From carbonnb at gmail.com  Fri Mar  1 08:06:27 2013
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 09:06:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] changing Field Size programmatically
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You can use the BackEnd Updated that was created by a few of the folks
here (Andy, Reuben, myself) to manipulate from the Front End.

You can donwload it from http://www.databaseadvisors.com/downloads.asp
about 1/2 way down the page.



On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:05 PM, Steve Schapel
<steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz> wrote:
> Hi.  Anyone know how to do this?...
>
> I have a number of fields, all of them Text data type, in a backend Access 2003 database, that I want to change the Field Size property.
>
> Aside from getting hold of each copy of the mdb file, and manually editing, is there a way I can do this in code from within the Frontend application?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Regards
> Steve
>
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-- 
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"

From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Mar  1 08:30:47 2013
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2013 09:30:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] my situation....
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Mark,

<<A grisly discovery from reviewing the data: some of these union workers
are
making more per hour than I am....plus they get benefits....and they have no
formal college education either.>>

 Keep in mind that they do have to pay union dues, which are fairly hefty.  

 And despite "no education", for something like a crane operator, there is
but it's done on the job.  With just about all construction jobs, you
apprentice for a number of years before you can become a journeymen, and
then more years before you can become a foreman or master.  With union dues,
you don't earn significant dollars until you get to the later stages.

 The other thing you don't think about is the physical toll it takes on you.
Crane operators not so much, but most involved with construction have bodies
that are worn out in their mid-forties.  It's not uncommon to see them with
double knee and hip replacements, shoulder problems, and significant loss of
hearing by that age.

 They have their problems too, just different ones.

 As far as your feelings about contract work, you either need to not work as
hard or charge more<g>.

 It's tough though charging more.   As I said many years ago, developers was
becoming more or less a commodity market rather then a specialized one like
it once was.  Developers/programmers, etc despite the education are for the
most part not paid much more then your average auto mechanic unless your
lucky.

 Our industry has changed quite a bit and unless your lucky to land in on
the hottest technology at the moment and get the timing right, it's hard to
make big bucks on an hourly basis.

 The other issue is the attitude in this country that is shared by what
seems like more then not now; you take whatever you can get away with.

 My son just did something yesterday where he was honest in a job interview
and as a result, probably won't get the job (he has some minor surgery
coming up).

 His comment?  I'm tried of always hearing from everyone that "good guys
always finish last".

Jim.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 09:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] my situation....

I just want to let everyone know that I've made most of my hard (Very Hard)
earned income by doing Excel VBA
Work over the past 2 years.
<<snip>>


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Mar  1 09:03:42 2013
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2013 10:03:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] What the List Did For Me
In-Reply-To: <72BA10D943294E7DAF4D7805874EEE32@HAL9007>
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I first saw database stuff in the late 1980s with D-Base.  I was 
thrilled with the beauty and elegance of the solutions made possible by 
relating tables to one another.  In the early to mid 1990s, I made the 
acquaintance of Borland's Paradox, first in its DOS life, then as it was 
remodeled in Windows.  In the midst of thinking I would commit my 
energies to Paradox, Access came along.  At first, I thought there was 
no way I could trust a single container to hold all the precious objects 
of a database, when I was so accustomed to individual files for all the 
individual parts of a relational database.  But, I came to be very 
comfortable with it, after all.  It was in the late 1990s that I 
actually started crafting databases for others, or remodeling existing 
databases.  The local Commission on Aging had a database in a program 
that would not make the trip around the Y2K issues and needed to be 
recreated.  I did that in Access 97. It was a big learning experience 
for me - it took me nearly ten times as many hours to develop as I 
thought it would - but that sucker is still working and has been updated 
a few times as the Access versions have changed.  For the first few 
years, the IT team would contact me and we'd work together on the 
updates, but over time they took it over.

This list has helped me to become better than I was when I created that 
CoA database.  I learn all the time from people who have been at this 
longer than I, and who are more naturally gifted in the fundamentals 
than I.  Were it not for the generosity of the members of this list, I 
don't think I would be able to continue growing as a programmer and 
database developer.  I know i wouldn't have the confidence to offer my 
services to others.  The people out there that I deal with are often 
completely unaware of what it takes to craft a functional database.  It 
helps to have friends who understand the issues and are willing to help 
find solutions to what often appear to be impossible situations.  A 
great thank you to the list.

And, to you, Rocky - CONGRATULATIONS !!!! Making good use of the 
knowledge your friends have shared with you is also worthy of praise.

Best,
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787

On 2/28/2013 6:24 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> In 1997 I didn't know my Access from my elbow.  Thanks to the list I'm not
> only solvent, I won an Access contest:
>
> Goto www.e-z-mrp.com  and click on the link E-Z-MRP developer wins the AUGSD
> 2012 Access Idol Challenge (bottom of the Testimonials box)
>
> Thank you one and all for your help over the years
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/>
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>   


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Mar  1 09:22:49 2013
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2013 10:22:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] changing Field Size programmatically
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John,
Thanks for posting that link.  That's a very useful page, indeed.
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787

On 2/28/2013 11:16 PM, John Bodin wrote:
> Hi Steve,
>
> Used this code in an A2010 app, worked real well.  It is free, according to the web-site.  Here's the link and the code for just the modify field size routine.  Good luck.
>
> http://aislebyaisle.com/access/vba_backend_code.htm
>
> '
> ' Free Code from http://aislebyaisle.com/access/vba_backend_code.htm
> '
> '--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> '
> ' MSysObjects TYPES:
> ' 1 = Tables
> ' 6 = Attached Tables
> ' -32768 = Forms
> ' 5 = Queries
> ' -32764 = Reports
> ' -32761 = Modules
> '--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 'Change Field Size (for text fields)
> 'The function ChangeFieldSize works both if the table is linked or local, because the code checks what kind of table it is. This calls GetIndexes which is listed separately at the bottom of this page. The subroutine CallChangeFieldSize has sample code to call the function.
>    
>
>
> Function ChangeFieldSize(TblName As String, FldName As String, NewSize As Byte)
> Dim Td As TableDef
> Dim db As Database
> Dim DbPath As Variant
> Dim FldPos As Integer
> Dim rs As Recordset
> Dim IdxNames As Variant
> Dim IdxFldName As String
> Dim IdxNum As Integer
> Dim x As Integer
>
> 'get back end path of linked table
>      DbPath = DLookup("Database", "MSysObjects", "Name='" & TblName & "' And Type=6")
>      If IsNull(DbPath) Then
>          Set db = CurrentDb 'if local table
>      Else
>          Set db = OpenDatabase(DbPath) 'if linked table
>          If Err <> 0 Then
>              'failed to open back end database
>              Exit Function
>          End If
>          'in case back end has different table name than front end
>          TblName = DLookup("ForeignName", "MSysObjects", "Name='" & TblName & "' And Type=6")
>      End If
>
> 'get table
>      Set Td = db.TableDefs(TblName)
>      If Err <> 0 Then
>          'failed to get table
>          GoTo Done
>      End If
>
> 'change field size
>      If Td.Fields(FldName).Size <> NewSize Then
>          With Td
>          
>              On Error Resume Next
>              If NewSize > 0 And NewSize < 256 Then 'text field
>                  .Fields.Append .CreateField("TempFld", dbText, NewSize)
>              Else '0 is memo field
>                  .Fields.Append .CreateField("TempFld", dbMemo)
>              End If
>              
>              .Fields("TempFld").AllowZeroLength = True 'personal preference
>              FldPos = .Fields(FldName).OrdinalPosition
>              .Fields("TempFld").OrdinalPosition = FldPos
>              
>              Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(TblName)
>              While Not rs.EOF
>                  rs.Edit
>                  rs!TempFld = rs.Fields(FldName)
>                  rs.Update
>              rs.MoveNext
>              Wend
>              rs.Close
>              
>              'get indexes used by this field
>              IdxNames = GetIndexes(Td, FldName)
>              'temporarily delete indexes used by this field
>              For IdxNum = UBound(IdxNames, 2) To 0 Step -1
>                  If IdxNames(0, IdxNum) > "" Then .Indexes.Delete IdxNames(0, IdxNum)
>              Next
>              
>              'delete old field
>              .Fields.Delete FldName
>              'rename new field to original
>              .Fields("TempFld").Name = FldName
>          
>              'restore indexes
>              For IdxNum = 0 To UBound(IdxNames, 2)
>                  If IdxNames(0, IdxNum) > "" Then
>                      Dim Idx As Index
>                      Set Idx = .CreateIndex(IdxNames(0, IdxNum))
>                      'parse comma-delimited field names and add them to index
>                      While Len(IdxNames(8, IdxNum)) > 1
>                          x = InStr(IdxNames(8, IdxNum), ",")
>                          IdxFldName = Left(IdxNames(8, IdxNum), x - 1)
>                          Idx.Fields.Append Td.CreateField(IdxFldName)
>                          IdxNames(8, IdxNum) = Mid(IdxNames(8, IdxNum), x + 1)
>                      Wend
>                      'assign properties to index
>                      For x = 1 To 7
>                          Idx.Properties(x) = IdxNames(x, IdxNum)
>                      Next
>                      'add the index
>                      .Indexes.Append Idx
>                  End If
>              Next
>              
>          End With
>          
>          If Err <> 0 Then GoTo Done
>              
>      End If
>
> ChangeFieldSize = True  'defaults to false if it fails to get here
>
> Done:
> If Not db Is Nothing Then db.Close
> End Function
>
>
> Sub CallChangeFieldSize()
> Dim Result As Boolean
>
> 'sample call:
> Result = ChangeFieldSize("Table1", "Field1", 15)
> Debug.Print Result
> End Sub
>
> '--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 'Get Indexes In Table
> 'Access won't let you change a field type or a field size if that field belongs to an index. Therefore, it's necessary to delete the index, modify the field, and restore the index. The function GetIndexes finds all the indexes containing the given field. It returns an array containing the index names and all the index properties so that you can restore them later. This function is called by the functions ChangeFieldSize and ChangeFieldType above.
>    
>
>
> Function GetIndexes(Td As TableDef, FldName As String)
> 'Returns array of indexes containing the specified field,
> ' the first index starting at Idx(1), so that
> ' Ubound(2, Idx) equals the number of indexes having the specified field
> Dim IdxNum As Integer, FldNum As Integer, PropNum As Integer
> Dim IdxNames() As String 'array to hold indexes
> ReDim IdxNames(8, 0) 'first dimension contains the index properties and field names
>                  'second dimension represents index number
> Dim FldNames As String
>
>      For IdxNum = 0 To Td.Indexes.Count - 1
>          FldNames = ""
>          For FldNum = 0 To Td.Indexes(IdxNum).Fields.Count - 1
>              'concatonate field names
>              FldNames = FldNames & Td.Indexes(IdxNum).Fields(FldNum).Name & ","
>              'if index contains the field we're looking for ...
>              If FldName = Td.Indexes(IdxNum).Fields(FldNum).Name Then
>                  If IdxNum > 0 Then ReDim Preserve IdxNames(8, IdxNum)
>                  'properties go into first 7 places of first dimension
>                  For PropNum = 0 To 7
>                      IdxNames(PropNum, IdxNum) = Td.Indexes(IdxNum).Properties(PropNum)
>                  Next
>              End If
>          Next
>          'field names go into 8th place of first dimension
>          If IdxNames(8, UBound(IdxNames, 2)) = "" Then IdxNames(8, UBound(IdxNames, 2)) = FldNames
>      Next
>      
>      GetIndexes = IdxNames
> End Function
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:05 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] changing Field Size programmatically
>
> Hi.  Anyone know how to do this?...
>
> I have a number of fields, all of them Text data type, in a backend Access 2003 database, that I want to change the Field Size property.
>
> Aside from getting hold of each copy of the mdb file, and manually editing, is there a way I can do this in code from within the Frontend application?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Regards
> Steve
>


From john at winhaven.net  Fri Mar  1 09:31:41 2013
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 09:31:41 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Back to 8
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I have one customer site where 8 is required due to the financial software
being hooked into it. Otherwise the last reason I had for someone saying
they needed 8 was the vpn software, which after looking into it was not true
- they just hadn't checked for an updated vpn client.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8

I'm not sure whether I was using 8 or 9.  But notwork man said something
about the server they're using and gave me the impression that 8 was what
was needed. 

I tried to install nine but the installer said it was already installed. 

Ah, the Microsoft Mysteries.

R

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:18 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8

How about 9?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 9:03 PM
To: List; 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Back to 8

Dear Lists:
 
So I upgraded to IE 10.  Looked good.  Couldn't tell much difference.  But
my connection to a client's server won't work in 10.  So the not-work guy to
em I have to go back to 8.  So - how do I do that?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Mar  1 10:01:26 2013
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2013 11:01:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes
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Jack, you made me laugh right out loud with this one:

<snip>

These users seem to feel that- now that they have the Access software, the databases will just
get generated.???? no concepts, no plans,...

</snip

I was teaching a Lotus 1-2-3 class in the summer of 1995 (DOS version), 
especially important for students who were enrolling in the college's 
accounting courses.  As we began, I was offering examples of problems to 
be easily solved using formulas in 1-2-3. Describing several Girl Scouts 
with differing numbers of boxes of cookies to sell, I started making the 
formula to calculate the total number of dollars each Girl Scout was 
responsible for, noting that it was a simple algebraic expression.  From 
the back of the room came the outraged cry, "Algebra!  Nobody told me I 
would need algebra for this!"  Stunned, I asked the young lady why that 
would be a problem, for surely she had learned algebra in high school.  
No, she had not.  Algebra was not required in her high school 
curriculum.  Now, remember, this young lady intended to pursue an 
accounting degree.  She needed to be able to craft formulas in a 
spreadsheet, and she had no knowledge of algebra.  I asked her gently 
how she expected to proceed.  She declared that she expected the program 
to figure out how to set up the formulas, because that was what she 
understood its usefulness to be.  I don't know how she expected to tell 
the program what the problem to be solved was, but it had never dawned 
on her that she had any responsibility to think her way through the 
solution process.

Thanks for the memory and the laugh - bittersweet though it is.

T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 2/21/2013 1:44 PM, jack drawbridge wrote:
> And many of the forums from my view seem to have a large percentage of new
> users. Usually students doing assignments, or the self learning group that
> has never heard of normalization, relationships...  They all seem to
> Acc2010 or 2013, and most have installed the 64 bit version, and have the
> latest hardware. Their big issue is how to update a "cell", or how to write
> SQL. Most have never heard of a data model (or ERD). These users seem to
> feel that- now that they have the Access software, the databases will just
> get generated.???? no concepts, no plans,...
> Seems they are still teaching using Access n some schools, but none of the
> database/relational theory. Many have never heard of Normalization.  I  had
> one (British hair salon owner trying to deal with appointments, staff
> availability and products) who accused me of "hijacking" his thread because
> I asked what his core business was and could he post a jpg of his tables
> and relationships etc..  I asked about his core business and asked if he
> should be running the salon/cutting hair etc, and should he be building the
> database or hire a contractor. He also said he didn't know what a data
> model was and certainly had no need of one now and my questions weren't
> helping him He needed to know how to write a query to add totals into one
> of his tables..
>
> I think AccessD,  and I have been a long time lurker/learner with few
> posts, is far beyond these basics. When a discussion or issue is raised, it
> is usually meaningful, thought out and relevant. Perhaps we have mostly
> beaten the variety of syntax issues, and 99 ways to skin the cat, and there
> are no longer the numerous, more mundane issues for resolution.
>
> I'm not sure what exactly would revamp/reface/re-energize AccessD. I like
> John's blog. Perhaps the Ruby on Rails or other topics as has been
> suggested. However, I feel that may not get a broad take up.  I'm retired;
> have been for 5 years, my Access is typically helping people on the forums.
> As has been pointed out, many here are 40+ (maybe 50+), with diverse jobs.
> And some have been forced to look for new opportunities to use their
> skills.I don't see a lot of people jumping to Acc2013 or Sharepoint, and I
> personally have no real interest there.
>
> Any way, just a little rambling to feed the pot.
>
> jack
>


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Fri Mar  1 09:52:19 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2013 10:52:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
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>us meek Excel hacks will be still be making money and in demand long after MS Access is retired from general use and Access devs are extinct.

LOL, ain't that the truth.  I still prefer databases though.  Each has its place, it's just that 
Excel so often ends up being turned into a database which it doesn't Excel at (pun intended)


John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/28/2013 8:48 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
> hehehehe, It is ok Bill, as an amatuer hack I am used to be insulted ;)  And whilst that maybe indeed the case we are mere dabblers in the dark arts of VBA - us meek Excel hacks will be still be making money and in demand long after MS Access is retired from general use and Access devs are extinct.
>
> So all good really ;) .  Arthur, please stick around on Excel - L, you will fit right in and your skills, experience and contributions will be appreciated.  Besides, I usually find you highly entertaining as well as educational - and not just with VBA stuff either.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] on behalf of William Benson (VBACreations.Com) [vbacreations at gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2013 9:04 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>
> Art, you take one thread (or a couple) and then kick an entire Listserv to
> the curb? You ought to be ashamed   ;-)
>
> Plus you just insulted both me and Darryl...
>
> Meanie.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:11 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>
> For some reason I ended up joining a list about Excel
> EXCEL-L at peach.ease.lsoft.com),  mistaking it for one our our lists. Wow was
> I wrong/ These people need more than a lifetime of help. Unfortunately, as I
> age, I don't have that much time.. .
>
> To be fair, it's a user's group not a developer's group, and it does shed
> some light on the differenence.
>
> The scary part is that some of these people fancy themselves as "Quants",
> short for Quantitative Analysts, which means that they are risking the
> hard-earned money that others have made and invested in this or that fund.
> And I am aware of many of their algorithms, having once worked for a
> Bermudian hedge fund, which at least had the sense to use SQL Server rather
> then Excel.
>
> This seriously frightens me. These Excel listers, save on or two, don't even
> know that there is a difference between a Range and an Array.
>
> The prospect that these people are playing with millions of dollars of money
> belonging to other people is truly frightening. The up-side is that I have
> invested zero dollars in the opinions of these fools; the down-side is that
> many several millions have, and I fear for their prospects.
>
> I guess what I am saying is this: if you want to realize what a valuable
> group this one is, just go visit that one for a minute or two. To think that
> these people are waging millions of other people's dollars on their
> "feelings" is ghastly.
>
> Hold onto your wallet; trust no one, especially if they come bearing a
> spreadsheet.Yes, there are tools available to audit spreadsheets, and I
> trust them. But in their absence. do not trust anyone. These people are
> jokers, fools or scammers. Take your pick.
>
> I do not fancy myself as an Excel guru. But once I learned the model, I had
> no problem doing some fancy footwork in Excel. Bur rhis goes to way that
> there is a difference between a programmer and a user. The frightening part
> is that users equipped with Excel are making decisions involving millions of
> other people's dollars.
>
> --
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
>
> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>    -- Niels Bohr
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>
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Fri Mar  1 10:15:33 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2013 11:15:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Source control Access
Message-ID: <5130D425.10003@gmail.com>

Working for the Borg, I suddenly have a need to source control my access projects.  Other than the 
data, everything in Access can be easily dumped to text files, and from there pulled into a source 
control package.  Before I go redesigning the wheel, I'm asking if anyone out there has this 
functioning.  And no I will not be using SourceSafe.

-- 
John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Mar  1 10:41:20 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 17:41:20 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Source control Access
Message-ID: <009e01ce169b$9a348c00$ce9da400$@cactus.dk>

Hi John

> .. I will not be using SourceSafe.

Then you will be reinventing the wheel. Is it a licensing issue?

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John W Colby
Sendt: 1. marts 2013 17:16
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: [AccessD] Source control Access

Working for the Borg, I suddenly have a need to source control my access
projects.  Other than the data, everything in Access can be easily dumped to
text files, and from there pulled into a source control package.  Before I
go redesigning the wheel, I'm asking if anyone out there has this
functioning.  And no I will not be using SourceSafe.

--
John W. Colby 



From jwcolby at gmail.com  Fri Mar  1 10:53:38 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2013 11:53:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Source control Access
In-Reply-To: <009e01ce169b$9a348c00$ce9da400$@cactus.dk>
References: <009e01ce169b$9a348c00$ce9da400$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <5130DD12.8000004@gmail.com>

LOL, no.  Even MS gave up on Sourcesafe.  Google it and all you find (and I do mean ALL) is "it 
sucks so bad".

One way or the other, they already use their own chosen SC system and so going out to get sourcesafe 
is a non-started.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 3/1/2013 11:41 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi John
>
>> .. I will not be using SourceSafe.
> Then you will be reinventing the wheel. Is it a licensing issue?
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John W Colby
> Sendt: 1. marts 2013 17:16
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: [AccessD] Source control Access
>
> Working for the Borg, I suddenly have a need to source control my access
> projects.  Other than the data, everything in Access can be easily dumped to
> text files, and from there pulled into a source control package.  Before I
> go redesigning the wheel, I'm asking if anyone out there has this
> functioning.  And no I will not be using SourceSafe.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
>
>


From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Fri Mar  1 11:01:12 2013
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 12:01:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes
In-Reply-To: <5130D0D6.20402@torchlake.com>
References: <0CCB561E0B71472DBA46D7FBF0E8B398@XPS> <51250BD7.3040008@gmail.com>
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I guess it a sign of the times, and for those of us who have been around a
while, it does provide some humor. But this seems to be a growing trend on
many of the forums in which I participate. They have 6 tables, a bunch of
data,but no awareness of a project plan, a conceptual design, interaction
with  the user,  a high level data model (artist's concept of the new house
sort of thing"). The biggest concern is how to store a calculated value in
a table; followed by "What's a query?" It won't be for another month or so
till they ask about relationships and/or naming convention.

I'm also on a list where some of the M$oft specialists are having
difficulty with Office365, Sharepoint and some options that were shown at
the recent Summit Conference. I mention this to show some of the issues
that I see in my limited scope.
My interpretation of these is that M$oft is selling/marketing some of the
Office "stuff" including Access to end users as a solution to database.
The  "users"/"company management" see the ads for software and believe that
the software solves the business issue. The M$oft specialist are busy
promoting another new product/concept/approach -- too busy to listen to the
hard core users.  The M$oft motto may be --We're selling sizzle not steak.

It's confusing, just as we are questioning AccessD, M$oft is promoting
these tools to "users/management", but at the same time I'm seeing MVP's
asking (M$oft and AccessTeam) to put more emphasis on the capabilities of
ACCESS and be respectful of the installed base. I realize M$oft is a
business and must continue with products/services. But is it leaving
existing customers behind, mostly abandoned? Sure there are other products
- move to SQL Server, move to Sharepoint.
But move often means more dollars, more training, more software/hardware
purchases, conversion, change in processes - at a time when the economy
isn't great. I don't see anyone, other than M$oft, touting this latest
round of offerings.

Maybe there is some humor in that, but I think for many of us, we've seen
at least one cycle of this merry-go-round, and we're unsure if we should
jump off now, or go for another ride.


On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Tina Norris Fields <
tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:

> Jack, you made me laugh right out loud with this one:
>
> <snip>
>
>
> These users seem to feel that- now that they have the Access software, the
> databases will just
> get generated.???? no concepts, no plans,...
>
> </snip
>
> I was teaching a Lotus 1-2-3 class in the summer of 1995 (DOS version),
> especially important for students who were enrolling in the college's
> accounting courses.  As we began, I was offering examples of problems to be
> easily solved using formulas in 1-2-3. Describing several Girl Scouts with
> differing numbers of boxes of cookies to sell, I started making the formula
> to calculate the total number of dollars each Girl Scout was responsible
> for, noting that it was a simple algebraic expression.  From the back of
> the room came the outraged cry, "Algebra!  Nobody told me I would need
> algebra for this!"  Stunned, I asked the young lady why that would be a
> problem, for surely she had learned algebra in high school.  No, she had
> not.  Algebra was not required in her high school curriculum.  Now,
> remember, this young lady intended to pursue an accounting degree.  She
> needed to be able to craft formulas in a spreadsheet, and she had no
> knowledge of algebra.  I asked her gently how she expected to proceed.  She
> declared that she expected the program to figure out how to set up the
> formulas, because that was what she understood its usefulness to be.  I
> don't know how she expected to tell the program what the problem to be
> solved was, but it had never dawned on her that she had any responsibility
> to think her way through the solution process.
>
> Thanks for the memory and the laugh - bittersweet though it is.
>
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-**com
> 231-322-2787
>
>
> On 2/21/2013 1:44 PM, jack drawbridge wrote:
>
>> And many of the forums from my view seem to have a large percentage of new
>> users. Usually students doing assignments, or the self learning group that
>> has never heard of normalization, relationships...  They all seem to
>> Acc2010 or 2013, and most have installed the 64 bit version, and have the
>> latest hardware. Their big issue is how to update a "cell", or how to
>> write
>> SQL. Most have never heard of a data model (or ERD). These users seem to
>> feel that- now that they have the Access software, the databases will just
>> get generated.???? no concepts, no plans,...
>> Seems they are still teaching using Access n some schools, but none of the
>> database/relational theory. Many have never heard of Normalization.  I
>>  had
>> one (British hair salon owner trying to deal with appointments, staff
>> availability and products) who accused me of "hijacking" his thread
>> because
>> I asked what his core business was and could he post a jpg of his tables
>> and relationships etc..  I asked about his core business and asked if he
>> should be running the salon/cutting hair etc, and should he be building
>> the
>> database or hire a contractor. He also said he didn't know what a data
>> model was and certainly had no need of one now and my questions weren't
>> helping him He needed to know how to write a query to add totals into one
>> of his tables..
>>
>> I think AccessD,  and I have been a long time lurker/learner with few
>> posts, is far beyond these basics. When a discussion or issue is raised,
>> it
>> is usually meaningful, thought out and relevant. Perhaps we have mostly
>> beaten the variety of syntax issues, and 99 ways to skin the cat, and
>> there
>> are no longer the numerous, more mundane issues for resolution.
>>
>> I'm not sure what exactly would revamp/reface/re-energize AccessD. I like
>> John's blog. Perhaps the Ruby on Rails or other topics as has been
>> suggested. However, I feel that may not get a broad take up.  I'm retired;
>> have been for 5 years, my Access is typically helping people on the
>> forums.
>> As has been pointed out, many here are 40+ (maybe 50+), with diverse jobs.
>> And some have been forced to look for new opportunities to use their
>> skills.I don't see a lot of people jumping to Acc2013 or Sharepoint, and I
>> personally have no real interest there.
>>
>> Any way, just a little rambling to feed the pot.
>>
>> jack
>>
>>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Mar  1 11:05:55 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 18:05:55 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Source control Access
Message-ID: <00a001ce169f$09bbd940$1d338bc0$@cactus.dk>

Hi John

OK, that makes sense. However, I think (haven't worked much with it) that
most issues are related to multi-user use of VSS.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John W Colby
Sendt: 1. marts 2013 17:54
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Source control Access

LOL, no.  Even MS gave up on Sourcesafe.  Google it and all you find (and I
do mean ALL) is "it sucks so bad".

One way or the other, they already use their own chosen SC system and so
going out to get sourcesafe is a non-started.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 3/1/2013 11:41 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi John
>
>> .. I will not be using SourceSafe.
> Then you will be reinventing the wheel. Is it a licensing issue?
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John W Colby
> Sendt: 1. marts 2013 17:16
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: [AccessD] Source control Access
>
> Working for the Borg, I suddenly have a need to source control my 
> access projects.  Other than the data, everything in Access can be 
> easily dumped to text files, and from there pulled into a source 
> control package.  Before I go redesigning the wheel, I'm asking if 
> anyone out there has this functioning.  And no I will not be using
SourceSafe.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
 




From df.waters at comcast.net  Fri Mar  1 11:14:13 2013
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 11:14:13 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Source control Access
In-Reply-To: <5130D425.10003@gmail.com>
References: <5130D425.10003@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002f01ce16a0$325b0f50$97112df0$@comcast.net>

Hi John,

I just searched for 'Access 2010 Source Control' and got this link:

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=6840

This is a source code control extension for Access 2010!  What is MS doing?
I thought Access was 'going away'?  ;-)

Oh well, now that I'm using Access 2010 I'll give it a try ...

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Source control Access

Working for the Borg, I suddenly have a need to source control my access
projects.  Other than the data, everything in Access can be easily dumped to
text files, and from there pulled into a source control package.  Before I
go redesigning the wheel, I'm asking if anyone out there has this
functioning.  And no I will not be using SourceSafe.

--
John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Mar  1 11:48:17 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 18:48:17 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Source control Access
Message-ID: <00a201ce16a4$f4f5f350$dee1d9f0$@cactus.dk>

Hi Dan

That's the extension for VSS:

"Source Code Control add-in allows integration with Microsoft Visual
SourceSafe or other source code control systems"

but I missed the last words. What other system could that be? As far as I
remember, this add-in just makes a connection to the local VSS client which
also has to be installed.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Dan Waters
Sendt: 1. marts 2013 18:14
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Source control Access

Hi John,

I just searched for 'Access 2010 Source Control' and got this link:

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=6840

This is a source code control extension for Access 2010!  What is MS doing?
I thought Access was 'going away'?  ;-)

Oh well, now that I'm using Access 2010 I'll give it a try ...

Dan 



From df.waters at comcast.net  Fri Mar  1 11:53:46 2013
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 11:53:46 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Source control Access
In-Reply-To: <00a201ce16a4$f4f5f350$dee1d9f0$@cactus.dk>
References: <00a201ce16a4$f4f5f350$dee1d9f0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <003601ce16a5$b9344af0$2b9ce0d0$@comcast.net>

I figure that I'll have to do more searching to find out what the extension
does connect to and which one might be best.

You know, Google is like eating nacho chips - you can't have just one!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 11:48 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Source control Access

Hi Dan

That's the extension for VSS:

"Source Code Control add-in allows integration with Microsoft Visual
SourceSafe or other source code control systems"

but I missed the last words. What other system could that be? As far as I
remember, this add-in just makes a connection to the local VSS client which
also has to be installed.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Dan Waters
Sendt: 1. marts 2013 18:14
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Source control Access

Hi John,

I just searched for 'Access 2010 Source Control' and got this link:

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=6840

This is a source code control extension for Access 2010!  What is MS doing?
I thought Access was 'going away'?  ;-)

Oh well, now that I'm using Access 2010 I'll give it a try ...

Dan 


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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Mar  1 13:02:21 2013
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 11:02:21 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Source control Access
In-Reply-To: <00a201ce16a4$f4f5f350$dee1d9f0$@cactus.dk>
References: <00a201ce16a4$f4f5f350$dee1d9f0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met8+tyoFhS3oLFq0HVy7p_VMqAAAnZi=sOGTY7D_p6nuwQ@mail.gmail.com>

I believe it now works with things like Source Vault and other products.
 With patches, it should work with Access 2010, but if you don't have VSS
installed, you may have to go to your old Visual Studio disks and install
it from there.  I don't know any way to get it from Microsoft, but I'd be
glad to learn of one.  I never hated it like some people do.  I've worked
with SourceVault, and it isn't much different.

Charlotte

On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Dan
>
> That's the extension for VSS:
>
> "Source Code Control add-in allows integration with Microsoft Visual
> SourceSafe or other source code control systems"
>
> but I missed the last words. What other system could that be? As far as I
> remember, this add-in just makes a connection to the local VSS client which
> also has to be installed.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Dan Waters
> Sendt: 1. marts 2013 18:14
> Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Source control Access
>
> Hi John,
>
> I just searched for 'Access 2010 Source Control' and got this link:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=6840
>
> This is a source code control extension for Access 2010!  What is MS doing?
> I thought Access was 'going away'?  ;-)
>
> Oh well, now that I'm using Access 2010 I'll give it a try ...
>
> Dan
>
>
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From df.waters at comcast.net  Fri Mar  1 13:34:49 2013
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 13:34:49 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Source control Access
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met8+tyoFhS3oLFq0HVy7p_VMqAAAnZi=sOGTY7D_p6nuwQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00a201ce16a4$f4f5f350$dee1d9f0$@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met8+tyoFhS3oLFq0HVy7p_VMqAAAnZi=sOGTY7D_p6nuwQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004001ce16b3$d7010b50$850321f0$@comcast.net>

Great!

Source Vault is also integrated with Visual Studio, and is free for single
developers!
http://www.sourcegear.com/vault/eval/free.html

Thanks Charlotte!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 1:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Source control Access

I believe it now works with things like Source Vault and other products.
 With patches, it should work with Access 2010, but if you don't have VSS
installed, you may have to go to your old Visual Studio disks and install it
from there.  I don't know any way to get it from Microsoft, but I'd be glad
to learn of one.  I never hated it like some people do.  I've worked with
SourceVault, and it isn't much different.

Charlotte

On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Dan
>
> That's the extension for VSS:
>
> "Source Code Control add-in allows integration with Microsoft Visual 
> SourceSafe or other source code control systems"
>
> but I missed the last words. What other system could that be? As far 
> as I remember, this add-in just makes a connection to the local VSS 
> client which also has to be installed.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Dan Waters
> Sendt: 1. marts 2013 18:14
> Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Source control Access
>
> Hi John,
>
> I just searched for 'Access 2010 Source Control' and got this link:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=6840
>
> This is a source code control extension for Access 2010!  What is MS
doing?
> I thought Access was 'going away'?  ;-)
>
> Oh well, now that I'm using Access 2010 I'll give it a try ...
>
> Dan
>
>
> --
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Fri Mar  1 15:16:42 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 10:16:42 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAsT-MXDbYW55Ymczj_oXJHFYCVBXEqtfBLqyBsV+riivQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0CCB561E0B71472DBA46D7FBF0E8B398@XPS> <51250BD7.3040008@gmail.com>
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Overheard Best Buy Geek Squad rep today telling customer " the only thing I
would Internet explorer for is to download Google Chrome. "
On Mar 1, 2013 12:02 PM, "jack drawbridge" <jackandpat.d at gmail.com> wrote:

> I guess it a sign of the times, and for those of us who have been around a
> while, it does provide some humor. But this seems to be a growing trend on
> many of the forums in which I participate. They have 6 tables, a bunch of
> data,but no awareness of a project plan, a conceptual design, interaction
> with  the user,  a high level data model (artist's concept of the new house
> sort of thing"). The biggest concern is how to store a calculated value in
> a table; followed by "What's a query?" It won't be for another month or so
> till they ask about relationships and/or naming convention.
>
> I'm also on a list where some of the M$oft specialists are having
> difficulty with Office365, Sharepoint and some options that were shown at
> the recent Summit Conference. I mention this to show some of the issues
> that I see in my limited scope.
> My interpretation of these is that M$oft is selling/marketing some of the
> Office "stuff" including Access to end users as a solution to database.
> The  "users"/"company management" see the ads for software and believe that
> the software solves the business issue. The M$oft specialist are busy
> promoting another new product/concept/approach -- too busy to listen to the
> hard core users.  The M$oft motto may be --We're selling sizzle not steak.
>
> It's confusing, just as we are questioning AccessD, M$oft is promoting
> these tools to "users/management", but at the same time I'm seeing MVP's
> asking (M$oft and AccessTeam) to put more emphasis on the capabilities of
> ACCESS and be respectful of the installed base. I realize M$oft is a
> business and must continue with products/services. But is it leaving
> existing customers behind, mostly abandoned? Sure there are other products
> - move to SQL Server, move to Sharepoint.
> But move often means more dollars, more training, more software/hardware
> purchases, conversion, change in processes - at a time when the economy
> isn't great. I don't see anyone, other than M$oft, touting this latest
> round of offerings.
>
> Maybe there is some humor in that, but I think for many of us, we've seen
> at least one cycle of this merry-go-round, and we're unsure if we should
> jump off now, or go for another ride.
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Tina Norris Fields <
> tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>
> > Jack, you made me laugh right out loud with this one:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >
> > These users seem to feel that- now that they have the Access software,
> the
> > databases will just
> > get generated.???? no concepts, no plans,...
> >
> > </snip
> >
> > I was teaching a Lotus 1-2-3 class in the summer of 1995 (DOS version),
> > especially important for students who were enrolling in the college's
> > accounting courses.  As we began, I was offering examples of problems to
> be
> > easily solved using formulas in 1-2-3. Describing several Girl Scouts
> with
> > differing numbers of boxes of cookies to sell, I started making the
> formula
> > to calculate the total number of dollars each Girl Scout was responsible
> > for, noting that it was a simple algebraic expression.  From the back of
> > the room came the outraged cry, "Algebra!  Nobody told me I would need
> > algebra for this!"  Stunned, I asked the young lady why that would be a
> > problem, for surely she had learned algebra in high school.  No, she had
> > not.  Algebra was not required in her high school curriculum.  Now,
> > remember, this young lady intended to pursue an accounting degree.  She
> > needed to be able to craft formulas in a spreadsheet, and she had no
> > knowledge of algebra.  I asked her gently how she expected to proceed.
>  She
> > declared that she expected the program to figure out how to set up the
> > formulas, because that was what she understood its usefulness to be.  I
> > don't know how she expected to tell the program what the problem to be
> > solved was, but it had never dawned on her that she had any
> responsibility
> > to think her way through the solution process.
> >
> > Thanks for the memory and the laugh - bittersweet though it is.
> >
> > T
> >
> > Tina Norris Fields
> > tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-**com
> > 231-322-2787
> >
> >
> > On 2/21/2013 1:44 PM, jack drawbridge wrote:
> >
> >> And many of the forums from my view seem to have a large percentage of
> new
> >> users. Usually students doing assignments, or the self learning group
> that
> >> has never heard of normalization, relationships...  They all seem to
> >> Acc2010 or 2013, and most have installed the 64 bit version, and have
> the
> >> latest hardware. Their big issue is how to update a "cell", or how to
> >> write
> >> SQL. Most have never heard of a data model (or ERD). These users seem to
> >> feel that- now that they have the Access software, the databases will
> just
> >> get generated.???? no concepts, no plans,...
> >> Seems they are still teaching using Access n some schools, but none of
> the
> >> database/relational theory. Many have never heard of Normalization.  I
> >>  had
> >> one (British hair salon owner trying to deal with appointments, staff
> >> availability and products) who accused me of "hijacking" his thread
> >> because
> >> I asked what his core business was and could he post a jpg of his tables
> >> and relationships etc..  I asked about his core business and asked if he
> >> should be running the salon/cutting hair etc, and should he be building
> >> the
> >> database or hire a contractor. He also said he didn't know what a data
> >> model was and certainly had no need of one now and my questions weren't
> >> helping him He needed to know how to write a query to add totals into
> one
> >> of his tables..
> >>
> >> I think AccessD,  and I have been a long time lurker/learner with few
> >> posts, is far beyond these basics. When a discussion or issue is raised,
> >> it
> >> is usually meaningful, thought out and relevant. Perhaps we have mostly
> >> beaten the variety of syntax issues, and 99 ways to skin the cat, and
> >> there
> >> are no longer the numerous, more mundane issues for resolution.
> >>
> >> I'm not sure what exactly would revamp/reface/re-energize AccessD. I
> like
> >> John's blog. Perhaps the Ruby on Rails or other topics as has been
> >> suggested. However, I feel that may not get a broad take up.  I'm
> retired;
> >> have been for 5 years, my Access is typically helping people on the
> >> forums.
> >> As has been pointed out, many here are 40+ (maybe 50+), with diverse
> jobs.
> >> And some have been forced to look for new opportunities to use their
> >> skills.I don't see a lot of people jumping to Acc2013 or Sharepoint,
> and I
> >> personally have no real interest there.
> >>
> >> Any way, just a little rambling to feed the pot.
> >>
> >> jack
> >>
> >>
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
> >
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From vbacreations at gmail.com  Fri Mar  1 15:19:41 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 10:19:41 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Back to 8
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I dont believe it either. Sounds lime notwork man just doesnt want to make
the settings the way they need to be set nor research the problem
thoroughly.

Jmufo
On Mar 1, 2013 10:34 AM, "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net> wrote:

> I have one customer site where 8 is required due to the financial software
> being hooked into it. Otherwise the last reason I had for someone saying
> they needed 8 was the vpn software, which after looking into it was not
> true
> - they just hadn't checked for an updated vpn client.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:06 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8
>
> I'm not sure whether I was using 8 or 9.  But notwork man said something
> about the server they're using and gave me the impression that 8 was what
> was needed.
>
> I tried to install nine but the installer said it was already installed.
>
> Ah, the Microsoft Mysteries.
>
> R
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:18 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8
>
> How about 9?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 9:03 PM
> To: List; 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Back to 8
>
> Dear Lists:
>
> So I upgraded to IE 10.  Looked good.  Couldn't tell much difference.  But
> my connection to a client's server won't work in 10.  So the not-work guy
> to
> em I have to go back to 8.  So - how do I do that?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From vbacreations at gmail.com  Fri Mar  1 15:27:56 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 10:27:56 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] my situation....
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Mark can u screen share and demo that app (the excel ordering one)?

Email me offlist. Also make sure you join us on Excel-L we need dudes like
you with quality excel app developer experiences.
On Feb 28, 2013 9:17 PM, "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> I just want to let everyone know that I've made most of my hard (Very Hard)
> earned income by doing Excel VBA
> Work over the past 2 years.
> I've done complex, multi-workbook, multi-source automation projects that
> integrated data from disparate sources.
> I built a huge optimization model that was driven by a 3rd party linear
> programming optimizer written in C++.
> I recently built a supply chain management tool that integrates with a
> specialized ERP/CRM application built specifically for chemical
> distributors. The tool is a completely menu-driven app written for Excel
> 2010 and the user never needs to touch one worksheet or one
> cell....everything is form or menu-driven. It tells them what-to-buy and
> when-to-buy it....a complex optimal order quantity model that is completely
> integrated and automated. All they do is push some buttons...and filter the
> results. I even created a complex piece of code to remember their filter
> settings...a non-trivial task when filters are based on icons or color.
>
> After reviewing the thousands of pages of design notes I developed over the
> past 5 years, and then looking at this work relative to the people who were
> salaried at the companies I contracted at...
> I'd say I did about 5 TIMES the work of any of one those employees....for
> no
> benefits, no healthcare, nothing.
> And moreover, it was about 10-20 times the work of any of the managers,
> principals or VP's at these organizations.
> One manager I encountered....worked for Comcast...and never came to work.
> Over the 3 months I worked for him, I saw him 2 times. TWICE in 3 months
> !!!
> And he was paid handsomely with great benefits.
>
> I recently confirmed the desperate nature of this job market in IT
> contracting:
> A bid for a small 6 month contract at a "nobody" firm had me facing a list
> of 84 competitors.
> 84 !! Again, no bennies, no healthcare.
>
> I think my days in this business are rapidly coming to a close.
> Interestingly, I am now bidding on an Access project that likely will be my
> last contract.
> I just reviewed the app this evening.
> It's to do the complex payroll app for a crane operations company that has
> union workers...with multiple skills, rates, and locations.
>
> A grisly discovery from reviewing the data: some of these union workers are
> making more per hour than I am....plus they get benefits....and they have
> no
> formal college education either.
>
>
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Mar  1 15:36:20 2013
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 13:36:20 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes
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I'm not that crazy about IE 10 either.  It's faster than previous versions,
but I still prefer to get to my email through Chrome and gmail, even though
I have it set up to show in Outlook 2013.

Charlotte

On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 1:16 PM, William Benson <vbacreations at gmail.com>wrote:

> Overheard Best Buy Geek Squad rep today telling customer " the only thing I
> would Internet explorer for is to download Google Chrome. "
> On Mar 1, 2013 12:02 PM, "jack drawbridge" <jackandpat.d at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I guess it a sign of the times, and for those of us who have been around
> a
> > while, it does provide some humor. But this seems to be a growing trend
> on
> > many of the forums in which I participate. They have 6 tables, a bunch of
> > data,but no awareness of a project plan, a conceptual design, interaction
> > with  the user,  a high level data model (artist's concept of the new
> house
> > sort of thing"). The biggest concern is how to store a calculated value
> in
> > a table; followed by "What's a query?" It won't be for another month or
> so
> > till they ask about relationships and/or naming convention.
> >
> > I'm also on a list where some of the M$oft specialists are having
> > difficulty with Office365, Sharepoint and some options that were shown at
> > the recent Summit Conference. I mention this to show some of the issues
> > that I see in my limited scope.
> > My interpretation of these is that M$oft is selling/marketing some of the
> > Office "stuff" including Access to end users as a solution to database.
> > The  "users"/"company management" see the ads for software and believe
> that
> > the software solves the business issue. The M$oft specialist are busy
> > promoting another new product/concept/approach -- too busy to listen to
> the
> > hard core users.  The M$oft motto may be --We're selling sizzle not
> steak.
> >
> > It's confusing, just as we are questioning AccessD, M$oft is promoting
> > these tools to "users/management", but at the same time I'm seeing MVP's
> > asking (M$oft and AccessTeam) to put more emphasis on the capabilities of
> > ACCESS and be respectful of the installed base. I realize M$oft is a
> > business and must continue with products/services. But is it leaving
> > existing customers behind, mostly abandoned? Sure there are other
> products
> > - move to SQL Server, move to Sharepoint.
> > But move often means more dollars, more training, more software/hardware
> > purchases, conversion, change in processes - at a time when the economy
> > isn't great. I don't see anyone, other than M$oft, touting this latest
> > round of offerings.
> >
> > Maybe there is some humor in that, but I think for many of us, we've seen
> > at least one cycle of this merry-go-round, and we're unsure if we should
> > jump off now, or go for another ride.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Tina Norris Fields <
> > tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Jack, you made me laugh right out loud with this one:
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > >
> > > These users seem to feel that- now that they have the Access software,
> > the
> > > databases will just
> > > get generated.???? no concepts, no plans,...
> > >
> > > </snip
> > >
> > > I was teaching a Lotus 1-2-3 class in the summer of 1995 (DOS version),
> > > especially important for students who were enrolling in the college's
> > > accounting courses.  As we began, I was offering examples of problems
> to
> > be
> > > easily solved using formulas in 1-2-3. Describing several Girl Scouts
> > with
> > > differing numbers of boxes of cookies to sell, I started making the
> > formula
> > > to calculate the total number of dollars each Girl Scout was
> responsible
> > > for, noting that it was a simple algebraic expression.  From the back
> of
> > > the room came the outraged cry, "Algebra!  Nobody told me I would need
> > > algebra for this!"  Stunned, I asked the young lady why that would be a
> > > problem, for surely she had learned algebra in high school.  No, she
> had
> > > not.  Algebra was not required in her high school curriculum.  Now,
> > > remember, this young lady intended to pursue an accounting degree.  She
> > > needed to be able to craft formulas in a spreadsheet, and she had no
> > > knowledge of algebra.  I asked her gently how she expected to proceed.
> >  She
> > > declared that she expected the program to figure out how to set up the
> > > formulas, because that was what she understood its usefulness to be.  I
> > > don't know how she expected to tell the program what the problem to be
> > > solved was, but it had never dawned on her that she had any
> > responsibility
> > > to think her way through the solution process.
> > >
> > > Thanks for the memory and the laugh - bittersweet though it is.
> > >
> > > T
> > >
> > > Tina Norris Fields
> > > tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-**com
> > > 231-322-2787
> > >
> > >
> > > On 2/21/2013 1:44 PM, jack drawbridge wrote:
> > >
> > >> And many of the forums from my view seem to have a large percentage of
> > new
> > >> users. Usually students doing assignments, or the self learning group
> > that
> > >> has never heard of normalization, relationships...  They all seem to
> > >> Acc2010 or 2013, and most have installed the 64 bit version, and have
> > the
> > >> latest hardware. Their big issue is how to update a "cell", or how to
> > >> write
> > >> SQL. Most have never heard of a data model (or ERD). These users seem
> to
> > >> feel that- now that they have the Access software, the databases will
> > just
> > >> get generated.???? no concepts, no plans,...
> > >> Seems they are still teaching using Access n some schools, but none of
> > the
> > >> database/relational theory. Many have never heard of Normalization.  I
> > >>  had
> > >> one (British hair salon owner trying to deal with appointments, staff
> > >> availability and products) who accused me of "hijacking" his thread
> > >> because
> > >> I asked what his core business was and could he post a jpg of his
> tables
> > >> and relationships etc..  I asked about his core business and asked if
> he
> > >> should be running the salon/cutting hair etc, and should he be
> building
> > >> the
> > >> database or hire a contractor. He also said he didn't know what a data
> > >> model was and certainly had no need of one now and my questions
> weren't
> > >> helping him He needed to know how to write a query to add totals into
> > one
> > >> of his tables..
> > >>
> > >> I think AccessD,  and I have been a long time lurker/learner with few
> > >> posts, is far beyond these basics. When a discussion or issue is
> raised,
> > >> it
> > >> is usually meaningful, thought out and relevant. Perhaps we have
> mostly
> > >> beaten the variety of syntax issues, and 99 ways to skin the cat, and
> > >> there
> > >> are no longer the numerous, more mundane issues for resolution.
> > >>
> > >> I'm not sure what exactly would revamp/reface/re-energize AccessD. I
> > like
> > >> John's blog. Perhaps the Ruby on Rails or other topics as has been
> > >> suggested. However, I feel that may not get a broad take up.  I'm
> > retired;
> > >> have been for 5 years, my Access is typically helping people on the
> > >> forums.
> > >> As has been pointed out, many here are 40+ (maybe 50+), with diverse
> > jobs.
> > >> And some have been forced to look for new opportunities to use their
> > >> skills.I don't see a lot of people jumping to Acc2013 or Sharepoint,
> > and I
> > >> personally have no real interest there.
> > >>
> > >> Any way, just a little rambling to feed the pot.
> > >>
> > >> jack
> > >>
> > >>
> > > --
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> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
> > >
> > --
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Mar  1 15:56:50 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 13:56:50 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Back to 8
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Which leaves me...disconnected.  I've got one link from Gary Kjos to follow
up on to see if I can get good ol' IE8 back.  Otherwise I'll be back to
perster you all again.

R 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 1:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8

I dont believe it either. Sounds lime notwork man just doesnt want to make
the settings the way they need to be set nor research the problem
thoroughly.

Jmufo
On Mar 1, 2013 10:34 AM, "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net> wrote:

> I have one customer site where 8 is required due to the financial 
> software being hooked into it. Otherwise the last reason I had for 
> someone saying they needed 8 was the vpn software, which after looking 
> into it was not true
> - they just hadn't checked for an updated vpn client.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:06 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8
>
> I'm not sure whether I was using 8 or 9.  But notwork man said 
> something about the server they're using and gave me the impression 
> that 8 was what was needed.
>
> I tried to install nine but the installer said it was already installed.
>
> Ah, the Microsoft Mysteries.
>
> R
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:18 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8
>
> How about 9?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 9:03 PM
> To: List; 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Back to 8
>
> Dear Lists:
>
> So I upgraded to IE 10.  Looked good.  Couldn't tell much difference.  
> But my connection to a client's server won't work in 10.  So the 
> not-work guy to em I have to go back to 8.  So - how do I do that?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky
>
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From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Mar  1 16:10:39 2013
From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 22:10:39 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Back to 8
References: <268F3780ECCE4263B11792F9784EAE3F@HAL9007><014001ce162b$7181cd60$54856820$@winhaven.net><6179D24FE7E44A2E97762278573C966A@HAL9007><01ca01ce1691$dfb1e610$9f15b230$@winhaven.net><CAGuQ9V56gmBw0R9rf1TLJF7PcsHUTyB-hU5nWSLZo3bAR_mZ3Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<FF5B534163394692A96F9A997A36C413@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <81DED25A239D45738C6CEC696E34B581@jamesc319792ae>

Somewhat risky, but if the presence of 9 won't let you do a reversion 
install of  8
You may be able to go to Chrome (or another alternative)
uninstall 9 and then instal 8.
But the first thing would be to ensure that you can download an install pack 
for 8.
I suspect you may need the windows key to install 8 if there is no other 
version on the system.

But that's all from vague memories of a similar problem years ago when I was 
'playing' with an XP that had gone bad - possibly with a 6 to 8 upgrade.
Or maybe after a client had started a reinstall of XP
Operative clause being "vague memories"

JimB

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8


> Which leaves me...disconnected.  I've got one link from Gary Kjos to 
> follow
> up on to see if I can get good ol' IE8 back.  Otherwise I'll be back to
> perster you all again.
>
> R
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 1:20 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8
>
> I dont believe it either. Sounds lime notwork man just doesnt want to make
> the settings the way they need to be set nor research the problem
> thoroughly.
>
> Jmufo
> On Mar 1, 2013 10:34 AM, "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
>
>> I have one customer site where 8 is required due to the financial
>> software being hooked into it. Otherwise the last reason I had for
>> someone saying they needed 8 was the vpn software, which after looking
>> into it was not true
>> - they just hadn't checked for an updated vpn client.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
>> Smolin
>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:06 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8
>>
>> I'm not sure whether I was using 8 or 9.  But notwork man said
>> something about the server they're using and gave me the impression
>> that 8 was what was needed.
>>
>> I tried to install nine but the installer said it was already installed.
>>
>> Ah, the Microsoft Mysteries.
>>
>> R
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:18 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8
>>
>> How about 9?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
>> Smolin
>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 9:03 PM
>> To: List; 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: [AccessD] Back to 8
>>
>> Dear Lists:
>>
>> So I upgraded to IE 10.  Looked good.  Couldn't tell much difference.
>> But my connection to a client's server won't work in 10.  So the
>> not-work guy to em I have to go back to 8.  So - how do I do that?
>>
>> MTIA
>>
>> Rocky
>>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Mar  1 16:19:24 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 14:19:24 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Back to 8
In-Reply-To: <81DED25A239D45738C6CEC696E34B581@jamesc319792ae>
References: <268F3780ECCE4263B11792F9784EAE3F@HAL9007><014001ce162b$7181cd60$54856820$@winhaven.net><6179D24FE7E44A2E97762278573C966A@HAL9007><01ca01ce1691$dfb1e610$9f15b230$@winhaven.net><CAGuQ9V56gmBw0R9rf1TLJF7PcsHUTyB-hU5nWSLZo3bAR_mZ3Q@mail.gmail.com><FF5B534163394692A96F9A997A36C413@HAL9007>
	<81DED25A239D45738C6CEC696E34B581@jamesc319792ae>
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When I run IE it's Version 10.  Don't know why I got that message about 9
when I try to install it.  I can't run it.  And there doesn't seem to be a
way to uninstall IE in any event.  Doesn't show on the program list to
update/uninstall. 

The IE8 download doesn't give me a W7 option - just XP, Vista, and Server.

R

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 2:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8

Somewhat risky, but if the presence of 9 won't let you do a reversion
install of  8 You may be able to go to Chrome (or another alternative)
uninstall 9 and then instal 8.
But the first thing would be to ensure that you can download an install pack
for 8.
I suspect you may need the windows key to install 8 if there is no other
version on the system.

But that's all from vague memories of a similar problem years ago when I was
'playing' with an XP that had gone bad - possibly with a 6 to 8 upgrade.
Or maybe after a client had started a reinstall of XP Operative clause being
"vague memories"

JimB

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8


> Which leaves me...disconnected.  I've got one link from Gary Kjos to 
> follow
> up on to see if I can get good ol' IE8 back.  Otherwise I'll be back to
> perster you all again.
>
> R
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 1:20 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8
>
> I dont believe it either. Sounds lime notwork man just doesnt want to make
> the settings the way they need to be set nor research the problem
> thoroughly.
>
> Jmufo
> On Mar 1, 2013 10:34 AM, "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
>
>> I have one customer site where 8 is required due to the financial
>> software being hooked into it. Otherwise the last reason I had for
>> someone saying they needed 8 was the vpn software, which after looking
>> into it was not true
>> - they just hadn't checked for an updated vpn client.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
>> Smolin
>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:06 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8
>>
>> I'm not sure whether I was using 8 or 9.  But notwork man said
>> something about the server they're using and gave me the impression
>> that 8 was what was needed.
>>
>> I tried to install nine but the installer said it was already installed.
>>
>> Ah, the Microsoft Mysteries.
>>
>> R
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:18 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8
>>
>> How about 9?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
>> Smolin
>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 9:03 PM
>> To: List; 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: [AccessD] Back to 8
>>
>> Dear Lists:
>>
>> So I upgraded to IE 10.  Looked good.  Couldn't tell much difference.
>> But my connection to a client's server won't work in 10.  So the
>> not-work guy to em I have to go back to 8.  So - how do I do that?
>>
>> MTIA
>>
>> Rocky
>>
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Fri Mar  1 16:33:14 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 11:33:14 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Back to 8
In-Reply-To: <C58B6D5C6A1B4D3A8ECE356A4AD6C432@HAL9007>
References: <268F3780ECCE4263B11792F9784EAE3F@HAL9007>
	<014001ce162b$7181cd60$54856820$@winhaven.net>
	<6179D24FE7E44A2E97762278573C966A@HAL9007>
	<01ca01ce1691$dfb1e610$9f15b230$@winhaven.net>
	<CAGuQ9V56gmBw0R9rf1TLJF7PcsHUTyB-hU5nWSLZo3bAR_mZ3Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<FF5B534163394692A96F9A997A36C413@HAL9007>
	<81DED25A239D45738C6CEC696E34B581@jamesc319792ae>
	<C58B6D5C6A1B4D3A8ECE356A4AD6C432@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V7vf12AUrhgWx1t9wAa+tUBifz1Mk4pE1vGv1zowA0rjg@mail.gmail.com>

How about a windows restore point?

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Mar  1 17:00:11 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 15:00:11 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Back to 8
In-Reply-To: <81DED25A239D45738C6CEC696E34B581@jamesc319792ae>
References: <268F3780ECCE4263B11792F9784EAE3F@HAL9007><014001ce162b$7181cd60$54856820$@winhaven.net><6179D24FE7E44A2E97762278573C966A@HAL9007><01ca01ce1691$dfb1e610$9f15b230$@winhaven.net><CAGuQ9V56gmBw0R9rf1TLJF7PcsHUTyB-hU5nWSLZo3bAR_mZ3Q@mail.gmail.com><FF5B534163394692A96F9A997A36C413@HAL9007>
	<81DED25A239D45738C6CEC696E34B581@jamesc319792ae>
Message-ID: <B162DE41A0144E7B8FC39AE48ECFBB96@HAL9007>

OK - notwork guy says they're using small business server 2003. Making it
compatible with IE10 would take 4-10 hours. The upgrade to Server 2011,
which would work with IE10 would cost $3300 plus his time.

Sound right?

R

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 2:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8

Somewhat risky, but if the presence of 9 won't let you do a reversion
install of  8 You may be able to go to Chrome (or another alternative)
uninstall 9 and then instal 8.
But the first thing would be to ensure that you can download an install pack
for 8.
I suspect you may need the windows key to install 8 if there is no other
version on the system.

But that's all from vague memories of a similar problem years ago when I was
'playing' with an XP that had gone bad - possibly with a 6 to 8 upgrade.
Or maybe after a client had started a reinstall of XP Operative clause being
"vague memories"

JimB

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8


> Which leaves me...disconnected.  I've got one link from Gary Kjos to 
> follow
> up on to see if I can get good ol' IE8 back.  Otherwise I'll be back to
> perster you all again.
>
> R
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 1:20 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8
>
> I dont believe it either. Sounds lime notwork man just doesnt want to make
> the settings the way they need to be set nor research the problem
> thoroughly.
>
> Jmufo
> On Mar 1, 2013 10:34 AM, "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
>
>> I have one customer site where 8 is required due to the financial
>> software being hooked into it. Otherwise the last reason I had for
>> someone saying they needed 8 was the vpn software, which after looking
>> into it was not true
>> - they just hadn't checked for an updated vpn client.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
>> Smolin
>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:06 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8
>>
>> I'm not sure whether I was using 8 or 9.  But notwork man said
>> something about the server they're using and gave me the impression
>> that 8 was what was needed.
>>
>> I tried to install nine but the installer said it was already installed.
>>
>> Ah, the Microsoft Mysteries.
>>
>> R
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:18 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8
>>
>> How about 9?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
>> Smolin
>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 9:03 PM
>> To: List; 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: [AccessD] Back to 8
>>
>> Dear Lists:
>>
>> So I upgraded to IE 10.  Looked good.  Couldn't tell much difference.
>> But my connection to a client's server won't work in 10.  So the
>> not-work guy to em I have to go back to 8.  So - how do I do that?
>>
>> MTIA
>>
>> Rocky
>>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Mar  1 18:09:34 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 16:09:34 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Back to 8
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V7vf12AUrhgWx1t9wAa+tUBifz1Mk4pE1vGv1zowA0rjg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <268F3780ECCE4263B11792F9784EAE3F@HAL9007><014001ce162b$7181cd60$54856820$@winhaven.net><6179D24FE7E44A2E97762278573C966A@HAL9007><01ca01ce1691$dfb1e610$9f15b230$@winhaven.net><CAGuQ9V56gmBw0R9rf1TLJF7PcsHUTyB-hU5nWSLZo3bAR_mZ3Q@mail.gmail.com><FF5B534163394692A96F9A997A36C413@HAL9007><81DED25A239D45738C6CEC696E34B581@jamesc319792ae><C58B6D5C6A1B4D3A8ECE356A4AD6C432@HAL9007>
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You'd think notwork guy would have suggested it.  Yeah, rolled back to 2/27
and we're back in the air.

Thanks

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 2:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8

How about a windows restore point?
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Fri Mar  1 18:32:51 2013
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2013 19:32:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] my situation....
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V520z9h+ZSUPXez-nSh4rBdt1wHZOZSvCzddRoUOq8smg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1j29SprAhAhb3QOz1Yc=YoWdjdyyv_1HkE936Z7mWmacQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<018c01ce1622$af228fa0$0d67aee0$@net>
	<CAGuQ9V520z9h+ZSUPXez-nSh4rBdt1wHZOZSvCzddRoUOq8smg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007901ce16dd$79577000$6c065000$@net>

You referring to the supply chain management that provides the recommended
order quantity ?
Actually, right now, I cannot as my Office 2010 machine blew-up...and I must
remote desktop into the workstation to run the app. I'll try doing a
Camtasia of it though...that should work.
>
> Mark can u screen share and demo that app (the excel ordering one)?
>



From vbacreations at gmail.com  Fri Mar  1 19:52:32 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 14:52:32 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Back to 8
In-Reply-To: <9C77138E72BC4637B2B6D6B3B932D5F9@HAL9007>
References: <268F3780ECCE4263B11792F9784EAE3F@HAL9007>
	<014001ce162b$7181cd60$54856820$@winhaven.net>
	<6179D24FE7E44A2E97762278573C966A@HAL9007>
	<01ca01ce1691$dfb1e610$9f15b230$@winhaven.net>
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Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V7JLWeKgmxY8t8M5bDNd0cxR_dag0-E1a+L26ViB-=hVA@mail.gmail.com>

Wow I got one! since I never have helped anyone here yet what are the
prizes for first timers?
On Mar 1, 2013 7:10 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> You'd think notwork guy would have suggested it.  Yeah, rolled back to 2/27
> and we're back in the air.
>
> Thanks
>
> R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 2:33 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8
>
> How about a windows restore point?
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Mar  1 20:32:13 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 18:32:13 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Back to 8
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V7JLWeKgmxY8t8M5bDNd0cxR_dag0-E1a+L26ViB-=hVA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <5DAE85BB4D7A4016A1FD6D95ED43D888@HAL9007>

Firm handshake and a cyber pat on the back! :)

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8

Wow I got one! since I never have helped anyone here yet what are the prizes
for first timers?
On Mar 1, 2013 7:10 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> You'd think notwork guy would have suggested it.  Yeah, rolled back to 
> 2/27 and we're back in the air.
>
> Thanks
>
> R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William 
> Benson
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 2:33 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8
>
> How about a windows restore point?
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
--
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http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Fri Mar  1 20:36:24 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 15:36:24 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Back to 8
In-Reply-To: <5DAE85BB4D7A4016A1FD6D95ED43D888@HAL9007>
References: <268F3780ECCE4263B11792F9784EAE3F@HAL9007>
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	<6179D24FE7E44A2E97762278573C966A@HAL9007>
	<01ca01ce1691$dfb1e610$9f15b230$@winhaven.net>
	<CAGuQ9V56gmBw0R9rf1TLJF7PcsHUTyB-hU5nWSLZo3bAR_mZ3Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<FF5B534163394692A96F9A997A36C413@HAL9007>
	<81DED25A239D45738C6CEC696E34B581@jamesc319792ae>
	<C58B6D5C6A1B4D3A8ECE356A4AD6C432@HAL9007>
	<CAGuQ9V7vf12AUrhgWx1t9wAa+tUBifz1Mk4pE1vGv1zowA0rjg@mail.gmail.com>
	<9C77138E72BC4637B2B6D6B3B932D5F9@HAL9007>
	<CAGuQ9V7JLWeKgmxY8t8M5bDNd0cxR_dag0-E1a+L26ViB-=hVA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5DAE85BB4D7A4016A1FD6D95ED43D888@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V5LPD+hyx=x+QN8myBonApyAaD3_nsp4zEhaaFCJc4jmQ@mail.gmail.com>

Aw I was hoping it was bitcoins.
On Mar 1, 2013 9:33 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Firm handshake and a cyber pat on the back! :)
>
> R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:53 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8
>
> Wow I got one! since I never have helped anyone here yet what are the
> prizes
> for first timers?
> On Mar 1, 2013 7:10 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
>
> > You'd think notwork guy would have suggested it.  Yeah, rolled back to
> > 2/27 and we're back in the air.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > R
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> > Benson
> > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 2:33 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8
> >
> > How about a windows restore point?
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Mar  1 23:15:36 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 21:15:36 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Back to 8
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V5LPD+hyx=x+QN8myBonApyAaD3_nsp4zEhaaFCJc4jmQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <268F3780ECCE4263B11792F9784EAE3F@HAL9007><014001ce162b$7181cd60$54856820$@winhaven.net><6179D24FE7E44A2E97762278573C966A@HAL9007><01ca01ce1691$dfb1e610$9f15b230$@winhaven.net><CAGuQ9V56gmBw0R9rf1TLJF7PcsHUTyB-hU5nWSLZo3bAR_mZ3Q@mail.gmail.com><FF5B534163394692A96F9A997A36C413@HAL9007><81DED25A239D45738C6CEC696E34B581@jamesc319792ae><C58B6D5C6A1B4D3A8ECE356A4AD6C432@HAL9007><CAGuQ9V7vf12AUrhgWx1t9wAa+tUBifz1Mk4pE1vGv1zowA0rjg@mail.gmail.com><9C77138E72BC4637B2B6D6B3B932D5F9@HAL9007><CAGuQ9V7JLWeKgmxY8t8M5bDNd0cxR_dag0-E1a+L26ViB-=hVA@mail.gmail.com><5DAE85BB4D7A4016A1FD6D95ED43D888@HAL9007>
	<CAGuQ9V5LPD+hyx=x+QN8myBonApyAaD3_nsp4zEhaaFCJc4jmQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F92EF16B74F84918BB8C79A3D7EC34B8@HAL9007>

Sorta new to the list, are you? (the D in AccessD is for deficit)

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 6:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8

Aw I was hoping it was bitcoins.
On Mar 1, 2013 9:33 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Firm handshake and a cyber pat on the back! :)
>
> R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William 
> Benson
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:53 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8
>
> Wow I got one! since I never have helped anyone here yet what are the 
> prizes for first timers?
> On Mar 1, 2013 7:10 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
>
> > You'd think notwork guy would have suggested it.  Yeah, rolled back 
> > to
> > 2/27 and we're back in the air.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > R
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William 
> > Benson
> > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 2:33 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8
> >
> > How about a windows restore point?
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
--
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AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 00:23:46 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 19:23:46 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Back to 8
In-Reply-To: <F92EF16B74F84918BB8C79A3D7EC34B8@HAL9007>
References: <268F3780ECCE4263B11792F9784EAE3F@HAL9007>
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	<6179D24FE7E44A2E97762278573C966A@HAL9007>
	<01ca01ce1691$dfb1e610$9f15b230$@winhaven.net>
	<CAGuQ9V56gmBw0R9rf1TLJF7PcsHUTyB-hU5nWSLZo3bAR_mZ3Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<FF5B534163394692A96F9A997A36C413@HAL9007>
	<81DED25A239D45738C6CEC696E34B581@jamesc319792ae>
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	<CAGuQ9V7vf12AUrhgWx1t9wAa+tUBifz1Mk4pE1vGv1zowA0rjg@mail.gmail.com>
	<9C77138E72BC4637B2B6D6B3B932D5F9@HAL9007>
	<CAGuQ9V7JLWeKgmxY8t8M5bDNd0cxR_dag0-E1a+L26ViB-=hVA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5DAE85BB4D7A4016A1FD6D95ED43D888@HAL9007>
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	<F92EF16B74F84918BB8C79A3D7EC34B8@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V5N+OxtRwpxzc5upR14caQsDR5HKmgsTe2rrQPBT0F5+g@mail.gmail.com>

Not really .

Btw I kinda scared myself tonight when I began writing this a reply and as
my fingers were swyping keys with one hand while my other hand held my
Galaxy Note. 2 my brain was saying "we've got The Precious".

 On Mar 2, 2013 12:16 AM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Sorta new to the list, are you? (the D in AccessD is for deficit)
>
> R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 6:36 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8
>
> Aw I was hoping it was bitcoins.
> On Mar 1, 2013 9:33 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
>
> > Firm handshake and a cyber pat on the back! :)
> >
> > R
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> > Benson
> > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:53 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8
> >
> > Wow I got one! since I never have helped anyone here yet what are the
> > prizes for first timers?
> > On Mar 1, 2013 7:10 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
> >
> > > You'd think notwork guy would have suggested it.  Yeah, rolled back
> > > to
> > > 2/27 and we're back in the air.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > R
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> > > Benson
> > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 2:33 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8
> > >
> > > How about a windows restore point?
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Fri Mar  1 19:42:39 2013
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 01:42:39 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
In-Reply-To: <5130CEB3.30702@gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1j29SprAhAhb3QOz1Yc=YoWdjdyyv_1HkE936Z7mWmacQ@mail.gmail.com>,
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAJC7pyoHq6BMh61i+gvurovCgAAAEAAAAPCbozGeBxpGo5w20AfBhnsBAAAAAA==@gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B53441CE91@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>,
	<5130CEB3.30702@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5436D1157@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Yep, with you 100% on that one John (or 110% as some Excel users I know would say ;) ).

Personally I still think of these tools as I first did back in the early days of MS Office.  The database is for storing the data and shrinking down the vast raw data into the bits you require to look at via views / queries / whatever.

Excel is for doing the analysis, Pivots, charting, number mashing and playing with scenarios.

Word is for doing the final presentation (or maybe (god forbid), Powerpoint).

Too many folks try to do it all in one application.
I have seen spreadsheet attempted in word tables.
Databases in Excel is real common.
the list goes on...

That said, Excel still holds the honour of the killer PC application that got the whole show out of the IT department and into the hands of everyday users.  It really did give power to the people and I will always love it for that.





________________________________________
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] on behalf of John W Colby [jwcolby at gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, 2 March 2013 2:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this

>us meek Excel hacks will be still be making money and in demand long after MS Access is retired from general use and Access devs are extinct.

LOL, ain't that the truth.  I still prefer databases though.  Each has its place, it's just that
Excel so often ends up being turned into a database which it doesn't Excel at (pun intended)


John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/28/2013 8:48 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
> hehehehe, It is ok Bill, as an amatuer hack I am used to be insulted ;)  And whilst that maybe indeed the case we are mere dabblers in the dark arts of VBA - us meek Excel hacks will be still be making money and in demand long after MS Access is retired from general use and Access devs are extinct.
>
> So all good really ;) .  Arthur, please stick around on Excel - L, you will fit right in and your skills, experience and contributions will be appreciated.  Besides, I usually find you highly entertaining as well as educational - and not just with VBA stuff either.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] on behalf of William Benson (VBACreations.Com) [vbacreations at gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2013 9:04 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>
> Art, you take one thread (or a couple) and then kick an entire Listserv to
> the curb? You ought to be ashamed   ;-)
>
> Plus you just insulted both me and Darryl...
>
> Meanie.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:11 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>
> For some reason I ended up joining a list about Excel
> EXCEL-L at peach.ease.lsoft.com),  mistaking it for one our our lists. Wow was
> I wrong/ These people need more than a lifetime of help. Unfortunately, as I
> age, I don't have that much time.. .
>
> To be fair, it's a user's group not a developer's group, and it does shed
> some light on the differenence.
>
> The scary part is that some of these people fancy themselves as "Quants",
> short for Quantitative Analysts, which means that they are risking the
> hard-earned money that others have made and invested in this or that fund.
> And I am aware of many of their algorithms, having once worked for a
> Bermudian hedge fund, which at least had the sense to use SQL Server rather
> then Excel.
>
> This seriously frightens me. These Excel listers, save on or two, don't even
> know that there is a difference between a Range and an Array.
>
> The prospect that these people are playing with millions of dollars of money
> belonging to other people is truly frightening. The up-side is that I have
> invested zero dollars in the opinions of these fools; the down-side is that
> many several millions have, and I fear for their prospects.
>
> I guess what I am saying is this: if you want to realize what a valuable
> group this one is, just go visit that one for a minute or two. To think that
> these people are waging millions of other people's dollars on their
> "feelings" is ghastly.
>
> Hold onto your wallet; trust no one, especially if they come bearing a
> spreadsheet.Yes, there are tools available to audit spreadsheets, and I
> trust them. But in their absence. do not trust anyone. These people are
> jokers, fools or scammers. Take your pick.
>
> I do not fancy myself as an Excel guru. But once I learned the model, I had
> no problem doing some fancy footwork in Excel. Bur rhis goes to way that
> there is a difference between a programmer and a user. The frightening part
> is that users equipped with Excel are making decisions involving millions of
> other people's dollars.
>
> --
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
>
> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>    -- Niels Bohr
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>
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Fri Mar  1 18:35:54 2013
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2013 19:35:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
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References: <CAEPJO1j29SprAhAhb3QOz1Yc=YoWdjdyyv_1HkE936Z7mWmacQ@mail.gmail.com>,
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Guys - FWIW....I've discovered the best-of-the-best in Excel/VBA are at
EileensLounge.com, the social MSDN Developers site (Excel Dev forum), and of
course the dailydoseofexcel.com

> LOL, ain't that the truth.  I still prefer databases though.  Each has
> its place, it's just that
> Excel so often ends up being turned into a database which it doesn't
> Excel at (pun intended)



From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz  Sat Mar  2 02:09:43 2013
From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 21:09:43 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] changing Field Size programmatically
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Thanks a million, John and Rocky.  That will do the trick - save me a lot of 
time!

Regards
Steve

-----Original Message----- 
From: Rocky Smolin
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 6:15 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] changing Field Size programmatically

I thought I remember trying to do this and you can't - you have to re-create
the field.  But here's a snip from a thread I found:

************************************************************************
You can't change the size of an existing field without generating an
error, AFAIK. You can, however, create a temp field of the right size,
copy data over, delete the old one, create the new one, copy the data
over (to preserve field names), and delete the temp field. Any indexes
or relationships will generate and error, however.

Sub FieldChange()
'This will fail if the field is a part of any index or
relationship.....
'Additional code is needed if that is a possibility
Dim dbs As DAO.Database
Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef
Dim fld As DAO.Field
Set dbs = CurrentDb
Set tdf = dbs.TableDefs("Contacts")
Set fld = tdf.CreateField("LastName1", dbText, 255)
tdf.Fields.Append fld
dbs.Execute "Update Contacts set lastname1 = lastname"
tdf.Fields.Delete "LastName"
tdf.Fields.Refresh
Set fld = tdf.CreateField("LastName", dbText, 255)
tdf.Fields.Append fld
dbs.Execute "Update Contacts set lastname = lastname1"
tdf.Fields.Delete "LastName1"
tdf.Fields.Refresh
Set fld = Nothing
Set tdf = Nothing
Set dbs = Nothing
End Sub
************************************************************************

Shorter than the code from the link below but doesn't take care of
re-creating the indezes.

HTH

Rocky



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bodin
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 8:17 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] changing Field Size programmatically

Hi Steve,

Used this code in an A2010 app, worked real well.  It is free, according to
the web-site.  Here's the link and the code for just the modify field size
routine.  Good luck.

http://aislebyaisle.com/access/vba_backend_code.htm

'
' Free Code from http://aislebyaisle.com/access/vba_backend_code.htm
'
'---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
'
' MSysObjects TYPES:
' 1 = Tables
' 6 = Attached Tables
' -32768 = Forms
' 5 = Queries
' -32764 = Reports
' -32761 = Modules
'---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
'Change Field Size (for text fields)
'The function ChangeFieldSize works both if the table is linked or local,
because the code checks what kind of table it is. This calls GetIndexes
which is listed separately at the bottom of this page. The subroutine
CallChangeFieldSize has sample code to call the function.



Function ChangeFieldSize(TblName As String, FldName As String, NewSize As
Byte) Dim Td As TableDef Dim db As Database Dim DbPath As Variant Dim FldPos
As Integer Dim rs As Recordset Dim IdxNames As Variant Dim IdxFldName As
String Dim IdxNum As Integer Dim x As Integer

'get back end path of linked table
    DbPath = DLookup("Database", "MSysObjects", "Name='" & TblName & "' And
Type=6")
    If IsNull(DbPath) Then
        Set db = CurrentDb 'if local table
    Else
        Set db = OpenDatabase(DbPath) 'if linked table
        If Err <> 0 Then
            'failed to open back end database
            Exit Function
        End If
        'in case back end has different table name than front end
        TblName = DLookup("ForeignName", "MSysObjects", "Name='" & TblName &
"' And Type=6")
    End If

'get table
    Set Td = db.TableDefs(TblName)
    If Err <> 0 Then
        'failed to get table
        GoTo Done
    End If

'change field size
    If Td.Fields(FldName).Size <> NewSize Then
        With Td

            On Error Resume Next
            If NewSize > 0 And NewSize < 256 Then 'text field
                .Fields.Append .CreateField("TempFld", dbText, NewSize)
            Else '0 is memo field
                .Fields.Append .CreateField("TempFld", dbMemo)
            End If

            .Fields("TempFld").AllowZeroLength = True 'personal preference
            FldPos = .Fields(FldName).OrdinalPosition
            .Fields("TempFld").OrdinalPosition = FldPos

            Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(TblName)
            While Not rs.EOF
                rs.Edit
                rs!TempFld = rs.Fields(FldName)
                rs.Update
            rs.MoveNext
            Wend
            rs.Close

            'get indexes used by this field
            IdxNames = GetIndexes(Td, FldName)
            'temporarily delete indexes used by this field
            For IdxNum = UBound(IdxNames, 2) To 0 Step -1
                If IdxNames(0, IdxNum) > "" Then .Indexes.Delete IdxNames(0,
IdxNum)
            Next

            'delete old field
            .Fields.Delete FldName
            'rename new field to original
            .Fields("TempFld").Name = FldName

            'restore indexes
            For IdxNum = 0 To UBound(IdxNames, 2)
                If IdxNames(0, IdxNum) > "" Then
                    Dim Idx As Index
                    Set Idx = .CreateIndex(IdxNames(0, IdxNum))
                    'parse comma-delimited field names and add them to index
                    While Len(IdxNames(8, IdxNum)) > 1
                        x = InStr(IdxNames(8, IdxNum), ",")
                        IdxFldName = Left(IdxNames(8, IdxNum), x - 1)
                        Idx.Fields.Append Td.CreateField(IdxFldName)
                        IdxNames(8, IdxNum) = Mid(IdxNames(8, IdxNum), x +
1)
                    Wend
                    'assign properties to index
                    For x = 1 To 7
                        Idx.Properties(x) = IdxNames(x, IdxNum)
                    Next
                    'add the index
                    .Indexes.Append Idx
                End If
            Next

        End With

        If Err <> 0 Then GoTo Done

    End If

ChangeFieldSize = True  'defaults to false if it fails to get here

Done:
If Not db Is Nothing Then db.Close
End Function


Sub CallChangeFieldSize()
Dim Result As Boolean

'sample call:
Result = ChangeFieldSize("Table1", "Field1", 15) Debug.Print Result End Sub

'---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
'Get Indexes In Table
'Access won't let you change a field type or a field size if that field
belongs to an index. Therefore, it's necessary to delete the index, modify
the field, and restore the index. The function GetIndexes finds all the
indexes containing the given field. It returns an array containing the index
names and all the index properties so that you can restore them later. This
function is called by the functions ChangeFieldSize and ChangeFieldType
above.



Function GetIndexes(Td As TableDef, FldName As String) 'Returns array of
indexes containing the specified field, ' the first index starting at
Idx(1), so that ' Ubound(2, Idx) equals the number of indexes having the
specified field Dim IdxNum As Integer, FldNum As Integer, PropNum As Integer
Dim IdxNames() As String 'array to hold indexes ReDim IdxNames(8, 0) 'first
dimension contains the index properties and field names
                'second dimension represents index number Dim FldNames As
String

    For IdxNum = 0 To Td.Indexes.Count - 1
        FldNames = ""
        For FldNum = 0 To Td.Indexes(IdxNum).Fields.Count - 1
            'concatonate field names
            FldNames = FldNames & Td.Indexes(IdxNum).Fields(FldNum).Name &
","
            'if index contains the field we're looking for ...
            If FldName = Td.Indexes(IdxNum).Fields(FldNum).Name Then
                If IdxNum > 0 Then ReDim Preserve IdxNames(8, IdxNum)
                'properties go into first 7 places of first dimension
                For PropNum = 0 To 7
                    IdxNames(PropNum, IdxNum) =
Td.Indexes(IdxNum).Properties(PropNum)
                Next
            End If
        Next
        'field names go into 8th place of first dimension
        If IdxNames(8, UBound(IdxNames, 2)) = "" Then IdxNames(8,
UBound(IdxNames, 2)) = FldNames
    Next

    GetIndexes = IdxNames
End Function

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:05 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] changing Field Size programmatically

Hi.  Anyone know how to do this?...

I have a number of fields, all of them Text data type, in a backend Access
2003 database, that I want to change the Field Size property.

Aside from getting hold of each copy of the mdb file, and manually editing,
is there a way I can do this in code from within the Frontend application?

Thanks.

Regards
Steve

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Mar  2 06:34:38 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2013 13:34:38 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Back to 8
Message-ID: <s1320004.051@cactus.dk>

Hi Rocky

No that doesn't sound right. I've never heard of this and cannot Google a single hit mentioning such "incompatibility". Could you get a reference from him?

There may, of course, be other reason for an upgrade but this seems faint.

/gustav

>>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 02-03-13 0:00 >>>
OK - notwork guy says they're using small business server 2003. Making it
compatible with IE10 would take 4-10 hours. The upgrade to Server 2011,
which would work with IE10 would cost $3300 plus his time.

Sound right?

R


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 07:23:12 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2013 08:23:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
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 >That said, Excel still holds the honour of the killer PC application that got the whole show out 
of the IT department and into the hands of everyday users. It really did give power to the people 
and I will always love it for that.

And here I thought Lotus 123 did that.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 3/1/2013 8:42 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
> Yep, with you 100% on that one John (or 110% as some Excel users I know would say ;) ).
>
> Personally I still think of these tools as I first did back in the early days of MS Office.  The database is for storing the data and shrinking down the vast raw data into the bits you require to look at via views / queries / whatever.
>
> Excel is for doing the analysis, Pivots, charting, number mashing and playing with scenarios.
>
> Word is for doing the final presentation (or maybe (god forbid), Powerpoint).
>
> Too many folks try to do it all in one application.
> I have seen spreadsheet attempted in word tables.
> Databases in Excel is real common.
> the list goes on...
>
> That said, Excel still holds the honour of the killer PC application that got the whole show out of the IT department and into the hands of everyday users.  It really did give power to the people and I will always love it for that.
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] on behalf of John W Colby [jwcolby at gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, 2 March 2013 2:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>
>> us meek Excel hacks will be still be making money and in demand long after MS Access is retired from general use and Access devs are extinct.
> LOL, ain't that the truth.  I still prefer databases though.  Each has its place, it's just that
> Excel so often ends up being turned into a database which it doesn't Excel at (pun intended)
>
>
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 2/28/2013 8:48 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>> hehehehe, It is ok Bill, as an amatuer hack I am used to be insulted ;)  And whilst that maybe indeed the case we are mere dabblers in the dark arts of VBA - us meek Excel hacks will be still be making money and in demand long after MS Access is retired from general use and Access devs are extinct.
>>
>> So all good really ;) .  Arthur, please stick around on Excel - L, you will fit right in and your skills, experience and contributions will be appreciated.  Besides, I usually find you highly entertaining as well as educational - and not just with VBA stuff either.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Darryl.
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] on behalf of William Benson (VBACreations.Com) [vbacreations at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2013 9:04 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>>
>> Art, you take one thread (or a couple) and then kick an entire Listserv to
>> the curb? You ought to be ashamed   ;-)
>>
>> Plus you just insulted both me and Darryl...
>>
>> Meanie.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:11 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>>
>> For some reason I ended up joining a list about Excel
>> EXCEL-L at peach.ease.lsoft.com),  mistaking it for one our our lists. Wow was
>> I wrong/ These people need more than a lifetime of help. Unfortunately, as I
>> age, I don't have that much time.. .
>>
>> To be fair, it's a user's group not a developer's group, and it does shed
>> some light on the differenence.
>>
>> The scary part is that some of these people fancy themselves as "Quants",
>> short for Quantitative Analysts, which means that they are risking the
>> hard-earned money that others have made and invested in this or that fund.
>> And I am aware of many of their algorithms, having once worked for a
>> Bermudian hedge fund, which at least had the sense to use SQL Server rather
>> then Excel.
>>
>> This seriously frightens me. These Excel listers, save on or two, don't even
>> know that there is a difference between a Range and an Array.
>>
>> The prospect that these people are playing with millions of dollars of money
>> belonging to other people is truly frightening. The up-side is that I have
>> invested zero dollars in the opinions of these fools; the down-side is that
>> many several millions have, and I fear for their prospects.
>>
>> I guess what I am saying is this: if you want to realize what a valuable
>> group this one is, just go visit that one for a minute or two. To think that
>> these people are waging millions of other people's dollars on their
>> "feelings" is ghastly.
>>
>> Hold onto your wallet; trust no one, especially if they come bearing a
>> spreadsheet.Yes, there are tools available to audit spreadsheets, and I
>> trust them. But in their absence. do not trust anyone. These people are
>> jokers, fools or scammers. Take your pick.
>>
>> I do not fancy myself as an Excel guru. But once I learned the model, I had
>> no problem doing some fancy footwork in Excel. Bur rhis goes to way that
>> there is a difference between a programmer and a user. The frightening part
>> is that users equipped with Excel are making decisions involving millions of
>> other people's dollars.
>>
>> --
>> Arthur
>> Cell: 647.710.1314
>>
>> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>>     -- Niels Bohr
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Mar  2 07:48:35 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 05:48:35 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Back to 8
In-Reply-To: <s1320004.051@cactus.dk>
References: <s1320004.051@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <643F267A930D472598160754FFB939E3@HAL9007>

I suspect you're right, Gustav.  But I'm not a network guy so it's hard for
me even to know what questions to ask.  Anyway - that's his story and he's
sticking to it.

I'm off to Monrovia today to the regional robotics competition (my kid - not
me) and one of the parents is a network DBA guy.  I'll have a gabble with
him - we'll have all day up there. Let you know what I find out.

R

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 4:35 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8

Hi Rocky

No that doesn't sound right. I've never heard of this and cannot Google a
single hit mentioning such "incompatibility". Could you get a reference from
him?

There may, of course, be other reason for an upgrade but this seems faint.

/gustav

>>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 02-03-13 0:00 >>>
OK - notwork guy says they're using small business server 2003. Making it
compatible with IE10 would take 4-10 hours. The upgrade to Server 2011,
which would work with IE10 would cost $3300 plus his time.

Sound right?

R

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Mar  2 08:04:20 2013
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2013 15:04:20 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Back to 8
Message-ID: <s1321504.054@cactus.dk>

Hi Rocky

So your "kid" is a robot??

Let's hear the plain words from the notwork guy. He may have a point, and then we would like to learn, but I doubt it.

/gustav

>>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 02-03-13 14:48 >>>
I suspect you're right, Gustav.  But I'm not a network guy so it's hard for
me even to know what questions to ask.  Anyway - that's his story and he's
sticking to it.

I'm off to Monrovia today to the regional robotics competition (my kid - not
me) and one of the parents is a network DBA guy.  I'll have a gabble with
him - we'll have all day up there. Let you know what I find out.

R

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 4:35 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8

Hi Rocky

No that doesn't sound right. I've never heard of this and cannot Google a
single hit mentioning such "incompatibility". Could you get a reference from
him?

There may, of course, be other reason for an upgrade but this seems faint.

/gustav

>>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 02-03-13 0:00 >>>
OK - notwork guy says they're using small business server 2003. Making it
compatible with IE10 would take 4-10 hours. The upgrade to Server 2011,
which would work with IE10 would cost $3300 plus his time.

Sound right?

R


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Mar  2 08:07:16 2013
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2013 15:07:16 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Censoring
Message-ID: <s13215b8.055@cactus.dk>

Wow! What could that be on a quiet Saturday?

<quote>
Your mail to 'AccessD' with the subject

    Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this

Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.

The reason it is being held:

    The message headers matched a filter rule
</quote>

/gustav


From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 07:46:08 2013
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 08:46:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
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Come on John, you remember Visicalc.....

On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 8:23 AM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> >That said, Excel still holds the honour of the killer PC application that
> got the whole show out of the IT department and into the hands of everyday
> users. It really did give power to the people and I will always love it for
> that.
>
> And here I thought Lotus 123 did that.
>
>
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
>
> On 3/1/2013 8:42 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>
>> Yep, with you 100% on that one John (or 110% as some Excel users I know
>> would say ;) ).
>>
>> Personally I still think of these tools as I first did back in the early
>> days of MS Office.  The database is for storing the data and shrinking down
>> the vast raw data into the bits you require to look at via views / queries
>> / whatever.
>>
>> Excel is for doing the analysis, Pivots, charting, number mashing and
>> playing with scenarios.
>>
>> Word is for doing the final presentation (or maybe (god forbid),
>> Powerpoint).
>>
>> Too many folks try to do it all in one application.
>> I have seen spreadsheet attempted in word tables.
>> Databases in Excel is real common.
>> the list goes on...
>>
>> That said, Excel still holds the honour of the killer PC application that
>> got the whole show out of the IT department and into the hands of everyday
>> users.  It really did give power to the people and I will always love it
>> for that.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________**__________
>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>[
>> accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>> on behalf of John W Colby [jwcolby at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, 2 March 2013 2:52 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>>
>>  us meek Excel hacks will be still be making money and in demand long
>>> after MS Access is retired from general use and Access devs are extinct.
>>>
>> LOL, ain't that the truth.  I still prefer databases though.  Each has
>> its place, it's just that
>> Excel so often ends up being turned into a database which it doesn't
>> Excel at (pun intended)
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> On 2/28/2013 8:48 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>>
>>> hehehehe, It is ok Bill, as an amatuer hack I am used to be insulted ;)
>>>  And whilst that maybe indeed the case we are mere dabblers in the dark
>>> arts of VBA - us meek Excel hacks will be still be making money and in
>>> demand long after MS Access is retired from general use and Access devs are
>>> extinct.
>>>
>>> So all good really ;) .  Arthur, please stick around on Excel - L, you
>>> will fit right in and your skills, experience and contributions will be
>>> appreciated.  Besides, I usually find you highly entertaining as well as
>>> educational - and not just with VBA stuff either.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Darryl.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________**__________
>>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>[
>>> accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>>> on behalf of William Benson (VBACreations.Com) [vbacreations at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2013 9:04 PM
>>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>>>
>>> Art, you take one thread (or a couple) and then kick an entire Listserv
>>> to
>>> the curb? You ought to be ashamed   ;-)
>>>
>>> Plus you just insulted both me and Darryl...
>>>
>>> Meanie.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>>> On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:11 AM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>>>
>>> For some reason I ended up joining a list about Excel
>>> EXCEL-L at peach.ease.lsoft.com),  mistaking it for one our our lists. Wow
>>> was
>>> I wrong/ These people need more than a lifetime of help. Unfortunately,
>>> as I
>>> age, I don't have that much time.. .
>>>
>>> To be fair, it's a user's group not a developer's group, and it does shed
>>> some light on the differenence.
>>>
>>> The scary part is that some of these people fancy themselves as "Quants",
>>> short for Quantitative Analysts, which means that they are risking the
>>> hard-earned money that others have made and invested in this or that
>>> fund.
>>> And I am aware of many of their algorithms, having once worked for a
>>> Bermudian hedge fund, which at least had the sense to use SQL Server
>>> rather
>>> then Excel.
>>>
>>> This seriously frightens me. These Excel listers, save on or two, don't
>>> even
>>> know that there is a difference between a Range and an Array.
>>>
>>> The prospect that these people are playing with millions of dollars of
>>> money
>>> belonging to other people is truly frightening. The up-side is that I
>>> have
>>> invested zero dollars in the opinions of these fools; the down-side is
>>> that
>>> many several millions have, and I fear for their prospects.
>>>
>>> I guess what I am saying is this: if you want to realize what a valuable
>>> group this one is, just go visit that one for a minute or two. To think
>>> that
>>> these people are waging millions of other people's dollars on their
>>> "feelings" is ghastly.
>>>
>>> Hold onto your wallet; trust no one, especially if they come bearing a
>>> spreadsheet.Yes, there are tools available to audit spreadsheets, and I
>>> trust them. But in their absence. do not trust anyone. These people are
>>> jokers, fools or scammers. Take your pick.
>>>
>>> I do not fancy myself as an Excel guru. But once I learned the model, I
>>> had
>>> no problem doing some fancy footwork in Excel. Bur rhis goes to way that
>>> there is a difference between a programmer and a user. The frightening
>>> part
>>> is that users equipped with Excel are making decisions involving
>>> millions of
>>> other people's dollars.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Arthur
>>> Cell: 647.710.1314
>>>
>>> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>>>     -- Niels Bohr
>>> --
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From hkotsch at arcor.de  Sat Mar  2 08:08:11 2013
From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 15:08:11 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
In-Reply-To: <5131FD40.8030401@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBAEEOKAAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>

I think that VisiCalc was the first Spreadsheet for the PC. It was also
shipped with the first IBM PC's and one of the reasons that IBM put the IBM
PC on the market.

Helmut

-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von John W Colby
Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Marz 2013 14:23
An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Betreff: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this


 >That said, Excel still holds the honour of the killer PC application that
got the whole show out
of the IT department and into the hands of everyday users. It really did
give power to the people
and I will always love it for that.

And here I thought Lotus 123 did that.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 3/1/2013 8:42 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
> Yep, with you 100% on that one John (or 110% as some Excel users I know
would say ;) ).
>
> Personally I still think of these tools as I first did back in the early
days of MS Office.  The database is for storing the data and shrinking down
the vast raw data into the bits you require to look at via views / queries /
whatever.
>
> Excel is for doing the analysis, Pivots, charting, number mashing and
playing with scenarios.
>
> Word is for doing the final presentation (or maybe (god forbid),
Powerpoint).
>
> Too many folks try to do it all in one application.
> I have seen spreadsheet attempted in word tables.
> Databases in Excel is real common.
> the list goes on...
>
> That said, Excel still holds the honour of the killer PC application that
got the whole show out of the IT department and into the hands of everyday
users.  It really did give power to the people and I will always love it for
that.
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] on behalf of John W Colby
[jwcolby at gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, 2 March 2013 2:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>
>> us meek Excel hacks will be still be making money and in demand long
after MS Access is retired from general use and Access devs are extinct.
> LOL, ain't that the truth.  I still prefer databases though.  Each has its
place, it's just that
> Excel so often ends up being turned into a database which it doesn't Excel
at (pun intended)
>
>
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 2/28/2013 8:48 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>> hehehehe, It is ok Bill, as an amatuer hack I am used to be insulted ;)
And whilst that maybe indeed the case we are mere dabblers in the dark arts
of VBA - us meek Excel hacks will be still be making money and in demand
long after MS Access is retired from general use and Access devs are
extinct.
>>
>> So all good really ;) .  Arthur, please stick around on Excel - L, you
will fit right in and your skills, experience and contributions will be
appreciated.  Besides, I usually find you highly entertaining as well as
educational - and not just with VBA stuff either.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Darryl.
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] on behalf of William Benson
(VBACreations.Com) [vbacreations at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2013 9:04 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>>
>> Art, you take one thread (or a couple) and then kick an entire Listserv
to
>> the curb? You ought to be ashamed   ;-)
>>
>> Plus you just insulted both me and Darryl...
>>
>> Meanie.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:11 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>>
>> For some reason I ended up joining a list about Excel
>> EXCEL-L at peach.ease.lsoft.com),  mistaking it for one our our lists. Wow
was
>> I wrong/ These people need more than a lifetime of help. Unfortunately,
as I
>> age, I don't have that much time.. .
>>
>> To be fair, it's a user's group not a developer's group, and it does shed
>> some light on the differenence.
>>
>> The scary part is that some of these people fancy themselves as "Quants",
>> short for Quantitative Analysts, which means that they are risking the
>> hard-earned money that others have made and invested in this or that
fund.
>> And I am aware of many of their algorithms, having once worked for a
>> Bermudian hedge fund, which at least had the sense to use SQL Server
rather
>> then Excel.
>>
>> This seriously frightens me. These Excel listers, save on or two, don't
even
>> know that there is a difference between a Range and an Array.
>>
>> The prospect that these people are playing with millions of dollars of
money
>> belonging to other people is truly frightening. The up-side is that I
have
>> invested zero dollars in the opinions of these fools; the down-side is
that
>> many several millions have, and I fear for their prospects.
>>
>> I guess what I am saying is this: if you want to realize what a valuable
>> group this one is, just go visit that one for a minute or two. To think
that
>> these people are waging millions of other people's dollars on their
>> "feelings" is ghastly.
>>
>> Hold onto your wallet; trust no one, especially if they come bearing a
>> spreadsheet.Yes, there are tools available to audit spreadsheets, and I
>> trust them. But in their absence. do not trust anyone. These people are
>> jokers, fools or scammers. Take your pick.
>>
>> I do not fancy myself as an Excel guru. But once I learned the model, I
had
>> no problem doing some fancy footwork in Excel. Bur rhis goes to way that
>> there is a difference between a programmer and a user. The frightening
part
>> is that users equipped with Excel are making decisions involving millions
of
>> other people's dollars.
>>
>> --
>> Arthur
>> Cell: 647.710.1314
>>
>> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>>     -- Niels Bohr
>> --
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>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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>>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Mar  2 08:01:28 2013
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2013 15:01:28 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
Message-ID: <s132146d.053@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Right, and before that it was Visicalc which was the first application that, to me on the PET computer, showed real business power other than text processing.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at gmail.com 02-03-13 14:23 >>>
 >That said, Excel still holds the honour of the killer PC application that got the whole show out 
of the IT department and into the hands of everyday users. It really did give power to the people 
and I will always love it for that.

And here I thought Lotus 123 did that.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 3/1/2013 8:42 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
> Yep, with you 100% on that one John (or 110% as some Excel users I know would say ;) ).
>
> Personally I still think of these tools as I first did back in the early days of MS Office.  The database is for storing the data and shrinking down the vast raw data into the bits you require to look at via views / queries / whatever.
>
> Excel is for doing the analysis, Pivots, charting, number mashing and playing with scenarios.
>
> Word is for doing the final presentation (or maybe (god forbid), Powerpoint).
>
> Too many folks try to do it all in one application.
> I have seen spreadsheet attempted in word tables.
> Databases in Excel is real common.
> the list goes on...
>
> That said, Excel still holds the honour of the killer PC application that got the whole show out of the IT department and into the hands of everyday users.  It really did give power to the people and I will always love it for that.


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Mar  2 08:42:11 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 06:42:11 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Back to 8
In-Reply-To: <s1321504.054@cactus.dk>
References: <s1321504.054@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1F294C1D7DCC4499802C487331A12088@HAL9007>

He said (as accurately as I can remember) that I cannot access my client's
server because they are using Small Business Server 2003 and, while that is
compatible with all IEs up to 9, it will not work with 10 unless he does a
bunch of work.  Exactly what that work is, I don't know - 'reconfiguring'
doesn't really explain the problem or solution. But he claims it will take
between 4 and 10 hours of his time to make it work with IE10.

The alternative , he claims, is an upgrade to SBS 2011, but that solution
would mean paying MS $3300 and then a bunch of his time.  Another
application required an upgrade to the client's SBS, so they decided because
of the cost not to upgrade.

Re: kid - this is his third year in H.S. doing Robotics.  He and his buddy
do all the software.  As Freshmen they won here and we got to go to St.
Louis for the championships (was attended by 30,000 competitors, mentors,
hangers-on like us, from all over the world).  They ended up in second
place. Last year they made it to St. Louis but didn't do well.  All the
parents have mixed feeling about their winning again this year.  We want
them to win.  We don't want to spend 4 days in St. Louis. :)

This is the organization http://www.usfirst.org/.  It was started by Dean
Kaman (Segway guy).

He and a couple of his buds are involved in both the FTC
(http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprograms/ftc)
and FRC (http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprograms/frc) programs.  

They have a different game each year.  This year FTC involves hanging rings
on a peg board.  Sounds easy.  It ain't. :)  FRC's game is throwing frisbees
through a target. So they have to devise a frisbee launcher that's quite
accurate.

Here's the FTC game (starts around minute 3)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXcldN6G-H8
The FRC game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itHNW2OFr4Y

You'll see links there to some actual scrimmages. 
  
In addition to the mechanical engineering problems they have to solve, he's
had to develop software for target acquisition, IR sensor processing, and a
host of other functions.  Using combination of Java, C++, and Robot-C.

Chip off the old block, you might say.

What's really cool is that when they need a particular custom part, instead
of jury rigging it or fabricating it, they model it in Solidworks and send
it to a 3-d printing service which returns the parts in a few days.  For
them that's just S.O.P. now. 

So it's taking a lot of time this year.  Fortunately he's got a fairly light
schedule - AP Calc, AP Physics, AP Computer Science (no work there for him),
and his internship which counts as a course.

But I digress...

R


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 6:04 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8

Hi Rocky

So your "kid" is a robot??

Let's hear the plain words from the notwork guy. He may have a point, and
then we would like to learn, but I doubt it.

/gustav

>>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 02-03-13 14:48 >>>
I suspect you're right, Gustav.  But I'm not a network guy so it's hard for
me even to know what questions to ask.  Anyway - that's his story and he's
sticking to it.

I'm off to Monrovia today to the regional robotics competition (my kid - not
me) and one of the parents is a network DBA guy.  I'll have a gabble with
him - we'll have all day up there. Let you know what I find out.

R

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 4:35 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8

Hi Rocky

No that doesn't sound right. I've never heard of this and cannot Google a
single hit mentioning such "incompatibility". Could you get a reference from
him?

There may, of course, be other reason for an upgrade but this seems faint.

/gustav

>>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 02-03-13 0:00 >>>
OK - notwork guy says they're using small business server 2003. Making it
compatible with IE10 would take 4-10 hours. The upgrade to Server 2011,
which would work with IE10 would cost $3300 plus his time.

Sound right?

R

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From steve at goodhall.info  Sat Mar  2 08:58:10 2013
From: steve at goodhall.info (Steve Goodhall)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 09:58:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
In-Reply-To: <s132146d.053@cactus.dk>
References: <s132146d.053@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <6e4263dd-f3ad-4e42-8ce0-1ae768b8451b@blur>

I still have VisiCalc 1.0 diskettes for IBM PC. In my computer graveyard. 

Steve Goodhall

-----Original message-----
From: Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Sat, Mar 2, 2013 14:37:34 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this

Hi John

Right, and before that it was Visicalc which was the first application that,  
to me on the PET computer, showed real business power other than text  
processing.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at gmail.com 02-03-13 14:23 >>>
 >That said, Excel still holds the honour of the killer PC application that  
got the whole show out 
of the IT department and into the hands of everyday users. It really did  
give power to the people 
and I will always love it for that.

And here I thought Lotus 123 did that.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 3/1/2013 8:42 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
> Yep, with you 100% on that one John (or 110% as some Excel users I know  
would say ;) ).
>
> Personally I still think of these tools as I first did back in the early  
days of MS Office.  The database is for storing the data and shrinking down  
the vast raw data into the bits you require to look at via views / queries /  
whatever.
>
> Excel is for doing the analysis, Pivots, charting, number mashing and  
playing with scenarios.
>
> Word is for doing the final presentation (or maybe (god forbid),  
Powerpoint).
>
> Too many folks try to do it all in one application.
> I have seen spreadsheet attempted in word tables.
> Databases in Excel is real common.
> the list goes on...
>
> That said, Excel still holds the honour of the killer PC application that  
got the whole show out of the IT department and into the hands of everyday  
users.  It really did give power to the people and I will always love it for  
that.

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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Mar  2 08:42:08 2013
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2013 09:42:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
In-Reply-To: <5131FD40.8030401@gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1j29SprAhAhb3QOz1Yc=YoWdjdyyv_1HkE936Z7mWmacQ@mail.gmail.com>,
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAJC7pyoHq6BMh61i+gvurovCgAAAEAAAAPCbozGeBxpGo5w20AfBhnsBAAAAAA==@gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B53441CE91@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>,
	<5130CEB3.30702@gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5436D1157@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<5131FD40.8030401@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51320FC0.7060907@torchlake.com>

Lotus 1-2-3 was definitely the premier performer in the DOS world.  I 
think that Lotus failed to recognize the importance of the graphical 
user interface, and sat on its laurels, so to speak, while Microsoft 
developed Excel.  For a few years, I continued to support Lotus 1-2-3 as 
it moved s-l-o-w-l-y into the GUI world of Windows.  But, Excel 
definitely overtook 1-2-3 in terms of ease of use and widespread 
popularity. I haven't seen anyone actively using either Lotus 1-2-3 or 
Borland's Quattro Pro in years.

Of course, all the nifty Lotus 1-2-3 keystroke shortcuts pretty well 
migrated over into the Microsoft products, too - F6 still switches 
windows, F2 still does the edit trick, F4 still toggles between absolute 
and relative reference, and F9 recalculates everything, and so on and so 
forth.  Thank you, Lotus, for all the primary research and development.  :-)

T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 3/2/2013 8:23 AM, John W Colby wrote:
> >That said, Excel still holds the honour of the killer PC application 
> that got the whole show out of the IT department and into the hands of 
> everyday users. It really did give power to the people and I will 
> always love it for that.
>
> And here I thought Lotus 123 did that.
>
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
>
> On 3/1/2013 8:42 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>> Yep, with you 100% on that one John (or 110% as some Excel users I 
>> know would say ;) ).
>>
>> Personally I still think of these tools as I first did back in the 
>> early days of MS Office.  The database is for storing the data and 
>> shrinking down the vast raw data into the bits you require to look at 
>> via views / queries / whatever.
>>
>> Excel is for doing the analysis, Pivots, charting, number mashing and 
>> playing with scenarios.
>>
>> Word is for doing the final presentation (or maybe (god forbid), 
>> Powerpoint).
>>
>> Too many folks try to do it all in one application.
>> I have seen spreadsheet attempted in word tables.
>> Databases in Excel is real common.
>> the list goes on...
>>
>> That said, Excel still holds the honour of the killer PC application 
>> that got the whole show out of the IT department and into the hands 
>> of everyday users.  It really did give power to the people and I will 
>> always love it for that.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
>> [accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] on behalf of John W Colby 
>> [jwcolby at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, 2 March 2013 2:52 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>>
>>> us meek Excel hacks will be still be making money and in demand long 
>>> after MS Access is retired from general use and Access devs are 
>>> extinct.
>> LOL, ain't that the truth.  I still prefer databases though. Each has 
>> its place, it's just that
>> Excel so often ends up being turned into a database which it doesn't 
>> Excel at (pun intended)
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> On 2/28/2013 8:48 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>>> hehehehe, It is ok Bill, as an amatuer hack I am used to be insulted 
>>> ;)  And whilst that maybe indeed the case we are mere dabblers in 
>>> the dark arts of VBA - us meek Excel hacks will be still be making 
>>> money and in demand long after MS Access is retired from general use 
>>> and Access devs are extinct.
>>>
>>> So all good really ;) .  Arthur, please stick around on Excel - L, 
>>> you will fit right in and your skills, experience and contributions 
>>> will be appreciated.  Besides, I usually find you highly 
>>> entertaining as well as educational - and not just with VBA stuff 
>>> either.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Darryl.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
>>> [accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] on behalf of William Benson 
>>> (VBACreations.Com) [vbacreations at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2013 9:04 PM
>>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>>>
>>> Art, you take one thread (or a couple) and then kick an entire 
>>> Listserv to
>>> the curb? You ought to be ashamed   ;-)
>>>
>>> Plus you just insulted both me and Darryl...
>>>
>>> Meanie.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur 
>>> Fuller
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:11 AM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>>>
>>> For some reason I ended up joining a list about Excel
>>> EXCEL-L at peach.ease.lsoft.com),  mistaking it for one our our lists. 
>>> Wow was
>>> I wrong/ These people need more than a lifetime of help. 
>>> Unfortunately, as I
>>> age, I don't have that much time.. .
>>>
>>> To be fair, it's a user's group not a developer's group, and it does 
>>> shed
>>> some light on the differenence.
>>>
>>> The scary part is that some of these people fancy themselves as 
>>> "Quants",
>>> short for Quantitative Analysts, which means that they are risking the
>>> hard-earned money that others have made and invested in this or that 
>>> fund.
>>> And I am aware of many of their algorithms, having once worked for a
>>> Bermudian hedge fund, which at least had the sense to use SQL Server 
>>> rather
>>> then Excel.
>>>
>>> This seriously frightens me. These Excel listers, save on or two, 
>>> don't even
>>> know that there is a difference between a Range and an Array.
>>>
>>> The prospect that these people are playing with millions of dollars 
>>> of money
>>> belonging to other people is truly frightening. The up-side is that 
>>> I have
>>> invested zero dollars in the opinions of these fools; the down-side 
>>> is that
>>> many several millions have, and I fear for their prospects.
>>>
>>> I guess what I am saying is this: if you want to realize what a 
>>> valuable
>>> group this one is, just go visit that one for a minute or two. To 
>>> think that
>>> these people are waging millions of other people's dollars on their
>>> "feelings" is ghastly.
>>>
>>> Hold onto your wallet; trust no one, especially if they come bearing a
>>> spreadsheet.Yes, there are tools available to audit spreadsheets, and I
>>> trust them. But in their absence. do not trust anyone. These people are
>>> jokers, fools or scammers. Take your pick.
>>>
>>> I do not fancy myself as an Excel guru. But once I learned the 
>>> model, I had
>>> no problem doing some fancy footwork in Excel. Bur rhis goes to way 
>>> that
>>> there is a difference between a programmer and a user. The 
>>> frightening part
>>> is that users equipped with Excel are making decisions involving 
>>> millions of
>>> other people's dollars.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Arthur
>>> Cell: 647.710.1314
>>>
>>> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>>>     -- Niels Bohr
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Mar  2 09:26:46 2013
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2013 16:26:46 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
Message-ID: <s132285f.056@cactus.dk>

Hi Steve

It's even for download, of ultra-tiny size, only about 20K(!):

http://www.bricklin.com/history/vcexecutable.htm

/gustav

>>> steve at goodhall.info 02-03-13 15:58 >>>
I still have VisiCalc 1.0 diskettes for IBM PC. In my computer graveyard. 

Steve Goodhall

-----Original message-----
From: Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Sat, Mar 2, 2013 14:37:34 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this

Hi John

Right, and before that it was Visicalc which was the first application that,  
to me on the PET computer, showed real business power other than text  
processing.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at gmail.com 02-03-13 14:23 >>>
 >That said, Excel still holds the honour of the killer PC application that  got the whole show out 
of the IT department and into the hands of everyday users. It really did  give power to the people 
and I will always love it for that.

And here I thought Lotus 123 did that.

John W. Colby


From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Sat Mar  2 09:24:47 2013
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 09:24:47 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this - Visicalc - The "Real"
	Story
References: <s132146d.053@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3CE@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

All,

Back in the 1980s and 1990s I attended a number of IBM DB2 User Conferences.

At each conference they would have a few "non technical" presentations.

I remember one such presentation where the speaker talked about the history of software.  Here is what I recall regarding Visicalc.

Two college roommates (might have been at MIT, I can't remember for sure) liked to go out drinking beer and chasing girls.  One was an accounting major and the other CS (or whatever they called CS back then).

During one semester, the guy with the accounting major had many assignments that required many spreadsheets (done with paper and pencil back then).  This took a very long time and was very frustrating work.  But even worse, he was not able to go out drinking and chasing girls very often.

His roommate (the computer guy) said that he would write a "Visual Calculator" for his friend in order to free up some of his time.  This "Visual Calculator" evolved into VisiCalc. Which gave birth to the whole realm of computer-based spreadsheets such as Excel. 

I am not sure if this is a true story or not, but it is surely worth repeating  :-)

Probably there are many innovative ideas that were tied to beer drinking and/or carnal desires in some fashion.

Brad  


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Gustav Brock
Sent: Sat 3/2/2013 8:01 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
 
Hi John

Right, and before that it was Visicalc which was the first application that, to me on the PET computer, showed real business power other than text processing.

/gustav



From garykjos at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 09:46:36 2013
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 09:46:36 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Censoring
In-Reply-To: <s13215b8.055@cactus.dk>
References: <s13215b8.055@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pL7ikV7+q_TmqMD5J2K5CpyTTUzam8h1_+8zEFdotMQzg@mail.gmail.com>

Yes. We be moderating. Play nice everybody.

Gary Kjos
Access D Moderator Team

On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 8:07 AM, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Wow! What could that be on a quiet Saturday?
>
> <quote>
> Your mail to 'AccessD' with the subject
>
>     Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>
> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
>
> The reason it is being held:
>
>     The message headers matched a filter rule
> </quote>
>
> /gustav
>
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Sat Mar  2 09:55:18 2013
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 09:55:18 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] How to Hide Existing Text Boxes and Labels on an Access
	Report
References: <s13215b8.055@cactus.dk>
	<CAJ2R_pL7ikV7+q_TmqMD5J2K5CpyTTUzam8h1_+8zEFdotMQzg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3CF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

All,

I have a complicated one-page report that has many Text Boxes and Labels.

Recently a need has surfaced, where I need to temporarily ?hide? a section of this report (about 40 text boxes and labels).

The need to hide these controls may occur once or twice a month.

Instead of making the 40 controls ?invisible?, I was hoping to simply add a new Label to cover up the existing 40 controls.  Also, the new label would have text to explain why the 40 controls are not being shown.

Is there a way to do this?  I have reviewed the ?Property Sheet? for the new label but I can?t see how to make this happen.

Thanks,
Brad  

From dbdoug at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 10:09:15 2013
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 08:09:15 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] How to Hide Existing Text Boxes and Labels on an
	Access Report
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3CF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <s13215b8.055@cactus.dk>
	<CAJ2R_pL7ikV7+q_TmqMD5J2K5CpyTTUzam8h1_+8zEFdotMQzg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3CF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <CAFa8Nkgr0igrnOwcA1Aks6T_Kor29H05K=S+w0=u0zomm-m6sg@mail.gmail.com>

I do this; just make the label big enough, put your text in the caption,
then bring the label to the front.  Make it visible or not as needed in the
report code.

Doug


On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com> wrote:

> All,
>
> I have a complicated one-page report that has many Text Boxes and Labels.
>
> Recently a need has surfaced, where I need to temporarily ?hide? a section
> of this report (about 40 text boxes and labels).
>
> The need to hide these controls may occur once or twice a month.
>
> Instead of making the 40 controls ?invisible?, I was hoping to simply add
> a new Label to cover up the existing 40 controls.  Also, the new label
> would have text to explain why the 40 controls are not being shown.
>
> Is there a way to do this?  I have reviewed the ?Property Sheet? for the
> new label but I can?t see how to make this happen.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Mar  2 10:09:41 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 08:09:41 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] How to Hide Existing Text Boxes and Labels on an
	AccessReport
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3CF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <s13215b8.055@cactus.dk><CAJ2R_pL7ikV7+q_TmqMD5J2K5CpyTTUzam8h1_+8zEFdotMQzg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3CF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <27B91031383D4AEF845DC7D964481427@HAL9007>

Should be no problem.  Make the label property invisible on design and set
it to visible when your condition is true. I'd put the condition test in the
Open event of the report.  Back style solid of course.  And place it in
front of the controls to hide. 

But I'll bet there's more to it than that?

R


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 7:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] How to Hide Existing Text Boxes and Labels on an
AccessReport

All,

I have a complicated one-page report that has many Text Boxes and Labels.

Recently a need has surfaced, where I need to temporarily "hide" a section
of this report (about 40 text boxes and labels).

The need to hide these controls may occur once or twice a month.

Instead of making the 40 controls "invisible", I was hoping to simply add a
new Label to cover up the existing 40 controls.  Also, the new label would
have text to explain why the 40 controls are not being shown.

Is there a way to do this?  I have reviewed the "Property Sheet" for the new
label but I can't see how to make this happen.

Thanks,
Brad  


From jbodin at sbor.com  Sat Mar  2 10:11:09 2013
From: jbodin at sbor.com (John Bodin)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 16:11:09 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] How to Hide Existing Text Boxes and Labels on an
 Access	Report
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3CF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <s13215b8.055@cactus.dk>
	<CAJ2R_pL7ikV7+q_TmqMD5J2K5CpyTTUzam8h1_+8zEFdotMQzg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3CF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <2426da226cf9458ebeb5eb2482460729@BLUPR04MB040.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Brad, 

You s/b able to create your label with the text you want to show, set the Back Style to 'normal' and then after you move it to the position to cover up the 40 text boxes/labels, make sure you choose to Format/Bring to Front.  Then just hide/show that label depending on how the report is chosen to run by the user.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] How to Hide Existing Text Boxes and Labels on an Access Report

All,

I have a complicated one-page report that has many Text Boxes and Labels.

Recently a need has surfaced, where I need to temporarily "hide" a section of this report (about 40 text boxes and labels).

The need to hide these controls may occur once or twice a month.

Instead of making the 40 controls "invisible", I was hoping to simply add a new Label to cover up the existing 40 controls.  Also, the new label would have text to explain why the 40 controls are not being shown.

Is there a way to do this?  I have reviewed the "Property Sheet" for the new label but I can't see how to make this happen.

Thanks,
Brad  


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 10:12:42 2013
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 08:12:42 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] How to Hide Existing Text Boxes and Labels on an
	Access Report
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3CF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <s13215b8.055@cactus.dk>
	<CAJ2R_pL7ikV7+q_TmqMD5J2K5CpyTTUzam8h1_+8zEFdotMQzg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3CF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9ZbWop7UeuiHm6RStOHoyYjG4hqEkbi5JvXUmOY1hTFA@mail.gmail.com>

If you put the controls into a group, you can just hide the group section.
 Grouping is available on an arbitrary value or you could group on whatever
the key is and then divvy the rest of the controls up into the group header
and footer.

Charlotte

On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com> wrote:

> All,
>
> I have a complicated one-page report that has many Text Boxes and Labels.
>
> Recently a need has surfaced, where I need to temporarily ?hide? a section
> of this report (about 40 text boxes and labels).
>
> The need to hide these controls may occur once or twice a month.
>
> Instead of making the 40 controls ?invisible?, I was hoping to simply add
> a new Label to cover up the existing 40 controls.  Also, the new label
> would have text to explain why the 40 controls are not being shown.
>
> Is there a way to do this?  I have reviewed the ?Property Sheet? for the
> new label but I can?t see how to make this happen.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>

From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Mar  2 10:13:56 2013
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2013 17:13:56 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Censoring
Message-ID: <s1323367.057@cactus.dk>

Hi Gary

Hmm ... haven't done anything to not play nice - indeed not in the message headers.

/gustav

>>> garykjos at gmail.com 02-03-13 16:46 >>>
Yes. We be moderating. Play nice everybody.

Gary Kjos
Access D Moderator Team

On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 8:07 AM, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Wow! What could that be on a quiet Saturday?
>
> <quote>
> Your mail to 'AccessD' with the subject
>
>     Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>
> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
>
> The reason it is being held:
>
>     The message headers matched a filter rule
> </quote>
>
> /gustav


From garykjos at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 10:36:53 2013
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 10:36:53 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Censoring
In-Reply-To: <s1323367.057@cactus.dk>
References: <s1323367.057@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pKSfxd3Pfz9KA9Rx-mLHDrFwugZVQGgsydnXdyQ83RqiA@mail.gmail.com>

You were not singled out at all Gustav I assure you.

I approved your message and sent to the list. Carry on and have a nice day.

GK

On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Hi Gary
>
> Hmm ... haven't done anything to not play nice - indeed not in the message headers.
>
> /gustav
>
>>>> garykjos at gmail.com 02-03-13 16:46 >>>
> Yes. We be moderating. Play nice everybody.
>
> Gary Kjos
> Access D Moderator Team
>
> On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 8:07 AM, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>> Wow! What could that be on a quiet Saturday?
>>
>> <quote>
>> Your mail to 'AccessD' with the subject
>>
>>     Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>>
>> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
>>
>> The reason it is being held:
>>
>>     The message headers matched a filter rule
>> </quote>
>>
>> /gustav
>
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 10:38:13 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 11:38:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
In-Reply-To: <s132285f.056@cactus.dk>
References: <s132285f.056@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1grCHcuPMEvndHoFOAj4G-Rx5fzV9BngWwOWQ6u_PiqJg@mail.gmail.com>

You're both right and also wrong. Visical was the first player in the game.
Lotus was second, and kicked Visicalc's ass. But neither of these compares
to dBASE-II, and the absolutely brilliant ad created by Hal Pollock, about
the bilge pump. Wayne was a genius, he wrote the whole thing in assembly
and it ran comfortably in 64k. It was originally called Vulcan but somebody
threatened him with a lawsuit, and Hal came to the table with a new name,
dBASE-II. As it happens, I was the first journalist to land interviews with
both of these folks. And yes, Visicalc made a huge impact, but dBASE-II
made a larger one.

Incidentally, for those into nomenclature, I asked Hal why it was called
dBASE-II and he said, and although that interview was about 30 years ago, I
think that I can quote him accurately, "Because dBASE One would have
sounded like a virgin product."

Arthur


From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Sat Mar  2 10:52:28 2013
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 10:52:28 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] How to Hide Existing Text Boxes and Labels on an
	Access	Report
References: <s13215b8.055@cactus.dk><CAJ2R_pL7ikV7+q_TmqMD5J2K5CpyTTUzam8h1_+8zEFdotMQzg@mail.gmail.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3CF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<2426da226cf9458ebeb5eb2482460729@BLUPR04MB040.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3D0@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

All,

You folks are GREAT, even on the weekend!

I was trying to find the "Bring to Front" in the Property Sheet for the new Label.

I then found it via "Right Click / Position / "Bring to Front"

I had not used this before.  I try to learn one new thing every day and I have accomplished this goal before noon today.

Thanks for your assistance.  I appreciate it.

Brad

PS.  I use Access 2007 which may be different than other Access versions in how this is done... not sure.   


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of John Bodin
Sent: Sat 3/2/2013 10:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Hide Existing Text Boxes and Labels on an Access	Report
 
Hi Brad, 

You s/b able to create your label with the text you want to show, set the Back Style to 'normal' and then after you move it to the position to cover up the 40 text boxes/labels, make sure you choose to Format/Bring to Front.  Then just hide/show that label depending on how the report is chosen to run by the user.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] How to Hide Existing Text Boxes and Labels on an Access Report

All,

I have a complicated one-page report that has many Text Boxes and Labels.

Recently a need has surfaced, where I need to temporarily "hide" a section of this report (about 40 text boxes and labels).

The need to hide these controls may occur once or twice a month.

Instead of making the 40 controls "invisible", I was hoping to simply add a new Label to cover up the existing 40 controls.  Also, the new label would have text to explain why the 40 controls are not being shown.

Is there a way to do this?  I have reviewed the "Property Sheet" for the new label but I can't see how to make this happen.

Thanks,
Brad  

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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Mar  2 11:26:23 2013
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2013 12:26:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fwd: Your message to AccessD awaits moderator approval
In-Reply-To: <mailman.535.1362235262.618.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.535.1362235262.618.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5132363F.6060604@torchlake.com>

Okay, why?
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Your message to AccessD awaits moderator approval
Date: 	Sat, 02 Mar 2013 08:41:02 -0600
From: 	accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
To: 	tinanfields at torchlake.com



Your mail to 'AccessD' with the subject

     Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this

Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.

