From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Jan  1 03:32:18 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 10:32:18 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8 Tablet and Access/Office 2010
Message-ID: <s0e2bb56.059@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

If your Office install is an OEM install, it is Samsung business. If your install is a purchase at the app store, it is Microsoft.

However, an OEM (trial) install should be preinstalled. If you then later download a retail Office, you probably have a mixed installation where Office can't sort the license keys out. If so, we've been able to solve it this way in Win7. Should be same though with Win8 Desktop:

Find ospp.vbs in the Office14 folder under Program Files\Microsoft Office.

Run as Administrator:
  cscript ospp.vbs 
to obtain a list of all parameters.

Run this with /dstatus: 
  cscript ospp.vbs /dstatus
You will then se all PKCs in use incl. the original of the (trial) OEM version as well as the newest which perhaps is activated.

Remove all not usable product keys one by one with:
    cscript ospp.vbs /unpkey:XXXXX
where XXXXX is the last five characters in the product key from the status list.

If the installed full PCK perhaps isn't activated, it can be done right away:
    cscript ospp.vbs /act

Voil?! Open Word or Excel; under Help everything about a trial license is gone.

/gustav


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 11:25 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8 Tablet and Access/Office 2010
>
> I bought myself a new Samsung Tablet PC with Windows 8 and I'm sure glad I
> didn't upgrade my laptop!  Once you get used to Win 8, it's not completely
> awful, but the desktop screams for a mouse and keyboard.  The virtual
> keyboard works fine in the Metro UI, but it's very awkward in desktop and
> you still need a mouse unless you know a LOT of keyboard shortcuts that are
> less than easily memorized.  I like the bluetooth mouse and keyboard options
> but I wrestled with the darn thing for a week before I bought those.
>
> It's painfully slow to download Office to the tablet and when I did, I
> discovered that even though the license allowed me to install on up to 3
> devices, the tablet wouldn't accept the product key used for the computer!
>  Microsoft help pointed at the computer OEM (not Samsung) and the OEM told
> me to call Microsoft.  GRRrrrrrrrrr  I finally bought a new copy of Access
> and downloaded and installed that.  I'd still like to install Office on
> there (I think), at least Word and Excel, but I'm not sure the tablet is up
> to the load.  Any suggestions or insight?  I hate breaking new ground like this!!
>
> Charlotte


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Tue Jan  1 08:24:51 2013
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 09:24:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access Database on Web
In-Reply-To: <1356902115.684079384@f171.mail.ru>
References: <50DF7B3D.5010907@torchlake.com>
	<1356902115.684079384@f171.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <50E2F1B3.4030601@torchlake.com>

Thank you, Shamil.  I appreciate the link to this blog.
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787

On 12/30/2012 4:15 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
>   Hi Tina --
>
> Have a look at MS Access 2013 and Office 365 -  http://blogs.msdn.com/b/windowsazure/archive/2012/11/06/microsoft-access-2013-a-cool-new-rapid-development-tool-for-the-cloud.aspx
> That could be the most natural way to up-size your app if you'd still prefer to stay within MS Dev tools stack.
>
> Another way as I have noted already in my another posting for this thread could be an ASP.NET (MVC) hosted web app with MS Access or MS SQL (full version) hosted backend. Hosting costs could be as low as USD5-10 per month worldwide.
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- Shamil
>
>
> ???????, 29 ??????? 2012, 18:22 -05:00 ?? Tina Norris Fields <tinanfields at torchlake.com>:
>> Hi Guys,
>>
>> I've got two fairly straight-forward database projects coming up, that
>> need to be available on the Web.
>>
>> One is of scanned images of soil erosion permit applications. People
>> must apply for a soil erosion permit in Michigan if they are planning to
>> do any tree cutting or earth modification within 100 feet of the state
>> waters.  Lake associations realize the importance of monitoring such
>> applications.  In order to make the records easily available, the county
>> soil erosion officer wants to scan the permit applications and put the
>> images online for the public to search.
>>
>> The second one is of data pertinent to streams that we monitor -
>> macroinvertebrate inventory data, pH, temperature, clarity, etc., plus
>> the GPS coordinates of the sites.
>>
>> I have never put a database online, and I could use some tutoring on how
>> best to go about it.  The databases themselves don't look complicated,
>> but putting stuff on the Web for search is new to me.
>>
>> Thanks for all the good advice you will be giving me!
>>
>> T
>>
>> -- 
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
>> -- 
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Tue Jan  1 08:43:19 2013
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 09:43:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access Database on Web
In-Reply-To: <50DF7B3D.5010907@torchlake.com>
References: <50DF7B3D.5010907@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <50E2F607.8040302@torchlake.com>

Thanks to all who have already given me some advice.  I have more 
questions, and they go outside Access, so maybe I have to move my 
questions to the dba-tech list. Moderators, please advise.

I've been playing with MySQL, using UwAMP and phpMyAdmin to run some 
tutorials.  I've also downloaded a huge MySQL reference manual and have 
begun studying it.  Using the phpMyAdmin I have a WYSIWYG interface for 
connecting to the localhost/mysql server to play around.  The reference 
manual speaks of what looks like a command line connection for invoking 
MySQL.  This one I don't follow.  How do I invoke MySQL from the DOS 
window?  Where do I have to be?  How do I make the connection that the 
phpMyAdmin seems to make so easily?  Or, should I just wait until that 
part makes sense to me and stick with the WYSIWYG interface for now?

The database structure for MySQL seems to be that the database is a 
folder and the database objects are separate files within that folder.  
Do I have that right?  That's the way the old dBase structure was, if I 
recall correctly.

I do appreciate the hand-holding, my friends.  There's so much to learn 
in a short time!

T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787

On 12/29/2012 6:22 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> I've got two fairly straight-forward database projects coming up, that 
> need to be available on the Web.
>
> One is of scanned images of soil erosion permit applications. People 
> must apply for a soil erosion permit in Michigan if they are planning 
> to do any tree cutting or earth modification within 100 feet of the 
> state waters.  Lake associations realize the importance of monitoring 
> such applications.  In order to make the records easily available, the 
> county soil erosion officer wants to scan the permit applications and 
> put the images online for the public to search.
>
> The second one is of data pertinent to streams that we monitor - 
> macroinvertebrate inventory data, p H, temperature, clarity, etc., 
> plus the GPS coordinates of the sites.
>
> I have never put a database online, and I could use some tutoring on 
> how best to go about it.  The databases themselves don't look 
> complicated, but putting stuff on the Web for search is new to me.
>
> Thanks for all the good advice you will be giving me!
>
> T
>


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Jan  1 12:53:26 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 04:53:26 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Database on Web
In-Reply-To: <50E2F607.8040302@torchlake.com>
References: <50DF7B3D.5010907@torchlake.com>, <50E2F607.8040302@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <50E330A6.13879.ADACD4BC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Don't bother with  the CLI - I never do.  You can do everything you want/need  with 
phpMyAdmin.

If you really want to check it out, go to your mySQL installation's binary directory and type 
"mysql -h".   (Not sure what it will be with UwAMP,  but my WAMP was installed on my D 
drive and the MySQL directory is: D:\wamp\bin\mysql\mysql5.5.20\bin).  There's a tutorial on 
using mySQL.exe here: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.5/en/mysql.html

How the data is stored depends on which storage engine is used (msot likely InnoDB or 
myISAM for early versions).  To quote the manual:  

<quote>For new tables, MySQL always creates an .frm file to hold the table and column 
definitions. The table's index and data may be stored in one or more other files, depending 
on the storage engine. The server creates the .frm file above the storage engine level. 
Individual storage engines create any additional files required for the tables that they 
manage</quote>. .



On 1 Jan 2013 at 9:43, Tina Norris Fields wrote:

> 
> I've been playing with MySQL, using UwAMP and phpMyAdmin to run some 
> tutorials.  I've also downloaded a huge MySQL reference manual and have 
> begun studying it.  Using the phpMyAdmin I have a WYSIWYG interface for 
> connecting to the localhost/mysql server to play around.  The reference 
> manual speaks of what looks like a command line connection for invoking 
> MySQL.  This one I don't follow.  How do I invoke MySQL from the DOS 
> window?  Where do I have to be?  How do I make the connection that the 
> phpMyAdmin seems to make so easily?  Or, should I just wait until that 
> part makes sense to me and stick with the WYSIWYG interface for now?
> 
> The database structure for MySQL seems to be that the database is a 
> folder and the database objects are separate files within that folder.  
> Do I have that right?  That's the way the old dBase structure was, if I 
> recall correctly.
> 
> I do appreciate the hand-holding, my friends.  There's so much to learn 
> in a short time!
> 
> T
> 
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
> 
> On 12/29/2012 6:22 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> > Hi Guys,
> >
> > I've got two fairly straight-forward database projects coming up, that 
> > need to be available on the Web.
> >
> > One is of scanned images of soil erosion permit applications. People 
> > must apply for a soil erosion permit in Michigan if they are planning 
> > to do any tree cutting or earth modification within 100 feet of the 
> > state waters.  Lake associations realize the importance of monitoring 
> > such applications.  In order to make the records easily available, the 
> > county soil erosion officer wants to scan the permit applications and 
> > put the images online for the public to search.
> >
> > The second one is of data pertinent to streams that we monitor - 
> > macroinvertebrate inventory data, p H, temperature, clarity, etc., 
> > plus the GPS coordinates of the sites.
> >
> > I have never put a database online, and I could use some tutoring on 
> > how best to go about it.  The databases themselves don't look 
> > complicated, but putting stuff on the Web for search is new to me.
> >
> > Thanks for all the good advice you will be giving me!
> >
> > T
> >
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Tue Jan  1 13:24:12 2013
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 11:24:12 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8 Tablet and Access/Office 2010
In-Reply-To: <s0e2bb56.059@cactus.dk>
References: <s0e2bb56.059@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_vteawrKASm-253MAMj5GERr0+eD-3X0EgxNywmqbqyQ@mail.gmail.com>

Problem is, the OEM version isn't from Samsung and I order Pro with the
machine so it was installed, but the MS license isn't brand-specific.  I
downloaded the thing from Microsoft onto the tablet (no way to use the CD
on it) but it won't install because it wants a product key which it won't
accept.  I got help from the OEM to get the correct product key from the
computer and (surprise) it was different from the one on the CD packaging,
so I'll try your method and see what happens.

Thanks,
Charlotte

On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 1:32 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Charlotte
>
> If your Office install is an OEM install, it is Samsung business. If your
> install is a purchase at the app store, it is Microsoft.
>
> However, an OEM (trial) install should be preinstalled. If you then later
> download a retail Office, you probably have a mixed installation where
> Office can't sort the license keys out. If so, we've been able to solve it
> this way in Win7. Should be same though with Win8 Desktop:
>
> Find ospp.vbs in the Office14 folder under Program Files\Microsoft Office.
>
> Run as Administrator:
>   cscript ospp.vbs
> to obtain a list of all parameters.
>
> Run this with /dstatus:
>   cscript ospp.vbs /dstatus
> You will then se all PKCs in use incl. the original of the (trial) OEM
> version as well as the newest which perhaps is activated.
>
> Remove all not usable product keys one by one with:
>     cscript ospp.vbs /unpkey:XXXXX
> where XXXXX is the last five characters in the product key from the status
> list.
>
> If the installed full PCK perhaps isn't activated, it can be done right
> away:
>     cscript ospp.vbs /act
>
> Voil?! Open Word or Excel; under Help everything about a trial license is
> gone.
>
> /gustav
>
>
>

From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Tue Jan  1 14:28:18 2013
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 15:28:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access Database on Web
In-Reply-To: <50E330A6.13879.ADACD4BC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <50DF7B3D.5010907@torchlake.com>, <50E2F607.8040302@torchlake.com>
	<50E330A6.13879.ADACD4BC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <50E346E2.5080304@torchlake.com>

Thank you, Stuart.  For my own curiosity and understanding,I have to 
check that out.  But, I really appreciate the feedback that I can do the 
necessary with phpMyAdmin.  I hope this new year a joyous and prosperous 
one for you and your family.
Best,
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787

On 1/1/2013 1:53 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> Don't bother with  the CLI - I never do.  You can do everything you want/need  with
> phpMyAdmin.
>
> If you really want to check it out, go to your mySQL installation's binary directory and type
> "mysql -h".   (Not sure what it will be with UwAMP,  but my WAMP was installed on my D
> drive and the MySQL directory is: D:\wamp\bin\mysql\mysql5.5.20\bin).  There's a tutorial on
> using mySQL.exe here: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.5/en/mysql.html
>
> How the data is stored depends on which storage engine is used (msot likely InnoDB or
> myISAM for early versions).  To quote the manual:
>
> <quote>For new tables, MySQL always creates an .frm file to hold the table and column
> definitions. The table's index and data may be stored in one or more other files, depending
> on the storage engine. The server creates the .frm file above the storage engine level.
> Individual storage engines create any additional files required for the tables that they
> manage</quote>. .
>
>
>
> On 1 Jan 2013 at 9:43, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>
>> I've been playing with MySQL, using UwAMP and phpMyAdmin to run some
>> tutorials.  I've also downloaded a huge MySQL reference manual and have
>> begun studying it.  Using the phpMyAdmin I have a WYSIWYG interface for
>> connecting to the localhost/mysql server to play around.  The reference
>> manual speaks of what looks like a command line connection for invoking
>> MySQL.  This one I don't follow.  How do I invoke MySQL from the DOS
>> window?  Where do I have to be?  How do I make the connection that the
>> phpMyAdmin seems to make so easily?  Or, should I just wait until that
>> part makes sense to me and stick with the WYSIWYG interface for now?
>>
>> The database structure for MySQL seems to be that the database is a
>> folder and the database objects are separate files within that folder.
>> Do I have that right?  That's the way the old dBase structure was, if I
>> recall correctly.
>>
>> I do appreciate the hand-holding, my friends.  There's so much to learn
>> in a short time!
>>
>> T
>>
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
>> On 12/29/2012 6:22 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>>> Hi Guys,
>>>
>>> I've got two fairly straight-forward database projects coming up, that
>>> need to be available on the Web.
>>>
>>> One is of scanned images of soil erosion permit applications. People
>>> must apply for a soil erosion permit in Michigan if they are planning
>>> to do any tree cutting or earth modification within 100 feet of the
>>> state waters.  Lake associations realize the importance of monitoring
>>> such applications.  In order to make the records easily available, the
>>> county soil erosion officer wants to scan the permit applications and
>>> put the images online for the public to search.
>>>
>>> The second one is of data pertinent to streams that we monitor -
>>> macroinvertebrate inventory data, p H, temperature, clarity, etc.,
>>> plus the GPS coordinates of the sites.
>>>
>>> I have never put a database online, and I could use some tutoring on
>>> how best to go about it.  The databases themselves don't look
>>> complicated, but putting stuff on the Web for search is new to me.
>>>
>>> Thanks for all the good advice you will be giving me!
>>>
>>> T
>>>
>> -- 
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>


From dw-murphy at cox.net  Tue Jan  1 14:52:34 2013
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 12:52:34 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access Database on Web
In-Reply-To: <50E346E2.5080304@torchlake.com>
References: <50DF7B3D.5010907@torchlake.com>,
	<50E2F607.8040302@torchlake.com>	<50E330A6.13879.ADACD4BC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<50E346E2.5080304@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <009901cde861$ed0a4f40$c71eedc0$@cox.net>

Hi Tina,

If you are familiar with the Microsoft environment I'd stick with SQL
Server. There are many low cost web hosts, Arvixe for one, that offer SQL
Server databases that are more than adequate for the type of web project
your talking about. These companies use SQL Express but I have found no
performance limitations. Possibly if you're talking thousands of hits per
minute and gigs  of storage you might find the limits, but I haven't I we
have some quite challenging stored procedures running on several of these.
You might also take a look at Microsoft LightSwitch for your development
environment. The new version will publish to the desktop or web in HTML 5 so
the apps will work on any phone or tablet.

My 2 cents worth.

Happy New Year.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 12:28 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Database on Web

Thank you, Stuart.  For my own curiosity and understanding,I have to check
that out.  But, I really appreciate the feedback that I can do the necessary
with phpMyAdmin.  I hope this new year a joyous and prosperous one for you
and your family.
Best,
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787

On 1/1/2013 1:53 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> Don't bother with  the CLI - I never do.  You can do everything you 
> want/need  with phpMyAdmin.
>
> If you really want to check it out, go to your mySQL installation's binary
directory and type
> "mysql -h".   (Not sure what it will be with UwAMP,  but my WAMP was
installed on my D
> drive and the MySQL directory is: D:\wamp\bin\mysql\mysql5.5.20\bin).  
> There's a tutorial on using mySQL.exe here: 
> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.5/en/mysql.html
>
> How the data is stored depends on which storage engine is used (msot 
> likely InnoDB or myISAM for early versions).  To quote the manual:
>
> <quote>For new tables, MySQL always creates an .frm file to hold the 
> table and column definitions. The table's index and data may be stored 
> in one or more other files, depending on the storage engine. The server
creates the .frm file above the storage engine level.
> Individual storage engines create any additional files required for 
> the tables that they manage</quote>. .
>
>
>
> On 1 Jan 2013 at 9:43, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>
>> I've been playing with MySQL, using UwAMP and phpMyAdmin to run some 
>> tutorials.  I've also downloaded a huge MySQL reference manual and 
>> have begun studying it.  Using the phpMyAdmin I have a WYSIWYG 
>> interface for connecting to the localhost/mysql server to play 
>> around.  The reference manual speaks of what looks like a command 
>> line connection for invoking MySQL.  This one I don't follow.  How do 
>> I invoke MySQL from the DOS window?  Where do I have to be?  How do I 
>> make the connection that the phpMyAdmin seems to make so easily?  Or, 
>> should I just wait until that part makes sense to me and stick with the
WYSIWYG interface for now?
>>
>> The database structure for MySQL seems to be that the database is a 
>> folder and the database objects are separate files within that folder.
>> Do I have that right?  That's the way the old dBase structure was, if 
>> I recall correctly.
>>
>> I do appreciate the hand-holding, my friends.  There's so much to 
>> learn in a short time!
>>
>> T
>>
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
>> On 12/29/2012 6:22 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>>> Hi Guys,
>>>
>>> I've got two fairly straight-forward database projects coming up, 
>>> that need to be available on the Web.
>>>
>>> One is of scanned images of soil erosion permit applications. People 
>>> must apply for a soil erosion permit in Michigan if they are 
>>> planning to do any tree cutting or earth modification within 100 
>>> feet of the state waters.  Lake associations realize the importance 
>>> of monitoring such applications.  In order to make the records 
>>> easily available, the county soil erosion officer wants to scan the 
>>> permit applications and put the images online for the public to search.
>>>
>>> The second one is of data pertinent to streams that we monitor - 
>>> macroinvertebrate inventory data, p H, temperature, clarity, etc., 
>>> plus the GPS coordinates of the sites.
>>>
>>> I have never put a database online, and I could use some tutoring on 
>>> how best to go about it.  The databases themselves don't look 
>>> complicated, but putting stuff on the Web for search is new to me.
>>>
>>> Thanks for all the good advice you will be giving me!
>>>
>>> T
>>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>

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From kathryn at bassett.net  Tue Jan  1 15:51:24 2013
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 13:51:24 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] State/County table?
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YfCgAAAEAAAACGpXfU6d4tGi6Qe5Oe1fioBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>

I'm trying to build an mdb that will have states and counties. Anyone have a
table, or know how to get one that I can import that has all the states and
their counties? This is going to be for a marriage index, and I want to have
the main table do a lookup for the state/county so I can have a dropdown box
in the form.

--
Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net?? 





From steve at goodhall.info  Tue Jan  1 16:03:47 2013
From: steve at goodhall.info (Steve Goodhall)
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 17:03:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] State/County table?
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YfCgAAAEAAAACGpXfU6d4tGi6Qe5Oe1fioBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YfCgAAAEAAAACGpXfU6d4tGi6Qe5Oe1fioBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAC46FCoCN45Cq5lG5Z9MFfnCgAAAEAAAAMADRaVF6v9Ntu9nxZgUWEwBAAAAAA==@goodhall.info>

There is a Federal standard for county codes.  Look at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIPS_county_code

I believe that this
(http://www.stssamples.com/xls/US_FIPS_CountyCodes_092309.xls) link will
give you a complete table.


Steve Goodhall


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn Bassett
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 4:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] State/County table?

I'm trying to build an mdb that will have states and counties. Anyone have a
table, or know how to get one that I can import that has all the states and
their counties? This is going to be for a marriage index, and I want to have
the main table do a lookup for the state/county so I can have a dropdown box
in the form.

--
Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net?? 




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From kathryn at bassett.net  Tue Jan  1 16:13:11 2013
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 14:13:11 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] State/County table?
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Thanks, that's just what I need.
Kathryn

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Goodhall
> Sent: 01 Jan 2013 2:04 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] State/County table?
> 
> There is a Federal standard for county codes.  Look at
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIPS_county_code
> 
> I believe that this
> (http://www.stssamples.com/xls/US_FIPS_CountyCodes_092309.xls) link will
> give you a complete table.
> 
> 
> Steve Goodhall
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn Bassett
> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 4:51 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] State/County table?
> 
> I'm trying to build an mdb that will have states and counties. Anyone have
a
> table, or know how to get one that I can import that has all the states
and their
> counties? This is going to be for a marriage index, and I want to have the
main
> table do a lookup for the state/county so I can have a dropdown box in the
> form.
> 
> --
> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net
> 
> 
> 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Jan  1 17:13:36 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 09:13:36 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Database on Web
In-Reply-To: <009901cde861$ed0a4f40$c71eedc0$@cox.net>
References: <50DF7B3D.5010907@torchlake.com>, <50E346E2.5080304@torchlake.com>,
	<009901cde861$ed0a4f40$c71eedc0$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <50E36DA0.25601.AE9B05C0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

If you want avoid getting locked into a declining market, I'd go with *AMP.  

MS are down to around 16-17%  market share now on web  servers,

http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2012/11/01/november-2012-web-server-survey.html
and
http://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/web_server/all


On 1 Jan 2013 at 12:52, Doug Murphy wrote:

> Hi Tina,
> 
> If you are familiar with the Microsoft environment I'd stick with SQL
> Server. There are many low cost web hosts, Arvixe for one, that offer SQL
> Server databases that are more than adequate for the type of web project
> your talking about. These companies use SQL Express but I have found no
> performance limitations. Possibly if you're talking thousands of hits per
> minute and gigs  of storage you might find the limits, but I haven't I we
> have some quite challenging stored procedures running on several of these.
> You might also take a look at Microsoft LightSwitch for your development
> environment. The new version will publish to the desktop or web in HTML 5 so
> the apps will work on any phone or tablet.
> 
> My 2 cents worth.
> 
> Happy New Year.
> 
> Doug
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> Fields
> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 12:28 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Database on Web
> 
> Thank you, Stuart.  For my own curiosity and understanding,I have to check
> that out.  But, I really appreciate the feedback that I can do the necessary
> with phpMyAdmin.  I hope this new year a joyous and prosperous one for you
> and your family.
> Best,
> T
> 
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
> 
> On 1/1/2013 1:53 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> > Don't bother with  the CLI - I never do.  You can do everything you 
> > want/need  with phpMyAdmin.
> >
> > If you really want to check it out, go to your mySQL installation's binary
> directory and type
> > "mysql -h".   (Not sure what it will be with UwAMP,  but my WAMP was
> installed on my D
> > drive and the MySQL directory is: D:\wamp\bin\mysql\mysql5.5.20\bin).  
> > There's a tutorial on using mySQL.exe here: 
> > http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.5/en/mysql.html
> >
> > How the data is stored depends on which storage engine is used (msot 
> > likely InnoDB or myISAM for early versions).  To quote the manual:
> >
> > <quote>For new tables, MySQL always creates an .frm file to hold the 
> > table and column definitions. The table's index and data may be stored 
> > in one or more other files, depending on the storage engine. The server
> creates the .frm file above the storage engine level.
> > Individual storage engines create any additional files required for 
> > the tables that they manage</quote>. .
> >
> >
> >
> > On 1 Jan 2013 at 9:43, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> >
> >> I've been playing with MySQL, using UwAMP and phpMyAdmin to run some 
> >> tutorials.  I've also downloaded a huge MySQL reference manual and 
> >> have begun studying it.  Using the phpMyAdmin I have a WYSIWYG 
> >> interface for connecting to the localhost/mysql server to play 
> >> around.  The reference manual speaks of what looks like a command 
> >> line connection for invoking MySQL.  This one I don't follow.  How do 
> >> I invoke MySQL from the DOS window?  Where do I have to be?  How do I 
> >> make the connection that the phpMyAdmin seems to make so easily?  Or, 
> >> should I just wait until that part makes sense to me and stick with the
> WYSIWYG interface for now?
> >>
> >> The database structure for MySQL seems to be that the database is a 
> >> folder and the database objects are separate files within that folder.
> >> Do I have that right?  That's the way the old dBase structure was, if 
> >> I recall correctly.
> >>
> >> I do appreciate the hand-holding, my friends.  There's so much to 
> >> learn in a short time!
> >>
> >> T
> >>
> >> Tina Norris Fields
> >> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> >> 231-322-2787
> >>
> >> On 12/29/2012 6:22 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> >>> Hi Guys,
> >>>
> >>> I've got two fairly straight-forward database projects coming up, 
> >>> that need to be available on the Web.
> >>>
> >>> One is of scanned images of soil erosion permit applications. People 
> >>> must apply for a soil erosion permit in Michigan if they are 
> >>> planning to do any tree cutting or earth modification within 100 
> >>> feet of the state waters.  Lake associations realize the importance 
> >>> of monitoring such applications.  In order to make the records 
> >>> easily available, the county soil erosion officer wants to scan the 
> >>> permit applications and put the images online for the public to search.
> >>>
> >>> The second one is of data pertinent to streams that we monitor - 
> >>> macroinvertebrate inventory data, p H, temperature, clarity, etc., 
> >>> plus the GPS coordinates of the sites.
> >>>
> >>> I have never put a database online, and I could use some tutoring on 
> >>> how best to go about it.  The databases themselves don't look 
> >>> complicated, but putting stuff on the Web for search is new to me.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for all the good advice you will be giving me!
> >>>
> >>> T
> >>>
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From kathryn at bassett.net  Tue Jan  1 18:29:13 2013
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 16:29:13 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] State/County table part 2
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YfCgAAAEAAAAJMMHZTZuWxJqTfgRi0VKfYBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xafzeh21sj6fyxu/MarriageIndex.accdb
In case this makes a difference overall, I'm using 2010, but need to make
sure the database will work on 2007. So do I need to do something to that
end? I'm thinking the extension needs to be .mdb? My friend was able to open
it to look at it, but that doesn't mean there isn't something else that may
crop up.

On to my question. Take a look at frmDataEntry. The dropdown for State
works, but how does the data entry person know which County to use? For
instance, there's Adams counties in several different states. 

Feel free to change the form or whatever underlying thing that needs
changing to make it work if you have a way to send it back. But since it's
large, you may not be able to do that. If that's the case, tell me step by
step what I need to do to get it working. Screen captures off list (since
list is text only) would work to show me things that are harder to describe.

Thanks for the help!

--
Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net?? 






From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Jan  1 18:41:55 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 10:41:55 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] State/County table part 2
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References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YfCgAAAEAAAAJMMHZTZuWxJqTfgRi0VKfYBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>
Message-ID: <50E38253.3418.AEEBE0C4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I would have downloaded it and answered your questions if you had zipped it, but a 55MB 
download will just cost me too much time and money :-(

-- 
Stuart

On 1 Jan 2013 at 16:29, Kathryn Bassett wrote:

> https://www.dropbox.com/s/xafzeh21sj6fyxu/MarriageIndex.accdb
> In case this makes a difference overall, I'm using 2010, but need to make
> sure the database will work on 2007. So do I need to do something to that
> end? I'm thinking the extension needs to be .mdb? My friend was able to open
> it to look at it, but that doesn't mean there isn't something else that may
> crop up.
> 
> On to my question. Take a look at frmDataEntry. The dropdown for State
> works, but how does the data entry person know which County to use? For
> instance, there's Adams counties in several different states. 
> 
> Feel free to change the form or whatever underlying thing that needs
> changing to make it work if you have a way to send it back. But since it's
> large, you may not be able to do that. If that's the case, tell me step by
> step what I need to do to get it working. Screen captures off list (since
> list is text only) would work to show me things that are harder to describe.
> 
> Thanks for the help!
> 
> --
> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net?? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From kathryn at bassett.net  Tue Jan  1 19:17:16 2013
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 17:17:16 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] State/County table part 2
In-Reply-To: <50E38253.3418.AEEBE0C4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
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	<50E38253.3418.AEEBE0C4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
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> I would have downloaded it and answered your questions if you had zipped
it,
> but a 55MB download will just cost me too much time and money :-(

Sorry about that :)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/go98nfxsc15e2wl/MarriageIndex.zip



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Jan  1 21:23:15 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 13:23:15 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] State/County table part 2
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Message-ID: <50E3A823.32130.AF7F94F8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

That's better.  :-)

And incidentally, I just Compacted it and the 55Mb went down to 720KB.

Change the record source of MarrCounty to:

SELECT tblCounty.County, tblCounty.ID, tblCounty.tblState_ID FROM tblCounty WHERE 
(((tblCounty.tblState_ID)=[Forms]![frmDataEntry]![MarrState])) ORDER BY 
tblCounty.[County]; 

Add the following event procedure to MarrState:

Private Sub MarrState_AfterUpdate()
MarrCounty = ""
MarrCounty.Requery
End Sub


That will do it. 

-- 
Stuart



On 1 Jan 2013 at 17:17, Kathryn Bassett wrote:

> > I would have downloaded it and answered your questions if you had zipped
> it,
> > but a 55MB download will just cost me too much time and money :-(
> 
> Sorry about that :)
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/go98nfxsc15e2wl/MarriageIndex.zip
> 
> 
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From kathryn at bassett.net  Tue Jan  1 21:36:53 2013
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 19:36:53 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] State/County table part 2
In-Reply-To: <50E3A823.32130.AF7F94F8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAAODQ0vje3LNEkacAbslaa0MBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>
	<50E3A823.32130.AF7F94F8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAABwxLYV5gfJNqOEx21HIcwEBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>

In which table, query or form? For some reason,  I can't find the place to
change it in any of those.

Forgot about compacting.

Kathryn

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: 01 Jan 2013 7:23 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] State/County table part 2
> 
> That's better.  :-)
> 
> And incidentally, I just Compacted it and the 55Mb went down to 720KB.
> 
> Change the record source of MarrCounty to:
> 
> SELECT tblCounty.County, tblCounty.ID, tblCounty.tblState_ID FROM
tblCounty
> WHERE
> (((tblCounty.tblState_ID)=[Forms]![frmDataEntry]![MarrState])) ORDER BY
> tblCounty.[County];
> 
> Add the following event procedure to MarrState:
> 
> Private Sub MarrState_AfterUpdate()
> MarrCounty = ""
> MarrCounty.Requery
> End Sub
> 
> 
> That will do it.
> 
> --
> Stuart
> 
> 
> 
> On 1 Jan 2013 at 17:17, Kathryn Bassett wrote:
> 
> > > I would have downloaded it and answered your questions if you had
zipped
> > it,
> > > but a 55MB download will just cost me too much time and money :-(
> >
> > Sorry about that :)
> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/go98nfxsc15e2wl/MarriageIndex.zip
> >
> >
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From Benson at ge.com  Tue Jan  1 22:11:41 2013
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 04:11:41 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Database on Web
In-Reply-To: <50E36DA0.25601.AE9B05C0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <50DF7B3D.5010907@torchlake.com>, <50E346E2.5080304@torchlake.com>,
	<009901cde861$ed0a4f40$c71eedc0$@cox.net>
	<50E36DA0.25601.AE9B05C0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C89A8A2@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>

I think you may conclude the same thing but to be clearer, http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2012/11/01/november-2012-web-server-survey.html  says  "Apache lost 2.0 million sites this month, whereas Microsoft gained 2.3 million"

Maybe Microsoft is making a comeback :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 6:14 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Database on Web

If you want avoid getting locked into a declining market, I'd go with *AMP.  

MS are down to around 16-17%  market share now on web  servers,

http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2012/11/01/november-2012-web-server-survey.html
and
http://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/web_server/all


On 1 Jan 2013 at 12:52, Doug Murphy wrote:

> Hi Tina,
> 
> If you are familiar with the Microsoft environment I'd stick with SQL 
> Server. There are many low cost web hosts, Arvixe for one, that offer 
> SQL Server databases that are more than adequate for the type of web 
> project your talking about. These companies use SQL Express but I have 
> found no performance limitations. Possibly if you're talking thousands 
> of hits per minute and gigs  of storage you might find the limits, but 
> I haven't I we have some quite challenging stored procedures running on several of these.
> You might also take a look at Microsoft LightSwitch for your 
> development environment. The new version will publish to the desktop 
> or web in HTML 5 so the apps will work on any phone or tablet.
> 
> My 2 cents worth.
> 
> Happy New Year.
> 
> Doug
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris 
> Fields
> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 12:28 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Database on Web
> 
> Thank you, Stuart.  For my own curiosity and understanding,I have to 
> check that out.  But, I really appreciate the feedback that I can do 
> the necessary with phpMyAdmin.  I hope this new year a joyous and 
> prosperous one for you and your family.
> Best,
> T
> 
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
> 
> On 1/1/2013 1:53 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> > Don't bother with  the CLI - I never do.  You can do everything you 
> > want/need  with phpMyAdmin.
> >
> > If you really want to check it out, go to your mySQL installation's 
> > binary
> directory and type
> > "mysql -h".   (Not sure what it will be with UwAMP,  but my WAMP was
> installed on my D
> > drive and the MySQL directory is: D:\wamp\bin\mysql\mysql5.5.20\bin).  
> > There's a tutorial on using mySQL.exe here: 
> > http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.5/en/mysql.html
> >
> > How the data is stored depends on which storage engine is used (msot 
> > likely InnoDB or myISAM for early versions).  To quote the manual:
> >
> > <quote>For new tables, MySQL always creates an .frm file to hold the 
> > table and column definitions. The table's index and data may be 
> > stored in one or more other files, depending on the storage engine. 
> > The server
> creates the .frm file above the storage engine level.
> > Individual storage engines create any additional files required for 
> > the tables that they manage</quote>. .
> >
> >
> >
> > On 1 Jan 2013 at 9:43, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> >
> >> I've been playing with MySQL, using UwAMP and phpMyAdmin to run 
> >> some tutorials.  I've also downloaded a huge MySQL reference manual 
> >> and have begun studying it.  Using the phpMyAdmin I have a WYSIWYG 
> >> interface for connecting to the localhost/mysql server to play 
> >> around.  The reference manual speaks of what looks like a command 
> >> line connection for invoking MySQL.  This one I don't follow.  How 
> >> do I invoke MySQL from the DOS window?  Where do I have to be?  How 
> >> do I make the connection that the phpMyAdmin seems to make so 
> >> easily?  Or, should I just wait until that part makes sense to me 
> >> and stick with the
> WYSIWYG interface for now?
> >>
> >> The database structure for MySQL seems to be that the database is a 
> >> folder and the database objects are separate files within that folder.
> >> Do I have that right?  That's the way the old dBase structure was, 
> >> if I recall correctly.
> >>
> >> I do appreciate the hand-holding, my friends.  There's so much to 
> >> learn in a short time!
> >>
> >> T
> >>
> >> Tina Norris Fields
> >> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> >> 231-322-2787
> >>
> >> On 12/29/2012 6:22 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> >>> Hi Guys,
> >>>
> >>> I've got two fairly straight-forward database projects coming up, 
> >>> that need to be available on the Web.
> >>>
> >>> One is of scanned images of soil erosion permit applications. 
> >>> People must apply for a soil erosion permit in Michigan if they 
> >>> are planning to do any tree cutting or earth modification within 
> >>> 100 feet of the state waters.  Lake associations realize the 
> >>> importance of monitoring such applications.  In order to make the 
> >>> records easily available, the county soil erosion officer wants to 
> >>> scan the permit applications and put the images online for the public to search.
> >>>
> >>> The second one is of data pertinent to streams that we monitor - 
> >>> macroinvertebrate inventory data, p H, temperature, clarity, etc., 
> >>> plus the GPS coordinates of the sites.
> >>>
> >>> I have never put a database online, and I could use some tutoring 
> >>> on how best to go about it.  The databases themselves don't look 
> >>> complicated, but putting stuff on the Web for search is new to me.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for all the good advice you will be giving me!
> >>>
> >>> T
> >>>
> >> --
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Tue Jan  1 22:23:21 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 20:23:21 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access Database on Web
In-Reply-To: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C89A8A2@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <50DF7B3D.5010907@torchlake.com>, <50E346E2.5080304@torchlake.com>,
	<009901cde861$ed0a4f40$c71eedc0$@cox.net>
	<50E36DA0.25601.AE9B05C0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF372C89A8A2@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <8DADCB10-8C59-41E7-B1FD-61C825C4D3DB@phulse.com>

Not really.

This quote from the article is where the meat of the matter is:

" Studying only active sites,  the changes in market share are reversed: Apache grew by 0.23 to 55.66%,  while Microsoft fell by 0.83 to 11.53%. Within the million busiest sites,  nginx was the only major developer to increase its market share,  which now stands at 12.22%. "

If you aren't within the million busiest sites, then your statistic is irrelevant and probably internet site spam or whatnot.

And what the stats shows here is clear: Microsoft is, as always, on the decline and Nginx is eating away at Apaches traditional dominance.

- Hans


On 2013-01-01, at 8:11 PM, "Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant)" <Benson at ge.com> wrote:

> I think you may conclude the same thing but to be clearer, http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2012/11/01/november-2012-web-server-survey.html  says  "Apache lost 2.0 million sites this month, whereas Microsoft gained 2.3 million"
> 
> Maybe Microsoft is making a comeback :-)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 6:14 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Database on Web
> 
> If you want avoid getting locked into a declining market, I'd go with *AMP.  
> 
> MS are down to around 16-17%  market share now on web  servers,
> 
> http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2012/11/01/november-2012-web-server-survey.html
> and
> http://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/web_server/all
> 
> 
> On 1 Jan 2013 at 12:52, Doug Murphy wrote:
> 
>> Hi Tina,
>> 
>> If you are familiar with the Microsoft environment I'd stick with SQL 
>> Server. There are many low cost web hosts, Arvixe for one, that offer 
>> SQL Server databases that are more than adequate for the type of web 
>> project your talking about. These companies use SQL Express but I have 
>> found no performance limitations. Possibly if you're talking thousands 
>> of hits per minute and gigs  of storage you might find the limits, but 
>> I haven't I we have some quite challenging stored procedures running on several of these.
>> You might also take a look at Microsoft LightSwitch for your 
>> development environment. The new version will publish to the desktop 
>> or web in HTML 5 so the apps will work on any phone or tablet.
>> 
>> My 2 cents worth.
>> 
>> Happy New Year.
>> 
>> Doug
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris 
>> Fields
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 12:28 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Database on Web
>> 
>> Thank you, Stuart.  For my own curiosity and understanding,I have to 
>> check that out.  But, I really appreciate the feedback that I can do 
>> the necessary with phpMyAdmin.  I hope this new year a joyous and 
>> prosperous one for you and your family.
>> Best,
>> T
>> 
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>> 231-322-2787
>> 
>> On 1/1/2013 1:53 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
>>> Don't bother with  the CLI - I never do.  You can do everything you 
>>> want/need  with phpMyAdmin.
>>> 
>>> If you really want to check it out, go to your mySQL installation's 
>>> binary
>> directory and type
>>> "mysql -h".   (Not sure what it will be with UwAMP,  but my WAMP was
>> installed on my D
>>> drive and the MySQL directory is: D:\wamp\bin\mysql\mysql5.5.20\bin).  
>>> There's a tutorial on using mySQL.exe here: 
>>> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.5/en/mysql.html
>>> 
>>> How the data is stored depends on which storage engine is used (msot 
>>> likely InnoDB or myISAM for early versions).  To quote the manual:
>>> 
>>> <quote>For new tables, MySQL always creates an .frm file to hold the 
>>> table and column definitions. The table's index and data may be 
>>> stored in one or more other files, depending on the storage engine. 
>>> The server
>> creates the .frm file above the storage engine level.
>>> Individual storage engines create any additional files required for 
>>> the tables that they manage</quote>. .
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 1 Jan 2013 at 9:43, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I've been playing with MySQL, using UwAMP and phpMyAdmin to run 
>>>> some tutorials.  I've also downloaded a huge MySQL reference manual 
>>>> and have begun studying it.  Using the phpMyAdmin I have a WYSIWYG 
>>>> interface for connecting to the localhost/mysql server to play 
>>>> around.  The reference manual speaks of what looks like a command 
>>>> line connection for invoking MySQL.  This one I don't follow.  How 
>>>> do I invoke MySQL from the DOS window?  Where do I have to be?  How 
>>>> do I make the connection that the phpMyAdmin seems to make so 
>>>> easily?  Or, should I just wait until that part makes sense to me 
>>>> and stick with the
>> WYSIWYG interface for now?
>>>> 
>>>> The database structure for MySQL seems to be that the database is a 
>>>> folder and the database objects are separate files within that folder.
>>>> Do I have that right?  That's the way the old dBase structure was, 
>>>> if I recall correctly.
>>>> 
>>>> I do appreciate the hand-holding, my friends.  There's so much to 
>>>> learn in a short time!
>>>> 
>>>> T
>>>> 
>>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>>>> 231-322-2787
>>>> 
>>>> On 12/29/2012 6:22 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>>>>> Hi Guys,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've got two fairly straight-forward database projects coming up, 
>>>>> that need to be available on the Web.
>>>>> 
>>>>> One is of scanned images of soil erosion permit applications. 
>>>>> People must apply for a soil erosion permit in Michigan if they 
>>>>> are planning to do any tree cutting or earth modification within 
>>>>> 100 feet of the state waters.  Lake associations realize the 
>>>>> importance of monitoring such applications.  In order to make the 
>>>>> records easily available, the county soil erosion officer wants to 
>>>>> scan the permit applications and put the images online for the public to search.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The second one is of data pertinent to streams that we monitor - 
>>>>> macroinvertebrate inventory data, p H, temperature, clarity, etc., 
>>>>> plus the GPS coordinates of the sites.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have never put a database online, and I could use some tutoring 
>>>>> on how best to go about it.  The databases themselves don't look 
>>>>> complicated, but putting stuff on the Web for search is new to me.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for all the good advice you will be giving me!
>>>>> 
>>>>> T
>>>>> 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Jan  1 23:00:54 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 15:00:54 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] State/County table part 2
In-Reply-To: <50E3A823.32130.AF7F94F8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAAODQ0vje3LNEkacAbslaa0MBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>,
	<50E3A823.32130.AF7F94F8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <50E3BF06.32132.AFD8FA22@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Oops, I forgot, you alos need:

Private Sub Form_Current()
MarrCounty.Requery
End Sub



On 2 Jan 2013 at 13:23, Stuart McLachlan wrote:

> That's better.  :-)
> 
> And incidentally, I just Compacted it and the 55Mb went down to 720KB.
> 
> Change the record source of MarrCounty to:
> 
> SELECT tblCounty.County, tblCounty.ID, tblCounty.tblState_ID FROM tblCounty WHERE 
> (((tblCounty.tblState_ID)=[Forms]![frmDataEntry]![MarrState])) ORDER BY 
> tblCounty.[County]; 
> 
> Add the following event procedure to MarrState:
> 
> Private Sub MarrState_AfterUpdate()
> MarrCounty = ""
> MarrCounty.Requery
> End Sub
> 
> 
> That will do it. 
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> 
> 
> On 1 Jan 2013 at 17:17, Kathryn Bassett wrote:
> 
> > > I would have downloaded it and answered your questions if you had zipped
> > it,
> > > but a 55MB download will just cost me too much time and money :-(
> > 
> > Sorry about that :)
> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/go98nfxsc15e2wl/MarriageIndex.zip
> > 
> > 
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> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> 
> 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Jan  1 23:48:04 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 15:48:04 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] State/County table part 2
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAABwxLYV5gfJNqOEx21HIcwEBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>
Message-ID: <50E3CA14.2274.B004297C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

frmDataEntry

-- 
Stuart

On 1 Jan 2013 at 19:36, Kathryn Bassett wrote:

> In which table, query or form? For some reason,  I can't find the place to
> change it in any of those.
> 
> Forgot about compacting.
> 
> Kathryn
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> > bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> > Sent: 01 Jan 2013 7:23 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] State/County table part 2
> > 
> > That's better.  :-)
> > 
> > And incidentally, I just Compacted it and the 55Mb went down to 720KB.
> > 
> > Change the record source of MarrCounty to:
> > 
> > SELECT tblCounty.County, tblCounty.ID, tblCounty.tblState_ID FROM
> tblCounty
> > WHERE
> > (((tblCounty.tblState_ID)=[Forms]![frmDataEntry]![MarrState])) ORDER BY
> > tblCounty.[County];
> > 
> > Add the following event procedure to MarrState:
> > 
> > Private Sub MarrState_AfterUpdate()
> > MarrCounty = ""
> > MarrCounty.Requery
> > End Sub
> > 
> > 
> > That will do it.
> > 
> > --
> > Stuart
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 1 Jan 2013 at 17:17, Kathryn Bassett wrote:
> > 
> > > > I would have downloaded it and answered your questions if you had
> zipped
> > > it,
> > > > but a 55MB download will just cost me too much time and money :-(
> > >
> > > Sorry about that :)
> > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/go98nfxsc15e2wl/MarriageIndex.zip
> > >
> > >
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> > >
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Jan  1 23:54:58 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 15:54:58 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] State/County table part 2
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAABwxLYV5gfJNqOEx21HIcwEBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>
Message-ID: <50E3CBB2.25857.B00A7A4A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Updated zip sent off-list.

