From vbacreations at gmail.com  Wed May  1 11:53:28 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 12:53:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Data to Custom Outlook Fields/Columns
In-Reply-To: <3C72BCA829BD4AB8BBAC22C48A390818@7even>
References: <mailman.1383.1360225723.29496.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
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Try the other direction as id you were importing from the table in outlook
and see what outlook offers as field names when you link to it and import
from it. Maybe the names will appear different or are aliased.
On Apr 28, 2013 3:16 PM, "Access Pro" <accesspro at cox.net> wrote:

>
> Hello to the list,
>
> I have a need to append data to an attached table in A2010.
> The attached table is an Exchange/Outlook table.
> I am able to do except for the custom fields/columns I have added in
> Outlook.
> These columns are visible in Outlook. I can add data in Outlook.
> But when I add one of these to my append query, it blows up.
> "The INSERT INTO statement contains the following unknown field name:
> 'Phone
> Cellular Spouse'. Make sure you have typed the name correctly, and try the
> operation again."
>
>
>
> Tia
>
> Bob Heygood
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu May  2 02:08:54 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 09:08:54 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Nz trap with dates in queries
Message-ID: <002901ce4703$e82361f0$b86a25d0$@cactus.dk>

Hi all

I browsed this article:

http://www.fmsinc.com/MicrosoftAccess/query/sort/multiple-dates.htm

and much to my surprise the note about the Nz trap is true.

When used in a query, this expression returns a string:

    DateNotNull: Nz([DateFieldWithNulls], Date())

You can easily see it, because if you apply a date format to the column, it
has no effect.

The real strange part, however, is that if you add two other columns:

    TypeDate: VarType([DateFieldWithNulls])
    TypeDatez: VarType(Nz([DateFieldWithNulls], Date()))

the first returns 7 (DateTime) and 1 (Null) while the other returns 7s only
... no 8s for string!

The workaround is either of these methods - the first corrects the result,
the second (from the article) uses a good, old alternative:

    DateNotNull: CDate(Nz([DateFieldWithNulls], Date()))
    DateNotNull: IIf([DateFieldWithNulls] Is Null, Date(),
[DateFieldWithNulls])

/gustav


From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Thu May  2 10:24:36 2013
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 11:24:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Nz trap with dates in queries
In-Reply-To: <002901ce4703$e82361f0$b86a25d0$@cactus.dk>
References: <002901ce4703$e82361f0$b86a25d0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9801E72372D1@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>

I think that a golden rule when using Nz(), anywhere, is to *always* convert the result to the data type you expect. Save a lot of confusion.

Lambert

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 3:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Nz trap with dates in queries

Hi all

I browsed this article:

http://www.fmsinc.com/MicrosoftAccess/query/sort/multiple-dates.htm

and much to my surprise the note about the Nz trap is true.

When used in a query, this expression returns a string:

    DateNotNull: Nz([DateFieldWithNulls], Date())

You can easily see it, because if you apply a date format to the column, it has no effect.

The real strange part, however, is that if you add two other columns:

    TypeDate: VarType([DateFieldWithNulls])
    TypeDatez: VarType(Nz([DateFieldWithNulls], Date()))

the first returns 7 (DateTime) and 1 (Null) while the other returns 7s only ... no 8s for string!

The workaround is either of these methods - the first corrects the result, the second (from the article) uses a good, old alternative:

    DateNotNull: CDate(Nz([DateFieldWithNulls], Date()))
    DateNotNull: IIf([DateFieldWithNulls] Is Null, Date(),
[DateFieldWithNulls])

/gustav

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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Thu May  2 12:14:05 2013
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 10:14:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Nz trap with dates in queries
In-Reply-To: <002901ce4703$e82361f0$b86a25d0$@cactus.dk>
References: <002901ce4703$e82361f0$b86a25d0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met85fKvGGgiiM8+idxatTZPYiE+5hqF6HX4Bk=6B6hBe-A@mail.gmail.com>

That issue has been around forever, Gustav.  Nz always needs to be cast
into a datatype unless you're looking for a string.

Charlotte

On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 12:08 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi all
>
> I browsed this article:
>
> http://www.fmsinc.com/MicrosoftAccess/query/sort/multiple-dates.htm
>
> and much to my surprise the note about the Nz trap is true.
>
> When used in a query, this expression returns a string:
>
>     DateNotNull: Nz([DateFieldWithNulls], Date())
>
> You can easily see it, because if you apply a date format to the column, it
> has no effect.
>
> The real strange part, however, is that if you add two other columns:
>
>     TypeDate: VarType([DateFieldWithNulls])
>     TypeDatez: VarType(Nz([DateFieldWithNulls], Date()))
>
> the first returns 7 (DateTime) and 1 (Null) while the other returns 7s only
> ... no 8s for string!
>
> The workaround is either of these methods - the first corrects the result,
> the second (from the article) uses a good, old alternative:
>
>     DateNotNull: CDate(Nz([DateFieldWithNulls], Date()))
>     DateNotNull: IIf([DateFieldWithNulls] Is Null, Date(),
> [DateFieldWithNulls])
>
> /gustav
>
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Thu May  2 14:14:34 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 15:14:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Nz trap with dates in queries
In-Reply-To: <002901ce4703$e82361f0$b86a25d0$@cactus.dk>
References: <002901ce4703$e82361f0$b86a25d0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <037701ce4769$4984ef30$dc8ecd90$@gmail.com>

Is the former, or latter faster?

>>    DateNotNull: CDate(Nz([DateFieldWithNulls], Date()))

>>     DateNotNull: IIf([DateFieldWithNulls] Is Null, Date(),
[DateFieldWithNulls])

Also, wouldn't it be better to assign the Date () to a parameter then use
that parameter in place of Date()? 

Suppose you ran this at 23:59:00 and it is inside a query which takes a long
time to run, wouldn't Date() change for later records?


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 3:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Nz trap with dates in queries

Hi all

I browsed this article:

http://www.fmsinc.com/MicrosoftAccess/query/sort/multiple-dates.htm

and much to my surprise the note about the Nz trap is true.

When used in a query, this expression returns a string:

    DateNotNull: Nz([DateFieldWithNulls], Date())

You can easily see it, because if you apply a date format to the column, it
has no effect.

The real strange part, however, is that if you add two other columns:

    TypeDate: VarType([DateFieldWithNulls])
    TypeDatez: VarType(Nz([DateFieldWithNulls], Date()))

the first returns 7 (DateTime) and 1 (Null) while the other returns 7s only
... no 8s for string!

The workaround is either of these methods - the first corrects the result,
the second (from the article) uses a good, old alternative:

    DateNotNull: CDate(Nz([DateFieldWithNulls], Date()))
    DateNotNull: IIf([DateFieldWithNulls] Is Null, Date(),
[DateFieldWithNulls])

/gustav

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri May  3 03:47:39 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 10:47:39 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Nz trap with dates in queries
Message-ID: <006b01ce47da$de64be70$9b2e3b50$@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

I've never seen an issue because of this. It should only be so if you in a
query sort on an expression using it.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Charlotte Foust
Sendt: 2. maj 2013 19:14
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Nz trap with dates in queries

That issue has been around forever, Gustav.  Nz always needs to be cast into
a datatype unless you're looking for a string.

Charlotte

On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 12:08 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi all
>
> I browsed this article:
>
> http://www.fmsinc.com/MicrosoftAccess/query/sort/multiple-dates.htm
>
> and much to my surprise the note about the Nz trap is true.
>
> When used in a query, this expression returns a string:
>
>     DateNotNull: Nz([DateFieldWithNulls], Date())
>
> You can easily see it, because if you apply a date format to the 
> column, it has no effect.
>
> The real strange part, however, is that if you add two other columns:
>
>     TypeDate: VarType([DateFieldWithNulls])
>     TypeDatez: VarType(Nz([DateFieldWithNulls], Date()))
>
> the first returns 7 (DateTime) and 1 (Null) while the other returns 7s 
> only ... no 8s for string!
>
> The workaround is either of these methods - the first corrects the 
> result, the second (from the article) uses a good, old alternative:
>
>     DateNotNull: CDate(Nz([DateFieldWithNulls], Date()))
>     DateNotNull: IIf([DateFieldWithNulls] Is Null, Date(),
> [DateFieldWithNulls])
>
> /gustav 



From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri May  3 03:50:53 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 10:50:53 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Nz trap with dates in queries
Message-ID: <006d01ce47db$51fc6b30$f5f54190$@cactus.dk>

Hi William

The latter.

You are right about potential issues using Date() this way. I only used it
here because it for certain will return a VarType of 7.

/gustav

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af William Benson
(VBACreations.Com)
Sendt: 2. maj 2013 21:15
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Nz trap with dates in queries

Is the former, or latter faster?

>>    DateNotNull: CDate(Nz([DateFieldWithNulls], Date()))

>>     DateNotNull: IIf([DateFieldWithNulls] Is Null, Date(),
[DateFieldWithNulls])

Also, wouldn't it be better to assign the Date () to a parameter then use
that parameter in place of Date()? 

Suppose you ran this at 23:59:00 and it is inside a query which takes a long
time to run, wouldn't Date() change for later records?


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 3:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Nz trap with dates in queries

Hi all

I browsed this article:

http://www.fmsinc.com/MicrosoftAccess/query/sort/multiple-dates.htm

and much to my surprise the note about the Nz trap is true.

When used in a query, this expression returns a string:

    DateNotNull: Nz([DateFieldWithNulls], Date())

You can easily see it, because if you apply a date format to the column, it
has no effect.

The real strange part, however, is that if you add two other columns:

    TypeDate: VarType([DateFieldWithNulls])
    TypeDatez: VarType(Nz([DateFieldWithNulls], Date()))

the first returns 7 (DateTime) and 1 (Null) while the other returns 7s only
... no 8s for string!

The workaround is either of these methods - the first corrects the result,
the second (from the article) uses a good, old alternative:

    DateNotNull: CDate(Nz([DateFieldWithNulls], Date()))
    DateNotNull: IIf([DateFieldWithNulls] Is Null, Date(),
[DateFieldWithNulls])

/gustav 



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri May  3 03:59:47 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 03 May 2013 18:59:47 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Nz trap with dates in queries
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met85fKvGGgiiM8+idxatTZPYiE+5hqF6HX4Bk=6B6hBe-A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002901ce4703$e82361f0$b86a25d0$@cactus.dk>,
	<CAH+Met85fKvGGgiiM8+idxatTZPYiE+5hqF6HX4Bk=6B6hBe-A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51837C83.26168.2B7E9965@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

It implicitly castes as a number with no problems.

I frequently use  things like:
TotalCharge: Cost * Qty  + NZ(FreightCharge,0)


On 2 May 2013 at 10:14, Charlotte Foust wrote:

> That issue has been around forever, Gustav.  Nz always needs to be cast
> into a datatype unless you're looking for a string.
> 
> Charlotte
> 
> On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 12:08 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> 
> > Hi all
> >
> > I browsed this article:
> >
> > http://www.fmsinc.com/MicrosoftAccess/query/sort/multiple-dates.htm
> >
> > and much to my surprise the note about the Nz trap is true.
> >
> > When used in a query, this expression returns a string:
> >
> >     DateNotNull: Nz([DateFieldWithNulls], Date())
> >
> > You can easily see it, because if you apply a date format to the column, it
> > has no effect.
> >
> > The real strange part, however, is that if you add two other columns:
> >
> >     TypeDate: VarType([DateFieldWithNulls])
> >     TypeDatez: VarType(Nz([DateFieldWithNulls], Date()))
> >
> > the first returns 7 (DateTime) and 1 (Null) while the other returns 7s only
> > ... no 8s for string!
> >
> > The workaround is either of these methods - the first corrects the result,
> > the second (from the article) uses a good, old alternative:
> >
> >     DateNotNull: CDate(Nz([DateFieldWithNulls], Date()))
> >     DateNotNull: IIf([DateFieldWithNulls] Is Null, Date(),
> > [DateFieldWithNulls])
> >
> > /gustav
> >
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri May  3 05:11:14 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 12:11:14 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Nz trap with dates in queries
Message-ID: <008101ce47e6$8b801400$a2803c00$@cactus.dk>

Hi Stuart

Yes, in code it works - you can use VarType to confirm the data type
returned.

Neither have I had any issues in queries, it only shows when you apply a
sorting. But maybe I've never sorted on a column using Nz with anything else
than text.

/gustav

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Stuart McLachlan
Sendt: 3. maj 2013 11:00
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Nz trap with dates in queries

It implicitly castes as a number with no problems.

I frequently use  things like:
TotalCharge: Cost * Qty  + NZ(FreightCharge,0)


On 2 May 2013 at 10:14, Charlotte Foust wrote:

> That issue has been around forever, Gustav.  Nz always needs to be 
> cast into a datatype unless you're looking for a string.
> 
> Charlotte
> 
> On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 12:08 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> 
> > Hi all
> >
> > I browsed this article:
> >
> > http://www.fmsinc.com/MicrosoftAccess/query/sort/multiple-dates.htm
> >
> > and much to my surprise the note about the Nz trap is true.
> >
> > When used in a query, this expression returns a string:
> >
> >     DateNotNull: Nz([DateFieldWithNulls], Date())
> >
> > You can easily see it, because if you apply a date format to the 
> > column, it has no effect.
> >
> > The real strange part, however, is that if you add two other columns:
> >
> >     TypeDate: VarType([DateFieldWithNulls])
> >     TypeDatez: VarType(Nz([DateFieldWithNulls], Date()))
> >
> > the first returns 7 (DateTime) and 1 (Null) while the other returns 
> > 7s only ... no 8s for string!
> >
> > The workaround is either of these methods - the first corrects the 
> > result, the second (from the article) uses a good, old alternative:
> >
> >     DateNotNull: CDate(Nz([DateFieldWithNulls], Date()))
> >     DateNotNull: IIf([DateFieldWithNulls] Is Null, Date(),
> > [DateFieldWithNulls])
> >
> > /gustav 



From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Fri May  3 07:50:30 2013
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 08:50:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Nz trap with dates in queries
In-Reply-To: <006d01ce47db$51fc6b30$f5f54190$@cactus.dk>
References: <006d01ce47db$51fc6b30$f5f54190$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9801E7237393@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>

I *think* that when Jet optimizes the query it will figure out that the call to Date() [or Now()] is implicitly looking for a constant value, and so the function call only happens once, at the start of execution of the query. Now if you execute the SQL directly (with CurrentDb.Execute) then that optimization may not happen.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 4:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Nz trap with dates in queries

Hi William

The latter.

You are right about potential issues using Date() this way. I only used it here because it for certain will return a VarType of 7.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af William Benson
(VBACreations.Com)
Sendt: 2. maj 2013 21:15
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Nz trap with dates in queries

Is the former, or latter faster?

>>    DateNotNull: CDate(Nz([DateFieldWithNulls], Date()))

>>     DateNotNull: IIf([DateFieldWithNulls] Is Null, Date(),
[DateFieldWithNulls])

Also, wouldn't it be better to assign the Date () to a parameter then use that parameter in place of Date()? 

Suppose you ran this at 23:59:00 and it is inside a query which takes a long time to run, wouldn't Date() change for later records?


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 3:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Nz trap with dates in queries

Hi all

I browsed this article:

http://www.fmsinc.com/MicrosoftAccess/query/sort/multiple-dates.htm

and much to my surprise the note about the Nz trap is true.

When used in a query, this expression returns a string:

    DateNotNull: Nz([DateFieldWithNulls], Date())

You can easily see it, because if you apply a date format to the column, it has no effect.

The real strange part, however, is that if you add two other columns:

    TypeDate: VarType([DateFieldWithNulls])
    TypeDatez: VarType(Nz([DateFieldWithNulls], Date()))

the first returns 7 (DateTime) and 1 (Null) while the other returns 7s only ... no 8s for string!

The workaround is either of these methods - the first corrects the result, the second (from the article) uses a good, old alternative:

    DateNotNull: CDate(Nz([DateFieldWithNulls], Date()))
    DateNotNull: IIf([DateFieldWithNulls] Is Null, Date(),
[DateFieldWithNulls])

/gustav 


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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri May  3 08:00:38 2013
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 03 May 2013 09:00:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Nz trap with dates in queries
In-Reply-To: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9801E7237393@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
References: <006d01ce47db$51fc6b30$f5f54190$@cactus.dk>
	<F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9801E7237393@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <E2EBDA20775B4090A1D20FA5D653F10E@XPS>


 Yes JET does.  Unless a function call contains an argument, JET will only
do the call once at the start of the query.  It won't repeat it for every
row.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 08:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Nz trap with dates in queries

I *think* that when Jet optimizes the query it will figure out that the call
to Date() [or Now()] is implicitly looking for a constant value, and so the
function call only happens once, at the start of execution of the query. Now
if you execute the SQL directly (with CurrentDb.Execute) then that
optimization may not happen.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 4:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Nz trap with dates in queries

Hi William

The latter.

You are right about potential issues using Date() this way. I only used it
here because it for certain will return a VarType of 7.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af William Benson
(VBACreations.Com)
Sendt: 2. maj 2013 21:15
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Nz trap with dates in queries

Is the former, or latter faster?

>>    DateNotNull: CDate(Nz([DateFieldWithNulls], Date()))

>>     DateNotNull: IIf([DateFieldWithNulls] Is Null, Date(),
[DateFieldWithNulls])

Also, wouldn't it be better to assign the Date () to a parameter then use
that parameter in place of Date()? 

Suppose you ran this at 23:59:00 and it is inside a query which takes a long
time to run, wouldn't Date() change for later records?


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 3:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Nz trap with dates in queries

Hi all

I browsed this article:

http://www.fmsinc.com/MicrosoftAccess/query/sort/multiple-dates.htm

and much to my surprise the note about the Nz trap is true.

When used in a query, this expression returns a string:

    DateNotNull: Nz([DateFieldWithNulls], Date())

You can easily see it, because if you apply a date format to the column, it
has no effect.

The real strange part, however, is that if you add two other columns:

    TypeDate: VarType([DateFieldWithNulls])
    TypeDatez: VarType(Nz([DateFieldWithNulls], Date()))

the first returns 7 (DateTime) and 1 (Null) while the other returns 7s only
... no 8s for string!

The workaround is either of these methods - the first corrects the result,
the second (from the article) uses a good, old alternative:

    DateNotNull: CDate(Nz([DateFieldWithNulls], Date()))
    DateNotNull: IIf([DateFieldWithNulls] Is Null, Date(),
[DateFieldWithNulls])

/gustav 


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From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Fri May  3 08:06:11 2013
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 09:06:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Nz trap with dates in queries
In-Reply-To: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9801E7237393@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
References: <006d01ce47db$51fc6b30$f5f54190$@cactus.dk>
	<F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9801E7237393@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9801E7237395@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>

And I just confirmed that the function is only called once.

I created this function

Function myNow() As Date
    Debug.Print "myNow called"
    myNow = Now()
End Function

And then ran this query on a table with 125k rows

SELECT MUR_Data_tbl.[Applicant ID], myNow() AS aDate
FROM MUR_Data_tbl;

And the function was called exactly once.


Then I defined the sub below to open a recordset on that SQL (db.Execute of course is for action queries only), and again the function was called exactly once.

Sub openAQuery()
Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim rs As DAO.Recordset
    Set db = CurrentDb
    Set rs = db.OpenRecordset("SELECT MUR_Data_tbl.[Applicant ID], myNow() AS aDate FROM MUR_Data_tbl;", dbOpenDynaset)
    rs.MoveLast
    Debug.Print rs.RecordCount
    rs.Close
    Set rs = Nothing
    Set db = Nothing  
End Sub

Lastly I modified the query it include the use of NZ on a field that does have nulls....

SELECT MUR_Data_tbl.[Applicant ID], myNow() AS aDate, nz([MedsEnd],myNow()) AS ME, MUR_Data_tbl.MedsEnd
FROM MUR_Data_tbl;

And still the function is called only once per use. Once for the aDate calculation and once for the use in Nz().

So the question of which is faster below is moot I think.

>>    DateNotNull: CDate(Nz([DateFieldWithNulls], Date()))

>>     DateNotNull: IIf([DateFieldWithNulls] Is Null, Date(),
[DateFieldWithNulls])


Lambert
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 8:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Nz trap with dates in queries

I *think* that when Jet optimizes the query it will figure out that the call to Date() [or Now()] is implicitly looking for a constant value, and so the function call only happens once, at the start of execution of the query. Now if you execute the SQL directly (with CurrentDb.Execute) then that optimization may not happen.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 4:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Nz trap with dates in queries

Hi William

The latter.

You are right about potential issues using Date() this way. I only used it here because it for certain will return a VarType of 7.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af William Benson
(VBACreations.Com)
Sendt: 2. maj 2013 21:15
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Nz trap with dates in queries

Is the former, or latter faster?

>>    DateNotNull: CDate(Nz([DateFieldWithNulls], Date()))

>>     DateNotNull: IIf([DateFieldWithNulls] Is Null, Date(),
[DateFieldWithNulls])

Also, wouldn't it be better to assign the Date () to a parameter then use that parameter in place of Date()? 

Suppose you ran this at 23:59:00 and it is inside a query which takes a long time to run, wouldn't Date() change for later records?


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 3:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Nz trap with dates in queries

Hi all

I browsed this article:

http://www.fmsinc.com/MicrosoftAccess/query/sort/multiple-dates.htm

and much to my surprise the note about the Nz trap is true.

When used in a query, this expression returns a string:

    DateNotNull: Nz([DateFieldWithNulls], Date())

You can easily see it, because if you apply a date format to the column, it has no effect.

The real strange part, however, is that if you add two other columns:

    TypeDate: VarType([DateFieldWithNulls])
    TypeDatez: VarType(Nz([DateFieldWithNulls], Date()))

the first returns 7 (DateTime) and 1 (Null) while the other returns 7s only ... no 8s for string!

The workaround is either of these methods - the first corrects the result, the second (from the article) uses a good, old alternative:

    DateNotNull: CDate(Nz([DateFieldWithNulls], Date()))
    DateNotNull: IIf([DateFieldWithNulls] Is Null, Date(),
[DateFieldWithNulls])

/gustav 


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From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Fri May  3 08:07:37 2013
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 09:07:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Nz trap with dates in queries
In-Reply-To: <E2EBDA20775B4090A1D20FA5D653F10E@XPS>
References: <006d01ce47db$51fc6b30$f5f54190$@cactus.dk>
	<F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9801E7237393@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
	<E2EBDA20775B4090A1D20FA5D653F10E@XPS>
Message-ID: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9801E7237396@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>

Right Jim. I knew about the function argument changing the game. In that circumstance Jet cannot assume the argument is the same every time, so it has to call the function.

Lambert
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 9:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Nz trap with dates in queries


 Yes JET does.  Unless a function call contains an argument, JET will only do the call once at the start of the query.  It won't repeat it for every row.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 08:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Nz trap with dates in queries

I *think* that when Jet optimizes the query it will figure out that the call to Date() [or Now()] is implicitly looking for a constant value, and so the function call only happens once, at the start of execution of the query. Now if you execute the SQL directly (with CurrentDb.Execute) then that optimization may not happen.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 4:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Nz trap with dates in queries

Hi William

The latter.

You are right about potential issues using Date() this way. I only used it here because it for certain will return a VarType of 7.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af William Benson
(VBACreations.Com)
Sendt: 2. maj 2013 21:15
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Nz trap with dates in queries

Is the former, or latter faster?

>>    DateNotNull: CDate(Nz([DateFieldWithNulls], Date()))

>>     DateNotNull: IIf([DateFieldWithNulls] Is Null, Date(),
[DateFieldWithNulls])

Also, wouldn't it be better to assign the Date () to a parameter then use that parameter in place of Date()? 

Suppose you ran this at 23:59:00 and it is inside a query which takes a long time to run, wouldn't Date() change for later records?


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 3:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Nz trap with dates in queries

Hi all

I browsed this article:

http://www.fmsinc.com/MicrosoftAccess/query/sort/multiple-dates.htm

and much to my surprise the note about the Nz trap is true.

When used in a query, this expression returns a string:

    DateNotNull: Nz([DateFieldWithNulls], Date())

You can easily see it, because if you apply a date format to the column, it has no effect.

The real strange part, however, is that if you add two other columns:

    TypeDate: VarType([DateFieldWithNulls])
    TypeDatez: VarType(Nz([DateFieldWithNulls], Date()))

the first returns 7 (DateTime) and 1 (Null) while the other returns 7s only ... no 8s for string!

The workaround is either of these methods - the first corrects the result, the second (from the article) uses a good, old alternative:

    DateNotNull: CDate(Nz([DateFieldWithNulls], Date()))
    DateNotNull: IIf([DateFieldWithNulls] Is Null, Date(),
[DateFieldWithNulls])

/gustav 


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From accesspro at cox.net  Fri May  3 15:31:29 2013
From: accesspro at cox.net (Access Pro)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 13:31:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Data to Custom Outlook Fields/Columns
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V5=vQmbYuMrEe6g1m5NcHQyFrgZdQS3HphsWcx0ATDEcg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1383.1360225723.29496.accessd@databaseadvisors.com><00d101ce0633$358a06e0$a09e14a0$@sbor.com><51156221.15810.4371D17@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><000001ce0642$9e0096d0$da01c470$@sbor.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50186F2A7@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><000001ce06df$265a0330$730e0990$@net><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3A9@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><004501ce070f$d727d9a0$85778ce0$@net><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50186F890@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><6C8C7046921F47B5BE5D8854CDE7046E@XPS><3C72BCA829BD4AB8BBAC22C48A390818@7even>
	<CAGuQ9V5=vQmbYuMrEe6g1m5NcHQyFrgZdQS3HphsWcx0ATDEcg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2D500FC3E9A7475098453BF9C01533DF@7even>

Thanks for the response.
No, it is the same whether I link or import. The custom fields I created in
outlook are not available/present in Access.
They are however avail in "view" in Outlook...

Anyone?

Bob

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 9:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export Access Data to Custom Outlook Fields/Columns

Try the other direction as id you were importing from the table in outlook
and see what outlook offers as field names when you link to it and import
from it. Maybe the names will appear different or are aliased.
On Apr 28, 2013 3:16 PM, "Access Pro" <accesspro at cox.net> wrote:

>
> Hello to the list,
>
> I have a need to append data to an attached table in A2010.
> The attached table is an Exchange/Outlook table.
> I am able to do except for the custom fields/columns I have added in 
> Outlook.
> These columns are visible in Outlook. I can add data in Outlook.
> But when I add one of these to my append query, it blows up.
> "The INSERT INTO statement contains the following unknown field name:
> 'Phone
> Cellular Spouse'. Make sure you have typed the name correctly, and try 
> the operation again."
>
>
>
> Tia
>
> Bob Heygood
>
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From jbodin at sbor.com  Fri May  3 20:28:12 2013
From: jbodin at sbor.com (John Bodin)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 01:28:12 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Data to Custom Outlook Fields/Columns
In-Reply-To: <2D500FC3E9A7475098453BF9C01533DF@7even>
References: <mailman.1383.1360225723.29496.accessd@databaseadvisors.com><00d101ce0633$358a06e0$a09e14a0$@sbor.com><51156221.15810.4371D17@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><000001ce0642$9e0096d0$da01c470$@sbor.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50186F2A7@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><000001ce06df$265a0330$730e0990$@net><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B3A9@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><004501ce070f$d727d9a0$85778ce0$@net><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50186F890@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><6C8C7046921F47B5BE5D8854CDE7046E@XPS><3C72BCA829BD4AB8BBAC22C48A390818@7even>
	<CAGuQ9V5=vQmbYuMrEe6g1m5NcHQyFrgZdQS3HphsWcx0ATDEcg@mail.gmail.com>
	<2D500FC3E9A7475098453BF9C01533DF@7even>
Message-ID: <108d64bf7d724b45b5b6821565d2d2e6@BLUPR04MB023.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Bob, take a look at Sue Mosher's OutlookCode site.  Do not know if you'll be able to use built-in functions or write your own VBA code to get the correct syntax (e.g. myItem.UserProperties("Field1") = "new value") to work.  Hopefully this will help you out.

http://www.outlookcode.com/article.aspx?id=38

John

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Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 4:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export Access Data to Custom Outlook Fields/Columns

Thanks for the response.
No, it is the same whether I link or import. The custom fields I created in outlook are not available/present in Access.
They are however avail in "view" in Outlook...