The reason it is being held:

     The message headers matched a filter rule

Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
notification of the moderator's decision.  If you would like to cancel
this posting, please visit the following URL:

     http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/confirm/accessd/00d1a8ede3ea04238e3b22966e578b07972923da





From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Mar  2 11:31:52 2013
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2013 12:31:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this - Visicalc - The "Real"
 Story
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3CE@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <s132146d.053@cactus.dk>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3CE@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <51323788.9030004@torchlake.com>

I love it, and I hope it is true!
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 3/2/2013 10:24 AM, Brad Marks wrote:
> All,
>
> Back in the 1980s and 1990s I attended a number of IBM DB2 User Conferences.
>
> At each conference they would have a few "non technical" presentations.
>
> I remember one such presentation where the speaker talked about the history of software.  Here is what I recall regarding Visicalc.
>
> Two college roommates (might have been at MIT, I can't remember for sure) liked to go out drinking beer and chasing girls.  One was an accounting major and the other CS (or whatever they called CS back then).
>
> During one semester, the guy with the accounting major had many assignments that required many spreadsheets (done with paper and pencil back then).  This took a very long time and was very frustrating work.  But even worse, he was not able to go out drinking and chasing girls very often.
>
> His roommate (the computer guy) said that he would write a "Visual Calculator" for his friend in order to free up some of his time.  This "Visual Calculator" evolved into VisiCalc. Which gave birth to the whole realm of computer-based spreadsheets such as Excel.
>
> I am not sure if this is a true story or not, but it is surely worth repeating  :-)
>
> Probably there are many innovative ideas that were tied to beer drinking and/or carnal desires in some fashion.
>
> Brad
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Sat 3/2/2013 8:01 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>   
> Hi John
>
> Right, and before that it was Visicalc which was the first application that, to me on the PET computer, showed real business power other than text processing.
>
> /gustav
>
>
>
>


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Mar  2 11:35:17 2013
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2013 12:35:17 -0500
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Oh my, yes!  How could we have overlooked Visicalc?  We had that on the 
Honeywell word-porcessing stations that we installed in 1982-ish (1982, 
3, or 4).  I thought that was the best thing ever.  Saw Lotus 1-2-3 for 
the first time, when?  About 1985 or 6 I think.
T

Tina Norris Fields
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231-322-2787

On 3/2/2013 8:46 AM, jack drawbridge wrote:
> Come on John, you remember Visicalc.....
>
> On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 8:23 AM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> That said, Excel still holds the honour of the killer PC application that
>> got the whole show out of the IT department and into the hands of everyday
>> users. It really did give power to the people and I will always love it for
>> that.
>>
>> And here I thought Lotus 123 did that.
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>>
>> On 3/1/2013 8:42 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>>
>>> Yep, with you 100% on that one John (or 110% as some Excel users I know
>>> would say ;) ).
>>>
>>> Personally I still think of these tools as I first did back in the early
>>> days of MS Office.  The database is for storing the data and shrinking down
>>> the vast raw data into the bits you require to look at via views / queries
>>> / whatever.
>>>
>>> Excel is for doing the analysis, Pivots, charting, number mashing and
>>> playing with scenarios.
>>>
>>> Word is for doing the final presentation (or maybe (god forbid),
>>> Powerpoint).
>>>
>>> Too many folks try to do it all in one application.
>>> I have seen spreadsheet attempted in word tables.
>>> Databases in Excel is real common.
>>> the list goes on...
>>>
>>> That said, Excel still holds the honour of the killer PC application that
>>> got the whole show out of the IT department and into the hands of everyday
>>> users.  It really did give power to the people and I will always love it
>>> for that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________**__________
>>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>[
>>> accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>>> on behalf of John W Colby [jwcolby at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Saturday, 2 March 2013 2:52 AM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>>>
>>>   us meek Excel hacks will be still be making money and in demand long
>>>> after MS Access is retired from general use and Access devs are extinct.
>>>>
>>> LOL, ain't that the truth.  I still prefer databases though.  Each has
>>> its place, it's just that
>>> Excel so often ends up being turned into a database which it doesn't
>>> Excel at (pun intended)
>>>
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>>
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>
>>> On 2/28/2013 8:48 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>>>
>>>> hehehehe, It is ok Bill, as an amatuer hack I am used to be insulted ;)
>>>>   And whilst that maybe indeed the case we are mere dabblers in the dark
>>>> arts of VBA - us meek Excel hacks will be still be making money and in
>>>> demand long after MS Access is retired from general use and Access devs are
>>>> extinct.
>>>>
>>>> So all good really ;) .  Arthur, please stick around on Excel - L, you
>>>> will fit right in and your skills, experience and contributions will be
>>>> appreciated.  Besides, I usually find you highly entertaining as well as
>>>> educational - and not just with VBA stuff either.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Darryl.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ______________________________**__________
>>>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>[
>>>> accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>>>> on behalf of William Benson (VBACreations.Com) [vbacreations at gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2013 9:04 PM
>>>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>>>>
>>>> Art, you take one thread (or a couple) and then kick an entire Listserv
>>>> to
>>>> the curb? You ought to be ashamed   ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Plus you just insulted both me and Darryl...
>>>>
>>>> Meanie.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>>>> On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:11 AM
>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>> Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>>>>
>>>> For some reason I ended up joining a list about Excel
>>>> EXCEL-L at peach.ease.lsoft.com),  mistaking it for one our our lists. Wow
>>>> was
>>>> I wrong/ These people need more than a lifetime of help. Unfortunately,
>>>> as I
>>>> age, I don't have that much time.. .
>>>>
>>>> To be fair, it's a user's group not a developer's group, and it does shed
>>>> some light on the differenence.
>>>>
>>>> The scary part is that some of these people fancy themselves as "Quants",
>>>> short for Quantitative Analysts, which means that they are risking the
>>>> hard-earned money that others have made and invested in this or that
>>>> fund.
>>>> And I am aware of many of their algorithms, having once worked for a
>>>> Bermudian hedge fund, which at least had the sense to use SQL Server
>>>> rather
>>>> then Excel.
>>>>
>>>> This seriously frightens me. These Excel listers, save on or two, don't
>>>> even
>>>> know that there is a difference between a Range and an Array.
>>>>
>>>> The prospect that these people are playing with millions of dollars of
>>>> money
>>>> belonging to other people is truly frightening. The up-side is that I
>>>> have
>>>> invested zero dollars in the opinions of these fools; the down-side is
>>>> that
>>>> many several millions have, and I fear for their prospects.
>>>>
>>>> I guess what I am saying is this: if you want to realize what a valuable
>>>> group this one is, just go visit that one for a minute or two. To think
>>>> that
>>>> these people are waging millions of other people's dollars on their
>>>> "feelings" is ghastly.
>>>>
>>>> Hold onto your wallet; trust no one, especially if they come bearing a
>>>> spreadsheet.Yes, there are tools available to audit spreadsheets, and I
>>>> trust them. But in their absence. do not trust anyone. These people are
>>>> jokers, fools or scammers. Take your pick.
>>>>
>>>> I do not fancy myself as an Excel guru. But once I learned the model, I
>>>> had
>>>> no problem doing some fancy footwork in Excel. Bur rhis goes to way that
>>>> there is a difference between a programmer and a user. The frightening
>>>> part
>>>> is that users equipped with Excel are making decisions involving
>>>> millions of
>>>> other people's dollars.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Arthur
>>>> Cell: 647.710.1314
>>>>
>>>> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>>>>      -- Niels Bohr
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Mar  2 14:51:42 2013
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2013 15:51:42 -0500
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And now I have two more.  Why?
T

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On 3/2/2013 12:26 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> Okay, why?
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
>
>
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 15:16:49 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 10:16:49 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] How to Hide Existing Text Boxes and Labels on an
	Access Report
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Nope been that way for generations.

Still I would probably have tagged the controls involved and using Boolean
logic set their visible property by looping through all controls having a
tags with that value to visible equals true or false as appropriate. Seems
cleaner to me.
On Mar 2, 2013 11:58 AM, "Brad Marks" <BradM at blackforestltd.com> wrote:

> All,
>
> You folks are GREAT, even on the weekend!
>
> I was trying to find the "Bring to Front" in the Property Sheet for the
> new Label.
>
> I then found it via "Right Click / Position / "Bring to Front"
>
> I had not used this before.  I try to learn one new thing every day and I
> have accomplished this goal before noon today.
>
> Thanks for your assistance.  I appreciate it.
>
> Brad
>
> PS.  I use Access 2007 which may be different than other Access versions
> in how this is done... not sure.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of John Bodin
> Sent: Sat 3/2/2013 10:11 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Hide Existing Text Boxes and Labels on an
> Access  Report
>
> Hi Brad,
>
> You s/b able to create your label with the text you want to show, set the
> Back Style to 'normal' and then after you move it to the position to cover
> up the 40 text boxes/labels, make sure you choose to Format/Bring to Front.
>  Then just hide/show that label depending on how the report is chosen to
> run by the user.
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:55 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] How to Hide Existing Text Boxes and Labels on an Access
> Report
>
> All,
>
> I have a complicated one-page report that has many Text Boxes and Labels.
>
> Recently a need has surfaced, where I need to temporarily "hide" a section
> of this report (about 40 text boxes and labels).
>
> The need to hide these controls may occur once or twice a month.
>
> Instead of making the 40 controls "invisible", I was hoping to simply add
> a new Label to cover up the existing 40 controls.  Also, the new label
> would have text to explain why the 40 controls are not being shown.
>
> Is there a way to do this?  I have reviewed the "Property Sheet" for the
> new label but I can't see how to make this happen.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
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From davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 14:59:35 2013
From: davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com (David A. Gibson)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 14:59:35 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
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I started out with Word Perfect 1.0, Lotus 123, and R:Base 5000 in 1985.  I
think I remember it being DOS 2.0 at the time with a 10MB drive.  Was quite
a thing when we upgraded to a 20MB drive.  Oh wow, all of that disk space!
And Windows takes how much space, nowadays?

David Gibson

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this

Oh my, yes!  How could we have overlooked Visicalc?  We had that on the
Honeywell word-porcessing stations that we installed in 1982-ish (1982, 3,
or 4).  I thought that was the best thing ever.  Saw Lotus 1-2-3 for the
first time, when?  About 1985 or 6 I think.
T

Tina Norris Fields
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On 3/2/2013 8:46 AM, jack drawbridge wrote:
> Come on John, you remember Visicalc.....
>
> On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 8:23 AM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> That said, Excel still holds the honour of the killer PC application 
>>> that
>> got the whole show out of the IT department and into the hands of 
>> everyday users. It really did give power to the people and I will 
>> always love it for that.
>>
>> And here I thought Lotus 123 did that.
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>>
>> On 3/1/2013 8:42 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>>
>>> Yep, with you 100% on that one John (or 110% as some Excel users I 
>>> know would say ;) ).
>>>
>>> Personally I still think of these tools as I first did back in the 
>>> early days of MS Office.  The database is for storing the data and 
>>> shrinking down the vast raw data into the bits you require to look 
>>> at via views / queries / whatever.
>>>
>>> Excel is for doing the analysis, Pivots, charting, number mashing 
>>> and playing with scenarios.
>>>
>>> Word is for doing the final presentation (or maybe (god forbid), 
>>> Powerpoint).
>>>
>>> Too many folks try to do it all in one application.
>>> I have seen spreadsheet attempted in word tables.
>>> Databases in Excel is real common.
>>> the list goes on...
>>>
>>> That said, Excel still holds the honour of the killer PC application 
>>> that got the whole show out of the IT department and into the hands 
>>> of everyday users.  It really did give power to the people and I 
>>> will always love it for that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________**__________
>>> From: 
>>> accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvis
>>> ors.com>[ 
>>> accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvis
>>> ors.com>] on behalf of John W Colby [jwcolby at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Saturday, 2 March 2013 2:52 AM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>>>
>>>   us meek Excel hacks will be still be making money and in demand 
>>> long
>>>> after MS Access is retired from general use and Access devs are
extinct.
>>>>
>>> LOL, ain't that the truth.  I still prefer databases though.  Each 
>>> has its place, it's just that Excel so often ends up being turned 
>>> into a database which it doesn't Excel at (pun intended)
>>>
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>>
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>
>>> On 2/28/2013 8:48 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>>>
>>>> hehehehe, It is ok Bill, as an amatuer hack I am used to be insulted ;)
>>>>   And whilst that maybe indeed the case we are mere dabblers in the 
>>>> dark arts of VBA - us meek Excel hacks will be still be making 
>>>> money and in demand long after MS Access is retired from general 
>>>> use and Access devs are extinct.
>>>>
>>>> So all good really ;) .  Arthur, please stick around on Excel - L, 
>>>> you will fit right in and your skills, experience and contributions 
>>>> will be appreciated.  Besides, I usually find you highly 
>>>> entertaining as well as educational - and not just with VBA stuff
either.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Darryl.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ______________________________**__________
>>>> From: 
>>>> accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvi
>>>> sors.com>[ 
>>>> accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvi
>>>> sors.com>] on behalf of William Benson (VBACreations.Com) 
>>>> [vbacreations at gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2013 9:04 PM
>>>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>>>>
>>>> Art, you take one thread (or a couple) and then kick an entire 
>>>> Listserv to
>>>> the curb? You ought to be ashamed   ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Plus you just insulted both me and Darryl...
>>>>
>>>> Meanie.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: 
>>>> accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvi
>>>> sors.com> 
>>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at data
>>>> baseadvisors.com>]
>>>> On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:11 AM
>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>> Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>>>>
>>>> For some reason I ended up joining a list about Excel 
>>>> EXCEL-L at peach.ease.lsoft.com),  mistaking it for one our our lists. 
>>>> Wow was I wrong/ These people need more than a lifetime of help. 
>>>> Unfortunately, as I age, I don't have that much time.. .
>>>>
>>>> To be fair, it's a user's group not a developer's group, and it 
>>>> does shed some light on the differenence.
>>>>
>>>> The scary part is that some of these people fancy themselves as 
>>>> "Quants", short for Quantitative Analysts, which means that they 
>>>> are risking the hard-earned money that others have made and 
>>>> invested in this or that fund.
>>>> And I am aware of many of their algorithms, having once worked for 
>>>> a Bermudian hedge fund, which at least had the sense to use SQL 
>>>> Server rather then Excel.
>>>>
>>>> This seriously frightens me. These Excel listers, save on or two, 
>>>> don't even know that there is a difference between a Range and an 
>>>> Array.
>>>>
>>>> The prospect that these people are playing with millions of dollars 
>>>> of money belonging to other people is truly frightening. The 
>>>> up-side is that I have invested zero dollars in the opinions of 
>>>> these fools; the down-side is that many several millions have, and 
>>>> I fear for their prospects.
>>>>
>>>> I guess what I am saying is this: if you want to realize what a 
>>>> valuable group this one is, just go visit that one for a minute or 
>>>> two. To think that these people are waging millions of other 
>>>> people's dollars on their "feelings" is ghastly.
>>>>
>>>> Hold onto your wallet; trust no one, especially if they come 
>>>> bearing a spreadsheet.Yes, there are tools available to audit 
>>>> spreadsheets, and I trust them. But in their absence. do not trust 
>>>> anyone. These people are jokers, fools or scammers. Take your pick.
>>>>
>>>> I do not fancy myself as an Excel guru. But once I learned the 
>>>> model, I had no problem doing some fancy footwork in Excel. Bur 
>>>> rhis goes to way that there is a difference between a programmer 
>>>> and a user. The frightening part is that users equipped with Excel 
>>>> are making decisions involving millions of other people's dollars.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Arthur
>>>> Cell: 647.710.1314
>>>>
>>>> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>>>>      -- Niels Bohr
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 12:08:58 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 13:08:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
In-Reply-To: <51323855.5020704@torchlake.com>
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Hey I learned to write Lotus 123 macros (beginning with backslash somewhere
on the worksheet) back in 1986 during an internship with Aetna doing
actuarial stuff.   Before internet and I think that is how I learned to type
everything from menu system by memory.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:35 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this

Oh my, yes!  How could we have overlooked Visicalc?  We had that on the
Honeywell word-porcessing stations that we installed in 1982-ish (1982, 3,
or 4).  I thought that was the best thing ever.  Saw Lotus 1-2-3 for the
first time, when?  About 1985 or 6 I think.
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 3/2/2013 8:46 AM, jack drawbridge wrote:
> Come on John, you remember Visicalc.....
>
> On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 8:23 AM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> That said, Excel still holds the honour of the killer PC application 
>>> that
>> got the whole show out of the IT department and into the hands of 
>> everyday users. It really did give power to the people and I will 
>> always love it for that.
>>
>> And here I thought Lotus 123 did that.
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>>
>> On 3/1/2013 8:42 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>>
>>> Yep, with you 100% on that one John (or 110% as some Excel users I 
>>> know would say ;) ).
>>>
>>> Personally I still think of these tools as I first did back in the 
>>> early days of MS Office.  The database is for storing the data and 
>>> shrinking down the vast raw data into the bits you require to look 
>>> at via views / queries / whatever.
>>>
>>> Excel is for doing the analysis, Pivots, charting, number mashing 
>>> and playing with scenarios.
>>>
>>> Word is for doing the final presentation (or maybe (god forbid), 
>>> Powerpoint).
>>>
>>> Too many folks try to do it all in one application.
>>> I have seen spreadsheet attempted in word tables.
>>> Databases in Excel is real common.
>>> the list goes on...
>>>
>>> That said, Excel still holds the honour of the killer PC application 
>>> that got the whole show out of the IT department and into the hands 
>>> of everyday users.  It really did give power to the people and I 
>>> will always love it for that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________**__________
>>> From: 
>>> accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvis
>>> ors.com>[ 
>>> accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvis
>>> ors.com>] on behalf of John W Colby [jwcolby at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Saturday, 2 March 2013 2:52 AM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>>>
>>>   us meek Excel hacks will be still be making money and in demand 
>>> long
>>>> after MS Access is retired from general use and Access devs are
extinct.
>>>>
>>> LOL, ain't that the truth.  I still prefer databases though.  Each 
>>> has its place, it's just that Excel so often ends up being turned 
>>> into a database which it doesn't Excel at (pun intended)
>>>
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>>
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>
>>> On 2/28/2013 8:48 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>>>
>>>> hehehehe, It is ok Bill, as an amatuer hack I am used to be insulted ;)
>>>>   And whilst that maybe indeed the case we are mere dabblers in the 
>>>> dark arts of VBA - us meek Excel hacks will be still be making 
>>>> money and in demand long after MS Access is retired from general 
>>>> use and Access devs are extinct.
>>>>
>>>> So all good really ;) .  Arthur, please stick around on Excel - L, 
>>>> you will fit right in and your skills, experience and contributions 
>>>> will be appreciated.  Besides, I usually find you highly 
>>>> entertaining as well as educational - and not just with VBA stuff
either.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Darryl.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ______________________________**__________
>>>> From: 
>>>> accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvi
>>>> sors.com>[ 
>>>> accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvi
>>>> sors.com>] on behalf of William Benson (VBACreations.Com) 
>>>> [vbacreations at gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2013 9:04 PM
>>>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>>>>
>>>> Art, you take one thread (or a couple) and then kick an entire 
>>>> Listserv to
>>>> the curb? You ought to be ashamed   ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Plus you just insulted both me and Darryl...
>>>>
>>>> Meanie.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: 
>>>> accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvi
>>>> sors.com> 
>>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at data
>>>> baseadvisors.com>]
>>>> On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:11 AM
>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>> Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>>>>
>>>> For some reason I ended up joining a list about Excel 
>>>> EXCEL-L at peach.ease.lsoft.com),  mistaking it for one our our lists. 
>>>> Wow was I wrong/ These people need more than a lifetime of help. 
>>>> Unfortunately, as I age, I don't have that much time.. .
>>>>
>>>> To be fair, it's a user's group not a developer's group, and it 
>>>> does shed some light on the differenence.
>>>>
>>>> The scary part is that some of these people fancy themselves as 
>>>> "Quants", short for Quantitative Analysts, which means that they 
>>>> are risking the hard-earned money that others have made and 
>>>> invested in this or that fund.
>>>> And I am aware of many of their algorithms, having once worked for 
>>>> a Bermudian hedge fund, which at least had the sense to use SQL 
>>>> Server rather then Excel.
>>>>
>>>> This seriously frightens me. These Excel listers, save on or two, 
>>>> don't even know that there is a difference between a Range and an 
>>>> Array.
>>>>
>>>> The prospect that these people are playing with millions of dollars 
>>>> of money belonging to other people is truly frightening. The 
>>>> up-side is that I have invested zero dollars in the opinions of 
>>>> these fools; the down-side is that many several millions have, and 
>>>> I fear for their prospects.
>>>>
>>>> I guess what I am saying is this: if you want to realize what a 
>>>> valuable group this one is, just go visit that one for a minute or 
>>>> two. To think that these people are waging millions of other 
>>>> people's dollars on their "feelings" is ghastly.
>>>>
>>>> Hold onto your wallet; trust no one, especially if they come 
>>>> bearing a spreadsheet.Yes, there are tools available to audit 
>>>> spreadsheets, and I trust them. But in their absence. do not trust 
>>>> anyone. These people are jokers, fools or scammers. Take your pick.
>>>>
>>>> I do not fancy myself as an Excel guru. But once I learned the 
>>>> model, I had no problem doing some fancy footwork in Excel. Bur 
>>>> rhis goes to way that there is a difference between a programmer 
>>>> and a user. The frightening part is that users equipped with Excel 
>>>> are making decisions involving millions of other people's dollars.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Arthur
>>>> Cell: 647.710.1314
>>>>
>>>> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>>>>      -- Niels Bohr
>>>> --
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>

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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 12:10:47 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 13:10:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1grCHcuPMEvndHoFOAj4G-Rx5fzV9BngWwOWQ6u_PiqJg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <s132285f.056@cactus.dk>
	<CAEPJO1grCHcuPMEvndHoFOAj4G-Rx5fzV9BngWwOWQ6u_PiqJg@mail.gmail.com>
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"Hal" - any connection to...   ??

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this

You're both right and also wrong. Visical was the first player in the game.
Lotus was second, and kicked Visicalc's ass. But neither of these compares
to dBASE-II, and the absolutely brilliant ad created by Hal Pollock, about
the bilge pump. Wayne was a genius, he wrote the whole thing in assembly and
it ran comfortably in 64k. It was originally called Vulcan but somebody
threatened him with a lawsuit, and Hal came to the table with a new name,
dBASE-II. As it happens, I was the first journalist to land interviews with
both of these folks. And yes, Visicalc made a huge impact, but dBASE-II made
a larger one.

Incidentally, for those into nomenclature, I asked Hal why it was called
dBASE-II and he said, and although that interview was about 30 years ago, I
think that I can quote him accurately, "Because dBASE One would have sounded
like a virgin product."

Arthur

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From hkotsch at arcor.de  Sat Mar  2 14:05:57 2013
From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 21:05:57 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
In-Reply-To: <51323855.5020704@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBEEFEKAAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>

I got my first illegal copy in spring of 1983 in San Jose and bought it for
IBM in San Jose the next day because I was so impressed with the imbedded
graphics capabilities.

Helmut

-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Tina Norris
Fields
Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Marz 2013 18:35
An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Betreff: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this


Oh my, yes!  How could we have overlooked Visicalc?  We had that on the
Honeywell word-porcessing stations that we installed in 1982-ish (1982,
3, or 4).  I thought that was the best thing ever.  Saw Lotus 1-2-3 for
the first time, when?  About 1985 or 6 I think.
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 3/2/2013 8:46 AM, jack drawbridge wrote:
> Come on John, you remember Visicalc.....
>
> On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 8:23 AM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> That said, Excel still holds the honour of the killer PC application
that
>> got the whole show out of the IT department and into the hands of
everyday
>> users. It really did give power to the people and I will always love it
for
>> that.
>>
>> And here I thought Lotus 123 did that.
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>>
>> On 3/1/2013 8:42 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>>
>>> Yep, with you 100% on that one John (or 110% as some Excel users I know
>>> would say ;) ).
>>>
>>> Personally I still think of these tools as I first did back in the early
>>> days of MS Office.  The database is for storing the data and shrinking
down
>>> the vast raw data into the bits you require to look at via views /
queries
>>> / whatever.
>>>
>>> Excel is for doing the analysis, Pivots, charting, number mashing and
>>> playing with scenarios.
>>>
>>> Word is for doing the final presentation (or maybe (god forbid),
>>> Powerpoint).
>>>
>>> Too many folks try to do it all in one application.
>>> I have seen spreadsheet attempted in word tables.
>>> Databases in Excel is real common.
>>> the list goes on...
>>>
>>> That said, Excel still holds the honour of the killer PC application
that
>>> got the whole show out of the IT department and into the hands of
everyday
>>> users.  It really did give power to the people and I will always love it
>>> for that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________**__________
>>> From:
accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
[
>>>
accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
]
>>> on behalf of John W Colby [jwcolby at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Saturday, 2 March 2013 2:52 AM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>>>
>>>   us meek Excel hacks will be still be making money and in demand long
>>>> after MS Access is retired from general use and Access devs are
extinct.
>>>>
>>> LOL, ain't that the truth.  I still prefer databases though.  Each has
>>> its place, it's just that
>>> Excel so often ends up being turned into a database which it doesn't
>>> Excel at (pun intended)
>>>
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>>
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>
>>> On 2/28/2013 8:48 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>>>
>>>> hehehehe, It is ok Bill, as an amatuer hack I am used to be insulted ;)
>>>>   And whilst that maybe indeed the case we are mere dabblers in the
dark
>>>> arts of VBA - us meek Excel hacks will be still be making money and in
>>>> demand long after MS Access is retired from general use and Access devs
are
>>>> extinct.
>>>>
>>>> So all good really ;) .  Arthur, please stick around on Excel - L, you
>>>> will fit right in and your skills, experience and contributions will be
>>>> appreciated.  Besides, I usually find you highly entertaining as well
as
>>>> educational - and not just with VBA stuff either.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Darryl.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ______________________________**__________
>>>> From:
accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
[
>>>>
accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
]
>>>> on behalf of William Benson (VBACreations.Com) [vbacreations at gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2013 9:04 PM
>>>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>>>>
>>>> Art, you take one thread (or a couple) and then kick an entire Listserv
>>>> to
>>>> the curb? You ought to be ashamed   ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Plus you just insulted both me and Darryl...
>>>>
>>>> Meanie.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From:
accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>
[mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvis
ors.com>]
>>>> On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:11 AM
>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>> Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>>>>
>>>> For some reason I ended up joining a list about Excel
>>>> EXCEL-L at peach.ease.lsoft.com),  mistaking it for one our our lists. Wow
>>>> was
>>>> I wrong/ These people need more than a lifetime of help. Unfortunately,
>>>> as I
>>>> age, I don't have that much time.. .
>>>>
>>>> To be fair, it's a user's group not a developer's group, and it does
shed
>>>> some light on the differenence.
>>>>
>>>> The scary part is that some of these people fancy themselves as
"Quants",
>>>> short for Quantitative Analysts, which means that they are risking the
>>>> hard-earned money that others have made and invested in this or that
>>>> fund.
>>>> And I am aware of many of their algorithms, having once worked for a
>>>> Bermudian hedge fund, which at least had the sense to use SQL Server
>>>> rather
>>>> then Excel.
>>>>
>>>> This seriously frightens me. These Excel listers, save on or two, don't
>>>> even
>>>> know that there is a difference between a Range and an Array.
>>>>
>>>> The prospect that these people are playing with millions of dollars of
>>>> money
>>>> belonging to other people is truly frightening. The up-side is that I
>>>> have
>>>> invested zero dollars in the opinions of these fools; the down-side is
>>>> that
>>>> many several millions have, and I fear for their prospects.
>>>>
>>>> I guess what I am saying is this: if you want to realize what a
valuable
>>>> group this one is, just go visit that one for a minute or two. To think
>>>> that
>>>> these people are waging millions of other people's dollars on their
>>>> "feelings" is ghastly.
>>>>
>>>> Hold onto your wallet; trust no one, especially if they come bearing a
>>>> spreadsheet.Yes, there are tools available to audit spreadsheets, and I
>>>> trust them. But in their absence. do not trust anyone. These people are
>>>> jokers, fools or scammers. Take your pick.
>>>>
>>>> I do not fancy myself as an Excel guru. But once I learned the model, I
>>>> had
>>>> no problem doing some fancy footwork in Excel. Bur rhis goes to way
that
>>>> there is a difference between a programmer and a user. The frightening
>>>> part
>>>> is that users equipped with Excel are making decisions involving
>>>> millions of
>>>> other people's dollars.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Arthur
>>>> Cell: 647.710.1314
>>>>
>>>> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>>>>      -- Niels Bohr
>>>> --
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rs.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From steve at goodhall.info  Sat Mar  2 18:06:02 2013
From: steve at goodhall.info (Steve Goodhall)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 19:06:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
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This is not correct.  I purchased an IBM PC 1 from the third week of
production.  It did not come with VisiCalc.  It was available at the time of
launch and may have been bundled by some retailers.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Helmut Kotsch
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 9:08 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this

I think that VisiCalc was the first Spreadsheet for the PC. It was also
shipped with the first IBM PC's and one of the reasons that IBM put the IBM
PC on the market.

Helmut

-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von John W Colby
Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Marz 2013 14:23
An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Betreff: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this


 >That said, Excel still holds the honour of the killer PC application that
got the whole show out
of the IT department and into the hands of everyday users. It really did
give power to the people
and I will always love it for that.

And here I thought Lotus 123 did that.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 3/1/2013 8:42 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
> Yep, with you 100% on that one John (or 110% as some Excel users I know
would say ;) ).
>
> Personally I still think of these tools as I first did back in the early
days of MS Office.  The database is for storing the data and shrinking down
the vast raw data into the bits you require to look at via views / queries /
whatever.
>
> Excel is for doing the analysis, Pivots, charting, number mashing and
playing with scenarios.
>
> Word is for doing the final presentation (or maybe (god forbid),
Powerpoint).
>
> Too many folks try to do it all in one application.
> I have seen spreadsheet attempted in word tables.
> Databases in Excel is real common.
> the list goes on...
>
> That said, Excel still holds the honour of the killer PC application that
got the whole show out of the IT department and into the hands of everyday
users.  It really did give power to the people and I will always love it for
that.
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] on behalf of John W Colby
[jwcolby at gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, 2 March 2013 2:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>
>> us meek Excel hacks will be still be making money and in demand long
after MS Access is retired from general use and Access devs are extinct.
> LOL, ain't that the truth.  I still prefer databases though.  Each has its
place, it's just that
> Excel so often ends up being turned into a database which it doesn't Excel
at (pun intended)
>
>
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 2/28/2013 8:48 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>> hehehehe, It is ok Bill, as an amatuer hack I am used to be insulted ;)
And whilst that maybe indeed the case we are mere dabblers in the dark arts
of VBA - us meek Excel hacks will be still be making money and in demand
long after MS Access is retired from general use and Access devs are
extinct.
>>
>> So all good really ;) .  Arthur, please stick around on Excel - L, you
will fit right in and your skills, experience and contributions will be
appreciated.  Besides, I usually find you highly entertaining as well as
educational - and not just with VBA stuff either.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Darryl.
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] on behalf of William Benson
(VBACreations.Com) [vbacreations at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2013 9:04 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>>
>> Art, you take one thread (or a couple) and then kick an entire Listserv
to
>> the curb? You ought to be ashamed   ;-)
>>
>> Plus you just insulted both me and Darryl...
>>
>> Meanie.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:11 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>>
>> For some reason I ended up joining a list about Excel
>> EXCEL-L at peach.ease.lsoft.com),  mistaking it for one our our lists. Wow
was
>> I wrong/ These people need more than a lifetime of help. Unfortunately,
as I
>> age, I don't have that much time.. .
>>
>> To be fair, it's a user's group not a developer's group, and it does shed
>> some light on the differenence.
>>
>> The scary part is that some of these people fancy themselves as "Quants",
>> short for Quantitative Analysts, which means that they are risking the
>> hard-earned money that others have made and invested in this or that
fund.
>> And I am aware of many of their algorithms, having once worked for a
>> Bermudian hedge fund, which at least had the sense to use SQL Server
rather
>> then Excel.
>>
>> This seriously frightens me. These Excel listers, save on or two, don't
even
>> know that there is a difference between a Range and an Array.
>>
>> The prospect that these people are playing with millions of dollars of
money
>> belonging to other people is truly frightening. The up-side is that I
have
>> invested zero dollars in the opinions of these fools; the down-side is
that
>> many several millions have, and I fear for their prospects.
>>
>> I guess what I am saying is this: if you want to realize what a valuable
>> group this one is, just go visit that one for a minute or two. To think
that
>> these people are waging millions of other people's dollars on their
>> "feelings" is ghastly.
>>
>> Hold onto your wallet; trust no one, especially if they come bearing a
>> spreadsheet.Yes, there are tools available to audit spreadsheets, and I
>> trust them. But in their absence. do not trust anyone. These people are
>> jokers, fools or scammers. Take your pick.
>>
>> I do not fancy myself as an Excel guru. But once I learned the model, I
had
>> no problem doing some fancy footwork in Excel. Bur rhis goes to way that
>> there is a difference between a programmer and a user. The frightening
part
>> is that users equipped with Excel are making decisions involving millions
of
>> other people's dollars.
>>
>> --
>> Arthur
>> Cell: 647.710.1314
>>
>> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>>     -- Niels Bohr
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 19:51:37 2013
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 20:51:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fwd: Your message to AccessD awaits moderator approval
In-Reply-To: <5132665E.9080407@torchlake.com>
References: <mailman.535.1362235262.618.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<5132363F.6060604@torchlake.com> <5132665E.9080407@torchlake.com>
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this thread came on the heals of the thread that turned heated and
ugly. We, the moderators felt that it originally could turn bad, so we
moderated this one thread. That's why EVERYONE that posted to this
thread was held.

Bryan


On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Tina Norris Fields
<tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
> And now I have two more.  Why?
>
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
> On 3/2/2013 12:26 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>>
>> Okay, why?
>> T
>>
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject:     Your message to AccessD awaits moderator approval
>> Date:     Sat, 02 Mar 2013 08:41:02 -0600
>> From:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> To:     tinanfields at torchlake.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Your mail to 'AccessD' with the subject
>>
>>     Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>>
>> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
>>
>> The reason it is being held:
>>
>>     The message headers matched a filter rule
>>
>> Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
>> notification of the moderator's decision.  If you would like to cancel
>> this posting, please visit the following URL:
>>
>>
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/confirm/accessd/00d1a8ede3ea04238e3b22966e578b07972923da
>>
>>
>>
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preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"

From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 22:04:24 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2013 23:04:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How to Hide Existing Text Boxes and Labels on an
 Access Report
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V4SL5iF8PQ9HePWdaZpyaUMWZ7Ozps1vKePT4nQDpf-4Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <s13215b8.055@cactus.dk>
	<CAJ2R_pL7ikV7+q_TmqMD5J2K5CpyTTUzam8h1_+8zEFdotMQzg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3CF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<2426da226cf9458ebeb5eb2482460729@BLUPR04MB040.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <5132CBC8.6010104@gmail.com>

And I would use classes and a framework so that I could repeat it on the next report in a few lines 
of code.

;)

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 3/2/2013 4:16 PM, William Benson wrote:
> Nope been that way for generations.
>
> Still I would probably have tagged the controls involved and using Boolean
> logic set their visible property by looping through all controls having a
> tags with that value to visible equals true or false as appropriate. Seems
> cleaner to me.
> On Mar 2, 2013 11:58 AM, "Brad Marks"<BradM at blackforestltd.com>  wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> You folks are GREAT, even on the weekend!
>>
>> I was trying to find the "Bring to Front" in the Property Sheet for the
>> new Label.
>>
>> I then found it via "Right Click / Position / "Bring to Front"
>>
>> I had not used this before.  I try to learn one new thing every day and I
>> have accomplished this goal before noon today.
>>
>> Thanks for your assistance.  I appreciate it.
>>
>> Brad
>>
>> PS.  I use Access 2007 which may be different than other Access versions
>> in how this is done... not sure.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of John Bodin
>> Sent: Sat 3/2/2013 10:11 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Hide Existing Text Boxes and Labels on an
>> Access  Report
>>
>> Hi Brad,
>>
>> You s/b able to create your label with the text you want to show, set the
>> Back Style to 'normal' and then after you move it to the position to cover
>> up the 40 text boxes/labels, make sure you choose to Format/Bring to Front.
>>   Then just hide/show that label depending on how the report is chosen to
>> run by the user.
>>
>> John
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
>> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:55 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] How to Hide Existing Text Boxes and Labels on an Access
>> Report
>>
>> All,
>>
>> I have a complicated one-page report that has many Text Boxes and Labels.
>>
>> Recently a need has surfaced, where I need to temporarily "hide" a section
>> of this report (about 40 text boxes and labels).
>>
>> The need to hide these controls may occur once or twice a month.
>>
>> Instead of making the 40 controls "invisible", I was hoping to simply add
>> a new Label to cover up the existing 40 controls.  Also, the new label
>> would have text to explain why the 40 controls are not being shown.
>>
>> Is there a way to do this?  I have reviewed the "Property Sheet" for the
>> new label but I can't see how to make this happen.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Brad
>>
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 22:07:00 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2013 23:07:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fwd: Your message to AccessD awaits moderator approval
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWFbpF_qnV4=EJJfrcUCsM3ez7XA26613NeouUUBDZ4niQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.535.1362235262.618.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<5132363F.6060604@torchlake.com> <5132665E.9080407@torchlake.com>
	<CAAZtbWFbpF_qnV4=EJJfrcUCsM3ez7XA26613NeouUUBDZ4niQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5132CC64.7090505@gmail.com>

LOL.  There is no discord on this list.  It is all in your mind...

;)

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 3/2/2013 8:51 PM, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:
> this thread came on the heals of the thread that turned heated and
> ugly. We, the moderators felt that it originally could turn bad, so we
> moderated this one thread. That's why EVERYONE that posted to this
> thread was held.
>
> Bryan
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Tina Norris Fields
> <tinanfields at torchlake.com>  wrote:
>> And now I have two more.  Why?
>>
>> T
>>
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
>> On 3/2/2013 12:26 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>>> Okay, why?
>>> T
>>>
>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>>> 231-322-2787
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject:     Your message to AccessD awaits moderator approval
>>> Date:     Sat, 02 Mar 2013 08:41:02 -0600
>>> From:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> To:     tinanfields at torchlake.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Your mail to 'AccessD' with the subject
>>>
>>>      Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>>>
>>> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
>>>
>>> The reason it is being held:
>>>
>>>      The message headers matched a filter rule
>>>
>>> Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
>>> notification of the moderator's decision.  If you would like to cancel
>>> this posting, please visit the following URL:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/confirm/accessd/00d1a8ede3ea04238e3b22966e578b07972923da
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Mar  3 00:05:13 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 22:05:13 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] How to Hide Existing Text Boxes and Labels on
	anAccess	Report
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3D0@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <s13215b8.055@cactus.dk><CAJ2R_pL7ikV7+q_TmqMD5J2K5CpyTTUzam8h1_+8zEFdotMQzg@mail.gmail.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3CF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><2426da226cf9458ebeb5eb2482460729@BLUPR04MB040.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <AD0AD232219E4859A0CCCA192F8C0C05@HAL9007>

It's also in the format menu, Align sub-menu.  I use the keyboard shortcut
Alt-O-A-T.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 8:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Hide Existing Text Boxes and Labels on
anAccess Report

All,

You folks are GREAT, even on the weekend!

I was trying to find the "Bring to Front" in the Property Sheet for the new
Label.

I then found it via "Right Click / Position / "Bring to Front"

I had not used this before.  I try to learn one new thing every day and I
have accomplished this goal before noon today.

Thanks for your assistance.  I appreciate it.

Brad

PS.  I use Access 2007 which may be different than other Access versions in
how this is done... not sure.   


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of John Bodin
Sent: Sat 3/2/2013 10:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Hide Existing Text Boxes and Labels on an
Access	Report
 
Hi Brad, 

You s/b able to create your label with the text you want to show, set the
Back Style to 'normal' and then after you move it to the position to cover
up the 40 text boxes/labels, make sure you choose to Format/Bring to Front.
Then just hide/show that label depending on how the report is chosen to run
by the user.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] How to Hide Existing Text Boxes and Labels on an Access
Report

All,

I have a complicated one-page report that has many Text Boxes and Labels.

Recently a need has surfaced, where I need to temporarily "hide" a section
of this report (about 40 text boxes and labels).

The need to hide these controls may occur once or twice a month.

Instead of making the 40 controls "invisible", I was hoping to simply add a
new Label to cover up the existing 40 controls.  Also, the new label would
have text to explain why the 40 controls are not being shown.

Is there a way to do this?  I have reviewed the "Property Sheet" for the new
label but I can't see how to make this happen.

Thanks,
Brad  

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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 23:04:30 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 00:04:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
In-Reply-To: <51323855.5020704@torchlake.com>
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	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B53441CE91@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<5130CEB3.30702@gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5436D1157@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<5131FD40.8030401@gmail.com>
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While visicalc came before, Lotus made the spreadsheet ubiquitous on the
pc.

On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Tina Norris Fields <
tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:

> Oh my, yes!  How could we have overlooked Visicalc?  We had that on the
> Honeywell word-porcessing stations that we installed in 1982-ish (1982, 3,
> or 4).  I thought that was the best thing ever.  Saw Lotus 1-2-3 for the
> first time, when?  About 1985 or 6 I think.
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-**com
> 231-322-2787
>
> On 3/2/2013 8:46 AM, jack drawbridge wrote:
>
>> Come on John, you remember Visicalc.....
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 8:23 AM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  That said, Excel still holds the honour of the killer PC application that
>>>>
>>> got the whole show out of the IT department and into the hands of
>>> everyday
>>> users. It really did give power to the people and I will always love it
>>> for
>>> that.
>>>
>>> And here I thought Lotus 123 did that.
>>>
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>>
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/1/2013 8:42 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>>>
>>>  Yep, with you 100% on that one John (or 110% as some Excel users I know
>>>> would say ;) ).
>>>>
>>>> Personally I still think of these tools as I first did back in the early
>>>> days of MS Office.  The database is for storing the data and shrinking
>>>> down
>>>> the vast raw data into the bits you require to look at via views /
>>>> queries
>>>> / whatever.
>>>>
>>>> Excel is for doing the analysis, Pivots, charting, number mashing and
>>>> playing with scenarios.
>>>>
>>>> Word is for doing the final presentation (or maybe (god forbid),
>>>> Powerpoint).
>>>>
>>>> Too many folks try to do it all in one application.
>>>> I have seen spreadsheet attempted in word tables.
>>>> Databases in Excel is real common.
>>>> the list goes on...
>>>>
>>>> That said, Excel still holds the honour of the killer PC application
>>>> that
>>>> got the whole show out of the IT department and into the hands of
>>>> everyday
>>>> users.  It really did give power to the people and I will always love it
>>>> for that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ______________________________****__________
>>>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvi**sors.com<http://databaseadvisors.com>
>>>> <accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>> >[
>>>> accessd-bounces@**databaseadvi**sors.com <http://databaseadvisors.com><
>>>> accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>> >]
>>>> on behalf of John W Colby [jwcolby at gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Saturday, 2 March 2013 2:52 AM
>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>>>>
>>>>   us meek Excel hacks will be still be making money and in demand long
>>>>
>>>>> after MS Access is retired from general use and Access devs are
>>>>> extinct.
>>>>>
>>>>>  LOL, ain't that the truth.  I still prefer databases though.  Each has
>>>> its place, it's just that
>>>> Excel so often ends up being turned into a database which it doesn't
>>>> Excel at (pun intended)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>
>>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>>
>>>> On 2/28/2013 8:48 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  hehehehe, It is ok Bill, as an amatuer hack I am used to be insulted ;)
>>>>>   And whilst that maybe indeed the case we are mere dabblers in the
>>>>> dark
>>>>> arts of VBA - us meek Excel hacks will be still be making money and in
>>>>> demand long after MS Access is retired from general use and Access
>>>>> devs are
>>>>> extinct.
>>>>>
>>>>> So all good really ;) .  Arthur, please stick around on Excel - L, you
>>>>> will fit right in and your skills, experience and contributions will be
>>>>> appreciated.  Besides, I usually find you highly entertaining as well
>>>>> as
>>>>> educational - and not just with VBA stuff either.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Darryl.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ______________________________****__________
>>>>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvi**sors.com<http://databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>> <accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>> >[
>>>>> accessd-bounces@**databaseadvi**sors.com <http://databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>> <accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>> >]
>>>>> on behalf of William Benson (VBACreations.Com) [vbacreations at gmail.com
>>>>> ]
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2013 9:04 PM
>>>>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>>>>>
>>>>> Art, you take one thread (or a couple) and then kick an entire Listserv
>>>>> to
>>>>> the curb? You ought to be ashamed   ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Plus you just insulted both me and Darryl...
>>>>>
>>>>> Meanie.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvi**sors.com<http://databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>> <accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>> >
>>>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**data**baseadvisors.com<http://databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>> <accessd-**bounces at databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>> >]
>>>>> On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:11 AM
>>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>>> Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>>>>>
>>>>> For some reason I ended up joining a list about Excel
>>>>> EXCEL-L at peach.ease.lsoft.com),  mistaking it for one our our lists.
>>>>> Wow
>>>>> was
>>>>> I wrong/ These people need more than a lifetime of help. Unfortunately,
>>>>> as I
>>>>> age, I don't have that much time.. .
>>>>>
>>>>> To be fair, it's a user's group not a developer's group, and it does
>>>>> shed
>>>>> some light on the differenence.
>>>>>
>>>>> The scary part is that some of these people fancy themselves as
>>>>> "Quants",
>>>>> short for Quantitative Analysts, which means that they are risking the
>>>>> hard-earned money that others have made and invested in this or that
>>>>> fund.
>>>>> And I am aware of many of their algorithms, having once worked for a
>>>>> Bermudian hedge fund, which at least had the sense to use SQL Server
>>>>> rather
>>>>> then Excel.
>>>>>
>>>>> This seriously frightens me. These Excel listers, save on or two, don't
>>>>> even
>>>>> know that there is a difference between a Range and an Array.
>>>>>
>>>>> The prospect that these people are playing with millions of dollars of
>>>>> money
>>>>> belonging to other people is truly frightening. The up-side is that I
>>>>> have
>>>>> invested zero dollars in the opinions of these fools; the down-side is
>>>>> that
>>>>> many several millions have, and I fear for their prospects.
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess what I am saying is this: if you want to realize what a
>>>>> valuable
>>>>> group this one is, just go visit that one for a minute or two. To think
>>>>> that
>>>>> these people are waging millions of other people's dollars on their
>>>>> "feelings" is ghastly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hold onto your wallet; trust no one, especially if they come bearing a
>>>>> spreadsheet.Yes, there are tools available to audit spreadsheets, and I
>>>>> trust them. But in their absence. do not trust anyone. These people are
>>>>> jokers, fools or scammers. Take your pick.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do not fancy myself as an Excel guru. But once I learned the model, I
>>>>> had
>>>>> no problem doing some fancy footwork in Excel. Bur rhis goes to way
>>>>> that
>>>>> there is a difference between a programmer and a user. The frightening
>>>>> part
>>>>> is that users equipped with Excel are making decisions involving
>>>>> millions of
>>>>> other people's dollars.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Arthur
>>>>> Cell: 647.710.1314
>>>>>
>>>>> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>>>>>      -- Niels Bohr
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From hkotsch at arcor.de  Sun Mar  3 06:59:59 2013
From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 13:59:59 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
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Message-ID: <JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBCEFKKAAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>

Yes, they didn't come for free as a part of the PC.
Even though VisiCalc and Easy writer have not been IBM products they have
been part of IBM's announcement package.

Announcement press release

http://tinyurl.com/3dbluhe

Product fact sheet

http://tinyurl.com/zj4zu

I ordered the IBM PC right after the announcement in 1981 through the
employee purchase plan with 50% rebate. The PC was than delivered app. 1
year later due to the high demand by employees. Otherwise nothing would have
been left to regular customers.

Helmut



-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Steve
Goodhall
Gesendet: Sonntag, 3. Marz 2013 01:06
An: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Betreff: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this


This is not correct.  I purchased an IBM PC 1 from the third week of
production.  It did not come with VisiCalc.  It was available at the time of
launch and may have been bundled by some retailers.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Helmut Kotsch
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 9:08 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this

I think that VisiCalc was the first Spreadsheet for the PC. It was also
shipped with the first IBM PC's and one of the reasons that IBM put the IBM
PC on the market.

Helmut

-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von John W Colby
Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Marz 2013 14:23
An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Betreff: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this


 >That said, Excel still holds the honour of the killer PC application that
got the whole show out
of the IT department and into the hands of everyday users. It really did
give power to the people
and I will always love it for that.

And here I thought Lotus 123 did that.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 3/1/2013 8:42 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
> Yep, with you 100% on that one John (or 110% as some Excel users I know
would say ;) ).
>
> Personally I still think of these tools as I first did back in the early
days of MS Office.  The database is for storing the data and shrinking down
the vast raw data into the bits you require to look at via views / queries /
whatever.
>
> Excel is for doing the analysis, Pivots, charting, number mashing and
playing with scenarios.
>
> Word is for doing the final presentation (or maybe (god forbid),
Powerpoint).
>
> Too many folks try to do it all in one application.
> I have seen spreadsheet attempted in word tables.
> Databases in Excel is real common.
> the list goes on...
>
> That said, Excel still holds the honour of the killer PC application that
got the whole show out of the IT department and into the hands of everyday
users.  It really did give power to the people and I will always love it for
that.
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] on behalf of John W Colby
[jwcolby at gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, 2 March 2013 2:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>
>> us meek Excel hacks will be still be making money and in demand long
after MS Access is retired from general use and Access devs are extinct.
> LOL, ain't that the truth.  I still prefer databases though.  Each has its
place, it's just that
> Excel so often ends up being turned into a database which it doesn't Excel
at (pun intended)
>
>
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 2/28/2013 8:48 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>> hehehehe, It is ok Bill, as an amatuer hack I am used to be insulted ;)
And whilst that maybe indeed the case we are mere dabblers in the dark arts
of VBA - us meek Excel hacks will be still be making money and in demand
long after MS Access is retired from general use and Access devs are
extinct.
>>
>> So all good really ;) .  Arthur, please stick around on Excel - L, you
will fit right in and your skills, experience and contributions will be
appreciated.  Besides, I usually find you highly entertaining as well as
educational - and not just with VBA stuff either.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Darryl.
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] on behalf of William Benson
(VBACreations.Com) [vbacreations at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2013 9:04 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>>
>> Art, you take one thread (or a couple) and then kick an entire Listserv
to
>> the curb? You ought to be ashamed   ;-)
>>
>> Plus you just insulted both me and Darryl...
>>
>> Meanie.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:11 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>>
>> For some reason I ended up joining a list about Excel
>> EXCEL-L at peach.ease.lsoft.com),  mistaking it for one our our lists. Wow
was
>> I wrong/ These people need more than a lifetime of help. Unfortunately,
as I
>> age, I don't have that much time.. .
>>
>> To be fair, it's a user's group not a developer's group, and it does shed
>> some light on the differenence.
>>
>> The scary part is that some of these people fancy themselves as "Quants",
>> short for Quantitative Analysts, which means that they are risking the
>> hard-earned money that others have made and invested in this or that
fund.
>> And I am aware of many of their algorithms, having once worked for a
>> Bermudian hedge fund, which at least had the sense to use SQL Server
rather
>> then Excel.
>>
>> This seriously frightens me. These Excel listers, save on or two, don't
even
>> know that there is a difference between a Range and an Array.
>>
>> The prospect that these people are playing with millions of dollars of
money
>> belonging to other people is truly frightening. The up-side is that I
have
>> invested zero dollars in the opinions of these fools; the down-side is
that
>> many several millions have, and I fear for their prospects.
>>
>> I guess what I am saying is this: if you want to realize what a valuable
>> group this one is, just go visit that one for a minute or two. To think
that
>> these people are waging millions of other people's dollars on their
>> "feelings" is ghastly.
>>
>> Hold onto your wallet; trust no one, especially if they come bearing a
>> spreadsheet.Yes, there are tools available to audit spreadsheets, and I
>> trust them. But in their absence. do not trust anyone. These people are
>> jokers, fools or scammers. Take your pick.
>>
>> I do not fancy myself as an Excel guru. But once I learned the model, I
had
>> no problem doing some fancy footwork in Excel. Bur rhis goes to way that
>> there is a difference between a programmer and a user. The frightening
part
>> is that users equipped with Excel are making decisions involving millions
of
>> other people's dollars.
>>
>> --
>> Arthur
>> Cell: 647.710.1314
>>
>> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>>     -- Niels Bohr
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Mar  3 09:39:39 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 07:39:39 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
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Ha ha, sad but true... Excel is supposed to be the most used (and
potentially abused?) database in the world.

A few years back I built a spreadsheet, for a investor, out of Toronto by
the way, which had a series of inter-connected forms that allowed the user
to just enter from a single position and edit rows or ranges and add, delete
rows or ranges. The client really liked spreadsheets because unlike
databases, if you disliked the summary reports you could go in and easily
change a few rows so to achieve the appropriate results. To complete this
exercise, he gave me a group of calculations which I dutifully re-entered,
that he had extracted from someone else spreadsheets who in turn extracted
from some previously unknown person...how far back this all went no one
knew.

At the end it all worked as expected but after working on and off with the
fellow for about five years he went broke and retired to a cabin up on lake
Huron. I will never know whether it was because some formula did not predict
the market change correctly, whether some tweak to the figures caused some
cascading problem or was it something else quite unrelated. The truth is
that neither of us knew how this huge block of calculation code actually
worked. 

Jim   

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
(VBACreations.Com)
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 2:11 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this

PS -     you might as well get your facts right, the "L" group 
             for Excel is developers (ie, programmers), the "G" group is 
             general Excel questions.

PPS - Excel is a LOT more fun to mess around with the object model than
Access

PPPS - Most of the stuff you produce in Access or Oracle or SQL Server or
wherever will ultimately be analyzed in Excel.

-----Original Message-----
From: William Benson (VBACreations.Com) [mailto:vbacreations at gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 5:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I was not going to post this

Art, you take one thread (or a couple) and then kick an entire Listserv to
the curb? You ought to be ashamed   ;-)

Plus you just insulted both me and Darryl... 

Meanie.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this

For some reason I ended up joining a list about Excel
EXCEL-L at peach.ease.lsoft.com),  mistaking it for one our our lists. Wow was
I wrong/ These people need more than a lifetime of help. Unfortunately, as I
age, I don't have that much time.. .

To be fair, it's a user's group not a developer's group, and it does shed
some light on the differenence.

The scary part is that some of these people fancy themselves as "Quants",
short for Quantitative Analysts, which means that they are risking the
hard-earned money that others have made and invested in this or that fund.
And I am aware of many of their algorithms, having once worked for a
Bermudian hedge fund, which at least had the sense to use SQL Server rather
then Excel.

This seriously frightens me. These Excel listers, save on or two, don't even
know that there is a difference between a Range and an Array.

The prospect that these people are playing with millions of dollars of money
belonging to other people is truly frightening. The up-side is that I have
invested zero dollars in the opinions of these fools; the down-side is that
many several millions have, and I fear for their prospects.

I guess what I am saying is this: if you want to realize what a valuable
group this one is, just go visit that one for a minute or two. To think that
these people are waging millions of other people's dollars on their
"feelings" is ghastly.

Hold onto your wallet; trust no one, especially if they come bearing a
spreadsheet.Yes, there are tools available to audit spreadsheets, and I
trust them. But in their absence. do not trust anyone. These people are
jokers, fools or scammers. Take your pick.

I do not fancy myself as an Excel guru. But once I learned the model, I had
no problem doing some fancy footwork in Excel. Bur rhis goes to way that
there is a difference between a programmer and a user. The frightening part
is that users equipped with Excel are making decisions involving millions of
other people's dollars.

--
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Mar  3 09:45:49 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 07:45:49 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Inquiry System Built With Access 2007
	PerformanceConcern Partial Key
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An observation.

Using an combination of "pass-through" queries and straight ODBC, from MS
Access, runs really slow and has little relationship to either the
performance of Access or MS SQL.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 6:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Inquiry System Built With Access 2007
PerformanceConcern Partial Key

Arthur,

Here is the situation.  

We have a purchased package that uses SQL Server.

We cannot make any changes to the SQL Server database other than the
normal updates that are done through the Purchased Package screens.

We have used Access 2007 to build an Inquiry and Reporting system that
has worked very nicely for over a year.

Now there is a need to obtain additional data.

The data that we need to obtain is contained in a table that we have not
worked with before.

This table has a two part key "Part ID" and "Routing Sequence Number".

I was trying to enhance an existing query to now obtain data from this
new table.

The catch is that the existing query only has Part ID available and not
the routing sequence number.

In initial tests, the query seemed very slow.  My theory was that a
"table sweep" was being done on the new table because both parts of the
key were not available.

Let's say that there are 1,000 rows in the new table and the query is
bringing back data from 10,000 rows for the older tables.  It appeared
that a sweep of 1,000 rows was being done for each of the 10,000 rows in
the old tables.  This seems really slow.

Other higher priority issues have surfaced in a completely different
realm, so this issue has been put on hold for the time being.

Thanks,
Brad  
        

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 12:18 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Inquiry System Built With Access 2007 Performance
Concern Partial Key

Tina,

You and I seem both to be missing something here. I'm relieved to know
that
I am not alone in this.

Unless Brad has mis-stated the problem, I don't get it. The home-built
Inquiry System ought to be able to do just about anything with the
linked-source-data; and if massages are required on said source-data,
that's what ETL is for. (Install a free copy of SQL Server Express,
design
some ETL, and you're done.)

Brad, I fail to see the problem here. Please expound.

Thanks,



On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Tina Norris Fields <
tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:

> Okay, I'm probably missing something here.  Can you write new queries?
If
> you can, couldn't you make a select query qselA that pulls all the
fields
> of that table, then use qselA as the source for qselB that uses the
pair of
> fields as a compound PK?  Sorry if I'm being dense.
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
>
> On 2/24/2013 11:30 AM, Brad Marks wrote:
>
>> Jim,
>>
>> Thanks for your assistance.
>>
>>
>>  While you cannot change anything existing, can you add a view to the
SQL
>>>> database?
>>>>
>>> We are not able to add views to the SQL-Server database.  We cannot
make
>> any updates to anything, except to update data via the purchased
package
>> front-end screens.
>>
>>
>>
>>  Not sure I understand this part.  When you link the table, do you
see the
>>>> index with both fields and is that set as the PK field or no?
>>>>
>>> It appears that the table has a compound key (Part-ID and
>> Routing-Sequence-Number).
>> The Access-based Inquiry system that we have built has the Part-ID,
but
>> not the Routing Sequence-Number available.  When I tried to join this
table
>> in one of the existing queries, the data was returned, but it took a
long
>> time.  I have tried several variations of the query and ran quite a
few
>> tests.  Due to the slowness, I have started to consider alternative
>> approaches.  I don't have a lot of experience with obtaining data
from a
>> table with only a partial key.  I would guess that a sweep of the
entire
>> table is being performed, therefore the slowness.
>>
>> Brad
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:
accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.
com>on behalf of Jim Dettman
>> Sent: Sun 2/24/2013 10:03 AM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Inquiry System Built With Access 2007
?Performance
>>       Concern - Partial Key
>>   Brad,
>>
>> <<We are not able to change any of the tables, keys, relationships,
>> indexes,
>> etc. in any of the tables in the purchased system.  We can only read
the
>> data.  >>
>>
>>   While you cannot change anything existing, can you add a view to
the SQL
>> database?
>>
>> <<Currently the Inquiry System does not have the second part of the
key
>> available.  Only the Part_ID  is available, not the
>> Routing_Sequence_Number.
>> (Not all Parts have routings, all we need to discern is whether a
part
>> has a
>> routing or not) >>
>>
>>   Not sure I understand this part.  When you link the table, do you
see
>> the
>> index with both fields and is that set as the PK field or no?
>>
>> Jim.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:
accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.
com>
>>
[mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databasea
dvisors.com>]
>> On Behalf Of Brad Marks
>> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 06:20 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] Inquiry System Built With Access 2007 ?
Performance
>> Concern - Partial Key
>>
>> All,
>>
>> We have an Inquiry System that obtains data from a purchased
package's SQL
>> Server database via ODBC.
>>
>> The Inquiry System works nicely and response time is quite fast for
all
>> screens.
>>
>> We are not able to change any of the tables, keys, relationships,
indexes,
>> etc. in any of the tables in the purchased system.  We can only read
the
>> data.
>>   Recently, a request has been made where we will need to pull data
that
>> will
>> come from a table that has not been used by the Inquiry System
before.
>>
>> Here is the catch.  The new table that we now want to pull data from
has a
>> two-part key (Part_ID, and Routing_Sequence_Number).
>>
>> Currently the Inquiry System does not have the second part of the key
>> available.  Only the Part_ID  is available, not the
>> Routing_Sequence_Number.
>> (Not all Parts have routings, all we need to discern is whether a
part
>> has a
>> routing or not)
>>
>> When we try to obtain data from this table with only the Part_ID, the
data
>> is returned, but response time is slow.   This table has about 2,000
rows.
>>
>> I am considering two approaches and decided to see if anyone else has
run
>> into something similar and has advice.
>>
>> Approach-1.  Build an Access table from the SQL Server table, that
has
>> only
>> Part_ID for the key.
>>
>> Approach-2. Use the SQL Server data to build an array when the
inquiry
>> system is first initiated then obtain the data from the array.
>>
>> I would guess that there may be other approaches that would work
better.
>>
>> I appreciate your assistance.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Brad
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Mar  3 09:56:04 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 07:56:04 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] ODB connection
In-Reply-To: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB071D3C2F@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB071D3C2F@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>
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Hi Chester:

This is probably late to the discussion but do you have access to the
computer's administration tools (either through the Control Panel or via
Administration Tools)? If you do you can test or make the ODBC connection
using the Data Sources (ODBC) tool. You can then save the results to the
Desktop and view the internal results by changing the saved file's extension
to that of a text file.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] ODB connection

I have set up some ODBC connections through the control panel using Windows
7. When I look for these connections in Access 2007 (external data ODBC) I
don't see them. Do I have to set them up in access also?
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Mar  3 12:21:34 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 10:21:34 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] my situation....
In-Reply-To: <018c01ce1622$af228fa0$0d67aee0$@net>
References: <CAEPJO1j29SprAhAhb3QOz1Yc=YoWdjdyyv_1HkE936Z7mWmacQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<018c01ce1622$af228fa0$0d67aee0$@net>
Message-ID: <C62B25FDA739434FAEA2721687F4300F@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Microsoft went from 95 percent of the desktop market to around 25 percent.
No one's fault, just the reality. The market is just as big (a lot bigger)
than it use to be but it all moved to the web.

Access is still the best tool to boiler-plate a system into place but then
instead of migrating to the desktop you migrate to the web. Not easy by
today's common knowledge and it is just going to take us old-timers a bit of
time to get up to speed...and becoming .Net experts is not necessarily the
route to go.

Those that have got 'up to speed' have been able to demand and get the
incomes that 'us' of the nineties had previously enjoyed.

Your skill sets are far beyond just the implementation and application used
and maybe if it can be deployed into a marketable stand-alone (or even web
based) package?... I think few developers, even now, make money on one-off
products.
 
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 6:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] my situation....

I just want to let everyone know that I've made most of my hard (Very Hard)
earned income by doing Excel VBA
Work over the past 2 years.
I've done complex, multi-workbook, multi-source automation projects that
integrated data from disparate sources.
I built a huge optimization model that was driven by a 3rd party linear
programming optimizer written in C++.
I recently built a supply chain management tool that integrates with a
specialized ERP/CRM application built specifically for chemical
distributors. The tool is a completely menu-driven app written for Excel
2010 and the user never needs to touch one worksheet or one
cell....everything is form or menu-driven. It tells them what-to-buy and
when-to-buy it....a complex optimal order quantity model that is completely
integrated and automated. All they do is push some buttons...and filter the
results. I even created a complex piece of code to remember their filter
settings...a non-trivial task when filters are based on icons or color.

After reviewing the thousands of pages of design notes I developed over the
past 5 years, and then looking at this work relative to the people who were
salaried at the companies I contracted at...
I'd say I did about 5 TIMES the work of any of one those employees....for no
benefits, no healthcare, nothing.
And moreover, it was about 10-20 times the work of any of the managers,
principals or VP's at these organizations.
One manager I encountered....worked for Comcast...and never came to work.
Over the 3 months I worked for him, I saw him 2 times. TWICE in 3 months !!!
And he was paid handsomely with great benefits.

I recently confirmed the desperate nature of this job market in IT
contracting:
A bid for a small 6 month contract at a "nobody" firm had me facing a list
of 84 competitors.
84 !! Again, no bennies, no healthcare.

I think my days in this business are rapidly coming to a close.
Interestingly, I am now bidding on an Access project that likely will be my
last contract.
I just reviewed the app this evening.
It's to do the complex payroll app for a crane operations company that has
union workers...with multiple skills, rates, and locations.

A grisly discovery from reviewing the data: some of these union workers are
making more per hour than I am....plus they get benefits....and they have no
formal college education either.



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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sun Mar  3 12:29:42 2013
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2013 13:29:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fwd: Your message to AccessD awaits moderator approval
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWFbpF_qnV4=EJJfrcUCsM3ez7XA26613NeouUUBDZ4niQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.535.1362235262.618.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<5132363F.6060604@torchlake.com> <5132665E.9080407@torchlake.com>
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Thank you, Bryan, for the explanation. I understand your reasoning.
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 3/2/2013 8:51 PM, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:
> this thread came on the heals of the thread that turned heated and
> ugly. We, the moderators felt that it originally could turn bad, so we
> moderated this one thread. That's why EVERYONE that posted to this
> thread was held.
>
> Bryan
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Tina Norris Fields
> <tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>> And now I have two more.  Why?
>>
>> T
>>
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
>> On 3/2/2013 12:26 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>>> Okay, why?
>>> T
>>>
>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>>> 231-322-2787
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Your mail to 'AccessD' with the subject
>>>
>>>      Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>>>
>>> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
>>>
>>> The reason it is being held:
>>>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Mar  3 12:29:45 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 13:29:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
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References: <s132285f.056@cactus.dk>
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Hall Pollack was way before the movie, and also, let it be said, one of the
smartest people I have ever met.

A.


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Mar  3 13:04:16 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 11:04:16 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Source control Access
In-Reply-To: <009e01ce169b$9a348c00$ce9da400$@cactus.dk>
References: <009e01ce169b$9a348c00$ce9da400$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <2AD6645672DA432882DC3BCD0215ADC1@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Guys:

You should try Subversion SVN, unless you are managing thousands of builds
and users, SourceSafe and its big brother Team Foundation Server is over
featured and maybe a little over priced. 

Many development houses I know of, use SVN all the time. Then there is a
product called Git which has been highly recommended as the heir apparent. 
On both the above products there are thousands of articles, tutorials and
solutions on deploying and using them. (Not that it would matter to this
group but the above two will also run on virtually any OS platform via
desktop, server, across the web or even through the Cloud.) 

Git downloads: http://git-scm.com/downloads

Even hosting companies for Subversion allow you to run your development from
anywhere: http://www.sliksvn.com/en/download (there is a free version but
you will have to pay for the extra space.) And it is expandable from one-off
to huge enterprises: http://www.open.collab.net/downloads/subversion.html

Then there is Tortoise which encapsulates Subversion and allows it to be
easily hosted and run on Windows: http://tortoisesvn.net/downloads.html

There are other great products out there that are equally effective but tend
to be targets towards particular development groups and cycles.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 8:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Source control Access

Hi John

> .. I will not be using SourceSafe.

Then you will be reinventing the wheel. Is it a licensing issue?

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John W Colby
Sendt: 1. marts 2013 17:16
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: [AccessD] Source control Access

Working for the Borg, I suddenly have a need to source control my access
projects.  Other than the data, everything in Access can be easily dumped to
text files, and from there pulled into a source control package.  Before I
go redesigning the wheel, I'm asking if anyone out there has this
functioning.  And no I will not be using SourceSafe.

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Mar  3 13:05:38 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 11:05:38 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Source control Access
In-Reply-To: <5130DD12.8000004@gmail.com>
References: <009e01ce169b$9a348c00$ce9da400$@cactus.dk>
	<5130DD12.8000004@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <415C35FB64824FCBB7BB3CC3AE49EA0A@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi John:

It could not compete with the superior OSS products. ;-)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 8:54 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Source control Access

LOL, no.  Even MS gave up on Sourcesafe.  Google it and all you find (and I
do mean ALL) is "it 
sucks so bad".

One way or the other, they already use their own chosen SC system and so
going out to get sourcesafe 
is a non-started.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 3/1/2013 11:41 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi John
>
>> .. I will not be using SourceSafe.
> Then you will be reinventing the wheel. Is it a licensing issue?
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John W Colby
> Sendt: 1. marts 2013 17:16
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: [AccessD] Source control Access
>
> Working for the Borg, I suddenly have a need to source control my access
> projects.  Other than the data, everything in Access can be easily dumped
to
> text files, and from there pulled into a source control package.  Before I
> go redesigning the wheel, I'm asking if anyone out there has this
> functioning.  And no I will not be using SourceSafe.
>
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>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Mar  3 13:11:38 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 11:11:38 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] AccessD never changes
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V4iRSjUGUYo_7Bx6Bv-9FDG7t658+bYpm-eW_1+B9ksHg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0CCB561E0B71472DBA46D7FBF0E8B398@XPS>
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	<CAGuQ9V4iRSjUGUYo_7Bx6Bv-9FDG7t658+bYpm-eW_1+B9ksHg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <16E19191F8884BD9A9B9779851B80D51@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi William:

That has been a very common refrain for years. Whether IE10 and subsequent
releases be able to turn that trend around is anyone's guess. 

If I was Microsoft I would make my browser cross-platform... It is the only
major browser that is not.

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 1:17 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD never changes

Overheard Best Buy Geek Squad rep today telling customer " the only thing I
would Internet explorer for is to download Google Chrome. "
On Mar 1, 2013 12:02 PM, "jack drawbridge" <jackandpat.d at gmail.com> wrote:

> I guess it a sign of the times, and for those of us who have been around a
> while, it does provide some humor. But this seems to be a growing trend on
> many of the forums in which I participate. They have 6 tables, a bunch of
> data,but no awareness of a project plan, a conceptual design, interaction
> with  the user,  a high level data model (artist's concept of the new
house
> sort of thing"). The biggest concern is how to store a calculated value in
> a table; followed by "What's a query?" It won't be for another month or so
> till they ask about relationships and/or naming convention.
>
> I'm also on a list where some of the M$oft specialists are having
> difficulty with Office365, Sharepoint and some options that were shown at
> the recent Summit Conference. I mention this to show some of the issues
> that I see in my limited scope.
> My interpretation of these is that M$oft is selling/marketing some of the
> Office "stuff" including Access to end users as a solution to database.
> The  "users"/"company management" see the ads for software and believe
that
> the software solves the business issue. The M$oft specialist are busy
> promoting another new product/concept/approach -- too busy to listen to
the
> hard core users.  The M$oft motto may be --We're selling sizzle not steak.
>
> It's confusing, just as we are questioning AccessD, M$oft is promoting
> these tools to "users/management", but at the same time I'm seeing MVP's
> asking (M$oft and AccessTeam) to put more emphasis on the capabilities of
> ACCESS and be respectful of the installed base. I realize M$oft is a
> business and must continue with products/services. But is it leaving
> existing customers behind, mostly abandoned? Sure there are other products
> - move to SQL Server, move to Sharepoint.
> But move often means more dollars, more training, more software/hardware
> purchases, conversion, change in processes - at a time when the economy
> isn't great. I don't see anyone, other than M$oft, touting this latest
> round of offerings.
>
> Maybe there is some humor in that, but I think for many of us, we've seen
> at least one cycle of this merry-go-round, and we're unsure if we should
> jump off now, or go for another ride.
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Tina Norris Fields <
> tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>
> > Jack, you made me laugh right out loud with this one:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >
> > These users seem to feel that- now that they have the Access software,
> the
> > databases will just
> > get generated.???? no concepts, no plans,...
> >
> > </snip
> >
> > I was teaching a Lotus 1-2-3 class in the summer of 1995 (DOS version),
> > especially important for students who were enrolling in the college's
> > accounting courses.  As we began, I was offering examples of problems to
> be
> > easily solved using formulas in 1-2-3. Describing several Girl Scouts
> with
> > differing numbers of boxes of cookies to sell, I started making the
> formula
> > to calculate the total number of dollars each Girl Scout was responsible
> > for, noting that it was a simple algebraic expression.  From the back of
> > the room came the outraged cry, "Algebra!  Nobody told me I would need
> > algebra for this!"  Stunned, I asked the young lady why that would be a
> > problem, for surely she had learned algebra in high school.  No, she had
> > not.  Algebra was not required in her high school curriculum.  Now,
> > remember, this young lady intended to pursue an accounting degree.  She
> > needed to be able to craft formulas in a spreadsheet, and she had no
> > knowledge of algebra.  I asked her gently how she expected to proceed.
>  She
> > declared that she expected the program to figure out how to set up the
> > formulas, because that was what she understood its usefulness to be.  I
> > don't know how she expected to tell the program what the problem to be
> > solved was, but it had never dawned on her that she had any
> responsibility
> > to think her way through the solution process.
> >
> > Thanks for the memory and the laugh - bittersweet though it is.
> >
> > T
> >
> > Tina Norris Fields
> > tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-**com
> > 231-322-2787
> >
> >
> > On 2/21/2013 1:44 PM, jack drawbridge wrote:
> >
> >> And many of the forums from my view seem to have a large percentage of
> new
> >> users. Usually students doing assignments, or the self learning group
> that
> >> has never heard of normalization, relationships...  They all seem to
> >> Acc2010 or 2013, and most have installed the 64 bit version, and have
> the
> >> latest hardware. Their big issue is how to update a "cell", or how to
> >> write
> >> SQL. Most have never heard of a data model (or ERD). These users seem
to
> >> feel that- now that they have the Access software, the databases will
> just
> >> get generated.???? no concepts, no plans,...
> >> Seems they are still teaching using Access n some schools, but none of
> the
> >> database/relational theory. Many have never heard of Normalization.  I
> >>  had
> >> one (British hair salon owner trying to deal with appointments, staff
> >> availability and products) who accused me of "hijacking" his thread
> >> because
> >> I asked what his core business was and could he post a jpg of his
tables
> >> and relationships etc..  I asked about his core business and asked if
he
> >> should be running the salon/cutting hair etc, and should he be building
> >> the
> >> database or hire a contractor. He also said he didn't know what a data
> >> model was and certainly had no need of one now and my questions weren't
> >> helping him He needed to know how to write a query to add totals into
> one
> >> of his tables..
> >>
> >> I think AccessD,  and I have been a long time lurker/learner with few
> >> posts, is far beyond these basics. When a discussion or issue is
raised,
> >> it
> >> is usually meaningful, thought out and relevant. Perhaps we have mostly
> >> beaten the variety of syntax issues, and 99 ways to skin the cat, and
> >> there
> >> are no longer the numerous, more mundane issues for resolution.
> >>
> >> I'm not sure what exactly would revamp/reface/re-energize AccessD. I
> like
> >> John's blog. Perhaps the Ruby on Rails or other topics as has been
> >> suggested. However, I feel that may not get a broad take up.  I'm
> retired;
> >> have been for 5 years, my Access is typically helping people on the
> >> forums.
> >> As has been pointed out, many here are 40+ (maybe 50+), with diverse
> jobs.
> >> And some have been forced to look for new opportunities to use their
> >> skills.I don't see a lot of people jumping to Acc2013 or Sharepoint,
> and I
> >> personally have no real interest there.
> >>
> >> Any way, just a little rambling to feed the pot.
> >>
> >> jack
> >>
> >>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Mar  3 13:15:56 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 11:15:56 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] my situation....
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V520z9h+ZSUPXez-nSh4rBdt1wHZOZSvCzddRoUOq8smg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1j29SprAhAhb3QOz1Yc=YoWdjdyyv_1HkE936Z7mWmacQ@mail.gmail.com><018c01ce1622$af228fa0$0d67aee0$@net>
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Guys; I think it all can be done but it would be a rather long
explanation...maybe later in the month or next if anyone is interested.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 1:28 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] my situation....

Mark can u screen share and demo that app (the excel ordering one)?

Email me offlist. Also make sure you join us on Excel-L we need dudes like
you with quality excel app developer experiences.
On Feb 28, 2013 9:17 PM, "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> I just want to let everyone know that I've made most of my hard (Very
Hard)
> earned income by doing Excel VBA
> Work over the past 2 years.
> I've done complex, multi-workbook, multi-source automation projects that
> integrated data from disparate sources.
> I built a huge optimization model that was driven by a 3rd party linear
> programming optimizer written in C++.
> I recently built a supply chain management tool that integrates with a
> specialized ERP/CRM application built specifically for chemical
> distributors. The tool is a completely menu-driven app written for Excel
> 2010 and the user never needs to touch one worksheet or one
> cell....everything is form or menu-driven. It tells them what-to-buy and
> when-to-buy it....a complex optimal order quantity model that is
completely
> integrated and automated. All they do is push some buttons...and filter
the
> results. I even created a complex piece of code to remember their filter
> settings...a non-trivial task when filters are based on icons or color.
>
> After reviewing the thousands of pages of design notes I developed over
the
> past 5 years, and then looking at this work relative to the people who
were
> salaried at the companies I contracted at...
> I'd say I did about 5 TIMES the work of any of one those employees....for
> no
> benefits, no healthcare, nothing.
> And moreover, it was about 10-20 times the work of any of the managers,
> principals or VP's at these organizations.
> One manager I encountered....worked for Comcast...and never came to work.
> Over the 3 months I worked for him, I saw him 2 times. TWICE in 3 months
> !!!
> And he was paid handsomely with great benefits.
>
> I recently confirmed the desperate nature of this job market in IT
> contracting:
> A bid for a small 6 month contract at a "nobody" firm had me facing a list
> of 84 competitors.
> 84 !! Again, no bennies, no healthcare.
>
> I think my days in this business are rapidly coming to a close.
> Interestingly, I am now bidding on an Access project that likely will be
my
> last contract.
> I just reviewed the app this evening.
> It's to do the complex payroll app for a crane operations company that has
> union workers...with multiple skills, rates, and locations.
>
> A grisly discovery from reviewing the data: some of these union workers
are
> making more per hour than I am....plus they get benefits....and they have
> no
> formal college education either.
>
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Mar  3 13:59:58 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 11:59:58 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Back to 8
In-Reply-To: <B162DE41A0144E7B8FC39AE48ECFBB96@HAL9007>
References: <268F3780ECCE4263B11792F9784EAE3F@HAL9007><014001ce162b$7181cd60$54856820$@winhaven.net><6179D24FE7E44A2E97762278573C966A@HAL9007><01ca01ce1691$dfb1e610$9f15b230$@winhaven.net><CAGuQ9V56gmBw0R9rf1TLJF7PcsHUTyB-hU5nWSLZo3bAR_mZ3Q@mail.gmail.com><FF5B534163394692A96F9A997A36C413@HAL9007><81DED25A239D45738C6CEC696E34B581@jamesc319792ae>
	<B162DE41A0144E7B8FC39AE48ECFBB96@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <854A256FB6C44E17A0BA00772D3B4F0B@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Rocky:

By my personal or others experience with SBS suggests it is for the use of
masochists. It just about works for everything. My heart actually goes out
to the poor fellow as no matter what he does it is going to take more
work...he truly is doomed. ;-)

Here is an article that suggests that IE10 has a particular
security/connection issue related to its own default security setting. Maybe
by setting or removing these security setting the browser can then become
compatible with SBS?  

http://www.theofficemaven.com/faq/remove-internet-security-levels-are-set-to
o-high-message

Give it a whirl as it might just work.

Note: There has been many similar issues with IE10 and its security setting.
One company has been distributing a package that will block any automatic
deployment as its security setting are a little excessive and interfere with
the running of any network.

Until I hear of some patches and solutions from Microsoft IE10 on the
desktop for myself and clients will just have to wait....or just use Firefox
and Chrome. 

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:00 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8

OK - notwork guy says they're using small business server 2003. Making it
compatible with IE10 would take 4-10 hours. The upgrade to Server 2011,
which would work with IE10 would cost $3300 plus his time.

Sound right?

R

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 2:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8

Somewhat risky, but if the presence of 9 won't let you do a reversion
install of  8 You may be able to go to Chrome (or another alternative)
uninstall 9 and then instal 8.
But the first thing would be to ensure that you can download an install pack
for 8.
I suspect you may need the windows key to install 8 if there is no other
version on the system.

But that's all from vague memories of a similar problem years ago when I was
'playing' with an XP that had gone bad - possibly with a 6 to 8 upgrade.
Or maybe after a client had started a reinstall of XP Operative clause being
"vague memories"

JimB

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8


> Which leaves me...disconnected.  I've got one link from Gary Kjos to 
> follow
> up on to see if I can get good ol' IE8 back.  Otherwise I'll be back to
> perster you all again.
>
> R
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 1:20 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8
>
> I dont believe it either. Sounds lime notwork man just doesnt want to make
> the settings the way they need to be set nor research the problem
> thoroughly.
>
> Jmufo
> On Mar 1, 2013 10:34 AM, "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
>
>> I have one customer site where 8 is required due to the financial
>> software being hooked into it. Otherwise the last reason I had for
>> someone saying they needed 8 was the vpn software, which after looking
>> into it was not true
>> - they just hadn't checked for an updated vpn client.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
>> Smolin
>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:06 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8
>>
>> I'm not sure whether I was using 8 or 9.  But notwork man said
>> something about the server they're using and gave me the impression
>> that 8 was what was needed.
>>
>> I tried to install nine but the installer said it was already installed.
>>
>> Ah, the Microsoft Mysteries.
>>
>> R
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:18 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8
>>
>> How about 9?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
>> Smolin
>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 9:03 PM
>> To: List; 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: [AccessD] Back to 8
>>
>> Dear Lists:
>>
>> So I upgraded to IE 10.  Looked good.  Couldn't tell much difference.
>> But my connection to a client's server won't work in 10.  So the
>> not-work guy to em I have to go back to 8.  So - how do I do that?
>>
>> MTIA
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>> --
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>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
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>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sun Mar  3 14:12:10 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2013 00:12:10 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Source_control_Access?=
In-Reply-To: <2AD6645672DA432882DC3BCD0215ADC1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <009e01ce169b$9a348c00$ce9da400$@cactus.dk>
	<2AD6645672DA432882DC3BCD0215ADC1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <1362341530.681478665@f189.mail.ru>

 Hi All --
FYI: " Git or Mercurial. Free for 5 users."

https://bitbucket.org/

It works well for me.

-- Shamil


???????????,  3 ????? 2013, 11:04 -08:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi Guys:
>
>You should try Subversion SVN, unless you are managing thousands of builds
>and users, SourceSafe and its big brother Team Foundation Server is over
>featured and maybe a little over priced. 
>
>Many development houses I know of, use SVN all the time. Then there is a
>product called Git which has been highly recommended as the heir apparent. 
>On both the above products there are thousands of articles, tutorials and
>solutions on deploying and using them. (Not that it would matter to this
>group but the above two will also run on virtually any OS platform via
>desktop, server, across the web or even through the Cloud.) 
>
>Git downloads:  http://git-scm.com/downloads
>
>Even hosting companies for Subversion allow you to run your development from
>anywhere:  http://www.sliksvn.com/en/download (there is a free version but
>you will have to pay for the extra space.) And it is expandable from one-off
>to huge enterprises:  http://www.open.collab.net/downloads/subversion.html
>
>Then there is Tortoise which encapsulates Subversion and allows it to be
>easily hosted and run on Windows:  http://tortoisesvn.net/downloads.html
>
>There are other great products out there that are equally effective but tend
>to be targets towards particular development groups and cycles.
>
>Jim
<<< skipped >>>
>

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Sun Mar  3 15:26:04 2013
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 13:26:04 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Source control Access
In-Reply-To: <2AD6645672DA432882DC3BCD0215ADC1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <009e01ce169b$9a348c00$ce9da400$@cactus.dk>
	<2AD6645672DA432882DC3BCD0215ADC1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met-AbS-RJOT_ZagNRuJPfJ4b_9LMcueysNR3hzGiR3_HEA@mail.gmail.com>

I get confused by all the flavors of subversion and also by what criteria
to use in choosing a download.  They offer 32-bit and 64-bit, and while I'm
running 64-bit Windows 8, I'm using 32-bit Office, etc.

Charlotte

On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Guys:
>
> You should try Subversion SVN, unless you are managing thousands of builds
> and users, SourceSafe and its big brother Team Foundation Server is over
> featured and maybe a little over priced.
>
> Many development houses I know of, use SVN all the time. Then there is a
> product called Git which has been highly recommended as the heir apparent.
> On both the above products there are thousands of articles, tutorials and
> solutions on deploying and using them. (Not that it would matter to this
> group but the above two will also run on virtually any OS platform via
> desktop, server, across the web or even through the Cloud.)
>
> Git downloads: http://git-scm.com/downloads
>
> Even hosting companies for Subversion allow you to run your development
> from
> anywhere: http://www.sliksvn.com/en/download (there is a free version but
> you will have to pay for the extra space.) And it is expandable from
> one-off
> to huge enterprises: http://www.open.collab.net/downloads/subversion.html
>
> Then there is Tortoise which encapsulates Subversion and allows it to be
> easily hosted and run on Windows: http://tortoisesvn.net/downloads.html
>
> There are other great products out there that are equally effective but
> tend
> to be targets towards particular development groups and cycles.
>
> Jim
>
>

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Sun Mar  3 15:27:26 2013
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 13:27:26 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Back to 8
In-Reply-To: <854A256FB6C44E17A0BA00772D3B4F0B@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <268F3780ECCE4263B11792F9784EAE3F@HAL9007>
	<014001ce162b$7181cd60$54856820$@winhaven.net>
	<6179D24FE7E44A2E97762278573C966A@HAL9007>
	<01ca01ce1691$dfb1e610$9f15b230$@winhaven.net>
	<CAGuQ9V56gmBw0R9rf1TLJF7PcsHUTyB-hU5nWSLZo3bAR_mZ3Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<FF5B534163394692A96F9A997A36C413@HAL9007>
	<81DED25A239D45738C6CEC696E34B581@jamesc319792ae>
	<B162DE41A0144E7B8FC39AE48ECFBB96@HAL9007>
	<854A256FB6C44E17A0BA00772D3B4F0B@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met-L55eObhPFoGMhJG4TcsD3QaZ_p10bnCcuSfeO3xF=2A@mail.gmail.com>

As far as I know, you can't uninstall IE 10.  Has someone else found
evidence to the contrary?

Charlotte

On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Rocky:
>
> By my personal or others experience with SBS suggests it is for the use of
> masochists. It just about works for everything. My heart actually goes out
> to the poor fellow as no matter what he does it is going to take more
> work...he truly is doomed. ;-)
>
> Here is an article that suggests that IE10 has a particular
> security/connection issue related to its own default security setting.
> Maybe
> by setting or removing these security setting the browser can then become
> compatible with SBS?
>
>
> http://www.theofficemaven.com/faq/remove-internet-security-levels-are-set-to
> o-high-message
>
> Give it a whirl as it might just work.
>
> Note: There has been many similar issues with IE10 and its security
> setting.
> One company has been distributing a package that will block any automatic
> deployment as its security setting are a little excessive and interfere
> with
> the running of any network.
>
> Until I hear of some patches and solutions from Microsoft IE10 on the
> desktop for myself and clients will just have to wait....or just use
> Firefox
> and Chrome.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:00 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8
>
> OK - notwork guy says they're using small business server 2003. Making it
> compatible with IE10 would take 4-10 hours. The upgrade to Server 2011,
> which would work with IE10 would cost $3300 plus his time.
>
> Sound right?
>
> R
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 2:11 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8
>
> Somewhat risky, but if the presence of 9 won't let you do a reversion
> install of  8 You may be able to go to Chrome (or another alternative)
> uninstall 9 and then instal 8.
> But the first thing would be to ensure that you can download an install
> pack
> for 8.
> I suspect you may need the windows key to install 8 if there is no other
> version on the system.
>
> But that's all from vague memories of a similar problem years ago when I
> was
> 'playing' with an XP that had gone bad - possibly with a 6 to 8 upgrade.
> Or maybe after a client had started a reinstall of XP Operative clause
> being
> "vague memories"
>
> JimB
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 9:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8
>
>
> > Which leaves me...disconnected.  I've got one link from Gary Kjos to
> > follow
> > up on to see if I can get good ol' IE8 back.  Otherwise I'll be back to
> > perster you all again.
> >
> > R
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> Benson
> > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 1:20 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8
> >
> > I dont believe it either. Sounds lime notwork man just doesnt want to
> make
> > the settings the way they need to be set nor research the problem
> > thoroughly.
> >
> > Jmufo
> > On Mar 1, 2013 10:34 AM, "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
> >
> >> I have one customer site where 8 is required due to the financial
> >> software being hooked into it. Otherwise the last reason I had for
> >> someone saying they needed 8 was the vpn software, which after looking
> >> into it was not true
> >> - they just hadn't checked for an updated vpn client.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
> >> Smolin
> >> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:06 PM
> >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8
> >>
> >> I'm not sure whether I was using 8 or 9.  But notwork man said
> >> something about the server they're using and gave me the impression
> >> that 8 was what was needed.
> >>
> >> I tried to install nine but the installer said it was already installed.
> >>
> >> Ah, the Microsoft Mysteries.
> >>
> >> R
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> >> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:18 PM
> >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8
> >>
> >> How about 9?
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
> >> Smolin
> >> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 9:03 PM
> >> To: List; 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> >> Subject: [AccessD] Back to 8
> >>
> >> Dear Lists:
> >>
> >> So I upgraded to IE 10.  Looked good.  Couldn't tell much difference.
> >> But my connection to a client's server won't work in 10.  So the
> >> not-work guy to em I have to go back to 8.  So - how do I do that?
> >>
> >> MTIA
> >>
> >> Rocky
> >>
> >> --
> >> AccessD mailing list
> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >> --
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> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >> --
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> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >> --
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> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> > --
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > --
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Sun Mar  3 15:41:24 2013
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 15:41:24 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Back to 8
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met-L55eObhPFoGMhJG4TcsD3QaZ_p10bnCcuSfeO3xF=2A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <268F3780ECCE4263B11792F9784EAE3F@HAL9007>
	<014001ce162b$7181cd60$54856820$@winhaven.net>
	<6179D24FE7E44A2E97762278573C966A@HAL9007>
	<01ca01ce1691$dfb1e610$9f15b230$@winhaven.net>
	<CAGuQ9V56gmBw0R9rf1TLJF7PcsHUTyB-hU5nWSLZo3bAR_mZ3Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<FF5B534163394692A96F9A997A36C413@HAL9007>
	<81DED25A239D45738C6CEC696E34B581@jamesc319792ae>
	<B162DE41A0144E7B8FC39AE48ECFBB96@HAL9007>
	<854A256FB6C44E17A0BA00772D3B4F0B@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAH+Met-L55eObhPFoGMhJG4TcsD3QaZ_p10bnCcuSfeO3xF=2A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pLMP8yoQLYNdAsc-KCB5xVRc4tXHydDcS1h5-R6eQY7Xg@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds like IE10 is an UPDATE not a new program. So it uninstalls in a
slightly different manner than a seperate program.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/957700?wa=wsignin1.0
<http://support.microsoft.com/kb/957700?wa=wsignin1.0>

Internet Explorer 10
Removing Internet Explorer 10 from Windows 7:

    Click the Start button, type Programs and Features in the search
box, and then select View installed updates in the left pane.
    Under Uninstall an update, scroll down to the Microsoft Windows section.
        Right-click Internet Explorer 10, click Uninstall, and when
prompted, click Yes.
    Click one of the following:
        Restart now (to finish the process of uninstalling Internet
Explorer 10 and restore the previous version of Internet Explorer).
        Restart later




GK

On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Charlotte Foust
<charlotte.foust at gmail.com> wrote:
> As far as I know, you can't uninstall IE 10.  Has someone else found
> evidence to the contrary?
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> Rocky:
>>
>> By my personal or others experience with SBS suggests it is for the use of
>> masochists. It just about works for everything. My heart actually goes out
>> to the poor fellow as no matter what he does it is going to take more
>> work...he truly is doomed. ;-)
>>
>> Here is an article that suggests that IE10 has a particular
>> security/connection issue related to its own default security setting.
>> Maybe
>> by setting or removing these security setting the browser can then become
>> compatible with SBS?
>>
>>
>> http://www.theofficemaven.com/faq/remove-internet-security-levels-are-set-to
>> o-high-message
>>
>> Give it a whirl as it might just work.
>>
>> Note: There has been many similar issues with IE10 and its security
>> setting.
>> One company has been distributing a package that will block any automatic
>> deployment as its security setting are a little excessive and interfere
>> with
>> the running of any network.
>>
>> Until I hear of some patches and solutions from Microsoft IE10 on the
>> desktop for myself and clients will just have to wait....or just use
>> Firefox
>> and Chrome.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:00 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8
>>
>> OK - notwork guy says they're using small business server 2003. Making it
>> compatible with IE10 would take 4-10 hours. The upgrade to Server 2011,
>> which would work with IE10 would cost $3300 plus his time.
>>
>> Sound right?
>>
>> R
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 2:11 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8
>>
>> Somewhat risky, but if the presence of 9 won't let you do a reversion
>> install of  8 You may be able to go to Chrome (or another alternative)
>> uninstall 9 and then instal 8.
>> But the first thing would be to ensure that you can download an install
>> pack
>> for 8.
>> I suspect you may need the windows key to install 8 if there is no other
>> version on the system.
>>
>> But that's all from vague memories of a similar problem years ago when I
>> was
>> 'playing' with an XP that had gone bad - possibly with a 6 to 8 upgrade.
>> Or maybe after a client had started a reinstall of XP Operative clause
>> being
>> "vague memories"
>>
>> JimB
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 9:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8
>>
>>
>> > Which leaves me...disconnected.  I've got one link from Gary Kjos to
>> > follow
>> > up on to see if I can get good ol' IE8 back.  Otherwise I'll be back to
>> > perster you all again.
>> >
>> > R
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>> Benson
>> > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 1:20 PM
>> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8
>> >
>> > I dont believe it either. Sounds lime notwork man just doesnt want to
>> make
>> > the settings the way they need to be set nor research the problem
>> > thoroughly.
>> >
>> > Jmufo
>> > On Mar 1, 2013 10:34 AM, "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I have one customer site where 8 is required due to the financial
>> >> software being hooked into it. Otherwise the last reason I had for
>> >> someone saying they needed 8 was the vpn software, which after looking
>> >> into it was not true
>> >> - they just hadn't checked for an updated vpn client.
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
>> >> Smolin
>> >> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:06 PM
>> >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8
>> >>
>> >> I'm not sure whether I was using 8 or 9.  But notwork man said
>> >> something about the server they're using and gave me the impression
>> >> that 8 was what was needed.
>> >>
>> >> I tried to install nine but the installer said it was already installed.
>> >>
>> >> Ah, the Microsoft Mysteries.
>> >>
>> >> R
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
>> >> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:18 PM
>> >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8
>> >>
>> >> How about 9?
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
>> >> Smolin
>> >> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 9:03 PM
>> >> To: List; 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> >> Subject: [AccessD] Back to 8
>> >>
>> >> Dear Lists:
>> >>
>> >> So I upgraded to IE 10.  Looked good.  Couldn't tell much difference.
>> >> But my connection to a client's server won't work in 10.  So the
>> >> not-work guy to em I have to go back to 8.  So - how do I do that?
>> >>
>> >> MTIA
>> >>
>> >> Rocky
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> AccessD mailing list
>> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> AccessD mailing list
>> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> AccessD mailing list
>> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> AccessD mailing list
>> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> >>
>> > --
>> > AccessD mailing list
>> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> >
>> > --
>> > AccessD mailing list
>> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Mar  3 16:03:31 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 14:03:31 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Back to 8
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met-L55eObhPFoGMhJG4TcsD3QaZ_p10bnCcuSfeO3xF=2A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <268F3780ECCE4263B11792F9784EAE3F@HAL9007><014001ce162b$7181cd60$54856820$@winhaven.net><6179D24FE7E44A2E97762278573C966A@HAL9007><01ca01ce1691$dfb1e610$9f15b230$@winhaven.net><CAGuQ9V56gmBw0R9rf1TLJF7PcsHUTyB-hU5nWSLZo3bAR_mZ3Q@mail.gmail.com><FF5B534163394692A96F9A997A36C413@HAL9007><81DED25A239D45738C6CEC696E34B581@jamesc319792ae><B162DE41A0144E7B8FC39AE48ECFBB96@HAL9007><854A256FB6C44E17A0BA00772D3B4F0B@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAH+Met-L55eObhPFoGMhJG4TcsD3QaZ_p10bnCcuSfeO3xF=2A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2646E6515B9F45409F8EE77BF8331098@HAL9007>

I had to go back to a restore point to get IE9 back.  

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 1:27 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8

As far as I know, you can't uninstall IE 10.  Has someone else found
evidence to the contrary?

Charlotte

On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Rocky:
>
> By my personal or others experience with SBS suggests it is for the 
> use of masochists. It just about works for everything. My heart 
> actually goes out to the poor fellow as no matter what he does it is 
> going to take more work...he truly is doomed. ;-)
>
> Here is an article that suggests that IE10 has a particular 
> security/connection issue related to its own default security setting.
> Maybe
> by setting or removing these security setting the browser can then 
> become compatible with SBS?
>
>
> http://www.theofficemaven.com/faq/remove-internet-security-levels-are-
> set-to
> o-high-message
>
> Give it a whirl as it might just work.
>
> Note: There has been many similar issues with IE10 and its security 
> setting.
> One company has been distributing a package that will block any 
> automatic deployment as its security setting are a little excessive 
> and interfere with the running of any network.
>
> Until I hear of some patches and solutions from Microsoft IE10 on the 
> desktop for myself and clients will just have to wait....or just use 
> Firefox and Chrome.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:00 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8
>
> OK - notwork guy says they're using small business server 2003. Making 
> it compatible with IE10 would take 4-10 hours. The upgrade to Server 
> 2011, which would work with IE10 would cost $3300 plus his time.
>
> Sound right?
>
> R
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James 
> Button
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 2:11 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8
>
> Somewhat risky, but if the presence of 9 won't let you do a reversion 
> install of  8 You may be able to go to Chrome (or another alternative) 
> uninstall 9 and then instal 8.
> But the first thing would be to ensure that you can download an 
> install pack for 8.
> I suspect you may need the windows key to install 8 if there is no 
> other version on the system.
>
> But that's all from vague memories of a similar problem years ago when 
> I was 'playing' with an XP that had gone bad - possibly with a 6 to 8 
> upgrade.
> Or maybe after a client had started a reinstall of XP Operative clause 
> being "vague memories"
>
> JimB
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 9:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8
>
>
> > Which leaves me...disconnected.  I've got one link from Gary Kjos to 
> > follow up on to see if I can get good ol' IE8 back.  Otherwise I'll 
> > be back to perster you all again.
> >
> > R
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> Benson
> > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 1:20 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8
> >
> > I dont believe it either. Sounds lime notwork man just doesnt want 
> > to
> make
> > the settings the way they need to be set nor research the problem 
> > thoroughly.
> >
> > Jmufo
> > On Mar 1, 2013 10:34 AM, "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
> >
> >> I have one customer site where 8 is required due to the financial 
> >> software being hooked into it. Otherwise the last reason I had for 
> >> someone saying they needed 8 was the vpn software, which after 
> >> looking into it was not true
> >> - they just hadn't checked for an updated vpn client.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> >> Smolin
> >> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:06 PM
> >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8
> >>
> >> I'm not sure whether I was using 8 or 9.  But notwork man said 
> >> something about the server they're using and gave me the impression 
> >> that 8 was what was needed.
> >>
> >> I tried to install nine but the installer said it was already
installed.
> >>
> >> Ah, the Microsoft Mysteries.
> >>
> >> R
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John 
> >> Bartow
> >> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:18 PM
> >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back to 8
> >>
> >> How about 9?
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> >> Smolin
> >> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 9:03 PM
> >> To: List; 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> >> Subject: [AccessD] Back to 8
> >>
> >> Dear Lists:
> >>
> >> So I upgraded to IE 10.  Looked good.  Couldn't tell much difference.
> >> But my connection to a client's server won't work in 10.  So the 
> >> not-work guy to em I have to go back to 8.  So - how do I do that?
> >>
> >> MTIA
> >>
> >> Rocky
> >>
> >> --
> >> AccessD mailing list
> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >> --
> >> AccessD mailing list
> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >> --
> >> AccessD mailing list
> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >> --
> >> AccessD mailing list
> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
--
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sun Mar  3 16:24:47 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2013 17:24:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Source control Access
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met-AbS-RJOT_ZagNRuJPfJ4b_9LMcueysNR3hzGiR3_HEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <009e01ce169b$9a348c00$ce9da400$@cactus.dk>
	<2AD6645672DA432882DC3BCD0215ADC1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAH+Met-AbS-RJOT_ZagNRuJPfJ4b_9LMcueysNR3hzGiR3_HEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5133CDAF.5010609@gmail.com>

Charlotte,

I use x64 subversion on X64 Windows 2008 with an X64 client running inside of X64 Visual Studio.  
AFAICT if you run x64 OS then you want the X64 server side.  Then maybe if you are running a client 
inside of an X32 app you would use an x32 client.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 3/3/2013 4:26 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> I get confused by all the flavors of subversion and also by what criteria
> to use in choosing a download.  They offer 32-bit and 64-bit, and while I'm
> running 64-bit Windows 8, I'm using 32-bit Office, etc.
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> Hi Guys:
>>
>> You should try Subversion SVN, unless you are managing thousands of builds
>> and users, SourceSafe and its big brother Team Foundation Server is over
>> featured and maybe a little over priced.
>>
>> Many development houses I know of, use SVN all the time. Then there is a
>> product called Git which has been highly recommended as the heir apparent.
>> On both the above products there are thousands of articles, tutorials and
>> solutions on deploying and using them. (Not that it would matter to this
>> group but the above two will also run on virtually any OS platform via
>> desktop, server, across the web or even through the Cloud.)
>>
>> Git downloads: http://git-scm.com/downloads
>>
>> Even hosting companies for Subversion allow you to run your development
>> from
>> anywhere: http://www.sliksvn.com/en/download (there is a free version but
>> you will have to pay for the extra space.) And it is expandable from
>> one-off
>> to huge enterprises: http://www.open.collab.net/downloads/subversion.html
>>
>> Then there is Tortoise which encapsulates Subversion and allows it to be
>> easily hosted and run on Windows: http://tortoisesvn.net/downloads.html
>>
>> There are other great products out there that are equally effective but
>> tend
>> to be targets towards particular development groups and cycles.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sun Mar  3 16:25:36 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2013 17:25:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Source control Access
In-Reply-To: <1362341530.681478665@f189.mail.ru>
References: <009e01ce169b$9a348c00$ce9da400$@cactus.dk>
	<2AD6645672DA432882DC3BCD0215ADC1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<1362341530.681478665@f189.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <5133CDE0.5020903@gmail.com>

I use tortoise.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 3/3/2013 3:12 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
>   Hi All --
> FYI: " Git or Mercurial. Free for 5 users."
>
> https://bitbucket.org/
>
> It works well for me.
>
> -- Shamil
>
>
> ???????????,  3 ????? 2013, 11:04 -08:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>> Hi Guys:
>>
>> You should try Subversion SVN, unless you are managing thousands of builds
>> and users, SourceSafe and its big brother Team Foundation Server is over
>> featured and maybe a little over priced.
>>
>> Many development houses I know of, use SVN all the time. Then there is a
>> product called Git which has been highly recommended as the heir apparent.
>> On both the above products there are thousands of articles, tutorials and
>> solutions on deploying and using them. (Not that it would matter to this
>> group but the above two will also run on virtually any OS platform via
>> desktop, server, across the web or even through the Cloud.)
>>
>> Git downloads:  http://git-scm.com/downloads
>>
>> Even hosting companies for Subversion allow you to run your development from
>> anywhere:  http://www.sliksvn.com/en/download (there is a free version but
>> you will have to pay for the extra space.) And it is expandable from one-off
>> to huge enterprises:  http://www.open.collab.net/downloads/subversion.html
>>
>> Then there is Tortoise which encapsulates Subversion and allows it to be
>> easily hosted and run on Windows:  http://tortoisesvn.net/downloads.html
>>
>> There are other great products out there that are equally effective but tend
>> to be targets towards particular development groups and cycles.
>>
>> Jim
> <<< skipped >>>


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sun Mar  3 16:30:33 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2013 17:30:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Source control Access
In-Reply-To: <2AD6645672DA432882DC3BCD0215ADC1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <009e01ce169b$9a348c00$ce9da400$@cactus.dk>
	<2AD6645672DA432882DC3BCD0215ADC1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <5133CF09.1010609@gmail.com>

That is what I use.  Subversion and tortoise.  I finally figured out how to do it with a web based 
database as opposed to a file server.  It works really well for my limited needs.

This thread was about the Borg however and they have their own system already in place.  I was 
really trying to discover the Access side of things.  Whether folks were using third party code 
integrated into Access  to perform the export (and import if used) or a "roll your own".

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 3/3/2013 2:04 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi Guys:
>
> You should try Subversion SVN, unless you are managing thousands of builds
> and users, SourceSafe and its big brother Team Foundation Server is over
> featured and maybe a little over priced.
>


From df.waters at comcast.net  Sun Mar  3 16:33:02 2013
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 16:33:02 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Source control Access
In-Reply-To: <5133CDE0.5020903@gmail.com>
References: <009e01ce169b$9a348c00$ce9da400$@cactus.dk>	<2AD6645672DA432882DC3BCD0215ADC1@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<1362341530.681478665@f189.mail.ru>
	<5133CDE0.5020903@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001001ce185f$115c6270$34152750$@comcast.net>

I found a comparison of many different source control systems here:

http://better-scm.shlomifish.org/comparison/scm-comparison.xml

There are 20 questions, and answers are given for 30 different systems.

I didn't know the questions, let alone the answers - shows how much I have to learn!

Dan





From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sun Mar  3 16:33:18 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2013 17:33:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Source control Access
In-Reply-To: <00a001ce169f$09bbd940$1d338bc0$@cactus.dk>
References: <00a001ce169f$09bbd940$1d338bc0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <5133CFAE.8050905@gmail.com>

 >I think (haven't worked much with it) that most issues are related to multi-user use of VSS.

Well source control by definition should be multi-user.  And with the Borg it should be multi-hive.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 3/1/2013 12:05 PM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi John
>
> OK, that makes sense. However, I think (haven't worked much with it) that
> most issues are related to multi-user use of VSS.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John W Colby
> Sendt: 1. marts 2013 17:54
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Source control Access
>
> LOL, no.  Even MS gave up on Sourcesafe.  Google it and all you find (and I
> do mean ALL) is "it sucks so bad".
>
> One way or the other, they already use their own chosen SC system and so
> going out to get sourcesafe is a non-started.
>
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 3/1/2013 11:41 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
>> Hi John
>>
>>> .. I will not be using SourceSafe.
>> Then you will be reinventing the wheel. Is it a licensing issue?
>>
>> /gustav
>>
>> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John W Colby
>> Sendt: 1. marts 2013 17:16
>> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Emne: [AccessD] Source control Access
>>
>> Working for the Borg, I suddenly have a need to source control my
>> access projects.  Other than the data, everything in Access can be
>> easily dumped to text files, and from there pulled into a source
>> control package.  Before I go redesigning the wheel, I'm asking if
>> anyone out there has this functioning.  And no I will not be using
> SourceSafe.
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>   
>
>
>


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Sun Mar  3 16:36:09 2013
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 14:36:09 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Source control Access
In-Reply-To: <5133CF09.1010609@gmail.com>
References: <009e01ce169b$9a348c00$ce9da400$@cactus.dk>
	<2AD6645672DA432882DC3BCD0215ADC1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<5133CF09.1010609@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met8LgKaThZKV=ATdUjRcYp-VZtupavDDFaTwb+WU6Uimbw@mail.gmail.com>

John, are you suggesting your thread was hijacked??  Unthinkable! (not that
it would happen, just that you would suggest it)

Charlotte

On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 2:30 PM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> That is what I use.  Subversion and tortoise.  I finally figured out how
> to do it with a web based database as opposed to a file server.  It works
> really well for my limited needs.
>
> This thread was about the Borg however and they have their own system
> already in place.  I was really trying to discover the Access side of
> things.  Whether folks were using third party code integrated into Access
>  to perform the export (and import if used) or a "roll your own".
>
>
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
>
>

From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Mar  3 16:43:37 2013
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 22:43:37 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
In-Reply-To: <5131FD40.8030401@gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1j29SprAhAhb3QOz1Yc=YoWdjdyyv_1HkE936Z7mWmacQ@mail.gmail.com>,
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAJC7pyoHq6BMh61i+gvurovCgAAAEAAAAPCbozGeBxpGo5w20AfBhnsBAAAAAA==@gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B53441CE91@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>,
	<5130CEB3.30702@gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5436D1157@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<5131FD40.8030401@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5436D3905@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Haha, yeah, that would be true.  I did learn on Lotus 123, but Excel was a giant leap forward in UI when it finally got going in Windows 3.11

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
Sent: Sunday, 3 March 2013 12:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this

 >That said, Excel still holds the honour of the killer PC application that got the whole show out of the IT department and into the hands of everyday users. It really did give power to the people and I will always love it for that.

And here I thought Lotus 123 did that.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 3/1/2013 8:42 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
> Yep, with you 100% on that one John (or 110% as some Excel users I know would say ;) ).
>
> Personally I still think of these tools as I first did back in the early days of MS Office.  The database is for storing the data and shrinking down the vast raw data into the bits you require to look at via views / queries / whatever.
>
> Excel is for doing the analysis, Pivots, charting, number mashing and playing with scenarios.
>
> Word is for doing the final presentation (or maybe (god forbid), Powerpoint).
>
> Too many folks try to do it all in one application.
> I have seen spreadsheet attempted in word tables.
> Databases in Excel is real common.
> the list goes on...
>
> That said, Excel still holds the honour of the killer PC application that got the whole show out of the IT department and into the hands of everyday users.  It really did give power to the people and I will always love it for that.
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] on behalf of John W Colby 
> [jwcolby at gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, 2 March 2013 2:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>
>> us meek Excel hacks will be still be making money and in demand long after MS Access is retired from general use and Access devs are extinct.
> LOL, ain't that the truth.  I still prefer databases though.  Each has 
> its place, it's just that Excel so often ends up being turned into a 
> database which it doesn't Excel at (pun intended)
>
>
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 2/28/2013 8:48 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>> hehehehe, It is ok Bill, as an amatuer hack I am used to be insulted ;)  And whilst that maybe indeed the case we are mere dabblers in the dark arts of VBA - us meek Excel hacks will be still be making money and in demand long after MS Access is retired from general use and Access devs are extinct.
>>
>> So all good really ;) .  Arthur, please stick around on Excel - L, you will fit right in and your skills, experience and contributions will be appreciated.  Besides, I usually find you highly entertaining as well as educational - and not just with VBA stuff either.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Darryl.
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
>> [accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] on behalf of William Benson 
>> (VBACreations.Com) [vbacreations at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2013 9:04 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>>
>> Art, you take one thread (or a couple) and then kick an entire Listserv to
>> the curb? You ought to be ashamed   ;-)
>>
>> Plus you just insulted both me and Darryl...
>>
>> Meanie.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur 
>> Fuller
>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:11 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>>
>> For some reason I ended up joining a list about Excel 
>> EXCEL-L at peach.ease.lsoft.com),  mistaking it for one our our lists. 
>> Wow was I wrong/ These people need more than a lifetime of help. 
>> Unfortunately, as I age, I don't have that much time.. .
>>
>> To be fair, it's a user's group not a developer's group, and it does 
>> shed some light on the differenence.
>>
>> The scary part is that some of these people fancy themselves as 
>> "Quants", short for Quantitative Analysts, which means that they are 
>> risking the hard-earned money that others have made and invested in this or that fund.
>> And I am aware of many of their algorithms, having once worked for a 
>> Bermudian hedge fund, which at least had the sense to use SQL Server 
>> rather then Excel.
>>
>> This seriously frightens me. These Excel listers, save on or two, 
>> don't even know that there is a difference between a Range and an Array.
>>
>> The prospect that these people are playing with millions of dollars 
>> of money belonging to other people is truly frightening. The up-side 
>> is that I have invested zero dollars in the opinions of these fools; 
>> the down-side is that many several millions have, and I fear for their prospects.
>>
>> I guess what I am saying is this: if you want to realize what a 
>> valuable group this one is, just go visit that one for a minute or 
>> two. To think that these people are waging millions of other people's 
>> dollars on their "feelings" is ghastly.
>>
>> Hold onto your wallet; trust no one, especially if they come bearing 
>> a spreadsheet.Yes, there are tools available to audit spreadsheets, 
>> and I trust them. But in their absence. do not trust anyone. These 
>> people are jokers, fools or scammers. Take your pick.
>>
>> I do not fancy myself as an Excel guru. But once I learned the model, 
>> I had no problem doing some fancy footwork in Excel. Bur rhis goes to 
>> way that there is a difference between a programmer and a user. The 
>> frightening part is that users equipped with Excel are making 
>> decisions involving millions of other people's dollars.
>>
>> --
>> Arthur
>> Cell: 647.710.1314
>>
>> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>>     -- Niels Bohr
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From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Sun Mar  3 16:54:24 2013
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 16:54:24 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] New Approach
Message-ID: <201303032254.r23MsQ84025884@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey All

Thank you all kindly for your suggestions on venues I should be researching.
Just to let you know (some may say who cares), I have gone with and
purchased Alpha Five11.  It looks like it will take me forward.  I will
still be an ACCESS supporter and remain with this list (some may say "Hey
get lost").  Wish me luck on my new venture, and hopefully an old dog can
learn some new tricks.

 

Thanks for all your wonderful support

Tony Septav

Nanaimo, BC

Canada


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sun Mar  3 16:56:26 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2013 02:56:26 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Source_control_Access?=
In-Reply-To: <001001ce185f$115c6270$34152750$@comcast.net>
References: <009e01ce169b$9a348c00$ce9da400$@cactus.dk>
	<5133CDE0.5020903@gmail.com>
	<001001ce185f$115c6270$34152750$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1362351386.236085656@f164.mail.ru>

 Hi Dan --

Good list.

Use Mercurial or Git - have a look through the list, whose link you've posted, to see why Mercurial or Git are?preferable?if you're not using yet any SCC systems.

Thank you.

-- Shamil

???????????,  3 ????? 2013, 16:33 -06:00 ?? "Dan Waters" <df.waters at comcast.net>:
>I found a comparison of many different source control systems here:
>
>http://better-scm.shlomifish.org/comparison/scm-comparison.xml
>
>There are 20 questions, and answers are given for 30 different systems.
>
>I didn't know the questions, let alone the answers - shows how much I have to learn!
>
>Dan
>
>
>
>

From garykjos at gmail.com  Sun Mar  3 16:59:44 2013
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 16:59:44 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] New Approach
In-Reply-To: <201303032254.r23MsQ84025884@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <201303032254.r23MsQ84025884@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_p+MOi2xTcRjBcToMQ6_HFX9osSCaKGATzW7Pu3CwVeXpA@mail.gmail.com>

Good luck Tony and be sure and keep us informed on what we are missing!

GK

On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:
> Hey All
>
> Thank you all kindly for your suggestions on venues I should be researching.
> Just to let you know (some may say who cares), I have gone with and
> purchased Alpha Five11.  It looks like it will take me forward.  I will
> still be an ACCESS supporter and remain with this list (some may say "Hey
> get lost").  Wish me luck on my new venture, and hopefully an old dog can
> learn some new tricks.
>
>
>
> Thanks for all your wonderful support
>
> Tony Septav
>
> Nanaimo, BC
>
> Canada
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



-- 
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From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Sun Mar  3 17:05:00 2013
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 17:05:00 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] New Approach
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_p+MOi2xTcRjBcToMQ6_HFX9osSCaKGATzW7Pu3CwVeXpA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201303032305.r23N52ZN025963@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey Gary
As an old fart not wanting to spent a huge amount of time getting up and
running, "For sure" I will let the list know how I am doing. Sink or swim.

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: March-03-13 5:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

Good luck Tony and be sure and keep us informed on what we are missing!

GK

On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:
> Hey All
>
> Thank you all kindly for your suggestions on venues I should be
researching.
> Just to let you know (some may say who cares), I have gone with and
> purchased Alpha Five11.  It looks like it will take me forward.  I will
> still be an ACCESS supporter and remain with this list (some may say "Hey
> get lost").  Wish me luck on my new venture, and hopefully an old dog can
> learn some new tricks.
>
>
>
> Thanks for all your wonderful support
>
> Tony Septav
>
> Nanaimo, BC
>
> Canada
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Mar  3 17:17:35 2013
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 23:17:35 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] New Approach
In-Reply-To: <201303032305.r23N52ZN025963@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <CAJ2R_p+MOi2xTcRjBcToMQ6_HFX9osSCaKGATzW7Pu3CwVeXpA@mail.gmail.com>
	<201303032305.r23N52ZN025963@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5436D3A43@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

That would be appreciated.  I know Arthur speaks highly of that software so it will be good to hear your opinion as well.

Cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Monday, 4 March 2013 10:05 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

Hey Gary
As an old fart not wanting to spent a huge amount of time getting up and running, "For sure" I will let the list know how I am doing. Sink or swim.

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: March-03-13 5:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

Good luck Tony and be sure and keep us informed on what we are missing!

GK

On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:
> Hey All
>
> Thank you all kindly for your suggestions on venues I should be
researching.
> Just to let you know (some may say who cares), I have gone with and 
> purchased Alpha Five11.  It looks like it will take me forward.  I 
> will still be an ACCESS supporter and remain with this list (some may 
> say "Hey get lost").  Wish me luck on my new venture, and hopefully an 
> old dog can learn some new tricks.
>
>
>
> Thanks for all your wonderful support
>
> Tony Septav
>
> Nanaimo, BC
>
> Canada
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



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From df.waters at comcast.net  Sun Mar  3 19:34:16 2013
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 19:34:16 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Source control Access
In-Reply-To: <1362351386.236085656@f164.mail.ru>
References: <009e01ce169b$9a348c00$ce9da400$@cactus.dk>	<5133CDE0.5020903@gmail.com>	<001001ce185f$115c6270$34152750$@comcast.net>
	<1362351386.236085656@f164.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <000301ce1878$62a5fab0$27f1f010$@comcast.net>

Will do - thanks for the tip!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 4:56 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Source control Access

 Hi Dan --

Good list.

Use Mercurial or Git - have a look through the list, whose link you've posted, to see why Mercurial or Git are?preferable?if you're not using yet any SCC systems.

Thank you.

-- Shamil

???????????,  3 ????? 2013, 16:33 -06:00 ?? "Dan Waters" <df.waters at comcast.net>:
>I found a comparison of many different source control systems here:
>
>http://better-scm.shlomifish.org/comparison/scm-comparison.xml
>
>There are 20 questions, and answers are given for 30 different systems.
>
>I didn't know the questions, let alone the answers - shows how much I have to learn!
>
>Dan
>
>
>
>
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sun Mar  3 19:37:55 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 20:37:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1ijJv5HHufSXHKjrmQmatv=H7FfxmBLRD1Am2QqQ2koYQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <s132285f.056@cactus.dk>	<CAEPJO1grCHcuPMEvndHoFOAj4G-Rx5fzV9BngWwOWQ6u_PiqJg@mail.gmail.com>	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAJC7pyoHq6BMh61i+gvurovCgAAAEAAAAGN0fHneqCtIppD6ANSXSsMBAAAAAA==@gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1ijJv5HHufSXHKjrmQmatv=H7FfxmBLRD1Am2QqQ2koYQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I think you misunderstood.

My point was... that the writer of 2001 Space Odyssey (Arthur C Clarke)
might have been doing this person homage. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 1:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this

Hall Pollack was way before the movie, and also, let it be said, one of the
smartest people I have ever met.

A.

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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sun Mar  3 19:39:01 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 20:39:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5436D3905@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAEPJO1j29SprAhAhb3QOz1Yc=YoWdjdyyv_1HkE936Z7mWmacQ@mail.gmail.com>,
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAJC7pyoHq6BMh61i+gvurovCgAAAEAAAAPCbozGeBxpGo5w20AfBhnsBAAAAAA==@gmail.com>	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B53441CE91@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>,
	<5130CEB3.30702@gmail.com>	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5436D1157@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>	<5131FD40.8030401@gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5436D3905@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
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I will never forget making a FORTUNE the day IBM bought Lotus from me for 60
a share. I had no choice in the matter. The stock was gone, the money
appeared in my account. I made a huge return.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 5:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this

Haha, yeah, that would be true.  I did learn on Lotus 123, but Excel was a
giant leap forward in UI when it finally got going in Windows 3.11

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
Sent: Sunday, 3 March 2013 12:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this

 >That said, Excel still holds the honour of the killer PC application that
got the whole show out of the IT department and into the hands of everyday
users. It really did give power to the people and I will always love it for
that.

And here I thought Lotus 123 did that.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 3/1/2013 8:42 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
> Yep, with you 100% on that one John (or 110% as some Excel users I know
would say ;) ).
>
> Personally I still think of these tools as I first did back in the early
days of MS Office.  The database is for storing the data and shrinking down
the vast raw data into the bits you require to look at via views / queries /
whatever.
>
> Excel is for doing the analysis, Pivots, charting, number mashing and
playing with scenarios.
>
> Word is for doing the final presentation (or maybe (god forbid),
Powerpoint).
>
> Too many folks try to do it all in one application.
> I have seen spreadsheet attempted in word tables.
> Databases in Excel is real common.
> the list goes on...
>
> That said, Excel still holds the honour of the killer PC application that
got the whole show out of the IT department and into the hands of everyday
users.  It really did give power to the people and I will always love it for
that.
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] on behalf of John W Colby 
> [jwcolby at gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, 2 March 2013 2:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>
>> us meek Excel hacks will be still be making money and in demand long
after MS Access is retired from general use and Access devs are extinct.
> LOL, ain't that the truth.  I still prefer databases though.  Each has 
> its place, it's just that Excel so often ends up being turned into a 
> database which it doesn't Excel at (pun intended)
>
>
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 2/28/2013 8:48 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>> hehehehe, It is ok Bill, as an amatuer hack I am used to be insulted ;)
And whilst that maybe indeed the case we are mere dabblers in the dark arts
of VBA - us meek Excel hacks will be still be making money and in demand
long after MS Access is retired from general use and Access devs are
extinct.
>>
>> So all good really ;) .  Arthur, please stick around on Excel - L, you
will fit right in and your skills, experience and contributions will be
appreciated.  Besides, I usually find you highly entertaining as well as
educational - and not just with VBA stuff either.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Darryl.
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] on behalf of William Benson
>> (VBACreations.Com) [vbacreations at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2013 9:04 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>>
>> Art, you take one thread (or a couple) and then kick an entire Listserv
to
>> the curb? You ought to be ashamed   ;-)
>>
>> Plus you just insulted both me and Darryl...
>>
>> Meanie.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur 
>> Fuller
>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:11 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>>
>> For some reason I ended up joining a list about Excel 
>> EXCEL-L at peach.ease.lsoft.com),  mistaking it for one our our lists.
>> Wow was I wrong/ These people need more than a lifetime of help. 
>> Unfortunately, as I age, I don't have that much time.. .
>>
>> To be fair, it's a user's group not a developer's group, and it does 
>> shed some light on the differenence.
>>
>> The scary part is that some of these people fancy themselves as 
>> "Quants", short for Quantitative Analysts, which means that they are 
>> risking the hard-earned money that others have made and invested in this
or that fund.
>> And I am aware of many of their algorithms, having once worked for a 
>> Bermudian hedge fund, which at least had the sense to use SQL Server 
>> rather then Excel.
>>
>> This seriously frightens me. These Excel listers, save on or two, 
>> don't even know that there is a difference between a Range and an Array.
>>
>> The prospect that these people are playing with millions of dollars 
>> of money belonging to other people is truly frightening. The up-side 
>> is that I have invested zero dollars in the opinions of these fools; 
>> the down-side is that many several millions have, and I fear for their
prospects.
>>
>> I guess what I am saying is this: if you want to realize what a 
>> valuable group this one is, just go visit that one for a minute or 
>> two. To think that these people are waging millions of other people's 
>> dollars on their "feelings" is ghastly.
>>
>> Hold onto your wallet; trust no one, especially if they come bearing 
>> a spreadsheet.Yes, there are tools available to audit spreadsheets, 
>> and I trust them. But in their absence. do not trust anyone. These 
>> people are jokers, fools or scammers. Take your pick.
>>
>> I do not fancy myself as an Excel guru. But once I learned the model, 
>> I had no problem doing some fancy footwork in Excel. Bur rhis goes to 
>> way that there is a difference between a programmer and a user. The 
>> frightening part is that users equipped with Excel are making 
>> decisions involving millions of other people's dollars.
>>
>> --
>> Arthur
>> Cell: 647.710.1314
>>
>> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>>     -- Niels Bohr
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sun Mar  3 20:16:41 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 18:16:41 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Source control Access
In-Reply-To: <1362341530.681478665@f189.mail.ru>
References: <009e01ce169b$9a348c00$ce9da400$@cactus.dk>
	<2AD6645672DA432882DC3BCD0215ADC1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
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Shamil,

Git is free and open source. You can have as many users as you want.