-- 
Stuart

On 1 Jan 2013 at 19:36, Kathryn Bassett wrote:

> In which table, query or form? For some reason,  I can't find the place to
> change it in any of those.
> 
> Forgot about compacting.
> 
> Kathryn
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> > bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> > Sent: 01 Jan 2013 7:23 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] State/County table part 2
> > 
> > That's better.  :-)
> > 
> > And incidentally, I just Compacted it and the 55Mb went down to 720KB.
> > 
> > Change the record source of MarrCounty to:
> > 
> > SELECT tblCounty.County, tblCounty.ID, tblCounty.tblState_ID FROM
> tblCounty
> > WHERE
> > (((tblCounty.tblState_ID)=[Forms]![frmDataEntry]![MarrState])) ORDER BY
> > tblCounty.[County];
> > 
> > Add the following event procedure to MarrState:
> > 
> > Private Sub MarrState_AfterUpdate()
> > MarrCounty = ""
> > MarrCounty.Requery
> > End Sub
> > 
> > 
> > That will do it.
> > 
> > --
> > Stuart
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 1 Jan 2013 at 17:17, Kathryn Bassett wrote:
> > 
> > > > I would have downloaded it and answered your questions if you had
> zipped
> > > it,
> > > > but a 55MB download will just cost me too much time and money :-(
> > >
> > > Sorry about that :)
> > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/go98nfxsc15e2wl/MarriageIndex.zip
> > >
> > >
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From kathryn at bassett.net  Wed Jan  2 00:22:58 2013
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 22:22:58 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] State/County table part 2
In-Reply-To: <50E3CBB2.25857.B00A7A4A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAABwxLYV5gfJNqOEx21HIcwEBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>
	<50E3CBB2.25857.B00A7A4A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAAFbxsgD9w2hMjxnIBkMwtT0BAAAAAA==@bassett.net>

Thanks a bunch! And you managed to get the tables together, the queries
together, etc. 

I'll explore to see how/where all the changes you made. Meanwhile, one last
question. I know there is a way to hide the numbers in the county dropdown.
Refresh my memory on where I do that?

--
Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net?? 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: 01 Jan 2013 9:55 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] State/County table part 2
> 
> Updated zip sent off-list.



From kathryn at bassett.net  Wed Jan  2 00:25:39 2013
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 22:25:39 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] State/County table part 2
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References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAABwxLYV5gfJNqOEx21HIcwEBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>	<50E3CBB2.25857.B00A7A4A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAAFbxsgD9w2hMjxnIBkMwtT0BAAAAAA==@bassett.net>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAAE8pb5cOz9hLhSsa3zWrg9kBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>

Nevermind, I found it!
Kathryn

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn Bassett
> Sent: 01 Jan 2013 10:23 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] State/County table part 2
> 
> Thanks a bunch! And you managed to get the tables together, the queries
> together, etc.
> 
> I'll explore to see how/where all the changes you made. Meanwhile, one
last
> question. I know there is a way to hide the numbers in the county
dropdown.
> Refresh my memory on where I do that?
> 
> --
> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> > bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> > Sent: 01 Jan 2013 9:55 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] State/County table part 2
> >
> > Updated zip sent off-list.
> 
> 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Jan  2 02:33:28 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 09:33:28 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access Database on Web
Message-ID: <002601cde8c3$d7100330$85300990$@cactus.dk>

Hi Tina

I've followed this thread loosely as I've found no easy and cheap way to
move from Access desktop apps to web based apps.

Inspired by Shamil I picked up Visual Studio at version 2005, now 2012, and
- as my son-in-law then predicted: You will never look back.
This is not an easy route but tutorials, videos, guides, and help is easy to
find as VS is so widely used. Though, of course, SQL Server is native to it,
it will work with most major database engines including MySQL - I can add
that I helped Fernando, the chief developer of the MySQL Connector, to sort
out a bug which prevented a connection to databases with the old user access
verification.

However, the database is only a part of a project and I don't quite get why
so much discussion has been about administrating it. As Doug mentioned, one
option for a case like yours is using LightSwitch. Formerly it created
SilverLight apps only, but now HTML5 has been added:

http://www.devproconnections.com/article/visualstudiolightswitch/visual-stud
io-2012-lightswitch-144815
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/lightswitch/archive/2012/09/13/visual-studio-2012-la
unch-building-business-apps-with-lightswitch-joe-binder.aspx

You will need VS 2012 Professional which you can obtain as a part of the
MAPS Developer subscription.

Hosting of LightSwitch apps is available at numerous hosting providers. Here
I have two small apps hosted at a top-notch provider at extremely low cost.
Even so, support is prompt and responsive:

http://en.unoeuro.com/

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Stuart McLachlan
Sendt: 2. januar 2013 00:14
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Access Database on Web

If you want avoid getting locked into a declining market, I'd go with *AMP.


MS are down to around 16-17%  market share now on web  servers,

http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2012/11/01/november-2012-web-server-survey
.html
and
http://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/web_server/all


On 1 Jan 2013 at 12:52, Doug Murphy wrote:

> Hi Tina,
> 
> If you are familiar with the Microsoft environment I'd stick with SQL 
> Server. There are many low cost web hosts, Arvixe for one, that offer 
> SQL Server databases that are more than adequate for the type of web 
> project your talking about. These companies use SQL Express but I have 
> found no performance limitations. Possibly if you're talking thousands 
> of hits per minute and gigs  of storage you might find the limits, but 
> I haven't I we have some quite challenging stored procedures running on
several of these.
> You might also take a look at Microsoft LightSwitch for your 
> development environment. The new version will publish to the desktop 
> or web in HTML 5 so the apps will work on any phone or tablet.
> 
> My 2 cents worth.
> 
> Happy New Year.
> 
> Doug 



From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Jan  2 13:02:53 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 11:02:53 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access Database on Web
In-Reply-To: <002601cde8c3$d7100330$85300990$@cactus.dk>
References: <002601cde8c3$d7100330$85300990$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <5383953CEEE04764BCABEACE552BFCF0@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Guys:

If the number of options and databases available ever get confusing check
out the following graphs and these should answer all your questions. ;-)

http://gigaom2.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/databaselandscape.jpg

...and...

http://gigaom2.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/olderdblandscape.jpg

The over-view article is:
http://gigaom.com/cloud/confused-by-the-glut-of-new-databases-heres-a-map-fo
r-you/

I have been working with ancient Informix for the last little while and even
some MS Access. One of the subjects that would also be interesting would be
to follow which DB forked from another. I.E. MariaDB forked from MySQL, MS
SQL decended from Sybase or MS Access morphed from Foxbase. There are no
Databases that did not spawn from a previous progenitor and whether the
offspring are better is always debatable.

Jim  


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 12:33 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Database on Web

Hi Tina

I've followed this thread loosely as I've found no easy and cheap way to
move from Access desktop apps to web based apps.

Inspired by Shamil I picked up Visual Studio at version 2005, now 2012, and
- as my son-in-law then predicted: You will never look back.
This is not an easy route but tutorials, videos, guides, and help is easy to
find as VS is so widely used. Though, of course, SQL Server is native to it,
it will work with most major database engines including MySQL - I can add
that I helped Fernando, the chief developer of the MySQL Connector, to sort
out a bug which prevented a connection to databases with the old user access
verification.

However, the database is only a part of a project and I don't quite get why
so much discussion has been about administrating it. As Doug mentioned, one
option for a case like yours is using LightSwitch. Formerly it created
SilverLight apps only, but now HTML5 has been added:

http://www.devproconnections.com/article/visualstudiolightswitch/visual-stud
io-2012-lightswitch-144815
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/lightswitch/archive/2012/09/13/visual-studio-2012-la
unch-building-business-apps-with-lightswitch-joe-binder.aspx

You will need VS 2012 Professional which you can obtain as a part of the
MAPS Developer subscription.

Hosting of LightSwitch apps is available at numerous hosting providers. Here
I have two small apps hosted at a top-notch provider at extremely low cost.
Even so, support is prompt and responsive:

http://en.unoeuro.com/

/gustav

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Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Stuart McLachlan
Sendt: 2. januar 2013 00:14
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Access Database on Web

If you want avoid getting locked into a declining market, I'd go with *AMP.


MS are down to around 16-17%  market share now on web  servers,

http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2012/11/01/november-2012-web-server-survey
.html
and
http://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/web_server/all


On 1 Jan 2013 at 12:52, Doug Murphy wrote:

> Hi Tina,
> 
> If you are familiar with the Microsoft environment I'd stick with SQL 
> Server. There are many low cost web hosts, Arvixe for one, that offer 
> SQL Server databases that are more than adequate for the type of web 
> project your talking about. These companies use SQL Express but I have 
> found no performance limitations. Possibly if you're talking thousands 
> of hits per minute and gigs  of storage you might find the limits, but 
> I haven't I we have some quite challenging stored procedures running on
several of these.
> You might also take a look at Microsoft LightSwitch for your 
> development environment. The new version will publish to the desktop 
> or web in HTML 5 so the apps will work on any phone or tablet.
> 
> My 2 cents worth.
> 
> Happy New Year.
> 
> Doug 


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From kathryn at bassett.net  Wed Jan  2 13:33:03 2013
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 11:33:03 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] State/County table part 3
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAADMhAPfxLqBCgMT/KQp9ElYBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xafzeh21sj6fyxu/MarriageIndex.accdb

Question about date entries.

I have to figure out how to enter just a year in the date field so we can
put "2nd month, 9th day" in the notes when Quaker marriage dates are
encountered. If it's possible, I want to be able to enter 1850 in the date
field and have it take.

Is this possible or do I need to leave it blank and put "1850, 2nd month,
9th day" in the notes instead?


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From garykjos at gmail.com  Wed Jan  2 13:42:03 2013
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 13:42:03 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] State/County table part 3
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAADMhAPfxLqBCgMT/KQp9ElYBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAADMhAPfxLqBCgMT/KQp9ElYBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pLfGSOPcaqRzQU7kMh5wAH10WpdG2Qp-i9HNSSvOrMCUQ@mail.gmail.com>

If it's defined as a date field it will have to have a month and a
day. Date fields are actually a number containing a number of days
from a starting number with the decimal portion indicating a number of
fractional moments of a day for the time. Perhaps you need to use a
text field instead of a true date format field?

GK

On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Kathryn Bassett <kathryn at bassett.net> wrote:
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/xafzeh21sj6fyxu/MarriageIndex.accdb
>
> Question about date entries.
>
> I have to figure out how to enter just a year in the date field so we can
> put "2nd month, 9th day" in the notes when Quaker marriage dates are
> encountered. If it's possible, I want to be able to enter 1850 in the date
> field and have it take.
>
> Is this possible or do I need to leave it blank and put "1850, 2nd month,
> 9th day" in the notes instead?
>
>
> --
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> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net
>
>
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Wed Jan  2 14:16:23 2013
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 15:16:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] State/County table part 2
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YfCgAAAEAAAAJMMHZTZuWxJqTfgRi0VKfYBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YfCgAAAEAAAAJMMHZTZuWxJqTfgRi0VKfYBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>
Message-ID: <50E49597.40501@torchlake.com>

Hi Kathryn,

As  this database appears to be for marriages from a long time ago, the 
counties of today will not match the counties of yesteryear.  For 
instance, in Michigan, counties such as Antrim and Kalkaska used to be 
part of Grand Traverse County.  If that distinction is going to matter 
to you, you may want to look into the history of the counties in the 
states you are working with, too.

T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787

On 1/1/2013 7:29 PM, Kathryn Bassett wrote:
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/xafzeh21sj6fyxu/MarriageIndex.accdb
> In case this makes a difference overall, I'm using 2010, but need to make
> sure the database will work on 2007. So do I need to do something to that
> end? I'm thinking the extension needs to be .mdb? My friend was able to open
> it to look at it, but that doesn't mean there isn't something else that may
> crop up.
>
> On to my question. Take a look at frmDataEntry. The dropdown for State
> works, but how does the data entry person know which County to use? For
> instance, there's Adams counties in several different states.
>
> Feel free to change the form or whatever underlying thing that needs
> changing to make it work if you have a way to send it back. But since it's
> large, you may not be able to do that. If that's the case, tell me step by
> step what I need to do to get it working. Screen captures off list (since
> list is text only) would work to show me things that are harder to describe.
>
> Thanks for the help!
>
> --
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> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net
>
>
>
>
>


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Jan  2 15:48:33 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 07:48:33 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] State/County table part 3
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAADMhAPfxLqBCgMT/KQp9ElYBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAADMhAPfxLqBCgMT/KQp9ElYBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>
Message-ID: <50E4AB31.3926.B37381FA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

What's wrong with 2-9-1850 and a note that this is a "Quaker date".


On 2 Jan 2013 at 11:33, Kathryn Bassett wrote:

> https://www.dropbox.com/s/xafzeh21sj6fyxu/MarriageIndex.accdb
> 
> Question about date entries.
> 
> I have to figure out how to enter just a year in the date field so we can
> put "2nd month, 9th day" in the notes when Quaker marriage dates are
> encountered. If it's possible, I want to be able to enter 1850 in the date
> field and have it take.
> 
> Is this possible or do I need to leave it blank and put "1850, 2nd month,
> 9th day" in the notes instead?
> 
> 
> --
> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net?? 
> 
> 
> 
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From kathryn at bassett.net  Wed Jan  2 17:02:15 2013
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 15:02:15 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] State/County table part 3
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pLfGSOPcaqRzQU7kMh5wAH10WpdG2Qp-i9HNSSvOrMCUQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAADMhAPfxLqBCgMT/KQp9ElYBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>
	<CAJ2R_pLfGSOPcaqRzQU7kMh5wAH10WpdG2Qp-i9HNSSvOrMCUQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAAFY9iANJq1BNjADfECPiHLEBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>

Stuart said:
> If it's defined as a date field it will have to have a month and a day.
Date fields
> are actually a number containing a number of days from a starting number
> with the decimal portion indicating a number of fractional moments of a
day
> for the time. Perhaps you need to use a text field instead of a true date
format
> field?

Better to have the entire thing in the note so that people do their own
conversion. Neophyte genealogists don't know that the 2nd month is April.
Even experienced people don't know if the date has already been converted.
Like "is 9 Feb 1850 the converted date or the Quaker date (which would be
the 12th month)"? I suspected that just the year would be problematic since
what you describe is the way it works in a spreadsheet. So I think I'll just
leave the date field empty, and only put it in the notes.

Tina said:
> As  this database appears to be for marriages from a long time ago, the
> counties of today will not match the counties of yesteryear.  For
instance, in
> Michigan, counties such as Antrim and Kalkaska used to be part of Grand
> Traverse County.  If that distinction is going to matter to you, you may
want to
> look into the history of the counties in the states you are working with,
too.

Not an issue as the paper index is what the county was at the time of the
marriage. This will ultimately be an ebook and the explanations will be in
the introduction, as to which counties to find the records. This is a
collection of marriages my friend has collected through the years in various
states. She will make the ebook for purchase for a nominal sum, then if they
find the person they want, they can purchase a copy of the document. She has
hundreds of them.

Gary said:
> If it's defined as a date field it will have to have a month and a day.
Date fields
> are actually a number containing a number of days from a starting number
> with the decimal portion indicating a number of fractional moments of a
day
> for the time. Perhaps you need to use a text field instead of a true date
format
> field?

Won't work because we will also be wanting to sort by date. At least leaving
it empty will sort all the Quaker dates at the beginning.

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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu Jan  3 09:35:47 2013
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 15:35:47 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Criteria Help in Query
In-Reply-To: <50D3771F.6627.704052AF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB071795B8@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>
	<50D3771F.6627.704052AF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB0717BAAC@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>

Thanks for the suggestions and explanation.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 2:38 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Criteria Help in Query

Try putting brckets around your OR clauses:

WHERE (((dbo_DSS_WellTests.PID)=[T2].[PID]) AND ((dbo_DSS_WellTests.Testdate)=[MaxofTestDate])
AND (
((dbo_DSS_WellTests.Test_Oil)>0)) OR (((dbo_DSS_WellTests.Test_HCGas)>0)) OR (((dbo_DSS_WellTests.Test_Wtrp)>0))
 )
ORDER BY dbo_DSS_WellTests.Well_Name;

Currently your indivuals ORs are "overriding":the previous AND conditions so you are getting a huge number of records.

--
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On 20 Dec 2012 at 14:58, Kaup, Chester wrote:

> I have the following query that works fine. I need to return only 
> records where Test_Oil >0 or Test_HCGas>0 or Test_Wtrp >0. When I add 
> these criteria to the query it runs and runs but never completes. Is 
> there a better way to do this? 2 queries maybe?
> 

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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu Jan  3 09:41:20 2013
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 15:41:20 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Error in from clause
Message-ID: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB0717BAB8@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>

The following query is giving me an error in from clause message. It highlights the > in the where statement. The subquery works ok on its own. What am I missing? Thanks.

SELECT t1.PID, Left([t1.PID],10) AS API10, t1.Completion_Name, WellStatus([Status]) AS StatusShort, CDate(Int([StatusDate])) AS Status_Date
FROM dbo_DSS_StatusChanges  AS t1 INNER JOIN
(SELECT DISTINCT PID,
CDate(INT(StatusDate)),
min(StatusDate) AS lastdatetime
FROM dbo_DSS_StatusChanges
WHERE t1.StatusDate)>CDate([Allocation_Stats]![DateLast_S]
GROUP BY PID, CDate(INT(StatusDate)))  AS t2 ON (t1.PID = t2.PID) AND (t1.StatusDate = t2.lastdatetime);

From jeff.developer at gmail.com  Thu Jan  3 09:43:28 2013
From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff B)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 09:43:28 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Error in from clause
In-Reply-To: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB0717BAB8@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB0717BAB8@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <004201cde9c9$143f6650$3cbe32f0$@gmail.com>

Right off the bat, I'd say look at your WHERE statement, you are missing an
opening ( and a closing )

WHERE   HERE > t1.StatusDate)>CDate([Allocation_Stats]![DateLast_S]  <HERE

Jeff Barrows
MCP, MCAD, MCSD
?
Outbak Technologies, LLC
Racine, WI
jeff.developer at gmail.com

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Error in from clause

The following query is giving me an error in from clause message. It
highlights the > in the where statement. The subquery works ok on its own.
What am I missing? Thanks.

SELECT t1.PID, Left([t1.PID],10) AS API10, t1.Completion_Name,
WellStatus([Status]) AS StatusShort, CDate(Int([StatusDate])) AS Status_Date
FROM dbo_DSS_StatusChanges  AS t1 INNER JOIN (SELECT DISTINCT PID,
CDate(INT(StatusDate)),
min(StatusDate) AS lastdatetime
FROM dbo_DSS_StatusChanges
WHERE t1.StatusDate)>CDate([Allocation_Stats]![DateLast_S]
GROUP BY PID, CDate(INT(StatusDate)))  AS t2 ON (t1.PID = t2.PID) AND
(t1.StatusDate = t2.lastdatetime);
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From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Thu Jan  3 09:49:45 2013
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 15:49:45 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Error in from clause
In-Reply-To: <004201cde9c9$143f6650$3cbe32f0$@gmail.com>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB0717BAB8@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>
	<004201cde9c9$143f6650$3cbe32f0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALGJE95AHuao5LOAuQ598=s7V+PMa3J0rsd52qOSc1yxDL2F2A@mail.gmail.com>

Was just replying exactly the same

On 3 January 2013 15:43, Jeff B <jeff.developer at gmail.com> wrote:

> Right off the bat, I'd say look at your WHERE statement, you are missing an
> opening ( and a closing )
>
> WHERE   HERE > t1.StatusDate)>CDate([Allocation_Stats]![DateLast_S]  <HERE
>
> Jeff Barrows
> MCP, MCAD, MCSD
>
> Outbak Technologies, LLC
> Racine, WI
> jeff.developer at gmail.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:41 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Error in from clause
>
> The following query is giving me an error in from clause message. It
> highlights the > in the where statement. The subquery works ok on its own.
> What am I missing? Thanks.
>
> SELECT t1.PID, Left([t1.PID],10) AS API10, t1.Completion_Name,
> WellStatus([Status]) AS StatusShort, CDate(Int([StatusDate])) AS
> Status_Date
> FROM dbo_DSS_StatusChanges  AS t1 INNER JOIN (SELECT DISTINCT PID,
> CDate(INT(StatusDate)),
> min(StatusDate) AS lastdatetime
> FROM dbo_DSS_StatusChanges
> WHERE t1.StatusDate)>CDate([Allocation_Stats]![DateLast_S]
> GROUP BY PID, CDate(INT(StatusDate)))  AS t2 ON (t1.PID = t2.PID) AND
> (t1.StatusDate = t2.lastdatetime);
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu Jan  3 09:52:55 2013
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 15:52:55 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Error in from clause
In-Reply-To: <004201cde9c9$143f6650$3cbe32f0$@gmail.com>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB0717BAB8@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>
	<004201cde9c9$143f6650$3cbe32f0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB0717BB0D@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>

Unfortunately I am still getting the error with the ( )

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeff B
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error in from clause

Right off the bat, I'd say look at your WHERE statement, you are missing an opening ( and a closing )

WHERE   HERE > t1.StatusDate)>CDate([Allocation_Stats]![DateLast_S]  <HERE

Jeff Barrows
MCP, MCAD, MCSD
?
Outbak Technologies, LLC
Racine, WI
jeff.developer at gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Error in from clause

The following query is giving me an error in from clause message. It highlights the > in the where statement. The subquery works ok on its own.
What am I missing? Thanks.

SELECT t1.PID, Left([t1.PID],10) AS API10, t1.Completion_Name,
WellStatus([Status]) AS StatusShort, CDate(Int([StatusDate])) AS Status_Date FROM dbo_DSS_StatusChanges  AS t1 INNER JOIN (SELECT DISTINCT PID, CDate(INT(StatusDate)),
min(StatusDate) AS lastdatetime
FROM dbo_DSS_StatusChanges
WHERE t1.StatusDate)>CDate([Allocation_Stats]![DateLast_S]
GROUP BY PID, CDate(INT(StatusDate)))  AS t2 ON (t1.PID = t2.PID) AND (t1.StatusDate = t2.lastdatetime);
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From jeff.developer at gmail.com  Thu Jan  3 09:54:54 2013
From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff B)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 09:54:54 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Error in from clause
In-Reply-To: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB0717BB0D@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB0717BAB8@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>	<004201cde9c9$143f6650$3cbe32f0$@gmail.com>
	<8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB0717BB0D@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <004901cde9ca$ad5d4950$0817dbf0$@gmail.com>

It also looks like you have 2 FROM statements:

SELECT t1.PID, Left([t1.PID],10) AS API10, t1.Completion_Name,
WellStatus([Status]) AS StatusShort, CDate(Int([StatusDate])) AS Status_Date
>>>>>FROM dbo_DSS_StatusChanges  AS t1 INNER JOIN (SELECT DISTINCT PID,
CDate(INT(StatusDate)),
min(StatusDate) AS lastdatetime<<<<<
FROM dbo_DSS_StatusChanges
WHERE t1.StatusDate)>CDate([Allocation_Stats]![DateLast_S]
GROUP BY PID, CDate(INT(StatusDate)))  AS t2 ON (t1.PID = t2.PID) AND
(t1.StatusDate = t2.lastdatetime);

Jeff Barrows
MCP, MCAD, MCSD
?
Outbak Technologies, LLC
Racine, WI
jeff.developer at gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error in from clause

Unfortunately I am still getting the error with the ( )

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeff B
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error in from clause

Right off the bat, I'd say look at your WHERE statement, you are missing an
opening ( and a closing )

WHERE   HERE > t1.StatusDate)>CDate([Allocation_Stats]![DateLast_S]  <HERE

Jeff Barrows
MCP, MCAD, MCSD
?
Outbak Technologies, LLC
Racine, WI
jeff.developer at gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Error in from clause

The following query is giving me an error in from clause message. It
highlights the > in the where statement. The subquery works ok on its own.
What am I missing? Thanks.

SELECT t1.PID, Left([t1.PID],10) AS API10, t1.Completion_Name,
WellStatus([Status]) AS StatusShort, CDate(Int([StatusDate])) AS Status_Date
FROM dbo_DSS_StatusChanges  AS t1 INNER JOIN (SELECT DISTINCT PID,
CDate(INT(StatusDate)),
min(StatusDate) AS lastdatetime
FROM dbo_DSS_StatusChanges
WHERE t1.StatusDate)>CDate([Allocation_Stats]![DateLast_S]
GROUP BY PID, CDate(INT(StatusDate)))  AS t2 ON (t1.PID = t2.PID) AND
(t1.StatusDate = t2.lastdatetime);
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu Jan  3 09:59:07 2013
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 15:59:07 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Error in from clause
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	<004201cde9c9$143f6650$3cbe32f0$@gmail.com>
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Upon further examination the error in from clause now highlights GROUP. 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hartland
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:50 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error in from clause

Was just replying exactly the same

On 3 January 2013 15:43, Jeff B <jeff.developer at gmail.com> wrote:

> Right off the bat, I'd say look at your WHERE statement, you are 
> missing an opening ( and a closing )
>
> WHERE   HERE > t1.StatusDate)>CDate([Allocation_Stats]![DateLast_S]  <HERE
>
> Jeff Barrows
> MCP, MCAD, MCSD
>
> Outbak Technologies, LLC
> Racine, WI
> jeff.developer at gmail.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, 
> Chester
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:41 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Error in from clause
>
> The following query is giving me an error in from clause message. It 
> highlights the > in the where statement. The subquery works ok on its own.
> What am I missing? Thanks.
>
> SELECT t1.PID, Left([t1.PID],10) AS API10, t1.Completion_Name,
> WellStatus([Status]) AS StatusShort, CDate(Int([StatusDate])) AS 
> Status_Date FROM dbo_DSS_StatusChanges  AS t1 INNER JOIN (SELECT 
> DISTINCT PID, CDate(INT(StatusDate)),
> min(StatusDate) AS lastdatetime
> FROM dbo_DSS_StatusChanges
> WHERE t1.StatusDate)>CDate([Allocation_Stats]![DateLast_S]
> GROUP BY PID, CDate(INT(StatusDate)))  AS t2 ON (t1.PID = t2.PID) AND 
> (t1.StatusDate = t2.lastdatetime);
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From jeff.developer at gmail.com  Thu Jan  3 10:02:01 2013
From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff B)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 10:02:01 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Error in from clause
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Check your Group statement, extra ) :

> GROUP BY PID, CDate(INT(StatusDate)))<<<<<  AS t2 ON (t1.PID = t2.PID) AND

Jeff Barrows
MCP, MCAD, MCSD
?
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error in from clause

Upon further examination the error in from clause now highlights GROUP. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hartland
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:50 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error in from clause

Was just replying exactly the same

On 3 January 2013 15:43, Jeff B <jeff.developer at gmail.com> wrote:

> Right off the bat, I'd say look at your WHERE statement, you are 
> missing an opening ( and a closing )
>
> WHERE   HERE > t1.StatusDate)>CDate([Allocation_Stats]![DateLast_S]  <HERE
>
> Jeff Barrows
> MCP, MCAD, MCSD
>
> Outbak Technologies, LLC
> Racine, WI
> jeff.developer at gmail.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, 
> Chester
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:41 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Error in from clause
>
> The following query is giving me an error in from clause message. It 
> highlights the > in the where statement. The subquery works ok on its own.
> What am I missing? Thanks.
>
> SELECT t1.PID, Left([t1.PID],10) AS API10, t1.Completion_Name,
> WellStatus([Status]) AS StatusShort, CDate(Int([StatusDate])) AS 
> Status_Date FROM dbo_DSS_StatusChanges  AS t1 INNER JOIN (SELECT 
> DISTINCT PID, CDate(INT(StatusDate)),
> min(StatusDate) AS lastdatetime
> FROM dbo_DSS_StatusChanges
> WHERE t1.StatusDate)>CDate([Allocation_Stats]![DateLast_S]
> GROUP BY PID, CDate(INT(StatusDate)))  AS t2 ON (t1.PID = t2.PID) AND 
> (t1.StatusDate = t2.lastdatetime);
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu Jan  3 10:10:23 2013
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 16:10:23 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Error in from clause
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	<004201cde9c9$143f6650$3cbe32f0$@gmail.com>
	<8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB0717BB0D@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>
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Don't both the query and subquery each need a from statement or am I wrong?

This is the query I had previously done before I determined I was using the wrong source table

SELECT t1.PID, Left([t1.PID],10) AS API10, t1.Completion_Name, WellStatus([Status]) AS StatusShort, CDate(Int([StatusDate])) AS Status_Date
FROM dbo_DSS_LastStatus AS t1 
INNER JOIN 
(SELECT DISTINCT PID, CDate(INT(StatusDate)), max(StatusDate) AS lastdatetime FROM dbo_DSS_LastStatus GROUP BY PID, CDate(INT(StatusDate)))  AS t2 
ON (t1.PID = t2.PID) AND (t1.StatusDate = t2.lastdatetime);

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeff B
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:55 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error in from clause

It also looks like you have 2 FROM statements:

SELECT t1.PID, Left([t1.PID],10) AS API10, t1.Completion_Name,
WellStatus([Status]) AS StatusShort, CDate(Int([StatusDate])) AS Status_Date
>>>>>FROM dbo_DSS_StatusChanges  AS t1 INNER JOIN (SELECT DISTINCT PID,
CDate(INT(StatusDate)),
min(StatusDate) AS lastdatetime<<<<<
FROM dbo_DSS_StatusChanges
WHERE t1.StatusDate)>CDate([Allocation_Stats]![DateLast_S]
GROUP BY PID, CDate(INT(StatusDate)))  AS t2 ON (t1.PID = t2.PID) AND (t1.StatusDate = t2.lastdatetime);

Jeff Barrows
MCP, MCAD, MCSD
?
Outbak Technologies, LLC
Racine, WI
jeff.developer at gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error in from clause

Unfortunately I am still getting the error with the ( )

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeff B
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error in from clause

Right off the bat, I'd say look at your WHERE statement, you are missing an opening ( and a closing )

WHERE   HERE > t1.StatusDate)>CDate([Allocation_Stats]![DateLast_S]  <HERE

Jeff Barrows
MCP, MCAD, MCSD
?
Outbak Technologies, LLC
Racine, WI
jeff.developer at gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Error in from clause

The following query is giving me an error in from clause message. It highlights the > in the where statement. The subquery works ok on its own.
What am I missing? Thanks.

SELECT t1.PID, Left([t1.PID],10) AS API10, t1.Completion_Name,
WellStatus([Status]) AS StatusShort, CDate(Int([StatusDate])) AS Status_Date FROM dbo_DSS_StatusChanges  AS t1 INNER JOIN (SELECT DISTINCT PID, CDate(INT(StatusDate)),
min(StatusDate) AS lastdatetime
FROM dbo_DSS_StatusChanges
WHERE t1.StatusDate)>CDate([Allocation_Stats]![DateLast_S]
GROUP BY PID, CDate(INT(StatusDate)))  AS t2 ON (t1.PID = t2.PID) AND (t1.StatusDate = t2.lastdatetime);
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu Jan  3 10:16:02 2013
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 16:16:02 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Error in from clause
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	<004201cde9c9$143f6650$3cbe32f0$@gmail.com>
	<CALGJE95AHuao5LOAuQ598=s7V+PMa3J0rsd52qOSc1yxDL2F2A@mail.gmail.com>
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If I am counting my ) correctly the third ) ties back to the one in front of SELECT at the start of the subquery. Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 10:02 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error in from clause

Check your Group statement, extra ) :

> GROUP BY PID, CDate(INT(StatusDate)))<<<<<  AS t2 ON (t1.PID = t2.PID) 
> AND

Jeff Barrows
MCP, MCAD, MCSD
?
Outbak Technologies, LLC
Racine, WI
jeff.developer at gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error in from clause

Upon further examination the error in from clause now highlights GROUP. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hartland
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:50 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error in from clause

Was just replying exactly the same

On 3 January 2013 15:43, Jeff B <jeff.developer at gmail.com> wrote:

> Right off the bat, I'd say look at your WHERE statement, you are 
> missing an opening ( and a closing )
>
> WHERE   HERE > t1.StatusDate)>CDate([Allocation_Stats]![DateLast_S]  <HERE
>
> Jeff Barrows
> MCP, MCAD, MCSD
>
> Outbak Technologies, LLC
> Racine, WI
> jeff.developer at gmail.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, 
> Chester
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:41 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Error in from clause
>
> The following query is giving me an error in from clause message. It 
> highlights the > in the where statement. The subquery works ok on its own.
> What am I missing? Thanks.
>
> SELECT t1.PID, Left([t1.PID],10) AS API10, t1.Completion_Name,
> WellStatus([Status]) AS StatusShort, CDate(Int([StatusDate])) AS 
> Status_Date FROM dbo_DSS_StatusChanges  AS t1 INNER JOIN (SELECT 
> DISTINCT PID, CDate(INT(StatusDate)),
> min(StatusDate) AS lastdatetime
> FROM dbo_DSS_StatusChanges
> WHERE t1.StatusDate)>CDate([Allocation_Stats]![DateLast_S]
> GROUP BY PID, CDate(INT(StatusDate)))  AS t2 ON (t1.PID = t2.PID) AND 
> (t1.StatusDate = t2.lastdatetime);
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From jeff.developer at gmail.com  Thu Jan  3 10:15:08 2013
From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff B)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 10:15:08 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Error in from clause
In-Reply-To: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB0717BB5C@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>
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Sorry, didn?t realize you had a subquery in there

Jeff Barrows
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?
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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 10:10 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error in from clause

Don't both the query and subquery each need a from statement or am I wrong?

This is the query I had previously done before I determined I was using the
wrong source table

SELECT t1.PID, Left([t1.PID],10) AS API10, t1.Completion_Name,
WellStatus([Status]) AS StatusShort, CDate(Int([StatusDate])) AS Status_Date
FROM dbo_DSS_LastStatus AS t1 INNER JOIN (SELECT DISTINCT PID,
CDate(INT(StatusDate)), max(StatusDate) AS lastdatetime FROM
dbo_DSS_LastStatus GROUP BY PID, CDate(INT(StatusDate)))  AS t2 ON (t1.PID =
t2.PID) AND (t1.StatusDate = t2.lastdatetime);

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeff B
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:55 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error in from clause

It also looks like you have 2 FROM statements:

SELECT t1.PID, Left([t1.PID],10) AS API10, t1.Completion_Name,
WellStatus([Status]) AS StatusShort, CDate(Int([StatusDate])) AS Status_Date
>>>>>FROM dbo_DSS_StatusChanges  AS t1 INNER JOIN (SELECT DISTINCT PID,
CDate(INT(StatusDate)),
min(StatusDate) AS lastdatetime<<<<<
FROM dbo_DSS_StatusChanges
WHERE t1.StatusDate)>CDate([Allocation_Stats]![DateLast_S]
GROUP BY PID, CDate(INT(StatusDate)))  AS t2 ON (t1.PID = t2.PID) AND
(t1.StatusDate = t2.lastdatetime);

Jeff Barrows
MCP, MCAD, MCSD
?
Outbak Technologies, LLC
Racine, WI
jeff.developer at gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error in from clause

Unfortunately I am still getting the error with the ( )

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeff B
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error in from clause

Right off the bat, I'd say look at your WHERE statement, you are missing an
opening ( and a closing )

WHERE   HERE > t1.StatusDate)>CDate([Allocation_Stats]![DateLast_S]  <HERE

Jeff Barrows
MCP, MCAD, MCSD
?
Outbak Technologies, LLC
Racine, WI
jeff.developer at gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Error in from clause

The following query is giving me an error in from clause message. It
highlights the > in the where statement. The subquery works ok on its own.
What am I missing? Thanks.

SELECT t1.PID, Left([t1.PID],10) AS API10, t1.Completion_Name,
WellStatus([Status]) AS StatusShort, CDate(Int([StatusDate])) AS Status_Date
FROM dbo_DSS_StatusChanges  AS t1 INNER JOIN (SELECT DISTINCT PID,
CDate(INT(StatusDate)),
min(StatusDate) AS lastdatetime
FROM dbo_DSS_StatusChanges
WHERE t1.StatusDate)>CDate([Allocation_Stats]![DateLast_S]
GROUP BY PID, CDate(INT(StatusDate)))  AS t2 ON (t1.PID = t2.PID) AND
(t1.StatusDate = t2.lastdatetime);
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From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Thu Jan  3 10:26:56 2013
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 16:26:56 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Error in from clause
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References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB0717BAB8@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>
	<004201cde9c9$143f6650$3cbe32f0$@gmail.com>
	<8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB0717BB0D@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>
	<004901cde9ca$ad5d4950$0817dbf0$@gmail.com>
	<8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB0717BB5C@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>
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try this quick (not tested) slightly modifed one

SELECT t1.PID, Left([t1.PID],10) AS API10, t1.Completion_Name,
WellStatus([Status]) AS StatusShort, CDate(Int([StatusDate])) AS
Status_Date
FROM dbo_DSS_StatusChanges  AS t1
INNER JOIN
(
SELECT DISTINCT PID, CDate(INT(StatusDate)), min(StatusDate) AS
lastdatetime
FROM dbo_DSS_StatusChanges
WHERE (t1.StatusDate)>CDate([Allocation_Stats]![DateLast_S])
GROUP BY PID, CDate(INT(StatusDate)))  AS t2
ON (t1.PID = t2.PID) AND (t1.Status_Date = t2.lastdatetime);

Paul

On 3 January 2013 16:15, Jeff B <jeff.developer at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sorry, didn?t realize you had a subquery in there
>
> Jeff Barrows
> MCP, MCAD, MCSD
>
> Outbak Technologies, LLC
> Racine, WI
> jeff.developer at gmail.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 10:10 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error in from clause
>
> Don't both the query and subquery each need a from statement or am I wrong?
>
> This is the query I had previously done before I determined I was using the
> wrong source table
>
> SELECT t1.PID, Left([t1.PID],10) AS API10, t1.Completion_Name,
> WellStatus([Status]) AS StatusShort, CDate(Int([StatusDate])) AS
> Status_Date
> FROM dbo_DSS_LastStatus AS t1 INNER JOIN (SELECT DISTINCT PID,
> CDate(INT(StatusDate)), max(StatusDate) AS lastdatetime FROM
> dbo_DSS_LastStatus GROUP BY PID, CDate(INT(StatusDate)))  AS t2 ON (t1.PID
> =
> t2.PID) AND (t1.StatusDate = t2.lastdatetime);
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeff B
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:55 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error in from clause
>
> It also looks like you have 2 FROM statements:
>
> SELECT t1.PID, Left([t1.PID],10) AS API10, t1.Completion_Name,
> WellStatus([Status]) AS StatusShort, CDate(Int([StatusDate])) AS
> Status_Date
> >>>>>FROM dbo_DSS_StatusChanges  AS t1 INNER JOIN (SELECT DISTINCT PID,
> CDate(INT(StatusDate)),
> min(StatusDate) AS lastdatetime<<<<<
> FROM dbo_DSS_StatusChanges
> WHERE t1.StatusDate)>CDate([Allocation_Stats]![DateLast_S]
> GROUP BY PID, CDate(INT(StatusDate)))  AS t2 ON (t1.PID = t2.PID) AND
> (t1.StatusDate = t2.lastdatetime);
>
> Jeff Barrows
> MCP, MCAD, MCSD
>
> Outbak Technologies, LLC
> Racine, WI
> jeff.developer at gmail.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:53 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error in from clause
>
> Unfortunately I am still getting the error with the ( )
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeff B
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:43 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error in from clause
>
> Right off the bat, I'd say look at your WHERE statement, you are missing an
> opening ( and a closing )
>
> WHERE   HERE > t1.StatusDate)>CDate([Allocation_Stats]![DateLast_S]  <HERE
>
> Jeff Barrows
> MCP, MCAD, MCSD
>
> Outbak Technologies, LLC
> Racine, WI
> jeff.developer at gmail.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:41 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Error in from clause
>
> The following query is giving me an error in from clause message. It
> highlights the > in the where statement. The subquery works ok on its own.
> What am I missing? Thanks.
>
> SELECT t1.PID, Left([t1.PID],10) AS API10, t1.Completion_Name,
> WellStatus([Status]) AS StatusShort, CDate(Int([StatusDate])) AS
> Status_Date
> FROM dbo_DSS_StatusChanges  AS t1 INNER JOIN (SELECT DISTINCT PID,
> CDate(INT(StatusDate)),
> min(StatusDate) AS lastdatetime
> FROM dbo_DSS_StatusChanges
> WHERE t1.StatusDate)>CDate([Allocation_Stats]![DateLast_S]
> GROUP BY PID, CDate(INT(StatusDate)))  AS t2 ON (t1.PID = t2.PID) AND
> (t1.StatusDate = t2.lastdatetime);
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu Jan  3 11:28:47 2013
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 17:28:47 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Error in from clause
In-Reply-To: <CALGJE94fwDMfpELatdx4Mq3N=BofPq0VFpon28GvT+PA4ZHsxQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB0717BAB8@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>
	<004201cde9c9$143f6650$3cbe32f0$@gmail.com>
	<8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB0717BB0D@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>
	<004901cde9ca$ad5d4950$0817dbf0$@gmail.com>
	<8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB0717BB5C@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>
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The change below caused the query to ask for a parameter value for (t1.StatusDate). 

I was able to get it to work with the following changes. Had to use table names and another subquery.

WHERE dbo_DSS_StatusChanges.StatusDate>(Select CDate([Allocation_Stats]![DateLast_S]) from Allocation_Stats)

I got more records than I wanted so removed the CDate(INT(StatusDate)) from the query and ended with a query like this. Everything works now. Thanks for the assistance.