Anyone?

Bob

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 9:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export Access Data to Custom Outlook Fields/Columns

Try the other direction as id you were importing from the table in outlook and see what outlook offers as field names when you link to it and import from it. Maybe the names will appear different or are aliased.
On Apr 28, 2013 3:16 PM, "Access Pro" <accesspro at cox.net> wrote:

>
> Hello to the list,
>
> I have a need to append data to an attached table in A2010.
> The attached table is an Exchange/Outlook table.
> I am able to do except for the custom fields/columns I have added in 
> Outlook.
> These columns are visible in Outlook. I can add data in Outlook.
> But when I add one of these to my append query, it blows up.
> "The INSERT INTO statement contains the following unknown field name:
> 'Phone
> Cellular Spouse'. Make sure you have typed the name correctly, and try 
> the operation again."
>
>
>
> Tia
>
> Bob Heygood
>
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From djkr at msn.com  Sat May  4 11:21:23 2013
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK (John) Robinson)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 17:21:23 +0100
Subject: [AccessD]  test - please ignore
In-Reply-To: <108d64bf7d724b45b5b6821565d2d2e6@BLUPR04MB023.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP191D2ACC93223E906191D38D2BF0@phx.gbl>

... been reconfiguring email files & folders and need to see if they still work.

John


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon May  6 16:55:17 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 14:55:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Click Sound
Message-ID: <27FEC4BF46144A03A1F2ADC840829472@HAL9007>

Dear List:
 
Is it possible to have a click sound when you click a control like a command
button or into a text box?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Mon May  6 17:33:14 2013
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 15:33:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Click Sound
In-Reply-To: <27FEC4BF46144A03A1F2ADC840829472@HAL9007>
References: <27FEC4BF46144A03A1F2ADC840829472@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWYd-t9ZL7BW8kdYpH9OShX6ZpkcdWFq_AYmXfo_ZwLe8Q@mail.gmail.com>

I know I've done it before with a .wav file.

I'm trying to find my sample


On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Dear List:
>
> Is it possible to have a click sound when you click a control like a
> command
> button or into a text box?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/>
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon May  6 17:51:01 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 15:51:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Click Sound
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWYd-t9ZL7BW8kdYpH9OShX6ZpkcdWFq_AYmXfo_ZwLe8Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <27FEC4BF46144A03A1F2ADC840829472@HAL9007>
	<CAMhYZWYd-t9ZL7BW8kdYpH9OShX6ZpkcdWFq_AYmXfo_ZwLe8Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B2C81003A2C341B493C76F52F7C02933@HAL9007>

Years ago, in the previous century, I used PLaySound which needed an API
IIRC.  But then it stopped working.

R
 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: May 06, 2013 3:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

I know I've done it before with a .wav file.

I'm trying to find my sample


On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Dear List:
>
> Is it possible to have a click sound when you click a control like a 
> command button or into a text box?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com 
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon May  6 17:59:04 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 15:59:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Click Sound
In-Reply-To: <27FEC4BF46144A03A1F2ADC840829472@HAL9007>
References: <27FEC4BF46144A03A1F2ADC840829472@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <80022B03CB554583AE6F4643C1046F93@server2003>

Hi Rocky:

Did you see this link?:

http://allenbrowne.com/func-04.html

or more modern: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/95647

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 2:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Click Sound

Dear List:
 
Is it possible to have a click sound when you click a control like a command
button or into a text box?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon May  6 19:29:43 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 17:29:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Click Sound
In-Reply-To: <80022B03CB554583AE6F4643C1046F93@server2003>
References: <27FEC4BF46144A03A1F2ADC840829472@HAL9007>
	<80022B03CB554583AE6F4643C1046F93@server2003>
Message-ID: <C2C673552E804B97B58F359DA17515DE@HAL9007>

That's the way I used to do it.  Problem is now it has to start a player
like VLC every time you play a file.  In the old, old days there was a
little clicker in the comp and you could make it click.  

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: May 06, 2013 3:59 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Hi Rocky:

Did you see this link?:

http://allenbrowne.com/func-04.html

or more modern: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/95647

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 2:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Click Sound

Dear List:
 
Is it possible to have a click sound when you click a control like a command
button or into a text box?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From john at winhaven.net  Mon May  6 20:14:44 2013
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 20:14:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Click Sound
In-Reply-To: <C2C673552E804B97B58F359DA17515DE@HAL9007>
References: <27FEC4BF46144A03A1F2ADC840829472@HAL9007>	<80022B03CB554583AE6F4643C1046F93@server2003>
	<C2C673552E804B97B58F359DA17515DE@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <02a301ce4ac0$42a10c30$c7e32490$@winhaven.net>

If nothing else works out maybe you could use Beep.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 7:30 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

That's the way I used to do it.  Problem is now it has to start a player
like VLC every time you play a file.  In the old, old days there was a
little clicker in the comp and you could make it click.  

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: May 06, 2013 3:59 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Hi Rocky:

Did you see this link?:

http://allenbrowne.com/func-04.html

or more modern: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/95647

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 2:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Click Sound

Dear List:
 
Is it possible to have a click sound when you click a control like a command
button or into a text box?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon May  6 20:32:06 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 18:32:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Click Sound
In-Reply-To: <02a301ce4ac0$42a10c30$c7e32490$@winhaven.net>
References: <27FEC4BF46144A03A1F2ADC840829472@HAL9007>	<80022B03CB554583AE6F4643C1046F93@server2003><C2C673552E804B97B58F359DA17515DE@HAL9007>
	<02a301ce4ac0$42a10c30$c7e32490$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <AD75EAD14A974D6CABFD939BB6A15EAA@HAL9007>

Beep actually Dings.  I think it's a Windows setting, though.  So I suppose
it could be changed to click.  The user wants click. Doesn't want the users
to have to change Windows settings. (sigh..users...gotta love 'em)

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: May 06, 2013 6:15 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

If nothing else works out maybe you could use Beep.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 7:30 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

That's the way I used to do it.  Problem is now it has to start a player
like VLC every time you play a file.  In the old, old days there was a
little clicker in the comp and you could make it click.  

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: May 06, 2013 3:59 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Hi Rocky:

Did you see this link?:

http://allenbrowne.com/func-04.html

or more modern: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/95647

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 2:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Click Sound

Dear List:
 
Is it possible to have a click sound when you click a control like a command
button or into a text box?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Mon May  6 20:59:38 2013
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 01:59:38 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Click Sound
In-Reply-To: <AD75EAD14A974D6CABFD939BB6A15EAA@HAL9007>
References: <27FEC4BF46144A03A1F2ADC840829472@HAL9007>
	<80022B03CB554583AE6F4643C1046F93@server2003><C2C673552E804B97B58F359DA17515DE@HAL9007>
	<02a301ce4ac0$42a10c30$c7e32490$@winhaven.net>
	<AD75EAD14A974D6CABFD939BB6A15EAA@HAL9007>
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Heh.. I am glad you mentioned the why bit.  I was wondering why on earth you would want a darn "Click" sound anyway.  A bit like leaving the 'beep' on your mobile phone keypad.  Surely that would annoy the crap out of you in less than 5 mins of use.

First thing I do on any of my tech toys is minimise the clicks, beep and pings.  But maybe that is just me...

Mind you, anyone who has sat next to a person on some sort of public transport (Plane, Train, Bus) whilst they 'beep, beep, beep' out a long text message character at a time...  well, enough said I think...



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, 7 May 2013 11:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Beep actually Dings.  I think it's a Windows setting, though.  So I suppose it could be changed to click.  The user wants click. Doesn't want the users to have to change Windows settings. (sigh..users...gotta love 'em)

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: May 06, 2013 6:15 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

If nothing else works out maybe you could use Beep.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 7:30 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

That's the way I used to do it.  Problem is now it has to start a player like VLC every time you play a file.  In the old, old days there was a little clicker in the comp and you could make it click.  

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: May 06, 2013 3:59 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Hi Rocky:

Did you see this link?:

http://allenbrowne.com/func-04.html

or more modern: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/95647

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 2:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Click Sound

Dear List:
 
Is it possible to have a click sound when you click a control like a command button or into a text box?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon May  6 22:06:59 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 20:06:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Click Sound
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B54B87F0AE@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <27FEC4BF46144A03A1F2ADC840829472@HAL9007><80022B03CB554583AE6F4643C1046F93@server2003><C2C673552E804B97B58F359DA17515DE@HAL9007><02a301ce4ac0$42a10c30$c7e32490$@winhaven.net><AD75EAD14A974D6CABFD939BB6A15EAA@HAL9007>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B54B87F0AE@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <D67943256F6843ADB6BE28778DEA69EE@HAL9007>

"anyone who has sat next to a person on some sort of public transport"

Truly the case for gun control...

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: May 06, 2013 7:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Heh.. I am glad you mentioned the why bit.  I was wondering why on earth you
would want a darn "Click" sound anyway.  A bit like leaving the 'beep' on
your mobile phone keypad.  Surely that would annoy the crap out of you in
less than 5 mins of use.

First thing I do on any of my tech toys is minimise the clicks, beep and
pings.  But maybe that is just me...

Mind you, anyone who has sat next to a person on some sort of public
transport (Plane, Train, Bus) whilst they 'beep, beep, beep' out a long text
message character at a time...  well, enough said I think...



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, 7 May 2013 11:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Beep actually Dings.  I think it's a Windows setting, though.  So I suppose
it could be changed to click.  The user wants click. Doesn't want the users
to have to change Windows settings. (sigh..users...gotta love 'em)

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: May 06, 2013 6:15 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

If nothing else works out maybe you could use Beep.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 7:30 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

That's the way I used to do it.  Problem is now it has to start a player
like VLC every time you play a file.  In the old, old days there was a
little clicker in the comp and you could make it click.  

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: May 06, 2013 3:59 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Hi Rocky:

Did you see this link?:

http://allenbrowne.com/func-04.html

or more modern: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/95647

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 2:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Click Sound

Dear List:
 
Is it possible to have a click sound when you click a control like a command
button or into a text box?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Mon May  6 22:59:49 2013
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 20:59:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Click Sound
In-Reply-To: <D67943256F6843ADB6BE28778DEA69EE@HAL9007>
References: <27FEC4BF46144A03A1F2ADC840829472@HAL9007><80022B03CB554583AE6F4643C1046F93@server2003><C2C673552E804B97B58F359DA17515DE@HAL9007><02a301ce4ac0$42a10c30$c7e32490$@winhaven.net><AD75EAD14A974D6CABFD939BB6A15EAA@HAL9007>	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B54B87F0AE@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<D67943256F6843ADB6BE28778DEA69EE@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <012501ce4ad7$51f8b180$f5ea1480$@cox.net>

I believe you meant no gun control.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 8:07 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

"anyone who has sat next to a person on some sort of public transport"

Truly the case for gun control...

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: May 06, 2013 7:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Heh.. I am glad you mentioned the why bit.  I was wondering why on earth you
would want a darn "Click" sound anyway.  A bit like leaving the 'beep' on
your mobile phone keypad.  Surely that would annoy the crap out of you in
less than 5 mins of use.

First thing I do on any of my tech toys is minimise the clicks, beep and
pings.  But maybe that is just me...

Mind you, anyone who has sat next to a person on some sort of public
transport (Plane, Train, Bus) whilst they 'beep, beep, beep' out a long text
message character at a time...  well, enough said I think...



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, 7 May 2013 11:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Beep actually Dings.  I think it's a Windows setting, though.  So I suppose
it could be changed to click.  The user wants click. Doesn't want the users
to have to change Windows settings. (sigh..users...gotta love 'em)

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: May 06, 2013 6:15 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

If nothing else works out maybe you could use Beep.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 7:30 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

That's the way I used to do it.  Problem is now it has to start a player
like VLC every time you play a file.  In the old, old days there was a
little clicker in the comp and you could make it click.  

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: May 06, 2013 3:59 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Hi Rocky:

Did you see this link?:

http://allenbrowne.com/func-04.html

or more modern: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/95647

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 2:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Click Sound

Dear List:
 
Is it possible to have a click sound when you click a control like a command
button or into a text box?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon May  6 23:07:30 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 21:07:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Click Sound
In-Reply-To: <012501ce4ad7$51f8b180$f5ea1480$@cox.net>
References: <27FEC4BF46144A03A1F2ADC840829472@HAL9007><80022B03CB554583AE6F4643C1046F93@server2003><C2C673552E804B97B58F359DA17515DE@HAL9007><02a301ce4ac0$42a10c30$c7e32490$@winhaven.net><AD75EAD14A974D6CABFD939BB6A15EAA@HAL9007>	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B54B87F0AE@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><D67943256F6843ADB6BE28778DEA69EE@HAL9007>
	<012501ce4ad7$51f8b180$f5ea1480$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <0D38FEDF9D174E96B8DD54E872C18EFC@HAL9007>

You're much more pragmatic than I am.  )

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: May 06, 2013 9:00 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

I believe you meant no gun control.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 8:07 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

"anyone who has sat next to a person on some sort of public transport"

Truly the case for gun control...

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: May 06, 2013 7:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Heh.. I am glad you mentioned the why bit.  I was wondering why on earth you
would want a darn "Click" sound anyway.  A bit like leaving the 'beep' on
your mobile phone keypad.  Surely that would annoy the crap out of you in
less than 5 mins of use.

First thing I do on any of my tech toys is minimise the clicks, beep and
pings.  But maybe that is just me...

Mind you, anyone who has sat next to a person on some sort of public
transport (Plane, Train, Bus) whilst they 'beep, beep, beep' out a long text
message character at a time...  well, enough said I think...



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, 7 May 2013 11:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Beep actually Dings.  I think it's a Windows setting, though.  So I suppose
it could be changed to click.  The user wants click. Doesn't want the users
to have to change Windows settings. (sigh..users...gotta love 'em)

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: May 06, 2013 6:15 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

If nothing else works out maybe you could use Beep.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 7:30 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

That's the way I used to do it.  Problem is now it has to start a player
like VLC every time you play a file.  In the old, old days there was a
little clicker in the comp and you could make it click.  

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: May 06, 2013 3:59 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Hi Rocky:

Did you see this link?:

http://allenbrowne.com/func-04.html

or more modern: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/95647

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 2:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Click Sound

Dear List:
 
Is it possible to have a click sound when you click a control like a command
button or into a text box?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon May  6 23:09:00 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 07 May 2013 14:09:00 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Click Sound
In-Reply-To: <012501ce4ad7$51f8b180$f5ea1480$@cox.net>
References: <27FEC4BF46144A03A1F2ADC840829472@HAL9007>,
	<D67943256F6843ADB6BE28778DEA69EE@HAL9007>,
	<012501ce4ad7$51f8b180$f5ea1480$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <51887E5C.29950.3F0DB0D3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Nope, gun control - as in "a firm grip with both hands, focus on the foresight and gently 
squeeze the trigger".  :-)


On 6 May 2013 at 20:59, Doug Murphy wrote:

> I believe you meant no gun control.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 8:07 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound
> 
> "anyone who has sat next to a person on some sort of public transport"
> 
> Truly the case for gun control...
> 
> R
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
> Sent: May 06, 2013 7:00 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound
> 
> Heh.. I am glad you mentioned the why bit.  I was wondering why on earth you
> would want a darn "Click" sound anyway.  A bit like leaving the 'beep' on
> your mobile phone keypad.  Surely that would annoy the crap out of you in
> less than 5 mins of use.
> 
> First thing I do on any of my tech toys is minimise the clicks, beep and
> pings.  But maybe that is just me...
> 
> Mind you, anyone who has sat next to a person on some sort of public
> transport (Plane, Train, Bus) whilst they 'beep, beep, beep' out a long text
> message character at a time...  well, enough said I think...
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Tuesday, 7 May 2013 11:32 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound
> 
> Beep actually Dings.  I think it's a Windows setting, though.  So I suppose
> it could be changed to click.  The user wants click. Doesn't want the users
> to have to change Windows settings. (sigh..users...gotta love 'em)
> 
> R
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: May 06, 2013 6:15 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound
> 
> If nothing else works out maybe you could use Beep.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 7:30 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound
> 
> That's the way I used to do it.  Problem is now it has to start a player
> like VLC every time you play a file.  In the old, old days there was a
> little clicker in the comp and you could make it click.  
> 
> R
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: May 06, 2013 3:59 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound
> 
> Hi Rocky:
> 
> Did you see this link?:
> 
> http://allenbrowne.com/func-04.html
> 
> or more modern: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/95647
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 2:55 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Click Sound
> 
> Dear List:
>  
> Is it possible to have a click sound when you click a control like a command
> button or into a text box?
>  
> MTIA
>  
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon May  6 23:11:08 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 21:11:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Click Sound
In-Reply-To: <D67943256F6843ADB6BE28778DEA69EE@HAL9007>
References: <27FEC4BF46144A03A1F2ADC840829472@HAL9007><80022B03CB554583AE6F4643C1046F93@server2003><C2C673552E804B97B58F359DA17515DE@HAL9007><02a301ce4ac0$42a10c30$c7e32490$@winhaven.net><AD75EAD14A974D6CABFD939BB6A15EAA@HAL9007><56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B54B87F0AE@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<D67943256F6843ADB6BE28778DEA69EE@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CBA1366E7A8A490F86677BDF0D45A52B@server2003>

Hi Rocky:

I guess you have checked out this old goodie?

http://access.mvps.org/access/api/api0011.htm

The ony other way I know of making a sound is through a browser interface.
Example:

<audio id="bark" preload="auto" autobuffer>
	<source src="audio/dogbark.mp3" type="audio/mp3">
	<source src="audio/dogbark.ogg" type="audio/ogg">
	<!-- now include flash fall back -->
</audio>

I understand that Access can dynamically attach web sound and audio sources
but I have not played with those features. It is most likely version
dependant.

Can you used a hyperlink from Access to connect to and play a wave/sound
file? (Have not tried this yet.)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 8:07 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

"anyone who has sat next to a person on some sort of public transport"

Truly the case for gun control...

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: May 06, 2013 7:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Heh.. I am glad you mentioned the why bit.  I was wondering why on earth you
would want a darn "Click" sound anyway.  A bit like leaving the 'beep' on
your mobile phone keypad.  Surely that would annoy the crap out of you in
less than 5 mins of use.

First thing I do on any of my tech toys is minimise the clicks, beep and
pings.  But maybe that is just me...

Mind you, anyone who has sat next to a person on some sort of public
transport (Plane, Train, Bus) whilst they 'beep, beep, beep' out a long text
message character at a time...  well, enough said I think...



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, 7 May 2013 11:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Beep actually Dings.  I think it's a Windows setting, though.  So I suppose
it could be changed to click.  The user wants click. Doesn't want the users
to have to change Windows settings. (sigh..users...gotta love 'em)

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: May 06, 2013 6:15 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

If nothing else works out maybe you could use Beep.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 7:30 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

That's the way I used to do it.  Problem is now it has to start a player
like VLC every time you play a file.  In the old, old days there was a
little clicker in the comp and you could make it click.  

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: May 06, 2013 3:59 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Hi Rocky:

Did you see this link?:

http://allenbrowne.com/func-04.html

or more modern: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/95647

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 2:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Click Sound

Dear List:
 
Is it possible to have a click sound when you click a control like a command
button or into a text box?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon May  6 23:35:15 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 21:35:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Click Sound
In-Reply-To: <CBA1366E7A8A490F86677BDF0D45A52B@server2003>
References: <27FEC4BF46144A03A1F2ADC840829472@HAL9007><80022B03CB554583AE6F4643C1046F93@server2003><C2C673552E804B97B58F359DA17515DE@HAL9007><02a301ce4ac0$42a10c30$c7e32490$@winhaven.net><AD75EAD14A974D6CABFD939BB6A15EAA@HAL9007><56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B54B87F0AE@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><D67943256F6843ADB6BE28778DEA69EE@HAL9007>
	<CBA1366E7A8A490F86677BDF0D45A52B@server2003>
Message-ID: <2B954DE419C0424BB3400A294A0CF914@HAL9007>

Client wants it because he's seriously considering turning the system I
wrote for him to manage his business into a product.  I gave him my book and
said if you read this and then lie down and the feeling doesn't pass then
we'll talk.

So we've been talking and he's ready to start down that path. Thinks he can
sell 50 of them in a year and then find someone to acquire it and do another
project.  Lot of guys have that idea - this guy is one of the few that think
actually could.

And one of the user friendly things he wanted was that click sound when you
click a command button.  So if I do it, it has to be version independent,
and not be triggering a player to play the sound - has to be immediate so
there's a visual/aural connection. I think it's one of those 'features' that
may get put on the Version 2 list.

R

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: May 06, 2013 9:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Hi Rocky:

I guess you have checked out this old goodie?

http://access.mvps.org/access/api/api0011.htm

The ony other way I know of making a sound is through a browser interface.
Example:

<audio id="bark" preload="auto" autobuffer>
	<source src="audio/dogbark.mp3" type="audio/mp3">
	<source src="audio/dogbark.ogg" type="audio/ogg">
	<!-- now include flash fall back -->
</audio>

I understand that Access can dynamically attach web sound and audio sources
but I have not played with those features. It is most likely version
dependant.

Can you used a hyperlink from Access to connect to and play a wave/sound
file? (Have not tried this yet.)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 8:07 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

"anyone who has sat next to a person on some sort of public transport"

Truly the case for gun control...

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: May 06, 2013 7:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Heh.. I am glad you mentioned the why bit.  I was wondering why on earth you
would want a darn "Click" sound anyway.  A bit like leaving the 'beep' on
your mobile phone keypad.  Surely that would annoy the crap out of you in
less than 5 mins of use.

First thing I do on any of my tech toys is minimise the clicks, beep and
pings.  But maybe that is just me...

Mind you, anyone who has sat next to a person on some sort of public
transport (Plane, Train, Bus) whilst they 'beep, beep, beep' out a long text
message character at a time...  well, enough said I think...



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, 7 May 2013 11:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Beep actually Dings.  I think it's a Windows setting, though.  So I suppose
it could be changed to click.  The user wants click. Doesn't want the users
to have to change Windows settings. (sigh..users...gotta love 'em)

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: May 06, 2013 6:15 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

If nothing else works out maybe you could use Beep.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 7:30 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

That's the way I used to do it.  Problem is now it has to start a player
like VLC every time you play a file.  In the old, old days there was a
little clicker in the comp and you could make it click.  

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: May 06, 2013 3:59 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Hi Rocky:

Did you see this link?:

http://allenbrowne.com/func-04.html

or more modern: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/95647

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 2:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Click Sound

Dear List:
 
Is it possible to have a click sound when you click a control like a command
button or into a text box?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue May  7 01:03:15 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 07 May 2013 16:03:15 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Click Sound
In-Reply-To: <2B954DE419C0424BB3400A294A0CF914@HAL9007>
References: <27FEC4BF46144A03A1F2ADC840829472@HAL9007>,
	<CBA1366E7A8A490F86677BDF0D45A52B@server2003>,
	<2B954DE419C0424BB3400A294A0CF914@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <51889923.23800.3F764CF4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Like they say, "There's an API for that".


Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Declare Function apisndPlaySound Lib "winmm" Alias "sndPlaySoundA" _
    (ByVal filename As String, ByVal SND_ASYNC As Long) As Long
    
Const SND_SYNC = 0
Const SND_ASYNC = 1

Function Click()
  Dim retval As Long
  retval = apisndPlaySound(CurrentProject.Path & "\Click.wav", SND_ASYNC)
End Function

Up to you to find a suitable "Click.wav"


On 6 May 2013 at 21:35, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> Client wants it because he's seriously considering turning the system I
> wrote for him to manage his business into a product.  I gave him my book and
> said if you read this and then lie down and the feeling doesn't pass then
> we'll talk.
> 
> So we've been talking and he's ready to start down that path. Thinks he can
> sell 50 of them in a year and then find someone to acquire it and do another
> project.  Lot of guys have that idea - this guy is one of the few that think
> actually could.
> 
> And one of the user friendly things he wanted was that click sound when you
> click a command button.  So if I do it, it has to be version independent,
> and not be triggering a player to play the sound - has to be immediate so
> there's a visual/aural connection. I think it's one of those 'features' that
> may get put on the Version 2 list.
> 
> R
> 


From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue May  7 02:36:36 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 09:36:36 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Click Sound
Message-ID: <008201ce4af5$9aecb490$d0c61db0$@cactus.dk>

Hi Rocky

Convince him not to do this. It is against all GUI conventions. It will
drive users mad and their first question will be how to turn it off.

/gustav


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Sendt: 7. maj 2013 06:35
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Client wants it because he's seriously considering turning the system I
wrote for him to manage his business into a product.  I gave him my book and
said if you read this and then lie down and the feeling doesn't pass then
we'll talk.

So we've been talking and he's ready to start down that path. Thinks he can
sell 50 of them in a year and then find someone to acquire it and do another
project.  Lot of guys have that idea - this guy is one of the few that think
actually could.

And one of the user friendly things he wanted was that click sound when you
click a command button.  So if I do it, it has to be version independent,
and not be triggering a player to play the sound - has to be immediate so
there's a visual/aural connection. I think it's one of those 'features' that
may get put on the Version 2 list.

R 



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue May  7 02:51:59 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 07 May 2013 17:51:59 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Click Sound
In-Reply-To: <008201ce4af5$9aecb490$d0c61db0$@cactus.dk>
References: <008201ce4af5$9aecb490$d0c61db0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <5188B29F.15742.3FD9D73B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Easy enough to make it an option with a flag stored in a system table and loaded into a global 
or static at startup.