You are likely thinking of Github, which is a separate entity and a hosting service for your projects git repositories.

The difference between the two is analogous to the difference between C#/.Net and Microsoft Azure, if that helps explain it.

- Hans


On 2013-03-03, at 12:12 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:

> Hi All --
> FYI: " Git or Mercurial. Free for 5 users."
> 
> https://bitbucket.org/
> 
> It works well for me.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> 
> ???????????,  3 ????? 2013, 11:04 -08:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>> Hi Guys:
>> 
>> You should try Subversion SVN, unless you are managing thousands of builds
>> and users, SourceSafe and its big brother Team Foundation Server is over
>> featured and maybe a little over priced. 
>> 
>> Many development houses I know of, use SVN all the time. Then there is a
>> product called Git which has been highly recommended as the heir apparent. 
>> On both the above products there are thousands of articles, tutorials and
>> solutions on deploying and using them. (Not that it would matter to this
>> group but the above two will also run on virtually any OS platform via
>> desktop, server, across the web or even through the Cloud.) 
>> 
>> Git downloads:  http://git-scm.com/downloads
>> 
>> Even hosting companies for Subversion allow you to run your development from
>> anywhere:  http://www.sliksvn.com/en/download (there is a free version but
>> you will have to pay for the extra space.) And it is expandable from one-off
>> to huge enterprises:  http://www.open.collab.net/downloads/subversion.html
>> 
>> Then there is Tortoise which encapsulates Subversion and allows it to be
>> easily hosted and run on Windows:  http://tortoisesvn.net/downloads.html
>> 
>> There are other great products out there that are equally effective but tend
>> to be targets towards particular development groups and cycles.
>> 
>> Jim
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar  4 00:04:18 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 22:04:18 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Source control Access
In-Reply-To: <001001ce185f$115c6270$34152750$@comcast.net>
References: <009e01ce169b$9a348c00$ce9da400$@cactus.dk>	<2AD6645672DA432882DC3BCD0215ADC1@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<1362341530.681478665@f189.mail.ru><5133CDE0.5020903@gmail.com>
	<001001ce185f$115c6270$34152750$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <B46920CC6EFE45C3BE7A0CEA13A77F3C@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Dan:

That is about the most definitive I have ever seen. There are just so many
options it is confusing.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 2:33 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Source control Access

I found a comparison of many different source control systems here:

http://better-scm.shlomifish.org/comparison/scm-comparison.xml

There are 20 questions, and answers are given for 30 different systems.

I didn't know the questions, let alone the answers - shows how much I have
to learn!

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar  4 00:05:39 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 22:05:39 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Source control Access
In-Reply-To: <1362341530.681478665@f189.mail.ru>
References: <009e01ce169b$9a348c00$ce9da400$@cactus.dk><2AD6645672DA432882DC3BCD0215ADC1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<1362341530.681478665@f189.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <88379B1416194039BA853AD51901B5B1@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Shamil:

It looks like a really nice Cloud based implementation.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 12:12 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Source control Access

 Hi All --
FYI: " Git or Mercurial. Free for 5 users."

https://bitbucket.org/

It works well for me.

-- Shamil


???????????,  3 ????? 2013, 11:04 -08:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence"
<accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi Guys:
>
>You should try Subversion SVN, unless you are managing thousands of builds
>and users, SourceSafe and its big brother Team Foundation Server is over
>featured and maybe a little over priced. 
>
>Many development houses I know of, use SVN all the time. Then there is a
>product called Git which has been highly recommended as the heir apparent. 
>On both the above products there are thousands of articles, tutorials and
>solutions on deploying and using them. (Not that it would matter to this
>group but the above two will also run on virtually any OS platform via
>desktop, server, across the web or even through the Cloud.) 
>
>Git downloads:  http://git-scm.com/downloads
>
>Even hosting companies for Subversion allow you to run your development
from
>anywhere:  http://www.sliksvn.com/en/download (there is a free version but
>you will have to pay for the extra space.) And it is expandable from
one-off
>to huge enterprises:  http://www.open.collab.net/downloads/subversion.html
>
>Then there is Tortoise which encapsulates Subversion and allows it to be
>easily hosted and run on Windows:  http://tortoisesvn.net/downloads.html
>
>There are other great products out there that are equally effective but
tend
>to be targets towards particular development groups and cycles.
>
>Jim
<<< skipped >>>
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Mon Mar  4 01:18:07 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 23:18:07 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Source control Access
In-Reply-To: <88379B1416194039BA853AD51901B5B1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <009e01ce169b$9a348c00$ce9da400$@cactus.dk>
	<2AD6645672DA432882DC3BCD0215ADC1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<1362341530.681478665@f189.mail.ru>
	<88379B1416194039BA853AD51901B5B1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <CAA64FD7-1A7B-4B9D-A29A-8D5CA63F8ACF@phulse.com>

Oooh, so that's what Shamil meant. It just dawned on me that I totally misinterpreted what he said.

Bitbucket seems cool (but GitHub is where all the cool cats hang out these days ;) ).

Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen


On 3 Mar 2013, at 22:05, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Shamil:
> 
> It looks like a really nice Cloud based implementation.
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> Shamil
> Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 12:12 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Source control Access
> 
> Hi All --
> FYI: " Git or Mercurial. Free for 5 users."
> 
> https://bitbucket.org/
> 
> It works well for me.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> 
> ???????????,  3 ????? 2013, 11:04 -08:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence"
> <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>> Hi Guys:
>> 
>> You should try Subversion SVN, unless you are managing thousands of builds
>> and users, SourceSafe and its big brother Team Foundation Server is over
>> featured and maybe a little over priced. 
>> 
>> Many development houses I know of, use SVN all the time. Then there is a
>> product called Git which has been highly recommended as the heir apparent. 
>> On both the above products there are thousands of articles, tutorials and
>> solutions on deploying and using them. (Not that it would matter to this
>> group but the above two will also run on virtually any OS platform via
>> desktop, server, across the web or even through the Cloud.) 
>> 
>> Git downloads:  http://git-scm.com/downloads
>> 
>> Even hosting companies for Subversion allow you to run your development
> from
>> anywhere:  http://www.sliksvn.com/en/download (there is a free version but
>> you will have to pay for the extra space.) And it is expandable from
> one-off
>> to huge enterprises:  http://www.open.collab.net/downloads/subversion.html
>> 
>> Then there is Tortoise which encapsulates Subversion and allows it to be
>> easily hosted and run on Windows:  http://tortoisesvn.net/downloads.html
>> 
>> There are other great products out there that are equally effective but
> tend
>> to be targets towards particular development groups and cycles.
>> 
>> Jim
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Mon Mar  4 03:05:47 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2013 13:05:47 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Source_control_Access?=
In-Reply-To: <6BBDCBF5-E71F-40F5-AC38-74C3A94B748E@phulse.com>
References: <009e01ce169b$9a348c00$ce9da400$@cactus.dk>
	<1362341530.681478665@f189.mail.ru>
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Message-ID: <1362387947.854926152@m.mail.ru>

Hans,

I meant using Git or Mercurial with Bitbuckets. Free for 5 users.

Shamil

???????????,  3 ????? 2013, 18:16 -08:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
> Shamil,
> 
> Git is free and open source. You can have as many users as you want.
> 
> You are likely thinking of Github, which is a separate entity and a hosting
> service for your projects git repositories.
> 
> The difference between the two is analogous to the difference between C#/.Net
> and Microsoft Azure, if that helps explain it.
> 
> - Hans
> 
> 
> On 2013-03-03, at 12:12 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:
> 
> > Hi All --
> > FYI: " Git or Mercurial. Free for 5 users."
> > 
> > https://bitbucket.org/
> > 
> > It works well for me.
> > 
> > -- Shamil
> > 
> > 
> > ???????????,  3 ????? 2013, 11:04 -08:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence"
> <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> >> Hi Guys:
> >> 
> >> You should try Subversion SVN, unless you are managing thousands of builds
> >> and users, SourceSafe and its big brother Team Foundation Server is over
> >> featured and maybe a little over priced. 
> >> 
> >> Many development houses I know of, use SVN all the time. Then there is a
> >> product called Git which has been highly recommended as the heir apparent. 
> >> On both the above products there are thousands of articles, tutorials and
> >> solutions on deploying and using them. (Not that it would matter to this
> >> group but the above two will also run on virtually any OS platform via
> >> desktop, server, across the web or even through the Cloud.) 
> >> 
> >> Git downloads:  http://git-scm.com/downloads
> >> 
> >> Even hosting companies for Subversion allow you to run your development
> from
> >> anywhere:  http://www.sliksvn.com/en/download (there is a free version but
> >> you will have to pay for the extra space.) And it is expandable from
> one-off
> >> to huge enterprises:  http://www.open.collab.net/downloads/subversion.html
> >> 
> >> Then there is Tortoise which encapsulates Subversion and allows it to be
> >> easily hosted and run on Windows:  http://tortoisesvn.net/downloads.html
> >> 
> >> There are other great products out there that are equally effective but
> tend
> >> to be targets towards particular development groups and cycles.
> >> 
> >> Jim
> > <<< skipped >>>
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Mon Mar  4 04:35:08 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2013 14:35:08 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Source_control_Access?=
In-Reply-To: <CAA64FD7-1A7B-4B9D-A29A-8D5CA63F8ACF@phulse.com>
References: <009e01ce169b$9a348c00$ce9da400$@cactus.dk>
	<88379B1416194039BA853AD51901B5B1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
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Message-ID: <1362393308.266105004@f92.mail.ru>

 Hans,

I'm using Mercurial for four+ years and Bitbuckets provides *unlimited* *private* repositories *free for five users*.
Github doesn't have such an option. (I first planned to use Github for my cloud SCC repository and I even wanted to move my local SCC repositories from Mercurial to Git but then I have found Bitbuckets and I'm more than happy with it. :))

-- Shamil


???????????,  3 ????? 2013, 23:18 -08:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
>Oooh, so that's what Shamil meant. It just dawned on me that I totally misinterpreted what he said.
>
>Bitbucket seems cool (but GitHub is where all the cool cats hang out these days ;) ).
>
>Best regards,
>Hans-Christian Andersen
>
>
>On 3 Mar 2013, at 22:05, "Jim Lawrence" < accessd at shaw.ca > wrote:
>
>> Hi Shamil:
>> 
>> It looks like a really nice Cloud based implementation.
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:  accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>> Shamil
>> Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 12:12 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Source control Access
>> 
>> Hi All --
>> FYI: " Git or Mercurial. Free for 5 users."
>> 
>>  https://bitbucket.org/
>> 
>> It works well for me.
>> 
>> -- Shamil
>> 
>> 
>> ???????????,  3 ????? 2013, 11:04 -08:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence"
>> < accessd at shaw.ca >:
>>> Hi Guys:
>>> 
>>> You should try Subversion SVN, unless you are managing thousands of builds
>>> and users, SourceSafe and its big brother Team Foundation Server is over
>>> featured and maybe a little over priced. 
>>> 
>>> Many development houses I know of, use SVN all the time. Then there is a
>>> product called Git which has been highly recommended as the heir apparent. 
>>> On both the above products there are thousands of articles, tutorials and
>>> solutions on deploying and using them. (Not that it would matter to this
>>> group but the above two will also run on virtually any OS platform via
>>> desktop, server, across the web or even through the Cloud.) 
>>> 
>>> Git downloads:  http://git-scm.com/downloads
>>> 
>>> Even hosting companies for Subversion allow you to run your development
>> from
>>> anywhere:  http://www.sliksvn.com/en/download (there is a free version but
>>> you will have to pay for the extra space.) And it is expandable from
>> one-off
>>> to huge enterprises:  http://www.open.collab.net/downloads/subversion.html
>>> 
>>> Then there is Tortoise which encapsulates Subversion and allows it to be
>>> easily hosted and run on Windows:  http://tortoisesvn.net/downloads.html
>>> 
>>> There are other great products out there that are equally effective but
>> tend
>>> to be targets towards particular development groups and cycles.
>>> 
>>> Jim
>> <<< skipped >>>
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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Mon Mar  4 08:36:25 2013
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 08:36:25 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] New Approach
References: <201303032254.r23MsQ84025884@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C5018994BB@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

All,

This is probably a really dumb question.

If a small firm has existing desktop-based applications (including
applications built with Access) AND
there is no need to have these "internal" applications visible on the
internet, is there a need to look at software products such as Alpha-5?

Won't Access be around for a long time for such internal applications?

Brad  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 4:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] New Approach

Hey All

Thank you all kindly for your suggestions on venues I should be
researching.
Just to let you know (some may say who cares), I have gone with and
purchased Alpha Five11.  It looks like it will take me forward.  I will
still be an ACCESS supporter and remain with this list (some may say
"Hey
get lost").  Wish me luck on my new venture, and hopefully an old dog
can
learn some new tricks.

 

Thanks for all your wonderful support

Tony Septav

Nanaimo, BC

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From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Mon Mar  4 09:19:45 2013
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 09:19:45 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] New Approach
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C5018994BB@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <201303041519.r24FJmf8028087@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey Brad
I would not have looked at Alpha5 for desktop-based applications (I am
proficient with Access and I like it). But lately perspective new clients
have been asking if they can also have a web version of the application. The
times they are a changing.

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: March-04-13 8:36 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

All,

This is probably a really dumb question.

If a small firm has existing desktop-based applications (including
applications built with Access) AND
there is no need to have these "internal" applications visible on the
internet, is there a need to look at software products such as Alpha-5?

Won't Access be around for a long time for such internal applications?

Brad  

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 4:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] New Approach

Hey All

Thank you all kindly for your suggestions on venues I should be
researching.
Just to let you know (some may say who cares), I have gone with and
purchased Alpha Five11.  It looks like it will take me forward.  I will
still be an ACCESS supporter and remain with this list (some may say
"Hey
get lost").  Wish me luck on my new venture, and hopefully an old dog
can
learn some new tricks.

 

Thanks for all your wonderful support

Tony Septav

Nanaimo, BC

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From df.waters at comcast.net  Mon Mar  4 09:37:01 2013
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 09:37:01 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] New Approach
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C5018994BB@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <201303032254.r23MsQ84025884@databaseadvisors.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C5018994BB@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <003901ce18ee$1d740970$585c1c50$@comcast.net>

Hi Brad,

Access should be around for a long time, but because people want to open the
system on their laptops when they are away from the office, Access may not
be the best platform for an application that everyone uses.

You have sort of 3 choices (by increasing complexity):

1) Convert your Access tables to SQL Server and rewrite the Access
application to connect to SQL server w/o using table links.  IOW, write your
connection code within the app.  External users will connect via VPN to your
network.

2) Convert your access tables to SQL Server and rewrite the application in
VB.Net or C#.  This is a good choice but a significant learning curve.
External users will connect via VPN to your network.

3) Rewrite everything and create a web site.  Users will connect directly to
that site.

Hope this helps!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 8:36 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

All,

This is probably a really dumb question.

If a small firm has existing desktop-based applications (including
applications built with Access) AND there is no need to have these
"internal" applications visible on the internet, is there a need to look at
software products such as Alpha-5?

Won't Access be around for a long time for such internal applications?

Brad  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 4:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] New Approach

Hey All

Thank you all kindly for your suggestions on venues I should be researching.
Just to let you know (some may say who cares), I have gone with and
purchased Alpha Five11.  It looks like it will take me forward.  I will
still be an ACCESS supporter and remain with this list (some may say "Hey
get lost").  Wish me luck on my new venture, and hopefully an old dog can
learn some new tricks.

 

Thanks for all your wonderful support

Tony Septav

Nanaimo, BC

Canada

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Mar  4 09:48:11 2013
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 15:48:11 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [AccessD] New Approach
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C5018994BB@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <201303032254.r23MsQ84025884@databaseadvisors.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C5018994BB@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <1900191318.72615.1362412091431.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk>

Hi Brad

I've been living with this situation for years, kind of, in that I support
several Access apps at a medium-sized company. A number of these apps run on
Access 97, which hasn't been "around" for a long time. And that's the nub
really. What does "being around" really mean (without getting all metaphysical
about it)?

1. MS don't support it. To me this is an irrelevance as I don't ask for their
support. This list is way better than that. My client doesn't know or care. I am
his support (but see point 4).

2.There are no new Service Packs. Glory be!

3. Can you still buy copies of the required version of Access? You need to think
about that one. You may need to stockpile copies. PC's will need replacing and
you need to be able to install the right Access on them.

4. Will future OS's support your version of Access? Impossible to say but the
track record's good. As I say I'm still running Access 97 and we're onto W7 no
problem.

5. From the client's point-of-view can he get backup support if you fall under a
bus (heaven forbid)? That's unlikely to be a problem for many years to come,
although once us oldies on this list all retire.... :-)

IMO if the apps are stable and you are around to support and modify as needed
there's no great issue. If my experience is anything to go by a smallish client
will be happy to leave working applications well alone with the minimum of
tinkering and may be spooked by any talk of porting to another software
platform. Ok, call me a Luddite.

Andy




> On 04 March 2013 at 14:36 Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com> wrote:
>
>
> All,
>
> This is probably a really dumb question.
>
> If a small firm has existing desktop-based applications (including
> applications built with Access) AND
> there is no need to have these "internal" applications visible on the
> internet, is there a need to look at software products such as Alpha-5?
>
> Won't Access be around for a long time for such internal applications?
>
> Brad
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
> Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 4:54 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] New Approach
>
> Hey All
>
> Thank you all kindly for your suggestions on venues I should be
> researching.
> Just to let you know (some may say who cares), I have gone with and
> purchased Alpha Five11. It looks like it will take me forward. I will
> still be an ACCESS supporter and remain with this list (some may say
> "Hey
> get lost"). Wish me luck on my new venture, and hopefully an old dog
> can
> learn some new tricks.
>
>
>
> Thanks for all your wonderful support
>
> Tony Septav
>
> Nanaimo, BC
>
> Canada
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Mar  4 10:22:29 2013
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2013 11:22:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] New Approach
In-Reply-To: <003901ce18ee$1d740970$585c1c50$@comcast.net>
References: <201303032254.r23MsQ84025884@databaseadvisors.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C5018994BB@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<003901ce18ee$1d740970$585c1c50$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1E40B6B80F1743208C778F270B2D3EF0@XPS>

Dan,

 There are more choices then that...

1. Use terminal services to run the apps.

2. Use a service like www.eqldata.com for remote users.

 And there's no reason you can't use linked tables and ODCB over the
internet.  You do need to write things differently, but you can live with
ODBC.

 On Brad's question, while desktop databases are not going away anytime
soon, it does seem like Microsoft has no intention of improving them.

 I think you'll see some improvements, but I believe they will be minor in
nature.

 Microsoft has one focus at the moment, and that's the web.  Anything they
can do in that area will have priority.  One only needs to look at Access
2013 to see this; everything was on the web side and nothing was done on the
desktop side. That's a trend I believe you will see continue.

 If your not un-happy with desktop databases as is in 2013, then your good.
But if your looking for improvements, I don't think you'll see them unless
they happen to be related to a web feature.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 10:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

Hi Brad,

Access should be around for a long time, but because people want to open the
system on their laptops when they are away from the office, Access may not
be the best platform for an application that everyone uses.

You have sort of 3 choices (by increasing complexity):

1) Convert your Access tables to SQL Server and rewrite the Access
application to connect to SQL server w/o using table links.  IOW, write your
connection code within the app.  External users will connect via VPN to your
network.

2) Convert your access tables to SQL Server and rewrite the application in
VB.Net or C#.  This is a good choice but a significant learning curve.
External users will connect via VPN to your network.

3) Rewrite everything and create a web site.  Users will connect directly to
that site.

Hope this helps!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 8:36 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

All,

This is probably a really dumb question.

If a small firm has existing desktop-based applications (including
applications built with Access) AND there is no need to have these
"internal" applications visible on the internet, is there a need to look at
software products such as Alpha-5?

Won't Access be around for a long time for such internal applications?

Brad  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 4:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] New Approach

Hey All

Thank you all kindly for your suggestions on venues I should be researching.
Just to let you know (some may say who cares), I have gone with and
purchased Alpha Five11.  It looks like it will take me forward.  I will
still be an ACCESS supporter and remain with this list (some may say "Hey
get lost").  Wish me luck on my new venture, and hopefully an old dog can
learn some new tricks.

 

Thanks for all your wonderful support

Tony Septav

Nanaimo, BC

Canada

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From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Mon Mar  4 10:56:55 2013
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 10:56:55 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] New Approach
In-Reply-To: <003901ce18ee$1d740970$585c1c50$@comcast.net>
References: <201303032254.r23MsQ84025884@databaseadvisors.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C5018994BB@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<003901ce18ee$1d740970$585c1c50$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701F38FB81@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>

I've read a little about Access 2007/2010 being able to run with
linked/cached tables to a Sharepoint site, and can run disconnected from
the network/internet,  then when reconnected to the network, the tables
will synch up with the Sharepoint database.

Has anyone else heard of this and are you using it?  How well does it
work?  I've heard it works really well but don't know what the
limitations are (if any).

Rusty


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 9:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

Hi Brad,

Access should be around for a long time, but because people want to open
the system on their laptops when they are away from the office, Access
may not be the best platform for an application that everyone uses.

You have sort of 3 choices (by increasing complexity):

1) Convert your Access tables to SQL Server and rewrite the Access
application to connect to SQL server w/o using table links.  IOW, write
your connection code within the app.  External users will connect via
VPN to your network.

2) Convert your access tables to SQL Server and rewrite the application
in VB.Net or C#.  This is a good choice but a significant learning
curve.
External users will connect via VPN to your network.

3) Rewrite everything and create a web site.  Users will connect
directly to that site.

Hope this helps!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 8:36 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

All,

This is probably a really dumb question.

If a small firm has existing desktop-based applications (including
applications built with Access) AND there is no need to have these
"internal" applications visible on the internet, is there a need to look
at software products such as Alpha-5?

Won't Access be around for a long time for such internal applications?

Brad  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 4:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] New Approach

Hey All

Thank you all kindly for your suggestions on venues I should be
researching.
Just to let you know (some may say who cares), I have gone with and
purchased Alpha Five11.  It looks like it will take me forward.  I will
still be an ACCESS supporter and remain with this list (some may say
"Hey get lost").  Wish me luck on my new venture, and hopefully an old
dog can learn some new tricks.

 

Thanks for all your wonderful support

Tony Septav

Nanaimo, BC

Canada

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Mar  4 11:07:46 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 09:07:46 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Display image from hyperlink
Message-ID: <DBEC083401E846F09FBD2D80614E8C05@HAL9007>

Dear List:
 
I have a question from someone who needs to display an image in an Access
form.  If it was a local file that would be no problem.  I've done that. But
the source for the image is a URL. 
 
I tried making the url the control source of an image control but it won't
take it - say it can't open the file.  I did set picture type to linked.
 
Is there an easy way to do this?
 
TIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

From vbacreations at gmail.com  Mon Mar  4 11:15:10 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 06:15:10 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Display image from hyperlink
In-Reply-To: <DBEC083401E846F09FBD2D80614E8C05@HAL9007>
References: <DBEC083401E846F09FBD2D80614E8C05@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V7nKh-D99zmBkJnaVC4-PZ+ti9Zh31MTh-Svbv9PHWjoA@mail.gmail.com>

Czn you automate downloading the image then adding to form control from
downloads folder?
On Mar 4, 2013 12:08 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Dear List:
>
> I have a question from someone who needs to display an image in an Access
> form.  If it was a local file that would be no problem.  I've done that.
> But
> the source for the image is a URL.
>
> I tried making the url the control source of an image control but it won't
> take it - say it can't open the file.  I did set picture type to linked.
>
> Is there an easy way to do this?
>
> TIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/>
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
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From davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com  Mon Mar  4 11:20:22 2013
From: davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com (David A Gibson)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 11:20:22 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Display image from hyperlink
In-Reply-To: <DBEC083401E846F09FBD2D80614E8C05@HAL9007>
References: <DBEC083401E846F09FBD2D80614E8C05@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <00db01ce18fc$8dca1760$a95e4620$@gmail.com>

You didn't mention what version but...  Haven't tried it but a web browser
control seems to be the suggection.

http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/access-help/video-add-web-browsing-to-a-fo
rm-VA101814124.aspx

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5208376/load-web-images-to-ms-access-form
s

http://superuser.com/questions/119830/how-can-i-display-images-on-a-ms-acces
s-2007-form-with-a-hyperlink-source

David Gibson

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 11:08 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Display image from hyperlink

Dear List:
 
I have a question from someone who needs to display an image in an Access
form.  If it was a local file that would be no problem.  I've done that. But
the source for the image is a URL. 
 
I tried making the url the control source of an image control but it won't
take it - say it can't open the file.  I did set picture type to linked.
 
Is there an easy way to do this?
 
TIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Mon Mar  4 11:22:59 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2013 12:22:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Display image from hyperlink
In-Reply-To: <00db01ce18fc$8dca1760$a95e4620$@gmail.com>
References: <DBEC083401E846F09FBD2D80614E8C05@HAL9007>
	<00db01ce18fc$8dca1760$a95e4620$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5134D873.8010502@gmail.com>

This is the method I have used.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 3/4/2013 12:20 PM, David A Gibson wrote:
> You didn't mention what version but...  Haven't tried it but a web browser
> control seems to be the suggection.
>
> http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/access-help/video-add-web-browsing-to-a-fo
> rm-VA101814124.aspx
>
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5208376/load-web-images-to-ms-access-form
> s
>
> http://superuser.com/questions/119830/how-can-i-display-images-on-a-ms-acces
> s-2007-form-with-a-hyperlink-source
>
> David Gibson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 11:08 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Display image from hyperlink
>
> Dear List:
>   
> I have a question from someone who needs to display an image in an Access
> form.  If it was a local file that would be no problem.  I've done that. But
> the source for the image is a URL.
>   
> I tried making the url the control source of an image control but it won't
> take it - say it can't open the file.  I did set picture type to linked.
>   
> Is there an easy way to do this?
>   
> TIA
>   
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>   
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From df.waters at comcast.net  Mon Mar  4 11:31:48 2013
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 11:31:48 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] New Approach
In-Reply-To: <1E40B6B80F1743208C778F270B2D3EF0@XPS>
References: <201303032254.r23MsQ84025884@databaseadvisors.com>	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C5018994BB@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>	<003901ce18ee$1d740970$585c1c50$@comcast.net>
	<1E40B6B80F1743208C778F270B2D3EF0@XPS>
Message-ID: <005a01ce18fe$26bec780$743c5680$@comcast.net>

Hi Jim,

One of my larger customers uses Citrix - they are successful with it but my
smaller customers have limited IT resources.  I don't think that
Citrix/Terminal services is feasible w/o good IT resources.

I use ODBC tables with one of my customers, and I haven't done any
rewriting.  The only thing I've found that I can't do is Transactions!  That
was a disappointment.

I was thinking of writing command and connection code, which doesn't need
table links anyway.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 10:22 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

Dan,

 There are more choices then that...

1. Use terminal services to run the apps.

2. Use a service like www.eqldata.com for remote users.

 And there's no reason you can't use linked tables and ODCB over the
internet.  You do need to write things differently, but you can live with
ODBC.

 On Brad's question, while desktop databases are not going away anytime
soon, it does seem like Microsoft has no intention of improving them.

 I think you'll see some improvements, but I believe they will be minor in
nature.

 Microsoft has one focus at the moment, and that's the web.  Anything they
can do in that area will have priority.  One only needs to look at Access
2013 to see this; everything was on the web side and nothing was done on the
desktop side. That's a trend I believe you will see continue.

 If your not un-happy with desktop databases as is in 2013, then your good.
But if your looking for improvements, I don't think you'll see them unless
they happen to be related to a web feature.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 10:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

Hi Brad,

Access should be around for a long time, but because people want to open the
system on their laptops when they are away from the office, Access may not
be the best platform for an application that everyone uses.

You have sort of 3 choices (by increasing complexity):

1) Convert your Access tables to SQL Server and rewrite the Access
application to connect to SQL server w/o using table links.  IOW, write your
connection code within the app.  External users will connect via VPN to your
network.

2) Convert your access tables to SQL Server and rewrite the application in
VB.Net or C#.  This is a good choice but a significant learning curve.
External users will connect via VPN to your network.

3) Rewrite everything and create a web site.  Users will connect directly to
that site.

Hope this helps!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 8:36 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

All,

This is probably a really dumb question.

If a small firm has existing desktop-based applications (including
applications built with Access) AND there is no need to have these
"internal" applications visible on the internet, is there a need to look at
software products such as Alpha-5?

Won't Access be around for a long time for such internal applications?

Brad  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 4:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] New Approach

Hey All

Thank you all kindly for your suggestions on venues I should be researching.
Just to let you know (some may say who cares), I have gone with and
purchased Alpha Five11.  It looks like it will take me forward.  I will
still be an ACCESS supporter and remain with this list (some may say "Hey
get lost").  Wish me luck on my new venture, and hopefully an old dog can
learn some new tricks.

 

Thanks for all your wonderful support

Tony Septav

Nanaimo, BC

Canada

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Mar  4 11:43:27 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 09:43:27 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Display image from hyperlink
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V7nKh-D99zmBkJnaVC4-PZ+ti9Zh31MTh-Svbv9PHWjoA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DBEC083401E846F09FBD2D80614E8C05@HAL9007>
	<CAGuQ9V7nKh-D99zmBkJnaVC4-PZ+ti9Zh31MTh-Svbv9PHWjoA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E36EE18AEC1B4365B014DA2818267B28@HAL9007>

Possible I suppose but not sure that's acceptable to the user.  How would
you download and save it without any messages popping up?

TIA

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 9:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Display image from hyperlink

Czn you automate downloading the image then adding to form control from
downloads folder?
On Mar 4, 2013 12:08 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Dear List:
>
> I have a question from someone who needs to display an image in an 
> Access form.  If it was a local file that would be no problem.  I've done
that.
> But
> the source for the image is a URL.
>
> I tried making the url the control source of an image control but it 
> won't take it - say it can't open the file.  I did set picture type to
linked.
>
> Is there an easy way to do this?
>
> TIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com 
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar  4 11:58:56 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 09:58:56 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] New Approach
In-Reply-To: <1E40B6B80F1743208C778F270B2D3EF0@XPS>
References: <201303032254.r23MsQ84025884@databaseadvisors.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C5018994BB@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><003901ce18ee$1d740970$585c1c50$@comcast.net>
	<1E40B6B80F1743208C778F270B2D3EF0@XPS>
Message-ID: <8E32FE0DDC0C443482C11964539C91CD@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Guys:

To add to your comments there are other methods that you can experiment
with.

I know what you are going to say but why not try a Linux distro? Linux is
definitely the rising star in the computer industry.
 
First, all you will need is a computer or one that you are fine with dual
booting. 4GB of RAM and 100GB hard drive is more than adequate especially if
you are going to be hosting multiple instances of various versions of MS
Access. For full terminal features like shareware you will need an extra LAN
card so you will have two.

My personal choice of Linux distro is Ubuntu 12.04 (there is a 13.x version
out there but too bleeding edge...) How to install it and how difficult is
it? It is like installing Windows but easier. http://www.ubuntu.com/download

You what the desktop version though there are very little (no) differences
other than cosmetic between desktop and server. They are both fully
multi-user and use the same kernel.

Second, once installed check to see if you have the latest version of Wine.
That is the Linux package that allows you to run Windows application. 
The latest versions:
http://www.noobslab.com/2012/06/install-wine-156-in-ubuntu-1204.html
Can it run MS Access? Here are the versions that it can run and be
installed:
http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=12
You will have to do a little tinkering:
http://askubuntu.com/questions/156296/how-to-install-microsoft-office-2010-i
n-ubuntu-12-04 (Once installed it will run significantly faster than on a
similarly equipped Windows computer.)
       
Third, install a full terminal (thin client) capabilities. You will need to
add a number of users, how every many in the office or internet will be
using the MS Access and terminal a package. This is where the two LAN cards
become crucial and this is not for the faint of heart but it is no more
difficult than install a Windows server. There are a number of ways to
approach this but this decryption seems the simplest:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ThinClientHowtoNAT/ and
http://www.thefanclub.co.za/how-to/how-create-ubuntu-1104-x64-ltsp-server-32
bit-thin-clients
(This is as far as I got as my 30 GB Linux test machine ran out of hard
drive space (unrelated to this install) and I ran out of time but later in
the month this should all be up and running.)

So why would you do this? Well then ask yourself how did the fellow at
www.eqldata.com do it all? I posted a link to an browser page written by the
developer and his explanation is similar (same). He has built a very nice
interface with all the bells and whistles as well but on the cheap and for
your own business you can just roll your own and run your Access
applications indefinitely.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 8:22 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

Dan,

 There are more choices then that...

1. Use terminal services to run the apps.

2. Use a service like www.eqldata.com for remote users.

 And there's no reason you can't use linked tables and ODCB over the
internet.  You do need to write things differently, but you can live with
ODBC.

 On Brad's question, while desktop databases are not going away anytime
soon, it does seem like Microsoft has no intention of improving them.

 I think you'll see some improvements, but I believe they will be minor in
nature.

 Microsoft has one focus at the moment, and that's the web.  Anything they
can do in that area will have priority.  One only needs to look at Access
2013 to see this; everything was on the web side and nothing was done on the
desktop side. That's a trend I believe you will see continue.

 If your not un-happy with desktop databases as is in 2013, then your good.
But if your looking for improvements, I don't think you'll see them unless
they happen to be related to a web feature.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 10:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

Hi Brad,

Access should be around for a long time, but because people want to open the
system on their laptops when they are away from the office, Access may not
be the best platform for an application that everyone uses.

You have sort of 3 choices (by increasing complexity):

1) Convert your Access tables to SQL Server and rewrite the Access
application to connect to SQL server w/o using table links.  IOW, write your
connection code within the app.  External users will connect via VPN to your
network.

2) Convert your access tables to SQL Server and rewrite the application in
VB.Net or C#.  This is a good choice but a significant learning curve.
External users will connect via VPN to your network.

3) Rewrite everything and create a web site.  Users will connect directly to
that site.

Hope this helps!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 8:36 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

All,

This is probably a really dumb question.

If a small firm has existing desktop-based applications (including
applications built with Access) AND there is no need to have these
"internal" applications visible on the internet, is there a need to look at
software products such as Alpha-5?

Won't Access be around for a long time for such internal applications?



From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Mar  4 12:49:02 2013
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2013 13:49:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] New Approach
In-Reply-To: <8E32FE0DDC0C443482C11964539C91CD@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <201303032254.r23MsQ84025884@databaseadvisors.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C5018994BB@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><003901ce18ee$1d740970$585c1c50$@comcast.net>
	<1E40B6B80F1743208C778F270B2D3EF0@XPS>
	<8E32FE0DDC0C443482C11964539C91CD@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <FC18AD08C1334336A8E66F74487D79BB@XPS>


 Last time I checked (and my info may be out of date), but it goes again the
EULA to run Office apps on anything other then Windows.

<<Well then ask yourself how did the fellow at
www.eqldata.com do it all? >>

 Actually, I posted a link a while ago with a posting from one of the two
partners and it revealed in detail how they actually did it.

 So far, Microsoft hasn't gone after them and since they've been in business
since 2009, probably don't have a legal leg to stand on (I know their aware
of them).

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 12:59 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

Hi Guys:

To add to your comments there are other methods that you can experiment
with.

I know what you are going to say but why not try a Linux distro? Linux is
definitely the rising star in the computer industry.
 
First, all you will need is a computer or one that you are fine with dual
booting. 4GB of RAM and 100GB hard drive is more than adequate especially if
you are going to be hosting multiple instances of various versions of MS
Access. For full terminal features like shareware you will need an extra LAN
card so you will have two.

My personal choice of Linux distro is Ubuntu 12.04 (there is a 13.x version
out there but too bleeding edge...) How to install it and how difficult is
it? It is like installing Windows but easier. http://www.ubuntu.com/download

You what the desktop version though there are very little (no) differences
other than cosmetic between desktop and server. They are both fully
multi-user and use the same kernel.

Second, once installed check to see if you have the latest version of Wine.
That is the Linux package that allows you to run Windows application. 
The latest versions:
http://www.noobslab.com/2012/06/install-wine-156-in-ubuntu-1204.html
Can it run MS Access? Here are the versions that it can run and be
installed:
http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=12
You will have to do a little tinkering:
http://askubuntu.com/questions/156296/how-to-install-microsoft-office-2010-i
n-ubuntu-12-04 (Once installed it will run significantly faster than on a
similarly equipped Windows computer.)
       
Third, install a full terminal (thin client) capabilities. You will need to
add a number of users, how every many in the office or internet will be
using the MS Access and terminal a package. This is where the two LAN cards
become crucial and this is not for the faint of heart but it is no more
difficult than install a Windows server. There are a number of ways to
approach this but this decryption seems the simplest:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ThinClientHowtoNAT/ and
http://www.thefanclub.co.za/how-to/how-create-ubuntu-1104-x64-ltsp-server-32
bit-thin-clients
(This is as far as I got as my 30 GB Linux test machine ran out of hard
drive space (unrelated to this install) and I ran out of time but later in
the month this should all be up and running.)

So why would you do this? Well then ask yourself how did the fellow at
www.eqldata.com do it all? I posted a link to an browser page written by the
developer and his explanation is similar (same). He has built a very nice
interface with all the bells and whistles as well but on the cheap and for
your own business you can just roll your own and run your Access
applications indefinitely.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 8:22 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

Dan,

 There are more choices then that...
<<snip>>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Mar  4 12:47:25 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 13:47:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] What the List Did For Me
In-Reply-To: <5130C34E.9070208@torchlake.com>
References: <72BA10D943294E7DAF4D7805874EEE32@HAL9007>
	<5130C34E.9070208@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jPjZkSv4d=oh+LCnpkspebHNd2Zq0uvyR5MmTKkT3hQg@mail.gmail.com>

I have learned a lot here, too. And I have made some cyber-friends as well.
The only one that I have met in the real world is JWC, and that was worth
its weight in gold. I am a very happy camper on this web-place. I value
this place immensely.

Arthur


From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar  4 13:37:11 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 11:37:11 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] New Approach
In-Reply-To: <FC18AD08C1334336A8E66F74487D79BB@XPS>
References: <201303032254.r23MsQ84025884@databaseadvisors.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C5018994BB@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><003901ce18ee$1d740970$585c1c50$@comcast.net><1E40B6B80F1743208C778F270B2D3EF0@XPS><8E32FE0DDC0C443482C11964539C91CD@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<FC18AD08C1334336A8E66F74487D79BB@XPS>
Message-ID: <CC1952275C3B42809648E9DD454686A9@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Jim:

I do not think Microsoft will have an issues with them as they clearly state
that you should/must have a legal copy of Access per user. If the user does
not, it is not the fault of the site and it is not their responsibility to
police their clients. I seriously doubt whether Microsoft will ever follow
up with a law suit of any kind.

<< Actually, I posted a link a while ago with a posting from one of the two
partners and it revealed in detail how they actually did it. >>

Actually, I was the one that posted that link at least initially. The fact
the technology is so simple in reality that thousands of sites could be
designing their own Access (Office) sharing system, it would seem pointless
to attack a single site... the barn door has been open for years.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 10:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach


 Last time I checked (and my info may be out of date), but it goes again the
EULA to run Office apps on anything other then Windows.

<<Well then ask yourself how did the fellow at
www.eqldata.com do it all? >>

 Actually, I posted a link a while ago with a posting from one of the two
partners and it revealed in detail how they actually did it.

 So far, Microsoft hasn't gone after them and since they've been in business
since 2009, probably don't have a legal leg to stand on (I know their aware
of them).

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 12:59 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

Hi Guys:

To add to your comments there are other methods that you can experiment
with.

I know what you are going to say but why not try a Linux distro? Linux is
definitely the rising star in the computer industry.
 
First, all you will need is a computer or one that you are fine with dual
booting. 4GB of RAM and 100GB hard drive is more than adequate especially if
you are going to be hosting multiple instances of various versions of MS
Access. For full terminal features like shareware you will need an extra LAN
card so you will have two.

My personal choice of Linux distro is Ubuntu 12.04 (there is a 13.x version
out there but too bleeding edge...) How to install it and how difficult is
it? It is like installing Windows but easier. http://www.ubuntu.com/download

You what the desktop version though there are very little (no) differences
other than cosmetic between desktop and server. They are both fully
multi-user and use the same kernel.

Second, once installed check to see if you have the latest version of Wine.
That is the Linux package that allows you to run Windows application. 
The latest versions:
http://www.noobslab.com/2012/06/install-wine-156-in-ubuntu-1204.html
Can it run MS Access? Here are the versions that it can run and be
installed:
http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=12
You will have to do a little tinkering:
http://askubuntu.com/questions/156296/how-to-install-microsoft-office-2010-i
n-ubuntu-12-04 (Once installed it will run significantly faster than on a
similarly equipped Windows computer.)
       
Third, install a full terminal (thin client) capabilities. You will need to
add a number of users, how every many in the office or internet will be
using the MS Access and terminal a package. This is where the two LAN cards
become crucial and this is not for the faint of heart but it is no more
difficult than install a Windows server. There are a number of ways to
approach this but this decryption seems the simplest:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ThinClientHowtoNAT/ and
http://www.thefanclub.co.za/how-to/how-create-ubuntu-1104-x64-ltsp-server-32
bit-thin-clients
(This is as far as I got as my 30 GB Linux test machine ran out of hard
drive space (unrelated to this install) and I ran out of time but later in
the month this should all be up and running.)

So why would you do this? Well then ask yourself how did the fellow at
www.eqldata.com do it all? I posted a link to an browser page written by the
developer and his explanation is similar (same). He has built a very nice
interface with all the bells and whistles as well but on the cheap and for
your own business you can just roll your own and run your Access
applications indefinitely.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 8:22 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

Dan,

 There are more choices then that...
<<snip>>

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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Mon Mar  4 14:08:29 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 15:08:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Display image from hyperlink
In-Reply-To: <E36EE18AEC1B4365B014DA2818267B28@HAL9007>
References: <DBEC083401E846F09FBD2D80614E8C05@HAL9007>	<CAGuQ9V7nKh-D99zmBkJnaVC4-PZ+ti9Zh31MTh-Svbv9PHWjoA@mail.gmail.com>
	<E36EE18AEC1B4365B014DA2818267B28@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAJC7pyoHq6BMh61i+gvurovCgAAAEAAAACTowt95/HhJmOuEmIClnHUBAAAAAA==@gmail.com>

I haven't done it, but a quick google on 

Download files from internet using vba turned up this (albeit Excel)

http://www.lazerwire.com/2011/11/excel-vba-download-files-from-internet.html


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 12:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Display image from hyperlink

Possible I suppose but not sure that's acceptable to the user.  How would
you download and save it without any messages popping up?

TIA

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 9:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Display image from hyperlink

Czn you automate downloading the image then adding to form control from
downloads folder?
On Mar 4, 2013 12:08 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Dear List:
>
> I have a question from someone who needs to display an image in an 
> Access form.  If it was a local file that would be no problem.  I've 
> done
that.
> But
> the source for the image is a URL.
>
> I tried making the url the control source of an image control but it 
> won't take it - say it can't open the file.  I did set picture type to
linked.
>
> Is there an easy way to do this?
>
> TIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com 
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Mon Mar  4 14:09:50 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 15:09:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Display image from hyperlink
References: <DBEC083401E846F09FBD2D80614E8C05@HAL9007>	<CAGuQ9V7nKh-D99zmBkJnaVC4-PZ+ti9Zh31MTh-Svbv9PHWjoA@mail.gmail.com>
	<E36EE18AEC1B4365B014DA2818267B28@HAL9007> 
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAJC7pyoHq6BMh61i+gvurovCgAAAEAAAAN7x3cv5uTxDgN7lsXZ/UQ0BAAAAAA==@gmail.com>

And maybe this, it uses mp3s as an example approach.

http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/isvvba/thread/beb6fa0e-fbc8-49
df-9f2e-30f85d941fad/


-----Original Message-----
From: William Benson (VBACreations.Com) [mailto:vbacreations at gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 3:08 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Display image from hyperlink

I haven't done it, but a quick google on 

Download files from internet using vba turned up this (albeit Excel)

http://www.lazerwire.com/2011/11/excel-vba-download-files-from-internet.html


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 12:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Display image from hyperlink

Possible I suppose but not sure that's acceptable to the user.  How would
you download and save it without any messages popping up?

TIA

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 9:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Display image from hyperlink

Czn you automate downloading the image then adding to form control from
downloads folder?
On Mar 4, 2013 12:08 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Dear List:
>
> I have a question from someone who needs to display an image in an 
> Access form.  If it was a local file that would be no problem.  I've 
> done
that.
> But
> the source for the image is a URL.
>
> I tried making the url the control source of an image control but it 
> won't take it - say it can't open the file.  I did set picture type to
linked.
>
> Is there an easy way to do this?
>
> TIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com 
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Mon Mar  4 14:29:58 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 12:29:58 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] New Approach
In-Reply-To: <8E32FE0DDC0C443482C11964539C91CD@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <201303032254.r23MsQ84025884@databaseadvisors.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C5018994BB@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
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Hi Jim,

Just to add to your comment about Ubuntu, there are some slight differences between desktop and server. The most obvious one is thar Ubuntu server does not install with a GUI by default and this is a good thing. In my opinion and that of many in the industry, a GUI is a waste of system resources, as Linux can be administrated perfectly fine via the command line (bash and ssh) and you have less software installed this less of a surface for security vulnerabilities. For those reasons and others, I'd say it is the superior choice for a server administrator, but that is sometimes a hard sell for someone more familiar with using Microsoft server operating systems, so you can still install a GUI if that is your preference.

Another difference is that the kernel for Ubuntu server is a little different. It's been optimised and tweaked more for a server environment and better performance in that respect. Which is nice.

The last notable difference is also the software packages available and the package repositories. They are not quite the same as the server version is geared more for stable software releases, while desktop is a bit more bleeding edge. Ubuntu also provides you with some services that you don't really get on the desktop version, such as Landscape, other cloud services and etc.

I run an Ubuntu server (still on 11.04 though, need to upgrade one of these days), but my experience so far in the last 2 or so years has been great. I recommend it if you want a good server OS and the other proper Linux server distros like CentOS and Debian are a bit intimidating.


- Hans


On 2013-03-04, at 9:58 AM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Guys:
> 
> To add to your comments there are other methods that you can experiment
> with.
> 
> I know what you are going to say but why not try a Linux distro? Linux is
> definitely the rising star in the computer industry.
> 
> First, all you will need is a computer or one that you are fine with dual
> booting. 4GB of RAM and 100GB hard drive is more than adequate especially if
> you are going to be hosting multiple instances of various versions of MS
> Access. For full terminal features like shareware you will need an extra LAN
> card so you will have two.
> 
> My personal choice of Linux distro is Ubuntu 12.04 (there is a 13.x version
> out there but too bleeding edge...) How to install it and how difficult is
> it? It is like installing Windows but easier. http://www.ubuntu.com/download
> 
> You what the desktop version though there are very little (no) differences
> other than cosmetic between desktop and server. They are both fully
> multi-user and use the same kernel.
> 
> Second, once installed check to see if you have the latest version of Wine.
> That is the Linux package that allows you to run Windows application. 
> The latest versions:
> http://www.noobslab.com/2012/06/install-wine-156-in-ubuntu-1204.html
> Can it run MS Access? Here are the versions that it can run and be
> installed:
> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=12
> You will have to do a little tinkering:
> http://askubuntu.com/questions/156296/how-to-install-microsoft-office-2010-i
> n-ubuntu-12-04 (Once installed it will run significantly faster than on a
> similarly equipped Windows computer.)
> 
> Third, install a full terminal (thin client) capabilities. You will need to
> add a number of users, how every many in the office or internet will be
> using the MS Access and terminal a package. This is where the two LAN cards
> become crucial and this is not for the faint of heart but it is no more
> difficult than install a Windows server. There are a number of ways to
> approach this but this decryption seems the simplest:
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ThinClientHowtoNAT/ and
> http://www.thefanclub.co.za/how-to/how-create-ubuntu-1104-x64-ltsp-server-32
> bit-thin-clients
> (This is as far as I got as my 30 GB Linux test machine ran out of hard
> drive space (unrelated to this install) and I ran out of time but later in
> the month this should all be up and running.)
> 
> So why would you do this? Well then ask yourself how did the fellow at
> www.eqldata.com do it all? I posted a link to an browser page written by the
> developer and his explanation is similar (same). He has built a very nice
> interface with all the bells and whistles as well but on the cheap and for
> your own business you can just roll your own and run your Access
> applications indefinitely.
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 8:22 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach
> 
> Dan,
> 
> There are more choices then that...
> 
> 1. Use terminal services to run the apps.
> 
> 2. Use a service like www.eqldata.com for remote users.
> 
> And there's no reason you can't use linked tables and ODCB over the
> internet.  You do need to write things differently, but you can live with
> ODBC.
> 
> On Brad's question, while desktop databases are not going away anytime
> soon, it does seem like Microsoft has no intention of improving them.
> 
> I think you'll see some improvements, but I believe they will be minor in
> nature.
> 
> Microsoft has one focus at the moment, and that's the web.  Anything they
> can do in that area will have priority.  One only needs to look at Access
> 2013 to see this; everything was on the web side and nothing was done on the
> desktop side. That's a trend I believe you will see continue.
> 
> If your not un-happy with desktop databases as is in 2013, then your good.
> But if your looking for improvements, I don't think you'll see them unless
> they happen to be related to a web feature.
> 
> Jim. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 10:37 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach
> 
> Hi Brad,
> 
> Access should be around for a long time, but because people want to open the
> system on their laptops when they are away from the office, Access may not
> be the best platform for an application that everyone uses.
> 
> You have sort of 3 choices (by increasing complexity):
> 
> 1) Convert your Access tables to SQL Server and rewrite the Access
> application to connect to SQL server w/o using table links.  IOW, write your
> connection code within the app.  External users will connect via VPN to your
> network.
> 
> 2) Convert your access tables to SQL Server and rewrite the application in
> VB.Net or C#.  This is a good choice but a significant learning curve.
> External users will connect via VPN to your network.
> 
> 3) Rewrite everything and create a web site.  Users will connect directly to
> that site.
> 
> Hope this helps!
> 
> Dan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 8:36 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach
> 
> All,
> 
> This is probably a really dumb question.
> 
> If a small firm has existing desktop-based applications (including
> applications built with Access) AND there is no need to have these
> "internal" applications visible on the internet, is there a need to look at
> software products such as Alpha-5?
> 
> Won't Access be around for a long time for such internal applications?
> 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Mar  4 15:24:08 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 07:24:08 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] New Approach
In-Reply-To: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701F38FB81@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
References: <201303032254.r23MsQ84025884@databaseadvisors.com>,
	<003901ce18ee$1d740970$585c1c50$@comcast.net>,
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701F38FB81@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
Message-ID: <513510F8.29725.7FF9AA62@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 4 Mar 2013 at 10:56, Rusty Hammond wrote:

> I've read a little about Access 2007/2010 being able to run with
> linked/cached tables to a Sharepoint site, and can run disconnected from
> the network/internet,  then when reconnected to the network, the tables
> will synch up with the Sharepoint database.
> 
> Has anyone else heard of this and are you using it?  How well does it
> work?  I've heard it works really well but don't know what the
> limitations are (if any).
> 
> Rusty


A recent post on LinkedIn's PMADN by Albert Kaplan:
<quote>
A configuration that is working well for me is to use Access 2010 with office 365.

So you purchase one office 365 p1 (small business plan). Total cost = $6 per month.

You then take your application. Assuming split, you place the back end tables on office 365.

You then link your desktop front end to that application.

You are done.

The application will now automatic run off line. And when you get back to any internet 
connection. You can sync. All data from all other users will appear on your system, and any 
changes you made will appear for everyone else.

The beauty of this setup?

You write and use Access - regular VBA etc.
You don't have to write or setup a bunch of sync code - it is automatic and built into Access.

Even better?

If you have Access 2010, the whole thing can be setup in less time than it took me to make 
this post.

No server has to be setup.
No learning + setup or install of SQL server.
No purchase of new software.
No writing of a whole bunch of sync software.

I explain in the following video how you upload related tables to SharePoint or office 365:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL27E956A1537FE1C5&feature=plcp

</quote>

From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Mon Mar  4 16:19:20 2013
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 16:19:20 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] New Approach
In-Reply-To: <513510F8.29725.7FF9AA62@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <201303032254.r23MsQ84025884@databaseadvisors.com>,
	<003901ce18ee$1d740970$585c1c50$@comcast.net>,
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701F38FB81@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<513510F8.29725.7FF9AA62@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701F38FB86@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>

Nice.

I can envision a Surface Pro tablet, loaded with Access 2010 (or the
free runtime), workers in the field adding/editing data on the tablet.
If they have an internet connection, great the data syncs, if they are
somewhere they don't have a connection, fine, it syncs when they do have
a connection.

For management, they have a copy of the app back at the office for
reporting - OR - setup reports in Report Server pulling from the
Sharepoint site.

Nice portable application, uses existing MS Access front end, no
learning curve for us Access developers, except how to attach to a
Sharepoint site or Office 365 account.

Then there's the Access Web database.  Used to create an application
using Sharepoint with Access Web Services installed.  No VBA but uses
the new macro's.  End user doesn't need Access installed, just a web
browser.  May not be the solution for all database apps, but for simple
data entry and reporting, may work very well for a mobile application.

Alpha Five and Filemaker each have a web component and they require
additional paid for components installed on a server too.

I'm just not sure I buy the idea that MS has given up on Access just
yet.  

Just my 2 cents.

Rusty


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 3:24 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

On 4 Mar 2013 at 10:56, Rusty Hammond wrote:

> I've read a little about Access 2007/2010 being able to run with 
> linked/cached tables to a Sharepoint site, and can run disconnected 
> from the network/internet,  then when reconnected to the network, the 
> tables will synch up with the Sharepoint database.
> 
> Has anyone else heard of this and are you using it?  How well does it 
> work?  I've heard it works really well but don't know what the 
> limitations are (if any).
> 
> Rusty


A recent post on LinkedIn's PMADN by Albert Kaplan:
<quote>
A configuration that is working well for me is to use Access 2010 with
office 365.

So you purchase one office 365 p1 (small business plan). Total cost = $6
per month.

You then take your application. Assuming split, you place the back end
tables on office 365.

You then link your desktop front end to that application.

You are done.

The application will now automatic run off line. And when you get back
to any internet connection. You can sync. All data from all other users
will appear on your system, and any changes you made will appear for
everyone else.

The beauty of this setup?

You write and use Access - regular VBA etc.
You don't have to write or setup a bunch of sync code - it is automatic
and built into Access.

Even better?

If you have Access 2010, the whole thing can be setup in less time than
it took me to make this post.

No server has to be setup.
No learning + setup or install of SQL server.
No purchase of new software.
No writing of a whole bunch of sync software.

I explain in the following video how you upload related tables to
SharePoint or office 365:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL27E956A1537FE1C5&feature=plcp

</quote>
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From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Mon Mar  4 17:01:27 2013
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 17:01:27 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] New Approach
In-Reply-To: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701F38FB86@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
Message-ID: <201303042301.r24N1UNV029560@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey Rusty
Alpha Five and Filemaker each have a web component and they require
additional paid for components installed on a server too.

Not true if you buy the package.

Tony Septav 
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond
Sent: March-04-13 4:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

Nice.

I can envision a Surface Pro tablet, loaded with Access 2010 (or the
free runtime), workers in the field adding/editing data on the tablet.
If they have an internet connection, great the data syncs, if they are
somewhere they don't have a connection, fine, it syncs when they do have
a connection.

For management, they have a copy of the app back at the office for
reporting - OR - setup reports in Report Server pulling from the
Sharepoint site.

Nice portable application, uses existing MS Access front end, no
learning curve for us Access developers, except how to attach to a
Sharepoint site or Office 365 account.

Then there's the Access Web database.  Used to create an application
using Sharepoint with Access Web Services installed.  No VBA but uses
the new macro's.  End user doesn't need Access installed, just a web
browser.  May not be the solution for all database apps, but for simple
data entry and reporting, may work very well for a mobile application.

Alpha Five and Filemaker each have a web component and they require
additional paid for components installed on a server too.

I'm just not sure I buy the idea that MS has given up on Access just
yet.  

Just my 2 cents.

Rusty


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 3:24 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

On 4 Mar 2013 at 10:56, Rusty Hammond wrote:

> I've read a little about Access 2007/2010 being able to run with 
> linked/cached tables to a Sharepoint site, and can run disconnected 
> from the network/internet,  then when reconnected to the network, the 
> tables will synch up with the Sharepoint database.
> 
> Has anyone else heard of this and are you using it?  How well does it 
> work?  I've heard it works really well but don't know what the 
> limitations are (if any).
> 
> Rusty


A recent post on LinkedIn's PMADN by Albert Kaplan:
<quote>
A configuration that is working well for me is to use Access 2010 with
office 365.

So you purchase one office 365 p1 (small business plan). Total cost = $6
per month.

You then take your application. Assuming split, you place the back end
tables on office 365.

You then link your desktop front end to that application.

You are done.

The application will now automatic run off line. And when you get back
to any internet connection. You can sync. All data from all other users
will appear on your system, and any changes you made will appear for
everyone else.

The beauty of this setup?

You write and use Access - regular VBA etc.
You don't have to write or setup a bunch of sync code - it is automatic
and built into Access.

Even better?

If you have Access 2010, the whole thing can be setup in less time than
it took me to make this post.

No server has to be setup.
No learning + setup or install of SQL server.
No purchase of new software.
No writing of a whole bunch of sync software.

I explain in the following video how you upload related tables to
SharePoint or office 365:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL27E956A1537FE1C5&feature=plcp

</quote>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Mar  4 17:49:22 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 15:49:22 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Display image from hyperlink
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAJC7pyoHq6BMh61i+gvurovCgAAAEAAAACTowt95/HhJmOuEmIClnHUBAAAAAA==@gmail.com>
References: <DBEC083401E846F09FBD2D80614E8C05@HAL9007>	<CAGuQ9V7nKh-D99zmBkJnaVC4-PZ+ti9Zh31MTh-Svbv9PHWjoA@mail.gmail.com><E36EE18AEC1B4365B014DA2818267B28@HAL9007>
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Message-ID: <02A6FCF267F245F39BDC32A974EA447A@HAL9007>

Actually the guy already has it done in Excel - using features of excel not
available in Access.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
(VBACreations.Com)
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 12:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Display image from hyperlink

I haven't done it, but a quick google on 

Download files from internet using vba turned up this (albeit Excel)

http://www.lazerwire.com/2011/11/excel-vba-download-files-from-internet.html


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 12:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Display image from hyperlink

Possible I suppose but not sure that's acceptable to the user.  How would
you download and save it without any messages popping up?

TIA

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 9:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Display image from hyperlink

Czn you automate downloading the image then adding to form control from
downloads folder?
On Mar 4, 2013 12:08 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Dear List:
>
> I have a question from someone who needs to display an image in an 
> Access form.  If it was a local file that would be no problem.  I've 
> done
that.
> But
> the source for the image is a URL.
>
> I tried making the url the control source of an image control but it 
> won't take it - say it can't open the file.  I did set picture type to
linked.
>
> Is there an easy way to do this?
>
> TIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com 
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Mar  4 17:51:29 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 15:51:29 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Display image from hyperlink
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That looks promising.

Thanks

Rocky
 

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(VBACreations.Com)
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 12:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Display image from hyperlink

And maybe this, it uses mp3s as an example approach.

http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/isvvba/thread/beb6fa0e-fbc8-49
df-9f2e-30f85d941fad/


-----Original Message-----
From: William Benson (VBACreations.Com) [mailto:vbacreations at gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 3:08 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Display image from hyperlink

I haven't done it, but a quick google on 

Download files from internet using vba turned up this (albeit Excel)

http://www.lazerwire.com/2011/11/excel-vba-download-files-from-internet.html


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 12:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Display image from hyperlink

Possible I suppose but not sure that's acceptable to the user.  How would
you download and save it without any messages popping up?

TIA

Rocky
 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 9:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Display image from hyperlink

Czn you automate downloading the image then adding to form control from
downloads folder?
On Mar 4, 2013 12:08 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Dear List:
>
> I have a question from someone who needs to display an image in an 
> Access form.  If it was a local file that would be no problem.  I've 
> done
that.
> But
> the source for the image is a URL.
>
> I tried making the url the control source of an image control but it 
> won't take it - say it can't open the file.  I did set picture type to
linked.
>
> Is there an easy way to do this?
>
> TIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com 
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Mon Mar  4 17:52:03 2013
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 15:52:03 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] For All the MySql Fans - an Alternative Viewpoint
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9Fu5ugf+79_Fd3hA8j1WMW0_A7wAO2GsPj+hgB06EExg@mail.gmail.com>

Frankly, I've never even tried it, so I have no opinion on the product.  I
just thought the contrary point of view might be of interest to those using
MySql as a BE to Access.

http://grimoire.ca/mysql/choose-something-else

Charlotte

From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar  4 18:08:27 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 16:08:27 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] New Approach
In-Reply-To: <928DFB2A-C89D-4F62-803E-2C79297D0C89@phulse.com>
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Hi Hans:

I think I did cover that point.

"... though there are very little (no) differences other than cosmetic
between desktop and server. They are both fully multi-user and use the same
kernel. " 

I think that having no GUI is ultimate cosmetic. ;-) According to the Ubuntu
site, their server and desktop have been completely the same (other than the
GUI) and there have only been a few modest difference starting as of the
12.04 version. 

As for Microsoft not having servers with out a GUI, there is their latest
offers, a Hyper-V Server 2012. It is free to download and run but it is
totally command prompt driven. I understand there is a couple of packages
out there, if needing some GUI but they are basic in the extreme.

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/hyper-v-server/default.aspx

A friend is running his servers with the package and he is very pleased with
it. It runs everything as virtual drives. It is not as fast as Linux but a
lot faster than the regular MS Server 2012 and it is supposed to scale a lot
easier and has full support for the Cloud as well as Samba server and Linux
integration. (Why the GUI should affect the basic functionality I have no
idea but that is what I am being told).

As a point of interest the DBA website is running off such a server.   

I think most of us old guys grew up with the command prompt, with various
minis, main-frames, UNIX and even DOS and would have little problem going
back but only if demanded as we have become a little gentrified. You have to
completely blame Apple for starting the whole GUI trend. ;-)

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 12:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

Hi Jim,

Just to add to your comment about Ubuntu, there are some slight differences
between desktop and server. The most obvious one is thar Ubuntu server does
not install with a GUI by default and this is a good thing. In my opinion
and that of many in the industry, a GUI is a waste of system resources, as
Linux can be administrated perfectly fine via the command line (bash and
ssh) and you have less software installed this less of a surface for
security vulnerabilities. For those reasons and others, I'd say it is the
superior choice for a server administrator, but that is sometimes a hard
sell for someone more familiar with using Microsoft server operating
systems, so you can still install a GUI if that is your preference.

Another difference is that the kernel for Ubuntu server is a little
different. It's been optimised and tweaked more for a server environment and
better performance in that respect. Which is nice.

The last notable difference is also the software packages available and the
package repositories. They are not quite the same as the server version is
geared more for stable software releases, while desktop is a bit more
bleeding edge. Ubuntu also provides you with some services that you don't
really get on the desktop version, such as Landscape, other cloud services
and etc.

I run an Ubuntu server (still on 11.04 though, need to upgrade one of these
days), but my experience so far in the last 2 or so years has been great. I
recommend it if you want a good server OS and the other proper Linux server
distros like CentOS and Debian are a bit intimidating.


- Hans



From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Mon Mar  4 19:08:30 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 17:08:30 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] New Approach
In-Reply-To: <DC025EE467E24CBD9282B6B73770A2B3@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <201303032254.r23MsQ84025884@databaseadvisors.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C5018994BB@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<003901ce18ee$1d740970$585c1c50$@comcast.net>
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Hi Jim,

> As for Microsoft not having servers with out a GUI, there is their latest offers,
a Hyper-V Server 2012. It is free to download and run but it is totally
command prompt driven. I understand there is a couple of packages out
there, if needing some GUI but they are basic in the extreme.

That's cool. This is just like what VMWare has been doing for quite a
while. But I would just like to point out 2 things:

First of all, it doesn't appear that Hyper-V Server 2012 is completely
GUI-less. It simply removes as much GUI as possible, but it is still there,
as you can see in this screenshot:
http://msinetpub.vo.llnwd.net/d1/matthester/blog/images/Hyper-V-ServerMatt_6AC4/sconfig.png

Secondly, Hyper-V Server 2012 is not really a normal server OS. It's a
virtualisation server OS. It's purpose is simply to host virtual machines
on it that contain another OS. You can't use it for much else. So, if you
are trying to host a Windows server, you are inevitably going to have to
install a server with a GUI somewhere... except this time, you are doing it
on top of a virtualisation platform, which makes it even more resource
intensive than simply installing a server OS natively to host machine (or,
to the bare metal, as they say).

There are plenty of good reasons for doing this (for instance, you want
multiple servers without having to pay for extra hardware), but it doesn't
change the status quo regarding Windows Servers being GUI-driven.

> I think most of us old guys grew up with the command prompt, with various minis,
main-frames, UNIX and even DOS and would have little problem going back but
only if demanded as we have become a little gentrified. You have to completely
blame Apple for starting the whole GUI trend. ;-)

For ordinary usage of a computer, GUI's are far superiour to a command-line
driven experience. I doubt very many people will dispute that. I'm speaking
more about servers, which is not meant to be interfaced directly by a human
(other than for administration by an expert).

>"... though there are very little (no) differences other than cosmetic between
desktop and server. They are both fully multi-user and use the same kernel.
"

This appears to be a recent change in Ubuntu 12.04 and above. I'm still
running 11.04 and there are many differences besides the lack of a GUI. I
wonder why Canonical decided to go in this direction.


- Hans


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On 4 March 2013 16:08, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Hans:
>
> I think I did cover that point.
>
> "... though there are very little (no) differences other than cosmetic
> between desktop and server. They are both fully multi-user and use the same
> kernel. "
>
> I think that having no GUI is ultimate cosmetic. ;-) According to the
> Ubuntu
> site, their server and desktop have been completely the same (other than
> the
> GUI) and there have only been a few modest difference starting as of the
> 12.04 version.
>
> As for Microsoft not having servers with out a GUI, there is their latest
> offers, a Hyper-V Server 2012. It is free to download and run but it is
> totally command prompt driven. I understand there is a couple of packages
> out there, if needing some GUI but they are basic in the extreme.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/hyper-v-server/default.aspx
>
> A friend is running his servers with the package and he is very pleased
> with
> it. It runs everything as virtual drives. It is not as fast as Linux but a
> lot faster than the regular MS Server 2012 and it is supposed to scale a
> lot
> easier and has full support for the Cloud as well as Samba server and Linux
> integration. (Why the GUI should affect the basic functionality I have no
> idea but that is what I am being told).
>
> As a point of interest the DBA website is running off such a server.
>
> I think most of us old guys grew up with the command prompt, with various
> minis, main-frames, UNIX and even DOS and would have little problem going
> back but only if demanded as we have become a little gentrified. You have
> to
> completely blame Apple for starting the whole GUI trend. ;-)
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
> Andersen
> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 12:30 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> Just to add to your comment about Ubuntu, there are some slight differences
> between desktop and server. The most obvious one is thar Ubuntu server does
> not install with a GUI by default and this is a good thing. In my opinion
> and that of many in the industry, a GUI is a waste of system resources, as
> Linux can be administrated perfectly fine via the command line (bash and
> ssh) and you have less software installed this less of a surface for
> security vulnerabilities. For those reasons and others, I'd say it is the
> superior choice for a server administrator, but that is sometimes a hard
> sell for someone more familiar with using Microsoft server operating
> systems, so you can still install a GUI if that is your preference.
>
> Another difference is that the kernel for Ubuntu server is a little
> different. It's been optimised and tweaked more for a server environment
> and
> better performance in that respect. Which is nice.
>
> The last notable difference is also the software packages available and the
> package repositories. They are not quite the same as the server version is
> geared more for stable software releases, while desktop is a bit more
> bleeding edge. Ubuntu also provides you with some services that you don't
> really get on the desktop version, such as Landscape, other cloud services
> and etc.
>
> I run an Ubuntu server (still on 11.04 though, need to upgrade one of these
> days), but my experience so far in the last 2 or so years has been great. I
> recommend it if you want a good server OS and the other proper Linux server
> distros like CentOS and Debian are a bit intimidating.
>
>
> - Hans
>
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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>

From vbacreations at gmail.com  Mon Mar  4 20:38:17 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 21:38:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] New Approach
In-Reply-To: <CAFj0BAzJ6kCo3PbSLaUznxo3B9DriyYVx=eNSv1gGJ4M-PTaoQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Call that GUI ha ha ha.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 8:08 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

Hi Jim,

> As for Microsoft not having servers with out a GUI, there is their 
> latest offers,
a Hyper-V Server 2012. It is free to download and run but it is totally
command prompt driven. I understand there is a couple of packages out there,
if needing some GUI but they are basic in the extreme.

That's cool. This is just like what VMWare has been doing for quite a while.
But I would just like to point out 2 things:

First of all, it doesn't appear that Hyper-V Server 2012 is completely
GUI-less. It simply removes as much GUI as possible, but it is still there,
as you can see in this screenshot:
http://msinetpub.vo.llnwd.net/d1/matthester/blog/images/Hyper-V-ServerMatt_6
AC4/sconfig.png

Secondly, Hyper-V Server 2012 is not really a normal server OS. It's a
virtualisation server OS. It's purpose is simply to host virtual machines on
it that contain another OS. You can't use it for much else. So, if you are
trying to host a Windows server, you are inevitably going to have to install
a server with a GUI somewhere... except this time, you are doing it on top
of a virtualisation platform, which makes it even more resource intensive
than simply installing a server OS natively to host machine (or, to the bare
metal, as they say).

There are plenty of good reasons for doing this (for instance, you want
multiple servers without having to pay for extra hardware), but it doesn't
change the status quo regarding Windows Servers being GUI-driven.

> I think most of us old guys grew up with the command prompt, with 
> various minis,
main-frames, UNIX and even DOS and would have little problem going back but
only if demanded as we have become a little gentrified. You have to
completely blame Apple for starting the whole GUI trend. ;-)

For ordinary usage of a computer, GUI's are far superiour to a command-line
driven experience. I doubt very many people will dispute that. I'm speaking
more about servers, which is not meant to be interfaced directly by a human
(other than for administration by an expert).

>"... though there are very little (no) differences other than cosmetic 
>between
desktop and server. They are both fully multi-user and use the same kernel.
"

This appears to be a recent change in Ubuntu 12.04 and above. I'm still
running 11.04 and there are many differences besides the lack of a GUI. I
wonder why Canonical decided to go in this direction.


- Hans


*

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**Web Application Developer, Vancouver, Canada*


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T: +44 (0)20 7193 7841
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On 4 March 2013 16:08, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Hans:
>
> I think I did cover that point.
>
> "... though there are very little (no) differences other than cosmetic 
> between desktop and server. They are both fully multi-user and use the 
> same kernel. "
>
> I think that having no GUI is ultimate cosmetic. ;-) According to the 
> Ubuntu site, their server and desktop have been completely the same 
> (other than the
> GUI) and there have only been a few modest difference starting as of 
> the
> 12.04 version.
>
> As for Microsoft not having servers with out a GUI, there is their 
> latest offers, a Hyper-V Server 2012. It is free to download and run 
> but it is totally command prompt driven. I understand there is a 
> couple of packages out there, if needing some GUI but they are basic in
the extreme.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/hyper-v-server/default.asp
> x
>
> A friend is running his servers with the package and he is very 
> pleased with it. It runs everything as virtual drives. It is not as 
> fast as Linux but a lot faster than the regular MS Server 2012 and it 
> is supposed to scale a lot easier and has full support for the Cloud 
> as well as Samba server and Linux integration. (Why the GUI should 
> affect the basic functionality I have no idea but that is what I am 
> being told).
>
> As a point of interest the DBA website is running off such a server.
>
> I think most of us old guys grew up with the command prompt, with 
> various minis, main-frames, UNIX and even DOS and would have little 
> problem going back but only if demanded as we have become a little 
> gentrified. You have to completely blame Apple for starting the whole 
> GUI trend. ;-)
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Hans-Christian Andersen
> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 12:30 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> Just to add to your comment about Ubuntu, there are some slight 
> differences between desktop and server. The most obvious one is thar 
> Ubuntu server does not install with a GUI by default and this is a 
> good thing. In my opinion and that of many in the industry, a GUI is a 
> waste of system resources, as Linux can be administrated perfectly 
> fine via the command line (bash and
> ssh) and you have less software installed this less of a surface for 
> security vulnerabilities. For those reasons and others, I'd say it is 
> the superior choice for a server administrator, but that is sometimes 
> a hard sell for someone more familiar with using Microsoft server 
> operating systems, so you can still install a GUI if that is your
preference.
>
> Another difference is that the kernel for Ubuntu server is a little 
> different. It's been optimised and tweaked more for a server 
> environment and better performance in that respect. Which is nice.
>
> The last notable difference is also the software packages available 
> and the package repositories. They are not quite the same as the 
> server version is geared more for stable software releases, while 
> desktop is a bit more bleeding edge. Ubuntu also provides you with 
> some services that you don't really get on the desktop version, such 
> as Landscape, other cloud services and etc.
>
> I run an Ubuntu server (still on 11.04 though, need to upgrade one of 
> these days), but my experience so far in the last 2 or so years has 
> been great. I recommend it if you want a good server OS and the other 
> proper Linux server distros like CentOS and Debian are a bit intimidating.
>
>
> - Hans
>
>
> --
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Mon Mar  4 21:21:40 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 19:21:40 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] New Approach
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- A graphical login screen: check
- Multiple multitasking windows that overlay each other: check
- Windows that can be moved around the screen and resized: check
- Windows that have a fancy themed decorator around it: check
- Mouse interface integration: check
Etc etc

Seems to me like it's a GUI. It is a crude and limited one, but it is a "graphical" user interface. Microsoft probably left in the whole graphical subsystem of Windows there fully intact.

- Hans


On 2013-03-04, at 6:38 PM, "William Benson \(VBACreations.Com\)" <vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote:

> Call that GUI ha ha ha.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
> Andersen
> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 8:08 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach
> 
> Hi Jim,
> 
>> As for Microsoft not having servers with out a GUI, there is their 
>> latest offers,
> a Hyper-V Server 2012. It is free to download and run but it is totally
> command prompt driven. I understand there is a couple of packages out there,
> if needing some GUI but they are basic in the extreme.
> 
> That's cool. This is just like what VMWare has been doing for quite a while.
> But I would just like to point out 2 things:
> 
> First of all, it doesn't appear that Hyper-V Server 2012 is completely
> GUI-less. It simply removes as much GUI as possible, but it is still there,
> as you can see in this screenshot:
> http://msinetpub.vo.llnwd.net/d1/matthester/blog/images/Hyper-V-ServerMatt_6
> AC4/sconfig.png
> 
> Secondly, Hyper-V Server 2012 is not really a normal server OS. It's a
> virtualisation server OS. It's purpose is simply to host virtual machines on
> it that contain another OS. You can't use it for much else. So, if you are
> trying to host a Windows server, you are inevitably going to have to install
> a server with a GUI somewhere... except this time, you are doing it on top
> of a virtualisation platform, which makes it even more resource intensive
> than simply installing a server OS natively to host machine (or, to the bare
> metal, as they say).
> 
> There are plenty of good reasons for doing this (for instance, you want
> multiple servers without having to pay for extra hardware), but it doesn't
> change the status quo regarding Windows Servers being GUI-driven.
> 
>> I think most of us old guys grew up with the command prompt, with 
>> various minis,
> main-frames, UNIX and even DOS and would have little problem going back but
> only if demanded as we have become a little gentrified. You have to
> completely blame Apple for starting the whole GUI trend. ;-)
> 
> For ordinary usage of a computer, GUI's are far superiour to a command-line
> driven experience. I doubt very many people will dispute that. I'm speaking
> more about servers, which is not meant to be interfaced directly by a human
> (other than for administration by an expert).
> 
>> "... though there are very little (no) differences other than cosmetic 
>> between
> desktop and server. They are both fully multi-user and use the same kernel.
> "
> 
> This appears to be a recent change in Ubuntu 12.04 and above. I'm still
> running 11.04 and there are many differences besides the lack of a GUI. I
> wonder why Canonical decided to go in this direction.
> 
> 
> - Hans
> 
> 
> *
> 
> Hans-Christian Andersen
> **Web Application Developer, Vancouver, Canada*
> 
> 
> E: hans at phulse.com
> T: +44 (0)20 7193 7841
> L: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/andersenhc
> http://www.nokenode.com/
> 
> *Unique Gifts, Collectables, Artwork*
> *Come one, come all to.... *www.corinnajasmine.com
> *
> *
> 
> 
> 
> On 4 March 2013 16:08, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Hans:
>> 
>> I think I did cover that point.
>> 
>> "... though there are very little (no) differences other than cosmetic 
>> between desktop and server. They are both fully multi-user and use the 
>> same kernel. "
>> 
>> I think that having no GUI is ultimate cosmetic. ;-) According to the 
>> Ubuntu site, their server and desktop have been completely the same 
>> (other than the
>> GUI) and there have only been a few modest difference starting as of 
>> the
>> 12.04 version.
>> 
>> As for Microsoft not having servers with out a GUI, there is their 
>> latest offers, a Hyper-V Server 2012. It is free to download and run 
>> but it is totally command prompt driven. I understand there is a 
>> couple of packages out there, if needing some GUI but they are basic in
> the extreme.
>> 
>> http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/hyper-v-server/default.asp
>> x
>> 
>> A friend is running his servers with the package and he is very 
>> pleased with it. It runs everything as virtual drives. It is not as 
>> fast as Linux but a lot faster than the regular MS Server 2012 and it 
>> is supposed to scale a lot easier and has full support for the Cloud 
>> as well as Samba server and Linux integration. (Why the GUI should 
>> affect the basic functionality I have no idea but that is what I am 
>> being told).
>> 
>> As a point of interest the DBA website is running off such a server.
>> 
>> I think most of us old guys grew up with the command prompt, with 
>> various minis, main-frames, UNIX and even DOS and would have little 
>> problem going back but only if demanded as we have become a little 
>> gentrified. You have to completely blame Apple for starting the whole 
>> GUI trend. ;-)
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Hans-Christian Andersen
>> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 12:30 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach
>> 
>> Hi Jim,
>> 
>> Just to add to your comment about Ubuntu, there are some slight 
>> differences between desktop and server. The most obvious one is thar 
>> Ubuntu server does not install with a GUI by default and this is a 
>> good thing. In my opinion and that of many in the industry, a GUI is a 
>> waste of system resources, as Linux can be administrated perfectly 
>> fine via the command line (bash and
>> ssh) and you have less software installed this less of a surface for 
>> security vulnerabilities. For those reasons and others, I'd say it is 
>> the superior choice for a server administrator, but that is sometimes 
>> a hard sell for someone more familiar with using Microsoft server 
>> operating systems, so you can still install a GUI if that is your
> preference.
>> 
>> Another difference is that the kernel for Ubuntu server is a little 
>> different. It's been optimised and tweaked more for a server 
>> environment and better performance in that respect. Which is nice.
>> 
>> The last notable difference is also the software packages available 
>> and the package repositories. They are not quite the same as the 
>> server version is geared more for stable software releases, while 
>> desktop is a bit more bleeding edge. Ubuntu also provides you with 
>> some services that you don't really get on the desktop version, such 
>> as Landscape, other cloud services and etc.
>> 
>> I run an Ubuntu server (still on 11.04 though, need to upgrade one of 
>> these days), but my experience so far in the last 2 or so years has 
>> been great. I recommend it if you want a good server OS and the other 
>> proper Linux server distros like CentOS and Debian are a bit intimidating.
>> 
>> 
>> - Hans
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> 
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Mon Mar  4 21:33:33 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 22:33:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] New Approach
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Arthritic user interface

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 10:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

- A graphical login screen: check
- Multiple multitasking windows that overlay each other: check
- Windows that can be moved around the screen and resized: check
- Windows that have a fancy themed decorator around it: check
- Mouse interface integration: check
Etc etc

Seems to me like it's a GUI. It is a crude and limited one, but it is a
"graphical" user interface. Microsoft probably left in the whole graphical
subsystem of Windows there fully intact.

- Hans


On 2013-03-04, at 6:38 PM, "William Benson \(VBACreations.Com\)"
<vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote:

> Call that GUI ha ha ha.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Hans-Christian Andersen
> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 8:08 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach
> 
> Hi Jim,
> 
>> As for Microsoft not having servers with out a GUI, there is their 
>> latest offers,
> a Hyper-V Server 2012. It is free to download and run but it is 
> totally command prompt driven. I understand there is a couple of 
> packages out there, if needing some GUI but they are basic in the extreme.
> 
> That's cool. This is just like what VMWare has been doing for quite a
while.
> But I would just like to point out 2 things:
> 
> First of all, it doesn't appear that Hyper-V Server 2012 is completely 
> GUI-less. It simply removes as much GUI as possible, but it is still 
> there, as you can see in this screenshot:
> http://msinetpub.vo.llnwd.net/d1/matthester/blog/images/Hyper-V-Server
> Matt_6
> AC4/sconfig.png
> 
> Secondly, Hyper-V Server 2012 is not really a normal server OS. It's a 
> virtualisation server OS. It's purpose is simply to host virtual 
> machines on it that contain another OS. You can't use it for much 
> else. So, if you are trying to host a Windows server, you are 
> inevitably going to have to install a server with a GUI somewhere... 
> except this time, you are doing it on top of a virtualisation 
> platform, which makes it even more resource intensive than simply 
> installing a server OS natively to host machine (or, to the bare metal, as
they say).
> 
> There are plenty of good reasons for doing this (for instance, you 
> want multiple servers without having to pay for extra hardware), but 
> it doesn't change the status quo regarding Windows Servers being
GUI-driven.
> 
>> I think most of us old guys grew up with the command prompt, with 
>> various minis,
> main-frames, UNIX and even DOS and would have little problem going 
> back but only if demanded as we have become a little gentrified. You 
> have to completely blame Apple for starting the whole GUI trend. ;-)
> 
> For ordinary usage of a computer, GUI's are far superiour to a 
> command-line driven experience. I doubt very many people will dispute 
> that. I'm speaking more about servers, which is not meant to be 
> interfaced directly by a human (other than for administration by an
expert).
> 
>> "... though there are very little (no) differences other than 
>> cosmetic between
> desktop and server. They are both fully multi-user and use the same
kernel.
> "
> 
> This appears to be a recent change in Ubuntu 12.04 and above. I'm 
> still running 11.04 and there are many differences besides the lack of 
> a GUI. I wonder why Canonical decided to go in this direction.
> 
> 
> - Hans
> 
> 
> *
> 
> Hans-Christian Andersen
> **Web Application Developer, Vancouver, Canada*
> 
> 
> E: hans at phulse.com
> T: +44 (0)20 7193 7841
> L: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/andersenhc
> http://www.nokenode.com/
> 
> *Unique Gifts, Collectables, Artwork*
> *Come one, come all to.... *www.corinnajasmine.com
> *
> *
> 
> 
> 
> On 4 March 2013 16:08, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Hans:
>> 
>> I think I did cover that point.
>> 
>> "... though there are very little (no) differences other than 
>> cosmetic between desktop and server. They are both fully multi-user 
>> and use the same kernel. "
>> 
>> I think that having no GUI is ultimate cosmetic. ;-) According to the 
>> Ubuntu site, their server and desktop have been completely the same 
>> (other than the
>> GUI) and there have only been a few modest difference starting as of 
>> the
>> 12.04 version.
>> 
>> As for Microsoft not having servers with out a GUI, there is their 
>> latest offers, a Hyper-V Server 2012. It is free to download and run 
>> but it is totally command prompt driven. I understand there is a 
>> couple of packages out there, if needing some GUI but they are basic 
>> in
> the extreme.
>> 
>> http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/hyper-v-server/default.as
>> p
>> x
>> 
>> A friend is running his servers with the package and he is very 
>> pleased with it. It runs everything as virtual drives. It is not as 
>> fast as Linux but a lot faster than the regular MS Server 2012 and it 
>> is supposed to scale a lot easier and has full support for the Cloud 
>> as well as Samba server and Linux integration. (Why the GUI should 
>> affect the basic functionality I have no idea but that is what I am 
>> being told).
>> 
>> As a point of interest the DBA website is running off such a server.
>> 
>> I think most of us old guys grew up with the command prompt, with 
>> various minis, main-frames, UNIX and even DOS and would have little 
>> problem going back but only if demanded as we have become a little 
>> gentrified. You have to completely blame Apple for starting the whole 
>> GUI trend. ;-)
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Hans-Christian Andersen
>> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 12:30 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach
>> 
>> Hi Jim,
>> 
>> Just to add to your comment about Ubuntu, there are some slight 
>> differences between desktop and server. The most obvious one is thar 
>> Ubuntu server does not install with a GUI by default and this is a 
>> good thing. In my opinion and that of many in the industry, a GUI is 
>> a waste of system resources, as Linux can be administrated perfectly 
>> fine via the command line (bash and
>> ssh) and you have less software installed this less of a surface for 
>> security vulnerabilities. For those reasons and others, I'd say it is 
>> the superior choice for a server administrator, but that is sometimes 
>> a hard sell for someone more familiar with using Microsoft server 
>> operating systems, so you can still install a GUI if that is your
> preference.
>> 
>> Another difference is that the kernel for Ubuntu server is a little 
>> different. It's been optimised and tweaked more for a server 
>> environment and better performance in that respect. Which is nice.
>> 
>> The last notable difference is also the software packages available 
>> and the package repositories. They are not quite the same as the 
>> server version is geared more for stable software releases, while 
>> desktop is a bit more bleeding edge. Ubuntu also provides you with 
>> some services that you don't really get on the desktop version, such 
>> as Landscape, other cloud services and etc.
>> 
>> I run an Ubuntu server (still on 11.04 though, need to upgrade one of 
>> these days), but my experience so far in the last 2 or so years has 
>> been great. I recommend it if you want a good server OS and the other 
>> proper Linux server distros like CentOS and Debian are a bit
intimidating.
>> 
>> 
>> - Hans
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> 
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Mon Mar  4 21:43:35 2013
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2013 22:43:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] For All the MySql Fans - an Alternative Viewpoint
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9Fu5ugf+79_Fd3hA8j1WMW0_A7wAO2GsPj+hgB06EExg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <018a01ce1953$9dabe030$d903a090$@net>

Thanks much for this. I was almost thinking of moving to PHP, but this
article has me thinking: no way.
Interestingly, I've encountered one application written in PHP/MySQL.
I asked the developer for the SQL that ran it: the worst stuff I had ever
seen.
Tons and tons of SQL, done in loops. I was amazed it ran at all.
Get this: this app was STILL quick for a web app.

>
> Frankly, I've never even tried it, so I have no opinion on the product.
> I
> just thought the contrary point of view might be of interest to those
> using
> MySql as a BE to Access.
>
> http://grimoire.ca/mysql/choose-something-else
>
> Charlotte



From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar  4 22:14:38 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 20:14:38 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] New Approach
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I wasn't going to comment but those are just menus assembled using
power-scripts. Every server-system guy use to build these to speed up their
production...hardly a GUI more like a simple batch file printing ASCII
characters to the screen and written in something like Term, EDI, GEdit or
VI. 

Here are some simple samples of how to create menus using advanced-enhanced
Bash type scripts:

https://code.google.com/p/bashsimplecurses/

Many years ago, I built a series of menus for the PDP11-70 VMS to manage
tape backups, version control, monitoring volume resources and printing to
the plotter. Followed that up with building menus so clients could access
all their application on their PC, built menus so managing a Novell and
SCO-UNIX networks were faster. If you wanted to get fancy you could also
assembled them with such power tools as X-Windows, Perl scripts or even use
the old Lynx command line browser. These were hardly GUIs...just using the
good old common sense rule to always automate and use what ever tools are
available.

I hope using these tools did not disqualify me from ever being a expert
system-network-server administrator and just relocated me to being little
more than a script-kiddie? ;-)

Jim     

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
(VBACreations.Com)
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 6:38 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

Call that GUI ha ha ha.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 8:08 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

Hi Jim,

> As for Microsoft not having servers with out a GUI, there is their 
> latest offers,
a Hyper-V Server 2012. It is free to download and run but it is totally
command prompt driven. I understand there is a couple of packages out there,
if needing some GUI but they are basic in the extreme.

That's cool. This is just like what VMWare has been doing for quite a while.
But I would just like to point out 2 things:

First of all, it doesn't appear that Hyper-V Server 2012 is completely
GUI-less. It simply removes as much GUI as possible, but it is still there,
as you can see in this screenshot:
http://msinetpub.vo.llnwd.net/d1/matthester/blog/images/Hyper-V-ServerMatt_6
AC4/sconfig.png

Secondly, Hyper-V Server 2012 is not really a normal server OS. It's a
virtualisation server OS. It's purpose is simply to host virtual machines on
it that contain another OS. You can't use it for much else. So, if you are
trying to host a Windows server, you are inevitably going to have to install
a server with a GUI somewhere... except this time, you are doing it on top
of a virtualisation platform, which makes it even more resource intensive
than simply installing a server OS natively to host machine (or, to the bare
metal, as they say).

There are plenty of good reasons for doing this (for instance, you want
multiple servers without having to pay for extra hardware), but it doesn't
change the status quo regarding Windows Servers being GUI-driven.

> I think most of us old guys grew up with the command prompt, with 
> various minis,
main-frames, UNIX and even DOS and would have little problem going back but
only if demanded as we have become a little gentrified. You have to
completely blame Apple for starting the whole GUI trend. ;-)

For ordinary usage of a computer, GUI's are far superiour to a command-line
driven experience. I doubt very many people will dispute that. I'm speaking
more about servers, which is not meant to be interfaced directly by a human
(other than for administration by an expert).

>"... though there are very little (no) differences other than cosmetic 
>between
desktop and server. They are both fully multi-user and use the same kernel.
"

This appears to be a recent change in Ubuntu 12.04 and above. I'm still
running 11.04 and there are many differences besides the lack of a GUI. I
wonder why Canonical decided to go in this direction.


- Hans


*

Hans-Christian Andersen
**Web Application Developer, Vancouver, Canada*


E: hans at phulse.com
T: +44 (0)20 7193 7841
L: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/andersenhc
http://www.nokenode.com/

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*Come one, come all to.... *www.corinnajasmine.com
*
*



On 4 March 2013 16:08, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Hans:
>
> I think I did cover that point.
>
> "... though there are very little (no) differences other than cosmetic 
> between desktop and server. They are both fully multi-user and use the 
> same kernel. "
>
> I think that having no GUI is ultimate cosmetic. ;-) According to the 
> Ubuntu site, their server and desktop have been completely the same 
> (other than the
> GUI) and there have only been a few modest difference starting as of 
> the
> 12.04 version.
>
> As for Microsoft not having servers with out a GUI, there is their 
> latest offers, a Hyper-V Server 2012. It is free to download and run 
> but it is totally command prompt driven. I understand there is a 
> couple of packages out there, if needing some GUI but they are basic in
the extreme.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/hyper-v-server/default.asp
> x
>
> A friend is running his servers with the package and he is very 
> pleased with it. It runs everything as virtual drives. It is not as 
> fast as Linux but a lot faster than the regular MS Server 2012 and it 
> is supposed to scale a lot easier and has full support for the Cloud 
> as well as Samba server and Linux integration. (Why the GUI should 
> affect the basic functionality I have no idea but that is what I am 
> being told).
>
> As a point of interest the DBA website is running off such a server.
>
> I think most of us old guys grew up with the command prompt, with 
> various minis, main-frames, UNIX and even DOS and would have little 
> problem going back but only if demanded as we have become a little 
> gentrified. You have to completely blame Apple for starting the whole 
> GUI trend. ;-)
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Hans-Christian Andersen
> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 12:30 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> Just to add to your comment about Ubuntu, there are some slight 
> differences between desktop and server. The most obvious one is thar 
> Ubuntu server does not install with a GUI by default and this is a 
> good thing. In my opinion and that of many in the industry, a GUI is a 
> waste of system resources, as Linux can be administrated perfectly 
> fine via the command line (bash and
> ssh) and you have less software installed this less of a surface for 
> security vulnerabilities. For those reasons and others, I'd say it is 
> the superior choice for a server administrator, but that is sometimes 
> a hard sell for someone more familiar with using Microsoft server 
> operating systems, so you can still install a GUI if that is your
preference.
>
> Another difference is that the kernel for Ubuntu server is a little 
> different. It's been optimised and tweaked more for a server 
> environment and better performance in that respect. Which is nice.
>
> The last notable difference is also the software packages available 
> and the package repositories. They are not quite the same as the 
> server version is geared more for stable software releases, while 
> desktop is a bit more bleeding edge. Ubuntu also provides you with 
> some services that you don't really get on the desktop version, such 
> as Landscape, other cloud services and etc.
>
> I run an Ubuntu server (still on 11.04 though, need to upgrade one of 
> these days), but my experience so far in the last 2 or so years has 
> been great. I recommend it if you want a good server OS and the other 
> proper Linux server distros like CentOS and Debian are a bit intimidating.
>
>
> - Hans
>
>
> --
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Tue Mar  5 00:08:06 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 22:08:06 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] New Approach
In-Reply-To: <18E7EA7154E7412B99C3AF60C0BEB277@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <201303032254.r23MsQ84025884@databaseadvisors.com>
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Message-ID: <CAFj0BAyT-N4CA5d-XxZZaiYxD20rkCs9obwH1Du=Ga+RfOjjcQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jim,

Try looking at everything else outside the contents of the CMD.EXE windows.
This is what I'm referring to.

- Hans

*

*

On 4 March 2013 20:14, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> I wasn't going to comment but those are just menus assembled using
> power-scripts. Every server-system guy use to build these to speed up their
> production...hardly a GUI more like a simple batch file printing ASCII
> characters to the screen and written in something like Term, EDI, GEdit or
> VI.
>
> Here are some simple samples of how to create menus using advanced-enhanced
> Bash type scripts:
>
> https://code.google.com/p/bashsimplecurses/
>
> Many years ago, I built a series of menus for the PDP11-70 VMS to manage
> tape backups, version control, monitoring volume resources and printing to
> the plotter. Followed that up with building menus so clients could access
> all their application on their PC, built menus so managing a Novell and
> SCO-UNIX networks were faster. If you wanted to get fancy you could also
> assembled them with such power tools as X-Windows, Perl scripts or even use
> the old Lynx command line browser. These were hardly GUIs...just using the
> good old common sense rule to always automate and use what ever tools are
> available.
>
> I hope using these tools did not disqualify me from ever being a expert
> system-network-server administrator and just relocated me to being little
> more than a script-kiddie? ;-)
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
> (VBACreations.Com)
> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 6:38 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach
>
> Call that GUI ha ha ha.
>

From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Mar  5 02:11:58 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 09:11:58 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] New Approach
Message-ID: <001101ce1979$1bd47a10$537d6e30$@cactus.dk>

Hi Stuart

That is a very interesting reference. 
Everyone here (that included me) not familiar with Sharepoint - which is the
"database" running in Office 365 - should watch the video "Migrating Access
tables to Office 365" it's only 12 minutes.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL27E956A1537FE1C5&feature=plcp

What's not mentioned is performance. But for smaller databases I guess it is
OK.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Stuart McLachlan
Sendt: 4. marts 2013 22:24
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

On 4 Mar 2013 at 10:56, Rusty Hammond wrote:

> I've read a little about Access 2007/2010 being able to run with 
> linked/cached tables to a Sharepoint site, and can run disconnected 
> from the network/internet,  then when reconnected to the network, the 
> tables will synch up with the Sharepoint database.
> 
> Has anyone else heard of this and are you using it?  How well does it 
> work?  I've heard it works really well but don't know what the 
> limitations are (if any).
> 
> Rusty


A recent post on LinkedIn's PMADN by Albert Kaplan:
<quote>
A configuration that is working well for me is to use Access 2010 with
office 365.

So you purchase one office 365 p1 (small business plan). Total cost = $6 per
month.

You then take your application. Assuming split, you place the back end
tables on office 365.

You then link your desktop front end to that application.

You are done.

The application will now automatic run off line. And when you get back to
any internet connection. You can sync. All data from all other users will
appear on your system, and any changes you made will appear for everyone
else.

The beauty of this setup?

You write and use Access - regular VBA etc.
You don't have to write or setup a bunch of sync code - it is automatic and
built into Access.

Even better?

If you have Access 2010, the whole thing can be setup in less time than it
took me to make this post.

No server has to be setup.
No learning + setup or install of SQL server.
No purchase of new software.
No writing of a whole bunch of sync software.

I explain in the following video how you upload related tables to SharePoint
or office 365:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL27E956A1537FE1C5&feature=plcp

</quote> 



From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Mar  5 02:16:55 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 09:16:55 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] For All the MySql Fans - an Alternative Viewpoint
Message-ID: <001301ce1979$ccbbf3d0$6633db70$@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

Thanks, very interesting if you (expect to) have the slightest touch with
MySQL. 
Even among the many comments - ignoring the expected bashing of this brave
guy - much useful info can be found.

/gustav

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Charlotte Foust
Sendt: 5. marts 2013 00:52
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem
Emne: [AccessD] For All the MySql Fans - an Alternative Viewpoint

Frankly, I've never even tried it, so I have no opinion on the product.  I
just thought the contrary point of view might be of interest to those using
MySql as a BE to Access.

http://grimoire.ca/mysql/choose-something-else

Charlotte 



From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Mar  5 07:17:54 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 08:17:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] For All the MySql Fans - an Alternative Viewpoint
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9Fu5ugf+79_Fd3hA8j1WMW0_A7wAO2GsPj+hgB06EExg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH+Met9Fu5ugf+79_Fd3hA8j1WMW0_A7wAO2GsPj+hgB06EExg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5135F082.5090005@gmail.com>

LOL, the person is not enamored with MySQL eh?  It was an interesting read though.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 3/4/2013 6:52 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> Frankly, I've never even tried it, so I have no opinion on the product.  I
> just thought the contrary point of view might be of interest to those using
> MySql as a BE to Access.
>
> http://grimoire.ca/mysql/choose-something-else
>
> Charlotte


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Mar  5 07:21:25 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 08:21:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] New Approach
In-Reply-To: <DC025EE467E24CBD9282B6B73770A2B3@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <201303032254.r23MsQ84025884@databaseadvisors.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C5018994BB@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><003901ce18ee$1d740970$585c1c50$@comcast.net><1E40B6B80F1743208C778F270B2D3EF0@XPS><8E32FE0DDC0C443482C11964539C91CD@creativesystemdesigns.com>
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Message-ID: <5135F155.4090403@gmail.com>

>You have to completely blame Apple for starting the whole GUI trend. ;-)

LOL, yes Steve Jobs gets credit for everything he stole.

There is a story which goes something like this.

Steve Jobs was ranting to Bill Gates about Bill stealing the Gui look from Apple.  Bill replied "Well you stole it from Xerox"

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 3/4/2013 7:08 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi Hans:
>
> I think I did cover that point.
>
> "... though there are very little (no) differences other than cosmetic
> between desktop and server. They are both fully multi-user and use the same
> kernel. "
>
> I think that having no GUI is ultimate cosmetic. ;-) According to the Ubuntu
> site, their server and desktop have been completely the same (other than the
> GUI) and there have only been a few modest difference starting as of the
> 12.04 version.
>
> As for Microsoft not having servers with out a GUI, there is their latest
> offers, a Hyper-V Server 2012. It is free to download and run but it is
> totally command prompt driven. I understand there is a couple of packages
> out there, if needing some GUI but they are basic in the extreme.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/hyper-v-server/default.aspx
>
> A friend is running his servers with the package and he is very pleased with
> it. It runs everything as virtual drives. It is not as fast as Linux but a
> lot faster than the regular MS Server 2012 and it is supposed to scale a lot
> easier and has full support for the Cloud as well as Samba server and Linux
> integration. (Why the GUI should affect the basic functionality I have no
> idea but that is what I am being told).
>
> As a point of interest the DBA website is running off such a server.
>
> I think most of us old guys grew up with the command prompt, with various
> minis, main-frames, UNIX and even DOS and would have little problem going
> back but only if demanded as we have become a little gentrified. You have to
> completely blame Apple for starting the whole GUI trend. ;-)
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
> Andersen
> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 12:30 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> Just to add to your comment about Ubuntu, there are some slight differences
> between desktop and server. The most obvious one is thar Ubuntu server does
> not install with a GUI by default and this is a good thing. In my opinion
> and that of many in the industry, a GUI is a waste of system resources, as
> Linux can be administrated perfectly fine via the command line (bash and
> ssh) and you have less software installed this less of a surface for
> security vulnerabilities. For those reasons and others, I'd say it is the
> superior choice for a server administrator, but that is sometimes a hard
> sell for someone more familiar with using Microsoft server operating
> systems, so you can still install a GUI if that is your preference.
>
> Another difference is that the kernel for Ubuntu server is a little
> different. It's been optimised and tweaked more for a server environment and
> better performance in that respect. Which is nice.
>
> The last notable difference is also the software packages available and the
> package repositories. They are not quite the same as the server version is
> geared more for stable software releases, while desktop is a bit more
> bleeding edge. Ubuntu also provides you with some services that you don't
> really get on the desktop version, such as Landscape, other cloud services
> and etc.
>
> I run an Ubuntu server (still on 11.04 though, need to upgrade one of these
> days), but my experience so far in the last 2 or so years has been great. I
> recommend it if you want a good server OS and the other proper Linux server
> distros like CentOS and Debian are a bit intimidating.
>
>
> - Hans
>
>


From jm.hwsn at gmail.com  Tue Mar  5 08:33:17 2013
From: jm.hwsn at gmail.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 08:33:17 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 - compacted
Message-ID: <CACbV_8OpmKWJf-WwYrFf=D0NXQaMbh+WLuOapxqYteZDVW56dw@mail.gmail.com>

I had something happen that I can't explain. I hope someone on this list
could shed some light on it.

I have a complex database, 77 tables (2 linked, 2 user system), 518
queries, 161 forms, 146 reports, 29 modules and 2 classes and approximatel
42,000 lines of code.

While I was creating this database the size increased.  The latest was over
92 MB.
I was doing some trouble shooting because one query wasn't working
correctly with one of the linked tables.
I got an error message... stating it couldn't find a field in the query and
then it shut down.
I reopened the database did the usual - compile, saved, etc. I fixed the
error and then the issue went away.
Then I did a compact and repair.
Everything is working, all the code is there, it's as if nothing happened.
Great! I'm back in business.

I checked the size of the it's down to 22.3 MB! How can that happen? - goes
from over 92 MB to 22.3 MB.
I'm happy the file size is down and everything works! It also seems to work
faster.
I'm confused.

Can that be explained?

From davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com  Tue Mar  5 08:42:31 2013
From: davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com (David A Gibson)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 08:42:31 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Query Line Coloring
Message-ID: <013301ce19af$ab1a1eb0$014e5c10$@gmail.com>

I have an output (Select) query that I would like to highlight (in red,
yellow, or something) any of the lines where the age of the individual is
<22.  I didn't see any options that would provide that capability.  Could do
that in a report but wanted to see if anyone had done something similar in a
query.

David Gibson


From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Tue Mar  5 08:42:12 2013
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 09:42:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 - compacted
In-Reply-To: <CACbV_8OpmKWJf-WwYrFf=D0NXQaMbh+WLuOapxqYteZDVW56dw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACbV_8OpmKWJf-WwYrFf=D0NXQaMbh+WLuOapxqYteZDVW56dw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAv05=tkvjecL8bojVTytW40NG1o-fLURTr2p-rH91vA8w@mail.gmail.com>

When was the last C&R done? Could just be garbage collection if it's been a
long time and there's been a lot of "development"  and/or temporary tables
etc.
Just a quick thought until others respond....

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Jim Hewson <jm.hwsn at gmail.com> wrote:

> I had something happen that I can't explain. I hope someone on this list
> could shed some light on it.
>
> I have a complex database, 77 tables (2 linked, 2 user system), 518
> queries, 161 forms, 146 reports, 29 modules and 2 classes and approximatel
> 42,000 lines of code.
>
> While I was creating this database the size increased.  The latest was over
> 92 MB.
> I was doing some trouble shooting because one query wasn't working
> correctly with one of the linked tables.
> I got an error message... stating it couldn't find a field in the query and
> then it shut down.
> I reopened the database did the usual - compile, saved, etc. I fixed the
> error and then the issue went away.
> Then I did a compact and repair.
> Everything is working, all the code is there, it's as if nothing happened.
> Great! I'm back in business.
>
> I checked the size of the it's down to 22.3 MB! How can that happen? - goes
> from over 92 MB to 22.3 MB.
> I'm happy the file size is down and everything works! It also seems to work
> faster.
> I'm confused.
>
> Can that be explained?
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From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Tue Mar  5 08:57:15 2013
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 08:57:15 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] New Approach
In-Reply-To: <201303042301.r24N1UNV029560@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701F38FB86@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<201303042301.r24N1UNV029560@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701F38FB89@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>

But doesn't that package cost more than just the stand alone desktop
product?

I was really just trying to say that in order to get the database to the
web, other desktop rdbms's require additional components to get there.
It's not just Microsoft Access that requires those additional
components.


Rusty

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 5:01 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

Hey Rusty
Alpha Five and Filemaker each have a web component and they require
additional paid for components installed on a server too.

Not true if you buy the package.

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond
Sent: March-04-13 4:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

Nice.

I can envision a Surface Pro tablet, loaded with Access 2010 (or the
free runtime), workers in the field adding/editing data on the tablet.
If they have an internet connection, great the data syncs, if they are
somewhere they don't have a connection, fine, it syncs when they do have
a connection.

For management, they have a copy of the app back at the office for
reporting - OR - setup reports in Report Server pulling from the
Sharepoint site.

Nice portable application, uses existing MS Access front end, no
learning curve for us Access developers, except how to attach to a
Sharepoint site or Office 365 account.

Then there's the Access Web database.  Used to create an application
using Sharepoint with Access Web Services installed.  No VBA but uses
the new macro's.  End user doesn't need Access installed, just a web
browser.  May not be the solution for all database apps, but for simple
data entry and reporting, may work very well for a mobile application.

Alpha Five and Filemaker each have a web component and they require
additional paid for components installed on a server too.

I'm just not sure I buy the idea that MS has given up on Access just
yet.  

Just my 2 cents.

Rusty


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 3:24 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

On 4 Mar 2013 at 10:56, Rusty Hammond wrote:

> I've read a little about Access 2007/2010 being able to run with 
> linked/cached tables to a Sharepoint site, and can run disconnected 
> from the network/internet,  then when reconnected to the network, the 
> tables will synch up with the Sharepoint database.
> 
> Has anyone else heard of this and are you using it?  How well does it 
> work?  I've heard it works really well but don't know what the 
> limitations are (if any).
> 
> Rusty


A recent post on LinkedIn's PMADN by Albert Kaplan:
<quote>
A configuration that is working well for me is to use Access 2010 with
office 365.

So you purchase one office 365 p1 (small business plan). Total cost = $6
per month.

You then take your application. Assuming split, you place the back end
tables on office 365.

You then link your desktop front end to that application.

You are done.

The application will now automatic run off line. And when you get back
to any internet connection. You can sync. All data from all other users
will appear on your system, and any changes you made will appear for
everyone else.

The beauty of this setup?

You write and use Access - regular VBA etc.
You don't have to write or setup a bunch of sync code - it is automatic
and built into Access.

Even better?

If you have Access 2010, the whole thing can be setup in less time than
it took me to make this post.

No server has to be setup.
No learning + setup or install of SQL server.
No purchase of new software.
No writing of a whole bunch of sync software.

I explain in the following video how you upload related tables to
SharePoint or office 365:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL27E956A1537FE1C5&feature=plcp

</quote>
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Mar  5 09:32:08 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 10:32:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 - compacted
In-Reply-To: <CACbV_8OpmKWJf-WwYrFf=D0NXQaMbh+WLuOapxqYteZDVW56dw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACbV_8OpmKWJf-WwYrFf=D0NXQaMbh+WLuOapxqYteZDVW56dw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51360FF8.4030100@gmail.com>

Jim,

You didn't say what version of Access.

I have seen a bug where I would start running something (it was long ago and my memory is failing) 
but basically if you watched the database in explorer it would just grow and grow and grow... IIRC 
it was code executing that triggered it.  At any rate I would have to go into task manager and stop 
it.  Decompile / compile / compact / repair and all would be right with the world including getting 
rid of whatever was in the "expanded" container.

It was always in very complex containers.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 3/5/2013 9:33 AM, Jim Hewson wrote:
> I had something happen that I can't explain. I hope someone on this list
> could shed some light on it.
>
> I have a complex database, 77 tables (2 linked, 2 user system), 518
> queries, 161 forms, 146 reports, 29 modules and 2 classes and approximatel
> 42,000 lines of code.
>
> While I was creating this database the size increased.  The latest was over
> 92 MB.
> I was doing some trouble shooting because one query wasn't working
> correctly with one of the linked tables.
> I got an error message... stating it couldn't find a field in the query and
> then it shut down.
> I reopened the database did the usual - compile, saved, etc. I fixed the
> error and then the issue went away.
> Then I did a compact and repair.
> Everything is working, all the code is there, it's as if nothing happened.
> Great! I'm back in business.
>
> I checked the size of the it's down to 22.3 MB! How can that happen? - goes
> from over 92 MB to 22.3 MB.
> I'm happy the file size is down and everything works! It also seems to work
> faster.
> I'm confused.
>
> Can that be explained?


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Mar  5 09:37:08 2013
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 10:37:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 - compacted
In-Reply-To: <CACbV_8OpmKWJf-WwYrFf=D0NXQaMbh+WLuOapxqYteZDVW56dw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACbV_8OpmKWJf-WwYrFf=D0NXQaMbh+WLuOapxqYteZDVW56dw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A8F4905527A14F8BAD3F2C55E363594C@XPS>


 Sounds like the VBA project was out of whack...

 Did you do a /decompile at any point or import into a fresh DB container?
If so, all the compiled pseudo code was dumped.

Jim. 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hewson
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 09:33 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 - compacted

I had something happen that I can't explain. I hope someone on this list
could shed some light on it.

I have a complex database, 77 tables (2 linked, 2 user system), 518
queries, 161 forms, 146 reports, 29 modules and 2 classes and approximatel
42,000 lines of code.

While I was creating this database the size increased.  The latest was over
92 MB.
I was doing some trouble shooting because one query wasn't working
correctly with one of the linked tables.
I got an error message... stating it couldn't find a field in the query and
then it shut down.
I reopened the database did the usual - compile, saved, etc. I fixed the
error and then the issue went away.
Then I did a compact and repair.
Everything is working, all the code is there, it's as if nothing happened.
Great! I'm back in business.

I checked the size of the it's down to 22.3 MB! How can that happen? - goes
from over 92 MB to 22.3 MB.
I'm happy the file size is down and everything works! It also seems to work
faster.
I'm confused.

Can that be explained?
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From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Tue Mar  5 10:31:14 2013
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 10:31:14 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] New Approach
In-Reply-To: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701F38FB89@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
Message-ID: <201303051631.r25GVI1Q001514@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey Rusty
Yes.
I bought a combined package with all the necessary bells and whistles. Let
me spend the next couple of weeks working with Alpha Five and I will post an
evaluation of what I bought and how well it works. This is all new to an old
fart like myself.

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond
Sent: March-05-13 8:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

But doesn't that package cost more than just the stand alone desktop
product?

I was really just trying to say that in order to get the database to the
web, other desktop rdbms's require additional components to get there.
It's not just Microsoft Access that requires those additional
components.


Rusty

 

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 5:01 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

Hey Rusty
Alpha Five and Filemaker each have a web component and they require
additional paid for components installed on a server too.

Not true if you buy the package.

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: March-04-13 4:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

Nice.

I can envision a Surface Pro tablet, loaded with Access 2010 (or the
free runtime), workers in the field adding/editing data on the tablet.
If they have an internet connection, great the data syncs, if they are
somewhere they don't have a connection, fine, it syncs when they do have
a connection.

For management, they have a copy of the app back at the office for
reporting - OR - setup reports in Report Server pulling from the
Sharepoint site.

Nice portable application, uses existing MS Access front end, no
learning curve for us Access developers, except how to attach to a
Sharepoint site or Office 365 account.

Then there's the Access Web database.  Used to create an application
using Sharepoint with Access Web Services installed.  No VBA but uses
the new macro's.  End user doesn't need Access installed, just a web
browser.  May not be the solution for all database apps, but for simple
data entry and reporting, may work very well for a mobile application.

Alpha Five and Filemaker each have a web component and they require
additional paid for components installed on a server too.

I'm just not sure I buy the idea that MS has given up on Access just
yet.  

Just my 2 cents.

Rusty


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 3:24 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

On 4 Mar 2013 at 10:56, Rusty Hammond wrote:

> I've read a little about Access 2007/2010 being able to run with 
> linked/cached tables to a Sharepoint site, and can run disconnected 
> from the network/internet,  then when reconnected to the network, the 
> tables will synch up with the Sharepoint database.
> 
> Has anyone else heard of this and are you using it?  How well does it 
> work?  I've heard it works really well but don't know what the 
> limitations are (if any).
> 
> Rusty


A recent post on LinkedIn's PMADN by Albert Kaplan:
<quote>
A configuration that is working well for me is to use Access 2010 with
office 365.

So you purchase one office 365 p1 (small business plan). Total cost = $6
per month.

You then take your application. Assuming split, you place the back end
tables on office 365.

You then link your desktop front end to that application.

You are done.

The application will now automatic run off line. And when you get back
to any internet connection. You can sync. All data from all other users
will appear on your system, and any changes you made will appear for
everyone else.

The beauty of this setup?

You write and use Access - regular VBA etc.
You don't have to write or setup a bunch of sync code - it is automatic
and built into Access.

Even better?

If you have Access 2010, the whole thing can be setup in less time than
it took me to make this post.

No server has to be setup.
No learning + setup or install of SQL server.
No purchase of new software.
No writing of a whole bunch of sync software.

I explain in the following video how you upload related tables to
SharePoint or office 365:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL27E956A1537FE1C5&feature=plcp

</quote>
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From jm.hwsn at gmail.com  Tue Mar  5 10:41:45 2013
From: jm.hwsn at gmail.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 10:41:45 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 - compacted
In-Reply-To: <A8F4905527A14F8BAD3F2C55E363594C@XPS>
References: <CACbV_8OpmKWJf-WwYrFf=D0NXQaMbh+WLuOapxqYteZDVW56dw@mail.gmail.com>
	<A8F4905527A14F8BAD3F2C55E363594C@XPS>
Message-ID: <CACbV_8PTvXKDrCaHEszTNgdhOjwuvc02GSPh_6hfdhtNTh0Qtg@mail.gmail.com>

I usually C&R every other day or so when I'm working on code.
I've been working on this project for three years and it has never gone
down so drastically.
I've done a /decompile in the past but never got a reduction like this.
John - it's Access 2007.
Yes, I've exported everything out and created a fresh container a couple of
times, but that usually only gives me a few MB back.
This just has me flummoxed.
Whatever the reason... I'm a happy camper!
Thanks for your thoughts.
Jim

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>  Sounds like the VBA project was out of whack...
>
>  Did you do a /decompile at any point or import into a fresh DB container?
> If so, all the compiled pseudo code was dumped.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hewson
> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 09:33 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 - compacted
>
> I had something happen that I can't explain. I hope someone on this list
> could shed some light on it.
>
> I have a complex database, 77 tables (2 linked, 2 user system), 518
> queries, 161 forms, 146 reports, 29 modules and 2 classes and approximatel
> 42,000 lines of code.
>
> While I was creating this database the size increased.  The latest was over
> 92 MB.
> I was doing some trouble shooting because one query wasn't working
> correctly with one of the linked tables.
> I got an error message... stating it couldn't find a field in the query and
> then it shut down.
> I reopened the database did the usual - compile, saved, etc. I fixed the
> error and then the issue went away.
> Then I did a compact and repair.
> Everything is working, all the code is there, it's as if nothing happened.
> Great! I'm back in business.
>
> I checked the size of the it's down to 22.3 MB! How can that happen? - goes
> from over 92 MB to 22.3 MB.
> I'm happy the file size is down and everything works! It also seems to work
> faster.
> I'm confused.
>
> Can that be explained?
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Mar  5 10:57:37 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 08:57:37 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] New Approach
In-Reply-To: <001101ce1979$1bd47a10$537d6e30$@cactus.dk>
References: <001101ce1979$1bd47a10$537d6e30$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <ACF7267E9F4140689A31B724EFAA8C10@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Interesting.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 12:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

Hi Stuart

That is a very interesting reference. 
Everyone here (that included me) not familiar with Sharepoint - which is the
"database" running in Office 365 - should watch the video "Migrating Access
tables to Office 365" it's only 12 minutes.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL27E956A1537FE1C5&feature=plcp

What's not mentioned is performance. But for smaller databases I guess it is
OK.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Stuart McLachlan
Sendt: 4. marts 2013 22:24
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

On 4 Mar 2013 at 10:56, Rusty Hammond wrote:

> I've read a little about Access 2007/2010 being able to run with 
> linked/cached tables to a Sharepoint site, and can run disconnected 
> from the network/internet,  then when reconnected to the network, the 
> tables will synch up with the Sharepoint database.
> 
> Has anyone else heard of this and are you using it?  How well does it 
> work?  I've heard it works really well but don't know what the 
> limitations are (if any).
> 
> Rusty


A recent post on LinkedIn's PMADN by Albert Kaplan:
<quote>
A configuration that is working well for me is to use Access 2010 with
office 365.

So you purchase one office 365 p1 (small business plan). Total cost = $6 per
month.

You then take your application. Assuming split, you place the back end
tables on office 365.

You then link your desktop front end to that application.

You are done.

The application will now automatic run off line. And when you get back to
any internet connection. You can sync. All data from all other users will
appear on your system, and any changes you made will appear for everyone
else.

The beauty of this setup?

You write and use Access - regular VBA etc.
You don't have to write or setup a bunch of sync code - it is automatic and
built into Access.

Even better?

If you have Access 2010, the whole thing can be setup in less time than it
took me to make this post.

No server has to be setup.
No learning + setup or install of SQL server.
No purchase of new software.
No writing of a whole bunch of sync software.

I explain in the following video how you upload related tables to SharePoint
or office 365:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL27E956A1537FE1C5&feature=plcp

</quote> 


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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Tue Mar  5 11:04:10 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 09:04:10 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] For All the MySql Fans - an Alternative Viewpoint
In-Reply-To: <018a01ce1953$9dabe030$d903a090$@net>
References: <CAH+Met9Fu5ugf+79_Fd3hA8j1WMW0_A7wAO2GsPj+hgB06EExg@mail.gmail.com>
	<018a01ce1953$9dabe030$d903a090$@net>
Message-ID: <50ED325D-A8C7-446F-A750-5F32CE6A4FAD@phulse.com>

A tool is only as good as the developer using it.

- Hans


On 2013-03-04, at 7:43 PM, "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> Thanks much for this. I was almost thinking of moving to PHP, but this
> article has me thinking: no way.
> Interestingly, I've encountered one application written in PHP/MySQL.
> I asked the developer for the SQL that ran it: the worst stuff I had ever
> seen.
> Tons and tons of SQL, done in loops. I was amazed it ran at all.
> Get this: this app was STILL quick for a web app.
> 
>> 
>> Frankly, I've never even tried it, so I have no opinion on the product.
>> I
>> just thought the contrary point of view might be of interest to those
>> using
>> MySql as a BE to Access.
>> 
>> http://grimoire.ca/mysql/choose-something-else
>> 
>> Charlotte
> 
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From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Tue Mar  5 11:17:30 2013
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 11:17:30 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] New Approach
In-Reply-To: <ACF7267E9F4140689A31B724EFAA8C10@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <001101ce1979$1bd47a10$537d6e30$@cactus.dk>
	<ACF7267E9F4140689A31B724EFAA8C10@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701F38FB8C@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>

One thing I'm thinking of using this for is a calendar in a Sharepoint site.  I have an app that keeps track of medical appointments for clients.  I can link to the Sharepoint site/table used for the calendar, populate it with the data from my app, then anyone with rights to the Sharepoint site can see the appointments calendar without having to get into the Access application.  Right now the workstations would always be connected to the network, but future state the entry could be made into a tablet at the doctor's office when the next appointment is made, when they get back, the app is synched.  No more bringing back a paper form and making sure it gets entered into the system.

I'll eventually start looking into Access Web services and create a front end in Sharepoint for simple data entry of items like this.  Then it can be done from a smartphone.

The client still uses their existing application so no loss of the investment they have already made.  They don't have to pay to re-write the whole system to the web, but they get the web capabilities.

The possibilities just grow from there.

Rusty



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 10:58 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

Interesting.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 12:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

Hi Stuart

That is a very interesting reference. 
Everyone here (that included me) not familiar with Sharepoint - which is the "database" running in Office 365 - should watch the video "Migrating Access tables to Office 365" it's only 12 minutes.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL27E956A1537FE1C5&feature=plcp

What's not mentioned is performance. But for smaller databases I guess it is OK.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Stuart McLachlan
Sendt: 4. marts 2013 22:24
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

On 4 Mar 2013 at 10:56, Rusty Hammond wrote:

> I've read a little about Access 2007/2010 being able to run with 
> linked/cached tables to a Sharepoint site, and can run disconnected 
> from the network/internet,  then when reconnected to the network, the 
> tables will synch up with the Sharepoint database.
> 
> Has anyone else heard of this and are you using it?  How well does it 
> work?  I've heard it works really well but don't know what the 
> limitations are (if any).
> 
> Rusty


A recent post on LinkedIn's PMADN by Albert Kaplan:
<quote>
A configuration that is working well for me is to use Access 2010 with office 365.

So you purchase one office 365 p1 (small business plan). Total cost = $6 per month.

You then take your application. Assuming split, you place the back end tables on office 365.

You then link your desktop front end to that application.

You are done.

The application will now automatic run off line. And when you get back to any internet connection. You can sync. All data from all other users will appear on your system, and any changes you made will appear for everyone else.

The beauty of this setup?

You write and use Access - regular VBA etc.
You don't have to write or setup a bunch of sync code - it is automatic and built into Access.

Even better?

If you have Access 2010, the whole thing can be setup in less time than it took me to make this post.

No server has to be setup.
No learning + setup or install of SQL server.
No purchase of new software.
No writing of a whole bunch of sync software.

I explain in the following video how you upload related tables to SharePoint or office 365:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL27E956A1537FE1C5&feature=plcp

</quote> 


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Mar  5 11:32:21 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 09:32:21 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 - compacted
In-Reply-To: <CACbV_8OpmKWJf-WwYrFf=D0NXQaMbh+WLuOapxqYteZDVW56dw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <64DAFB09A45044379FC5816CAF572AE4@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Jim:

In order to increase speed of a database (even more so in a network type
environment) in many cases it is easier, when a record is deleted to just
turn it off so it is no longer displayed. 

Logically, the system should be able to go back and use the old record
position for a new record but if the system uses Sparse Storage, in
otherwards, only stores filled fields, the deleted record space is no longer
the same size. A similar situation may happen when a table is modified is
some way. There are a number of other situations that may cause the system
waste or leave unused space and until the database is compacted, unusable
space. Unlike memory management, like garbage collection, this process can
not happen in real time as given the potential of issues and time
constraints especially in a multi-user environment. So every record addition
or change is just added to the end of the table space.

In conclusion, compacting an active database, like an MS Access MDB, when it
is no being used should be a regular discipline. Note that the MDB database
was never designed to work in a large active multi-user environments but it
is just fine for a small Mom an Pop type businesses.     

If you are going to be building or maintaining a growing and/or active
system do yourself a favour and move to another BE database with greater
capabilities...

Jim

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hewson
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 6:33 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 - compacted

I had something happen that I can't explain. I hope someone on this list
could shed some light on it.

I have a complex database, 77 tables (2 linked, 2 user system), 518
queries, 161 forms, 146 reports, 29 modules and 2 classes and approximatel
42,000 lines of code.

While I was creating this database the size increased.  The latest was over
92 MB.
I was doing some trouble shooting because one query wasn't working
correctly with one of the linked tables.
I got an error message... stating it couldn't find a field in the query and
then it shut down.
I reopened the database did the usual - compile, saved, etc. I fixed the
error and then the issue went away.
Then I did a compact and repair.
Everything is working, all the code is there, it's as if nothing happened.
Great! I'm back in business.

I checked the size of the it's down to 22.3 MB! How can that happen? - goes
from over 92 MB to 22.3 MB.
I'm happy the file size is down and everything works! It also seems to work
faster.
I'm confused.