SELECT t1.PID, Left([t1.PID],10) AS API10, t1.Completion_Name, WellStatus([Status]) AS StatusShort, CDate(Int([StatusDate])) AS Status_Date
FROM dbo_DSS_StatusChanges  AS t1 INNER JOIN 
(SELECT DISTINCT PID, 
 min(StatusDate) AS lastdatetime
 FROM dbo_DSS_StatusChanges
WHERE dbo_DSS_StatusChanges.StatusDate>(Select CDate([Allocation_Stats]![DateLast_S]) from Allocation_Stats)
 GROUP BY PID)  AS t2 ON (t1.PID = t2.PID) AND (t1.StatusDate = t2.lastdatetime);


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hartland
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 10:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error in from clause

try this quick (not tested) slightly modifed one

SELECT t1.PID, Left([t1.PID],10) AS API10, t1.Completion_Name,
WellStatus([Status]) AS StatusShort, CDate(Int([StatusDate])) AS Status_Date FROM dbo_DSS_StatusChanges  AS t1 INNER JOIN ( SELECT DISTINCT PID, CDate(INT(StatusDate)), min(StatusDate) AS lastdatetime FROM dbo_DSS_StatusChanges WHERE (t1.StatusDate)>CDate([Allocation_Stats]![DateLast_S])
GROUP BY PID, CDate(INT(StatusDate)))  AS t2 ON (t1.PID = t2.PID) AND (t1.Status_Date = t2.lastdatetime);

Paul

On 3 January 2013 16:15, Jeff B <jeff.developer at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sorry, didn't realize you had a subquery in there
>
> Jeff Barrows
> MCP, MCAD, MCSD
>
> Outbak Technologies, LLC
> Racine, WI
> jeff.developer at gmail.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, 
> Chester
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 10:10 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error in from clause
>
> Don't both the query and subquery each need a from statement or am I wrong?
>
> This is the query I had previously done before I determined I was 
> using the wrong source table
>
> SELECT t1.PID, Left([t1.PID],10) AS API10, t1.Completion_Name,
> WellStatus([Status]) AS StatusShort, CDate(Int([StatusDate])) AS 
> Status_Date FROM dbo_DSS_LastStatus AS t1 INNER JOIN (SELECT DISTINCT 
> PID, CDate(INT(StatusDate)), max(StatusDate) AS lastdatetime FROM 
> dbo_DSS_LastStatus GROUP BY PID, CDate(INT(StatusDate)))  AS t2 ON 
> (t1.PID =
> t2.PID) AND (t1.StatusDate = t2.lastdatetime);
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeff B
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:55 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error in from clause
>
> It also looks like you have 2 FROM statements:
>
> SELECT t1.PID, Left([t1.PID],10) AS API10, t1.Completion_Name,
> WellStatus([Status]) AS StatusShort, CDate(Int([StatusDate])) AS 
> Status_Date
> >>>>>FROM dbo_DSS_StatusChanges  AS t1 INNER JOIN (SELECT DISTINCT 
> >>>>>PID,
> CDate(INT(StatusDate)),
> min(StatusDate) AS lastdatetime<<<<<
> FROM dbo_DSS_StatusChanges
> WHERE t1.StatusDate)>CDate([Allocation_Stats]![DateLast_S]
> GROUP BY PID, CDate(INT(StatusDate)))  AS t2 ON (t1.PID = t2.PID) AND 
> (t1.StatusDate = t2.lastdatetime);
>
> Jeff Barrows
> MCP, MCAD, MCSD
>
> Outbak Technologies, LLC
> Racine, WI
> jeff.developer at gmail.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, 
> Chester
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:53 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error in from clause
>
> Unfortunately I am still getting the error with the ( )
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeff B
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:43 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error in from clause
>
> Right off the bat, I'd say look at your WHERE statement, you are 
> missing an opening ( and a closing )
>
> WHERE   HERE > t1.StatusDate)>CDate([Allocation_Stats]![DateLast_S]  <HERE
>
> Jeff Barrows
> MCP, MCAD, MCSD
>
> Outbak Technologies, LLC
> Racine, WI
> jeff.developer at gmail.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, 
> Chester
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:41 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Error in from clause
>
> The following query is giving me an error in from clause message. It 
> highlights the > in the where statement. The subquery works ok on its own.
> What am I missing? Thanks.
>
> SELECT t1.PID, Left([t1.PID],10) AS API10, t1.Completion_Name,
> WellStatus([Status]) AS StatusShort, CDate(Int([StatusDate])) AS 
> Status_Date FROM dbo_DSS_StatusChanges  AS t1 INNER JOIN (SELECT 
> DISTINCT PID, CDate(INT(StatusDate)),
> min(StatusDate) AS lastdatetime
> FROM dbo_DSS_StatusChanges
> WHERE t1.StatusDate)>CDate([Allocation_Stats]![DateLast_S]
> GROUP BY PID, CDate(INT(StatusDate)))  AS t2 ON (t1.PID = t2.PID) AND 
> (t1.StatusDate = t2.lastdatetime);
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From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Fri Jan  4 14:10:33 2013
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 14:10:33 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] ACCESS2003 Function is not Expression
Message-ID: <201301042010.r04KAZc7009360@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey All

I have an app (mde file) that works fine on my machine but creates an error
on the clients machine. We are both running Windows 7. It is a simple query

.

Field: First Char:Left([KeyWord],1)

 

Seems to me that there is a reference missing somewhere, as it is an mde I
cannot get the client to check for missing references. Any suggestions?????

 

Thanks

Tony Septav

 


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Jan  4 14:56:35 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2013 06:56:35 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] ACCESS2003 Function is not Expression
In-Reply-To: <201301042010.r04KAZc7009360@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <201301042010.r04KAZc7009360@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <50E74203.2120.BD90A7D6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Same Office version as well? 

On 4 Jan 2013 at 14:10, Tony Septav wrote:

> Hey All
> 
> I have an app (mde file) that works fine on my machine but creates an error
> on the clients machine. We are both running Windows 7. It is a simple query
> 
> .
> 
> Field: First Char:Left([KeyWord],1)
> 
>  
> 
> Seems to me that there is a reference missing somewhere, as it is an mde I
> cannot get the client to check for missing references. Any suggestions?????
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Tony Septav
> 
>  
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From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Fri Jan  4 15:08:48 2013
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 15:08:48 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] ACCESS2003 Function is not Expression
In-Reply-To: <50E74203.2120.BD90A7D6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <201301042108.r04L8opG027205@databaseadvisors.com>

It is a standalone alone install app, the client I think has Access2010. I
have run into some funky things with Windows 7 and Access code.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: January-04-13 2:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ACCESS2003 Function is not Expression

Same Office version as well? 

On 4 Jan 2013 at 14:10, Tony Septav wrote:

> Hey All
> 
> I have an app (mde file) that works fine on my machine but creates an
error
> on the clients machine. We are both running Windows 7. It is a simple
query
> 
> .
> 
> Field: First Char:Left([KeyWord],1)
> 
>  
> 
> Seems to me that there is a reference missing somewhere, as it is an mde I
> cannot get the client to check for missing references. Any
suggestions?????
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Tony Septav
> 
>  
> 
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From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz  Mon Jan  7 03:30:37 2013
From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel)
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 22:30:37 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] ACCESS2003 Function is not Expression
In-Reply-To: <201301042108.r04L8opG027205@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <201301042108.r04L8opG027205@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <E8B2D322266049A38C3EEC1F24E1EE01@stevelaptop>

Tony

So is it running on the client's machine under Access 2010, or Access 2003 
Runtime?

I have an application that I develop in Access 2003, but runs on my server 
under Access 2010.  I ran into similar sort of problem, which I never 
properly got to the bottom of.  The only way I have found around it is to 
put it on the Access 2010 machine as an MDB, and then save as MDE there... 
in which case it works fine.

(Of course, this is relatively easy for me because it's my own computer, and 
would be a pain to do on a customer's system unless you have remote access 
or something.)

Regards
Steve

-----Original Message----- 
From: Tony Septav
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 10:08 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ACCESS2003 Function is not Expression

It is a standalone alone install app, the client I think has Access2010. I
have run into some funky things with Windows 7 and Access code.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: January-04-13 2:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ACCESS2003 Function is not Expression

Same Office version as well?

On 4 Jan 2013 at 14:10, Tony Septav wrote:

> Hey All
>
> I have an app (mde file) that works fine on my machine but creates an
error
> on the clients machine. We are both running Windows 7. It is a simple
query
>
> .
>
> Field: First Char:Left([KeyWord],1)
>
>
>
> Seems to me that there is a reference missing somewhere, as it is an mde I
> cannot get the client to check for missing references. Any
suggestions?????
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Tony Septav
>
>
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Jan  7 05:37:29 2013
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 11:37:29 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 7 Running Cached Old Version Of MDB
In-Reply-To: <E8B2D322266049A38C3EEC1F24E1EE01@stevelaptop>
References: <201301042108.r04L8opG027205@databaseadvisors.com>
	<E8B2D322266049A38C3EEC1F24E1EE01@stevelaptop>
Message-ID: <1878209337.915338.1357558649421.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk>

I thought I'd truly lost it this time.


Running our main MDB one machine was giving the message that it was running an
out-of-date version. This uses a home-spun routine and triggers a new version to
copy down from the network. But the error message persisted. So I manually did
the copy and it still happened. I looked at the file on the server and it was
the latest version. I copied it to the folder on C:, looked at it there and it
was the old version. What the......?????? I copied the version from the server
to another folder (C:\Temp) and that ran fine. Copied from C:\Temp to the file's
normal home on C: and got the error message again! Bizarre. Here?s the best?.I
deleted the MDB and ran it from the Windows icon that the users use, waiting for
the Windows error that it was trying to run a non-existent file. But no, it
still ran and gave the error. So now it?s running a file which doesn?t exist.
Now beginning to doubt the evidence of my own eyes. Flushed recycle bin, deleted
temporary files, switched pc off and back on. No change. Renamed the MDB and it
ran fine. Renamed it back to its original name and got the error. Logged on as
different user and the same file ran fine. Decided I?d lost it and went and sat
in a darkened room going la, la, la, la.

By now it was dawning on me that Windows had to be caching the old MDB and
running that so I Googled "windows 7 running cached version" and found the
solution. Go to

C:\Users\this user\AppData\Local\VirtualStore

and there?s the cached copy. Delete that and all is well.

Who knew? No doubt all of you, but it's a new one on me. I'm posting this to
help anyone else who has this happen but also to ask if there is a way to
prevent it as it totally interferes with any version management you might have.
Anyone got the answer?

Cheers

Andy


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Jan  7 05:44:21 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 06:44:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 7 Running Cached Old Version Of MDB
In-Reply-To: <1878209337.915338.1357558649421.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk>
References: <201301042108.r04L8opG027205@databaseadvisors.com>
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Wow! This is the first I've heard of this. Thanks for the "favour", MS! But
I guess this is how Word, for example, can notify me of documents I can
recover. For every up-side there is an equal and opposite down-side, I
guess.

Arthur

From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Jan  7 06:00:44 2013
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 12:00:44 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 7 Running Cached Old Version Of MDB
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jnXsFvktKZ3b27dO6rRHuOU=p0QfdXO1RQLLWDW0Cyug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201301042108.r04L8opG027205@databaseadvisors.com>
	<E8B2D322266049A38C3EEC1F24E1EE01@stevelaptop>
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But in this case there is no clue whatsoever that MS is doing any "recovering",
and in fact no recovering is necessary as the file is not in any way corrupted.
With no feedback at all you could be running an old version without any clue
that that's what's happening. It's a potential nightmare.

Andy


On 07 January 2013 at 11:44 Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
> Wow! This is the first I've heard of this. Thanks for the "favour", MS! But
> I guess this is how Word, for example, can notify me of documents I can
> recover. For every up-side there is an equal and opposite down-side, I
> guess.
>
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Jan  7 08:00:08 2013
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2013 09:00:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 7 Running Cached Old Version Of MDB
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 It stems from Microsoft's attempt to protect various folders.  If you try
to write to a protected folder, it's re-directed to a virtual store so the
app doesn't complain (by default, standard users can write to many of the
system folders).

 The real problem is that many of us when it comes to Vista/Win 7 don't
follow best practices; no user should be writing into C:\program files or
c:\program files (x86). Yet prior to 
these OS's, that's where Microsoft told us to put everything.

 If you want to leave this in the \program files folders, take ownership of
the sub folder and give everyone full permissions to it.  That will allow
writes into the folder and items will no longer be redirected to the virtual
store.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 06:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 7 Running Cached Old Version Of MDB

I thought I'd truly lost it this time.


Running our main MDB one machine was giving the message that it was running
an
out-of-date version. This uses a home-spun routine and triggers a new
version to
copy down from the network. But the error message persisted. So I manually
did
the copy and it still happened. I looked at the file on the server and it
was
the latest version. I copied it to the folder on C:, looked at it there and
it
was the old version. What the......?????? I copied the version from the
server
to another folder (C:\Temp) and that ran fine. Copied from C:\Temp to the
file's
normal home on C: and got the error message again! Bizarre. Here's the
best..I
deleted the MDB and ran it from the Windows icon that the users use, waiting
for
the Windows error that it was trying to run a non-existent file. But no, it
still ran and gave the error. So now it's running a file which doesn't
exist.
Now beginning to doubt the evidence of my own eyes. Flushed recycle bin,
deleted
temporary files, switched pc off and back on. No change. Renamed the MDB and
it
ran fine. Renamed it back to its original name and got the error. Logged on
as
different user and the same file ran fine. Decided I'd lost it and went and
sat
in a darkened room going la, la, la, la.

By now it was dawning on me that Windows had to be caching the old MDB and
running that so I Googled "windows 7 running cached version" and found the
solution. Go to

C:\Users\this user\AppData\Local\VirtualStore

and there's the cached copy. Delete that and all is well.

Who knew? No doubt all of you, but it's a new one on me. I'm posting this to
help anyone else who has this happen but also to ask if there is a way to
prevent it as it totally interferes with any version management you might
have.
Anyone got the answer?

Cheers

Andy

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Jan  7 08:11:29 2013
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 14:11:29 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 7 Running Cached Old Version Of MDB
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Interesting Jim. You're right that the MDB is in a sub-folder within C:\Program
Files, but "Everyone" already has Full Control rights to that sub-folder, not
least so that the LDB can be created and deleted. It would be quite a bit of
work to move the MDB because everyone on the site is setup the same way and
there are sub-sub-folders used too. What else can I do to avoid this? To my mind
it's pretty amazing (and not in a good way) that such a fundamental thing as "I
tell the OS to open a file and it opens it" has changed to "I tell the OS to
open a file and it may decide to open a different one (and without telling me
that that's what it has done)".

Andy


On 07 January 2013 at 14:00 Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> It stems from Microsoft's attempt to protect various folders. If you try
> to write to a protected folder, it's re-directed to a virtual store so the
> app doesn't complain (by default, standard users can write to many of the
> system folders).
>
> The real problem is that many of us when it comes to Vista/Win 7 don't
> follow best practices; no user should be writing into C:\program files or
> c:\program files (x86). Yet prior to
> these OS's, that's where Microsoft told us to put everything.
>
> If you want to leave this in the \program files folders, take ownership of
> the sub folder and give everyone full permissions to it. That will allow
> writes into the folder and items will no longer be redirected to the virtual
> store.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 06:37 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Windows 7 Running Cached Old Version Of MDB
>
> I thought I'd truly lost it this time.
>
>
> Running our main MDB one machine was giving the message that it was running
> an
> out-of-date version. This uses a home-spun routine and triggers a new
> version to
> copy down from the network. But the error message persisted. So I manually
> did
> the copy and it still happened. I looked at the file on the server and it
> was
> the latest version. I copied it to the folder on C:, looked at it there and
> it
> was the old version. What the......?????? I copied the version from the
> server
> to another folder (C:\Temp) and that ran fine. Copied from C:\Temp to the
> file's
> normal home on C: and got the error message again! Bizarre. Here's the
> best..I
> deleted the MDB and ran it from the Windows icon that the users use, waiting
> for
> the Windows error that it was trying to run a non-existent file. But no, it
> still ran and gave the error. So now it's running a file which doesn't
> exist.
> Now beginning to doubt the evidence of my own eyes. Flushed recycle bin,
> deleted
> temporary files, switched pc off and back on. No change. Renamed the MDB and
> it
> ran fine. Renamed it back to its original name and got the error. Logged on
> as
> different user and the same file ran fine. Decided I'd lost it and went and
> sat
> in a darkened room going la, la, la, la.
>
> By now it was dawning on me that Windows had to be caching the old MDB and
> running that so I Googled "windows 7 running cached version" and found the
> solution. Go to
>
> C:\Users\this user\AppData\Local\VirtualStore
>
> and there's the cached copy. Delete that and all is well.
>
> Who knew? No doubt all of you, but it's a new one on me. I'm posting this to
> help anyone else who has this happen but also to ask if there is a way to
> prevent it as it totally interferes with any version management you might
> have.
> Anyone got the answer?
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Jan  7 08:48:43 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 06:48:43 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] MDB Viewer
Message-ID: <964CB79516574F6BB637076AF061F52E@HAL9007>

Dear List:
 
Got this from one of the Linked In Access lists.  Not sure what I'd use it
for if I have Access but here it is.  Might be useful for a client who
doesn't have Access?
 
http://www.alexnolan.net/software/mdb_viewer_plus.htm
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Mon Jan  7 08:49:57 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2013 18:49:57 +0400
Subject: [AccessD]
 =?utf-8?q?Windows_7_Running_Cached_Old_Version_Of_MDB?=
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 Hi Andy --

I have a similar "caching" issue on Win7 and not on C: disk or any other system areas but on my development E: disk where I copy setup files to be delivered to the customer: I have found that newly copied setup files do not overwrite prev. version ones.

Thank you.

-- Shamil

???????????,  7 ?????? 2013, 14:11 UTC ?? Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>:
>Interesting Jim. You're right that the MDB is in a sub-folder within C:\Program
>Files, but "Everyone" already has Full Control rights to that sub-folder, not
>least so that the LDB can be created and deleted. It would be quite a bit of
>work to move the MDB because everyone on the site is setup the same way and
>there are sub-sub-folders used too. What else can I do to avoid this? To my mind
>it's pretty amazing (and not in a good way) that such a fundamental thing as "I
>tell the OS to open a file and it opens it" has changed to "I tell the OS to
>open a file and it may decide to open a different one (and without telling me
>that that's what it has done)".
>
>Andy
>
><<< skipped >>>

From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Jan  7 09:54:35 2013
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2013 10:54:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 7 Running Cached Old Version Of MDB
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Andy,

<<Interesting Jim. You're right that the MDB is in a sub-folder within
C:\Program
Files, but "Everyone" already has Full Control rights to that sub-folder,
not
least so that the LDB can be created and deleted.>>

<< What else can I do to avoid this?>>

 You need to take ownership of the folder as well to avoid the re-direction.

<<To my mind it's pretty amazing (and not in a good way) that such a
fundamental thing as "I
tell the OS to open a file and it opens it" has changed to "I tell the OS to
open a file and it may decide to open a different one (and without telling
me
that that's what it has done)".>>

 I fully agree with you. I like you am getting tired of Microsoft building
all this stuff into the OS.  Things just keep getting more and more complex.

 Microsoft does this kind of thing and it just causes more problems.  What
they should have done is simply returned the "Access is denied" error and
not hide the problem.  Then it's up to the developer to put the app where it
belongs or get it installed properly. Of course all the developers would
scream that backwards compatibility is not being considered then.

 They could have gone a different route though and created new program
folder paths for Vista and Windows 7 that were secure, leaving the old
folders alone so they worked as they always have.  But I'm sure that would
carry ramifications as well and might even be worse.   But at least the
situation would be clear to anyone then about what was going on.


Jim.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 09:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 7 Running Cached Old Version Of MDB

Interesting Jim. You're right that the MDB is in a sub-folder within
C:\Program
Files, but "Everyone" already has Full Control rights to that sub-folder,
not
least so that the LDB can be created and deleted. It would be quite a bit of
work to move the MDB because everyone on the site is setup the same way and
there are sub-sub-folders used too. What else can I do to avoid this? To my
mind
it's pretty amazing (and not in a good way) that such a fundamental thing as
"I
tell the OS to open a file and it opens it" has changed to "I tell the OS to
open a file and it may decide to open a different one (and without telling
me
that that's what it has done)".

Andy


On 07 January 2013 at 14:00 Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> It stems from Microsoft's attempt to protect various folders. If you try
> to write to a protected folder, it's re-directed to a virtual store so the
> app doesn't complain (by default, standard users can write to many of the
> system folders).
>
> The real problem is that many of us when it comes to Vista/Win 7 don't
> follow best practices; no user should be writing into C:\program files or
> c:\program files (x86). Yet prior to
> these OS's, that's where Microsoft told us to put everything.
>
> If you want to leave this in the \program files folders, take ownership of
> the sub folder and give everyone full permissions to it. That will allow
> writes into the folder and items will no longer be redirected to the
virtual
> store.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 06:37 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Windows 7 Running Cached Old Version Of MDB
>
> I thought I'd truly lost it this time.
>
>
> Running our main MDB one machine was giving the message that it was
running
> an
> out-of-date version. This uses a home-spun routine and triggers a new
> version to
> copy down from the network. But the error message persisted. So I manually
> did
> the copy and it still happened. I looked at the file on the server and it
> was
> the latest version. I copied it to the folder on C:, looked at it there
and
> it
> was the old version. What the......?????? I copied the version from the
> server
> to another folder (C:\Temp) and that ran fine. Copied from C:\Temp to the
> file's
> normal home on C: and got the error message again! Bizarre. Here's the
> best..I
> deleted the MDB and ran it from the Windows icon that the users use,
waiting
> for
> the Windows error that it was trying to run a non-existent file. But no,
it
> still ran and gave the error. So now it's running a file which doesn't
> exist.
> Now beginning to doubt the evidence of my own eyes. Flushed recycle bin,
> deleted
> temporary files, switched pc off and back on. No change. Renamed the MDB
and
> it
> ran fine. Renamed it back to its original name and got the error. Logged
on
> as
> different user and the same file ran fine. Decided I'd lost it and went
and
> sat
> in a darkened room going la, la, la, la.
>
> By now it was dawning on me that Windows had to be caching the old MDB and
> running that so I Googled "windows 7 running cached version" and found the
> solution. Go to
>
> C:\Users\this user\AppData\Local\VirtualStore
>
> and there's the cached copy. Delete that and all is well.
>
> Who knew? No doubt all of you, but it's a new one on me. I'm posting this
to
> help anyone else who has this happen but also to ask if there is a way to
> prevent it as it totally interferes with any version management you might
> have.
> Anyone got the answer?
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy
>
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Jan  7 09:58:18 2013
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2013 10:58:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MDB Viewer
In-Reply-To: <964CB79516574F6BB637076AF061F52E@HAL9007>
References: <964CB79516574F6BB637076AF061F52E@HAL9007>
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 Looks like a handy utility to have.

 Thanks for posting that.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 09:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] MDB Viewer

Dear List:
 
Got this from one of the Linked In Access lists.  Not sure what I'd use it
for if I have Access but here it is.  Might be useful for a client who
doesn't have Access?
 
http://www.alexnolan.net/software/mdb_viewer_plus.htm
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From bruce.kovacs at urs.com  Mon Jan  7 10:28:30 2013
From: bruce.kovacs at urs.com (Kovacs, Bruce)
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 16:28:30 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] MDB Viewer
In-Reply-To: <788EEBC8934C47D6BEB569400572E115@XPS>
References: <964CB79516574F6BB637076AF061F52E@HAL9007>
	<788EEBC8934C47D6BEB569400572E115@XPS>
Message-ID: <C59F9005BCF83840B29368B37027B2E007A078BD@EXMB103.EX.URS.COM>


Does this check out OK?  Our corporate firewall blocks this as Spyware and Malware.


Bruce Kovacs
URS Corporation

SGT, LLC
7207 IBM Drive
Charlotte, NC  28262

Office:  704-805-2131
Fax:  704-805-2875
Cell:  704-200-8802
bruce.kovacs at urs.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 10:58 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MDB Viewer


 Looks like a handy utility to have.

 Thanks for posting that.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 09:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] MDB Viewer

Dear List:

Got this from one of the Linked In Access lists.  Not sure what I'd use it for if I have Access but here it is.  Might be useful for a client who doesn't have Access?

http://www.alexnolan.net/software/mdb_viewer_plus.htm

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin

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From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Mon Jan  7 10:55:47 2013
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 10:55:47 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] ACCESS2003 Function is not Expression
In-Reply-To: <E8B2D322266049A38C3EEC1F24E1EE01@stevelaptop>
Message-ID: <201301071655.r07GtntH013125@databaseadvisors.com>

Thanks Steve
It is running on the client's machine as an Access 2003 runtime. I think if
I remember correctly I ran into a similiar problem a couple of months ago
when I tried running an old application on my machine and a got a similar
message, the message was misleading as the solution had nothing to do with
the error message displayed but with Windows 7. 
Anyway the client is dropping off his laptop today, so I guess it is time to
do a "Sherlock Holmes" and try and figure out what is going on. Jeez I hate
having to deal with "mystery meat".

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel
Sent: January-07-13 3:31 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ACCESS2003 Function is not Expression

Tony

So is it running on the client's machine under Access 2010, or Access 2003 
Runtime?

I have an application that I develop in Access 2003, but runs on my server 
under Access 2010.  I ran into similar sort of problem, which I never 
properly got to the bottom of.  The only way I have found around it is to 
put it on the Access 2010 machine as an MDB, and then save as MDE there... 
in which case it works fine.

(Of course, this is relatively easy for me because it's my own computer, and

would be a pain to do on a customer's system unless you have remote access 
or something.)

Regards
Steve

-----Original Message----- 
From: Tony Septav
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 10:08 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ACCESS2003 Function is not Expression

It is a standalone alone install app, the client I think has Access2010. I
have run into some funky things with Windows 7 and Access code.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: January-04-13 2:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ACCESS2003 Function is not Expression

Same Office version as well?

On 4 Jan 2013 at 14:10, Tony Septav wrote:

> Hey All
>
> I have an app (mde file) that works fine on my machine but creates an
error
> on the clients machine. We are both running Windows 7. It is a simple
query
>
> .
>
> Field: First Char:Left([KeyWord],1)
>
>
>
> Seems to me that there is a reference missing somewhere, as it is an mde I
> cannot get the client to check for missing references. Any
suggestions?????
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Tony Septav
>
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Jan  7 11:04:08 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 09:04:08 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] MDB Viewer
In-Reply-To: <C59F9005BCF83840B29368B37027B2E007A078BD@EXMB103.EX.URS.COM>
References: <964CB79516574F6BB637076AF061F52E@HAL9007><788EEBC8934C47D6BEB569400572E115@XPS>
	<C59F9005BCF83840B29368B37027B2E007A078BD@EXMB103.EX.URS.COM>
Message-ID: <E91ACD9D42884F88919240AD18FC71C6@HAL9007>

This site says it's OK:

http://www.freewarefiles.com/MDB-Viewer-Plus_program_19635.html

Rocky
 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kovacs, Bruce
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 8:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MDB Viewer


Does this check out OK?  Our corporate firewall blocks this as Spyware and
Malware.


Bruce Kovacs
URS Corporation

SGT, LLC
7207 IBM Drive
Charlotte, NC  28262

Office:  704-805-2131
Fax:  704-805-2875
Cell:  704-200-8802
bruce.kovacs at urs.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 10:58 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MDB Viewer


 Looks like a handy utility to have.

 Thanks for posting that.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 09:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] MDB Viewer

Dear List:

Got this from one of the Linked In Access lists.  Not sure what I'd use it
for if I have Access but here it is.  Might be useful for a client who
doesn't have Access?

http://www.alexnolan.net/software/mdb_viewer_plus.htm

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin

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From bruce.kovacs at urs.com  Mon Jan  7 11:27:05 2013
From: bruce.kovacs at urs.com (Kovacs, Bruce)
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 17:27:05 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] MDB Viewer
In-Reply-To: <E91ACD9D42884F88919240AD18FC71C6@HAL9007>
References: <964CB79516574F6BB637076AF061F52E@HAL9007><788EEBC8934C47D6BEB569400572E115@XPS>
	<C59F9005BCF83840B29368B37027B2E007A078BD@EXMB103.EX.URS.COM>
	<E91ACD9D42884F88919240AD18FC71C6@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <C59F9005BCF83840B29368B37027B2E007A079F1@EXMB103.EX.URS.COM>

 
I still get blocked.  I will have to download it from home.  Thanks.


Bruce Kovacs
URS Corporation

SGT, LLC
7207 IBM Drive
Charlotte, NC  28262

Office:  704-805-2131
Fax:  704-805-2875
Cell:  704-200-8802
bruce.kovacs at urs.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 12:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MDB Viewer

This site says it's OK:

http://www.freewarefiles.com/MDB-Viewer-Plus_program_19635.html

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kovacs, Bruce
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 8:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MDB Viewer


Does this check out OK?  Our corporate firewall blocks this as Spyware and Malware.


Bruce Kovacs
URS Corporation

SGT, LLC
7207 IBM Drive
Charlotte, NC  28262

Office:  704-805-2131
Fax:  704-805-2875
Cell:  704-200-8802
bruce.kovacs at urs.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 10:58 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MDB Viewer


 Looks like a handy utility to have.

 Thanks for posting that.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 09:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] MDB Viewer

Dear List:

Got this from one of the Linked In Access lists.  Not sure what I'd use it for if I have Access but here it is.  Might be useful for a client who doesn't have Access?

http://www.alexnolan.net/software/mdb_viewer_plus.htm

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin

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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Mon Jan  7 13:11:02 2013
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 13:11:02 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Adventures with SchedLgU.Txt (Windows Scheduled Tasks -
	Log File) and Access 2007
References: <964CB79516574F6BB637076AF061F52E@HAL9007><788EEBC8934C47D6BEB569400572E115@XPS><C59F9005BCF83840B29368B37027B2E007A078BD@EXMB103.EX.URS.COM><E91ACD9D42884F88919240AD18FC71C6@HAL9007>
	<C59F9005BCF83840B29368B37027B2E007A079F1@EXMB103.EX.URS.COM>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C5017D9C20@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

All,

I do a lot of work with "report generation" applications that are built
with Access 2007.  These 
Applications are run at night in an unattended mode in a Terminal
Services environment (via the Windows Scheduler). 99% of the time
everything works nicely.  However, every once in a while a problem will
surface.  When problems occur, I often look at the SchedLgU.Txt file
which shows the results of Scheduled Tasks.

Recently, I decided to experiment with the data in the SchedLgU.Txt
file.  I wanted to pull 
the data from this file into an Access application and create a
easy-to-read report.  I thought 
that this would be a simple task.  I was wrong!

SchedLgU.Txt is a strange file!!!

When I treated SchedLgU.Txt as a linked Access table, I was not able to
see any of the data.
I spent quite a bit of time trying to understand why this would not
work.  I finally decided to 
look at alternative approaches.

I found an example of a VBS script that could read the SchedLgU.Txt file
and write
the output to a new .txt file.

I then was able to read the new .txt file with the Access application.
At this point, I was smiling.

The Access report that was generated from the new .txt file looked nice
with a header,
alternating detail line colors, a record count, and a footer.  

I moved the Access application from "Development" (Full Version of
Access) to "Production" (Only Access Runtime available). When I did
this, I started to see strange errors on the report. The report would
show a "#error" at 
the start of page 2 of the 9-page report.  I spent several hours trying
to debug this
problem but was not able to do so. (No longer smiling)

I then decided that I could live with a less fancy report and wrote a
second little script
to read the .txt file (Output from the VBS script), and create a second
.txt file that I
enhanced to have a header, footer, and record count.

The SchedLgU.Txt is a "wrap-around" file.  It has an eyecatcher that
indicates where the most
recent log record is located in the log file.  I enhanced the second
script to use this eyecatcher to 
build the output file (report) in a pure chronological order.  I also
added some white space
to make the "job groups" easier to view.

I then set up a new Scheduled Task to run these scripts at 9:00 PM every
night and e-mail
the "report" to me.

This seems to be working nicely.

The reason that I am writing this post is to see if anyone else has
every experimented
with the SchedLgU.txt file.  I also thought that others may benefit from
the experience that
I have had the past couple of days.  I have never run into a .txt file
that I could not handle with Access.  I am guessing that the
SchedLgU.Txt has a number of embedded "Strange" characters that are
causing problems.  Why there was a difference in the results between
accdb and accdr (Runtime) still remains a
mystery.

Brad  


From john at winhaven.net  Mon Jan  7 13:35:07 2013
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 13:35:07 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] MDB Viewer
In-Reply-To: <E91ACD9D42884F88919240AD18FC71C6@HAL9007>
References: <964CB79516574F6BB637076AF061F52E@HAL9007><788EEBC8934C47D6BEB569400572E115@XPS>	<C59F9005BCF83840B29368B37027B2E007A078BD@EXMB103.EX.URS.COM>
	<E91ACD9D42884F88919240AD18FC71C6@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <044c01cded0e$1a9d8bb0$4fd8a310$@winhaven.net>

Well, apparently Viper didn't care for your link either.

 

From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 11:04 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MDB Viewer

 

This site says it's OK:

VIPRE Anti-phishing removed a known bad URL from your email message. It was
deleted or quarantined and replaced with this message.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kovacs, Bruce
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 8:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MDB Viewer


Does this check out OK?  Our corporate firewall blocks this as Spyware and
Malware.


Bruce Kovacs
URS Corporation

SGT, LLC
7207 IBM Drive
Charlotte, NC  28262

Office:  704-805-2131
Fax:  704-805-2875
Cell:  704-200-8802
bruce.kovacs at urs.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 10:58 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MDB Viewer


 Looks like a handy utility to have.

 Thanks for posting that.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 09:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] MDB Viewer

Dear List:

Got this from one of the Linked In Access lists.  Not sure what I'd use it
for if I have Access but here it is.  Might be useful for a client who
doesn't have Access?

http://www.alexnolan.net/software/mdb_viewer_plus.htm

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Jan  7 13:37:47 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 11:37:47 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] MDB Viewer
In-Reply-To: <044c01cded0e$1a9d8bb0$4fd8a310$@winhaven.net>
References: <964CB79516574F6BB637076AF061F52E@HAL9007><788EEBC8934C47D6BEB569400572E115@XPS>	<C59F9005BCF83840B29368B37027B2E007A078BD@EXMB103.EX.URS.COM><E91ACD9D42884F88919240AD18FC71C6@HAL9007>
	<044c01cded0e$1a9d8bb0$4fd8a310$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <58AC55BAE16C477DA362F3CAD24C62D2@HAL9007>

Huh, wonder why?   Bigger question in my mind is what you'd use it for
versus just using Access.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 11:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MDB Viewer

Well, apparently Viper didn't care for your link either.

 

From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 11:04 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MDB Viewer

 

This site says it's OK:

VIPRE Anti-phishing removed a known bad URL from your email message. It was
deleted or quarantined and replaced with this message.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kovacs, Bruce
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 8:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MDB Viewer


Does this check out OK?  Our corporate firewall blocks this as Spyware and
Malware.


Bruce Kovacs
URS Corporation

SGT, LLC
7207 IBM Drive
Charlotte, NC  28262

Office:  704-805-2131
Fax:  704-805-2875
Cell:  704-200-8802
bruce.kovacs at urs.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 10:58 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MDB Viewer


 Looks like a handy utility to have.

 Thanks for posting that.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 09:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] MDB Viewer

Dear List:

Got this from one of the Linked In Access lists.  Not sure what I'd use it
for if I have Access but here it is.  Might be useful for a client who
doesn't have Access?

http://www.alexnolan.net/software/mdb_viewer_plus.htm

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Jan  7 14:53:25 2013
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:53:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MDB Viewer
In-Reply-To: <58AC55BAE16C477DA362F3CAD24C62D2@HAL9007>
References: <964CB79516574F6BB637076AF061F52E@HAL9007><788EEBC8934C47D6BEB569400572E115@XPS>
	<C59F9005BCF83840B29368B37027B2E007A078BD@EXMB103.EX.URS.COM><E91ACD9D42884F88919240AD18FC71C6@HAL9007>
	<044c01cded0e$1a9d8bb0$4fd8a310$@winhaven.net>
	<58AC55BAE16C477DA362F3CAD24C62D2@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <769DCAFEA03149FCA3927D07426338DB@XPS>


 Just as the author said; you don't have Access installed, but want to use
JET as a data store for your application.

 Many non-Access based apps use a MDB for data storage (i.e. something
written in classic VB for example). 

Jim.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 02:38 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MDB Viewer

Huh, wonder why?   Bigger question in my mind is what you'd use it for
versus just using Access.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 11:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MDB Viewer

Well, apparently Viper didn't care for your link either.

 

From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 11:04 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MDB Viewer

 

This site says it's OK:

VIPRE Anti-phishing removed a known bad URL from your email message. It was
deleted or quarantined and replaced with this message.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kovacs, Bruce
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 8:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MDB Viewer


Does this check out OK?  Our corporate firewall blocks this as Spyware and
Malware.


Bruce Kovacs
URS Corporation

SGT, LLC
7207 IBM Drive
Charlotte, NC  28262

Office:  704-805-2131
Fax:  704-805-2875
Cell:  704-200-8802
bruce.kovacs at urs.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 10:58 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MDB Viewer


 Looks like a handy utility to have.

 Thanks for posting that.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 09:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] MDB Viewer

Dear List:

Got this from one of the Linked In Access lists.  Not sure what I'd use it
for if I have Access but here it is.  Might be useful for a client who
doesn't have Access?

http://www.alexnolan.net/software/mdb_viewer_plus.htm

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Jan  7 17:51:05 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 15:51:05 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Map in Access
Message-ID: <81928521D872424D9F49681B3D8A2B60@HAL9007>

Dear List:
 
Client wants to have a map in his access app - pan, zoom, pushpins.  Is
there such a control?
 
Does he really want MapPoint for this?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Jan  7 17:56:12 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 15:56:12 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Distance Between Two Points
Message-ID: <68556B9B49A745CCB5428091EAA20A5F@HAL9007>

Dear List:
 
I have a client who wants to add to his app the distance from his office to
various properties they appraise.  I see some code snips on the web to
calculate this (as the crow flies) but is there a way to translate a
complete address into latitude and longitude coordinates?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

From darren at activebilling.com.au  Mon Jan  7 18:41:03 2013
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren)
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 11:41:03 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 7 Running Cached Old Version Of MDB
In-Reply-To: <1878209337.915338.1357558649421.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk>
References: <201301042108.r04L8opG027205@databaseadvisors.com>	<E8B2D322266049A38C3EEC1F24E1EE01@stevelaptop>
	<1878209337.915338.1357558649421.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk>
Message-ID: <002401cded38$d86dabf0$894903d0$@activebilling.com.au>

Hi Andy

As for you losing your mind - I was of the opinion this was an established fact ages ago <snigger> (love ya mate).

As for this copying issue. In one version of windows or another they introduced the 'feature', where....copying a file with a view to overwrite an existing file of the same name, a popup is presented to users asking if they wanted to overwrite the existing filename or make a copy of the file name.

It's from this time onwards where I had some nightmare scenarios at client's  offices where I would copy what I thought were latest versions from my USB stick, into a client's environment. Only to discover I had copied some earlier version. Frustrating and perplexing.

It seemed this new windows overwrite "feature' was not working as advertised. Took ages for me to find out it was this issue (Similar to yours).

My only solution was to rename the original target file so there was no overwrite possibilities - And then copy the latest version with the desired file name.

Thus 'kinda' guaranteeing it was a new file drop and not a copy or an overwrite - make sense?

I got hit by this a few years ago BTW - I think I raised it here back then - can't recall the response - Sorry

All the best to the fam.

D


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Monday, 7 January 2013 10:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 7 Running Cached Old Version Of MDB

I thought I'd truly lost it this time.


Running our main MDB one machine was giving the message that it was running an out-of-date version. This uses a home-spun routine and triggers a new version to copy down from the network. But the error message persisted. So I manually did the copy and it still happened. I looked at the file on the server and it was the latest version. I copied it to the folder on C:, looked at it there and it was the old version. What the......?????? I copied the version from the server to another folder (C:\Temp) and that ran fine. Copied from C:\Temp to the file's normal home on C: and got the error message again! Bizarre. Here?s the best?.I deleted the MDB and ran it from the Windows icon that the users use, waiting for the Windows error that it was trying to run a non-existent file. But no, it still ran and gave the error. So now it?s running a file which doesn?t exist.
Now beginning to doubt the evidence of my own eyes. Flushed recycle bin, deleted temporary files, switched pc off and back on. No change. Renamed the MDB and it ran fine. Renamed it back to its original name and got the error. Logged on as different user and the same file ran fine. Decided I?d lost it and went and sat in a darkened room going la, la, la, la.

By now it was dawning on me that Windows had to be caching the old MDB and running that so I Googled "windows 7 running cached version" and found the solution. Go to

C:\Users\this user\AppData\Local\VirtualStore

and there?s the cached copy. Delete that and all is well.

Who knew? No doubt all of you, but it's a new one on me. I'm posting this to help anyone else who has this happen but also to ask if there is a way to prevent it as it totally interferes with any version management you might have.
Anyone got the answer?

Cheers

Andy

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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Mon Jan  7 19:01:13 2013
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 17:01:13 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Distance Between Two Points
In-Reply-To: <68556B9B49A745CCB5428091EAA20A5F@HAL9007>
References: <68556B9B49A745CCB5428091EAA20A5F@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <00d401cded3b$a7bc95e0$f735c1a0$@cox.net>

I think others on the list have discussed ways of doing this. It can be done
from the Google Maps api. You need a Google developer ID or something like
that to use it. It has been a while since I played with it.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 3:56 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Distance Between Two Points

Dear List:
 
I have a client who wants to add to his app the distance from his office to
various properties they appraise.  I see some code snips on the web to
calculate this (as the crow flies) but is there a way to translate a
complete address into latitude and longitude coordinates?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Jan  7 19:33:49 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 11:33:49 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Distance Between Two Points
In-Reply-To: <00d401cded3b$a7bc95e0$f735c1a0$@cox.net>
References: <68556B9B49A745CCB5428091EAA20A5F@HAL9007>,
	<00d401cded3b$a7bc95e0$f735c1a0$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <50EB777D.2349.CE018BF4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

It's can be as simple as parsing the return from an http request such as 

http://maps.googleapis.com/maps/api/geocode/json?address=1600+Amphitheatre+Parkway,
+Mountain+View,+CA&sensor=false 

See 
https://developers.google.com/maps/documentation/geocoding/index

One caveat:

Note: the Geocoding API may only be used in conjunction with a Google map; geocoding 
results without displaying them on a map is prohibited. 


Alternatives:

https://webgis.usc.edu/Services/Default.aspx



On 7 Jan 2013 at 17:01, Doug Murphy wrote:

> I think others on the list have discussed ways of doing this. It can be done
> from the Google Maps api. You need a Google developer ID or something like
> that to use it. It has been a while since I played with it.
> 
> Doug
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 3:56 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Distance Between Two Points
> 
> Dear List:
>  
> I have a client who wants to add to his app the distance from his office to
> various properties they appraise.  I see some code snips on the web to
> calculate this (as the crow flies) but is there a way to translate a
> complete address into latitude and longitude coordinates?
>  
> MTIA
>  
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>  
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Jan  7 19:38:02 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 17:38:02 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Distance Between Two Points
In-Reply-To: <00d401cded3b$a7bc95e0$f735c1a0$@cox.net>
References: <68556B9B49A745CCB5428091EAA20A5F@HAL9007>
	<00d401cded3b$a7bc95e0$f735c1a0$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <EB541079124E46D4B92893682B9FD4FE@HAL9007>

Thanks - I'll check it out.

R 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 5:01 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Distance Between Two Points

I think others on the list have discussed ways of doing this. It can be done
from the Google Maps api. You need a Google developer ID or something like
that to use it. It has been a while since I played with it.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 3:56 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Distance Between Two Points

Dear List:
 
I have a client who wants to add to his app the distance from his office to
various properties they appraise.  I see some code snips on the web to
calculate this (as the crow flies) but is there a way to translate a
complete address into latitude and longitude coordinates?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Jan  7 19:47:49 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 17:47:49 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Distance Between Two Points
In-Reply-To: <50EB777D.2349.CE018BF4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <68556B9B49A745CCB5428091EAA20A5F@HAL9007>,
	<00d401cded3b$a7bc95e0$f735c1a0$@cox.net>
	<50EB777D.2349.CE018BF4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <A9043C68A2864943BDCB37D087472E23@HAL9007>

Thanks Stuart.  Do you know of a site where I can see a snip of VBA code
using it?


Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 5:34 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Distance Between Two Points

It's can be as simple as parsing the return from an http request such as 

http://maps.googleapis.com/maps/api/geocode/json?address=1600+Amphitheatre+P
arkway,
+Mountain+View,+CA&sensor=false

See
https://developers.google.com/maps/documentation/geocoding/index

One caveat:

Note: the Geocoding API may only be used in conjunction with a Google map;
geocoding results without displaying them on a map is prohibited. 