-- 
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On 7 May 2013 at 9:36, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi Rocky
> 
> Convince him not to do this. It is against all GUI conventions. It will
> drive users mad and their first question will be how to turn it off.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
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> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Rocky Smolin
> Sendt: 7. maj 2013 06:35
> Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound
> 
> Client wants it because he's seriously considering turning the system I
> wrote for him to manage his business into a product.  I gave him my book and
> said if you read this and then lie down and the feeling doesn't pass then
> we'll talk.
> 
> So we've been talking and he's ready to start down that path. Thinks he can
> sell 50 of them in a year and then find someone to acquire it and do another
> project.  Lot of guys have that idea - this guy is one of the few that think
> actually could.
> 
> And one of the user friendly things he wanted was that click sound when you
> click a command button.  So if I do it, it has to be version independent,
> and not be triggering a player to play the sound - has to be immediate so
> there's a visual/aural connection. I think it's one of those 'features' that
> may get put on the Version 2 list.
> 
> R 
> 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue May  7 08:11:41 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 06:11:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Click Sound
In-Reply-To: <008201ce4af5$9aecb490$d0c61db0$@cactus.dk>
References: <008201ce4af5$9aecb490$d0c61db0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <9FAC2B4A16514637A05A880DEEB8DB3B@HAL9007>

I think that?s the ideal solution. :)

R 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: May 07, 2013 12:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Hi Rocky

Convince him not to do this. It is against all GUI conventions. It will
drive users mad and their first question will be how to turn it off.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Rocky Smolin
Sendt: 7. maj 2013 06:35
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Client wants it because he's seriously considering turning the system I
wrote for him to manage his business into a product.  I gave him my book and
said if you read this and then lie down and the feeling doesn't pass then
we'll talk.

So we've been talking and he's ready to start down that path. Thinks he can
sell 50 of them in a year and then find someone to acquire it and do another
project.  Lot of guys have that idea - this guy is one of the few that think
actually could.

And one of the user friendly things he wanted was that click sound when you
click a command button.  So if I do it, it has to be version independent,
and not be triggering a player to play the sound - has to be immediate so
there's a visual/aural connection. I think it's one of those 'features' that
may get put on the Version 2 list.

R 


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue May  7 09:23:02 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 07:23:02 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Click Sound
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	<2B954DE419C0424BB3400A294A0CF914@HAL9007>
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Hi Rocky:

I have to agree with Gustav in this. Other that to watch streaming video or
build in video conferencing there is no reason to add sound.

If this is your client's first "product" he should be taking your lead in
this.

On another track: The ultimate product would of course be web based. Whether
that is just run within an office, on a single machine or on the web would
be the choice of his customers but it does open up the possibility to be a
cross-platform, multiple hardware (PC/tablet/Smartphone etc) solution and
one not dependant on the whims of a single OS provider, on a now fading
environment. It would also manage the issues of product distribution,
maintenance, reliability, scalability, depreciation and limited
functionality. 

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 9:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Client wants it because he's seriously considering turning the system I
wrote for him to manage his business into a product.  I gave him my book and
said if you read this and then lie down and the feeling doesn't pass then
we'll talk.

So we've been talking and he's ready to start down that path. Thinks he can
sell 50 of them in a year and then find someone to acquire it and do another
project.  Lot of guys have that idea - this guy is one of the few that think
actually could.

And one of the user friendly things he wanted was that click sound when you
click a command button.  So if I do it, it has to be version independent,
and not be triggering a player to play the sound - has to be immediate so
there's a visual/aural connection. I think it's one of those 'features' that
may get put on the Version 2 list.

R

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: May 06, 2013 9:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Hi Rocky:

I guess you have checked out this old goodie?

http://access.mvps.org/access/api/api0011.htm

The ony other way I know of making a sound is through a browser interface.
Example:

<audio id="bark" preload="auto" autobuffer>
	<source src="audio/dogbark.mp3" type="audio/mp3">
	<source src="audio/dogbark.ogg" type="audio/ogg">
	<!-- now include flash fall back -->
</audio>

I understand that Access can dynamically attach web sound and audio sources
but I have not played with those features. It is most likely version
dependant.

Can you used a hyperlink from Access to connect to and play a wave/sound
file? (Have not tried this yet.)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 8:07 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

"anyone who has sat next to a person on some sort of public transport"

Truly the case for gun control...

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: May 06, 2013 7:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Heh.. I am glad you mentioned the why bit.  I was wondering why on earth you
would want a darn "Click" sound anyway.  A bit like leaving the 'beep' on
your mobile phone keypad.  Surely that would annoy the crap out of you in
less than 5 mins of use.

First thing I do on any of my tech toys is minimise the clicks, beep and
pings.  But maybe that is just me...

Mind you, anyone who has sat next to a person on some sort of public
transport (Plane, Train, Bus) whilst they 'beep, beep, beep' out a long text
message character at a time...  well, enough said I think...



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, 7 May 2013 11:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Beep actually Dings.  I think it's a Windows setting, though.  So I suppose
it could be changed to click.  The user wants click. Doesn't want the users
to have to change Windows settings. (sigh..users...gotta love 'em)

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: May 06, 2013 6:15 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

If nothing else works out maybe you could use Beep.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 7:30 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

That's the way I used to do it.  Problem is now it has to start a player
like VLC every time you play a file.  In the old, old days there was a
little clicker in the comp and you could make it click.  

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: May 06, 2013 3:59 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Hi Rocky:

Did you see this link?:

http://allenbrowne.com/func-04.html

or more modern: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/95647

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 2:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Click Sound

Dear List:
 
Is it possible to have a click sound when you click a control like a command
button or into a text box?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue May  7 10:34:48 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 08:34:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Click Sound
In-Reply-To: <5A8C9CF8CB0D469ABEECE5F51C22964E@server2003>
References: <27FEC4BF46144A03A1F2ADC840829472@HAL9007><80022B03CB554583AE6F4643C1046F93@server2003><C2C673552E804B97B58F359DA17515DE@HAL9007><02a301ce4ac0$42a10c30$c7e32490$@winhaven.net><AD75EAD14A974D6CABFD939BB6A15EAA@HAL9007><56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B54B87F0AE@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><D67943256F6843ADB6BE28778DEA69EE@HAL9007><CBA1366E7A8A490F86677BDF0D45A52B@server2003><2B954DE419C0424BB3400A294A0CF914@HAL9007>
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His strategy is to sell 50, and then find someone to acquire it.  He has a
contact already set up for that exit strategy.  The acquirer would then
convert it to a web platform if they wanted to.  He just needs a 'proof of
concept' and acceptance by a significant number of users in the market.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: May 07, 2013 7:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Hi Rocky:

I have to agree with Gustav in this. Other that to watch streaming video or
build in video conferencing there is no reason to add sound.

If this is your client's first "product" he should be taking your lead in
this.

On another track: The ultimate product would of course be web based. Whether
that is just run within an office, on a single machine or on the web would
be the choice of his customers but it does open up the possibility to be a
cross-platform, multiple hardware (PC/tablet/Smartphone etc) solution and
one not dependant on the whims of a single OS provider, on a now fading
environment. It would also manage the issues of product distribution,
maintenance, reliability, scalability, depreciation and limited
functionality. 

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 9:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Client wants it because he's seriously considering turning the system I
wrote for him to manage his business into a product.  I gave him my book and
said if you read this and then lie down and the feeling doesn't pass then
we'll talk.

So we've been talking and he's ready to start down that path. Thinks he can
sell 50 of them in a year and then find someone to acquire it and do another
project.  Lot of guys have that idea - this guy is one of the few that think
actually could.

And one of the user friendly things he wanted was that click sound when you
click a command button.  So if I do it, it has to be version independent,
and not be triggering a player to play the sound - has to be immediate so
there's a visual/aural connection. I think it's one of those 'features' that
may get put on the Version 2 list.

R

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: May 06, 2013 9:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Hi Rocky:

I guess you have checked out this old goodie?

http://access.mvps.org/access/api/api0011.htm

The ony other way I know of making a sound is through a browser interface.
Example:

<audio id="bark" preload="auto" autobuffer>
	<source src="audio/dogbark.mp3" type="audio/mp3">
	<source src="audio/dogbark.ogg" type="audio/ogg">
	<!-- now include flash fall back -->
</audio>

I understand that Access can dynamically attach web sound and audio sources
but I have not played with those features. It is most likely version
dependant.

Can you used a hyperlink from Access to connect to and play a wave/sound
file? (Have not tried this yet.)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 8:07 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

"anyone who has sat next to a person on some sort of public transport"

Truly the case for gun control...

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: May 06, 2013 7:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Heh.. I am glad you mentioned the why bit.  I was wondering why on earth you
would want a darn "Click" sound anyway.  A bit like leaving the 'beep' on
your mobile phone keypad.  Surely that would annoy the crap out of you in
less than 5 mins of use.

First thing I do on any of my tech toys is minimise the clicks, beep and
pings.  But maybe that is just me...

Mind you, anyone who has sat next to a person on some sort of public
transport (Plane, Train, Bus) whilst they 'beep, beep, beep' out a long text
message character at a time...  well, enough said I think...



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, 7 May 2013 11:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Beep actually Dings.  I think it's a Windows setting, though.  So I suppose
it could be changed to click.  The user wants click. Doesn't want the users
to have to change Windows settings. (sigh..users...gotta love 'em)

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: May 06, 2013 6:15 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

If nothing else works out maybe you could use Beep.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 7:30 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

That's the way I used to do it.  Problem is now it has to start a player
like VLC every time you play a file.  In the old, old days there was a
little clicker in the comp and you could make it click.  

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: May 06, 2013 3:59 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Hi Rocky:

Did you see this link?:

http://allenbrowne.com/func-04.html

or more modern: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/95647

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 2:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Click Sound

Dear List:
 
Is it possible to have a click sound when you click a control like a command
button or into a text box?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue May  7 11:41:22 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 09:41:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Click Sound
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Hi Rocky:

Interesting...

It is not his strategy but his goal to sell 50 units. He will have to be an
excellent marketer to do that. So the current purchaser, of your system is
trying to make a quick few bucks and then get to hell out. I would wish him
well.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 8:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

His strategy is to sell 50, and then find someone to acquire it.  He has a
contact already set up for that exit strategy.  The acquirer would then
convert it to a web platform if they wanted to.  He just needs a 'proof of
concept' and acceptance by a significant number of users in the market.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: May 07, 2013 7:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Hi Rocky:

I have to agree with Gustav in this. Other that to watch streaming video or
build in video conferencing there is no reason to add sound.

If this is your client's first "product" he should be taking your lead in
this.

On another track: The ultimate product would of course be web based. Whether
that is just run within an office, on a single machine or on the web would
be the choice of his customers but it does open up the possibility to be a
cross-platform, multiple hardware (PC/tablet/Smartphone etc) solution and
one not dependant on the whims of a single OS provider, on a now fading
environment. It would also manage the issues of product distribution,
maintenance, reliability, scalability, depreciation and limited
functionality. 

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 9:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Client wants it because he's seriously considering turning the system I
wrote for him to manage his business into a product.  I gave him my book and
said if you read this and then lie down and the feeling doesn't pass then
we'll talk.

So we've been talking and he's ready to start down that path. Thinks he can
sell 50 of them in a year and then find someone to acquire it and do another
project.  Lot of guys have that idea - this guy is one of the few that think
actually could.

And one of the user friendly things he wanted was that click sound when you
click a command button.  So if I do it, it has to be version independent,
and not be triggering a player to play the sound - has to be immediate so
there's a visual/aural connection. I think it's one of those 'features' that
may get put on the Version 2 list.

R

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: May 06, 2013 9:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Hi Rocky:

I guess you have checked out this old goodie?

http://access.mvps.org/access/api/api0011.htm

The ony other way I know of making a sound is through a browser interface.
Example:

<audio id="bark" preload="auto" autobuffer>
	<source src="audio/dogbark.mp3" type="audio/mp3">
	<source src="audio/dogbark.ogg" type="audio/ogg">
	<!-- now include flash fall back -->
</audio>

I understand that Access can dynamically attach web sound and audio sources
but I have not played with those features. It is most likely version
dependant.

Can you used a hyperlink from Access to connect to and play a wave/sound
file? (Have not tried this yet.)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 8:07 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

"anyone who has sat next to a person on some sort of public transport"

Truly the case for gun control...

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: May 06, 2013 7:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Heh.. I am glad you mentioned the why bit.  I was wondering why on earth you
would want a darn "Click" sound anyway.  A bit like leaving the 'beep' on
your mobile phone keypad.  Surely that would annoy the crap out of you in
less than 5 mins of use.

First thing I do on any of my tech toys is minimise the clicks, beep and
pings.  But maybe that is just me...

Mind you, anyone who has sat next to a person on some sort of public
transport (Plane, Train, Bus) whilst they 'beep, beep, beep' out a long text
message character at a time...  well, enough said I think...



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, 7 May 2013 11:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Beep actually Dings.  I think it's a Windows setting, though.  So I suppose
it could be changed to click.  The user wants click. Doesn't want the users
to have to change Windows settings. (sigh..users...gotta love 'em)

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: May 06, 2013 6:15 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

If nothing else works out maybe you could use Beep.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 7:30 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

That's the way I used to do it.  Problem is now it has to start a player
like VLC every time you play a file.  In the old, old days there was a
little clicker in the comp and you could make it click.  

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: May 06, 2013 3:59 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Hi Rocky:

Did you see this link?:

http://allenbrowne.com/func-04.html

or more modern: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/95647

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 2:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Click Sound

Dear List:
 
Is it possible to have a click sound when you click a control like a command
button or into a text box?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue May  7 11:58:21 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 09:58:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Click Sound
In-Reply-To: <998383250DE9424DA92C8A21F54B1D99@server2003>
References: <27FEC4BF46144A03A1F2ADC840829472@HAL9007><80022B03CB554583AE6F4643C1046F93@server2003><C2C673552E804B97B58F359DA17515DE@HAL9007><02a301ce4ac0$42a10c30$c7e32490$@winhaven.net><AD75EAD14A974D6CABFD939BB6A15EAA@HAL9007><56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B54B87F0AE@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><D67943256F6843ADB6BE28778DEA69EE@HAL9007><CBA1366E7A8A490F86677BDF0D45A52B@server2003><2B954DE419C0424BB3400A294A0CF914@HAL9007><5A8C9CF8CB0D469ABEECE5F51C22964E@server2003><68B7BF41A3014B9BB4882F813D9C6FF8@HAL9007>
	<998383250DE9424DA92C8A21F54B1D99@server2003>
Message-ID: <8AF185BD06644FF38E349543777946C8@HAL9007>

No not current purchaser of E-Z_MRP - a different guy.  I developed a system
for him that runs his whole business.  Now he wants to see if he can make a
commercial product out of it.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: May 07, 2013 9:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Hi Rocky:

Interesting...

It is not his strategy but his goal to sell 50 units. He will have to be an
excellent marketer to do that. So the current purchaser, of your system is
trying to make a quick few bucks and then get to hell out. I would wish him
well.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 8:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

His strategy is to sell 50, and then find someone to acquire it.  He has a
contact already set up for that exit strategy.  The acquirer would then
convert it to a web platform if they wanted to.  He just needs a 'proof of
concept' and acceptance by a significant number of users in the market.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: May 07, 2013 7:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Hi Rocky:

I have to agree with Gustav in this. Other that to watch streaming video or
build in video conferencing there is no reason to add sound.

If this is your client's first "product" he should be taking your lead in
this.

On another track: The ultimate product would of course be web based. Whether
that is just run within an office, on a single machine or on the web would
be the choice of his customers but it does open up the possibility to be a
cross-platform, multiple hardware (PC/tablet/Smartphone etc) solution and
one not dependant on the whims of a single OS provider, on a now fading
environment. It would also manage the issues of product distribution,
maintenance, reliability, scalability, depreciation and limited
functionality. 

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 9:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Client wants it because he's seriously considering turning the system I
wrote for him to manage his business into a product.  I gave him my book and
said if you read this and then lie down and the feeling doesn't pass then
we'll talk.

So we've been talking and he's ready to start down that path. Thinks he can
sell 50 of them in a year and then find someone to acquire it and do another
project.  Lot of guys have that idea - this guy is one of the few that think
actually could.

And one of the user friendly things he wanted was that click sound when you
click a command button.  So if I do it, it has to be version independent,
and not be triggering a player to play the sound - has to be immediate so
there's a visual/aural connection. I think it's one of those 'features' that
may get put on the Version 2 list.

R

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: May 06, 2013 9:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Hi Rocky:

I guess you have checked out this old goodie?

http://access.mvps.org/access/api/api0011.htm

The ony other way I know of making a sound is through a browser interface.
Example:

<audio id="bark" preload="auto" autobuffer>
	<source src="audio/dogbark.mp3" type="audio/mp3">
	<source src="audio/dogbark.ogg" type="audio/ogg">
	<!-- now include flash fall back -->
</audio>

I understand that Access can dynamically attach web sound and audio sources
but I have not played with those features. It is most likely version
dependant.

Can you used a hyperlink from Access to connect to and play a wave/sound
file? (Have not tried this yet.)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 8:07 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

"anyone who has sat next to a person on some sort of public transport"

Truly the case for gun control...

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: May 06, 2013 7:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Heh.. I am glad you mentioned the why bit.  I was wondering why on earth you
would want a darn "Click" sound anyway.  A bit like leaving the 'beep' on
your mobile phone keypad.  Surely that would annoy the crap out of you in
less than 5 mins of use.

First thing I do on any of my tech toys is minimise the clicks, beep and
pings.  But maybe that is just me...

Mind you, anyone who has sat next to a person on some sort of public
transport (Plane, Train, Bus) whilst they 'beep, beep, beep' out a long text
message character at a time...  well, enough said I think...



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, 7 May 2013 11:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Beep actually Dings.  I think it's a Windows setting, though.  So I suppose
it could be changed to click.  The user wants click. Doesn't want the users
to have to change Windows settings. (sigh..users...gotta love 'em)

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: May 06, 2013 6:15 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

If nothing else works out maybe you could use Beep.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 7:30 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

That's the way I used to do it.  Problem is now it has to start a player
like VLC every time you play a file.  In the old, old days there was a
little clicker in the comp and you could make it click.  

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: May 06, 2013 3:59 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Hi Rocky:

Did you see this link?:

http://allenbrowne.com/func-04.html

or more modern: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/95647

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 2:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Click Sound

Dear List:
 
Is it possible to have a click sound when you click a control like a command
button or into a text box?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue May  7 16:01:26 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 08 May 2013 07:01:26 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Click Sound
In-Reply-To: <5A8C9CF8CB0D469ABEECE5F51C22964E@server2003>
References: <27FEC4BF46144A03A1F2ADC840829472@HAL9007>,
	<2B954DE419C0424BB3400A294A0CF914@HAL9007>,
	<5A8C9CF8CB0D469ABEECE5F51C22964E@server2003>
Message-ID: <51896BA6.8177.42AC9B14@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Hmmm!   A simple programming "how do I" question.

One answer of  "here's the code".

Lots of answers of "why", "don't do it" and "use a different development environment".

Whatever happened to this as a support forum for Access development problems?

Rocky, I presume you did see my solution using an API call?

-- 
Stuart 

On 7 May 2013 at 7:23, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Hi Rocky:
> 
> I have to agree with Gustav in this. Other that to watch streaming video or
> build in video conferencing there is no reason to add sound.
> 
> If this is your client's first "product" he should be taking your lead in
> this.
> 
> On another track: The ultimate product would of course be web based. Whether
> that is just run within an office, on a single machine or on the web would
> be the choice of his customers but it does open up the possibility to be a
> cross-platform, multiple hardware (PC/tablet/Smartphone etc) solution and
> one not dependant on the whims of a single OS provider, on a now fading
> environment. It would also manage the issues of product distribution,
> maintenance, reliability, scalability, depreciation and limited
> functionality. 
> 
> Jim 
> 



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue May  7 18:29:31 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 16:29:31 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Click Sound
In-Reply-To: <51896BA6.8177.42AC9B14@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <27FEC4BF46144A03A1F2ADC840829472@HAL9007>,
	<2B954DE419C0424BB3400A294A0CF914@HAL9007>,
	<5A8C9CF8CB0D469ABEECE5F51C22964E@server2003>
	<51896BA6.8177.42AC9B14@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <3A53D8E2397B430BA05BFFE6C9EBA2E6@HAL9007>

I saw the solution - the API cal, PlaySnd - I used that in Access 97.  And
it's a real good method if you want to play an mp3 file or a wav file.  Give
audible instructions for example.

But I disagree that the non-programmatic alternatives are not useful.  In
fact, I had and followed lots of discussion here about, what we might
loosely call, 'design topics'.  After all design comes before coding.  And
the experience of a couple of listers, whose opinions I greatly respect said
it would be a bad design decision.

That, for me at least, on this topic, was the right solution.

Best,

r

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: May 07, 2013 2:01 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Hmmm!   A simple programming "how do I" question.

One answer of  "here's the code".

Lots of answers of "why", "don't do it" and "use a different development
environment".

Whatever happened to this as a support forum for Access development
problems?

Rocky, I presume you did see my solution using an API call?

--
Stuart 

On 7 May 2013 at 7:23, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Hi Rocky:
> 
> I have to agree with Gustav in this. Other that to watch streaming 
> video or build in video conferencing there is no reason to add sound.
> 
> If this is your client's first "product" he should be taking your lead 
> in this.
> 
> On another track: The ultimate product would of course be web based. 
> Whether that is just run within an office, on a single machine or on 
> the web would be the choice of his customers but it does open up the 
> possibility to be a cross-platform, multiple hardware 
> (PC/tablet/Smartphone etc) solution and one not dependant on the whims 
> of a single OS provider, on a now fading environment. It would also 
> manage the issues of product distribution, maintenance, reliability, 
> scalability, depreciation and limited functionality.
> 
> Jim
> 


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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue May  7 19:32:26 2013
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 07 May 2013 20:32:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Click Sound
In-Reply-To: <3A53D8E2397B430BA05BFFE6C9EBA2E6@HAL9007>
References: <27FEC4BF46144A03A1F2ADC840829472@HAL9007>,
	<2B954DE419C0424BB3400A294A0CF914@HAL9007>,
	<5A8C9CF8CB0D469ABEECE5F51C22964E@server2003>
	<51896BA6.8177.42AC9B14@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<3A53D8E2397B430BA05BFFE6C9EBA2E6@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <2B282163FF0B4315AC004FCED82DC0E4@XPS>

Rocky,

 Well in case anyone is un-aware, past few release of Office allow for
"feedback with sound" as an option...seems like it's OK for Microsoft then.

 Of course, they even blew their own design guidelines for Windows 8 tiles,
so they don't always make good choices either.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 07:30 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

I saw the solution - the API cal, PlaySnd - I used that in Access 97.  And
it's a real good method if you want to play an mp3 file or a wav file.  Give
audible instructions for example.

But I disagree that the non-programmatic alternatives are not useful.  In
fact, I had and followed lots of discussion here about, what we might
loosely call, 'design topics'.  After all design comes before coding.  And
the experience of a couple of listers, whose opinions I greatly respect said
it would be a bad design decision.

That, for me at least, on this topic, was the right solution.

Best,

r

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: May 07, 2013 2:01 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Hmmm!   A simple programming "how do I" question.

One answer of  "here's the code".

Lots of answers of "why", "don't do it" and "use a different development
environment".

Whatever happened to this as a support forum for Access development
problems?

Rocky, I presume you did see my solution using an API call?

--
Stuart 

On 7 May 2013 at 7:23, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Hi Rocky:
> 
> I have to agree with Gustav in this. Other that to watch streaming 
> video or build in video conferencing there is no reason to add sound.
> 
> If this is your client's first "product" he should be taking your lead 
> in this.
> 
> On another track: The ultimate product would of course be web based. 
> Whether that is just run within an office, on a single machine or on 
> the web would be the choice of his customers but it does open up the 
> possibility to be a cross-platform, multiple hardware 
> (PC/tablet/Smartphone etc) solution and one not dependant on the whims 
> of a single OS provider, on a now fading environment. It would also 
> manage the issues of product distribution, maintenance, reliability, 
> scalability, depreciation and limited functionality.
> 
> Jim
> 


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue May  7 20:27:32 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 18:27:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Click Sound
In-Reply-To: <51896BA6.8177.42AC9B14@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <27FEC4BF46144A03A1F2ADC840829472@HAL9007>,
	<2B954DE419C0424BB3400A294A0CF914@HAL9007>,
	<5A8C9CF8CB0D469ABEECE5F51C22964E@server2003>
	<51896BA6.8177.42AC9B14@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <7768087E84F14BB79811559114976A71@server2003>

Hi Stuart:

As I remarked before, I was understanding that the program that Rocky was
discussing was his manufacturing application. 

" Whatever happened to this as a support forum for Access development
problems? " 

That is the same type of question, that one day, was probably argued, when
some farmer's son was discussing with his father, the advantages of buying a
tractor for farm, for use, over horse drawing farm machinery. This is the
still the farm and the old farmer's, son's son's son may be still working
that family farm because of a right decision made so many years before.    

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 2:01 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Hmmm!   A simple programming "how do I" question.

One answer of  "here's the code".

Lots of answers of "why", "don't do it" and "use a different development
environment".

Whatever happened to this as a support forum for Access development
problems?

Rocky, I presume you did see my solution using an API call?

-- 
Stuart 

On 7 May 2013 at 7:23, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Hi Rocky:
> 
> I have to agree with Gustav in this. Other that to watch streaming video
or
> build in video conferencing there is no reason to add sound.
> 
> If this is your client's first "product" he should be taking your lead in
> this.
> 
> On another track: The ultimate product would of course be web based.
Whether
> that is just run within an office, on a single machine or on the web would
> be the choice of his customers but it does open up the possibility to be a
> cross-platform, multiple hardware (PC/tablet/Smartphone etc) solution and
> one not dependant on the whims of a single OS provider, on a now fading
> environment. It would also manage the issues of product distribution,
> maintenance, reliability, scalability, depreciation and limited
> functionality. 
> 
> Jim 
> 


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue May  7 20:29:20 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 18:29:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Click Sound
In-Reply-To: <8AF185BD06644FF38E349543777946C8@HAL9007>
References: <27FEC4BF46144A03A1F2ADC840829472@HAL9007><80022B03CB554583AE6F4643C1046F93@server2003><C2C673552E804B97B58F359DA17515DE@HAL9007><02a301ce4ac0$42a10c30$c7e32490$@winhaven.net><AD75EAD14A974D6CABFD939BB6A15EAA@HAL9007><56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B54B87F0AE@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><D67943256F6843ADB6BE28778DEA69EE@HAL9007><CBA1366E7A8A490F86677BDF0D45A52B@server2003><2B954DE419C0424BB3400A294A0CF914@HAL9007><5A8C9CF8CB0D469ABEECE5F51C22964E@server2003><68B7BF41A3014B9BB4882F813D9C6FF8@HAL9007><998383250DE9424DA92C8A21F54B1D99@server2003>
	<8AF185BD06644FF38E349543777946C8@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <0AABB182BCE543488F834B26D889EC3B@server2003>

Hi Rocky:

Sorry, didn't see that heading.

Ignore what I wrote then.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 9:58 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

No not current purchaser of E-Z_MRP - a different guy.  I developed a system
for him that runs his whole business.  Now he wants to see if he can make a
commercial product out of it.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: May 07, 2013 9:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Hi Rocky:

Interesting...

It is not his strategy but his goal to sell 50 units. He will have to be an
excellent marketer to do that. So the current purchaser, of your system is
trying to make a quick few bucks and then get to hell out. I would wish him
well.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 8:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

His strategy is to sell 50, and then find someone to acquire it.  He has a
contact already set up for that exit strategy.  The acquirer would then
convert it to a web platform if they wanted to.  He just needs a 'proof of
concept' and acceptance by a significant number of users in the market.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: May 07, 2013 7:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Hi Rocky:

I have to agree with Gustav in this. Other that to watch streaming video or
build in video conferencing there is no reason to add sound.

