jack drawbridge
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Sat Mar 2 07:46:08 CST 2013
Come on John, you remember Visicalc..... On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 8:23 AM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote: > >That said, Excel still holds the honour of the killer PC application that > got the whole show out of the IT department and into the hands of everyday > users. It really did give power to the people and I will always love it for > that. > > And here I thought Lotus 123 did that. > > > John W. Colby > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > > On 3/1/2013 8:42 PM, Darryl Collins wrote: > >> Yep, with you 100% on that one John (or 110% as some Excel users I know >> would say ;) ). >> >> Personally I still think of these tools as I first did back in the early >> days of MS Office. The database is for storing the data and shrinking down >> the vast raw data into the bits you require to look at via views / queries >> / whatever. >> >> Excel is for doing the analysis, Pivots, charting, number mashing and >> playing with scenarios. >> >> Word is for doing the final presentation (or maybe (god forbid), >> Powerpoint). >> >> Too many folks try to do it all in one application. >> I have seen spreadsheet attempted in word tables. >> Databases in Excel is real common. >> the list goes on... >> >> That said, Excel still holds the honour of the killer PC application that >> got the whole show out of the IT department and into the hands of everyday >> users. It really did give power to the people and I will always love it >> for that. >> >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________**__________ >> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>[ >> accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>] >> on behalf of John W Colby [jwcolby at gmail.com] >> Sent: Saturday, 2 March 2013 2:52 AM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this >> >> us meek Excel hacks will be still be making money and in demand long >>> after MS Access is retired from general use and Access devs are extinct. >>> >> LOL, ain't that the truth. I still prefer databases though. Each has >> its place, it's just that >> Excel so often ends up being turned into a database which it doesn't >> Excel at (pun intended) >> >> >> John W. Colby >> >> Reality is what refuses to go away >> when you do not believe in it >> >> On 2/28/2013 8:48 PM, Darryl Collins wrote: >> >>> hehehehe, It is ok Bill, as an amatuer hack I am used to be insulted ;) >>> And whilst that maybe indeed the case we are mere dabblers in the dark >>> arts of VBA - us meek Excel hacks will be still be making money and in >>> demand long after MS Access is retired from general use and Access devs are >>> extinct. >>> >>> So all good really ;) . Arthur, please stick around on Excel - L, you >>> will fit right in and your skills, experience and contributions will be >>> appreciated. Besides, I usually find you highly entertaining as well as >>> educational - and not just with VBA stuff either. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Darryl. >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**__________ >>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>[ >>> accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>] >>> on behalf of William Benson (VBACreations.Com) [vbacreations at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2013 9:04 PM >>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this >>> >>> Art, you take one thread (or a couple) and then kick an entire Listserv >>> to >>> the curb? You ought to be ashamed ;-) >>> >>> Plus you just insulted both me and Darryl... >>> >>> Meanie. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> >>> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>] >>> On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller >>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:11 AM >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>> Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this >>> >>> For some reason I ended up joining a list about Excel >>> EXCEL-L at peach.ease.lsoft.com), mistaking it for one our our lists. Wow >>> was >>> I wrong/ These people need more than a lifetime of help. Unfortunately, >>> as I >>> age, I don't have that much time.. . >>> >>> To be fair, it's a user's group not a developer's group, and it does shed >>> some light on the differenence. >>> >>> The scary part is that some of these people fancy themselves as "Quants", >>> short for Quantitative Analysts, which means that they are risking the >>> hard-earned money that others have made and invested in this or that >>> fund. >>> And I am aware of many of their algorithms, having once worked for a >>> Bermudian hedge fund, which at least had the sense to use SQL Server >>> rather >>> then Excel. >>> >>> This seriously frightens me. These Excel listers, save on or two, don't >>> even >>> know that there is a difference between a Range and an Array. >>> >>> The prospect that these people are playing with millions of dollars of >>> money >>> belonging to other people is truly frightening. The up-side is that I >>> have >>> invested zero dollars in the opinions of these fools; the down-side is >>> that >>> many several millions have, and I fear for their prospects. >>> >>> I guess what I am saying is this: if you want to realize what a valuable >>> group this one is, just go visit that one for a minute or two. To think >>> that >>> these people are waging millions of other people's dollars on their >>> "feelings" is ghastly. >>> >>> Hold onto your wallet; trust no one, especially if they come bearing a >>> spreadsheet.Yes, there are tools available to audit spreadsheets, and I >>> trust them. But in their absence. do not trust anyone. These people are >>> jokers, fools or scammers. Take your pick. >>> >>> I do not fancy myself as an Excel guru. But once I learned the model, I >>> had >>> no problem doing some fancy footwork in Excel. Bur rhis goes to way that >>> there is a difference between a programmer and a user. The frightening >>> part >>> is that users equipped with Excel are making decisions involving >>> millions of >>> other people's dollars. >>> >>> -- >>> Arthur >>> Cell: 647.710.1314 >>> >>> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. >>> -- Niels Bohr >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com> >>> >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com> >> >> >> >> -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com> >