Alternatives:

https://webgis.usc.edu/Services/Default.aspx



On 7 Jan 2013 at 17:01, Doug Murphy wrote:

> I think others on the list have discussed ways of doing this. It can be
done
> from the Google Maps api. You need a Google developer ID or something like
> that to use it. It has been a while since I played with it.
> 
> Doug
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 3:56 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Distance Between Two Points
> 
> Dear List:
>  
> I have a client who wants to add to his app the distance from his office
to
> various properties they appraise.  I see some code snips on the web to
> calculate this (as the crow flies) but is there a way to translate a
> complete address into latitude and longitude coordinates?
>  
> MTIA
>  
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>  
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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Mon Jan  7 19:59:53 2013
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 20:59:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Distance Between Two Points
In-Reply-To: <00d401cded3b$a7bc95e0$f735c1a0$@cox.net>
References: <68556B9B49A745CCB5428091EAA20A5F@HAL9007>
	<00d401cded3b$a7bc95e0$f735c1a0$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAu=sCDALJiT=tUjT5bzudzCbfsU3J0ryS+GP54CqvKEgg@mail.gmail.com>

Rocky,

I posted some materials relvant to Google maps and distance between 2
points at
http://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=225339&page=2
There is a database and also some followup with lat long.

good luck.

On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Doug Murphy <dw-murphy at cox.net> wrote:

> I think others on the list have discussed ways of doing this. It can be
> done
> from the Google Maps api. You need a Google developer ID or something like
> that to use it. It has been a while since I played with it.
>
> Doug
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 3:56 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Distance Between Two Points
>
> Dear List:
>
> I have a client who wants to add to his app the distance from his office to
> various properties they appraise.  I see some code snips on the web to
> calculate this (as the crow flies) but is there a way to translate a
> complete address into latitude and longitude coordinates?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Jan  7 20:05:54 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 12:05:54 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Distance Between Two Points
In-Reply-To: <A9043C68A2864943BDCB37D087472E23@HAL9007>
References: <68556B9B49A745CCB5428091EAA20A5F@HAL9007>,
	<50EB777D.2349.CE018BF4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<A9043C68A2864943BDCB37D087472E23@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <50EB7F02.26957.CE1EEBC0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I've got a few similar things floating around for currency exchange etc.  Give ma half an hour 
or so :-)

-- 
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On 7 Jan 2013 at 17:47, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> Thanks Stuart.  Do you know of a site where I can see a snip of VBA code
> using it?
> 
> 
> Rocky
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 5:34 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Distance Between Two Points
> 
> It's can be as simple as parsing the return from an http request such as 
> 
> http://maps.googleapis.com/maps/api/geocode/json?address=1600+Amphitheatre+P
> arkway,
> +Mountain+View,+CA&sensor=false
> 
> See
> https://developers.google.com/maps/documentation/geocoding/index
> 
> One caveat:
> 
> Note: the Geocoding API may only be used in conjunction with a Google map;
> geocoding results without displaying them on a map is prohibited. 
> 
> 
> Alternatives:
> 
> https://webgis.usc.edu/Services/Default.aspx
> 
> 
> 
> On 7 Jan 2013 at 17:01, Doug Murphy wrote:
> 
> > I think others on the list have discussed ways of doing this. It can be
> done
> > from the Google Maps api. You need a Google developer ID or something like
> > that to use it. It has been a while since I played with it.
> > 
> > Doug
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 3:56 PM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: [AccessD] Distance Between Two Points
> > 
> > Dear List:
> >  
> > I have a client who wants to add to his app the distance from his office
> to
> > various properties they appraise.  I see some code snips on the web to
> > calculate this (as the crow flies) but is there a way to translate a
> > complete address into latitude and longitude coordinates?
> >  
> > MTIA
> >  
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> > 858-259-4334
> > www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
> > <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> > Skype: rocky.smolin
> >  
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Jan  7 20:26:00 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 18:26:00 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Distance Between Two Points
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAu=sCDALJiT=tUjT5bzudzCbfsU3J0ryS+GP54CqvKEgg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68556B9B49A745CCB5428091EAA20A5F@HAL9007><00d401cded3b$a7bc95e0$f735c1a0$@cox.net>
	<CAKvidAu=sCDALJiT=tUjT5bzudzCbfsU3J0ryS+GP54CqvKEgg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5CD1167858BD4AFABEFDFEBA5850C06B@HAL9007>

Thanks.  Does it do addresses?  I need more precision than zip code.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack drawbridge
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 6:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Distance Between Two Points

Rocky,

I posted some materials relvant to Google maps and distance between 2 points
at
http://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=225339&page=2
There is a database and also some followup with lat long.

good luck.

On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Doug Murphy <dw-murphy at cox.net> wrote:

> I think others on the list have discussed ways of doing this. It can 
> be done from the Google Maps api. You need a Google developer ID or 
> something like that to use it. It has been a while since I played with 
> it.
>
> Doug
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin
> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 3:56 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Distance Between Two Points
>
> Dear List:
>
> I have a client who wants to add to his app the distance from his 
> office to various properties they appraise.  I see some code snips on 
> the web to calculate this (as the crow flies) but is there a way to 
> translate a complete address into latitude and longitude coordinates?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com 
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Jan  7 20:38:54 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 12:38:54 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Distance Between Two Points
In-Reply-To: <50EB7F02.26957.CE1EEBC0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <68556B9B49A745CCB5428091EAA20A5F@HAL9007>,
	<A9043C68A2864943BDCB37D087472E23@HAL9007>,
	<50EB7F02.26957.CE1EEBC0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <50EB86BE.20374.CE3D221C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Here ya go - quick and dirty, but it works for me:

Type geoloc
    lat As Double
    lon As Double
End Type

Function GetGeoCode(strAddress As String) As geoloc
    Dim oHTTP As Object
    Dim lngresult As Long
    Dim strPage As String
    Dim strParam As String
    Dim lngPtr As Long
    Dim strFixedAddress As String
    Dim gl As geoloc
    strFixedAddress = Replace(strAddress, vbCrLf, "")
    strFixedAddress = Replace(strFixedAddress, " ", "+")
    strParam = "http://maps.googleapis.com/maps/api/geocode/json?address=" & _
               strFixedAddress & "&sensor=false"
    Set oHTTP = CreateObject("Msxml2.XMLHTTP")
    lngresult = oHTTP.Open("GET", strParam, False)
    lngresult = oHTTP.Send("")
    strPage = oHTTP.Responsetext
    Set oHTTP = Nothing
    lngPtr = InStr(strPage, """location"" : {") + 20
    strPage = Mid$(strPage, lngPtr)
    lngPtr = InStr(strPage, "},")
    strPage = Left$(strPage, lngPtr)
    strPage = Replace(strPage, " ", "")
    gl.lat = Val(Mid$(strPage, 7))
    strPage = Mid$(strPage, InStr(strPage, """lng"":"))
    gl.lon = Val(Mid$(strPage, 7))
    GetGeoCode = gl
End Function

Function TestGeocode()
Dim strA As String
Dim gl As geoloc
strA = "1600 Amphitheatre Parkway, Mountain View, CA"
gl = GetGeoCode(strA)
MsgBox strA & " is as Lat: " & gl.lat & " and Lon: " & gl.lon
End Function

















On 8 Jan 2013 at 12:05, Stuart McLachlan wrote:

> I've got a few similar things floating around for currency exchange etc.  Give ma half an hour 
> or so :-)
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> 
> On 7 Jan 2013 at 17:47, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> 
> > Thanks Stuart.  Do you know of a site where I can see a snip of VBA code
> > using it?
> > 
> > 
> > Rocky
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 5:34 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Distance Between Two Points
> > 
> > It's can be as simple as parsing the return from an http request such as 
> > 
> > http://maps.googleapis.com/maps/api/geocode/json?address=1600+Amphitheatre+P
> > arkway,
> > +Mountain+View,+CA&sensor=false
> > 
> > See
> > https://developers.google.com/maps/documentation/geocoding/index
> > 
> > One caveat:
> > 
> > Note: the Geocoding API may only be used in conjunction with a Google map;
> > geocoding results without displaying them on a map is prohibited. 
> > 
> > 
> > Alternatives:
> > 
> > https://webgis.usc.edu/Services/Default.aspx
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 7 Jan 2013 at 17:01, Doug Murphy wrote:
> > 
> > > I think others on the list have discussed ways of doing this. It can be
> > done
> > > from the Google Maps api. You need a Google developer ID or something like
> > > that to use it. It has been a while since I played with it.
> > > 
> > > Doug
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> > > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 3:56 PM
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Distance Between Two Points
> > > 
> > > Dear List:
> > >  
> > > I have a client who wants to add to his app the distance from his office
> > to
> > > various properties they appraise.  I see some code snips on the web to
> > > calculate this (as the crow flies) but is there a way to translate a
> > > complete address into latitude and longitude coordinates?
> > >  
> > > MTIA
> > >  
> > > Rocky Smolin
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > 858-259-4334
> > > www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
> > > <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> > > Skype: rocky.smolin
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Jan  7 21:12:30 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 19:12:30 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Distance Between Two Points
In-Reply-To: <50EB86BE.20374.CE3D221C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <68556B9B49A745CCB5428091EAA20A5F@HAL9007>,
	<A9043C68A2864943BDCB37D087472E23@HAL9007>,
	<50EB7F02.26957.CE1EEBC0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<50EB86BE.20374.CE3D221C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <E5C7F47D860845259A6D1D9C88904CD6@HAL9007>

Way cool.  Thank you.  I might just surprise my client! :)

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 6:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Distance Between Two Points

Here ya go - quick and dirty, but it works for me:

Type geoloc
    lat As Double
    lon As Double
End Type

Function GetGeoCode(strAddress As String) As geoloc
    Dim oHTTP As Object
    Dim lngresult As Long
    Dim strPage As String
    Dim strParam As String
    Dim lngPtr As Long
    Dim strFixedAddress As String
    Dim gl As geoloc
    strFixedAddress = Replace(strAddress, vbCrLf, "")
    strFixedAddress = Replace(strFixedAddress, " ", "+")
    strParam = "http://maps.googleapis.com/maps/api/geocode/json?address=" &
_
               strFixedAddress & "&sensor=false"
    Set oHTTP = CreateObject("Msxml2.XMLHTTP")
    lngresult = oHTTP.Open("GET", strParam, False)
    lngresult = oHTTP.Send("")
    strPage = oHTTP.Responsetext
    Set oHTTP = Nothing
    lngPtr = InStr(strPage, """location"" : {") + 20
    strPage = Mid$(strPage, lngPtr)
    lngPtr = InStr(strPage, "},")
    strPage = Left$(strPage, lngPtr)
    strPage = Replace(strPage, " ", "")
    gl.lat = Val(Mid$(strPage, 7))
    strPage = Mid$(strPage, InStr(strPage, """lng"":"))
    gl.lon = Val(Mid$(strPage, 7))
    GetGeoCode = gl
End Function

Function TestGeocode()
Dim strA As String
Dim gl As geoloc
strA = "1600 Amphitheatre Parkway, Mountain View, CA"
gl = GetGeoCode(strA)
MsgBox strA & " is as Lat: " & gl.lat & " and Lon: " & gl.lon End Function

















On 8 Jan 2013 at 12:05, Stuart McLachlan wrote:

> I've got a few similar things floating around for currency exchange 
> etc.  Give ma half an hour or so :-)
> 
> --
> Stuart
> 
> 
> On 7 Jan 2013 at 17:47, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> 
> > Thanks Stuart.  Do you know of a site where I can see a snip of VBA 
> > code using it?
> > 
> > 
> > Rocky
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart 
> > McLachlan
> > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 5:34 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Distance Between Two Points
> > 
> > It's can be as simple as parsing the return from an http request 
> > such as
> > 
> > http://maps.googleapis.com/maps/api/geocode/json?address=1600+Amphit
> > heatre+P
> > arkway,
> > +Mountain+View,+CA&sensor=false
> > 
> > See
> > https://developers.google.com/maps/documentation/geocoding/index
> > 
> > One caveat:
> > 
> > Note: the Geocoding API may only be used in conjunction with a 
> > Google map; geocoding results without displaying them on a map is
prohibited.
> > 
> > 
> > Alternatives:
> > 
> > https://webgis.usc.edu/Services/Default.aspx
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 7 Jan 2013 at 17:01, Doug Murphy wrote:
> > 
> > > I think others on the list have discussed ways of doing this. It 
> > > can be
> > done
> > > from the Google Maps api. You need a Google developer ID or 
> > > something like that to use it. It has been a while since I played with
it.
> > > 
> > > Doug
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> > > Smolin
> > > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 3:56 PM
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Distance Between Two Points
> > > 
> > > Dear List:
> > >  
> > > I have a client who wants to add to his app the distance from his 
> > > office
> > to
> > > various properties they appraise.  I see some code snips on the 
> > > web to calculate this (as the crow flies) but is there a way to 
> > > translate a complete address into latitude and longitude coordinates?
> > >  
> > > MTIA
> > >  
> > > Rocky Smolin
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > 858-259-4334
> > > www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com 
> > > <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> > > Skype: rocky.smolin
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From michael at mattysconsulting.com  Tue Jan  8 06:43:58 2013
From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys)
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 07:43:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Map in Access
In-Reply-To: <81928521D872424D9F49681B3D8A2B60@HAL9007>
References: <81928521D872424D9F49681B3D8A2B60@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <03a201cded9d$d5bceff0$8136cfd0$@mattysconsulting.com>

Hi Rocky,

Yes, the MapPoint ActiveX control can be used on an Access form.
My brother and I have been actively programming with both since 2002.
Can we help?

Michael R Mattys
Mattys Consulting, LLC
www.mattysconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 6:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Map in Access

Dear List:
 
Client wants to have a map in his access app - pan, zoom, pushpins.  Is
there such a control?
 
Does he really want MapPoint for this?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Jan  8 07:12:45 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 05:12:45 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Map in Access
In-Reply-To: <03a201cded9d$d5bceff0$8136cfd0$@mattysconsulting.com>
References: <81928521D872424D9F49681B3D8A2B60@HAL9007>
	<03a201cded9d$d5bceff0$8136cfd0$@mattysconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <978A0A05B8824BAF8C53C23E1C669B69@HAL9007>

Michael:

Thanks for the offer.  I will contact you about this in a few weeks.  Going
through a major upgrade for this client now and he raised the question on
his last wish list.  So I told him, once things settle down from the current
crop of changes, bring it up again and I'll give him a quote.

Best,

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 4:44 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Map in Access

Hi Rocky,

Yes, the MapPoint ActiveX control can be used on an Access form.
My brother and I have been actively programming with both since 2002.
Can we help?

Michael R Mattys
Mattys Consulting, LLC
www.mattysconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 6:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Map in Access

Dear List:
 
Client wants to have a map in his access app - pan, zoom, pushpins.  Is
there such a control?
 
Does he really want MapPoint for this?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From michael at mattysconsulting.com  Tue Jan  8 08:20:23 2013
From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys)
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 09:20:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Map in Access
In-Reply-To: <978A0A05B8824BAF8C53C23E1C669B69@HAL9007>
References: <81928521D872424D9F49681B3D8A2B60@HAL9007>	<03a201cded9d$d5bceff0$8136cfd0$@mattysconsulting.com>
	<978A0A05B8824BAF8C53C23E1C669B69@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <03aa01cdedab$4df932a0$e9eb97e0$@mattysconsulting.com>

Very good, Rocky.
'Looking forward to it.

Michael R Mattys
Mattys Consulting, LLC
www.mattysconsulting.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 8:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Map in Access

Michael:

Thanks for the offer.  I will contact you about this in a few weeks.  Going
through a major upgrade for this client now and he raised the question on
his last wish list.  So I told him, once things settle down from the current
crop of changes, bring it up again and I'll give him a quote.

Best,

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 4:44 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Map in Access

Hi Rocky,

Yes, the MapPoint ActiveX control can be used on an Access form.
My brother and I have been actively programming with both since 2002.
Can we help?

Michael R Mattys
Mattys Consulting, LLC
www.mattysconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 6:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Map in Access

Dear List:
 
Client wants to have a map in his access app - pan, zoom, pushpins.  Is
there such a control?
 
Does he really want MapPoint for this?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Tue Jan  8 13:43:06 2013
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 13:43:06 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] ACCESS2003 Function is not Expression
Message-ID: <201301081943.r08Jh8q9026532@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey All

Interesting, if is use 

1. First Char:Left([keyword],1) in a query grid it raises an error message.

 2. MsgBox Left(rst!keyword,1) in a recordset it works fine

 

 


From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Tue Jan  8 14:00:52 2013
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 20:00:52 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] ACCESS2003 Function is not Expression
In-Reply-To: <201301081943.r08Jh8q9026532@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <201301081943.r08Jh8q9026532@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <CALGJE96S5RABOvT8AYcTgD_zRoEQ9wcXunz6b2RMk_QgMoh-0Q@mail.gmail.com>

Just a thought, is the error with Char in Char:Left([keyword],1)

the reason off hand that I think of this is that isn't Char a reserved word
in Access ?

Paul

On 8 January 2013 19:43, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:

> Hey All
>
> Interesting, if is use
>
> 1. First Char:Left([keyword],1) in a query grid it raises an error message.
>
>  2. MsgBox Left(rst!keyword,1) in a recordset it works fine
>
>
>
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From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Tue Jan  8 14:28:23 2013
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 14:28:23 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] ACCESS2003 Function is not Expression
In-Reply-To: <CALGJE96S5RABOvT8AYcTgD_zRoEQ9wcXunz6b2RMk_QgMoh-0Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201301082028.r08KSP4w023843@databaseadvisors.com>

Thanks Paul
Doesn't seem to be causing the problem. I tried doing another query using a
different table and FLetter:Left([FName],1) and still got the error message

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hartland
Sent: January-08-13 2:01 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ACCESS2003 Function is not Expression

Just a thought, is the error with Char in Char:Left([keyword],1)

the reason off hand that I think of this is that isn't Char a reserved word
in Access ?

Paul

On 8 January 2013 19:43, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:

> Hey All
>
> Interesting, if is use
>
> 1. First Char:Left([keyword],1) in a query grid it raises an error
message.
>
>  2. MsgBox Left(rst!keyword,1) in a recordset it works fine
>
>
>
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From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Tue Jan  8 14:37:23 2013
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 20:37:23 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] ACCESS2003 Function is not Expression
In-Reply-To: <201301082028.r08KSP4w023843@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <CALGJE96S5RABOvT8AYcTgD_zRoEQ9wcXunz6b2RMk_QgMoh-0Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<201301082028.r08KSP4w023843@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <CALGJE96cymzq+tAAOsncfbQ7Zm9bj_tX=VqxBtUpdA8sehc9WA@mail.gmail.com>

Is the keyword the same name as any functions in the MDB ?

On 8 January 2013 20:28, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:

> Thanks Paul
> Doesn't seem to be causing the problem. I tried doing another query using a
> different table and FLetter:Left([FName],1) and still got the error message
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hartland
> Sent: January-08-13 2:01 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ACCESS2003 Function is not Expression
>
> Just a thought, is the error with Char in Char:Left([keyword],1)
>
> the reason off hand that I think of this is that isn't Char a reserved word
> in Access ?
>
> Paul
>
> On 8 January 2013 19:43, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:
>
> > Hey All
> >
> > Interesting, if is use
> >
> > 1. First Char:Left([keyword],1) in a query grid it raises an error
> message.
> >
> >  2. MsgBox Left(rst!keyword,1) in a recordset it works fine
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Tue Jan  8 14:47:58 2013
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 14:47:58 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] ACCESS2003 Function is not Expression
In-Reply-To: <CALGJE96cymzq+tAAOsncfbQ7Zm9bj_tX=VqxBtUpdA8sehc9WA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201301082048.r08Km1Fd005922@databaseadvisors.com>

Thanks Paul
No I have not defined/named a function KeyWord. I have a feeling the error
message is erroneous (is that the correct usage??) and something else is
triggering the problem.  

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hartland
Sent: January-08-13 2:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ACCESS2003 Function is not Expression

Is the keyword the same name as any functions in the MDB ?

On 8 January 2013 20:28, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:

> Thanks Paul
> Doesn't seem to be causing the problem. I tried doing another query using
a
> different table and FLetter:Left([FName],1) and still got the error
message
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hartland
> Sent: January-08-13 2:01 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ACCESS2003 Function is not Expression
>
> Just a thought, is the error with Char in Char:Left([keyword],1)
>
> the reason off hand that I think of this is that isn't Char a reserved
word
> in Access ?
>
> Paul
>
> On 8 January 2013 19:43, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:
>
> > Hey All
> >
> > Interesting, if is use
> >
> > 1. First Char:Left([keyword],1) in a query grid it raises an error
> message.
> >
> >  2. MsgBox Left(rst!keyword,1) in a recordset it works fine
> >
> >
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Jan  8 14:47:57 2013
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 20:47:57 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] ACCESS2003 Function is not Expression
In-Reply-To: <201301082028.r08KSP4w023843@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5C108CE6C3DC4D61BE87B16A07A35C96@MINSTER>

Hi Tony

I wish my memory was better but I've had this before and I'm pretty sure
it's one of two things. It may be cured by a Repair but if not I'm sure it's
a Reference issue. Wish I could remember which but if a Repair doesn't cure
it look at the References.

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: 08 January 2013 20:28
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ACCESS2003 Function is not Expression


Thanks Paul
Doesn't seem to be causing the problem. I tried doing another query using a
different table and FLetter:Left([FName],1) and still got the error message

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hartland
Sent: January-08-13 2:01 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ACCESS2003 Function is not Expression

Just a thought, is the error with Char in Char:Left([keyword],1)

the reason off hand that I think of this is that isn't Char a reserved word
in Access ?

Paul

On 8 January 2013 19:43, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:

> Hey All
>
> Interesting, if is use
>
> 1. First Char:Left([keyword],1) in a query grid it raises an error
message.
>
>  2. MsgBox Left(rst!keyword,1) in a recordset it works fine
>
>
>
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Tue Jan  8 14:58:13 2013
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 12:58:13 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] ACCESS2003 Function is not Expression
In-Reply-To: <201301081943.r08Jh8q9026532@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <201301081943.r08Jh8q9026532@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met8zD3GmEj9wAfnFUCTU4hsNE3zyKL-0QuWpcU48WcQxWA@mail.gmail.com>

Is keyword a field in a table or subquery in the query?  You probably need
to put the full tablename.Keyword reference in there to make it work.

Charlotte

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:

> Hey All
>
> Interesting, if is use
>
> 1. First Char:Left([keyword],1) in a query grid it raises an error message.
>
>  2. MsgBox Left(rst!keyword,1) in a recordset it works fine
>
>
>
>
>
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From jm.hwsn at gmail.com  Tue Jan  8 15:37:07 2013
From: jm.hwsn at gmail.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 15:37:07 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] ACCESS2003 Function is not Expression
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met8zD3GmEj9wAfnFUCTU4hsNE3zyKL-0QuWpcU48WcQxWA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201301081943.r08Jh8q9026532@databaseadvisors.com>
	<CAH+Met8zD3GmEj9wAfnFUCTU4hsNE3zyKL-0QuWpcU48WcQxWA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACbV_8NApX6kjVDojr7k80PFJCJXk0Sz=LF8fdzq_CZ8CpcbsQ@mail.gmail.com>

I had a similar error once and traced it to the field and a control had the
same name. Once I changed the control name to something else the error went
away.
Not sure if this is the issue though.
Jim

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Charlotte Foust
<charlotte.foust at gmail.com>wrote:

> Is keyword a field in a table or subquery in the query?  You probably need
> to put the full tablename.Keyword reference in there to make it work.
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:
>
> > Hey All
> >
> > Interesting, if is use
> >
> > 1. First Char:Left([keyword],1) in a query grid it raises an error
> message.
> >
> >  2. MsgBox Left(rst!keyword,1) in a recordset it works fine
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Tue Jan  8 17:50:39 2013
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 17:50:39 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] ACCESS2003 Function is not Expression
Message-ID: <201301082350.r08NoheA022820@databaseadvisors.com>

Thanks to all who have responded

It is a simple 

Variable response in a field in the Query Grid

eg - Something: left([Field],1)

 

I have tried the same thing using many different tables. Each query when run
generates the same error message on the client's machine (not mine).  As
mentioned I have his laptop so I can try different scenarios.

As many of you have mentioned (myself included) I have seen this before, but
thinking at the time I would never forget what caused the message I never
wrote it down. 

I do not want any cheese with my "Whine", but Windows 7 security has caused
me endless grief in my coding.  The latest being, on my install I put the
front end in a subfolder in the Program Files (or (x86) )folder, when the
program tried to do a "repair and compact on exit" a message would appear
telling me something like I did  not have ADMIN rights to do this. 

So I had to change my install location for the front end. 

 

This is "mystery meat" and I either solve it or rewrite it to come at it
from a different direction. Ask me if I am frustrated.

 

Thanks Again


From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Jan  9 03:26:05 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 10:26:05 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] ACCESS2003 Function is not Expression
Message-ID: <004701cdee4b$59a3d740$0ceb85c0$@cactus.dk>

Hi Tony

To relief your frustration, you just have to realize that your frontend is
not a program; Access is the program, your frontend is data.
The Program Files folders are not to be tampered with by non-admin users.
Use the ProgramData folder.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Tony Septav
Sendt: 9. januar 2013 00:51
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: [AccessD] ACCESS2003 Function is not Expression

Thanks to all who have responded

It is a simple 

Variable response in a field in the Query Grid

eg - Something: left([Field],1)

 

I have tried the same thing using many different tables. Each query when run
generates the same error message on the client's machine (not mine).  As
mentioned I have his laptop so I can try different scenarios.

As many of you have mentioned (myself included) I have seen this before, but
thinking at the time I would never forget what caused the message I never
wrote it down. 

I do not want any cheese with my "Whine", but Windows 7 security has caused
me endless grief in my coding.  The latest being, on my install I put the
front end in a subfolder in the Program Files (or (x86) )folder, when the
program tried to do a "repair and compact on exit" a message would appear
telling me something like I did  not have ADMIN rights to do this. 

So I had to change my install location for the front end. 

 

This is "mystery meat" and I either solve it or rewrite it to come at it
from a different direction. Ask me if I am frustrated.

 

Thanks Again 



From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Wed Jan  9 10:47:39 2013
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 10:47:39 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] ACCESS2003 Function is not Expression
In-Reply-To: <004701cdee4b$59a3d740$0ceb85c0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <201301091647.r09GlhwO025419@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey Gustav
Thanks
To be honest I never knew there was a ProgramData folder. Anyway I just
create folder on the C: drive for installation of the program.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: January-09-13 3:26 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ACCESS2003 Function is not Expression

Hi Tony

To relief your frustration, you just have to realize that your frontend is
not a program; Access is the program, your frontend is data.
The Program Files folders are not to be tampered with by non-admin users.
Use the ProgramData folder.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Tony Septav
Sendt: 9. januar 2013 00:51
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: [AccessD] ACCESS2003 Function is not Expression

Thanks to all who have responded

It is a simple 

Variable response in a field in the Query Grid

eg - Something: left([Field],1)

 

I have tried the same thing using many different tables. Each query when run
generates the same error message on the client's machine (not mine).  As
mentioned I have his laptop so I can try different scenarios.

As many of you have mentioned (myself included) I have seen this before, but
thinking at the time I would never forget what caused the message I never
wrote it down. 

I do not want any cheese with my "Whine", but Windows 7 security has caused
me endless grief in my coding.  The latest being, on my install I put the
front end in a subfolder in the Program Files (or (x86) )folder, when the
program tried to do a "repair and compact on exit" a message would appear
telling me something like I did  not have ADMIN rights to do this. 

So I had to change my install location for the front end. 

 

This is "mystery meat" and I either solve it or rewrite it to come at it
from a different direction. Ask me if I am frustrated.

 

Thanks Again 


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From garykjos at gmail.com  Wed Jan  9 13:57:22 2013
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 13:57:22 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] ACCESS2003 Function is not Expression
In-Reply-To: <201301082350.r08NoheA022820@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <201301082350.r08NoheA022820@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_p+=4xf1tqLhwt2igwg0tYTN7dwDTBc+bVprXRTzy6=huw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Tony,

Have you checked for missing references on your client's PC?

Sometimes it's a matter of changing the sequence of the references.

Here are some links that show how to check references that may be applicable.

http://www.access-diva.com/d5.html

http://allenbrowne.com/ser-38.html

http://www.pcreview.co.uk/forums/undefined-function-date-expression-t1171993.html

http://www.wiredbox.net/forum/Thread486297_Undefined_function_Date_in_expression.aspx

http://www.anysitesupport.com/access-undefined-function-right-in-expression/

GK

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:
> Thanks to all who have responded
>
> It is a simple
>
> Variable response in a field in the Query Grid
>
> eg - Something: left([Field],1)
>
>
>
> I have tried the same thing using many different tables. Each query when run
> generates the same error message on the client's machine (not mine).  As
> mentioned I have his laptop so I can try different scenarios.
>
> As many of you have mentioned (myself included) I have seen this before, but
> thinking at the time I would never forget what caused the message I never
> wrote it down.
>
> I do not want any cheese with my "Whine", but Windows 7 security has caused
> me endless grief in my coding.  The latest being, on my install I put the
> front end in a subfolder in the Program Files (or (x86) )folder, when the
> program tried to do a "repair and compact on exit" a message would appear
> telling me something like I did  not have ADMIN rights to do this.
>
> So I had to change my install location for the front end.
>
>
>
> This is "mystery meat" and I either solve it or rewrite it to come at it
> from a different direction. Ask me if I am frustrated.
>
>
>
> Thanks Again
>
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From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Wed Jan  9 14:04:37 2013
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 14:04:37 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] ACCESS2003 Function is not Expression
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_p+=4xf1tqLhwt2igwg0tYTN7dwDTBc+bVprXRTzy6=huw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201301092004.r09K4dBn019569@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey Gary
Thanks Kindly
I will do some checking. 
This thing has got me baffled. It works on my machine and the only
difference is the client's machine has Access 2010 installed.
Thanks again.

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: January-09-13 1:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ACCESS2003 Function is not Expression

Hi Tony,

Have you checked for missing references on your client's PC?

Sometimes it's a matter of changing the sequence of the references.

Here are some links that show how to check references that may be
applicable.

http://www.access-diva.com/d5.html

http://allenbrowne.com/ser-38.html

http://www.pcreview.co.uk/forums/undefined-function-date-expression-t1171993
.html

http://www.wiredbox.net/forum/Thread486297_Undefined_function_Date_in_expres
sion.aspx

http://www.anysitesupport.com/access-undefined-function-right-in-expression/

GK

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:
> Thanks to all who have responded
>
> It is a simple
>
> Variable response in a field in the Query Grid
>
> eg - Something: left([Field],1)
>
>
>
> I have tried the same thing using many different tables. Each query when
run
> generates the same error message on the client's machine (not mine).  As
> mentioned I have his laptop so I can try different scenarios.
>
> As many of you have mentioned (myself included) I have seen this before,
but
> thinking at the time I would never forget what caused the message I never
> wrote it down.
>
> I do not want any cheese with my "Whine", but Windows 7 security has
caused
> me endless grief in my coding.  The latest being, on my install I put the
> front end in a subfolder in the Program Files (or (x86) )folder, when the
> program tried to do a "repair and compact on exit" a message would appear
> telling me something like I did  not have ADMIN rights to do this.
>
> So I had to change my install location for the front end.
>
>
>
> This is "mystery meat" and I either solve it or rewrite it to come at it
> from a different direction. Ask me if I am frustrated.
>
>
>
> Thanks Again
>
> --
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Jan  9 14:43:55 2013
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2013 15:43:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ACCESS2003 Function is not Expression
In-Reply-To: <201301092004.r09K4dBn019569@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <CAJ2R_p+=4xf1tqLhwt2igwg0tYTN7dwDTBc+bVprXRTzy6=huw@mail.gmail.com>
	<201301092004.r09K4dBn019569@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <28C4879A2B3F47D7A8ABAD694C34B204@XPS>


 Generally when you see this, it's references.  However if they are broken,
it won't work anywhere else either.

 To double check, open the VBA editor, call up the debug window and type:

 ? Left("Tony",1)

 If that works, then references are OK.

 I would then try a query with a single column on that table with left() on
another field and see if it works.  If it does, then switch to the Keyword
field.

 Access 2010 BTW is a LOT picker about syntax and where/how things are used.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 03:05 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ACCESS2003 Function is not Expression

Hey Gary
Thanks Kindly
I will do some checking. 
This thing has got me baffled. It works on my machine and the only
difference is the client's machine has Access 2010 installed.
Thanks again.

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: January-09-13 1:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ACCESS2003 Function is not Expression

Hi Tony,

Have you checked for missing references on your client's PC?

Sometimes it's a matter of changing the sequence of the references.

Here are some links that show how to check references that may be
applicable.

http://www.access-diva.com/d5.html

http://allenbrowne.com/ser-38.html

http://www.pcreview.co.uk/forums/undefined-function-date-expression-t1171993
.html

http://www.wiredbox.net/forum/Thread486297_Undefined_function_Date_in_expres
sion.aspx

http://www.anysitesupport.com/access-undefined-function-right-in-expression/

GK

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:
> Thanks to all who have responded
>
> It is a simple
>
> Variable response in a field in the Query Grid
>
> eg - Something: left([Field],1)
>
>
>
> I have tried the same thing using many different tables. Each query when
run
> generates the same error message on the client's machine (not mine).  As
> mentioned I have his laptop so I can try different scenarios.
>
> As many of you have mentioned (myself included) I have seen this before,
but
> thinking at the time I would never forget what caused the message I never
> wrote it down.
>
> I do not want any cheese with my "Whine", but Windows 7 security has
caused
> me endless grief in my coding.  The latest being, on my install I put the
> front end in a subfolder in the Program Files (or (x86) )folder, when the
> program tried to do a "repair and compact on exit" a message would appear
> telling me something like I did  not have ADMIN rights to do this.
>
> So I had to change my install location for the front end.
>
>
>
> This is "mystery meat" and I either solve it or rewrite it to come at it
> from a different direction. Ask me if I am frustrated.
>
>
>
> Thanks Again
>
> --
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Wed Jan  9 14:51:59 2013
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 12:51:59 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] ACCESS2003 Function is not Expression
In-Reply-To: <28C4879A2B3F47D7A8ABAD694C34B204@XPS>
References: <CAJ2R_p+=4xf1tqLhwt2igwg0tYTN7dwDTBc+bVprXRTzy6=huw@mail.gmail.com>
	<201301092004.r09K4dBn019569@databaseadvisors.com>
	<28C4879A2B3F47D7A8ABAD694C34B204@XPS>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWZHS=NBRC4FE2+4MJfU5PBPtgARq2iK4ENxygqwJxGyLw@mail.gmail.com>

I've seen weird things like this when there was a compile error somewhere
else.

Try going into VBA and compiling your code. It will bring up anything that
has issues.

D


On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>  Generally when you see this, it's references.  However if they are broken,
> it won't work anywhere else either.
>
>  To double check, open the VBA editor, call up the debug window and type:
>
>  ? Left("Tony",1)
>
>  If that works, then references are OK.
>
>  I would then try a query with a single column on that table with left() on
> another field and see if it works.  If it does, then switch to the Keyword
> field.
>
>  Access 2010 BTW is a LOT picker about syntax and where/how things are
> used.
>
>

From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Wed Jan  9 16:31:26 2013
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 11:31:26 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Command Button Ghosting
Message-ID: <002d01cdeeb9$0ff187a0$2fd496e0$@dalyn.co.nz>

Team,

 

I have a number of databases that are in 2002 format but are running on
2010.  They are both mdb and adp format.

 

I have a problem with buttons that have embedded pictures.  Whenever a
button is clicked then a ghost outline of the button appears in the top left
hand corner of the form.

 

I have read Helen Feddema's Access Archon column and tried her tips but none
have worked.

 

Even creating a new mdb in Access 2010 and creating a new button causes the
same problem.  Accdb formats don't have the problem.

 

The only solutions I have found  for mdb/adp formats are:

 

1) Use linked pictures instead of embedded ones., or

 

2) Not use pictures at all.

 

Has anyone else come up with a better solution?  Ideally it would be nice to
embed a picture onto a button and not have the ghosting on my previous
format databases (like they used to work).  Am I asking too much of
Microsoft?

 

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand

 

 

 


From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Thu Jan 10 13:44:33 2013
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 13:44:33 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Off Topic
Message-ID: <201301101944.r0AJia59022985@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey All

 

Okay you bubba boys (sorry Charlotte and Susan) check out the Nerds
Calendar. 

 

Tony Septav 

Nanaimo, BC

Canada

 


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Thu Jan 10 13:57:40 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 11:57:40 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Off Topic
In-Reply-To: <201301101944.r0AJia59022985@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <201301101944.r0AJia59022985@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <C3F35217-C437-46F3-9FE9-D156DFC6DF0F@phulse.com>

Where would I find it?

Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen


On 10 Jan 2013, at 11:44, "Tony Septav" <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:

> Hey All
> 
> 
> 
> Okay you bubba boys (sorry Charlotte and Susan) check out the Nerds
> Calendar. 
> 
> 
> 
> Tony Septav 
> 
> Nanaimo, BC
> 
> Canada
> 
> 
> 
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From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Thu Jan 10 14:05:30 2013
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:05:30 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Off Topic
In-Reply-To: <C3F35217-C437-46F3-9FE9-D156DFC6DF0F@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <201301102005.r0AK5Xq6005614@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey Hans
Do a search, it is funny.

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Andersen
Sent: January-10-13 1:58 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off Topic

Where would I find it?

Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen


On 10 Jan 2013, at 11:44, "Tony Septav" <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:

> Hey All
> 
> 
> 
> Okay you bubba boys (sorry Charlotte and Susan) check out the Nerds
> Calendar. 
> 
> 
> 
> Tony Septav 
> 
> Nanaimo, BC
> 
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> 
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Jan 10 14:16:25 2013
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:16:25 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Off Topic
In-Reply-To: <201301102005.r0AK5Xq6005614@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <C3F35217-C437-46F3-9FE9-D156DFC6DF0F@phulse.com>
	<201301102005.r0AK5Xq6005614@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pKOKWqr7MepgJh-y7p428sA14Jn812mPUK=tPnPV1vSvA@mail.gmail.com>

Google returns "About 3,340,000 results"

I think you need to guide us a little more there Tony.

GK

On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:
> Hey Hans
> Do a search, it is funny.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
> Andersen
> Sent: January-10-13 1:58 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off Topic
>
> Where would I find it?
>
> Best regards,
> Hans-Christian Andersen
>
>
> On 10 Jan 2013, at 11:44, "Tony Septav" <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey All
>>
>>
>>
>> Okay you bubba boys (sorry Charlotte and Susan) check out the Nerds
>> Calendar.
>>
>>
>>
>> Tony Septav
>>
>> Nanaimo, BC
>>
>> Canada
>>
>>
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From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Fri Jan 11 10:02:16 2013
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 10:02:16 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Off Topic
Message-ID: <201301111602.r0BG2JwP022533@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey All

http://www.nerd-dreams.com/

 


From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Fri Jan 11 13:24:19 2013
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 13:24:19 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Problems Exporting to PDF with Access Runtime
References: <201301111602.r0BG2JwP022533@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501801AC0@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

All,

I have a small Access 2007 application that reads a CSV file and creates
a single report.  The report is exported in PDF format with this code -




DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, _
Str_Report_Name, _
"PDFFormat(*.pdf)", _
str_Generated_Report_File_Name, _
False, _
 "", _
0, _
acExportQualityPrint




When running with the full version of Access (accdb), everything works
nicely, every time it is run.  

The end-users only have Access Runtime. 

When using Runtime mode, exporting the report to the PDF file will often
fail.  Not all of the time, but most of the time. 

When it fails, the first page of the report is shown correctly.
However, the second page of the report has "#error" in all of the
fields.

I am really puzzled.  Any help or insights would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Brad


From dw-murphy at cox.net  Fri Jan 11 14:03:04 2013
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 12:03:04 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Problems Exporting to PDF with Access Runtime
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501801AC0@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <201301111602.r0BG2JwP022533@databaseadvisors.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501801AC0@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <00b001cdf036$aa77a380$ff66ea80$@cox.net>

As I recollect there was some legal issue with pdf in Access 2007 so you had
to download or add in something to make it work. It may be that you need
this added to your runtime installer. Not sure of all this but it is a vague
recollection.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 11:24 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Problems Exporting to PDF with Access Runtime

All,

I have a small Access 2007 application that reads a CSV file and creates a
single report.  The report is exported in PDF format with this code -




DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, _
Str_Report_Name, _
"PDFFormat(*.pdf)", _
str_Generated_Report_File_Name, _
False, _
 "", _
0, _
acExportQualityPrint




When running with the full version of Access (accdb), everything works
nicely, every time it is run.  

The end-users only have Access Runtime. 

When using Runtime mode, exporting the report to the PDF file will often
fail.  Not all of the time, but most of the time. 

When it fails, the first page of the report is shown correctly.
However, the second page of the report has "#error" in all of the fields.

I am really puzzled.  Any help or insights would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Brad

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Jan 11 15:51:59 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 13:51:59 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] 32 bit mde incompatible with 64 bit office
Message-ID: <F172C0089C4545C8935632C4AF74F499@HAL9007>

Dear List:
 
I have a report from a potential customer who tried to run my 2003 mde
compiled on 32bit system and says it won't because they have 64 bit Office
installed.
 
I would think it to be backward compatible but it is MS - no telling what
they'll do next.
 
Can this be?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Fri Jan 11 15:57:35 2013
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 15:57:35 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Problems Exporting to PDF with Access Runtime
References: <201301111602.r0BG2JwP022533@databaseadvisors.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501801AC0@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<00b001cdf036$aa77a380$ff66ea80$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501801B51@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

Doug,

Thanks for the help.  There might be some legal issues with PDF and
Access 2007 - not sure.

I conducted many tests and did some more research on the web.  I ran
across this quote. 

"apparently in the runtime version you must have the report open first
before you can export it through VBA, in the full version that's not the
case"

Based on this info, I added a "OpenReport" before the Export to PDF, and
a Close of the report after the Export.

The results from my initial tests look promising.

Brad
  




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 2:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Problems Exporting to PDF with Access Runtime

As I recollect there was some legal issue with pdf in Access 2007 so you
had
to download or add in something to make it work. It may be that you need
this added to your runtime installer. Not sure of all this but it is a
vague
recollection.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 11:24 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Problems Exporting to PDF with Access Runtime

All,

I have a small Access 2007 application that reads a CSV file and creates
a
single report.  The report is exported in PDF format with this code -




DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, _
Str_Report_Name, _
"PDFFormat(*.pdf)", _
str_Generated_Report_File_Name, _
False, _
 "", _
0, _
acExportQualityPrint




When running with the full version of Access (accdb), everything works
nicely, every time it is run.  

The end-users only have Access Runtime. 

When using Runtime mode, exporting the report to the PDF file will often
fail.  Not all of the time, but most of the time. 

When it fails, the first page of the report is shown correctly.
However, the second page of the report has "#error" in all of the
fields.

I am really puzzled.  Any help or insights would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Brad

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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Jan 11 16:56:35 2013
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:56:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 32 bit mde incompatible with 64 bit office
In-Reply-To: <F172C0089C4545C8935632C4AF74F499@HAL9007>
References: <F172C0089C4545C8935632C4AF74F499@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <08A2CF3B86A040948017753BADA67903@XPS>


<<I have a report from a potential customer who tried to run my 2003 mde
compiled on 32bit system and says it won't because they have 64 bit Office
installed.>>

 Quite possible.  If you have made API calls or use 32 bit
references/add-ins, then yup it's not gonna fly.

<<I would think it to be backward compatible but it is MS - no telling what
they'll do next.>>

  It's not MS; any 32 bit app placed in a 64 bit situation would not work.

  Just to be clear, you can run a 32bit DB in a 32bit or 64 bit OS, but if
you have 64 bit Office installed, the assumption is that the DB was written
with 64 bit's in mind.