If this is your client's first "product" he should be taking your lead in
this.

On another track: The ultimate product would of course be web based. Whether
that is just run within an office, on a single machine or on the web would
be the choice of his customers but it does open up the possibility to be a
cross-platform, multiple hardware (PC/tablet/Smartphone etc) solution and
one not dependant on the whims of a single OS provider, on a now fading
environment. It would also manage the issues of product distribution,
maintenance, reliability, scalability, depreciation and limited
functionality. 

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 9:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Client wants it because he's seriously considering turning the system I
wrote for him to manage his business into a product.  I gave him my book and
said if you read this and then lie down and the feeling doesn't pass then
we'll talk.

So we've been talking and he's ready to start down that path. Thinks he can
sell 50 of them in a year and then find someone to acquire it and do another
project.  Lot of guys have that idea - this guy is one of the few that think
actually could.

And one of the user friendly things he wanted was that click sound when you
click a command button.  So if I do it, it has to be version independent,
and not be triggering a player to play the sound - has to be immediate so
there's a visual/aural connection. I think it's one of those 'features' that
may get put on the Version 2 list.

R

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: May 06, 2013 9:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Hi Rocky:

I guess you have checked out this old goodie?

http://access.mvps.org/access/api/api0011.htm

The ony other way I know of making a sound is through a browser interface.
Example:

<audio id="bark" preload="auto" autobuffer>
	<source src="audio/dogbark.mp3" type="audio/mp3">
	<source src="audio/dogbark.ogg" type="audio/ogg">
	<!-- now include flash fall back -->
</audio>

I understand that Access can dynamically attach web sound and audio sources
but I have not played with those features. It is most likely version
dependant.

Can you used a hyperlink from Access to connect to and play a wave/sound
file? (Have not tried this yet.)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 8:07 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

"anyone who has sat next to a person on some sort of public transport"

Truly the case for gun control...

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: May 06, 2013 7:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Heh.. I am glad you mentioned the why bit.  I was wondering why on earth you
would want a darn "Click" sound anyway.  A bit like leaving the 'beep' on
your mobile phone keypad.  Surely that would annoy the crap out of you in
less than 5 mins of use.

First thing I do on any of my tech toys is minimise the clicks, beep and
pings.  But maybe that is just me...

Mind you, anyone who has sat next to a person on some sort of public
transport (Plane, Train, Bus) whilst they 'beep, beep, beep' out a long text
message character at a time...  well, enough said I think...



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, 7 May 2013 11:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Beep actually Dings.  I think it's a Windows setting, though.  So I suppose
it could be changed to click.  The user wants click. Doesn't want the users
to have to change Windows settings. (sigh..users...gotta love 'em)

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: May 06, 2013 6:15 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

If nothing else works out maybe you could use Beep.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 7:30 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

That's the way I used to do it.  Problem is now it has to start a player
like VLC every time you play a file.  In the old, old days there was a
little clicker in the comp and you could make it click.  

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: May 06, 2013 3:59 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Click Sound

Hi Rocky:

Did you see this link?:

http://allenbrowne.com/func-04.html

or more modern: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/95647

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 2:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Click Sound

Dear List:
 
Is it possible to have a click sound when you click a control like a command
button or into a text box?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu May  9 17:17:33 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 15:17:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color
Message-ID: <81436AFF20BD416DB790E4FE687C99D6@HAL9007>

Dear List(s):
 
Sorry for the cross post - you never know where the 'good' answer will com
from these days. :)
 
Anyway, I have two color printers and neither will print in color from any
Office app.  I tried printing a picture from Windows Photo Viewer  prints
color.  PDF from Adobe - OK. So I think the printers are OK.
 
So I think it must be something on Office.  This is 2003 professional.
 
I put three lines of text on a doc, one red, one blue, one yellow.  All come
out in grayscale.  If I print to PrimoPDF and then print the PDF it comes
out in grayscale as well - so it must be some instruction in Office that's
defaulting everything to grayscale.
 
Google is usually good about this but there's nothing except some advice
about background printing. 
 
What to do?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu May  9 21:04:25 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 19:04:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color
In-Reply-To: <81436AFF20BD416DB790E4FE687C99D6@HAL9007>
References: <81436AFF20BD416DB790E4FE687C99D6@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <6F92E4F8066049A58336D275A0D8A0CD@server2003>

Hi Rocky:

No knowing the printer but all printers I am aware of, have a setting that
prints all in grey-scale to save on ink. There may also be a setting in your
printer's > properties colour management tab and/or advanced tab that allows
the printer to be set to only print in grey-scale. 

I believe there is also a property, in the Office Options that allows you to
set printer default colour.

Off the top that is as good as it gets.

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 3:18 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color

Dear List(s):
 
Sorry for the cross post - you never know where the 'good' answer will com
from these days. :)
 
Anyway, I have two color printers and neither will print in color from any
Office app.  I tried printing a picture from Windows Photo Viewer  prints
color.  PDF from Adobe - OK. So I think the printers are OK.
 
So I think it must be something on Office.  This is 2003 professional.
 
I put three lines of text on a doc, one red, one blue, one yellow.  All come
out in grayscale.  If I print to PrimoPDF and then print the PDF it comes
out in grayscale as well - so it must be some instruction in Office that's
defaulting everything to grayscale.
 
Google is usually good about this but there's nothing except some advice
about background printing. 
 
What to do?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu May  9 22:04:43 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 20:04:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color
In-Reply-To: <6F92E4F8066049A58336D275A0D8A0CD@server2003>
References: <81436AFF20BD416DB790E4FE687C99D6@HAL9007>
	<6F92E4F8066049A58336D275A0D8A0CD@server2003>
Message-ID: <D5807616227D47168A7C9EE4E5D48441@HAL9007>

Word-->Options-->Print all set correctly.  No grayscale option.  With the
Samsung Laser printer there is a grayscale option but it's unchecked.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: May 09, 2013 7:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color

Hi Rocky:

No knowing the printer but all printers I am aware of, have a setting that
prints all in grey-scale to save on ink. There may also be a setting in your
printer's > properties colour management tab and/or advanced tab that allows
the printer to be set to only print in grey-scale. 

I believe there is also a property, in the Office Options that allows you to
set printer default colour.

Off the top that is as good as it gets.

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 3:18 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color

Dear List(s):
 
Sorry for the cross post - you never know where the 'good' answer will com
from these days. :)
 
Anyway, I have two color printers and neither will print in color from any
Office app.  I tried printing a picture from Windows Photo Viewer  prints
color.  PDF from Adobe - OK. So I think the printers are OK.
 
So I think it must be something on Office.  This is 2003 professional.
 
I put three lines of text on a doc, one red, one blue, one yellow.  All come
out in grayscale.  If I print to PrimoPDF and then print the PDF it comes
out in grayscale as well - so it must be some instruction in Office that's
defaulting everything to grayscale.
 
Google is usually good about this but there's nothing except some advice
about background printing. 
 
What to do?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu May  9 22:23:06 2013
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 03:23:06 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color
In-Reply-To: <D5807616227D47168A7C9EE4E5D48441@HAL9007>
References: <81436AFF20BD416DB790E4FE687C99D6@HAL9007>
	<6F92E4F8066049A58336D275A0D8A0CD@server2003>
	<D5807616227D47168A7C9EE4E5D48441@HAL9007>
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Does the printer itself have a properties option?  Although if other apps are colour printing I would be doubtful if it is a 'printer' based setting regardless.  Most odd...



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Friday, 10 May 2013 1:05 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color

Word-->Options-->Print all set correctly.  No grayscale option.  With 
Word-->Options-->the
Samsung Laser printer there is a grayscale option but it's unchecked.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: May 09, 2013 7:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color

Hi Rocky:

No knowing the printer but all printers I am aware of, have a setting that prints all in grey-scale to save on ink. There may also be a setting in your printer's > properties colour management tab and/or advanced tab that allows the printer to be set to only print in grey-scale. 

I believe there is also a property, in the Office Options that allows you to set printer default colour.

Off the top that is as good as it gets.

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 3:18 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color

Dear List(s):
 
Sorry for the cross post - you never know where the 'good' answer will com from these days. :)
 
Anyway, I have two color printers and neither will print in color from any Office app.  I tried printing a picture from Windows Photo Viewer  prints color.  PDF from Adobe - OK. So I think the printers are OK.
 
So I think it must be something on Office.  This is 2003 professional.
 
I put three lines of text on a doc, one red, one blue, one yellow.  All come out in grayscale.  If I print to PrimoPDF and then print the PDF it comes out in grayscale as well - so it must be some instruction in Office that's defaulting everything to grayscale.
 
Google is usually good about this but there's nothing except some advice about background printing. 
 
What to do?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu May  9 22:35:50 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 20:35:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B54B881895@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <81436AFF20BD416DB790E4FE687C99D6@HAL9007><6F92E4F8066049A58336D275A0D8A0CD@server2003><D5807616227D47168A7C9EE4E5D48441@HAL9007>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B54B881895@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <A4E943E8BD474A41BF93DE4D6D577FC4@HAL9007>

Printer has options but set to color.

R
 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: May 09, 2013 8:23 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color

Does the printer itself have a properties option?  Although if other apps
are colour printing I would be doubtful if it is a 'printer' based setting
regardless.  Most odd...



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Friday, 10 May 2013 1:05 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color

Word-->Options-->Print all set correctly.  No grayscale option.  With 
Word-->Options-->the
Samsung Laser printer there is a grayscale option but it's unchecked.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: May 09, 2013 7:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color

Hi Rocky:

No knowing the printer but all printers I am aware of, have a setting that
prints all in grey-scale to save on ink. There may also be a setting in your
printer's > properties colour management tab and/or advanced tab that allows
the printer to be set to only print in grey-scale. 

I believe there is also a property, in the Office Options that allows you to
set printer default colour.

Off the top that is as good as it gets.

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 3:18 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color

Dear List(s):
 
Sorry for the cross post - you never know where the 'good' answer will com
from these days. :)
 
Anyway, I have two color printers and neither will print in color from any
Office app.  I tried printing a picture from Windows Photo Viewer  prints
color.  PDF from Adobe - OK. So I think the printers are OK.
 
So I think it must be something on Office.  This is 2003 professional.
 
I put three lines of text on a doc, one red, one blue, one yellow.  All come
out in grayscale.  If I print to PrimoPDF and then print the PDF it comes
out in grayscale as well - so it must be some instruction in Office that's
defaulting everything to grayscale.
 
Google is usually good about this but there's nothing except some advice
about background printing. 
 
What to do?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From rbgajewski at roadrunner.com  Fri May 10 07:15:26 2013
From: rbgajewski at roadrunner.com (Bob Gajewski)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 08:15:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color
In-Reply-To: <D5807616227D47168A7C9EE4E5D48441@HAL9007>
References: <81436AFF20BD416DB790E4FE687C99D6@HAL9007><6F92E4F8066049A58336D275A0D8A0CD@server2003>
	<D5807616227D47168A7C9EE4E5D48441@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <4CF0C113157942B0B08AC19F86476B09@7B440585K>

Are you perhaps printing in draft mode? From the menu, select Tools - 
Options - Print tab, see if Draft Output is ticked. While you're there, see 
if Background colors & images is selected (in case that's what's missing).

It's a long shot, but if you're still having the problem, anything is worth
checking out ...

Bob Gajewski 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 23:05 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color

Word-->Options-->Print all set correctly.  No grayscale option.  With 
Word-->Options-->the
Samsung Laser printer there is a grayscale option but it's unchecked.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: May 09, 2013 7:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color

Hi Rocky:

No knowing the printer but all printers I am aware of, have a setting that
prints all in grey-scale to save on ink. There may also be a setting in your
printer's > properties colour management tab and/or advanced tab that allows
the printer to be set to only print in grey-scale. 

I believe there is also a property, in the Office Options that allows you to
set printer default colour.

Off the top that is as good as it gets.

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 3:18 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color

Dear List(s):
 
Sorry for the cross post - you never know where the 'good' answer will com
from these days. :)
 
Anyway, I have two color printers and neither will print in color from any
Office app.  I tried printing a picture from Windows Photo Viewer  prints
color.  PDF from Adobe - OK. So I think the printers are OK.
 
So I think it must be something on Office.  This is 2003 professional.
 
I put three lines of text on a doc, one red, one blue, one yellow.  All come
out in grayscale.  If I print to PrimoPDF and then print the PDF it comes
out in grayscale as well - so it must be some instruction in Office that's
defaulting everything to grayscale.
 
Google is usually good about this but there's nothing except some advice
about background printing. 
 
What to do?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri May 10 08:25:39 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 06:25:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color
In-Reply-To: <4CF0C113157942B0B08AC19F86476B09@7B440585K>
References: <81436AFF20BD416DB790E4FE687C99D6@HAL9007><6F92E4F8066049A58336D275A0D8A0CD@server2003><D5807616227D47168A7C9EE4E5D48441@HAL9007>
	<4CF0C113157942B0B08AC19F86476B09@7B440585K>
Message-ID: <6914FEF1F8524BF0A6E4077BC1948837@HAL9007>

Bob:

Normal mode.  Background color printing checked. This is a real stumper.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Gajewski
Sent: May 10, 2013 5:15 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color

Are you perhaps printing in draft mode? From the menu, select Tools -
Options - Print tab, see if Draft Output is ticked. While you're there, see
if Background colors & images is selected (in case that's what's missing).

It's a long shot, but if you're still having the problem, anything is worth
checking out ...

Bob Gajewski 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 23:05 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color

Word-->Options-->Print all set correctly.  No grayscale option.  With 
Word-->Options-->the
Samsung Laser printer there is a grayscale option but it's unchecked.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: May 09, 2013 7:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color

Hi Rocky:

No knowing the printer but all printers I am aware of, have a setting that
prints all in grey-scale to save on ink. There may also be a setting in your
printer's > properties colour management tab and/or advanced tab that allows
the printer to be set to only print in grey-scale. 

I believe there is also a property, in the Office Options that allows you to
set printer default colour.

Off the top that is as good as it gets.

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 3:18 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color

Dear List(s):
 
Sorry for the cross post - you never know where the 'good' answer will com
from these days. :)
 
Anyway, I have two color printers and neither will print in color from any
Office app.  I tried printing a picture from Windows Photo Viewer  prints
color.  PDF from Adobe - OK. So I think the printers are OK.
 
So I think it must be something on Office.  This is 2003 professional.
 
I put three lines of text on a doc, one red, one blue, one yellow.  All come
out in grayscale.  If I print to PrimoPDF and then print the PDF it comes
out in grayscale as well - so it must be some instruction in Office that's
defaulting everything to grayscale.
 
Google is usually good about this but there's nothing except some advice
about background printing. 
 
What to do?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Fri May 10 08:42:13 2013
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 09:42:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Office Won't Print Color
In-Reply-To: <81436AFF20BD416DB790E4FE687C99D6@HAL9007>
References: <81436AFF20BD416DB790E4FE687C99D6@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAAZtbWHxAs5jtfO129mM0gdF+_ZKELXxrPna3xQJ-54tjAVAqw@mail.gmail.com>

Here's a WAG that worked for someone on an HP printer.....

Open the "Devices and Printers" window.

Right-click the printer and select "Printer Properties."

Select the "Device Settings" tab.

Scroll to the bottom and set "Device Type" to "Color" (instead of the
default, "Auto Detect").

Failing that, maybe an uninstall/reinstall of the printer drivers are in order.

On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
> Dear List(s):
>
> Sorry for the cross post - you never know where the 'good' answer will com
> from these days. :)
>
> Anyway, I have two color printers and neither will print in color from any
> Office app.  I tried printing a picture from Windows Photo Viewer  prints
> color.  PDF from Adobe - OK. So I think the printers are OK.
>
> So I think it must be something on Office.  This is 2003 professional.
>
> I put three lines of text on a doc, one red, one blue, one yellow.  All come
> out in grayscale.  If I print to PrimoPDF and then print the PDF it comes
> out in grayscale as well - so it must be some instruction in Office that's
> defaulting everything to grayscale.
>
> Google is usually good about this but there's nothing except some advice
> about background printing.
>
> What to do?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/>
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri May 10 09:07:52 2013
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 10:07:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color
In-Reply-To: <6914FEF1F8524BF0A6E4077BC1948837@HAL9007>
References: <81436AFF20BD416DB790E4FE687C99D6@HAL9007><6F92E4F8066049A58336D275A0D8A0CD@server2003><D5807616227D47168A7C9EE4E5D48441@HAL9007>
	<4CF0C113157942B0B08AC19F86476B09@7B440585K>
	<6914FEF1F8524BF0A6E4077BC1948837@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <598EFD2F5F3642AB989BD03A31B323A2@XPS>


 Do a self test on the printer; make sure it can still print in color<g>.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 09:26 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color

Bob:

Normal mode.  Background color printing checked. This is a real stumper.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Gajewski
Sent: May 10, 2013 5:15 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color

Are you perhaps printing in draft mode? From the menu, select Tools -
Options - Print tab, see if Draft Output is ticked. While you're there, see
if Background colors & images is selected (in case that's what's missing).

It's a long shot, but if you're still having the problem, anything is worth
checking out ...

Bob Gajewski 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 23:05 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color

Word-->Options-->Print all set correctly.  No grayscale option.  With 
Word-->Options-->the
Samsung Laser printer there is a grayscale option but it's unchecked.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: May 09, 2013 7:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color

Hi Rocky:

No knowing the printer but all printers I am aware of, have a setting that
prints all in grey-scale to save on ink. There may also be a setting in your
printer's > properties colour management tab and/or advanced tab that allows
the printer to be set to only print in grey-scale. 

I believe there is also a property, in the Office Options that allows you to
set printer default colour.

Off the top that is as good as it gets.

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 3:18 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color

Dear List(s):
 
Sorry for the cross post - you never know where the 'good' answer will com
from these days. :)
 
Anyway, I have two color printers and neither will print in color from any
Office app.  I tried printing a picture from Windows Photo Viewer  prints
color.  PDF from Adobe - OK. So I think the printers are OK.
 
So I think it must be something on Office.  This is 2003 professional.
 
I put three lines of text on a doc, one red, one blue, one yellow.  All come
out in grayscale.  If I print to PrimoPDF and then print the PDF it comes
out in grayscale as well - so it must be some instruction in Office that's
defaulting everything to grayscale.
 
Google is usually good about this but there's nothing except some advice
about background printing. 
 
What to do?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri May 10 09:09:05 2013
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 10:09:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] FW:  Office Won't Print Color
Message-ID: <5F0F785559814B2C9D464F3DAA981FB1@XPS>

 
 And after the printer self-test, do one from the control panel/printers out
of windows.

  You should get color there as well.  If so, that narrows it down to the
app(s) for sure.

Jim.
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From: Jim Dettman [mailto:jimdettman at verizon.net] 
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 10:08 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color


 Do a self test on the printer; make sure it can still print in color<g>.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 09:26 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color

Bob:

Normal mode.  Background color printing checked. This is a real stumper.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Gajewski
Sent: May 10, 2013 5:15 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color

Are you perhaps printing in draft mode? From the menu, select Tools -
Options - Print tab, see if Draft Output is ticked. While you're there, see
if Background colors & images is selected (in case that's what's missing).

It's a long shot, but if you're still having the problem, anything is worth
checking out ...

Bob Gajewski 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 23:05 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color

Word-->Options-->Print all set correctly.  No grayscale option.  With 
Word-->Options-->the
Samsung Laser printer there is a grayscale option but it's unchecked.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: May 09, 2013 7:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color

Hi Rocky:

No knowing the printer but all printers I am aware of, have a setting that
prints all in grey-scale to save on ink. There may also be a setting in your
printer's > properties colour management tab and/or advanced tab that allows
the printer to be set to only print in grey-scale. 

I believe there is also a property, in the Office Options that allows you to
set printer default colour.

Off the top that is as good as it gets.

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 3:18 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color

Dear List(s):
 
Sorry for the cross post - you never know where the 'good' answer will com
from these days. :)
 
Anyway, I have two color printers and neither will print in color from any
Office app.  I tried printing a picture from Windows Photo Viewer  prints
color.  PDF from Adobe - OK. So I think the printers are OK.
 
So I think it must be something on Office.  This is 2003 professional.
 
I put three lines of text on a doc, one red, one blue, one yellow.  All come
out in grayscale.  If I print to PrimoPDF and then print the PDF it comes
out in grayscale as well - so it must be some instruction in Office that's
defaulting everything to grayscale.
 
Google is usually good about this but there's nothing except some advice
about background printing. 
 
What to do?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri May 10 09:31:15 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 07:31:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color
In-Reply-To: <598EFD2F5F3642AB989BD03A31B323A2@XPS>
References: <81436AFF20BD416DB790E4FE687C99D6@HAL9007><6F92E4F8066049A58336D275A0D8A0CD@server2003><D5807616227D47168A7C9EE4E5D48441@HAL9007><4CF0C113157942B0B08AC19F86476B09@7B440585K><6914FEF1F8524BF0A6E4077BC1948837@HAL9007>
	<598EFD2F5F3642AB989BD03A31B323A2@XPS>
Message-ID: <4852B459CA924D92B8347D9DA4D9A161@HAL9007>

Yeah they both print color if from an app other than Office.

R
 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: May 10, 2013 7:08 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color


 Do a self test on the printer; make sure it can still print in color<g>.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 09:26 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color

Bob:

Normal mode.  Background color printing checked. This is a real stumper.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Gajewski
Sent: May 10, 2013 5:15 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color

Are you perhaps printing in draft mode? From the menu, select Tools -
Options - Print tab, see if Draft Output is ticked. While you're there, see
if Background colors & images is selected (in case that's what's missing).

It's a long shot, but if you're still having the problem, anything is worth
checking out ...

Bob Gajewski 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 23:05 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color

Word-->Options-->Print all set correctly.  No grayscale option.  With 
Word-->Options-->the
Samsung Laser printer there is a grayscale option but it's unchecked.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: May 09, 2013 7:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color

Hi Rocky:

No knowing the printer but all printers I am aware of, have a setting that
prints all in grey-scale to save on ink. There may also be a setting in your
printer's > properties colour management tab and/or advanced tab that allows
the printer to be set to only print in grey-scale. 

I believe there is also a property, in the Office Options that allows you to
set printer default colour.

Off the top that is as good as it gets.

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 3:18 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color

Dear List(s):
 
Sorry for the cross post - you never know where the 'good' answer will com
from these days. :)
 
Anyway, I have two color printers and neither will print in color from any
Office app.  I tried printing a picture from Windows Photo Viewer  prints
color.  PDF from Adobe - OK. So I think the printers are OK.
 
So I think it must be something on Office.  This is 2003 professional.
 
I put three lines of text on a doc, one red, one blue, one yellow.  All come
out in grayscale.  If I print to PrimoPDF and then print the PDF it comes
out in grayscale as well - so it must be some instruction in Office that's
defaulting everything to grayscale.
 
Google is usually good about this but there's nothing except some advice
about background printing. 
 
What to do?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Fri May 10 11:16:04 2013
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 09:16:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color
In-Reply-To: <4852B459CA924D92B8347D9DA4D9A161@HAL9007>
References: <81436AFF20BD416DB790E4FE687C99D6@HAL9007><6F92E4F8066049A58336D275A0D8A0CD@server2003><D5807616227D47168A7C9EE4E5D48441@HAL9007><4CF0C113157942B0B08AC19F86476B09@7B440585K><6914FEF1F8524BF0A6E4077BC1948837@HAL9007>	<598EFD2F5F3642AB989BD03A31B323A2@XPS>
	<4852B459CA924D92B8347D9DA4D9A161@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <002401ce4d99$abf813a0$03e83ae0$@cox.net>

Here is a link to some folks who have had the same problem. One fixed it.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/237174-49-publisher-print-black-white-colo
r-printer

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 7:31 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color

Yeah they both print color if from an app other than Office.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: May 10, 2013 7:08 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color


 Do a self test on the printer; make sure it can still print in color<g>.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 09:26 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color

Bob:

Normal mode.  Background color printing checked. This is a real stumper.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Gajewski
Sent: May 10, 2013 5:15 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color

Are you perhaps printing in draft mode? From the menu, select Tools -
Options - Print tab, see if Draft Output is ticked. While you're there, see
if Background colors & images is selected (in case that's what's missing).

It's a long shot, but if you're still having the problem, anything is worth
checking out ...

Bob Gajewski 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 23:05 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color

Word-->Options-->Print all set correctly.  No grayscale option.  With 
Word-->Options-->the
Samsung Laser printer there is a grayscale option but it's unchecked.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: May 09, 2013 7:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color

Hi Rocky:

No knowing the printer but all printers I am aware of, have a setting that
prints all in grey-scale to save on ink. There may also be a setting in your
printer's > properties colour management tab and/or advanced tab that allows
the printer to be set to only print in grey-scale. 

I believe there is also a property, in the Office Options that allows you to
set printer default colour.

Off the top that is as good as it gets.

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 3:18 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Office Won't Print Color

Dear List(s):
 
Sorry for the cross post - you never know where the 'good' answer will com
from these days. :)
 
Anyway, I have two color printers and neither will print in color from any
Office app.  I tried printing a picture from Windows Photo Viewer  prints
color.  PDF from Adobe - OK. So I think the printers are OK.
 
So I think it must be something on Office.  This is 2003 professional.
 
I put three lines of text on a doc, one red, one blue, one yellow.  All come
out in grayscale.  If I print to PrimoPDF and then print the PDF it comes
out in grayscale as well - so it must be some instruction in Office that's
defaulting everything to grayscale.
 
Google is usually good about this but there's nothing except some advice
about background printing. 
 
What to do?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun May 12 10:36:26 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 08:36:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Error Traps - Question for Colby
Message-ID: <631FF8C6018B4C0088304D54B77A3CFB@HAL9007>

JC:
 
I'm using your error module builder to put error traps into an app for a
client.  I haven't used it for years but it always worked in the past.  Now
I'm getting a compile error in this new app
 
Compile error variable not defined.  and vbext_pk_Getis highlighted in

 
'GET THE STRING THAT REPRESENTS THE PROCEDURE TYPE
        Select Case .lngProcKind
        Case vbext_pk_Get
            .strProcKind = "Get"
        Case vbext_pk_Let
            .strProcKind = "Let"
        Case vbext_pk_Set
            .strProcKind = "Set"
        Case vbext_pk_Proc
            If InStr(.strProcDecl, "Sub") = 0 Then
                .strProcKind = "Function"
            Else
                .strProcKind = "Sub"
            End If
        Case Else
        End Select

But I can't find any other reference to vbext_pk_Get even in an old app
where the code works and compiles correctly.
 
Do yo know what might be the problem?
 