Can that be explained?
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Mar  5 11:57:42 2013
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 12:57:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] New Approach
In-Reply-To: <001101ce1979$1bd47a10$537d6e30$@cactus.dk>
References: <001101ce1979$1bd47a10$537d6e30$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <F8405E6C9C3E43299BDA0F42F890DA5A@XPS>


 Note that with 2010, data is stored in SharePoint lists, not SQL.

 Best practice for SharePoint is to not have a list exceed 5000 items.

 A2013 is running against Azure and is another ball game entirely.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 03:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

Hi Stuart

That is a very interesting reference. 
Everyone here (that included me) not familiar with Sharepoint - which is the
"database" running in Office 365 - should watch the video "Migrating Access
tables to Office 365" it's only 12 minutes.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL27E956A1537FE1C5&feature=plcp

What's not mentioned is performance. But for smaller databases I guess it is
OK.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Stuart McLachlan
Sendt: 4. marts 2013 22:24
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

On 4 Mar 2013 at 10:56, Rusty Hammond wrote:

> I've read a little about Access 2007/2010 being able to run with 
> linked/cached tables to a Sharepoint site, and can run disconnected 
> from the network/internet,  then when reconnected to the network, the 
> tables will synch up with the Sharepoint database.
> 
> Has anyone else heard of this and are you using it?  How well does it 
> work?  I've heard it works really well but don't know what the 
> limitations are (if any).
> 
> Rusty


A recent post on LinkedIn's PMADN by Albert Kaplan:
<quote>
A configuration that is working well for me is to use Access 2010 with
office 365.

So you purchase one office 365 p1 (small business plan). Total cost = $6 per
month.

You then take your application. Assuming split, you place the back end
tables on office 365.

You then link your desktop front end to that application.

You are done.

The application will now automatic run off line. And when you get back to
any internet connection. You can sync. All data from all other users will
appear on your system, and any changes you made will appear for everyone
else.

The beauty of this setup?

You write and use Access - regular VBA etc.
You don't have to write or setup a bunch of sync code - it is automatic and
built into Access.

Even better?

If you have Access 2010, the whole thing can be setup in less time than it
took me to make this post.

No server has to be setup.
No learning + setup or install of SQL server.
No purchase of new software.
No writing of a whole bunch of sync software.

I explain in the following video how you upload related tables to SharePoint
or office 365:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL27E956A1537FE1C5&feature=plcp

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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Tue Mar  5 12:26:56 2013
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 10:26:56 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Query Line Coloring
In-Reply-To: <013301ce19af$ab1a1eb0$014e5c10$@gmail.com>
References: <013301ce19af$ab1a1eb0$014e5c10$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9ELZizGy92XAQgrihgSgYxiawR6rTN5Ecfm2NSqEjG4Q@mail.gmail.com>

Queries are the result of SQL statements.  I don't know of any SQL commands
that would allow you to do that.  Datasheets have more properties, and you
might want to display the results in a datasheet.

Charlotte

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 6:42 AM, David A Gibson <
davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have an output (Select) query that I would like to highlight (in red,
> yellow, or something) any of the lines where the age of the individual is
> <22.  I didn't see any options that would provide that capability.  Could
> do
> that in a report but wanted to see if anyone had done something similar in
> a
> query.
>
> David Gibson
>
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Tue Mar  5 12:42:08 2013
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 10:42:08 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT C# Try Catch question
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWZy1GtBT3-+5RKhr4bdFb-7g96DrP7BggD21bGYy2817A@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry for the OT question, just wondering if someone here knows the answer.

            try
            {
               //Some stuff here;
            }
            catch (Exception ex)
            {
                return false;
            }

The variable 'ex' is declared but never used

You can get rid of the error by doing something like writing ex to the
console, but is there a better/standard way of avoiding the warning?


Thanks,
David

From RRANTHON at sentara.com  Tue Mar  5 12:51:44 2013
From: RRANTHON at sentara.com (RANDALL R ANTHONY)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 18:51:44 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT C# Try Catch question
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWZy1GtBT3-+5RKhr4bdFb-7g96DrP7BggD21bGYy2817A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMhYZWZy1GtBT3-+5RKhr4bdFb-7g96DrP7BggD21bGYy2817A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201303051851.r25Ipt1g003506@databaseadvisors.com>

David,
If you're going to use try/catch, use it, ie...  Of course the CreateLogFile class needs to be written to handle that...  HTH.
            try
            {
               //Some stuff here;
            }
	Else
            {
                return false;
            }
            catch (Exception ex)
            {
                CreateLogFile(ex.Message + " Error during whatever it you're trying to do module."); //Write to the error log
            }
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Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 1:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT C# Try Catch question

Sorry for the OT question, just wondering if someone here knows the answer.

            try
            {
               //Some stuff here;
            }
            catch (Exception ex)
            {
                return false;
            }

The variable 'ex' is declared but never used

You can get rid of the error by doing something like writing ex to the console, but is there a better/standard way of avoiding the warning?


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From steve at goodhall.info  Tue Mar  5 12:55:29 2013
From: steve at goodhall.info (Steve Goodhall)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 13:55:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT C# Try Catch question
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWZy1GtBT3-+5RKhr4bdFb-7g96DrP7BggD21bGYy2817A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMhYZWZy1GtBT3-+5RKhr4bdFb-7g96DrP7BggD21bGYy2817A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <633a7691-e446-44d6-b2fb-e8e188d6984d@blur>

I believe you can write the "catch" without the parameter. Don't have the  
right machine with me to verify that. I will tey it tonight.

Steve Goodhall

-----Original message-----
From: David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com>
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving  
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tue, Mar 5, 2013 18:44:09 GMT+00:00
Subject: [AccessD] OT C# Try Catch question

Sorry for the OT question, just wondering if someone here knows the answer.

            try
            {
               //Some stuff here;
            }
            catch (Exception ex)
            {
                return false;
            }

The variable 'ex' is declared but never used

You can get rid of the error by doing something like writing ex to the
console, but is there a better/standard way of avoiding the warning?


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From davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com  Tue Mar  5 13:00:06 2013
From: davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com (David A Gibson)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 13:00:06 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Query Line Coloring
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9ELZizGy92XAQgrihgSgYxiawR6rTN5Ecfm2NSqEjG4Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <013301ce19af$ab1a1eb0$014e5c10$@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met9ELZizGy92XAQgrihgSgYxiawR6rTN5Ecfm2NSqEjG4Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <019001ce19d3$a8264fc0$f872ef40$@gmail.com>

Thanks.  I figured about as much.

David Gibson

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 12:27 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Query Line Coloring

Queries are the result of SQL statements.  I don't know of any SQL commands
that would allow you to do that.  Datasheets have more properties, and you
might want to display the results in a datasheet.

Charlotte

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 6:42 AM, David A Gibson <
davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have an output (Select) query that I would like to highlight (in 
> red, yellow, or something) any of the lines where the age of the 
> individual is <22.  I didn't see any options that would provide that 
> capability.  Could do that in a report but wanted to see if anyone had 
> done something similar in a query.
>
> David Gibson
>
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Tue Mar  5 13:02:57 2013
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 11:02:57 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT C# Try Catch question
In-Reply-To: <633a7691-e446-44d6-b2fb-e8e188d6984d@blur>
References: <CAMhYZWZy1GtBT3-+5RKhr4bdFb-7g96DrP7BggD21bGYy2817A@mail.gmail.com>
	<633a7691-e446-44d6-b2fb-e8e188d6984d@blur>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWZQ--oEB5mjX-qfFUhQwdmCGQKANivrNQ=PUi4mGG4A3A@mail.gmail.com>

You're right.

It's another developer's code, in their own section, so I don't want to go
correcting them.
I don't like getting warnings, much less errors, when building the project.

I did remove ex when it wasn't being used, and the warnings did go away.

I tend you use the ex when I put it in, so I didn't even think it wasn't
needed.

Thanks to both of you.

David

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Steve Goodhall <steve at goodhall.info> wrote:

> I believe you can write the "catch" without the parameter. Don't have the
> right machine with me to verify that. I will tey it tonight.
>
> Steve Goodhall
>
>
> -----Original message-----
> From: David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com>
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tue, Mar 5, 2013 18:44:09 GMT+00:00
> Subject: [AccessD] OT C# Try Catch question
>
> Sorry for the OT question, just wondering if someone here knows the answer.
>
>            try
>            {
>               //Some stuff here;
>            }
>            catch (Exception ex)
>            {
>                return false;
>            }
>
> The variable 'ex' is declared but never used
>
> You can get rid of the error by doing something like writing ex to the
> console, but is there a better/standard way of avoiding the warning?
>
>
> Thanks,
> David
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From lmrazek at lcm-res.com  Tue Mar  5 13:10:31 2013
From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com (Lawrence Mrazek)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 13:10:31 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT C# Try Catch question
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWZQ--oEB5mjX-qfFUhQwdmCGQKANivrNQ=PUi4mGG4A3A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMhYZWZy1GtBT3-+5RKhr4bdFb-7g96DrP7BggD21bGYy2817A@mail.gmail.com>
	<633a7691-e446-44d6-b2fb-e8e188d6984d@blur>
	<CAMhYZWZQ--oEB5mjX-qfFUhQwdmCGQKANivrNQ=PUi4mGG4A3A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAiUzaR1eZAODOChpSuJyqv7NBNg+tFArNJ9OP7a0niKziQApg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi David:

Just an aside, if you need to log your error messages, you may want to
checkout Log4Net, an open source logging tool that is easy to setup, and
allows you to write error messages to the Event Log, DB or Text file. See:
http://logging.apache.org/log4net/ ... plus there are a lot of tutorials
available on the net to help with setup and configuration.

Larry

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 1:02 PM, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com> wrote:

> You're right.
>
> It's another developer's code, in their own section, so I don't want to go
> correcting them.
> I don't like getting warnings, much less errors, when building the project.
>
> I did remove ex when it wasn't being used, and the warnings did go away.
>
> I tend you use the ex when I put it in, so I didn't even think it wasn't
> needed.
>
> Thanks to both of you.
>
> David
>
> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Steve Goodhall <steve at goodhall.info>
> wrote:
>
> > I believe you can write the "catch" without the parameter. Don't have the
> > right machine with me to verify that. I will tey it tonight.
> >
> > Steve Goodhall
> >
> >
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com>
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <
> > accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Tue, Mar 5, 2013 18:44:09 GMT+00:00
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT C# Try Catch question
> >
> > Sorry for the OT question, just wondering if someone here knows the
> answer.
> >
> >            try
> >            {
> >               //Some stuff here;
> >            }
> >            catch (Exception ex)
> >            {
> >                return false;
> >            }
> >
> > The variable 'ex' is declared but never used
> >
> > You can get rid of the error by doing something like writing ex to the
> > console, but is there a better/standard way of avoiding the warning?
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > David
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From jm.hwsn at gmail.com  Tue Mar  5 13:17:00 2013
From: jm.hwsn at gmail.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 13:17:00 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 - compacted
In-Reply-To: <64DAFB09A45044379FC5816CAF572AE4@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <CACbV_8OpmKWJf-WwYrFf=D0NXQaMbh+WLuOapxqYteZDVW56dw@mail.gmail.com>
	<64DAFB09A45044379FC5816CAF572AE4@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <CACbV_8MdjW4r2R7Hq8ix48gOsxijCGjEUy24Hs3d=KFvTYUuQg@mail.gmail.com>

I hear you.
This database is a research questionnaire tool and has strict
requirements. The researcher must be able to put it on a thumb drive and
transfer it to a laptop.  There could be several laptops involved at
different locations at the same time without network and/or web capability.

The researcher must be able to modify the questionnaire as needed... to
include deleting the current questionnaire and creating another one. Each
question can be modified, moved from one section to another, activated or
deactivated at will. Participants are assigned participant numbers (PIN's)
used to log in the system.  PINS are changed for every study.

After a given number of participants have taken the questionnaire,
responses to the questions are exported into Excel and then imported into
SPSS.

The researcher has the option of 36 different question types, each coded to
correspond to the researchers requirements so when the responses are
exported no additional coding is required in SPSS. Did I mention the
researcher can change the background color and text color as needed?

All this must be done through a user interfaces for the researcher and
participants.

Thanks,

Jim



On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Jim:
>
> In order to increase speed of a database (even more so in a network type
> environment) in many cases it is easier, when a record is deleted to just
> turn it off so it is no longer displayed.
>
> Logically, the system should be able to go back and use the old record
> position for a new record but if the system uses Sparse Storage, in
> otherwards, only stores filled fields, the deleted record space is no
> longer
> the same size. A similar situation may happen when a table is modified is
> some way. There are a number of other situations that may cause the system
> waste or leave unused space and until the database is compacted, unusable
> space. Unlike memory management, like garbage collection, this process can
> not happen in real time as given the potential of issues and time
> constraints especially in a multi-user environment. So every record
> addition
> or change is just added to the end of the table space.
>
> In conclusion, compacting an active database, like an MS Access MDB, when
> it
> is no being used should be a regular discipline. Note that the MDB database
> was never designed to work in a large active multi-user environments but it
> is just fine for a small Mom an Pop type businesses.
>
> If you are going to be building or maintaining a growing and/or active
> system do yourself a favour and move to another BE database with greater
> capabilities...
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hewson
> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 6:33 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 - compacted
>
> I had something happen that I can't explain. I hope someone on this list
> could shed some light on it.
>
> I have a complex database, 77 tables (2 linked, 2 user system), 518
> queries, 161 forms, 146 reports, 29 modules and 2 classes and approximatel
> 42,000 lines of code.
>
> While I was creating this database the size increased.  The latest was over
> 92 MB.
> I was doing some trouble shooting because one query wasn't working
> correctly with one of the linked tables.
> I got an error message... stating it couldn't find a field in the query and
> then it shut down.
> I reopened the database did the usual - compile, saved, etc. I fixed the
> error and then the issue went away.
> Then I did a compact and repair.
> Everything is working, all the code is there, it's as if nothing happened.
> Great! I'm back in business.
>
> I checked the size of the it's down to 22.3 MB! How can that happen? - goes
> from over 92 MB to 22.3 MB.
> I'm happy the file size is down and everything works! It also seems to work
> faster.
> I'm confused.
>
> Can that be explained?
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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Mar  5 14:10:31 2013
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 14:10:31 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Fixing the Microsoft Windows Common Control Library
	(MSCOMCTL.OCX) Security Update
Message-ID: <010101ce19dd$7d58c700$780a5500$@winhaven.net>

I thought this was a concise set of instructions for those suffering this
problem:
http://www.fmsinc.com/MicrosoftAccess/Controls/mscomctl/

hth
John B


From df.waters at comcast.net  Tue Mar  5 14:26:21 2013
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 14:26:21 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Fixing the Microsoft Windows Common Control
	Library	(MSCOMCTL.OCX) Security Update
In-Reply-To: <010101ce19dd$7d58c700$780a5500$@winhaven.net>
References: <010101ce19dd$7d58c700$780a5500$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <003b01ce19df$b3bd92b0$1b38b810$@comcast.net>

Yes - I've used these instructions a few times.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 2:11 PM
To: DBA-Access
Subject: [AccessD] Fixing the Microsoft Windows Common Control Library
(MSCOMCTL.OCX) Security Update

I thought this was a concise set of instructions for those suffering this
problem:
http://www.fmsinc.com/MicrosoftAccess/Controls/mscomctl/

hth
John B

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Mar  5 15:06:42 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2013 07:06:42 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 - compacted
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAv05=tkvjecL8bojVTytW40NG1o-fLURTr2p-rH91vA8w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACbV_8OpmKWJf-WwYrFf=D0NXQaMbh+WLuOapxqYteZDVW56dw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAKvidAv05=tkvjecL8bojVTytW40NG1o-fLURTr2p-rH91vA8w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51365E62.16834.85100FD3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Yep,  I'd go with garbage collection on edited forms & reports too.  

They can really cause bloat when you edit them a few time, especially if you have things like 
embedded bitmap logos in them.

I've seem 10-fold bloat on a heavily modified application before C & R, not just 3-4 fold.   

And Jim,   You don't necessarily have a  very "complex database" with 77 tables.   
You do appear to have a "complex application".

Your queries, forms, reports and modules not part of your "database", they are your 
application    Just these objects  may be stored in the same physical file by Access, doesn't 
make them part of a "database".

BTW, it sounds as though you have your application and database in the same file - you may 
like to consider splitting it into a backend/frontend structure. It is trivial to do with the 
database splitter and makes subsequent maintenance/updating far easier - especially if it is 
or maybe multi-user.

-- 
Stuart


On 5 Mar 2013 at 9:42, jack drawbridge wrote:

> When was the last C&R done? Could just be garbage collection if it's been a
> long time and there's been a lot of "development"  and/or temporary tables
> etc.
> Just a quick thought until others respond....
> 
> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Jim Hewson <jm.hwsn at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > I had something happen that I can't explain. I hope someone on this list
> > could shed some light on it.
> >
> > I have a complex database, 77 tables (2 linked, 2 user system), 518
> > queries, 161 forms, 146 reports, 29 modules and 2 classes and approximatel
> > 42,000 lines of code.
> >
> > While I was creating this database the size increased.  The latest was over
> > 92 MB.
> > I was doing some trouble shooting because one query wasn't working
> > correctly with one of the linked tables.
> > I got an error message... stating it couldn't find a field in the query and
> > then it shut down.
> > I reopened the database did the usual - compile, saved, etc. I fixed the
> > error and then the issue went away.
> > Then I did a compact and repair.
> > Everything is working, all the code is there, it's as if nothing happened.
> > Great! I'm back in business.
> >
> > I checked the size of the it's down to 22.3 MB! How can that happen? - goes
> > from over 92 MB to 22.3 MB.
> > I'm happy the file size is down and everything works! It also seems to work
> > faster.
> > I'm confused.
> >
> > Can that be explained?
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Mar  5 15:25:15 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2013 07:25:15 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Query Line Coloring
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9ELZizGy92XAQgrihgSgYxiawR6rTN5Ecfm2NSqEjG4Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <013301ce19af$ab1a1eb0$014e5c10$@gmail.com>,
	<CAH+Met9ELZizGy92XAQgrihgSgYxiawR6rTN5Ecfm2NSqEjG4Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <513662BB.4489.85210BBE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

The data returned might be the result of SQL statements, but Queries are automatically 
displayed using a Datasheet object when opened with Docmd.Openquery. so I'd  assume 
that is what David means.

Unfrotunately, you can't apply conditional formatting to rows in a Datasheet object, so the 
answer is still - you can't do that.  

The best you can do is apply a multi-format to individual columns using their Format 
properties - but that only lets you differentiate between +ve, -ve, 0 and Null.  

-- 
Stuart

On 5 Mar 2013 at 10:26, Charlotte Foust wrote:

> Queries are the result of SQL statements.  I don't know of any SQL commands
> that would allow you to do that.  Datasheets have more properties, and you
> might want to display the results in a datasheet.
> 
> Charlotte
> 
> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 6:42 AM, David A Gibson <
> davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > I have an output (Select) query that I would like to highlight (in red,
> > yellow, or something) any of the lines where the age of the individual is
> > <22.  I didn't see any options that would provide that capability.  Could
> > do
> > that in a report but wanted to see if anyone had done something similar in
> > a
> > query.
> >
> > David Gibson
> >
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Mar  5 17:01:07 2013
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 23:01:07 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] New Approach
In-Reply-To: <001101ce1979$1bd47a10$537d6e30$@cactus.dk>
References: <001101ce1979$1bd47a10$537d6e30$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5436D5B68@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

I have moved my Wife's small business IT ops to Office 365 and it has been brilliant.  Their database requirements were fairly modest and are now all handled by Sharepoint lists rather Access or a custom SQL Server set up.  Huge upside is all their IP is now on Sharepoint and can be access by any authorised user via any web browser on any device.  They also get a rock solid version of MS Exchange so they now have all their calendars online with visibility on when they are available or not etc - just like if you were working in a large corporate.

All their client notes are now stored on Onenote and upload to the sharepoint site.  Again, this way the client notes can be access remotely and by any user which is great for them if the have to cover another therapist when she is sick or not available.

Of course this is great for me as the maintenance on their IT systems is now minimal - MS update and support the software so that is way less work for me.  She pays a small monthly fee (about $6 per user) and you can add and remove users as required.   The only issue was the single Mac user (there is always one ;)) I ended up putting Windows 7 on Bootcamp for them as Office Mac doesn't support Onenote and Office 365 works a lot better with native Office 2010 (as you would imagine).

Anyway - I am a huge fan.  Loving it. Saved gobs of time and lots of money using this approach.

Your mileage may vary of course, but I think for many small businesses it is just brilliant.

Cheers
Darryl.




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, 5 March 2013 7:12 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

Hi Stuart

That is a very interesting reference. 
Everyone here (that included me) not familiar with Sharepoint - which is the "database" running in Office 365 - should watch the video "Migrating Access tables to Office 365" it's only 12 minutes.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL27E956A1537FE1C5&feature=plcp

What's not mentioned is performance. But for smaller databases I guess it is OK.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Stuart McLachlan
Sendt: 4. marts 2013 22:24
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

On 4 Mar 2013 at 10:56, Rusty Hammond wrote:

> I've read a little about Access 2007/2010 being able to run with 
> linked/cached tables to a Sharepoint site, and can run disconnected 
> from the network/internet,  then when reconnected to the network, the 
> tables will synch up with the Sharepoint database.
> 
> Has anyone else heard of this and are you using it?  How well does it 
> work?  I've heard it works really well but don't know what the 
> limitations are (if any).
> 
> Rusty


A recent post on LinkedIn's PMADN by Albert Kaplan:
<quote>
A configuration that is working well for me is to use Access 2010 with office 365.

So you purchase one office 365 p1 (small business plan). Total cost = $6 per month.

You then take your application. Assuming split, you place the back end tables on office 365.

You then link your desktop front end to that application.

You are done.

The application will now automatic run off line. And when you get back to any internet connection. You can sync. All data from all other users will appear on your system, and any changes you made will appear for everyone else.

The beauty of this setup?

You write and use Access - regular VBA etc.
You don't have to write or setup a bunch of sync code - it is automatic and built into Access.

Even better?

If you have Access 2010, the whole thing can be setup in less time than it took me to make this post.

No server has to be setup.
No learning + setup or install of SQL server.
No purchase of new software.
No writing of a whole bunch of sync software.

I explain in the following video how you upload related tables to SharePoint or office 365:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL27E956A1537FE1C5&feature=plcp

</quote> 


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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Tue Mar  5 17:11:22 2013
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 18:11:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] New Approach
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5436D5B68@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <001101ce1979$1bd47a10$537d6e30$@cactus.dk>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5436D5B68@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAva+kPtQgnq7Vk_-ph3dNhu4CpNeOQN2gBOr+CwyvX+Cg@mail.gmail.com>

Darryl,

What exactly does all that mean in terms of Access?

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Darryl Collins <
darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> I have moved my Wife's small business IT ops to Office 365 and it has been
> brilliant.  Their database requirements were fairly modest and are now all
> handled by Sharepoint lists rather Access or a custom SQL Server set up.
>  Huge upside is all their IP is now on Sharepoint and can be access by any
> authorised user via any web browser on any device.  They also get a rock
> solid version of MS Exchange so they now have all their calendars online
> with visibility on when they are available or not etc - just like if you
> were working in a large corporate.
>
> All their client notes are now stored on Onenote and upload to the
> sharepoint site.  Again, this way the client notes can be access remotely
> and by any user which is great for them if the have to cover another
> therapist when she is sick or not available.
>
> Of course this is great for me as the maintenance on their IT systems is
> now minimal - MS update and support the software so that is way less work
> for me.  She pays a small monthly fee (about $6 per user) and you can add
> and remove users as required.   The only issue was the single Mac user
> (there is always one ;)) I ended up putting Windows 7 on Bootcamp for them
> as Office Mac doesn't support Onenote and Office 365 works a lot better
> with native Office 2010 (as you would imagine).
>
> Anyway - I am a huge fan.  Loving it. Saved gobs of time and lots of money
> using this approach.
>
> Your mileage may vary of course, but I think for many small businesses it
> is just brilliant.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Tuesday, 5 March 2013 7:12 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach
>
> Hi Stuart
>
> That is a very interesting reference.
> Everyone here (that included me) not familiar with Sharepoint - which is
> the "database" running in Office 365 - should watch the video "Migrating
> Access tables to Office 365" it's only 12 minutes.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL27E956A1537FE1C5&feature=plcp
>
> What's not mentioned is performance. But for smaller databases I guess it
> is OK.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Stuart McLachlan
> Sendt: 4. marts 2013 22:24
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] New Approach
>
> On 4 Mar 2013 at 10:56, Rusty Hammond wrote:
>
> > I've read a little about Access 2007/2010 being able to run with
> > linked/cached tables to a Sharepoint site, and can run disconnected
> > from the network/internet,  then when reconnected to the network, the
> > tables will synch up with the Sharepoint database.
> >
> > Has anyone else heard of this and are you using it?  How well does it
> > work?  I've heard it works really well but don't know what the
> > limitations are (if any).
> >
> > Rusty
>
>
> A recent post on LinkedIn's PMADN by Albert Kaplan:
> <quote>
> A configuration that is working well for me is to use Access 2010 with
> office 365.
>
> So you purchase one office 365 p1 (small business plan). Total cost = $6
> per month.
>
> You then take your application. Assuming split, you place the back end
> tables on office 365.
>
> You then link your desktop front end to that application.
>
> You are done.
>
> The application will now automatic run off line. And when you get back to
> any internet connection. You can sync. All data from all other users will
> appear on your system, and any changes you made will appear for everyone
> else.
>
> The beauty of this setup?
>
> You write and use Access - regular VBA etc.
> You don't have to write or setup a bunch of sync code - it is automatic
> and built into Access.
>
> Even better?
>
> If you have Access 2010, the whole thing can be setup in less time than it
> took me to make this post.
>
> No server has to be setup.
> No learning + setup or install of SQL server.
> No purchase of new software.
> No writing of a whole bunch of sync software.
>
> I explain in the following video how you upload related tables to
> SharePoint or office 365:
> http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL27E956A1537FE1C5&feature=plcp
>
> </quote>
>
>
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>
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Mar  5 17:51:52 2013
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 23:51:52 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] New Approach
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAva+kPtQgnq7Vk_-ph3dNhu4CpNeOQN2gBOr+CwyvX+Cg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001101ce1979$1bd47a10$537d6e30$@cactus.dk>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5436D5B68@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAKvidAva+kPtQgnq7Vk_-ph3dNhu4CpNeOQN2gBOr+CwyvX+Cg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5436D5BEE@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

In our case we stopped using Access completely and moved all the data from Access directly into Sharepoint lists. 

This was very easy and was painless to do using Office 2010 and Office 365

Once in sharepoint you can set up views (which work pretty much the same as queries in Access or Views in SQL server).
This gives you the ability to filter the data in the 'master' database into useful chunks for different roles / functions / whatever. 
These are easy enough to set up the therapists can do it themselves now with less than 1 hours training.
So each person can have a view of their own clients, or active clients or whatever.  Views can be public (ie all users) or just for you (only you can see it).

So for me it is great - no more MS Access front ends to support and install on different devices.  Now they can access the data on any smart phone / tablet / laptop if they are mobile.
Any changes are updated instantly to all users - no issues with corruption or record locks.

Another big advantage is you can attach documents to the sharepoint table records.  Again this is super handy when dealing with clients (My wife runs a Paediatric Occupational Therapy Clinic) as they can attach supporting docs to the actual client record.

They also store all their working docs on Sharepoint now.  For example I can store Excel files on there and just open normally in Excel - they work great (including VBA code) and save them back. Just like saving locally - speed of saving is fast too.

You can download any sharepoint list into Access and Excel if you want - including a live link back to the site if desired.  Although most of the time it is faster / easier to just update it via the browser

The only caveat is IE works best as some of the functionality requires Active X controls.  Oh - you also need to use the 32 Bit IE browser, not the 64 Bit version, even if you 64 bit windows.
That said you can access and update the data in any browser if you loathe using IE.

Cheers
Darryl




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack drawbridge
Sent: Wednesday, 6 March 2013 10:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

Darryl,

What exactly does all that mean in terms of Access?

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Darryl Collins < darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> I have moved my Wife's small business IT ops to Office 365 and it has 
> been brilliant.  Their database requirements were fairly modest and 
> are now all handled by Sharepoint lists rather Access or a custom SQL Server set up.
>  Huge upside is all their IP is now on Sharepoint and can be access by 
> any authorised user via any web browser on any device.  They also get 
> a rock solid version of MS Exchange so they now have all their 
> calendars online with visibility on when they are available or not etc 
> - just like if you were working in a large corporate.
>
> All their client notes are now stored on Onenote and upload to the 
> sharepoint site.  Again, this way the client notes can be access 
> remotely and by any user which is great for them if the have to cover 
> another therapist when she is sick or not available.
>
> Of course this is great for me as the maintenance on their IT systems 
> is now minimal - MS update and support the software so that is way 
> less work for me.  She pays a small monthly fee (about $6 per user) and you can add
> and remove users as required.   The only issue was the single Mac user
> (there is always one ;)) I ended up putting Windows 7 on Bootcamp for 
> them as Office Mac doesn't support Onenote and Office 365 works a lot 
> better with native Office 2010 (as you would imagine).
>
> Anyway - I am a huge fan.  Loving it. Saved gobs of time and lots of 
> money using this approach.
>
> Your mileage may vary of course, but I think for many small businesses 
> it is just brilliant.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Tuesday, 5 March 2013 7:12 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach
>
> Hi Stuart
>
> That is a very interesting reference.
> Everyone here (that included me) not familiar with Sharepoint - which 
> is the "database" running in Office 365 - should watch the video 
> "Migrating Access tables to Office 365" it's only 12 minutes.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL27E956A1537FE1C5&feature=plcp
>
> What's not mentioned is performance. But for smaller databases I guess 
> it is OK.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Stuart 
> McLachlan
> Sendt: 4. marts 2013 22:24
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] New Approach
>
> On 4 Mar 2013 at 10:56, Rusty Hammond wrote:
>
> > I've read a little about Access 2007/2010 being able to run with 
> > linked/cached tables to a Sharepoint site, and can run disconnected 
> > from the network/internet,  then when reconnected to the network, 
> > the tables will synch up with the Sharepoint database.
> >
> > Has anyone else heard of this and are you using it?  How well does 
> > it work?  I've heard it works really well but don't know what the 
> > limitations are (if any).
> >
> > Rusty
>
>
> A recent post on LinkedIn's PMADN by Albert Kaplan:
> <quote>
> A configuration that is working well for me is to use Access 2010 with 
> office 365.
>
> So you purchase one office 365 p1 (small business plan). Total cost = 
> $6 per month.
>
> You then take your application. Assuming split, you place the back end 
> tables on office 365.
>
> You then link your desktop front end to that application.
>
> You are done.
>
> The application will now automatic run off line. And when you get back 
> to any internet connection. You can sync. All data from all other 
> users will appear on your system, and any changes you made will appear 
> for everyone else.
>
> The beauty of this setup?
>
> You write and use Access - regular VBA etc.
> You don't have to write or setup a bunch of sync code - it is 
> automatic and built into Access.
>
> Even better?
>
> If you have Access 2010, the whole thing can be setup in less time 
> than it took me to make this post.
>
> No server has to be setup.
> No learning + setup or install of SQL server.
> No purchase of new software.
> No writing of a whole bunch of sync software.
>
> I explain in the following video how you upload related tables to 
> SharePoint or office 365:
> http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL27E956A1537FE1C5&feature=plcp
>
> </quote>
>
>
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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Tue Mar  5 18:27:16 2013
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 18:27:16 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Query Line Coloring
References: <013301ce19af$ab1a1eb0$014e5c10$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3D2@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

David,

One approach might be to use a derived column in the query to create an "eye-catcher".

Here is an example.  The derived column called "EyeCatcher" is filled with a value of
"<<===" if the Age field is less than 22. 


EyeCatcher: Switch([Age]<22,"<<===")


This is probably not as good as a color, but it does provide an easy way to spot specific values in a query.

Brad

PS.  Here is the actual SQL from a little test. 

SELECT Table1.Age, Switch([Age]<22,"<<===") AS EyeCatcher FROM Table1;






-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of David A Gibson
Sent: Tue 3/5/2013 8:42 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Query Line Coloring
 
I have an output (Select) query that I would like to highlight (in red,
yellow, or something) any of the lines where the age of the individual is
<22.  I didn't see any options that would provide that capability.  Could do
that in a report but wanted to see if anyone had done something similar in a
query.

David Gibson

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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Mar  5 18:36:18 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 19:36:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] New Approach
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAva+kPtQgnq7Vk_-ph3dNhu4CpNeOQN2gBOr+CwyvX+Cg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001101ce1979$1bd47a10$537d6e30$@cactus.dk>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5436D5B68@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAKvidAva+kPtQgnq7Vk_-ph3dNhu4CpNeOQN2gBOr+CwyvX+Cg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51368F82.7080900@gmail.com>

ROTFL, my question exactly.

;)

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 3/5/2013 6:11 PM, jack drawbridge wrote:
> Darryl,
>
> What exactly does all that mean in terms of Access?
>
> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Darryl Collins <
> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:
>
>> I have moved my Wife's small business IT ops to Office 365 and it has been
>> brilliant.  Their database requirements were fairly modest and are now all
>> handled by Sharepoint lists rather Access or a custom SQL Server set up.
>>   Huge upside is all their IP is now on Sharepoint and can be access by any
>> authorised user via any web browser on any device.  They also get a rock
>> solid version of MS Exchange so they now have all their calendars online
>> with visibility on when they are available or not etc - just like if you
>> were working in a large corporate.
>>
>> All their client notes are now stored on Onenote and upload to the
>> sharepoint site.  Again, this way the client notes can be access remotely
>> and by any user which is great for them if the have to cover another
>> therapist when she is sick or not available.
>>
>> Of course this is great for me as the maintenance on their IT systems is
>> now minimal - MS update and support the software so that is way less work
>> for me.  She pays a small monthly fee (about $6 per user) and you can add
>> and remove users as required.   The only issue was the single Mac user
>> (there is always one ;)) I ended up putting Windows 7 on Bootcamp for them
>> as Office Mac doesn't support Onenote and Office 365 works a lot better
>> with native Office 2010 (as you would imagine).
>>
>> Anyway - I am a huge fan.  Loving it. Saved gobs of time and lots of money
>> using this approach.
>>
>> Your mileage may vary of course, but I think for many small businesses it
>> is just brilliant.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Darryl.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
>> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
>> Sent: Tuesday, 5 March 2013 7:12 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach
>>
>> Hi Stuart
>>
>> That is a very interesting reference.
>> Everyone here (that included me) not familiar with Sharepoint - which is
>> the "database" running in Office 365 - should watch the video "Migrating
>> Access tables to Office 365" it's only 12 minutes.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL27E956A1537FE1C5&feature=plcp
>>
>> What's not mentioned is performance. But for smaller databases I guess it
>> is OK.
>>
>> /gustav
>>
>> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Stuart McLachlan
>> Sendt: 4. marts 2013 22:24
>> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Emne: Re: [AccessD] New Approach
>>
>> On 4 Mar 2013 at 10:56, Rusty Hammond wrote:
>>
>>> I've read a little about Access 2007/2010 being able to run with
>>> linked/cached tables to a Sharepoint site, and can run disconnected
>>> from the network/internet,  then when reconnected to the network, the
>>> tables will synch up with the Sharepoint database.
>>>
>>> Has anyone else heard of this and are you using it?  How well does it
>>> work?  I've heard it works really well but don't know what the
>>> limitations are (if any).
>>>
>>> Rusty
>>
>> A recent post on LinkedIn's PMADN by Albert Kaplan:
>> <quote>
>> A configuration that is working well for me is to use Access 2010 with
>> office 365.
>>
>> So you purchase one office 365 p1 (small business plan). Total cost = $6
>> per month.
>>
>> You then take your application. Assuming split, you place the back end
>> tables on office 365.
>>
>> You then link your desktop front end to that application.
>>
>> You are done.
>>
>> The application will now automatic run off line. And when you get back to
>> any internet connection. You can sync. All data from all other users will
>> appear on your system, and any changes you made will appear for everyone
>> else.
>>
>> The beauty of this setup?
>>
>> You write and use Access - regular VBA etc.
>> You don't have to write or setup a bunch of sync code - it is automatic
>> and built into Access.
>>
>> Even better?
>>
>> If you have Access 2010, the whole thing can be setup in less time than it
>> took me to make this post.
>>
>> No server has to be setup.
>> No learning + setup or install of SQL server.
>> No purchase of new software.
>> No writing of a whole bunch of sync software.
>>
>> I explain in the following video how you upload related tables to
>> SharePoint or office 365:
>> http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL27E956A1537FE1C5&feature=plcp
>>
>> </quote>
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
>>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Mar  5 18:37:11 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 19:37:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] New Approach
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5436D5BEE@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
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I know absolutely nothing about SharePoint. So perhaps it's not surprising
that your comments leave me somewhat mystified. Let's start with a simple
case, an Access app in classic style that consists of an FE and a BE. In
terms of complexity, it's trivial, about 25 tables and about twice that
many forms and queries. So how does this app get into SharePoint? Do we
just copy the BE into SP? And then what about the FE? Do I have to rebuild
the FE in SP? That's the part I don't understand.

The client in question has about 100+ users and also has a license for SP.
The users are in several offices and apparently they all hit a central
server that runs SP. From the little I have seen, their primary focus is on
document storage. I don't understand how database apps fit into this
picture.

Would you please enlighten me? I wrote an Access app for them, but if there
is some way to get this app into SP then their lives would be a lot
simpler, and I guess so would mine. So any wisdom you would care to share
about how this is done would be most welcome. I've heard of SP lists, and
even seen that on the Access ribbon, but I have no idea what it means.

Hoping that you can clear up some of the fog.

Arthur


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Mar  5 18:48:57 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2013 10:48:57 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] New Approach
In-Reply-To: <51368F82.7080900@gmail.com>
References: <001101ce1979$1bd47a10$537d6e30$@cactus.dk>,
	<CAKvidAva+kPtQgnq7Vk_-ph3dNhu4CpNeOQN2gBOr+CwyvX+Cg@mail.gmail.com>,
	<51368F82.7080900@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51369279.29678.85DB8969@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

R.I.P. ?

:-)

On 5 Mar 2013 at 19:36, John W Colby wrote:

> ROTFL, my question exactly.
> 
> ;)
> 
> John W. Colby
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> On 3/5/2013 6:11 PM, jack drawbridge wrote:
> > Darryl,
> >
> > What exactly does all that mean in terms of Access?
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Darryl Collins <
> > darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:
> >
> >> I have moved my Wife's small business IT ops to Office 365 and it has been
> >> brilliant.  Their database requirements were fairly modest and are now all
> >> handled by Sharepoint lists rather Access or a custom SQL Server set up.
> >>   Huge upside is all their IP is now on Sharepoint and can be access by any
> >> authorised user via any web browser on any device.  They also get a rock
> >> solid version of MS Exchange so they now have all their calendars online
> >> with visibility on when they are available or not etc - just like if you
> >> were working in a large corporate.
> >>
> >> All their client notes are now stored on Onenote and upload to the
> >> sharepoint site.  Again, this way the client notes can be access remotely
> >> and by any user which is great for them if the have to cover another
> >> therapist when she is sick or not available.
> >>
> >> Of course this is great for me as the maintenance on their IT systems is
> >> now minimal - MS update and support the software so that is way less work
> >> for me.  She pays a small monthly fee (about $6 per user) and you can add
> >> and remove users as required.   The only issue was the single Mac user
> >> (there is always one ;)) I ended up putting Windows 7 on Bootcamp for them
> >> as Office Mac doesn't support Onenote and Office 365 works a lot better
> >> with native Office 2010 (as you would imagine).
> >>
> >> Anyway - I am a huge fan.  Loving it. Saved gobs of time and lots of money
> >> using this approach.
> >>
> >> Your mileage may vary of course, but I think for many small businesses it
> >> is just brilliant.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Darryl.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> >> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> >> Sent: Tuesday, 5 March 2013 7:12 PM
> >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach
> >>
> >> Hi Stuart
> >>
> >> That is a very interesting reference.
> >> Everyone here (that included me) not familiar with Sharepoint - which is
> >> the "database" running in Office 365 - should watch the video "Migrating
> >> Access tables to Office 365" it's only 12 minutes.
> >>
> >> http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL27E956A1537FE1C5&feature=plcp
> >>
> >> What's not mentioned is performance. But for smaller databases I guess it
> >> is OK.
> >>
> >> /gustav
> >>
> >> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> >> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Stuart McLachlan
> >> Sendt: 4. marts 2013 22:24
> >> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >> Emne: Re: [AccessD] New Approach
> >>
> >> On 4 Mar 2013 at 10:56, Rusty Hammond wrote:
> >>
> >>> I've read a little about Access 2007/2010 being able to run with
> >>> linked/cached tables to a Sharepoint site, and can run disconnected
> >>> from the network/internet,  then when reconnected to the network, the
> >>> tables will synch up with the Sharepoint database.
> >>>
> >>> Has anyone else heard of this and are you using it?  How well does it
> >>> work?  I've heard it works really well but don't know what the
> >>> limitations are (if any).
> >>>
> >>> Rusty
> >>
> >> A recent post on LinkedIn's PMADN by Albert Kaplan:
> >> <quote>
> >> A configuration that is working well for me is to use Access 2010 with
> >> office 365.
> >>
> >> So you purchase one office 365 p1 (small business plan). Total cost = $6
> >> per month.
> >>
> >> You then take your application. Assuming split, you place the back end
> >> tables on office 365.
> >>
> >> You then link your desktop front end to that application.
> >>
> >> You are done.
> >>
> >> The application will now automatic run off line. And when you get back to
> >> any internet connection. You can sync. All data from all other users will
> >> appear on your system, and any changes you made will appear for everyone
> >> else.
> >>
> >> The beauty of this setup?
> >>
> >> You write and use Access - regular VBA etc.
> >> You don't have to write or setup a bunch of sync code - it is automatic
> >> and built into Access.
> >>
> >> Even better?
> >>
> >> If you have Access 2010, the whole thing can be setup in less time than it
> >> took me to make this post.
> >>
> >> No server has to be setup.
> >> No learning + setup or install of SQL server.
> >> No purchase of new software.
> >> No writing of a whole bunch of sync software.
> >>
> >> I explain in the following video how you upload related tables to
> >> SharePoint or office 365:
> >> http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL27E956A1537FE1C5&feature=plcp
> >>
> >> </quote>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
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> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Mar  5 18:53:58 2013
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 00:53:58 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] New Approach
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAva+kPtQgnq7Vk_-ph3dNhu4CpNeOQN2gBOr+CwyvX+Cg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001101ce1979$1bd47a10$537d6e30$@cactus.dk>
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In our case we stopped using Access completely and moved all the data from Access directly into Sharepoint lists. 

This was very easy and was painless to do using Office 2010 and Office 365

Once in sharepoint you can set up views (which work pretty much the same as queries in Access or Views in SQL server).
This gives you the ability to filter the data in the 'master' database into useful chunks for different roles / functions / whatever. 
These are easy enough to set up the therapists can do it themselves now with less than 1 hours training.
So each person can have a view of their own clients, or active clients or whatever.  Views can be public (ie all users) or just for you (only you can see it).

So for me it is great - no more MS Access front ends to support and install on different devices.  Now they can access the data on any smart phone / tablet / laptop if they are mobile.
Any changes are updated instantly to all users - no issues with corruption or record locks.

Another big advantage is you can attach documents to the sharepoint table records.  Again this is super handy when dealing with clients (My wife runs a Paediatric Occupational Therapy Clinic) as they can attach supporting docs to the actual client record.


They also store all their working docs on Sharepoint now.  For example I can store Excel files on there and just open normally in Excel - they work great (including VBA code) and save them back. Just like saving locally - speed of saving is fast too.

You can download any sharepoint list into Access and Excel if you want - including a live link back to the site if desired.  Although most of the time it is faster / easier to just update it via the browser

The only caveat is IE works best as some of the functionality requires Active X controls.  Oh - you also need to use the 32 Bit IE browser, not the 64 Bit version, even if you 64 bit windows.
That said you can access and update the data in any browser if you loathe using IE.

Cheers
Darryl




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack drawbridge
Sent: Wednesday, 6 March 2013 10:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

Darryl,

What exactly does all that mean in terms of Access?

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Darryl Collins < darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> I have moved my Wife's small business IT ops to Office 365 and it has 
> been brilliant.  Their database requirements were fairly modest and 
> are now all handled by Sharepoint lists rather Access or a custom SQL Server set up.
>  Huge upside is all their IP is now on Sharepoint and can be access by 
> any authorised user via any web browser on any device.  They also get 
> a rock solid version of MS Exchange so they now have all their 
> calendars online with visibility on when they are available or not etc 
> - just like if you were working in a large corporate.
>
> All their client notes are now stored on Onenote and upload to the 
> sharepoint site.  Again, this way the client notes can be access 
> remotely and by any user which is great for them if the have to cover 
> another therapist when she is sick or not available.
>
> Of course this is great for me as the maintenance on their IT systems 
> is now minimal - MS update and support the software so that is way 
> less work for me.  She pays a small monthly fee (about $6 per user) and you can add
> and remove users as required.   The only issue was the single Mac user
> (there is always one ;)) I ended up putting Windows 7 on Bootcamp for 
> them as Office Mac doesn't support Onenote and Office 365 works a lot 
> better with native Office 2010 (as you would imagine).
>
> Anyway - I am a huge fan.  Loving it. Saved gobs of time and lots of 
> money using this approach.
>
> Your mileage may vary of course, but I think for many small businesses 
> it is just brilliant.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Tuesday, 5 March 2013 7:12 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach
>
> Hi Stuart
>
> That is a very interesting reference.
> Everyone here (that included me) not familiar with Sharepoint - which 
> is the "database" running in Office 365 - should watch the video 
> "Migrating Access tables to Office 365" it's only 12 minutes.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL27E956A1537FE1C5&feature=plcp
>
> What's not mentioned is performance. But for smaller databases I guess 
> it is OK.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Stuart 
> McLachlan
> Sendt: 4. marts 2013 22:24
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] New Approach
>
> On 4 Mar 2013 at 10:56, Rusty Hammond wrote:
>
> > I've read a little about Access 2007/2010 being able to run with 
> > linked/cached tables to a Sharepoint site, and can run disconnected 
> > from the network/internet,  then when reconnected to the network, 
> > the tables will synch up with the Sharepoint database.
> >
> > Has anyone else heard of this and are you using it?  How well does 
> > it work?  I've heard it works really well but don't know what the 
> > limitations are (if any).
> >
> > Rusty
>
>
> A recent post on LinkedIn's PMADN by Albert Kaplan:
> <quote>
> A configuration that is working well for me is to use Access 2010 with 
> office 365.
>
> So you purchase one office 365 p1 (small business plan). Total cost = 
> $6 per month.
>
> You then take your application. Assuming split, you place the back end 
> tables on office 365.
>
> You then link your desktop front end to that application.
>
> You are done.
>
> The application will now automatic run off line. And when you get back 
> to any internet connection. You can sync. All data from all other 
> users will appear on your system, and any changes you made will appear 
> for everyone else.
>
> The beauty of this setup?
>
> You write and use Access - regular VBA etc.
> You don't have to write or setup a bunch of sync code - it is 
> automatic and built into Access.
>
> Even better?
>
> If you have Access 2010, the whole thing can be setup in less time 
> than it took me to make this post.
>
> No server has to be setup.
> No learning + setup or install of SQL server.
> No purchase of new software.
> No writing of a whole bunch of sync software.
>
> I explain in the following video how you upload related tables to 
> SharePoint or office 365:
> http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL27E956A1537FE1C5&feature=plcp
>
> </quote>
>
>
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>
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Mar  5 19:10:43 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 17:10:43 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] New Approach
In-Reply-To: <F8405E6C9C3E43299BDA0F42F890DA5A@XPS>
References: <001101ce1979$1bd47a10$537d6e30$@cactus.dk>
	<F8405E6C9C3E43299BDA0F42F890DA5A@XPS>
Message-ID: <4BCD90BB5E464024A0D689CC7A822152@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Jim

I don't mind saying it but only having 5000 items available is
pathetic...about then mornings invoices. :-(

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 9:58 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach


 Note that with 2010, data is stored in SharePoint lists, not SQL.

 Best practice for SharePoint is to not have a list exceed 5000 items.

 A2013 is running against Azure and is another ball game entirely.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 03:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

Hi Stuart

That is a very interesting reference. 
Everyone here (that included me) not familiar with Sharepoint - which is the
"database" running in Office 365 - should watch the video "Migrating Access
tables to Office 365" it's only 12 minutes.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL27E956A1537FE1C5&feature=plcp

What's not mentioned is performance. But for smaller databases I guess it is
OK.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Stuart McLachlan
Sendt: 4. marts 2013 22:24
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

On 4 Mar 2013 at 10:56, Rusty Hammond wrote:

> I've read a little about Access 2007/2010 being able to run with 
> linked/cached tables to a Sharepoint site, and can run disconnected 
> from the network/internet,  then when reconnected to the network, the 
> tables will synch up with the Sharepoint database.
> 
> Has anyone else heard of this and are you using it?  How well does it 
> work?  I've heard it works really well but don't know what the 
> limitations are (if any).
> 
> Rusty


A recent post on LinkedIn's PMADN by Albert Kaplan:
<quote>
A configuration that is working well for me is to use Access 2010 with
office 365.

So you purchase one office 365 p1 (small business plan). Total cost = $6 per
month.

You then take your application. Assuming split, you place the back end
tables on office 365.

You then link your desktop front end to that application.

You are done.

The application will now automatic run off line. And when you get back to
any internet connection. You can sync. All data from all other users will
appear on your system, and any changes you made will appear for everyone
else.

The beauty of this setup?

You write and use Access - regular VBA etc.
You don't have to write or setup a bunch of sync code - it is automatic and
built into Access.

Even better?

If you have Access 2010, the whole thing can be setup in less time than it
took me to make this post.

No server has to be setup.
No learning + setup or install of SQL server.
No purchase of new software.
No writing of a whole bunch of sync software.

I explain in the following video how you upload related tables to SharePoint
or office 365:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL27E956A1537FE1C5&feature=plcp

</quote> 


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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Tue Mar  5 19:18:48 2013
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 17:18:48 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] New Approach
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1g4p7udw-0H=smw2j_XcRC9ir3AZjHYpD3Quf6J=BFHyQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001101ce1979$1bd47a10$537d6e30$@cactus.dk>	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5436D5B68@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>	<CAKvidAva+kPtQgnq7Vk_-ph3dNhu4CpNeOQN2gBOr+CwyvX+Cg@mail.gmail.com>	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5436D5BEE@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <00f901ce1a08$8de3a510$a9aaef30$@cox.net>

There is a lot on this on the web. Rogers Access blog has quite a bit. MS
has volumes. Look at
http://rogersaccessblog.blogspot.com/2010/05/access-2010-web-databases-how-c
an-i-put.html for a start. This has to do with web databases but the process
is similar. I played with using SP lists on Office365 as a backend for a
client. In Access 2010 the design tools were not intuitive for an Access
user. As with ribbons the function is there, you just have to find it.

I have an extensive list of web sites with this stuff if anyone is
interested. I decided a cheap hosting account with SQL server met our needs
much better.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 4:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach

I know absolutely nothing about SharePoint. So perhaps it's not surprising
that your comments leave me somewhat mystified. Let's start with a simple
case, an Access app in classic style that consists of an FE and a BE. In
terms of complexity, it's trivial, about 25 tables and about twice that many
forms and queries. So how does this app get into SharePoint? Do we just copy
the BE into SP? And then what about the FE? Do I have to rebuild the FE in
SP? That's the part I don't understand.

The client in question has about 100+ users and also has a license for SP.
The users are in several offices and apparently they all hit a central
server that runs SP. From the little I have seen, their primary focus is on
document storage. I don't understand how database apps fit into this
picture.

Would you please enlighten me? I wrote an Access app for them, but if there
is some way to get this app into SP then their lives would be a lot simpler,
and I guess so would mine. So any wisdom you would care to share about how
this is done would be most welcome. I've heard of SP lists, and even seen
that on the Access ribbon, but I have no idea what it means.

Hoping that you can clear up some of the fog.

Arthur

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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Tue Mar  5 19:30:12 2013
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 20:30:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] New Approach
In-Reply-To: <00f901ce1a08$8de3a510$a9aaef30$@cox.net>
References: <001101ce1979$1bd47a10$537d6e30$@cactus.dk>
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	<CAEPJO1g4p7udw-0H=smw2j_XcRC9ir3AZjHYpD3Quf6J=BFHyQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Doug,
I think it would be helpful if you would post your list. It seems to be a
topic of some interest, and we are all wondering where Access is heading
(whether we are saying it out loud or not).

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Doug Murphy <dw-murphy at cox.net> wrote:

> There is a lot on this on the web. Rogers Access blog has quite a bit. MS
> has volumes. Look at
>
> http://rogersaccessblog.blogspot.com/2010/05/access-2010-web-databases-how-c
> an-i-put.html for a start. This has to do with web databases but the
> process
> is similar. I played with using SP lists on Office365 as a backend for a
> client. In Access 2010 the design tools were not intuitive for an Access
> user. As with ribbons the function is there, you just have to find it.
>
> I have an extensive list of web sites with this stuff if anyone is
> interested. I decided a cheap hosting account with SQL server met our needs
> much better.
>
> Doug
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 4:37 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Approach
>
> I know absolutely nothing about SharePoint. So perhaps it's not surprising
> that your comments leave me somewhat mystified. Let's start with a simple
> case, an Access app in classic style that consists of an FE and a BE. In
> terms of complexity, it's trivial, about 25 tables and about twice that
> many
> forms and queries. So how does this app get into SharePoint? Do we just
> copy
> the BE into SP? And then what about the FE? Do I have to rebuild the FE in
> SP? That's the part I don't understand.
>
> The client in question has about 100+ users and also has a license for SP.
> The users are in several offices and apparently they all hit a central
> server that runs SP. From the little I have seen, their primary focus is on
> document storage. I don't understand how database apps fit into this
> picture.
>
> Would you please enlighten me? I wrote an Access app for them, but if there
> is some way to get this app into SP then their lives would be a lot
> simpler,
> and I guess so would mine. So any wisdom you would care to share about how
> this is done would be most welcome. I've heard of SP lists, and even seen
> that on the Access ribbon, but I have no idea what it means.
>
> Hoping that you can clear up some of the fog.
>
> Arthur
>
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From Nicholas at nagase.com.my  Tue Mar  5 23:45:45 2013
From: Nicholas at nagase.com.my (Nicholas Lee)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 13:45:45 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 - compacted
References: <CACbV_8OpmKWJf-WwYrFf=D0NXQaMbh+WLuOapxqYteZDVW56dw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAKvidAv05=tkvjecL8bojVTytW40NG1o-fLURTr2p-rH91vA8w@mail.gmail.com>
	<51365E62.16834.85100FD3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <63670DC06A61AE4E8CDF65499C6CCD76046D7E1C@nklmail.nagase.com.my>

Hi Stuart,
If you have time could you share more about the backend/ frontend
structure.

I'm very new to Access and very knee to learn this new trick (I heard it
once / twice during the learning of Access, however, I don't know it in
details).


Thanks in advance.


Nicholas

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, 6 March, 2013 05:07
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 - compacted

Yep,  I'd go with garbage collection on edited forms & reports too.  

They can really cause bloat when you edit them a few time, especially if
you have things like 
embedded bitmap logos in them.

I've seem 10-fold bloat on a heavily modified application before C & R,
not just 3-4 fold.   

And Jim,   You don't necessarily have a  very "complex database" with 77
tables.   
You do appear to have a "complex application".

Your queries, forms, reports and modules not part of your "database",
they are your 
application    Just these objects  may be stored in the same physical
file by Access, doesn't 
make them part of a "database".

BTW, it sounds as though you have your application and database in the
same file - you may 
like to consider splitting it into a backend/frontend structure. It is
trivial to do with the 
database splitter and makes subsequent maintenance/updating far easier -
especially if it is 
or maybe multi-user.

-- 
Stuart


On 5 Mar 2013 at 9:42, jack drawbridge wrote:

> When was the last C&R done? Could just be garbage collection if it's
been a
> long time and there's been a lot of "development"  and/or temporary
tables
> etc.
> Just a quick thought until others respond....
> 
> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Jim Hewson <jm.hwsn at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > I had something happen that I can't explain. I hope someone on this
list
> > could shed some light on it.
> >
> > I have a complex database, 77 tables (2 linked, 2 user system), 518
> > queries, 161 forms, 146 reports, 29 modules and 2 classes and
approximatel
> > 42,000 lines of code.
> >
> > While I was creating this database the size increased.  The latest
was over
> > 92 MB.
> > I was doing some trouble shooting because one query wasn't working
> > correctly with one of the linked tables.
> > I got an error message... stating it couldn't find a field in the
query and
> > then it shut down.
> > I reopened the database did the usual - compile, saved, etc. I fixed
the
> > error and then the issue went away.
> > Then I did a compact and repair.
> > Everything is working, all the code is there, it's as if nothing
happened.
> > Great! I'm back in business.
> >
> > I checked the size of the it's down to 22.3 MB! How can that happen?
- goes
> > from over 92 MB to 22.3 MB.
> > I'm happy the file size is down and everything works! It also seems
to work
> > faster.
> > I'm confused.
> >
> > Can that be explained?
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Mar  6 00:10:17 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2013 16:10:17 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 - compacted
In-Reply-To: <63670DC06A61AE4E8CDF65499C6CCD76046D7E1C@nklmail.nagase.com.my>
References: <CACbV_8OpmKWJf-WwYrFf=D0NXQaMbh+WLuOapxqYteZDVW56dw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<63670DC06A61AE4E8CDF65499C6CCD76046D7E1C@nklmail.nagase.com.my>
Message-ID: <5136DDC9.21597.8701BC22@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Hi Nicholas,

MS explains it quite well.  The following is copied from Help after entering "Split a database" 
in the search box is Access 2010  (I haven't quoted the whole article - in addition to the 
following overview, it contains specific instructions on how to do it):

Overview
When you split a database, you reorganize it into two files - a back-end database that 
contains the data tables, and a front-end database that contains all the other database 
objects such as queries, forms, and reports. Each user interacts with the data by using a 
local copy of the front-end database.

To split a database, you use the Database Splitter Wizard. After you split the database, you 
must distribute the front-end database to your users.

Benefits of a split database
The benefits of a split database include the following: 

Improved performance  The performance of the database usually improves significantly 
because only the data is sent across the network. In a shared database that is not split, the 
database objects themselves - tables, queries, forms, reports, macros and modules - are 
sent across the network, not just the data.

Greater availability  Because only the data is sent across the network, database transactions 
such as record edits are completed more quickly, which leaves the data more available to 
edit. 

Enhanced security  If you store the back-end database on a computer that uses the NTFS 
file system, you can use NTFS security features to help protect your data. Because users 
access the back-end database by using linked tables, it is less likely that intruders can obtain 
unauthorized access to the data by stealing the front-end database or by posing as an 
authorized user. By default, Windows XP, Windows Vista, and Windows Server 2003 use the 
NTFS file system. 

Improved reliability  If a user encounters a problem and the database closes unexpectedly, 
any database file corruption is usually limited to the copy of the front-end database that the 
user had open. Because the user only accesses data in the back-end database by using 
linked tables, the back-end database file is much less likely to become corrupted.

Flexible development environment  Because each user works with a local copy of the 
front-end database, each user can independently develop queries, forms, reports, and other 
database objects without affecting other users. Similarly, you can develop and distribute a 
new version of the front-end database without disrupting access to the data that is stored in 
the back-end database.

-- 
Stuart
 

On 6 Mar 2013 at 13:45, Nicholas Lee wrote:

> Hi Stuart,
> If you have time could you share more about the backend/ frontend
> structure.
> 
> I'm very new to Access and very knee to learn this new trick (I heard it
> once / twice during the learning of Access, however, I don't know it in
> details).
> 
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> 
> Nicholas



From Nicholas at nagase.com.my  Wed Mar  6 00:47:21 2013
From: Nicholas at nagase.com.my (Nicholas Lee)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 14:47:21 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 - compacted
References: <CACbV_8OpmKWJf-WwYrFf=D0NXQaMbh+WLuOapxqYteZDVW56dw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<63670DC06A61AE4E8CDF65499C6CCD76046D7E1C@nklmail.nagase.com.my>
	<5136DDC9.21597.8701BC22@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <63670DC06A61AE4E8CDF65499C6CCD76046D7EF3@nklmail.nagase.com.my>

Hi Stuart,
Thanks.


Nicholas


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, 6 March, 2013 14:10
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 - compacted

Hi Nicholas,

MS explains it quite well.  The following is copied from Help after
entering "Split a database" 
in the search box is Access 2010  (I haven't quoted the whole article -
in addition to the 
following overview, it contains specific instructions on how to do it):

Overview
When you split a database, you reorganize it into two files - a back-end
database that 
contains the data tables, and a front-end database that contains all the
other database 
objects such as queries, forms, and reports. Each user interacts with
the data by using a 
local copy of the front-end database.

To split a database, you use the Database Splitter Wizard. After you
split the database, you 
must distribute the front-end database to your users.

Benefits of a split database
The benefits of a split database include the following: 

Improved performance  The performance of the database usually improves
significantly 
because only the data is sent across the network. In a shared database
that is not split, the 
database objects themselves - tables, queries, forms, reports, macros
and modules - are 
sent across the network, not just the data.

Greater availability  Because only the data is sent across the network,
database transactions 
such as record edits are completed more quickly, which leaves the data
more available to 
edit. 

Enhanced security  If you store the back-end database on a computer that
uses the NTFS 
file system, you can use NTFS security features to help protect your
data. Because users 
access the back-end database by using linked tables, it is less likely
that intruders can obtain 
unauthorized access to the data by stealing the front-end database or by
posing as an 
authorized user. By default, Windows XP, Windows Vista, and Windows
Server 2003 use the 
NTFS file system. 

Improved reliability  If a user encounters a problem and the database
closes unexpectedly, 
any database file corruption is usually limited to the copy of the
front-end database that the 
user had open. Because the user only accesses data in the back-end
database by using 
linked tables, the back-end database file is much less likely to become
corrupted.

Flexible development environment  Because each user works with a local
copy of the 
front-end database, each user can independently develop queries, forms,
reports, and other 
database objects without affecting other users. Similarly, you can
develop and distribute a 
new version of the front-end database without disrupting access to the
data that is stored in 
the back-end database.

-- 
Stuart
 

On 6 Mar 2013 at 13:45, Nicholas Lee wrote:

> Hi Stuart,
> If you have time could you share more about the backend/ frontend
> structure.
> 
> I'm very new to Access and very knee to learn this new trick (I heard
it
> once / twice during the learning of Access, however, I don't know it
in
> details).
> 
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> 
> Nicholas


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Mar  6 03:15:33 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 10:15:33 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT C# Try Catch question
Message-ID: <003801ce1a4b$28501790$78f046b0$@cactus.dk>

Hi David

It wouldn't be off-topic on our vb list: dba-VB. Why not join us?

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af David McAfee
Sendt: 5. marts 2013 19:42
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: [AccessD] OT C# Try Catch question

Sorry for the OT question .. 



From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Mar  6 03:23:12 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 10:23:12 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Fixing the Microsoft Windows Common Control Library
	(MSCOMCTL.OCX) Security Update
Message-ID: <003a01ce1a4c$3950db00$abf29100$@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Thanks, but how convoluted can you do things:

<quote>
By installing and uninstalling the legacy control, it cleans up the 2.0
registry so the new version is installed properly. The offending registry
that needs to be deleted is:

HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\TypeLib\{831FDD16-0C5C-11D2-A9FC-0000F8754DA1}\2.0 
</quote>

So why not just delete this entry and reinstall the new version?

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John Bartow
Sendt: 5. marts 2013 21:11
Til: DBA-Access
Emne: [AccessD] Fixing the Microsoft Windows Common Control Library
(MSCOMCTL.OCX) Security Update

I thought this was a concise set of instructions for those suffering this
problem:
http://www.fmsinc.com/MicrosoftAccess/Controls/mscomctl/

hth
John B 



From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Wed Mar  6 07:06:16 2013
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2013 08:06:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re-linking Issue
In-Reply-To: <7B9B18B999F644CD8AD53134AB36E4B1@XPS>
References: <CAEPJO1iFeW9-mOcTw5vetT+vy5GCOiGfjRutw-PjPzWcEG1t=g@mail.gmail.com>
	<511E155E0200006B0002B3F4@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
	<82F49E6F480D43529100649804304CE3@XPS>
	<5127572A0200006B0002B620@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
	<51275C0B0200006B0002B625@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
	<0722B9C8BAA14667AABBAAB1346DA5C3@XPS>
	<51276A3A0200006B0002B62A@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
	<7B9B18B999F644CD8AD53134AB36E4B1@XPS>
Message-ID: <5136F8F80200006B0002BA01@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>

First of all, I'll address this question...it states that it is in "97 Format" but it HAS been updated on a 2003 machine (IIRC) in the past. I think I wrote this program back around 2000-2001...maybe even earlier, but I think this is about right. Since this time, so much has changed here at work. For one thing, I don't program too much these days...I'm working w/other projects such as IP Telephony. And, this was for our Social Services Fraud Unit, and they've since hired their own techs...although we do their work for them so much, I don't know why they bothered. 
 
BUT...
 
As I'm sure y'all noticed, I've not been on this every day...and there are good reasons for that. First, I almost always have a good half-dozen projects going on, and they don't always involve programming...right now it is an Intranet Proj, I AM pumping out a little Access program, Our whole dept is migrating all of our campuses to a new network...Novel to Win AD...and there are at least 3-4 other little things that will surely cross my desk today...fires that need to be put out. 
 
Add to that, I came down w/the flu last week, and I'm still not right...this knocked the hell out of me. So, sometimes I'm working on a "hot" project...it ends up be relegated to the back-burner, while another "emergency" gets pushed to the forefront. 
 
I just felt I had to explain why sometimes I ask a question, and then it seems like I fall off the face of the Earth, only to bring it up again days, or even a week or so later. I AM very appreciate of the help given to me here, by y'all. I do read each and every reply that I get...filing many of them away, because even if they don't help w/the immediate issue at hand, I often draw on this knowledge down the road. I try to get back to y'all and say thanks, but I know I've failed at that at least a couple of times.
 
So, let me officially say, Thank You once more. 
 
John W Clark
 
PS...each time I come out here, I end up spending so much time reading the other posts. Just today I find the post about Bound Forms & how the data is brought over. This is something I've always questioned, and as long as I've worked w/Access, you'd think I'd have figured it out by now. But, there seems to be conflicting "answers" out there, and each time I think I have it, what I THINK I know is brought into question. So, I've gotta go finish that. It is from over a week ago, so I hope the answers are there! ;o)

>>> "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net> 2/22/2013 1:28 PM >>>

  Wait...you said Access 97 didn't you?  The DB needs to be in JET 4.0
format at least (A2000 and up).

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 12:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-linking Issue

Well...what I have now done, is to allow the DB to update itself to 2010,
and after doing this, link manager was enabled. It let me go in and alter
the link, and I am not in and using the program. I think I just learned
something, because I never knew this to be the case. 

This won't fix me for good though, because I don't think that department is
all up to date and on 2010. So, I've got to find out what version they do
have and go from there. 

>>> "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net> 2/22/2013 12:12 PM >>>
<<But, my immediate question...my request fro y'all...is how to open link
manager? It is grayed out, and I'm thinking the reason is that I am now
using MS Access 2010, and these programs report as being "Access 97 file
format." Is this the case...that since they are in a different format, link
manager won't run? And, if so, how can I get around this?>>

Still should work.  What's most likely is that it was not installed.  The
other issue is if it is a runtime version. Wizards are not available under
the runtime.

  You can double check quick by creating a blank DB in 2010, link to a
external table, then see if the linked table manager is still grayed out.

Jim.

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From df.waters at comcast.net  Wed Mar  6 07:25:56 2013
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 07:25:56 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Fixing the Microsoft Windows Common Control
	Library	(MSCOMCTL.OCX) Security Update
In-Reply-To: <003a01ce1a4c$3950db00$abf29100$@cactus.dk>
References: <003a01ce1a4c$3950db00$abf29100$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001501ce1a6e$22a81a90$67f84fb0$@comcast.net>

Hi Gustav,

As one who tried several ways to fix this - the FMS approach was the only
one I could count on.  I think the FMS site had a description of why it did
work.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 3:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fixing the Microsoft Windows Common Control Library
(MSCOMCTL.OCX) Security Update

Hi John

Thanks, but how convoluted can you do things:

<quote>
By installing and uninstalling the legacy control, it cleans up the 2.0
registry so the new version is installed properly. The offending registry
that needs to be deleted is:

HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\TypeLib\{831FDD16-0C5C-11D2-A9FC-0000F8754DA1}\2.0
</quote>

So why not just delete this entry and reinstall the new version?

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John Bartow
Sendt: 5. marts 2013 21:11
Til: DBA-Access
Emne: [AccessD] Fixing the Microsoft Windows Common Control Library
(MSCOMCTL.OCX) Security Update

I thought this was a concise set of instructions for those suffering this
problem:
http://www.fmsinc.com/MicrosoftAccess/Controls/mscomctl/

hth
John B 


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Mar  6 07:56:11 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 14:56:11 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Re-linking Issue
Message-ID: <00f101ce1a72$5c8f4450$15adccf0$@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Would that include Lync?

/gustav

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Sendt: 6. marts 2013 14:06
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Re-linking Issue

...I'm working w/other projects such as IP Telephony. 



From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Mar  6 08:01:39 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 15:01:39 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Fixing the Microsoft Windows Common Control Library
	(MSCOMCTL.OCX) Security Update
Message-ID: <00f301ce1a73$1faff6f0$5f0fe4d0$@cactus.dk>

Hi Dan

No, the cited reason was the only one listed. It seems valid, but it is an
awkward method to get rid of that entry.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Dan Waters
Sendt: 6. marts 2013 14:26
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Fixing the Microsoft Windows Common Control Library
(MSCOMCTL.OCX) Security Update

Hi Gustav,

As one who tried several ways to fix this - the FMS approach was the only
one I could count on.  I think the FMS site had a description of why it did
work.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 3:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fixing the Microsoft Windows Common Control Library
(MSCOMCTL.OCX) Security Update

Hi John

Thanks, but how convoluted can you do things:

<quote>
By installing and uninstalling the legacy control, it cleans up the 2.0
registry so the new version is installed properly. The offending registry
that needs to be deleted is:

HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\TypeLib\{831FDD16-0C5C-11D2-A9FC-0000F8754DA1}\2.0
</quote>

So why not just delete this entry and reinstall the new version?

/gustav

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Sendt: 5. marts 2013 21:11
Til: DBA-Access
Emne: [AccessD] Fixing the Microsoft Windows Common Control Library
(MSCOMCTL.OCX) Security Update

I thought this was a concise set of instructions for those suffering this
problem:
http://www.fmsinc.com/MicrosoftAccess/Controls/mscomctl/

hth
John B 



From df.waters at comcast.net  Wed Mar  6 08:09:02 2013
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 08:09:02 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Fixing the Microsoft Windows Common Control
	Library	(MSCOMCTL.OCX) Security Update
In-Reply-To: <00f301ce1a73$1faff6f0$5f0fe4d0$@cactus.dk>
References: <00f301ce1a73$1faff6f0$5f0fe4d0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <002c01ce1a74$2810c800$78325800$@comcast.net>

Hi Gustav,

I have tried just getting rid of that registry entry, but that did not solve
the problem.  Only the approach they describe (and yes it's awkward)
actually worked for me.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 8:02 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fixing the Microsoft Windows Common Control Library
(MSCOMCTL.OCX) Security Update

Hi Dan

No, the cited reason was the only one listed. It seems valid, but it is an
awkward method to get rid of that entry.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Dan Waters
Sendt: 6. marts 2013 14:26
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Fixing the Microsoft Windows Common Control Library
(MSCOMCTL.OCX) Security Update

Hi Gustav,

As one who tried several ways to fix this - the FMS approach was the only
one I could count on.  I think the FMS site had a description of why it did
work.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 3:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fixing the Microsoft Windows Common Control Library
(MSCOMCTL.OCX) Security Update

Hi John

Thanks, but how convoluted can you do things:

<quote>
By installing and uninstalling the legacy control, it cleans up the 2.0
registry so the new version is installed properly. The offending registry
that needs to be deleted is:

HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\TypeLib\{831FDD16-0C5C-11D2-A9FC-0000F8754DA1}\2.0
</quote>

So why not just delete this entry and reinstall the new version?

/gustav

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John Bartow
Sendt: 5. marts 2013 21:11
Til: DBA-Access
Emne: [AccessD] Fixing the Microsoft Windows Common Control Library
(MSCOMCTL.OCX) Security Update

I thought this was a concise set of instructions for those suffering this
problem:
http://www.fmsinc.com/MicrosoftAccess/Controls/mscomctl/

hth
John B 


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Mar  6 10:05:19 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 17:05:19 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Fixing the Microsoft Windows Common Control Library
	(MSCOMCTL.OCX) Security Update
Message-ID: <012901ce1a84$6667b180$33371480$@cactus.dk>

Hi Dan 

Thanks. Then, I guess, there has to be more into it than just deleting this
entry.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Dan Waters
Sendt: 6. marts 2013 15:09
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Fixing the Microsoft Windows Common Control Library
(MSCOMCTL.OCX) Security Update

Hi Gustav,

I have tried just getting rid of that registry entry, but that did not solve
the problem.  Only the approach they describe (and yes it's awkward)
actually worked for me.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 8:02 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fixing the Microsoft Windows Common Control Library
(MSCOMCTL.OCX) Security Update

Hi Dan

No, the cited reason was the only one listed. It seems valid, but it is an
awkward method to get rid of that entry.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Dan Waters
Sendt: 6. marts 2013 14:26
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Fixing the Microsoft Windows Common Control Library
(MSCOMCTL.OCX) Security Update

Hi Gustav,

As one who tried several ways to fix this - the FMS approach was the only
one I could count on.  I think the FMS site had a description of why it did
work.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 3:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fixing the Microsoft Windows Common Control Library
(MSCOMCTL.OCX) Security Update

Hi John

Thanks, but how convoluted can you do things:

<quote>
By installing and uninstalling the legacy control, it cleans up the 2.0
registry so the new version is installed properly. The offending registry
that needs to be deleted is:

HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\TypeLib\{831FDD16-0C5C-11D2-A9FC-0000F8754DA1}\2.0
</quote>

So why not just delete this entry and reinstall the new version?

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John Bartow
Sendt: 5. marts 2013 21:11
Til: DBA-Access
Emne: [AccessD] Fixing the Microsoft Windows Common Control Library
(MSCOMCTL.OCX) Security Update

I thought this was a concise set of instructions for those suffering this
problem:
http://www.fmsinc.com/MicrosoftAccess/Controls/mscomctl/

hth
John B 



From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Thu Mar  7 01:00:38 2013
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2013 20:00:38 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 specialised form controls
Message-ID: <F35C4737E33A6543BC69DFB19CB5748F061868@bsserver.BondSoftware.local>

 

I've just picked up a new client who run Access 2010 and have done a
'bit of their own' front-ending into a SQL Server b/e, embedding reports
on forms etc.   I'm to pick up this f/e and add features. 

 

A couple of questions:

1. I tried porting back their Access f/e to 2003 so I could do some
_real_ development, but the time taken to find all the things that
Access says prevent me from doing this just isn't worth it.  I tried for
a couple of hours, but gave up.   So ... get used to it?   Or not?
(that's a question)

2. They want a Sales figure to show graphically.   But the graphic they
want is akin to a speedo on a car, circular dial, and all that stuff.
I tried Googling but quite honestly I ran into cross-referencing
problems mixing car terminology with Access forms terminology.  Anybody
know of something?

 

MTIA

 

Stephen Bond 

Otatara, New Zealand 

DISTRESS (n.)  A disease incurred by exposure to the prosperity of a
friend.

-- Ambrose Bierce

 

 

 

 


From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Mar  7 01:33:43 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 08:33:43 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 specialised form controls
Message-ID: <002f01ce1b06$18ace1e0$4a06a5a0$@cactus.dk>

Hi Stephen

1. Get used to it. For you I wouldn't even call it a challenge. 

2. Can't tell, but to my knowledge it is beyond the graphic capabilities of
Access. Excel perhaps ...

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Stephen Bond
Sendt: 7. marts 2013 08:01
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: [AccessD] Access 2010 specialised form controls

 

I've just picked up a new client who run Access 2010 and have done a 'bit of
their own' front-ending into a SQL Server b/e, embedding reports
on forms etc.   I'm to pick up this f/e and add features. 

 

A couple of questions:

1. I tried porting back their Access f/e to 2003 so I could do some _real_
development, but the time taken to find all the things that Access says
prevent me from doing this just isn't worth it.  I tried for
a couple of hours, but gave up.   So ... get used to it?   Or not?
(that's a question)

2. They want a Sales figure to show graphically.   But the graphic they
want is akin to a speedo on a car, circular dial, and all that stuff.
I tried Googling but quite honestly I ran into cross-referencing problems
mixing car terminology with Access forms terminology.  Anybody know of
something?

 

MTIA

 

Stephen Bond 

Otatara, New Zealand 

DISTRESS (n.)  A disease incurred by exposure to the prosperity of a friend.

-- Ambrose Bierce



From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Thu Mar  7 01:49:52 2013
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2013 20:49:52 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 specialised form controls
In-Reply-To: <DF2AF386D65B419FBB816C8EB5FC4250@BondSoftware.local>
References: <DF2AF386D65B419FBB816C8EB5FC4250@BondSoftware.local>
Message-ID: <F35C4737E33A6543BC69DFB19CB5748F061869@bsserver.BondSoftware.local>

Thanks Gustav.  
For #1, with MS I'm a glass-half-empty guy, so that's what I figured.  
For #2, FMS have some 'full circle gauges' in their Total Access Components suite but I don't know whether the customer would want to stump up usd199 just for that.

Stephen

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, 7 March 2013 8:43 p.m.
To: Stephen
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 specialised form controls

Hi Stephen

1. Get used to it. For you I wouldn't even call it a challenge. 

2. Can't tell, but to my knowledge it is beyond the graphic capabilities of
Access. Excel perhaps ...

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Stephen Bond
Sendt: 7. marts 2013 08:01
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: [AccessD] Access 2010 specialised form controls

 

I've just picked up a new client who run Access 2010 and have done a 'bit of
their own' front-ending into a SQL Server b/e, embedding reports
on forms etc.   I'm to pick up this f/e and add features. 

 

A couple of questions:

1. I tried porting back their Access f/e to 2003 so I could do some _real_
development, but the time taken to find all the things that Access says
prevent me from doing this just isn't worth it.  I tried for
a couple of hours, but gave up.   So ... get used to it?   Or not?
(that's a question)

2. They want a Sales figure to show graphically.   But the graphic they
want is akin to a speedo on a car, circular dial, and all that stuff.
I tried Googling but quite honestly I ran into cross-referencing problems
mixing car terminology with Access forms terminology.  Anybody know of
something?

 

MTIA

 

Stephen Bond 

Otatara, New Zealand 

DISTRESS (n.)  A disease incurred by exposure to the prosperity of a friend.

-- Ambrose Bierce


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Mar  7 02:33:02 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 00:33:02 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 specialised form controls
In-Reply-To: <F35C4737E33A6543BC69DFB19CB5748F061868@bsserver.BondSoftware.local>
References: <F35C4737E33A6543BC69DFB19CB5748F061868@bsserver.BondSoftware.local>
Message-ID: <BECC8B8C3C494CC0B4B49E1D5AE81344@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Stephen:

Have you looked at the following. Have used this for a client's website a
while back as all it takes is an appropriate series of plot points to create
graphics of various kinds. It should be easy to call from your Access web
interface.

https://developers.google.com/chart/

Check it out as it might have something you could use and will make your
client happy.

Here is a simple example of a gauge web page call:

https://developers.google.com/chart/interactive/docs/gallery/gauge#Example

Just build the page from within Access as follows:

dim strWebpage as String

  Open "c:\webpages\yourCharthere.html " For Output As #1
  Write #1, "<html>"
  Write #1, "<head>"
  Write #1, <script type='text/javascript'
src='https://www.google.com/jsapi'></script>"          
  ...
  Write #1, "</body>"
  Write #1, "</html>"
  Close #1

...and then call the page using something like:

Application.FollowHyperlink "http://yourCharthere.html" or use the Shell()
or ShellExecute() command to call the page.
 
Example: ShellExecute("c:\webpages\yourCharthere.html")

HTH

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Bond
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 11:01 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 specialised form controls

 

I've just picked up a new client who run Access 2010 and have done a
'bit of their own' front-ending into a SQL Server b/e, embedding reports
on forms etc.   I'm to pick up this f/e and add features. 

 

A couple of questions:

1. I tried porting back their Access f/e to 2003 so I could do some
_real_ development, but the time taken to find all the things that
Access says prevent me from doing this just isn't worth it.  I tried for
a couple of hours, but gave up.   So ... get used to it?   Or not?
(that's a question)

2. They want a Sales figure to show graphically.   But the graphic they
want is akin to a speedo on a car, circular dial, and all that stuff.
I tried Googling but quite honestly I ran into cross-referencing
problems mixing car terminology with Access forms terminology.  Anybody
know of something?

 

MTIA

 

Stephen Bond 

Otatara, New Zealand 

DISTRESS (n.)  A disease incurred by exposure to the prosperity of a
friend.

-- Ambrose Bierce

 

 

 

 

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From df.waters at comcast.net  Thu Mar  7 06:26:10 2013
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 06:26:10 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 specialised form controls
In-Reply-To: <F35C4737E33A6543BC69DFB19CB5748F061868@bsserver.BondSoftware.local>
References: <F35C4737E33A6543BC69DFB19CB5748F061868@bsserver.BondSoftware.local>
Message-ID: <000801ce1b2e$f381aad0$da850070$@comcast.net>

Hi Stephen,

One avenue you could take is 3rd party controls.  An example is
www.tableausoftware.com.  I think they are expensive though.  Maybe there
are some available that cost less.

Another interesting avenue is to programmatically draw partial circles on an
access report using the Circle method.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/bb237793(v=office.12).aspx

Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Bond
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 1:01 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 specialised form controls

 

I've just picked up a new client who run Access 2010 and have done a 'bit of
their own' front-ending into a SQL Server b/e, embedding reports
on forms etc.   I'm to pick up this f/e and add features. 

 

A couple of questions:

1. I tried porting back their Access f/e to 2003 so I could do some _real_
development, but the time taken to find all the things that Access says
prevent me from doing this just isn't worth it.  I tried for
a couple of hours, but gave up.   So ... get used to it?   Or not?
(that's a question)

2. They want a Sales figure to show graphically.   But the graphic they
want is akin to a speedo on a car, circular dial, and all that stuff.
I tried Googling but quite honestly I ran into cross-referencing problems
mixing car terminology with Access forms terminology.  Anybody know of
something?

 

MTIA

 

Stephen Bond 

Otatara, New Zealand 

DISTRESS (n.)  A disease incurred by exposure to the prosperity of a friend.

-- Ambrose Bierce

 

 

 

 

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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Thu Mar  7 07:02:20 2013
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 08:02:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 specialised form controls
In-Reply-To: <000801ce1b2e$f381aad0$da850070$@comcast.net>
References: <F35C4737E33A6543BC69DFB19CB5748F061868@bsserver.BondSoftware.local>
	<000801ce1b2e$f381aad0$da850070$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAsJDcN1PWGvSzsgTJa5p4=kB_p_1EhA=TLkAMviJqrECw@mail.gmail.com>

Stephen,
This may be too simple for your needs, but for some situations the approach
here may suit your needs.
I haven't tried it so don't have personal experience. I like a lot of
datapig Access stuff.
http://datapigtechnologies.com/blog/index.php/using-dashboard-graphics-in-access/

On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 7:26 AM, Dan Waters <df.waters at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi Stephen,
>
> One avenue you could take is 3rd party controls.  An example is
> www.tableausoftware.com.  I think they are expensive though.  Maybe there
> are some available that cost less.
>
> Another interesting avenue is to programmatically draw partial circles on
> an
> access report using the Circle method.
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/bb237793(v=office.12).aspx
>
> Good Luck!
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Bond
> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 1:01 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 specialised form controls
>
>
>
> I've just picked up a new client who run Access 2010 and have done a 'bit
> of
> their own' front-ending into a SQL Server b/e, embedding reports
> on forms etc.   I'm to pick up this f/e and add features.
>
>
>
> A couple of questions:
>
> 1. I tried porting back their Access f/e to 2003 so I could do some _real_
> development, but the time taken to find all the things that Access says
> prevent me from doing this just isn't worth it.  I tried for
> a couple of hours, but gave up.   So ... get used to it?   Or not?
> (that's a question)
>
> 2. They want a Sales figure to show graphically.   But the graphic they
> want is akin to a speedo on a car, circular dial, and all that stuff.
> I tried Googling but quite honestly I ran into cross-referencing problems
> mixing car terminology with Access forms terminology.  Anybody know of
> something?
>
>
>
> MTIA
>
>
>
> Stephen Bond
>
> Otatara, New Zealand
>
> DISTRESS (n.)  A disease incurred by exposure to the prosperity of a
> friend.
>
> -- Ambrose Bierce
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Thu Mar  7 08:45:12 2013
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 08:45:12 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 specialised form controls
References: <F35C4737E33A6543BC69DFB19CB5748F061868@bsserver.BondSoftware.local>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C5018BABC9@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

Stephen,

About a year ago, I conducted a fair amount of research into the
possibility of using gauges on Access reports.

I discovered a couple software products but I thought that they did not
provide the flexibility that we needed.

I then discovered a fairly easy way to generate gauges with Excel.  Here
are links to two youtube clips that explain how to do this.  
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7RZjVV0MRU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Deb6K2PiFy0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Using these examples, I then put together Access VBA code to "call"
Excel (Windows Automation).  This took a little work, but once I had an
example to work from it was quite easy to refine the gauges as needed.

If you are interested in this approach, I will create a sample and
e-mail it to you. 

Brad

PS.  Here is a high level summary of the process that we use. 

Access pulls data from SQL Server
Access summarizes the data
Access "calls" Excel to generate a gauge based on the summarized data
Excel generates the gauge and stores it as a jpg or png file
The generated gauge is included on an Access report

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~ 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Bond
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 1:01 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 specialised form controls

 

I've just picked up a new client who run Access 2010 and have done a
'bit of their own' front-ending into a SQL Server b/e, embedding reports
on forms etc.   I'm to pick up this f/e and add features. 

 

A couple of questions:

1. I tried porting back their Access f/e to 2003 so I could do some
_real_ development, but the time taken to find all the things that
Access says prevent me from doing this just isn't worth it.  I tried for
a couple of hours, but gave up.   So ... get used to it?   Or not?
(that's a question)

2. They want a Sales figure to show graphically.   But the graphic they
want is akin to a speedo on a car, circular dial, and all that stuff.
I tried Googling but quite honestly I ran into cross-referencing
problems mixing car terminology with Access forms terminology.  Anybody
know of something?

 

MTIA

 

Stephen Bond 

Otatara, New Zealand 

DISTRESS (n.)  A disease incurred by exposure to the prosperity of a
friend.

-- Ambrose Bierce

 

 

 

 

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Mar  7 12:07:09 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 10:07:09 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] 2007 in a Virtual Box
Message-ID: <D03BAF416E4845AF91E999D08442FDA2@HAL9007>

Dear List:
 
I'm running VM VirtualBox and set up a machine with Office 2007 for a test
bed (to avoid that pesky install every time I want to switch Office
versions).
 
Now I want to copy some mdbs from my C drive to the VM but of course the VM
doesn't see my HD.  I suppose I could copy to a USB and then off the usb
from inside the VM but I'll bet there's an easier way.
 
Is there?
 
TIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
 

From dw-murphy at cox.net  Thu Mar  7 12:26:25 2013
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 10:26:25 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] 2007 in a Virtual Box
In-Reply-To: <D03BAF416E4845AF91E999D08442FDA2@HAL9007>
References: <D03BAF416E4845AF91E999D08442FDA2@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <00ab01ce1b61$471af610$d550e230$@cox.net>

Rocky,

Don't know about virtual box but in VMWare Workstation I can just copy the
file then paste onto VM desktop.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 10:07 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] 2007 in a Virtual Box

Dear List:
 
I'm running VM VirtualBox and set up a machine with Office 2007 for a test
bed (to avoid that pesky install every time I want to switch Office
versions).
 
Now I want to copy some mdbs from my C drive to the VM but of course the VM
doesn't see my HD.  I suppose I could copy to a USB and then off the usb
from inside the VM but I'll bet there's an easier way.
 
Is there?
 
TIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
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From dbdoug at gmail.com  Thu Mar  7 12:34:04 2013
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 10:34:04 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] 2007 in a Virtual Box
In-Reply-To: <00ab01ce1b61$471af610$d550e230$@cox.net>
References: <D03BAF416E4845AF91E999D08442FDA2@HAL9007>
	<00ab01ce1b61$471af610$d550e230$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <CAFa8NkghSP5YLk5S7+aZvmUXd4OLYFLUxCho50OYF9bPLB1KTA@mail.gmail.com>

Don't know about virtual box :), but in VMWare Workstation and Parallels
you can set up shared drives with your main HD.


On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Doug Murphy <dw-murphy at cox.net> wrote:

> Rocky,
>
> Don't know about virtual box but in VMWare Workstation I can just copy the
> file then paste onto VM desktop.
>
> Doug
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 10:07 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Cc: 'Off Topic'
> Subject: [AccessD] 2007 in a Virtual Box
>
> Dear List:
>
> I'm running VM VirtualBox and set up a machine with Office 2007 for a test
> bed (to avoid that pesky install every time I want to switch Office
> versions).
>
> Now I want to copy some mdbs from my C drive to the VM but of course the VM
> doesn't see my HD.  I suppose I could copy to a USB and then off the usb
> from inside the VM but I'll bet there's an easier way.
>
> Is there?
>
> TIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Mar  7 12:41:16 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 10:41:16 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] 2007 in a Virtual Box
In-Reply-To: <00ab01ce1b61$471af610$d550e230$@cox.net>
References: <D03BAF416E4845AF91E999D08442FDA2@HAL9007>
	<00ab01ce1b61$471af610$d550e230$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <37638BE0E42C4FA784774E3ADBF8778D@HAL9007>

No cigar.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 10:26 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 in a Virtual Box

Rocky,

Don't know about virtual box but in VMWare Workstation I can just copy the
file then paste onto VM desktop.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 10:07 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] 2007 in a Virtual Box

Dear List:
 
I'm running VM VirtualBox and set up a machine with Office 2007 for a test
bed (to avoid that pesky install every time I want to switch Office
versions).
 
Now I want to copy some mdbs from my C drive to the VM but of course the VM
doesn't see my HD.  I suppose I could copy to a USB and then off the usb
from inside the VM but I'll bet there's an easier way.
 
Is there?
 
TIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Thu Mar  7 12:45:41 2013
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 18:45:41 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] 2007 in a Virtual Box
In-Reply-To: <37638BE0E42C4FA784774E3ADBF8778D@HAL9007>
References: <D03BAF416E4845AF91E999D08442FDA2@HAL9007>
	<00ab01ce1b61$471af610$d550e230$@cox.net>
	<37638BE0E42C4FA784774E3ADBF8778D@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <C66FD874-DE33-4A5E-BD13-F402A0E20893@qub.ac.uk>

Rocky

Should have an option to share local folder in the settings for the vm

https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?t=15868

Martin

Sent from my iPad

On 7 Mar 2013, at 18:43, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com<mailto:rockysmolin at bchacc.com>> wrote:

No cigar.

R


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 10:26 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 in a Virtual Box

Rocky,

Don't know about virtual box but in VMWare Workstation I can just copy the
file then paste onto VM desktop.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 10:07 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] 2007 in a Virtual Box

Dear List:

I'm running VM VirtualBox and set up a machine with Office 2007 for a test
bed (to avoid that pesky install every time I want to switch Office
versions).

Now I want to copy some mdbs from my C drive to the VM but of course the VM
doesn't see my HD.  I suppose I could copy to a USB and then off the usb
from inside the VM but I'll bet there's an easier way.

Is there?

TIA

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com<http://www.bchacc.com> <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com<http://www.e-z-mrp.com>
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin


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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Thu Mar  7 15:11:06 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 01:11:06 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?2007_in_a_Virtual_Box?=
References: <D03BAF416E4845AF91E999D08442FDA2@HAL9007>
	<00ab01ce1b61$471af610$d550e230$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <1362690666.831560173@f221.mail.ru>

 <<<
Don't know about virtual box :)
>>>
"Don't know about virtual box" :) ... but on Win8 Professional you can easily setup and use Hyper-V VMs and MS Windows ordinary homegroups to share real and virtual HDDs' files and to copy files between real and virtual HDDs :)

-- Shamil


???????,  7 ????? 2013, 10:34 -08:00 ?? Doug Steele <dbdoug at gmail.com>:
>Don't know about virtual box :), but in VMWare Workstation and Parallels
>you can set up shared drives with your main HD.
>
>
>On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Doug Murphy < dw-murphy at cox.net > wrote:
>
>> Rocky,
>>
>> Don't know about virtual box but in VMWare Workstation I can just copy the
>> file then paste onto VM desktop.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:  accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
>> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 10:07 AM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Cc: 'Off Topic'
>> Subject: [AccessD] 2007 in a Virtual Box
>>
>> Dear List:
>>
>> I'm running VM VirtualBox and set up a machine with Office 2007 for a test
>> bed (to avoid that pesky install every time I want to switch Office
>> versions).
>>
>> Now I want to copy some mdbs from my C drive to the VM but of course the VM
>> doesn't see my HD.  I suppose I could copy to a USB and then off the usb
>> from inside the VM but I'll bet there's an easier way.
>>
>> Is there?
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> Rocky Smolin
>> Beach Access Software
>> 858-259-4334

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Mar  8 07:48:27 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 08:48:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 2007 in a Virtual Box
In-Reply-To: <1362690666.831560173@f221.mail.ru>
References: <D03BAF416E4845AF91E999D08442FDA2@HAL9007>
	<00ab01ce1b61$471af610$d550e230$@cox.net>
	<1362690666.831560173@f221.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jgu8uULqrq2vfxXfctdcE-AWSHKaBqxWOLjxB-KsLhqA@mail.gmail.com>

I use VirtualBox and this procedure:

1. Copy the files in question to a USB thumb drive.
2. Start VirtualBox and on its Machines menu I select the USB item and
point to the thumb drive.
3. Occasionally VirtualBox does not "see" the thumb drive or thinks that
Windows still has a hold on it. If that happens, switch back to Windows and
safely eject the drive. Then switch to VirtualBox and re-insert the drive.
Then repeat step 2.

HTH,
Arthur


From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Fri Mar  8 08:31:21 2013
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 09:31:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re-linking Issue
In-Reply-To: <00f101ce1a72$5c8f4450$15adccf0$@cactus.dk>
References: <00f101ce1a72$5c8f4450$15adccf0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <5139AFE90200006B0002BB41@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>

No, not so far. This is MS correct? We are not currently doing any
Microsoft. 
 
What we have now is a very small...less than 50 devices...Cisco
environment. Actually, since about a year ago, we through up another
small, separate Cisco system as well...I have nothing to do w/the latter
one. 
 
We are not looking at converting the entire county govt to a new IPT
system. We're looking at Cisco, Avaya, ShoreTel, and Mitel...I might
have even forgotten a couple. I am quite open, but some of the powers
that be...particularly my own boss...seem quite set on sticking w/Cisco.
I like Cisco switches, but I'm not completely sold on them for
telephone...much more expensive and complex than it needs to be. I
personally like what MiTel and ShoreTel are showing us...and I was dead
set against ShoreTel...but this is one of MY personal assets; I tend to
remain open-minded. 

>>> "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> 3/6/2013 8:56 AM >>>
Hi John

Would that include Lync?

/gustav

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John Clark
Sendt: 6. marts 2013 14:06
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Re-linking Issue

...I'm working w/other projects such as IP Telephony. 


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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Fri Mar  8 08:52:21 2013
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 09:52:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OnUpdate not firing
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OK, I'm sure this is an Access 101 question, and I'm missing something easy here. Please forgive me, as I've recently explained, I've not done much w/Access in a couple of years now, and I think some of my knowledge has purged itself...or it is at least slow at being recollected...
 
My current project is a small program for the District Attorney's office. It creates a payment voucher for trial witnesses. It is a pretty cool little program, but I actually wrote it 3 yrs ago...December of 2009. They did not get approval that they needed, from the state, to use this program, so it was put off. It was originally suppose to go live, on January 2, 2010. Then it got put off again...and again...and again...until it was eventually forgotten about. Last month, they came to me and asked if I still had that program out there. I dug it up and made a few modifications, and it is going live next week...I hope.
 
Anyhow...one of the pieces I have not touched is not working. It made it through an initial set of test data, w/out coming out. I got a bit lazy w/the testing, because it was tested pretty thorough back w/I initially did it, and to be honest, I'm quite busy w/out this thing, these days. I'm quite friendly w/a couple of the people in the DA's office, so I fit it in as sort of a favor to them...it is a good idea to have friends in the District Attorney's office, you understand?
 
Here is the issue...
 
It basically a 1-form application, and after putting in the data, you press a button that creates a printed voucher. When you open that form, focus goes immediately to the Witness' last name field. There are two fields above it: Voucher Number, which is auto and does not get focus, and the date, which also eludes focus...it is the current day's date. The "OnChange" event of that data tells the form to fill in the current mileage rate, and witness fee, based on the date value...these rates can, and probably will change in the future, and we wanted it to roll w/the change...yet, be able to look up old rates and such if necessary. 
 
The date does not fill in until you start typing that last name...as soon as you hit the first key, the date appears in its filed. But, that does not fire the OnChange event, I guess, because those rates never fill in. Because the rates do not fill in, an amount is never calculated, and you get an error, and then a blank voucher, w/you click on that button to create it. 
 
I'm sure I can muddle through and fix this somehow, but I want to know what I am doing wrong, and how I should be doing this instead. I don't know why I did it this way, but the date is coming from the default setting (now())...should I instead be setting it in the OnCurrent, or OnLoad even of the form? Or maybe from the LastName field?
 
This was written in Access 2007, but I am now using 2010.

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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Fri Mar  8 08:54:52 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 09:54:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 2007 Word merge
Message-ID: <5139FBBC.3020608@gmail.com>

I have an existing Word document that with fields defined etc which when I open it tries to pull 
data.  My problem is I have no clue where the data is supposed to be, and I cannot figure out how to 
tell inside of the word document where /it/ thinks the data is coming from.

So (step by step) how do I get to the properties of the word document that says what the data source 
is?  Office 2007.

This whole 'data source' thing is something I have never understood very well.  8(

-- 
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Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Mar  8 09:00:43 2013
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 07:00:43 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OnUpdate not firing
In-Reply-To: <5139B4D50200006B0002BB46@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
References: <D03BAF416E4845AF91E999D08442FDA2@HAL9007>
	<00ab01ce1b61$471af610$d550e230$@cox.net>
	<1362690666.831560173@f221.mail.ru>
	<CAEPJO1jgu8uULqrq2vfxXfctdcE-AWSHKaBqxWOLjxB-KsLhqA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5139B4D50200006B0002BB46@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met-uRmtBMH79aoF2pQP45hbfjYHv13WfeG96YCVUvr4cVw@mail.gmail.com>

OnChange occurs when you edit a value, not when it's set in code.  Try
either OnEnter or GotFocus, but make sure you have code to discard the
record if they don't actually enter anything.

Charlotte

On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 6:52 AM, John Clark <John.Clark at niagaracounty.com>wrote:

> OK, I'm sure this is an Access 101 question, and I'm missing something
> easy here. Please forgive me, as I've recently explained, I've not done
> much w/Access in a couple of years now, and I think some of my knowledge
> has purged itself...or it is at least slow at being recollected...
>
> My current project is a small program for the District Attorney's office.
> It creates a payment voucher for trial witnesses. It is a pretty cool
> little program, but I actually wrote it 3 yrs ago...December of 2009. They
> did not get approval that they needed, from the state, to use this program,
> so it was put off. It was originally suppose to go live, on January 2,
> 2010. Then it got put off again...and again...and again...until it was
> eventually forgotten about. Last month, they came to me and asked if I
> still had that program out there. I dug it up and made a few modifications,
> and it is going live next week...I hope.
>
> Anyhow...one of the pieces I have not touched is not working. It made it
> through an initial set of test data, w/out coming out. I got a bit lazy
> w/the testing, because it was tested pretty thorough back w/I initially did
> it, and to be honest, I'm quite busy w/out this thing, these days. I'm
> quite friendly w/a couple of the people in the DA's office, so I fit it in
> as sort of a favor to them...it is a good idea to have friends in the
> District Attorney's office, you understand?
>
> Here is the issue...
>
> It basically a 1-form application, and after putting in the data, you
> press a button that creates a printed voucher. When you open that form,
> focus goes immediately to the Witness' last name field. There are two
> fields above it: Voucher Number, which is auto and does not get focus, and
> the date, which also eludes focus...it is the current day's date. The
> "OnChange" event of that data tells the form to fill in the current mileage
> rate, and witness fee, based on the date value...these rates can, and
> probably will change in the future, and we wanted it to roll w/the
> change...yet, be able to look up old rates and such if necessary.
>
> The date does not fill in until you start typing that last name...as soon
> as you hit the first key, the date appears in its filed. But, that does not
> fire the OnChange event, I guess, because those rates never fill in.
> Because the rates do not fill in, an amount is never calculated, and you
> get an error, and then a blank voucher, w/you click on that button to
> create it.
>
> I'm sure I can muddle through and fix this somehow, but I want to know
> what I am doing wrong, and how I should be doing this instead. I don't know
> why I did it this way, but the date is coming from the default setting
> (now())...should I instead be setting it in the OnCurrent, or OnLoad even
> of the form? Or maybe from the LastName field?
>
> This was written in Access 2007, but I am now using 2010.
>
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Fri Mar  8 09:03:39 2013
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 09:03:39 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OnUpdate not firing
In-Reply-To: <5139B4D50200006B0002BB46@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
References: <D03BAF416E4845AF91E999D08442FDA2@HAL9007>
	<00ab01ce1b61$471af610$d550e230$@cox.net>
	<1362690666.831560173@f221.mail.ru>
	<CAEPJO1jgu8uULqrq2vfxXfctdcE-AWSHKaBqxWOLjxB-KsLhqA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5139B4D50200006B0002BB46@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pLhmGKVLdGhxPZ7x_85YeW_ziO5xo4XpxVBWTZ2hLYe0g@mail.gmail.com>

From:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/aa211341%28v=office.11%29.aspx
<http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/aa211341%28v=office.11%29.aspx>

The Change event occurs when the contents of a text box or the text
portion of a combo box changes. It also occurs when you move from one
page to another page in a tab control.

and

Setting the value of a control by using a macro or Visual Basic
doesn't trigger this event for the control. You must type the data
directly into the control, or set the control's Text property.

So you can try moving the date to the text property of the control and
see if that works.

GK

On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 8:52 AM, John Clark <John.Clark at niagaracounty.com> wrote:
> OK, I'm sure this is an Access 101 question, and I'm missing something easy here. Please forgive me, as I've recently explained, I've not done much w/Access in a couple of years now, and I think some of my knowledge has purged itself...or it is at least slow at being recollected...
>
> My current project is a small program for the District Attorney's office. It creates a payment voucher for trial witnesses. It is a pretty cool little program, but I actually wrote it 3 yrs ago...December of 2009. They did not get approval that they needed, from the state, to use this program, so it was put off. It was originally suppose to go live, on January 2, 2010. Then it got put off again...and again...and again...until it was eventually forgotten about. Last month, they came to me and asked if I still had that program out there. I dug it up and made a few modifications, and it is going live next week...I hope.
>
> Anyhow...one of the pieces I have not touched is not working. It made it through an initial set of test data, w/out coming out. I got a bit lazy w/the testing, because it was tested pretty thorough back w/I initially did it, and to be honest, I'm quite busy w/out this thing, these days. I'm quite friendly w/a couple of the people in the DA's office, so I fit it in as sort of a favor to them...it is a good idea to have friends in the District Attorney's office, you understand?
>
> Here is the issue...
>
> It basically a 1-form application, and after putting in the data, you press a button that creates a printed voucher. When you open that form, focus goes immediately to the Witness' last name field. There are two fields above it: Voucher Number, which is auto and does not get focus, and the date, which also eludes focus...it is the current day's date. The "OnChange" event of that data tells the form to fill in the current mileage rate, and witness fee, based on the date value...these rates can, and probably will change in the future, and we wanted it to roll w/the change...yet, be able to look up old rates and such if necessary.
>
> The date does not fill in until you start typing that last name...as soon as you hit the first key, the date appears in its filed. But, that does not fire the OnChange event, I guess, because those rates never fill in. Because the rates do not fill in, an amount is never calculated, and you get an error, and then a blank voucher, w/you click on that button to create it.
>
> I'm sure I can muddle through and fix this somehow, but I want to know what I am doing wrong, and how I should be doing this instead. I don't know why I did it this way, but the date is coming from the default setting (now())...should I instead be setting it in the OnCurrent, or OnLoad even of the form? Or maybe from the LastName field?
>
> This was written in Access 2007, but I am now using 2010.
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Mar  8 09:24:08 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 07:24:08 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] 2007 in a Virtual Box
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jgu8uULqrq2vfxXfctdcE-AWSHKaBqxWOLjxB-KsLhqA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D03BAF416E4845AF91E999D08442FDA2@HAL9007><00ab01ce1b61$471af610$d550e230$@cox.net><1362690666.831560173@f221.mail.ru>
	<CAEPJO1jgu8uULqrq2vfxXfctdcE-AWSHKaBqxWOLjxB-KsLhqA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AEAB97D53ED34AB0BCB3F890CCCD4C0D@HAL9007>

That's what I was thinking for a workaround.  But the list (as usual) helped
me figure out how to get the folder on the host system shared on the VM.
Slick.

R
  

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Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 5:48 AM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 in a Virtual Box

I use VirtualBox and this procedure:

1. Copy the files in question to a USB thumb drive.
2. Start VirtualBox and on its Machines menu I select the USB item and point
to the thumb drive.
3. Occasionally VirtualBox does not "see" the thumb drive or thinks that
Windows still has a hold on it. If that happens, switch back to Windows and
safely eject the drive. Then switch to VirtualBox and re-insert the drive.
Then repeat step 2.

HTH,
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Fri Mar  8 09:28:11 2013
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 10:28:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 2007 Word merge
In-Reply-To: <5139FBBC.3020608@gmail.com>
References: <5139FBBC.3020608@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01d401ce1c11$8bd818e0$a3884aa0$@net>

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/ff838518.aspx
Here you go John....

>
> I have an existing Word document that with fields defined etc which
> when I open it tries to pull
> data.  My problem is I have no clue where the data is supposed to be,
> and I cannot figure out how to
> tell inside of the word document where /it/ thinks the data is coming
> from.



From jwcolby at gmail.com  Fri Mar  8 10:08:48 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 11:08:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 2007 Word merge
In-Reply-To: <01d401ce1c11$8bd818e0$a3884aa0$@net>
References: <5139FBBC.3020608@gmail.com> <01d401ce1c11$8bd818e0$a3884aa0$@net>
Message-ID: <513A0D10.80003@gmail.com>

Thanks for the reply Mark.  Two problems.  First this is office 2013, and second this is VBA. Isn't 
there somewhere you can go in the document (a properties box) of /something/ that just shows what 
this document is going to look for?

Google is returning about a bajillion "open the merge wizard" and leading me through creating a 
merge from scratch.  I have an existing document.  It pulls data from somewhere.  Since it cannot 
find its somewhere it opens a browser telling me to find its somewhere.  But I do not know its 
somewhere, the document does.

There HAS to be a way to just open the document /without/ trying to do the merge, and click on 
something that shows me in english language that this thing expects a file named xyz in location abc 
or something similar.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 3/8/2013 10:28 AM, Mark Simms wrote:
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/ff838518.aspx
> Here you go John....
>
>> I have an existing Word document that with fields defined etc which
>> when I open it tries to pull
>> data.  My problem is I have no clue where the data is supposed to be,
>> and I cannot figure out how to
>> tell inside of the word document where /it/ thinks the data is coming
>> from.
>


From RRANTHON at sentara.com  Fri Mar  8 10:20:37 2013
From: RRANTHON at sentara.com (RANDALL R ANTHONY)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 16:20:37 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] 2007 Word merge
In-Reply-To: <513A0D10.80003@gmail.com>
References: <5139FBBC.3020608@gmail.com>
	<01d401ce1c11$8bd818e0$a3884aa0$@net> <513A0D10.80003@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201303081620.r28GKigp022934@databaseadvisors.com>

John,
You should be able to open the document and right click a field(?) and click on properties.  When the properties form is displayed the Bookmark should identify where your program is getting the data.

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Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 11:09 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 Word merge

Thanks for the reply Mark.  Two problems.  First this is office 2013, and second this is VBA. Isn't there somewhere you can go in the document (a properties box) of /something/ that just shows what this document is going to look for?

Google is returning about a bajillion "open the merge wizard" and leading me through creating a merge from scratch.  I have an existing document.  It pulls data from somewhere.  Since it cannot find its somewhere it opens a browser telling me to find its somewhere.  But I do not know its somewhere, the document does.

There HAS to be a way to just open the document /without/ trying to do the merge, and click on something that shows me in english language that this thing expects a file named xyz in location abc or something similar.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 3/8/2013 10:28 AM, Mark Simms wrote:
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/ff838518.aspx
> Here you go John....
>
>> I have an existing Word document that with fields defined etc which 
>> when I open it tries to pull data.  My problem is I have no clue 
>> where the data is supposed to be, and I cannot figure out how to tell 
>> inside of the word document where /it/ thinks the data is coming 
>> from.
>

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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Fri Mar  8 10:41:30 2013
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 11:41:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OnUpdate not firing
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pLhmGKVLdGhxPZ7x_85YeW_ziO5xo4XpxVBWTZ2hLYe0g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D03BAF416E4845AF91E999D08442FDA2@HAL9007>
	<00ab01ce1b61$471af610$d550e230$@cox.net>
	<1362690666.831560173@f221.mail.ru>
	<CAEPJO1jgu8uULqrq2vfxXfctdcE-AWSHKaBqxWOLjxB-KsLhqA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5139B4D50200006B0002BB46@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
	<CAJ2R_pLhmGKVLdGhxPZ7x_85YeW_ziO5xo4XpxVBWTZ2hLYe0g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5139CE6A0200006B0002BB51@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>

I just took the code from the "After Update" of the date, and I duplicated it into the "After Update" of the Mileage field. It can't figure the total amt of payment until it gets that anyhow. I should probably remove it from where it was, but I'm hesitating for now...I'll do that last, so I know to put it back if it messes something up. It seems to be working now though. 

>>> Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> 3/8/2013 10:03 AM >>>
From:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/aa211341%28v=office.11%29.aspx
<http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/aa211341%28v=office.11%29.aspx>

The Change event occurs when the contents of a text box or the text
portion of a combo box changes. It also occurs when you move from one
page to another page in a tab control.

and

Setting the value of a control by using a macro or Visual Basic
doesn't trigger this event for the control. You must type the data
directly into the control, or set the control's Text property.

So you can try moving the date to the text property of the control and
see if that works.

GK

On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 8:52 AM, John Clark <John.Clark at niagaracounty.com> wrote:
> OK, I'm sure this is an Access 101 question, and I'm missing something easy here. Please forgive me, as I've recently explained, I've not done much w/Access in a couple of years now, and I think some of my knowledge has purged itself...or it is at least slow at being recollected...
>
> My current project is a small program for the District Attorney's office. It creates a payment voucher for trial witnesses. It is a pretty cool little program, but I actually wrote it 3 yrs ago...December of 2009. They did not get approval that they needed, from the state, to use this program, so it was put off. It was originally suppose to go live, on January 2, 2010. Then it got put off again...and again...and again...until it was eventually forgotten about. Last month, they came to me and asked if I still had that program out there. I dug it up and made a few modifications, and it is going live next week...I hope.
>
> Anyhow...one of the pieces I have not touched is not working. It made it through an initial set of test data, w/out coming out. I got a bit lazy w/the testing, because it was tested pretty thorough back w/I initially did it, and to be honest, I'm quite busy w/out this thing, these days. I'm quite friendly w/a couple of the people in the DA's office, so I fit it in as sort of a favor to them...it is a good idea to have friends in the District Attorney's office, you understand?
>
> Here is the issue...
>
> It basically a 1-form application, and after putting in the data, you press a button that creates a printed voucher. When you open that form, focus goes immediately to the Witness' last name field. There are two fields above it: Voucher Number, which is auto and does not get focus, and the date, which also eludes focus...it is the current day's date. The "OnChange" event of that data tells the form to fill in the current mileage rate, and witness fee, based on the date value...these rates can, and probably will change in the future, and we wanted it to roll w/the change...yet, be able to look up old rates and such if necessary.
>
> The date does not fill in until you start typing that last name...as soon as you hit the first key, the date appears in its filed. But, that does not fire the OnChange event, I guess, because those rates never fill in. Because the rates do not fill in, an amount is never calculated, and you get an error, and then a blank voucher, w/you click on that button to create it.
>
> I'm sure I can muddle through and fix this somehow, but I want to know what I am doing wrong, and how I should be doing this instead. I don't know why I did it this way, but the date is coming from the default setting (now())...should I instead be setting it in the OnCurrent, or OnLoad even of the form? Or maybe from the LastName field?
>
> This was written in Access 2007, but I am now using 2010.
>
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Fri Mar  8 10:49:09 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 11:49:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 2007 Word merge
In-Reply-To: <201303081620.r28GKigp022934@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <5139FBBC.3020608@gmail.com> <01d401ce1c11$8bd818e0$a3884aa0$@net>
	<513A0D10.80003@gmail.com>
	<201303081620.r28GKigp022934@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <513A1685.5040302@gmail.com>

Thanks Randall,

Hmm.... as the document opens it tells me it is going to "Select * from 'Qry_Export Final$'.  There 
is a qry_Export Final in my application and when I run that it returns a set of 178 records. The 
document opens and displays real data, 4 records worth.  The query data is not what is displayed in 
the word document however.

If I say yes, the document opens and it looks like the document contains whatever was last merged in 
which is a major security breach since this is a loan document and I am not supposed to see the 
actual names and stuff (I get jumbled up names and such).  I see (can step through) 4 records, all 
neatly merged into the three pages of the document.

If I say no... it opens this "select data source" dialog which expects me to find the data source, 
which I haven't a clue where this data is coming from.

My understanding is that my program is exporting spreadsheets to the same location as the app, which 
it does, which are supposed to be used for the merge, which they are not.  The data is coming from 
somewhere else, said place unknown.

Word's suckage rating is approaching 99% on this one.  I just need to find out where the 4 records 
that the document is actually displaying are coming from.

I am not finding a way, whether I say yes or no to that initial question, to see a property sheet 
for a field, nor anything else which says "I am getting my data from here...".

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 3/8/2013 11:20 AM, RANDALL R ANTHONY wrote:
> John,
> You should be able to open the document and right click a field(?) and click on properties.  When the properties form is displayed the Bookmark should identify where your program is getting the data.
>


From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Mar  8 11:10:37 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 18:10:37 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT Lync ( was: linking Issue)
Message-ID: <00e101ce1c1f$dae18620$90a49260$@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Yes, Lync is Microsoft's unified communications server:

lync.microsoft.com

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John Clark
Sendt: 8. marts 2013 15:31
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Re-linking Issue

No, not so far. This is MS correct? We are not currently doing any Microsoft. 
 
What we have now is a very small...less than 50 devices...Cisco environment. Actually, since about a year ago, we through up another small, separate Cisco system as well...I have nothing to do w/the latter one. 
 
We are not looking at converting the entire county govt to a new IPT system. We're looking at Cisco, Avaya, ShoreTel, and Mitel...I might have even forgotten a couple. I am quite open, but some of the powers that be...particularly my own boss...seem quite set on sticking w/Cisco.
I like Cisco switches, but I'm not completely sold on them for telephone...much more expensive and complex than it needs to be. I personally like what MiTel and ShoreTel are showing us...and I was dead set against ShoreTel...but this is one of MY personal assets; I tend to remain open-minded. 

>>> "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> 3/6/2013 8:56 AM >>>
Hi John

Would that include Lync?

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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Sendt: 6. marts 2013 14:06
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Re-linking Issue

...I'm working w/other projects such as IP Telephony. 



From RRANTHON at sentara.com  Fri Mar  8 12:26:25 2013
From: RRANTHON at sentara.com (RANDALL R ANTHONY)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 18:26:25 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] 2007 Word merge
In-Reply-To: <513A1685.5040302@gmail.com>
References: <5139FBBC.3020608@gmail.com>
	<01d401ce1c11$8bd818e0$a3884aa0$@net>	<513A0D10.80003@gmail.com>
	<201303081620.r28GKigp022934@databaseadvisors.com>
	<513A1685.5040302@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201303081826.r28IQZ5q023254@databaseadvisors.com>

John,
I've little experience with Word docs other than populating data from a VB or C# app.  However, I looked around a little bit and found this, this may get you going...
http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/how-to-create-a-word-2007-macro.html


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 11:49 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 Word merge

Thanks Randall,

Hmm.... as the document opens it tells me it is going to "Select * from 'Qry_Export Final$'.  There is a qry_Export Final in my application and when I run that it returns a set of 178 records. The document opens and displays real data, 4 records worth.  The query data is not what is displayed in the word document however.

If I say yes, the document opens and it looks like the document contains whatever was last merged in which is a major security breach since this is a loan document and I am not supposed to see the actual names and stuff (I get jumbled up names and such).  I see (can step through) 4 records, all neatly merged into the three pages of the document.

If I say no... it opens this "select data source" dialog which expects me to find the data source, which I haven't a clue where this data is coming from.

My understanding is that my program is exporting spreadsheets to the same location as the app, which it does, which are supposed to be used for the merge, which they are not.  The data is coming from somewhere else, said place unknown.

Word's suckage rating is approaching 99% on this one.  I just need to find out where the 4 records that the document is actually displaying are coming from.

I am not finding a way, whether I say yes or no to that initial question, to see a property sheet for a field, nor anything else which says "I am getting my data from here...".

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 3/8/2013 11:20 AM, RANDALL R ANTHONY wrote:
> John,
> You should be able to open the document and right click a field(?) and click on properties.  When the properties form is displayed the Bookmark should identify where your program is getting the data.
>

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From ralphb at cwgsy.net  Fri Mar  8 13:57:29 2013
From: ralphb at cwgsy.net (Ralph Bryce)
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 19:57:29 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] 2007 Word merge
In-Reply-To: <5139FBBC.3020608@gmail.com>
References: <5139FBBC.3020608@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201303081957.r28JvZ2M023499@databaseadvisors.com>


Open your main document (containing all the fields, etc.)

 From the Mailings ribbon click the Edit Recipient List button

The Mail Merge Recipients dialog contains the Data Source.

HTH

At 14:54 08/03/2013, you wrote:
>I have an existing Word document that with fields defined etc which 
>when I open it tries to pull data.  My problem is I have no clue 
>where the data is supposed to be, and I cannot figure out how to 
>tell inside of the word document where /it/ thinks the data is coming from.
>
>So (step by step) how do I get to the properties of the word 
>document that says what the data source is?  Office 2007.
>
>This whole 'data source' thing is something I have never understood 
>very well.  8(
>
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From rbgajewski at roadrunner.com  Fri Mar  8 22:05:09 2013
From: rbgajewski at roadrunner.com (Bob Gajewski)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 23:05:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 2007 Word merge
In-Reply-To: <201303081957.r28JvZ2M023499@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <5139FBBC.3020608@gmail.com>
	<201303081957.r28JvZ2M023499@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <B6A323B989E74D6DAD23638E873D70AB@7B440585K>

John

I'm not sure if this helps, but I have two functions - one for creating and
printing a certificate from Access using a Word document as the template,
and another for creating and emailing the certificate.

I use command buttons on the form to fire the functions.

Bob Gajewski

=====
Private Sub cmdPrintCertificate_Click()
Dim Msg, Response
If StudentCourseCompleted = False Then
    Msg = "The student has not completed the course." & vbCrLf & vbCrLf &
"The certificate cannot be printed."
    Response = MsgBox(Msg, vbOKOnly + vbCritical + vbDefaultButton1)
    Exit Sub
    Msg = ""
End If
If StudentCourseEndDate > Date Then
    Msg = "The course has not been completed (Course End Date = '" &
StudentCourseEndDate & "')." & vbCrLf & vbCrLf & "Do you still want to print
the certificate?"
    Response = MsgBox(Msg, vbYesNo + vbQuestion + vbDefaultButton2)
    If Response = vbNo Then
    Exit Sub
    End If
    Msg = ""
End If
Dim CourseDays As String
If StudentCourseStartDate = StudentCourseEndDate Then
    CourseDays = "S"
Else
    CourseDays = "M"
End If
Call PrintCertificate(CourseID.Column(1) & CourseDays,
Trim(StudentFullNameFMLS), Format(StudentCourseStartDate, "mmmm d, yyyy"),
Format(StudentCourseEndDate, "mmmm d, yyyy"), Trim(InstructorFullNameFMLS))
End Sub


Private Sub cmdEmailCertificate_Click()
Dim Msg, Response
If StudentCourseCompleted = False Then
    Msg = "The student has not completed the course." & vbCrLf & vbCrLf &
"The certificate cannot be prnted."
    Response = MsgBox(Msg, vbOKOnly + vbCritical + vbDefaultButton1)
    Exit Sub
    Msg = ""
End If
If StudentCourseEndDate > Date Then
    Msg = "The course has not been completed (Course End Date = '" &
StudentCourseEndDate & "')." & vbCrLf & vbCrLf & "Do you still want to print
the certificate?"
    Response = MsgBox(Msg, vbYesNo + vbQuestion + vbDefaultButton2)
    If Response = vbNo Then
    Exit Sub
    End If
    Msg = ""
End If
Dim CourseDays As String
If StudentCourseStartDate = StudentCourseEndDate Then
    CourseDays = "S"
Else
    CourseDays = "M"
End If
Call EmailCertificate(CourseID.Column(1) & CourseDays,
Trim(StudentFullNameFMLS), Format(StudentCourseStartDate, "mmmm d, yyyy"),
Format(StudentCourseEndDate, "mmmm d, yyyy"), Trim(InstructorFullNameFMLS),
CourseID.Column(2), StudentMailTo)
End Sub


====


Function PrintCertificate(varCourseCode, varStudentFullNameFMLS,
varCourseStartDate, varCourseEndDate, varInstructorFullNameFMLS)

On Error GoTo PrintCertificate_Err

' Start Microsoft Word
    Dim objWord As Object
    Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")

    Dim strCertificate As String
        strCertificate = "C:\Users\xxx\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Templates\"
& varCourseCode & ".dot"
        objWord.Documents.Open strCertificate
        objWord.Visible = True

With objWord
' Move to each bookmark and insert text from the form.
    .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("CourseCode").Select
    .Selection.Text = CStr(varCourseCode)
    .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("StudentFullNameFMLS").Select
    .Selection.Text = CStr(varStudentFullNameFMLS)
    If Not varCourseStartDate = varCourseEndDate Then
        .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("CourseStartDate").Select
        .Selection.Text = CStr(varCourseStartDate)
    End If
    .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("CourseEndDate").Select
    .Selection.Text = CStr(varCourseEndDate)
    .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("InstructorFullNameFMLS").Select
    .Selection.Text = CStr(varInstructorFullNameFMLS)
End With

' Print the document in the foreground so Microsoft Word will not close
until the document finishes printing.
    objWord.ActiveDocument.PrintOut
    Do While objWord.BackgroundPrintingStatus > 0
    Loop

' Save the document
    objWord.ActiveDocument.SaveAs FileName:="C:\Users\xxx\Documents\Pxxxx
Oxxxxxx Txxxxxxx Axxxxxx\Sxxxxxxxx Gxxxx Pxxxxxx\Certificates\" & _
        varStudentFullNameFMLS & "-" & varCourseCode & "-" &
Format(varCourseEndDate, "yyyymmdd") & ".doc"

' Close the document without saving changes.
    objWord.ActiveDocument.Close False

' Quit Microsoft Word and release the object variable.
    objWord.Quit
    Set objWord = Nothing

Exit Function

PrintCertificate_Err:
' If a field on the form is empty, remove the bookmark text, and continue.
    If Err.Number = 94 Then
        objWord.Selection.Text = ""
        Resume Next
    Else
        MsgBox "Error: (" & Err.Number & ") " & Err.Description, vbCritical
    End If

End Function

====

Function EmailCertificate(varCourseCode, varStudentFullNameFMLS,
varCourseStartDate, varCourseEndDate, varInstructorFullNameFMLS,
varCourseName, varStudentMailTo)

On Error GoTo EmailCertificate_Err

' Start Microsoft Word
    Dim objWord As Object
    Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")

    Dim strCertificate As String
        strCertificate = "C:\Users\xxx\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Templates\"
& varCourseCode & ".dot"
        objWord.Documents.Open strCertificate
        objWord.Visible = True

With objWord
' Move to each bookmark and insert text from the form.
    .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("CourseCode").Select
    .Selection.Text = CStr(varCourseCode)
    .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("StudentFullNameFMLS").Select
    .Selection.Text = CStr(varStudentFullNameFMLS)
    If Not varCourseStartDate = varCourseEndDate Then
        .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("CourseStartDate").Select
        .Selection.Text = CStr(varCourseStartDate)
    End If
    .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("CourseEndDate").Select
    .Selection.Text = CStr(varCourseEndDate)
    .ActiveDocument.Bookmarks("InstructorFullNameFMLS").Select
    .Selection.Text = CStr(varInstructorFullNameFMLS)
End With

' Save the document
    Dim varFileName As String
        varFileName = "C:\Users\xxx\Documents\Pxxxx Oxxxxxx Txxxxxxx
Axxxxxx\Sxxxxxxxx Gxxxx Pxxxxxx\Certificates\" & _
            varStudentFullNameFMLS & "-" & varCourseCode & "-" &
Format(varCourseEndDate, "yyyymmdd") & ".doc"
    objWord.ActiveDocument.SaveAs FileName:=varFileName

' Send the document by email
    Dim bStarted As Boolean
    Dim oOutlookApp As Object
    Dim oItem As Object
    On Error Resume Next
    
    If Len(objWord.ActiveDocument.Path) = 0 Then 'Document has not been
saved
         objWord.ActiveDocument.Save 'so save it
    End If
    
    'see if Outlook is running and if so turn your attention there
    Set oOutlookApp = GetObject(, "Outlook.Application")
    If Err <> 0 Then 'Outlook isn't running
         'So fire it up
         Set oOutlookApp = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
         bStarted = True
         oOutlookApp.Visible = True
    End If

    'Open a new e-mail message
    Set oItem = oOutlookApp.CreateItem(0)
    With oItem
        .To = varStudentMailTo
        .Subject = "Training Certificate"
        .Body = "Attached is your training certificate for the " & _
            varCourseName & " that you completed on " &
Format(varCourseEndDate, "mmmm d, yyyy") & "." & vbCrLf & _
            vbCrLf & "Pxxxx Oxxxxxx Txxxxxxx Axxxxxx" & _
            vbCrLf & "FirstName LastName, Training Director" & _
            vbCrLf & "Email: director at domain.com" & _
            vbCrLf & "Phone: (xxx) xxx-xxxx"
        .Attachments.Add varFileName
        .ReadReceiptRequested = True
        .Send
    End With

' If the macro started Outlook, stop it again.
    If bStarted Then
        ' Send/receive all emails before closing Outlook
            Dim objCB As Object, msoControlButton As CommandButton
                On Error Resume Next
            Set objCB =
oOutlookApp.Application.ActiveExplorer.CommandBar.FindControl(msoControlButt
on, 5577)
                objCB.Execute
            Set objCB = Nothing
            ' oOutlookApp.Application.Wait Now + TimeSerial(0, 0, 30)
         oOutlookApp.Quit
    End If
' Clean up
    Set oItem = Nothing
    Set oOutlookApp = Nothing

' Close the document without saving changes.
        objWord.ActiveDocument.Close False

' Quit Microsoft Word and release the object variable.
        objWord.Quit
    Set objWord = Nothing

Exit Function

EmailCertificate_Err:
' If a field on the form is empty, remove the bookmark text, and continue.
    If Err.Number = 94 Then
        objWord.Selection.Text = ""
        Resume Next
    Else
        MsgBox "Error: (" & Err.Number & ") " & Err.Description, vbCritical
    End If

End Function



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ralph Bryce
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 14:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 Word merge


Open your main document (containing all the fields, etc.)