  In fact you can get the same DB to run in 32 or 64 bit Office even if it
has API calls (you need to use complier directives to tell it what applies
to 32 bit situations and what applies to 64).

   But do him a favor and tell him to un-install it and put in 32 bit
Office.  The only thing it gets you is extremely large Excel spreadsheets.
There are few add-ins or com components for 64 bit Office.  In fact
Microsoft is still recommending everyone install 32 bit Office unless there
is a very specific need for the 64 bit version.

  Here's a better one I just caught wind of: Microsoft now states
unequivocally that Office 2003 is not compatible with Windows 8 and will not
run properly under it.  You must upgrade Office if you move to Windows 8
(outside of using a VM of course).

Jim.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 04:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] 32 bit mde incompatible with 64 bit office

Dear List:
 
I have a report from a potential customer who tried to run my 2003 mde
compiled on 32bit system and says it won't because they have 64 bit Office
installed.
 
I would think it to be backward compatible but it is MS - no telling what
they'll do next.
 
Can this be?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Fri Jan 11 17:09:21 2013
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 15:09:21 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] 32 bit mde incompatible with 64 bit office
In-Reply-To: <F172C0089C4545C8935632C4AF74F499@HAL9007>
References: <F172C0089C4545C8935632C4AF74F499@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <00c001cdf050$b0d5e470$1281ad50$@cox.net>

Rocky,

It is. Take a look at
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee691831%28loband%29.aspx#odc_office
2010_Compatibility32bit64bit_IntroducingVBA7CodeBase if you want to get
discouraged.

I have a customer with the 64 bit version of Office and we had to do several
things to get his database working again. I'd install the 32 bit runtime and
not fight the 64 bit challenge if this is a one time thing.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 1:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] 32 bit mde incompatible with 64 bit office

Dear List:
 
I have a report from a potential customer who tried to run my 2003 mde
compiled on 32bit system and says it won't because they have 64 bit Office
installed.
 
I would think it to be backward compatible but it is MS - no telling what
they'll do next.
 
Can this be?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Jan 11 19:23:50 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:23:50 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] 32 bit mde incompatible with 64 bit office
In-Reply-To: <08A2CF3B86A040948017753BADA67903@XPS>
References: <F172C0089C4545C8935632C4AF74F499@HAL9007>
	<08A2CF3B86A040948017753BADA67903@XPS>
Message-ID: <7551318E78C04B249505F5700EB96EF2@HAL9007>

Thanks - will forward.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 2:57 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] 32 bit mde incompatible with 64 bit office


<<I have a report from a potential customer who tried to run my 2003 mde
compiled on 32bit system and says it won't because they have 64 bit Office
installed.>>

 Quite possible.  If you have made API calls or use 32 bit
references/add-ins, then yup it's not gonna fly.

<<I would think it to be backward compatible but it is MS - no telling what
they'll do next.>>

  It's not MS; any 32 bit app placed in a 64 bit situation would not work.

  Just to be clear, you can run a 32bit DB in a 32bit or 64 bit OS, but if
you have 64 bit Office installed, the assumption is that the DB was written
with 64 bit's in mind.

  In fact you can get the same DB to run in 32 or 64 bit Office even if it
has API calls (you need to use complier directives to tell it what applies
to 32 bit situations and what applies to 64).

   But do him a favor and tell him to un-install it and put in 32 bit
Office.  The only thing it gets you is extremely large Excel spreadsheets.
There are few add-ins or com components for 64 bit Office.  In fact
Microsoft is still recommending everyone install 32 bit Office unless there
is a very specific need for the 64 bit version.

  Here's a better one I just caught wind of: Microsoft now states
unequivocally that Office 2003 is not compatible with Windows 8 and will not
run properly under it.  You must upgrade Office if you move to Windows 8
(outside of using a VM of course).

Jim.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 04:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] 32 bit mde incompatible with 64 bit office

Dear List:
 
I have a report from a potential customer who tried to run my 2003 mde
compiled on 32bit system and says it won't because they have 64 bit Office
installed.
 
I would think it to be backward compatible but it is MS - no telling what
they'll do next.
 
Can this be?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Jan 11 19:37:30 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:37:30 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] 32 bit mde incompatible with 64 bit office
In-Reply-To: <00c001cdf050$b0d5e470$1281ad50$@cox.net>
References: <F172C0089C4545C8935632C4AF74F499@HAL9007>
	<00c001cdf050$b0d5e470$1281ad50$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <8036E769122D4036912DA4864290A5C2@HAL9007>

Thanks, Doug.  I think I'll send him the run-time install.  That, hopefully,
will work him around the problem.

R 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 3:09 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] 32 bit mde incompatible with 64 bit office

Rocky,

It is. Take a look at
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee691831%28loband%29.aspx#odc_office
2010_Compatibility32bit64bit_IntroducingVBA7CodeBase if you want to get
discouraged.

I have a customer with the 64 bit version of Office and we had to do several
things to get his database working again. I'd install the 32 bit runtime and
not fight the 64 bit challenge if this is a one time thing.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 1:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] 32 bit mde incompatible with 64 bit office

Dear List:
 
I have a report from a potential customer who tried to run my 2003 mde
compiled on 32bit system and says it won't because they have 64 bit Office
installed.
 
I would think it to be backward compatible but it is MS - no telling what
they'll do next.
 
Can this be?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Sat Jan 12 19:25:04 2013
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 20:25:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 32 bit mde incompatible with 64 bit office
In-Reply-To: <00c001cdf050$b0d5e470$1281ad50$@cox.net>
References: <F172C0089C4545C8935632C4AF74F499@HAL9007>
	<00c001cdf050$b0d5e470$1281ad50$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <007a01cdf12c$d191c9e0$74b55da0$@net>

The big, BIG issue for me is (and has always been)...
WHAT IS THE BIG ADVANTAGE OF THE 64 BIT VERSION ?
Once again, MSFT disappoints with poor tech info.
I mean, they should have EXPLICITLY demonstrated the advantages of 64 bit
office.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 6:09 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] 32 bit mde incompatible with 64 bit office
>
> Rocky,
>
> It is. Take a look at
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-
> us/library/ee691831%28loband%29.aspx#odc_office
> 2010_Compatibility32bit64bit_IntroducingVBA7CodeBase if you want to get
> discouraged.
>
> I have a customer with the 64 bit version of Office and we had to do
> several
> things to get his database working again. I'd install the 32 bit
> runtime and
> not fight the 64 bit challenge if this is a one time thing.
>
> Doug
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 1:52 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] 32 bit mde incompatible with 64 bit office
>
> Dear List:
>
> I have a report from a potential customer who tried to run my 2003 mde
> compiled on 32bit system and says it won't because they have 64 bit
> Office
> installed.
>
> I would think it to be backward compatible but it is MS - no telling
> what
> they'll do next.
>
> Can this be?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Sat Jan 12 19:27:25 2013
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 20:27:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Problems Exporting to PDF with Access Runtime
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501801AC0@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <201301111602.r0BG2JwP022533@databaseadvisors.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501801AC0@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <007b01cdf12d$25e8f9a0$71baece0$@net>

Did you try changing to a lower quality ?
Print quality really not needed for most applications.
BTW: I experienced the same recently....PDF failed, but XPS format option
succeeded....despite it being a much larger size...
Go figure.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 2:24 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Problems Exporting to PDF with Access Runtime
>
> All,
>
> I have a small Access 2007 application that reads a CSV file and
> creates
> a single report.  The report is exported in PDF format with this code -
>
>
>
>
> DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, _
> Str_Report_Name, _
> "PDFFormat(*.pdf)", _
> str_Generated_Report_File_Name, _
> False, _
>  "", _
> 0, _
> acExportQualityPrint
>
>
>
>
> When running with the full version of Access (accdb), everything works
> nicely, every time it is run.
>
> The end-users only have Access Runtime.
>
> When using Runtime mode, exporting the report to the PDF file will
> often
> fail.  Not all of the time, but most of the time.
>
> When it fails, the first page of the report is shown correctly.
> However, the second page of the report has "#error" in all of the
> fields.
>
> I am really puzzled.  Any help or insights would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Jan 13 01:04:18 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 02:04:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 32 bit mde incompatible with 64 bit office
In-Reply-To: <007a01cdf12c$d191c9e0$74b55da0$@net>
References: <F172C0089C4545C8935632C4AF74F499@HAL9007>
	<00c001cdf050$b0d5e470$1281ad50$@cox.net>
	<007a01cdf12c$d191c9e0$74b55da0$@net>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1ga=jMR=R9uOuVnwKHd78cnRTT3Jz=yVi7=Hc=vvJHj3A@mail.gmail.com>

There is only one, and that is the huge spreadsheets available in Excel-64.
Aside from that, there are zero advantages.

A.

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Jan 13 02:33:08 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 18:33:08 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] 32 bit mde incompatible with 64 bit office
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1ga=jMR=R9uOuVnwKHd78cnRTT3Jz=yVi7=Hc=vvJHj3A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F172C0089C4545C8935632C4AF74F499@HAL9007>,
	<007a01cdf12c$d191c9e0$74b55da0$@net>,
	<CAEPJO1ga=jMR=R9uOuVnwKHd78cnRTT3Jz=yVi7=Hc=vvJHj3A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50F27144.11222.E94147A3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

More to the point, there are a number of disadvantages to 64bit Office:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/ee691831%28v=office.14%29.aspx

There are two fundamental issues when you run existing solutions with the 64-bit version of 
Office 2010:

    Native 64-bit processes in Office 2010 cannot load 32-bit binaries. This is expected to be a 
common issue when you have existing Microsoft ActiveX controls and existing add-ins,

    VBA previously did not have a pointer data type and because of this, developers used 
32-bit variables to store pointers and handles. These variables now truncate 64-bit values 
returned by API calls when using Declare statements.

...

Existing 32-bit ActiveX controls, both third-party and Microsoft-supplied, are not compatible 
with the 64-bit version of Office 2010. For ActiveX controls and COM objects, there are three 
possible solutions:

    If you have the source code, you can generate a 64-bit version yourself,

    You can contact the vendor for an updated version,

    You can search for an alternative solution.

Native 64-bit processes in Office 2010 cannot load 32-bit binaries. This includes the common 
controls of MSComCtl (TabStrip, Toolbar, StatusBar, ProgressBar, TreeView, ListViews, 
ImageList, Slider, ImageComboBox) and the controls of MSComCt2 (Animation, UpDown, 
MonthView, DateTimePicker, FlatScrollBar).These controls were installed by previous 
versions of Microsoft Office and are installed by 32-bit Office 2010. An alternative must be 
found for existing Microsoft Office VBA solutions that utilize these controls when the code is 
migrated to 64-bit Office 2010. 64-bit Office 2010 does not provide 64-bit versions of the 
Common Controls.




On 13 Jan 2013 at 2:04, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> There is only one, and that is the huge spreadsheets available in Excel-64.
> Aside from that, there are zero advantages.
> 
> A.
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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Sun Jan 13 16:17:05 2013
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 16:17:05 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Problems Exporting to PDF with Access Runtime
References: <201301111602.r0BG2JwP022533@databaseadvisors.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501801AC0@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<007b01cdf12d$25e8f9a0$71baece0$@net>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B385@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

Mark,

Thanks for the assistance.

I learned that to export a report to a PDF file (with Access Runtime) it appears that the report needs to be Opened before the Export and then Closed after the Export. 

This is not needed for the Full Version of Access, however.

Brad   


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Mark Simms
Sent: Sat 1/12/2013 7:27 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Problems Exporting to PDF with Access Runtime
 
Did you try changing to a lower quality ?
Print quality really not needed for most applications.
BTW: I experienced the same recently....PDF failed, but XPS format option
succeeded....despite it being a much larger size...
Go figure.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 2:24 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Problems Exporting to PDF with Access Runtime
>
> All,
>
> I have a small Access 2007 application that reads a CSV file and
> creates
> a single report.  The report is exported in PDF format with this code -
>
>
>
>
> DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, _
> Str_Report_Name, _
> "PDFFormat(*.pdf)", _
> str_Generated_Report_File_Name, _
> False, _
>  "", _
> 0, _
> acExportQualityPrint
>
>
>
>
> When running with the full version of Access (accdb), everything works
> nicely, every time it is run.
>
> The end-users only have Access Runtime.
>
> When using Runtime mode, exporting the report to the PDF file will
> often
> fail.  Not all of the time, but most of the time.
>
> When it fails, the first page of the report is shown correctly.
> However, the second page of the report has "#error" in all of the
> fields.
>
> I am really puzzled.  Any help or insights would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Mon Jan 14 06:49:31 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 07:49:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Problems Exporting to PDF with Access Runtime
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B385@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <201301111602.r0BG2JwP022533@databaseadvisors.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501801AC0@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<007b01cdf12d$25e8f9a0$71baece0$@net>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B385@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V4ToURTYUT4BOUgmLXtL-T1ofrJ_S-KyiT65ZV9dQ5VsA@mail.gmail.com>

>>then Closed after the Export.

Is that part really required?

On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com>wrote:

> I learned that to export a report to a PDF file (with Access Runtime) it
> appears that the report needs to be Opened before the Export and then
> Closed after the Export.
>




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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Mon Jan 14 09:19:24 2013
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 09:19:24 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Problems Exporting to PDF with Access Runtime
References: <201301111602.r0BG2JwP022533@databaseadvisors.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501801AC0@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><007b01cdf12d$25e8f9a0$71baece0$@net><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B385@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<CAGuQ9V4ToURTYUT4BOUgmLXtL-T1ofrJ_S-KyiT65ZV9dQ5VsA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B386@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

William,

>From my testing and from some posts on the internet, I believe that it is.

I suppose that there could be something unique about the report that I am trying to export, but I can't really see what that would be.

Brad


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Sent: Mon 1/14/2013 6:49 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Problems Exporting to PDF with Access Runtime
 
>>then Closed after the Export.

Is that part really required?

On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com>wrote:

> I learned that to export a report to a PDF file (with Access Runtime) it
> appears that the report needs to be Opened before the Export and then
> Closed after the Export.
>




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From marksimms at verizon.net  Mon Jan 14 11:27:50 2013
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:27:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 32 bit mde incompatible with 64 bit office
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1ga=jMR=R9uOuVnwKHd78cnRTT3Jz=yVi7=Hc=vvJHj3A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F172C0089C4545C8935632C4AF74F499@HAL9007>
	<00c001cdf050$b0d5e470$1281ad50$@cox.net>
	<007a01cdf12c$d191c9e0$74b55da0$@net>
	<CAEPJO1ga=jMR=R9uOuVnwKHd78cnRTT3Jz=yVi7=Hc=vvJHj3A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006b01cdf27c$7acf87e0$706e97a0$@net>

Huge...hmmm. I wonder if anyone has quantified this ?
One thing I want to be sure of: 64 bit provides no additional processing
speed, correct ?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 2:04 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] 32 bit mde incompatible with 64 bit office
>
> There is only one, and that is the huge spreadsheets available in
> Excel-64.
> Aside from that, there are zero advantages.
>
> A.
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Jan 14 11:51:53 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 09:51:53 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3188 Could not update;
	currently locked by another session on this machine
Message-ID: <AED109A09C714830BF18CC6AFDDCB69F@HAL9007>

Dear List:
 
I have an app generating the subject error when trying to delete a record.
I'm running this locally (FE and BE) and I'm the only one running it.
 
The previous version of this app does not have the error.  So something I
changed in the process of doing the client's latest wish list created it.
 
I imported the opening form, main menu, and form that throws the error, and
a module of Public functions from the previous version which works and it
still generates the error.  So it's not in those forms or module.
 
(No unfortunately, I did not document each of my changes. :(((( )
 
the code is pretty simple:
 
Private Sub cmdDelete_Click()
 
On Error GoTo IsIt3200:
 
intReply = MsgBox("Are you absolutely certain that you want to delete this
Company record?", vbYesNo)
If intReply = vbNo Then Exit Sub
 
DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdDeleteRecord
 
Me.cboCompanies.Requery
 
Exit Sub
 
IsIt3200:
 
If Err.Number = 3200 Then
    MsgBox "Company cannot be deleted as it is being used in one or more
Jobs/Bids", vbExclamation
    Exit Sub
Else
    MsgBox "Error: " & Err.Number & " - " & Err.Description
    Call cmdExit_Click
End If
 
End Sub
 
trapping the condition if the company PK is an FK in any Job in tblJobs.  So
I tried using db.Execute like this:
 
Private Sub cmdDelete_Click()
 
On Error GoTo IsIt3200:
 
intReply = MsgBox("Are you absolutely certain that you want to delete this
Company record?", vbYesNo)
If intReply = vbNo Then Exit Sub
 
Set db = CurrentDb
db.Execute "Delete * FROM tblCompany WHERE CompanyID = " & Me.CompanyID
Me.Requery
 
DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdDeleteRecord
 
Me.cboCompanies.Requery
 
Exit Sub
 
IsIt3200:
 
If Err.Number = 3200 Then
    MsgBox "Company cannot be deleted as it is being used in one or more
Jobs/Bids", vbExclamation
    Exit Sub
Else
    MsgBox "Error: " & Err.Number & " - " & Err.Description
    Call cmdExit_Click
End If
 
End Sub
'
 
Generates no error but doesn't delete the record. 
 
Any ideas what I might have done to break my app?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Mon Jan 14 12:13:12 2013
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 10:13:12 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3188 Could not update;
 currently locked by another session on this machine
In-Reply-To: <AED109A09C714830BF18CC6AFDDCB69F@HAL9007>
References: <AED109A09C714830BF18CC6AFDDCB69F@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9=DydJc6wcrDS4vFSqTR9Xbfw7zU63h5MNFOX-XW1kTg@mail.gmail.com>

Rocky,

Which record is not being deleted?  You're doing two deletes, so does
either one work?  If not, do you have relationships defined in both front
and back end?  Are both tables in the back end or is one local?  Are there
any other relationships to tblCompany that might prevent the operation?

Charlotte



On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> Dear List:
>
> I have an app generating the subject error when trying to delete a record.
> I'm running this locally (FE and BE) and I'm the only one running it.
>
> The previous version of this app does not have the error.  So something I
> changed in the process of doing the client's latest wish list created it.
>
> I imported the opening form, main menu, and form that throws the error, and
> a module of Public functions from the previous version which works and it
> still generates the error.  So it's not in those forms or module.
>
> (No unfortunately, I did not document each of my changes. :(((( )
>
> the code is pretty simple:
>
> Private Sub cmdDelete_Click()
>
> On Error GoTo IsIt3200:
>
> intReply = MsgBox("Are you absolutely certain that you want to delete this
> Company record?", vbYesNo)
> If intReply = vbNo Then Exit Sub
>
> DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdDeleteRecord
>
> Me.cboCompanies.Requery
>
> Exit Sub
>
> IsIt3200:
>
> If Err.Number = 3200 Then
>     MsgBox "Company cannot be deleted as it is being used in one or more
> Jobs/Bids", vbExclamation
>     Exit Sub
> Else
>     MsgBox "Error: " & Err.Number & " - " & Err.Description
>     Call cmdExit_Click
> End If
>
> End Sub
>
> trapping the condition if the company PK is an FK in any Job in tblJobs.
>  So
> I tried using db.Execute like this:
>
> Private Sub cmdDelete_Click()
>
> On Error GoTo IsIt3200:
>
> intReply = MsgBox("Are you absolutely certain that you want to delete this
> Company record?", vbYesNo)
> If intReply = vbNo Then Exit Sub
>
> Set db = CurrentDb
> db.Execute "Delete * FROM tblCompany WHERE CompanyID = " & Me.CompanyID
> Me.Requery
>
> DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdDeleteRecord
>
> Me.cboCompanies.Requery
>
> Exit Sub
>
> IsIt3200:
>
> If Err.Number = 3200 Then
>     MsgBox "Company cannot be deleted as it is being used in one or more
> Jobs/Bids", vbExclamation
>     Exit Sub
> Else
>     MsgBox "Error: " & Err.Number & " - " & Err.Description
>     Call cmdExit_Click
> End If
>
> End Sub
> '
>
> Generates no error but doesn't delete the record.
>
> Any ideas what I might have done to break my app?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/>
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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Mon Jan 14 12:21:16 2013
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 07:21:16 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3188 Could not update;
	currently locked by another session on this machine
In-Reply-To: <AED109A09C714830BF18CC6AFDDCB69F@HAL9007>
References: <AED109A09C714830BF18CC6AFDDCB69F@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <001501cdf283$f1b6d0a0$d52471e0$@dalyn.co.nz>

Rocky,

 

It may be a paste error but in your second example you have the lines:

 

Set db = CurrentDb

db.Execute "Delete * FROM tblCompany WHERE CompanyID = " & Me.CompanyID
Me.Requery

DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdDeleteRecord

Me.cboCompanies.Requery

 

 

Should the "Me.Requery" be at the end of the db.Execute?

 

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, 15 January 2013 6:52 a.m.
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3188 Could not update; currently locked by another
session on this machine

 

Dear List:

I have an app generating the subject error when trying to delete a record.

I'm running this locally (FE and BE) and I'm the only one running it.

The previous version of this app does not have the error.  So something I
changed in the process of doing the client's latest wish list created it.

I imported the opening form, main menu, and form that throws the error, and
a module of Public functions from the previous version which works and it
still generates the error.  So it's not in those forms or module.

(No unfortunately, I did not document each of my changes. :(((( )

the code is pretty simple:

Private Sub cmdDelete_Click()

On Error GoTo IsIt3200:

intReply = MsgBox("Are you absolutely certain that you want to delete this
Company record?", vbYesNo) If intReply = vbNo Then Exit Sub

DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdDeleteRecord

Me.cboCompanies.Requery

Exit Sub

IsIt3200:

If Err.Number = 3200 Then

    MsgBox "Company cannot be deleted as it is being used in one or more
Jobs/Bids", vbExclamation

    Exit Sub

Else

    MsgBox "Error: " & Err.Number & " - " & Err.Description

    Call cmdExit_Click

End If

End Sub

trapping the condition if the company PK is an FK in any Job in tblJobs.  So
I tried using db.Execute like this:

Private Sub cmdDelete_Click()

On Error GoTo IsIt3200:

intReply = MsgBox("Are you absolutely certain that you want to delete this
Company record?", vbYesNo) If intReply = vbNo Then Exit Sub

Set db = CurrentDb

db.Execute "Delete * FROM tblCompany WHERE CompanyID = " & Me.CompanyID
Me.Requery

DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdDeleteRecord

Me.cboCompanies.Requery

Exit Sub

IsIt3200:

If Err.Number = 3200 Then

    MsgBox "Company cannot be deleted as it is being used in one or more
Jobs/Bids", vbExclamation

    Exit Sub

Else

    MsgBox "Error: " & Err.Number & " - " & Err.Description

    Call cmdExit_Click

End If

End Sub

'

Generates no error but doesn't delete the record. 

 

Any ideas what I might have done to break my app?

MTIA

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

858-259-4334

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Jan 14 12:33:49 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 10:33:49 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3188 Could not update;
	currently locked by another session on this machine
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9=DydJc6wcrDS4vFSqTR9Xbfw7zU63h5MNFOX-XW1kTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AED109A09C714830BF18CC6AFDDCB69F@HAL9007>
	<CAH+Met9=DydJc6wcrDS4vFSqTR9Xbfw7zU63h5MNFOX-XW1kTg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B3BCE975154A4B0497CDF11B6F5AFCC2@HAL9007>

I forgot the comment out of the line "DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdDeleteRecord" on
the second version.  In the program there was only one delete happening in
each version.  Neither one works.  

In the first version with Docmd.RunCommand, I get the error 3188.  In the
second version with db.Execute I get no error - can step right through the
code - but the record is not deleted.  Only one table is involved.  

BTW - the form is bound to tblCompany.

The PK of the table I'm trying to delete the record from appears as an FK in
two tables - tblPerson and tblBidJob.  The relationship to tblPerson has
Cascade Delete set to true.  The link to tblBidJob does not.  

If I set both links to Cascade Delete = True I get the same error
If I set both links to Cascade Delete = False I still get the error.

Thanks and HTH

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com
www.e-z-mrp.com
Skype: rocky.smolin
 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 10:13 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 3188 Could not update; currently locked by
another session on this machine

Rocky,

Which record is not being deleted?  You're doing two deletes, so does either
one work?  If not, do you have relationships defined in both front and back
end?  Are both tables in the back end or is one local?  Are there any other
relationships to tblCompany that might prevent the operation?

Charlotte



On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> Dear List:
>
> I have an app generating the subject error when trying to delete a record.
> I'm running this locally (FE and BE) and I'm the only one running it.
>
> The previous version of this app does not have the error.  So 
> something I changed in the process of doing the client's latest wish list
created it.
>
> I imported the opening form, main menu, and form that throws the 
> error, and a module of Public functions from the previous version 
> which works and it still generates the error.  So it's not in those forms
or module.
>
> (No unfortunately, I did not document each of my changes. :(((( )
>
> the code is pretty simple:
>
> Private Sub cmdDelete_Click()
>
> On Error GoTo IsIt3200:
>
> intReply = MsgBox("Are you absolutely certain that you want to delete 
> this Company record?", vbYesNo) If intReply = vbNo Then Exit Sub
>
> DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdDeleteRecord
>
> Me.cboCompanies.Requery
>
> Exit Sub
>
> IsIt3200:
>
> If Err.Number = 3200 Then
>     MsgBox "Company cannot be deleted as it is being used in one or 
> more Jobs/Bids", vbExclamation
>     Exit Sub
> Else
>     MsgBox "Error: " & Err.Number & " - " & Err.Description
>     Call cmdExit_Click
> End If
>
> End Sub
>
> trapping the condition if the company PK is an FK in any Job in tblJobs.
>  So
> I tried using db.Execute like this:
>
> Private Sub cmdDelete_Click()
>
> On Error GoTo IsIt3200:
>
> intReply = MsgBox("Are you absolutely certain that you want to delete 
> this Company record?", vbYesNo) If intReply = vbNo Then Exit Sub
>
> Set db = CurrentDb
> db.Execute "Delete * FROM tblCompany WHERE CompanyID = " & 
> Me.CompanyID Me.Requery
>
> DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdDeleteRecord
>
> Me.cboCompanies.Requery
>
> Exit Sub
>
> IsIt3200:
>
> If Err.Number = 3200 Then
>     MsgBox "Company cannot be deleted as it is being used in one or 
> more Jobs/Bids", vbExclamation
>     Exit Sub
> Else
>     MsgBox "Error: " & Err.Number & " - " & Err.Description
>     Call cmdExit_Click
> End If
>
> End Sub
> '
>
> Generates no error but doesn't delete the record.
>
> Any ideas what I might have done to break my app?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Jan 14 12:35:32 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 10:35:32 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3188 Could not update;
	currently locked by another session on this machine
In-Reply-To: <001501cdf283$f1b6d0a0$d52471e0$@dalyn.co.nz>
References: <AED109A09C714830BF18CC6AFDDCB69F@HAL9007>
	<001501cdf283$f1b6d0a0$d52471e0$@dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <F19F716F28CB4C63B0C2BF67486B1DA7@HAL9007>

Yeah - paste error - also I forgot to show the line Docmd.RunCommand as
commented out.  But it was in my test.


R
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 10:21 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 3188 Could not update;currently locked by
another session on this machine

Rocky,

 

It may be a paste error but in your second example you have the lines:

 

Set db = CurrentDb

db.Execute "Delete * FROM tblCompany WHERE CompanyID = " & Me.CompanyID
Me.Requery

DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdDeleteRecord

Me.cboCompanies.Requery

 

 

Should the "Me.Requery" be at the end of the db.Execute?

 

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand

 

 

 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, 15 January 2013 6:52 a.m.
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3188 Could not update; currently locked by another
session on this machine

 

Dear List:

I have an app generating the subject error when trying to delete a record.

I'm running this locally (FE and BE) and I'm the only one running it.

The previous version of this app does not have the error.  So something I
changed in the process of doing the client's latest wish list created it.

I imported the opening form, main menu, and form that throws the error, and
a module of Public functions from the previous version which works and it
still generates the error.  So it's not in those forms or module.

(No unfortunately, I did not document each of my changes. :(((( )

the code is pretty simple:

Private Sub cmdDelete_Click()

On Error GoTo IsIt3200:

intReply = MsgBox("Are you absolutely certain that you want to delete this
Company record?", vbYesNo) If intReply = vbNo Then Exit Sub

DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdDeleteRecord

Me.cboCompanies.Requery

Exit Sub

IsIt3200:

If Err.Number = 3200 Then

    MsgBox "Company cannot be deleted as it is being used in one or more
Jobs/Bids", vbExclamation

    Exit Sub

Else

    MsgBox "Error: " & Err.Number & " - " & Err.Description

    Call cmdExit_Click

End If

End Sub

trapping the condition if the company PK is an FK in any Job in tblJobs.  So
I tried using db.Execute like this:

Private Sub cmdDelete_Click()

On Error GoTo IsIt3200:

intReply = MsgBox("Are you absolutely certain that you want to delete this
Company record?", vbYesNo) If intReply = vbNo Then Exit Sub

Set db = CurrentDb

db.Execute "Delete * FROM tblCompany WHERE CompanyID = " & Me.CompanyID
Me.Requery

DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdDeleteRecord

Me.cboCompanies.Requery

Exit Sub

IsIt3200:

If Err.Number = 3200 Then

    MsgBox "Company cannot be deleted as it is being used in one or more
Jobs/Bids", vbExclamation

    Exit Sub

Else

    MsgBox "Error: " & Err.Number & " - " & Err.Description

    Call cmdExit_Click

End If

End Sub

'

Generates no error but doesn't delete the record. 

 

Any ideas what I might have done to break my app?

MTIA

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

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From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Tue Jan 15 14:36:12 2013
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 14:36:12 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] ACCESS2003 Function is not Expression
Message-ID: <201301152036.r0FKaKu1004489@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey All

 

I have run into another interesting problem. On the client's machine when I
try to populate a ListBox from a query referencing a table in the backend
MDB called "KeyWord" the ListBox comes up empty. If I set it to a recordset
I can easily manipulate it using code. What I did was rename the table to
"KeyWordTbl" and all my queries work fine. I know some of you will be saying
"always designate a table with "Tbl"". But this was a revision of a many
years old application that has been running fine with no problems. I follow
"If it is not broke don't fix it".  As I mentioned before the only
difference between my machine and the client's is he has ACCESS2010
installed. What I do not understand is why the queries for the table
"KeyWord" work fine on my machine and on a friend's machine who has
ACCESS2007 installed. I figure the client's machine has a reserved word
"KeyWord" and ours don't. This whole thing has been baffling. I know some of
the gurus will be saying "Hey you twit the simple answer is.........".
Anyway got to finish revising my code and get the application out to the
client.  Oh to be an Oscar Meyer wienie.

 

Thanks

Tony Septav

Nanaimo, BC

Canada


From df.waters at comcast.net  Tue Jan 15 14:51:48 2013
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 14:51:48 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] ACCESS2003 Function is not Expression
In-Reply-To: <201301152036.r0FKaKu1004489@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <201301152036.r0FKaKu1004489@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <004701cdf362$23428900$69c79b00$@comcast.net>

Hi Tony,

With my short experience so far with Access 2010, it's a little pickier than
previous versions.

In Access, there are a number of key words, like 'Name', 'Field', 'Table',
and dozens of others.  Those words should not be used as the name of an
object, or a field in a table, or a variable in code, etc.  I'm going to
guess that the word 'KeyWord' is a key word itself, and Access 2010 just
doesn't want to use it.

I currently have a report to fix that is trying to display a person's name
where the field in the table is 'Name'.  Gee ...

Good Luck!
Dan

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 2:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] ACCESS2003 Function is not Expression

Hey All

 

I have run into another interesting problem. On the client's machine when I
try to populate a ListBox from a query referencing a table in the backend
MDB called "KeyWord" the ListBox comes up empty. If I set it to a recordset
I can easily manipulate it using code. What I did was rename the table to
"KeyWordTbl" and all my queries work fine. I know some of you will be saying
"always designate a table with "Tbl"". But this was a revision of a many
years old application that has been running fine with no problems. I follow
"If it is not broke don't fix it".  As I mentioned before the only
difference between my machine and the client's is he has ACCESS2010
installed. What I do not understand is why the queries for the table
"KeyWord" work fine on my machine and on a friend's machine who has
ACCESS2007 installed. I figure the client's machine has a reserved word
"KeyWord" and ours don't. This whole thing has been baffling. I know some of
the gurus will be saying "Hey you twit the simple answer is.........".
Anyway got to finish revising my code and get the application out to the
client.  Oh to be an Oscar Meyer wienie.

 

Thanks

Tony Septav

Nanaimo, BC

Canada

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Jan 16 04:46:09 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 05:46:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ACCESS2003 Function is not Expression
In-Reply-To: <004701cdf362$23428900$69c79b00$@comcast.net>
References: <201301152036.r0FKaKu1004489@databaseadvisors.com>
	<004701cdf362$23428900$69c79b00$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1h96okW1i88uJjAtJ+sSV_z_QphWA_50WAqOh7rFB+g1w@mail.gmail.com>

>From the Department of Recursion: perhaps Keyword is a Keyword? Who woulda
thunk it?

A.

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Jan 20 08:12:22 2013
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 09:12:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access on Sharepoint
Message-ID: <6E2094A72A8C4FD58ECE244EBF91DD2D@SusanHarkins>

Do any of you run Access on SharePoint and if so, do you have special issues 
with corruption that you believe are specific to SharePoint?

Susan H. 


From edzedz at comcast.net  Sun Jan 20 08:44:16 2013
From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris)
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 07:44:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access on Sharepoint
In-Reply-To: <6E2094A72A8C4FD58ECE244EBF91DD2D@SusanHarkins>
References: <6E2094A72A8C4FD58ECE244EBF91DD2D@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <D88C4FEECE7145DBB3187E3F27530768@EDZ1>



 I have heard that USA Military uses SharePoint with Ms-Access.

 I would help various people in the Air force and Army, who would
 pick my brain, but was never allowed to see what they were doing.

 Never heard about any corruption issues with SharePoint from them.

 That was a several years ago with Access 2003.


 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 7:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Access on Sharepoint

Do any of you run Access on SharePoint and if so, do you have special issues

with corruption that you believe are specific to SharePoint?

Susan H. 

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Jan 20 08:57:09 2013
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 09:57:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access on Sharepoint
References: <6E2094A72A8C4FD58ECE244EBF91DD2D@SusanHarkins>
	<D88C4FEECE7145DBB3187E3F27530768@EDZ1>
Message-ID: <F12A5122CF6C45A48A1F580BA4B6A9FA@SusanHarkins>

A reader is having problems -- he's looking for help. It might not be 
SharePoint at all, but I thought I'd ask, just to see what you guys have 
experienced.

Thanks!
Susan H.
>
>
> I have heard that USA Military uses SharePoint with Ms-Access.
>
> I would help various people in the Air force and Army, who would
> pick my brain, but was never allowed to see what they were doing.
>
> Never heard about any corruption issues with SharePoint from them.
>
> That was a several years ago with Access 2003.


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Jan 20 10:47:41 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 08:47:41 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access on Sharepoint
In-Reply-To: <F12A5122CF6C45A48A1F580BA4B6A9FA@SusanHarkins>
References: <6E2094A72A8C4FD58ECE244EBF91DD2D@SusanHarkins><D88C4FEECE7145DBB3187E3F27530768@EDZ1>
	<F12A5122CF6C45A48A1F580BA4B6A9FA@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <44FA835C6C2A481C974616C366510986@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Martin WP Reid

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 6:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access on Sharepoint

A reader is having problems -- he's looking for help. It might not be 
SharePoint at all, but I thought I'd ask, just to see what you guys have 
experienced.

Thanks!
Susan H.
>
>
> I have heard that USA Military uses SharePoint with Ms-Access.
>
> I would help various people in the Air force and Army, who would
> pick my brain, but was never allowed to see what they were doing.
>
> Never heard about any corruption issues with SharePoint from them.
>
> That was a several years ago with Access 2003.

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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Sun Jan 20 11:27:39 2013
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 17:27:39 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Access on Sharepoint
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C4D1B90E2@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>

What's his issue

Martin

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________________________________
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Sent: 20/01/2013 16:49
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access on Sharepoint

Martin WP Reid

Jim

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 6:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access on Sharepoint

A reader is having problems -- he's looking for help. It might not be
SharePoint at all, but I thought I'd ask, just to see what you guys have
experienced.

Thanks!
Susan H.
>
>
> I have heard that USA Military uses SharePoint with Ms-Access.
>
> I would help various people in the Air force and Army, who would
> pick my brain, but was never allowed to see what they were doing.
>
> Never heard about any corruption issues with SharePoint from them.
>
> That was a several years ago with Access 2003.

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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Sun Jan 20 11:38:59 2013
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 09:38:59 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access on Sharepoint
In-Reply-To: <F12A5122CF6C45A48A1F580BA4B6A9FA@SusanHarkins>
References: <6E2094A72A8C4FD58ECE244EBF91DD2D@SusanHarkins>	<D88C4FEECE7145DBB3187E3F27530768@EDZ1>
	<F12A5122CF6C45A48A1F580BA4B6A9FA@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <005901cdf735$077fdd40$167f97c0$@cox.net>

UtterAccess runs a forum on web databases, Access and SharePoint, etc that
is quite active. Possibly your reader could use that forum.

Doug

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 6:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access on Sharepoint

A reader is having problems -- he's looking for help. It might not be
SharePoint at all, but I thought I'd ask, just to see what you guys have
experienced.

Thanks!
Susan H.
>
>
> I have heard that USA Military uses SharePoint with Ms-Access.
>
> I would help various people in the Air force and Army, who would pick 
> my brain, but was never allowed to see what they were doing.
>
> Never heard about any corruption issues with SharePoint from them.
>
> That was a several years ago with Access 2003.

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Jan 20 11:45:31 2013
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 12:45:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access on Sharepoint
References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C4D1B90E2@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <CCA53182A20342C69881AA0F66391AF4@SusanHarkins>

Corruption. I've copied his message below. I've asked him a few questions to 
pinpoint when it started -- but don't have his response yet.

"i have a access db back end in the server while the front end is on a 
sharepoint and users download the front end from the sharepoint on to local 
computer to use the db. The database is getting corrupted though? is it 
server problems?"

Susan H.


> What's his issue
>
> Martin
>


From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Sun Jan 20 12:41:25 2013
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 18:41:25 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Access on Sharepoint
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C4D1B90E4@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Seems a weird set up. Will split one in that way tomorrow and see what happens.

I assume his back end is not SharePoint

Martin

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________________________________
From: Susan Harkins
Sent: 20/01/2013 17:43
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access on Sharepoint

Corruption. I've copied his message below. I've asked him a few questions to
pinpoint when it started -- but don't have his response yet.

"i have a access db back end in the server while the front end is on a
sharepoint and users download the front end from the sharepoint on to local
computer to use the db. The database is getting corrupted though? is it
server problems?"

Susan H.


> What's his issue
>
> Martin
>

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Jan 20 12:54:55 2013
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 13:54:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access on Sharepoint
References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C4D1B90E4@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <B0B9FD8682D84307969F85673CA31BDB@SusanHarkins>

That's how I read that too Martin.

Susan H.


> Seems a weird set up. Will split one in that way tomorrow and see what 
> happens.
>
> I assume his back end is not SharePoint
>
> Martin

> "i have a access db back end in the server while the front end is on a
> sharepoint and users download the front end from the sharepoint on to 
> local
> computer to use the db. The database is getting corrupted though? is it
> server problems?"


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Jan 20 17:08:54 2013
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 18:08:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access on Sharepoint
References: <6E2094A72A8C4FD58ECE244EBF91DD2D@SusanHarkins>	<D88C4FEECE7145DBB3187E3F27530768@EDZ1><F12A5122CF6C45A48A1F580BA4B6A9FA@SusanHarkins>
	<005901cdf735$077fdd40$167f97c0$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <7377BBBCF1F844BCA29C94F285E30549@SusanHarkins>

Problem was around before SharePoint and he's getting an unrecognized 
database format error when he opens the front end.

Susan H.



>
> A reader is having problems -- he's looking for help. It might not be
> SharePoint at all, but I thought I'd ask, just to see what you guys have
> experienced.
>
> Thanks!
> Susan H.


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Jan 20 20:54:19 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 12:54:19 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access on Sharepoint
In-Reply-To: <7377BBBCF1F844BCA29C94F285E30549@SusanHarkins>
References: <6E2094A72A8C4FD58ECE244EBF91DD2D@SusanHarkins>,
	<7377BBBCF1F844BCA29C94F285E30549@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <50FCADDB.24799.23A9C08B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Are they all using the same Access version on the FE?

On 20 Jan 2013 at 18:08, Susan Harkins wrote:

> Problem was around before SharePoint and he's getting an unrecognized 
> database format error when he opens the front end.
> 
> Susan H.
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > A reader is having problems -- he's looking for help. It might not be
> > SharePoint at all, but I thought I'd ask, just to see what you guys have
> > experienced.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Susan H.
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Jan 21 06:47:06 2013
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 07:47:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access on Sharepoint
References: <6E2094A72A8C4FD58ECE244EBF91DD2D@SusanHarkins>,
	<7377BBBCF1F844BCA29C94F285E30549@SusanHarkins>
	<50FCADDB.24799.23A9C08B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <30AC34D37A8245698F5F8052003623C3@SusanHarkins>

He says they're all on 2010. I told him to check the dao references to make 
sure the acedb library is checked and to unchecked the old one -- haven't 
heard back from him yet. I'm probably not boing to be able to help this guy, 
unfortunately.

Susan going.


> Are they all using the same Access version on the FE?
>
> On 20 Jan 2013 at 18:08, Susan Harkins wrote:
>
>> Problem was around before SharePoint and he's getting an unrecognized
>> database format error when he opens the front end.
>>
>> Susan H.


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Jan 21 14:51:07 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 12:51:07 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3075 in app running on a Mac with Parallels
Message-ID: <BA61D634F5A24146AD9CA3FB5345B126@HAL9007>

Dear List:
 
I have a user of my commercial app, distributed as mde compiled in 2003.
Runs fine under windows.  
 
This client is running on a Mac using parallels, and gets an error 3075 -
Function is not available in expressions in query expression 
 
'left(OrderNumber,7) = '2013501'
 
where '2013501' is an order number and its a filter that's being created.  
 
He's running Access 2010. 
 
Looks like a broken reference but, of course, it runs fine here on my 2010
test bed.
 
Any ideas?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Jan 21 14:56:13 2013
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:56:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Anyone running Access 2000 under Windows Server 2008 R2?
Message-ID: <ABE0F2D803614C4291658B77A5903920@XPS>

All
 
  Anyone running Access 2000 under Windows Server 2008 R2?  Physical or VM
or both?
 
  I've got a client moving to a hosted VM setup and were having issues.  Not
sure if it's related to the VM or the OS.  Currently they are running A2000
under Windows 2003 on a physical server.
 
Jim.
 

From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Jan 21 16:03:19 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 14:03:19 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3075 in app running on a Mac with Parallels
In-Reply-To: <BA61D634F5A24146AD9CA3FB5345B126@HAL9007>
References: <BA61D634F5A24146AD9CA3FB5345B126@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <0DB1183DF8244A23B1CDD83E7F1E56E7@creativesystemdesigns.com>

It does sound like a reference error. 

I have had that error when working with mixed Office versions.

If there is some Windows offset reference missing that may be the error.
Some references are positional. Is your client running Access, on Parallel,
in an installed version of Windows? Has the client run updates or mixing and
matching?   

Off the top, I would suspect your client has been mixing Office versions?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 12:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3075 in app running on a Mac with Parallels

Dear List:
 
I have a user of my commercial app, distributed as mde compiled in 2003.
Runs fine under windows.  
 
This client is running on a Mac using parallels, and gets an error 3075 -
Function is not available in expressions in query expression 
 
'left(OrderNumber,7) = '2013501'
 
where '2013501' is an order number and its a filter that's being created.  
 
He's running Access 2010. 
 
Looks like a broken reference but, of course, it runs fine here on my 2010
test bed.
 