Thanks and regards,
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun May 12 11:02:52 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 09:02:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Error Traps - Question for Colby
In-Reply-To: <631FF8C6018B4C0088304D54B77A3CFB@HAL9007>
References: <631FF8C6018B4C0088304D54B77A3CFB@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <742B3531F0C748C0AE0D48E1CA835E6D@HAL9007>

P.S.  If I comment out all the lines in the Select Case the app compiles OK.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: May 12, 2013 8:36 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Error Traps - Question for Colby

JC:
 
I'm using your error module builder to put error traps into an app for a
client.  I haven't used it for years but it always worked in the past.  Now
I'm getting a compile error in this new app
 
Compile error variable not defined.  and vbext_pk_Getis highlighted in

 
'GET THE STRING THAT REPRESENTS THE PROCEDURE TYPE
        Select Case .lngProcKind
        Case vbext_pk_Get
            .strProcKind = "Get"
        Case vbext_pk_Let
            .strProcKind = "Let"
        Case vbext_pk_Set
            .strProcKind = "Set"
        Case vbext_pk_Proc
            If InStr(.strProcDecl, "Sub") = 0 Then
                .strProcKind = "Function"
            Else
                .strProcKind = "Sub"
            End If
        Case Else
        End Select

But I can't find any other reference to vbext_pk_Get even in an old app
where the code works and compiles correctly.
 
Do yo know what might be the problem?
 
Thanks and regards,
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sun May 12 11:24:49 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 12:24:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Error Traps - Question for Colby
In-Reply-To: <631FF8C6018B4C0088304D54B77A3CFB@HAL9007>
References: <631FF8C6018B4C0088304D54B77A3CFB@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V562obmj-0wKpbgdyhHgNKycbeBdrXW0o0P6crbN7N9QQ@mail.gmail.com>

Should be easy enough to check that all those constants exist, and I would,
just to be safe.

Second, since you are checking equality, try putting
Case is = vbext_pk_Get

On May 12, 2013 11:38 AM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
>
> JC:
>
> I'm using your error module builder to put error traps into an app for a
> client.  I haven't used it for years but it always worked in the past.
 Now
> I'm getting a compile error in this new app
>
> Compile error variable not defined.  and vbext_pk_Getis highlighted in
>
>
> 'GET THE STRING THAT REPRESENTS THE PROCEDURE TYPE
>         Select Case .lngProcKind
>         Case vbext_pk_Get
>             .strProcKind = "Get"
>         Case vbext_pk_Let
>             .strProcKind = "Let"
>         Case vbext_pk_Set
>             .strProcKind = "Set"
>         Case vbext_pk_Proc
>             If InStr(.strProcDecl, "Sub") = 0 Then
>                 .strProcKind = "Function"
>             Else
>                 .strProcKind = "Sub"
>             End If
>         Case Else
>         End Select
>
> But I can't find any other reference to vbext_pk_Get even in an old app
> where the code works and compiles correctly.
>
> Do yo know what might be the problem?
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/>
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun May 12 11:48:43 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 09:48:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Error Traps - Question for Colby
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V562obmj-0wKpbgdyhHgNKycbeBdrXW0o0P6crbN7N9QQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <631FF8C6018B4C0088304D54B77A3CFB@HAL9007>
	<CAGuQ9V562obmj-0wKpbgdyhHgNKycbeBdrXW0o0P6crbN7N9QQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <76A31C71F082433CB8B65CF2A3BCCB0E@HAL9007>

There's no reference to them but in the app where I used it before and it
compiles there's no reference there either.

A mystery.  Only JC knows...

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: May 12, 2013 9:25 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error Traps - Question for Colby

Should be easy enough to check that all those constants exist, and I would,
just to be safe.

Second, since you are checking equality, try putting Case is = vbext_pk_Get

On May 12, 2013 11:38 AM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
>
> JC:
>
> I'm using your error module builder to put error traps into an app for 
> a client.  I haven't used it for years but it always worked in the past.
 Now
> I'm getting a compile error in this new app
>
> Compile error variable not defined.  and vbext_pk_Getis highlighted in
>
>
> 'GET THE STRING THAT REPRESENTS THE PROCEDURE TYPE
>         Select Case .lngProcKind
>         Case vbext_pk_Get
>             .strProcKind = "Get"
>         Case vbext_pk_Let
>             .strProcKind = "Let"
>         Case vbext_pk_Set
>             .strProcKind = "Set"
>         Case vbext_pk_Proc
>             If InStr(.strProcDecl, "Sub") = 0 Then
>                 .strProcKind = "Function"
>             Else
>                 .strProcKind = "Sub"
>             End If
>         Case Else
>         End Select
>
> But I can't find any other reference to vbext_pk_Get even in an old 
> app where the code works and compiles correctly.
>
> Do yo know what might be the problem?
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com 
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun May 12 12:33:00 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 10:33:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Error Traps - Question for Colby
In-Reply-To: <742B3531F0C748C0AE0D48E1CA835E6D@HAL9007>
References: <631FF8C6018B4C0088304D54B77A3CFB@HAL9007>
	<742B3531F0C748C0AE0D48E1CA835E6D@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <F61E7A0C7E14422DBA98A3E20DA967FE@server2003>

Hi Rocky:

There has to be a With statement with the select components or it wouldn't
work. There must be a few lines of code missing. I would suspect that a
variable would be passed without using the return statement. I use to use a
lot of 'types' as they were great for passing a mixed groups of
variables...when only returning a single variable a return statement is just
fine. 

Note: that this is air code

Example:

Option Explicit

Public Type Main_Error_type
    strProcKind as String
    lngProcKind as long
    ...	
End Type

Public Function HandleErrorCode() as string
    Dim Error_type As Main_Error_type

    'GET THE STRING THAT REPRESENTS THE PROCEDURE TYPE
    With Error_type
        Select Case .lngProcKind
        Case vbext_pk_Get
            .strProcKind = "Get"
        Case vbext_pk_Let
            .strProcKind = "Let"
        Case vbext_pk_Set
            .strProcKind = "Set"
        Case vbext_pk_Proc
            If InStr(.strProcDecl, "Sub") = 0 Then
                .strProcKind = "Function"
            Else
                .strProcKind = "Sub"
            End If
        Case Else
        End Select
    End with

    ...

End Function

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 9:03 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error Traps - Question for Colby

P.S.  If I comment out all the lines in the Select Case the app compiles OK.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: May 12, 2013 8:36 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Error Traps - Question for Colby

JC:
 
I'm using your error module builder to put error traps into an app for a
client.  I haven't used it for years but it always worked in the past.  Now
I'm getting a compile error in this new app
 
Compile error variable not defined.  and vbext_pk_Getis highlighted in

 
'GET THE STRING THAT REPRESENTS THE PROCEDURE TYPE
        Select Case .lngProcKind
        Case vbext_pk_Get
            .strProcKind = "Get"
        Case vbext_pk_Let
            .strProcKind = "Let"
        Case vbext_pk_Set
            .strProcKind = "Set"
        Case vbext_pk_Proc
            If InStr(.strProcDecl, "Sub") = 0 Then
                .strProcKind = "Function"
            Else
                .strProcKind = "Sub"
            End If
        Case Else
        End Select

But I can't find any other reference to vbext_pk_Get even in an old app
where the code works and compiles correctly.
 
Do yo know what might be the problem?
 
Thanks and regards,
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Sun May 12 13:16:00 2013
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 11:16:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Error Traps - Question for Colby
In-Reply-To: <742B3531F0C748C0AE0D48E1CA835E6D@HAL9007>
References: <631FF8C6018B4C0088304D54B77A3CFB@HAL9007>
	<742B3531F0C748C0AE0D48E1CA835E6D@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <003101ce4f3c$c1b54ec0$451fec40$@cox.net>

Rocky,

Try the one in MZTools. Works great out of the box and you can customize the
template if you want.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 9:03 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error Traps - Question for Colby

P.S.  If I comment out all the lines in the Select Case the app compiles OK.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: May 12, 2013 8:36 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Error Traps - Question for Colby

JC:
 
I'm using your error module builder to put error traps into an app for a
client.  I haven't used it for years but it always worked in the past.  Now
I'm getting a compile error in this new app
 
Compile error variable not defined.  and vbext_pk_Getis highlighted in

 
'GET THE STRING THAT REPRESENTS THE PROCEDURE TYPE
        Select Case .lngProcKind
        Case vbext_pk_Get
            .strProcKind = "Get"
        Case vbext_pk_Let
            .strProcKind = "Let"
        Case vbext_pk_Set
            .strProcKind = "Set"
        Case vbext_pk_Proc
            If InStr(.strProcDecl, "Sub") = 0 Then
                .strProcKind = "Function"
            Else
                .strProcKind = "Sub"
            End If
        Case Else
        End Select

But I can't find any other reference to vbext_pk_Get even in an old app
where the code works and compiles correctly.
 
Do yo know what might be the problem?
 
Thanks and regards,
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From bill_patten at embarqmail.com  Sun May 12 13:30:23 2013
From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 11:30:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Error Traps - Question for Colby
In-Reply-To: <631FF8C6018B4C0088304D54B77A3CFB@HAL9007>
References: <631FF8C6018B4C0088304D54B77A3CFB@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <986E05A4962E47989770FAF89E134B01@BPCS>

Rocky,

Try setting references in the IDE to Microsoft Visual Basic 6.0 
Extensibility.

Bill

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From: Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 8:36 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Error Traps - Question for Colby

JC:

I'm using your error module builder to put error traps into an app for a
client.  I haven't used it for years but it always worked in the past.  Now
I'm getting a compile error in this new app

Compile error variable not defined.  and vbext_pk_Getis highlighted in


'GET THE STRING THAT REPRESENTS THE PROCEDURE TYPE
        Select Case .lngProcKind
        Case vbext_pk_Get
            .strProcKind = "Get"
        Case vbext_pk_Let
            .strProcKind = "Let"
        Case vbext_pk_Set
            .strProcKind = "Set"
        Case vbext_pk_Proc
            If InStr(.strProcDecl, "Sub") = 0 Then
                .strProcKind = "Function"
            Else
                .strProcKind = "Sub"
            End If
        Case Else
        End Select

But I can't find any other reference to vbext_pk_Get even in an old app
where the code works and compiles correctly.

Do yo know what might be the problem?

Thanks and regards,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/>
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sun May 12 13:36:36 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 14:36:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Error Traps - Question for Colby
In-Reply-To: <76A31C71F082433CB8B65CF2A3BCCB0E@HAL9007>
References: <631FF8C6018B4C0088304D54B77A3CFB@HAL9007>	<CAGuQ9V562obmj-0wKpbgdyhHgNKycbeBdrXW0o0P6crbN7N9QQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<76A31C71F082433CB8B65CF2A3BCCB0E@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <000601ce4f3f$a30dd610$e9298230$@gmail.com>

If you go to the app where they used to work, before and highlight one of
them and choose definition from the meny, you should see nothing if they are
in a library and not functions ... and thereafter, I would type F2 and see
if I can find them in any object models. My last check would be make a copy
of the application that worked, export and remove most of its modules, keep
that function, then begin turning off references to see at what point you
start getting asked by the compiler what they are, during debug operation.

I hate mysteries like this too, they can so easily ruin your day.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 12:49 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error Traps - Question for Colby

There's no reference to them but in the app where I used it before and it
compiles there's no reference there either.

A mystery.  Only JC knows...

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: May 12, 2013 9:25 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error Traps - Question for Colby

Should be easy enough to check that all those constants exist, and I would,
just to be safe.

Second, since you are checking equality, try putting Case is = vbext_pk_Get

On May 12, 2013 11:38 AM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
>
> JC:
>
> I'm using your error module builder to put error traps into an app for 
> a client.  I haven't used it for years but it always worked in the past.
 Now
> I'm getting a compile error in this new app
>
> Compile error variable not defined.  and vbext_pk_Getis highlighted in
>
>
> 'GET THE STRING THAT REPRESENTS THE PROCEDURE TYPE
>         Select Case .lngProcKind
>         Case vbext_pk_Get
>             .strProcKind = "Get"
>         Case vbext_pk_Let
>             .strProcKind = "Let"
>         Case vbext_pk_Set
>             .strProcKind = "Set"
>         Case vbext_pk_Proc
>             If InStr(.strProcDecl, "Sub") = 0 Then
>                 .strProcKind = "Function"
>             Else
>                 .strProcKind = "Sub"
>             End If
>         Case Else
>         End Select
>
> But I can't find any other reference to vbext_pk_Get even in an old 
> app where the code works and compiles correctly.
>
> Do yo know what might be the problem?
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com 
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun May 12 20:25:02 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 18:25:02 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Error Traps - Question for Colby
In-Reply-To: <003101ce4f3c$c1b54ec0$451fec40$@cox.net>
References: <631FF8C6018B4C0088304D54B77A3CFB@HAL9007><742B3531F0C748C0AE0D48E1CA835E6D@HAL9007>
	<003101ce4f3c$c1b54ec0$451fec40$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <D1DEEA59C18F40A5BF6DB90A684761A6@HAL9007>

Oh maaan.  I already customized Colby's to put up a message which can be
emailed and some other stuff.  MZTools = work.  But it'll be my fall back if
I can't get this to run.

Again, oddly, in another app where I used it, it compiles just fine.  I AM
missing something but don't know what.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: May 12, 2013 11:16 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error Traps - Question for Colby

Rocky,

Try the one in MZTools. Works great out of the box and you can customize the
template if you want.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 9:03 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error Traps - Question for Colby

P.S.  If I comment out all the lines in the Select Case the app compiles OK.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: May 12, 2013 8:36 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Error Traps - Question for Colby

JC:
 
I'm using your error module builder to put error traps into an app for a
client.  I haven't used it for years but it always worked in the past.  Now
I'm getting a compile error in this new app
 
Compile error variable not defined.  and vbext_pk_Getis highlighted in

 
'GET THE STRING THAT REPRESENTS THE PROCEDURE TYPE
        Select Case .lngProcKind
        Case vbext_pk_Get
            .strProcKind = "Get"
        Case vbext_pk_Let
            .strProcKind = "Let"
        Case vbext_pk_Set
            .strProcKind = "Set"
        Case vbext_pk_Proc
            If InStr(.strProcDecl, "Sub") = 0 Then
                .strProcKind = "Function"
            Else
                .strProcKind = "Sub"
            End If
        Case Else
        End Select

But I can't find any other reference to vbext_pk_Get even in an old app
where the code works and compiles correctly.
 
Do yo know what might be the problem?
 
Thanks and regards,
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun May 12 20:27:55 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 18:27:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Error Traps - Question for Colby
In-Reply-To: <986E05A4962E47989770FAF89E134B01@BPCS>
References: <631FF8C6018B4C0088304D54B77A3CFB@HAL9007>
	<986E05A4962E47989770FAF89E134B01@BPCS>
Message-ID: <991E046E449C4934824EACDF1305768F@HAL9007>

AHA!  5.3 extensibility because its A2K3, but don't know how I missed that -
thought I checked the references.  Anyway, it compiles.  Now to test if it
works like it always did. Which I'm sure it will.

Thanks

R 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten
Sent: May 12, 2013 11:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error Traps - Question for Colby

Rocky,

Try setting references in the IDE to Microsoft Visual Basic 6.0
Extensibility.

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 8:36 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Error Traps - Question for Colby

JC:

I'm using your error module builder to put error traps into an app for a
client.  I haven't used it for years but it always worked in the past.  Now
I'm getting a compile error in this new app

Compile error variable not defined.  and vbext_pk_Getis highlighted in


'GET THE STRING THAT REPRESENTS THE PROCEDURE TYPE
        Select Case .lngProcKind
        Case vbext_pk_Get
            .strProcKind = "Get"
        Case vbext_pk_Let
            .strProcKind = "Let"
        Case vbext_pk_Set
            .strProcKind = "Set"
        Case vbext_pk_Proc
            If InStr(.strProcDecl, "Sub") = 0 Then
                .strProcKind = "Function"
            Else
                .strProcKind = "Sub"
            End If
        Case Else
        End Select

But I can't find any other reference to vbext_pk_Get even in an old app
where the code works and compiles correctly.

Do yo know what might be the problem?

Thanks and regards,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/>
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun May 12 20:29:09 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 18:29:09 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Error Traps - Question for Colby
In-Reply-To: <000601ce4f3f$a30dd610$e9298230$@gmail.com>
References: <631FF8C6018B4C0088304D54B77A3CFB@HAL9007>	<CAGuQ9V562obmj-0wKpbgdyhHgNKycbeBdrXW0o0P6crbN7N9QQ@mail.gmail.com><76A31C71F082433CB8B65CF2A3BCCB0E@HAL9007>
	<000601ce4f3f$a30dd610$e9298230$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D7A73556B07B4CAAA459E029DFD3E22A@HAL9007>

Didn't ruin my day.  I just went away, played two gigs, came back ,found the
answer from this 'save-your-bacon-twice-a week' list. Now I'm ready to take
momma out to dinner.  All's well!

R


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
(VBACreations.Com)
Sent: May 12, 2013 11:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error Traps - Question for Colby

If you go to the app where they used to work, before and highlight one of
them and choose definition from the meny, you should see nothing if they are
in a library and not functions ... and thereafter, I would type F2 and see
if I can find them in any object models. My last check would be make a copy
of the application that worked, export and remove most of its modules, keep
that function, then begin turning off references to see at what point you
start getting asked by the compiler what they are, during debug operation.

I hate mysteries like this too, they can so easily ruin your day.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 12:49 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error Traps - Question for Colby

There's no reference to them but in the app where I used it before and it
compiles there's no reference there either.

A mystery.  Only JC knows...

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: May 12, 2013 9:25 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error Traps - Question for Colby

Should be easy enough to check that all those constants exist, and I would,
just to be safe.

Second, since you are checking equality, try putting Case is = vbext_pk_Get

On May 12, 2013 11:38 AM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
>
> JC:
>
> I'm using your error module builder to put error traps into an app for 
> a client.  I haven't used it for years but it always worked in the past.
 Now
> I'm getting a compile error in this new app
>
> Compile error variable not defined.  and vbext_pk_Getis highlighted in
>
>
> 'GET THE STRING THAT REPRESENTS THE PROCEDURE TYPE
>         Select Case .lngProcKind
>         Case vbext_pk_Get
>             .strProcKind = "Get"
>         Case vbext_pk_Let
>             .strProcKind = "Let"
>         Case vbext_pk_Set
>             .strProcKind = "Set"
>         Case vbext_pk_Proc
>             If InStr(.strProcDecl, "Sub") = 0 Then
>                 .strProcKind = "Function"
>             Else
>                 .strProcKind = "Sub"
>             End If
>         Case Else
>         End Select
>
> But I can't find any other reference to vbext_pk_Get even in an old 
> app where the code works and compiles correctly.
>
> Do yo know what might be the problem?
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com 
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sun May 12 21:20:09 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 22:20:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Error Traps - Question for Colby
In-Reply-To: <991E046E449C4934824EACDF1305768F@HAL9007>
References: <631FF8C6018B4C0088304D54B77A3CFB@HAL9007>
	<986E05A4962E47989770FAF89E134B01@BPCS>
	<991E046E449C4934824EACDF1305768F@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V5+yNhPdqMU-eo5bSD65+7pQu6nrR0bH3tSxkQ_yhW+qA@mail.gmail.com>

Well at least +one+ of the Bills on thos list were helpful to you!!
On May 12, 2013 9:28 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> AHA!  5.3 extensibility because its A2K3, but don't know how I missed that
> -
> thought I checked the references.  Anyway, it compiles.  Now to test if it
> works like it always did. Which I'm sure it will.
>
> Thanks
>
> R
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten
> Sent: May 12, 2013 11:30 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error Traps - Question for Colby
>
> Rocky,
>
> Try setting references in the IDE to Microsoft Visual Basic 6.0
> Extensibility.
>
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 8:36 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Error Traps - Question for Colby
>
> JC:
>
> I'm using your error module builder to put error traps into an app for a
> client.  I haven't used it for years but it always worked in the past.  Now
> I'm getting a compile error in this new app
>
> Compile error variable not defined.  and vbext_pk_Getis highlighted in
>
>
> 'GET THE STRING THAT REPRESENTS THE PROCEDURE TYPE
>         Select Case .lngProcKind
>         Case vbext_pk_Get
>             .strProcKind = "Get"
>         Case vbext_pk_Let
>             .strProcKind = "Let"
>         Case vbext_pk_Set
>             .strProcKind = "Set"
>         Case vbext_pk_Proc
>             If InStr(.strProcDecl, "Sub") = 0 Then
>                 .strProcKind = "Function"
>             Else
>                 .strProcKind = "Sub"
>             End If
>         Case Else
>         End Select
>
> But I can't find any other reference to vbext_pk_Get even in an old app
> where the code works and compiles correctly.
>
> Do yo know what might be the problem?
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/>
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sun May 12 21:22:21 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 22:22:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Error Traps - Question for Colby
In-Reply-To: <76A31C71F082433CB8B65CF2A3BCCB0E@HAL9007>
References: <631FF8C6018B4C0088304D54B77A3CFB@HAL9007>
	<CAGuQ9V562obmj-0wKpbgdyhHgNKycbeBdrXW0o0P6crbN7N9QQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<76A31C71F082433CB8B65CF2A3BCCB0E@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V66dB1FdenrNTb2JfFFrV-uGQ6tHUFZSMdCUArFOX2oZg@mail.gmail.com>

>
> A mystery.  Only JC knows...
>

J C is the answer? How convenient are those initiale, eh?

From jwcolby at gmail.com  Mon May 13 14:32:37 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 15:32:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Automating word
Message-ID: <51913FD5.1020105@gmail.com>

Pretty much sucks.

Sigh.

I have code that works now... if the query is a stored procedure pass through to SQL
Server.  If it is just a local query to a linked table in Access it fails with the very helpful 
error 5922 "Word was unable to open the data source".

Does anyone know the magic for switching between ODBC pass through queries and local queries?  It 
seems to have to do with the MailMerge.OpenDataSource parameters but I have spent hours futzing with 
this and I do have it working ... for pass through queries.

-- 
John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon May 13 15:42:40 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 16:42:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Automating word
In-Reply-To: <51913FD5.1020105@gmail.com>
References: <51913FD5.1020105@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hRpNan0vudu-6yAFsNQoO9wjwDj2-Q9r8U_Xjn+QBmsg@mail.gmail.com>

Short answer is No. Slightly longer answer is "Why would you want to
switch?" Drop-dead easy to do PTQs and if thBE is anything, MySQL,
PostGres, MS SQL, this is a no-brainer. So where is your problem? And why
would you want to support both local and PTQs? That makes absolutely no
sense to me. Commit or abdicate, and from then on the decisions are simple.
I'm very empatically in favour of PTQs, but I also realize that with
certain apps (badly designed, IMO) there is a need for local tables. So be
it.

Yes, there is some magic that can swtich, but that is so wrong that I
humbly request that you rethink the problem. There is IME no reason ever to
do this. I can show you the magic, which I wrote about 19 years ago, and it
sucks, and I have abandoned it about 17 years ago, and if you want to
implement it, you're an idiot. That is most emphatically NOT the way to go.

And in case any reader is interested, JC and I have met and are friends,
and so I can feel free to declare some of his thoughts idiocies without
causing offence or violence. To turn it around, JC has taught me an immense
amount about various subjects, and I visit his blog daily.

But now and then, we all get it wrong, and IMO this is one such instance of
the MyApp.Stoopids.() collection.

A.


On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 3:32 PM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> Pretty much sucks.
>
> Sigh.
>
> I have code that works now... if the query is a stored procedure pass
> through to SQL
> Server.  If it is just a local query to a linked table in Access it fails
> with the very helpful error 5922 "Word was unable to open the data source".
>
> Does anyone know the magic for switching between ODBC pass through queries
> and local queries?  It seems to have to do with the
> MailMerge.OpenDataSource parameters but I have spent hours futzing with
> this and I do have it working ... for pass through queries.
>
> --
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>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Mon May 13 16:33:12 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 17:33:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Automating word
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hRpNan0vudu-6yAFsNQoO9wjwDj2-Q9r8U_Xjn+QBmsg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <51913FD5.1020105@gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1hRpNan0vudu-6yAFsNQoO9wjwDj2-Q9r8U_Xjn+QBmsg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51915C18.7060807@gmail.com>

I developed the entire thing in SQL Server.  Got it entirely working.  Then I was informed that the 
server for production will not be ready for ... an unknown period and they need my changes NOW.

The original was really badly written by a "power user" and only ever 1/2 worked and it is so slow 
and does so little that they need it to fully work.  Since I can't use SQL Server for the data store 
I am writing a schizo app which does a compiler directive to cause the app to decide dynamically 
whether to run SQL Server (PTQ) or Access native.  Of course all of the SQL Server stuff just works.

Did you know...

That Word automation will work seamlessly with PTQs but fails with any Access native queries which 
use functions in them (Date() in a where clause etc) because ODBC (or Word) does not understand the 
non-standard SQL.  Apparently Access passes back the SQL itself to Word and since the query now 
contains embedded function calls, that SQL fails because of the ODBC layer.

Sigh.

So I take the Access query and use make table to make a temp table... on the theory that select * 
from MyTempTbl will work. Nope, word "can't find the data" or some such crap.  Still haven't figured 
that out.

Ohhhh soooo sucky...

Did you know that the SQL statement handed back to Word MUST be something like "SELECT * from 
[MyTblName]".  Word expects the square brackets and if you don't include them you end up with "can't 
find the table yTempTabl... yep, Word is trying to strip the square brackets off.  But of course all 
of the examples I find on the internet (including Microsoft's own) use a simple "SELECT * FROM 
MyTblName" (without the square brackets).

Ohhhhh sooooo sucky....

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 5/13/2013 4:42 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Short answer is No. Slightly longer answer is "Why would you want to
> switch?" Drop-dead easy to do PTQs and if thBE is anything, MySQL,
> PostGres, MS SQL, this is a no-brainer. So where is your problem? And why
> would you want to support both local and PTQs? That makes absolutely no
> sense to me. Commit or abdicate, and from then on the decisions are simple.
> I'm very empatically in favour of PTQs, but I also realize that with
> certain apps (badly designed, IMO) there is a need for local tables. So be
> it.
>
> Yes, there is some magic that can swtich, but that is so wrong that I
> humbly request that you rethink the problem. There is IME no reason ever to
> do this. I can show you the magic, which I wrote about 19 years ago, and it
> sucks, and I have abandoned it about 17 years ago, and if you want to
> implement it, you're an idiot. That is most emphatically NOT the way to go.
>
> And in case any reader is interested, JC and I have met and are friends,
> and so I can feel free to declare some of his thoughts idiocies without
> causing offence or violence. To turn it around, JC has taught me an immense
> amount about various subjects, and I visit his blog daily.
>
> But now and then, we all get it wrong, and IMO this is one such instance of
> the MyApp.Stoopids.() collection.
>
> A.
>
>
> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 3:32 PM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Pretty much sucks.
>>
>> Sigh.
>>
>> I have code that works now... if the query is a stored procedure pass
>> through to SQL
>> Server.  If it is just a local query to a linked table in Access it fails
>> with the very helpful error 5922 "Word was unable to open the data source".
>>
>> Does anyone know the magic for switching between ODBC pass through queries
>> and local queries?  It seems to have to do with the
>> MailMerge.OpenDataSource parameters but I have spent hours futzing with
>> this and I do have it working ... for pass through queries.
>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
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>>
>
>


From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon May 13 18:56:34 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 16:56:34 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Automating word
In-Reply-To: <51913FD5.1020105@gmail.com>
References: <51913FD5.1020105@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A42DD6C63EB74A779F13AF5E94A0953A@server2003>

Hi John:

As if you have not heard this before to, ad nauseum... PTQs are bad, ADO is
good and that was right in 1997 and it is right in 2013. :-) You can switch
back and forth with ease from MDB to a real SQL without shifting gears.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 12:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Automating word

Pretty much sucks.

