John Colby
jwcolby at gmail.com
Sat Mar 2 23:04:30 CST 2013
While visicalc came before, Lotus made the spreadsheet ubiquitous on the pc. On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Tina Norris Fields < tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote: > Oh my, yes! How could we have overlooked Visicalc? We had that on the > Honeywell word-porcessing stations that we installed in 1982-ish (1982, 3, > or 4). I thought that was the best thing ever. Saw Lotus 1-2-3 for the > first time, when? About 1985 or 6 I think. > T > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-**com > 231-322-2787 > > On 3/2/2013 8:46 AM, jack drawbridge wrote: > >> Come on John, you remember Visicalc..... >> >> On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 8:23 AM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> That said, Excel still holds the honour of the killer PC application that >>>> >>> got the whole show out of the IT department and into the hands of >>> everyday >>> users. It really did give power to the people and I will always love it >>> for >>> that. >>> >>> And here I thought Lotus 123 did that. >>> >>> >>> John W. Colby >>> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away >>> when you do not believe in it >>> >>> >>> On 3/1/2013 8:42 PM, Darryl Collins wrote: >>> >>> Yep, with you 100% on that one John (or 110% as some Excel users I know >>>> would say ;) ). >>>> >>>> Personally I still think of these tools as I first did back in the early >>>> days of MS Office. The database is for storing the data and shrinking >>>> down >>>> the vast raw data into the bits you require to look at via views / >>>> queries >>>> / whatever. >>>> >>>> Excel is for doing the analysis, Pivots, charting, number mashing and >>>> playing with scenarios. >>>> >>>> Word is for doing the final presentation (or maybe (god forbid), >>>> Powerpoint). >>>> >>>> Too many folks try to do it all in one application. >>>> I have seen spreadsheet attempted in word tables. >>>> Databases in Excel is real common. >>>> the list goes on... >>>> >>>> That said, Excel still holds the honour of the killer PC application >>>> that >>>> got the whole show out of the IT department and into the hands of >>>> everyday >>>> users. It really did give power to the people and I will always love it >>>> for that. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________****__________ >>>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvi**sors.com<http://databaseadvisors.com> >>>> <accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> >>>> >[ >>>> accessd-bounces@**databaseadvi**sors.com <http://databaseadvisors.com>< >>>> accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> >>>> >] >>>> on behalf of John W Colby [jwcolby at gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Saturday, 2 March 2013 2:52 AM >>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this >>>> >>>> us meek Excel hacks will be still be making money and in demand long >>>> >>>>> after MS Access is retired from general use and Access devs are >>>>> extinct. >>>>> >>>>> LOL, ain't that the truth. I still prefer databases though. Each has >>>> its place, it's just that >>>> Excel so often ends up being turned into a database which it doesn't >>>> Excel at (pun intended) >>>> >>>> >>>> John W. Colby >>>> >>>> Reality is what refuses to go away >>>> when you do not believe in it >>>> >>>> On 2/28/2013 8:48 PM, Darryl Collins wrote: >>>> >>>> hehehehe, It is ok Bill, as an amatuer hack I am used to be insulted ;) >>>>> And whilst that maybe indeed the case we are mere dabblers in the >>>>> dark >>>>> arts of VBA - us meek Excel hacks will be still be making money and in >>>>> demand long after MS Access is retired from general use and Access >>>>> devs are >>>>> extinct. >>>>> >>>>> So all good really ;) . Arthur, please stick around on Excel - L, you >>>>> will fit right in and your skills, experience and contributions will be >>>>> appreciated. Besides, I usually find you highly entertaining as well >>>>> as >>>>> educational - and not just with VBA stuff either. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> Darryl. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________****__________ >>>>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvi**sors.com<http://databaseadvisors.com> >>>>> <accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> >>>>> >[ >>>>> accessd-bounces@**databaseadvi**sors.com <http://databaseadvisors.com> >>>>> <accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> >>>>> >] >>>>> on behalf of William Benson (VBACreations.Com) [vbacreations at gmail.com >>>>> ] >>>>> Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2013 9:04 PM >>>>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this >>>>> >>>>> Art, you take one thread (or a couple) and then kick an entire Listserv >>>>> to >>>>> the curb? You ought to be ashamed ;-) >>>>> >>>>> Plus you just insulted both me and Darryl... >>>>> >>>>> Meanie. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvi**sors.com<http://databaseadvisors.com> >>>>> <accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> >>>>> > >>>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**data**baseadvisors.com<http://databaseadvisors.com> >>>>> <accessd-**bounces at databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> >>>>> >] >>>>> On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller >>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:11 AM >>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>>>> Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this >>>>> >>>>> For some reason I ended up joining a list about Excel >>>>> EXCEL-L at peach.ease.lsoft.com), mistaking it for one our our lists. >>>>> Wow >>>>> was >>>>> I wrong/ These people need more than a lifetime of help. Unfortunately, >>>>> as I >>>>> age, I don't have that much time.. . >>>>> >>>>> To be fair, it's a user's group not a developer's group, and it does >>>>> shed >>>>> some light on the differenence. >>>>> >>>>> The scary part is that some of these people fancy themselves as >>>>> "Quants", >>>>> short for Quantitative Analysts, which means that they are risking the >>>>> hard-earned money that others have made and invested in this or that >>>>> fund. >>>>> And I am aware of many of their algorithms, having once worked for a >>>>> Bermudian hedge fund, which at least had the sense to use SQL Server >>>>> rather >>>>> then Excel. >>>>> >>>>> This seriously frightens me. These Excel listers, save on or two, don't >>>>> even >>>>> know that there is a difference between a Range and an Array. >>>>> >>>>> The prospect that these people are playing with millions of dollars of >>>>> money >>>>> belonging to other people is truly frightening. The up-side is that I >>>>> have >>>>> invested zero dollars in the opinions of these fools; the down-side is >>>>> that >>>>> many several millions have, and I fear for their prospects. >>>>> >>>>> I guess what I am saying is this: if you want to realize what a >>>>> valuable >>>>> group this one is, just go visit that one for a minute or two. To think >>>>> that >>>>> these people are waging millions of other people's dollars on their >>>>> "feelings" is ghastly. >>>>> >>>>> Hold onto your wallet; trust no one, especially if they come bearing a >>>>> spreadsheet.Yes, there are tools available to audit spreadsheets, and I >>>>> trust them. But in their absence. do not trust anyone. These people are >>>>> jokers, fools or scammers. Take your pick. >>>>> >>>>> I do not fancy myself as an Excel guru. But once I learned the model, I >>>>> had >>>>> no problem doing some fancy footwork in Excel. Bur rhis goes to way >>>>> that >>>>> there is a difference between a programmer and a user. The frightening >>>>> part >>>>> is that users equipped with Excel are making decisions involving >>>>> millions of >>>>> other people's dollars. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Arthur >>>>> Cell: 647.710.1314 >>>>> >>>>> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. >>>>> -- Niels Bohr >>>>> -- >>>>> AccessD mailing list >>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/****mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd> >>>>> <http:**//databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> >>>>> > >>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.****com<http://www.** >>>>> databaseadvisors.com <http://www.databaseadvisors.com>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AccessD mailing list >>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/****mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd> >>>>> <http:**//databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> >>>>> > >>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.****com<http://www.** >>>>> databaseadvisors.com <http://www.databaseadvisors.com>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>> AccessD mailing list >>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/****mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd> >>>> <http:**//databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> >>>> > >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.****com<http://www.** >>>> databaseadvisors.com <http://www.databaseadvisors.com>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/****mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd> >>> <http:**//databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> >>> > >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.****com<http://www.** >>> databaseadvisors.com <http://www.databaseadvisors.com>> >>> >>> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com> > -- John W. 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