From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Feb 1 00:40:38 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 16:40:38 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Back-up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <510B6366.25829.71D2D9A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Shadowcopy with a scheduled task batch file? http://www.runtime.org/data-recovery-products.htm On 31 Jan 2013 at 21:05, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > User is looking for a backup system. > > Any votes for favorite? > > TIA > > Rocky > > > _____ > > From: Frank Federman [mailto:ffederman at roadrunner.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 1:00 PM > To: info at e-z-mrp.com > Cc: 'rich lindkamp' > Subject: Back-up > > > > Hi Rocky - > > > > Can you recommend an automatic back-up program (similar to Carbonite) that > works well with E-Z MRP? We just recovered from a server crash, and found > out that Carbonite does poorly, if at all, with databases. Fortunately, we > had a not-too-old manual back up copy of E-Z on hand, but I'd like to do it > automatically, and off-site (cloud) based, if possible. > > > > Thanks for any advice. > > > > Frank Federman > > Active Thermal Management, Inc. > > (661) 294-7999 - voice > > (207) 967-4047-- fax > > frankf at activethermal.com > > > > The Trusted Name in Thermal Protection > > > > CELEBRATING OVER 14 YEARS OF QUIET COOLING! 1999-2013 > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz Fri Feb 1 01:13:18 2013 From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 20:13:18 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Back-up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <447118B25A7D4295BB8977AC47FA3B69@stevelaptop> Hi Rocky I really, really like http://www.jungledisk.com/ Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 6:05 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] FW: Back-up Dear List: User is looking for a backup system. Any votes for favorite? TIA Rocky _____ From: Frank Federman [mailto:ffederman at roadrunner.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 1:00 PM To: info at e-z-mrp.com Cc: 'rich lindkamp' Subject: Back-up Hi Rocky - Can you recommend an automatic back-up program (similar to Carbonite) that works well with E-Z MRP? We just recovered from a server crash, and found out that Carbonite does poorly, if at all, with databases. Fortunately, we had a not-too-old manual back up copy of E-Z on hand, but I'd like to do it automatically, and off-site (cloud) based, if possible. Thanks for any advice. Frank Federman Active Thermal Management, Inc. (661) 294-7999 - voice (207) 967-4047-- fax frankf at activethermal.com The Trusted Name in Thermal Protection CELEBRATING OVER 14 YEARS OF QUIET COOLING! 1999-2013 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 03:09:56 2013 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 17:09:56 +0800 Subject: [AccessD] Photo Management Message-ID: I would not be surprised if this has been tackled either here or on other forums, but I am looking for a way to manage photos and move them from wherever I encounter them in the windows explorer (often showing in preview mode) to distinct folders in a variety of locations without performing all required actions at one time. For example, if I encounter 6 among 36 files which I think should be moved to a folder called "Friends" I would like to tag them in a way that I can move them all at one time, wherever they are, even when I am no longer looking at the folder they are located in. So I am envisioning some sort of file managing system which is part database, part OS file system manager. I thought Access might be able to do this, perhaps showing me the contents of folders (items which are images) and loading an image control with the image, then I would choose something from a drop down which would help me tag the item while also storing information about where it had been, what it had been named, perhaps giving me a field which lets me rename it (while testing that I am not duplicate naming it) - but doing nothing to the original file until I am ready to execute the operation hich moves and renames all files at one time. I have found I cannot do this conveniently through the Operating System, and I cannot review planned changes without of course actually executing the changes - by which point in time it is too late. Such as moving something from folder A to folder B and renaming it from X to Y... all the original information is lost and there is no way to undo the change later. But if I could retain the old name and location, I could "reset" the operation" by reversing what I had done. I think a VBA application would help with a project of this nature. Anyone have any ideas how to approach this without reinventing the wheel? From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Feb 1 04:26:42 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 11:26:42 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Access App to Web Page Message-ID: <005801ce0066$a13ae9e0$e3b0bda0$@cactus.dk> Hi Tony Are they serious? /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Tony Septav Sendt: 31. januar 2013 20:37 Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Emne: [AccessD] Access App to Web Page They have a limited budget and would like quote. They mentioned Oracle ... From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 04:40:26 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 05:40:26 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Access App to Web Page In-Reply-To: <005801ce0066$a13ae9e0$e3b0bda0$@cactus.dk> References: <005801ce0066$a13ae9e0$e3b0bda0$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: To anyone considering moving an Access app to the web, let me suggest AlphaFive. I have no financial interest in said company, but what I can say is this: It blows the doors off Access, and it comes complete with web-smarts. There's a free trial that you can download at once, and once you see what this baby can do, you will be most happy to abandon Access, I say this as a professional Access developer of about 20 years' experience. Granted the port from VBA code to XBasic code is not trivial, but on the other hand XBasic is a genuine O-O language. I have no financial interest in this company. All I can say is, this software blows the doors off Access. On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 5:26 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Tony > > Are they serious? > > /gustav > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Tony Septav > Sendt: 31. januar 2013 20:37 > Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Emne: [AccessD] Access App to Web Page > > They have a limited budget and would like quote. > They mentioned Oracle ... > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From df.waters at comcast.net Fri Feb 1 08:14:37 2013 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 08:14:37 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Back-up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003901ce0086$78599ec0$690cdc40$@comcast.net> Hi Rocky, I use Norton Ghost 15 and like it, but it doesn't backup to the 'cloud'. It also only costs $12 disk only. The Top Ten Reviews site might be helpful to your customer: http://data-backup-software-review.toptenreviews.com/ Good Luck! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 11:05 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] FW: Back-up Dear List: User is looking for a backup system. Any votes for favorite? TIA Rocky _____ From: Frank Federman [mailto:ffederman at roadrunner.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 1:00 PM To: info at e-z-mrp.com Cc: 'rich lindkamp' Subject: Back-up Hi Rocky - Can you recommend an automatic back-up program (similar to Carbonite) that works well with E-Z MRP? We just recovered from a server crash, and found out that Carbonite does poorly, if at all, with databases. Fortunately, we had a not-too-old manual back up copy of E-Z on hand, but I'd like to do it automatically, and off-site (cloud) based, if possible. Thanks for any advice. Frank Federman Active Thermal Management, Inc. (661) 294-7999 - voice (207) 967-4047-- fax frankf at activethermal.com The Trusted Name in Thermal Protection CELEBRATING OVER 14 YEARS OF QUIET COOLING! 1999-2013 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 08:22:42 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 09:22:42 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server Migration Wizard Message-ID: <510BCFB2.5050600@gmail.com> I got a day job recently. As part of that job I am tasked with upsizing several (or perhaps hundreds of) Access databases to SQL Server. So I went out to the internet and discovered the SSMA tool which has a variant specific to Access. While I just started playing with it all I can say is WOW. I tried it on a raw, unsplit database which has ODBC linked tables to SQL Server as well as pass through queries etc. I am just trying to see what it does in such a case. However I also split a database using the split wizard and then migrated that using the SSMA and it just went. Awsome. Tables, indexes, PKs, etc. I want to discover what happens with tables where there is referential integrity established so I added that to a table pair that were in fact related and re-migrated those two tables. I did not check the cascade update / delete though I will go back and do that just to see what happens. My question is how do I see the constraint preventing deletion of parent records when the child exists? Where in the SSMS GUI can I visually see that stuff? -- John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From dbdoug at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 08:58:33 2013 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 06:58:33 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Back-up In-Reply-To: <003901ce0086$78599ec0$690cdc40$@comcast.net> References: <003901ce0086$78599ec0$690cdc40$@comcast.net> Message-ID: I've used SyncBack for years: http://www.2brightsparks.com/ Doug On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 6:14 AM, Dan Waters wrote: > Hi Rocky, > > I use Norton Ghost 15 and like it, but it doesn't backup to the 'cloud'. > It > also only costs $12 disk only. > > The Top Ten Reviews site might be helpful to your customer: > http://data-backup-software-review.toptenreviews.com/ > > Good Luck! > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 11:05 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] FW: Back-up > > Dear List: > > User is looking for a backup system. > > Any votes for favorite? > > TIA > > Rocky > > > _____ > > From: Frank Federman [mailto:ffederman at roadrunner.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 1:00 PM > To: info at e-z-mrp.com > Cc: 'rich lindkamp' > Subject: Back-up > > > > Hi Rocky - > > > > Can you recommend an automatic back-up program (similar to Carbonite) that > works well with E-Z MRP? We just recovered from a server crash, and found > out that Carbonite does poorly, if at all, with databases. Fortunately, we > had a not-too-old manual back up copy of E-Z on hand, but I'd like to do it > automatically, and off-site (cloud) based, if possible. > > > > Thanks for any advice. > > > > Frank Federman > > Active Thermal Management, Inc. > > (661) 294-7999 - voice > > (207) 967-4047-- fax > > frankf at activethermal.com > > > > The Trusted Name in Thermal Protection > > > > CELEBRATING OVER 14 YEARS OF QUIET COOLING! 1999-2013 > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 09:02:48 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 10:02:48 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server Migration Wizard In-Reply-To: <510BCFB2.5050600@gmail.com> References: <510BCFB2.5050600@gmail.com> Message-ID: First, you look lovely in your shirt and tie, John. Next, while the SSMA is a godsend, do not expect it do tie your shoelaces, or any other constraints Do a little work, otherwise why are they paying you? Always remember that you can be replaced by a robot made in some Asian country. So be thankful that you still have a job. A. From df.waters at comcast.net Fri Feb 1 09:17:56 2013 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 09:17:56 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server Migration Wizard In-Reply-To: <510BCFB2.5050600@gmail.com> References: <510BCFB2.5050600@gmail.com> Message-ID: <004601ce008f$50abc200$f2034600$@comcast.net> Hi John, Another tool I've used is called MUST (http://www.upsizing.co.uk/). It's a for pay product, but could IBM afford it? I have used it a few years ago, and it did help me identify a data corruption problem where SSMA did not. They also have a comparison table between SSMA and the two versions of MUST (http://www.upsizing.co.uk/Pdfs/dataquerycomparison.pdf). On their web site they also have a long list of 'how to' pages which might also be helpful. Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 8:23 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server Migration Wizard I got a day job recently. As part of that job I am tasked with upsizing several (or perhaps hundreds of) Access databases to SQL Server. So I went out to the internet and discovered the SSMA tool which has a variant specific to Access. While I just started playing with it all I can say is WOW. I tried it on a raw, unsplit database which has ODBC linked tables to SQL Server as well as pass through queries etc. I am just trying to see what it does in such a case. However I also split a database using the split wizard and then migrated that using the SSMA and it just went. Awsome. Tables, indexes, PKs, etc. I want to discover what happens with tables where there is referential integrity established so I added that to a table pair that were in fact related and re-migrated those two tables. I did not check the cascade update / delete though I will go back and do that just to see what happens. My question is how do I see the constraint preventing deletion of parent records when the child exists? Where in the SSMS GUI can I visually see that stuff? -- John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Feb 1 09:36:12 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 07:36:12 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Back-up In-Reply-To: <003901ce0086$78599ec0$690cdc40$@comcast.net> References: <003901ce0086$78599ec0$690cdc40$@comcast.net> Message-ID: I use it to. Have for many years. Not the latest in technology but seems to always work on the rare occasions I need to recover a file. Will forward to the user. Thanks Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 6:15 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Back-up Hi Rocky, I use Norton Ghost 15 and like it, but it doesn't backup to the 'cloud'. It also only costs $12 disk only. The Top Ten Reviews site might be helpful to your customer: http://data-backup-software-review.toptenreviews.com/ Good Luck! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 11:05 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] FW: Back-up Dear List: User is looking for a backup system. Any votes for favorite? TIA Rocky _____ From: Frank Federman [mailto:ffederman at roadrunner.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 1:00 PM To: info at e-z-mrp.com Cc: 'rich lindkamp' Subject: Back-up Hi Rocky - Can you recommend an automatic back-up program (similar to Carbonite) that works well with E-Z MRP? We just recovered from a server crash, and found out that Carbonite does poorly, if at all, with databases. Fortunately, we had a not-too-old manual back up copy of E-Z on hand, but I'd like to do it automatically, and off-site (cloud) based, if possible. Thanks for any advice. Frank Federman Active Thermal Management, Inc. (661) 294-7999 - voice (207) 967-4047-- fax frankf at activethermal.com The Trusted Name in Thermal Protection CELEBRATING OVER 14 YEARS OF QUIET COOLING! 1999-2013 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Feb 1 09:36:25 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 07:36:25 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Back-up In-Reply-To: References: <003901ce0086$78599ec0$690cdc40$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Will forward to the user. Thanks Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 6:59 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Back-up I've used SyncBack for years: http://www.2brightsparks.com/ Doug On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 6:14 AM, Dan Waters wrote: > Hi Rocky, > > I use Norton Ghost 15 and like it, but it doesn't backup to the 'cloud'. > It > also only costs $12 disk only. > > The Top Ten Reviews site might be helpful to your customer: > http://data-backup-software-review.toptenreviews.com/ > > Good Luck! > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 11:05 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] FW: Back-up > > Dear List: > > User is looking for a backup system. > > Any votes for favorite? > > TIA > > Rocky > > > _____ > > From: Frank Federman [mailto:ffederman at roadrunner.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 1:00 PM > To: info at e-z-mrp.com > Cc: 'rich lindkamp' > Subject: Back-up > > > > Hi Rocky - > > > > Can you recommend an automatic back-up program (similar to Carbonite) > that works well with E-Z MRP? We just recovered from a server crash, > and found out that Carbonite does poorly, if at all, with databases. > Fortunately, we had a not-too-old manual back up copy of E-Z on hand, > but I'd like to do it automatically, and off-site (cloud) based, if possible. > > > > Thanks for any advice. > > > > Frank Federman > > Active Thermal Management, Inc. > > (661) 294-7999 - voice > > (207) 967-4047-- fax > > frankf at activethermal.com > > > > The Trusted Name in Thermal Protection > > > > CELEBRATING OVER 14 YEARS OF QUIET COOLING! 1999-2013 > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Feb 1 09:36:46 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 07:36:46 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Back-up In-Reply-To: <510B6366.25829.71D2D9A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <510B6366.25829.71D2D9A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Will forward to the user. Thanks Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:41 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Back-up Shadowcopy with a scheduled task batch file? http://www.runtime.org/data-recovery-products.htm On 31 Jan 2013 at 21:05, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > User is looking for a backup system. > > Any votes for favorite? > > TIA > > Rocky > > > _____ > > From: Frank Federman [mailto:ffederman at roadrunner.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 1:00 PM > To: info at e-z-mrp.com > Cc: 'rich lindkamp' > Subject: Back-up > > > > Hi Rocky - > > > > Can you recommend an automatic back-up program (similar to Carbonite) > that works well with E-Z MRP? We just recovered from a server crash, > and found out that Carbonite does poorly, if at all, with databases. > Fortunately, we had a not-too-old manual back up copy of E-Z on hand, > but I'd like to do it automatically, and off-site (cloud) based, if possible. > > > > Thanks for any advice. > > > > Frank Federman > > Active Thermal Management, Inc. > > (661) 294-7999 - voice > > (207) 967-4047-- fax > > frankf at activethermal.com > > > > The Trusted Name in Thermal Protection > > > > CELEBRATING OVER 14 YEARS OF QUIET COOLING! 1999-2013 > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Feb 1 09:36:54 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 07:36:54 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Back-up In-Reply-To: <447118B25A7D4295BB8977AC47FA3B69@stevelaptop> References: <447118B25A7D4295BB8977AC47FA3B69@stevelaptop> Message-ID: <7F4D8FE2DA8845E480113680D7E27BEC@HAL9007> Will forward to the user. Thanks Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 11:13 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Back-up Hi Rocky I really, really like http://www.jungledisk.com/ Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 6:05 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] FW: Back-up Dear List: User is looking for a backup system. Any votes for favorite? TIA Rocky _____ From: Frank Federman [mailto:ffederman at roadrunner.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 1:00 PM To: info at e-z-mrp.com Cc: 'rich lindkamp' Subject: Back-up Hi Rocky - Can you recommend an automatic back-up program (similar to Carbonite) that works well with E-Z MRP? We just recovered from a server crash, and found out that Carbonite does poorly, if at all, with databases. Fortunately, we had a not-too-old manual back up copy of E-Z on hand, but I'd like to do it automatically, and off-site (cloud) based, if possible. Thanks for any advice. Frank Federman Active Thermal Management, Inc. (661) 294-7999 - voice (207) 967-4047-- fax frankf at activethermal.com The Trusted Name in Thermal Protection CELEBRATING OVER 14 YEARS OF QUIET COOLING! 1999-2013 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 09:44:36 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 10:44:36 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server Migration Wizard In-Reply-To: <004601ce008f$50abc200$f2034600$@comcast.net> References: <510BCFB2.5050600@gmail.com> <004601ce008f$50abc200$f2034600$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <510BE2E4.1080502@gmail.com> The first problem I run into is "Is it on IBM's list of approved vendors?" Most small guys are not. Just as an example I went to RickFisher's web site... blocked by the browser. Microsoft definitely is approved and SSMA is not blocked so I just downloaded it and ran. My question of course is on the SQL Server side, via SSMS, how do I see information about the relationships. I managed to get the Database Diagrams pane to show and sure enough, the existing relationships between the two tables is displayed as soon as I drag them out on thhe diagram. GOOD NEWS! John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/1/2013 10:17 AM, Dan Waters wrote: > Hi John, > > Another tool I've used is called MUST (http://www.upsizing.co.uk/). It's a > for pay product, but could IBM afford it? > > I have used it a few years ago, and it did help me identify a data > corruption problem where SSMA did not. They also have a comparison table > between SSMA and the two versions of MUST > (http://www.upsizing.co.uk/Pdfs/dataquerycomparison.pdf). > > On their web site they also have a long list of 'how to' pages which might > also be helpful. > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 8:23 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server Migration Wizard > > I got a day job recently. As part of that job I am tasked with upsizing > several (or perhaps hundreds of) Access databases to SQL Server. So I went > out to the internet and discovered the SSMA tool which has a variant > specific to Access. While I just started playing with it all I can say is > WOW. I tried it on a raw, unsplit database which has ODBC linked tables to > SQL Server as well as pass through queries etc. I am just trying to see > what it does in such a case. > > However I also split a database using the split wizard and then migrated > that using the SSMA and it just went. Awsome. Tables, indexes, PKs, etc. > I want to discover what happens with tables where there is referential > integrity established so I added that to a table pair that were in fact > related and re-migrated those two tables. I did not check the cascade > update / delete though I will go back and do that just to see what happens. > > My question is how do I see the constraint preventing deletion of parent > records when the child exists? Where in the SSMS GUI can I visually see > that stuff? > > -- > John W. Colby > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Feb 1 10:18:20 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 08:18:20 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Photo Management In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi William: I am not sure precisely what you want but the wife (and I for a small part) keep a lot of photos; many from travelling, art and family. We have well over 30,000 photos. The program we use to manage all these photo, from anywhere in the network, has an excellent cataloguing system, a good set of filters, format options, sending, emailing, printing, even face recognition, is Picasa, from Google: http://picasa.google.ca/ It can also, to the best of my knowledge work or be made to work on any platform. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 1:10 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Photo Management I would not be surprised if this has been tackled either here or on other forums, but I am looking for a way to manage photos and move them from wherever I encounter them in the windows explorer (often showing in preview mode) to distinct folders in a variety of locations without performing all required actions at one time. For example, if I encounter 6 among 36 files which I think should be moved to a folder called "Friends" I would like to tag them in a way that I can move them all at one time, wherever they are, even when I am no longer looking at the folder they are located in. So I am envisioning some sort of file managing system which is part database, part OS file system manager. I thought Access might be able to do this, perhaps showing me the contents of folders (items which are images) and loading an image control with the image, then I would choose something from a drop down which would help me tag the item while also storing information about where it had been, what it had been named, perhaps giving me a field which lets me rename it (while testing that I am not duplicate naming it) - but doing nothing to the original file until I am ready to execute the operation hich moves and renames all files at one time. I have found I cannot do this conveniently through the Operating System, and I cannot review planned changes without of course actually executing the changes - by which point in time it is too late. Such as moving something from folder A to folder B and renaming it from X to Y... all the original information is lost and there is no way to undo the change later. But if I could retain the old name and location, I could "reset" the operation" by reversing what I had done. I think a VBA application would help with a project of this nature. Anyone have any ideas how to approach this without reinventing the wheel? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Feb 1 10:23:39 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 08:23:39 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Back-up In-Reply-To: <510B6366.25829.71D2D9A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <510B6366.25829.71D2D9A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: ...and to add; it also works via any command line (old or via powertools) so the programmed and scheduled to run any number of backups. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:41 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Back-up Shadowcopy with a scheduled task batch file? http://www.runtime.org/data-recovery-products.htm On 31 Jan 2013 at 21:05, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > User is looking for a backup system. > > Any votes for favorite? > > TIA > > Rocky > > > _____ > > From: Frank Federman [mailto:ffederman at roadrunner.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 1:00 PM > To: info at e-z-mrp.com > Cc: 'rich lindkamp' > Subject: Back-up > > > > Hi Rocky - > > > > Can you recommend an automatic back-up program (similar to Carbonite) that > works well with E-Z MRP? We just recovered from a server crash, and found > out that Carbonite does poorly, if at all, with databases. Fortunately, we > had a not-too-old manual back up copy of E-Z on hand, but I'd like to do it > automatically, and off-site (cloud) based, if possible. > > > > Thanks for any advice. > > > > Frank Federman > > Active Thermal Management, Inc. > > (661) 294-7999 - voice > > (207) 967-4047-- fax > > frankf at activethermal.com > > > > The Trusted Name in Thermal Protection > > > > CELEBRATING OVER 14 YEARS OF QUIET COOLING! 1999-2013 > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Fri Feb 1 10:31:09 2013 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 10:31:09 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Access App to Web Page In-Reply-To: <005801ce0066$a13ae9e0$e3b0bda0$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <201302011631.r11GVDRQ014743@databaseadvisors.com> Hey All Thanks to all who replied, will do my follow up research on your suggestions. My Access App is a typical (but complex) inventory/catalogue/invoicing program. They want to be able to offer their customers the ability to view the catalogue and fill out their orders online (down the line they may also want to allow the customer to add/update information to the database). I have always looked at these types of "order" Web pages and thought "Hey I could do that no sweat", just develop the database App and then stick it in a Web page", how naive could I be. Now that it comes down to reality I am thinking the concept is easy, it is the background mechanics that take the knowledge. I would not mind the challenge but I am worried if their suggested budget will warrant the effort. I have not received a call back yet from the client so nothing has been discussed, I just want to do my homework before I even think of getting involved. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: February-01-13 4:27 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access App to Web Page Hi Tony Are they serious? /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Tony Septav Sendt: 31. januar 2013 20:37 Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Emne: [AccessD] Access App to Web Page They have a limited budget and would like quote. They mentioned Oracle ... -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Fri Feb 1 10:47:25 2013 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 10:47:25 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Access App to Web Page Message-ID: <201302011647.r11GlTjg030840@databaseadvisors.com> Hey All Has anyone checked out Code on Time? Pricey but may be worth it. http://codeontime.com/CodeOnTimeVsAlphaFive.aspx?gclid=CJ7wku7FlbUCFUxxQgodc 0cAKw Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada From john at winhaven.net Fri Feb 1 12:22:27 2013 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 12:22:27 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Back-up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00e201ce00a9$175766c0$46063440$@winhaven.net> Rocky, Unfortunately I have to use far too many of them. For non-it people this product is easy to use, low cost and uses both traditional and cloud technologies: http://www.goodsync.com/ I simply use it to keep my "in the safe" backup, mobile toolkit and RoboForm memory sticks synched up but it has so much to it. Acronis has reliable backup solutions. I use this on a number of sites. In addition to full HD imaging and scheduled file backups they offer cloud backup. I use Acronis in most offices. Windows Backup/Shadow Copy is OK for SoHo/Small offices. Differences by Windows version is a bit ridiculous and I read that MS dropped Windows Backup from Windows 8 although I guess I should confirm that. (Tells you how many Windows 8 PCs I support ;-) I use some form of Windows Backup in offices that won't pay for a better backup solution. ZipBackup Windows Backup Software is low cost and backs up to zip file format. I use it at one site and have had to recover files, that was easy. WinZip includes backup functionality now, haven't used it but if they pay for WinZip anyway it probably is easy to use and it stores it in zip file format so that easy to use just right from windows explorer (like ZipBackup's archives are). Nero bundles Backitup with their CD/DVD and Video authoring offering if they use that type of thing it's a good package that comes along with it. I tested it and it was fine. I just don't use it because I already have Windows Server backing up every night via the network, Acronis backing up to external drives and GoodSync synchronizing to my memory sticks. I'm a bit over protected but then it takes no effort so why not? :-P I'm moving my customers over to my own integrated local backup/cloud managed services now so eventually I hope to have them all using my backup services solution ;-) I'll stop now. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 11:05 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] FW: Back-up Dear List: User is looking for a backup system. Any votes for favorite? TIA Rocky _____ From: Frank Federman [mailto:ffederman at roadrunner.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 1:00 PM To: info at e-z-mrp.com Cc: 'rich lindkamp' Subject: Back-up Hi Rocky - Can you recommend an automatic back-up program (similar to Carbonite) that works well with E-Z MRP? We just recovered from a server crash, and found out that Carbonite does poorly, if at all, with databases. Fortunately, we had a not-too-old manual back up copy of E-Z on hand, but I'd like to do it automatically, and off-site (cloud) based, if possible. Thanks for any advice. Frank Federman Active Thermal Management, Inc. (661) 294-7999 - voice (207) 967-4047-- fax frankf at activethermal.com The Trusted Name in Thermal Protection CELEBRATING OVER 14 YEARS OF QUIET COOLING! 1999-2013 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Feb 1 15:14:05 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 13:14:05 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Back-up In-Reply-To: <00e201ce00a9$175766c0$46063440$@winhaven.net> References: <00e201ce00a9$175766c0$46063440$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <22130EBCDBEE40A38149EF7B7D7B8CA1@HAL9007> TY - I'll forward. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 10:22 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Back-up Rocky, Unfortunately I have to use far too many of them. For non-it people this product is easy to use, low cost and uses both traditional and cloud technologies: http://www.goodsync.com/ I simply use it to keep my "in the safe" backup, mobile toolkit and RoboForm memory sticks synched up but it has so much to it. Acronis has reliable backup solutions. I use this on a number of sites. In addition to full HD imaging and scheduled file backups they offer cloud backup. I use Acronis in most offices. Windows Backup/Shadow Copy is OK for SoHo/Small offices. Differences by Windows version is a bit ridiculous and I read that MS dropped Windows Backup from Windows 8 although I guess I should confirm that. (Tells you how many Windows 8 PCs I support ;-) I use some form of Windows Backup in offices that won't pay for a better backup solution. ZipBackup Windows Backup Software is low cost and backs up to zip file format. I use it at one site and have had to recover files, that was easy. WinZip includes backup functionality now, haven't used it but if they pay for WinZip anyway it probably is easy to use and it stores it in zip file format so that easy to use just right from windows explorer (like ZipBackup's archives are). Nero bundles Backitup with their CD/DVD and Video authoring offering if they use that type of thing it's a good package that comes along with it. I tested it and it was fine. I just don't use it because I already have Windows Server backing up every night via the network, Acronis backing up to external drives and GoodSync synchronizing to my memory sticks. I'm a bit over protected but then it takes no effort so why not? :-P I'm moving my customers over to my own integrated local backup/cloud managed services now so eventually I hope to have them all using my backup services solution ;-) I'll stop now. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 11:05 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] FW: Back-up Dear List: User is looking for a backup system. Any votes for favorite? TIA Rocky _____ From: Frank Federman [mailto:ffederman at roadrunner.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 1:00 PM To: info at e-z-mrp.com Cc: 'rich lindkamp' Subject: Back-up Hi Rocky - Can you recommend an automatic back-up program (similar to Carbonite) that works well with E-Z MRP? We just recovered from a server crash, and found out that Carbonite does poorly, if at all, with databases. Fortunately, we had a not-too-old manual back up copy of E-Z on hand, but I'd like to do it automatically, and off-site (cloud) based, if possible. Thanks for any advice. Frank Federman Active Thermal Management, Inc. (661) 294-7999 - voice (207) 967-4047-- fax frankf at activethermal.com The Trusted Name in Thermal Protection CELEBRATING OVER 14 YEARS OF QUIET COOLING! 1999-2013 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Feb 1 16:13:58 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 08:13:58 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Back-up In-Reply-To: References: , <510B6366.25829.71D2D9A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, Message-ID: <510C3E26.20850.A73A9EB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> That's why I like it - and why I suggested " ...batch file" :-) -- Stuart On 1 Feb 2013 at 8:23, Jim Lawrence wrote: > ...and to add; it also works via any command line (old or via powertools) so > the programmed and scheduled to run any number of backups. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:41 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Back-up > > Shadowcopy with a scheduled task batch file? > > http://www.runtime.org/data-recovery-products.htm > > > On 31 Jan 2013 at 21:05, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > > Dear List: > > > > User is looking for a backup system. > > > > Any votes for favorite? > > > > TIA > > > > Rocky > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: Frank Federman [mailto:ffederman at roadrunner.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 1:00 PM > > To: info at e-z-mrp.com > > Cc: 'rich lindkamp' > > Subject: Back-up > > > > > > > > Hi Rocky - > > > > > > > > Can you recommend an automatic back-up program (similar to Carbonite) that > > works well with E-Z MRP? We just recovered from a server crash, and found > > out that Carbonite does poorly, if at all, with databases. Fortunately, we > > had a not-too-old manual back up copy of E-Z on hand, but I'd like to do > it > > automatically, and off-site (cloud) based, if possible. > > > > > > > > Thanks for any advice. > > > > > > > > Frank Federman > > > > Active Thermal Management, Inc. > > > > (661) 294-7999 - voice > > > > (207) 967-4047-- fax > > > > frankf at activethermal.com > > > > > > > > The Trusted Name in Thermal Protection > > > > > > > > CELEBRATING OVER 14 YEARS OF QUIET COOLING! 1999-2013 > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From vbacreations at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 22:59:26 2013 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 17:59:26 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] Photo Management In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Jim, I am aware of that program's existence but not so much its function. I had rather imagined it was more relative to cloud storage. I wanted some way to be sure I was moving (or planning moves) of items on my hard drive, not on the internet. No doubt you've found that you can arrange items on your hard drive without having to put them on the cloud to create your albums, and just synchronize as you go along. Currently all my files have names like 2010-12-31 21.47.16.jpg, which doesn't help organize. So I wanted to, let's say, have a listbox showing files of this nature, loaded from one or more folders, click on one or more, tag them in a way to help me organize them later... then I could search by tags or combination of tags and all the files tagged with words like family or travel could appear in one location in my dashboard with a preview window and a text box which after selecting any of the returned items, lets me rename it which would affect its true name on the file system, as well as give me some meta data. Essentially this is everything that windows explorer already does except for the deficit that windows explorer does not really show items from more than one folder (ie, location) at a time, unless in Search mode. I am trying to create something which acts like windows explorer and also lets me establish list boxes representing new target locations which I can drag and drop or move items to through button clicks, which won't actually move them until I click Execute... and even after doing so, stores in a database table, where the item came from, where I put it, when I did that (note, file last moved is NOT a date field stored by Windows, whereas file last accessed is.... the former being more important to me). I think I can build an application like this in MS Access so long as I can cause an image control to show a jpg or launch a video in a little window (perhaps via a Flash plug-in). I don't really need to store the file(s), the OS is doing this... I would just be keeping a history of the meta data and giving myself a transport mechanism to move selected items from location to location. I'll have a look at what Picasa does and see if I am really adding any value or not. Thanks!!! On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 5:18 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi William: > > I am not sure precisely what you want but the wife (and I for a small part) > keep a lot of photos; many from travelling, art and family. We have well > over 30,000 photos. > > The program we use to manage all these photo, from anywhere in the network, > has an excellent cataloguing system, a good set of filters, format options, > sending, emailing, printing, even face recognition, is Picasa, from Google: > > http://picasa.google.ca/ > > It can also, to the best of my knowledge work or be made to work on any > platform. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 1:10 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Photo Management > > I would not be surprised if this has been tackled either here or on other > forums, but I am looking for a way to manage photos and move them from > wherever I encounter them in the windows explorer (often showing in preview > mode) to distinct folders in a variety of locations without performing all > required actions at one time. For example, if I encounter 6 among 36 files > which I think should be moved to a folder called "Friends" I would like to > tag them in a way that I can move them all at one time, wherever they are, > even when I am no longer looking at the folder they are located in. So I am > envisioning some sort of file managing system which is part database, part > OS file system manager. I thought Access might be able to do this, perhaps > showing me the contents of folders (items which are images) and loading an > image control with the image, then I would choose something from a drop > down which would help me tag the item while also storing information about > where it had been, what it had been named, perhaps giving me a field which > lets me rename it (while testing that I am not duplicate naming it) - but > doing nothing to the original file until I am ready to execute the > operation hich moves and renames all files at one time. > > I have found I cannot do this conveniently through the Operating System, > and I cannot review planned changes without of course actually executing > the changes - by which point in time it is too late. Such as moving > something from folder A to folder B and renaming it from X to Y... all the > original information is lost and there is no way to undo the change later. > But if I could retain the old name and location, I could "reset" the > operation" by reversing what I had done. > > I think a VBA application would help with a project of this nature. Anyone > have any ideas how to approach this without reinventing the wheel? > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- *Regards,* ** ** *Bill Benson* *VBACreations* ** PS: You've gotten this e-mail *because you matter to me!* From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Feb 2 00:23:33 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 16:23:33 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Photo Management In-Reply-To: References: , , Message-ID: <510CB0E5.21645.C33E436@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> What OS? That's what Vista/Win7 Libraries are all about. If you have the image folders as Locations in your Pictures Library, select Arrange By: Day instead of Arrange by: Folder. On 2 Feb 2013 at 17:59, William Benson wrote: > system, as well as give me some meta data. Essentially this is everything > that windows explorer already does except for the deficit that windows > explorer does not really show items from more than one folder (ie, > location) at a time, unless in Search mode. > From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Feb 2 09:55:35 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 07:55:35 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Photo Management In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi William: The program, Picasa is not Cloud based; it is hard drive based. It is everything you have asked for and much more. You can change names, date, group, add description, add categories (dozens). As well you can crop, align, filter and add to different folders and directories. ...and all to a single picture at the same time. My wife likes because it is so simple to use and even though the number of pictures is massive she can find anything. ...And she is not a computer person, at all. You should give it a try. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 8:59 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Photo Management Thanks Jim, I am aware of that program's existence but not so much its function. I had rather imagined it was more relative to cloud storage. I wanted some way to be sure I was moving (or planning moves) of items on my hard drive, not on the internet. No doubt you've found that you can arrange items on your hard drive without having to put them on the cloud to create your albums, and just synchronize as you go along. Currently all my files have names like 2010-12-31 21.47.16.jpg, which doesn't help organize. So I wanted to, let's say, have a listbox showing files of this nature, loaded from one or more folders, click on one or more, tag them in a way to help me organize them later... then I could search by tags or combination of tags and all the files tagged with words like family or travel could appear in one location in my dashboard with a preview window and a text box which after selecting any of the returned items, lets me rename it which would affect its true name on the file system, as well as give me some meta data. Essentially this is everything that windows explorer already does except for the deficit that windows explorer does not really show items from more than one folder (ie, location) at a time, unless in Search mode. I am trying to create something which acts like windows explorer and also lets me establish list boxes representing new target locations which I can drag and drop or move items to through button clicks, which won't actually move them until I click Execute... and even after doing so, stores in a database table, where the item came from, where I put it, when I did that (note, file last moved is NOT a date field stored by Windows, whereas file last accessed is.... the former being more important to me). I think I can build an application like this in MS Access so long as I can cause an image control to show a jpg or launch a video in a little window (perhaps via a Flash plug-in). I don't really need to store the file(s), the OS is doing this... I would just be keeping a history of the meta data and giving myself a transport mechanism to move selected items from location to location. I'll have a look at what Picasa does and see if I am really adding any value or not. Thanks!!! On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 5:18 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi William: > > I am not sure precisely what you want but the wife (and I for a small part) > keep a lot of photos; many from travelling, art and family. We have well > over 30,000 photos. > > The program we use to manage all these photo, from anywhere in the network, > has an excellent cataloguing system, a good set of filters, format options, > sending, emailing, printing, even face recognition, is Picasa, from Google: > > http://picasa.google.ca/ > > It can also, to the best of my knowledge work or be made to work on any > platform. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 1:10 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Photo Management > > I would not be surprised if this has been tackled either here or on other > forums, but I am looking for a way to manage photos and move them from > wherever I encounter them in the windows explorer (often showing in preview > mode) to distinct folders in a variety of locations without performing all > required actions at one time. For example, if I encounter 6 among 36 files > which I think should be moved to a folder called "Friends" I would like to > tag them in a way that I can move them all at one time, wherever they are, > even when I am no longer looking at the folder they are located in. So I am > envisioning some sort of file managing system which is part database, part > OS file system manager. I thought Access might be able to do this, perhaps > showing me the contents of folders (items which are images) and loading an > image control with the image, then I would choose something from a drop > down which would help me tag the item while also storing information about > where it had been, what it had been named, perhaps giving me a field which > lets me rename it (while testing that I am not duplicate naming it) - but > doing nothing to the original file until I am ready to execute the > operation hich moves and renames all files at one time. > > I have found I cannot do this conveniently through the Operating System, > and I cannot review planned changes without of course actually executing > the changes - by which point in time it is too late. Such as moving > something from folder A to folder B and renaming it from X to Y... all the > original information is lost and there is no way to undo the change later. > But if I could retain the old name and location, I could "reset" the > operation" by reversing what I had done. > > I think a VBA application would help with a project of this nature. Anyone > have any ideas how to approach this without reinventing the wheel? > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- *Regards,* ** ** *Bill Benson* *VBACreations* ** PS: You've gotten this e-mail *because you matter to me!* -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 10:12:30 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 11:12:30 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Back-up In-Reply-To: <510C3E26.20850.A73A9EB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <510B6366.25829.71D2D9A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <510C3E26.20850.A73A9EB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Wow. Reading this thread makes me feel like such a dinosaur. I haven't even heard of most products mentioned, let alone used them. All I have is a 1TB USB external drive, and a scheduled procedure that works nightly and copies everything of interest to said external drive, and that's all that I have. I don't trust clouds but maybe that's something I have to get over. What I do like is that I can just unplug the external drive and then plug it in to my laptop, and everything I need is there. Of course, I have no defence against a nuclear attack, but on the other hand Canada doesn't have many enemies, other than our First Nations people, whose side I am emphatically on, so hopefully they will spare me, but in the event that they don't, I still have my USB 1TB drive, which is guaranteed to have yesterday's data intact, and speaking frankly, it's not as if I had ten tremendous world-shaking ideas yesterday. On the other hand, when I'm working, then I back up the current project every hour, to the aforementioned external USB disk. I am not claiming that this is the most intelligent solution, just saying that this is what I do. The thing that I like about this solution is that I can bring my USB hard disk anywhere and copy the files of interest to the client's box, and the only thing that could go wrong is that some robbers take over the streetcar and demand that I surrender my watch and wallet and USB drive. Yes, that is a potential problem, and I have no solution for that eventuality. Perhaps I need to get past my objections to the cloud and copy all this stuff to God Knows Where, and hope for the best, and plan for the worst. Two USB drives, and scheduled copies about four times per day. To protect me from doing something stupid, which unfortunately seems to be habitual. However, I have learned over these woe to many years, that Intelligence is the Art of Anticipating Your Stupidity, and therefore I have pre-empted my stupidity thanks to scheduled programs and batch files.. I haven't written a batch file in about a dozen years. Those that exist on my machine work, but you remind me of how much fun it was to write batch files. A discipline that I fear is if not gone, fading quickly. In fact, I would go so far as to say, "Most computer users don't even have the foggiest idea what a batch file is." This IMO is a sad thing, and it brings to mind one of the greatest ads in software history, an ad for Ashton-Tate's product called Framework, I know that I'm not going to get this right, but the gist was this: "I don't want menus, I want power commands." And speaking of great software ads, the greatest IMO of all time was created by Hal Pollack, and it was "dBASE II versus the Bilge Pump". A bunch of years ago I met Hal, and told him that he wrote the best ad ever in the history of software. A few years after that, I landed an interview with C. Wayne Ratliff, who wrote dBASE-II in assembly language and it ran it 64K. That interview was published in Data-Based Advisor magazine, and got me a bunch of brownie points, because nobody got to him except me. And then something else happened. Brian Russell, former A-T employee, had an idea, called Clipper, named after a restaurant in Nantucket, where the original deal was done. And now, a few decades later, I am infatuated with the people that developed Alpha Five. These people are very smart, and also very open to communication. I have been toying with their software for about 8 months, and I finally have landed a gig to be developed and deployed in Alpha Five, It's a relatively simple app (about 20 tables) and it needs to work on desktop, tablet and smart-phone. And A5 delivers all this. I have built a few apps for my own use and proved that their technologies work. Now I'm about to do a real-world app, and I am way excited to do this. All you people wasting your time in Access development, I have just one suggestion. Download the free time-limited edition of A5 and take it for a spin, For all the pieces, it costs about $1K, but you'll make that back in your first gig. I have no commercial interest in A5, no shares, no edge in any way. I'm just calling things as I see them. Download the trial stuff and run the demo-apps and see for yourself. This thing blows the door off Access, and I say that having made much of my living for the past 20+ years as an Access developer. A. On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > That's why I like it - and why I suggested " ...batch file" :-) > > -- > Stuart > > On 1 Feb 2013 at 8:23, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > ...and to add; it also works via any command line (old or via > powertools) so > > the programmed and scheduled to run any number of backups. > > > > Jim > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart > McLachlan > > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:41 PM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Back-up > > > > Shadowcopy with a scheduled task batch file? > > > > http://www.runtime.org/data-recovery-products.htm > > > > > > On 31 Jan 2013 at 21:05, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > > > > Dear List: > > > > > > User is looking for a backup system. > > > > > > Any votes for favorite? > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: Frank Federman [mailto:ffederman at roadrunner.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 1:00 PM > > > To: info at e-z-mrp.com > > > Cc: 'rich lindkamp' > > > Subject: Back-up > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rocky - > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you recommend an automatic back-up program (similar to Carbonite) > that > > > works well with E-Z MRP? We just recovered from a server crash, and > found > > > out that Carbonite does poorly, if at all, with databases. > Fortunately, we > > > had a not-too-old manual back up copy of E-Z on hand, but I'd like to > do > > it > > > automatically, and off-site (cloud) based, if possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for any advice. > > > > > > > > > > > > Frank Federman > > > > > > Active Thermal Management, Inc. > > > > > > (661) 294-7999 - voice > > > > > > (207) 967-4047-- fax > > > > > > frankf at activethermal.com > > > > > > > > > > > > The Trusted Name in Thermal Protection > > > > > > > > > > > > CELEBRATING OVER 14 YEARS OF QUIET COOLING! 1999-2013 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sat Feb 2 11:04:46 2013 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 12:04:46 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT - Moonrise In-Reply-To: <000001cdfe50$7f4e9e70$7debdb50$@dalyn.co.nz> References: <000001cdfe50$7f4e9e70$7debdb50$@dalyn.co.nz> Message-ID: <510D472E.5020500@torchlake.com> Pretty spectacular! T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 1/29/2013 1:43 PM, David Emerson wrote: > Team, > > > > I seldom send OT but some of you may be interested in this. > > > > http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington-central/8236773/Hobbit-artist-captures-Mt-Vic-moonrise > > > > > > Regards > > David Emerson > Dalyn Software Ltd > Wellington, New Zealand > > > > > > > > > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Feb 2 14:46:10 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 06:46:10 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Back-up In-Reply-To: References: , <510C3E26.20850.A73A9EB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, Message-ID: <510D7B12.32312.F49A350@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Big businesses have all sorts of solid backup policies/regimes. Individuals like ourselves can use your solution with no problems. We can make sure that nothing is open when we make our backups. But it's no good for Susie User in a small business who comes in in the morning, switches her computer on and starts Outlook, then opens and closes various documents and databases all day. At the end of the day, she shuts down her computer (hopefully closing Outlook and any open databases first). As with Rocky's client who started this thread, they need something which can copy open files including their Outlook .pst or whatever and their Access/Excel/Word open databases/documents. IOW, something which uses the Windows Volume Shadow Copy Service (VSS) rather than a simple Copy or XCopy type process It doesn't need to be a full backup, generally just their My Documents, AppData folders etc They also won't remember to do it regularly, so it needs to run automatically in the background preferably scheduled for when they are on their lunch break. Application such as the freeware Shadowcopy run from a scheduled script (as batch file are now supposed to be called ) are very useful for this.. -- Stuart On 2 Feb 2013 at 11:12, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Wow. Reading this thread makes me feel like such a dinosaur. I haven't even > heard of most products mentioned, let alone used them. All I have is a 1TB > USB external drive, and a scheduled procedure that works nightly and copies > everything of interest to said external drive, and that's all that I have. - From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Feb 2 17:35:41 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 15:35:41 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Back-up In-Reply-To: <510D7B12.32312.F49A350@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <510C3E26.20850.A73A9EB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <510D7B12.32312.F49A350@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: And if the client has a network with a domain setup, the psexec.exe, command line utility will allow the site tech to run any number of applications across the network, like ShadowCopy, from a central location. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 12:46 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Back-up Big businesses have all sorts of solid backup policies/regimes. Individuals like ourselves can use your solution with no problems. We can make sure that nothing is open when we make our backups. But it's no good for Susie User in a small business who comes in in the morning, switches her computer on and starts Outlook, then opens and closes various documents and databases all day. At the end of the day, she shuts down her computer (hopefully closing Outlook and any open databases first). As with Rocky's client who started this thread, they need something which can copy open files including their Outlook .pst or whatever and their Access/Excel/Word open databases/documents. IOW, something which uses the Windows Volume Shadow Copy Service (VSS) rather than a simple Copy or XCopy type process It doesn't need to be a full backup, generally just their My Documents, AppData folders etc They also won't remember to do it regularly, so it needs to run automatically in the background preferably scheduled for when they are on their lunch break. Application such as the freeware Shadowcopy run from a scheduled script (as batch file are now supposed to be called ) are very useful for this.. -- Stuart On 2 Feb 2013 at 11:12, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Wow. Reading this thread makes me feel like such a dinosaur. I haven't even > heard of most products mentioned, let alone used them. All I have is a 1TB > USB external drive, and a scheduled procedure that works nightly and copies > everything of interest to said external drive, and that's all that I have. - -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Sun Feb 3 09:01:13 2013 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 16:01:13 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] A2010 - colour of enabled/disabled button Message-ID: Hi all Is there a global setting for controlling the appearance of buttons on forms to make a larger difference between the view of an enabled button and a disabled button? The themes don't make much difference, I think, and the property sheet of the button only deals with clicked or non-clicked or mouse-over. /gustav From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Feb 3 09:20:12 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 07:20:12 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] A2010 - colour of enabled/disabled button In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2A825E540C714BBCB11858C3C791EC9F@HAL9007> In the past the answer seems to be use text box overlays or use labels formatted to you liking. Not as many events but they've got click. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 7:01 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] A2010 - colour of enabled/disabled button Hi all Is there a global setting for controlling the appearance of buttons on forms to make a larger difference between the view of an enabled button and a disabled button? The themes don't make much difference, I think, and the property sheet of the button only deals with clicked or non-clicked or mouse-over. /gustav -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Sun Feb 3 09:28:35 2013 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 16:28:35 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] A2010 - colour of enabled/disabled button Message-ID: Hi Rocky I don't think the client is ready to rewamp hundreds of buttons this way. Any other option? /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 03-02-13 16:20 >>> In the past the answer seems to be use text box overlays or use labels formatted to you liking. Not as many events but they've got click. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 7:01 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] A2010 - colour of enabled/disabled button Hi all Is there a global setting for controlling the appearance of buttons on forms to make a larger difference between the view of an enabled button and a disabled button? The themes don't make much difference, I think, and the property sheet of the button only deals with clicked or non-clicked or mouse-over. /gustav From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Feb 3 09:37:53 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 07:37:53 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] A2010 - colour of enabled/disabled button In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Any other solution I can think of would require modifying the code behind the button changing the fore color/font/size/weight of the text on the button then checking on the click event to see if the button was enabled. If they already have code to enable/disable a button could you add code to change the label to a picture - like a circle with a slash through it? Or just disappear the button? There's something called quick styles in 201 but I've never played with it. Are they using 2010? http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/office/forum/office_2010-access/access-20 10-quick-styles-and-change-shapes/212c347e-77db-490e-9b29-9dfc714f2c4b Why do they want this? What is it about the disabled button they don't like? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 7:29 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2010 - colour of enabled/disabled button Hi Rocky I don't think the client is ready to rewamp hundreds of buttons this way. Any other option? /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 03-02-13 16:20 >>> In the past the answer seems to be use text box overlays or use labels formatted to you liking. Not as many events but they've got click. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 7:01 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] A2010 - colour of enabled/disabled button Hi all Is there a global setting for controlling the appearance of buttons on forms to make a larger difference between the view of an enabled button and a disabled button? The themes don't make much difference, I think, and the property sheet of the button only deals with clicked or non-clicked or mouse-over. /gustav -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Sun Feb 3 09:47:05 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 07:47:05 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] A2010 - colour of enabled/disabled button In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You could use classes to handle it. Create a clsForm that you bind to each form and in the class, step through the controls on each form and if the TypeOf is Command Button, bind each of them to an instance of the clsCmdButton. In the latter class, put the code you want to use for color changes called from the shadowed events of the control. Charlotte On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 7:28 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Rocky > > I don't think the client is ready to rewamp hundreds of buttons this way. > Any other option? > > /gustav > > >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 03-02-13 16:20 >>> > In the past the answer seems to be use text box overlays or use labels > formatted to you liking. Not as many events but they've got click. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 7:01 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [AccessD] A2010 - colour of enabled/disabled button > > Hi all > > Is there a global setting for controlling the appearance of buttons on > forms > to make a larger difference between the view of an enabled button and a > disabled button? > > The themes don't make much difference, I think, and the property sheet of > the button only deals with clicked or non-clicked or mouse-over. > > /gustav > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From df.waters at comcast.net Sun Feb 3 09:52:38 2013 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 09:52:38 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] A2010 - colour of enabled/disabled button In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000c01ce0226$7ec02ee0$7c408ca0$@comcast.net> Hi Gustav, I sent you a screenshot off-line to show how enabled and disabled buttons look on my apps. Do yours look this way? I think they are pretty distinct. In VS apps the difference between a disabled button and an enabled button is not as distinct. Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 9:01 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] A2010 - colour of enabled/disabled button Hi all Is there a global setting for controlling the appearance of buttons on forms to make a larger difference between the view of an enabled button and a disabled button? The themes don't make much difference, I think, and the property sheet of the button only deals with clicked or non-clicked or mouse-over. /gustav -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From df.waters at comcast.net Sun Feb 3 09:54:33 2013 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 09:54:33 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] A2010 - colour of enabled/disabled button In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000d01ce0226$c33471d0$499d5570$@comcast.net> Hi Charlotte, Is this something you would do in Access, or in a .Net app? Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 9:47 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2010 - colour of enabled/disabled button You could use classes to handle it. Create a clsForm that you bind to each form and in the class, step through the controls on each form and if the TypeOf is Command Button, bind each of them to an instance of the clsCmdButton. In the latter class, put the code you want to use for color changes called from the shadowed events of the control. Charlotte On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 7:28 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Rocky > > I don't think the client is ready to rewamp hundreds of buttons this way. > Any other option? > > /gustav > > >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 03-02-13 16:20 >>> > In the past the answer seems to be use text box overlays or use labels > formatted to you liking. Not as many events but they've got click. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav > Brock > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 7:01 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [AccessD] A2010 - colour of enabled/disabled button > > Hi all > > Is there a global setting for controlling the appearance of buttons on > forms to make a larger difference between the view of an enabled > button and a disabled button? > > The themes don't make much difference, I think, and the property sheet > of the button only deals with clicked or non-clicked or mouse-over. > > /gustav > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Sun Feb 3 10:11:51 2013 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 17:11:51 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] A2010 - colour of enabled/disabled button Message-ID: Hi Rocky Yes, they are using the themes or quick-styles and would like to continue with these as it is very easy to handle and works globally. What they don't like is the quite small difference between the active white caption and the inactive "engraved" caption. /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 03-02-13 16:37 >>> Any other solution I can think of would require modifying the code behind the button changing the fore color/font/size/weight of the text on the button then checking on the click event to see if the button was enabled. If they already have code to enable/disable a button could you add code to change the label to a picture - like a circle with a slash through it? Or just disappear the button? There's something called quick styles in 201 but I've never played with it. Are they using 2010? http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/office/forum/office_2010-access/access-20 10-quick-styles-and-change-shapes/212c347e-77db-490e-9b29-9dfc714f2c4b Why do they want this? What is it about the disabled button they don't like? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 7:29 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2010 - colour of enabled/disabled button Hi Rocky I don't think the client is ready to rewamp hundreds of buttons this way. Any other option? /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 03-02-13 16:20 >>> In the past the answer seems to be use text box overlays or use labels formatted to you liking. Not as many events but they've got click. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 7:01 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] A2010 - colour of enabled/disabled button Hi all Is there a global setting for controlling the appearance of buttons on forms to make a larger difference between the view of an enabled button and a disabled button? The themes don't make much difference, I think, and the property sheet of the button only deals with clicked or non-clicked or mouse-over. /gustav From Gustav at cactus.dk Sun Feb 3 10:13:51 2013 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 17:13:51 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] A2010 - colour of enabled/disabled button Message-ID: Hi Charlotte Uh, doable of course, but I was looking for a more light-weight tip related to the use of themes. /gustav >>> charlotte.foust at gmail.com 03-02-13 16:47 >>> You could use classes to handle it. Create a clsForm that you bind to each form and in the class, step through the controls on each form and if the TypeOf is Command Button, bind each of them to an instance of the clsCmdButton. In the latter class, put the code you want to use for color changes called from the shadowed events of the control. Charlotte On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 7:28 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Rocky > > I don't think the client is ready to rewamp hundreds of buttons this way. > Any other option? > > /gustav > > >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 03-02-13 16:20 >>> > In the past the answer seems to be use text box overlays or use labels > formatted to you liking. Not as many events but they've got click. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 7:01 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [AccessD] A2010 - colour of enabled/disabled button > > Hi all > > Is there a global setting for controlling the appearance of buttons on forms > to make a larger difference between the view of an enabled button and a > disabled button? > > The themes don't make much difference, I think, and the property sheet of > the button only deals with clicked or non-clicked or mouse-over. > > /gustav From Gustav at cactus.dk Sun Feb 3 10:16:32 2013 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 17:16:32 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] A2010 - colour of enabled/disabled button Message-ID: Hi Dan Thanks! I can see you use a black caption which makes a large contrast to the light grey look of the inactive caption. /gustav >>> df.waters at comcast.net 03-02-13 16:52 >>> Hi Gustav, I sent you a screenshot off-line to show how enabled and disabled buttons look on my apps. Do yours look this way? I think they are pretty distinct. In VS apps the difference between a disabled button and an enabled button is not as distinct. Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 9:01 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] A2010 - colour of enabled/disabled button Hi all Is there a global setting for controlling the appearance of buttons on forms to make a larger difference between the view of an enabled button and a disabled button? The themes don't make much difference, I think, and the property sheet of the button only deals with clicked or non-clicked or mouse-over. /gustav From df.waters at comcast.net Sun Feb 3 10:57:18 2013 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 10:57:18 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] A2010 - colour of enabled/disabled button In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000e01ce022f$86d41ed0$947c5c70$@comcast.net> I (almost) always use a bold caption - that helps too. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 10:17 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2010 - colour of enabled/disabled button Hi Dan Thanks! I can see you use a black caption which makes a large contrast to the light grey look of the inactive caption. /gustav >>> df.waters at comcast.net 03-02-13 16:52 >>> Hi Gustav, I sent you a screenshot off-line to show how enabled and disabled buttons look on my apps. Do yours look this way? I think they are pretty distinct. In VS apps the difference between a disabled button and an enabled button is not as distinct. Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 9:01 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] A2010 - colour of enabled/disabled button Hi all Is there a global setting for controlling the appearance of buttons on forms to make a larger difference between the view of an enabled button and a disabled button? The themes don't make much difference, I think, and the property sheet of the button only deals with clicked or non-clicked or mouse-over. /gustav -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Sun Feb 3 11:31:31 2013 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 18:31:31 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Back-up Message-ID: Hi all Don't forget Cobian Backup. Freeware at: http://www.cobiansoft.com/cobianbackup.htm Among many other things it can run as a service, backup to and from FTP servers, use strong encryption and Shadow Copy, and fire events before and after backup. You can also remote control it over the network. /gustav > On 31 Jan 2013 at 21:05, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > > Dear List: > > > > User is looking for a backup system. > > > > Any votes for favorite? > > > > TIA > > > > Rocky From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Sun Feb 3 16:52:39 2013 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 22:52:39 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Photo Management In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5343FCE03@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Picasa is awesome Bill. You can choose to upload your pix to the web (it is made by Google so you would need to use a gmail account), but you don't have to and can do everything locally if you want. You can control which folders Picasa looks at and how often they are scanned. The touch up tools are excellent and easy to use. The only thing that pisses me off about it is the Face Tag nonsense. Even when you turn it off it still wants to tag folks and comes up with that annoy box. You can get rid of them 1 by 1, but I just want it gone forever. Clearly this is my issue and might be fine if you like tags, but I don't. Anyway, a moot point really. Picasa I would highly recommend. Cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson Sent: Saturday, 2 February 2013 3:59 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Photo Management Thanks Jim, I am aware of that program's existence but not so much its function. I had rather imagined it was more relative to cloud storage. I wanted some way to be sure I was moving (or planning moves) of items on my hard drive, not on the internet. No doubt you've found that you can arrange items on your hard drive without having to put them on the cloud to create your albums, and just synchronize as you go along. Currently all my files have names like 2010-12-31 21.47.16.jpg, which doesn't help organize. So I wanted to, let's say, have a listbox showing files of this nature, loaded from one or more folders, click on one or more, tag them in a way to help me organize them later... then I could search by tags or combination of tags and all the files tagged with words like family or travel could appear in one location in my dashboard with a preview window and a text box which after selecting any of the returned items, lets me rename it which would affect its true name on the file system, as well as give me some meta data. Essentially this is everything that windows explorer already does except for the deficit that windows explorer does not really show items from more than one folder (ie, location) at a time, unless in Search mode. I am trying to create something which acts like windows explorer and also lets me establish list boxes representing new target locations which I can drag and drop or move items to through button clicks, which won't actually move them until I click Execute... and even after doing so, stores in a database table, where the item came from, where I put it, when I did that (note, file last moved is NOT a date field stored by Windows, whereas file last accessed is.... the former being more important to me). I think I can build an application like this in MS Access so long as I can cause an image control to show a jpg or launch a video in a little window (perhaps via a Flash plug-in). I don't really need to store the file(s), the OS is doing this... I would just be keeping a history of the meta data and giving myself a transport mechanism to move selected items from location to location. I'll have a look at what Picasa does and see if I am really adding any value or not. Thanks!!! On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 5:18 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi William: > > I am not sure precisely what you want but the wife (and I for a small > part) keep a lot of photos; many from travelling, art and family. We > have well over 30,000 photos. > > The program we use to manage all these photo, from anywhere in the > network, has an excellent cataloguing system, a good set of filters, > format options, sending, emailing, printing, even face recognition, is Picasa, from Google: > > http://picasa.google.ca/ > > It can also, to the best of my knowledge work or be made to work on > any platform. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William > Benson > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 1:10 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Photo Management > > I would not be surprised if this has been tackled either here or on > other forums, but I am looking for a way to manage photos and move > them from wherever I encounter them in the windows explorer (often > showing in preview > mode) to distinct folders in a variety of locations without performing > all required actions at one time. For example, if I encounter 6 among > 36 files which I think should be moved to a folder called "Friends" I > would like to tag them in a way that I can move them all at one time, > wherever they are, even when I am no longer looking at the folder they > are located in. So I am envisioning some sort of file managing system > which is part database, part OS file system manager. I thought Access > might be able to do this, perhaps showing me the contents of folders > (items which are images) and loading an image control with the image, > then I would choose something from a drop down which would help me tag > the item while also storing information about where it had been, what > it had been named, perhaps giving me a field which lets me rename it > (while testing that I am not duplicate naming it) - but doing nothing > to the original file until I am ready to execute the operation hich moves and renames all files at one time. > > I have found I cannot do this conveniently through the Operating > System, and I cannot review planned changes without of course actually > executing the changes - by which point in time it is too late. Such as > moving something from folder A to folder B and renaming it from X to > Y... all the original information is lost and there is no way to undo the change later. > But if I could retain the old name and location, I could "reset" the > operation" by reversing what I had done. > > I think a VBA application would help with a project of this nature. > Anyone have any ideas how to approach this without reinventing the wheel? > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- *Regards,* ** ** *Bill Benson* *VBACreations* ** PS: You've gotten this e-mail *because you matter to me!* -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Sun Feb 3 16:59:03 2013 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 22:59:03 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Photo Management In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5343FCE03@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5343FCE03@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5343FCEE3@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Ok.. For doing batch stuff to images (such are renaming, copying, resizing, rotating etc) I use the batch processing function in irfanView. It is very fast, flexible and easy to set up when processing many images automatically. For storage management, touch-ups, and general day to day stuff I use Picasa. The combination of the two has never let me down yet with photo management. Hope you are enjoying Oz :) Cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013 9:53 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Photo Management Picasa is awesome Bill. You can choose to upload your pix to the web (it is made by Google so you would need to use a gmail account), but you don't have to and can do everything locally if you want. You can control which folders Picasa looks at and how often they are scanned. The touch up tools are excellent and easy to use. The only thing that pisses me off about it is the Face Tag nonsense. Even when you turn it off it still wants to tag folks and comes up with that annoy box. You can get rid of them 1 by 1, but I just want it gone forever. Clearly this is my issue and might be fine if you like tags, but I don't. Anyway, a moot point really. Picasa I would highly recommend. Cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson Sent: Saturday, 2 February 2013 3:59 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Photo Management Thanks Jim, I am aware of that program's existence but not so much its function. I had rather imagined it was more relative to cloud storage. I wanted some way to be sure I was moving (or planning moves) of items on my hard drive, not on the internet. No doubt you've found that you can arrange items on your hard drive without having to put them on the cloud to create your albums, and just synchronize as you go along. Currently all my files have names like 2010-12-31 21.47.16.jpg, which doesn't help organize. So I wanted to, let's say, have a listbox showing files of this nature, loaded from one or more folders, click on one or more, tag them in a way to help me organize them later... then I could search by tags or combination of tags and all the files tagged with words like family or travel could appear in one location in my dashboard with a preview window and a text box which after selecting any of the returned items, lets me rename it which would affect its true name on the file system, as well as give me some meta data. Essentially this is everything that windows explorer already does except for the deficit that windows explorer does not really show items from more than one folder (ie, location) at a time, unless in Search mode. I am trying to create something which acts like windows explorer and also lets me establish list boxes representing new target locations which I can drag and drop or move items to through button clicks, which won't actually move them until I click Execute... and even after doing so, stores in a database table, where the item came from, where I put it, when I did that (note, file last moved is NOT a date field stored by Windows, whereas file last accessed is.... the former being more important to me). I think I can build an application like this in MS Access so long as I can cause an image control to show a jpg or launch a video in a little window (perhaps via a Flash plug-in). I don't really need to store the file(s), the OS is doing this... I would just be keeping a history of the meta data and giving myself a transport mechanism to move selected items from location to location. I'll have a look at what Picasa does and see if I am really adding any value or not. Thanks!!! On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 5:18 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi William: > > I am not sure precisely what you want but the wife (and I for a small > part) keep a lot of photos; many from travelling, art and family. We > have well over 30,000 photos. > > The program we use to manage all these photo, from anywhere in the > network, has an excellent cataloguing system, a good set of filters, > format options, sending, emailing, printing, even face recognition, is Picasa, from Google: > > http://picasa.google.ca/ > > It can also, to the best of my knowledge work or be made to work on > any platform. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William > Benson > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 1:10 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Photo Management > > I would not be surprised if this has been tackled either here or on > other forums, but I am looking for a way to manage photos and move > them from wherever I encounter them in the windows explorer (often > showing in preview > mode) to distinct folders in a variety of locations without performing > all required actions at one time. For example, if I encounter 6 among > 36 files which I think should be moved to a folder called "Friends" I > would like to tag them in a way that I can move them all at one time, > wherever they are, even when I am no longer looking at the folder they > are located in. So I am envisioning some sort of file managing system > which is part database, part OS file system manager. I thought Access > might be able to do this, perhaps showing me the contents of folders > (items which are images) and loading an image control with the image, > then I would choose something from a drop down which would help me tag > the item while also storing information about where it had been, what > it had been named, perhaps giving me a field which lets me rename it > (while testing that I am not duplicate naming it) - but doing nothing > to the original file until I am ready to execute the operation hich moves and renames all files at one time. > > I have found I cannot do this conveniently through the Operating > System, and I cannot review planned changes without of course actually > executing the changes - by which point in time it is too late. Such as > moving something from folder A to folder B and renaming it from X to > Y... all the original information is lost and there is no way to undo the change later. > But if I could retain the old name and location, I could "reset" the > operation" by reversing what I had done. > > I think a VBA application would help with a project of this nature. > Anyone have any ideas how to approach this without reinventing the wheel? > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- *Regards,* ** ** *Bill Benson* *VBACreations* ** PS: You've gotten this e-mail *because you matter to me!* -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Sun Feb 3 16:48:30 2013 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 22:48:30 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server Migration Wizard In-Reply-To: <510BE2E4.1080502@gmail.com> References: <510BCFB2.5050600@gmail.com> <004601ce008f$50abc200$f2034600$@comcast.net> <510BE2E4.1080502@gmail.com> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5343FCDEC@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> "The first problem I run into is "Is it on IBM's list of approved vendors?"" It is likely to be early days for you, but in my experience in 'CorporateLand' is that the majority of 3rd party addins are blocked by default - which I can understand otherwise they would be infested with "Ask" toolbars and other crap. However, if you dig around you can usually ask for an exception on these things, especially for productivity tools such as MZ Tools and Search & Replace (by Rick Fisher). I usually explain that these addin's have been around for years and are already commonly used by many other large corporates without bother or incident and save you many hours of work. Often it is just a matter of getting some middle manager to tick it off. The other thing you can try - but doesn't always work, is to download the installers to a USB stick and them load them into corporate world from the USB. I have done that plenty of times in the past too, although some places have stricter security on their USB ports than others (some places have them locked... hmmmm). But of course, your mileage and success on this will vary between organisations. Some are more flexible than others. That said - it is worth a try as they are handy tools to have close. Cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby Sent: Saturday, 2 February 2013 2:45 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL Server Migration Wizard The first problem I run into is "Is it on IBM's list of approved vendors?" Most small guys are not. Just as an example I went to RickFisher's web site... blocked by the browser. Microsoft definitely is approved and SSMA is not blocked so I just downloaded it and ran. My question of course is on the SQL Server side, via SSMS, how do I see information about the relationships. I managed to get the Database Diagrams pane to show and sure enough, the existing relationships between the two tables is displayed as soon as I drag them out on thhe diagram. GOOD NEWS! John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/1/2013 10:17 AM, Dan Waters wrote: > Hi John, > > Another tool I've used is called MUST (http://www.upsizing.co.uk/). > It's a for pay product, but could IBM afford it? > > I have used it a few years ago, and it did help me identify a data > corruption problem where SSMA did not. They also have a comparison > table between SSMA and the two versions of MUST > (http://www.upsizing.co.uk/Pdfs/dataquerycomparison.pdf). > > On their web site they also have a long list of 'how to' pages which > might also be helpful. > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W > Colby > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 8:23 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server Migration Wizard > > I got a day job recently. As part of that job I am tasked with > upsizing several (or perhaps hundreds of) Access databases to SQL > Server. So I went out to the internet and discovered the SSMA tool > which has a variant specific to Access. While I just started playing > with it all I can say is WOW. I tried it on a raw, unsplit database > which has ODBC linked tables to SQL Server as well as pass through > queries etc. I am just trying to see what it does in such a case. > > However I also split a database using the split wizard and then > migrated that using the SSMA and it just went. Awsome. Tables, indexes, PKs, etc. > I want to discover what happens with tables where there is referential > integrity established so I added that to a table pair that were in > fact related and re-migrated those two tables. I did not check the > cascade update / delete though I will go back and do that just to see what happens. > > My question is how do I see the constraint preventing deletion of > parent records when the child exists? Where in the SSMS GUI can I > visually see that stuff? > > -- > John W. Colby > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Sun Feb 3 19:47:20 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 17:47:20 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] A2010 - colour of enabled/disabled button In-Reply-To: <000d01ce0226$c33471d0$499d5570$@comcast.net> References: <000d01ce0226$c33471d0$499d5570$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Access VBA. Charlotte On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Dan Waters wrote: > Hi Charlotte, > > Is this something you would do in Access, or in a .Net app? > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 9:47 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2010 - colour of enabled/disabled button > > You could use classes to handle it. Create a clsForm that you bind to each > form and in the class, step through the controls on each form and if the > TypeOf is Command Button, bind each of them to an instance of the > clsCmdButton. In the latter class, put the code you want to use for color > changes called from the shadowed events of the control. > > Charlotte > > On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 7:28 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > Hi Rocky > > > > I don't think the client is ready to rewamp hundreds of buttons this way. > > Any other option? > > > > /gustav > > > > >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 03-02-13 16:20 >>> > > In the past the answer seems to be use text box overlays or use labels > > formatted to you liking. Not as many events but they've got click. > > > > R > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav > > Brock > > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 7:01 AM > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > > Subject: [AccessD] A2010 - colour of enabled/disabled button > > > > Hi all > > > > Is there a global setting for controlling the appearance of buttons on > > forms to make a larger difference between the view of an enabled > > button and a disabled button? > > > > The themes don't make much difference, I think, and the property sheet > > of the button only deals with clicked or non-clicked or mouse-over. > > > > /gustav > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jackandpat.d at gmail.com Tue Feb 5 09:16:00 2013 From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 10:16:00 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Any book recommendations - Event Procedures/Programming Message-ID: Just curious if anyone has a book(s) (or site(s)/video(s)) recommendation for Event Procedures generally. I know John C has started many tutorials and expressed the importance of classes and events, but I find info (Google search based) sparse at best. I have not found a site that addresses classes with the same level and description of JC. (Was the stuff he tempted us with (2009) ever get publish/collected and saved. I have found some things by Chris O'Brien (on another forum) related to soft coded events. It's more a curiosity than a need. I'm retired, not consulting, but have a recurring interest and thought I should ask. Thanks in advance. From guss at beechnutconsulting.com Tue Feb 5 09:28:50 2013 From: guss at beechnutconsulting.com (Guss Ginsburg) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 09:28:50 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] DB Suddenly becomes Read Only Message-ID: <005501ce03b5$7fe68220$7fb38660$@beechnutconsulting.com> This is the second time this has happened to my back end db. The first time was about 6 months ago, and I resolved it by copying the tables into another new db, and relinked the tables in the FE to the new BE. Anyone know what may have caused this? The files are all in 2002-2003 format, and are running in Access 2010 environment. The last time this happened, they were running in a 2007 environment. The system properties and security settings seem to be the same as other DB's which work fine. I cannot rename the R/O file, or delete it. The BE is shared among a small handful of users (never more than 3 or 4). Sincerely yours, Guss Ginsburg From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Feb 5 09:50:52 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 07:50:52 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Solution in Search of a Problem Message-ID: On 2/5/2013 12:18 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > So a client has an app into which I copied, into the front end, a zip > code table but all the cities are in upper case. So when he puts in a > zip code and the CBF in the after update event of the zip code combo > box retrieves the city, it's in upper case. > > So of course, he'd like it to appear in lower case with initial caps. > I thought about converting the cities (some of which are two words) > with some parsing code then discovered StrConv. Yes, just when I > think I've seen every built-in of VBA up pops a new one (on me anyway) > - found this by Googling the obvious "access vba make field lower case with caps". > Conversion Type 3 is exactly what he wanted. One update query - less > than a minute and table's perfectly converted to lower case with > initial caps. > > Hopefully someone will find this useful. > > Best, > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > Using the StrConv function > > > For those of you who have never used the StrConv function, it does > need a bit of explaining. The StrConv function allows you to convert a > string to a specified conversion setting such as uppercase, lowercase, > or proper case. > For example, StrConv("my text",3) would be converted to proper case, > reading "My Text". > > > > Here is the basic syntax: > > > StrConv(Target String, Conversion Type) > > > > > Target String is the string to be converted. In a query environment, > you can use the name of a field to specify that you are converting all > the row values of that field. > > Conversion type specifies how to convert the string. The following > constants identify the conversion type. > > 1 - Converts the string to uppercase characters. > > 2 - Converts the string to lowercase characters. > > 3 - Converts the first letter of every word in string to uppercase. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-OT mailing list dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-OT mailing list dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Tue Feb 5 09:56:29 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 07:56:29 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Solution in Search of a Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: StrConv has been around a long time, Rocky. I used it in VB 6.as well as VBA. Charlotte On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 7:50 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > > > On 2/5/2013 12:18 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > So a client has an app into which I copied, into the front end, a zip > > code table but all the cities are in upper case. So when he puts in a > > zip code and the CBF in the after update event of the zip code combo > > box retrieves the city, it's in upper case. > > > > So of course, he'd like it to appear in lower case with initial caps. > > I thought about converting the cities (some of which are two words) > > with some parsing code then discovered StrConv. Yes, just when I > > think I've seen every built-in of VBA up pops a new one (on me anyway) > > - found this by Googling the obvious "access vba make field lower case > with caps". > > Conversion Type 3 is exactly what he wanted. One update query - less > > than a minute and table's perfectly converted to lower case with > > initial > caps. > > > > Hopefully someone will find this useful. > > > > Best, > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.bchacc.com > > > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > > > > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > > > Using the StrConv function > > > > > > For those of you who have never used the StrConv function, it does > > need a bit of explaining. The StrConv function allows you to convert a > > string to a specified conversion setting such as uppercase, lowercase, > > or > proper case. > > For example, StrConv("my text",3) would be converted to proper case, > > reading "My Text". > > > > > > > > Here is the basic syntax: > > > > > > StrConv(Target String, Conversion Type) > > > > > > > > > > Target String is the string to be converted. In a query environment, > > you can use the name of a field to specify that you are converting all > > the row values of that field. > > > > Conversion type specifies how to convert the string. The following > > constants identify the conversion type. > > > > 1 - Converts the string to uppercase characters. > > > > 2 - Converts the string to lowercase characters. > > > > 3 - Converts the first letter of every word in string to uppercase. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-OT mailing list > > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From df.waters at comcast.net Tue Feb 5 10:03:14 2013 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 10:03:14 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] DB Suddenly becomes Read Only In-Reply-To: <005501ce03b5$7fe68220$7fb38660$@beechnutconsulting.com> References: <005501ce03b5$7fe68220$7fb38660$@beechnutconsulting.com> Message-ID: <002601ce03ba$4e452dc0$eacf8940$@comcast.net> Hi Guss, I've had this issue when someone who was logged in has disconnected in a way which leaves the server thinking that someone is still using it. If you have server Admin rights, go to the Administrative Tools | Computer Management. In the left task pane, open System Tools | Shared Folders. Open the Open Files folder to see if there is a line which shows the path to your file. You'll be able to see which user name is still connected. If you know that person is actually logged off (from their PC), then you can go to the Sessions folder, find that user, and right-click to disconnect that user from the server. Or, ask your IT folks to check on this. Hope this helps! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Guss Ginsburg Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 9:29 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] DB Suddenly becomes Read Only This is the second time this has happened to my back end db. The first time was about 6 months ago, and I resolved it by copying the tables into another new db, and relinked the tables in the FE to the new BE. Anyone know what may have caused this? The files are all in 2002-2003 format, and are running in Access 2010 environment. The last time this happened, they were running in a 2007 environment. The system properties and security settings seem to be the same as other DB's which work fine. I cannot rename the R/O file, or delete it. The BE is shared among a small handful of users (never more than 3 or 4). Sincerely yours, Guss Ginsburg -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Feb 5 10:06:59 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 08:06:59 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Solution in Search of a Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <436E320C075C4E71979E773C0FD9F377@HAL9007> This I know. But for me it was like learning a new word in English - and I've been speaking English for - well, never mind. Is there no end to it? :) R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 7:56 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Solution in Search of a Problem StrConv has been around a long time, Rocky. I used it in VB 6.as well as VBA. Charlotte On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 7:50 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > > > On 2/5/2013 12:18 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > So a client has an app into which I copied, into the front end, a > > zip code table but all the cities are in upper case. So when he > > puts in a zip code and the CBF in the after update event of the zip > > code combo box retrieves the city, it's in upper case. > > > > So of course, he'd like it to appear in lower case with initial caps. > > I thought about converting the cities (some of which are two words) > > with some parsing code then discovered StrConv. Yes, just when I > > think I've seen every built-in of VBA up pops a new one (on me > > anyway) > > - found this by Googling the obvious "access vba make field lower > > case > with caps". > > Conversion Type 3 is exactly what he wanted. One update query - less > > than a minute and table's perfectly converted to lower case with > > initial > caps. > > > > Hopefully someone will find this useful. > > > > Best, > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.bchacc.com > > > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > > > > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > > > Using the StrConv function > > > > > > For those of you who have never used the StrConv function, it does > > need a bit of explaining. The StrConv function allows you to convert > > a string to a specified conversion setting such as uppercase, > > lowercase, or > proper case. > > For example, StrConv("my text",3) would be converted to proper case, > > reading "My Text". > > > > > > > > Here is the basic syntax: > > > > > > StrConv(Target String, Conversion Type) > > > > > > > > > > Target String is the string to be converted. In a query environment, > > you can use the name of a field to specify that you are converting > > all the row values of that field. > > > > Conversion type specifies how to convert the string. The following > > constants identify the conversion type. > > > > 1 - Converts the string to uppercase characters. > > > > 2 - Converts the string to lowercase characters. > > > > 3 - Converts the first letter of every word in string to uppercase. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-OT mailing list > > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Tue Feb 5 13:26:08 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 11:26:08 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Solution in Search of a Problem In-Reply-To: <436E320C075C4E71979E773C0FD9F377@HAL9007> References: <436E320C075C4E71979E773C0FD9F377@HAL9007> Message-ID: What, English?;-> Charlotte On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > This I know. But for me it was like learning a new word in English - and > I've been speaking English for - well, never mind. > > Is there no end to it? :) > > R > > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Feb 6 09:24:11 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 10:24:11 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Access and Sharepoint Message-ID: I have never worked with Sharepoint and know virtually nothing about it. My new client uses it and the Access db they use is inside Sharepoint. What exactly does that mean? Will I simply deliver an Access db to them and they will copy it into Sharepoint? Is anything different in that environment than a plain old network setup? I guess I'll see what wikipedia has to say about Sharepoint. -- Arthur From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Wed Feb 6 09:43:57 2013 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 15:43:57 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Access and Sharepoint In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C4D635F8B@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Arthur They may just store the file on SharePoint bit like a word document. Ask them. Martin -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 06 February 2013 15:24 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Access and Sharepoint I have never worked with Sharepoint and know virtually nothing about it. My new client uses it and the Access db they use is inside Sharepoint. What exactly does that mean? Will I simply deliver an Access db to them and they will copy it into Sharepoint? Is anything different in that environment than a plain old network setup? I guess I'll see what wikipedia has to say about Sharepoint. -- Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jackandpat.d at gmail.com Wed Feb 6 09:44:20 2013 From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 10:44:20 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Access and Sharepoint In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Arthur, I have no working knowledge of Sharepoint. The only thing I see mentioned repeatedly is NO VBA -- only Macros. I would ask that anything you do find, could you put something in AccessD. I think we're all interested, or could become interested, so any info would be appreciated. I have seen some references to Albert Kallal (MVP- Alberta) who seems to be a proponent of 2010, 2013, macros and Sharepoint. With your new found Googling skills, I'm sure you'll find many things. Good luck. On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I have never worked with Sharepoint and know virtually nothing about it. My > new client uses it and the Access db they use is inside Sharepoint. What > exactly does that mean? Will I simply deliver an Access db to them and they > will copy it into Sharepoint? Is anything different in that environment > than a plain old network setup? > > I guess I'll see what wikipedia has to say about Sharepoint. > > -- > Arthur > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From dw-murphy at cox.net Wed Feb 6 11:20:28 2013 From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 09:20:28 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Access and Sharepoint In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005801ce048e$42622b00$c7268100$@cox.net> Arthur, We looked into using Access and Office 365 SharePoint for a client. Built some prototypes, but at least with the older version of 365 and Office 2010 it was very limited compared to the Access client and vba. UtterAccess, http://www.utteraccess.com/forum/Microsoft-SharePoint-f66.html, has a forum on this subject and most of the folks working in this area answer questions there. Doug -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 7:24 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Access and Sharepoint I have never worked with Sharepoint and know virtually nothing about it. My new client uses it and the Access db they use is inside Sharepoint. What exactly does that mean? Will I simply deliver an Access db to them and they will copy it into Sharepoint? Is anything different in that environment than a plain old network setup? I guess I'll see what wikipedia has to say about Sharepoint. -- Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Wed Feb 6 12:17:26 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 10:17:26 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Access App to Web Page In-Reply-To: <201302011647.r11GlTjg030840@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201302011647.r11GlTjg030840@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: CodeOnTime looks intriguing to me, but I'm wresting with Win8 right now, so I won't be exploring other new terroritory for a while. Charlotte On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 8:47 AM, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey All > > Has anyone checked out Code on Time? Pricey but may be worth it. > > > http://codeontime.com/CodeOnTimeVsAlphaFive.aspx?gclid=CJ7wku7FlbUCFUxxQgodc > 0cAKw > > > > Tony Septav > > Nanaimo, BC > > Canada > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Wed Feb 6 12:42:06 2013 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 12:42:06 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Access App to Web Page In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <201302061842.r16IgBd5029736@databaseadvisors.com> Hey Charlotte I don't believe any company's claims until I have checked them out for myself (I did a download, hope to be checking in the next week or two). As you mentioned if it is true it does sound intriguing and a big head ache solver. Also if again it does what they say then the cost is not that prohibitive. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: February-06-13 12:17 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access App to Web Page CodeOnTime looks intriguing to me, but I'm wresting with Win8 right now, so I won't be exploring other new terroritory for a while. Charlotte On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 8:47 AM, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey All > > Has anyone checked out Code on Time? Pricey but may be worth it. > > > http://codeontime.com/CodeOnTimeVsAlphaFive.aspx?gclid=CJ7wku7FlbUCFUxxQgodc > 0cAKw > > > > Tony Septav > > Nanaimo, BC > > Canada > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2742 / Virus Database: 2639/6078 - Release Date: 02/03/13 From jbodin at sbor.com Wed Feb 6 12:55:59 2013 From: jbodin at sbor.com (John Bodin) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 13:55:59 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Generic Procedure on form controls for Drag and Drop Message-ID: <01dd01ce049b$9ba99fb0$d2fcdf10$@sbor.com> Hello, New to this list and need some guidance on a form I've developed (I posted this on LinkedIn and got a few links with good information, but still having issues). I have a grid of many text boxes on a form in an Access 2003 app that I fill from a table upon opening the form as well as when the user changes a date box. I add some generic procedure calls on the fly to each text box where I pass the control to the generic function (for instance, I'll add a double-click event to text box "Txt101" as "=TxtBoxDblClick([Txt101])". This will pass the control to my function TxtBoxDblClick so I can react to it.) This all works fine for all text boxes and I reference just one (same) routine for each control. I'm trying to experiment with Drag and Drop and found some code that I can get to work if at Design time, I add three event procedures to a text box control (Mouse Down/Up/Move). If I do this to two different controls, creating 3 event procedures for each at design time, I can successfully drag and drop between the two controls. So the drag and drop code looks like it works. My problem is, I want to have 3 generic routines like my TxtBoxDblClick function, that I can add on the fly to the On Mouse Down/Up/Move events and I can't figure out the syntax and/or code to make this happen. I can add the custom Functions no problem, but I know I need to be able to deal with the Button, Shift, X & Y parameters somehow. I can pass the control to the custom function, but am unable to reference the Button, Shift, X & Y parameters. I'm guessing I'll need to create some type of class possibly? If so, can someone provide some sample code on how to do this what the calls would be? Thanks for any ideas. John From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Feb 6 13:16:20 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 14:16:20 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Access and Sharepoint In-Reply-To: <005801ce048e$42622b00$c7268100$@cox.net> References: <005801ce048e$42622b00$c7268100$@cox.net> Message-ID: Doug, You're not the first to mention that VBA code is unacceptable in a SharePoint environment. That is going to be a problem. On the other hand, I have been reading various things about SharePoint, and the most immediate problem is that I do not have a license to said product. As I write this, I am downloading the free version of SP 2010. Another thing to figure into this is InfoPath, which I peeked at a few years ago and not again since then. For some reason, the organization in question uses an InfoPath FE to talk to the Access BE. Are there things that InfoPath brings to the table that Access does not? I just checked and I still have InfoPath 2007 installed. But I don't really get why one would choose it over your typical Access FE. Can anyone illuminate? TIA, Arthur On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Doug Murphy wrote: > Arthur, > > We looked into using Access and Office 365 SharePoint for a client. Built > some prototypes, but at least with the older version of 365 and Office 2010 > it was very limited compared to the Access client and vba. UtterAccess, > http://www.utteraccess.com/forum/Microsoft-SharePoint-f66.html, has a > forum > on this subject and most of the folks working in this area answer questions > there. > > Doug > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 7:24 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Access and Sharepoint > > I have never worked with Sharepoint and know virtually nothing about it. My > new client uses it and the Access db they use is inside Sharepoint. What > exactly does that mean? Will I simply deliver an Access db to them and they > will copy it into Sharepoint? Is anything different in that environment > than > a plain old network setup? > > I guess I'll see what wikipedia has to say about Sharepoint. > > -- > Arthur > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From jackandpat.d at gmail.com Wed Feb 6 14:01:03 2013 From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 15:01:03 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Generic Procedure on form controls for Drag and Drop In-Reply-To: <01dd01ce049b$9ba99fb0$d2fcdf10$@sbor.com> References: <01dd01ce049b$9ba99fb0$d2fcdf10$@sbor.com> Message-ID: John, Read this thread and see if it helps http://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=166799 Funny I asked for a book reference on Event Procedures yesterday and got no responses. I found this link after some searching. Good luck. jack On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 1:55 PM, John Bodin wrote: > Hello, > > > > New to this list and need some guidance on a form I've developed (I posted > this on LinkedIn and got a few links with good information, but still > having > issues). > > > > I have a grid of many text boxes on a form in an Access 2003 app that I > fill > from a table upon opening the form as well as when the user changes a date > box. I add some generic procedure calls on the fly to each text box where I > pass the control to the generic function (for instance, I'll add a > double-click event to text box "Txt101" as "=TxtBoxDblClick([Txt101])". > This > will pass the control to my function TxtBoxDblClick so I can react to it.) > This all works fine for all text boxes and I reference just one (same) > routine for each control. > > I'm trying to experiment with Drag and Drop and found some code that I can > get to work if at Design time, I add three event procedures to a text box > control (Mouse Down/Up/Move). If I do this to two different controls, > creating 3 event procedures for each at design time, I can successfully > drag > and drop between the two controls. So the drag and drop code looks like it > works. > > My problem is, I want to have 3 generic routines like my TxtBoxDblClick > function, that I can add on the fly to the On Mouse Down/Up/Move events and > I can't figure out the syntax and/or code to make this happen. I can add > the > custom Functions no problem, but I know I need to be able to deal with the > Button, Shift, X & Y parameters somehow. I can pass the control to the > custom function, but am unable to reference the Button, Shift, X & Y > parameters. I'm guessing I'll need to create some type of class possibly? > If > so, can someone provide some sample code on how to do this what the calls > would be? Thanks for any ideas. John > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Feb 6 14:47:50 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 06:47:50 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Generic Procedure on form controls for Drag and Drop In-Reply-To: <01dd01ce049b$9ba99fb0$d2fcdf10$@sbor.com> References: <01dd01ce049b$9ba99fb0$d2fcdf10$@sbor.com> Message-ID: <5112C176.2253.23E47B62@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Hi John, Welcome to the list. Instead of "=TxtBoxDblClick([Txt101])", you can just use ="TxtBoxDblClick()" and then in TxtBoxDblClick, just refer to Me.ActiveControl. You can do the same with your other functions. You can make your Up/Down/Move functions even more generic you using something like: Select Case Left$(me.activeControl.Name,3) Case "txt" ' It's a text box ... Case "cbo" 'It's a combobox ... You can store Button,Shift/X/Y in variables local to the form Dim intBtn As Integer Dim sngX As Single Dim sngY As Single Dim intShift As Integer and populate these in the MouseDown > > New to this list and need some guidance on a form I've developed (I posted > this on LinkedIn and got a few links with good information, but still having > issues). > > > > I have a grid of many text boxes on a form in an Access 2003 app that I fill > from a table upon opening the form as well as when the user changes a date > box. I add some generic procedure calls on the fly to each text box where I > pass the control to the generic function (for instance, I'll add a > double-click event to text box "Txt101" as "=TxtBoxDblClick([Txt101])". This > will pass the control to my function TxtBoxDblClick so I can react to it.) > This all works fine for all text boxes and I reference just one (same) > routine for each control. > > I'm trying to experiment with Drag and Drop and found some code that I can > get to work if at Design time, I add three event procedures to a text box > control (Mouse Down/Up/Move). If I do this to two different controls, > creating 3 event procedures for each at design time, I can successfully drag > and drop between the two controls. So the drag and drop code looks like it > works. > > My problem is, I want to have 3 generic routines like my TxtBoxDblClick > function, that I can add on the fly to the On Mouse Down/Up/Move events and > I can't figure out the syntax and/or code to make this happen. I can add the > custom Functions no problem, but I know I need to be able to deal with the > Button, Shift, X & Y parameters somehow. I can pass the control to the > custom function, but am unable to reference the Button, Shift, X & Y > parameters. I'm guessing I'll need to create some type of class possibly? If > so, can someone provide some sample code on how to do this what the calls > would be? Thanks for any ideas. John > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jackandpat.d at gmail.com Wed Feb 6 17:54:03 2013 From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 18:54:03 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Generic Procedure on form controls for Drag and Drop In-Reply-To: <01dd01ce049b$9ba99fb0$d2fcdf10$@sbor.com> References: <01dd01ce049b$9ba99fb0$d2fcdf10$@sbor.com> Message-ID: John, I found another link that is more focused on your drag and Drop. http://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=238669 >From post #5 "I really do not have a meaning of beginner/intermediate but do have some classes broken down into minimalistic form on my SkyDrive in my signature. It?s a developmental sequence of classes used for ?drag and drop? running:- Drag Drop -> Drag Drop Resize -> Drag Drop Resize GridSnap -> Drag DropResize GridSnap Save. Some end applications for drag and drop, also on my SkyDrive, are:- Drag Floor Plan, Drag Polygons, Z Order Bound Objects and Drag and DropChess." Good luck On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 1:55 PM, John Bodin wrote: > Hello, > > > > New to this list and need some guidance on a form I've developed (I posted > this on LinkedIn and got a few links with good information, but still > having > issues). > > > > I have a grid of many text boxes on a form in an Access 2003 app that I > fill > from a table upon opening the form as well as when the user changes a date > box. I add some generic procedure calls on the fly to each text box where I > pass the control to the generic function (for instance, I'll add a > double-click event to text box "Txt101" as "=TxtBoxDblClick([Txt101])". > This > will pass the control to my function TxtBoxDblClick so I can react to it.) > This all works fine for all text boxes and I reference just one (same) > routine for each control. > > I'm trying to experiment with Drag and Drop and found some code that I can > get to work if at Design time, I add three event procedures to a text box > control (Mouse Down/Up/Move). If I do this to two different controls, > creating 3 event procedures for each at design time, I can successfully > drag > and drop between the two controls. So the drag and drop code looks like it > works. > > My problem is, I want to have 3 generic routines like my TxtBoxDblClick > function, that I can add on the fly to the On Mouse Down/Up/Move events and > I can't figure out the syntax and/or code to make this happen. I can add > the > custom Functions no problem, but I know I need to be able to deal with the > Button, Shift, X & Y parameters somehow. I can pass the control to the > custom function, but am unable to reference the Button, Shift, X & Y > parameters. I'm guessing I'll need to create some type of class possibly? > If > so, can someone provide some sample code on how to do this what the calls > would be? Thanks for any ideas. John > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From darren at activebilling.com.au Wed Feb 6 22:38:37 2013 From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 15:38:37 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] Generic Procedure on form controls for Drag and Drop In-Reply-To: <01dd01ce049b$9ba99fb0$d2fcdf10$@sbor.com> References: <01dd01ce049b$9ba99fb0$d2fcdf10$@sbor.com> Message-ID: <070401ce04ed$00bbc8f0$02335ad0$@activebilling.com.au> Hi John, Welcome to the list. We have a webpage too. http://www.databaseadvisors.com On that Webpage is some code samples. One in particular that shows one way to accomplish some elements of Drag and Drop in Access. Check it out at: http://www.databaseadvisors.com/downloads.asp And look for "Drag and Drop". Hope it's useful. Darren -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bodin Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2013 5:56 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] Generic Procedure on form controls for Drag and Drop Hello, New to this list and need some guidance on a form I've developed (I posted this on LinkedIn and got a few links with good information, but still having issues). I have a grid of many text boxes on a form in an Access 2003 app that I fill from a table upon opening the form as well as when the user changes a date box. I add some generic procedure calls on the fly to each text box where I pass the control to the generic function (for instance, I'll add a double-click event to text box "Txt101" as "=TxtBoxDblClick([Txt101])". This will pass the control to my function TxtBoxDblClick so I can react to it.) This all works fine for all text boxes and I reference just one (same) routine for each control. I'm trying to experiment with Drag and Drop and found some code that I can get to work if at Design time, I add three event procedures to a text box control (Mouse Down/Up/Move). If I do this to two different controls, creating 3 event procedures for each at design time, I can successfully drag and drop between the two controls. So the drag and drop code looks like it works. My problem is, I want to have 3 generic routines like my TxtBoxDblClick function, that I can add on the fly to the On Mouse Down/Up/Move events and I can't figure out the syntax and/or code to make this happen. I can add the custom Functions no problem, but I know I need to be able to deal with the Button, Shift, X & Y parameters somehow. I can pass the control to the custom function, but am unable to reference the Button, Shift, X & Y parameters. I'm guessing I'll need to create some type of class possibly? If so, can someone provide some sample code on how to do this what the calls would be? Thanks for any ideas. John -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 02:28:32 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 03:28:32 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Generic Procedure on form controls for Drag and Drop In-Reply-To: <01dd01ce049b$9ba99fb0$d2fcdf10$@sbor.com> References: <01dd01ce049b$9ba99fb0$d2fcdf10$@sbor.com> Message-ID: This sounds like the perfect use for a class. A class can Sync events. A class is used when you have to do the same thing over and over. The event sinks you mention would be embedded in the class and the code to process the event sinks would be embedded in the class. I left my computer at work so I can't look at this right now. In the morning I will respond further. On Feb 6, 2013 1:56 PM, "John Bodin" wrote: > Hello, > > > > New to this list and need some guidance on a form I've developed (I posted > this on LinkedIn and got a few links with good information, but still > having > issues). > > > > I have a grid of many text boxes on a form in an Access 2003 app that I > fill > from a table upon opening the form as well as when the user changes a date > box. I add some generic procedure calls on the fly to each text box where I > pass the control to the generic function (for instance, I'll add a > double-click event to text box "Txt101" as "=TxtBoxDblClick([Txt101])". > This > will pass the control to my function TxtBoxDblClick so I can react to it.) > This all works fine for all text boxes and I reference just one (same) > routine for each control. > > I'm trying to experiment with Drag and Drop and found some code that I can > get to work if at Design time, I add three event procedures to a text box > control (Mouse Down/Up/Move). If I do this to two different controls, > creating 3 event procedures for each at design time, I can successfully > drag > and drop between the two controls. So the drag and drop code looks like it > works. > > My problem is, I want to have 3 generic routines like my TxtBoxDblClick > function, that I can add on the fly to the On Mouse Down/Up/Move events and > I can't figure out the syntax and/or code to make this happen. I can add > the > custom Functions no problem, but I know I need to be able to deal with the > Button, Shift, X & Y parameters somehow. I can pass the control to the > custom function, but am unable to reference the Button, Shift, X & Y > parameters. I'm guessing I'll need to create some type of class possibly? > If > so, can someone provide some sample code on how to do this what the calls > would be? Thanks for any ideas. John > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Feb 7 04:51:23 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 20:51:23 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Generic Procedure on form controls for Drag and Drop In-Reply-To: References: <01dd01ce049b$9ba99fb0$d2fcdf10$@sbor.com>, Message-ID: <5113872B.6712.26E8CBE2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> John, JC is our resident "class" and "event sink" guru. Pay careful attention to what he says, you can learn a lot from him. -- Stuart On 7 Feb 2013 at 3:28, John Colby wrote: > This sounds like the perfect use for a class. A class can Sync events. A > class is used when you have to do the same thing over and over. The event > sinks you mention would be embedded in the class and the code to process > the event sinks would be embedded in the class. > > I left my computer at work so I can't look at this right now. In the > morning I will respond further. > On Feb 6, 2013 1:56 PM, "John Bodin" wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > New to this list and need some guidance on a form I've developed (I posted > > this on LinkedIn and got a few links with good information, but still > > having > > issues). > > > > > > > > I have a grid of many text boxes on a form in an Access 2003 app that I > > fill > > from a table upon opening the form as well as when the user changes a date > > box. I add some generic procedure calls on the fly to each text box where I > > pass the control to the generic function (for instance, I'll add a > > double-click event to text box "Txt101" as "=TxtBoxDblClick([Txt101])". > > This > > will pass the control to my function TxtBoxDblClick so I can react to it.) > > This all works fine for all text boxes and I reference just one (same) > > routine for each control. > > > > I'm trying to experiment with Drag and Drop and found some code that I can > > get to work if at Design time, I add three event procedures to a text box > > control (Mouse Down/Up/Move). If I do this to two different controls, > > creating 3 event procedures for each at design time, I can successfully > > drag > > and drop between the two controls. So the drag and drop code looks like it > > works. > > > > My problem is, I want to have 3 generic routines like my TxtBoxDblClick > > function, that I can add on the fly to the On Mouse Down/Up/Move events and > > I can't figure out the syntax and/or code to make this happen. I can add > > the > > custom Functions no problem, but I know I need to be able to deal with the > > Button, Shift, X & Y parameters somehow. I can pass the control to the > > custom function, but am unable to reference the Button, Shift, X & Y > > parameters. I'm guessing I'll need to create some type of class possibly? > > If > > so, can someone provide some sample code on how to do this what the calls > > would be? Thanks for any ideas. John > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 08:33:23 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 09:33:23 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Doin the class thing - was Re: Generic Procedure on form controls for Drag and Drop In-Reply-To: <01dd01ce049b$9ba99fb0$d2fcdf10$@sbor.com> References: <01dd01ce049b$9ba99fb0$d2fcdf10$@sbor.com> Message-ID: <5113BB33.7020709@gmail.com> John, Create a little test database. Create a form Drag and drop 3 text boxes out. When I did this they ended up with the names Text2, Text4 and Text6. Make sure that your text boxes are named that or the code won't work as it is. Open the form's code window and paste this in: '##################################### Option Compare Database Option Explicit ' 'The quick and dirty way to do this ' Private cDNDTxt2 As clsDNDText Private cDNDTxt4 As clsDNDText Private cDNDTxt6 As clsDNDText Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer) Set cDNDTxt2 = New clsDNDText cDNDTxt2.mInit Text2 Set cDNDTxt4 = New clsDNDText cDNDTxt4.mInit Text4 Set cDNDTxt6 = New clsDNDText cDNDTxt6.mInit Text6 End Sub '##################################### Next insert a class module. The 'how' changes between 2003 annd 2007 so I am leaving that up to you. In that class module insert the following: '##################################### Option Compare Database Option Explicit Private WithEvents mtxt As TextBox Private Const cEvProc As String = "[Event Procedure]" Private Sub Class_Terminate() Set mtxt = Nothing End Sub Function mInit(ltxt As TextBox) Set mtxt = ltxt mtxt.OnDblClick = cEvProc End Function Private Sub mtxt_DblClick(Cancel As Integer) 'Do something here MsgBox mtxt.Name & ".DblClick" End Sub '##################################### Save everything. Name the class clsDNDText. The form name doesn't matter. Open the form. Double click in each text box. John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/6/2013 1:55 PM, John Bodin wrote: > Hello, > > > > New to this list and need some guidance on a form I've developed (I posted > this on LinkedIn and got a few links with good information, but still having > issues). > > > > I have a grid of many text boxes on a form in an Access 2003 app that I fill > from a table upon opening the form as well as when the user changes a date > box. I add some generic procedure calls on the fly to each text box where I > pass the control to the generic function (for instance, I'll add a > double-click event to text box "Txt101" as "=TxtBoxDblClick([Txt101])". This > will pass the control to my function TxtBoxDblClick so I can react to it.) > This all works fine for all text boxes and I reference just one (same) > routine for each control. > > I'm trying to experiment with Drag and Drop and found some code that I can > get to work if at Design time, I add three event procedures to a text box > control (Mouse Down/Up/Move). If I do this to two different controls, > creating 3 event procedures for each at design time, I can successfully drag > and drop between the two controls. So the drag and drop code looks like it > works. > > My problem is, I want to have 3 generic routines like my TxtBoxDblClick > function, that I can add on the fly to the On Mouse Down/Up/Move events and > I can't figure out the syntax and/or code to make this happen. I can add the > custom Functions no problem, but I know I need to be able to deal with the > Button, Shift, X & Y parameters somehow. I can pass the control to the > custom function, but am unable to reference the Button, Shift, X & Y > parameters. I'm guessing I'll need to create some type of class possibly? If > so, can someone provide some sample code on how to do this what the calls > would be? Thanks for any ideas. John > > > From jwcolby at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 09:17:49 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 10:17:49 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Doin the class thing - clsDNDText In-Reply-To: <5113BB33.7020709@gmail.com> References: <01dd01ce049b$9ba99fb0$d2fcdf10$@sbor.com> <5113BB33.7020709@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5113C59D.2090404@gmail.com> OK, let's discuss what is going on. clsDNDText is a class which I call an object wrapper. It wraps an access object (a text box in this case) and then uses event sinks to service the events of the wrapped object. So this class wraps a text box. Notice in the header of the class the line: Private WithEvents mtxt As TextBox This dimensions a text box variable private (cannot be seen outside of the class) and informs VBA that the class will be sinking events (the WithEvents keyword). Next we have a constant which holds the text "[Event Procedure]" Private Const cEvProc As String = "[Event Procedure]" It is good programming practice to as much as possible have a class self contained, not depending on outside resources to perform its function. Next we have termination code. When a class unloads it calls its terminate event if one exists. In this case it simply "unhooks" the text box, setting the pointer to nothing. We do that because it is possible to prevent a form from closing when objects on the form have pointers to them that are not cleaned up. Private Sub Class_Terminate() Set mtxt = Nothing End Sub We then have an Init function which is public, and allows us to pass in a pointer to a text box. mInit then stores that pointer in our class header. This allows the class to sink any and all events for the passed in object (text box). Notice that we immediately place the cEvProc into the OnDblClick property of the text box. It is a little known fact that it is the very existence of that text in the property that causes VBA to start raising events for the object. By specifically placing that code in that property in our code, we do not need the developer to double click the property for us. In this case we have only hooked the OnDblClick event however we could add others by adding a similar line of code for other events. Function mInit(ltxt As TextBox) Set mtxt = ltxt mtxt.OnDblClick = cEvProc End Function And finally, the guts of the thing, the very reason for doing all this, we have the event sink itself. This code is entered when the event fires for the specific text box which this class instance wraps. IOW if we have several instances of this class, one for TextBox 2, TextBox4 and TextBox6, then when you double click in TextBox4, the event in the instance servicing that text box will sink the event and do something with it. In this case I am simply poppigg up a message box to display the name of the control. Private Sub mtxt_DblClick(Cancel As Integer) 'Do something here MsgBox mtxt.Name & ".DblClick" End Sub John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/7/2013 9:33 AM, John W Colby wrote: > John, > > Create a little test database. > Create a form > Drag and drop 3 text boxes out. When I did this they ended up with the names Text2, Text4 and > Text6. Make sure that your text boxes are named that or the code won't work as it is. > > Open the form's code window and paste this in: > > '##################################### > Option Compare Database > Option Explicit > > ' > 'The quick and dirty way to do this > ' > Private cDNDTxt2 As clsDNDText > Private cDNDTxt4 As clsDNDText > Private cDNDTxt6 As clsDNDText > > Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer) > Set cDNDTxt2 = New clsDNDText > cDNDTxt2.mInit Text2 > > Set cDNDTxt4 = New clsDNDText > cDNDTxt4.mInit Text4 > > Set cDNDTxt6 = New clsDNDText > cDNDTxt6.mInit Text6 > > End Sub > '##################################### > > Next insert a class module. The 'how' changes between 2003 annd 2007 so I am leaving that up to you. > > In that class module insert the following: > > '##################################### > Option Compare Database > Option Explicit > > Private WithEvents mtxt As TextBox > Private Const cEvProc As String = "[Event Procedure]" > Private Sub Class_Terminate() > Set mtxt = Nothing > End Sub > > Function mInit(ltxt As TextBox) > Set mtxt = ltxt > mtxt.OnDblClick = cEvProc > End Function > > Private Sub mtxt_DblClick(Cancel As Integer) > 'Do something here > MsgBox mtxt.Name & ".DblClick" > End Sub > '##################################### > > Save everything. Name the class clsDNDText. The form name doesn't matter. > > Open the form. Double click in each text box. > > John W. Colby > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > From jwcolby at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 09:29:48 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 10:29:48 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Doin the class thing - frmDNDText Message-ID: <5113C86C.2080408@gmail.com> The code for the form's class is simple. In the form's header we create an instance of the class for every text box we want to handle. Notice that I already have a disclaimer that this is the 'quick and dirty' way of doing things. This works but there is a better way which we will discuss once you have absorbed this method. ' 'The quick and dirty way to do this ' Private cDNDTxt2 As clsDNDText Private cDNDTxt4 As clsDNDText Private cDNDTxt6 As clsDNDText In the form's Open event we initialize each of the instances of this class, setting the pointer to each instance using the new keyword and then passing in a pointer to one of the text boxes in the mInit method. Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer) Set cDNDTxt2 = New clsDNDText cDNDTxt2.mInit Text2 Set cDNDTxt4 = New clsDNDText cDNDTxt4.mInit Text4 Set cDNDTxt6 = New clsDNDText cDNDTxt6.mInit Text6 End Sub and finally, not included in the original post we want to cleanup in the form's close event Private Sub Form_Close() Set cDNDTxt2 = Nothing Set cDNDTxt4 = Nothing Set cDNDTxt6 = Nothing End Sub How much simpler can it be? Let's discuss this and then we can move on to the next step. -- John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From jwcolby at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 09:34:01 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 10:34:01 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Any book recommendations - Event Procedures/Programming In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Classes and events is the highly guarded secret of the elite few. ;) If everyone knew about them then how could we claim to be elite? jwcolby On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:16 AM, jack drawbridge wrote: > Just curious if anyone has a book(s) (or site(s)/video(s)) recommendation > for Event Procedures generally. I know John C has started many tutorials > and expressed the importance of classes and events, but I find info (Google > search based) sparse at best. I have not found a site that addresses > classes with the same level and description of JC. (Was the stuff he > tempted us with (2009) ever get publish/collected and saved. I have found > some things by Chris O'Brien (on another forum) related to soft coded > events. > > It's more a curiosity than a need. I'm retired, not consulting, but have a > recurring interest and thought I should ask. > > Thanks in advance. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From jwcolby at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 10:26:54 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 11:26:54 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] test Message-ID: Is my email getting through? I am not receiving responses to emails sent to the group this AM. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 10:38:15 2013 From: davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com (David A Gibson) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 10:38:15 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00a501ce0551$87ccd140$976673c0$@gmail.com> I've been getting your emails. David Gibson -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 10:27 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] test Is my email getting through? I am not receiving responses to emails sent to the group this AM. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From paul.hartland at googlemail.com Thu Feb 7 10:39:40 2013 From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 16:39:40 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: yes On 7 February 2013 16:26, John Colby wrote: > Is my email getting through? > > I am not receiving responses to emails sent to the group this AM. > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com From jwcolby at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 11:01:02 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 12:01:02 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You have received three messages on "doin the class thing"? jwc On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Paul Hartland wrote: > yes > > On 7 February 2013 16:26, John Colby wrote: > > > Is my email getting through? > > > > I am not receiving responses to emails sent to the group this AM. > > > > -- > > John W. Colby > > Colby Consulting > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Paul Hartland > paul.hartland at googlemail.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From davidmcafee at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 11:02:37 2013 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 09:02:37 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Generic Procedure on form controls for Drag and Drop In-Reply-To: <5113872B.6712.26E8CBE2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <01dd01ce049b$9ba99fb0$d2fcdf10$@sbor.com> <5113872B.6712.26E8CBE2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: You can also get very lost and confused, or maybe that's just me. ;) On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 2:51 AM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > John, > > JC is our resident "class" and "event sink" guru. Pay careful attention > to what he says, you > can learn a lot from him. > > -- > Stuart > From jwcolby at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 11:05:53 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 12:05:53 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have sent three emails with the subject 'doin the class thing'. I sent those all from Thunderbird via the gmail account which supposedly works with AccessD. I have only received one of those back, the first. jwcolby On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 12:01 PM, John Colby wrote: > You have received three messages on "doin the class thing"? > > jwc > > > On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Paul Hartland < > paul.hartland at googlemail.com> wrote: > >> yes >> >> On 7 February 2013 16:26, John Colby wrote: >> >> > Is my email getting through? >> > >> > I am not receiving responses to emails sent to the group this AM. >> > >> > -- >> > John W. Colby >> > Colby Consulting >> > -- >> > AccessD mailing list >> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Paul Hartland >> paul.hartland at googlemail.com >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From jimdettman at verizon.net Thu Feb 7 11:08:53 2013 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 12:08:53 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yup. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 12:01 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] test You have received three messages on "doin the class thing"? jwc On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Paul Hartland wrote: > yes > > On 7 February 2013 16:26, John Colby wrote: > > > Is my email getting through? > > > > I am not receiving responses to emails sent to the group this AM. > > > > -- > > John W. Colby > > Colby Consulting > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Paul Hartland > paul.hartland at googlemail.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 11:22:12 2013 From: davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com (David A Gibson) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 11:22:12 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00aa01ce0557$ab6eebf0$024cc3d0$@gmail.com> Yes -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 11:01 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] test You have received three messages on "doin the class thing"? jwc On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Paul Hartland wrote: > yes > > On 7 February 2013 16:26, John Colby wrote: > > > Is my email getting through? > > > > I am not receiving responses to emails sent to the group this AM. > > > > -- > > John W. Colby > > Colby Consulting > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Paul Hartland > paul.hartland at googlemail.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jackandpat.d at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 11:44:15 2013 From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 12:44:15 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Any book recommendations - Event Procedures/Programming In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: After a lot of searching, and your attempts to show us, I think you may be correct. There's not a lot of info out there. I saw a couple of books the other day, but either "the print's too small" or there're 6 relevant pages in 1200 pages. Back to working through examples. jack On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 10:34 AM, John Colby wrote: > Classes and events is the highly guarded secret of the elite few. ;) If > everyone knew about them then how could we claim to be elite? > > jwcolby > > On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:16 AM, jack drawbridge >wrote: > > > Just curious if anyone has a book(s) (or site(s)/video(s)) recommendation > > for Event Procedures generally. I know John C has started many tutorials > > and expressed the importance of classes and events, but I find info > (Google > > search based) sparse at best. I have not found a site that addresses > > classes with the same level and description of JC. (Was the stuff he > > tempted us with (2009) ever get publish/collected and saved. I have > found > > some things by Chris O'Brien (on another forum) related to soft coded > > events. > > > > It's more a curiosity than a need. I'm retired, not consulting, but have > a > > recurring interest and thought I should ask. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jackandpat.d at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 11:47:31 2013 From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 12:47:31 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] test In-Reply-To: <00aa01ce0557$ab6eebf0$024cc3d0$@gmail.com> References: <00aa01ce0557$ab6eebf0$024cc3d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 12:22 PM, David A Gibson < davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com> wrote: > Yes > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 11:01 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] test > > You have received three messages on "doin the class thing"? > > jwc > > On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Paul Hartland < > paul.hartland at googlemail.com > > wrote: > > > yes > > > > On 7 February 2013 16:26, John Colby wrote: > > > > > Is my email getting through? > > > > > > I am not receiving responses to emails sent to the group this AM. > > > > > > -- > > > John W. Colby > > > Colby Consulting > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Paul Hartland > > paul.hartland at googlemail.com > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 11:57:32 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 12:57:32 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Any book recommendations - Event Procedures/Programming In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have tons of working examples. I suppose I should go start a blog eh? I have never blogged before. jwcfolby On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 12:44 PM, jack drawbridge wrote: > After a lot of searching, and your attempts to show us, I think you may > be correct. There's not a lot of info out there. I saw a couple of books > the other day, but either "the print's too small" or there're 6 relevant > pages in 1200 pages. > > Back to working through examples. > jack > > > On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 10:34 AM, John Colby wrote: > > > Classes and events is the highly guarded secret of the elite few. ;) If > > everyone knew about them then how could we claim to be elite? > > > > jwcolby > > > > On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:16 AM, jack drawbridge > >wrote: > > > > > Just curious if anyone has a book(s) (or site(s)/video(s)) > recommendation > > > for Event Procedures generally. I know John C has started many > tutorials > > > and expressed the importance of classes and events, but I find info > > (Google > > > search based) sparse at best. I have not found a site that addresses > > > classes with the same level and description of JC. (Was the stuff he > > > tempted us with (2009) ever get publish/collected and saved. I have > > found > > > some things by Chris O'Brien (on another forum) related to soft coded > > > events. > > > > > > It's more a curiosity than a need. I'm retired, not consulting, but > have > > a > > > recurring interest and thought I should ask. > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > John W. Colby > > Colby Consulting > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 11:57:18 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 09:57:18 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I got it, John. Haven't been on the computer til now. Charlotte On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 8:26 AM, John Colby wrote: > Is my email getting through? > > I am not receiving responses to emails sent to the group this AM. > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 12:08:41 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 10:08:41 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Generic Procedure on form controls for Drag and Drop In-Reply-To: References: <01dd01ce049b$9ba99fb0$d2fcdf10$@sbor.com> <5113872B.6712.26E8CBE2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: It's just you, David. ;-} I understand perfectly what John is saying. LOL Charlotte On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 9:02 AM, David McAfee wrote: > You can also get very lost and confused, or maybe that's just me. ;) > > > > On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 2:51 AM, Stuart McLachlan >wrote: > > > John, > > > > JC is our resident "class" and "event sink" guru. Pay careful > attention > > to what he says, you > > can learn a lot from him. > > > > -- > > Stuart > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 12:19:11 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 10:19:11 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Any book recommendations - Event Procedures/Programming In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Go for it, John! I'll subscribe. You and I may be the last VBA class builders standing soon! LOL Charlotte On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 9:57 AM, John Colby wrote: > I have tons of working examples. > > I suppose I should go start a blog eh? I have never blogged before. > > jwcfolby > > > On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 12:44 PM, jack drawbridge >wrote: > > > After a lot of searching, and your attempts to show us, I think you may > > be correct. There's not a lot of info out there. I saw a couple of books > > the other day, but either "the print's too small" or there're 6 relevant > > pages in 1200 pages. > > > > Back to working through examples. > > jack > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 10:34 AM, John Colby wrote: > > > > > Classes and events is the highly guarded secret of the elite few. ;) > If > > > everyone knew about them then how could we claim to be elite? > > > > > > jwcolby > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:16 AM, jack drawbridge < > jackandpat.d at gmail.com > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > Just curious if anyone has a book(s) (or site(s)/video(s)) > > recommendation > > > > for Event Procedures generally. I know John C has started many > > tutorials > > > > and expressed the importance of classes and events, but I find info > > > (Google > > > > search based) sparse at best. I have not found a site that addresses > > > > classes with the same level and description of JC. (Was the stuff he > > > > tempted us with (2009) ever get publish/collected and saved. I have > > > found > > > > some things by Chris O'Brien (on another forum) related to soft coded > > > > events. > > > > > > > > It's more a curiosity than a need. I'm retired, not consulting, but > > have > > > a > > > > recurring interest and thought I should ask. > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > -- > > > > AccessD mailing list > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > John W. Colby > > > Colby Consulting > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 12:34:01 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 13:34:01 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Generic Procedure on form controls for Drag and Drop In-Reply-To: References: <01dd01ce049b$9ba99fb0$d2fcdf10$@sbor.com> <5113872B.6712.26E8CBE2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: ROTFL. I haven't a clue what he is saying. jwcolby On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > It's just you, David. ;-} I understand perfectly what John is saying. LOL > > Charlotte > > On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 9:02 AM, David McAfee > wrote: > > > You can also get very lost and confused, or maybe that's just me. ;) > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 2:51 AM, Stuart McLachlan > >wrote: > > > > > John, > > > > > > JC is our resident "class" and "event sink" guru. Pay careful > > attention > > > to what he says, you > > > can learn a lot from him. > > > > > > -- > > > Stuart > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From jwcolby at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 13:08:42 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 14:08:42 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Doin the class thing - the form side Message-ID: I never received this back from AccessD so I do not know if it was ever received by you guys. If so just read it again. ;) The code for the form's class is simple. In the form's header we create an instance of the class for every text box we want to handle. Notice that I already have a disclaimer that this is the 'quick and dirty' way of doing things. This works but there is a better way which we will discuss once you have absorbed this method. ' 'The quick and dirty way to do this ' Private cDNDTxt2 As clsDNDText Private cDNDTxt4 As clsDNDText Private cDNDTxt6 As clsDNDText In the form's Open event we initialize each of the instances of this class, setting the pointer to each instance using the new keyword and then passing in a pointer to one of the text boxes in the mInit method. Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer) Set cDNDTxt2 = New clsDNDText cDNDTxt2.mInit Text2 Set cDNDTxt4 = New clsDNDText cDNDTxt4.mInit Text4 Set cDNDTxt6 = New clsDNDText cDNDTxt6.mInit Text6 End Sub and finally, not included in the original post we want to cleanup in the form's close event Private Sub Form_Close() Set cDNDTxt2 = Nothing Set cDNDTxt4 = Nothing Set cDNDTxt6 = Nothing End Sub How much simpler can it be? Let's discuss this and then we can move on to the next step. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From jwcolby at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 13:10:06 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 14:10:06 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Doin the class thing - the class side. Message-ID: OK, let's discuss what is going on. clsDNDText is a class which I call an object wrapper. It wraps an access object (a text box in this case) and then uses event sinks to service the events of the wrapped object. So this class wraps a text box. Notice in the header of the class the line: Private WithEvents mtxt As TextBox This dimensions a text box variable private (cannot be seen outside of the class) and informs VBA that the class will be sinking events (the WithEvents keyword). Next we have a constant which holds the text "[Event Procedure]" Private Const cEvProc As String = "[Event Procedure]" It is good programming practice to as much as possible have a class self contained, not depending on outside resources to perform its function. Next we have termination code. When a class unloads it calls its terminate event if one exists. In this case it simply "unhooks" the text box, setting the pointer to nothing. We do that because it is possible to prevent a form from closing when objects on the form have pointers to them that are not cleaned up. Private Sub Class_Terminate() Set mtxt = Nothing End Sub We then have an Init function which is public, and allows us to pass in a pointer to a text box. mInit then stores that pointer in our class header. This allows the class to sink any and all events for the passed in object (text box). Notice that we immediately place the cEvProc into the OnDblClick property of the text box. It is a little known fact that it is the very existence of that text in the property that causes VBA to start raising events for the object. By specifically placing that code in that property in our code, we do not need the developer to double click the property for us. In this case we have only hooked the OnDblClick event however we could add others by adding a similar line of code for other events. Function mInit(ltxt As TextBox) Set mtxt = ltxt mtxt.OnDblClick = cEvProc End Function And finally, the guts of the thing, the very reason for doing all this, we have the event sink itself. This code is entered when the event fires for the specific text box which this class instance wraps. IOW if we have several instances of this class, one for TextBox 2, TextBox4 and TextBox6, then when you double click in TextBox4, the event in the instance servicing that text box will sink the event and do something with it. In this case I am simply poppigg up a message box to display the name of the control. Private Sub mtxt_DblClick(Cancel As Integer) 'Do something here MsgBox mtxt.Name & ".DblClick" End Sub John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com Thu Feb 7 14:23:04 2013 From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 14:23:04 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Any book recommendations - EventProcedures/Programming In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701F38FA92@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> In the old Access Developer's Handbooks was a chapter (50 pages in the book - out of 1600) about Class Modules. If you can get your hands on one of those, it was nice introduction to classes. Rusty -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack drawbridge Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 11:44 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any book recommendations - EventProcedures/Programming After a lot of searching, and your attempts to show us, I think you may be correct. There's not a lot of info out there. I saw a couple of books the other day, but either "the print's too small" or there're 6 relevant pages in 1200 pages. Back to working through examples. jack On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 10:34 AM, John Colby wrote: > Classes and events is the highly guarded secret of the elite few. ;) > If everyone knew about them then how could we claim to be elite? > > jwcolby > > On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:16 AM, jack drawbridge > >wrote: > > > Just curious if anyone has a book(s) (or site(s)/video(s)) > > recommendation for Event Procedures generally. I know John C has > > started many tutorials and expressed the importance of classes and > > events, but I find info > (Google > > search based) sparse at best. I have not found a site that addresses > > classes with the same level and description of JC. (Was the stuff he > > tempted us with (2009) ever get publish/collected and saved. I have > found > > some things by Chris O'Brien (on another forum) related to soft > > coded events. > > > > It's more a curiosity than a need. I'm retired, not consulting, but > > have > a > > recurring interest and thought I should ask. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ********************************************************************** WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. ********************************************************************** From jwcolby at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 14:51:59 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 15:51:59 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Any book recommendations - EventProcedures/Programming In-Reply-To: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701F38FA92@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> References: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701F38FA92@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> Message-ID: in this book are a couple of chapters I wrote about the subject. http://www.amazon.com/Beginning-Access-2002-VBA-Programmer/dp/0764544020 jwcolby On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Rusty Hammond wrote: > In the old Access Developer's Handbooks was a chapter (50 pages in the > book - out of 1600) about Class Modules. If you can get your hands on > one of those, it was nice introduction to classes. > > Rusty > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack > drawbridge > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 11:44 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any book recommendations - > EventProcedures/Programming > > After a lot of searching, and your attempts to show us, I think you > may be correct. There's not a lot of info out there. I saw a couple of > books the other day, but either "the print's too small" or there're 6 > relevant pages in 1200 pages. > > Back to working through examples. > jack > > > On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 10:34 AM, John Colby wrote: > > > Classes and events is the highly guarded secret of the elite few. ;) > > > If everyone knew about them then how could we claim to be elite? > > > > jwcolby > > > > On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:16 AM, jack drawbridge > > > >wrote: > > > > > Just curious if anyone has a book(s) (or site(s)/video(s)) > > > recommendation for Event Procedures generally. I know John C has > > > started many tutorials and expressed the importance of classes and > > > events, but I find info > > (Google > > > search based) sparse at best. I have not found a site that addresses > > > > classes with the same level and description of JC. (Was the stuff he > > > > tempted us with (2009) ever get publish/collected and saved. I have > > found > > > some things by Chris O'Brien (on another forum) related to soft > > > coded events. > > > > > > It's more a curiosity than a need. I'm retired, not consulting, but > > > have > > a > > > recurring interest and thought I should ask. > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > John W. Colby > > Colby Consulting > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > ********************************************************************** > WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, > scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. > corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or review > by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. > ********************************************************************** > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From jwcolby at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 14:57:55 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 15:57:55 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages Message-ID: I am still not seeing two messages I wrote re the form and the class, explaining the code in each. I wrote them to AccessD and I am getting other emails that I have sent to AccessD so I am confused. Has anyone else seen three medium long emails on the subject of a class and form to handle double click events of a text box? I am writing them straight from my browser now and they show as sent in GMail. John W. Colby Colby Consulting From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Feb 7 15:05:38 2013 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 21:05:38 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages References: Message-ID: <9D7B7D00DB854C2DA48051D706AD7B7B@jamesc319792ae> As a new joiner (this week) I'll jump in and say that I had, and have a problem with echo'ss of messages I email to other forums since my ISP subcontracted my email to Gmail. Gmail seems to 'recognise' when an email forum is sending you something you sent, and discards that 'repro' of your posting. If you want a copy of what you sent, then you have to cc yourself, or setup a 'rule' to copy the messages sent to adresses such as the forum back to your inbox. Seems that, according to Gmail you are not allowed to see what the other forum members got from the forum JimB ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Colby" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 8:57 PM Subject: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages >I am still not seeing two messages I wrote re the form and the class, > explaining the code in each. I wrote them to AccessD and I am getting > other > emails that I have sent to AccessD so I am confused. > > Has anyone else seen three medium long emails on the subject of a class > and > form to handle double click events of a text box? I am writing them > straight from my browser now and they show as sent in GMail. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 15:16:59 2013 From: davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com (David A Gibson) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 15:16:59 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Doin the class thing - was Re: Generic Procedure on form controls for Drag and Drop In-Reply-To: <5113BB33.7020709@gmail.com> References: <01dd01ce049b$9ba99fb0$d2fcdf10$@sbor.com> <5113BB33.7020709@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00c801ce0578$77df4b60$679de220$@gmail.com> 1st -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 8:33 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Doin the class thing - was Re: Generic Procedure on form controls for Drag and Drop John, Create a little test database. Create a form Drag and drop 3 text boxes out. When I did this they ended up with the names Text2, Text4 and Text6. Make sure that your text boxes are named that or the code won't work as it is. Open the form's code window and paste this in: '##################################### Option Compare Database Option Explicit ' 'The quick and dirty way to do this ' Private cDNDTxt2 As clsDNDText Private cDNDTxt4 As clsDNDText Private cDNDTxt6 As clsDNDText Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer) Set cDNDTxt2 = New clsDNDText cDNDTxt2.mInit Text2 Set cDNDTxt4 = New clsDNDText cDNDTxt4.mInit Text4 Set cDNDTxt6 = New clsDNDText cDNDTxt6.mInit Text6 End Sub '##################################### Next insert a class module. The 'how' changes between 2003 annd 2007 so I am leaving that up to you. In that class module insert the following: '##################################### Option Compare Database Option Explicit Private WithEvents mtxt As TextBox Private Const cEvProc As String = "[Event Procedure]" Private Sub Class_Terminate() Set mtxt = Nothing End Sub Function mInit(ltxt As TextBox) Set mtxt = ltxt mtxt.OnDblClick = cEvProc End Function Private Sub mtxt_DblClick(Cancel As Integer) 'Do something here MsgBox mtxt.Name & ".DblClick" End Sub '##################################### Save everything. Name the class clsDNDText. The form name doesn't matter. Open the form. Double click in each text box. John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/6/2013 1:55 PM, John Bodin wrote: > Hello, > > > > New to this list and need some guidance on a form I've developed (I > posted this on LinkedIn and got a few links with good information, but > still having issues). > > > > I have a grid of many text boxes on a form in an Access 2003 app that > I fill from a table upon opening the form as well as when the user > changes a date box. I add some generic procedure calls on the fly to > each text box where I pass the control to the generic function (for > instance, I'll add a double-click event to text box "Txt101" as > "=TxtBoxDblClick([Txt101])". This will pass the control to my function > TxtBoxDblClick so I can react to it.) This all works fine for all text > boxes and I reference just one (same) routine for each control. > > I'm trying to experiment with Drag and Drop and found some code that I > can get to work if at Design time, I add three event procedures to a > text box control (Mouse Down/Up/Move). If I do this to two different > controls, creating 3 event procedures for each at design time, I can > successfully drag and drop between the two controls. So the drag and > drop code looks like it works. > > My problem is, I want to have 3 generic routines like my > TxtBoxDblClick function, that I can add on the fly to the On Mouse > Down/Up/Move events and I can't figure out the syntax and/or code to > make this happen. I can add the custom Functions no problem, but I > know I need to be able to deal with the Button, Shift, X & Y > parameters somehow. I can pass the control to the custom function, but > am unable to reference the Button, Shift, X & Y parameters. I'm > guessing I'll need to create some type of class possibly? If so, can > someone provide some sample code on how to do this what the calls > would be? Thanks for any ideas. John > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 15:17:08 2013 From: davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com (David A Gibson) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 15:17:08 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Doin the class thing - clsDNDText In-Reply-To: <5113C59D.2090404@gmail.com> References: <01dd01ce049b$9ba99fb0$d2fcdf10$@sbor.com> <5113BB33.7020709@gmail.com> <5113C59D.2090404@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00ca01ce0578$7da36e00$78ea4a00$@gmail.com> 2nd -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 9:18 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Doin the class thing - clsDNDText OK, let's discuss what is going on. clsDNDText is a class which I call an object wrapper. It wraps an access object (a text box in this case) and then uses event sinks to service the events of the wrapped object. So this class wraps a text box. Notice in the header of the class the line: Private WithEvents mtxt As TextBox This dimensions a text box variable private (cannot be seen outside of the class) and informs VBA that the class will be sinking events (the WithEvents keyword). Next we have a constant which holds the text "[Event Procedure]" Private Const cEvProc As String = "[Event Procedure]" It is good programming practice to as much as possible have a class self contained, not depending on outside resources to perform its function. Next we have termination code. When a class unloads it calls its terminate event if one exists. In this case it simply "unhooks" the text box, setting the pointer to nothing. We do that because it is possible to prevent a form from closing when objects on the form have pointers to them that are not cleaned up. Private Sub Class_Terminate() Set mtxt = Nothing End Sub We then have an Init function which is public, and allows us to pass in a pointer to a text box. mInit then stores that pointer in our class header. This allows the class to sink any and all events for the passed in object (text box). Notice that we immediately place the cEvProc into the OnDblClick property of the text box. It is a little known fact that it is the very existence of that text in the property that causes VBA to start raising events for the object. By specifically placing that code in that property in our code, we do not need the developer to double click the property for us. In this case we have only hooked the OnDblClick event however we could add others by adding a similar line of code for other events. Function mInit(ltxt As TextBox) Set mtxt = ltxt mtxt.OnDblClick = cEvProc End Function And finally, the guts of the thing, the very reason for doing all this, we have the event sink itself. This code is entered when the event fires for the specific text box which this class instance wraps. IOW if we have several instances of this class, one for TextBox 2, TextBox4 and TextBox6, then when you double click in TextBox4, the event in the instance servicing that text box will sink the event and do something with it. In this case I am simply poppigg up a message box to display the name of the control. Private Sub mtxt_DblClick(Cancel As Integer) 'Do something here MsgBox mtxt.Name & ".DblClick" End Sub John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/7/2013 9:33 AM, John W Colby wrote: > John, > > Create a little test database. > Create a form > Drag and drop 3 text boxes out. When I did this they ended up with > the names Text2, Text4 and Text6. Make sure that your text boxes are named that or the code won't work as it is. > > Open the form's code window and paste this in: > > '##################################### > Option Compare Database > Option Explicit > > ' > 'The quick and dirty way to do this > ' > Private cDNDTxt2 As clsDNDText > Private cDNDTxt4 As clsDNDText > Private cDNDTxt6 As clsDNDText > > Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer) > Set cDNDTxt2 = New clsDNDText > cDNDTxt2.mInit Text2 > > Set cDNDTxt4 = New clsDNDText > cDNDTxt4.mInit Text4 > > Set cDNDTxt6 = New clsDNDText > cDNDTxt6.mInit Text6 > > End Sub > '##################################### > > Next insert a class module. The 'how' changes between 2003 annd 2007 so I am leaving that up to you. > > In that class module insert the following: > > '##################################### > Option Compare Database > Option Explicit > > Private WithEvents mtxt As TextBox > Private Const cEvProc As String = "[Event Procedure]" > Private Sub Class_Terminate() > Set mtxt = Nothing > End Sub > > Function mInit(ltxt As TextBox) > Set mtxt = ltxt > mtxt.OnDblClick = cEvProc > End Function > > Private Sub mtxt_DblClick(Cancel As Integer) > 'Do something here > MsgBox mtxt.Name & ".DblClick" > End Sub > '##################################### > > Save everything. Name the class clsDNDText. The form name doesn't matter. > > Open the form. Double click in each text box. > > John W. Colby > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 15:17:16 2013 From: davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com (David A Gibson) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 15:17:16 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Doin the class thing - frmDNDText In-Reply-To: <5113C86C.2080408@gmail.com> References: <5113C86C.2080408@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00cc01ce0578$82446d60$86cd4820$@gmail.com> 3rd -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 9:30 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Doin the class thing - frmDNDText The code for the form's class is simple. In the form's header we create an instance of the class for every text box we want to handle. Notice that I already have a disclaimer that this is the 'quick and dirty' way of doing things. This works but there is a better way which we will discuss once you have absorbed this method. ' 'The quick and dirty way to do this ' Private cDNDTxt2 As clsDNDText Private cDNDTxt4 As clsDNDText Private cDNDTxt6 As clsDNDText In the form's Open event we initialize each of the instances of this class, setting the pointer to each instance using the new keyword and then passing in a pointer to one of the text boxes in the mInit method. Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer) Set cDNDTxt2 = New clsDNDText cDNDTxt2.mInit Text2 Set cDNDTxt4 = New clsDNDText cDNDTxt4.mInit Text4 Set cDNDTxt6 = New clsDNDText cDNDTxt6.mInit Text6 End Sub and finally, not included in the original post we want to cleanup in the form's close event Private Sub Form_Close() Set cDNDTxt2 = Nothing Set cDNDTxt4 = Nothing Set cDNDTxt6 = Nothing End Sub How much simpler can it be? Let's discuss this and then we can move on to the next step. -- John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Feb 7 15:50:06 2013 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 21:50:06 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages References: Message-ID: <79D516B753BD410188EB5B1854D8648A@jamesc319792ae> Follow-up to my earlier response- It's been over 30 minutes, and I still haven't seen the message I posted, although I did get the following 'Ack' JimB ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 9:05 PM Subject: AccessD post acknowledgement > Your message entitled > > Re: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages > > was successfully received by the AccessD mailing list. > > List info page: http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Your preferences: > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/options/accessd/jamesbutton%40blueyonder.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Colby" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 8:57 PM Subject: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages >I am still not seeing two messages I wrote re the form and the class, > explaining the code in each. I wrote them to AccessD and I am getting > other > emails that I have sent to AccessD so I am confused. > > Has anyone else seen three medium long emails on the subject of a class > and > form to handle double click events of a text box? I am writing them > straight from my browser now and they show as sent in GMail. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Thu Feb 7 16:16:44 2013 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 16:16:44 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <007e01ce0580$d014f430$703edc90$@winhaven.net> Hi John, I checked and there are no pending moderator requests for AccessD Bryan is the one to take it to from here. John B -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 2:58 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages I am still not seeing two messages I wrote re the form and the class, explaining the code in each. I wrote them to AccessD and I am getting other emails that I have sent to AccessD so I am confused. Has anyone else seen three medium long emails on the subject of a class and form to handle double click events of a text box? I am writing them straight from my browser now and they show as sent in GMail. John W. Colby Colby Consulting -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 16:41:20 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 17:41:20 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages In-Reply-To: <007e01ce0580$d014f430$703edc90$@winhaven.net> References: <007e01ce0580$d014f430$703edc90$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <51142D90.5070707@gmail.com> Wellll.... I am not sure what the issue is. T%he messages are getting to AccessD so it is my end that is the problem. Or perhaps I am just getting so old..... I'm joining the 'move the deer crossing' movement. http://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/CI8UPHMzZm8?rel=0 John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/7/2013 5:16 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Hi John, > I checked and there are no pending moderator requests for AccessD > > Bryan is the one to take it to from here. > John B > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 2:58 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages > > I am still not seeing two messages I wrote re the form and the class, > explaining the code in each. I wrote them to AccessD and I am getting other > emails that I have sent to AccessD so I am confused. > > Has anyone else seen three medium long emails on the subject of a class and > form to handle double click events of a text box? I am writing them > straight from my browser now and they show as sent in GMail. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 16:46:09 2013 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 17:46:09 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages References: <007e01ce0580$d014f430$703edc90$@winhaven.net> <51142D90.5070707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8688ABEFAA6E42D5856C020FA62B463E@SusanHarkins> John, gmail.com doesn't send copies of list mail to the sender. Susan H. > Wellll.... I am not sure what the issue is. T%he messages are getting to > AccessD so it is my end that is the problem. > > > Or perhaps I am just getting so old..... > > I'm joining the 'move the deer crossing' movement. > > http://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/CI8UPHMzZm8?rel=0 > > John W. Colby > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it From jackandpat.d at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 17:00:31 2013 From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 18:00:31 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages In-Reply-To: <51142D90.5070707@gmail.com> References: <007e01ce0580$d014f430$703edc90$@winhaven.net> <51142D90.5070707@gmail.com> Message-ID: JC, Where can we sign up?? That's funny. As for AccessD, I didn't get a return copy of the request I sent the other day re Book Reference. I have it in my sent message, and it is grouped with messages(responses) that were sent by Accessd members. I have some in my inbox as well. Maybe, as was suggested, it's a gmail "thing".... On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 5:41 PM, John W Colby wrote: > Wellll.... I am not sure what the issue is. T%he messages are getting to > AccessD so it is my end that is the problem. > > > Or perhaps I am just getting so old..... > > I'm joining the 'move the deer crossing' movement. > > http://www.youtube-nocookie.**com/embed/CI8UPHMzZm8?rel=0 > > John W. Colby > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > > On 2/7/2013 5:16 PM, John Bartow wrote: > >> Hi John, >> I checked and there are no pending moderator requests for AccessD >> >> Bryan is the one to take it to from here. >> John B >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com] >> On Behalf Of John Colby >> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 2:58 PM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages >> >> I am still not seeing two messages I wrote re the form and the class, >> explaining the code in each. I wrote them to AccessD and I am getting >> other >> emails that I have sent to AccessD so I am confused. >> >> Has anyone else seen three medium long emails on the subject of a class >> and >> form to handle double click events of a text box? I am writing them >> straight from my browser now and they show as sent in GMail. >> >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Feb 7 19:31:05 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 17:31:05 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages In-Reply-To: <79D516B753BD410188EB5B1854D8648A@jamesc319792ae> References: <79D516B753BD410188EB5B1854D8648A@jamesc319792ae> Message-ID: <758BD57173CA4E4CBA5E2D460D515AD9@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi JimB: It might be well worth your while to start taking care of your own mail services as GMail by definition is slow. There is the reliable Pegasus Mail (http://www.pmail.com/), the Firefox Mozilla Thunderbird (http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/) and finally Zimba (the OSS version... (http://www.zimbra.com/products/zimbra-open-source.html) Then you can just get your ISP to direct your mail to your new mail server, Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 1:50 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages Follow-up to my earlier response- It's been over 30 minutes, and I still haven't seen the message I posted, although I did get the following 'Ack' JimB ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 9:05 PM Subject: AccessD post acknowledgement > Your message entitled > > Re: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages > > was successfully received by the AccessD mailing list. > > List info page: http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Your preferences: > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/options/accessd/jamesbutton%40blueyonder .co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Colby" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 8:57 PM Subject: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages >I am still not seeing two messages I wrote re the form and the class, > explaining the code in each. I wrote them to AccessD and I am getting > other > emails that I have sent to AccessD so I am confused. > > Has anyone else seen three medium long emails on the subject of a class > and > form to handle double click events of a text box? I am writing them > straight from my browser now and they show as sent in GMail. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Thu Feb 7 19:49:19 2013 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 19:49:19 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages In-Reply-To: <51142D90.5070707@gmail.com> References: <007e01ce0580$d014f430$703edc90$@winhaven.net> <51142D90.5070707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00b901ce059e$82e57310$88b05930$@winhaven.net> I haven't seen them come through. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 4:41 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages Wellll.... I am not sure what the issue is. T%he messages are getting to AccessD so it is my end that is the problem. Or perhaps I am just getting so old..... I'm joining the 'move the deer crossing' movement. http://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/CI8UPHMzZm8?rel=0 John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/7/2013 5:16 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Hi John, > I checked and there are no pending moderator requests for AccessD > > Bryan is the one to take it to from here. > John B > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 2:58 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages > > I am still not seeing two messages I wrote re the form and the class, > explaining the code in each. I wrote them to AccessD and I am getting other > emails that I have sent to AccessD so I am confused. > > Has anyone else seen three medium long emails on the subject of a class and > form to handle double click events of a text box? I am writing them > straight from my browser now and they show as sent in GMail. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 19:55:41 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 17:55:41 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages In-Reply-To: <51142D90.5070707@gmail.com> References: <007e01ce0580$d014f430$703edc90$@winhaven.net> <51142D90.5070707@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hey, she stole my idea!! I've been yelling about deer crossings for years! Deer are really cavalier about those crossings too. Do they check for cars first? NOoooo! They just hoof it across assuming the drivers will notice the signs. Charlotte On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 2:41 PM, John W Colby wrote: > Wellll.... I am not sure what the issue is. T%he messages are getting to > AccessD so it is my end that is the problem. > > > Or perhaps I am just getting so old..... > > I'm joining the 'move the deer crossing' movement. > > http://www.youtube-nocookie.**com/embed/CI8UPHMzZm8?rel=0 > > John W. Colby > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > > On 2/7/2013 5:16 PM, John Bartow wrote: > >> Hi John, >> I checked and there are no pending moderator requests for AccessD >> >> Bryan is the one to take it to from here. >> John B >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com] >> On Behalf Of John Colby >> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 2:58 PM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages >> >> I am still not seeing two messages I wrote re the form and the class, >> explaining the code in each. I wrote them to AccessD and I am getting >> other >> emails that I have sent to AccessD so I am confused. >> >> Has anyone else seen three medium long emails on the subject of a class >> and >> form to handle double click events of a text box? I am writing them >> straight from my browser now and they show as sent in GMail. >> >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From jwcolby at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 21:41:34 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 22:41:34 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft's information - Custom Classes and Objects Message-ID: <511473EE.1030007@gmail.com> This is actually quite good if a bit disjointed. I find the format hard to navigate or stay on track with. YMMV of course. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/aa140954(v=office.10).aspx I am going to write a more "down home" blog on the subject, complete with example code and stuff. The nice thing about my blog is that you can go there, make comments and get your questions answered and the questions folded back in to the content. I already have a bunch of stuff written so I will be publishing that over the coming weeks. It is requiring some heavy editing however so it will take a little time. http://jwcolby.blogspot.com/ -- John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Thu Feb 7 22:13:19 2013 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 04:13:19 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft's information - Custom Classes and Objects In-Reply-To: <511473EE.1030007@gmail.com> References: <511473EE.1030007@gmail.com> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B53441408A@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Bloody brilliant. Many thanks for this John - you are the VBA Classes guru and it would be a wonderful thing to share your knowledge, experience and understanding with us. Cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby Sent: Friday, 8 February 2013 2:42 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft's information - Custom Classes and Objects This is actually quite good if a bit disjointed. I find the format hard to navigate or stay on track with. YMMV of course. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/aa140954(v=office.10).aspx I am going to write a more "down home" blog on the subject, complete with example code and stuff. The nice thing about my blog is that you can go there, make comments and get your questions answered and the questions folded back in to the content. I already have a bunch of stuff written so I will be publishing that over the coming weeks. It is requiring some heavy editing however so it will take a little time. http://jwcolby.blogspot.com/ -- John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Fri Feb 8 00:01:56 2013 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 00:01:56 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages In-Reply-To: References: <007e01ce0580$d014f430$703edc90$@winhaven.net> <51142D90.5070707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00e001ce05c1$ccfeca00$66fc5e00$@winhaven.net> We have deer that cross main st here every night. No deer crossing sign. They do look up the road as if they're looking for traffic before crossing! -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 7:56 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages Hey, she stole my idea!! I've been yelling about deer crossings for years! Deer are really cavalier about those crossings too. Do they check for cars first? NOoooo! They just hoof it across assuming the drivers will notice the signs. Charlotte On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 2:41 PM, John W Colby wrote: > Wellll.... I am not sure what the issue is. T%he messages are getting > to AccessD so it is my end that is the problem. > > > Or perhaps I am just getting so old..... > > I'm joining the 'move the deer crossing' movement. > > http://www.youtube-nocookie.**com/embed/CI8UPHMzZm8?rel=0 outube-nocookie.com/embed/CI8UPHMzZm8?rel=0> > > John W. Colby > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > > On 2/7/2013 5:16 PM, John Bartow wrote: > >> Hi John, >> I checked and there are no pending moderator requests for AccessD >> >> Bryan is the one to take it to from here. >> John B >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: >> accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com> rs.com> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com> seadvisors.com>] >> On Behalf Of John Colby >> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 2:58 PM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages >> >> I am still not seeing two messages I wrote re the form and the class, >> explaining the code in each. I wrote them to AccessD and I am getting >> other emails that I have sent to AccessD so I am confused. >> >> Has anyone else seen three medium long emails on the subject of a >> class and form to handle double click events of a text box? I am >> writing them straight from my browser now and they show as sent in >> GMail. >> >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd> eadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> >> Website: >> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd advisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> > Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Fri Feb 8 00:12:17 2013 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 06:12:17 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages In-Reply-To: <00e001ce05c1$ccfeca00$66fc5e00$@winhaven.net> References: <007e01ce0580$d014f430$703edc90$@winhaven.net> <51142D90.5070707@gmail.com> <00e001ce05c1$ccfeca00$66fc5e00$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534414151@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Can't imagine hitting a deer in a car at speed would be much fun. I know how much damage a Kangaroo can do... Kangaroos are silly things, often jumping out in front of the car rather than hopping back away from the road. Hmmmmm... -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Friday, 8 February 2013 5:02 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages We have deer that cross main st here every night. No deer crossing sign. They do look up the road as if they're looking for traffic before crossing! -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 7:56 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages Hey, she stole my idea!! I've been yelling about deer crossings for years! Deer are really cavalier about those crossings too. Do they check for cars first? NOoooo! They just hoof it across assuming the drivers will notice the signs. Charlotte On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 2:41 PM, John W Colby wrote: > Wellll.... I am not sure what the issue is. T%he messages are getting > to AccessD so it is my end that is the problem. > > > Or perhaps I am just getting so old..... > > I'm joining the 'move the deer crossing' movement. > > http://www.youtube-nocookie.**com/embed/CI8UPHMzZm8?rel=0 outube-nocookie.com/embed/CI8UPHMzZm8?rel=0> > > John W. Colby > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > > On 2/7/2013 5:16 PM, John Bartow wrote: > >> Hi John, >> I checked and there are no pending moderator requests for AccessD >> >> Bryan is the one to take it to from here. >> John B >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: >> accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com> rs.com> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com> seadvisors.com>] >> On Behalf Of John Colby >> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 2:58 PM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages >> >> I am still not seeing two messages I wrote re the form and the class, >> explaining the code in each. I wrote them to AccessD and I am getting >> other emails that I have sent to AccessD so I am confused. >> >> Has anyone else seen three medium long emails on the subject of a >> class and form to handle double click events of a text box? I am >> writing them straight from my browser now and they show as sent in >> GMail. >> >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd> eadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> >> Website: >> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd advisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> > Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Fri Feb 8 00:38:06 2013 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 00:38:06 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534414151@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <007e01ce0580$d014f430$703edc90$@winhaven.net> <51142D90.5070707@gmail.com> <00e001ce05c1$ccfeca00$66fc5e00$@winhaven.net> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534414151@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <00e201ce05c6$da5c2b20$8f148160$@winhaven.net> I hit one with my truck last February. It was standing parallel with and against a concrete barrier in the center of the interstate highway. I couldn't see it until it turned its head. Talk about silly - instead of letting me go by it decided to run across in front of me. It made it exactly 4 feet and its head met my headlight. Very little damage. But if it had made it 4 more feet it would've been $1000s of dollars' worth of damage. Didn't matter to the deer. It was dead either way. How big do kangaroos get? On TV they look bigger than the average deer (150 lbs.) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 12:12 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages Can't imagine hitting a deer in a car at speed would be much fun. I know how much damage a Kangaroo can do... Kangaroos are silly things, often jumping out in front of the car rather than hopping back away from the road. Hmmmmm... -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Friday, 8 February 2013 5:02 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages We have deer that cross main st here every night. No deer crossing sign. They do look up the road as if they're looking for traffic before crossing! -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 7:56 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages Hey, she stole my idea!! I've been yelling about deer crossings for years! Deer are really cavalier about those crossings too. Do they check for cars first? NOoooo! They just hoof it across assuming the drivers will notice the signs. Charlotte On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 2:41 PM, John W Colby wrote: > Wellll.... I am not sure what the issue is. T%he messages are getting > to AccessD so it is my end that is the problem. > > > Or perhaps I am just getting so old..... > > I'm joining the 'move the deer crossing' movement. > > http://www.youtube-nocookie.**com/embed/CI8UPHMzZm8?rel=0 outube-nocookie.com/embed/CI8UPHMzZm8?rel=0> > > John W. Colby > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > > On 2/7/2013 5:16 PM, John Bartow wrote: > >> Hi John, >> I checked and there are no pending moderator requests for AccessD >> >> Bryan is the one to take it to from here. >> John B >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: >> accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com> rs.com> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com> seadvisors.com>] >> On Behalf Of John Colby >> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 2:58 PM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages >> >> I am still not seeing two messages I wrote re the form and the class, >> explaining the code in each. I wrote them to AccessD and I am getting >> other emails that I have sent to AccessD so I am confused. >> >> Has anyone else seen three medium long emails on the subject of a >> class and form to handle double click events of a text box? I am >> writing them straight from my browser now and they show as sent in >> GMail. >> >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd> eadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> >> Website: >> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd advisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> > Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Fri Feb 8 00:45:43 2013 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 06:45:43 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages In-Reply-To: <00e201ce05c6$da5c2b20$8f148160$@winhaven.net> References: <007e01ce0580$d014f430$703edc90$@winhaven.net> <51142D90.5070707@gmail.com> <00e001ce05c1$ccfeca00$66fc5e00$@winhaven.net> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534414151@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <00e201ce05c6$da5c2b20$8f148160$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5344141CE@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Aaaah, Kangaroos (like deer I imagine) come in many varieties. However the big 'uns are big. From Wikipedia (edited to keep it on topic). The 'Big Red' is a very large kangaroo with long, pointed ears and a squared-off muzzle. The red kangaroo's legs work much like a rubber band. The males can leap over 9 m (30 ft) in one leap.[3] Males grow up to a head-and-body length of 1.3-1.6 m (4.3-5.2 ft) with a tail that adds a further 1-1.2 m (3.3-3.9 ft) to the total length. Females are considerably smaller, with a head-and-body length of 85-105 cm (33-41 in) and tail length of 65-85 cm (26-33 in).[4][5] Females can weigh from 18 to 40 kg (40 to 88 lb), while males typically weigh around twice as much at 55 to 85 kg (120 to 190 lb).[5][6] The average red kangaroo stands approximately 1.5 m (4.9 ft) tall to the top of the head in upright posture.[7] Large mature males can stand more than 1.8 m (5.9 ft) tall, with the largest confirmed one having been around 2.1 m (6.9 ft) tall and weighed 91 kg (200 lb).[6] Accounts of sizes greater than this are not uncommon, with some reportedly reaching a weight of approximately 150 kg (330 lb). But a lot of them are smaller than that. And then you have wallabies, which look just like Kangaroos, only smaller in size. Probably at least half the size and smaller. Despite what you see on TV, you never see Kangaroos in the major cities, although you might in the outer suburbs. Most tourist first see them as road kill on the side of the road, but if you stick around at dawn or dusk in the country you will see lots of them. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Friday, 8 February 2013 5:38 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages I hit one with my truck last February. It was standing parallel with and against a concrete barrier in the center of the interstate highway. I couldn't see it until it turned its head. Talk about silly - instead of letting me go by it decided to run across in front of me. It made it exactly 4 feet and its head met my headlight. Very little damage. But if it had made it 4 more feet it would've been $1000s of dollars' worth of damage. Didn't matter to the deer. It was dead either way. How big do kangaroos get? On TV they look bigger than the average deer (150 lbs.) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 12:12 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages Can't imagine hitting a deer in a car at speed would be much fun. I know how much damage a Kangaroo can do... Kangaroos are silly things, often jumping out in front of the car rather than hopping back away from the road. Hmmmmm... -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Friday, 8 February 2013 5:02 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages We have deer that cross main st here every night. No deer crossing sign. They do look up the road as if they're looking for traffic before crossing! -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 7:56 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages Hey, she stole my idea!! I've been yelling about deer crossings for years! Deer are really cavalier about those crossings too. Do they check for cars first? NOoooo! They just hoof it across assuming the drivers will notice the signs. Charlotte On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 2:41 PM, John W Colby wrote: > Wellll.... I am not sure what the issue is. T%he messages are getting > to AccessD so it is my end that is the problem. > > > Or perhaps I am just getting so old..... > > I'm joining the 'move the deer crossing' movement. > > http://www.youtube-nocookie.**com/embed/CI8UPHMzZm8?rel=0 outube-nocookie.com/embed/CI8UPHMzZm8?rel=0> > > John W. Colby > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > > On 2/7/2013 5:16 PM, John Bartow wrote: > >> Hi John, >> I checked and there are no pending moderator requests for AccessD >> >> Bryan is the one to take it to from here. >> John B >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: >> accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com> rs.com> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com> seadvisors.com>] >> On Behalf Of John Colby >> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 2:58 PM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages >> >> I am still not seeing two messages I wrote re the form and the class, >> explaining the code in each. I wrote them to AccessD and I am getting >> other emails that I have sent to AccessD so I am confused. >> >> Has anyone else seen three medium long emails on the subject of a >> class and form to handle double click events of a text box? I am >> writing them straight from my browser now and they show as sent in >> GMail. >> >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd> eadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> >> Website: >> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd advisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> > Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Feb 8 04:51:41 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 11:51:41 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] A2012 Ribbon collapse (not hide) from code Message-ID: <00b601ce05ea$47434480$d5c9cd80$@cactus.dk> Hi all Is this possible? It's easy to _hide_ , but how to collapse (or minimize)? Also, client is not interested in custom ribbons; the default is fine. /gustav From jwcolby at gmail.com Fri Feb 8 05:36:47 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 06:36:47 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5344141CE@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <007e01ce0580$d014f430$703edc90$@winhaven.net> <51142D90.5070707@gmail.com> <00e001ce05c1$ccfeca00$66fc5e00$@winhaven.net> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534414151@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <00e201ce05c6$da5c2b20$8f148160$@winhaven.net> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5344141CE@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <5114E34F.4050102@gmail.com> This is too weird. I am getting some but not all of the messages. For example I did not get Darryl's message but I got the ones on either side of it. It has to be gmail and thunderbird 'deciding' which to display to me. Sigh. How about ALL OF THEM? John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/8/2013 1:45 AM, Darryl Collins wrote: > Aaaah, Kangaroos (like deer I imagine) come in many varieties. However the big 'uns are big. From Wikipedia (edited to keep it on topic). > > The 'Big Red' is a very large kangaroo with long, pointed ears and a squared-off muzzle. The red kangaroo's legs work much like a rubber band. The males can leap over 9 m (30 ft) in one leap.[3] > > Males grow up to a head-and-body length of 1.3-1.6 m (4.3-5.2 ft) with a tail that adds a further 1-1.2 m (3.3-3.9 ft) to the total length. Females are considerably smaller, with a head-and-body length of 85-105 cm (33-41 in) and tail length of 65-85 cm (26-33 in).[4][5] Females can weigh from 18 to 40 kg (40 to 88 lb), while males typically weigh around twice as much at 55 to 85 kg (120 to 190 lb).[5][6] The average red kangaroo stands approximately 1.5 m (4.9 ft) tall to the top of the head in upright posture.[7] Large mature males can stand more than 1.8 m (5.9 ft) tall, with the largest confirmed one having been around 2.1 m (6.9 ft) tall and weighed 91 kg (200 lb).[6] Accounts of sizes greater than this are not uncommon, with some reportedly reaching a weight of approximately 150 kg (330 lb). > > But a lot of them are smaller than that. And then you have wallabies, which look just like Kangaroos, only smaller in size. Probably at least half the size and smaller. > > Despite what you see on TV, you never see Kangaroos in the major cities, although you might in the outer suburbs. Most tourist first see them as road kill on the side of the road, but if you stick around at dawn or dusk in the country you will see lots of them. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Friday, 8 February 2013 5:38 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages > > I hit one with my truck last February. It was standing parallel with and against a concrete barrier in the center of the interstate highway. I couldn't see it until it turned its head. Talk about silly - instead of letting me go by it decided to run across in front of me. It made it exactly > 4 feet and its head met my headlight. Very little damage. But if it had made it 4 more feet it would've been $1000s of dollars' worth of damage. Didn't matter to the deer. It was dead either way. > > How big do kangaroos get? On TV they look bigger than the average deer (150 > lbs.) > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 12:12 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages > > Can't imagine hitting a deer in a car at speed would be much fun. I know how much damage a Kangaroo can do... Kangaroos are silly things, often jumping out in front of the car rather than hopping back away from the road. > Hmmmmm... > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Friday, 8 February 2013 5:02 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages > > We have deer that cross main st here every night. No deer crossing sign. > They do look up the road as if they're looking for traffic before crossing! > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 7:56 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages > > Hey, she stole my idea!! I've been yelling about deer crossings for years! > Deer are really cavalier about those crossings too. Do they check for cars first? NOoooo! They just hoof it across assuming the drivers will notice the signs. > > Charlotte > > On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 2:41 PM, John W Colby wrote: > >> Wellll.... I am not sure what the issue is. T%he messages are getting >> to AccessD so it is my end that is the problem. >> >> >> Or perhaps I am just getting so old..... >> >> I'm joining the 'move the deer crossing' movement. >> >> http://www.youtube-nocookie.**com/embed/CI8UPHMzZm8?rel=0> outube-nocookie.com/embed/CI8UPHMzZm8?rel=0> >> >> John W. Colby >> >> Reality is what refuses to go away >> when you do not believe in it >> >> >> On 2/7/2013 5:16 PM, John Bartow wrote: >> >>> Hi John, >>> I checked and there are no pending moderator requests for AccessD >>> >>> Bryan is the one to take it to from here. >>> John B >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: >>> accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com>> rs.com> >>> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com>> seadvisors.com>] >>> On Behalf Of John Colby >>> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 2:58 PM >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>> Subject: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages >>> >>> I am still not seeing two messages I wrote re the form and the class, >>> explaining the code in each. I wrote them to AccessD and I am getting >>> other emails that I have sent to AccessD so I am confused. >>> >>> Has anyone else seen three medium long emails on the subject of a >>> class and form to handle double click events of a text box? I am >>> writing them straight from my browser now and they show as sent in >>> GMail. >>> >>> John W. Colby >>> Colby Consulting >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd>> eadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> >>> Website: >>> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >>> >>> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd> advisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> >> Website: >> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Feb 8 06:00:12 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 22:00:12 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] A2012 Ribbon collapse (not hide) from code In-Reply-To: <00b601ce05ea$47434480$d5c9cd80$@cactus.dk> References: <00b601ce05ea$47434480$d5c9cd80$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <5114E8CC.30210.25D28D0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> 2007/10 I'm guessing it will work in 2012: A real kludge, but I've never found an alternative. If CommandBars("ribbon").Height > 100 Then SendKeys "^{F1}", True End If -- Stuart On 8 Feb 2013 at 11:51, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi all > > Is this possible? It's easy to _hide_ , but how to collapse (or minimize)? > Also, client is not interested in custom ribbons; the default is fine. > > /gustav > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Feb 8 06:06:00 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 22:06:00 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] A2012 Ribbon collapse (not hide) from code In-Reply-To: <5114E8CC.30210.25D28D0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <00b601ce05ea$47434480$d5c9cd80$@cactus.dk>, <5114E8CC.30210.25D28D0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <5114EA28.1392.2627837@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Just discovered, Access 2010: CommandBars.ExecuteMso "MinimizeRibbon" -- Stuart On 8 Feb 2013 at 22:00, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > 2007/10 I'm guessing it will work in 2012: > > A real kludge, but I've never found an alternative. > > If CommandBars("ribbon").Height > 100 Then > SendKeys "^{F1}", True > End If > > -- > Stuart > > On 8 Feb 2013 at 11:51, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > Hi all > > > > Is this possible? It's easy to _hide_ , but how to collapse (or minimize)? > > Also, client is not interested in custom ribbons; the default is fine. > > > > /gustav > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com Fri Feb 8 06:23:52 2013 From: davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com (David A Gibson) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 06:23:52 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages In-Reply-To: <00e201ce05c6$da5c2b20$8f148160$@winhaven.net> References: <007e01ce0580$d014f430$703edc90$@winhaven.net> <51142D90.5070707@gmail.com> <00e001ce05c1$ccfeca00$66fc5e00$@winhaven.net> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534414151@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <00e201ce05c6$da5c2b20$8f148160$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <00e301ce05f7$28883840$7998a8c0$@gmail.com> My sister-in-law hit a deer in her Nissan Altima on the interstate in LA.. Killed the deer and the car. David Gibson -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 12:38 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages I hit one with my truck last February. It was standing parallel with and against a concrete barrier in the center of the interstate highway. I couldn't see it until it turned its head. Talk about silly - instead of letting me go by it decided to run across in front of me. It made it exactly 4 feet and its head met my headlight. Very little damage. But if it had made it 4 more feet it would've been $1000s of dollars' worth of damage. Didn't matter to the deer. It was dead either way. How big do kangaroos get? On TV they look bigger than the average deer (150 lbs.) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 12:12 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages Can't imagine hitting a deer in a car at speed would be much fun. I know how much damage a Kangaroo can do... Kangaroos are silly things, often jumping out in front of the car rather than hopping back away from the road. Hmmmmm... -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Friday, 8 February 2013 5:02 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages We have deer that cross main st here every night. No deer crossing sign. They do look up the road as if they're looking for traffic before crossing! -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 7:56 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages Hey, she stole my idea!! I've been yelling about deer crossings for years! Deer are really cavalier about those crossings too. Do they check for cars first? NOoooo! They just hoof it across assuming the drivers will notice the signs. Charlotte On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 2:41 PM, John W Colby wrote: > Wellll.... I am not sure what the issue is. T%he messages are getting > to AccessD so it is my end that is the problem. > > > Or perhaps I am just getting so old..... > > I'm joining the 'move the deer crossing' movement. > > http://www.youtube-nocookie.**com/embed/CI8UPHMzZm8?rel=0 outube-nocookie.com/embed/CI8UPHMzZm8?rel=0> > > John W. Colby > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > > On 2/7/2013 5:16 PM, John Bartow wrote: > >> Hi John, >> I checked and there are no pending moderator requests for AccessD >> >> Bryan is the one to take it to from here. >> John B >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: >> accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com> rs.com> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com> seadvisors.com>] >> On Behalf Of John Colby >> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 2:58 PM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages >> >> I am still not seeing two messages I wrote re the form and the class, >> explaining the code in each. I wrote them to AccessD and I am getting >> other emails that I have sent to AccessD so I am confused. >> >> Has anyone else seen three medium long emails on the subject of a >> class and form to handle double click events of a text box? I am >> writing them straight from my browser now and they show as sent in >> GMail. >> >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd> eadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> >> Website: >> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd advisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> > Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Feb 8 06:39:19 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 13:39:19 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] A2012 Ribbon collapse (not hide) from code Message-ID: <00e401ce05f9$508126c0$f1837440$@cactus.dk> Hi Stuart Thanks. So did I. Searched for minimize instead of collapse and found by Albert D. Kallal: http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/accessdev/thread/f8e6397f-fb63 -4508-a64c-5119303dce31 Now, the big question is how to maximize it when minimized?? This is where the intuitive part comes in. I tried, of course, with all the obvious variations - then returned to the thread and browsed to the bottom: If I use the same line of code to hide the ribbon in the OnClose property, the ribbon is restored. Not completely intuitive, I think, that minimizing something that's minimized results in something maximized. You gotta love that kind of logic. Time for Friday beer and weekend. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Stuart McLachlan Sendt: 8. februar 2013 13:06 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] A2012 Ribbon collapse (not hide) from code Just discovered, Access 2010: CommandBars.ExecuteMso "MinimizeRibbon" -- Stuart On 8 Feb 2013 at 22:00, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > 2007/10 I'm guessing it will work in 2012: > > A real kludge, but I've never found an alternative. > > If CommandBars("ribbon").Height > 100 Then SendKeys "^{F1}", True End > If > > -- > Stuart > > On 8 Feb 2013 at 11:51, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > Hi all > > > > Is this possible? It's easy to _hide_ , but how to collapse (or minimize)? > > Also, client is not interested in custom ribbons; the default is fine. > > > > /gustav From jackandpat.d at gmail.com Fri Feb 8 06:41:19 2013 From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 07:41:19 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft's information - Custom Classes and Objects In-Reply-To: <511473EE.1030007@gmail.com> References: <511473EE.1030007@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you John - excellent. On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 10:41 PM, John W Colby wrote: > This is actually quite good if a bit disjointed. I find the format hard > to navigate or stay on track with. YMMV of course. > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-**us/library/office/aa140954(v=** > office.10).aspx > > I am going to write a more "down home" blog on the subject, complete with > example code and stuff. The nice thing about my blog is that you can go > there, make comments and get your questions answered and the questions > folded back in to the content. > > I already have a bunch of stuff written so I will be publishing that over > the coming weeks. It is requiring some heavy editing however so it will > take a little time. > > http://jwcolby.blogspot.com/ > > > > -- > John W. Colby > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Feb 8 08:36:12 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2013 00:36:12 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] A2012 Ribbon collapse (not hide) from code In-Reply-To: <00e401ce05f9$508126c0$f1837440$@cactus.dk> References: <00e401ce05f9$508126c0$f1837440$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <51150D5C.26288.2EBFAF0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> The other interesting snippet is in Access 2010 VBA Help: CommandBars.ExecuteMso Method " Note The Microsoft Office Assistant has been deprecated in the 2007 release of the Microsoft Office system And yet they introduced this ExexuteMSO parameter in Access 2010. WTF? -- Stuart On 8 Feb 2013 at 13:39, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Stuart > > Thanks. So did I. Searched for minimize instead of collapse and found by > Albert D. Kallal: > > http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/accessdev/thread/f8e6397f-fb63 > -4508-a64c-5119303dce31 > > Now, the big question is how to maximize it when minimized?? > This is where the intuitive part comes in. I tried, of course, with all the > obvious variations - then returned to the thread and browsed to the bottom: > > > If I use the same line of code to hide the ribbon in the OnClose property, > the ribbon is restored. Not completely intuitive, I think, that minimizing > something that's minimized results in something maximized. > > > You gotta love that kind of logic. > Time for Friday beer and weekend. > > /gustav > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Stuart McLachlan > Sendt: 8. februar 2013 13:06 > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Emne: Re: [AccessD] A2012 Ribbon collapse (not hide) from code > > Just discovered, Access 2010: > > CommandBars.ExecuteMso "MinimizeRibbon" > > -- > Stuart > > On 8 Feb 2013 at 22:00, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > > > 2007/10 I'm guessing it will work in 2012: > > > > A real kludge, but I've never found an alternative. > > > > If CommandBars("ribbon").Height > 100 Then SendKeys "^{F1}", True End > > If > > > > -- > > Stuart > > > > On 8 Feb 2013 at 11:51, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > > > Hi all > > > > > > Is this possible? It's easy to _hide_ , but how to collapse (or > minimize)? > > > Also, client is not interested in custom ribbons; the default is fine. > > > > > > /gustav > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Feb 8 10:32:38 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 17:32:38 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] A2012 Ribbon collapse (not hide) from code Message-ID: <011c01ce0619$e86475d0$b92d6170$@cactus.dk> Hi Stuart That is indeed strange. I cannot explain. Now, for anyone to use, here is a simple function that will collapse, enable ("un-collapse"), or toggle the collapsing of the ribbon: Public Function EnableRibbon(Optional ByVal varEnable As Variant) As Boolean ' Set or toggle if the Ribbon should be collapsed or enabled. ' ' 2013-02-08. Cactus Data ApS, CPH. ' ' Can be used with AutoExec macro to minimize the Ribbon at launch: ' EnableRibbon(False) ' Height of Ribbon when enabled: 141 ' Height of Ribbon when collapsed: 53 Const clngRibbonHeight As Long = 97 Const cstrRibbonName As String = "Ribbon" Dim booEnabled As Boolean ' Continue on error and toggle the collapsing of the Ribbon. On Error Resume Next ' Make the Ribbon visible as a hidden ribbon cannot be controlled. DoCmd.ShowToolbar cstrRibbonName, acToolbarYes ' Measure if the Ribbon is collapsed or enabled. booEnabled = (Application.CommandBars(cstrRibbonName).Height > clngRibbonHeight) If IsMissing(varEnable) Or (booEnabled Xor CBool(varEnable)) Then ' Toggle the collapsing of the Ribbon. CommandBars.ExecuteMso "MinimizeRibbon" booEnabled = Not booEnabled End If ' Return the current state of the Ribbon. EnableRibbon = booEnabled End Function /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Stuart McLachlan Sendt: 8. februar 2013 15:36 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] A2012 Ribbon collapse (not hide) from code The other interesting snippet is in Access 2010 VBA Help: CommandBars.ExecuteMso Method " Note The Microsoft Office Assistant has been deprecated in the 2007 release of the Microsoft Office system And yet they introduced this ExexuteMSO parameter in Access 2010. WTF? -- Stuart On 8 Feb 2013 at 13:39, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Stuart > > Thanks. So did I. Searched for minimize instead of collapse and found by Albert D. Kallal: > > http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/accessdev/thread/f8e6397f-fb63 -4508-a64c-5119303dce31 > > Now, the big question is how to maximize it when minimized?? > This is where the intuitive part comes in. I tried, of course, with > all the obvious variations - then returned to the thread and browsed to the bottom: > > > If I use the same line of code to hide the ribbon in the OnClose > property, the ribbon is restored. Not completely intuitive, I think, > that minimizing something that's minimized results in something maximized. > > > You gotta love that kind of logic. > Time for Friday beer and weekend. > > /gustav > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Stuart > McLachlan > Sendt: 8. februar 2013 13:06 > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Emne: Re: [AccessD] A2012 Ribbon collapse (not hide) from code > > Just discovered, Access 2010: > > CommandBars.ExecuteMso "MinimizeRibbon" > > -- > Stuart > > On 8 Feb 2013 at 22:00, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > > > 2007/10 I'm guessing it will work in 2012: > > > > A real kludge, but I've never found an alternative. > > > > If CommandBars("ribbon").Height > 100 Then SendKeys "^{F1}", True > > End If > > > > -- > > Stuart > > > > On 8 Feb 2013 at 11:51, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > > > Hi all > > > > > > Is this possible? It's easy to _hide_ , but how to collapse (or minimize)? > > > Also, client is not interested in custom ribbons; the default is fine. > > > > > > /gustav From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Feb 8 11:36:02 2013 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 11:36:02 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Doin the class thing - the form side In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here's one. On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 1:08 PM, John Colby wrote: > I never received this back from AccessD so I do not know if it was ever > received by you guys. If so just read it again. ;) > > The code for the form's class is simple. In the form's header we create an > instance of the class for every text box we want to handle. Notice that I > already have a disclaimer that this is the 'quick and dirty' way of doing > things. This works but there is a better way which we will discuss once > you have absorbed this method. > > ' > 'The quick and dirty way to do this > ' > Private cDNDTxt2 As clsDNDText > Private cDNDTxt4 As clsDNDText > Private cDNDTxt6 As clsDNDText > > In the form's Open event we initialize each of the instances of this class, > setting the pointer to each instance using the new keyword and then passing > in a pointer to one of the text boxes in the mInit method. > > Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer) > Set cDNDTxt2 = New clsDNDText > cDNDTxt2.mInit Text2 > > Set cDNDTxt4 = New clsDNDText > cDNDTxt4.mInit Text4 > > Set cDNDTxt6 = New clsDNDText > cDNDTxt6.mInit Text6 > > End Sub > > and finally, not included in the original post we want to cleanup in the > form's close event > > Private Sub Form_Close() > Set cDNDTxt2 = Nothing > Set cDNDTxt4 = Nothing > Set cDNDTxt6 = Nothing > End Sub > > How much simpler can it be? > > Let's discuss this and then we can move on to the next step. > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Feb 8 11:36:30 2013 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 11:36:30 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Doin the class thing - the class side. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here's another. On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 1:10 PM, John Colby wrote: > OK, let's discuss what is going on. > > clsDNDText is a class which I call an object wrapper. It wraps an access > object (a text box in this case) and then uses event sinks to service the > events of the wrapped object. So this class wraps a text box. Notice in > the header of the class the line: > > Private WithEvents mtxt As TextBox > > This dimensions a text box variable private (cannot be seen outside of the > class) and informs VBA that the class will be sinking events (the > WithEvents keyword). > > Next we have a constant which holds the text "[Event Procedure]" > > Private Const cEvProc As String = "[Event Procedure]" > > It is good programming practice to as much as possible have a class self > contained, not depending on outside resources to perform its function. > > Next we have termination code. When a class unloads it calls its terminate > event if one exists. In this case it simply "unhooks" the text box, > setting the pointer to nothing. We do that because it is possible to > prevent a form from closing when objects on the form have pointers to them > that are not cleaned up. > > Private Sub Class_Terminate() > Set mtxt = Nothing > End Sub > > We then have an Init function which is public, and allows us to pass in a > pointer to a text box. mInit then stores that pointer in our class header. > This allows the class to sink any and all events for the passed in object > (text box). Notice that we immediately place the cEvProc into the > OnDblClick property of the text box. It is a little known fact that it is > the very existence of that text in the property that causes VBA to start > raising events for the object. By specifically placing that code in that > property in our code, we do not need the developer to double click the > property for us. In this case we have only hooked the OnDblClick event > however we could add others by adding a similar line of code for other > events. > > Function mInit(ltxt As TextBox) > Set mtxt = ltxt > mtxt.OnDblClick = cEvProc > End Function > > And finally, the guts of the thing, the very reason for doing all this, we > have the event sink itself. This code is entered when the event fires for > the specific text box which this class instance wraps. IOW if we have > several instances of this class, one for TextBox 2, TextBox4 and TextBox6, > then when you double click in TextBox4, the event in the instance servicing > that text box will sink the event and do something with it. In this case I > am simply poppigg up a message box to display the name of the control. > > Private Sub mtxt_DblClick(Cancel As Integer) > 'Do something here > MsgBox mtxt.Name & ".DblClick" > End Sub > > John W. Colby > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From jbodin at sbor.com Fri Feb 8 12:58:29 2013 From: jbodin at sbor.com (John Bodin) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 13:58:29 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 120, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00bb01ce062e$4972b6c0$dc582440$@sbor.com> Thanks Jack. In that thread, there was a link to a download of a Seat Reservation Demo that had a generic function MakeFunctionCall() that showed a more functional way of building an event procedure call to assign to say OnClick or OnMouseMove events. That's better than my direct coding (similar to what Stuart was referencing in his response to me) and allows for a clean way to build a parameter list. Appreciate it. John Message: 18 Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 15:01:03 -0500 From: jack drawbridge To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Generic Procedure on form controls for Drag and Drop Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 John, Read this thread and see if it helps http://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=166799 Funny I asked for a book reference on Event Procedures yesterday and got no responses. I found this link after some searching. Good luck. jack On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 1:55 PM, John Bodin wrote: > Hello, > > > > New to this list and need some guidance on a form I've developed (I posted > this on LinkedIn and got a few links with good information, but still > having > issues). > > > > I have a grid of many text boxes on a form in an Access 2003 app that I > fill > from a table upon opening the form as well as when the user changes a date > box. I add some generic procedure calls on the fly to each text box where I > pass the control to the generic function (for instance, I'll add a > double-click event to text box "Txt101" as "=TxtBoxDblClick([Txt101])". > This > will pass the control to my function TxtBoxDblClick so I can react to it.) > This all works fine for all text boxes and I reference just one (same) > routine for each control. > > I'm trying to experiment with Drag and Drop and found some code that I can > get to work if at Design time, I add three event procedures to a text box > control (Mouse Down/Up/Move). If I do this to two different controls, > creating 3 event procedures for each at design time, I can successfully > drag > and drop between the two controls. So the drag and drop code looks like it > works. > > My problem is, I want to have 3 generic routines like my TxtBoxDblClick > function, that I can add on the fly to the On Mouse Down/Up/Move events and > I can't figure out the syntax and/or code to make this happen. I can add > the > custom Functions no problem, but I know I need to be able to deal with the > Button, Shift, X & Y parameters somehow. I can pass the control to the > custom function, but am unable to reference the Button, Shift, X & Y > parameters. I'm guessing I'll need to create some type of class possibly? > If > so, can someone provide some sample code on how to do this what the calls > would be? Thanks for any ideas. John > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd End of AccessD Digest, Vol 120, Issue 4 *************************************** From jbodin at sbor.com Fri Feb 8 13:33:43 2013 From: jbodin at sbor.com (John Bodin) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 14:33:43 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 120, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00d101ce0633$358a06e0$a09e14a0$@sbor.com> Hi Stuart, Thanks for response. I follow what you are saying. In a little demo app link posted on Access-Programmers by ChrisO, I saw the code (below) for building a more generic function for handling/building a function to assign to an event. The referencing of me.activecontrol didn't cross my mind in your suggestion, makes sense though. So I understand about storing Button,Shift/X/Y in variables local to the form that you mention and then referencing them within routines in the form. My question relates to the "populate these in the MouseDown" comment. How do I generically reference these Button/Shift/X/Y variables from the Mouse Up/Down/Move events? If I were to create a procedure at Design time in the on mouse down event of a textbox control, it would be foo_MouseDown(Button As Integer, Shift As Integer, X As Single, Y As Single). That's where I'm having a brain freeze, on how to reference these from a generic procedure - maybe from the storm kicking in here in the Boston area... Thanks, John ---snip Public Function MakeFunctionCall(ByVal strFunctionName As String, _ ParamArray vntArgList() As Variant) As String Dim lngElement As Long Dim strFunction As String ' The first argument is NOT optional. ' Add Function name and opening bracket. strFunction = "=" & strFunctionName & "(" ' All the remaining arguments are optional. ' Loop through argument range, if passed. For lngElement = LBound(vntArgList) To UBound(vntArgList) strFunction = strFunction & Chr$(34) & vntArgList(lngElement) & Chr$(34) & ", " Next lngElement ' Did we receive any arguments? ' If so, trim off trailing ", ". If Right$(strFunction, 2) = ", " Then strFunction = Left$(strFunction, Len(strFunction) - 2) End If ' Set return valve and closing bracket. MakeFunctionCall = strFunction & ")" End Function ---snip Message: 19 Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 06:47:50 +1000 From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Generic Procedure on form controls for Drag and Drop Message-ID: <5112C176.2253.23E47B62 at stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi John, Welcome to the list. Instead of "=TxtBoxDblClick([Txt101])", you can just use ="TxtBoxDblClick()" and then in TxtBoxDblClick, just refer to Me.ActiveControl. You can do the same with your other functions. You can make your Up/Down/Move functions even more generic you using something like: Select Case Left$(me.activeControl.Name,3) Case "txt" ' It's a text box ... Case "cbo" 'It's a combobox ... You can store Button,Shift/X/Y in variables local to the form Dim intBtn As Integer Dim sngX As Single Dim sngY As Single Dim intShift As Integer and populate these in the MouseDown > > New to this list and need some guidance on a form I've developed (I posted > this on LinkedIn and got a few links with good information, but still having > issues). > > > > I have a grid of many text boxes on a form in an Access 2003 app that I fill > from a table upon opening the form as well as when the user changes a date > box. I add some generic procedure calls on the fly to each text box where I > pass the control to the generic function (for instance, I'll add a > double-click event to text box "Txt101" as "=TxtBoxDblClick([Txt101])". This > will pass the control to my function TxtBoxDblClick so I can react to it.) > This all works fine for all text boxes and I reference just one (same) > routine for each control. > > I'm trying to experiment with Drag and Drop and found some code that I can > get to work if at Design time, I add three event procedures to a text box > control (Mouse Down/Up/Move). If I do this to two different controls, > creating 3 event procedures for each at design time, I can successfully drag > and drop between the two controls. So the drag and drop code looks like it > works. > > My problem is, I want to have 3 generic routines like my TxtBoxDblClick > function, that I can add on the fly to the On Mouse Down/Up/Move events and > I can't figure out the syntax and/or code to make this happen. I can add the > custom Functions no problem, but I know I need to be able to deal with the > Button, Shift, X & Y parameters somehow. I can pass the control to the > custom function, but am unable to reference the Button, Shift, X & Y > parameters. I'm guessing I'll need to create some type of class possibly? If > so, can someone provide some sample code on how to do this what the calls > would be? Thanks for any ideas. John > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 18:54:03 -0500 From: jack drawbridge To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Generic Procedure on form controls for Drag and Drop Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 John, I found another link that is more focused on your drag and Drop. http://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=238669 >From post #5 "I really do not have a meaning of beginner/intermediate but do have some classes broken down into minimalistic form on my SkyDrive in my signature. It?s a developmental sequence of classes used for ?drag and drop? running:- Drag Drop -> Drag Drop Resize -> Drag Drop Resize GridSnap -> Drag DropResize GridSnap Save. Some end applications for drag and drop, also on my SkyDrive, are:- Drag Floor Plan, Drag Polygons, Z Order Bound Objects and Drag and DropChess." Good luck On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 1:55 PM, John Bodin wrote: > Hello, > > > > New to this list and need some guidance on a form I've developed (I posted > this on LinkedIn and got a few links with good information, but still > having > issues). > > > > I have a grid of many text boxes on a form in an Access 2003 app that I > fill > from a table upon opening the form as well as when the user changes a date > box. I add some generic procedure calls on the fly to each text box where I > pass the control to the generic function (for instance, I'll add a > double-click event to text box "Txt101" as "=TxtBoxDblClick([Txt101])". > This > will pass the control to my function TxtBoxDblClick so I can react to it.) > This all works fine for all text boxes and I reference just one (same) > routine for each control. > > I'm trying to experiment with Drag and Drop and found some code that I can > get to work if at Design time, I add three event procedures to a text box > control (Mouse Down/Up/Move). If I do this to two different controls, > creating 3 event procedures for each at design time, I can successfully > drag > and drop between the two controls. So the drag and drop code looks like it > works. > > My problem is, I want to have 3 generic routines like my TxtBoxDblClick > function, that I can add on the fly to the On Mouse Down/Up/Move events and > I can't figure out the syntax and/or code to make this happen. I can add > the > custom Functions no problem, but I know I need to be able to deal with the > Button, Shift, X & Y parameters somehow. I can pass the control to the > custom function, but am unable to reference the Button, Shift, X & Y > parameters. I'm guessing I'll need to create some type of class possibly? > If > so, can someone provide some sample code on how to do this what the calls > would be? Thanks for any ideas. John > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 15:38:37 +1100 From: "Darren" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Subject: Re: [AccessD] Generic Procedure on form controls for Drag and Drop Message-ID: <070401ce04ed$00bbc8f0$02335ad0$@activebilling.com.au> Keywords: To be Addressed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi John, Welcome to the list. We have a webpage too. http://www.databaseadvisors.com On that Webpage is some code samples. One in particular that shows one way to accomplish some elements of Drag and Drop in Access. Check it out at: http://www.databaseadvisors.com/downloads.asp And look for "Drag and Drop". Hope it's useful. Darren -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bodin Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2013 5:56 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] Generic Procedure on form controls for Drag and Drop Hello, New to this list and need some guidance on a form I've developed (I posted this on LinkedIn and got a few links with good information, but still having issues). I have a grid of many text boxes on a form in an Access 2003 app that I fill from a table upon opening the form as well as when the user changes a date box. I add some generic procedure calls on the fly to each text box where I pass the control to the generic function (for instance, I'll add a double-click event to text box "Txt101" as "=TxtBoxDblClick([Txt101])". This will pass the control to my function TxtBoxDblClick so I can react to it.) This all works fine for all text boxes and I reference just one (same) routine for each control. I'm trying to experiment with Drag and Drop and found some code that I can get to work if at Design time, I add three event procedures to a text box control (Mouse Down/Up/Move). If I do this to two different controls, creating 3 event procedures for each at design time, I can successfully drag and drop between the two controls. So the drag and drop code looks like it works. My problem is, I want to have 3 generic routines like my TxtBoxDblClick function, that I can add on the fly to the On Mouse Down/Up/Move events and I can't figure out the syntax and/or code to make this happen. I can add the custom Functions no problem, but I know I need to be able to deal with the Button, Shift, X & Y parameters somehow. I can pass the control to the custom function, but am unable to reference the Button, Shift, X & Y parameters. I'm guessing I'll need to create some type of class possibly? If so, can someone provide some sample code on how to do this what the calls would be? Thanks for any ideas. John -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 03:28:32 -0500 From: John Colby To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Generic Procedure on form controls for Drag and Drop Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This sounds like the perfect use for a class. A class can Sync events. A class is used when you have to do the same thing over and over. The event sinks you mention would be embedded in the class and the code to process the event sinks would be embedded in the class. I left my computer at work so I can't look at this right now. In the morning I will respond further. On Feb 6, 2013 1:56 PM, "John Bodin" wrote: > Hello, > > > > New to this list and need some guidance on a form I've developed (I posted > this on LinkedIn and got a few links with good information, but still > having > issues). > > > > I have a grid of many text boxes on a form in an Access 2003 app that I > fill > from a table upon opening the form as well as when the user changes a date > box. I add some generic procedure calls on the fly to each text box where I > pass the control to the generic function (for instance, I'll add a > double-click event to text box "Txt101" as "=TxtBoxDblClick([Txt101])". > This > will pass the control to my function TxtBoxDblClick so I can react to it.) > This all works fine for all text boxes and I reference just one (same) > routine for each control. > > I'm trying to experiment with Drag and Drop and found some code that I can > get to work if at Design time, I add three event procedures to a text box > control (Mouse Down/Up/Move). If I do this to two different controls, > creating 3 event procedures for each at design time, I can successfully > drag > and drop between the two controls. So the drag and drop code looks like it > works. > > My problem is, I want to have 3 generic routines like my TxtBoxDblClick > function, that I can add on the fly to the On Mouse Down/Up/Move events and > I can't figure out the syntax and/or code to make this happen. I can add > the > custom Functions no problem, but I know I need to be able to deal with the > Button, Shift, X & Y parameters somehow. I can pass the control to the > custom function, but am unable to reference the Button, Shift, X & Y > parameters. I'm guessing I'll need to create some type of class possibly? > If > so, can someone provide some sample code on how to do this what the calls > would be? Thanks for any ideas. John > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd End of AccessD Digest, Vol 120, Issue 4 *************************************** From jbodin at sbor.com Fri Feb 8 13:56:05 2013 From: jbodin at sbor.com (John Bodin) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 14:56:05 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 120, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00db01ce0636$55da3ed0$018ebc70$@sbor.com> Hi John. Thanks for the code samples and step by step. I'm on board with what you have written and I created my little test form and it did function as expected on the double-click. Although the code was minimal, it was enough to make sense after several reads/re-reads. Making these like blackbox routines makes perfect sense - self-contained and you just need to know how to call them. I also played with the little drag and drop demo on the databaseadvisors site by Stuart, Drew & Darren which was a slightly different idea than I was going for, but will definitely keep in mind for future development. I saw this demo in a thread here http://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=221317. This showed a nice way to drag from one text box, with a visual icon while dragging, and drop to another text box and acting upon the 'drop'. This is what I am trying to achieve, obviously with my custom routines and options when the drop occurs. The class idea seems to make sense here, just having issues (and I know I'm restating myself) in generically determining /referencing the Button/Shift/X/Y parameters. Thanks for the time taken in all your responses! John ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 09:33:23 -0500 From: John W Colby To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Doin the class thing - was Re: Generic Procedure on form controls for Drag and Drop Message-ID: <5113BB33.7020709 at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed John, Create a little test database. Create a form Drag and drop 3 text boxes out. When I did this they ended up with the names Text2, Text4 and Text6. Make sure that your text boxes are named that or the code won't work as it is. Open the form's code window and paste this in: '##################################### Option Compare Database Option Explicit ' 'The quick and dirty way to do this ' Private cDNDTxt2 As clsDNDText Private cDNDTxt4 As clsDNDText Private cDNDTxt6 As clsDNDText Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer) Set cDNDTxt2 = New clsDNDText cDNDTxt2.mInit Text2 Set cDNDTxt4 = New clsDNDText cDNDTxt4.mInit Text4 Set cDNDTxt6 = New clsDNDText cDNDTxt6.mInit Text6 End Sub '##################################### Next insert a class module. The 'how' changes between 2003 annd 2007 so I am leaving that up to you. In that class module insert the following: '##################################### Option Compare Database Option Explicit Private WithEvents mtxt As TextBox Private Const cEvProc As String = "[Event Procedure]" Private Sub Class_Terminate() Set mtxt = Nothing End Sub Function mInit(ltxt As TextBox) Set mtxt = ltxt mtxt.OnDblClick = cEvProc End Function Private Sub mtxt_DblClick(Cancel As Integer) 'Do something here MsgBox mtxt.Name & ".DblClick" End Sub '##################################### Save everything. Name the class clsDNDText. The form name doesn't matter. Open the form. Double click in each text box. John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/6/2013 1:55 PM, John Bodin wrote: > Hello, > > > > New to this list and need some guidance on a form I've developed (I posted > this on LinkedIn and got a few links with good information, but still having > issues). > > > > I have a grid of many text boxes on a form in an Access 2003 app that I fill > from a table upon opening the form as well as when the user changes a date > box. I add some generic procedure calls on the fly to each text box where I > pass the control to the generic function (for instance, I'll add a > double-click event to text box "Txt101" as "=TxtBoxDblClick([Txt101])". This > will pass the control to my function TxtBoxDblClick so I can react to it.) > This all works fine for all text boxes and I reference just one (same) > routine for each control. > > I'm trying to experiment with Drag and Drop and found some code that I can > get to work if at Design time, I add three event procedures to a text box > control (Mouse Down/Up/Move). If I do this to two different controls, > creating 3 event procedures for each at design time, I can successfully drag > and drop between the two controls. So the drag and drop code looks like it > works. > > My problem is, I want to have 3 generic routines like my TxtBoxDblClick > function, that I can add on the fly to the On Mouse Down/Up/Move events and > I can't figure out the syntax and/or code to make this happen. I can add the > custom Functions no problem, but I know I need to be able to deal with the > Button, Shift, X & Y parameters somehow. I can pass the control to the > custom function, but am unable to reference the Button, Shift, X & Y > parameters. I'm guessing I'll need to create some type of class possibly? If > so, can someone provide some sample code on how to do this what the calls > would be? Thanks for any ideas. John > > > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 10:17:49 -0500 From: John W Colby To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Doin the class thing - clsDNDText Message-ID: <5113C59D.2090404 at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed OK, let's discuss what is going on. clsDNDText is a class which I call an object wrapper. It wraps an access object (a text box in this case) and then uses event sinks to service the events of the wrapped object. So this class wraps a text box. Notice in the header of the class the line: Private WithEvents mtxt As TextBox This dimensions a text box variable private (cannot be seen outside of the class) and informs VBA that the class will be sinking events (the WithEvents keyword). Next we have a constant which holds the text "[Event Procedure]" Private Const cEvProc As String = "[Event Procedure]" It is good programming practice to as much as possible have a class self contained, not depending on outside resources to perform its function. Next we have termination code. When a class unloads it calls its terminate event if one exists. In this case it simply "unhooks" the text box, setting the pointer to nothing. We do that because it is possible to prevent a form from closing when objects on the form have pointers to them that are not cleaned up. Private Sub Class_Terminate() Set mtxt = Nothing End Sub We then have an Init function which is public, and allows us to pass in a pointer to a text box. mInit then stores that pointer in our class header. This allows the class to sink any and all events for the passed in object (text box). Notice that we immediately place the cEvProc into the OnDblClick property of the text box. It is a little known fact that it is the very existence of that text in the property that causes VBA to start raising events for the object. By specifically placing that code in that property in our code, we do not need the developer to double click the property for us. In this case we have only hooked the OnDblClick event however we could add others by adding a similar line of code for other events. Function mInit(ltxt As TextBox) Set mtxt = ltxt mtxt.OnDblClick = cEvProc End Function And finally, the guts of the thing, the very reason for doing all this, we have the event sink itself. This code is entered when the event fires for the specific text box which this class instance wraps. IOW if we have several instances of this class, one for TextBox 2, TextBox4 and TextBox6, then when you double click in TextBox4, the event in the instance servicing that text box will sink the event and do something with it. In this case I am simply poppigg up a message box to display the name of the control. Private Sub mtxt_DblClick(Cancel As Integer) 'Do something here MsgBox mtxt.Name & ".DblClick" End Sub John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/7/2013 9:33 AM, John W Colby wrote: > John, > > Create a little test database. > Create a form > Drag and drop 3 text boxes out. When I did this they ended up with the names Text2, Text4 and > Text6. Make sure that your text boxes are named that or the code won't work as it is. > > Open the form's code window and paste this in: > > '##################################### > Option Compare Database > Option Explicit > > ' > 'The quick and dirty way to do this > ' > Private cDNDTxt2 As clsDNDText > Private cDNDTxt4 As clsDNDText > Private cDNDTxt6 As clsDNDText > > Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer) > Set cDNDTxt2 = New clsDNDText > cDNDTxt2.mInit Text2 > > Set cDNDTxt4 = New clsDNDText > cDNDTxt4.mInit Text4 > > Set cDNDTxt6 = New clsDNDText > cDNDTxt6.mInit Text6 > > End Sub > '##################################### > > Next insert a class module. The 'how' changes between 2003 annd 2007 so I am leaving that up to you. > > In that class module insert the following: > > '##################################### > Option Compare Database > Option Explicit > > Private WithEvents mtxt As TextBox > Private Const cEvProc As String = "[Event Procedure]" > Private Sub Class_Terminate() > Set mtxt = Nothing > End Sub > > Function mInit(ltxt As TextBox) > Set mtxt = ltxt > mtxt.OnDblClick = cEvProc > End Function > > Private Sub mtxt_DblClick(Cancel As Integer) > 'Do something here > MsgBox mtxt.Name & ".DblClick" > End Sub > '##################################### > > Save everything. Name the class clsDNDText. The form name doesn't matter. > > Open the form. Double click in each text box. > > John W. Colby > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 10:29:48 -0500 From: John W Colby To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Doin the class thing - frmDNDText Message-ID: <5113C86C.2080408 at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed The code for the form's class is simple. In the form's header we create an instance of the class for every text box we want to handle. Notice that I already have a disclaimer that this is the 'quick and dirty' way of doing things. This works but there is a better way which we will discuss once you have absorbed this method. ' 'The quick and dirty way to do this ' Private cDNDTxt2 As clsDNDText Private cDNDTxt4 As clsDNDText Private cDNDTxt6 As clsDNDText In the form's Open event we initialize each of the instances of this class, setting the pointer to each instance using the new keyword and then passing in a pointer to one of the text boxes in the mInit method. Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer) Set cDNDTxt2 = New clsDNDText cDNDTxt2.mInit Text2 Set cDNDTxt4 = New clsDNDText cDNDTxt4.mInit Text4 Set cDNDTxt6 = New clsDNDText cDNDTxt6.mInit Text6 End Sub and finally, not included in the original post we want to cleanup in the form's close event Private Sub Form_Close() Set cDNDTxt2 = Nothing Set cDNDTxt4 = Nothing Set cDNDTxt6 = Nothing End Sub How much simpler can it be? Let's discuss this and then we can move on to the next step. -- John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 10:34:01 -0500 From: John Colby To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any book recommendations - Event Procedures/Programming Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Classes and events is the highly guarded secret of the elite few. ;) If everyone knew about them then how could we claim to be elite? jwcolby On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:16 AM, jack drawbridge wrote: > Just curious if anyone has a book(s) (or site(s)/video(s)) recommendation > for Event Procedures generally. I know John C has started many tutorials > and expressed the importance of classes and events, but I find info (Google > search based) sparse at best. I have not found a site that addresses > classes with the same level and description of JC. (Was the stuff he > tempted us with (2009) ever get publish/collected and saved. I have found > some things by Chris O'Brien (on another forum) related to soft coded > events. > > It's more a curiosity than a need. I'm retired, not consulting, but have a > recurring interest and thought I should ask. > > Thanks in advance. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting ------------------------------ From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Feb 8 14:37:53 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2013 06:37:53 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 120, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: <00d101ce0633$358a06e0$a09e14a0$@sbor.com> References: , <00d101ce0633$358a06e0$a09e14a0$@sbor.com> Message-ID: <51156221.15810.4371D17@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Ah, I see what you mean. About the only way I can think of to get X/Y values directly in your procedure would be to use the API Call GetCursorPos() in your procedure. I doubt that you can get button and shift in your proceduresince the Windows events which identify those actions are already sunk in the various built in event procedures (that's where VBA gets the incoming parameters from those event procedures from). To get them into your generic procedure, I think that you would have to put the single line foo_MouseDown Buttonr, Shift, X, Y in each textbox's MouseDown() procedure. -- Stuart On 8 Feb 2013 at 14:33, John Bodin wrote: > Hi Stuart, > > Thanks for response. I follow what you are saying. In a little demo app > link posted on Access-Programmers by ChrisO, I saw the code (below) for > building a more generic function for handling/building a function to assign > to an event. The referencing of me.activecontrol didn't cross my mind in > your suggestion, makes sense though. > > So I understand about storing Button,Shift/X/Y in variables local to the > form that you mention and then referencing them within routines in the form. > My question relates to the "populate these in the MouseDown" comment. How > do I generically reference these Button/Shift/X/Y variables from the Mouse > Up/Down/Move events? If I were to create a procedure at Design time in the > on mouse down event of a textbox control, it would be foo_MouseDown(Button > As Integer, Shift As Integer, X As Single, Y As Single). That's where I'm > having a brain freeze, on how to reference these from a generic procedure - > maybe from the storm kicking in here in the Boston area... > > Thanks, > > John > ---snip > Public Function MakeFunctionCall(ByVal strFunctionName As String, _ > ParamArray vntArgList() As Variant) As String > > Dim lngElement As Long > Dim strFunction As String > > ' The first argument is NOT optional. > ' Add Function name and opening bracket. > strFunction = "=" & strFunctionName & "(" > > ' All the remaining arguments are optional. > ' Loop through argument range, if passed. > For lngElement = LBound(vntArgList) To UBound(vntArgList) > strFunction = strFunction & Chr$(34) & vntArgList(lngElement) & > Chr$(34) & ", " > Next lngElement > > ' Did we receive any arguments? > ' If so, trim off trailing ", ". > If Right$(strFunction, 2) = ", " Then > strFunction = Left$(strFunction, Len(strFunction) - 2) > End If > > ' Set return valve and closing bracket. > MakeFunctionCall = strFunction & ")" > > End Function > ---snip > > Message: 19 > Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 06:47:50 +1000 > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Generic Procedure on form controls for Drag and > Drop > Message-ID: <5112C176.2253.23E47B62 at stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Hi John, > > Welcome to the list. > > Instead of "=TxtBoxDblClick([Txt101])", you can just use > ="TxtBoxDblClick()" and then in > TxtBoxDblClick, just refer to Me.ActiveControl. > > You can do the same with your other functions. > > You can make your Up/Down/Move functions even more generic you using > something like: > > Select Case Left$(me.activeControl.Name,3) > Case "txt" ' It's a text box > ... > Case "cbo" 'It's a combobox > ... > > You can store Button,Shift/X/Y in variables local to the form > Dim intBtn As Integer > Dim sngX As Single > Dim sngY As Single > Dim intShift As Integer > > and populate these in the MouseDown > > > > > New to this list and need some guidance on a form I've developed (I posted > > this on LinkedIn and got a few links with good information, but still > having > > issues). > > > > > > > > I have a grid of many text boxes on a form in an Access 2003 app that I > fill > > from a table upon opening the form as well as when the user changes a date > > box. I add some generic procedure calls on the fly to each text box where > I > > pass the control to the generic function (for instance, I'll add a > > double-click event to text box "Txt101" as "=TxtBoxDblClick([Txt101])". > This > > will pass the control to my function TxtBoxDblClick so I can react to it.) > > This all works fine for all text boxes and I reference just one (same) > > routine for each control. > > > > I'm trying to experiment with Drag and Drop and found some code that I can > > get to work if at Design time, I add three event procedures to a text box > > control (Mouse Down/Up/Move). If I do this to two different controls, > > creating 3 event procedures for each at design time, I can successfully > drag > > and drop between the two controls. So the drag and drop code looks like it > > works. > > > > My problem is, I want to have 3 generic routines like my TxtBoxDblClick > > function, that I can add on the fly to the On Mouse Down/Up/Move events > and > > I can't figure out the syntax and/or code to make this happen. I can add > the > > custom Functions no problem, but I know I need to be able to deal with the > > Button, Shift, X & Y parameters somehow. I can pass the control to the > > custom function, but am unable to reference the Button, Shift, X & Y > > parameters. I'm guessing I'll need to create some type of class possibly? > If > > so, can someone provide some sample code on how to do this what the calls > > would be? Thanks for any ideas. John > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 20 > Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 18:54:03 -0500 > From: jack drawbridge > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Generic Procedure on form controls for Drag and > Drop > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > John, > > I found another link that is more focused on your drag and Drop. > http://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=238669 > > >From post #5 > "I really do not have a meaning of beginner/intermediate but do have some > classes broken down into minimalistic form on my SkyDrive in my signature. > > It?s a developmental sequence of classes used for ?drag and drop? running:- > Drag Drop -> Drag Drop Resize -> Drag Drop Resize GridSnap -> Drag > DropResize GridSnap Save. > > Some end applications for drag and drop, also on my SkyDrive, are:- > Drag Floor Plan, Drag Polygons, Z Order Bound Objects and Drag and > DropChess." > > Good luck > > On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 1:55 PM, John Bodin wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > New to this list and need some guidance on a form I've developed (I posted > > this on LinkedIn and got a few links with good information, but still > > having > > issues). > > > > > > > > I have a grid of many text boxes on a form in an Access 2003 app that I > > fill > > from a table upon opening the form as well as when the user changes a date > > box. I add some generic procedure calls on the fly to each text box where > I > > pass the control to the generic function (for instance, I'll add a > > double-click event to text box "Txt101" as "=TxtBoxDblClick([Txt101])". > > This > > will pass the control to my function TxtBoxDblClick so I can react to it.) > > This all works fine for all text boxes and I reference just one (same) > > routine for each control. > > > > I'm trying to experiment with Drag and Drop and found some code that I can > > get to work if at Design time, I add three event procedures to a text box > > control (Mouse Down/Up/Move). If I do this to two different controls, > > creating 3 event procedures for each at design time, I can successfully > > drag > > and drop between the two controls. So the drag and drop code looks like it > > works. > > > > My problem is, I want to have 3 generic routines like my TxtBoxDblClick > > function, that I can add on the fly to the On Mouse Down/Up/Move events > and > > I can't figure out the syntax and/or code to make this happen. I can add > > the > > custom Functions no problem, but I know I need to be able to deal with the > > Button, Shift, X & Y parameters somehow. I can pass the control to the > > custom function, but am unable to reference the Button, Shift, X & Y > > parameters. I'm guessing I'll need to create some type of class possibly? > > If > > so, can someone provide some sample code on how to do this what the calls > > would be? Thanks for any ideas. John > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 21 > Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 15:38:37 +1100 > From: "Darren" > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Generic Procedure on form controls for Drag and > Drop > Message-ID: <070401ce04ed$00bbc8f0$02335ad0$@activebilling.com.au> > Keywords: To be Addressed > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi John, > Welcome to the list. We have a webpage too. > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > On that Webpage is some code samples. > One in particular that shows one way to accomplish some elements of Drag and > Drop in Access. > Check it out at: > http://www.databaseadvisors.com/downloads.asp > And look for "Drag and Drop". > Hope it's useful. > Darren > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bodin > Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2013 5:56 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [AccessD] Generic Procedure on form controls for Drag and Drop > > Hello, > > > > New to this list and need some guidance on a form I've developed (I posted > this on LinkedIn and got a few links with good information, but still having > issues). > > > > I have a grid of many text boxes on a form in an Access 2003 app that I fill > from a table upon opening the form as well as when the user changes a date > box. I add some generic procedure calls on the fly to each text box where I > pass the control to the generic function (for instance, I'll add a > double-click event to text box "Txt101" as "=TxtBoxDblClick([Txt101])". This > will pass the control to my function TxtBoxDblClick so I can react to it.) > This all works fine for all text boxes and I reference just one (same) > routine for each control. > > I'm trying to experiment with Drag and Drop and found some code that I can > get to work if at Design time, I add three event procedures to a text box > control (Mouse Down/Up/Move). If I do this to two different controls, > creating 3 event procedures for each at design time, I can successfully drag > and drop between the two controls. So the drag and drop code looks like it > works. > > My problem is, I want to have 3 generic routines like my TxtBoxDblClick > function, that I can add on the fly to the On Mouse Down/Up/Move events and > I can't figure out the syntax and/or code to make this happen. I can add the > custom Functions no problem, but I know I need to be able to deal with the > Button, Shift, X & Y parameters somehow. I can pass the control to the > custom function, but am unable to reference the Button, Shift, X & Y > parameters. I'm guessing I'll need to create some type of class possibly? If > so, can someone provide some sample code on how to do this what the calls > would be? Thanks for any ideas. John > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 22 > Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 03:28:32 -0500 > From: John Colby > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Generic Procedure on form controls for Drag and > Drop > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > This sounds like the perfect use for a class. A class can Sync events. A > class is used when you have to do the same thing over and over. The event > sinks you mention would be embedded in the class and the code to process > the event sinks would be embedded in the class. > > I left my computer at work so I can't look at this right now. In the > morning I will respond further. > On Feb 6, 2013 1:56 PM, "John Bodin" wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > New to this list and need some guidance on a form I've developed (I posted > > this on LinkedIn and got a few links with good information, but still > > having > > issues). > > > > > > > > I have a grid of many text boxes on a form in an Access 2003 app that I > > fill > > from a table upon opening the form as well as when the user changes a date > > box. I add some generic procedure calls on the fly to each text box where > I > > pass the control to the generic function (for instance, I'll add a > > double-click event to text box "Txt101" as "=TxtBoxDblClick([Txt101])". > > This > > will pass the control to my function TxtBoxDblClick so I can react to it.) > > This all works fine for all text boxes and I reference just one (same) > > routine for each control. > > > > I'm trying to experiment with Drag and Drop and found some code that I can > > get to work if at Design time, I add three event procedures to a text box > > control (Mouse Down/Up/Move). If I do this to two different controls, > > creating 3 event procedures for each at design time, I can successfully > > drag > > and drop between the two controls. So the drag and drop code looks like it > > works. > > > > My problem is, I want to have 3 generic routines like my TxtBoxDblClick > > function, that I can add on the fly to the On Mouse Down/Up/Move events > and > > I can't figure out the syntax and/or code to make this happen. I can add > > the > > custom Functions no problem, but I know I need to be able to deal with the > > Button, Shift, X & Y parameters somehow. I can pass the control to the > > custom function, but am unable to reference the Button, Shift, X & Y > > parameters. I'm guessing I'll need to create some type of class possibly? > > If > > so, can someone provide some sample code on how to do this what the calls > > would be? Thanks for any ideas. John > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > End of AccessD Digest, Vol 120, Issue 4 > *************************************** > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Feb 8 14:41:00 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2013 06:41:00 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 120, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: <00db01ce0636$55da3ed0$018ebc70$@sbor.com> References: , <00db01ce0636$55da3ed0$018ebc70$@sbor.com> Message-ID: <511562DC.23220.439F5D8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Geez, that's ten years old. It's probably suffered from code rot by now. Don't hold us responsible for any bad coding practices you find in it . :-) -- Stuart On 8 Feb 2013 at 14:56, John Bodin wrote: > I also played with the little drag and drop demo on the databaseadvisors > site by Stuart, Drew & Darren which was a slightly different idea than I was > going for, but will definitely keep in mind for future development. > From kismert at gmail.com Fri Feb 8 15:18:19 2013 From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 15:18:19 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Any book recommendations - EventProcedures/Programming Message-ID: All, Here is a quick conceptual introduction to OO that I wrote. It takes a bottom-up approach to explaining classes and objects. -Ken PROGRESSION OF OBJECT PROGRAMMING PART 1: FROM GLOBAL TO SIMPLE CLASS An easy way to understand classes and objects is to understand what came before, and go through a broad progression of programming trends, with the goal of highlighting some of the motivations that drove the move to classes. 1) The Global Mess ================== Global routines. Global variables maintain state. Implementations: Machine code and assembler, early languages like FORTRAN, mid-level languages like C Advantages: a) Easy to get started. Simple to understand at first. Problems: a) Fragile, prone to errors when some code somewhere unexpectedly modifies global state, causing a chain of hard-to-debug unintended side-effects and crashes. b) As the program grows, the ability to understand and maintain it declines, and instability increases. 2) Simple Encapsulation ======================= Modules with private module-level variables. Functions allow outside code to get and set variables. Clear delineation between the public and private parts of a module. Implementations: Early high-level languages: Basic, Pascal, mid-level languages like C Advantages: a) Code reuse across many projects -- each module can cleanly contain a well-defined set of related functions. b) Private module-level variables ensure no code outside the module can directly affect the module's state. c) Using functions to get/set state allows breakpoints and easier debugging. d) Getter and setter functions control state access. Removing the setter makes a private variable read-only to outside code. No getter or setter makes the variable completely invisible. Problems: a) You have to think more about the organization of your code. b) Refactoring and reorganizing become significant tasks as you make your code more generic and abstract. c) No good way to handle multiples of a thing. d) Initializing a module's state can be tricky. 3) Simple Classes ================= Class modules as templates for Object instances. Formal naming of object parts and concepts. Object lifetime management by reference. Implementations: Smalltalk, VB 4 and later, C++, JavaScript, Python, etc..., anything with 'Object' in the name, or prefixed with 'O' Advantages: a) Much more fine-grained control over program state. b) You can easily manage multiple instances of things that require their own individual state. c) Initialization and shutdown are much easier. d) Classes allow you can leverage the power of abstraction to a much greater degree than previously possible. Problems: a) Organizing your code can become much more of a challenge. You are now forced to manage systems and patterns of classes, and the interactions between them. b) Abstraction can become a diversion from the real job of getting stuff done. c) Without discipline, classes can become an invitation to over-complication. The Basics ---------- Class The base module is renamed a Class, and becomes a template for making objects. Object An object is an instance of a class. Each object has its own, independent state. Member Variables Private module variables are separated from the module and given to the object. Each object instance gets its own set of member variables, allowing it to maintain its own state. Properties The ubiquitous getter and setter functions get their own special names and syntax. Properties enforce state access, but they are simply functions with another name. Methods The actions a class can perform on one of it's object instances. Methods are nothing more than the public functions and subroutines defined in the class. Calling a method typically modifies an object's state. Properties, being functions, are technically methods, but are usually treated separately. Setup/Shutdown -------------- Initialization The class can allow initialization code to be run when an object instance is created. Termination The class can also allow termination code to run when an object is destroyed. Object Creation and Lifetime ---------------------------- Possibly the most involved part of basic OO programming is how objects get created and destroyed, and how multiple instances of an object are maintained. I give just the basic concepts here: Reference Variables A new object is assigned to a variable when it is created. This reference variable refers to the independent set of member variables of an object instance. The reference also binds the object to its parent class, so you can call the proper methods for the object. How this is done varies from language to language. Object Lifetime References determine the lifetime of an object, just like an integer variable reference determines the lifetime of the integer value it refers to. Object lifetime is managed using some form of reference counting. Reference Counting An object remains 'alive' as long as it has one or more references to it. When an object has no references to it, it gets destroyed. You add references by assigning one object variable to another, or passing the object to a function. References are removed when an object variable goes out of scope at the end of a function, or when you explicitly destroy them in your code. From jbodin at sbor.com Fri Feb 8 15:24:01 2013 From: jbodin at sbor.com (John Bodin) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 16:24:01 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 120, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: <51156221.15810.4371D17@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <00d101ce0633$358a06e0$a09e14a0$@sbor.com> <51156221.15810.4371D17@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <000001ce0642$9e0096d0$da01c470$@sbor.com> Yeah I tried =MyMouseDownMove(Button, Shift, X, Y) in the on Mouse Move event of each text box w/o error (similar syntax with Mouse Down & Up referencing a different function.) In the MyMouseDownEvent function I have the same syntax as manually creating a mouse down event. When I move my mouse over one of the text boxes, I get the error "The expression On Mouse Move you entered as the event property setting produced the following error: The object doesn't contain the Automation object 'Button'." -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 3:38 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 120, Issue 4 Ah, I see what you mean. About the only way I can think of to get X/Y values directly in your procedure would be to use the API Call GetCursorPos() in your procedure. I doubt that you can get button and shift in your proceduresince the Windows events which identify those actions are already sunk in the various built in event procedures (that's where VBA gets the incoming parameters from those event procedures from). To get them into your generic procedure, I think that you would have to put the single line foo_MouseDown Buttonr, Shift, X, Y in each textbox's MouseDown() procedure. -- Stuart On 8 Feb 2013 at 14:33, John Bodin wrote: > Hi Stuart, > > Thanks for response. I follow what you are saying. In a little demo > app link posted on Access-Programmers by ChrisO, I saw the code > (below) for building a more generic function for handling/building a > function to assign to an event. The referencing of me.activecontrol > didn't cross my mind in your suggestion, makes sense though. > > So I understand about storing Button,Shift/X/Y in variables local to > the form that you mention and then referencing them within routines in the form. > My question relates to the "populate these in the MouseDown" comment. > How do I generically reference these Button/Shift/X/Y variables from > the Mouse Up/Down/Move events? If I were to create a procedure at > Design time in the on mouse down event of a textbox control, it would > be foo_MouseDown(Button As Integer, Shift As Integer, X As Single, Y > As Single). That's where I'm having a brain freeze, on how to > reference these from a generic procedure - maybe from the storm kicking in here in the Boston area... > > Thanks, > > John > ---snip > Public Function MakeFunctionCall(ByVal strFunctionName As String, _ > ParamArray vntArgList() As Variant) As > String > > Dim lngElement As Long > Dim strFunction As String > > ' The first argument is NOT optional. > ' Add Function name and opening bracket. > strFunction = "=" & strFunctionName & "(" > > ' All the remaining arguments are optional. > ' Loop through argument range, if passed. > For lngElement = LBound(vntArgList) To UBound(vntArgList) > strFunction = strFunction & Chr$(34) & vntArgList(lngElement) > & > Chr$(34) & ", " > Next lngElement > > ' Did we receive any arguments? > ' If so, trim off trailing ", ". > If Right$(strFunction, 2) = ", " Then > strFunction = Left$(strFunction, Len(strFunction) - 2) > End If > > ' Set return valve and closing bracket. > MakeFunctionCall = strFunction & ")" > > End Function > ---snip > > Message: 19 > Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 06:47:50 +1000 > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Generic Procedure on form controls for Drag and > Drop > Message-ID: <5112C176.2253.23E47B62 at stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Hi John, > > Welcome to the list. > > Instead of "=TxtBoxDblClick([Txt101])", you can just use > ="TxtBoxDblClick()" and then in > TxtBoxDblClick, just refer to Me.ActiveControl. > > You can do the same with your other functions. > > You can make your Up/Down/Move functions even more generic you using > something like: > > Select Case Left$(me.activeControl.Name,3) > Case "txt" ' It's a text box > ... > Case "cbo" 'It's a combobox > ... > > You can store Button,Shift/X/Y in variables local to the form Dim > intBtn As Integer Dim sngX As Single Dim sngY As Single Dim intShift > As Integer > > and populate these in the MouseDown > > > > > New to this list and need some guidance on a form I've developed (I > > posted this on LinkedIn and got a few links with good information, > > but still > having > > issues). > > > > > > > > I have a grid of many text boxes on a form in an Access 2003 app > > that I > fill > > from a table upon opening the form as well as when the user changes > > a date box. I add some generic procedure calls on the fly to each > > text box where > I > > pass the control to the generic function (for instance, I'll add a > > double-click event to text box "Txt101" as "=TxtBoxDblClick([Txt101])". > This > > will pass the control to my function TxtBoxDblClick so I can react > > to it.) This all works fine for all text boxes and I reference just > > one (same) routine for each control. > > > > I'm trying to experiment with Drag and Drop and found some code that > > I can get to work if at Design time, I add three event procedures to > > a text box control (Mouse Down/Up/Move). If I do this to two > > different controls, creating 3 event procedures for each at design > > time, I can successfully > drag > > and drop between the two controls. So the drag and drop code looks > > like it works. > > > > My problem is, I want to have 3 generic routines like my > > TxtBoxDblClick function, that I can add on the fly to the On Mouse > > Down/Up/Move events > and > > I can't figure out the syntax and/or code to make this happen. I can > > add > the > > custom Functions no problem, but I know I need to be able to deal > > with the Button, Shift, X & Y parameters somehow. I can pass the > > control to the custom function, but am unable to reference the > > Button, Shift, X & Y parameters. I'm guessing I'll need to create some type of class possibly? > If > > so, can someone provide some sample code on how to do this what the > > calls would be? Thanks for any ideas. John > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 20 > Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 18:54:03 -0500 > From: jack drawbridge > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Generic Procedure on form controls for Drag and > Drop > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > John, > > I found another link that is more focused on your drag and Drop. > http://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=238669 > > >From post #5 > "I really do not have a meaning of beginner/intermediate but do have > some classes broken down into minimalistic form on my SkyDrive in my signature. > > It?s a developmental sequence of classes used for ?drag and drop? > running:- Drag Drop -> Drag Drop Resize -> Drag Drop Resize GridSnap > -> Drag DropResize GridSnap Save. > > Some end applications for drag and drop, also on my SkyDrive, are:- > Drag Floor Plan, Drag Polygons, Z Order Bound Objects and Drag and > DropChess." > > Good luck > > On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 1:55 PM, John Bodin wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > New to this list and need some guidance on a form I've developed (I > > posted this on LinkedIn and got a few links with good information, > > but still having issues). > > > > > > > > I have a grid of many text boxes on a form in an Access 2003 app > > that I fill from a table upon opening the form as well as when the > > user changes a date box. I add some generic procedure calls on the > > fly to each text box where > I > > pass the control to the generic function (for instance, I'll add a > > double-click event to text box "Txt101" as "=TxtBoxDblClick([Txt101])". > > This > > will pass the control to my function TxtBoxDblClick so I can react > > to it.) This all works fine for all text boxes and I reference just > > one (same) routine for each control. > > > > I'm trying to experiment with Drag and Drop and found some code that > > I can get to work if at Design time, I add three event procedures to > > a text box control (Mouse Down/Up/Move). If I do this to two > > different controls, creating 3 event procedures for each at design > > time, I can successfully drag and drop between the two controls. So > > the drag and drop code looks like it works. > > > > My problem is, I want to have 3 generic routines like my > > TxtBoxDblClick function, that I can add on the fly to the On Mouse > > Down/Up/Move events > and > > I can't figure out the syntax and/or code to make this happen. I can > > add the custom Functions no problem, but I know I need to be able to > > deal with the Button, Shift, X & Y parameters somehow. I can pass > > the control to the custom function, but am unable to reference the > > Button, Shift, X & Y parameters. I'm guessing I'll need to create > > some type of class possibly? > > If > > so, can someone provide some sample code on how to do this what the > > calls would be? Thanks for any ideas. John > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 21 > Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 15:38:37 +1100 > From: "Darren" > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Generic Procedure on form controls for Drag and > Drop > Message-ID: <070401ce04ed$00bbc8f0$02335ad0$@activebilling.com.au> > Keywords: To be Addressed > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi John, > Welcome to the list. We have a webpage too. > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > On that Webpage is some code samples. > One in particular that shows one way to accomplish some elements of > Drag and Drop in Access. > Check it out at: > http://www.databaseadvisors.com/downloads.asp > And look for "Drag and Drop". > Hope it's useful. > Darren > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bodin > Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2013 5:56 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [AccessD] Generic Procedure on form controls for Drag and > Drop > > Hello, > > > > New to this list and need some guidance on a form I've developed (I > posted this on LinkedIn and got a few links with good information, but > still having issues). > > > > I have a grid of many text boxes on a form in an Access 2003 app that > I fill from a table upon opening the form as well as when the user > changes a date box. I add some generic procedure calls on the fly to > each text box where I pass the control to the generic function (for > instance, I'll add a double-click event to text box "Txt101" as > "=TxtBoxDblClick([Txt101])". This will pass the control to my function > TxtBoxDblClick so I can react to it.) This all works fine for all text > boxes and I reference just one (same) routine for each control. > > I'm trying to experiment with Drag and Drop and found some code that I > can get to work if at Design time, I add three event procedures to a > text box control (Mouse Down/Up/Move). If I do this to two different > controls, creating 3 event procedures for each at design time, I can > successfully drag and drop between the two controls. So the drag and > drop code looks like it works. > > My problem is, I want to have 3 generic routines like my > TxtBoxDblClick function, that I can add on the fly to the On Mouse > Down/Up/Move events and I can't figure out the syntax and/or code to > make this happen. I can add the custom Functions no problem, but I > know I need to be able to deal with the Button, Shift, X & Y > parameters somehow. I can pass the control to the custom function, but > am unable to reference the Button, Shift, X & Y parameters. I'm > guessing I'll need to create some type of class possibly? If so, can > someone provide some sample code on how to do this what the calls > would be? Thanks for any ideas. John > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 22 > Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 03:28:32 -0500 > From: John Colby > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Generic Procedure on form controls for Drag and > Drop > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > This sounds like the perfect use for a class. A class can Sync > events. A class is used when you have to do the same thing over and > over. The event sinks you mention would be embedded in the class and > the code to process the event sinks would be embedded in the class. > > I left my computer at work so I can't look at this right now. In the > morning I will respond further. > On Feb 6, 2013 1:56 PM, "John Bodin" wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > New to this list and need some guidance on a form I've developed (I > > posted this on LinkedIn and got a few links with good information, > > but still having issues). > > > > > > > > I have a grid of many text boxes on a form in an Access 2003 app > > that I fill from a table upon opening the form as well as when the > > user changes a date box. I add some generic procedure calls on the > > fly to each text box where > I > > pass the control to the generic function (for instance, I'll add a > > double-click event to text box "Txt101" as "=TxtBoxDblClick([Txt101])". > > This > > will pass the control to my function TxtBoxDblClick so I can react > > to it.) This all works fine for all text boxes and I reference just > > one (same) routine for each control. > > > > I'm trying to experiment with Drag and Drop and found some code that > > I can get to work if at Design time, I add three event procedures to > > a text box control (Mouse Down/Up/Move). If I do this to two > > different controls, creating 3 event procedures for each at design > > time, I can successfully drag and drop between the two controls. So > > the drag and drop code looks like it works. > > > > My problem is, I want to have 3 generic routines like my > > TxtBoxDblClick function, that I can add on the fly to the On Mouse > > Down/Up/Move events > and > > I can't figure out the syntax and/or code to make this happen. I can > > add the custom Functions no problem, but I know I need to be able to > > deal with the Button, Shift, X & Y parameters somehow. I can pass > > the control to the custom function, but am unable to reference the > > Button, Shift, X & Y parameters. I'm guessing I'll need to create > > some type of class possibly? > > If > > so, can someone provide some sample code on how to do this what the > > calls would be? Thanks for any ideas. John > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > End of AccessD Digest, Vol 120, Issue 4 > *************************************** > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From BradM at blackforestltd.com Fri Feb 8 15:27:13 2013 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 15:27:13 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Access Application Obtaining Data from Excel - Another User Has Excel File Opened References: , <00d101ce0633$358a06e0$a09e14a0$@sbor.com><51156221.15810.4371D17@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <000001ce0642$9e0096d0$da01c470$@sbor.com> Message-ID: All, I am struggling with a small Access 2007 application that obtains data from an Excel file. The Excel file is defined as a Linked Table in Access. There is a single query which is used via Record Set processing. The data is returned perfectly when no one else is using the Excel file. If another user is looking at the Excel file but has not clicked on any cells, the data is returned to Access properly. However, if another user has the Excel file opened and has clicked on a cell, the Access application runs into a problem. The Access VBA code that does the Record Set processing has error handling code, but the error that is returned is not trapped by the error handling code. Instead a message is shown that says "This action cannot be completed because the Microsoft Excel - (the Excel file name) is busy. I would like to either be able to catch this error with the normal error handling code Or Invoke some sort of routine to determine if the Excel file is tied up before trying to obtain the data via Access. Any ideas? Thanks, Brad From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Feb 8 16:01:14 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 14:01:14 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Access Application Obtaining Data from Excel - AnotherUser Has Excel File Opened In-Reply-To: References: , <00d101ce0633$358a06e0$a09e14a0$@sbor.com><51156221.15810.4371D17@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><000001ce0642$9e0096d0$da01c470$@sbor.com> Message-ID: <96D1BB6BCE04428D93B18B03AAB6F150@HAL9007> Don't know how to trap that but as a work-around in the module that processes the sheet, could you make a copy and open the copy? Then delete it when you're done. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 1:27 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Access Application Obtaining Data from Excel - AnotherUser Has Excel File Opened All, I am struggling with a small Access 2007 application that obtains data from an Excel file. The Excel file is defined as a Linked Table in Access. There is a single query which is used via Record Set processing. The data is returned perfectly when no one else is using the Excel file. If another user is looking at the Excel file but has not clicked on any cells, the data is returned to Access properly. However, if another user has the Excel file opened and has clicked on a cell, the Access application runs into a problem. The Access VBA code that does the Record Set processing has error handling code, but the error that is returned is not trapped by the error handling code. Instead a message is shown that says "This action cannot be completed because the Microsoft Excel - (the Excel file name) is busy. I would like to either be able to catch this error with the normal error handling code Or Invoke some sort of routine to determine if the Excel file is tied up before trying to obtain the data via Access. Any ideas? Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From BradM at blackforestltd.com Fri Feb 8 16:32:05 2013 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 16:32:05 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Access Application Obtaining Data from Excel -AnotherUser Has Excel File Opened References: , <00d101ce0633$358a06e0$a09e14a0$@sbor.com><51156221.15810.4371D17@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><000001ce0642$9e0096d0$da01c470$@sbor.com> <96D1BB6BCE04428D93B18B03AAB6F150@HAL9007> Message-ID: Rocky, Thanks for the idea. I had not thought of this approach. I did some testing and it looks like this method will work. I appreciate the help. Thanks again! Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 4:01 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application Obtaining Data from Excel -AnotherUser Has Excel File Opened Don't know how to trap that but as a work-around in the module that processes the sheet, could you make a copy and open the copy? Then delete it when you're done. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 1:27 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Access Application Obtaining Data from Excel - AnotherUser Has Excel File Opened All, I am struggling with a small Access 2007 application that obtains data from an Excel file. The Excel file is defined as a Linked Table in Access. There is a single query which is used via Record Set processing. The data is returned perfectly when no one else is using the Excel file. If another user is looking at the Excel file but has not clicked on any cells, the data is returned to Access properly. However, if another user has the Excel file opened and has clicked on a cell, the Access application runs into a problem. The Access VBA code that does the Record Set processing has error handling code, but the error that is returned is not trapped by the error handling code. Instead a message is shown that says "This action cannot be completed because the Microsoft Excel - (the Excel file name) is busy. I would like to either be able to catch this error with the normal error handling code Or Invoke some sort of routine to determine if the Excel file is tied up before trying to obtain the data via Access. Any ideas? Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From jwcolby at gmail.com Sat Feb 9 09:07:22 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2013 10:07:22 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Generic Procedure on form controls for Drag and Drop In-Reply-To: <01dd01ce049b$9ba99fb0$d2fcdf10$@sbor.com> References: <01dd01ce049b$9ba99fb0$d2fcdf10$@sbor.com> Message-ID: <5116662A.80505@gmail.com> John, Paste the code in this email thread which allows the drag and drop to work. I will look at moving the code into a class solution and return a demo. John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/6/2013 1:55 PM, John Bodin wrote: > Hello, > > > > New to this list and need some guidance on a form I've developed (I posted > this on LinkedIn and got a few links with good information, but still having > issues). > > > > I have a grid of many text boxes on a form in an Access 2003 app that I fill > from a table upon opening the form as well as when the user changes a date > box. I add some generic procedure calls on the fly to each text box where I > pass the control to the generic function (for instance, I'll add a > double-click event to text box "Txt101" as "=TxtBoxDblClick([Txt101])". This > will pass the control to my function TxtBoxDblClick so I can react to it.) > This all works fine for all text boxes and I reference just one (same) > routine for each control. > > I'm trying to experiment with Drag and Drop and found some code that I can > get to work if at Design time, I add three event procedures to a text box > control (Mouse Down/Up/Move). If I do this to two different controls, > creating 3 event procedures for each at design time, I can successfully drag > and drop between the two controls. So the drag and drop code looks like it > works. > > My problem is, I want to have 3 generic routines like my TxtBoxDblClick > function, that I can add on the fly to the On Mouse Down/Up/Move events and > I can't figure out the syntax and/or code to make this happen. I can add the > custom Functions no problem, but I know I need to be able to deal with the > Button, Shift, X & Y parameters somehow. I can pass the control to the > custom function, but am unable to reference the Button, Shift, X & Y > parameters. I'm guessing I'll need to create some type of class possibly? If > so, can someone provide some sample code on how to do this what the calls > would be? Thanks for any ideas. John > > > From jbodin at sbor.com Sat Feb 9 09:34:53 2013 From: jbodin at sbor.com (John Bodin) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 10:34:53 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Generic Procedure on form controls for Drag and Drop In-Reply-To: <5116662A.80505@gmail.com> References: <01dd01ce049b$9ba99fb0$d2fcdf10$@sbor.com> <5116662A.80505@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001301ce06db$0291ff10$07b5fd30$@sbor.com> Hi John, The code I was looking at was from Smart Access January 2004 that references some old versions of Access, but the process seems to work. Dan Steele and others. Link to post with Zip file is here: http://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=221317 You can put a couple of Textboxes onto a form and then the sample code was assigned to the On Mouse Down/Up/Move. Code for those are below and below that are the two modules that do the work. Thanks for help! John ----------------- ' Event Procedures for TextBoxes '#################### Private Sub txtTextBox1_MouseDown(Button As Integer, Shift As Integer, X As Single, Y As Single) On Error GoTo Err_txtTextBox1_MouseDown StartDrag Me End_txtTextBox1_MouseDown: Exit Sub Err_txtTextBox1_MouseDown: MsgBox Err.Description & " (" & Err.Number & ") in " & _ Me.Name & ".txtTextBox1MouseDown", _ vbOKOnly + vbCritical, "Smart Access Answer Column" Resume End_txtTextBox1_MouseDown End Sub Private Sub txtTextBox1_MouseMove(Button As Integer, Shift As Integer, X As Single, Y As Single) On Error GoTo Err_txtTextBox1_MouseMove DetectDrop Me, Me!txtTextBox1, Button, Shift, X, Y End_txtTextBox1_MouseMove: Exit Sub Err_txtTextBox1_MouseMove: MsgBox Err.Description & " (" & Err.Number & ") in " & _ Me.Name & ".txtTextBox1_MouseMove", _ vbOKOnly & vbCritical, "Smart Access Answer Column" Resume End_txtTextBox1_MouseMove End Sub Private Sub txtTextBox1_MouseUp(Button As Integer, Shift As Integer, X As Single, Y As Single) On Error GoTo Err_txtTextBox1_MouseUp StopDrag End_txtTextBox1_MouseUp: Exit Sub Err_txtTextBox1_MouseUp: MsgBox Err.Description & " (" & Err.Number & ") in " & _ Me.Name & ".txtTextBox1MouseUp", _ vbOKOnly & vbCritical, "Smart Access Answer Column" Resume End_txtTextBox1_MouseUp End Sub '######################### 'mdlDragDrop '######################### Option Compare Database Option Explicit ' Based on code in Microsoft Knowledge Base Article 137650 ' ACC: How to Simulate Drag-And-Drop Capabilities ' http://support.microsoft.com/?id=137650 ' Declare module-specific variables. ' mfrmDragForm the form from which we're dragging the value ' mctlDragCtrl the control (on mfrmDragForm) from which we're dragging the value ' msngDropTime the timer information about when we dropped the value ' mbytCurrentMode what we're currently doing (Dropping or Dragging) ' This field should only have values NO_MODE, DROP_MODE or DRAG_MODE ' mbytDragQuantity whether we're dragging a single value, or multiple values ' This field should only have values NO_MODE, SINGLE_VALUE or MULTI_VALUE ' ' NOTE: Since this is being developed in Access 97, which does not support Enums, I've defined ' mbytCurrentMode and mintDragQuanity as bytes. If using a higher version that supports Enums, ' it might be more appropriate to change the domain of these two variables. Private mfrmDragForm As Form Private mctlDragCtrl As Control Private msngDropTime As Single Private mbytCurrentMode As Byte Private mbytDragQuantity As Byte Private Const MAX_DROP_TIME = 0.1 Private Const NO_MODE = 0 Private Const DROP_MODE = 1 Private Const DRAG_MODE = 2 Private Const SINGLE_VALUE = 1 Private Const MULTI_VALUE = 2 Sub StartDrag(SourceForm As Form) On Error GoTo Err_StartDrag ' This code was originally written by ' Doug Steele, MVP AccessHelp at rogers.com ' http://I.Am/DougSteele ' You are free to use it in any application ' provided the copyright notice is left unchanged. ' ' Description: This routine should be called from the MouseDown event of any ' control you want to have capable of being dragged. It sets ' some module-level variables to indicate that a Drop event ' has occurred. Note that, of the standard Access controls, only ' list boxes have a multi-select capability. If you're using other ' controls that support multi-select, change the code below accordingly. ' ' Inputs: SourceForm: The form containing the control being dragged. ' ' Returns: Nothing ' NOTE: You should not use Screen.ActiveForm in place of ' SourceForm because you may be dragging from a subform. Set mfrmDragForm = SourceForm Set mctlDragCtrl = Screen.ActiveControl mbytCurrentMode = DRAG_MODE If TypeOf mctlDragCtrl Is ListBox Then If mctlDragCtrl.ItemsSelected.Count > 1 Then mbytDragQuantity = MULTI_VALUE Else mbytDragQuantity = SINGLE_VALUE End If Else mbytDragQuantity = SINGLE_VALUE End If mfrmDragForm.SetFocus SetDragCursor End_StartDrag: Exit Sub Err_StartDrag: Err.Raise Err.Number, "StartDrag(" & SourceForm.Name & ")", Err.Description Resume End_StartDrag End Sub Sub StopDrag() On Error GoTo Err_StopDrag ' This code was originally written by ' Doug Steele, MVP AccessHelp at rogers.com ' http://I.Am/DougSteele ' You are free to use it in any application ' provided the copyright notice is left unchanged. ' ' Description: This routine should be called from the MouseUp event of any ' control you want to have capable of being dragged. It sets ' some module-level variables to indicate that a Drop event ' has occurred. ' ' Inputs: None ' ' Returns: Nothing mbytCurrentMode = DROP_MODE mbytDragQuantity = NO_MODE msngDropTime = Timer() SetDragCursor End_StopDrag: Exit Sub Err_StopDrag: Err.Raise Err.Number, "StopDrag", Err.Description Resume End_StopDrag End Sub Sub DetectDrop(DropForm As Form, _ DropCtrl As Control, _ Button As Integer, _ Shift As Integer, _ X As Single, _ Y As Single) On Error GoTo Err_DetectDrop ' This code was originally written by ' Doug Steele, MVP AccessHelp at rogers.com ' http://I.Am/DougSteele ' You are free to use it in any application ' provided the copyright notice is left unchanged. ' ' Description: This routine should be called from the MouseMove event of any ' control you want to be capable of being a target of a dragged ' control. ' ' Inputs: DropForm The form containing the control being dropped on ' DropCtrl The control (on form DropForm) being dropped on ' Button, Shift, X, Y The parameters associated with the MouseMove event ' ' Returns: Nothing ' If a drop hasn't happened, then exit. If mbytCurrentMode <> DROP_MODE Then SetDragCursor Exit Sub Else ' If you have a form with a control that set up for both Drag and Drop, ' it's possible to have a problem when you first open that form. ' Specifically, if the form opens with the cursor in that control, you ' can have a spurious MouseUp event that will have invoked StopDrag. ' In that case, though, there will not have been a MouseDown event that ' invoked StartDrag, so neither mfrmDragForm nor mctlDragCtrl will have ' been set. Check for that situation, just to avoid errors. If mfrmDragForm Is Nothing Then Exit Sub End If mbytCurrentMode = NO_MODE ' The timer interval lets us check how long it's been between the ' MouseUp event and the MouseMove event. This ensures that the ' MouseMove event does not invoke the Drop procedure unless it is ' the MouseMove event that Microsoft Access automatically fires for ' the Drop control following the MouseUp event of a drag control. ' Subsequent MouseMove events will fail the timer test and be ignored. If Timer - msngDropTime > MAX_DROP_TIME Then Exit Sub Else ' Did we drag/drop onto ourselves? If (mctlDragCtrl.Name <> DropCtrl.Name) Or _ (mfrmDragForm.hwnd <> DropForm.hwnd) Then ' If not, then a successful drag/drop occurred. ProcessDrop mfrmDragForm, mctlDragCtrl, DropForm, DropCtrl, Button, Shift, X, Y End If End If End If End_DetectDrop: Exit Sub Err_DetectDrop: Err.Raise Err.Number, "DetectDrop", Err.Description Resume End_DetectDrop End Sub Sub ProcessDrop(DragForm As Form, _ DragCtrl As Control, _ DropForm As Form, _ DropCtrl As Control, _ Button As Integer, _ Shift As Integer, _ X As Single, _ Y As Single) On Error GoTo Err_ProcessDrop ' This code was originally written by ' Doug Steele, MVP AccessHelp at rogers.com ' http://I.Am/DougSteele ' You are free to use it in any application ' provided the copyright notice is left unchanged. ' ' Description: This routine should be called from the DetectDrop event of any ' control you want to be capable of being a target of a dragged ' control. This is where everything happens! ' ' Inputs: DragForm The form containing the control being dragged ' DragCtrl The control (on form DragForm) being dragged ' DropForm The form containing the control being dropped on ' DropCtrl The control (on form DropForm) being dropped on ' Button, Shift, X, Y The parameters associated with the MouseMove event ' ' Returns: Nothing Dim ctlCurr As Control Dim strSelectedItems As String Dim varCurrItem As Variant If TypeOf DragCtrl Is ListBox Then ' To handle the processing for the listboxes on frmListBoxExample, we ' call another routine, rather than try to embed too much in this routine If DragForm.Name = "frmListBoxExample" Then ListBoxExample DragForm, DragCtrl, DropForm, DropCtrl, Button, Shift, X, Y Else If DragCtrl.ItemsSelected.Count > 0 Then For Each varCurrItem In DragCtrl.ItemsSelected strSelectedItems = strSelectedItems & DragCtrl.ItemData(varCurrItem) & ", " Next varCurrItem If Len(strSelectedItems) > 2 Then strSelectedItems = Left$(strSelectedItems, Len(strSelectedItems) - 2) End If DropCtrl = strSelectedItems Else DropCtrl = DragCtrl End If End If ElseIf TypeOf DragCtrl Is CheckBox Then ' Assume we only allow dropping check boxes onto text boxes or check boxes If TypeOf DropCtrl Is TextBox Then DropCtrl = IIf(DragCtrl, "True", "False") ElseIf TypeOf DropCtrl Is CheckBox Then DropCtrl = DragCtrl Else End If ElseIf TypeOf DragCtrl Is OptionGroup Then ' Assume we only allow dropping option groups onto text boxes If TypeOf DropCtrl Is TextBox Then Select Case DropCtrl.Name Case "txtTextBox1" DropCtrl = DragCtrl Case "txtTextBox2" DropCtrl = DragCtrl & ": " & ReturnSelectedOption(DragCtrl) Case Else End Select Else End If Else DropCtrl = DragCtrl End If End_ProcessDrop: Exit Sub Err_ProcessDrop: Err.Raise Err.Number, "ProcessDrop", Err.Description Resume End_ProcessDrop End Sub Sub SetDragCursor() On Error GoTo Err_SetDragCursor ' This code was originally written by ' Doug Steele, MVP AccessHelp at rogers.com ' http://I.Am/DougSteele ' You are free to use it in any application ' provided the copyright notice is left unchanged. ' ' Description: This routine sets the Mouse Cursor. The image set depends ' on the value of mbytDragQuantity (and whether or not the ' "special" icons are present on the workstation) ' mbytDragQuantity should have been set to either SINGLE_VALUE ' or MULTI_VALUE in the StartDrag routine. ' ' Inputs: None ' ' Returns: Nothing Dim strIconPath As String Dim strFolder As String ' This assumes that mbytDragQuantity having a value SINGLE_VALUE (1) will result ' in using the cursor DRAG1PG.ICO, while a value of MULTI_VALUE (2) will result ' in cursor DRAG2PG.ICO. A value of NO_MODE (0) for mbytDragQuantity will set the ' cursor to the Default cursor type. ' In my case, I've put the cursors in the same folder as the database. If you want them ' somewhere else, you'll have to change the method of assigning the path. ' If the icon files don't exist where I expect them to be, I'll just use the built-in ' IDC_CROSS icon. ' Oh, and before I forget, the reason SINGLE_VALUE and MULTI_VALUE aren't part of an Enum ' is because this was developed in Access 97, which doesn't support Enums. strFolder = CurrentDb().Name strFolder = Left$(strFolder, Len(strFolder) - Len(Dir(strFolder))) Select Case mbytDragQuantity Case NO_MODE Screen.MousePointer = 0 Case SINGLE_VALUE strIconPath = strFolder & "DRAG1PG.ICO" If Len(Dir$(strIconPath)) > 0 Then SetMouseCursorFromFile strIconPath Else SetMouseCursor IDC_CROSS End If Case MULTI_VALUE strIconPath = strFolder & "DRAG2PG.ICO" If Len(Dir$(strIconPath)) > 0 Then SetMouseCursorFromFile strIconPath Else SetMouseCursor IDC_CROSS End If Case Else Screen.MousePointer = 0 End Select End_SetDragCursor: Exit Sub Err_SetDragCursor: Err.Raise Err.Number, "SetDragCursor", Err.Description Resume End_SetDragCursor End Sub Sub ListBoxExample(DragForm As Form, _ DragCtrl As Control, _ DropForm As Form, _ DropCtrl As Control, _ Button As Integer, _ Shift As Integer, _ X As Single, _ Y As Single) On Error GoTo Err_ListBoxExample ' This code was originally written by ' Doug Steele, MVP AccessHelp at rogers.com ' http://I.Am/DougSteele ' You are free to use it in any application ' provided the copyright notice is left unchanged. ' ' Description: This routine should be called from the ProcessDrop procedure. ' It's used to handle dragging between the 2 list boxes on that form. ' ' Inputs: DragForm The form containing the control being dragged ' DragCtrl The control (on form DragForm) being dragged ' DropForm The form containing the control being dropped on ' DropCtrl The control (on form DropForm) being dropped on ' Button, Shift, X, Y The parameters associated with the MouseMove event ' ' Returns: Nothing Dim dbCurr As DAO.Database Dim strSQL As String Dim strMessage As String Dim strWhere As String Dim varCurrItem As Variant Set dbCurr = CurrentDb() strSQL = "UPDATE Customers SET Selected=" & _ IIf(DragCtrl.Name = "lstListBox1", "True", "False") If (Shift And acShiftMask) = 0 Then If DragCtrl.ItemsSelected.Count > 0 Then For Each varCurrItem In DragCtrl.ItemsSelected strWhere = strWhere & "'" & DragCtrl.ItemData(varCurrItem) & "', " Next varCurrItem If Len(strWhere) > 2 Then strWhere = " WHERE [CustomerID] IN (" & Left$(strWhere, Len(strWhere) - 2) & ")" End If Else strWhere = " WHERE [CustomerID] = '" & DragCtrl & "'" End If End If If Len(strWhere) > 0 Then strSQL = strSQL & strWhere End If dbCurr.Execute strSQL, dbFailOnError DragCtrl.Requery DropCtrl.Requery End_ListBoxExample: Set dbCurr = Nothing Exit Sub Err_ListBoxExample: Err.Raise Err.Number, "ListBoxExample", Err.Description Resume End_ListBoxExample End Sub '######################### 'mdlMousePointer '######################### Option Compare Database Option Explicit ' This mouse cursor code is from http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0044.htm ' Use SetMouseCursorFromFile along with a path to an .ICO file. ' Use SetMouseCursor along with one of the following constants: Public Const IDC_APPSTARTING As Long = 32650& Public Const IDC_HAND As Long = 32649& Public Const IDC_ARROW As Long = 32512& Public Const IDC_CROSS As Long = 32515& Public Const IDC_IBEAM As Long = 32513& Public Const IDC_ICON As Long = 32641& Public Const IDC_NO As Long = 32648& Public Const IDC_SIZE As Long = 32640& Public Const IDC_SIZEALL As Long = 32646& Public Const IDC_SIZENESW As Long = 32643& Public Const IDC_SIZENS As Long = 32645& Public Const IDC_SIZENWSE As Long = 32642& Public Const IDC_SIZEWE As Long = 32644& Public Const IDC_UPARROW As Long = 32516& Public Const IDC_WAIT As Long = 32514& Declare Function LoadCursorBynum Lib "user32" _ Alias "LoadCursorA" ( _ ByVal hInstance As Long, _ ByVal lpCursorName As Long _ ) As Long Declare Function LoadCursorFromFile Lib "user32" _ Alias "LoadCursorFromFileA" ( _ ByVal lpFileName As String _ ) As Long Declare Function SetCursor Lib "user32" ( _ ByVal hCursor As Long _ ) As Long Function SetMouseCursor(CursorType As Long) Dim lngRet As Long lngRet = LoadCursorBynum(0&, CursorType) lngRet = SetCursor(lngRet) End Function Function SetMouseCursorFromFile(strPathToCursor As String) Dim lngRet As Long lngRet = LoadCursorFromFile(strPathToCursor) lngRet = SetCursor(lngRet) End Function '####################### -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 10:07 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Generic Procedure on form controls for Drag and Drop John, Paste the code in this email thread which allows the drag and drop to work. I will look at moving the code into a class solution and return a demo. John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/6/2013 1:55 PM, John Bodin wrote: > Hello, > > > > New to this list and need some guidance on a form I've developed (I > posted this on LinkedIn and got a few links with good information, but > still having issues). > > > > I have a grid of many text boxes on a form in an Access 2003 app that > I fill from a table upon opening the form as well as when the user > changes a date box. I add some generic procedure calls on the fly to > each text box where I pass the control to the generic function (for > instance, I'll add a double-click event to text box "Txt101" as > "=TxtBoxDblClick([Txt101])". This will pass the control to my function > TxtBoxDblClick so I can react to it.) This all works fine for all text > boxes and I reference just one (same) routine for each control. > > I'm trying to experiment with Drag and Drop and found some code that I > can get to work if at Design time, I add three event procedures to a > text box control (Mouse Down/Up/Move). If I do this to two different > controls, creating 3 event procedures for each at design time, I can > successfully drag and drop between the two controls. So the drag and > drop code looks like it works. > > My problem is, I want to have 3 generic routines like my > TxtBoxDblClick function, that I can add on the fly to the On Mouse > Down/Up/Move events and I can't figure out the syntax and/or code to > make this happen. I can add the custom Functions no problem, but I > know I need to be able to deal with the Button, Shift, X & Y > parameters somehow. I can pass the control to the custom function, but > am unable to reference the Button, Shift, X & Y parameters. I'm > guessing I'll need to create some type of class possibly? If so, can > someone provide some sample code on how to do this what the calls > would be? Thanks for any ideas. John > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Sat Feb 9 09:43:38 2013 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 09:43:38 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft's information - Custom Classes and Objects In-Reply-To: <511473EE.1030007@gmail.com> References: <511473EE.1030007@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you John! GK On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 9:41 PM, John W Colby wrote: > This is actually quite good if a bit disjointed. I find the format hard to > navigate or stay on track with. YMMV of course. > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/aa140954(v=office.10).aspx > > I am going to write a more "down home" blog on the subject, complete with > example code and stuff. The nice thing about my blog is that you can go > there, make comments and get your questions answered and the questions > folded back in to the content. > > I already have a bunch of stuff written so I will be publishing that over > the coming weeks. It is requiring some heavy editing however so it will > take a little time. > > http://jwcolby.blogspot.com/ > > > > -- > John W. Colby > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From marksimms at verizon.net Sat Feb 9 10:04:31 2013 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2013 11:04:31 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Access Application Obtaining Data from Excel - Another User Has Excel File Opened In-Reply-To: References: , <00d101ce0633$358a06e0$a09e14a0$@sbor.com><51156221.15810.4371D17@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <000001ce0642$9e0096d0$da01c470$@sbor.com> Message-ID: <000001ce06df$265a0330$730e0990$@net> Just insure all cells are Locked on that worksheet and then pass-word protect it. If the user must make changes, unlock the sheet via a Form's button or check box setting. Keep the form up in vbModeLess mode.....and when it is closed, then pass-word protect the sheet again. This will effectively keep the sheet in a ReadOnly state most of the time. > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd- > bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 4:27 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Access Application Obtaining Data from Excel - > Another User Has Excel File Opened > > All, > > I am struggling with a small Access 2007 application that obtains data > from an Excel file. > > The Excel file is defined as a Linked Table in Access. There is a > single query which is used via Record Set processing. > > The data is returned perfectly when no one else is using the Excel > file. > > If another user is looking at the Excel file but has not clicked on any > cells, the data is returned to Access properly. > > However, if another user has the Excel file opened and has clicked on a > cell, the Access application runs into a problem. > > The Access VBA code that does the Record Set processing has error > handling code, but the error that is returned is not trapped by the > error handling code. Instead a message is shown that says "This action > cannot be completed because the Microsoft Excel - (the Excel file name) > is busy. > > I would like to either be able to catch this error with the normal > error > handling code > > Or > > Invoke some sort of routine to determine if the Excel file is tied up > before trying to obtain the data via Access. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > Brad > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From BradM at blackforestltd.com Sat Feb 9 11:18:51 2013 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 11:18:51 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Access Application Obtaining Data from Excel -Another User Has Excel File Opened References: , <00d101ce0633$358a06e0$a09e14a0$@sbor.com><51156221.15810.4371D17@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><000001ce0642$9e0096d0$da01c470$@sbor.com> <000001ce06df$265a0330$730e0990$@net> Message-ID: Mark, Thanks for sharing your ideas. In the situation that I am dealing with, the users control the Excel file and they update it several times per day. The Access application that I am working on simply needs to read the data from the Excel file. I believe that your approach will work in some situations but I don't think that I will be able to lock cells or password protect the file in this case. Thanks, Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Mark Simms Sent: Sat 2/9/2013 10:04 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application Obtaining Data from Excel -Another User Has Excel File Opened Just insure all cells are Locked on that worksheet and then pass-word protect it. If the user must make changes, unlock the sheet via a Form's button or check box setting. Keep the form up in vbModeLess mode.....and when it is closed, then pass-word protect the sheet again. This will effectively keep the sheet in a ReadOnly state most of the time. > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd- > bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 4:27 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Access Application Obtaining Data from Excel - > Another User Has Excel File Opened > > All, > > I am struggling with a small Access 2007 application that obtains data > from an Excel file. > > The Excel file is defined as a Linked Table in Access. There is a > single query which is used via Record Set processing. > > The data is returned perfectly when no one else is using the Excel > file. > > If another user is looking at the Excel file but has not clicked on any > cells, the data is returned to Access properly. > > However, if another user has the Excel file opened and has clicked on a > cell, the Access application runs into a problem. > > The Access VBA code that does the Record Set processing has error > handling code, but the error that is returned is not trapped by the > error handling code. Instead a message is shown that says "This action > cannot be completed because the Microsoft Excel - (the Excel file name) > is busy. > > I would like to either be able to catch this error with the normal > error > handling code > > Or > > Invoke some sort of routine to determine if the Excel file is tied up > before trying to obtain the data via Access. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > Brad > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Sat Feb 9 11:45:28 2013 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 17:45:28 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Access Application Obtaining Data from Excel-Another User Has Excel File Opened References: , <00d101ce0633$358a06e0$a09e14a0$@sbor.com><51156221.15810.4371D17@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><000001ce0642$9e0096d0$da01c470$@sbor.com><000001ce06df$265a0330$730e0990$@net> Message-ID: <9F0F5A2629834C76A0711B95E7ACDCCE@jamesc319792ae> Considering the many problems with Excel's multiple use controls, and reccomendations from experienced eople that it should not be used, it may be politic, and appropriate to setup a facility where the data is held in Access, and SQL selected from the Access tables into an Excel environment, with updates done by passing change requests back to Access having got them via an Excel form, or change-event processing macro. That way the data will be held safely, securely, and with an indication as to who did what. and control for an appropriate management of mulltiple updates by different users to the same data entry In addition to the last saver getting to choose to keep someone-else's update, or their own, (As in - both users added to the 'sold' target - but Excel will only allow 1 set of 'sales' to be saved!) - A bulk delete of sheets of data in the Excel environment will result in the data being missing, and little chance a day or two later of identifying who-dun-it, or even what, exactly are the values that have been deleted. JimB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Marks" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application Obtaining Data from Excel-Another User Has Excel File Opened Mark, Thanks for sharing your ideas. In the situation that I am dealing with, the users control the Excel file and they update it several times per day. The Access application that I am working on simply needs to read the data from the Excel file. I believe that your approach will work in some situations but I don't think that I will be able to lock cells or password protect the file in this case. Thanks, Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Mark Simms Sent: Sat 2/9/2013 10:04 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application Obtaining Data from Excel -Another User Has Excel File Opened Just insure all cells are Locked on that worksheet and then pass-word protect it. If the user must make changes, unlock the sheet via a Form's button or check box setting. Keep the form up in vbModeLess mode.....and when it is closed, then pass-word protect the sheet again. This will effectively keep the sheet in a ReadOnly state most of the time. > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd- > bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 4:27 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Access Application Obtaining Data from Excel - > Another User Has Excel File Opened > > All, > > I am struggling with a small Access 2007 application that obtains data > from an Excel file. > > The Excel file is defined as a Linked Table in Access. There is a > single query which is used via Record Set processing. > > The data is returned perfectly when no one else is using the Excel > file. > > If another user is looking at the Excel file but has not clicked on any > cells, the data is returned to Access properly. > > However, if another user has the Excel file opened and has clicked on a > cell, the Access application runs into a problem. > > The Access VBA code that does the Record Set processing has error > handling code, but the error that is returned is not trapped by the > error handling code. Instead a message is shown that says "This action > cannot be completed because the Microsoft Excel - (the Excel file name) > is busy. > > I would like to either be able to catch this error with the normal > error > handling code > > Or > > Invoke some sort of routine to determine if the Excel file is tied up > before trying to obtain the data via Access. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > Brad > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sat Feb 9 15:10:25 2013 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2013 16:10:25 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534414151@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <007e01ce0580$d014f430$703edc90$@winhaven.net> <51142D90.5070707@gmail.com> <00e001ce05c1$ccfeca00$66fc5e00$@winhaven.net> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534414151@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <5116BB41.8040107@torchlake.com> Yeah, just like deer! :-) T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 2/8/2013 1:12 AM, Darryl Collins wrote: > Can't imagine hitting a deer in a car at speed would be much fun. I know how much damage a Kangaroo can do... Kangaroos are silly things, often jumping out in front of the car rather than hopping back away from the road. Hmmmmm... > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Friday, 8 February 2013 5:02 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages > > We have deer that cross main st here every night. No deer crossing sign. > They do look up the road as if they're looking for traffic before crossing! > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 7:56 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] I am still not seeing messages > > Hey, she stole my idea!! I've been yelling about deer crossings for years! > Deer are really cavalier about those crossings too. Do they check for cars first? NOoooo! They just hoof it across assuming the drivers will notice the signs. > > Charlotte > From marksimms at verizon.net Sat Feb 9 15:53:04 2013 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2013 16:53:04 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Access Application Obtaining Data from Excel -Another User Has Excel File Opened In-Reply-To: References: , <00d101ce0633$358a06e0$a09e14a0$@sbor.com><51156221.15810.4371D17@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><000001ce0642$9e0096d0$da01c470$@sbor.com> <000001ce06df$265a0330$730e0990$@net> Message-ID: <004501ce070f$d727d9a0$85778ce0$@net> Ah...a better solution given this is situation to detect when critical sheet changes are made and then save an entire COPY of the workbook when that occurs. Then set that file's attributes to Hidden and ReadOnly. This will require some coding on the Excel side. Alternatively, you could do this via OLE automation from Access...just open their workbook ReadOnly and then save it out hidden from their view. Now I wonder: Can't you just do a File Copy here ? > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd- > bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 12:19 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application Obtaining Data from Excel - > Another User Has Excel File Opened > > Mark, > > Thanks for sharing your ideas. > > In the situation that I am dealing with, the users control the Excel > file and they update it several times per day. The Access application > that I am working on simply needs to read the data from the Excel file. > > I believe that your approach will work in some situations but I don't > think that I will be able to lock cells or password protect the file in > this case. > > Thanks, > > Brad > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Mark Simms > Sent: Sat 2/9/2013 10:04 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application Obtaining Data from Excel - > Another User Has Excel File Opened > > Just insure all cells are Locked on that worksheet and then pass-word > protect it. > If the user must make changes, unlock the sheet via a Form's button or > check box setting. > Keep the form up in vbModeLess mode.....and when it is closed, then > pass-word protect the sheet again. > This will effectively keep the sheet in a ReadOnly state most of the > time. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd- > > bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks > > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 4:27 PM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: [AccessD] Access Application Obtaining Data from Excel - > > Another User Has Excel File Opened > > > > All, > > > > I am struggling with a small Access 2007 application that obtains > data > > from an Excel file. > > > > The Excel file is defined as a Linked Table in Access. There is a > > single query which is used via Record Set processing. > > > > The data is returned perfectly when no one else is using the Excel > > file. > > > > If another user is looking at the Excel file but has not clicked on > > any cells, the data is returned to Access properly. > > > > However, if another user has the Excel file opened and has clicked on > > a cell, the Access application runs into a problem. > > > > The Access VBA code that does the Record Set processing has error > > handling code, but the error that is returned is not trapped by the > > error handling code. Instead a message is shown that says "This > > action cannot be completed because the Microsoft Excel - (the Excel > > file name) is busy. > > > > I would like to either be able to catch this error with the normal > > error handling code > > > > Or > > > > Invoke some sort of routine to determine if the Excel file is tied up > > before trying to obtain the data via Access. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Thanks, > > Brad > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by > MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Feb 10 12:00:19 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 13:00:19 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Morning smile Message-ID: Sometimes the silliest jokes are the funniest. I've been giggling over this one for a while now. I heard it on cbc radio this morning. A Canadian World War II pilot was shot down over Holland. As his burning plane dove toward the ground he lost consciousness. Later he awoke to find himself, a couple of limbs in suspended casts and the most of the rest in bandages. A nurse was gazing at him. "Did I come here to die?" he asked. "No," she replied in a thick Australian accent. "You came here yesterday." Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Feb 10 14:12:54 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 12:12:54 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Morning smile In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Arthur: :-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 10:00 AM To: Peter Brawley Subject: [AccessD] Morning smile Sometimes the silliest jokes are the funniest. I've been giggling over this one for a while now. I heard it on cbc radio this morning. A Canadian World War II pilot was shot down over Holland. As his burning plane dove toward the ground he lost consciousness. Later he awoke to find himself, a couple of limbs in suspended casts and the most of the rest in bandages. A nurse was gazing at him. "Did I come here to die?" he asked. "No," she replied in a thick Australian accent. "You came here yesterday." Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From df.waters at comcast.net Sun Feb 10 14:51:59 2013 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 14:51:59 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Morning smile In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001401ce07d0$78c80710$6a581530$@comcast.net> OK - this looks like it would be funny if I could get it. Is there a place called Holland in Australia? Does this have something to do with 'down under'? Maybe you have to not be an American to understand? Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 12:00 PM To: Peter Brawley Subject: [AccessD] Morning smile Sometimes the silliest jokes are the funniest. I've been giggling over this one for a while now. I heard it on cbc radio this morning. A Canadian World War II pilot was shot down over Holland. As his burning plane dove toward the ground he lost consciousness. Later he awoke to find himself, a couple of limbs in suspended casts and the most of the rest in bandages. A nurse was gazing at him. "Did I come here to die?" he asked. "No," she replied in a thick Australian accent. "You came here yesterday." Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com Sun Feb 10 16:21:43 2013 From: davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com (David A. Gibson) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 16:21:43 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Morning smile In-Reply-To: <001401ce07d0$78c80710$6a581530$@comcast.net> References: <001401ce07d0$78c80710$6a581530$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <00d401ce07dd$022f3c60$068db520$@gmail.com> I think the joke is in the Aussie pronunciation of the word "today." David Gibson -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 2:52 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Morning smile OK - this looks like it would be funny if I could get it. Is there a place called Holland in Australia? Does this have something to do with 'down under'? Maybe you have to not be an American to understand? Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 12:00 PM To: Peter Brawley Subject: [AccessD] Morning smile Sometimes the silliest jokes are the funniest. I've been giggling over this one for a while now. I heard it on cbc radio this morning. A Canadian World War II pilot was shot down over Holland. As his burning plane dove toward the ground he lost consciousness. Later he awoke to find himself, a couple of limbs in suspended casts and the most of the rest in bandages. A nurse was gazing at him. "Did I come here to die?" he asked. "No," she replied in a thick Australian accent. "You came here yesterday." Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Feb 10 16:27:18 2013 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 22:27:18 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Morning smile References: <001401ce07d0$78c80710$6a581530$@comcast.net> <00d401ce07dd$022f3c60$068db520$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Wouldn't it have to (logically) be the Canadian's accent? JimB ----- Original Message ----- From: "David A. Gibson" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Morning smile >I think the joke is in the Aussie pronunciation of the word "today." > > David Gibson > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 2:52 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Morning smile > > OK - this looks like it would be funny if I could get it. Is there a > place > called Holland in Australia? Does this have something to do with 'down > under'? Maybe you have to not be an American to understand? > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 12:00 PM > To: Peter Brawley > Subject: [AccessD] Morning smile > > Sometimes the silliest jokes are the funniest. I've been giggling over > this > one for a while now. I heard it on cbc radio this morning. > > A Canadian World War II pilot was shot down over Holland. As his burning > plane dove toward the ground he lost consciousness. Later he awoke to find > himself, a couple of limbs in suspended casts and the most of the rest in > bandages. A nurse was gazing at him. > > "Did I come here to die?" he asked. > "No," she replied in a thick Australian accent. "You came here yesterday." > > Arthur > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Sun Feb 10 17:50:57 2013 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 17:50:57 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Morning smile In-Reply-To: <001401ce07d0$78c80710$6a581530$@comcast.net> References: <001401ce07d0$78c80710$6a581530$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000601ce07e9$78f7e750$6ae7b5f0$@winhaven.net> I'm not sure if Australian commonwealth troops participated in the northern European theater of WWII. I know they were in the N. African theater. Maybe Holland should be replaced by "New Holland". Then it would at least be in the same hemisphere as Australia. Oh, well, I chuckled anyway :-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 2:52 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Morning smile OK - this looks like it would be funny if I could get it. Is there a place called Holland in Australia? Does this have something to do with 'down under'? Maybe you have to not be an American to understand? Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 12:00 PM To: Peter Brawley Subject: [AccessD] Morning smile Sometimes the silliest jokes are the funniest. I've been giggling over this one for a while now. I heard it on cbc radio this morning. A Canadian World War II pilot was shot down over Holland. As his burning plane dove toward the ground he lost consciousness. Later he awoke to find himself, a couple of limbs in suspended casts and the most of the rest in bandages. A nurse was gazing at him. "Did I come here to die?" he asked. "No," she replied in a thick Australian accent. "You came here yesterday." Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Feb 10 18:25:20 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 16:25:20 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Morning smile In-Reply-To: <000601ce07e9$78f7e750$6ae7b5f0$@winhaven.net> References: <001401ce07d0$78c80710$6a581530$@comcast.net> <000601ce07e9$78f7e750$6ae7b5f0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <7E37ADB901474CB4BBC641B36BC614C9@HAL9007> Perhaps we're overthinking this, gentlemen? R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 3:51 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Morning smile I'm not sure if Australian commonwealth troops participated in the northern European theater of WWII. I know they were in the N. African theater. Maybe Holland should be replaced by "New Holland". Then it would at least be in the same hemisphere as Australia. Oh, well, I chuckled anyway :-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 2:52 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Morning smile OK - this looks like it would be funny if I could get it. Is there a place called Holland in Australia? Does this have something to do with 'down under'? Maybe you have to not be an American to understand? Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 12:00 PM To: Peter Brawley Subject: [AccessD] Morning smile Sometimes the silliest jokes are the funniest. I've been giggling over this one for a while now. I heard it on cbc radio this morning. A Canadian World War II pilot was shot down over Holland. As his burning plane dove toward the ground he lost consciousness. Later he awoke to find himself, a couple of limbs in suspended casts and the most of the rest in bandages. A nurse was gazing at him. "Did I come here to die?" he asked. "No," she replied in a thick Australian accent. "You came here yesterday." Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Feb 10 19:04:03 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 20:04:03 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Morning smile In-Reply-To: <7E37ADB901474CB4BBC641B36BC614C9@HAL9007> References: <001401ce07d0$78c80710$6a581530$@comcast.net> <000601ce07e9$78f7e750$6ae7b5f0$@winhaven.net> <7E37ADB901474CB4BBC641B36BC614C9@HAL9007> Message-ID: There were no Aussie troops there, you're right. But there *were* nurses from numerous nations. A. From steve at goodhall.info Sun Feb 10 20:07:58 2013 From: steve at goodhall.info (Steve Goodhall) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 21:07:58 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Morning smile In-Reply-To: <000601ce07e9$78f7e750$6ae7b5f0$@winhaven.net> References: <001401ce07d0$78c80710$6a581530$@comcast.net> <000601ce07e9$78f7e750$6ae7b5f0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <94bba7b7-645f-40b6-b0f3-a3fce2a85174@blur> I know that ANZAC troops fought in Greece during WWII. Not sure about Northern Europe. Steve Goodhall -----Original message----- From: John Bartow To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Sun, Feb 10, 2013 23:51:52 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Morning smile I'm not sure if Australian commonwealth troops participated in the northern European theater of WWII. I know they were in the N. African theater. Maybe Holland should be replaced by "New Holland". Then it would at least be in the same hemisphere as Australia. Oh, well, I chuckled anyway :-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 2:52 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Morning smile OK - this looks like it would be funny if I could get it. Is there a place called Holland in Australia? Does this have something to do with 'down under'? Maybe you have to not be an American to understand? Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 12:00 PM To: Peter Brawley Subject: [AccessD] Morning smile Sometimes the silliest jokes are the funniest. I've been giggling over this one for a while now. I heard it on cbc radio this morning. A Canadian World War II pilot was shot down over Holland. As his burning plane dove toward the ground he lost consciousness. Later he awoke to find himself, a couple of limbs in suspended casts and the most of the rest in bandages. A nurse was gazing at him. "Did I come here to die?" he asked. "No," she replied in a thick Australian accent. "You came here yesterday." Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Feb 10 21:20:40 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 13:20:40 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Morning smile In-Reply-To: <94bba7b7-645f-40b6-b0f3-a3fce2a85174@blur> References: , <000601ce07e9$78f7e750$6ae7b5f0$@winhaven.net>, <94bba7b7-645f-40b6-b0f3-a3fce2a85174@blur> Message-ID: <51186388.15334.FF47BF6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Wikipedia: The RAAF's role in the strategic air offensive in Europe formed Australia's main contribution to the defeat of Germany.[57] Approximately 13,000 Australian airmen served in dozens of British and five Australian squadrons in RAF Bomber Command between 1940 and the end of the war.[57] There was not a distinctive Australian contribution to this campaign, however, as most Australians served in British squadrons and the Australian bomber squadrons were part of RAF units On 10 Feb 2013 at 21:07, Steve Goodhall wrote: > I know that ANZAC troops fought in Greece during WWII. Not sure about > Northern Europe. > > Steve Goodhall > > -----Original message----- > From: John Bartow > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Sent: Sun, Feb 10, 2013 23:51:52 GMT+00:00 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Morning smile > > I'm not sure if Australian commonwealth troops participated in the northern > European theater of WWII. I know they were in the N. African theater. > > Maybe Holland should be replaced by "New Holland". Then it would at least be > in the same hemisphere as Australia. > > Oh, well, I chuckled anyway :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 2:52 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Morning smile > > OK - this looks like it would be funny if I could get it. Is there a place > called Holland in Australia? Does this have something to do with 'down > under'? Maybe you have to not be an American to understand? > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 12:00 PM > To: Peter Brawley > Subject: [AccessD] Morning smile > > Sometimes the silliest jokes are the funniest. I've been giggling over this > one for a while now. I heard it on cbc radio this morning. > > A Canadian World War II pilot was shot down over Holland. As his burning > plane dove toward the ground he lost consciousness. Later he awoke to find > himself, a couple of limbs in suspended casts and the most of the rest in > bandages. A nurse was gazing at him. > > "Did I come here to die?" he asked. > "No," she replied in a thick Australian accent. "You came here yesterday." > > Arthur > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Feb 10 23:02:53 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 21:02:53 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Morning smile In-Reply-To: <94bba7b7-645f-40b6-b0f3-a3fce2a85174@blur> References: <001401ce07d0$78c80710$6a581530$@comcast.net><000601ce07e9$78f7e750$6ae7b5f0$@winhaven.net> <94bba7b7-645f-40b6-b0f3-a3fce2a85174@blur> Message-ID: <5CFF12E2BF81493ABE1506C0EFE19743@HAL9007> It was a joke! A JOKE! You think Dilbert is a documentary? G'day mate. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Goodhall Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 6:08 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Morning smile I know that ANZAC troops fought in Greece during WWII. Not sure about Northern Europe. Steve Goodhall -----Original message----- From: John Bartow To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Sun, Feb 10, 2013 23:51:52 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Morning smile I'm not sure if Australian commonwealth troops participated in the northern European theater of WWII. I know they were in the N. African theater. Maybe Holland should be replaced by "New Holland". Then it would at least be in the same hemisphere as Australia. Oh, well, I chuckled anyway :-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 2:52 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Morning smile OK - this looks like it would be funny if I could get it. Is there a place called Holland in Australia? Does this have something to do with 'down under'? Maybe you have to not be an American to understand? Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 12:00 PM To: Peter Brawley Subject: [AccessD] Morning smile Sometimes the silliest jokes are the funniest. I've been giggling over this one for a while now. I heard it on cbc radio this morning. A Canadian World War II pilot was shot down over Holland. As his burning plane dove toward the ground he lost consciousness. Later he awoke to find himself, a couple of limbs in suspended casts and the most of the rest in bandages. A nurse was gazing at him. "Did I come here to die?" he asked. "No," she replied in a thick Australian accent. "You came here yesterday." Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Feb 10 23:09:38 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 21:09:38 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Morning smile In-Reply-To: <51186388.15334.FF47BF6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <000601ce07e9$78f7e750$6ae7b5f0$@winhaven.net>, <94bba7b7-645f-40b6-b0f3-a3fce2a85174@blur> <51186388.15334.FF47BF6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: So...the joke works, then? R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 7:21 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Morning smile Wikipedia: The RAAF's role in the strategic air offensive in Europe formed Australia's main contribution to the defeat of Germany.[57] Approximately 13,000 Australian airmen served in dozens of British and five Australian squadrons in RAF Bomber Command between 1940 and the end of the war.[57] There was not a distinctive Australian contribution to this campaign, however, as most Australians served in British squadrons and the Australian bomber squadrons were part of RAF units On 10 Feb 2013 at 21:07, Steve Goodhall wrote: > I know that ANZAC troops fought in Greece during WWII. Not sure about > Northern Europe. > > Steve Goodhall > > -----Original message----- > From: John Bartow > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Sent: Sun, Feb 10, 2013 23:51:52 GMT+00:00 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Morning smile > > I'm not sure if Australian commonwealth troops participated in the > northern European theater of WWII. I know they were in the N. African theater. > > Maybe Holland should be replaced by "New Holland". Then it would at > least be in the same hemisphere as Australia. > > Oh, well, I chuckled anyway :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 2:52 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Morning smile > > OK - this looks like it would be funny if I could get it. Is there a > place called Holland in Australia? Does this have something to do > with 'down under'? Maybe you have to not be an American to understand? > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 12:00 PM > To: Peter Brawley > Subject: [AccessD] Morning smile > > Sometimes the silliest jokes are the funniest. I've been giggling over > this one for a while now. I heard it on cbc radio this morning. > > A Canadian World War II pilot was shot down over Holland. As his > burning plane dove toward the ground he lost consciousness. Later he > awoke to find himself, a couple of limbs in suspended casts and the > most of the rest in bandages. A nurse was gazing at him. > > "Did I come here to die?" he asked. > "No," she replied in a thick Australian accent. "You came here yesterday." > > Arthur > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Feb 10 23:09:45 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 15:09:45 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Morning smile In-Reply-To: <5CFF12E2BF81493ABE1506C0EFE19743@HAL9007> References: , <94bba7b7-645f-40b6-b0f3-a3fce2a85174@blur>, <5CFF12E2BF81493ABE1506C0EFE19743@HAL9007> Message-ID: <51187D19.10134.10585890@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> It's just another case of thread drift. As the old saying goes, "Don't sweat the petty things"* And from what I've seen over the years in some organisationa, Dilbert IS a documentary :-) -- Stuart * Instead, pet the sweaty things On 10 Feb 2013 at 21:02, Rocky Smolin wrote: > It was a joke! A JOKE! You think Dilbert is a documentary? G'day mate. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Goodhall > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 6:08 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Morning smile > > I know that ANZAC troops fought in Greece during WWII. Not sure about > Northern Europe. > > Steve Goodhall > > -----Original message----- > From: John Bartow > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Sent: Sun, Feb 10, 2013 23:51:52 GMT+00:00 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Morning smile > > I'm not sure if Australian commonwealth troops participated in the northern > European theater of WWII. I know they were in the N. African theater. > > Maybe Holland should be replaced by "New Holland". Then it would at least be > in the same hemisphere as Australia. > > Oh, well, I chuckled anyway :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 2:52 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Morning smile > > OK - this looks like it would be funny if I could get it. Is there a place > called Holland in Australia? Does this have something to do with 'down > under'? Maybe you have to not be an American to understand? > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 12:00 PM > To: Peter Brawley > Subject: [AccessD] Morning smile > > Sometimes the silliest jokes are the funniest. I've been giggling over this > one for a while now. I heard it on cbc radio this morning. > > A Canadian World War II pilot was shot down over Holland. As his burning > plane dove toward the ground he lost consciousness. Later he awoke to find > himself, a couple of limbs in suspended casts and the most of the rest in > bandages. A nurse was gazing at him. > > "Did I come here to die?" he asked. > "No," she replied in a thick Australian accent. "You came here yesterday." > > Arthur > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From john at winhaven.net Sun Feb 10 23:35:30 2013 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 23:35:30 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Morning smile In-Reply-To: <51187D19.10134.10585890@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <94bba7b7-645f-40b6-b0f3-a3fce2a85174@blur>, <5CFF12E2BF81493ABE1506C0EFE19743@HAL9007> <51187D19.10134.10585890@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <005001ce0819$9ad75150$d085f3f0$@winhaven.net> When I worked for the county office Dilbert was reality. I kept a copy of the first Dilbert book on my shelf and referred to it as the "employee handbook" :-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 11:10 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Morning smile It's just another case of thread drift. As the old saying goes, "Don't sweat the petty things"* And from what I've seen over the years in some organisationa, Dilbert IS a documentary :-) -- Stuart * Instead, pet the sweaty things On 10 Feb 2013 at 21:02, Rocky Smolin wrote: > It was a joke! A JOKE! You think Dilbert is a documentary? G'day mate. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Goodhall > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 6:08 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Morning smile > > I know that ANZAC troops fought in Greece during WWII. Not sure about > Northern Europe. > > Steve Goodhall > > -----Original message----- > From: John Bartow > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Sent: Sun, Feb 10, 2013 23:51:52 GMT+00:00 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Morning smile > > I'm not sure if Australian commonwealth troops participated in the northern > European theater of WWII. I know they were in the N. African theater. > > Maybe Holland should be replaced by "New Holland". Then it would at least be > in the same hemisphere as Australia. > > Oh, well, I chuckled anyway :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 2:52 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Morning smile > > OK - this looks like it would be funny if I could get it. Is there a place > called Holland in Australia? Does this have something to do with 'down > under'? Maybe you have to not be an American to understand? > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 12:00 PM > To: Peter Brawley > Subject: [AccessD] Morning smile > > Sometimes the silliest jokes are the funniest. I've been giggling over this > one for a while now. I heard it on cbc radio this morning. > > A Canadian World War II pilot was shot down over Holland. As his burning > plane dove toward the ground he lost consciousness. Later he awoke to find > himself, a couple of limbs in suspended casts and the most of the rest in > bandages. A nurse was gazing at him. > > "Did I come here to die?" he asked. > "No," she replied in a thick Australian accent. "You came here yesterday." > > Arthur > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Feb 11 04:01:43 2013 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 10:01:43 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Morning smile References: , <94bba7b7-645f-40b6-b0f3-a3fce2a85174@blur>, <5CFF12E2BF81493ABE1506C0EFE19743@HAL9007><51187D19.10134.10585890@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <005001ce0819$9ad75150$d085f3f0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Working for 'Local Government' as an IT Systems support techy, I was ordered to remove the Dilbert calendar from my desk, and then from my working area. The manager considered it was an unacceptable jibe against him (Him with the permed hairstyle, and questions like - "If I say save a file will it delete an earlier version".) JimB Oh! and the OP joke - Wasn't it a Canadian who crashed in Holland and was 'nursed' by an Australian! Then again this is a tech forum - er, it is, isn't it? ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 5:35 AM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Morning smile > When I worked for the county office Dilbert was reality. > > I kept a copy of the first Dilbert book on my shelf and referred to it as > the "employee handbook" :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart > McLachlan > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 11:10 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Morning smile > > It's just another case of thread drift. As the old saying goes, "Don't > sweat the petty things"* > > And from what I've seen over the years in some organisationa, Dilbert IS a > documentary :-) > > > -- > Stuart > > > * Instead, pet the sweaty things > > > On 10 Feb 2013 at 21:02, Rocky Smolin wrote: > >> It was a joke! A JOKE! You think Dilbert is a documentary? G'day mate. >> >> R >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Goodhall >> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 6:08 PM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Morning smile >> >> I know that ANZAC troops fought in Greece during WWII. Not sure about >> Northern Europe. >> >> Steve Goodhall >> >> -----Original message----- >> From: John Bartow >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >> >> Sent: Sun, Feb 10, 2013 23:51:52 GMT+00:00 >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Morning smile >> >> I'm not sure if Australian commonwealth troops participated in the > northern >> European theater of WWII. I know they were in the N. African theater. >> >> Maybe Holland should be replaced by "New Holland". Then it would at least > be >> in the same hemisphere as Australia. >> >> Oh, well, I chuckled anyway :-) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters >> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 2:52 PM >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Morning smile >> >> OK - this looks like it would be funny if I could get it. Is there a > place >> called Holland in Australia? Does this have something to do with 'down >> under'? Maybe you have to not be an American to understand? >> >> Dan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller >> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 12:00 PM >> To: Peter Brawley >> Subject: [AccessD] Morning smile >> >> Sometimes the silliest jokes are the funniest. I've been giggling over > this >> one for a while now. I heard it on cbc radio this morning. >> >> A Canadian World War II pilot was shot down over Holland. As his burning >> plane dove toward the ground he lost consciousness. Later he awoke to >> find >> himself, a couple of limbs in suspended casts and the most of the rest in >> bandages. A nurse was gazing at him. >> >> "Did I come here to die?" he asked. >> "No," she replied in a thick Australian accent. "You came here >> yesterday." >> >> Arthur >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From BradM at blackforestltd.com Mon Feb 11 08:07:20 2013 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 08:07:20 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Access Application Obtaining Data fromExcel -Another User Has Excel File Opened References: , <00d101ce0633$358a06e0$a09e14a0$@sbor.com><51156221.15810.4371D17@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><000001ce0642$9e0096d0$da01c470$@sbor.com><000001ce06df$265a0330$730e0990$@net> <004501ce070f$d727d9a0$85778ce0$@net> Message-ID: All, Thanks to everyone who posted their ideas and insights on this problem. I now have several more potential approaches for future Access/Excel adventures. For the current problem that I am dealing with, it looks like simply making a copy of the Excel file before the data is read (via an Access linked table), will work just fine. Thanks again, Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Mark Simms Sent: Sat 2/9/2013 3:53 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application Obtaining Data fromExcel -Another User Has Excel File Opened Ah...a better solution given this is situation to detect when critical sheet changes are made and then save an entire COPY of the workbook when that occurs. Then set that file's attributes to Hidden and ReadOnly. This will require some coding on the Excel side. Alternatively, you could do this via OLE automation from Access...just open their workbook ReadOnly and then save it out hidden from their view. Now I wonder: Can't you just do a File Copy here ? > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd- > bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 12:19 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application Obtaining Data from Excel - > Another User Has Excel File Opened > > Mark, > > Thanks for sharing your ideas. > > In the situation that I am dealing with, the users control the Excel > file and they update it several times per day. The Access application > that I am working on simply needs to read the data from the Excel file. > > I believe that your approach will work in some situations but I don't > think that I will be able to lock cells or password protect the file in > this case. > > Thanks, > > Brad > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Mark Simms > Sent: Sat 2/9/2013 10:04 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application Obtaining Data from Excel - > Another User Has Excel File Opened > > Just insure all cells are Locked on that worksheet and then pass-word > protect it. > If the user must make changes, unlock the sheet via a Form's button or > check box setting. > Keep the form up in vbModeLess mode.....and when it is closed, then > pass-word protect the sheet again. > This will effectively keep the sheet in a ReadOnly state most of the > time. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd- > > bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks > > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 4:27 PM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: [AccessD] Access Application Obtaining Data from Excel - > > Another User Has Excel File Opened > > > > All, > > > > I am struggling with a small Access 2007 application that obtains > data > > from an Excel file. > > > > The Excel file is defined as a Linked Table in Access. There is a > > single query which is used via Record Set processing. > > > > The data is returned perfectly when no one else is using the Excel > > file. > > > > If another user is looking at the Excel file but has not clicked on > > any cells, the data is returned to Access properly. > > > > However, if another user has the Excel file opened and has clicked on > > a cell, the Access application runs into a problem. > > > > The Access VBA code that does the Record Set processing has error > > handling code, but the error that is returned is not trapped by the > > error handling code. Instead a message is shown that says "This > > action cannot be completed because the Microsoft Excel - (the Excel > > file name) is busy. > > > > I would like to either be able to catch this error with the normal > > error handling code > > > > Or > > > > Invoke some sort of routine to determine if the Excel file is tied up > > before trying to obtain the data via Access. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Thanks, > > Brad > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by > MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From john at winhaven.net Mon Feb 11 10:55:10 2013 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 10:55:10 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Morning smile In-Reply-To: References: , <94bba7b7-645f-40b6-b0f3-a3fce2a85174@blur>, <5CFF12E2BF81493ABE1506C0EFE19743@HAL9007><51187D19.10134.10585890@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <005001ce0819$9ad75150$d085f3f0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <00c101ce0878$8dd690b0$a983b210$@winhaven.net> Lol - exactly! -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 4:02 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Morning smile Working for 'Local Government' as an IT Systems support techy, I was ordered to remove the Dilbert calendar from my desk, and then from my working area. The manager considered it was an unacceptable jibe against him (Him with the permed hairstyle, and questions like - "If I say save a file will it delete an earlier version".) JimB Oh! and the OP joke - Wasn't it a Canadian who crashed in Holland and was 'nursed' by an Australian! Then again this is a tech forum - er, it is, isn't it? ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 5:35 AM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Morning smile > When I worked for the county office Dilbert was reality. > > I kept a copy of the first Dilbert book on my shelf and referred to it as > the "employee handbook" :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart > McLachlan > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 11:10 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Morning smile > > It's just another case of thread drift. As the old saying goes, "Don't > sweat the petty things"* > > And from what I've seen over the years in some organisationa, Dilbert IS a > documentary :-) > > > -- > Stuart > > > * Instead, pet the sweaty things > > > On 10 Feb 2013 at 21:02, Rocky Smolin wrote: > >> It was a joke! A JOKE! You think Dilbert is a documentary? G'day mate. >> >> R >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Goodhall >> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 6:08 PM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Morning smile >> >> I know that ANZAC troops fought in Greece during WWII. Not sure about >> Northern Europe. >> >> Steve Goodhall >> >> -----Original message----- >> From: John Bartow >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >> >> Sent: Sun, Feb 10, 2013 23:51:52 GMT+00:00 >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Morning smile >> >> I'm not sure if Australian commonwealth troops participated in the > northern >> European theater of WWII. I know they were in the N. African theater. >> >> Maybe Holland should be replaced by "New Holland". Then it would at least > be >> in the same hemisphere as Australia. >> >> Oh, well, I chuckled anyway :-) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters >> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 2:52 PM >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Morning smile >> >> OK - this looks like it would be funny if I could get it. Is there a > place >> called Holland in Australia? Does this have something to do with 'down >> under'? Maybe you have to not be an American to understand? >> >> Dan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller >> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 12:00 PM >> To: Peter Brawley >> Subject: [AccessD] Morning smile >> >> Sometimes the silliest jokes are the funniest. I've been giggling over > this >> one for a while now. I heard it on cbc radio this morning. >> >> A Canadian World War II pilot was shot down over Holland. As his burning >> plane dove toward the ground he lost consciousness. Later he awoke to >> find >> himself, a couple of limbs in suspended casts and the most of the rest in >> bandages. A nurse was gazing at him. >> >> "Did I come here to die?" he asked. >> "No," she replied in a thick Australian accent. "You came here >> yesterday." >> >> Arthur >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From paul.hartland at googlemail.com Mon Feb 11 11:08:20 2013 From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 17:08:20 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] OT - Learning VB.net Message-ID: To all, Sorry about the posting here, but I do not seem to get emails from the VB group anymore. I have recently been made redunadant and as I have only ever developed in Access and VB6 was wondering if anyone could recommend any good books/websites for a VB6 programmer to move into VB.net, I do not have much money to spend and as a result I will be using the Visual Studio Express tools, also many moons ago I went on a C training course and if anyone could recommend any good books/websites for learning C# this one would probably have to be like a beginners guide. Thank you in advance for any help. P.S. Also if any of you in the UK need any help with any Access, VB6 or SQL Server projects I would be happy to offer my services. -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Feb 11 11:10:15 2013 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 11:10:15 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft LightSwitch moves to HTML5 Message-ID: <00d501ce087a$a96676e0$fc3364a0$@winhaven.net> FYI: Microsoft LightSwitch Turns on the Power of Rapid App Development http://www.eweek.com/developer/slideshows/microsoft-lightswitch-turns-on-the -power-of-rapid-app-development/?kc=EWKNLNAV02112013STR1 From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Mon Feb 11 11:16:33 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 09:16:33 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] OT - Learning VB.net In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: To me, it's harder to work with VS Express because you don't have all the nifty tools in the Visual Studio shell, making it harder to do the really cool stuff. That said, VB.Net is a different kettle of fish entirely from VBA and VB6. It helps if you've worked with ADO and built classes, believe me; but at least the style if familiar. With C#, you're plunging into the world of curly brackets and odd punctuation. It's considered a "real" language because it isn't easily read by the unwashed masses of coders who use VB. On the other hand, it's in demand, where VB.Net isn't. I was fortunate enough to learn VB.Net from a video training course from AppDev, which my company paid for. The LearnDevNow programs (from AppDev) are available online for a reasonable subscription. Charlotte On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Paul Hartland wrote: > To all, > > Sorry about the posting here, but I do not seem to get emails from the VB > group anymore. I have recently been made redunadant and as I have only > ever developed in Access and VB6 was wondering if anyone could recommend > any good books/websites for a VB6 programmer to move into VB.net, I do not > have much money to spend and as a result I will be using the Visual Studio > Express tools, also many moons ago I went on a C training course and if > anyone could recommend any good books/websites for learning C# this one > would probably have to be like a beginners guide. > > Thank you in advance for any help. > > P.S. Also if any of you in the UK need any help with any Access, VB6 or SQL > Server projects I would be happy to offer my services. > > -- > Paul Hartland > paul.hartland at googlemail.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Mon Feb 11 11:27:50 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 09:27:50 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft LightSwitch moves to HTML5 In-Reply-To: <00d501ce087a$a96676e0$fc3364a0$@winhaven.net> References: <00d501ce087a$a96676e0$fc3364a0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Very Interesting, and completely confusing! I couldn't tell if the thing is a part of Visual Studio or a standalone download. I see no mention of it in the Visual Studio 2012 pages, but it looks like you're stuck with C# if you want to use it and avoid java script. Wonder if it works with VS Express? Charlotte On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 9:10 AM, John Bartow wrote: > FYI: > Microsoft LightSwitch Turns on the Power of Rapid App Development > > http://www.eweek.com/developer/slideshows/microsoft-lightswitch-turns-on-the > -power-of-rapid-app-development/?kc=EWKNLNAV02112013STR1 > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From RRANTHON at sentara.com Mon Feb 11 11:43:21 2013 From: RRANTHON at sentara.com (RANDALL R ANTHONY) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 17:43:21 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] OT - Learning VB.net In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201302111743.r1BHhU5D024580@databaseadvisors.com> Paul, A peer pointed me to this page, your mileage may vary. http://www.informit.com/library/library.aspx?b=STY_Csharp_24hours HTH. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 12:17 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Learning VB.net To me, it's harder to work with VS Express because you don't have all the nifty tools in the Visual Studio shell, making it harder to do the really cool stuff. That said, VB.Net is a different kettle of fish entirely from VBA and VB6. It helps if you've worked with ADO and built classes, believe me; but at least the style if familiar. With C#, you're plunging into the world of curly brackets and odd punctuation. It's considered a "real" language because it isn't easily read by the unwashed masses of coders who use VB. On the other hand, it's in demand, where VB.Net isn't. I was fortunate enough to learn VB.Net from a video training course from AppDev, which my company paid for. The LearnDevNow programs (from AppDev) are available online for a reasonable subscription. Charlotte On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Paul Hartland wrote: > To all, > > Sorry about the posting here, but I do not seem to get emails from the > VB group anymore. I have recently been made redunadant and as I have > only ever developed in Access and VB6 was wondering if anyone could > recommend any good books/websites for a VB6 programmer to move into > VB.net, I do not have much money to spend and as a result I will be > using the Visual Studio Express tools, also many moons ago I went on a > C training course and if anyone could recommend any good > books/websites for learning C# this one would probably have to be like a beginners guide. > > Thank you in advance for any help. > > P.S. Also if any of you in the UK need any help with any Access, VB6 > or SQL Server projects I would be happy to offer my services. > > -- > Paul Hartland > paul.hartland at googlemail.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -------------Disclaimer--------------- This electronic message and its contents and attachments contain information from Sentara Healthcare and is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. The information is intended to be for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, copy, distribution or use of the contents of this message is prohibited. If you have received this electronic message in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message and all copies. From john at winhaven.net Mon Feb 11 12:16:48 2013 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 12:16:48 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft LightSwitch moves to HTML5 In-Reply-To: References: <00d501ce087a$a96676e0$fc3364a0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <010301ce0883$f52e3ff0$df8abfd0$@winhaven.net> I know little of it. I remembered that there had much chatter about it here and on DBA-Tech a few years ago when it was Silverlight based. I avoided it because of that. Just like I avoided learning Flash (even though I own it). Didn't see any future in it and given the learning curve can't mentally afford that kind of venture. I think that now maybe it's worth a look for rapid development. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 11:28 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Microsoft LightSwitch moves to HTML5 Very Interesting, and completely confusing! I couldn't tell if the thing is a part of Visual Studio or a standalone download. I see no mention of it in the Visual Studio 2012 pages, but it looks like you're stuck with C# if you want to use it and avoid java script. Wonder if it works with VS Express? Charlotte On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 9:10 AM, John Bartow wrote: > FYI: > Microsoft LightSwitch Turns on the Power of Rapid App Development > > http://www.eweek.com/developer/slideshows/microsoft-lightswitch-turns- > on-the > -power-of-rapid-app-development/?kc=EWKNLNAV02112013STR1 > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From df.waters at comcast.net Mon Feb 11 12:30:34 2013 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 12:30:34 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] OT - Learning VB.net In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006601ce0885$e18f2390$a4ad6ab0$@comcast.net> Hi Paul, Over the last two versions of Visual Studio, Microsoft has been working to equalize C# and VB.Net so that they have the same functionality. It's close enough now that it's really a personal preference for the developer. However, the big learning curve is to learn either one. Once you're comfortable with one, if you end up in a software company which uses the other, switching over won't be nearly as difficult as learning in the first place. When I started, I bought a number of books which were pretty helpful. But I quickly discovered that to do the things I wanted to do I ended up doing google searches - by the thousands. If you get your search terms right you'll usually find what you want. You should sign up for the dba-vb list at www.databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo. Good Luck! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 11:17 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Learning VB.net To me, it's harder to work with VS Express because you don't have all the nifty tools in the Visual Studio shell, making it harder to do the really cool stuff. That said, VB.Net is a different kettle of fish entirely from VBA and VB6. It helps if you've worked with ADO and built classes, believe me; but at least the style if familiar. With C#, you're plunging into the world of curly brackets and odd punctuation. It's considered a "real" language because it isn't easily read by the unwashed masses of coders who use VB. On the other hand, it's in demand, where VB.Net isn't. I was fortunate enough to learn VB.Net from a video training course from AppDev, which my company paid for. The LearnDevNow programs (from AppDev) are available online for a reasonable subscription. Charlotte On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Paul Hartland wrote: > To all, > > Sorry about the posting here, but I do not seem to get emails from the > VB group anymore. I have recently been made redunadant and as I have > only ever developed in Access and VB6 was wondering if anyone could > recommend any good books/websites for a VB6 programmer to move into > VB.net, I do not have much money to spend and as a result I will be > using the Visual Studio Express tools, also many moons ago I went on a > C training course and if anyone could recommend any good > books/websites for learning C# this one would probably have to be like a beginners guide. > > Thank you in advance for any help. > > P.S. Also if any of you in the UK need any help with any Access, VB6 > or SQL Server projects I would be happy to offer my services. > > -- > Paul Hartland > paul.hartland at googlemail.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Feb 11 16:39:38 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 08:39:38 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] OT - Learning VB.net In-Reply-To: <201302111743.r1BHhU5D024580@databaseadvisors.com> References: , , <201302111743.r1BHhU5D024580@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <5119732A.10357.14198C7F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Teach yourself C++ in 21 days? http://abstrusegoose.com/249 :-) On 11 Feb 2013 at 17:43, RANDALL R ANTHONY wrote: > Paul, > A peer pointed me to this page, your mileage may vary. > http://www.informit.com/library/library.aspx?b=STY_Csharp_24hours > > HTH. > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Mon Feb 11 16:48:58 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 14:48:58 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] OT - Learning VB.net In-Reply-To: <5119732A.10357.14198C7F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <201302111743.r1BHhU5D024580@databaseadvisors.com> <5119732A.10357.14198C7F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: That looks about right to me, Stuart! Charlotte On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > Teach yourself C++ in 21 days? > > http://abstrusegoose.com/249 > > :-) > > > From davidmcafee at gmail.com Mon Feb 11 16:54:27 2013 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 14:54:27 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] OT - Learning VB.net In-Reply-To: References: <201302111743.r1BHhU5D024580@databaseadvisors.com> <5119732A.10357.14198C7F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: so then 24 ours is really out of the question?!?!?!? :) http://www.amazon.com/Sams-Teach-Yourself-Visual-Hours/dp/0672331012/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1360623193&sr=8-3&keywords=teach+yourself+C%23+in+24+hours tiny url: *http://tinyurl.com/b7cu4n4 * On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > That looks about right to me, Stuart! > > Charlotte > > On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Stuart McLachlan >wrote: > > > Teach yourself C++ in 21 days? > > > > http://abstrusegoose.com/249 > > > > :-) > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Feb 11 17:04:03 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 09:04:03 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] OT - Learning VB.net In-Reply-To: References: , , Message-ID: <511978E3.13020.142FE70D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Peter Norvig summed it up many years ago: http://norvig.com/21-days.html -- Stuart On 11 Feb 2013 at 14:54, David McAfee wrote: > so then 24 ours is really out of the question?!?!?!? :) > > http://www.amazon.com/Sams-Teach-Yourself-Visual-Hours/dp/0672331012/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1360623193&sr=8-3&keywords=teach+yourself+C%23+in+24+hours > > tiny url: > > *http://tinyurl.com/b7cu4n4 > > > * > On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Charlotte Foust > wrote: > > > That looks about right to me, Stuart! > > > > Charlotte > > > > On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Stuart McLachlan > >wrote: > > > > > Teach yourself C++ in 21 days? > > > > > > http://abstrusegoose.com/249 > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marksimms at verizon.net Mon Feb 11 18:21:17 2013 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 19:21:17 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT - Learning VB.net In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <019a01ce08b6$e02a6d30$a07f4790$@net> Amen to that. There's a ton of C# dot-net code around...not so for VB.Net. I'd stay away. > On the other hand, it's in demand, where VB.Net isn't. I was > fortunate enough to learn VB.Net from a video training course from > AppDev, > which my company paid for. The LearnDevNow programs (from AppDev) are > available online for a reasonable subscription. > > Charlotte From marksimms at verizon.net Mon Feb 11 18:26:45 2013 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 19:26:45 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Access Application Obtaining Data fromExcel-Another User Has Excel File Opened In-Reply-To: References: , <00d101ce0633$358a06e0$a09e14a0$@sbor.com><51156221.15810.4371D17@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><000001ce0642$9e0096d0$da01c470$@sbor.com><000001ce06df$265a0330$730e0990$@net> <004501ce070f$d727d9a0$85778ce0$@net> Message-ID: <019b01ce08b7$a3e22fb0$eba68f10$@net> Brad - the only downside to the super simple file copy approach: It may not have been recently "saved". You would be getting the copy of the workbook the user opened early that day. However, even with automation, to get the most recent data, you would need the workbook to be established as "shared" so that you can then do the "Save" for them and then making a "Save As" under a different name. From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Feb 11 18:50:51 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:50:51 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] OT - Learning VB.net In-Reply-To: <511978E3.13020.142FE70D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , , <511978E3.13020.142FE70D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <5DE6E9D25C374ED590AA24C30381B693@creativesystemdesigns.com> Ha ha ha... That about sums it: "Teach Yourself Programming in Ten Years" Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 3:04 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Learning VB.net Peter Norvig summed it up many years ago: http://norvig.com/21-days.html -- Stuart On 11 Feb 2013 at 14:54, David McAfee wrote: > so then 24 ours is really out of the question?!?!?!? :) > > http://www.amazon.com/Sams-Teach-Yourself-Visual-Hours/dp/0672331012/ref=sr_ 1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1360623193&sr=8-3&keywords=teach+yourself+C%23+in+24+hours > > tiny url: > > *http://tinyurl.com/b7cu4n4 > > > * > On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Charlotte Foust > wrote: > > > That looks about right to me, Stuart! > > > > Charlotte > > > > On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Stuart McLachlan > >wrote: > > > > > Teach yourself C++ in 21 days? > > > > > > http://abstrusegoose.com/249 > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jeff.developer at gmail.com Mon Feb 11 18:50:53 2013 From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 18:50:53 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] OT - Learning VB.net In-Reply-To: <019a01ce08b6$e02a6d30$a07f4790$@net> References: <019a01ce08b6$e02a6d30$a07f4790$@net> Message-ID: <768CD22E-3036-4F09-AE4D-01FA1CEF6FDC@gmail.com> I'm not sure I can agree with that. I've been doing vb.net/asp.net for over a year now and I can usually find examples and samples when I need them. If C# is all I can find, there are some good conversion sites out there. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 11, 2013, at 6:21 PM, "Mark Simms" wrote: > Amen to that. There's a ton of C# dot-net code around...not so for VB.Net. > I'd stay away. >> On the other hand, it's in demand, where VB.Net isn't. I was >> fortunate enough to learn VB.Net from a video training course from >> AppDev, >> which my company paid for. The LearnDevNow programs (from AppDev) are >> available online for a reasonable subscription. >> >> Charlotte > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From BradM at blackforestltd.com Mon Feb 11 18:53:04 2013 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 18:53:04 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Access Application Obtaining Data fromExcel-Another User Has Excel File Opened References: , <00d101ce0633$358a06e0$a09e14a0$@sbor.com><51156221.15810.4371D17@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><000001ce0642$9e0096d0$da01c470$@sbor.com><000001ce06df$265a0330$730e0990$@net><004501ce070f$d727d9a0$85778ce0$@net> <019b01ce08b7$a3e22fb0$eba68f10$@net> Message-ID: Mark, Good point. I had not thought of this. Thanks for the help/advice Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Mark Simms Sent: Mon 2/11/2013 6:26 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application Obtaining Data fromExcel-Another User Has Excel File Opened Brad - the only downside to the super simple file copy approach: It may not have been recently "saved". You would be getting the copy of the workbook the user opened early that day. However, even with automation, to get the most recent data, you would need the workbook to be established as "shared" so that you can then do the "Save" for them and then making a "Save As" under a different name. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From df.waters at comcast.net Mon Feb 11 19:18:15 2013 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 19:18:15 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] OT - Learning VB.net In-Reply-To: <768CD22E-3036-4F09-AE4D-01FA1CEF6FDC@gmail.com> References: <019a01ce08b6$e02a6d30$a07f4790$@net> <768CD22E-3036-4F09-AE4D-01FA1CEF6FDC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00a901ce08be$d563f7b0$802be710$@comcast.net> My experience also! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 6:51 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Learning VB.net I'm not sure I can agree with that. I've been doing vb.net/asp.net for over a year now and I can usually find examples and samples when I need them. If C# is all I can find, there are some good conversion sites out there. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 11, 2013, at 6:21 PM, "Mark Simms" wrote: > Amen to that. There's a ton of C# dot-net code around...not so for VB.Net. > I'd stay away. >> On the other hand, it's in demand, where VB.Net isn't. I was >> fortunate enough to learn VB.Net from a video training course from >> AppDev, which my company paid for. The LearnDevNow programs (from >> AppDev) are available online for a reasonable subscription. >> >> Charlotte > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com Mon Feb 11 20:42:33 2013 From: davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com (David A. Gibson) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 20:42:33 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] OT - Learning VB.net In-Reply-To: <00a901ce08be$d563f7b0$802be710$@comcast.net> References: <019a01ce08b6$e02a6d30$a07f4790$@net> <768CD22E-3036-4F09-AE4D-01FA1CEF6FDC@gmail.com> <00a901ce08be$d563f7b0$802be710$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <005d01ce08ca$9cde3f70$d69abe50$@gmail.com> My experience with things like this has all been about how you asked the question. Some will find lots and some not so much. The folk more familiar with the subject will have a bit more knowledge on how to phrase the question and therefore get a better return. YMMV David Gibson -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 7:18 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Learning VB.net My experience also! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 6:51 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Learning VB.net I'm not sure I can agree with that. I've been doing vb.net/asp.net for over a year now and I can usually find examples and samples when I need them. If C# is all I can find, there are some good conversion sites out there. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 11, 2013, at 6:21 PM, "Mark Simms" wrote: > Amen to that. There's a ton of C# dot-net code around...not so for VB.Net. > I'd stay away. >> On the other hand, it's in demand, where VB.Net isn't. I was >> fortunate enough to learn VB.Net from a video training course from >> AppDev, which my company paid for. The LearnDevNow programs (from >> AppDev) are available online for a reasonable subscription. >> >> Charlotte > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From paul.hartland at googlemail.com Tue Feb 12 00:14:34 2013 From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 06:14:34 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] OT - Learning VB.net In-Reply-To: <005d01ce08ca$9cde3f70$d69abe50$@gmail.com> References: <019a01ce08b6$e02a6d30$a07f4790$@net> <768CD22E-3036-4F09-AE4D-01FA1CEF6FDC@gmail.com> <00a901ce08be$d563f7b0$802be710$@comcast.net> <005d01ce08ca$9cde3f70$d69abe50$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I would just like to thank everyone for all their responses, time to start learning I guess. On 12 February 2013 02:42, David A. Gibson wrote: > My experience with things like this has all been about how you asked the > question. Some will find lots and some not so much. The folk more > familiar > with the subject will have a bit more knowledge on how to phrase the > question and therefore get a better return. > > YMMV > > David Gibson > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 7:18 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Learning VB.net > > My experience also! > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeff > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 6:51 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Learning VB.net > > I'm not sure I can agree with that. I've been doing vb.net/asp.net for > over > a year now and I can usually find examples and samples when I need them. > If > C# is all I can find, there are some good conversion sites out there. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 11, 2013, at 6:21 PM, "Mark Simms" wrote: > > > Amen to that. There's a ton of C# dot-net code around...not so for > VB.Net. > > I'd stay away. > >> On the other hand, it's in demand, where VB.Net isn't. I was > >> fortunate enough to learn VB.Net from a video training course from > >> AppDev, which my company paid for. The LearnDevNow programs (from > >> AppDev) are available online for a reasonable subscription. > >> > >> Charlotte > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com From BradM at blackforestltd.com Tue Feb 12 14:24:17 2013 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 14:24:17 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 References: <019a01ce08b6$e02a6d30$a07f4790$@net><768CD22E-3036-4F09-AE4D-01FA1CEF6FDC@gmail.com><00a901ce08be$d563f7b0$802be710$@comcast.net> <005d01ce08ca$9cde3f70$d69abe50$@gmail.com> Message-ID: All, I have used Conditional Formatting a few times in the past and never ran into any problems. Recently, I stumbled upon something that seems strange. I have an Access 2007 report with an amount field. If the amount is negative, I simply want to change the font color to red. I set up a single "Conditional Formatting" condition that says "Field Value Is" "Less than" 0. The Preview shows the field in red. However, when I view the report, the field is shown in black and not in red. I must be missing something. This seems so simple. It appears that Access is not detecting that the fields is negative. Thanks, Brad From davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com Tue Feb 12 14:37:20 2013 From: davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com (David A Gibson) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 14:37:20 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 In-Reply-To: References: <019a01ce08b6$e02a6d30$a07f4790$@net><768CD22E-3036-4F09-AE4D-01FA1CEF6FDC@gmail.com><00a901ce08be$d563f7b0$802be710$@comcast.net> <005d01ce08ca$9cde3f70$d69abe50$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <02ef01ce0960$c1d25320$4576f960$@gmail.com> Check the Data Type of the field. David Gibson -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 2:24 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 All, I have used Conditional Formatting a few times in the past and never ran into any problems. Recently, I stumbled upon something that seems strange. I have an Access 2007 report with an amount field. If the amount is negative, I simply want to change the font color to red. I set up a single "Conditional Formatting" condition that says "Field Value Is" "Less than" 0. The Preview shows the field in red. However, when I view the report, the field is shown in black and not in red. I must be missing something. This seems so simple. It appears that Access is not detecting that the fields is negative. Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Feb 12 14:42:12 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 12:42:12 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 In-Reply-To: References: <019a01ce08b6$e02a6d30$a07f4790$@net><768CD22E-3036-4F09-AE4D-01FA1CEF6FDC@gmail.com><00a901ce08be$d563f7b0$802be710$@comcast.net><005d01ce08ca$9cde3f70$d69abe50$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <841AE47A12104A219212C6A40167F2B8@HAL9007> WAG - is the printer set to print in color? (I've been gothcha'd by that one before) R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 12:24 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 All, I have used Conditional Formatting a few times in the past and never ran into any problems. Recently, I stumbled upon something that seems strange. I have an Access 2007 report with an amount field. If the amount is negative, I simply want to change the font color to red. I set up a single "Conditional Formatting" condition that says "Field Value Is" "Less than" 0. The Preview shows the field in red. However, when I view the report, the field is shown in black and not in red. I must be missing something. This seems so simple. It appears that Access is not detecting that the fields is negative. Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From BradM at blackforestltd.com Tue Feb 12 14:41:48 2013 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 14:41:48 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 References: <019a01ce08b6$e02a6d30$a07f4790$@net><768CD22E-3036-4F09-AE4D-01FA1CEF6FDC@gmail.com><00a901ce08be$d563f7b0$802be710$@comcast.net><005d01ce08ca$9cde3f70$d69abe50$@gmail.com> <02ef01ce0960$c1d25320$4576f960$@gmail.com> Message-ID: David, The Text Box on the Report has a format of "Currency". The field in the VBA code is defined as "Currency". The field on the report does not come from a table or query, but is filled in via VBA code. Just for fun, I set up a small table and query in the application to experiment with Conditional Formatting. Things work fine for these fields from the query. I am still puzzled. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David A Gibson Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 2:37 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 Check the Data Type of the field. David Gibson -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 2:24 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 All, I have used Conditional Formatting a few times in the past and never ran into any problems. Recently, I stumbled upon something that seems strange. I have an Access 2007 report with an amount field. If the amount is negative, I simply want to change the font color to red. I set up a single "Conditional Formatting" condition that says "Field Value Is" "Less than" 0. The Preview shows the field in red. However, when I view the report, the field is shown in black and not in red. I must be missing something. This seems so simple. It appears that Access is not detecting that the fields is negative. Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From BradM at blackforestltd.com Tue Feb 12 14:49:50 2013 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 14:49:50 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 References: <019a01ce08b6$e02a6d30$a07f4790$@net><768CD22E-3036-4F09-AE4D-01FA1CEF6FDC@gmail.com><00a901ce08be$d563f7b0$802be710$@comcast.net><005d01ce08ca$9cde3f70$d69abe50$@gmail.com> <841AE47A12104A219212C6A40167F2B8@HAL9007> Message-ID: Rocky, Thanks for the idea. I am simply viewing the report on the screen - no printer involved yet. Other conditional formatting works when the data comes from a query. The report field that I am having trouble with is being plugged with data via VBA code. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 2:42 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 WAG - is the printer set to print in color? (I've been gothcha'd by that one before) R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 12:24 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 All, I have used Conditional Formatting a few times in the past and never ran into any problems. Recently, I stumbled upon something that seems strange. I have an Access 2007 report with an amount field. If the amount is negative, I simply want to change the font color to red. I set up a single "Conditional Formatting" condition that says "Field Value Is" "Less than" 0. The Preview shows the field in red. However, when I view the report, the field is shown in black and not in red. I must be missing something. This seems so simple. It appears that Access is not detecting that the fields is negative. Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Feb 12 15:10:52 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 13:10:52 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 In-Reply-To: References: <019a01ce08b6$e02a6d30$a07f4790$@net><768CD22E-3036-4F09-AE4D-01FA1CEF6FDC@gmail.com><00a901ce08be$d563f7b0$802be710$@comcast.net><005d01ce08ca$9cde3f70$d69abe50$@gmail.com><841AE47A12104A219212C6A40167F2B8@HAL9007> Message-ID: "plugged with data via VBA code" that's probably why - I'm guessing that the conditional formatting function is not being triggered or it is triggered before you put the value in the text box via VBA. Can you make that field a calculated value in the query? R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 12:50 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 Rocky, Thanks for the idea. I am simply viewing the report on the screen - no printer involved yet. Other conditional formatting works when the data comes from a query. The report field that I am having trouble with is being plugged with data via VBA code. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 2:42 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 WAG - is the printer set to print in color? (I've been gothcha'd by that one before) R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 12:24 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 All, I have used Conditional Formatting a few times in the past and never ran into any problems. Recently, I stumbled upon something that seems strange. I have an Access 2007 report with an amount field. If the amount is negative, I simply want to change the font color to red. I set up a single "Conditional Formatting" condition that says "Field Value Is" "Less than" 0. The Preview shows the field in red. However, when I view the report, the field is shown in black and not in red. I must be missing something. This seems so simple. It appears that Access is not detecting that the fields is negative. Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz Tue Feb 12 15:58:48 2013 From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 10:58:48 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 In-Reply-To: References: <019a01ce08b6$e02a6d30$a07f4790$@net><768CD22E-3036-4F09-AE4D-01FA1CEF6FDC@gmail.com><00a901ce08be$d563f7b0$802be710$@comcast.net><005d01ce08ca$9cde3f70$d69abe50$@gmail.com><02ef01ce0960$c1d25320$4576f960$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <91F6E1F90ABC48E98064C5620A9DDC5F@stevelaptop> Brad What event are you using to assign the value to the textbox? Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Brad Marks Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 9:41 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 David, The Text Box on the Report has a format of "Currency". The field in the VBA code is defined as "Currency". The field on the report does not come from a table or query, but is filled in via VBA code. Just for fun, I set up a small table and query in the application to experiment with Conditional Formatting. Things work fine for these fields from the query. I am still puzzled. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David A Gibson Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 2:37 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 Check the Data Type of the field. David Gibson -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 2:24 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 All, I have used Conditional Formatting a few times in the past and never ran into any problems. Recently, I stumbled upon something that seems strange. I have an Access 2007 report with an amount field. If the amount is negative, I simply want to change the font color to red. I set up a single "Conditional Formatting" condition that says "Field Value Is" "Less than" 0. The Preview shows the field in red. However, when I view the report, the field is shown in black and not in red. I must be missing something. This seems so simple. It appears that Access is not detecting that the fields is negative. Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From BradM at blackforestltd.com Tue Feb 12 16:10:14 2013 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 16:10:14 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 References: <019a01ce08b6$e02a6d30$a07f4790$@net><768CD22E-3036-4F09-AE4D-01FA1CEF6FDC@gmail.com><00a901ce08be$d563f7b0$802be710$@comcast.net><005d01ce08ca$9cde3f70$d69abe50$@gmail.com><02ef01ce0960$c1d25320$4576f960$@gmail.com> <91F6E1F90ABC48E98064C5620A9DDC5F@stevelaptop> Message-ID: Steve, In order to debug this problem, I have set up a little test Access application that recreates the problem. The Report "Load" event calls a small VBA routine which sets the value of the Text Box on the Report. The value that is displayed on the report is correct. It just is not shown in red via the conditional formatting that I have set up. I think that I am missing something here. Thanks, Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 3:59 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 Brad What event are you using to assign the value to the textbox? Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Brad Marks Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 9:41 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 David, The Text Box on the Report has a format of "Currency". The field in the VBA code is defined as "Currency". The field on the report does not come from a table or query, but is filled in via VBA code. Just for fun, I set up a small table and query in the application to experiment with Conditional Formatting. Things work fine for these fields from the query. I am still puzzled. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David A Gibson Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 2:37 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 Check the Data Type of the field. David Gibson -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 2:24 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 All, I have used Conditional Formatting a few times in the past and never ran into any problems. Recently, I stumbled upon something that seems strange. I have an Access 2007 report with an amount field. If the amount is negative, I simply want to change the font color to red. I set up a single "Conditional Formatting" condition that says "Field Value Is" "Less than" 0. The Preview shows the field in red. However, when I view the report, the field is shown in black and not in red. I must be missing something. This seems so simple. It appears that Access is not detecting that the fields is negative. Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From BradM at blackforestltd.com Tue Feb 12 16:11:09 2013 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 16:11:09 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 References: <019a01ce08b6$e02a6d30$a07f4790$@net><768CD22E-3036-4F09-AE4D-01FA1CEF6FDC@gmail.com><00a901ce08be$d563f7b0$802be710$@comcast.net><005d01ce08ca$9cde3f70$d69abe50$@gmail.com><841AE47A12104A219212C6A40167F2B8@HAL9007> Message-ID: Rocky, I will try a calculated value. Thanks, Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 3:11 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 "plugged with data via VBA code" that's probably why - I'm guessing that the conditional formatting function is not being triggered or it is triggered before you put the value in the text box via VBA. Can you make that field a calculated value in the query? R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 12:50 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 Rocky, Thanks for the idea. I am simply viewing the report on the screen - no printer involved yet. Other conditional formatting works when the data comes from a query. The report field that I am having trouble with is being plugged with data via VBA code. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 2:42 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 WAG - is the printer set to print in color? (I've been gothcha'd by that one before) R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 12:24 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 All, I have used Conditional Formatting a few times in the past and never ran into any problems. Recently, I stumbled upon something that seems strange. I have an Access 2007 report with an amount field. If the amount is negative, I simply want to change the font color to red. I set up a single "Conditional Formatting" condition that says "Field Value Is" "Less than" 0. The Preview shows the field in red. However, when I view the report, the field is shown in black and not in red. I must be missing something. This seems so simple. It appears that Access is not detecting that the fields is negative. Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz Tue Feb 12 16:23:53 2013 From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:23:53 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 In-Reply-To: References: <019a01ce08b6$e02a6d30$a07f4790$@net><768CD22E-3036-4F09-AE4D-01FA1CEF6FDC@gmail.com><00a901ce08be$d563f7b0$802be710$@comcast.net><005d01ce08ca$9cde3f70$d69abe50$@gmail.com><02ef01ce0960$c1d25320$4576f960$@gmail.com><91F6E1F90ABC48E98064C5620A9DDC5F@stevelaptop> Message-ID: <6F85633FB4814CD1B37AC1AC24109488@stevelaptop> Hi Brad I think Rocky's suggestion is correct... that it has to do with the timing of when the Conditional Formatting is applied to the report, as against when the data is there for the CF process to evaluate. Is it possible to put the code on the report's Open event rather than Load? That might work. Alternatively, are you able to re-jig your code into a function to return the value required for the field, and then to call that function, either in a calculated field within the report's Record Source query, or in the Control Source of the textbox? That might work too. Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Brad Marks Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 11:10 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 Steve, In order to debug this problem, I have set up a little test Access application that recreates the problem. The Report "Load" event calls a small VBA routine which sets the value of the Text Box on the Report. The value that is displayed on the report is correct. It just is not shown in red via the conditional formatting that I have set up. I think that I am missing something here. Thanks, Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 3:59 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 Brad What event are you using to assign the value to the textbox? Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Brad Marks Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 9:41 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 David, The Text Box on the Report has a format of "Currency". The field in the VBA code is defined as "Currency". The field on the report does not come from a table or query, but is filled in via VBA code. Just for fun, I set up a small table and query in the application to experiment with Conditional Formatting. Things work fine for these fields from the query. I am still puzzled. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David A Gibson Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 2:37 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 Check the Data Type of the field. David Gibson -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 2:24 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 All, I have used Conditional Formatting a few times in the past and never ran into any problems. Recently, I stumbled upon something that seems strange. I have an Access 2007 report with an amount field. If the amount is negative, I simply want to change the font color to red. I set up a single "Conditional Formatting" condition that says "Field Value Is" "Less than" 0. The Preview shows the field in red. However, when I view the report, the field is shown in black and not in red. I must be missing something. This seems so simple. It appears that Access is not detecting that the fields is negative. Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Feb 12 16:26:41 2013 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 23:26:41 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 Message-ID: Hi Brad Why not just use the Format property and specify a colour: 0.00;[Red]-0.00 /gustav Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 All, I have used Conditional Formatting a few times in the past and never ran into any problems. Recently, I stumbled upon something that seems strange. I have an Access 2007 report with an amount field. If the amount is negative, I simply want to change the font color to red. I set up a single "Conditional Formatting" condition that says "Field Value Is" "Less than" 0. The Preview shows the field in red. However, when I view the report, the field is shown in black and not in red. I must be missing something. This seems so simple. It appears that Access is not detecting that the fields is negative. Thanks, Brad From BradM at blackforestltd.com Tue Feb 12 16:42:21 2013 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 16:42:21 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 References: Message-ID: Gustav, I have never used this approach, but I plan to experiment with it. Thanks, Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 4:27 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 Hi Brad Why not just use the Format property and specify a colour: 0.00;[Red]-0.00 /gustav Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 All, I have used Conditional Formatting a few times in the past and never ran into any problems. Recently, I stumbled upon something that seems strange. I have an Access 2007 report with an amount field. If the amount is negative, I simply want to change the font color to red. I set up a single "Conditional Formatting" condition that says "Field Value Is" "Less than" 0. The Preview shows the field in red. However, when I view the report, the field is shown in black and not in red. I must be missing something. This seems so simple. It appears that Access is not detecting that the fields is negative. Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From BradM at blackforestltd.com Tue Feb 12 17:00:01 2013 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 17:00:01 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 References: <019a01ce08b6$e02a6d30$a07f4790$@net><768CD22E-3036-4F09-AE4D-01FA1CEF6FDC@gmail.com><00a901ce08be$d563f7b0$802be710$@comcast.net><005d01ce08ca$9cde3f70$d69abe50$@gmail.com><02ef01ce0960$c1d25320$4576f960$@gmail.com><91F6E1F90ABC48E98064C5620A9DDC5F@stevelaptop> <6F85633FB4814CD1B37AC1AC24109488@stevelaptop> Message-ID: Steve, The use of a Function in conjunction with the Control Source of the Report's Text Box seems to work nicely. Thanks to everyone who offered their ideas and insights on this issue! I learned something new today. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 4:24 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 Hi Brad I think Rocky's suggestion is correct... that it has to do with the timing of when the Conditional Formatting is applied to the report, as against when the data is there for the CF process to evaluate. Is it possible to put the code on the report's Open event rather than Load? That might work. Alternatively, are you able to re-jig your code into a function to return the value required for the field, and then to call that function, either in a calculated field within the report's Record Source query, or in the Control Source of the textbox? That might work too. Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Brad Marks Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 11:10 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 Steve, In order to debug this problem, I have set up a little test Access application that recreates the problem. The Report "Load" event calls a small VBA routine which sets the value of the Text Box on the Report. The value that is displayed on the report is correct. It just is not shown in red via the conditional formatting that I have set up. I think that I am missing something here. Thanks, Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 3:59 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 Brad What event are you using to assign the value to the textbox? Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Brad Marks Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 9:41 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 David, The Text Box on the Report has a format of "Currency". The field in the VBA code is defined as "Currency". The field on the report does not come from a table or query, but is filled in via VBA code. Just for fun, I set up a small table and query in the application to experiment with Conditional Formatting. Things work fine for these fields from the query. I am still puzzled. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David A Gibson Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 2:37 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 Check the Data Type of the field. David Gibson -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 2:24 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 All, I have used Conditional Formatting a few times in the past and never ran into any problems. Recently, I stumbled upon something that seems strange. I have an Access 2007 report with an amount field. If the amount is negative, I simply want to change the font color to red. I set up a single "Conditional Formatting" condition that says "Field Value Is" "Less than" 0. The Preview shows the field in red. However, when I view the report, the field is shown in black and not in red. I must be missing something. This seems so simple. It appears that Access is not detecting that the fields is negative. 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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Feb 12 17:09:01 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 15:09:01 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 In-Reply-To: References: <019a01ce08b6$e02a6d30$a07f4790$@net><768CD22E-3036-4F09-AE4D-01FA1CEF6FDC@gmail.com><00a901ce08be$d563f7b0$802be710$@comcast.net><005d01ce08ca$9cde3f70$d69abe50$@gmail.com><02ef01ce0960$c1d25320$4576f960$@gmail.com><91F6E1F90ABC48E98064C5620A9DDC5F@stevelaptop> Message-ID: What section is it in? Header? Detail? Footer? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 2:10 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 Steve, In order to debug this problem, I have set up a little test Access application that recreates the problem. The Report "Load" event calls a small VBA routine which sets the value of the Text Box on the Report. The value that is displayed on the report is correct. It just is not shown in red via the conditional formatting that I have set up. I think that I am missing something here. Thanks, Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 3:59 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 Brad What event are you using to assign the value to the textbox? Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Brad Marks Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 9:41 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 David, The Text Box on the Report has a format of "Currency". The field in the VBA code is defined as "Currency". The field on the report does not come from a table or query, but is filled in via VBA code. Just for fun, I set up a small table and query in the application to experiment with Conditional Formatting. Things work fine for these fields from the query. I am still puzzled. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David A Gibson Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 2:37 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 Check the Data Type of the field. David Gibson -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 2:24 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 All, I have used Conditional Formatting a few times in the past and never ran into any problems. Recently, I stumbled upon something that seems strange. I have an Access 2007 report with an amount field. If the amount is negative, I simply want to change the font color to red. I set up a single "Conditional Formatting" condition that says "Field Value Is" "Less than" 0. The Preview shows the field in red. However, when I view the report, the field is shown in black and not in red. I must be missing something. This seems so simple. It appears that Access is not detecting that the fields is negative. Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From BradM at blackforestltd.com Tue Feb 12 17:08:24 2013 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 17:08:24 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 References: <019a01ce08b6$e02a6d30$a07f4790$@net><768CD22E-3036-4F09-AE4D-01FA1CEF6FDC@gmail.com><00a901ce08be$d563f7b0$802be710$@comcast.net><005d01ce08ca$9cde3f70$d69abe50$@gmail.com><02ef01ce0960$c1d25320$4576f960$@gmail.com><91F6E1F90ABC48E98064C5620A9DDC5F@stevelaptop> Message-ID: Footer -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 5:09 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 What section is it in? Header? Detail? Footer? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 2:10 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 Steve, In order to debug this problem, I have set up a little test Access application that recreates the problem. The Report "Load" event calls a small VBA routine which sets the value of the Text Box on the Report. The value that is displayed on the report is correct. It just is not shown in red via the conditional formatting that I have set up. I think that I am missing something here. Thanks, Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 3:59 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 Brad What event are you using to assign the value to the textbox? Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Brad Marks Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 9:41 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 David, The Text Box on the Report has a format of "Currency". The field in the VBA code is defined as "Currency". The field on the report does not come from a table or query, but is filled in via VBA code. Just for fun, I set up a small table and query in the application to experiment with Conditional Formatting. Things work fine for these fields from the query. I am still puzzled. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David A Gibson Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 2:37 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 Check the Data Type of the field. David Gibson -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 2:24 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Puzzler - Access 2007 All, I have used Conditional Formatting a few times in the past and never ran into any problems. Recently, I stumbled upon something that seems strange. I have an Access 2007 report with an amount field. If the amount is negative, I simply want to change the font color to red. I set up a single "Conditional Formatting" condition that says "Field Value Is" "Less than" 0. The Preview shows the field in red. However, when I view the report, the field is shown in black and not in red. I must be missing something. This seems so simple. It appears that Access is not detecting that the fields is negative. 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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz Wed Feb 13 16:51:52 2013 From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 11:51:52 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] Referencing Report Footer Calculated Field in Report Header Message-ID: <002301ce0a3c$b71b0580$25511080$@dalyn.co.nz> Team, I have a batch report which has a subreport of items in the batch and amounts. On the footer of the main report is a Grand Total of the subreport items as well as a couple of batch amounts. This works fine. Here is the control source for the fields: = srpOrderDetailPrice!txtTotalCost + [txtBaseSetTotal]+[txtFolderLabourTotal] I would like to show the Grand Total on the report header as well. When I put the formula in the report header section it only includes the first subreport item amount plus the two batch amounts. It looks like a timing issue. How can I get the report header field to equal the report footer field amount? Regards David Emerson Dalyn Software Ltd Wellington, New Zealand From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Wed Feb 13 17:34:38 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:34:38 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Referencing Report Footer Calculated Field in Report Header In-Reply-To: <002301ce0a3c$b71b0580$25511080$@dalyn.co.nz> References: <002301ce0a3c$b71b0580$25511080$@dalyn.co.nz> Message-ID: Maybe I'm missing your point, but why would you want to show the grand total in the report header? Reports are band-generated, so the data hasn't been compiled yet at that point unless you create a special function to repeat all your calculations. That doesn't make sense to me. Charlotte On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 2:51 PM, David Emerson wrote: > Team, > > I have a batch report which has a subreport of items in the batch and > amounts. On the footer of the main report is a Grand Total of the > subreport > items as well as a couple of batch amounts. This works fine. > > Here is the control source for the fields: > = srpOrderDetailPrice!txtTotalCost + > [txtBaseSetTotal]+[txtFolderLabourTotal] > > I would like to show the Grand Total on the report header as well. When I > put the formula in the report header section it only includes the first > subreport item amount plus the two batch amounts. > > It looks like a timing issue. How can I get the report header field to > equal the report footer field amount? > > Regards > > David Emerson > Dalyn Software Ltd > Wellington, New Zealand > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Wed Feb 13 17:50:17 2013 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 23:50:17 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Referencing Report Footer Calculated Field in Report Header In-Reply-To: References: <002301ce0a3c$b71b0580$25511080$@dalyn.co.nz> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B53441653F@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Totally makes sense. "To Add Up" The Romans had it right - they also used to put the totals up the top. We still use the term but the current fashion is totals at the bottom (or "To Add Down") - dumb idea IMHO. I always put totals in the header (up the top), along with out meta data (Min, Max, Count, Means etc). Maybe it is an Excel thing. There are HUGE advantages to doing this. They include, but not limited to 1: The totals / counts / etc are always visible and easily seen. If they are down the bottom and you you need to keep finding the bottom to find the result - and the bottom will keep moving. 2: Doesn't matter how many additional rows of data you add. 3: The totals are always located and found in the same place, this has big advantages for machines and humans. Totally get Totals in the headers - sadly Access is not good at this. This is one area Excel excels ;) Cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Thursday, 14 February 2013 10:35 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Referencing Report Footer Calculated Field in Report Header Maybe I'm missing your point, but why would you want to show the grand total in the report header? Reports are band-generated, so the data hasn't been compiled yet at that point unless you create a special function to repeat all your calculations. That doesn't make sense to me. Charlotte On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 2:51 PM, David Emerson wrote: > Team, > > I have a batch report which has a subreport of items in the batch and > amounts. On the footer of the main report is a Grand Total of the > subreport items as well as a couple of batch amounts. This works > fine. > > Here is the control source for the fields: > = srpOrderDetailPrice!txtTotalCost + > [txtBaseSetTotal]+[txtFolderLabourTotal] > > I would like to show the Grand Total on the report header as well. > When I put the formula in the report header section it only includes > the first subreport item amount plus the two batch amounts. > > It looks like a timing issue. How can I get the report header field > to equal the report footer field amount? > > Regards > > David Emerson > Dalyn Software Ltd > Wellington, New Zealand > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz Wed Feb 13 18:27:18 2013 From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:27:18 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] Referencing Report Footer Calculated Field in Report Header Message-ID: <002401ce0a4a$0bf55c10$23e01430$@dalyn.co.nz> The reason for putting it at the top as well as the bottom is because the report may have several pages. The client wants to see the total on the front page along with other information for easy transfer to another system. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Thursday, 14 February 2013 12:35 p.m. To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Referencing Report Footer Calculated Field in Report Header Maybe I'm missing your point, but why would you want to show the grand total in the report header? Reports are band-generated, so the data hasn't been compiled yet at that point unless you create a special function to repeat all your calculations. That doesn't make sense to me. Charlotte On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 2:51 PM, David Emerson wrote: > Team, > > I have a batch report which has a subreport of items in the batch and > amounts. On the footer of the main report is a Grand Total of the > subreport items as well as a couple of batch amounts. This works > fine. > > Here is the control source for the fields: > = srpOrderDetailPrice!txtTotalCost + > [txtBaseSetTotal]+[txtFolderLabourTotal] > > I would like to show the Grand Total on the report header as well. > When I put the formula in the report header section it only includes > the first subreport item amount plus the two batch amounts. > > It looks like a timing issue. How can I get the report header field > to equal the report footer field amount? > > Regards > > David Emerson > Dalyn Software Ltd > Wellington, New Zealand From jimdettman at verizon.net Wed Feb 13 20:30:45 2013 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 21:30:45 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Referencing Report Footer Calculated Field in ReportHeader In-Reply-To: <002401ce0a4a$0bf55c10$23e01430$@dalyn.co.nz> References: <002401ce0a4a$0bf55c10$23e01430$@dalyn.co.nz> Message-ID: <0197F0BA9D37440CAA0561B226ACBCC5@XPS> You'll need to turn on 2 pass printing by referencing the pages property in a control. On the first pass (which doesn't print), you can grab the total in the report footer and hold it in a variable, then print it in the report header on the 2nd (print) pass. The basic technique is outlined here: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/841779 One other trick; you can tell your on the first pass by testing the pages property, which will be 0. Also be aware that the OnPrint event is not fired on pass one. Any code you need should be in the OnFormat event. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 07:27 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Referencing Report Footer Calculated Field in ReportHeader The reason for putting it at the top as well as the bottom is because the report may have several pages. The client wants to see the total on the front page along with other information for easy transfer to another system. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Thursday, 14 February 2013 12:35 p.m. To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Referencing Report Footer Calculated Field in Report Header Maybe I'm missing your point, but why would you want to show the grand total in the report header? Reports are band-generated, so the data hasn't been compiled yet at that point unless you create a special function to repeat all your calculations. That doesn't make sense to me. Charlotte On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 2:51 PM, David Emerson wrote: > Team, > > I have a batch report which has a subreport of items in the batch and > amounts. On the footer of the main report is a Grand Total of the > subreport items as well as a couple of batch amounts. This works > fine. > > Here is the control source for the fields: > = srpOrderDetailPrice!txtTotalCost + > [txtBaseSetTotal]+[txtFolderLabourTotal] > > I would like to show the Grand Total on the report header as well. > When I put the formula in the report header section it only includes > the first subreport item amount plus the two batch amounts. > > It looks like a timing issue. How can I get the report header field > to equal the report footer field amount? > > Regards > > David Emerson > Dalyn Software Ltd > Wellington, New Zealand -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Feb 13 21:22:07 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 22:22:07 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Referencing Report Footer Calculated Field in ReportHeader In-Reply-To: <0197F0BA9D37440CAA0561B226ACBCC5@XPS> References: <002401ce0a4a$0bf55c10$23e01430$@dalyn.co.nz> <0197F0BA9D37440CAA0561B226ACBCC5@XPS> Message-ID: An alternative approach might be to set the header total's value to a DSum() call that does the total separately. That way the data will be available when the report opens. A. From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz Wed Feb 13 21:22:15 2013 From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 16:22:15 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] Referencing Report Footer Calculated Field in ReportHeader In-Reply-To: <0197F0BA9D37440CAA0561B226ACBCC5@XPS> References: <002401ce0a4a$0bf55c10$23e01430$@dalyn.co.nz> <0197F0BA9D37440CAA0561B226ACBCC5@XPS> Message-ID: <003301ce0a62$7cbe1d70$763a5850$@dalyn.co.nz> Thanks for the help Jim. The report already has the pages property in the report footer. When I check the value of the Grand Total on the report footer it only includes the first subreport item amount plus the two batch amounts on the first pass. This is the value being put into the header grand total field. The second pass puts the correct value into the footer Grand Total field. If it is a timing issue then it seems that the report header is being formatted before the report footer (as would be expected) and so is not getting the correct value. What I may need to do is create a query that calculates the value separately and put this in rather than using other fields from the report. Regards David Emerson Dalyn Software Ltd Wellington, New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Thursday, 14 February 2013 3:31 p.m. To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Referencing Report Footer Calculated Field in ReportHeader You'll need to turn on 2 pass printing by referencing the pages property in a control. On the first pass (which doesn't print), you can grab the total in the report footer and hold it in a variable, then print it in the report header on the 2nd (print) pass. The basic technique is outlined here: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/841779 One other trick; you can tell your on the first pass by testing the pages property, which will be 0. Also be aware that the OnPrint event is not fired on pass one. Any code you need should be in the OnFormat event. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 07:27 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Referencing Report Footer Calculated Field in ReportHeader The reason for putting it at the top as well as the bottom is because the report may have several pages. The client wants to see the total on the front page along with other information for easy transfer to another system. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Thursday, 14 February 2013 12:35 p.m. To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Referencing Report Footer Calculated Field in Report Header Maybe I'm missing your point, but why would you want to show the grand total in the report header? Reports are band-generated, so the data hasn't been compiled yet at that point unless you create a special function to repeat all your calculations. That doesn't make sense to me. Charlotte On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 2:51 PM, David Emerson wrote: > Team, > > I have a batch report which has a subreport of items in the batch and > amounts. On the footer of the main report is a Grand Total of the > subreport items as well as a couple of batch amounts. This works > fine. > > Here is the control source for the fields: > = srpOrderDetailPrice!txtTotalCost + > [txtBaseSetTotal]+[txtFolderLabourTotal] > > I would like to show the Grand Total on the report header as well. > When I put the formula in the report header section it only includes > the first subreport item amount plus the two batch amounts. > > It looks like a timing issue. How can I get the report header field > to equal the report footer field amount? > > Regards > > David Emerson > Dalyn Software Ltd > Wellington, New Zealand From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz Wed Feb 13 23:00:11 2013 From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 18:00:11 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] Referencing Report Footer Calculated Field in ReportHeader In-Reply-To: References: <002401ce0a4a$0bf55c10$23e01430$@dalyn.co.nz> <0197F0BA9D37440CAA0561B226ACBCC5@XPS> Message-ID: <003401ce0a70$2b747370$825d5a50$@dalyn.co.nz> Thanks Arthur - that is what I ended up doing. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, 14 February 2013 4:22 p.m. To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Referencing Report Footer Calculated Field in ReportHeader An alternative approach might be to set the header total's value to a DSum() call that does the total separately. That way the data will be available when the report opens. A. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From BradM at blackforestltd.com Thu Feb 14 13:27:56 2013 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:27:56 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Adding Bar Coding and Scanners to an Access Application References: , <00d101ce0633$358a06e0$a09e14a0$@sbor.com><51156221.15810.4371D17@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><000001ce0642$9e0096d0$da01c470$@sbor.com><000001ce06df$265a0330$730e0990$@net> <004501ce070f$d727d9a0$85778ce0$@net> Message-ID: All, In order to save time and improve accuracy, our Vice President of Operations would like for me to look into the possibility of using bar codes to collect "labor" information from the factory floor. This is basically to record the number of parts that are completed by a work-center. To do this, we would like to use a scanner to read the "Job Number" from an Access report (Factory Floor "Traveler"). I have some experience with bar coding back in the 1970s in an IBM mainframe environment, in a prior life, on a different planet :-) I have no experience with bar coding in the Microsoft Access realm. If I have an Access report that has a key (such as "A12345") how can I add a bar code to the report for this piece of information? If I am able to print a bar code for such a piece of information on a report, what is needed in order to use a scanner to "input" this key into an Access application or other Windows-based application? Thanks, Brad From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com Thu Feb 14 13:40:47 2013 From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:40:47 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Adding Bar Coding and Scanners to an Access Application In-Reply-To: References: , <00d101ce0633$358a06e0$a09e14a0$@sbor.com><51156221.15810.4371D17@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><000001ce0642$9e0096d0$da01c470$@sbor.com><000001ce06df$265a0330$730e0990$@net><004501ce070f$d727d9a0$85778ce0$@net> Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701F38FADE@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> The general concept is pretty simple. Just need to find a truetype barcode font and set the field on your report to that font. Scanners can act as input from a keyboard, so with the focus on the field for data entry of the barcode, scan the code and it is entered into the field. As for the details of which barcode font to use, I'm not any help but others can probably help you there. There are many barcode scanners out there, maybe a search on Newegg or Amazon will be a good place to start? I know there is much more detail to this, as to which type of barcode to use, features on scanners, etc..., etc... Etc... HTH, Rusty -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 1:28 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Adding Bar Coding and Scanners to an Access Application All, In order to save time and improve accuracy, our Vice President of Operations would like for me to look into the possibility of using bar codes to collect "labor" information from the factory floor. This is basically to record the number of parts that are completed by a work-center. To do this, we would like to use a scanner to read the "Job Number" from an Access report (Factory Floor "Traveler"). I have some experience with bar coding back in the 1970s in an IBM mainframe environment, in a prior life, on a different planet :-) I have no experience with bar coding in the Microsoft Access realm. If I have an Access report that has a key (such as "A12345") how can I add a bar code to the report for this piece of information? If I am able to print a bar code for such a piece of information on a report, what is needed in order to use a scanner to "input" this key into an Access application or other Windows-based application? Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ********************************************************************** WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. ********************************************************************** From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Feb 14 13:41:23 2013 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 19:41:23 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Adding Bar Coding and Scanners to an Access Application References: , <00d101ce0633$358a06e0$a09e14a0$@sbor.com><51156221.15810.4371D17@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><000001ce0642$9e0096d0$da01c470$@sbor.com><000001ce06df$265a0330$730e0990$@net><004501ce070f$d727d9a0$85778ce0$@net> Message-ID: <42B3353BEE2D4B5381A39B9D9278C905@jamesc319792ae> There are bar-code fonts - not sure about the viability of "A" in all fonts, or the reliability (readability) of such printouts As far as input - you'd need a scanner that (before USB) input data serially as if from a com port. That could be collected to a file, or in current environments managed by - wireless connection - hand-held device And - it's also ages (eons) since I did any of 'that stuff' Probably the best startpoint would be your local (grocery) stores to see what they are using, and get the users opinions of their reliability JimB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Marks" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 7:27 PM Subject: [AccessD] Adding Bar Coding and Scanners to an Access Application > All, > > In order to save time and improve accuracy, our Vice President of > Operations would like for me to look into the possibility of using bar > codes to collect "labor" information from the factory floor. This is > basically to record the number of parts that are completed by a > work-center. To do this, we would like to use a scanner to read the > "Job Number" from an Access report (Factory Floor "Traveler"). > > I have some experience with bar coding back in the 1970s in an IBM > mainframe environment, in a prior life, on a different planet :-) > > I have no experience with bar coding in the Microsoft Access realm. > > If I have an Access report that has a key (such as "A12345") how can I > add a bar code to the report for this piece of information? > > If I am able to print a bar code for such a piece of information on a > report, what is needed in order to use a scanner to "input" this key > into an Access application or other Windows-based application? > > Thanks, > Brad > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Feb 14 13:46:46 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 11:46:46 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Adding Bar Coding and Scanners to an Access Application In-Reply-To: References: , <00d101ce0633$358a06e0$a09e14a0$@sbor.com><51156221.15810.4371D17@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><000001ce0642$9e0096d0$da01c470$@sbor.com><000001ce06df$265a0330$730e0990$@net><004501ce070f$d727d9a0$85778ce0$@net> Message-ID: For input I'd go with the 'wedge' approach: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barcode_reader For output, you need a bar code font - easy to Google up, and add that to your reports. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 11:28 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Adding Bar Coding and Scanners to an Access Application All, In order to save time and improve accuracy, our Vice President of Operations would like for me to look into the possibility of using bar codes to collect "labor" information from the factory floor. This is basically to record the number of parts that are completed by a work-center. To do this, we would like to use a scanner to read the "Job Number" from an Access report (Factory Floor "Traveler"). I have some experience with bar coding back in the 1970s in an IBM mainframe environment, in a prior life, on a different planet :-) I have no experience with bar coding in the Microsoft Access realm. If I have an Access report that has a key (such as "A12345") how can I add a bar code to the report for this piece of information? If I am able to print a bar code for such a piece of information on a report, what is needed in order to use a scanner to "input" this key into an Access application or other Windows-based application? Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Thu Feb 14 14:03:50 2013 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:03:50 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Adding Bar Coding and Scanners to an Access Application In-Reply-To: References: , <00d101ce0633$358a06e0$a09e14a0$@sbor.com><51156221.15810.4371D17@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><000001ce0642$9e0096d0$da01c470$@sbor.com><000001ce06df$265a0330$730e0990$@net> <004501ce070f$d727d9a0$85778ce0$@net> Message-ID: <6C8C7046921F47B5BE5D8854CDE7046E@XPS> Brad, As the others have said, it's fairly straight forward. The "Wedge" type scanner Rocky mentioned goes between keyboard and PC. Because of that, the PC can't tell if data was keyed in or scanned. Guns however can transmit a prefix and/or suffix along with the data, so it's possible to "flag" data coming from the gun. On the Access side, anytime your waiting for keyboard input, you can receive scanned data. There are also USB based guns and most come with a driver to make it appear as keyboard input. Beyond that there are wireless handhelds, etc that require a little more work, but in this day and age, it's pretty plug and play. On the printing of bar codes, it's not as simple as just getting a font. A font only gives you the "characters" for a Symbology. There's no programming there to make sure you follow the rules for it (check digits, guard characters, density, etc). Two of the most popular symbologies are 3 of 9 (alpha numeric) and 2 of 5 (numeric only). If you stick with one of those, you probably could get away with just getting a font. But if you stray out into others, I would strongly suggest getting a 3rd party DLL or Lib such as abarcode. There are also media considerations, but from the sounds of things, you needs are simple there. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 02:28 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Adding Bar Coding and Scanners to an Access Application All, In order to save time and improve accuracy, our Vice President of Operations would like for me to look into the possibility of using bar codes to collect "labor" information from the factory floor. This is basically to record the number of parts that are completed by a work-center. To do this, we would like to use a scanner to read the "Job Number" from an Access report (Factory Floor "Traveler"). I have some experience with bar coding back in the 1970s in an IBM mainframe environment, in a prior life, on a different planet :-) I have no experience with bar coding in the Microsoft Access realm. If I have an Access report that has a key (such as "A12345") how can I add a bar code to the report for this piece of information? If I am able to print a bar code for such a piece of information on a report, what is needed in order to use a scanner to "input" this key into an Access application or other Windows-based application? Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Feb 14 14:11:39 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:11:39 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Adding Bar Coding and Scanners to an Access Application In-Reply-To: References: <00d101ce0633$358a06e0$a09e14a0$@sbor.com> <51156221.15810.4371D17@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <000001ce0642$9e0096d0$da01c470$@sbor.com> <000001ce06df$265a0330$730e0990$@net> <004501ce070f$d727d9a0$85778ce0$@net> Message-ID: It's been a while since I've done bar codes, too. But I do recall that there are several such fonts, and they are all unique, reflecting different schemes. One was called Code 3 of 9, IIRC. A. From davidmcafee at gmail.com Thu Feb 14 14:25:32 2013 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 12:25:32 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Adding Bar Coding and Scanners to an Access Application In-Reply-To: References: <00d101ce0633$358a06e0$a09e14a0$@sbor.com> <51156221.15810.4371D17@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <000001ce0642$9e0096d0$da01c470$@sbor.com> <000001ce06df$265a0330$730e0990$@net> <004501ce070f$d727d9a0$85778ce0$@net> Message-ID: There was even a free 3 of 9 font that I downloaded and used in one of my projects. This was the site listed in the readme: http://www.squaregear.net/fonts/(which is now blocked at my company). If you can't find it online anywhere, I have the zip file which contains the font. HTH, David McAfee On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > It's been a while since I've done bar codes, too. But I do recall that > there are several such fonts, and they are all unique, reflecting different > schemes. One was called Code 3 of 9, IIRC. > > A. > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Feb 14 14:44:20 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:44:20 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control in 2007+ Message-ID: IIRC, the tab control used to wrap automatically, giving you two and perhaps even more rows of tabs. Now it seems that I'm getting only one row, with little pointy arrows indicating that there are more tabs off to the right and left. Is this just a setting that I'm missing somewhere? I prefer the old way. TIA, Arthur From jimdettman at verizon.net Thu Feb 14 15:08:20 2013 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 16:08:20 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control in 2007+ In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Arthur, You need to set the multirow property to true. Look under format. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 03:44 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control in 2007+ IIRC, the tab control used to wrap automatically, giving you two and perhaps even more rows of tabs. Now it seems that I'm getting only one row, with little pointy arrows indicating that there are more tabs off to the right and left. Is this just a setting that I'm missing somewhere? I prefer the old way. TIA, Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From steve at goodhall.info Thu Feb 14 15:08:34 2013 From: steve at goodhall.info (Steve Goodhall) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 16:08:34 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Adding Bar Coding and Scanners to an Access Application In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Another option is to get a scanner that stores the data internally as it scans it.? You then upload this and use it as a transaction file Regards,? Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP ----- Original Message ----- From: Access Developers discussion and problem solving To:"Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Cc: Sent:Thu, 14 Feb 2013 11:46:46 -0800 Subject:Re: [AccessD] Adding Bar Coding and Scanners to an Access Application For input I'd go with the 'wedge' approach: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barcode_reader [1] For output, you need a bar code font - easy to Google up, and add that to your reports. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [2] [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [3]] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 11:28 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Adding Bar Coding and Scanners to an Access Application All, In order to save time and improve accuracy, our Vice President of Operations would like for me to look into the possibility of using bar codes to collect "labor" information from the factory floor. This is basically to record the number of parts that are completed by a work-center. To do this, we would like to use a scanner to read the "Job Number" from an Access report (Factory Floor "Traveler"). I have some experience with bar coding back in the 1970s in an IBM mainframe environment, in a prior life, on a different planet :-) I have no experience with bar coding in the Microsoft Access realm. If I have an Access report that has a key (such as "A12345") how can I add a bar code to the report for this piece of information? If I am able to print a bar code for such a piece of information on a report, what is needed in order to use a scanner to "input" this key into an Access application or other Windows-based application? Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com [4] http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd [5] Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com [6] -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com [7] http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd [8] Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com [9] Links: ------ [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barcode_reader [2] mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [3] mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [4] mailto:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com [5] http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd [6] http://www.databaseadvisors.com [7] mailto:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com [8] http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd [9] http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Feb 14 15:27:44 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 07:27:44 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Adding Bar Coding and Scanners to an Access Application In-Reply-To: References: , , Message-ID: <511D56D0.19354.234AD2B2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I'd recommend 3 of 9 coding. Google "frree 3of9". There are quite a few fonts out there. Pick one that you like and download and instal it. The rules for 3of9 are very simple, you just use an asterisk as a stop and stsart character. So to put JobNum on a report, set a textbox to ="*" & Jobnum & "*" set it's font to 3of9 On 14 Feb 2013 at 12:25, David McAfee wrote: > There was even a free 3 of 9 font that I downloaded and used in one of my > projects. > > This was the site listed in the readme: > http://www.squaregear.net/fonts/(which is now blocked at my company). > > If you can't find it online anywhere, I have the zip file which contains > the font. > > HTH, > David McAfee > > On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > > It's been a while since I've done bar codes, too. But I do recall that > > there are several such fonts, and they are all unique, reflecting different > > schemes. One was called Code 3 of 9, IIRC. > > > > A. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Feb 14 15:48:36 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 16:48:36 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control in 2007+ In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Jim! A. From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com Fri Feb 15 10:00:46 2013 From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 11:00:46 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Access & Multiple Users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <511E155E0200006B0002B3F4@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com> I've got an Access 101 question...maybe 102... I've been programming in Access for more than 10 yrs now, and early on I'd learned that, if I wanted multiple users to access my DBs (i.e. most of them), I needed to split them into Front-End programs w/forms and such, accessing Back-Ends which house the data. This is the way I've been doing things for all these years. BUT...I never really ever got any definitive word on how necessary this was...or at what point. For me, I like how I do it. It isn't much more work, and I've enjoyed a great track record, w/very few problems regarding corruption, accessibility, etc.. But, now I am faced w/an issue, and I want to back up what I am telling my users w/some solid information...actually I just want to know that I'm not blowing smoke and I know what I am talking about... We are in the process of migrating over, from a Novell network to a Windows AD network. We just moved out 2nd of five servers/campuses over and this one apparently has many Access DBs on it. More troublesome is that it has many user-created DBs on it. All the DBs I created are fine...nice feather in my cap there, eh?! But, there are several issues...at least a half-dozen at the moment...w/the user-created ones. Most of these issues seem to be that they were previously being used by multiple people at the same time, and they can no longer do this. I've told the person that I am in contact w/over there that, they aren't really meant to be operated this way, so there really isn't anything for me to "fix." So, this brings us to my questions... 1) What IS the rule w/simultaneous access? Is it correct that this shouldn't be done...is there a size or something that it will work up to? 2) for my own curiosity...why did it work w/Novell, but w/it came over to Active Directory it now longer worked? I'm guessing since it is all MS now, it is integrated enough to be know better...??? I'm guessing this is a mix of Access versions. I'm sure most of mine should be at least at the 2003 level, but nothing much older than that. From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Fri Feb 15 10:19:58 2013 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 16:19:58 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Access & Multiple Users References: <511E155E0200006B0002B3F4@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com> Message-ID: <79F2140A41D140C2B4CDBC831EAF1EA8@jamesc319792ae> First consideration would surely be the cost of all those 'Access' licences where a 'front-end' is the 'free' run-time Second consideration would (for me) be the maintenance - If 'management' want it to be a 'controlled' environment. Third consideration - staff capability and training costs Fourth Data validation, a front-end with forms should allow 'validation' to ensure that the data is as expected It also means that a declaration can be made to courts etc. that updates etc. are recorded, traceable, identifiable and can, acceptably be presented 'in/as evidence' as needed. Fifth- If the staff are capable, and accept that they do what they do on their 'own' copy of data, with whatever risks devolved onto them - then why not let them do their thing. In many environments it may well be better to allow the users to have their own database rather than intrude on the corporate ones. It also allows 'management' to indicate that access to their 'work' is secure, and restricted to them. I have frequently setup small data-stores to assist me in the monitoring., manipulation, and management of 'stuff' I was responsible for, but would have had trouble justifying to be held as corporate data rather than just a working aid. But - now I have access to a reasonably useful Excel facility - and I know not to set the file(s) as shared, or to bypass the data input validation without running a checking script in it's place. JimB ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Clark" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 4:00 PM Subject: [AccessD] Access & Multiple Users I've got an Access 101 question...maybe 102... I've been programming in Access for more than 10 yrs now, and early on I'd learned that, if I wanted multiple users to access my DBs (i.e. most of them), I needed to split them into Front-End programs w/forms and such, accessing Back-Ends which house the data. This is the way I've been doing things for all these years. BUT...I never really ever got any definitive word on how necessary this was...or at what point. For me, I like how I do it. It isn't much more work, and I've enjoyed a great track record, w/very few problems regarding corruption, accessibility, etc.. But, now I am faced w/an issue, and I want to back up what I am telling my users w/some solid information...actually I just want to know that I'm not blowing smoke and I know what I am talking about... We are in the process of migrating over, from a Novell network to a Windows AD network. We just moved out 2nd of five servers/campuses over and this one apparently has many Access DBs on it. More troublesome is that it has many user-created DBs on it. All the DBs I created are fine...nice feather in my cap there, eh?! But, there are several issues...at least a half-dozen at the moment...w/the user-created ones. Most of these issues seem to be that they were previously being used by multiple people at the same time, and they can no longer do this. I've told the person that I am in contact w/over there that, they aren't really meant to be operated this way, so there really isn't anything for me to "fix." So, this brings us to my questions... 1) What IS the rule w/simultaneous access? Is it correct that this shouldn't be done...is there a size or something that it will work up to? 2) for my own curiosity...why did it work w/Novell, but w/it came over to Active Directory it now longer worked? I'm guessing since it is all MS now, it is integrated enough to be know better...??? I'm guessing this is a mix of Access versions. I'm sure most of mine should be at least at the 2003 level, but nothing much older than that. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Feb 15 10:22:34 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 17:22:34 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Access & Multiple Users Message-ID: <00a701ce0b98$a9a1f0a0$fce5d1e0$@cactus.dk> Hi John Your route is, of course, right. The issues seen is most like a question about user rights that needs to be trimmed. What happens if the users copy the database to a local folder and launch it from there? AD does behave a little different than your old NDS - I know because we also ran NetWare file servers until about 1? year ago - but it should present no major challenge for skilled network people. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John Clark Sendt: 15. februar 2013 17:01 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: [AccessD] Access & Multiple Users I've got an Access 101 question...maybe 102... I've been programming in Access for more than 10 yrs now, and early on I'd learned that, if I wanted multiple users to access my DBs (i.e. most of them), I needed to split them into Front-End programs w/forms and such, accessing Back-Ends which house the data. This is the way I've been doing things for all these years. BUT...I never really ever got any definitive word on how necessary this was...or at what point. For me, I like how I do it. It isn't much more work, and I've enjoyed a great track record, w/very few problems regarding corruption, accessibility, etc.. But, now I am faced w/an issue, and I want to back up what I am telling my users w/some solid information...actually I just want to know that I'm not blowing smoke and I know what I am talking about... We are in the process of migrating over, from a Novell network to a Windows AD network. We just moved out 2nd of five servers/campuses over and this one apparently has many Access DBs on it. More troublesome is that it has many user-created DBs on it. All the DBs I created are fine...nice feather in my cap there, eh?! But, there are several issues...at least a half-dozen at the moment...w/the user-created ones. Most of these issues seem to be that they were previously being used by multiple people at the same time, and they can no longer do this. I've told the person that I am in contact w/over there that, they aren't really meant to be operated this way, so there really isn't anything for me to "fix." So, this brings us to my questions... 