Sigh.

I have code that works now... if the query is a stored procedure pass
through to SQL
Server.  If it is just a local query to a linked table in Access it fails
with the very helpful 
error 5922 "Word was unable to open the data source".

Does anyone know the magic for switching between ODBC pass through queries
and local queries?  It 
seems to have to do with the MailMerge.OpenDataSource parameters but I have
spent hours futzing with 
this and I do have it working ... for pass through queries.

-- 
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From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Mon May 13 23:38:29 2013
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 16:38:29 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Access SQL pass through query problem
Message-ID: <F35C4737E33A6543BC69DFB19CB5748F061954@bsserver.BondSoftware.local>

CROSS POSTED 

Neophyte question ... 

Windows 7.  Access 2010.  SQL Server2008R2.

In my ODBC Data Source I have set up a UserDSN and a SystemDSN, pointing
to the SQL back-end I'm reporting from (copy of customer's SQL back-end,
on my PC).

When I send the Access 2010 front end to the customer to test, the
LinkedTable Manager re-links to the SQL tables OK but the
PassThroughQueries fail.  I checked the PassThroughQuery Properties, and
the ODBC Connect String includes "ODBC;DSN=myName; ..." etc.  The PTQ is
coughing at the lack of resolution of 'myName'.

I checked at the customer site and they don't have any UserDSN or
SystemDSN set.  They are relying on a DSN file.  When they use the
LinkedTable manager it strips my 'DSN=' from the table re-connection ...
how do I cope with the same on PassThrough Queries?

Stephen Bond


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue May 14 17:18:57 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 18:18:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Error Traps - Question for Colby
In-Reply-To: <631FF8C6018B4C0088304D54B77A3CFB@HAL9007>
References: <631FF8C6018B4C0088304D54B77A3CFB@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAA_iUE8uP0WAoW+SWBkQ=MV-+vDcBfnppCdLiR7POQuGxheLWA@mail.gmail.com>

No and i haven't used it in years

On Sunday, May 12, 2013, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
> JC:
>
> I'm using your error module builder to put error traps into an app for a
> client.  I haven't used it for years but it always worked in the past.
 Now
> I'm getting a compile error in this new app
>
> Compile error variable not defined.  and vbext_pk_Getis highlighted in
>
>
> 'GET THE STRING THAT REPRESENTS THE PROCEDURE TYPE
>         Select Case .lngProcKind
>         Case vbext_pk_Get
>             .strProcKind = "Get"
>         Case vbext_pk_Let
>             .strProcKind = "Let"
>         Case vbext_pk_Set
>             .strProcKind = "Set"
>         Case vbext_pk_Proc
>             If InStr(.strProcDecl, "Sub") = 0 Then
>                 .strProcKind = "Function"
>             Else
>                 .strProcKind = "Sub"
>             End If
>         Case Else
>         End Select
>
> But I can't find any other reference to vbext_pk_Get even in an old app
> where the code works and compiles correctly.
>
> Do yo know what might be the problem?
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/>
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Tue May 14 22:13:36 2013
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 13:13:36 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access SQL pass through query problem
In-Reply-To: <F35C4737E33A6543BC69DFB19CB5748F061954@bsserver.BondSoftware.local>
References: <F35C4737E33A6543BC69DFB19CB5748F061954@bsserver.BondSoftware.local>
Message-ID: <02cb01ce511a$327fa9f0$977efdd0$@activebilling.com.au>

Hi Stephen

Have you tried using DNSless connection routines?
I have a sample dB if you'd like to see it.
And some cool code for creating grids on the fly based on the query result
set fields
To get it to run you need 
SQLServer IP address or SQLServerName
SQL dB name:
Uname:
Pwd:
Lemme know if you like to see it

Darren
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Bond
Sent: Tuesday, 14 May 2013 2:38 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Access SQL pass through query problem

CROSS POSTED 

Neophyte question ... 

Windows 7.  Access 2010.  SQL Server2008R2.

In my ODBC Data Source I have set up a UserDSN and a SystemDSN, pointing to
the SQL back-end I'm reporting from (copy of customer's SQL back-end, on my
PC).

When I send the Access 2010 front end to the customer to test, the
LinkedTable Manager re-links to the SQL tables OK but the PassThroughQueries
fail.  I checked the PassThroughQuery Properties, and the ODBC Connect
String includes "ODBC;DSN=myName; ..." etc.  The PTQ is coughing at the lack
of resolution of 'myName'.

I checked at the customer site and they don't have any UserDSN or SystemDSN
set.  They are relying on a DSN file.  When they use the LinkedTable manager
it strips my 'DSN=' from the table re-connection ...
how do I cope with the same on PassThrough Queries?

Stephen Bond

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From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Tue May 14 23:13:17 2013
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 16:13:17 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Access SQL pass through query problem
In-Reply-To: <9D7C314CFD784264A2B313DF23FD3A50@BondSoftware.local>
References: <F35C4737E33A6543BC69DFB19CB5748F061954@bsserver.BondSoftware.local>
	<9D7C314CFD784264A2B313DF23FD3A50@BondSoftware.local>
Message-ID: <F35C4737E33A6543BC69DFB19CB5748F06195F@bsserver.BondSoftware.local>

For sure, all help gratefully accepted.  I've been trying to break in to
real SQL Server stuff, not easy in a town of 45K at the bottom end of
nowhere.  Finally got the opportunity and I want to make it a good 'un.

Government pension here don't make you rich so ya jes keep boxin' on.
TIA

Stephen

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren
Sent: Wednesday, 15 May 2013 3:16 p.m.
To: Stephen
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access SQL pass through query problem

Hi Stephen

Have you tried using DNSless connection routines?
I have a sample dB if you'd like to see it.
And some cool code for creating grids on the fly based on the query
result
set fields
To get it to run you need 
SQLServer IP address or SQLServerName
SQL dB name:
Uname:
Pwd:
Lemme know if you like to see it

Darren
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Bond
Sent: Tuesday, 14 May 2013 2:38 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Access SQL pass through query problem

CROSS POSTED 

Neophyte question ... 

Windows 7.  Access 2010.  SQL Server2008R2.

In my ODBC Data Source I have set up a UserDSN and a SystemDSN, pointing
to
the SQL back-end I'm reporting from (copy of customer's SQL back-end, on
my
PC).

When I send the Access 2010 front end to the customer to test, the
LinkedTable Manager re-links to the SQL tables OK but the
PassThroughQueries
fail.  I checked the PassThroughQuery Properties, and the ODBC Connect
String includes "ODBC;DSN=myName; ..." etc.  The PTQ is coughing at the
lack
of resolution of 'myName'.

I checked at the customer site and they don't have any UserDSN or
SystemDSN
set.  They are relying on a DSN file.  When they use the LinkedTable
manager
it strips my 'DSN=' from the table re-connection ...
how do I cope with the same on PassThrough Queries?

Stephen Bond

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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Thu May 16 13:13:33 2013
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 14:13:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Quick question for confirmation
In-Reply-To: <F35C4737E33A6543BC69DFB19CB5748F06195F@bsserver.BondSoftware.local>
References: <F35C4737E33A6543BC69DFB19CB5748F061954@bsserver.BondSoftware.local>
	<9D7C314CFD784264A2B313DF23FD3A50@BondSoftware.local>
	<F35C4737E33A6543BC69DFB19CB5748F06195F@bsserver.BondSoftware.local>
Message-ID: <5194E98D0200006B0002D10A@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>

There is probably actually two question here. One I want to confirm something w/y'all, and then a 2nd is just something different that I am seeing...or actually not seeing...
 
First, I wrote this program probably 13-14 yrs ago, which our Hotline people use to track "clients." Hotline is the line you call when you're looking to do harm to yourself and others, and you are smart enough to ask for help first, so its been used 24 hrs/day, 7 days/wk, for all these years. I've tweaked a couple of things and made it work w/a couple different versions over the years, but now, for the first time, they are having the issue of only one person being able to use it at once.
 
I was really just picking up Access at the time I wrote this, so I think I just didn't have the whole "Front-End/Back-End" thing down. And, since then I've just had the attitude, "if it ain't broke..." and have just left it alone. 
 
But, they have two operators and they want them both using it. I told them, "It really wasn't designed for simultaneous use by multiple people. I know it DID work, but to be honest THAT is what the anomaly was, and not that it won't work now." I've explained to them that I can, relatively easily, make this a mutli-user program, and it would be relatively quick.
 
I just wanted to pick the brains of this group first though. Basically, I want to know the same thing they do...I just don't have an answer for them...WHY did this work, as a single MDB, for all these years, and now it just stops?
 
And here is question 2...I remoted into the 2nd user's PC and I had user 1 start the program. When I try to run it, not only will it not run, but it is the first time I've ever gotten NO response...no errors...nothing...like I'm clicking on a dead icon. I tried to run it right from the directory, taking the shortcut out of the mix and nothing. As soon as user 1 exits the program, I can enter normally again. 
 
I have always gotten an error when trying to run a program somebody is already in, and never received no feedback at all. What gives here?

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From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu May 16 13:19:56 2013
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 13:19:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Quick question for confirmation
In-Reply-To: <5194E98D0200006B0002D10A@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
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Your users don't have file creation rights in the directory folder where
the database resides. So it can't create the LDB lock file. That allows ONE
user to open the database but not a second one. Users need full file
creation, update and deletion rights for the directory the Access database
is in. Creation to make the LDB file and Deletion to delete the LDB file
when the last person closes it and Update to actually change the database.


On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 1:13 PM, John Clark <John.Clark at niagaracounty.com>wrote:

> There is probably actually two question here. One I want to confirm
> something w/y'all, and then a 2nd is just something different that I am
> seeing...or actually not seeing...
>
> First, I wrote this program probably 13-14 yrs ago, which our Hotline
> people use to track "clients." Hotline is the line you call when you're
> looking to do harm to yourself and others, and you are smart enough to ask
> for help first, so its been used 24 hrs/day, 7 days/wk, for all these
> years. I've tweaked a couple of things and made it work w/a couple
> different versions over the years, but now, for the first time, they are
> having the issue of only one person being able to use it at once.
>
> I was really just picking up Access at the time I wrote this, so I think I
> just didn't have the whole "Front-End/Back-End" thing down. And, since then
> I've just had the attitude, "if it ain't broke..." and have just left it
> alone.
>
> But, they have two operators and they want them both using it. I told
> them, "It really wasn't designed for simultaneous use by multiple people. I
> know it DID work, but to be honest THAT is what the anomaly was, and not
> that it won't work now." I've explained to them that I can, relatively
> easily, make this a mutli-user program, and it would be relatively quick.
>
> I just wanted to pick the brains of this group first though. Basically, I
> want to know the same thing they do...I just don't have an answer for
> them...WHY did this work, as a single MDB, for all these years, and now it
> just stops?
>
> And here is question 2...I remoted into the 2nd user's PC and I had user 1
> start the program. When I try to run it, not only will it not run, but it
> is the first time I've ever gotten NO response...no errors...nothing...like
> I'm clicking on a dead icon. I tried to run it right from the directory,
> taking the shortcut out of the mix and nothing. As soon as user 1 exits the
> program, I can enter normally again.
>
> I have always gotten an error when trying to run a program somebody is
> already in, and never received no feedback at all. What gives here?
>
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu May 16 13:34:51 2013
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 13:34:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Quick question for confirmation
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_p+MP4tBYSGVQ4a6icEuANmuFD_3UjFzROVPHkHtEoXn7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F35C4737E33A6543BC69DFB19CB5748F061954@bsserver.BondSoftware.local>
	<9D7C314CFD784264A2B313DF23FD3A50@BondSoftware.local>
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	<5194E98D0200006B0002D10A@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
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There is an option to open databases EXCLUSIVELY.  That could be the
problem as well I suppose. When somebody has the database open is there an
LDB file appearing in the folder along with the MDB file?

GK


On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:

> Your users don't have file creation rights in the directory folder where
> the database resides. So it can't create the LDB lock file. That allows ONE
> user to open the database but not a second one. Users need full file
> creation, update and deletion rights for the directory the Access database
> is in. Creation to make the LDB file and Deletion to delete the LDB file
> when the last person closes it and Update to actually change the database.
>
>
> On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 1:13 PM, John Clark <John.Clark at niagaracounty.com>wrote:
>
>> There is probably actually two question here. One I want to confirm
>> something w/y'all, and then a 2nd is just something different that I am
>> seeing...or actually not seeing...
>>
>> First, I wrote this program probably 13-14 yrs ago, which our Hotline
>> people use to track "clients." Hotline is the line you call when you're
>> looking to do harm to yourself and others, and you are smart enough to ask
>> for help first, so its been used 24 hrs/day, 7 days/wk, for all these
>> years. I've tweaked a couple of things and made it work w/a couple
>> different versions over the years, but now, for the first time, they are
>> having the issue of only one person being able to use it at once.
>>
>> I was really just picking up Access at the time I wrote this, so I think
>> I just didn't have the whole "Front-End/Back-End" thing down. And, since
>> then I've just had the attitude, "if it ain't broke..." and have just left
>> it alone.
>>
>> But, they have two operators and they want them both using it. I told
>> them, "It really wasn't designed for simultaneous use by multiple people. I
>> know it DID work, but to be honest THAT is what the anomaly was, and not
>> that it won't work now." I've explained to them that I can, relatively
>> easily, make this a mutli-user program, and it would be relatively quick.
>>
>> I just wanted to pick the brains of this group first though. Basically, I
>> want to know the same thing they do...I just don't have an answer for
>> them...WHY did this work, as a single MDB, for all these years, and now it
>> just stops?
>>
>> And here is question 2...I remoted into the 2nd user's PC and I had user
>> 1 start the program. When I try to run it, not only will it not run, but it
>> is the first time I've ever gotten NO response...no errors...nothing...like
>> I'm clicking on a dead icon. I tried to run it right from the directory,
>> taking the shortcut out of the mix and nothing. As soon as user 1 exits the
>> program, I can enter normally again.
>>
>> I have always gotten an error when trying to run a program somebody is
>> already in, and never received no feedback at all. What gives here?
>>
>> Notice: This electronic transmission is intended for the sole use of the
>> individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential,
>> privileged or otherwise legally protected information. If you are not the
>> intended recipient, or if you believe you are not the intended recipient,
>> you are hereby notified that any use, disclosure, copying, distribution, or
>> the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this information,
>> is strictly prohibited. Niagara County is not responsible for the content
>> of any external hyperlink referenced in this email or any email.
>> IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS TRANSMISSION IN ERROR, PLEASE NOTIFY THE SENDER
>> IMMEDIATELY BY EMAIL AND DELETE THE ORIGINAL MESSAGE ALONG WITH ANY PAPER
>> OR ELECTRONIC COPIES.
>> Thank you for your cooperation.
>>
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>>
>>
>
>
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>



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Gary Kjos
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From davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com  Thu May 16 14:03:20 2013
From: davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com (David A Gibson)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 14:03:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Quick question for confirmation
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I've put together several DBs for multiple users that have functioned well
when being accessed by PCs.  We had trouble when we allowed Macs to access
them as they sometimes corrupted the DBs and caused data loss.  I currently
use Win 7 64/bit with MS Office 2010.

You can open a DB exclusively but that goes through a dialogue where the
operator has to consciously check a box.  File permissions is a more likely
culprit  for your single user issue.  

What version was this written in and has it been upgraded since?

David Gibson

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 1:14 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Quick question for confirmation

There is probably actually two question here. One I want to confirm
something w/y'all, and then a 2nd is just something different that I am
seeing...or actually not seeing...
 
First, I wrote this program probably 13-14 yrs ago, which our Hotline people
use to track "clients." Hotline is the line you call when you're looking to
do harm to yourself and others, and you are smart enough to ask for help
first, so its been used 24 hrs/day, 7 days/wk, for all these years. I've
tweaked a couple of things and made it work w/a couple different versions
over the years, but now, for the first time, they are having the issue of
only one person being able to use it at once.
 
I was really just picking up Access at the time I wrote this, so I think I
just didn't have the whole "Front-End/Back-End" thing down. And, since then
I've just had the attitude, "if it ain't broke..." and have just left it
alone. 
 
But, they have two operators and they want them both using it. I told them,
"It really wasn't designed for simultaneous use by multiple people. I know
it DID work, but to be honest THAT is what the anomaly was, and not that it
won't work now." I've explained to them that I can, relatively easily, make
this a mutli-user program, and it would be relatively quick.
 
I just wanted to pick the brains of this group first though. Basically, I
want to know the same thing they do...I just don't have an answer for
them...WHY did this work, as a single MDB, for all these years, and now it
just stops?
 
And here is question 2...I remoted into the 2nd user's PC and I had user 1
start the program. When I try to run it, not only will it not run, but it is
the first time I've ever gotten NO response...no errors...nothing...like I'm
clicking on a dead icon. I tried to run it right from the directory, taking
the shortcut out of the mix and nothing. As soon as user 1 exits the
program, I can enter normally again. 
 
I have always gotten an error when trying to run a program somebody is
already in, and never received no feedback at all. What gives here?

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu May 16 16:07:12 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 07:07:12 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Quick question for confirmation
In-Reply-To: <021601ce5268$08878a60$19969f20$@gmail.com>
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	<021601ce5268$08878a60$19969f20$@gmail.com>
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Yep, I'd suspect file permissions too.

Has anyone moved the application or messaed around with the file system recently?


On 16 May 2013 at 14:03, David A Gibson wrote:

> I've put together several DBs for multiple users that have functioned well
> when being accessed by PCs.  We had trouble when we allowed Macs to access
> them as they sometimes corrupted the DBs and caused data loss.  I currently
> use Win 7 64/bit with MS Office 2010.
> 
> You can open a DB exclusively but that goes through a dialogue where the
> operator has to consciously check a box.  File permissions is a more likely
> culprit  for your single user issue.  
> 
> What version was this written in and has it been upgraded since?
> 
> David Gibson
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 1:14 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Quick question for confirmation
> 
> There is probably actually two question here. One I want to confirm
> something w/y'all, and then a 2nd is just something different that I am
> seeing...or actually not seeing...
>  
> First, I wrote this program probably 13-14 yrs ago, which our Hotline people
> use to track "clients." Hotline is the line you call when you're looking to
> do harm to yourself and others, and you are smart enough to ask for help
> first, so its been used 24 hrs/day, 7 days/wk, for all these years. I've
> tweaked a couple of things and made it work w/a couple different versions
> over the years, but now, for the first time, they are having the issue of
> only one person being able to use it at once.
>  
> I was really just picking up Access at the time I wrote this, so I think I
> just didn't have the whole "Front-End/Back-End" thing down. And, since then
> I've just had the attitude, "if it ain't broke..." and have just left it
> alone. 
>  
> But, they have two operators and they want them both using it. I told them,
> "It really wasn't designed for simultaneous use by multiple people. I know
> it DID work, but to be honest THAT is what the anomaly was, and not that it
> won't work now." I've explained to them that I can, relatively easily, make
> this a mutli-user program, and it would be relatively quick.
>  
> I just wanted to pick the brains of this group first though. Basically, I
> want to know the same thing they do...I just don't have an answer for
> them...WHY did this work, as a single MDB, for all these years, and now it
> just stops?
>  
> And here is question 2...I remoted into the 2nd user's PC and I had user 1
> start the program. When I try to run it, not only will it not run, but it is
> the first time I've ever gotten NO response...no errors...nothing...like I'm
> clicking on a dead icon. I tried to run it right from the directory, taking
> the shortcut out of the mix and nothing. As soon as user 1 exits the
> program, I can enter normally again. 
>  
> I have always gotten an error when trying to run a program somebody is
> already in, and never received no feedback at all. What gives here?
> 
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> individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential,
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From kathryn at bassett.net  Thu May 16 18:09:41 2013
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 16:09:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Totals on a report?
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YfCgAAAEAAAAOSHtkeO3+5InFExOkPvyFQBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>

Access 2010

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0nbj0oq6k2ypqti/50th%20attendance.pdf  The report
is based on a query called "50th attendance". 

I have a query called "Attendance with all totals - no report" that tells me
there are 42 Fri, 51 Sat, and 38 Sun. On the last page of the "50th
attendance" report, I want those totals. Is that possible, and if so, how?

--
Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net?? 




From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu May 16 18:22:09 2013
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 18:22:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Totals on a report?
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I would create a sub report based on that query and put that sub report in
the report footer.

GK

On Thursday, May 16, 2013, Kathryn Bassett <kathryn at bassett.net> wrote:
> Access 2010
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/0nbj0oq6k2ypqti/50th%20attendance.pdf  The
report
> is based on a query called "50th attendance".
>
> I have a query called "Attendance with all totals - no report" that tells
me
> there are 42 Fri, 51 Sat, and 38 Sun. On the last page of the "50th
> attendance" report, I want those totals. Is that possible, and if so, how?
>
> --
> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net
>
>
>
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From kathryn at bassett.net  Thu May 16 22:43:45 2013
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 20:43:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Totals on a report?
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pK5gjSWZugF5=ikB4Pps8sXvxHzbGgy2v=jSurOjH1S-Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Yeah! Took me some searching, but I finally found out how to make a sub
report and include it. Thanks a bunch for the tip.
Kathryn

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: 16 May 2013 4:22 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Totals on a report?
> 
> I would create a sub report based on that query and put that sub report in
> the report footer.
> 
> GK
> 
> On Thursday, May 16, 2013, Kathryn Bassett <kathryn at bassett.net> wrote:
> > Access 2010
> >
> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/0nbj0oq6k2ypqti/50th%20attendance.pdf
> The
> report
> > is based on a query called "50th attendance".
> >
> > I have a query called "Attendance with all totals - no report" that
> > tells
> me
> > there are 42 Fri, 51 Sat, and 38 Sun. On the last page of the "50th
> > attendance" report, I want those totals. Is that possible, and if so,
how?
> >
> > --
> > Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is
> > my soap"
> > kathryn at bassett.net
> > http://bassett.net
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> >
> 
> --
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri May 17 00:22:18 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 15:22:18 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Totals on a report?
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Message-ID: <5195BE8A.4333.8B1D33@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

In the report footer,place three textboxes below the three Attend columns

=SUM([Attend Friday]) 
=SUM([Attend Dinner Sat]) 
=SUM([Attend Sunday]) 

(Or whatever the field names are for those three columns.)

-- 
Stuart

On 16 May 2013 at 16:09, Kathryn Bassett wrote:

> Access 2010
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/0nbj0oq6k2ypqti/50th%20attendance.pdf  The report
> is based on a query called "50th attendance". 
> 
> I have a query called "Attendance with all totals - no report" that tells me
> there are 42 Fri, 51 Sat, and 38 Sun. On the last page of the "50th
> attendance" report, I want those totals. Is that possible, and if so, how?
> 
> --
> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net?? 
> 
> 
> 
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Mon May 20 12:52:19 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 13:52:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] dictionary vs collection
Message-ID: <519A62D3.30407@gmail.com>

A very good article.

http://www.experts-exchange.com/Software/Office_Productivity/Office_Suites/MS_Office/A_3391-Using-the-Dictionary-Class-in-VBA.html 


-- 
John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Mon May 20 18:38:10 2013
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 23:38:10 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] dictionary vs collection
In-Reply-To: <519A62D3.30407@gmail.com>
References: <519A62D3.30407@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B54BFB3BA0@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks John,

That is really useful.

Cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, 21 May 2013 3:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] dictionary vs collection

A very good article.

http://www.experts-exchange.com/Software/Office_Productivity/Office_Suites/MS_Office/A_3391-Using-the-Dictionary-Class-in-VBA.html 


-- 
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue May 21 10:48:02 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 11:48:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 - How to unfilter / unsort
Message-ID: <519B9732.90709@gmail.com>

When I open a table I can set a sort order on a column, but when I click the little arrow, there is 
no clear filter.  Well... it is n't a filter it is a sort.  But there is no "clear sort" either.  So...

When I sort a table (or query) on a column in the data grid, how do I clear the sort, short of 
closing the table without a save.

-- 
John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Tue May 21 11:13:03 2013
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 12:13:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 - How to unfilter / unsort
In-Reply-To: <519B9732.90709@gmail.com>
References: <519B9732.90709@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9801E7237BC8@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>

" the sort order of a table is undefined " So if you want to see it in a particular order you have to write a query.

Lambert

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Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 11:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 - How to unfilter / unsort

When I open a table I can set a sort order on a column, but when I click the little arrow, there is no clear filter.  Well... it is n't a filter it is a sort.  But there is no "clear sort" either.  So...

When I sort a table (or query) on a column in the data grid, how do I clear the sort, short of closing the table without a save.

--
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From davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com  Tue May 21 11:57:23 2013
From: davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com (David A Gibson)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 11:57:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 - How to unfilter / unsort
In-Reply-To: <519B9732.90709@gmail.com>
References: <519B9732.90709@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007c01ce5644$45444530$cfcccf90$@gmail.com>

Direct from the horse.

http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/access-help/undo-or-remove-a-sort-order-HP
005188308.aspx

To remove the current sort order in Datasheet view or Form view, on the
Records menu, click Remove Filter/Sort. This removes the current or saved
sort order of a table, query, or form.

David Gibson

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 - How to unfilter / unsort

When I open a table I can set a sort order on a column, but when I click the
little arrow, there is no clear filter.  Well... it is n't a filter it is a
sort.  But there is no "clear sort" either.  So...

When I sort a table (or query) on a column in the data grid, how do I clear
the sort, short of closing the table without a save.

--
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Reality is what refuses to go away
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From davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com  Tue May 21 12:01:40 2013
From: davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com (David A Gibson)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 12:01:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 - How to unfilter / unsort
In-Reply-To: <519B9732.90709@gmail.com>
References: <519B9732.90709@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007e01ce5644$dd80be50$98823af0$@gmail.com>

I don't know about Access 2007 but in 2010 there is a "Clear All Sorts"
button beneath the ascending and descending arrows.

David Gibson

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 - How to unfilter / unsort

When I open a table I can set a sort order on a column, but when I click the
little arrow, there is no clear filter.  Well... it is n't a filter it is a
sort.  But there is no "clear sort" either.  So...

When I sort a table (or query) on a column in the data grid, how do I clear
the sort, short of closing the table without a save.

--
John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

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From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue May 21 13:34:17 2013
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 13:34:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Quick question for confirmation
In-Reply-To: <5194E98D0200006B0002D10A@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
References: <F35C4737E33A6543BC69DFB19CB5748F061954@bsserver.BondSoftware.local>
	<9D7C314CFD784264A2B313DF23FD3A50@BondSoftware.local>
	<F35C4737E33A6543BC69DFB19CB5748F06195F@bsserver.BondSoftware.local>
	<5194E98D0200006B0002D10A@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
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So John Clark, did you get this fixed?