 From the Mailings ribbon click the Edit Recipient List button

The Mail Merge Recipients dialog contains the Data Source.

HTH

At 14:54 08/03/2013, you wrote:
>I have an existing Word document that with fields defined etc which 
>when I open it tries to pull data.  My problem is I have no clue where 
>the data is supposed to be, and I cannot figure out how to tell inside 
>of the word document where /it/ thinks the data is coming from.
>
>So (step by step) how do I get to the properties of the word document 
>that says what the data source is?  Office 2007.
>
>This whole 'data source' thing is something I have never understood 
>very well.  8(
>
>--
>John W. Colby
>
>Reality is what refuses to go away
>when you do not believe in it
>
>--
>AccessD mailing list
>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

--
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Mar  8 22:06:35 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 23:06:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MZ Tools question
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iLEnMett17RL3AS2COu7J80xL6Tp_qhTn8SNh62TTt1A@mail.gmail.com>

I just ran the MZTools App-Statistics module on a huge app and it
documented everything beautifully and quickly, too, except for the last
column of the ourput, called Controls. It contains 0 for every single
object in the app, including forms and reports. I don't get it. Is it a bug
in the Tools, or did I miss a switch, or what?

Has anyone run this and got non-zero values in the Controls column? While I
wait for a reply, I'm going to run it again and see whether I missed a
checkbox or something.

-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From dbdoug at gmail.com  Fri Mar  8 22:59:50 2013
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 20:59:50 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] MZ Tools question
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iLEnMett17RL3AS2COu7J80xL6Tp_qhTn8SNh62TTt1A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1iLEnMett17RL3AS2COu7J80xL6Tp_qhTn8SNh62TTt1A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFa8NkjStwsGrpOUjUnEkBELx0xrMSpbzxTr_hh6LuBLji4yKQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Arthur:

Did you contact MZTools?  Every time (well, twice) I've emailed them, I've
had a quick response.

Doug



On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> I just ran the MZTools App-Statistics module on a huge app and it
> documented everything beautifully and quickly, too, except for the last
> column of the ourput, called Controls. It contains 0 for every single
> object in the app, including forms and reports. I don't get it. Is it a bug
> in the Tools, or did I miss a switch, or what?
>
> Has anyone run this and got non-zero values in the Controls column? While I
> wait for a reply, I'm going to run it again and see whether I missed a
> checkbox or something.
>
> --
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
>
> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>   -- Niels Bohr
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Mar  9 00:10:17 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 01:10:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MZ Tools question
In-Reply-To: <CAFa8NkjStwsGrpOUjUnEkBELx0xrMSpbzxTr_hh6LuBLji4yKQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1iLEnMett17RL3AS2COu7J80xL6Tp_qhTn8SNh62TTt1A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFa8NkjStwsGrpOUjUnEkBELx0xrMSpbzxTr_hh6LuBLji4yKQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gTkZbS8OiRnQ-MXnJrF+K0ayANCiJNKbRd3AxDqZEwOg@mail.gmail.com>

I'll that. Thanks!

A.


On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 11:59 PM, Doug Steele <dbdoug at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Arthur:
>
> Did you contact MZTools?  Every time (well, twice) I've emailed them, I've
> had a quick response.
>
> Doug
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > I just ran the MZTools App-Statistics module on a huge app and it
> > documented everything beautifully and quickly, too, except for the last
> > column of the ourput, called Controls. It contains 0 for every single
> > object in the app, including forms and reports. I don't get it. Is it a
> bug
> > in the Tools, or did I miss a switch, or what?
> >
> > Has anyone run this and got non-zero values in the Controls column?
> While I
> > wait for a reply, I'm going to run it again and see whether I missed a
> > checkbox or something.
> >
> > --
> > Arthur
> > Cell: 647.710.1314
> >
> > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
> >   -- Niels Bohr
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Mar  9 07:30:47 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 08:30:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MZ Tools question
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gTkZbS8OiRnQ-MXnJrF+K0ayANCiJNKbRd3AxDqZEwOg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1iLEnMett17RL3AS2COu7J80xL6Tp_qhTn8SNh62TTt1A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFa8NkjStwsGrpOUjUnEkBELx0xrMSpbzxTr_hh6LuBLji4yKQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1gTkZbS8OiRnQ-MXnJrF+K0ayANCiJNKbRd3AxDqZEwOg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1g79Ay711qWe7DSFGNaWWXv56K5y5C73ytoWuQmyTEoQA@mail.gmail.com>

You were right, Doug. I emailed them and got a reply in less than 7 hours.

For anyone curious about this, that column is there for VB6 forms etc.
Apparently they cannot get at the corresponding data. I'm not sure why that
is. I think I know how to do what I expected.

<air code>
for each form
    create a controls collection
    report its itemcount
next
</air code>

That could go further and report the count of each type of control, and
that might be useful as an appendix to the MZ stats report.

Maybe when I've done my chores today, I'll write that. It doesn't seem
difficult.

A.


On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 1:10 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> I'll that. Thanks!
>
> A.
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 11:59 PM, Doug Steele <dbdoug at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Arthur:
>>
>> Did you contact MZTools?  Every time (well, twice) I've emailed them, I've
>> had a quick response.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > I just ran the MZTools App-Statistics module on a huge app and it
>> > documented everything beautifully and quickly, too, except for the last
>> > column of the ourput, called Controls. It contains 0 for every single
>> > object in the app, including forms and reports. I don't get it. Is it a
>> bug
>> > in the Tools, or did I miss a switch, or what?
>> >
>> > Has anyone run this and got non-zero values in the Controls column?
>> While I
>> > wait for a reply, I'm going to run it again and see whether I missed a
>> > checkbox or something.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Arthur
>> > Cell: 647.710.1314
>> >
>> > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>> >   -- Niels Bohr
>> > --
>> > AccessD mailing list
>> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> >
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
>
> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>   -- Niels Bohr
>
>


-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Sat Mar  9 07:40:38 2013
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 08:40:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MZ Tools question
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1g79Ay711qWe7DSFGNaWWXv56K5y5C73ytoWuQmyTEoQA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1iLEnMett17RL3AS2COu7J80xL6Tp_qhTn8SNh62TTt1A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFa8NkjStwsGrpOUjUnEkBELx0xrMSpbzxTr_hh6LuBLji4yKQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1gTkZbS8OiRnQ-MXnJrF+K0ayANCiJNKbRd3AxDqZEwOg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1g79Ay711qWe7DSFGNaWWXv56K5y5C73ytoWuQmyTEoQA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAv3GVBmN=Hq=PAcf_d5Pzw7M7Hg-6riUmQ3PB+PjBoMXA@mail.gmail.com>

Arthur,
 I wrote one of those recently at
http://www.accessforums.net/access/list-all-control-names-all-forms-access-31409.html

(orange)

On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 8:30 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> You were right, Doug. I emailed them and got a reply in less than 7 hours.
>
> For anyone curious about this, that column is there for VB6 forms etc.
> Apparently they cannot get at the corresponding data. I'm not sure why that
> is. I think I know how to do what I expected.
>
> <air code>
> for each form
>     create a controls collection
>     report its itemcount
> next
> </air code>
>
> That could go further and report the count of each type of control, and
> that might be useful as an appendix to the MZ stats report.
>
> Maybe when I've done my chores today, I'll write that. It doesn't seem
> difficult.
>
> A.
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 1:10 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > I'll that. Thanks!
> >
> > A.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 11:59 PM, Doug Steele <dbdoug at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Arthur:
> >>
> >> Did you contact MZTools?  Every time (well, twice) I've emailed them,
> I've
> >> had a quick response.
> >>
> >> Doug
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com
> >> >wrote:
> >>
> >> > I just ran the MZTools App-Statistics module on a huge app and it
> >> > documented everything beautifully and quickly, too, except for the
> last
> >> > column of the ourput, called Controls. It contains 0 for every single
> >> > object in the app, including forms and reports. I don't get it. Is it
> a
> >> bug
> >> > in the Tools, or did I miss a switch, or what?
> >> >
> >> > Has anyone run this and got non-zero values in the Controls column?
> >> While I
> >> > wait for a reply, I'm going to run it again and see whether I missed a
> >> > checkbox or something.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Arthur
> >> > Cell: 647.710.1314
> >> >
> >> > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
> >> >   -- Niels Bohr
> >> > --
> >> > AccessD mailing list
> >> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >> >
> >> --
> >> AccessD mailing list
> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Arthur
> > Cell: 647.710.1314
> >
> > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
> >   -- Niels Bohr
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
>
> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>   -- Niels Bohr
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Mar  9 07:52:44 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 08:52:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MZ Tools question
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAv3GVBmN=Hq=PAcf_d5Pzw7M7Hg-6riUmQ3PB+PjBoMXA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1iLEnMett17RL3AS2COu7J80xL6Tp_qhTn8SNh62TTt1A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFa8NkjStwsGrpOUjUnEkBELx0xrMSpbzxTr_hh6LuBLji4yKQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1gTkZbS8OiRnQ-MXnJrF+K0ayANCiJNKbRd3AxDqZEwOg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1g79Ay711qWe7DSFGNaWWXv56K5y5C73ytoWuQmyTEoQA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKvidAv3GVBmN=Hq=PAcf_d5Pzw7M7Hg-6riUmQ3PB+PjBoMXA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gNOcebshujByugjGYyXiG9wO==UXGTd79Wcyqh4pBS8w@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Jack. I just grabbed it and shall plonk it in at once.

A.


On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 8:40 AM, jack drawbridge <jackandpat.d at gmail.com>wrote:

> Arthur,
>  I wrote one of those recently at
>
> http://www.accessforums.net/access/list-all-control-names-all-forms-access-31409.html
>
> (orange)
>
> On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 8:30 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > You were right, Doug. I emailed them and got a reply in less than 7
> hours.
> >
> > For anyone curious about this, that column is there for VB6 forms etc.
> > Apparently they cannot get at the corresponding data. I'm not sure why
> that
> > is. I think I know how to do what I expected.
> >
> > <air code>
> > for each form
> >     create a controls collection
> >     report its itemcount
> > next
> > </air code>
> >
> > That could go further and report the count of each type of control, and
> > that might be useful as an appendix to the MZ stats report.
> >
> > Maybe when I've done my chores today, I'll write that. It doesn't seem
> > difficult.
> >
> > A.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 1:10 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > I'll that. Thanks!
> > >
> > > A.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 11:59 PM, Doug Steele <dbdoug at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi Arthur:
> > >>
> > >> Did you contact MZTools?  Every time (well, twice) I've emailed them,
> > I've
> > >> had a quick response.
> > >>
> > >> Doug
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Arthur Fuller <
> fuller.artful at gmail.com
> > >> >wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > I just ran the MZTools App-Statistics module on a huge app and it
> > >> > documented everything beautifully and quickly, too, except for the
> > last
> > >> > column of the ourput, called Controls. It contains 0 for every
> single
> > >> > object in the app, including forms and reports. I don't get it. Is
> it
> > a
> > >> bug
> > >> > in the Tools, or did I miss a switch, or what?
> > >> >
> > >> > Has anyone run this and got non-zero values in the Controls column?
> > >> While I
> > >> > wait for a reply, I'm going to run it again and see whether I
> missed a
> > >> > checkbox or something.
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> > Arthur
> > >> > Cell: 647.710.1314
> > >> >
> > >> > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
> > >> >   -- Niels Bohr
> > >> > --
> > >> > AccessD mailing list
> > >> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >> >
> > >> --
> > >> AccessD mailing list
> > >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Arthur
> > > Cell: 647.710.1314
> > >
> > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
> > >   -- Niels Bohr
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Arthur
> > Cell: 647.710.1314
> >
> > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
> >   -- Niels Bohr
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Mar  9 14:34:19 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 15:34:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MZ Tools question
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1g79Ay711qWe7DSFGNaWWXv56K5y5C73ytoWuQmyTEoQA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1iLEnMett17RL3AS2COu7J80xL6Tp_qhTn8SNh62TTt1A@mail.gmail.com>	<CAFa8NkjStwsGrpOUjUnEkBELx0xrMSpbzxTr_hh6LuBLji4yKQ@mail.gmail.com>	<CAEPJO1gTkZbS8OiRnQ-MXnJrF+K0ayANCiJNKbRd3AxDqZEwOg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1g79Ay711qWe7DSFGNaWWXv56K5y5C73ytoWuQmyTEoQA@mail.gmail.com>
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You may need to loop through all documents in the forms container, open them
in design view before counting the objects. If you are doing this from a
running application, I kinda wonder what would happen if some of those forms
were already running. So I am not sure this is a routine I would encourage
be run while a database is running, but rather I would use a dictator
application to read from the target database what was necessary.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 8:31 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MZ Tools question

You were right, Doug. I emailed them and got a reply in less than 7 hours.

For anyone curious about this, that column is there for VB6 forms etc.
Apparently they cannot get at the corresponding data. I'm not sure why that
is. I think I know how to do what I expected.

<air code>
for each form
    create a controls collection
    report its itemcount
next
</air code>

That could go further and report the count of each type of control, and that
might be useful as an appendix to the MZ stats report.

Maybe when I've done my chores today, I'll write that. It doesn't seem
difficult.

A.


On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 1:10 AM, Arthur Fuller
<fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> I'll that. Thanks!
>
> A.
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 11:59 PM, Doug Steele <dbdoug at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Arthur:
>>
>> Did you contact MZTools?  Every time (well, twice) I've emailed them, 
>> I've had a quick response.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Arthur Fuller 
>> <fuller.artful at gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > I just ran the MZTools App-Statistics module on a huge app and it 
>> > documented everything beautifully and quickly, too, except for the 
>> > last column of the ourput, called Controls. It contains 0 for every 
>> > single object in the app, including forms and reports. I don't get 
>> > it. Is it a
>> bug
>> > in the Tools, or did I miss a switch, or what?
>> >
>> > Has anyone run this and got non-zero values in the Controls column?
>> While I
>> > wait for a reply, I'm going to run it again and see whether I 
>> > missed a checkbox or something.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Arthur
>> > Cell: 647.710.1314
>> >
>> > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>> >   -- Niels Bohr
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>
>
>
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>
> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>   -- Niels Bohr
>
>


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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Mar  9 14:36:13 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 15:36:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Connect Access app to MySQL using a connection string not
	a DSN
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1geaPj0qa4pZSw1RB8L7b7MzokB+GkT6JuKRH=JpeY0Cw@mail.gmail.com>

I have the string itself. I'm not sure how to use it. New connection object
and assign the string to it? Normally I've used DSNs to connect, but I need
to learn how to do it DSN-lessly.

TIA

-- 
Arthur

From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Sat Mar  9 15:01:50 2013
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 16:01:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Connect Access app to MySQL using a connection string
 not a DSN
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1geaPj0qa4pZSw1RB8L7b7MzokB+GkT6JuKRH=JpeY0Cw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1geaPj0qa4pZSw1RB8L7b7MzokB+GkT6JuKRH=JpeY0Cw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAtcJbC=gtk1foTvugC+=NCDV2edYuh5w9dw4qPK46Zgwg@mail.gmail.com>

Found this at http://kb.globalscape.com/KnowledgebaseArticle10063.aspx

*DSN-less connections to a MySQL database*

The following string demonstrates an example connection string for a MySQL
database:

Provider=MSDASQL;DRIVER={MySQL ODBC 3.51
Driver};SERVER=10.10.10.1;DATABASE=Example;UID=myusername;PWD=mypassword;

 *NOTES:*

   - Do not put any line breaks in your connection strings.
   - You must have MDAC version 2.7 or higher to use a DSN-less connection.



On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> I have the string itself. I'm not sure how to use it. New connection object
> and assign the string to it? Normally I've used DSNs to connect, but I need
> to learn how to do it DSN-lessly.
>
> TIA
>
> --
> Arthur
> --
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Sat Mar  9 15:05:07 2013
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2013 16:05:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Connect Access app to MySQL using a connection string
 not	a DSN
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1geaPj0qa4pZSw1RB8L7b7MzokB+GkT6JuKRH=JpeY0Cw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1geaPj0qa4pZSw1RB8L7b7MzokB+GkT6JuKRH=JpeY0Cw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7CC4CD21-1929-4D22-BB0F-BD58C180B704@verizon.net>

Yes,if ado.   If it's a linked table,   It's Odbc;   Followed by the connect string

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 9, 2013, at 3:36 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have the string itself. I'm not sure how to use it. New connection object
> and assign the string to it? Normally I've used DSNs to connect, but I need
> to learn how to do it DSN-lessly.
> 
> TIA
> 
> -- 
> Arthur
> -- 
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Sat Mar  9 15:07:59 2013
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2013 16:07:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Connect Access app to MySQL using a connection string
 not	a DSN
In-Reply-To: <7CC4CD21-1929-4D22-BB0F-BD58C180B704@verizon.net>
References: <CAEPJO1geaPj0qa4pZSw1RB8L7b7MzokB+GkT6JuKRH=JpeY0Cw@mail.gmail.com>
	<7CC4CD21-1929-4D22-BB0F-BD58C180B704@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <A95C3880-E934-4E13-8DAE-4BB60910B260@verizon.net>

In the tabledefs connect property

Darn phone!   Keys are too small LOL

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 9, 2013, at 4:05 PM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

> Yes,if ado.   If it's a linked table,   It's Odbc;   Followed by the connect string
> 
> Jim
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Mar 9, 2013, at 3:36 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I have the string itself. I'm not sure how to use it. New connection object
>> and assign the string to it? Normally I've used DSNs to connect, but I need
>> to learn how to do it DSN-lessly.
>> 
>> TIA
>> 
>> -- 
>> Arthur
>> -- 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Mar  9 16:04:29 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 08:04:29 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Connect Access app to MySQL using a connection string
	not a DSN
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1geaPj0qa4pZSw1RB8L7b7MzokB+GkT6JuKRH=JpeY0Cw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1geaPj0qa4pZSw1RB8L7b7MzokB+GkT6JuKRH=JpeY0Cw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <513BB1ED.9311.99DE68A9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

You can strip the following code down to a single
DoCmd.TransferDatabase......

I'll leave that as an exercise for the reader :-)


Const strMySQLConnect = "ODBC;.........

Function ConnectMySQL() As Long
Dim tdf As TableDef
For Each tdf In CurrentDb.TableDefs
    If Left$(tdf.Name, 3) = "tbl" Then
         renewlink tdf.Name, strMySQLConnect, False
    End If
Next
End Function

Function renewlink(tablename As String, datafile As String, AccessDb As Boolean) As Long
On Error Resume Next
DoCmd.DeleteObject acTable, tablename
On Error GoTo 0
Select Case AccessDb
Case True
DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "Microsoft Access", datafile, acTable, tablename, 
tablename, False
Case False
DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "ODBC Database", datafile, acTable, tablename, 
tablename, False
End Select
End Function

-- 
Stuart

On 9 Mar 2013 at 15:36, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> I have the string itself. I'm not sure how to use it. New connection object
> and assign the string to it? Normally I've used DSNs to connect, but I need
> to learn how to do it DSN-lessly.
> 
> TIA
> 
> -- 
> Arthur
> -- 
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Mar  9 17:52:17 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 18:52:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Connect Access app to MySQL using a connection
	string	not a DSN
In-Reply-To: <513BB1ED.9311.99DE68A9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CAEPJO1geaPj0qa4pZSw1RB8L7b7MzokB+GkT6JuKRH=JpeY0Cw@mail.gmail.com>
	<513BB1ED.9311.99DE68A9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
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Would it be a little safer

1) proving that the table is a linked table before deleting it
2) testing whether linkage works (ie, datafile is a valid path) before
deleting a table which might be working
     But which the user got the original path wrong

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 5:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connect Access app to MySQL using a connection string
not a DSN

You can strip the following code down to a single
DoCmd.TransferDatabase......

I'll leave that as an exercise for the reader :-)


Const strMySQLConnect = "ODBC;.........

Function ConnectMySQL() As Long
Dim tdf As TableDef
For Each tdf In CurrentDb.TableDefs
    If Left$(tdf.Name, 3) = "tbl" Then
         renewlink tdf.Name, strMySQLConnect, False
    End If
Next
End Function

Function renewlink(tablename As String, datafile As String, AccessDb As
Boolean) As Long On Error Resume Next DoCmd.DeleteObject acTable, tablename
On Error GoTo 0 Select Case AccessDb Case True DoCmd.TransferDatabase
acLink, "Microsoft Access", datafile, acTable, tablename, tablename, False
Case False DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "ODBC Database", datafile,
acTable, tablename, tablename, False End Select End Function

--
Stuart

On 9 Mar 2013 at 15:36, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> I have the string itself. I'm not sure how to use it. New connection 
> object and assign the string to it? Normally I've used DSNs to 
> connect, but I need to learn how to do it DSN-lessly.
> 
> TIA
> 
> --
> Arthur
> --
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Mar  9 18:52:09 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 10:52:09 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Connect Access app to MySQL using a connection string
	not a DSN
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References: <CAEPJO1geaPj0qa4pZSw1RB8L7b7MzokB+GkT6JuKRH=JpeY0Cw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<513BB1ED.9311.99DE68A9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAJC7pyoHq6BMh61i+gvurovCgAAAEAAAAPwODUdXo95PsVS7Q/ctTAcBAAAAAA==@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <513BD939.8866.9A77E700@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Assuming that they are possible problems in a particular case, then I would inculde check for 
them.

In this case, the code is just a couple relevant of snippets to show the technique.  It comes 
from an application where every table which starts with tbl is linked and the user never  has a 
chance to "get the original path wrong" since they never see the various CONST declarations 
which identify the network database and local Access ones which the application can swap 
between.


-- 
Stuart

On 9 Mar 2013 at 18:52, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote:

> Would it be a little safer
> 
> 1) proving that the table is a linked table before deleting it
> 2) testing whether linkage works (ie, datafile is a valid path) before
> deleting a table which might be working
>      But which the user got the original path wrong
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 5:04 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connect Access app to MySQL using a connection string
> not a DSN
> 
> You can strip the following code down to a single
> DoCmd.TransferDatabase......
> 
> I'll leave that as an exercise for the reader :-)
> 
> 
> Const strMySQLConnect = "ODBC;.........
> 
> Function ConnectMySQL() As Long
> Dim tdf As TableDef
> For Each tdf In CurrentDb.TableDefs
>     If Left$(tdf.Name, 3) = "tbl" Then
>          renewlink tdf.Name, strMySQLConnect, False
>     End If
> Next
> End Function
> 
> Function renewlink(tablename As String, datafile As String, AccessDb As
> Boolean) As Long On Error Resume Next DoCmd.DeleteObject acTable, tablename
> On Error GoTo 0 Select Case AccessDb Case True DoCmd.TransferDatabase
> acLink, "Microsoft Access", datafile, acTable, tablename, tablename, False
> Case False DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "ODBC Database", datafile,
> acTable, tablename, tablename, False End Select End Function
> 
> --
> Stuart
> 
> On 9 Mar 2013 at 15:36, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> 
> > I have the string itself. I'm not sure how to use it. New connection 
> > object and assign the string to it? Normally I've used DSNs to 
> > connect, but I need to learn how to do it DSN-lessly.
> > 
> > TIA
> > 
> > --
> > Arthur
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> 
> 
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Mar  9 19:13:03 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 20:13:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Connect Access app to MySQL using a connection string
 not a DSN
In-Reply-To: <513BD939.8866.9A77E700@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CAEPJO1geaPj0qa4pZSw1RB8L7b7MzokB+GkT6JuKRH=JpeY0Cw@mail.gmail.com>
	<513BB1ED.9311.99DE68A9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAJC7pyoHq6BMh61i+gvurovCgAAAEAAAAPwODUdXo95PsVS7Q/ctTAcBAAAAAA==@gmail.com>
	<513BD939.8866.9A77E700@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V7w9h1o4545=w35+vsOXegN_k1-DK1sBKz97yCgOX+eog@mail.gmail.com>

It was an admonition not meant as critique.
On Mar 9, 2013 7:54 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:

> Assuming that they are possible problems in a particular case, then I
> would inculde check for
> them.
>
> In this case, the code is just a couple relevant of snippets to show the
> technique.  It comes
> from an application where every table which starts with tbl is linked and
> the user never  has a
> chance to "get the original path wrong" since they never see the various
> CONST declarations
> which identify the network database and local Access ones which the
> application can swap
> between.
>
>
> --
> Stuart
>
> On 9 Mar 2013 at 18:52, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote:
>
> > Would it be a little safer
> >
> > 1) proving that the table is a linked table before deleting it
> > 2) testing whether linkage works (ie, datafile is a valid path) before
> > deleting a table which might be working
> >      But which the user got the original path wrong
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan
> > Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 5:04 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connect Access app to MySQL using a connection
> string
> > not a DSN
> >
> > You can strip the following code down to a single
> > DoCmd.TransferDatabase......
> >
> > I'll leave that as an exercise for the reader :-)
> >
> >
> > Const strMySQLConnect = "ODBC;.........
> >
> > Function ConnectMySQL() As Long
> > Dim tdf As TableDef
> > For Each tdf In CurrentDb.TableDefs
> >     If Left$(tdf.Name, 3) = "tbl" Then
> >          renewlink tdf.Name, strMySQLConnect, False
> >     End If
> > Next
> > End Function
> >
> > Function renewlink(tablename As String, datafile As String, AccessDb As
> > Boolean) As Long On Error Resume Next DoCmd.DeleteObject acTable,
> tablename
> > On Error GoTo 0 Select Case AccessDb Case True DoCmd.TransferDatabase
> > acLink, "Microsoft Access", datafile, acTable, tablename, tablename,
> False
> > Case False DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "ODBC Database", datafile,
> > acTable, tablename, tablename, False End Select End Function
> >
> > --
> > Stuart
> >
> > On 9 Mar 2013 at 15:36, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> >
> > > I have the string itself. I'm not sure how to use it. New connection
> > > object and assign the string to it? Normally I've used DSNs to
> > > connect, but I need to learn how to do it DSN-lessly.
> > >
> > > TIA
> > >
> > > --
> > > Arthur
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Mar 10 08:20:27 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 09:20:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Connect Access app to MySQL using a connection string
 not a DSN
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V7w9h1o4545=w35+vsOXegN_k1-DK1sBKz97yCgOX+eog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1geaPj0qa4pZSw1RB8L7b7MzokB+GkT6JuKRH=JpeY0Cw@mail.gmail.com>
	<513BB1ED.9311.99DE68A9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
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	<513BD939.8866.9A77E700@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAGuQ9V7w9h1o4545=w35+vsOXegN_k1-DK1sBKz97yCgOX+eog@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iNgvNQF4w7ykcAoBFnrckxOUTgvMn3JD+SrEd_+4jY3w@mail.gmail.com>

This thread reminds of another question I meant to ask. When walking the
tabledefs collection, how does one determine whether a table is linked or
local? I want to generate a list of each. There are something like 300
tables in the app, only about a dozen of which are local. But no special
naming convention was used to identify which are local, and walking the
list by hand is as exciting as watching paint dry.

A.


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Mar 10 08:32:32 2013
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 14:32:32 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Connect Access app to MySQL using a connection	string
	not a DSN
Message-ID: <s13c9993.037@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

You can run this Query for a list of the linked tables:

SELECT 
  MSysObjects.Name AS LocalName, 
  MSysObjects.ForeignName AS SourceName
FROM 
  MSysObjects
WHERE 
  MSysObjects.Type = 6;

/gustav


>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 10-03-13 14:20 >>>
This thread reminds of another question I meant to ask. When walking the
tabledefs collection, how does one determine whether a table is linked or
local? I want to generate a list of each. There are something like 300
tables in the app, only about a dozen of which are local. But no special
naming convention was used to identify which are local, and walking the
list by hand is as exciting as watching paint dry.

A.


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Mar 10 08:41:04 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 09:41:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Connect Access app to MySQL using a connection string
 not a DSN
In-Reply-To: <s13c9993.037@cactus.dk>
References: <s13c9993.037@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1g=-PLdQ8UZL3LeD2OrYLVf8YqoOz=umuz+g-P3tWwx_w@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Gustav. And just out of curiosity, what is the Type of a local
table?

A.


On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Arthur
>
> You can run this Query for a list of the linked tables:
>
> SELECT
>   MSysObjects.Name AS LocalName,
>   MSysObjects.ForeignName AS SourceName
> FROM
>   MSysObjects
> WHERE
>   MSysObjects.Type = 6;
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 10-03-13 14:20 >>>
> This thread reminds of another question I meant to ask. When walking the
> tabledefs collection, how does one determine whether a table is linked or
> local? I want to generate a list of each. There are something like 300
> tables in the app, only about a dozen of which are local. But no special
> naming convention was used to identify which are local, and walking the
> list by hand is as exciting as watching paint dry.
>
> A.
>
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Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Mar 10 08:54:30 2013
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 14:54:30 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Svar: Re: Connect Access app to MySQL using a	connection
	string not a DSN
Message-ID: <s13c9ebe.039@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

That is:

SELECT 
  MSysObjects.Name AS LocalName
FROM 
  MSysObjects
WHERE 
  MSysObjects.Type = 1 AND MSysObjects.Flags = 0;

/gustav


>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 10-03-13 14:41 >>>
Thanks, Gustav. And just out of curiosity, what is the Type of a local
table?

A.


On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Arthur
>
> You can run this Query for a list of the linked tables:
>
> SELECT
>   MSysObjects.Name AS LocalName,
>   MSysObjects.ForeignName AS SourceName
> FROM
>   MSysObjects
> WHERE
>   MSysObjects.Type = 6;
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 10-03-13 14:20 >>>
> This thread reminds of another question I meant to ask. When walking the
> tabledefs collection, how does one determine whether a table is linked or
> local? I want to generate a list of each. There are something like 300
> tables in the app, only about a dozen of which are local. But no special
> naming convention was used to identify which are local, and walking the
> list by hand is as exciting as watching paint dry.
>
> A.


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Mar 10 09:22:56 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 10:22:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Svar: Re: Connect Access app to MySQL using a
 connection string not a DSN
In-Reply-To: <s13c9ebe.039@cactus.dk>
References: <s13c9ebe.039@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gNxMvtdPSjdkRsxR2D5z90uLesm_8DjTHE=LZ5mP_P-Q@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks again, Gustav!


On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Arthur
>
> That is:
>
> SELECT
>   MSysObjects.Name AS LocalName
> FROM
>   MSysObjects
> WHERE
>   MSysObjects.Type = 1 AND MSysObjects.Flags = 0;
>
> /gustav
>
>

From edzedz at comcast.net  Sun Mar 10 10:57:05 2013
From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 09:57:05 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently for MsAccess
Message-ID: <CF623A6BACF445298B92220D3F67F33F@EDZ1>

 

 Question:

 

 While using Win7, how do you change the priority permanently for
MsAccess.exe ?

 

 Notes:

 

 I have a dual processor 3.7 gigabyte system using Windows7 Pro 64bit.

 

 This computer's main mission, its only mission, is to run an app written

 in Access-2003 32bit VBA several times per day quickly.

 

 What I have been doing to get the desired performance is do a
Ctrl-Control-Delete

 to start the Program-Manager.

 

 Then adjust that msAccess job's priority by hand.

 

 I been doing this by hand for the last year.

 

 Since I about to turn this over to another person it would most helpful

 to automate this priority changing process.

 

 By the way, I have noticed that when the Program-Manager starts up with

 it's priority already set to high.

 

 Thus that is a big clue such an action is possible. 

 

 I would like to do the same for MsAccess.exe program launches.

 

 Hopeing that there some Databaseadvisors.com  knowledge on this subject. 

 

 Any idea's on how to do that ?

 

 Thanks.

 

 Sincerely,

 Ed Zuris.

 edzedz at comcast.net

 

 


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sun Mar 10 11:31:10 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 12:31:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Connect Access app to MySQL using a
	connection	string	not a DSN
In-Reply-To: <s13c9993.037@cactus.dk>
References: <s13c9993.037@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAJC7pyoHq6BMh61i+gvurovCgAAAEAAAABGwyUqVAONJsp7hhic12qkBAAAAAA==@gmail.com>

Just to gild an already perfect lily, this is a double-method with a bit of
explanation

http://www.pcreview.co.uk/forums/check-if-table-linked-t3748757.html


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 9:33 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connect Access app to MySQL using a connection string
not a DSN

Hi Arthur

You can run this Query for a list of the linked tables:

SELECT
  MSysObjects.Name AS LocalName,
  MSysObjects.ForeignName AS SourceName
FROM
  MSysObjects
WHERE
  MSysObjects.Type = 6;

/gustav


>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 10-03-13 14:20 >>>
This thread reminds of another question I meant to ask. When walking the
tabledefs collection, how does one determine whether a table is linked or
local? I want to generate a list of each. There are something like 300
tables in the app, only about a dozen of which are local. But no special
naming convention was used to identify which are local, and walking the list
by hand is as exciting as watching paint dry.

A.

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Mar 10 12:42:57 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 13:42:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Senior Moments Galore today
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jY4Fqgs3ogHJRWkA_e8FPavDROcUGqy9yzk6jBuvdaOg@mail.gmail.com>

I built a bound form. I added a textbox to the form header, and I expected
this to get the focus upon opening the form, but instead the focus is going
to the first field on the form.

Easy enough to fix of course. Just set the focus in the OnOpen. But why do
I have to do that? I would have thought that the natural order would be
Header, Detail, Footer unless otherwise specified.

-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 10 12:48:49 2013
From: davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com (David A. Gibson)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 12:48:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Senior Moments Galore today
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jY4Fqgs3ogHJRWkA_e8FPavDROcUGqy9yzk6jBuvdaOg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jY4Fqgs3ogHJRWkA_e8FPavDROcUGqy9yzk6jBuvdaOg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00da01ce1db7$86559760$9300c620$@gmail.com>

My experience has been that focus and tab order is assigned in the order
that controls are added to the Form.

Sorry I cannot enlighten you as to why.

David Gibson

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 12:43 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Senior Moments Galore today

I built a bound form. I added a textbox to the form header, and I expected
this to get the focus upon opening the form, but instead the focus is going
to the first field on the form.

Easy enough to fix of course. Just set the focus in the OnOpen. But why do I
have to do that? I would have thought that the natural order would be
Header, Detail, Footer unless otherwise specified.

--
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Mar 10 13:02:29 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 11:02:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Senior Moments Galore today
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jY4Fqgs3ogHJRWkA_e8FPavDROcUGqy9yzk6jBuvdaOg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jY4Fqgs3ogHJRWkA_e8FPavDROcUGqy9yzk6jBuvdaOg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49CACC12F24542798E4EC47EDBB368DD@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Arthur:

I have no idea of which version of Access you are using so things in the
latest versions may be quite different...but, off the top, in the properties
of each field, on a form, there is a "tab index" property which is used to
set the focus order. (1, first field, 2, second field and so on...) ;-)

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 10:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Senior Moments Galore today

I built a bound form. I added a textbox to the form header, and I expected
this to get the focus upon opening the form, but instead the focus is going
to the first field on the form.

Easy enough to fix of course. Just set the focus in the OnOpen. But why do
I have to do that? I would have thought that the natural order would be
Header, Detail, Footer unless otherwise specified.

-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr
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From djkr at msn.com  Sun Mar 10 13:30:00 2013
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK (John) Robinson)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 18:30:00 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently for
	MsAccess
In-Reply-To: <CF623A6BACF445298B92220D3F67F33F@EDZ1>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP36199017CAA6A94200049F3D2E00@phx.gbl>

Hi Ed

Sorry I don't know the answer, but it must be possible, as in your observation of Task Manager.  Have you tried using
the 'DOS' START command?  I haven't, but it might be worth investigating.

I am curious about one thing in your setup, though.  If as I infer your application is not competing with anything for
processor time, how much difference does altering the priority make?

John


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Edward Zuris
Sent: 10 March 2013 15:57
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently for MsAccess

 Question:

 While using Win7, how do you change the priority permanently for MsAccess.exe ?

 Notes:

 I have a dual processor 3.7 gigabyte system using Windows7 Pro 64bit.

 This computer's main mission, its only mission, is to run an app written 
 in Access-2003 32bit VBA several times per day quickly.

 What I have been doing to get the desired performance is do a Ctrl-Control-Delete 
 to start the Program-Manager.

 Then adjust that msAccess job's priority by hand.

 I been doing this by hand for the last year.

 Since I about to turn this over to another person it would most helpful
 to automate this priority changing process.

 By the way, I have noticed that when the Program-Manager starts up with
 it's priority already set to high.

 Thus that is a big clue such an action is possible. 

 I would like to do the same for MsAccess.exe program launches.

 Hopeing that there some Databaseadvisors.com  knowledge on this subject. 

 Any idea's on how to do that ?

 Thanks.

 Sincerely,
 Ed Zuris.
 edzedz at comcast.net

 
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Sun Mar 10 14:24:52 2013
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 12:24:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] 2007 in a Virtual Box
In-Reply-To: <D03BAF416E4845AF91E999D08442FDA2@HAL9007>
References: <D03BAF416E4845AF91E999D08442FDA2@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_W=p_wf-16Mzjs7QsXsh4AmYwdN6qiuxJxY0B5KxV9pQ@mail.gmail.com>

You should be able to map the VM to your private network and copy from the
real desktop to the virtual one.

Charlotte

On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> Dear List:
>
> I'm running VM VirtualBox and set up a machine with Office 2007 for a test
> bed (to avoid that pesky install every time I want to switch Office
> versions).
>
> Now I want to copy some mdbs from my C drive to the VM but of course the VM
> doesn't see my HD.  I suppose I could copy to a USB and then off the usb
> from inside the VM but I'll bet there's an easier way.
>
> Is there?
>
> TIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/>
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
>
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From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk  Sun Mar 10 14:49:55 2013
From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 19:49:55 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently forMsAccess
References: <BLU0-SMTP36199017CAA6A94200049F3D2E00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4D56CDDB5B3F49EB833D742A6BC9964F@jamesc319792ae>

Create a link (sort of a shortcut type file)  .cmd file to initiate the 
process-
see the help in
Start
run
cmd
START /?

JimB

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "DJK (John) Robinson" <djkr at msn.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently 
forMsAccess


> Hi Ed
>
> Sorry I don't know the answer, but it must be possible, as in your 
> observation of Task Manager.  Have you tried using
> the 'DOS' START command?  I haven't, but it might be worth investigating.
>
> I am curious about one thing in your setup, though.  If as I infer your 
> application is not competing with anything for
> processor time, how much difference does altering the priority make?
>
> John
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Edward Zuris
> Sent: 10 March 2013 15:57
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently for MsAccess
>
> Question:
>
> While using Win7, how do you change the priority permanently for 
> MsAccess.exe ?
>
> Notes:
>
> I have a dual processor 3.7 gigabyte system using Windows7 Pro 64bit.
>
> This computer's main mission, its only mission, is to run an app written
> in Access-2003 32bit VBA several times per day quickly.
>
> What I have been doing to get the desired performance is do a 
> Ctrl-Control-Delete
> to start the Program-Manager.
>
> Then adjust that msAccess job's priority by hand.
>
> I been doing this by hand for the last year.
>
> Since I about to turn this over to another person it would most helpful
> to automate this priority changing process.
>
> By the way, I have noticed that when the Program-Manager starts up with
> it's priority already set to high.
>
> Thus that is a big clue such an action is possible.
>
> I would like to do the same for MsAccess.exe program launches.
>
> Hopeing that there some Databaseadvisors.com  knowledge on this subject.
>
> Any idea's on how to do that ?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Sincerely,
> Ed Zuris.
> edzedz at comcast.net
>
>
> -- 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Mar 10 17:06:16 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 15:06:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] 2007 in a Virtual Box
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met_W=p_wf-16Mzjs7QsXsh4AmYwdN6qiuxJxY0B5KxV9pQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D03BAF416E4845AF91E999D08442FDA2@HAL9007>
	<CAH+Met_W=p_wf-16Mzjs7QsXsh4AmYwdN6qiuxJxY0B5KxV9pQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1F891E5A448A4114A5F774EBC5056829@HAL9007>

Thanks Charlotte.  The list got this sorted out for me in short order.
Installed guest additions and mapped a drive to the shared folder.  Walla! 

R 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 12:25 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 in a Virtual Box

You should be able to map the VM to your private network and copy from the
real desktop to the virtual one.

Charlotte

On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> Dear List:
>
> I'm running VM VirtualBox and set up a machine with Office 2007 for a 
> test bed (to avoid that pesky install every time I want to switch 
> Office versions).
>
> Now I want to copy some mdbs from my C drive to the VM but of course 
> the VM doesn't see my HD.  I suppose I could copy to a USB and then 
> off the usb from inside the VM but I'll bet there's an easier way.
>
> Is there?
>
> TIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com 
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
>
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From djkr at msn.com  Sun Mar 10 17:14:18 2013
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK (John) Robinson)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 22:14:18 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently forMsAccess
In-Reply-To: <4D56CDDB5B3F49EB833D742A6BC9964F@jamesc319792ae>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP340736EC3D11CDC7AAC6022D2E00@phx.gbl>

Well, after a little experimentation, I found ...

In a command window,
	START /HIGH application.EXE
works just fine for things like notepad and paint, but not, alas for Word, Excel and Access.  So the theory was good,
but it doesn't work for Ed's purposes.

Anyone got any ideas why, or how to fix it?

John


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button
Sent: 10 March 2013 19:50
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently forMsAccess


Create a link (sort of a shortcut type file)  .cmd file to initiate the 
process-
see the help in
Start
run
cmd
START /?

JimB

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "DJK (John) Robinson" <djkr at msn.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently 
forMsAccess


> Hi Ed
>
> Sorry I don't know the answer, but it must be possible, as in your
> observation of Task Manager.  Have you tried using
> the 'DOS' START command?  I haven't, but it might be worth investigating.
>
> I am curious about one thing in your setup, though.  If as I infer 
> your
> application is not competing with anything for
> processor time, how much difference does altering the priority make?
>
> John
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Edward Zuris
> Sent: 10 March 2013 15:57
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently for MsAccess
>
> Question:
>
> While using Win7, how do you change the priority permanently for
> MsAccess.exe ?
>
> Notes:
>
> I have a dual processor 3.7 gigabyte system using Windows7 Pro 64bit.
>
> This computer's main mission, its only mission, is to run an app 
> written in Access-2003 32bit VBA several times per day quickly.
>
> What I have been doing to get the desired performance is do a
> Ctrl-Control-Delete
> to start the Program-Manager.
>
> Then adjust that msAccess job's priority by hand.
>
> I been doing this by hand for the last year.
>
> Since I about to turn this over to another person it would most 
> helpful to automate this priority changing process.
>
> By the way, I have noticed that when the Program-Manager starts up 
> with it's priority already set to high.
>
> Thus that is a big clue such an action is possible.
>
> I would like to do the same for MsAccess.exe program launches.
>
> Hopeing that there some Databaseadvisors.com  knowledge on this 
> subject.
>
> Any idea's on how to do that ?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Sincerely,
> Ed Zuris.
> edzedz at comcast.net
>
>
> --
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From djkr at msn.com  Sun Mar 10 17:17:23 2013
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK (John) Robinson)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 22:17:23 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently forMsAccess
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP340736EC3D11CDC7AAC6022D2E00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP380DFB30C76D8CFEEFF5B9AD2E00@phx.gbl>

... I should have added - that was on Win XP, where my email is;  I'll check on Win 7 Ult 64-bit later.

John


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK (John)
Robinson
Sent: 10 March 2013 22:14
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently forMsAccess


Well, after a little experimentation, I found ...

In a command window,
	START /HIGH application.EXE
works just fine for things like notepad and paint, but not, alas for Word, Excel and Access.  So the theory was good,
but it doesn't work for Ed's purposes.

Anyone got any ideas why, or how to fix it?

John


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button
Sent: 10 March 2013 19:50
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently forMsAccess


Create a link (sort of a shortcut type file)  .cmd file to initiate the 
process-
see the help in
Start
run
cmd
START /?

JimB

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "DJK (John) Robinson" <djkr at msn.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently 
forMsAccess


> Hi Ed
>
> Sorry I don't know the answer, but it must be possible, as in your 
> observation of Task Manager.  Have you tried using the 'DOS' START 
> command?  I haven't, but it might be worth investigating.
>
> I am curious about one thing in your setup, though.  If as I infer
> your
> application is not competing with anything for
> processor time, how much difference does altering the priority make?
>
> John
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Edward 
> Zuris
> Sent: 10 March 2013 15:57
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently for MsAccess
>
> Question:
>
> While using Win7, how do you change the priority permanently for 
> MsAccess.exe ?
>
> Notes:
>
> I have a dual processor 3.7 gigabyte system using Windows7 Pro 64bit.
>
> This computer's main mission, its only mission, is to run an app
> written in Access-2003 32bit VBA several times per day quickly.
>
> What I have been doing to get the desired performance is do a 
> Ctrl-Control-Delete to start the Program-Manager.
>
> Then adjust that msAccess job's priority by hand.
>
> I been doing this by hand for the last year.
>
> Since I about to turn this over to another person it would most
> helpful to automate this priority changing process.
>
> By the way, I have noticed that when the Program-Manager starts up
> with it's priority already set to high.
>
> Thus that is a big clue such an action is possible.
>
> I would like to do the same for MsAccess.exe program launches.
>
> Hopeing that there some Databaseadvisors.com  knowledge on this
> subject.
>
> Any idea's on how to do that ?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Sincerely,
> Ed Zuris.
> edzedz at comcast.net
>
>
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From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk  Sun Mar 10 18:10:02 2013
From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 23:10:02 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently forMsAccess
References: <BLU0-SMTP380DFB30C76D8CFEEFF5B9AD2E00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <53AF91407FE14CD0A40F4DB19AD02ACC@jamesc319792ae>

Be careful that you are referencing the actual .exe rather than the shortcut 
that the system sets up.

go to the partition and folder first (wherever your system has it installed)

The following gets me a low priority Access session in XP Pro



C:
CD "\Microsoft Office\Office14\"
START "titl" /LOW MSACCESS.EXE"

JimB

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "DJK (John) Robinson" <djkr at msn.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently 
forMsAccess


> ... I should have added - that was on Win XP, where my email is;  I'll 
> check on Win 7 Ult 64-bit later.
>
> John
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK (John)
> Robinson
> Sent: 10 March 2013 22:14
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently 
> forMsAccess
>
>
> Well, after a little experimentation, I found ...
>
> In a command window,
> START /HIGH application.EXE
> works just fine for things like notepad and paint, but not, alas for Word, 
> Excel and Access.  So the theory was good,
> but it doesn't work for Ed's purposes.
>
> Anyone got any ideas why, or how to fix it?
>
> John
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button
> Sent: 10 March 2013 19:50
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently 
> forMsAccess
>
>
> Create a link (sort of a shortcut type file)  .cmd file to initiate the
> process-
> see the help in
> Start
> run
> cmd
> START /?
>
> JimB
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "DJK (John) Robinson" <djkr at msn.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 6:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently
> forMsAccess
>
>
>> Hi Ed
>>
>> Sorry I don't know the answer, but it must be possible, as in your
>> observation of Task Manager.  Have you tried using the 'DOS' START
>> command?  I haven't, but it might be worth investigating.
>>
>> I am curious about one thing in your setup, though.  If as I infer
>> your
>> application is not competing with anything for
>> processor time, how much difference does altering the priority make?
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Edward
>> Zuris
>> Sent: 10 March 2013 15:57
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently for 
>> MsAccess
>>
>> Question:
>>
>> While using Win7, how do you change the priority permanently for
>> MsAccess.exe ?
>>
>> Notes:
>>
>> I have a dual processor 3.7 gigabyte system using Windows7 Pro 64bit.
>>
>> This computer's main mission, its only mission, is to run an app
>> written in Access-2003 32bit VBA several times per day quickly.
>>
>> What I have been doing to get the desired performance is do a
>> Ctrl-Control-Delete to start the Program-Manager.
>>
>> Then adjust that msAccess job's priority by hand.
>>
>> I been doing this by hand for the last year.
>>
>> Since I about to turn this over to another person it would most
>> helpful to automate this priority changing process.
>>
>> By the way, I have noticed that when the Program-Manager starts up
>> with it's priority already set to high.
>>
>> Thus that is a big clue such an action is possible.
>>
>> I would like to do the same for MsAccess.exe program launches.
>>
>> Hopeing that there some Databaseadvisors.com  knowledge on this
>> subject.
>>
>> Any idea's on how to do that ?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Ed Zuris.
>> edzedz at comcast.net
>>
>>
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From djkr at msn.com  Sun Mar 10 18:58:12 2013
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK (John) Robinson)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 23:58:12 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently forMsAccess
In-Reply-To: <53AF91407FE14CD0A40F4DB19AD02ACC@jamesc319792ae>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP3970051C282FB851FF0EF6DD2E00@phx.gbl>

Well, I thought that a .exe was a .exe, if you see what I mean ...

But it does work, for whatever reason;  though I think I'd prefer the CD if any to be to the database folder, with the
full path to the .exe specified in the START command:

CD <database folder path>
START /HIGH "<fullpath>\msaccess.exe" <database>.mdb


That's on WinXP.  Win7Ult64 behaves *almost* the same way (this is MS!), but you do need the supposedly optional 'title'
operand first, as given by James. Eg:

CD <database folder path>
START "title" /HIGH "<fullpath>\msaccess.exe" <database>.mdb


Ok, Ed?

John


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button
Sent: 10 March 2013 23:10
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently forMsAccess


Be careful that you are referencing the actual .exe rather than the shortcut 
that the system sets up.

go to the partition and folder first (wherever your system has it installed)

The following gets me a low priority Access session in XP Pro



C:
CD "\Microsoft Office\Office14\"
START "titl" /LOW MSACCESS.EXE"

JimB

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "DJK (John) Robinson" <djkr at msn.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently 
forMsAccess


> ... I should have added - that was on Win XP, where my email is;  I'll
> check on Win 7 Ult 64-bit later.
>
> John
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK (John)
> Robinson
> Sent: 10 March 2013 22:14
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently 
> forMsAccess
>
>
> Well, after a little experimentation, I found ...
>
> In a command window,
> START /HIGH application.EXE
> works just fine for things like notepad and paint, but not, alas for 
> Word,
> Excel and Access.  So the theory was good,
> but it doesn't work for Ed's purposes.
>
> Anyone got any ideas why, or how to fix it?
>
> John
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button
> Sent: 10 March 2013 19:50
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently 
> forMsAccess
>
>
> Create a link (sort of a shortcut type file)  .cmd file to initiate 
> the
> process-
> see the help in
> Start
> run
> cmd
> START /?
>
> JimB
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "DJK (John) Robinson" <djkr at msn.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 6:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently
> forMsAccess
>
>
>> Hi Ed
>>
>> Sorry I don't know the answer, but it must be possible, as in your 
>> observation of Task Manager.  Have you tried using the 'DOS' START 
>> command?  I haven't, but it might be worth investigating.
>>
>> I am curious about one thing in your setup, though.  If as I infer 
>> your application is not competing with anything for
>> processor time, how much difference does altering the priority make?
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Edward 
>> Zuris
>> Sent: 10 March 2013 15:57
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently for
>> MsAccess
>>
>> Question:
>>
>> While using Win7, how do you change the priority permanently for 
>> MsAccess.exe ?
>>
>> Notes:
>>
>> I have a dual processor 3.7 gigabyte system using Windows7 Pro 64bit.
>>
>> This computer's main mission, its only mission, is to run an app 
>> written in Access-2003 32bit VBA several times per day quickly.
>>
>> What I have been doing to get the desired performance is do a 
>> Ctrl-Control-Delete to start the Program-Manager.
>>
>> Then adjust that msAccess job's priority by hand.
>>
>> I been doing this by hand for the last year.
>>
>> Since I about to turn this over to another person it would most 
>> helpful to automate this priority changing process.
>>
>> By the way, I have noticed that when the Program-Manager starts up 
>> with it's priority already set to high.
>>
>> Thus that is a big clue such an action is possible.
>>
>> I would like to do the same for MsAccess.exe program launches.
>>
>> Hopeing that there some Databaseadvisors.com  knowledge on this 
>> subject.
>>
>> Any idea's on how to do that ?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Ed Zuris.
>> edzedz at comcast.net
>>
>>
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Sun Mar 10 21:15:36 2013
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 22:15:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently forMsAccess
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP3970051C282FB851FF0EF6DD2E00@phx.gbl>
References: <53AF91407FE14CD0A40F4DB19AD02ACC@jamesc319792ae>
	<BLU0-SMTP3970051C282FB851FF0EF6DD2E00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000401ce1dfe$52268d40$f673a7c0$@net>

There are utility programs out there that do this via configuration.
Prio is one, Priority Manager is another.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK (John) Robinson
> Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 7:58 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently
> forMsAccess
>
> Well, I thought that a .exe was a .exe, if you see what I mean ...
>
> But it does work, for whatever reason;  though I think I'd prefer the
> CD if any to be to the database folder, with the
> full path to the .exe specified in the START command:
>
> CD <database folder path>
> START /HIGH "<fullpath>\msaccess.exe" <database>.mdb
>
>
> That's on WinXP.  Win7Ult64 behaves *almost* the same way (this is
> MS!), but you do need the supposedly optional 'title'
> operand first, as given by James. Eg:
>
> CD <database folder path>
> START "title" /HIGH "<fullpath>\msaccess.exe" <database>.mdb
>
>
> Ok, Ed?
>
> John
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button
> Sent: 10 March 2013 23:10
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently
> forMsAccess
>
>
> Be careful that you are referencing the actual .exe rather than the
> shortcut
> that the system sets up.
>
> go to the partition and folder first (wherever your system has it
> installed)
>
> The following gets me a low priority Access session in XP Pro
>
>
>
> C:
> CD "\Microsoft Office\Office14\"
> START "titl" /LOW MSACCESS.EXE"
>
> JimB
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "DJK (John) Robinson" <djkr at msn.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 10:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently
> forMsAccess
>
>
> > ... I should have added - that was on Win XP, where my email is;
> I'll
> > check on Win 7 Ult 64-bit later.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK (John)
> > Robinson
> > Sent: 10 March 2013 22:14
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently
> > forMsAccess
> >
> >
> > Well, after a little experimentation, I found ...
> >
> > In a command window,
> > START /HIGH application.EXE
> > works just fine for things like notepad and paint, but not, alas for
> > Word,
> > Excel and Access.  So the theory was good,
> > but it doesn't work for Ed's purposes.
> >
> > Anyone got any ideas why, or how to fix it?
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James
> Button
> > Sent: 10 March 2013 19:50
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently
> > forMsAccess
> >
> >
> > Create a link (sort of a shortcut type file)  .cmd file to initiate
> > the
> > process-
> > see the help in
> > Start
> > run
> > cmd
> > START /?
> >
> > JimB
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "DJK (John) Robinson" <djkr at msn.com>
> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 6:30 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently
> > forMsAccess
> >
> >
> >> Hi Ed
> >>
> >> Sorry I don't know the answer, but it must be possible, as in your
> >> observation of Task Manager.  Have you tried using the 'DOS' START
> >> command?  I haven't, but it might be worth investigating.
> >>
> >> I am curious about one thing in your setup, though.  If as I infer
> >> your application is not competing with anything for
> >> processor time, how much difference does altering the priority make?
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Edward
> >> Zuris
> >> Sent: 10 March 2013 15:57
> >> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >> Subject: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently for
> >> MsAccess
> >>
> >> Question:
> >>
> >> While using Win7, how do you change the priority permanently for
> >> MsAccess.exe ?
> >>
> >> Notes:
> >>
> >> I have a dual processor 3.7 gigabyte system using Windows7 Pro
> 64bit.
> >>
> >> This computer's main mission, its only mission, is to run an app
> >> written in Access-2003 32bit VBA several times per day quickly.
> >>
> >> What I have been doing to get the desired performance is do a
> >> Ctrl-Control-Delete to start the Program-Manager.
> >>
> >> Then adjust that msAccess job's priority by hand.
> >>
> >> I been doing this by hand for the last year.
> >>
> >> Since I about to turn this over to another person it would most
> >> helpful to automate this priority changing process.
> >>
> >> By the way, I have noticed that when the Program-Manager starts up
> >> with it's priority already set to high.
> >>
> >> Thus that is a big clue such an action is possible.
> >>
> >> I would like to do the same for MsAccess.exe program launches.
> >>
> >> Hopeing that there some Databaseadvisors.com  knowledge on this
> >> subject.
> >>
> >> Any idea's on how to do that ?
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >> Ed Zuris.
> >> edzedz at comcast.net
> >>
> >>
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From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Mar 11 07:21:26 2013
From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 12:21:26 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently forMsAccess
References: <BLU0-SMTP3970051C282FB851FF0EF6DD2E00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <2D73EBAD9FA8403A9088CECD921AF669@jamesc319792ae>

Yep, probably better to set the path to the data folder, and use path on the 
.exe

and - as you indicate you can specify the database to be opened, maybe even 
pass on a script name to run the appropriate application - might need  to 
bound that in double ""qoutations""

Re the EXE - I add MSWORD, NOTEPAD and WORDPAD to the SEND-TO folder for 
users which is where I came across the problem with a  .EXE that isn't 
really the application.

As I like the ability to specifically name the started window - I never 
missed out the title, so wouldn't have found out it is a required option!

Still being learned!

JimB

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "DJK (John) Robinson" <djkr at msn.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 11:58 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently 
forMsAccess


> Well, I thought that a .exe was a .exe, if you see what I mean ...
>
> But it does work, for whatever reason;  though I think I'd prefer the CD 
> if any to be to the database folder, with the
> full path to the .exe specified in the START command:
>
> CD <database folder path>
> START /HIGH "<fullpath>\msaccess.exe" <database>.mdb
>
>
> That's on WinXP.  Win7Ult64 behaves *almost* the same way (this is MS!), 
> but you do need the supposedly optional 'title'
> operand first, as given by James. Eg:
>
> CD <database folder path>
> START "title" /HIGH "<fullpath>\msaccess.exe" <database>.mdb
>
>
> Ok, Ed?
>
> John
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button
> Sent: 10 March 2013 23:10
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently 
> forMsAccess
>
>
> Be careful that you are referencing the actual .exe rather than the 
> shortcut
> that the system sets up.
>
> go to the partition and folder first (wherever your system has it 
> installed)
>
> The following gets me a low priority Access session in XP Pro
>
>
>
> C:
> CD "\Microsoft Office\Office14\"
> START "titl" /LOW MSACCESS.EXE"
>
> JimB
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "DJK (John) Robinson" <djkr at msn.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 10:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently
> forMsAccess
>
>
>> ... I should have added - that was on Win XP, where my email is;  I'll
>> check on Win 7 Ult 64-bit later.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK (John)
>> Robinson
>> Sent: 10 March 2013 22:14
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently
>> forMsAccess
>>
>>
>> Well, after a little experimentation, I found ...
>>
>> In a command window,
>> START /HIGH application.EXE
>> works just fine for things like notepad and paint, but not, alas for
>> Word,
>> Excel and Access.  So the theory was good,
>> but it doesn't work for Ed's purposes.
>>
>> Anyone got any ideas why, or how to fix it?
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button
>> Sent: 10 March 2013 19:50
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently
>> forMsAccess
>>
>>
>> Create a link (sort of a shortcut type file)  .cmd file to initiate
>> the
>> process-
>> see the help in
>> Start
>> run
>> cmd
>> START /?
>>
>> JimB
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "DJK (John) Robinson" <djkr at msn.com>
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 6:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently
>> forMsAccess
>>
>>
>>> Hi Ed
>>>
>>> Sorry I don't know the answer, but it must be possible, as in your
>>> observation of Task Manager.  Have you tried using the 'DOS' START
>>> command?  I haven't, but it might be worth investigating.
>>>
>>> I am curious about one thing in your setup, though.  If as I infer
>>> your application is not competing with anything for
>>> processor time, how much difference does altering the priority make?
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Edward
>>> Zuris
>>> Sent: 10 March 2013 15:57
>>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>> Subject: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently for
>>> MsAccess
>>>
>>> Question:
>>>
>>> While using Win7, how do you change the priority permanently for
>>> MsAccess.exe ?
>>>
>>> Notes:
>>>
>>> I have a dual processor 3.7 gigabyte system using Windows7 Pro 64bit.
>>>
>>> This computer's main mission, its only mission, is to run an app
>>> written in Access-2003 32bit VBA several times per day quickly.
>>>
>>> What I have been doing to get the desired performance is do a
>>> Ctrl-Control-Delete to start the Program-Manager.
>>>
>>> Then adjust that msAccess job's priority by hand.
>>>
>>> I been doing this by hand for the last year.
>>>
>>> Since I about to turn this over to another person it would most
>>> helpful to automate this priority changing process.
>>>
>>> By the way, I have noticed that when the Program-Manager starts up
>>> with it's priority already set to high.
>>>
>>> Thus that is a big clue such an action is possible.
>>>
>>> I would like to do the same for MsAccess.exe program launches.
>>>
>>> Hopeing that there some Databaseadvisors.com  knowledge on this
>>> subject.
>>>
>>> Any idea's on how to do that ?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Ed Zuris.
>>> edzedz at comcast.net
>>>
>>>
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From edzedz at comcast.net  Mon Mar 11 11:06:55 2013
From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 10:06:55 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently forMsAccess
In-Reply-To: <000401ce1dfe$52268d40$f673a7c0$@net>
References: <53AF91407FE14CD0A40F4DB19AD02ACC@jamesc319792ae><BLU0-SMTP3970051C282FB851FF0EF6DD2E00@phx.gbl>
	<000401ce1dfe$52268d40$f673a7c0$@net>
Message-ID: <1A1E2909209B49E4A70BC48B1DA814E4@EDZ1>


 Thanks for all this information.

 The 'Askvg' URL has an answer that seems to be working.

 
http://www.askvg.com/how-to-permanently-set-process-priority-in-windows-task
-manager/


 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = 

 BTW, the moderator says this thread is getting too long,
 so I snipped off  eight of the:

    > AccessD mailing list
    > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
    > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
    > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 8:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently
forMsAccess

There are utility programs out there that do this via configuration.
Prio is one, Priority Manager is another.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK (John) Robinson
> Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 7:58 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently
> forMsAccess
>
> Well, I thought that a .exe was a .exe, if you see what I mean ...
>
> But it does work, for whatever reason;  though I think I'd prefer the
> CD if any to be to the database folder, with the
> full path to the .exe specified in the START command:
>
> CD <database folder path>
> START /HIGH "<fullpath>\msaccess.exe" <database>.mdb
>
>
> That's on WinXP.  Win7Ult64 behaves *almost* the same way (this is
> MS!), but you do need the supposedly optional 'title'
> operand first, as given by James. Eg:
>
> CD <database folder path>
> START "title" /HIGH "<fullpath>\msaccess.exe" <database>.mdb
>
>
> Ok, Ed?
>
> John
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button
> Sent: 10 March 2013 23:10
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently
> forMsAccess
>
>
> Be careful that you are referencing the actual .exe rather than the
> shortcut
> that the system sets up.
>
> go to the partition and folder first (wherever your system has it
> installed)
>
> The following gets me a low priority Access session in XP Pro
>
>
>
> C:
> CD "\Microsoft Office\Office14\"
> START "titl" /LOW MSACCESS.EXE"
>
> JimB
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "DJK (John) Robinson" <djkr at msn.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 10:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently
> forMsAccess
>
>
> > ... I should have added - that was on Win XP, where my email is;
> I'll
> > check on Win 7 Ult 64-bit later.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK (John)
> > Robinson
> > Sent: 10 March 2013 22:14
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently
> > forMsAccess
> >
> >
> > Well, after a little experimentation, I found ...
> >
> > In a command window,
> > START /HIGH application.EXE
> > works just fine for things like notepad and paint, but not, alas for
> > Word,
> > Excel and Access.  So the theory was good,
> > but it doesn't work for Ed's purposes.
> >
> > Anyone got any ideas why, or how to fix it?
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James
> Button
> > Sent: 10 March 2013 19:50
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently
> > forMsAccess
> >
> >
> > Create a link (sort of a shortcut type file)  .cmd file to initiate
> > the
> > process-
> > see the help in
> > Start
> > run
> > cmd
> > START /?
> >
> > JimB
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "DJK (John) Robinson" <djkr at msn.com>
> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 6:30 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently
> > forMsAccess
> >
> >
> >> Hi Ed
> >>
> >> Sorry I don't know the answer, but it must be possible, as in your
> >> observation of Task Manager.  Have you tried using the 'DOS' START
> >> command?  I haven't, but it might be worth investigating.
> >>
> >> I am curious about one thing in your setup, though.  If as I infer
> >> your application is not competing with anything for
> >> processor time, how much difference does altering the priority make?
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Edward
> >> Zuris
> >> Sent: 10 March 2013 15:57
> >> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >> Subject: [AccessD] How do you change the priority permanently for
> >> MsAccess
> >>
> >> Question:
> >>
> >> While using Win7, how do you change the priority permanently for
> >> MsAccess.exe ?
> >>
> >> Notes:
> >>
> >> I have a dual processor 3.7 gigabyte system using Windows7 Pro
> 64bit.
> >>
> >> This computer's main mission, its only mission, is to run an app
> >> written in Access-2003 32bit VBA several times per day quickly.
> >>
> >> What I have been doing to get the desired performance is do a
> >> Ctrl-Control-Delete to start the Program-Manager.
> >>
> >> Then adjust that msAccess job's priority by hand.
> >>
> >> I been doing this by hand for the last year.
> >>
> >> Since I about to turn this over to another person it would most
> >> helpful to automate this priority changing process.
> >>
> >> By the way, I have noticed that when the Program-Manager starts up
> >> with it's priority already set to high.
> >>
> >> Thus that is a big clue such an action is possible.
> >>
> >> I would like to do the same for MsAccess.exe program launches.
> >>
> >> Hopeing that there some Databaseadvisors.com  knowledge on this
> >> subject.
> >>
> >> Any idea's on how to do that ?
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >> Ed Zuris.
> >> edzedz at comcast.net



From dw-murphy at cox.net  Mon Mar 11 11:13:16 2013
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 09:13:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Connect Access app to MySQL using a connection string
	not a DSN
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iNgvNQF4w7ykcAoBFnrckxOUTgvMn3JD+SrEd_+4jY3w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1geaPj0qa4pZSw1RB8L7b7MzokB+GkT6JuKRH=JpeY0Cw@mail.gmail.com>	<513BB1ED.9311.99DE68A9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAJC7pyoHq6BMh61i+gvurovCgAAAEAAAAPwODUdXo95PsVS7Q/ctTAcBAAAAAA==@gmail.com>	<513BD939.8866.9A77E700@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<CAGuQ9V7w9h1o4545=w35+vsOXegN_k1-DK1sBKz97yCgOX+eog@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1iNgvNQF4w7ykcAoBFnrckxOUTgvMn3JD+SrEd_+4jY3w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004d01ce1e73$56828630$03879290$@cox.net>

Arthur,

I got this from the Access Developer Handbook many years ago.

     For Each td In CurrentDb.TableDefs
            If Not IsNull(td.Connect) And td.Connect <> "" Then
                td.Connect = dsn
                td.RefreshLink
           End If
       Next

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 6:20 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connect Access app to MySQL using a connection string
not a DSN

This thread reminds of another question I meant to ask. When walking the
tabledefs collection, how does one determine whether a table is linked or
local? I want to generate a list of each. There are something like 300
tables in the app, only about a dozen of which are local. But no special
naming convention was used to identify which are local, and walking the list
by hand is as exciting as watching paint dry.

A.

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Mar 11 11:21:29 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 12:21:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Connect Access app to MySQL using a connection string
 not a DSN
In-Reply-To: <004d01ce1e73$56828630$03879290$@cox.net>
References: <CAEPJO1geaPj0qa4pZSw1RB8L7b7MzokB+GkT6JuKRH=JpeY0Cw@mail.gmail.com>
	<513BB1ED.9311.99DE68A9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAJC7pyoHq6BMh61i+gvurovCgAAAEAAAAPwODUdXo95PsVS7Q/ctTAcBAAAAAA==@gmail.com>
	<513BD939.8866.9A77E700@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAGuQ9V7w9h1o4545=w35+vsOXegN_k1-DK1sBKz97yCgOX+eog@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1iNgvNQF4w7ykcAoBFnrckxOUTgvMn3JD+SrEd_+4jY3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<004d01ce1e73$56828630$03879290$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hrK=5AZ6NG=_r3e09rWmYq210WtAUWHXjF9KVoBRTsTw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Doug. I've got quite the collection now.

A/


On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Doug Murphy <dw-murphy at cox.net> wrote:

> Arthur,
>
> I got this from the Access Developer Handbook many years ago.
>
>      For Each td In CurrentDb.TableDefs
>             If Not IsNull(td.Connect) And td.Connect <> "" Then
>                 td.Connect = dsn
>                 td.RefreshLink
>            End If
>        Next
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 6:20 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connect Access app to MySQL using a connection
> string
> not a DSN
>
> This thread reminds of another question I meant to ask. When walking the
> tabledefs collection, how does one determine whether a table is linked or
> local? I want to generate a list of each. There are something like 300
> tables in the app, only about a dozen of which are local. But no special
> naming convention was used to identify which are local, and walking the
> list
> by hand is as exciting as watching paint dry.
>
> A.
>
> --
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Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Mar 11 13:12:57 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 14:12:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Any limits on what can be passed as an argument?
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1g57UPD_byAdWj8oYPdH5Ed0TGmnRPRgEf1jn79XM+W2g@mail.gmail.com>

I suppose that I could whip up a few test harnesses and discover this
myself, but hell, why bother in a list full of experts? :)

I'm wondering whether virtually *anything* can be passed as an argument.
Can I, for example, pass a QueryDef or TableDef?

I'm also wondering exactly what happens in the following (pseudo-code)
example.

<vba>
Dim qd as QueryDef
Dim qd1 as QueryDef
Set qd = QueryDefs("myDef")
Set qd1 = qd
... make some changes to qd, such as changing the sql property
</vba>

1. Are changes to qd relfected in qd1? (My guess is Yes, that it's just a
pointer).
2. If Yes, is there a method such as Clone which would NOT change qd1?
3. Can I pass qd around like any other parameter?

And finally, for reasons I won't go into, I declare a qd in the
Declarations of a form. In the FormOpen event, I retrieve the particular
QueryDef of interest and assign it to qd. In various other form events, I
manipulate qd. Then in the spirit of good housekeeping, I close it and set
it to Nothing. I've tried this code in both the Close and Unload events,
but in each place, Access tells me that there is no object qd. I'm not sure
where it's disappearing but it is. I thought that declaring qd at the top
would mean that it's alive until I close the form, but apparently I was
wrong. I don't really understand what is occurring.

Any ideas?

Oh, before I close this, if I assign qd to qd1 as above, and then attempt
to close qd, am I correct in assuming that this will fail, since there is a
reference to qd (qd1)?

Finally, if I can pass a QueryDef as a parameter, does this mean that I
could pass it to a static function of the standard get/set type, and
therefore that it would live until I specifically killed it?

(Which reminds me of something I heard in a Q&A session years ago:
Q: Do static functions continue to hold their values even if I turn the
computer off?
A: Well yes, but turning it back on wipes them out.

-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Mon Mar 11 13:55:11 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 22:55:11 +0400
Subject: [AccessD]
 =?utf-8?q?Any_limits_on_what_can_be_passed_as_an_argume?=
 =?utf-8?b?bnQ/?=
Message-ID: <1363028111.655192985@f49.mail.ru>

 Hi Arthur --

1. Yes
2. No
3. Yes - by Reference

Yes, ?you can pass QueryDef object instances (references) to the static functions and if you assign their references to the static functions' module level variables then they (QueryDef object instances) will be kept there till you "kill" them/quit MS Access app.

A query def var should be "alive" in a Form's Close and Unload events - your code is needed to be reviewed to find why you have them destroyed.

In general: QueryDef object instance is a COM-(MS Common Object Model) object instance and VB(A) runtime is a "COM-technology client" - so all the COM-technology rules are/should be applicable to the?behaviors?of VBA object instances, including custom classes instances.

-- Shamil


???????????, 11 ????? 2013, 14:12 -04:00 ?? Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>:
>I suppose that I could whip up a few test harnesses and discover this
>myself, but hell, why bother in a list full of experts? :)
>
>I'm wondering whether virtually *anything* can be passed as an argument.
>Can I, for example, pass a QueryDef or TableDef?
>
>I'm also wondering exactly what happens in the following (pseudo-code)
>example.
>
><vba>
>Dim qd as QueryDef
>Dim qd1 as QueryDef
>Set qd = QueryDefs("myDef")
>Set qd1 = qd
>... make some changes to qd, such as changing the sql property
></vba>
>
>1. Are changes to qd relfected in qd1? (My guess is Yes, that it's just a
>pointer).
>2. If Yes, is there a method such as Clone which would NOT change qd1?
>3. Can I pass qd around like any other parameter?
>
>And finally, for reasons I won't go into, I declare a qd in the
>Declarations of a form. In the FormOpen event, I retrieve the particular
>QueryDef of interest and assign it to qd. In various other form events, I
>manipulate qd. Then in the spirit of good housekeeping, I close it and set
>it to Nothing. I've tried this code in both the Close and Unload events,
>but in each place, Access tells me that there is no object qd. I'm not sure
>where it's disappearing but it is. I thought that declaring qd at the top
>would mean that it's alive until I close the form, but apparently I was
>wrong. I don't really understand what is occurring.
>
>Any ideas?
>
>Oh, before I close this, if I assign qd to qd1 as above, and then attempt
>to close qd, am I correct in assuming that this will fail, since there is a
>reference to qd (qd1)?
>
>Finally, if I can pass a QueryDef as a parameter, does this mean that I
>could pass it to a static function of the standard get/set type, and
>therefore that it would live until I specifically killed it?
>
>(Which reminds me of something I heard in a Q&A session years ago:
>Q: Do static functions continue to hold their values even if I turn the
>computer off?
>A: Well yes, but turning it back on wipes them out.
>
>-- 
>Arthur
>Cell: 647.710.1314
>
>Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>??-- Niels Bohr
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Mar 11 13:58:35 2013
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 19:58:35 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Source control Access
Message-ID: <s13e3791.059@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Did you check this out, MS Access SVN:

  http://accesssvn.codeplex.com/

MS Access SVN is a tool to integrate MS Access solutions with svn source control.

/gustav


> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John W Colby
> Sendt: 1. marts 2013 17:16
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: [AccessD] Source control Access
>
> Working for the Borg, I suddenly have a need to source control my 
> access projects.  Other than the data, everything in Access can be 
> easily dumped to text files, and from there pulled into a source 
> control package.  Before I go redesigning the wheel, I'm asking if 
> anyone out there has this functioning.  And no I will not be using SourceSafe.
>
> --
> John W. Colby


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Mon Mar 11 14:47:00 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 15:47:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Any limits on what can be passed as an argument?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1g57UPD_byAdWj8oYPdH5Ed0TGmnRPRgEf1jn79XM+W2g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1g57UPD_byAdWj8oYPdH5Ed0TGmnRPRgEf1jn79XM+W2g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <513E34B4.4090502@gmail.com>

I assume the question regards arguments to functions.

The answer is yes, but that they are passed as variants.  Variants can accept objects.  Object data 
type is just a pointer (more or less) the result of which is that the object reaches the other end 
but there is no intellisense available any more.

Having said that any thing that you can use in a dim statement, which includes dao.querydeff, 
dao.tabledef etc can be passed strongly referenced (with the datatype).  The only things which 
cannot be strongly referenced are custom classes and third party controls and the likes.

The answer to the second question is that since both query defs are stronbgly typed as a querydef 
object, when you do the set QD1 = QD what you are literally doing is setting a pointer (a memory 
reference) to a pointer (a memory reference).  Both pointers now point to the same area of memory, 
and the compiler understands that they are both a specific object type so they both point to exactly 
the same object.

In vba I do not know of any method that copies just the information in the properties and such as 
opposed to the pointer itself.  There is such a thing in .Net.

You can call any methods or set any properties of either pointer and the results are the same.  The 
object itself unloads from memory when the last pointer to the object is set to nothing. After that 
time any reference to either pointer will fail because all pointers to the object are set to nothing.

That said, even though both point to the same object, if you close the object in one, it is also 
closed in the other.  This does NOT unload the object from memory it just closes the querydef.  A 
closed querydef almost certainly will fail trying to see some (or maybe all) properties.

It sounds like either
1) You are setting both pointers to nothing and still trying to use one or the other
2) You are closing the object (via one or the other pointers) and then expecting to be able to use 
it from the other object.

I always do something like

On Error resume next
qdf.close
set qdf = nothing

If the querydef is already closed there is no failure because of the On Error resume next

You should ALWAYS be able to set a pointer to nothing, even if it is already nothing (without an 
error occurring).

In the end though you should try and track down why the code closes the object before you think it 
is closing.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 3/11/2013 2:12 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> I suppose that I could whip up a few test harnesses and discover this
> myself, but hell, why bother in a list full of experts? :)
>
> I'm wondering whether virtually *anything* can be passed as an argument.
> Can I, for example, pass a QueryDef or TableDef?
>
> I'm also wondering exactly what happens in the following (pseudo-code)
> example.
>
> <vba>
> Dim qd as QueryDef
> Dim qd1 as QueryDef
> Set qd = QueryDefs("myDef")
> Set qd1 = qd
> ... make some changes to qd, such as changing the sql property
> </vba>
>
> 1. Are changes to qd relfected in qd1? (My guess is Yes, that it's just a
> pointer).
> 2. If Yes, is there a method such as Clone which would NOT change qd1?
> 3. Can I pass qd around like any other parameter?
>
> And finally, for reasons I won't go into, I declare a qd in the
> Declarations of a form. In the FormOpen event, I retrieve the particular
> QueryDef of interest and assign it to qd. In various other form events, I
> manipulate qd. Then in the spirit of good housekeeping, I close it and set
> it to Nothing. I've tried this code in both the Close and Unload events,
> but in each place, Access tells me that there is no object qd. I'm not sure
> where it's disappearing but it is. I thought that declaring qd at the top
> would mean that it's alive until I close the form, but apparently I was
> wrong. I don't really understand what is occurring.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Oh, before I close this, if I assign qd to qd1 as above, and then attempt
> to close qd, am I correct in assuming that this will fail, since there is a
> reference to qd (qd1)?
>
> Finally, if I can pass a QueryDef as a parameter, does this mean that I
> could pass it to a static function of the standard get/set type, and
> therefore that it would live until I specifically killed it?
>
> (Which reminds me of something I heard in a Q&A session years ago:
> Q: Do static functions continue to hold their values even if I turn the
> computer off?
> A: Well yes, but turning it back on wipes them out.
>


From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Mon Mar 11 18:12:11 2013
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 23:12:11 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT Lync ( was: linking Issue)
In-Reply-To: <00e101ce1c1f$dae18620$90a49260$@cactus.dk>
References: <00e101ce1c1f$dae18620$90a49260$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5436EEC75@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

We use Lync a lot - it has been very good for us.  Soon it will also be integrated to some degree with Skype (sharing contacts and some functionality I believe - One day MS will probably merge Yammer, Skype and Lync into a single app).

It also has a 'presence' indicator for people so you can see who is available and who isn't.

It is handy in a work environment as you can share screens / apps between one or more users etc.  You can also IM individuals or groups and set up conference calls.  Your presence ties automatically with your outlook calendar, so if you are in a meeting or busy, you show as busy in Lync.

One very cool and freaky things is I can see/talk to Monica (my Wife) via Lync even though she is not part of our work network.  She is on Lync though through her own Office 365 setup for her work.  Yet I can add her to my Lync network, see her presence and we can talk etc - just like Skype.  I didn't know you could do that until recently - I thought Lync was limited to your own network contacts, but apparently not.  

Anyway - it might not be for you, but honestly, unless you had some sort of interest in doing VOIP or IP in general, why would you bother building something bespoke?

Lync
Skype
Or even Yammer

Would all do the job painlessly.  Indeed Skype would do it for minimal cost.

Anyway... Just my thoughts.

Cheers
Darryl.





-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Saturday, 9 March 2013 4:11 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Lync ( was: linking Issue)

Hi John

Yes, Lync is Microsoft's unified communications server:

lync.microsoft.com

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John Clark
Sendt: 8. marts 2013 15:31
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Re-linking Issue

No, not so far. This is MS correct? We are not currently doing any Microsoft. 
 
What we have now is a very small...less than 50 devices...Cisco environment. Actually, since about a year ago, we through up another small, separate Cisco system as well...I have nothing to do w/the latter one. 
 
We are not looking at converting the entire county govt to a new IPT system. We're looking at Cisco, Avaya, ShoreTel, and Mitel...I might have even forgotten a couple. I am quite open, but some of the powers that be...particularly my own boss...seem quite set on sticking w/Cisco.
I like Cisco switches, but I'm not completely sold on them for telephone...much more expensive and complex than it needs to be. I personally like what MiTel and ShoreTel are showing us...and I was dead set against ShoreTel...but this is one of MY personal assets; I tend to remain open-minded. 

>>> "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> 3/6/2013 8:56 AM >>>
Hi John

Would that include Lync?

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John Clark
Sendt: 6. marts 2013 14:06
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Re-linking Issue

...I'm working w/other projects such as IP Telephony. 


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From kismert at gmail.com  Mon Mar 11 21:18:26 2013
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 21:18:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Any limits on what can be passed as an argument?
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yXbLosE6Xt7yt14cgWuERRmkA+n3PctXNdBZOeJvSvmzw@mail.gmail.com>

> Arthur Fuller
> <vba>
> Dim qd as QueryDef
> Dim qd1 as QueryDef
> Set qd = QueryDefs("myDef")
> Set qd1 = qd
> ... make some changes to qd, such as changing the sql property
> </vba>
>

Arthur,

Going by your example, you have three references to the query:  qd = qd1 =
QueryDefs("myDef")

You can test this by calling ObjPtr() for each reference.

You can't create or destroy myDef by creating or destroying qd or qd1.  The
permanent reference in the QueryDefs collection prevents such manipulations.

Since the query is global, do this:

<vba>
With QueryDefs("myDef")
    ... make your changes
End With
</vba>

This has exactly the same effect as your example, but is much clearer and
simpler.

Pass the name as your argument.

-Ken

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Mar 11 21:43:01 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 22:43:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Any limits on what can be passed as an argument?
In-Reply-To: <513E34B4.4090502@gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1g57UPD_byAdWj8oYPdH5Ed0TGmnRPRgEf1jn79XM+W2g@mail.gmail.com>
	<513E34B4.4090502@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jwGLvkEJ3j2Sb6sEsXbjLeufoZ0igoF2vOZ91nQE-6Fw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the help, guys.


On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 3:47 PM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> I assume the question regards arguments to functions.
>
> The answer is yes, but that they are passed as variants.  Variants can
> accept objects.  Object data type is just a pointer (more or less) the
> result of which is that the object reaches the other end but there is no
> intellisense available any more.
>
> Having said that any thing that you can use in a dim statement, which
> includes dao.querydeff, dao.tabledef etc can be passed strongly referenced
> (with the datatype).  The only things which cannot be strongly referenced
> are custom classes and third party controls and the likes.
>
> The answer to the second question is that since both query defs are
> stronbgly typed as a querydef object, when you do the set QD1 = QD what you
> are literally doing is setting a pointer (a memory reference) to a pointer
> (a memory reference).  Both pointers now point to the same area of memory,
> and the compiler understands that they are both a specific object type so
> they both point to exactly the same object.
>
> In vba I do not know of any method that copies just the information in the
> properties and such as opposed to the pointer itself.  There is such a
> thing in .Net.
>
> You can call any methods or set any properties of either pointer and the
> results are the same.  The object itself unloads from memory when the last
> pointer to the object is set to nothing. After that time any reference to
> either pointer will fail because all pointers to the object are set to
> nothing.
>
> That said, even though both point to the same object, if you close the
> object in one, it is also closed in the other.  This does NOT unload the
> object from memory it just closes the querydef.  A closed querydef almost
> certainly will fail trying to see some (or maybe all) properties.
>
> It sounds like either
> 1) You are setting both pointers to nothing and still trying to use one or
> the other
> 2) You are closing the object (via one or the other pointers) and then
> expecting to be able to use it from the other object.
>
> I always do something like
>
> On Error resume next
> qdf.close
> set qdf = nothing
>
> If the querydef is already closed there is no failure because of the On
> Error resume next
>
> You should ALWAYS be able to set a pointer to nothing, even if it is
> already nothing (without an error occurring).
>
> In the end though you should try and track down why the code closes the
> object before you think it is closing.
>
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
>
> On 3/11/2013 2:12 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>
>> I suppose that I could whip up a few test harnesses and discover this
>> myself, but hell, why bother in a list full of experts? :)
>>
>> I'm wondering whether virtually *anything* can be passed as an argument.
>>
>> Can I, for example, pass a QueryDef or TableDef?
>>
>> I'm also wondering exactly what happens in the following (pseudo-code)
>> example.
>>
>> <vba>
>> Dim qd as QueryDef
>> Dim qd1 as QueryDef
>> Set qd = QueryDefs("myDef")
>> Set qd1 = qd
>> ... make some changes to qd, such as changing the sql property
>> </vba>
>>
>> 1. Are changes to qd relfected in qd1? (My guess is Yes, that it's just a
>> pointer).
>> 2. If Yes, is there a method such as Clone which would NOT change qd1?
>> 3. Can I pass qd around like any other parameter?
>>
>> And finally, for reasons I won't go into, I declare a qd in the
>> Declarations of a form. In the FormOpen event, I retrieve the particular
>> QueryDef of interest and assign it to qd. In various other form events, I
>> manipulate qd. Then in the spirit of good housekeeping, I close it and set
>> it to Nothing. I've tried this code in both the Close and Unload events,
>> but in each place, Access tells me that there is no object qd. I'm not
>> sure
>> where it's disappearing but it is. I thought that declaring qd at the top
>> would mean that it's alive until I close the form, but apparently I was
>> wrong. I don't really understand what is occurring.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> Oh, before I close this, if I assign qd to qd1 as above, and then attempt
>> to close qd, am I correct in assuming that this will fail, since there is
>> a
>> reference to qd (qd1)?
>>
>> Finally, if I can pass a QueryDef as a parameter, does this mean that I
>> could pass it to a static function of the standard get/set type, and
>> therefore that it would live until I specifically killed it?
>>
>> (Which reminds me of something I heard in a Q&A session years ago:
>> Q: Do static functions continue to hold their values even if I turn the
>> computer off?
>> A: Well yes, but turning it back on wipes them out.
>>
>>
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Mon Mar 11 21:55:01 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 22:55:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Any limits on what can be passed as an argument?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1g57UPD_byAdWj8oYPdH5Ed0TGmnRPRgEf1jn79XM+W2g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1g57UPD_byAdWj8oYPdH5Ed0TGmnRPRgEf1jn79XM+W2g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAJC7pyoHq6BMh61i+gvurovCgAAAEAAAAAKalW3TZAJBtInQ9K2nU+ABAAAAAA==@gmail.com>

Here is what I think is a pretty good example of this in a nutshell Arthur:

Sub testcol()
Dim c1 As Collection
Dim c2 As Collection
Set c1 = New Collection
Set c2 = c1
c1.Add "Bill"
Debug.Print "c1 count = " & c1.Count
Debug.Print "c2 count = " & c2.Count

AddAnItemToC1 c1
Debug.Print "c1 count = " & c1.Count
Debug.Print "c2 count = " & c2.Count

End Sub


Sub AddAnItemToC1(ByRef SomeCol As Collection)
SomeCol.Add "Benson"

End Sub


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 2:13 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Any limits on what can be passed as an argument?

I suppose that I could whip up a few test harnesses and discover this
myself, but hell, why bother in a list full of experts? :)

I'm wondering whether virtually *anything* can be passed as an argument.
Can I, for example, pass a QueryDef or TableDef?

I'm also wondering exactly what happens in the following (pseudo-code)
example.

<vba>
Dim qd as QueryDef
Dim qd1 as QueryDef
Set qd = QueryDefs("myDef")
Set qd1 = qd
... make some changes to qd, such as changing the sql property </vba>

1. Are changes to qd relfected in qd1? (My guess is Yes, that it's just a
pointer).
2. If Yes, is there a method such as Clone which would NOT change qd1?
3. Can I pass qd around like any other parameter?

And finally, for reasons I won't go into, I declare a qd in the Declarations
of a form. In the FormOpen event, I retrieve the particular QueryDef of
interest and assign it to qd. In various other form events, I manipulate qd.
Then in the spirit of good housekeeping, I close it and set it to Nothing.
I've tried this code in both the Close and Unload events, but in each place,
Access tells me that there is no object qd. I'm not sure where it's
disappearing but it is. I thought that declaring qd at the top would mean
that it's alive until I close the form, but apparently I was wrong. I don't
really understand what is occurring.

Any ideas?

Oh, before I close this, if I assign qd to qd1 as above, and then attempt to
close qd, am I correct in assuming that this will fail, since there is a
reference to qd (qd1)?

Finally, if I can pass a QueryDef as a parameter, does this mean that I
could pass it to a static function of the standard get/set type, and
therefore that it would live until I specifically killed it?

(Which reminds me of something I heard in a Q&A session years ago:
Q: Do static functions continue to hold their values even if I turn the
computer off?
A: Well yes, but turning it back on wipes them out.

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Mar 12 03:10:26 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 09:10:26 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Any limits on what can be passed as an argument?
Message-ID: <003801ce1ef9$0db30890$291919b0$@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

A DAO.Recordset has a Clone method.

/gustav

>2. If Yes, is there a method such as Clone which would NOT change qd1?


From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Mar 12 03:43:52 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 09:43:52 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT Lync ( was: linking Issue)
Message-ID: <005101ce1efd$b9a2b390$2ce81ab0$@cactus.dk>

Hi Darryl

Thanks for the info and tips.

We run an old Asterisk/Trixbox setup and I'm looking for ways to have it replaced with something that integrates with Exchange and, also, could take advantage of Skype and messaging. I'm not interested in VOIP or telephony as such.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Darryl Collins
Sendt: 12. marts 2013 00:12
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] OT Lync ( was: linking Issue)

We use Lync a lot - it has been very good for us.  Soon it will also be integrated to some degree with Skype (sharing contacts and some functionality I believe - One day MS will probably merge Yammer, Skype and Lync into a single app).

It also has a 'presence' indicator for people so you can see who is available and who isn't.

It is handy in a work environment as you can share screens / apps between one or more users etc.  You can also IM individuals or groups and set up conference calls.  Your presence ties automatically with your outlook calendar, so if you are in a meeting or busy, you show as busy in Lync.

One very cool and freaky things is I can see/talk to Monica (my Wife) via Lync even though she is not part of our work network.  She is on Lync though through her own Office 365 setup for her work.  Yet I can add her to my Lync network, see her presence and we can talk etc - just like Skype.  I didn't know you could do that until recently - I thought Lync was limited to your own network contacts, but apparently not.  

Anyway - it might not be for you, but honestly, unless you had some sort of interest in doing VOIP or IP in general, why would you bother building something bespoke?

Lync
Skype
Or even Yammer

Would all do the job painlessly.  Indeed Skype would do it for minimal cost.

Anyway... Just my thoughts.

Cheers
Darryl.





-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Saturday, 9 March 2013 4:11 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Lync ( was: linking Issue)

Hi John

Yes, Lync is Microsoft's unified communications server:

lync.microsoft.com

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John Clark
Sendt: 8. marts 2013 15:31
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Re-linking Issue

No, not so far. This is MS correct? We are not currently doing any Microsoft. 
 
What we have now is a very small...less than 50 devices...Cisco environment. Actually, since about a year ago, we through up another small, separate Cisco system as well...I have nothing to do w/the latter one. 
 
We are not looking at converting the entire county govt to a new IPT system. We're looking at Cisco, Avaya, ShoreTel, and Mitel...I might have even forgotten a couple. I am quite open, but some of the powers that be...particularly my own boss...seem quite set on sticking w/Cisco.
I like Cisco switches, but I'm not completely sold on them for telephone...much more expensive and complex than it needs to be. I personally like what MiTel and ShoreTel are showing us...and I was dead set against ShoreTel...but this is one of MY personal assets; I tend to remain open-minded. 

>>> "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> 3/6/2013 8:56 AM >>>
Hi John

Would that include Lync?

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John Clark
Sendt: 6. marts 2013 14:06
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Re-linking Issue

...I'm working w/other projects such as IP Telephony. 



From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Tue Mar 12 07:59:04 2013
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 07:59:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Lock Down PC
References: <201302222259.r1MMxnsG001576@databaseadvisors.com><CAMhYZWZJGptasOcQL3S8wMws25TP90+qNZaC3q=CMnxUZPJUxg@mail.gmail.com><B78CAD96E5BE47BE89A95D52FF9F6730@creativesystemdesigns.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3C3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><33734CB7D9204CC48E2896669004A914@XPS><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3C5@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><C3155ECFCCA44C70AD26311C41E36B51@XPS>
	<CAEPJO1jp7MAeV9O=iB0Xmfh76OOxFEDvs5MfTuNUiXqi82qarQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3DB@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

All,

We have just installed a PC in a production department that has never had a PC before.  This PC is running XP SP3.  

There is only one application on this PC.  This is an inquiry system built with Access 2007.

Because of where this PC is located, I have some concern that people in this department will "experiment" with other things on this PC.

Is anyone aware of a free or inexpensive tool that will enable us to lock down this PC so that the only thing available is the Access inquiry system?

Thanks,
Brad

From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Tue Mar 12 08:19:09 2013
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 09:19:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT Lync ( was: linking Issue)
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5436EEC75@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <00e101ce1c1f$dae18620$90a49260$@cactus.dk>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5436EEC75@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <513EF30D0200006B0002BC0A@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>

Unless I am missing something Lync IS VOIP...no?
 
We haven't had a full blown demo of the MS products, but I do hear very good things about them. There is a Gartner report out that basically puts them in the top 3-4 for VOIP solutions. Now, admittedly, there are factors taken into consideration for this report that skews it a bit, but overall the report is pretty good, and I think it is the best non-partial one I've looked at. 
 
All of the competitors now offer pretty much the same stuff, w/a few little caveats and such. This is why I personally am open to jumping away from Cisco. Yes, they are a good company, but if I can get the same features in a much cheaper, much easier managed system...what not?

>>> Darryl Collins <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> 3/11/2013 7:12 PM >>>
We use Lync a lot - it has been very good for us.  Soon it will also be integrated to some degree with Skype (sharing contacts and some functionality I believe - One day MS will probably merge Yammer, Skype and Lync into a single app).

It also has a 'presence' indicator for people so you can see who is available and who isn't.

It is handy in a work environment as you can share screens / apps between one or more users etc.  You can also IM individuals or groups and set up conference calls.  Your presence ties automatically with your outlook calendar, so if you are in a meeting or busy, you show as busy in Lync.

One very cool and freaky things is I can see/talk to Monica (my Wife) via Lync even though she is not part of our work network.  She is on Lync though through her own Office 365 setup for her work.  Yet I can add her to my Lync network, see her presence and we can talk etc - just like Skype.  I didn't know you could do that until recently - I thought Lync was limited to your own network contacts, but apparently not.  

Anyway - it might not be for you, but honestly, unless you had some sort of interest in doing VOIP or IP in general, why would you bother building something bespoke?

Lync
Skype
Or even Yammer

Would all do the job painlessly.  Indeed Skype would do it for minimal cost.

Anyway... Just my thoughts.

Cheers
Darryl.


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From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Tue Mar 12 08:19:32 2013
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 13:19:32 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Lock Down PC
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3DB@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <201302222259.r1MMxnsG001576@databaseadvisors.com>
	<CAMhYZWZJGptasOcQL3S8wMws25TP90+qNZaC3q=CMnxUZPJUxg@mail.gmail.com>
	<B78CAD96E5BE47BE89A95D52FF9F6730@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3C3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<33734CB7D9204CC48E2896669004A914@XPS>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3C5@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<C3155ECFCCA44C70AD26311C41E36B51@XPS>
	<CAEPJO1jp7MAeV9O=iB0Xmfh76OOxFEDvs5MfTuNUiXqi82qarQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3DB@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <CALGJE95xn+9snnggeogUkMgiQEtfEhV2qiZRTiU7xmqf-3c0nw@mail.gmail.com>

Brad,

I have never tried this before, but could you not set up a new user on that
PC, then turn the parental control on for that user and select them to only
be able to use the inquiry system ?

Paul

On 12 March 2013 12:59, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com> wrote:

> All,
>
> We have just installed a PC in a production department that has never had
> a PC before.  This PC is running XP SP3.
>
> There is only one application on this PC.  This is an inquiry system built
> with Access 2007.
>
> Because of where this PC is located, I have some concern that people in
> this department will "experiment" with other things on this PC.
>
> Is anyone aware of a free or inexpensive tool that will enable us to lock
> down this PC so that the only thing available is the Access inquiry system?
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


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From jbodin at sbor.com  Tue Mar 12 08:21:35 2013
From: jbodin at sbor.com (John Bodin)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 13:21:35 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Lock Down PC
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3DB@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <201302222259.r1MMxnsG001576@databaseadvisors.com><CAMhYZWZJGptasOcQL3S8wMws25TP90+qNZaC3q=CMnxUZPJUxg@mail.gmail.com><B78CAD96E5BE47BE89A95D52FF9F6730@creativesystemdesigns.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3C3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><33734CB7D9204CC48E2896669004A914@XPS><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3C5@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><C3155ECFCCA44C70AD26311C41E36B51@XPS>
	<CAEPJO1jp7MAeV9O=iB0Xmfh76OOxFEDvs5MfTuNUiXqi82qarQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3DB@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <f6f9b5fbf2b648eebc5fe51ac9a66a97@BLUPR04MB040.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Brad,

Since it is XP, Microsoft *had* a program called Steady State that allows you to lock down the computer to only show icons for applications you want available to users of the machine, as well as what can be changed and run etc.  It allowed you to set a timer to auto-logoff users after say 30 minutes, reboot and restore last image so that if someone were able to install say Chrome and you didn't want them to, next reboot the image would overwrite this install.

They have discontinued it so you have to do some searching to find the installer.  It is out there and a doc to go with it. Still works (I have a few machines in common areas at some clients with this.)  Win7 can be setup similarly but you have to use some tools (free) and Group Policy manipulation to get it done.  There are docs out there describing this.  Good luck.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 8:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Lock Down PC

All,

We have just installed a PC in a production department that has never had a PC before.  This PC is running XP SP3.  

There is only one application on this PC.  This is an inquiry system built with Access 2007.

Because of where this PC is located, I have some concern that people in this department will "experiment" with other things on this PC.

Is anyone aware of a free or inexpensive tool that will enable us to lock down this PC so that the only thing available is the Access inquiry system?

Thanks,
Brad


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Mar 12 08:27:20 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 09:27:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Any limits on what can be passed as an argument?
In-Reply-To: <003801ce1ef9$0db30890$291919b0$@cactus.dk>
References: <003801ce1ef9$0db30890$291919b0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1ixDg+NCjiQksP1Q8ynndZUJsPkoMT39YTTUVcN24iaeA@mail.gmail.com>

William (et.al.),

Your example reminds me of the Russell-Whitehead question: is the set of
all sets that are not members of themselves a member of itself? i.e.

<vba>
    Dim c1 As Collection
    Dim c2 As Collection
    Set c1 = New Collection
    Set c2 = c1
    c1.Add "Bill"
    Debug.Print "c1 count = " & c1.Count
    Debug.Print "c2 count = " & c2.Count
    c1.Add c2
    Debug.Print "c1 count = " & c1.Count
    Debug.Print "c2 count = " & c2.Count
</vba>

A.


On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 4:10 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Arthur
>
> A DAO.Recordset has a Clone method.
>
> /gustav
>
> >2. If Yes, is there a method such as Clone which would NOT change qd1?
>
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>



-- 
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Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Mar 12 08:33:44 2013
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 08:33:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Lock Down PC
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3DB@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <201302222259.r1MMxnsG001576@databaseadvisors.com>
	<CAMhYZWZJGptasOcQL3S8wMws25TP90+qNZaC3q=CMnxUZPJUxg@mail.gmail.com>
	<B78CAD96E5BE47BE89A95D52FF9F6730@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3C3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<33734CB7D9204CC48E2896669004A914@XPS>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3C5@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<C3155ECFCCA44C70AD26311C41E36B51@XPS>
	<CAEPJO1jp7MAeV9O=iB0Xmfh76OOxFEDvs5MfTuNUiXqi82qarQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3DB@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pLOdW7wHeABRZp4DhWuChgEzVDYr056VE-NB-TrZeN6bg@mail.gmail.com>

Found this article.....

http://www.windowsecurity.com/articles-tutorials/windows_os_security/Windows_XP_Your_Definitive_Lockdown_Guide.html<http://www.windowsecurity.com/articles-tutorials/windows_os_security/Windows_XP_Your_Definitive_Lockdown_Guide.html>

GK

On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 7:59 AM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com> wrote:
> All,
>
> We have just installed a PC in a production department that has never had a PC before.  This PC is running XP SP3.
>
> There is only one application on this PC.  This is an inquiry system built with Access 2007.
>
> Because of where this PC is located, I have some concern that people in this department will "experiment" with other things on this PC.
>
> Is anyone aware of a free or inexpensive tool that will enable us to lock down this PC so that the only thing available is the Access inquiry system?
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
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garykjos at gmail.com

From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Mar 12 08:44:03 2013
From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 13:44:03 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Lock Down PC
References: <201302222259.r1MMxnsG001576@databaseadvisors.com><CAMhYZWZJGptasOcQL3S8wMws25TP90+qNZaC3q=CMnxUZPJUxg@mail.gmail.com><B78CAD96E5BE47BE89A95D52FF9F6730@creativesystemdesigns.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3C3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><33734CB7D9204CC48E2896669004A914@XPS><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3C5@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><C3155ECFCCA44C70AD26311C41E36B51@XPS><CAEPJO1jp7MAeV9O=iB0Xmfh76OOxFEDvs5MfTuNUiXqi82qarQ@mail.gmail.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3DB@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<f6f9b5fbf2b648eebc5fe51ac9a66a97@BLUPR04MB040.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <7285C919BDEB471BAE636CF5B9758956@jamesc319792ae>

Depending on your LAN/WAN facilities, and the PC, it would be advisable to 
make the system only boot from LAN, and to lock the BIOS so it cannot be 
changed.

As usual, all non-maintenance work should be done under a limited access 
userid.
So - restrict access to folders by ownership, and only allow access to the 
required folders or files to that user.
Not forgetting to disable any USB, connection facilities to avoid BYOD

JimB

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Bodin" <jbodin at sbor.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Lock Down PC


> Hi Brad,
>
> Since it is XP, Microsoft *had* a program called Steady State that allows 
> you to lock down the computer to only show icons for applications you want 
> available to users of the machine, as well as what can be changed and run 
> etc.  It allowed you to set a timer to auto-logoff users after say 30 
> minutes, reboot and restore last image so that if someone were able to 
> install say Chrome and you didn't want them to, next reboot the image 
> would overwrite this install.
>
> They have discontinued it so you have to do some searching to find the 
> installer.  It is out there and a doc to go with it. Still works (I have a 
> few machines in common areas at some clients with this.)  Win7 can be 
> setup similarly but you have to use some tools (free) and Group Policy 
> manipulation to get it done.  There are docs out there describing this. 
> Good luck.
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 8:59 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Lock Down PC
>
> All,
>
> We have just installed a PC in a production department that has never had 
> a PC before.  This PC is running XP SP3.
>
> There is only one application on this PC.  This is an inquiry system built 
> with Access 2007.
>
> Because of where this PC is located, I have some concern that people in 
> this department will "experiment" with other things on this PC.
>
> Is anyone aware of a free or inexpensive tool that will enable us to lock 
> down this PC so that the only thing available is the Access inquiry 
> system?
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 


From jason at purplecone.com  Tue Mar 12 08:44:50 2013
From: jason at purplecone.com (Jason Strickland)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 09:44:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Lock Down PC
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3DB@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <201302222259.r1MMxnsG001576@databaseadvisors.com>
	<CAMhYZWZJGptasOcQL3S8wMws25TP90+qNZaC3q=CMnxUZPJUxg@mail.gmail.com>
	<B78CAD96E5BE47BE89A95D52FF9F6730@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3C3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<33734CB7D9204CC48E2896669004A914@XPS>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3C5@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<C3155ECFCCA44C70AD26311C41E36B51@XPS>
	<CAEPJO1jp7MAeV9O=iB0Xmfh76OOxFEDvs5MfTuNUiXqi82qarQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3DB@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <CABq0EbB3cyubnq+3AUENYvJmHGbANVJy+DFycHeODdK-+G=uxA@mail.gmail.com>

DeepFreeze will lock down PC so that all changes will revert upon reboot.
We use it at work on all of our labs and student laptops.
All,

We have just installed a PC in a production department that has never had a
PC before.  This PC is running XP SP3.

There is only one application on this PC.  This is an inquiry system built
with Access 2007.

Because of where this PC is located, I have some concern that people in
this department will "experiment" with other things on this PC.

Is anyone aware of a free or inexpensive tool that will enable us to lock
down this PC so that the only thing available is the Access inquiry system?

Thanks,
Brad

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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Tue Mar 12 08:46:09 2013
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 09:46:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Lock Down PC
In-Reply-To: <f6f9b5fbf2b648eebc5fe51ac9a66a97@BLUPR04MB040.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <201302222259.r1MMxnsG001576@databaseadvisors.com>
	<CAMhYZWZJGptasOcQL3S8wMws25TP90+qNZaC3q=CMnxUZPJUxg@mail.gmail.com>
	<B78CAD96E5BE47BE89A95D52FF9F6730@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3C3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<33734CB7D9204CC48E2896669004A914@XPS>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3C5@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<C3155ECFCCA44C70AD26311C41E36B51@XPS>
	<CAEPJO1jp7MAeV9O=iB0Xmfh76OOxFEDvs5MfTuNUiXqi82qarQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3DB@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<f6f9b5fbf2b648eebc5fe51ac9a66a97@BLUPR04MB040.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAvwyH3ySzUw-E4AMSkaUL2oK9dzCWv1jtkKq+ZARP8rZg@mail.gmail.com>

A little googling found this
http://windows-steadystate.en.softonic.com/download      software
http://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/download/details.aspx?id=4310   handbook

Good luck.

On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 9:21 AM, John Bodin <jbodin at sbor.com> wrote:

> Hi Brad,
>
> Since it is XP, Microsoft *had* a program called Steady State that allows
> you to lock down the computer to only show icons for applications you want
> available to users of the machine, as well as what can be changed and run
> etc.  It allowed you to set a timer to auto-logoff users after say 30
> minutes, reboot and restore last image so that if someone were able to
> install say Chrome and you didn't want them to, next reboot the image would
> overwrite this install.
>
> They have discontinued it so you have to do some searching to find the
> installer.  It is out there and a doc to go with it. Still works (I have a
> few machines in common areas at some clients with this.)  Win7 can be setup
> similarly but you have to use some tools (free) and Group Policy
> manipulation to get it done.  There are docs out there describing this.
>  Good luck.
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 8:59 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Lock Down PC
>
> All,
>
> We have just installed a PC in a production department that has never had
> a PC before.  This PC is running XP SP3.
>
> There is only one application on this PC.  This is an inquiry system built
> with Access 2007.
>
> Because of where this PC is located, I have some concern that people in
> this department will "experiment" with other things on this PC.
>
> Is anyone aware of a free or inexpensive tool that will enable us to lock
> down this PC so that the only thing available is the Access inquiry system?
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Mar 12 08:49:53 2013
From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 13:49:53 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Lock Down PC
References: <201302222259.r1MMxnsG001576@databaseadvisors.com><CAMhYZWZJGptasOcQL3S8wMws25TP90+qNZaC3q=CMnxUZPJUxg@mail.gmail.com><B78CAD96E5BE47BE89A95D52FF9F6730@creativesystemdesigns.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3C3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><33734CB7D9204CC48E2896669004A914@XPS><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3C5@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><C3155ECFCCA44C70AD26311C41E36B51@XPS><CAEPJO1jp7MAeV9O=iB0Xmfh76OOxFEDvs5MfTuNUiXqi82qarQ@mail.gmail.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3DB@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<f6f9b5fbf2b648eebc5fe51ac9a66a97@BLUPR04MB040.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <C069078060F04E33B207E9DDC1C98905@jamesc319792ae>

Further thought - maybe worth going for a (hardware profile with a) keyboard 
driver that does not recognise the ALT, CTRL ESC and Windows keys
Then lockdown the installation of new drivers - but retain an 'image' that 
isn't so restricted for your maintenance of the system.
Dmmmm annoying if you cannot 'install' a new NET board, or screen!

JimB

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Bodin" <jbodin at sbor.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Lock Down PC


> Hi Brad,
>
> Since it is XP, Microsoft *had* a program called Steady State that allows 
> you to lock down the computer to only show icons for applications you want 
> available to users of the machine, as well as what can be changed and run 
> etc.  It allowed you to set a timer to auto-logoff users after say 30 
> minutes, reboot and restore last image so that if someone were able to 
> install say Chrome and you didn't want them to, next reboot the image 
> would overwrite this install.
>
> They have discontinued it so you have to do some searching to find the 
> installer.  It is out there and a doc to go with it. Still works (I have a 
> few machines in common areas at some clients with this.)  Win7 can be 
> setup similarly but you have to use some tools (free) and Group Policy 
> manipulation to get it done.  There are docs out there describing this. 
> Good luck.
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 8:59 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Lock Down PC
>
> All,
>
> We have just installed a PC in a production department that has never had 
> a PC before.  This PC is running XP SP3.
>
> There is only one application on this PC.  This is an inquiry system built 
> with Access 2007.
>
> Because of where this PC is located, I have some concern that people in 
> this department will "experiment" with other things on this PC.
>
> Is anyone aware of a free or inexpensive tool that will enable us to lock 
> down this PC so that the only thing available is the Access inquiry 
> system?
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 


From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Tue Mar 12 11:12:24 2013
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 11:12:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access and SQL Server - Where is the work done - How Many
	Rows are Shipped Across the Network
References: <201302222259.r1MMxnsG001576@databaseadvisors.com><CAMhYZWZJGptasOcQL3S8wMws25TP90+qNZaC3q=CMnxUZPJUxg@mail.gmail.com><B78CAD96E5BE47BE89A95D52FF9F6730@creativesystemdesigns.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3C3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><33734CB7D9204CC48E2896669004A914@XPS><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3C5@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><C3155ECFCCA44C70AD26311C41E36B51@XPS><CAEPJO1jp7MAeV9O=iB0Xmfh76OOxFEDvs5MfTuNUiXqi82qarQ@mail.gmail.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3DB@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><f6f9b5fbf2b648eebc5fe51ac9a66a97@BLUPR04MB040.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
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All,

This is just a curiosity question.

Let's say that I have an Access application that obtains data from a SQL Server database via ODBC.

There are 1,000,000 rows in one of the SQL Server tables.

There is a query in the Access application that returns 100 rows from this table based on the "Where" condition in the query.

I would guess that the "heavy lifting" is being done by the SQL Server database box and only 100 rows are shipped back to the Access application on the PC.

Is this correct?

Is this always the case, or is it possible that all of the 1,000,000 rows are sent back to the Access application depending on the complexity of the SQL?

Again, these are just curiosity questions.

Thanks,
Brad  




From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Tue Mar 12 11:33:37 2013
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 09:33:37 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access and SQL Server - Where is the work done - How
 Many Rows are Shipped Across the Network
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I believe if you are using a pass through query, the heavy lift is done by
SQL.

If you have linked tables and are using regular queries, access does pull
everything over and does the work on the local PC.

D

On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com>wrote:

> All,
>
> This is just a curiosity question.
>
> Let's say that I have an Access application that obtains data from a SQL
> Server database via ODBC.
>
> There are 1,000,000 rows in one of the SQL Server tables.
>
> There is a query in the Access application that returns 100 rows from this
> table based on the "Where" condition in the query.
>
> I would guess that the "heavy lifting" is being done by the SQL Server
> database box and only 100 rows are shipped back to the Access application
> on the PC.
>
> Is this correct?
>
> Is this always the case, or is it possible that all of the 1,000,000 rows
> are sent back to the Access application depending on the complexity of the
> SQL?
>
> Again, these are just curiosity questions.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>

From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Mar 12 11:49:19 2013
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 12:49:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access and SQL Server - Where is the work done - How
 ManyRows are Shipped Across the Network
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3DE@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
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Message-ID: <1C9D6E3126DE4B0D82C0ED1D279027B5@XPS>

 
<<I would guess that the "heavy lifting" is being done by the SQL Server
database box and only 100 rows are shipped back to the Access application on
the PC.>>

 Pretty much.

<<Is this always the case, or is it possible that all of the 1,000,000 rows
are sent back to the Access application depending on the complexity of the
SQL?>>

 Depends on the query.  JET tries it's best to send the entire ODBC query to
the data source, but if you've included JET specific expressions or joins to
local tables, then JET requests all rows.  If your in doubt, you can turn on
ODBC tracing and see what requests are being made by JET.   But on a table
that large, it's pretty obvious if it's grabbing all the rows.

 If you use a pass-through query, JET never touches it and the SQL syntax
must be written for the ODBC source.

 In cases where the table in JET is an SQL View, the preparation of the view
is all done on the SQL side of course.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 12:12 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Access and SQL Server - Where is the work done - How
ManyRows are Shipped Across the Network

All,

This is just a curiosity question.

Let's say that I have an Access application that obtains data from a SQL
Server database via ODBC.

There are 1,000,000 rows in one of the SQL Server tables.

There is a query in the Access application that returns 100 rows from this
table based on the "Where" condition in the query.

I would guess that the "heavy lifting" is being done by the SQL Server
database box and only 100 rows are shipped back to the Access application on
the PC.

Is this correct?

Is this always the case, or is it possible that all of the 1,000,000 rows
are sent back to the Access application depending on the complexity of the
SQL?

Again, these are just curiosity questions.

Thanks,
Brad  





From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Mar 12 12:11:05 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 13:11:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access and SQL Server - Where is the work done - How
 Many Rows are Shipped Across the Network
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3DE@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <201302222259.r1MMxnsG001576@databaseadvisors.com><CAMhYZWZJGptasOcQL3S8wMws25TP90+qNZaC3q=CMnxUZPJUxg@mail.gmail.com><B78CAD96E5BE47BE89A95D52FF9F6730@creativesystemdesigns.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3C3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><33734CB7D9204CC48E2896669004A914@XPS><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3C5@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><C3155ECFCCA44C70AD26311C41E36B51@XPS><CAEPJO1jp7MAeV9O=iB0Xmfh76OOxFEDvs5MfTuNUiXqi82qarQ@mail.gmail.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3DB@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><f6f9b5fbf2b648eebc5fe51ac9a66a97@BLUPR04MB040.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
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	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3DE@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <513F61A9.3030308@gmail.com>

I am in the process of converting local queries to pass through queries.  In order to do that I have 
to go construct the queries in SSMS, get it working, then pull the SQL back into Access, place it in 
the PTQ and save it.  Once I do that, the entire thing is run on SQL Server and only data returned.

If the query is written in Access then "selection" data will be shipped just to decide what actual 
data needs to be pulled.  In general Access pulls both sides of joins and all fields in where 
clauses.  That is used to then ask for specific rows.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 3/12/2013 12:12 PM, Brad Marks wrote:
> All,
>
> This is just a curiosity question.
>
> Let's say that I have an Access application that obtains data from a SQL Server database via ODBC.
>
> There are 1,000,000 rows in one of the SQL Server tables.
>
> There is a query in the Access application that returns 100 rows from this table based on the "Where" condition in the query.
>
> I would guess that the "heavy lifting" is being done by the SQL Server database box and only 100 rows are shipped back to the Access application on the PC.
>
> Is this correct?
>
> Is this always the case, or is it possible that all of the 1,000,000 rows are sent back to the Access application depending on the complexity of the SQL?
>
> Again, these are just curiosity questions.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
>
>
>
>


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Tue Mar 12 12:13:42 2013
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 13:13:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Lock Down PC
In-Reply-To: <CABq0EbB3cyubnq+3AUENYvJmHGbANVJy+DFycHeODdK-+G=uxA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201302222259.r1MMxnsG001576@databaseadvisors.com>
	<CAMhYZWZJGptasOcQL3S8wMws25TP90+qNZaC3q=CMnxUZPJUxg@mail.gmail.com>
	<B78CAD96E5BE47BE89A95D52FF9F6730@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3C3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<33734CB7D9204CC48E2896669004A914@XPS>
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	<C3155ECFCCA44C70AD26311C41E36B51@XPS>
	<CAEPJO1jp7MAeV9O=iB0Xmfh76OOxFEDvs5MfTuNUiXqi82qarQ@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CABq0EbB3cyubnq+3AUENYvJmHGbANVJy+DFycHeODdK-+G=uxA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <513F6246.2070005@torchlake.com>

DeepFreeze is what we use on campus at Northwestern Michigan College, 
too.  Nothing saved on a local computer will still be there after reboot.
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 3/12/2013 9:44 AM, Jason Strickland wrote:
> DeepFreeze will lock down PC so that all changes will revert upon reboot.
> We use it at work on all of our labs and student laptops.
> All,
>
>


From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Tue Mar 12 12:22:23 2013
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:22:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access and SQL Server - Where is the work done - How
 Many Rows are Shipped Across the Network
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Off Topic, yet somewhat related tangent...

I've been experience some weirdness in my ADPs (which are going away in the
next version anyway).

It was always my understanding that an ADP let SQL do all the work.

I have found some very large stored procedures would have varying results
when using temp tables.

When we ran a trace, we found the sproc was being called via an RPC.

As a test, I created an MDB and a pass through query and it would return
the correct results.
The numbers matched SSMS output.

It really messed with my head. I wonder how many reports were returned
incorrectly over the past few years.

David

On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 10:11 AM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am in the process of converting local queries to pass through queries.
>  In order to do that I have to go construct the queries in SSMS, get it
> working, then pull the SQL back into Access, place it in the PTQ and save
> it.  Once I do that, the entire thing is run on SQL Server and only data
> returned.
>
> If the query is written in Access then "selection" data will be shipped
> just to decide what actual data needs to be pulled.  In general Access
> pulls both sides of joins and all fields in where clauses.  That is used to
> then ask for specific rows.
>
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
>
> On 3/12/2013 12:12 PM, Brad Marks wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> This is just a curiosity question.
>>
>> Let's say that I have an Access application that obtains data from a SQL
>> Server database via ODBC.
>>
>> There are 1,000,000 rows in one of the SQL Server tables.
>>
>> There is a query in the Access application that returns 100 rows from
>> this table based on the "Where" condition in the query.
>>
>> I would guess that the "heavy lifting" is being done by the SQL Server
>> database box and only 100 rows are shipped back to the Access application
>> on the PC.
>>
>> Is this correct?
>>
>> Is this always the case, or is it possible that all of the 1,000,000 rows
>> are sent back to the Access application depending on the complexity of the
>> SQL?
>>
>> Again, these are just curiosity questions.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Brad
>>
>>

From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Tue Mar 12 12:22:17 2013
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 13:22:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Lock Down PC
In-Reply-To: <513F6246.2070005@torchlake.com>
References: <201302222259.r1MMxnsG001576@databaseadvisors.com>
	<CAMhYZWZJGptasOcQL3S8wMws25TP90+qNZaC3q=CMnxUZPJUxg@mail.gmail.com>
	<B78CAD96E5BE47BE89A95D52FF9F6730@creativesystemdesigns.com>
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Tina,
Very interesting product - I just googled -seems it could be the/an answer.

Link I found http://www.faronics.com/products/deep-freeze/enterprise/

On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Tina Norris Fields <
tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:

> DeepFreeze is what we use on campus at Northwestern Michigan College, too.
>  Nothing saved on a local computer will still be there after reboot.
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-**com
> 231-322-2787
>
>
> On 3/12/2013 9:44 AM, Jason Strickland wrote:
>
>> DeepFreeze will lock down PC so that all changes will revert upon reboot.
>> We use it at work on all of our labs and student laptops.
>> All,
>>
>>
>>
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>

From dbdoug at gmail.com  Tue Mar 12 12:25:13 2013
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:25:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access and SQL Server - Where is the work done - How
 Many Rows are Shipped Across the Network
In-Reply-To: <513F61A9.3030308@gmail.com>
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Hi John:

I'm interested that you aren't using stored procedures to run the queries
on the SQL server back end.  Do you have any comments?