1) What IS the rule w/simultaneous access? Is it correct that this shouldn't be done...is there a size or something that it will work up to? 2) for my own curiosity...why did it work w/Novell, but w/it came over to Active Directory it now longer worked? I'm guessing since it is all MS now, it is integrated enough to be know better...??? I'm guessing this is a mix of Access versions. I'm sure most of mine should be at least at the 2003 level, but nothing much older than that. From davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com Fri Feb 15 10:52:04 2013 From: davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com (David A Gibson) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 10:52:04 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Access & Multiple Users In-Reply-To: <511E155E0200006B0002B3F4@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com> References: <511E155E0200006B0002B3F4@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com> Message-ID: <013601ce0b9c$c8f360c0$5ada2240$@gmail.com> How many is multiple? Just two or more or ten or more? We generally don't have more than a few accessing the same DB at the same time with one exception. We have one DB that, during the fall, up to about thirty will have access to it and they will connect at their leisure. So there could be one to a bunch connected any time. Each is assigned a four digit userid that they enter into a form that will bring up the records they are supposed to process. Have done this for a few years now and have no problems with PC based Windows computers. This past fall we did have some issues and traced it back to Apple computers running Access in a Windows environment using parallels VM. Other than that we have been good to go. I've done the front end & back end thing upon occasion but for our use it hasn't been necessary. Just happens to work for us. We're on a Windows network and use AD for security. We got off of Novell about twelve years ago. David Gibson -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 10:01 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Access & Multiple Users I've got an Access 101 question...maybe 102... I've been programming in Access for more than 10 yrs now, and early on I'd learned that, if I wanted multiple users to access my DBs (i.e. most of them), I needed to split them into Front-End programs w/forms and such, accessing Back-Ends which house the data. This is the way I've been doing things for all these years. BUT...I never really ever got any definitive word on how necessary this was...or at what point. For me, I like how I do it. It isn't much more work, and I've enjoyed a great track record, w/very few problems regarding corruption, accessibility, etc.. But, now I am faced w/an issue, and I want to back up what I am telling my users w/some solid information...actually I just want to know that I'm not blowing smoke and I know what I am talking about... We are in the process of migrating over, from a Novell network to a Windows AD network. We just moved out 2nd of five servers/campuses over and this one apparently has many Access DBs on it. More troublesome is that it has many user-created DBs on it. All the DBs I created are fine...nice feather in my cap there, eh?! But, there are several issues...at least a half-dozen at the moment...w/the user-created ones. Most of these issues seem to be that they were previously being used by multiple people at the same time, and they can no longer do this. I've told the person that I am in contact w/over there that, they aren't really meant to be operated this way, so there really isn't anything for me to "fix." So, this brings us to my questions... 1) What IS the rule w/simultaneous access? Is it correct that this shouldn't be done...is there a size or something that it will work up to? 2) for my own curiosity...why did it work w/Novell, but w/it came over to Active Directory it now longer worked? I'm guessing since it is all MS now, it is integrated enough to be know better...??? I'm guessing this is a mix of Access versions. I'm sure most of mine should be at least at the 2003 level, but nothing much older than that. From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Feb 15 10:55:59 2013 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 10:55:59 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Access & Multiple Users In-Reply-To: <511E155E0200006B0002B3F4@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com> References: <511E155E0200006B0002B3F4@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com> Message-ID: You say that it doesn't work anymore. That means that more than one person can't open it at all? Or they get an error or some kind of corruption? In order for multiple people to open the Access Database the user must have FULL READ WRITE UPDATE AND DELETE rights to the folder that the Access database lives in or else the LDB lock file can't be created updated and deleted. Often times the network isn't set up for this full access so the lock file can't be created. That will work for a single user but as soon as the second user tries to get in it won't work. GK On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 10:00 AM, John Clark wrote: > I've got an Access 101 question...maybe 102... > > I've been programming in Access for more than 10 yrs now, and early on I'd learned that, if I wanted multiple users to access my DBs (i.e. most of them), I needed to split them into Front-End programs w/forms and such, accessing Back-Ends which house the data. This is the way I've been doing things for all these years. BUT...I never really ever got any definitive word on how necessary this was...or at what point. > > For me, I like how I do it. It isn't much more work, and I've enjoyed a great track record, w/very few problems regarding corruption, accessibility, etc.. But, now I am faced w/an issue, and I want to back up what I am telling my users w/some solid information...actually I just want to know that I'm not blowing smoke and I know what I am talking about... > > We are in the process of migrating over, from a Novell network to a Windows AD network. We just moved out 2nd of five servers/campuses over and this one apparently has many Access DBs on it. More troublesome is that it has many user-created DBs on it. All the DBs I created are fine...nice feather in my cap there, eh?! But, there are several issues...at least a half-dozen at the moment...w/the user-created ones. > > Most of these issues seem to be that they were previously being used by multiple people at the same time, and they can no longer do this. I've told the person that I am in contact w/over there that, they aren't really meant to be operated this way, so there really isn't anything for me to "fix." > > So, this brings us to my questions... > > 1) What IS the rule w/simultaneous access? Is it correct that this shouldn't be done...is there a size or something that it will work up to? > > 2) for my own curiosity...why did it work w/Novell, but w/it came over to Active Directory it now longer worked? I'm guessing since it is all MS now, it is integrated enough to be know better...??? > > I'm guessing this is a mix of Access versions. I'm sure most of mine should be at least at the 2003 level, but nothing much older than that. > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com Fri Feb 15 11:31:32 2013 From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 12:31:32 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Access & Multiple Users In-Reply-To: <00a701ce0b98$a9a1f0a0$fce5d1e0$@cactus.dk> References: <00a701ce0b98$a9a1f0a0$fce5d1e0$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <511E2AA40200006B0002B40B@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com> I probably should have clarified...each user is able to run the DB...just not more than one simultaneously as they had been doing. I just want to be prepared w/they complain. The normal route is that, w/I...or one of my co-workers...give them an answer they don't like, they take it higher...to our boss. My boss, for a guy running an IT shop, doesn't seem to trust his people and we have to give him hard facts and prove things to him. And, even if I do this, he'll almost for sure call someone to verify whatever I tell him. Unfortunately for me, his source for Access info is this developer that I've dealt with, and I don't like how he operates. >>> "Gustav Brock" 2/15/2013 11:22 AM >>> Hi John Your route is, of course, right. The issues seen is most like a question about user rights that needs to be trimmed. What happens if the users copy the database to a local folder and launch it from there? AD does behave a little different than your old NDS - I know because we also ran NetWare file servers until about 1? year ago - but it should present no major challenge for skilled network people. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John Clark Sendt: 15. februar 2013 17:01 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: [AccessD] Access & Multiple Users I've got an Access 101 question...maybe 102... I've been programming in Access for more than 10 yrs now, and early on I'd learned that, if I wanted multiple users to access my DBs (i.e. most of them), I needed to split them into Front-End programs w/forms and such, accessing Back-Ends which house the data. This is the way I've been doing things for all these years. BUT...I never really ever got any definitive word on how necessary this was...or at what point. For me, I like how I do it. It isn't much more work, and I've enjoyed a great track record, w/very few problems regarding corruption, accessibility, etc.. But, now I am faced w/an issue, and I want to back up what I am telling my users w/some solid information...actually I just want to know that I'm not blowing smoke and I know what I am talking about... We are in the process of migrating over, from a Novell network to a Windows AD network. We just moved out 2nd of five servers/campuses over and this one apparently has many Access DBs on it. More troublesome is that it has many user-created DBs on it. All the DBs I created are fine...nice feather in my cap there, eh?! But, there are several issues...at least a half-dozen at the moment...w/the user-created ones. Most of these issues seem to be that they were previously being used by multiple people at the same time, and they can no longer do this. I've told the person that I am in contact w/over there that, they aren't really meant to be operated this way, so there really isn't anything for me to "fix." So, this brings us to my questions... 1) What IS the rule w/simultaneous access? Is it correct that this shouldn't be done...is there a size or something that it will work up to? 2) for my own curiosity...why did it work w/Novell, but w/it came over to Active Directory it now longer worked? I'm guessing since it is all MS now, it is integrated enough to be know better...??? I'm guessing this is a mix of Access versions. I'm sure most of mine should be at least at the 2003 level, but nothing much older than that. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From edzedz at comcast.net Fri Feb 15 12:33:20 2013 From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 11:33:20 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Two Problems Access 2003 32bit Message-ID: Hello: Database Advisors, I have a couple of issues that wondering if anyone has come across. I am using Access-2003 32-bit. 1). The first is a field called 'Roomkey'. When I import that table into another Ms-Access database that field becomes a 'KEY-Field'. The 'Roomkey' field describes the type of key for a hotel room which doesn't need to be a key field. That is a problem because all the numbers of indexes are used up and that extra key upsets the import process. Is there a way to turn that feature off ? 2). The second issue is when in Windows-7 Pro, Ms-Access doesn't seem to behave the same as when using XP Pro. Especially when it comes to speed. The only way to have Ms-Access behave the same with comparable speed is to get into Windows-7 Pro task-manager and change the msaccess.exe job to RealTime priority. Since the machine is a dual process computer, this doesn't seem to cause other problems. So, is there a way to have the msaccess.exe job just start up using the RealTime priority ? Thanks. Sincerely, Ed Zuris. edzedz at comcast.net From jimdettman at verizon.net Fri Feb 15 12:39:23 2013 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 13:39:23 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Access & Multiple Users In-Reply-To: <511E155E0200006B0002B3F4@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com> References: <511E155E0200006B0002B3F4@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com> Message-ID: <82F49E6F480D43529100649804304CE3@XPS> <> Couple of things: 1. Make sure everyone has full rights for where the MDB's are (which has already been mentioned). 2. Make sure that DB's placed in the same directory do not have the same base name. i.e. MyApp.MDW and MyApp.MDB. This results in both DB's generating the same locking file name (MyApp.LDB) and all kinds of weirdness will result. 3. Microsoft made a change with Access 2000 that design changes required exclusive access to the DB. Moving from Novell to Windows would not have changed that, but if as part of that users got new stations and new versions of Access, it may come into play. And a split app is the best approach, foremost of which is that it reduces network usage, there by improving performance of the app. It also makes app maintenance and updates easier. Finally it reduces the chance of corruption, although with the design change now being exclusive, corruption of a shared DB is a lot less then it used to be. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 11:01 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Access & Multiple Users I've got an Access 101 question...maybe 102... I've been programming in Access for more than 10 yrs now, and early on I'd learned that, if I wanted multiple users to access my DBs (i.e. most of them), I needed to split them into Front-End programs w/forms and such, accessing Back-Ends which house the data. This is the way I've been doing things for all these years. BUT...I never really ever got any definitive word on how necessary this was...or at what point. For me, I like how I do it. It isn't much more work, and I've enjoyed a great track record, w/very few problems regarding corruption, accessibility, etc.. But, now I am faced w/an issue, and I want to back up what I am telling my users w/some solid information...actually I just want to know that I'm not blowing smoke and I know what I am talking about... We are in the process of migrating over, from a Novell network to a Windows AD network. We just moved out 2nd of five servers/campuses over and this one apparently has many Access DBs on it. More troublesome is that it has many user-created DBs on it. All the DBs I created are fine...nice feather in my cap there, eh?! But, there are several issues...at least a half-dozen at the moment...w/the user-created ones. Most of these issues seem to be that they were previously being used by multiple people at the same time, and they can no longer do this. I've told the person that I am in contact w/over there that, they aren't really meant to be operated this way, so there really isn't anything for me to "fix." So, this brings us to my questions... 1) What IS the rule w/simultaneous access? Is it correct that this shouldn't be done...is there a size or something that it will work up to? 2) for my own curiosity...why did it work w/Novell, but w/it came over to Active Directory it now longer worked? I'm guessing since it is all MS now, it is integrated enough to be know better...??? I'm guessing this is a mix of Access versions. I'm sure most of mine should be at least at the 2003 level, but nothing much older than that. From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Feb 15 13:04:07 2013 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 13:04:07 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Two Problems Access 2003 32bit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Ed, I think I can help with your first issue but not the second one.... You want to go into Tools / Options and then to teh Tables/Queries tab and clear out everyting from the "AutoIndex on Import/Create" box. These are field prefixes or suffixes that it will try to make indexes on on imports or new table creations. An explanation with screen grabs is here... http://www.fmsinc.com/free/newtips/access/AutoIndex/index.asp GK On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Edward Zuris wrote: > > > Hello: Database Advisors, > > > > I have a couple of issues that wondering if anyone has come across. > > > > I am using Access-2003 32-bit. > > > > 1). > > > > The first is a field called 'Roomkey'. When I import that table > > into another Ms-Access database that field becomes a 'KEY-Field'. > > > > The 'Roomkey' field describes the type of key for a hotel room > > which doesn't need to be a key field. > > > > That is a problem because all the numbers of indexes are used up > > and that extra key upsets the import process. > > > > Is there a way to turn that feature off ? > > > > 2). > > > > The second issue is when in Windows-7 Pro, Ms-Access doesn't seem > > to behave the same as when using XP Pro. Especially when it comes > > to speed. > > > > The only way to have Ms-Access behave the same with comparable > > speed is to get into Windows-7 Pro task-manager and change the > > msaccess.exe job to RealTime priority. > > > > Since the machine is a dual process computer, this doesn't seem > > to cause other problems. > > > > So, is there a way to have the msaccess.exe job just start up using > > the RealTime priority ? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Sincerely, > > Ed Zuris. > > edzedz at comcast.net > > > > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Fri Feb 15 13:51:59 2013 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 14:51:59 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Am I loosing it... Message-ID: <7770E536CAAB45BB86F2D13375A920E1@XPS> Am I loosing it (I really don't want an answer to that) or didn't one of you guys (Martin, Arthur, or Susan) write a "Access to mySQL" specific book? Jim. From jeff.developer at gmail.com Fri Feb 15 14:03:07 2013 From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff B) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 14:03:07 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Am I loosing it... In-Reply-To: <7770E536CAAB45BB86F2D13375A920E1@XPS> References: <7770E536CAAB45BB86F2D13375A920E1@XPS> Message-ID: <005901ce0bb7$79f91210$6deb3630$@gmail.com> SQL: Access to SQL Server / Edition 1 by Susan Sales Harkins, Martin WP Reid ISBN:1893115305 ISBN-13:9781893115309 PUB. DATE:January 2002 PUBLISHER: Apress Jeff Barrows MCP, MCAD, MCSD ? Outbak Technologies, LLC Racine, WI jeff.developer at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 1:52 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Am I loosing it... Am I loosing it (I really don't want an answer to that) or didn't one of you guys (Martin, Arthur, or Susan) write a "Access to mySQL" specific book? Jim. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Feb 15 14:30:50 2013 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 15:30:50 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Am I loosing it... References: <7770E536CAAB45BB86F2D13375A920E1@XPS> Message-ID: <557E16BB93A44AE3A5E33A9AE3AA0A86@SusanHarkins> Martin and I wrote an Access to SQL book -- I think Arthur's your MySQL expert. Susan H. > > Am I loosing it (I really don't want an answer to that) or didn't one of > you guys (Martin, Arthur, or Susan) write a "Access to mySQL" specific > book? > > Jim. From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Feb 15 14:33:21 2013 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 15:33:21 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Am I loosing it... References: <7770E536CAAB45BB86F2D13375A920E1@XPS> <005901ce0bb7$79f91210$6deb3630$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <73D69CA750424C0BA7F667CEAC160391@SusanHarkins> And I still drag it out and refer to it. :) Thanks Jeff! Susan H. SQL: Access to SQL Server / Edition 1 by Susan Sales Harkins, Martin WP Reid ISBN:1893115305 ISBN-13:9781893115309 PUB. DATE:January 2002 PUBLISHER: Apress Jeff Barrows MCP, MCAD, MCSD Outbak Technologies, LLC Racine, WI jeff.developer at gmail.com - From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Feb 15 17:15:09 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 18:15:09 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Force a form to open in datasheet mode Message-ID: I forget how to force a form to open in datasheet mode. The default view is already set to datasheet and the other views have all be set to No, but a simple call to DoCmd.OpenForm still opens it in Form view. This occurs only when I invoke the form from the default switchboard. If I just open the form from the Objects pane it opens correctly. What's the difference? -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Feb 15 17:39:07 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 09:39:07 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Force a form to open in datasheet mode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <511EC71B.12705.28E975E1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> The default acViewMode for the VBA command DoCmd.OpenForm is acNormal. Try Docmd.OpenForm "frmMyForm",acFormDS -- Stuart On 15 Feb 2013 at 18:15, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I forget how to force a form to open in datasheet mode. The default view is > already set to datasheet and the other views have all be set to No, but a > simple call to DoCmd.OpenForm still opens it in Form view. > > This occurs only when I invoke the form from the default switchboard. If I > just open the form from the Objects pane it opens correctly. What's the > difference? > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Feb 15 23:05:22 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 00:05:22 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Force a form to open in datasheet mode In-Reply-To: <511EC71B.12705.28E975E1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <511EC71B.12705.28E975E1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Is there a command that I could use from within the form's code, such as in the Load or Open event, to force the form into DataSheet view? I've tried a couple of things but so far haven't got the right one. TIA, Arthur On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > The default acViewMode for the VBA command DoCmd.OpenForm is acNormal. > > Try Docmd.OpenForm "frmMyForm",acFormDS > > -- > Stuart > > On 15 Feb 2013 at 18:15, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > > I forget how to force a form to open in datasheet mode. The default view > is > > already set to datasheet and the other views have all be set to No, but a > > simple call to DoCmd.OpenForm still opens it in Form view. > > > > This occurs only when I invoke the form from the default switchboard. If > I > > just open the form from the Objects pane it opens correctly. What's the > > difference? > > > > -- > > Arthur > > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > > -- Niels Bohr > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Feb 15 23:14:02 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 00:14:02 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Am I loosing it... In-Reply-To: <73D69CA750424C0BA7F667CEAC160391@SusanHarkins> References: <7770E536CAAB45BB86F2D13375A920E1@XPS> <005901ce0bb7$79f91210$6deb3630$@gmail.com> <73D69CA750424C0BA7F667CEAC160391@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: Thanks for the plug, Susan! Peter and I didn't do a whole book on Access to MySQL, but there is a chapter on that topic in our "Getting It Done With MySQL". See www.artfulsoftware.com for details and some free downloads. A. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Feb 15 23:20:39 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 21:20:39 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Force a form to open in datasheet mode In-Reply-To: References: <511EC71B.12705.28E975E1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <34CF97EBF08B4193AC4064E08D6FB70A@HAL9007> I don't know how to do that but I use the following code to toggle between continuous form and datasheet by creating two forms - subfrmPODetail and subfrmPODetailDatasheet: If Me.subfrmPODetail.SourceObject = "subfrmPODetail" Then Me.subfrmPODetail.SourceObject = "subfrmPODetailDatasheet" Else Me.subfrmPODetail.SourceObject = "subfrmPODetail" End If Me.subfrmPODetail.Requery Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 9:05 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Force a form to open in datasheet mode Is there a command that I could use from within the form's code, such as in the Load or Open event, to force the form into DataSheet view? I've tried a couple of things but so far haven't got the right one. TIA, Arthur On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > The default acViewMode for the VBA command DoCmd.OpenForm is acNormal. > > Try Docmd.OpenForm "frmMyForm",acFormDS > > -- > Stuart > > On 15 Feb 2013 at 18:15, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > > I forget how to force a form to open in datasheet mode. The default > > view > is > > already set to datasheet and the other views have all be set to No, > > but a simple call to DoCmd.OpenForm still opens it in Form view. > > > > This occurs only when I invoke the form from the default > > switchboard. If > I > > just open the form from the Objects pane it opens correctly. What's > > the difference? > > > > -- > > Arthur > > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > > -- Niels Bohr > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Feb 15 23:27:35 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:27:35 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Force a form to open in datasheet mode In-Reply-To: References: , <511EC71B.12705.28E975E1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, Message-ID: <511F18C7.18688.2A287F1B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> If you are using the old Switchboard which does a default, Docmd.Openform then you will probably have to use a kludge like this: Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer) Dim str As String If Me.CurrentView <> 2 Then 'if not opened as a datasheet, close and re-open in datasheet view str = Me.Name DoCmd.Close acForm, str DoCmd.OpenForm str, acFormDS Exit Sub End If End Sub On 16 Feb 2013 at 0:05, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Is there a command that I could use from within the form's code, such as in > the Load or Open event, to force the form into DataSheet view? I've tried a > couple of things but so far haven't got the right one. > > TIA, > Arthur > > > On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > > > The default acViewMode for the VBA command DoCmd.OpenForm is acNormal. > > > > Try Docmd.OpenForm "frmMyForm",acFormDS > > > > -- > > Stuart > > > > On 15 Feb 2013 at 18:15, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > > > > I forget how to force a form to open in datasheet mode. The default view > > is > > > already set to datasheet and the other views have all be set to No, but a > > > simple call to DoCmd.OpenForm still opens it in Form view. > > > > > > This occurs only when I invoke the form from the default switchboard. If > > I > > > just open the form from the Objects pane it opens correctly. What's the > > > difference? > > > > > > -- > > > Arthur > > > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > > > > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > > > -- Niels Bohr > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Feb 15 23:55:42 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 00:55:42 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Force a form to open in datasheet mode In-Reply-To: <511F18C7.18688.2A287F1B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <511EC71B.12705.28E975E1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <511F18C7.18688.2A287F1B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Thanks, Stuart. Yes, I am using the old style switchboard, primarily to knock together a prototype. There may be a problem with the 2007 version of that code, though. My first attempt to get around the problem was to write a sub that opened the form as a datasheet, and then to change the argument to "Run Code" and call the sub. That didn't work. Changing the sub to a function didn't work either. Finally I tried creating a macro and changing the argument to "Run Macro". That worked perfectly. I don't know why. I can't remember the last time I wrote or used a macro in an app. But in this case it seems to work just fine. So I guess we'll call this problem Solved. I pasted your code into the Form_Open event anyway, commented out for the moment. I may play around with it later on, to see if I can eliminate the macro. But for now I think I'll just enjoy the fact that it works the way I wanted. A. From jimdettman at verizon.net Sat Feb 16 08:44:50 2013 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 09:44:50 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Am I loosing it... In-Reply-To: References: <7770E536CAAB45BB86F2D13375A920E1@XPS> <005901ce0bb7$79f91210$6deb3630$@gmail.com> <73D69CA750424C0BA7F667CEAC160391@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <64A182759BCB481FA3AA17A91E9AF1F1@XPS> That's where I steered him to and he bought your e-book. He was eagerly awaiting delivery last I checked. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 12:14 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Am I loosing it... Thanks for the plug, Susan! Peter and I didn't do a whole book on Access to MySQL, but there is a chapter on that topic in our "Getting It Done With MySQL". See www.artfulsoftware.com for details and some free downloads. A. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Feb 16 09:23:11 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 10:23:11 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Am I loosing it... In-Reply-To: <64A182759BCB481FA3AA17A91E9AF1F1@XPS> References: <7770E536CAAB45BB86F2D13375A920E1@XPS> <005901ce0bb7$79f91210$6deb3630$@gmail.com> <73D69CA750424C0BA7F667CEAC160391@SusanHarkins> <64A182759BCB481FA3AA17A91E9AF1F1@XPS> Message-ID: Thanks, Jim. A couple of bucks closer to that Tesla Model S I've been wanting :) A. From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sat Feb 16 11:31:32 2013 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 12:31:32 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Morning smile In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <511FC274.4070406@torchlake.com> Hilarious! T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 2/10/2013 1:00 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Sometimes the silliest jokes are the funniest. I've been giggling over this > one for a while now. I heard it on cbc radio this morning. > > A Canadian World War II pilot was shot down over Holland. As his burning > plane dove toward the ground he lost consciousness. Later he awoke to find > himself, a couple of limbs in suspended casts and the most of the rest in > bandages. A nurse was gazing at him. > > "Did I come here to die?" he asked. > "No," she replied in a thick Australian accent. "You came here yesterday." > > Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Feb 16 13:26:37 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 14:26:37 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] 2007 Re-Linking Puzzle Message-ID: I've noticed in the past couple of days that Access 2007 appears to have a relinking issue. Like any good boy scout, I split the app very early on, and since I inherited a bad (unnormalized, inconsistently named objects, etc.) I've been making changes to both the FE and the BE as I go. What I have noticed is this: despite the changes to field names and some of their attributes, the FE seems unaware of these changes, and when I peruse the table structure from the FE it still reflects the old properties, not the new ones. I tried re-linking, and that didn't make the problem go away. It appears that nothing works, short of deleting the linked table from the FE and then creating a new link to the BE table. Was this always the case, and I simply never noticed before? Or is this some new "feature" of Access 2007? -- Arthur From jimdettman at verizon.net Sat Feb 16 14:02:30 2013 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:02:30 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] 2007 Re-Linking Puzzle In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Is this a JET BE? You should see the changes right away. If SQL, you need to re-link to see the changes. I have seen in the past where linked tables don't get updated properly, but that was a thing of the past. Not pointing to two different copies of the BE by chance are you (current table links vs what you re-link to)? Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 02:27 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] 2007 Re-Linking Puzzle I've noticed in the past couple of days that Access 2007 appears to have a relinking issue. Like any good boy scout, I split the app very early on, and since I inherited a bad (unnormalized, inconsistently named objects, etc.) I've been making changes to both the FE and the BE as I go. What I have noticed is this: despite the changes to field names and some of their attributes, the FE seems unaware of these changes, and when I peruse the table structure from the FE it still reflects the old properties, not the new ones. I tried re-linking, and that didn't make the problem go away. It appears that nothing works, short of deleting the linked table from the FE and then creating a new link to the BE table. Was this always the case, and I simply never noticed before? Or is this some new "feature" of Access 2007? -- Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at gmail.com Sat Feb 16 23:34:46 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 00:34:46 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] new posts to my blog Message-ID: <51206BF6.7080701@gmail.com> As I mentioned I am writing a blog on classes and events. I have written two new posts this weekend. Comments welcomed. -- John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From kathryn at bassett.net Sat Feb 16 23:53:46 2013 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 21:53:46 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] new posts to my blog Message-ID: <20130216215346.27B6826C@resin05.mta.everyone.net> And the url? --- jwcolby at gmail.com wrote: From: John W Colby To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] new posts to my blog Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 00:34:46 -0500 As I mentioned I am writing a blog on classes and events. I have written two new posts this weekend. Comments welcomed. -- John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at gmail.com Sun Feb 17 06:08:13 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 07:08:13 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] new posts to my blog In-Reply-To: <20130216215346.27B6826C@resin05.mta.everyone.net> References: <20130216215346.27B6826C@resin05.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <5120C82D.8090408@gmail.com> http://jwcolby.blogspot.com/ John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/17/2013 12:53 AM, Kathryn Bassett wrote: > And the url? > > --- jwcolby at gmail.com wrote: > > From: John W Colby > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] new posts to my blog > Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 00:34:46 -0500 > > As I mentioned I am writing a blog on classes and events. I have written two new posts this > weekend. Comments welcomed. > From jwcolby at gmail.com Sun Feb 17 07:32:09 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 08:32:09 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Out of a paper bag Message-ID: <5120DBD9.3020609@gmail.com> http:\\jwcolby.blogspot.com I have been told that I cannot write my way out of a paper bag. If we have any English majors / writers who are interested in Classes and would like to edit my blog to make it more intelligible please speak up and I will get you set up to work with me on editing the blogs. This blog will be my contribution to the Access community and making a somewhat 'difficult' subject (classes / events) more accessible is my sole intention. That can't happen if my writings are unintelligible. ;) Do not hesitate to make constructive comments about the subject, content or style. -- John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Feb 17 08:48:35 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 09:48:35 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Out of a paper bag In-Reply-To: <5120DBD9.3020609@gmail.com> References: <5120DBD9.3020609@gmail.com> Message-ID: I may have been the originator of that description of your literary prowess. You've come a long way, baby! Even with my keen editor's eye, I can't see much that warrants change. Keep up the good work. I don't know if you plan to get to it, but after reading your bit on the Timer class, I thought that a progress meter would be a useful class. I'm not sure exactly how it would work, but it would pop up a little screen with a progress bar that expands to indicate the progress through a task such as walking a recordset. I chose that example because as you could discover the set-count initially and then as you process the set you could call the Increment (or whatever) method to update the progress bar. Just a thought. A. From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Sun Feb 17 10:05:08 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 08:05:08 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Out of a paper bag In-Reply-To: <5120DBD9.3020609@gmail.com> References: <5120DBD9.3020609@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hey, John, I'm a good writer and conversant with classes. Can I help? Charlotte On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 5:32 AM, John W Colby wrote: > http:\\jwcolby.blogspot.com > > I have been told that I cannot write my way out of a paper bag. If we > have any English majors / writers who are interested in Classes and would > like to edit my blog to make it more intelligible please speak up and I > will get you set up to work with me on editing the blogs. > > This blog will be my contribution to the Access community and making a > somewhat 'difficult' subject (classes / events) more accessible is my sole > intention. That can't happen if my writings are unintelligible. ;) Do > not hesitate to make constructive comments about the subject, content or > style. > > -- > John W. Colby > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From jwcolby at gmail.com Sun Feb 17 11:25:50 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 12:25:50 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Out of a paper bag In-Reply-To: References: <5120DBD9.3020609@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5121129E.1000503@gmail.com> Arthur, You were the one that told me that long ago. I thought I would allow you to lay claim to it if you so desired, without pointing fingers so to speak. ;) >I thought that a progress meter would be a useful class. I actually do that in a form in my framework. It turns out that forms are classes that can be the visual interface, host code and controls and so forth. So sure, let's do a progress meter. The one thing that needs to be understood is that VBA is 'single threaded' meaning that the user interface and the rest of the application is all running on a single thread and if something takes a long time to execute (a query for example), then the user interface appears to lock up. John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/17/2013 9:48 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I may have been the originator of that description of your literary > prowess. You've come a long way, baby! Even with my keen editor's eye, I > can't see much that warrants change. Keep up the good work. > > I don't know if you plan to get to it, but after reading your bit on the > Timer class, I thought that a progress meter would be a useful class. I'm > not sure exactly how it would work, but it would pop up a little screen > with a progress bar that expands to indicate the progress through a task > such as walking a recordset. I chose that example because as you could > discover the set-count initially and then as you process the set you could > call the Increment (or whatever) method to update the progress bar. > > Just a thought. > > A. From jwcolby at gmail.com Sun Feb 17 12:16:29 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 13:16:29 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Out of a paper bag In-Reply-To: References: <5120DBD9.3020609@gmail.com> Message-ID: <51211E7D.1040307@gmail.com> You certainly may! Actually you were one of the folks I was hoping would volunteer. I chose a blog simply because it allows me to start small and work up, adding subjects as they occurred to me. The downside is that they seem to be in date order so once written they remain in that order forever, which is not optimal for this kind of material. But hey, I am finally getting it out there. John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/17/2013 11:05 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > Hey, John, > > I'm a good writer and conversant with classes. Can I help? > > Charlotte > > On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 5:32 AM, John W Colby wrote: > >> http:\\jwcolby.blogspot.com >> >> I have been told that I cannot write my way out of a paper bag. If we >> have any English majors / writers who are interested in Classes and would >> like to edit my blog to make it more intelligible please speak up and I >> will get you set up to work with me on editing the blogs. >> >> This blog will be my contribution to the Access community and making a >> somewhat 'difficult' subject (classes / events) more accessible is my sole >> intention. That can't happen if my writings are unintelligible. ;) Do >> not hesitate to make constructive comments about the subject, content or >> style. >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> >> Reality is what refuses to go away >> when you do not believe in it >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Feb 17 13:54:30 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 11:54:30 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Out of a paper bag In-Reply-To: <5120DBD9.3020609@gmail.com> References: <5120DBD9.3020609@gmail.com> Message-ID: No problem John, nothing lost in translation. If you play with both Linux and Windows it is not long before you just don't know which way the slashes are supposed to go. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 5:32 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Out of a paper bag http:\\jwcolby.blogspot.com I have been told that I cannot write my way out of a paper bag. If we have any English majors / writers who are interested in Classes and would like to edit my blog to make it more intelligible please speak up and I will get you set up to work with me on editing the blogs. This blog will be my contribution to the Access community and making a somewhat 'difficult' subject (classes / events) more accessible is my sole intention. That can't happen if my writings are unintelligible. ;) Do not hesitate to make constructive comments about the subject, content or style. -- John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Feb 17 14:01:20 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 12:01:20 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Out of a paper bag In-Reply-To: References: <5120DBD9.3020609@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1018B0F9666646179B5C3AE6D6120D42@creativesystemdesigns.com> PS Your blog site and content looks excellent. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 11:55 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Out of a paper bag No problem John, nothing lost in translation. If you play with both Linux and Windows it is not long before you just don't know which way the slashes are supposed to go. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 5:32 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Out of a paper bag http:\\jwcolby.blogspot.com I have been told that I cannot write my way out of a paper bag. If we have any English majors / writers who are interested in Classes and would like to edit my blog to make it more intelligible please speak up and I will get you set up to work with me on editing the blogs. This blog will be my contribution to the Access community and making a somewhat 'difficult' subject (classes / events) more accessible is my sole intention. That can't happen if my writings are unintelligible. ;) Do not hesitate to make constructive comments about the subject, content or style. -- John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at gmail.com Sun Feb 17 18:21:59 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 19:21:59 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] jwcolby.blogspot.com comments Message-ID: <51217427.2070604@gmail.com> It appears that I had comments disabled. That is a very effective way to still dissent but not my intent. ;) I am hoping to pick up some readers who don't yet use classes or at least very often. I particularly want to hear from those readers. Leave comments and questions and I will address them. Thanks, -- John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Sun Feb 17 20:03:28 2013 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 02:03:28 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] jwcolby.blogspot.com comments In-Reply-To: <51217427.2070604@gmail.com> References: <51217427.2070604@gmail.com> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5344179BF@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Hi John, I have posted this link onto the Excel Forums (Excel-G and Excel-L) as I know there are a few folks there very interested in this. Really appreciate you taking the time and effort to do this. Would be good in you could update the tab names to something meaningful (like the first tab is) - right now they are listed as dates - I am looking at this in "sidebar" view if that is helpful. Cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby Sent: Monday, 18 February 2013 11:22 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] jwcolby.blogspot.com comments It appears that I had comments disabled. That is a very effective way to still dissent but not my intent. ;) I am hoping to pick up some readers who don't yet use classes or at least very often. I particularly want to hear from those readers. Leave comments and questions and I will address them. Thanks, -- John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Feb 17 20:25:47 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 21:25:47 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] jwcolby.blogspot.com comments In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5344179BF@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <51217427.2070604@gmail.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5344179BF@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: Darryl, What are the links to these two Excel groups? I think I want to join them. A. From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Sun Feb 17 20:41:59 2013 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 02:41:59 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] jwcolby.blogspot.com comments In-Reply-To: References: <51217427.2070604@gmail.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5344179BF@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534417A22@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Hi Arthur, There are two Excel lists I use, x-posting is not necessary - this is because most of the active members are subbed to both and the lists are loosely split between "easy stuff / harder stuff", although there is no hard rules on this. These lists are usually a lot of fun and have their share of characters (Pick the "John Colby" of Excel anyone? - hehehe). Traffic is enough to be useful but low enough not to clutter up my inbox. Been subbed to both lists for years and years now - (hell, probably more than 10 years...). great stuff. '-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Excel-G http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/excel-g.html EXCEL-G is a list where the general or casual user of EXCEL can get help for more everyday questions. '-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Excel-L http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/excel-l.html The Excel Developers List's reason for existence is to serve as a forum on the Internet for people who are doing, or want to do, sophisticated things with Microsoft Excel. We want to encourage exploration of Excel's nooks and crannies (Hey! Undocumented: FOO.BAR macro works on arrays!), and as much as possible, avoid the well-worn paths (How do I insert rows?). While we do expect some degree of sophistication from our posters, new or casual Excel users are welcome to read the list. '-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subbing up is free, painless and easy - very much like Access-D. Cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, 18 February 2013 1:26 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] jwcolby.blogspot.com comments Darryl, What are the links to these two Excel groups? I think I want to join them. A. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Feb 17 20:46:43 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 21:46:43 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] jwcolby.blogspot.com comments In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534417A22@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <51217427.2070604@gmail.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5344179BF@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534417A22@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: Thanks! I just sub'd to Excel-L. A. From jwcolby at gmail.com Sun Feb 17 22:00:10 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 23:00:10 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] jwcolby.blogspot.com comments In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5344179BF@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <51217427.2070604@gmail.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5344179BF@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <5121A74A.6060303@gmail.com> I wondered why I was getting traffic from an excel url. John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/17/2013 9:03 PM, Darryl Collins wrote: > Hi John, > > I have posted this link onto the Excel Forums (Excel-G and Excel-L) as I know there are a few folks there very interested in this. Really appreciate you taking the time and effort to do this. Would be good in you could update the tab names to something meaningful (like the first tab is) - right now they are listed as dates - I am looking at this in "sidebar" view if that is helpful. > > Cheers > Darryl. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby > Sent: Monday, 18 February 2013 11:22 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] jwcolby.blogspot.com comments > > It appears that I had comments disabled. That is a very effective way to still dissent but not my intent. > > ;) > > I am hoping to pick up some readers who don't yet use classes or at least very often. I particularly want to hear from those readers. Leave comments and questions and I will address them. > > Thanks, > > -- > John W. Colby > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Feb 17 22:16:32 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 23:16:32 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] jwcolby.blogspot.com comments In-Reply-To: <5121A74A.6060303@gmail.com> References: <51217427.2070604@gmail.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5344179BF@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <5121A74A.6060303@gmail.com> Message-ID: Huh? I subscribed myself, not you. A. On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 11:00 PM, John W Colby wrote: > I wondered why I was getting traffic from an excel url. > > > John W. Colby > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > > On 2/17/2013 9:03 PM, Darryl Collins wrote: > >> Hi John, >> >> I have posted this link onto the Excel Forums (Excel-G and Excel-L) as I >> know there are a few folks there very interested in this. Really >> appreciate you taking the time and effort to do this. Would be good in you >> could update the tab names to something meaningful (like the first tab is) >> - right now they are listed as dates - I am looking at this in "sidebar" >> view if that is helpful. >> >> Cheers >> Darryl. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com[mailto: >> accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com] >> On Behalf Of John W Colby >> Sent: Monday, 18 February 2013 11:22 AM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: [AccessD] jwcolby.blogspot.com comments >> >> It appears that I had comments disabled. That is a very effective way to >> still dissent but not my intent. >> >> ;) >> >> I am hoping to pick up some readers who don't yet use classes or at least >> very often. I particularly want to hear from those readers. Leave >> comments and questions and I will address them. >> >> Thanks, >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> >> Reality is what refuses to go away >> when you do not believe in it >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> >> >> >> -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From jwcolby at gmail.com Mon Feb 18 05:38:54 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 06:38:54 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] jwcolby.blogspot.com comments In-Reply-To: References: <51217427.2070604@gmail.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5344179BF@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <5121A74A.6060303@gmail.com> Message-ID: <512212CE.3060205@gmail.com> I am getting pageviews from academy.excelhero.com John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/17/2013 11:16 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Huh? I subscribed myself, not you. > > A. > > > On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 11:00 PM, John W Colby wrote: > >> I wondered why I was getting traffic from an excel url. >> >> >> John W. Colby >> >> Reality is what refuses to go away >> when you do not believe in it >> >> >> On 2/17/2013 9:03 PM, Darryl Collins wrote: >> >>> Hi John, >>> >>> I have posted this link onto the Excel Forums (Excel-G and Excel-L) as I >>> know there are a few folks there very interested in this. Really >>> appreciate you taking the time and effort to do this. Would be good in you >>> could update the tab names to something meaningful (like the first tab is) >>> - right now they are listed as dates - I am looking at this in "sidebar" >>> view if that is helpful. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Darryl. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com[mailto: >>> accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com] >>> On Behalf Of John W Colby >>> Sent: Monday, 18 February 2013 11:22 AM >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>> Subject: [AccessD] jwcolby.blogspot.com comments >>> >>> It appears that I had comments disabled. That is a very effective way to >>> still dissent but not my intent. >>> >>> ;) >>> >>> I am hoping to pick up some readers who don't yet use classes or at least >>> very often. I particularly want to hear from those readers. Leave >>> comments and questions and I will address them. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> -- >>> John W. Colby >>> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away >>> when you do not believe in it >>> >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> > > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Feb 18 07:38:05 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 08:38:05 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Posting an Article Message-ID: It's been a long time since I posted an article to DataBasedAdvisors -- so long, in fact, that I've forgotten how to do it. I have a new article called "TreeViews -- A Powerful, Simple Alternative", that I would like to post. Will someone remind me how to do it? TIA, -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 The most likely way for the world to be destroyed, most experts agree, is by accident. That's where we come in; we're computer professionals. We cause accidents. -Nathaniel Borenstein From carbonnb at gmail.com Mon Feb 18 08:29:03 2013 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 09:29:03 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Posting an Article In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Talk to Jim Lawrence, accessd at Shaw.ca It's been a long time since I posted an article to DataBasedAdvisors -- so long, in fact, that I've forgotten how to do it. I have a new article called "TreeViews -- A Powerful, Simple Alternative", that I would like to post. Will someone remind me how to do it? TIA, -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 The most likely way for the world to be destroyed, most experts agree, is by accident. That's where we come in; we're computer professionals. We cause accidents. -Nathaniel Borenstein< http://www.quoteland.com/author/Nathaniel-Borenstein-Quotes/63/> -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From df.waters at comcast.net Mon Feb 18 09:06:18 2013 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 09:06:18 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Posting an Article In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000c01ce0de9$81948b60$84bda220$@comcast.net> Hmmm - could be a good article for Arthur's Blog! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 7:38 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Posting an Article It's been a long time since I posted an article to DataBasedAdvisors -- so long, in fact, that I've forgotten how to do it. I have a new article called "TreeViews -- A Powerful, Simple Alternative", that I would like to post. Will someone remind me how to do it? TIA, -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 The most likely way for the world to be destroyed, most experts agree, is by accident. That's where we come in; we're computer professionals. We cause accidents. -Nathaniel Borenstein -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Feb 18 10:38:09 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 11:38:09 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Posting an Article In-Reply-To: <000c01ce0de9$81948b60$84bda220$@comcast.net> References: <000c01ce0de9$81948b60$84bda220$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Actually, Dan, I posted it there as well. It's there awaiting your eager little eyes :) Arthur From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Feb 18 11:37:09 2013 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 12:37:09 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Posting an Article References: Message-ID: <2F65F8A0A03546B888771ECEAE5EC2FB@SusanHarkins> We use to have a routine and several volunteers who read/edited each piece, but nobody submits anything anymore -- I don't even remember who used to do that. :( Jim use to put up whatever he liked. I don't think anyone edits anything, which probably isn't a great idea. Susan H. > Talk to Jim Lawrence, accessd at Shaw.ca > It's been a long time since I posted an article to DataBasedAdvisors -- so > long, in fact, that I've forgotten how to do it. > > I have a new article called "TreeViews -- A Powerful, Simple Alternative", > that I would like to post. > > Will someone remind me how to do it? > From df.waters at comcast.net Mon Feb 18 11:44:08 2013 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 11:44:08 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Posting an Article In-Reply-To: References: <000c01ce0de9$81948b60$84bda220$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <004901ce0dff$8ded3e00$a9c7ba00$@comcast.net> Where did you post it? I don't see it on the databaseadvisor site. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 10:38 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Posting an Article Actually, Dan, I posted it there as well. It's there awaiting your eager little eyes :) Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Feb 18 11:52:24 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 12:52:24 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Posting an Article In-Reply-To: <004901ce0dff$8ded3e00$a9c7ba00$@comcast.net> References: <000c01ce0de9$81948b60$84bda220$@comcast.net> <004901ce0dff$8ded3e00$a9c7ba00$@comcast.net> Message-ID: It's on my blog (http://artfulopinions.blogspot.ca/), but no zip file is attached. Tony Septav asked me for an example, and I whipped one up using Northwind in slightly under 15 minutes. That should say something about how simple this approach is :) I sent the archive to Jim Lawrence to post on the DBA site along with the article. I'm not sure how long that will take. If you really cannot wait, I can send it to you directly. A. On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Dan Waters wrote: > Where did you post it? I don't see it on the databaseadvisor site. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 10:38 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Posting an Article > > Actually, Dan, I posted it there as well. It's there awaiting your eager > little eyes :) > > Arthur > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Feb 18 16:12:07 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 14:12:07 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Posting an Article In-Reply-To: <2F65F8A0A03546B888771ECEAE5EC2FB@SusanHarkins> References: <2F65F8A0A03546B888771ECEAE5EC2FB@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: "...Jim use to put up whatever he liked. I don't think anyone edits Anything..."; Susan Harkins. As the DBA website was a community site it relied on contributions from the Accessd community. The more involvement the more contribution the site would need. Over the years the site slowly became the soul responsibility of myself to make sure the site was up and running, to add all the features and content, approach all for contributions, in lue of that, to find all the content and to make it all fit within a stable and standardized framework. The site went from just a community site to a site designed to showcase the talents and businesses of the various members. It seemed the sites popularity continued to grow (almost 3000 hits a week) but community's contribution lagged. Finally, it reached a point where one of two roads had to be chosen. One, of much more community involvement would be required so the site's responsibilities could be spread more evenly or two, the site would have to become commercial so that some of the costs of time and labour of the contributions could be sponsored and appropriately encouraged...in otherwise, it would have to become a business. Neither of the two alternatives were followed up on. If you want to follow the first option then it is YOU that must step forward and take responsibility for it is not any individuals position to assume soul responsibility or blame that the site has not lived up to personal expectation because it is equally YOUR site. Enough said. Jim PS. Susan use to be the editor but she has forgotten. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 9:37 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Posting an Article We use to have a routine and several volunteers who read/edited each piece, but nobody submits anything anymore -- I don't even remember who used to do that. :( Jim use to put up whatever he liked. I don't think anyone edits anything, which probably isn't a great idea. Susan H. > Talk to Jim Lawrence, accessd at Shaw.ca > It's been a long time since I posted an article to DataBasedAdvisors -- so > long, in fact, that I've forgotten how to do it. > > I have a new article called "TreeViews -- A Powerful, Simple Alternative", > that I would like to post. > > Will someone remind me how to do it? > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From BradM at blackforestltd.com Mon Feb 18 16:19:44 2013 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 16:19:44 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Adding Bar Coding and Scanners to an Access Application - Thanks! References: , , <511D56D0.19354.234AD2B2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: All, Thanks to everyone who shared their ideas and insights about Bar Coding and Scanners. I now have an Access Report with Bar Codes (downloaded a font from the Internet). I really appreciate the assistance. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 3:28 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Adding Bar Coding and Scanners to an AccessApplication I'd recommend 3 of 9 coding. Google "frree 3of9". There are quite a few fonts out there. Pick one that you like and download and instal it. The rules for 3of9 are very simple, you just use an asterisk as a stop and stsart character. So to put JobNum on a report, set a textbox to ="*" & Jobnum & "*" set it's font to 3of9 On 14 Feb 2013 at 12:25, David McAfee wrote: > There was even a free 3 of 9 font that I downloaded and used in one of my > projects. > > This was the site listed in the readme: > http://www.squaregear.net/fonts/(which is now blocked at my company). > > If you can't find it online anywhere, I have the zip file which contains > the font. > > HTH, > David McAfee > > On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > > It's been a while since I've done bar codes, too. But I do recall that > > there are several such fonts, and they are all unique, reflecting different > > schemes. One was called Code 3 of 9, IIRC. > > > > A. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Feb 18 16:26:10 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 14:26:10 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Remove follow up item Message-ID: Dear List: Does anyone know how to remove an item from the follow up folder without deleting it from the follow up folder which also deletes the email from its original location? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at gmail.com Mon Feb 18 16:44:37 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 17:44:37 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Adding Bar Coding and Scanners to an Access Application - Thanks! In-Reply-To: References: , , <511D56D0.19354.234AD2B2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <5122AED5.9040109@gmail.com> Printing the bar codes is the easy part. Scanning them into Access is more complex, depending on the needs. I did this in the nineties down in Mexico. I ended up using a serial port scanner so that I could have absolute control on the read and getting the data to the right place. These 'keyboard wedges' work but can be problematic. John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/18/2013 5:19 PM, Brad Marks wrote: > All, > > Thanks to everyone who shared their ideas and insights about Bar Coding > and Scanners. > > I now have an Access Report with Bar Codes (downloaded a font from the > Internet). > > I really appreciate the assistance. > > Brad > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart > McLachlan > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 3:28 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Adding Bar Coding and Scanners to an > AccessApplication > > I'd recommend 3 of 9 coding. Google "frree 3of9". There are quite a > few fonts out there. > > Pick one that you like and download and instal it. The rules for 3of9 > are very simple, you just > use an asterisk as a stop and stsart character. So to put JobNum on a > report, set a textbox > to ="*" & Jobnum & "*" set it's font to 3of9 > > > On 14 Feb 2013 at 12:25, David McAfee wrote: > >> There was even a free 3 of 9 font that I downloaded and used in one of > my >> projects. >> >> This was the site listed in the readme: >> http://www.squaregear.net/fonts/(which is now blocked at my company). >> >> If you can't find it online anywhere, I have the zip file which > contains >> the font. >> >> HTH, >> David McAfee >> >> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Arthur Fuller > wrote: >>> It's been a while since I've done bar codes, too. But I do recall > that >>> there are several such fonts, and they are all unique, reflecting > different >>> schemes. One was called Code 3 of 9, IIRC. >>> >>> A. >>> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > From paul.hartland at googlemail.com Mon Feb 18 17:04:43 2013 From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 23:04:43 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] OT - Best Web Language Message-ID: To all, The other day I posted an OT about starting to learn VB.net whilst I am out of work, I am using the Microsoft Visual Studio Express as I can't afford to purchase the full Visual Studio suite, and I got some very useful answers and pointers etc. Today I have been contacted by a recruitment agency that has an off the shelf product linked into SQL Server, and want to employ someone on a contract basis to develop a more bespoke front end, but will also want a web front end which will enable their staff to logon and fill in their timesheet etc, and I was wondering what would be the best or mixture of languages to use ASP, PHP, Java, HTML etc and if I write something how could I test it on my machine at home ? as I have a meeting with them this Friday 22nd February, it sounds like they would be willing to spend a little on a training course for me, but not holding them to it. Thank you for any help in advance. -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Feb 18 18:28:28 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 16:28:28 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] OT - Best Web Language In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Paul: It looks like it is going to take a bit of effort to get up to speed quickly. Just a quick couple of comments. It appears that they are a Microsoft shop as they have a MS SQL BE DB so ASP.Net as the server BE language may be your best approach. The FE webpages will be a combination of HTML, CSS and JavaScript...ASP.Net later. You can test these web pages by just saving the page with the extension of HTML and just double clicking on the result and it will run on the default browser. Look for sample code (there is thousnds of code samples out there) and dig through an appropriate example until you understand the syntax and what it is doing. Connecting and testing the result with page with a language like ASP.Net in them assumes a few things. An IIS server; it is free and I think it runs on any Windows machine and comes default with the ASP.Net interpeter on it. Connection start page to web server is a point of further discussing and if you can just get a simple web page running on your default browser we can go the next step. http://www.w3schools.com is a good place to start. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hartland Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 3:05 PM To: Access List Subject: [AccessD] OT - Best Web Language To all, The other day I posted an OT about starting to learn VB.net whilst I am out of work, I am using the Microsoft Visual Studio Express as I can't afford to purchase the full Visual Studio suite, and I got some very useful answers and pointers etc. Today I have been contacted by a recruitment agency that has an off the shelf product linked into SQL Server, and want to employ someone on a contract basis to develop a more bespoke front end, but will also want a web front end which will enable their staff to logon and fill in their timesheet etc, and I was wondering what would be the best or mixture of languages to use ASP, PHP, Java, HTML etc and if I write something how could I test it on my machine at home ? as I have a meeting with them this Friday 22nd February, it sounds like they would be willing to spend a little on a training course for me, but not holding them to it. Thank you for any help in advance. -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Mon Feb 18 19:06:47 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 17:06:47 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] OT - Best Web Language In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Paul, If I was to recommend a scripting language / framework that allows you to rapidly develop from end code, I think I would have to recommend Ruby on Rails as hands down the fastest way of building out a website. However, if you are not familiar with Ruby on Rails, it might take you some time to adjust (but CodeSchool has some great hands-on tutorials to get you started quickly - ie. Rails for Zombies ). Otherwise, I've heard some good things about ASP.NET MVC and this may be more familiar to you, but if you are also familiar with PHP, I would probably go in the PHP direction instead of ASP. It is more popular than ASP, the frameworks are more solid and you can get far more reusable code from places like PHPClasses and such. If you are happy to go the PHP way, go with either Symfonyor CakePHP as frameworks. They are the best of the breed, in my opinion. * Hans-Christian Andersen **Web Application Developer, Vancouver, Canada* On 18 February 2013 15:04, Paul Hartland wrote: > To all, > > The other day I posted an OT about starting to learn VB.net whilst I am out > of work, I am using the Microsoft Visual Studio Express as I can't afford > to purchase the full Visual Studio suite, and I got some very useful > answers and pointers etc. Today I have been contacted by a recruitment > agency that has an off the shelf product linked into SQL Server, and want > to employ someone on a contract basis to develop a more bespoke front end, > but will also want a web front end which will enable their staff to logon > and fill in their timesheet etc, and I was wondering what would be the best > or mixture of languages to use ASP, PHP, Java, HTML etc and if I write > something how could I test it on my machine at home ? as I have a meeting > with them this Friday 22nd February, it sounds like they would be willing > to spend a little on a training course for me, but not holding them to it. > > Thank you for any help in advance. > > -- > Paul Hartland > paul.hartland at googlemail.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marksimms at verizon.net Mon Feb 18 19:23:20 2013 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 20:23:20 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT - Best Web Language In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00e201ce0e3f$b4aba780$1e02f680$@net> I agree with Jim and might add: you are really taking on a lot in a short period of time. Be prepared for little sleep. Webdev has always been a sausage-making-like endeavor. I've been waiting for that to change...but alas, despite PHP, ASP.NET, JQuery, HTML5, Silverlight, etc. all becoming compelling solutions, no one solution has surfaced as "king" of webdev. Interestingly, what I got involved with recently is the LEGAL aspects of websites. If you attempt (As I am about to do) to post true, but derogatory material on the web....it will be taken down even if it's 100% totally true and accurate. Free speech is no longer in the USA. Period. Lawyers run the country. A blogsite on the ever so popular Wordpress website can be taken down with ONE PHONE CALL FROM A LAWYER...no questions asked. If he complains, it comes down. If his allegations are BOGUS, it still comes down. You want to challenge that ? Be prepared to spend at least $20k in legal expenses....depositions and even a jury trial. I've found a solution with webhosting services in Belize and Singapore who only honor THEIR legal system's rules and laws. Essentially, to "take down" sites hosted there would require a US State department initiated Seal Team attack akin to the one on Osama Bin Laden. Wait ! There's more. Having sites at these remote locations still does not prevent your enemies (the ones you are writing about) to hit you with DDOS attacks (Distributed Denial of Service) to prevent publicity of their wrong-doings. So you have to purchase special services like this: http://www.cloudflare.com/features-security This effectively adds another layer of sentinel security albeit at the cost of an extra "hop" or two. This all came about after I was rejected by a newspaper...who feared they would be sued if the material was published. So I thought the web would be an easy alternative. How wrong I was. > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd- > bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 7:28 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Best Web Language > > Hi Paul: > > It looks like it is going to take a bit of effort to get up to speed > quickly. > > Just a quick couple of comments. It appears that they are a Microsoft > shop > as they have a MS SQL BE DB so ASP.Net as the server BE language may be > your > best approach. The FE webpages will be a combination of HTML, CSS and > JavaScript...ASP.Net later. You can test these web pages by just saving > the > page with the extension of HTML and just double clicking on the result > and > it will run on the default browser. > > Look for sample code (there is thousnds of code samples out there) and > dig > through an appropriate example until you understand the syntax and what > it > is doing. > > Connecting and testing the result with page with a language like > ASP.Net in > them assumes a few things. An IIS server; it is free and I think it > runs on > any Windows machine and comes default with the ASP.Net interpeter on > it. > Connection start page to web server is a point of further discussing > and if > you can just get a simple web page running on your default browser we > can go > the next step. > > http://www.w3schools.com is a good place to start. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul > Hartland > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 3:05 PM > To: Access List > Subject: [AccessD] OT - Best Web Language > > To all, > > The other day I posted an OT about starting to learn VB.net whilst I am > out > of work, I am using the Microsoft Visual Studio Express as I can't > afford > to purchase the full Visual Studio suite, and I got some very useful > answers and pointers etc. Today I have been contacted by a recruitment > agency that has an off the shelf product linked into SQL Server, and > want > to employ someone on a contract basis to develop a more bespoke front > end, > but will also want a web front end which will enable their staff to > logon > and fill in their timesheet etc, and I was wondering what would be the > best > or mixture of languages to use ASP, PHP, Java, HTML etc and if I write > something how could I test it on my machine at home ? as I have a > meeting > with them this Friday 22nd February, it sounds like they would be > willing > to spend a little on a training course for me, but not holding them to > it. > > Thank you for any help in advance. > > -- > Paul Hartland > paul.hartland at googlemail.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Mon Feb 18 21:10:14 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 19:10:14 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] OT - Best Web Language In-Reply-To: <00e201ce0e3f$b4aba780$1e02f680$@net> References: <00e201ce0e3f$b4aba780$1e02f680$@net> Message-ID: <232F035A-00CB-4631-BED0-3D3722820B07@phulse.com> Doesn't freedom of speech in America only protect your right to say (almost) anything without fear of censorship from the government? - Hans On 2013-02-18, at 5:23 PM, "Mark Simms" wrote: > I agree with Jim and might add: you are really taking on a lot in a short > period of time. > Be prepared for little sleep. > Webdev has always been a sausage-making-like endeavor. > I've been waiting for that to change...but alas, despite PHP, ASP.NET, > JQuery, HTML5, Silverlight, etc. all becoming compelling solutions, no one > solution has surfaced as "king" of webdev. > > Interestingly, what I got involved with recently is the LEGAL aspects of > websites. > If you attempt (As I am about to do) to post true, but derogatory material > on the web....it will be taken down even if it's 100% totally true and > accurate. > Free speech is no longer in the USA. Period. Lawyers run the country. > A blogsite on the ever so popular Wordpress website can be taken down with > ONE PHONE CALL FROM A LAWYER...no questions asked. If he complains, it comes > down. If his allegations are BOGUS, it still comes down. > You want to challenge that ? Be prepared to spend at least $20k in legal > expenses....depositions and even a jury trial. > > I've found a solution with webhosting services in Belize and Singapore who > only honor THEIR legal system's rules and laws. > Essentially, to "take down" sites hosted there would require a US State > department initiated Seal Team attack akin to the one on Osama Bin Laden. > > Wait ! There's more. Having sites at these remote locations still does not > prevent your enemies (the ones you are writing about) to hit you with DDOS > attacks (Distributed Denial of Service) to prevent publicity of their > wrong-doings. > So you have to purchase special services like this: > http://www.cloudflare.com/features-security This effectively adds another > layer of sentinel security albeit at the cost of an extra "hop" or two. > > This all came about after I was rejected by a newspaper...who feared they > would be sued if the material was published. So I thought the web would be > an easy alternative. How wrong I was. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd- >> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence >> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 7:28 PM >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Best Web Language >> >> Hi Paul: >> >> It looks like it is going to take a bit of effort to get up to speed >> quickly. >> >> Just a quick couple of comments. It appears that they are a Microsoft >> shop >> as they have a MS SQL BE DB so ASP.Net as the server BE language may be >> your >> best approach. The FE webpages will be a combination of HTML, CSS and >> JavaScript...ASP.Net later. You can test these web pages by just saving >> the >> page with the extension of HTML and just double clicking on the result >> and >> it will run on the default browser. >> >> Look for sample code (there is thousnds of code samples out there) and >> dig >> through an appropriate example until you understand the syntax and what >> it >> is doing. >> >> Connecting and testing the result with page with a language like >> ASP.Net in >> them assumes a few things. An IIS server; it is free and I think it >> runs on >> any Windows machine and comes default with the ASP.Net interpeter on >> it. >> Connection start page to web server is a point of further discussing >> and if >> you can just get a simple web page running on your default browser we >> can go >> the next step. >> >> http://www.w3schools.com is a good place to start. >> >> Jim >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul >> Hartland >> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 3:05 PM >> To: Access List >> Subject: [AccessD] OT - Best Web Language >> >> To all, >> >> The other day I posted an OT about starting to learn VB.net whilst I am >> out >> of work, I am using the Microsoft Visual Studio Express as I can't >> afford >> to purchase the full Visual Studio suite, and I got some very useful >> answers and pointers etc. Today I have been contacted by a recruitment >> agency that has an off the shelf product linked into SQL Server, and >> want >> to employ someone on a contract basis to develop a more bespoke front >> end, >> but will also want a web front end which will enable their staff to >> logon >> and fill in their timesheet etc, and I was wondering what would be the >> best >> or mixture of languages to use ASP, PHP, Java, HTML etc and if I write >> something how could I test it on my machine at home ? as I have a >> meeting >> with them this Friday 22nd February, it sounds like they would be >> willing >> to spend a little on a training course for me, but not holding them to >> it. >> >> Thank you for any help in advance. >> >> -- >> Paul Hartland >> paul.hartland at googlemail.com >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Feb 18 21:51:18 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 19:51:18 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] OT - Best Web Language In-Reply-To: <00e201ce0e3f$b4aba780$1e02f680$@net> References: <00e201ce0e3f$b4aba780$1e02f680$@net> Message-ID: Hi Mark: Wow, that restriction seems to violate everything in a Democratic country or any Democracy for that matter. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 5:23 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Best Web Language I agree with Jim and might add: you are really taking on a lot in a short period of time. Be prepared for little sleep. Webdev has always been a sausage-making-like endeavor. I've been waiting for that to change...but alas, despite PHP, ASP.NET, JQuery, HTML5, Silverlight, etc. all becoming compelling solutions, no one solution has surfaced as "king" of webdev. Interestingly, what I got involved with recently is the LEGAL aspects of websites. If you attempt (As I am about to do) to post true, but derogatory material on the web....it will be taken down even if it's 100% totally true and accurate. Free speech is no longer in the USA. Period. Lawyers run the country. A blogsite on the ever so popular Wordpress website can be taken down with ONE PHONE CALL FROM A LAWYER...no questions asked. If he complains, it comes down. If his allegations are BOGUS, it still comes down. You want to challenge that ? Be prepared to spend at least $20k in legal expenses....depositions and even a jury trial. I've found a solution with webhosting services in Belize and Singapore who only honor THEIR legal system's rules and laws. Essentially, to "take down" sites hosted there would require a US State department initiated Seal Team attack akin to the one on Osama Bin Laden. Wait ! There's more. Having sites at these remote locations still does not prevent your enemies (the ones you are writing about) to hit you with DDOS attacks (Distributed Denial of Service) to prevent publicity of their wrong-doings. So you have to purchase special services like this: http://www.cloudflare.com/features-security This effectively adds another layer of sentinel security albeit at the cost of an extra "hop" or two. This all came about after I was rejected by a newspaper...who feared they would be sued if the material was published. So I thought the web would be an easy alternative. How wrong I was. > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd- > bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 7:28 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Best Web Language > > Hi Paul: > > It looks like it is going to take a bit of effort to get up to speed > quickly. > > Just a quick couple of comments. It appears that they are a Microsoft > shop > as they have a MS SQL BE DB so ASP.Net as the server BE language may be > your > best approach. The FE webpages will be a combination of HTML, CSS and > JavaScript...ASP.Net later. You can test these web pages by just saving > the > page with the extension of HTML and just double clicking on the result > and > it will run on the default browser. > > Look for sample code (there is thousnds of code samples out there) and > dig > through an appropriate example until you understand the syntax and what > it > is doing. > > Connecting and testing the result with page with a language like > ASP.Net in > them assumes a few things. An IIS server; it is free and I think it > runs on > any Windows machine and comes default with the ASP.Net interpeter on > it. > Connection start page to web server is a point of further discussing > and if > you can just get a simple web page running on your default browser we > can go > the next step. > > http://www.w3schools.com is a good place to start. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul > Hartland > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 3:05 PM > To: Access List > Subject: [AccessD] OT - Best Web Language > > To all, > > The other day I posted an OT about starting to learn VB.net whilst I am > out > of work, I am using the Microsoft Visual Studio Express as I can't > afford > to purchase the full Visual Studio suite, and I got some very useful > answers and pointers etc. Today I have been contacted by a recruitment > agency that has an off the shelf product linked into SQL Server, and > want > to employ someone on a contract basis to develop a more bespoke front > end, > but will also want a web front end which will enable their staff to > logon > and fill in their timesheet etc, and I was wondering what would be the > best > or mixture of languages to use ASP, PHP, Java, HTML etc and if I write > something how could I test it on my machine at home ? as I have a > meeting > with them this Friday 22nd February, it sounds like they would be > willing > to spend a little on a training course for me, but not holding them to > it. > > Thank you for any help in advance. > > -- > Paul Hartland > paul.hartland at googlemail.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Feb 18 23:18:37 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 00:18:37 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT - Best Web Language In-Reply-To: References: <00e201ce0e3f$b4aba780$1e02f680$@net> Message-ID: As the old saying goes, "Freedom of the press is always available, to those who can afford a printing press." Way back when I was in school, I took a course in advertising, and had an assignment to come up with a TV ad for the lottery. Three people were in my ad. The first said, "I'd buy a yacht." The second said, "I'd buy an island." The third one said, "I'd buy a politician." A. From john at winhaven.net Mon Feb 18 23:29:25 2013 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 23:29:25 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] OT - Best Web Language In-Reply-To: References: <00e201ce0e3f$b4aba780$1e02f680$@net> Message-ID: <000701ce0e62$148a87d0$3d9f9770$@winhaven.net> lol -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 11:19 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Best Web Language As the old saying goes, "Freedom of the press is always available, to those who can afford a printing press." Way back when I was in school, I took a course in advertising, and had an assignment to come up with a TV ad for the lottery. Three people were in my ad. The first said, "I'd buy a yacht." The second said, "I'd buy an island." The third one said, "I'd buy a politician." A. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From paul.hartland at googlemail.com Tue Feb 19 00:21:07 2013 From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 06:21:07 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] OT - Best Web Language In-Reply-To: <000701ce0e62$148a87d0$3d9f9770$@winhaven.net> References: <00e201ce0e3f$b4aba780$1e02f680$@net> <000701ce0e62$148a87d0$3d9f9770$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Thank you to everyone for their responses, currently 6:21am here in the UK now so time to fill my brain with lots of web stuff lol On 19 February 2013 05:29, John Bartow wrote: > lol > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 11:19 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Best Web Language > > As the old saying goes, "Freedom of the press is always available, to those > who can afford a printing press." > > Way back when I was in school, I took a course in advertising, and had an > assignment to come up with a TV ad for the lottery. Three people were in my > ad. > > The first said, "I'd buy a yacht." > The second said, "I'd buy an island." > The third one said, "I'd buy a politician." > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Feb 19 02:07:27 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 00:07:27 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] OT - Best Web Language In-Reply-To: References: <00e201ce0e3f$b4aba780$1e02f680$@net> Message-ID: <9B20B5AE53AE4C86BF92B32B0B4395C6@creativesystemdesigns.com> Good one Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 9:19 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Best Web Language As the old saying goes, "Freedom of the press is always available, to those who can afford a printing press." Way back when I was in school, I took a course in advertising, and had an assignment to come up with a TV ad for the lottery. Three people were in my ad. The first said, "I'd buy a yacht." The second said, "I'd buy an island." The third one said, "I'd buy a politician." A. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 08:00:02 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 09:00:02 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Phone Number Input Mask Message-ID: I'm trying to devise a mask for a 10-digit North-American style phone number, *plus* room for an optional extension. I modified the built-in mask but it's not quite working. The mask I have now is: !\(999") "000\-0000" Ext. "99999;;_ When I enter the number "6477101314234" I expect to see (647) 710-1314 Ext. 234 and indeed, that's what I'm seeing *until *I press the Tab key to exit the field. Then the display changes to this: ( 6) 477-1013 Ext. 14234 As BatMan might ask his butler Alfred, "Can you fix my mask?" TIA, -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 08:31:57 2013 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 09:31:57 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Phone Number Input Mask References: Message-ID: <19E1FCDF3ADF482EB91C0EBA2E6CBE2E@SusanHarkins> Arthur, you might just have a request that can't actually be completely fulfilled. What happens when you delete the !? If you force from the right, and allow for five digits, but might only have two in the extension, well, the mask has no way of knowing that it just fill only 3 instead of 5. Since you have five digits possible in the ext component and you're forcing a right fill, it's going to fill all five. Susan H. > I'm trying to devise a mask for a 10-digit North-American style phone > number, *plus* room for an optional extension. I modified the built-in > mask > but it's not quite working. The mask I have now is: > > !\(999") "000\-0000" Ext. "99999;;_ > > When I enter the number "6477101314234" I expect to see > > (647) 710-1314 Ext. 234 > > and indeed, that's what I'm seeing *until *I press the Tab key to exit the > field. Then the display changes to this: > > ( 6) 477-1013 Ext. 14234 > > As BatMan might ask his butler Alfred, "Can you fix my mask?" > > TIA, From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 08:59:24 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 09:59:24 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Phone Number Input Mask In-Reply-To: <19E1FCDF3ADF482EB91C0EBA2E6CBE2E@SusanHarkins> References: <19E1FCDF3ADF482EB91C0EBA2E6CBE2E@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: Susan, I learn something new every day. In my lazy old age, I've almost always just selected masks from the wizard and never did know what the bang was for. Removing it did the trick. A. From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 09:10:24 2013 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 10:10:24 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Phone Number Input Mask References: <19E1FCDF3ADF482EB91C0EBA2E6CBE2E@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <566524C9652143F1B556EC000BB12551@SusanHarkins> Yeah! Glad to help. :) I don't know what will happen with a number that has no area code and only three extension numbers -- ought to test for that. :) > Susan, > > I learn something new every day. In my lazy old age, I've almost always > just selected masks from the wizard and never did know what the bang was > for. Removing it did the trick. > From marksimms at verizon.net Tue Feb 19 11:39:54 2013 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 12:39:54 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT - Best Web Language In-Reply-To: References: <00e201ce0e3f$b4aba780$1e02f680$@net> Message-ID: <00b801ce0ec8$214919d0$63db4d70$@net> And indeed, if everyone hasn't figured it out by now: my opponents HAVE BOT-OUT A POLITICIAN and a JUDGE and my own attorney. > > The first said, "I'd buy a yacht." > The second said, "I'd buy an island." > The third one said, "I'd buy a politician." > From marksimms at verizon.net Tue Feb 19 11:40:56 2013 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 12:40:56 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT - Best Web Language In-Reply-To: References: <00e201ce0e3f$b4aba780$1e02f680$@net> Message-ID: <00b901ce0ec8$46103b40$d230b1c0$@net> Jim - those days are LONNNNNGGGG GONE. That was back in the 50's and 60's. Today's America is quite "different". > Hi Mark: > > Wow, that restriction seems to violate everything in a Democratic > country or any Democracy for that matter. > > Jim From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Tue Feb 19 12:15:43 2013 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 12:15:43 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Treeview - Worth a look. Message-ID: <201302191815.r1JIFjTL028419@databaseadvisors.com> Hey All Arthur Fuller's pseudo treeview is certainly worth a look. My only complaint is "Why did the old fart not develop this a few years ago when I could have used it". Nowadays new Access projects are drying up faster then the Sahara. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Feb 19 13:09:18 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 11:09:18 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] OT - Best Web Language In-Reply-To: <00b801ce0ec8$214919d0$63db4d70$@net> References: <00e201ce0e3f$b4aba780$1e02f680$@net> <00b801ce0ec8$214919d0$63db4d70$@net> Message-ID: Hi Mark: I would be very interested in hearing more about this situation, assuming that you are not bound by some gag order. But it would best to be posted to the OT list as that is the best venue for this type of topic and in addition that list's contents are not exposed to web. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 9:40 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Best Web Language And indeed, if everyone hasn't figured it out by now: my opponents HAVE BOT-OUT A POLITICIAN and a JUDGE and my own attorney. > > The first said, "I'd buy a yacht." > The second said, "I'd buy an island." > The third one said, "I'd buy a politician." > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Feb 19 13:09:56 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 11:09:56 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] OT - Best Web Language In-Reply-To: <00b901ce0ec8$46103b40$d230b1c0$@net> References: <00e201ce0e3f$b4aba780$1e02f680$@net> <00b901ce0ec8$46103b40$d230b1c0$@net> Message-ID: Hi Mark... Please refer to my previous post. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 9:41 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Best Web Language Jim - those days are LONNNNNGGGG GONE. That was back in the 50's and 60's. Today's America is quite "different". > Hi Mark: > > Wow, that restriction seems to violate everything in a Democratic > country or any Democracy for that matter. > > Jim -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Feb 19 13:13:59 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 11:13:59 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Treeview - Worth a look. In-Reply-To: <201302191815.r1JIFjTL028419@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201302191815.r1JIFjTL028419@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Hi Tony: Isn't time for you old codger to migrate to the web? The water there is nice and warm there, all year round. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 10:16 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Treeview - Worth a look. Hey All Arthur Fuller's pseudo treeview is certainly worth a look. My only complaint is "Why did the old fart not develop this a few years ago when I could have used it". Nowadays new Access projects are drying up faster then the Sahara. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Tue Feb 19 13:23:08 2013 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 13:23:08 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Treeview - Worth a look. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <201302191923.r1JJNA9L028742@databaseadvisors.com> Hey Jim Who is calling me an old codger. I take offence, "Oh by the way is it Tuesday or Wednesday today"? Yes you are correct and that is exactly what I am currently researching. Thanks for the laugh. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: February-19-13 1:14 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Treeview - Worth a look. Hi Tony: Isn't time for you old codger to migrate to the web? The water there is nice and warm there, all year round. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 10:16 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Treeview - Worth a look. Hey All Arthur Fuller's pseudo treeview is certainly worth a look. My only complaint is "Why did the old fart not develop this a few years ago when I could have used it". Nowadays new Access projects are drying up faster then the Sahara. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6113 - Release Date: 02/18/13 From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 13:23:34 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 14:23:34 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Treeview - Worth a look. In-Reply-To: References: <201302191815.r1JIFjTL028419@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Already there, Jim. I'm porting this concept to the web as I write this. A. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 13:24:23 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 14:24:23 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Treeview - Worth a look. In-Reply-To: References: <201302191815.r1JIFjTL028419@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Oops. Clicked Send too quickly. Yes, I'm porting it to the web. No, it does not involve Access. A. From BradM at blackforestltd.com Tue Feb 19 13:23:12 2013 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 13:23:12 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Adding Bar Coding and Scanners to an Access Application References: , , <511D56D0.19354.234AD2B2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <5122AED5.9040109@gmail.com> Message-ID: John, Good point. Obtaining a Bar Code font and installing it was easy. My next step is to experiment with a scanner, but currently I do not have one to play with. If anyone has a recommendation of an inexpensive scanner to pick up for some initial testing, I would appreciate it. Thanks, Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 4:45 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Adding Bar Coding and Scanners to an Access Application - Thanks! Printing the bar codes is the easy part. Scanning them into Access is more complex, depending on the needs. I did this in the nineties down in Mexico. I ended up using a serial port scanner so that I could have absolute control on the read and getting the data to the right place. These 'keyboard wedges' work but can be problematic. John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/18/2013 5:19 PM, Brad Marks wrote: > All, > > Thanks to everyone who shared their ideas and insights about Bar Coding > and Scanners. > > I now have an Access Report with Bar Codes (downloaded a font from the > Internet). > > I really appreciate the assistance. > > Brad > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart > McLachlan > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 3:28 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Adding Bar Coding and Scanners to an > AccessApplication > > I'd recommend 3 of 9 coding. Google "frree 3of9". There are quite a > few fonts out there. > > Pick one that you like and download and instal it. The rules for 3of9 > are very simple, you just > use an asterisk as a stop and stsart character. So to put JobNum on a > report, set a textbox > to ="*" & Jobnum & "*" set it's font to 3of9 > > > On 14 Feb 2013 at 12:25, David McAfee wrote: > >> There was even a free 3 of 9 font that I downloaded and used in one of > my >> projects. >> >> This was the site listed in the readme: >> http://www.squaregear.net/fonts/(which is now blocked at my company). >> >> If you can't find it online anywhere, I have the zip file which > contains >> the font. >> >> HTH, >> David McAfee >> >> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Arthur Fuller > wrote: >>> It's been a while since I've done bar codes, too. But I do recall > that >>> there are several such fonts, and they are all unique, reflecting > different >>> schemes. One was called Code 3 of 9, IIRC. >>> >>> A. >>> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Feb 19 13:59:17 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 11:59:17 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Treeview - Worth a look. In-Reply-To: References: <201302191815.r1JIFjTL028419@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <32CE2B837B9542268802BBC6A8B82054@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Arthur: I am waiting with bated breathe. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 11:24 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Treeview - Worth a look. Already there, Jim. I'm porting this concept to the web as I write this. A. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Tue Feb 19 18:28:39 2013 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 18:28:39 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Tired of this List Message-ID: <201302200028.r1K0SfOG030101@databaseadvisors.com> Hey All I am going to be doing it again and you can tell me to F......... ! Before you take your fingers out and poke out my eyes. I am again disappointed with this list. We get crap from likes of Colby etc. "Who cares". and then we get good stuff from individuals like Arthur Fuller. That was what the list was built upon and shined in the past, everybody sharing. Albeirt there is still some good advice being given, but it has no longer been a friends on friends discussion. I may be tired and old but I am also disappointed, the list no longer has any relevance. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada From michael at mattysconsulting.com Tue Feb 19 19:58:55 2013 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 20:58:55 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Tired of this List In-Reply-To: <201302200028.r1K0SfOG030101@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201302200028.r1K0SfOG030101@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <018901ce0f0d$d80c4f80$8824ee80$@mattysconsulting.com> Arthur's post was rather good. However, I'm sorry, Tony, but I just can't understand your comment about Colby. I certainly care about Withevents Classes for the concept has made my Access and MapPoint programming life altogether worthwhile. Further, I have carried it into VB.Net and C#, where Object Oriented Programming is required, and now into Delphi/C++. I feel your disappointment is 'mis-appointed.' Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 7:29 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Tired of this List Hey All I am going to be doing it again and you can tell me to F......... ! Before you take your fingers out and poke out my eyes. I am again disappointed with this list. We get crap from likes of Colby etc. "Who cares". and then we get good stuff from individuals like Arthur Fuller. That was what the list was built upon and shined in the past, everybody sharing. Albeirt there is still some good advice being given, but it has no longer been a friends on friends discussion. I may be tired and old but I am also disappointed, the list no longer has any relevance. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 20:19:53 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 21:19:53 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Tired of this List In-Reply-To: <018901ce0f0d$d80c4f80$8824ee80$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <201302200028.r1K0SfOG030101@databaseadvisors.com> <018901ce0f0d$d80c4f80$8824ee80$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: So do I, FWIW. Arthur From marksimms at verizon.net Tue Feb 19 20:21:58 2013 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 21:21:58 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Tired of this List In-Reply-To: <018901ce0f0d$d80c4f80$8824ee80$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <201302200028.r1K0SfOG030101@databaseadvisors.com> <018901ce0f0d$d80c4f80$8824ee80$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <005301ce0f11$0fa42780$2eec7680$@net> Is he having a bad day perhaps ? > Arthur's post was rather good. > However, I'm sorry, Tony, but I just can't understand your comment > about Colby. From jwcolby at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 20:29:29 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 21:29:29 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Tired of this List In-Reply-To: <005301ce0f11$0fa42780$2eec7680$@net> References: <201302200028.r1K0SfOG030101@databaseadvisors.com> <018901ce0f0d$d80c4f80$8824ee80$@mattysconsulting.com> <005301ce0f11$0fa42780$2eec7680$@net> Message-ID: <51243509.3030007@gmail.com> LOL. I love the man. He pings like this occasionally. John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/19/2013 9:21 PM, Mark Simms wrote: > Is he having a bad day perhaps ? > >> Arthur's post was rather good. >> However, I'm sorry, Tony, but I just can't understand your comment >> about Colby. > From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Feb 19 20:53:05 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 18:53:05 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Tired of this List In-Reply-To: <201302200028.r1K0SfOG030101@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201302200028.r1K0SfOG030101@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <1664EC43EC824F3086A83B0445B97E67@creativesystemdesigns.com> Tony: The past is gone and we all move on to bigger and better things...that's life. There is no point in crying over it or being disappointed. We must just make the best of it and while morphing in new directions and opportunities. The industry has not stopped in fact it has grown exponentially and there are so many options out there. Check out the DBA-tech list if you are interested. By the way where are your contributions? Every bit helps so get to it. As the saying goes, "Ask not what the list can do for you ask what you can do for the list." Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 4:29 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Tired of this List Hey All I am going to be doing it again and you can tell me to F......... ! Before you take your fingers out and poke out my eyes. I am again disappointed with this list. We get crap from likes of Colby etc. "Who cares". and then we get good stuff from individuals like Arthur Fuller. That was what the list was built upon and shined in the past, everybody sharing. Albeirt there is still some good advice being given, but it has no longer been a friends on friends discussion. I may be tired and old but I am also disappointed, the list no longer has any relevance. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Tue Feb 19 21:08:15 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 19:08:15 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Tired of this List In-Reply-To: <005301ce0f11$0fa42780$2eec7680$@net> References: <201302200028.r1K0SfOG030101@databaseadvisors.com> <018901ce0f0d$d80c4f80$8824ee80$@mattysconsulting.com> <005301ce0f11$0fa42780$2eec7680$@net> Message-ID: This is like one of those Christmas specials where everyone is reminded of the meaning of Christmas in the end - except in this case why everyone is a member of this mailing list. - Hans On 2013-02-19, at 6:21 PM, "Mark Simms" wrote: > Is he having a bad day perhaps ? > >> Arthur's post was rather good. >> However, I'm sorry, Tony, but I just can't understand your comment >> about Colby. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 21:11:48 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 22:11:48 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Upcoming blogs - was Re: Tired of this List In-Reply-To: <1664EC43EC824F3086A83B0445B97E67@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <201302200028.r1K0SfOG030101@databaseadvisors.com> <1664EC43EC824F3086A83B0445B97E67@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <51243EF4.3090603@gmail.com> jwcolby.blogspot.com I hate the blogging tool and the blogging process, but I love that it is finally being published in a "permanent" location. Piece by piece I will eventually get it all written. Next up will be a clsCtlCbo to do the background color change specifically for my friend Arthur. Once those two control wrappers are out there I will likely add functionality to them. For example I use the double click event of the combo to open a form bound to the table behind a combo, moving to the record that the combo is displaying, allowing the edit of that (or any) record. Or moving to the new record if the combo is blank (not displaying a record). This is a very useful behavior for a combo, and one which I developed specifically so that my users could get at the table behind the combo. After that I will tackle the date formatting for the text box. These kinds of behaviors are precisely the reasons for control wrappers and demonstrate why classes and events are so important in moving to the next level. John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Tue Feb 19 21:18:02 2013 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 21:18:02 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Tired of this List In-Reply-To: <1664EC43EC824F3086A83B0445B97E67@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <201302200318.r1K3I5VH030775@databaseadvisors.com> Hey All Point your fingers where you will. I know this would start conflict. I am not having a bad day. Guess what I really do like John Colby for all his good sides and bad sides (we have been doing this for over 20 years on this list). My comment is simply this "The list used to be a source where friends shared information and SOLUTIONS" from some of the most knowledgeable individuals I have ever run into. I am just saddened (say what you will) how things have declined. Just my 2 cents worth. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: February-19-13 8:53 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tired of this List Tony: The past is gone and we all move on to bigger and better things...that's life. There is no point in crying over it or being disappointed. We must just make the best of it and while morphing in new directions and opportunities. The industry has not stopped in fact it has grown exponentially and there are so many options out there. Check out the DBA-tech list if you are interested. By the way where are your contributions? Every bit helps so get to it. As the saying goes, "Ask not what the list can do for you ask what you can do for the list." Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 4:29 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Tired of this List Hey All I am going to be doing it again and you can tell me to F......... ! Before you take your fingers out and poke out my eyes. I am again disappointed with this list. We get crap from likes of Colby etc. "Who cares". and then we get good stuff from individuals like Arthur Fuller. That was what the list was built upon and shined in the past, everybody sharing. Albeirt there is still some good advice being given, but it has no longer been a friends on friends discussion. I may be tired and old but I am also disappointed, the list no longer has any relevance. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6113 - Release Date: 02/18/13 From jackandpat.d at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 21:45:09 2013 From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 22:45:09 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Upcoming blogs - was Re: Tired of this List In-Reply-To: <51243EF4.3090603@gmail.com> References: <201302200028.r1K0SfOG030101@databaseadvisors.com> <1664EC43EC824F3086A83B0445B97E67@creativesystemdesigns.com> <51243EF4.3090603@gmail.com> Message-ID: Keep it up John, there are many here who are still learning, I'm sure we will start to appreciate your passion for classes. I don't know anything about bogging tools, but if that's the means of getting the classes material published into a "permanent location", then please carry on. Thanks for the blog jack On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 10:11 PM, John W Colby wrote: > jwcolby.blogspot.com > > I hate the blogging tool and the blogging process, but I love that it is > finally being published in a "permanent" location. Piece by piece I will > eventually get it all written. Next up will be a clsCtlCbo to do the > background color change specifically for my friend Arthur. > > Once those two control wrappers are out there I will likely add > functionality to them. For example I use the double click event of the > combo to open a form bound to the table behind a combo, moving to the > record that the combo is displaying, allowing the edit of that (or any) > record. Or moving to the new record if the combo is blank (not displaying > a record). This is a very useful behavior for a combo, and one which I > developed specifically so that my users could get at the table behind the > combo. > > After that I will tackle the date formatting for the text box. > > These kinds of behaviors are precisely the reasons for control wrappers > and demonstrate why classes and events are so important in moving to the > next level. > > John W. Colby > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From jwcolby at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 22:11:50 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 23:11:50 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Tired of this List In-Reply-To: <201302200318.r1K3I5VH030775@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201302200318.r1K3I5VH030775@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <51244D06.1060908@gmail.com> I hear you Tony. I remember the "good old days" with special feelings, and a touch of sadness that they really don't exist any more, at least to the extent they used to. It is in fact partly the list but mostly external forces (IMHO). I had moved on when... I got a day job at the Borg of IT companies doing Access remediation, assimilating dozens of Access apps into the collective. Strange how life works. But in the end I will no doubt eventually move on to C#. I have done both and while I have fond recollections and much knowledge about Access, it is a faint shadow of the abilities of .Net. I am too old to spend my remaining moments pining for the past. John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/19/2013 10:18 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey All > Point your fingers where you will. I know this would start conflict. I am > not having a bad day. Guess what I really do like John Colby for all his > good sides and bad sides (we have been doing this for over 20 years on this > list). My comment is simply this "The list used to be a source where friends > shared information and SOLUTIONS" from some of the most knowledgeable > individuals I have ever run into. I am just saddened (say what you will) how > things have declined. > > Just my 2 cents worth. > > From dbdoug at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 22:26:35 2013 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 20:26:35 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Tired of this List In-Reply-To: <51244D06.1060908@gmail.com> References: <201302200318.r1K3I5VH030775@databaseadvisors.com> <51244D06.1060908@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 8:11 PM, John W Colby wrote: > old Nicely said, John! Have you by any chance run into Q, or do you think he works for Microsoft? Doug PS en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borg_(Star_Trek) From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 00:00:53 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 01:00:53 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Tired of this List In-Reply-To: References: <201302200318.r1K3I5VH030775@databaseadvisors.com> <51244D06.1060908@gmail.com> Message-ID: I recently submitted an article and will happily supply zips to accompany it. I should have thought of this years ago, as Tony Saptev said, but better late than never. Anyway, it's out there for all and everyone to read, on my blog and hopefully soon on our list. Now that I've embarked on this project, I also plan to buttress the first article with a description/explanation of the Normal Forms beyond 3NF (which for years I have argued is insufficient), but now that I have some spare time, I plan to demonstrate why 3NF fails the big tests. 4NF or BCNF or 5NF are the only intelligent ways to go in large databases. That shall be the theme of my next post to our site. What has happened to our site, if I might be permitted an observation or two, is that we have co-educated one another to the point that we know most of the answers to most of the obvious questions. Therefore we have stopped conversing about these topics. The traffic that exists is primarily about non-obvious issues. That's not a bad thing. What is also obvious is that we are failing to attract new minnows. It's possible that this is because the pool of ambitious Access power-users is shrinking. If that is the case, then none of us can do anything about that. There is also the possibility that our discussions have acquired such a narrowl focus as to be intelligible only to the Accesserati. If that is the case, then our expertise has defeated our mission in creating this place. On the other hand, I just met a man today who has spent the past decade developing a vertical app and has carved himself a comfortable niche within his doman. He needs some expert help and I am happy to provide it. Make no mistake: he knows a Ton more about business than I do, and has carved out quite a lovely niche for himself. But now it's time for the heavy lifting, most notably Performance Problems. Oh Gawd, I'm thinking of hanging out a new shingle: Dr. Arthur can solve your Performance Issues! LOL, now I'm a software therapist. "Tell me how you feel when you're writing code." A. On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:26 PM, Doug Steele wrote: > On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 8:11 PM, John W Colby wrote: > > > old > > > Nicely said, John! > > Have you by any chance run into Q, or do you think he works for Microsoft? > > Doug > > PS en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borg_(Star_Trek) > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 00:04:56 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 01:04:56 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Upcoming blogs - was Re: Tired of this List In-Reply-To: References: <201302200028.r1K0SfOG030101@databaseadvisors.com> <1664EC43EC824F3086A83B0445B97E67@creativesystemdesigns.com> <51243EF4.3090603@gmail.com> Message-ID: I second that, JC. Your blogs are most useful! A. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Feb 20 00:20:04 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 16:20:04 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Tired of this List In-Reply-To: References: <201302200318.r1K3I5VH030775@databaseadvisors.com>, , Message-ID: <51246B14.29403.3EF1DD7D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Not just performance anxiety, How about security issues: Please Doctor, can you harden my software? :-) On 20 Feb 2013 at 1:00, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > Oh Gawd, I'm thinking of hanging out a new shingle: Dr. Arthur can solve > your Performance Issues! > > LOL, now I'm a software therapist. "Tell me how you feel when you're > writing code." > > A. From jwcolby at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 06:47:45 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 07:47:45 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Tired of this List In-Reply-To: <018901ce0f0d$d80c4f80$8824ee80$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <201302200028.r1K0SfOG030101@databaseadvisors.com> <018901ce0f0d$d80c4f80$8824ee80$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: I think that Tony's rant if you wish to call it that is actually useful. We need dissent in order to grow. We were going to have a discussion about other forms that the list could you use instead of just a list. That hasn't happened but it may yet. On Feb 19, 2013 9:00 PM, "Michael Mattys" wrote: > Arthur's post was rather good. > However, I'm sorry, Tony, but I just can't understand your comment about > Colby. > I certainly care about Withevents Classes for the concept has made my > Access > and MapPoint programming life altogether worthwhile. > Further, I have carried it into VB.Net and C#, where Object Oriented > Programming is required, and now into Delphi/C++. > I feel your disappointment is 'mis-appointed.' > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 7:29 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] Tired of this List > > Hey All > > I am going to be doing it again and you can tell me to F......... ! > > Before you take your fingers out and poke out my eyes. I am again > disappointed with this list. We get crap from likes of Colby etc. "Who > cares". and then we get good stuff from individuals like Arthur Fuller. > That > was what the list was built upon and shined in the past, everybody sharing. > Albeirt there is still some good advice being given, but it has no longer > been a friends on friends discussion. I may be tired and old but I am also > disappointed, the list no longer has any relevance. > > > > Tony Septav > > Nanaimo, BC > > Canada > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 07:45:46 2013 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 08:45:46 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Tired of this List References: <201302200318.r1K3I5VH030775@databaseadvisors.com><51244D06.1060908@gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm blogging too! :) Blogging has become the new "I've written a children's book" mantra. Seriously... mine's not really for public in general consumption. I get a lot of Officer user questions via email. I used to answer them via email, which encourages more dialogue. I don't mind answering when I can, but I'm not getting paid to answer users' questions via email, so it's not something I want to spend too much time on. Now I answer on the blog and send them a link to the blog. That way, I can reuse answers but I doubt it'll ever rise very high in any search engine -- not doing anything to push that along. I just started so there's not much there. Anytime I can send a quick link to a previously answered question, helps me. Just seemed to make good sense. Maybe we need to add a list of member blogs to the database advisors web site someplace -- can't hurt. Susan H. >I recently submitted an article and will happily supply zips to accompany > it. I should have thought of this years ago, as Tony Saptev said, but > better late than never. Anyway, it's out there for all and everyone to > read, on my blog and hopefully soon on our list. > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Wed Feb 20 07:57:00 2013 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 08:57:00 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Upcoming blogs - was Re: Tired of this List In-Reply-To: <51243EF4.3090603@gmail.com> References: <201302200028.r1K0SfOG030101@databaseadvisors.com> <1664EC43EC824F3086A83B0445B97E67@creativesystemdesigns.com> <51243EF4.3090603@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5124D62C.70301@torchlake.com> Dear John, I just hope you never give up sharing what you have figured out. I learn from you every time. Thank you. T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 2/19/2013 10:11 PM, John W Colby wrote: > jwcolby.blogspot.com > > I hate the blogging tool and the blogging process, but I love that it > is finally being published in a "permanent" location. Piece by piece > I will eventually get it all written. Next up will be a clsCtlCbo to > do the background color change specifically for my friend Arthur. > > Once those two control wrappers are out there I will likely add > functionality to them. For example I use the double click event of > the combo to open a form bound to the table behind a combo, moving to > the record that the combo is displaying, allowing the edit of that (or > any) record. Or moving to the new record if the combo is blank (not > displaying a record). This is a very useful behavior for a combo, and > one which I developed specifically so that my users could get at the > table behind the combo. > > After that I will tackle the date formatting for the text box. > > These kinds of behaviors are precisely the reasons for control > wrappers and demonstrate why classes and events are so important in > moving to the next level. > > John W. Colby > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > > From BradM at blackforestltd.com Wed Feb 20 08:05:50 2013 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 08:05:50 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Not Tired of this List References: <201302200028.r1K0SfOG030101@databaseadvisors.com><018901ce0f0d$d80c4f80$8824ee80$@mattysconsulting.com> <005301ce0f11$0fa42780$2eec7680$@net> Message-ID: All, My perspective is quite different than most of you. I came from a 32 year gig of IBM Mainframe / JCL / COBOL / DB2 / etc. (In fact, at the height of my "Mainframe-ness" I used to make fun of Access) My experience with Access is must less than others. I have asked many questions and received many good answers and a lot of great advice. Evidently there was a "glory days" era for this forum in years past. I missed this era. >From my perspective, this is still a great forum. There are some topics that I don't quite understand, but I hope to dig deeper when time permits. Thanks to everyone who continues to add value to this forum! Brad From tinanfields at torchlake.com Wed Feb 20 08:16:02 2013 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 09:16:02 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Not Tired of this List In-Reply-To: References: <201302200028.r1K0SfOG030101@databaseadvisors.com><018901ce0f0d$d80c4f80$8824ee80$@mattysconsulting.com> <005301ce0f11$0fa42780$2eec7680$@net> Message-ID: <5124DAA2.5030202@torchlake.com> Brad, I agree with you whole-heartedly, and I wish I had thought to prefix the word "Not" to the subject line. Glad you did. T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 2/20/2013 9:05 AM, Brad Marks wrote: > All, > > My perspective is quite different than most of you. > > I came from a 32 year gig of IBM Mainframe / JCL / COBOL / DB2 / etc. > (In fact, at the height of my "Mainframe-ness" I used to make fun of Access) > > My experience with Access is must less than others. > > I have asked many questions and received many good answers and a lot of great advice. > > Evidently there was a "glory days" era for this forum in years past. I missed this era. > > >From my perspective, this is still a great forum. > > There are some topics that I don't quite understand, but I hope to dig deeper when time permits. > > Thanks to everyone who continues to add value to this forum! > > Brad > > > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 08:45:03 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 06:45:03 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Upcoming blogs - was Re: Tired of this List In-Reply-To: <51243EF4.3090603@gmail.com> References: <201302200028.r1K0SfOG030101@databaseadvisors.com> <1664EC43EC824F3086A83B0445B97E67@creativesystemdesigns.com> <51243EF4.3090603@gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm not familiar with your tools at all. I use WordPress for my blog and have been happy with that. One thing I learned was to work on a piece in something else (I use EverNote) until it's roughly the shape I want, then paste the text into a new post. But I also save that post as a draft until it's finished. Do you have that capability, JC? Charlotte On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 7:11 PM, John W Colby wrote: > jwcolby.blogspot.com > > I hate the blogging tool and the blogging process, but I love that it is > finally being published in a "permanent" location. Piece by piece I will > eventually get it all written. Next up will be a clsCtlCbo to do the > background color change specifically for my friend Arthur. > > Once those two control wrappers are out there I will likely add > functionality to them. For example I use the double click event of the > combo to open a form bound to the table behind a combo, moving to the > record that the combo is displaying, allowing the edit of that (or any) > record. Or moving to the new record if the combo is blank (not displaying > a record). This is a very useful behavior for a combo, and one which I > developed specifically so that my users could get at the table behind the > combo. > > After that I will tackle the date formatting for the text box. > > These kinds of behaviors are precisely the reasons for control wrappers > and demonstrate why classes and events are so important in moving to the > next level. > > John W. Colby > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 08:51:51 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 06:51:51 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Tired of this List In-Reply-To: References: <201302200318.r1K3I5VH030775@databaseadvisors.com> <51244D06.1060908@gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm not blogging on Access, but I may start if you guys keep it up! Nothing like a little group enthusiasm to get things in motion. Charlotte On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 5:45 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > I'm blogging too! :) Blogging has become the new "I've written a > children's book" mantra. > > Seriously... mine's not really for public in general consumption. I get a > lot of Officer user questions via email. I used to answer them via email, > which encourages more dialogue. I don't mind answering when I can, but I'm > not getting paid to answer users' questions via email, so it's not > something I want to spend too much time on. > > Now I answer on the blog and send them a link to the blog. That way, I can > reuse answers but I doubt it'll ever rise very high in any search engine -- > not doing anything to push that along. I just started so there's not much > there. Anytime I can send a quick link to a previously answered question, > helps me. Just seemed to make good sense. > > Maybe we need to add a list of member blogs to the database advisors web > site someplace -- can't hurt. > > Susan H. > > > > I recently submitted an article and will happily supply zips to accompany >> it. I should have thought of this years ago, as Tony Saptev said, but >> better late than never. Anyway, it's out there for all and everyone to >> read, on my blog and hopefully soon on our list. >> >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From garykjos at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 08:56:22 2013 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 08:56:22 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Tired of this List In-Reply-To: <201302200028.r1K0SfOG030101@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201302200028.r1K0SfOG030101@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: As others have said already Tony, things change. People come and people go from the list. A lot of our early contributors have moved on. I myself haven't done true Access or VB development for more then ten years now. I still use Access daily but really I'm just a user not and no longer a developer. So I don't run into problems very often that require answers that the list could provide. The number of people developing Access based apps has undoubtedly gone down considerably over the years so we don't draw the new blood like we once did. I have made many good friends on this list and in particularly on the DBA-OT list over the years. Sorry we are not living up to your expectations but it is what it is. GK On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 6:28 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey All > > I am going to be doing it again and you can tell me to F......... ! > > Before you take your fingers out and poke out my eyes. I am again > disappointed with this list. We get crap from likes of Colby etc. "Who > cares". and then we get good stuff from individuals like Arthur Fuller. That > was what the list was built upon and shined in the past, everybody sharing. > Albeirt there is still some good advice being given, but it has no longer > been a friends on friends discussion. I may be tired and old but I am also > disappointed, the list no longer has any relevance. > > > > Tony Septav > > Nanaimo, BC > > Canada > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From garykjos at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 09:00:34 2013 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 09:00:34 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Not Tired of this List In-Reply-To: References: <201302200028.r1K0SfOG030101@databaseadvisors.com> <018901ce0f0d$d80c4f80$8824ee80$@mattysconsulting.com> <005301ce0f11$0fa42780$2eec7680$@net> Message-ID: Thanks for your questions Brad. And it means more to me since you are living and working in my home town in southern MN. ;-) GK On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Brad Marks wrote: > All, > > My perspective is quite different than most of you. > > I came from a 32 year gig of IBM Mainframe / JCL / COBOL / DB2 / etc. > (In fact, at the height of my "Mainframe-ness" I used to make fun of Access) > > My experience with Access is must less than others. > > I have asked many questions and received many good answers and a lot of great advice. > > Evidently there was a "glory days" era for this forum in years past. I missed this era. > > From my perspective, this is still a great forum. > > There are some topics that I don't quite understand, but I hope to dig deeper when time permits. > > Thanks to everyone who continues to add value to this forum! > > Brad > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From john at winhaven.net Wed Feb 20 09:18:08 2013 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 09:18:08 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Tired of this List In-Reply-To: References: <201302200028.r1K0SfOG030101@databaseadvisors.com> <018901ce0f0d$d80c4f80$8824ee80$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <007101ce0f7d$7d6b5d80$78421880$@winhaven.net> Yes, we moved the discussion over to DBA_Maint list and it died immediately. The Maint list was and is open to everyone but only Ken, Mark, Gustav and I bothered to post anything. So that experience tells me that most everyone likes to rant when it's convenient (and inappropriate to the list), but very few people like to discuss the issue in the proper forum. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 6:48 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tired of this List I think that Tony's rant if you wish to call it that is actually useful. We need dissent in order to grow. We were going to have a discussion about other forms that the list could you use instead of just a list. That hasn't happened but it may yet. From jwcolby at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 09:30:50 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 10:30:50 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Upcoming blogs - was Re: Tired of this List In-Reply-To: References: <201302200028.r1K0SfOG030101@databaseadvisors.com> <1664EC43EC824F3086A83B0445B97E67@creativesystemdesigns.com> <51243EF4.3090603@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5124EC2A.6050707@gmail.com> I use Blogspot.com which may belong to Google(?). Blogspot has a browser based editor and I use that. The edited blog is saved as a draft until I publish it. The editor sucks, but it mostly works to do what I need. I could use word or notepad I suppose to do it offline annd then just paste it in at the last moment. I use the provided editor simply because I am trying to get a standard look and feel and there is a very limited set of fonts with the provided editor. I could of course just do the formatting at the end after the paste but... so far I don't. I do edit it as a draft, save it, work on it, polish it, then publish it. I can edit it after publishing if I need to. John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/20/2013 9:45 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > I'm not familiar with your tools at all. I use WordPress for my blog and > have been happy with that. One thing I learned was to work on a piece in > something else (I use EverNote) until it's roughly the shape I want, then > paste the text into a new post. But I also save that post as a draft until > it's finished. Do you have that capability, JC? > > Charlotte > > On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 7:11 PM, John W Colby wrote: > >> jwcolby.blogspot.com >> >> I hate the blogging tool and the blogging process, but I love that it is >> finally being published in a "permanent" location. Piece by piece I will >> eventually get it all written. Next up will be a clsCtlCbo to do the >> background color change specifically for my friend Arthur. >> >> Once those two control wrappers are out there I will likely add >> functionality to them. For example I use the double click event of the >> combo to open a form bound to the table behind a combo, moving to the >> record that the combo is displaying, allowing the edit of that (or any) >> record. Or moving to the new record if the combo is blank (not displaying >> a record). This is a very useful behavior for a combo, and one which I >> developed specifically so that my users could get at the table behind the >> combo. >> >> After that I will tackle the date formatting for the text box. >> >> These kinds of behaviors are precisely the reasons for control wrappers >> and demonstrate why classes and events are so important in moving to the >> next level. >> >> John W. Colby >> >> Reality is what refuses to go away >> when you do not believe in it >> >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> From jwcolby at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 09:31:45 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 10:31:45 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Tired of this List In-Reply-To: References: <201302200318.r1K3I5VH030775@databaseadvisors.com> <51244D06.1060908@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5124EC61.1000707@gmail.com> I sent you an invite to edit / post on my blog. I assume that you didn't get it? John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/20/2013 9:51 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > I'm not blogging on Access, but I may start if you guys keep it up! > Nothing like a little group enthusiasm to get things in motion. > > Charlotte > > On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 5:45 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > >> I'm blogging too! :) Blogging has become the new "I've written a >> children's book" mantra. >> >> Seriously... mine's not really for public in general consumption. I get a >> lot of Officer user questions via email. I used to answer them via email, >> which encourages more dialogue. I don't mind answering when I can, but I'm >> not getting paid to answer users' questions via email, so it's not >> something I want to spend too much time on. >> >> Now I answer on the blog and send them a link to the blog. That way, I can >> reuse answers but I doubt it'll ever rise very high in any search engine -- >> not doing anything to push that along. I just started so there's not much >> there. Anytime I can send a quick link to a previously answered question, >> helps me. Just seemed to make good sense. >> >> Maybe we need to add a list of member blogs to the database advisors web >> site someplace -- can't hurt. >> >> Susan H. >> >> >> >> I recently submitted an article and will happily supply zips to accompany >>> it. I should have thought of this years ago, as Tony Saptev said, but >>> better late than never. Anyway, it's out there for all and everyone to >>> read, on my blog and hopefully soon on our list. >>> >>> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Wed Feb 20 09:40:38 2013 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 09:40:38 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Tired of this list Message-ID: <201302201540.r1KFegwc000817@databaseadvisors.com> Hey All Call it a rant (whatever), or just another old fart pinning for the good old days. But it is the first time in a long while that I have actually read all the Emails on the list. I am guilty myself of not contributing as much as I should to the list. I don't have an answer but from the responses I have read there still seems to be a spark left in this tired old list. Enough said already, I am not going anywhere. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada From jimdettman at verizon.net Wed Feb 20 09:58:24 2013 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 10:58:24 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Tony's comments - Part 2 Message-ID: <0CCB561E0B71472DBA46D7FBF0E8B398@XPS> The other thing is that AccessD has not changed in many, many, years and the list format is limiting. John just made the comment "We were going to have a discussion about other forms that the list could you use instead of just a list. That hasn't happened but it may yet." May happen? Like when? Wasn't it months ago it was talked about? or changes to the web site? Don't take me wrong, I'm not trying to be overly critical (for example, where is *my* contribution). My point is that Access D has remained virtually unchanged since it's beginning. Is it any wonder there are not new members? There's nothing here to attract them. Blogging, Articles, uploads, etc should have been done years ago (and just as an FYI, we had the same discussions on EE about 7-8 years ago). I belong to a local board for dirt bike riders and it's got way more features then Access D has (it's a simple machines board and cost approx $60/yr). The times have changed and Access D has not. And while I applaud the article from Arthur and John; guys the horse left the barn years ago. These would have been killer articles ten years back, but now? No one is building anything sophisticated in VBA anymore. Look to the 3rd party world; do you see any of the old standby's updated for 64 bit? No. Stephan has retired from all things Access, FMS is really not cranking out any new stuff, MZ Tools has been on version 3 for years now, and Smart Indenter hasn't been updated beyond A2003. Arthur did make one point that I disagree with "There is also the possibility that our discussions have acquired such a narrow focus as to be intelligible only to the Accesserati." If anything, the opposite is true and is something I complained about a couple of years back; to a certain extent, we seem to talk about just about anything and everything here now. It's not just Access anymore and I believe I share some of Tony's feelings on this as well. I got tired of the list several years back after seeing nothing new from anyone, seeing the same stuff over and over (how many PK debates have we had), and reading post after post from John about his latest SQL Server/Windows Server adventures, networking in his house, etc., which had nothing to do with Access. But everyone basically said "times have changed and we all do a lot more then just Access now", which is totally correct. A list re-organization was suggested back then. But once again, nothing ever happened and here we are a couple of years latter with nothing changed, having the same conversation all over again. Jim From jimdettman at verizon.net Wed Feb 20 09:58:24 2013 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 10:58:24 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Tony's comments Message-ID: <815D9D2992A04E92AAD2CBFF4ACFA44A@XPS> NOTE: This is a two part message because for some weird reason, the list keeps telling me it's larger then 20kb. All, Arthur brought up some excellent points: 1. "is that we have co-educated one another to the point that we know most of the answers to most of the obvious questions." 2. "What is also obvious is that we are failing to attract new minnows. It's possible that this is because the pool of ambitious Access power-users is shrinking." Those two points go to the heart of the matter; Access is a mature product, other products have moved into it's niche, and as a result no one is doing anything new with it. For example, why is not anyone talking about Azure or Access web databases? Because no one (or very few) are doing anything with them. Most of us have moved onto other things, so there is nothing new to talk about. Tony's comment of "Nowadays new Access projects are drying up faster then the Sahara" is spot on. It's not just here either, but everywhere. The Access TA on EE was one of the top traffic areas since 1996 until 2011. Now it's not even in the top 50 of the most active. And I see the same thing everywhere. Anything that has to do with Access has dropped off the cliff in the past couple of years. From df.waters at comcast.net Wed Feb 20 10:08:10 2013 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 10:08:10 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Tony's comments - Part 2 In-Reply-To: <0CCB561E0B71472DBA46D7FBF0E8B398@XPS> References: <0CCB561E0B71472DBA46D7FBF0E8B398@XPS> Message-ID: <003601ce0f84$7a796980$6f6c3c80$@comcast.net> Just FYI - Smart Indenter works just fine on Access 2010! -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 9:58 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Tony's comments - Part 2 The other thing is that AccessD has not changed in many, many, years and the list format is limiting. John just made the comment "We were going to have a discussion about other forms that the list could you use instead of just a list. That hasn't happened but it may yet." May happen? Like when? Wasn't it months ago it was talked about? or changes to the web site? Don't take me wrong, I'm not trying to be overly critical (for example, where is *my* contribution). My point is that Access D has remained virtually unchanged since it's beginning. Is it any wonder there are not new members? There's nothing here to attract them. Blogging, Articles, uploads, etc should have been done years ago (and just as an FYI, we had the same discussions on EE about 7-8 years ago). I belong to a local board for dirt bike riders and it's got way more features then Access D has (it's a simple machines board and cost approx $60/yr). The times have changed and Access D has not. And while I applaud the article from Arthur and John; guys the horse left the barn years ago. These would have been killer articles ten years back, but now? No one is building anything sophisticated in VBA anymore. Look to the 3rd party world; do you see any of the old standby's updated for 64 bit? No. Stephan has retired from all things Access, FMS is really not cranking out any new stuff, MZ Tools has been on version 3 for years now, and Smart Indenter hasn't been updated beyond A2003. Arthur did make one point that I disagree with "There is also the possibility that our discussions have acquired such a narrow focus as to be intelligible only to the Accesserati." If anything, the opposite is true and is something I complained about a couple of years back; to a certain extent, we seem to talk about just about anything and everything here now. It's not just Access anymore and I believe I share some of Tony's feelings on this as well. I got tired of the list several years back after seeing nothing new from anyone, seeing the same stuff over and over (how many PK debates have we had), and reading post after post from John about his latest SQL Server/Windows Server adventures, networking in his house, etc., which had nothing to do with Access. But everyone basically said "times have changed and we all do a lot more then just Access now", which is totally correct. A list re-organization was suggested back then. But once again, nothing ever happened and here we are a couple of years latter with nothing changed, having the same conversation all over again. Jim -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Wed Feb 20 10:32:34 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 08:32:34 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Tony's comments - Part 2 In-Reply-To: <0CCB561E0B71472DBA46D7FBF0E8B398@XPS> References: <0CCB561E0B71472DBA46D7FBF0E8B398@XPS> Message-ID: My issue with this list is that is focused on Microsoft tech and so I don't have a lot to say. When I do have something to say, I feel it is often met with silence, unless it is something that is a hot button issue (ie. Apple, Windows 8, state of the job market, etc). Maybe it's because most of you know each other well and I'm just an outsider. Maybe we should add a few new mailing lists. For instance one for Linux, since Jim, Arthur and I all have an interest in this. Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 20 Feb 2013, at 07:58, "Jim Dettman" wrote: > The other thing is that AccessD has not changed in many, many, years and > the list format is limiting. John just made the comment "We were going to > have a discussion about other forms that the list could you use instead of > just a list. That hasn't happened but it may yet." > > May happen? Like when? Wasn't it months ago it was talked about? or > changes to the web site? Don't take me wrong, I'm not trying to be overly > critical (for example, where is *my* contribution). My point is that > Access D has remained virtually unchanged since it's beginning. Is it any > wonder there are not new members? There's nothing here to attract them. > Blogging, Articles, uploads, etc should have been done years ago (and just > as an FYI, we had the same discussions on EE about 7-8 years ago). I belong > to a local board for dirt bike riders and it's got way more features then > Access D has (it's a simple machines board and cost approx $60/yr). The > times have changed and Access D has not. > > And while I applaud the article from Arthur and John; guys the horse left > the barn years ago. These would have been killer articles ten years back, > but now? No one is building anything sophisticated in VBA anymore. Look to > the 3rd party world; do you see any of the old standby's updated for 64 bit? > No. Stephan has retired from all things Access, FMS is really not cranking > out any new stuff, MZ Tools has been on version 3 for years now, and Smart > Indenter hasn't been updated beyond A2003. > > Arthur did make one point that I disagree with "There is also the > possibility that our discussions have acquired such a narrow focus as to be > intelligible only to the Accesserati." > > If anything, the opposite is true and is something I complained about a > couple of years back; to a certain extent, we seem to talk about just about > anything and everything here now. It's not just Access anymore and I > believe I share some of Tony's feelings on this as well. I got tired of the > list several years back after seeing nothing new from anyone, seeing the > same stuff over and over (how many PK debates have we had), and reading > post after post from John about his latest SQL Server/Windows Server > adventures, networking in his house, etc., which had nothing to do with > Access. > > But everyone basically said "times have changed and we all do a lot more > then just Access now", which is totally correct. A list re-organization was > suggested back then. But once again, nothing ever happened and here we are > a couple of years latter with nothing changed, having the same conversation > all over again. > > Jim > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Wed Feb 20 10:37:09 2013 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 10:37:09 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Tony's Comments Message-ID: <201302201637.r1KGbDmI001038@databaseadvisors.com> Hey Jim I agree with everything you have stated, and by the way you did it a lot better than I could have. I guess what I am looking at (simply put), cannot all these friends on the list help by showing us other ones what they have been doing to stay competitive in today's market. What kind of got me going was when I posted a question on how to develop a web page with Access. The only constructive response I got was from Arthur Fuller who suggested I take a look at AlphaFive which I have seriously done We all know Access is quickly sliding down the tube. Can we not as a group support each other with possible other alternatives. Because of the decline in Access projects several times I have wanted to offer my services for free to others (and still may do) who may need help with an ongoing Access projects. Bumptious Colby and others have said we need a revamp to the list and I agree. We have so many smart minds on the list we should be working together as a community not as isolated satellites. Again what it worth, my 2 cents (sorry in Canada we don't have pennies anymore) Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 11:27:38 2013 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 12:27:38 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Upcoming blogs - was Re: Tired of this List References: <201302200028.r1K0SfOG030101@databaseadvisors.com><1664EC43EC824F3086A83B0445B97E67@creativesystemdesigns.com><51243EF4.3090603@gmail.com> <5124EC2A.6050707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9EDD835948F84597BB0BEAB7F63D493F@SusanHarkins> > Blogspot has a browser based editor and I use that. The edited blog is > saved as a draft until I publish it. The editor sucks, but it mostly > works to do what I need. I could use word or notepad I suppose to do it > offline annd then just paste it in at the last moment. I use the provided > editor simply because I am trying to get a standard look and feel and > there is a very limited set of fonts with the provided editor. I could of > course just do the formatting at the end after the paste but... so far I > don't. I do edit it as a draft, save it, work on it, polish it, then > publish it. I can edit it after publishing if I need to. ========John, I write my responses and insert figures using Word, then when I'm done, publish to the blog -- Word takes care of it seamlessly -- I just click a button. Susan H. From jwcolby at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 11:32:17 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 12:32:17 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Tony's Comments In-Reply-To: <201302201637.r1KGbDmI001038@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201302201637.r1KGbDmI001038@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <512508A1.5030105@gmail.com> LOL. bump?tious /?b?mpSH?s/ Adjective Self-assertive or proud to an irritating degree. Synonyms conceited - arrogant - overweening - assuming - cocky I will try to tone it down. ;) John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/20/2013 11:37 AM, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey Jim > > I agree with everything you have stated, and by the way you did it a lot > better than I could have. > > I guess what I am looking at (simply put), cannot all these friends on the > list help by showing us other ones what they have been doing to stay > competitive in today's market. What kind of got me going was when I posted a > question on how to develop a web page with Access. The only constructive > response I got was from Arthur Fuller who suggested I take a look at > AlphaFive which I have seriously done We all know Access is quickly sliding > down the tube. Can we not as a group support each other with possible other > alternatives. Because of the decline in Access projects several times I > have wanted to offer my services for free to others (and still may do) who > may need help with an ongoing Access projects. Bumptious Colby and others > have said we need a revamp to the list and I agree. We have so many smart > minds on the list we should be working together as a community not as > isolated satellites. > > > > Again what it worth, my 2 cents (sorry in Canada we don't have pennies > anymore) > > > > Tony Septav > > Nanaimo, BC > > Canada > From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 11:36:16 2013 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 12:36:16 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Tony's comments References: <815D9D2992A04E92AAD2CBFF4ACFA44A@XPS> Message-ID: > 2. "What is also obvious is that we are failing to attract new minnows. > It's > possible that this is because the pool of ambitious Access power-users is > shrinking." > > Those two points go to the heart of the matter; Access is a mature > product, other products have moved into it's niche, and as a result no one > is doing anything new with it. > > For example, why is not anyone talking about Azure or Access web > databases? Because no one (or very few) are doing anything with them. > Most > of us have moved onto other things, so there is nothing new to talk about. > Tony's comment of "Nowadays new Access projects are drying up faster then > the Sahara" is spot on. It's not just here either, but everywhere. > The > Access TA on EE was one of the top traffic areas since 1996 until 2011. > Now > it's not even in the top 50 of the most active. And I see the same thing > everywhere. Anything that has to do with Access has dropped off the > cliff > in the past couple of years. ===========I live in a very small Access cave, so my contribution to this discussion is small, and ... probably askew. I can only go by my readers' needs and questions. I receive no questions about Access. When I publish an Access tip or article, no one comments. They're not even viewing the page. Now, that might be because I'm not giving them what they want -- a very likely scenario. But no one's asking for anything either. I can't really draw much of a conclusion, but Access was once my bread and butter. I didn't stop writing about it because I wanted to -- but because publishers no longer wanted the content because subscribers no longer paid for it. Susan H. From davidmcafee at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 11:42:55 2013 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 09:42:55 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Tony's comments In-Reply-To: <815D9D2992A04E92AAD2CBFF4ACFA44A@XPS> References: <815D9D2992A04E92AAD2CBFF4ACFA44A@XPS> Message-ID: We mainly use ADPs at work. I read they are officially deprecated as of A2013. I think VBA as we know it is going away too, not sure if it is A2013 or not. So we're currently web-ifying all of our projects. Some of them are going to Azure, others NoSQL. It may just be me, but I'd welcome any discussions whether it be Access, VB, .Net, C#, Azure, HTML5, Javascript, CSS. :) Other may feels it would clutter this list, but if Access is dying and we all have various other experiences, I think we could help each other out. Just me, D On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: > NOTE: This is a two part message because for some weird reason, the list > keeps telling me it's larger then 20kb. > > All, > > Arthur brought up some excellent points: > > 1. "is that we have co-educated one another to the point that we know most > of the answers to most of the obvious questions." > > 2. "What is also obvious is that we are failing to attract new minnows. > It's > possible that this is because the pool of ambitious Access power-users is > shrinking." > > Those two points go to the heart of the matter; Access is a mature > product, other products have moved into it's niche, and as a result no one > is doing anything new with it. > > For example, why is not anyone talking about Azure or Access web > databases? Because no one (or very few) are doing anything with them. > Most > of us have moved onto other things, so there is nothing new to talk about. > Tony's comment of "Nowadays new Access projects are drying up faster then > the Sahara" is spot on. It's not just here either, but everywhere. The > Access TA on EE was one of the top traffic areas since 1996 until 2011. > Now > it's not even in the top 50 of the most active. And I see the same thing > everywhere. Anything that has to do with Access has dropped off the cliff > in the past couple of years. > > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Feb 20 11:44:47 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 09:44:47 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Tony's comments In-Reply-To: References: <815D9D2992A04E92AAD2CBFF4ACFA44A@XPS> Message-ID: <08341C368B5649A8B480C4C89CEC6483@HAL9007> I have been active in the Access Users Group of San Diego for many years. When I first started with them in I think 1997, there used to be 40-50 attendees at the monthly meetings, sometimes more. Now they're lucky to get ten. If we're trying to figure out how to bring back the glory days of AccessD we're probably rowing upstream. But I think that just means expanding the lists to include the newer platforms like we have done with SQL and tech lists. Maybe we should try a 'Web' list which would encompass all things web related in our development worlds - like C++, Java, Alpha 5, Mobile apps, etc. Rocky ===========I live in a very small Access cave, so my contribution to this discussion is small, and ... probably askew. I can only go by my readers' needs and questions. I receive no questions about Access. When I publish an Access tip or article, no one comments. They're not even viewing the page. Now, that might be because I'm not giving them what they want -- a very likely scenario. But no one's asking for anything either. I can't really draw much of a conclusion, but Access was once my bread and butter. I didn't stop writing about it because I wanted to -- but because publishers no longer wanted the content because subscribers no longer paid for it. Susan H. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 11:45:59 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 12:45:59 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: <0CCB561E0B71472DBA46D7FBF0E8B398@XPS> References: <0CCB561E0B71472DBA46D7FBF0E8B398@XPS> Message-ID: <51250BD7.3040008@gmail.com> Uhhh yep. I think that a lot of what is going on is that the old guard doesn't need a lot of help or is moving on or both. AccessD built back in the day when this and AccessL was it for support. That is no longer true. We got accustomed to the list and the list way of doing things and are comfortable with that. The bigger issue is that no one has the desire to step up any more. In 97 AccessD literally died. The old owner just abruptly shut it down one day. A group of us stepped up to reconstruct it and it has run more or less 'on its own' since. We have officers and a BOD but ... let's just say that things have gone so smoothly that we haven't had much need to take drastic steps. While I see occasional 'we need change' messages pass by, nobody feels so strongly that they actually volunteer to spearhead the effort. Unless that happens I don't see anything changing. There needs to be an overwhelming reason for change and a core group that wants the change in order for change to happen. This is true in any context, whether it is music, politics, society or this list. I don't see the core group desiring the change to AccessD, and I certainly don't see a groundswell of effort to define the needed change and effect that change. I needed AccessD and it went away. I helped reconstruct it. My need for AccessD is far far less now. I have a ton of friends here but if it went away entirely I would grieve and move on. 'Google is my friend' is my tech motto. That said I think that AccessD still, to this day, does what it ever did as well as it ever did. It is still an awesome resource for Access knowledge. I will support change to AccessD but don't look to me to spearhead the change. I have a life that sucks up most of my time and my need for change is small. John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/20/2013 10:58 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: > The other thing is that AccessD has not changed in many, many, years and > the list format is limiting. John just made the comment "We were going to > have a discussion about other forms that the list could you use instead of > just a list. That hasn't happened but it may yet." > > May happen? Like when? Wasn't it months ago it was talked about? From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Wed Feb 20 11:51:33 2013 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 11:51:33 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Tony's Comments In-Reply-To: <512508A1.5030105@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201302201751.r1KHpbuc001398@databaseadvisors.com> Hey John We have been how do I say it at loggerheads for years. But honestly if it hadn't been for you the list would have dissolved years ago. Not giving up on my pokes at you, you old man. Thanks Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby Sent: February-20-13 11:32 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tony's Comments LOL. bump?tious /?b?mpSH?s/ Adjective Self-assertive or proud to an irritating degree. Synonyms conceited - arrogant - overweening - assuming - cocky I will try to tone it down. ;) John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/20/2013 11:37 AM, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey Jim > > I agree with everything you have stated, and by the way you did it a lot > better than I could have. > > I guess what I am looking at (simply put), cannot all these friends on the > list help by showing us other ones what they have been doing to stay > competitive in today's market. What kind of got me going was when I posted a > question on how to develop a web page with Access. The only constructive > response I got was from Arthur Fuller who suggested I take a look at > AlphaFive which I have seriously done We all know Access is quickly sliding > down the tube. Can we not as a group support each other with possible other > alternatives. Because of the decline in Access projects several times I > have wanted to offer my services for free to others (and still may do) who > may need help with an ongoing Access projects. Bumptious Colby and others > have said we need a revamp to the list and I agree. We have so many smart > minds on the list we should be working together as a community not as > isolated satellites. > > > > Again what it worth, my 2 cents (sorry in Canada we don't have pennies > anymore) > > > > Tony Septav > > Nanaimo, BC > > Canada > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6113 - Release Date: 02/18/13 From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 11:54:33 2013 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 12:54:33 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Tony's comments References: <815D9D2992A04E92AAD2CBFF4ACFA44A@XPS> <08341C368B5649A8B480C4C89CEC6483@HAL9007> Message-ID: <85CF2E62FCB34839BCCDAE869D6DE93B@SusanHarkins> > Maybe we should try a 'Web' list which would encompass all things web > related in our development worlds - like C++, Java, Alpha 5, Mobile apps, > etc. ==========I'd be interested in learning about the mobile SQLs too. Susan H. From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Wed Feb 20 11:57:07 2013 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 11:57:07 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Tired of the List Message-ID: <201302201757.r1KHvBKY001435@databaseadvisors.com> Hey All All I can say "Is let us work as a community", and let us look at the future not the past. There is too many good things to waste here. If we do the list is dead. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada From jimdettman at verizon.net Wed Feb 20 12:06:58 2013 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 13:06:58 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: <51250BD7.3040008@gmail.com> References: <0CCB561E0B71472DBA46D7FBF0E8B398@XPS> <51250BD7.3040008@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54D55DC9565C408CB29E6BE0A2261EA2@XPS> <> I meant to add that as well in the part about not being overly critical; all of us work, have bills to pay, etc. Most of us are on our own and there's no one but us. We don't work, we don't get paid. So when it comes down to billable work vs. contributing, you know what will come first more often then not. I see the same situation on EE. Taking the time to write up articles, blogs, etc. requires considerable effort and a lot more then most appreciate. Anyone that's tried it knows and I'm sure Susan can attest to that. Personally I think you should just throw everything in one list (except for OT) at this point and let people filter out what they want with their e-mail client. Either that or convert to a forum with a few sub boards so it's more in everyone's face that there are conversations going on in other areas. That would show where many of us have gone and maybe spark some interest in others to look in those directions (like VB.net). As developers, we still face many of the same problems even if it is not in Access. Certainly would get the activity level up as well... Jim. From davidmcafee at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 12:09:27 2013 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 10:09:27 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: <54D55DC9565C408CB29E6BE0A2261EA2@XPS> References: <0CCB561E0B71472DBA46D7FBF0E8B398@XPS> <51250BD7.3040008@gmail.com> <54D55DC9565C408CB29E6BE0A2261EA2@XPS> Message-ID: My feelings as well On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: > > Personally I think you should just throw everything in one list (except for > OT) at this point and let people filter out what they want with their > e-mail > client. Either that or convert to a forum with a few sub boards so it's > more in everyone's face that there are conversations going on in other > areas. > From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Wed Feb 20 12:09:55 2013 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 12:09:55 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] I am tired at doing this Message-ID: <201302201810.r1KI9x5u001523@databaseadvisors.com> Hey All Let us make this list work. As I have said I would love to hear how you all have been doing with new venues etc. Suggestions would be good also. Let us keep talking and helping each other out. Yes we have all grown and moved on but we are what I would call a very dysfunctional family of friends, let us not let it end. Thanks Tony Septav Nanaimo. BC Canada From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Feb 20 12:09:57 2013 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 18:09:57 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Tony's comments References: <815D9D2992A04E92AAD2CBFF4ACFA44A@XPS> Message-ID: Well, I'm a recent joiner of the forum, and a long-time lurker in 40 years in IT - lots of mainframes (DB2, CICS etc.) Oracle & and PC's since the BBC-B & IBM PC's came into the UK When Windows NT & then 2K, with Office2K were 'new' there was a lot of Access activity in business and on forums - major reasons being: Cheap (well, relatively) development platform, Could be kept away from the main IT 'management' and infrastructure Access 'Forms' and reports made it a reasonable knock-up facility - with input forms and report examples being (almost) as easy to create as working facilities as a set of mainframe based demo layouts, and the Access bits worked! There was a reasonable inbuilt access control facility (if the site's web-police' didn't disable it. AND Most developers were on the second quarter of the learning curve (just before the steep bit!) Then we got OFFICE XP, followed by 2003 - not that much change in the facility - so those learning had got to the point of being well skilled but not experts. BUT There were all those other facilities - PHP, HTML MySQL - and the Oracle facility got to be a fairly fully functional front-end GUI builder Add to that Oracle and DB2 that worked on a PC. And - Blogs blossomed, sand seeded all over everything Meanwhile Access had done little to keep ahead of the competition. THEN - we get 2007, 2010 and the 'user-control' gets 'adjusted' - there is the new Ribbon to learn ( not really an Access 'Tech' subject) And Excel gets to be big enough that you really could do database menipulation and storage in it AND Management could avoid the second tier price premium for the product to be installed So - yes, there are few 'learners' coming onto lists such as this Yes - there are few questions being posed. Similar happenings on the < and and even the beginners forum So - if you want this forum to recover then I suspect the forum needs to become a bit more inviting to new users, and include such things as you seem to be putting into your blogs, or at least links to the working examples of problems beginners are liable to encounter That way people would (perhaps) start reccomending it as a startpoint for help Consider for instance - Access forms are relatively easy compared to doing it in Excel. So - how about some instructions as to how to generate data entry forms (with validation) in Access, and then use them in association with SQL data extraction insertion, update and deletion running with Excel as a front-end Currently my usage and experience are such that I am unlikely to be posting solutions, but I'm still (probably) going to be lurking! JimB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Harkins" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tony's comments >> 2. "What is also obvious is that we are failing to attract new minnows. >> It's >> possible that this is because the pool of ambitious Access power-users is >> shrinking." >> >> Those two points go to the heart of the matter; Access is a mature >> product, other products have moved into it's niche, and as a result no >> one >> is doing anything new with it. >> >> For example, why is not anyone talking about Azure or Access web >> databases? Because no one (or very few) are doing anything with them. >> Most >> of us have moved onto other things, so there is nothing new to talk >> about. >> Tony's comment of "Nowadays new Access projects are drying up faster then >> the Sahara" is spot on. It's not just here either, but everywhere. The >> Access TA on EE was one of the top traffic areas since 1996 until 2011. >> Now >> it's not even in the top 50 of the most active. And I see the same thing >> everywhere. Anything that has to do with Access has dropped off the >> cliff >> in the past couple of years. > > ===========I live in a very small Access cave, so my contribution to this > discussion is small, and ... probably askew. I can only go by my readers' > needs and questions. I receive no questions about Access. When I publish > an Access tip or article, no one comments. They're not even viewing the > page. Now, that might be because I'm not giving them what they want -- a > very likely scenario. But no one's asking for anything either. I can't > really draw much of a conclusion, but Access was once my bread and butter. > I didn't stop writing about it because I wanted to -- but because > publishers no longer wanted the content because subscribers no longer paid > for it. > > Susan H. From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 12:29:56 2013 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 13:29:56 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes References: <0CCB561E0B71472DBA46D7FBF0E8B398@XPS> <51250BD7.3040008@gmail.com> <54D55DC9565C408CB29E6BE0A2261EA2@XPS> Message-ID: > I meant to add that as well in the part about not being overly critical; > all of us work, have bills to pay, etc. Most of us are on our own and > there's no one but us. We don't work, we don't get paid. So when it > comes > down to billable work vs. contributing, you know what will come first more > often then not. I see the same situation on EE. Taking the time to write > up articles, blogs, etc. requires considerable effort and a lot more then > most appreciate. Anyone that's tried it knows and I'm sure Susan can > attest to that. =========The reader I'm responding to appreciates it, I hope. I get some of the wildest thank yous (see below) and I appreciate them for sure, but the bank laughs when I try to deposit them. :) Susan H. Dear Susan, May ALL of the Gods and Good Spirits of ALL existence give you a long and happy life & praise you along with all of us who have greatly benefitted from your advice aon this topic [ at http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10things/10-steps-to-setting-up-page-numbering-in-word-sections/1827] !!!! I have worked in IT for over 30 years, taught many courses , and run my IT consulting now, and this ithe first topic in Word that really stumped me and took 32 tries, lost sleep, etc... until now to find Yourclear,concise, and complete advice - worked Beautifully ! From jwcolby at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 12:43:26 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 13:43:26 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Tony's comments In-Reply-To: <08341C368B5649A8B480C4C89CEC6483@HAL9007> References: <815D9D2992A04E92AAD2CBFF4ACFA44A@XPS> <08341C368B5649A8B480C4C89CEC6483@HAL9007> Message-ID: <5125194E.5000907@gmail.com> Yep, yep and yep. BTW did you know I was a founding member of the Access user's group in SD? That was back in '94 or thereabouts. I got a job through Volt Technical building an Access db and there was no help, even very few books. There used to be this little computer oriented rag in the area with a 'wanted' section. Someone advertised to start an Access User's Group and I answered the ad along with about 5 other people. It was a god send. Then came the internet and AccessD. There is no Access specific user's group here in Raleigh-Durham, I looked the other day. John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/20/2013 12:44 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > I have been active in the Access Users Group of San Diego for many years. > When I first started with them in I think 1997, there used to be 40-50 > attendees at the monthly meetings, sometimes more. Now they're lucky to get > ten. > > If we're trying to figure out how to bring back the glory days of AccessD > we're probably rowing upstream. But I think that just means expanding the > lists to include the newer platforms like we have done with SQL and tech > lists. > > Maybe we should try a 'Web' list which would encompass all things web > related in our development worlds - like C++, Java, Alpha 5, Mobile apps, > etc. > > Rocky From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Wed Feb 20 13:00:57 2013 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 13:00:57 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Tony's comments In-Reply-To: <5125194E.5000907@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201302201901.r1KJ11c8001816@databaseadvisors.com> Hey John And you were just as bumptious then as you are now. Makes me smile, please do not take offence. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby Sent: February-20-13 12:43 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tony's comments Yep, yep and yep. BTW did you know I was a founding member of the Access user's group in SD? That was back in '94 or thereabouts. I got a job through Volt Technical building an Access db and there was no help, even very few books. There used to be this little computer oriented rag in the area with a 'wanted' section. Someone advertised to start an Access User's Group and I answered the ad along with about 5 other people. It was a god send. Then came the internet and AccessD. There is no Access specific user's group here in Raleigh-Durham, I looked the other day. John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/20/2013 12:44 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > I have been active in the Access Users Group of San Diego for many years. > When I first started with them in I think 1997, there used to be 40-50 > attendees at the monthly meetings, sometimes more. Now they're lucky to get > ten. > > If we're trying to figure out how to bring back the glory days of AccessD > we're probably rowing upstream. But I think that just means expanding the > lists to include the newer platforms like we have done with SQL and tech > lists. > > Maybe we should try a 'Web' list which would encompass all things web > related in our development worlds - like C++, Java, Alpha 5, Mobile apps, > etc. > > Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6113 - Release Date: 02/18/13 From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 13:10:38 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 14:10:38 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Tony's comments - Part 2 In-Reply-To: References: <0CCB561E0B71472DBA46D7FBF0E8B398@XPS> Message-ID: I'd go for that (Linux topic) option. And although he hangs mainly on the dba-Tech group, I'm sure my friend and co-author would be there too. A. From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 13:41:26 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 11:41:26 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Tony's comments In-Reply-To: <5125194E.5000907@gmail.com> References: <815D9D2992A04E92AAD2CBFF4ACFA44A@XPS> <08341C368B5649A8B480C4C89CEC6483@HAL9007> <5125194E.5000907@gmail.com> Message-ID: We have an extremely small Access Users Group in Sacramento (most of us have grown old and gray in Access), but I'm heading up to Portland in May for their conference. Several Access MVPs presenting, and a small enough group to really get acquainted. Reminds me of our Access-D get togethers. Charlotte On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 10:43 AM, John W Colby wrote: > Yep, yep and yep. > > BTW did you know I was a founding member of the Access user's group in SD? > That was back in '94 or thereabouts. I got a job through Volt Technical > building an Access db and there was no help, even very few books. There > used to be this little computer oriented rag in the area with a 'wanted' > section. Someone advertised to start an Access User's Group and I answered > the ad along with about 5 other people. It was a god send. > > Then came the internet and AccessD. > > There is no Access specific user's group here in Raleigh-Durham, I looked > the other day. > > John W. Colby > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > > On 2/20/2013 12:44 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > >> I have been active in the Access Users Group of San Diego for many >> years. >> When I first started with them in I think 1997, there used to be 40-50 >> attendees at the monthly meetings, sometimes more. Now they're lucky to >> get >> ten. >> >> If we're trying to figure out how to bring back the glory days of AccessD >> we're probably rowing upstream. But I think that just means expanding the >> lists to include the newer platforms like we have done with SQL and tech >> lists. >> >> Maybe we should try a 'Web' list which would encompass all things web >> related in our development worlds - like C++, Java, Alpha 5, Mobile apps, >> etc. >> >> Rocky >> > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Feb 20 13:51:44 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 11:51:44 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Tony's comments - Part 2 In-Reply-To: <0CCB561E0B71472DBA46D7FBF0E8B398@XPS> References: <0CCB561E0B71472DBA46D7FBF0E8B398@XPS> Message-ID: <1B306B0DC6A049EAB7DAA011F6B88469@creativesystemdesigns.com> To change the list format there are a number of options: 1. Use an existing Blog infrastructure; Wordpress, Blotspot etc. 2. Use a forum type format; there are many options there. In these options there are a number of considerations. 1. How to get everyone redirected to a single product. 2. With Blogs there are limits to which any corporate entity will allow blog-members and the resources to used. 3. All blogs can be easily hacked or have the passing public dumping garbage or spam into the site so it will take continual management. 4. All corporate choices are very public and anything posted is publically owned. The finally option would be to roll-your-own. This is potentially the most time-consuming but flexible and possibly secure option but maybe something can be hacked together with a limited amount of effort. I personally like the secure forum option, think the roll-your-option is best and then other formats like Blogs can be linked in. I also believe we do have the expertise to pull off anything we desire. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 7:58 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Tony's comments - Part 2 The other thing is that AccessD has not changed in many, many, years and the list format is limiting. John just made the comment "We were going to have a discussion about other forms that the list could you use instead of just a list. That hasn't happened but it may yet." May happen? Like when? Wasn't it months ago it was talked about? or changes to the web site? Don't take me wrong, I'm not trying to be overly critical (for example, where is *my* contribution). My point is that Access D has remained virtually unchanged since it's beginning. Is it any wonder there are not new members? There's nothing here to attract them. Blogging, Articles, uploads, etc should have been done years ago (and just as an FYI, we had the same discussions on EE about 7-8 years ago). I belong to a local board for dirt bike riders and it's got way more features then Access D has (it's a simple machines board and cost approx $60/yr). The times have changed and Access D has not. And while I applaud the article from Arthur and John; guys the horse left the barn years ago. These would have been killer articles ten years back, but now? No one is building anything sophisticated in VBA anymore. Look to the 3rd party world; do you see any of the old standby's updated for 64 bit? No. Stephan has retired from all things Access, FMS is really not cranking out any new stuff, MZ Tools has been on version 3 for years now, and Smart Indenter hasn't been updated beyond A2003. Arthur did make one point that I disagree with "There is also the possibility that our discussions have acquired such a narrow focus as to be intelligible only to the Accesserati." If anything, the opposite is true and is something I complained about a couple of years back; to a certain extent, we seem to talk about just about anything and everything here now. It's not just Access anymore and I believe I share some of Tony's feelings on this as well. I got tired of the list several years back after seeing nothing new from anyone, seeing the same stuff over and over (how many PK debates have we had), and reading post after post from John about his latest SQL Server/Windows Server adventures, networking in his house, etc., which had nothing to do with Access. But everyone basically said "times have changed and we all do a lot more then just Access now", which is totally correct. A list re-organization was suggested back then. But once again, nothing ever happened and here we are a couple of years latter with nothing changed, having the same conversation all over again. Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Feb 20 13:53:17 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 11:53:17 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Tony's comments In-Reply-To: <815D9D2992A04E92AAD2CBFF4ACFA44A@XPS> References: <815D9D2992A04E92AAD2CBFF4ACFA44A@XPS> Message-ID: Jim Very true. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 7:58 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Tony's comments NOTE: This is a two part message because for some weird reason, the list keeps telling me it's larger then 20kb. All, Arthur brought up some excellent points: 1. "is that we have co-educated one another to the point that we know most of the answers to most of the obvious questions." 2. "What is also obvious is that we are failing to attract new minnows. It's possible that this is because the pool of ambitious Access power-users is shrinking." Those two points go to the heart of the matter; Access is a mature product, other products have moved into it's niche, and as a result no one is doing anything new with it. For example, why is not anyone talking about Azure or Access web databases? Because no one (or very few) are doing anything with them. Most of us have moved onto other things, so there is nothing new to talk about. Tony's comment of "Nowadays new Access projects are drying up faster then the Sahara" is spot on. It's not just here either, but everywhere. The Access TA on EE was one of the top traffic areas since 1996 until 2011. Now it's not even in the top 50 of the most active. And I see the same thing everywhere. Anything that has to do with Access has dropped off the cliff in the past couple of years. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Feb 20 14:28:23 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 12:28:23 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Tony's comments - Part 2 In-Reply-To: References: <0CCB561E0B71472DBA46D7FBF0E8B398@XPS> Message-ID: Hi all: True but there are not many R on R, Python, PHP, ASP.Net, JavaScript and HTML developers on this list, in fact darn few web designer here of any level. There are also very few people who have any knowledge of servers, other than for limited network use. If the word Linux is not in your development vocabulary it is time to start learning. Another word like HTML should just look like a challenge and not something to be avoided. I have not heard of anyone talking about the great app they just wrote for some Tablet or Smartphone?...yet. Any developer with an eye to the future had better be looking at the browser instead of the desktop. If not, the best development work you can hope for in the future, is maintaining other programmer's (and I use that title liberally) crap until the client moves to the web. Because most of the desktop apps are history, there will never be another replacement for MS Access...they are just are not needed. If any of you have been frequenting the DBA-Tech list you will know discussion has been argued at some length but also would have seen many links to great new technologies and not just items with a MS seal of approval. (or Smartphone/iPhone, tablet, Linux or Apple for that matter.) As I am "sort" of retired, I can help anyone willing to take the plunge but I will not build your next website, product app, setup your server, install your Linux distro or web-database for you. ;-) So get with the program, get to work you old farts and quit whining!!! ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 8:33 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tony's comments - Part 2 My issue with this list is that is focused on Microsoft tech and so I don't have a lot to say. When I do have something to say, I feel it is often met with silence, unless it is something that is a hot button issue (ie. Apple, Windows 8, state of the job market, etc). Maybe it's because most of you know each other well and I'm just an outsider. Maybe we should add a few new mailing lists. For instance one for Linux, since Jim, Arthur and I all have an interest in this. Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 20 Feb 2013, at 07:58, "Jim Dettman" wrote: > The other thing is that AccessD has not changed in many, many, years and > the list format is limiting. John just made the comment "We were going to > have a discussion about other forms that the list could you use instead of > just a list. That hasn't happened but it may yet." > > May happen? Like when? Wasn't it months ago it was talked about? or > changes to the web site? Don't take me wrong, I'm not trying to be overly > critical (for example, where is *my* contribution). My point is that > Access D has remained virtually unchanged since it's beginning. Is it any > wonder there are not new members? There's nothing here to attract them. > Blogging, Articles, uploads, etc should have been done years ago (and just > as an FYI, we had the same discussions on EE about 7-8 years ago). I belong > to a local board for dirt bike riders and it's got way more features then > Access D has (it's a simple machines board and cost approx $60/yr). The > times have changed and Access D has not. > > And while I applaud the article from Arthur and John; guys the horse left > the barn years ago. These would have been killer articles ten years back, > but now? No one is building anything sophisticated in VBA anymore. Look to > the 3rd party world; do you see any of the old standby's updated for 64 bit? > No. Stephan has retired from all things Access, FMS is really not cranking > out any new stuff, MZ Tools has been on version 3 for years now, and Smart > Indenter hasn't been updated beyond A2003. > > Arthur did make one point that I disagree with "There is also the > possibility that our discussions have acquired such a narrow focus as to be > intelligible only to the Accesserati." > > If anything, the opposite is true and is something I complained about a > couple of years back; to a certain extent, we seem to talk about just about > anything and everything here now. It's not just Access anymore and I > believe I share some of Tony's feelings on this as well. I got tired of the > list several years back after seeing nothing new from anyone, seeing the > same stuff over and over (how many PK debates have we had), and reading > post after post from John about his latest SQL Server/Windows Server > adventures, networking in his house, etc., which had nothing to do with > Access. > > But everyone basically said "times have changed and we all do a lot more > then just Access now", which is totally correct. A list re-organization was > suggested back then. But once again, nothing ever happened and here we are > a couple of years latter with nothing changed, having the same conversation > all over again. > > Jim > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Feb 20 14:32:21 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 12:32:21 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Tony's Comments In-Reply-To: <201302201637.r1KGbDmI001038@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201302201637.r1KGbDmI001038@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: At this moment the DBA-tech list is where the action. That is where all the leading tech and related preferences is being discussed. There may not be a lot of solutions there but there are a lot of questions and that is where it all starts. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 8:37 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Tony's Comments Hey Jim I agree with everything you have stated, and by the way you did it a lot better than I could have. I guess what I am looking at (simply put), cannot all these friends on the list help by showing us other ones what they have been doing to stay competitive in today's market. What kind of got me going was when I posted a question on how to develop a web page with Access. The only constructive response I got was from Arthur Fuller who suggested I take a look at AlphaFive which I have seriously done We all know Access is quickly sliding down the tube. Can we not as a group support each other with possible other alternatives. Because of the decline in Access projects several times I have wanted to offer my services for free to others (and still may do) who may need help with an ongoing Access projects. Bumptious Colby and others have said we need a revamp to the list and I agree. We have so many smart minds on the list we should be working together as a community not as isolated satellites. Again what it worth, my 2 cents (sorry in Canada we don't have pennies anymore) Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Feb 20 14:35:07 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 12:35:07 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Tony's comments In-Reply-To: References: <815D9D2992A04E92AAD2CBFF4ACFA44A@XPS> Message-ID: Hi David: You have got my attension. Keep us posted my good man. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 9:43 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tony's comments We mainly use ADPs at work. I read they are officially deprecated as of A2013. I think VBA as we know it is going away too, not sure if it is A2013 or not. So we're currently web-ifying all of our projects. Some of them are going to Azure, others NoSQL. It may just be me, but I'd welcome any discussions whether it be Access, VB, .Net, C#, Azure, HTML5, Javascript, CSS. :) Other may feels it would clutter this list, but if Access is dying and we all have various other experiences, I think we could help each other out. Just me, D On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: > NOTE: This is a two part message because for some weird reason, the list > keeps telling me it's larger then 20kb. > > All, > > Arthur brought up some excellent points: > > 1. "is that we have co-educated one another to the point that we know most > of the answers to most of the obvious questions." > > 2. "What is also obvious is that we are failing to attract new minnows. > It's > possible that this is because the pool of ambitious Access power-users is > shrinking." > > Those two points go to the heart of the matter; Access is a mature > product, other products have moved into it's niche, and as a result no one > is doing anything new with it. > > For example, why is not anyone talking about Azure or Access web > databases? Because no one (or very few) are doing anything with them. > Most > of us have moved onto other things, so there is nothing new to talk about. > Tony's comment of "Nowadays new Access projects are drying up faster then > the Sahara" is spot on. It's not just here either, but everywhere. The > Access TA on EE was one of the top traffic areas since 1996 until 2011. > Now > it's not even in the top 50 of the most active. And I see the same thing > everywhere. Anything that has to do with Access has dropped off the cliff > in the past couple of years. > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Feb 20 14:52:59 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 12:52:59 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: <51250BD7.3040008@gmail.com> References: <0CCB561E0B71472DBA46D7FBF0E8B398@XPS> <51250BD7.3040008@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7409811E1AE940BBB7518F0FCB084CA2@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi John: I think you have hit on something...indirectly. As I see it the main problem for in many in this group is being able to get up to speed in the new (and old) technologies. You providing an information and subsequent venue in which to ask and comment will be a great help to so many on the list. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 9:46 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes Uhhh yep. I think that a lot of what is going on is that the old guard doesn't need a lot of help or is moving on or both. AccessD built back in the day when this and AccessL was it for support. That is no longer true. We got accustomed to the list and the list way of doing things and are comfortable with that. The bigger issue is that no one has the desire to step up any more. In 97 AccessD literally died. The old owner just abruptly shut it down one day. A group of us stepped up to reconstruct it and it has run more or less 'on its own' since. We have officers and a BOD but ... let's just say that things have gone so smoothly that we haven't had much need to take drastic steps. While I see occasional 'we need change' messages pass by, nobody feels so strongly that they actually volunteer to spearhead the effort. Unless that happens I don't see anything changing. There needs to be an overwhelming reason for change and a core group that wants the change in order for change to happen. This is true in any context, whether it is music, politics, society or this list. I don't see the core group desiring the change to AccessD, and I certainly don't see a groundswell of effort to define the needed change and effect that change. I needed AccessD and it went away. I helped reconstruct it. My need for AccessD is far far less now. I have a ton of friends here but if it went away entirely I would grieve and move on. 'Google is my friend' is my tech motto. That said I think that AccessD still, to this day, does what it ever did as well as it ever did. It is still an awesome resource for Access knowledge. I will support change to AccessD but don't look to me to spearhead the change. I have a life that sucks up most of my time and my need for change is small. John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/20/2013 10:58 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: > The other thing is that AccessD has not changed in many, many, years and > the list format is limiting. John just made the comment "We were going to > have a discussion about other forms that the list could you use instead of > just a list. That hasn't happened but it may yet." > > May happen? Like when? Wasn't it months ago it was talked about? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Wed Feb 20 14:55:13 2013 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:55:13 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Tony's comments In-Reply-To: References: <815D9D2992A04E92AAD2CBFF4ACFA44A@XPS> Message-ID: <0CEFC78567DB4D2AA0B12F0EB2D0313B@XPS> <> That is correct. <> I don't think anytime soon (it is in A2013), BUT you can be sure there will be no major enhancements to desktop databases in Access anymore. It's simply not Microsoft's focus. As Jim L said, it's all about the web and the cloud. Desktop development is dying off. <> Sounds like DB-Tech is the list to be on. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 12:43 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tony's comments <> From hans.andersen at phulse.com Wed Feb 20 15:00:07 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 13:00:07 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Tony's comments - Part 2 In-Reply-To: References: <0CCB561E0B71472DBA46D7FBF0E8B398@XPS> Message-ID: >True but there are not many R on R, Python, PHP, ASP.Net, JavaScript and HTML developers on this list, in fact darn few web designer here of any level Then perhaps maybe this is just the wrong mailing list for me? I guess the problem might be that we don't have too many new people joining with a fresh perspective on newer technologies. - Hans * Hans-Christian Andersen **Web Application Developer, Vancouver, Canada* E: hans at phulse.com T: +44 (0)20 7193 7841 L: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/andersenhc http://www.nokenode.com/ *Unique Gifts, Collectables, Artwork* *Come one, come all to.... *www.corinnajasmine.com * * On 20 February 2013 12:28, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi all: > > True but there are not many R on R, Python, PHP, ASP.Net, JavaScript and > HTML developers on this list, in fact darn few web designer here of any > level. There are also very few people who have any knowledge of servers, > other than for limited network use. If the word Linux is not in your > development vocabulary it is time to start learning. Another word like HTML > should just look like a challenge and not something to be avoided. I have > not heard of anyone talking about the great app they just wrote for some > Tablet or Smartphone?...yet. > > Any developer with an eye to the future had better be looking at the > browser > instead of the desktop. If not, the best development work you can hope for > in the future, is maintaining other programmer's (and I use that title > liberally) crap until the client moves to the web. > > Because most of the desktop apps are history, there will never be another > replacement for MS Access...they are just are not needed. > > If any of you have been frequenting the DBA-Tech list you will know > discussion has been argued at some length but also would have seen many > links to great new technologies and not just items with a MS seal of > approval. (or Smartphone/iPhone, tablet, Linux or Apple for that matter.) > > As I am "sort" of retired, I can help anyone willing to take the plunge but > I will not build your next website, product app, setup your server, install > your Linux distro or web-database for you. ;-) > > So get with the program, get to work you old farts and quit whining!!! ;-) > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian > Andersen > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 8:33 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tony's comments - Part 2 > > My issue with this list is that is focused on Microsoft tech and so I don't > have a lot to say. When I do have something to say, I feel it is often met > with silence, unless it is something that is a hot button issue (ie. Apple, > Windows 8, state of the job market, etc). Maybe it's because most of you > know each other well and I'm just an outsider. > > Maybe we should add a few new mailing lists. For instance one for Linux, > since Jim, Arthur and I all have an interest in this. > > Best regards, > Hans-Christian Andersen > > > On 20 Feb 2013, at 07:58, "Jim Dettman" wrote: > > > The other thing is that AccessD has not changed in many, many, years and > > the list format is limiting. John just made the comment "We were going > to > > have a discussion about other forms that the list could you use instead > of > > just a list. That hasn't happened but it may yet." > > > > May happen? Like when? Wasn't it months ago it was talked about? or > > changes to the web site? Don't take me wrong, I'm not trying to be > overly > > critical (for example, where is *my* contribution). My point is that > > Access D has remained virtually unchanged since it's beginning. Is it > any > > wonder there are not new members? There's nothing here to attract them. > > Blogging, Articles, uploads, etc should have been done years ago (and > just > > as an FYI, we had the same discussions on EE about 7-8 years ago). I > belong > > to a local board for dirt bike riders and it's got way more features then > > Access D has (it's a simple machines board and cost approx $60/yr). The > > times have changed and Access D has not. > > > > And while I applaud the article from Arthur and John; guys the horse > left > > the barn years ago. These would have been killer articles ten years > back, > > but now? No one is building anything sophisticated in VBA anymore. Look > to > > the 3rd party world; do you see any of the old standby's updated for 64 > bit? > > No. Stephan has retired from all things Access, FMS is really not > cranking > > out any new stuff, MZ Tools has been on version 3 for years now, and > Smart > > Indenter hasn't been updated beyond A2003. > > > > Arthur did make one point that I disagree with "There is also the > > possibility that our discussions have acquired such a narrow focus as to > be > > intelligible only to the Accesserati." > > > > If anything, the opposite is true and is something I complained about a > > couple of years back; to a certain extent, we seem to talk about just > about > > anything and everything here now. It's not just Access anymore and I > > believe I share some of Tony's feelings on this as well. I got tired of > the > > list several years back after seeing nothing new from anyone, seeing the > > same stuff over and over (how many PK debates have we had), and reading > > post after post from John about his latest SQL Server/Windows Server > > adventures, networking in his house, etc., which had nothing to do with > > Access. > > > > But everyone basically said "times have changed and we all do a lot more > > then just Access now", which is totally correct. A list re-organization > was > > suggested back then. But once again, nothing ever happened and here we > are > > a couple of years latter with nothing changed, having the same > conversation > > all over again. > > > > Jim > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Wed Feb 20 15:03:00 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 13:03:00 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Tony's comments - Part 2 In-Reply-To: References: <0CCB561E0B71472DBA46D7FBF0E8B398@XPS> Message-ID: Awesome. Would be great to have a Linux list at the very least. I might be able to suggest other things, but who is in charge of the list anyhow? - Hans * * On 20 February 2013 11:10, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I'd go for that (Linux topic) option. And although he hangs mainly on the > dba-Tech group, I'm sure my friend and co-author would be there too. > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 15:19:35 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 13:19:35 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Tony's comments In-Reply-To: <0CEFC78567DB4D2AA0B12F0EB2D0313B@XPS> References: <815D9D2992A04E92AAD2CBFF4ACFA44A@XPS> <0CEFC78567DB4D2AA0B12F0EB2D0313B@XPS> Message-ID: But we have the Access-D clubhouse decorated exactly the way we like it! If we moved to another list, we'd have to live with their furniture. ;-( Charlotte On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Jim Dettman wrote: > < A2013.>> > > That is correct. > > < not.>> > > I don't think anytime soon (it is in A2013), BUT you can be sure there > will be no major enhancements to desktop databases in Access anymore. It's > simply not Microsoft's focus. As Jim L said, it's all about the web and > the > cloud. Desktop development is dying off. > > < VB, .Net, C#, Azure, HTML5, Javascript, CSS.>> > > Sounds like DB-Tech is the list to be on. > > Jim. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 12:43 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tony's comments > > <> > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Feb 20 15:20:10 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 13:20:10 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Tony's comments In-Reply-To: References: <815D9D2992A04E92AAD2CBFF4ACFA44A@XPS> Message-ID: <26B901E02621421E80D12F9816AB2347@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi JB: Good one Jim and I will save the links. (Even setup a Peach Accounting system once.) Aside: Microsoft fumbled, big time, lost track of its users requirements and instead of morphing the Access product to the users needs, like products like Oracle, Adobe did...it is either evolve or expire. Maybe when companies become too rich, dominant and successful they become conservative and lazy...case in point. After IBMs thrashing in the 1980s, they turned things around and Microsoft is trying to do the same but it will probably take ten years in the wilderness (and the retirement of Steve Ballmer) for a hungry and leaner MS to emerge with the ability to listen instead of dictating...and a real new universe database interface will appear where Access used to be. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 10:10 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tony's comments Well, I'm a recent joiner of the forum, and a long-time lurker in 40 years in IT - lots of mainframes (DB2, CICS etc.) Oracle & and PC's since the BBC-B & IBM PC's came into the UK When Windows NT & then 2K, with Office2K were 'new' there was a lot of Access activity in business and on forums - major reasons being: Cheap (well, relatively) development platform, Could be kept away from the main IT 'management' and infrastructure Access 'Forms' and reports made it a reasonable knock-up facility - with input forms and report examples being (almost) as easy to create as working facilities as a set of mainframe based demo layouts, and the Access bits worked! There was a reasonable inbuilt access control facility (if the site's web-police' didn't disable it. AND Most developers were on the second quarter of the learning curve (just before the steep bit!) Then we got OFFICE XP, followed by 2003 - not that much change in the facility - so those learning had got to the point of being well skilled but not experts. BUT There were all those other facilities - PHP, HTML MySQL - and the Oracle facility got to be a fairly fully functional front-end GUI builder Add to that Oracle and DB2 that worked on a PC. And - Blogs blossomed, sand seeded all over everything Meanwhile Access had done little to keep ahead of the competition. THEN - we get 2007, 2010 and the 'user-control' gets 'adjusted' - there is the new Ribbon to learn ( not really an Access 'Tech' subject) And Excel gets to be big enough that you really could do database menipulation and storage in it AND Management could avoid the second tier price premium for the product to be installed So - yes, there are few 'learners' coming onto lists such as this Yes - there are few questions being posed. Similar happenings on the < and and even the beginners forum So - if you want this forum to recover then I suspect the forum needs to become a bit more inviting to new users, and include such things as you seem to be putting into your blogs, or at least links to the working examples of problems beginners are liable to encounter That way people would (perhaps) start reccomending it as a startpoint for help Consider for instance - Access forms are relatively easy compared to doing it in Excel. So - how about some instructions as to how to generate data entry forms (with validation) in Access, and then use them in association with SQL data extraction insertion, update and deletion running with Excel as a front-end Currently my usage and experience are such that I am unlikely to be posting solutions, but I'm still (probably) going to be lurking! JimB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Harkins" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tony's comments >> 2. "What is also obvious is that we are failing to attract new minnows. >> It's >> possible that this is because the pool of ambitious Access power-users is >> shrinking." >> >> Those two points go to the heart of the matter; Access is a mature >> product, other products have moved into it's niche, and as a result no >> one >> is doing anything new with it. >> >> For example, why is not anyone talking about Azure or Access web >> databases? Because no one (or very few) are doing anything with them. >> Most >> of us have moved onto other things, so there is nothing new to talk >> about. >> Tony's comment of "Nowadays new Access projects are drying up faster then >> the Sahara" is spot on. It's not just here either, but everywhere. The >> Access TA on EE was one of the top traffic areas since 1996 until 2011. >> Now >> it's not even in the top 50 of the most active. And I see the same thing >> everywhere. Anything that has to do with Access has dropped off the >> cliff >> in the past couple of years. > > ===========I live in a very small Access cave, so my contribution to this > discussion is small, and ... probably askew. I can only go by my readers' > needs and questions. I receive no questions about Access. When I publish > an Access tip or article, no one comments. They're not even viewing the > page. Now, that might be because I'm not giving them what they want -- a > very likely scenario. But no one's asking for anything either. I can't > really draw much of a conclusion, but Access was once my bread and butter. > I didn't stop writing about it because I wanted to -- but because > publishers no longer wanted the content because subscribers no longer paid > for it. > > Susan H. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Feb 20 15:30:45 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 13:30:45 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Tony's comments - Part 2 In-Reply-To: References: <0CCB561E0B71472DBA46D7FBF0E8B398@XPS> Message-ID: <3717F762CEF04AC09DA0CB482593AB59@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Hans: Well, you are at the cross-roads of the DBA-Access list. Things do not change on their own. With every new person on the list it changes and those are changes that should be encouraged. There is an incredible depth of experience on this list but not necessarily web or server knowledge but that will change with every new list member. In other words, it is the members that change the list and not the list changes the members. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 1:00 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tony's comments - Part 2 >True but there are not many R on R, Python, PHP, ASP.Net, JavaScript and HTML developers on this list, in fact darn few web designer here of any level Then perhaps maybe this is just the wrong mailing list for me? I guess the problem might be that we don't have too many new people joining with a fresh perspective on newer technologies. - Hans * Hans-Christian Andersen **Web Application Developer, Vancouver, Canada* E: hans at phulse.com T: +44 (0)20 7193 7841 L: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/andersenhc http://www.nokenode.com/ *Unique Gifts, Collectables, Artwork* *Come one, come all to.... *www.corinnajasmine.com * * On 20 February 2013 12:28, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi all: > > True but there are not many R on R, Python, PHP, ASP.Net, JavaScript and > HTML developers on this list, in fact darn few web designer here of any > level. There are also very few people who have any knowledge of servers, > other than for limited network use. If the word Linux is not in your > development vocabulary it is time to start learning. Another word like HTML > should just look like a challenge and not something to be avoided. I have > not heard of anyone talking about the great app they just wrote for some > Tablet or Smartphone?...yet. > > Any developer with an eye to the future had better be looking at the > browser > instead of the desktop. If not, the best development work you can hope for > in the future, is maintaining other programmer's (and I use that title > liberally) crap until the client moves to the web. > > Because most of the desktop apps are history, there will never be another > replacement for MS Access...they are just are not needed. > > If any of you have been frequenting the DBA-Tech list you will know > discussion has been argued at some length but also would have seen many > links to great new technologies and not just items with a MS seal of > approval. (or Smartphone/iPhone, tablet, Linux or Apple for that matter.) > > As I am "sort" of retired, I can help anyone willing to take the plunge but > I will not build your next website, product app, setup your server, install > your Linux distro or web-database for you. ;-) > > So get with the program, get to work you old farts and quit whining!!! ;-) > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian > Andersen > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 8:33 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tony's comments - Part 2 > > My issue with this list is that is focused on Microsoft tech and so I don't > have a lot to say. When I do have something to say, I feel it is often met > with silence, unless it is something that is a hot button issue (ie. Apple, > Windows 8, state of the job market, etc). Maybe it's because most of you > know each other well and I'm just an outsider. > > Maybe we should add a few new mailing lists. For instance one for Linux, > since Jim, Arthur and I all have an interest in this. > > Best regards, > Hans-Christian Andersen > > > On 20 Feb 2013, at 07:58, "Jim Dettman" wrote: > > > The other thing is that AccessD has not changed in many, many, years and > > the list format is limiting. John just made the comment "We were going > to > > have a discussion about other forms that the list could you use instead > of > > just a list. That hasn't happened but it may yet." > > > > May happen? Like when? Wasn't it months ago it was talked about? or > > changes to the web site? Don't take me wrong, I'm not trying to be > overly > > critical (for example, where is *my* contribution). My point is that > > Access D has remained virtually unchanged since it's beginning. Is it > any > > wonder there are not new members? There's nothing here to attract them. > > Blogging, Articles, uploads, etc should have been done years ago (and > just > > as an FYI, we had the same discussions on EE about 7-8 years ago). I > belong > > to a local board for dirt bike riders and it's got way more features then > > Access D has (it's a simple machines board and cost approx $60/yr). The > > times have changed and Access D has not. > > > > And while I applaud the article from Arthur and John; guys the horse > left > > the barn years ago. These would have been killer articles ten years > back, > > but now? No one is building anything sophisticated in VBA anymore. Look > to > > the 3rd party world; do you see any of the old standby's updated for 64 > bit? > > No. Stephan has retired from all things Access, FMS is really not > cranking > > out any new stuff, MZ Tools has been on version 3 for years now, and > Smart > > Indenter hasn't been updated beyond A2003. > > > > Arthur did make one point that I disagree with "There is also the > > possibility that our discussions have acquired such a narrow focus as to > be > > intelligible only to the Accesserati." > > > > If anything, the opposite is true and is something I complained about a > > couple of years back; to a certain extent, we seem to talk about just > about > > anything and everything here now. It's not just Access anymore and I > > believe I share some of Tony's feelings on this as well. I got tired of > the > > list several years back after seeing nothing new from anyone, seeing the > > same stuff over and over (how many PK debates have we had), and reading > > post after post from John about his latest SQL Server/Windows Server > > adventures, networking in his house, etc., which had nothing to do with > > Access. > > > > But everyone basically said "times have changed and we all do a lot more > > then just Access now", which is totally correct. A list re-organization > was > > suggested back then. But once again, nothing ever happened and here we > are > > a couple of years latter with nothing changed, having the same > conversation > > all over again. > > > > Jim > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Wed Feb 20 15:38:34 2013 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:38:34 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Tony's Comments Message-ID: <201302202138.r1KLcb4S002752@databaseadvisors.com> Hey All Jeez you bunch of bone heads. Lets get together and see how we can pull this list from the ashes. I do not care anymore about history. What are we going to be doing as a community?. The amount of knowledge that is available within this group is eminence. This could be a list that allows the users to grow and prosper. At the moment it is simply a stupid chat list. Do we do it or do we let it die. Not my choice. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Wed Feb 20 15:42:39 2013 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:42:39 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] The list - Oooops Message-ID: <201302202142.r1KLggxd002797@databaseadvisors.com> Hey All What he heck is "this group is eminence." Jeez some spelling checker should have been is incredible. From davidmcafee at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 15:46:09 2013 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 13:46:09 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Tony's comments In-Reply-To: References: <815D9D2992A04E92AAD2CBFF4ACFA44A@XPS> <0CEFC78567DB4D2AA0B12F0EB2D0313B@XPS> Message-ID: Exactly what i was thinking Sent from my Droid phone. On Feb 20, 2013 1:21 PM, "Charlotte Foust" wrote: > But we have the Access-D clubhouse decorated exactly the way we like it! > If we moved to another list, we'd have to live with their furniture. ;-( > > Charlotte > > On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Jim Dettman >wrote: > > > < > A2013.>> > > > > That is correct. > > > > < or > > not.>> > > > > I don't think anytime soon (it is in A2013), BUT you can be sure there > > will be no major enhancements to desktop databases in Access anymore. > It's > > simply not Microsoft's focus. As Jim L said, it's all about the web and > > the > > cloud. Desktop development is dying off. > > > > < Access, > > VB, .Net, C#, Azure, HTML5, Javascript, CSS.>> > > > > Sounds like DB-Tech is the list to be on. > > > > Jim. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee > > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 12:43 PM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tony's comments > > > > <> > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 15:58:13 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 16:58:13 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Tony's comments In-Reply-To: <201302201901.r1KJ11c8001816@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201302201901.r1KJ11c8001816@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <512546F5.3060706@gmail.com> Even worse back then. John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/20/2013 2:00 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey John > And you were just as bumptious then as you are now. > Makes me smile, please do not take offence. > > Tony Septav > Nanaimo, BC > Canada > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby > Sent: February-20-13 12:43 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tony's comments > > Yep, yep and yep. > > BTW did you know I was a founding member of the Access user's group in SD? > That was back in '94 or > thereabouts. I got a job through Volt Technical building an Access db and > there was no help, even > very few books. There used to be this little computer oriented rag in the > area with a 'wanted' > section. Someone advertised to start an Access User's Group and I answered > the ad along with about > 5 other people. It was a god send. > > Then came the internet and AccessD. > > There is no Access specific user's group here in Raleigh-Durham, I looked > the other day. > > John W. Colby > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 2/20/2013 12:44 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >> >> I have been active in the Access Users Group of San Diego for many years. >> When I first started with them in I think 1997, there used to be 40-50 >> attendees at the monthly meetings, sometimes more. Now they're lucky to > get >> ten. >> >> If we're trying to figure out how to bring back the glory days of AccessD >> we're probably rowing upstream. But I think that just means expanding the >> lists to include the newer platforms like we have done with SQL and tech >> lists. >> >> Maybe we should try a 'Web' list which would encompass all things web >> related in our development worlds - like C++, Java, Alpha 5, Mobile apps, >> etc. >> >> Rocky From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 16:39:01 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 14:39:01 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Treeview - Worth a look. In-Reply-To: <32CE2B837B9542268802BBC6A8B82054@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <201302191815.r1JIFjTL028419@databaseadvisors.com> <32CE2B837B9542268802BBC6A8B82054@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: >> I am waiting with bated breathe. Thank you, Jim. It's nice to know there are still old codgers around who understand the difference between "bated" and "baited"! LOL Charlotte From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Wed Feb 20 16:50:54 2013 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 22:50:54 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Upcoming blogs - was Re: Tired of this List In-Reply-To: <5124EC2A.6050707@gmail.com> References: <201302200028.r1K0SfOG030101@databaseadvisors.com> <1664EC43EC824F3086A83B0445B97E67@creativesystemdesigns.com> <51243EF4.3090603@gmail.com> <5124EC2A.6050707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534418E93@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> John, Consider using MS's Onenote, (or Evernote if MS software is not your thing) - they are both excellent. I would say One note is one of the best pieces of software MS have come up with for a long time. Up there with Excel for sheer usefulness. I use it everyday now. Cheers Darryl, -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2013 2:31 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Upcoming blogs - was Re: Tired of this List I use Blogspot.com which may belong to Google(?). Blogspot has a browser based editor and I use that. The edited blog is saved as a draft until I publish it. The editor sucks, but it mostly works to do what I need. I could use word or notepad I suppose to do it offline annd then just paste it in at the last moment. I use the provided editor simply because I am trying to get a standard look and feel and there is a very limited set of fonts with the provided editor. I could of course just do the formatting at the end after the paste but... so far I don't. I do edit it as a draft, save it, work on it, polish it, then publish it. I can edit it after publishing if I need to. John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/20/2013 9:45 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > I'm not familiar with your tools at all. I use WordPress for my blog > and have been happy with that. One thing I learned was to work on a > piece in something else (I use EverNote) until it's roughly the shape > I want, then paste the text into a new post. But I also save that > post as a draft until it's finished. Do you have that capability, JC? > > Charlotte > > On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 7:11 PM, John W Colby wrote: > >> jwcolby.blogspot.com >> >> I hate the blogging tool and the blogging process, but I love that it >> is finally being published in a "permanent" location. Piece by piece >> I will eventually get it all written. Next up will be a clsCtlCbo to >> do the background color change specifically for my friend Arthur. >> >> Once those two control wrappers are out there I will likely add >> functionality to them. For example I use the double click event of >> the combo to open a form bound to the table behind a combo, moving to >> the record that the combo is displaying, allowing the edit of that >> (or any) record. Or moving to the new record if the combo is blank >> (not displaying a record). This is a very useful behavior for a >> combo, and one which I developed specifically so that my users could >> get at the table behind the combo. >> >> After that I will tackle the date formatting for the text box. >> >> These kinds of behaviors are precisely the reasons for control >> wrappers and demonstrate why classes and events are so important in >> moving to the next level. >> >> John W. Colby >> >> Reality is what refuses to go away >> when you do not believe in it >> >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd> eadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> >> Website: >> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Feb 20 17:16:19 2013 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 23:16:19 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Tony's comments References: <815D9D2992A04E92AAD2CBFF4ACFA44A@XPS> <26B901E02621421E80D12F9816AB2347@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <6CC386AF599C41BBA353EFE2964AA945@jamesc319792ae> Don't just save the links - join in the fun! At least at the Access-L list I don't think it was that Access needed morphing so much as it needed to be expanded to include facilities for easy acces to things like web pages, and maybe become the major forms development facility for Windows (or at least the Office Applications) I also consider the lack of proper consideration of users views to be a major problem, especially when combined with what appears to me to be a major problem with some 'management' within MS considering that innovation means losing compatability with prior versions, or making those who are forced to buy new 'stuff' also buy 'extra stuff' that came with earlier versions, or is needed to support versions. As in get the 'Pro' 7 to have XP stuff run But - back to the forum: What, with my short membership, I get from the current discussion, is that the forum is a bit too self-centred, and acronym using for newcomers to Access. But that isn't going to stop me lurking - well I hope not. I'm certainly interested in the solution to the thread OPen Excel worksheet from Access JimB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Lawrence" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tony's comments > Hi JB: > > Good one Jim and I will save the links. (Even setup a Peach Accounting > system once.) > > Aside: Microsoft fumbled, big time, lost track of its users requirements > and > instead of morphing the Access product to the users needs, like products > like Oracle, Adobe did...it is either evolve or expire. Maybe when > companies > become too rich, dominant and successful they become conservative and > lazy...case in point. > > After IBMs thrashing in the 1980s, they turned things around and Microsoft > is trying to do the same but it will probably take ten years in the > wilderness (and the retirement of Steve Ballmer) for a hungry and leaner > MS > to emerge with the ability to listen instead of dictating...and a real new > universe database interface will appear where Access used to be. > > Jim From davidmcafee at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 17:26:07 2013 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:26:07 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Tony's comments In-Reply-To: <6CC386AF599C41BBA353EFE2964AA945@jamesc319792ae> References: <815D9D2992A04E92AAD2CBFF4ACFA44A@XPS> <26B901E02621421E80D12F9816AB2347@creativesystemdesigns.com> <6CC386AF599C41BBA353EFE2964AA945@jamesc319792ae> Message-ID: But Access was too good of a tool. MS has been wanting to kill it for years. Actually more like dumb it down, make it a power user tool rather than a developer tool. MS would rather have developers using Visual Studio. D On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 3:16 PM, James Button wrote: > Don't just save the links - join in the fun! > At least at the Access-L list > > I don't think it was that Access needed morphing so much as it needed to > be expanded to include facilities for easy acces to things like web pages, > and maybe become the major forms development facility for Windows (or at > least the Office Applications) > > I also consider the lack of proper consideration of users views to be a > major problem, especially when combined with what appears to me to be a > major problem with some 'management' within MS considering that innovation > means losing compatability with prior versions, or making those who are > forced to buy new 'stuff' also buy 'extra stuff' that came with earlier > versions, or is needed to support versions. > > As in get the 'Pro' 7 to have XP stuff run > > But - back to the forum: > What, with my short membership, I get from the current discussion, is that > the forum is a bit too self-centred, and acronym using for newcomers to > Access. > > But that isn't going to stop me lurking - well I hope not. > I'm certainly interested in the solution to the thread > OPen Excel worksheet from Access > > JimB > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Lawrence" > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 9:20 PM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tony's comments > > > Hi JB: >> >> Good one Jim and I will save the links. (Even setup a Peach Accounting >> system once.) >> >> Aside: Microsoft fumbled, big time, lost track of its users requirements >> and >> instead of morphing the Access product to the users needs, like products >> like Oracle, Adobe did...it is either evolve or expire. Maybe when >> companies >> become too rich, dominant and successful they become conservative and >> lazy...case in point. >> >> After IBMs thrashing in the 1980s, they turned things around and Microsoft >> is trying to do the same but it will probably take ten years in the >> wilderness (and the retirement of Steve Ballmer) for a hungry and leaner >> MS >> to emerge with the ability to listen instead of dictating...and a real new >> universe database interface will appear where Access used to be. >> >> Jim >> > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 17:57:31 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 18:57:31 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Upcoming blogs - was Re: Tired of this List In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534418E93@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <201302200028.r1K0SfOG030101@databaseadvisors.com> <1664EC43EC824F3086A83B0445B97E67@creativesystemdesigns.com> <51243EF4.3090603@gmail.com> <5124EC2A.6050707@gmail.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534418E93@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: I too am a big fan of OneNote. I've got about a dozen notebooks -- one for VBA code, one for Recipes, one for Quotations, etc., and one for each new client/project I undertake. It's especially great for that: keeps all the emails, meeting notes, to-do list, everything all in one place. I like that a lot. Arthur From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Wed Feb 20 18:11:59 2013 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 00:11:59 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Upcoming blogs - was Re: Tired of this List In-Reply-To: References: <201302200028.r1K0SfOG030101@databaseadvisors.com> <1664EC43EC824F3086A83B0445B97E67@creativesystemdesigns.com> <51243EF4.3090603@gmail.com> <5124EC2A.6050707@gmail.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534418E93@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B53441912A@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> I love the way I can have a single OneNote app, with dozens of Notes in each. And each Notebook can be sync'd to a different location. Some are stored on my local PC and only I can access them Some are stored on Sharepoint and I can choose to share it with other users and access it from anywhere Some are stored on the skydrive (can be shared or not) They all just sync up when the connection is live and wherever and many users can update and add ideas at the same time. And you can put just about anything into them Saving is automatic, as is multiple backups. I am also doing a finance course and the Formula creation feature is very very cool indeed. You can enter it like = PV-FV/PV*r and onenote will automatically write it as a 'true' formula so it reads correctly. You can also do math directly in a notebook. For example - Enter "2+2=" and it will automatically produce "4" for you. (it reads "2+2=4", rather than just "4"). Nice. Heavy integration with Outlook - you can set up tasks and dates in Onenote and link them into Outook, or visa versa - save emails directly from Outlook in to Onenote (and back again). Awesome for keeping track all the data, emails, tasks and appointments for a specific task. Hell, there is gobs of clever things - I am still learning new tricks each week. As I said, best bit of software since Excel : ) Cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2013 10:58 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Upcoming blogs - was Re: Tired of this List I too am a big fan of OneNote. I've got about a dozen notebooks -- one for VBA code, one for Recipes, one for Quotations, etc., and one for each new client/project I undertake. It's especially great for that: keeps all the emails, meeting notes, to-do list, everything all in one place. I like that a lot. Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Wed Feb 20 18:17:10 2013 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 18:17:10 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Tired of the list Message-ID: <201302210017.r1L0HDrD003573@databaseadvisors.com> Hey All I guess it worked. We are all talking again, Yahoooo! Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Wed Feb 20 18:22:29 2013 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 00:22:29 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Tired of the list In-Reply-To: <201302210017.r1L0HDrD003573@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201302210017.r1L0HDrD003573@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534419172@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Heh... My biggest issue with the list is most of you are in North America so you are usually asleep / dozy / tipsy et al when I (and Stuart) are awake and at work. ;) Although Tipsy can be amusing.... -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2013 11:17 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Tired of the list Hey All I guess it worked. We are all talking again, Yahoooo! Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Wed Feb 20 18:29:08 2013 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 18:29:08 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] The list - Oooops In-Reply-To: <201302202142.r1KLggxd002797@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201302202142.r1KLggxd002797@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <016e01ce0fca$769a57c0$63cf0740$@winhaven.net> I figured you meant "immense" but were playing into one of Arthur's language accent jokes. ;-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 3:43 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] The list - Oooops Hey All What he heck is "this group is eminence." Jeez some spelling checker should have been is incredible. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Feb 20 18:34:32 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 10:34:32 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Tired of the list In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534419172@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <201302210017.r1L0HDrD003573@databaseadvisors.com>, <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534419172@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <51256B98.22361.42DBE1E5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Yep, it's a bit of a PITA to fire up the laptop at 7:00 am and find that there has been a raging discussion going on for many hours and I have dozens of list emails to work through while I have my morning coffee. :-) -- Stuart On 21 Feb 2013 at 0:22, Darryl Collins wrote: > Heh... My biggest issue with the list is most of you are in North > America so you are usually asleep / dozy / tipsy et al when I (and > Stuart) are awake and at work. ;) Although Tipsy can be amusing.... > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav > Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2013 11:17 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] Tired of the list > > Hey All > > I guess it worked. We are all talking again, Yahoooo! > > > > Tony Septav > > Nanaimo, BC > > Canada > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Feb 20 18:38:25 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 10:38:25 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] The list - Oooops In-Reply-To: <016e01ce0fca$769a57c0$63cf0740$@winhaven.net> References: <201302202142.r1KLggxd002797@databaseadvisors.com>, <016e01ce0fca$769a57c0$63cf0740$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <51256C81.32094.42DF6F93@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Nothing wrong with eminence :-) On 20 Feb 2013 at 18:29, John Bartow wrote: > I figured you meant "immense" but were playing into one of Arthur's language > accent jokes. ;-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 3:43 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] The list - Oooops > > Hey All > > What he heck is "this group is eminence." Jeez some spelling checker should > have been is incredible. > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 19:03:24 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 20:03:24 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Upcoming blogs - was Re: Tired of this List In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534418E93@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <201302200028.r1K0SfOG030101@databaseadvisors.com> <1664EC43EC824F3086A83B0445B97E67@creativesystemdesigns.com> <51243EF4.3090603@gmail.com> <5124EC2A.6050707@gmail.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534418E93@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <5125725C.1060400@gmail.com> Does this publish to blogspot? John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/20/2013 5:50 PM, Darryl Collins wrote: > John, > > Consider using MS's Onenote, (or Evernote if MS software is not your thing) - they are both excellent. I would say One note is one of the best pieces of software MS have come up with for a long time. Up there with Excel for sheer usefulness. I use it everyday now. > > Cheers > Darryl, > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby > Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2013 2:31 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Upcoming blogs - was Re: Tired of this List > > I use Blogspot.com which may belong to Google(?). > > Blogspot has a browser based editor and I use that. The edited blog is saved as a draft until I publish it. The editor sucks, but it mostly works to do what I need. I could use word or notepad I suppose to do it offline annd then just paste it in at the last moment. I use the provided editor simply because I am trying to get a standard look and feel and there is a very limited set of fonts with the provided editor. I could of course just do the formatting at the end after the paste but... so far I don't. I do edit it as a draft, save it, work on it, polish it, then publish it. I can edit it after publishing if I need to. > > John W. Colby > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 2/20/2013 9:45 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote: >> I'm not familiar with your tools at all. I use WordPress for my blog >> and have been happy with that. One thing I learned was to work on a >> piece in something else (I use EverNote) until it's roughly the shape >> I want, then paste the text into a new post. But I also save that >> post as a draft until it's finished. Do you have that capability, JC? >> >> Charlotte >> >> On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 7:11 PM, John W Colby wrote: >> >>> jwcolby.blogspot.com >>> >>> I hate the blogging tool and the blogging process, but I love that it >>> is finally being published in a "permanent" location. Piece by piece >>> I will eventually get it all written. Next up will be a clsCtlCbo to >>> do the background color change specifically for my friend Arthur. >>> >>> Once those two control wrappers are out there I will likely add >>> functionality to them. For example I use the double click event of >>> the combo to open a form bound to the table behind a combo, moving to >>> the record that the combo is displaying, allowing the edit of that >>> (or any) record. Or moving to the new record if the combo is blank >>> (not displaying a record). This is a very useful behavior for a >>> combo, and one which I developed specifically so that my users could >>> get at the table behind the combo. >>> >>> After that I will tackle the date formatting for the text box. >>> >>> These kinds of behaviors are precisely the reasons for control >>> wrappers and demonstrate why classes and events are so important in >>> moving to the next level. >>> >>> John W. Colby >>> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away >>> when you do not believe in it >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd>> eadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> >>> Website: >>> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >>> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Wed Feb 20 19:21:55 2013 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 01:21:55 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Upcoming blogs - was Re: Tired of this List In-Reply-To: <5125725C.1060400@gmail.com> References: <201302200028.r1K0SfOG030101@databaseadvisors.com> <1664EC43EC824F3086A83B0445B97E67@creativesystemdesigns.com> <51243EF4.3090603@gmail.com> <5124EC2A.6050707@gmail.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534418E93@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <5125725C.1060400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B53441923E@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Never done it, but it is possible with Office 2007+ <> Hope that helps. Cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2013 12:03 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Upcoming blogs - was Re: Tired of this List Does this publish to blogspot? John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/20/2013 5:50 PM, Darryl Collins wrote: > John, > > Consider using MS's Onenote, (or Evernote if MS software is not your thing) - they are both excellent. I would say One note is one of the best pieces of software MS have come up with for a long time. Up there with Excel for sheer usefulness. I use it everyday now. > > Cheers > Darryl, > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W > Colby > Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2013 2:31 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Upcoming blogs - was Re: Tired of this List > > I use Blogspot.com which may belong to Google(?). > > Blogspot has a browser based editor and I use that. The edited blog is saved as a draft until I publish it. The editor sucks, but it mostly works to do what I need. I could use word or notepad I suppose to do it offline annd then just paste it in at the last moment. I use the provided editor simply because I am trying to get a standard look and feel and there is a very limited set of fonts with the provided editor. I could of course just do the formatting at the end after the paste but... so far I don't. I do edit it as a draft, save it, work on it, polish it, then publish it. I can edit it after publishing if I need to. > > John W. Colby > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 2/20/2013 9:45 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote: >> I'm not familiar with your tools at all. I use WordPress for my blog >> and have been happy with that. One thing I learned was to work on a >> piece in something else (I use EverNote) until it's roughly the shape >> I want, then paste the text into a new post. But I also save that >> post as a draft until it's finished. Do you have that capability, JC? >> >> Charlotte >> >> On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 7:11 PM, John W Colby wrote: >> >>> jwcolby.blogspot.com >>> >>> I hate the blogging tool and the blogging process, but I love that >>> it is finally being published in a "permanent" location. Piece by >>> piece I will eventually get it all written. Next up will be a >>> clsCtlCbo to do the background color change specifically for my friend Arthur. >>> >>> Once those two control wrappers are out there I will likely add >>> functionality to them. For example I use the double click event of >>> the combo to open a form bound to the table behind a combo, moving >>> to the record that the combo is displaying, allowing the edit of >>> that (or any) record. Or moving to the new record if the combo is >>> blank (not displaying a record). This is a very useful behavior for >>> a combo, and one which I developed specifically so that my users >>> could get at the table behind the combo. >>> >>> After that I will tackle the date formatting for the text box. >>> >>> These kinds of behaviors are precisely the reasons for control >>> wrappers and demonstrate why classes and events are so important in >>> moving to the next level. >>> >>> John W. Colby >>> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away >>> when you do not believe in it >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd>> s eadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> >>> Website: >>> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >>> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Wed Feb 20 19:26:41 2013 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 01:26:41 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Upcoming blogs - was Re: Tired of this List In-Reply-To: <5125725C.1060400@gmail.com> References: <201302200028.r1K0SfOG030101@databaseadvisors.com> <1664EC43EC824F3086A83B0445B97E67@creativesystemdesigns.com> <51243EF4.3090603@gmail.com> <5124EC2A.6050707@gmail.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534418E93@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <5125725C.1060400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534419250@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Ok, just looked at this now. Using Office 2010 - dead easy >From OneNote goto 'backstage' File Send Send to Blog It seems to use MS Word's blogging account controls so you will need MS Word installed as well, I assume it would have to be the same release version as One-note, (so 2007-2007, 2010-2010) Looks like once it is set up it will just do it automagically in future. Have a play - maybe useful. Cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2013 12:03 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Upcoming blogs - was Re: Tired of this List Does this publish to blogspot? John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/20/2013 5:50 PM, Darryl Collins wrote: > John, > > Consider using MS's Onenote, (or Evernote if MS software is not your thing) - they are both excellent. I would say One note is one of the best pieces of software MS have come up with for a long time. Up there with Excel for sheer usefulness. I use it everyday now. > > Cheers > Darryl, > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W > Colby > Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2013 2:31 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Upcoming blogs - was Re: Tired of this List > > I use Blogspot.com which may belong to Google(?). > > Blogspot has a browser based editor and I use that. The edited blog is saved as a draft until I publish it. The editor sucks, but it mostly works to do what I need. I could use word or notepad I suppose to do it offline annd then just paste it in at the last moment. I use the provided editor simply because I am trying to get a standard look and feel and there is a very limited set of fonts with the provided editor. I could of course just do the formatting at the end after the paste but... so far I don't. I do edit it as a draft, save it, work on it, polish it, then publish it. I can edit it after publishing if I need to. > > John W. Colby > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 2/20/2013 9:45 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote: >> I'm not familiar with your tools at all. I use WordPress for my blog >> and have been happy with that. One thing I learned was to work on a >> piece in something else (I use EverNote) until it's roughly the shape >> I want, then paste the text into a new post. But I also save that >> post as a draft until it's finished. Do you have that capability, JC? >> >> Charlotte >> >> On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 7:11 PM, John W Colby wrote: >> >>> jwcolby.blogspot.com >>> >>> I hate the blogging tool and the blogging process, but I love that >>> it is finally being published in a "permanent" location. Piece by >>> piece I will eventually get it all written. Next up will be a >>> clsCtlCbo to do the background color change specifically for my friend Arthur. >>> >>> Once those two control wrappers are out there I will likely add >>> functionality to them. For example I use the double click event of >>> the combo to open a form bound to the table behind a combo, moving >>> to the record that the combo is displaying, allowing the edit of >>> that (or any) record. Or moving to the new record if the combo is >>> blank (not displaying a record). This is a very useful behavior for >>> a combo, and one which I developed specifically so that my users >>> could get at the table behind the combo. >>> >>> After that I will tackle the date formatting for the text box. >>> >>> These kinds of behaviors are precisely the reasons for control >>> wrappers and demonstrate why classes and events are so important in >>> moving to the next level. >>> >>> John W. Colby >>> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away >>> when you do not believe in it >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd>> s eadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> >>> Website: >>> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >>> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 21:48:32 2013 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 22:48:32 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Tired of this List In-Reply-To: <201302200318.r1K3I5VH030775@databaseadvisors.com> References: <1664EC43EC824F3086A83B0445B97E67@creativesystemdesigns.com> <201302200318.r1K3I5VH030775@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Meaning? -- less friends? (I hope not) -- less problems needing solutions? (mmmm could be, but...) -- less solutions being offered to the problems posted? (I haven't noticed posts being ignored) -- less sharing? (Well, There is a plethora of social and professional media discussing the type problems also covered here, so maybe the list is obsolescing as a main source for input/output.) Most of the time I am ashamed to ask a question here that I can get the answer for Googling it. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 10:18 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tired of this List Hey All Point your fingers where you will. I know this would start conflict. I am not having a bad day. Guess what I really do like John Colby for all his good sides and bad sides (we have been doing this for over 20 years on this list). My comment is simply this "The list used to be a source where friends shared information and SOLUTIONS" from some of the most knowledgeable individuals I have ever run into. I am just saddened (say what you will) how things have declined. Just my 2 cents worth. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: February-19-13 8:53 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tired of this List Tony: The past is gone and we all move on to bigger and better things...that's life. There is no point in crying over it or being disappointed. We must just make the best of it and while morphing in new directions and opportunities. The industry has not stopped in fact it has grown exponentially and there are so many options out there. Check out the DBA-tech list if you are interested. By the way where are your contributions? Every bit helps so get to it. As the saying goes, "Ask not what the list can do for you ask what you can do for the list." Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 4:29 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Tired of this List Hey All I am going to be doing it again and you can tell me to F......... ! Before you take your fingers out and poke out my eyes. I am again disappointed with this list. We get crap from likes of Colby etc. "Who cares". and then we get good stuff from individuals like Arthur Fuller. That was what the list was built upon and shined in the past, everybody sharing. Albeirt there is still some good advice being given, but it has no longer been a friends on friends discussion. I may be tired and old but I am also disappointed, the list no longer has any relevance. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6113 - Release Date: 02/18/13 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 21:49:01 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 22:49:01 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] jwcolby.blogspot.com - the combo control wrapper Message-ID: <5125992D.6000604@gmail.com> A new post is up there for a combo control wrapper class. Arthur, I know you tried to create this class. Tell me what you did different. Please guys, if you don't understand something or have any questions, please ask (in the blog comments). Thanks, -- John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From vbacreations at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 21:51:02 2013 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 22:51:02 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Upcoming blogs - was Re: Tired of this List In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534418E93@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <201302200028.r1K0SfOG030101@databaseadvisors.com> <1664EC43EC824F3086A83B0445B97E67@creativesystemdesigns.com> <51243EF4.3090603@gmail.com> <5124EC2A.6050707@gmail.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534418E93@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: How about putting on a webinar for us showing us what you do with it Darryl? I have no sense of its grandness. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 5:51 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Upcoming blogs - was Re: Tired of this List John, Consider using MS's Onenote, (or Evernote if MS software is not your thing) - they are both excellent. I would say One note is one of the best pieces of software MS have come up with for a long time. Up there with Excel for sheer usefulness. I use it everyday now. Cheers Darryl, -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2013 2:31 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Upcoming blogs - was Re: Tired of this List I use Blogspot.com which may belong to Google(?). Blogspot has a browser based editor and I use that. The edited blog is saved as a draft until I publish it. The editor sucks, but it mostly works to do what I need. I could use word or notepad I suppose to do it offline annd then just paste it in at the last moment. I use the provided editor simply because I am trying to get a standard look and feel and there is a very limited set of fonts with the provided editor. I could of course just do the formatting at the end after the paste but... so far I don't. I do edit it as a draft, save it, work on it, polish it, then publish it. I can edit it after publishing if I need to. John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/20/2013 9:45 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > I'm not familiar with your tools at all. I use WordPress for my blog > and have been happy with that. One thing I learned was to work on a > piece in something else (I use EverNote) until it's roughly the shape > I want, then paste the text into a new post. But I also save that > post as a draft until it's finished. Do you have that capability, JC? > > Charlotte > > On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 7:11 PM, John W Colby wrote: > >> jwcolby.blogspot.com >> >> I hate the blogging tool and the blogging process, but I love that it >> is finally being published in a "permanent" location. Piece by piece >> I will eventually get it all written. Next up will be a clsCtlCbo to >> do the background color change specifically for my friend Arthur. >> >> Once those two control wrappers are out there I will likely add >> functionality to them. For example I use the double click event of >> the combo to open a form bound to the table behind a combo, moving to >> the record that the combo is displaying, allowing the edit of that >> (or any) record. Or moving to the new record if the combo is blank >> (not displaying a record). This is a very useful behavior for a >> combo, and one which I developed specifically so that my users could >> get at the table behind the combo. >> >> After that I will tackle the date formatting for the text box. >> >> These kinds of behaviors are precisely the reasons for control >> wrappers and demonstrate why classes and events are so important in >> moving to the next level. >> >> John W. Colby >> >> Reality is what refuses to go away >> when you do not believe in it >> >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd> eadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> >> Website: >> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kathryn at bassett.net Wed Feb 20 21:56:22 2013 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 19:56:22 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: <54D55DC9565C408CB29E6BE0A2261EA2@XPS> References: <0CCB561E0B71472DBA46D7FBF0E8B398@XPS> <51250BD7.3040008@gmail.com> <54D55DC9565C408CB29E6BE0A2261EA2@XPS> Message-ID: Jim said: > Personally I think you should just throw everything in one list (except for > OT) at this point and let people filter out what they want with their e-mail > client. Either that or convert to a forum with a few sub boards so it's more in > everyone's face that there are conversations going on in other areas. I hate forums. I want things that will come TO me in email rather than my having to remember to GO to the web to look at a forum. -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net?? From jwcolby at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 21:58:56 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 22:58:56 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: References: <0CCB561E0B71472DBA46D7FBF0E8B398@XPS> <51250BD7.3040008@gmail.com> <54D55DC9565C408CB29E6BE0A2261EA2@XPS> Message-ID: <51259B80.30407@gmail.com> >I hate forums. I want things that will come TO me in email rather than my having to remember to GO to the web to look at a forum. Me too. John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/20/2013 10:56 PM, Kathryn Bassett wrote: > I hate forums. I want things that will come TO me in email rather than my having to remember to GO > to the web to look at a forum. -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" > "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net From davidmcafee at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 22:12:24 2013 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 20:12:24 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Tired of the list In-Reply-To: <51256B98.22361.42DBE1E5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <201302210017.r1L0HDrD003573@databaseadvisors.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534419172@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <51256B98.22361.42DBE1E5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: I feel the same thing being on the west coast and the European members have been discussing things with the east coast members Sent from my Droid phone. On Feb 20, 2013 4:35 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" wrote: > Yep, it's a bit of a PITA to fire up the laptop at 7:00 am and find that > there has been a raging > discussion going on for many hours and I have dozens of list emails to > work through while I > have my morning coffee. :-) > > -- > Stuart > > On 21 Feb 2013 at 0:22, Darryl Collins wrote: > > > Heh... My biggest issue with the list is most of you are in North > > America so you are usually asleep / dozy / tipsy et al when I (and > > Stuart) are awake and at work. ;) Although Tipsy can be amusing.... > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav > > Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2013 11:17 AM > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: [AccessD] Tired of the list > > > > Hey All > > > > I guess it worked. We are all talking again, Yahoooo! > > > > > > > > Tony Septav > > > > Nanaimo, BC > > > > Canada > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Wed Feb 20 22:20:14 2013 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 04:20:14 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Upcoming blogs - was Re: Tired of this List In-Reply-To: References: <201302200028.r1K0SfOG030101@databaseadvisors.com> <1664EC43EC824F3086A83B0445B97E67@creativesystemdesigns.com> <51243EF4.3090603@gmail.com> <5124EC2A.6050707@gmail.com> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534418E93@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534419620@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> I like the idea, but it is going to have to wait a few years I suspect Bill. Between working full time, studying part time, having 2 kids (5 yo and 2 yo) and keeping Monica (wife) and myself happy and healthy et al, there is little spare time for such fun and junkets. I will see what I can come up with for you though Bill. Might "do a Colby" and bung it up on a blog ;) although I am sure there are already some great blogs out there on Onenote. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson (VBACreations.Com) Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2013 2:51 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Upcoming blogs - was Re: Tired of this List How about putting on a webinar for us showing us what you do with it Darryl? I have no sense of its grandness. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 5:51 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Upcoming blogs - was Re: Tired of this List John, Consider using MS's Onenote, (or Evernote if MS software is not your thing) - they are both excellent. I would say One note is one of the best pieces of software MS have come up with for a long time. Up there with Excel for sheer usefulness. I use it everyday now. Cheers Darryl, -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2013 2:31 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Upcoming blogs - was Re: Tired of this List I use Blogspot.com which may belong to Google(?). Blogspot has a browser based editor and I use that. The edited blog is saved as a draft until I publish it. The editor sucks, but it mostly works to do what I need. I could use word or notepad I suppose to do it offline annd then just paste it in at the last moment. I use the provided editor simply because I am trying to get a standard look and feel and there is a very limited set of fonts with the provided editor. I could of course just do the formatting at the end after the paste but... so far I don't. I do edit it as a draft, save it, work on it, polish it, then publish it. I can edit it after publishing if I need to. John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/20/2013 9:45 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > I'm not familiar with your tools at all. I use WordPress for my blog > and have been happy with that. One thing I learned was to work on a > piece in something else (I use EverNote) until it's roughly the shape > I want, then paste the text into a new post. But I also save that > post as a draft until it's finished. Do you have that capability, JC? > > Charlotte > > On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 7:11 PM, John W Colby wrote: > >> jwcolby.blogspot.com >> >> I hate the blogging tool and the blogging process, but I love that it >> is finally being published in a "permanent" location. Piece by piece >> I will eventually get it all written. Next up will be a clsCtlCbo to >> do the background color change specifically for my friend Arthur. >> >> Once those two control wrappers are out there I will likely add >> functionality to them. For example I use the double click event of >> the combo to open a form bound to the table behind a combo, moving to >> the record that the combo is displaying, allowing the edit of that >> (or any) record. Or moving to the new record if the combo is blank >> (not displaying a record). This is a very useful behavior for a >> combo, and one which I developed specifically so that my users could >> get at the table behind the combo. >> >> After that I will tackle the date formatting for the text box. >> >> These kinds of behaviors are precisely the reasons for control >> wrappers and demonstrate why classes and events are so important in >> moving to the next level. >> >> John W. Colby >> >> Reality is what refuses to go away >> when you do not believe in it >> >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd> eadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> >> Website: >> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Wed Feb 20 22:21:24 2013 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 04:21:24 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: References: <0CCB561E0B71472DBA46D7FBF0E8B398@XPS> <51250BD7.3040008@gmail.com> <54D55DC9565C408CB29E6BE0A2261EA2@XPS> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B53441962F@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Agreed with you 100% on this one Kathryn. Not a big fan of the forum. Much prefer these email lists. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn Bassett Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2013 2:56 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD never changes Jim said: > Personally I think you should just throw everything in one list > (except for > OT) at this point and let people filter out what they want with their e-mail > client. Either that or convert to a forum with a few sub boards so > it's more in > everyone's face that there are conversations going on in other areas. I hate forums. I want things that will come TO me in email rather than my having to remember to GO to the web to look at a forum. -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net?? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Feb 20 22:28:27 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 20:28:27 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: References: <0CCB561E0B71472DBA46D7FBF0E8B398@XPS> <51250BD7.3040008@gmail.com><54D55DC9565C408CB29E6BE0A2261EA2@XPS> Message-ID: Hi Kathryn: Noted...being as a preeminent member any suggestion you make will hold a lot of weight. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn Bassett Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 7:56 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD never changes Jim said: > Personally I think you should just throw everything in one list (except for > OT) at this point and let people filter out what they want with their e-mail > client. Either that or convert to a forum with a few sub boards so it's more in > everyone's face that there are conversations going on in other areas. I hate forums. I want things that will come TO me in email rather than my having to remember to GO to the web to look at a forum. -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net?? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Feb 20 22:29:50 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 20:29:50 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: <51259B80.30407@gmail.com> References: <0CCB561E0B71472DBA46D7FBF0E8B398@XPS> <51250BD7.3040008@gmail.com><54D55DC9565C408CB29E6BE0A2261EA2@XPS> <51259B80.30407@gmail.com> Message-ID: ...And now JWC is against it. That's it, that suggestion is toast. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 7:59 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD never changes >I hate forums. I want things that will come TO me in email rather than my having to remember to GO to the web to look at a forum. Me too. John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/20/2013 10:56 PM, Kathryn Bassett wrote: > I hate forums. I want things that will come TO me in email rather than my having to remember to GO > to the web to look at a forum. -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" > "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Feb 20 22:38:58 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 20:38:58 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Tired of the list In-Reply-To: <51256B98.22361.42DBE1E5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <201302210017.r1L0HDrD003573@databaseadvisors.com>, <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534419172@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <51256B98.22361.42DBE1E5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <34C118BAF63C4616B3629849411516CD@creativesystemdesigns.com> But it is 17 to 25 hours difference and into our future. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 4:35 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tired of the list Yep, it's a bit of a PITA to fire up the laptop at 7:00 am and find that there has been a raging discussion going on for many hours and I have dozens of list emails to work through while I have my morning coffee. :-) -- Stuart On 21 Feb 2013 at 0:22, Darryl Collins wrote: > Heh... My biggest issue with the list is most of you are in North > America so you are usually asleep / dozy / tipsy et al when I (and > Stuart) are awake and at work. ;) Although Tipsy can be amusing.... > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav > Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2013 11:17 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] Tired of the list > > Hey All > > I guess it worked. We are all talking again, Yahoooo! > > > > Tony Septav > > Nanaimo, BC > > Canada > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Wed Feb 20 22:49:56 2013 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 04:49:56 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Tired of the list In-Reply-To: <34C118BAF63C4616B3629849411516CD@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <201302210017.r1L0HDrD003573@databaseadvisors.com>, <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534419172@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <51256B98.22361.42DBE1E5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <34C118BAF63C4616B3629849411516CD@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B53441972C@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Heheh, darn right. I can tell you that Thursday has been ok... You can wake up confident of an ok day. Nearly home time here in deep south Oz on thurday arvo (oh, 'arvo' is aussie slang for afternoon)... -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2013 3:39 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tired of the list But it is 17 to 25 hours difference and into our future. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 4:35 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tired of the list Yep, it's a bit of a PITA to fire up the laptop at 7:00 am and find that there has been a raging discussion going on for many hours and I have dozens of list emails to work through while I have my morning coffee. :-) -- Stuart On 21 Feb 2013 at 0:22, Darryl Collins wrote: > Heh... My biggest issue with the list is most of you are in North > America so you are usually asleep / dozy / tipsy et al when I (and > Stuart) are awake and at work. ;) Although Tipsy can be amusing.... > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav > Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2013 11:17 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] Tired of the list > > Hey All > > I guess it worked. We are all talking again, Yahoooo! > > > > Tony Septav > > Nanaimo, BC > > Canada > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Thu Feb 21 02:22:27 2013 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 08:22:27 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C4D90D82D@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> For whats it worth my own personal thinking on the list. I hope Access D never changes. Without it I would not be doing what I do now. I no longer work with Access but what I learnt here and especially the people I met here give me the skills and knowledge to push ahead. I have done things in the many years I have been a member and been places I never thought I would see and most of it is based around the foundation and the people of this group. Has Access died, certainly for me other than a reporting tool for SharePoint. Is MS focus of the desktop, based on my knowledge and meetings here with them I would say the web is everything now. Is AccessD dead, I don't think the spirit of AccessD will ever be. AccessD to me is the people here. Not the posts or the perceived lack of quality of the post, it's the friends I have made, the people I met and the help and experience I have received. Today I am heading up Business Services at Queens University one of the top Universitirs in the UK, I have written several books, I have learnt about life, programming and other things on AccessD from those involved. I have made lifelong friends here. AccessD and the people involved is something that has touched and in many cases changed lives, I know because it changed mine. Still cant spell worth S%^t but who cares!! Martin From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Feb 21 05:05:39 2013 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 11:05:39 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Tired of the list References: <201302210017.r1L0HDrD003573@databaseadvisors.com><56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B534419172@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><51256B98.22361.42DBE1E5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Heck, Most of us in the UK will talk at anybody! (Well maybe not the French!, but - even them from down-under get spoken-to occasionally!) JimB ----- Original Message ----- From: "David McAfee" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 4:12 AM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tired of the list >I feel the same thing being on the west coast and the European members have > been discussing things with the east coast members > > Sent from my Droid phone. > On Feb 20, 2013 4:35 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" > wrote: > >> Yep, it's a bit of a PITA to fire up the laptop at 7:00 am and find that >> there has been a raging >> discussion going on for many hours and I have dozens of list emails to >> work through while I >> have my morning coffee. :-) >> >> -- >> Stuart >> >> On 21 Feb 2013 at 0:22, Darryl Collins wrote: >> >> > Heh... My biggest issue with the list is most of you are in North >> > America so you are usually asleep / dozy / tipsy et al when I (and >> > Stuart) are awake and at work. ;) Although Tipsy can be amusing.... >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: >> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav >> > Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2013 11:17 AM >> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >> > Subject: [AccessD] Tired of the list >> > >> > Hey All >> > >> > I guess it worked. We are all talking again, Yahoooo! >> > >> > >> > >> > Tony Septav >> > >> > Nanaimo, BC >> > >> > Canada >> > >> > -- >> > AccessD mailing list >> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > AccessD mailing list >> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Feb 21 05:10:18 2013 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 11:10:18 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes References: <0CCB561E0B71472DBA46D7FBF0E8B398@XPS><51250BD7.3040008@gmail.com><54D55DC9565C408CB29E6BE0A2261EA2@XPS> Message-ID: <54CFB3FB53B54724BB477CD1422518CA@jamesc319792ae> Jim, Haven't you been learned - Never include "lot" and "weight" when talking about a lady. Especially if you are within reasonably easy travelling distance! (or may be within handbagging, or brickbatting reach anytime in the future.) JimB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Lawrence" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 4:28 AM Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD never changes Hi Kathryn: Noted...being as a preeminent member any suggestion you make will hold a lot of weight. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn Bassett Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 7:56 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD never changes Jim said: > Personally I think you should just throw everything in one list (except for > OT) at this point and let people filter out what they want with their e-mail > client. Either that or convert to a forum with a few sub boards so it's more in > everyone's face that there are conversations going on in other areas. I hate forums. I want things that will come TO me in email rather than my having to remember to GO to the web to look at a forum. -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Thu Feb 21 06:42:28 2013 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 07:42:28 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: References: <0CCB561E0B71472DBA46D7FBF0E8B398@XPS> <51250BD7.3040008@gmail.com> <54D55DC9565C408CB29E6BE0A2261EA2@XPS> Message-ID: <> Every forum I belong to has e-mail notifications and you can choose to have it e-mail you once a new post is seen and then not again, or for every new post. You can also have it notify you if a new topic is posted either immediately, or in digest format (hourly, daily, weekly). In both cases, enough of the post/topic text is included (if not all) so that you can decide if you want to click on the link or not. Really, forums give you far more manageability then what we currently have with the list. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn Bassett Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 10:56 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD never changes Jim said: > Personally I think you should just throw everything in one list (except for > OT) at this point and let people filter out what they want with their e-mail > client. Either that or convert to a forum with a few sub boards so it's more in > everyone's face that there are conversations going on in other areas. I hate forums. I want things that will come TO me in email rather than my having to remember to GO to the web to look at a forum. -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net?? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Thu Feb 21 06:42:28 2013 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 07:42:28 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Tony's comments In-Reply-To: References: <815D9D2992A04E92AAD2CBFF4ACFA44A@XPS> <26B901E02621421E80D12F9816AB2347@creativesystemdesigns.com> <6CC386AF599C41BBA353EFE2964AA945@jamesc319792ae> Message-ID: <1506ACF389EB470D894E1A58D0157428@XPS> You need to be fair here; Microsoft has never said Access is a developers tool nor marketed it as such. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 06:26 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tony's comments But Access was too good of a tool. MS has been wanting to kill it for years. Actually more like dumb it down, make it a power user tool rather than a developer tool. MS would rather have developers using Visual Studio. D On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 3:16 PM, James Button wrote: <> From jwcolby at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 07:50:55 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 08:50:55 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Tony's comments In-Reply-To: <1506ACF389EB470D894E1A58D0157428@XPS> References: <815D9D2992A04E92AAD2CBFF4ACFA44A@XPS> <26B901E02621421E80D12F9816AB2347@creativesystemdesigns.com> <6CC386AF599C41BBA353EFE2964AA945@jamesc319792ae> <1506ACF389EB470D894E1A58D0157428@XPS> Message-ID: <5126263F.9040601@gmail.com> LOL, and yet... what power user understands normalization? VBA? Object models? ADO vs DAO? etc ad nasium. John W. Colby? Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/21/2013 7:42 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: > You need to be fair here; Microsoft has never said Access is a developers > tool nor marketed it as such. > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 06:26 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tony's comments > > But Access was too good of a tool. MS has been wanting to kill it for years. > Actually more like dumb it down, make it a power user tool rather than a > developer tool. > > MS would rather have developers using Visual Studio. > > D > > On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 3:16 PM, James Button > wrote: > > <> > From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Feb 21 07:57:16 2013 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:57:16 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Tony's comments References: <815D9D2992A04E92AAD2CBFF4ACFA44A@XPS><26B901E02621421E80D12F9816AB2347@creativesystemdesigns.com><6CC386AF599C41BBA353EFE2964AA945@jamesc319792ae><1506ACF389EB470D894E1A58D0157428@XPS> <5126263F.9040601@gmail.com> Message-ID: Add to that the 'free' run-time facility for 'users' and the multi-user security and the forms development JimB ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W Colby" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tony's comments > LOL, and yet... what power user understands normalization? VBA? Object > models? ADO vs DAO? etc ad nasium. > > John W. Colby? > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 2/21/2013 7:42 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: >> You need to be fair here; Microsoft has never said Access is a >> developers >> tool nor marketed it as such. >> >> Jim. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee >> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 06:26 PM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tony's comments >> >> But Access was too good of a tool. MS has been wanting to kill it for >> years. >> Actually more like dumb it down, make it a power user tool rather than a >> developer tool. >> >> MS would rather have developers using Visual Studio. >> >> D >> >> On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 3:16 PM, James Button >> wrote: >> >> <> >> > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Thu Feb 21 08:07:57 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 15:07:57 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] A2010: Show Properties sheet in formview Message-ID: <009e01ce103c$d9cc2540$8d646fc0$@cactus.dk> Hi all In earlier versions you could have the Properties sheet (or window or pane) open even when the form is in FormView. Is this possible in A2010? /gustav From davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 08:15:53 2013 From: davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com (David A Gibson) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 08:15:53 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] A2010: Show Properties sheet in formview In-Reply-To: <009e01ce103c$d9cc2540$8d646fc0$@cactus.dk> References: <009e01ce103c$d9cc2540$8d646fc0$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <009501ce103d$f6ea1af0$e4be50d0$@gmail.com> The Properties Sheet can be open in Datasheet or Layout view in MS Access 2010. David Gibson -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 8:08 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] A2010: Show Properties sheet in formview Hi all In earlier versions you could have the Properties sheet (or window or pane) open even when the form is in FormView. Is this possible in A2010? /gustav -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 08:21:40 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 09:21:40 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Tony's comments In-Reply-To: References: <815D9D2992A04E92AAD2CBFF4ACFA44A@XPS><26B901E02621421E80D12F9816AB2347@creativesystemdesigns.com><6CC386AF599C41BBA353EFE2964AA945@jamesc319792ae><1506ACF389EB470D894E1A58D0157428@XPS> <5126263F.9040601@gmail.com> Message-ID: <51262D74.2080905@gmail.com> LOL. That was included in 'Ad Nauseam' John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/21/2013 8:57 AM, James Button wrote: > Add to that > > the 'free' run-time facility for 'users' > and the multi-user security > and the forms development > > JimB > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W Colby" > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 1:50 PM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tony's comments > > >> LOL, and yet... what power user understands normalization? VBA? Object models? ADO vs DAO? etc >> ad nasium. >> >> John W. Colby? >> >> Reality is what refuses to go away >> when you do not believe in it >> >> On 2/21/2013 7:42 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: >>> You need to be fair here; Microsoft has never said Access is a developers >>> tool nor marketed it as such. >>> >>> Jim. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 06:26 PM >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tony's comments >>> >>> But Access was too good of a tool. MS has been wanting to kill it for years. >>> Actually more like dumb it down, make it a power user tool rather than a >>> developer tool. >>> >>> MS would rather have developers using Visual Studio. >>> >>> D >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 3:16 PM, James Button >>> wrote: >>> >>> <> >>> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 08:31:19 2013 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 09:31:19 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Tired of this List References: <1664EC43EC824F3086A83B0445B97E67@creativesystemdesigns.com><201302200318.r1K3I5VH030775@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <47E970704D5B4A9EA70DFE0CE5D88392@SusanHarkins> I'm the same way -- I always turn to the internet first. I can remember the days when members fussed at people for asking questions here that could be easily found on the internet. Since I'm not working with Access anymore, I seldom need to post a question. Susan H. > Most of the time I am ashamed to ask a question here that I can get the > answer for Googling it. > From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 08:33:32 2013 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 09:33:32 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C4D90D82D@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: <5208385E88FB470EB00A4D59A10F2381@SusanHarkins> > Still cant spell worth S%^t but who cares!! =======That's Okay, we all know that Irish doesn't translate easily. ;) Susan H. From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 08:32:04 2013 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 09:32:04 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes References: <0CCB561E0B71472DBA46D7FBF0E8B398@XPS> <51250BD7.3040008@gmail.com><54D55DC9565C408CB29E6BE0A2261EA2@XPS> Message-ID: <7D87CE98A35C4BE4910E576AD924FD15@SusanHarkins> I hate forums. I want things that will come TO me in email rather than my having to remember to GO to the web to look at a forum. =========Ditto -- I just can't grasp the forum concept. Susan H. From gustav at cactus.dk Thu Feb 21 08:32:27 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 15:32:27 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] A2010: Show Properties sheet in formview In-Reply-To: <009501ce103d$f6ea1af0$e4be50d0$@gmail.com> References: <009e01ce103c$d9cc2540$8d646fc0$@cactus.dk> <009501ce103d$f6ea1af0$e4be50d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00a301ce1040$4629d0e0$d27d72a0$@cactus.dk> Hi David So what you mean is, that the feature was pulled from A2010? /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af David A Gibson Sendt: 21. februar 2013 15:16 Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Emne: Re: [AccessD] A2010: Show Properties sheet in formview The Properties Sheet can be open in Datasheet or Layout view in MS Access 2010. David Gibson -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 8:08 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] A2010: Show Properties sheet in formview Hi all In earlier versions you could have the Properties sheet (or window or pane) open even when the form is in FormView. Is this possible in A2010? /gustav From davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 08:41:48 2013 From: davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com (David A Gibson) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 08:41:48 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] A2010: Show Properties sheet in formview In-Reply-To: <00a301ce1040$4629d0e0$d27d72a0$@cactus.dk> References: <009e01ce103c$d9cc2540$8d646fc0$@cactus.dk> <009501ce103d$f6ea1af0$e4be50d0$@gmail.com> <00a301ce1040$4629d0e0$d27d72a0$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <020501ce1041$94a541e0$bdefc5a0$@gmail.com> What I mean is that I opened MSA 2010 to see if I could answer your question. Property Sheet is a Ribbon option in Design, Layout, & Datasheet views but not in Form View. If you do have the Property Sheet open in the other views and switch to Form View, it disappears. David Gibson -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 8:32 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2010: Show Properties sheet in formview Hi David So what you mean is, that the feature was pulled from A2010? /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af David A Gibson Sendt: 21. februar 2013 15:16 Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Emne: Re: [AccessD] A2010: Show Properties sheet in formview The Properties Sheet can be open in Datasheet or Layout view in MS Access 2010. David Gibson -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 8:08 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] A2010: Show Properties sheet in formview Hi all In earlier versions you could have the Properties sheet (or window or pane) open even when the form is in FormView. Is this possible in A2010? /gustav -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 09:06:28 2013 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 07:06:28 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] A2010: Show Properties sheet in formview In-Reply-To: <00a301ce1040$4629d0e0$d27d72a0$@cactus.dk> References: <009e01ce103c$d9cc2540$8d646fc0$@cactus.dk> <009501ce103d$f6ea1af0$e4be50d0$@gmail.com> <00a301ce1040$4629d0e0$d27d72a0$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: It was pulled from 2007 IIRC. Even worse, layout view isn't available in ADPs. Sent from my Droid phone. On Feb 21, 2013 6:33 AM, "Gustav Brock" wrote: > Hi David > > So what you mean is, that the feature was pulled from A2010? > > /gustav > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af David A Gibson > Sendt: 21. februar 2013 15:16 > Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Emne: Re: [AccessD] A2010: Show Properties sheet in formview > > The Properties Sheet can be open in Datasheet or Layout view in MS Access > 2010. > > David Gibson > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 8:08 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] A2010: Show Properties sheet in formview > > Hi all > > In earlier versions you could have the Properties sheet (or window or pane) > open even when the form is in FormView. > Is this possible in A2010? > > /gustav > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jimdettman at verizon.net Thu Feb 21 09:31:12 2013 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 10:31:12 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Tony's comments In-Reply-To: <5126263F.9040601@gmail.com> References: <815D9D2992A04E92AAD2CBFF4ACFA44A@XPS> <26B901E02621421E80D12F9816AB2347@creativesystemdesigns.com> <6CC386AF599C41BBA353EFE2964AA945@jamesc319792ae> <1506ACF389EB470D894E1A58D0157428@XPS> <5126263F.9040601@gmail.com> Message-ID: Some, but the majority do not. But it doesn't change the fact that Access has always been part of Office and never marketed as a developer tool by Microsoft. It's never been listed by them as being part of any development technology and it's never been referred to as a developer tool. Their focus has always been taking a complex task and making it easier for the end user. MVF's, attachment data type, PDF snap-in, etc are examples of those. For the most part, they've never really focused on what developers needed. If they had, we would not still be living with reference issues, would have more 3rd party controls available to us, more control of the screen and application object, a better installer, improvements in the JET engine, etc. Microsoft has continually taken what developers stretched Access to do, looked at that, and then simplified those tasks for the end user. And now more then ever, anything that can't be simplified is being stripped out (Replication, ADP's, and Workgroup Security). Since A2007, it has been more about the end user then ever before because now, things like VS, SQL Server, and Light Switch can occupy a space that Access once had a lock on. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 08:51 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tony's comments LOL, and yet... what power user understands normalization? VBA? Object models? ADO vs DAO? etc ad nasium. John W. Colby? Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/21/2013 7:42 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: > You need to be fair here; Microsoft has never said Access is a developers > tool nor marketed it as such. > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 06:26 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tony's comments > > But Access was too good of a tool. MS has been wanting to kill it for years. <> From gustav at cactus.dk Thu Feb 21 09:31:52 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 16:31:52 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] A2010: Show Properties sheet in formview Message-ID: <00b101ce1048$92e03520$b8a09f60$@cactus.dk> Hi David and David OK, I can see in A2000 that it is the property AllowDesignChanges that must be True. That exists in A2010 as well, it is True, and the icon is visible on the Ribbon. However, clicking it doesn't do anything when the form is in FormView. Wonder why not. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af David McAfee Sendt: 21. februar 2013 16:06 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] A2010: Show Properties sheet in formview It was pulled from 2007 IIRC. Even worse, layout view isn't available in ADPs. Sent from my Droid phone. On Feb 21, 2013 6:33 AM, "Gustav Brock" wrote: > Hi David > > So what you mean is, that the feature was pulled from A2010? > > /gustav > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af David A > Gibson > Sendt: 21. februar 2013 15:16 > Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Emne: Re: [AccessD] A2010: Show Properties sheet in formview > > The Properties Sheet can be open in Datasheet or Layout view in MS > Access 2010. > > David Gibson > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav > Brock > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 8:08 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] A2010: Show Properties sheet in formview > > Hi all > > In earlier versions you could have the Properties sheet (or window or > pane) open even when the form is in FormView. > Is this possible in A2010? > > /gustav From jwcolby at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 09:36:28 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 10:36:28 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Tony's comments In-Reply-To: References: <815D9D2992A04E92AAD2CBFF4ACFA44A@XPS> <26B901E02621421E80D12F9816AB2347@creativesystemdesigns.com> <6CC386AF599C41BBA353EFE2964AA945@jamesc319792ae> <1506ACF389EB470D894E1A58D0157428@XPS> <5126263F.9040601@gmail.com> Message-ID: <51263EFC.7030102@gmail.com> Yea, yea, yea. I understand the point but in fact they want it both ways. They add all this stuff that only developers have a clue about (references are a good example) and yet beat around the bush about it being for the developers. John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/21/2013 10:31 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: > Some, but the majority do not. > > But it doesn't change the fact that Access has always been part of Office > and never marketed as a developer tool by Microsoft. > > It's never been listed by them as being part of any development technology > and it's never been referred to as a developer tool. > > Their focus has always been taking a complex task and making it easier for > the end user. MVF's, attachment data type, PDF snap-in, etc are examples of > those. For the most part, they've never really focused on what developers > needed. If they had, we would not still be living with reference issues, > would have more 3rd party controls available to us, more control of the > screen and application object, a better installer, improvements in the JET > engine, etc. > > Microsoft has continually taken what developers stretched Access to do, > looked at that, and then simplified those tasks for the end user. And now > more then ever, anything that can't be simplified is being stripped out > (Replication, ADP's, and Workgroup Security). > > Since A2007, it has been more about the end user then ever before because > now, things like VS, SQL Server, and Light Switch can occupy a space that > Access once had a lock on. > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 08:51 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tony's comments > > LOL, and yet... what power user understands normalization? VBA? Object > models? ADO vs DAO? etc ad > nasium. > > John W. Colby? > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 2/21/2013 7:42 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: >> You need to be fair here; Microsoft has never said Access is a > developers >> tool nor marketed it as such. >> >> Jim. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee >> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 06:26 PM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tony's comments >> >> But Access was too good of a tool. MS has been wanting to kill it for > years. > <> > From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Feb 21 09:55:58 2013 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 15:55:58 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Tony's comments References: <815D9D2992A04E92AAD2CBFF4ACFA44A@XPS><26B901E02621421E80D12F9816AB2347@creativesystemdesigns.com><6CC386AF599C41BBA353EFE2964AA945@jamesc319792ae><1506ACF389EB470D894E1A58D0157428@XPS> <5126263F.9040601@gmail.com> Message-ID: In that case, perhaps they should provide Access in the Home version rather than requiring those who want it to buy the 'Pro' or higher versions of MSOffice. Re "Microsoft has continually taken what developers stretched Access to do, looked at that, and then simplified those tasks for the end user" Er - and removed some of the bits that developers found helpful! I suspect that they are unhappy at the success of the ipad, iphone and similar devices, and have adopted a marketing management driven policy off chasing the competition rather than their earlier policies in the days when they seemed destind to rule the IT world, when they were leading the push for first consideration in IT market. As I once told the MD of Apricot as a simple dos.bat script (calling supercalc with a worksheet file with the same 8 byte name as the bat file, locked-up the systems at a demo:- If half of the marketing budget had been spent on getting the software right, he wouldn't have needed to spend the other half of the marketing budget. Note that system was about the size of a keyboard, had voice command, inbuilt flat screen, speaker, hard drive in the 1" thick bit that folded over the keyboard. And that was while the IBM XT was being sold with a 20MB drive. and the partable competition was a compaq 'luggable' If you know nothing about that system - well that would probably be because the 'manufacturers' effort went into marketing, when getting the software right would have seen it as a preferred executive desktop system in many organisations. JimB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Dettman" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tony's comments > > Some, but the majority do not. > > But it doesn't change the fact that Access has always been part of Office > and never marketed as a developer tool by Microsoft. > > It's never been listed by them as being part of any development technology > and it's never been referred to as a developer tool. > > Their focus has always been taking a complex task and making it easier for > the end user. MVF's, attachment data type, PDF snap-in, etc are examples > of > those. For the most part, they've never really focused on what developers > needed. If they had, we would not still be living with reference issues, > would have more 3rd party controls available to us, more control of the > screen and application object, a better installer, improvements in the JET > engine, etc. > > Microsoft has continually taken what developers stretched Access to do, > looked at that, and then simplified those tasks for the end user. And now > more then ever, anything that can't be simplified is being stripped out > (Replication, ADP's, and Workgroup Security). > > Since A2007, it has been more about the end user then ever before because > now, things like VS, SQL Server, and Light Switch can occupy a space that > Access once had a lock on. > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 08:51 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tony's comments > > LOL, and yet... what power user understands normalization? VBA? Object > models? ADO vs DAO? etc ad > nasium. > > John W. Colby? > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 2/21/2013 7:42 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: >> You need to be fair here; Microsoft has never said Access is a > developers >> tool nor marketed it as such. >> >> Jim. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee >> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 06:26 PM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tony's comments >> >> But Access was too good of a tool. MS has been wanting to kill it for > years. > <> > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Thu Feb 21 10:01:11 2013 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 11:01:11 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Tony's comments In-Reply-To: <51263EFC.7030102@gmail.com> References: <815D9D2992A04E92AAD2CBFF4ACFA44A@XPS> <26B901E02621421E80D12F9816AB2347@creativesystemdesigns.com> <6CC386AF599C41BBA353EFE2964AA945@jamesc319792ae> <1506ACF389EB470D894E1A58D0157428@XPS> <5126263F.9040601@gmail.com> <51263EFC.7030102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2E29A33852084D059ECE3AB1D932A59B@XPS> << I understand the point but in fact they want it both ways.>> Don't disagree with you there! Even now their being very coy with what their saying, but it seems obvious that they are heading towards the end user camp more then ever. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 10:36 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tony's comments Yea, yea, yea. I understand the point but in fact they want it both ways. They add all this stuff that only developers have a clue about (references are a good example) and yet beat around the bush about it being for the developers. John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/21/2013 10:31 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: > Some, but the majority do not. > > But it doesn't change the fact that Access has always been part of Office > and never marketed as a developer tool by Microsoft. > > It's never been listed by them as being part of any development technology > and it's never been referred to as a developer tool. > > Their focus has always been taking a complex task and making it easier for > the end user. MVF's, attachment data type, PDF snap-in, etc are examples of > those. For the most part, they've never really focused on what developers > needed. If they had, we would not still be living with reference issues, > would have more 3rd party controls available to us, more control of the > screen and application object, a better installer, improvements in the JET > engine, etc. > > Microsoft has continually taken what developers stretched Access to do, > looked at that, and then simplified those tasks for the end user. And now > more then ever, anything that can't be simplified is being stripped out > (Replication, ADP's, and Workgroup Security). > > Since A2007, it has been more about the end user then ever before because > now, things like VS, SQL Server, and Light Switch can occupy a space that > Access once had a lock on. > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 08:51 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tony's comments > > LOL, and yet... what power user understands normalization? VBA? Object > models? ADO vs DAO? etc ad > nasium. > > John W. Colby? > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 2/21/2013 7:42 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: >> You need to be fair here; Microsoft has never said Access is a > developers >> tool nor marketed it as such. >> >> Jim. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee >> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 06:26 PM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tony's comments >> >> But Access was too good of a tool. MS has been wanting to kill it for > years. > <> > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Feb 21 10:18:59 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 08:18:59 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C4D90D82D@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C4D90D82D@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi Martin: Can't spell?...your profession but be either that of a Doctor or a programmer...it comes with the territory. Never leave home without that spell checker. ;-) So what is your latest book? Have any of your kids followed you into this noble profession? Oh, yes I have to either ask or present an Access question... Is there any versions of Access that I can not run on Linux because they all seem to do so but I just have not testing all of them extensively? Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 12:22 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes For whats it worth my own personal thinking on the list. I hope Access D never changes. Without it I would not be doing what I do now. I no longer work with Access but what I learnt here and especially the people I met here give me the skills and knowledge to push ahead. I have done things in the many years I have been a member and been places I never thought I would see and most of it is based around the foundation and the people of this group. Has Access died, certainly for me other than a reporting tool for SharePoint. Is MS focus of the desktop, based on my knowledge and meetings here with them I would say the web is everything now. Is AccessD dead, I don't think the spirit of AccessD will ever be. AccessD to me is the people here. Not the posts or the perceived lack of quality of the post, it's the friends I have made, the people I met and the help and experience I have received. Today I am heading up Business Services at Queens University one of the top Universitirs in the UK, I have written several books, I have learnt about life, programming and other things on AccessD from those involved. I have made lifelong friends here. AccessD and the people involved is something that has touched and in many cases changed lives, I know because it changed mine. Still cant spell worth S%^t but who cares!! Martin -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Feb 21 10:21:17 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 08:21:17 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: <54CFB3FB53B54724BB477CD1422518CA@jamesc319792ae> References: <0CCB561E0B71472DBA46D7FBF0E8B398@XPS><51250BD7.3040008@gmail.com><54D55DC9565C408CB29E6BE0A2261EA2@XPS> <54CFB3FB53B54724BB477CD1422518CA@jamesc319792ae> Message-ID: <343C03D115784B669F552080B1A1E2A7@creativesystemdesigns.com> Thanks for the note of caution JimB. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 3:10 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD never changes Jim, Haven't you been learned - Never include "lot" and "weight" when talking about a lady. Especially if you are within reasonably easy travelling distance! (or may be within handbagging, or brickbatting reach anytime in the future.) JimB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Lawrence" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 4:28 AM Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD never changes Hi Kathryn: Noted...being as a preeminent member any suggestion you make will hold a lot of weight. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn Bassett Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 7:56 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD never changes Jim said: > Personally I think you should just throw everything in one list (except for > OT) at this point and let people filter out what they want with their e-mail > client. Either that or convert to a forum with a few sub boards so it's more in > everyone's face that there are conversations going on in other areas. I hate forums. I want things that will come TO me in email rather than my having to remember to GO to the web to look at a forum. -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Thu Feb 21 10:24:09 2013 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 16:24:09 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C4D90D82D@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C4D90DC1C@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Hi Jim My son is now at college Knowledge Management with Business. Latest book. Been talking with the publisher about MS Dynamics CRM 2011 but still at an early stage. More an ego trip again as opposed to a business you could live on. Martin -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 21 February 2013 16:19 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD never changes Hi Martin: Can't spell?...your profession but be either that of a Doctor or a programmer...it comes with the territory. Never leave home without that spell checker. ;-) So what is your latest book? Have any of your kids followed you into this noble profession? Oh, yes I have to either ask or present an Access question... Is there any versions of Access that I can not run on Linux because they all seem to do so but I just have not testing all of them extensively? Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 12:22 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes For whats it worth my own personal thinking on the list. I hope Access D never changes. Without it I would not be doing what I do now. I no longer work with Access but what I learnt here and especially the people I met here give me the skills and knowledge to push ahead. I have done things in the many years I have been a member and been places I never thought I would see and most of it is based around the foundation and the people of this group. Has Access died, certainly for me other than a reporting tool for SharePoint. Is MS focus of the desktop, based on my knowledge and meetings here with them I would say the web is everything now. Is AccessD dead, I don't think the spirit of AccessD will ever be. AccessD to me is the people here. Not the posts or the perceived lack of quality of the post, it's the friends I have made, the people I met and the help and experience I have received. Today I am heading up Business Services at Queens University one of the top Universitirs in the UK, I have written several books, I have learnt about life, programming and other things on AccessD from those involved. I have made lifelong friends here. AccessD and the people involved is something that has touched and in many cases changed lives, I know because it changed mine. Still cant spell worth S%^t but who cares!! Martin -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Feb 21 10:25:23 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 08:25:23 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Tony's comments In-Reply-To: <5126263F.9040601@gmail.com> References: <815D9D2992A04E92AAD2CBFF4ACFA44A@XPS><26B901E02621421E80D12F9816AB2347@creativesystemdesigns.com><6CC386AF599C41BBA353EFE2964AA945@jamesc319792ae><1506ACF389EB470D894E1A58D0157428@XPS> <5126263F.9040601@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi John: Isn't that why Microsoft made Excel?...for power-users? Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 5:51 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tony's comments LOL, and yet... what power user understands normalization? VBA? Object models? ADO vs DAO? etc ad nasium. John W. Colby? Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/21/2013 7:42 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: > You need to be fair here; Microsoft has never said Access is a developers > tool nor marketed it as such. > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 06:26 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tony's comments > > But Access was too good of a tool. MS has been wanting to kill it for years. > Actually more like dumb it down, make it a power user tool rather than a > developer tool. > > MS would rather have developers using Visual Studio. > > D > > On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 3:16 PM, James Button > wrote: > > <> > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kismert at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 10:53:28 2013 From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 10:53:28 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes Message-ID: Change is inevitable. Right now, entropy is winning, and AccessD is slowly fading into background noise. This is a group using antique technology to serve antique people. Seriously, is anyone here under 40? I bet very few. Anyone under 30? I'd be shocked if we had more than a token number. Nothing I have read in this current conversation indicates that anything has changed for the positive. As far as I can tell: * We are still in the long tail of decline, both in overall postings and on-topic postings. * The number of active participants is slowly declining Of course, I am ready to be proven wrong. The people running AccessD can release numbers showing whether we are trending up or down. That hasn't happened yet, and probably for good reason. The facts are depressing. -Ken From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Feb 21 10:54:37 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 08:54:37 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Tony's comments In-Reply-To: <51263EFC.7030102@gmail.com> References: <815D9D2992A04E92AAD2CBFF4ACFA44A@XPS><26B901E02621421E80D12F9816AB2347@creativesystemdesigns.com><6CC386AF599C41BBA353EFE2964AA945@jamesc319792ae><1506ACF389EB470D894E1A58D0157428@XPS> <5126263F.9040601@gmail.com> <51263EFC.7030102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <82AE6FEA9D834B5B914A105ABFC89243@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Guys: I think that the programmers and developers in Microsoft love all this stuff and would have tricked any package out as far as they could. Unfortunately, MS also has management (accountants) and sale staff and they are under some delusion that there are more consumers than developers. ;-) Unfortunately, Microsoft failed to understand that their developers were the best sales force they ever had and their new sales figures reflect this. Yeah, you are going to say they threw us a Visual Studio bone but again they never listened to any of their developers... In the meantime, the desktop shriveled while the web flowered and their new sales figures reflect this. But someone at Microsoft understood all this and they moved their core package, Microsoft Office off to the web...and this is just the start. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 7:36 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tony's comments Yea, yea, yea. I understand the point but in fact they want it both ways. They add all this stuff that only developers have a clue about (references are a good example) and yet beat around the bush about it being for the developers. John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/21/2013 10:31 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: > Some, but the majority do not. > > But it doesn't change the fact that Access has always been part of Office > and never marketed as a developer tool by Microsoft. > > It's never been listed by them as being part of any development technology > and it's never been referred to as a developer tool. > > Their focus has always been taking a complex task and making it easier for > the end user. MVF's, attachment data type, PDF snap-in, etc are examples of > those. For the most part, they've never really focused on what developers > needed. If they had, we would not still be living with reference issues, > would have more 3rd party controls available to us, more control of the > screen and application object, a better installer, improvements in the JET > engine, etc. > > Microsoft has continually taken what developers stretched Access to do, > looked at that, and then simplified those tasks for the end user. And now > more then ever, anything that can't be simplified is being stripped out > (Replication, ADP's, and Workgroup Security). > > Since A2007, it has been more about the end user then ever before because > now, things like VS, SQL Server, and Light Switch can occupy a space that > Access once had a lock on. > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 08:51 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tony's comments > > LOL, and yet... what power user understands normalization? VBA? Object > models? ADO vs DAO? etc ad > nasium. > > John W. Colby? > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 2/21/2013 7:42 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: >> You need to be fair here; Microsoft has never said Access is a > developers >> tool nor marketed it as such. >> >> Jim. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee >> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 06:26 PM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tony's comments >> >> But Access was too good of a tool. MS has been wanting to kill it for > years. > <> > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Feb 21 11:19:48 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 09:19:48 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C4D90DC1C@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C4D90D82D@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C4D90DC1C@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: <48667F2A4A544EB6819B3530DDD8FCFF@creativesystemdesigns.com> Glad to hear your son is getting into the management end of things and away the grunts. ;-) So where are your eBook versions... It seems that an eBook version can be just as successful with little of the overhead associated with publishing. Isn't Amazon starting to feature such editions and I must admit I like books that have lots of pictures and animations (as well as information). ;-) We have been selling our own or more precisely my wife's book (I just did the grunt work of assembling the book and she provided the content and editing) and though the book will never make anyone rich, we have broken even and will sell out. Only made a 1000 copies. http://mirandalawrence.com/indexbook.html I look forward to hearing more about your new book when it gets closer to being published. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 8:24 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD never changes Hi Jim My son is now at college Knowledge Management with Business. Latest book. Been talking with the publisher about MS Dynamics CRM 2011 but still at an early stage. More an ego trip again as opposed to a business you could live on. Martin -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 21 February 2013 16:19 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD never changes Hi Martin: Can't spell?...your profession but be either that of a Doctor or a programmer...it comes with the territory. Never leave home without that spell checker. ;-) So what is your latest book? Have any of your kids followed you into this noble profession? Oh, yes I have to either ask or present an Access question... Is there any versions of Access that I can not run on Linux because they all seem to do so but I just have not testing all of them extensively? Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 12:22 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes For whats it worth my own personal thinking on the list. I hope Access D never changes. Without it I would not be doing what I do now. I no longer work with Access but what I learnt here and especially the people I met here give me the skills and knowledge to push ahead. I have done things in the many years I have been a member and been places I never thought I would see and most of it is based around the foundation and the people of this group. Has Access died, certainly for me other than a reporting tool for SharePoint. Is MS focus of the desktop, based on my knowledge and meetings here with them I would say the web is everything now. Is AccessD dead, I don't think the spirit of AccessD will ever be. AccessD to me is the people here. Not the posts or the perceived lack of quality of the post, it's the friends I have made, the people I met and the help and experience I have received. Today I am heading up Business Services at Queens University one of the top Universitirs in the UK, I have written several books, I have learnt about life, programming and other things on AccessD from those involved. I have made lifelong friends here. AccessD and the people involved is something that has touched and in many cases changed lives, I know because it changed mine. Still cant spell worth S%^t but who cares!! Martin -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Feb 21 11:27:00 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 09:27:00 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We just need to keep changing the list with the technological times and keep adding lists to cater to the new stuff. So years from now when people want to know why AccessD is called that when there's nothing Access about it, the old codgers can tell them how the thing started before the internets and Access was the best. Old programmers never die. They just decompile. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 8:53 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD never changes Change is inevitable. Right now, entropy is winning, and AccessD is slowly fading into background noise. This is a group using antique technology to serve antique people. Seriously, is anyone here under 40? I bet very few. Anyone under 30? I'd be shocked if we had more than a token number. Nothing I have read in this current conversation indicates that anything has changed for the positive. As far as I can tell: * We are still in the long tail of decline, both in overall postings and on-topic postings. * The number of active participants is slowly declining Of course, I am ready to be proven wrong. The people running AccessD can release numbers showing whether we are trending up or down. That hasn't happened yet, and probably for good reason. The facts are depressing. -Ken -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Feb 21 11:30:44 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 09:30:44 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01EACD970DAF41EA8DD7F7942FD51D66@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Kenneth: Hardly depressing...that's life. There is more application development than ever...it just doesn't happen to be on the desktop. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 8:53 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD never changes Change is inevitable. Right now, entropy is winning, and AccessD is slowly fading into background noise. This is a group using antique technology to serve antique people. Seriously, is anyone here under 40? I bet very few. Anyone under 30? I'd be shocked if we had more than a token number. Nothing I have read in this current conversation indicates that anything has changed for the positive. As far as I can tell: * We are still in the long tail of decline, both in overall postings and on-topic postings. * The number of active participants is slowly declining Of course, I am ready to be proven wrong. The people running AccessD can release numbers showing whether we are trending up or down. That hasn't happened yet, and probably for good reason. The facts are depressing. -Ken -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 12:01:56 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 10:01:56 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >> Old programmers never die. They just decompile. ROTFL! I'm decompiling more rapidly as I get older and older and older .... Charlotte On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > We just need to keep changing the list with the technological times and > keep > adding lists to cater to the new stuff. > > So years from now when people want to know why AccessD is called that when > there's nothing Access about it, the old codgers can tell them how the > thing > started before the internets and Access was the best. > > Old programmers never die. They just decompile. > > R > > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 12:15:34 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 10:15:34 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: References: <0CCB561E0B71472DBA46D7FBF0E8B398@XPS> <51250BD7.3040008@gmail.com> <54D55DC9565C408CB29E6BE0A2261EA2@XPS> Message-ID: Jim, This is true, but they require proportionately more administration than a list. Moving servers and dodging web bots and spammers takes constant attention. Even with the tools available, it still has to be watched. It can be self-policed by moderators, but when something gets sideways, it requires a lot more fixing. Charlotte On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: > < my > having to remember to GO to the web to look at a forum.>> > > Every forum I belong to has e-mail notifications and you can choose to > have it e-mail you once a new post is seen and then not again, or for every > new post. > > You can also have it notify you if a new topic is posted either > immediately, or in digest format (hourly, daily, weekly). > > In both cases, enough of the post/topic text is included (if not all) so > that you can decide if you want to click on the link or not. > > Really, forums give you far more manageability then what we currently > have > with the list. > > Jim. > > From dw-murphy at cox.net Thu Feb 21 12:23:50 2013 From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 10:23:50 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00ab01ce1060$988d3960$c9a7ac20$@cox.net> As A mostly lurker, question asker and sometime question answerer I'll chime in on this discussion. I learned about this list from Rocky, a fellow Access User Group of San Diego member. When I first signed up many years ago there was lots of interchange and debate on some really interesting questions. I learned a lot. Being a lone developer, aside from our user group I don't get to discuss Access as a development environment with too many people. This was great. As has been pointed out the list seems to have lost the Q/A, technical interchange focus. Also the format is antiquated. I have been spending more time on the LinkedIn Professional Microsoft Access Developers' Network (PMADN) group. The format is great as it is organized by discussion so if you're not interested you don't need to look. As can be seem from this group, PMADN, there is still quite a bit of technical interchange on Access and development. It is possible that the technical discussion has moved on to forums like PMADN, UtterAccess , or StackOverFlow where personality and community aren't the focus but technical discussion and question answer is. New Access folks are looking for information, not who we are or what we used to do. My thoughts. Doug -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 8:53 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD never changes Change is inevitable. Right now, entropy is winning, and AccessD is slowly fading into background noise. This is a group using antique technology to serve antique people. Seriously, is anyone here under 40? I bet very few. Anyone under 30? I'd be shocked if we had more than a token number. Nothing I have read in this current conversation indicates that anything has changed for the positive. As far as I can tell: * We are still in the long tail of decline, both in overall postings and on-topic postings. * The number of active participants is slowly declining Of course, I am ready to be proven wrong. The people running AccessD can release numbers showing whether we are trending up or down. That hasn't happened yet, and probably for good reason. The facts are depressing. -Ken -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 12:25:41 2013 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 10:25:41 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] A2010: Show Properties sheet in formview In-Reply-To: <00b101ce1048$92e03520$b8a09f60$@cactus.dk> References: <00b101ce1048$92e03520$b8a09f60$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: In 2007/2010 there is a new view (in addition to Form View and design view) called Layout view. Switching to that will look like form view but will allow you to select a control and use the arrow keys to move it around. It also displays the property sheet. The property sheet is no longer viewable in form view. :( David On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi David and David > > OK, I can see in A2000 that it is the property AllowDesignChanges that must > be True. > > That exists in A2010 as well, it is True, and the icon is visible on the > Ribbon. > However, clicking it doesn't do anything when the form is in FormView. > Wonder why not. > > /gustav > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 12:34:25 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 10:34:25 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] A2010: Show Properties sheet in formview In-Reply-To: References: <00b101ce1048$92e03520$b8a09f60$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: Frankly, I never understood why it was available in form view in the first place, and if it popped up for a user it caused trouble. The new layout view is much more useful anyhow. Charlotte On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 10:25 AM, David McAfee wrote: > In 2007/2010 there is a new view (in addition to Form View and design view) > called Layout view. > > Switching to that will look like form view but will allow you to select a > control and use the arrow keys to move it around. > > It also displays the property sheet. > > The property sheet is no longer viewable in form view. :( > > David > > On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > Hi David and David > > > > OK, I can see in A2000 that it is the property AllowDesignChanges that > must > > be True. > > > > That exists in A2010 as well, it is True, and the icon is visible on the > > Ribbon. > > However, clicking it doesn't do anything when the form is in FormView. > > Wonder why not. > > > > /gustav > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From davidmcafee at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 12:42:57 2013 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 10:42:57 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] A2010: Show Properties sheet in formview In-Reply-To: References: <00b101ce1048$92e03520$b8a09f60$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: I've heard that from other developers, but I prefered having it. I'd just turn off the ability to show it at runtime so the users wouldn't get it. It sucks not having it in ADPs since 2007, which don't support layout view either. Oh well, they're going away anyway as I will be from Access. D On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > Frankly, I never understood why it was available in form view in the first > place, and if it popped up for a user it caused trouble. The new layout > view is much more useful anyhow. > > Charlotte > From jackandpat.d at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 12:44:15 2013 From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:44:15 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: References: <0CCB561E0B71472DBA46D7FBF0E8B398@XPS> <51250BD7.3040008@gmail.com> <54D55DC9565C408CB29E6BE0A2261EA2@XPS> Message-ID: And many of the forums from my view seem to have a large percentage of new users. Usually students doing assignments, or the self learning group that has never heard of normalization, relationships... They all seem to Acc2010 or 2013, and most have installed the 64 bit version, and have the latest hardware. Their big issue is how to update a "cell", or how to write SQL. Most have never heard of a data model (or ERD). These users seem to feel that- now that they have the Access software, the databases will just get generated.???? no concepts, no plans,... Seems they are still teaching using Access n some schools, but none of the database/relational theory. Many have never heard of Normalization. I had one (British hair salon owner trying to deal with appointments, staff availability and products) who accused me of "hijacking" his thread because I asked what his core business was and could he post a jpg of his tables and relationships etc.. I asked about his core business and asked if he should be running the salon/cutting hair etc, and should he be building the database or hire a contractor. He also said he didn't know what a data model was and certainly had no need of one now and my questions weren't helping him He needed to know how to write a query to add totals into one of his tables.. I think AccessD, and I have been a long time lurker/learner with few posts, is far beyond these basics. When a discussion or issue is raised, it is usually meaningful, thought out and relevant. Perhaps we have mostly beaten the variety of syntax issues, and 99 ways to skin the cat, and there are no longer the numerous, more mundane issues for resolution. I'm not sure what exactly would revamp/reface/re-energize AccessD. I like John's blog. Perhaps the Ruby on Rails or other topics as has been suggested. However, I feel that may not get a broad take up. I'm retired; have been for 5 years, my Access is typically helping people on the forums. As has been pointed out, many here are 40+ (maybe 50+), with diverse jobs. And some have been forced to look for new opportunities to use their skills.I don't see a lot of people jumping to Acc2013 or Sharepoint, and I personally have no real interest there. Any way, just a little rambling to feed the pot. jack On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > Jim, > > This is true, but they require proportionately more administration than a > list. Moving servers and dodging web bots and spammers takes constant > attention. Even with the tools available, it still has to be watched. It > can be self-policed by moderators, but when something gets sideways, it > requires a lot more fixing. > > Charlotte > > On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Jim Dettman > wrote: > > > < > my > > having to remember to GO to the web to look at a forum.>> > > > > Every forum I belong to has e-mail notifications and you can choose to > > have it e-mail you once a new post is seen and then not again, or for > every > > new post. > > > > You can also have it notify you if a new topic is posted either > > immediately, or in digest format (hourly, daily, weekly). > > > > In both cases, enough of the post/topic text is included (if not all) > so > > that you can decide if you want to click on the link or not. > > > > Really, forums give you far more manageability then what we currently > > have > > with the list. > > > > Jim. > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From garykjos at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 12:59:23 2013 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 12:59:23 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: <00ab01ce1060$988d3960$c9a7ac20$@cox.net> References: <00ab01ce1060$988d3960$c9a7ac20$@cox.net> Message-ID: Hi Doug, I appreciate your input. I have one comment to your comment on having things "Organized by Discussion". This can maybe be met by using a different email client. For example I use gmail for list mail and it organizes everything for me by thread, essentially by subject. Threads show up as a single line on the main mail list. If I'm interested I can open the thread and see all the messages in that thread. For subjects I don't care about, I don't open the thread.I'm not saying gmail is the be all email for everyone but it works fabulously for list mail. I would guess that other email clients could probably do a similar thing with an option selection. GK On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Doug Murphy wrote: > As A mostly lurker, question asker and sometime question answerer I'll chime > in on this discussion. I learned about this list from Rocky, a fellow Access > User Group of San Diego member. When I first signed up many years ago there > was lots of interchange and debate on some really interesting questions. I > learned a lot. Being a lone developer, aside from our user group I don't get > to discuss Access as a development environment with too many people. This > was great. > > As has been pointed out the list seems to have lost the Q/A, technical > interchange focus. Also the format is antiquated. I have been spending more > time on the LinkedIn Professional Microsoft Access Developers' Network > (PMADN) group. The format is great as it is organized by discussion so if > you're not interested you don't need to look. As can be seem from this > group, PMADN, there is still quite a bit of technical interchange on Access > and development. > > It is possible that the technical discussion has moved on to forums like > PMADN, UtterAccess , or StackOverFlow where personality and community > aren't the focus but technical discussion and question answer is. New Access > folks are looking for information, not who we are or what we used to do. > > My thoughts. > > Doug > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 8:53 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD never changes > > Change is inevitable. Right now, entropy is winning, and AccessD is slowly > fading into background noise. > > This is a group using antique technology to serve antique people. > Seriously, is anyone here under 40? I bet very few. Anyone under 30? I'd be > shocked if we had more than a token number. > > Nothing I have read in this current conversation indicates that anything has > changed for the positive. As far as I can tell: > > * We are still in the long tail of decline, both in overall postings and > on-topic postings. > * The number of active participants is slowly declining > > Of course, I am ready to be proven wrong. The people running AccessD can > release numbers showing whether we are trending up or down. > > That hasn't happened yet, and probably for good reason. > > The facts are depressing. > > -Ken > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 13:12:50 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 11:12:50 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: References: <0CCB561E0B71472DBA46D7FBF0E8B398@XPS> <51250BD7.3040008@gmail.com> <54D55DC9565C408CB29E6BE0A2261EA2@XPS> Message-ID: Oh, yeah, Jack. In Eileen's Lounge (and earlier in Woody's Lounge), we get waves of students signing up and posting requests to do their homework for them. Charlotte On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 10:44 AM, jack drawbridge wrote: > And many of the forums from my view seem to have a large percentage of new > users. Usually students doing assignments, or the self learning group that > has never heard of normalization, relationships... They all seem to > Acc2010 or 2013, and most have installed the 64 bit version, and have the > latest hardware. Their big issue is how to update a "cell", or how to write > SQL. Most have never heard of a data model (or ERD). These users seem to > feel that- now that they have the Access software, the databases will just > get generated.???? no concepts, no plans,... > From jackandpat.d at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 13:18:24 2013 From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 14:18:24 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: References: <0CCB561E0B71472DBA46D7FBF0E8B398@XPS> <51250BD7.3040008@gmail.com> <54D55DC9565C408CB29E6BE0A2261EA2@XPS> Message-ID: Yes I was watching Woody Leonard too. On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > Oh, yeah, Jack. > > In Eileen's Lounge (and earlier in Woody's Lounge), we get waves of > students signing up and posting requests to do their homework for them. > > Charlotte > > On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 10:44 AM, jack drawbridge >wrote: > > > And many of the forums from my view seem to have a large percentage of > new > > users. Usually students doing assignments, or the self learning group > that > > has never heard of normalization, relationships... They all seem to > > Acc2010 or 2013, and most have installed the 64 bit version, and have the > > latest hardware. Their big issue is how to update a "cell", or how to > write > > SQL. Most have never heard of a data model (or ERD). These users seem to > > feel that- now that they have the Access software, the databases will > just > > get generated.???? no concepts, no plans,... > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From davidmcafee at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 13:23:27 2013 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 11:23:27 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Every other Friday Message-ID: Okay, I have a question for the Access community :) If every other Friday (starting Feb 22nd 2013) is a Furlough Friday (office is closed), is there a way to determine if a given date such as August 16th 2013 is available for a meeting? I'm thinking something to do with Mod 14 maybe? SQL or VBA answers are fine. Thanks in advance. David McAfee From garykjos at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 13:31:33 2013 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:31:33 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Every other Friday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In the data warehousing world we use a DATE TABLE for that kind of stuff. I fought the concept at first but have since drank the Kool Aid and seen the light. GK On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 1:23 PM, David McAfee wrote: > Okay, I have a question for the Access community :) > > > If every other Friday (starting Feb 22nd 2013) is a Furlough Friday (office > is closed), is there a way to determine if a given date such as August 16th > 2013 is available for a meeting? > > I'm thinking something to do with Mod 14 maybe? > > SQL or VBA answers are fine. > > Thanks in advance. > > David McAfee > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Feb 21 13:41:04 2013 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 19:41:04 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Every other Friday References: Message-ID: <444D212219FC45708FFDDC28DDCB4AD8@jamesc319792ae> (Excel solution) date - being stored as days from 1st Jan 1900 means that day 1 was a Sunday so mod(today(),14) will give 0 and 7 for Saturdays add 1 - as in mod(Theday+1,14) and you get the 0 and 7 for Fridays now 22nd Feb 2013 wants the 1 added to get the MOD to return 0 How you get the date to be checked, and use the result is up to you JimB ----- Original Message ----- From: "David McAfee" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 7:23 PM Subject: [AccessD] Every other Friday > Okay, I have a question for the Access community :) > > > If every other Friday (starting Feb 22nd 2013) is a Furlough Friday > (office > is closed), is there a way to determine if a given date such as August > 16th > 2013 is available for a meeting? > > I'm thinking something to do with Mod 14 maybe? > > SQL or VBA answers are fine. > > Thanks in advance. > > David McAfee > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Feb 21 13:44:00 2013 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 19:44:00 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Every other Friday References: Message-ID: <70F94058BC174C118137BDF0C852DF4A@jamesc319792ae> Note - my earlier answer does not take account of Good Friday - Xmas, and other holidays Holidays mentioned are presuming that the calendar to be used is a 'Christian' one! JimB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Kjos" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Every other Friday > In the data warehousing world we use a DATE TABLE for that kind of > stuff. I fought the concept at first but have since drank the Kool > Aid and seen the light. > > GK > > On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 1:23 PM, David McAfee > wrote: >> Okay, I have a question for the Access community :) >> >> >> If every other Friday (starting Feb 22nd 2013) is a Furlough Friday >> (office >> is closed), is there a way to determine if a given date such as August >> 16th >> 2013 is available for a meeting? >> >> I'm thinking something to do with Mod 14 maybe? >> >> SQL or VBA answers are fine. >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> David McAfee >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 13:44:37 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 11:44:37 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Remove follow up item In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Did I miss part of the question? What email client are you using? Charlotte On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > > Dear List: > > Does anyone know how to remove an item from the follow up folder without > deleting it from the follow up folder which also deletes the email from its > original location? > > MTIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 13:46:59 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 11:46:59 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Every other Friday In-Reply-To: <444D212219FC45708FFDDC28DDCB4AD8@jamesc319792ae> References: <444D212219FC45708FFDDC28DDCB4AD8@jamesc319792ae> Message-ID: Just remember that Access and Excel have different starting dates in their engines ... unless MS sneaked one in on me in the latest version. Charlotte On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 11:41 AM, James Button wrote: > (Excel solution) > date - being stored as days from 1st Jan 1900 means that day 1 was a Sunday > so mod(today(),14) will give 0 and 7 for Saturdays > add 1 - as in mod(Theday+1,14) and you get the 0 and 7 for Fridays > now 22nd Feb 2013 wants the 1 added to get the MOD to return 0 > > How you get the date to be checked, and use the result is up to you > > JimB > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David McAfee" > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 7:23 PM > Subject: [AccessD] Every other Friday > > > Okay, I have a question for the Access community :) >> >> >> If every other Friday (starting Feb 22nd 2013) is a Furlough Friday >> (office >> is closed), is there a way to determine if a given date such as August >> 16th >> 2013 is available for a meeting? >> >> I'm thinking something to do with Mod 14 maybe? >> >> SQL or VBA answers are fine. >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> David McAfee >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From df.waters at comcast.net Thu Feb 21 13:56:28 2013 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:56:28 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Every other Friday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <007001ce106d$89c28770$9d479650$@comcast.net> Hi David, You might create a formula of some kind using Julian dates. With these dates the days of the year are numbered 1 - 365 (or 1 - 366). Luckily, each week is 7 days, so some math might do the trick. I copied this function from an Access forum: Function CDate2Julian(MyDate As Date) As String CDate2Julian = Format(MyDate - DateSerial(Year(MyDate) - 1, 12, 31), "000") End Function Good Luck! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 1:23 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Every other Friday Okay, I have a question for the Access community :) If every other Friday (starting Feb 22nd 2013) is a Furlough Friday (office is closed), is there a way to determine if a given date such as August 16th 2013 is available for a meeting? I'm thinking something to do with Mod 14 maybe? SQL or VBA answers are fine. Thanks in advance. David McAfee -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 15:26:15 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 16:26:15 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: References: <0CCB561E0B71472DBA46D7FBF0E8B398@XPS> <51250BD7.3040008@gmail.com> <54D55DC9565C408CB29E6BE0A2261EA2@XPS> Message-ID: <512690F7.80202@gmail.com> You know we used to get these as well back when we were the only game in town. To be honest I don't miss them. And I certainly don't go seeking them out in other forums. John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/21/2013 2:12 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > Oh, yeah, Jack. > > In Eileen's Lounge (and earlier in Woody's Lounge), we get waves of > students signing up and posting requests to do their homework for them. > > Charlotte > > On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 10:44 AM, jack drawbridge wrote: > >> And many of the forums from my view seem to have a large percentage of new >> users. Usually students doing assignments, or the self learning group that >> has never heard of normalization, relationships... They all seem to >> Acc2010 or 2013, and most have installed the 64 bit version, and have the >> latest hardware. Their big issue is how to update a "cell", or how to write >> SQL. Most have never heard of a data model (or ERD). These users seem to >> feel that- now that they have the Access software, the databases will just >> get generated.???? no concepts, no plans,... >> From jwcolby at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 15:28:38 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 16:28:38 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Every other Friday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51269186.9020602@gmail.com> I was thinking just the other day what damage was done to the Koolaid brand by jimmy. John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/21/2013 2:31 PM, Gary Kjos wrote: > In the data warehousing world we use a DATE TABLE for that kind of > stuff. I fought the concept at first but have since drank the Kool > Aid and seen the light. > > GK > > On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 1:23 PM, David McAfee wrote: >> Okay, I have a question for the Access community :) >> >> >> If every other Friday (starting Feb 22nd 2013) is a Furlough Friday (office >> is closed), is there a way to determine if a given date such as August 16th >> 2013 is available for a meeting? >> >> I'm thinking something to do with Mod 14 maybe? >> >> SQL or VBA answers are fine. >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> David McAfee >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From davidmcafee at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 15:30:14 2013 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:30:14 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Every other Friday In-Reply-To: <007001ce106d$89c28770$9d479650$@comcast.net> References: <007001ce106d$89c28770$9d479650$@comcast.net> Message-ID: I guess this works: IF datediff("d",StartDate, DateInQuestion) Mod 14 = 0 THen True ? datediff("d",#2/22/13#, #8/16/13#) Mod 14 7 So it's a Friday, but not a Furlough Friday. I agree with Gary in setting up a table, but I was trying to come up with a quick and dirty answer. Thanks, David On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Dan Waters wrote: > Hi David, > > You might create a formula of some kind using Julian dates. With these > dates the days of the year are numbered 1 - 365 (or 1 - 366). Luckily, > each > week is 7 days, so some math might do the trick. > > I copied this function from an Access forum: > > Function CDate2Julian(MyDate As Date) As String > CDate2Julian = Format(MyDate - DateSerial(Year(MyDate) - 1, 12, 31), > "000") > End Function > > Good Luck! > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 1:23 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Every other Friday > > Okay, I have a question for the Access community :) > > > If every other Friday (starting Feb 22nd 2013) is a Furlough Friday (office > is closed), is there a way to determine if a given date such as August 16th > 2013 is available for a meeting? > > I'm thinking something to do with Mod 14 maybe? > > SQL or VBA answers are fine. > > Thanks in advance. > > David McAfee > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Feb 21 15:32:14 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 07:32:14 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: <51259B80.30407@gmail.com> References: <0CCB561E0B71472DBA46D7FBF0E8B398@XPS>, , <51259B80.30407@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5126925E.3314.475B5631@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Me three On 20 Feb 2013 at 22:58, John W Colby wrote: > >I hate forums. I want things that will come TO me in email rather than my having to remember to GO > to the web to look at a forum. > Me too. > > John W. Colby > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 2/20/2013 10:56 PM, Kathryn Bassett wrote: > > I hate forums. I want things that will come TO me in email rather than my having to remember to GO > > to the web to look at a forum. -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" > > "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Feb 21 16:15:54 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 08:15:54 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Every other Friday In-Reply-To: <007001ce106d$89c28770$9d479650$@comcast.net> References: , <007001ce106d$89c28770$9d479650$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <51269C9A.697.478351A0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Thbat doesn't return a Julian Date. It returns the day of the year. Since yeasr start on different days of the week, that is no real help. Julian Date is the number of days since noon on 1 Jan 4173 BCE. (Currently 2456345) so you could use that, but it is simpler to use the Access built in Date Type which stores the date as the number of days since 30 Dec 1899 I'm assuming that the original question was along the lines of: A day is suitable for a meeting if it falls on Monday to Thursday or a non-furlough Friday. For the reference Furlough Friday: Datevalue("22 feb 2012") mod 14 = 11 Therefore suitable days are MOD 0 - 4 (Mon-Fri of Week 1) and 7 - 10 (Mon - Thur of week 2). Hence: Function AvailableForMeeting(myDate As Date) As Boolean Select Case myDate Mod 14 Case 0 To 4, 7 To 10 AvailableForMeeting = True Case Else AvailableForMeeting = False End Select End Function On 21 Feb 2013 at 13:56, Dan Waters wrote: > Hi David, > > You might create a formula of some kind using Julian dates. With these > dates the days of the year are numbered 1 - 365 (or 1 - 366). Luckily, each > week is 7 days, so some math might do the trick. > > I copied this function from an Access forum: > > Function CDate2Julian(MyDate As Date) As String > CDate2Julian = Format(MyDate - DateSerial(Year(MyDate) - 1, 12, 31), > "000") > End Function > > Good Luck! > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 1:23 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Every other Friday > > Okay, I have a question for the Access community :) > > > If every other Friday (starting Feb 22nd 2013) is a Furlough Friday (office > is closed), is there a way to determine if a given date such as August 16th > 2013 is available for a meeting? > > I'm thinking something to do with Mod 14 maybe? > > SQL or VBA answers are fine. > > Thanks in advance. > > David McAfee > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From kismert at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 17:24:03 2013 From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 17:24:03 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes Message-ID: > > Jim Lawrence: > > Hardly depressing...that's life. > Jim, You miss the point. What is depressing is that we claim to fill a niche, namely advice and support for Access. And it seems, from this discussion, that we do a worse job of filling that niche than nearly anybody else. Can anybody name even one aspect of our group that is leading the pack? Number of posts, topicality, new members, search engine visibility? I dare say not one. I would even say we are not even in the middle of the pack for any measure you would care to name. The strongest point we have, expertise, is surely eclipsed by any of the much more lively groups mentioned in this discussion. And what is the point of expertise, if there is audience to benefit from it? Whine and moan all you want about the state of Access, but there are two undeniable points: 1. There is still a viable niche for Access support 2. We are doing a crap-ass job of filling that niche -Ken From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Fri Feb 22 00:45:44 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 22:45:44 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ken, Why should we be leading a pack? The group was organized IIRC as an Access Developer's group. Access-L was for general Access learning and use, but AccessD was all about development. We weren't trying to rack up points on anyone's scorecard, It provided a forum for like-minded developers to share questions, issues, problems and discoveries with other developers who might be interested or be able to use the information. I don't remember it ever being an "all your Access questions answered" kind of list. The idea was that you wanted to seriously push the limits of Access, and we pretty much did that. The purpose of expertise is to put it to use. You can get answers on Google, but it isn't the same as expertise. Charlotte On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Kenneth Ismert wrote: > > > > Jim Lawrence: > > > > Hardly depressing...that's life. > > > > Jim, > > You miss the point. What is depressing is that we claim to fill a niche, > namely advice and support for Access. > > And it seems, from this discussion, that we do a worse job of filling that > niche than nearly anybody else. > > Can anybody name even one aspect of our group that is leading the pack? > Number of posts, topicality, new members, search engine visibility? I dare > say not one. > > I would even say we are not even in the middle of the pack for any measure > you would care to name. The strongest point we have, expertise, is surely > eclipsed by any of the much more lively groups mentioned in this > discussion. > > And what is the point of expertise, if there is audience to benefit from > it? > > Whine and moan all you want about the state of Access, but there are two > undeniable points: > > 1. There is still a viable niche for Access support > 2. We are doing a crap-ass job of filling that niche > > -Ken > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From vbacreations at gmail.com Fri Feb 22 00:56:16 2013 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 01:56:16 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Every other Friday In-Reply-To: <51269C9A.697.478351A0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <007001ce106d$89c28770$9d479650$@comcast.net> <51269C9A.697.478351A0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: I am suspicious of any solution which does not allow a week in which "the" Friday is skipped and the recurring engagement pushed to every other Friday beginning after a skipped week. That is how my wife's piano lessons go. Every other Friday then she thinks of something she would rather do on one of her engaged weeks, and it all time shifts one week to the right. B -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 5:16 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Every other Friday Thbat doesn't return a Julian Date. It returns the day of the year. Since yeasr start on different days of the week, that is no real help. Julian Date is the number of days since noon on 1 Jan 4173 BCE. (Currently 2456345) so you could use that, but it is simpler to use the Access built in Date Type which stores the date as the number of days since 30 Dec 1899 I'm assuming that the original question was along the lines of: A day is suitable for a meeting if it falls on Monday to Thursday or a non-furlough Friday. For the reference Furlough Friday: Datevalue("22 feb 2012") mod 14 = 11 Therefore suitable days are MOD 0 - 4 (Mon-Fri of Week 1) and 7 - 10 (Mon - Thur of week 2). Hence: Function AvailableForMeeting(myDate As Date) As Boolean Select Case myDate Mod 14 Case 0 To 4, 7 To 10 AvailableForMeeting = True Case Else AvailableForMeeting = False End Select End Function On 21 Feb 2013 at 13:56, Dan Waters wrote: > Hi David, > > You might create a formula of some kind using Julian dates. With > these dates the days of the year are numbered 1 - 365 (or 1 - 366). > Luckily, each week is 7 days, so some math might do the trick. > > I copied this function from an Access forum: > > Function CDate2Julian(MyDate As Date) As String > CDate2Julian = Format(MyDate - DateSerial(Year(MyDate) - 1, 12, > 31), > "000") > End Function > > Good Luck! > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David > McAfee > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 1:23 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Every other Friday > > Okay, I have a question for the Access community :) > > > If every other Friday (starting Feb 22nd 2013) is a Furlough Friday > (office is closed), is there a way to determine if a given date such > as August 16th > 2013 is available for a meeting? > > I'm thinking something to do with Mod 14 maybe? > > SQL or VBA answers are fine. > > Thanks in advance. > > David McAfee > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Feb 22 01:19:59 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 17:19:59 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Every other Friday In-Reply-To: References: , <51269C9A.697.478351A0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, Message-ID: <51271C1F.20193.49756E00@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> OK then if you want to change the stipulated use case, how about something like: Function AvailableForMeeting(myDate As Date,Optional OppositeWeek as Booelan = False) As Boolean If Oppositeweek then Select Case myDate Mod 14 Case 0 To 3, 7 To 11 AvailableForMeeting = True Case Else AvailableForMeeting = False End Select Else Select Case myDate Mod 14 Case 0 To 4, 7 To 10 AvailableForMeeting = True Case Else AvailableForMeeting = False End Select End if End Function Of course, the preferred solution is still a date table which lets you block out Good Friday etc and a function which would reset all future "Friday Offs" to the opposite week. But that wasn't what was asked for. On 22 Feb 2013 at 1:56, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote: > I am suspicious of any solution which does not allow a week in which "the" > Friday is skipped and the recurring engagement pushed to every other Friday > beginning after a skipped week. That is how my wife's piano lessons go. > Every other Friday then she thinks of something she would rather do on one > of her engaged weeks, and it all time shifts one week to the right. > B > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 5:16 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Every other Friday > > Thbat doesn't return a Julian Date. It returns the day of the year. Since > yeasr start on different days of the week, that is no real help. > > Julian Date is the number of days since noon on 1 Jan 4173 BCE. > (Currently 2456345) so you could use that, but it is simpler to use the > Access built in Date Type which stores the date as the number of days since > 30 Dec 1899 > > I'm assuming that the original question was along the lines of: > A day is suitable for a meeting if it falls on Monday to Thursday or a > non-furlough Friday. > > For the reference Furlough Friday: Datevalue("22 feb 2012") mod 14 = 11 > Therefore suitable days are MOD 0 - 4 (Mon-Fri of Week 1) and 7 - 10 (Mon - > Thur of week 2). Hence: > > Function AvailableForMeeting(myDate As Date) As Boolean > Select Case myDate Mod 14 > Case 0 To 4, 7 To 10 > AvailableForMeeting = True > Case Else > AvailableForMeeting = False > End Select > End Function > > > On 21 Feb 2013 at 13:56, Dan Waters wrote: > > > Hi David, > > > > You might create a formula of some kind using Julian dates. With > > these dates the days of the year are numbered 1 - 365 (or 1 - 366). > > Luckily, each week is 7 days, so some math might do the trick. > > > > I copied this function from an Access forum: > > > > Function CDate2Julian(MyDate As Date) As String > > CDate2Julian = Format(MyDate - DateSerial(Year(MyDate) - 1, 12, > > 31), > > "000") > > End Function > > > > Good Luck! > > Dan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David > > McAfee > > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 1:23 PM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: [AccessD] Every other Friday > > > > Okay, I have a question for the Access community :) > > > > > > If every other Friday (starting Feb 22nd 2013) is a Furlough Friday > > (office is closed), is there a way to determine if a given date such > > as August 16th > > 2013 is available for a meeting? > > > > I'm thinking something to do with Mod 14 maybe? > > > > SQL or VBA answers are fine. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > David McAfee > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From vbacreations at gmail.com Fri Feb 22 01:58:32 2013 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 02:58:32 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Every other Friday In-Reply-To: <51271C1F.20193.49756E00@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <51269C9A.697.478351A0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <51271C1F.20193.49756E00@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: >> . But that wasn't what was asked for. Of agreed, I was just being my typical business analyst self, not taking the client request at face value. Thanks for stepping up to the plate Stuart -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 2:20 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Every other Friday OK then if you want to change the stipulated use case, how about something like: Function AvailableForMeeting(myDate As Date,Optional OppositeWeek as Booelan = False) As Boolean If Oppositeweek then Select Case myDate Mod 14 Case 0 To 3, 7 To 11 AvailableForMeeting = True Case Else AvailableForMeeting = False End Select Else Select Case myDate Mod 14 Case 0 To 4, 7 To 10 AvailableForMeeting = True Case Else AvailableForMeeting = False End Select End if End Function Of course, the preferred solution is still a date table which lets you block out Good Friday etc and a function which would reset all future "Friday Offs" to the opposite week. But that wasn't what was asked for. On 22 Feb 2013 at 1:56, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote: > I am suspicious of any solution which does not allow a week in which "the" > Friday is skipped and the recurring engagement pushed to every other > Friday beginning after a skipped week. That is how my wife's piano lessons go. > Every other Friday then she thinks of something she would rather do on > one of her engaged weeks, and it all time shifts one week to the right. > B > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart > McLachlan > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 5:16 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Every other Friday > > Thbat doesn't return a Julian Date. It returns the day of the year. > Since yeasr start on different days of the week, that is no real help. > > Julian Date is the number of days since noon on 1 Jan 4173 BCE. > (Currently 2456345) so you could use that, but it is simpler to use > the Access built in Date Type which stores the date as the number of > days since > 30 Dec 1899 > > I'm assuming that the original question was along the lines of: > A day is suitable for a meeting if it falls on Monday to Thursday or a > non-furlough Friday. > > For the reference Furlough Friday: Datevalue("22 feb 2012") mod 14 = 11 > Therefore suitable days are MOD 0 - 4 (Mon-Fri of Week 1) and 7 - 10 > (Mon - Thur of week 2). Hence: > > Function AvailableForMeeting(myDate As Date) As Boolean > Select Case myDate Mod 14 > Case 0 To 4, 7 To 10 > AvailableForMeeting = True > Case Else > AvailableForMeeting = False > End Select > End Function > > > On 21 Feb 2013 at 13:56, Dan Waters wrote: > > > Hi David, > > > > You might create a formula of some kind using Julian dates. With > > these dates the days of the year are numbered 1 - 365 (or 1 - 366). > > Luckily, each week is 7 days, so some math might do the trick. > > > > I copied this function from an Access forum: > > > > Function CDate2Julian(MyDate As Date) As String > > CDate2Julian = Format(MyDate - DateSerial(Year(MyDate) - 1, 12, > > 31), > > "000") > > End Function > > > > Good Luck! > > Dan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David > > McAfee > > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 1:23 PM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: [AccessD] Every other Friday > > > > Okay, I have a question for the Access community :) > > > > > > If every other Friday (starting Feb 22nd 2013) is a Furlough Friday > > (office is closed), is there a way to determine if a given date such > > as August 16th > > 2013 is available for a meeting? > > > > I'm thinking something to do with Mod 14 maybe? > > > > SQL or VBA answers are fine. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > David McAfee > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From michael at mattysconsulting.com Fri Feb 22 10:16:48 2013 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 11:16:48 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Ping Message-ID: <025101ce1118$079055b0$16b10110$@mattysconsulting.com> A pin has dropped to the floor. Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com From davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com Fri Feb 22 10:20:42 2013 From: davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com (David A Gibson) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 10:20:42 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Ping In-Reply-To: <025101ce1118$079055b0$16b10110$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <025101ce1118$079055b0$16b10110$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <002801ce1118$907ab050$b17010f0$@gmail.com> Were you wanting someone to pick it up. :-D David Gibson -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 10:17 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Ping A pin has dropped to the floor. Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From RRANTHON at sentara.com Fri Feb 22 10:22:01 2013 From: RRANTHON at sentara.com (RANDALL R ANTHONY) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 16:22:01 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Ping In-Reply-To: <025101ce1118$079055b0$16b10110$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <025101ce1118$079055b0$16b10110$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <201302221622.r1MGMAdw032648@databaseadvisors.com> I think everyone's fingers are tired from all that yappin' this week. :) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 11:17 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Ping A pin has dropped to the floor. 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From jwcolby at gmail.com Fri Feb 22 10:27:17 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 11:27:17 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Ping In-Reply-To: <002801ce1118$907ab050$b17010f0$@gmail.com> References: <025101ce1118$079055b0$16b10110$@mattysconsulting.com> <002801ce1118$907ab050$b17010f0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <51279C65.80303@gmail.com> email Tony and ask him to stir the pot again. John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/22/2013 11:20 AM, David A Gibson wrote: > Were you wanting someone to pick it up. :-D > > David Gibson > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 10:17 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] Ping > > A pin has dropped to the floor. > > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com Fri Feb 22 10:31:54 2013 From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 11:31:54 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Access & Multiple Users conclusion In-Reply-To: <82F49E6F480D43529100649804304CE3@XPS> References: <511E155E0200006B0002B3F4@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com> <82F49E6F480D43529100649804304CE3@XPS> Message-ID: <5127572A0200006B0002B620@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com> For all that replied, I thank you. I did read this, but I've been pulled in so many directions lately, it was hard to sit and work on this, and get back to y'all. What is an emergency here one day, seems to take a back seat to anther emergency tomorrow..actually sometimes only hours or less later ;o) Basically, y'all have confirmed that I was doing things right, and for the proper reasons, and that is what I was looking for really. I couldn't expect anyone to fix what I knew to be network issues, because A) you are, like me, mostly programmers, and B) although many of us have some network knowledge, how do you really help someone on their network w/out knowing it much better? ;o) So, thanks...This initial problem seems to have abated. Some adjustments were made on the network...I'm not sure what...and some problems went away. I don't even think those changes were made to fix this particular issue. But...to comment on your comments specifically... >>> "Jim Dettman" 2/15/2013 1:39 PM >>> <> Couple of things: 1. Make sure everyone has full rights for where the MDB's are (which has already been mentioned). *** Yeah, this looks to be the case...now anyhow. I'm not sure what it was, but this is something I'd definitely think to look at. I do have more network experience than the average programmer I think...I don't like it as much, but I keep getting thrown into that roll. Windows networking is quite new for me though, and I'm struggling a bit, after spending 18+ yrs working w/Novell. 2. Make sure that DB's placed in the same directory do not have the same base name. i.e. MyApp.MDW and MyApp.MDB. This results in both DB's generating the same locking file name (MyApp.LDB) and all kinds of weirdness will result. *** Now THIS is something I had not thought of. Great tip...Thank you! Definitely something that will help me. *** I do not use MDWs too much though. I just don't care all that much for Access security in workgroups...more trouble than its worth in my experience. In my environment I can control so much w/network security that is really is just kind of overkill. But, like I said, this is still a gem of a tip...a keeper for sure. 3. Microsoft made a change with Access 2000 that design changes required exclusive access to the DB. Moving from Novell to Windows would not have changed that, but if as part of that users got new stations and new versions of Access, it may come into play. *** This is something else I'll have to keep in mind. I think this might be more of an issue in the Windows environment. ************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************* This brings up a new issue I have...I was going to submit it alone, but it kinda blends here...no...I'm going to enter it under a new topic... And a split app is the best approach, foremost of which is that it reduces network usage, there by improving performance of the app. It also makes app maintenance and updates easier. Finally it reduces the chance of corruption, although with the design change now being exclusive, corruption of a shared DB is a lot less then it used to be. From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com Fri Feb 22 10:52:43 2013 From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 11:52:43 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Re-linking Issue In-Reply-To: <5127572A0200006B0002B620@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com> References: <511E155E0200006B0002B3F4@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com> <82F49E6F480D43529100649804304CE3@XPS> <5127572A0200006B0002B620@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com> Message-ID: <51275C0B0200006B0002B625@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com> OK...thank you all for your advise and comments in my last post. This is a continuation...sort of...of the same mess. Different program this time, but it all stems from our recent network move. Of all the Access DBs not working, there were only two that I was really responsible for. Both for the same department, and both with similar problems. The rest of them were simple little network/rights issues, but mine, which were done in the Front-End/Back-End fashion, both came down to bad links... The first one was a relatively simple fix, and we did it from the network, rather than Access itself...because Access wouldn't let us. The link was broken to the data on the Back-end, and it was a drive mapping that no longer existed. One of our new policies that we have adopted is to no longer map anyone to the root of a network drive...it isn't necessary. But, these programs were written under the old network scheme and we had an "H:" mapping for just about everyone that took them to the root of the servers. So, going with that flow, I linked using that H: mapping. So, to fix this, we swallowed our pride and added a new H: mapping...for those users that absolutely need it only. Now, I was always a fan of UNC, so if I used an actual mapping, I must have had to. And, I seem to remember Access, at one time, disallowing UNC format for linking. But, that must have changed, because the 2nd DB that we're now having a problem with also has a broken link, but this time the link seems to be the UNC path, rather than a drive letter. The error that was reported to me however, pointed to a different problem. It said they were getting "...error 3042 - Out of MS-DOS file handles." Looking this up pointed me in the direction of security and rights. But, after verifying that all rights are properly setup, I looked deeper into Access. Right away I discovered the link issue. ...however, I'm thinking, as I type this, they should have been able to access the front end, which just has a menu, until the chose a button on that menu...so maybe I'm having another issue as well. But, my immediate question...my request fro y'all...is how to open link manager? It is grayed out, and I'm thinking the reason is that I am now using MS Access 2010, and these programs report as being "Access 97 file format." Is this the case...that since they are in a different format, link manager won't run? And, if so, how can I get around this? What I plan to do, while waiting for your help, is to try allowing Access to update this to the newer version...w/a backup of course...and then go from there. There is some pretty hefty code behind these programs though, so I'm not sure this will work. If it updates, and continues to run, then I'm hoping link manager is then enabled. If this does not work, I'm trying to find a workstation...hopefully one of theirs...that has an older version of Access. Then maybe I can remote in and use there PC to do the change. So, if anyone has any ideas regarding the relinking and/or the error, I'd appreciate the help. Thank you John W Clark From jimdettman at verizon.net Fri Feb 22 11:12:34 2013 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 12:12:34 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Re-linking Issue In-Reply-To: <51275C0B0200006B0002B625@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com> References: <511E155E0200006B0002B3F4@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com> <82F49E6F480D43529100649804304CE3@XPS> <5127572A0200006B0002B620@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com> <51275C0B0200006B0002B625@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com> Message-ID: <0722B9C8BAA14667AABBAAB1346DA5C3@XPS> <> Still should work. What's most likely is that it was not installed. The other issue is if it is a runtime version. Wizards are not available under the runtime. You can double check quick by creating a blank DB in 2010, link to a external table, then see if the linked table manager is still grayed out. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 11:53 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Re-linking Issue OK...thank you all for your advise and comments in my last post. This is a continuation...sort of...of the same mess. Different program this time, but it all stems from our recent network move. Of all the Access DBs not working, there were only two that I was really responsible for. Both for the same department, and both with similar problems. The rest of them were simple little network/rights issues, but mine, which were done in the Front-End/Back-End fashion, both came down to bad links... The first one was a relatively simple fix, and we did it from the network, rather than Access itself...because Access wouldn't let us. The link was broken to the data on the Back-end, and it was a drive mapping that no longer existed. One of our new policies that we have adopted is to no longer map anyone to the root of a network drive...it isn't necessary. But, these programs were written under the old network scheme and we had an "H:" mapping for just about everyone that took them to the root of the servers. So, going with that flow, I linked using that H: mapping. So, to fix this, we swallowed our pride and added a new H: mapping...for those users that absolutely need it only. Now, I was always a fan of UNC, so if I used an actual mapping, I must have had to. And, I seem to remember Access, at one time, disallowing UNC format for linking. But, that must have changed, because the 2nd DB that we're now having a problem with also has a broken link, but this time the link seems to be the UNC path, rather than a drive letter. The error that was reported to me however, pointed to a different problem. It said they were getting "...error 3042 - Out of MS-DOS file handles." Looking this up pointed me in the direction of security and rights. But, after verifying that all rights are properly setup, I looked deeper into Access. Right away I discovered the link issue. ...however, I'm thinking, as I type this, they should have been able to access the front end, which just has a menu, until the chose a button on that menu...so maybe I'm having another issue as well. But, my immediate question...my request fro y'all...is how to open link manager? It is grayed out, and I'm thinking the reason is that I am now using MS Access 2010, and these programs report as being "Access 97 file format." Is this the case...that since they are in a different format, link manager won't run? And, if so, how can I get around this? What I plan to do, while waiting for your help, is to try allowing Access to update this to the newer version...w/a backup of course...and then go from there. There is some pretty hefty code behind these programs though, so I'm not sure this will work. If it updates, and continues to run, then I'm hoping link manager is then enabled. If this does not work, I'm trying to find a workstation...hopefully one of theirs...that has an older version of Access. Then maybe I can remote in and use there PC to do the change. So, if anyone has any ideas regarding the relinking and/or the error, I'd appreciate the help. Thank you John W Clark From john at winhaven.net Fri Feb 22 11:23:04 2013 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 11:23:04 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Ping In-Reply-To: <51279C65.80303@gmail.com> References: <025101ce1118$079055b0$16b10110$@mattysconsulting.com> <002801ce1118$907ab050$b17010f0$@gmail.com> <51279C65.80303@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00b601ce1121$461b72c0$d2525840$@winhaven.net> Lol And he came to be known as "Tony pot stirrer". TPS rarely posted to the list other than when he was extremely bored and needed his annual fix of social interaction with the dinosaurs of the trade. Ahhh, reminiscing,; it brings out the best in all of us... -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 10:27 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ping email Tony and ask him to stir the pot again. John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/22/2013 11:20 AM, David A Gibson wrote: > Were you wanting someone to pick it up. :-D > > David Gibson > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 10:17 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] Ping > > A pin has dropped to the floor. > > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Fri Feb 22 11:27:51 2013 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 09:27:51 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Ping In-Reply-To: <00b601ce1121$461b72c0$d2525840$@winhaven.net> References: <025101ce1118$079055b0$16b10110$@mattysconsulting.com> <002801ce1118$907ab050$b17010f0$@gmail.com> <51279C65.80303@gmail.com> <00b601ce1121$461b72c0$d2525840$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: LOL TPS On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 9:23 AM, John Bartow wrote: > Lol > > And he came to be known as "Tony pot stirrer". TPS rarely posted to the > list > other than when he was extremely bored and needed his annual fix of social > interaction with the dinosaurs of the trade. Ahhh, reminiscing,; it brings > out the best in all of us... > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 10:27 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ping > > email Tony and ask him to stir the pot again. > > John W. Colby > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 2/22/2013 11:20 AM, David A Gibson wrote: > > Were you wanting someone to pick it up. :-D > > > > David Gibson > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael > Mattys > > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 10:17 AM > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: [AccessD] Ping > > > > A pin has dropped to the floor. > > > > > > Michael R Mattys > > Mattys Consulting, LLC > > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Feb 22 11:39:04 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 09:39:04 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3C1EB4E29BDC4B3DB3282776DD9A1766@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Kenneth: When it comes to Access there are people here who could answer any question about the product from now going back 10 to 15 years...but few are asking as there are few clients using it. That's a fact. Many here are now working in newer computer disciplines. As to your assertion of not filling a niche, there is no niche to fill. If you making your living with MS Access; you are part of a rare breed. So in conclusion: "There is still a viable niche for Access support"...no there is not. "We are doing a crap-ass job of filling that niche"...what niche...it is a dimple not a niche. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 3:24 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD never changes > > Jim Lawrence: > > Hardly depressing...that's life. > Jim, You miss the point. What is depressing is that we claim to fill a niche, namely advice and support for Access. And it seems, from this discussion, that we do a worse job of filling that niche than nearly anybody else. Can anybody name even one aspect of our group that is leading the pack? Number of posts, topicality, new members, search engine visibility? I dare say not one. I would even say we are not even in the middle of the pack for any measure you would care to name. The strongest point we have, expertise, is surely eclipsed by any of the much more lively groups mentioned in this discussion. And what is the point of expertise, if there is audience to benefit from it? Whine and moan all you want about the state of Access, but there are two undeniable points: 1. There is still a viable niche for Access support 2. We are doing a crap-ass job of filling that niche -Ken -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com Fri Feb 22 11:53:14 2013 From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 12:53:14 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Re-linking Issue In-Reply-To: <0722B9C8BAA14667AABBAAB1346DA5C3@XPS> References: <511E155E0200006B0002B3F4@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com> <82F49E6F480D43529100649804304CE3@XPS> <5127572A0200006B0002B620@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com> <51275C0B0200006B0002B625@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com> <0722B9C8BAA14667AABBAAB1346DA5C3@XPS> Message-ID: <51276A3A0200006B0002B62A@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com> Well...what I have now done, is to allow the DB to update itself to 2010, and after doing this, link manager was enabled. It let me go in and alter the link, and I am not in and using the program. I think I just learned something, because I never knew this to be the case. This won't fix me for good though, because I don't think that department is all up to date and on 2010. So, I've got to find out what version they do have and go from there. >>> "Jim Dettman" 2/22/2013 12:12 PM >>> <> Still should work. What's most likely is that it was not installed. The other issue is if it is a runtime version. Wizards are not available under the runtime. You can double check quick by creating a blank DB in 2010, link to a external table, then see if the linked table manager is still grayed out. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 11:53 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Re-linking Issue OK...thank you all for your advise and comments in my last post. This is a continuation...sort of...of the same mess. Different program this time, but it all stems from our recent network move. Of all the Access DBs not working, there were only two that I was really responsible for. Both for the same department, and both with similar problems. The rest of them were simple little network/rights issues, but mine, which were done in the Front-End/Back-End fashion, both came down to bad links... The first one was a relatively simple fix, and we did it from the network, rather than Access itself...because Access wouldn't let us. The link was broken to the data on the Back-end, and it was a drive mapping that no longer existed. One of our new policies that we have adopted is to no longer map anyone to the root of a network drive...it isn't necessary. But, these programs were written under the old network scheme and we had an "H:" mapping for just about everyone that took them to the root of the servers. So, going with that flow, I linked using that H: mapping. So, to fix this, we swallowed our pride and added a new H: mapping...for those users that absolutely need it only. Now, I was always a fan of UNC, so if I used an actual mapping, I must have had to. And, I seem to remember Access, at one time, disallowing UNC format for linking. But, that must have changed, because the 2nd DB that we're now having a problem with also has a broken link, but this time the link seems to be the UNC path, rather than a drive letter. The error that was reported to me however, pointed to a different problem. It said they were getting "...error 3042 - Out of MS-DOS file handles." Looking this up pointed me in the direction of security and rights. But, after verifying that all rights are properly setup, I looked deeper into Access. Right away I discovered the link issue. ...however, I'm thinking, as I type this, they should have been able to access the front end, which just has a menu, until the chose a button on that menu...so maybe I'm having another issue as well. But, my immediate question...my request fro y'all...is how to open link manager? It is grayed out, and I'm thinking the reason is that I am now using MS Access 2010, and these programs report as being "Access 97 file format." Is this the case...that since they are in a different format, link manager won't run? And, if so, how can I get around this? What I plan to do, while waiting for your help, is to try allowing Access to update this to the newer version...w/a backup of course...and then go from there. There is some pretty hefty code behind these programs though, so I'm not sure this will work. If it updates, and continues to run, then I'm hoping link manager is then enabled. If this does not work, I'm trying to find a workstation...hopefully one of theirs...that has an older version of Access. Then maybe I can remote in and use there PC to do the change. So, if anyone has any ideas regarding the relinking and/or the error, I'd appreciate the help. Thank you John W Clark -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Fri Feb 22 12:28:51 2013 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 13:28:51 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Re-linking Issue In-Reply-To: <51276A3A0200006B0002B62A@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com> References: <511E155E0200006B0002B3F4@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com> <82F49E6F480D43529100649804304CE3@XPS> <5127572A0200006B0002B620@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com> <51275C0B0200006B0002B625@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com> <0722B9C8BAA14667AABBAAB1346DA5C3@XPS> <51276A3A0200006B0002B62A@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com> Message-ID: <7B9B18B999F644CD8AD53134AB36E4B1@XPS> Wait...you said Access 97 didn't you? The DB needs to be in JET 4.0 format at least (A2000 and up). Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 12:53 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-linking Issue Well...what I have now done, is to allow the DB to update itself to 2010, and after doing this, link manager was enabled. It let me go in and alter the link, and I am not in and using the program. I think I just learned something, because I never knew this to be the case. This won't fix me for good though, because I don't think that department is all up to date and on 2010. So, I've got to find out what version they do have and go from there. >>> "Jim Dettman" 2/22/2013 12:12 PM >>> <> Still should work. What's most likely is that it was not installed. The other issue is if it is a runtime version. Wizards are not available under the runtime. You can double check quick by creating a blank DB in 2010, link to a external table, then see if the linked table manager is still grayed out. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 11:53 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Re-linking Issue OK...thank you all for your advise and comments in my last post. This is a continuation...sort of...of the same mess. Different program this time, but it all stems from our recent network move. Of all the Access DBs not working, there were only two that I was really responsible for. Both for the same department, and both with similar problems. The rest of them were simple little network/rights issues, but mine, which were done in the Front-End/Back-End fashion, both came down to bad links... The first one was a relatively simple fix, and we did it from the network, rather than Access itself...because Access wouldn't let us. The link was broken to the data on the Back-end, and it was a drive mapping that no longer existed. One of our new policies that we have adopted is to no longer map anyone to the root of a network drive...it isn't necessary. But, these programs were written under the old network scheme and we had an "H:" mapping for just about everyone that took them to the root of the servers. So, going with that flow, I linked using that H: mapping. So, to fix this, we swallowed our pride and added a new H: mapping...for those users that absolutely need it only. Now, I was always a fan of UNC, so if I used an actual mapping, I must have had to. And, I seem to remember Access, at one time, disallowing UNC format for linking. But, that must have changed, because the 2nd DB that we're now having a problem with also has a broken link, but this time the link seems to be the UNC path, rather than a drive letter. The error that was reported to me however, pointed to a different problem. It said they were getting "...error 3042 - Out of MS-DOS file handles." Looking this up pointed me in the direction of security and rights. But, after verifying that all rights are properly setup, I looked deeper into Access. Right away I discovered the link issue. ...however, I'm thinking, as I type this, they should have been able to access the front end, which just has a menu, until the chose a button on that menu...so maybe I'm having another issue as well. But, my immediate question...my request fro y'all...is how to open link manager? It is grayed out, and I'm thinking the reason is that I am now using MS Access 2010, and these programs report as being "Access 97 file format." Is this the case...that since they are in a different format, link manager won't run? And, if so, how can I get around this? What I plan to do, while waiting for your help, is to try allowing Access to update this to the newer version...w/a backup of course...and then go from there. There is some pretty hefty code behind these programs though, so I'm not sure this will work. If it updates, and continues to run, then I'm hoping link manager is then enabled. If this does not work, I'm trying to find a workstation...hopefully one of theirs...that has an older version of Access. Then maybe I can remote in and use there PC to do the change. So, if anyone has any ideas regarding the relinking and/or the error, I'd appreciate the help. Thank you John W Clark -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kismert at gmail.com Fri Feb 22 14:27:16 2013 From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 14:27:16 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes Message-ID: > > Charlotte Foust > > Why should we be leading a pack? ... > Charlotte, I think the group in the past has brought up a lot of people from relative noob status to fairly competent developers. For a serious newcomer, this was where the rubber met the road. Anyhow, this topic has a a familiar devolution: Dissenter: The group is going downhill! Group: What?!? We love it like this -- it should never change! (Long reminiscences about the glory days of the past) Dissenter: Show numbers that demonstrate a growing group. Group: (silence) Dissenter: Show one way that we are relevant, or excel in some way that would draw new people in. Group: Why should we be relevant? We don't like those new people anyway. Dissenter: What about Groups X, Y and Z, all of which have bigger-name experts, higher post volumes and more on-topic posts? Group: (grumble mumble) Dissenter: So what exactly is our purpose? Shouldn't we own up to the fact that we have become an old fart's social club? Group: Why, if it wasn't for our lumbago, we'd get after you, you rapscallion! It's just funny to me how many people here are not willing to acknowledge the obvious, and are flustered by those who point it out. -Ken From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Feb 22 14:48:15 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 15:48:15 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: <3C1EB4E29BDC4B3DB3282776DD9A1766@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <3C1EB4E29BDC4B3DB3282776DD9A1766@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Just a thought... Since most of us have either migrated to another platform, or are clinging to Access, or are interested in possible migration-paths, we ought to direct such thoughts to our dbaTech group, and see after a while what "groups of thought" emerge. Speaking only about myself, and not intending in any way to impose my current interests upon the direction of our beloved groups, I can comfortably say this: a) I am still very interested in Access, but recently in its use as an FE to MySQL BEs. b) JavaScript and its children are a principal focus of my attention. c) I am enamoured of Alpha Five, in large part due to its ability to deliver cross-platform apps that run on native web, tablets and smart-phones. In that respect, Access is sadly way behind the 8-ball. d) Lately I have been converting lots of my Access apps to address MySQL as the BE rather than Access or MySQL. There are two main reasons for this: a) MySQL is not limited in any way (granted, the new expansion of MS SQL Express to 10 GB from 2 GB is significant, but a MySQL is unlimited). e) I'm sensing a lot of restlessness in our Access list. I do not want to throw the baby out with the bathwater, but I am also very aware of the huge leaps that Alpha Five has taken over all the current Access versions, and I for one am in transition-mode: I know that A5 is way superior, but as yet I'm not expert in its use, so thus far I'm continuing to prototype in Access, then port the results to Alpha Five. I deem this product far superior to Access in just about every possible way, but the fact is that I'm still learning their programming language and I'm expert in VBA, so my tendency is to prototype in Access, where I know what I'm doing, and then port that to A5, where I'm not quite a Virgin but not a Trollop either. For advanced coding, there are hurdles to overcome. I am privately working on an Access-to-A5 form-conversion utility; this is slow-going. My apps tend not to be trivial like Northwind, but rather involve a few hundred tables and (if it's a SQL or MySQL back end) a few thousand sprocs. So the conversion is non-trivial, but that's the sort of challenge I like. Excuse that aside. What I meant to say is this: 1) No matter how long I live, I shall still continue to use Access. 2) Access cannot deliver a large number of things the contemporary environment requires (such as apps for web, tablet, smart-phone, and who knows what the next platform will be?). 3) Every single hour that I invest in learning Alpha Five, I feel is an hour well-invested. First of all, it's a superior product. Second, even if the co-CEOs of Alpha Five make radically bad decisions, learning Alpha Five involves learning all the languages it supports -- JavaScript, HTML 5, JSON, jQuery and so on. Therefore, every investment you make in these supported languages shall be useful, even in the unlikely event that Alpha Five dies -- which I doubt, to the max! I think these folks have their finger on the pulse of RAD development for the new universe -- phones, tablets and traditional web browsers. What I have learned from importing existing apps is that some of them work beautifully on tablets and phones, and some do not. What I find absent (and perhaps it's already there and I have missed it) is smart-recognition of the data-type of any given field in any given form: In any given date-time field, I want an automatic calendar to appear. This is a cinch in Access. In any given lookup column, I want an automatic dropdown to appear, with the ability to add a new item to said lookup table. On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Kenneth: > > When it comes to Access there are people here who could answer any question > about the product from now going back 10 to 15 years...but few are asking > as > there are few clients using it. That's a fact. Many here are now working in > newer computer disciplines. > > As to your assertion of not filling a niche, there is no niche to fill. If > you making your living with MS Access; you are part of a rare breed. > > So in conclusion: "There is still a viable niche for Access support"...no > there is not. "We are doing a crap-ass job of filling that niche"...what > niche...it is a dimple not a niche. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 3:24 PM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD never changes > > > > > Jim Lawrence: > > > > Hardly depressing...that's life. > > > > Jim, > > You miss the point. What is depressing is that we claim to fill a niche, > namely advice and support for Access. > > And it seems, from this discussion, that we do a worse job of filling that > niche than nearly anybody else. > > Can anybody name even one aspect of our group that is leading the pack? > Number of posts, topicality, new members, search engine visibility? I dare > say not one. > > I would even say we are not even in the middle of the pack for any measure > you would care to name. The strongest point we have, expertise, is surely > eclipsed by any of the much more lively groups mentioned in this > discussion. > > And what is the point of expertise, if there is audience to benefit from > it? > > Whine and moan all you want about the state of Access, but there are two > undeniable points: > > 1. There is still a viable niche for Access support > 2. We are doing a crap-ass job of filling that niche > > -Ken > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Feb 22 15:14:50 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 13:14:50 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: References: <3C1EB4E29BDC4B3DB3282776DD9A1766@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Well said Athur. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 12:48 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD never changes Just a thought... Since most of us have either migrated to another platform, or are clinging to Access, or are interested in possible migration-paths, we ought to direct such thoughts to our dbaTech group, and see after a while what "groups of thought" emerge. Speaking only about myself, and not intending in any way to impose my current interests upon the direction of our beloved groups, I can comfortably say this: a) I am still very interested in Access, but recently in its use as an FE to MySQL BEs. b) JavaScript and its children are a principal focus of my attention. c) I am enamoured of Alpha Five, in large part due to its ability to deliver cross-platform apps that run on native web, tablets and smart-phones. In that respect, Access is sadly way behind the 8-ball. d) Lately I have been converting lots of my Access apps to address MySQL as the BE rather than Access or MySQL. There are two main reasons for this: a) MySQL is not limited in any way (granted, the new expansion of MS SQL Express to 10 GB from 2 GB is significant, but a MySQL is unlimited). e) I'm sensing a lot of restlessness in our Access list. I do not want to throw the baby out with the bathwater, but I am also very aware of the huge leaps that Alpha Five has taken over all the current Access versions, and I for one am in transition-mode: I know that A5 is way superior, but as yet I'm not expert in its use, so thus far I'm continuing to prototype in Access, then port the results to Alpha Five. I deem this product far superior to Access in just about every possible way, but the fact is that I'm still learning their programming language and I'm expert in VBA, so my tendency is to prototype in Access, where I know what I'm doing, and then port that to A5, where I'm not quite a Virgin but not a Trollop either. For advanced coding, there are hurdles to overcome. I am privately working on an Access-to-A5 form-conversion utility; this is slow-going. My apps tend not to be trivial like Northwind, but rather involve a few hundred tables and (if it's a SQL or MySQL back end) a few thousand sprocs. So the conversion is non-trivial, but that's the sort of challenge I like. Excuse that aside. What I meant to say is this: 1) No matter how long I live, I shall still continue to use Access. 2) Access cannot deliver a large number of things the contemporary environment requires (such as apps for web, tablet, smart-phone, and who knows what the next platform will be?). 3) Every single hour that I invest in learning Alpha Five, I feel is an hour well-invested. First of all, it's a superior product. Second, even if the co-CEOs of Alpha Five make radically bad decisions, learning Alpha Five involves learning all the languages it supports -- JavaScript, HTML 5, JSON, jQuery and so on. Therefore, every investment you make in these supported languages shall be useful, even in the unlikely event that Alpha Five dies -- which I doubt, to the max! I think these folks have their finger on the pulse of RAD development for the new universe -- phones, tablets and traditional web browsers. What I have learned from importing existing apps is that some of them work beautifully on tablets and phones, and some do not. What I find absent (and perhaps it's already there and I have missed it) is smart-recognition of the data-type of any given field in any given form: In any given date-time field, I want an automatic calendar to appear. This is a cinch in Access. In any given lookup column, I want an automatic dropdown to appear, with the ability to add a new item to said lookup table. On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Kenneth: > > When it comes to Access there are people here who could answer any question > about the product from now going back 10 to 15 years...but few are asking > as > there are few clients using it. That's a fact. Many here are now working in > newer computer disciplines. > > As to your assertion of not filling a niche, there is no niche to fill. If > you making your living with MS Access; you are part of a rare breed. > > So in conclusion: "There is still a viable niche for Access support"...no > there is not. "We are doing a crap-ass job of filling that niche"...what > niche...it is a dimple not a niche. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 3:24 PM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD never changes > > > > > Jim Lawrence: > > > > Hardly depressing...that's life. > > > > Jim, > > You miss the point. What is depressing is that we claim to fill a niche, > namely advice and support for Access. > > And it seems, from this discussion, that we do a worse job of filling that > niche than nearly anybody else. > > Can anybody name even one aspect of our group that is leading the pack? > Number of posts, topicality, new members, search engine visibility? I dare > say not one. > > I would even say we are not even in the middle of the pack for any measure > you would care to name. The strongest point we have, expertise, is surely > eclipsed by any of the much more lively groups mentioned in this > discussion. > > And what is the point of expertise, if there is audience to benefit from > it? > > Whine and moan all you want about the state of Access, but there are two > undeniable points: > > 1. There is still a viable niche for Access support > 2. We are doing a crap-ass job of filling that niche > > -Ken > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Feb 22 16:11:02 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 14:11:02 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: <3C1EB4E29BDC4B3DB3282776DD9A1766@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <3C1EB4E29BDC4B3DB3282776DD9A1766@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <444D8DF358114B6388BFF5641F41A2D9@HAL9007> I'll tell you another thing that reduced the questions - Google. I can ask Google and get a link to an answer right away. Didn't used to be that way. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 9:39 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD never changes Hi Kenneth: When it comes to Access there are people here who could answer any question about the product from now going back 10 to 15 years...but few are asking as there are few clients using it. That's a fact. Many here are now working in newer computer disciplines. As to your assertion of not filling a niche, there is no niche to fill. If you making your living with MS Access; you are part of a rare breed. So in conclusion: "There is still a viable niche for Access support"...no there is not. "We are doing a crap-ass job of filling that niche"...what niche...it is a dimple not a niche. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 3:24 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD never changes > > Jim Lawrence: > > Hardly depressing...that's life. > Jim, You miss the point. What is depressing is that we claim to fill a niche, namely advice and support for Access. And it seems, from this discussion, that we do a worse job of filling that niche than nearly anybody else. Can anybody name even one aspect of our group that is leading the pack? Number of posts, topicality, new members, search engine visibility? I dare say not one. I would even say we are not even in the middle of the pack for any measure you would care to name. The strongest point we have, expertise, is surely eclipsed by any of the much more lively groups mentioned in this discussion. And what is the point of expertise, if there is audience to benefit from it? Whine and moan all you want about the state of Access, but there are two undeniable points: 1. There is still a viable niche for Access support 2. We are doing a crap-ass job of filling that niche -Ken -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Fri Feb 22 16:11:08 2013 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 16:11:08 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <201302222211.r1MMBCSt001413@databaseadvisors.com> Hey All I would really like to hear from this list how you have been able to remain productive (with Access sliding down the tubes). What new products have worked for you, what is the benefit, what is the learning curve. I am currently following up on Arthur's (the old fart) recommendation to try AlphaFive. It does look like something I will shortly be purchasing. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: February-22-13 2:48 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD never changes Just a thought... Since most of us have either migrated to another platform, or are clinging to Access, or are interested in possible migration-paths, we ought to direct such thoughts to our dbaTech group, and see after a while what "groups of thought" emerge. Speaking only about myself, and not intending in any way to impose my current interests upon the direction of our beloved groups, I can comfortably say this: a) I am still very interested in Access, but recently in its use as an FE to MySQL BEs. b) JavaScript and its children are a principal focus of my attention. c) I am enamoured of Alpha Five, in large part due to its ability to deliver cross-platform apps that run on native web, tablets and smart-phones. In that respect, Access is sadly way behind the 8-ball. d) Lately I have been converting lots of my Access apps to address MySQL as the BE rather than Access or MySQL. There are two main reasons for this: a) MySQL is not limited in any way (granted, the new expansion of MS SQL Express to 10 GB from 2 GB is significant, but a MySQL is unlimited). e) I'm sensing a lot of restlessness in our Access list. I do not want to throw the baby out with the bathwater, but I am also very aware of the huge leaps that Alpha Five has taken over all the current Access versions, and I for one am in transition-mode: I know that A5 is way superior, but as yet I'm not expert in its use, so thus far I'm continuing to prototype in Access, then port the results to Alpha Five. I deem this product far superior to Access in just about every possible way, but the fact is that I'm still learning their programming language and I'm expert in VBA, so my tendency is to prototype in Access, where I know what I'm doing, and then port that to A5, where I'm not quite a Virgin but not a Trollop either. For advanced coding, there are hurdles to overcome. I am privately working on an Access-to-A5 form-conversion utility; this is slow-going. My apps tend not to be trivial like Northwind, but rather involve a few hundred tables and (if it's a SQL or MySQL back end) a few thousand sprocs. So the conversion is non-trivial, but that's the sort of challenge I like. Excuse that aside. What I meant to say is this: 1) No matter how long I live, I shall still continue to use Access. 2) Access cannot deliver a large number of things the contemporary environment requires (such as apps for web, tablet, smart-phone, and who knows what the next platform will be?). 3) Every single hour that I invest in learning Alpha Five, I feel is an hour well-invested. First of all, it's a superior product. Second, even if the co-CEOs of Alpha Five make radically bad decisions, learning Alpha Five involves learning all the languages it supports -- JavaScript, HTML 5, JSON, jQuery and so on. Therefore, every investment you make in these supported languages shall be useful, even in the unlikely event that Alpha Five dies -- which I doubt, to the max! I think these folks have their finger on the pulse of RAD development for the new universe -- phones, tablets and traditional web browsers. What I have learned from importing existing apps is that some of them work beautifully on tablets and phones, and some do not. What I find absent (and perhaps it's already there and I have missed it) is smart-recognition of the data-type of any given field in any given form: In any given date-time field, I want an automatic calendar to appear. This is a cinch in Access. In any given lookup column, I want an automatic dropdown to appear, with the ability to add a new item to said lookup table. On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Kenneth: > > When it comes to Access there are people here who could answer any question > about the product from now going back 10 to 15 years...but few are asking > as > there are few clients using it. That's a fact. Many here are now working in > newer computer disciplines. > > As to your assertion of not filling a niche, there is no niche to fill. If > you making your living with MS Access; you are part of a rare breed. > > So in conclusion: "There is still a viable niche for Access support"...no > there is not. "We are doing a crap-ass job of filling that niche"...what > niche...it is a dimple not a niche. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 3:24 PM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD never changes > > > > > Jim Lawrence: > > > > Hardly depressing...that's life. > > > > Jim, > > You miss the point. What is depressing is that we claim to fill a niche, > namely advice and support for Access. > > And it seems, from this discussion, that we do a worse job of filling that > niche than nearly anybody else. > > Can anybody name even one aspect of our group that is leading the pack? > Number of posts, topicality, new members, search engine visibility? I dare > say not one. > > I would even say we are not even in the middle of the pack for any measure > you would care to name. The strongest point we have, expertise, is surely > eclipsed by any of the much more lively groups mentioned in this > discussion. > > And what is the point of expertise, if there is audience to benefit from > it? > > Whine and moan all you want about the state of Access, but there are two > undeniable points: > > 1. There is still a viable niche for Access support > 2. We are doing a crap-ass job of filling that niche > > -Ken > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6113 - Release Date: 02/18/13 From jimdettman at verizon.net Fri Feb 22 16:39:49 2013 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 17:39:49 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: <444D8DF358114B6388BFF5641F41A2D9@HAL9007> References: <3C1EB4E29BDC4B3DB3282776DD9A1766@creativesystemdesigns.com> <444D8DF358114B6388BFF5641F41A2D9@HAL9007> Message-ID: That's an excellent point Rocky...heck I get a link now most times before I'm even finished typing what I want. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 05:11 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD never changes I'll tell you another thing that reduced the questions - Google. I can ask Google and get a link to an answer right away. Didn't used to be that way. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 9:39 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD never changes Hi Kenneth: When it comes to Access there are people here who could answer any question about the product from now going back 10 to 15 years...but few are asking as there are few clients using it. That's a fact. Many here are now working in newer computer disciplines. As to your assertion of not filling a niche, there is no niche to fill. If you making your living with MS Access; you are part of a rare breed. So in conclusion: "There is still a viable niche for Access support"...no there is not. "We are doing a crap-ass job of filling that niche"...what niche...it is a dimple not a niche. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 3:24 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD never changes > > Jim Lawrence: > > Hardly depressing...that's life. > Jim, You miss the point. What is depressing is that we claim to fill a niche, namely advice and support for Access. And it seems, from this discussion, that we do a worse job of filling that niche than nearly anybody else. Can anybody name even one aspect of our group that is leading the pack? Number of posts, topicality, new members, search engine visibility? I dare say not one. I would even say we are not even in the middle of the pack for any measure you would care to name. The strongest point we have, expertise, is surely eclipsed by any of the much more lively groups mentioned in this discussion. And what is the point of expertise, if there is audience to benefit from it? Whine and moan all you want about the state of Access, but there are two undeniable points: 1. There is still a viable niche for Access support 2. We are doing a crap-ass job of filling that niche -Ken -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Fri Feb 22 16:59:45 2013 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 16:59:45 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Changed From "AccessD never changes" to "Sharing of information" Message-ID: <201302222259.r1MMxnsG001576@databaseadvisors.com> Hey All I would really like to hear from this list how you have been able to remain productive (with Access sliding down the tubes). What new products have worked for you, what is the benefit, what is the learning curve. I am currently following up on Arthur's (the old fart) recommendation to try AlphaFive. It does look like something I will shortly be purchasing. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada From davidmcafee at gmail.com Fri Feb 22 17:16:43 2013 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 15:16:43 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Changed From "AccessD never changes" to "Sharing of information" In-Reply-To: <201302222259.r1MMxnsG001576@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201302222259.r1MMxnsG001576@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Look into HTML5 http://www.html-5-tutorial.com/ and Javascript http://w3schools.com/js/default.asp You can use those in many places, and you don't need any expensive IDEs to get started. David On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey All > > I would really like to hear from this list how you have been able to remain > productive (with Access sliding down the tubes). What new products have > worked for you, what is the benefit, what is the learning curve. I am > currently following up on Arthur's (the old fart) recommendation to try > AlphaFive. It does look like something I will shortly be purchasing. > > > > Tony Septav > > Nanaimo, BC > > Canada > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Feb 22 17:38:08 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 09:38:08 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Changed From "AccessD never changes" to "Sharing of information" In-Reply-To: References: <201302222259.r1MMxnsG001576@databaseadvisors.com>, Message-ID: <51280160.31215.4CF4F634@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> And PHP for the back end. It runs on all the main web servers. -- Stuart On 22 Feb 2013 at 15:16, David McAfee wrote: > Look into HTML5 http://www.html-5-tutorial.com/ > > and Javascript http://w3schools.com/js/default.asp > > You can use those in many places, and you don't need any expensive IDEs to > get started. > > David > > On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > > > Hey All > > > > I would really like to hear from this list how you have been able to remain > > productive (with Access sliding down the tubes). What new products have > > worked for you, what is the benefit, what is the learning curve. I am > > currently following up on Arthur's (the old fart) recommendation to try > > AlphaFive. It does look like something I will shortly be purchasing. > > > > > > > > Tony Septav > > > > Nanaimo, BC > > > > Canada > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Fri Feb 22 17:50:26 2013 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 17:50:26 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Changed From "AccessD never changes" to "Sharing ofinformation" In-Reply-To: <51280160.31215.4CF4F634@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <201302222350.r1MNoUg1001745@databaseadvisors.com> Hey Thanks David and Stuart I am sort of looking for a RAD to develop database web pages and taking it further to the Apps for Android etc community. You may "What are looking for", but I am. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: February-22-13 5:38 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changed From "AccessD never changes" to "Sharing ofinformation" And PHP for the back end. It runs on all the main web servers. -- Stuart On 22 Feb 2013 at 15:16, David McAfee wrote: > Look into HTML5 http://www.html-5-tutorial.com/ > > and Javascript http://w3schools.com/js/default.asp > > You can use those in many places, and you don't need any expensive IDEs to > get started. > > David > > On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > > > Hey All > > > > I would really like to hear from this list how you have been able to remain > > productive (with Access sliding down the tubes). What new products have > > worked for you, what is the benefit, what is the learning curve. I am > > currently following up on Arthur's (the old fart) recommendation to try > > AlphaFive. It does look like something I will shortly be purchasing. > > > > > > > > Tony Septav > > > > Nanaimo, BC > > > > Canada > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6113 - Release Date: 02/18/13 From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Feb 22 18:09:06 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 10:09:06 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Changed From "AccessD never changes" to "Sharing ofinformation" In-Reply-To: <201302222350.r1MNoUg1001745@databaseadvisors.com> References: <51280160.31215.4CF4F634@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <201302222350.r1MNoUg1001745@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <512808A2.28988.4D1150B3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> If your looking at "Apps for Android", you should take a look at Basic4Android. http://www.basic4ppc.com/android/ It will let you leverage your VBA skills. -- Stuart On 22 Feb 2013 at 17:50, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey > Thanks David and Stuart > I am sort of looking for a RAD to develop database web pages and taking it > further to the Apps for Android etc community. You may "What are looking > for", but I am. > > Tony Septav > Nanaimo, BC > Canada > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan > Sent: February-22-13 5:38 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changed From "AccessD never changes" to "Sharing > ofinformation" > > And PHP for the back end. It runs on all the main web servers. > > -- > Stuart > > On 22 Feb 2013 at 15:16, David McAfee wrote: > > > Look into HTML5 http://www.html-5-tutorial.com/ > > > > and Javascript http://w3schools.com/js/default.asp > > > > You can use those in many places, and you don't need any expensive IDEs to > > get started. > > > > David > > > > On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > > > > > Hey All > > > > > > I would really like to hear from this list how you have been able to > remain > > > productive (with Access sliding down the tubes). What new products have > > > worked for you, what is the benefit, what is the learning curve. I am > > > currently following up on Arthur's (the old fart) recommendation to try > > > AlphaFive. It does look like something I will shortly be purchasing. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tony Septav > > > > > > Nanaimo, BC > > > > > > Canada > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6113 - Release Date: 02/18/13 > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Fri Feb 22 18:30:49 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 16:30:49 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ken, I doubt you'll find much fluster in this group, but thanks for thinking we're still capable of it. Access is moving away from the mossy backs; but as I just discovered from a phone interview, users are still rolling their own Access databases (along with some VB 6 developers who don't really think in Access) and IT departments still need people to help document, untangle, and migrate them because IT DOESN'T SUPPORT ACCESS! I don't know how I would make a living doing such a thing, but I do get contract work from it on occasion. The point is, we can't make Access relevant by simply applying our brains to it, no matter how many people post. I will be playing with Access 2013 on Windows 8 to see what it might offer for that kind of platform, but I don't expect there to be a rush to use it. The gap between user and developer has widened with Windows 8/Access 2013 even further than it was before. I'm not even sure how a newcomer could learn to build anything in 2013 on the new platform, so I'm fiddling with it. Trying to move the list to a new platform is even more of a disconnect, and I wouldn't encourage anyone to try it without wearing Kevlar No hard feelings. I don't take anything personally anymore! Charlotte On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Kenneth Ismert wrote: > > > > Charlotte Foust > > > > Why should we be leading a pack? ... > > > > Charlotte, > > I think the group in the past has brought up a lot of people from relative > noob status to fairly competent developers. For a serious newcomer, this > was where the rubber met the road. > > Anyhow, this topic has a a familiar devolution: > > Dissenter: The group is going downhill! > Group: What?!? We love it like this -- it should never change! (Long > reminiscences about the glory days of the past) > Dissenter: Show numbers that demonstrate a growing group. > Group: (silence) > Dissenter: Show one way that we are relevant, or excel in some way that > would draw new people in. > Group: Why should we be relevant? We don't like those new people anyway. > Dissenter: What about Groups X, Y and Z, all of which have bigger-name > experts, higher post volumes and more on-topic posts? > Group: (grumble mumble) > Dissenter: So what exactly is our purpose? Shouldn't we own up to the fact > that we have become an old fart's social club? > Group: Why, if it wasn't for our lumbago, we'd get after you, you > rapscallion! > > It's just funny to me how many people here are not willing to acknowledge > the obvious, and are flustered by those who point it out. > > -Ken > From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Feb 22 21:09:38 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 19:09:38 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: <201302222211.r1MMBCSt001413@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201302222211.r1MMBCSt001413@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <751A3F2D0C684E2187FA9407DF47A974@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Tony: In one word the "web". There are so many opportunities and disciplines to select and to master. Web page UI, JavaScript coding, graphics, servers and web servers, dozens of webserver languages, web databases from SQL to Map Reduce, to the Clouds... and then there are content providers, columnists, sales and social sites of every ilk. There is no limit to the options and they are all changing and improving at an incredible rate. This is where all the money and jobs are now. This is the environment where the "Start-ups" breed. The big factor is of course is our wiliness to put in unlimited time and effort. ;-) IMHO, if anyone could translate their most successful Access application to the web, with all the extra bells and whistles like touch screen capabilities, it could also be a success... Just look at how Microsoft translated their most successful desktop Office package to the web and now they are poised to make a fortune from it. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 2:11 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD never changes Hey All I would really like to hear from this list how you have been able to remain productive (with Access sliding down the tubes). What new products have worked for you, what is the benefit, what is the learning curve. I am currently following up on Arthur's (the old fart) recommendation to try AlphaFive. It does look like something I will shortly be purchasing. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: February-22-13 2:48 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD never changes Just a thought... Since most of us have either migrated to another platform, or are clinging to Access, or are interested in possible migration-paths, we ought to direct such thoughts to our dbaTech group, and see after a while what "groups of thought" emerge. Speaking only about myself, and not intending in any way to impose my current interests upon the direction of our beloved groups, I can comfortably say this: a) I am still very interested in Access, but recently in its use as an FE to MySQL BEs. b) JavaScript and its children are a principal focus of my attention. c) I am enamoured of Alpha Five, in large part due to its ability to deliver cross-platform apps that run on native web, tablets and smart-phones. In that respect, Access is sadly way behind the 8-ball. d) Lately I have been converting lots of my Access apps to address MySQL as the BE rather than Access or MySQL. There are two main reasons for this: a) MySQL is not limited in any way (granted, the new expansion of MS SQL Express to 10 GB from 2 GB is significant, but a MySQL is unlimited). e) I'm sensing a lot of restlessness in our Access list. I do not want to throw the baby out with the bathwater, but I am also very aware of the huge leaps that Alpha Five has taken over all the current Access versions, and I for one am in transition-mode: I know that A5 is way superior, but as yet I'm not expert in its use, so thus far I'm continuing to prototype in Access, then port the results to Alpha Five. I deem this product far superior to Access in just about every possible way, but the fact is that I'm still learning their programming language and I'm expert in VBA, so my tendency is to prototype in Access, where I know what I'm doing, and then port that to A5, where I'm not quite a Virgin but not a Trollop either. For advanced coding, there are hurdles to overcome. I am privately working on an Access-to-A5 form-conversion utility; this is slow-going. My apps tend not to be trivial like Northwind, but rather involve a few hundred tables and (if it's a SQL or MySQL back end) a few thousand sprocs. So the conversion is non-trivial, but that's the sort of challenge I like. Excuse that aside. What I meant to say is this: 1) No matter how long I live, I shall still continue to use Access. 2) Access cannot deliver a large number of things the contemporary environment requires (such as apps for web, tablet, smart-phone, and who knows what the next platform will be?). 3) Every single hour that I invest in learning Alpha Five, I feel is an hour well-invested. First of all, it's a superior product. Second, even if the co-CEOs of Alpha Five make radically bad decisions, learning Alpha Five involves learning all the languages it supports -- JavaScript, HTML 5, JSON, jQuery and so on. Therefore, every investment you make in these supported languages shall be useful, even in the unlikely event that Alpha Five dies -- which I doubt, to the max! I think these folks have their finger on the pulse of RAD development for the new universe -- phones, tablets and traditional web browsers. What I have learned from importing existing apps is that some of them work beautifully on tablets and phones, and some do not. What I find absent (and perhaps it's already there and I have missed it) is smart-recognition of the data-type of any given field in any given form: In any given date-time field, I want an automatic calendar to appear. This is a cinch in Access. In any given lookup column, I want an automatic dropdown to appear, with the ability to add a new item to said lookup table. On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Kenneth: > > When it comes to Access there are people here who could answer any question > about the product from now going back 10 to 15 years...but few are asking > as > there are few clients using it. That's a fact. Many here are now working in > newer computer disciplines. > > As to your assertion of not filling a niche, there is no niche to fill. If > you making your living with MS Access; you are part of a rare breed. > > So in conclusion: "There is still a viable niche for Access support"...no > there is not. "We are doing a crap-ass job of filling that niche"...what > niche...it is a dimple not a niche. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 3:24 PM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD never changes > > > > > Jim Lawrence: > > > > Hardly depressing...that's life. > > > > Jim, > > You miss the point. What is depressing is that we claim to fill a niche, > namely advice and support for Access. > > And it seems, from this discussion, that we do a worse job of filling that > niche than nearly anybody else. > > Can anybody name even one aspect of our group that is leading the pack? > Number of posts, topicality, new members, search engine visibility? I dare > say not one. > > I would even say we are not even in the middle of the pack for any measure > you would care to name. The strongest point we have, expertise, is surely > eclipsed by any of the much more lively groups mentioned in this > discussion. > > And what is the point of expertise, if there is audience to benefit from > it? > > Whine and moan all you want about the state of Access, but there are two > undeniable points: > > 1. There is still a viable niche for Access support > 2. We are doing a crap-ass job of filling that niche > > -Ken > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6113 - Release Date: 02/18/13 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Feb 22 21:10:30 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 19:10:30 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Changed From "AccessD never changes" to "Sharing ofinformation" In-Reply-To: References: <201302222259.r1MMxnsG001576@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Right on David. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 3:17 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changed From "AccessD never changes" to "Sharing ofinformation" Look into HTML5 http://www.html-5-tutorial.com/ and Javascript http://w3schools.com/js/default.asp You can use those in many places, and you don't need any expensive IDEs to get started. David On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey All > > I would really like to hear from this list how you have been able to remain > productive (with Access sliding down the tubes). What new products have > worked for you, what is the benefit, what is the learning curve. I am > currently following up on Arthur's (the old fart) recommendation to try > AlphaFive. It does look like something I will shortly be purchasing. > > > > Tony Septav > > Nanaimo, BC > > Canada > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Sat Feb 23 07:35:34 2013 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 07:35:34 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Changed From "AccessD never changes" to "Sharing of information" In-Reply-To: <201302222259.r1MMxnsG001576@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201302222259.r1MMxnsG001576@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: I work with Informatica as an ETL tool, Business Objects (now owned by SAP) for reporting and mostly Oracle for a database. I still use Access to pull data out of the Oracle tables though. Hard to break old habits. And the query window in Access is just so quick to put things together. GK On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey All > > I would really like to hear from this list how you have been able to remain > productive (with Access sliding down the tubes). What new products have > worked for you, what is the benefit, what is the learning curve. I am > currently following up on Arthur's (the old fart) recommendation to try > AlphaFive. It does look like something I will shortly be purchasing. > > > > Tony Septav > > Nanaimo, BC > > Canada > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From lmrazek at lcm-res.com Sat Feb 23 08:55:34 2013 From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com (Lawrence Mrazek) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 08:55:34 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Changed From "AccessD never changes" to "Sharing of information" In-Reply-To: <201302222259.r1MMxnsG001576@databaseadvisors.com> References: <201302222259.r1MMxnsG001576@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Pretty much any new development I start is in .NET / C# (finally stopped using Classic ASP several years ago). I also use Telerik Controls and the Google Maps API to make things easier (and to help design a nicer UI) within the .NET projects. Still on the learning curve, but I have been able learn and develop new projects. While I've developed in VB.NET and C#, I start all of my new projects in C# ... one reason is that there are more code samples available in C#. I still maintain several Access DBs (clients don't want to let them go), but even those will eventually be re-written in a new language. I probably spend 10-20% of my time on Access these days. For website only projects, I've used DotNetNuke and Wordpress frameworks, as well as the aspdotnetstorefront e-commerce package. Looking to learn more about mobile development, but right now just trying to be more productive on the .NET platform. Larry Mrazek lmrazek at lcm-res.com On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > Hey All > > I would really like to hear from this list how you have been able to remain > productive (with Access sliding down the tubes). What new products have > worked for you, what is the benefit, what is the learning curve. I am > currently following up on Arthur's (the old fart) recommendation to try > AlphaFive. It does look like something I will shortly be purchasing. > > > > Tony Septav > > Nanaimo, BC > > Canada > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Feb 23 10:04:07 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 08:04:07 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Changed From "AccessD never changes" to "Sharing ofinformation" In-Reply-To: <51280160.31215.4CF4F634@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <201302222259.r1MMxnsG001576@databaseadvisors.com>, <51280160.31215.4CF4F634@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <80E170D959DF4114A539FD32C91FCC7E@creativesystemdesigns.com> And lets not forget Ruby, Python, ASP.Net and JavaScript for Node. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 3:38 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changed From "AccessD never changes" to "Sharing ofinformation" And PHP for the back end. It runs on all the main web servers. -- Stuart On 22 Feb 2013 at 15:16, David McAfee wrote: > Look into HTML5 http://www.html-5-tutorial.com/ > > and Javascript http://w3schools.com/js/default.asp > > You can use those in many places, and you don't need any expensive IDEs to > get started. > > David > > On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Tony Septav wrote: > > > Hey All > > > > I would really like to hear from this list how you have been able to remain > > productive (with Access sliding down the tubes). What new products have > > worked for you, what is the benefit, what is the learning curve. I am > > currently following up on Arthur's (the old fart) recommendation to try > > AlphaFive. It does look like something I will shortly be purchasing. > > > > > > > > Tony Septav > > > > Nanaimo, BC > > > > Canada > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Feb 23 10:08:07 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 08:08:07 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <452BA9DC31F64FDFB9CB3255B13AF645@creativesystemdesigns.com> Well said Charlotte. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 4:31 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD never changes Ken, I doubt you'll find much fluster in this group, but thanks for thinking we're still capable of it. Access is moving away from the mossy backs; but as I just discovered from a phone interview, users are still rolling their own Access databases (along with some VB 6 developers who don't really think in Access) and IT departments still need people to help document, untangle, and migrate them because IT DOESN'T SUPPORT ACCESS! I don't know how I would make a living doing such a thing, but I do get contract work from it on occasion. The point is, we can't make Access relevant by simply applying our brains to it, no matter how many people post. I will be playing with Access 2013 on Windows 8 to see what it might offer for that kind of platform, but I don't expect there to be a rush to use it. The gap between user and developer has widened with Windows 8/Access 2013 even further than it was before. I'm not even sure how a newcomer could learn to build anything in 2013 on the new platform, so I'm fiddling with it. Trying to move the list to a new platform is even more of a disconnect, and I wouldn't encourage anyone to try it without wearing Kevlar No hard feelings. I don't take anything personally anymore! Charlotte On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Kenneth Ismert wrote: > > > > Charlotte Foust > > > > Why should we be leading a pack? ... > > > > Charlotte, > > I think the group in the past has brought up a lot of people from relative > noob status to fairly competent developers. For a serious newcomer, this > was where the rubber met the road. > > Anyhow, this topic has a a familiar devolution: > > Dissenter: The group is going downhill! > Group: What?!? We love it like this -- it should never change! (Long > reminiscences about the glory days of the past) > Dissenter: Show numbers that demonstrate a growing group. > Group: (silence) > Dissenter: Show one way that we are relevant, or excel in some way that > would draw new people in. > Group: Why should we be relevant? We don't like those new people anyway. > Dissenter: What about Groups X, Y and Z, all of which have bigger-name > experts, higher post volumes and more on-topic posts? > Group: (grumble mumble) > Dissenter: So what exactly is our purpose? Shouldn't we own up to the fact > that we have become an old fart's social club? > Group: Why, if it wasn't for our lumbago, we'd get after you, you > rapscallion! > > It's just funny to me how many people here are not willing to acknowledge > the obvious, and are flustered by those who point it out. > > -Ken > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kathryn at bassett.net Sat Feb 23 11:04:31 2013 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 09:04:31 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: References: <0CCB561E0B71472DBA46D7FBF0E8B398@XPS> <51250BD7.3040008@gmail.com> <54D55DC9565C408CB29E6BE0A2261EA2@XPS> Message-ID: The forums that I belong to, while they DO give an email notification, only say something like "there has been a reply", or just a snippet of the reply, still requiring one to go to the forum to read it. Kathryn > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd- > bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman > Sent: 21 Feb 2013 4:42 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD never changes > > < having to remember to GO to the web to look at a forum.>> > > Every forum I belong to has e-mail notifications and you can choose to have > it e-mail you once a new post is seen and then not again, or for every new > post. > > You can also have it notify you if a new topic is posted either immediately, or > in digest format (hourly, daily, weekly). > > In both cases, enough of the post/topic text is included (if not all) so that > you can decide if you want to click on the link or not. > > Really, forums give you far more manageability then what we currently have > with the list. > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn > Bassett > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 10:56 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD never changes > > Jim said: > > Personally I think you should just throw everything in one list > > (except > for > > OT) at this point and let people filter out what they want with their > e-mail > > client. Either that or convert to a forum with a few sub boards so > > it's > more in > > everyone's face that there are conversations going on in other areas. > > I hate forums. I want things that will come TO me in email rather than my > having to remember to GO to the web to look at a forum. > > -- > Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) > "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" > kathryn at bassett.net > http://bassett.net > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Feb 23 11:35:12 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 09:35:12 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: References: <0CCB561E0B71472DBA46D7FBF0E8B398@XPS><51250BD7.3040008@gmail.com> <54D55DC9565C408CB29E6BE0A2261EA2@XPS> Message-ID: <4C0727AAF6E54A67BE8B504AFB6B9EC9@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Kathryn: ...And that is the difference between a free "broadcast" system, like we have and a centralized "forum" system that needs to count the hits to tailor and capitalize on the content's popularity. In addition, there is no pretence or ability to enforce any privacy within a standard forum environment. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn Bassett Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 9:05 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD never changes The forums that I belong to, while they DO give an email notification, only say something like "there has been a reply", or just a snippet of the reply, still requiring one to go to the forum to read it. Kathryn > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd- > bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman > Sent: 21 Feb 2013 4:42 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD never changes > > < having to remember to GO to the web to look at a forum.>> > > Every forum I belong to has e-mail notifications and you can choose to have > it e-mail you once a new post is seen and then not again, or for every new > post. > > You can also have it notify you if a new topic is posted either immediately, or > in digest format (hourly, daily, weekly). > > In both cases, enough of the post/topic text is included (if not all) so that > you can decide if you want to click on the link or not. > > Really, forums give you far more manageability then what we currently have > with the list. > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn > Bassett > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 10:56 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD never changes > > Jim said: > > Personally I think you should just throw everything in one list > > (except > for > > OT) at this point and let people filter out what they want with their > e-mail > > client. Either that or convert to a forum with a few sub boards so > > it's > more in > > everyone's face that there are conversations going on in other areas. > > I hate forums. I want things that will come TO me in email rather than my > having to remember to GO to the web to look at a forum. > > -- > Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) > "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" > kathryn at bassett.net > http://bassett.net > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Feb 23 12:12:19 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 13:12:19 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Bound Forms Question Message-ID: When Access opens a form bound to a table, how many records does it read? All of them or just the first *n* rows? Does performance of the form relate to the size of the table? TIA, Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Feb 23 12:57:56 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 13:57:56 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Always on Top Form? Message-ID: Is there a way to create a form in Access that will Always on Top (without necessarily having the focus? TIA, Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Feb 23 13:29:53 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 11:29:53 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Bound Forms Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Arthur: Apparently all records matching any criteria given as you can check the record-count and it should match. Whether that is what is really being done, behind the scenes, is a question. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 10:12 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Bound Forms Question When Access opens a form bound to a table, how many records does it read? All of them or just the first *n* rows? Does performance of the form relate to the size of the table? TIA, Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Feb 23 13:32:36 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 11:32:36 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Always on Top Form? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Arthur: Check the form module and popup property. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 10:58 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Always on Top Form? Is there a way to create a form in Access that will Always on Top (without necessarily having the focus? TIA, Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Feb 23 14:13:06 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 15:13:06 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Bound Forms Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yeah, Jim, that was exactly my question. I suppose that I can generate a million rows in a table and find out. I'll let you know what results I come up with. A. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Feb 23 14:17:21 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 15:17:21 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Always on Top Form? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That did it. Beautiful! Until now, I never had the need to do that. I like it. A. From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Feb 23 14:36:10 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 12:36:10 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Bound Forms Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Arthur: I have always, at least as far back as 1997, used recordsets to manage all my data so a record count has already been pre-established before a temp table and form was populated. Never had data issues even with 100K new records being added. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 12:13 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bound Forms Question Yeah, Jim, that was exactly my question. I suppose that I can generate a million rows in a table and find out. I'll let you know what results I come up with. A. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Feb 23 14:41:31 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 12:41:31 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Always on Top Form? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02CA20066FED4C01AC986B45AFA191B6@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Arthur: Just a note; could you please leave some data from the previous post in the thread as with no data available there is sometimes no way to guess what your current post is referring to...this is not a forum type list and our message space is definitely not that limited. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 12:17 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Always on Top Form? That did it. Beautiful! Until now, I never had the need to do that. I like it. A. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Sat Feb 23 15:15:53 2013 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 16:15:53 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Bound Forms Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Like any good answer; it depends The number was never been pushed and I don't believe it's hard and fast. Access/JET decides based on the record source if it will fully populate the record set or not before returning to the form. That's why .RecordCount is not guaranteed to be accurate. All you can count on is if it's > 0, you have records. To get an accurate count, you force Access to populate the whole thing by doing a .MoveLast. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 01:12 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Bound Forms Question When Access opens a form bound to a table, how many records does it read? All of them or just the first *n* rows? Does performance of the form relate to the size of the table? TIA, Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Feb 23 15:34:37 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 16:34:37 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Always on Top Form? In-Reply-To: <02CA20066FED4C01AC986B45AFA191B6@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <02CA20066FED4C01AC986B45AFA191B6@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: You got it, Jim! I've been having fun converting several Access apps to use MySQL as the BE instead. It's wonderful how effortless it is. There's a cool utility called "MS Access to MySQL" that will convert an Access database to a MySQL database in a few clicks, and it's got some options that let you do things like convert yes/no values to 0 and 1 instead of 0 and -1. Then I create a new Access FE and set up a new ODBC connection to the new MySQL database. Then I import all the forms, queries, modules and reports. Presto, it's done in a very few minutes (mileage depending on table sizes of course). (I'm doing this in prep for a gig involving Access+MySQL.) On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Arthur: > > Just a note; could you please leave some data from the previous post in the > thread as with no data available there is sometimes no way to guess what > your current post is referring to...this is not a forum type list and our > message space is definitely not that limited. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 12:17 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Always on Top Form? > > That did it. Beautiful! Until now, I never had the need to do that. I like > it. > > A. > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Feb 23 16:45:29 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 14:45:29 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Always on Top Form? In-Reply-To: References: <02CA20066FED4C01AC986B45AFA191B6@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Hi Arthur: Keep us posted on your progress. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 1:35 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Always on Top Form? You got it, Jim! I've been having fun converting several Access apps to use MySQL as the BE instead. It's wonderful how effortless it is. There's a cool utility called "MS Access to MySQL" that will convert an Access database to a MySQL database in a few clicks, and it's got some options that let you do things like convert yes/no values to 0 and 1 instead of 0 and -1. Then I create a new Access FE and set up a new ODBC connection to the new MySQL database. Then I import all the forms, queries, modules and reports. Presto, it's done in a very few minutes (mileage depending on table sizes of course). (I'm doing this in prep for a gig involving Access+MySQL.) On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Arthur: > > Just a note; could you please leave some data from the previous post in the > thread as with no data available there is sometimes no way to guess what > your current post is referring to...this is not a forum type list and our > message space is definitely not that limited. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 12:17 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Always on Top Form? > > That did it. Beautiful! Until now, I never had the need to do that. I like > it. > > A. > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From BradM at blackforestltd.com Sat Feb 23 17:19:49 2013 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 17:19:49 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Inquiry System Built With Access 2007 ? Performance Concern - Partial Key References: <201302222259.r1MMxnsG001576@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: All, We have an Inquiry System that obtains data from a purchased package?s SQL Server database via ODBC. The Inquiry System works nicely and response time is quite fast for all screens. We are not able to change any of the tables, keys, relationships, indexes, etc. in any of the tables in the purchased system. We can only read the data. Recently, a request has been made where we will need to pull data that will come from a table that has not been used by the Inquiry System before. Here is the catch. The new table that we now want to pull data from has a two-part key (Part_ID, and Routing_Sequence_Number). Currently the Inquiry System does not have the second part of the key available. Only the Part_ID is available, not the Routing_Sequence_Number. (Not all Parts have routings, all we need to discern is whether a part has a routing or not) When we try to obtain data from this table with only the Part_ID, the data is returned, but response time is slow. This table has about 2,000 rows. I am considering two approaches and decided to see if anyone else has run into something similar and has advice. Approach-1. Build an Access table from the SQL Server table, that has only Part_ID for the key. Approach-2. Use the SQL Server data to build an array when the inquiry system is first initiated then obtain the data from the array. I would guess that there may be other approaches that would work better. I appreciate your assistance. Thanks, Brad From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Feb 23 22:42:35 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 20:42:35 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Inquiry System Built With Access 2007 ? PerformanceConcern - Partial Key In-Reply-To: References: <201302222259.r1MMxnsG001576@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <9A1081E8852C4C69A73741FAD61F8293@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Brad: Pulling data from a table of only 2000 records should be almost instantaneous. (I have pulled 100K from an MS SQL server in less than 2 seconds...) If there are 2000 rows pull it all with no keys or restriction. The fastest method is using a forward-only recordset... Public Function GetMyData() Dim objCmd As ADODB.Command Dim adoRS As ADODB.Recordset Dim gstrConnection as String ' Your ODBC connection string data gstrConnection = "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Initial Catalog=ThePartsDatabase; Data Source=TheMSSQLServerName;Integrated Security=SSPI" ' Your recordset command parameters Set objCmd = New ADODB.Command With objCmd .ActiveConnection = gstrConnection .CommandText = "My MSSQL PartsTable name" .CommandType = adCmdTable End With ' Open a new recordset instances and populate it. ' Notice that we use the forward only recordset and minimal lock type ' for speed Set adoRS = New ADODB.Recordset adoRS.Open objCmd, , adOpenForwardOnly, adLockReadOnly ' Recordset adoRS is now filled... With adoRS If .BOF = False And .EOF = False Then ... After that you can open a blank table and fill it with the contents of the Recordset and manipulate to your hearts content. HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 3:20 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Inquiry System Built With Access 2007 ? PerformanceConcern - Partial Key All, We have an Inquiry System that obtains data from a purchased package's SQL Server database via ODBC. The Inquiry System works nicely and response time is quite fast for all screens. We are not able to change any of the tables, keys, relationships, indexes, etc. in any of the tables in the purchased system. We can only read the data. Recently, a request has been made where we will need to pull data that will come from a table that has not been used by the Inquiry System before. Here is the catch. The new table that we now want to pull data from has a two-part key (Part_ID, and Routing_Sequence_Number). Currently the Inquiry System does not have the second part of the key available. Only the Part_ID is available, not the Routing_Sequence_Number. (Not all Parts have routings, all we need to discern is whether a part has a routing or not) When we try to obtain data from this table with only the Part_ID, the data is returned, but response time is slow. This table has about 2,000 rows. I am considering two approaches and decided to see if anyone else has run into something similar and has advice. Approach-1. Build an Access table from the SQL Server table, that has only Part_ID for the key. Approach-2. Use the SQL Server data to build an array when the inquiry system is first initiated then obtain the data from the array. I would guess that there may be other approaches that would work better. I appreciate your assistance. Thanks, Brad From jimdettman at verizon.net Sun Feb 24 10:03:49 2013 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 11:03:49 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Inquiry System Built With Access 2007 ? Performance Concern - Partial Key In-Reply-To: References: <201302222259.r1MMxnsG001576@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <33734CB7D9204CC48E2896669004A914@XPS> Brad, <> While you cannot change anything existing, can you add a view to the SQL database? <> Not sure I understand this part. When you link the table, do you see the index with both fields and is that set as the PK field or no? Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 06:20 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Inquiry System Built With Access 2007 ? Performance Concern - Partial Key All, We have an Inquiry System that obtains data from a purchased package's SQL Server database via ODBC. The Inquiry System works nicely and response time is quite fast for all screens. We are not able to change any of the tables, keys, relationships, indexes, etc. in any of the tables in the purchased system. We can only read the data. Recently, a request has been made where we will need to pull data that will come from a table that has not been used by the Inquiry System before. Here is the catch. The new table that we now want to pull data from has a two-part key (Part_ID, and Routing_Sequence_Number). Currently the Inquiry System does not have the second part of the key available. Only the Part_ID is available, not the Routing_Sequence_Number. (Not all Parts have routings, all we need to discern is whether a part has a routing or not) When we try to obtain data from this table with only the Part_ID, the data is returned, but response time is slow. This table has about 2,000 rows. I am considering two approaches and decided to see if anyone else has run into something similar and has advice. Approach-1. Build an Access table from the SQL Server table, that has only Part_ID for the key. Approach-2. Use the SQL Server data to build an array when the inquiry system is first initiated then obtain the data from the array. I would guess that there may be other approaches that would work better. I appreciate your assistance. Thanks, Brad From BradM at blackforestltd.com Sun Feb 24 10:30:05 2013 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 10:30:05 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Inquiry System Built With Access 2007 Performance Concern Partial Key References: <201302222259.r1MMxnsG001576@databaseadvisors.com> <33734CB7D9204CC48E2896669004A914@XPS> Message-ID: Jim, Thanks for your assistance. >> While you cannot change anything existing, can you add a view to the SQL >> database? We are not able to add views to the SQL-Server database. We cannot make any updates to anything, except to update data via the purchased package front-end screens. >> Not sure I understand this part. When you link the table, do you see the >> index with both fields and is that set as the PK field or no? It appears that the table has a compound key (Part-ID and Routing-Sequence-Number). The Access-based Inquiry system that we have built has the Part-ID, but not the Routing Sequence-Number available. When I tried to join this table in one of the existing queries, the data was returned, but it took a long time. I have tried several variations of the query and ran quite a few tests. Due to the slowness, I have started to consider alternative approaches. I don't have a lot of experience with obtaining data from a table with only a partial key. I would guess that a sweep of the entire table is being performed, therefore the slowness. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Jim Dettman Sent: Sun 2/24/2013 10:03 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Inquiry System Built With Access 2007 ?Performance Concern - Partial Key Brad, <> While you cannot change anything existing, can you add a view to the SQL database? <> Not sure I understand this part. When you link the table, do you see the index with both fields and is that set as the PK field or no? Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 06:20 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Inquiry System Built With Access 2007 ? Performance Concern - Partial Key All, We have an Inquiry System that obtains data from a purchased package's SQL Server database via ODBC. The Inquiry System works nicely and response time is quite fast for all screens. We are not able to change any of the tables, keys, relationships, indexes, etc. in any of the tables in the purchased system. We can only read the data. Recently, a request has been made where we will need to pull data that will come from a table that has not been used by the Inquiry System before. Here is the catch. The new table that we now want to pull data from has a two-part key (Part_ID, and Routing_Sequence_Number). Currently the Inquiry System does not have the second part of the key available. Only the Part_ID is available, not the Routing_Sequence_Number. (Not all Parts have routings, all we need to discern is whether a part has a routing or not) When we try to obtain data from this table with only the Part_ID, the data is returned, but response time is slow. This table has about 2,000 rows. I am considering two approaches and decided to see if anyone else has run into something similar and has advice. Approach-1. Build an Access table from the SQL Server table, that has only Part_ID for the key. Approach-2. Use the SQL Server data to build an array when the inquiry system is first initiated then obtain the data from the array. I would guess that there may be other approaches that would work better. I appreciate your assistance. Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From jimdettman at verizon.net Sun Feb 24 11:29:55 2013 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 12:29:55 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Inquiry System Built With Access 2007 PerformanceConcern Partial Key In-Reply-To: References: <201302222259.r1MMxnsG001576@databaseadvisors.com> <33734CB7D9204CC48E2896669004A914@XPS> Message-ID: Try adding a pseudo index on the Access side (add a index on the linked table just on the part ID). Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:30 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Inquiry System Built With Access 2007 PerformanceConcern Partial Key Jim, Thanks for your assistance. >> While you cannot change anything existing, can you add a view to the SQL >> database? We are not able to add views to the SQL-Server database. We cannot make any updates to anything, except to update data via the purchased package front-end screens. >> Not sure I understand this part. When you link the table, do you see the >> index with both fields and is that set as the PK field or no? It appears that the table has a compound key (Part-ID and Routing-Sequence-Number). The Access-based Inquiry system that we have built has the Part-ID, but not the Routing Sequence-Number available. When I tried to join this table in one of the existing queries, the data was returned, but it took a long time. I have tried several variations of the query and ran quite a few tests. Due to the slowness, I have started to consider alternative approaches. I don't have a lot of experience with obtaining data from a table with only a partial key. I would guess that a sweep of the entire table is being performed, therefore the slowness. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Jim Dettman Sent: Sun 2/24/2013 10:03 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Inquiry System Built With Access 2007 ?Performance Concern - Partial Key Brad, <> While you cannot change anything existing, can you add a view to the SQL database? <> Not sure I understand this part. When you link the table, do you see the index with both fields and is that set as the PK field or no? Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 06:20 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Inquiry System Built With Access 2007 ? Performance Concern - Partial Key All, We have an Inquiry System that obtains data from a purchased package's SQL Server database via ODBC. The Inquiry System works nicely and response time is quite fast for all screens. We are not able to change any of the tables, keys, relationships, indexes, etc. in any of the tables in the purchased system. We can only read the data. Recently, a request has been made where we will need to pull data that will come from a table that has not been used by the Inquiry System before. Here is the catch. The new table that we now want to pull data from has a two-part key (Part_ID, and Routing_Sequence_Number). Currently the Inquiry System does not have the second part of the key available. Only the Part_ID is available, not the Routing_Sequence_Number. (Not all Parts have routings, all we need to discern is whether a part has a routing or not) When we try to obtain data from this table with only the Part_ID, the data is returned, but response time is slow. This table has about 2,000 rows. I am considering two approaches and decided to see if anyone else has run into something similar and has advice. Approach-1. Build an Access table from the SQL Server table, that has only Part_ID for the key. Approach-2. Use the SQL Server data to build an array when the inquiry system is first initiated then obtain the data from the array. I would guess that there may be other approaches that would work better. I appreciate your assistance. Thanks, Brad -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Feb 24 12:16:01 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 13:16:01 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet Message-ID: I'm playing around with ways to do this but am running into a problem. The form_open looks like this: Dim db As DAO.Database Dim rs As DAO.Recordset Dim strSQL As String Set db = CurrentDb strSQL = "SELECT * FROM Volunteers WHERE LastName IS NOT NULL " & _ "ORDER BY LastName" '---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ' Open the recordset '---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL) With rs If .EOF And .BOF Then MsgBox "No records returned." Else .MoveFirst While Not .EOF Debug.Print rs("VolunteerID"), rs("LastName") .MoveNext Wend End If End With MsgBox "Setting new record source" Debug.Print "Setting new record source" 'Here's where I get busted: 'Set Me.RecordSource = rs rs.Close Set rs = Nothing End Sub I read something from microsoft on how to bind a form to a recordset but the example was bound to a SQL Server db, and I wanted to keep it simple - just create a local recordset and then assign it to the recordsource. So I'm confused. Every previous time I've altered RecordSource it's been by substituting a string. But the code in the MS example uses exactly the syntax that failed me above. Any suggestions, people? -- Arthur From ssharkins at gmail.com Sun Feb 24 12:26:13 2013 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 13:26:13 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet References: Message-ID: <307974813E6D46CCB18B4531F123CFD0@SusanHarkins> The Form object has a Recordset property -- maybe that's what you're thinking of? http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/bb216001(v=office.12).aspx Susan H. > I'm playing around with ways to do this but am running into a problem. > > The form_open looks like this: > > > Dim db As DAO.Database > Dim rs As DAO.Recordset > Dim strSQL As String > > Set db = CurrentDb > strSQL = "SELECT * FROM Volunteers WHERE LastName IS NOT NULL " & _ > "ORDER BY LastName" > '---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ' Open the recordset > '---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL) > > With rs > If .EOF And .BOF Then > MsgBox "No records returned." > Else > .MoveFirst > While Not .EOF > Debug.Print rs("VolunteerID"), rs("LastName") > .MoveNext > Wend > End If > End With > > MsgBox "Setting new record source" > Debug.Print "Setting new record source" > > 'Here's where I get busted: > 'Set Me.RecordSource = rs > > rs.Close > Set rs = Nothing > End Sub > > > I read something from microsoft on how to bind a form to a recordset but > the example was bound to a SQL Server db, and I wanted to keep it simple - > just create a local recordset and then assign it to the recordsource. > > So I'm confused. Every previous time I've altered RecordSource it's been > by > substituting a string. But the code in the MS example uses exactly the > syntax that failed me above. > > Any suggestions, people? > > -- > Arthur > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jackandpat.d at gmail.com Sun Feb 24 12:41:44 2013 From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 13:41:44 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Arthur, I would try Me.Recordsource = strSQL rather than rs Just a guess. On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I'm playing around with ways to do this but am running into a problem. > > The form_open looks like this: > > > Dim db As DAO.Database > Dim rs As DAO.Recordset > Dim strSQL As String > > Set db = CurrentDb > strSQL = "SELECT * FROM Volunteers WHERE LastName IS NOT NULL " & _ > "ORDER BY LastName" > > '---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ' Open the recordset > > '---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL) > > With rs > If .EOF And .BOF Then > MsgBox "No records returned." > Else > .MoveFirst > While Not .EOF > Debug.Print rs("VolunteerID"), rs("LastName") > .MoveNext > Wend > End If > End With > > MsgBox "Setting new record source" > Debug.Print "Setting new record source" > > 'Here's where I get busted: > 'Set Me.RecordSource = rs > > rs.Close > Set rs = Nothing > End Sub > > > I read something from microsoft on how to bind a form to a recordset but > the example was bound to a SQL Server db, and I wanted to keep it simple - > just create a local recordset and then assign it to the recordsource. > > So I'm confused. Every previous time I've altered RecordSource it's been by > substituting a string. But the code in the MS example uses exactly the > syntax that failed me above. > > Any suggestions, people? > > -- > Arthur > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Feb 24 12:55:32 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 13:55:32 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ah, Susan! My lovely little duck! I didn't even look up the link you provided. I knew at once that you were right. A quick edit and presto. Thanks! A. On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 1:41 PM, jack drawbridge wrote: > Arthur, > > I would try > Me.Recordsource = strSQL > > rather than rs > > Just a guess. > > On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Arthur Fuller >wrote: > > > I'm playing around with ways to do this but am running into a problem. > > > > The form_open looks like this: > > > > > > Dim db As DAO.Database > > Dim rs As DAO.Recordset > > Dim strSQL As String > > > > Set db = CurrentDb > > strSQL = "SELECT * FROM Volunteers WHERE LastName IS NOT NULL " & _ > > "ORDER BY LastName" > > > > > '---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ' Open the recordset > > > > > '---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL) > > > > With rs > > If .EOF And .BOF Then > > MsgBox "No records returned." > > Else > > .MoveFirst > > While Not .EOF > > Debug.Print rs("VolunteerID"), rs("LastName") > > .MoveNext > > Wend > > End If > > End With > > > > MsgBox "Setting new record source" > > Debug.Print "Setting new record source" > > > > 'Here's where I get busted: > > 'Set Me.RecordSource = rs > > > > rs.Close > > Set rs = Nothing > > End Sub > > > > > > I read something from microsoft on how to bind a form to a recordset but > > the example was bound to a SQL Server db, and I wanted to keep it simple > - > > just create a local recordset and then assign it to the recordsource. > > > > So I'm confused. Every previous time I've altered RecordSource it's been > by > > substituting a string. But the code in the MS example uses exactly the > > syntax that failed me above. > > > > Any suggestions, people? > > > > -- > > Arthur > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun Feb 24 13:07:33 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 23:07:33 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Bind_Form_to_RecordSet?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1361732853.244530204@f263.mail.ru> Hi Arthur -- Access forms can be bound to ADODB recordsets only. -- Shamil ???????????, 24 ??????? 2013, 13:16 -05:00 ?? Arthur Fuller : >I'm playing around with ways to do this but am running into a problem. > >The form_open looks like this: > > >Dim db As DAO.Database >Dim rs As DAO.Recordset >Dim strSQL As String > >Set db = CurrentDb >strSQL = "SELECT * FROM Volunteers WHERE LastName IS NOT NULL " & _ >?????????"ORDER BY LastName" >'---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >' Open the recordset >'---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL) > >With rs >????If .EOF And .BOF Then >????????MsgBox "No records returned." >????Else >????????.MoveFirst >????????While Not .EOF >????????????Debug.Print rs("VolunteerID"), rs("LastName") >????????????.MoveNext >????????Wend >????End If >End With > >MsgBox "Setting new record source" >Debug.Print "Setting new record source" > >'Here's where I get busted: >'Set Me.RecordSource = rs > >rs.Close >Set rs = Nothing >End Sub > > >I read something from microsoft on how to bind a form to a recordset but >the example was bound to a SQL Server db, and I wanted to keep it simple - >just create a local recordset and then assign it to the recordsource. > >So I'm confused. Every previous time I've altered RecordSource it's been by >substituting a string. But the code in the MS example uses exactly the >syntax that failed me above. > >Any suggestions, people? > >-- >Arthur >-- >AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marksimms at verizon.net Sun Feb 24 14:29:25 2013 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 15:29:25 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Changed From "AccessD never changes" to "Sharing of information" In-Reply-To: References: <201302222259.r1MMxnsG001576@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <01d501ce12cd$a3656550$ea302ff0$@net> Re: Wordpress "framework" - is there a link with more information ? I've been looking for a blog framework for a secure, personal website....as I cannot use the Wordpress website for obvious reasons (it would be taken down by lawyers). > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd- > bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Mrazek > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 9:56 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changed From "AccessD never changes" to "Sharing > of information" > > Pretty much any new development I start is in .NET / C# (finally > stopped > using Classic ASP several years ago). I also use Telerik Controls and > the > Google Maps API to make things easier (and to help design a nicer UI) > within the .NET projects. Still on the learning curve, but I have been > able > learn and develop new projects. > > While I've developed in VB.NET and C#, I start all of my new projects > in C# > ... one reason is that there are more code samples available in C#. > > I still maintain several Access DBs (clients don't want to let them > go), > but even those will eventually be re-written in a new language. I > probably > spend 10-20% of my time on Access these days. > > For website only projects, I've used DotNetNuke and Wordpress > frameworks, > as well as the aspdotnetstorefront e-commerce package. > > Looking to learn more about mobile development, but right now just > trying > to be more productive on the .NET platform. > > Larry Mrazek > lmrazek at lcm-res.com > > On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Tony Septav > wrote: > > > Hey All > > > > I would really like to hear from this list how you have been able to > remain > > productive (with Access sliding down the tubes). What new products > have > > worked for you, what is the benefit, what is the learning curve. I am > > currently following up on Arthur's (the old fart) recommendation to > try > > AlphaFive. It does look like something I will shortly be purchasing. > > > > > > > > Tony Septav > > > > Nanaimo, BC > > > > Canada > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marksimms at verizon.net Sun Feb 24 14:34:06 2013 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 15:34:06 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: <751A3F2D0C684E2187FA9407DF47A974@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <201302222211.r1MMBCSt001413@databaseadvisors.com> <751A3F2D0C684E2187FA9407DF47A974@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <01d601ce12ce$4b339e00$e19ada00$@net> Re: " The big factor is of course is our willingess to put in unlimited time and effort. ;-)" See, the current market for IT contractors makes the above a "killer". Doctors, Lawyers, Dentists, CPA's must all keep up their credentials.... But then again, they're making $150-$250 per hour. That makes it a no brainer. For us for poor suckers under $100/hr, this becomes a questionable activity economically. In fact in my area, the agencies are saying anyone making $60/hr with strong SQL and analytical skills is doing "good". To me, that's pathetic. No benefits, no healthcare, no 401k, no nothing. > Hi Tony: > > In one word the "web". > > There are so many opportunities and disciplines to select and to > master. > > Web page UI, JavaScript coding, graphics, servers and web servers, > dozens of > webserver languages, web databases from SQL to Map Reduce, to the > Clouds... > and then there are content providers, columnists, sales and social > sites of > every ilk. > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Feb 24 14:50:20 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 15:50:20 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet In-Reply-To: <1361732853.244530204@f263.mail.ru> References: <1361732853.244530204@f263.mail.ru> Message-ID: Thanks for that, Shamil. A. On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi Arthur -- > > Access forms can be bound to ADODB recordsets only. > > -- Shamil > > ???????????, 24 ??????? 2013, 13:16 -05:00 ?? Arthur Fuller < > fuller.artful at gmail.com>: > >I'm playing around with ways to do this but am running into a problem. > > > >The form_open looks like this: > > > > > >Dim db As DAO.Database > >Dim rs As DAO.Recordset > >Dim strSQL As String > > > >Set db = CurrentDb > >strSQL = "SELECT * FROM Volunteers WHERE LastName IS NOT NULL " & _ > > "ORDER BY LastName" > > >'---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >' Open the recordset > > >'---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL) > > > >With rs > > If .EOF And .BOF Then > > MsgBox "No records returned." > > Else > > .MoveFirst > > While Not .EOF > > Debug.Print rs("VolunteerID"), rs("LastName") > > .MoveNext > > Wend > > End If > >End With > > > >MsgBox "Setting new record source" > >Debug.Print "Setting new record source" > > > >'Here's where I get busted: > >'Set Me.RecordSource = rs > > > >rs.Close > >Set rs = Nothing > >End Sub > > > > > >I read something from microsoft on how to bind a form to a recordset but > >the example was bound to a SQL Server db, and I wanted to keep it simple - > >just create a local recordset and then assign it to the recordsource. > > > >So I'm confused. Every previous time I've altered RecordSource it's been > by > >substituting a string. But the code in the MS example uses exactly the > >syntax that failed me above. > > > >Any suggestions, people? > > > >-- > >Arthur > >-- > >AccessD mailing list > >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Feb 24 15:44:07 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 07:44:07 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Changed From "AccessD never changes" to "Sharing of information" In-Reply-To: <01d501ce12cd$a3656550$ea302ff0$@net> References: <201302222259.r1MMxnsG001576@databaseadvisors.com>, , <01d501ce12cd$a3656550$ea302ff0$@net> Message-ID: <512A89A7.4935.56D94C44@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> http://wordpress.org/about/requirements/ To run WordPress your host just needs a couple of things: PHP version 5.2.4 or greater MySQL version 5.0 or greater http://codex.wordpress.org/Installing_WordPress WordPress is well known for its ease of installation. 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However, if you wish to install WordPress yourself, the following guide will help. ... -- Stuart On 24 Feb 2013 at 15:29, Mark Simms wrote: > Re: Wordpress "framework" - is there a link with more information ? > I've been looking for a blog framework for a secure, personal website....as > I cannot use the Wordpress website for obvious reasons (it would be taken > down by lawyers). > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd- > > bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Mrazek > > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 9:56 AM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changed From "AccessD never changes" to "Sharing > > of information" > > > > Pretty much any new development I start is in .NET / C# (finally > > stopped > > using Classic ASP several years ago). I also use Telerik Controls and > > the > > Google Maps API to make things easier (and to help design a nicer UI) > > within the .NET projects. Still on the learning curve, but I have been > > able > > learn and develop new projects. > > > > While I've developed in VB.NET and C#, I start all of my new projects > > in C# > > ... one reason is that there are more code samples available in C#. > > > > I still maintain several Access DBs (clients don't want to let them > > go), > > but even those will eventually be re-written in a new language. I > > probably > > spend 10-20% of my time on Access these days. > > > > For website only projects, I've used DotNetNuke and Wordpress > > frameworks, > > as well as the aspdotnetstorefront e-commerce package. > > > > Looking to learn more about mobile development, but right now just > > trying > > to be more productive on the .NET platform. > > > > Larry Mrazek > > lmrazek at lcm-res.com > > > > On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Tony Septav > > wrote: > > > > > Hey All > > > > > > I would really like to hear from this list how you have been able to > > remain > > > productive (with Access sliding down the tubes). What new products > > have > > > worked for you, what is the benefit, what is the learning curve. I am > > > currently following up on Arthur's (the old fart) recommendation to > > try > > > AlphaFive. It does look like something I will shortly be purchasing. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tony Septav > > > > > > Nanaimo, BC > > > > > > Canada > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From vbacreations at gmail.com Sun Feb 24 15:51:55 2013 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 16:51:55 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet In-Reply-To: <1361732853.244530204@f263.mail.ru> References: <1361732853.244530204@f263.mail.ru> Message-ID: What the ...??? Maybe I am coming in too late on this thread to understand the import of this statement, which all are apparently taking as fact so I guess I may as well take it as fact too ... but ... I *never* would have thought that access forms could be bound only to adodb recordsets as opposed to DAO recordsets. I mean after all, ADO came along later in the Access lifecycle than DAO, correct? And weren't forms always able to be bound to recordsets? I feel totally lost in this. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 2:08 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet Hi Arthur -- Access forms can be bound to ADODB recordsets only. -- Shamil ???????????, 24 ??????? 2013, 13:16 -05:00 ?? Arthur Fuller : >I'm playing around with ways to do this but am running into a problem. > >The form_open looks like this: > > >Dim db As DAO.Database >Dim rs As DAO.Recordset >Dim strSQL As String > >Set db = CurrentDb >strSQL = "SELECT * FROM Volunteers WHERE LastName IS NOT NULL " & _ > "ORDER BY LastName" >'---------------------------------------------------------------------- >------------------------ >' Open the recordset >'---------------------------------------------------------------------- >------------------------ >Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL) > >With rs > If .EOF And .BOF Then > MsgBox "No records returned." > Else > .MoveFirst > While Not .EOF > Debug.Print rs("VolunteerID"), rs("LastName") > .MoveNext > Wend > End If >End With > >MsgBox "Setting new record source" >Debug.Print "Setting new record source" > >'Here's where I get busted: >'Set Me.RecordSource = rs > >rs.Close >Set rs = Nothing >End Sub > > >I read something from microsoft on how to bind a form to a recordset >but the example was bound to a SQL Server db, and I wanted to keep it >simple - just create a local recordset and then assign it to the recordsource. > >So I'm confused. Every previous time I've altered RecordSource it's >been by substituting a string. But the code in the MS example uses >exactly the syntax that failed me above. > >Any suggestions, people? > >-- >Arthur >-- >AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Sun Feb 24 15:58:17 2013 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 16:58:17 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet References: Message-ID: <39B1E82B59AE451580BBC11BC7BF89B6@SusanHarkins> Quack! :) Susan H. > Ah, Susan! My lovely little duck! I didn't even look up the link you > provided. I knew at once that you were right. A quick edit and presto. > > Thanks! > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Feb 24 16:45:41 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 17:45:41 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet In-Reply-To: <39B1E82B59AE451580BBC11BC7BF89B6@SusanHarkins> References: <39B1E82B59AE451580BBC11BC7BF89B6@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: I'm having another problem, too. I should mention that the BE for this app is a MySQL database. The Access app is hooked to it with ODBC. Everything works as it did when talking to an Access BE. One large impediment: Access can see the tables just fine, but seems unaware of the existence of Views and Stored Procedures in the BE. (Or at least, they're not visible, and setting the form's recordsource to a View that I know is there and know it works, because I can see it in Navicat, just not in Access.) Does anyone know how I can set the RecordSource to a View instead of a Table? Is there some special way to refer to it? dbname.viewName didn't work. Followup question: How to set the RecordSource to the result set returned by a Stored Procedure? I've done this in an ADP before, but that demands a MS SQL BE. I'm going to double-post to the SQL list, because this part of the discussion might belong there. TIA, Arthur On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > Quack! :) > Susan H. > > Ah, Susan! My lovely little duck! I didn't even look up the link you >> provided. I knew at once that you were right. A quick edit and presto. >> >> Thanks! >> >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Feb 24 16:48:44 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 17:48:44 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Inquiry System Built With Access 2007 PerformanceConcern Partial Key In-Reply-To: References: <201302222259.r1MMxnsG001576@databaseadvisors.com> <33734CB7D9204CC48E2896669004A914@XPS> Message-ID: I must be missing something here. You say that you built the Inquiry system and it's missing a column in one of its tables? Why not just add the column? Arthur On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Jim Dettman wrote: > > Try adding a pseudo index on the Access side (add a index on the linked > table just on the part ID). > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:30 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Inquiry System Built With Access 2007 > PerformanceConcern Partial Key > > Jim, > > Thanks for your assistance. > > > >> While you cannot change anything existing, can you add a view to the SQL > >> database? > > We are not able to add views to the SQL-Server database. We cannot make > any > updates to anything, except to update data via the purchased package > front-end screens. > > > > >> Not sure I understand this part. When you link the table, do you see > the > >> index with both fields and is that set as the PK field or no? > > It appears that the table has a compound key (Part-ID and > Routing-Sequence-Number). > The Access-based Inquiry system that we have built has the Part-ID, but not > the Routing Sequence-Number available. When I tried to join this table in > one of the existing queries, the data was returned, but it took a long > time. > I have tried several variations of the query and ran quite a few tests. > Due > to the slowness, I have started to consider alternative approaches. I > don't > have a lot of experience with obtaining data from a table with only a > partial key. I would guess that a sweep of the entire table is being > performed, therefore the slowness. > > Brad > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Jim Dettman > Sent: Sun 2/24/2013 10:03 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Inquiry System Built With Access 2007 ?Performance > Concern - Partial Key > > Brad, > > < indexes, > etc. in any of the tables in the purchased system. We can only read the > data. >> > > While you cannot change anything existing, can you add a view to the SQL > database? > > < available. Only the Part_ID is available, not the > Routing_Sequence_Number. > (Not all Parts have routings, all we need to discern is whether a part has > a > routing or not) >> > > Not sure I understand this part. When you link the table, do you see the > index with both fields and is that set as the PK field or no? > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 06:20 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Inquiry System Built With Access 2007 ? Performance > Concern - Partial Key > > All, > > We have an Inquiry System that obtains data from a purchased package's SQL > Server database via ODBC. > > The Inquiry System works nicely and response time is quite fast for all > screens. > > We are not able to change any of the tables, keys, relationships, indexes, > etc. in any of the tables in the purchased system. We can only read the > data. > > Recently, a request has been made where we will need to pull data that will > come from a table that has not been used by the Inquiry System before. > > Here is the catch. The new table that we now want to pull data from has a > two-part key (Part_ID, and Routing_Sequence_Number). > > Currently the Inquiry System does not have the second part of the key > available. Only the Part_ID is available, not the > Routing_Sequence_Number. > (Not all Parts have routings, all we need to discern is whether a part has > a > routing or not) > > When we try to obtain data from this table with only the Part_ID, the data > is returned, but response time is slow. This table has about 2,000 rows. > > I am considering two approaches and decided to see if anyone else has run > into something similar and has advice. > > Approach-1. Build an Access table from the SQL Server table, that has only > Part_ID for the key. > > Approach-2. Use the SQL Server data to build an array when the inquiry > system is first initiated then obtain the data from the array. > > I would guess that there may be other approaches that would work better. > > I appreciate your assistance. > > Thanks, > Brad > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com Sun Feb 24 17:03:36 2013 From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 17:03:36 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet In-Reply-To: References: <39B1E82B59AE451580BBC11BC7BF89B6@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701F38FB2E@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> Arthur, Are you linking to tables in MySQL? If it works like MS SQL, you can link to a view just like linking to a table. As for stored procedures, a common method is to call the stored procedure using a pass-thru query. HTH, Rusty -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 4:46 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Cc: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet I'm having another problem, too. I should mention that the BE for this app is a MySQL database. The Access app is hooked to it with ODBC. Everything works as it did when talking to an Access BE. One large impediment: Access can see the tables just fine, but seems unaware of the existence of Views and Stored Procedures in the BE. (Or at least, they're not visible, and setting the form's recordsource to a View that I know is there and know it works, because I can see it in Navicat, just not in Access.) Does anyone know how I can set the RecordSource to a View instead of a Table? Is there some special way to refer to it? dbname.viewName didn't work. Followup question: How to set the RecordSource to the result set returned by a Stored Procedure? I've done this in an ADP before, but that demands a MS SQL BE. I'm going to double-post to the SQL list, because this part of the discussion might belong there. TIA, Arthur On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > Quack! :) > Susan H. > > Ah, Susan! My lovely little duck! I didn't even look up the link you >> provided. I knew at once that you were right. A quick edit and presto. >> >> Thanks! >> >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd advisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> > Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ********************************************************************** WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. ********************************************************************** From BradM at blackforestltd.com Sun Feb 24 18:49:01 2013 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 18:49:01 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Inquiry System Built With Access 2007 Performance Concern Partial Key References: <201302222259.r1MMxnsG001576@databaseadvisors.com><33734CB7D9204CC48E2896669004A914@XPS> Message-ID: Arthur, The inquiry system that we built is obtaining data from a purchased package's SQL Server Database tables. We can make no changes to the tables, views, indexes, etc. The only updates that can be made are updates to the data via the purchased package's screens. The report writer than came with the purchased package is not good at all. Therefore, we built an inquiry and reporting system with Access, which has worked very nicely so far. I am sure that the performance issue will be resolved, I am just looking for ideas from others who may have run into something similar in the past. Thanks, Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sun 2/24/2013 4:48 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Inquiry System Built With Access 2007 PerformanceConcern Partial Key I must be missing something here. You say that you built the Inquiry system and it's missing a column in one of its tables? Why not just add the column? Arthur On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Jim Dettman wrote: > > Try adding a pseudo index on the Access side (add a index on the linked > table just on the part ID). > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:30 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Inquiry System Built With Access 2007 > PerformanceConcern Partial Key > > Jim, > > Thanks for your assistance. > > > >> While you cannot change anything existing, can you add a view to the SQL > >> database? > > We are not able to add views to the SQL-Server database. We cannot make > any > updates to anything, except to update data via the purchased package > front-end screens. > > > > >> Not sure I understand this part. When you link the table, do you see > the > >> index with both fields and is that set as the PK field or no? > > It appears that the table has a compound key (Part-ID and > Routing-Sequence-Number). > The Access-based Inquiry system that we have built has the Part-ID, but not > the Routing Sequence-Number available. When I tried to join this table in > one of the existing queries, the data was returned, but it took a long > time. > I have tried several variations of the query and ran quite a few tests. > Due > to the slowness, I have started to consider alternative approaches. I > don't > have a lot of experience with obtaining data from a table with only a > partial key. I would guess that a sweep of the entire table is being > performed, therefore the slowness. > > Brad > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Jim Dettman > Sent: Sun 2/24/2013 10:03 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Inquiry System Built With Access 2007 ?Performance > Concern - Partial Key > > Brad, > > < indexes, > etc. in any of the tables in the purchased system. We can only read the > data. >> > > While you cannot change anything existing, can you add a view to the SQL > database? > > < available. Only the Part_ID is available, not the > Routing_Sequence_Number. > (Not all Parts have routings, all we need to discern is whether a part has > a > routing or not) >> > > Not sure I understand this part. When you link the table, do you see the > index with both fields and is that set as the PK field or no? > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 06:20 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Inquiry System Built With Access 2007 ? Performance > Concern - Partial Key > > All, > > We have an Inquiry System that obtains data from a purchased package's SQL > Server database via ODBC. > > The Inquiry System works nicely and response time is quite fast for all > screens. > > We are not able to change any of the tables, keys, relationships, indexes, > etc. in any of the tables in the purchased system. We can only read the > data. > > Recently, a request has been made where we will need to pull data that will > come from a table that has not been used by the Inquiry System before. > > Here is the catch. The new table that we now want to pull data from has a > two-part key (Part_ID, and Routing_Sequence_Number). > > Currently the Inquiry System does not have the second part of the key > available. Only the Part_ID is available, not the > Routing_Sequence_Number. > (Not all Parts have routings, all we need to discern is whether a part has > a > routing or not) > > When we try to obtain data from this table with only the Part_ID, the data > is returned, but response time is slow. This table has about 2,000 rows. > > I am considering two approaches and decided to see if anyone else has run > into something similar and has advice. > > Approach-1. Build an Access table from the SQL Server table, that has only > Part_ID for the key. > > Approach-2. Use the SQL Server data to build an array when the inquiry > system is first initiated then obtain the data from the array. > > I would guess that there may be other approaches that would work better. > > I appreciate your assistance. > > Thanks, > Brad > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Feb 24 18:57:36 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 10:57:36 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet In-Reply-To: References: , <39B1E82B59AE451580BBC11BC7BF89B6@SusanHarkins>, Message-ID: <512AB700.15253.578A52FB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> What version of mySQL and ODBC? I just created a view in a MySQL 5.5.20 and linked to it through MySQL OBDC n5.1 Driver with no problems. -- Stuart On 24 Feb 2013 at 17:45, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I'm having another problem, too. I should mention that the BE for this app > is a MySQL database. The Access app is hooked to it with ODBC. Everything > works as it did when talking to an Access BE. > > One large impediment: Access can see the tables just fine, but seems > unaware of the existence of Views and Stored Procedures in the BE. (Or at > least, they're not visible, and setting the form's recordsource to a View > that I know is there and know it works, because I can see it in Navicat, > just not in Access.) > > Does anyone know how I can set the RecordSource to a View instead of a > Table? Is there some special way to refer to it? dbname.viewName didn't > work. > > Followup question: How to set the RecordSource to the result set returned > by a Stored Procedure? > > I've done this in an ADP before, but that demands a MS SQL BE. > > I'm going to double-post to the SQL list, because this part of the > discussion might belong there. > > TIA, > > Arthur > > > On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > > > Quack! :) > > Susan H. > > > > Ah, Susan! My lovely little duck! I didn't even look up the link you > >> provided. I knew at once that you were right. A quick edit and presto. > >> > >> Thanks! > >> > >> > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > > > > > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Feb 24 19:19:22 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 11:19:22 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Bind Form to RecordSet In-Reply-To: <512AB700.15253.578A52FB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , , <512AB700.15253.578A52FB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <512ABC1A.31300.579E3DB7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I've also just createa a simple stored procedure in phpMyAdmin - (select * from mytable) and accessed it with a pass-through query. Both the view and query are visible/selectable/usable in a Form's "Record Source" dropdown list. (This is all in Access 2010) -- Stuart On 25 Feb 2013 at 10:57, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > What version of mySQL and ODBC? > > I just created a view in a MySQL 5.5.20 and linked to it through MySQL OBDC n5.1 Driver > with no problems. > > -- > Stuart > > On 24 Feb 2013 at 17:45, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > > I'm having another problem, too. I should mention that the BE for this app > > is a MySQL database. The Access app is hooked to it with ODBC. Everything > > works as it did when talking to an Access BE. > > > > One large impediment: Access can see the tables just fine, but seems > > unaware of the existence of Views and Stored Procedures in the BE. (Or at > > least, they're not visible, and setting the form's recordsource to a View > > that I know is there and know it works, because I can see it in Navicat, > > just not in Access.) > > > > Does anyone know how I can set the RecordSource to a View instead of a > > Table? Is there some special way to refer to it? dbname.viewName didn't > > work. > > > > Followup question: How to set the RecordSource to the result set returned > > by a Stored Procedure? > > > > I've done this in an ADP before, but that demands a MS SQL BE. > > > > I'm going to double-post to the SQL list, because this part of the > > discussion might belong there. > > > > TIA, > > > > Arthur > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > > > > > Quack! :) > > > Susan H. > > > > > > Ah, Susan! My lovely little duck! I didn't even look up the link you > > >> provided. I knew at once that you were right. A quick edit and presto. > > >> > > >> Thanks! > > >> > > >> > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Arthur > > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > > -- Niels Bohr > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-SQLServer mailing list > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From jwcolby at gmail.com Sun Feb 24 22:12:59 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 23:12:59 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <512AE4CB.3020105@gmail.com> LOL, flustered? Oh my... what... I just ... who... ;) It's more like: Dissenter: You guys need to... Group: Yes, you do need to... Dissenter... but we have no relevance... Group: yes, you should take the lead... Dissenter: silence... Deafening silence when it is suggested that someone take the lead. dissenter: Oh my... what... you cant mean... who me? ;) John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/22/2013 3:27 PM, Kenneth Ismert wrote: >> Charlotte Foust >> >> Why should we be leading a pack? ... >> > Charlotte, > > I think the group in the past has brought up a lot of people from relative > noob status to fairly competent developers. For a serious newcomer, this > was where the rubber met the road. > > Anyhow, this topic has a a familiar devolution: > > Dissenter: The group is going downhill! > Group: What?!? We love it like this -- it should never change! (Long > reminiscences about the glory days of the past) > Dissenter: Show numbers that demonstrate a growing group. > Group: (silence) > Dissenter: Show one way that we are relevant, or excel in some way that > would draw new people in. > Group: Why should we be relevant? We don't like those new people anyway. > Dissenter: What about Groups X, Y and Z, all of which have bigger-name > experts, higher post volumes and more on-topic posts? > Group: (grumble mumble) > Dissenter: So what exactly is our purpose? Shouldn't we own up to the fact > that we have become an old fart's social club? > Group: Why, if it wasn't for our lumbago, we'd get after you, you > rapscallion! > > It's just funny to me how many people here are not willing to acknowledge > the obvious, and are flustered by those who point it out. > > -Ken From jwcolby at gmail.com Sun Feb 24 22:19:02 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 23:19:02 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Bound Forms Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <512AE636.6090901@gmail.com> It pulls some number (100?) immediately, then starts pulling the rest over time. Only if you hit "end" to go to the end does it make a concerted effort to read each and every record. John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/23/2013 3:13 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Yeah, Jim, that was exactly my question. I suppose that I can generate a > million rows in a table and find out. > > I'll let you know what results I come up with. > > A. > From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 07:25:54 2013 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 02:25:54 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] Bound Forms Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What about testing if a variable to which recordsetclone has been assigned is EOF? > To get an accurate count, you > force Access to populate the whole thing by doing a .MoveLast. From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 11:02:00 2013 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 12:02:00 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: <512AE4CB.3020105@gmail.com> References: <512AE4CB.3020105@gmail.com> Message-ID: No one wants "lead poisoning"? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:13 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD never changes LOL, flustered? Oh my... what... I just ... who... ;) It's more like: Dissenter: You guys need to... Group: Yes, you do need to... Dissenter... but we have no relevance... Group: yes, you should take the lead... Dissenter: silence... Deafening silence when it is suggested that someone take the lead. dissenter: Oh my... what... you cant mean... who me? ;) John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/22/2013 3:27 PM, Kenneth Ismert wrote: >> Charlotte Foust >> >> Why should we be leading a pack? ... >> > Charlotte, > > I think the group in the past has brought up a lot of people from > relative noob status to fairly competent developers. For a serious > newcomer, this was where the rubber met the road. > > Anyhow, this topic has a a familiar devolution: > > Dissenter: The group is going downhill! > Group: What?!? We love it like this -- it should never change! (Long > reminiscences about the glory days of the past) > Dissenter: Show numbers that demonstrate a growing group. > Group: (silence) > Dissenter: Show one way that we are relevant, or excel in some way > that would draw new people in. > Group: Why should we be relevant? We don't like those new people anyway. > Dissenter: What about Groups X, Y and Z, all of which have bigger-name > experts, higher post volumes and more on-topic posts? > Group: (grumble mumble) > Dissenter: So what exactly is our purpose? Shouldn't we own up to the > fact that we have become an old fart's social club? > Group: Why, if it wasn't for our lumbago, we'd get after you, you > rapscallion! > > It's just funny to me how many people here are not willing to > acknowledge the obvious, and are flustered by those who point it out. > > -Ken -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 11:08:11 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 09:08:11 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: References: <512AE4CB.3020105@gmail.com> Message-ID: ROTFL Charlotte On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:02 AM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) < vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote: > No one wants "lead poisoning"? > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:13 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD never changes > > LOL, flustered? > > Oh my... what... I just ... who... > > ;) > > It's more like: > > Dissenter: You guys need to... > Group: Yes, you do need to... > Dissenter... but we have no relevance... > Group: yes, you should take the lead... > Dissenter: silence... > > Deafening silence when it is suggested that someone take the lead. > > dissenter: Oh my... what... you cant mean... who me? > > ;) > > John W. Colby > > > From kismert at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 11:19:58 2013 From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 11:19:58 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes Message-ID: > > Jim Lawrence: > ...there is no niche to fill... > ..."There is still a viable niche for Access support"...no there is not. > ...it is a dimple not a niche... > Thank you Jim, for your compelling argument! Based on the weight of Jim's opinion, I hereby call for the immediate shutdown of AccessD, on grounds of irrelevance! Charlotte Foust: > ...I doubt you'll find much fluster in this group... > ...No hard feelings... > The list sure does have a short memory! Nothing personal intended. You're not part of the problem. John W Colby: > ...It's more like: > Dissenter: You guys need to... > Group: Yes, you do need to... > Dissenter... but we have no relevance... > Group: yes, you should take the lead... > Dissenter: silence... > Deafening silence when it is suggested that someone take the lead. > dissenter: Oh my... what... you cant mean... who me? > OK, I've been waiting for this. This one's rich. Let's go down a little timeline. Last year when this topic came up: * Septav complains * Group tells Septav to piss off * I feel that is unfair * The group has its first real discussion of relevance in over a year * The group gets flustered * The group: > Puts the thread into the 'discussion forum of no return' > Invites the participation of all in discussing the future of the forum > I dutifully put in my written response. What then, from the vaunted group? > Nothing > Nada > Silence I bugged a few people on the list a few times on the status, but gave up once it became obvious what happened. I got stonewalled. So the group, when confronted with real criticism, walls off and silences dissent. Tell me this is not the case, but back it up with proof. The onus, in my opinion, is still on the group. On you, Colby. (dramatic soap opera music) -Ken From dbdoug at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 11:20:52 2013 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 09:20:52 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] New development tool Message-ID: I just got a notice from NSBasic about their latest version: http://www.nsbasic.com/app/ I haven't checked it out myself, but I did use their NSBASIC for Palm for several years. It was pretty good, and their tech support was excellent. Doug From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 11:23:07 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 09:23:07 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet In-Reply-To: References: <1361732853.244530204@f263.mail.ru> Message-ID: The RecordSource property takes a string. When you bind a form to a recordsource name, you get a DAO connection. The Recordset Property, as opposed to the Recordset Object, is for ADO binding. Charlotte On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 1:51 PM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) < vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote: > What the ...??? > > Maybe I am coming in too late on this thread to understand the import of > this statement, which all are apparently taking as fact so I guess I may as > well take it as fact too ... but ... I *never* would have thought that > access forms could be bound only to adodb recordsets as opposed to DAO > recordsets. I mean after all, ADO came along later in the Access lifecycle > than DAO, correct? And weren't forms always able to be bound to recordsets? > > I feel totally lost in this. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 2:08 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet > > Hi Arthur -- > > Access forms can be bound to ADODB recordsets only. > > -- Shamil > > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 11:33:24 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 12:33:24 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet In-Reply-To: References: <1361732853.244530204@f263.mail.ru> Message-ID: I figured that out, Charlotte. Now I'm on to new problems. I want to execute a stored procedure in a MySQL database and assign the result set to the RecordSet of a form. Any suggestions how to do that? A. On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > The RecordSource property takes a string. When you bind a form to a > recordsource name, you get a DAO connection. The Recordset Property, as > opposed to the Recordset Object, is for ADO binding. > > Charlotte > > On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 1:51 PM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) < > vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote: > > > What the ...??? > > > > Maybe I am coming in too late on this thread to understand the import of > > this statement, which all are apparently taking as fact so I guess I may > as > > well take it as fact too ... but ... I *never* would have thought that > > access forms could be bound only to adodb recordsets as opposed to DAO > > recordsets. I mean after all, ADO came along later in the Access > lifecycle > > than DAO, correct? And weren't forms always able to be bound to > recordsets? > > > > I feel totally lost in this. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil > > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 2:08 PM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet > > > > Hi Arthur -- > > > > Access forms can be bound to ADODB recordsets only. > > > > -- Shamil > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Feb 25 11:35:03 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 09:35:03 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: <01d601ce12ce$4b339e00$e19ada00$@net> References: <201302222211.r1MMBCSt001413@databaseadvisors.com><751A3F2D0C684E2187FA9407DF47A974@creativesystemdesigns.com> <01d601ce12ce$4b339e00$e19ada00$@net> Message-ID: Getting your Credentials are a good start but if you do not have the experience and can point to a proven body of work, that can be demonstrated...those certificates are worthless. No one starts with a $150 to $200 hourly wage, that takes a proven solid body of work. Another factoid: if you are in the network and server business 85 percent of you clients will be looking Linux/UNIX and web abilities. ...and Oracle and skills in a host of OSS and NoSQL databases. Move away from the desktop and you are moving away from Microsoft. Another truism: If you are in business and you have no union, association or guild, you are unlikely to have benefits like healthcare, 401k, ever. OTOH, if you are making a steady $60 per hour, considering that you would be working about 2000 to 2500 hours per year and taking home 6 figures. A person in that situation would be a fool not to insure themselves and their family as they have the money to do so. Note: why do you think people in business, who do not have external support belong to associations like the Elks, Lions, Masons, Chamber of Commerce and so on? Answer, for the cheap insurance rates on health, dental and other medical health, life insurance, retirement savings plans and support along with a tight hold on local contracts of all kinds. If you are a private contractor that is the way you go. But I am sure that comes as no surprise to you. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 12:34 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD never changes Re: " The big factor is of course is our willingess to put in unlimited time and effort. ;-)" See, the current market for IT contractors makes the above a "killer". Doctors, Lawyers, Dentists, CPA's must all keep up their credentials.... But then again, they're making $150-$250 per hour. That makes it a no brainer. For us for poor suckers under $100/hr, this becomes a questionable activity economically. In fact in my area, the agencies are saying anyone making $60/hr with strong SQL and analytical skills is doing "good". To me, that's pathetic. No benefits, no healthcare, no 401k, no nothing. > Hi Tony: > > In one word the "web". > > There are so many opportunities and disciplines to select and to > master. > > Web page UI, JavaScript coding, graphics, servers and web servers, > dozens of > webserver languages, web databases from SQL to Map Reduce, to the > Clouds... > and then there are content providers, columnists, sales and social > sites of > every ilk. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Feb 25 11:38:58 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 09:38:58 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Changed From "AccessD never changes" to "Sharing ofinformation" In-Reply-To: <512A89A7.4935.56D94C44@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <201302222259.r1MMxnsG001576@databaseadvisors.com>, , <01d501ce12cd$a3656550$ea302ff0$@net> <512A89A7.4935.56D94C44@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <9AB5A49F989D49E783EB1340B052F35C@creativesystemdesigns.com> One more note, if you are using Wordpress for your business and have private information in it is best to run it internally, only. The hacking of Wordpress sites is legendary...any script kiddies can do it with ease. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 1:44 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changed From "AccessD never changes" to "Sharing ofinformation" http://wordpress.org/about/requirements/ To run WordPress your host just needs a couple of things: PHP version 5.2.4 or greater MySQL version 5.0 or greater http://codex.wordpress.org/Installing_WordPress WordPress is well known for its ease of installation. Under most circumstances installing WordPress is a very simple process and takes less than five minutes to complete. Many web hosts now offer tools (e.g. Fantastico) to automatically install WordPress for you. However, if you wish to install WordPress yourself, the following guide will help. ... -- Stuart On 24 Feb 2013 at 15:29, Mark Simms wrote: > Re: Wordpress "framework" - is there a link with more information ? > I've been looking for a blog framework for a secure, personal website....as > I cannot use the Wordpress website for obvious reasons (it would be taken > down by lawyers). > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd- > > bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Mrazek > > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 9:56 AM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changed From "AccessD never changes" to "Sharing > > of information" > > > > Pretty much any new development I start is in .NET / C# (finally > > stopped > > using Classic ASP several years ago). I also use Telerik Controls and > > the > > Google Maps API to make things easier (and to help design a nicer UI) > > within the .NET projects. Still on the learning curve, but I have been > > able > > learn and develop new projects. > > > > While I've developed in VB.NET and C#, I start all of my new projects > > in C# > > ... one reason is that there are more code samples available in C#. > > > > I still maintain several Access DBs (clients don't want to let them > > go), > > but even those will eventually be re-written in a new language. I > > probably > > spend 10-20% of my time on Access these days. > > > > For website only projects, I've used DotNetNuke and Wordpress > > frameworks, > > as well as the aspdotnetstorefront e-commerce package. > > > > Looking to learn more about mobile development, but right now just > > trying > > to be more productive on the .NET platform. > > > > Larry Mrazek > > lmrazek at lcm-res.com > > > > On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Tony Septav > > wrote: > > > > > Hey All > > > > > > I would really like to hear from this list how you have been able to > > remain > > > productive (with Access sliding down the tubes). What new products > > have > > > worked for you, what is the benefit, what is the learning curve. I am > > > currently following up on Arthur's (the old fart) recommendation to > > try > > > AlphaFive. It does look like something I will shortly be purchasing. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tony Septav > > > > > > Nanaimo, BC > > > > > > Canada > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Feb 25 11:50:34 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 09:50:34 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet In-Reply-To: References: <1361732853.244530204@f263.mail.ru> Message-ID: Hi William: I was using ADO for my MS Access databases since A97. Rarely, have I used anything else except when doing code for Mom and Pop type businesses. Access with a DAO BE can only expand so far. It only took me once or twice to realize that synchronized DAO connections in a network are prone to data corruption so I never made that mistake again. Also every Microsoft OS since Windows 95 has one version or another of ADO built in to it. With ADO and the databases that are associated with that, MS SQL and Oracle and so on, you can stably extend an MS Access FE to thousands of users. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson (VBACreations.Com) Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 1:52 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet What the ...??? Maybe I am coming in too late on this thread to understand the import of this statement, which all are apparently taking as fact so I guess I may as well take it as fact too ... but ... I *never* would have thought that access forms could be bound only to adodb recordsets as opposed to DAO recordsets. I mean after all, ADO came along later in the Access lifecycle than DAO, correct? And weren't forms always able to be bound to recordsets? I feel totally lost in this. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 2:08 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet Hi Arthur -- Access forms can be bound to ADODB recordsets only. -- Shamil ???????????, 24 ??????? 2013, 13:16 -05:00 ?? Arthur Fuller : >I'm playing around with ways to do this but am running into a problem. > >The form_open looks like this: > > >Dim db As DAO.Database >Dim rs As DAO.Recordset >Dim strSQL As String > >Set db = CurrentDb >strSQL = "SELECT * FROM Volunteers WHERE LastName IS NOT NULL " & _ > "ORDER BY LastName" >'---------------------------------------------------------------------- >------------------------ >' Open the recordset >'---------------------------------------------------------------------- >------------------------ >Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL) > >With rs > If .EOF And .BOF Then > MsgBox "No records returned." > Else > .MoveFirst > While Not .EOF > Debug.Print rs("VolunteerID"), rs("LastName") > .MoveNext > Wend > End If >End With > >MsgBox "Setting new record source" >Debug.Print "Setting new record source" > >'Here's where I get busted: >'Set Me.RecordSource = rs > >rs.Close >Set rs = Nothing >End Sub > > >I read something from microsoft on how to bind a form to a recordset >but the example was bound to a SQL Server db, and I wanted to keep it >simple - just create a local recordset and then assign it to the recordsource. > >So I'm confused. Every previous time I've altered RecordSource it's >been by substituting a string. But the code in the MS example uses >exactly the syntax that failed me above. > >Any suggestions, people? > >-- >Arthur >-- >AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 12:04:42 2013 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 13:04:42 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet In-Reply-To: References: <1361732853.244530204@f263.mail.ru> Message-ID: Me bad. You good. Thx!!! -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 12:51 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet Hi William: I was using ADO for my MS Access databases since A97. Rarely, have I used anything else except when doing code for Mom and Pop type businesses. Access with a DAO BE can only expand so far. It only took me once or twice to realize that synchronized DAO connections in a network are prone to data corruption so I never made that mistake again. Also every Microsoft OS since Windows 95 has one version or another of ADO built in to it. With ADO and the databases that are associated with that, MS SQL and Oracle and so on, you can stably extend an MS Access FE to thousands of users. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson (VBACreations.Com) Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 1:52 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet What the ...??? Maybe I am coming in too late on this thread to understand the import of this statement, which all are apparently taking as fact so I guess I may as well take it as fact too ... but ... I *never* would have thought that access forms could be bound only to adodb recordsets as opposed to DAO recordsets. I mean after all, ADO came along later in the Access lifecycle than DAO, correct? And weren't forms always able to be bound to recordsets? I feel totally lost in this. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 2:08 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet Hi Arthur -- Access forms can be bound to ADODB recordsets only. -- Shamil ???????????, 24 ??????? 2013, 13:16 -05:00 ?? Arthur Fuller : >I'm playing around with ways to do this but am running into a problem. > >The form_open looks like this: > > >Dim db As DAO.Database >Dim rs As DAO.Recordset >Dim strSQL As String > >Set db = CurrentDb >strSQL = "SELECT * FROM Volunteers WHERE LastName IS NOT NULL " & _ > "ORDER BY LastName" >'---------------------------------------------------------------------- >------------------------ >' Open the recordset >'---------------------------------------------------------------------- >------------------------ >Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL) > >With rs > If .EOF And .BOF Then > MsgBox "No records returned." > Else > .MoveFirst > While Not .EOF > Debug.Print rs("VolunteerID"), rs("LastName") > .MoveNext > Wend > End If >End With > >MsgBox "Setting new record source" >Debug.Print "Setting new record source" > >'Here's where I get busted: >'Set Me.RecordSource = rs > >rs.Close >Set rs = Nothing >End Sub > > >I read something from microsoft on how to bind a form to a recordset >but the example was bound to a SQL Server db, and I wanted to keep it >simple - just create a local recordset and then assign it to the recordsource. > >So I'm confused. Every previous time I've altered RecordSource it's >been by substituting a string. But the code in the MS example uses >exactly the syntax that failed me above. > >Any suggestions, people? > >-- >Arthur >-- >AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Feb 25 12:16:04 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 10:16:04 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet In-Reply-To: References: <1361732853.244530204@f263.mail.ru> Message-ID: <9FC3FEAC85CC4ADAA042CF8167BA5998@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Arthur: I have had no experience using SPs with MySQL as it is a fairly resent addition to the product (5 years?). Stuart seems to be able to do it with no problem though. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 9:33 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet I figured that out, Charlotte. Now I'm on to new problems. I want to execute a stored procedure in a MySQL database and assign the result set to the RecordSet of a form. Any suggestions how to do that? A. On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > The RecordSource property takes a string. When you bind a form to a > recordsource name, you get a DAO connection. The Recordset Property, as > opposed to the Recordset Object, is for ADO binding. > > Charlotte > > On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 1:51 PM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) < > vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote: > > > What the ...??? > > > > Maybe I am coming in too late on this thread to understand the import of > > this statement, which all are apparently taking as fact so I guess I may > as > > well take it as fact too ... but ... I *never* would have thought that > > access forms could be bound only to adodb recordsets as opposed to DAO > > recordsets. I mean after all, ADO came along later in the Access > lifecycle > > than DAO, correct? And weren't forms always able to be bound to > recordsets? > > > > I feel totally lost in this. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil > > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 2:08 PM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet > > > > Hi Arthur -- > > > > Access forms can be bound to ADODB recordsets only. > > > > -- Shamil > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Feb 25 12:19:27 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 10:19:27 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Kenneth: Ha ha ha ;-) So what business have you been in the last few years? Impress me and tell me it has been working steady with MS Access. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 9:20 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD never changes > > Jim Lawrence: > ...there is no niche to fill... > ..."There is still a viable niche for Access support"...no there is not. > ...it is a dimple not a niche... > Thank you Jim, for your compelling argument! Based on the weight of Jim's opinion, I hereby call for the immediate shutdown of AccessD, on grounds of irrelevance! Charlotte Foust: > ...I doubt you'll find much fluster in this group... > ...No hard feelings... > The list sure does have a short memory! Nothing personal intended. You're not part of the problem. John W Colby: > ...It's more like: > Dissenter: You guys need to... > Group: Yes, you do need to... > Dissenter... but we have no relevance... > Group: yes, you should take the lead... > Dissenter: silence... > Deafening silence when it is suggested that someone take the lead. > dissenter: Oh my... what... you cant mean... who me? > OK, I've been waiting for this. This one's rich. Let's go down a little timeline. Last year when this topic came up: * Septav complains * Group tells Septav to piss off * I feel that is unfair * The group has its first real discussion of relevance in over a year * The group gets flustered * The group: > Puts the thread into the 'discussion forum of no return' > Invites the participation of all in discussing the future of the forum > I dutifully put in my written response. What then, from the vaunted group? > Nothing > Nada > Silence I bugged a few people on the list a few times on the status, but gave up once it became obvious what happened. I got stonewalled. So the group, when confronted with real criticism, walls off and silences dissent. Tell me this is not the case, but back it up with proof. The onus, in my opinion, is still on the group. On you, Colby. (dramatic soap opera music) -Ken -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 12:22:47 2013 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 07:22:47 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: <452BA9DC31F64FDFB9CB3255B13AF645@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <452BA9DC31F64FDFB9CB3255B13AF645@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: True. If I were not an MBA/CPA and several years experience I could not get 75 per hr 1099 basis. And now I font have work because my client cut back. We are still in recession. If you are in a contractor role without potential for grooming for management.... and very lucky... you can forget about making big money in IT unless you write apps. I dont think the big money will ever be there again for pay as you go because all systems are going enterprise plus cloud and all user experiences getting dummef down and commoditized. I feel like maybe I will have to beg people to let me do stuff for them for free soon. Or go back to working on a functional team instead of development. On Feb 23, 2013 11:09 AM, "Jim Lawrence" wrote: > Well said Charlotte. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 4:31 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD never changes > > Ken, > > I doubt you'll find much fluster in this group, but thanks for thinking > we're still capable of it. Access is moving away from the mossy backs; but > as I just discovered from a phone interview, users are still rolling their > own Access databases (along with some VB 6 developers who don't really > think in Access) and IT departments still need people to help document, > untangle, and migrate them because IT DOESN'T SUPPORT ACCESS! I don't know > how I would make a living doing such a thing, but I do get contract work > from it on occasion. > > The point is, we can't make Access relevant by simply applying our brains > to it, no matter how many people post. I will be playing with Access 2013 > on Windows 8 to see what it might offer for that kind of platform, but I > don't expect there to be a rush to use it. The gap between user and > developer has widened with Windows 8/Access 2013 even further than it was > before. I'm not even sure how a newcomer could learn to build anything in > 2013 on the new platform, so I'm fiddling with it. Trying to move the list > to a new platform is even more of a disconnect, and I wouldn't encourage > anyone to try it without wearing Kevlar > > No hard feelings. I don't take anything personally anymore! > > Charlotte > > On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Kenneth Ismert > wrote: > > > > > > > Charlotte Foust > > > > > > Why should we be leading a pack? ... > > > > > > > Charlotte, > > > > I think the group in the past has brought up a lot of people from > relative > > noob status to fairly competent developers. For a serious newcomer, this > > was where the rubber met the road. > > > > Anyhow, this topic has a a familiar devolution: > > > > Dissenter: The group is going downhill! > > Group: What?!? We love it like this -- it should never change! (Long > > reminiscences about the glory days of the past) > > Dissenter: Show numbers that demonstrate a growing group. > > Group: (silence) > > Dissenter: Show one way that we are relevant, or excel in some way that > > would draw new people in. > > Group: Why should we be relevant? We don't like those new people anyway. > > Dissenter: What about Groups X, Y and Z, all of which have bigger-name > > experts, higher post volumes and more on-topic posts? > > Group: (grumble mumble) > > Dissenter: So what exactly is our purpose? Shouldn't we own up to the > fact > > that we have become an old fart's social club? > > Group: Why, if it wasn't for our lumbago, we'd get after you, you > > rapscallion! > > > > It's just funny to me how many people here are not willing to acknowledge > > the obvious, and are flustered by those who point it out. > > > > -Ken > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 12:47:56 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 13:47:56 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <512BB1DC.7090807@gmail.com> LOL, not on me because I don't care. On you... Call for an election of new board members. We are a privately held company. If you want to effect change, get a new board that is dedicated to doing this thing. I am on the current board. I will support you in doing this. Once you have a new board, then the new board can do what is needed infrastructure wise. Ken, I am not opposed to what you want to do, in fact I support you doing it. But I am not going to do it. And waiting for me to do it is an automatic death knell. And trying to blame / shame / guilt me into doing it is doomed to failure. "I am not Catholic" as I like to tell my wife. I don't do guilt. There is a procedure which we probably legally have to follow. Use that procedure to re-energize the company from the boardroom out. Run a hostile takeover. !!! :) John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/25/2013 12:19 PM, Kenneth Ismert wrote: >> Jim Lawrence: >> ...there is no niche to fill... >> ..."There is still a viable niche for Access support"...no there is not. >> ...it is a dimple not a niche... >> > Thank you Jim, for your compelling argument! Based on the weight of Jim's > opinion, I hereby call for the immediate shutdown of AccessD, on grounds of > irrelevance! > > Charlotte Foust: >> ...I doubt you'll find much fluster in this group... >> ...No hard feelings... >> > The list sure does have a short memory! Nothing personal intended. You're > not part of the problem. > > John W Colby: >> ...It's more like: >> Dissenter: You guys need to... >> Group: Yes, you do need to... >> Dissenter... but we have no relevance... >> Group: yes, you should take the lead... >> Dissenter: silence... >> Deafening silence when it is suggested that someone take the lead. >> dissenter: Oh my... what... you cant mean... who me? >> > OK, I've been waiting for this. This one's rich. > > Let's go down a little timeline. Last year when this topic came up: > > * Septav complains > * Group tells Septav to piss off > * I feel that is unfair > * The group has its first real discussion of relevance in over a year > * The group gets flustered > * The group: > > Puts the thread into the 'discussion forum of no return' > > Invites the participation of all in discussing the future of the forum > > I dutifully put in my written response. > > What then, from the vaunted group? > > Nothing > > Nada > > Silence > > I bugged a few people on the list a few times on the status, but gave up > once it became obvious what happened. > > I got stonewalled. > > So the group, when confronted with real criticism, walls off and silences > dissent. > > Tell me this is not the case, but back it up with proof. > > The onus, in my opinion, is still on the group. > > On you, Colby. (dramatic soap opera music) > > -Ken From jwcolby at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 13:21:45 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 14:21:45 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <512BB9C9.4040808@gmail.com> LOL. I just got a day job. The description? "managing a ton of old access databases designed by the user." Maaaayyyybe generating new Access databases but definitely "replacing these old access databases with C# apps". This by "the Borg". John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/25/2013 1:19 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Kenneth: > > Ha ha ha ;-) > > So what business have you been in the last few years? Impress me and tell me > it has been working steady with MS Access. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 9:20 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD never changes > >> Jim Lawrence: >> ...there is no niche to fill... >> ..."There is still a viable niche for Access support"...no there is not. >> ...it is a dimple not a niche... >> > Thank you Jim, for your compelling argument! Based on the weight of Jim's > opinion, I hereby call for the immediate shutdown of AccessD, on grounds of > irrelevance! > > Charlotte Foust: >> ...I doubt you'll find much fluster in this group... >> ...No hard feelings... >> > The list sure does have a short memory! Nothing personal intended. You're > not part of the problem. > > John W Colby: >> ...It's more like: >> Dissenter: You guys need to... >> Group: Yes, you do need to... >> Dissenter... but we have no relevance... >> Group: yes, you should take the lead... >> Dissenter: silence... >> Deafening silence when it is suggested that someone take the lead. >> dissenter: Oh my... what... you cant mean... who me? >> > OK, I've been waiting for this. This one's rich. > > Let's go down a little timeline. Last year when this topic came up: > > * Septav complains > * Group tells Septav to piss off > * I feel that is unfair > * The group has its first real discussion of relevance in over a year > * The group gets flustered > * The group: > > Puts the thread into the 'discussion forum of no return' > > Invites the participation of all in discussing the future of the forum > > I dutifully put in my written response. > > What then, from the vaunted group? > > Nothing > > Nada > > Silence > > I bugged a few people on the list a few times on the status, but gave up > once it became obvious what happened. > > I got stonewalled. > > So the group, when confronted with real criticism, walls off and silences > dissent. > > Tell me this is not the case, but back it up with proof. > > The onus, in my opinion, is still on the group. > > On you, Colby. (dramatic soap opera music) > > -Ken From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 13:43:32 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 14:43:32 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet In-Reply-To: <9FC3FEAC85CC4ADAA042CF8167BA5998@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <1361732853.244530204@f263.mail.ru> <9FC3FEAC85CC4ADAA042CF8167BA5998@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the link, Jim. I spotted some code therein that deals with the prospect that we're using a stored procedure, so I'll start playing around there. A. On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Arthur: > > I have had no experience using SPs with MySQL as it is a fairly resent > addition to the product (5 years?). > > Stuart seems to be able to do it with no problem though. ;-) > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 9:33 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet > > I figured that out, Charlotte. Now I'm on to new problems. I want to > execute a stored procedure in a MySQL database and assign the result set to > the RecordSet of a form. Any suggestions how to do that? > > A. > > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Charlotte Foust < > charlotte.foust at gmail.com > > wrote: > > > The RecordSource property takes a string. When you bind a form to a > > recordsource name, you get a DAO connection. The Recordset Property, as > > opposed to the Recordset Object, is for ADO binding. > > > > Charlotte > > > > On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 1:51 PM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) < > > vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > What the ...??? > > > > > > Maybe I am coming in too late on this thread to understand the import > of > > > this statement, which all are apparently taking as fact so I guess I > may > > as > > > well take it as fact too ... but ... I *never* would have thought that > > > access forms could be bound only to adodb recordsets as opposed to DAO > > > recordsets. I mean after all, ADO came along later in the Access > > lifecycle > > > than DAO, correct? And weren't forms always able to be bound to > > recordsets? > > > > > > I feel totally lost in this. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > > > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov > Shamil > > > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 2:08 PM > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet > > > > > > Hi Arthur -- > > > > > > Access forms can be bound to ADODB recordsets only. > > > > > > -- Shamil > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From TSeptav at Uniserve.com Mon Feb 25 16:19:43 2013 From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 16:19:43 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] I just do not get it. Message-ID: <201302252219.r1PMJht8031806@databaseadvisors.com> Hey All This is a group, a family and yes we may all be aging and have been doing so for years. Why are we not supporting each other by providing information on new technologies (programs), directions to go and possible alternatives. I am tired as crap of saying we have all kind of brilliant people on this list ( but due to ego problems whatever, we cannot get together). We should not quit supporting Access, but many of you have moved on "BUT YOU HAVE NOT QUIT THE GROUP". There are nay sayers and supporters. Let us rally together and stop the IN fighting and decide constructively where do we go from here. I do not at the moment have any constructive directions to follow but it would be sad to see the list just self destruct upon itself. Again my whatever worth. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Mon Feb 25 16:42:02 2013 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 22:42:02 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet In-Reply-To: References: <1361732853.244530204@f263.mail.ru> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B53441B29B@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Agreed. I use DAO for purely 'in house' stuff, that is within the same database (CurrentDB). But when talking to the 'outside world' for anything from that database I use ADO instead. Cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson (VBACreations.Com) Sent: Tuesday, 26 February 2013 5:05 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet Me bad. You good. Thx!!! -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 12:51 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet Hi William: I was using ADO for my MS Access databases since A97. Rarely, have I used anything else except when doing code for Mom and Pop type businesses. Access with a DAO BE can only expand so far. It only took me once or twice to realize that synchronized DAO connections in a network are prone to data corruption so I never made that mistake again. Also every Microsoft OS since Windows 95 has one version or another of ADO built in to it. With ADO and the databases that are associated with that, MS SQL and Oracle and so on, you can stably extend an MS Access FE to thousands of users. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson (VBACreations.Com) Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 1:52 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet What the ...??? Maybe I am coming in too late on this thread to understand the import of this statement, which all are apparently taking as fact so I guess I may as well take it as fact too ... but ... I *never* would have thought that access forms could be bound only to adodb recordsets as opposed to DAO recordsets. I mean after all, ADO came along later in the Access lifecycle than DAO, correct? And weren't forms always able to be bound to recordsets? I feel totally lost in this. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 2:08 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet Hi Arthur -- Access forms can be bound to ADODB recordsets only. -- Shamil ???????????, 24 ??????? 2013, 13:16 -05:00 ?? Arthur Fuller : >I'm playing around with ways to do this but am running into a problem. > >The form_open looks like this: > > >Dim db As DAO.Database >Dim rs As DAO.Recordset >Dim strSQL As String > >Set db = CurrentDb >strSQL = "SELECT * FROM Volunteers WHERE LastName IS NOT NULL " & _ > "ORDER BY LastName" >'---------------------------------------------------------------------- >------------------------ >' Open the recordset >'---------------------------------------------------------------------- >------------------------ >Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL) > >With rs > If .EOF And .BOF Then > MsgBox "No records returned." > Else > .MoveFirst > While Not .EOF > Debug.Print rs("VolunteerID"), rs("LastName") > .MoveNext > Wend > End If >End With > >MsgBox "Setting new record source" >Debug.Print "Setting new record source" > >'Here's where I get busted: >'Set Me.RecordSource = rs > >rs.Close >Set rs = Nothing >End Sub > > >I read something from microsoft on how to bind a form to a recordset >but the example was bound to a SQL Server db, and I wanted to keep it >simple - just create a local recordset and then assign it to the recordsource. > >So I'm confused. Every previous time I've altered RecordSource it's >been by substituting a string. But the code in the MS example uses >exactly the syntax that failed me above. > >Any suggestions, people? > >-- >Arthur >-- >AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Feb 25 16:44:43 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 08:44:43 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] New development tool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <512BE95B.20098.5C37066A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> That looks very interesting. I'll check it out later. On 25 Feb 2013 at 9:20, Doug Steele wrote: > I just got a notice from NSBasic about their latest version: > http://www.nsbasic.com/app/ > > I haven't checked it out myself, but I did use their NSBASIC for Palm for > several years. It was pretty good, and their tech support was excellent. > > Doug > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Feb 25 16:46:47 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 08:46:47 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet In-Reply-To: <9FC3FEAC85CC4ADAA042CF8167BA5998@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: , , <9FC3FEAC85CC4ADAA042CF8167BA5998@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <512BE9D7.31616.5C38E7B4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> As I pointed out on the SQL Server list, a SP returns a snapshot, not a persistent recordset, so you can pull the SP data with a pass-through query and can "bind" the data by setting a form's recordsource to the query - but it is RO, no create/edit/delete possible. -- Stuart On 25 Feb 2013 at 10:16, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Arthur: > > I have had no experience using SPs with MySQL as it is a fairly resent > addition to the product (5 years?). > > Stuart seems to be able to do it with no problem though. ;-) > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 9:33 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet > > I figured that out, Charlotte. Now I'm on to new problems. I want to > execute a stored procedure in a MySQL database and assign the result set to > the RecordSet of a form. Any suggestions how to do that? > > A. > > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Charlotte Foust > wrote: > > > The RecordSource property takes a string. When you bind a form to a > > recordsource name, you get a DAO connection. The Recordset Property, as > > opposed to the Recordset Object, is for ADO binding. > > > > Charlotte > > > > On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 1:51 PM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) < > > vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > What the ...??? > > > > > > Maybe I am coming in too late on this thread to understand the import of > > > this statement, which all are apparently taking as fact so I guess I may > > as > > > well take it as fact too ... but ... I *never* would have thought that > > > access forms could be bound only to adodb recordsets as opposed to DAO > > > recordsets. I mean after all, ADO came along later in the Access > > lifecycle > > > than DAO, correct? And weren't forms always able to be bound to > > recordsets? > > > > > > I feel totally lost in this. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > > > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil > > > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 2:08 PM > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet > > > > > > Hi Arthur -- > > > > > > Access forms can be bound to ADODB recordsets only. > > > > > > -- Shamil > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Mon Feb 25 16:54:36 2013 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 22:54:36 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet In-Reply-To: <512BE9D7.31616.5C38E7B4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , , <9FC3FEAC85CC4ADAA042CF8167BA5998@creativesystemdesigns.com> <512BE9D7.31616.5C38E7B4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B53441B2F8@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> True, But what I used to do when using SQL server for similar things is to download the SP data into a form and allow the user to edit the unbound record and then use an update query to write it back into the SQL BE database when they were ready. The main trick is to ensure you pull down all of the supporting data for the form as well (say to create valid combo box choices for that selection et al). It was very fast and worked well. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Tuesday, 26 February 2013 9:47 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet As I pointed out on the SQL Server list, a SP returns a snapshot, not a persistent recordset, so you can pull the SP data with a pass-through query and can "bind" the data by setting a form's recordsource to the query - but it is RO, no create/edit/delete possible. -- Stuart On 25 Feb 2013 at 10:16, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Arthur: > > I have had no experience using SPs with MySQL as it is a fairly resent > addition to the product (5 years?). > > Stuart seems to be able to do it with no problem though. ;-) > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 9:33 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet > > I figured that out, Charlotte. Now I'm on to new problems. I want to > execute a stored procedure in a MySQL database and assign the result > set to the RecordSet of a form. Any suggestions how to do that? > > A. > > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Charlotte Foust > > wrote: > > > The RecordSource property takes a string. When you bind a form to a > > recordsource name, you get a DAO connection. The Recordset > > Property, as opposed to the Recordset Object, is for ADO binding. > > > > Charlotte > > > > On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 1:51 PM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) < > > vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > What the ...??? > > > > > > Maybe I am coming in too late on this thread to understand the > > > import of this statement, which all are apparently taking as fact > > > so I guess I may > > as > > > well take it as fact too ... but ... I *never* would have thought > > > that access forms could be bound only to adodb recordsets as > > > opposed to DAO recordsets. I mean after all, ADO came along later > > > in the Access > > lifecycle > > > than DAO, correct? And weren't forms always able to be bound to > > recordsets? > > > > > > I feel totally lost in this. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > > > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov > > > Shamil > > > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 2:08 PM > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet > > > > > > Hi Arthur -- > > > > > > Access forms can be bound to ADODB recordsets only. > > > > > > -- Shamil > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Feb 25 17:02:11 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 09:02:11 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B53441B2F8@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: , <512BE9D7.31616.5C38E7B4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B53441B2F8@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <512BED73.26314.5C4702D2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> IOW, you used unbound forms in Access? How Could You!!!! Gee, we haven't had this discussion for a few years. :-) D,RFC -- Stuart On 25 Feb 2013 at 22:54, Darryl Collins wrote: > True, > > But what I used to do when using SQL server for similar things is to > download the SP data into a form and allow the user to edit the > unbound record and then use an update query to write it back into the > SQL BE database when they were ready. > > The main trick is to ensure you pull down all of the supporting data > for the form as well (say to create valid combo box choices for that > selection et al). > > It was very fast and worked well. > > From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Mon Feb 25 17:29:26 2013 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 23:29:26 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet In-Reply-To: <512BED73.26314.5C4702D2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <512BE9D7.31616.5C38E7B4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B53441B2F8@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <512BED73.26314.5C4702D2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B53441B384@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Hahahaha... Yeah... Thought I could fire up a few of the old timers ;) been a while... -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Tuesday, 26 February 2013 10:02 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet IOW, you used unbound forms in Access? How Could You!!!! Gee, we haven't had this discussion for a few years. :-) D,RFC -- Stuart On 25 Feb 2013 at 22:54, Darryl Collins wrote: > True, > > But what I used to do when using SQL server for similar things is to > download the SP data into a form and allow the user to edit the > unbound record and then use an update query to write it back into the > SQL BE database when they were ready. > > The main trick is to ensure you pull down all of the supporting data > for the form as well (say to create valid combo box choices for that > selection et al). > > It was very fast and worked well. > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 18:25:05 2013 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 16:25:05 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet In-Reply-To: <512BED73.26314.5C4702D2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <512BE9D7.31616.5C38E7B4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B53441B2F8@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> <512BED73.26314.5C4702D2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Don't we all? On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > IOW, you used unbound forms in Access? How Could You!!!! > From kismert at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 19:52:43 2013 From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 19:52:43 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes Message-ID: > > John W Colby: > ...LOL, not on me because I don't care. On you... > I'm glad we've established that. Call for an election of new board members...I am on the current board. I > will support you in doing this ... Ken, I am not opposed to what you want to do, in fact I support you doing it. But I am not going to do it.... > I call bullshit. I fell for this line before, and what happened? I got sandbagged. Anybody can claim any intent they want, but I can only judge results. The fact is I was invited to contribute to a 'special forum' that was set up by the board to do just what you propose. Did change occur? No. But it did have the result of walling off a controversial thread, and the function of maintaining the status quo. Deny that if you please, but provide proof. You are simply arguing from a position of inertia. You have the most to gain by maintaining stasis, since AccessD in its current form has become hard to distinguish from the 'Personality Cult of Colby', which IS A PERFECTLY VALID THING, as long as we are honest about what the group has become. -Ken From kismert at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 19:55:24 2013 From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 19:55:24 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes Message-ID: > > Jim Lawrence: > Ha ha ha ;-) > So what business have you been in the last few years? Impress me and tell > me > it has been working steady with MS Access. > OK. I've been working steady with MS Access over the last few years--Scout's Honor! Now can we hear your punchline? I'm curious to see how you resolve your self-contradictory "I want to keep things the same -- but our stated goal is now completely irrelevant" argument. -Ken From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Feb 25 20:03:48 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 18:03:48 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B53441B2F8@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: , , <9FC3FEAC85CC4ADAA042CF8167BA5998@creativesystemdesigns.com><512BE9D7.31616.5C38E7B4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B53441B2F8@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <51BA48212F0C41AC9184E33EEDB282E2@creativesystemdesigns.com> Agreed Darryl. Have been using that method for going on 15 years and never had any issues. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 2:55 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet True, But what I used to do when using SQL server for similar things is to download the SP data into a form and allow the user to edit the unbound record and then use an update query to write it back into the SQL BE database when they were ready. The main trick is to ensure you pull down all of the supporting data for the form as well (say to create valid combo box choices for that selection et al). It was very fast and worked well. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Tuesday, 26 February 2013 9:47 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet As I pointed out on the SQL Server list, a SP returns a snapshot, not a persistent recordset, so you can pull the SP data with a pass-through query and can "bind" the data by setting a form's recordsource to the query - but it is RO, no create/edit/delete possible. -- Stuart On 25 Feb 2013 at 10:16, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Arthur: > > I have had no experience using SPs with MySQL as it is a fairly resent > addition to the product (5 years?). > > Stuart seems to be able to do it with no problem though. ;-) > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 9:33 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet > > I figured that out, Charlotte. Now I'm on to new problems. I want to > execute a stored procedure in a MySQL database and assign the result > set to the RecordSet of a form. Any suggestions how to do that? > > A. > > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Charlotte Foust > > wrote: > > > The RecordSource property takes a string. When you bind a form to a > > recordsource name, you get a DAO connection. The Recordset > > Property, as opposed to the Recordset Object, is for ADO binding. > > > > Charlotte > > > > On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 1:51 PM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) < > > vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > What the ...??? > > > > > > Maybe I am coming in too late on this thread to understand the > > > import of this statement, which all are apparently taking as fact > > > so I guess I may > > as > > > well take it as fact too ... but ... I *never* would have thought > > > that access forms could be bound only to adodb recordsets as > > > opposed to DAO recordsets. I mean after all, ADO came along later > > > in the Access > > lifecycle > > > than DAO, correct? And weren't forms always able to be bound to > > recordsets? > > > > > > I feel totally lost in this. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > > > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov > > > Shamil > > > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 2:08 PM > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bind Form to RecordSet > > > > > > Hi Arthur -- > > > > > > Access forms can be bound to ADODB recordsets only. > > > > > > -- Shamil > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 20:06:11 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 18:06:11 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I never realized I was a groupie! Wow! Makes me feel young again ;-} Sorry, Ken, but I guess I missed the threads where we were all kissing JC's patootie. I'm having a problem understanding what kind of relevancy you're looking for in the list. Some of us have moved on but still get sucked back into Access. I didn't think there was some kind of screening process for belonging, especially since VBA tends to be a crossover language, by intent. I'm not trying to bait you, I honestly don't understand what you're looking for. From what I can see, it boils down to smart people not using their intelligence in a way that satisfies you. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Why stay around and argue about it? When I saw the direction Woody's Lounge was going after the Great Acquisition by Windows Secrets, I bailed, followed very quickly by the rest of the admins. We went and built our own sandbox to play in, Eileen's Lounge. We're still doing what we did and people are still finding us and asking indecipherable questions to which a few bright stars actually manage to find answers. I'm mostly an admin in absentia, but they still value my viewpoint, so I drop in, much like Eileen used to do, just to keep the troops in line. Charlotte On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Kenneth Ismert wrote: > > > > John W Colby: > > ...LOL, not on me because I don't care. On you... > > > > I'm glad we've established that. > > Call for an election of new board members...I am on the current board. I > > will > > support you in doing this ... Ken, I am not opposed to what you want to do, > > in fact I support you doing it. But I am not going to do it.... > > > > I call bullshit. I fell for this line before, and what happened? I got > sandbagged. > > Anybody can claim any intent they want, but I can only judge results. The > fact is I was invited to contribute to a 'special forum' that was set up by > the board to do just what you propose. Did change occur? No. But it did > have the result of walling off a controversial thread, and the function of > maintaining the status quo. > > Deny that if you please, but provide proof. > > You are simply arguing from a position of inertia. You have the most to > gain by maintaining stasis, since AccessD in its current form has become > hard to distinguish from the 'Personality Cult of Colby', which IS A > PERFECTLY VALID THING, as long as we are honest about what the group has > become. > > -Ken > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 20:08:36 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 18:08:36 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Changed From "AccessD never changes" to "Sharing ofinformation" In-Reply-To: <9AB5A49F989D49E783EB1340B052F35C@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <201302222259.r1MMxnsG001576@databaseadvisors.com> <01d501ce12cd$a3656550$ea302ff0$@net> <512A89A7.4935.56D94C44@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <9AB5A49F989D49E783EB1340B052F35C@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: That's the main reason my website in no in WordPress, even though my blog is. Charlotte On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > One more note, if you are using Wordpress for your business and have > private > information in it is best to run it internally, only. > > The hacking of Wordpress sites is legendary...any script kiddies can do it > with ease. > > Jim > > From jwcolby at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 20:08:43 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 21:08:43 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <512C192B.3000901@gmail.com> ROTFL. Ken you are talking paranoia. Take your meds. John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/25/2013 8:52 PM, Kenneth Ismert wrote: >> John W Colby: >> ...LOL, not on me because I don't care. On you... >> > I'm glad we've established that. > > Call for an election of new board members...I am on the current board. I >> will > support you in doing this ... Ken, I am not opposed to what you want to do, > > in fact I support you doing it. But I am not going to do it.... > I call bullshit. I fell for this line before, and what happened? I got > sandbagged. > > Anybody can claim any intent they want, but I can only judge results. The > fact is I was invited to contribute to a 'special forum' that was set up by > the board to do just what you propose. Did change occur? No. But it did > have the result of walling off a controversial thread, and the function of > maintaining the status quo. > > Deny that if you please, but provide proof. > > You are simply arguing from a position of inertia. You have the most to > gain by maintaining stasis, since AccessD in its current form has become > hard to distinguish from the 'Personality Cult of Colby', which IS A > PERFECTLY VALID THING, as long as we are honest about what the group has > become. > > -Ken From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Feb 25 20:09:24 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 18:09:24 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ha ha, a bold statement there Kenneth. Do you really think anyone here could be bulldozed one way or the other? You are talking about programmers and as soon as you can reliably herd cats you will have a good chance getting your way every time. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 5:53 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD never changes > > John W Colby: > ...LOL, not on me because I don't care. On you... > I'm glad we've established that. Call for an election of new board members...I am on the current board. I > will support you in doing this ... Ken, I am not opposed to what you want to do, in fact I support you doing it. But I am not going to do it.... > I call bullshit. I fell for this line before, and what happened? I got sandbagged. Anybody can claim any intent they want, but I can only judge results. The fact is I was invited to contribute to a 'special forum' that was set up by the board to do just what you propose. Did change occur? No. But it did have the result of walling off a controversial thread, and the function of maintaining the status quo. Deny that if you please, but provide proof. You are simply arguing from a position of inertia. You have the most to gain by maintaining stasis, since AccessD in its current form has become hard to distinguish from the 'Personality Cult of Colby', which IS A PERFECTLY VALID THING, as long as we are honest about what the group has become. -Ken -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 20:49:02 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 21:49:02 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Colby Fan club In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <512C229E.3050600@gmail.com> Charlotte, are you NOT kissing my patutie? Show of hands out there, all Colby Patutie kissers please raise their hand! But of course my fans are not allowed to actually admit being hangers on. Sorry Ken. I don't get there is any fan club here, nor any rock star either. There are a dozen folks more knowledgeable than I. Maybe twice that. Hell for all I know perhaps 100 more. I think that what is really going on is that there is no group of discontents willing to spend a quite considerable effort to make a change. There is no "walling off" happening. I would believe no one showed up for the meetings. I can't say for sure because I didn't show up. And that is probably quite irritating to the one who wants to actually do something. But while a crowd of one might be able to effect change it is unlikely. I have said I just don't care any more. AccessD is a small (and shrinking) group of amazingly knowledgeable folks. Knowledgeable about many different things, not only Access. And so I stick around just because... not because I have the need to get a ton of questions answered, though there is an occasional question. Not because I have any need to have my patutie kissed. Because I know and like a bunch of the people here. Someone called it an "old folks group" or something similar. To some extent that is very true. I actually participated in a big way a dozen years ago when I needed AccessD. Now I don't. I Google for twenty questions and if I just can't find it out there then I come to AccessD for that twenty first. Back when we resurrected AccessD I (and a bunch of other people) spent dozens of hours building the company, putting together the BOD, writing the bylaws, electing officers, having meetings, setting up the infrastructure, raising money, acquiring services. It was not me, in fact I was a bit player in the grand scheme of things. But I spent significant time none the less. Today I don't have the time nor the motivation to go through anything like that again. While Ken claims bullshit, I really do support anything anyone wants to do as long as it does not involve dragging me out of my recliner. A dozen years ago I was 45 years old, married, DINK, spent all my spare time running around Mexico enjoying the scenery and my "youth". Today I am 57 years old, have a son 11 years old and a daughter 9 years old. My daughter has significant disabilities. My energies are spent battling the system to get services for my daughter. My hours are spent working in a city 3 hours from home. My hours are spent talking on the phone to my kids at night. I just don't have any time or energy left to fighting the good fight of improving AccessD. Anyone who claims I am intentionally trying to prevent such improvements needs to reconsider their position, that simply isn't true. I will hang around and reap any rewards but I will not spend my precious time actually pushing for it to happen. I did my part the first time around. It is someone else's turn. Ken I would actually LOVE (in all caps) to have AccessD become a vibrant bustling community again with a dozen different media fronts. Go for it. I will vow in public to vote for YOU (Ken) for the board (you can run for my position) and also for PRESIDENT of the company (a position I held for several years). That should put you in a position to make the changes that you think will help. As for Charlotte, I am disappointed that you are disavowing your position as head of my fan club. Who shall I get to replace you? John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/25/2013 9:06 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > I never realized I was a groupie! Wow! Makes me feel young again ;-} > > Sorry, Ken, but I guess I missed the threads where we were all kissing JC's > patootie. I'm having a problem understanding what kind of relevancy you're > looking for in the list. Some of us have moved on but still get sucked > back into Access. I didn't think there was some kind of screening process > for belonging, especially since VBA tends to be a crossover language, by > intent. I'm not trying to bait you, I honestly don't understand what > you're looking for. From what I can see, it boils down to smart people not > using their intelligence in a way that satisfies you. Please correct me if > I'm wrong. > > Why stay around and argue about it? When I saw the direction Woody's > Lounge was going after the Great Acquisition by Windows Secrets, I bailed, > followed very quickly by the rest of the admins. We went and built our own > sandbox to play in, Eileen's Lounge. We're still doing what we did and > people are still finding us and asking indecipherable questions to which a > few bright stars actually manage to find answers. > > I'm mostly an admin in absentia, but they still value my viewpoint, so I > drop in, much like Eileen used to do, just to keep the troops in line. > > > Charlotte > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Kenneth Ismert wrote: > From garykjos at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 21:51:25 2013 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 21:51:25 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Colby Fan club In-Reply-To: <512C229E.3050600@gmail.com> References: <512C229E.3050600@gmail.com> Message-ID: I'd like to thank all the VOLUNTEERS who keep this place running. In particular Bryan Carbonnell, John Bartow and Jim Lawrence without who this list and the website up and running. I've been around since the early days during the original AccessD list days. Through the temporary versions of the lists we struggled through. I invested real money in the corporation when we needed that to get us going and again when we were low on funds. I was doing Access development back in the early days and the sources of information on how to do stuff I needed to do were pretty much nonexistent. Many of the original movers and shakers who got us to what we have today have moved on. Have a look at the shareholder list on the website and you will see many names you no longer see posting here. I personally don't have the time or the energy to take on anything else beyond what I already do. I'm thinking that if Ken and Tony and some others DO have that time and energy then I will be excited to see what they put together for us to utilize. Good luck guys. GK On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 8:49 PM, John W Colby wrote: > Charlotte, are you NOT kissing my patutie? > > Show of hands out there, all Colby Patutie kissers please raise their hand! > But of course my fans are not allowed to actually admit being hangers on. > > Sorry Ken. I don't get there is any fan club here, nor any rock star > either. There are a dozen folks more knowledgeable than I. Maybe twice > that. Hell for all I know perhaps 100 more. > > I think that what is really going on is that there is no group of > discontents willing to spend a quite considerable effort to make a change. > There is no "walling off" happening. I would believe no one showed up for > the meetings. I can't say for sure because I didn't show up. And that is > probably quite irritating to the one who wants to actually do something. > But while a crowd of one might be able to effect change it is unlikely. > > I have said I just don't care any more. AccessD is a small (and shrinking) > group of amazingly knowledgeable folks. Knowledgeable about many different > things, not only Access. And so I stick around just because... not because > I have the need to get a ton of questions answered, though there is an > occasional question. Not because I have any need to have my patutie kissed. > Because I know and like a bunch of the people here. > > Someone called it an "old folks group" or something similar. To some extent > that is very true. > > I actually participated in a big way a dozen years ago when I needed > AccessD. Now I don't. I Google for twenty questions and if I just can't > find it out there then I come to AccessD for that twenty first. Back when > we resurrected AccessD I (and a bunch of other people) spent dozens of hours > building the company, putting together the BOD, writing the bylaws, electing > officers, having meetings, setting up the infrastructure, raising money, > acquiring services. It was not me, in fact I was a bit player in the grand > scheme of things. But I spent significant time none the less. > > Today I don't have the time nor the motivation to go through anything like > that again. While Ken claims bullshit, I really do support anything anyone > wants to do as long as it does not involve dragging me out of my recliner. > > A dozen years ago I was 45 years old, married, DINK, spent all my spare time > running around Mexico enjoying the scenery and my "youth". Today I am 57 > years old, have a son 11 years old and a daughter 9 years old. My daughter > has significant disabilities. My energies are spent battling the system to > get services for my daughter. My hours are spent working in a city 3 hours > from home. My hours are spent talking on the phone to my kids at night. I > just don't have any time or energy left to fighting the good fight of > improving AccessD. Anyone who claims I am intentionally trying to prevent > such improvements needs to reconsider their position, that simply isn't > true. I will hang around and reap any rewards but I will not spend my > precious time actually pushing for it to happen. I did my part the first > time around. It is someone else's turn. > > Ken I would actually LOVE (in all caps) to have AccessD become a vibrant > bustling community again with a dozen different media fronts. Go for it. I > will vow in public to vote for YOU (Ken) for the board (you can run for my > position) and also for PRESIDENT of the company (a position I held for > several years). That should put you in a position to make the changes > that you think will help. > > As for Charlotte, I am disappointed that you are disavowing your position as > head of my fan club. Who shall I get to replace you? > > John W. Colby > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 2/25/2013 9:06 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: >> >> I never realized I was a groupie! Wow! Makes me feel young again ;-} >> >> Sorry, Ken, but I guess I missed the threads where we were all kissing >> JC's >> patootie. I'm having a problem understanding what kind of relevancy >> you're >> looking for in the list. Some of us have moved on but still get sucked >> back into Access. I didn't think there was some kind of screening process >> for belonging, especially since VBA tends to be a crossover language, by >> intent. I'm not trying to bait you, I honestly don't understand what >> you're looking for. From what I can see, it boils down to smart people >> not >> using their intelligence in a way that satisfies you. Please correct me >> if >> I'm wrong. >> >> Why stay around and argue about it? When I saw the direction Woody's >> Lounge was going after the Great Acquisition by Windows Secrets, I bailed, >> followed very quickly by the rest of the admins. We went and built our >> own >> sandbox to play in, Eileen's Lounge. We're still doing what we did and >> people are still finding us and asking indecipherable questions to which a >> few bright stars actually manage to find answers. >> >> I'm mostly an admin in absentia, but they still value my viewpoint, so I >> drop in, much like Eileen used to do, just to keep the troops in line. >> >> >> Charlotte >> >> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Kenneth Ismert wrote: >> > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Feb 25 22:00:15 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 20:00:15 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6BF46416007A40338A76B3C0774458F4@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Kenneth: I am impressed...and you are voting for closing up Accessd? Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 5:55 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD never changes > > Jim Lawrence: > Ha ha ha ;-) > So what business have you been in the last few years? Impress me and tell > me > it has been working steady with MS Access. > OK. I've been working steady with MS Access over the last few years--Scout's Honor! Now can we hear your punchline? I'm curious to see how you resolve your self-contradictory "I want to keep things the same -- but our stated goal is now completely irrelevant" argument. -Ken -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kismert at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 22:51:42 2013 From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 22:51:42 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] MESSAGE ON BEHALF OF FEARLESS BOARD MEMBER COLBY Message-ID: Ladies and gents: Rarely does a member's reply merit parody, but this one does. Remember kids, everything in " " is an actual Colby quote! ** BEGIN PARODY ** Board member Colby announced his do nothing agenda to his throngs of change deniers, "because I don't care." He continued addressing his adoring crowd on the subject of change: "But I am not going to do it. And waiting for me to do it is an automatic death knell." One of his followers fairly swooned, saying you can't get less leadership from a bump on a log. Colby finished with a rousing summary, indicating his lack of compunction about his utter apathy: "'I am not Catholic' as I like to tell my wife. I don't do guilt." ** END PARODY ** Now seriously. I haven't heard a clearer expression of dereliction of duty from a board officer, ever. Unforced, I must add. By any moral sense, he is unfit for his office. Therefore, I call on you, sir, to resign. From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz Mon Feb 25 23:05:14 2013 From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 18:05:14 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] MESSAGE ON BEHALF OF FEARLESS BOARD MEMBER COLBY In-Reply-To: <2D4CDF220370461B829833EBE13C62B3@BondSoftware.local> References: <2D4CDF220370461B829833EBE13C62B3@BondSoftware.local> Message-ID: This thread has moved away from entertaining. Unless this whole e-mail is tongue-in-cheek, I'm uncomfortable with ad hominem attacks. Moderator? Stephen Bond -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert Sent: Tuesday, 26 February 2013 6:01 p.m. To: Stephen Subject: [AccessD] MESSAGE ON BEHALF OF FEARLESS BOARD MEMBER COLBY Ladies and gents: Rarely does a member's reply merit parody, but this one does. Remember kids, everything in " " is an actual Colby quote! ** BEGIN PARODY ** Board member Colby announced his do nothing agenda to his throngs of change deniers, "because I don't care." He continued addressing his adoring crowd on the subject of change: "But I am not going to do it. And waiting for me to do it is an automatic death knell." One of his followers fairly swooned, saying you can't get less leadership from a bump on a log. Colby finished with a rousing summary, indicating his lack of compunction about his utter apathy: "'I am not Catholic' as I like to tell my wife. I don't do guilt." ** END PARODY ** Now seriously. I haven't heard a clearer expression of dereliction of duty from a board officer, ever. Unforced, I must add. By any moral sense, he is unfit for his office. Therefore, I call on you, sir, to resign. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Tue Feb 26 01:33:47 2013 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 01:33:47 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Intervention Message-ID: <00dd01ce13f3$9d8087b0$d8819710$@winhaven.net> This is an official cease and desist order. From all of you. Let's chill with the personal attacks and anything else that isn't access related. Geez, can't watch the list for a few days and this happens? I'll pull this car over! If I wake up and find this hasn't stopped I'll pull the plug on the whole list. That's a promise. John Bartow, President Database Advisors, Inc. From gustav at cactus.dk Tue Feb 26 02:51:06 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 09:51:06 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] I just do not get it. Message-ID: <001a01ce13fe$6a572500$3f056f00$@cactus.dk> Hi Tony You should join our dba-vb list. Several times I have mentioned LightSwitch as a valid replacement for "bread-and-butter" line-of-business applications: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/vstudio/ff796201 That requires knowledge of C# which is a continuous learning experience you won't regret - it's a beautiful language. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Tony Septav Sendt: 25. februar 2013 23:20 Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Emne: [AccessD] I just do not get it. Hey All This is a group, a family and yes we may all be aging and have been doing so for years. Why are we not supporting each other by providing information on new technologies (programs), directions to go and possible alternatives. I am tired as crap of saying we have all kind of brilliant people on this list ( but due to ego problems whatever, we cannot get together). We should not quit supporting Access, but many of you have moved on "BUT YOU HAVE NOT QUIT THE GROUP". There are nay sayers and supporters. Let us rally together and stop the IN fighting and decide constructively where do we go from here. I do not at the moment have any constructive directions to follow but it would be sad to see the list just self destruct upon itself. Again my whatever worth. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada From jwcolby at gmail.com Tue Feb 26 07:25:05 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 08:25:05 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] MESSAGE ON BEHALF OF FEARLESS BOARD MEMBER COLBY In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <512CB7B1.1070000@gmail.com> Ken, Please stop the attacks on me, I am not your enemy. The DatabaseAdvisors ship is on auto pilot and has been for years. Management intentionally set it up to be on autopilot. If a board meeting is called, I will show up. I won't resign but as I said I will support you (or anyone else who really wants to) in taking my spot. The board has to have a certain number of members in order to conduct business should it decide to have a meeting. If all the board members just resigned then we would have to elect new ones before anything could happen. DatabaseAdvisors is in fact a real corporation, incorporated in DE, with shareholders and officers and all that stuff. Are you interested in taking a leadership role? Can you find "a quorum" of other current members ready to stand up and take over leadership of AccessD? I will vote, and (as I said) I will vote for you in spite of your personal attacks on me and other members. I think you are serious about wanting to change AccessD and that is a good thing. John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/25/2013 11:51 PM, Kenneth Ismert wrote: > Ladies and gents: > > Rarely does a member's reply merit parody, but this one does. Remember > kids, everything in " " is an actual Colby quote! > > ** BEGIN PARODY ** > > Board member Colby announced his do nothing agenda to his throngs of change > deniers, "because I don't care." > > He continued addressing his adoring crowd on the subject of change: "But I > am not going to do it. And waiting for me to do it is an automatic death > knell." > > One of his followers fairly swooned, saying you can't get less leadership > from a bump on a log. > > Colby finished with a rousing summary, indicating his lack of compunction > about his utter apathy: "'I am not Catholic' as I like to tell my wife. I > don't do guilt." > > ** END PARODY ** > > Now seriously. I haven't heard a clearer expression of dereliction of duty > from a board officer, ever. Unforced, I must add. By any moral sense, he is > unfit for his office. > > Therefore, I call on you, sir, to resign. From jimdettman at verizon.net Tue Feb 26 08:25:24 2013 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 09:25:24 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] MESSAGE ON BEHALF OF FEARLESS BOARD MEMBER COLBY In-Reply-To: <512CB7B1.1070000@gmail.com> References: <512CB7B1.1070000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2F075248292F4808A255CC9C5C1F5395@XPS> <> Actually, it's even simpler then that. Ken (or anyone) only needs to setup a forum "The new Access Hangout" and post a message here saying "I'm leaving for the new Access Hangout Forum. Please join me." Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 08:25 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] MESSAGE ON BEHALF OF FEARLESS BOARD MEMBER COLBY Ken, From jwcolby at gmail.com Tue Feb 26 08:35:42 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 09:35:42 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] MESSAGE ON BEHALF OF FEARLESS BOARD MEMBER COLBY In-Reply-To: <2F075248292F4808A255CC9C5C1F5395@XPS> References: <512CB7B1.1070000@gmail.com> <2F075248292F4808A255CC9C5C1F5395@XPS> Message-ID: <512CC83E.6050300@gmail.com> Well maybe. If he wants to set up forums, get us a facebook page, twitter or any of the rest of that kind of stuff then he needs to really take the reins. Or are you saying outside of AccessD / database advisors? He seems to be saying he wants to help DatabaseAdvisors become more relevant in the Access community. To do that he probably should attempt to do so from the inside management. John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/26/2013 9:25 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: > < of other current members > ready to stand up and take over leadership of AccessD? I will vote, and (as > I said) I will vote for > you in spite of your personal attacks on me and other members. I think you > are serious about > wanting to change AccessD and that is a good thing.>> > > Actually, it's even simpler then that. > > Ken (or anyone) only needs to setup a forum "The new Access Hangout" and > post a message here saying "I'm leaving for the new Access Hangout Forum. > Please join me." > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 08:25 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] MESSAGE ON BEHALF OF FEARLESS BOARD MEMBER COLBY > > Ken, > > From guss at beechnutconsulting.com Tue Feb 26 11:03:57 2013 From: guss at beechnutconsulting.com (Guss Ginsburg) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 11:03:57 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Password for Code Message-ID: <000001ce1443$442ff100$cc8fd300$@beechnutconsulting.com> I have inherited a database from Access 2002 that has the code protected by a password, which nobody around here seems to know. Is there a way to find out what the PW is or to remove it so I can get in and modify code, etc? I tried a couple of programs to crack Access passwords, which both indicated my db was not pw-protected. But the code is. Thanks. Sincerely yours, Guss Ginsburg Beechnut Consulting Services Phone: 504-252-9131 Cell: 713-553-6298 www.beechnutconsulting.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Tue Feb 26 11:22:14 2013 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 06:22:14 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] MESSAGE ON BEHALF OF FEARLESS BOARD MEMBER COLBY In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You aint been in too many board meetings I guess. On Feb 25, 2013 11:52 PM, "Kenneth Ismert" wrote: > Ladies and gents: > > Rarely does a member's reply merit parody, but this one does. Remember > kids, everything in " " is an actual Colby quote! > > ** BEGIN PARODY ** > > Board member Colby announced his do nothing agenda to his throngs of change > deniers, "because I don't care." > > He continued addressing his adoring crowd on the subject of change: "But I > am not going to do it. And waiting for me to do it is an automatic death > knell." > > One of his followers fairly swooned, saying you can't get less leadership > from a bump on a log. > > Colby finished with a rousing summary, indicating his lack of compunction > about his utter apathy: "'I am not Catholic' as I like to tell my wife. I > don't do guilt." > > ** END PARODY ** > > Now seriously. I haven't heard a clearer expression of dereliction of duty > from a board officer, ever. Unforced, I must add. By any moral sense, he is > unfit for his office. > > Therefore, I call on you, sir, to resign. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jimdettman at verizon.net Tue Feb 26 11:26:58 2013 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 12:26:58 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Password for Code In-Reply-To: <000001ce1443$442ff100$cc8fd300$@beechnutconsulting.com> References: <000001ce1443$442ff100$cc8fd300$@beechnutconsulting.com> Message-ID: You need a VBA project password recovery tool. The VBA code can be protected by a password, which is separate from Access User Level Security or a database password. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Guss Ginsburg Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:04 PM To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] Password for Code I have inherited a database from Access 2002 that has the code protected by a password, which nobody around here seems to know. Is there a way to find out what the PW is or to remove it so I can get in and modify code, etc? I tried a couple of programs to crack Access passwords, which both indicated my db was not pw-protected. But the code is. Thanks. Sincerely yours, Guss Ginsburg Beechnut Consulting Services Phone: 504-252-9131 Cell: 713-553-6298 www.beechnutconsulting.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From paul.hartland at googlemail.com Tue Feb 26 11:28:22 2013 From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 17:28:22 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Password for Code In-Reply-To: References: <000001ce1443$442ff100$cc8fd300$@beechnutconsulting.com> Message-ID: Well I never knew you could just protect code in an Access database, I love this list all the years I have worked with Access (ammittedly not too much in recent years as been VB6 and SQL) and you still learn something new everyday, Paul On 26 February 2013 17:26, Jim Dettman wrote: > > You need a VBA project password recovery tool. > > The VBA code can be protected by a password, which is separate from Access > User Level Security or a database password. > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Guss Ginsburg > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:04 PM > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [AccessD] Password for Code > > I have inherited a database from Access 2002 that has the code protected by > a password, which nobody around here seems to know. Is there a way to find > out what the PW is or to remove it so I can get in and modify code, etc? > > > > I tried a couple of programs to crack Access passwords, which both > indicated > my db was not pw-protected. But the code is. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Sincerely yours, > > > > Guss Ginsburg > > Beechnut Consulting Services > > Phone: 504-252-9131 > > Cell: 713-553-6298 > > www.beechnutconsulting.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Tue Feb 26 11:55:26 2013 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 09:55:26 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Password for Code In-Reply-To: <000001ce1443$442ff100$cc8fd300$@beechnutconsulting.com> References: <000001ce1443$442ff100$cc8fd300$@beechnutconsulting.com> Message-ID: It sounds like you have an mde. In that case, you aren't dealing with a password but with compiled, which can't be changed anyhow. Could that be the case ? Charlotte On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Guss Ginsburg wrote: > I have inherited a database from Access 2002 that has the code protected by > a password, which nobody around here seems to know. Is there a way to find > out what the PW is or to remove it so I can get in and modify code, etc? > > > > I tried a couple of programs to crack Access passwords, which both > indicated > my db was not pw-protected. But the code is. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Sincerely yours, > > > > Guss Ginsburg > > Beechnut Consulting Services > > Phone: 504-252-9131 > > Cell: 713-553-6298 > > www.beechnutconsulting.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at gmail.com Tue Feb 26 11:57:05 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 12:57:05 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Password for Code In-Reply-To: <000001ce1443$442ff100$cc8fd300$@beechnutconsulting.com> References: <000001ce1443$442ff100$cc8fd300$@beechnutconsulting.com> Message-ID: <512CF771.2090105@gmail.com> Yes, there are password crackers on the internet that will break Access passwords. I don't have a url at my fingertips. John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/26/2013 12:03 PM, Guss Ginsburg wrote: > I have inherited a database from Access 2002 that has the code protected by > a password, which nobody around here seems to know. Is there a way to find > out what the PW is or to remove it so I can get in and modify code, etc? > > > > I tried a couple of programs to crack Access passwords, which both indicated > my db was not pw-protected. But the code is. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Sincerely yours, > > > > Guss Ginsburg > > Beechnut Consulting Services > > Phone: 504-252-9131 > > Cell: 713-553-6298 > > www.beechnutconsulting.com > > > From marksimms at verizon.net Tue Feb 26 11:59:00 2013 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 12:59:00 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] MESSAGE ON BEHALF OF FEARLESS BOARD MEMBER COLBY In-Reply-To: References: <2D4CDF220370461B829833EBE13C62B3@BondSoftware.local> Message-ID: <000001ce144a$f5a13000$e0e39000$@net> Yeah , no more personal attacks please. > This thread has moved away from entertaining. Unless this whole e-mail > is tongue-in-cheek, I'm uncomfortable with ad hominem attacks. > Moderator? > > Stephen Bond From vbacreations at gmail.com Tue Feb 26 12:07:27 2013 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 13:07:27 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] MESSAGE ON BEHALF OF FEARLESS BOARD MEMBER COLBY In-Reply-To: <000001ce144a$f5a13000$e0e39000$@net> References: <2D4CDF220370461B829833EBE13C62B3@BondSoftware.local> <000001ce144a$f5a13000$e0e39000$@net> Message-ID: Or if one must make it personal ... and sometimes one simply must, that is understadaable... take it offlist and discuss it. Assuming the other party is amenable to getting past a sticking point. And if not, then you are wasting the energy and everyone's reading time anyway. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:59 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] MESSAGE ON BEHALF OF FEARLESS BOARD MEMBER COLBY Yeah , no more personal attacks please. > This thread has moved away from entertaining. Unless this whole > e-mail is tongue-in-cheek, I'm uncomfortable with ad hominem attacks. > Moderator? > > Stephen Bond -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Tue Feb 26 14:32:16 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 12:32:16 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Changed From "AccessD never changes" to "Sharing ofinformation" In-Reply-To: References: <201302222259.r1MMxnsG001576@databaseadvisors.com> <01d501ce12cd$a3656550$ea302ff0$@net> <512A89A7.4935.56D94C44@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <9AB5A49F989D49E783EB1340B052F35C@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: If I were to suggest what technologies to focus on from a web developer point of view, it would definitely be: BACKEND: PHP, Ruby on Rails, Python + Django, Node.js FRONT-END: Bootstrap, Backbone.js, Knockout.js, jQuery SERVER: Apache, Nginx, Amazon Web Services If you want a framework for rapidly developing mobile-friendly sites that work cross all the different devices, I would recommend Sencha Touch. They are all open source, so you don't need to spend a dime and they don't try to force you into a "one single technology stack and IDE to rule them all". - Hans * Hans-Christian Andersen **Web Application Developer, Vancouver, Canada* E: hans at phulse.com T: +44 (0)20 7193 7841 L: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/andersenhc http://www.nokenode.com/ *Unique Gifts, Collectables, Artwork* *Come one, come all to.... *www.corinnajasmine.com * * On 25 February 2013 18:08, Charlotte Foust wrote: > That's the main reason my website in no in WordPress, even though my blog > is. > > Charlotte > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > One more note, if you are using Wordpress for your business and have > > private > > information in it is best to run it internally, only. > > > > The hacking of Wordpress sites is legendary...any script kiddies can do > it > > with ease. > > > > Jim > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Tue Feb 26 15:15:00 2013 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 16:15:00 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] MESSAGE ON BEHALF OF FEARLESS BOARD MEMBER COLBY In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <512D25D4.3030508@torchlake.com> I may be being very sensitive at this moment, dealing daily as I am with my father's really bad health. But, I am really uncomfortable with anybody attacking a list member. I am especially uncomfortable when the person being attacked is someone I regard as a personal friend. If I fail to stand up for him I fail to meet my own moral standards. So. . . please do not attack my friend John Colby, a man who has given many hours of kind willingness to share what he has learned, or invented, with all of us. I learn valuable treasure from JC every time he publishes or posts a new lesson. Whenever I have asked him directly for assistance, he has done his best to assist me. What more are we truly to ask of one another in this list? We share our knowledge and help each other with Access development issues. I am very grateful for this list and for the people on it. I really do not want to fight with anyone, and I don't want to witness a fight. I simply cannot honorably stand by and allow one colleague to attack another. Tina Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 2/25/2013 11:51 PM, Kenneth Ismert wrote: > Ladies and gents: > > Rarely does a member's reply merit parody, but this one does. Remember > kids, everything in " " is an actual Colby quote! > > ** BEGIN PARODY ** > > Board member Colby announced his do nothing agenda to his throngs of change > deniers, "because I don't care." > > He continued addressing his adoring crowd on the subject of change: "But I > am not going to do it. And waiting for me to do it is an automatic death > knell." > > One of his followers fairly swooned, saying you can't get less leadership > from a bump on a log. > > Colby finished with a rousing summary, indicating his lack of compunction > about his utter apathy: "'I am not Catholic' as I like to tell my wife. I > don't do guilt." > > ** END PARODY ** > > Now seriously. I haven't heard a clearer expression of dereliction of duty > from a board officer, ever. Unforced, I must add. By any moral sense, he is > unfit for his office. > > Therefore, I call on you, sir, to resign. From tinanfields at torchlake.com Tue Feb 26 15:34:11 2013 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 16:34:11 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Inquiry System Built With Access 2007 Performance Concern Partial Key In-Reply-To: References: <201302222259.r1MMxnsG001576@databaseadvisors.com> <33734CB7D9204CC48E2896669004A914@XPS> Message-ID: <512D2A53.4090109@torchlake.com> Okay, I'm probably missing something here. Can you write new queries? If you can, couldn't you make a select query qselA that pulls all the fields of that table, then use qselA as the source for qselB that uses the pair of fields as a compound PK? Sorry if I'm being dense. T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 2/24/2013 11:30 AM, Brad Marks wrote: > Jim, > > Thanks for your assistance. > > >>> While you cannot change anything existing, can you add a view to the SQL >>> database? > We are not able to add views to the SQL-Server database. We cannot make any updates to anything, except to update data via the purchased package front-end screens. > > > >>> Not sure I understand this part. When you link the table, do you see the >>> index with both fields and is that set as the PK field or no? > It appears that the table has a compound key (Part-ID and Routing-Sequence-Number). > The Access-based Inquiry system that we have built has the Part-ID, but not the Routing Sequence-Number available. When I tried to join this table in one of the existing queries, the data was returned, but it took a long time. I have tried several variations of the query and ran quite a few tests. Due to the slowness, I have started to consider alternative approaches. I don't have a lot of experience with obtaining data from a table with only a partial key. I would guess that a sweep of the entire table is being performed, therefore the slowness. > > Brad > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Jim Dettman > Sent: Sun 2/24/2013 10:03 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Inquiry System Built With Access 2007 ?Performance Concern - Partial Key > > Brad, > > < etc. in any of the tables in the purchased system. We can only read the > data. >> > > While you cannot change anything existing, can you add a view to the SQL > database? > > < available. Only the Part_ID is available, not the Routing_Sequence_Number. > (Not all Parts have routings, all we need to discern is whether a part has a > routing or not) >> > > Not sure I understand this part. When you link the table, do you see the > index with both fields and is that set as the PK field or no? > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 06:20 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Inquiry System Built With Access 2007 ? Performance > Concern - Partial Key > > All, > > We have an Inquiry System that obtains data from a purchased package's SQL > Server database via ODBC. > > The Inquiry System works nicely and response time is quite fast for all > screens. > > We are not able to change any of the tables, keys, relationships, indexes, > etc. in any of the tables in the purchased system. We can only read the > data. > > Recently, a request has been made where we will need to pull data that will > come from a table that has not been used by the Inquiry System before. > > Here is the catch. The new table that we now want to pull data from has a > two-part key (Part_ID, and Routing_Sequence_Number). > > Currently the Inquiry System does not have the second part of the key > available. Only the Part_ID is available, not the Routing_Sequence_Number. > (Not all Parts have routings, all we need to discern is whether a part has a > routing or not) > > When we try to obtain data from this table with only the Part_ID, the data > is returned, but response time is slow. This table has about 2,000 rows. > > I am considering two approaches and decided to see if anyone else has run > into something similar and has advice. > > Approach-1. Build an Access table from the SQL Server table, that has only > Part_ID for the key. > > Approach-2. Use the SQL Server data to build an array when the inquiry > system is first initiated then obtain the data from the array. > > I would guess that there may be other approaches that would work better. > > I appreciate your assistance. > > Thanks, > Brad > > > From jackandpat.d at gmail.com Tue Feb 26 16:12:56 2013 From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 17:12:56 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] MESSAGE ON BEHALF OF FEARLESS BOARD MEMBER COLBY In-Reply-To: <512D25D4.3030508@torchlake.com> References: <512D25D4.3030508@torchlake.com> Message-ID: Well said Tina, I agree. On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Tina Norris Fields < tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote: > I may be being very sensitive at this moment, dealing daily as I am with > my father's really bad health. But, I am really uncomfortable with anybody > attacking a list member. I am especially uncomfortable when the person > being attacked is someone I regard as a personal friend. If I fail to > stand up for him I fail to meet my own moral standards. > > So. . . please do not attack my friend John Colby, a man who has given > many hours of kind willingness to share what he has learned, or invented, > with all of us. I learn valuable treasure from JC every time he publishes > or posts a new lesson. Whenever I have asked him directly for assistance, > he has done his best to assist me. What more are we truly to ask of one > another in this list? We share our knowledge and help each other with > Access development issues. I am very grateful for this list and for the > people on it. I really do not want to fight with anyone, and I don't want > to witness a fight. I simply cannot honorably stand by and allow one > colleague to attack another. > > Tina > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields at torchlake.com > 231-322-2787 > > > On 2/25/2013 11:51 PM, Kenneth Ismert wrote: > >> Ladies and gents: >> >> Rarely does a member's reply merit parody, but this one does. Remember >> kids, everything in " " is an actual Colby quote! >> >> ** BEGIN PARODY ** >> >> Board member Colby announced his do nothing agenda to his throngs of >> change >> deniers, "because I don't care." >> >> He continued addressing his adoring crowd on the subject of change: "But I >> am not going to do it. And waiting for me to do it is an automatic death >> knell." >> >> One of his followers fairly swooned, saying you can't get less leadership >> from a bump on a log. >> >> Colby finished with a rousing summary, indicating his lack of compunction >> about his utter apathy: "'I am not Catholic' as I like to tell my wife. I >> don't do guilt." >> >> ** END PARODY ** >> >> Now seriously. I haven't heard a clearer expression of dereliction of duty >> from a board officer, ever. Unforced, I must add. By any moral sense, he >> is >> unfit for his office. >> >> Therefore, I call on you, sir, to resign. >> > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From jwcolby at gmail.com Tue Feb 26 21:42:01 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 22:42:01 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Getting into libraries Message-ID: <512D8089.2000900@gmail.com> I have decided to take a short detour into how to use a library. While it takes a bit of setting up, it really opens up the horizons. jwcolby.blogspot.com -- John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From df.waters at comcast.net Wed Feb 27 10:56:58 2013 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 10:56:58 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Getting into libraries In-Reply-To: <512D8089.2000900@gmail.com> References: <512D8089.2000900@gmail.com> Message-ID: <002a01ce150b$7496da70$5dc48f50$@comcast.net> Hi John, I've use a library for several years. Each of my systems at my customers uses it as the 'base' for the app. It has about 80 objects and 25K lines of code. Some thoughts: 1) My Library is an mdb. I've never tried to use an mda. I just add the PSILibrary.mdb file to the references in the Main app file. 2) You can any object into a library. Putting commonly used forms and reports into a library is very efficient for a developer. You do it like this: In the library, put this into a module: Public Sub OpenLibraryForm(stgFormName As String, _ Optional acFormView As Variant = acNormal, _ Optional varFilterName As Variant = "", _ Optional varWhereCondition As Variant = "", _ Optional acFormOpenDataMode As Variant = acFormPropertySettings, _ Optional acWindowMode As Variant = acWindowNormal, _ Optional varOpenArgs As Variant = "") DoCmd.OpenForm stgFormName, acFormView, varFilterName, _ varWhereCondition, acFormOpenDataMode, acWindowMode, varOpenArgs End Sub Now from the main app you can call this procedure like: Call OpenLibraryForm("frmFormInLibrary") And, you can add in any of the form's opening parameters that you like. Opening a report works the same way. 3) While code is running in the Library, you can call a procedure in the Main app like this: Application.Run("ProcedureName","1stParameter", "2ndParameter") and so on. You need to test this carefully because the procedure name and the parameter types are not checked while compiling. 4) You need to be aware of the difference between CurrentDB and CodeDB. For example, if you do this in the Library: Set rst = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("qryName", dbopensnapshot) And "qryName" exists in the Library but not in the Main app, this will error out because CurrentDB looks for the query in the Main app, but not in the Library. If you do this: Set rst = CodeDb.OpenRecordset("qryName",dbOpenSnapshot) And if "qryName" is in the Library, then this will work. Good Luck! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:42 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Getting into libraries I have decided to take a short detour into how to use a library. While it takes a bit of setting up, it really opens up the horizons. jwcolby.blogspot.com -- John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 12:03:26 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 13:03:26 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] MESSAGE ON BEHALF OF FEARLESS BOARD MEMBER COLBY In-Reply-To: References: <512D25D4.3030508@torchlake.com> Message-ID: As a senior citizen (officially retired), I have time on my hands, and am willing to volunteer to play some administrative part in our present-and-future directions. Over the years that I have belong to our lists, I have learned a ton and made some friends here, and I value that immensely. If I can help, in any way, I would be happy to do so. More times than I can enumerate, people here have saved my bacon! And I stand ready to pay back and pay forward to my beloved community. A. On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 5:12 PM, jack drawbridge wrote: > Well said Tina, I agree. > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Tina Norris Fields < > tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote: > > > I may be being very sensitive at this moment, dealing daily as I am with > > my father's really bad health. But, I am really uncomfortable with > anybody > > attacking a list member. I am especially uncomfortable when the person > > being attacked is someone I regard as a personal friend. If I fail to > > stand up for him I fail to meet my own moral standards. > > > > So. . . please do not attack my friend John Colby, a man who has given > > many hours of kind willingness to share what he has learned, or invented, > > with all of us. I learn valuable treasure from JC every time he > publishes > > or posts a new lesson. Whenever I have asked him directly for > assistance, > > he has done his best to assist me. What more are we truly to ask of one > > another in this list? We share our knowledge and help each other with > > Access development issues. I am very grateful for this list and for the > > people on it. I really do not want to fight with anyone, and I don't > want > > to witness a fight. I simply cannot honorably stand by and allow one > > colleague to attack another. > > > > Tina > > > > Tina Norris Fields > > tinanfields at torchlake.com > > 231-322-2787 > > > > > > On 2/25/2013 11:51 PM, Kenneth Ismert wrote: > > > >> Ladies and gents: > >> > >> Rarely does a member's reply merit parody, but this one does. Remember > >> kids, everything in " " is an actual Colby quote! > >> > >> ** BEGIN PARODY ** > >> > >> Board member Colby announced his do nothing agenda to his throngs of > >> change > >> deniers, "because I don't care." > >> > >> He continued addressing his adoring crowd on the subject of change: > "But I > >> am not going to do it. And waiting for me to do it is an automatic > death > >> knell." > >> > >> One of his followers fairly swooned, saying you can't get less > leadership > >> from a bump on a log. > >> > >> Colby finished with a rousing summary, indicating his lack of > compunction > >> about his utter apathy: "'I am not Catholic' as I like to tell my wife. > I > >> don't do guilt." > >> > >> ** END PARODY ** > >> > >> Now seriously. I haven't heard a clearer expression of dereliction of > duty > >> from a board officer, ever. Unforced, I must add. By any moral sense, he > >> is > >> unfit for his office. > >> > >> Therefore, I call on you, sir, to resign. > >> > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd< > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com< > http://www.databaseadvisors.com> > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From paul4pr at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 12:13:53 2013 From: paul4pr at gmail.com (paul) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 18:13:53 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] MESSAGE ON BEHALF OF FEARLESS BOARD MEMBER COLBY In-Reply-To: References: <512D25D4.3030508@torchlake.com> Message-ID: Very nice, Arthur. Hear hear! You've helped a huge number of us, even back in those days when you were seriously unwell. Be very good to have you here for a long time to come - very good to know your extensive knowledge remains available. Best wishes paul Paul Rodgers On 27 February 2013 18:03, Arthur Fuller wrote: > As a senior citizen (officially retired), I have time on my hands, and am > willing to volunteer to play some administrative part in our > present-and-future directions. > > Over the years that I have belong to our lists, I have learned a ton and > made some friends here, and I value that immensely. > > If I can help, in any way, I would be happy to do so. More times than I can > enumerate, people here have saved my bacon! And I stand ready to pay back > and pay forward to my beloved community. > > A. > > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 5:12 PM, jack drawbridge wrote: > >> Well said Tina, I agree. >> >> On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Tina Norris Fields < >> tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote: >> >> > I may be being very sensitive at this moment, dealing daily as I am with >> > my father's really bad health. But, I am really uncomfortable with >> anybody >> > attacking a list member. I am especially uncomfortable when the person >> > being attacked is someone I regard as a personal friend. If I fail to >> > stand up for him I fail to meet my own moral standards. >> > >> > So. . . please do not attack my friend John Colby, a man who has given >> > many hours of kind willingness to share what he has learned, or invented, >> > with all of us. I learn valuable treasure from JC every time he >> publishes >> > or posts a new lesson. Whenever I have asked him directly for >> assistance, >> > he has done his best to assist me. What more are we truly to ask of one >> > another in this list? We share our knowledge and help each other with >> > Access development issues. I am very grateful for this list and for the >> > people on it. I really do not want to fight with anyone, and I don't >> want >> > to witness a fight. I simply cannot honorably stand by and allow one >> > colleague to attack another. >> > >> > Tina >> > >> > Tina Norris Fields >> > tinanfields at torchlake.com >> > 231-322-2787 >> > >> > >> > On 2/25/2013 11:51 PM, Kenneth Ismert wrote: >> > >> >> Ladies and gents: >> >> >> >> Rarely does a member's reply merit parody, but this one does. Remember >> >> kids, everything in " " is an actual Colby quote! >> >> >> >> ** BEGIN PARODY ** >> >> >> >> Board member Colby announced his do nothing agenda to his throngs of >> >> change >> >> deniers, "because I don't care." >> >> >> >> He continued addressing his adoring crowd on the subject of change: >> "But I >> >> am not going to do it. And waiting for me to do it is an automatic >> death >> >> knell." >> >> >> >> One of his followers fairly swooned, saying you can't get less >> leadership >> >> from a bump on a log. >> >> >> >> Colby finished with a rousing summary, indicating his lack of >> compunction >> >> about his utter apathy: "'I am not Catholic' as I like to tell my wife. >> I >> >> don't do guilt." >> >> >> >> ** END PARODY ** >> >> >> >> Now seriously. I haven't heard a clearer expression of dereliction of >> duty >> >> from a board officer, ever. Unforced, I must add. By any moral sense, he >> >> is >> >> unfit for his office. >> >> >> >> Therefore, I call on you, sir, to resign. >> >> >> > >> > -- >> > AccessD mailing list >> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd< >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com< >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com> >> > >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 12:18:27 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 13:18:27 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Inquiry System Built With Access 2007 Performance Concern Partial Key In-Reply-To: <512D2A53.4090109@torchlake.com> References: <201302222259.r1MMxnsG001576@databaseadvisors.com> <33734CB7D9204CC48E2896669004A914@XPS> <512D2A53.4090109@torchlake.com> Message-ID: Tina, You and I seem both to be missing something here. I'm relieved to know that I am not alone in this. Unless Brad has mis-stated the problem, I don't get it. The home-built Inquiry System ought to be able to do just about anything with the linked-source-data; and if massages are required on said source-data, that's what ETL is for. (Install a free copy of SQL Server Express, design some ETL, and you're done.) Brad, I fail to see the problem here. Please expound. Thanks, On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Tina Norris Fields < tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote: > Okay, I'm probably missing something here. Can you write new queries? If > you can, couldn't you make a select query qselA that pulls all the fields > of that table, then use qselA as the source for qselB that uses the pair of > fields as a compound PK? Sorry if I'm being dense. > T > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields at torchlake.com > 231-322-2787 > > > On 2/24/2013 11:30 AM, Brad Marks wrote: > >> Jim, >> >> Thanks for your assistance. >> >> >> While you cannot change anything existing, can you add a view to the SQL >>>> database? >>>> >>> We are not able to add views to the SQL-Server database. We cannot make >> any updates to anything, except to update data via the purchased package >> front-end screens. >> >> >> >> Not sure I understand this part. When you link the table, do you see the >>>> index with both fields and is that set as the PK field or no? >>>> >>> It appears that the table has a compound key (Part-ID and >> Routing-Sequence-Number). >> The Access-based Inquiry system that we have built has the Part-ID, but >> not the Routing Sequence-Number available. When I tried to join this table >> in one of the existing queries, the data was returned, but it took a long >> time. I have tried several variations of the query and ran quite a few >> tests. Due to the slowness, I have started to consider alternative >> approaches. I don't have a lot of experience with obtaining data from a >> table with only a partial key. I would guess that a sweep of the entire >> table is being performed, therefore the slowness. >> >> Brad >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.comon behalf of Jim Dettman >> Sent: Sun 2/24/2013 10:03 AM >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Inquiry System Built With Access 2007 ?Performance >> Concern - Partial Key >> Brad, >> >> <> indexes, >> etc. in any of the tables in the purchased system. We can only read the >> data. >> >> >> While you cannot change anything existing, can you add a view to the SQL >> database? >> >> <> available. Only the Part_ID is available, not the >> Routing_Sequence_Number. >> (Not all Parts have routings, all we need to discern is whether a part >> has a >> routing or not) >> >> >> Not sure I understand this part. When you link the table, do you see >> the >> index with both fields and is that set as the PK field or no? >> >> Jim. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com] >> On Behalf Of Brad Marks >> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 06:20 PM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: [AccessD] Inquiry System Built With Access 2007 ? Performance >> Concern - Partial Key >> >> All, >> >> We have an Inquiry System that obtains data from a purchased package's SQL >> Server database via ODBC. >> >> The Inquiry System works nicely and response time is quite fast for all >> screens. >> >> We are not able to change any of the tables, keys, relationships, indexes, >> etc. in any of the tables in the purchased system. We can only read the >> data. >> Recently, a request has been made where we will need to pull data that >> will >> come from a table that has not been used by the Inquiry System before. >> >> Here is the catch. The new table that we now want to pull data from has a >> two-part key (Part_ID, and Routing_Sequence_Number). >> >> Currently the Inquiry System does not have the second part of the key >> available. Only the Part_ID is available, not the >> Routing_Sequence_Number. >> (Not all Parts have routings, all we need to discern is whether a part >> has a >> routing or not) >> >> When we try to obtain data from this table with only the Part_ID, the data >> is returned, but response time is slow. This table has about 2,000 rows. >> >> I am considering two approaches and decided to see if anyone else has run >> into something similar and has advice. >> >> Approach-1. Build an Access table from the SQL Server table, that has >> only >> Part_ID for the key. >> >> Approach-2. Use the SQL Server data to build an array when the inquiry >> system is first initiated then obtain the data from the array. >> >> I would guess that there may be other approaches that would work better. >> >> I appreciate your assistance. >> >> Thanks, >> Brad >> >> >> >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From jwcolby at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 12:37:55 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 13:37:55 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Getting into libraries In-Reply-To: <002a01ce150b$7496da70$5dc48f50$@comcast.net> References: <512D8089.2000900@gmail.com> <002a01ce150b$7496da70$5dc48f50$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <512E5283.6070905@gmail.com> Dan, thanks for all of this. As I mentioned in the blog, the extension is essentially meaningless, just a way for MS to designate what a file is /if/ they created it - they will use their suggested extensions. So you can reference an MDB, MDA or MDE. I have never tried to reference a valid container with an extension other than those (for example .XYZ) but I suspect that it would work. I have used forms in a library but it was problematic getting the data into the form since I always used bound forms. Unbound forms were easier and I did place (for example) my login form. I am aware that you can place anything in there but actually using them requires a certain expertise. In my blog, for the moment, I am focusing on code libraries. I do appreciate the info though and it would be great if you would add a comment to that blog post with this information so that my readers can think about the implications. John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/27/2013 11:56 AM, Dan Waters wrote: > Hi John, > > I've use a library for several years. Each of my systems at my customers > uses it as the 'base' for the app. It has about 80 objects and 25K lines of > code. > > Some thoughts: > > 1) My Library is an mdb. I've never tried to use an mda. I just add the > PSILibrary.mdb file to the references in the Main app file. > > 2) You can any object into a library. Putting commonly used forms and > reports into a library is very efficient for a developer. You do it like > this: > > In the library, put this into a module: > > Public Sub OpenLibraryForm(stgFormName As String, _ > Optional acFormView As Variant = acNormal, _ > Optional varFilterName As Variant = "", _ > Optional varWhereCondition As Variant = "", _ > Optional acFormOpenDataMode As Variant = > acFormPropertySettings, _ > Optional acWindowMode As Variant = > acWindowNormal, _ > Optional varOpenArgs As Variant = "") > > DoCmd.OpenForm stgFormName, acFormView, varFilterName, _ > varWhereCondition, acFormOpenDataMode, acWindowMode, varOpenArgs > > End Sub > > Now from the main app you can call this procedure like: > > Call OpenLibraryForm("frmFormInLibrary") > > And, you can add in any of the form's opening parameters that you like. > > Opening a report works the same way. > > 3) While code is running in the Library, you can call a procedure in the > Main app like this: > > Application.Run("ProcedureName","1stParameter", "2ndParameter") and > so on. > > You need to test this carefully because the procedure name and the parameter > types are not checked while compiling. > > 4) You need to be aware of the difference between CurrentDB and CodeDB. > > For example, if you do this in the Library: > > Set rst = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("qryName", dbopensnapshot) > > And "qryName" exists in the Library but not in the Main app, this will error > out because CurrentDB looks for the query in the Main app, but not in the > Library. If you do this: > > Set rst = CodeDb.OpenRecordset("qryName",dbOpenSnapshot) > > And if "qryName" is in the Library, then this will work. > > Good Luck! > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:42 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Getting into libraries > > I have decided to take a short detour into how to use a library. While it > takes a bit of setting up, it really opens up the horizons. > > jwcolby.blogspot.com > > -- > John W. Colby > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Feb 27 12:40:38 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 10:40:38 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Getting into libraries In-Reply-To: <512D8089.2000900@gmail.com> References: <512D8089.2000900@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2F12994C9E8644359BAA755AED2C4E73@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi John: I have my own way of doing libraries but I look forward to your descriptions...and promise to steal any methods that appear better than my present approach. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 7:42 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Getting into libraries I have decided to take a short detour into how to use a library. While it takes a bit of setting up, it really opens up the horizons. jwcolby.blogspot.com -- John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Feb 27 12:41:46 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 10:41:46 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] MESSAGE ON BEHALF OF FEARLESS BOARD MEMBER COLBY In-Reply-To: References: <512D25D4.3030508@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <1F56C52C6F754B0F848E2C289AC65818@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Arthur: Excellent...and I look forward to helping in anyway I can. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:03 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] MESSAGE ON BEHALF OF FEARLESS BOARD MEMBER COLBY As a senior citizen (officially retired), I have time on my hands, and am willing to volunteer to play some administrative part in our present-and-future directions. Over the years that I have belong to our lists, I have learned a ton and made some friends here, and I value that immensely. If I can help, in any way, I would be happy to do so. More times than I can enumerate, people here have saved my bacon! And I stand ready to pay back and pay forward to my beloved community. A. On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 5:12 PM, jack drawbridge wrote: > Well said Tina, I agree. > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Tina Norris Fields < > tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote: > > > I may be being very sensitive at this moment, dealing daily as I am with > > my father's really bad health. But, I am really uncomfortable with > anybody > > attacking a list member. I am especially uncomfortable when the person > > being attacked is someone I regard as a personal friend. If I fail to > > stand up for him I fail to meet my own moral standards. > > > > So. . . please do not attack my friend John Colby, a man who has given > > many hours of kind willingness to share what he has learned, or invented, > > with all of us. I learn valuable treasure from JC every time he > publishes > > or posts a new lesson. Whenever I have asked him directly for > assistance, > > he has done his best to assist me. What more are we truly to ask of one > > another in this list? We share our knowledge and help each other with > > Access development issues. I am very grateful for this list and for the > > people on it. I really do not want to fight with anyone, and I don't > want > > to witness a fight. I simply cannot honorably stand by and allow one > > colleague to attack another. > > > > Tina > > > > Tina Norris Fields > > tinanfields at torchlake.com > > 231-322-2787 > > > > > > On 2/25/2013 11:51 PM, Kenneth Ismert wrote: > > > >> Ladies and gents: > >> > >> Rarely does a member's reply merit parody, but this one does. Remember > >> kids, everything in " " is an actual Colby quote! > >> > >> ** BEGIN PARODY ** > >> > >> Board member Colby announced his do nothing agenda to his throngs of > >> change > >> deniers, "because I don't care." > >> > >> He continued addressing his adoring crowd on the subject of change: > "But I > >> am not going to do it. And waiting for me to do it is an automatic > death > >> knell." > >> > >> One of his followers fairly swooned, saying you can't get less > leadership > >> from a bump on a log. > >> > >> Colby finished with a rousing summary, indicating his lack of > compunction > >> about his utter apathy: "'I am not Catholic' as I like to tell my wife. > I > >> don't do guilt." > >> > >> ** END PARODY ** > >> > >> Now seriously. I haven't heard a clearer expression of dereliction of > duty > >> from a board officer, ever. Unforced, I must add. By any moral sense, he > >> is > >> unfit for his office. > >> > >> Therefore, I call on you, sir, to resign. > >> > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd< > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com< > http://www.databaseadvisors.com> > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 13:00:58 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 14:00:58 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] MESSAGE ON BEHALF OF FEARLESS BOARD MEMBER COLBY In-Reply-To: <1F56C52C6F754B0F848E2C289AC65818@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <512D25D4.3030508@torchlake.com> <1F56C52C6F754B0F848E2C289AC65818@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Thank you both, Paul and Jim! I have no idea how to proceed, other than tossing my hat in. Should I run for election? F**k, that probably involves writing a campaign speech. "Forward! Bring it Forward. Pay Forward. I have given and received, and stand prepared to pay forward." Speaking of which, I would like to publicly thank Stuart Mac for his invaluable insights into making Access and MySQL play nicely together. And I have only one question at this moment for Stuart. While doing research on my "Advanced Power Searching With Google" on-line course. I happened upon a fact, hitherto unknown to me, in the context of diseases that are located geographically or racially (all along I have thought that sickle-cell anemia was a disease restricted to people of African descent, but I was wrong!). Anyway, back to the point. There is a disease that visits only PNG people, whose cause was only discovered after several decades of research, and said cause turns out to be cannibalism. However, according to my Google research, cannibalism was officially outlawed in PNG in the late sixties, and after that the incidence of this disease plummeted dramatically. And so, I pose a challenge for all you wonderful listers: what is the name of the disease described above? (Thanks to my investment in the hours required to take the "Advanced Power Searching With Google, I found the answer in under a minute.) Game On! A. On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Arthur: > > Excellent...and I look forward to helping in anyway I can. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:03 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] MESSAGE ON BEHALF OF FEARLESS BOARD MEMBER COLBY > > As a senior citizen (officially retired), I have time on my hands, and am > willing to volunteer to play some administrative part in our > present-and-future directions. > > Over the years that I have belong to our lists, I have learned a ton and > made some friends here, and I value that immensely. > > If I can help, in any way, I would be happy to do so. More times than I can > enumerate, people here have saved my bacon! And I stand ready to pay back > and pay forward to my beloved community. > > A. > > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 5:12 PM, jack drawbridge > wrote: > > > Well said Tina, I agree. > > > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Tina Norris Fields < > > tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote: > > > > > I may be being very sensitive at this moment, dealing daily as I am > with > > > my father's really bad health. But, I am really uncomfortable with > > anybody > > > attacking a list member. I am especially uncomfortable when the person > > > being attacked is someone I regard as a personal friend. If I fail to > > > stand up for him I fail to meet my own moral standards. > > > > > > So. . . please do not attack my friend John Colby, a man who has given > > > many hours of kind willingness to share what he has learned, or > invented, > > > with all of us. I learn valuable treasure from JC every time he > > publishes > > > or posts a new lesson. Whenever I have asked him directly for > > assistance, > > > he has done his best to assist me. What more are we truly to ask of > one > > > another in this list? We share our knowledge and help each other with > > > Access development issues. I am very grateful for this list and for > the > > > people on it. I really do not want to fight with anyone, and I don't > > want > > > to witness a fight. I simply cannot honorably stand by and allow one > > > colleague to attack another. > > > > > > Tina > > > > > > Tina Norris Fields > > > tinanfields at torchlake.com > > > 231-322-2787 > > > > > > > > > On 2/25/2013 11:51 PM, Kenneth Ismert wrote: > > > > > >> Ladies and gents: > > >> > > >> Rarely does a member's reply merit parody, but this one does. Remember > > >> kids, everything in " " is an actual Colby quote! > > >> > > >> ** BEGIN PARODY ** > > >> > > >> Board member Colby announced his do nothing agenda to his throngs of > > >> change > > >> deniers, "because I don't care." > > >> > > >> He continued addressing his adoring crowd on the subject of change: > > "But I > > >> am not going to do it. And waiting for me to do it is an automatic > > death > > >> knell." > > >> > > >> One of his followers fairly swooned, saying you can't get less > > leadership > > >> from a bump on a log. > > >> > > >> Colby finished with a rousing summary, indicating his lack of > > compunction > > >> about his utter apathy: "'I am not Catholic' as I like to tell my > wife. > > I > > >> don't do guilt." > > >> > > >> ** END PARODY ** > > >> > > >> Now seriously. I haven't heard a clearer expression of dereliction of > > duty > > >> from a board officer, ever. Unforced, I must add. By any moral sense, > he > > >> is > > >> unfit for his office. > > >> > > >> Therefore, I call on you, sir, to resign. > > >> > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd< > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com< > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com> > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com Wed Feb 27 13:12:02 2013 From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 13:12:02 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] MESSAGE ON BEHALF OF FEARLESS BOARD MEMBER COLBY In-Reply-To: References: <512D25D4.3030508@torchlake.com><1F56C52C6F754B0F848E2C289AC65818@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701F38FB56@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> Arthur, Kuru - "shaking death" - took less than 30 seconds. Rusty -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 1:01 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] MESSAGE ON BEHALF OF FEARLESS BOARD MEMBER COLBY Thank you both, Paul and Jim! I have no idea how to proceed, other than tossing my hat in. Should I run for election? F**k, that probably involves writing a campaign speech. "Forward! Bring it Forward. Pay Forward. I have given and received, and stand prepared to pay forward." Speaking of which, I would like to publicly thank Stuart Mac for his invaluable insights into making Access and MySQL play nicely together. And I have only one question at this moment for Stuart. While doing research on my "Advanced Power Searching With Google" on-line course. I happened upon a fact, hitherto unknown to me, in the context of diseases that are located geographically or racially (all along I have thought that sickle-cell anemia was a disease restricted to people of African descent, but I was wrong!). Anyway, back to the point. There is a disease that visits only PNG people, whose cause was only discovered after several decades of research, and said cause turns out to be cannibalism. However, according to my Google research, cannibalism was officially outlawed in PNG in the late sixties, and after that the incidence of this disease plummeted dramatically. And so, I pose a challenge for all you wonderful listers: what is the name of the disease described above? (Thanks to my investment in the hours required to take the "Advanced Power Searching With Google, I found the answer in under a minute.) Game On! A. On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Arthur: > > Excellent...and I look forward to helping in anyway I can. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:03 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] MESSAGE ON BEHALF OF FEARLESS BOARD MEMBER > COLBY > > As a senior citizen (officially retired), I have time on my hands, and > am willing to volunteer to play some administrative part in our > present-and-future directions. > > Over the years that I have belong to our lists, I have learned a ton > and made some friends here, and I value that immensely. > > If I can help, in any way, I would be happy to do so. More times than > I can enumerate, people here have saved my bacon! And I stand ready to > pay back and pay forward to my beloved community. > > A. > > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 5:12 PM, jack drawbridge > wrote: > > > Well said Tina, I agree. > > > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Tina Norris Fields < > > tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote: > > > > > I may be being very sensitive at this moment, dealing daily as I > > > am > with > > > my father's really bad health. But, I am really uncomfortable with > > anybody > > > attacking a list member. I am especially uncomfortable when the > > > person being attacked is someone I regard as a personal friend. > > > If I fail to stand up for him I fail to meet my own moral standards. > > > > > > So. . . please do not attack my friend John Colby, a man who has > > > given many hours of kind willingness to share what he has learned, > > > or > invented, > > > with all of us. I learn valuable treasure from JC every time he > > publishes > > > or posts a new lesson. Whenever I have asked him directly for > > assistance, > > > he has done his best to assist me. What more are we truly to ask > > > of > one > > > another in this list? We share our knowledge and help each other > > > with Access development issues. I am very grateful for this list > > > and for > the > > > people on it. I really do not want to fight with anyone, and I > > > don't > > want > > > to witness a fight. I simply cannot honorably stand by and allow > > > one colleague to attack another. > > > > > > Tina > > > > > > Tina Norris Fields > > > tinanfields at torchlake.com > > > 231-322-2787 > > > > > > > > > On 2/25/2013 11:51 PM, Kenneth Ismert wrote: > > > > > >> Ladies and gents: > > >> > > >> Rarely does a member's reply merit parody, but this one does. > > >> Remember kids, everything in " " is an actual Colby quote! > > >> > > >> ** BEGIN PARODY ** > > >> > > >> Board member Colby announced his do nothing agenda to his throngs > > >> of change deniers, "because I don't care." > > >> > > >> He continued addressing his adoring crowd on the subject of change: > > "But I > > >> am not going to do it. And waiting for me to do it is an > > >> automatic > > death > > >> knell." > > >> > > >> One of his followers fairly swooned, saying you can't get less > > leadership > > >> from a bump on a log. > > >> > > >> Colby finished with a rousing summary, indicating his lack of > > compunction > > >> about his utter apathy: "'I am not Catholic' as I like to tell my > wife. > > I > > >> don't do guilt." > > >> > > >> ** END PARODY ** > > >> > > >> Now seriously. I haven't heard a clearer expression of > > >> dereliction of > > duty > > >> from a board officer, ever. Unforced, I must add. By any moral > > >> sense, > he > > >> is > > >> unfit for his office. > > >> > > >> Therefore, I call on you, sir, to resign. > > >> > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd< > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com< > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com> > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ********************************************************************** WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. ********************************************************************** From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 13:16:08 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 14:16:08 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] MESSAGE ON BEHALF OF FEARLESS BOARD MEMBER COLBY In-Reply-To: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701F38FB56@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> References: <512D25D4.3030508@torchlake.com> <1F56C52C6F754B0F848E2C289AC65818@creativesystemdesigns.com> <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701F38FB56@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> Message-ID: Good for you, Rusty! A. From vbacreations at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 14:40:25 2013 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:40:25 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] MESSAGE ON BEHALF OF FEARLESS BOARD MEMBER COLBY In-Reply-To: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701F38FB56@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> References: <512D25D4.3030508@torchlake.com><1F56C52C6F754B0F848E2C289AC65818@creativesystemdesigns.com> <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701F38FB56@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET> Message-ID: GERD? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:12 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] MESSAGE ON BEHALF OF FEARLESS BOARD MEMBER COLBY Arthur, Kuru - "shaking death" - took less than 30 seconds. Rusty -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 1:01 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] MESSAGE ON BEHALF OF FEARLESS BOARD MEMBER COLBY Thank you both, Paul and Jim! I have no idea how to proceed, other than tossing my hat in. Should I run for election? F**k, that probably involves writing a campaign speech. "Forward! Bring it Forward. Pay Forward. I have given and received, and stand prepared to pay forward." Speaking of which, I would like to publicly thank Stuart Mac for his invaluable insights into making Access and MySQL play nicely together. And I have only one question at this moment for Stuart. While doing research on my "Advanced Power Searching With Google" on-line course. I happened upon a fact, hitherto unknown to me, in the context of diseases that are located geographically or racially (all along I have thought that sickle-cell anemia was a disease restricted to people of African descent, but I was wrong!). Anyway, back to the point. There is a disease that visits only PNG people, whose cause was only discovered after several decades of research, and said cause turns out to be cannibalism. However, according to my Google research, cannibalism was officially outlawed in PNG in the late sixties, and after that the incidence of this disease plummeted dramatically. And so, I pose a challenge for all you wonderful listers: what is the name of the disease described above? (Thanks to my investment in the hours required to take the "Advanced Power Searching With Google, I found the answer in under a minute.) Game On! A. On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Arthur: > > Excellent...and I look forward to helping in anyway I can. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:03 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] MESSAGE ON BEHALF OF FEARLESS BOARD MEMBER > COLBY > > As a senior citizen (officially retired), I have time on my hands, and > am willing to volunteer to play some administrative part in our > present-and-future directions. > > Over the years that I have belong to our lists, I have learned a ton > and made some friends here, and I value that immensely. > > If I can help, in any way, I would be happy to do so. More times than > I can enumerate, people here have saved my bacon! And I stand ready to > pay back and pay forward to my beloved community. > > A. > > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 5:12 PM, jack drawbridge > wrote: > > > Well said Tina, I agree. > > > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Tina Norris Fields < > > tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote: > > > > > I may be being very sensitive at this moment, dealing daily as I > > > am > with > > > my father's really bad health. But, I am really uncomfortable with > > anybody > > > attacking a list member. I am especially uncomfortable when the > > > person being attacked is someone I regard as a personal friend. > > > If I fail to stand up for him I fail to meet my own moral standards. > > > > > > So. . . please do not attack my friend John Colby, a man who has > > > given many hours of kind willingness to share what he has learned, > > > or > invented, > > > with all of us. I learn valuable treasure from JC every time he > > publishes > > > or posts a new lesson. Whenever I have asked him directly for > > assistance, > > > he has done his best to assist me. What more are we truly to ask > > > of > one > > > another in this list? We share our knowledge and help each other > > > with Access development issues. I am very grateful for this list > > > and for > the > > > people on it. I really do not want to fight with anyone, and I > > > don't > > want > > > to witness a fight. I simply cannot honorably stand by and allow > > > one colleague to attack another. > > > > > > Tina > > > > > > Tina Norris Fields > > > tinanfields at torchlake.com > > > 231-322-2787 > > > > > > > > > On 2/25/2013 11:51 PM, Kenneth Ismert wrote: > > > > > >> Ladies and gents: > > >> > > >> Rarely does a member's reply merit parody, but this one does. > > >> Remember kids, everything in " " is an actual Colby quote! > > >> > > >> ** BEGIN PARODY ** > > >> > > >> Board member Colby announced his do nothing agenda to his throngs > > >> of change deniers, "because I don't care." > > >> > > >> He continued addressing his adoring crowd on the subject of change: > > "But I > > >> am not going to do it. And waiting for me to do it is an > > >> automatic > > death > > >> knell." > > >> > > >> One of his followers fairly swooned, saying you can't get less > > leadership > > >> from a bump on a log. > > >> > > >> Colby finished with a rousing summary, indicating his lack of > > compunction > > >> about his utter apathy: "'I am not Catholic' as I like to tell my > wife. > > I > > >> don't do guilt." > > >> > > >> ** END PARODY ** > > >> > > >> Now seriously. I haven't heard a clearer expression of > > >> dereliction of > > duty > > >> from a board officer, ever. Unforced, I must add. By any moral > > >> sense, > he > > >> is > > >> unfit for his office. > > >> > > >> Therefore, I call on you, sir, to resign. > > >> > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd< > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com< > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com> > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ********************************************************************** WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. ********************************************************************** -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kismert at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 16:15:07 2013 From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 16:15:07 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] He (was) mad at the list! Message-ID: I didn't realize how angry I was for what happened to me at the end of the past 'AccessD relevance' thread. This current thread pressed buttons that haven't been pressed in a long time. Intended or not, right or wrong, my treatment then was certainly unique. But I am through raging now about what happened in the past. Sorry to everyone that got in my cross-hairs. John, in particular, didn't deserve the broadside he got. So, where do we stand? Things aren't fixed. I'm not leaving the group, but will be taking an extended furlough (come to think of it, that's little different from my current participation level). Anybody who wants to talk further can do it off list. -Ken From jwcolby at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 16:56:07 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 17:56:07 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] He (was) mad at the list! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <512E8F07.2000701@gmail.com> And I likewise apologize for my part in the exchange. I do not want any member leaving because of my actions. John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/27/2013 5:15 PM, Kenneth Ismert wrote: > I didn't realize how angry I was for what happened to me at the end of the > past 'AccessD relevance' thread. This current thread pressed buttons that > haven't been pressed in a long time. > > Intended or not, right or wrong, my treatment then was certainly unique. > > But I am through raging now about what happened in the past. > > Sorry to everyone that got in my cross-hairs. John, in particular, didn't > deserve the broadside he got. > > So, where do we stand? Things aren't fixed. I'm not leaving the group, but > will be taking an extended furlough (come to think of it, that's little > different from my current participation level). > > Anybody who wants to talk further can do it off list. > > -Ken From sturner at mseco.com Wed Feb 27 17:17:11 2013 From: sturner at mseco.com (Steve Turner) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 17:17:11 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Read some fields from a record in a table and write the data to another recorded in the table Message-ID: Need some help. I'm not a programmer but get around a little in VBA. I have a linked table in my database Access 2010 linked to a sql Express file called dbo_Employee. There are 50 fields or more in the file. 20 of the fields are charge rates. I want to read one employee EmpNo just for the 20 fields and write the data to another employee in the table. I got this code online and tried to modify it but it won't work. I'd like to do it with code that I can attach to a button. I think I need some input boxes for the EmpNo I want to read and one for the new employee I want to write to but I haven't gotten that far. Here's the code I have so far. EmpNo is a text field also. The BW000 to BW020 are the fields I want to read and write. Oh and I have been following some of the talk here and you guys are great to help out guys like me so keep up the good work. Private Sub btnCmdNewEmp_Click() On Error GoTo Err_btnCmdNewEmp_Click Screen.PreviousControl.SetFocus 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdFind Dim rs As dao.Recordset Dim ValueList() Dim OldEmpId As String Dim NewEmpId As String ' Set rs = [dbo_Employee] CurrentDb.OpenRecordset ("Select * from [dbo_Employee] WHERE [Empno] = " & [OldEmpId]) ValueList(0) = rs("BW000") ValueList(1) = rs("BW001") ValueList(2) = rs("BW002") ValueList(3) = rs("BW003") ValueList(4) = rs("BW004") ValueList(5) = rs("BW005") ValueList(6) = rs("BW006") ValueList(7) = rs("BW007") ValueList(8) = rs("BW008") ValueList(9) = rs("BW009") ValueList(10) = rs("BW0010") ValueList(11) = rs("BW0011") ValueList(12) = rs("BW0012") ValueList(13) = rs("BW0013") ValueList(14) = rs("BW0014") ValueList(15) = rs("BW0015") ValueList(16) = rs("BW0016") ValueList(17) = rs("BW0017") ValueList(18) = rs("BW0018") ValueList(19) = rs("BW0019") ValueList(20) = rs("BW0020") rs.Close CurrentDb.OpenRecordset ("Select * from [dbo_Employee] WHERE [Empno] = " & NewEmpId) rs.Edit rs("BW000") = ValueList(0) rs("BW001") = ValueList(1) rs("BW002") = ValueList(2) rs("BW003") = ValueList(3) rs("BW004") = ValueList(4) rs("BW005") = ValueList(5) rs("BW006") = ValueList(6) rs("BW007") = ValueList(7) rs("BW008") = ValueList(8) rs("BW009") = ValueList(9) rs("BW0010") = ValueList(10) rs("BW0011") = ValueList(11) rs("BW0012") = ValueList(12) rs("BW0013") = ValueList(13) rs("BW0014") = ValueList(14) rs("BW0015") = ValueList(15) rs("BW0016") = ValueList(16) rs("BW0017") = ValueList(17) rs("BW0018") = ValueList(18) rs("BW0019") = ValueList(19) rs("BW0020") = ValueList(20) rs.Update rs.Close Set rs = Nothing Exit_btnCmdNewEmp_Click: Exit Sub Err_btnCmdNewEmp_Click: MsgBox Err.Description Resume Exit_btnCmdNewEmp_Click End Sub Steve A.Turner Controller Mid-South Engineering Co. Inc. P.O. Box 1399 1658 Malvern Ave. Hot Springs, AR 71902 Phone: 501-321-2276 Fax 501-321-4750 Cell 501-282-7751 Email sturner at mseco.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Feb 27 17:27:30 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:27:30 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] He (was) mad at the list! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <839F6AB0D4E640A799E1498E5A0D4227@HAL9007> Things may not be 'fixed', but are they 'broken'? There's stuff every day. The tech and SQL lists are hopping. We have the usual chaos on OT. JC continues to gently offer his equivocal if diffident voice on various topics of which he modestly affects to have some passing knowledge. It's not like we're going out of business. It is what it is. Perhaps General Fuller and the New Regime (that's going to be my band's new name) will bring some changes. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:15 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] He (was) mad at the list! I didn't realize how angry I was for what happened to me at the end of the past 'AccessD relevance' thread. This current thread pressed buttons that haven't been pressed in a long time. Intended or not, right or wrong, my treatment then was certainly unique. But I am through raging now about what happened in the past. Sorry to everyone that got in my cross-hairs. John, in particular, didn't deserve the broadside he got. So, where do we stand? Things aren't fixed. I'm not leaving the group, but will be taking an extended furlough (come to think of it, that's little different from my current participation level). Anybody who wants to talk further can do it off list. -Ken -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Feb 27 17:47:35 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 09:47:35 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Read some fields from a record in a table and write the data to another recorded in the table In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <512E9B17.29016.66BD49B8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I notice you are uupdating 21, not 20 fields. However, one solution: DIm strEmplOld as string Dim strEmplNew as String Dim rs1 As DAO.Recordset Dim rs2 As DAO.Recordset Dim x As Long Dim strFieldName As String Dim strSQ string strSQL = "'" ' Single quote strEmplOld = InputBox("Enter Employee Number to copy FROM") strEmplNew = InputBox("Enter Employee Number to copy TO") Set rs1 = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("select * from dbo_Employees where EmpNo = " & strSQ & strEmplOld & strSQ) Set rs2 = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("select * from dbo_Employees where EmpNo = " & strSQ & strEmplNew & strSQ) rs2.Edit For x = 0 To 20 strFieldName = "BW0" & Format$(x, "00") rs2(strFieldName) = rs1(strFieldName) Next rs2.Update On 27 Feb 2013 at 17:17, Steve Turner wrote: > Need some help. I'm not a programmer but get around a little in VBA. I > have a linked table in my database Access 2010 linked to a sql Express > file called dbo_Employee. There are 50 fields or more in the file. 20 of > the fields are charge rates. I want to read one employee EmpNo just for > the 20 fields and write the data to another employee in the table. I got > this code online and tried to modify it but it won't work. I'd like to > do it with code that I can attach to a button. I think I need some input > boxes for the EmpNo I want to read and one for the new employee I want > to write to but I haven't gotten that far. > > Here's the code I have so far. EmpNo is a text field also. The BW000 to > BW020 are the fields I want to read and write. Oh and I have been > following some of the talk here and you guys are great to help out guys > like me so keep up the good work. > > > > Private Sub btnCmdNewEmp_Click() > > On Error GoTo Err_btnCmdNewEmp_Click > > > > > > Screen.PreviousControl.SetFocus > > 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdFind > > > > Dim rs As dao.Recordset > > Dim ValueList() > > Dim OldEmpId As String > > > > Dim NewEmpId As String > > > > ' Set rs = [dbo_Employee] > > > > CurrentDb.OpenRecordset ("Select * from [dbo_Employee] WHERE [Empno] = " > & [OldEmpId]) > > ValueList(0) = rs("BW000") > > ValueList(1) = rs("BW001") > > ValueList(2) = rs("BW002") > > ValueList(3) = rs("BW003") > > ValueList(4) = rs("BW004") > > ValueList(5) = rs("BW005") > > ValueList(6) = rs("BW006") > > ValueList(7) = rs("BW007") > > ValueList(8) = rs("BW008") > > ValueList(9) = rs("BW009") > > ValueList(10) = rs("BW0010") > > ValueList(11) = rs("BW0011") > > ValueList(12) = rs("BW0012") > > ValueList(13) = rs("BW0013") > > ValueList(14) = rs("BW0014") > > ValueList(15) = rs("BW0015") > > ValueList(16) = rs("BW0016") > > ValueList(17) = rs("BW0017") > > ValueList(18) = rs("BW0018") > > ValueList(19) = rs("BW0019") > > ValueList(20) = rs("BW0020") > > > > > > > > rs.Close > > CurrentDb.OpenRecordset ("Select * from [dbo_Employee] WHERE [Empno] = " > & NewEmpId) > > rs.Edit > > rs("BW000") = ValueList(0) > > rs("BW001") = ValueList(1) > > rs("BW002") = ValueList(2) > > rs("BW003") = ValueList(3) > > rs("BW004") = ValueList(4) > > rs("BW005") = ValueList(5) > > rs("BW006") = ValueList(6) > > rs("BW007") = ValueList(7) > > rs("BW008") = ValueList(8) > > rs("BW009") = ValueList(9) > > rs("BW0010") = ValueList(10) > > rs("BW0011") = ValueList(11) > > rs("BW0012") = ValueList(12) > > rs("BW0013") = ValueList(13) > > rs("BW0014") = ValueList(14) > > rs("BW0015") = ValueList(15) > > rs("BW0016") = ValueList(16) > > rs("BW0017") = ValueList(17) > > rs("BW0018") = ValueList(18) > > rs("BW0019") = ValueList(19) > > rs("BW0020") = ValueList(20) > > > > > > > > rs.Update > > rs.Close > > Set rs = Nothing > > > > Exit_btnCmdNewEmp_Click: > > Exit Sub > > > > Err_btnCmdNewEmp_Click: > > MsgBox Err.Description > > Resume Exit_btnCmdNewEmp_Click > > > > End Sub > > > > Steve A.Turner > > Controller > > Mid-South Engineering Co. Inc. > > P.O. Box 1399 > > 1658 Malvern Ave. > > Hot Springs, AR 71902 > > Phone: 501-321-2276 > > Fax 501-321-4750 > > Cell 501-282-7751 > > Email sturner at mseco.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From guss at beechnutconsulting.com Wed Feb 27 18:03:18 2013 From: guss at beechnutconsulting.com (Guss Ginsburg) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 18:03:18 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Password for Code In-Reply-To: <512CF771.2090105@gmail.com> References: <000001ce1443$442ff100$cc8fd300$@beechnutconsulting.com> <512CF771.2090105@gmail.com> Message-ID: <008d01ce1547$03bccfd0$0b366f70$@beechnutconsulting.com> Thanks. I have found a few programs on the web, one of which (the demo version of Office Password Recovery PRO) actually said it found the password(s). I now need to show them $89 and they will show me the passwords. the other programs said the db was not pw protected (expected if the s/w was looking for database password only). Sincerely yours, ? Guss Ginsburg -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 11:57 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Password for Code Yes, there are password crackers on the internet that will break Access passwords. I don't have a url at my fingertips. John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/26/2013 12:03 PM, Guss Ginsburg wrote: > I have inherited a database from Access 2002 that has the code > protected by a password, which nobody around here seems to know. Is > there a way to find out what the PW is or to remove it so I can get in and modify code, etc? > > > > I tried a couple of programs to crack Access passwords, which both > indicated my db was not pw-protected. But the code is. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Sincerely yours, > > > > Guss Ginsburg > > Beechnut Consulting Services > > Phone: 504-252-9131 > > Cell: 713-553-6298 > > www.beechnutconsulting.com > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marksimms at verizon.net Wed Feb 27 18:43:13 2013 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 19:43:13 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Getting into libraries In-Reply-To: <002a01ce150b$7496da70$5dc48f50$@comcast.net> References: <512D8089.2000900@gmail.com> <002a01ce150b$7496da70$5dc48f50$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <018801ce154c$98de8220$ca9b8660$@net> I can't tell you how this same technique has worked so well with complex Excel VBA. I do keep a static reference, but I must admit, because of MSFT's bugs, it's not easy to change. It's probably the #1 reason why VBA became so bastardized and criticized. It should have been easy to link and re-link common libraries of code, but alas, it is NOT. > > Hi John, > > I've use a library for several years. Each of my systems at my > customers > uses it as the 'base' for the app. It has about 80 objects and 25K > lines of > code. > From jwcolby at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 20:03:35 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 21:03:35 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] He (was) mad at the list! In-Reply-To: <839F6AB0D4E640A799E1498E5A0D4227@HAL9007> References: <839F6AB0D4E640A799E1498E5A0D4227@HAL9007> Message-ID: <512EBAF7.1070804@gmail.com> ROTFLMAO First I am bumptious, then I am equivocal. I don't remember ever being described as diffident. The things one learns about oneself on a list like this! ;) John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/27/2013 6:27 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Things may not be 'fixed', but are they 'broken'? There's stuff every day. > The tech and SQL lists are hopping. We have the usual chaos on OT. > > JC continues to gently offer his equivocal if diffident voice on various > topics of which he modestly affects to have some passing knowledge. > > It's not like we're going out of business. It is what it is. Perhaps > General Fuller and the New Regime (that's going to be my band's new name) > will bring some changes. > > Rocky > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Feb 27 20:20:32 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 18:20:32 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] He (was) mad at the list! In-Reply-To: <512EBAF7.1070804@gmail.com> References: <839F6AB0D4E640A799E1498E5A0D4227@HAL9007> <512EBAF7.1070804@gmail.com> Message-ID: <07E2ADD9463A4AB098D983C40CC76AB7@HAL9007> You can even learn to recognize satire! :) R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 6:04 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] He (was) mad at the list! ROTFLMAO First I am bumptious, then I am equivocal. I don't remember ever being described as diffident. The things one learns about oneself on a list like this! ;) John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/27/2013 6:27 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Things may not be 'fixed', but are they 'broken'? There's stuff every day. > The tech and SQL lists are hopping. We have the usual chaos on OT. > > JC continues to gently offer his equivocal if diffident voice on > various topics of which he modestly affects to have some passing knowledge. > > It's not like we're going out of business. It is what it is. Perhaps > General Fuller and the New Regime (that's going to be my band's new > name) will bring some changes. > > Rocky > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 20:25:11 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 21:25:11 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] He (was) mad at the list! In-Reply-To: <07E2ADD9463A4AB098D983C40CC76AB7@HAL9007> References: <839F6AB0D4E640A799E1498E5A0D4227@HAL9007> <512EBAF7.1070804@gmail.com> <07E2ADD9463A4AB098D983C40CC76AB7@HAL9007> Message-ID: <512EC007.9090905@gmail.com> ;) John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 2/27/2013 9:20 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > You can even learn to recognize satire! :) > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 6:04 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] He (was) mad at the list! > > ROTFLMAO > > First I am bumptious, then I am equivocal. I don't remember ever being > described as diffident. > > The things one learns about oneself on a list like this! > > ;) > > John W. Colby > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 2/27/2013 6:27 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >> Things may not be 'fixed', but are they 'broken'? There's stuff every > day. >> The tech and SQL lists are hopping. We have the usual chaos on OT. >> >> JC continues to gently offer his equivocal if diffident voice on >> various topics of which he modestly affects to have some passing > knowledge. >> It's not like we're going out of business. It is what it is. Perhaps >> General Fuller and the New Regime (that's going to be my band's new >> name) will bring some changes. >> >> Rocky >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 22:36:48 2013 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 23:36:48 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] There is a new post on Libs Message-ID: <512EDEE0.60202@gmail.com> jwcolby.blogspot.com Deeper into Libraries. -- John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Feb 28 03:11:01 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 04:11:01 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this Message-ID: For some reason I ended up joining a list about Excel EXCEL-L at peach.ease.lsoft.com), mistaking it for one our our lists. Wow was I wrong/ These people need more than a lifetime of help. Unfortunately, as I age, I don't have that much time.. . To be fair, it's a user's group not a developer's group, and it does shed some light on the differenence. The scary part is that some of these people fancy themselves as "Quants", short for Quantitative Analysts, which means that they are risking the hard-earned money that others have made and invested in this or that fund. And I am aware of many of their algorithms, having once worked for a Bermudian hedge fund, which at least had the sense to use SQL Server rather then Excel. This seriously frightens me. These Excel listers, save on or two, don't even know that there is a difference between a Range and an Array. The prospect that these people are playing with millions of dollars of money belonging to other people is truly frightening. The up-side is that I have invested zero dollars in the opinions of these fools; the down-side is that many several millions have, and I fear for their prospects. I guess what I am saying is this: if you want to realize what a valuable group this one is, just go visit that one for a minute or two. To think that these people are waging millions of other people's dollars on their "feelings" is ghastly. Hold onto your wallet; trust no one, especially if they come bearing a spreadsheet.Yes, there are tools available to audit spreadsheets, and I trust them. But in their absence. do not trust anyone. These people are jokers, fools or scammers. Take your pick. I do not fancy myself as an Excel guru. But once I learned the model, I had no problem doing some fancy footwork in Excel. Bur rhis goes to way that there is a difference between a programmer and a user. The frightening part is that users equipped with Excel are making decisions involving millions of other people's dollars. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From paul.hartland at googlemail.com Thu Feb 28 03:22:09 2013 From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 09:22:09 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Read some fields from a record in a table and write the data to another recorded in the table In-Reply-To: <512E9B17.29016.66BD49B8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <512E9B17.29016.66BD49B8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: im getting too slow at typing, was just sending a very similar solution. On 27 February 2013 23:47, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > I notice you are uupdating 21, not 20 fields. However, one solution: > > DIm strEmplOld as string > Dim strEmplNew as String > Dim rs1 As DAO.Recordset > Dim rs2 As DAO.Recordset > Dim x As Long > Dim strFieldName As String > Dim strSQ string > strSQL = "'" ' Single quote > > strEmplOld = InputBox("Enter Employee Number to copy FROM") > strEmplNew = InputBox("Enter Employee Number to copy TO") > > Set rs1 = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("select * from dbo_Employees where EmpNo > = " & > strSQ & strEmplOld & strSQ) > > Set rs2 = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("select * from dbo_Employees where EmpNo > = " & > strSQ & strEmplNew & strSQ) > > rs2.Edit > For x = 0 To 20 > strFieldName = "BW0" & Format$(x, "00") > rs2(strFieldName) = rs1(strFieldName) > Next > rs2.Update > > > > On 27 Feb 2013 at 17:17, Steve Turner wrote: > > > Need some help. I'm not a programmer but get around a little in VBA. I > > have a linked table in my database Access 2010 linked to a sql Express > > file called dbo_Employee. There are 50 fields or more in the file. 20 of > > the fields are charge rates. I want to read one employee EmpNo just for > > the 20 fields and write the data to another employee in the table. I got > > this code online and tried to modify it but it won't work. I'd like to > > do it with code that I can attach to a button. I think I need some input > > boxes for the EmpNo I want to read and one for the new employee I want > > to write to but I haven't gotten that far. > > > > Here's the code I have so far. EmpNo is a text field also. The BW000 to > > BW020 are the fields I want to read and write. Oh and I have been > > following some of the talk here and you guys are great to help out guys > > like me so keep up the good work. > > > > > > > > Private Sub btnCmdNewEmp_Click() > > > > On Error GoTo Err_btnCmdNewEmp_Click > > > > > > > > > > > > Screen.PreviousControl.SetFocus > > > > 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdFind > > > > > > > > Dim rs As dao.Recordset > > > > Dim ValueList() > > > > Dim OldEmpId As String > > > > > > > > Dim NewEmpId As String > > > > > > > > ' Set rs = [dbo_Employee] > > > > > > > > CurrentDb.OpenRecordset ("Select * from [dbo_Employee] WHERE [Empno] = " > > & [OldEmpId]) > > > > ValueList(0) = rs("BW000") > > > > ValueList(1) = rs("BW001") > > > > ValueList(2) = rs("BW002") > > > > ValueList(3) = rs("BW003") > > > > ValueList(4) = rs("BW004") > > > > ValueList(5) = rs("BW005") > > > > ValueList(6) = rs("BW006") > > > > ValueList(7) = rs("BW007") > > > > ValueList(8) = rs("BW008") > > > > ValueList(9) = rs("BW009") > > > > ValueList(10) = rs("BW0010") > > > > ValueList(11) = rs("BW0011") > > > > ValueList(12) = rs("BW0012") > > > > ValueList(13) = rs("BW0013") > > > > ValueList(14) = rs("BW0014") > > > > ValueList(15) = rs("BW0015") > > > > ValueList(16) = rs("BW0016") > > > > ValueList(17) = rs("BW0017") > > > > ValueList(18) = rs("BW0018") > > > > ValueList(19) = rs("BW0019") > > > > ValueList(20) = rs("BW0020") > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rs.Close > > > > CurrentDb.OpenRecordset ("Select * from [dbo_Employee] WHERE [Empno] = " > > & NewEmpId) > > > > rs.Edit > > > > rs("BW000") = ValueList(0) > > > > rs("BW001") = ValueList(1) > > > > rs("BW002") = ValueList(2) > > > > rs("BW003") = ValueList(3) > > > > rs("BW004") = ValueList(4) > > > > rs("BW005") = ValueList(5) > > > > rs("BW006") = ValueList(6) > > > > rs("BW007") = ValueList(7) > > > > rs("BW008") = ValueList(8) > > > > rs("BW009") = ValueList(9) > > > > rs("BW0010") = ValueList(10) > > > > rs("BW0011") = ValueList(11) > > > > rs("BW0012") = ValueList(12) > > > > rs("BW0013") = ValueList(13) > > > > rs("BW0014") = ValueList(14) > > > > rs("BW0015") = ValueList(15) > > > > rs("BW0016") = ValueList(16) > > > > rs("BW0017") = ValueList(17) > > > > rs("BW0018") = ValueList(18) > > > > rs("BW0019") = ValueList(19) > > > > rs("BW0020") = ValueList(20) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rs.Update > > > > rs.Close > > > > Set rs = Nothing > > > > > > > > Exit_btnCmdNewEmp_Click: > > > > Exit Sub > > > > > > > > Err_btnCmdNewEmp_Click: > > > > MsgBox Err.Description > > > > Resume Exit_btnCmdNewEmp_Click > > > > > > > > End Sub > > > > > > > > Steve A.Turner > > > > Controller > > > > Mid-South Engineering Co. Inc. > > > > P.O. Box 1399 > > > > 1658 Malvern Ave. > > > > Hot Springs, AR 71902 > > > > Phone: 501-321-2276 > > > > Fax 501-321-4750 > > > > Cell 501-282-7751 > > > > Email sturner at mseco.com > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Thu Feb 28 04:04:25 2013 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 05:04:25 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Art, you take one thread (or a couple) and then kick an entire Listserv to the curb? You ought to be ashamed ;-) Plus you just insulted both me and Darryl... Meanie. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:11 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this For some reason I ended up joining a list about Excel EXCEL-L at peach.ease.lsoft.com), mistaking it for one our our lists. Wow was I wrong/ These people need more than a lifetime of help. Unfortunately, as I age, I don't have that much time.. . To be fair, it's a user's group not a developer's group, and it does shed some light on the differenence. The scary part is that some of these people fancy themselves as "Quants", short for Quantitative Analysts, which means that they are risking the hard-earned money that others have made and invested in this or that fund. And I am aware of many of their algorithms, having once worked for a Bermudian hedge fund, which at least had the sense to use SQL Server rather then Excel. This seriously frightens me. These Excel listers, save on or two, don't even know that there is a difference between a Range and an Array. The prospect that these people are playing with millions of dollars of money belonging to other people is truly frightening. The up-side is that I have invested zero dollars in the opinions of these fools; the down-side is that many several millions have, and I fear for their prospects. I guess what I am saying is this: if you want to realize what a valuable group this one is, just go visit that one for a minute or two. To think that these people are waging millions of other people's dollars on their "feelings" is ghastly. Hold onto your wallet; trust no one, especially if they come bearing a spreadsheet.Yes, there are tools available to audit spreadsheets, and I trust them. But in their absence. do not trust anyone. These people are jokers, fools or scammers. Take your pick. I do not fancy myself as an Excel guru. But once I learned the model, I had no problem doing some fancy footwork in Excel. Bur rhis goes to way that there is a difference between a programmer and a user. The frightening part is that users equipped with Excel are making decisions involving millions of other people's dollars. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From vbacreations at gmail.com Thu Feb 28 04:10:32 2013 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com)) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 05:10:32 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this References: Message-ID: PS - you might as well get your facts right, the "L" group for Excel is developers (ie, programmers), the "G" group is general Excel questions. PPS - Excel is a LOT more fun to mess around with the object model than Access PPPS - Most of the stuff you produce in Access or Oracle or SQL Server or wherever will ultimately be analyzed in Excel. -----Original Message----- From: William Benson (VBACreations.Com) [mailto:vbacreations at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 5:04 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: RE: [AccessD] I was not going to post this Art, you take one thread (or a couple) and then kick an entire Listserv to the curb? You ought to be ashamed ;-) Plus you just insulted both me and Darryl... Meanie. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:11 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this For some reason I ended up joining a list about Excel EXCEL-L at peach.ease.lsoft.com), mistaking it for one our our lists. Wow was I wrong/ These people need more than a lifetime of help. Unfortunately, as I age, I don't have that much time.. . To be fair, it's a user's group not a developer's group, and it does shed some light on the differenence. The scary part is that some of these people fancy themselves as "Quants", short for Quantitative Analysts, which means that they are risking the hard-earned money that others have made and invested in this or that fund. And I am aware of many of their algorithms, having once worked for a Bermudian hedge fund, which at least had the sense to use SQL Server rather then Excel. This seriously frightens me. These Excel listers, save on or two, don't even know that there is a difference between a Range and an Array. The prospect that these people are playing with millions of dollars of money belonging to other people is truly frightening. The up-side is that I have invested zero dollars in the opinions of these fools; the down-side is that many several millions have, and I fear for their prospects. I guess what I am saying is this: if you want to realize what a valuable group this one is, just go visit that one for a minute or two. To think that these people are waging millions of other people's dollars on their "feelings" is ghastly. Hold onto your wallet; trust no one, especially if they come bearing a spreadsheet.Yes, there are tools available to audit spreadsheets, and I trust them. But in their absence. do not trust anyone. These people are jokers, fools or scammers. Take your pick. I do not fancy myself as an Excel guru. But once I learned the model, I had no problem doing some fancy footwork in Excel. Bur rhis goes to way that there is a difference between a programmer and a user. The frightening part is that users equipped with Excel are making decisions involving millions of other people's dollars. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Feb 28 05:14:02 2013 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 11:14:02 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this References: Message-ID: <8D48FFB8309B4DB98DCC15BECB713537@jamesc319792ae> Arthur, Thank you for an object lesson in making it to the Bozo list. Maybe as you know so much, you could have posted some useful answers to the requests for help, and advice, or even one of the 'discussion' threads - maybe even the one discussing the various uses of RANGE and array and the Variant type. I am under the impression that the Excel-L group does it's best to assist those venturing into the (whatever your assessment) world of VBA and the more difficult use of Functions in Excel. And as someone using Excel, and supporting those using it, I have no problem stating that many of the problems I (and the group) address are those associated with a lack of understanding of the linmitations associated with computing imposed by those not interested in learning on those trying to learn (without proper training) to use the Excel they have been told is to be used. JimB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 9:11 AM Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this > For some reason I ended up joining a list about Excel > EXCEL-L at peach.ease.lsoft.com), mistaking it for one our our lists. Wow > was > I wrong/ These people need more than a lifetime of help. Unfortunately, as > I age, I don't have that much time.. . > > To be fair, it's a user's group not a developer's group, and it does shed > some light on the differenence. > > The scary part is that some of these people fancy themselves as "Quants", > short for Quantitative Analysts, which means that they are risking the > hard-earned money that others have made and invested in this or that fund. > And I am aware of many of their algorithms, having once worked for a > Bermudian hedge fund, which at least had the sense to use SQL Server > rather > then Excel. > > This seriously frightens me. These Excel listers, save on or two, don't > even know that there is a difference between a Range and an Array. > > The prospect that these people are playing with millions of dollars of > money belonging to other people is truly frightening. The up-side is that > I > have invested zero dollars in the opinions of these fools; the down-side > is > that many several millions have, and I fear for their prospects. > > I guess what I am saying is this: if you want to realize what a valuable > group this one is, just go visit that one for a minute or two. To think > that these people are waging millions of other people's dollars on their > "feelings" is ghastly. > > Hold onto your wallet; trust no one, especially if they come bearing a > spreadsheet.Yes, there are tools available to audit spreadsheets, and I > trust them. But in their absence. do not trust anyone. These people are > jokers, fools or scammers. Take your pick. > > I do not fancy myself as an Excel guru. But once I learned the model, I > had > no problem doing some fancy footwork in Excel. Bur rhis goes to way that > there is a difference between a programmer and a user. The frightening > part > is that users equipped with Excel are making decisions involving millions > of other people's dollars. > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Feb 28 08:00:07 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 09:00:07 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] He (was) mad at the list! In-Reply-To: <512EC007.9090905@gmail.com> References: <839F6AB0D4E640A799E1498E5A0D4227@HAL9007> <512EBAF7.1070804@gmail.com> <07E2ADD9463A4AB098D983C40CC76AB7@HAL9007> <512EC007.9090905@gmail.com> Message-ID: I have been called many things in my time, but "General" is a first! Seriously, I would not recommend that you stake the fate of your nation upon my military prowess. LOL. That would be just plain stoopid. Arthur, the Modern Major General If you want to sing along, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major-General's_Song for the lyrics. On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:25 PM, John W Colby wrote: > ;) > > John W. Colby > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 2/27/2013 9:20 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > >> You can even learn to recognize satire! :) >> >> R >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com] >> On Behalf Of John W Colby >> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 6:04 PM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] He (was) mad at the list! >> >> ROTFLMAO >> >> First I am bumptious, then I am equivocal. I don't remember ever being >> described as diffident. >> >> The things one learns about oneself on a list like this! >> >> ;) >> >> John W. Colby >> >> Reality is what refuses to go away >> when you do not believe in it >> >> On 2/27/2013 6:27 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >> >>> Things may not be 'fixed', but are they 'broken'? There's stuff every >>> >> day. >> >>> The tech and SQL lists are hopping. We have the usual chaos on OT. >>> >>> JC continues to gently offer his equivocal if diffident voice on >>> various topics of which he modestly affects to have some passing >>> >> knowledge. >> >>> It's not like we're going out of business. It is what it is. Perhaps >>> General Fuller and the New Regime (that's going to be my band's new >>> name) will bring some changes. >>> >>> Rocky >>> >>> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From BradM at blackforestltd.com Thu Feb 28 08:02:53 2013 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 08:02:53 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Inquiry System Built With Access 2007 Performance Concern Partial Key References: <201302222259.r1MMxnsG001576@databaseadvisors.com><33734CB7D9204CC48E2896669004A914@XPS><512D2A53.4090109@torchlake.com> Message-ID: Arthur, Here is the situation. We have a purchased package that uses SQL Server. We cannot make any changes to the SQL Server database other than the normal updates that are done through the Purchased Package screens. We have used Access 2007 to build an Inquiry and Reporting system that has worked very nicely for over a year. Now there is a need to obtain additional data. The data that we need to obtain is contained in a table that we have not worked with before. This table has a two part key "Part ID" and "Routing Sequence Number". I was trying to enhance an existing query to now obtain data from this new table. The catch is that the existing query only has Part ID available and not the routing sequence number. In initial tests, the query seemed very slow. My theory was that a "table sweep" was being done on the new table because both parts of the key were not available. Let's say that there are 1,000 rows in the new table and the query is bringing back data from 10,000 rows for the older tables. It appeared that a sweep of 1,000 rows was being done for each of the 10,000 rows in the old tables. This seems really slow. Other higher priority issues have surfaced in a completely different realm, so this issue has been put on hold for the time being. Thanks, Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 12:18 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Inquiry System Built With Access 2007 Performance Concern Partial Key Tina, You and I seem both to be missing something here. I'm relieved to know that I am not alone in this. Unless Brad has mis-stated the problem, I don't get it. The home-built Inquiry System ought to be able to do just about anything with the linked-source-data; and if massages are required on said source-data, that's what ETL is for. (Install a free copy of SQL Server Express, design some ETL, and you're done.) Brad, I fail to see the problem here. Please expound. Thanks, On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Tina Norris Fields < tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote: > Okay, I'm probably missing something here. Can you write new queries? If > you can, couldn't you make a select query qselA that pulls all the fields > of that table, then use qselA as the source for qselB that uses the pair of > fields as a compound PK? Sorry if I'm being dense. > T > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields at torchlake.com > 231-322-2787 > > > On 2/24/2013 11:30 AM, Brad Marks wrote: > >> Jim, >> >> Thanks for your assistance. >> >> >> While you cannot change anything existing, can you add a view to the SQL >>>> database? >>>> >>> We are not able to add views to the SQL-Server database. We cannot make >> any updates to anything, except to update data via the purchased package >> front-end screens. >> >> >> >> Not sure I understand this part. When you link the table, do you see the >>>> index with both fields and is that set as the PK field or no? >>>> >>> It appears that the table has a compound key (Part-ID and >> Routing-Sequence-Number). >> The Access-based Inquiry system that we have built has the Part-ID, but >> not the Routing Sequence-Number available. When I tried to join this table >> in one of the existing queries, the data was returned, but it took a long >> time. I have tried several variations of the query and ran quite a few >> tests. Due to the slowness, I have started to consider alternative >> approaches. I don't have a lot of experience with obtaining data from a >> table with only a partial key. I would guess that a sweep of the entire >> table is being performed, therefore the slowness. >> >> Brad >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.comon behalf of Jim Dettman >> Sent: Sun 2/24/2013 10:03 AM >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Inquiry System Built With Access 2007 ?Performance >> Concern - Partial Key >> Brad, >> >> <> indexes, >> etc. in any of the tables in the purchased system. We can only read the >> data. >> >> >> While you cannot change anything existing, can you add a view to the SQL >> database? >> >> <> available. Only the Part_ID is available, not the >> Routing_Sequence_Number. >> (Not all Parts have routings, all we need to discern is whether a part >> has a >> routing or not) >> >> >> Not sure I understand this part. When you link the table, do you see >> the >> index with both fields and is that set as the PK field or no? >> >> Jim. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com] >> On Behalf Of Brad Marks >> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 06:20 PM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: [AccessD] Inquiry System Built With Access 2007 ? Performance >> Concern - Partial Key >> >> All, >> >> We have an Inquiry System that obtains data from a purchased package's SQL >> Server database via ODBC. >> >> The Inquiry System works nicely and response time is quite fast for all >> screens. >> >> We are not able to change any of the tables, keys, relationships, indexes, >> etc. in any of the tables in the purchased system. We can only read the >> data. >> Recently, a request has been made where we will need to pull data that >> will >> come from a table that has not been used by the Inquiry System before. >> >> Here is the catch. The new table that we now want to pull data from has a >> two-part key (Part_ID, and Routing_Sequence_Number). >> >> Currently the Inquiry System does not have the second part of the key >> available. Only the Part_ID is available, not the >> Routing_Sequence_Number. >> (Not all Parts have routings, all we need to discern is whether a part >> has a >> routing or not) >> >> When we try to obtain data from this table with only the Part_ID, the data >> is returned, but response time is slow. This table has about 2,000 rows. >> >> I am considering two approaches and decided to see if anyone else has run >> into something similar and has advice. >> >> Approach-1. Build an Access table from the SQL Server table, that has >> only >> Part_ID for the key. >> >> Approach-2. Use the SQL Server data to build an array when the inquiry >> system is first initiated then obtain the data from the array. >> >> I would guess that there may be other approaches that would work better. >> >> I appreciate your assistance. >> >> Thanks, >> Brad >> >> >> >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From guss at beechnutconsulting.com Thu Feb 28 08:08:40 2013 From: guss at beechnutconsulting.com (Guss Ginsburg) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 08:08:40 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Password for Code In-Reply-To: References: <000001ce1443$442ff100$cc8fd300$@beechnutconsulting.com> Message-ID: <001901ce15bd$1cb6b020$56241060$@beechnutconsulting.com> We were able to track down the correct password, and am now able to modify the code. Going through an upgrade from the 2002 version of office to 2010, we had to deal with a missing reference, which we could not fix without the password. The file is an mdb file. I can look at any object including forms in design view with no problems, except that if I want to explore form-based code, it required the password. The code is protected via VBA editor --> Tools --> properties... click on the protection tab, lock project for viewing, then enter and confirm the password. Thanks for all the comments. Sincerely yours, ? Guss Ginsburg -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 11:55 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Password for Code It sounds like you have an mde. In that case, you aren't dealing with a password but with compiled, which can't be changed anyhow. Could that be the case ? Charlotte On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Guss Ginsburg wrote: > I have inherited a database from Access 2002 that has the code > protected by a password, which nobody around here seems to know. Is > there a way to find out what the PW is or to remove it so I can get in and modify code, etc? > > > > I tried a couple of programs to crack Access passwords, which both > indicated my db was not pw-protected. But the code is. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Sincerely yours, > > > > Guss Ginsburg > > Beechnut Consulting Services > > Phone: 504-252-9131 > > Cell: 713-553-6298 > > www.beechnutconsulting.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jackandpat.d at gmail.com Thu Feb 28 08:13:03 2013 From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 09:13:03 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Password for Code In-Reply-To: <001901ce15bd$1cb6b020$56241060$@beechnutconsulting.com> References: <000001ce1443$442ff100$cc8fd300$@beechnutconsulting.com> <001901ce15bd$1cb6b020$56241060$@beechnutconsulting.com> Message-ID: So you have solved your problem for $89 and learned a lot in the process? On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Guss Ginsburg wrote: > We were able to track down the correct password, and am now able to modify > the code. Going through an upgrade from the 2002 version of office to > 2010, > we had to deal with a missing reference, which we could not fix without > the > password. The file is an mdb file. I can look at any object including > forms in design view with no problems, except that if I want to explore > form-based code, it required the password. > > The code is protected via VBA editor --> Tools --> properties... > click on the protection tab, lock project for viewing, then enter and > confirm the password. > > Thanks for all the comments. > > Sincerely yours, > > Guss Ginsburg > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 11:55 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Password for Code > > It sounds like you have an mde. In that case, you aren't dealing with > a > password but with compiled, which can't be changed anyhow. Could that be > the case ? > > Charlotte > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Guss Ginsburg > wrote: > > > I have inherited a database from Access 2002 that has the code > > protected by a password, which nobody around here seems to know. Is > > there a way to find out what the PW is or to remove it so I can get in > and > modify code, etc? > > > > > > > > I tried a couple of programs to crack Access passwords, which both > > indicated my db was not pw-protected. But the code is. > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > Sincerely yours, > > > > > > > > Guss Ginsburg > > > > Beechnut Consulting Services > > > > Phone: 504-252-9131 > > > > Cell: 713-553-6298 > > > > www.beechnutconsulting.com > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com Thu Feb 28 09:05:42 2013 From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 15:05:42 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] ODB connection Message-ID: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB071D3C2F@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com> I have set up some ODBC connections through the control panel using Windows 7. When I look for these connections in Access 2007 (external data ODBC) I don't see them. Do I have to set them up in access also? From RRANTHON at sentara.com Thu Feb 28 09:11:03 2013 From: RRANTHON at sentara.com (RANDALL R ANTHONY) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 15:11:03 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] ODB connection In-Reply-To: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB071D3C2F@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com> References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB071D3C2F@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com> Message-ID: <201302281511.r1SFBAmK020255@databaseadvisors.com> Yes, after you select data source and location, you should get Select Data Source form, select machine data source, you'll probably have to select New... HTH. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 10:06 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] ODB connection I have set up some ODBC connections through the control panel using Windows 7. When I look for these connections in Access 2007 (external data ODBC) I don't see them. Do I have to set them up in access also? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -------------Disclaimer--------------- This electronic message and its contents and attachments contain information from Sentara Healthcare and is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. The information is intended to be for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, copy, distribution or use of the contents of this message is prohibited. If you have received this electronic message in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message and all copies. From jimdettman at verizon.net Thu Feb 28 09:19:32 2013 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 10:19:32 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] ODB connection In-Reply-To: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB071D3C2F@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com> References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB071D3C2F@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com> Message-ID: <1CF7889C30E042E3A879A3E1F8F14B66@XPS> If your on a 64 bit OS, you need to use the ODBC applet in the sysWOW folder. The one in: C:\Windows\System32\ODBCad32.EXE is a 64 bit version and any DSN there won't be seen by 32 bit apps (which 2007 is). This is the one the gets launched from control panel. The one you need to use is: C:\Windows\syswow64\ODBCad32.EXE, which is the 32 bit version. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 10:06 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] ODB connection I have set up some ODBC connections through the control panel using Windows 7. When I look for these connections in Access 2007 (external data ODBC) I don't see them. Do I have to set them up in access also? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbdoug at gmail.com Thu Feb 28 09:26:04 2013 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 07:26:04 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] ODB connection In-Reply-To: <1CF7889C30E042E3A879A3E1F8F14B66@XPS> References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB071D3C2F@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com> <1CF7889C30E042E3A879A3E1F8F14B66@XPS> Message-ID: As an alternative, you could use a DSN-less connection with code: http://www.accessmvp.com/DJSteele/DSNLessLinks.html (That's a different Doug Steele, not me!) Doug On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 7:19 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: > > If your on a 64 bit OS, you need to use the ODBC applet in the sysWOW > folder. > > The one in: > > C:\Windows\System32\ODBCad32.EXE is a 64 bit version and any DSN there > won't be seen by 32 bit apps (which 2007 is). > > This is the one the gets launched from control panel. > > The one you need to use is: > > C:\Windows\syswow64\ODBCad32.EXE, which is the 32 bit version. > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 10:06 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] ODB connection > > I have set up some ODBC connections through the control panel using Windows > 7. When I look for these connections in Access 2007 (external data ODBC) I > don't see them. Do I have to set them up in access also? > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From BradM at blackforestltd.com Thu Feb 28 09:23:45 2013 From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 09:23:45 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] ODB connection References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB071D3C2F@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com> <1CF7889C30E042E3A879A3E1F8F14B66@XPS> Message-ID: Jim, Thanks for posting this info. I ran into the same issue when our first "Windows 64 bit" PC came in the door last fall. It took several hours of digging/experimenting/hair pulling before we found the info that we needed. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 9:20 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] ODB connection If your on a 64 bit OS, you need to use the ODBC applet in the sysWOW folder. The one in: C:\Windows\System32\ODBCad32.EXE is a 64 bit version and any DSN there won't be seen by 32 bit apps (which 2007 is). This is the one the gets launched from control panel. The one you need to use is: C:\Windows\syswow64\ODBCad32.EXE, which is the 32 bit version. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 10:06 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] ODB connection I have set up some ODBC connections through the control panel using Windows 7. When I look for these connections in Access 2007 (external data ODBC) I don't see them. Do I have to set them up in access also? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From sturner at mseco.com Thu Feb 28 09:29:39 2013 From: sturner at mseco.com (Steve Turner) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 09:29:39 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Read some fields from a record in a table and writethe data to another recorded in the table In-Reply-To: <512E9B17.29016.66BD49B8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <512E9B17.29016.66BD49B8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Thanks Stuart, With some slight modifications to the code It works great. Had some errors pop up but help got me thru. Here's what I came up with. My other question would be should I set the rs1 and 2 to Nothing as the other code I had did? Its commented out here. Also should I close the rs1 after the close on rs2? Help is much appreciated. Private Sub btnCmdNewEmp_Click() On Error GoTo Err_btnCmdNewEmp_Click Screen.PreviousControl.SetFocus Dim strEmplOld As String Dim strEmplNew As String Dim rs1 As DAO.Recordset Dim rs2 As DAO.Recordset Dim x As Long Dim strFieldName As String Dim strSQL As String strSQL = "'" ' Single quote strEmplOld = InputBox("Enter Employee Number to copy FROM") strEmplNew = InputBox("Enter Employee Number to copy TO") Set rs1 = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("select * from dbo_Employee where empno = " & strSQL & strEmplOld & strSQL) Set rs2 = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("select * from dbo_Employee where empno = " & strSQL & strEmplNew & strSQL) rs2.Edit For x = 0 To 20 strFieldName = "BW0" & Format$(x, "00") rs2(strFieldName) = rs1(strFieldName) rs2.Update rs2.Edit Next rs2.Close 'Set rs = Nothing Exit_btnCmdNewEmp_Click: Exit Sub Err_btnCmdNewEmp_Click: MsgBox Err.Description Resume Exit_btnCmdNewEmp_Click End Sub -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 5:48 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Read some fields from a record in a table and writethe data to another recorded in the table I notice you are uupdating 21, not 20 fields. However, one solution: DIm strEmplOld as string Dim strEmplNew as String Dim rs1 As DAO.Recordset Dim rs2 As DAO.Recordset Dim x As Long Dim strFieldName As String Dim strSQ string strSQL = "'" ' Single quote strEmplOld = InputBox("Enter Employee Number to copy FROM") strEmplNew = InputBox("Enter Employee Number to copy TO") Set rs1 = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("select * from dbo_Employees where EmpNo = " & strSQ & strEmplOld & strSQ) Set rs2 = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("select * from dbo_Employees where EmpNo = " & strSQ & strEmplNew & strSQ) rs2.Edit For x = 0 To 20 strFieldName = "BW0" & Format$(x, "00") rs2(strFieldName) = rs1(strFieldName) Next rs2.Update On 27 Feb 2013 at 17:17, Steve Turner wrote: > Need some help. I'm not a programmer but get around a little in VBA. I > have a linked table in my database Access 2010 linked to a sql Express > file called dbo_Employee. There are 50 fields or more in the file. 20 > of the fields are charge rates. I want to read one employee EmpNo > just for the 20 fields and write the data to another employee in the > table. I got this code online and tried to modify it but it won't > work. I'd like to do it with code that I can attach to a button. I > think I need some input boxes for the EmpNo I want to read and one for > the new employee I want to write to but I haven't gotten that far. > > Here's the code I have so far. EmpNo is a text field also. The BW000 > to > BW020 are the fields I want to read and write. Oh and I have been > following some of the talk here and you guys are great to help out > guys like me so keep up the good work. > > > > Private Sub btnCmdNewEmp_Click() > > On Error GoTo Err_btnCmdNewEmp_Click > > > > > > Screen.PreviousControl.SetFocus > > 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdFind > > > > Dim rs As dao.Recordset > > Dim ValueList() > > Dim OldEmpId As String > > > > Dim NewEmpId As String > > > > ' Set rs = [dbo_Employee] > > > > CurrentDb.OpenRecordset ("Select * from [dbo_Employee] WHERE [Empno] = " > & [OldEmpId]) > > ValueList(0) = rs("BW000") > > ValueList(1) = rs("BW001") > > ValueList(2) = rs("BW002") > > ValueList(3) = rs("BW003") > > ValueList(4) = rs("BW004") > > ValueList(5) = rs("BW005") > > ValueList(6) = rs("BW006") > > ValueList(7) = rs("BW007") > > ValueList(8) = rs("BW008") > > ValueList(9) = rs("BW009") > > ValueList(10) = rs("BW0010") > > ValueList(11) = rs("BW0011") > > ValueList(12) = rs("BW0012") > > ValueList(13) = rs("BW0013") > > ValueList(14) = rs("BW0014") > > ValueList(15) = rs("BW0015") > > ValueList(16) = rs("BW0016") > > ValueList(17) = rs("BW0017") > > ValueList(18) = rs("BW0018") > > ValueList(19) = rs("BW0019") > > ValueList(20) = rs("BW0020") > > > > > > > > rs.Close > > CurrentDb.OpenRecordset ("Select * from [dbo_Employee] WHERE [Empno] = " > & NewEmpId) > > rs.Edit > > rs("BW000") = ValueList(0) > > rs("BW001") = ValueList(1) > > rs("BW002") = ValueList(2) > > rs("BW003") = ValueList(3) > > rs("BW004") = ValueList(4) > > rs("BW005") = ValueList(5) > > rs("BW006") = ValueList(6) > > rs("BW007") = ValueList(7) > > rs("BW008") = ValueList(8) > > rs("BW009") = ValueList(9) > > rs("BW0010") = ValueList(10) > > rs("BW0011") = ValueList(11) > > rs("BW0012") = ValueList(12) > > rs("BW0013") = ValueList(13) > > rs("BW0014") = ValueList(14) > > rs("BW0015") = ValueList(15) > > rs("BW0016") = ValueList(16) > > rs("BW0017") = ValueList(17) > > rs("BW0018") = ValueList(18) > > rs("BW0019") = ValueList(19) > > rs("BW0020") = ValueList(20) > > > > > > > > rs.Update > > rs.Close > > Set rs = Nothing > > > > Exit_btnCmdNewEmp_Click: > > Exit Sub > > > > Err_btnCmdNewEmp_Click: > > MsgBox Err.Description > > Resume Exit_btnCmdNewEmp_Click > > > > End Sub > > > > Steve A.Turner > > Controller > > Mid-South Engineering Co. 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Box 1399 > > 1658 Malvern Ave. > > Hot Springs, AR 71902 > > Phone: 501-321-2276 > > Fax 501-321-4750 > > Cell 501-282-7751 > > Email sturner at mseco.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com Thu Feb 28 09:44:21 2013 From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 15:44:21 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] ODB connection In-Reply-To: References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB071D3C2F@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com> <1CF7889C30E042E3A879A3E1F8F14B66@XPS> Message-ID: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB071D3C9B@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com> Thanks everone. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 9:26 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] ODB connection As an alternative, you could use a DSN-less connection with code: http://www.accessmvp.com/DJSteele/DSNLessLinks.html (That's a different Doug Steele, not me!) Doug On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 7:19 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: > > If your on a 64 bit OS, you need to use the ODBC applet in the sysWOW > folder. > > The one in: > > C:\Windows\System32\ODBCad32.EXE is a 64 bit version and any DSN > there won't be seen by 32 bit apps (which 2007 is). > > This is the one the gets launched from control panel. > > The one you need to use is: > > C:\Windows\syswow64\ODBCad32.EXE, which is the 32 bit version. > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, > Chester > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 10:06 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] ODB connection > > I have set up some ODBC connections through the control panel using > Windows 7. When I look for these connections in Access 2007 (external > data ODBC) I don't see them. Do I have to set them up in access also? > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From guss at beechnutconsulting.com Thu Feb 28 09:46:21 2013 From: guss at beechnutconsulting.com (Guss Ginsburg) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 09:46:21 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Password for Code In-Reply-To: References: <000001ce1443$442ff100$cc8fd300$@beechnutconsulting.com> <001901ce15bd$1cb6b020$56241060$@beechnutconsulting.com> Message-ID: <003c01ce15ca$c2467ea0$46d37be0$@beechnutconsulting.com> I have solved the problem, but without having to pay the $89. Thanks to some internal diligence to find the password to use. And yes, I did learn much about this feature in the process. Sincerely yours, ? Guss Ginsburg -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack drawbridge Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 8:13 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Password for Code So you have solved your problem for $89 and learned a lot in the process? On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Guss Ginsburg wrote: > We were able to track down the correct password, and am now able to > modify the code. Going through an upgrade from the 2002 version of > office to 2010, we had to deal with a missing reference, which we > could not fix without the password. The file is an mdb file. I can > look at any object including forms in design view with no problems, > except that if I want to explore form-based code, it required the > password. > > The code is protected via VBA editor --> Tools --> properties... > click on the protection tab, lock project for viewing, then enter and > confirm the password. > > Thanks for all the comments. > > Sincerely yours, > > Guss Ginsburg > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte > Foust > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 11:55 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Password for Code > > It sounds like you have an mde. In that case, you aren't dealing > with a password but with compiled, which can't be changed anyhow. > Could that be the case ? > > Charlotte > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Guss Ginsburg > wrote: > > > I have inherited a database from Access 2002 that has the code > > protected by a password, which nobody around here seems to know. Is > > there a way to find out what the PW is or to remove it so I can get > > in > and > modify code, etc? > > > > > > > > I tried a couple of programs to crack Access passwords, which both > > indicated my db was not pw-protected. But the code is. > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > Sincerely yours, > > > > > > > > Guss Ginsburg > > > > Beechnut Consulting Services > > > > Phone: 504-252-9131 > > > > Cell: 713-553-6298 > > > > www.beechnutconsulting.com > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jackandpat.d at gmail.com Thu Feb 28 09:55:37 2013 From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 10:55:37 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Password for Code In-Reply-To: <003c01ce15ca$c2467ea0$46d37be0$@beechnutconsulting.com> References: <000001ce1443$442ff100$cc8fd300$@beechnutconsulting.com> <001901ce15bd$1cb6b020$56241060$@beechnutconsulting.com> <003c01ce15ca$c2467ea0$46d37be0$@beechnutconsulting.com> Message-ID: "without having to pay the $89." ...even better! On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Guss Ginsburg wrote: > I have solved the problem, but without having to pay the $89. Thanks to > some internal diligence to find the password to use. And yes, I did learn > much about this feature in the process. > > Sincerely yours, > > Guss Ginsburg > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack drawbridge > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 8:13 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Password for Code > > So you have solved your problem for $89 and learned a lot in the process? > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Guss Ginsburg > wrote: > > > We were able to track down the correct password, and am now able to > > modify the code. Going through an upgrade from the 2002 version of > > office to 2010, we had to deal with a missing reference, which we > > could not fix without the password. The file is an mdb file. I can > > look at any object including forms in design view with no problems, > > except that if I want to explore form-based code, it required the > > password. > > > > The code is protected via VBA editor --> Tools --> properties... > > click on the protection tab, lock project for viewing, then enter and > > confirm the password. > > > > Thanks for all the comments. > > > > Sincerely yours, > > > > Guss Ginsburg > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte > > Foust > > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 11:55 AM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Password for Code > > > > It sounds like you have an mde. In that case, you aren't dealing > > with a password but with compiled, which can't be changed anyhow. > > Could that be the case ? > > > > Charlotte > > > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Guss Ginsburg > > wrote: > > > > > I have inherited a database from Access 2002 that has the code > > > protected by a password, which nobody around here seems to know. Is > > > there a way to find out what the PW is or to remove it so I can get > > > in > > and > > modify code, etc? > > > > > > > > > > > > I tried a couple of programs to crack Access passwords, which both > > > indicated my db was not pw-protected. But the code is. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely yours, > > > > > > > > > > > > Guss Ginsburg > > > > > > Beechnut Consulting Services > > > > > > Phone: 504-252-9131 > > > > > > Cell: 713-553-6298 > > > > > > www.beechnutconsulting.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Feb 28 10:13:04 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 11:13:04 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Password for Code In-Reply-To: References: <000001ce1443$442ff100$cc8fd300$@beechnutconsulting.com> <001901ce15bd$1cb6b020$56241060$@beechnutconsulting.com> <003c01ce15ca$c2467ea0$46d37be0$@beechnutconsulting.com> Message-ID: All I can say is that despite being an Access Developer for coming on 25+ years, I didn't know this. That's why I love this list, and that's why, in the absence of other more skilled volunteers, I am happy to toss in my hat, and hopefully help to save this beloved place. Over the past several years, I have learned a ton about Access, and VBA programming in general. I have also made friends with a bunch of people, scattered around the world. And I take enormous pleasure in this. I'm just a guy in Toronto, but I have friends in Denmark, Holland, PNG, Austrailia, Norway, Germany, France, Spain and numerous other nations. This fact makes me feel Proud to be a member of this group. While not wanting to cut anyone's grass, I am willing to accept some responsibility for administering this list. I have some ideas about how we can make it better and more useful, and I would be very happy to pay-forward to this list. I won't bother to name names, but more than a few of you have made me a better programmer, and I thank you for the education. A. On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 10:55 AM, jack drawbridge wrote: > "without having to pay the $89." ...even better! > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Guss Ginsburg < > guss at beechnutconsulting.com > > wrote: > > > I have solved the problem, but without having to pay the $89. Thanks to > > some internal diligence to find the password to use. And yes, I did > learn > > much about this feature in the process. > > > > Sincerely yours, > > > > Guss Ginsburg > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack > drawbridge > > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 8:13 AM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Password for Code > > > > So you have solved your problem for $89 and learned a lot in the process? > > > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Guss Ginsburg > > wrote: > > > > > We were able to track down the correct password, and am now able to > > > modify the code. Going through an upgrade from the 2002 version of > > > office to 2010, we had to deal with a missing reference, which we > > > could not fix without the password. The file is an mdb file. I can > > > look at any object including forms in design view with no problems, > > > except that if I want to explore form-based code, it required the > > > password. > > > > > > The code is protected via VBA editor --> Tools --> > properties... > > > click on the protection tab, lock project for viewing, then enter and > > > confirm the password. > > > > > > Thanks for all the comments. > > > > > > Sincerely yours, > > > > > > Guss Ginsburg > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte > > > Foust > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 11:55 AM > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Password for Code > > > > > > It sounds like you have an mde. In that case, you aren't dealing > > > with a password but with compiled, which can't be changed anyhow. > > > Could that be the case ? > > > > > > Charlotte > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Guss Ginsburg > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I have inherited a database from Access 2002 that has the code > > > > protected by a password, which nobody around here seems to know. Is > > > > there a way to find out what the PW is or to remove it so I can get > > > > in > > > and > > > modify code, etc? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tried a couple of programs to crack Access passwords, which both > > > > indicated my db was not pw-protected. But the code is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely yours, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guss Ginsburg > > > > > > > > Beechnut Consulting Services > > > > > > > > Phone: 504-252-9131 > > > > > > > > Cell: 713-553-6298 > > > > > > > > www.beechnutconsulting.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > AccessD mailing list > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Feb 28 13:37:43 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2013 05:37:43 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Read some fields from a record in a table and writethe data to another recorded in the table In-Reply-To: References: , <512E9B17.29016.66BD49B8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, Message-ID: <512FB207.14895.6AFEE4F3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Hi Steve, The code I posted was a minimal solution, Yes, set rs1 and rs2 to Nothing and Close them. (Access garbage collection should do it automatically when the procedure exits, but it is good practice to always explicitly destroy objects as soon as you have finished with them. It's also good to see you have included error handling. One comment. Your solution is very inefficient. You are updating the record once for each field, You only need to do the Update after setting all the field values. You should change For x = 0 To 20 strFieldName = "BW0" & Format$(x, "00") rs2(strFieldName) = rs1(strFieldName) rs2.Update rs2.Edit Next to For x = 0 To 20 strFieldName = "BW0" & Format$(x, "00") rs2(strFieldName) = rs1(strFieldName) Next r2.Update -- Stuart On 28 Feb 2013 at 9:29, Steve Turner wrote: > Thanks Stuart, > With some slight modifications to the code It works great. Had some > errors pop up but help got me thru. > Here's what I came up with. My other question would be should I set the > rs1 and 2 to Nothing as the other code I had did? Its commented out > here. Also should I close the rs1 after the close on rs2? > Help is much appreciated. > > > Private Sub btnCmdNewEmp_Click() > On Error GoTo Err_btnCmdNewEmp_Click > > > Screen.PreviousControl.SetFocus > > Dim strEmplOld As String > Dim strEmplNew As String > Dim rs1 As DAO.Recordset > Dim rs2 As DAO.Recordset > Dim x As Long > Dim strFieldName As String > Dim strSQL As String > strSQL = "'" ' Single quote > > strEmplOld = InputBox("Enter Employee Number to copy FROM") > strEmplNew = InputBox("Enter Employee Number to copy TO") > Set rs1 = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("select * from dbo_Employee where > empno = " & strSQL & strEmplOld & strSQL) > > Set rs2 = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("select * from dbo_Employee where > empno = " & strSQL & strEmplNew & strSQL) > > rs2.Edit > For x = 0 To 20 > strFieldName = "BW0" & Format$(x, "00") > rs2(strFieldName) = rs1(strFieldName) > rs2.Update > rs2.Edit > Next > rs2.Close > > > 'Set rs = Nothing > > Exit_btnCmdNewEmp_Click: > Exit Sub > > Err_btnCmdNewEmp_Click: > MsgBox Err.Description > Resume Exit_btnCmdNewEmp_Click > > End Sub > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart > McLachlan > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 5:48 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Read some fields from a record in a table and > writethe data to another recorded in the table > > I notice you are uupdating 21, not 20 fields. However, one solution: > > DIm strEmplOld as string > Dim strEmplNew as String > Dim rs1 As DAO.Recordset > Dim rs2 As DAO.Recordset > Dim x As Long > Dim strFieldName As String > Dim strSQ string > strSQL = "'" ' Single quote > > strEmplOld = InputBox("Enter Employee Number to copy FROM") strEmplNew = > InputBox("Enter Employee Number to copy TO") > > Set rs1 = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("select * from dbo_Employees where > EmpNo = " & strSQ & strEmplOld & strSQ) > > Set rs2 = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("select * from dbo_Employees where > EmpNo = " & strSQ & strEmplNew & strSQ) > > rs2.Edit > For x = 0 To 20 > strFieldName = "BW0" & Format$(x, "00") > rs2(strFieldName) = rs1(strFieldName) Next rs2.Update > > > > On 27 Feb 2013 at 17:17, Steve Turner wrote: > > > Need some help. I'm not a programmer but get around a little in VBA. I > > > have a linked table in my database Access 2010 linked to a sql Express > > > file called dbo_Employee. There are 50 fields or more in the file. 20 > > of the fields are charge rates. I want to read one employee EmpNo > > just for the 20 fields and write the data to another employee in the > > table. I got this code online and tried to modify it but it won't > > work. I'd like to do it with code that I can attach to a button. I > > think I need some input boxes for the EmpNo I want to read and one for > > > the new employee I want to write to but I haven't gotten that far. > > > > Here's the code I have so far. EmpNo is a text field also. The BW000 > > to > > BW020 are the fields I want to read and write. Oh and I have been > > following some of the talk here and you guys are great to help out > > guys like me so keep up the good work. > > > > > > > > Private Sub btnCmdNewEmp_Click() > > > > On Error GoTo Err_btnCmdNewEmp_Click > > > > > > > > > > > > Screen.PreviousControl.SetFocus > > > > 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdFind > > > > > > > > Dim rs As dao.Recordset > > > > Dim ValueList() > > > > Dim OldEmpId As String > > > > > > > > Dim NewEmpId As String > > > > > > > > ' Set rs = [dbo_Employee] > > > > > > > > CurrentDb.OpenRecordset ("Select * from [dbo_Employee] WHERE [Empno] = > " > > & [OldEmpId]) > > > > ValueList(0) = rs("BW000") > > > > ValueList(1) = rs("BW001") > > > > ValueList(2) = rs("BW002") > > > > ValueList(3) = rs("BW003") > > > > ValueList(4) = rs("BW004") > > > > ValueList(5) = rs("BW005") > > > > ValueList(6) = rs("BW006") > > > > ValueList(7) = rs("BW007") > > > > ValueList(8) = rs("BW008") > > > > ValueList(9) = rs("BW009") > > > > ValueList(10) = rs("BW0010") > > > > ValueList(11) = rs("BW0011") > > > > ValueList(12) = rs("BW0012") > > > > ValueList(13) = rs("BW0013") > > > > ValueList(14) = rs("BW0014") > > > > ValueList(15) = rs("BW0015") > > > > ValueList(16) = rs("BW0016") > > > > ValueList(17) = rs("BW0017") > > > > ValueList(18) = rs("BW0018") > > > > ValueList(19) = rs("BW0019") > > > > ValueList(20) = rs("BW0020") > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rs.Close > > > > CurrentDb.OpenRecordset ("Select * from [dbo_Employee] WHERE [Empno] = > " > > & NewEmpId) > > > > rs.Edit > > > > rs("BW000") = ValueList(0) > > > > rs("BW001") = ValueList(1) > > > > rs("BW002") = ValueList(2) > > > > rs("BW003") = ValueList(3) > > > > rs("BW004") = ValueList(4) > > > > rs("BW005") = ValueList(5) > > > > rs("BW006") = ValueList(6) > > > > rs("BW007") = ValueList(7) > > > > rs("BW008") = ValueList(8) > > > > rs("BW009") = ValueList(9) > > > > rs("BW0010") = ValueList(10) > > > > rs("BW0011") = ValueList(11) > > > > rs("BW0012") = ValueList(12) > > > > rs("BW0013") = ValueList(13) > > > > rs("BW0014") = ValueList(14) > > > > rs("BW0015") = ValueList(15) > > > > rs("BW0016") = ValueList(16) > > > > rs("BW0017") = ValueList(17) > > > > rs("BW0018") = ValueList(18) > > > > rs("BW0019") = ValueList(19) > > > > rs("BW0020") = ValueList(20) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rs.Update > > > > rs.Close > > > > Set rs = Nothing > > > > > > > > Exit_btnCmdNewEmp_Click: > > > > Exit Sub > > > > > > > > Err_btnCmdNewEmp_Click: > > > > MsgBox Err.Description > > > > Resume Exit_btnCmdNewEmp_Click > > > > > > > > End Sub > > > > > > > > Steve A.Turner > > > > Controller > > > > Mid-South Engineering Co. Inc. > > > > P.O. Box 1399 > > > > 1658 Malvern Ave. > > > > Hot Springs, AR 71902 > > > > Phone: 501-321-2276 > > > > Fax 501-321-4750 > > > > Cell 501-282-7751 > > > > Email sturner at mseco.com > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From sturner at mseco.com Thu Feb 28 16:26:15 2013 From: sturner at mseco.com (Steve Turner) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 16:26:15 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Read some fields from a record in a table andwritethe data to another recorded in the table In-Reply-To: <512FB207.14895.6AFEE4F3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <512E9B17.29016.66BD49B8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <512FB207.14895.6AFEE4F3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Thanks again Stuart, I changed the code to your suggestion but had to put the Next and rs2. Update on different lines for the syntax to work as shown below. Kept giving me errors. I would never have figured out the for next loop. I see that stepping though the code that I guess before it gets to the update line that if fills the record set with all the variables and then updates it. That's something I didn't know and also how the Format$ will change the strFieldName each time it runs thru it. May be minimal code for you but huge for me cause it works. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 1:38 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Read some fields from a record in a table andwritethe data to another recorded in the table Hi Steve, The code I posted was a minimal solution, Yes, set rs1 and rs2 to Nothing and Close them. (Access garbage collection should do it automatically when the procedure exits, but it is good practice to always explicitly destroy objects as soon as you have finished with them. It's also good to see you have included error handling. One comment. Your solution is very inefficient. You are updating the record once for each field, You only need to do the Update after setting all the field values. You should change For x = 0 To 20 strFieldName = "BW0" & Format$(x, "00") rs2(strFieldName) = rs1(strFieldName) rs2.Update rs2.Edit Next to For x = 0 To 20 strFieldName = "BW0" & Format$(x, "00") rs2(strFieldName) = rs1(strFieldName) Next rs2.Update -- Stuart On 28 Feb 2013 at 9:29, Steve Turner wrote: > Thanks Stuart, > With some slight modifications to the code It works great. Had some > errors pop up but help got me thru. > Here's what I came up with. My other question would be should I set > the > rs1 and 2 to Nothing as the other code I had did? Its commented out > here. Also should I close the rs1 after the close on rs2? > Help is much appreciated. > > > Private Sub btnCmdNewEmp_Click() > On Error GoTo Err_btnCmdNewEmp_Click > > > Screen.PreviousControl.SetFocus > > Dim strEmplOld As String > Dim strEmplNew As String > Dim rs1 As DAO.Recordset > Dim rs2 As DAO.Recordset > Dim x As Long > Dim strFieldName As String > Dim strSQL As String > strSQL = "'" ' Single quote > > strEmplOld = InputBox("Enter Employee Number to copy FROM") > strEmplNew = InputBox("Enter Employee Number to copy TO") Set rs1 = > CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("select * from dbo_Employee where empno = " & > strSQL & strEmplOld & strSQL) > > Set rs2 = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("select * from dbo_Employee where > empno = " & strSQL & strEmplNew & strSQL) > > rs2.Edit > For x = 0 To 20 > strFieldName = "BW0" & Format$(x, "00") > rs2(strFieldName) = rs1(strFieldName) > rs2.Update > rs2.Edit > Next > rs2.Close > > > 'Set rs = Nothing > > Exit_btnCmdNewEmp_Click: > Exit Sub > > Err_btnCmdNewEmp_Click: > MsgBox Err.Description > Resume Exit_btnCmdNewEmp_Click > > End Sub > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart > McLachlan > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 5:48 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Read some fields from a record in a table and > writethe data to another recorded in the table > > I notice you are uupdating 21, not 20 fields. However, one solution: > > DIm strEmplOld as string > Dim strEmplNew as String > Dim rs1 As DAO.Recordset > Dim rs2 As DAO.Recordset > Dim x As Long > Dim strFieldName As String > Dim strSQ string > strSQL = "'" ' Single quote > > strEmplOld = InputBox("Enter Employee Number to copy FROM") strEmplNew > = InputBox("Enter Employee Number to copy TO") > > Set rs1 = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("select * from dbo_Employees where > EmpNo = " & strSQ & strEmplOld & strSQ) > > Set rs2 = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("select * from dbo_Employees where > EmpNo = " & strSQ & strEmplNew & strSQ) > > rs2.Edit > For x = 0 To 20 > strFieldName = "BW0" & Format$(x, "00") > rs2(strFieldName) = rs1(strFieldName) Next rs2.Update > > > > On 27 Feb 2013 at 17:17, Steve Turner wrote: > > > Need some help. I'm not a programmer but get around a little in VBA. > > I > > > have a linked table in my database Access 2010 linked to a sql > > Express > > > file called dbo_Employee. There are 50 fields or more in the file. > > 20 of the fields are charge rates. I want to read one employee EmpNo > > just for the 20 fields and write the data to another employee in the > > table. I got this code online and tried to modify it but it won't > > work. I'd like to do it with code that I can attach to a button. I > > think I need some input boxes for the EmpNo I want to read and one > > for > > > the new employee I want to write to but I haven't gotten that far. > > > > Here's the code I have so far. EmpNo is a text field also. The > > BW000 to > > BW020 are the fields I want to read and write. Oh and I have been > > following some of the talk here and you guys are great to help out > > guys like me so keep up the good work. > > > > > > > > Private Sub btnCmdNewEmp_Click() > > > > On Error GoTo Err_btnCmdNewEmp_Click > > > > > > > > > > > > Screen.PreviousControl.SetFocus > > > > 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdFind > > > > > > > > Dim rs As dao.Recordset > > > > Dim ValueList() > > > > Dim OldEmpId As String > > > > > > > > Dim NewEmpId As String > > > > > > > > ' Set rs = [dbo_Employee] > > > > > > > > CurrentDb.OpenRecordset ("Select * from [dbo_Employee] WHERE [Empno] > > = > " > > & [OldEmpId]) > > > > ValueList(0) = rs("BW000") > > > > ValueList(1) = rs("BW001") > > > > ValueList(2) = rs("BW002") > > > > ValueList(3) = rs("BW003") > > > > ValueList(4) = rs("BW004") > > > > ValueList(5) = rs("BW005") > > > > ValueList(6) = rs("BW006") > > > > ValueList(7) = rs("BW007") > > > > ValueList(8) = rs("BW008") > > > > ValueList(9) = rs("BW009") > > > > ValueList(10) = rs("BW0010") > > > > ValueList(11) = rs("BW0011") > > > > ValueList(12) = rs("BW0012") > > > > ValueList(13) = rs("BW0013") > > > > ValueList(14) = rs("BW0014") > > > > ValueList(15) = rs("BW0015") > > > > ValueList(16) = rs("BW0016") > > > > ValueList(17) = rs("BW0017") > > > > ValueList(18) = rs("BW0018") > > > > ValueList(19) = rs("BW0019") > > > > ValueList(20) = rs("BW0020") > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rs.Close > > > > CurrentDb.OpenRecordset ("Select * from [dbo_Employee] WHERE [Empno] > > = > " > > & NewEmpId) > > > > rs.Edit > > > > rs("BW000") = ValueList(0) > > > > rs("BW001") = ValueList(1) > > > > rs("BW002") = ValueList(2) > > > > rs("BW003") = ValueList(3) > > > > rs("BW004") = ValueList(4) > > > > rs("BW005") = ValueList(5) > > > > rs("BW006") = ValueList(6) > > > > rs("BW007") = ValueList(7) > > > > rs("BW008") = ValueList(8) > > > > rs("BW009") = ValueList(9) > > > > rs("BW0010") = ValueList(10) > > > > rs("BW0011") = ValueList(11) > > > > rs("BW0012") = ValueList(12) > > > > rs("BW0013") = ValueList(13) > > > > rs("BW0014") = ValueList(14) > > > > rs("BW0015") = ValueList(15) > > > > rs("BW0016") = ValueList(16) > > > > rs("BW0017") = ValueList(17) > > > > rs("BW0018") = ValueList(18) > > > > rs("BW0019") = ValueList(19) > > > > rs("BW0020") = ValueList(20) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rs.Update > > > > rs.Close > > > > Set rs = Nothing > > > > > > > > Exit_btnCmdNewEmp_Click: > > > > Exit Sub > > > > > > > > Err_btnCmdNewEmp_Click: > > > > MsgBox Err.Description > > > > Resume Exit_btnCmdNewEmp_Click > > > > > > > > End Sub > > > > > > > > Steve A.Turner > > > > Controller > > > > Mid-South Engineering Co. Inc. > > > > P.O. Box 1399 > > > > 1658 Malvern Ave. > > > > Hot Springs, AR 71902 > > > > Phone: 501-321-2276 > > > > Fax 501-321-4750 > > > > Cell 501-282-7751 > > > > Email sturner at mseco.com > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From edzedz at comcast.net Thu Feb 28 16:46:23 2013 From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 15:46:23 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Remove the word KEY from AutoIndex Setting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Gary Kjos, That did the trick in removing a field that wasn't a key. http://www.fmsinc.com/free/newtips/access/AutoIndex/index.asp Once again Thanks. Btw, I had a strangulated hernia that kept me in the Hospital the last two weeks. Thus the reason for not getting back sooner with the email. Still real sore, but happy being alive and working on my projects. Thanks Sincerely, Ed. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 12:04 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Problems Access 2003 32bit Hi Ed, I think I can help with your first issue but not the second one.... You want to go into Tools / Options and then to teh Tables/Queries tab and clear out everyting from the "AutoIndex on Import/Create" box. These are field prefixes or suffixes that it will try to make indexes on on imports or new table creations. An explanation with screen grabs is here... http://www.fmsinc.com/free/newtips/access/AutoIndex/index.asp GK On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Edward Zuris wrote: > > > Hello: Database Advisors, > > > > I have a couple of issues that wondering if anyone has come across. > > > > I am using Access-2003 32-bit. > > > > 1). > > > > The first is a field called 'Roomkey'. When I import that table > > into another Ms-Access database that field becomes a 'KEY-Field'. > > > > The 'Roomkey' field describes the type of key for a hotel room > > which doesn't need to be a key field. > > > > That is a problem because all the numbers of indexes are used up > > and that extra key upsets the import process. > > > > Is there a way to turn that feature off ? > > > > 2). > > > > The second issue is when in Windows-7 Pro, Ms-Access doesn't seem > > to behave the same as when using XP Pro. Especially when it comes > > to speed. > > > > The only way to have Ms-Access behave the same with comparable > > speed is to get into Windows-7 Pro task-manager and change the > > msaccess.exe job to RealTime priority. > > > > Since the machine is a dual process computer, this doesn't seem > > to cause other problems. > > > > So, is there a way to have the msaccess.exe job just start up using > > the RealTime priority ? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Sincerely, > > Ed Zuris. > > edzedz at comcast.net > > > > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Feb 28 17:24:58 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 15:24:58 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] What the List Did For Me Message-ID: <72BA10D943294E7DAF4D7805874EEE32@HAL9007> In 1997 I didn't know my Access from my elbow. Thanks to the list I'm not only solvent, I won an Access contest: Goto www.e-z-mrp.com and click on the link E-Z-MRP developer wins the AUGSD 2012 Access Idol Challenge (bottom of the Testimonials box) Thank you one and all for your help over the years Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin From edzedz at comcast.net Thu Feb 28 17:40:24 2013 From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 16:40:24 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] What the List Did For Me In-Reply-To: <72BA10D943294E7DAF4D7805874EEE32@HAL9007> References: <72BA10D943294E7DAF4D7805874EEE32@HAL9007> Message-ID: <4F4203EE1A464770960F8AD84377091A@EDZ1> The list has been a great resource over the years. Now and then someone gets upset, but I can not understand why. It does not pick our pockets nor break our bones. Plus it is a great online community. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:25 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Cc: 'Off Topic' Subject: [AccessD] What the List Did For Me In 1997 I didn't know my Access from my elbow. Thanks to the list I'm not only solvent, I won an Access contest: Goto www.e-z-mrp.com and click on the link E-Z-MRP developer wins the AUGSD 2012 Access Idol Challenge (bottom of the Testimonials box) Thank you one and all for your help over the years Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kathryn at bassett.net Thu Feb 28 18:24:45 2013 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 16:24:45 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] What the List Did For Me In-Reply-To: <72BA10D943294E7DAF4D7805874EEE32@HAL9007> References: <72BA10D943294E7DAF4D7805874EEE32@HAL9007> Message-ID: I've a lot to be thankful for as well. For a 100 mile endurance race, I was doing manual spreadsheet entries based on info given me from the ham operators so that I could print the spreadsheets for the people at the finish line to see. I didn't even know what a "relational database" was. But since Access was part of the Office suite, I thought I'd find out and joined the list. With the help of this list, the race data got turned into an Access database, then further help made the info from the hams be able to be imported into the database, and each year there was something new that got added to make it better. Eventually, I got to the point that there was nothing more I could do with my mdb, and I was concentrating on putting the results on the website, warning that the place a runner was, was as much as 3-4 hours old. In parallel, there was someone working on a VB program for tracking the runners via ham radio software. He turned his program into Access, and we eventually married the two programs. As of about 4-5 years ago, that marriage provides instantly like feeds to update the website in real time. None of this could have happened without this list!!!!! The race this year is Aug 3/4 if you want to see the info in action at: http://scrrba.org/ac100 -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net?? > -----Original Message----- > In 1997 I didn't know my Access from my elbow. Thanks to the list I'm not > only solvent, I won an Access contest: > > Goto www.e-z-mrp.com and click on the link E-Z-MRP developer wins the > AUGSD > 2012 Access Idol Challenge (bottom of the Testimonials box) > > Thank you one and all for your help over the years > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin From marksimms at verizon.net Thu Feb 28 20:15:45 2013 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 21:15:45 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] my situation.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <018c01ce1622$af228fa0$0d67aee0$@net> I just want to let everyone know that I've made most of my hard (Very Hard) earned income by doing Excel VBA Work over the past 2 years. I've done complex, multi-workbook, multi-source automation projects that integrated data from disparate sources. I built a huge optimization model that was driven by a 3rd party linear programming optimizer written in C++. I recently built a supply chain management tool that integrates with a specialized ERP/CRM application built specifically for chemical distributors. The tool is a completely menu-driven app written for Excel 2010 and the user never needs to touch one worksheet or one cell....everything is form or menu-driven. It tells them what-to-buy and when-to-buy it....a complex optimal order quantity model that is completely integrated and automated. All they do is push some buttons...and filter the results. I even created a complex piece of code to remember their filter settings...a non-trivial task when filters are based on icons or color. After reviewing the thousands of pages of design notes I developed over the past 5 years, and then looking at this work relative to the people who were salaried at the companies I contracted at... I'd say I did about 5 TIMES the work of any of one those employees....for no benefits, no healthcare, nothing. And moreover, it was about 10-20 times the work of any of the managers, principals or VP's at these organizations. One manager I encountered....worked for Comcast...and never came to work. Over the 3 months I worked for him, I saw him 2 times. TWICE in 3 months !!! And he was paid handsomely with great benefits. I recently confirmed the desperate nature of this job market in IT contracting: A bid for a small 6 month contract at a "nobody" firm had me facing a list of 84 competitors. 84 !! Again, no bennies, no healthcare. I think my days in this business are rapidly coming to a close. Interestingly, I am now bidding on an Access project that likely will be my last contract. I just reviewed the app this evening. It's to do the complex payroll app for a crane operations company that has union workers...with multiple skills, rates, and locations. A grisly discovery from reviewing the data: some of these union workers are making more per hour than I am....plus they get benefits....and they have no formal college education either. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Feb 28 21:03:24 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 19:03:24 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Back to 8 Message-ID: <268F3780ECCE4263B11792F9784EAE3F@HAL9007> Dear Lists: So I upgraded to IE 10. Looked good. Couldn't tell much difference. But my connection to a client's server won't work in 10. So the not-work guy to em I have to go back to 8. So - how do I do that? MTIA Rocky From john at winhaven.net Thu Feb 28 21:18:28 2013 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 21:18:28 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Back to 8 In-Reply-To: <268F3780ECCE4263B11792F9784EAE3F@HAL9007> References: <268F3780ECCE4263B11792F9784EAE3F@HAL9007> Message-ID: <014001ce162b$7181cd60$54856820$@winhaven.net> How about 9? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 9:03 PM To: List; 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Back to 8 Dear Lists: So I upgraded to IE 10. Looked good. Couldn't tell much difference. But my connection to a client's server won't work in 10. So the not-work guy to em I have to go back to 8. So - how do I do that? MTIA Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz Thu Feb 28 22:05:08 2013 From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 17:05:08 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] changing Field Size programmatically Message-ID: Hi. Anyone know how to do this?... I have a number of fields, all of them Text data type, in a backend Access 2003 database, that I want to change the Field Size property. Aside from getting hold of each copy of the mdb file, and manually editing, is there a way I can do this in code from within the Frontend application? Thanks. Regards Steve From jbodin at sbor.com Thu Feb 28 22:16:55 2013 From: jbodin at sbor.com (John Bodin) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 04:16:55 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] changing Field Size programmatically In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Steve, Used this code in an A2010 app, worked real well. It is free, according to the web-site. Here's the link and the code for just the modify field size routine. Good luck. http://aislebyaisle.com/access/vba_backend_code.htm ' ' Free Code from http://aislebyaisle.com/access/vba_backend_code.htm ' '-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ' ' MSysObjects TYPES: ' 1 = Tables ' 6 = Attached Tables ' -32768 = Forms ' 5 = Queries ' -32764 = Reports ' -32761 = Modules '-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Change Field Size (for text fields) 'The function ChangeFieldSize works both if the table is linked or local, because the code checks what kind of table it is. This calls GetIndexes which is listed separately at the bottom of this page. The subroutine CallChangeFieldSize has sample code to call the function. Function ChangeFieldSize(TblName As String, FldName As String, NewSize As Byte) Dim Td As TableDef Dim db As Database Dim DbPath As Variant Dim FldPos As Integer Dim rs As Recordset Dim IdxNames As Variant Dim IdxFldName As String Dim IdxNum As Integer Dim x As Integer 'get back end path of linked table DbPath = DLookup("Database", "MSysObjects", "Name='" & TblName & "' And Type=6") If IsNull(DbPath) Then Set db = CurrentDb 'if local table Else Set db = OpenDatabase(DbPath) 'if linked table If Err <> 0 Then 'failed to open back end database Exit Function End If 'in case back end has different table name than front end TblName = DLookup("ForeignName", "MSysObjects", "Name='" & TblName & "' And Type=6") End If 'get table Set Td = db.TableDefs(TblName) If Err <> 0 Then 'failed to get table GoTo Done End If 'change field size If Td.Fields(FldName).Size <> NewSize Then With Td On Error Resume Next If NewSize > 0 And NewSize < 256 Then 'text field .Fields.Append .CreateField("TempFld", dbText, NewSize) Else '0 is memo field .Fields.Append .CreateField("TempFld", dbMemo) End If .Fields("TempFld").AllowZeroLength = True 'personal preference FldPos = .Fields(FldName).OrdinalPosition .Fields("TempFld").OrdinalPosition = FldPos Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(TblName) While Not rs.EOF rs.Edit rs!TempFld = rs.Fields(FldName) rs.Update rs.MoveNext Wend rs.Close 'get indexes used by this field IdxNames = GetIndexes(Td, FldName) 'temporarily delete indexes used by this field For IdxNum = UBound(IdxNames, 2) To 0 Step -1 If IdxNames(0, IdxNum) > "" Then .Indexes.Delete IdxNames(0, IdxNum) Next 'delete old field .Fields.Delete FldName 'rename new field to original .Fields("TempFld").Name = FldName 'restore indexes For IdxNum = 0 To UBound(IdxNames, 2) If IdxNames(0, IdxNum) > "" Then Dim Idx As Index Set Idx = .CreateIndex(IdxNames(0, IdxNum)) 'parse comma-delimited field names and add them to index While Len(IdxNames(8, IdxNum)) > 1 x = InStr(IdxNames(8, IdxNum), ",") IdxFldName = Left(IdxNames(8, IdxNum), x - 1) Idx.Fields.Append Td.CreateField(IdxFldName) IdxNames(8, IdxNum) = Mid(IdxNames(8, IdxNum), x + 1) Wend 'assign properties to index For x = 1 To 7 Idx.Properties(x) = IdxNames(x, IdxNum) Next 'add the index .Indexes.Append Idx End If Next End With If Err <> 0 Then GoTo Done End If ChangeFieldSize = True 'defaults to false if it fails to get here Done: If Not db Is Nothing Then db.Close End Function Sub CallChangeFieldSize() Dim Result As Boolean 'sample call: Result = ChangeFieldSize("Table1", "Field1", 15) Debug.Print Result End Sub '-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Get Indexes In Table 'Access won't let you change a field type or a field size if that field belongs to an index. Therefore, it's necessary to delete the index, modify the field, and restore the index. The function GetIndexes finds all the indexes containing the given field. It returns an array containing the index names and all the index properties so that you can restore them later. This function is called by the functions ChangeFieldSize and ChangeFieldType above. Function GetIndexes(Td As TableDef, FldName As String) 'Returns array of indexes containing the specified field, ' the first index starting at Idx(1), so that ' Ubound(2, Idx) equals the number of indexes having the specified field Dim IdxNum As Integer, FldNum As Integer, PropNum As Integer Dim IdxNames() As String 'array to hold indexes ReDim IdxNames(8, 0) 'first dimension contains the index properties and field names 'second dimension represents index number Dim FldNames As String For IdxNum = 0 To Td.Indexes.Count - 1 FldNames = "" For FldNum = 0 To Td.Indexes(IdxNum).Fields.Count - 1 'concatonate field names FldNames = FldNames & Td.Indexes(IdxNum).Fields(FldNum).Name & "," 'if index contains the field we're looking for ... If FldName = Td.Indexes(IdxNum).Fields(FldNum).Name Then If IdxNum > 0 Then ReDim Preserve IdxNames(8, IdxNum) 'properties go into first 7 places of first dimension For PropNum = 0 To 7 IdxNames(PropNum, IdxNum) = Td.Indexes(IdxNum).Properties(PropNum) Next End If Next 'field names go into 8th place of first dimension If IdxNames(8, UBound(IdxNames, 2)) = "" Then IdxNames(8, UBound(IdxNames, 2)) = FldNames Next GetIndexes = IdxNames End Function -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:05 PM To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] changing Field Size programmatically Hi. Anyone know how to do this?... I have a number of fields, all of them Text data type, in a backend Access 2003 database, that I want to change the Field Size property. Aside from getting hold of each copy of the mdb file, and manually editing, is there a way I can do this in code from within the Frontend application? Thanks. Regards Steve -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Feb 28 23:06:17 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 21:06:17 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Back to 8 In-Reply-To: <014001ce162b$7181cd60$54856820$@winhaven.net> References: <268F3780ECCE4263B11792F9784EAE3F@HAL9007> <014001ce162b$7181cd60$54856820$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <6179D24FE7E44A2E97762278573C966A@HAL9007> I'm not sure whether I was using 8 or 9. But notwork man said something about the server they're using and gave me the impression that 8 was what was needed. I tried to install nine but the installer said it was already installed. Ah, the Microsoft Mysteries. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:18 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8 How about 9? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 9:03 PM To: List; 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Back to 8 Dear Lists: So I upgraded to IE 10. Looked good. Couldn't tell much difference. But my connection to a client's server won't work in 10. So the not-work guy to em I have to go back to 8. So - how do I do that? MTIA Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Feb 28 23:15:23 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 21:15:23 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] changing Field Size programmatically In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <761339A1BF6B418484F861388134B1EA@HAL9007> I thought I remember trying to do this and you can't - you have to re-create the field. But here's a snip from a thread I found: ************************************************************************ You can't change the size of an existing field without generating an error, AFAIK. You can, however, create a temp field of the right size, copy data over, delete the old one, create the new one, copy the data over (to preserve field names), and delete the temp field. Any indexes or relationships will generate and error, however. Sub FieldChange() 'This will fail if the field is a part of any index or relationship..... 'Additional code is needed if that is a possibility Dim dbs As DAO.Database Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef Dim fld As DAO.Field Set dbs = CurrentDb Set tdf = dbs.TableDefs("Contacts") Set fld = tdf.CreateField("LastName1", dbText, 255) tdf.Fields.Append fld dbs.Execute "Update Contacts set lastname1 = lastname" tdf.Fields.Delete "LastName" tdf.Fields.Refresh Set fld = tdf.CreateField("LastName", dbText, 255) tdf.Fields.Append fld dbs.Execute "Update Contacts set lastname = lastname1" tdf.Fields.Delete "LastName1" tdf.Fields.Refresh Set fld = Nothing Set tdf = Nothing Set dbs = Nothing End Sub ************************************************************************ Shorter than the code from the link below but doesn't take care of re-creating the indezes. HTH Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bodin Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 8:17 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] changing Field Size programmatically Hi Steve, Used this code in an A2010 app, worked real well. It is free, according to the web-site. Here's the link and the code for just the modify field size routine. Good luck. http://aislebyaisle.com/access/vba_backend_code.htm ' ' Free Code from http://aislebyaisle.com/access/vba_backend_code.htm ' '--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ' ' MSysObjects TYPES: ' 1 = Tables ' 6 = Attached Tables ' -32768 = Forms ' 5 = Queries ' -32764 = Reports ' -32761 = Modules '--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 'Change Field Size (for text fields) 'The function ChangeFieldSize works both if the table is linked or local, because the code checks what kind of table it is. This calls GetIndexes which is listed separately at the bottom of this page. The subroutine CallChangeFieldSize has sample code to call the function. Function ChangeFieldSize(TblName As String, FldName As String, NewSize As Byte) Dim Td As TableDef Dim db As Database Dim DbPath As Variant Dim FldPos As Integer Dim rs As Recordset Dim IdxNames As Variant Dim IdxFldName As String Dim IdxNum As Integer Dim x As Integer 'get back end path of linked table DbPath = DLookup("Database", "MSysObjects", "Name='" & TblName & "' And Type=6") If IsNull(DbPath) Then Set db = CurrentDb 'if local table Else Set db = OpenDatabase(DbPath) 'if linked table If Err <> 0 Then 'failed to open back end database Exit Function End If 'in case back end has different table name than front end TblName = DLookup("ForeignName", "MSysObjects", "Name='" & TblName & "' And Type=6") End If 'get table Set Td = db.TableDefs(TblName) If Err <> 0 Then 'failed to get table GoTo Done End If 'change field size If Td.Fields(FldName).Size <> NewSize Then With Td On Error Resume Next If NewSize > 0 And NewSize < 256 Then 'text field .Fields.Append .CreateField("TempFld", dbText, NewSize) Else '0 is memo field .Fields.Append .CreateField("TempFld", dbMemo) End If .Fields("TempFld").AllowZeroLength = True 'personal preference FldPos = .Fields(FldName).OrdinalPosition .Fields("TempFld").OrdinalPosition = FldPos Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(TblName) While Not rs.EOF rs.Edit rs!TempFld = rs.Fields(FldName) rs.Update rs.MoveNext Wend rs.Close 'get indexes used by this field IdxNames = GetIndexes(Td, FldName) 'temporarily delete indexes used by this field For IdxNum = UBound(IdxNames, 2) To 0 Step -1 If IdxNames(0, IdxNum) > "" Then .Indexes.Delete IdxNames(0, IdxNum) Next 'delete old field .Fields.Delete FldName 'rename new field to original .Fields("TempFld").Name = FldName 'restore indexes For IdxNum = 0 To UBound(IdxNames, 2) If IdxNames(0, IdxNum) > "" Then Dim Idx As Index Set Idx = .CreateIndex(IdxNames(0, IdxNum)) 'parse comma-delimited field names and add them to index While Len(IdxNames(8, IdxNum)) > 1 x = InStr(IdxNames(8, IdxNum), ",") IdxFldName = Left(IdxNames(8, IdxNum), x - 1) Idx.Fields.Append Td.CreateField(IdxFldName) IdxNames(8, IdxNum) = Mid(IdxNames(8, IdxNum), x + 1) Wend 'assign properties to index For x = 1 To 7 Idx.Properties(x) = IdxNames(x, IdxNum) Next 'add the index .Indexes.Append Idx End If Next End With If Err <> 0 Then GoTo Done End If ChangeFieldSize = True 'defaults to false if it fails to get here Done: If Not db Is Nothing Then db.Close End Function Sub CallChangeFieldSize() Dim Result As Boolean 'sample call: Result = ChangeFieldSize("Table1", "Field1", 15) Debug.Print Result End Sub '--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 'Get Indexes In Table 'Access won't let you change a field type or a field size if that field belongs to an index. Therefore, it's necessary to delete the index, modify the field, and restore the index. The function GetIndexes finds all the indexes containing the given field. It returns an array containing the index names and all the index properties so that you can restore them later. This function is called by the functions ChangeFieldSize and ChangeFieldType above. Function GetIndexes(Td As TableDef, FldName As String) 'Returns array of indexes containing the specified field, ' the first index starting at Idx(1), so that ' Ubound(2, Idx) equals the number of indexes having the specified field Dim IdxNum As Integer, FldNum As Integer, PropNum As Integer Dim IdxNames() As String 'array to hold indexes ReDim IdxNames(8, 0) 'first dimension contains the index properties and field names 'second dimension represents index number Dim FldNames As String For IdxNum = 0 To Td.Indexes.Count - 1 FldNames = "" For FldNum = 0 To Td.Indexes(IdxNum).Fields.Count - 1 'concatonate field names FldNames = FldNames & Td.Indexes(IdxNum).Fields(FldNum).Name & "," 'if index contains the field we're looking for ... If FldName = Td.Indexes(IdxNum).Fields(FldNum).Name Then If IdxNum > 0 Then ReDim Preserve IdxNames(8, IdxNum) 'properties go into first 7 places of first dimension For PropNum = 0 To 7 IdxNames(PropNum, IdxNum) = Td.Indexes(IdxNum).Properties(PropNum) Next End If Next 'field names go into 8th place of first dimension If IdxNames(8, UBound(IdxNames, 2)) = "" Then IdxNames(8, UBound(IdxNames, 2)) = FldNames Next GetIndexes = IdxNames End Function -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:05 PM To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] changing Field Size programmatically Hi. Anyone know how to do this?... I have a number of fields, all of them Text data type, in a backend Access 2003 database, that I want to change the Field Size property. Aside from getting hold of each copy of the mdb file, and manually editing, is there a way I can do this in code from within the Frontend application? Thanks. Regards Steve -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Thu Feb 28 19:48:26 2013 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 01:48:26 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B53441CE91@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com> hehehehe, It is ok Bill, as an amatuer hack I am used to be insulted ;) And whilst that maybe indeed the case we are mere dabblers in the dark arts of VBA - us meek Excel hacks will be still be making money and in demand long after MS Access is retired from general use and Access devs are extinct. So all good really ;) . Arthur, please stick around on Excel - L, you will fit right in and your skills, experience and contributions will be appreciated. Besides, I usually find you highly entertaining as well as educational - and not just with VBA stuff either. Cheers Darryl. ________________________________________ From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] on behalf of William Benson (VBACreations.Com) [vbacreations at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2013 9:04 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this Art, you take one thread (or a couple) and then kick an entire Listserv to the curb? You ought to be ashamed ;-) Plus you just insulted both me and Darryl... Meanie. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:11 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this For some reason I ended up joining a list about Excel EXCEL-L at peach.ease.lsoft.com), mistaking it for one our our lists. Wow was I wrong/ These people need more than a lifetime of help. Unfortunately, as I age, I don't have that much time.. . To be fair, it's a user's group not a developer's group, and it does shed some light on the differenence. The scary part is that some of these people fancy themselves as "Quants", short for Quantitative Analysts, which means that they are risking the hard-earned money that others have made and invested in this or that fund. And I am aware of many of their algorithms, having once worked for a Bermudian hedge fund, which at least had the sense to use SQL Server rather then Excel. This seriously frightens me. These Excel listers, save on or two, don't even know that there is a difference between a Range and an Array. The prospect that these people are playing with millions of dollars of money belonging to other people is truly frightening. The up-side is that I have invested zero dollars in the opinions of these fools; the down-side is that many several millions have, and I fear for their prospects. I guess what I am saying is this: if you want to realize what a valuable group this one is, just go visit that one for a minute or two. To think that these people are waging millions of other people's dollars on their "feelings" is ghastly. Hold onto your wallet; trust no one, especially if they come bearing a spreadsheet.Yes, there are tools available to audit spreadsheets, and I trust them. But in their absence. do not trust anyone. These people are jokers, fools or scammers. Take your pick. I do not fancy myself as an Excel guru. But once I learned the model, I had no problem doing some fancy footwork in Excel. Bur rhis goes to way that there is a difference between a programmer and a user. The frightening part is that users equipped with Excel are making decisions involving millions of other people's dollars. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kjones at zorvek.com Thu Feb 28 15:27:44 2013 From: kjones at zorvek.com (Kevin Jones) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 21:27:44 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this Message-ID: <03F813AA132DDB4C965E100C8C7570B23A30C18D@BL2PRD0610MB362.namprd06.prod.outlook.com> Arthur, You sport an interesting perspective after such a short visit. Since you have made your opinion of the Excel-L forum public I feel compelled to make a few observations to balance out the discussion. We're a few subscribers short of a million. At last count we have 1,610 subscribers. So, if we are espousing bad information, I wouldn't be too concerned with the overall impact on society in general, or the Excel user community specifically. I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that we are risking other's money. Most of us are working on tools and applications for the companies that employ us. We share in the those business's fiduciary responsibility and, in some cases, own those companies. More specially, how does some confusion about how the VBE transforms an implicitly referenced range object into a Variant data type put at risk millions of dollars? Or imply that the confusion is indicative of inability to distinguish between a range and an array? Might knowledge of financial functions and formulas, and how same are integrated on a worksheet be more indicative of the financial performance and accuracy of any given investment model? So that others can follow along, here is the original post in that thread of which you gleaned your perspective: "So in this VBA course I'm taking the following example is given as one way to use an array: Dim y as Variant y = Range("E6:F8") Granted, this is an example and I understand the result is that y is an array even though you haven't declared the variable as one. What I am not clear on is when you would use such code. Also, wouldn't best practice be to (a) declare y as an array with the proper parameters at the beginning of the code and/or (b) at least put some comments before the second line explaining that an array is being declared and the purpose for it?" It looks like the OP has a pretty good idea that a range is being moved into an array and that the two are not the same but have similar properties. The discussion that followed concerned exactly how to best leverage the Variant data type as a dynamic array, use of Hungarian notation, use of the VBE, best programming practices, and array processing. At one point one individual stated "A range is not an array". Perhaps this is what led you to conclude that most of us thought they were the same. If you read more carefully, you will see that the comment was addressing the idea that the confusion was more about implicit properties and variable types than folks conceptualizing that a range object is the same as an array variable. The author of that comment later posted "Bill, You are correct. You end up with an array. I misread slightly, apologies!" When did anyone consider replacing SQL Server with Excel or vice versa? This notion is about as absurd as the notion that men and women think the same ;-) Microsoft has done some incredible work with their business intelligence tools integrated into Excel. Excel has proven to be a powerful data analysis platform with the help of expansive database back ends. The men and women who use, promote, and develop with Excel have proven this over and over - with a great deal of success. I have personally assisted a number of large multi-billion dollar hedge funds with their SQL Server databases and Excel modeling tools. To date they have been rather successful. I'm mostly at a loss as to what to make of your concern that the Excel-L folks are expressing feelings - and those feelings are further evidence that we are providing misguided and incorrect information to unsuspecting persons responsible for large amounts of money. Perhaps what you witnessed is a healthy and friendly community of Excel users and developers who actually like and appreciate each other beyond the formulas and VBA code. I have just returned from Microsoft after spending some time with the Excel development team and some other Excel MVPs. We discussed some geeky things, had some beers, and laughed. It was a good experience. You might want to get out someday and see if you can find some friends too. Instead of running away after a peek and spreading an opinion based on a short and narrow perspective, perhaps a better, more holistic and systemic approach to leaving a positive impact on the community is to stick around and collaborate, especially if you have a different perspective you find valuable and useful. I'm posting this to both AccessD and Excel-L so that both communities have an opportunity to see what you've been up to, and see an alternative perspective. Kevin Jones Microsoft Excel MVP 2006-present Excel, Access, SQL Server, C#, ASP.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 9:11 AM Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this > For some reason I ended up joining a list about Excel > EXCEL-L at peach.ease.lsoft.com), mistaking it for one our our lists. Wow > was > I wrong/ These people need more than a lifetime of help. Unfortunately, as > I age, I don't have that much time.. . > > To be fair, it's a user's group not a developer's group, and it does shed > some light on the differenence. > > The scary part is that some of these people fancy themselves as "Quants", > short for Quantitative Analysts, which means that they are risking the > hard-earned money that others have made and invested in this or that fund. > And I am aware of many of their algorithms, having once worked for a > Bermudian hedge fund, which at least had the sense to use SQL Server > rather > then Excel. > > This seriously frightens me. These Excel listers, save on or two, don't > even know that there is a difference between a Range and an Array. > > The prospect that these people are playing with millions of dollars of > money belonging to other people is truly frightening. The up-side is that > I > have invested zero dollars in the opinions of these fools; the down-side > is > that many several millions have, and I fear for their prospects. > > I guess what I am saying is this: if you want to realize what a valuable > group this one is, just go visit that one for a minute or two. To think > that these people are waging millions of other people's dollars on their > "feelings" is ghastly. > > Hold onto your wallet; trust no one, especially if they come bearing a > spreadsheet.Yes, there are tools available to audit spreadsheets, and I > trust them. But in their absence. do not trust anyone. These people are > jokers, fools or scammers. Take your pick. > > I do not fancy myself as an Excel guru. But once I learned the model, I > had > no problem doing some fancy footwork in Excel. Bur rhis goes to way that > there is a difference between a programmer and a user. The frightening > part > is that users equipped with Excel are making decisions involving millions > of other people's dollars. > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com