GK


On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 1:13 PM, John Clark <John.Clark at niagaracounty.com>wrote:

> There is probably actually two question here. One I want to confirm
> something w/y'all, and then a 2nd is just something different that I am
> seeing...or actually not seeing...
>
> First, I wrote this program probably 13-14 yrs ago, which our Hotline
> people use to track "clients." Hotline is the line you call when you're
> looking to do harm to yourself and others, and you are smart enough to ask
> for help first, so its been used 24 hrs/day, 7 days/wk, for all these
> years. I've tweaked a couple of things and made it work w/a couple
> different versions over the years, but now, for the first time, they are
> having the issue of only one person being able to use it at once.
>
> I was really just picking up Access at the time I wrote this, so I think I
> just didn't have the whole "Front-End/Back-End" thing down. And, since then
> I've just had the attitude, "if it ain't broke..." and have just left it
> alone.
>
> But, they have two operators and they want them both using it. I told
> them, "It really wasn't designed for simultaneous use by multiple people. I
> know it DID work, but to be honest THAT is what the anomaly was, and not
> that it won't work now." I've explained to them that I can, relatively
> easily, make this a mutli-user program, and it would be relatively quick.
>
> I just wanted to pick the brains of this group first though. Basically, I
> want to know the same thing they do...I just don't have an answer for
> them...WHY did this work, as a single MDB, for all these years, and now it
> just stops?
>
> And here is question 2...I remoted into the 2nd user's PC and I had user 1
> start the program. When I try to run it, not only will it not run, but it
> is the first time I've ever gotten NO response...no errors...nothing...like
> I'm clicking on a dead icon. I tried to run it right from the directory,
> taking the shortcut out of the mix and nothing. As soon as user 1 exits the
> program, I can enter normally again.
>
> I have always gotten an error when trying to run a program somebody is
> already in, and never received no feedback at all. What gives here?
>
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue May 21 14:16:39 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 15:16:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 - How to unfilter / unsort
In-Reply-To: <007e01ce5644$dd80be50$98823af0$@gmail.com>
References: <519B9732.90709@gmail.com>
	<007e01ce5644$dd80be50$98823af0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <519BC817.2020905@gmail.com>

I wasn't looking in the toolbar.

Notice that you have to be in the home toolbar to even see that.

Access 2007 (and above) is just clumsy to do real development in. I have been using it exclusively 
for almost 4 months now and still hate it.  Which toolbar was that XYZ in again?  Hmmm... let's 
click through all of them and look for it.  Oh and what exactly am I looking for anyway?

Can you say major suckage?

I can filter in the grid and clear the filter in the grid (right click menu).  I expected that since 
I could sort right in the grid, I could clear the sort right in the grid.  Uhhhh no.

Can you say major suckage?

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 5/21/2013 1:01 PM, David A Gibson wrote:
> I don't know about Access 2007 but in 2010 there is a "Clear All Sorts"
> button beneath the ascending and descending arrows.
>
> David Gibson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:48 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 - How to unfilter / unsort
>
> When I open a table I can set a sort order on a column, but when I click the
> little arrow, there is no clear filter.  Well... it is n't a filter it is a
> sort.  But there is no "clear sort" either.  So...
>
> When I sort a table (or query) on a column in the data grid, how do I clear
> the sort, short of closing the table without a save.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Tue May 21 14:35:39 2013
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 12:35:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 - How to unfilter / unsort
In-Reply-To: <519BC817.2020905@gmail.com>
References: <519B9732.90709@gmail.com>
	<007e01ce5644$dd80be50$98823af0$@gmail.com>
	<519BC817.2020905@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWY_ovAVmSJ8y29uk4Y0_QibCk0HQaY8a8QpykvsXBO3PA@mail.gmail.com>

2010 is better, but still sucks in that regard.

I effing hate how print/print-preview (in both Excel and Access) takes you
to a different tab (File) .
The file menu should be a drop down menu, not a change of tabs (IMO).

D


On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 12:16 PM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> I wasn't looking in the toolbar.
>
> Notice that you have to be in the home toolbar to even see that.
>
> Access 2007 (and above) is just clumsy to do real development in. I have
> been using it exclusively for almost 4 months now and still hate it.  Which
> toolbar was that XYZ in again?  Hmmm... let's click through all of them and
> look for it.  Oh and what exactly am I looking for anyway?
>
> Can you say major suckage?
>
> I can filter in the grid and clear the filter in the grid (right click
> menu).  I expected that since I could sort right in the grid, I could clear
> the sort right in the grid.  Uhhhh no.
>
> Can you say major suckage?
>
>
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 5/21/2013 1:01 PM, David A Gibson wrote:
>
>> I don't know about Access 2007 but in 2010 there is a "Clear All Sorts"
>> button beneath the ascending and descending arrows.
>>
>> David Gibson
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>> On Behalf Of John W Colby
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:48 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 - How to unfilter / unsort
>>
>> When I open a table I can set a sort order on a column, but when I click
>> the
>> little arrow, there is no clear filter.  Well... it is n't a filter it is
>> a
>> sort.  But there is no "clear sort" either.  So...
>>
>> When I sort a table (or query) on a column in the data grid, how do I
>> clear
>> the sort, short of closing the table without a save.
>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> --
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>>
>>
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Tue May 21 15:27:28 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 16:27:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Simple Query is being driven by Column Widths rather than
	Bound Column
Message-ID: <013a01ce5661$9e2f27b0$da8d7710$@gmail.com>

This is driving me a little crazy, I know it is so basic and yet I am
drawing a blank. I am setting up a Customer table with a State/Province
field that looks up 002_State table. The field Lookup details are
	SELECT [StateID], [StateName] FROM 002_State; ColumnCount = 2; Bound
Column   1; Column Widths = 0";3"


When I run a query	SELECT [State/Province] From [Customer]
 
I see the statename value 'California' instead of the StateID value of 5.

I would think queries would show the bound column's value regardless of the
Column Widths property of the table field (as opposed to combo boxes and
reports, which I know do make use of those properties.

I checked via recordsets, and the value does appear to be 5, despite what
the query shows.


Sub check()
Dim r As DAO.Recordset, r2 As DAO.Recordset
Dim d As Database
Set d = CurrentDb
Set r = d.OpenRecordset("SELECT Customers.[State/Province] FROM Customers")
r.MoveFirst
If Not r.EOF Then
    Set r2 = d.OpenRecordset("Select StateName from 002_State where StateID
= " & r.Fields(0))
    r2.MoveFirst
    If Not r2.EOF Then
        Debug.Print "The first state in the Customer table:" & Chr(13) &
Chr(13) & "Field: " & _
            r.Fields(0).Name & " has Value = " & _
            r.Fields(0) & ", is of Type = " & _
            r.Fields(0).Type & ", and represents the state of " & _
            r2.Fields(0) & "' "
    End If
End If
End Sub

'The first state in the Customer table:

'Field: State/Province has Value = 5, is of Type = 4, and represents the
state of California'


From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Tue May 21 15:30:24 2013
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 16:30:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Simple Query is being driven by Column Widths rather
 than Bound Column
In-Reply-To: <013a01ce5661$9e2f27b0$da8d7710$@gmail.com>
References: <013a01ce5661$9e2f27b0$da8d7710$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAsmnZJ8z=WoNqrduwdrSE7VvjaSshfH6nwVoCWLf16gLg@mail.gmail.com>

??? Bound Column 0 <--- first field

On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 4:27 PM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) <
vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is driving me a little crazy, I know it is so basic and yet I am
> drawing a blank. I am setting up a Customer table with a State/Province
> field that looks up 002_State table. The field Lookup details are
>         SELECT [StateID], [StateName] FROM 002_State; ColumnCount = 2;
> Bound
> Column   1; Column Widths = 0";3"
>
>
> When I run a query      SELECT [State/Province] From [Customer]
>
> I see the statename value 'California' instead of the StateID value of 5.
>
> I would think queries would show the bound column's value regardless of the
> Column Widths property of the table field (as opposed to combo boxes and
> reports, which I know do make use of those properties.
>
> I checked via recordsets, and the value does appear to be 5, despite what
> the query shows.
>
>
> Sub check()
> Dim r As DAO.Recordset, r2 As DAO.Recordset
> Dim d As Database
> Set d = CurrentDb
> Set r = d.OpenRecordset("SELECT Customers.[State/Province] FROM Customers")
> r.MoveFirst
> If Not r.EOF Then
>     Set r2 = d.OpenRecordset("Select StateName from 002_State where StateID
> = " & r.Fields(0))
>     r2.MoveFirst
>     If Not r2.EOF Then
>         Debug.Print "The first state in the Customer table:" & Chr(13) &
> Chr(13) & "Field: " & _
>             r.Fields(0).Name & " has Value = " & _
>             r.Fields(0) & ", is of Type = " & _
>             r.Fields(0).Type & ", and represents the state of " & _
>             r2.Fields(0) & "' "
>     End If
> End If
> End Sub
>
> 'The first state in the Customer table:
>
> 'Field: State/Province has Value = 5, is of Type = 4, and represents the
> state of California'
>
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue May 21 15:56:40 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 16:56:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 - How to unfilter / unsort
In-Reply-To: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9801E7237BC8@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
References: <519B9732.90709@gmail.com>
	<F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9801E7237BC8@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <519BDF88.4020507@gmail.com>

" the sort order of a table is undefined"

True

So if you want to see it in a particular order you have to write a query.

Not true and never has been.  You can go directly into a table, click on the field header and 
execute a sort which will sort ascending / descending on that column.  This is just Access "helpful 
stuff" that has always been around.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 5/21/2013 12:13 PM, Heenan, Lambert wrote:
> " the sort order of a table is undefined " So if you want to see it in a particular order you have to write a query.
>
> Lambert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 11:48 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 - How to unfilter / unsort
>
> When I open a table I can set a sort order on a column, but when I click the little arrow, there is no clear filter.  Well... it is n't a filter it is a sort.  But there is no "clear sort" either.  So...
>
> When I sort a table (or query) on a column in the data grid, how do I clear the sort, short of closing the table without a save.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> --
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Tue May 21 16:03:17 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 17:03:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Simple Query is being driven by Column Widths rather
	than Bound Column
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAsmnZJ8z=WoNqrduwdrSE7VvjaSshfH6nwVoCWLf16gLg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <013a01ce5661$9e2f27b0$da8d7710$@gmail.com>
	<CAKvidAsmnZJ8z=WoNqrduwdrSE7VvjaSshfH6nwVoCWLf16gLg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <015d01ce5666$9eb57c70$dc207550$@gmail.com>

I thought so too, but that would cause the listindex, rather than the value
of the item in the 1st column of the rowsource.

When I look up BoundColumn property in Access help online, at least for
controls, Help says:


(Default is 1) The value in the specified column becomes the control's
value. If the control is bound to a field, then this setting is stored in
that field in the current record. The BoundColumn property can't be set to a
value larger than the setting of the ColumnCount property.

Anyway, it doesn't change the result in the query to make that either 0 or 1
in the table, I still see California instead of 5.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack drawbridge
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 4:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Simple Query is being driven by Column Widths rather
than Bound Column

??? Bound Column 0 <--- first field

On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 4:27 PM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) <
vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is driving me a little crazy, I know it is so basic and yet I am 
> drawing a blank. I am setting up a Customer table with a 
> State/Province field that looks up 002_State table. The field Lookup
details are
>         SELECT [StateID], [StateName] FROM 002_State; ColumnCount = 2; 
> Bound
> Column   1; Column Widths = 0";3"
>
>
> When I run a query      SELECT [State/Province] From [Customer]
>
> I see the statename value 'California' instead of the StateID value of 5.
>
> I would think queries would show the bound column's value regardless 
> of the Column Widths property of the table field (as opposed to combo 
> boxes and reports, which I know do make use of those properties.
>
> I checked via recordsets, and the value does appear to be 5, despite 
> what the query shows.
>
>
> Sub check()
> Dim r As DAO.Recordset, r2 As DAO.Recordset Dim d As Database Set d = 
> CurrentDb Set r = d.OpenRecordset("SELECT Customers.[State/Province] 
> FROM Customers") r.MoveFirst If Not r.EOF Then
>     Set r2 = d.OpenRecordset("Select StateName from 002_State where 
> StateID = " & r.Fields(0))
>     r2.MoveFirst
>     If Not r2.EOF Then
>         Debug.Print "The first state in the Customer table:" & Chr(13) 
> &
> Chr(13) & "Field: " & _
>             r.Fields(0).Name & " has Value = " & _
>             r.Fields(0) & ", is of Type = " & _
>             r.Fields(0).Type & ", and represents the state of " & _
>             r2.Fields(0) & "' "
>     End If
> End If
> End Sub
>
> 'The first state in the Customer table:
>
> 'Field: State/Province has Value = 5, is of Type = 4, and represents 
> the state of California'
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue May 21 17:11:37 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 08:11:37 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Simple Query is being driven by Column Widths rather
	than Bound Column
In-Reply-To: <013a01ce5661$9e2f27b0$da8d7710$@gmail.com>
References: <013a01ce5661$9e2f27b0$da8d7710$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <519BF119.8602.18C07EA3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

It has always been thus and is one of the many reasons not to set the Lookup/Display Control  
in the table definition.   

The datasheet uses that setting to decide how to display that field -  both when viewing the 
table data directly and when displaying that field in any query.

The only solution is to set the Lookup/Display Control back to Textbox


-- 
Stuart

On 21 May 2013 at 16:27, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote:

> This is driving me a little crazy, I know it is so basic and yet I am
> drawing a blank. I am setting up a Customer table with a State/Province
> field that looks up 002_State table. The field Lookup details are
> 	SELECT [StateID], [StateName] FROM 002_State; ColumnCount = 2; Bound
> Column   1; Column Widths = 0";3"
> 
> 
> When I run a query	SELECT [State/Province] From [Customer]
>  
> I see the statename value 'California' instead of the StateID value of 5.
> 
> I would think queries would show the bound column's value regardless of the
> Column Widths property of the table field (as opposed to combo boxes and
> reports, which I know do make use of those properties.
> 
> I checked via recordsets, and the value does appear to be 5, despite what
> the query shows.
> 
> 
> Sub check()
> Dim r As DAO.Recordset, r2 As DAO.Recordset
> Dim d As Database
> Set d = CurrentDb
> Set r = d.OpenRecordset("SELECT Customers.[State/Province] FROM Customers")
> r.MoveFirst
> If Not r.EOF Then
>     Set r2 = d.OpenRecordset("Select StateName from 002_State where StateID
> = " & r.Fields(0))
>     r2.MoveFirst
>     If Not r2.EOF Then
>         Debug.Print "The first state in the Customer table:" & Chr(13) &
> Chr(13) & "Field: " & _
>             r.Fields(0).Name & " has Value = " & _
>             r.Fields(0) & ", is of Type = " & _
>             r.Fields(0).Type & ", and represents the state of " & _
>             r2.Fields(0) & "' "
>     End If
> End If
> End Sub
> 
> 'The first state in the Customer table:
> 
> 'Field: State/Province has Value = 5, is of Type = 4, and represents the
> state of California'
> 
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Tue May 21 17:58:44 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 18:58:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Simple Query is being driven by Column Widths
	rather	than Bound Column
In-Reply-To: <519BF119.8602.18C07EA3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <013a01ce5661$9e2f27b0$da8d7710$@gmail.com>
	<519BF119.8602.18C07EA3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <019001ce5676$bf4b35f0$3de1a1d0$@gmail.com>

Ah, always glad to find out (at the beginning!) of a project when I am using
a worst practice!

Thanks Stuart, I have a smaller wound to lick than otherwise would have, had
you not spoken up promptly.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 6:12 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Simple Query is being driven by Column Widths rather
than Bound Column

It has always been thus and is one of the many reasons not to set the
Lookup/Display Control  
in the table definition.   

The datasheet uses that setting to decide how to display that field -  both
when viewing the table data directly and when displaying that field in any
query.

The only solution is to set the Lookup/Display Control back to Textbox


--
Stuart

On 21 May 2013 at 16:27, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote:

> This is driving me a little crazy, I know it is so basic and yet I am 
> drawing a blank. I am setting up a Customer table with a 
> State/Province field that looks up 002_State table. The field Lookup
details are
> 	SELECT [StateID], [StateName] FROM 002_State; ColumnCount = 2; Bound
> Column   1; Column Widths = 0";3"
> 
> 
> When I run a query	SELECT [State/Province] From [Customer]
>  
> I see the statename value 'California' instead of the StateID value of 5.
> 
> I would think queries would show the bound column's value regardless 
> of the Column Widths property of the table field (as opposed to combo 
> boxes and reports, which I know do make use of those properties.
> 
> I checked via recordsets, and the value does appear to be 5, despite 
> what the query shows.
> 
> 
> Sub check()
> Dim r As DAO.Recordset, r2 As DAO.Recordset Dim d As Database Set d = 
> CurrentDb Set r = d.OpenRecordset("SELECT Customers.[State/Province] 
> FROM Customers") r.MoveFirst If Not r.EOF Then
>     Set r2 = d.OpenRecordset("Select StateName from 002_State where 
> StateID = " & r.Fields(0))
>     r2.MoveFirst
>     If Not r2.EOF Then
>         Debug.Print "The first state in the Customer table:" & Chr(13) 
> &
> Chr(13) & "Field: " & _
>             r.Fields(0).Name & " has Value = " & _
>             r.Fields(0) & ", is of Type = " & _
>             r.Fields(0).Type & ", and represents the state of " & _
>             r2.Fields(0) & "' "
>     End If
> End If
> End Sub
> 
> 'The first state in the Customer table:
> 
> 'Field: State/Province has Value = 5, is of Type = 4, and represents 
> the state of California'
> 
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue May 21 23:43:48 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 00:43:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 - How to unfilter / unsort
In-Reply-To: <519BDF88.4020507@gmail.com>
References: <519B9732.90709@gmail.com>
	<F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9801E7237BC8@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
	<519BDF88.4020507@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iwTeTrmVq1PENd3pXj_7ZSZn32JzRuOOk+sna-wq=mAQ@mail.gmail.com>

JC.

Access 2007 (and above) is just clumsy to do real development in. I have
> been using it exclusively for almost 4 months now and still hate it.
 Which
> toolbar was that XYZ in again?  Hmmm... let's click through all of them
and
> look for it.  Oh and what exactly am I looking for anyway?

I could not disagree more. Yes, it does take a while to locate commands you
use frequently. But you do NOT have to click through the ribbon tabs to
locate them! Just hover the mouse on the ribbon and then use the wheel and
you'll quickly cycle through them, much more quickly than clicking. Try it.

I only happened upon this by accident, but having discovered it, I deem it
a huge advance over previous versions, all of which demanded clicks. This
technique, incidentally, works in all the Office products, not just Access.
It's invaluable in Word and Excel. I seldom if ever use PowerPoint,
InfoPath, etc. but assume that it's equally invaluable there.

A.


On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 4:56 PM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> " the sort order of a table is undefined"
>
> True
>
>
> So if you want to see it in a particular order you have to write a query.
>
> Not true and never has been.  You can go directly into a table, click on
> the field header and execute a sort which will sort ascending / descending
> on that column.  This is just Access "helpful stuff" that has always been
> around.
>
>
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 5/21/2013 12:13 PM, Heenan, Lambert wrote:
>
>> " the sort order of a table is undefined " So if you want to see it in a
>> particular order you have to write a query.
>>
>> Lambert
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>[mailto:
>> accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>> On Behalf Of John W Colby
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 11:48 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 - How to unfilter / unsort
>>
>> When I open a table I can set a sort order on a column, but when I click
>> the little arrow, there is no clear filter.  Well... it is n't a filter it
>> is a sort.  But there is no "clear sort" either.  So...
>>
>> When I sort a table (or query) on a column in the data grid, how do I
>> clear the sort, short of closing the table without a save.
>>
>> --
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>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
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From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Wed May 22 07:48:01 2013
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 08:48:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 - How to unfilter / unsort
In-Reply-To: <519BDF88.4020507@gmail.com>
References: <519B9732.90709@gmail.com>
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' Not true and never has been.  You can go directly into a table.." True, never has been a good idea. 

Of course I *know* that you never let your users get to see a table directly, that just bad practice/insanely dangerous to  data. And I know, as the experienced developer you are that you are fully aware of that. But developers make mistakes too. So I just try to stay away from displaying tables directly. I see you got your solution to the non-problem though. :-)

Lambert
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 4:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 - How to unfilter / unsort

" the sort order of a table is undefined"

True

So if you want to see it in a particular order you have to write a query.

Not true and never has been.  You can go directly into a table, click on the field header and execute a sort which will sort ascending / descending on that column.  This is just Access "helpful stuff" that has always been around.

John W. Colby


From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Wed May 22 07:54:27 2013
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 08:54:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Simple Query is being driven by Column Widths rather
 than Bound Column
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References: <013a01ce5661$9e2f27b0$da8d7710$@gmail.com>
	<519BF119.8602.18C07EA3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
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William, I'm glad Stuart picked up on the Table fields - I advise people
not to use Lookups at the table field level - and didn't realize that that
was what you were describing.
Here's the reference often quoted against the practice.
http://access.mvps.org/access/lookupfields.htm

Good luck.
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 6:58 PM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) <
vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ah, always glad to find out (at the beginning!) of a project when I am
> using
> a worst practice!
>
> Thanks Stuart, I have a smaller wound to lick than otherwise would have,
> had
> you not spoken up promptly.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 6:12 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Simple Query is being driven by Column Widths rather
> than Bound Column
>
> It has always been thus and is one of the many reasons not to set the
> Lookup/Display Control
> in the table definition.
>
> The datasheet uses that setting to decide how to display that field -  both
> when viewing the table data directly and when displaying that field in any
> query.
>
> The only solution is to set the Lookup/Display Control back to Textbox
>
>
> --
> Stuart
>
> On 21 May 2013 at 16:27, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote:
>
> > This is driving me a little crazy, I know it is so basic and yet I am
> > drawing a blank. I am setting up a Customer table with a
> > State/Province field that looks up 002_State table. The field Lookup
> details are
> >       SELECT [StateID], [StateName] FROM 002_State; ColumnCount = 2;
> Bound
> > Column   1; Column Widths = 0";3"
> >
> >
> > When I run a query    SELECT [State/Province] From [Customer]
> >
> > I see the statename value 'California' instead of the StateID value of 5.
> >
> > I would think queries would show the bound column's value regardless
> > of the Column Widths property of the table field (as opposed to combo
> > boxes and reports, which I know do make use of those properties.
> >
> > I checked via recordsets, and the value does appear to be 5, despite
> > what the query shows.
> >
> >
> > Sub check()
> > Dim r As DAO.Recordset, r2 As DAO.Recordset Dim d As Database Set d =
> > CurrentDb Set r = d.OpenRecordset("SELECT Customers.[State/Province]
> > FROM Customers") r.MoveFirst If Not r.EOF Then
> >     Set r2 = d.OpenRecordset("Select StateName from 002_State where
> > StateID = " & r.Fields(0))
> >     r2.MoveFirst
> >     If Not r2.EOF Then
> >         Debug.Print "The first state in the Customer table:" & Chr(13)
> > &
> > Chr(13) & "Field: " & _
> >             r.Fields(0).Name & " has Value = " & _
> >             r.Fields(0) & ", is of Type = " & _
> >             r.Fields(0).Type & ", and represents the state of " & _
> >             r2.Fields(0) & "' "
> >     End If
> > End If
> > End Sub
> >
> > 'The first state in the Customer table:
> >
> > 'Field: State/Province has Value = 5, is of Type = 4, and represents
> > the state of California'
> >
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed May 22 07:57:42 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 08:57:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 - How to unfilter / unsort
In-Reply-To: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9801E7237C26@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
References: <519B9732.90709@gmail.com>
	<F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9801E7237BC8@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
	<519BDF88.4020507@gmail.com>
	<F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9801E7237C26@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <519CC0C6.7020301@gmail.com>

LOL, right you are but this is ME doing this stuff.  And I absolutely allow ME to see the tables 
directly.  ;)

I am in development.  I am sorting a table to see newly created records etc.

I didn't mean to sound snippy.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 5/22/2013 8:48 AM, Heenan, Lambert wrote:
> ' Not true and never has been.  You can go directly into a table.." True, never has been a good idea.
>
> Of course I *know* that you never let your users get to see a table directly, that just bad practice/insanely dangerous to  data. And I know, as the experienced developer you are that you are fully aware of that. But developers make mistakes too. So I just try to stay away from displaying tables directly. I see you got your solution to the non-problem though. :-)
>
> Lambert
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 4:57 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 - How to unfilter / unsort
>
> " the sort order of a table is undefined"
>
> True
>
> So if you want to see it in a particular order you have to write a query.
>
> Not true and never has been.  You can go directly into a table, click on the field header and execute a sort which will sort ascending / descending on that column.  This is just Access "helpful stuff" that has always been around.
>
> John W. Colby
>


From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Wed May 22 08:00:15 2013
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 09:00:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 - How to unfilter / unsort
In-Reply-To: <519CC0C6.7020301@gmail.com>
References: <519B9732.90709@gmail.com>
	<F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9801E7237BC8@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
	<519BDF88.4020507@gmail.com>
	<F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9801E7237C26@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
	<519CC0C6.7020301@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9801E7237C27@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>

No problem John. Been reading your stuff long enough to know when you're *really* being snippy. :-)

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 8:58 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 - How to unfilter / unsort

LOL, right you are but this is ME doing this stuff.  And I absolutely allow ME to see the tables directly.  ;)

I am in development.  I am sorting a table to see newly created records etc.

I didn't mean to sound snippy.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 5/22/2013 8:48 AM, Heenan, Lambert wrote:
> ' Not true and never has been.  You can go directly into a table.." True, never has been a good idea.
>
> Of course I *know* that you never let your users get to see a table 
> directly, that just bad practice/insanely dangerous to  data. And I 
> know, as the experienced developer you are that you are fully aware of 
> that. But developers make mistakes too. So I just try to stay away 
> from displaying tables directly. I see you got your solution to the 
> non-problem though. :-)
>
> Lambert
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W 
> Colby
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 4:57 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 - How to unfilter / unsort
>
> " the sort order of a table is undefined"
>
> True
>
> So if you want to see it in a particular order you have to write a query.
>
> Not true and never has been.  You can go directly into a table, click on the field header and execute a sort which will sort ascending / descending on that column.  This is just Access "helpful stuff" that has always been around.
>
> John W. Colby
>

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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Wed May 22 12:35:32 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 13:35:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Simple Query is being driven by Column Widths rather
	than Bound Column
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAuk-CwOuS08qZBZ+7bT0iY+qnsdtMauPnDCmENvJwDrBQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <013a01ce5661$9e2f27b0$da8d7710$@gmail.com>	<519BF119.8602.18C07EA3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<019001ce5676$bf4b35f0$3de1a1d0$@gmail.com>
	<CAKvidAuk-CwOuS08qZBZ+7bT0iY+qnsdtMauPnDCmENvJwDrBQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003a01ce5712$c302c6d0$49085470$@gmail.com>

Thanks for that Jack!