Thanks,
Doug


On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 10:11 AM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am in the process of converting local queries to pass through queries.
>  In order to do that I have to go construct the queries in SSMS, get it
> working, then pull the SQL back into Access, place it in the PTQ and save
> it.  Once I do that, the entire thing is run on SQL Server and only data
> returned.
>
> If the query is written in Access then "selection" data will be shipped
> just to decide what actual data needs to be pulled.  In general Access
> pulls both sides of joins and all fields in where clauses.  That is used to
> then ask for specific rows.
>
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
>
> On 3/12/2013 12:12 PM, Brad Marks wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> This is just a curiosity question.
>>
>> Let's say that I have an Access application that obtains data from a SQL
>> Server database via ODBC.
>>
>> There are 1,000,000 rows in one of the SQL Server tables.
>>
>> There is a query in the Access application that returns 100 rows from
>> this table based on the "Where" condition in the query.
>>
>> I would guess that the "heavy lifting" is being done by the SQL Server
>> database box and only 100 rows are shipped back to the Access application
>> on the PC.
>>
>> Is this correct?
>>
>> Is this always the case, or is it possible that all of the 1,000,000 rows
>> are sent back to the Access application depending on the complexity of the
>> SQL?
>>
>> Again, these are just curiosity questions.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Brad
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> --
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>

From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Tue Mar 12 13:49:50 2013
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 14:49:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Big Problem & Little Problem - Live Date Tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <CAFa8Nkg9itA4QacOg9KnUJKR_fN5kzKF2r-A+NPTUXWXC5psgQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201302222259.r1MMxnsG001576@databaseadvisors.com>
	<CAMhYZWZJGptasOcQL3S8wMws25TP90+qNZaC3q=CMnxUZPJUxg@mail.gmail.com>
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I've had this program in the users' hands since last week. They were to run it through some tests, and we intended to go live on Wednesday...Tomorrow! In their testing, they found two things...one that I just didn't think of, and another that I overlooked...a problem I knew about at one time, and just glossed over. In my defense, this is the program, if y'all remember, that I wrote 3 yrs ago, and they're just now getting around to using...I may have even had a fix out there at that time, but have now forgotten about it. 
 
Big Problem first...
 
When a user goes into this application's main form, they enter a witness' name, and at that time a voucher number is created...basically sequential, built off the date...if I did one now it might be 130001, the next would be 130002, all the way to 139999, and then in 2014 the numbers would start anew. 
 
During testing two users went in at the same exact time and both began entering a voucher at the same time. It assigned 130009 to both of their subjects. This is a problem for more than one reason. First of all, we just can't have it. But, if we could get over it, it only prints the one record, even though they are both in there. 
 
This number is assigned right away, but it isn't in the DB until the record input is complete. So, in the minute or two that one clerk is entering data, another could very well get in and grab the same number...the previous not being "dedicated" yet, and the latter would gain the same number. What I am thinking of doing...I'm trying it as soon as I'm out of this email...is to hold off on assigning the number until the record is done. But, I wanted to put this out there and ask for your advice. 
 
 
Littler Problem now...
 
The whole purpose of this DB is to create a printed voucher for a witness to take to the treasurer's dept and get paid for their time and mileage. Way back w/I was first doing this, someone right on this very list gave me the idea of putting all the text together via code, and then printing out the sections of text. This worked awesome actually and I'm happy I went that way. But, it my final section it is suppose to include two numbers...mileage and amt owed. I, for some reason, am unable to mix these...text and numbers...type mismatch.
 
Here is the code...
 
'************ Setup text for 5th paragraph
P5 = "I, the undersigned Clerk of Niagara County and the aforesaid court, do certify that "
P5 = P5 + [txtWitFName] & " " & [txtWitLName]
P5 = P5 + ", attended 1 day(s) upon request of the District Attorney and traveled "
'P5 = P5 + [numMileage]
P5 = P5 + " miles. Said witness is entitled to a sum of "
'P5 = P5 + [curMileage]
P5 = P5 + "payment in full of witness fees."
 
The problems come on the 4th...and I'm presuming the 6th...lines. Later, when I put it together, the final line of that section reads, "Me.lblParaFive.Caption = P5" 
 
I'm sweatin' it a little bit here. I am at the end of my day, and they'll be running these at around 10:30 AM tomorrow. I'll probably stay a little later tonight...OT is frowned upon though (don't ask), so I don't know how that will go either. 
 
Any help will be greatly appreciated!
 
Thank you ahead of time...John Clark

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Mar 12 13:52:53 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 11:52:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Lock Down PC
In-Reply-To: <513F6246.2070005@torchlake.com>
References: <201302222259.r1MMxnsG001576@databaseadvisors.com><CAMhYZWZJGptasOcQL3S8wMws25TP90+qNZaC3q=CMnxUZPJUxg@mail.gmail.com><B78CAD96E5BE47BE89A95D52FF9F6730@creativesystemdesigns.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3C3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><33734CB7D9204CC48E2896669004A914@XPS><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3C5@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><C3155ECFCCA44C70AD26311C41E36B51@XPS><CAEPJO1jp7MAeV9O=iB0Xmfh76OOxFEDvs5MfTuNUiXqi82qarQ@mail.gmail.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3DB@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><CABq0EbB3cyubnq+3AUENYvJmHGbANVJy+DFycHeODdK-+G=uxA@mail.gmail.com>
	<513F6246.2070005@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <481810D8C0804177A3B4A21E563CA334@creativesystemdesigns.com>

It seems that the application DeepFreeze is what the colleges and schools
are using, all over...even here. Must be a good choice.

Here is an TechRepublic article on how to manage BYOD computers which is
what a computer can quickly become if left in the hands and control of
users:

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10things/10-ways-to-reduce-security-headach
es-in-a-byod-world/3591?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101&ttag=e101

Jim

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:14 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Lock Down PC

DeepFreeze is what we use on campus at Northwestern Michigan College, 
too.  Nothing saved on a local computer will still be there after reboot.
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 3/12/2013 9:44 AM, Jason Strickland wrote:
> DeepFreeze will lock down PC so that all changes will revert upon reboot.
> We use it at work on all of our labs and student laptops.
> All,
>
>

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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Tue Mar 12 13:56:56 2013
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 14:56:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Big Problem & Little Problem - Live Date Tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <513F408E0200006B0002BC58@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
References: <201302222259.r1MMxnsG001576@databaseadvisors.com>
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	<513F408E0200006B0002BC58@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <513F42380200006B0002BC63@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>

Little Problem fix...I think. It occurred to me, immediately after sending my message, that I do this very thing, earlier in the voucher...include a number w/my text. So, I looked at what I'd done up there and saw that I just used a "Str()" command. I'd thought I'd tried that though...well, it worked this time...maybe I had a mix of issues at one point. 
 
So, I'm just down to the duplicate number issue. This is a huge issue...BUT...at least it is one issue only. And, worse comes to worse, we can still go live...we'll just have to be careful. And, if some does happen where we get a duplicate, I should be able to get it out myself. 

>>> "John Clark" <John.Clark at niagaracounty.com> 3/12/2013 2:49 PM >>>
I've had this program in the users' hands since last week. They were to run it through some tests, and we intended to go live on Wednesday...Tomorrow! In their testing, they found two things...one that I just didn't think of, and another that I overlooked...a problem I knew about at one time, and just glossed over. In my defense, this is the program, if y'all remember, that I wrote 3 yrs ago, and they're just now getting around to using...I may have even had a fix out there at that time, but have now forgotten about it. 

Big Problem first...

When a user goes into this application's main form, they enter a witness' name, and at that time a voucher number is created...basically sequential, built off the date...if I did one now it might be 130001, the next would be 130002, all the way to 139999, and then in 2014 the numbers would start anew. 

During testing two users went in at the same exact time and both began entering a voucher at the same time. It assigned 130009 to both of their subjects. This is a problem for more than one reason. First of all, we just can't have it. But, if we could get over it, it only prints the one record, even though they are both in there. 

This number is assigned right away, but it isn't in the DB until the record input is complete. So, in the minute or two that one clerk is entering data, another could very well get in and grab the same number...the previous not being "dedicated" yet, and the latter would gain the same number. What I am thinking of doing...I'm trying it as soon as I'm out of this email...is to hold off on assigning the number until the record is done. But, I wanted to put this out there and ask for your advice. 


Littler Problem now...

The whole purpose of this DB is to create a printed voucher for a witness to take to the treasurer's dept and get paid for their time and mileage. Way back w/I was first doing this, someone right on this very list gave me the idea of putting all the text together via code, and then printing out the sections of text. This worked awesome actually and I'm happy I went that way. But, it my final section it is suppose to include two numbers...mileage and amt owed. I, for some reason, am unable to mix these...text and numbers...type mismatch.

Here is the code...

'************ Setup text for 5th paragraph
P5 = "I, the undersigned Clerk of Niagara County and the aforesaid court, do certify that "
P5 = P5 + [txtWitFName] & " " & [txtWitLName]
P5 = P5 + ", attended 1 day(s) upon request of the District Attorney and traveled "
'P5 = P5 + [numMileage]
P5 = P5 + " miles. Said witness is entitled to a sum of "
'P5 = P5 + [curMileage]
P5 = P5 + "payment in full of witness fees."

The problems come on the 4th...and I'm presuming the 6th...lines. Later, when I put it together, the final line of that section reads, "Me.lblParaFive.Caption = P5" 

I'm sweatin' it a little bit here. I am at the end of my day, and they'll be running these at around 10:30 AM tomorrow. I'll probably stay a little later tonight...OT is frowned upon though (don't ask), so I don't know how that will go either. 

Any help will be greatly appreciated!

Thank you ahead of time...John Clark

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From RRANTHON at sentara.com  Tue Mar 12 13:58:57 2013
From: RRANTHON at sentara.com (RANDALL R ANTHONY)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 18:58:57 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Big Problem & Little Problem - Live Date Tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <513F408E0200006B0002BC58@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
References: <201302222259.r1MMxnsG001576@databaseadvisors.com>
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	<513F408E0200006B0002BC58@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <201303121859.r2CIx3SU029793@databaseadvisors.com>

John,
Little problem, what's with the single quotes?
'P5 = P5 + [numMileage]
P5 = P5 + " miles. Said witness is entitled to a sum of "
'P5 = P5 + [curMileage]

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 2:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Big Problem & Little Problem - Live Date Tomorrow

I've had this program in the users' hands since last week. They were to run it through some tests, and we intended to go live on Wednesday...Tomorrow! In their testing, they found two things...one that I just didn't think of, and another that I overlooked...a problem I knew about at one time, and just glossed over. In my defense, this is the program, if y'all remember, that I wrote 3 yrs ago, and they're just now getting around to using...I may have even had a fix out there at that time, but have now forgotten about it. 
 
Big Problem first...
 
When a user goes into this application's main form, they enter a witness' name, and at that time a voucher number is created...basically sequential, built off the date...if I did one now it might be 130001, the next would be 130002, all the way to 139999, and then in 2014 the numbers would start anew. 
 
During testing two users went in at the same exact time and both began entering a voucher at the same time. It assigned 130009 to both of their subjects. This is a problem for more than one reason. First of all, we just can't have it. But, if we could get over it, it only prints the one record, even though they are both in there. 
 
This number is assigned right away, but it isn't in the DB until the record input is complete. So, in the minute or two that one clerk is entering data, another could very well get in and grab the same number...the previous not being "dedicated" yet, and the latter would gain the same number. What I am thinking of doing...I'm trying it as soon as I'm out of this email...is to hold off on assigning the number until the record is done. But, I wanted to put this out there and ask for your advice. 
 
 
Littler Problem now...
 
The whole purpose of this DB is to create a printed voucher for a witness to take to the treasurer's dept and get paid for their time and mileage. Way back w/I was first doing this, someone right on this very list gave me the idea of putting all the text together via code, and then printing out the sections of text. This worked awesome actually and I'm happy I went that way. But, it my final section it is suppose to include two numbers...mileage and amt owed. I, for some reason, am unable to mix these...text and numbers...type mismatch.
 
Here is the code...
 
'************ Setup text for 5th paragraph
P5 = "I, the undersigned Clerk of Niagara County and the aforesaid court, do certify that "
P5 = P5 + [txtWitFName] & " " & [txtWitLName]
P5 = P5 + ", attended 1 day(s) upon request of the District Attorney and traveled "
'P5 = P5 + [numMileage]
P5 = P5 + " miles. Said witness is entitled to a sum of "
'P5 = P5 + [curMileage]
P5 = P5 + "payment in full of witness fees."
 
The problems come on the 4th...and I'm presuming the 6th...lines. Later, when I put it together, the final line of that section reads, "Me.lblParaFive.Caption = P5" 
 
I'm sweatin' it a little bit here. I am at the end of my day, and they'll be running these at around 10:30 AM tomorrow. I'll probably stay a little later tonight...OT is frowned upon though (don't ask), so I don't know how that will go either. 
 
Any help will be greatly appreciated!
 
Thank you ahead of time...John Clark

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From jeff.developer at gmail.com  Tue Mar 12 14:01:40 2013
From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff B)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 14:01:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Big Problem & Little Problem - Live Date Tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <513F42380200006B0002BC63@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
References: <201302222259.r1MMxnsG001576@databaseadvisors.com>	<CAMhYZWZJGptasOcQL3S8wMws25TP90+qNZaC3q=CMnxUZPJUxg@mail.gmail.com>	<B78CAD96E5BE47BE89A95D52FF9F6730@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3C3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>	<33734CB7D9204CC48E2896669004A914@XPS>	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3C5@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>	<C3155ECFCCA44C70AD26311C41E36B51@XPS>	<CAEPJO1jp7MAeV9O=iB0Xmfh76OOxFEDvs5MfTuNUiXqi82qarQ@mail.gmail.com>	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3DB@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>	<f6f9b5fbf2b648eebc5fe51ac9a66a97@BLUPR04MB040.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>	<CAKvidAvwyH3ySzUw-E4AMSkaUL2oK9dzCWv1jtkKq+ZARP8rZg@mail.gmail.com>	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3DE@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>	<513F61A9.3030308@gmail.com>	<CAFa8Nkg9itA4QacOg9KnUJKR_fN5kzKF2r-A+NPTUXWXC5psgQ@mail.gmail.com>	<513F408E0200006B0002BC58@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
	<513F42380200006B0002BC63@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <009801ce1f54$093e39f0$1bbaadd0$@gmail.com>

I had a similar situation here, but we assigned a number to all office staff
and inserted that into the number.  That allowed us to not only avoid any
duplicate numbers, but we can also track what each person has been creating.

Jeff Barrows
MCP, MCAD, MCSD
?
Outbak Technologies, LLC
Racine, WI
jeff.developer at gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 1:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Big Problem & Little Problem - Live Date Tomorrow

Little Problem fix...I think. It occurred to me, immediately after sending
my message, that I do this very thing, earlier in the voucher...include a
number w/my text. So, I looked at what I'd done up there and saw that I just
used a "Str()" command. I'd thought I'd tried that though...well, it worked
this time...maybe I had a mix of issues at one point. 
 
So, I'm just down to the duplicate number issue. This is a huge
issue...BUT...at least it is one issue only. And, worse comes to worse, we
can still go live...we'll just have to be careful. And, if some does happen
where we get a duplicate, I should be able to get it out myself. 

>>> "John Clark" <John.Clark at niagaracounty.com> 3/12/2013 2:49 PM >>>
I've had this program in the users' hands since last week. They were to run
it through some tests, and we intended to go live on Wednesday...Tomorrow!
In their testing, they found two things...one that I just didn't think of,
and another that I overlooked...a problem I knew about at one time, and just
glossed over. In my defense, this is the program, if y'all remember, that I
wrote 3 yrs ago, and they're just now getting around to using...I may have
even had a fix out there at that time, but have now forgotten about it. 

Big Problem first...

When a user goes into this application's main form, they enter a witness'
name, and at that time a voucher number is created...basically sequential,
built off the date...if I did one now it might be 130001, the next would be
130002, all the way to 139999, and then in 2014 the numbers would start
anew. 

During testing two users went in at the same exact time and both began
entering a voucher at the same time. It assigned 130009 to both of their
subjects. This is a problem for more than one reason. First of all, we just
can't have it. But, if we could get over it, it only prints the one record,
even though they are both in there. 

This number is assigned right away, but it isn't in the DB until the record
input is complete. So, in the minute or two that one clerk is entering data,
another could very well get in and grab the same number...the previous not
being "dedicated" yet, and the latter would gain the same number. What I am
thinking of doing...I'm trying it as soon as I'm out of this email...is to
hold off on assigning the number until the record is done. But, I wanted to
put this out there and ask for your advice. 


Littler Problem now...

The whole purpose of this DB is to create a printed voucher for a witness to
take to the treasurer's dept and get paid for their time and mileage. Way
back w/I was first doing this, someone right on this very list gave me the
idea of putting all the text together via code, and then printing out the
sections of text. This worked awesome actually and I'm happy I went that
way. But, it my final section it is suppose to include two numbers...mileage
and amt owed. I, for some reason, am unable to mix these...text and
numbers...type mismatch.

Here is the code...

'************ Setup text for 5th paragraph
P5 = "I, the undersigned Clerk of Niagara County and the aforesaid court, do
certify that "
P5 = P5 + [txtWitFName] & " " & [txtWitLName]
P5 = P5 + ", attended 1 day(s) upon request of the District Attorney and
traveled "
'P5 = P5 + [numMileage]
P5 = P5 + " miles. Said witness is entitled to a sum of "
'P5 = P5 + [curMileage]
P5 = P5 + "payment in full of witness fees."

The problems come on the 4th...and I'm presuming the 6th...lines. Later,
when I put it together, the final line of that section reads,
"Me.lblParaFive.Caption = P5" 

I'm sweatin' it a little bit here. I am at the end of my day, and they'll be
running these at around 10:30 AM tomorrow. I'll probably stay a little later
tonight...OT is frowned upon though (don't ask), so I don't know how that
will go either. 

Any help will be greatly appreciated!

Thank you ahead of time...John Clark

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From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Tue Mar 12 14:01:58 2013
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 19:01:58 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Big Problem & Little Problem - Live Date Tomorrow
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I was going to suggest cstr() (well that's if it exists in access, been
doing VB6).....The number issue I used to have a table (tblNextID) with
just one field say called NextNo when they start entering a name grab the
number from the table then increment the number in the table straight away.

On 12 March 2013 18:56, John Clark <John.Clark at niagaracounty.com> wrote:

> Little Problem fix...I think. It occurred to me, immediately after sending
> my message, that I do this very thing, earlier in the voucher...include a
> number w/my text. So, I looked at what I'd done up there and saw that I
> just used a "Str()" command. I'd thought I'd tried that though...well, it
> worked this time...maybe I had a mix of issues at one point.
>
> So, I'm just down to the duplicate number issue. This is a huge
> issue...BUT...at least it is one issue only. And, worse comes to worse, we
> can still go live...we'll just have to be careful. And, if some does happen
> where we get a duplicate, I should be able to get it out myself.
>
> >>> "John Clark" <John.Clark at niagaracounty.com> 3/12/2013 2:49 PM >>>
> I've had this program in the users' hands since last week. They were to
> run it through some tests, and we intended to go live on
> Wednesday...Tomorrow! In their testing, they found two things...one that I
> just didn't think of, and another that I overlooked...a problem I knew
> about at one time, and just glossed over. In my defense, this is the
> program, if y'all remember, that I wrote 3 yrs ago, and they're just now
> getting around to using...I may have even had a fix out there at that time,
> but have now forgotten about it.
>
> Big Problem first...
>
> When a user goes into this application's main form, they enter a witness'
> name, and at that time a voucher number is created...basically sequential,
> built off the date...if I did one now it might be 130001, the next would be
> 130002, all the way to 139999, and then in 2014 the numbers would start
> anew.
>
> During testing two users went in at the same exact time and both began
> entering a voucher at the same time. It assigned 130009 to both of their
> subjects. This is a problem for more than one reason. First of all, we just
> can't have it. But, if we could get over it, it only prints the one record,
> even though they are both in there.
>
> This number is assigned right away, but it isn't in the DB until the
> record input is complete. So, in the minute or two that one clerk is
> entering data, another could very well get in and grab the same
> number...the previous not being "dedicated" yet, and the latter would gain
> the same number. What I am thinking of doing...I'm trying it as soon as I'm
> out of this email...is to hold off on assigning the number until the record
> is done. But, I wanted to put this out there and ask for your advice.
>
>
> Littler Problem now...
>
> The whole purpose of this DB is to create a printed voucher for a witness
> to take to the treasurer's dept and get paid for their time and mileage.
> Way back w/I was first doing this, someone right on this very list gave me
> the idea of putting all the text together via code, and then printing out
> the sections of text. This worked awesome actually and I'm happy I went
> that way. But, it my final section it is suppose to include two
> numbers...mileage and amt owed. I, for some reason, am unable to mix
> these...text and numbers...type mismatch.
>
> Here is the code...
>
> '************ Setup text for 5th paragraph
> P5 = "I, the undersigned Clerk of Niagara County and the aforesaid court,
> do certify that "
> P5 = P5 + [txtWitFName] & " " & [txtWitLName]
> P5 = P5 + ", attended 1 day(s) upon request of the District Attorney and
> traveled "
> 'P5 = P5 + [numMileage]
> P5 = P5 + " miles. Said witness is entitled to a sum of "
> 'P5 = P5 + [curMileage]
> P5 = P5 + "payment in full of witness fees."
>
> The problems come on the 4th...and I'm presuming the 6th...lines. Later,
> when I put it together, the final line of that section reads,
> "Me.lblParaFive.Caption = P5"
>
> I'm sweatin' it a little bit here. I am at the end of my day, and they'll
> be running these at around 10:30 AM tomorrow. I'll probably stay a little
> later tonight...OT is frowned upon though (don't ask), so I don't know how
> that will go either.
>
> Any help will be greatly appreciated!
>
> Thank you ahead of time...John Clark
>
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Mar 12 14:13:02 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 15:13:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access and SQL Server - Where is the work done - How
 Many Rows are Shipped Across the Network
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I may turn them into SPs, but probably not.  I inherited an Access database with a set of about 32 
queries, consisting of three "sets" each building a temp table (in access), and at the very end the 
tables were joined to create a result set which is exported to form the basis of a merge letter.

The total thing took about 10 minutes to run.  I am slowly working my way through the queries, 
turning each into a CTE in a single query which basically replaces the first temp table.  It is just 
painstaking work and to this point I am always moving the built up data into a PTE back in Access 
simply because it works and that PTQ can be joined to other queries.  The PTO I just finished takes 
2 seconds to run vs 120 seconds for the Access query mess it replaces.

The PTO is STILL a mess, but the mess is a bunch of common table expressions in a single query, at 
the very end referencing each other in the same manner that the query mess back in access does. IOW 
I have moved each subquery into a CTE and then joined those CTEs in the PTQ.

It turns out that a pass through query whose SQL takes perhaps 2 seconds in SQL Server directly, 
only takes perhaps 5 seconds as a PTQ back in Access.

Eventually I hope to have the entire thing be a single query out in SQL Server but I have to 
constantly compare it back to the original to make sure that it gets the same data.

The problem that I have with eventually moving it entirely into SQL Server is that in my 
environment, I work in a copy of the real server.  The server has perhaps a hundred databases, each 
database can have hundreds of tables and views.  In order to create anything permanent out in SQL 
Server I have to not only create it out there, but get permission to make the same changes to the 
"real" production server (and a quality server and a user testing server).  IOW I can create a PT 
query qhich has SQL which references SomeDb.dbo.SomeTbl.SomeField and build up SQL that way.  Once 
it runs out in SSMS I simply cut and copy that into Access and don't even save the original out in 
SSMS.  Access acts as the repository of SQL which I can't actually (or easily) store out in 
production land.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 3/12/2013 1:25 PM, Doug Steele wrote:
> Hi John:
>
> I'm interested that you aren't using stored procedures to run the queries
> on the SQL server back end.  Do you have any comments?
>
> Thanks,
> Doug
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 10:11 AM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I am in the process of converting local queries to pass through queries.
>>   In order to do that I have to go construct the queries in SSMS, get it
>> working, then pull the SQL back into Access, place it in the PTQ and save
>> it.  Once I do that, the entire thing is run on SQL Server and only data
>> returned.
>>
>> If the query is written in Access then "selection" data will be shipped
>> just to decide what actual data needs to be pulled.  In general Access
>> pulls both sides of joins and all fields in where clauses.  That is used to
>> then ask for specific rows.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>>
>> On 3/12/2013 12:12 PM, Brad Marks wrote:
>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> This is just a curiosity question.
>>>
>>> Let's say that I have an Access application that obtains data from a SQL
>>> Server database via ODBC.
>>>
>>> There are 1,000,000 rows in one of the SQL Server tables.
>>>
>>> There is a query in the Access application that returns 100 rows from
>>> this table based on the "Where" condition in the query.
>>>
>>> I would guess that the "heavy lifting" is being done by the SQL Server
>>> database box and only 100 rows are shipped back to the Access application
>>> on the PC.
>>>
>>> Is this correct?
>>>
>>> Is this always the case, or is it possible that all of the 1,000,000 rows
>>> are sent back to the Access application depending on the complexity of the
>>> SQL?
>>>
>>> Again, these are just curiosity questions.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Brad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Mar 12 14:31:05 2013
From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 19:31:05 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Lock Down PC
References: <201302222259.r1MMxnsG001576@databaseadvisors.com><CAMhYZWZJGptasOcQL3S8wMws25TP90+qNZaC3q=CMnxUZPJUxg@mail.gmail.com><B78CAD96E5BE47BE89A95D52FF9F6730@creativesystemdesigns.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3C3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><33734CB7D9204CC48E2896669004A914@XPS><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3C5@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><C3155ECFCCA44C70AD26311C41E36B51@XPS><CAEPJO1jp7MAeV9O=iB0Xmfh76OOxFEDvs5MfTuNUiXqi82qarQ@mail.gmail.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3DB@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><CABq0EbB3cyubnq+3AUENYvJmHGbANVJy+DFycHeODdK-+G=uxA@mail.gmail.com><513F6246.2070005@torchlake.com>
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Jim,

While the notes in that post
<http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10things/10-ways-to-reduce-security-headaches-in-a-byod-world/3591?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101&ttag=e101>
Are reasonable, to my view they address the incidental probabilities 
associated with inexperienced, or inept user.

I believe that site security should start from the consideration of both the 
interloper, and authorised users intending to inappropriately acquire the 
data held on your system, or to use your systems for their own purposes.


You should expect these 'users' to come with systems that can connect their 
network to your network, and thus to your data, and some of your users 
working environment and access, and maybe, their probable aim of controlling 
your admin level.
Maybe considering the password, or even unencrypted access to the backups 
being a nice neat access point.

Then there is the physical attack possibilities -
Removing a PC, (or just the hard drive) for modification
Attaching a wireless dongle or device with a 32GB microSD - scarcely larger 
than the hard bit of the USB connector, and certainly smaller than the cover 
to the cable connection.

Ignoring the possibilities of a screenscraper, or comms monitoring 
application there is still a lot of ways for data on a LAN/WAN, or server 
facility to be acquired in bulk.

And - as I posted a short while ago, I was working at a site where 
'security' level work was being done, with full physical access recording 
and control - but someone stole a server (maxi-tower PC sized) - via the 
scaffolding errected to allow the window maintenance contractors to do their 
work.
Well - the building owner had scheduled it as a 5 yearly extra safety & 
maintenance check on the annual cleaning/service, shame the tenant company 
management didn't consider it needed extra security to be paid for!

JimB

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Lock Down PC


> It seems that the application DeepFreeze is what the colleges and schools
> are using, all over...even here. Must be a good choice.
>
> Here is an TechRepublic article on how to manage BYOD computers which is
> what a computer can quickly become if left in the hands and control of
> users:
>
> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10things/10-ways-to-reduce-security-headach
> es-in-a-byod-world/3591?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101&ttag=e101
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> Fields
> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:14 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Lock Down PC
>
> DeepFreeze is what we use on campus at Northwestern Michigan College,
> too.  Nothing saved on a local computer will still be there after reboot.
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
> On 3/12/2013 9:44 AM, Jason Strickland wrote:
>> DeepFreeze will lock down PC so that all changes will revert upon reboot.
>> We use it at work on all of our labs and student laptops.
>> All,
>>
>>
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Mar 12 14:49:06 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 12:49:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Big Problem & Little Problem - Live Date Tomorrow
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Message-ID: <9FD227E86AB044079EC77107EB7F0917@HAL9007>

Where is that number stored?  It should be incremented immediately when the
user creates to the new record.  If it's calculated by adding one to the
biggest existing number, then the record needs to be saved immediately.

R


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 11:50 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Big Problem & Little Problem - Live Date Tomorrow

I've had this program in the users' hands since last week. They were to run
it through some tests, and we intended to go live on Wednesday...Tomorrow!
In their testing, they found two things...one that I just didn't think of,
and another that I overlooked...a problem I knew about at one time, and just
glossed over. In my defense, this is the program, if y'all remember, that I
wrote 3 yrs ago, and they're just now getting around to using...I may have
even had a fix out there at that time, but have now forgotten about it. 
 
Big Problem first...
 
When a user goes into this application's main form, they enter a witness'
name, and at that time a voucher number is created...basically sequential,
built off the date...if I did one now it might be 130001, the next would be
130002, all the way to 139999, and then in 2014 the numbers would start
anew. 
 
During testing two users went in at the same exact time and both began
entering a voucher at the same time. It assigned 130009 to both of their
subjects. This is a problem for more than one reason. First of all, we just
can't have it. But, if we could get over it, it only prints the one record,
even though they are both in there. 
 
This number is assigned right away, but it isn't in the DB until the record
input is complete. So, in the minute or two that one clerk is entering data,
another could very well get in and grab the same number...the previous not
being "dedicated" yet, and the latter would gain the same number. What I am
thinking of doing...I'm trying it as soon as I'm out of this email...is to
hold off on assigning the number until the record is done. But, I wanted to
put this out there and ask for your advice. 
 
 
Littler Problem now...
 
The whole purpose of this DB is to create a printed voucher for a witness to
take to the treasurer's dept and get paid for their time and mileage. Way
back w/I was first doing this, someone right on this very list gave me the
idea of putting all the text together via code, and then printing out the
sections of text. This worked awesome actually and I'm happy I went that
way. But, it my final section it is suppose to include two numbers...mileage
and amt owed. I, for some reason, am unable to mix these...text and
numbers...type mismatch.
 
Here is the code...
 
'************ Setup text for 5th paragraph
P5 = "I, the undersigned Clerk of Niagara County and the aforesaid court, do
certify that "
P5 = P5 + [txtWitFName] & " " & [txtWitLName]
P5 = P5 + ", attended 1 day(s) upon request of the District Attorney and
traveled "
'P5 = P5 + [numMileage]
P5 = P5 + " miles. Said witness is entitled to a sum of "
'P5 = P5 + [curMileage]
P5 = P5 + "payment in full of witness fees."
 
The problems come on the 4th...and I'm presuming the 6th...lines. Later,
when I put it together, the final line of that section reads,
"Me.lblParaFive.Caption = P5" 
 
I'm sweatin' it a little bit here. I am at the end of my day, and they'll be
running these at around 10:30 AM tomorrow. I'll probably stay a little later
tonight...OT is frowned upon though (don't ask), so I don't know how that
will go either. 
 
Any help will be greatly appreciated!
 
Thank you ahead of time...John Clark

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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Tue Mar 12 14:51:52 2013
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 15:51:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Big Problem & Little Problem - Live Date Tomorrow
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Oh...that is just because I had it commented out so that I could get around the problem for testing. I altered them to the form of P5 = P5 + Str([numMileage]) though and all was good w/that

>>> RANDALL R ANTHONY <RRANTHON at sentara.com> 3/12/2013 2:58 PM >>>
John,
Little problem, what's with the single quotes?
'P5 = P5 + [numMileage]
P5 = P5 + " miles. Said witness is entitled to a sum of "
'P5 = P5 + [curMileage]


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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Tue Mar 12 14:53:07 2013
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 19:53:07 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] 3 month moving total
Message-ID: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB071D7766@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>

I was wondering if it is possible to create a 3 month moving total in a query. I have had no luck in finding an answer in any searches. Below is some sample data and what the results should be. Thanks for any ideas.

SAMPLE DATA
Well       Date                      Oil
1              1/1/2012              10
1              2/1/2012              14
1              3/1/2012              8
1              4/1/2012              11
1              5/1/2012              9
1              6/1/2012              13
1              7/1/2012              12
2              1/1/2012              7
2              2/1/2012              20
2              3/1/2012              18
2              4/1/2012              5
2              5/1/2012              9
2              6/1/2012              10
2              7/1/2012              14

INTENDED RESULTS
1              3/1/2012              32
1              4/1/2012              33
1              5/1/2012              28
1              6/1/2012              33
1              7/1/2012              34
2              3/1/2012              45
2              4/1/2012              43
etc

From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Tue Mar 12 14:55:25 2013
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 15:55:25 -0400
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John,

You may need a leading space in this line
P5 = P5 + "payment in full of witness fees."


On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 3:51 PM, John Clark <John.Clark at niagaracounty.com>wrote:

> Oh...that is just because I had it commented out so that I could get
> around the problem for testing. I altered them to the form of P5 = P5 +
> Str([numMileage]) though and all was good w/that
>
> >>> RANDALL R ANTHONY <RRANTHON at sentara.com> 3/12/2013 2:58 PM >>>
> John,
> Little problem, what's with the single quotes?
> 'P5 = P5 + [numMileage]
> P5 = P5 + " miles. Said witness is entitled to a sum of "
> 'P5 = P5 + [curMileage]
>
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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Tue Mar 12 14:56:24 2013
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 15:56:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Big Problem & Little Problem - Live Date Tomorrow
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I think I've found it...I THINK!!!
 
I had a setting in the default value for that field, which actually called a procedure, and that procedure calculated the number. I took it OUT of default value, and called that procedure after INPUT of the mileage, which is the last field before you run the report. When you run the report, it actually closes the form, so it will, I'm sure, go into the DB at that time. It seems to work. In the morning, I'll put the new version on their PCs and I'll have them run a quick test of that duplicate entry again. 
 
Thank you all for your input...it almost always helps w/I ask a question here. More times than not, one of you has the answer...but, sometimes just "talking it out" w/y'all helps lead me there anyhow. 

>>> "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> 3/12/2013 3:49 PM >>>
Where is that number stored?  It should be incremented immediately when the
user creates to the new record.  If it's calculated by adding one to the
biggest existing number, then the record needs to be saved immediately.

R


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 11:50 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Big Problem & Little Problem - Live Date Tomorrow

I've had this program in the users' hands since last week. They were to run
it through some tests, and we intended to go live on Wednesday...Tomorrow!
In their testing, they found two things...one that I just didn't think of,
and another that I overlooked...a problem I knew about at one time, and just
glossed over. In my defense, this is the program, if y'all remember, that I
wrote 3 yrs ago, and they're just now getting around to using...I may have
even had a fix out there at that time, but have now forgotten about it. 

Big Problem first...

When a user goes into this application's main form, they enter a witness'
name, and at that time a voucher number is created...basically sequential,
built off the date...if I did one now it might be 130001, the next would be
130002, all the way to 139999, and then in 2014 the numbers would start
anew. 

During testing two users went in at the same exact time and both began
entering a voucher at the same time. It assigned 130009 to both of their
subjects. This is a problem for more than one reason. First of all, we just
can't have it. But, if we could get over it, it only prints the one record,
even though they are both in there. 

This number is assigned right away, but it isn't in the DB until the record
input is complete. So, in the minute or two that one clerk is entering data,
another could very well get in and grab the same number...the previous not
being "dedicated" yet, and the latter would gain the same number. What I am
thinking of doing...I'm trying it as soon as I'm out of this email...is to
hold off on assigning the number until the record is done. But, I wanted to
put this out there and ask for your advice. 


Littler Problem now...

The whole purpose of this DB is to create a printed voucher for a witness to
take to the treasurer's dept and get paid for their time and mileage. Way
back w/I was first doing this, someone right on this very list gave me the
idea of putting all the text together via code, and then printing out the
sections of text. This worked awesome actually and I'm happy I went that
way. But, it my final section it is suppose to include two numbers...mileage
and amt owed. I, for some reason, am unable to mix these...text and
numbers...type mismatch.

Here is the code...

'************ Setup text for 5th paragraph
P5 = "I, the undersigned Clerk of Niagara County and the aforesaid court, do
certify that "
P5 = P5 + [txtWitFName] & " " & [txtWitLName]
P5 = P5 + ", attended 1 day(s) upon request of the District Attorney and
traveled "
'P5 = P5 + [numMileage]
P5 = P5 + " miles. Said witness is entitled to a sum of "
'P5 = P5 + [curMileage]
P5 = P5 + "payment in full of witness fees."

The problems come on the 4th...and I'm presuming the 6th...lines. Later,
when I put it together, the final line of that section reads,
"Me.lblParaFive.Caption = P5" 

I'm sweatin' it a little bit here. I am at the end of my day, and they'll be
running these at around 10:30 AM tomorrow. I'll probably stay a little later
tonight...OT is frowned upon though (don't ask), so I don't know how that
will go either. 

Any help will be greatly appreciated!

Thank you ahead of time...John Clark

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From dbdoug at gmail.com  Tue Mar 12 14:57:13 2013
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 12:57:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access and SQL Server - Where is the work done - How
 Many Rows are Shipped Across the Network
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Thanks for the comments, John.  I have the luxury of being dbowner of the
Access databases that I'm converting to SQL back ends, so once I've
converted a big query to SQL I just run it as a stored proc.

Doug


On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 12:13 PM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> I may turn them into SPs, but probably not.  I inherited an Access
> database with a set of about 32 queries, consisting of three "sets" each
> building a temp table (in access), and at the very end the tables were
> joined to create a result set which is exported to form the basis of a
> merge letter.
>
> The total thing took about 10 minutes to run.  I am slowly working my way
> through the queries, turning each into a CTE in a single query which
> basically replaces the first temp table.  It is just painstaking work and
> to this point I am always moving the built up data into a PTE back in
> Access simply because it works and that PTQ can be joined to other queries.
>  The PTO I just finished takes 2 seconds to run vs 120 seconds for the
> Access query mess it replaces.
>
> The PTO is STILL a mess, but the mess is a bunch of common table
> expressions in a single query, at the very end referencing each other in
> the same manner that the query mess back in access does. IOW I have moved
> each subquery into a CTE and then joined those CTEs in the PTQ.
>
> It turns out that a pass through query whose SQL takes perhaps 2 seconds
> in SQL Server directly, only takes perhaps 5 seconds as a PTQ back in
> Access.
>
> Eventually I hope to have the entire thing be a single query out in SQL
> Server but I have to constantly compare it back to the original to make
> sure that it gets the same data.
>
> The problem that I have with eventually moving it entirely into SQL Server
> is that in my environment, I work in a copy of the real server.  The server
> has perhaps a hundred databases, each database can have hundreds of tables
> and views.  In order to create anything permanent out in SQL Server I have
> to not only create it out there, but get permission to make the same
> changes to the "real" production server (and a quality server and a user
> testing server).  IOW I can create a PT query qhich has SQL which
> references SomeDb.dbo.SomeTbl.SomeField and build up SQL that way.  Once it
> runs out in SSMS I simply cut and copy that into Access and don't even save
> the original out in SSMS.  Access acts as the repository of SQL which I
> can't actually (or easily) store out in production land.
>
>
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 3/12/2013 1:25 PM, Doug Steele wrote:
>
>> Hi John:
>>
>> I'm interested that you aren't using stored procedures to run the queries
>> on the SQL server back end.  Do you have any comments?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Doug
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 10:11 AM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  I am in the process of converting local queries to pass through queries.
>>>   In order to do that I have to go construct the queries in SSMS, get it
>>> working, then pull the SQL back into Access, place it in the PTQ and save
>>> it.  Once I do that, the entire thing is run on SQL Server and only data
>>> returned.
>>>
>>> If the query is written in Access then "selection" data will be shipped
>>> just to decide what actual data needs to be pulled.  In general Access
>>> pulls both sides of joins and all fields in where clauses.  That is used
>>> to
>>> then ask for specific rows.
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>>
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/12/2013 12:12 PM, Brad Marks wrote:
>>>
>>>  All,
>>>>
>>>> This is just a curiosity question.
>>>>
>>>> Let's say that I have an Access application that obtains data from a SQL
>>>> Server database via ODBC.
>>>>
>>>> There are 1,000,000 rows in one of the SQL Server tables.
>>>>
>>>> There is a query in the Access application that returns 100 rows from
>>>> this table based on the "Where" condition in the query.
>>>>
>>>> I would guess that the "heavy lifting" is being done by the SQL Server
>>>> database box and only 100 rows are shipped back to the Access
>>>> application
>>>> on the PC.
>>>>
>>>> Is this correct?
>>>>
>>>> Is this always the case, or is it possible that all of the 1,000,000
>>>> rows
>>>> are sent back to the Access application depending on the complexity of
>>>> the
>>>> SQL?
>>>>
>>>> Again, these are just curiosity questions.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Brad
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From DnoD at aol.com  Tue Mar 12 14:58:33 2013
From: DnoD at aol.com (Dean Davids)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 15:58:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Big Problem & Little Problem - Live Date Tomorrow
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I have done this, using a preferences table to save persisted information such as invoice number or estimate number. I would save the next available number to the table immediately on retrieving the current value for my record.

Dean Davids

On Mar 12, 2013, at 3:49 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Where is that number stored?  It should be incremented immediately when the
> user creates to the new record.  If it's calculated by adding one to the
> biggest existing number, then the record needs to be saved immediately.
> 
> R
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 11:50 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Big Problem & Little Problem - Live Date Tomorrow
> 
> I've had this program in the users' hands since last week. They were to run
> it through some tests, and we intended to go live on Wednesday...Tomorrow!
> In their testing, they found two things...one that I just didn't think of,
> and another that I overlooked...a problem I knew about at one time, and just
> glossed over. In my defense, this is the program, if y'all remember, that I
> wrote 3 yrs ago, and they're just now getting around to using...I may have
> even had a fix out there at that time, but have now forgotten about it. 
> 
> Big Problem first...
> 
> When a user goes into this application's main form, they enter a witness'
> name, and at that time a voucher number is created...basically sequential,
> built off the date...if I did one now it might be 130001, the next would be
> 130002, all the way to 139999, and then in 2014 the numbers would start
> anew. 
> 
> During testing two users went in at the same exact time and both began
> entering a voucher at the same time. It assigned 130009 to both of their
> subjects. This is a problem for more than one reason. First of all, we just
> can't have it. But, if we could get over it, it only prints the one record,
> even though they are both in there. 
> 
> This number is assigned right away, but it isn't in the DB until the record
> input is complete. So, in the minute or two that one clerk is entering data,
> another could very well get in and grab the same number...the previous not
> being "dedicated" yet, and the latter would gain the same number. What I am
> thinking of doing...I'm trying it as soon as I'm out of this email...is to
> hold off on assigning the number until the record is done. But, I wanted to
> put this out there and ask for your advice. 
> 
> 
> Littler Problem now...
> 
> The whole purpose of this DB is to create a printed voucher for a witness to
> take to the treasurer's dept and get paid for their time and mileage. Way
> back w/I was first doing this, someone right on this very list gave me the
> idea of putting all the text together via code, and then printing out the
> sections of text. This worked awesome actually and I'm happy I went that
> way. But, it my final section it is suppose to include two numbers...mileage
> and amt owed. I, for some reason, am unable to mix these...text and
> numbers...type mismatch.
> 
> Here is the code...
> 
> '************ Setup text for 5th paragraph
> P5 = "I, the undersigned Clerk of Niagara County and the aforesaid court, do
> certify that "
> P5 = P5 + [txtWitFName] & " " & [txtWitLName]
> P5 = P5 + ", attended 1 day(s) upon request of the District Attorney and
> traveled "
> 'P5 = P5 + [numMileage]
> P5 = P5 + " miles. Said witness is entitled to a sum of "
> 'P5 = P5 + [curMileage]
> P5 = P5 + "payment in full of witness fees."
> 
> The problems come on the 4th...and I'm presuming the 6th...lines. Later,
> when I put it together, the final line of that section reads,
> "Me.lblParaFive.Caption = P5" 
> 
> I'm sweatin' it a little bit here. I am at the end of my day, and they'll be
> running these at around 10:30 AM tomorrow. I'll probably stay a little later
> tonight...OT is frowned upon though (don't ask), so I don't know how that
> will go either. 
> 
> Any help will be greatly appreciated!
> 
> Thank you ahead of time...John Clark
> 
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From jm.hwsn at gmail.com  Tue Mar 12 15:12:04 2013
From: jm.hwsn at gmail.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 15:12:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 3 month moving total
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You could filter the data using the MONTH(date) function.
e.g. in the criteria of the query you can put something like >=
month(now())-3
you probably have to have the date field of the data in month format but
that's not too difficult.
HTH
Jim
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Kaup, Chester <
Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com> wrote:

> I was wondering if it is possible to create a 3 month moving total in a
> query. I have had no luck in finding an answer in any searches. Below is
> some sample data and what the results should be. Thanks for any ideas.
>
> SAMPLE DATA
> Well       Date                      Oil
> 1              1/1/2012              10
> 1              2/1/2012              14
> 1              3/1/2012              8
> 1              4/1/2012              11
> 1              5/1/2012              9
> 1              6/1/2012              13
> 1              7/1/2012              12
> 2              1/1/2012              7
> 2              2/1/2012              20
> 2              3/1/2012              18
> 2              4/1/2012              5
> 2              5/1/2012              9
> 2              6/1/2012              10
> 2              7/1/2012              14
>
> INTENDED RESULTS
> 1              3/1/2012              32
> 1              4/1/2012              33
> 1              5/1/2012              28
> 1              6/1/2012              33
> 1              7/1/2012              34
> 2              3/1/2012              45
> 2              4/1/2012              43
> etc
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>

From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Tue Mar 12 15:42:42 2013
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 13:42:42 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] 3 month moving total
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I don't think the intended results are correct.

You can get a result like this:

Well    YearNo    Qtr    OilSum
1    2012    1    32
1    2012    2    33
1    2012    3    12
2    2012    1    45
2    2012    2    24
2    2012    3    14

By Creating a Qtr table (you can also create a function to do this)
such as:
PKID (AutoNumber)
Qtr (Number)
MonthNo (Number)

values should be:
1,1
1,2
1,3
2,4
2,5
2,6
3,7
3,8
3,9
4,10
4,11
4,12

Then create a query such as:
SELECT A.Well, A.YearNo, Qtr, SUM(Oil) AS OilSum
 FROM
(SELECT tblSomeTable.Well, tblSomeTable.SomeDate, tblSomeTable.Oil,
Year(SomeDate) AS YearNo, Month([SomeDate]) AS MonthNo
FROM tblSomeTable) A
INNER JOIN tblQtr B ON A.MonthNo = B.MonthNo
GROUP BY Well, YearNo, Qtr
;

If you don't want to show incomplete quarters, you can add a column to
tblQtr called QtrCounter and put a value of 1 in each row

Modify the SQL to:
SELECT A.Well, A.YearNo, B.Qtr, Sum(A.Oil) AS OilSum, Sum(B.QtrCounter) AS
CtrSum
FROM (SELECT tblSomeTable.Well, tblSomeTable.SomeDate, tblSomeTable.Oil,
Year(SomeDate) AS YearNo, Month([SomeDate]) AS MonthNo FROM tblSomeTable)
AS A INNER JOIN tblQtr AS B ON A.MonthNo = B.MonthNo
GROUP BY A.Well, A.YearNo, B.Qtr;

and your results show like this:
Well    YearNo    Qtr    OilSum    CtrSum
1    2012    1    32    3
1    2012    2    33    3
1    2012    3    12    1
2    2012    1    45    3
2    2012    2    24    3
2    2012    3    14    1

Now you can opt to filter out where CtrSum <3

SELECT A.Well, A.YearNo, B.Qtr, Sum(A.Oil) AS OilSum, Sum(B.QtrCounter) AS
CtrSum
FROM (SELECT tblSomeTable.Well, tblSomeTable.SomeDate, tblSomeTable.Oil,
Year(SomeDate) AS YearNo, Month([SomeDate]) AS MonthNo FROM tblSomeTable)
AS A INNER JOIN tblQtr AS B ON A.MonthNo = B.MonthNo
GROUP BY A.Well, A.YearNo, B.Qtr
HAVING (((Sum(B.QtrCounter))=3));


Well    YearNo    Qtr    OilSum
1    2012    1    32
1    2012    2    33
2    2012    1    45
2    2012    2    24

HTH
David






On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Kaup, Chester <
Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com> wrote:

> I was wondering if it is possible to create a 3 month moving total in a
> query. I have had no luck in finding an answer in any searches. Below is
> some sample data and what the results should be. Thanks for any ideas.
>
> SAMPLE DATA
> Well       Date                      Oil
> 1              1/1/2012              10
> 1              2/1/2012              14
> 1              3/1/2012              8
> 1              4/1/2012              11
> 1              5/1/2012              9
> 1              6/1/2012              13
> 1              7/1/2012              12
> 2              1/1/2012              7
> 2              2/1/2012              20
> 2              3/1/2012              18
> 2              4/1/2012              5
> 2              5/1/2012              9
> 2              6/1/2012              10
> 2              7/1/2012              14
>
> INTENDED RESULTS
> 1              3/1/2012              32
> 1              4/1/2012              33
> 1              5/1/2012              28
> 1              6/1/2012              33
> 1              7/1/2012              34
> 2              3/1/2012              45
> 2              4/1/2012              43
> etc
>

From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Mar 12 15:53:12 2013
From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 20:53:12 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Big Problem & Little Problem - Live Date Tomorrow
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That I'd agree with
User requests open form = create 'record' and post the use of the number 
onto the database table, with an 'empty' marker
Commit
Then present the form with the number for user entry
Take input and commit it,  replacing 'empty' marker with 'updated, or 
'deleted' marker
ensure id of actioner and timestamp of entry posted.
That way you have a record of the entry attempt, and the action(s) on that 
entry.

JimB

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Big Problem & Little Problem - Live Date Tomorrow


> Where is that number stored?  It should be incremented immediately when 
> the
> user creates to the new record.  If it's calculated by adding one to the
> biggest existing number, then the record needs to be saved immediately.
>
> R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 11:50 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Big Problem & Little Problem - Live Date Tomorrow
>
> I've had this program in the users' hands since last week. They were to 
> run
> it through some tests, and we intended to go live on Wednesday...Tomorrow!
> In their testing, they found two things...one that I just didn't think of,
> and another that I overlooked...a problem I knew about at one time, and 
> just
> glossed over. In my defense, this is the program, if y'all remember, that 
> I
> wrote 3 yrs ago, and they're just now getting around to using...I may have
> even had a fix out there at that time, but have now forgotten about it.
>
> Big Problem first...
>
> When a user goes into this application's main form, they enter a witness'
> name, and at that time a voucher number is created...basically sequential,
> built off the date...if I did one now it might be 130001, the next would 
> be
> 130002, all the way to 139999, and then in 2014 the numbers would start
> anew.
>
> During testing two users went in at the same exact time and both began
> entering a voucher at the same time. It assigned 130009 to both of their
> subjects. This is a problem for more than one reason. First of all, we 
> just
> can't have it. But, if we could get over it, it only prints the one 
> record,
> even though they are both in there.
>
> This number is assigned right away, but it isn't in the DB until the 
> record
> input is complete. So, in the minute or two that one clerk is entering 
> data,
> another could very well get in and grab the same number...the previous not
> being "dedicated" yet, and the latter would gain the same number. What I 
> am
> thinking of doing...I'm trying it as soon as I'm out of this email...is to
> hold off on assigning the number until the record is done. But, I wanted 
> to
> put this out there and ask for your advice.
>
>
> Littler Problem now...
>
> The whole purpose of this DB is to create a printed voucher for a witness 
> to
> take to the treasurer's dept and get paid for their time and mileage. Way
> back w/I was first doing this, someone right on this very list gave me the
> idea of putting all the text together via code, and then printing out the
> sections of text. This worked awesome actually and I'm happy I went that
> way. But, it my final section it is suppose to include two 
> numbers...mileage
> and amt owed. I, for some reason, am unable to mix these...text and
> numbers...type mismatch.
>
> Here is the code...
>
> '************ Setup text for 5th paragraph
> P5 = "I, the undersigned Clerk of Niagara County and the aforesaid court, 
> do
> certify that "
> P5 = P5 + [txtWitFName] & " " & [txtWitLName]
> P5 = P5 + ", attended 1 day(s) upon request of the District Attorney and
> traveled "
> 'P5 = P5 + [numMileage]
> P5 = P5 + " miles. Said witness is entitled to a sum of "
> 'P5 = P5 + [curMileage]
> P5 = P5 + "payment in full of witness fees."
>
> The problems come on the 4th...and I'm presuming the 6th...lines. Later,
> when I put it together, the final line of that section reads,
> "Me.lblParaFive.Caption = P5"
>
> I'm sweatin' it a little bit here. I am at the end of my day, and they'll 
> be
> running these at around 10:30 AM tomorrow. I'll probably stay a little 
> later
> tonight...OT is frowned upon though (don't ask), so I don't know how that
> will go either.
>
> Any help will be greatly appreciated!
>
> Thank you ahead of time...John Clark
>
> Notice: This electronic transmission is intended for the sole use of the
> individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain 
> confidential,
> privileged or otherwise legally protected information. If you are not the
> intended recipient, or if you believe you are not the intended recipient,
> you are hereby notified that any use, disclosure, copying, distribution, 
> or
> the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this information, 
> is
> strictly prohibited. Niagara County is not responsible for the content of
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> IMMEDIATELY BY EMAIL AND DELETE THE ORIGINAL MESSAGE ALONG WITH ANY PAPER 
> OR
> ELECTRONIC COPIES.
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>
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Tue Mar 12 16:08:50 2013
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 21:08:50 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] 3 month moving total
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWa+YAOnxHRJTZ1UBnMvQ4pF4yszB8ODhtije9ZM3WCytA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB071D7766@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>
	<CAMhYZWa+YAOnxHRJTZ1UBnMvQ4pF4yszB8ODhtije9ZM3WCytA@mail.gmail.com>
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I probably did not make it clear. I am looking for a total each month of the current month and the prior 2 months. For example March will be a total of January, February and March. April will be a total of February, March and April. Thank all.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 3:43 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] 3 month moving total

I don't think the intended results are correct.

You can get a result like this:

Well    YearNo    Qtr    OilSum
1    2012    1    32
1    2012    2    33
1    2012    3    12
2    2012    1    45
2    2012    2    24
2    2012    3    14

By Creating a Qtr table (you can also create a function to do this) such as:
PKID (AutoNumber)
Qtr (Number)
MonthNo (Number)

values should be:
1,1
1,2
1,3
2,4
2,5
2,6
3,7
3,8
3,9
4,10
4,11
4,12

Then create a query such as:
SELECT A.Well, A.YearNo, Qtr, SUM(Oil) AS OilSum  FROM (SELECT tblSomeTable.Well, tblSomeTable.SomeDate, tblSomeTable.Oil,
Year(SomeDate) AS YearNo, Month([SomeDate]) AS MonthNo FROM tblSomeTable) A INNER JOIN tblQtr B ON A.MonthNo = B.MonthNo GROUP BY Well, YearNo, Qtr ;

If you don't want to show incomplete quarters, you can add a column to tblQtr called QtrCounter and put a value of 1 in each row

Modify the SQL to:
SELECT A.Well, A.YearNo, B.Qtr, Sum(A.Oil) AS OilSum, Sum(B.QtrCounter) AS CtrSum FROM (SELECT tblSomeTable.Well, tblSomeTable.SomeDate, tblSomeTable.Oil,
Year(SomeDate) AS YearNo, Month([SomeDate]) AS MonthNo FROM tblSomeTable) AS A INNER JOIN tblQtr AS B ON A.MonthNo = B.MonthNo GROUP BY A.Well, A.YearNo, B.Qtr;

and your results show like this:
Well    YearNo    Qtr    OilSum    CtrSum
1    2012    1    32    3
1    2012    2    33    3
1    2012    3    12    1
2    2012    1    45    3
2    2012    2    24    3
2    2012    3    14    1

Now you can opt to filter out where CtrSum <3

SELECT A.Well, A.YearNo, B.Qtr, Sum(A.Oil) AS OilSum, Sum(B.QtrCounter) AS CtrSum FROM (SELECT tblSomeTable.Well, tblSomeTable.SomeDate, tblSomeTable.Oil,
Year(SomeDate) AS YearNo, Month([SomeDate]) AS MonthNo FROM tblSomeTable) AS A INNER JOIN tblQtr AS B ON A.MonthNo = B.MonthNo GROUP BY A.Well, A.YearNo, B.Qtr HAVING (((Sum(B.QtrCounter))=3));


Well    YearNo    Qtr    OilSum
1    2012    1    32
1    2012    2    33
2    2012    1    45
2    2012    2    24

HTH
David






On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Kaup, Chester < Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com> wrote:

> I was wondering if it is possible to create a 3 month moving total in 
> a query. I have had no luck in finding an answer in any searches. 
> Below is some sample data and what the results should be. Thanks for any ideas.
>
> SAMPLE DATA
> Well       Date                      Oil
> 1              1/1/2012              10
> 1              2/1/2012              14
> 1              3/1/2012              8
> 1              4/1/2012              11
> 1              5/1/2012              9
> 1              6/1/2012              13
> 1              7/1/2012              12
> 2              1/1/2012              7
> 2              2/1/2012              20
> 2              3/1/2012              18
> 2              4/1/2012              5
> 2              5/1/2012              9
> 2              6/1/2012              10
> 2              7/1/2012              14
>
> INTENDED RESULTS
> 1              3/1/2012              32
> 1              4/1/2012              33
> 1              5/1/2012              28
> 1              6/1/2012              33
> 1              7/1/2012              34
> 2              3/1/2012              45
> 2              4/1/2012              43
> etc
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Mar 12 16:52:26 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 07:52:26 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access and SQL Server - Where is the work done - How
	Many Rows are Shipped Across the Network
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3DE@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <201302222259.r1MMxnsG001576@databaseadvisors.com>,
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3DE@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <513FA39A.27633.A946554A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Several different answers given.  Jim Dettman wins the prize for best answer :-)

-- 
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On 12 Mar 2013 at 11:12, Brad Marks wrote:

> All,
> 
> This is just a curiosity question.
> 
> Let's say that I have an Access application that obtains data from a SQL Server database via ODBC.
> 
> There are 1,000,000 rows in one of the SQL Server tables.
> 
> There is a query in the Access application that returns 100 rows from this table based on the "Where" condition in the query.
> 
> I would guess that the "heavy lifting" is being done by the SQL Server database box and only 100 rows are shipped back to the Access application on the PC.
> 
> Is this correct?
> 
> Is this always the case, or is it possible that all of the 1,000,000 rows are sent back to the Access application depending on the complexity of the SQL?
> 
> Again, these are just curiosity questions.
> 
> Thanks,
> Brad  
> 
> 
> 
> 



From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Tue Mar 12 17:19:49 2013
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 15:19:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] 3 month moving total
In-Reply-To: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB071D77DF@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB071D7766@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>
	<CAMhYZWa+YAOnxHRJTZ1UBnMvQ4pF4yszB8ODhtije9ZM3WCytA@mail.gmail.com>
	<8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB071D77DF@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWYFRoeBZibGKA=y4SVCuWTaOnCpiNkTfQO=-yV1mzVZXw@mail.gmail.com>

SELECT qryBase.Well, qryBase.SomeDate, qryBase.OilSumm AS CurrOil,
Nz(PrevMonth.OilSumm,0) AS PrevOil, Nz([TwoMonthsAgo].[OilSumm],0) AS
PrevOil2, ([CurrOil]+[PrevOil]+[PrevOil2]) AS ThreeMonthOil
FROM (qryBase LEFT JOIN qryBase AS PrevMonth ON (qryBase.SomeDate =
PrevMonth.NextMonth) AND (qryBase.Well = PrevMonth.Well)) LEFT JOIN qryBase
AS TwoMonthsAgo ON (qryBase.SomeDate = TwoMonthsAgo.TwoMonths) AND
(qryBase.Well = TwoMonthsAgo.Well)
ORDER BY qryBase.Well, qryBase.SomeDate;


QryBase:
SELECT tblSomeTable.Well, tblSomeTable.SomeDate, Sum(tblSomeTable.Oil) AS
OilSumm, DateAdd("m",1,[SomeDate]) AS NextMonth, DateAdd("m",2,[SomeDate])
AS TwoMonths
FROM tblSomeTable
GROUP BY tblSomeTable.Well, tblSomeTable.SomeDate,
DateAdd("m",1,[SomeDate]), DateAdd("m",2,[SomeDate])
ORDER BY tblSomeTable.Well, tblSomeTable.SomeDate;


You could probably do something easier using Dsum, but this is what I could
spit out in the short time that I had.

D

On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Kaup, Chester <
Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com> wrote:

> I probably did not make it clear. I am looking for a total each month of
> the current month and the prior 2 months. For example March will be a total
> of January, February and March. April will be a total of February, March
> and April. Thank all.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 3:43 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] 3 month moving total
>
> I don't think the intended results are correct.
>
> You can get a result like this:
>
> Well    YearNo    Qtr    OilSum
> 1    2012    1    32
> 1    2012    2    33
> 1    2012    3    12
> 2    2012    1    45
> 2    2012    2    24
> 2    2012    3    14
>
> By Creating a Qtr table (you can also create a function to do this) such
> as:
> PKID (AutoNumber)
> Qtr (Number)
> MonthNo (Number)
>
> values should be:
> 1,1
> 1,2
> 1,3
> 2,4
> 2,5
> 2,6
> 3,7
> 3,8
> 3,9
> 4,10
> 4,11
> 4,12
>
> Then create a query such as:
> SELECT A.Well, A.YearNo, Qtr, SUM(Oil) AS OilSum  FROM (SELECT
> tblSomeTable.Well, tblSomeTable.SomeDate, tblSomeTable.Oil,
> Year(SomeDate) AS YearNo, Month([SomeDate]) AS MonthNo FROM tblSomeTable)
> A INNER JOIN tblQtr B ON A.MonthNo = B.MonthNo GROUP BY Well, YearNo, Qtr ;
>
> If you don't want to show incomplete quarters, you can add a column to
> tblQtr called QtrCounter and put a value of 1 in each row
>
> Modify the SQL to:
> SELECT A.Well, A.YearNo, B.Qtr, Sum(A.Oil) AS OilSum, Sum(B.QtrCounter) AS
> CtrSum FROM (SELECT tblSomeTable.Well, tblSomeTable.SomeDate,
> tblSomeTable.Oil,
> Year(SomeDate) AS YearNo, Month([SomeDate]) AS MonthNo FROM tblSomeTable)
> AS A INNER JOIN tblQtr AS B ON A.MonthNo = B.MonthNo GROUP BY A.Well,
> A.YearNo, B.Qtr;
>
> and your results show like this:
> Well    YearNo    Qtr    OilSum    CtrSum
> 1    2012    1    32    3
> 1    2012    2    33    3
> 1    2012    3    12    1
> 2    2012    1    45    3
> 2    2012    2    24    3
> 2    2012    3    14    1
>
> Now you can opt to filter out where CtrSum <3
>
> SELECT A.Well, A.YearNo, B.Qtr, Sum(A.Oil) AS OilSum, Sum(B.QtrCounter) AS
> CtrSum FROM (SELECT tblSomeTable.Well, tblSomeTable.SomeDate,
> tblSomeTable.Oil,
> Year(SomeDate) AS YearNo, Month([SomeDate]) AS MonthNo FROM tblSomeTable)
> AS A INNER JOIN tblQtr AS B ON A.MonthNo = B.MonthNo GROUP BY A.Well,
> A.YearNo, B.Qtr HAVING (((Sum(B.QtrCounter))=3));
>
>
> Well    YearNo    Qtr    OilSum
> 1    2012    1    32
> 1    2012    2    33
> 2    2012    1    45
> 2    2012    2    24
>
> HTH
> David
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Kaup, Chester <
> Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com> wrote:
>
> > I was wondering if it is possible to create a 3 month moving total in
> > a query. I have had no luck in finding an answer in any searches.
> > Below is some sample data and what the results should be. Thanks for any
> ideas.
> >
> > SAMPLE DATA
> > Well       Date                      Oil
> > 1              1/1/2012              10
> > 1              2/1/2012              14
> > 1              3/1/2012              8
> > 1              4/1/2012              11
> > 1              5/1/2012              9
> > 1              6/1/2012              13
> > 1              7/1/2012              12
> > 2              1/1/2012              7
> > 2              2/1/2012              20
> > 2              3/1/2012              18
> > 2              4/1/2012              5
> > 2              5/1/2012              9
> > 2              6/1/2012              10
> > 2              7/1/2012              14
> >
> > INTENDED RESULTS
> > 1              3/1/2012              32
> > 1              4/1/2012              33
> > 1              5/1/2012              28
> > 1              6/1/2012              33
> > 1              7/1/2012              34
> > 2              3/1/2012              45
> > 2              4/1/2012              43
> > etc
> >
>

From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Mar 12 17:32:22 2013
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 22:32:22 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT Lync ( was: linking Issue)
In-Reply-To: <513EF30D0200006B0002BC0A@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
References: <00e101ce1c1f$dae18620$90a49260$@cactus.dk>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5436EEC75@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<513EF30D0200006B0002BC0A@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5436EF69F@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Yep, Lync is a VOIP, instant messaging, file sharing application - it also allows you to share applications and your desktop with other users, plus has video call ability etc.  As I said, we use it daily and it has been very good.

We also use Skype heavily as well.  MS will end up merging the two at some stage I suspect.

Cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Wednesday, 13 March 2013 12:19 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Lync ( was: linking Issue)

Unless I am missing something Lync IS VOIP...no?
 
We haven't had a full blown demo of the MS products, but I do hear very good things about them. There is a Gartner report out that basically puts them in the top 3-4 for VOIP solutions. Now, admittedly, there are factors taken into consideration for this report that skews it a bit, but overall the report is pretty good, and I think it is the best non-partial one I've looked at. 
 
All of the competitors now offer pretty much the same stuff, w/a few little caveats and such. This is why I personally am open to jumping away from Cisco. Yes, they are a good company, but if I can get the same features in a much cheaper, much easier managed system...what not?

>>> Darryl Collins <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> 3/11/2013 7:12 PM >>>
We use Lync a lot - it has been very good for us.  Soon it will also be integrated to some degree with Skype (sharing contacts and some functionality I believe - One day MS will probably merge Yammer, Skype and Lync into a single app).

It also has a 'presence' indicator for people so you can see who is available and who isn't.

It is handy in a work environment as you can share screens / apps between one or more users etc.  You can also IM individuals or groups and set up conference calls.  Your presence ties automatically with your outlook calendar, so if you are in a meeting or busy, you show as busy in Lync.

One very cool and freaky things is I can see/talk to Monica (my Wife) via Lync even though she is not part of our work network.  She is on Lync though through her own Office 365 setup for her work.  Yet I can add her to my Lync network, see her presence and we can talk etc - just like Skype.  I didn't know you could do that until recently - I thought Lync was limited to your own network contacts, but apparently not.  

Anyway - it might not be for you, but honestly, unless you had some sort of interest in doing VOIP or IP in general, why would you bother building something bespoke?

Lync
Skype
Or even Yammer

Would all do the job painlessly.  Indeed Skype would do it for minimal cost.

Anyway... Just my thoughts.

Cheers
Darryl.


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Mar 13 04:27:38 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:27:38 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access and SQL Server - Where is the work done - How
	Many Rows are Shipped Across the Network
Message-ID: <003801ce1fcd$01291770$037b4650$@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Shorthand writing? SP, CTE, PTE, PTO, PTQ, IOW, SQL, SSMS ... but John W.
Colby in lieu of JC?

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John W Colby
Sendt: 12. marts 2013 20:13
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Access and SQL Server - Where is the work done - How
Many Rows are Shipped Across the Network

I may turn them into SPs, but probably not.  I inherited an Access database
with a set of about 32 queries, consisting of three "sets" each building a
temp table (in access), and at the very end the tables were joined to create
a result set which is exported to form the basis of a merge letter.

The total thing took about 10 minutes to run.  I am slowly working my way
through the queries, turning each into a CTE in a single query which
basically replaces the first temp table.  It is just painstaking work and to
this point I am always moving the built up data into a PTE back in Access
simply because it works and that PTQ can be joined to other queries.  The
PTO I just finished takes
2 seconds to run vs 120 seconds for the Access query mess it replaces.

The PTO is STILL a mess, but the mess is a bunch of common table expressions
in a single query, at the very end referencing each other in the same manner
that the query mess back in access does. IOW I have moved each subquery into
a CTE and then joined those CTEs in the PTQ.

It turns out that a pass through query whose SQL takes perhaps 2 seconds in
SQL Server directly, only takes perhaps 5 seconds as a PTQ back in Access.

Eventually I hope to have the entire thing be a single query out in SQL
Server but I have to constantly compare it back to the original to make sure
that it gets the same data.

The problem that I have with eventually moving it entirely into SQL Server
is that in my environment, I work in a copy of the real server.  The server
has perhaps a hundred databases, each database can have hundreds of tables
and views.  In order to create anything permanent out in SQL Server I have
to not only create it out there, but get permission to make the same changes
to the "real" production server (and a quality server and a user testing
server).  IOW I can create a PT query qhich has SQL which references
SomeDb.dbo.SomeTbl.SomeField and build up SQL that way.  Once it runs out in
SSMS I simply cut and copy that into Access and don't even save the original
out in SSMS.  Access acts as the repository of SQL which I can't actually
(or easily) store out in production land.

John W. Colby 



From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Wed Mar 13 07:41:19 2013
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 07:41:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access and SQL Server - Where is the work done - How
	Many Rows are Shipped Across the Network
References: <003801ce1fcd$01291770$037b4650$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3E0@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

All,

Thanks for all of the insights into this question.

The answer is more complicated than I had thought.

Brad


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wed 3/13/2013 4:27 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access and SQL Server - Where is the work done - HowMany Rows are Shipped Across the Network
 
Hi John

Shorthand writing? SP, CTE, PTE, PTO, PTQ, IOW, SQL, SSMS ... but John W.
Colby in lieu of JC?

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John W Colby
Sendt: 12. marts 2013 20:13
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Access and SQL Server - Where is the work done - How
Many Rows are Shipped Across the Network

I may turn them into SPs, but probably not.  I inherited an Access database
with a set of about 32 queries, consisting of three "sets" each building a
temp table (in access), and at the very end the tables were joined to create
a result set which is exported to form the basis of a merge letter.

The total thing took about 10 minutes to run.  I am slowly working my way
through the queries, turning each into a CTE in a single query which
basically replaces the first temp table.  It is just painstaking work and to
this point I am always moving the built up data into a PTE back in Access
simply because it works and that PTQ can be joined to other queries.  The
PTO I just finished takes
2 seconds to run vs 120 seconds for the Access query mess it replaces.

The PTO is STILL a mess, but the mess is a bunch of common table expressions
in a single query, at the very end referencing each other in the same manner
that the query mess back in access does. IOW I have moved each subquery into
a CTE and then joined those CTEs in the PTQ.

It turns out that a pass through query whose SQL takes perhaps 2 seconds in
SQL Server directly, only takes perhaps 5 seconds as a PTQ back in Access.

Eventually I hope to have the entire thing be a single query out in SQL
Server but I have to constantly compare it back to the original to make sure
that it gets the same data.

The problem that I have with eventually moving it entirely into SQL Server
is that in my environment, I work in a copy of the real server.  The server
has perhaps a hundred databases, each database can have hundreds of tables
and views.  In order to create anything permanent out in SQL Server I have
to not only create it out there, but get permission to make the same changes
to the "real" production server (and a quality server and a user testing
server).  IOW I can create a PT query qhich has SQL which references
SomeDb.dbo.SomeTbl.SomeField and build up SQL that way.  Once it runs out in
SSMS I simply cut and copy that into Access and don't even save the original
out in SSMS.  Access acts as the repository of SQL which I can't actually
(or easily) store out in production land.

John W. Colby 


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Mar 13 08:11:50 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 14:11:50 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Source control Access
Message-ID: <00e001ce1fec$532268f0$f9673ad0$@cactus.dk>

Hi John (or anyone else)

Or this, Oasis-SVN:

http://oasis-svn.apponic.com/

<quote>
Integrates in your Access-Environment and offers all necessary functions.

As a COM-AddIn, Oasis-SVN fully integrates in your Access-Environment and
offers all necessary functions to save all objects and properties as
separate files.
These files can be managed with almost any Modern versioning system.
</quote>

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
Sendt: 11. marts 2013 19:59
Til: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Source control Access

Hi John

Did you check this out, MS Access SVN:

  http://accesssvn.codeplex.com/

MS Access SVN is a tool to integrate MS Access solutions with svn source
control.

/gustav


> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John W Colby
> Sendt: 1. marts 2013 17:16
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: [AccessD] Source control Access
>
> Working for the Borg, I suddenly have a need to source control my 
> access projects.  Other than the data, everything in Access can be 
> easily dumped to text files, and from there pulled into a source 
> control package.  Before I go redesigning the wheel, I'm asking if 
> anyone out there has this functioning.  And no I will not be using
SourceSafe.
>
> --
> John W. Colby




From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Mar 13 08:37:20 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 09:37:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access and SQL Server - Where is the work done - How
 Many Rows are Shipped Across the Network
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3E0@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <003801ce1fcd$01291770$037b4650$@cactus.dk>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3E0@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <51408110.6020807@gmail.com>

SSMS - SQL Server Management Studio
SP - Stored procedure - a "procedure" stored out in SQL Server which can have parameters passed in 
and can return values or even tables.
PTQ - Pass Through Query - SQL statement designed in SSMS and only executable in SQL Server, but 
stored in Access in a special type of query.  It "passes through" the contained SQL code to SQL Server.
PTO - mis-spelled PTQ
CTE - common table expression.  A subquery inside of a larger query.  CTEs are placed at the top of 
a large query and gather data into recordsets which can then be referenced, joined to etc lby other 
CTEs or by the final SQL Statement.

I have a table of several million loan records, plus many MANY additional tables with other data 
about the loans.  However I have a couple of hundred loans which fall within a 15 day window out 
from today.  So I build a CTELimiting which pulls just the loan number for those few hundred.  Once 
I have that I can join to that CTE to limit other CTEs which are pulling other pieces of the various 
loan databases / table's records.  Instead of pulling a million records to get these fields from 
this table and a million records from that table and a million records from this other table, I join 
to the cte_limiting and only pull the few hundred records from each of those tables.

Because this cte_Limiting is the very first CTE loaded, SQL Server now uses that CTE just as it 
would a view or something, and can join on it etc.  SQL Server takes the "big picture query" and 
compiles it into an execution plan and goers to work processing much smaller chunks of all of these 
various tables.

In the end all of this huge query with several dozen CTEs and a final SELECT from these CTEs joined 
together selects a set of fields from a set of tables and hands back a small set of records with a 
bunch of fields from all over hell and back.  That huge SQL statement is made to work out in SSMS 
and then eventually cut and pasted into a pass through query back in Access.  The difference between 
pulling all of this data into Access and processing all the joins and wheres locally is a couple of 
orders or magnitude faster.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 3/13/2013 8:41 AM, Brad Marks wrote:
> All,
>
> Thanks for all of the insights into this question.
>
> The answer is more complicated than I had thought.
>
> Brad
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wed 3/13/2013 4:27 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access and SQL Server - Where is the work done - HowMany Rows are Shipped Across the Network
>   
> Hi John
>
> Shorthand writing? SP, CTE, PTE, PTO, PTQ, IOW, SQL, SSMS ... but John W.
> Colby in lieu of JC?
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John W Colby
> Sendt: 12. marts 2013 20:13
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Access and SQL Server - Where is the work done - How
> Many Rows are Shipped Across the Network
>
> I may turn them into SPs, but probably not.  I inherited an Access database
> with a set of about 32 queries, consisting of three "sets" each building a
> temp table (in access), and at the very end the tables were joined to create
> a result set which is exported to form the basis of a merge letter.
>
> The total thing took about 10 minutes to run.  I am slowly working my way
> through the queries, turning each into a CTE in a single query which
> basically replaces the first temp table.  It is just painstaking work and to
> this point I am always moving the built up data into a PTE back in Access
> simply because it works and that PTQ can be joined to other queries.  The
> PTO I just finished takes
> 2 seconds to run vs 120 seconds for the Access query mess it replaces.
>
> The PTO is STILL a mess, but the mess is a bunch of common table expressions
> in a single query, at the very end referencing each other in the same manner
> that the query mess back in access does. IOW I have moved each subquery into
> a CTE and then joined those CTEs in the PTQ.
>
> It turns out that a pass through query whose SQL takes perhaps 2 seconds in
> SQL Server directly, only takes perhaps 5 seconds as a PTQ back in Access.
>
> Eventually I hope to have the entire thing be a single query out in SQL
> Server but I have to constantly compare it back to the original to make sure
> that it gets the same data.
>
> The problem that I have with eventually moving it entirely into SQL Server
> is that in my environment, I work in a copy of the real server.  The server
> has perhaps a hundred databases, each database can have hundreds of tables
> and views.  In order to create anything permanent out in SQL Server I have
> to not only create it out there, but get permission to make the same changes
> to the "real" production server (and a quality server and a user testing
> server).  IOW I can create a PT query qhich has SQL which references
> SomeDb.dbo.SomeTbl.SomeField and build up SQL that way.  Once it runs out in
> SSMS I simply cut and copy that into Access and don't even save the original
> out in SSMS.  Access acts as the repository of SQL which I can't actually
> (or easily) store out in production land.
>
> John W. Colby
>
>
>
>


From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Wed Mar 13 09:26:10 2013
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:26:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Update: [WAS] Big Problem & Little Problem - Live Date
 Tomorrow
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Yes, you are correct. I just wasn't concerned w/spacing yet. I don't know what I did, but I had a bit of a double-problem going on, and that led me to abandon the String function prematurely. It is fine now. 
 
Actually, they sent me all new verbiage this late yesterday afternoon, and I changed it before sending the updated copy this morning. They completely re-worded, what is, in my terms, "P5" (paragraph 5). I really don't like how they did it either...it had been short and sweet and universal, but now it is confusing and gender-biased, w/random capitalized words...like the word "Courthouse" and I do not know why. I'm on really good terms w/their office manager, who is also my contact for this project...she and I actually met before either of us worked here, almost 21 yrs ago...we spent a weekend together at a local amusement park/campground...as dates of other people who knew each other. So, I informed her of my distaste for the new verbiage and asked if we could consider changing it. 
 
I only worked an hour over last night, but had most of it done...only this new text to do, which I knew I could whip up in the morning. Once I found the issue, which took about 40 minutes, it only took me about 10 minutes to "fix" it. I ran a quick test and headed home...had to take my daughter out for her birthday dinner last night. It is all going too smooth...I'm waiting for the hammer to drop here! The ran it through some tests this morning, using multiple users and they reported that it "looks great!" I blanked out all the test data and we are live...it wasn't suppose to be until about 10:30 - 11:00, but they actually ended up needing it early this morning...Grand Jury was convened, and witnesses were going through at about 9:30...so far so good. 
 
I don't remember why I did things this way...I do remember there was a reason though! Now that I've got it working, I don't think there is justification to go back and rework it, so I'll probably just leave it alone. 
 
What I would like to do though...I used to hide the Access environment, and I don't know if that can still be done in 2007/2010....anybody know? Can you point me in a direction on this? I like for the users to be "outside of Access"...it seems the "respect" the program a bit more. When I've left things in Access, I tend to get interns and such, messing w/the code. When it doesn't look like Access, it seems to get left alone. 
 
But, I'd like to thank all for helping me out. I guess I panicked a bit soon w/the String conversion issue, but I really needed to work out that duplicate voucher number problem, and this list, once again, came through for me. As I said before, it isn't always the answers that I get directly from other members...God knows I do get plenty of them...but the thing I believe goes a bit unnoticed here, is how "talking it through" can help. For me, I'm in an IT shop where I am really the only programmer...we have "Senior Programmers" here, but they really don't do what I do, and they almost never create, but rather work w/our financial/HR package and do reports and such. I have network guys here, who I do interact with because I do some of that work as well. And, I have field techs here, which I used to do. But, there really isn't anyone to bounce things off of, and this is where this list is so valuable to me. 
 
Anyhow, Thanks to all for helping out!

>>> jack drawbridge <jackandpat.d at gmail.com> 3/12/2013 3:55 PM >>>
John,

You may need a leading space in this line
P5 = P5 + "payment in full of witness fees."


On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 3:51 PM, John Clark <John.Clark at niagaracounty.com>wrote:

> Oh...that is just because I had it commented out so that I could get
> around the problem for testing. I altered them to the form of P5 = P5 +
> Str([numMileage]) though and all was good w/that
>
> >>> RANDALL R ANTHONY <RRANTHON at sentara.com> 3/12/2013 2:58 PM >>>
> John,
> Little problem, what's with the single quotes?
> 'P5 = P5 + [numMileage]
> P5 = P5 + " miles. Said witness is entitled to a sum of "
> 'P5 = P5 + [curMileage]
>
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Wed Mar 13 11:16:18 2013
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 16:16:18 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] 3 month moving total
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Thanks for the help. I will give it a try.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 5:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] 3 month moving total

SELECT qryBase.Well, qryBase.SomeDate, qryBase.OilSumm AS CurrOil,
Nz(PrevMonth.OilSumm,0) AS PrevOil, Nz([TwoMonthsAgo].[OilSumm],0) AS PrevOil2, ([CurrOil]+[PrevOil]+[PrevOil2]) AS ThreeMonthOil FROM (qryBase LEFT JOIN qryBase AS PrevMonth ON (qryBase.SomeDate =
PrevMonth.NextMonth) AND (qryBase.Well = PrevMonth.Well)) LEFT JOIN qryBase AS TwoMonthsAgo ON (qryBase.SomeDate = TwoMonthsAgo.TwoMonths) AND (qryBase.Well = TwoMonthsAgo.Well) ORDER BY qryBase.Well, qryBase.SomeDate;


QryBase:
SELECT tblSomeTable.Well, tblSomeTable.SomeDate, Sum(tblSomeTable.Oil) AS OilSumm, DateAdd("m",1,[SomeDate]) AS NextMonth, DateAdd("m",2,[SomeDate]) AS TwoMonths FROM tblSomeTable GROUP BY tblSomeTable.Well, tblSomeTable.SomeDate, DateAdd("m",1,[SomeDate]), DateAdd("m",2,[SomeDate]) ORDER BY tblSomeTable.Well, tblSomeTable.SomeDate;


You could probably do something easier using Dsum, but this is what I could spit out in the short time that I had.

D

On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Kaup, Chester < Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com> wrote:

> I probably did not make it clear. I am looking for a total each month 
> of the current month and the prior 2 months. For example March will be 
> a total of January, February and March. April will be a total of 
> February, March and April. Thank all.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 3:43 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] 3 month moving total
>
> I don't think the intended results are correct.
>
> You can get a result like this:
>
> Well    YearNo    Qtr    OilSum
> 1    2012    1    32
> 1    2012    2    33
> 1    2012    3    12
> 2    2012    1    45
> 2    2012    2    24
> 2    2012    3    14
>
> By Creating a Qtr table (you can also create a function to do this) 
> such
> as:
> PKID (AutoNumber)
> Qtr (Number)
> MonthNo (Number)
>
> values should be:
> 1,1
> 1,2
> 1,3
> 2,4
> 2,5
> 2,6
> 3,7
> 3,8
> 3,9
> 4,10
> 4,11
> 4,12
>
> Then create a query such as:
> SELECT A.Well, A.YearNo, Qtr, SUM(Oil) AS OilSum  FROM (SELECT 
> tblSomeTable.Well, tblSomeTable.SomeDate, tblSomeTable.Oil,
> Year(SomeDate) AS YearNo, Month([SomeDate]) AS MonthNo FROM 
> tblSomeTable) A INNER JOIN tblQtr B ON A.MonthNo = B.MonthNo GROUP BY 
> Well, YearNo, Qtr ;
>
> If you don't want to show incomplete quarters, you can add a column to 
> tblQtr called QtrCounter and put a value of 1 in each row
>
> Modify the SQL to:
> SELECT A.Well, A.YearNo, B.Qtr, Sum(A.Oil) AS OilSum, 
> Sum(B.QtrCounter) AS CtrSum FROM (SELECT tblSomeTable.Well, 
> tblSomeTable.SomeDate, tblSomeTable.Oil,
> Year(SomeDate) AS YearNo, Month([SomeDate]) AS MonthNo FROM 
> tblSomeTable) AS A INNER JOIN tblQtr AS B ON A.MonthNo = B.MonthNo 
> GROUP BY A.Well, A.YearNo, B.Qtr;
>
> and your results show like this:
> Well    YearNo    Qtr    OilSum    CtrSum
> 1    2012    1    32    3
> 1    2012    2    33    3
> 1    2012    3    12    1
> 2    2012    1    45    3
> 2    2012    2    24    3
> 2    2012    3    14    1
>
> Now you can opt to filter out where CtrSum <3
>
> SELECT A.Well, A.YearNo, B.Qtr, Sum(A.Oil) AS OilSum, 
> Sum(B.QtrCounter) AS CtrSum FROM (SELECT tblSomeTable.Well, 
> tblSomeTable.SomeDate, tblSomeTable.Oil,
> Year(SomeDate) AS YearNo, Month([SomeDate]) AS MonthNo FROM 
> tblSomeTable) AS A INNER JOIN tblQtr AS B ON A.MonthNo = B.MonthNo 
> GROUP BY A.Well, A.YearNo, B.Qtr HAVING (((Sum(B.QtrCounter))=3));
>
>
> Well    YearNo    Qtr    OilSum
> 1    2012    1    32
> 1    2012    2    33
> 2    2012    1    45
> 2    2012    2    24
>
> HTH
> David
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Kaup, Chester < 
> Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com> wrote:
>
> > I was wondering if it is possible to create a 3 month moving total 
> > in a query. I have had no luck in finding an answer in any searches.
> > Below is some sample data and what the results should be. Thanks for 
> > any
> ideas.
> >
> > SAMPLE DATA
> > Well       Date                      Oil
> > 1              1/1/2012              10
> > 1              2/1/2012              14
> > 1              3/1/2012              8
> > 1              4/1/2012              11
> > 1              5/1/2012              9
> > 1              6/1/2012              13
> > 1              7/1/2012              12
> > 2              1/1/2012              7
> > 2              2/1/2012              20
> > 2              3/1/2012              18
> > 2              4/1/2012              5
> > 2              5/1/2012              9
> > 2              6/1/2012              10
> > 2              7/1/2012              14
> >
> > INTENDED RESULTS
> > 1              3/1/2012              32
> > 1              4/1/2012              33
> > 1              5/1/2012              28
> > 1              6/1/2012              33
> > 1              7/1/2012              34
> > 2              3/1/2012              45
> > 2              4/1/2012              43
> > etc
> >
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 13 12:07:57 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:07:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Source control Access
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Hi Gustav:

Just a comment. On the site it says Oasis-SVN is only compatible with
Windows XP, 2000, 98. Is this a problem?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 6:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Source control Access

Hi John (or anyone else)

Or this, Oasis-SVN:

http://oasis-svn.apponic.com/

<quote>
Integrates in your Access-Environment and offers all necessary functions.

As a COM-AddIn, Oasis-SVN fully integrates in your Access-Environment and
offers all necessary functions to save all objects and properties as
separate files.
These files can be managed with almost any Modern versioning system.
</quote>

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
Sendt: 11. marts 2013 19:59
Til: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Source control Access

Hi John

Did you check this out, MS Access SVN:

  http://accesssvn.codeplex.com/

MS Access SVN is a tool to integrate MS Access solutions with svn source
control.

/gustav


> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John W Colby
> Sendt: 1. marts 2013 17:16
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: [AccessD] Source control Access
>
> Working for the Borg, I suddenly have a need to source control my 
> access projects.  Other than the data, everything in Access can be 
> easily dumped to text files, and from there pulled into a source 
> control package.  Before I go redesigning the wheel, I'm asking if 
> anyone out there has this functioning.  And no I will not be using
SourceSafe.
>
> --
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Mar 13 12:16:00 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 18:16:00 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Source control Access
Message-ID: <00fb01ce200e$6eff2910$4cfd7b30$@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

I don't know. I just noticed the page and recalled that JC (John W. Colby)
had asked for such.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 13. marts 2013 18:08
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Source control Access

Hi Gustav:

Just a comment. On the site it says Oasis-SVN is only compatible with
Windows XP, 2000, 98. Is this a problem?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 6:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Source control Access

Hi John (or anyone else)

Or this, Oasis-SVN:

http://oasis-svn.apponic.com/

<quote>
Integrates in your Access-Environment and offers all necessary functions.

As a COM-AddIn, Oasis-SVN fully integrates in your Access-Environment and
offers all necessary functions to save all objects and properties as
separate files.
These files can be managed with almost any Modern versioning system.
</quote>

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
Sendt: 11. marts 2013 19:59
Til: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Source control Access

Hi John

Did you check this out, MS Access SVN:

  http://accesssvn.codeplex.com/

MS Access SVN is a tool to integrate MS Access solutions with svn source
control.

/gustav


> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John W Colby
> Sendt: 1. marts 2013 17:16
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: [AccessD] Source control Access
>
> Working for the Borg, I suddenly have a need to source control my 
> access projects.  Other than the data, everything in Access can be 
> easily dumped to text files, and from there pulled into a source 
> control package.  Before I go redesigning the wheel, I'm asking if 
> anyone out there has this functioning.  And no I will not be using
SourceSafe.
>
> --
> John W. Colby



From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Wed Mar 13 13:20:27 2013
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 14:20:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A97 and Win 7
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References: <00fb01ce200e$6eff2910$4cfd7b30$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <51408B2B0200006B0002BCE5@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>

OK, I am confused. I've been told...definitively...that Access 97 will not run on Win 7...and that it can. So, what is the answer from this group?
 
And, if it can, does it differ between 32 and 64 bit systems?

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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Wed Mar 13 13:37:28 2013
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:37:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Lock Down PC
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All,

Thanks to everyone who shared info on this topic.

It appears that there are several options and it appears that I have a
lot to learn.

Brad




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 2:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Lock Down PC

Jim,

While the notes in that post
<http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10things/10-ways-to-reduce-security-he
adaches-in-a-byod-world/3591?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101&ttag=e101>
Are reasonable, to my view they address the incidental probabilities 
associated with inexperienced, or inept user.

I believe that site security should start from the consideration of both
the 
interloper, and authorised users intending to inappropriately acquire
the 
data held on your system, or to use your systems for their own purposes.


You should expect these 'users' to come with systems that can connect
their 
network to your network, and thus to your data, and some of your users 
working environment and access, and maybe, their probable aim of
controlling 
your admin level.
Maybe considering the password, or even unencrypted access to the
backups 
being a nice neat access point.

Then there is the physical attack possibilities -
Removing a PC, (or just the hard drive) for modification
Attaching a wireless dongle or device with a 32GB microSD - scarcely
larger 
than the hard bit of the USB connector, and certainly smaller than the
cover 
to the cable connection.

Ignoring the possibilities of a screenscraper, or comms monitoring 
application there is still a lot of ways for data on a LAN/WAN, or
server 
facility to be acquired in bulk.

And - as I posted a short while ago, I was working at a site where 
'security' level work was being done, with full physical access
recording 
and control - but someone stole a server (maxi-tower PC sized) - via the

scaffolding errected to allow the window maintenance contractors to do
their 
work.
Well - the building owner had scheduled it as a 5 yearly extra safety & 
maintenance check on the annual cleaning/service, shame the tenant
company 
management didn't consider it needed extra security to be paid for!

JimB

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Lock Down PC


> It seems that the application DeepFreeze is what the colleges and
schools
> are using, all over...even here. Must be a good choice.
>
> Here is an TechRepublic article on how to manage BYOD computers which
is
> what a computer can quickly become if left in the hands and control of
> users:
>
>
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10things/10-ways-to-reduce-security-hea
dach
> es-in-a-byod-world/3591?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101&ttag=e101
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> Fields
> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:14 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Lock Down PC
>
> DeepFreeze is what we use on campus at Northwestern Michigan College,
> too.  Nothing saved on a local computer will still be there after
reboot.
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
> On 3/12/2013 9:44 AM, Jason Strickland wrote:
>> DeepFreeze will lock down PC so that all changes will revert upon
reboot.
>> We use it at work on all of our labs and student laptops.
>> All,
>>
>>
>
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From df.waters at comcast.net  Wed Mar 13 15:32:23 2013
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 15:32:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2003 Style Database Window
Message-ID: <000901ce2029$de4bca60$9ae35f20$@comcast.net>

Hi folks,

 

I've been using a replacement database window for a couple of weeks now, and
I do like it.  It is very similar to the original 2003 database window.
There is a version for Access 2007, and another for Access 2010/2013.

 

What's particularly helpful is that this is a .Net add-in and does not need
to stay within the Access window.  So, I can move the database window to my
right side screen, collapse the navigation pane, and have quite a bit more
real estate to work with.  It also has a few useful options including the
ability to stay on top of all other windows on your desktop.

 

Free at http://www.avenius.de/

 

 

Have Fun!

Dan 

 


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Wed Mar 13 21:22:17 2013
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 19:22:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Source control Access
In-Reply-To: <00e001ce1fec$532268f0$f9673ad0$@cactus.dk>
References: <00e001ce1fec$532268f0$f9673ad0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met-wzNMWOXUr7x=YY8wKs340F4tFPkBsozLTitJXkn5mPw@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting.  Vipre blocks access to the site as a "bad" site.

Charlotte

On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 6:11 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi John (or anyone else)
>
> Or this, Oasis-SVN:
>
> http://oasis-svn.apponic.com/
>
> <quote>
> Integrates in your Access-Environment and offers all necessary functions.
>
> As a COM-AddIn, Oasis-SVN fully integrates in your Access-Environment and
> offers all necessary functions to save all objects and properties as
> separate files.
> These files can be managed with almost any Modern versioning system.
> </quote>
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
> Sendt: 11. marts 2013 19:59
> Til: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Source control Access
>
> Hi John
>
> Did you check this out, MS Access SVN:
>
>   http://accesssvn.codeplex.com/
>
> MS Access SVN is a tool to integrate MS Access solutions with svn source
> control.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John W Colby
> > Sendt: 1. marts 2013 17:16
> > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Emne: [AccessD] Source control Access
> >
> > Working for the Borg, I suddenly have a need to source control my
> > access projects.  Other than the data, everything in Access can be
> > easily dumped to text files, and from there pulled into a source
> > control package.  Before I go redesigning the wheel, I'm asking if
> > anyone out there has this functioning.  And no I will not be using
> SourceSafe.
> >
> > --
> > John W. Colby
>
>
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Mar 13 22:32:00 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 23:32:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Big Problem & Little Problem - Live Date Tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <0F98F3464F3243FDA3FE13ECF966F17D@jamesc319792ae>
References: <201302222259.r1MMxnsG001576@databaseadvisors.com>
	<CAMhYZWZJGptasOcQL3S8wMws25TP90+qNZaC3q=CMnxUZPJUxg@mail.gmail.com>
	<B78CAD96E5BE47BE89A95D52FF9F6730@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3C3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<33734CB7D9204CC48E2896669004A914@XPS>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3C5@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<C3155ECFCCA44C70AD26311C41E36B51@XPS>
	<CAEPJO1jp7MAeV9O=iB0Xmfh76OOxFEDvs5MfTuNUiXqi82qarQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3DB@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<f6f9b5fbf2b648eebc5fe51ac9a66a97@BLUPR04MB040.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAKvidAvwyH3ySzUw-E4AMSkaUL2oK9dzCWv1jtkKq+ZARP8rZg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3DE@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<513F61A9.3030308@gmail.com>
	<CAFa8Nkg9itA4QacOg9KnUJKR_fN5kzKF2r-A+NPTUXWXC5psgQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<513F408E0200006B0002BC58@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
	<9FD227E86AB044079EC77107EB7F0917@HAL9007>
	<0F98F3464F3243FDA3FE13ECF966F17D@jamesc319792ae>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gOk+wqG41BJwyQZH6Y0DwXhL8fJSQHX_eM8EDC8F5yWg@mail.gmail.com>

In similar situations characterized by lots of users and an assigned
number, what I have done is this:

Create a table guaranteed to have exactly one row. Store the number of
interest in a column in said table. The second someone requests a new
number, give it to her and immediately increment the number. Then let the
user go about her business, taking lunch in the middle of data-entry if she
pleases. It won't matter, she's got her number. The record lock is so quick
it's almost not there, and there won't be contention anyway since the first
user in gets the lock, and releases it fractions of a second later.

HTH,
Arthur


On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 4:53 PM, James Button
<jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk>wrote:

> That I'd agree with
> User requests open form = create 'record' and post the use of the number
> onto the database table, with an 'empty' marker
> Commit
> Then present the form with the number for user entry
> Take input and commit it,  replacing 'empty' marker with 'updated, or
> 'deleted' marker
> ensure id of actioner and timestamp of entry posted.
> That way you have a record of the entry attempt, and the action(s) on that
> entry.
>
> JimB
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" <
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 7:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Big Problem & Little Problem - Live Date Tomorrow
>
>
>
>  Where is that number stored?  It should be incremented immediately when
>> the
>> user creates to the new record.  If it's calculated by adding one to the
>> biggest existing number, then the record needs to be saved immediately.
>>
>> R
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>> On Behalf Of John Clark
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 11:50 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] Big Problem & Little Problem - Live Date Tomorrow
>>
>> I've had this program in the users' hands since last week. They were to
>> run
>> it through some tests, and we intended to go live on Wednesday...Tomorrow!
>> In their testing, they found two things...one that I just didn't think of,
>> and another that I overlooked...a problem I knew about at one time, and
>> just
>> glossed over. In my defense, this is the program, if y'all remember, that
>> I
>> wrote 3 yrs ago, and they're just now getting around to using...I may have
>> even had a fix out there at that time, but have now forgotten about it.
>>
>> Big Problem first...
>>
>> When a user goes into this application's main form, they enter a witness'
>> name, and at that time a voucher number is created...basically sequential,
>> built off the date...if I did one now it might be 130001, the next would
>> be
>> 130002, all the way to 139999, and then in 2014 the numbers would start
>> anew.
>>
>> During testing two users went in at the same exact time and both began
>> entering a voucher at the same time. It assigned 130009 to both of their
>> subjects. This is a problem for more than one reason. First of all, we
>> just
>> can't have it. But, if we could get over it, it only prints the one
>> record,
>> even though they are both in there.
>>
>> This number is assigned right away, but it isn't in the DB until the
>> record
>> input is complete. So, in the minute or two that one clerk is entering
>> data,
>> another could very well get in and grab the same number...the previous not
>> being "dedicated" yet, and the latter would gain the same number. What I
>> am
>> thinking of doing...I'm trying it as soon as I'm out of this email...is to
>> hold off on assigning the number until the record is done. But, I wanted
>> to
>> put this out there and ask for your advice.
>>
>>
>> Littler Problem now...
>>
>> The whole purpose of this DB is to create a printed voucher for a witness
>> to
>> take to the treasurer's dept and get paid for their time and mileage. Way
>> back w/I was first doing this, someone right on this very list gave me the
>> idea of putting all the text together via code, and then printing out the
>> sections of text. This worked awesome actually and I'm happy I went that
>> way. But, it my final section it is suppose to include two
>> numbers...mileage
>> and amt owed. I, for some reason, am unable to mix these...text and
>> numbers...type mismatch.
>>
>> Here is the code...
>>
>> '************ Setup text for 5th paragraph
>> P5 = "I, the undersigned Clerk of Niagara County and the aforesaid court,
>> do
>> certify that "
>> P5 = P5 + [txtWitFName] & " " & [txtWitLName]
>> P5 = P5 + ", attended 1 day(s) upon request of the District Attorney and
>> traveled "
>> 'P5 = P5 + [numMileage]
>> P5 = P5 + " miles. Said witness is entitled to a sum of "
>> 'P5 = P5 + [curMileage]
>> P5 = P5 + "payment in full of witness fees."
>>
>> The problems come on the 4th...and I'm presuming the 6th...lines. Later,
>> when I put it together, the final line of that section reads,
>> "Me.lblParaFive.Caption = P5"
>>
>> I'm sweatin' it a little bit here. I am at the end of my day, and they'll
>> be
>> running these at around 10:30 AM tomorrow. I'll probably stay a little
>> later
>> tonight...OT is frowned upon though (don't ask), so I don't know how that
>> will go either.
>>
>> Any help will be greatly appreciated!
>>
>> Thank you ahead of time...John Clark
>>
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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Mar 13 23:42:15 2013
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 23:42:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Source control Access
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met-wzNMWOXUr7x=YY8wKs340F4tFPkBsozLTitJXkn5mPw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00e001ce1fec$532268f0$f9673ad0$@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-wzNMWOXUr7x=YY8wKs340F4tFPkBsozLTitJXkn5mPw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <021701ce206e$4d2cb4f0$e7861ed0$@winhaven.net>

When this happens I use a VM browser, turn of Viper, go to the site and see
what happens. Vipre is very aggressive in its protection and warnings.
Sometimes it's a link or an ad that trigger these warnings.

 

From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 9:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Source control Access

 

Interesting. Vipre blocks access to the site as a "bad" site.

Charlotte

On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 6:11 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi John (or anyone else)
>
> Or this, Oasis-SVN:
>
> VIPRE Anti-phishing removed a known bad URL from your email message. It
was deleted or quarantined and replaced with this message.
>
> <quote>
> Integrates in your Access-Environment and offers all necessary functions.
>
> As a COM-AddIn, Oasis-SVN fully integrates in your Access-Environment and
> offers all necessary functions to save all objects and properties as
> separate files.
> These files can be managed with almost any Modern versioning system.
> </quote>
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P vegne af Gustav Brock
> Sendt: 11. marts 2013 19:59
> Til: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Source control Access
>
> Hi John
>
> Did you check this out, MS Access SVN:
>
> http://accesssvn.codeplex.com/
>
> MS Access SVN is a tool to integrate MS Access solutions with svn source
> control.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P vegne af John W Colby
> > Sendt: 1. marts 2013 17:16
> > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Emne: [AccessD] Source control Access
> >
> > Working for the Borg, I suddenly have a need to source control my
> > access projects. Other than the data, everything in Access can be
> > easily dumped to text files, and from there pulled into a source
> > control package. Before I go redesigning the wheel, I'm asking if
> > anyone out there has this functioning. And no I will not be using
> SourceSafe.
> >
> > --
> > John W. Colby
>
>
>
> --
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bsite:HE


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Thu Mar 14 16:36:34 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 17:36:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] PTW record
Message-ID: <514242E2.8020206@gmail.com>

I am going for the record here.  I have a Pass Through Query which currently has 1006 lines of code 
including comments.  I am commenting heavily as you might imagine.

And no, I do not understand a great deal of it.  Sigh.

But at this point it is returning 544 records in just a few seconds.  The previous query which this 
is meant to replace returned the same records in somewhere north of 10 minutes.  How far north I 
will post when I get around to comparing my results to the old results.

-- 
John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Mar 14 19:04:46 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 20:04:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] PTW record
In-Reply-To: <514242E2.8020206@gmail.com>
References: <514242E2.8020206@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gR3a-sxHGSqnTr4Ws0cGLHQ9pqQgnzoD_QDRgj20v8mA@mail.gmail.com>

I'm a big fan of PTQs, too. In the absence of ADPs, which work only with MS
SQL, PTQs are a godsend


On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 5:36 PM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am going for the record here.  I have a Pass Through Query which
> currently has 1006 lines of code including comments.  I am commenting
> heavily as you might imagine.
>
> And no, I do not understand a great deal of it.  Sigh.
>
> But at this point it is returning 544 records in just a few seconds.  The
> previous query which this is meant to replace returned the same records in
> somewhere north of 10 minutes.  How far north I will post when I get around
> to comparing my results to the old results.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Mar 14 20:12:10 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 21:12:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Force a form into a particular mode.
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hDaQpssRbHM+1XLusrvWB4x+hiay5MLmGfL9TDtNhsNA@mail.gmail.com>

I can't remember how to do it. I want to put it in the form-open or
form-load event.

TIA,
-- 
Arthur

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Mar 14 20:32:29 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 21:32:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Search a subform from a parent form
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gMb=9o_f7aUNxk-i-Wadx5N5N6ciWepQpP1DpH+gh3mw@mail.gmail.com>

The combo box wizard lets you build a "finder" very easily. I want one of
those, only I want it located on this form's parent. In other words, even
though the finder is on the parent, I want it to search the subform.

There's code in the subform to accept an argument and do the search. I've
declared  that procedure public. What is the syntax for calling that
procedure from the parent? Call SubformName.ProcName(arg)? Am I close?

TIA,
-- 
Arthur

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Thu Mar 14 20:36:36 2013
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 18:36:36 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Search a subform from a parent form
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gMb=9o_f7aUNxk-i-Wadx5N5N6ciWepQpP1DpH+gh3mw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gMb=9o_f7aUNxk-i-Wadx5N5N6ciWepQpP1DpH+gh3mw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_Ldyw+Nv0ezrfaLwNtr75b6JWL-N2gx8am7OjfAzOMvA@mail.gmail.com>

Try Me.subformname.form.ProcName

Charlotte

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 6:32 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> The combo box wizard lets you build a "finder" very easily. I want one of
> those, only I want it located on this form's parent. In other words, even
> though the finder is on the parent, I want it to search the subform.
>
> There's code in the subform to accept an argument and do the search. I've
> declared  that procedure public. What is the syntax for calling that
> procedure from the parent? Call SubformName.ProcName(arg)? Am I close?
>
> TIA,
> --
> Arthur
> --
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Thu Mar 14 20:37:15 2013
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 18:37:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Force a form into a particular mode.
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hDaQpssRbHM+1XLusrvWB4x+hiay5MLmGfL9TDtNhsNA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hDaQpssRbHM+1XLusrvWB4x+hiay5MLmGfL9TDtNhsNA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_Qo+HLmU-CZDt3gC353Wjh2n7NxLcxmUTkh0PpFvCQ3g@mail.gmail.com>

Give us a hint.  What mode are you talking about?

Charlotte

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> I can't remember how to do it. I want to put it in the form-open or
> form-load event.
>
> TIA,
> --
> Arthur
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Mar 14 21:38:23 2013
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 02:38:23 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] FW: Reminder - SpeedTools Beta Test (Excel)
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5436F06E6@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

May-be of interest to some folks on here.  Charles Williams is very well known in the Excel community for his work with Excel.
Worth a look if you have the time and are interested. 

Cheers
Darryl.

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Subject: Reminder - SpeedTools Beta Test

SpeedTools is a state-of-the-art set of tools to help you speed up slow Excel calculations:
The final Beta test has just 2 weeks to run & there are still 20 SpeedTools coffee mugs (and a free SpeedTools license) available for the best 20 feedbacks received by the end of March.

http://www.decisionmodels.com/fastexcelV3SpeedTools.htm
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Charles

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Mar 14 21:51:45 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 22:51:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Force a form into a particular mode.
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met_Qo+HLmU-CZDt3gC353Wjh2n7NxLcxmUTkh0PpFvCQ3g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hDaQpssRbHM+1XLusrvWB4x+hiay5MLmGfL9TDtNhsNA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met_Qo+HLmU-CZDt3gC353Wjh2n7NxLcxmUTkh0PpFvCQ3g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iCOEPmTe4OOCJDpN5-tOh3r9P0_HJ3Tt0OBh=8Q-s7=Q@mail.gmail.com>

I want to guarantee that the form opens in datasheet mode, even if that is
not specified in the OpenForm call. I would also like (perhaps) to know the
constants associated with whatever property it is that you change.

TIA,
A.


On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 9:37 PM, Charlotte Foust
<charlotte.foust at gmail.com>wrote:

> Give us a hint.  What mode are you talking about?
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > I can't remember how to do it. I want to put it in the form-open or
> > form-load event.
> >
> > TIA,
> > --
> > Arthur
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
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-- 
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Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Thu Mar 14 22:04:58 2013
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 23:04:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Force a form into a particular mode.
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iCOEPmTe4OOCJDpN5-tOh3r9P0_HJ3Tt0OBh=8Q-s7=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hDaQpssRbHM+1XLusrvWB4x+hiay5MLmGfL9TDtNhsNA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met_Qo+HLmU-CZDt3gC353Wjh2n7NxLcxmUTkh0PpFvCQ3g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1iCOEPmTe4OOCJDpN5-tOh3r9P0_HJ3Tt0OBh=8Q-s7=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAvBxxHa-VQuUp-Zj8Kv0x-vmreW4a2fCvN12xGQv6FdTA@mail.gmail.com>

Arthur,
OpenForm parms and syntax

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/bb238021%28v=office.12%29.aspx

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 10:51 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> I want to guarantee that the form opens in datasheet mode, even if that is
> not specified in the OpenForm call. I would also like (perhaps) to know the
> constants associated with whatever property it is that you change.
>
> TIA,
> A.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 9:37 PM, Charlotte Foust
> <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Give us a hint.  What mode are you talking about?
> >
> > Charlotte
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > I can't remember how to do it. I want to put it in the form-open or
> > > form-load event.
> > >
> > > TIA,
> > > --
> > > Arthur
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> >
>
>
>
> --
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
>
> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>   -- Niels Bohr
> --
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Mar 14 23:42:43 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 00:42:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Search a subform from a parent form
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met_Ldyw+Nv0ezrfaLwNtr75b6JWL-N2gx8am7OjfAzOMvA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gMb=9o_f7aUNxk-i-Wadx5N5N6ciWepQpP1DpH+gh3mw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met_Ldyw+Nv0ezrfaLwNtr75b6JWL-N2gx8am7OjfAzOMvA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1igDKzqwNUuzNvEPy4TnzV5vn4YuBXWJLdn+PMMGQgS3g@mail.gmail.com>

Ah, Charlotte. My syntax guess was right. Thanks for confirming.

Interesting.... I'm not out of the words quite yet. I single-step from the
combo to the sub inside the child form, where the wiz-generated code says:

<vba>
    ? there's a parameter called intTarget...
    DoCmd.SearchForRecord , "", acFirst, "[ID] = " & intTarget
</vba>

This gives me the error message: The action or method is invalid because
the form or report isn't bound to a table or query.

But it is:
? Me.RecordSource
vCustomers ' a View



On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Charlotte Foust
<charlotte.foust at gmail.com>wrote:

> Try Me.subformname.form.ProcName
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 6:32 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > The combo box wizard lets you build a "finder" very easily. I want one of
> > those, only I want it located on this form's parent. In other words, even
> > though the finder is on the parent, I want it to search the subform.
> >
> > There's code in the subform to accept an argument and do the search. I've
> > declared  that procedure public. What is the syntax for calling that
> > procedure from the parent? Call SubformName.ProcName(arg)? Am I close?
> >
> > TIA,
> > --
> > Arthur
> > --
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Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Mar 14 23:47:00 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 00:47:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Force a form into a particular mode.
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAvBxxHa-VQuUp-Zj8Kv0x-vmreW4a2fCvN12xGQv6FdTA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hDaQpssRbHM+1XLusrvWB4x+hiay5MLmGfL9TDtNhsNA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met_Qo+HLmU-CZDt3gC353Wjh2n7NxLcxmUTkh0PpFvCQ3g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1iCOEPmTe4OOCJDpN5-tOh3r9P0_HJ3Tt0OBh=8Q-s7=Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks, Jack.


On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 11:04 PM, jack drawbridge <jackandpat.d at gmail.com>wrote:

> Arthur,
> OpenForm parms and syntax
>
>
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/bb238021%28v=office.12%29.aspx
>
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 10:51 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > I want to guarantee that the form opens in datasheet mode, even if that
> is
> > not specified in the OpenForm call. I would also like (perhaps) to know
> the
> > constants associated with whatever property it is that you change.
> >
> > TIA,
> > A.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 9:37 PM, Charlotte Foust
> > <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> > > Give us a hint.  What mode are you talking about?
> > >
> > > Charlotte
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Arthur Fuller <
> fuller.artful at gmail.com
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > I can't remember how to do it. I want to put it in the form-open or
> > > > form-load event.
> > > >
> > > > TIA,
> > > > --
> > > > Arthur
> > > > --
> > > > AccessD mailing list
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> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> > > >
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> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Arthur
> > Cell: 647.710.1314
> >
> > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
> >   -- Niels Bohr
> > --
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  -- Niels Bohr

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Mar 15 00:03:48 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 22:03:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Force a form into a particular mode.
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iCOEPmTe4OOCJDpN5-tOh3r9P0_HJ3Tt0OBh=8Q-s7=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hDaQpssRbHM+1XLusrvWB4x+hiay5MLmGfL9TDtNhsNA@mail.gmail.com><CAH+Met_Qo+HLmU-CZDt3gC353Wjh2n7NxLcxmUTkh0PpFvCQ3g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1iCOEPmTe4OOCJDpN5-tOh3r9P0_HJ3Tt0OBh=8Q-s7=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0DC5603D06B9459C848AA51067FDDCD2@HAL9007>

Well this may be cheating but I have a button on my PO form which switches
the PO Detail (which is in a sub-form) from continuous to datasheet and I do
this by having two sub-forms one of each format and switchback and forth as
the button is clicked:

The OnClick event of that button:

    If Me.subfrmPODetail.SourceObject = "subfrmPODetail" Then
        Me.subfrmPODetail.SourceObject = "subfrmPODetailDatasheet"
    Else
        Me.subfrmPODetail.SourceObject = "subfrmPODetail"
    End If
    Me.subfrmPODetail.Requery

It would seem that you could use the me.DefaultView property but I think I
tried that and it wouldn't work.  

This solution seemed expedient.

But if you have a form that you want to open in datasheet and never change
it, why not just set the default view to datasheet in design mode and save
it?

IOW - what problem are you trying to solve?

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com
www.e-z-mrp.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 7:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Force a form into a particular mode.

I want to guarantee that the form opens in datasheet mode, even if that is
not specified in the OpenForm call. I would also like (perhaps) to know the
constants associated with whatever property it is that you change.

TIA,
A.


On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 9:37 PM, Charlotte Foust
<charlotte.foust at gmail.com>wrote:

> Give us a hint.  What mode are you talking about?
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Arthur Fuller 
> <fuller.artful at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > I can't remember how to do it. I want to put it in the form-open or 
> > form-load event.
> >
> > TIA,
> > --
> > Arthur
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Mar 15 03:31:27 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 09:31:27 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] DoCmd.OpenFrom acHidden is not hidden
Message-ID: <003f01ce2157$7c6bbd30$75433790$@cactus.dk>

Hi all

>From a form I try to open another form hidden by clicking a button:

  DoCmd.OpenForm "frmSomeForm", acNormal , , , , acHidden

Then the hidden form is supposed to do some calculations and, when finished,
unhide itself by means of a not visible textbox bound to a function:

  =SetVisible()

which contains:

Private Function SetVisible() As Boolean 
    Me.Visible = True 
    SetVisible = True 
End Function

The sequence works except for one thing - the form isn't opened hidden
because its frame is shown at once.
Thus, the sequence is:

1. Frame of hidden form is shown on top of the calling form. The form itself
is transparent so the calling form is still visible inside the frame.
2. The "hidden" form performs the calculations.
3. The "hidden" form paints its inside invisibly.
4. SetVisible is called.
5. The completed form is visible.

I've also tried opening the hidden form with:

  Set frm = New Form_frmSomeForm
  frm. Visible = False

No difference. Also having this in the OnOpen event of the form:

  Me.Visible = False

All to no avail.

Any ideas for opening a form completely hidden?

/gustav


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Mar 15 04:18:11 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 13:18:11 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?DoCmd=2EOpenFrom_acHidden_is_not_hidden?=
In-Reply-To: <003f01ce2157$7c6bbd30$75433790$@cactus.dk>
References: <003f01ce2157$7c6bbd30$75433790$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1363339091.828465401@f20.mail.ru>

 Hi Gustav --

If your calling/parent form doesn't have any special attributes set, IOW it's opened in a Normal form view, with no popup or modal modes 'On' then I'd guess that your

=SetVisible()

call of the child form's hidden textbox somehow 'weirdly?interacts' with acHidden argument of ?the executing call

? DoCmd.OpenForm "frmSomeForm", acNormal , , , , acHidden

I mean =SetVisible() could be called *before* Form Open event, and while being called it forces its form to start to be rendered but here acHidden argument comes into play...

I'd try to call SetVisible() in the form Open event

Me.MySoFarInvisbleTextBox.Visible = SetVisible()

Why do you use so unusual(?) way to make your form visible via an indirect call to the SetVisible() function?

Thank you.

-- Shamil

???????, 15 ????? 2013, 9:31 +01:00 ?? "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>Hi all
>
>From a form I try to open another form hidden by clicking a button:
>
>??DoCmd.OpenForm "frmSomeForm", acNormal , , , , acHidden
>
>Then the hidden form is supposed to do some calculations and, when finished,
>unhide itself by means of a not visible textbox bound to a function:
>
>??=SetVisible()
>
>which contains:
>
>Private Function SetVisible() As Boolean 
>????Me.Visible = True 
>????SetVisible = True 
>End Function
>
>The sequence works except for one thing - the form isn't opened hidden
>because its frame is shown at once.
>Thus, the sequence is:
>
>1. Frame of hidden form is shown on top of the calling form. The form itself
>is transparent so the calling form is still visible inside the frame.
>2. The "hidden" form performs the calculations.
>3. The "hidden" form paints its inside invisibly.
>4. SetVisible is called.
>5. The completed form is visible.
>
>I've also tried opening the hidden form with:
>
>??Set frm = New Form_frmSomeForm
>??frm. Visible = False
>
>No difference. Also having this in the OnOpen event of the form:
>
>??Me.Visible = False
>
>All to no avail.
>
>Any ideas for opening a form completely hidden?
>
>/gustav
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Mar 15 05:16:52 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 11:16:52 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] DoCmd.OpenFrom acHidden is not hidden
Message-ID: <008801ce2166$36c05c00$a4411400$@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

No, SetVisible is called as the latest stage - try to insert a MsgBox and you'll see.

I can pull it out and open the form. Then the form's frame will be shown, the form renders invisibly, and then - finally - the frame is hidden. Now I can unhide the completed form.

It is as if the form opens and frame is drawn, then it discovers it should be hidden and stops further rendering leaving the frame, performs the calculations, finishes the rendering hidden and then hides the frame.
Now, when unhiding, both frame and content is visible.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sendt: 15. marts 2013 10:18
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] DoCmd.OpenFrom acHidden is not hidden

 Hi Gustav --

If your calling/parent form doesn't have any special attributes set, IOW it's opened in a Normal form view, with no popup or modal modes 'On' then I'd guess that your

=SetVisible()

call of the child form's hidden textbox somehow 'weirdly interacts' with acHidden argument of  the executing call

  DoCmd.OpenForm "frmSomeForm", acNormal , , , , acHidden

I mean =SetVisible() could be called *before* Form Open event, and while being called it forces its form to start to be rendered but here acHidden argument comes into play...

I'd try to call SetVisible() in the form Open event

Me.MySoFarInvisbleTextBox.Visible = SetVisible()

Why do you use so unusual(?) way to make your form visible via an indirect call to the SetVisible() function?

Thank you.

-- Shamil

???????, 15 ????? 2013, 9:31 +01:00 ?? "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>Hi all
>
>From a form I try to open another form hidden by clicking a button:
>
>  DoCmd.OpenForm "frmSomeForm", acNormal , , , , acHidden
>
>Then the hidden form is supposed to do some calculations and, when 
>finished, unhide itself by means of a not visible textbox bound to a function:
>
>  =SetVisible()
>
>which contains:
>
>Private Function SetVisible() As Boolean
>    Me.Visible = True
>    SetVisible = True
>End Function
>
>The sequence works except for one thing - the form isn't opened hidden 
>because its frame is shown at once.
>Thus, the sequence is:
>
>1. Frame of hidden form is shown on top of the calling form. The form 
>itself is transparent so the calling form is still visible inside the frame.
>2. The "hidden" form performs the calculations.
>3. The "hidden" form paints its inside invisibly.
>4. SetVisible is called.
>5. The completed form is visible.
>
>I've also tried opening the hidden form with:
>
>  Set frm = New Form_frmSomeForm
>  frm. Visible = False
>
>No difference. Also having this in the OnOpen event of the form:
>
>  Me.Visible = False
>
>All to no avail.
>
>Any ideas for opening a form completely hidden?
>
>/gustav 



From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Mar 15 05:18:25 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 14:18:25 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?DoCmd=2EOpenFrom_acHidden_is_not_hidden?=
In-Reply-To: <1363339091.828465401@f20.mail.ru>
References: <003f01ce2157$7c6bbd30$75433790$@cactus.dk>
	<1363339091.828465401@f20.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <1363342705.794138265@f234.mail.ru>

 Gustav --

Additionally: using Form's Timer event to make calculations and to call SetVisible() should help to solve your issue I suppose.

Thank you.

-- Shamil


???????, 15 ????? 2013, 13:18 +04:00 ?? Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru>:
>Hi Gustav --
>
>If your calling/parent form doesn't have any special attributes set, IOW it's opened in a Normal form view, with no popup or modal modes 'On' then I'd guess that your
>
>=SetVisible()
>
>call of the child form's hidden textbox somehow 'weirdly?interacts' with acHidden argument of ?the executing call
>
>? DoCmd.OpenForm "frmSomeForm", acNormal , , , , acHidden
>
>I mean =SetVisible() could be called *before* Form Open event, and while being called it forces its form to start to be rendered but here acHidden argument comes into play...
>
>I'd try to call SetVisible() in the form Open event
>
>Me.MySoFarInvisbleTextBox.Visible = SetVisible()
>
>Why do you use so unusual(?) way to make your form visible via an indirect call to the SetVisible() function?
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- Shamil
>
>???????, 15 ????? 2013, 9:31 +01:00 ?? "Gustav Brock" < gustav at cactus.dk >:
>>Hi all
>>
>>From a form I try to open another form hidden by clicking a button:
>>
>>??DoCmd.OpenForm "frmSomeForm", acNormal , , , , acHidden
>>
>>Then the hidden form is supposed to do some calculations and, when finished,
>>unhide itself by means of a not visible textbox bound to a function:
>>
>>??=SetVisible()
>>
>>which contains:
>>
>>Private Function SetVisible() As Boolean 
>>????Me.Visible = True 
>>????SetVisible = True 
>>End Function
>>
>>The sequence works except for one thing - the form isn't opened hidden
>>because its frame is shown at once.
>>Thus, the sequence is:
>>
>>1. Frame of hidden form is shown on top of the calling form. The form itself
>>is transparent so the calling form is still visible inside the frame.
>>2. The "hidden" form performs the calculations.
>>3. The "hidden" form paints its inside invisibly.
>>4. SetVisible is called.
>>5. The completed form is visible.
>>
>>I've also tried opening the hidden form with:
>>
>>??Set frm = New Form_frmSomeForm
>>??frm. Visible = False
>>
>>No difference. Also having this in the OnOpen event of the form:
>>
>>??Me.Visible = False
>>
>>All to no avail.
>>
>>Any ideas for opening a form completely hidden?
>>
>>/gustav
>>

From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Mar 15 05:46:44 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 11:46:44 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] DoCmd.OpenFrom acHidden is not hidden
Message-ID: <008d01ce216a$62f13cf0$28d3b6d0$@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

I don't think so. The main issue is not to make the form visible; it is to prevent its frame (or anything else) to be painted on the screen when the form is opened as hidden:

  DoCmd.OpenForm "frmSomeForm", acNormal , , , , acHidden

In my world, a form opened hidden should not show anything on the screen until its property Visible is set to True.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sendt: 15. marts 2013 11:18
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] DoCmd.OpenFrom acHidden is not hidden

 Gustav --

Additionally: using Form's Timer event to make calculations and to call SetVisible() should help to solve your issue I suppose.

Thank you.

-- Shamil


???????, 15 ????? 2013, 13:18 +04:00 ?? Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru>:
>Hi Gustav --
>
>If your calling/parent form doesn't have any special attributes set, 
>IOW it's opened in a Normal form view, with no popup or modal modes 
>'On' then I'd guess that your
>
>=SetVisible()
>
>call of the child form's hidden textbox somehow 'weirdly interacts' 
>with acHidden argument of  the executing call
>
>  DoCmd.OpenForm "frmSomeForm", acNormal , , , , acHidden
>
>I mean =SetVisible() could be called *before* Form Open event, and while being called it forces its form to start to be rendered but here acHidden argument comes into play...
>
>I'd try to call SetVisible() in the form Open event
>
>Me.MySoFarInvisbleTextBox.Visible = SetVisible()
>
>Why do you use so unusual(?) way to make your form visible via an indirect call to the SetVisible() function?
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- Shamil
>
>???????, 15 ????? 2013, 9:31 +01:00 ?? "Gustav Brock" < gustav at cactus.dk >:
>>Hi all
>>
>>From a form I try to open another form hidden by clicking a button:
>>
>>  DoCmd.OpenForm "frmSomeForm", acNormal , , , , acHidden
>>
>>Then the hidden form is supposed to do some calculations and, when 
>>finished, unhide itself by means of a not visible textbox bound to a function:
>>
>>  =SetVisible()
>>
>>which contains:
>>
>>Private Function SetVisible() As Boolean
>>    Me.Visible = True
>>    SetVisible = True
>>End Function
>>
>>The sequence works except for one thing - the form isn't opened hidden 
>>because its frame is shown at once.
>>Thus, the sequence is:
>>
>>1. Frame of hidden form is shown on top of the calling form. The form 
>>itself is transparent so the calling form is still visible inside the frame.
>>2. The "hidden" form performs the calculations.
>>3. The "hidden" form paints its inside invisibly.
>>4. SetVisible is called.
>>5. The completed form is visible.
>>
>>I've also tried opening the hidden form with:
>>
>>  Set frm = New Form_frmSomeForm
>>  frm. Visible = False
>>
>>No difference. Also having this in the OnOpen event of the form:
>>
>>  Me.Visible = False
>>
>>All to no avail.
>>
>>Any ideas for opening a form completely hidden?
>>
>>/gustav
 




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Mar 15 06:18:25 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 21:18:25 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] DoCmd.OpenFrom acHidden is not hidden
In-Reply-To: <008d01ce216a$62f13cf0$28d3b6d0$@cactus.dk>
References: <008d01ce216a$62f13cf0$28d3b6d0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <51430381.20316.E491E7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

It looks as though the problem is trying to do too many things in the On_Open or On_Load 
and a wm_paint is being generated too soon.

