From BradM at blackforestltd.com Tue Dec 3 15:05:31 2013 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 15:05:31 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Problems with Refreshing Access Report on Intranet References: , <5284422A.4807.E6BB3A0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Stuart, I followed your advice (11/13/2013) and established up a proper web server. I downloaded and installed WAMP (Windows - Apache - Microsoft SQL Server - PHP) on both a stand-alone PC (XP) and on a server (Windows Server 2003). With a small amount of work, I was able to put together a little PHP program that can read data from an Access Database. This program works nicely on both the stand-alone PC and on the Server. My next step is to make this PHP application available to about 10 people on our little Intranet. I have not been able to figure out how to make things on the Apache web server available to people on our internal network. I don't understand how to build the connection between the PCs on the network and the Apache web server which is running on one of our servers. I have checked out 4 books from our local library and I have looks at dozens of sites on the internet, but I have not been able to find the missing piece. I thought that perhaps you or someone here on AccessD could point me in the right direction. Thanks, Brad ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 9:23 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Problems with Refreshing Access Report on Intranet Your problem is the way the Intranet is set up. Are you using a prpoer web server, or are you just using URLs to a shared folder on your network. It looks like the latter. If you use a web server to serve the PDF, it will not be locked by a user viewing it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On 13 Nov 2013 at 19:39, Brad Marks wrote: > > >>> BradM at blackforestltd.com 13-11-13 20:25 >>> > All, > > We use Access 2007 to create a large number of reports from data that > is stored in a purchased package system. This works very nicely. > > Recently, we have built a new report that shows "production schedule > information". Our users really like this new report, the catch is > that it takes about 2-3 minutes to generate it. > > Because of this long generation time, I have set up a scheduled task > to run every 15 minutes to generate this new report. The output is > exported as a PDF file. One of the pages on our Intranet has a link > to this PDF file. This approach has worked nicely. > > Our users really like being able to obtain this report instantly via > the Intranet rather than waiting 2-3 minutes when they generate it via > the Access application. > > There is one problem, however. If any user is viewing the PDF file > when the "refresh job" is running, the refresh is not able to place > the new PDF file in the Intranet's folder. > > I am curious if anyone else has run into this problem and has ideas on > how to work around it. > > Thanks, > Brad > > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Dec 3 15:50:24 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2013 07:50:24 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Problems with Refreshing Access Report on Intranet In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <529E5220.12329.60060F34@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> The simplest way is just point their browser at the server using its IP address i.e. http://192.168.0.1 or whatever That is assuming that it is using the default Port 80, if you are using a different Port such as 8080, they you would point the browser at http://192.168.0.1:8080 -- Stuart On 3 Dec 2013 at 15:05, Brad Marks wrote: > Stuart, > > I followed your advice (11/13/2013) and established up a proper web > server. > > I downloaded and installed WAMP (Windows - Apache - Microsoft SQL > Server - PHP) on both a stand-alone PC (XP) and on a server (Windows > Server 2003). > > With a small amount of work, I was able to put together a little PHP > program that can read data from an Access Database. This program > works nicely on both the stand-alone PC and on the Server. > > My next step is to make this PHP application available to about 10 > people on our little Intranet. I have not been able to figure out how > to make things on the Apache web server available to people on our > internal network. > > I don't understand how to build the connection between the PCs on the > network and the Apache web server which is running on one of our > servers. > From BradM at blackforestltd.com Tue Dec 3 16:15:01 2013 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 16:15:01 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Problems with Refreshing Access Report on Intranet References: , <529E5220.12329.60060F34@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Stuart, Works Great!!! I owe you a beer. Thanks for the help. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:50 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Problems with Refreshing Access Report on Intranet The simplest way is just point their browser at the server using its IP address i.e. http://192.168.0.1 or whatever That is assuming that it is using the default Port 80, if you are using a different Port such as 8080, they you would point the browser at http://192.168.0.1:8080 -- Stuart On 3 Dec 2013 at 15:05, Brad Marks wrote: > Stuart, > > I followed your advice (11/13/2013) and established up a proper web > server. > > I downloaded and installed WAMP (Windows - Apache - Microsoft SQL > Server - PHP) on both a stand-alone PC (XP) and on a server (Windows > Server 2003). > > With a small amount of work, I was able to put together a little PHP > program that can read data from an Access Database. This program > works nicely on both the stand-alone PC and on the Server. > > My next step is to make this PHP application available to about 10 > people on our little Intranet. I have not been able to figure out how > to make things on the Apache web server available to people on our > internal network. > > I don't understand how to build the connection between the PCs on the > network and the Apache web server which is running on one of our > servers. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. Click here to report this message as spam. http://h0stname/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=534EF28AEB.7970D From gustav at cactus.dk Wed Dec 4 04:51:46 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 11:51:46 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] LightSwitch customization Message-ID: <007f01cef0de$d3c804b0$7b580e10$@cactus.dk> Hi all Those of you not considering using LightSwitch for LOB HTML5-apps (Line of Business Apps = those (small) apps you actually can make a living from) should think again. It appears that a lot of customization is possible - as shown in this example: http://lightswitchhelpwebsite.com/Blog/tabid/61/EntryId/3240/Fundamentals-of -Visual-Studio-LightSwitch-Screen-Template-Creation.aspx /gustav From paul.hartland at googlemail.com Wed Dec 4 05:55:32 2013 From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 11:55:32 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] LightSwitch customization In-Reply-To: <007f01cef0de$d3c804b0$7b580e10$@cactus.dk> References: <007f01cef0de$d3c804b0$7b580e10$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: Wish I could think of a nice small app that could bring in a little money, let alone make a living On 4 December 2013 10:51, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi all > > > > Those of you not considering using LightSwitch for LOB HTML5-apps (Line of > Business Apps = those (small) apps you actually can make a living from) > should think again. It appears that a lot of customization is possible - as > shown in this example: > > > > > http://lightswitchhelpwebsite.com/Blog/tabid/61/EntryId/3240/Fundamentals-of > -Visual-Studio-LightSwitch-Screen-Template-Creation.aspx > > > > /gustav > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com From gustav at cactus.dk Wed Dec 4 06:11:49 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 13:11:49 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] LightSwitch customization Message-ID: <00a401cef0ea$026dd910$07498b30$@cactus.dk> Hi Paul It's rather those small apps for a specific purpose at a client where you previously would whip together an Access app. These days, however, clients expect HTML apps with zero install to be launched on all sorts of devices, and where data can be pushed and pulled for many other purposes; LightSwitch as default relies on an SQL Server instance. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Paul Hartland Sendt: 4. december 2013 12:56 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] LightSwitch customization Wish I could think of a nice small app that could bring in a little money, let alone make a living On 4 December 2013 10:51, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi all > > Those of you not considering using LightSwitch for LOB HTML5-apps > (Line of Business Apps = those (small) apps you actually can make a > living from) should think again. It appears that a lot of > customization is possible - as shown in this example: > > http://lightswitchhelpwebsite.com/Blog/tabid/61/EntryId/3240/Fundamentals-of -Visual-Studio-LightSwitch-Screen-Template-Creation.aspx > > /gustav > > -- -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com From phpons at gmail.com Wed Dec 4 06:33:12 2013 From: phpons at gmail.com (Philippe Pons) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 13:33:12 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] How would you show an Excel window? Message-ID: Hi all, I need your help! I have an Access 2010 application that uses data stored in an Excel file. The Access app. opens the Excel file. The user will do some selections, and then I want he can click on a button to see the selections in the Excel worksheets. The Access app. can highlight the selection in Excel, but can't show the worksheet to the user. How would you do that? TIA, Philippe. From paul.hartland at googlemail.com Wed Dec 4 06:43:41 2013 From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 12:43:41 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] How would you show an Excel window? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Philippe, Would be useful to see the code your using, but I would imagine if your using Access to highlight selections in Excel you must have a data link of some sort to the Excel sheet, couldn't you just make the excel workbook visible in your code ? Paul On 4 December 2013 12:33, Philippe Pons wrote: > Hi all, > > I need your help! > I have an Access 2010 application that uses data stored in an Excel file. > The Access app. opens the Excel file. > The user will do some selections, and then I want he can click on a button > to see > the selections in the Excel worksheets. > The Access app. can highlight the selection in Excel, but can't show the > worksheet to the user. > How would you do that? > TIA, > Philippe. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com From phpons at gmail.com Wed Dec 4 07:07:50 2013 From: phpons at gmail.com (Philippe Pons) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 14:07:50 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] How would you show an Excel window? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Paul, Yes, the Excel library is referenced, and I have pointers to the Excel app as well as to the workbook and to the worksheet. But doing wkb.Activate or sh.Visible=True will not place the Excel window on top of the other. In Excel, you can write Application.Windows("windowName").Activate but I see nothing similar in Access. Any idea? Thank's, Philippe 2013/12/4 Paul Hartland > Philippe, > > Would be useful to see the code your using, but I would imagine if your > using Access to highlight selections in Excel you must have a data link of > some sort to the Excel sheet, couldn't you just make the excel workbook > visible in your code ? > > Paul > > > On 4 December 2013 12:33, Philippe Pons wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > I need your help! > > I have an Access 2010 application that uses data stored in an Excel file. > > The Access app. opens the Excel file. > > The user will do some selections, and then I want he can click on a > button > > to see > > the selections in the Excel worksheets. > > The Access app. can highlight the selection in Excel, but can't show the > > worksheet to the user. > > How would you do that? > > TIA, > > Philippe. > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Paul Hartland > paul.hartland at googlemail.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at gmail.com Wed Dec 4 07:13:34 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2013 08:13:34 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] LightSwitch customization In-Reply-To: <007f01cef0de$d3c804b0$7b580e10$@cactus.dk> References: <007f01cef0de$d3c804b0$7b580e10$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <529F2A7E.3040304@gmail.com> Did they ever fix the "one record at a time" issue that caused massive overhead? John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 12/4/2013 5:51 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi all > > > > Those of you not considering using LightSwitch for LOB HTML5-apps (Line of > Business Apps = those (small) apps you actually can make a living from) > should think again. It appears that a lot of customization is possible - as > shown in this example: > > > > http://lightswitchhelpwebsite.com/Blog/tabid/61/EntryId/3240/Fundamentals-of > -Visual-Studio-LightSwitch-Screen-Template-Creation.aspx > > > > /gustav > From paul.hartland at googlemail.com Wed Dec 4 07:31:33 2013 From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 13:31:33 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] How would you show an Excel window? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ah I had a similar problem a couple of years back, can't remember the exact code I used to bring the window to the front but have found this link which may point you in the right direction http://www.everythingaccess.com/tutorials.asp?ID=Bring-an-external-application-window-to-the-foreground Paul On 4 December 2013 13:07, Philippe Pons wrote: > Hi Paul, > > Yes, the Excel library is referenced, and I have pointers to the Excel app > as well as to the workbook and to the worksheet. > But doing wkb.Activate or sh.Visible=True will not place the Excel window > on top of the other. > In Excel, you can write Application.Windows("windowName").Activate > but I see nothing similar in Access. > Any idea? > Thank's, > Philippe > > > 2013/12/4 Paul Hartland > > > Philippe, > > > > Would be useful to see the code your using, but I would imagine if your > > using Access to highlight selections in Excel you must have a data link > of > > some sort to the Excel sheet, couldn't you just make the excel workbook > > visible in your code ? > > > > Paul > > > > > > On 4 December 2013 12:33, Philippe Pons wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I need your help! > > > I have an Access 2010 application that uses data stored in an Excel > file. > > > The Access app. opens the Excel file. > > > The user will do some selections, and then I want he can click on a > > button > > > to see > > > the selections in the Excel worksheets. > > > The Access app. can highlight the selection in Excel, but can't show > the > > > worksheet to the user. > > > How would you do that? > > > TIA, > > > Philippe. > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Paul Hartland > > paul.hartland at googlemail.com > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Dec 4 07:33:22 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 05:33:22 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] How would you show an Excel window? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9DFE043676974CFD9859C392E94EFDE8@HAL9007> Philippe: I use ' Make the spreadsheet visible objXLApp.Visible = True To do that. Where I create objXLAPP as a new workbook: ' Create Excel Spreadsheet Set objXLApp = New Excel.Application objXLApp.Workbooks.Add Set objXLWS = objXLApp.ActiveSheet Having DIMmmed: ' Object variables for Automation stuff Dim objXLApp As Excel.Application Dim objXLBook As Excel.Workbook Dim objXLWS As Excel.Worksheet HTH Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Philippe Pons Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 4:33 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] How would you show an Excel window? Hi all, I need your help! I have an Access 2010 application that uses data stored in an Excel file. The Access app. opens the Excel file. The user will do some selections, and then I want he can click on a button to see the selections in the Excel worksheets. The Access app. can highlight the selection in Excel, but can't show the worksheet to the user. How would you do that? TIA, Philippe. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Wed Dec 4 07:42:38 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 14:42:38 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] LightSwitch customization Message-ID: <00b401cef0f6$b2add1c0$18097540$@cactus.dk> Hi John I don't know, I haven't used the 2013 edition yet. However, there are ways to work around this, I guess that would solve it for each case. Examples are here: http://lightswitchhelpwebsite.com/Blog/tabid/61/EntryId/2226/Creating-a-WCF- RIA-Service-for-Visual-Studio-2013.aspx http://lightswitchhelpwebsite.com/Blog/tabid/61/EntryId/2227/LightSwitch-Sur vey-Handling-Complex-Business-Logic-Using-WCF-RIA-Services.aspx /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John W Colby Sendt: 4. december 2013 14:14 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] LightSwitch customization Did they ever fix the "one record at a time" issue that caused massive overhead? John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 12/4/2013 5:51 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi all > > Those of you not considering using LightSwitch for LOB HTML5-apps > (Line of Business Apps = those (small) apps you actually can make a > living from) should think again. It appears that a lot of > customization is possible - as shown in this example: > > http://lightswitchhelpwebsite.com/Blog/tabid/61/EntryId/3240/Fundamentals-of -Visual-Studio-LightSwitch-Screen-Template-Creation.aspx > > /gustav From phpons at gmail.com Wed Dec 4 08:22:23 2013 From: phpons at gmail.com (Philippe Pons) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 15:22:23 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] How would you show an Excel window? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Paul, Thanks a lot! It works like a charm! Philippe 2013/12/4 Paul Hartland > ah I had a similar problem a couple of years back, can't remember the exact > code I used to bring the window to the front but have found this link which > may point you in the right direction > > http://www.everythingaccess.com/tutorials.asp?ID=Bring-an-external-application-window-to-the-foreground > > Paul > > > On 4 December 2013 13:07, Philippe Pons wrote: > > > Hi Paul, > > > > Yes, the Excel library is referenced, and I have pointers to the Excel > app > > as well as to the workbook and to the worksheet. > > But doing wkb.Activate or sh.Visible=True will not place the Excel window > > on top of the other. > > In Excel, you can write Application.Windows("windowName").Activate > > but I see nothing similar in Access. > > Any idea? > > Thank's, > > Philippe > > > > > > 2013/12/4 Paul Hartland > > > > > Philippe, > > > > > > Would be useful to see the code your using, but I would imagine if your > > > using Access to highlight selections in Excel you must have a data link > > of > > > some sort to the Excel sheet, couldn't you just make the excel workbook > > > visible in your code ? > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > On 4 December 2013 12:33, Philippe Pons wrote: > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > I need your help! > > > > I have an Access 2010 application that uses data stored in an Excel > > file. > > > > The Access app. opens the Excel file. > > > > The user will do some selections, and then I want he can click on a > > > button > > > > to see > > > > the selections in the Excel worksheets. > > > > The Access app. can highlight the selection in Excel, but can't show > > the > > > > worksheet to the user. > > > > How would you do that? > > > > TIA, > > > > Philippe. > > > > -- > > > > AccessD mailing list > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Paul Hartland > > > paul.hartland at googlemail.com > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Paul Hartland > paul.hartland at googlemail.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Wed Dec 4 13:27:44 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2013 23:27:44 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?LightSwitch_customization?= In-Reply-To: <007f01cef0de$d3c804b0$7b580e10$@cactus.dk> References: <007f01cef0de$d3c804b0$7b580e10$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <1386185264.315195265@f94.i.mail.ru> Hi Gustav -- Thank you fro the link. Yes, LightSwitch looks interesting in this light :) (No pun intended). BTW, LightSwitch Extensibility Toolkit for Visual Studio 2013 ?uses VS2013. Have you got VS2013 installed "on top" of your VS2012 installation? Thank you. -- Shamil Wednesday, December 4, 2013 11:51 AM +01:00 from "Gustav Brock" : >Hi all > >? > >Those of you not considering using LightSwitch for LOB HTML5-apps (Line of >Business Apps = those (small) apps you actually can make a living from) >should think again. It appears that a lot of customization is possible - as >shown in this example: > >? > >http://lightswitchhelpwebsite.com/Blog/tabid/61/EntryId/3240/Fundamentals-of >-Visual-Studio-LightSwitch-Screen-Template-Creation.aspx > >? > >/gustav > >-- >AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- ???????????? ?????? From mcp2004 at mail.ru Wed Dec 4 14:36:16 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2013 00:36:16 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?LightSwitch_customization?= In-Reply-To: <00b401cef0f6$b2add1c0$18097540$@cactus.dk> References: <00b401cef0f6$b2add1c0$18097540$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <1386189376.44303658@f76.i.mail.ru> Hi Gustav -- I have just checked this sample LightSwitch app: http://lightswitchhelpwebsite.com/Blog/tabid/61/EntryId/176/An-End-To-End-Visual-Studio-LightSwitch-HTML5-Application.aspx It looks rather ugly I must admit - popup-on-popup-on-popup to add a product item to and order etc. Have you tried it? -- Shamil Wednesday, December 4, 2013 2:42 PM +01:00 from "Gustav Brock" : >Hi John > >I don't know, I haven't used the 2013 edition yet. However, there are ways >to work around this, I guess that would solve it for each case. >Examples are here: > >http://lightswitchhelpwebsite.com/Blog/tabid/61/EntryId/2226/Creating-a-WCF- >RIA-Service-for-Visual-Studio-2013.aspx >http://lightswitchhelpwebsite.com/Blog/tabid/61/EntryId/2227/LightSwitch-Sur >vey-Handling-Complex-Business-Logic-Using-WCF-RIA-Services.aspx > >/gustav > > >-----Oprindelig meddelelse----- >Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John W Colby >Sendt: 4. december 2013 14:14 >Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >Emne: Re: [AccessD] LightSwitch customization > >Did they ever fix the "one record at a time" issue that caused massive >overhead? > >John W. Colby > >Reality is what refuses to go away >when you do not believe in it > >On 12/4/2013 5:51 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: >> Hi all >> >> Those of you not considering using LightSwitch for LOB HTML5-apps >> (Line of Business Apps = those (small) apps you actually can make a >> living from) should think again. It appears that a lot of >> customization is possible - as shown in this example: >> >> >http://lightswitchhelpwebsite.com/Blog/tabid/61/EntryId/3240/Fundamentals-of >-Visual-Studio-LightSwitch-Screen-Template-Creation.aspx >> >> /gustav > > From gustav at cactus.dk Wed Dec 4 14:39:13 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2013 21:39:13 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] LightSwitch customization Message-ID: Hi Shamil No, but I plan to. I'm about installing my new ThinkStation at home, this time with Windows 8.1. In fact, I would install VS2013 first, then VS2012 (to maintain old projects). Are you aware of some issues? /gustav >>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 04-12-13 20:27 >>> Hi Gustav -- Thank you fro the link. Yes, LightSwitch looks interesting in this light :) (No pun intended). BTW, LightSwitch Extensibility Toolkit for Visual Studio 2013 *uses VS2013. Have you got VS2013 installed "on top" of your VS2012 installation? Thank you. -- Shamil Wednesday, December 4, 2013 11:51 AM +01:00 from "Gustav Brock" : >Hi all > >* > >Those of you not considering using LightSwitch for LOB HTML5-apps (Line of >Business Apps = those (small) apps you actually can make a living from) >should think again. It appears that a lot of customization is possible - as >shown in this example: > >* > >http://lightswitchhelpwebsite.com/Blog/tabid/61/EntryId/3240/Fundamentals-of-Visual-Studio-LightSwitch-Screen-Template-Creation.aspx > >* > >/gustav From gustav at cactus.dk Wed Dec 4 14:48:48 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2013 21:48:48 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] LightSwitch customization Message-ID: Hi Shamil No, not that app. But I played with a live demo of a sample Project app which you can buy with source code for $10 and was not amused. As with any other web app, I think you have to plan very carefully for screen navigation and remember that the user may never "get lost". It's easier said than done, though. /gustav >>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 04-12-13 21:36 >>> Hi Gustav -- I have just checked this sample LightSwitch app: http://lightswitchhelpwebsite.com/Blog/tabid/61/EntryId/176/An-End-To-End-Visual-Studio-LightSwitch-HTML5-Application.aspx It looks rather ugly I must admit - popup-on-popup-on-popup to add a product item to and order etc. Have you tried it? -- Shamil Wednesday, December 4, 2013 2:42 PM +01:00 from "Gustav Brock" : >Hi John > >I don't know, I haven't used the 2013 edition yet. However, there are ways >to work around this, I guess that would solve it for each case. >Examples are here: > >http://lightswitchhelpwebsite.com/Blog/tabid/61/EntryId/2226/Creating-a-WCF- >RIA-Service-for-Visual-Studio-2013.aspx >http://lightswitchhelpwebsite.com/Blog/tabid/61/EntryId/2227/LightSwitch-Sur >vey-Handling-Complex-Business-Logic-Using-WCF-RIA-Services.aspx > >/gustav > > >-----Oprindelig meddelelse----- >Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John W Colby >Sendt: 4. december 2013 14:14 >Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >Emne: Re: [AccessD] LightSwitch customization > >Did they ever fix the "one record at a time" issue that caused massive overhead? > >John W. Colby From mcp2004 at mail.ru Wed Dec 4 14:55:27 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2013 00:55:27 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?LightSwitch_customization?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1386190527.833101847@f394.i.mail.ru> Hi Gustav -- No, I'm not aware of any issues of setting VS2013 on top of VS2012. Actually I wanted to try to setup Win8.1 on top of Win8 and then VS2013 on top of VS2012. Here I have just found on the web site you referred ?a real stuff on using LightSwitch, AngularJS, WebAPI etc.: http://lightswitchhelpwebsite.com/Blog/tabid/61/EntryId/2230/Creating-an-AngularJS-CRUD-Application-Using-Visual-Studio-LightSwitch.aspx Have you seen it? In the bottom of the above article there are very useful additional links. As far as I understand/guess (please correct me if I'm wrong) LightSwitch uses (Razor) templating engine ?and ?"T4 - Best Kept Visual Studio Secret" ( http://www.hanselman.com/blog/T4TextTemplateTransformationToolkitCodeGenerationBestKeptVisualStudioSecret.aspx ) so in general templates based on AngularJS can be (easily) developed. Hope somebody will do that soon :) Thank you. -- Shamil Wednesday, December 4, 2013 9:39 PM +01:00 from "Gustav Brock" : >Hi Shamil > >No, but I plan to. I'm about installing my new ThinkStation at home, this time with Windows 8.1. In fact, I would install VS2013 first, then VS2012 (to maintain old projects). > >Are you aware of some issues? > >/gustav > >>>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 04-12-13 20:27 >>> >?Hi Gustav -- > >Thank you fro the link. Yes, LightSwitch looks interesting in this light :) (No pun intended). > >BTW, LightSwitch Extensibility Toolkit for Visual Studio 2013 *uses VS2013. Have you got VS2013 installed "on top" of your VS2012 installation? > >Thank you. > >-- Shamil > > >Wednesday, December 4, 2013 11:51 AM +01:00 from "Gustav Brock" < gustav at cactus.dk >: >>Hi all >> >>* >> >>Those of you not considering using LightSwitch for LOB HTML5-apps (Line of >>Business Apps = those (small) apps you actually can make a living from) >>should think again. It appears that a lot of customization is possible - as >>shown in this example: >> >>* >> >> http://lightswitchhelpwebsite.com/Blog/tabid/61/EntryId/3240/Fundamentals-of-Visual-Studio-LightSwitch-Screen-Template-Creation.aspx >> >>* >> >>/gustav > From gustav at cactus.dk Wed Dec 4 15:16:53 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2013 22:16:53 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] LightSwitch customization Message-ID: Hi Shamil OK. It should work. I did a clean install of Win 8.1 as the machine was supplied with a German image. I could have lived with that but as I have a localized Win 8.1. By the way, such an install on an SSD and with a Xeon processor is very fast, about 10 minuttes. Thanks for the link on T4. I saw it mentioned it some places but had no idea what it was about. Yet another thing to learn. /gustav >>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 04-12-13 21:55 >>> Hi Gustav -- No, I'm not aware of any issues of setting VS2013 on top of VS2012. Actually I wanted to try to setup Win8.1 on top of Win8 and then VS2013 on top of VS2012. Here I have just found on the web site you referred *a real stuff on using LightSwitch, AngularJS, WebAPI etc.: http://lightswitchhelpwebsite.com/Blog/tabid/61/EntryId/2230/Creating-an-AngularJS-CRUD-Application-Using-Visual-Studio-LightSwitch.aspx Have you seen it? In the bottom of the above article there are very useful additional links. As far as I understand/guess (please correct me if I'm wrong) LightSwitch uses (Razor) templating engine *and *"T4 - Best Kept Visual Studio Secret" ( http://www.hanselman.com/blog/T4TextTemplateTransformationToolkitCodeGenerationBestKeptVisualStudioSecret.aspx ) so in general templates based on AngularJS can be (easily) developed. Hope somebody will do that soon :) Thank you. -- Shamil Wednesday, December 4, 2013 9:39 PM +01:00 from "Gustav Brock" : >Hi Shamil > >No, but I plan to. I'm about installing my new ThinkStation at home, this time with Windows 8.1. In fact, I would install VS2013 first, then VS2012 (to maintain old projects). > >Are you aware of some issues? > >/gustav > >>>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 04-12-13 20:27 >>> >*Hi Gustav -- > >Thank you fro the link. Yes, LightSwitch looks interesting in this light :) (No pun intended). > >BTW, LightSwitch Extensibility Toolkit for Visual Studio 2013 *uses VS2013. Have you got VS2013 installed "on top" of your VS2012 installation? > >Thank you. > >-- Shamil > > >Wednesday, December 4, 2013 11:51 AM +01:00 from "Gustav Brock" < gustav at cactus.dk >: >>Hi all >> >>* >> >>Those of you not considering using LightSwitch for LOB HTML5-apps (Line of >>Business Apps = those (small) apps you actually can make a living from) >>should think again. It appears that a lot of customization is possible - as >>shown in this example: >> >>* >> >> http://lightswitchhelpwebsite.com/Blog/tabid/61/EntryId/3240/Fundamentals-of-Visual-Studio-LightSwitch-Screen-Template-Creation.aspx >> >>* >> >>/gustav From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Dec 5 14:54:26 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 13:54:26 -0700 (MST) Subject: [AccessD] LightSwitch customization In-Reply-To: <007f01cef0de$d3c804b0$7b580e10$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <1145204182.83348562.1386276866005.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Gustav: That looks very interesting. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2013 2:51:46 AM Subject: [AccessD] LightSwitch customization Hi all Those of you not considering using LightSwitch for LOB HTML5-apps (Line of Business Apps = those (small) apps you actually can make a living from) should think again. It appears that a lot of customization is possible - as shown in this example: http://lightswitchhelpwebsite.com/Blog/tabid/61/EntryId/3240/Fundamentals-of -Visual-Studio-LightSwitch-Screen-Template-Creation.aspx /gustav -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Dec 5 14:58:38 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 13:58:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: [AccessD] LightSwitch customization In-Reply-To: <00b401cef0f6$b2add1c0$18097540$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <97022215.83353048.1386277118574.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Gustav: This is definitely worth further investigation. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2013 5:42:38 AM Subject: Re: [AccessD] LightSwitch customization Hi John I don't know, I haven't used the 2013 edition yet. However, there are ways to work around this, I guess that would solve it for each case. Examples are here: http://lightswitchhelpwebsite.com/Blog/tabid/61/EntryId/2226/Creating-a-WCF- RIA-Service-for-Visual-Studio-2013.aspx http://lightswitchhelpwebsite.com/Blog/tabid/61/EntryId/2227/LightSwitch-Sur vey-Handling-Complex-Business-Logic-Using-WCF-RIA-Services.aspx /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John W Colby Sendt: 4. december 2013 14:14 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] LightSwitch customization Did they ever fix the "one record at a time" issue that caused massive overhead? John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 12/4/2013 5:51 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi all > > Those of you not considering using LightSwitch for LOB HTML5-apps > (Line of Business Apps = those (small) apps you actually can make a > living from) should think again. It appears that a lot of > customization is possible - as shown in this example: > > http://lightswitchhelpwebsite.com/Blog/tabid/61/EntryId/3240/Fundamentals-of -Visual-Studio-LightSwitch-Screen-Template-Creation.aspx > > /gustav -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Thu Dec 5 15:05:36 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 13:05:36 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 + Navigation Forms Message-ID: Have any of you guys played with these? The contract I'm on requires that the product be maintainable by non-developers, engineers who have been to Access classes but aren't fluent in it and don't tweak it on a daily basis. In the past I usually used tab controls and a fairly large amount of code to design the user interface, but that isn't an approach that they would be able to sustain. One problem with Navigation Controls in Access is that there is a wizard that builds a Navigation Form but I don't see any way to use the controls on another form, and the wizard totally ignores Normal form settings and even the Windows Themes setting in options. I built code to set the colors on the Open event of the Navigation Form but you have to use RGB values to set them, and I don't see an easy way to make that modifiable for when I'm gone. Any suggestions? One thing I learned accidentally is that if you set the display size to 125%, you see some odd effects in the navigation control and nav buttons. Those disappear when you fall back to 100%, so apparently the control is for people with normal eyesight! Charlotte From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Thu Dec 5 16:56:19 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 14:56:19 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Grrr VBA is fighting me! Message-ID: I'm not doing anything really exotic, just trying to set the form header backcolor to a specific color if the section exists. Here's some code I tried that compiles. Intellisense recognizes the constants, but when the statement runs, I get an error 2462 message, "The Second number you entered is invalid." Did someone change the section numbers between versions without documenting it anywhere? The line that actually sets the backcolor works if there is a form header, but I can't figure out a way to test for whether the form has a header! If it doesn't and I try to set the color, I get a 2465 error, "Application-defined or Object-defined error." I'm getting headache ... If frm.Section(acHeader).Visible = True Then frm.FormHeader.BackColor = 12566463 '#BFBFBF - darker gray End If Charlotte From df.waters at comcast.net Thu Dec 5 17:26:59 2013 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 17:26:59 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Grrr VBA is fighting me! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006c01cef211$7eea8e70$7cbfab50$@comcast.net> Hi Charlotte, Can you check to see if the header height is > 0? Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 4:56 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Grrr VBA is fighting me! I'm not doing anything really exotic, just trying to set the form header backcolor to a specific color if the section exists. Here's some code I tried that compiles. Intellisense recognizes the constants, but when the statement runs, I get an error 2462 message, "The Second number you entered is invalid." Did someone change the section numbers between versions without documenting it anywhere? The line that actually sets the backcolor works if there is a form header, but I can't figure out a way to test for whether the form has a header! If it doesn't and I try to set the color, I get a 2465 error, "Application-defined or Object-defined error." I'm getting headache ... If frm.Section(acHeader).Visible = True Then frm.FormHeader.BackColor = 12566463 '#BFBFBF - darker gray End If Charlotte -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Thu Dec 5 17:47:39 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 15:47:39 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Grrr VBA is fighting me! In-Reply-To: <006c01cef211$7eea8e70$7cbfab50$@comcast.net> References: <006c01cef211$7eea8e70$7cbfab50$@comcast.net> Message-ID: That's what I finally wound up doing, but wouldn't you expect there to be a more direct route by this time? A height of zero doesn't actually mean the section doesn't exist, just that it's been minimized. Charlotte On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Dan Waters wrote: > Hi Charlotte, > > Can you check to see if the header height is > 0? > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 4:56 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Grrr VBA is fighting me! > > I'm not doing anything really exotic, just trying to set the form header > backcolor to a specific color if the section exists. Here's some code I > tried that compiles. Intellisense recognizes the constants, but when the > statement runs, I get an error 2462 message, "The Second number you entered > is invalid." Did someone change the section numbers between versions > without documenting it anywhere? The line that actually sets the backcolor > works if there is a form header, but I can't figure out a way to test for > whether the form has a header! If it doesn't and I try to set the color, I > get a 2465 error, "Application-defined or Object-defined error." I'm > getting headache ... > > If frm.Section(acHeader).Visible = True Then > frm.FormHeader.BackColor = 12566463 '#BFBFBF - darker gray > End If > > Charlotte > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From BradM at blackforestltd.com Thu Dec 5 19:17:20 2013 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 19:17:20 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Need to Suppress Main Report Line if the related Sub-Report has no Data References: <006c01cef211$7eea8e70$7cbfab50$@comcast.net> Message-ID: All, I have a report that has one sub-report. This sub-report is tied to a field in the detail lines of the main report. Recently, our users requested that if there is no data in the sub-report they would like to see the related line on the main report suppressed. I have never tried to do this before. I have set up a little test Access application and tried a few ideas, but have not found a good solution. Is there a way to accomplish this with Access 2007? Thanks, Brad From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Thu Dec 5 20:06:54 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 18:06:54 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Need to Suppress Main Report Line if the related Sub-Report has no Data In-Reply-To: References: <006c01cef211$7eea8e70$7cbfab50$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Is the related data the only thing that prints on that line? Or is it merely a field/column in a row of other values? Charlotte On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Brad Marks wrote: > All, > > I have a report that has one sub-report. This sub-report is tied to a > field in the detail lines of the main report. > > Recently, our users requested that if there is no data in the sub-report > they would like to see the related line on the main report suppressed. > > I have never tried to do this before. I have set up a little test Access > application and tried a few ideas, but have not found a good solution. > > Is there a way to accomplish this with Access 2007? > > Thanks, > Brad > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From BradM at blackforestltd.com Thu Dec 5 20:28:24 2013 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 20:28:24 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Need to Suppress Main Report Line if the related Sub-Report has no Data References: <006c01cef211$7eea8e70$7cbfab50$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Charlotte, The related data is just one field in a row of data that is shown on the Main report's detail lines. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Charlotte Foust Sent: Thu 12/5/2013 8:06 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need to Suppress Main Report Line if the related Sub-Report has no Data Is the related data the only thing that prints on that line? Or is it merely a field/column in a row of other values? Charlotte On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Brad Marks wrote: > All, > > I have a report that has one sub-report. This sub-report is tied to a > field in the detail lines of the main report. > > Recently, our users requested that if there is no data in the sub-report > they would like to see the related line on the main report suppressed. > > I have never tried to do this before. I have set up a little test Access > application and tried a few ideas, but have not found a good solution. > > Is there a way to accomplish this with Access 2007? > > Thanks, > Brad > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. Click here to report this message as spam. http://h0stname/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=F3F9E28AEB.60BFC From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Dec 5 22:26:39 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 20:26:39 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Need to Suppress Main Report Line if the relatedSub-Report has no Data In-Reply-To: References: <006c01cef211$7eea8e70$7cbfab50$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <5957ED15F9754F108684B9077B1496F7@HAL9007> I would use the format event of the detail section to get the record count of the sub report and, if it's zero then Me.MoveLayout = False Me.NextRecord = True Me.PrintSection = False HTH Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 5:17 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Need to Suppress Main Report Line if the relatedSub-Report has no Data All, I have a report that has one sub-report. This sub-report is tied to a field in the detail lines of the main report. Recently, our users requested that if there is no data in the sub-report they would like to see the related line on the main report suppressed. I have never tried to do this before. I have set up a little test Access application and tried a few ideas, but have not found a good solution. Is there a way to accomplish this with Access 2007? Thanks, Brad From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Dec 6 01:45:22 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 08:45:22 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 + Navigation Forms Message-ID: <004601cef257$1e8a4de0$5b9ee9a0$@cactus.dk> Hi Charlotte At the contract I am working on we gave up on the Navigation form for reasons though not identical then similar, and decided to bite the bullet and use the ribbon. It allows you to move many of the buttons you otherwise have sitting here and there for various tasks to a well-known location with strict design and behaviour. That said, I think it is close to impossible to create a user-maintainable application. After some years it will end as an advanced Excel workbook where no one in the end knows why and how, nor by who it was created, and everything is a mess. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Charlotte Foust Sendt: 5. december 2013 22:06 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: [AccessD] Access 2010 + Navigation Forms Have any of you guys played with these? The contract I'm on requires that the product be maintainable by non-developers, engineers who have been to Access classes but aren't fluent in it and don't tweak it on a daily basis. In the past I usually used tab controls and a fairly large amount of code to design the user interface, but that isn't an approach that they would be able to sustain. One problem with Navigation Controls in Access is that there is a wizard that builds a Navigation Form but I don't see any way to use the controls on another form, and the wizard totally ignores Normal form settings and even the Windows Themes setting in options. I built code to set the colors on the Open event of the Navigation Form but you have to use RGB values to set them, and I don't see an easy way to make that modifiable for when I'm gone. Any suggestions? One thing I learned accidentally is that if you set the display size to 125%, you see some odd effects in the navigation control and nav buttons. Those disappear when you fall back to 100%, so apparently the control is for people with normal eyesight! Charlotte From anita at ddisolutions.com.au Fri Dec 6 02:55:56 2013 From: anita at ddisolutions.com.au (Anita Smith) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 08:55:56 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 + Navigation Forms In-Reply-To: <004601cef257$1e8a4de0$5b9ee9a0$@cactus.dk> References: <004601cef257$1e8a4de0$5b9ee9a0$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <0B4AA61FDEF597449F7D28C41E786D9654C9A5@DDI-DC1.DDI.local> Oh but Gustav, you are so upbeat It's hard for me to curb my enthusiasm ;-) " After some years it will end as an advanced Excel workbook where no one in the end knows why and how, nor by who it was created, and everything is a mess." Anita Smith Hi Charlotte At the contract I am working on we gave up on the Navigation form for reasons though not identical then similar, and decided to bite the bullet and use the ribbon. It allows you to move many of the buttons you otherwise have sitting here and there for various tasks to a well-known location with strict design and behaviour. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Charlotte Foust Sendt: 5. december 2013 22:06 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: [AccessD] Access 2010 + Navigation Forms Have any of you guys played with these? The contract I'm on requires that the product be maintainable by non-developers, engineers who have been to Access classes but aren't fluent in it and don't tweak it on a daily basis. In the past I usually used tab controls and a fairly large amount of code to design the user interface, but that isn't an approach that they would be able to sustain. One problem with Navigation Controls in Access is that there is a wizard that builds a Navigation Form but I don't see any way to use the controls on another form, and the wizard totally ignores Normal form settings and even the Windows Themes setting in options. I built code to set the colors on the Open event of the Navigation Form but you have to use RGB values to set them, and I don't see an easy way to make that modifiable for when I'm gone. Any suggestions? One thing I learned accidentally is that if you set the display size to 125%, you see some odd effects in the navigation control and nav buttons. Those disappear when you fall back to 100%, so apparently the control is for people with normal eyesight! Charlotte From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Dec 6 05:22:14 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 12:22:14 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 + Navigation Forms Message-ID: <00d101cef275$69e8c140$3dba43c0$@cactus.dk> Hi Anita Maybe I've seen too much! The difference could be, that users in general believe they can handle Excel while it is opposite for Access. So maybe a user maintained Access application will receive a little more respect than an Excel workbook. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Anita Smith Sendt: 6. december 2013 09:56 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 + Navigation Forms Oh but Gustav, you are so upbeat It's hard for me to curb my enthusiasm ;-) " After some years it will end as an advanced Excel workbook where no one in the end knows why and how, nor by who it was created, and everything is a mess." Anita Smith Hi Charlotte At the contract I am working on we gave up on the Navigation form for reasons though not identical then similar, and decided to bite the bullet and use the ribbon. It allows you to move many of the buttons you otherwise have sitting here and there for various tasks to a well-known location with strict design and behaviour. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Charlotte Foust Sendt: 5. december 2013 22:06 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: [AccessD] Access 2010 + Navigation Forms Have any of you guys played with these? The contract I'm on requires that the product be maintainable by non-developers, engineers who have been to Access classes but aren't fluent in it and don't tweak it on a daily basis. In the past I usually used tab controls and a fairly large amount of code to design the user interface, but that isn't an approach that they would be able to sustain. One problem with Navigation Controls in Access is that there is a wizard that builds a Navigation Form but I don't see any way to use the controls on another form, and the wizard totally ignores Normal form settings and even the Windows Themes setting in options. I built code to set the colors on the Open event of the Navigation Form but you have to use RGB values to set them, and I don't see an easy way to make that modifiable for when I'm gone. Any suggestions? One thing I learned accidentally is that if you set the display size to 125%, you see some odd effects in the navigation control and nav buttons. Those disappear when you fall back to 100%, so apparently the control is for people with normal eyesight! Charlotte From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Fri Dec 6 15:33:59 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 13:33:59 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Why would one title bar be a different color? Message-ID: I'm pulling my hair on this one. In another database, I built a form that picked up a dark gray title bar. I'm using a dark gray Office Theme, so I wasn't too surprised. I imported that form into another database using the dark gray Office theme where the forms have white title bars. The imported form shows a dark gray title bar. Both of the database had the Use Windows-Themed controls turned on when the forms were created. I didn't turn it off until I tried to troubleshoot the difference, and it didn't have any effect one way or the other. All new forms I create in the existing database come up with white title bars. Has anyone ever see this in Access 2010 or 2013? I will rebuild the form (I will anyhow, it's just a menu), but I'm concerned because I have to insulate this app against surprises once I hand it over. If something will cause a persistent design difference between forms, I need to prepare for that. Charlotte From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Fri Dec 6 15:41:35 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 13:41:35 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 + Navigation Forms In-Reply-To: <00d101cef275$69e8c140$3dba43c0$@cactus.dk> References: <00d101cef275$69e8c140$3dba43c0$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: Gustav, It may turn into a monster, but admin maintenance is the entire basis for the contract. I've managed to get my arms around most of the peculiarities and wrote some code to make sure the nav forms and buttons are a consistent color no matter what office theme they're designed under. They're not going to be writing a bunch of code, but they will want to add tabs to the nav forms. Not everyone, mind you, just a handful of engineers who will have as extensive a knowledge transfer as possible before I walk out the door. As for ribbons, they would be even more difficult for non-developers to maintain and modify. This project is designed from the start to have a limited number of super users tweaking it on an ongoing basis. My job is to use tools that they can easily (well, relatively easy anyhow) extend. This is not my baby, I'm just its surrogate mom. Charlotte On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 3:22 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Anita > > Maybe I've seen too much! > > The difference could be, that users in general believe they can handle > Excel > while it is opposite for Access. So maybe a user maintained Access > application will receive a little more respect than an Excel workbook. > > /gustav > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Anita Smith > Sendt: 6. december 2013 09:56 > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 + Navigation Forms > > Oh but Gustav, you are so upbeat It's hard for me to curb my enthusiasm > ;-) > > > " After some years it will end as an advanced Excel workbook where no one > in > the end knows why and how, nor by who it was created, and everything is a > mess." > > > > Anita Smith > > > Hi Charlotte > > At the contract I am working on we gave up on the Navigation form for > reasons though not identical then similar, and decided to bite the bullet > and use the ribbon. It allows you to move many of the buttons you otherwise > have sitting here and there for various tasks to a well-known location with > strict design and behaviour. > > > /gustav > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Charlotte Foust > Sendt: 5. december 2013 22:06 > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Emne: [AccessD] Access 2010 + Navigation Forms > > Have any of you guys played with these? The contract I'm on requires that > the product be maintainable by non-developers, engineers who have been to > Access classes but aren't fluent in it and don't tweak it on a daily basis. > In the past I usually used tab controls and a fairly large amount of code > to design the user interface, but that isn't an approach that they would be > able to sustain. One problem with Navigation Controls in Access is that > there is a wizard that builds a Navigation Form but I don't see any way to > use the controls on another form, and the wizard totally ignores Normal > form > settings and even the Windows Themes setting in options. I built code to > set the colors on the Open event of the Navigation Form but you have to use > RGB values to set them, and I don't see an easy way to make that modifiable > for when I'm gone. > > Any suggestions? One thing I learned accidentally is that if you set the > display size to 125%, you see some odd effects in the navigation control > and > nav buttons. Those disappear when you fall back to 100%, so apparently the > control is for people with normal eyesight! > > Charlotte > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From anita at ddisolutions.com.au Fri Dec 6 16:38:58 2013 From: anita at ddisolutions.com.au (Anita Smith) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 22:38:58 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 + Navigation Forms In-Reply-To: <00d101cef275$69e8c140$3dba43c0$@cactus.dk> References: <00d101cef275$69e8c140$3dba43c0$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <0B4AA61FDEF597449F7D28C41E786D9654CA99@DDI-DC1.DDI.local> Gustav, I know all too well - In fact I'm looking at converting an Excel app to Access at the moment, it's all over the place and I'm not even sure I want to take it on. I might live off porridge and fresh air instead of taking on that job. Anita Smith DDi Solutions We Build Software! Custom Software, Websites & Databases. p: + 61 02606 72101 m: +61 040202 2462 | w: www.ddisolutions.com.au | e: anita at ddisolutions.com.au This Email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorised review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply Email and destroy all copies as well as the original message. All views expressed in this Email are those of the sender, except where specifically stated otherwise, and do not necessarily reflect the views of DDi Solutions. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, 6 December 2013 10:22 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 + Navigation Forms Hi Anita Maybe I've seen too much! The difference could be, that users in general believe they can handle Excel while it is opposite for Access. So maybe a user maintained Access application will receive a little more respect than an Excel workbook. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Anita Smith Sendt: 6. december 2013 09:56 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 + Navigation Forms Oh but Gustav, you are so upbeat It's hard for me to curb my enthusiasm ;-) " After some years it will end as an advanced Excel workbook where no one in the end knows why and how, nor by who it was created, and everything is a mess." Anita Smith Hi Charlotte At the contract I am working on we gave up on the Navigation form for reasons though not identical then similar, and decided to bite the bullet and use the ribbon. It allows you to move many of the buttons you otherwise have sitting here and there for various tasks to a well-known location with strict design and behaviour. /gustav -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Fri Dec 6 17:21:59 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 15:21:59 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Why would one title bar be a different color? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gah! I just discovered the reason. It was being loaded from a menu using the acDialog argument. The form's border was already set to dialog, and the additional instruction caused a peculiar look to be applied. When I took out that argument in the code opening the form, I get a normal colored title bar. Go figure! Charlotte On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > I'm pulling my hair on this one. In another database, I built a form that > picked up a dark gray title bar. I'm using a dark gray Office Theme, so I > wasn't too surprised. I imported that form into another database using the > dark gray Office theme where the forms have white title bars. The imported > form shows a dark gray title bar. Both of the database had the Use > Windows-Themed controls turned on when the forms were created. I didn't > turn it off until I tried to troubleshoot the difference, and it didn't > have any effect one way or the other. All new forms I create in the > existing database come up with white title bars. Has anyone ever see this > in Access 2010 or 2013? > > I will rebuild the form (I will anyhow, it's just a menu), but I'm > concerned because I have to insulate this app against surprises once I hand > it over. If something will cause a persistent design difference between > forms, I need to prepare for that. > > Charlotte > From Gustav at cactus.dk Sat Dec 7 04:19:35 2013 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2013 11:19:35 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 + Navigation Forms Message-ID: Hi Charlotte OK, I can see you have taken your precautions, and when the average user is kept away, it should be doable. And after all, Access is an end-user product! /gustav >>> charlotte.foust at gmail.com 06-12-13 22:41 >>> Gustav, It may turn into a monster, but admin maintenance is the entire basis for the contract. I've managed to get my arms around most of the peculiarities and wrote some code to make sure the nav forms and buttons are a consistent color no matter what office theme they're designed under. They're not going to be writing a bunch of code, but they will want to add tabs to the nav forms. Not everyone, mind you, just a handful of engineers who will have as extensive a knowledge transfer as possible before I walk out the door. As for ribbons, they would be even more difficult for non-developers to maintain and modify. This project is designed from the start to have a limited number of super users tweaking it on an ongoing basis. My job is to use tools that they can easily (well, relatively easy anyhow) extend. This is not my baby, I'm just its surrogate mom. Charlotte On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 3:22 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Anita > > Maybe I've seen too much! > > The difference could be, that users in general believe they can handle Excel > while it is opposite for Access. So maybe a user maintained Access > application will receive a little more respect than an Excel workbook. > > /gustav > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Anita Smith > Sendt: 6. december 2013 09:56 > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 + Navigation Forms > > Oh but Gustav, you are so upbeat It's hard for me to curb my enthusiasm ;-) > > > " After some years it will end as an advanced Excel workbook where no one in > the end knows why and how, nor by who it was created, and everything is a > mess." > > > > Anita Smith > > > Hi Charlotte > > At the contract I am working on we gave up on the Navigation form for > reasons though not identical then similar, and decided to bite the bullet > and use the ribbon. It allows you to move many of the buttons you otherwise > have sitting here and there for various tasks to a well-known location with > strict design and behaviour. > > > /gustav > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Charlotte Foust > Sendt: 5. december 2013 22:06 > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Emne: [AccessD] Access 2010 + Navigation Forms > > Have any of you guys played with these? The contract I'm on requires that > the product be maintainable by non-developers, engineers who have been to > Access classes but aren't fluent in it and don't tweak it on a daily basis. > In the past I usually used tab controls and a fairly large amount of code > to design the user interface, but that isn't an approach that they would be > able to sustain. One problem with Navigation Controls in Access is that > there is a wizard that builds a Navigation Form but I don't see any way to > use the controls on another form, and the wizard totally ignores Normal form > settings and even the Windows Themes setting in options. I built code to > set the colors on the Open event of the Navigation Form but you have to use > RGB values to set them, and I don't see an easy way to make that modifiable > for when I'm gone. > > Any suggestions? One thing I learned accidentally is that if you set the > display size to 125%, you see some odd effects in the navigation control and > nav buttons. Those disappear when you fall back to 100%, so apparently the > control is for people with normal eyesight! > > Charlotte From Gustav at cactus.dk Sat Dec 7 04:32:49 2013 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2013 11:32:49 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 + Navigation Forms Message-ID: Hi Anita Listen to your guts. I would say, to take the job depends on the people you will work with. Are they the kind of enthusiastic people you otherwise would like to work with - employed by you or vice versa? Do they come to you with an open mind, are they prepared to Work with you for a success, do they realize that an Access app is not a spreadsheet, are they and the users prepared that the Access app will be "different" to work with than the spreadsheet? And, of course, are they prepared that it will take twice as long to finish than they expect, and do they have the budget for this? Finally, is management 100% behind the project? You could, of course, turn it into a mission for killing spreadsheets, but you can't support your family that way. /gustav >>> anita at ddisolutions.com.au 06-12-13 23:38 >>> Gustav, I know all too well - In fact I'm looking at converting an Excel app to Access at the moment, it's all over the place and I'm not even sure I want to take it on. I might live off porridge and fresh air instead of taking on that job. Anita Smith DDi Solutions We Build Software! Custom Software, Websites & Databases. p: + 61 02606 72101 m: +61 040202 2462 | w: www.ddisolutions.com.au | e: anita at ddisolutions.com.au This Email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorised review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply Email and destroy all copies as well as the original message. All views expressed in this Email are those of the sender, except where specifically stated otherwise, and do not necessarily reflect the views of DDi Solutions. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, 6 December 2013 10:22 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 + Navigation Forms Hi Anita Maybe I've seen too much! The difference could be, that users in general believe they can handle Excel while it is opposite for Access. So maybe a user maintained Access application will receive a little more respect than an Excel workbook. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Anita Smith Sendt: 6. december 2013 09:56 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 + Navigation Forms Oh but Gustav, you are so upbeat It's hard for me to curb my enthusiasm ;-) " After some years it will end as an advanced Excel workbook where no one in the end knows why and how, nor by who it was created, and everything is a mess." Anita Smith Hi Charlotte At the contract I am working on we gave up on the Navigation form for reasons though not identical then similar, and decided to bite the bullet and use the ribbon. It allows you to move many of the buttons you otherwise have sitting here and there for various tasks to a well-known location with strict design and behaviour. /gustav From jackandpat.d at gmail.com Sat Dec 7 08:19:56 2013 From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 09:19:56 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 -- web service -- Message-ID: Hi Group, Does anyone have an example or even links to additional info regarding Acc2010 and web services without Sharepoint? I have searched, based on this M$oft info http://office.microsoft.com/en-ca/access-help/create-a-web-service-data-connection-HA010356867.aspx but can find no samples. Even the help files identify people with similar question without answer. I'd like to see a sample with Access2010 and vba. TIA Jack From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Sat Dec 7 13:00:51 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 11:00:51 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 + Navigation Forms In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >>And after all, Access is an end-user product! Yeah, right! I defy any user to create a navigation form that actually works properly, wizard notwithstanding. Charlotte On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 2:19 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Charlotte > > OK, I can see you have taken your precautions, and when the average user > is kept away, it should be doable. > > And after all, Access is an end-user product! > > /gustav > > > >>> charlotte.foust at gmail.com 06-12-13 22:41 >>> > Gustav, > > It may turn into a monster, but admin maintenance is the entire basis for > the contract. I've managed to get my arms around most of the peculiarities > and wrote some code to make sure the nav forms and buttons are a consistent > color no matter what office theme they're designed under. They're not > going to be writing a bunch of code, but they will want to add tabs to the > nav forms. Not everyone, mind you, just a handful of engineers who will > have as extensive a knowledge transfer as possible before I walk out the > door. > > As for ribbons, they would be even more difficult for non-developers to > maintain and modify. This project is designed from the start to have a > limited number of super users tweaking it on an ongoing basis. My job is > to use tools that they can easily (well, relatively easy anyhow) extend. > This is not my baby, I'm just its surrogate mom. > > Charlotte > > > On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 3:22 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > Hi Anita > > > > Maybe I've seen too much! > > > > The difference could be, that users in general believe they can handle > Excel > > while it is opposite for Access. So maybe a user maintained Access > > application will receive a little more respect than an Excel workbook. > > > > /gustav > > > > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Anita Smith > > Sendt: 6. december 2013 09:56 > > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 + Navigation Forms > > > > Oh but Gustav, you are so upbeat It's hard for me to curb my enthusiasm > ;-) > > > > > > " After some years it will end as an advanced Excel workbook where no > one in > > the end knows why and how, nor by who it was created, and everything is a > > mess." > > > > > > > > Anita Smith > > > > > > Hi Charlotte > > > > At the contract I am working on we gave up on the Navigation form for > > reasons though not identical then similar, and decided to bite the bullet > > and use the ribbon. It allows you to move many of the buttons you > otherwise > > have sitting here and there for various tasks to a well-known location > with > > strict design and behaviour. > > > > > > /gustav > > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Charlotte > Foust > > Sendt: 5. december 2013 22:06 > > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Emne: [AccessD] Access 2010 + Navigation Forms > > > > Have any of you guys played with these? The contract I'm on requires > that > > the product be maintainable by non-developers, engineers who have been to > > Access classes but aren't fluent in it and don't tweak it on a daily > basis. > > In the past I usually used tab controls and a fairly large amount of > code > > to design the user interface, but that isn't an approach that they would > be > > able to sustain. One problem with Navigation Controls in Access is that > > there is a wizard that builds a Navigation Form but I don't see any way > to > > use the controls on another form, and the wizard totally ignores Normal > form > > settings and even the Windows Themes setting in options. I built code to > > set the colors on the Open event of the Navigation Form but you have to > use > > RGB values to set them, and I don't see an easy way to make that > modifiable > > for when I'm gone. > > > > Any suggestions? One thing I learned accidentally is that if you set the > > display size to 125%, you see some odd effects in the navigation control > and > > nav buttons. Those disappear when you fall back to 100%, so apparently > the > > control is for people with normal eyesight! > > > > Charlotte > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at gmail.com Thu Dec 12 13:43:50 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 14:43:50 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] I just gotta vent Message-ID: <52AA11F6.7070300@gmail.com> Trying to do some search kind of stuff using a text box to allow a user to type in a loan number and pull all loan numbers LIKE what they typed in. The text box is in the header of the form. 1) The text box CAN ACCEPT the focus but Access refuses to believe that it has the focus IF there is no data in the form. 2) TxtBox.Text is not available unless the control has the focus. 3) ONLY txtbox.Text has the actual value in the control for each character typed in. TxtBox.Value is only updated when the control loses the focus. 4) So at least one record has to be displayed in the form BEFORE the search can be used. The above is a bug reported clear back in the 2000 time frame (or I see references to it in Google from then) 5) Did you know that the MASK control ACTUALLY PLACES the underscore character in the control for every mask character? IOW %%%%% causes _____ to actually be placed in the control. So now Len(txtBox.Text) is 5 even though the user hasn't typed anything into the control. Could it possible get any uglier? Stay tuned for more ugly crap. BUT... we have pretty tool bars. From mcp2004 at mail.ru Thu Dec 12 14:14:51 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 00:14:51 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?I_just_gotta_vent?= In-Reply-To: <52AA11F6.7070300@gmail.com> References: <52AA11F6.7070300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1386879290.248935831@f433.i.mail.ru> Hi John -- <<< 2) TxtBox.Text is not available unless the control has the focus. 3) ONLY txtbox.Text has the actual value in the control for each? character typed in. TxtBox.Value is only updated when the control loses? the focus. >>> These are "features by design" AFAIKR. <<< 1) The text box CAN ACCEPT the focus but Access refuses to believe that? it has the focus IF there is no data in the form. >>> How do you check that a text box has focus? <<< 4) So at least one record has to be displayed in the form BEFORE the? search can be used. >>> How do you implement search functionality? Thank you. -- Shamil Thursday, December 12, 2013 2:43 PM -05:00 from John Colby : >Trying to do some search kind of stuff using a text box to allow a user >to type in a loan number and pull all loan numbers LIKE what they typed >in. The text box is in the header of the form. > >1) The text box CAN ACCEPT the focus but Access refuses to believe that >it has the focus IF there is no data in the form. >2) TxtBox.Text is not available unless the control has the focus. >3) ONLY txtbox.Text has the actual value in the control for each >character typed in. TxtBox.Value is only updated when the control loses >the focus. >4) So at least one record has to be displayed in the form BEFORE the >search can be used. > >The above is a bug reported clear back in the 2000 time frame (or I see >references to it in Google from then) > >5) Did you know that the MASK control ACTUALLY PLACES the underscore >character in the control for every mask character? IOW %%%%% causes >_____ to actually be placed in the control. So now Len(txtBox.Text) is >5 even though the user hasn't typed anything into the control. > >Could it possible get any uglier? > >Stay tuned for more ugly crap. BUT... we have pretty tool bars. > > >-- >AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- ???????????? ?????? From BradM at blackforestltd.com Thu Dec 12 20:09:29 2013 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 20:09:29 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Application - Running Under Win-7 64-Bit with Office 2010 32-bit References: <006c01cef211$7eea8e70$7cbfab50$@comcast.net> <5957ED15F9754F108684B9077B1496F7@HAL9007> Message-ID: All, We are considering the replacement of several PCs in the near future. I have built an Access 2007 application that may need to run under Windows-7 64 Bit with Office 2010 32-bit. It is my understanding that this should work Okay. Is this correct? Thanks, Brad From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Thu Dec 12 20:30:33 2013 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 02:30:33 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Application - Running Under Win-7 64-Bit with Office 2010 32-bit In-Reply-To: References: <006c01cef211$7eea8e70$7cbfab50$@comcast.net> <5957ED15F9754F108684B9077B1496F7@HAL9007> Message-ID: Hi Brad, Assuming it was written in the 32 bit version Access you should be ok. If it was created using 64 Bit Office than it won't work in 32 Bit Office 2010. The OS can be 64 bit without issue. Regards Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Friday, 13 December 2013 1:09 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Application - Running Under Win-7 64-Bit with Office 2010 32-bit All, We are considering the replacement of several PCs in the near future. I have built an Access 2007 application that may need to run under Windows-7 64 Bit with Office 2010 32-bit. It is my understanding that this should work Okay. Is this correct? Thanks, Brad From davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com Thu Dec 12 20:38:54 2013 From: davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com (David A. Gibson) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 20:38:54 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Application - Running Under Win-7 64-Bit with Office 2010 32-bit In-Reply-To: References: <006c01cef211$7eea8e70$7cbfab50$@comcast.net> <5957ED15F9754F108684B9077B1496F7@HAL9007> Message-ID: <053f01cef7ac$77b2df90$67189eb0$@gmail.com> As long as it was written in an Office 32-bit version, it should run just fine in a Windows 64-bit environment. We do it every day. David Gibson -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 8:09 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Application - Running Under Win-7 64-Bit with Office 2010 32-bit All, We are considering the replacement of several PCs in the near future. I have built an Access 2007 application that may need to run under Windows-7 64 Bit with Office 2010 32-bit. It is my understanding that this should work Okay. Is this correct? Thanks, Brad From BradM at blackforestltd.com Thu Dec 12 20:35:30 2013 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 20:35:30 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Application - Running Under Win-7 64-Bit with Office 2010 32-bit References: <006c01cef211$7eea8e70$7cbfab50$@comcast.net><5957ED15F9754F108684B9077B1496F7@HAL9007> Message-ID: Darryl, Thanks for confirmation, I appreciate it. I work for a small firm. The person who used to purchase the hardware and software no longer works for us. My background is in database admin and ap development, and I am not 100% sure of myself in the realm of buying hardware and software and in the realm of compatibility issues. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Darryl Collins Sent: Thu 12/12/2013 8:30 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Application - Running Under Win-7 64-Bit with Office 2010 32-bit Hi Brad, Assuming it was written in the 32 bit version Access you should be ok. If it was created using 64 Bit Office than it won't work in 32 Bit Office 2010. The OS can be 64 bit without issue. Regards Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Friday, 13 December 2013 1:09 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Application - Running Under Win-7 64-Bit with Office 2010 32-bit All, We are considering the replacement of several PCs in the near future. I have built an Access 2007 application that may need to run under Windows-7 64 Bit with Office 2010 32-bit. It is my understanding that this should work Okay. Is this correct? Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. Click here to report this message as spam. http://h0stname/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=51FFC27DED.96A99 From BradM at blackforestltd.com Thu Dec 12 20:40:40 2013 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 20:40:40 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Application - Running Under Win-7 64-Bitwith Office 2010 32-bit References: <006c01cef211$7eea8e70$7cbfab50$@comcast.net><5957ED15F9754F108684B9077B1496F7@HAL9007> <053f01cef7ac$77b2df90$67189eb0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: David, Thanks for the help. I spent some time on Dell's website and on an online Chat with a Dell rep. It sounds like we cannot get Office 32-bit pre-installed by Dell. We may need to purchase Office 2010 32-bit from another source and install it ourselves. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of David A. Gibson Sent: Thu 12/12/2013 8:38 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Application - Running Under Win-7 64-Bitwith Office 2010 32-bit As long as it was written in an Office 32-bit version, it should run just fine in a Windows 64-bit environment. We do it every day. David Gibson -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 8:09 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Application - Running Under Win-7 64-Bit with Office 2010 32-bit All, We are considering the replacement of several PCs in the near future. I have built an Access 2007 application that may need to run under Windows-7 64 Bit with Office 2010 32-bit. It is my understanding that this should work Okay. Is this correct? Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. Click here to report this message as spam. http://h0stname/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=2281A27DED.A6B8F From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Thu Dec 12 20:56:19 2013 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 02:56:19 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Application - Running Under Win-7 64-Bitwith Office 2010 32-bit In-Reply-To: References: <006c01cef211$7eea8e70$7cbfab50$@comcast.net><5957ED15F9754F108684B9077B1496F7@HAL9007> <053f01cef7ac$77b2df90$67189eb0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yeah, I would think they only offer Office 2013 as a pre install. From what I understand retail version of MS Office 2010 are still commonly available. Actually, all you would need is one disk as you could purchase additional licenses as required. Good luck - Office 2010 is a decent solution (certainly better then 2007), especially when coupled with W7 64 bit. Cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Friday, 13 December 2013 1:41 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Application - Running Under Win-7 64-Bitwith Office 2010 32-bit David, Thanks for the help. I spent some time on Dell's website and on an online Chat with a Dell rep. It sounds like we cannot get Office 32-bit pre-installed by Dell. We may need to purchase Office 2010 32-bit from another source and install it ourselves. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of David A. Gibson Sent: Thu 12/12/2013 8:38 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Application - Running Under Win-7 64-Bitwith Office 2010 32-bit As long as it was written in an Office 32-bit version, it should run just fine in a Windows 64-bit environment. We do it every day. David Gibson -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 8:09 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Application - Running Under Win-7 64-Bit with Office 2010 32-bit All, We are considering the replacement of several PCs in the near future. I have built an Access 2007 application that may need to run under Windows-7 64 Bit with Office 2010 32-bit. It is my understanding that this should work Okay. Is this correct? Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. Click here to report this message as spam. http://h0stname/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=2281A27DED.A6B8F From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Dec 13 04:16:57 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 05:16:57 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Open an app with shift-key down Message-ID: Is there a way to create a shortcut to an Access app that will be the equivalent of opening it with the shift-key down? I frequently forget to do that. It's not a big deal, I just exit and then re-enter, holding the key down, but it happens often enough that it got me wondering. -- Arthur From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Dec 13 07:00:17 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 14:00:17 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] I just gotta vent Message-ID: <008c01cef803$45e94970$d1bbdc50$@cactus.dk> Hi John Further to Shamil's comments, I see nothing new here. One record is needed for the form to be operational, if not an existing then at least a new record. If you wish a permanently available Text property, go with Visual Basic (just kidding) or .Net. To check which (or if a) control has the focus, use Me.ActiveControl. And InputMask has always been very "stiff". I think I can count on one hand the cases where I have used it. Finally, challenges is what keep you young! /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John Colby Sendt: 12. december 2013 20:44 Til: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Emne: [AccessD] I just gotta vent Trying to do some search kind of stuff using a text box to allow a user to type in a loan number and pull all loan numbers LIKE what they typed in. The text box is in the header of the form. 1) The text box CAN ACCEPT the focus but Access refuses to believe that it has the focus IF there is no data in the form. 2) TxtBox.Text is not available unless the control has the focus. 3) ONLY txtbox.Text has the actual value in the control for each character typed in. TxtBox.Value is only updated when the control loses the focus. 4) So at least one record has to be displayed in the form BEFORE the search can be used. The above is a bug reported clear back in the 2000 time frame (or I see references to it in Google from then) 5) Did you know that the MASK control ACTUALLY PLACES the underscore character in the control for every mask character? IOW %%%%% causes _____ to actually be placed in the control. So now Len(txtBox.Text) is 5 even though the user hasn't typed anything into the control. Could it possible get any uglier? Stay tuned for more ugly crap. BUT... we have pretty tool bars. From jimdettman at verizon.net Fri Dec 13 07:38:48 2013 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 08:38:48 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] I just gotta vent In-Reply-To: <52AA11F6.7070300@gmail.com> References: <52AA11F6.7070300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <<1) The text box CAN ACCEPT the focus but Access refuses to believe that it has the focus IF there is no data in the form.>> Not sure I follow that. As Shamil said, what are you using to determine the focus? Screen.ActiveControl? <<2) TxtBox.Text is not available unless the control has the focus.>> That would be correct. .Oldvalue is the record prior to editing, .Value is the current value or the control, and .text is the keystroke buffer before it has been committed to the control. <<3) ONLY txtbox.Text has the actual value in the control for each character typed in. TxtBox.Value is only updated when the control loses the focus.>> Correct. <<4) So at least one record has to be displayed in the form BEFORE the search can be used.>> Don't get that. I use unbound controls all the time for searches. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 02:44 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] I just gotta vent Trying to do some search kind of stuff using a text box to allow a user <> From davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com Fri Dec 13 08:04:20 2013 From: davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com (David A Gibson) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 08:04:20 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Application - Running Under Win-7 64-Bitwith Office 2010 32-bit In-Reply-To: References: <006c01cef211$7eea8e70$7cbfab50$@comcast.net><5957ED15F9754F108684B9077B1496F7@HAL9007> <053f01cef7ac$77b2df90$67189eb0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001cef80c$38f74bf0$aae5e3d0$@gmail.com> We're using Win 7 64-bit with Office 2010 32-bit. I work for a university and we do bulk licensing with MS and it provides lots of options. We opted for the 32-bit version of Office as the 64-bit version was less robust and had some issues. David -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 8:41 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Application - Running Under Win-7 64-Bitwith Office 2010 32-bit David, Thanks for the help. I spent some time on Dell's website and on an online Chat with a Dell rep. It sounds like we cannot get Office 32-bit pre-installed by Dell. We may need to purchase Office 2010 32-bit from another source and install it ourselves. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of David A. Gibson Sent: Thu 12/12/2013 8:38 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Application - Running Under Win-7 64-Bitwith Office 2010 32-bit As long as it was written in an Office 32-bit version, it should run just fine in a Windows 64-bit environment. We do it every day. David Gibson -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 8:09 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Application - Running Under Win-7 64-Bit with Office 2010 32-bit All, We are considering the replacement of several PCs in the near future. I have built an Access 2007 application that may need to run under Windows-7 64 Bit with Office 2010 32-bit. It is my understanding that this should work Okay. Is this correct? Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. Click here to report this message as spam. http://h0stname/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=2281A27DED.A6B8F From jwcolby at gmail.com Fri Dec 13 08:28:27 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 09:28:27 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] I just gotta vent In-Reply-To: References: <52AA11F6.7070300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <52AB198B.1050206@gmail.com> >Not sure I follow that. As Shamil said, what are you using to determine the focus? Screen.ActiveControl? The control HAS the focus. I am TYPING IN IT. In the ONCHANGE event I ask for ThixCtl.text and am told "the text property is only available if the control has the focus" EXCUSE ME? How can the OnChange be firing if the control does not have the focus. "By design" means that we have pretty toolbars to design and haven't got time to fix bugs that have been around for TEN YEARS. > Don't get that. I use unbound controls all the time for searches. I don't doubt that. What you DON'T do is use the .text property to do it because "the control doesn't have the focus". Even though I am TYPING IN IT. BUG folks. Understand that this works just fine IF the (bound) form had a recordset displaying something. But think about it. This is an EDIT form. There should not be a new record, this is for editing existing records. The user is not allowed to enter new records. There should not be "some fake record just to allow this to work". The form should be blank and I should be able to do exactly what I am doing in order to select some value to go get existing records. jwc On 12/13/2013 8:38 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: > <<1) The text box CAN ACCEPT the focus but Access refuses to believe that > it has the focus IF there is no data in the form.>> > > Not sure I follow that. As Shamil said, what are you using to determine > the focus? Screen.ActiveControl? > > <<2) TxtBox.Text is not available unless the control has the focus.>> > > That would be correct. .Oldvalue is the record prior to editing, .Value > is the current value or the control, and .text is the keystroke buffer > before it has been committed to the control. > > <<3) ONLY txtbox.Text has the actual value in the control for each > character typed in. TxtBox.Value is only updated when the control loses > the focus.>> > > Correct. > > <<4) So at least one record has to be displayed in the form BEFORE the > search can be used.>> > > Don't get that. I use unbound controls all the time for searches. > > Jim. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 02:44 PM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [AccessD] I just gotta vent > > Trying to do some search kind of stuff using a text box to allow a user > <> > From df.waters at comcast.net Fri Dec 13 09:06:56 2013 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 09:06:56 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] I just gotta vent In-Reply-To: <52AB198B.1050206@gmail.com> References: <52AA11F6.7070300@gmail.com> <52AB198B.1050206@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003801cef814$f7526690$e5f733b0$@comcast.net> Hi John, >From my distant memory, in Access the .text property has a purpose but is very temporary - I've never used it. Try using the .Value property instead - which you don't really need to use because it's the default property anyway. Don't use the .Text property in Access - perhaps you're thinking of programming in .Net which uses .Text to get the value of many controls on forms? With your editing form, what I would do is use the information in your search form to modify a query and then set the form's recordset to that query. What is the mechanism you've set up for getting filtered records into your form? Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 8:28 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] I just gotta vent >Not sure I follow that. As Shamil said, what are you using to determine the focus? Screen.ActiveControl? The control HAS the focus. I am TYPING IN IT. In the ONCHANGE event I ask for ThixCtl.text and am told "the text property is only available if the control has the focus" EXCUSE ME? How can the OnChange be firing if the control does not have the focus. "By design" means that we have pretty toolbars to design and haven't got time to fix bugs that have been around for TEN YEARS. > Don't get that. I use unbound controls all the time for searches. I don't doubt that. What you DON'T do is use the .text property to do it because "the control doesn't have the focus". Even though I am TYPING IN IT. BUG folks. Understand that this works just fine IF the (bound) form had a recordset displaying something. But think about it. This is an EDIT form. There should not be a new record, this is for editing existing records. The user is not allowed to enter new records. There should not be "some fake record just to allow this to work". The form should be blank and I should be able to do exactly what I am doing in order to select some value to go get existing records. jwc On 12/13/2013 8:38 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: > <<1) The text box CAN ACCEPT the focus but Access refuses to believe > that it has the focus IF there is no data in the form.>> > > Not sure I follow that. As Shamil said, what are you using to > determine the focus? Screen.ActiveControl? > > <<2) TxtBox.Text is not available unless the control has the focus.>> > > That would be correct. .Oldvalue is the record prior to editing, .Value > is the current value or the control, and .text is the keystroke buffer > before it has been committed to the control. > > <<3) ONLY txtbox.Text has the actual value in the control for each > character typed in. TxtBox.Value is only updated when the control > loses the focus.>> > > Correct. > > <<4) So at least one record has to be displayed in the form BEFORE the > search can be used.>> > > Don't get that. I use unbound controls all the time for searches. > > Jim. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 02:44 PM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [AccessD] I just gotta vent > > Trying to do some search kind of stuff using a text box to allow a > user <> > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From df.waters at comcast.net Fri Dec 13 09:15:30 2013 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 09:15:30 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Open an app with shift-key down In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003901cef816$29925d30$7cb71790$@comcast.net> Hi Arthur, Yes! What you do is set up a /cmd parameter at the end of the shortcut's target field. Something like: /cmd NoAutoRun The NoAutoRun parameter will pass into your app as a string value, but don't enclose it with apostrophes in the shortcut's Target field. Then, when your code runs automatically on startup, you can use that parameter to branch your code. Like this: If Command() = "NoAutoRun" then Exit Sub '-- code stops running Else Call NormalStartupRoutine End If Good Luck! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 4:17 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Open an app with shift-key down Is there a way to create a shortcut to an Access app that will be the equivalent of opening it with the shift-key down? I frequently forget to do that. It's not a big deal, I just exit and then re-enter, holding the key down, but it happens often enough that it got me wondering. -- Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at gmail.com Fri Dec 13 09:16:50 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 10:16:50 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] I just gotta vent In-Reply-To: <003801cef814$f7526690$e5f733b0$@comcast.net> References: <52AA11F6.7070300@gmail.com> <52AB198B.1050206@gmail.com> <003801cef814$f7526690$e5f733b0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <52AB24E2.3020305@gmail.com> The value property isn't updated until you LEAVE the control. I am trying to : 1) accept user input key by key. ONLY the text property displays what the user is typing in AS THEY TYPE. 2) if the total length is >=3 then start using that in a "like" statement to pull records and display in the form 3) if the length ever is less than three blank the form (if it has anything displayed) 4) This is kinda sorta the same functionality of a combo box except I want to pull a recordset into the form The users want to be able to get sets of records "starting with". This isn't rocket science, in fact it is trivial IF there is at least one record in the form, because then the whole thing just works. As soon as the form goes blank this "the control does not have the focus" bug bites. Of course the control has the focus, I AM TYPING IN IT. So my "search form" is just a control on the edit form. On 12/13/2013 10:06 AM, Dan Waters wrote: > Hi John, > > From my distant memory, in Access the .text property has a purpose but is > very temporary - I've never used it. Try using the .Value property instead > - which you don't really need to use because it's the default property > anyway. Don't use the .Text property in Access - perhaps you're thinking of > programming in .Net which uses .Text to get the value of many controls on > forms? > > With your editing form, what I would do is use the information in your > search form to modify a query and then set the form's recordset to that > query. What is the mechanism you've set up for getting filtered records > into your form? > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby > Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 8:28 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] I just gotta vent > > >Not sure I follow that. As Shamil said, what are you using to determine > the focus? Screen.ActiveControl? > > The control HAS the focus. I am TYPING IN IT. In the ONCHANGE event I ask > for ThixCtl.text and am told "the text property is only available if the > control has the focus" > > EXCUSE ME? > > How can the OnChange be firing if the control does not have the focus. > > "By design" means that we have pretty toolbars to design and haven't got > time to fix bugs that have been around for TEN YEARS. > > > Don't get that. I use unbound controls all the time for searches. > > I don't doubt that. What you DON'T do is use the .text property to do it > because "the control doesn't have the focus". Even though I am TYPING IN > IT. > > BUG folks. > > Understand that this works just fine IF the (bound) form had a recordset > displaying something. But think about it. This is an EDIT form. There > should not be a new record, this is for editing existing records. The user > is not allowed to enter new records. There should not be "some fake record > just to allow this to work". The form should be blank and I should be able > to do exactly what I am doing in order to select some value to go get > existing records. > > jwc > > On 12/13/2013 8:38 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: >> <<1) The text box CAN ACCEPT the focus but Access refuses to believe >> that it has the focus IF there is no data in the form.>> >> >> Not sure I follow that. As Shamil said, what are you using to >> determine the focus? Screen.ActiveControl? >> >> <<2) TxtBox.Text is not available unless the control has the focus.>> >> >> That would be correct. .Oldvalue is the record prior to editing, > .Value >> is the current value or the control, and .text is the keystroke buffer >> before it has been committed to the control. >> >> <<3) ONLY txtbox.Text has the actual value in the control for each >> character typed in. TxtBox.Value is only updated when the control >> loses the focus.>> >> >> Correct. >> >> <<4) So at least one record has to be displayed in the form BEFORE the >> search can be used.>> >> >> Don't get that. I use unbound controls all the time for searches. >> >> Jim. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby >> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 02:44 PM >> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com >> Subject: [AccessD] I just gotta vent >> >> Trying to do some search kind of stuff using a text box to allow a >> user <> >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Dec 13 09:19:21 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 10:19:21 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Open an app with shift-key down In-Reply-To: <003901cef816$29925d30$7cb71790$@comcast.net> References: <003901cef816$29925d30$7cb71790$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Thanks, Dan. Much appreciated. Arthur On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Dan Waters wrote: > Hi Arthur, > > Yes! > > What you do is set up a /cmd parameter at the end of the shortcut's target > field. Something like: /cmd NoAutoRun The NoAutoRun parameter will pass > into your app as a string value, but don't enclose it with apostrophes in > the shortcut's Target field. > > Then, when your code runs automatically on startup, you can use that > parameter to branch your code. > > Like this: > > If Command() = "NoAutoRun" then > Exit Sub '-- code stops running > Else > Call NormalStartupRoutine > End If > > > Good Luck! > Dan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 4:17 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Open an app with shift-key down > > Is there a way to create a shortcut to an Access app that will be the > equivalent of opening it with the shift-key down? I frequently forget to do > that. It's not a big deal, I just exit and then re-enter, holding the key > down, but it happens often enough that it got me wondering. > > -- > Arthur > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Dec 13 09:22:45 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 10:22:45 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] I just gotta vent In-Reply-To: <52AB24E2.3020305@gmail.com> References: <52AA11F6.7070300@gmail.com> <52AB198B.1050206@gmail.com> <003801cef814$f7526690$e5f733b0$@comcast.net> <52AB24E2.3020305@gmail.com> Message-ID: John, I seem to recall doing almost exactly this (right down to the >=3 part) but it was years ago so I may be foggy on how I implemented it. I think that I used KeyDown not the other events. Arthur On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 10:16 AM, John Colby wrote: > The value property isn't updated until you LEAVE the control. > > I am trying to : > 1) accept user input key by key. ONLY the text property displays what the > user is typing in AS THEY TYPE. > 2) if the total length is >=3 then start using that in a "like" statement > to pull records and display in the form > 3) if the length ever is less than three blank the form (if it has > anything displayed) > 4) This is kinda sorta the same functionality of a combo box except I want > to pull a recordset into the form > > The users want to be able to get sets of records "starting with". > > This isn't rocket science, in fact it is trivial IF there is at least one > record in the form, because then the whole thing just works. As soon as > the form goes blank this "the control does not have the focus" bug bites. > Of course the control has the focus, I AM TYPING IN IT. > > So my "search form" is just a control on the edit form. > > > On 12/13/2013 10:06 AM, Dan Waters wrote: > >> Hi John, >> >> From my distant memory, in Access the .text property has a purpose but is >> very temporary - I've never used it. Try using the .Value property >> instead >> - which you don't really need to use because it's the default property >> anyway. Don't use the .Text property in Access - perhaps you're thinking >> of >> programming in .Net which uses .Text to get the value of many controls on >> forms? >> >> With your editing form, what I would do is use the information in your >> search form to modify a query and then set the form's recordset to that >> query. What is the mechanism you've set up for getting filtered records >> into your form? >> >> Dan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby >> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 8:28 AM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I just gotta vent >> >> >Not sure I follow that. As Shamil said, what are you using to determine >> the focus? Screen.ActiveControl? >> >> The control HAS the focus. I am TYPING IN IT. In the ONCHANGE event I >> ask >> for ThixCtl.text and am told "the text property is only available if the >> control has the focus" >> >> EXCUSE ME? >> >> How can the OnChange be firing if the control does not have the focus. >> >> "By design" means that we have pretty toolbars to design and haven't got >> time to fix bugs that have been around for TEN YEARS. >> >> > Don't get that. I use unbound controls all the time for searches. >> >> I don't doubt that. What you DON'T do is use the .text property to do it >> because "the control doesn't have the focus". Even though I am TYPING IN >> IT. >> >> BUG folks. >> >> Understand that this works just fine IF the (bound) form had a recordset >> displaying something. But think about it. This is an EDIT form. There >> should not be a new record, this is for editing existing records. The >> user >> is not allowed to enter new records. There should not be "some fake record >> just to allow this to work". The form should be blank and I should be able >> to do exactly what I am doing in order to select some value to go get >> existing records. >> >> jwc >> >> On 12/13/2013 8:38 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: >> >>> <<1) The text box CAN ACCEPT the focus but Access refuses to believe >>> that it has the focus IF there is no data in the form.>> >>> >>> Not sure I follow that. As Shamil said, what are you using to >>> determine the focus? Screen.ActiveControl? >>> >>> <<2) TxtBox.Text is not available unless the control has the focus.>> >>> >>> That would be correct. .Oldvalue is the record prior to editing, >>> >> .Value >> >>> is the current value or the control, and .text is the keystroke buffer >>> before it has been committed to the control. >>> >>> <<3) ONLY txtbox.Text has the actual value in the control for each >>> character typed in. TxtBox.Value is only updated when the control >>> loses the focus.>> >>> >>> Correct. >>> >>> <<4) So at least one record has to be displayed in the form BEFORE the >>> search can be used.>> >>> >>> Don't get that. I use unbound controls all the time for searches. >>> >>> Jim. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby >>> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 02:44 PM >>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com >>> Subject: [AccessD] I just gotta vent >>> >>> Trying to do some search kind of stuff using a text box to allow a >>> user <> >>> >>> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From jwcolby at gmail.com Fri Dec 13 09:24:40 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 10:24:40 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] I just gotta vent In-Reply-To: References: <52AA11F6.7070300@gmail.com> <52AB198B.1050206@gmail.com> <003801cef814$f7526690$e5f733b0$@comcast.net> <52AB24E2.3020305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <52AB26B8.2030100@gmail.com> The event doesn't matter. the Text property is not available. On 12/13/2013 10:22 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > John, > > I seem to recall doing almost exactly this (right down to the >=3 part) but > it was years ago so I may be foggy on how I implemented it. I think that I > used KeyDown not the other events. > > Arthur > > > On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 10:16 AM, John Colby wrote: > >> The value property isn't updated until you LEAVE the control. >> >> I am trying to : >> 1) accept user input key by key. ONLY the text property displays what the >> user is typing in AS THEY TYPE. >> 2) if the total length is >=3 then start using that in a "like" statement >> to pull records and display in the form >> 3) if the length ever is less than three blank the form (if it has >> anything displayed) >> 4) This is kinda sorta the same functionality of a combo box except I want >> to pull a recordset into the form >> >> The users want to be able to get sets of records "starting with". >> >> This isn't rocket science, in fact it is trivial IF there is at least one >> record in the form, because then the whole thing just works. As soon as >> the form goes blank this "the control does not have the focus" bug bites. >> Of course the control has the focus, I AM TYPING IN IT. >> >> So my "search form" is just a control on the edit form. >> >> >> On 12/13/2013 10:06 AM, Dan Waters wrote: >> >>> Hi John, >>> >>> From my distant memory, in Access the .text property has a purpose but is >>> very temporary - I've never used it. Try using the .Value property >>> instead >>> - which you don't really need to use because it's the default property >>> anyway. Don't use the .Text property in Access - perhaps you're thinking >>> of >>> programming in .Net which uses .Text to get the value of many controls on >>> forms? >>> >>> With your editing form, what I would do is use the information in your >>> search form to modify a query and then set the form's recordset to that >>> query. What is the mechanism you've set up for getting filtered records >>> into your form? >>> >>> Dan >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby >>> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 8:28 AM >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I just gotta vent >>> >>> >Not sure I follow that. As Shamil said, what are you using to determine >>> the focus? Screen.ActiveControl? >>> >>> The control HAS the focus. I am TYPING IN IT. In the ONCHANGE event I >>> ask >>> for ThixCtl.text and am told "the text property is only available if the >>> control has the focus" >>> >>> EXCUSE ME? >>> >>> How can the OnChange be firing if the control does not have the focus. >>> >>> "By design" means that we have pretty toolbars to design and haven't got >>> time to fix bugs that have been around for TEN YEARS. >>> >>> > Don't get that. I use unbound controls all the time for searches. >>> >>> I don't doubt that. What you DON'T do is use the .text property to do it >>> because "the control doesn't have the focus". Even though I am TYPING IN >>> IT. >>> >>> BUG folks. >>> >>> Understand that this works just fine IF the (bound) form had a recordset >>> displaying something. But think about it. This is an EDIT form. There >>> should not be a new record, this is for editing existing records. The >>> user >>> is not allowed to enter new records. There should not be "some fake record >>> just to allow this to work". The form should be blank and I should be able >>> to do exactly what I am doing in order to select some value to go get >>> existing records. >>> >>> jwc >>> >>> On 12/13/2013 8:38 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: >>> >>>> <<1) The text box CAN ACCEPT the focus but Access refuses to believe >>>> that it has the focus IF there is no data in the form.>> >>>> >>>> Not sure I follow that. As Shamil said, what are you using to >>>> determine the focus? Screen.ActiveControl? >>>> >>>> <<2) TxtBox.Text is not available unless the control has the focus.>> >>>> >>>> That would be correct. .Oldvalue is the record prior to editing, >>>> >>> .Value >>> >>>> is the current value or the control, and .text is the keystroke buffer >>>> before it has been committed to the control. >>>> >>>> <<3) ONLY txtbox.Text has the actual value in the control for each >>>> character typed in. TxtBox.Value is only updated when the control >>>> loses the focus.>> >>>> >>>> Correct. >>>> >>>> <<4) So at least one record has to be displayed in the form BEFORE the >>>> search can be used.>> >>>> >>>> Don't get that. I use unbound controls all the time for searches. >>>> >>>> Jim. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 02:44 PM >>>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com >>>> Subject: [AccessD] I just gotta vent >>>> >>>> Trying to do some search kind of stuff using a text box to allow a >>>> user <> >>>> >>>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > From BradM at blackforestltd.com Fri Dec 13 10:32:03 2013 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 10:32:03 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Application - Running Under Win-764-Bitwith Office 2010 32-bit References: <006c01cef211$7eea8e70$7cbfab50$@comcast.net><5957ED15F9754F108684B9077B1496F7@HAL9007><053f01cef7ac$77b2df90$67189eb0$@gmail.com> <000001cef80c$38f74bf0$aae5e3d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: David, Thanks for the info. I have not been in the position of purchasing company hardware and software before. I have been asked to help with this in the next couple days so that the purchases can be in 2013 for tax purposes. It looks like we may buy Dell PCs with Win-7 Pro 64-bit. We will probably purchase Office 2010 from another source. When I look at Office 2010 on other websites, I have not seen the option to specify 32-bit or 64-bit when ordering Office 2010. This is really dumb, but I don't understand how force Office 2010 to be 32-bit. Is this specified in the install process? Does it matter that we are installing Office 2010 on a Win-7 64 bit PC? If anyone can shed light on these questions, I would be most grateful. Thanks, Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of David A Gibson Sent: Fri 12/13/2013 8:04 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Application - Running Under Win-764-Bitwith Office 2010 32-bit We're using Win 7 64-bit with Office 2010 32-bit. I work for a university and we do bulk licensing with MS and it provides lots of options. We opted for the 32-bit version of Office as the 64-bit version was less robust and had some issues. David -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 8:41 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Application - Running Under Win-7 64-Bitwith Office 2010 32-bit David, Thanks for the help. I spent some time on Dell's website and on an online Chat with a Dell rep. It sounds like we cannot get Office 32-bit pre-installed by Dell. We may need to purchase Office 2010 32-bit from another source and install it ourselves. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of David A. Gibson Sent: Thu 12/12/2013 8:38 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Application - Running Under Win-7 64-Bitwith Office 2010 32-bit As long as it was written in an Office 32-bit version, it should run just fine in a Windows 64-bit environment. We do it every day. David Gibson -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 8:09 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Application - Running Under Win-7 64-Bit with Office 2010 32-bit All, We are considering the replacement of several PCs in the near future. I have built an Access 2007 application that may need to run under Windows-7 64 Bit with Office 2010 32-bit. It is my understanding that this should work Okay. Is this correct? Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. Click here to report this message as spam. http://h0stname/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=2281A27DED.A6B8F -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. Click here to report this message as spam. http://h0stname/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=A496027ED2.7ACCA From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Fri Dec 13 10:40:29 2013 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 10:40:29 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] I just gotta vent In-Reply-To: <52AB26B8.2030100@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201312131640.rBDGeWEo005538@databaseadvisors.com> Hey John I am not quite too sure what you are up to. But as far as text is concerned I think Arthur is correct. I use the KeyDown and KeyUp events (gotta be careful interesting/frustrating things sometimes will happen)to trap user text/value input and then handle it in code. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby Sent: December-13-13 9:25 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] I just gotta vent The event doesn't matter. the Text property is not available. On 12/13/2013 10:22 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > John, > > I seem to recall doing almost exactly this (right down to the >=3 part) but > it was years ago so I may be foggy on how I implemented it. I think that I > used KeyDown not the other events. > > Arthur > > > On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 10:16 AM, John Colby wrote: > >> The value property isn't updated until you LEAVE the control. >> >> I am trying to : >> 1) accept user input key by key. ONLY the text property displays what the >> user is typing in AS THEY TYPE. >> 2) if the total length is >=3 then start using that in a "like" statement >> to pull records and display in the form >> 3) if the length ever is less than three blank the form (if it has >> anything displayed) >> 4) This is kinda sorta the same functionality of a combo box except I want >> to pull a recordset into the form >> >> The users want to be able to get sets of records "starting with". >> >> This isn't rocket science, in fact it is trivial IF there is at least one >> record in the form, because then the whole thing just works. As soon as >> the form goes blank this "the control does not have the focus" bug bites. >> Of course the control has the focus, I AM TYPING IN IT. >> >> So my "search form" is just a control on the edit form. >> >> >> On 12/13/2013 10:06 AM, Dan Waters wrote: >> >>> Hi John, >>> >>> From my distant memory, in Access the .text property has a purpose but is >>> very temporary - I've never used it. Try using the .Value property >>> instead >>> - which you don't really need to use because it's the default property >>> anyway. Don't use the .Text property in Access - perhaps you're thinking >>> of >>> programming in .Net which uses .Text to get the value of many controls on >>> forms? >>> >>> With your editing form, what I would do is use the information in your >>> search form to modify a query and then set the form's recordset to that >>> query. What is the mechanism you've set up for getting filtered records >>> into your form? >>> >>> Dan >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby >>> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 8:28 AM >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I just gotta vent >>> >>> >Not sure I follow that. As Shamil said, what are you using to determine >>> the focus? Screen.ActiveControl? >>> >>> The control HAS the focus. I am TYPING IN IT. In the ONCHANGE event I >>> ask >>> for ThixCtl.text and am told "the text property is only available if the >>> control has the focus" >>> >>> EXCUSE ME? >>> >>> How can the OnChange be firing if the control does not have the focus. >>> >>> "By design" means that we have pretty toolbars to design and haven't got >>> time to fix bugs that have been around for TEN YEARS. >>> >>> > Don't get that. I use unbound controls all the time for searches. >>> >>> I don't doubt that. What you DON'T do is use the .text property to do it >>> because "the control doesn't have the focus". Even though I am TYPING IN >>> IT. >>> >>> BUG folks. >>> >>> Understand that this works just fine IF the (bound) form had a recordset >>> displaying something. But think about it. This is an EDIT form. There >>> should not be a new record, this is for editing existing records. The >>> user >>> is not allowed to enter new records. There should not be "some fake record >>> just to allow this to work". The form should be blank and I should be able >>> to do exactly what I am doing in order to select some value to go get >>> existing records. >>> >>> jwc >>> >>> On 12/13/2013 8:38 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: >>> >>>> <<1) The text box CAN ACCEPT the focus but Access refuses to believe >>>> that it has the focus IF there is no data in the form.>> >>>> >>>> Not sure I follow that. As Shamil said, what are you using to >>>> determine the focus? Screen.ActiveControl? >>>> >>>> <<2) TxtBox.Text is not available unless the control has the focus.>> >>>> >>>> That would be correct. .Oldvalue is the record prior to editing, >>>> >>> .Value >>> >>>> is the current value or the control, and .text is the keystroke buffer >>>> before it has been committed to the control. >>>> >>>> <<3) ONLY txtbox.Text has the actual value in the control for each >>>> character typed in. TxtBox.Value is only updated when the control >>>> loses the focus.>> >>>> >>>> Correct. >>>> >>>> <<4) So at least one record has to be displayed in the form BEFORE the >>>> search can be used.>> >>>> >>>> Don't get that. I use unbound controls all the time for searches. >>>> >>>> Jim. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 02:44 PM >>>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com >>>> Subject: [AccessD] I just gotta vent >>>> >>>> Trying to do some search kind of stuff using a text box to allow a >>>> user <> >>>> >>>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Fri Dec 13 10:52:22 2013 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 10:52:22 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] I just gotta vent In-Reply-To: <52AB26B8.2030100@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201312131652.rBDGqPPa005572@databaseadvisors.com> Hey John Mow that the old man's neurons are firing, it takes a little figging around in the KeyDown and KeyUp events if you have applied formatting to the box. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby Sent: December-13-13 9:25 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] I just gotta vent The event doesn't matter. the Text property is not available. On 12/13/2013 10:22 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > John, > > I seem to recall doing almost exactly this (right down to the >=3 part) but > it was years ago so I may be foggy on how I implemented it. I think that I > used KeyDown not the other events. > > Arthur > > > On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 10:16 AM, John Colby wrote: > >> The value property isn't updated until you LEAVE the control. >> >> I am trying to : >> 1) accept user input key by key. ONLY the text property displays what the >> user is typing in AS THEY TYPE. >> 2) if the total length is >=3 then start using that in a "like" statement >> to pull records and display in the form >> 3) if the length ever is less than three blank the form (if it has >> anything displayed) >> 4) This is kinda sorta the same functionality of a combo box except I want >> to pull a recordset into the form >> >> The users want to be able to get sets of records "starting with". >> >> This isn't rocket science, in fact it is trivial IF there is at least one >> record in the form, because then the whole thing just works. As soon as >> the form goes blank this "the control does not have the focus" bug bites. >> Of course the control has the focus, I AM TYPING IN IT. >> >> So my "search form" is just a control on the edit form. >> >> >> On 12/13/2013 10:06 AM, Dan Waters wrote: >> >>> Hi John, >>> >>> From my distant memory, in Access the .text property has a purpose but is >>> very temporary - I've never used it. Try using the .Value property >>> instead >>> - which you don't really need to use because it's the default property >>> anyway. Don't use the .Text property in Access - perhaps you're thinking >>> of >>> programming in .Net which uses .Text to get the value of many controls on >>> forms? >>> >>> With your editing form, what I would do is use the information in your >>> search form to modify a query and then set the form's recordset to that >>> query. What is the mechanism you've set up for getting filtered records >>> into your form? >>> >>> Dan >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby >>> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 8:28 AM >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I just gotta vent >>> >>> >Not sure I follow that. As Shamil said, what are you using to determine >>> the focus? Screen.ActiveControl? >>> >>> The control HAS the focus. I am TYPING IN IT. In the ONCHANGE event I >>> ask >>> for ThixCtl.text and am told "the text property is only available if the >>> control has the focus" >>> >>> EXCUSE ME? >>> >>> How can the OnChange be firing if the control does not have the focus. >>> >>> "By design" means that we have pretty toolbars to design and haven't got >>> time to fix bugs that have been around for TEN YEARS. >>> >>> > Don't get that. I use unbound controls all the time for searches. >>> >>> I don't doubt that. What you DON'T do is use the .text property to do it >>> because "the control doesn't have the focus". Even though I am TYPING IN >>> IT. >>> >>> BUG folks. >>> >>> Understand that this works just fine IF the (bound) form had a recordset >>> displaying something. But think about it. This is an EDIT form. There >>> should not be a new record, this is for editing existing records. The >>> user >>> is not allowed to enter new records. There should not be "some fake record >>> just to allow this to work". The form should be blank and I should be able >>> to do exactly what I am doing in order to select some value to go get >>> existing records. >>> >>> jwc >>> >>> On 12/13/2013 8:38 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: >>> >>>> <<1) The text box CAN ACCEPT the focus but Access refuses to believe >>>> that it has the focus IF there is no data in the form.>> >>>> >>>> Not sure I follow that. As Shamil said, what are you using to >>>> determine the focus? Screen.ActiveControl? >>>> >>>> <<2) TxtBox.Text is not available unless the control has the focus.>> >>>> >>>> That would be correct. .Oldvalue is the record prior to editing, >>>> >>> .Value >>> >>>> is the current value or the control, and .text is the keystroke buffer >>>> before it has been committed to the control. >>>> >>>> <<3) ONLY txtbox.Text has the actual value in the control for each >>>> character typed in. TxtBox.Value is only updated when the control >>>> loses the focus.>> >>>> >>>> Correct. >>>> >>>> <<4) So at least one record has to be displayed in the form BEFORE the >>>> search can be used.>> >>>> >>>> Don't get that. I use unbound controls all the time for searches. >>>> >>>> Jim. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 02:44 PM >>>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com >>>> Subject: [AccessD] I just gotta vent >>>> >>>> Trying to do some search kind of stuff using a text box to allow a >>>> user <> >>>> >>>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Fri Dec 13 10:57:58 2013 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 11:57:58 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] I just gotta vent In-Reply-To: <52AB198B.1050206@gmail.com> References: <52AA11F6.7070300@gmail.com> <52AB198B.1050206@gmail.com> Message-ID: You sure you have the right control name? I just tried this here in A2000 and A2010 and it works fine. I've never heard of anyone with this bug either. I placed an unbound control in the header of a form, and another control in the detail section. Worked whether the form was bound or not. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 09:28 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] I just gotta vent >Not sure I follow that. As Shamil said, what are you using to determine the focus? Screen.ActiveControl? The control HAS the focus. I am TYPING IN IT. In the ONCHANGE event I ask for ThixCtl.text and am told "the text property is only available if the control has the focus" EXCUSE ME? How can the OnChange be firing if the control does not have the focus. "By design" means that we have pretty toolbars to design and haven't got time to fix bugs that have been around for TEN YEARS. > Don't get that. I use unbound controls all the time for searches. I don't doubt that. What you DON'T do is use the .text property to do it because "the control doesn't have the focus". Even though I am TYPING IN IT. BUG folks. Understand that this works just fine IF the (bound) form had a recordset displaying something. But think about it. This is an EDIT form. There should not be a new record, this is for editing existing records. The user is not allowed to enter new records. There should not be "some fake record just to allow this to work". The form should be blank and I should be able to do exactly what I am doing in order to select some value to go get existing records. jwc On 12/13/2013 8:38 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: > <<1) The text box CAN ACCEPT the focus but Access refuses to believe that > it has the focus IF there is no data in the form.>> > > Not sure I follow that. As Shamil said, what are you using to determine > the focus? Screen.ActiveControl? > > <<2) TxtBox.Text is not available unless the control has the focus.>> > > That would be correct. .Oldvalue is the record prior to editing, .Value > is the current value or the control, and .text is the keystroke buffer > before it has been committed to the control. > > <<3) ONLY txtbox.Text has the actual value in the control for each > character typed in. TxtBox.Value is only updated when the control loses > the focus.>> > > Correct. > > <<4) So at least one record has to be displayed in the form BEFORE the > search can be used.>> > > Don't get that. I use unbound controls all the time for searches. > > Jim. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 02:44 PM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [AccessD] I just gotta vent > > Trying to do some search kind of stuff using a text box to allow a user > <> > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Fri Dec 13 11:59:37 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 09:59:37 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] I just gotta vent In-Reply-To: <52AB198B.1050206@gmail.com> References: <52AA11F6.7070300@gmail.com> <52AB198B.1050206@gmail.com> Message-ID: John, where are you seeing the exception? Is it in a popup error message or when you're stepping through the code? The text property isn't available from the IDE as I recall, because the focus is in the IDE. Anybody else have a different experience with that? It sounds like you want to make the textbox behave like the textbox portion of a combobox. I generally force the user to click a search button or something to make sure the textbox value is available. Charlotte. On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 6:28 AM, John Colby wrote: > >Not sure I follow that. As Shamil said, what are you using to determine > the focus? Screen.ActiveControl? > > The control HAS the focus. I am TYPING IN IT. In the ONCHANGE event I > ask for ThixCtl.text and am told "the text property is only available if > the control has the focus" > > EXCUSE ME? > > How can the OnChange be firing if the control does not have the focus. > > "By design" means that we have pretty toolbars to design and haven't got > time to fix bugs that have been around for TEN YEARS. > > > > Don't get that. I use unbound controls all the time for searches. > > I don't doubt that. What you DON'T do is use the .text property to do it > because "the control doesn't have the focus". Even though I am TYPING IN > IT. > > BUG folks. > > Understand that this works just fine IF the (bound) form had a recordset > displaying something. But think about it. This is an EDIT form. There > should not be a new record, this is for editing existing records. The user > is not allowed to enter new records. There should not be "some fake record > just to allow this to work". The form should be blank and I should be able > to do exactly what I am doing in order to select some value to go get > existing records. > > jwc > > > On 12/13/2013 8:38 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: > >> <<1) The text box CAN ACCEPT the focus but Access refuses to believe that >> it has the focus IF there is no data in the form.>> >> >> Not sure I follow that. As Shamil said, what are you using to determine >> the focus? Screen.ActiveControl? >> >> <<2) TxtBox.Text is not available unless the control has the focus.>> >> >> That would be correct. .Oldvalue is the record prior to editing, >> .Value >> is the current value or the control, and .text is the keystroke buffer >> before it has been committed to the control. >> >> <<3) ONLY txtbox.Text has the actual value in the control for each >> character typed in. TxtBox.Value is only updated when the control loses >> the focus.>> >> >> Correct. >> >> <<4) So at least one record has to be displayed in the form BEFORE the >> search can be used.>> >> >> Don't get that. I use unbound controls all the time for searches. >> >> Jim. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby >> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 02:44 PM >> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com >> Subject: [AccessD] I just gotta vent >> >> Trying to do some search kind of stuff using a text box to allow a user >> <> >> >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Fri Dec 13 12:02:13 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 10:02:13 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Application - Running Under Win-764-Bitwith Office 2010 32-bit In-Reply-To: References: <006c01cef211$7eea8e70$7cbfab50$@comcast.net> <5957ED15F9754F108684B9077B1496F7@HAL9007> <053f01cef7ac$77b2df90$67189eb0$@gmail.com> <000001cef80c$38f74bf0$aae5e3d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: As far as I recall, both versions come with the package, and you install the one you want. Charlotte On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 8:32 AM, Brad Marks wrote: > David, > > Thanks for the info. > > I have not been in the position of purchasing company hardware and > software before. > > I have been asked to help with this in the next couple days so that the > purchases can be in 2013 for tax purposes. > > It looks like we may buy Dell PCs with Win-7 Pro 64-bit. > > We will probably purchase Office 2010 from another source. > > When I look at Office 2010 on other websites, I have not seen the option > to specify 32-bit or 64-bit when ordering Office 2010. > > This is really dumb, but I don't understand how force Office 2010 to be > 32-bit. > > Is this specified in the install process? > > Does it matter that we are installing Office 2010 on a Win-7 64 bit PC? > > If anyone can shed light on these questions, I would be most grateful. > > Thanks, > Brad > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of David A Gibson > Sent: Fri 12/13/2013 8:04 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Application - Running Under > Win-764-Bitwith Office 2010 32-bit > > We're using Win 7 64-bit with Office 2010 32-bit. I work for a university > and we do bulk licensing with MS and it provides lots of options. We opted > for the 32-bit version of Office as the 64-bit version was less robust and > had some issues. > > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 8:41 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Application - Running Under Win-7 > 64-Bitwith Office 2010 32-bit > > David, > > Thanks for the help. > > I spent some time on Dell's website and on an online Chat with a Dell rep. > > It sounds like we cannot get Office 32-bit pre-installed by Dell. > > We may need to purchase Office 2010 32-bit from another source and install > it ourselves. > > Brad > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of David A. Gibson > Sent: Thu 12/12/2013 8:38 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Application - Running Under Win-7 > 64-Bitwith Office 2010 32-bit > > As long as it was written in an Office 32-bit version, it should run just > fine in a Windows 64-bit environment. We do it every day. > > David Gibson > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 8:09 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Application - Running Under Win-7 64-Bit > with > Office 2010 32-bit > > All, > > We are considering the replacement of several PCs in the near future. > > I have built an Access 2007 application that may need to run under > Windows-7 > 64 Bit with Office 2010 32-bit. > > It is my understanding that this should work Okay. > > Is this correct? > > Thanks, > Brad > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. > Click here to report this message as spam. > http://h0stname/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=2281A27DED.A6B8F > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. > Click here to report this message as spam. > http://h0stname/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=A496027ED2.7ACCA > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From jwcolby at gmail.com Fri Dec 13 12:26:36 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 13:26:36 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] I just gotta vent In-Reply-To: References: <52AA11F6.7070300@gmail.com> <52AB198B.1050206@gmail.com> Message-ID: <52AB515C.1060208@gmail.com> LOL, Charlotte... From my immediate previous response... The control HAS the focus. I am TYPING IN IT. In the ONCHANGE event I ask for ThixCtl.text and am told "the text property is only available if the control has the focus" Understand this appears to be a "special case" that a million others are complaining about on Google, and have since the early 2000s. 1) Bound form 2) No data displayed on the form. IOW all of the controls themselves in the detail sections are not displayed at all. On 12/13/2013 12:59 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > John, where are you seeing the exception? Is it in a popup error message > or when you're stepping through the code? The text property isn't > available from the IDE as I recall, because the focus is in the IDE. > Anybody else have a different experience with that? It sounds like you > want to make the textbox behave like the textbox portion of a combobox. I > generally force the user to click a search button or something to make sure > the textbox value is available. > > Charlotte. > > > On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 6:28 AM, John Colby wrote: > >>> Not sure I follow that. As Shamil said, what are you using to determine >> the focus? Screen.ActiveControl? >> >> The control HAS the focus. I am TYPING IN IT. In the ONCHANGE event I >> ask for ThixCtl.text and am told "the text property is only available if >> the control has the focus" >> >> EXCUSE ME? >> >> How can the OnChange be firing if the control does not have the focus. >> >> "By design" means that we have pretty toolbars to design and haven't got >> time to fix bugs that have been around for TEN YEARS. >> >> >>> Don't get that. I use unbound controls all the time for searches. >> I don't doubt that. What you DON'T do is use the .text property to do it >> because "the control doesn't have the focus". Even though I am TYPING IN >> IT. >> >> BUG folks. >> >> Understand that this works just fine IF the (bound) form had a recordset >> displaying something. But think about it. This is an EDIT form. There >> should not be a new record, this is for editing existing records. The user >> is not allowed to enter new records. There should not be "some fake record >> just to allow this to work". The form should be blank and I should be able >> to do exactly what I am doing in order to select some value to go get >> existing records. >> >> jwc >> >> >> On 12/13/2013 8:38 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: >> >>> <<1) The text box CAN ACCEPT the focus but Access refuses to believe that >>> it has the focus IF there is no data in the form.>> >>> >>> Not sure I follow that. As Shamil said, what are you using to determine >>> the focus? Screen.ActiveControl? >>> >>> <<2) TxtBox.Text is not available unless the control has the focus.>> >>> >>> That would be correct. .Oldvalue is the record prior to editing, >>> .Value >>> is the current value or the control, and .text is the keystroke buffer >>> before it has been committed to the control. >>> >>> <<3) ONLY txtbox.Text has the actual value in the control for each >>> character typed in. TxtBox.Value is only updated when the control loses >>> the focus.>> >>> >>> Correct. >>> >>> <<4) So at least one record has to be displayed in the form BEFORE the >>> search can be used.>> >>> >>> Don't get that. I use unbound controls all the time for searches. >>> >>> Jim. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby >>> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 02:44 PM >>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com >>> Subject: [AccessD] I just gotta vent >>> >>> Trying to do some search kind of stuff using a text box to allow a user >>> <> >>> >>> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Fri Dec 13 12:38:07 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 10:38:07 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] I just gotta vent In-Reply-To: <52AB515C.1060208@gmail.com> References: <52AA11F6.7070300@gmail.com> <52AB198B.1050206@gmail.com> <52AB515C.1060208@gmail.com> Message-ID: Does the GotFocus event fire when you enter the textbox? Charlotte On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 10:26 AM, John Colby wrote: > LOL, Charlotte... > > From my immediate previous response... > > > The control HAS the focus. I am TYPING IN IT. In the ONCHANGE event I > ask for ThixCtl.text and am told "the text property is only available if > the control has the focus" > > Understand this appears to be a "special case" that a million others are > complaining about on Google, and have since the early 2000s. > > 1) Bound form > 2) No data displayed on the form. IOW all of the controls themselves in > the detail sections are not displayed at all. > > > > On 12/13/2013 12:59 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > >> John, where are you seeing the exception? Is it in a popup error message >> or when you're stepping through the code? The text property isn't >> available from the IDE as I recall, because the focus is in the IDE. >> Anybody else have a different experience with that? It sounds like you >> want to make the textbox behave like the textbox portion of a combobox. I >> generally force the user to click a search button or something to make >> sure >> the textbox value is available. >> >> Charlotte. >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 6:28 AM, John Colby wrote: >> >> Not sure I follow that. As Shamil said, what are you using to determine >>>> >>> the focus? Screen.ActiveControl? >>> >>> The control HAS the focus. I am TYPING IN IT. In the ONCHANGE event I >>> ask for ThixCtl.text and am told "the text property is only available if >>> the control has the focus" >>> >>> EXCUSE ME? >>> >>> How can the OnChange be firing if the control does not have the focus. >>> >>> "By design" means that we have pretty toolbars to design and haven't got >>> time to fix bugs that have been around for TEN YEARS. >>> >>> >>> Don't get that. I use unbound controls all the time for searches. >>>> >>> I don't doubt that. What you DON'T do is use the .text property to do it >>> because "the control doesn't have the focus". Even though I am TYPING IN >>> IT. >>> >>> BUG folks. >>> >>> Understand that this works just fine IF the (bound) form had a recordset >>> displaying something. But think about it. This is an EDIT form. There >>> should not be a new record, this is for editing existing records. The >>> user >>> is not allowed to enter new records. There should not be "some fake >>> record >>> just to allow this to work". The form should be blank and I should be >>> able >>> to do exactly what I am doing in order to select some value to go get >>> existing records. >>> >>> jwc >>> >>> >>> On 12/13/2013 8:38 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: >>> >>> <<1) The text box CAN ACCEPT the focus but Access refuses to believe >>>> that >>>> it has the focus IF there is no data in the form.>> >>>> >>>> Not sure I follow that. As Shamil said, what are you using to determine >>>> the focus? Screen.ActiveControl? >>>> >>>> <<2) TxtBox.Text is not available unless the control has the focus.>> >>>> >>>> That would be correct. .Oldvalue is the record prior to editing, >>>> .Value >>>> is the current value or the control, and .text is the keystroke buffer >>>> before it has been committed to the control. >>>> >>>> <<3) ONLY txtbox.Text has the actual value in the control for each >>>> character typed in. TxtBox.Value is only updated when the control loses >>>> the focus.>> >>>> >>>> Correct. >>>> >>>> <<4) So at least one record has to be displayed in the form BEFORE the >>>> search can be used.>> >>>> >>>> Don't get that. I use unbound controls all the time for searches. >>>> >>>> Jim. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 02:44 PM >>>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com >>>> Subject: [AccessD] I just gotta vent >>>> >>>> Trying to do some search kind of stuff using a text box to allow a user >>>> <> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Fri Dec 13 12:38:31 2013 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 12:38:31 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] I just gotta vent In-Reply-To: <52AB515C.1060208@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201312131838.rBDIcXv0005741@databaseadvisors.com> Hey John You thick as brick. Do not do it OnChange, try KeyUp or KeyDown. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby Sent: December-13-13 12:27 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] I just gotta vent LOL, Charlotte... From my immediate previous response... The control HAS the focus. I am TYPING IN IT. In the ONCHANGE event I ask for ThixCtl.text and am told "the text property is only available if the control has the focus" Understand this appears to be a "special case" that a million others are complaining about on Google, and have since the early 2000s. 1) Bound form 2) No data displayed on the form. IOW all of the controls themselves in the detail sections are not displayed at all. On 12/13/2013 12:59 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > John, where are you seeing the exception? Is it in a popup error message > or when you're stepping through the code? The text property isn't > available from the IDE as I recall, because the focus is in the IDE. > Anybody else have a different experience with that? It sounds like you > want to make the textbox behave like the textbox portion of a combobox. I > generally force the user to click a search button or something to make sure > the textbox value is available. > > Charlotte. > > > On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 6:28 AM, John Colby wrote: > >>> Not sure I follow that. As Shamil said, what are you using to determine >> the focus? Screen.ActiveControl? >> >> The control HAS the focus. I am TYPING IN IT. In the ONCHANGE event I >> ask for ThixCtl.text and am told "the text property is only available if >> the control has the focus" >> >> EXCUSE ME? >> >> How can the OnChange be firing if the control does not have the focus. >> >> "By design" means that we have pretty toolbars to design and haven't got >> time to fix bugs that have been around for TEN YEARS. >> >> >>> Don't get that. I use unbound controls all the time for searches. >> I don't doubt that. What you DON'T do is use the .text property to do it >> because "the control doesn't have the focus". Even though I am TYPING IN >> IT. >> >> BUG folks. >> >> Understand that this works just fine IF the (bound) form had a recordset >> displaying something. But think about it. This is an EDIT form. There >> should not be a new record, this is for editing existing records. The user >> is not allowed to enter new records. There should not be "some fake record >> just to allow this to work". The form should be blank and I should be able >> to do exactly what I am doing in order to select some value to go get >> existing records. >> >> jwc >> >> >> On 12/13/2013 8:38 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: >> >>> <<1) The text box CAN ACCEPT the focus but Access refuses to believe that >>> it has the focus IF there is no data in the form.>> >>> >>> Not sure I follow that. As Shamil said, what are you using to determine >>> the focus? Screen.ActiveControl? >>> >>> <<2) TxtBox.Text is not available unless the control has the focus.>> >>> >>> That would be correct. .Oldvalue is the record prior to editing, >>> .Value >>> is the current value or the control, and .text is the keystroke buffer >>> before it has been committed to the control. >>> >>> <<3) ONLY txtbox.Text has the actual value in the control for each >>> character typed in. TxtBox.Value is only updated when the control loses >>> the focus.>> >>> >>> Correct. >>> >>> <<4) So at least one record has to be displayed in the form BEFORE the >>> search can be used.>> >>> >>> Don't get that. I use unbound controls all the time for searches. >>> >>> Jim. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby >>> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 02:44 PM >>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com >>> Subject: [AccessD] I just gotta vent >>> >>> Trying to do some search kind of stuff using a text box to allow a user >>> <> >>> >>> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbdoug at gmail.com Fri Dec 13 13:04:04 2013 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 11:04:04 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] I just gotta vent In-Reply-To: <201312131838.rBDIcXv0005741@databaseadvisors.com> References: <52AB515C.1060208@gmail.com> <201312131838.rBDIcXv0005741@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Just off the top of my head - I've avoided problems with forms with no data by putting the actual data bound form in a subform of a 'dummy' parent form. I don't know if this would help you or not. Doug On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey John > You thick as brick. Do not do it OnChange, try KeyUp or KeyDown. > > Tony Septav > Nanaimo, BC > Canada > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby > Sent: December-13-13 12:27 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] I just gotta vent > > LOL, Charlotte... > > From my immediate previous response... > > The control HAS the focus. I am TYPING IN IT. In the ONCHANGE event I > ask for ThixCtl.text and am told "the text property is only available if > the control has the focus" > > Understand this appears to be a "special case" that a million others are > complaining about on Google, and have since the early 2000s. > > 1) Bound form > 2) No data displayed on the form. IOW all of the controls themselves in > the > detail sections are not displayed at all. > > > On 12/13/2013 12:59 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > > John, where are you seeing the exception? Is it in a popup error message > > or when you're stepping through the code? The text property isn't > > available from the IDE as I recall, because the focus is in the IDE. > > Anybody else have a different experience with that? It sounds like you > > want to make the textbox behave like the textbox portion of a combobox. > I > > generally force the user to click a search button or something to make > sure > > the textbox value is available. > > > > Charlotte. > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 6:28 AM, John Colby wrote: > > > >>> Not sure I follow that. As Shamil said, what are you using to determine > >> the focus? Screen.ActiveControl? > >> > >> The control HAS the focus. I am TYPING IN IT. In the ONCHANGE event I > >> ask for ThixCtl.text and am told "the text property is only available if > >> the control has the focus" > >> > >> EXCUSE ME? > >> > >> How can the OnChange be firing if the control does not have the focus. > >> > >> "By design" means that we have pretty toolbars to design and haven't got > >> time to fix bugs that have been around for TEN YEARS. > >> > >> > >>> Don't get that. I use unbound controls all the time for searches. > >> I don't doubt that. What you DON'T do is use the .text property to do > it > >> because "the control doesn't have the focus". Even though I am TYPING > IN > >> IT. > >> > >> BUG folks. > >> > >> Understand that this works just fine IF the (bound) form had a recordset > >> displaying something. But think about it. This is an EDIT form. There > >> should not be a new record, this is for editing existing records. The > user > >> is not allowed to enter new records. There should not be "some fake > record > >> just to allow this to work". The form should be blank and I should be > able > >> to do exactly what I am doing in order to select some value to go get > >> existing records. > >> > >> jwc > >> > >> > >> On 12/13/2013 8:38 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: > >> > >>> <<1) The text box CAN ACCEPT the focus but Access refuses to believe > that > >>> it has the focus IF there is no data in the form.>> > >>> > >>> Not sure I follow that. As Shamil said, what are you using to > determine > >>> the focus? Screen.ActiveControl? > >>> > >>> <<2) TxtBox.Text is not available unless the control has the focus.>> > >>> > >>> That would be correct. .Oldvalue is the record prior to editing, > >>> .Value > >>> is the current value or the control, and .text is the keystroke buffer > >>> before it has been committed to the control. > >>> > >>> <<3) ONLY txtbox.Text has the actual value in the control for each > >>> character typed in. TxtBox.Value is only updated when the control > loses > >>> the focus.>> > >>> > >>> Correct. > >>> > >>> <<4) So at least one record has to be displayed in the form BEFORE the > >>> search can be used.>> > >>> > >>> Don't get that. I use unbound controls all the time for searches. > >>> > >>> Jim. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > >>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby > >>> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 02:44 PM > >>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > >>> Subject: [AccessD] I just gotta vent > >>> > >>> Trying to do some search kind of stuff using a text box to allow a user > >>> <> > >>> > >>> > >> -- > >> AccessD mailing list > >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From dbdoug at gmail.com Fri Dec 13 13:06:01 2013 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 11:06:01 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] I just gotta vent In-Reply-To: References: <52AB515C.1060208@gmail.com> <201312131838.rBDIcXv0005741@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Sorry, didn't finish my thought. Your search textbox would be in the parent form, so it wouldn't get confused by the empty subform. Doug On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Doug Steele wrote: > Just off the top of my head - I've avoided problems with forms with no > data by putting the actual data bound form in a subform of a 'dummy' parent > form. I don't know if this would help you or not. > > Doug > > > On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Tony Septav wrote: > >> Hey John >> You thick as brick. Do not do it OnChange, try KeyUp or KeyDown. >> >> Tony Septav >> Nanaimo, BC >> Canada >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby >> Sent: December-13-13 12:27 PM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I just gotta vent >> >> LOL, Charlotte... >> >> From my immediate previous response... >> >> The control HAS the focus. I am TYPING IN IT. In the ONCHANGE event I >> ask for ThixCtl.text and am told "the text property is only available if >> the control has the focus" >> >> Understand this appears to be a "special case" that a million others are >> complaining about on Google, and have since the early 2000s. >> >> 1) Bound form >> 2) No data displayed on the form. IOW all of the controls themselves in >> the >> detail sections are not displayed at all. >> >> >> On 12/13/2013 12:59 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: >> > John, where are you seeing the exception? Is it in a popup error >> message >> > or when you're stepping through the code? The text property isn't >> > available from the IDE as I recall, because the focus is in the IDE. >> > Anybody else have a different experience with that? It sounds like >> you >> > want to make the textbox behave like the textbox portion of a combobox. >> I >> > generally force the user to click a search button or something to make >> sure >> > the textbox value is available. >> > >> > Charlotte. >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 6:28 AM, John Colby wrote: >> > >> >>> Not sure I follow that. As Shamil said, what are you using to >> determine >> >> the focus? Screen.ActiveControl? >> >> >> >> The control HAS the focus. I am TYPING IN IT. In the ONCHANGE event I >> >> ask for ThixCtl.text and am told "the text property is only available >> if >> >> the control has the focus" >> >> >> >> EXCUSE ME? >> >> >> >> How can the OnChange be firing if the control does not have the focus. >> >> >> >> "By design" means that we have pretty toolbars to design and haven't >> got >> >> time to fix bugs that have been around for TEN YEARS. >> >> >> >> >> >>> Don't get that. I use unbound controls all the time for searches. >> >> I don't doubt that. What you DON'T do is use the .text property to do >> it >> >> because "the control doesn't have the focus". Even though I am TYPING >> IN >> >> IT. >> >> >> >> BUG folks. >> >> >> >> Understand that this works just fine IF the (bound) form had a >> recordset >> >> displaying something. But think about it. This is an EDIT form. >> There >> >> should not be a new record, this is for editing existing records. The >> user >> >> is not allowed to enter new records. There should not be "some fake >> record >> >> just to allow this to work". The form should be blank and I should be >> able >> >> to do exactly what I am doing in order to select some value to go get >> >> existing records. >> >> >> >> jwc >> >> >> >> >> >> On 12/13/2013 8:38 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: >> >> >> >>> <<1) The text box CAN ACCEPT the focus but Access refuses to believe >> that >> >>> it has the focus IF there is no data in the form.>> >> >>> >> >>> Not sure I follow that. As Shamil said, what are you using to >> determine >> >>> the focus? Screen.ActiveControl? >> >>> >> >>> <<2) TxtBox.Text is not available unless the control has the focus.>> >> >>> >> >>> That would be correct. .Oldvalue is the record prior to editing, >> >>> .Value >> >>> is the current value or the control, and .text is the keystroke buffer >> >>> before it has been committed to the control. >> >>> >> >>> <<3) ONLY txtbox.Text has the actual value in the control for each >> >>> character typed in. TxtBox.Value is only updated when the control >> loses >> >>> the focus.>> >> >>> >> >>> Correct. >> >>> >> >>> <<4) So at least one record has to be displayed in the form BEFORE the >> >>> search can be used.>> >> >>> >> >>> Don't get that. I use unbound controls all the time for searches. >> >>> >> >>> Jim. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >> >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> >>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby >> >>> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 02:44 PM >> >>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com >> >>> Subject: [AccessD] I just gotta vent >> >>> >> >>> Trying to do some search kind of stuff using a text box to allow a >> user >> >>> <> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> -- >> >> AccessD mailing list >> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > From jwcolby at gmail.com Fri Dec 13 13:15:39 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 14:15:39 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] I just gotta vent In-Reply-To: References: <52AB515C.1060208@gmail.com> <201312131838.rBDIcXv0005741@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <52AB5CDB.6050901@gmail.com> Yep. All to work around a bug which is pretty annoying and which MS is too busy to fix. How can you not fix a bug where a form hasn't a clue that the control with the focus HAS the focus. On 12/13/2013 2:06 PM, Doug Steele wrote: > Sorry, didn't finish my thought. Your search textbox would be in the > parent form, so it wouldn't get confused by the empty subform. > > Doug > > > On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Doug Steele wrote: > >> Just off the top of my head - I've avoided problems with forms with no >> data by putting the actual data bound form in a subform of a 'dummy' parent >> form. I don't know if this would help you or not. >> >> Doug >> >> >> From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Fri Dec 13 13:25:55 2013 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 13:25:55 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] I just gotta vent In-Reply-To: <52AB5CDB.6050901@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201312131925.rBDJPv0J005843@databaseadvisors.com> Hey John You do not listen you old fart, time for hot milk and toast and a little siesta on the couch. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby Sent: December-13-13 1:16 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] I just gotta vent Yep. All to work around a bug which is pretty annoying and which MS is too busy to fix. How can you not fix a bug where a form hasn't a clue that the control with the focus HAS the focus. On 12/13/2013 2:06 PM, Doug Steele wrote: > Sorry, didn't finish my thought. Your search textbox would be in the > parent form, so it wouldn't get confused by the empty subform. > > Doug > > > On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Doug Steele wrote: > >> Just off the top of my head - I've avoided problems with forms with no >> data by putting the actual data bound form in a subform of a 'dummy' parent >> form. I don't know if this would help you or not. >> >> Doug >> >> >> -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at gmail.com Fri Dec 13 13:31:27 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 14:31:27 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] I just gotta vent In-Reply-To: <201312131925.rBDJPv0J005843@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201312131925.rBDJPv0J005843@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <52AB608F.3090803@gmail.com> LOL, I listen. I did say "I just gotta vent" did I not? I haven't heard anyone say it isn't a bug, except for Shamil IIRC who called it "by design". And he doesn't bother to explain wht a bug is "by design". In fact, isn't EVERY bug "by design"? I mean we design the bug, but we normally try to fix them. Tony, there's a million ways to skin a cat. The point is that I shouldn't have to try a dozen cuts to find one that works. The damned cat is complaining. On 12/13/2013 2:25 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey John > You do not listen you old fart, time for hot milk and toast and a little > siesta on the couch. > > Tony Septav > Nanaimo, BC > Canada > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby > Sent: December-13-13 1:16 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] I just gotta vent > > Yep. All to work around a bug which is pretty annoying and which MS is > too busy to fix. How can you not fix a bug where a form hasn't a clue > that the control with the focus HAS the focus. > > On 12/13/2013 2:06 PM, Doug Steele wrote: >> Sorry, didn't finish my thought. Your search textbox would be in the >> parent form, so it wouldn't get confused by the empty subform. >> >> Doug >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Doug Steele wrote: >> >>> Just off the top of my head - I've avoided problems with forms with no >>> data by putting the actual data bound form in a subform of a 'dummy' > parent >>> form. I don't know if this would help you or not. >>> >>> Doug >>> >>> >>> From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Fri Dec 13 13:46:01 2013 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 13:46:01 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] I just got to vent In-Reply-To: <52AB608F.3090803@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201312131946.rBDJk31a005899@databaseadvisors.com> Hey John I love to have fun with the old warrior on this site. I never meant anything but to just laugh with you. Yes "Gosh Darn" we get frustrated and we have for years. But John I think we can call each other friends, at times you are "a duff us". Waiting for the caustic reply. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby Sent: December-13-13 1:31 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] I just gotta vent LOL, I listen. I did say "I just gotta vent" did I not? I haven't heard anyone say it isn't a bug, except for Shamil IIRC who called it "by design". And he doesn't bother to explain wht a bug is "by design". In fact, isn't EVERY bug "by design"? I mean we design the bug, but we normally try to fix them. Tony, there's a million ways to skin a cat. The point is that I shouldn't have to try a dozen cuts to find one that works. The damned cat is complaining. On 12/13/2013 2:25 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey John > You do not listen you old fart, time for hot milk and toast and a little > siesta on the couch. > > Tony Septav > Nanaimo, BC > Canada > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby > Sent: December-13-13 1:16 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] I just gotta vent > > Yep. All to work around a bug which is pretty annoying and which MS is > too busy to fix. How can you not fix a bug where a form hasn't a clue > that the control with the focus HAS the focus. > > On 12/13/2013 2:06 PM, Doug Steele wrote: >> Sorry, didn't finish my thought. Your search textbox would be in the >> parent form, so it wouldn't get confused by the empty subform. >> >> Doug >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Doug Steele wrote: >> >>> Just off the top of my head - I've avoided problems with forms with no >>> data by putting the actual data bound form in a subform of a 'dummy' > parent >>> form. I don't know if this would help you or not. >>> >>> Doug >>> >>> >>> -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at gmail.com Fri Dec 13 13:48:57 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 14:48:57 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] I just got to vent In-Reply-To: <201312131946.rBDJk31a005899@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201312131946.rBDJk31a005899@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <52AB64A9.80802@gmail.com> LOL, I know you are yankin' my chain. I am "a duffer" ;) On 12/13/2013 2:46 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey John > I love to have fun with the old warrior on this site. I never meant anything > but to just laugh with you. Yes "Gosh Darn" we get frustrated and we have > for years. But John I think we can call each other friends, at times you are > "a duff us". Waiting for the caustic reply. > > Tony Septav > Nanaimo, BC > Canada > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby > Sent: December-13-13 1:31 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] I just gotta vent > > LOL, I listen. > > I did say "I just gotta vent" did I not? I haven't heard anyone say it > isn't a bug, except for Shamil IIRC who called it "by design". And he > doesn't bother to explain wht a bug is "by design". In fact, isn't > EVERY bug "by design"? I mean we design the bug, but we normally try to > fix them. > > Tony, there's a million ways to skin a cat. The point is that I > shouldn't have to try a dozen cuts to find one that works. The damned > cat is complaining. > > On 12/13/2013 2:25 PM, Tony Septav wrote: >> Hey John >> You do not listen you old fart, time for hot milk and toast and a little >> siesta on the couch. >> >> Tony Septav >> Nanaimo, BC >> Canada >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby >> Sent: December-13-13 1:16 PM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I just gotta vent >> >> Yep. All to work around a bug which is pretty annoying and which MS is >> too busy to fix. How can you not fix a bug where a form hasn't a clue >> that the control with the focus HAS the focus. >> >> On 12/13/2013 2:06 PM, Doug Steele wrote: >>> Sorry, didn't finish my thought. Your search textbox would be in the >>> parent form, so it wouldn't get confused by the empty subform. >>> >>> Doug >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Doug Steele wrote: >>> >>>> Just off the top of my head - I've avoided problems with forms with no >>>> data by putting the actual data bound form in a subform of a 'dummy' >> parent >>>> form. I don't know if this would help you or not. >>>> >>>> Doug >>>> >>>> >>>> From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Fri Dec 13 13:54:37 2013 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 13:54:37 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] I just got to vent In-Reply-To: <52AB64A9.80802@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201312131954.rBDJsdbW005933@databaseadvisors.com> Hey John You make me laugh. Good on you (I hope I can say it "old Buddy"). Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby Sent: December-13-13 1:49 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] I just got to vent LOL, I know you are yankin' my chain. I am "a duffer" ;) On 12/13/2013 2:46 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey John > I love to have fun with the old warrior on this site. I never meant anything > but to just laugh with you. Yes "Gosh Darn" we get frustrated and we have > for years. But John I think we can call each other friends, at times you are > "a duff us". Waiting for the caustic reply. > > Tony Septav > Nanaimo, BC > Canada > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby > Sent: December-13-13 1:31 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] I just gotta vent > > LOL, I listen. > > I did say "I just gotta vent" did I not? I haven't heard anyone say it > isn't a bug, except for Shamil IIRC who called it "by design". And he > doesn't bother to explain wht a bug is "by design". In fact, isn't > EVERY bug "by design"? I mean we design the bug, but we normally try to > fix them. > > Tony, there's a million ways to skin a cat. The point is that I > shouldn't have to try a dozen cuts to find one that works. The damned > cat is complaining. > > On 12/13/2013 2:25 PM, Tony Septav wrote: >> Hey John >> You do not listen you old fart, time for hot milk and toast and a little >> siesta on the couch. >> >> Tony Septav >> Nanaimo, BC >> Canada >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby >> Sent: December-13-13 1:16 PM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I just gotta vent >> >> Yep. All to work around a bug which is pretty annoying and which MS is >> too busy to fix. How can you not fix a bug where a form hasn't a clue >> that the control with the focus HAS the focus. >> >> On 12/13/2013 2:06 PM, Doug Steele wrote: >>> Sorry, didn't finish my thought. Your search textbox would be in the >>> parent form, so it wouldn't get confused by the empty subform. >>> >>> Doug >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Doug Steele wrote: >>> >>>> Just off the top of my head - I've avoided problems with forms with no >>>> data by putting the actual data bound form in a subform of a 'dummy' >> parent >>>> form. I don't know if this would help you or not. >>>> >>>> Doug >>>> >>>> >>>> -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Dec 13 14:05:22 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 00:05:22 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?I_just_gotta_vent?= In-Reply-To: <52AB198B.1050206@gmail.com> References: <52AA11F6.7070300@gmail.com> <52AB198B.1050206@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1386965122.773077492@f31.i.mail.ru> Hi John -- I didn't know about this bug, sorry. Just out of curiosity I have: - created a bound test form, - set its recordsource to filter out all records (ID = -1); - set AllowAdditions = False; - created a search textbox named txtSearch in the form's header; - created a search value copy textbox named txtCopy in the form's header; - set OnChange event procedure to Private Sub txtSearch_Change() ? ? txtCopy.Value = txtSearch.Text End Sub - opened test form in Normal view and typed a char in txtCopy ?textbox - *bang* 2185 - You can't reference a property or method for a control unless the control has the focus. In my test I have used Win8 and MS Access 2013.? There seems to be no effective workaround of this bug. This is a typical bug case one of many others, which forced me to abandon MS Access/VBA development. Thank you. -- Shamil Friday, December 13, 2013 9:28 AM -05:00 from John Colby : >>Not sure I follow that. As Shamil said, what are you using to >determine the focus? Screen.ActiveControl? > >The control HAS the focus. I am TYPING IN IT. In the ONCHANGE event I >ask for ThixCtl.text and am told "the text property is only available if >the control has the focus" > >EXCUSE ME? > >How can the OnChange be firing if the control does not have the focus. > >"By design" means that we have pretty toolbars to design and haven't got >time to fix bugs that have been around for TEN YEARS. > >?> Don't get that. I use unbound controls all the time for searches. > >I don't doubt that. What you DON'T do is use the .text property to do >it because "the control doesn't have the focus". Even though I am >TYPING IN IT. > >BUG folks. > >Understand that this works just fine IF the (bound) form had a recordset >displaying something. But think about it. This is an EDIT form. There >should not be a new record, this is for editing existing records. The >user is not allowed to enter new records. There should not be "some fake >record just to allow this to work". The form should be blank and I >should be able to do exactly what I am doing in order to select some >value to go get existing records. > >jwc <<< skipped >>> > From jwcolby at gmail.com Fri Dec 13 14:11:44 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 15:11:44 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] I just gotta vent In-Reply-To: <1386965122.773077492@f31.i.mail.ru> References: <52AA11F6.7070300@gmail.com> <52AB198B.1050206@gmail.com> <1386965122.773077492@f31.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <52AB6A00.7060003@gmail.com> Shamil, Thanks for validating the bug. I am using Windows 7 and Access 2007. Which tells me that they haven't decided that bugs are an important thing to work on, even in 2013. Yes, on abandoning. OTOH I have a job (for IBM no less) maintaining Access databases. I am not allowed to "abandon" them. ;) On 12/13/2013 3:05 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi John -- > > I didn't know about this bug, sorry. > > Just out of curiosity I have: > > - created a bound test form, > - set its recordsource to filter out all records (ID = -1); > - set AllowAdditions = False; > - created a search textbox named txtSearch in the form's header; > - created a search value copy textbox named txtCopy in the form's header; > - set OnChange event procedure to > > Private Sub txtSearch_Change() > txtCopy.Value = txtSearch.Text > End Sub > > - opened test form in Normal view and typed a char in txtCopy textbox - *bang* > > 2185 - You can't reference a property or method for a control unless the control has the focus. > > In my test I have used Win8 and MS Access 2013. > > There seems to be no effective workaround of this bug. > > This is a typical bug case one of many others, which forced me to abandon MS Access/VBA development. > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Fri Dec 13 14:20:22 2013 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 14:20:22 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] I just gotta vent In-Reply-To: <52AB6A00.7060003@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201312132020.rBDKKOlo006016@databaseadvisors.com> Hey John Come on old one, we have known for years (since 1998) if you go up and search out ACCESS errors the list will totally dumbfound you. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby Sent: December-13-13 2:12 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] I just gotta vent Shamil, Thanks for validating the bug. I am using Windows 7 and Access 2007. Which tells me that they haven't decided that bugs are an important thing to work on, even in 2013. Yes, on abandoning. OTOH I have a job (for IBM no less) maintaining Access databases. I am not allowed to "abandon" them. ;) On 12/13/2013 3:05 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi John -- > > I didn't know about this bug, sorry. > > Just out of curiosity I have: > > - created a bound test form, > - set its recordsource to filter out all records (ID = -1); > - set AllowAdditions = False; > - created a search textbox named txtSearch in the form's header; > - created a search value copy textbox named txtCopy in the form's header; > - set OnChange event procedure to > > Private Sub txtSearch_Change() > txtCopy.Value = txtSearch.Text > End Sub > > - opened test form in Normal view and typed a char in txtCopy textbox - *bang* > > 2185 - You can't reference a property or method for a control unless the control has the focus. > > In my test I have used Win8 and MS Access 2013. > > There seems to be no effective workaround of this bug. > > This is a typical bug case one of many others, which forced me to abandon MS Access/VBA development. > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at gmail.com Fri Dec 13 14:22:37 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 15:22:37 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] I just gotta vent In-Reply-To: <201312132020.rBDKKOlo006016@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201312132020.rBDKKOlo006016@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <52AB6C8D.5080303@gmail.com> License to vent my friend, license to vent! On 12/13/2013 3:20 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey John > Come on old one, we have known for years (since 1998) if you go up and > search out ACCESS errors the list will totally dumbfound you. > > Tony Septav > Nanaimo, BC > Canada > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby > Sent: December-13-13 2:12 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] I just gotta vent > > Shamil, > > Thanks for validating the bug. I am using Windows 7 and Access 2007. > > Which tells me that they haven't decided that bugs are an important > thing to work on, even in 2013. > > Yes, on abandoning. > > OTOH I have a job (for IBM no less) maintaining Access databases. I am > not allowed to "abandon" them. ;) > > On 12/13/2013 3:05 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: >> Hi John -- >> >> I didn't know about this bug, sorry. >> >> Just out of curiosity I have: >> >> - created a bound test form, >> - set its recordsource to filter out all records (ID = -1); >> - set AllowAdditions = False; >> - created a search textbox named txtSearch in the form's header; >> - created a search value copy textbox named txtCopy in the form's header; >> - set OnChange event procedure to >> >> Private Sub txtSearch_Change() >> txtCopy.Value = txtSearch.Text >> End Sub >> >> - opened test form in Normal view and typed a char in txtCopy textbox - > *bang* >> 2185 - You can't reference a property or method for a control unless the > control has the focus. >> In my test I have used Win8 and MS Access 2013. >> >> There seems to be no effective workaround of this bug. >> >> This is a typical bug case one of many others, which forced me to abandon > MS Access/VBA development. >> Thank you. >> >> -- Shamil >> From jimdettman at verizon.net Fri Dec 13 14:38:55 2013 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 15:38:55 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] I just gotta vent In-Reply-To: <52AB6A00.7060003@gmail.com> References: <52AA11F6.7070300@gmail.com> <52AB198B.1050206@gmail.com> <1386965122.773077492@f31.i.mail.ru> <52AB6A00.7060003@gmail.com> Message-ID: I got the same thing here. It's only triggered if the form displays no records at all (part I missed in my earlier tests). << Which tells me that they haven't decided that bugs are an important thing to work on, even in 2013. >> Only if it is on the web side. Development on the desktop side is dead if anyone hasn't figured it out already. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 03:12 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] I just gotta vent Shamil, Thanks for validating the bug. I am using Windows 7 and Access 2007. Which tells me that they haven't decided that bugs are an important thing to work on, even in 2013. Yes, on abandoning. OTOH I have a job (for IBM no less) maintaining Access databases. I am not allowed to "abandon" them. ;) On 12/13/2013 3:05 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi John -- > > I didn't know about this bug, sorry. > > Just out of curiosity I have: > > - created a bound test form, > - set its recordsource to filter out all records (ID = -1); > - set AllowAdditions = False; > - created a search textbox named txtSearch in the form's header; > - created a search value copy textbox named txtCopy in the form's header; > - set OnChange event procedure to > > Private Sub txtSearch_Change() > txtCopy.Value = txtSearch.Text > End Sub > > - opened test form in Normal view and typed a char in txtCopy textbox - *bang* > > 2185 - You can't reference a property or method for a control unless the control has the focus. > > In my test I have used Win8 and MS Access 2013. > > There seems to be no effective workaround of this bug. > > This is a typical bug case one of many others, which forced me to abandon MS Access/VBA development. > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Fri Dec 13 14:45:52 2013 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 14:45:52 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] I just got to vent In-Reply-To: <52AB6C8D.5080303@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201312132045.rBDKjsen006096@databaseadvisors.com> Hey John We can vent all we want and I give you credit for doing so. But reality is they have us by the short and curlies (sorry ladies) and they always have. Myself as well as many individuals on the list could tell their horror stories dealing with MS and their blatant disregard to their ACCESS developers. Anyway my bumptious friend I am signing off. All the best to you and all the incredible individuals on this list for a Merry Christmas and the best for a prosperous New Year. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby Sent: December-13-13 2:23 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] I just gotta vent License to vent my friend, license to vent! On 12/13/2013 3:20 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey John > Come on old one, we have known for years (since 1998) if you go up and > search out ACCESS errors the list will totally dumbfound you. > > Tony Septav > Nanaimo, BC > Canada > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby > Sent: December-13-13 2:12 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] I just gotta vent > > Shamil, > > Thanks for validating the bug. I am using Windows 7 and Access 2007. > > Which tells me that they haven't decided that bugs are an important > thing to work on, even in 2013. > > Yes, on abandoning. > > OTOH I have a job (for IBM no less) maintaining Access databases. I am > not allowed to "abandon" them. ;) > > On 12/13/2013 3:05 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: >> Hi John -- >> >> I didn't know about this bug, sorry. >> >> Just out of curiosity I have: >> >> - created a bound test form, >> - set its recordsource to filter out all records (ID = -1); >> - set AllowAdditions = False; >> - created a search textbox named txtSearch in the form's header; >> - created a search value copy textbox named txtCopy in the form's header; >> - set OnChange event procedure to >> >> Private Sub txtSearch_Change() >> txtCopy.Value = txtSearch.Text >> End Sub >> >> - opened test form in Normal view and typed a char in txtCopy textbox - > *bang* >> 2185 - You can't reference a property or method for a control unless the > control has the focus. >> In my test I have used Win8 and MS Access 2013. >> >> There seems to be no effective workaround of this bug. >> >> This is a typical bug case one of many others, which forced me to abandon > MS Access/VBA development. >> Thank you. >> >> -- Shamil >> -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Dec 13 14:52:17 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 00:52:17 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?I_just_gotta_vent?= In-Reply-To: <52AB6A00.7060003@gmail.com> References: <52AA11F6.7070300@gmail.com> <1386965122.773077492@f31.i.mail.ru> <52AB6A00.7060003@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1386967937.135347358@f410.i.mail.ru> Hi John -- <<< OTOH I have a job (for IBM no less) maintaining Access databases. I am?not allowed to "abandon" them. ;) >>> Yes, I know. Good for you - I guess you should get a good retirement plan working for them - lucky man! Better stay there, don't abandon nor "buggy" MS Access nor wealthy IBM ;) So to "effectively" workaround ?the issue you'll probably have to use a subform with an unbound parent "search" form as it was already proposed here. Thank you. -- Shamil Friday, December 13, 2013 3:11 PM -05:00 from John Colby : >Shamil, > >Thanks for validating the bug. I am using Windows 7 and Access 2007. > >Which tells me that they haven't decided that bugs are an important >thing to work on, even in 2013. > >Yes, on abandoning. > >OTOH I have a job (for IBM no less) maintaining Access databases. I am >not allowed to "abandon" them. ;) > >On 12/13/2013 3:05 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: >> Hi John -- >> >> I didn't know about this bug, sorry. >> >> Just out of curiosity I have: >> >> - created a bound test form, >> - set its recordsource to filter out all records (ID = -1); >> - set AllowAdditions = False; >> - created a search textbox named txtSearch in the form's header; >> - created a search value copy textbox named txtCopy in the form's header; >> - set OnChange event procedure to >> >> Private Sub txtSearch_Change() >> txtCopy.Value = txtSearch.Text >> End Sub >> >> - opened test form in Normal view and typed a char in txtCopy textbox - *bang* >> >> 2185 - You can't reference a property or method for a control unless the control has the focus. >> >> In my test I have used Win8 and MS Access 2013. >> >> There seems to be no effective workaround of this bug. >> >> This is a typical bug case one of many others, which forced me to abandon MS Access/VBA development. >> >> Thank you. >> >> -- Shamil >> From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Dec 13 15:25:40 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 16:25:40 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Mso hell Message-ID: I'm trying to choose some images to use with a ribbon I'm designing, and the problem is the sheer number of them. Specifically, I want the ones associated with the Access filter commands, plus the sort ones such as A-Z and Z-A. I don't suppose that anyone has those MsoIDs handy? -- Arthur From davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com Fri Dec 13 15:38:35 2013 From: davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com (David A Gibson) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 15:38:35 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Mso hell In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <009801cef84b$adf6a060$09e3e120$@gmail.com> See if this helps. http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=3582 David Gibson -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 3:26 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Mso hell I'm trying to choose some images to use with a ribbon I'm designing, and the problem is the sheer number of them. Specifically, I want the ones associated with the Access filter commands, plus the sort ones such as A-Z and Z-A. I don't suppose that anyone has those MsoIDs handy? -- Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Dec 13 15:55:09 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 16:55:09 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Mso hell In-Reply-To: <009801cef84b$adf6a060$09e3e120$@gmail.com> References: <009801cef84b$adf6a060$09e3e120$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks, David. I hope it helps, too. Arthur From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Fri Dec 13 16:00:27 2013 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 16:00:27 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Venting Message-ID: <201312132200.rBDM0Ton006297@databaseadvisors.com> Hey All Things are going weird on my machine, time to put on the tin foil hat. Hey John We can vent all we want and I give you credit for doing so. But reality is they have us by the short and curlies (sorry ladies) and they always have. Myself as well as many individuals on the list could tell their horror stories dealing with MS and their blatant disregard to their ACCESS developers. Anyway my bumptious friend I am signing off. All the best to you and all the incredible individuals on this list for a Merry Christmas and the best for a prosperous New Year. From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Fri Dec 13 16:41:18 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 14:41:18 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] I just gotta vent In-Reply-To: References: <52AA11F6.7070300@gmail.com> <52AB198B.1050206@gmail.com> <1386965122.773077492@f31.i.mail.ru> <52AB6A00.7060003@gmail.com> Message-ID: Jim, It may take a bit more killing IMO. I've got a division of a State of California governmental department that specified an Access database so they could avoid the problems their parent department encountered (and presumably still encounter) with a large IT-sanctioned system design. These guys wanted to learn from their department's mistakes. Charlotte On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Jim Dettman wrote: > > I got the same thing here. It's only triggered if the form displays no > records at all (part I missed in my earlier tests). > > << > Which tells me that they haven't decided that bugs are an important > thing to work on, even in 2013. > >> > > Only if it is on the web side. > > Development on the desktop side is dead if anyone hasn't figured it out > already. > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby > Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 03:12 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] I just gotta vent > > Shamil, > > Thanks for validating the bug. I am using Windows 7 and Access 2007. > > Which tells me that they haven't decided that bugs are an important > thing to work on, even in 2013. > > Yes, on abandoning. > > OTOH I have a job (for IBM no less) maintaining Access databases. I am > not allowed to "abandon" them. ;) > > On 12/13/2013 3:05 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > > Hi John -- > > > > I didn't know about this bug, sorry. > > > > Just out of curiosity I have: > > > > - created a bound test form, > > - set its recordsource to filter out all records (ID = -1); > > - set AllowAdditions = False; > > - created a search textbox named txtSearch in the form's header; > > - created a search value copy textbox named txtCopy in the form's header; > > - set OnChange event procedure to > > > > Private Sub txtSearch_Change() > > txtCopy.Value = txtSearch.Text > > End Sub > > > > - opened test form in Normal view and typed a char in txtCopy textbox - > *bang* > > > > 2185 - You can't reference a property or method for a control unless the > control has the focus. > > > > In my test I have used Win8 and MS Access 2013. > > > > There seems to be no effective workaround of this bug. > > > > This is a typical bug case one of many others, which forced me to abandon > MS Access/VBA development. > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at gmail.com Fri Dec 13 16:49:06 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 17:49:06 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] I just gotta vent In-Reply-To: References: <52AA11F6.7070300@gmail.com> <52AB198B.1050206@gmail.com> <1386965122.773077492@f31.i.mail.ru> <52AB6A00.7060003@gmail.com> Message-ID: <52AB8EE2.7070709@gmail.com> Yea, I agree Charlotte. IBM doesn't like Access but they also consider web (browser) based apps a security weakness FWICT. So while they do actively discourage Access, they replace it with another desktop app, in C# or java. John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 12/13/2013 5:41 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > Jim, > > It may take a bit more killing IMO. I've got a division of a State of > California governmental department that specified an Access database so > they could avoid the problems their parent department encountered (and > presumably still encounter) with a large IT-sanctioned system design. > These guys wanted to learn from their department's mistakes. > > Charlotte > > > On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Jim Dettman wrote: > >> I got the same thing here. It's only triggered if the form displays no >> records at all (part I missed in my earlier tests). >> >> << >> Which tells me that they haven't decided that bugs are an important >> thing to work on, even in 2013. >> Only if it is on the web side. >> >> Development on the desktop side is dead if anyone hasn't figured it out >> already. >> >> Jim. >> From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Dec 13 19:29:48 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 18:29:48 -0700 (MST) Subject: [AccessD] I just gotta vent In-Reply-To: <52AB26B8.2030100@gmail.com> Message-ID: <978183005.92364877.1386984588405.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi John: Use to create a seed record to handle such problems and then delete it...it was a little over the top but it seemed to do the trick. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Colby" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 7:24:40 AM Subject: Re: [AccessD] I just gotta vent The event doesn't matter. the Text property is not available. On 12/13/2013 10:22 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > John, > > I seem to recall doing almost exactly this (right down to the >=3 part) but > it was years ago so I may be foggy on how I implemented it. I think that I > used KeyDown not the other events. > > Arthur > > > On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 10:16 AM, John Colby wrote: > >> The value property isn't updated until you LEAVE the control. >> >> I am trying to : >> 1) accept user input key by key. ONLY the text property displays what the >> user is typing in AS THEY TYPE. >> 2) if the total length is >=3 then start using that in a "like" statement >> to pull records and display in the form >> 3) if the length ever is less than three blank the form (if it has >> anything displayed) >> 4) This is kinda sorta the same functionality of a combo box except I want >> to pull a recordset into the form >> >> The users want to be able to get sets of records "starting with". >> >> This isn't rocket science, in fact it is trivial IF there is at least one >> record in the form, because then the whole thing just works. As soon as >> the form goes blank this "the control does not have the focus" bug bites. >> Of course the control has the focus, I AM TYPING IN IT. >> >> So my "search form" is just a control on the edit form. >> >> >> On 12/13/2013 10:06 AM, Dan Waters wrote: >> >>> Hi John, >>> >>> From my distant memory, in Access the .text property has a purpose but is >>> very temporary - I've never used it. Try using the .Value property >>> instead >>> - which you don't really need to use because it's the default property >>> anyway. Don't use the .Text property in Access - perhaps you're thinking >>> of >>> programming in .Net which uses .Text to get the value of many controls on >>> forms? >>> >>> With your editing form, what I would do is use the information in your >>> search form to modify a query and then set the form's recordset to that >>> query. What is the mechanism you've set up for getting filtered records >>> into your form? >>> >>> Dan >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby >>> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 8:28 AM >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I just gotta vent >>> >>> >Not sure I follow that. As Shamil said, what are you using to determine >>> the focus? Screen.ActiveControl? >>> >>> The control HAS the focus. I am TYPING IN IT. In the ONCHANGE event I >>> ask >>> for ThixCtl.text and am told "the text property is only available if the >>> control has the focus" >>> >>> EXCUSE ME? >>> >>> How can the OnChange be firing if the control does not have the focus. >>> >>> "By design" means that we have pretty toolbars to design and haven't got >>> time to fix bugs that have been around for TEN YEARS. >>> >>> > Don't get that. I use unbound controls all the time for searches. >>> >>> I don't doubt that. What you DON'T do is use the .text property to do it >>> because "the control doesn't have the focus". Even though I am TYPING IN >>> IT. >>> >>> BUG folks. >>> >>> Understand that this works just fine IF the (bound) form had a recordset >>> displaying something. But think about it. This is an EDIT form. There >>> should not be a new record, this is for editing existing records. The >>> user >>> is not allowed to enter new records. There should not be "some fake record >>> just to allow this to work". The form should be blank and I should be able >>> to do exactly what I am doing in order to select some value to go get >>> existing records. >>> >>> jwc >>> >>> On 12/13/2013 8:38 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: >>> >>>> <<1) The text box CAN ACCEPT the focus but Access refuses to believe >>>> that it has the focus IF there is no data in the form.>> >>>> >>>> Not sure I follow that. As Shamil said, what are you using to >>>> determine the focus? Screen.ActiveControl? >>>> >>>> <<2) TxtBox.Text is not available unless the control has the focus.>> >>>> >>>> That would be correct. .Oldvalue is the record prior to editing, >>>> >>> .Value >>> >>>> is the current value or the control, and .text is the keystroke buffer >>>> before it has been committed to the control. >>>> >>>> <<3) ONLY txtbox.Text has the actual value in the control for each >>>> character typed in. TxtBox.Value is only updated when the control >>>> loses the focus.>> >>>> >>>> Correct. >>>> >>>> <<4) So at least one record has to be displayed in the form BEFORE the >>>> search can be used.>> >>>> >>>> Don't get that. I use unbound controls all the time for searches. >>>> >>>> Jim. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 02:44 PM >>>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com >>>> Subject: [AccessD] I just gotta vent >>>> >>>> Trying to do some search kind of stuff using a text box to allow a >>>> user <> >>>> >>>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Sat Dec 14 07:39:54 2013 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 08:39:54 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] I just gotta vent In-Reply-To: References: <52AA11F6.7070300@gmail.com> <52AB198B.1050206@gmail.com> <1386965122.773077492@f31.i.mail.ru> <52AB6A00.7060003@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0771A26BE9454C629FA67ABEC2E74B52@XPS> I'm with you. I've told them (Microsoft) flat out they needed good desktop support for the last five years and need it forward for another five years. But the whole focus of Microsoft at this point is the web and nothing but the web. I would seriously doubt you'll see anything new on the desktop side of Access anymore based on the past three releases. Everything new has been on the web side and long standing problems, bugs, and requested features have all been ignored. The only thing that might cause a reversal of that is if their bottom line tanks. Next couple of years will be interesting. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 05:41 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] I just gotta vent Jim, It may take a bit more killing IMO. I've got a division of a State of California governmental department that specified an Access database so they could avoid the problems their parent department encountered (and presumably still encounter) with a large IT-sanctioned system design. These guys wanted to learn from their department's mistakes. Charlotte On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Jim Dettman wrote: > > I got the same thing here. It's only triggered if the form displays no > records at all (part I missed in my earlier tests). > > << > Which tells me that they haven't decided that bugs are an important > thing to work on, even in 2013. > >> > > Only if it is on the web side. > > Development on the desktop side is dead if anyone hasn't figured it out > already. > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby > Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 03:12 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] I just gotta vent > > Shamil, > > Thanks for validating the bug. I am using Windows 7 and Access 2007. > > Which tells me that they haven't decided that bugs are an important > thing to work on, even in 2013. > > Yes, on abandoning. > > OTOH I have a job (for IBM no less) maintaining Access databases. I am > not allowed to "abandon" them. ;) > > On 12/13/2013 3:05 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > > Hi John -- > > > > I didn't know about this bug, sorry. > > > > Just out of curiosity I have: > > > > - created a bound test form, > > - set its recordsource to filter out all records (ID = -1); > > - set AllowAdditions = False; > > - created a search textbox named txtSearch in the form's header; > > - created a search value copy textbox named txtCopy in the form's header; > > - set OnChange event procedure to > > > > Private Sub txtSearch_Change() > > txtCopy.Value = txtSearch.Text > > End Sub > > > > - opened test form in Normal view and typed a char in txtCopy textbox - > *bang* > > > > 2185 - You can't reference a property or method for a control unless the > control has the focus. > > > > In my test I have used Win8 and MS Access 2013. > > > > There seems to be no effective workaround of this bug. > > > > This is a typical bug case one of many others, which forced me to abandon > MS Access/VBA development. > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From guss at beechnutconsulting.com Sat Dec 14 10:02:22 2013 From: guss at beechnutconsulting.com (Guss Ginsburg) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 10:02:22 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table does not show in list Message-ID: <001701cef8e5$e1747cb0$a45d7610$@beechnutconsulting.com> i imported the table into SQL Server, and it shows up on my computer in the database, but when i try to link to it, the list of tables that comes up are only system tables, and the data i am looking for is not shown. Did i leave out a step in the process of creating the db or importing the file? Sincerely yours, Guss Ginsburg From mike.tope at virginmedia.com Sat Dec 14 10:25:13 2013 From: mike.tope at virginmedia.com (Mike Tope) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 16:25:13 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired tabledoes not show in list References: <001701cef8e5$e1747cb0$a45d7610$@beechnutconsulting.com> Message-ID: <015F3EE3CC1F42939A3B96E7C58D7E36@SEDNA> Does Access see it now as dbo_tablename? If it's any other schema you'll have to GRANT SELECT as well. Mike Tope ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guss Ginsburg" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 4:02 PM Subject: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired tabledoes not show in list >i imported the table into SQL Server, and it shows up on my computer in the > database, but when i try to link to it, the list of tables that comes up > are > only system tables, and the data i am looking for is not shown. Did i > leave > out a step in the process of creating the db or importing the file? > > > > Sincerely yours, > > > > Guss Ginsburg > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From randall.anthony at cox.net Sat Dec 14 10:49:29 2013 From: randall.anthony at cox.net (Randy Anthony) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 11:49:29 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table does not show in list In-Reply-To: <1U4Q1n00G0xgD8Z01U4et7> References: <1U4Q1n00G0xgD8Z01U4et7> Message-ID: <01d001cef8ec$74de7770$5e9b6650$@cox.net> Guss, Are you importing/viewing the data via SSMS? Then when you open Access and try to link you can't see the tables to pick from? If so, you need to add permissions to the SQL side so that your ODBC connection will allow you to see/select the tables. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Guss Ginsburg Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 11:02 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table does not show in list i imported the table into SQL Server, and it shows up on my computer in the database, but when i try to link to it, the list of tables that comes up are only system tables, and the data i am looking for is not shown. Did i leave out a step in the process of creating the db or importing the file? Sincerely yours, Guss Ginsburg From guss at beechnutconsulting.com Sat Dec 14 11:35:44 2013 From: guss at beechnutconsulting.com (Guss Ginsburg) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 11:35:44 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table does not show in list In-Reply-To: <01d001cef8ec$74de7770$5e9b6650$@cox.net> References: <1U4Q1n00G0xgD8Z01U4et7> <01d001cef8ec$74de7770$5e9b6650$@cox.net> Message-ID: <003101cef8f2$eb576370$c2062a50$@beechnutconsulting.com> Randy, Thanks. Yes, you have described the environment I am in. I am pretty new to using this, and SQL databases, so I will need some specific help walking through this. I see there are permission options for the SQL Server, and for each database. And I believe I want to grant some kind of permission to schema dbo (is that right?), but don?t know where I am stepping now. Can you give me the specific steps to add the permissions needed? Sincerely yours, ? Guss Ginsburg -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Randy Anthony Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 10:49 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table does not show in list Guss, Are you importing/viewing the data via SSMS? Then when you open Access and try to link you can't see the tables to pick from? If so, you need to add permissions to the SQL side so that your ODBC connection will allow you to see/select the tables. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Guss Ginsburg Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 11:02 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table does not show in list i imported the table into SQL Server, and it shows up on my computer in the database, but when i try to link to it, the list of tables that comes up are only system tables, and the data i am looking for is not shown. Did i leave out a step in the process of creating the db or importing the file? Sincerely yours, Guss Ginsburg -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From randall.anthony at cox.net Sat Dec 14 12:30:29 2013 From: randall.anthony at cox.net (Randy Anthony) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 13:30:29 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table does not show in list In-Reply-To: <1VdV1n00w0xgD8Z01VdYq6> References: <1U4Q1n00G0xgD8Z01U4et7> <01d001cef8ec$74de7770$5e9b6650$@cox.net> <1VdV1n00w0xgD8Z01VdYq6> Message-ID: <01d401cef8fa$90eb5f60$b2c21e20$@cox.net> No prob. This assumes you're connecting to your SQL end with Windows Auth and you have dbo permissions on the server. Open SSMS and click Security>Logins. Right click your login account and select Properties. Click User Mapping in the left hand pane, locate the DB, check it and check db_owner on the bottom. Click Ok. Now when you open your link to server and get the ODBC portion, you should be able to see the DB and the tables therein. HTH. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Guss Ginsburg Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 12:36 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table does not show in list Randy, Thanks. Yes, you have described the environment I am in. I am pretty new to using this, and SQL databases, so I will need some specific help walking through this. I see there are permission options for the SQL Server, and for each database. And I believe I want to grant some kind of permission to schema dbo (is that right?), but don?t know where I am stepping now. Can you give me the specific steps to add the permissions needed? Sincerely yours, ? Guss Ginsburg -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Randy Anthony Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 10:49 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table does not show in list Guss, Are you importing/viewing the data via SSMS? Then when you open Access and try to link you can't see the tables to pick from? If so, you need to add permissions to the SQL side so that your ODBC connection will allow you to see/select the tables. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Guss Ginsburg Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 11:02 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table does not show in list i imported the table into SQL Server, and it shows up on my computer in the database, but when i try to link to it, the list of tables that comes up are only system tables, and the data i am looking for is not shown. Did i leave out a step in the process of creating the db or importing the file? Sincerely yours, Guss Ginsburg -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From guss at beechnutconsulting.com Sat Dec 14 13:15:25 2013 From: guss at beechnutconsulting.com (Guss Ginsburg) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 13:15:25 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table does not show in list In-Reply-To: <01d401cef8fa$90eb5f60$b2c21e20$@cox.net> References: <1U4Q1n00G0xgD8Z01U4et7> <01d001cef8ec$74de7770$5e9b6650$@cox.net> <1VdV1n00w0xgD8Z01VdYq6> <01d401cef8fa$90eb5f60$b2c21e20$@cox.net> Message-ID: <003501cef900$d86161e0$892425a0$@beechnutconsulting.com> I checked that, and the user id is already set up like you said it should. I just discovered another issue, but let me give a little background... I originally installed the SQL Server environment a couple of years ago, and set up a test database, imported some data into a table, and when I click from Access on the ODBC choices, then on machine data sources, there is one called SQLServerDataSource, which I may have created back then. That one shows the table from the test db I created 2 years ago. I cannot see that table if I go via the File Data Source. I cannot see the table I just imported by going any of the paths I have tried so far. Upon further checking, I looked into the definition of the above data source and saw that it was pointing to the test database from 2 years ago. I changed the selection to the new db, and am linking to it now. I also linked to a test file from two years ago. I can view the old test file just fine, but the new one only has 63 records (there should be about 15 million), and each cell contains #Name?. I also get a message that the ODBC call failed before displaying the 63 records. Thanks for your help so far. Any other thoughts are certainly welcome. Sincerely yours, ? Guss Ginsburg -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Randy Anthony Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 12:30 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table does not show in list No prob. This assumes you're connecting to your SQL end with Windows Auth and you have dbo permissions on the server. Open SSMS and click Security>Logins. Right click your login account and select Properties. Click User Mapping in the left hand pane, locate the DB, check it and check db_owner on the bottom. Click Ok. Now when you open your link to server and get the ODBC portion, you should be able to see the DB and the tables therein. HTH. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Guss Ginsburg Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 12:36 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table does not show in list Randy, Thanks. Yes, you have described the environment I am in. I am pretty new to using this, and SQL databases, so I will need some specific help walking through this. I see there are permission options for the SQL Server, and for each database. And I believe I want to grant some kind of permission to schema dbo (is that right?), but don?t know where I am stepping now. Can you give me the specific steps to add the permissions needed? Sincerely yours, ? Guss Ginsburg -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Randy Anthony Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 10:49 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table does not show in list Guss, Are you importing/viewing the data via SSMS? Then when you open Access and try to link you can't see the tables to pick from? If so, you need to add permissions to the SQL side so that your ODBC connection will allow you to see/select the tables. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Guss Ginsburg Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 11:02 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table does not show in list i imported the table into SQL Server, and it shows up on my computer in the database, but when i try to link to it, the list of tables that comes up are only system tables, and the data i am looking for is not shown. Did i leave out a step in the process of creating the db or importing the file? Sincerely yours, Guss Ginsburg -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From randall.anthony at cox.net Sat Dec 14 14:09:16 2013 From: randall.anthony at cox.net (Randy Anthony) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 15:09:16 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table does not show in list In-Reply-To: <1XHS1n01N0xgD8Z01XHUgU> References: <1U4Q1n00G0xgD8Z01U4et7> <01d001cef8ec$74de7770$5e9b6650$@cox.net> <1VdV1n00w0xgD8Z01VdYq6> <01d401cef8fa$90eb5f60$b2c21e20$@cox.net> <1XHS1n01N0xgD8Z01XHUgU> Message-ID: <01e801cef908$5d7a6500$186f2f00$@cox.net> Ok, yw, that was easy. If the DB/table you're linking to has 15 million records, methinks you've ran afoul of the max size limits of Access, which is 2GB. Are you linking to or importing from? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Guss Ginsburg Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 2:15 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table does not show in list I checked that, and the user id is already set up like you said it should. I just discovered another issue, but let me give a little background... I originally installed the SQL Server environment a couple of years ago, and set up a test database, imported some data into a table, and when I click from Access on the ODBC choices, then on machine data sources, there is one called SQLServerDataSource, which I may have created back then. That one shows the table from the test db I created 2 years ago. I cannot see that table if I go via the File Data Source. I cannot see the table I just imported by going any of the paths I have tried so far. Upon further checking, I looked into the definition of the above data source and saw that it was pointing to the test database from 2 years ago. I changed the selection to the new db, and am linking to it now. I also linked to a test file from two years ago. I can view the old test file just fine, but the new one only has 63 records (there should be about 15 million), and each cell contains #Name?. I also get a message that the ODBC call failed before displaying the 63 records. Thanks for your help so far. Any other thoughts are certainly welcome. Sincerely yours, ? Guss Ginsburg -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Randy Anthony Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 12:30 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table does not show in list No prob. This assumes you're connecting to your SQL end with Windows Auth and you have dbo permissions on the server. Open SSMS and click Security>Logins. Right click your login account and select Properties. Click User Mapping in the left hand pane, locate the DB, check it and check db_owner on the bottom. Click Ok. Now when you open your link to server and get the ODBC portion, you should be able to see the DB and the tables therein. HTH. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Guss Ginsburg Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 12:36 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table does not show in list Randy, Thanks. Yes, you have described the environment I am in. I am pretty new to using this, and SQL databases, so I will need some specific help walking through this. I see there are permission options for the SQL Server, and for each database. And I believe I want to grant some kind of permission to schema dbo (is that right?), but don?t know where I am stepping now. Can you give me the specific steps to add the permissions needed? Sincerely yours, ? Guss Ginsburg -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Randy Anthony Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 10:49 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table does not show in list Guss, Are you importing/viewing the data via SSMS? Then when you open Access and try to link you can't see the tables to pick from? If so, you need to add permissions to the SQL side so that your ODBC connection will allow you to see/select the tables. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Guss Ginsburg Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 11:02 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table does not show in list i imported the table into SQL Server, and it shows up on my computer in the database, but when i try to link to it, the list of tables that comes up are only system tables, and the data i am looking for is not shown. Did i leave out a step in the process of creating the db or importing the file? Sincerely yours, Guss Ginsburg -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From guss at beechnutconsulting.com Sat Dec 14 15:28:09 2013 From: guss at beechnutconsulting.com (Guss Ginsburg) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 15:28:09 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table does not show in list In-Reply-To: <01e801cef908$5d7a6500$186f2f00$@cox.net> References: <1U4Q1n00G0xgD8Z01U4et7> <01d001cef8ec$74de7770$5e9b6650$@cox.net> <1VdV1n00w0xgD8Z01VdYq6> <01d401cef8fa$90eb5f60$b2c21e20$@cox.net> <1XHS1n01N0xgD8Z01XHUgU> <01e801cef908$5d7a6500$186f2f00$@cox.net> Message-ID: <003901cef913$631553c0$293ffb40$@beechnutconsulting.com> I am linking only. I am using SQL Server because I have so many records, but the queries I need to run will return quite manageable recordsets. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Randy Anthony Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 2:09 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table does not show in list Ok, yw, that was easy. If the DB/table you're linking to has 15 million records, methinks you've ran afoul of the max size limits of Access, which is 2GB. Are you linking to or importing from? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Guss Ginsburg Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 2:15 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table does not show in list I checked that, and the user id is already set up like you said it should. I just discovered another issue, but let me give a little background... I originally installed the SQL Server environment a couple of years ago, and set up a test database, imported some data into a table, and when I click from Access on the ODBC choices, then on machine data sources, there is one called SQLServerDataSource, which I may have created back then. That one shows the table from the test db I created 2 years ago. I cannot see that table if I go via the File Data Source. I cannot see the table I just imported by going any of the paths I have tried so far. Upon further checking, I looked into the definition of the above data source and saw that it was pointing to the test database from 2 years ago. I changed the selection to the new db, and am linking to it now. I also linked to a test file from two years ago. I can view the old test file just fine, but the new one only has 63 records (there should be about 15 million), and each cell contains #Name?. I also get a message that the ODBC call failed before displaying the 63 records. Thanks for your help so far. Any other thoughts are certainly welcome. Sincerely yours, ? Guss Ginsburg -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Randy Anthony Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 12:30 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table does not show in list No prob. This assumes you're connecting to your SQL end with Windows Auth and you have dbo permissions on the server. Open SSMS and click Security>Logins. Right click your login account and select Properties. Click User Mapping in the left hand pane, locate the DB, check it and check db_owner on the bottom. Click Ok. Now when you open your link to server and get the ODBC portion, you should be able to see the DB and the tables therein. HTH. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Guss Ginsburg Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 12:36 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table does not show in list Randy, Thanks. Yes, you have described the environment I am in. I am pretty new to using this, and SQL databases, so I will need some specific help walking through this. I see there are permission options for the SQL Server, and for each database. And I believe I want to grant some kind of permission to schema dbo (is that right?), but don?t know where I am stepping now. Can you give me the specific steps to add the permissions needed? Sincerely yours, ? Guss Ginsburg -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Randy Anthony Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 10:49 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table does not show in list Guss, Are you importing/viewing the data via SSMS? Then when you open Access and try to link you can't see the tables to pick from? If so, you need to add permissions to the SQL side so that your ODBC connection will allow you to see/select the tables. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Guss Ginsburg Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 11:02 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table does not show in list i imported the table into SQL Server, and it shows up on my computer in the database, but when i try to link to it, the list of tables that comes up are only system tables, and the data i am looking for is not shown. Did i leave out a step in the process of creating the db or importing the file? Sincerely yours, Guss Ginsburg -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From randall.anthony at cox.net Sat Dec 14 16:04:34 2013 From: randall.anthony at cox.net (Randy Anthony) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 17:04:34 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table does not show in list In-Reply-To: <1ZVs1n01A0xgD8Z01ZVusj> References: <1U4Q1n00G0xgD8Z01U4et7> <01d001cef8ec$74de7770$5e9b6650$@cox.net> <1VdV1n00w0xgD8Z01VdYq6> <01d401cef8fa$90eb5f60$b2c21e20$@cox.net> <1XHS1n01N0xgD8Z01XHUgU> <01e801cef908$5d7a6500$186f2f00$@cox.net> <1ZVs1n01A0xgD8Z01ZVusj> Message-ID: <01e901cef918$794501e0$6bcf05a0$@cox.net> I glossed over your last sentence. If the ODBC call failed before displaying your table, that's the issue. Technically, if you get the ODBC call fail notice, you can't open the table at all. Pay particular attention to the error message, is it creating an error log table? That's probably why the table has the #Name error in the columns. If you're linking, then you shouldn't have any problems with data size, however this seems to indicate that you haven't solved the ODBC connection yet. One thing to check for the ODBC connection is that you have the appropriate SQL checked, depending on your environment, you may have SQL Server, SQL Server Native Client 10.0 and/or SQL Server Native Client 11.0. HTH. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Guss Ginsburg Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 4:28 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table does not show in list I am linking only. I am using SQL Server because I have so many records, but the queries I need to run will return quite manageable recordsets. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Randy Anthony Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 2:09 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table does not show in list Ok, yw, that was easy. If the DB/table you're linking to has 15 million records, methinks you've ran afoul of the max size limits of Access, which is 2GB. Are you linking to or importing from? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Guss Ginsburg Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 2:15 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table does not show in list I checked that, and the user id is already set up like you said it should. I just discovered another issue, but let me give a little background... I originally installed the SQL Server environment a couple of years ago, and set up a test database, imported some data into a table, and when I click from Access on the ODBC choices, then on machine data sources, there is one called SQLServerDataSource, which I may have created back then. That one shows the table from the test db I created 2 years ago. I cannot see that table if I go via the File Data Source. I cannot see the table I just imported by going any of the paths I have tried so far. Upon further checking, I looked into the definition of the above data source and saw that it was pointing to the test database from 2 years ago. I changed the selection to the new db, and am linking to it now. I also linked to a test file from two years ago. I can view the old test file just fine, but the new one only has 63 records (there should be about 15 million), and each cell contains #Name?. I also get a message that the ODBC call failed before displaying the 63 records. Thanks for your help so far. Any other thoughts are certainly welcome. Sincerely yours, ? Guss Ginsburg -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Randy Anthony Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 12:30 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table does not show in list No prob. This assumes you're connecting to your SQL end with Windows Auth and you have dbo permissions on the server. Open SSMS and click Security>Logins. Right click your login account and select Properties. Click User Mapping in the left hand pane, locate the DB, check it and check db_owner on the bottom. Click Ok. Now when you open your link to server and get the ODBC portion, you should be able to see the DB and the tables therein. HTH. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Guss Ginsburg Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 12:36 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table does not show in list Randy, Thanks. Yes, you have described the environment I am in. I am pretty new to using this, and SQL databases, so I will need some specific help walking through this. I see there are permission options for the SQL Server, and for each database. And I believe I want to grant some kind of permission to schema dbo (is that right?), but don?t know where I am stepping now. Can you give me the specific steps to add the permissions needed? Sincerely yours, ? Guss Ginsburg -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Randy Anthony Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 10:49 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table does not show in list Guss, Are you importing/viewing the data via SSMS? Then when you open Access and try to link you can't see the tables to pick from? If so, you need to add permissions to the SQL side so that your ODBC connection will allow you to see/select the tables. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Guss Ginsburg Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 11:02 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table does not show in list i imported the table into SQL Server, and it shows up on my computer in the database, but when i try to link to it, the list of tables that comes up are only system tables, and the data i am looking for is not shown. Did i leave out a step in the process of creating the db or importing the file? Sincerely yours, Guss Ginsburg -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From guss at beechnutconsulting.com Sat Dec 14 19:37:48 2013 From: guss at beechnutconsulting.com (Guss Ginsburg) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 19:37:48 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table does not show in list In-Reply-To: <01e901cef918$794501e0$6bcf05a0$@cox.net> References: <1U4Q1n00G0xgD8Z01U4et7> <01d001cef8ec$74de7770$5e9b6650$@cox.net> <1VdV1n00w0xgD8Z01VdYq6> <01d401cef8fa$90eb5f60$b2c21e20$@cox.net> <1XHS1n01N0xgD8Z01XHUgU> <01e801cef908$5d7a6500$186f2f00$@cox.net> <1ZVs1n01A0xgD8Z01ZVusj> <01e901cef918$794501e0$6bcf05a0$@cox.net> Message-ID: <004001cef936$435c5d80$ca151880$@beechnutconsulting.com> The error I get is "ODBC--call failed", but not until I try to open the table to view the records. When I do the link, it indicates the connection test passed successfully. I will redefine it to create an error log table, and that info may help. Thanks for the suggestions. Sincerely yours, ? Guss Ginsburg -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Randy Anthony Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 4:05 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table does not show in list I glossed over your last sentence. If the ODBC call failed before displaying your table, that's the issue. Technically, if you get the ODBC call fail notice, you can't open the table at all. Pay particular attention to the error message, is it creating an error log table? That's probably why the table has the #Name error in the columns. If you're linking, then you shouldn't have any problems with data size, however this seems to indicate that you haven't solved the ODBC connection yet. One thing to check for the ODBC connection is that you have the appropriate SQL checked, depending on your environment, you may have SQL Server, SQL Server Native Client 10.0 and/or SQL Server Native Client 11.0. HTH. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Guss Ginsburg Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 4:28 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table does not show in list I am linking only. I am using SQL Server because I have so many records, but the queries I need to run will return quite manageable recordsets. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Randy Anthony Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 2:09 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table does not show in list Ok, yw, that was easy. If the DB/table you're linking to has 15 million records, methinks you've ran afoul of the max size limits of Access, which is 2GB. Are you linking to or importing from? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Guss Ginsburg Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 2:15 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table does not show in list I checked that, and the user id is already set up like you said it should. I just discovered another issue, but let me give a little background... I originally installed the SQL Server environment a couple of years ago, and set up a test database, imported some data into a table, and when I click from Access on the ODBC choices, then on machine data sources, there is one called SQLServerDataSource, which I may have created back then. That one shows the table from the test db I created 2 years ago. I cannot see that table if I go via the File Data Source. I cannot see the table I just imported by going any of the paths I have tried so far. Upon further checking, I looked into the definition of the above data source and saw that it was pointing to the test database from 2 years ago. I changed the selection to the new db, and am linking to it now. I also linked to a test file from two years ago. I can view the old test file just fine, but the new one only has 63 records (there should be about 15 million), and each cell contains #Name?. I also get a message that the ODBC call failed before displaying the 63 records. Thanks for your help so far. Any other thoughts are certainly welcome. Sincerely yours, ? Guss Ginsburg -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Randy Anthony Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 12:30 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table does not show in list No prob. This assumes you're connecting to your SQL end with Windows Auth and you have dbo permissions on the server. Open SSMS and click Security>Logins. Right click your login account and select Properties. Click User Mapping in the left hand pane, locate the DB, check it and check db_owner on the bottom. Click Ok. Now when you open your link to server and get the ODBC portion, you should be able to see the DB and the tables therein. HTH. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Guss Ginsburg Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 12:36 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table does not show in list Randy, Thanks. Yes, you have described the environment I am in. I am pretty new to using this, and SQL databases, so I will need some specific help walking through this. I see there are permission options for the SQL Server, and for each database. And I believe I want to grant some kind of permission to schema dbo (is that right?), but don?t know where I am stepping now. Can you give me the specific steps to add the permissions needed? Sincerely yours, ? Guss Ginsburg -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Randy Anthony Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 10:49 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table does not show in list Guss, Are you importing/viewing the data via SSMS? Then when you open Access and try to link you can't see the tables to pick from? If so, you need to add permissions to the SQL side so that your ODBC connection will allow you to see/select the tables. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Guss Ginsburg Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 11:02 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table does not show in list i imported the table into SQL Server, and it shows up on my computer in the database, but when i try to link to it, the list of tables that comes up are only system tables, and the data i am looking for is not shown. Did i leave out a step in the process of creating the db or importing the file? Sincerely yours, Guss Ginsburg -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From michael at mattysconsulting.com Sat Dec 14 19:50:30 2013 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 20:50:30 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table does not show in list In-Reply-To: <001701cef8e5$e1747cb0$a45d7610$@beechnutconsulting.com> References: <001701cef8e5$e1747cb0$a45d7610$@beechnutconsulting.com> Message-ID: <016f01cef938$0b9e4690$22dad3b0$@mattysconsulting.com> Hi Guss, Sounds like your default database is Master and you want a different one in the ODBC Link Wizard. Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Guss Ginsburg Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 11:02 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table does not show in list i imported the table into SQL Server, and it shows up on my computer in the database, but when i try to link to it, the list of tables that comes up are only system tables, and the data i am looking for is not shown. Did i leave out a step in the process of creating the db or importing the file? Sincerely yours, Guss Ginsburg From BradM at blackforestltd.com Sat Dec 14 20:40:25 2013 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 20:40:25 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Unable to Establish Firebird ODBC Connection for Access 2007 Application (Win-7 Pro 32-bit) References: <1U4Q1n00G0xgD8Z01U4et7> <01d001cef8ec$74de7770$5e9b6650$@cox.net> <1VdV1n00w0xgD8Z01VdYq6> <01d401cef8fa$90eb5f60$b2c21e20$@cox.net> <1XHS1n01N0xgD8Z01XHUgU> <01e801cef908$5d7a6500$186f2f00$@cox.net> <1ZVs1n01A0xgD8Z01ZVusj> <01e901cef918$794501e0$6bcf05a0$@cox.net> <004001cef936$435c5d80$ca151880$@beechnutconsulting.com> Message-ID: All, I work with an Access 2007 application system that obtains data from a Firebird database via ODBC. I have set up the ODBC connections on about 15 PCs. Some have XP, some have Win-7 32 bit and some have Win-7 64 bit. All of these PCs are able to access the Firebird database nicely. Recently, a refurbished HP PC was purchased from NewEgg. It has Win-7 Pro 32-bit. I thought that setting up ODBC on this PC would be easy, as I have done this before on other Win-7 Pro 32-bit PCs. I downloaded the ODBC Driver from firebirdsql.org for Windows 32-bit. I then ran the install which worked properly. However, when I try to set up the ODBC connection and then run the ?Test Connection? I receive a message ?Open database ?C:\test.fdb? failed?. I know that the .fdb file is a valid database. I have run many tests, downloaded all of the latest Windows updates, and tried different versions of the Windows 32 bit driver. All with no luck. I must be missing something. Is there a way to discern more details about why the ODBC setup is failing? The error message ?Open database ?C:\test.fdb? failed? does not give me much to go on. Thanks, Brad From rford at terra.com.br Sun Dec 15 05:26:28 2013 From: rford at terra.com.br (Roberto Ford Long) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 09:26:28 -0200 Subject: [AccessD] RES: Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table does not show in list In-Reply-To: <004001cef936$435c5d80$ca151880$@beechnutconsulting.com> References: <1U4Q1n00G0xgD8Z01U4et7> <01d001cef8ec$74de7770$5e9b6650$@cox.net> <1VdV1n00w0xgD8Z01VdYq6> <01d401cef8fa$90eb5f60$b2c21e20$@cox.net> <1XHS1n01N0xgD8Z01XHUgU> <01e801cef908$5d7a6500$186f2f00$@cox.net> <1ZVs1n01A0xgD8Z01ZVusj> <01e901cef918$794501e0$6bcf05a0$@cox.net> <004001cef936$435c5d80$ca151880$@beechnutconsulting.com> Message-ID: <001801cef988$80516710$80f43530$@terra.com.br> Hi Guss. Did you try to relink that table? Just opening the link table form, mark tables that use that ODBC connection and reassign then again. Regards, Roberto. > -----Mensagem original----- > De: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd- > bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Em nome de Guss Ginsburg > Enviada em: s?bado, 14 de dezembro de 2013 23:38 > Para: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Assunto: Re: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired > table does not show in list > > The error I get is "ODBC--call failed", but not until I try to open the table to > view the records. When I do the link, it indicates the connection test passed > successfully. I will redefine it to create an error log table, and that info may > help. > > Thanks for the suggestions. > > Sincerely yours, > > Guss Ginsburg > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Randy > Anthony > Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 4:05 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table > does not show in list > > I glossed over your last sentence. If the ODBC call failed before displaying > your table, that's the issue. Technically, if you get the ODBC call fail notice, > you can't open the table at all. Pay particular attention to the error message, > is it creating an error log table? That's probably why the table has the #Name > error in the columns. If you're linking, then you shouldn't have any problems > with data size, however this seems to indicate that you haven't solved the > ODBC connection yet. One thing to check for the ODBC connection is that > you have the appropriate SQL checked, depending on your environment, > you may have SQL Server, SQL Server Native Client 10.0 and/or SQL Server > Native Client 11.0. > > HTH. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Guss > Ginsburg > Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 4:28 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table > does not show in list > > I am linking only. I am using SQL Server because I have so many records, but > the queries I need to run will return quite manageable recordsets. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Randy > Anthony > Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 2:09 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table > does not show in list > > Ok, yw, that was easy. If the DB/table you're linking to has 15 million records, > methinks you've ran afoul of the max size limits of Access, which is 2GB. Are > you linking to or importing from? > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Guss > Ginsburg > Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 2:15 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table > does not show in list > > I checked that, and the user id is already set up like you said it should. > I just discovered another issue, but let me give a little background... I > originally installed the SQL Server environment a couple of years ago, and set > up a test database, imported some data into a table, and when I click from > Access on the ODBC choices, then on machine data sources, there is one > called SQLServerDataSource, which I may have created back then. That one > shows the table from the test db I created 2 years ago. I cannot see that > table if I go via the File Data Source. I cannot see the table I just imported by > going any of the paths I have tried so far. > > Upon further checking, I looked into the definition of the above data source > and saw that it was pointing to the test database from 2 years ago. I changed > the selection to the new db, and am linking to it now. I also linked to a test > file from two years ago. I can view the old test file just fine, but the new one > only has 63 records (there should be about 15 million), and each cell contains > #Name?. I also get a message that the ODBC call failed before displaying the > 63 records. > > Thanks for your help so far. Any other thoughts are certainly welcome. > > Sincerely yours, > > Guss Ginsburg > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Randy > Anthony > Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 12:30 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table > does not show in list > > No prob. This assumes you're connecting to your SQL end with Windows > Auth and you have dbo permissions on the server. Open SSMS and click > Security>Logins. Right click your login account and select Properties. > Click User Mapping in the left hand pane, locate the DB, check it and check > db_owner on the bottom. Click Ok. > > Now when you open your link to server and get the ODBC portion, you > should be able to see the DB and the tables therein. > > HTH. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Guss > Ginsburg > Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 12:36 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table > does not show in list > > Randy, > Thanks. Yes, you have described the environment I am in. I am pretty new > to using this, and SQL databases, so I will need some specific help walking > through this. I see there are permission options for the SQL Server, and for > each database. And I believe I want to grant some kind of permission to > schema dbo (is that right?), but don?t know where I am stepping now. Can > you give me the specific steps to add the permissions needed? > > Sincerely yours, > > Guss Ginsburg > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Randy > Anthony > Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 10:49 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table > does not show in list > > Guss, > Are you importing/viewing the data via SSMS? Then when you open Access > and try to link you can't see the tables to pick from? If so, you need to add > permissions to the SQL side so that your ODBC connection will allow you to > see/select the tables. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Guss > Ginsburg > Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 11:02 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] Linking to SQL Server table from Access - desired table > does not show in list > > i imported the table into SQL Server, and it shows up on my computer in the > database, but when i try to link to it, the list of tables that comes up are only > system tables, and the data i am looking for is not shown. Did i leave out a > step in the process of creating the db or importing the file? > > > > Sincerely yours, > > > > Guss Ginsburg > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From BradM at blackforestltd.com Mon Dec 16 19:37:41 2013 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 19:37:41 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] How to Suppress Main Report Line if the Related Sub-Report has no Data References: <006c01cef211$7eea8e70$7cbfab50$@comcast.net> <5957ED15F9754F108684B9077B1496F7@HAL9007> Message-ID: Rocky, Thanks for the help. Unfortunately, I seem to be having "senior moments" and I cannot even get a small test example to work. Perhaps you could post more details. For example, I am not sure how to obtain the record count of the sub-report. Thanks, Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thu 12/5/2013 10:26 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need to Suppress Main Report Line if therelatedSub-Report has no Data I would use the format event of the detail section to get the record count of the sub report and, if it's zero then Me.MoveLayout = False Me.NextRecord = True Me.PrintSection = False HTH Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 5:17 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Need to Suppress Main Report Line if the relatedSub-Report has no Data All, I have a report that has one sub-report. This sub-report is tied to a field in the detail lines of the main report. Recently, our users requested that if there is no data in the sub-report they would like to see the related line on the main report suppressed. I have never tried to do this before. I have set up a little test Access application and tried a few ideas, but have not found a good solution. Is there a way to accomplish this with Access 2007? Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. Click here to report this message as spam. http://h0stname/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=6A8F528AEB.B87B1 From paul.hartland at googlemail.com Mon Dec 16 22:18:04 2013 From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 04:18:04 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] How to Suppress Main Report Line if the Related Sub-Report has no Data In-Reply-To: References: <006c01cef211$7eea8e70$7cbfab50$@comcast.net> <5957ED15F9754F108684B9077B1496F7@HAL9007> Message-ID: Brad, Am I clear on this that you don't want to show the main detail/report if there is no sub detail/report data ? Paul On 17 December 2013 01:37, Brad Marks wrote: > Rocky, > > Thanks for the help. > > Unfortunately, I seem to be having "senior moments" and I cannot even get > a small test example to work. > > Perhaps you could post more details. > > For example, I am not sure how to obtain the record count of the > sub-report. > > Thanks, > Brad > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Rocky Smolin > Sent: Thu 12/5/2013 10:26 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need to Suppress Main Report Line if > therelatedSub-Report has no Data > > I would use the format event of the detail section to get the record count > of the sub report and, if it's zero then > > Me.MoveLayout = False > Me.NextRecord = True > Me.PrintSection = False > > HTH > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 5:17 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Need to Suppress Main Report Line if the > relatedSub-Report has no Data > > All, > > I have a report that has one sub-report. This sub-report is tied to a > field > in the detail lines of the main report. > > Recently, our users requested that if there is no data in the sub-report > they would like to see the related line on the main report suppressed. > > I have never tried to do this before. I have set up a little test Access > application and tried a few ideas, but have not found a good solution. > > Is there a way to accomplish this with Access 2007? > > Thanks, > Brad > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. > Click here to report this message as spam. > http://h0stname/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=6A8F528AEB.B87B1 > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com From BradM at blackforestltd.com Tue Dec 17 05:32:02 2013 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 05:32:02 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] How to Suppress Main Report Line if the Related Sub-Report has no Data References: <006c01cef211$7eea8e70$7cbfab50$@comcast.net><5957ED15F9754F108684B9077B1496F7@HAL9007> Message-ID: Paul, Yes, I would like to not show specific main report lines when the related sub-report has no lines. I thought that this would be easy to do, but I have not be able to figure this out after many attempts. Thanks, Brad PS. Here is the rest of the story... We have an existing Access report that works nicely. Recently our users asked for a variation of this report. This variation involved the addition of a "Where" condition on the sub-report's underlying query. This works nicely, except that now there are many lines on the Main report that do not have any sub-report lines. The users would like to not see these extra Main report lines. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Paul Hartland Sent: Mon 12/16/2013 10:18 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Suppress Main Report Line if the Related Sub-Report has no Data Brad, Am I clear on this that you don't want to show the main detail/report if there is no sub detail/report data ? Paul On 17 December 2013 01:37, Brad Marks wrote: > Rocky, > > Thanks for the help. > > Unfortunately, I seem to be having "senior moments" and I cannot even get > a small test example to work. > > Perhaps you could post more details. > > For example, I am not sure how to obtain the record count of the > sub-report. > > Thanks, > Brad > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Rocky Smolin > Sent: Thu 12/5/2013 10:26 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need to Suppress Main Report Line if > therelatedSub-Report has no Data > > I would use the format event of the detail section to get the record count > of the sub report and, if it's zero then > > Me.MoveLayout = False > Me.NextRecord = True > Me.PrintSection = False > > HTH > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 5:17 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Need to Suppress Main Report Line if the > relatedSub-Report has no Data > > All, > > I have a report that has one sub-report. This sub-report is tied to a > field > in the detail lines of the main report. > > Recently, our users requested that if there is no data in the sub-report > they would like to see the related line on the main report suppressed. > > I have never tried to do this before. I have set up a little test Access > application and tried a few ideas, but have not found a good solution. > > Is there a way to accomplish this with Access 2007? > > Thanks, > Brad > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. > Click here to report this message as spam. > http://h0stname/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=6A8F528AEB.B87B1 > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. Click here to report this message as spam. http://h0stname/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=5AF38285E3.8409B From paul.hartland at googlemail.com Tue Dec 17 05:44:54 2013 From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:44:54 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] How to Suppress Main Report Line if the Related Sub-Report has no Data In-Reply-To: References: <006c01cef211$7eea8e70$7cbfab50$@comcast.net> <5957ED15F9754F108684B9077B1496F7@HAL9007> Message-ID: Brad, My first thought was couldn't you build a query that links the main data query into the sub data query and use that as the main report query, then every main report should have sub report detail and won't show the ones that don't. Paul On 17 December 2013 11:32, Brad Marks wrote: > Paul, > > Yes, I would like to not show specific main report lines when the related > sub-report has no lines. > > I thought that this would be easy to do, but I have not be able to figure > this out after many attempts. > > Thanks, > Brad > > PS. Here is the rest of the story... We have an existing Access report > that works nicely. Recently our users asked for a variation of this > report. This variation involved the addition of a "Where" condition on the > sub-report's underlying query. This works nicely, except that now there > are many lines on the Main report that do not have any sub-report lines. > The users would like to not see these extra Main report lines. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Paul Hartland > Sent: Mon 12/16/2013 10:18 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Suppress Main Report Line if the Related > Sub-Report has no Data > > Brad, > > Am I clear on this that you don't want to show the main detail/report if > there is no sub detail/report data ? > > Paul > > > On 17 December 2013 01:37, Brad Marks wrote: > > > Rocky, > > > > Thanks for the help. > > > > Unfortunately, I seem to be having "senior moments" and I cannot even get > > a small test example to work. > > > > Perhaps you could post more details. > > > > For example, I am not sure how to obtain the record count of the > > sub-report. > > > > Thanks, > > Brad > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Rocky Smolin > > Sent: Thu 12/5/2013 10:26 PM > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need to Suppress Main Report Line if > > therelatedSub-Report has no Data > > > > I would use the format event of the detail section to get the record > count > > of the sub report and, if it's zero then > > > > Me.MoveLayout = False > > Me.NextRecord = True > > Me.PrintSection = False > > > > HTH > > > > Rocky > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks > > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 5:17 PM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: [AccessD] Need to Suppress Main Report Line if the > > relatedSub-Report has no Data > > > > All, > > > > I have a report that has one sub-report. This sub-report is tied to a > > field > > in the detail lines of the main report. > > > > Recently, our users requested that if there is no data in the sub-report > > they would like to see the related line on the main report suppressed. > > > > I have never tried to do this before. I have set up a little test Access > > application and tried a few ideas, but have not found a good solution. > > > > Is there a way to accomplish this with Access 2007? > > > > Thanks, > > Brad > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. > > Click here to report this message as spam. > > http://h0stname/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=6A8F528AEB.B87B1 > > > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > -- > Paul Hartland > paul.hartland at googlemail.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. > Click here to report this message as spam. > http://h0stname/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=5AF38285E3.8409B > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com From BradM at blackforestltd.com Tue Dec 17 05:54:06 2013 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 05:54:06 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] How to Suppress Main Report Line if the Related Sub-Report has no Data References: <006c01cef211$7eea8e70$7cbfab50$@comcast.net><5957ED15F9754F108684B9077B1496F7@HAL9007> Message-ID: Paul, Thanks for the idea. I had not considered this approach yet. I was simply trying to use the existing main report query and sub-report query and then do the main report detail line "suppression" at the report level rather than at the query level. I will dig into the idea that you suggested. Thanks again, Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Paul Hartland Sent: Tue 12/17/2013 5:44 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Suppress Main Report Line if the Related Sub-Report has no Data Brad, My first thought was couldn't you build a query that links the main data query into the sub data query and use that as the main report query, then every main report should have sub report detail and won't show the ones that don't. Paul On 17 December 2013 11:32, Brad Marks wrote: > Paul, > > Yes, I would like to not show specific main report lines when the related > sub-report has no lines. > > I thought that this would be easy to do, but I have not be able to figure > this out after many attempts. > > Thanks, > Brad > > PS. Here is the rest of the story... We have an existing Access report > that works nicely. Recently our users asked for a variation of this > report. This variation involved the addition of a "Where" condition on the > sub-report's underlying query. This works nicely, except that now there > are many lines on the Main report that do not have any sub-report lines. > The users would like to not see these extra Main report lines. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Paul Hartland > Sent: Mon 12/16/2013 10:18 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Suppress Main Report Line if the Related > Sub-Report has no Data > > Brad, > > Am I clear on this that you don't want to show the main detail/report if > there is no sub detail/report data ? > > Paul > > > On 17 December 2013 01:37, Brad Marks wrote: > > > Rocky, > > > > Thanks for the help. > > > > Unfortunately, I seem to be having "senior moments" and I cannot even get > > a small test example to work. > > > > Perhaps you could post more details. > > > > For example, I am not sure how to obtain the record count of the > > sub-report. > > > > Thanks, > > Brad > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Rocky Smolin > > Sent: Thu 12/5/2013 10:26 PM > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need to Suppress Main Report Line if > > therelatedSub-Report has no Data > > > > I would use the format event of the detail section to get the record > count > > of the sub report and, if it's zero then > > > > Me.MoveLayout = False > > Me.NextRecord = True > > Me.PrintSection = False > > > > HTH > > > > Rocky > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks > > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 5:17 PM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: [AccessD] Need to Suppress Main Report Line if the > > relatedSub-Report has no Data > > > > All, > > > > I have a report that has one sub-report. This sub-report is tied to a > > field > > in the detail lines of the main report. > > > > Recently, our users requested that if there is no data in the sub-report > > they would like to see the related line on the main report suppressed. > > > > I have never tried to do this before. I have set up a little test Access > > application and tried a few ideas, but have not found a good solution. > > > > Is there a way to accomplish this with Access 2007? > > > > Thanks, > > Brad > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. > > Click here to report this message as spam. > > http://h0stname/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=6A8F528AEB.B87B1 > > > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > -- > Paul Hartland > paul.hartland at googlemail.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. > Click here to report this message as spam. > http://h0stname/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=5AF38285E3.8409B > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. Click here to report this message as spam. http://h0stname/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=C6A6A285E3.7AFDB From paul.hartland at googlemail.com Tue Dec 17 08:12:30 2013 From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 14:12:30 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] How to Suppress Main Report Line if the Related Sub-Report has no Data In-Reply-To: References: <006c01cef211$7eea8e70$7cbfab50$@comcast.net> <5957ED15F9754F108684B9077B1496F7@HAL9007> Message-ID: Brad, That was usually the simpilest solution I used to use, just to save messing about with showing and hiding on the actual report, although I have done similar things on the Access XP/2003 versions at an old place of work. If you want to try the skipping of the main report, im sure I used to do something in the detail format of the main report similar to If isnull(Reports![main report]![sub report].Report![fieldname]) then Cancel=true Endif Paul On 17 December 2013 11:54, Brad Marks wrote: > Paul, > > Thanks for the idea. I had not considered this approach yet. > > I was simply trying to use the existing main report query and sub-report > query and then do the main report detail line "suppression" at the report > level rather than at the query level. > > I will dig into the idea that you suggested. > > Thanks again, > > Brad > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Paul Hartland > Sent: Tue 12/17/2013 5:44 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Suppress Main Report Line if the Related > Sub-Report has no Data > > Brad, > > My first thought was couldn't you build a query that links the main data > query into the sub data query and use that as the main report query, then > every main report should have sub report detail and won't show the ones > that don't. > > Paul > > > On 17 December 2013 11:32, Brad Marks wrote: > > > Paul, > > > > Yes, I would like to not show specific main report lines when the > related > > sub-report has no lines. > > > > I thought that this would be easy to do, but I have not be able to figure > > this out after many attempts. > > > > Thanks, > > Brad > > > > PS. Here is the rest of the story... We have an existing Access report > > that works nicely. Recently our users asked for a variation of this > > report. This variation involved the addition of a "Where" condition on > the > > sub-report's underlying query. This works nicely, except that now there > > are many lines on the Main report that do not have any sub-report lines. > > The users would like to not see these extra Main report lines. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Paul Hartland > > Sent: Mon 12/16/2013 10:18 PM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Suppress Main Report Line if the Related > > Sub-Report has no Data > > > > Brad, > > > > Am I clear on this that you don't want to show the main detail/report if > > there is no sub detail/report data ? > > > > Paul > > > > > > On 17 December 2013 01:37, Brad Marks wrote: > > > > > Rocky, > > > > > > Thanks for the help. > > > > > > Unfortunately, I seem to be having "senior moments" and I cannot even > get > > > a small test example to work. > > > > > > Perhaps you could post more details. > > > > > > For example, I am not sure how to obtain the record count of the > > > sub-report. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Brad > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Rocky Smolin > > > Sent: Thu 12/5/2013 10:26 PM > > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need to Suppress Main Report Line if > > > therelatedSub-Report has no Data > > > > > > I would use the format event of the detail section to get the record > > count > > > of the sub report and, if it's zero then > > > > > > Me.MoveLayout = False > > > Me.NextRecord = True > > > Me.PrintSection = False > > > > > > HTH > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks > > > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 5:17 PM > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > > Subject: [AccessD] Need to Suppress Main Report Line if the > > > relatedSub-Report has no Data > > > > > > All, > > > > > > I have a report that has one sub-report. This sub-report is tied to a > > > field > > > in the detail lines of the main report. > > > > > > Recently, our users requested that if there is no data in the > sub-report > > > they would like to see the related line on the main report suppressed. > > > > > > I have never tried to do this before. I have set up a little test > Access > > > application and tried a few ideas, but have not found a good solution. > > > > > > Is there a way to accomplish this with Access 2007? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Brad > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > > > This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. > > > Click here to report this message as spam. > > > http://h0stname/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=6A8F528AEB.B87B1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Paul Hartland > > paul.hartland at googlemail.com > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. > > Click here to report this message as spam. > > http://h0stname/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=5AF38285E3.8409B > > > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > -- > Paul Hartland > paul.hartland at googlemail.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. > Click here to report this message as spam. > http://h0stname/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=C6A6A285E3.7AFDB > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com From BradM at blackforestltd.com Tue Dec 17 10:16:17 2013 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 10:16:17 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] How to Suppress Main Report Line if the Related Sub-Report has no Data References: <006c01cef211$7eea8e70$7cbfab50$@comcast.net><5957ED15F9754F108684B9077B1496F7@HAL9007> Message-ID: Paul, Thanks for the code example. I am planning to; (1) Start from scratch with a new little test Access application and employ the code that you sent. (2) Experiment with changing the underlying query of the Main (Parent) report. I have a little concern about this approach because this report is based on several very complicated queries and I have run into problems with Access 2007 before when the queries became took complicated. Thanks again, Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Paul Hartland Sent: Tue 12/17/2013 8:12 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Suppress Main Report Line if the Related Sub-Report has no Data Brad, That was usually the simpilest solution I used to use, just to save messing about with showing and hiding on the actual report, although I have done similar things on the Access XP/2003 versions at an old place of work. If you want to try the skipping of the main report, im sure I used to do something in the detail format of the main report similar to If isnull(Reports![main report]![sub report].Report![fieldname]) then Cancel=true Endif Paul On 17 December 2013 11:54, Brad Marks wrote: > Paul, > > Thanks for the idea. I had not considered this approach yet. > > I was simply trying to use the existing main report query and sub-report > query and then do the main report detail line "suppression" at the report > level rather than at the query level. > > I will dig into the idea that you suggested. > > Thanks again, > > Brad > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Paul Hartland > Sent: Tue 12/17/2013 5:44 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Suppress Main Report Line if the Related > Sub-Report has no Data > > Brad, > > My first thought was couldn't you build a query that links the main data > query into the sub data query and use that as the main report query, then > every main report should have sub report detail and won't show the ones > that don't. > > Paul > > > On 17 December 2013 11:32, Brad Marks wrote: > > > Paul, > > > > Yes, I would like to not show specific main report lines when the > related > > sub-report has no lines. > > > > I thought that this would be easy to do, but I have not be able to figure > > this out after many attempts. > > > > Thanks, > > Brad > > > > PS. Here is the rest of the story... We have an existing Access report > > that works nicely. Recently our users asked for a variation of this > > report. This variation involved the addition of a "Where" condition on > the > > sub-report's underlying query. This works nicely, except that now there > > are many lines on the Main report that do not have any sub-report lines. > > The users would like to not see these extra Main report lines. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Paul Hartland > > Sent: Mon 12/16/2013 10:18 PM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Suppress Main Report Line if the Related > > Sub-Report has no Data > > > > Brad, > > > > Am I clear on this that you don't want to show the main detail/report if > > there is no sub detail/report data ? > > > > Paul > > > > > > On 17 December 2013 01:37, Brad Marks wrote: > > > > > Rocky, > > > > > > Thanks for the help. > > > > > > Unfortunately, I seem to be having "senior moments" and I cannot even > get > > > a small test example to work. > > > > > > Perhaps you could post more details. > > > > > > For example, I am not sure how to obtain the record count of the > > > sub-report. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Brad > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Rocky Smolin > > > Sent: Thu 12/5/2013 10:26 PM > > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need to Suppress Main Report Line if > > > therelatedSub-Report has no Data > > > > > > I would use the format event of the detail section to get the record > > count > > > of the sub report and, if it's zero then > > > > > > Me.MoveLayout = False > > > Me.NextRecord = True > > > Me.PrintSection = False > > > > > > HTH > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks > > > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 5:17 PM > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > > Subject: [AccessD] Need to Suppress Main Report Line if the > > > relatedSub-Report has no Data > > > > > > All, > > > > > > I have a report that has one sub-report. This sub-report is tied to a > > > field > > > in the detail lines of the main report. > > > > > > Recently, our users requested that if there is no data in the > sub-report > > > they would like to see the related line on the main report suppressed. > > > > > > I have never tried to do this before. I have set up a little test > Access > > > application and tried a few ideas, but have not found a good solution. > > > > > > Is there a way to accomplish this with Access 2007? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Brad > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > > > This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. > > > Click here to report this message as spam. > > > http://h0stname/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=6A8F528AEB.B87B1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Paul Hartland > > paul.hartland at googlemail.com > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. > > Click here to report this message as spam. > > http://h0stname/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=5AF38285E3.8409B > > > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > -- > Paul Hartland > paul.hartland at googlemail.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. > Click here to report this message as spam. > http://h0stname/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=C6A6A285E3.7AFDB > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. Click here to report this message as spam. http://h0stname/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=CE89C285E3.7124A From BradM at blackforestltd.com Tue Dec 17 12:02:56 2013 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 12:02:56 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] How to Suppress Main Report Line if the Related Sub-Report has no Data - THANKS! References: <006c01cef211$7eea8e70$7cbfab50$@comcast.net><5957ED15F9754F108684B9077B1496F7@HAL9007> Message-ID: Paul, I now have a test Access application working nicely using the code you posted. Thanks a lot, I really appreciate the assistance. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Paul Hartland Sent: Tue 12/17/2013 8:12 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Suppress Main Report Line if the Related Sub-Report has no Data Brad, That was usually the simpilest solution I used to use, just to save messing about with showing and hiding on the actual report, although I have done similar things on the Access XP/2003 versions at an old place of work. If you want to try the skipping of the main report, im sure I used to do something in the detail format of the main report similar to If isnull(Reports![main report]![sub report].Report![fieldname]) then Cancel=true Endif Paul On 17 December 2013 11:54, Brad Marks wrote: > Paul, > > Thanks for the idea. I had not considered this approach yet. > > I was simply trying to use the existing main report query and sub-report > query and then do the main report detail line "suppression" at the report > level rather than at the query level. > > I will dig into the idea that you suggested. > > Thanks again, > > Brad > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Paul Hartland > Sent: Tue 12/17/2013 5:44 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Suppress Main Report Line if the Related > Sub-Report has no Data > > Brad, > > My first thought was couldn't you build a query that links the main data > query into the sub data query and use that as the main report query, then > every main report should have sub report detail and won't show the ones > that don't. > > Paul > > > On 17 December 2013 11:32, Brad Marks wrote: > > > Paul, > > > > Yes, I would like to not show specific main report lines when the > related > > sub-report has no lines. > > > > I thought that this would be easy to do, but I have not be able to figure > > this out after many attempts. > > > > Thanks, > > Brad > > > > PS. Here is the rest of the story... We have an existing Access report > > that works nicely. Recently our users asked for a variation of this > > report. This variation involved the addition of a "Where" condition on > the > > sub-report's underlying query. This works nicely, except that now there > > are many lines on the Main report that do not have any sub-report lines. > > The users would like to not see these extra Main report lines. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Paul Hartland > > Sent: Mon 12/16/2013 10:18 PM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Suppress Main Report Line if the Related > > Sub-Report has no Data > > > > Brad, > > > > Am I clear on this that you don't want to show the main detail/report if > > there is no sub detail/report data ? > > > > Paul > > > > > > On 17 December 2013 01:37, Brad Marks wrote: > > > > > Rocky, > > > > > > Thanks for the help. > > > > > > Unfortunately, I seem to be having "senior moments" and I cannot even > get > > > a small test example to work. > > > > > > Perhaps you could post more details. > > > > > > For example, I am not sure how to obtain the record count of the > > > sub-report. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Brad > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Rocky Smolin > > > Sent: Thu 12/5/2013 10:26 PM > > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need to Suppress Main Report Line if > > > therelatedSub-Report has no Data > > > > > > I would use the format event of the detail section to get the record > > count > > > of the sub report and, if it's zero then > > > > > > Me.MoveLayout = False > > > Me.NextRecord = True > > > Me.PrintSection = False > > > > > > HTH > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks > > > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 5:17 PM > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > > Subject: [AccessD] Need to Suppress Main Report Line if the > > > relatedSub-Report has no Data > > > > > > All, > > > > > > I have a report that has one sub-report. This sub-report is tied to a > > > field > > > in the detail lines of the main report. > > > > > > Recently, our users requested that if there is no data in the > sub-report > > > they would like to see the related line on the main report suppressed. > > > > > > I have never tried to do this before. I have set up a little test > Access > > > application and tried a few ideas, but have not found a good solution. > > > > > > Is there a way to accomplish this with Access 2007? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Brad > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > > > This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. > > > Click here to report this message as spam. > > > http://h0stname/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=6A8F528AEB.B87B1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Paul Hartland > > paul.hartland at googlemail.com > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. > > Click here to report this message as spam. > > http://h0stname/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=5AF38285E3.8409B > > > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > -- > Paul Hartland > paul.hartland at googlemail.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. > Click here to report this message as spam. > http://h0stname/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=C6A6A285E3.7AFDB > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. Click here to report this message as spam. http://h0stname/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=CE89C285E3.7124A From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Dec 19 10:16:28 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 08:16:28 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) Message-ID: Dear List: I have a form which is bound to a temp table. When the form is opened, the temp table records are deleted and re-created with an append query - two tables and two queries linked up. It appends 36 fields. The user reports 5-10 seconds delay opening the form and it is due, AFAICS, to the append query. I have always done a lot of stuff in DAO and find it to be easy to write and fast in its operation. So I could do this in DAO but would it be any faster? MTIA Rocky From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com Thu Dec 19 12:32:42 2013 From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 13:32:42 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rocky, I'm included to say 'it depends'. Depends on the kind of queries, and the nature of the back end. For instance, with an Access back end (mdb or accdb) I find that union queries of large tables tend to be quite slow to run. So I wind up doing a series of append queries into a temporary table and then use a query based on the temporary table. The same is true for an Oracle Back end. The cause is that a complete table scan is needed for union queries as they are implicitly "SELECT DISTINCT ..." queries. With an Oracle back end and large tables if you do... Set Rs = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("Select * from SomeTable",DbOpenDynaset) Rs.FindFirst "SomeField=" & SomeValue ... then the findfirst can take a very long time indeed, but with... Set Rs = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("Select * from SomeTable Where 'SomeField=' & SomeValue ",DbOpenDynaset) ... then the recordset object comes back almost instantly. HTH Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 11:16 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) Dear List: I have a form which is bound to a temp table. When the form is opened, the temp table records are deleted and re-created with an append query - two tables and two queries linked up. It appends 36 fields. The user reports 5-10 seconds delay opening the form and it is due, AFAICS, to the append query. I have always done a lot of stuff in DAO and find it to be easy to write and fast in its operation. So I could do this in DAO but would it be any faster? MTIA Rocky From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com Thu Dec 19 12:33:18 2013 From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 13:33:18 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "I'm inclined" -------- -----Original Message----- From: Heenan, Lambert Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 1:33 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: RE: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) Rocky, I'm included to say 'it depends'. Depends on the kind of queries, and the nature of the back end. For instance, with an Access back end (mdb or accdb) I find that union queries of large tables tend to be quite slow to run. So I wind up doing a series of append queries into a temporary table and then use a query based on the temporary table. The same is true for an Oracle Back end. The cause is that a complete table scan is needed for union queries as they are implicitly "SELECT DISTINCT ..." queries. With an Oracle back end and large tables if you do... Set Rs = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("Select * from SomeTable",DbOpenDynaset) Rs.FindFirst "SomeField=" & SomeValue ... then the findfirst can take a very long time indeed, but with... Set Rs = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("Select * from SomeTable Where 'SomeField=' & SomeValue ",DbOpenDynaset) ... then the recordset object comes back almost instantly. HTH Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 11:16 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) Dear List: I have a form which is bound to a temp table. When the form is opened, the temp table records are deleted and re-created with an append query - two tables and two queries linked up. It appends 36 fields. The user reports 5-10 seconds delay opening the form and it is due, AFAICS, to the append query. I have always done a lot of stuff in DAO and find it to be easy to write and fast in its operation. So I could do this in DAO but would it be any faster? MTIA Rocky From jimdettman at verizon.net Thu Dec 19 13:21:30 2013 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 14:21:30 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3AE3A9166B31450EBD19B72F85F5D770@XPS> If your doing this to allow for row selection in a continuous form, there is a way not to pre-populate the temp table and do it on the fly. Change your join to an outer join, then bind the control to: =Not IsNull(.)) You can then lay a transparent command button over the indicator to toggle the state by inserting/deleting records in the selection table. There is another variation of this as well where you can bind the control to a yes/no field in the selection table and let the user edit the control directly. Row fix up will automatically add the record if it's not there. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 11:16 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) Dear List: I have a form which is bound to a temp table. When the form is opened, the temp table records are deleted and re-created with an append query - two tables and two queries linked up. It appends 36 fields. The user reports 5-10 seconds delay opening the form and it is due, AFAICS, to the append query. I have always done a lot of stuff in DAO and find it to be easy to write and fast in its operation. So I could do this in DAO but would it be any faster? MTIA Rocky From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Sun Dec 22 20:15:06 2013 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 20:15:06 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] It is Time Message-ID: <201312230215.rBN2F8Do027323@databaseadvisors.com> Hey All Time of the year to say Merry Christmas (gosh what a marvellous feeling whether you are rich or poor) and a prosperous New Year to All. Only a couple of days left for me to finish reading the Christmas Carol again for the 15th year. And bah Humbug to those of you that do not believe in the simple magic of the season. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Dec 22 23:13:07 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 21:13:07 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] It is Time In-Reply-To: <201312230215.rBN2F8Do027323@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201312230215.rBN2F8Do027323@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <7915ACD6EDA3471BAF4B2F8F0195D883@HAL9007> Well, Merry Christmas to you, too, and all the rest of you as well. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 6:15 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] It is Time Hey All Time of the year to say Merry Christmas (gosh what a marvellous feeling whether you are rich or poor) and a prosperous New Year to All. Only a couple of days left for me to finish reading the Christmas Carol again for the 15th year. And bah Humbug to those of you that do not believe in the simple magic of the season. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Dec 23 03:45:48 2013 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 10:45:48 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] It is Time Message-ID: Hi Tony et al Thanks. We've made it a tradition to watch the Polar Express the day before Christmas eve. There is magic of the season. This year will be special as I will have hooked up my Technics SB-7000 speakers to honour the great sound. /gustav >>> TSeptav at uniserve.com 23-12-13 3:15 >>> Hey All Time of the year to say Merry Christmas (gosh what a marvellous feeling whether you are rich or poor) and a prosperous New Year to All. Only a couple of days left for me to finish reading the Christmas Carol again for the 15th year. And bah Humbug to those of you that do not believe in the simple magic of the season. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz Tue Dec 24 05:35:12 2013 From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 00:35:12 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2E53E819193D4AACBAAE387F22C2B104@stevelaptop> Hi Rocky How are you running the Delete and Append queries? Do either of the queries that are behind your append query contain user-defined functions or nested domain aggregate functions or anything that causes them to run slowly? If you change your append query to a select query, and run it, do you notice any sluggishness as the datasheet loads your records? Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 5:16 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) Dear List: I have a form which is bound to a temp table. When the form is opened, the temp table records are deleted and re-created with an append query - two tables and two queries linked up. It appends 36 fields. The user reports 5-10 seconds delay opening the form and it is due, AFAICS, to the append query. I have always done a lot of stuff in DAO and find it to be easy to write and fast in its operation. So I could do this in DAO but would it be any faster? MTIA Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Tue Dec 24 07:36:43 2013 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 08:36:43 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) In-Reply-To: <2E53E819193D4AACBAAE387F22C2B104@stevelaptop> References: <2E53E819193D4AACBAAE387F22C2B104@stevelaptop> Message-ID: I have always found that indexed tables are slow to insert records into, but since you say that this is a temporary table that should not be the issue unless... your reference to deleting and appending records refers to a semi permanent table, and more like temporary *records* than a temporary table. You know that the way one usually tests these things is to set up a variety of conditions to see where the most bottle neck or overhead is. This kind of question used to consume me. I think a lot of developers go the temp table route but I guess I would have to ask is there a reason to delete and reappend or can you turn off the recordsource, (and warnings) delete the object, do a marketable turn back on warnings, and reassign the recordsource in less time? I suppose it would depend if your queries made a lot or few changes. Certainly this is easy to test best with extremely small or large data sets and changes. Again, watch our for indexes on the table... if they not needed, don't use them. I also don't pretend to be any good at access programming anymore. On Dec 24, 2013 6:36 AM, "Steve Schapel" wrote: > Hi Rocky > > How are you running the Delete and Append queries? > > Do either of the queries that are behind your append query contain > user-defined functions or nested domain aggregate functions or anything > that causes them to run slowly? If you change your append query to a > select query, and run it, do you notice any sluggishness as the datasheet > loads your records? > > Regards > Steve > > -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin > Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 5:16 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) > > Dear List: > > I have a form which is bound to a temp table. When the form is opened, the > temp table records are deleted and re-created with an append query - two > tables and two queries linked up. It appends 36 fields. > > The user reports 5-10 seconds delay opening the form and it is due, AFAICS, > to the append query. > > I have always done a lot of stuff in DAO and find it to be easy to write > and > fast in its operation. So I could do this in DAO but would it be any > faster? > > MTIA > > Rocky > > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Dec 24 08:31:07 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 06:31:07 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) In-Reply-To: <2E53E819193D4AACBAAE387F22C2B104@stevelaptop> References: <2E53E819193D4AACBAAE387F22C2B104@stevelaptop> Message-ID: The delete is a simple db.Execute "Delete * FROM tblX" The append doesn't have any aggregate or domain functions. When I run it as a select query it pops right up. But I'm running FE & BE local and I think the problem may be bringing all that data across the wire in his place. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 3:35 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) Hi Rocky How are you running the Delete and Append queries? Do either of the queries that are behind your append query contain user-defined functions or nested domain aggregate functions or anything that causes them to run slowly? If you change your append query to a select query, and run it, do you notice any sluggishness as the datasheet loads your records? Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 5:16 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) Dear List: I have a form which is bound to a temp table. When the form is opened, the temp table records are deleted and re-created with an append query - two tables and two queries linked up. It appends 36 fields. The user reports 5-10 seconds delay opening the form and it is due, AFAICS, to the append query. I have always done a lot of stuff in DAO and find it to be easy to write and fast in its operation. So I could do this in DAO but would it be any faster? MTIA Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Dec 24 08:36:57 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 06:36:57 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) In-Reply-To: References: <2E53E819193D4AACBAAE387F22C2B104@stevelaptop> Message-ID: Good idea. Turns out there were 9 indexes (duplicates OK) in the 36 fields. So I deleted them all and will upload an update to the user to see if that speeds up the append. Thanks Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 5:37 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) I have always found that indexed tables are slow to insert records into, but since you say that this is a temporary table that should not be the issue unless... your reference to deleting and appending records refers to a semi permanent table, and more like temporary *records* than a temporary table. You know that the way one usually tests these things is to set up a variety of conditions to see where the most bottle neck or overhead is. This kind of question used to consume me. I think a lot of developers go the temp table route but I guess I would have to ask is there a reason to delete and reappend or can you turn off the recordsource, (and warnings) delete the object, do a marketable turn back on warnings, and reassign the recordsource in less time? I suppose it would depend if your queries made a lot or few changes. Certainly this is easy to test best with extremely small or large data sets and changes. Again, watch our for indexes on the table... if they not needed, don't use them. I also don't pretend to be any good at access programming anymore. On Dec 24, 2013 6:36 AM, "Steve Schapel" wrote: > Hi Rocky > > How are you running the Delete and Append queries? > > Do either of the queries that are behind your append query contain > user-defined functions or nested domain aggregate functions or > anything that causes them to run slowly? If you change your append > query to a select query, and run it, do you notice any sluggishness as > the datasheet loads your records? > > Regards > Steve > > -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin > Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 5:16 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) > > Dear List: > > I have a form which is bound to a temp table. When the form is > opened, the temp table records are deleted and re-created with an > append query - two tables and two queries linked up. It appends 36 fields. > > The user reports 5-10 seconds delay opening the form and it is due, > AFAICS, to the append query. > > I have always done a lot of stuff in DAO and find it to be easy to > write and fast in its operation. So I could do this in DAO but would > it be any faster? > > MTIA > > Rocky > > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Tue Dec 24 13:11:37 2013 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 14:11:37 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) In-Reply-To: References: <2E53E819193D4AACBAAE387F22C2B104@stevelaptop> Message-ID: Fyi marketable was meant to be MakeTable On Dec 24, 2013 9:38 AM, "Rocky Smolin" wrote: > Good idea. Turns out there were 9 indexes (duplicates OK) in the 36 > fields. > So I deleted them all and will upload an update to the user to see if that > speeds up the append. > > Thanks > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson > Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 5:37 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) > > I have always found that indexed tables are slow to insert records into, > but > since you say that this is a temporary table that should not be the issue > unless... your reference to deleting and appending records refers to a semi > permanent table, and more like temporary *records* than a temporary table. > > You know that the way one usually tests these things is to set up a variety > of conditions to see where the most bottle neck or overhead is. > > This kind of question used to consume me. > > I think a lot of developers go the temp table route but I guess I would > have > to ask is there a reason to delete and reappend or can you turn off the > recordsource, (and warnings) delete the object, do a marketable turn back > on > warnings, and reassign the recordsource in less time? I suppose it would > depend if your queries made a lot or few changes. Certainly this is easy to > test best with extremely small or large data sets and changes. > Again, watch our for indexes on the table... if they not needed, don't use > them. > > I also don't pretend to be any good at access programming anymore. > On Dec 24, 2013 6:36 AM, "Steve Schapel" < > steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz> > wrote: > > > Hi Rocky > > > > How are you running the Delete and Append queries? > > > > Do either of the queries that are behind your append query contain > > user-defined functions or nested domain aggregate functions or > > anything that causes them to run slowly? If you change your append > > query to a select query, and run it, do you notice any sluggishness as > > the datasheet loads your records? > > > > Regards > > Steve > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin > > Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 5:16 AM > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) > > > > Dear List: > > > > I have a form which is bound to a temp table. When the form is > > opened, the temp table records are deleted and re-created with an > > append query - two tables and two queries linked up. It appends 36 > fields. > > > > The user reports 5-10 seconds delay opening the form and it is due, > > AFAICS, to the append query. > > > > I have always done a lot of stuff in DAO and find it to be easy to > > write and fast in its operation. So I could do this in DAO but would > > it be any faster? > > > > MTIA > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz Tue Dec 24 13:38:20 2013 From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 08:38:20 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) In-Reply-To: References: <2E53E819193D4AACBAAE387F22C2B104@stevelaptop> Message-ID: <5F18836799E44201A16E027330673221@stevelaptop> 5-10 seconds is a long time, Rocky. Hard to imagine that this is solely caused by network data transfer. How many records are we talking about here? Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2013 3:31 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) The delete is a simple db.Execute "Delete * FROM tblX" The append doesn't have any aggregate or domain functions. When I run it as a select query it pops right up. But I'm running FE & BE local and I think the problem may be bringing all that data across the wire in his place. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 3:35 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) Hi Rocky How are you running the Delete and Append queries? Do either of the queries that are behind your append query contain user-defined functions or nested domain aggregate functions or anything that causes them to run slowly? If you change your append query to a select query, and run it, do you notice any sluggishness as the datasheet loads your records? Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 5:16 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) Dear List: I have a form which is bound to a temp table. When the form is opened, the temp table records are deleted and re-created with an append query - two tables and two queries linked up. It appends 36 fields. The user reports 5-10 seconds delay opening the form and it is due, AFAICS, to the append query. I have always done a lot of stuff in DAO and find it to be easy to write and fast in its operation. So I could do this in DAO but would it be any faster? MTIA Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Dec 24 13:41:33 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 11:41:33 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) In-Reply-To: <5F18836799E44201A16E027330673221@stevelaptop> References: <2E53E819193D4AACBAAE387F22C2B104@stevelaptop> <5F18836799E44201A16E027330673221@stevelaptop> Message-ID: About 1200. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 11:38 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) 5-10 seconds is a long time, Rocky. Hard to imagine that this is solely caused by network data transfer. How many records are we talking about here? Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2013 3:31 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) The delete is a simple db.Execute "Delete * FROM tblX" The append doesn't have any aggregate or domain functions. When I run it as a select query it pops right up. But I'm running FE & BE local and I think the problem may be bringing all that data across the wire in his place. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 3:35 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) Hi Rocky How are you running the Delete and Append queries? Do either of the queries that are behind your append query contain user-defined functions or nested domain aggregate functions or anything that causes them to run slowly? If you change your append query to a select query, and run it, do you notice any sluggishness as the datasheet loads your records? Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 5:16 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) Dear List: I have a form which is bound to a temp table. When the form is opened, the temp table records are deleted and re-created with an append query - two tables and two queries linked up. It appends 36 fields. The user reports 5-10 seconds delay opening the form and it is due, AFAICS, to the append query. I have always done a lot of stuff in DAO and find it to be easy to write and fast in its operation. So I could do this in DAO but would it be any faster? MTIA Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Tue Dec 24 17:52:25 2013 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 17:52:25 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <201312242352.rBONqR0F030670@databaseadvisors.com> Hey All I just do not get you guys. Yes saying Merry Christmas And a Happy New Year may sound superfluous but hey it is time to celebrate with what ever means we have. Shame on you bunch of geeks. This is the time to smile, whether bad or good. And I doubt it but I hope it snows tomorrow. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: December-24-13 1:42 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) About 1200. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 11:38 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) 5-10 seconds is a long time, Rocky. Hard to imagine that this is solely caused by network data transfer. How many records are we talking about here? Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2013 3:31 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) The delete is a simple db.Execute "Delete * FROM tblX" The append doesn't have any aggregate or domain functions. When I run it as a select query it pops right up. But I'm running FE & BE local and I think the problem may be bringing all that data across the wire in his place. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 3:35 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) Hi Rocky How are you running the Delete and Append queries? Do either of the queries that are behind your append query contain user-defined functions or nested domain aggregate functions or anything that causes them to run slowly? If you change your append query to a select query, and run it, do you notice any sluggishness as the datasheet loads your records? Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 5:16 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) Dear List: I have a form which is bound to a temp table. When the form is opened, the temp table records are deleted and re-created with an append query - two tables and two queries linked up. It appends 36 fields. The user reports 5-10 seconds delay opening the form and it is due, AFAICS, to the append query. I have always done a lot of stuff in DAO and find it to be easy to write and fast in its operation. So I could do this in DAO but would it be any faster? MTIA Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From BradM at blackforestltd.com Tue Dec 24 19:25:56 2013 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 19:25:56 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) References: <201312242352.rBONqR0F030670@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Tony, Tons of extra snow here in Minnesota. I will send some out to you as an email attachment as soon as I figure out how to do so. Merry Christmas Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Tony Septav Sent: Tue 12/24/2013 5:52 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) Hey All I just do not get you guys. Yes saying Merry Christmas And a Happy New Year may sound superfluous but hey it is time to celebrate with what ever means we have. Shame on you bunch of geeks. This is the time to smile, whether bad or good. And I doubt it but I hope it snows tomorrow. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: December-24-13 1:42 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) About 1200. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 11:38 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) 5-10 seconds is a long time, Rocky. Hard to imagine that this is solely caused by network data transfer. How many records are we talking about here? Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2013 3:31 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) The delete is a simple db.Execute "Delete * FROM tblX" The append doesn't have any aggregate or domain functions. When I run it as a select query it pops right up. But I'm running FE & BE local and I think the problem may be bringing all that data across the wire in his place. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 3:35 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) Hi Rocky How are you running the Delete and Append queries? Do either of the queries that are behind your append query contain user-defined functions or nested domain aggregate functions or anything that causes them to run slowly? If you change your append query to a select query, and run it, do you notice any sluggishness as the datasheet loads your records? Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 5:16 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) Dear List: I have a form which is bound to a temp table. When the form is opened, the temp table records are deleted and re-created with an append query - two tables and two queries linked up. It appends 36 fields. The user reports 5-10 seconds delay opening the form and it is due, AFAICS, to the append query. I have always done a lot of stuff in DAO and find it to be easy to write and fast in its operation. So I could do this in DAO but would it be any faster? 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Click here to report this message as spam. http://h0stname/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=74E0A28C36.214FD From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Dec 24 19:55:09 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 20:55:09 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) In-Reply-To: References: <201312242352.rBONqR0F030670@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: I don't know how this thread got started but it seems way out of line. Let;s try to do our jobs and also have a happy holiday season. That's all I'm asking, is peace on earth and the next check paid. Oh I almost forgot, I really want to sleep with Penelope Cruz. Santa, I hope that you're listening, and that you can persuade Javier to let her loose for one night. Other than that, I don't need any tablets or smart phones, you can forget about all of that. Just give me Penelope for one dinner and evening, and then you can kill me and I'll die a happy man. A. From vbacreations at gmail.com Tue Dec 24 20:04:53 2013 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 21:04:53 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) In-Reply-To: References: <201312242352.rBONqR0F030670@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: You are right it IS way out of line. If you want to sleep with Penelope Cruz you WILL have to get in line. I am stilk trying to learn if Rocky goes with my MakeTable idea as a cure fir append-i-citis. On Dec 24, 2013 8:55 PM, "Arthur Fuller" wrote: > I don't know how this thread got started but it seems way out of line. > Let;s try to do our jobs and also have a happy holiday season. That's all > I'm asking, is peace on earth and the next check paid. Oh I almost forgot, > I really want to sleep with Penelope Cruz. Santa, I hope that you're > listening, and that you can persuade Javier to let her loose for one night. > Other than that, I don't need any tablets or smart phones, you can forget > about all of that. Just give me Penelope for one dinner and evening, and > then you can kill me and I'll die a happy man. > > A. > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Dec 24 23:55:23 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 21:55:23 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) In-Reply-To: <201312242352.rBONqR0F030670@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201312242352.rBONqR0F030670@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: We went to see Ender's Game this afternoon and then a big sushi feast. Tomorrow some family coming over and we're going to spatchcock a turkey! Merry Christmas to all... r -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 3:52 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) Hey All I just do not get you guys. Yes saying Merry Christmas And a Happy New Year may sound superfluous but hey it is time to celebrate with what ever means we have. Shame on you bunch of geeks. This is the time to smile, whether bad or good. And I doubt it but I hope it snows tomorrow. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: December-24-13 1:42 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) About 1200. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 11:38 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) 5-10 seconds is a long time, Rocky. Hard to imagine that this is solely caused by network data transfer. How many records are we talking about here? Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2013 3:31 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) The delete is a simple db.Execute "Delete * FROM tblX" The append doesn't have any aggregate or domain functions. When I run it as a select query it pops right up. But I'm running FE & BE local and I think the problem may be bringing all that data across the wire in his place. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 3:35 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) Hi Rocky How are you running the Delete and Append queries? Do either of the queries that are behind your append query contain user-defined functions or nested domain aggregate functions or anything that causes them to run slowly? If you change your append query to a select query, and run it, do you notice any sluggishness as the datasheet loads your records? Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 5:16 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) Dear List: I have a form which is bound to a temp table. When the form is opened, the temp table records are deleted and re-created with an append query - two tables and two queries linked up. It appends 36 fields. The user reports 5-10 seconds delay opening the form and it is due, AFAICS, to the append query. I have always done a lot of stuff in DAO and find it to be easy to write and fast in its operation. So I could do this in DAO but would it be any faster? MTIA Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Dec 25 06:54:46 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 07:54:46 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) In-Reply-To: References: <201312242352.rBONqR0F030670@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: I loved Ender's Game (the book) that I've been afraid to see the movie. How was it? On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 12:55 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > We went to see Ender's Game this afternoon and then a big sushi feast. > Tomorrow some family coming over and we're going to spatchcock a turkey! > > Merry Christmas to all... > > > r > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav > Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 3:52 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) > > Hey All > I just do not get you guys. Yes saying Merry Christmas And a Happy New Year > may sound superfluous but hey it is time to celebrate with what ever means > we have. Shame on you bunch of geeks. This is the time to smile, whether > bad > or good. And I doubt it but I hope it snows tomorrow. > > Tony Septav > Nanaimo, BC > Canada > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: December-24-13 1:42 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) > > About 1200. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel > Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 11:38 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) > > 5-10 seconds is a long time, Rocky. Hard to imagine that this is solely > caused by network data transfer. How many records are we talking about > here? > > Regards > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin > Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2013 3:31 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) > > The delete is a simple db.Execute "Delete * FROM tblX" > > The append doesn't have any aggregate or domain functions. When I run it > as > a select query it pops right up. > > But I'm running FE & BE local and I think the problem may be bringing all > that data across the wire in his place. > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel > Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 3:35 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) > > Hi Rocky > > How are you running the Delete and Append queries? > > Do either of the queries that are behind your append query contain > user-defined functions or nested domain aggregate functions or anything > that > causes them to run slowly? If you change your append query to a select > query, and run it, do you notice any sluggishness as the datasheet loads > your records? > > Regards > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin > Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 5:16 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) > > Dear List: > > I have a form which is bound to a temp table. When the form is opened, the > temp table records are deleted and re-created with an append query - two > tables and two queries linked up. It appends 36 fields. > > The user reports 5-10 seconds delay opening the form and it is due, AFAICS, > to the append query. > > I have always done a lot of stuff in DAO and find it to be easy to write > and > fast in its operation. So I could do this in DAO but would it be any > faster? > > MTIA > > Rocky > > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From jackandpat.d at gmail.com Wed Dec 25 07:27:35 2013 From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 08:27:35 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) In-Reply-To: References: <201312242352.rBONqR0F030670@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all...! jack On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I loved Ender's Game (the book) that I've been afraid to see the movie. How > was it? > > > On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 12:55 AM, Rocky Smolin >wrote: > > > We went to see Ender's Game this afternoon and then a big sushi feast. > > Tomorrow some family coming over and we're going to spatchcock a turkey! > > > > Merry Christmas to all... > > > > > > r > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav > > Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 3:52 PM > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this > case) > > > > Hey All > > I just do not get you guys. Yes saying Merry Christmas And a Happy New > Year > > may sound superfluous but hey it is time to celebrate with what ever > means > > we have. Shame on you bunch of geeks. This is the time to smile, whether > > bad > > or good. And I doubt it but I hope it snows tomorrow. > > > > Tony Septav > > Nanaimo, BC > > Canada > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > > Sent: December-24-13 1:42 PM > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this > case) > > > > About 1200. > > > > R > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel > > Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 11:38 AM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this > case) > > > > 5-10 seconds is a long time, Rocky. Hard to imagine that this is solely > > caused by network data transfer. How many records are we talking about > > here? > > > > Regards > > Steve > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rocky Smolin > > Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2013 3:31 AM > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this > case) > > > > The delete is a simple db.Execute "Delete * FROM tblX" > > > > The append doesn't have any aggregate or domain functions. When I run it > > as > > a select query it pops right up. > > > > But I'm running FE & BE local and I think the problem may be bringing all > > that data across the wire in his place. > > > > R > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel > > Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 3:35 AM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this > case) > > > > Hi Rocky > > > > How are you running the Delete and Append queries? > > > > Do either of the queries that are behind your append query contain > > user-defined functions or nested domain aggregate functions or anything > > that > > causes them to run slowly? If you change your append query to a select > > query, and run it, do you notice any sluggishness as the datasheet loads > > your records? > > > > Regards > > Steve > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rocky Smolin > > Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 5:16 AM > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) > > > > Dear List: > > > > I have a form which is bound to a temp table. When the form is opened, > the > > temp table records are deleted and re-created with an append query - two > > tables and two queries linked up. It appends 36 fields. > > > > The user reports 5-10 seconds delay opening the form and it is due, > AFAICS, > > to the append query. > > > > I have always done a lot of stuff in DAO and find it to be easy to write > > and > > fast in its operation. So I could do this in DAO but would it be any > > faster? > > > > MTIA > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Arthur > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Dec 25 07:44:38 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 05:44:38 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) In-Reply-To: References: <201312242352.rBONqR0F030670@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <4017013484EA4B39BDD399864DB6D722@HAL9007> I liked it totally. There's things you can criticize about it, but it was a lot of fun - good graphics, good action scenes - sort of like Star Trek movies - not deep but fun to watch. The book was better. Perforce. There's not time in a movie to develop characters as you can in a book. His sister, Valentine, and his brother have their own plot line in the book which was very important but they just couldn't do it in the movie - it would have been a 4 hour movie. Bean was a good character in the book - not well developed in the movie. Of course, it's one of those movies that, if you've read the book, you fill in the gaps. Noah commented that the characters and settings were close to what he imagined as he read the book. I'd have to agree. But it followed the plot for the most part. And they did bring the primary conflict to the fore. Harrison Ford put in a real good performance, Ben Kingsley is always good, as did Asa Butterfield who played Wiggin although his character didn't have a real wide range of emotional response in the movie. I'd give it a shot, Arthur. Just don't think about it too deeply and you'll have a good time. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2013 4:55 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) I loved Ender's Game (the book) that I've been afraid to see the movie. How was it? On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 12:55 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > We went to see Ender's Game this afternoon and then a big sushi feast. > Tomorrow some family coming over and we're going to spatchcock a turkey! > > Merry Christmas to all... > > > r > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav > Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 3:52 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this > case) > > Hey All > I just do not get you guys. Yes saying Merry Christmas And a Happy New > Year may sound superfluous but hey it is time to celebrate with what > ever means we have. Shame on you bunch of geeks. This is the time to > smile, whether bad or good. And I doubt it but I hope it snows > tomorrow. > > Tony Septav > Nanaimo, BC > Canada > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin > Sent: December-24-13 1:42 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this > case) > > About 1200. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve > Schapel > Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 11:38 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this > case) > > 5-10 seconds is a long time, Rocky. Hard to imagine that this is > solely caused by network data transfer. How many records are we > talking about here? > > Regards > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin > Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2013 3:31 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this > case) > > The delete is a simple db.Execute "Delete * FROM tblX" > > The append doesn't have any aggregate or domain functions. When I run > it as a select query it pops right up. > > But I'm running FE & BE local and I think the problem may be bringing > all that data across the wire in his place. > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve > Schapel > Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 3:35 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this > case) > > Hi Rocky > > How are you running the Delete and Append queries? > > Do either of the queries that are behind your append query contain > user-defined functions or nested domain aggregate functions or > anything that causes them to run slowly? If you change your append > query to a select query, and run it, do you notice any sluggishness as > the datasheet loads your records? > > Regards > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin > Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 5:16 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) > > Dear List: > > I have a form which is bound to a temp table. When the form is > opened, the temp table records are deleted and re-created with an > append query - two tables and two queries linked up. It appends 36 fields. > > The user reports 5-10 seconds delay opening the form and it is due, > AFAICS, to the append query. > > I have always done a lot of stuff in DAO and find it to be easy to > write and fast in its operation. So I could do this in DAO but would > it be any faster? > > MTIA > > Rocky > > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Thu Dec 26 13:10:12 2013 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2013 14:10:12 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Which is faster DAO or Append Query? (in this case) In-Reply-To: <4017013484EA4B39BDD399864DB6D722@HAL9007> References: <201312242352.rBONqR0F030670@databaseadvisors.com> <4017013484EA4B39BDD399864DB6D722@HAL9007> Message-ID: > On Dec 25, 2013 8:45 AM, "Rocky Smolin" wrote: >The book was better. Perforce. Regarding the book... as I have not seen the movie... Ender's Game and the sequels ... read them all more than one time... are okay, but to me they get far more credit than they deserve in terms of literary masterworks of their genre. OSC always tries hard, you can see that... but he is about as shallow as Stephen King. I CAN imagine the movie being better than the book because in movies I am anxious to just get on with things, from an author I expect so much more. Tolkien's LOTR I find myself never tiring of. I re-read the trilogy and the Hobbit... and think Peter Jackson's adaptations are great and re-watch them often whether they are faithful to the author's works or not doesn't bother me a bit. Alas, Ender's Game is destined to become a classic for the wrong reason (s) the same as, say, the Dark Tower novels will one day be classics... because they found popularity in an age where literacy rates were their highest but standards only slightly above Marvel comics get literary accolades. Ender Smash Bugger World Roland Shoot Lobstrocity. OH AND MAN! DOES OSC GET PREACHY, while playing "On The Other Hand..." with every thought expressed by his main and tertiary characters. He does that in all his novels and it is soooo painful to get through the self-dialog. Enuff said, now let's get back to append vs toggling recordsource in order to rebuild using table queries.Maybe trying to work with tables that are bound to controls would be slower than otherwise?? From jeff.developer at gmail.com Sat Dec 28 09:27:55 2013 From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff B) Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 09:27:55 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Asp.net photo gallery - Facebook style Message-ID: <006001cf03e1$6429f530$2c7ddf90$@gmail.com> Sorry for the cross posting, but the VB list seems to be very, very quiet right now. Might be due to the Holidays, or it might just be that quiet right now. Anyway, does anyone here have any experience trying to create a Facebook type photo gallery in vb.net? I have found some samples, which are close enough, but I need to be able to go to a specific shared folder on my network. I also have an issue in that some of the folder names contain spaces and before you ask, renaming all the folders to remove the spaces would be a long and involved process I don't want to have to do if I don't have to - it would require a lot of rewriting of the access 'app' and the web 'app'. Any help is greatly appreciated, pointers in the right direction, code snippets, etc. Jeff Barrows MCP, MCAD, MCSD Racine, WI jeff.developer at gmail.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Dec 31 04:59:33 2013 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 11:59:33 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Learning in the new year Message-ID: Hi all This reminded me that no learning curve should be regarded too steep or immense, though I often get that feeling with all the programming techniques of today. http://www.viralnova.com/hidden-dam/ Happy New Year! Gustav