Any ideas?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Jan 21 16:10:30 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 14:10:30 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Anyone running Access 2000 under Windows Server 2008
	R2?
In-Reply-To: <ABE0F2D803614C4291658B77A5903920@XPS>
References: <ABE0F2D803614C4291658B77A5903920@XPS>
Message-ID: <34395F61D4EC4EF389B15C27DC01BE1C@creativesystemdesigns.com>

I have run Access2003, on a Hyper-V Virtual drive with Server2003, on a
Windows 2008 host... unfortunately, it was no more than a short term test
but did not have any issues. 

OTOH, I have abandoned Access 2000 as I had a number of issues and that was
just running it on an XP PC. If my memory serves me well there were some
issues with OS 2000...the way it multi-tasked?

Jim

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 12:56 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Anyone running Access 2000 under Windows Server 2008 R2?

All
 
  Anyone running Access 2000 under Windows Server 2008 R2?  Physical or VM
or both?
 
  I've got a client moving to a hosted VM setup and were having issues.  Not
sure if it's related to the VM or the OS.  Currently they are running A2000
under Windows 2003 on a physical server.
 
Jim.
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Jan 21 17:16:29 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:16:29 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3075 in app running on a Mac with Parallels
In-Reply-To: <0DB1183DF8244A23B1CDD83E7F1E56E7@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <BA61D634F5A24146AD9CA3FB5345B126@HAL9007>
	<0DB1183DF8244A23B1CDD83E7F1E56E7@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <A3A5A724FB594862AE5EEF6CFD941523@HAL9007>

I originally sent him the run-time version and it had this problem.  So he
bought Access 2010 and Excel 2010 and installed them a la carte.  Same
problem.  

Rocky




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 2:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 3075 in app running on a Mac with Parallels

It does sound like a reference error. 

I have had that error when working with mixed Office versions.

If there is some Windows offset reference missing that may be the error.
Some references are positional. Is your client running Access, on Parallel,
in an installed version of Windows? Has the client run updates or mixing and
matching?   

Off the top, I would suspect your client has been mixing Office versions?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 12:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3075 in app running on a Mac with Parallels

Dear List:
 
I have a user of my commercial app, distributed as mde compiled in 2003.
Runs fine under windows.  
 
This client is running on a Mac using parallels, and gets an error 3075 -
Function is not available in expressions in query expression 
 
'left(OrderNumber,7) = '2013501'
 
where '2013501' is an order number and its a filter that's being created.  
 
He's running Access 2010. 
 
Looks like a broken reference but, of course, it runs fine here on my 2010
test bed.
 
Any ideas?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Jan 21 17:38:21 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:38:21 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3075 in app running on a Mac with Parallels
In-Reply-To: <A3A5A724FB594862AE5EEF6CFD941523@HAL9007>
References: <BA61D634F5A24146AD9CA3FB5345B126@HAL9007><0DB1183DF8244A23B1CDD83E7F1E56E7@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<A3A5A724FB594862AE5EEF6CFD941523@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <68B3EC2647E74CF1A5BC5AD9FF1B3348@creativesystemdesigns.com>

He may not have removed the previous versions of Office via the "Add remove
programs" off the control panel and maybe a product like CCleaner might
assist cleaning up the registers. 

The older versions of Office leave all sort of pieces of itself, when a
newer version is installed and maybe a serious initial cleanup may help.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 3:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 3075 in app running on a Mac with Parallels

I originally sent him the run-time version and it had this problem.  So he
bought Access 2010 and Excel 2010 and installed them a la carte.  Same
problem.  

Rocky




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 2:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 3075 in app running on a Mac with Parallels

It does sound like a reference error. 

I have had that error when working with mixed Office versions.

If there is some Windows offset reference missing that may be the error.
Some references are positional. Is your client running Access, on Parallel,
in an installed version of Windows? Has the client run updates or mixing and
matching?   

Off the top, I would suspect your client has been mixing Office versions?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 12:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3075 in app running on a Mac with Parallels

Dear List:
 
I have a user of my commercial app, distributed as mde compiled in 2003.
Runs fine under windows.  
 
This client is running on a Mac using parallels, and gets an error 3075 -
Function is not available in expressions in query expression 
 
'left(OrderNumber,7) = '2013501'
 
where '2013501' is an order number and its a filter that's being created.  
 
He's running Access 2010. 
 
Looks like a broken reference but, of course, it runs fine here on my 2010
test bed.
 
Any ideas?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Jan 21 18:00:27 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:00:27 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3075 in app running on a Mac with Parallels
In-Reply-To: <68B3EC2647E74CF1A5BC5AD9FF1B3348@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <BA61D634F5A24146AD9CA3FB5345B126@HAL9007><0DB1183DF8244A23B1CDD83E7F1E56E7@creativesystemdesigns.com><A3A5A724FB594862AE5EEF6CFD941523@HAL9007>
	<68B3EC2647E74CF1A5BC5AD9FF1B3348@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <5743D539EB74497B8316DB05B793F9CE@HAL9007>

I'll have him install in a clean parallels machine tomorrow - see if that
helps.

R

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 3:38 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 3075 in app running on a Mac with Parallels

He may not have removed the previous versions of Office via the "Add remove
programs" off the control panel and maybe a product like CCleaner might
assist cleaning up the registers. 

The older versions of Office leave all sort of pieces of itself, when a
newer version is installed and maybe a serious initial cleanup may help.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 3:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 3075 in app running on a Mac with Parallels

I originally sent him the run-time version and it had this problem.  So he
bought Access 2010 and Excel 2010 and installed them a la carte.  Same
problem.  

Rocky




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 2:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 3075 in app running on a Mac with Parallels

It does sound like a reference error. 

I have had that error when working with mixed Office versions.

If there is some Windows offset reference missing that may be the error.
Some references are positional. Is your client running Access, on Parallel,
in an installed version of Windows? Has the client run updates or mixing and
matching?   

Off the top, I would suspect your client has been mixing Office versions?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 12:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3075 in app running on a Mac with Parallels

Dear List:
 
I have a user of my commercial app, distributed as mde compiled in 2003.
Runs fine under windows.  
 
This client is running on a Mac using parallels, and gets an error 3075 -
Function is not available in expressions in query expression 
 
'left(OrderNumber,7) = '2013501'
 
where '2013501' is an order number and its a filter that's being created.  
 
He's running Access 2010. 
 
Looks like a broken reference but, of course, it runs fine here on my 2010
test bed.
 
Any ideas?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Jan 21 18:42:32 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:42:32 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3075 in app running on a Mac with Parallels
In-Reply-To: <5743D539EB74497B8316DB05B793F9CE@HAL9007>
References: <BA61D634F5A24146AD9CA3FB5345B126@HAL9007><0DB1183DF8244A23B1CDD83E7F1E56E7@creativesystemdesigns.com><A3A5A724FB594862AE5EEF6CFD941523@HAL9007><68B3EC2647E74CF1A5BC5AD9FF1B3348@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<5743D539EB74497B8316DB05B793F9CE@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <F3F453F850F74EF5858D210D4210C76C@creativesystemdesigns.com>

All I can say is, "Good Luck" ...computers are such finicky creatures.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 4:00 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 3075 in app running on a Mac with Parallels

I'll have him install in a clean parallels machine tomorrow - see if that
helps.

R

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 3:38 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 3075 in app running on a Mac with Parallels

He may not have removed the previous versions of Office via the "Add remove
programs" off the control panel and maybe a product like CCleaner might
assist cleaning up the registers. 

The older versions of Office leave all sort of pieces of itself, when a
newer version is installed and maybe a serious initial cleanup may help.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 3:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 3075 in app running on a Mac with Parallels

I originally sent him the run-time version and it had this problem.  So he
bought Access 2010 and Excel 2010 and installed them a la carte.  Same
problem.  

Rocky




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 2:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 3075 in app running on a Mac with Parallels

It does sound like a reference error. 

I have had that error when working with mixed Office versions.

If there is some Windows offset reference missing that may be the error.
Some references are positional. Is your client running Access, on Parallel,
in an installed version of Windows? Has the client run updates or mixing and
matching?   

Off the top, I would suspect your client has been mixing Office versions?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 12:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3075 in app running on a Mac with Parallels

Dear List:
 
I have a user of my commercial app, distributed as mde compiled in 2003.
Runs fine under windows.  
 
This client is running on a Mac using parallels, and gets an error 3075 -
Function is not available in expressions in query expression 
 
'left(OrderNumber,7) = '2013501'
 
where '2013501' is an order number and its a filter that's being created.  
 
He's running Access 2010. 
 
Looks like a broken reference but, of course, it runs fine here on my 2010
test bed.
 
Any ideas?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Mon Jan 21 19:34:06 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 17:34:06 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3075 in app running on a Mac with Parallels
In-Reply-To: <BA61D634F5A24146AD9CA3FB5345B126@HAL9007>
References: <BA61D634F5A24146AD9CA3FB5345B126@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <ED94EA5A-D9D3-488B-A7BB-F36479A03E1C@phulse.com>


Looks like you are having this issue.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/194374

From what I can understand, it looks like you are having an issue with mixed/incompatible versions of libraries / DLLs.

- Hans


On 2013-01-21, at 12:51 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Dear List:
> 
> I have a user of my commercial app, distributed as mde compiled in 2003.
> Runs fine under windows.  
> 
> This client is running on a Mac using parallels, and gets an error 3075 -
> Function is not available in expressions in query expression 
> 
> 'left(OrderNumber,7) = '2013501'
> 
> where '2013501' is an order number and its a filter that's being created.  
> 
> He's running Access 2010. 
> 
> Looks like a broken reference but, of course, it runs fine here on my 2010
> test bed.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> MTIA
> 
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
> Skype: rocky.smolin
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Jan 21 20:27:06 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 18:27:06 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3075 in app running on a Mac with Parallels
In-Reply-To: <ED94EA5A-D9D3-488B-A7BB-F36479A03E1C@phulse.com>
References: <BA61D634F5A24146AD9CA3FB5345B126@HAL9007>
	<ED94EA5A-D9D3-488B-A7BB-F36479A03E1C@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <071F7D33A27D4186825455A12DBF0954@creativesystemdesigns.com>

That's my postmortem guesstimate too.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 5:34 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 3075 in app running on a Mac with Parallels


Looks like you are having this issue.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/194374

>From what I can understand, it looks like you are having an issue with
mixed/incompatible versions of libraries / DLLs.

- Hans


On 2013-01-21, at 12:51 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Dear List:
> 
> I have a user of my commercial app, distributed as mde compiled in 2003.
> Runs fine under windows.  
> 
> This client is running on a Mac using parallels, and gets an error 3075 -
> Function is not available in expressions in query expression 
> 
> 'left(OrderNumber,7) = '2013501'
> 
> where '2013501' is an order number and its a filter that's being created.

> 
> He's running Access 2010. 
> 
> Looks like a broken reference but, of course, it runs fine here on my 2010
> test bed.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> MTIA
> 
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
> Skype: rocky.smolin
> 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Jan 21 23:17:10 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 21:17:10 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3075 in app running on a Mac with Parallels
In-Reply-To: <ED94EA5A-D9D3-488B-A7BB-F36479A03E1C@phulse.com>
References: <BA61D634F5A24146AD9CA3FB5345B126@HAL9007>
	<ED94EA5A-D9D3-488B-A7BB-F36479A03E1C@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <421DBA8795CF49C2A54246E74604D25D@HAL9007>

Yes, most likely - except my mde runs in A2010 on my Windows test bed and
ran in parallels on my Mac.  Just doesn't run on the client's box.

Since I'm sending him and mde I'm not sure the CheckRefs sub in the article
will work.  But I'll give it a go.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 5:34 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 3075 in app running on a Mac with Parallels


Looks like you are having this issue.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/194374

>From what I can understand, it looks like you are having an issue with
mixed/incompatible versions of libraries / DLLs.

- Hans


On 2013-01-21, at 12:51 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Dear List:
> 
> I have a user of my commercial app, distributed as mde compiled in 2003.
> Runs fine under windows.  
> 
> This client is running on a Mac using parallels, and gets an error 
> 3075 - Function is not available in expressions in query expression
> 
> 'left(OrderNumber,7) = '2013501'
> 
> where '2013501' is an order number and its a filter that's being created.

> 
> He's running Access 2010. 
> 
> Looks like a broken reference but, of course, it runs fine here on my 
> 2010 test bed.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> MTIA
> 
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com 
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
> 
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Mon Jan 21 23:31:19 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 21:31:19 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3075 in app running on a Mac with Parallels
In-Reply-To: <421DBA8795CF49C2A54246E74604D25D@HAL9007>
References: <BA61D634F5A24146AD9CA3FB5345B126@HAL9007>
	<ED94EA5A-D9D3-488B-A7BB-F36479A03E1C@phulse.com>
	<421DBA8795CF49C2A54246E74604D25D@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <E9BD8594-0CB3-459E-A80C-6781F6D1B54C@phulse.com>


Fingers crossed.


On 2013-01-21, at 9:17 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Yes, most likely - except my mde runs in A2010 on my Windows test bed and
> ran in parallels on my Mac.  Just doesn't run on the client's box.
> 
> Since I'm sending him and mde I'm not sure the CheckRefs sub in the article
> will work.  But I'll give it a go.
> 
> Rocky
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
> Andersen
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 5:34 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 3075 in app running on a Mac with Parallels
> 
> 
> Looks like you are having this issue.
> 
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/194374
> 
> From what I can understand, it looks like you are having an issue with
> mixed/incompatible versions of libraries / DLLs.
> 
> - Hans
> 
> 
> On 2013-01-21, at 12:51 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
> 
>> Dear List:
>> 
>> I have a user of my commercial app, distributed as mde compiled in 2003.
>> Runs fine under windows.  
>> 
>> This client is running on a Mac using parallels, and gets an error 
>> 3075 - Function is not available in expressions in query expression
>> 
>> 'left(OrderNumber,7) = '2013501'
>> 
>> where '2013501' is an order number and its a filter that's being created.
> 
>> 
>> He's running Access 2010. 
>> 
>> Looks like a broken reference but, of course, it runs fine here on my 
>> 2010 test bed.
>> 
>> Any ideas?
>> 
>> MTIA
>> 
>> Rocky Smolin
>> Beach Access Software
>> 858-259-4334
>> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com 
>> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
>> Skype: rocky.smolin
>> 
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>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Jan 22 07:59:27 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 08:59:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Kicking and screaming
Message-ID: <50FE9B3F.8050000@gmail.com>

OK, I am immersed in Access 2007 now.  Sigh.

Aaahhhhooooooommmmmm this is what I do for a living.
Aaahhhhooooooommmmmm this is what I do for a living.
Aaahhhhooooooommmmmm this is what I do for a living.

Now that I am centered again... I have heard that Access now has built-in what I have always called 
SysVars and programmed a solution for, a table / code for system variables which need to be stored 
in a table and loaded at startup.  Is this true?  Where do I find documentation on using it?

-- 
John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Jan 22 08:28:25 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 15:28:25 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Kicking and screaming
Message-ID: <00bf01cdf8ac$bd086600$37193200$@cactus.dk>

Hi John

You may have TempVars in mind - but given that name, how can they be
persistent?
Stick with your SysVars.

Thought you had left the list, but struggling with A2007 may explain a few
things. Why do you do this to yourself?

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John W Colby
Sendt: 22. januar 2013 14:59
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: [AccessD] Kicking and screaming

OK, I am immersed in Access 2007 now.  Sigh.

Aaahhhhooooooommmmmm this is what I do for a living.
Aaahhhhooooooommmmmm this is what I do for a living.
Aaahhhhooooooommmmmm this is what I do for a living.

Now that I am centered again... I have heard that Access now has built-in
what I have always called SysVars and programmed a solution for, a table /
code for system variables which need to be stored in a table and loaded at
startup.  Is this true?  Where do I find documentation on using it?

--
John W. Colby 



From guss at beechnutconsulting.com  Tue Jan 22 08:47:45 2013
From: guss at beechnutconsulting.com (Guss Ginsburg)
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 08:47:45 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access on Sharepoint
In-Reply-To: <30AC34D37A8245698F5F8052003623C3@SusanHarkins>
References: <6E2094A72A8C4FD58ECE244EBF91DD2D@SusanHarkins>,
	<7377BBBCF1F844BCA29C94F285E30549@SusanHarkins>	<50FCADDB.24799.23A9C08B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<30AC34D37A8245698F5F8052003623C3@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <003f01cdf8af$72895320$579bf960$@beechnutconsulting.com>

I have seen error messages like this before, and I can usually fix them by
compacting/repairing the databases.  Usually it is a problem with the
back-end, as it is shared between multiple users and conflicts can occur
that can corrupt the database.  Compact the back end first, then try and see
if it is fixed.  Then, if needed, compact the front end.  There might also
be some corrupted records in the backend that you may need to delete or deal
with after compacting.

Sincerely yours,
?
Guss Ginsburg
Beechnut Consulting Services
Phone:  504-252-9131
Cell: 713-553-6298
www.beechnutconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 6:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access on Sharepoint

He says they're all on 2010. I told him to check the dao references to make
sure the acedb library is checked and to unchecked the old one -- haven't
heard back from him yet. I'm probably not boing to be able to help this guy,
unfortunately.

Susan going.


> Are they all using the same Access version on the FE?
>
> On 20 Jan 2013 at 18:08, Susan Harkins wrote:
>
>> Problem was around before SharePoint and he's getting an unrecognized 
>> database format error when he opens the front end.
>>
>> Susan H.

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From jm.hwsn at gmail.com  Tue Jan 22 08:49:19 2013
From: jm.hwsn at gmail.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 08:49:19 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Kicking and screaming
In-Reply-To: <00bf01cdf8ac$bd086600$37193200$@cactus.dk>
References: <00bf01cdf8ac$bd086600$37193200$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CACbV_8Mb4zAnL5jFaD2T2OeNVbF=Xd3CrCddFskPysv3O98jNg@mail.gmail.com>

I use TempVars. They are created when the file is opened and changed as
needed during the session.
They are in memory until they are either destroyed or when the file is
closed.
One example is I use one for the role of the individual that logs into the
database.
The role determines what the user can see and / or do during the session.
Prior to using TempVars I was constantly referencing a table using
DLookup()... it wasn't very efficient.
Now all I have to do is something like:  TempVars!tvRole = something - a
lot easier.

Jim
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 8:28 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi John
>
> You may have TempVars in mind - but given that name, how can they be
> persistent?
> Stick with your SysVars.
>
> Thought you had left the list, but struggling with A2007 may explain a few
> things. Why do you do this to yourself?
>
> /gustav
>
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John W Colby
> Sendt: 22. januar 2013 14:59
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: [AccessD] Kicking and screaming
>
> OK, I am immersed in Access 2007 now.  Sigh.
>
> Aaahhhhooooooommmmmm this is what I do for a living.
> Aaahhhhooooooommmmmm this is what I do for a living.
> Aaahhhhooooooommmmmm this is what I do for a living.
>
> Now that I am centered again... I have heard that Access now has built-in
> what I have always called SysVars and programmed a solution for, a table /
> code for system variables which need to be stored in a table and loaded at
> startup.  Is this true?  Where do I find documentation on using it?
>
> --
> John W. Colby
>
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Jan 22 08:58:34 2013
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 09:58:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access on Sharepoint
References: <6E2094A72A8C4FD58ECE244EBF91DD2D@SusanHarkins>,
	<7377BBBCF1F844BCA29C94F285E30549@SusanHarkins>	<50FCADDB.24799.23A9C08B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><30AC34D37A8245698F5F8052003623C3@SusanHarkins>
	<003f01cdf8af$72895320$579bf960$@beechnutconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <E09AEC3A79B942A9AB0391356B351E46@SusanHarkins>

Thanks for mentioning it -- I think I just assumed he'd already tried that, 
but that was a bad assumption. I'll mention it.

Susan H.


I have seen error messages like this before, and I can usually fix them by
compacting/repairing the databases.  Usually it is a problem with the
back-end, as it is shared between multiple users and conflicts can occur
that can corrupt the database.  Compact the back end first, then try and see
if it is fixed.  Then, if needed, compact the front end.  There might also
be some corrupted records in the backend that you may need to delete or deal
with after compacting.

Sincerely yours,



From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Jan 22 09:56:37 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 10:56:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Kicking and screaming
In-Reply-To: <00bf01cdf8ac$bd086600$37193200$@cactus.dk>
References: <00bf01cdf8ac$bd086600$37193200$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <50FEB6B5.9080803@gmail.com>

 >Why do you do this to yourself?

I got a day job.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 1/22/2013 9:28 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi John
>
> You may have TempVars in mind - but given that name, how can they be
> persistent?
> Stick with your SysVars.
>
> Thought you had left the list, but struggling with A2007 may explain a few
> things. Why do you do this to yourself?
>
> /gustav
>
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John W Colby
> Sendt: 22. januar 2013 14:59
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: [AccessD] Kicking and screaming
>
> OK, I am immersed in Access 2007 now.  Sigh.
>
> Aaahhhhooooooommmmmm this is what I do for a living.
> Aaahhhhooooooommmmmm this is what I do for a living.
> Aaahhhhooooooommmmmm this is what I do for a living.
>
> Now that I am centered again... I have heard that Access now has built-in
> what I have always called SysVars and programmed a solution for, a table /
> code for system variables which need to be stored in a table and loaded at
> startup.  Is this true?  Where do I find documentation on using it?
>
> --
> John W. Colby
>
>


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Jan 22 10:22:29 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 11:22:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Code behind form
Message-ID: <50FEBCC5.7040201@gmail.com>

If in design view, how do I get at the code behind form module for the current design view form?

-- 
John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Tue Jan 22 12:32:32 2013
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 10:32:32 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Code behind form
In-Reply-To: <50FEBCC5.7040201@gmail.com>
References: <50FEBCC5.7040201@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9bri4Kw01_Bve2X3BX+Z69HSo7A5AozNyn_4DsGVJkqA@mail.gmail.com>

Only way I know is to  go from the properties list.  If there's a shortcut,
I'd be interested.

Charlotte

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 8:22 AM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> If in design view, how do I get at the code behind form module for the
> current design view form?
>
> --
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Tue Jan 22 12:34:53 2013
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 10:34:53 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Kicking and screaming
In-Reply-To: <50FEB6B5.9080803@gmail.com>
References: <00bf01cdf8ac$bd086600$37193200$@cactus.dk>
	<50FEB6B5.9080803@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_WQN4jESGktWGg1F=BcVxsTt6isvm1OcoQNdyVEYoneg@mail.gmail.com>

>I got a day job.

Lucky you!  Wish I could say the same.

Charlotte

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 7:56 AM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> >Why do you do this to yourself?
>
> I got a day job.
>
>
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
>
>

From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jan 22 12:44:06 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 10:44:06 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Kicking and screaming
In-Reply-To: <50FE9B3F.8050000@gmail.com>
References: <50FE9B3F.8050000@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DB3E359112CA4DCD835834A1FC42E988@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Ha, SysVars are nothing new. 

I have been working with a legacy Informix application (20+ years old) and
once you have pushed a variable up into memory they are there until you
leave the environment completely...very handy at times as you move from
module to module or even from program to program or more likely crashing
while doing development work. There is even an option that allows protected
variables to be pushed to the computers stack...but this doesn't work on the
newer computers with their fancy new-fangled multi-core CPUs 

I have always, when working with VB, pushed and retrieved variables out of
the system register. They are then totally protected until a system
re-imaging and even then can be pulled from backup. Somewhere, I have a
little piece of code I used with Access to perform similar efforts.

It is nice to hear that MS Access is finally catching up. :-)

PS: Good to hear you are doing OK.

Jim    

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 5:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Kicking and screaming

OK, I am immersed in Access 2007 now.  Sigh.

Aaahhhhooooooommmmmm this is what I do for a living.
Aaahhhhooooooommmmmm this is what I do for a living.
Aaahhhhooooooommmmmm this is what I do for a living.

Now that I am centered again... I have heard that Access now has built-in
what I have always called 
SysVars and programmed a solution for, a table / code for system variables
which need to be stored 
in a table and loaded at startup.  Is this true?  Where do I find
documentation on using it?

-- 
John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

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From bill_patten at embarqmail.com  Tue Jan 22 12:47:13 2013
From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten)
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 10:47:13 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Code behind form
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9bri4Kw01_Bve2X3BX+Z69HSo7A5AozNyn_4DsGVJkqA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <50FEBCC5.7040201@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met9bri4Kw01_Bve2X3BX+Z69HSo7A5AozNyn_4DsGVJkqA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EAA069ACD7444C578D20A9AE45C855C8@BPCS>

Try alt F11, it works for me.
Bill

-----Original Message----- 
From: Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 10:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Code behind form

Only way I know is to  go from the properties list.  If there's a shortcut,
I'd be interested.

Charlotte

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 8:22 AM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> If in design view, how do I get at the code behind form module for the
> current design view form?
>
> --
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> --
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
> Website: 
> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Tue Jan 22 12:51:14 2013
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 10:51:14 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Code behind form
In-Reply-To: <EAA069ACD7444C578D20A9AE45C855C8@BPCS>
References: <50FEBCC5.7040201@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met9bri4Kw01_Bve2X3BX+Z69HSo7A5AozNyn_4DsGVJkqA@mail.gmail.com>
	<EAA069ACD7444C578D20A9AE45C855C8@BPCS>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_ENZrvmLNNZWyTVAdfA5GFqxT=dkxfMqtLs0QaUKeqjA@mail.gmail.com>

That takes you to the code editor but not necessarily to the specific
module for the open form.

Charlotte

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Bill Patten <bill_patten at embarqmail.com>wrote:

> Try alt F11, it works for me.
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 10:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Code behind form
>
> Only way I know is to  go from the properties list.  If there's a shortcut,
> I'd be interested.
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 8:22 AM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > If in design view, how do I get at the code behind form module for the
> > current design view form?
> >
> > --
> > John W. Colby
> >
> > Reality is what refuses to go away
> > when you do not believe in it
> >
> > --
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
> > Website:
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
> >
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Tue Jan 22 12:54:30 2013
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 10:54:30 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Kicking and screaming
In-Reply-To: <DB3E359112CA4DCD835834A1FC42E988@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <50FE9B3F.8050000@gmail.com>
	<DB3E359112CA4DCD835834A1FC42E988@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_p8qm--D9904X4BYrmsFKQ8Z10KwREq4N2KQF8rZ0u=w@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,

That's what we did at Infostat as well in our Access apps, but as later
versions of Windows came along and IT departments locked down the registry,
we occasionally has issues.

Charlotte

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Ha, SysVars are nothing new.
>
> I have been working with a legacy Informix application (20+ years old) and
> once you have pushed a variable up into memory they are there until you
> leave the environment completely...very handy at times as you move from
> module to module or even from program to program or more likely crashing
> while doing development work. There is even an option that allows protected
> variables to be pushed to the computers stack...but this doesn't work on
> the
> newer computers with their fancy new-fangled multi-core CPUs
>
> I have always, when working with VB, pushed and retrieved variables out of
> the system register. They are then totally protected until a system
> re-imaging and even then can be pulled from backup. Somewhere, I have a
> little piece of code I used with Access to perform similar efforts.
>
> It is nice to hear that MS Access is finally catching up. :-)
>
> PS: Good to hear you are doing OK.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 5:59 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Kicking and screaming
>
> OK, I am immersed in Access 2007 now.  Sigh.
>
> Aaahhhhooooooommmmmm this is what I do for a living.
> Aaahhhhooooooommmmmm this is what I do for a living.
> Aaahhhhooooooommmmmm this is what I do for a living.
>
> Now that I am centered again... I have heard that Access now has built-in
> what I have always called
> SysVars and programmed a solution for, a table / code for system variables
> which need to be stored
> in a table and loaded at startup.  Is this true?  Where do I find
> documentation on using it?
>
> --
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> --
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From df.waters at comcast.net  Tue Jan 22 14:08:42 2013
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:08:42 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Code behind form
In-Reply-To: <50FEBCC5.7040201@gmail.com>
References: <50FEBCC5.7040201@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001001cdf8dc$46abcc10$d4036430$@comcast.net>

Hi John,

In Access 2010 (perhaps 2007 is the same); there is a Tools section on the
form design ribbon on the right side.  At the right side of that is a 'View
Code' button.  That's the direct route.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 10:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Code behind form

If in design view, how do I get at the code behind form module for the
current design view form?

-- 
John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Jan 22 14:10:35 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 15:10:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Code behind form
In-Reply-To: <EAA069ACD7444C578D20A9AE45C855C8@BPCS>
References: <50FEBCC5.7040201@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met9bri4Kw01_Bve2X3BX+Z69HSo7A5AozNyn_4DsGVJkqA@mail.gmail.com>
	<EAA069ACD7444C578D20A9AE45C855C8@BPCS>
Message-ID: <50FEF23B.4000103@gmail.com>

That opened the VB Editor but displayed the last module I worked on, not the CBF for the form I was in.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 1/22/2013 1:47 PM, Bill Patten wrote:
> Try alt F11, it works for me.
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 10:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Code behind form
>
> Only way I know is to  go from the properties list.  If there's a shortcut,
> I'd be interested.
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 8:22 AM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If in design view, how do I get at the code behind form module for the
>> current design view form?
>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> --
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>> Website:
>> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Jan 22 14:16:57 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 15:16:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Code behind form
In-Reply-To: <001001cdf8dc$46abcc10$d4036430$@comcast.net>
References: <50FEBCC5.7040201@gmail.com>
	<001001cdf8dc$46abcc10$d4036430$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <50FEF3B9.8020105@gmail.com>

That's it.  Thanks!

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 1/22/2013 3:08 PM, Dan Waters wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> In Access 2010 (perhaps 2007 is the same); there is a Tools section on the
> form design ribbon on the right side.  At the right side of that is a 'View
> Code' button.  That's the direct route.
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 10:22 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Code behind form
>
> If in design view, how do I get at the code behind form module for the
> current design view form?
>


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Jan 22 15:18:14 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 13:18:14 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Code behind form
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met_ENZrvmLNNZWyTVAdfA5GFqxT=dkxfMqtLs0QaUKeqjA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <50FEBCC5.7040201@gmail.com><CAH+Met9bri4Kw01_Bve2X3BX+Z69HSo7A5AozNyn_4DsGVJkqA@mail.gmail.com><EAA069ACD7444C578D20A9AE45C855C8@BPCS>
	<CAH+Met_ENZrvmLNNZWyTVAdfA5GFqxT=dkxfMqtLs0QaUKeqjA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1EDD088EFF394993A128625A3445670F@HAL9007>

Alt-V-C will take you to the code behind the form.  If I want a specific
event procedure I go from that event on the property sheet.

R


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 10:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Code behind form

That takes you to the code editor but not necessarily to the specific module
for the open form.

Charlotte

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Bill Patten
<bill_patten at embarqmail.com>wrote:

> Try alt F11, it works for me.
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 10:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Code behind form
>
> Only way I know is to  go from the properties list.  If there's a 
> shortcut, I'd be interested.
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 8:22 AM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > If in design view, how do I get at the code behind form module for 
> > the current design view form?
> >
> > --
> > John W. Colby
> >
> > Reality is what refuses to go away
> > when you do not believe in it
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
> > Website:
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
> >
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Jan 22 15:18:21 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 16:18:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Code behind form
In-Reply-To: <50FEF3B9.8020105@gmail.com>
References: <50FEBCC5.7040201@gmail.com>
	<001001cdf8dc$46abcc10$d4036430$@comcast.net>
	<50FEF3B9.8020105@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hTXhAT9KhhxH7kdsVCXhz8Nqh=bPHV3izYZ_iCbZF=8A@mail.gmail.com>

And anyway, if it opens on the wrong form, just locate the right form in
the list and double-click it, then choose the event from the right-side
drop-down.
A.

From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Jan 22 15:23:26 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 16:23:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Code behind form
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hTXhAT9KhhxH7kdsVCXhz8Nqh=bPHV3izYZ_iCbZF=8A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <50FEBCC5.7040201@gmail.com>
	<001001cdf8dc$46abcc10$d4036430$@comcast.net>
	<50FEF3B9.8020105@gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1hTXhAT9KhhxH7kdsVCXhz8Nqh=bPHV3izYZ_iCbZF=8A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50FF034E.6080105@gmail.com>

Yes, this is the way I have been doing it.  It is just convenient to be able to get at the CBF 
module for the current form rather than having to find / select it from a list.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 1/22/2013 4:18 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> And anyway, if it opens on the wrong form, just locate the right form in
> the list and double-click it, then choose the event from the right-side
> drop-down.
> A.


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Tue Jan 22 15:25:24 2013
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 13:25:24 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Code behind form
In-Reply-To: <1EDD088EFF394993A128625A3445670F@HAL9007>
References: <50FEBCC5.7040201@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met9bri4Kw01_Bve2X3BX+Z69HSo7A5AozNyn_4DsGVJkqA@mail.gmail.com>
	<EAA069ACD7444C578D20A9AE45C855C8@BPCS>
	<CAH+Met_ENZrvmLNNZWyTVAdfA5GFqxT=dkxfMqtLs0QaUKeqjA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1EDD088EFF394993A128625A3445670F@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_KQP50b3sE8pwbs3-dcL-4AjNDwCCqHOaZaArq03hCWw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the Alt+V+C shortcut, Rocky.

Charlotte

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> Alt-V-C will take you to the code behind the form.  If I want a specific
> event procedure I go from that event on the property sheet.
>
> R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 10:51 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Code behind form
>
> That takes you to the code editor but not necessarily to the specific
> module
> for the open form.
>
> Charlotte
>
>
>

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Jan 22 15:39:13 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 07:39:13 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Kicking and screaming
In-Reply-To: <00bf01cdf8ac$bd086600$37193200$@cactus.dk>
References: <00bf01cdf8ac$bd086600$37193200$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <50FF0701.22244.2CD60529@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

What Gustav says !   :-)

Tempvars are just a fancy OO was to store Globals. (They are objects with two members - 
Name and Value).

Ther is nothing built in like the Sysvars we have built ourselves for years.

-- 
Stuart

On 22 Jan 2013 at 15:28, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi John
> 
> You may have TempVars in mind - but given that name, how can they be
> persistent?
> Stick with your SysVars.
> 
> Thought you had left the list, but struggling with A2007 may explain a few
> things. Why do you do this to yourself?
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John W Colby
> Sendt: 22. januar 2013 14:59
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: [AccessD] Kicking and screaming
> 
> OK, I am immersed in Access 2007 now.  Sigh.
> 
> Aaahhhhooooooommmmmm this is what I do for a living.
> Aaahhhhooooooommmmmm this is what I do for a living.
> Aaahhhhooooooommmmmm this is what I do for a living.
> 
> Now that I am centered again... I have heard that Access now has built-in
> what I have always called SysVars and programmed a solution for, a table /
> code for system variables which need to be stored in a table and loaded at
> startup.  Is this true?  Where do I find documentation on using it?
> 
> --
> John W. Colby 
> 
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Jan 22 15:45:18 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 07:45:18 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Code behind form
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met_KQP50b3sE8pwbs3-dcL-4AjNDwCCqHOaZaArq03hCWw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <50FEBCC5.7040201@gmail.com>,
	<1EDD088EFF394993A128625A3445670F@HAL9007>,
	<CAH+Met_KQP50b3sE8pwbs3-dcL-4AjNDwCCqHOaZaArq03hCWw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50FF086E.17900.2CDB96ED@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

B*gger me. as the Aussie's say.  How long has that been around :-).

We really are never too old to learn!

-- 
Stuart

On 22 Jan 2013 at 13:25, Charlotte Foust wrote:

> Thanks for the Alt+V+C shortcut, Rocky.
> 
> Charlotte
> 
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:
> 
> > Alt-V-C will take you to the code behind the form.  If I want a specific
> > event procedure I go from that event on the property sheet.
> >
> > R
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 10:51 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Code behind form
> >
> > That takes you to the code editor but not necessarily to the specific
> > module
> > for the open form.
> >
> > Charlotte
> >
> >
> >
> -- 
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Jan 22 15:45:18 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 07:45:18 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Code behind form
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9bri4Kw01_Bve2X3BX+Z69HSo7A5AozNyn_4DsGVJkqA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <50FEBCC5.7040201@gmail.com>,
	<CAH+Met9bri4Kw01_Bve2X3BX+Z69HSo7A5AozNyn_4DsGVJkqA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50FF086E.2928.2CDB973B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

You can use Ctrl+G.  It's one of my most used shortcuts  Buit that also puts you  in the last 
used module, not the current design view form.

-- 
Stuart

On 22 Jan 2013 at 10:32, Charlotte Foust wrote:

> Only way I know is to  go from the properties list.  If there's a shortcut,
> I'd be interested.
> 
> Charlotte
> 
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 8:22 AM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > If in design view, how do I get at the code behind form module for the
> > current design view form?
> >
> > --
> > John W. Colby
> >
> > Reality is what refuses to go away
> > when you do not believe in it
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
> >
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Tue Jan 22 15:50:08 2013
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 13:50:08 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Code behind form
In-Reply-To: <50FF086E.2928.2CDB973B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <50FEBCC5.7040201@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met9bri4Kw01_Bve2X3BX+Z69HSo7A5AozNyn_4DsGVJkqA@mail.gmail.com>
	<50FF086E.2928.2CDB973B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWbGiNXqnauCACs2+JsiYCJE8z1GfvkGcukgnM2yRpi92Q@mail.gmail.com>

That is what I always do. If I need something quicker, I'll usually switch
to the form design view then click on the control and the event in the
control's property.

In my current A2010 ADP, Alt+V+C does the same as Ctrl + G.

D

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> You can use Ctrl+G.  It's one of my most used shortcuts  Buit that also
> puts you  in the last
> used module, not the current design view form.
>
> --
> Stuart
>

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Jan 22 16:02:15 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:02:15 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Code behind form
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met_KQP50b3sE8pwbs3-dcL-4AjNDwCCqHOaZaArq03hCWw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <50FEBCC5.7040201@gmail.com><CAH+Met9bri4Kw01_Bve2X3BX+Z69HSo7A5AozNyn_4DsGVJkqA@mail.gmail.com><EAA069ACD7444C578D20A9AE45C855C8@BPCS><CAH+Met_ENZrvmLNNZWyTVAdfA5GFqxT=dkxfMqtLs0QaUKeqjA@mail.gmail.com><1EDD088EFF394993A128625A3445670F@HAL9007>
	<CAH+Met_KQP50b3sE8pwbs3-dcL-4AjNDwCCqHOaZaArq03hCWw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2ACE8CE3E3B7411698F6D5968F3F7056@HAL9007>

I'm a mouseophobe.  Hate the mouse and taking my hands off the keyboard when
coding.  Even designing - Alt-O-A-T, alt-O-Z-E, alt-F-S, move stuff around
using ctrl-arrows.  

The one I can't figure out is when I go to the code page through the
property sheet and then alt-Tab back, the property sheet has the focus and I
usually want to alt-V-F at that point to test my change.  But I've got to
get out of the property sheet so have to move the mouse and click. My
biggest IDE annoyance.

R


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 1:25 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Code behind form

Thanks for the Alt+V+C shortcut, Rocky.

Charlotte

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> Alt-V-C will take you to the code behind the form.  If I want a 
> specific event procedure I go from that event on the property sheet.
>
> R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 10:51 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Code behind form
>
> That takes you to the code editor but not necessarily to the specific 
> module for the open form.
>
> Charlotte
>
>
>
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Tue Jan 22 16:19:52 2013
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:19:52 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Code behind form
In-Reply-To: <2ACE8CE3E3B7411698F6D5968F3F7056@HAL9007>
References: <50FEBCC5.7040201@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met9bri4Kw01_Bve2X3BX+Z69HSo7A5AozNyn_4DsGVJkqA@mail.gmail.com>
	<EAA069ACD7444C578D20A9AE45C855C8@BPCS>
	<CAH+Met_ENZrvmLNNZWyTVAdfA5GFqxT=dkxfMqtLs0QaUKeqjA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1EDD088EFF394993A128625A3445670F@HAL9007>
	<CAH+Met_KQP50b3sE8pwbs3-dcL-4AjNDwCCqHOaZaArq03hCWw@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ACE8CE3E3B7411698F6D5968F3F7056@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWaLhSOXNP9HEcYU8rLdXj6f5jvXM_WOwgnJJw+kPvGGmA@mail.gmail.com>

In A2010, Switching back from the VBA window to the property sheet of the
GUI window will allow Alt-V-F to switch to Form view.

D

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> I'm a mouseophobe.  Hate the mouse and taking my hands off the keyboard
> when
> coding.  Even designing - Alt-O-A-T, alt-O-Z-E, alt-F-S, move stuff around
> using ctrl-arrows.
>
> The one I can't figure out is when I go to the code page through the
> property sheet and then alt-Tab back, the property sheet has the focus and
> I
> usually want to alt-V-F at that point to test my change.  But I've got to
> get out of the property sheet so have to move the mouse and click. My
> biggest IDE annoyance.
>
> R
>
>

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Jan 22 16:21:42 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 08:21:42 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Code behind form
In-Reply-To: <2ACE8CE3E3B7411698F6D5968F3F7056@HAL9007>
References: <50FEBCC5.7040201@gmail.com>,
	<CAH+Met_KQP50b3sE8pwbs3-dcL-4AjNDwCCqHOaZaArq03hCWw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<2ACE8CE3E3B7411698F6D5968F3F7056@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <50FF10F6.20262.2CFCE8D4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Shift+F6  

-- 
Stuart

On 22 Jan 2013 at 14:02, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> I'm a mouseophobe.  Hate the mouse and taking my hands off the keyboard when
> coding.  Even designing - Alt-O-A-T, alt-O-Z-E, alt-F-S, move stuff around
> using ctrl-arrows.  
> 
> The one I can't figure out is when I go to the code page through the
> property sheet and then alt-Tab back, the property sheet has the focus and I
> usually want to alt-V-F at that point to test my change.  But I've got to
> get out of the property sheet so have to move the mouse and click. My
> biggest IDE annoyance.
> 
> R
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 1:25 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Code behind form
> 
> Thanks for the Alt+V+C shortcut, Rocky.
> 
> Charlotte
> 
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:
> 
> > Alt-V-C will take you to the code behind the form.  If I want a 
> > specific event procedure I go from that event on the property sheet.
> >
> > R
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> > Foust
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 10:51 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Code behind form
> >
> > That takes you to the code editor but not necessarily to the specific 
> > module for the open form.
> >
> > Charlotte
> >
> >
> >
> --
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From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk  Tue Jan 22 16:29:50 2013
From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond)
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 23:29:50 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Code behind form
References: <50FEBCC5.7040201@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met9bri4Kw01_Bve2X3BX+Z69HSo7A5AozNyn_4DsGVJkqA@mail.gmail.com>
	<50FF086E.2928.2CDB973B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAMhYZWbGiNXqnauCACs2+JsiYCJE8z1GfvkGcukgnM2yRpi92Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <06.AD.24864.FD21FF05@fep48.mail.dk>

To be more accurate: Ctrl + G is a shortcut for activating the Immediate
Window - and since this window is part of the VB Editor it will open the
modules environment too (inclusive the CBF's).
/ Asger

----- Original meddelelse -----

> Fra: David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com>
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Dato: Tir, 22. jan 2013 22:50
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Code behind form
> 
> That is what I always do. If I need something quicker, I'll usually
> switch
> to the form design view then click on the control and the event in
> the
> control's property.
> 
> In my current A2010 ADP, Alt+V+C does the same as Ctrl + G.
> 
> D
> 
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Stuart McLachlan
> <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:
> 
> > You can use Ctrl+G. It's one of my most used shortcuts Buit that
> also
> > puts you in the last
> > used module, not the current design view form.
> >
> > --
> > Stuart
> >
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Jan 22 16:44:16 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:44:16 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Code behind form
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWaLhSOXNP9HEcYU8rLdXj6f5jvXM_WOwgnJJw+kPvGGmA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <50FEBCC5.7040201@gmail.com><CAH+Met9bri4Kw01_Bve2X3BX+Z69HSo7A5AozNyn_4DsGVJkqA@mail.gmail.com><EAA069ACD7444C578D20A9AE45C855C8@BPCS><CAH+Met_ENZrvmLNNZWyTVAdfA5GFqxT=dkxfMqtLs0QaUKeqjA@mail.gmail.com><1EDD088EFF394993A128625A3445670F@HAL9007><CAH+Met_KQP50b3sE8pwbs3-dcL-4AjNDwCCqHOaZaArq03hCWw@mail.gmail.com><2ACE8CE3E3B7411698F6D5968F3F7056@HAL9007>
	<CAMhYZWaLhSOXNP9HEcYU8rLdXj6f5jvXM_WOwgnJJw+kPvGGmA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2665FE0BFDA14023AAE30EDBC3CF6FA2@HAL9007>

I'm still developing in 2003.  Switching back using alt-Tab still eaves the
property sheet with the focus. So Alt-V-F gives me junk in the event on the
property sheet that I used to get to the code.  Can't tell you how many
times I've screwed up a property that way.