Instead of doing it this way, how about calling a  Sub  which does the calculations, opens the 
form hidden, populates it's controls and then shows it.   i.e. do nothing in the the 
on_open/on_load.


-- 
Stuart

> >>Hi all
> >>
> >>From a form I try to open another form hidden by clicking a button:
> >>
> >>  DoCmd.OpenForm "frmSomeForm", acNormal , , , , acHidden
> >>
> >>Then the hidden form is supposed to do some calculations and, when 
> >>finished, unhide itself by means of a not visible textbox bound to a function:
> >>
> >>  =SetVisible()
> >>
> >>which contains:
> >>
> >>Private Function SetVisible() As Boolean
> >>    Me.Visible = True
> >>    SetVisible = True
> >>End Function
> >>
> >>The sequence works except for one thing - the form isn't opened hidden 
> >>because its frame is shown at once.
> >>Thus, the sequence is:
> >>
> >>1. Frame of hidden form is shown on top of the calling form. The form 
> >>itself is transparent so the calling form is still visible inside the frame.
> >>2. The "hidden" form performs the calculations.
> >>3. The "hidden" form paints its inside invisibly.
> >>4. SetVisible is called.
> >>5. The completed form is visible.
> >>
> >>I've also tried opening the hidden form with:
> >>
> >>  Set frm = New Form_frmSomeForm
> >>  frm. Visible = False
> >>
> >>No difference. Also having this in the OnOpen event of the form:
> >>
> >>  Me.Visible = False
> >>
> >>All to no avail.
> >>
> >>Any ideas for opening a form completely hidden?
> >>
> >>/gustav
>  


From shait at stephenhait.com  Fri Mar 15 06:40:32 2013
From: shait at stephenhait.com (Stephen Hait)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 07:40:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A97 and Win 7
In-Reply-To: <51408B2B0200006B0002BCE5@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
References: <00fb01ce200e$6eff2910$4cfd7b30$@cactus.dk>
	<51408B2B0200006B0002BCE5@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <CANfetCsG8x2TCL+mMzt=M2mvQCwbVGCk5Og-yjSUZoWiR0w-xg@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 2:20 PM, John Clark <John.Clark at niagaracounty.com>wrote:

> OK, I am confused. I've been told...definitively...that Access 97 will not
> run on Win 7...and that it can. So, what is the answer from this group?
>

I run A97 on Win 7 32 bit all the time along with various later versions. I
don't have a version installed on 64 bit Win 7. I think I installed them in
the order of earlier versions before later.

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Mar 15 06:46:08 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 15:46:08 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?DoCmd=2EOpenFrom_acHidden_is_not_hidden?=
In-Reply-To: <008d01ce216a$62f13cf0$28d3b6d0$@cactus.dk>
References: <008d01ce216a$62f13cf0$28d3b6d0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1363347968.402983209@f97.mail.ru>

 Hi Gustav --

I have just tried to open and make visible the child form the way you do - it worked well, no any frame painted.
The issue should be then, as Stuart noted, with your lengthy calculations, which suspend form's rendering.

-- Shamil


???????, 15 ????? 2013, 11:46 +01:00 ?? "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>Hi Shamil
>
>I don't think so. The main issue is not to make the form visible; it is to prevent its frame (or anything else) to be painted on the screen when the form is opened as hidden:
>
>??DoCmd.OpenForm "frmSomeForm", acNormal , , , , acHidden
>
>In my world, a form opened hidden should not show anything on the screen until its property Visible is set to True.
>
>/gustav
>
>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>Fra:  accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>Sendt: 15. marts 2013 11:18
>Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Emne: Re: [AccessD] DoCmd.OpenFrom acHidden is not hidden
>
>?Gustav --
>
>Additionally: using Form's Timer event to make calculations and to call SetVisible() should help to solve your issue I suppose.
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- Shamil
>
>
>???????, 15 ????? 2013, 13:18 +04:00 ?? Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru >:
>>Hi Gustav --
>>
>>If your calling/parent form doesn't have any special attributes set, 
>>IOW it's opened in a Normal form view, with no popup or modal modes 
>>'On' then I'd guess that your
>>
>>=SetVisible()
>>
>>call of the child form's hidden textbox somehow 'weirdly interacts' 
>>with acHidden argument of  the executing call
>>
>>  DoCmd.OpenForm "frmSomeForm", acNormal , , , , acHidden
>>
>>I mean =SetVisible() could be called *before* Form Open event, and while being called it forces its form to start to be rendered but here acHidden argument comes into play...
>>
>>I'd try to call SetVisible() in the form Open event
>>
>>Me.MySoFarInvisbleTextBox.Visible = SetVisible()
>>
>>Why do you use so unusual(?) way to make your form visible via an indirect call to the SetVisible() function?
>>
>>Thank you.
>>
>>-- Shamil
>>
>>???????, 15 ????? 2013, 9:31 +01:00 ?? "Gustav Brock" <  gustav at cactus.dk >:
>>>Hi all
>>>
>>>From a form I try to open another form hidden by clicking a button:
>>>
>>>  DoCmd.OpenForm "frmSomeForm", acNormal , , , , acHidden
>>>
>>>Then the hidden form is supposed to do some calculations and, when 
>>>finished, unhide itself by means of a not visible textbox bound to a function:
>>>
>>>  =SetVisible()
>>>
>>>which contains:
>>>
>>>Private Function SetVisible() As Boolean
>>>    Me.Visible = True
>>>    SetVisible = True
>>>End Function
>>>
>>>The sequence works except for one thing - the form isn't opened hidden 
>>>because its frame is shown at once.
>>>Thus, the sequence is:
>>>
>>>1. Frame of hidden form is shown on top of the calling form. The form 
>>>itself is transparent so the calling form is still visible inside the frame.
>>>2. The "hidden" form performs the calculations.
>>>3. The "hidden" form paints its inside invisibly.
>>>4. SetVisible is called.
>>>5. The completed form is visible.
>>>
>>>I've also tried opening the hidden form with:
>>>
>>>  Set frm = New Form_frmSomeForm
>>>  frm. Visible = False
>>>
>>>No difference. Also having this in the OnOpen event of the form:
>>>
>>>  Me.Visible = False
>>>
>>>All to no avail.
>>>
>>>Any ideas for opening a form completely hidden?
>>>
>>>/gustav
>?
>


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Mar 15 08:11:01 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 06:11:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] DoCmd.OpenFrom acHidden is not hidden
In-Reply-To: <003f01ce2157$7c6bbd30$75433790$@cactus.dk>
References: <003f01ce2157$7c6bbd30$75433790$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <8C99DF42F7C64445B1530ABBE1E4A889@HAL9007>

This probably won't help but I do this in an app where a form opens so
slowly (lots of calcs and query data) that I open it hidden in the Open
event of the opening log in form:

DoCmd.OpenForm "frmRentalAgreement", , , , , acHidden

And keep it open hidden all the time the app is open.  When I want it to
show:

DoCmd.OpenForm "frmRentalAgreement"

And when I want it to disappear:

Me.Visible = False

on exiting the form, so it stays open all the time but hidden.

This is in A2K3, so later versions might not work the same.

Rocky


 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 1:31 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] DoCmd.OpenFrom acHidden is not hidden

Hi all

>From a form I try to open another form hidden by clicking a button:

  DoCmd.OpenForm "frmSomeForm", acNormal , , , , acHidden

Then the hidden form is supposed to do some calculations and, when finished,
unhide itself by means of a not visible textbox bound to a function:

  =SetVisible()

which contains:

Private Function SetVisible() As Boolean 
    Me.Visible = True 
    SetVisible = True
End Function

The sequence works except for one thing - the form isn't opened hidden
because its frame is shown at once.
Thus, the sequence is:

1. Frame of hidden form is shown on top of the calling form. The form itself
is transparent so the calling form is still visible inside the frame.
2. The "hidden" form performs the calculations.
3. The "hidden" form paints its inside invisibly.
4. SetVisible is called.
5. The completed form is visible.

I've also tried opening the hidden form with:

  Set frm = New Form_frmSomeForm
  frm. Visible = False

No difference. Also having this in the OnOpen event of the form:

  Me.Visible = False

All to no avail.

Any ideas for opening a form completely hidden?

/gustav

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Mar 15 08:12:06 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 06:12:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] DoCmd.OpenFrom acHidden is not hidden
In-Reply-To: <008d01ce216a$62f13cf0$28d3b6d0$@cactus.dk>
References: <008d01ce216a$62f13cf0$28d3b6d0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <EB9BECD50FDE48B49638D6553E871E8E@HAL9007>

What version of access?

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 3:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DoCmd.OpenFrom acHidden is not hidden

Hi Shamil

I don't think so. The main issue is not to make the form visible; it is to prevent its frame (or anything else) to be painted on the screen when the form is opened as hidden:

  DoCmd.OpenForm "frmSomeForm", acNormal , , , , acHidden

In my world, a form opened hidden should not show anything on the screen until its property Visible is set to True.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sendt: 15. marts 2013 11:18
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] DoCmd.OpenFrom acHidden is not hidden

 Gustav --

Additionally: using Form's Timer event to make calculations and to call SetVisible() should help to solve your issue I suppose.

Thank you.

-- Shamil


???????, 15 ????? 2013, 13:18 +04:00 ?? Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru>:
>Hi Gustav --
>
>If your calling/parent form doesn't have any special attributes set, 
>IOW it's opened in a Normal form view, with no popup or modal modes 
>'On' then I'd guess that your
>
>=SetVisible()
>
>call of the child form's hidden textbox somehow 'weirdly interacts' 
>with acHidden argument of  the executing call
>
>  DoCmd.OpenForm "frmSomeForm", acNormal , , , , acHidden
>
>I mean =SetVisible() could be called *before* Form Open event, and while being called it forces its form to start to be rendered but here acHidden argument comes into play...
>
>I'd try to call SetVisible() in the form Open event
>
>Me.MySoFarInvisbleTextBox.Visible = SetVisible()
>
>Why do you use so unusual(?) way to make your form visible via an indirect call to the SetVisible() function?
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- Shamil
>
>???????, 15 ????? 2013, 9:31 +01:00 ?? "Gustav Brock" < gustav at cactus.dk >:
>>Hi all
>>
>>From a form I try to open another form hidden by clicking a button:
>>
>>  DoCmd.OpenForm "frmSomeForm", acNormal , , , , acHidden
>>
>>Then the hidden form is supposed to do some calculations and, when 
>>finished, unhide itself by means of a not visible textbox bound to a function:
>>
>>  =SetVisible()
>>
>>which contains:
>>
>>Private Function SetVisible() As Boolean
>>    Me.Visible = True
>>    SetVisible = True
>>End Function
>>
>>The sequence works except for one thing - the form isn't opened hidden 
>>because its frame is shown at once.
>>Thus, the sequence is:
>>
>>1. Frame of hidden form is shown on top of the calling form. The form 
>>itself is transparent so the calling form is still visible inside the frame.
>>2. The "hidden" form performs the calculations.
>>3. The "hidden" form paints its inside invisibly.
>>4. SetVisible is called.
>>5. The completed form is visible.
>>
>>I've also tried opening the hidden form with:
>>
>>  Set frm = New Form_frmSomeForm
>>  frm. Visible = False
>>
>>No difference. Also having this in the OnOpen event of the form:
>>
>>  Me.Visible = False
>>
>>All to no avail.
>>
>>Any ideas for opening a form completely hidden?
>>
>>/gustav
 



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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Mar 15 09:29:21 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 15:29:21 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] DoCmd.OpenFrom acHidden is not hidden
Message-ID: <00fb01ce2189$7c0c2550$74246ff0$@cactus.dk>

Hi Rocky et al

It is A2010.
That's a good idea. However, there are too many forms behaving this way so
it might not work that well in this app.

However, I found out that it was the loading of data for a subform that
brought the loading to a crawl. It is linked to an SQL Server.
So what I did was to have a textbox, LinkId, as the masterlink and bind it
to a fixed value saved with the form:

  =-1

This, of course, force the subform to pull zero records, and it opens rather
quickly. The frame of the form is no longer drawn on the screen.
Then, when the form has opened, I change the controlsource of LinkID to make
it bound to ID:

<code>
Private Sub Form_Activate()

    Static booActivated As Boolean
    
    If booActivated = False Then
        Me!LinkID.ControlSource = "ID"
        booActivated = True
    End If

End Sub
</code>

That works. Opening is slow, but an hourglass is shown and - when ready -
the form including the subform opens like you would expect it to.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Rocky Smolin
Sendt: 15. marts 2013 14:11
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] DoCmd.OpenFrom acHidden is not hidden

This probably won't help but I do this in an app where a form opens so
slowly (lots of calcs and query data) that I open it hidden in the Open
event of the opening log in form:

DoCmd.OpenForm "frmRentalAgreement", , , , , acHidden

And keep it open hidden all the time the app is open.  When I want it to
show:

DoCmd.OpenForm "frmRentalAgreement"

And when I want it to disappear:

Me.Visible = False

on exiting the form, so it stays open all the time but hidden.

This is in A2K3, so later versions might not work the same.

Rocky


 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 1:31 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] DoCmd.OpenFrom acHidden is not hidden

Hi all

>From a form I try to open another form hidden by clicking a button:

  DoCmd.OpenForm "frmSomeForm", acNormal , , , , acHidden

Then the hidden form is supposed to do some calculations and, when finished,
unhide itself by means of a not visible textbox bound to a function:

  =SetVisible()

which contains:

Private Function SetVisible() As Boolean 
    Me.Visible = True 
    SetVisible = True
End Function

The sequence works except for one thing - the form isn't opened hidden
because its frame is shown at once.
Thus, the sequence is:

1. Frame of hidden form is shown on top of the calling form. The form itself
is transparent so the calling form is still visible inside the frame.
2. The "hidden" form performs the calculations.
3. The "hidden" form paints its inside invisibly.
4. SetVisible is called.
5. The completed form is visible.

I've also tried opening the hidden form with:

  Set frm = New Form_frmSomeForm
  frm. Visible = False

No difference. Also having this in the OnOpen event of the form:

  Me.Visible = False

All to no avail.

Any ideas for opening a form completely hidden?

/gustav 



From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Fri Mar 15 11:42:06 2013
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 12:42:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] FW:  Search a subform from a parent form
References: <CAEPJO1gMb=9o_f7aUNxk-i-Wadx5N5N6ciWepQpP1DpH+gh3mw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met_Ldyw+Nv0ezrfaLwNtr75b6JWL-N2gx8am7OjfAzOMvA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1igDKzqwNUuzNvEPy4TnzV5vn4YuBXWJLdn+PMMGQgS3g@mail.gmail.com>
	<F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9801BE8ED1BF@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
	<CAEPJO1g_XFa61CrWoc64-+8LmmBT8diVwy9CcisDqXOHLy=eEA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1j7QhabFkjVNpwKSDd_P2H-GHTmoTSeGi12DwR=pPGm8g@mail.gmail.com> 
Message-ID: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9801BE8ED21B@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>

Forwarding to the list (now that I've re-subscribed) for completeness.

Lambert

From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:fuller.artful at gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:fuller.artful at gmail.com]>
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 11:35 AM
To: Heenan, Lambert
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Search a subform from a parent form

That worked like a charm, Lambert. Thanks! The app I'm working on needs this capability in several places

A.

On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com<mailto:fuller.artful at gmail.com>> wrote:
Thanks, Lambert. I'll try that right now, but just glancing at your code, my feeling is that this looks right -- and also, nice and clean. I like it.

A.

On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Heenan, Lambert <Lambert.Heenan at aig.com<mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com>> wrote:
Not sure if my new email address is registered yet, so I'll reply direct as well as to the list.

I do this kind of search (for records in a sub-form) from the parent form without the need of any public functions in the subform(which can potentially be called from places other than where you intended).

In the parent form I build the criteria that will be needed to search in the sub-form records and then I do that search like this...

        strCriteria = "SomeField=" & nSomeValue
                With Me!SubFormControl.Form.RecordsetClone
                .FindFirst strCriteria
                If Not .NoMatch Then
                Me SubFormControl.Form.Bookmark = .Bookmark
                End If
        End With

HTH
Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 12:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Search a subform from a parent form

Ah, Charlotte. My syntax guess was right. Thanks for confirming.

Interesting.... I'm not out of the words quite yet. I single-step from the combo to the sub inside the child form, where the wiz-generated code says:

<vba>
    ? there's a parameter called intTarget...
    DoCmd.SearchForRecord , "", acFirst, "[ID] = " & intTarget </vba>

This gives me the error message: The action or method is invalid because the form or report isn't bound to a table or query.

But it is:
? Me.RecordSource
vCustomers ' a View



On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Charlotte Foust
<charlotte.foust at gmail.com<mailto:charlotte.foust at gmail.com>>wrote:

> Try Me.subformname.form.ProcName
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 6:32 PM, Arthur Fuller
> <fuller.artful at gmail.com<mailto:fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> >wrote:
>
> > The combo box wizard lets you build a "finder" very easily. I want
> > one of those, only I want it located on this form's parent. In other
> > words, even though the finder is on the parent, I want it to search the subform.
> >
> > There's code in the subform to accept an argument and do the search.
> > I've declared  that procedure public. What is the syntax for calling
> > that procedure from the parent? Call SubformName.ProcName(arg)? Am I close?
> >
> > TIA,
> > --
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Mar 15 12:56:51 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 18:56:51 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Cycle property of form not working in datasheet view
Message-ID: <012701ce21a6$7926b270$6b741750$@cactus.dk>

Hi all

If I set property Cycle of a form to "Current record" to prevent tabbing
away from the current record, it doesn't work in datasheet view. Tabbing
beyond the last column moves the cursor to the next record.

Is that really so, or do I miss something? Access 2010.

/gustav


From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Fri Mar 15 14:08:57 2013
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 15:08:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A97 and Win 7
In-Reply-To: <CANfetCsG8x2TCL+mMzt=M2mvQCwbVGCk5Og-yjSUZoWiR0w-xg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00fb01ce200e$6eff2910$4cfd7b30$@cactus.dk>
	<51408B2B0200006B0002BCE5@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
	<CANfetCsG8x2TCL+mMzt=M2mvQCwbVGCk5Og-yjSUZoWiR0w-xg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <514339890200006B0002BDCB@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>

Ah...that is a thought...something that I did think of earlier, but had forgotten...uninstalling all, and then going in "older-first" order. Maybe I'll try that Monday...I'm tapped...been at this for two whole days w/zip for results. 
 
And, now I'm wondering if it is even possible for 64-bit. Any instructions that I have been given prove to not work. 
 
The biggest holdup actually, seems to be a font...Tahoma. I follow the directions right along, and all is alright...UNTIL...I get to the part where I have to update A97 to SR2. To do this, it says you MUST remove 4 font files...Comic and Tahomas...but the Tahoma will not go, says it is a "Windows System Font." I cannot remove, move, or change the name of this file. So, I try to run SR2 anyhow, and it bombs. The log points to the Tahoma font. 
 
Now, if I do a version check on the Jet 3.5, it says it is Service pack 3 (SP3) w/enhanced security ...3.51.3328.0 
 
I don't know...back to the drawing board on Monday I guess.

>>> Stephen Hait <shait at stephenhait.com> 3/15/2013 7:40 AM >>>
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 2:20 PM, John Clark <John.Clark at niagaracounty.com>wrote:

> OK, I am confused. I've been told...definitively...that Access 97 will not
> run on Win 7...and that it can. So, what is the answer from this group?
>

I run A97 on Win 7 32 bit all the time along with various later versions. I
don't have a version installed on 64 bit Win 7. I think I installed them in
the order of earlier versions before later.
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Mar 15 14:47:24 2013
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 15:47:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A97 and Win 7
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<<
Ah...that is a thought...something that I did think of earlier, but had
forgotten...uninstalling all, and then going in "older-first" order. Maybe
I'll try that Monday...I'm tapped...been at this for two whole days w/zip
for results. 
>>

 Make sure you use separate directories as well...

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 03:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A97 and Win 7

Ah...that is a thought...something that I did think of earlier, but had
forgotten...uninstalling all, and then going in "older-first" order. Maybe
I'll try that Monday...I'm tapped...been at this for two whole days w/zip
for results. 
 
And, now I'm wondering if it is even possible for 64-bit. Any instructions
that I have been given prove to not work. 
 
The biggest holdup actually, seems to be a font...Tahoma. I follow the
directions right along, and all is alright...UNTIL...I get to the part where
I have to update A97 to SR2. To do this, it says you MUST remove 4 font
files...Comic and Tahomas...but the Tahoma will not go, says it is a
"Windows System Font." I cannot remove, move, or change the name of this
file. So, I try to run SR2 anyhow, and it bombs. The log points to the
Tahoma font. 
 
Now, if I do a version check on the Jet 3.5, it says it is Service pack 3
(SP3) w/enhanced security ...3.51.3328.0 
 
I don't know...back to the drawing board on Monday I guess.

>>> Stephen Hait <shait at stephenhait.com> 3/15/2013 7:40 AM >>>
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 2:20 PM, John Clark
<John.Clark at niagaracounty.com>wrote:

> OK, I am confused. I've been told...definitively...that Access 97 will not
> run on Win 7...and that it can. So, what is the answer from this group?
>

I run A97 on Win 7 32 bit all the time along with various later versions. I
don't have a version installed on 64 bit Win 7. I think I installed them in
the order of earlier versions before later.
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Mar 15 20:50:06 2013
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 18:50:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Cycle property of form not working in datasheet view
In-Reply-To: <012701ce21a6$7926b270$6b741750$@cactus.dk>
References: <012701ce21a6$7926b270$6b741750$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_jrKH+Uht__21wAq7X=5qdtpHP2_8t_AfBrcp8DaJCog@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds like standard datasheet view behavior.

Charlotte

On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi all
>
> If I set property Cycle of a form to "Current record" to prevent tabbing
> away from the current record, it doesn't work in datasheet view. Tabbing
> beyond the last column moves the cursor to the next record.
>
> Is that really so, or do I miss something? Access 2010.
>
> /gustav
>
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Mar 15 21:13:20 2013
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 19:13:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Source control Access
In-Reply-To: <021701ce206e$4d2cb4f0$e7861ed0$@winhaven.net>
References: <00e001ce1fec$532268f0$f9673ad0$@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-wzNMWOXUr7x=YY8wKs340F4tFPkBsozLTitJXkn5mPw@mail.gmail.com>
	<021701ce206e$4d2cb4f0$e7861ed0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9ATxSgEZ8sSeXwzxp9RLXxjNtBdB1fgrpYWN=P1xBCow@mail.gmail.com>

Vipre isn't alone in being aggressive.  I haven't set up any virtual
machines on this laptop yet.  I'm still trying to find Hyper-V!

Charlotte

On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 9:42 PM, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:

> When this happens I use a VM browser, turn of Viper, go to the site and see
> what happens. Vipre is very aggressive in its protection and warnings.
> Sometimes it's a link or an ad that trigger these warnings.
>
>
>
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 9:22 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Source control Access
>
>
>
> Interesting. Vipre blocks access to the site as a "bad" site.
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 6:11 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> > Hi John (or anyone else)
> >
> > Or this, Oasis-SVN:
> >
> > VIPRE Anti-phishing removed a known bad URL from your email message. It
> was deleted or quarantined and replaced with this message.
> >
> > <quote>
> > Integrates in your Access-Environment and offers all necessary functions.
> >
> > As a COM-AddIn, Oasis-SVN fully integrates in your Access-Environment and
> > offers all necessary functions to save all objects and properties as
> > separate files.
> > These files can be managed with almost any Modern versioning system.
> > </quote>
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P vegne af Gustav Brock
> > Sendt: 11. marts 2013 19:59
> > Til: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Source control Access
> >
> > Hi John
> >
> > Did you check this out, MS Access SVN:
> >
> > http://accesssvn.codeplex.com/
> >
> > MS Access SVN is a tool to integrate MS Access solutions with svn source
> > control.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
> > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P vegne af John W Colby
> > > Sendt: 1. marts 2013 17:16
> > > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Emne: [AccessD] Source control Access
> > >
> > > Working for the Borg, I suddenly have a need to source control my
> > > access projects. Other than the data, everything in Access can be
> > > easily dumped to text files, and from there pulled into a source
> > > control package. Before I go redesigning the wheel, I'm asking if
> > > anyone out there has this functioning. And no I will not be using
> > SourceSafe.
> > >
> > > --
> > > John W. Colby
> >
> >
> >
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sat Mar 16 00:01:52 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 01:01:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] PTW record
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gR3a-sxHGSqnTr4Ws0cGLHQ9pqQgnzoD_QDRgj20v8mA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <514242E2.8020206@gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1gR3a-sxHGSqnTr4Ws0cGLHQ9pqQgnzoD_QDRgj20v8mA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5143FCC0.80803@gmail.com>

I am completely rewriting an app originally done in Access.  It was a combination of sophisticated 
and ... not.  It already used a handful of pass through queries (about 6 or so) and yet made no 
effort to narrow down intermediate result sets using a starting data set.  Let's just say that we 
know that a couple of hundred out of a hundred thousand  loans are going to be processed. and yet 
over and over they pull all 100K records from 20 tables across the wire to filter it down later to 
100 or so records.  It was mind numbing slow.

I started off just pulling the loan ID for the hundred, then joining that to other data sets.  At 
least only the loan number field from the next table was pulled, and then the small data set after 
that.

But eventually I went with a PTQ (pass through query) with CTEs (common table expressions).  The 
starting loan numbers was the first CTE, then I joined that on the next table in a CTE to allow SQL 
Server to filter the next table down to the small number of records.  Rinse and repeat over and over 
again.  I end up with a couple of dozen CTEs all filtered down to the small number of records.  At 
the very end I join all the CTEs to pull the required data.  SQL Server is very efficient at this 
stuff it seems. Someone had designed a huge and quite "sophisticated" PTQ which even when executed 
out in SQL Server directly (in SSMS) took about 30 seconds to run.  Simply by joining that query 
with the first small loan number set I dropped the time to a couple of seconds.

Each of these previous PTQs pulled one small part of a mail merge data set.  The problem was that it 
was pulling this stuff back into Access where they then joined these PTQs with about 25 other Access 
queries pulling data from ADO linked SQL Server tables (or views) layered up into a gigantic mess.

I am reaching the end of completely rewriting the entire thing into one huge PTQ with (so far) about 
20 CTEs right inside of this one PTQ.  I am writing it in SSMS and just occasionally pulling it back 
into Access to make sure it still functions.  So are the total time is perhaps 5 - 10 seconds to 
push it out of access to SQL Server, allow the server to parse this gigantic PTQ, execute the query, 
and pass the data back to Access.  I had timed the pieces of the previous mess and was getting 2 
minutes for one piece, three minutes for another and (untimed) but around 10 minutes for the final 
assembled piece.  I was literally just going to the cafeteria while it ran.  10 seconds or so is 
quite acceptable to wait for the data from my PTQ IMHO.

The icing on the cake is that as a single PTQ, the SQL statement can eventually be run from C# 
instead of Access.  My new PTQ will be the business end and a little C# service can push the data 
into a CSV file for merging into the word doc.  The old system had "Access functions and such 
embedded into the mess so that it would just never run on anything but Access.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 3/14/2013 8:04 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> I'm a big fan of PTQs, too. In the absence of ADPs, which work only with MS
> SQL, PTQs are a godsend
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 5:36 PM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I am going for the record here.  I have a Pass Through Query which
>> currently has 1006 lines of code including comments.  I am commenting
>> heavily as you might imagine.
>>
>> And no, I do not understand a great deal of it.  Sigh.
>>
>> But at this point it is returning 544 records in just a few seconds.  The
>> previous query which this is meant to replace returned the same records in
>> somewhere north of 10 minutes.  How far north I will post when I get around
>> to comparing my results to the old results.
>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
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>
>


From bill_patten at embarqmail.com  Fri Mar 15 22:30:12 2013
From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 20:30:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Source control Access
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9ATxSgEZ8sSeXwzxp9RLXxjNtBdB1fgrpYWN=P1xBCow@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00e001ce1fec$532268f0$f9673ad0$@cactus.dk><CAH+Met-wzNMWOXUr7x=YY8wKs340F4tFPkBsozLTitJXkn5mPw@mail.gmail.com><021701ce206e$4d2cb4f0$e7861ed0$@winhaven.net>
	<CAH+Met9ATxSgEZ8sSeXwzxp9RLXxjNtBdB1fgrpYWN=P1xBCow@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <76A9000B5E65427D8B8D8EB99389AC41@BPCS>

Hi Charlotte,

To install Hyper V  go to Program and Features then select Turn Windows 
Features on or off.
Hyper-v will only work if your processor has SLAT.  I think all the I series 
(i3, i5 etc.) have SLAT.
For a list of SLAT equipped processors go here.

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/wiki/contents/articles/1401.hyper-v-list-of-slat-capable-cpus-for-hosts.aspx
This site also tells you how to test for SLAT.

I had a Windows 7 32 bit VM running on my Surface Pro today  using an 
Passport type USB drive.
Good luck.

Bill

-----Original Message----- 
From: Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 7:13 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Source control Access

Vipre isn't alone in being aggressive.  I haven't set up any virtual
machines on this laptop yet.  I'm still trying to find Hyper-V!

Charlotte

On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 9:42 PM, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:

> When this happens I use a VM browser, turn of Viper, go to the site and 
> see
> what happens. Vipre is very aggressive in its protection and warnings.
> Sometimes it's a link or an ad that trigger these warnings.
>
>
>
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 9:22 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Source control Access
>
>
>
> Interesting. Vipre blocks access to the site as a "bad" site.
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 6:11 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> > Hi John (or anyone else)
> >
> > Or this, Oasis-SVN:
> >
> > VIPRE Anti-phishing removed a known bad URL from your email message. It
> was deleted or quarantined and replaced with this message.
> >
> > <quote>
> > Integrates in your Access-Environment and offers all necessary 
> > functions.
> >
> > As a COM-AddIn, Oasis-SVN fully integrates in your Access-Environment 
> > and
> > offers all necessary functions to save all objects and properties as
> > separate files.
> > These files can be managed with almost any Modern versioning system.
> > </quote>
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P vegne af Gustav Brock
> > Sendt: 11. marts 2013 19:59
> > Til: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Source control Access
> >
> > Hi John
> >
> > Did you check this out, MS Access SVN:
> >
> > http://accesssvn.codeplex.com/
> >
> > MS Access SVN is a tool to integrate MS Access solutions with svn source
> > control.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
> > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P vegne af John W Colby
> > > Sendt: 1. marts 2013 17:16
> > > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Emne: [AccessD] Source control Access
> > >
> > > Working for the Borg, I suddenly have a need to source control my
> > > access projects. Other than the data, everything in Access can be
> > > easily dumped to text files, and from there pulled into a source
> > > control package. Before I go redesigning the wheel, I'm asking if
> > > anyone out there has this functioning. And no I will not be using
> > SourceSafe.
> > >
> > > --
> > > John W. Colby
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Mar 16 03:32:35 2013
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 09:32:35 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Cycle property of form not working in datasheet	view
Message-ID: <s1443c44.039@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

So the Cycle property has no influence in datasheet view?

/gustav

>>> charlotte.foust at gmail.com 16-03-13 2:50 >>>
Sounds like standard datasheet view behavior.

Charlotte

On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi all
>
> If I set property Cycle of a form to "Current record" to prevent tabbing
> away from the current record, it doesn't work in datasheet view. Tabbing
> beyond the last column moves the cursor to the next record.
>
> Is that really so, or do I miss something? Access 2010.
>
> /gustav



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Mar 16 09:40:28 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 07:40:28 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Cycle property of form not working in datasheet	view
In-Reply-To: <s1443c44.039@cactus.dk>
References: <s1443c44.039@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <D2B7395C3D7B4631835A9928F509C231@HAL9007>

I think I have to second that.  To me datasheet view always looked like an
Excel spreadsheet.  

The nice thing about it is that he user can stretch the field size and its
easy for them to resort the sheet by right clicking on the column heading. 

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 1:33 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cycle property of form not working in datasheet view

Hi Charlotte

So the Cycle property has no influence in datasheet view?

/gustav

>>> charlotte.foust at gmail.com 16-03-13 2:50 >>>
Sounds like standard datasheet view behavior.

Charlotte

On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi all
>
> If I set property Cycle of a form to "Current record" to prevent 
> tabbing away from the current record, it doesn't work in datasheet 
> view. Tabbing beyond the last column moves the cursor to the next record.
>
> Is that really so, or do I miss something? Access 2010.
>
> /gustav


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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sat Mar 16 18:08:20 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 19:08:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I just posted a new blog.
Message-ID: <5144FB64.5090508@gmail.com>

BTW my wife is graciously editing my blogs, though she started with the first and is working 
forward.  So I am publishing them unedited.

-- 
John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Mar 16 20:27:42 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 18:27:42 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] I just posted a new blog.
In-Reply-To: <5144FB64.5090508@gmail.com>
References: <5144FB64.5090508@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <19719A35457D4BE1AEB19474A6FE9F90@creativesystemdesigns.com>

It just goes to prove there is no successful man without a successful woman
in his life...you just can't choose too carefully. ;-)

Jim 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 4:08 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] I just posted a new blog.

BTW my wife is graciously editing my blogs, though she started with the
first and is working 
forward.  So I am publishing them unedited.

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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sun Mar 17 15:14:54 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 16:14:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Source control Access
In-Reply-To: <021701ce206e$4d2cb4f0$e7861ed0$@winhaven.net>
References: <00e001ce1fec$532268f0$f9673ad0$@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-wzNMWOXUr7x=YY8wKs340F4tFPkBsozLTitJXkn5mPw@mail.gmail.com>
	<021701ce206e$4d2cb4f0$e7861ed0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V4+LVEAtp+NMzz2xO7aUMtz8qtaT7oi67Z3FeaKSr5yzw@mail.gmail.com>

I sure wish I knew how to set up VMs and quesrion: do I have to rebuy
licenses for software that will run under vm?
On Mar 14, 2013 12:43 AM, "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
>
> When this happens I use a VM browser, turn of Viper, go to the site and
see
> what happens. Vipre is very aggressive in its protection and warnings.
> Sometimes it's a link or an ad that trigger these warnings.

From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sun Mar 17 16:11:30 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 17:11:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Source control Access
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V4+LVEAtp+NMzz2xO7aUMtz8qtaT7oi67Z3FeaKSr5yzw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00e001ce1fec$532268f0$f9673ad0$@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-wzNMWOXUr7x=YY8wKs340F4tFPkBsozLTitJXkn5mPw@mail.gmail.com>
	<021701ce206e$4d2cb4f0$e7861ed0$@winhaven.net>
	<CAGuQ9V4+LVEAtp+NMzz2xO7aUMtz8qtaT7oi67Z3FeaKSr5yzw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51463182.4020404@gmail.com>

 >do I have to rebuy licenses for software that will run under vm?

The license says it can only run (or perhaps be installed) on a single machine.  You have to meet 
that criteria.  If you have an old Access 97 hanging around that you no longer run and you install 
it on a VM, then no.  The OS for the VM however needs to be only running in one place as well.

It appears that Windows Home Server is extremely cheap ATM.  I bought 5 copies of that for IIRC 
about $39 each and use that as the OS on the VM.  I couldn't touch that price for any other OS. But 
then I wasn't trying to make a million variations of windows and office either.

BTW all the license says is that it can't run at the same time. It is my considerable lack of legal 
experience and my opinion that if you were to (for example) buy Windows 2007, install it on a VM, 
then clone that VM, then install Office 97 on one of them, Office 2000 on another, Office 2003 on 
another, Office 2007 on another etc etc., as long as you only ran one of those test environments at 
a time... the OS is only running on a single machine at a time.

You are at least meeting the spirit of the law.

Licensing for VMs is a mess.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 3/17/2013 4:14 PM, William Benson wrote:
> I sure wish I knew how to set up VMs and quesrion: do I have to rebuy
> licenses for software that will run under vm?
> On Mar 14, 2013 12:43 AM, "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
>> When this happens I use a VM browser, turn of Viper, go to the site and
> see
>> what happens. Vipre is very aggressive in its protection and warnings.
>> Sometimes it's a link or an ad that trigger these warnings.


From bill_patten at embarqmail.com  Sun Mar 17 16:15:59 2013
From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 14:15:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Source control Access
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V4+LVEAtp+NMzz2xO7aUMtz8qtaT7oi67Z3FeaKSr5yzw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00e001ce1fec$532268f0$f9673ad0$@cactus.dk><CAH+Met-wzNMWOXUr7x=YY8wKs340F4tFPkBsozLTitJXkn5mPw@mail.gmail.com><021701ce206e$4d2cb4f0$e7861ed0$@winhaven.net>
	<CAGuQ9V4+LVEAtp+NMzz2xO7aUMtz8qtaT7oi67Z3FeaKSr5yzw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4642DBE4336F4E97B3A8671F46CB2276@BPCS>

Technically you do need a new license, but I created mine from old 
decommissioned PC's so when MS said they needed to be activated, I called 
the number answered the question "How many PC's has this been installed in?" 
one and they gave me the code to activate it.

Bill

-----Original Message----- 
From: William Benson
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 1:14 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Source control Access

I sure wish I knew how to set up VMs and quesrion: do I have to rebuy
licenses for software that will run under vm?
On Mar 14, 2013 12:43 AM, "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
>
> When this happens I use a VM browser, turn of Viper, go to the site and
see
> what happens. Vipre is very aggressive in its protection and warnings.
> Sometimes it's a link or an ad that trigger these warnings.
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From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk  Sun Mar 17 17:59:56 2013
From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 22:59:56 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Source control Access
References: <00e001ce1fec$532268f0$f9673ad0$@cactus.dk><CAH+Met-wzNMWOXUr7x=YY8wKs340F4tFPkBsozLTitJXkn5mPw@mail.gmail.com><021701ce206e$4d2cb4f0$e7861ed0$@winhaven.net><CAGuQ9V4+LVEAtp+NMzz2xO7aUMtz8qtaT7oi67Z3FeaKSr5yzw@mail.gmail.com>
	<51463182.4020404@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <587E38A282BE4E7CA5877E624DE7A2DE@jamesc319792ae>

John,

Is there any problem running Office 2010 under the 2011 WHS
And do you know if it is well behaved towards Windows 8 and Office 2013

JimB


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Source control Access


> >do I have to rebuy licenses for software that will run under vm?
>
> The license says it can only run (or perhaps be installed) on a single 
> machine.  You have to meet that criteria.  If you have an old Access 97 
> hanging around that you no longer run and you install it on a VM, then no. 
> The OS for the VM however needs to be only running in one place as well.
>
> It appears that Windows Home Server is extremely cheap ATM.  I bought 5 
> copies of that for IIRC about $39 each and use that as the OS on the VM. 
> I couldn't touch that price for any other OS. But then I wasn't trying to 
> make a million variations of windows and office either.
>
> BTW all the license says is that it can't run at the same time. It is my 
> considerable lack of legal experience and my opinion that if you were to 
> (for example) buy Windows 2007, install it on a VM, then clone that VM, 
> then install Office 97 on one of them, Office 2000 on another, Office 2003 
> on another, Office 2007 on another etc etc., as long as you only ran one 
> of those test environments at a time... the OS is only running on a single 
> machine at a time.
>
> You are at least meeting the spirit of the law.
>
> Licensing for VMs is a mess.
>
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 3/17/2013 4:14 PM, William Benson wrote:
>> I sure wish I knew how to set up VMs and quesrion: do I have to rebuy
>> licenses for software that will run under vm?
>> On Mar 14, 2013 12:43 AM, "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
>>> When this happens I use a VM browser, turn of Viper, go to the site and
>> see
>>> what happens. Vipre is very aggressive in its protection and warnings.
>>> Sometimes it's a link or an ad that trigger these warnings.
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Mar 17 18:24:52 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 19:24:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Source control Access
In-Reply-To: <587E38A282BE4E7CA5877E624DE7A2DE@jamesc319792ae>
References: <00e001ce1fec$532268f0$f9673ad0$@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-wzNMWOXUr7x=YY8wKs340F4tFPkBsozLTitJXkn5mPw@mail.gmail.com>
	<021701ce206e$4d2cb4f0$e7861ed0$@winhaven.net>
	<CAGuQ9V4+LVEAtp+NMzz2xO7aUMtz8qtaT7oi67Z3FeaKSr5yzw@mail.gmail.com>
	<51463182.4020404@gmail.com>
	<587E38A282BE4E7CA5877E624DE7A2DE@jamesc319792ae>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jrVrXw+qhdUf562LD1PDPY7HgZwqAe_XB9ZfSBMWWwvw@mail.gmail.com>

JC,

My quasi-legal mind can spot a loophole in the contract, I think. Since
multi-tasking is a charade, albeit a fast one, two copies of software
cannot run at the same time, even if one is in the VM and the other one is
native. The situation is like that of a card dealer dealing out cards to
various players. Each process gets a brief moment in the sun, then next
process. Hence it's impossible for two copies on one machine to run at the
same time. :)

A.


From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk  Sun Mar 17 18:48:41 2013
From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 23:48:41 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Source control Access
References: <00e001ce1fec$532268f0$f9673ad0$@cactus.dk><CAH+Met-wzNMWOXUr7x=YY8wKs340F4tFPkBsozLTitJXkn5mPw@mail.gmail.com><021701ce206e$4d2cb4f0$e7861ed0$@winhaven.net><CAGuQ9V4+LVEAtp+NMzz2xO7aUMtz8qtaT7oi67Z3FeaKSr5yzw@mail.gmail.com><51463182.4020404@gmail.com><587E38A282BE4E7CA5877E624DE7A2DE@jamesc319792ae>
	<CAEPJO1jrVrXw+qhdUf562LD1PDPY7HgZwqAe_XB9ZfSBMWWwvw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DDE5DA37FC424ABD818EEE345521773D@jamesc319792ae>

On a single core single processor system -
But what about multi-core systems?

I suspect it would also justify a very careful reading of the wording of 
each licence.

JimB

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 11:24 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Source control Access


> JC,
>
> My quasi-legal mind can spot a loophole in the contract, I think. Since
> multi-tasking is a charade, albeit a fast one, two copies of software
> cannot run at the same time, even if one is in the VM and the other one is
> native. The situation is like that of a card dealer dealing out cards to
> various players. Each process gets a brief moment in the sun, then next
> process. Hence it's impossible for two copies on one machine to run at the
> same time. :)
>
> A.
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Mar 17 20:11:44 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 18:11:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Source control Access
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jrVrXw+qhdUf562LD1PDPY7HgZwqAe_XB9ZfSBMWWwvw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00e001ce1fec$532268f0$f9673ad0$@cactus.dk><CAH+Met-wzNMWOXUr7x=YY8wKs340F4tFPkBsozLTitJXkn5mPw@mail.gmail.com><021701ce206e$4d2cb4f0$e7861ed0$@winhaven.net><CAGuQ9V4+LVEAtp+NMzz2xO7aUMtz8qtaT7oi67Z3FeaKSr5yzw@mail.gmail.com><51463182.4020404@gmail.com><587E38A282BE4E7CA5877E624DE7A2DE@jamesc319792ae>
	<CAEPJO1jrVrXw+qhdUf562LD1PDPY7HgZwqAe_XB9ZfSBMWWwvw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FCE8FD80CC16477AACFDAF7446D8DF30@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Have you tried multiple logins, on a Linux station/server and all sharing a
single Access copy running through the Wine emulator? 

Then you can either use XRDP, a RDP connection from other Windows/Mac/Linux
stations on the network. (Just a simple remote desktop) 

...or...

via a Linux thin terminal server if you need full network and internet
access.

How legal is this? If you as a single user, using a single package on a
single computer and only extending your access; is this legal?

Note: Linux automatically handles and optimizes multiple cores so all
packages running in this environment are extended these capabilities.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 4:25 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Source control Access

JC,

My quasi-legal mind can spot a loophole in the contract, I think. Since
multi-tasking is a charade, albeit a fast one, two copies of software
cannot run at the same time, even if one is in the VM and the other one is
native. The situation is like that of a card dealer dealing out cards to
various players. Each process gets a brief moment in the sun, then next
process. Hence it's impossible for two copies on one machine to run at the
same time. :)

A.

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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Tue Mar 19 11:09:22 2013
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 12:09:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Workgroup Security [WAS: A97 and Win 7]
In-Reply-To: <CA120F2483884C07A68C9483FDDD9DAE@XPS>
References: <00fb01ce200e$6eff2910$4cfd7b30$@cactus.dk>
	<51408B2B0200006B0002BCE5@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
	<CANfetCsG8x2TCL+mMzt=M2mvQCwbVGCk5Og-yjSUZoWiR0w-xg@mail.gmail.com>
	<514339890200006B0002BDCB@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
	<CA120F2483884C07A68C9483FDDD9DAE@XPS>
Message-ID: <514855720200006B0002BF64@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>

I still have not tried this. It has been hard finding a suitable guinea pig...I don't want to harm a PC that is working. 
 
Basically, I'm beginning to think, it just cannot be done. I have run into so many road-blocks...unless someone can give me some sort of "proof" that this works, I'm thinking I'm just going to announce that it cannot be done. Yes, people claim to have run A97 on Win 7, but was that a 32-bit box? I am working on 64-bit, and it ain't budging. I have instructions, but I cannot run them...the pieces of these instructions just aren't applicable. 
 
My approach now is to somehow see if I cannot update this DB instead. The problem here though is that this particular access program has Workgroup security setup with it. I never liked Access' version of security myself, so I never got around to learning it. It won't let me update w/the security...not even an option...but I don't think I can remove the security w/out A97 running. The only machine I have A97 working...actually there are two...is a live machine, and I'm leery of messing w/those machines that are working. 
 
A question...to remove Access workgroup security, is it as simple as opening this up, on an A97 machine that works, and removing security? Is there any fallout to watch out for?
I've been at this now for more than 3 full days...I just have to move on...

>>> "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net> 3/15/2013 3:47 PM >>>
<<
Ah...that is a thought...something that I did think of earlier, but had
forgotten...uninstalling all, and then going in "older-first" order. Maybe
I'll try that Monday...I'm tapped...been at this for two whole days w/zip
for results. 
>>

Make sure you use separate directories as well...

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 03:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A97 and Win 7

Ah...that is a thought...something that I did think of earlier, but had
forgotten...uninstalling all, and then going in "older-first" order. Maybe
I'll try that Monday...I'm tapped...been at this for two whole days w/zip
for results. 

And, now I'm wondering if it is even possible for 64-bit. Any instructions
that I have been given prove to not work. 

The biggest holdup actually, seems to be a font...Tahoma. I follow the
directions right along, and all is alright...UNTIL...I get to the part where
I have to update A97 to SR2. To do this, it says you MUST remove 4 font
files...Comic and Tahomas...but the Tahoma will not go, says it is a
"Windows System Font." I cannot remove, move, or change the name of this
file. So, I try to run SR2 anyhow, and it bombs. The log points to the
Tahoma font. 

Now, if I do a version check on the Jet 3.5, it says it is Service pack 3
(SP3) w/enhanced security ...3.51.3328.0 

I don't know...back to the drawing board on Monday I guess.

>>> Stephen Hait <shait at stephenhait.com> 3/15/2013 7:40 AM >>>
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 2:20 PM, John Clark
<John.Clark at niagaracounty.com>wrote:

> OK, I am confused. I've been told...definitively...that Access 97 will not
> run on Win 7...and that it can. So, what is the answer from this group?
>

I run A97 on Win 7 32 bit all the time along with various later versions. I
don't have a version installed on 64 bit Win 7. I think I installed them in
the order of earlier versions before later.
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From jbodin at sbor.com  Tue Mar 19 11:28:38 2013
From: jbodin at sbor.com (John Bodin)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 16:28:38 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Workgroup Security [WAS: A97 and Win 7]
In-Reply-To: <514855720200006B0002BF64@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
References: <00fb01ce200e$6eff2910$4cfd7b30$@cactus.dk>
	<51408B2B0200006B0002BCE5@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
	<CANfetCsG8x2TCL+mMzt=M2mvQCwbVGCk5Og-yjSUZoWiR0w-xg@mail.gmail.com>
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Do you have XP Mode on the Win7 PC?   You could install/configure/run it that way as it s/b fine on XP.  You would then just have the shortcut on the Win7 Desktop or Start Menu.

John

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 12:09 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Workgroup Security [WAS: A97 and Win 7]

I still have not tried this. It has been hard finding a suitable guinea pig...I don't want to harm a PC that is working. 
 
Basically, I'm beginning to think, it just cannot be done. I have run into so many road-blocks...unless someone can give me some sort of "proof" that this works, I'm thinking I'm just going to announce that it cannot be done. Yes, people claim to have run A97 on Win 7, but was that a 32-bit box? I am working on 64-bit, and it ain't budging. I have instructions, but I cannot run them...the pieces of these instructions just aren't applicable. 
 
My approach now is to somehow see if I cannot update this DB instead. The problem here though is that this particular access program has Workgroup security setup with it. I never liked Access' version of security myself, so I never got around to learning it. It won't let me update w/the security...not even an option...but I don't think I can remove the security w/out A97 running. The only machine I have A97 working...actually there are two...is a live machine, and I'm leery of messing w/those machines that are working. 
 
A question...to remove Access workgroup security, is it as simple as opening this up, on an A97 machine that works, and removing security? Is there any fallout to watch out for?
I've been at this now for more than 3 full days...I just have to move on...

>>> "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net> 3/15/2013 3:47 PM >>>
<<
Ah...that is a thought...something that I did think of earlier, but had forgotten...uninstalling all, and then going in "older-first" order. Maybe I'll try that Monday...I'm tapped...been at this for two whole days w/zip for results. 
>>

Make sure you use separate directories as well...

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 03:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A97 and Win 7

Ah...that is a thought...something that I did think of earlier, but had forgotten...uninstalling all, and then going in "older-first" order. Maybe I'll try that Monday...I'm tapped...been at this for two whole days w/zip for results. 

And, now I'm wondering if it is even possible for 64-bit. Any instructions that I have been given prove to not work. 

The biggest holdup actually, seems to be a font...Tahoma. I follow the directions right along, and all is alright...UNTIL...I get to the part where I have to update A97 to SR2. To do this, it says you MUST remove 4 font files...Comic and Tahomas...but the Tahoma will not go, says it is a "Windows System Font." I cannot remove, move, or change the name of this file. So, I try to run SR2 anyhow, and it bombs. The log points to the Tahoma font. 

Now, if I do a version check on the Jet 3.5, it says it is Service pack 3
(SP3) w/enhanced security ...3.51.3328.0 

I don't know...back to the drawing board on Monday I guess.

>>> Stephen Hait <shait at stephenhait.com> 3/15/2013 7:40 AM >>>
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 2:20 PM, John Clark
<John.Clark at niagaracounty.com>wrote:

> OK, I am confused. I've been told...definitively...that Access 97 will 
> not run on Win 7...and that it can. So, what is the answer from this group?
>

I run A97 on Win 7 32 bit all the time along with various later versions. I don't have a version installed on 64 bit Win 7. I think I installed them in the order of earlier versions before later.
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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Tue Mar 19 12:18:27 2013
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 13:18:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - For Arthur
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jrVrXw+qhdUf562LD1PDPY7HgZwqAe_XB9ZfSBMWWwvw@mail.gmail.com>
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Arthur, I'd meant to send this to you on Saturday, I believe it was, but...
 
I'd recently started...again...reading Rocky's book, "From Program to Product..." and upon thumbing through it I found his interview w/you. I'd noticed that, in that interview you'd said you bought your first computer on March 15th 1983. It was only a few hours before this anniversary date w/I was reading this, so I thought I'd be clever and with you a happy 30th anniversary!
 
Like I said...just an attempt at being clever...myself, I still had a year of HS to complete after that. 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Mar 19 12:34:30 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 10:34:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Workgroup Security [WAS: A97 and Win 7]
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You are correct John that you can not run a 32 bit application like Access97
on a 64 bit box without some sort of emulator or virtual drive.

If you did get some emulator or VM running then there would be issues with
the 32 bit drivers that would not be compatible with the environment, the
hardware and A97.

I would bale on this as it is more effort than it is worth and a solution
would never work reliably. The time involved, in such an effort would be
better spent re-writing the application. 

In summary, with a new application there are so many new features that can
be accessed in this new environment.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 9:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Workgroup Security [WAS: A97 and Win 7]

I still have not tried this. It has been hard finding a suitable guinea
pig...I don't want to harm a PC that is working. 
 
Basically, I'm beginning to think, it just cannot be done. I have run into
so many road-blocks...unless someone can give me some sort of "proof" that
this works, I'm thinking I'm just going to announce that it cannot be done.
Yes, people claim to have run A97 on Win 7, but was that a 32-bit box? I am
working on 64-bit, and it ain't budging. I have instructions, but I cannot
run them...the pieces of these instructions just aren't applicable. 
 
My approach now is to somehow see if I cannot update this DB instead. The
problem here though is that this particular access program has Workgroup
security setup with it. I never liked Access' version of security myself, so
I never got around to learning it. It won't let me update w/the
security...not even an option...but I don't think I can remove the security
w/out A97 running. The only machine I have A97 working...actually there are
two...is a live machine, and I'm leery of messing w/those machines that are
working. 
 
A question...to remove Access workgroup security, is it as simple as opening
this up, on an A97 machine that works, and removing security? Is there any
fallout to watch out for?
I've been at this now for more than 3 full days...I just have to move on...

>>> "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net> 3/15/2013 3:47 PM >>>
<<
Ah...that is a thought...something that I did think of earlier, but had
forgotten...uninstalling all, and then going in "older-first" order. Maybe
I'll try that Monday...I'm tapped...been at this for two whole days w/zip
for results. 
>>

Make sure you use separate directories as well...

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 03:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A97 and Win 7

Ah...that is a thought...something that I did think of earlier, but had
forgotten...uninstalling all, and then going in "older-first" order. Maybe
I'll try that Monday...I'm tapped...been at this for two whole days w/zip
for results. 

And, now I'm wondering if it is even possible for 64-bit. Any instructions
that I have been given prove to not work. 

The biggest holdup actually, seems to be a font...Tahoma. I follow the
directions right along, and all is alright...UNTIL...I get to the part where
I have to update A97 to SR2. To do this, it says you MUST remove 4 font
files...Comic and Tahomas...but the Tahoma will not go, says it is a
"Windows System Font." I cannot remove, move, or change the name of this
file. So, I try to run SR2 anyhow, and it bombs. The log points to the
Tahoma font. 

Now, if I do a version check on the Jet 3.5, it says it is Service pack 3
(SP3) w/enhanced security ...3.51.3328.0 

I don't know...back to the drawing board on Monday I guess.

>>> Stephen Hait <shait at stephenhait.com> 3/15/2013 7:40 AM >>>
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 2:20 PM, John Clark
<John.Clark at niagaracounty.com>wrote:

> OK, I am confused. I've been told...definitively...that Access 97 will not
> run on Win 7...and that it can. So, what is the answer from this group?
>

I run A97 on Win 7 32 bit all the time along with various later versions. I
don't have a version installed on 64 bit Win 7. I think I installed them in
the order of earlier versions before later.
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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Tue Mar 19 14:12:14 2013
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 15:12:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Max length Command Line Parms for Access2007
Message-ID: <CAKvidAt3hzkOW8qpr+2UvK+_Noa2YkYGmqVaFu-5LemZHP4Hcw@mail.gmail.com>

Someone is asking the max length of command line parameters that can be
passed to Ms Access(2007).
Since there hasn't been much activity on AccessD, thought I'd ask if anyone
knew from experience or a link.

Thanks in advance.
jack

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Mar 19 14:28:56 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 15:28:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - For Arthur
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I didn't buy a cake, but I lit a  candle and put it on a blueberry muffin.
Thirty years is a long time in the business. My original computer was an
Apple II clone called a Unitron, and it came with a CP/M card. I
immediately bought an expansion card, which raised it from 48K or RAM to a
whopping 64K. Wow! The spaciousness!

Arthur


On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 1:18 PM, John Clark <John.Clark at niagaracounty.com>wrote:

> Arthur, I'd meant to send this to you on Saturday, I believe it was, but...
>
> I'd recently started...again...reading Rocky's book, "From Program to
> Product..." and upon thumbing through it I found his interview w/you. I'd
> noticed that, in that interview you'd said you bought your first computer
> on March 15th 1983. It was only a few hours before this anniversary date
> w/I was reading this, so I thought I'd be clever and with you a happy 30th
> anniversary!
>
> Like I said...just an attempt at being clever...myself, I still had a year
> of HS to complete after that.
>
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From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Mar 19 14:41:03 2013
From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 19:41:03 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Max length Command Line Parms for Access2007
References: <CAKvidAt3hzkOW8qpr+2UvK+_Noa2YkYGmqVaFu-5LemZHP4Hcw@mail.gmail.com>
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Jack,

AFAIK there would be no particular Access 2007 limit
(I have not got a copy to test)
However, there is a limit to the length of the 'line' that the OS will 
handle

A 'Bing' search with keys of
windows command line length limits
returns a variety of, at first looks, useful entries
MS KB 830473 WinXP and later - 8191 characters
MSDN 2003/12/10 56028 INTERNET_MAX_URL_LENGTH 2048
The use of Shell Extension handlers - see
see http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc144165(VS.85).aspx and 
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb776797.aspx).

A workaround (that confuses me) at
http://www.mail-archive.com/gwt-maven at googlegroups.com/msg00301.html

And that there are other limits as in
Red Hat 9 GNU/Linux appears to have a limit of about 128K characters, while 
Windows XP has a limit of 32K.

Plus a .bat limit applied as:  Any batch file line exceeding 127 bytes is 
truncated at 127 bytes before it is processed.

AND - re .cmd lines
a.. In Command Prompt, the total length of the following command line that 
you use at the command prompt cannot contain more than either 2047 or 8191 
characters (as appropriate to your operating system):
cmd.exe /k ExecutableFile.exe parameter1, parameter2 ... parameterN
a.. In a batch file, the total length of the following command line that you 
use in the batch file cannot contain more than either 2047 or 8191 
characters (as appropriate to your operating system):
cmd.exe /k ExecutableFile.exe parameter1, parameter2 ... parameterN
This limitation applies to command lines that are contained in batch files 
when you use Command Prompt to run the batch file.
a.. In Command Prompt, the total length of EnvironmentVariable1 after you 
expand EnvironmentVariable2 and EnvironmentVariable3 cannot contain more 
than either 2047 or 8191 characters (as appropriate to your operating 
system):
c:> set EnvironmentVariable1=EnvironmentVariable2EnvironmentVariable3
a.. In a batch file, the total length of the following command line after 
you expand the environment variables in the command line cannot contain more 
than either 2047 or 8191 characters (as appropriate to your operating 
system):
ExecutableFile.exe parameter1parameter2
a.. Even though the Win32 limitation for environment variables is 32,767 
characters, Command Prompt ignores any environment variables that are 
inherited from the parent process and are longer than its own limitations of 
either 2047 or 8191 characters (as appropriate to the operating system). For 
more information about the SetEnvironmentVariable function, visit the 
following Microsoft Web site:


So AFAIK - it's fun for all, and  a "depends on" answer

 JimB

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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
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Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 7:12 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Max length Command Line Parms for Access2007


> Someone is asking the max length of command line parameters that can be
> passed to Ms Access(2007).
> Since there hasn't been much activity on AccessD, thought I'd ask if 
> anyone
> knew from experience or a link.
>
> Thanks in advance.
> jack
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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Tue Mar 19 14:44:35 2013
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 15:44:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - For Arthur
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Happy 30th Arthur,
 Brings back memories. One of my colleagues, back in our PDP-11/05 Macro
assembler days, had a Sinclair he bought at a hobby shop. I remember a
friend with a TRS80, and someone at work wanted to by an Apple II.  Not
only did they get and Apple II, but had to have a LOBO external drive which
IIRC had 4 x 8" floppy drives.
jack

On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> I didn't buy a cake, but I lit a  candle and put it on a blueberry muffin.
> Thirty years is a long time in the business. My original computer was an
> Apple II clone called a Unitron, and it came with a CP/M card. I
> immediately bought an expansion card, which raised it from 48K or RAM to a
> whopping 64K. Wow! The spaciousness!
>
> Arthur
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 1:18 PM, John Clark <John.Clark at niagaracounty.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Arthur, I'd meant to send this to you on Saturday, I believe it was,
> but...
> >
> > I'd recently started...again...reading Rocky's book, "From Program to
> > Product..." and upon thumbing through it I found his interview w/you. I'd
> > noticed that, in that interview you'd said you bought your first computer
> > on March 15th 1983. It was only a few hours before this anniversary date
> > w/I was reading this, so I thought I'd be clever and with you a happy
> 30th
> > anniversary!
> >
> > Like I said...just an attempt at being clever...myself, I still had a
> year
> > of HS to complete after that.
> >
> > Notice: This electronic transmission is intended for the sole use of the
> > individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain
> confidential,
> > privileged or otherwise legally protected information. If you are not the
> > intended recipient, or if you believe you are not the intended recipient,
> > you are hereby notified that any use, disclosure, copying, distribution,
> or
> > the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this information,
> > is strictly prohibited. Niagara County is not responsible for the content
> > of any external hyperlink referenced in this email or any email.
> > IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS TRANSMISSION IN ERROR, PLEASE NOTIFY THE SENDER
> > IMMEDIATELY BY EMAIL AND DELETE THE ORIGINAL MESSAGE ALONG WITH ANY PAPER
> > OR ELECTRONIC COPIES.
> > Thank you for your cooperation.
> >
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> >
>
>
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>
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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Tue Mar 19 14:47:53 2013
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 15:47:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Max length Command Line Parms for Access2007
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	<0B5CEDB54D6D4E99ABB161F0A82F1C03@jamesc319792ae>
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Thanks Jim. I did find a couple of those sites on my search as well -  8191
and then someone who found 2048.
Thanks for responding.

On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 3:41 PM, James Button
<jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk>wrote:

> Jack,
>
> AFAIK there would be no particular Access 2007 limit
> (I have not got a copy to test)
> However, there is a limit to the length of the 'line' that the OS will
> handle
>
> A 'Bing' search with keys of
> windows command line length limits
> returns a variety of, at first looks, useful entries
> MS KB 830473 WinXP and later - 8191 characters
> MSDN 2003/12/10 56028 INTERNET_MAX_URL_LENGTH 2048
> The use of Shell Extension handlers - see
> see http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-**us/library/cc144165(VS.85).**aspx<http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc144165(VS.85).aspx>and
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-**us/library/bb776797.aspx<http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb776797.aspx>
> ).
>
> A workaround (that confuses me) at
> http://www.mail-archive.com/**gwt-maven at googlegroups.com/**msg00301.html<http://www.mail-archive.com/gwt-maven at googlegroups.com/msg00301.html>
>
> And that there are other limits as in
> Red Hat 9 GNU/Linux appears to have a limit of about 128K characters,
> while Windows XP has a limit of 32K.
>
> Plus a .bat limit applied as:  Any batch file line exceeding 127 bytes is
> truncated at 127 bytes before it is processed.
>
> AND - re .cmd lines
> a.. In Command Prompt, the total length of the following command line that
> you use at the command prompt cannot contain more than either 2047 or 8191
> characters (as appropriate to your operating system):
> cmd.exe /k ExecutableFile.exe parameter1, parameter2 ... parameterN
> a.. In a batch file, the total length of the following command line that
> you use in the batch file cannot contain more than either 2047 or 8191
> characters (as appropriate to your operating system):
> cmd.exe /k ExecutableFile.exe parameter1, parameter2 ... parameterN
> This limitation applies to command lines that are contained in batch files
> when you use Command Prompt to run the batch file.
> a.. In Command Prompt, the total length of EnvironmentVariable1 after you
> expand EnvironmentVariable2 and EnvironmentVariable3 cannot contain more
> than either 2047 or 8191 characters (as appropriate to your operating
> system):
> c:> set EnvironmentVariable1=**EnvironmentVariable2Environmen**tVariable3
> a.. In a batch file, the total length of the following command line after
> you expand the environment variables in the command line cannot contain
> more than either 2047 or 8191 characters (as appropriate to your operating
> system):
> ExecutableFile.exe parameter1parameter2
> a.. Even though the Win32 limitation for environment variables is 32,767
> characters, Command Prompt ignores any environment variables that are
> inherited from the parent process and are longer than its own limitations
> of either 2047 or 8191 characters (as appropriate to the operating system).
> For more information about the SetEnvironmentVariable function, visit the
> following Microsoft Web site:
>
>
> So AFAIK - it's fun for all, and  a "depends on" answer
>
> JimB
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "jack drawbridge" <
> jackandpat.d at gmail.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 7:12 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Max length Command Line Parms for Access2007
>
>
>  Someone is asking the max length of command line parameters that can be
>> passed to Ms Access(2007).
>> Since there hasn't been much activity on AccessD, thought I'd ask if
>> anyone
>> knew from experience or a link.
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>> jack
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>
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>

From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Mar 19 14:52:07 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 12:52:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - For Arthur
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1h497LMT_A1sZbtip4HcZ3VR-cx7Az__ru+H2A58sU43g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00e001ce1fec$532268f0$f9673ad0$@cactus.dk><CAH+Met-wzNMWOXUr7x=YY8wKs340F4tFPkBsozLTitJXkn5mPw@mail.gmail.com><021701ce206e$4d2cb4f0$e7861ed0$@winhaven.net><CAGuQ9V4+LVEAtp+NMzz2xO7aUMtz8qtaT7oi67Z3FeaKSr5yzw@mail.gmail.com><51463182.4020404@gmail.com><587E38A282BE4E7CA5877E624DE7A2DE@jamesc319792ae><CAEPJO1jrVrXw+qhdUf562LD1PDPY7HgZwqAe_XB9ZfSBMWWwvw@mail.gmail.com><514865A30200006B0002BF8C@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
	<CAEPJO1h497LMT_A1sZbtip4HcZ3VR-cx7Az__ru+H2A58sU43g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B2E6021AA3634EE3A9B1A8E4274BC7EA@creativesystemdesigns.com>

And I can beat you by a few years. Is that sad or inspiring?

...but I am still totally addicted to this stuff...is there any hope. ;-)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 12:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - For Arthur

I didn't buy a cake, but I lit a  candle and put it on a blueberry muffin.
Thirty years is a long time in the business. My original computer was an
Apple II clone called a Unitron, and it came with a CP/M card. I
immediately bought an expansion card, which raised it from 48K or RAM to a
whopping 64K. Wow! The spaciousness!

Arthur


On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 1:18 PM, John Clark
<John.Clark at niagaracounty.com>wrote:

> Arthur, I'd meant to send this to you on Saturday, I believe it was,
but...
>
> I'd recently started...again...reading Rocky's book, "From Program to
> Product..." and upon thumbing through it I found his interview w/you. I'd
> noticed that, in that interview you'd said you bought your first computer
> on March 15th 1983. It was only a few hours before this anniversary date
> w/I was reading this, so I thought I'd be clever and with you a happy 30th
> anniversary!
>
> Like I said...just an attempt at being clever...myself, I still had a year
> of HS to complete after that.
>
> Notice: This electronic transmission is intended for the sole use of the
> individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain
confidential,
> privileged or otherwise legally protected information. If you are not the
> intended recipient, or if you believe you are not the intended recipient,
> you are hereby notified that any use, disclosure, copying, distribution,
or
> the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this information,
> is strictly prohibited. Niagara County is not responsible for the content
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> IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS TRANSMISSION IN ERROR, PLEASE NOTIFY THE SENDER
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> Thank you for your cooperation.
>
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>
>


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From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Mar 19 15:28:23 2013
From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 20:28:23 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Max length Command Line Parms for Access2007
References: <CAKvidAt3hzkOW8qpr+2UvK+_Noa2YkYGmqVaFu-5LemZHP4Hcw@mail.gmail.com><0B5CEDB54D6D4E99ABB161F0A82F1C03@jamesc319792ae>
	<CAKvidAtUoHp5nz57pUwnv5XW9ZYnou-hrbRs_873HMC+beT+1Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1C2CE9EAC8CE4FD3BA3458570C37858D@jamesc319792ae>

Just tested a .bat file under 32 bit XP and it seems to be happy to find the
*.sys
 of a
dir *.sys
with over 2000 spaces between the dir and *
and it shows a PAUSE with a 150 character message

so that seems to rubbish the "127 limit in .bat" when running under
start run cmd
and when double-clicked from windows explorer.

Looks like we could be looking for an answer from someone who can actually 
test Access2007

JimB


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jack drawbridge" <jackandpat.d at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 7:47 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Max length Command Line Parms for Access2007


> Thanks Jim. I did find a couple of those sites on my search as well - 
> 8191
> and then someone who found 2048.
> Thanks for responding.
>
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 3:41 PM, James Button
> <jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk>wrote:
>
>> Jack,
>>
>> AFAIK there would be no particular Access 2007 limit
>> (I have not got a copy to test)
>> However, there is a limit to the length of the 'line' that the OS will
>> handle
>>
>> A 'Bing' search with keys of
>> windows command line length limits
>> returns a variety of, at first looks, useful entries
>> MS KB 830473 WinXP and later - 8191 characters
>> MSDN 2003/12/10 56028 INTERNET_MAX_URL_LENGTH 2048
>> The use of Shell Extension handlers - see
>> see 
>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-**us/library/cc144165(VS.85).**aspx<http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc144165(VS.85).aspx>and
>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-**us/library/bb776797.aspx<http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb776797.aspx>
>> ).
>>
>> A workaround (that confuses me) at
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/**gwt-maven at googlegroups.com/**msg00301.html<http://www.mail-archive.com/gwt-maven at googlegroups.com/msg00301.html>
>>
>> And that there are other limits as in
>> Red Hat 9 GNU/Linux appears to have a limit of about 128K characters,
>> while Windows XP has a limit of 32K.
>>
>> Plus a .bat limit applied as:  Any batch file line exceeding 127 bytes is
>> truncated at 127 bytes before it is processed.
>>
>> AND - re .cmd lines
>> a.. In Command Prompt, the total length of the following command line 
>> that
>> you use at the command prompt cannot contain more than either 2047 or 
>> 8191
>> characters (as appropriate to your operating system):
>> cmd.exe /k ExecutableFile.exe parameter1, parameter2 ... parameterN
>> a.. In a batch file, the total length of the following command line that
>> you use in the batch file cannot contain more than either 2047 or 8191
>> characters (as appropriate to your operating system):
>> cmd.exe /k ExecutableFile.exe parameter1, parameter2 ... parameterN
>> This limitation applies to command lines that are contained in batch 
>> files
>> when you use Command Prompt to run the batch file.
>> a.. In Command Prompt, the total length of EnvironmentVariable1 after you
>> expand EnvironmentVariable2 and EnvironmentVariable3 cannot contain more
>> than either 2047 or 8191 characters (as appropriate to your operating
>> system):
>> c:> set EnvironmentVariable1=**EnvironmentVariable2Environmen**tVariable3
>> a.. In a batch file, the total length of the following command line after
>> you expand the environment variables in the command line cannot contain
>> more than either 2047 or 8191 characters (as appropriate to your 
>> operating
>> system):
>> ExecutableFile.exe parameter1parameter2
>> a.. Even though the Win32 limitation for environment variables is 32,767
>> characters, Command Prompt ignores any environment variables that are
>> inherited from the parent process and are longer than its own limitations
>> of either 2047 or 8191 characters (as appropriate to the operating 
>> system).
>> For more information about the SetEnvironmentVariable function, visit the
>> following Microsoft Web site:
>>
>>
>> So AFAIK - it's fun for all, and  a "depends on" answer
>>
>> JimB
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "jack drawbridge" <
>> jackandpat.d at gmail.com>
>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
>> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 7:12 PM
>> Subject: [AccessD] Max length Command Line Parms for Access2007
>>
>>
>>  Someone is asking the max length of command line parameters that can be
>>> passed to Ms Access(2007).
>>> Since there hasn't been much activity on AccessD, thought I'd ask if
>>> anyone
>>> knew from experience or a link.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> jack
>>> --
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>> Website: 
>>> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>
>>
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>> Website: 
>> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Mar 19 17:01:06 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 08:01:06 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Workgroup Security [WAS: A97 and Win 7]
In-Reply-To: <70A64AA180A040D8968E91C2ADACF74D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <00fb01ce200e$6eff2910$4cfd7b30$@cactus.dk>,
	<514855720200006B0002BF64@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>,
	<70A64AA180A040D8968E91C2ADACF74D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <5148E022.23739.17CA4A93@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Ahem,

Windows 64 bit runs any 32 bit application automatically using WOW64,  just as 32 bit 
Windows would run any 16bit (DOS) application using WOW32.

There is no technical reason why you can't run Access97 on Win64.

All of John's problems seem to relate to.

1.   The known problem with certain font names during installation of A97 on later versions of 
Windows.

2.  Problems with the Access security and the absence of System.mdw. This is not specific to 
A97, he would have the same problem with A2000 or A2003 if they use Access built in 
security and an mdw file.

 

	
-- 
Stuart

On 19 Mar 2013 at 10:34, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> You are correct John that you can not run a 32 bit application like Access97
> on a 64 bit box without some sort of emulator or virtual drive.
> 
> If you did get some emulator or VM running then there would be issues with
> the 32 bit drivers that would not be compatible with the environment, the
> hardware and A97.
> 
> I would bale on this as it is more effort than it is worth and a solution
> would never work reliably. The time involved, in such an effort would be
> better spent re-writing the application. 
> 
> In summary, with a new application there are so many new features that can
> be accessed in this new environment.
> 
> Jim
> 


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Mar 19 17:07:17 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 08:07:17 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Workgroup Security [WAS: A97 and Win 7]
In-Reply-To: <514855720200006B0002BF64@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
References: <00fb01ce200e$6eff2910$4cfd7b30$@cactus.dk>,
	<CA120F2483884C07A68C9483FDDD9DAE@XPS>,
	<514855720200006B0002BF64@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <5148E195.434.17CFF4C6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

It seems that your only problem now is the absence of a .mdw file.

There is no difference between the security model of A97 and A2000/2003.   The all rely on a 
.mdw.

One  way to remove security is to open the application on a machine where it works and just 
export all objects to a new  unsecured mdb file.



On 19 Mar 2013 at 12:09, John Clark wrote:

> I still have not tried this. It has been hard finding a suitable
> guinea pig...I don't want to harm a PC that is working. 

> Basically, I'm beginning to think, it just cannot be done. I have run
> into so many road-blocks...unless someone can give me some sort of
> "proof" that this works, I'm thinking I'm just going to announce that
> it cannot be done. Yes, people claim to have run A97 on Win 7, but was
> that a 32-bit box? I am working on 64-bit, and it ain't budging. I
> have instructions, but I cannot run them...the pieces of these
> instructions just aren't applicable. 

> My approach now is to somehow see if I cannot update this DB instead.
> The problem here though is that this particular access program has
> Workgroup security setup with it. I never liked Access' version of
> security myself, so I never got around to learning it. It won't let me
> update w/the security...not even an option...but I don't think I can
> remove the security w/out A97 running. The only machine I have A97
> working...actually there are two...is a live machine, and I'm leery of
> messing w/those machines that are working. 

> A question...to remove Access workgroup security, is it as simple as
> opening this up, on an A97 machine that works, and removing security?
> Is there any fallout to watch out for? 

> I've been at this now for more than 3 full days...I just have to move on...
> 
> >>> "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net> 3/15/2013 3:47 PM >>>
> <<
> Ah...that is a thought...something that I did think of earlier, but had
> forgotten...uninstalling all, and then going in "older-first" order. Maybe
> I'll try that Monday...I'm tapped...been at this for two whole days w/zip
> for results. 
> >>
> 
> Make sure you use separate directories as well...
> 
> Jim.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 03:09 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A97 and Win 7
> 
> Ah...that is a thought...something that I did think of earlier, but had
> forgotten...uninstalling all, and then going in "older-first" order. Maybe
> I'll try that Monday...I'm tapped...been at this for two whole days w/zip
> for results. 
> 
> And, now I'm wondering if it is even possible for 64-bit. Any instructions
> that I have been given prove to not work. 
> 
> The biggest holdup actually, seems to be a font...Tahoma. I follow the
> directions right along, and all is alright...UNTIL...I get to the part where
> I have to update A97 to SR2. To do this, it says you MUST remove 4 font
> files...Comic and Tahomas...but the Tahoma will not go, says it is a
> "Windows System Font." I cannot remove, move, or change the name of this
> file. So, I try to run SR2 anyhow, and it bombs. The log points to the
> Tahoma font. 
> 
> Now, if I do a version check on the Jet 3.5, it says it is Service pack 3
> (SP3) w/enhanced security ...3.51.3328.0 
> 
> I don't know...back to the drawing board on Monday I guess.
> 
> >>> Stephen Hait <shait at stephenhait.com> 3/15/2013 7:40 AM >>>
> On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 2:20 PM, John Clark
> <John.Clark at niagaracounty.com>wrote:
> 
> > OK, I am confused. I've been told...definitively...that Access 97 will not
> > run on Win 7...and that it can. So, what is the answer from this group?
> >
> 
> I run A97 on Win 7 32 bit all the time along with various later versions. I
> don't have a version installed on 64 bit Win 7. I think I installed them in
> the order of earlier versions before later.
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> 
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From davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 19 17:23:13 2013
From: davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com (David A. Gibson)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 17:23:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access Workgroup Security [WAS: A97 and Win 7]
In-Reply-To: <5148E022.23739.17CA4A93@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <00fb01ce200e$6eff2910$4cfd7b30$@cactus.dk>,
	<514855720200006B0002BF64@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>,
	<70A64AA180A040D8968E91C2ADACF74D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<5148E022.23739.17CA4A93@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <01fa01ce24f0$59b2bcc0$0d183640$@gmail.com>

WIN 7/64-bit seemed to be a bit better than the 32-bit version when we
upgraded from XP SP3.  There were issues with MS Office 64-bit that didn't
seem to be clearing very quickly.  With that said, we've been using MSO
32-bit on W7 64-bit for quite a while without issues.  That would amount to
about 60 computers in my department and my four home computers also.

David Gibson

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 5:01 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Workgroup Security [WAS: A97 and Win 7]

Ahem,

Windows 64 bit runs any 32 bit application automatically using WOW64,  just
as 32 bit Windows would run any 16bit (DOS) application using WOW32.

There is no technical reason why you can't run Access97 on Win64.

All of John's problems seem to relate to.

1.   The known problem with certain font names during installation of A97 on
later versions of 
Windows.

2.  Problems with the Access security and the absence of System.mdw. This is
not specific to A97, he would have the same problem with A2000 or A2003 if
they use Access built in security and an mdw file.

 

	
-- 
Stuart

On 19 Mar 2013 at 10:34, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> You are correct John that you can not run a 32 bit application like
Access97
> on a 64 bit box without some sort of emulator or virtual drive.
> 
> If you did get some emulator or VM running then there would be issues with
> the 32 bit drivers that would not be compatible with the environment, the
> hardware and A97.
> 
> I would bale on this as it is more effort than it is worth and a solution
> would never work reliably. The time involved, in such an effort would be
> better spent re-writing the application. 
> 
> In summary, with a new application there are so many new features that can
> be accessed in this new environment.
> 
> Jim
> 

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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Mar 19 17:45:51 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 18:45:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - For Arthur
In-Reply-To: <514865A30200006B0002BF8C@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
References: <00e001ce1fec$532268f0$f9673ad0$@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-wzNMWOXUr7x=YY8wKs340F4tFPkBsozLTitJXkn5mPw@mail.gmail.com>
	<021701ce206e$4d2cb4f0$e7861ed0$@winhaven.net>
	<CAGuQ9V4+LVEAtp+NMzz2xO7aUMtz8qtaT7oi67Z3FeaKSr5yzw@mail.gmail.com>
	<51463182.4020404@gmail.com>
	<587E38A282BE4E7CA5877E624DE7A2DE@jamesc319792ae>
	<CAEPJO1jrVrXw+qhdUf562LD1PDPY7HgZwqAe_XB9ZfSBMWWwvw@mail.gmail.com>
	<514865A30200006B0002BF8C@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <5148EA9F.6070006@gmail.com>

Hmmmm

I don't remember the exact day but I built my first computer in 1977.  I had a year left in the Navy 
and the Z-80 was king at that time.  I ordered everything out of advertisements in the back of 
Popular Electronics.  It was an S100 based system with 32 kbytes of RAM though I only ever got 24K 
of that working.  It used a cassette tape to load Zapple Basic which took 3 minutes to load and used 
12K  of my 24 K so my program had to fit in the remaining 12K.  There were no programs (that I ever 
found) so I just wrote my own and used it to play around.  My only I/O was a dumb terminal and the 
cassette.

By 1983 I had built my 2nd system, a SBC (Single Board Computer) with CPM in ROM, an 80186 processor 
(full 16 bit internal and external) running at 16 mhz, with 512 KBytes of RAM.  I bought dual 8" 
floppies for $750, and Turbo Pascal which jump started my programming career.  With a modem, I 
dialed into BBS all around southern California and downloaded tons of programs.  I ended up owning a 
$16K graphics terminal that was an engineering prototype from Megatek which I used Turbo Pascal to 
write the drivers for and learned programming along the way.

The rest as they say is history.  Thirty years later!!!  OMG this must be an old boys club eh?

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 3/19/2013 1:18 PM, John Clark wrote:
> Arthur, I'd meant to send this to you on Saturday, I believe it was, but...
>   
> I'd recently started...again...reading Rocky's book, "From Program to Product..." and upon thumbing through it I found his interview w/you. I'd noticed that, in that interview you'd said you bought your first computer on March 15th 1983. It was only a few hours before this anniversary date w/I was reading this, so I thought I'd be clever and with you a happy 30th anniversary!
>   
> Like I said...just an attempt at being clever...myself, I still had a year of HS to complete after that.
>
> Notice: This electronic transmission is intended for the sole use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential, privileged or otherwise legally protected information. If you are not the intended recipient, or if you believe you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this information, is strictly prohibited. Niagara County is not responsible for the content of any external hyperlink referenced in this email or any email.
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Mar 19 17:50:49 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 18:50:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Workgroup Security [WAS: A97 and Win 7]
In-Reply-To: <5148E022.23739.17CA4A93@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <00fb01ce200e$6eff2910$4cfd7b30$@cactus.dk>,
	<514855720200006B0002BF64@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>,
	<70A64AA180A040D8968E91C2ADACF74D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<5148E022.23739.17CA4A93@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <5148EBC9.1020401@gmail.com>

Thanks for that Stuart!

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 3/19/2013 6:01 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> Ahem,
>
> Windows 64 bit runs any 32 bit application automatically using WOW64,  just as 32 bit
> Windows would run any 16bit (DOS) application using WOW32.
>
> There is no technical reason why you can't run Access97 on Win64.
>
> All of John's problems seem to relate to.
>
> 1.   The known problem with certain font names during installation of A97 on later versions of
> Windows.
>
> 2.  Problems with the Access security and the absence of System.mdw. This is not specific to
> A97, he would have the same problem with A2000 or A2003 if they use Access built in
> security and an mdw file.
>
>   
>
> 	


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Mar 19 19:35:55 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 17:35:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - For Arthur
In-Reply-To: <5148EA9F.6070006@gmail.com>
References: <00e001ce1fec$532268f0$f9673ad0$@cactus.dk><CAH+Met-wzNMWOXUr7x=YY8wKs340F4tFPkBsozLTitJXkn5mPw@mail.gmail.com><021701ce206e$4d2cb4f0$e7861ed0$@winhaven.net><CAGuQ9V4+LVEAtp+NMzz2xO7aUMtz8qtaT7oi67Z3FeaKSr5yzw@mail.gmail.com><51463182.4020404@gmail.com><587E38A282BE4E7CA5877E624DE7A2DE@jamesc319792ae><CAEPJO1jrVrXw+qhdUf562LD1PDPY7HgZwqAe_XB9ZfSBMWWwvw@mail.gmail.com><514865A30200006B0002BF8C@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
	<5148EA9F.6070006@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2A7DCE9882974FD88D4FC5DB90E74120@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hey John:

As much as things change they stay the same. 

Instead of Z80 there is the ARM and ARM A9, instead of tape drives it is the
Cloud...now the youngsters are writing network and internet drivers,
building a NAS, writing their own languages, building server clusters and so
on...

The kids have Raspberry PIs...$25.00 for a computer (friend's son has three
and is building and testing a network) and for those, really flush, there is
Parallella, the parallel processing computer for $99.00. (they are sold out
for a while but I may bite the bullet by next fall): 

https://www.linux.com/news/enterprise/systems-management/692990-introducing-
the-99-linux-supercomputer

Its all Linux OS of course but to the kids its all easy fun.

Jim   

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 3:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - For Arthur

Hmmmm

I don't remember the exact day but I built my first computer in 1977.  I had
a year left in the Navy 
and the Z-80 was king at that time.  I ordered everything out of
advertisements in the back of 
Popular Electronics.  It was an S100 based system with 32 kbytes of RAM
though I only ever got 24K 
of that working.  It used a cassette tape to load Zapple Basic which took 3
minutes to load and used 
12K  of my 24 K so my program had to fit in the remaining 12K.  There were
no programs (that I ever 
found) so I just wrote my own and used it to play around.  My only I/O was a
dumb terminal and the 
cassette.

By 1983 I had built my 2nd system, a SBC (Single Board Computer) with CPM in
ROM, an 80186 processor 
(full 16 bit internal and external) running at 16 mhz, with 512 KBytes of
RAM.  I bought dual 8" 
floppies for $750, and Turbo Pascal which jump started my programming
career.  With a modem, I 
dialed into BBS all around southern California and downloaded tons of
programs.  I ended up owning a 
$16K graphics terminal that was an engineering prototype from Megatek which
I used Turbo Pascal to 
write the drivers for and learned programming along the way.

The rest as they say is history.  Thirty years later!!!  OMG this must be an
old boys club eh?

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 3/19/2013 1:18 PM, John Clark wrote:
> Arthur, I'd meant to send this to you on Saturday, I believe it was,
but...
>   
> I'd recently started...again...reading Rocky's book, "From Program to
Product..." and upon thumbing through it I found his interview w/you. I'd
noticed that, in that interview you'd said you bought your first computer on
March 15th 1983. It was only a few hours before this anniversary date w/I
was reading this, so I thought I'd be clever and with you a happy 30th
anniversary!
>   
> Like I said...just an attempt at being clever...myself, I still had a year
of HS to complete after that.
>
> Notice: This electronic transmission is intended for the sole use of the
individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential,
privileged or otherwise legally protected information. If you are not the
intended recipient, or if you believe you are not the intended recipient,
you are hereby notified that any use, disclosure, copying, distribution, or
the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this information, is
strictly prohibited. Niagara County is not responsible for the content of
any external hyperlink referenced in this email or any email.
> IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS TRANSMISSION IN ERROR, PLEASE NOTIFY THE SENDER
IMMEDIATELY BY EMAIL AND DELETE THE ORIGINAL MESSAGE ALONG WITH ANY PAPER OR
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Mar 19 21:57:19 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 22:57:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - For Arthur
In-Reply-To: <2A7DCE9882974FD88D4FC5DB90E74120@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <00e001ce1fec$532268f0$f9673ad0$@cactus.dk><CAH+Met-wzNMWOXUr7x=YY8wKs340F4tFPkBsozLTitJXkn5mPw@mail.gmail.com><021701ce206e$4d2cb4f0$e7861ed0$@winhaven.net><CAGuQ9V4+LVEAtp+NMzz2xO7aUMtz8qtaT7oi67Z3FeaKSr5yzw@mail.gmail.com><51463182.4020404@gmail.com><587E38A282BE4E7CA5877E624DE7A2DE@jamesc319792ae><CAEPJO1jrVrXw+qhdUf562LD1PDPY7HgZwqAe_XB9ZfSBMWWwvw@mail.gmail.com><514865A30200006B0002BF8C@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
	<5148EA9F.6070006@gmail.com>
	<2A7DCE9882974FD88D4FC5DB90E74120@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <5149258F.8090705@gmail.com>

Cool.  We can run Wine on it and slow it down to the speed of my 1989 Windows 3.0 system.  Or eschew 
Windows and...

How about we build an UnRaid emulator with a billion SSds,  for a petabyte SSD SAN, performing 
Folding at Home in the background?

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 3/19/2013 8:35 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hey John:
>
> As much as things change they stay the same.
>
> Instead of Z80 there is the ARM and ARM A9, instead of tape drives it is the
> Cloud...now the youngsters are writing network and internet drivers,
> building a NAS, writing their own languages, building server clusters and so
> on...
>
> The kids have Raspberry PIs...$25.00 for a computer (friend's son has three
> and is building and testing a network) and for those, really flush, there is
> Parallella, the parallel processing computer for $99.00. (they are sold out
> for a while but I may bite the bullet by next fall):
>
> https://www.linux.com/news/enterprise/systems-management/692990-introducing-
> the-99-linux-supercomputer
>
> Its all Linux OS of course but to the kids its all easy fun.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 3:46 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - For Arthur
>
> Hmmmm
>
> I don't remember the exact day but I built my first computer in 1977.  I had
> a year left in the Navy
> and the Z-80 was king at that time.  I ordered everything out of
> advertisements in the back of
> Popular Electronics.  It was an S100 based system with 32 kbytes of RAM
> though I only ever got 24K
> of that working.  It used a cassette tape to load Zapple Basic which took 3
> minutes to load and used
> 12K  of my 24 K so my program had to fit in the remaining 12K.  There were
> no programs (that I ever
> found) so I just wrote my own and used it to play around.  My only I/O was a
> dumb terminal and the
> cassette.
>
> By 1983 I had built my 2nd system, a SBC (Single Board Computer) with CPM in
> ROM, an 80186 processor
> (full 16 bit internal and external) running at 16 mhz, with 512 KBytes of
> RAM.  I bought dual 8"
> floppies for $750, and Turbo Pascal which jump started my programming
> career.  With a modem, I
> dialed into BBS all around southern California and downloaded tons of
> programs.  I ended up owning a
> $16K graphics terminal that was an engineering prototype from Megatek which
> I used Turbo Pascal to
> write the drivers for and learned programming along the way.
>
> The rest as they say is history.  Thirty years later!!!  OMG this must be an
> old boys club eh?
>
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 3/19/2013 1:18 PM, John Clark wrote:
>> Arthur, I'd meant to send this to you on Saturday, I believe it was,
> but...
>>    
>> I'd recently started...again...reading Rocky's book, "From Program to
> Product..." and upon thumbing through it I found his interview w/you. I'd
> noticed that, in that interview you'd said you bought your first computer on
> March 15th 1983. It was only a few hours before this anniversary date w/I
> was reading this, so I thought I'd be clever and with you a happy 30th
> anniversary!
>>    
>> Like I said...just an attempt at being clever...myself, I still had a year
> of HS to complete after that.
>> Notice: This electronic transmission is intended for the sole use of the
> individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential,
> privileged or otherwise legally protected information. If you are not the
> intended recipient, or if you believe you are not the intended recipient,
> you are hereby notified that any use, disclosure, copying, distribution, or
> the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this information, is
> strictly prohibited. Niagara County is not responsible for the content of
> any external hyperlink referenced in this email or any email.
>> IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS TRANSMISSION IN ERROR, PLEASE NOTIFY THE SENDER
> IMMEDIATELY BY EMAIL AND DELETE THE ORIGINAL MESSAGE ALONG WITH ANY PAPER OR
> ELECTRONIC COPIES.
>> Thank you for your cooperation.
>>
>>


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Tue Mar 19 22:06:54 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 20:06:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Source control Access
In-Reply-To: <00a001ce169f$09bbd940$1d338bc0$@cactus.dk>
References: <00a001ce169f$09bbd940$1d338bc0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <910D1813-1DD6-4F73-AE26-76FE2E9A262C@phulse.com>


Which is precisely why you don't want to use VSS. :)

Good lord, are people still using it these days? Very few software products push me to the point of loathing them and VSS was definitely one of those. Even CVS is preferable.

- Hans



On 2013-03-01, at 9:05 AM, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi John
> 
> OK, that makes sense. However, I think (haven't worked much with it) that
> most issues are related to multi-user use of VSS.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John W Colby
> Sendt: 1. marts 2013 17:54
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Source control Access
> 
> LOL, no.  Even MS gave up on Sourcesafe.  Google it and all you find (and I
> do mean ALL) is "it sucks so bad".
> 
> One way or the other, they already use their own chosen SC system and so
> going out to get sourcesafe is a non-started.
> 
> John W. Colby
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> On 3/1/2013 11:41 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
>> Hi John
>> 
>>> .. I will not be using SourceSafe.
>> Then you will be reinventing the wheel. Is it a licensing issue?
>> 
>> /gustav
>> 
>> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John W Colby
>> Sendt: 1. marts 2013 17:16
>> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Emne: [AccessD] Source control Access
>> 
>> Working for the Borg, I suddenly have a need to source control my 
>> access projects.  Other than the data, everything in Access can be 
>> easily dumped to text files, and from there pulled into a source 
>> control package.  Before I go redesigning the wheel, I'm asking if 
>> anyone out there has this functioning.  And no I will not be using
> SourceSafe.
>> 
>> --
>> John W. Colby
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Mar 20 05:20:32 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 11:20:32 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT - For Arthur
Message-ID: <002101ce2554$8e29fcc0$aa7df640$@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Sometimes I send Anders a thought: 

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Hejlsberg

Not sure if he receives it, but does that matter? 

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John W Colby
Sendt: 19. marts 2013 23:46
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] OT - For Arthur

.. Turbo Pascal which jump started my programming career. 



From vbacreations at gmail.com  Wed Mar 20 06:50:23 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 07:50:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Source control Access
In-Reply-To: <5133CFAE.8050905@gmail.com>
References: <00a001ce169f$09bbd940$1d338bc0$@cactus.dk>
	<5133CFAE.8050905@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V7UqU58=JY5-qUfcHC+Q1=iMV-63GK95XV55+FEfGUUWg@mail.gmail.com>

Not nececelery.

> Well source control by definition should be multi-user.

From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Wed Mar 20 07:14:43 2013
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 08:14:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Workgroup Security [WAS: A97 and Win 7]
In-Reply-To: <5148E022.23739.17CA4A93@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <00fb01ce200e$6eff2910$4cfd7b30$@cactus.dk>,
	<514855720200006B0002BF64@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>,
	<70A64AA180A040D8968E91C2ADACF74D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<5148E022.23739.17CA4A93@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <51496FF30200006B0002BFB3@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>

Well, I've pretty much thrown up the white flag. I hope to still get security off and upgrade this down the road, but for now, I'm done. I've been working on it since last Wednesday...I put my entire Thursday and Friday into it, a large chunk of Monday, and almost all of yesterday. My buddy here is creating me a machine w/XP and then we're going to have this one user operate w/two computers...sharing a monitor. The department is really breathing down my neck...their director is...well, I can't publicly type what she is. 
 
I'm not able to argue this case either way...I definitely bow to the experience and knowledge of most of you out here. But, I honestly don't see how it does work. I mean, I'm not a newbie...I've been a tech and a programmer for 20 yrs now (I know...some of you have much more under your belt), and I've beat some pretty interesting problems. I'm just trying to say, I'm not normally beat by something like this. But, I've tried this on several PCs now and I've just gotten nowhere. 
 
That problem w/the Tahoma font...that is one I cannot see a way past. Every clue I find points to it being a must to install SP2. And, to do this, you must rename/move the Tahoma font (and another). I see no way to accomplish this, and the SP2 install bombs out every time. 
 
Now, I will say, one MY computer, when I look at the jet version, it does not report, what seems to be, a sufficient version number. I don't know how I got there, but it says it is now 3.51.3328.0 ...SP3 w/enhanced security as I read it. 
 
And, like you say I am also seeing the issue w/the absense of SYSTEM.MDW. This, I suspect might be an issue w/Active Directory. We are most of the way through a network migration to AD...we've been a Novell shop since I got here 18 yrs ago...and I came from another job that also had Novell. So, this part could very well be my own ignorance of AD. I did find suggestions that this error has to do w/basically rights issues...the ability of the user to write to /WINDOWS/SYSTEM32. But, on my PC I know I have these rights...well, I am 95% sure...I can't claim anything at 100% being new as I am to the AD environment.  But, I have done some tests, and I've move SYSTEM.MDW in and out of this directory. 
 
I do know that I never had any of these problems w/any machine previous to Win 7, and w/Win 7 I've never had a problem w/any other version of Access 2000 and up. But, again, I haven't played w/ANY of this, since we've gone over to AD.
 
So, I'm sure I'll be picking your brains some more...I'm hoping y'all will keep this subject open and offer any advice you think of. But, for now, I've gotta do what I can to get this on their desk and working...hopefully today. 
 
Oh...it probably goes w/out saying, but I have no problem saying it...Thank you all very much for ANY advice or tips you have given me thus far...on this and any topic I've offered up. I really do appreciate the time any person takes to offer up anything. There have been responses that haven't panned out, that have actually helped me w/some other issue down the road...seems to happen quite a bit for me actually...so Thank you to ALL.

>>> "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> 3/19/2013 6:01 PM >>>
Ahem,

Windows 64 bit runs any 32 bit application automatically using WOW64,  just as 32 bit 
Windows would run any 16bit (DOS) application using WOW32.

There is no technical reason why you can't run Access97 on Win64.

All of John's problems seem to relate to.

1.   The known problem with certain font names during installation of A97 on later versions of 
Windows.

2.  Problems with the Access security and the absence of System.mdw. This is not specific to 
A97, he would have the same problem with A2000 or A2003 if they use Access built in 
security and an mdw file.




-- 
Stuart

On 19 Mar 2013 at 10:34, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> You are correct John that you can not run a 32 bit application like Access97
> on a 64 bit box without some sort of emulator or virtual drive.
> 
> If you did get some emulator or VM running then there would be issues with
> the 32 bit drivers that would not be compatible with the environment, the
> hardware and A97.
> 
> I would bale on this as it is more effort than it is worth and a solution
> would never work reliably. The time involved, in such an effort would be
> better spent re-writing the application. 
> 
> In summary, with a new application there are so many new features that can
> be accessed in this new environment.
> 
> Jim
> 

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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Mar 20 07:30:53 2013
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 08:30:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Workgroup Security [WAS: A97 and Win 7]
In-Reply-To: <51496FF30200006B0002BFB3@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
References: <00fb01ce200e$6eff2910$4cfd7b30$@cactus.dk>,
	<514855720200006B0002BF64@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>,
	<70A64AA180A040D8968E91C2ADACF74D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<5148E022.23739.17CA4A93@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<51496FF30200006B0002BFB3@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <8D6A97CC568F4AFE87143D1E882BCD73@XPS>

John,

 I sent you an off-line e-mail yesterday.  Check your spam folder.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 08:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Workgroup Security [WAS: A97 and Win 7]

<<snip>>


From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 20 10:58:35 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 08:58:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - For Arthur
In-Reply-To: <5149258F.8090705@gmail.com>
References: <00e001ce1fec$532268f0$f9673ad0$@cactus.dk><CAH+Met-wzNMWOXUr7x=YY8wKs340F4tFPkBsozLTitJXkn5mPw@mail.gmail.com><021701ce206e$4d2cb4f0$e7861ed0$@winhaven.net><CAGuQ9V4+LVEAtp+NMzz2xO7aUMtz8qtaT7oi67Z3FeaKSr5yzw@mail.gmail.com><51463182.4020404@gmail.com><587E38A282BE4E7CA5877E624DE7A2DE@jamesc319792ae><CAEPJO1jrVrXw+qhdUf562LD1PDPY7HgZwqAe_XB9ZfSBMWWwvw@mail.gmail.com><514865A30200006B0002BF8C@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com><5148EA9F.6070006@gmail.com><2A7DCE9882974FD88D4FC5DB90E74120@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<5149258F.8090705@gmail.com>
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Hi John:

Quote directly from the Wine Wiki:

"...Programs running in Wine act as native programs would, without the
performance/memory penalties of an emulator..."

In fact Access running under Wine on a Linux computer, runs faster than the
same application does on the same computer running Windows. Wine developers
go so far as to say that Access can run on a computer, with a Linux OS that
the combination of Windows-Access could not run.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 7:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - For Arthur

Cool.  We can run Wine on it and slow it down to the speed of my 1989
Windows 3.0 system.  Or eschew 
Windows and...

How about we build an UnRaid emulator with a billion SSds,  for a petabyte
SSD SAN, performing 
Folding at Home in the background?

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 3/19/2013 8:35 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hey John:
>
> As much as things change they stay the same.
>
> Instead of Z80 there is the ARM and ARM A9, instead of tape drives it is
the
> Cloud...now the youngsters are writing network and internet drivers,
> building a NAS, writing their own languages, building server clusters and
so
> on...
>
> The kids have Raspberry PIs...$25.00 for a computer (friend's son has
three
> and is building and testing a network) and for those, really flush, there
is
> Parallella, the parallel processing computer for $99.00. (they are sold
out
> for a while but I may bite the bullet by next fall):
>
>
https://www.linux.com/news/enterprise/systems-management/692990-introducing-
> the-99-linux-supercomputer
>
> Its all Linux OS of course but to the kids its all easy fun.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 3:46 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - For Arthur
>
> Hmmmm
>
> I don't remember the exact day but I built my first computer in 1977.  I
had
> a year left in the Navy
> and the Z-80 was king at that time.  I ordered everything out of
> advertisements in the back of
> Popular Electronics.  It was an S100 based system with 32 kbytes of RAM
> though I only ever got 24K
> of that working.  It used a cassette tape to load Zapple Basic which took
3
> minutes to load and used
> 12K  of my 24 K so my program had to fit in the remaining 12K.  There were
> no programs (that I ever
> found) so I just wrote my own and used it to play around.  My only I/O was
a
> dumb terminal and the
> cassette.
>
> By 1983 I had built my 2nd system, a SBC (Single Board Computer) with CPM
in
> ROM, an 80186 processor
> (full 16 bit internal and external) running at 16 mhz, with 512 KBytes of
> RAM.  I bought dual 8"
> floppies for $750, and Turbo Pascal which jump started my programming
> career.  With a modem, I
> dialed into BBS all around southern California and downloaded tons of
> programs.  I ended up owning a
> $16K graphics terminal that was an engineering prototype from Megatek
which
> I used Turbo Pascal to
> write the drivers for and learned programming along the way.
>
> The rest as they say is history.  Thirty years later!!!  OMG this must be
an
> old boys club eh?
>
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 3/19/2013 1:18 PM, John Clark wrote:
>> Arthur, I'd meant to send this to you on Saturday, I believe it was,
> but...
>>    
>> I'd recently started...again...reading Rocky's book, "From Program to
> Product..." and upon thumbing through it I found his interview w/you. I'd
> noticed that, in that interview you'd said you bought your first computer
on
> March 15th 1983. It was only a few hours before this anniversary date w/I
> was reading this, so I thought I'd be clever and with you a happy 30th
> anniversary!
>>    
>> Like I said...just an attempt at being clever...myself, I still had a
year
> of HS to complete after that.
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 20 10:59:49 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 08:59:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - For Arthur
In-Reply-To: <002101ce2554$8e29fcc0$aa7df640$@cactus.dk>
References: <002101ce2554$8e29fcc0$aa7df640$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <FC5C5BCBA965492AB0451E79FFC4D6DA@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Gustav:

Truly one of the great men of the computing world.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 3:21 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - For Arthur

Hi John

Sometimes I send Anders a thought: 

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Hejlsberg

Not sure if he receives it, but does that matter? 

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John W Colby
Sendt: 19. marts 2013 23:46
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] OT - For Arthur

.. Turbo Pascal which jump started my programming career. 


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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Mar 20 11:08:14 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 12:08:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - For Arthur
In-Reply-To: <FC5C5BCBA965492AB0451E79FFC4D6DA@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <002101ce2554$8e29fcc0$aa7df640$@cactus.dk>
	<FC5C5BCBA965492AB0451E79FFC4D6DA@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jTkn_zybU=dKx2pREUB_qO5CZXrg5YWuRiuHJrL67X-A@mail.gmail.com>

Jim et. al.,

I just noticed that the developer of Wine for Linux is working on Wine for
Android and hopes to unleash it soon. Google "wine for Android" and you'll
find it.


From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 20 11:37:52 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:37:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - For Arthur
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jTkn_zybU=dKx2pREUB_qO5CZXrg5YWuRiuHJrL67X-A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002101ce2554$8e29fcc0$aa7df640$@cactus.dk><FC5C5BCBA965492AB0451E79FFC4D6DA@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAEPJO1jTkn_zybU=dKx2pREUB_qO5CZXrg5YWuRiuHJrL67X-A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9B12F064ED2C41E5A2E3A5AFBA17AF07@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Arthur:

This will be good if you wish to run your Windows application on
Android...with no loss in performance. 

OTOH I would suspect that a full office version would not work unless your
Android phone is sporting a full GB of RAM...but how about VS? ;-)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 9:08 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - For Arthur

Jim et. al.,

I just noticed that the developer of Wine for Linux is working on Wine for
Android and hopes to unleash it soon. Google "wine for Android" and you'll
find it.

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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Wed Mar 20 11:55:44 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:55:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Source control Access
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V7UqU58=JY5-qUfcHC+Q1=iMV-63GK95XV55+FEfGUUWg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00a001ce169f$09bbd940$1d338bc0$@cactus.dk>
	<5133CFAE.8050905@gmail.com>
	<CAGuQ9V7UqU58=JY5-qUfcHC+Q1=iMV-63GK95XV55+FEfGUUWg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <344E407C-6068-4281-97EB-66F662FAEE57@phulse.com>

An apt analogy would be comparing a 4-5 seater car with one that only has 1 seat. The car with only a single seat may have just as powerful an engine and so forth, but the real question is why would you want one that has such a fundamental limitation?

- Hans


On 2013-03-20, at 4:50 AM, William Benson <vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote:

> Not nececelery.
> 
>> Well source control by definition should be multi-user.
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From kathryn at bassett.net  Wed Mar 20 12:10:17 2013
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 10:10:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Forms/Queries Relationships
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YfCgAAAEAAAAESOXuHjaYNJql12JszBhGYBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>

I have an mdb with 3 (stand-alone) tables, 49 queries, 2 forms (I tend to
not use them, as it's easier to use the queries), and 38 reports. I want to
do some housekeeping by eliminating some of the queries, and re-naming some
of them. But I need to know which reports refer to what queries.

My question: Is there some built-in utility that will give me a list of each
of the report names, with the name of the query or table it is based on?
(Yes, I think there are a couple of the first made reports that are based on
the table instead of a query, from when I didn't know better).

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http://bassett.net?? 




From kathryn at bassett.net  Wed Mar 20 12:14:56 2013
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 10:14:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Path name/length
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YfCgAAAEAAAAEVMPeCN5EFHrE6ZWWKSBdABAAAAAA==@bassett.net>

Every time I open Access (2010), I get this message:

MS Access can't change the working directory to
c:\users\Kathryn2012\documents\Access\!Kathryn
Verify that the drive is valid and the path is 260 characters or less in
length

My databases are in
C:\Users\Kathryn2012\Documents\Dropbox\KRB-Docs\Access\!Kathryn 

If I just click ok, Access opens the way it should and there is no problem,
but why is it giving me this message in the first place? Why is it *trying*
to change the directory?

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"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net?? 





From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Mar 20 12:27:54 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 10:27:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Forms/Queries Relationships
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YfCgAAAEAAAAESOXuHjaYNJql12JszBhGYBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YfCgAAAEAAAAESOXuHjaYNJql12JszBhGYBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>
Message-ID: <0EC9E6333B0E43E5B6D702EBD56E95A5@HAL9007>

I think you could get most of that from Rick Fisher's Find and Replace.

R 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn Bassett
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 10:10 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Forms/Queries Relationships

I have an mdb with 3 (stand-alone) tables, 49 queries, 2 forms (I tend to
not use them, as it's easier to use the queries), and 38 reports. I want to
do some housekeeping by eliminating some of the queries, and re-naming some
of them. But I need to know which reports refer to what queries.

My question: Is there some built-in utility that will give me a list of each
of the report names, with the name of the query or table it is based on?
(Yes, I think there are a couple of the first made reports that are based on
the table instead of a query, from when I didn't know better).

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From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Mar 20 12:30:34 2013
From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 17:30:34 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Path name/length
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YfCgAAAEAAAAEVMPeCN5EFHrE6ZWWKSBdABAAAAAA==@bassett.net>
Message-ID: <40FF56D51CB84B158E3AE1C37C21B2B4@jamesc319792ae>

The foldernames you give are different for the implied CDir in Access and 
the actual file location
Could be the 'Start' icon you are using is a shortcut - if so, check it's 
properties, and adjust as appropriate

Then, when Access is loaded go to File Options and check through that - 
starting with
General
Default Database Folder

JimB

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From: "Kathryn Bassett" <kathryn at bassett.net>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 5:14 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Path name/length


Every time I open Access (2010), I get this message:

MS Access can't change the working directory to
c:\users\Kathryn2012\documents\Access\!Kathryn
Verify that the drive is valid and the path is 260 characters or less in
length

My databases are in
C:\Users\Kathryn2012\Documents\Dropbox\KRB-Docs\Access\!Kathryn

If I just click ok, Access opens the way it should and there is no problem,
but why is it giving me this message in the first place? Why is it *trying*
to change the directory?

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"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net




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From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Wed Mar 20 12:31:30 2013
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 17:31:30 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Forms/Queries Relationships
In-Reply-To: <0EC9E6333B0E43E5B6D702EBD56E95A5@HAL9007>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YfCgAAAEAAAAESOXuHjaYNJql12JszBhGYBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>
	<0EC9E6333B0E43E5B6D702EBD56E95A5@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CALGJE96Pn+zD+Qnxbsne0tT-_CVo2MCqDxvLVHeXFoGizCoAzw@mail.gmail.com>

Long time since I have used it, but doesn't the built in documenter in
Access tell you ?

On 20 March 2013 17:27, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> I think you could get most of that from Rick Fisher's Find and Replace.
>
> R
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn Bassett
> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 10:10 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Forms/Queries Relationships
>
> I have an mdb with 3 (stand-alone) tables, 49 queries, 2 forms (I tend to
> not use them, as it's easier to use the queries), and 38 reports. I want to
> do some housekeeping by eliminating some of the queries, and re-naming some
> of them. But I need to know which reports refer to what queries.
>
> My question: Is there some built-in utility that will give me a list of
> each
> of the report names, with the name of the query or table it is based on?
> (Yes, I think there are a couple of the first made reports that are based
> on
> the table instead of a query, from when I didn't know better).
>
> --
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> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net
>
>
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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Wed Mar 20 12:31:37 2013
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:31:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Forms/Queries Relationships
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YfCgAAAEAAAAESOXuHjaYNJql12JszBhGYBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YfCgAAAEAAAAESOXuHjaYNJql12JszBhGYBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAsEZV0SxyY4Oiyw12UawgiLMp2-t3fdkCjU_iKzs6FvrQ@mail.gmail.com>

Kathryn,

I'm not aware of anything built in (other than the Documentor).
But here is a routine to open each report and list the name and the
recordsource to immediate window. Hope it helps.
It could be setup to populate a table. I haven't tried to parse the
output/recordsource to identify tables specifically.

Sub ListReportRecordSources()

' List the recordsources of all reports.


    On Error GoTo Err_Handler

    Dim db As DAO.Database
    Dim Doc As DAO.Document

    Dim lngReportCount As Long

    Debug.Print "*** Beginning scan of Reports for Record Source field "

    Set db = CurrentDb

    For Each Doc In db.Containers("Reports").Documents

        DoCmd.OpenReport Doc.name, acDesign, WindowMode:=acHidden

        With Reports(Doc.name)

            lngReportCount = lngReportCount + 1

            Debug.Print "Report " & .name & " RecordSource: " &
.RecordSource

            DoCmd.Close acReport, .name
        End With
    Next Doc

Exit_Point:
    Set Doc = Nothing
    Set db = Nothing

    Debug.Print "*** Scanned " & lngReportCount & " reports."
    Exit Sub

Err_Handler:
    MsgBox Err.Description, vbExclamation, "Error " & Err.number
    Resume Exit_Point

End Sub

On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Kathryn Bassett <kathryn at bassett.net>wrote:

> I have an mdb with 3 (stand-alone) tables, 49 queries, 2 forms (I tend to
> not use them, as it's easier to use the queries), and 38 reports. I want to
> do some housekeeping by eliminating some of the queries, and re-naming some
> of them. But I need to know which reports refer to what queries.
>
> My question: Is there some built-in utility that will give me a list of
> each
> of the report names, with the name of the query or table it is based on?
> (Yes, I think there are a couple of the first made reports that are based
> on
> the table instead of a query, from when I didn't know better).
>
> --
> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net
>
>
>
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Wed Mar 20 12:48:06 2013
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:48:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Path name/length
In-Reply-To: <40FF56D51CB84B158E3AE1C37C21B2B4@jamesc319792ae>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YfCgAAAEAAAAEVMPeCN5EFHrE6ZWWKSBdABAAAAAA==@bassett.net>
	<40FF56D51CB84B158E3AE1C37C21B2B4@jamesc319792ae>
Message-ID: <CAAZtbWGTmDqsBUHMKe=_bvFxLuvBnMgr2diJf0Bc3Ez8Z4bDUQ@mail.gmail.com>

maybe the ! in the path is giving Access a fit?

Bryan

On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 1:30 PM, James Button
<jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> The foldernames you give are different for the implied CDir in Access and
> the actual file location
> Could be the 'Start' icon you are using is a shortcut - if so, check it's
> properties, and adjust as appropriate
>
> Then, when Access is loaded go to File Options and check through that -
> starting with
> General
> Default Database Folder
>
> JimB
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathryn Bassett" <kathryn at bassett.net>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 5:14 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Path name/length
>
>
>
> Every time I open Access (2010), I get this message:
>
> MS Access can't change the working directory to
> c:\users\Kathryn2012\documents\Access\!Kathryn
> Verify that the drive is valid and the path is 260 characters or less in
> length
>
> My databases are in
> C:\Users\Kathryn2012\Documents\Dropbox\KRB-Docs\Access\!Kathryn
>
> If I just click ok, Access opens the way it should and there is no problem,
> but why is it giving me this message in the first place? Why is it *trying*
> to change the directory?
>
> --
> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net
>
>
>
>
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Mar 20 13:09:09 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 14:09:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - For Arthur
In-Reply-To: <9B12F064ED2C41E5A2E3A5AFBA17AF07@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <002101ce2554$8e29fcc0$aa7df640$@cactus.dk>
	<FC5C5BCBA965492AB0451E79FFC4D6DA@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAEPJO1jTkn_zybU=dKx2pREUB_qO5CZXrg5YWuRiuHJrL67X-A@mail.gmail.com>
	<9B12F064ED2C41E5A2E3A5AFBA17AF07@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gef4577+5UP4uub56=XRb9M0s9F2bEkiWD4rhNF4=jhw@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,

My ambitions are much more modest, and my thoughts of apps deployed so are
directed at two of my previous apps, whose contractors come back about once
a year for en enhancement or two, so I get a week or two's work out of each
of them per year. Both apps are pretty lightweight (fewer than 30 tables),
and both would profit immensely with a tablet-app; in one case it's a
horse-stable and in the other a number of factories.

Meanwhile I'm also very interested in the Alpha Anywhere product, still in
beta, and I'm developing both apps in the Alpha Anywhere environment --
which, in overall terms, I would place ahead of anything I've seen in the
way of developer tools for tablets and smart-phones and simple classic
web-sites -- but with a serious proviso: the company is committed to
Windows and I wish this were not the case. But still, lots of site-host
outfits like GoDaddy.com and many others will provide a Windows Server base
upon which one can install the Alpha app-server. But in my years of
semi-retirement, I would really like to cut as many bonds with MS as
possible.

At the moment, all I'm thinking about in this vein is Access RunTime +
myApp + Wine in a tiny Linux like CrunchBang, whose footprint is a mere
80MB; but this could conceivably work in any Android tablet. We shall see.

A.


From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 20 13:25:48 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 11:25:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - For Arthur
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gef4577+5UP4uub56=XRb9M0s9F2bEkiWD4rhNF4=jhw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002101ce2554$8e29fcc0$aa7df640$@cactus.dk><FC5C5BCBA965492AB0451E79FFC4D6DA@creativesystemdesigns.com><CAEPJO1jTkn_zybU=dKx2pREUB_qO5CZXrg5YWuRiuHJrL67X-A@mail.gmail.com><9B12F064ED2C41E5A2E3A5AFBA17AF07@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAEPJO1gef4577+5UP4uub56=XRb9M0s9F2bEkiWD4rhNF4=jhw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6E9C4E0DF0B54DB8A10733FABD59EF14@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Arthur:

I am very interested in your progress on the Alpha platform, in particular
to how far you have gone in the area of web deployment.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 11:09 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - For Arthur

Jim,

My ambitions are much more modest, and my thoughts of apps deployed so are
directed at two of my previous apps, whose contractors come back about once
a year for en enhancement or two, so I get a week or two's work out of each
of them per year. Both apps are pretty lightweight (fewer than 30 tables),
and both would profit immensely with a tablet-app; in one case it's a
horse-stable and in the other a number of factories.

Meanwhile I'm also very interested in the Alpha Anywhere product, still in
beta, and I'm developing both apps in the Alpha Anywhere environment --
which, in overall terms, I would place ahead of anything I've seen in the
way of developer tools for tablets and smart-phones and simple classic
web-sites -- but with a serious proviso: the company is committed to
Windows and I wish this were not the case. But still, lots of site-host
outfits like GoDaddy.com and many others will provide a Windows Server base
upon which one can install the Alpha app-server. But in my years of
semi-retirement, I would really like to cut as many bonds with MS as
possible.

At the moment, all I'm thinking about in this vein is Access RunTime +
myApp + Wine in a tiny Linux like CrunchBang, whose footprint is a mere
80MB; but this could conceivably work in any Android tablet. We shall see.

A.

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From kathryn at bassett.net  Wed Mar 20 16:31:36 2013
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 14:31:36 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Forms/Queries Relationships
In-Reply-To: <CALGJE96Pn+zD+Qnxbsne0tT-_CVo2MCqDxvLVHeXFoGizCoAzw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YfCgAAAEAAAAESOXuHjaYNJql12JszBhGYBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>	<0EC9E6333B0E43E5B6D702EBD56E95A5@HAL9007>
	<CALGJE96Pn+zD+Qnxbsne0tT-_CVo2MCqDxvLVHeXFoGizCoAzw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAAJZ+PFffEORNoxjYF67HAM4BAAAAAA==@bassett.net>

Thanks for the suggestion about Documenter. I've never used it so it took
some experimenting to eliminate a lot of extraneous information. But I
finally got a result that didn't give me so much and I could find the
answers. Exported to a text file and deleted most of it so I ended up with
this type of thing for each report.

Report: 1 Memory Book                     
RecordSource:             qry 40th memory book

Jack, thanks for trying with that routine, but I've no clue what to do with
it. Thankfully, the Documenter did what I needed.

--
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"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net?? 




> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hartland
> Sent: 20 Mar 2013 10:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Forms/Queries Relationships
> 
> Long time since I have used it, but doesn't the built in documenter in
Access
> tell you ?



From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Wed Mar 20 17:33:03 2013
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 22:33:03 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Path name/length
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWGTmDqsBUHMKe=_bvFxLuvBnMgr2diJf0Bc3Ez8Z4bDUQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YfCgAAAEAAAAEVMPeCN5EFHrE6ZWWKSBdABAAAAAA==@bassett.net>
	<40FF56D51CB84B158E3AE1C37C21B2B4@jamesc319792ae>
	<CAAZtbWGTmDqsBUHMKe=_bvFxLuvBnMgr2diJf0Bc3Ez8Z4bDUQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5436F2AED@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Yeah, that was my thought.  I suspect the "!" is problematic.  I would test it without it and see if it makes a difference.

Cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Thursday, 21 March 2013 4:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Path name/length

maybe the ! in the path is giving Access a fit?

Bryan

On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 1:30 PM, James Button <jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> The foldernames you give are different for the implied CDir in Access 
> and the actual file location Could be the 'Start' icon you are using 
> is a shortcut - if so, check it's properties, and adjust as 
> appropriate
>
> Then, when Access is loaded go to File Options and check through that 
> - starting with General Default Database Folder
>
> JimB
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathryn Bassett" 
> <kathryn at bassett.net>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 5:14 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Path name/length
>
>
>
> Every time I open Access (2010), I get this message:
>
> MS Access can't change the working directory to 
> c:\users\Kathryn2012\documents\Access\!Kathryn
> Verify that the drive is valid and the path is 260 characters or less 
> in length
>
> My databases are in
> C:\Users\Kathryn2012\Documents\Dropbox\KRB-Docs\Access\!Kathryn
>
> If I just click ok, Access opens the way it should and there is no 
> problem, but why is it giving me this message in the first place? Why 
> is it *trying* to change the directory?
>
> --
> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is 
> my soap"
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net
>
>
>
>
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Mar 20 19:24:24 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 20:24:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - For Arthur
In-Reply-To: <28CA8BFA87664A699C92739B256B4A0A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <00e001ce1fec$532268f0$f9673ad0$@cactus.dk><CAH+Met-wzNMWOXUr7x=YY8wKs340F4tFPkBsozLTitJXkn5mPw@mail.gmail.com><021701ce206e$4d2cb4f0$e7861ed0$@winhaven.net><CAGuQ9V4+LVEAtp+NMzz2xO7aUMtz8qtaT7oi67Z3FeaKSr5yzw@mail.gmail.com><51463182.4020404@gmail.com><587E38A282BE4E7CA5877E624DE7A2DE@jamesc319792ae><CAEPJO1jrVrXw+qhdUf562LD1PDPY7HgZwqAe_XB9ZfSBMWWwvw@mail.gmail.com><514865A30200006B0002BF8C@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com><5148EA9F.6070006@gmail.com><2A7DCE9882974FD88D4FC5DB90E74120@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<5149258F.8090705@gmail.com>
	<28CA8BFA87664A699C92739B256B4A0A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <514A5338.2080506@gmail.com>

That's fascinating!

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 3/20/2013 11:58 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi John:
>
> Quote directly from the Wine Wiki:
>
> "...Programs running in Wine act as native programs would, without the
> performance/memory penalties of an emulator..."
>
> In fact Access running under Wine on a Linux computer, runs faster than the
> same application does on the same computer running Windows. Wine developers
> go so far as to say that Access can run on a computer, with a Linux OS that
> the combination of Windows-Access could not run.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 7:57 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - For Arthur
>
> Cool.  We can run Wine on it and slow it down to the speed of my 1989
> Windows 3.0 system.  Or eschew
> Windows and...
>
> How about we build an UnRaid emulator with a billion SSds,  for a petabyte
> SSD SAN, performing
> Folding at Home in the background?
>
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 3/19/2013 8:35 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>> Hey John:
>>
>> As much as things change they stay the same.
>>
>> Instead of Z80 there is the ARM and ARM A9, instead of tape drives it is
> the
>> Cloud...now the youngsters are writing network and internet drivers,
>> building a NAS, writing their own languages, building server clusters and
> so
>> on...
>>
>> The kids have Raspberry PIs...$25.00 for a computer (friend's son has
> three
>> and is building and testing a network) and for those, really flush, there
> is
>> Parallella, the parallel processing computer for $99.00. (they are sold
> out
>> for a while but I may bite the bullet by next fall):
>>
>>
> https://www.linux.com/news/enterprise/systems-management/692990-introducing-
>> the-99-linux-supercomputer
>>
>> Its all Linux OS of course but to the kids its all easy fun.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 3:46 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - For Arthur
>>
>> Hmmmm
>>
>> I don't remember the exact day but I built my first computer in 1977.  I
> had
>> a year left in the Navy
>> and the Z-80 was king at that time.  I ordered everything out of
>> advertisements in the back of
>> Popular Electronics.  It was an S100 based system with 32 kbytes of RAM
>> though I only ever got 24K
>> of that working.  It used a cassette tape to load Zapple Basic which took
> 3
>> minutes to load and used
>> 12K  of my 24 K so my program had to fit in the remaining 12K.  There were
>> no programs (that I ever
>> found) so I just wrote my own and used it to play around.  My only I/O was
> a
>> dumb terminal and the
>> cassette.
>>
>> By 1983 I had built my 2nd system, a SBC (Single Board Computer) with CPM
> in
>> ROM, an 80186 processor
>> (full 16 bit internal and external) running at 16 mhz, with 512 KBytes of
>> RAM.  I bought dual 8"
>> floppies for $750, and Turbo Pascal which jump started my programming
>> career.  With a modem, I
>> dialed into BBS all around southern California and downloaded tons of
>> programs.  I ended up owning a
>> $16K graphics terminal that was an engineering prototype from Megatek
> which
>> I used Turbo Pascal to
>> write the drivers for and learned programming along the way.
>>
>> The rest as they say is history.  Thirty years later!!!  OMG this must be
> an
>> old boys club eh?
>>
>> John W. Colby
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> On 3/19/2013 1:18 PM, John Clark wrote:
>>> Arthur, I'd meant to send this to you on Saturday, I believe it was,
>> but...
>>>     
>>> I'd recently started...again...reading Rocky's book, "From Program to
>> Product..." and upon thumbing through it I found his interview w/you. I'd
>> noticed that, in that interview you'd said you bought your first computer
> on
>> March 15th 1983. It was only a few hours before this anniversary date w/I
>> was reading this, so I thought I'd be clever and with you a happy 30th
>> anniversary!
>>>     
>>> Like I said...just an attempt at being clever...myself, I still had a
> year
>> of HS to complete after that.
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> OR
>> ELECTRONIC COPIES.
>>> Thank you for your cooperation.
>>>
>>>


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Mar 20 19:26:59 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 20:26:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - For Arthur
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gef4577+5UP4uub56=XRb9M0s9F2bEkiWD4rhNF4=jhw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002101ce2554$8e29fcc0$aa7df640$@cactus.dk>
	<FC5C5BCBA965492AB0451E79FFC4D6DA@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAEPJO1jTkn_zybU=dKx2pREUB_qO5CZXrg5YWuRiuHJrL67X-A@mail.gmail.com>
	<9B12F064ED2C41E5A2E3A5AFBA17AF07@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAEPJO1gef4577+5UP4uub56=XRb9M0s9F2bEkiWD4rhNF4=jhw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <514A53D3.8000705@gmail.com>

 >>

Meanwhile I'm also very interested in the Alpha Anywhere product, still in beta...