R

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 2:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Code behind form

In A2010, Switching back from the VBA window to the property sheet of the
GUI window will allow Alt-V-F to switch to Form view.

D

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> I'm a mouseophobe.  Hate the mouse and taking my hands off the 
> keyboard when coding.  Even designing - Alt-O-A-T, alt-O-Z-E, alt-F-S, 
> move stuff around using ctrl-arrows.
>
> The one I can't figure out is when I go to the code page through the 
> property sheet and then alt-Tab back, the property sheet has the focus 
> and I usually want to alt-V-F at that point to test my change.  But 
> I've got to get out of the property sheet so have to move the mouse 
> and click. My biggest IDE annoyance.
>
> R
>
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Jan 22 16:45:12 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:45:12 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Code behind form
In-Reply-To: <50FF10F6.20262.2CFCE8D4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <50FEBCC5.7040201@gmail.com>,
	<CAH+Met_KQP50b3sE8pwbs3-dcL-4AjNDwCCqHOaZaArq03hCWw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<2ACE8CE3E3B7411698F6D5968F3F7056@HAL9007>
	<50FF10F6.20262.2CFCE8D4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <3C1D83F547384DA18A2201F1C69CFB55@HAL9007>

Doesn't do anything in the 2003 IDE.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 2:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Code behind form

Shift+F6

--
Stuart

On 22 Jan 2013 at 14:02, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> I'm a mouseophobe.  Hate the mouse and taking my hands off the 
> keyboard when coding.  Even designing - Alt-O-A-T, alt-O-Z-E, alt-F-S, 
> move stuff around using ctrl-arrows.
> 
> The one I can't figure out is when I go to the code page through the 
> property sheet and then alt-Tab back, the property sheet has the focus 
> and I usually want to alt-V-F at that point to test my change.  But 
> I've got to get out of the property sheet so have to move the mouse 
> and click. My biggest IDE annoyance.
> 
> R
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 1:25 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Code behind form
> 
> Thanks for the Alt+V+C shortcut, Rocky.
> 
> Charlotte
> 
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Rocky Smolin
<rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:
> 
> > Alt-V-C will take you to the code behind the form.  If I want a 
> > specific event procedure I go from that event on the property sheet.
> >
> > R
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> > Foust
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 10:51 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Code behind form
> >
> > That takes you to the code editor but not necessarily to the 
> > specific module for the open form.
> >
> > Charlotte
> >
> >
> >
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Tue Jan 22 17:04:33 2013
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 15:04:33 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Code behind form
In-Reply-To: <2665FE0BFDA14023AAE30EDBC3CF6FA2@HAL9007>
References: <50FEBCC5.7040201@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met9bri4Kw01_Bve2X3BX+Z69HSo7A5AozNyn_4DsGVJkqA@mail.gmail.com>
	<EAA069ACD7444C578D20A9AE45C855C8@BPCS>
	<CAH+Met_ENZrvmLNNZWyTVAdfA5GFqxT=dkxfMqtLs0QaUKeqjA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1EDD088EFF394993A128625A3445670F@HAL9007>
	<CAH+Met_KQP50b3sE8pwbs3-dcL-4AjNDwCCqHOaZaArq03hCWw@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ACE8CE3E3B7411698F6D5968F3F7056@HAL9007>
	<CAMhYZWaLhSOXNP9HEcYU8rLdXj6f5jvXM_WOwgnJJw+kPvGGmA@mail.gmail.com>
	<2665FE0BFDA14023AAE30EDBC3CF6FA2@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWa=hfBFG6PKhNJOAf7=uzxMA=LF0EcyAFgmucy3Kc3Wrw@mail.gmail.com>

yeah, I wish there was a better way. I also use the keyboard as much as I
can.

D

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> I'm still developing in 2003.  Switching back using alt-Tab still eaves the
> property sheet with the focus. So Alt-V-F gives me junk in the event on the
> property sheet that I used to get to the code.  Can't tell you how many
> times I've screwed up a property that way.
>
> R
>
>

From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Jan 22 17:04:51 2013
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 23:04:51 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Kicking and screaming
In-Reply-To: <50FE9B3F.8050000@gmail.com>
References: <50FE9B3F.8050000@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5343D0347@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Heh, the only advice I have for you is "Why 2007??"  2010 is a much better behaved beastie.  2007 was the beta release of 2010 in my opinion.  Upgrade as soon as you can I would suggest.

Good luck

Cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
Sent: Wednesday, 23 January 2013 12:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Kicking and screaming

OK, I am immersed in Access 2007 now.  Sigh.

Aaahhhhooooooommmmmm this is what I do for a living.
Aaahhhhooooooommmmmm this is what I do for a living.
Aaahhhhooooooommmmmm this is what I do for a living.

Now that I am centered again... I have heard that Access now has built-in what I have always called SysVars and programmed a solution for, a table / code for system variables which need to be stored in a table and loaded at startup.  Is this true?  Where do I find documentation on using it?

--
John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Jan 22 17:32:09 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 09:32:09 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Kicking and screaming
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5343D0347@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <50FE9B3F.8050000@gmail.com>,
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5343D0347@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <50FF2179.9638.2D3D6860@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Hear,Hear!

-- 
Stuart

On 22 Jan 2013 at 23:04, Darryl Collins wrote:

> Heh, the only advice I have for you is "Why 2007??"  2010 is a much
> better behaved beastie.  2007 was the beta release of 2010 in my
> opinion.  Upgrade as soon as you can I would suggest. 
> 
> Good luck
> 
> Cheers
> Darryl
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
> Sent: Wednesday, 23 January 2013 12:59 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Kicking and screaming
> 
> OK, I am immersed in Access 2007 now.  Sigh.
> 
> Aaahhhhooooooommmmmm this is what I do for a living.
> Aaahhhhooooooommmmmm this is what I do for a living.
> Aaahhhhooooooommmmmm this is what I do for a living.
> 
> Now that I am centered again... I have heard that Access now has built-in what I have always called SysVars and programmed a solution for, a table / code for system variables which need to be stored in a table and loaded at startup.  Is this true?  Where do I find documentation on using it?
> 


From john at winhaven.net  Wed Jan 23 23:51:04 2013
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 23:51:04 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Kicking and screaming
In-Reply-To: <50FF2179.9638.2D3D6860@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <50FE9B3F.8050000@gmail.com>,
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5343D0347@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<50FF2179.9638.2D3D6860@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <021301cdf9f6$cc6da060$6548e120$@winhaven.net>

ditto

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 5:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Kicking and screaming

Hear,Hear!

--
Stuart

On 22 Jan 2013 at 23:04, Darryl Collins wrote:

> Heh, the only advice I have for you is "Why 2007??"  2010 is a much 
> better behaved beastie.  2007 was the beta release of 2010 in my 
> opinion.  Upgrade as soon as you can I would suggest.
> 
> Good luck
> 
> Cheers
> Darryl
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W 
> Colby
> Sent: Wednesday, 23 January 2013 12:59 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Kicking and screaming
> 
> OK, I am immersed in Access 2007 now.  Sigh.
> 
> Aaahhhhooooooommmmmm this is what I do for a living.
> Aaahhhhooooooommmmmm this is what I do for a living.
> Aaahhhhooooooommmmmm this is what I do for a living.
> 
> Now that I am centered again... I have heard that Access now has built-in
what I have always called SysVars and programmed a solution for, a table /
code for system variables which need to be stored in a table and loaded at
startup.  Is this true?  Where do I find documentation on using it?
> 

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Jan 24 05:03:22 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 12:03:22 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] (H)OT: Tradeshift
Message-ID: <005001cdfa22$6cbed450$463c7cf0$@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Tradeshift is expanding at an interesting rate:

http://tradeshift.com/blog/tradeshift-intuit-partnership/

I wonder what's next:

<quote>
But what?s really interesting is that this isn?t the biggest news we?ll have
all year. It?s not even the biggest news we?ll be announcing in the next
couple of months.
</quote>

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
Sendt: 1. marts 2010 11:57
Til: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Emne: [AccessD] (H)OT: Tradeshift

Hi all

This could represent a major step forward:

<quote>
Tradeshift is the world's first open global business platform. It connects
all suppliers and business partners electronically, delivering better,
smarter and above all, safer business transactions.
</quote>

  http://www.tradeshift.com/

The article in Wired that has boosted this:

  http://www.wired.com/magazine/2010/02/ff_futureofmoney 

It is at page 4.

/gustav 



From jwcolby at gmail.com  Thu Jan 24 07:02:07 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 08:02:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Kicking and screaming
In-Reply-To: <021301cdf9f6$cc6da060$6548e120$@winhaven.net>
References: <50FE9B3F.8050000@gmail.com>,
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5343D0347@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<50FF2179.9638.2D3D6860@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<021301cdf9f6$cc6da060$6548e120$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <510130CF.6030707@gmail.com>

It is a *huge* corporate thing.  Not even close to my decision.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 1/24/2013 12:51 AM, John Bartow wrote:
> ditto
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 5:32 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Kicking and screaming
>
> Hear,Hear!
>
> --
> Stuart
>
> On 22 Jan 2013 at 23:04, Darryl Collins wrote:
>
>> Heh, the only advice I have for you is "Why 2007??"  2010 is a much
>> better behaved beastie.  2007 was the beta release of 2010 in my
>> opinion.  Upgrade as soon as you can I would suggest.
>>
>> Good luck
>>
>> Cheers
>> Darryl
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W
>> Colby
>> Sent: Wednesday, 23 January 2013 12:59 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] Kicking and screaming
>>
>> OK, I am immersed in Access 2007 now.  Sigh.
>>
>> Aaahhhhooooooommmmmm this is what I do for a living.
>> Aaahhhhooooooommmmmm this is what I do for a living.
>> Aaahhhhooooooommmmmm this is what I do for a living.
>>
>> Now that I am centered again... I have heard that Access now has built-in
> what I have always called SysVars and programmed a solution for, a table /
> code for system variables which need to be stored in a table and loaded at
> startup.  Is this true?  Where do I find documentation on using it?
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Jan 24 07:18:23 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 08:18:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fixing Orphaned Rows
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1ie6v1NxgpD775FUBdTBdM6_rDns3p9MhN6E-ZymWerng@mail.gmail.com>

I'm doing some work on an Access db. Some information about some persons is
deemed confidential. Before sending me the db, the client deleted those
persons. Because the original "developer" (not a db professional) pretty
much ignored the rules of RI, rows in other tables are now orphaned.

The PK in the persons table is AutoNumber. My question is this: is there
some way that I can re-add rows to the Persons table and assign the numbers
that correspond to the rows that were deleted? (I can fill in the names
with junk for the time being.)

I realize that I could change the PK from AutoNum to LongInt, then manually
add the missing rows, but once I've done that will I be able to change the
column back to AutoNum? Or is there a better way to handle this?

TIA,

Arthur

From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Thu Jan 24 07:27:46 2013
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 13:27:46 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Fixing Orphaned Rows
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1ie6v1NxgpD775FUBdTBdM6_rDns3p9MhN6E-ZymWerng@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1ie6v1NxgpD775FUBdTBdM6_rDns3p9MhN6E-ZymWerng@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALGJE96zBaRaBdnvDm_o7S1_CDZdZdyosvHMRX3tVJw=-DNLsw@mail.gmail.com>

Arthur,

Your last bit is similar to how I have done things before, I kept the PK
and added another column as LongInt copied the numbers across and filled in
the blanks, then I deleted the PK field, sorted by the new LongInt field,
then added the original PK field again and you should get matching numbers,
then just delete the LongInt field.

Paul

On 24 January 2013 13:18, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm doing some work on an Access db. Some information about some persons is
> deemed confidential. Before sending me the db, the client deleted those
> persons. Because the original "developer" (not a db professional) pretty
> much ignored the rules of RI, rows in other tables are now orphaned.
>
> The PK in the persons table is AutoNumber. My question is this: is there
> some way that I can re-add rows to the Persons table and assign the numbers
> that correspond to the rows that were deleted? (I can fill in the names
> with junk for the time being.)
>
> I realize that I could change the PK from AutoNum to LongInt, then manually
> add the missing rows, but once I've done that will I be able to change the
> column back to AutoNum? Or is there a better way to handle this?
>
> TIA,
>
> Arthur
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Jan 24 07:36:26 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 08:36:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fixing Orphaned Rows
In-Reply-To: <CALGJE96zBaRaBdnvDm_o7S1_CDZdZdyosvHMRX3tVJw=-DNLsw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1ie6v1NxgpD775FUBdTBdM6_rDns3p9MhN6E-ZymWerng@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALGJE96zBaRaBdnvDm_o7S1_CDZdZdyosvHMRX3tVJw=-DNLsw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1h-npf6sEMciRpVtoBn9sfAWzDeSWFCPU6=pXvULJg0Cg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Paul. I'll make a copy of the original table and give it a shot.

A.

From jwcolby at gmail.com  Thu Jan 24 07:37:16 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 08:37:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Citrix
Message-ID: <5101390C.6010306@gmail.com>

I got a contract for IBM over in Research Triangle Park Durham NC. They assigned me a desktop 
computer for now which I am given admin rights on.  It run Windows XP Professional x32 and has 3 
gigs of RAM.

Many of the developers install everything on their desktop and work from there however the official 
mantra is that we are supposed to use a Citrix machine provided to us.  I have never used Citrix 
before.  Assuming it would also be Windows XP I checked this morning and imagine my surprise when it 
claims to be Windows 2003 R2 X64 with 4 cores and 16 gigs RAM.

My question then is what does this really mean, i.e.how does Citrix work?  It is it an emulation of 
the real machine behind it?  Is the actual server a quad core with 16 gigs running Server 2003 R2 
X64? Or is it a virtual machine with N cores and X gigs emulated?

In any case I do not have admin rights on that machine so every time I make any change in Access 
which would go to the registry it holds the changes until I log off Citrix and then the next time in 
things are back to the original configuration.  Likewise I cannot install anything myself, and 
getting anything installed is not a trivial task.  I like to use MZ-Tools with Access, and I can 
install it local, but it is not on IBM's "approved vendor list" so it will never be used on the 
Citrix machine.

Oh the joy.

-- 
John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Jan 24 08:04:58 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 06:04:58 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Fixing Orphaned Rows
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1ie6v1NxgpD775FUBdTBdM6_rDns3p9MhN6E-ZymWerng@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1ie6v1NxgpD775FUBdTBdM6_rDns3p9MhN6E-ZymWerng@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7C73515042694EC7820BEE491B2FE367@HAL9007>

I've done it that way before but you can't establish RI unless all of the
FKs in the other tables have a PK in the Person table. Of course, that's one
way to assure you've got no other orphaned records.  But if you just want to
establish a few person records for testing and development, and need RI,
then that won't work.

Faster, if your client will cooperate, is to have them make a copy of the
original database and then delete the names, social security numbers, etc.
So all the person records are there, just no confidential info.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 5:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Fixing Orphaned Rows

I'm doing some work on an Access db. Some information about some persons is
deemed confidential. Before sending me the db, the client deleted those
persons. Because the original "developer" (not a db professional) pretty
much ignored the rules of RI, rows in other tables are now orphaned.

The PK in the persons table is AutoNumber. My question is this: is there
some way that I can re-add rows to the Persons table and assign the numbers
that correspond to the rows that were deleted? (I can fill in the names with
junk for the time being.)

I realize that I could change the PK from AutoNum to LongInt, then manually
add the missing rows, but once I've done that will I be able to change the
column back to AutoNum? Or is there a better way to handle this?

TIA,

Arthur
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Jan 24 08:10:14 2013
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 09:10:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fixing Orphaned Rows
References: <CAEPJO1ie6v1NxgpD775FUBdTBdM6_rDns3p9MhN6E-ZymWerng@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E741F381CE9048508D1AAB1FD4967695@SusanHarkins>

I'd insist on signing some kind of confidentiality clause and working with 
the real thing. That's a ridiculous restriction.

Susan H.


>
> I realize that I could change the PK from AutoNum to LongInt, then 
> manually
> add the missing rows, but once I've done that will I be able to change the
> column back to AutoNum? Or is there a better way to handle this?
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Jan 24 08:19:58 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 09:19:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fixing Orphaned Rows
In-Reply-To: <E741F381CE9048508D1AAB1FD4967695@SusanHarkins>
References: <CAEPJO1ie6v1NxgpD775FUBdTBdM6_rDns3p9MhN6E-ZymWerng@mail.gmail.com>
	<E741F381CE9048508D1AAB1FD4967695@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gymDvWQBp9zYv5bYL6UnBsw5p4UWYAKJPW7dySDSzb-Q@mail.gmail.com>

Susan,

Not meaning to trounce on your opinion, but I don't find the restriction
ridiculous in the slightest. For example, I once worked for a couple of
years on a eHealth app in which we had the medical history of everyone in
Ontario that had an OHIP card (Ontario Health Insurance Plan). Even the SQL
programmers were not allowed to see much of the actual data. The head DBA
in this case created views and stored procedures that replaced the actual
data with junk characters. Consider just one of many possible scenarios:
suppose I'm dating a new woman, and decide to run a check whether she's
ever had an AIDS test. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

A.

From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Jan 24 08:39:54 2013
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 09:39:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Citrix
In-Reply-To: <5101390C.6010306@gmail.com>
References: <5101390C.6010306@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2BC8CD9821D34AF0ACFC10D1266D943E@XPS>

<<My question then is what does this really mean, i.e.how does Citrix work?
It is it an emulation of 
the real machine behind it?  Is the actual server a quad core with 16 gigs
running Server 2003 R2 
X64? Or is it a virtual machine with N cores and X gigs emulated?>>

"Citrix" covers a wide range of products including server virtualization, so
whether that's a real physical server or not is hard to say.

For example, if their running XenServer, then it's not a real server.

If their running something like Citrix Access Essentials, then as far as
Citrix is concerned, all you've got is a view onto a terminal services
server.  That might be a real physical server or not. 

Given that it's IBM, I'd be surprised if it was an actual physical server.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 08:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Citrix

I got a contract for IBM over in Research Triangle Park Durham NC. They
assigned me a desktop 
computer for now which I am given admin rights on.  It run Windows XP
Professional x32 and has 3 
gigs of RAM.

Many of the developers install everything on their desktop and work from
there however the official 
mantra is that we are supposed to use a Citrix machine provided to us.  I
have never used Citrix 
before.  Assuming it would also be Windows XP I checked this morning and
imagine my surprise when it 
claims to be Windows 2003 R2 X64 with 4 cores and 16 gigs RAM.

My question then is what does this really mean, i.e.how does Citrix work?
It is it an emulation of 
the real machine behind it?  Is the actual server a quad core with 16 gigs
running Server 2003 R2 
X64? Or is it a virtual machine with N cores and X gigs emulated?

In any case I do not have admin rights on that machine so every time I make
any change in Access 
which would go to the registry it holds the changes until I log off Citrix
and then the next time in 
things are back to the original configuration.  Likewise I cannot install
anything myself, and 
getting anything installed is not a trivial task.  I like to use MZ-Tools
with Access, and I can 
install it local, but it is not on IBM's "approved vendor list" so it will
never be used on the 
Citrix machine.

Oh the joy.

-- 
John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

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From df.waters at comcast.net  Thu Jan 24 08:42:52 2013
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 08:42:52 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Citrix
In-Reply-To: <5101390C.6010306@gmail.com>
References: <5101390C.6010306@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001c01cdfa41$174134e0$45c39ea0$@comcast.net>

Hi John,

One of my customers has my Access system on their Citrix server.  Citrix is
an application that is installed on a server.  It is designed to allow users
to run some or all their software on the server, while they are physically
somewhere else.  This turns their desktop PC into just a terminal for the
applications the use via Citrix.  

In my customer's case, the purpose of Citrix is to allow users who are not
connected to the LAN at their headquarters in Minneapolis to run my system
at a reasonable level of performance.  (As we all know, Access on a WAN
doesn't work.)  It works pretty well, with users at many locations in the
US, Mexico, and also Asia.  Also, when people are away from work with their
laptop, they can log into the company network with a VPN, then log into
Citrix, and then log into my system - and still get reasonable performance.


However, all the people who connect to the LAN log into my Access system
directly using separate FE's on their PC's - it's noticeable faster than
logging into Citrix.

Companies might also use a Citrix server for all PC's on their LAN so that
everyone's PC is essentially a terminal.  This can give the IT department a
high degree of control over app versions, preventing the installation of
personal apps, etc.

But why you would be given a PC which is actually a server with Citrix on it
for your personal use is beyond what I know.  I'd say take some of those
developers out to lunch and find out what's really going on!

Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 7:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Citrix

I got a contract for IBM over in Research Triangle Park Durham NC. They
assigned me a desktop computer for now which I am given admin rights on.  It
run Windows XP Professional x32 and has 3 gigs of RAM.

Many of the developers install everything on their desktop and work from
there however the official mantra is that we are supposed to use a Citrix
machine provided to us.  I have never used Citrix before.  Assuming it would
also be Windows XP I checked this morning and imagine my surprise when it
claims to be Windows 2003 R2 X64 with 4 cores and 16 gigs RAM.

My question then is what does this really mean, i.e.how does Citrix work?
It is it an emulation of the real machine behind it?  Is the actual server a
quad core with 16 gigs running Server 2003 R2 X64? Or is it a virtual
machine with N cores and X gigs emulated?

In any case I do not have admin rights on that machine so every time I make
any change in Access which would go to the registry it holds the changes
until I log off Citrix and then the next time in things are back to the
original configuration.  Likewise I cannot install anything myself, and
getting anything installed is not a trivial task.  I like to use MZ-Tools
with Access, and I can install it local, but it is not on IBM's "approved
vendor list" so it will never be used on the Citrix machine.

Oh the joy.

--
John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Thu Jan 24 09:00:09 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 10:00:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Citrix
In-Reply-To: <2BC8CD9821D34AF0ACFC10D1266D943E@XPS>
References: <5101390C.6010306@gmail.com> <2BC8CD9821D34AF0ACFC10D1266D943E@XPS>
Message-ID: <51014C79.30208@gmail.com>

 >Given that it's IBM, I'd be surprised if it was an actual physical server.

Me too but why Server 2003 as the OS?

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 1/24/2013 9:39 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
> <<My question then is what does this really mean, i.e.how does Citrix work?
> It is it an emulation of
> the real machine behind it?  Is the actual server a quad core with 16 gigs
> running Server 2003 R2
> X64? Or is it a virtual machine with N cores and X gigs emulated?>>
>
> "Citrix" covers a wide range of products including server virtualization, so
> whether that's a real physical server or not is hard to say.
>
> For example, if their running XenServer, then it's not a real server.
>
> If their running something like Citrix Access Essentials, then as far as
> Citrix is concerned, all you've got is a view onto a terminal services
> server.  That might be a real physical server or not.
>
> Given that it's IBM, I'd be surprised if it was an actual physical server.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 08:37 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Citrix
>
> I got a contract for IBM over in Research Triangle Park Durham NC. They
> assigned me a desktop
> computer for now which I am given admin rights on.  It run Windows XP
> Professional x32 and has 3
> gigs of RAM.
>
> Many of the developers install everything on their desktop and work from
> there however the official
> mantra is that we are supposed to use a Citrix machine provided to us.  I
> have never used Citrix
> before.  Assuming it would also be Windows XP I checked this morning and
> imagine my surprise when it
> claims to be Windows 2003 R2 X64 with 4 cores and 16 gigs RAM.
>
> My question then is what does this really mean, i.e.how does Citrix work?
> It is it an emulation of
> the real machine behind it?  Is the actual server a quad core with 16 gigs
> running Server 2003 R2
> X64? Or is it a virtual machine with N cores and X gigs emulated?
>
> In any case I do not have admin rights on that machine so every time I make
> any change in Access
> which would go to the registry it holds the changes until I log off Citrix
> and then the next time in
> things are back to the original configuration.  Likewise I cannot install
> anything myself, and
> getting anything installed is not a trivial task.  I like to use MZ-Tools
> with Access, and I can
> install it local, but it is not on IBM's "approved vendor list" so it will
> never be used on the
> Citrix machine.
>
> Oh the joy.
>


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Thu Jan 24 09:05:14 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 10:05:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Citrix
In-Reply-To: <001c01cdfa41$174134e0$45c39ea0$@comcast.net>
References: <5101390C.6010306@gmail.com>
	<001c01cdfa41$174134e0$45c39ea0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <51014DAA.4000800@gmail.com>

My actual desktop is just a workstation, a dual core with 3 gigs running XP Professional X32. It is 
not a server machine.  When I look at the Citrix machine properties I see a quad core with 16 gigs 
ram running Windows 2003 R2 X64.

So my workstation can run things local or can start a Citrix instance.  My machine is not a server 
running Citrix for other people to remote in.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 1/24/2013 9:42 AM, Dan Waters wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> One of my customers has my Access system on their Citrix server.  Citrix is
> an application that is installed on a server.  It is designed to allow users
> to run some or all their software on the server, while they are physically
> somewhere else.  This turns their desktop PC into just a terminal for the
> applications the use via Citrix.
>
> In my customer's case, the purpose of Citrix is to allow users who are not
> connected to the LAN at their headquarters in Minneapolis to run my system
> at a reasonable level of performance.  (As we all know, Access on a WAN
> doesn't work.)  It works pretty well, with users at many locations in the
> US, Mexico, and also Asia.  Also, when people are away from work with their
> laptop, they can log into the company network with a VPN, then log into
> Citrix, and then log into my system - and still get reasonable performance.
>
>
> However, all the people who connect to the LAN log into my Access system
> directly using separate FE's on their PC's - it's noticeable faster than
> logging into Citrix.
>
> Companies might also use a Citrix server for all PC's on their LAN so that
> everyone's PC is essentially a terminal.  This can give the IT department a
> high degree of control over app versions, preventing the installation of
> personal apps, etc.
>
> But why you would be given a PC which is actually a server with Citrix on it
> for your personal use is beyond what I know.  I'd say take some of those
> developers out to lunch and find out what's really going on!
>
> Good Luck!
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 7:37 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Citrix
>
> I got a contract for IBM over in Research Triangle Park Durham NC. They
> assigned me a desktop computer for now which I am given admin rights on.  It
> run Windows XP Professional x32 and has 3 gigs of RAM.
>
> Many of the developers install everything on their desktop and work from
> there however the official mantra is that we are supposed to use a Citrix
> machine provided to us.  I have never used Citrix before.  Assuming it would
> also be Windows XP I checked this morning and imagine my surprise when it
> claims to be Windows 2003 R2 X64 with 4 cores and 16 gigs RAM.
>
> My question then is what does this really mean, i.e.how does Citrix work?
> It is it an emulation of the real machine behind it?  Is the actual server a
> quad core with 16 gigs running Server 2003 R2 X64? Or is it a virtual
> machine with N cores and X gigs emulated?
>
> In any case I do not have admin rights on that machine so every time I make
> any change in Access which would go to the registry it holds the changes
> until I log off Citrix and then the next time in things are back to the
> original configuration.  Likewise I cannot install anything myself, and
> getting anything installed is not a trivial task.  I like to use MZ-Tools
> with Access, and I can install it local, but it is not on IBM's "approved
> vendor list" so it will never be used on the Citrix machine.
>
> Oh the joy.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Jan 24 09:37:38 2013
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 10:37:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Citrix
In-Reply-To: <51014C79.30208@gmail.com>
References: <5101390C.6010306@gmail.com> <2BC8CD9821D34AF0ACFC10D1266D943E@XPS>
	<51014C79.30208@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <814C2B570D264C5090E023A52372FB7F@XPS>



 There are many business that still run Windows Server 2003 even today.  In
fact I would even say most.  Despite what Microsoft thinks, it's not easy to
always be on the latest release, VM or not.

 Middleware (backup software, anti-virus, spam control, firewalls, etc) and
application software all need to be in agreement about what they can run
under.  And in regards to stability and ROI, it's in a company's best
interest to stay on something as long as possible.   With the economy having
been what its been since 2008, a lot of companies are just starting to
entertain moving to Windows 2008 server.   I haven't heard of anyone moving
to 2012 yet...it's just too new.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 10:00 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Citrix

 >Given that it's IBM, I'd be surprised if it was an actual physical server.

Me too but why Server 2003 as the OS?

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 1/24/2013 9:39 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
> <<My question then is what does this really mean, i.e.how does Citrix
work?
> It is it an emulation of
> the real machine behind it?  Is the actual server a quad core with 16 gigs
> running Server 2003 R2
> X64? Or is it a virtual machine with N cores and X gigs emulated?>>
>
> "Citrix" covers a wide range of products including server virtualization,
so
> whether that's a real physical server or not is hard to say.
>
> For example, if their running XenServer, then it's not a real server.
>
> If their running something like Citrix Access Essentials, then as far as
> Citrix is concerned, all you've got is a view onto a terminal services
> server.  That might be a real physical server or not.
>
> Given that it's IBM, I'd be surprised if it was an actual physical server.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 08:37 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Citrix
>
> I got a contract for IBM over in Research Triangle Park Durham NC. They
> assigned me a desktop
> computer for now which I am given admin rights on.  It run Windows XP
> Professional x32 and has 3
> gigs of RAM.
>
> Many of the developers install everything on their desktop and work from
> there however the official
> mantra is that we are supposed to use a Citrix machine provided to us.  I
> have never used Citrix
> before.  Assuming it would also be Windows XP I checked this morning and
> imagine my surprise when it
> claims to be Windows 2003 R2 X64 with 4 cores and 16 gigs RAM.
>
> My question then is what does this really mean, i.e.how does Citrix work?
> It is it an emulation of
> the real machine behind it?  Is the actual server a quad core with 16 gigs
> running Server 2003 R2
> X64? Or is it a virtual machine with N cores and X gigs emulated?
>
> In any case I do not have admin rights on that machine so every time I
make
> any change in Access
> which would go to the registry it holds the changes until I log off Citrix
> and then the next time in
> things are back to the original configuration.  Likewise I cannot install
> anything myself, and
> getting anything installed is not a trivial task.  I like to use MZ-Tools
> with Access, and I can
> install it local, but it is not on IBM's "approved vendor list" so it will
> never be used on the
> Citrix machine.
>
> Oh the joy.
>

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From dbdoug at gmail.com  Thu Jan 24 10:37:44 2013
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 08:37:44 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Fixing Orphaned Rows
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gymDvWQBp9zYv5bYL6UnBsw5p4UWYAKJPW7dySDSzb-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1ie6v1NxgpD775FUBdTBdM6_rDns3p9MhN6E-ZymWerng@mail.gmail.com>
	<E741F381CE9048508D1AAB1FD4967695@SusanHarkins>
	<CAEPJO1gymDvWQBp9zYv5bYL6UnBsw5p4UWYAKJPW7dySDSzb-Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFa8NkipCETPiYEpZqZ+bn4QjrBXAEY8GXsjgDBT-r2kPbnP2g@mail.gmail.com>

I've had success in the past by writing an insert query which forced the
missing ID into the table.  But this was only for one or two records.  You
might be able to build a table of missing IDs and use this to push the IDs
into the master table.

HOWEVER, if I remember rightly, this can confuse the Autonumber system.
 After doing the update queries, you need to compact and repair the
database and check that the autonumber is working properly.

Doug


On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 6:19 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> Susan,
>
> Not meaning to trounce on your opinion, but I don't find the restriction
> ridiculous in the slightest. For example, I once worked for a couple of
> years on a eHealth app in which we had the medical history of everyone in
> Ontario that had an OHIP card (Ontario Health Insurance Plan). Even the SQL
> programmers were not allowed to see much of the actual data. The head DBA
> in this case created views and stored procedures that replaced the actual
> data with junk characters. Consider just one of many possible scenarios:
> suppose I'm dating a new woman, and decide to run a check whether she's
> ever had an AIDS test. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
>
> A.
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Jan 24 12:38:37 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 10:38:37 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] (H)OT: Tradeshift
In-Reply-To: <005001cdfa22$6cbed450$463c7cf0$@cactus.dk>
References: <005001cdfa22$6cbed450$463c7cf0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <517117B74CA54FB597B912553953AAC0@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Wow this is big...and I had never heard of them before (shows you what I
know).

Reading through, it seems this company now has the capability to host every
company that has a store and do it for real cheap. The whole operation is
Cloud based as if, not for its new size, that would be impressive. 

The list of inexpensive or free software is impressive:
https://go.tradeshift.com/apps/list

Thanks for posting this Gustav but that move will undoubtedly be on every
news in the world.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 3:03 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] (H)OT: Tradeshift

Hi all

Tradeshift is expanding at an interesting rate:

http://tradeshift.com/blog/tradeshift-intuit-partnership/

I wonder what's next:

<quote>
But what?s really interesting is that this isn?t the biggest news we?ll have
all year. It?s not even the biggest news we?ll be announcing in the next
couple of months.
</quote>

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
Sendt: 1. marts 2010 11:57
Til: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Emne: [AccessD] (H)OT: Tradeshift

Hi all

This could represent a major step forward:

<quote>
Tradeshift is the world's first open global business platform. It connects
all suppliers and business partners electronically, delivering better,
smarter and above all, safer business transactions.
</quote>

  http://www.tradeshift.com/

The article in Wired that has boosted this:

  http://www.wired.com/magazine/2010/02/ff_futureofmoney 

It is at page 4.

/gustav 


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Jan 24 12:50:07 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 10:50:07 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Fixing Orphaned Rows
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1ie6v1NxgpD775FUBdTBdM6_rDns3p9MhN6E-ZymWerng@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1ie6v1NxgpD775FUBdTBdM6_rDns3p9MhN6E-ZymWerng@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <22D943AEA4DC4D858D80F73F65180FB6@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Interesting question...

Had the same situation about two weeks ago, in a different database, caused
by a different reason. When it happened I did as you are thinking, changed
the autonumber field to a number, added in the lost autonumber rows, sorted
the tables but the numeric field, exported the effected tables, deleted the
old tables after making a similar structure empty tables and imported the
saved data in the new tables with the changed numeric fields to Autonumber.
To make a long story short; it worked.

This method should work for an Access table.(?)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 5:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Fixing Orphaned Rows

I'm doing some work on an Access db. Some information about some persons is
deemed confidential. Before sending me the db, the client deleted those
persons. Because the original "developer" (not a db professional) pretty
much ignored the rules of RI, rows in other tables are now orphaned.

The PK in the persons table is AutoNumber. My question is this: is there
some way that I can re-add rows to the Persons table and assign the numbers
that correspond to the rows that were deleted? (I can fill in the names
with junk for the time being.)

I realize that I could change the PK from AutoNum to LongInt, then manually
add the missing rows, but once I've done that will I be able to change the
column back to AutoNum? Or is there a better way to handle this?

TIA,

Arthur
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Thu Jan 24 13:08:52 2013
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 11:08:52 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Kicking and screaming
In-Reply-To: <510130CF.6030707@gmail.com>
References: <50FE9B3F.8050000@gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5343D0347@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<50FF2179.9638.2D3D6860@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<021301cdf9f6$cc6da060$6548e120$@winhaven.net>
	<510130CF.6030707@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9gj0OFshs0hNz3D3-mie9gA-LM-qW-_gBoo557zdpLsA@mail.gmail.com>

I hear you, John.  When I contracted at Delta Dental the standard was 2007.
 They were just toying with 2010.

Charlotte

On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 5:02 AM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> It is a *huge* corporate thing.  Not even close to my decision.
>
>
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 1/24/2013 12:51 AM, John Bartow wrote:
>
>> ditto
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>> On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 5:32 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Kicking and screaming
>>
>> Hear,Hear!
>>
>> --
>> Stuart
>>
>> On 22 Jan 2013 at 23:04, Darryl Collins wrote:
>>
>>  Heh, the only advice I have for you is "Why 2007??"  2010 is a much
>>> better behaved beastie.  2007 was the beta release of 2010 in my
>>> opinion.  Upgrade as soon as you can I would suggest.
>>>
>>> Good luck
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Darryl
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>>> On Behalf Of John W
>>> Colby
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 23 January 2013 12:59 AM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: [AccessD] Kicking and screaming
>>>
>>> OK, I am immersed in Access 2007 now.  Sigh.
>>>
>>> Aaahhhhooooooommmmmm this is what I do for a living.
>>> Aaahhhhooooooommmmmm this is what I do for a living.
>>> Aaahhhhooooooommmmmm this is what I do for a living.
>>>
>>> Now that I am centered again... I have heard that Access now has built-in
>>>
>> what I have always called SysVars and programmed a solution for, a table /
>> code for system variables which need to be stored in a table and loaded at
>> startup.  Is this true?  Where do I find documentation on using it?
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Jan 24 13:15:28 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 11:15:28 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Citrix
In-Reply-To: <5101390C.6010306@gmail.com>
References: <5101390C.6010306@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E8339D37FB954DA0BF900EF24D4B1482@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Does this mean you are actully running through a remote connection off your
desktop?

All the banks around here uses remote methods, through Citrix, to run all
their applications...printing can be tricky though as a print request, comes
from head-office, where everything is hosted, back east, to a local router
and is re-directed by the smarthub to the local network printers, near or on
your desktop. Every printer in their entire company has a different IP
address/subdomain so anyone can print to any printer the company owns or
associates with, on the contenient (world?). You can imagine the problems if
some IP number gets set wrong...a huge security issue.

You should have no problems. ;-)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 5:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Citrix

I got a contract for IBM over in Research Triangle Park Durham NC. They
assigned me a desktop 
computer for now which I am given admin rights on.  It run Windows XP
Professional x32 and has 3 
gigs of RAM.

Many of the developers install everything on their desktop and work from
there however the official 
mantra is that we are supposed to use a Citrix machine provided to us.  I
have never used Citrix 
before.  Assuming it would also be Windows XP I checked this morning and
imagine my surprise when it 
claims to be Windows 2003 R2 X64 with 4 cores and 16 gigs RAM.

My question then is what does this really mean, i.e.how does Citrix work?
It is it an emulation of 
the real machine behind it?  Is the actual server a quad core with 16 gigs
running Server 2003 R2 
X64? Or is it a virtual machine with N cores and X gigs emulated?

In any case I do not have admin rights on that machine so every time I make
any change in Access 
which would go to the registry it holds the changes until I log off Citrix
and then the next time in 
things are back to the original configuration.  Likewise I cannot install
anything myself, and 
getting anything installed is not a trivial task.  I like to use MZ-Tools
with Access, and I can 
install it local, but it is not on IBM's "approved vendor list" so it will
never be used on the 
Citrix machine.

Oh the joy.

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Jan 24 13:20:52 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 11:20:52 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Citrix
In-Reply-To: <51014C79.30208@gmail.com>
References: <5101390C.6010306@gmail.com> <2BC8CD9821D34AF0ACFC10D1266D943E@XPS>
	<51014C79.30208@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0B657736CB634B0CA17281E0AE0DA580@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Server2003 is one of the most stable Windows versions ever made...it is
fully multi-user and multi-tasking; just like any Linux box. ;-)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 7:00 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Citrix

 >Given that it's IBM, I'd be surprised if it was an actual physical server.

Me too but why Server 2003 as the OS?

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 1/24/2013 9:39 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
> <<My question then is what does this really mean, i.e.how does Citrix
work?
> It is it an emulation of
> the real machine behind it?  Is the actual server a quad core with 16 gigs
> running Server 2003 R2
> X64? Or is it a virtual machine with N cores and X gigs emulated?>>
>
> "Citrix" covers a wide range of products including server virtualization,
so
> whether that's a real physical server or not is hard to say.
>
> For example, if their running XenServer, then it's not a real server.
>
> If their running something like Citrix Access Essentials, then as far as
> Citrix is concerned, all you've got is a view onto a terminal services
> server.  That might be a real physical server or not.
>
> Given that it's IBM, I'd be surprised if it was an actual physical server.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 08:37 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Citrix
>
> I got a contract for IBM over in Research Triangle Park Durham NC. They
> assigned me a desktop
> computer for now which I am given admin rights on.  It run Windows XP
> Professional x32 and has 3
> gigs of RAM.
>
> Many of the developers install everything on their desktop and work from
> there however the official
> mantra is that we are supposed to use a Citrix machine provided to us.  I
> have never used Citrix
> before.  Assuming it would also be Windows XP I checked this morning and
> imagine my surprise when it
> claims to be Windows 2003 R2 X64 with 4 cores and 16 gigs RAM.
>
> My question then is what does this really mean, i.e.how does Citrix work?
> It is it an emulation of
> the real machine behind it?  Is the actual server a quad core with 16 gigs
> running Server 2003 R2
> X64? Or is it a virtual machine with N cores and X gigs emulated?
>
> In any case I do not have admin rights on that machine so every time I
make
> any change in Access
> which would go to the registry it holds the changes until I log off Citrix
> and then the next time in
> things are back to the original configuration.  Likewise I cannot install
> anything myself, and
> getting anything installed is not a trivial task.  I like to use MZ-Tools
> with Access, and I can
> install it local, but it is not on IBM's "approved vendor list" so it will
> never be used on the
> Citrix machine.
>
> Oh the joy.
>

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Jan 24 13:25:04 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 11:25:04 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Citrix
In-Reply-To: <814C2B570D264C5090E023A52372FB7F@XPS>
References: <5101390C.6010306@gmail.com>
	<2BC8CD9821D34AF0ACFC10D1266D943E@XPS><51014C79.30208@gmail.com>
	<814C2B570D264C5090E023A52372FB7F@XPS>
Message-ID: <04CB239A254B4578B698BCA0149D1620@creativesystemdesigns.com>

I know dozens of businesses that do.

It has been one of the best kept secret...in business and it is an OS that
Windows should be complemented for. I do all my development work on it
(remotely) as it is as stable as a rock.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 7:38 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Citrix



 There are many business that still run Windows Server 2003 even today.  In
fact I would even say most.  Despite what Microsoft thinks, it's not easy to
always be on the latest release, VM or not.

 Middleware (backup software, anti-virus, spam control, firewalls, etc) and
application software all need to be in agreement about what they can run
under.  And in regards to stability and ROI, it's in a company's best
interest to stay on something as long as possible.   With the economy having
been what its been since 2008, a lot of companies are just starting to
entertain moving to Windows 2008 server.   I haven't heard of anyone moving
to 2012 yet...it's just too new.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 10:00 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Citrix

 >Given that it's IBM, I'd be surprised if it was an actual physical server.

Me too but why Server 2003 as the OS?

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 1/24/2013 9:39 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
> <<My question then is what does this really mean, i.e.how does Citrix
work?
> It is it an emulation of
> the real machine behind it?  Is the actual server a quad core with 16 gigs
> running Server 2003 R2
> X64? Or is it a virtual machine with N cores and X gigs emulated?>>
>
> "Citrix" covers a wide range of products including server virtualization,
so
> whether that's a real physical server or not is hard to say.
>
> For example, if their running XenServer, then it's not a real server.
>
> If their running something like Citrix Access Essentials, then as far as
> Citrix is concerned, all you've got is a view onto a terminal services
> server.  That might be a real physical server or not.
>
> Given that it's IBM, I'd be surprised if it was an actual physical server.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 08:37 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Citrix
>
> I got a contract for IBM over in Research Triangle Park Durham NC. They
> assigned me a desktop
> computer for now which I am given admin rights on.  It run Windows XP
> Professional x32 and has 3
> gigs of RAM.
>
> Many of the developers install everything on their desktop and work from
> there however the official
> mantra is that we are supposed to use a Citrix machine provided to us.  I
> have never used Citrix
> before.  Assuming it would also be Windows XP I checked this morning and
> imagine my surprise when it
> claims to be Windows 2003 R2 X64 with 4 cores and 16 gigs RAM.
>
> My question then is what does this really mean, i.e.how does Citrix work?
> It is it an emulation of
> the real machine behind it?  Is the actual server a quad core with 16 gigs
> running Server 2003 R2
> X64? Or is it a virtual machine with N cores and X gigs emulated?
>
> In any case I do not have admin rights on that machine so every time I
make
> any change in Access
> which would go to the registry it holds the changes until I log off Citrix
> and then the next time in
> things are back to the original configuration.  Likewise I cannot install
> anything myself, and
> getting anything installed is not a trivial task.  I like to use MZ-Tools
> with Access, and I can
> install it local, but it is not on IBM's "approved vendor list" so it will
> never be used on the
> Citrix machine.
>
> Oh the joy.
>

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Jan 24 14:49:51 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 15:49:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fixing Orphaned Rows
In-Reply-To: <22D943AEA4DC4D858D80F73F65180FB6@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <CAEPJO1ie6v1NxgpD775FUBdTBdM6_rDns3p9MhN6E-ZymWerng@mail.gmail.com>
	<22D943AEA4DC4D858D80F73F65180FB6@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1i9yyKCpnoxzzwQV9Tx0PEdh7y9fNgU=JfOYbRJZ0gbwQ@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, it worked just fine with my Access table and RI is now firmly in place.