Which begs the question...

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 3/20/2013 2:09 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Jim,
>
> My ambitions are much more modest, and my thoughts of apps deployed so are
> directed at two of my previous apps, whose contractors come back about once
> a year for en enhancement or two, so I get a week or two's work out of each
> of them per year. Both apps are pretty lightweight (fewer than 30 tables),
> and both would profit immensely with a tablet-app; in one case it's a
> horse-stable and in the other a number of factories.
>
> Meanwhile I'm also very interested in the Alpha Anywhere product, still in
> beta, and I'm developing both apps in the Alpha Anywhere environment --
> which, in overall terms, I would place ahead of anything I've seen in the
> way of developer tools for tablets and smart-phones and simple classic
> web-sites -- but with a serious proviso: the company is committed to
> Windows and I wish this were not the case. But still, lots of site-host
> outfits like GoDaddy.com and many others will provide a Windows Server base
> upon which one can install the Alpha app-server. But in my years of
> semi-retirement, I would really like to cut as many bonds with MS as
> possible.
>
> At the moment, all I'm thinking about in this vein is Access RunTime +
> myApp + Wine in a tiny Linux like CrunchBang, whose footprint is a mere
> 80MB; but this could conceivably work in any Android tablet. We shall see.
>
> A.
>


From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Wed Mar 20 21:27:31 2013
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 21:27:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - For Arthur
In-Reply-To: <514A53D3.8000705@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201303210227.r2L2RZaL013164@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey John
Not in beta anymore.

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC 
Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
Sent: March-20-13 7:27 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - For Arthur

 >>

Meanwhile I'm also very interested in the Alpha Anywhere product, still in
beta...

Which begs the question...

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 3/20/2013 2:09 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Jim,
>
> My ambitions are much more modest, and my thoughts of apps deployed so are
> directed at two of my previous apps, whose contractors come back about
once
> a year for en enhancement or two, so I get a week or two's work out of
each
> of them per year. Both apps are pretty lightweight (fewer than 30 tables),
> and both would profit immensely with a tablet-app; in one case it's a
> horse-stable and in the other a number of factories.
>
> Meanwhile I'm also very interested in the Alpha Anywhere product, still in
> beta, and I'm developing both apps in the Alpha Anywhere environment --
> which, in overall terms, I would place ahead of anything I've seen in the
> way of developer tools for tablets and smart-phones and simple classic
> web-sites -- but with a serious proviso: the company is committed to
> Windows and I wish this were not the case. But still, lots of site-host
> outfits like GoDaddy.com and many others will provide a Windows Server
base
> upon which one can install the Alpha app-server. But in my years of
> semi-retirement, I would really like to cut as many bonds with MS as
> possible.
>
> At the moment, all I'm thinking about in this vein is Access RunTime +
> myApp + Wine in a tiny Linux like CrunchBang, whose footprint is a mere
> 80MB; but this could conceivably work in any Android tablet. We shall see.
>
> A.
>

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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Mar 20 21:43:17 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 22:43:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - For Arthur
In-Reply-To: <201303210227.r2L2RZaL013164@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <201303210227.r2L2RZaL013164@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <514A73C5.2050400@gmail.com>

In any event wouldn't it have been called Beta Anywhere?

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 3/20/2013 10:27 PM, Tony Septav wrote:
> Hey John
> Not in beta anymore.
>
> Tony Septav
> Nanaimo, BC
> Canada
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
> Sent: March-20-13 7:27 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - For Arthur
>
>   >>
>
> Meanwhile I'm also very interested in the Alpha Anywhere product, still in
> beta...
>
> Which begs the question...
>
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 3/20/2013 2:09 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>> Jim,
>>
>> My ambitions are much more modest, and my thoughts of apps deployed so are
>> directed at two of my previous apps, whose contractors come back about
> once
>> a year for en enhancement or two, so I get a week or two's work out of
> each
>> of them per year. Both apps are pretty lightweight (fewer than 30 tables),
>> and both would profit immensely with a tablet-app; in one case it's a
>> horse-stable and in the other a number of factories.
>>
>> Meanwhile I'm also very interested in the Alpha Anywhere product, still in
>> beta, and I'm developing both apps in the Alpha Anywhere environment --
>> which, in overall terms, I would place ahead of anything I've seen in the
>> way of developer tools for tablets and smart-phones and simple classic
>> web-sites -- but with a serious proviso: the company is committed to
>> Windows and I wish this were not the case. But still, lots of site-host
>> outfits like GoDaddy.com and many others will provide a Windows Server
> base
>> upon which one can install the Alpha app-server. But in my years of
>> semi-retirement, I would really like to cut as many bonds with MS as
>> possible.
>>
>> At the moment, all I'm thinking about in this vein is Access RunTime +
>> myApp + Wine in a tiny Linux like CrunchBang, whose footprint is a mere
>> 80MB; but this could conceivably work in any Android tablet. We shall see.
>>
>> A.
>>


From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Wed Mar 20 21:56:28 2013
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 21:56:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - For Arthur
In-Reply-To: <514A73C5.2050400@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201303210256.r2L2uWOn013252@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey John
Smile now, cry later.

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
Sent: March-20-13 9:43 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - For Arthur

In any event wouldn't it have been called Beta Anywhere?

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 3/20/2013 10:27 PM, Tony Septav wrote:
> Hey John
> Not in beta anymore.
>
> Tony Septav
> Nanaimo, BC
> Canada
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
> Sent: March-20-13 7:27 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - For Arthur
>
>   >>
>
> Meanwhile I'm also very interested in the Alpha Anywhere product, still in
> beta...
>
> Which begs the question...
>
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 3/20/2013 2:09 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>> Jim,
>>
>> My ambitions are much more modest, and my thoughts of apps deployed so
are
>> directed at two of my previous apps, whose contractors come back about
> once
>> a year for en enhancement or two, so I get a week or two's work out of
> each
>> of them per year. Both apps are pretty lightweight (fewer than 30
tables),
>> and both would profit immensely with a tablet-app; in one case it's a
>> horse-stable and in the other a number of factories.
>>
>> Meanwhile I'm also very interested in the Alpha Anywhere product, still
in
>> beta, and I'm developing both apps in the Alpha Anywhere environment --
>> which, in overall terms, I would place ahead of anything I've seen in the
>> way of developer tools for tablets and smart-phones and simple classic
>> web-sites -- but with a serious proviso: the company is committed to
>> Windows and I wish this were not the case. But still, lots of site-host
>> outfits like GoDaddy.com and many others will provide a Windows Server
> base
>> upon which one can install the Alpha app-server. But in my years of
>> semi-retirement, I would really like to cut as many bonds with MS as
>> possible.
>>
>> At the moment, all I'm thinking about in this vein is Access RunTime +
>> myApp + Wine in a tiny Linux like CrunchBang, whose footprint is a mere
>> 80MB; but this could conceivably work in any Android tablet. We shall
see.
>>
>> A.
>>

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From kathryn at bassett.net  Wed Mar 20 22:01:01 2013
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 20:01:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Path name/length
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5436F2AED@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YfCgAAAEAAAAEVMPeCN5EFHrE6ZWWKSBdABAAAAAA==@bassett.net>	<40FF56D51CB84B158E3AE1C37C21B2B4@jamesc319792ae>	<CAAZtbWGTmDqsBUHMKe=_bvFxLuvBnMgr2diJf0Bc3Ez8Z4bDUQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5436F2AED@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAAJQlUIaw7iVOqU3oIwqTyBoBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>

Now that is downright weird!

I changed the folder name to Kathryn instead of !Kathryn, and made a new
shortcut on my desktop to start the mdb. Now it's saying "MS Access can't
change the working directory to
c:\Users\Kathryn2012\Documents\Access\!Kathryn"

Note that it changed the case of users and documents but not the !
Was saying:
c:\users\Kathryn2012\documents\Access\!Kathryn
now saying:
c:\Users\Kathryn2012\Documents\Access\!Kathryn

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
> Sent: 20 Mar 2013 3:33 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Path name/length
> 
> Yeah, that was my thought.  I suspect the "!" is problematic.  I would
test it
> without it and see if it makes a difference.
> 
> Cheers
> Darryl
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
> Sent: Thursday, 21 March 2013 4:48 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Path name/length
> 
> maybe the ! in the path is giving Access a fit?
> 
> Bryan



From kathryn at bassett.net  Wed Mar 20 22:08:43 2013
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 20:08:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Path name/length
In-Reply-To: <40FF56D51CB84B158E3AE1C37C21B2B4@jamesc319792ae>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YfCgAAAEAAAAEVMPeCN5EFHrE6ZWWKSBdABAAAAAA==@bassett.net>
	<40FF56D51CB84B158E3AE1C37C21B2B4@jamesc319792ae>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAAOENrFC7mE9EtoVcxg7rETsBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>

> Then, when Access is loaded go to File Options and check through that -
> starting with General Default Database Folder

That did it. After taking the ! out of the folder name, and re-navigating to
the General Default Database Folder in the file options, I re-started the
mdb and no more message.

Now that my curiosity is taken care of, I can change things back and not
worry about the message. The reason for the ! is so the folder sorts to top,
so maybe I'll try an underscore instead.

Thanks to all of you for the tip about the ! and the default folder option.

--
Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net?? 






From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Mar 20 22:16:06 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 23:16:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Math equations
Message-ID: <514A7B76.7000001@gmail.com>

Does anyone know a way to implement "dynamic" math equations in Access?  I am implementing a system 
for building up strings of verbiage for mail merge letters.  The verbiage is dependent on the 
insurer of a loan and the state that the loan is in.  For example it might say something like

"Please Bid $X."  X is the result of an equation that may be something like

X = the greater of FMV or MakeWhole but X must be at least 2/3 TotalDebt.

Or it may say something like X = Y% * FMV or TotalDebt whichever is less, where Y% comes from the 
insurer table, i.e. Y is 80% for insurer A, 90% for insurerB and 100a% for InsurerC.

The equations can depend on the state but also a % figure taken from the insurer.

There are 51 states and 5 insurers so there are a ton of possible combinations / equations.  All of 
which comes from a spreradsheet of text "descriptions" for each insurer for each state which I am 
supposed to somehow compute.

The old system just used a slew of hard coded equations in huge iif() statements, embedded directly 
in fields in queries.

ICK!

I would prefer to somehow map this to a small(er)  set of equations with values fed in from the 
state and insurer tables.  The verbiage strings would be stored in the state table, possibly a 
state/insurer table. where the verbiage is in the table with replaceable symbols in the string.  I 
could pull the string out of the table, look for X and run a math function to figure out X and 
substitute the literal X (or other "replaceable character" ) with some dollar amount.

And finally I would like to avoid VBA code if possible.  The intent is to eventually move these out 
of Access so if the solution mapped easily into C# that would be good.

I have never really seen anything like this implemented (table driven) and I am drawing a blank on 
how to go about it, particularly without resorting to custom VBA functions.  In the end VBA 
functions are preferable to IIF() statements in custom Access queries.  I could at least "port" VBA 
to C# later.

-- 
John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Mar 20 22:45:32 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 13:45:32 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Math equations
In-Reply-To: <514A7B76.7000001@gmail.com>
References: <514A7B76.7000001@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <514A825C.29532.1E2C0146@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

So your looking at evaluating:

Max(Max(FMV,MakeWhole),TotalDebt * 2/3)
or
Min(TotalDebt,FMV * Y /100)
etc

In VBA I'd be looking at the Eval() function with my own Max() and Min() functions

If I needed to port it to C# or something else later, I'd create  my own Evaluate() function in a 
DLL (built with PowerBasic of course). 


-- 
Stuart

On 20 Mar 2013 at 23:16, John W Colby wrote:

> Does anyone know a way to implement "dynamic" math equations in Access?  I am implementing a system 
> for building up strings of verbiage for mail merge letters.  The verbiage is dependent on the 
> insurer of a loan and the state that the loan is in.  For example it might say something like
> 
> "Please Bid $X."  X is the result of an equation that may be something like
> 
> X = the greater of FMV or MakeWhole but X must be at least 2/3 TotalDebt.
> 
> Or it may say something like X = Y% * FMV or TotalDebt whichever is less, where Y% comes from the 
> insurer table, i.e. Y is 80% for insurer A, 90% for insurerB and 100a% for InsurerC.
> 
> The equations can depend on the state but also a % figure taken from the insurer.
> 
> There are 51 states and 5 insurers so there are a ton of possible combinations / equations.  All of 
> which comes from a spreradsheet of text "descriptions" for each insurer for each state which I am 
> supposed to somehow compute.
> 
> The old system just used a slew of hard coded equations in huge iif() statements, embedded directly 
> in fields in queries.
> 
> ICK!
> 
> I would prefer to somehow map this to a small(er)  set of equations with values fed in from the 
> state and insurer tables.  The verbiage strings would be stored in the state table, possibly a 
> state/insurer table. where the verbiage is in the table with replaceable symbols in the string.  I 
> could pull the string out of the table, look for X and run a math function to figure out X and 
> substitute the literal X (or other "replaceable character" ) with some dollar amount.
> 
> And finally I would like to avoid VBA code if possible.  The intent is to eventually move these out 
> of Access so if the solution mapped easily into C# that would be good.
> 
> I have never really seen anything like this implemented (table driven) and I am drawing a blank on 
> how to go about it, particularly without resorting to custom VBA functions.  In the end VBA 
> functions are preferable to IIF() statements in custom Access queries.  I could at least "port" VBA 
> to C# later.
> 
> -- 
> John W. Colby
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> -- 
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Thu Mar 21 03:21:46 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 12:21:46 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Math_equations?=
In-Reply-To: <514A7B76.7000001@gmail.com>
References: <514A7B76.7000001@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1363854106.587443594@f289.mail.ru>

 Hi John --

Quick hint: eval(...) and maybe also 'Strategy Pattern' ( http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/patterns/calc/index.htm ) - google for the more details of the latter....

Thank you.

-- Shamil


?????, 20 ????? 2013, 23:16 -04:00 ?? John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com>:
>Does anyone know a way to implement "dynamic" math equations in Access?  I am implementing a system 
>for building up strings of verbiage for mail merge letters.  The verbiage is dependent on the 
>insurer of a loan and the state that the loan is in.  For example it might say something like
>
>"Please Bid $X."  X is the result of an equation that may be something like
>
>X = the greater of FMV or MakeWhole but X must be at least 2/3 TotalDebt.
>
>Or it may say something like X = Y% * FMV or TotalDebt whichever is less, where Y% comes from the 
>insurer table, i.e. Y is 80% for insurer A, 90% for insurerB and 100a% for InsurerC.
>
>The equations can depend on the state but also a % figure taken from the insurer.
>
>There are 51 states and 5 insurers so there are a ton of possible combinations / equations.  All of 
>which comes from a spreradsheet of text "descriptions" for each insurer for each state which I am 
>supposed to somehow compute.
>
>The old system just used a slew of hard coded equations in huge iif() statements, embedded directly 
>in fields in queries.
>
>ICK!
>
>I would prefer to somehow map this to a small(er)  set of equations with values fed in from the 
>state and insurer tables.  The verbiage strings would be stored in the state table, possibly a 
>state/insurer table. where the verbiage is in the table with replaceable symbols in the string.  I 
>could pull the string out of the table, look for X and run a math function to figure out X and 
>substitute the literal X (or other "replaceable character" ) with some dollar amount.
>
>And finally I would like to avoid VBA code if possible.  The intent is to eventually move these out 
>of Access so if the solution mapped easily into C# that would be good.
>
>I have never really seen anything like this implemented (table driven) and I am drawing a blank on 
>how to go about it, particularly without resorting to custom VBA functions.  In the end VBA 
>functions are preferable to IIF() statements in custom Access queries.  I could at least "port" VBA 
>to C# later.
>
>-- 
>John W. Colby
>
>Reality is what refuses to go away
>when you do not believe in it
>
>-- 
>AccessD mailing list
>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>Website:  http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Mar 21 10:15:10 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 08:15:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Math equations
In-Reply-To: <1363854106.587443594@f289.mail.ru>
References: <514A7B76.7000001@gmail.com> <1363854106.587443594@f289.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <DE8670AD45AE4DDF88B5680FF0B90CE1@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Shamil:

That is incredible! How long did you take to build and populate that series
of pages? (from 2006 to now?) Magnificent job.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 1:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Math equations

 Hi John --

Quick hint: eval(...) and maybe also 'Strategy Pattern' (
http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/patterns/calc/index.htm ) - google for
the more details of the latter....

Thank you.

-- Shamil


?????, 20 ????? 2013, 23:16 -04:00 ?? John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com>:
>Does anyone know a way to implement "dynamic" math equations in Access?  I
am implementing a system 
>for building up strings of verbiage for mail merge letters.  The verbiage
is dependent on the 
>insurer of a loan and the state that the loan is in.  For example it might
say something like
>
>"Please Bid $X."  X is the result of an equation that may be something like
>
>X = the greater of FMV or MakeWhole but X must be at least 2/3 TotalDebt.
>
>Or it may say something like X = Y% * FMV or TotalDebt whichever is less,
where Y% comes from the 
>insurer table, i.e. Y is 80% for insurer A, 90% for insurerB and 100a% for
InsurerC.
>
>The equations can depend on the state but also a % figure taken from the
insurer.
>
>There are 51 states and 5 insurers so there are a ton of possible
combinations / equations.  All of 
>which comes from a spreradsheet of text "descriptions" for each insurer for
each state which I am 
>supposed to somehow compute.
>
>The old system just used a slew of hard coded equations in huge iif()
statements, embedded directly 
>in fields in queries.
>
>ICK!
>
>I would prefer to somehow map this to a small(er)  set of equations with
values fed in from the 
>state and insurer tables.  The verbiage strings would be stored in the
state table, possibly a 
>state/insurer table. where the verbiage is in the table with replaceable
symbols in the string.  I 
>could pull the string out of the table, look for X and run a math function
to figure out X and 
>substitute the literal X (or other "replaceable character" ) with some
dollar amount.
>
>And finally I would like to avoid VBA code if possible.  The intent is to
eventually move these out 
>of Access so if the solution mapped easily into C# that would be good.
>
>I have never really seen anything like this implemented (table driven) and
I am drawing a blank on 
>how to go about it, particularly without resorting to custom VBA functions.
In the end VBA 
>functions are preferable to IIF() statements in custom Access queries.  I
could at least "port" VBA 
>to C# later.
>
>-- 
>John W. Colby
>
>Reality is what refuses to go away
>when you do not believe in it
>
>-- 
>AccessD mailing list
>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>Website:  http://www.databaseadvisors.com

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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Mar 21 10:32:18 2013
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:32:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - For Arthur
In-Reply-To: <514A73C5.2050400@gmail.com>
References: <201303210227.r2L2RZaL013164@databaseadvisors.com>
	<514A73C5.2050400@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <514B2802.5090006@torchlake.com>

Alpha Anywhere, Beta Anywhere, Theta Anywhere . . . . . .
ROTFLMAO!!!!!

Good one, John!

T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 3/20/2013 10:43 PM, John W Colby wrote:
> In any event wouldn't it have been called Beta Anywhere?
>
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 3/20/2013 10:27 PM, Tony Septav wrote:
>> Hey John
>> Not in beta anymore.
>>
>> Tony Septav
>> Nanaimo, BC
>> Canada
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
>> Sent: March-20-13 7:27 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - For Arthur
>>
>>   >>
>>
>> Meanwhile I'm also very interested in the Alpha Anywhere product, 
>> still in
>> beta...
>>
>> Which begs the question...
>>
>> John W. Colby
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> On 3/20/2013 2:09 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>>> Jim,
>>>
>>> My ambitions are much more modest, and my thoughts of apps deployed 
>>> so are
>>> directed at two of my previous apps, whose contractors come back about
>> once
>>> a year for en enhancement or two, so I get a week or two's work out of
>> each
>>> of them per year. Both apps are pretty lightweight (fewer than 30 
>>> tables),
>>> and both would profit immensely with a tablet-app; in one case it's a
>>> horse-stable and in the other a number of factories.
>>>
>>> Meanwhile I'm also very interested in the Alpha Anywhere product, 
>>> still in
>>> beta, and I'm developing both apps in the Alpha Anywhere environment --
>>> which, in overall terms, I would place ahead of anything I've seen 
>>> in the
>>> way of developer tools for tablets and smart-phones and simple classic
>>> web-sites -- but with a serious proviso: the company is committed to
>>> Windows and I wish this were not the case. But still, lots of site-host
>>> outfits like GoDaddy.com and many others will provide a Windows Server
>> base
>>> upon which one can install the Alpha app-server. But in my years of
>>> semi-retirement, I would really like to cut as many bonds with MS as
>>> possible.
>>>
>>> At the moment, all I'm thinking about in this vein is Access RunTime +
>>> myApp + Wine in a tiny Linux like CrunchBang, whose footprint is a mere
>>> 80MB; but this could conceivably work in any Android tablet. We 
>>> shall see.
>>>
>>> A.
>>>
>


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Thu Mar 21 11:15:41 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 20:15:41 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Math_equations?=
In-Reply-To: <DE8670AD45AE4DDF88B5680FF0B90CE1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <514A7B76.7000001@gmail.com> <1363854106.587443594@f289.mail.ru>
	<DE8670AD45AE4DDF88B5680FF0B90CE1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <1363882541.247242220@f54.mail.ru>

 Hi Jim --

Thank you.

That was just about a month of Software Design Patterns and VB.NET 2003 "home research project" in October-November 2006.
I was a kind of "excited' about GoF ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_Patterns ) and related concepts that time and so I decided to "test them in practice".
The diagrams and all the other web stuff is generated from the VB.NET project code by using Enterprise Architect ( http://www.sparxsystems.com/ ).

BTW,??the best web site on Software Design Patterns I know about is located here:?? http://www.dofactory.com/Default.aspx

-- Shamil


???????, 21 ????? 2013, 8:15 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi Shamil:
>
>That is incredible! How long did you take to build and populate that series
>of pages? (from 2006 to now?) Magnificent job.
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:  accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>Shamil
>Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 1:22 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Math equations
>
>?Hi John --
>
>Quick hint: eval(...) and maybe also 'Strategy Pattern' (
>http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/patterns/calc/index.htm ) - google for
>the more details of the latter....
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- Shamil
>
>
>?????, 20 ????? 2013, 23:16 -04:00 ?? John W Colby < jwcolby at gmail.com >:
>>Does anyone know a way to implement "dynamic" math equations in Access?  I
>am implementing a system 
>>for building up strings of verbiage for mail merge letters.  The verbiage
>is dependent on the 
>>insurer of a loan and the state that the loan is in.  For example it might
>say something like
>>
>>"Please Bid $X."  X is the result of an equation that may be something like
>>
>>X = the greater of FMV or MakeWhole but X must be at least 2/3 TotalDebt.
>>
>>Or it may say something like X = Y% * FMV or TotalDebt whichever is less,
>where Y% comes from the 
>>insurer table, i.e. Y is 80% for insurer A, 90% for insurerB and 100a% for
>InsurerC.
>>
>>The equations can depend on the state but also a % figure taken from the
>insurer.
>>
>>There are 51 states and 5 insurers so there are a ton of possible
>combinations / equations.  All of 
>>which comes from a spreradsheet of text "descriptions" for each insurer for
>each state which I am 
>>supposed to somehow compute.
>>
>>The old system just used a slew of hard coded equations in huge iif()
>statements, embedded directly 
>>in fields in queries.
>>
>>ICK!
>>
>>I would prefer to somehow map this to a small(er)  set of equations with
>values fed in from the 
>>state and insurer tables.  The verbiage strings would be stored in the
>state table, possibly a 
>>state/insurer table. where the verbiage is in the table with replaceable
>symbols in the string.  I 
>>could pull the string out of the table, look for X and run a math function
>to figure out X and 
>>substitute the literal X (or other "replaceable character" ) with some
>dollar amount.
>>
>>And finally I would like to avoid VBA code if possible.  The intent is to
>eventually move these out 
>>of Access so if the solution mapped easily into C# that would be good.
>>
>>I have never really seen anything like this implemented (table driven) and
>I am drawing a blank on 
>>how to go about it, particularly without resorting to custom VBA functions.
>In the end VBA 
>>functions are preferable to IIF() statements in custom Access queries.  I
>could at least "port" VBA 
>>to C# later.
>>
>>-- 
>>John W. Colby
>>
>>Reality is what refuses to go away
>>when you do not believe in it
>>

From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Mar 21 12:14:49 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 10:14:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Math equations
In-Reply-To: <1363882541.247242220@f54.mail.ru>
References: <514A7B76.7000001@gmail.com>
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Hi Shamil:

Thanks for the response and the great links. (This should keep me
entertained for days) 

Here is a link to an interesting graph that is very telling:

http://www.dofactory.com/images/javascript-github3.jpg

Note: that the graph information was acquired from Github and probably not a
true representation of the entire web based world.
 
The Pro JavaScript + jQuery Design Patterns section looks very interesting. 

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Math equations

 Hi Jim --

Thank you.

That was just about a month of Software Design Patterns and VB.NET 2003
"home research project" in October-November 2006.
I was a kind of "excited' about GoF (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_Patterns ) and related concepts that
time and so I decided to "test them in practice".
The diagrams and all the other web stuff is generated from the VB.NET
project code by using Enterprise Architect ( http://www.sparxsystems.com/ ).

BTW,??the best web site on Software Design Patterns I know about is located
here:?? http://www.dofactory.com/Default.aspx

-- Shamil


???????, 21 ????? 2013, 8:15 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi Shamil:
>
>That is incredible! How long did you take to build and populate that series
>of pages? (from 2006 to now?) Magnificent job.
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:  accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>Shamil
>Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 1:22 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Math equations
>
>?Hi John --
>
>Quick hint: eval(...) and maybe also 'Strategy Pattern' (
>http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/patterns/calc/index.htm ) - google for
>the more details of the latter....
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- Shamil
>
>
>?????, 20 ????? 2013, 23:16 -04:00 ?? John W Colby < jwcolby at gmail.com >:
>>Does anyone know a way to implement "dynamic" math equations in Access?  I
>am implementing a system 
>>for building up strings of verbiage for mail merge letters.  The verbiage
>is dependent on the 
>>insurer of a loan and the state that the loan is in.  For example it might
>say something like
>>
>>"Please Bid $X."  X is the result of an equation that may be something
like
>>
>>X = the greater of FMV or MakeWhole but X must be at least 2/3 TotalDebt.
>>
>>Or it may say something like X = Y% * FMV or TotalDebt whichever is less,
>where Y% comes from the 
>>insurer table, i.e. Y is 80% for insurer A, 90% for insurerB and 100a% for
>InsurerC.
>>
>>The equations can depend on the state but also a % figure taken from the
>insurer.
>>
>>There are 51 states and 5 insurers so there are a ton of possible
>combinations / equations.  All of 
>>which comes from a spreradsheet of text "descriptions" for each insurer
for
>each state which I am 
>>supposed to somehow compute.
>>
>>The old system just used a slew of hard coded equations in huge iif()
>statements, embedded directly 
>>in fields in queries.
>>
>>ICK!
>>
>>I would prefer to somehow map this to a small(er)  set of equations with
>values fed in from the 
>>state and insurer tables.  The verbiage strings would be stored in the
>state table, possibly a 
>>state/insurer table. where the verbiage is in the table with replaceable
>symbols in the string.  I 
>>could pull the string out of the table, look for X and run a math function
>to figure out X and 
>>substitute the literal X (or other "replaceable character" ) with some
>dollar amount.
>>
>>And finally I would like to avoid VBA code if possible.  The intent is to
>eventually move these out 
>>of Access so if the solution mapped easily into C# that would be good.
>>
>>I have never really seen anything like this implemented (table driven) and
>I am drawing a blank on 
>>how to go about it, particularly without resorting to custom VBA
functions.
>In the end VBA 
>>functions are preferable to IIF() statements in custom Access queries.  I
>could at least "port" VBA 
>>to C# later.
>>
>>-- 
>>John W. Colby
>>
>>Reality is what refuses to go away
>>when you do not believe in it
>>
-- 
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Thu Mar 21 13:15:23 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 22:15:23 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Math_equations?=
In-Reply-To: <8981C29FEB57446BA03654D91AFF40A8@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <514A7B76.7000001@gmail.com> <1363882541.247242220@f54.mail.ru>
	<8981C29FEB57446BA03654D91AFF40A8@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <1363889723.883431168@f252.mail.ru>

 Hi Jim --

Thank you for the link.?
I see C# is missing from the stats but I do not care that much -?C# + SQL + JavaScript(+CSS + HTML5) should be good enough I suppose to cover all my current and prospect customers projects.
And there are a lot of advanced open source C# projects on CodePlex - so many that I will probably never have time to investigate even 1% of them.
And CodeProject web side has many advanced articles on using C#.
I can also do C/C++ programming if that will be needed.
And I have 10+ years full time past experience with macro-assemblers - that can be "revived" in the case of long term projects.

I do like Python and Ruby "dynamic beasts" - I do not have experience with them but C#5.0 has many features of the modern dynamic languages so I doubt I will ever need to use Python and Ruby in real life projects, but who knows...

<<<
The Pro JavaScript + jQuery Design Patterns section looks very interesting.
>>>
Yes, just make sure your real life programming gets Software Design Patterns applied when they are really needed.

Thank you.

-- Shamil

???????, 21 ????? 2013, 10:14 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi Shamil:
>
>Thanks for the response and the great links. (This should keep me
>entertained for days) 
>
>Here is a link to an interesting graph that is very telling:
>
>http://www.dofactory.com/images/javascript-github3.jpg
>
>Note: that the graph information was acquired from Github and probably not a
>true representation of the entire web based world.
>
>The Pro JavaScript + jQuery Design Patterns section looks very interesting. 
>
>Jim 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:  accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>Shamil
>Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:16 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Math equations
>
>?Hi Jim --
>
>Thank you.
>
>That was just about a month of Software Design Patterns and VB.NET 2003
>"home research project" in October-November 2006.
>I was a kind of "excited' about GoF (
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_Patterns ) and related concepts that
>time and so I decided to "test them in practice".
>The diagrams and all the other web stuff is generated from the VB.NET
>project code by using Enterprise Architect (  http://www.sparxsystems.com/ ).
>
>BTW,??the best web site on Software Design Patterns I know about is located
>here:??  http://www.dofactory.com/Default.aspx
>
>-- Shamil
>
>
>???????, 21 ????? 2013, 8:15 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" < accessd at shaw.ca >:
>>Hi Shamil:
>>
>>That is incredible! How long did you take to build and populate that series
>>of pages? (from 2006 to now?) Magnificent job.
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From:  accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>>Shamil
>>Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 1:22 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Math equations
<<< skipped >>>
>

From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Thu Mar 21 13:58:39 2013
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 13:58:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Interesting Report Request - Adding Notes to an Existing
	Access 2007 Report
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YfCgAAAEAAAAESOXuHjaYNJql12JszBhGYBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>	<0EC9E6333B0E43E5B6D702EBD56E95A5@HAL9007><CALGJE96Pn+zD+Qnxbsne0tT-_CVo2MCqDxvLVHeXFoGizCoAzw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C5018E2991@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

All,

We have an existing Access 2007 Report which shows "Routing Info"
(Manufacturing Firm).

The data is stored in an SQL-Server Database which is accessible via
ODBC.

This report currently shows one line for each "Process Step" for each
Job Number.

There are several fields for each Process-Step, but for this example I
will only show two fields 
(There is a report "Group" on Job-Nbr)


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Job-Nbr     Process-Step
M1000          010
M1000          020
M1000          030
M1000          040
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

It is possible to attached one or more "notes" to each Job-Nbr via the
data entry system.  These notes are stored in a separate database table
with the Job-Nbr as the Primary Key.

Recently there has been a request to add these notes to this report as
shown below.  

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Job-Nbr     Process-Step
M1000          010
M1000          020
M1000          030
M1000          040
This is note-1
This is note-2
This is note-3

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I am starting to experiment with approaches to add the notes to this
report.

I am curious if others have ever run into something like this.

Thanks,
Brad


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Thu Mar 21 14:04:18 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 12:04:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Math equations
In-Reply-To: <8981C29FEB57446BA03654D91AFF40A8@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <514A7B76.7000001@gmail.com> <1363854106.587443594@f289.mail.ru>
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That graph doesn't surprise me. Microsofties tend not to stray far off the path unless it has Microsoft logo on it or has been blessed by the Don.

- Hans


On 2013-03-21, at 10:14 AM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Shamil:
> 
> Thanks for the response and the great links. (This should keep me
> entertained for days) 
> 
> Here is a link to an interesting graph that is very telling:
> 
> http://www.dofactory.com/images/javascript-github3.jpg
> 
> Note: that the graph information was acquired from Github and probably not a
> true representation of the entire web based world.
> 
> The Pro JavaScript + jQuery Design Patterns section looks very interesting. 
> 
> Jim 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> Shamil
> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:16 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Math equations
> 
> Hi Jim --
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> That was just about a month of Software Design Patterns and VB.NET 2003
> "home research project" in October-November 2006.
> I was a kind of "excited' about GoF (
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_Patterns ) and related concepts that
> time and so I decided to "test them in practice".
> The diagrams and all the other web stuff is generated from the VB.NET
> project code by using Enterprise Architect ( http://www.sparxsystems.com/ ).
> 
> BTW,  the best web site on Software Design Patterns I know about is located
> here:   http://www.dofactory.com/Default.aspx
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> 
> ???????, 21 ????? 2013, 8:15 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>> Hi Shamil:
>> 
>> That is incredible! How long did you take to build and populate that series
>> of pages? (from 2006 to now?) Magnificent job.
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:  accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>> Shamil
>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 1:22 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Math equations
>> 
>>  Hi John --
>> 
>> Quick hint: eval(...) and maybe also 'Strategy Pattern' (
>> http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/patterns/calc/index.htm ) - google for
>> the more details of the latter....
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> -- Shamil
>> 
>> 
>> ?????, 20 ????? 2013, 23:16 -04:00 ?? John W Colby < jwcolby at gmail.com >:
>>> Does anyone know a way to implement "dynamic" math equations in Access?  I
>> am implementing a system 
>>> for building up strings of verbiage for mail merge letters.  The verbiage
>> is dependent on the 
>>> insurer of a loan and the state that the loan is in.  For example it might
>> say something like
>>> 
>>> "Please Bid $X."  X is the result of an equation that may be something
> like
>>> 
>>> X = the greater of FMV or MakeWhole but X must be at least 2/3 TotalDebt.
>>> 
>>> Or it may say something like X = Y% * FMV or TotalDebt whichever is less,
>> where Y% comes from the 
>>> insurer table, i.e. Y is 80% for insurer A, 90% for insurerB and 100a% for
>> InsurerC.
>>> 
>>> The equations can depend on the state but also a % figure taken from the
>> insurer.
>>> 
>>> There are 51 states and 5 insurers so there are a ton of possible
>> combinations / equations.  All of 
>>> which comes from a spreradsheet of text "descriptions" for each insurer
> for
>> each state which I am 
>>> supposed to somehow compute.
>>> 
>>> The old system just used a slew of hard coded equations in huge iif()
>> statements, embedded directly 
>>> in fields in queries.
>>> 
>>> ICK!
>>> 
>>> I would prefer to somehow map this to a small(er)  set of equations with
>> values fed in from the 
>>> state and insurer tables.  The verbiage strings would be stored in the
>> state table, possibly a 
>>> state/insurer table. where the verbiage is in the table with replaceable
>> symbols in the string.  I 
>>> could pull the string out of the table, look for X and run a math function
>> to figure out X and 
>>> substitute the literal X (or other "replaceable character" ) with some
>> dollar amount.
>>> 
>>> And finally I would like to avoid VBA code if possible.  The intent is to
>> eventually move these out 
>>> of Access so if the solution mapped easily into C# that would be good.
>>> 
>>> I have never really seen anything like this implemented (table driven) and
>> I am drawing a blank on 
>>> how to go about it, particularly without resorting to custom VBA
> functions.
>> In the end VBA 
>>> functions are preferable to IIF() statements in custom Access queries.  I
>> could at least "port" VBA 
>>> to C# later.
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> John W. Colby
>>> 
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Mar 21 14:15:30 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 12:15:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Math equations
In-Reply-To: <1363889723.883431168@f252.mail.ru>
References: <514A7B76.7000001@gmail.com>
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	<1363889723.883431168@f252.mail.ru>
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Hi Shamil:

That is why I placed that little "note" after the graph. As a Github site,
C# and many other desktop application will not be in the major listings.
This little graph does not represent the general market but is more focused
on the "start-up" and website type market.

My only connection with C# is through ASP.Net and then through my IIS web
server. As most web servers are not ASP compatible this makes it difficult.
(I think Microsoft should get their act together...it only took a two month
project (3 weeks for the beta) to get PHP going as a IIS webserver service.)
There have been some efforts to get MONO running on such webservers as
Apache and Nginx but so far nothing solid.

http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/9738/Introduction-to-Mono-ASP-NET-with-X
SP-and-Apache

Mono does have its own little webserver, though fun to play with, it is not
commercially viable.  As soon as Mono-C# can become available, as a
supported API, on the major webservers, C# will no longer be just a desktop
development application. I am looking forward to that day.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 11:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Math equations

 Hi Jim --

Thank you for the link.?
I see C# is missing from the stats but I do not care that much -?C# + SQL +
JavaScript(+CSS + HTML5) should be good enough I suppose to cover all my
current and prospect customers projects.
And there are a lot of advanced open source C# projects on CodePlex - so
many that I will probably never have time to investigate even 1% of them.
And CodeProject web side has many advanced articles on using C#.
I can also do C/C++ programming if that will be needed.
And I have 10+ years full time past experience with macro-assemblers - that
can be "revived" in the case of long term projects.

I do like Python and Ruby "dynamic beasts" - I do not have experience with
them but C#5.0 has many features of the modern dynamic languages so I doubt
I will ever need to use Python and Ruby in real life projects, but who
knows...

<<<
The Pro JavaScript + jQuery Design Patterns section looks very interesting.
>>>
Yes, just make sure your real life programming gets Software Design Patterns
applied when they are really needed.

Thank you.

-- Shamil



From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Thu Mar 21 16:00:18 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 01:00:18 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?b?T1Q6IEMjL0FTUC5ORVQgLSBXYXMgLSBSZVsyXTogIE1h?=
 =?utf-8?q?th_equations?=
In-Reply-To: <4EBF0B25009A4DD1A2A38069909858C9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <514A7B76.7000001@gmail.com> <1363889723.883431168@f252.mail.ru>
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Message-ID: <1363899618.619526886@f339.mail.ru>

 Hi Jim --

I have changed the subject of this posting to not mix with JC's original one.

1. ASP.NET is hosted on so many ISP sites worldwide and the hosting prices are comparable with non-Windows hostings so C# is a real general purpose language for 10+ years now.
2. I'd expect Windows Azure will be one of the main competitors on "cloud" market for many years to come.
3. I have heard Nginx is great but I'd expect MS will (soon) make IIS comparable with it (in min. memory footprint, (unlimited) multi-threading for certain apps, scalability etc.) - e.g. in VS2012 you can run IIS instance even within console application.

Thank you.

-- Shamil

???????, 21 ????? 2013, 12:15 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi Shamil:
>
>That is why I placed that little "note" after the graph. As a Github site,
>C# and many other desktop application will not be in the major listings.
>This little graph does not represent the general market but is more focused
>on the "start-up" and website type market.
>
>My only connection with C# is through ASP.Net and then through my IIS web
>server. As most web servers are not ASP compatible this makes it difficult.
>(I think Microsoft should get their act together...it only took a two month
>project (3 weeks for the beta) to get PHP going as a IIS webserver service.)
>There have been some efforts to get MONO running on such webservers as
>Apache and Nginx but so far nothing solid.
>
>http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/9738/Introduction-to-Mono-ASP-NET-with-X
>SP-and-Apache
>
>Mono does have its own little webserver, though fun to play with, it is not
>commercially viable.  As soon as Mono-C# can become available, as a
>supported API, on the major webservers, C# will no longer be just a desktop
>development application. I am looking forward to that day.
>
>Jim 
<<< skipped >>>
>

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Mar 21 16:26:35 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 07:26:35 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Interesting Report Request - Adding Notes to an
	Existing Access 2007 Report
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C5018E2991@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YfCgAAAEAAAAESOXuHjaYNJql12JszBhGYBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>,
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C5018E2991@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <514B7B0B.3448.21F76F19@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Sounds like a standard sub-report to me. Or am I missing something?

Just create a report on the notes table and embedded it in the JobNbr group footer with 
the parent/child field properites set to Job-Nbr.

-- 
Stuart

On 21 Mar 2013 at 13:58, Brad Marks wrote:

> All,
> 
> We have an existing Access 2007 Report which shows "Routing Info"
> (Manufacturing Firm).
> 
> The data is stored in an SQL-Server Database which is accessible via
> ODBC.
> 
> This report currently shows one line for each "Process Step" for each
> Job Number.
> 
> There are several fields for each Process-Step, but for this example I
> will only show two fields 
> (There is a report "Group" on Job-Nbr)
> 
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Job-Nbr     Process-Step
> M1000          010
> M1000          020
> M1000          030
> M1000          040
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> It is possible to attached one or more "notes" to each Job-Nbr via the
> data entry system.  These notes are stored in a separate database table
> with the Job-Nbr as the Primary Key.
> 
> Recently there has been a request to add these notes to this report as
> shown below.  
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Job-Nbr     Process-Step
> M1000          010
> M1000          020
> M1000          030
> M1000          040
> This is note-1
> This is note-2
> This is note-3
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> I am starting to experiment with approaches to add the notes to this
> report.
> 
> I am curious if others have ever run into something like this.
> 
> Thanks,
> Brad
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Mar 21 16:39:20 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 14:39:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: C#/ASP.NET - Was - Re[2]:  Math equations
In-Reply-To: <1363899618.619526886@f339.mail.ru>
References: <514A7B76.7000001@gmail.com>
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	<1363899618.619526886@f339.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <73E722FAA113446C9123D7511375A5EC@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Shamil:

Inline:

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 2:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT: C#/ASP.NET - Was - Re[2]: Math equations

 Hi Jim --

I have changed the subject of this posting to not mix with JC's original
one.
>>>	Good idea.

1. ASP.NET is hosted on so many ISP sites worldwide and the hosting prices
are comparable with non-Windows hostings so C# is a real general purpose
language for 10+ years now.
>>>	I like being able to host and develop my own sites then deploy them.
	I do not want to have hunt for Windows Server sites...85 percent of
the market is Linux or Unix so pickings can be lean and the costs
more.
 
2. I'd expect Windows Azure will be one of the main competitors on "cloud"
market for many years to come.
>>>	Does Windows Azure support ASP.Net (with C#) websites? What are
their 	rates?

3. I have heard Nginx is great but I'd expect MS will (soon) make IIS
comparable with it (in min. memory footprint, (unlimited) multi-threading
for certain apps, scalability etc.) - e.g. in VS2012 you can run IIS
instance even within console application.
>>>	Nginx is a very different web server. It does not use
multi-threading 	in the same way...it is event driven. Before Nginx,
3 years ago the 	IIS webserver was number two and now it is number
three. (This product 	blows the door of both IIS and Apache in performance
and scalability) 

Thank you.

-- Shamil and Jim

???????, 21 ????? 2013, 12:15 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi Shamil:
>
>That is why I placed that little "note" after the graph. As a Github site,
>C# and many other desktop application will not be in the major listings.
>This little graph does not represent the general market but is more focused
>on the "start-up" and website type market.
>
>My only connection with C# is through ASP.Net and then through my IIS web
>server. As most web servers are not ASP compatible this makes it difficult.
>(I think Microsoft should get their act together...it only took a two month
>project (3 weeks for the beta) to get PHP going as a IIS webserver
service.)
>There have been some efforts to get MONO running on such webservers as
>Apache and Nginx but so far nothing solid.
>
>http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/9738/Introduction-to-Mono-ASP-NET-with-
X
>SP-and-Apache
>
>Mono does have its own little webserver, though fun to play with, it is not
>commercially viable.  As soon as Mono-C# can become available, as a
>supported API, on the major webservers, C# will no longer be just a desktop
>development application. I am looking forward to that day.
>
>Jim 



From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Thu Mar 21 19:30:55 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 17:30:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: C#/ASP.NET - Was - Re[2]:  Math equations
In-Reply-To: <1363899618.619526886@f339.mail.ru>
References: <514A7B76.7000001@gmail.com> <1363889723.883431168@f252.mail.ru>
	<4EBF0B25009A4DD1A2A38069909858C9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<1363899618.619526886@f339.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <F46769F6-C592-474D-96EB-87BDB184853A@phulse.com>

My understanding is that ASP.net usage is actually on the decline, as far as I know. Not drastically, but...

As for Azure, we'll see in a years time. ;) Hopefully Microsoft can avoid embarrassing mistakes like when the entire Azure was down due to someone forgetting to renew an SSL certificate. Microsoft is also known to kill projects at a whim, even if they have an avid userbase. XNA for instance. If they can't seriously compete with Amazon (which I doubt they can), then I can see that happening. Especially if they have a change of leadership, which I am almost certain they will, as they are bleeding left and right.

- Hans


On 2013-03-21, at 2:00 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:

> Hi Jim --
> 
> I have changed the subject of this posting to not mix with JC's original one.
> 
> 1. ASP.NET is hosted on so many ISP sites worldwide and the hosting prices are comparable with non-Windows hostings so C# is a real general purpose language for 10+ years now.
> 2. I'd expect Windows Azure will be one of the main competitors on "cloud" market for many years to come.
> 3. I have heard Nginx is great but I'd expect MS will (soon) make IIS comparable with it (in min. memory footprint, (unlimited) multi-threading for certain apps, scalability etc.) - e.g. in VS2012 you can run IIS instance even within console application.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> ???????, 21 ????? 2013, 12:15 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>> Hi Shamil:
>> 
>> That is why I placed that little "note" after the graph. As a Github site,
>> C# and many other desktop application will not be in the major listings.
>> This little graph does not represent the general market but is more focused
>> on the "start-up" and website type market.
>> 
>> My only connection with C# is through ASP.Net and then through my IIS web
>> server. As most web servers are not ASP compatible this makes it difficult.
>> (I think Microsoft should get their act together...it only took a two month
>> project (3 weeks for the beta) to get PHP going as a IIS webserver service.)
>> There have been some efforts to get MONO running on such webservers as
>> Apache and Nginx but so far nothing solid.
>> 
>> http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/9738/Introduction-to-Mono-ASP-NET-with-X
>> SP-and-Apache
>> 
>> Mono does have its own little webserver, though fun to play with, it is not
>> commercially viable.  As soon as Mono-C# can become available, as a
>> supported API, on the major webservers, C# will no longer be just a desktop
>> development application. I am looking forward to that day.
>> 
>> Jim
> <<< skipped >>>
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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Thu Mar 21 19:33:14 2013
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 19:33:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Interesting Report Request - Adding Notes to
	anExisting Access 2007 Report
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YfCgAAAEAAAAESOXuHjaYNJql12JszBhGYBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>,
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C5018E2991@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<514B7B0B.3448.21F76F19@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3F1@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

Stuart,

Thanks for the help.  You weren't missing anything, but I was.

I have very limited experience with Access sub-reports.

Before today, I had only used a couple sub-reports and they were embedded in the parent's Report Footer section.

I hate to admit it, but I did not know that you could embed a sub-report in a "Group Footer" section with a "tie" to the data in the parent report.

I try to learn at least one new thing every day and you helped me do this today.

Thanks again, I appreciate it.

Brad

   


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thu 3/21/2013 4:26 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interesting Report Request - Adding Notes to anExisting Access 2007 Report
 
Sounds like a standard sub-report to me. Or am I missing something?

Just create a report on the notes table and embedded it in the JobNbr group footer with 
the parent/child field properites set to Job-Nbr.

-- 
Stuart

On 21 Mar 2013 at 13:58, Brad Marks wrote:

> All,
> 
> We have an existing Access 2007 Report which shows "Routing Info"
> (Manufacturing Firm).
> 
> The data is stored in an SQL-Server Database which is accessible via
> ODBC.
> 
> This report currently shows one line for each "Process Step" for each
> Job Number.
> 
> There are several fields for each Process-Step, but for this example I
> will only show two fields 
> (There is a report "Group" on Job-Nbr)
> 
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Job-Nbr     Process-Step
> M1000          010
> M1000          020
> M1000          030
> M1000          040
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> It is possible to attached one or more "notes" to each Job-Nbr via the
> data entry system.  These notes are stored in a separate database table
> with the Job-Nbr as the Primary Key.
> 
> Recently there has been a request to add these notes to this report as
> shown below.  
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Job-Nbr     Process-Step
> M1000          010
> M1000          020
> M1000          030
> M1000          040
> This is note-1
> This is note-2
> This is note-3
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> I am starting to experiment with approaches to add the notes to this
> report.
> 
> I am curious if others have ever run into something like this.
> 
> Thanks,
> Brad
> 
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> 


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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Mar 21 20:27:02 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 21:27:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] QueryDefs question
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1g2TzAS-888F_tDgvwK3OzPahq7qWp0dasHM1f34yyugQ@mail.gmail.com>

Does someone know how to identify which QueryDefs are Pass-Thru Queries. I
want to walk the list of QueryDefs and visit the PTQs and only those.

TIA,
-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

As lousy as things are now, tomorrow they will be somebody's good old days.

- Gerald Barzan

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Mar 21 20:37:49 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 11:37:49 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] QueryDefs question
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1g2TzAS-888F_tDgvwK3OzPahq7qWp0dasHM1f34yyugQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1g2TzAS-888F_tDgvwK3OzPahq7qWp0dasHM1f34yyugQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <514BB5ED.13103.22DD5B50@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Function GetQueryType()
Dim qdf As QueryDef
For Each qdf In CurrentDb.QueryDefs
    Debug.Print qdf.Name, qdf.Type
Next
End Function

Passthrough is Type 112.

-- 
Stuart

On 21 Mar 2013 at 21:27, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> Does someone know how to identify which QueryDefs are Pass-Thru Queries. I
> want to walk the list of QueryDefs and visit the PTQs and only those.
> 
> TIA,
> -- 
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
> 
> As lousy as things are now, tomorrow they will be somebody's good old days.
> 
> - Gerald Barzan
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Mar 21 20:42:51 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 11:42:51 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] QueryDefs question
In-Reply-To: <514BB5ED.13103.22DD5B50@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CAEPJO1g2TzAS-888F_tDgvwK3OzPahq7qWp0dasHM1f34yyugQ@mail.gmail.com>,
	<514BB5ED.13103.22DD5B50@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <514BB71B.10519.22E1F7CD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Or "Select Name from msysObjects where Type = 5 and Flags = 112"


On 22 Mar 2013 at 11:37, Stuart McLachlan wrote:

> Function GetQueryType()
> Dim qdf As QueryDef
> For Each qdf In CurrentDb.QueryDefs
>     Debug.Print qdf.Name, qdf.Type
> Next
> End Function
> 
> Passthrough is Type 112.
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> On 21 Mar 2013 at 21:27, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> 
> > Does someone know how to identify which QueryDefs are Pass-Thru Queries. I
> > want to walk the list of QueryDefs and visit the PTQs and only those.
> > 
> > TIA,
> > -- 
> > Arthur
> > Cell: 647.710.1314
> > 
> > As lousy as things are now, tomorrow they will be somebody's good old days.
> > 
> > - Gerald Barzan
> > -- 
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> 
> 
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Thu Mar 21 21:07:36 2013
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 22:07:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] QueryDefs question
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1g2TzAS-888F_tDgvwK3OzPahq7qWp0dasHM1f34yyugQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1g2TzAS-888F_tDgvwK3OzPahq7qWp0dasHM1f34yyugQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAtFC9znNRiL9LMt9u4_8WVYLHMczFZMpZJQWCbAyBx_VA@mail.gmail.com>

Arthur,

see this for a start
http://accessblog.net/2009/12/how-to-list-queries-by-type.html

On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> Does someone know how to identify which QueryDefs are Pass-Thru Queries. I
> want to walk the list of QueryDefs and visit the PTQs and only those.
>
> TIA,
> --
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
>
> As lousy as things are now, tomorrow they will be somebody's good old days.
>
> - Gerald Barzan
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Mar 21 22:58:11 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 20:58:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: C#/ASP.NET - Was - Re[2]:  Math equations
In-Reply-To: <F46769F6-C592-474D-96EB-87BDB184853A@phulse.com>
References: <514A7B76.7000001@gmail.com>
	<1363889723.883431168@f252.mail.ru><4EBF0B25009A4DD1A2A38069909858C9@creativesystemdesigns.com><1363899618.619526886@f339.mail.ru>
	<F46769F6-C592-474D-96EB-87BDB184853A@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <541A0F802A3B4388881BEEDFCD5A7A45@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Hans:

Of course ASP.Net and related C# is going to fade away unless Microsoft gets
their act together and makes it a product that can run on all platforms.
Simply ignoring the rest of the world is not going to do their company any
good. 

"XNA for instance" and least we forget about their lukewarm support for MS
Access.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 5:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: C#/ASP.NET - Was - Re[2]: Math equations

My understanding is that ASP.net usage is actually on the decline, as far as
I know. Not drastically, but...

As for Azure, we'll see in a years time. ;) Hopefully Microsoft can avoid
embarrassing mistakes like when the entire Azure was down due to someone
forgetting to renew an SSL certificate. Microsoft is also known to kill
projects at a whim, even if they have an avid userbase. XNA for instance. If
they can't seriously compete with Amazon (which I doubt they can), then I
can see that happening. Especially if they have a change of leadership,
which I am almost certain they will, as they are bleeding left and right.

- Hans


On 2013-03-21, at 2:00 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:

> Hi Jim --
> 
> I have changed the subject of this posting to not mix with JC's original
one.
> 
> 1. ASP.NET is hosted on so many ISP sites worldwide and the hosting prices
are comparable with non-Windows hostings so C# is a real general purpose
language for 10+ years now.
> 2. I'd expect Windows Azure will be one of the main competitors on "cloud"
market for many years to come.
> 3. I have heard Nginx is great but I'd expect MS will (soon) make IIS
comparable with it (in min. memory footprint, (unlimited) multi-threading
for certain apps, scalability etc.) - e.g. in VS2012 you can run IIS
instance even within console application.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> ???????, 21 ????? 2013, 12:15 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>> Hi Shamil:
>> 
>> That is why I placed that little "note" after the graph. As a Github
site,
>> C# and many other desktop application will not be in the major listings.
>> This little graph does not represent the general market but is more
focused
>> on the "start-up" and website type market.
>> 
>> My only connection with C# is through ASP.Net and then through my IIS web
>> server. As most web servers are not ASP compatible this makes it
difficult.
>> (I think Microsoft should get their act together...it only took a two
month
>> project (3 weeks for the beta) to get PHP going as a IIS webserver
service.)
>> There have been some efforts to get MONO running on such webservers as
>> Apache and Nginx but so far nothing solid.
>> 
>>
http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/9738/Introduction-to-Mono-ASP-NET-with-X
>> SP-and-Apache
>> 
>> Mono does have its own little webserver, though fun to play with, it is
not
>> commercially viable.  As soon as Mono-C# can become available, as a
>> supported API, on the major webservers, C# will no longer be just a
desktop
>> development application. I am looking forward to that day.
>> 
>> Jim
> <<< skipped >>>
> -- 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Mar 21 23:37:24 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 14:37:24 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] QueryDefs question
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAtFC9znNRiL9LMt9u4_8WVYLHMczFZMpZJQWCbAyBx_VA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1g2TzAS-888F_tDgvwK3OzPahq7qWp0dasHM1f34yyugQ@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAKvidAtFC9znNRiL9LMt9u4_8WVYLHMczFZMpZJQWCbAyBx_VA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <514BE004.10820.2381C397@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Ooh, I wasn't aware of the 144.

-- 
Stuart

On 21 Mar 2013 at 22:07, jack drawbridge wrote:

> Arthur,
> 
> see this for a start
> http://accessblog.net/2009/12/how-to-list-queries-by-type.html
> 
> On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:
> 
> > Does someone know how to identify which QueryDefs are Pass-Thru Queries. I
> > want to walk the list of QueryDefs and visit the PTQs and only those.
> >
> > TIA,
> > --
> > Arthur
> > Cell: 647.710.1314
> >
> > As lousy as things are now, tomorrow they will be somebody's good old days.
> >
> > - Gerald Barzan
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
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> 



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Mar 21 22:52:58 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 23:52:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] QueryDefs question
In-Reply-To: <514BB71B.10519.22E1F7CD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CAEPJO1g2TzAS-888F_tDgvwK3OzPahq7qWp0dasHM1f34yyugQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<514BB5ED.13103.22DD5B50@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<514BB71B.10519.22E1F7CD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jwncXWGgXVyBgiQR61K3d-Jn4s21TFycaHmaSb6F_QHg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Stuart!

A.


On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 9:42 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> Or "Select Name from msysObjects where Type = 5 and Flags = 112"
>
>
> On 22 Mar 2013 at 11:37, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
>
> > Function GetQueryType()
> > Dim qdf As QueryDef
> > For Each qdf In CurrentDb.QueryDefs
> >     Debug.Print qdf.Name, qdf.Type
> > Next
> > End Function
> >
> > Passthrough is Type 112.
> >
> > --
> > Stuart
> >
> > On 21 Mar 2013 at 21:27, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> >
> > > Does someone know how to identify which QueryDefs are Pass-Thru
> Queries. I
> > > want to walk the list of QueryDefs and visit the PTQs and only those.
> > >
> > > TIA,
> > > --
> > > Arthur
> > > Cell: 647.710.1314
> > >
> > > As lousy as things are now, tomorrow they will be somebody's good old
> days.
> > >
> > > - Gerald Barzan
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
> --
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>



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Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Fri Mar 22 11:27:28 2013
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:27:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Workgroup Security [WAS: A97 and Win 7]
In-Reply-To: <8D6A97CC568F4AFE87143D1E882BCD73@XPS>
References: <00fb01ce200e$6eff2910$4cfd7b30$@cactus.dk>,
	<514855720200006B0002BF64@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>,
	<70A64AA180A040D8968E91C2ADACF74D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<5148E022.23739.17CA4A93@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<51496FF30200006B0002BFB3@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
	<8D6A97CC568F4AFE87143D1E882BCD73@XPS>
Message-ID: <514C4E300200006B0002C09C@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>

This didn't seem to come through Jim. 
 
We have a "junk" filter in our email client, and we have "GWAVA" running behind our GroupWise server, so spam goes in there as well. But, I've been looking through both, w/zero results. This tells me, it either didn't make it to our domain, or GWAVA kicked it out. It only does this for certain criteria though. Did there happen to be an attachment or anything like that? That is the only thing I can think of that would have kicked it out. 

>>> "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net> 3/20/2013 8:30 AM >>>
John,

I sent you an off-line e-mail yesterday.  Check your spam folder.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 08:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Workgroup Security [WAS: A97 and Win 7]

<<snip>>

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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Mar 22 12:19:04 2013
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 13:19:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Workgroup Security [WAS: A97 and Win 7]
In-Reply-To: <514C4E300200006B0002C09C@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
References: <00fb01ce200e$6eff2910$4cfd7b30$@cactus.dk>,
	<514855720200006B0002BF64@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>,
	<70A64AA180A040D8968E91C2ADACF74D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<5148E022.23739.17CA4A93@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<51496FF30200006B0002BFB3@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
	<8D6A97CC568F4AFE87143D1E882BCD73@XPS>
	<514C4E300200006B0002C09C@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <69D7B1014648406384ECAA59FAB74FD0@XPS>


 No.  Please send me a e-mail off-line

 jimdettman"at"earthlink.net

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:27 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Workgroup Security [WAS: A97 and Win 7]

This didn't seem to come through Jim. 
 
We have a "junk" filter in our email client, and we have "GWAVA" running
behind our GroupWise server, so spam goes in there as well. But, I've been
looking through both, w/zero results. This tells me, it either didn't make
it to our domain, or GWAVA kicked it out. It only does this for certain
criteria though. Did there happen to be an attachment or anything like that?
That is the only thing I can think of that would have kicked it out. 

>>> "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net> 3/20/2013 8:30 AM >>>
John,

I sent you an off-line e-mail yesterday.  Check your spam folder.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 08:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Workgroup Security [WAS: A97 and Win 7]

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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sun Mar 24 06:39:56 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 15:39:56 +0400
Subject: [AccessD]
 =?utf-8?b?T1Q6IEMjL0FTUC5ORVQgLSBXYXMgLSBSZVsyXTogIE1h?=
 =?utf-8?q?th_equations?=
In-Reply-To: <73E722FAA113446C9123D7511375A5EC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <514A7B76.7000001@gmail.com> <1363899618.619526886@f339.mail.ru>
	<73E722FAA113446C9123D7511375A5EC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <1364125196.80171547@f198.mail.ru>

 Hi Jim --

>>> Does Windows Azure support ASP.Net (with C#) websites? 
What are?their rates?
Please read here:

http://www.windowsazure.com/en-us/home/features/overview/

and

http://www.windowsazure.com/en-us/pricing/calculator/

>>> I like being able to host and develop my own sites then deploy them.
You choice.

Thank you.

-- Shamil


???????, 21 ????? 2013, 14:39 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi Shamil:
>
>Inline:
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:  accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>Shamil
>Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 2:00 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: [AccessD] OT: C#/ASP.NET - Was - Re[2]: Math equations
>
>?Hi Jim --
>
>I have changed the subject of this posting to not mix with JC's original
>one.
>>>>	Good idea.
>
>1. ASP.NET is hosted on so many ISP sites worldwide and the hosting prices
>are comparable with non-Windows hostings so C# is a real general purpose
>language for 10+ years now.
>>>>	I like being able to host and develop my own sites then deploy them.
>I do not want to have hunt for Windows Server sites...85 percent of
>the market is Linux or Unix so pickings can be lean and the costs
>more.
>?
>2. I'd expect Windows Azure will be one of the main competitors on "cloud"
>market for many years to come.
>>>>	Does Windows Azure support ASP.Net (with C#) websites? What are
>their 	rates?
>
>3. I have heard Nginx is great but I'd expect MS will (soon) make IIS
>comparable with it (in min. memory footprint, (unlimited) multi-threading
>for certain apps, scalability etc.) - e.g. in VS2012 you can run IIS
>instance even within console application.
>>>>	Nginx is a very different web server. It does not use
>multi-threading 	in the same way...it is event driven. Before Nginx,
>3 years ago the 	IIS webserver was number two and now it is number
>three. (This product 	blows the door of both IIS and Apache in performance
>and scalability) 
>
>Thank you.
>

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sun Mar 24 06:42:20 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 15:42:20 +0400
Subject: [AccessD]
 =?utf-8?b?T1Q6IEMjL0FTUC5ORVQgLSBXYXMgLSBSZVsyXTogIE1h?=
 =?utf-8?q?th_equations?=
In-Reply-To: <F46769F6-C592-474D-96EB-87BDB184853A@phulse.com>
References: <514A7B76.7000001@gmail.com> <1363899618.619526886@f339.mail.ru>
	<F46769F6-C592-474D-96EB-87BDB184853A@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <1364125340.473427057@f323.mail.ru>

 Hi Hans --

Please see the links I have posted in this thread for Jim.

Thank you.

-- Shamil


???????, 21 ????? 2013, 17:30 -07:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
>My understanding is that ASP.net usage is actually on the decline, as far as I know. Not drastically, but...
>
>As for Azure, we'll see in a years time. ;) Hopefully Microsoft can avoid embarrassing mistakes like when the entire Azure was down due to someone forgetting to renew an SSL certificate. Microsoft is also known to kill projects at a whim, even if they have an avid userbase. XNA for instance. If they can't seriously compete with Amazon (which I doubt they can), then I can see that happening. Especially if they have a change of leadership, which I am almost certain they will, as they are bleeding left and right.
>
>- Hans
>
>
>On 2013-03-21, at 2:00 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote:
>
>> Hi Jim --
>> 
>> I have changed the subject of this posting to not mix with JC's original one.
>> 
>> 1. ASP.NET is hosted on so many ISP sites worldwide and the hosting prices are comparable with non-Windows hostings so C# is a real general purpose language for 10+ years now.
>> 2. I'd expect Windows Azure will be one of the main competitors on "cloud" market for many years to come.
>> 3. I have heard Nginx is great but I'd expect MS will (soon) make IIS comparable with it (in min. memory footprint, (unlimited) multi-threading for certain apps, scalability etc.) - e.g. in VS2012 you can run IIS instance even within console application.
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> -- Shamil
>> 
>>?

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Mar 24 11:02:26 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:02:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: C#/ASP.NET - Was - Re[2]:  Math equations
In-Reply-To: <1364125196.80171547@f198.mail.ru>
References: <514A7B76.7000001@gmail.com>
	<1363899618.619526886@f339.mail.ru><73E722FAA113446C9123D7511375A5EC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<1364125196.80171547@f198.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <C42EE2A5E8B1450D84802E4AEB5DDF66@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Shamil:

Thank you for the links.

I will definitely take advantage of Windows 90 day free offer to see if I
can launch a product.

Jim
 
Aside: very busy now as the tax system is being changed. It separates the
direct tax structure into two distinct tax groups, each with different base
rates, applies those taxes differently depending on what products being sold
and it is all due by the end of the month. This is a bit of a windfall for
developers and business support techs.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 4:40 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: C#/ASP.NET - Was - Re[2]: Math equations

 Hi Jim --

>>> Does Windows Azure support ASP.Net (with C#) websites? 
What are?their rates?
Please read here:

http://www.windowsazure.com/en-us/home/features/overview/

and

http://www.windowsazure.com/en-us/pricing/calculator/

>>> I like being able to host and develop my own sites then deploy them.
You choice.

Thank you.

-- Shamil


???????, 21 ????? 2013, 14:39 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi Shamil:
>
>Inline:
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:  accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>Shamil
>Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 2:00 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: [AccessD] OT: C#/ASP.NET - Was - Re[2]: Math equations
>
>?Hi Jim --
>
>I have changed the subject of this posting to not mix with JC's original
>one.
>>>>	Good idea.
>
>1. ASP.NET is hosted on so many ISP sites worldwide and the hosting prices
>are comparable with non-Windows hostings so C# is a real general purpose
>language for 10+ years now.
>>>>	I like being able to host and develop my own sites then deploy them.
>I do not want to have hunt for Windows Server sites...85 percent of
>the market is Linux or Unix so pickings can be lean and the costs
>more.
>?
>2. I'd expect Windows Azure will be one of the main competitors on "cloud"
>market for many years to come.
>>>>	Does Windows Azure support ASP.Net (with C#) websites? What are
>their 	rates?
>
>3. I have heard Nginx is great but I'd expect MS will (soon) make IIS
>comparable with it (in min. memory footprint, (unlimited) multi-threading
>for certain apps, scalability etc.) - e.g. in VS2012 you can run IIS
>instance even within console application.
>>>>	Nginx is a very different web server. It does not use
>multi-threading 	in the same way...it is event driven. Before Nginx,
>3 years ago the 	IIS webserver was number two and now it is number
>three. (This product 	blows the door of both IIS and Apache in performance
>and scalability) 
>
>Thank you.
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Mar 24 12:15:20 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 13:15:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] rs.RecordCount
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jktf2WjS7C=6gS66TVhQCRbsE1wXRb9ShDYfa8jUC5Mw@mail.gmail.com>

In my Sunday morning "Nothing is True, Question Everything" mood, I was
playing around with recordsets and wrote this little test of RecordCount.
Because I've always assumed it would be bad, coded something like this:

<vba>
With rs
     If .bof or .eof then
         Msgbox
     end if
     .MoveLast
     .MoveFirst
     debug.print .RecordCount   ' or do something with it
End With
</vba>

So instead I tried this:

<vba>
    Dim intCount As Integer
    Dim rs As DAO.Recordset
    Set rs = Me.RecordsetClone

    With rs
        'This suggests that the common movelast command is unnecessary.
        'The record count is the same before and after
        Debug.Print "Count Before Move: " & .RecordCount
        .MoveFirst
        .MoveLast
        Debug.Print "Count After Move: " & .RecordCount
        intCount = .RecordCount
    End With
    Me.txtCount = intCount
    rs.Close
    Set rs = Nothing
</vba>

It appears that the recordset knows how large it is even without the
MoveLast command. Is the wisdom a myth? Or maybe that an old bug finally
got fixed? I'm using 2007, does that make a difference? Maybe it has
something to do with the size of the recordset, as in the case of a form
bound to a table with a million rows.

Any thoughts?
-- 
Arthur

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Mar 24 12:17:02 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 10:17:02 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Error 70 - Permission Denied
Message-ID: <895E9272F44A4DC787C70F928EB00076@HAL9007>

Dear List:
 
I have a user using an app compiled in A2K3, using run-time from
Wise/Sagekey.  Back end is on the server, front end with run-time is
installed on each client.
 
All clients have been running fine.  One does not - many operations in the
app generate an error 70 - Permission denied.  The error is trapped by my
error trapping and a message box is displayed with options to email or fax
the error to me.  Then the app closes and must be restarted.  
 
An oversight - I left the control box on the message so the user has just
been minimizing the error box and carrying on (gotta fix that toot sweet).
The user finds that the transactions she was doing when the error is raised
are all complete and correct.  
 
They can't tell me exactly how long this has been going on or what might
have changed right before this problem started.  
 
I had them copy the back end to the client and relink the tables locally to
see if it was a problem on the server.  Still had the problem.  
 
Then I had them relink the tables to a local demo database to see if the
problem was in their back end.  Same problem.
 
All clients are running the same version of the app.
 
So I think I've eliminated the back end, the front end, and the server as
problems.  It would perhaps seem to be a question of the user account.  But
I really don't know where to look.
 
Any guidance on what might be causing the problem and where to begin
looking?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
 
 

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Mar 24 12:47:12 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 03:47:12 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] rs.RecordCount
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jktf2WjS7C=6gS66TVhQCRbsE1wXRb9ShDYfa8jUC5Mw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jktf2WjS7C=6gS66TVhQCRbsE1wXRb9ShDYfa8jUC5Mw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <514F3C20.25671.30A197CB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

> Maybe it has something to do with the size of the recordset,

That's the way I've always understood it.

And a quick check reveals that it's still what MS says as at A2007:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/bb208624%28v=office.12%29.aspx

"Use the RecordCount property to find out how many records in a Recordset or TableDef 
object have been accessed. The RecordCount property doesn't indicate how many records 
are contained in a dynaset-, snapshot-, or forward-only-type Recordset object until all 
records have been accessed. Once the last record has been accessed, the RecordCount 
property indicates the total number of undeleted records in the Recordset or TableDef object. 
To force the last record to be accessed, use the MoveLast method on the Recordset object"

-- 
Stuart

On 24 Mar 2013 at 13:15, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> In my Sunday morning "Nothing is True, Question Everything" mood, I was
> playing around with recordsets and wrote this little test of RecordCount.
> Because I've always assumed it would be bad, coded something like this:
> 
> <vba>
> With rs
>      If .bof or .eof then
>          Msgbox
>      end if
>      .MoveLast
>      .MoveFirst
>      debug.print .RecordCount   ' or do something with it
> End With
> </vba>
> 
> So instead I tried this:
> 
> <vba>
>     Dim intCount As Integer
>     Dim rs As DAO.Recordset
>     Set rs = Me.RecordsetClone
> 
>     With rs
>         'This suggests that the common movelast command is unnecessary.
>         'The record count is the same before and after
>         Debug.Print "Count Before Move: " & .RecordCount
>         .MoveFirst
>         .MoveLast
>         Debug.Print "Count After Move: " & .RecordCount
>         intCount = .RecordCount
>     End With
>     Me.txtCount = intCount
>     rs.Close
>     Set rs = Nothing
> </vba>
> 
> It appears that the recordset knows how large it is even without the
> MoveLast command. Is the wisdom a myth? Or maybe that an old bug finally
> got fixed? I'm using 2007, does that make a difference? Maybe it has
> something to do with the size of the recordset, as in the case of a form
> bound to a table with a million rows.
> 
> Any thoughts?
> -- 
> Arthur
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From jbodin at sbor.com  Sun Mar 24 12:51:34 2013
From: jbodin at sbor.com (John Bodin)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:51:34 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Error 70 - Permission Denied
In-Reply-To: <895E9272F44A4DC787C70F928EB00076@HAL9007>
References: <895E9272F44A4DC787C70F928EB00076@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <f7fe17f020b14210af9cff66d3226e3f@BLUPR04MB023.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Have you eliminated user permissions in Windows?  If you get a user who is not having the problem to log into the machine of the user with the problem and run your app, does the error occur or not?  You can move forward from there, knowing that it is something with the install on that workstation (if new user has issues) or if not, then existing user may have windows permission errors.  You could also have him/her try using program from another working computer to see if that works or not.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:17 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Error 70 - Permission Denied

Dear List:
 
I have a user using an app compiled in A2K3, using run-time from Wise/Sagekey.  Back end is on the server, front end with run-time is installed on each client.
 
All clients have been running fine.  One does not - many operations in the app generate an error 70 - Permission denied.  The error is trapped by my error trapping and a message box is displayed with options to email or fax the error to me.  Then the app closes and must be restarted.  
 
An oversight - I left the control box on the message so the user has just been minimizing the error box and carrying on (gotta fix that toot sweet).
The user finds that the transactions she was doing when the error is raised are all complete and correct.  
 
They can't tell me exactly how long this has been going on or what might have changed right before this problem started.  
 
I had them copy the back end to the client and relink the tables locally to see if it was a problem on the server.  Still had the problem.  
 
Then I had them relink the tables to a local demo database to see if the problem was in their back end.  Same problem.
 
All clients are running the same version of the app.
 
So I think I've eliminated the back end, the front end, and the server as problems.  It would perhaps seem to be a question of the user account.  But I really don't know where to look.
 
Any guidance on what might be causing the problem and where to begin looking?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
 
 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Mar 24 12:55:56 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 03:55:56 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Error 70 - Permission Denied
In-Reply-To: <895E9272F44A4DC787C70F928EB00076@HAL9007>
References: <895E9272F44A4DC787C70F928EB00076@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <514F3E2C.31594.30A99867@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Permission denied can mean all sorts of things, from user rights to attempted concurrent 
access to locked files.

Is thins installation using the same FE directory as the others, if so - are they on the same 
OS version (MS got stricter about users creating/modifying files in locations such as Program 
Files)/

What sort of operations trigger it?   (You may need to put create a debug version with 
additional  code to tell you exactly where the error is occuring) 

Can you tell/find out whether it is on read or write operations?

Are you creating/using extraneous disk files at all?

Are you creating temporary tables or otherwise modifying the FE during any operations?

-- 
Stuart


On 24 Mar 2013 at 10:17, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> Dear List:
>  
> I have a user using an app compiled in A2K3, using run-time from
> Wise/Sagekey.  Back end is on the server, front end with run-time is
> installed on each client.
>  
> All clients have been running fine.  One does not - many operations in the
> app generate an error 70 - Permission denied.  The error is trapped by my
> error trapping and a message box is displayed with options to email or fax
> the error to me.  Then the app closes and must be restarted.  
>  
> An oversight - I left the control box on the message so the user has just
> been minimizing the error box and carrying on (gotta fix that toot sweet).
> The user finds that the transactions she was doing when the error is raised
> are all complete and correct.  
>  
> They can't tell me exactly how long this has been going on or what might
> have changed right before this problem started.  
>  
> I had them copy the back end to the client and relink the tables locally to
> see if it was a problem on the server.  Still had the problem.  
>  
> Then I had them relink the tables to a local demo database to see if the
> problem was in their back end.  Same problem.
>  
> All clients are running the same version of the app.
>  
> So I think I've eliminated the back end, the front end, and the server as
> problems.  It would perhaps seem to be a question of the user account.  But
> I really don't know where to look.
>  
> Any guidance on what might be causing the problem and where to begin
> looking?
>  
> MTIA
>  
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>  
>  
>  
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Mar 24 13:01:01 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 14:01:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] rs.RecordCount
In-Reply-To: <514F3C20.25671.30A197CB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CAEPJO1jktf2WjS7C=6gS66TVhQCRbsE1wXRb9ShDYfa8jUC5Mw@mail.gmail.com>
	<514F3C20.25671.30A197CB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hHLgXB-iKr7zx8siUnPpU+PdfDOJk+h0KERkdu7Q5S=Q@mail.gmail.com>

That clears it up for me. Thanks, Stuart. I'll go back to the old wisdom
LOL. Now where did I put my Intro to Alchemy book?

A.


On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> > Maybe it has something to do with the size of the recordset,
>
> That's the way I've always understood it.
>
> And a quick check reveals that it's still what MS says as at A2007:
>
>
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/bb208624%28v=office.12%29.aspx
>
> "Use the RecordCount property to find out how many records in a Recordset
> or TableDef
> object have been accessed. The RecordCount property doesn't indicate how
> many records
> are contained in a dynaset-, snapshot-, or forward-only-type Recordset
> object until all
> records have been accessed. Once the last record has been accessed, the
> RecordCount
> property indicates the total number of undeleted records in the Recordset
> or TableDef object.
> To force the last record to be accessed, use the MoveLast method on the
> Recordset object"
>
> --
> Stuart
>
> On 24 Mar 2013 at 13:15, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>
> > In my Sunday morning "Nothing is True, Question Everything" mood, I was
> > playing around with recordsets and wrote this little test of RecordCount.
> > Because I've always assumed it would be bad, coded something like this:
> >
> > <vba>
> > With rs
> >      If .bof or .eof then
> >          Msgbox
> >      end if
> >      .MoveLast
> >      .MoveFirst
> >      debug.print .RecordCount   ' or do something with it
> > End With
> > </vba>
> >
> > So instead I tried this:
> >
> > <vba>
> >     Dim intCount As Integer
> >     Dim rs As DAO.Recordset
> >     Set rs = Me.RecordsetClone
> >
> >     With rs
> >         'This suggests that the common movelast command is unnecessary.
> >         'The record count is the same before and after
> >         Debug.Print "Count Before Move: " & .RecordCount
> >         .MoveFirst
> >         .MoveLast
> >         Debug.Print "Count After Move: " & .RecordCount
> >         intCount = .RecordCount
> >     End With
> >     Me.txtCount = intCount
> >     rs.Close
> >     Set rs = Nothing
> > </vba>
> >
> > It appears that the recordset knows how large it is even without the
> > MoveLast command. Is the wisdom a myth? Or maybe that an old bug finally
> > got fixed? I'm using 2007, does that make a difference? Maybe it has
> > something to do with the size of the recordset, as in the case of a form
> > bound to a table with a million rows.
> >
> > Any thoughts?
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Mar 24 13:08:21 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 11:08:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Error 70 - Permission Denied
In-Reply-To: <f7fe17f020b14210af9cff66d3226e3f@BLUPR04MB023.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <895E9272F44A4DC787C70F928EB00076@HAL9007>
	<f7fe17f020b14210af9cff66d3226e3f@BLUPR04MB023.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BA7ABD0918384B7A9C2E25AD999A9F85@HAL9007>

Good idea.  I'll have them try that on Monday. TY

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bodin
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 70 - Permission Denied

Have you eliminated user permissions in Windows?  If you get a user who is
not having the problem to log into the machine of the user with the problem
and run your app, does the error occur or not?  You can move forward from
there, knowing that it is something with the install on that workstation (if
new user has issues) or if not, then existing user may have windows
permission errors.  You could also have him/her try using program from
another working computer to see if that works or not.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:17 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Error 70 - Permission Denied

Dear List:
 
I have a user using an app compiled in A2K3, using run-time from
Wise/Sagekey.  Back end is on the server, front end with run-time is
installed on each client.
 
All clients have been running fine.  One does not - many operations in the
app generate an error 70 - Permission denied.  The error is trapped by my
error trapping and a message box is displayed with options to email or fax
the error to me.  Then the app closes and must be restarted.  
 
An oversight - I left the control box on the message so the user has just
been minimizing the error box and carrying on (gotta fix that toot sweet).
The user finds that the transactions she was doing when the error is raised
are all complete and correct.  
 
They can't tell me exactly how long this has been going on or what might
have changed right before this problem started.  
 
I had them copy the back end to the client and relink the tables locally to
see if it was a problem on the server.  Still had the problem.  
 
Then I had them relink the tables to a local demo database to see if the
problem was in their back end.  Same problem.
 
All clients are running the same version of the app.
 
So I think I've eliminated the back end, the front end, and the server as
problems.  It would perhaps seem to be a question of the user account.  But
I really don't know where to look.
 
Any guidance on what might be causing the problem and where to begin
looking?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
 
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Mar 24 13:11:23 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 11:11:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Error 70 - Permission Denied
In-Reply-To: <514F3E2C.31594.30A99867@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <895E9272F44A4DC787C70F928EB00076@HAL9007>
	<514F3E2C.31594.30A99867@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <1EEDDC70952B484BB8A887DA787AD940@HAL9007>

*** in line

R 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 70 - Permission Denied

Permission denied can mean all sorts of things, from user rights to
attempted concurrent access to locked files.

Is thins installation using the same FE directory as the others, if so - are
they on the same OS version (MS got stricter about users creating/modifying
files in locations such as Program Files)/
*** Will check but I believe the answer is Yes.  They use my install script
and is unlikely that they changed the install directory.

What sort of operations trigger it?   (You may need to put create a debug
version with 
additional  code to tell you exactly where the error is occuring) 
*** Haven't found a pattern.

Can you tell/find out whether it is on read or write operations?
*** Not positive but appears to be writes.  But I'll check closer tomorrow.

Are you creating/using extraneous disk files at all?
*** No.

Are you creating temporary tables or otherwise modifying the FE during any
operations?
*** No mods.  I use temp tables for reports but don't re-create - just
delete all records before generating the report.

--
Stuart


On 24 Mar 2013 at 10:17, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> Dear List:
>  
> I have a user using an app compiled in A2K3, using run-time from
> Wise/Sagekey.  Back end is on the server, front end with run-time is
> installed on each client.
>  
> All clients have been running fine.  One does not - many operations in the
> app generate an error 70 - Permission denied.  The error is trapped by my
> error trapping and a message box is displayed with options to email or fax
> the error to me.  Then the app closes and must be restarted.  
>  
> An oversight - I left the control box on the message so the user has just
> been minimizing the error box and carrying on (gotta fix that toot sweet).
> The user finds that the transactions she was doing when the error is
raised
> are all complete and correct.  
>  
> They can't tell me exactly how long this has been going on or what might
> have changed right before this problem started.  
>  
> I had them copy the back end to the client and relink the tables locally
to
> see if it was a problem on the server.  Still had the problem.  
>  
> Then I had them relink the tables to a local demo database to see if the
> problem was in their back end.  Same problem.
>  
> All clients are running the same version of the app.
>  
> So I think I've eliminated the back end, the front end, and the server as
> problems.  It would perhaps seem to be a question of the user account.
But
> I really don't know where to look.
>  
> Any guidance on what might be causing the problem and where to begin
> looking?
>  
> MTIA
>  
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>  
>  
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Mar 24 16:55:00 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 07:55:00 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Error 70 - Permission Denied
In-Reply-To: <1EEDDC70952B484BB8A887DA787AD940@HAL9007>
References: <895E9272F44A4DC787C70F928EB00076@HAL9007>,
	<514F3E2C.31594.30A99867@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<1EEDDC70952B484BB8A887DA787AD940@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <514F7634.18209.3184789C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Writing into temporary tables  will modify the FE - if the problem is occurring when they are 
doing that, then it points to lack of "modify" permission in the FE directory.

-- 
Stuart

On 24 Mar 2013 at 11:11, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> 
> Are you creating temporary tables or otherwise modifying the FE during any
> operations?

> *** No mods.  I use temp tables for reports but don't re-create - just
> delete all records before generating the report.
> 



From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sun Mar 24 17:12:20 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:12:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] rs.RecordCount
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jktf2WjS7C=6gS66TVhQCRbsE1wXRb9ShDYfa8jUC5Mw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jktf2WjS7C=6gS66TVhQCRbsE1wXRb9ShDYfa8jUC5Mw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V6464jvTEfAkRW=TiKeftA=Y9y22-GMcH7t4uJm+4LGkw@mail.gmail.com>

"The" recordset as created from assignment from a recordsetclone object may
behave differently than a recordset created via adodb....?

From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Tue Mar 26 03:54:37 2013
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:54:37 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] test
Message-ID: <F35C4737E33A6543BC69DFB19CB5748F0618AF@bsserver.BondSoftware.local>

Gone a bit quiet in the Antipodes ...



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Mar 26 05:11:43 2013
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 10:11:43 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [AccessD] test
Message-ID: <1420985975.11228.1364292703596.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk>

...and in Blighty

> On 26 March 2013 at 08:54 Stephen Bond <stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz> wrote:
>
>
> Gone a bit quiet in the Antipodes ...
>
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Tue Mar 26 19:03:46 2013
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 11:03:46 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] test
In-Reply-To: <1420985975.11228.1364292703596.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk>
References: <1420985975.11228.1364292703596.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk>
Message-ID: <042201ce2a7e$8f3f76b0$adbe6410$@activebilling.com.au>

But the Antipodes is far more important than Blight...really

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Sent: Tuesday, 26 March 2013 9:12 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] test

...and in Blighty

> On 26 March 2013 at 08:54 Stephen Bond <stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz> wrote:
>
>
> Gone a bit quiet in the Antipodes ...
>
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Tue Mar 26 22:04:09 2013
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:04:09 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] test
In-Reply-To: <042201ce2a7e$8f3f76b0$adbe6410$@activebilling.com.au>
References: <1420985975.11228.1364292703596.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk>
	<042201ce2a7e$8f3f76b0$adbe6410$@activebilling.com.au>
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Hmmm - if I'm going to take the mickey it helps if there are no typos. Kinda
loses its affect
Though having said that...'Blight' does have a resonance :-)
Andy when are you coming visiting?

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren
Sent: Wednesday, 27 March 2013 11:04 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] test

But the Antipodes is far more important than Blight...really

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Tuesday, 26 March 2013 9:12 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] test

...and in Blighty

> On 26 March 2013 at 08:54 Stephen Bond <stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz> wrote:
>
>
> Gone a bit quiet in the Antipodes ...
>
>
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Mar 27 03:21:16 2013
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 08:21:16 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] test
In-Reply-To: <052901ce2a97$c240fbb0$46c2f310$@activebilling.com.au>
Message-ID: <CBEE3A7320E742D0A20FF1E9064E980A@MINSTER>

:-)) Coupla years when I've retired

So has everyone else gone? Just the Antipodeans and Brits here? Certainly
makes it nice and quiet. We could talk about cricket.....or maybe not. :-)

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren
Sent: 27 March 2013 03:04
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] test


Hmmm - if I'm going to take the mickey it helps if there are no typos. Kinda
loses its affect
Though having said that...'Blight' does have a resonance :-)
Andy when are you coming visiting?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren
Sent: Wednesday, 27 March 2013 11:04 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] test

But the Antipodes is far more important than Blight...really

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Sent: Tuesday, 26 March 2013 9:12 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] test

...and in Blighty

> On 26 March 2013 at 08:54 Stephen Bond <stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz> wrote:
>
>
> Gone a bit quiet in the Antipodes ...
>
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Mar 27 04:41:26 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 19:41:26 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] test
In-Reply-To: <CBEE3A7320E742D0A20FF1E9064E980A@MINSTER>
References: <052901ce2a97$c240fbb0$46c2f310$@activebilling.com.au>,
	<CBEE3A7320E742D0A20FF1E9064E980A@MINSTER>
Message-ID: <5152BEC6.9712.3E57F109@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Ooooh,  Yes.  Go on!

Let's talk cricket.   

On current performance, the Aussies will be lucky to win one match in the coming series, let 
alone get the Ashes back :-)

-- 
Stuart

On 27 Mar 2013 at 8:21, Andy Lacey wrote:

> :-)) Coupla years when I've retired
> 
> So has everyone else gone? Just the Antipodeans and Brits here? Certainly
> makes it nice and quiet. We could talk about cricket.....or maybe not. :-)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren
> Sent: 27 March 2013 03:04
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] test
> 
> 
> Hmmm - if I'm going to take the mickey it helps if there are no typos. Kinda
> loses its affect
> Though having said that...'Blight' does have a resonance :-)
> Andy when are you coming visiting?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren
> Sent: Wednesday, 27 March 2013 11:04 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] test
> 
> But the Antipodes is far more important than Blight...really
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Tuesday, 26 March 2013 9:12 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] test
> 
> ...and in Blighty
> 
> > On 26 March 2013 at 08:54 Stephen Bond <stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Gone a bit quiet in the Antipodes ...
> >
> >
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Mar 27 04:54:28 2013
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 09:54:28 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [AccessD] test
In-Reply-To: <5152BEC6.9712.3E57F109@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <052901ce2a97$c240fbb0$46c2f310$@activebilling.com.au>,
	<CBEE3A7320E742D0A20FF1E9064E980A@MINSTER>
	<5152BEC6.9712.3E57F109@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <1363022793.58852.1364378068814.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk>

And I'll be there at Trent Bridge to watch the proceedings. Can't wait. That's
as long as we can get over the humiliation of so nearly losing the series to the
kiwis. Anyone seen Monty's comedy dive? Realises he's struggling on a quick
single so dives with outstretched bat.....only to find he's misjudged it and is
now lying full length on the ground still short of his ground and has to sort of
wriggle the last couple of feet. Hilarious. Worth a watch on Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHIdzEpZiyk


> On 27 March 2013 at 09:41 Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:
>
>
> Ooooh, Yes. Go on!
>
> Let's talk cricket.
>
> On current performance, the Aussies will be lucky to win one match in the
> coming series, let
> alone get the Ashes back :-)
>
> --
> Stuart
>
> On 27 Mar 2013 at 8:21, Andy Lacey wrote:
>
> > :-)) Coupla years when I've retired
> >
> > So has everyone else gone? Just the Antipodeans and Brits here? Certainly
> > makes it nice and quiet. We could talk about cricket.....or maybe not. :-)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren
> > Sent: 27 March 2013 03:04
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] test
> >
> >
> > Hmmm - if I'm going to take the mickey it helps if there are no typos. Kinda
> > loses its affect
> > Though having said that...'Blight' does have a resonance :-)
> > Andy when are you coming visiting?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren
> > Sent: Wednesday, 27 March 2013 11:04 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] test
> >
> > But the Antipodes is far more important than Blight...really
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> > Sent: Tuesday, 26 March 2013 9:12 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] test
> >
> > ...and in Blighty
> >
> > > On 26 March 2013 at 08:54 Stephen Bond <stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Gone a bit quiet in the Antipodes ...
> > >
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From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Wed Mar 27 07:46:14 2013
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 08:46:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] test
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	<CBEE3A7320E742D0A20FF1E9064E980A@MINSTER>
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Its sights like that that makes me realize how much I miss cricket since I moved to the States 20 years ago. [The late] Jonners and Co. on Radio 3 with the TV sound turned off. You just can't beat it.

Lambert :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 5:54 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] test

And I'll be there at Trent Bridge to watch the proceedings. Can't wait. That's as long as we can get over the humiliation of so nearly losing the series to the kiwis. Anyone seen Monty's comedy dive? Realises he's struggling on a quick single so dives with outstretched bat.....only to find he's misjudged it and is now lying full length on the ground still short of his ground and has to sort of wriggle the last couple of feet. Hilarious. Worth a watch on Youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHIdzEpZiyk


> On 27 March 2013 at 09:41 Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:
>
>
> Ooooh, Yes. Go on!
>
> Let's talk cricket.
>
> On current performance, the Aussies will be lucky to win one match in 
> the coming series, let alone get the Ashes back :-)
>
> --
> Stuart
>
> On 27 Mar 2013 at 8:21, Andy Lacey wrote:
>
> > :-)) Coupla years when I've retired
> >
> > So has everyone else gone? Just the Antipodeans and Brits here? 
> > Certainly makes it nice and quiet. We could talk about 
> > cricket.....or maybe not. :-)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren
> > Sent: 27 March 2013 03:04
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] test
> >
> >
> > Hmmm - if I'm going to take the mickey it helps if there are no 
> > typos. Kinda loses its affect Though having said that...'Blight' 
> > does have a resonance :-) Andy when are you coming visiting?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren
> > Sent: Wednesday, 27 March 2013 11:04 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] test
> >
> > But the Antipodes is far more important than Blight...really
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy 
> > Lacey
> > Sent: Tuesday, 26 March 2013 9:12 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] test
> >
> > ...and in Blighty
> >
> > > On 26 March 2013 at 08:54 Stephen Bond <stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Gone a bit quiet in the Antipodes ...
> > >
> > >
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 27 09:02:17 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 07:02:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] test
In-Reply-To: <CBEE3A7320E742D0A20FF1E9064E980A@MINSTER>
References: <052901ce2a97$c240fbb0$46c2f310$@activebilling.com.au>
	<CBEE3A7320E742D0A20FF1E9064E980A@MINSTER>
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Hi Andy:

So what do you do...you are just retired?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 1:21 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] test

:-)) Coupla years when I've retired

So has everyone else gone? Just the Antipodeans and Brits here? Certainly
makes it nice and quiet. We could talk about cricket.....or maybe not. :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren
Sent: 27 March 2013 03:04
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] test


Hmmm - if I'm going to take the mickey it helps if there are no typos. Kinda
loses its affect
Though having said that...'Blight' does have a resonance :-)
Andy when are you coming visiting?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren
Sent: Wednesday, 27 March 2013 11:04 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] test

But the Antipodes is far more important than Blight...really

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Tuesday, 26 March 2013 9:12 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] test

...and in Blighty

> On 26 March 2013 at 08:54 Stephen Bond <stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz> wrote:
>
>
> Gone a bit quiet in the Antipodes ...
>
>
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Wed Mar 27 10:30:23 2013
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 08:30:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Workgroup Security [WAS: A97 and Win 7]
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References: <00fb01ce200e$6eff2910$4cfd7b30$@cactus.dk>
	<51408B2B0200006B0002BCE5@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
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	<514339890200006B0002BDCB@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
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Can you copy the object from the database into a new database in whatever
format?  That would get rid of security as well.

Charlotte

On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 9:09 AM, John Clark <John.Clark at niagaracounty.com>wrote:

> I still have not tried this. It has been hard finding a suitable guinea
> pig...I don't want to harm a PC that is working.
>
> Basically, I'm beginning to think, it just cannot be done. I have run into
> so many road-blocks...unless someone can give me some sort of "proof" that
> this works, I'm thinking I'm just going to announce that it cannot be done.
> Yes, people claim to have run A97 on Win 7, but was that a 32-bit box? I am
> working on 64-bit, and it ain't budging. I have instructions, but I cannot
> run them...the pieces of these instructions just aren't applicable.
>
> My approach now is to somehow see if I cannot update this DB instead. The
> problem here though is that this particular access program has Workgroup
> security setup with it. I never liked Access' version of security myself,
> so I never got around to learning it. It won't let me update w/the
> security...not even an option...but I don't think I can remove the security
> w/out A97 running. The only machine I have A97 working...actually there are
> two...is a live machine, and I'm leery of messing w/those machines that are
> working.
>
> A question...to remove Access workgroup security, is it as simple as
> opening this up, on an A97 machine that works, and removing security? Is
> there any fallout to watch out for?
> I've been at this now for more than 3 full days...I just have to move on...
>
> >>> "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net> 3/15/2013 3:47 PM >>>
> <<
> Ah...that is a thought...something that I did think of earlier, but had
> forgotten...uninstalling all, and then going in "older-first" order. Maybe
> I'll try that Monday...I'm tapped...been at this for two whole days w/zip
> for results.
> >>
>
> Make sure you use separate directories as well...
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 03:09 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A97 and Win 7
>
> Ah...that is a thought...something that I did think of earlier, but had
> forgotten...uninstalling all, and then going in "older-first" order. Maybe
> I'll try that Monday...I'm tapped...been at this for two whole days w/zip
> for results.
>
> And, now I'm wondering if it is even possible for 64-bit. Any instructions
> that I have been given prove to not work.
>
> The biggest holdup actually, seems to be a font...Tahoma. I follow the
> directions right along, and all is alright...UNTIL...I get to the part
> where
> I have to update A97 to SR2. To do this, it says you MUST remove 4 font
> files...Comic and Tahomas...but the Tahoma will not go, says it is a
> "Windows System Font." I cannot remove, move, or change the name of this
> file. So, I try to run SR2 anyhow, and it bombs. The log points to the
> Tahoma font.
>
> Now, if I do a version check on the Jet 3.5, it says it is Service pack 3
> (SP3) w/enhanced security ...3.51.3328.0
>
> I don't know...back to the drawing board on Monday I guess.
>
> >>> Stephen Hait <shait at stephenhait.com> 3/15/2013 7:40 AM >>>
> On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 2:20 PM, John Clark
> <John.Clark at niagaracounty.com>wrote:
>
> > OK, I am confused. I've been told...definitively...that Access 97 will
> not
> > run on Win 7...and that it can. So, what is the answer from this group?
> >
>
> I run A97 on Win 7 32 bit all the time along with various later versions. I
> don't have a version installed on 64 bit Win 7. I think I installed them in
> the order of earlier versions before later.
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Wed Mar 27 10:33:12 2013
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 08:33:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Workgroup Security [WAS: A97 and Win 7]
In-Reply-To: <5148E022.23739.17CA4A93@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
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That's true in theory, Stuart.  In practice, I've found that some 32-bit
apps have to be specifically run in a compatibility mode that forces the
app to behave.

Charlotte

On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> Ahem,
>
> Windows 64 bit runs any 32 bit application automatically using WOW64,
>  just as 32 bit
> Windows would run any 16bit (DOS) application using WOW32.
>
> There is no technical reason why you can't run Access97 on Win64.
>
> All of John's problems seem to relate to.
>
> 1.   The known problem with certain font names during installation of A97
> on later versions of
> Windows.
>
> 2.  Problems with the Access security and the absence of System.mdw. This
> is not specific to
> A97, he would have the same problem with A2000 or A2003 if they use Access
> built in
> security and an mdw file.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Stuart
>
> On 19 Mar 2013 at 10:34, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>
> > You are correct John that you can not run a 32 bit application like
> Access97
> > on a 64 bit box without some sort of emulator or virtual drive.
> >
> > If you did get some emulator or VM running then there would be issues
> with
> > the 32 bit drivers that would not be compatible with the environment, the
> > hardware and A97.
> >
> > I would bale on this as it is more effort than it is worth and a solution
> > would never work reliably. The time involved, in such an effort would be
> > better spent re-writing the application.
> >
> > In summary, with a new application there are so many new features that
> can
> > be accessed in this new environment.
> >
> > Jim
> >
>
>
>

From darren at activebilling.com.au  Wed Mar 27 16:16:06 2013
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 08:16:06 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] test
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Yes, let's talk cricket. Australia's complete and utter dominance of the
sport is well and truly on the wane.
(Sniff sniff). And to make it unbearable Mr. Lacey may be right (I think he
is right) The ashes will be in British hands...again.
The pain, the unbearable pain. I'll then have to put up with his sneaky,
verbal pokes.
But when Australia was winning...I was gracious in our triumph (Probably
because we were so used to it) .
Narry a whisper of conceit. (Giggle - I'm laughing to myself as I type this)

We have a Pakistani bloke at work - Loves cricket more than anyone I have
ever known. 
He's heartbroken - because his adopted home is being beaten by...none other
than the mortal enemy of every cricket loving Pakistani...India. 
Oh the torment. It's a hoot

OK everyone back to declaring recordsets
Is it

Dim rs as ...
Or 
Dim rst as ...

<crickets> <crickets>



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Wednesday, 27 March 2013 8:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] test

And I'll be there at Trent Bridge to watch the proceedings. Can't wait.
That's as long as we can get over the humiliation of so nearly losing the
series to the kiwis. Anyone seen Monty's comedy dive? Realises he's
struggling on a quick single so dives with outstretched bat.....only to find
he's misjudged it and is now lying full length on the ground still short of
his ground and has to sort of wriggle the last couple of feet. Hilarious.
Worth a watch on Youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHIdzEpZiyk


> On 27 March 2013 at 09:41 Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:
>
>
> Ooooh, Yes. Go on!
>
> Let's talk cricket.
>
> On current performance, the Aussies will be lucky to win one match in 
> the coming series, let alone get the Ashes back :-)
>
> --
> Stuart
>
> On 27 Mar 2013 at 8:21, Andy Lacey wrote:
>
> > :-)) Coupla years when I've retired
> >
> > So has everyone else gone? Just the Antipodeans and Brits here? 
> > Certainly makes it nice and quiet. We could talk about 
> > cricket.....or maybe not. :-)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren
> > Sent: 27 March 2013 03:04
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] test
> >
> >
> > Hmmm - if I'm going to take the mickey it helps if there are no 
> > typos. Kinda loses its affect Though having said that...'Blight' 
> > does have a resonance :-) Andy when are you coming visiting?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren
> > Sent: Wednesday, 27 March 2013 11:04 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] test
> >
> > But the Antipodes is far more important than Blight...really
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy 
> > Lacey
> > Sent: Tuesday, 26 March 2013 9:12 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] test
> >
> > ...and in Blighty
> >
> > > On 26 March 2013 at 08:54 Stephen Bond <stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz>
wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Gone a bit quiet in the Antipodes ...
> > >
> > >
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Mar 28 03:04:09 2013
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 08:04:09 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] test
In-Reply-To: <005301ce2b30$4d1995b0$e74cc110$@activebilling.com.au>
Message-ID: <FE7924E36FF1479ABDD4712641E73D8E@MINSTER>

England v Aussie, Pakistan v India. The two great rivalries. Top stuff mate.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren
Sent: 27 March 2013 21:16
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] test


Yes, let's talk cricket. Australia's complete and utter dominance of the
sport is well and truly on the wane.
(Sniff sniff). And to make it unbearable Mr. Lacey may be right (I think he
is right) The ashes will be in British hands...again.
The pain, the unbearable pain. I'll then have to put up with his sneaky,
verbal pokes.
But when Australia was winning...I was gracious in our triumph (Probably
because we were so used to it) .
Narry a whisper of conceit. (Giggle - I'm laughing to myself as I type this)

We have a Pakistani bloke at work - Loves cricket more than anyone I have
ever known. 
He's heartbroken - because his adopted home is being beaten by...none other
than the mortal enemy of every cricket loving Pakistani...India. 
Oh the torment. It's a hoot

OK everyone back to declaring recordsets
Is it

Dim rs as ...
Or 
Dim rst as ...

<crickets> <crickets>



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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Wednesday, 27 March 2013 8:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] test

And I'll be there at Trent Bridge to watch the proceedings. Can't wait.
That's as long as we can get over the humiliation of so nearly losing the
series to the kiwis. Anyone seen Monty's comedy dive? Realises he's
struggling on a quick single so dives with outstretched bat.....only to find
he's misjudged it and is now lying full length on the ground still short of
his ground and has to sort of wriggle the last couple of feet. Hilarious.
Worth a watch on Youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHIdzEpZiyk


> On 27 March 2013 at 09:41 Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:
>
>
> Ooooh, Yes. Go on!
>
> Let's talk cricket.
>
> On current performance, the Aussies will be lucky to win one match in 
> the coming series, let alone get the Ashes back :-)
>
> --
> Stuart
>
> On 27 Mar 2013 at 8:21, Andy Lacey wrote:
>
> > :-)) Coupla years when I've retired
> >
> > So has everyone else gone? Just the Antipodeans and Brits here? 
> > Certainly makes it nice and quiet. We could talk about 
> > cricket.....or maybe not. :-)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren
> > Sent: 27 March 2013 03:04
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] test
> >
> >
> > Hmmm - if I'm going to take the mickey it helps if there are no 
> > typos. Kinda loses its affect Though having said that...'Blight' 
> > does have a resonance :-) Andy when are you coming visiting?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren
> > Sent: Wednesday, 27 March 2013 11:04 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] test
> >
> > But the Antipodes is far more important than Blight...really
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy 
> > Lacey
> > Sent: Tuesday, 26 March 2013 9:12 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] test
> >
> > ...and in Blighty
> >
> > > On 26 March 2013 at 08:54 Stephen Bond <stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz>
wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Gone a bit quiet in the Antipodes ...
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Mar 28 03:04:09 2013
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 08:04:09 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] test
In-Reply-To: <A5BD23A003294C47AFE3012BA949C0F8@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <7662223742E54B53986DD57A6157D6A6@MINSTER>

Hi Jim

Haven't reached the promised land of retirement yet (not quite). As to what
I'll do, we'll see. Watch more cricket and travel as much as possible I
guess. Might even go and see Darren and his lovely missus again and gloat
over another Ashes triumph :-)

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 27 March 2013 14:02
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] test


Hi Andy:

So what do you do...you are just retired?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 1:21 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] test

:-)) Coupla years when I've retired

So has everyone else gone? Just the Antipodeans and Brits here? Certainly
makes it nice and quiet. We could talk about cricket.....or maybe not. :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren
Sent: 27 March 2013 03:04
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] test


Hmmm - if I'm going to take the mickey it helps if there are no typos. Kinda
loses its affect
Though having said that...'Blight' does have a resonance :-)
Andy when are you coming visiting?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren
Sent: Wednesday, 27 March 2013 11:04 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] test

But the Antipodes is far more important than Blight...really

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Sent: Tuesday, 26 March 2013 9:12 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] test

...and in Blighty

> On 26 March 2013 at 08:54 Stephen Bond <stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz> wrote:
>
>
> Gone a bit quiet in the Antipodes ...
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From michael at mattysconsulting.com  Thu Mar 28 07:22:53 2013
From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 08:22:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] test
In-Reply-To: <FE7924E36FF1479ABDD4712641E73D8E@MINSTER>
References: <005301ce2b30$4d1995b0$e74cc110$@activebilling.com.au>
	<FE7924E36FF1479ABDD4712641E73D8E@MINSTER>
Message-ID: <00c501ce2bae$f9b67030$ed235090$@mattysconsulting.com>

Hi Andy & All,

In my life, there has never been a television channel that broadcast any
Cricket, 
rather American baseball, football, basketball, soccer, lacrosse,
gymnastics, etc.

An American could, once upon a time, remain ignorant of Cricket all his life

as much as driving on the same side of the road as the rest of the world.

In fact, if I hadn't viewed the video you linked to, I'd think that Cricket
was still 
from an era gone by as in Downton Abbey (a rather brilliant UK production, I
might add)

Michael R Mattys
Mattys Consulting, LLC
www.mattysconsulting.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 4:04 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] test

England v Aussie, Pakistan v India. The two great rivalries. Top stuff mate.


From michael at mattysconsulting.com  Thu Mar 28 07:28:52 2013
From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 08:28:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Roads Table
Message-ID: <00c601ce2baf$cfca0ec0$6f5e2c40$@mattysconsulting.com>

I thought I might look this up as well.

http://www.i18nguy.com/driver-side.html#countrytable

 

Michael R Mattys

Mattys Consulting, LLC

 <http://www.mattysconsulting.com/> www.mattysconsulting.com

 


From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Thu Mar 28 07:48:38 2013
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 08:48:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Workgroup Security [WAS: A97 and Win 7]
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met8sLU=30-30C_DfcL6iGi3w3uR4J6eG_-2pSvM_FPictQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00fb01ce200e$6eff2910$4cfd7b30$@cactus.dk>
	<51408B2B0200006B0002BCE5@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
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	<514339890200006B0002BDCB@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
	<CA120F2483884C07A68C9483FDDD9DAE@XPS>
	<514855720200006B0002BF64@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
	<CAH+Met8sLU=30-30C_DfcL6iGi3w3uR4J6eG_-2pSvM_FPictQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <515403E60200006B0002C1C1@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>

Well, this was my plan for this week. I got the program up and running for them, but I wanted to do this in advance of any further problems down the road...get rid of security and then see if the program will update w/out much (any?) help.
 
I wasn't looking forward to it, because there are 146 objects...and I did not realize I had to do them one at a time.  Then I got the bright idea to do it from a different angle...create a new DB and import it all, rather than the export. 
 
But...neither of these ideas has panned out for me. Both of these processes give the message, "Access has stopped working" and then "Access is shutting down."
 
I swear this whole project has been cursed. I knew it would be a bit of a challenge, but I wasn't prepared for this. Literally every single time I've made progress, I was met w/yet another challenge. 
 
However...I DID finally get A97 to run on MY Win 7 PC. I honestly am not sure how I did it though...I was stuck at the point where I could not run the SR2, because of the font issue, but then at one point I checked the version and it seemed to be correct. So, I got into trying some more, and at one point I got a message about the SYSTEM.MDW file. While helping a workmate w/something they were working on, I ran across some instructions that clicked on the light bulb and I thought, "this might work on my PC." These were instructions that address the MDW file better, and since I've never used Workgroup Security, I am just not all that familiar w/this.  It actually worked. 
 
Of course I ran into a couple more issues, but these had more to do w/our specific network...we are in the middle of a migration from Novell to Win AD, and there were some mapping issues. 
 
While I'd been doing all this, another workmate had offered to setup one of our not so old, yet decommissioned PCs. He loaded it up w/Win XP and Access 97. Even there though we had issues. Finally got it up and going, and then had to deal with some missing libraries. There were four of these. Two of them were standard things, and I just took care of it as I normally would...downloaded and registered the library file. But, there were two that I didn't understand why they were even there...they were GroupWise library files. I figured, he shouldn't be using these, and I couldn't think of any instances where they would be used, so I just deleted them. This caused some compile errors and I was getting quite ticked...this was an outside programmer that had been brought in, behind my back...I'm already not real happy w/it...but now this guy has done things that I see as...for lack of a better word...STUPIDLY! 
 
I got past these last few hurdles and we got this PC to the user. As a little side note, the user was so happy that they are baking treats...for the tech that put the PC on her desk. Nevermind the programmer who spent a good chunk of his week on this thing ;o)

>>> Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com> 3/27/2013 11:30 AM >>>
Can you copy the object from the database into a new database in whatever format?  That would get rid of security as well.

Charlotte

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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Fri Mar 29 15:59:21 2013
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 15:59:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How To Make All Controls on a Form Invisible
References: <00fb01ce200e$6eff2910$4cfd7b30$@cactus.dk><51408B2B0200006B0002BCE5@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com><CANfetCsG8x2TCL+mMzt=M2mvQCwbVGCk5Og-yjSUZoWiR0w-xg@mail.gmail.com><514339890200006B0002BDCB@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com><CA120F2483884C07A68C9483FDDD9DAE@XPS><514855720200006B0002BF64@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com><CAH+Met8sLU=30-30C_DfcL6iGi3w3uR4J6eG_-2pSvM_FPictQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501916652@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

All,

We have an Access 2007 application that has a form which contains many
controls (buttons).

This application is now going to be placed on a PC where the user is
only suppose to see only 1 button.

Is there an easy way in VBA to make all buttons on the form invisible.
(This would be followed by a single line of code to make the single
button visible for this specific user.)

Thanks,
Brad




From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Mar 29 16:25:32 2013
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 17:25:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] How To Make All Controls on a Form Invisible
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501916652@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <00fb01ce200e$6eff2910$4cfd7b30$@cactus.dk><51408B2B0200006B0002BCE5@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com><CANfetCsG8x2TCL+mMzt=M2mvQCwbVGCk5Og-yjSUZoWiR0w-xg@mail.gmail.com><514339890200006B0002BDCB@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com><CA120F2483884C07A68C9483FDDD9DAE@XPS><514855720200006B0002BF64@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com><CAH+Met8sLU=30-30C_DfcL6iGi3w3uR4J6eG_-2pSvM_FPictQ@mail.gmail.com>
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  You can do it by section:

   Me.Detail0.Visible = False

 Otherwise, you'll need to loop through the forms control collection.

Jim.

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Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 04:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] How To Make All Controls on a Form Invisible

All,

We have an Access 2007 application that has a form which contains many
controls (buttons).

This application is now going to be placed on a PC where the user is
only suppose to see only 1 button.

Is there an easy way in VBA to make all buttons on the form invisible.
(This would be followed by a single line of code to make the single
button visible for this specific user.)

Thanks,
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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Fri Mar 29 16:27:34 2013
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 17:27:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] How To Make All Controls on a Form Invisible
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Brad,
I wrote some code on a forum recently to identify all controls on all forms.
I'm not sure what you are looking for exactly, but the code is in post #4
at this link

http://www.accessforums.net/access/list-all-control-names-all-forms-access-31409.html


There is a loop within the code to iterate all the controls on a form, you
could use that (in my view)  to set the controls Visible property to False.

Recently  I sent some vba code/sub to this list and responder didn't know
vba, so the post was meaningless. If you need something else, just "holler".

Good luck.
jack

From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Fri Mar 29 16:29:48 2013
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 21:29:48 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] How To Make All Controls on a Form Invisible
In-Reply-To: <CF3E7994E8A14E43BD81830135CCD31A@XPS>
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	<CA120F2483884C07A68C9483FDDD9DAE@XPS>
	<514855720200006B0002BF64@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
	<CAH+Met8sLU=30-30C_DfcL6iGi3w3uR4J6eG_-2pSvM_FPictQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<515403E60200006B0002C1C1@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
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I usually loop through the controls, just done a quick test created a form
called Form1, then added three buttons named Button1, Button2, Button3 and
put the following code in the open event,

    Dim ctrls As Control
    For Each ctrls In Forms("Form1").Controls
        If ctrls.Name = "Button2" Then
            Me(ctrls.Name).Visible = False
        End If
    Next

Paul





On 29 March 2013 21:25, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>   You can do it by section:
>
>    Me.Detail0.Visible = False
>
>  Otherwise, you'll need to loop through the forms control collection.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 04:59 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] How To Make All Controls on a Form Invisible
>
> All,
>
> We have an Access 2007 application that has a form which contains many
> controls (buttons).
>
> This application is now going to be placed on a PC where the user is
> only suppose to see only 1 button.
>
> Is there an easy way in VBA to make all buttons on the form invisible.
> (This would be followed by a single line of code to make the single
> button visible for this specific user.)
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
>
>
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From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Fri Mar 29 16:33:59 2013
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 21:33:59 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DBA-TECH list
Message-ID: <CALGJE94hF_cCLNrmmf69OhmayVvhhAAM5aiVL58EfraakQ2PMA@mail.gmail.com>

To all,

Are there many people on the DBA-TECH list these days, I have only just
subscribed to as I need to find out some information about remote keypads
(could be placed in any home or office) sending a line of text to an email
address or some other way of getting that information into a table.


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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Fri Mar 29 16:41:00 2013
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 16:41:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How To Make All Controls on a Form Invisible --
	THANKS!
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Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501916663@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

Jim, Jack, Paul,

Thanks for the help with this question.

I now have a working example.

I appreciate the assistance.

You guys are great!

Brad

  

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hartland
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 4:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How To Make All Controls on a Form Invisible

I usually loop through the controls, just done a quick test created a
form
called Form1, then added three buttons named Button1, Button2, Button3
and
put the following code in the open event,

    Dim ctrls As Control
    For Each ctrls In Forms("Form1").Controls
        If ctrls.Name = "Button2" Then
            Me(ctrls.Name).Visible = False
        End If
    Next

Paul





On 29 March 2013 21:25, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>   You can do it by section:
>
>    Me.Detail0.Visible = False
>
>  Otherwise, you'll need to loop through the forms control collection.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 04:59 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] How To Make All Controls on a Form Invisible
>
> All,
>
> We have an Access 2007 application that has a form which contains many
> controls (buttons).
>
> This application is now going to be placed on a PC where the user is
> only suppose to see only 1 button.
>
> Is there an easy way in VBA to make all buttons on the form invisible.
> (This would be followed by a single line of code to make the single
> button visible for this specific user.)
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
>
>
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From rbgajewski at roadrunner.com  Fri Mar 29 20:52:33 2013
From: rbgajewski at roadrunner.com (Bob Gajewski)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 21:52:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] How To Make All Controls on a Form Invisible --THANKS!
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501916663@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <00fb01ce200e$6eff2910$4cfd7b30$@cactus.dk><51408B2B0200006B0002BCE5@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com><CANfetCsG8x2TCL+mMzt=M2mvQCwbVGCk5Og-yjSUZoWiR0w-xg@mail.gmail.com><514339890200006B0002BDCB@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com><CA120F2483884C07A68C9483FDDD9DAE@XPS><514855720200006B0002BF64@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com><CAH+Met8sLU=30-30C_DfcL6iGi3w3uR4J6eG_-2pSvM_FPictQ@mail.gmail.com><515403E60200006B0002C1C1@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501916652@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><CF3E7994E8A14E43BD81830135CCD31A@XPS><CALGJE95kxFfX8f5Dq-VKJScDd6wUb2HfPL8FqWBXZzV9ozX-Qw@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501916663@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <4FD4CB72287848569BAB950654978991@7B440585K>

Brad

I use the follow code in many forms for resetting/initializing values. You
could certainly adapt it to make visible or hide controls by type.

Bob Gajewski

Private Sub cmdResetAll_Click()
On Error GoTo Err_cmdResetAll_Click

' Set default focus
    frmSelectRecords.SetFocus

' Initialize fields
    Dim I As Integer
    For I = 0 To Me.Count - 1
        If TypeOf Me(I) Is TextBox Then
            Me(I).Value = Null
        ElseIf TypeOf Me(I) Is ComboBox Then
            Me(I).Value = Null
        ElseIf TypeOf Me(I) Is CheckBox Then
            Me(I) = False
            Me(I).Enabled = True
        ElseIf TypeOf Me(I) Is OptionGroup Then
            Me(I).Value = Null
        End If
    Next I

' Set default report parameters
    frmSelectRecords = 1
    frmSortOrder = 1
    frmSortOrder.Enabled = True
    frmReportType = 1
    frmReportType.Enabled = True
    strWhere = ""
    strSortOrder = ""
    strReportName = ""

Exit_cmdResetAll_Click:
    Exit Sub

Err_cmdResetAll_Click:
    MsgBox Err.Description
    Resume Exit_cmdResetAll_Click

End Sub 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 17:41 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How To Make All Controls on a Form Invisible
--THANKS!

Jim, Jack, Paul,

Thanks for the help with this question.

I now have a working example.

I appreciate the assistance.

You guys are great!

Brad

  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hartland
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 4:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How To Make All Controls on a Form Invisible

I usually loop through the controls, just done a quick test created a form
called Form1, then added three buttons named Button1, Button2, Button3 and
put the following code in the open event,

    Dim ctrls As Control
    For Each ctrls In Forms("Form1").Controls
        If ctrls.Name = "Button2" Then
            Me(ctrls.Name).Visible = False
        End If
    Next

Paul





On 29 March 2013 21:25, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>   You can do it by section:
>
>    Me.Detail0.Visible = False
>
>  Otherwise, you'll need to loop through the forms control collection.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 04:59 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] How To Make All Controls on a Form Invisible
>
> All,
>
> We have an Access 2007 application that has a form which contains many 
> controls (buttons).
>
> This application is now going to be placed on a PC where the user is 
> only suppose to see only 1 button.
>
> Is there an easy way in VBA to make all buttons on the form invisible.
> (This would be followed by a single line of code to make the single 
> button visible for this specific user.)
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
>
>
> --
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>
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>



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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Sat Mar 30 12:30:21 2013
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 10:30:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] How To Make All Controls on a Form Invisible
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501916652@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <00fb01ce200e$6eff2910$4cfd7b30$@cactus.dk>
	<51408B2B0200006B0002BCE5@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
	<CANfetCsG8x2TCL+mMzt=M2mvQCwbVGCk5Og-yjSUZoWiR0w-xg@mail.gmail.com>
	<514339890200006B0002BDCB@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
	<CA120F2483884C07A68C9483FDDD9DAE@XPS>
	<514855720200006B0002BF64@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
	<CAH+Met8sLU=30-30C_DfcL6iGi3w3uR4J6eG_-2pSvM_FPictQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<515403E60200006B0002C1C1@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501916652@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met-8KLQhN82TXnEmrHtcf+wJn53FWn4Kn1Qm7UzM7zg+Hg@mail.gmail.com>

If you want to hide ALL the controls of a particular type, then TypeOf is
your friend.  If you want specific controls hidden, you'll need to use the
control names.

Charlotte


On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com>wrote:

> All,
>
> We have an Access 2007 application that has a form which contains many
> controls (buttons).
>
> This application is now going to be placed on a PC where the user is
> only suppose to see only 1 button.
>
> Is there an easy way in VBA to make all buttons on the form invisible.
> (This would be followed by a single line of code to make the single
> button visible for this specific user.)
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Sun Mar 31 15:42:31 2013
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 21:42:31 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT-Stand alone keypad device
Message-ID: <CALGJE955n=BsqLAPkEOBspJMF6Nnhc=zU5ibSBprqSrNrwkrHA@mail.gmail.com>

To all,

I have sent this to the tech list, but haven't had one response or any
other email from the list since joining, so I have sent it here in the hope
that someone may be able to help.

I have an idea (very early stages) and I am hoping the one part of it or
something very similar already exists.  I want a numerical keypad that when
the * or # key is pressed it can sent a line of text to a table on a
database.

My first thought would be that if it would send an email or sms (if sms
could go through a 3rd party to convert to email), then I could write an
app to scan the email address every so often and put the line of text into
my table, which I have done before.

So basically I need to know if any of you know if such a keypad unit
exists, they would be site based i.e. could be in a home or office.

If anyone can help or point me in the right direction I would be grateful

-- 
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paul.hartland at googlemail.com

From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk  Sun Mar 31 15:55:56 2013
From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 21:55:56 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT-Stand alone keypad device
References: <CALGJE955n=BsqLAPkEOBspJMF6Nnhc=zU5ibSBprqSrNrwkrHA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3DFE4A906EC3431AA360EEF2F311B950@jamesc319792ae>

Keyboards return a 2 byte code to the driver, and that passes on the 
appropriate data to whatever app, or additional 'driver' the OS considers to 
be 'connected' to the keyboard.

That's the way that the keyboards with the extra keys work
as in press the email key and you get the email app loaded
or
press the volumee down and the volume is changed

So - it should not be too difficult to either modify such a driver,
or
have the app selected by the OS for activation, or receipt of the control 
request modified.

There are also 'keyboard macro' utilities that 'install' between the 
keyboard device driver and the OS handler for that driver's output

Now re the numeric keypad I have seen add-on's in teh shops for tablet 
systems.

Maybe start a Google search with keys of
keyboard express

and -
Auto recorder
macro recorder
keyboard macro driver


JimB


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Hartland" <paul.hartland at googlemail.com>
To: "Access List" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 9:42 PM
Subject: [AccessD] OT-Stand alone keypad device


> To all,
>
> I have sent this to the tech list, but haven't had one response or any
> other email from the list since joining, so I have sent it here in the 
> hope
> that someone may be able to help.
>
> I have an idea (very early stages) and I am hoping the one part of it or
> something very similar already exists.  I want a numerical keypad that 
> when
> the * or # key is pressed it can sent a line of text to a table on a
> database.
>
> My first thought would be that if it would send an email or sms (if sms
> could go through a 3rd party to convert to email), then I could write an
> app to scan the email address every so often and put the line of text into
> my table, which I have done before.
>
> So basically I need to know if any of you know if such a keypad unit
> exists, they would be site based i.e. could be in a home or office.
>
> If anyone can help or point me in the right direction I would be grateful
>
> -- 
> Paul Hartland
> paul.hartland at googlemail.com
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> AccessD mailing list
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