A.

From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Jan 24 17:17:40 2013
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 23:17:40 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Kicking and screaming
In-Reply-To: <510130CF.6030707@gmail.com>
References: <50FE9B3F.8050000@gmail.com>,
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5343D0347@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<50FF2179.9638.2D3D6860@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
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	<510130CF.6030707@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5343E1524@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Aaah, I see.  Boy I got lucky as I spent many years working in big corporate land and they were always a gen or two behind the latest releases (and for good reasons usually).  Weeks before Office 2007 was due to be rolled out where I was working I changed jobs and the much smaller more agile place I work at now were already using 2010 (thankfully).

I was involved with testing 2007 in corporate land 4 years back and it wasn't a pleasant experience - so much of it was utterly annoying and flaky - especially Access and Excel charts.  Office 2010 on the other hand I really like using and is generally well behaved and logical.

For corporate folks it is likely to be several years yet before Office 2010 is available to most of them.

Good luck John, I suggest you buff up on your profanities, they will come in very handy.

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
Sent: Friday, 25 January 2013 12:02 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Kicking and screaming

It is a *huge* corporate thing.  Not even close to my decision.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 1/24/2013 12:51 AM, John Bartow wrote:
> ditto
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart 
> McLachlan
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 5:32 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Kicking and screaming
>
> Hear,Hear!
>
> --
> Stuart
>
> On 22 Jan 2013 at 23:04, Darryl Collins wrote:
>
>> Heh, the only advice I have for you is "Why 2007??"  2010 is a much 
>> better behaved beastie.  2007 was the beta release of 2010 in my 
>> opinion.  Upgrade as soon as you can I would suggest.
>>
>> Good luck
>>
>> Cheers
>> Darryl
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W 
>> Colby
>> Sent: Wednesday, 23 January 2013 12:59 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] Kicking and screaming
>>
>> OK, I am immersed in Access 2007 now.  Sigh.
>>
>> Aaahhhhooooooommmmmm this is what I do for a living.
>> Aaahhhhooooooommmmmm this is what I do for a living.
>> Aaahhhhooooooommmmmm this is what I do for a living.
>>
>> Now that I am centered again... I have heard that Access now has 
>> built-in
> what I have always called SysVars and programmed a solution for, a 
> table / code for system variables which need to be stored in a table 
> and loaded at startup.  Is this true?  Where do I find documentation on using it?
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Jan 25 01:46:41 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 08:46:41 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] (H)OT: Tradeshift
Message-ID: <000d01cdfad0$1d2814c0$57783e40$@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

Yes, this has a huge potential for sure.

The idea is that electronic invoicing through Tradeshift is free for both
sender and receiver no matter how many or few invoices you issue. This way
they hope to attract clients to their portal which also offer - for a small
fee - transfer of quotations, orders, and any other document, as well as -
and that is the really interesting part - payment of invoices and, later,
advanced payment - a sort of factoring where the seller may receive the
payment before the buyer pays. This is where PayPal comes in because that,
of course, requires financing.

I can add that for some years invoicing via paper to any authority in
Denmark has not been allowed; you have to send it through some electronic
service - Tradeshift is one. If you snail-mail a paper invoice, it will
simply be rejected. This has been decided to save a vast amount of
unproductive time at the many authorities but also to encourage the private
businesses to implement electronic invoicing, thus saving money. This
happens slowly with some success. Most major corporations now reject paper
invoicing and the trend is moving downwards at some speed. Still, most small
businesses here accept invoices e-mailed as a PDF file.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 24. januar 2013 19:39
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] (H)OT: Tradeshift

Wow this is big...and I had never heard of them before (shows you what I
know).

Reading through, it seems this company now has the capability to host every
company that has a store and do it for real cheap. The whole operation is
Cloud based as if, not for its new size, that would be impressive. 

The list of inexpensive or free software is impressive:
https://go.tradeshift.com/apps/list

Thanks for posting this Gustav but that move will undoubtedly be on every
news in the world.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 3:03 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] (H)OT: Tradeshift

Hi all

Tradeshift is expanding at an interesting rate:

http://tradeshift.com/blog/tradeshift-intuit-partnership/

I wonder what's next:

<quote>
But what?s really interesting is that this isn?t the biggest news we?ll have
all year. It?s not even the biggest news we?ll be announcing in the next
couple of months.
</quote>

/gustav


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
Sendt: 1. marts 2010 11:57
Til: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Emne: [AccessD] (H)OT: Tradeshift

Hi all

This could represent a major step forward:

<quote>
Tradeshift is the world's first open global business platform. It connects
all suppliers and business partners electronically, delivering better,
smarter and above all, safer business transactions.
</quote>

  http://www.tradeshift.com/

The article in Wired that has boosted this:

  http://www.wired.com/magazine/2010/02/ff_futureofmoney 

It is at page 4.

/gustav 



From marksimms at verizon.net  Fri Jan 25 15:01:08 2013
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 16:01:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Citrix
In-Reply-To: <814C2B570D264C5090E023A52372FB7F@XPS>
References: <5101390C.6010306@gmail.com> <2BC8CD9821D34AF0ACFC10D1266D943E@XPS>
	<51014C79.30208@gmail.com> <814C2B570D264C5090E023A52372FB7F@XPS>
Message-ID: <005d01cdfb3f$19ce3bf0$4d6ab3d0$@net>

6 month dev project in Excel 2010.....10k lines of VBA code.
Ran perfectly on Windows/LAN environment.
Crashed on Citrix.
Took 4 weeks to resolve.
Client insisted that it run AS A SINGLE VERSION in both environments....
I had to change the source code actually to make it work....detecting citrix
and putting in timing loops...
and other nonsensical code...just to prevent errors from being raised.

All in all, it was a horrible experience.

HBB: Horrible Beyond Belief



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Jan 25 15:34:59 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 16:34:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access Field Format
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gs2v-RLvw=uGNFtPHbKGyWTi+onKcrKj3Yb2TjMiGeKQ@mail.gmail.com>

In an Access db that I inherited, a bunch of fields (almost all of them)
have been assigned a format of "@". I have never seen this before and have
no inkling what it means.

Do you know?

TIA,
Arthur

From garykjos at gmail.com  Fri Jan 25 15:55:15 2013
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 15:55:15 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access Field Format
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gs2v-RLvw=uGNFtPHbKGyWTi+onKcrKj3Yb2TjMiGeKQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gs2v-RLvw=uGNFtPHbKGyWTi+onKcrKj3Yb2TjMiGeKQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pKKLDhdeZdxMvbu01SWwhOCfV-38gfygoioZyYYs1Ue7g@mail.gmail.com>

@ 	Text character (either a character or a space) is required.

On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
> In an Access db that I inherited, a bunch of fields (almost all of them)
> have been assigned a format of "@". I have never seen this before and have
> no inkling what it means.
>
> Do you know?
>
> TIA,
> Arthur
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Jan 25 16:44:49 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 14:44:49 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Citrix
In-Reply-To: <005d01cdfb3f$19ce3bf0$4d6ab3d0$@net>
References: <5101390C.6010306@gmail.com>
	<2BC8CD9821D34AF0ACFC10D1266D943E@XPS><51014C79.30208@gmail.com>
	<814C2B570D264C5090E023A52372FB7F@XPS>
	<005d01cdfb3f$19ce3bf0$4d6ab3d0$@net>
Message-ID: <E3332B7C873C4CA88183A6C247FBAB3C@creativesystemdesigns.com>

That is terrible. 

Seeing Microsoft's Terminal Services has a Citrix code those problems seem
troubling. The connections that I have worked with are always Station to
Citrix Linux servers and though I have never done extensive coding there has
never been any major issues either.

I would be interested in hearing details...diabolic curiosity and all. 

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 1:01 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Citrix

6 month dev project in Excel 2010.....10k lines of VBA code.
Ran perfectly on Windows/LAN environment.
Crashed on Citrix.
Took 4 weeks to resolve.
Client insisted that it run AS A SINGLE VERSION in both environments....
I had to change the source code actually to make it work....detecting citrix
and putting in timing loops...
and other nonsensical code...just to prevent errors from being raised.

All in all, it was a horrible experience.

HBB: Horrible Beyond Belief


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Jan 25 17:24:27 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 09:24:27 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Field Format
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gs2v-RLvw=uGNFtPHbKGyWTi+onKcrKj3Yb2TjMiGeKQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gs2v-RLvw=uGNFtPHbKGyWTi+onKcrKj3Yb2TjMiGeKQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5103142B.19418.3CA97359@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

If it's by itself for a text field, it is pointless. It's only useful in a text formating expression when 
you have multiple formats:

 "if you have a  textbox control in which you want the word "None" to appear when 
there is no string in the field, you could type the custom format @;"None" as the 
control's Format property setting. The @ symbol causes the text from the field to be 
displayed; the second section causes the word "None" to appear when there is a 
zero-length string or Null value in the field."

-- 
Stuart

On 25 Jan 2013 at 16:34, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> In an Access db that I inherited, a bunch of fields (almost all of them)
> have been assigned a format of "@". I have never seen this before and have
> no inkling what it means.
> 
> Do you know?
> 
> TIA,
> Arthur
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Jan 25 17:35:06 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 18:35:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access Field Format
In-Reply-To: <5103142B.19418.3CA97359@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CAEPJO1gs2v-RLvw=uGNFtPHbKGyWTi+onKcrKj3Yb2TjMiGeKQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5103142B.19418.3CA97359@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1j7B+BT3=3uMkrx-wB6ABrHYZNiybnmUHAjJY+Rkm4qSQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks. It would appear that all these fall into the Pointless  category.

A.

From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Fri Jan 25 17:51:44 2013
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 18:51:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access Field Format
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1j7B+BT3=3uMkrx-wB6ABrHYZNiybnmUHAjJY+Rkm4qSQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gs2v-RLvw=uGNFtPHbKGyWTi+onKcrKj3Yb2TjMiGeKQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5103142B.19418.3CA97359@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAEPJO1j7B+BT3=3uMkrx-wB6ABrHYZNiybnmUHAjJY+Rkm4qSQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAuza6P7Diq8W6Dpm29hGCHXYgXfLV02838YvdVS1LWq_w@mail.gmail.com>

Arthur,

See if this is what you're looking for.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/s9cz43ek.aspx

jack

On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> Thanks. It would appear that all these fall into the Pointless  category.
>
> A.
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Jan 25 20:18:27 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 21:18:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access Field Format
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAuza6P7Diq8W6Dpm29hGCHXYgXfLV02838YvdVS1LWq_w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gs2v-RLvw=uGNFtPHbKGyWTi+onKcrKj3Yb2TjMiGeKQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5103142B.19418.3CA97359@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAEPJO1j7B+BT3=3uMkrx-wB6ABrHYZNiybnmUHAjJY+Rkm4qSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKvidAuza6P7Diq8W6Dpm29hGCHXYgXfLV02838YvdVS1LWq_w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hZhE_dGkVGgKOBQ=W6ApLMcxHdTTrprn_4FDihWuEDKg@mail.gmail.com>

That was useful, Jack, if only to confirm that the amateur who created the
db hasn't a clue. That's not a slag - if it weren't for such people, there
would be less work for us professionals :)

A.

From joeo at appoli.com  Tue Jan 29 12:19:44 2013
From: joeo at appoli.com (Joe O'Connell)
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 13:19:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Integrating PayPal into an Access application
Message-ID: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023FD8889@exch2.Onappsad.net>

I have a customer that wants to accept credit card payment and process
them through PayPal.  The application uses Access 2010.

Has anyone done this?  Any tips or things to avoid?  Sample code to
interface with PayPal?

Joe O'Connell


From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Tue Jan 29 12:43:14 2013
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 07:43:14 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Moonrise
Message-ID: <000001cdfe50$7f4e9e70$7debdb50$@dalyn.co.nz>

Team,

 

I seldom send OT but some of you may be interested in this.

 

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington-central/8236773/Hobbit-
artist-captures-Mt-Vic-moonrise

 

 

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand

 

 

 

 


From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Tue Jan 29 18:32:08 2013
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 18:32:08 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Moonrise
References: <000001cdfe50$7f4e9e70$7debdb50$@dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B39F@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>


Also OT...

In Maui for daughter's wedding.

Looks like a mighty fine place to set up shop!!!

Brad




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of David Emerson
Sent: Tue 1/29/2013 12:43 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Moonrise
 
Team,

 

I seldom send OT but some of you may be interested in this.

 

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington-central/8236773/Hobbit-
artist-captures-Mt-Vic-moonrise

 

 

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand

 

 

 

 

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Jan 30 02:00:43 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 03:00:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Moonrise
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B39F@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <000001cdfe50$7f4e9e70$7debdb50$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B39F@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gD0J0x-R3qs_ZjLJsm1Ht8PoJVJjyG6i2W-Mf4u+T9Qg@mail.gmail.com>

Wow. That is some gorgeous vid. Thanks for sharing.

A.

From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Jan 30 04:14:14 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 11:14:14 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Integrating PayPal into an Access application
In-Reply-To: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023FD8889@exch2.Onappsad.net>
References: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023FD8889@exch2.Onappsad.net>
Message-ID: <002001cdfed2$8e3e7ea0$aabb7be0$@cactus.dk>

Hi Joe

This will not be easy. No one seems to care using VB(A) with the PayPal
APIs:

https://www.x.com/developers/paypal/documentation-tools
https://www.x.com/developers/PayPal/documentation-tools/code-sample/216623

So you will be pretty much on your own.
The solution might be to have a dll programmed that A2010 can utilize.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Joe O'Connell
Sendt: 29. januar 2013 19:20
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: [AccessD] Integrating PayPal into an Access application

I have a customer that wants to accept credit card payment and process them
through PayPal.  The application uses Access 2010.

Has anyone done this?  Any tips or things to avoid?  Sample code to
interface with PayPal?

Joe O'Connell 



From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Jan 30 08:18:37 2013
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 09:18:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Integrating PayPal into an Access application
In-Reply-To: <002001cdfed2$8e3e7ea0$aabb7be0$@cactus.dk>
References: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023FD8889@exch2.Onappsad.net>
	<002001cdfed2$8e3e7ea0$aabb7be0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <AE64ECC7A8E340FFA3B99A4DEB5FC8D7@XPS>


 Might be easier then you think.  Most payment gateways make it fairly easy
to integrate your app.

 I did a VBA interface to Authorize.Net and it was very straight forward.
Was nothing more then making a HTTP request.

 Haven't done PayPal ever, but Joe may want to look in the Forums there
rather then the sample code pages.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 05:14 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Integrating PayPal into an Access application

Hi Joe

This will not be easy. No one seems to care using VB(A) with the PayPal
APIs:

https://www.x.com/developers/paypal/documentation-tools
https://www.x.com/developers/PayPal/documentation-tools/code-sample/216623

So you will be pretty much on your own.
The solution might be to have a dll programmed that A2010 can utilize.

/gustav


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Sendt: 29. januar 2013 19:20
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: [AccessD] Integrating PayPal into an Access application

I have a customer that wants to accept credit card payment and process them
through PayPal.  The application uses Access 2010.

Has anyone done this?  Any tips or things to avoid?  Sample code to
interface with PayPal?

Joe O'Connell 


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From joeo at appoli.com  Wed Jan 30 09:30:15 2013
From: joeo at appoli.com (Joe O'Connell)
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 10:30:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Integrating PayPal into an Access application
In-Reply-To: <AE64ECC7A8E340FFA3B99A4DEB5FC8D7@XPS>
References: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023FD8889@exch2.Onappsad.net><002001cdfed2$8e3e7ea0$aabb7be0$@cactus.dk>
	<AE64ECC7A8E340FFA3B99A4DEB5FC8D7@XPS>
Message-ID: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023FD889B@exch2.Onappsad.net>

Gustav and Jim,

Thanks for the information.  It gives me a place to start.

Joe


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 9:19 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Integrating PayPal into an Access application


 Might be easier then you think.  Most payment gateways make it fairly easy to integrate your app.

 I did a VBA interface to Authorize.Net and it was very straight forward.
Was nothing more then making a HTTP request.

 Haven't done PayPal ever, but Joe may want to look in the Forums there rather then the sample code pages.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 05:14 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Integrating PayPal into an Access application

Hi Joe

This will not be easy. No one seems to care using VB(A) with the PayPal
APIs:

https://www.x.com/developers/paypal/documentation-tools
https://www.x.com/developers/PayPal/documentation-tools/code-sample/216623

So you will be pretty much on your own.
The solution might be to have a dll programmed that A2010 can utilize.

/gustav


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Emne: [AccessD] Integrating PayPal into an Access application

I have a customer that wants to accept credit card payment and process them through PayPal.  The application uses Access 2010.

Has anyone done this?  Any tips or things to avoid?  Sample code to interface with PayPal?

Joe O'Connell 


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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Jan 30 09:40:08 2013
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 10:40:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Integrating PayPal into an Access application
In-Reply-To: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023FD889B@exch2.Onappsad.net>
References: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023FD8889@exch2.Onappsad.net><002001cdfed2$8e3e7ea0$aabb7be0$@cactus.dk>
	<AE64ECC7A8E340FFA3B99A4DEB5FC8D7@XPS>
	<1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023FD889B@exch2.Onappsad.net>
Message-ID: <AA3374A19EBB4BF5BA9E7F545D51900F@XPS>

Joe,

  Look for anything in the forum for Excel or VB as well.  VBA/Classic VB is
so popular, I'd be shocked if you couldn't find some code posted that would
pretty much drop right in.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe O'Connell
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 10:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Integrating PayPal into an Access application

Gustav and Jim,

Thanks for the information.  It gives me a place to start.

Joe


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 9:19 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Integrating PayPal into an Access application


 Might be easier then you think.  Most payment gateways make it fairly easy
to integrate your app.

 I did a VBA interface to Authorize.Net and it was very straight forward.
Was nothing more then making a HTTP request.

 Haven't done PayPal ever, but Joe may want to look in the Forums there
rather then the sample code pages.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 05:14 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Integrating PayPal into an Access application

Hi Joe

This will not be easy. No one seems to care using VB(A) with the PayPal
APIs:

https://www.x.com/developers/paypal/documentation-tools
https://www.x.com/developers/PayPal/documentation-tools/code-sample/216623

So you will be pretty much on your own.
The solution might be to have a dll programmed that A2010 can utilize.

/gustav


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Sendt: 29. januar 2013 19:20
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: [AccessD] Integrating PayPal into an Access application

I have a customer that wants to accept credit card payment and process them
through PayPal.  The application uses Access 2010.

Has anyone done this?  Any tips or things to avoid?  Sample code to
interface with PayPal?

Joe O'Connell 


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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Jan 30 09:55:00 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 10:55:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Integrating PayPal into an Access application
In-Reply-To: <AA3374A19EBB4BF5BA9E7F545D51900F@XPS>
References: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023FD8889@exch2.Onappsad.net>
	<002001cdfed2$8e3e7ea0$aabb7be0$@cactus.dk>
	<AE64ECC7A8E340FFA3B99A4DEB5FC8D7@XPS>
	<1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023FD889B@exch2.Onappsad.net>
	<AA3374A19EBB4BF5BA9E7F545D51900F@XPS>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iurj2Gzer2sUURsWZzUPSgsOnMUfeeXag2XRLn2OpJSw@mail.gmail.com>

At Jim's suggestion, I did a quick Google search on the term "integrate
Paypal into VB" and came up with hundreds of hits, so you're off to the
races, Joe. Should be a cinch from these leads.

Slightly irrelevant plug. Recently I completed a free Google on-line course
called "Power Searching With Google." After using Google for several years,
I thought I pretty much knew my way around the product/service. Not even
close! In that course I learned a Ton of new uses and techniques. I am now
taking the "Advanced Power Searching With Google", and I am wowed and
amazed and awed by what lurks within that simple-looking search bar. The
only proviso I have is that you take the beginning course first, because
the advanced course assumes that you've learned the stuff covered in the
first course.

The Advanced course begins with a series of challenges, to see whether
you've learned the basics as outlined in the simple "Power Searching..."
course. As an example, here is the first challenge (you might want to try
solving it before enrolling):

I was asked recently to find reputable sources for the following statement:
?During the glory days of radio, it was illegal to mimic the voice of the
US president.? Was there actually a law prohibiting that? Or was just a White
House policy and not a legal issue.
Was it law or policy?

A.

From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Jan 30 14:03:12 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 15:03:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Libraries in 2007
Message-ID: <51097C80.7060306@gmail.com>

Is there a specific library extension for the new accdb thing?  Are libraries still kept in MDA 
files?  Are these MDDA files 2003 or older format containers?  If I were to create a new library 
container in 2007 how would I do that?

-- 
John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Thu Jan 31 13:06:33 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 14:06:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrade Access to SQL Server
Message-ID: <510AC0B9.4030705@gmail.com>

I am being asked to upgrade Access FEs which have quite complex SQL Server BE tables, plus 
(apparently) some data from those tables pulled down to the FE and stored there over time as the 
user processes the data in those local FE tables.  They want to move those local tables to SQL Server.

My question is, is there an accepted method for providing this kind of table out in SQL Server?  IOW 
the structure is there, but the data in the table (as seen from the FE ) belongs to that instance of 
the FE.

We place tables local to the FE exactly for this purpose, to make it local to that specific instance 
of the FE, on that specific user, on that specific machine.

It seems that if I am going to do this in SQL Server then I will need to add a "machine ID" kind of 
FK in the tables as I upsize them to SQL Server, then in the Access Application somehow get filtered 
datasets.  This sounds ugly.

-- 
John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Thu Jan 31 13:16:05 2013
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 11:16:05 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrade Access to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <510AC0B9.4030705@gmail.com>
References: <510AC0B9.4030705@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWZGzv9G17V4r9HTjz5QtqwCEC70G-kVNJ9xzOMs5NmE8A@mail.gmail.com>

You can look into # and ## temp tables.

One allows you to keep the temp table for your session, for your user id,
the other allows the table data to be read from other users.

I've had them get created on a Form open event and drop when the form
closes.

It all really depends on how much time the user is going to need them, is
it for a few minutes or are we talking days (or longer?).

I really don't like the idea of a user having his own table stored locally.

your suggestion at the end is probably the best thing to do.

D



On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:06 AM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am being asked to upgrade Access FEs which have quite complex SQL Server
> BE tables, plus (apparently) some data from those tables pulled down to the
> FE and stored there over time as the user processes the data in those local
> FE tables.  They want to move those local tables to SQL Server.
>
> My question is, is there an accepted method for providing this kind of
> table out in SQL Server?  IOW the structure is there, but the data in the
> table (as seen from the FE ) belongs to that instance of the FE.
>
> We place tables local to the FE exactly for this purpose, to make it local
> to that specific instance of the FE, on that specific user, on that
> specific machine.
>
> It seems that if I am going to do this in SQL Server then I will need to
> add a "machine ID" kind of FK in the tables as I upsize them to SQL Server,
> then in the Access Application somehow get filtered datasets.  This sounds
> ugly.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
>

From jwcolby at gmail.com  Thu Jan 31 13:33:46 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 14:33:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrade Access to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWZGzv9G17V4r9HTjz5QtqwCEC70G-kVNJ9xzOMs5NmE8A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <510AC0B9.4030705@gmail.com>
	<CAMhYZWZGzv9G17V4r9HTjz5QtqwCEC70G-kVNJ9xzOMs5NmE8A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <510AC71A.9040605@gmail.com>

The time would be anywhere from hours to weeks or longer.

The "stored locally" is precisely how it is done at the moment.  I am being asked to up-size the 
tables to SQL Server and of course, if I just do the request, we will have all the users mixing 
their data into the same table.  There are existing append / update / delete queries that are 
triggered in various ways, including by the push of buttons.  I can't be more specific simply 
because this is a general question about many different databases.

In any event I will have to analyze what every query does to prevent multi-user issues.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 1/31/2013 2:16 PM, David McAfee wrote:
> You can look into # and ## temp tables.
>
> One allows you to keep the temp table for your session, for your user id,
> the other allows the table data to be read from other users.
>
> I've had them get created on a Form open event and drop when the form
> closes.
>
> It all really depends on how much time the user is going to need them, is
> it for a few minutes or are we talking days (or longer?).
>
> I really don't like the idea of a user having his own table stored locally.
>
> your suggestion at the end is probably the best thing to do.
>
> D
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:06 AM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I am being asked to upgrade Access FEs which have quite complex SQL Server
>> BE tables, plus (apparently) some data from those tables pulled down to the
>> FE and stored there over time as the user processes the data in those local
>> FE tables.  They want to move those local tables to SQL Server.
>>
>> My question is, is there an accepted method for providing this kind of
>> table out in SQL Server?  IOW the structure is there, but the data in the
>> table (as seen from the FE ) belongs to that instance of the FE.
>>
>> We place tables local to the FE exactly for this purpose, to make it local
>> to that specific instance of the FE, on that specific user, on that
>> specific machine.
>>
>> It seems that if I am going to do this in SQL Server then I will need to
>> add a "machine ID" kind of FK in the tables as I upsize them to SQL Server,
>> then in the Access Application somehow get filtered datasets.  This sounds
>> ugly.
>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>>


From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Thu Jan 31 13:36:42 2013
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 13:36:42 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access App to Web Page
Message-ID: <201301311936.r0VJajUo020737@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey All

It has been an interesting month, no new work for about a 1 1/2 years
(almost bought that wiener wagon and retired to the beach) and suddenly I
get 3 requests for upgrades to old existing Apps.

Now a new one.

I just had a prospective client preview an App I had designed for an old
client.

Pros

They loved the program for it's sophistication, simplicity and ease of use
(not blowing my own horn here). Exactly what they are looking for.

Cons

They would like it to be also available on a Web page.

 

Now I have programs running on stand alones and sophisticated networks but
this is all new to me. 

They have a limited budget and would like quote.

 

I guess my question is, is this possible (I figure yes) but at what cost to
develop it??? I mean so many different questions and problems start to
arise.  They mentioned Oracle but I just do not want to go there.

 

Tony Septav

Nanaimo, BC

Canada.

 

 

 


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Jan 31 13:36:34 2013
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 14:36:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrade Access to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <510AC0B9.4030705@gmail.com>
References: <510AC0B9.4030705@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E4147CD962574A30924CBEF61B681980@XPS>


 As David said, temp tables are the way to go.

 But a word of caution; these local tables may be there for performance
reasons. Often you are better off to pull data into a local table and then
report off that rather then going against SQL. That may be why these tables
were put there in the first place other then making sure the data remained
separate from other users.

Jim. 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 02:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrade Access to SQL Server

I am being asked to upgrade Access FEs which have quite complex SQL Server
BE tables, plus 
(apparently) some data from those tables pulled down to the FE and stored
there over time as the 
user processes the data in those local FE tables.  They want to move those
local tables to SQL Server.

My question is, is there an accepted method for providing this kind of table
out in SQL Server?  IOW 
the structure is there, but the data in the table (as seen from the FE )
belongs to that instance of 
the FE.

We place tables local to the FE exactly for this purpose, to make it local
to that specific instance 
of the FE, on that specific user, on that specific machine.

It seems that if I am going to do this in SQL Server then I will need to add
a "machine ID" kind of 
FK in the tables as I upsize them to SQL Server, then in the Access
Application somehow get filtered 
datasets.  This sounds ugly.

-- 
John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Jan 31 13:45:59 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 05:45:59 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrade Access to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <510AC0B9.4030705@gmail.com>
References: <510AC0B9.4030705@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <510AC9F7.17363.4C5D283@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Do not use one table with a MachineID.

Use Schema's. You currently use the default  dbo.MytblTable . 

Create the user tables as schemaname.tblTable

Try this link for a good explanation:
http://blog.sqlauthority.com/2009/09/07/sql-server-importance-of-database-schemas-in-sql-s
erver/


-- 
Stuart


On 31 Jan 2013 at 14:06, John W Colby wrote:

> I am being asked to upgrade Access FEs which have quite complex SQL Server BE tables, plus 
> (apparently) some data from those tables pulled down to the FE and stored there over time as the 
> user processes the data in those local FE tables.  They want to move those local tables to SQL Server.
> 
> My question is, is there an accepted method for providing this kind of table out in SQL Server?  IOW 
> the structure is there, but the data in the table (as seen from the FE ) belongs to that instance of 
> the FE.
> 
> We place tables local to the FE exactly for this purpose, to make it local to that specific instance 
> of the FE, on that specific user, on that specific machine.
> 
> It seems that if I am going to do this in SQL Server then I will need to add a "machine ID" kind of 
> FK in the tables as I upsize them to SQL Server, then in the Access Application somehow get filtered 
> datasets.  This sounds ugly.
> 
> -- 
> John W. Colby
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> -- 
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Thu Jan 31 13:54:50 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 14:54:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrade Access to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <510AC9F7.17363.4C5D283@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <510AC0B9.4030705@gmail.com>
	<510AC9F7.17363.4C5D283@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <510ACC0A.4030708@gmail.com>

I had actually found and read this buut I didn't realize that it applied to the individual records 
inside of the tables.  Suppose I have 10 loan officers, each has his own loans.  Currently they are 
pulled down to thhe FE, worked on over a (longer than a day) time period, then the changes are 
pushed out to files used to feed back into the system.

How does a schema allow each loan officer to have his own set of records on the server without 
append / update / delete conflicts with other loann officers records?

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 1/31/2013 2:45 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> http://blog.sqlauthority.com/2009/09/07/sql-server-importance-of-database-schemas-in-sql-s
> erver/


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Jan 31 14:08:48 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 06:08:48 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Libraries in 2007
In-Reply-To: <51097C80.7060306@gmail.com>
References: <51097C80.7060306@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <510ACF50.28669.4DAB775@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

.accda

Compile to .accde and rename it.

When you open the Addin Manager (at least in 2010) and select New, it offers the choice oc 
*.accda, *.accde, *.mda, *.mde

-- 
Stuart
On 30 Jan 2013 at 15:03, John W Colby wrote:

> Is there a specific library extension for the new accdb thing?  Are libraries still kept in MDA 
> files?  Are these MDDA files 2003 or older format containers?  If I were to create a new library 
> container in 2007 how would I do that?
> 
> -- 
> John W. Colby
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Jan 31 14:15:02 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 06:15:02 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrade Access to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <510ACC0A.4030708@gmail.com>
References: <510AC0B9.4030705@gmail.com>,
	<510AC9F7.17363.4C5D283@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<510ACC0A.4030708@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <510AD0C6.25234.4E06B39@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

You asked about:
" plus (apparently) some data from those tables pulled down to
the FE and stored there over time as the user processes the data in those
local FE tables."

Instead of pulling the data into FE tables, you copy the releavnt records from dbo.tblTable to 
colby.tblTable.   You then do whatever you want with that data.  If you need to subsequently 
update dbo.tblTable, you will need to do whatever you did previously with the data from the 
FE tables.


On 31 Jan 2013 at 14:54, John W Colby wrote:

> I had actually found and read this buut I didn't realize that it applied to the individual records 
> inside of the tables.  Suppose I have 10 loan officers, each has his own loans.  Currently they are 
> pulled down to thhe FE, worked on over a (longer than a day) time period, then the changes are 
> pushed out to files used to feed back into the system.
> 
> How does a schema allow each loan officer to have his own set of records on the server without 
> append / update / delete conflicts with other loann officers records?
> 
> John W. Colby
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> On 1/31/2013 2:45 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> > http://blog.sqlauthority.com/2009/09/07/sql-server-importance-of-database-schemas-in-sql-s
> > erver/
> 
> -- 
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Jan 31 14:14:49 2013
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 15:14:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access App to Web Page
In-Reply-To: <201301311936.r0VJajUo020737@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <201301311936.r0VJajUo020737@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <6A66AAA7E83F4E00BB8295E472975A3E@XPS>


<<They have a limited budget and would like quote.>> 

Have them consider:

 www.eqldata.com

Or depending on the number of users, a terminal services server that they
remote into.  If you use Windows 2008 R2 or Citrix, that can happen in a
browser window.

Beyond that, it's a re-write.  If the app needs are *very* simple, an Access
2013 web database might fit the bill.  Note however you'd need Access
Services for SharePoint (requires an Enterprise license).  But because of
the licensing cost, most opt for an Office 365 subscription.  Since that
brings you back to something like www.eqldata.com (a subscription), why
bother with a re-write at all?

 If they really do want it to run browser based, then ASP.net is usually the
product of choice.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 02:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access App to Web Page

Hey All

It has been an interesting month, no new work for about a 1 1/2 years
(almost bought that wiener wagon and retired to the beach) and suddenly I
get 3 requests for upgrades to old existing Apps.

Now a new one.

I just had a prospective client preview an App I had designed for an old
client.

Pros

They loved the program for it's sophistication, simplicity and ease of use
(not blowing my own horn here). Exactly what they are looking for.

Cons

They would like it to be also available on a Web page.

 

Now I have programs running on stand alones and sophisticated networks but
this is all new to me. 

They have a limited budget and would like quote.

 

I guess my question is, is this possible (I figure yes) but at what cost to
develop it??? I mean so many different questions and problems start to
arise.  They mentioned Oracle but I just do not want to go there.

 

Tony Septav

Nanaimo, BC

Canada.

 

 

 

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From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Thu Jan 31 14:37:04 2013
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 14:37:04 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access App to Web Page
In-Reply-To: <6A66AAA7E83F4E00BB8295E472975A3E@XPS>
Message-ID: <201301312037.r0VKb71Y018237@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey Jim
Thanks. Will do some research.

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: January-31-13 2:15 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access App to Web Page


<<They have a limited budget and would like quote.>> 

Have them consider:

 www.eqldata.com

Or depending on the number of users, a terminal services server that they
remote into.  If you use Windows 2008 R2 or Citrix, that can happen in a
browser window.

Beyond that, it's a re-write.  If the app needs are *very* simple, an Access
2013 web database might fit the bill.  Note however you'd need Access
Services for SharePoint (requires an Enterprise license).  But because of
the licensing cost, most opt for an Office 365 subscription.  Since that
brings you back to something like www.eqldata.com (a subscription), why
bother with a re-write at all?

 If they really do want it to run browser based, then ASP.net is usually the
product of choice.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 02:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access App to Web Page

Hey All

It has been an interesting month, no new work for about a 1 1/2 years
(almost bought that wiener wagon and retired to the beach) and suddenly I
get 3 requests for upgrades to old existing Apps.

Now a new one.

I just had a prospective client preview an App I had designed for an old
client.

Pros

They loved the program for it's sophistication, simplicity and ease of use
(not blowing my own horn here). Exactly what they are looking for.

Cons

They would like it to be also available on a Web page.

 

Now I have programs running on stand alones and sophisticated networks but
this is all new to me. 

They have a limited budget and would like quote.

 

I guess my question is, is this possible (I figure yes) but at what cost to
develop it??? I mean so many different questions and problems start to
arise.  They mentioned Oracle but I just do not want to go there.

 

Tony Septav

Nanaimo, BC

Canada.

 

 

 

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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Thu Jan 31 15:25:43 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 16:25:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrade Access to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <510AD0C6.25234.4E06B39@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <510AC0B9.4030705@gmail.com>,
	<510AC9F7.17363.4C5D283@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<510ACC0A.4030708@gmail.com>
	<510AD0C6.25234.4E06B39@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <510AE157.1030303@gmail.com>

Interesting.  That means dynamically creating a named schema for each user needing this kind of 
thing and then linking to that schema table set, correct?

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 1/31/2013 3:15 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> You asked about:
> " plus (apparently) some data from those tables pulled down to
> the FE and stored there over time as the user processes the data in those
> local FE tables."
>
> Instead of pulling the data into FE tables, you copy the releavnt records from dbo.tblTable to
> colby.tblTable.   You then do whatever you want with that data.  If you need to subsequently
> update dbo.tblTable, you will need to do whatever you did previously with the data from the
> FE tables.
>
>
> On 31 Jan 2013 at 14:54, John W Colby wrote:
>
>> I had actually found and read this buut I didn't realize that it applied to the individual records
>> inside of the tables.  Suppose I have 10 loan officers, each has his own loans.  Currently they are
>> pulled down to thhe FE, worked on over a (longer than a day) time period, then the changes are
>> pushed out to files used to feed back into the system.
>>
>> How does a schema allow each loan officer to have his own set of records on the server without
>> append / update / delete conflicts with other loann officers records?
>>
>> John W. Colby
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> On 1/31/2013 2:45 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
>>> http://blog.sqlauthority.com/2009/09/07/sql-server-importance-of-database-schemas-in-sql-s
>>> erver/
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Jan 31 20:22:45 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 18:22:45 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrade Access to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <510AC0B9.4030705@gmail.com>
References: <510AC0B9.4030705@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3921CC99A5A845D896BAD6D5743B24FE@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi John:

Since, I first started with MS Access, back in 1997 days, I have rarely used
an Access BE DB...except for small local transactions.

We argued about that subject loud and long as I recall. Your concern was
that there was no protection from one user over-writing another. I kept
saying the SQL server took care of it. Now I am sure you are aware of that.

My method was always to use stored procedures and pass parameters, never
download any more data that absolutely necessary and always let the SQL
server do all the data manipulation. The Access FE was only for presentation
and reporting.

It is not ugly, but you will have to give up most concepts of tight data
binding. ADO-OLE and MS SQL server handles it all, beautifully and very
fast. I have heard of datasets and things like that but have never used
them...they are not necessary. 

If you start using datasets it will be extremely difficult for you, when
they eventually expect you to move everything to the web. ;-)

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 11:07 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrade Access to SQL Server

I am being asked to upgrade Access FEs which have quite complex SQL Server
BE tables, plus 
(apparently) some data from those tables pulled down to the FE and stored
there over time as the 
user processes the data in those local FE tables.  They want to move those
local tables to SQL Server.

My question is, is there an accepted method for providing this kind of table
out in SQL Server?  IOW 
the structure is there, but the data in the table (as seen from the FE )
belongs to that instance of 
the FE.

We place tables local to the FE exactly for this purpose, to make it local
to that specific instance 
of the FE, on that specific user, on that specific machine.

It seems that if I am going to do this in SQL Server then I will need to add
a "machine ID" kind of 
FK in the tables as I upsize them to SQL Server, then in the Access
Application somehow get filtered 
datasets.  This sounds ugly.

-- 
John W. Colby

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when you do not believe in it
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Jan 31 21:02:30 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 19:02:30 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access App to Web Page
In-Reply-To: <201301311936.r0VJajUo020737@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <201301311936.r0VJajUo020737@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <055E6475A5324CACB2E36021A8260F9E@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Tony:

A big jump. Desktop to web.

There are so many, "it depends". Used both MS SQL and Oracle as BEs for
Access as well as some custom built web sites...currently both web sites are
internal intranet sites.

The only sample I do have is, and it old (about seven years so it doesn't
use any of the fancy HTML5, CSS or JQuery code). It just shows how a web
page can access an MS SQL server, via AJAX and displays the data in various
ways. It is simple but it might give you some ideas.

http://www.creativesystemdesigns.com/projects/programming.asp

Note: I am doing some upgrading on the web server so it may not be up
steadily...working on migrating it to another server.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 11:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access App to Web Page

Hey All

It has been an interesting month, no new work for about a 1 1/2 years
(almost bought that wiener wagon and retired to the beach) and suddenly I
get 3 requests for upgrades to old existing Apps.

Now a new one.

I just had a prospective client preview an App I had designed for an old
client.

Pros

They loved the program for it's sophistication, simplicity and ease of use
(not blowing my own horn here). Exactly what they are looking for.

Cons

They would like it to be also available on a Web page.

 

Now I have programs running on stand alones and sophisticated networks but
this is all new to me. 

They have a limited budget and would like quote.

 

I guess my question is, is this possible (I figure yes) but at what cost to
develop it??? I mean so many different questions and problems start to
arise.  They mentioned Oracle but I just do not want to go there.

 

Tony Septav

Nanaimo, BC

Canada.

 

 

 

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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Thu Jan 31 22:07:02 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 20:07:02 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access App to Web Page
In-Reply-To: <201301312037.r0VKb71Y018237@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <201301312037.r0VKb71Y018237@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <AD132A16-36F2-42A3-BB29-14F93CA694B6@phulse.com>

Hi Tony,

Forgive me if I might has missed out on some context here, but what sort of application is it that they require modernising? Without knowing much else, it almost sounds like a project that involves exposing things via an API for a web client to be able to make calls to.

- Hans


On 2013-01-31, at 12:37 PM, "Tony Septav" <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:

> Hey Jim
> Thanks. Will do some research.
> 
> Tony Septav
> Nanaimo, BC
> Canada
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: January-31-13 2:15 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access App to Web Page
> 
> 
> <<They have a limited budget and would like quote.>> 
> 
> Have them consider:
> 
> www.eqldata.com
> 
> Or depending on the number of users, a terminal services server that they
> remote into.  If you use Windows 2008 R2 or Citrix, that can happen in a
> browser window.
> 
> Beyond that, it's a re-write.  If the app needs are *very* simple, an Access
> 2013 web database might fit the bill.  Note however you'd need Access
> Services for SharePoint (requires an Enterprise license).  But because of
> the licensing cost, most opt for an Office 365 subscription.  Since that
> brings you back to something like www.eqldata.com (a subscription), why
> bother with a re-write at all?
> 
> If they really do want it to run browser based, then ASP.net is usually the
> product of choice.
> 
> Jim.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 02:37 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Access App to Web Page
> 
> Hey All
> 
> It has been an interesting month, no new work for about a 1 1/2 years
> (almost bought that wiener wagon and retired to the beach) and suddenly I
> get 3 requests for upgrades to old existing Apps.
> 
> Now a new one.
> 
> I just had a prospective client preview an App I had designed for an old
> client.
> 
> Pros
> 
> They loved the program for it's sophistication, simplicity and ease of use
> (not blowing my own horn here). Exactly what they are looking for.
> 
> Cons
> 
> They would like it to be also available on a Web page.
> 
> 
> 
> Now I have programs running on stand alones and sophisticated networks but
> this is all new to me. 
> 
> They have a limited budget and would like quote.
> 
> 
> 
> I guess my question is, is this possible (I figure yes) but at what cost to
> develop it??? I mean so many different questions and problems start to
> arise.  They mentioned Oracle but I just do not want to go there.
> 
> 
> 
> Tony Septav
> 
> Nanaimo, BC
> 
> Canada.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Jan 31 23:05:28 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 21:05:28 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] FW: Back-up
Message-ID: <DBAFFC1F7F1347A0A3F56EBD9CB8E646@HAL9007>

Dear List:
 
User is looking for a backup system.
 
Any votes for favorite?
 
TIA
 
Rocky
 

  _____  

From: Frank Federman [mailto:ffederman at roadrunner.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 1:00 PM
To: info at e-z-mrp.com
Cc: 'rich lindkamp'
Subject: Back-up



Hi Rocky -

 

Can you recommend an automatic back-up program (similar to Carbonite) that
works well with E-Z MRP? We just recovered from a server crash, and found
out that Carbonite does poorly, if at all, with databases. Fortunately, we
had a not-too-old manual back up copy of E-Z on hand, but I'd like to do it
automatically, and off-site (cloud) based, if possible.

 

Thanks for any advice.

 

Frank Federman

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