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack drawbridge
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 8:54 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Simple Query is being driven by Column Widths rather
than Bound Column

William, I'm glad Stuart picked up on the Table fields - I advise people not
to use Lookups at the table field level - and didn't realize that that was
what you were describing.
Here's the reference often quoted against the practice.
http://access.mvps.org/access/lookupfields.htm

Good luck.
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 6:58 PM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) <
vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ah, always glad to find out (at the beginning!) of a project when I am 
> using a worst practice!
>
> Thanks Stuart, I have a smaller wound to lick than otherwise would 
> have, had you not spoken up promptly.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart 
> McLachlan
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 6:12 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Simple Query is being driven by Column Widths 
> rather than Bound Column
>
> It has always been thus and is one of the many reasons not to set the 
> Lookup/Display Control in the table definition.
>
> The datasheet uses that setting to decide how to display that field -  
> both when viewing the table data directly and when displaying that 
> field in any query.
>
> The only solution is to set the Lookup/Display Control back to Textbox
>
>
> --
> Stuart
>
> On 21 May 2013 at 16:27, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote:
>
> > This is driving me a little crazy, I know it is so basic and yet I 
> > am drawing a blank. I am setting up a Customer table with a 
> > State/Province field that looks up 002_State table. The field Lookup
> details are
> >       SELECT [StateID], [StateName] FROM 002_State; ColumnCount = 2;
> Bound
> > Column   1; Column Widths = 0";3"
> >
> >
> > When I run a query    SELECT [State/Province] From [Customer]
> >
> > I see the statename value 'California' instead of the StateID value of
5.
> >
> > I would think queries would show the bound column's value regardless 
> > of the Column Widths property of the table field (as opposed to 
> > combo boxes and reports, which I know do make use of those properties.
> >
> > I checked via recordsets, and the value does appear to be 5, despite 
> > what the query shows.
> >
> >
> > Sub check()
> > Dim r As DAO.Recordset, r2 As DAO.Recordset Dim d As Database Set d 
> > = CurrentDb Set r = d.OpenRecordset("SELECT 
> > Customers.[State/Province] FROM Customers") r.MoveFirst If Not r.EOF
Then
> >     Set r2 = d.OpenRecordset("Select StateName from 002_State where 
> > StateID = " & r.Fields(0))
> >     r2.MoveFirst
> >     If Not r2.EOF Then
> >         Debug.Print "The first state in the Customer table:" & 
> > Chr(13) &
> > Chr(13) & "Field: " & _
> >             r.Fields(0).Name & " has Value = " & _
> >             r.Fields(0) & ", is of Type = " & _
> >             r.Fields(0).Type & ", and represents the state of " & _
> >             r2.Fields(0) & "' "
> >     End If
> > End If
> > End Sub
> >
> > 'The first state in the Customer table:
> >
> > 'Field: State/Province has Value = 5, is of Type = 4, and represents 
> > the state of California'
> >
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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Fri May 24 15:13:20 2013
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 15:13:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Returning a "Row Number" in a query
References: <002901ce4703$e82361f0$b86a25d0$@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met85fKvGGgiiM8+idxatTZPYiE+5hqF6HX4Bk=6B6hBe-A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C5019BF314@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

All,

Is there an easy way to return a "row number" in an Access query?

Let's say that I have a table with one field named "Customer".  The
table has 5 rows.

I would like to be able to return something like this...

1 Jones
2 Smith
3 Anderson
4 Olson
5 Jenson 



Thanks,
Brad



From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Fri May 24 15:26:04 2013
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 08:26:04 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Returning a "Row Number" in a query
Message-ID: <F35C4737E33A6543BC69DFB19CB5748F06197E@bsserver.BondSoftware.local>

This works for me:
http://www.vb123.com/toolshed/07_access/countercolumn.htm

Stephen

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Saturday, 25 May 2013 8:26 a.m.
To: Stephen
Subject: [AccessD] Returning a "Row Number" in a query

All,

Is there an easy way to return a "row number" in an Access query?

Let's say that I have a table with one field named "Customer".  The
table has 5 rows.

I would like to be able to return something like this...

1 Jones
2 Smith
3 Anderson
4 Olson
5 Jenson 



Thanks,
Brad


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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Fri May 24 15:45:35 2013
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 15:45:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Returning a "Row Number" in a query
References: <F35C4737E33A6543BC69DFB19CB5748F06197E@bsserver.BondSoftware.local>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C5019BF32C@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

Stephen,

Thanks, I appreciate the assistance.

Brad



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Bond
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 3:26 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Returning a "Row Number" in a query

This works for me:
http://www.vb123.com/toolshed/07_access/countercolumn.htm

Stephen

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Saturday, 25 May 2013 8:26 a.m.
To: Stephen
Subject: [AccessD] Returning a "Row Number" in a query

All,

Is there an easy way to return a "row number" in an Access query?

Let's say that I have a table with one field named "Customer".  The
table has 5 rows.

I would like to be able to return something like this...

1 Jones
2 Smith
3 Anderson
4 Olson
5 Jenson 



Thanks,
Brad


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From marksimms at verizon.net  Fri May 24 20:39:10 2013
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 21:39:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 - How to unfilter / unsort
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iwTeTrmVq1PENd3pXj_7ZSZn32JzRuOOk+sna-wq=mAQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <519B9732.90709@gmail.com>
	<F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9801E7237BC8@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
	<519BDF88.4020507@gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1iwTeTrmVq1PENd3pXj_7ZSZn32JzRuOOk+sna-wq=mAQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <023101ce58e8$a820ec70$f862c550$@net>

Once you "learn" the correct tab, the Ribbon is super-efficient compared to
the nested menus.
Unfortunately, this takes a while....



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun May 26 00:08:05 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 22:08:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] (no subject)
Message-ID: <AAE1F51DFA944F44BAC3475CCB554048@HAL9007>

Dear List:
 
Is there a way to set the Windows theme through VBA.  I'm using 2003.  
 
I can set the app to inherit the theme using Application.SetOption "Themed
Form Controls",True  but need a way to set the theme so that the appearance
of the controls on an app that is to be distributed will always appear the
same.  
 
And the theme can be returned to it's original state when the app closes (if
I can SET it I assume I can GET it).
 
Of course this does present a problem of the user's theme being changed by
the program, even if temporarily, but, one problem at a time.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun May 26 01:04:03 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 16:04:03 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <AAE1F51DFA944F44BAC3475CCB554048@HAL9007>
References: <AAE1F51DFA944F44BAC3475CCB554048@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <51A1A5D3.18998.2F0A7B9C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Not a good idea.  

Firstly, themes are system wide settings.  An application which chages the useers system 
wide preferences, even temporarily is bad..   They affect much more than just   the 
appearance of Windows controls.

Secondly, Visual Styles, which is what I think you actually want to change, are different in 
different OS versions.

If you REALLY must, a call to the SetWindowsTheme function in the  UXThemes.dll (XP and 
later)  may do the trick:

Public Declare Function SetWindowTheme Lib "uxtheme.dll" (ByVal hWnd As HandleRef, 
ByVal pszSubAppName As String, ByVal pszSubIdList As String) As Integer

-- 
Stuart 

On 25 May 2013 at 22:08, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> Dear List:
>  
> Is there a way to set the Windows theme through VBA.  I'm using 2003.  
>  
> I can set the app to inherit the theme using Application.SetOption "Themed
> Form Controls",True  but need a way to set the theme so that the appearance
> of the controls on an app that is to be distributed will always appear the
> same.  
>  
> And the theme can be returned to it's original state when the app closes (if
> I can SET it I assume I can GET it).
>  
> Of course this does present a problem of the user's theme being changed by
> the program, even if temporarily, but, one problem at a time.
>  
> MTIA
>  
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>  
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun May 26 10:04:36 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 08:04:36 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <51A1A5D3.18998.2F0A7B9C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <AAE1F51DFA944F44BAC3475CCB554048@HAL9007>
	<51A1A5D3.18998.2F0A7B9C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <EB80D3AF31D0480A89C640059761FD7E@HAL9007>

" Not a good idea."  Agreed.

R


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: May 25, 2013 11:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] (no subject)

Not a good idea.  

Firstly, themes are system wide settings.  An application which chages the
useers system 
wide preferences, even temporarily is bad..   They affect much more than
just   the 
appearance of Windows controls.

Secondly, Visual Styles, which is what I think you actually want to change,
are different in different OS versions.

If you REALLY must, a call to the SetWindowsTheme function in the
UXThemes.dll (XP and
later)  may do the trick:

Public Declare Function SetWindowTheme Lib "uxtheme.dll" (ByVal hWnd As
HandleRef, ByVal pszSubAppName As String, ByVal pszSubIdList As String) As
Integer

--
Stuart 

On 25 May 2013 at 22:08, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> Dear List:
>  
> Is there a way to set the Windows theme through VBA.  I'm using 2003.  
>  
> I can set the app to inherit the theme using Application.SetOption 
> "Themed Form Controls",True  but need a way to set the theme so that 
> the appearance of the controls on an app that is to be distributed 
> will always appear the same.
>  
> And the theme can be returned to it's original state when the app 
> closes (if I can SET it I assume I can GET it).
>  
> Of course this does present a problem of the user's theme being 
> changed by the program, even if temporarily, but, one problem at a time.
>  
> MTIA
>  
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com 
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>  
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sun May 26 21:00:38 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 22:00:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MacroError - VBA??
Message-ID: <002c01ce5a7d$fc8b9120$f5a2b360$@gmail.com>

I converted a command button which Access innately creates with an embedded
macro, to VBA code. This was the code that was produced, and my question is,
to what purpose is the MacroError (Application level) property at this
point... in VBA code it appears to have no relevance, whereas the Err object
itself does.

For example, when trying to go to the next record when there is no next
record, if this were left as a macro button, I would get the error message
"You can't go to the specified record." But once I have converted the code
to VBA (See below) MacroError has a value of zero, but Err.Number has a a
value of 2105, which is the proper error.

Anyone see any practical side to Access bothering to put code related to
MacroError instead of focusing on the err object directly?


Private Sub cmdNextCompany_Click()
On Error GoTo cmdNextCompany_Click_Err

    On Error Resume Next
    DoCmd.GoToRecord , "", acNext
    If (MacroError <> 0) Then
        Beep
        MsgBox MacroError.Description, vbOKOnly, ""
    End If


cmdNextCompany_Click_Exit:
    Exit Sub

cmdNextCompany_Click_Err:
    MsgBox Error$
    Resume cmdNextCompany_Click_Exit

End Sub


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun May 26 21:22:44 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 12:22:44 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] MacroError - VBA??
In-Reply-To: <002c01ce5a7d$fc8b9120$f5a2b360$@gmail.com>
References: <002c01ce5a7d$fc8b9120$f5a2b360$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51A2C374.21715.33660F49@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Looks to me like a braiin-dead automated Macro to VBA conversion process that doesn't 
deal with error trapping properly.

To answer your first question - it serves no purpose.
 

On 26 May 2013 at 22:00, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote:

> I converted a command button which Access innately creates with an embedded
> macro, to VBA code. This was the code that was produced, and my question is,
> to what purpose is the MacroError (Application level) property at this
> point... in VBA code it appears to have no relevance, whereas the Err object
> itself does.
> 
> For example, when trying to go to the next record when there is no next
> record, if this were left as a macro button, I would get the error message
> "You can't go to the specified record." But once I have converted the code
> to VBA (See below) MacroError has a value of zero, but Err.Number has a a
> value of 2105, which is the proper error.
> 
> Anyone see any practical side to Access bothering to put code related to
> MacroError instead of focusing on the err object directly?
> 
> 
> Private Sub cmdNextCompany_Click()
> On Error GoTo cmdNextCompany_Click_Err
> 
>     On Error Resume Next
>     DoCmd.GoToRecord , "", acNext
>     If (MacroError <> 0) Then
>         Beep
>         MsgBox MacroError.Description, vbOKOnly, ""
>     End If
> 
> 
> cmdNextCompany_Click_Exit:
>     Exit Sub
> 
> cmdNextCompany_Click_Err:
>     MsgBox Error$
>     Resume cmdNextCompany_Click_Exit
> 
> End Sub
> 
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sun May 26 21:35:58 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 22:35:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MacroError - VBA??
In-Reply-To: <51A2C374.21715.33660F49@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <002c01ce5a7d$fc8b9120$f5a2b360$@gmail.com>
	<51A2C374.21715.33660F49@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V7Nz0mgFJYS7J=onBWeS1F7ss1LYpz=6UjUr5Gw-quzaQ@mail.gmail.com>

Gr8.  Sigh.

Thanks.
On May 26, 2013 10:24 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:

> Looks to me like a braiin-dead automated Macro to VBA conversion process
> that doesn't
> deal with error trapping properly.
>
> To answer your first question - it serves no purpose.
>
>
> On 26 May 2013 at 22:00, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote:
>
> > I converted a command button which Access innately creates with an
> embedded
> > macro, to VBA code. This was the code that was produced, and my question
> is,
> > to what purpose is the MacroError (Application level) property at this
> > point... in VBA code it appears to have no relevance, whereas the Err
> object
> > itself does.
> >
> > For example, when trying to go to the next record when there is no next
> > record, if this were left as a macro button, I would get the error
> message
> > "You can't go to the specified record." But once I have converted the
> code
> > to VBA (See below) MacroError has a value of zero, but Err.Number has a a
> > value of 2105, which is the proper error.
> >
> > Anyone see any practical side to Access bothering to put code related to
> > MacroError instead of focusing on the err object directly?
> >
> >
> > Private Sub cmdNextCompany_Click()
> > On Error GoTo cmdNextCompany_Click_Err
> >
> >     On Error Resume Next
> >     DoCmd.GoToRecord , "", acNext
> >     If (MacroError <> 0) Then
> >         Beep
> >         MsgBox MacroError.Description, vbOKOnly, ""
> >     End If
> >
> >
> > cmdNextCompany_Click_Exit:
> >     Exit Sub
> >
> > cmdNextCompany_Click_Err:
> >     MsgBox Error$
> >     Resume cmdNextCompany_Click_Exit
> >
> > End Sub
> >
> > --
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> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun May 26 22:18:42 2013
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 03:18:42 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] MacroError - VBA??
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V7Nz0mgFJYS7J=onBWeS1F7ss1LYpz=6UjUr5Gw-quzaQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002c01ce5a7d$fc8b9120$f5a2b360$@gmail.com>
	<51A2C374.21715.33660F49@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAGuQ9V7Nz0mgFJYS7J=onBWeS1F7ss1LYpz=6UjUr5Gw-quzaQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B54BFB9E7E@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

In my experience this sort of thing is typical of auto generated VBA scripted by MSoft.  Perhaps they used to farm this sort of thing out to first year interns(?) - I mean, it must be a fairly tedious thing to set up.  Dunno.  But I nearly always find I can strip down their auto-code by about 90%.  Indeed I would recommend it as it is often full of meaningless bloat that just takes up space and fogs clarity.

Cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Monday, 27 May 2013 12:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MacroError - VBA??

Gr8.  Sigh.

Thanks.
On May 26, 2013 10:24 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:

> Looks to me like a braiin-dead automated Macro to VBA conversion 
> process that doesn't deal with error trapping properly.
>
> To answer your first question - it serves no purpose.
>
>
> On 26 May 2013 at 22:00, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote:
>
> > I converted a command button which Access innately creates with an
> embedded
> > macro, to VBA code. This was the code that was produced, and my 
> > question
> is,
> > to what purpose is the MacroError (Application level) property at 
> > this point... in VBA code it appears to have no relevance, whereas 
> > the Err
> object
> > itself does.
> >
> > For example, when trying to go to the next record when there is no 
> > next record, if this were left as a macro button, I would get the 
> > error
> message
> > "You can't go to the specified record." But once I have converted 
> > the
> code
> > to VBA (See below) MacroError has a value of zero, but Err.Number 
> > has a a value of 2105, which is the proper error.
> >
> > Anyone see any practical side to Access bothering to put code 
> > related to MacroError instead of focusing on the err object directly?
> >
> >
> > Private Sub cmdNextCompany_Click()
> > On Error GoTo cmdNextCompany_Click_Err
> >
> >     On Error Resume Next
> >     DoCmd.GoToRecord , "", acNext
> >     If (MacroError <> 0) Then
> >         Beep
> >         MsgBox MacroError.Description, vbOKOnly, ""
> >     End If
> >
> >
> > cmdNextCompany_Click_Exit:
> >     Exit Sub
> >
> > cmdNextCompany_Click_Err:
> >     MsgBox Error$
> >     Resume cmdNextCompany_Click_Exit
> >
> > End Sub
> >
> > --
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> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun May 26 23:38:18 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 21:38:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] MacroError - VBA??
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B54BFB9E7E@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <002c01ce5a7d$fc8b9120$f5a2b360$@gmail.com><51A2C374.21715.33660F49@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><CAGuQ9V7Nz0mgFJYS7J=onBWeS1F7ss1LYpz=6UjUr5Gw-quzaQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B54BFB9E7E@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <3947332A51AE4EE694E6990112D45847@HAL9007>

Reminds me of when I structure a multi-table query with several parameters
and the parentheses are sprinkled throughout in a really confusing and
non-functional manner.

Rocky


 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: May 26, 2013 8:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MacroError - VBA??

In my experience this sort of thing is typical of auto generated VBA
scripted by MSoft.  Perhaps they used to farm this sort of thing out to
first year interns(?) - I mean, it must be a fairly tedious thing to set up.
Dunno.  But I nearly always find I can strip down their auto-code by about
90%.  Indeed I would recommend it as it is often full of meaningless bloat
that just takes up space and fogs clarity.

Cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Monday, 27 May 2013 12:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MacroError - VBA??

Gr8.  Sigh.

Thanks.
On May 26, 2013 10:24 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:

> Looks to me like a braiin-dead automated Macro to VBA conversion 
> process that doesn't deal with error trapping properly.
>
> To answer your first question - it serves no purpose.
>
>
> On 26 May 2013 at 22:00, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote:
>
> > I converted a command button which Access innately creates with an
> embedded
> > macro, to VBA code. This was the code that was produced, and my 
> > question
> is,
> > to what purpose is the MacroError (Application level) property at 
> > this point... in VBA code it appears to have no relevance, whereas 
> > the Err
> object
> > itself does.
> >
> > For example, when trying to go to the next record when there is no 
> > next record, if this were left as a macro button, I would get the 
> > error
> message
> > "You can't go to the specified record." But once I have converted 
> > the
> code
> > to VBA (See below) MacroError has a value of zero, but Err.Number 
> > has a a value of 2105, which is the proper error.
> >
> > Anyone see any practical side to Access bothering to put code 
> > related to MacroError instead of focusing on the err object directly?
> >
> >
> > Private Sub cmdNextCompany_Click()
> > On Error GoTo cmdNextCompany_Click_Err
> >
> >     On Error Resume Next
> >     DoCmd.GoToRecord , "", acNext
> >     If (MacroError <> 0) Then
> >         Beep
> >         MsgBox MacroError.Description, vbOKOnly, ""
> >     End If
> >
> >
> > cmdNextCompany_Click_Exit:
> >     Exit Sub
> >
> > cmdNextCompany_Click_Err:
> >     MsgBox Error$
> >     Resume cmdNextCompany_Click_Exit
> >
> > End Sub
> >
> > --
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Mon May 27 01:48:27 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 02:48:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MacroError - VBA??
In-Reply-To: <3947332A51AE4EE694E6990112D45847@HAL9007>
References: <002c01ce5a7d$fc8b9120$f5a2b360$@gmail.com>
	<51A2C374.21715.33660F49@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAGuQ9V7Nz0mgFJYS7J=onBWeS1F7ss1LYpz=6UjUr5Gw-quzaQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B54BFB9E7E@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<3947332A51AE4EE694E6990112D45847@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V6d9VQ8ts-DLn-dM=fpk+zB=gmt3DyN9ndA1pjwjs9=Tw@mail.gmail.com>

Or how access writes garbage in brackets in lieu of the nicely worded,
just-fine-the-way-it-was sql you just saved in the sql view. So you have
virtually no chance of parsing and rationalizing the sql property of the
query using code later in a statement. I call it aliening (as opposed to
aliasing, which I Access seems like it's trying to do).

M$ always helps Nize Master, very good,  follow M $$ ....

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Mon May 27 12:31:20 2013
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 10:31:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Determining 64-bit OS
Message-ID: <CAH+Met-mR39b7+mRrRuSpk8LpadTtV0=wdKVRY7tUEwVc=1izg@mail.gmail.com>

This was raised in a linkedin group some of us belong to, and it's making
me irritated.  I can't find any way to reliably identify a 64-bit Win
version when running 32-bit Office.  On my machine with that configuration,
the Win64 constant is always false!  Any suggestions from the brain trust?

Charlotte

From df.waters at comcast.net  Mon May 27 12:50:56 2013
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 12:50:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Determining 64-bit OS
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met-mR39b7+mRrRuSpk8LpadTtV0=wdKVRY7tUEwVc=1izg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH+Met-mR39b7+mRrRuSpk8LpadTtV0=wdKVRY7tUEwVc=1izg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000901ce5b02$bd7fbad0$387f3070$@comcast.net>

Hi Charlotte,

All I do is look for the presence of the C:\Windows\sysWOW64 folder.  It's
not a direct check, but why would this folder exist on a 32-bit system?

Dan

Procedure:

'------------------------------
Private Sub GetWindowsVersion()

    '-- This will record the current windows version, whether the OS is 32
bit or 64 bit, and the Access version for the person logging in.

    Dim stg As String
    Dim fso As FileSystemObject
    Dim int3264 As Integer
    Dim stgWindowsVersion As String
    Dim stgAccessVersion As String

    Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
    If fso.FolderExists("C:\Windows\sysWOW64") = True Then
        int3264 = 64
    Else
        int3264 = 32
    End If

    stgWindowsVersion = WindowsVersion
    stgAccessVersion = Application.Version & " - " & Application.Build

    stg = "UPDATE tblPeopleMain SET" _
          & " versionWindows = '" & stgWindowsVersion & "'," _
          & " version3264 = " & int3264 & "," _
          & " versionAccess = '" & stgAccessVersion & "'" _
          & " WHERE PeopleID = " & GV.CurrentPeopleID
    CurrentDB.Execute stg, dbSeeChanges Or dbFailOnError

    Set fso = Nothing

End Sub
'-----------------------------------------

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 12:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem
Subject: [AccessD] Determining 64-bit OS

This was raised in a linkedin group some of us belong to, and it's making me
irritated.  I can't find any way to reliably identify a 64-bit Win version
when running 32-bit Office.  On my machine with that configuration, the
Win64 constant is always false!  Any suggestions from the brain trust?

Charlotte
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From df.waters at comcast.net  Mon May 27 13:27:13 2013
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 13:27:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Determining 64-bit OS
In-Reply-To: <000901ce5b02$bd7fbad0$387f3070$@comcast.net>
References: <CAH+Met-mR39b7+mRrRuSpk8LpadTtV0=wdKVRY7tUEwVc=1izg@mail.gmail.com>
	<000901ce5b02$bd7fbad0$387f3070$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000a01ce5b07$cf6cb630$6e462290$@comcast.net>

Forgot to include:

'--------------------------------
Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Private Type OSVERSIONINFO
    dwOSVersionInfoSize As Long
    dwMajorVersion As Long
    dwMinorVersion As Long
    dwBuildNumber As Long
    dwPlatformId As Long
    szCSDVersion As String * 128
End Type

Public Declare Function GetVersionExA Lib "kernel32" (lpVersionInformation
As OSVERSIONINFO) As Integer

Public Function WindowsVersion() As String

    Dim osinfo As OSVERSIONINFO
    Dim retvalue As Integer

    osinfo.dwOSVersionInfoSize = 148
    osinfo.szCSDVersion = Space$(128)
    retvalue = GetVersionExA(osinfo)

    WindowsVersion = osinfo.dwMajorVersion & "." & osinfo.dwMinorVersion & "
Build (" & osinfo.dwBuildNumber & ") " & fTrimNull(osinfo.szCSDVersion)

End Function

Private Function fTrimNull(strIn As String) As String

    Dim intPos As Integer

    intPos = InStr(1, strIn, vbNullChar)

    If intPos <> 0 Then
        fTrimNull = Mid$(strIn, 1, intPos - 1)
    Else
        fTrimNull = strIn
    End If

End Function
'---------------------------------------------


From dbdoug at gmail.com  Mon May 27 14:11:47 2013
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 12:11:47 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dropbox/MS Access problem.
Message-ID: <CAFa8NkjeqauukfAdTkwjLo=w5wM_CWSjb+nN7_z1qgy5=DaaZg@mail.gmail.com>

I got a baffled call from a client this morning, wanting to know why I had
changed their back end from an .mdb file to an .accdb file.

I said I had downloaded the accdb file from their Dropbox account to work
on it.  The client said they didn't have an accdb file on Dropbox.

Assuming that I had had (yet another) senior moment, I logged in and sure
enough, the copy of the back end was definitely an mdb.

Then, before my very eyes, as soon as I clicked on the mdb file to download
it, Dropbox changed the extension to 'accdb' on my computer (which only has
Office 2010 installed).  Arghhh!

I checked, and Dropbox doesn't do any conversion - it's just an mdb with
the wrong extension.  So be warned!

Doug

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Mon May 27 15:13:29 2013
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 13:13:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Determining 64-bit OS
In-Reply-To: <000a01ce5b07$cf6cb630$6e462290$@comcast.net>
References: <CAH+Met-mR39b7+mRrRuSpk8LpadTtV0=wdKVRY7tUEwVc=1izg@mail.gmail.com>
	<000901ce5b02$bd7fbad0$387f3070$@comcast.net>
	<000a01ce5b07$cf6cb630$6e462290$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met87XKjw43_uPia4mEy9h+-oU=uRgrZYWmCoBJ=F5ruxhg@mail.gmail.com>

I knew I was missing something simple!  Thanks.

Charlotte

On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Dan Waters <df.waters at comcast.net> wrote:

> Forgot to include:
>
> '--------------------------------
> Option Compare Database
> Option Explicit
>
> Private Type OSVERSIONINFO
>     dwOSVersionInfoSize As Long
>     dwMajorVersion As Long
>     dwMinorVersion As Long
>     dwBuildNumber As Long
>     dwPlatformId As Long
>     szCSDVersion As String * 128
> End Type
>
> Public Declare Function GetVersionExA Lib "kernel32" (lpVersionInformation
> As OSVERSIONINFO) As Integer
>
> Public Function WindowsVersion() As String
>
>     Dim osinfo As OSVERSIONINFO
>     Dim retvalue As Integer
>
>     osinfo.dwOSVersionInfoSize = 148
>     osinfo.szCSDVersion = Space$(128)
>     retvalue = GetVersionExA(osinfo)
>
>     WindowsVersion = osinfo.dwMajorVersion & "." & osinfo.dwMinorVersion &
> "
> Build (" & osinfo.dwBuildNumber & ") " & fTrimNull(osinfo.szCSDVersion)
>
> End Function
>
> Private Function fTrimNull(strIn As String) As String
>
>     Dim intPos As Integer
>
>     intPos = InStr(1, strIn, vbNullChar)
>
>     If intPos <> 0 Then
>         fTrimNull = Mid$(strIn, 1, intPos - 1)
>     Else
>         fTrimNull = strIn
>     End If
>
> End Function
> '---------------------------------------------
>
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon May 27 20:38:57 2013
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 21:38:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Determining 64-bit OS
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met87XKjw43_uPia4mEy9h+-oU=uRgrZYWmCoBJ=F5ruxhg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH+Met-mR39b7+mRrRuSpk8LpadTtV0=wdKVRY7tUEwVc=1izg@mail.gmail.com>
	<000901ce5b02$bd7fbad0$387f3070$@comcast.net>
	<000a01ce5b07$cf6cb630$6e462290$@comcast.net>
	<CAH+Met87XKjw43_uPia4mEy9h+-oU=uRgrZYWmCoBJ=F5ruxhg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D3E70B944B2141B5A0A0D0CDD7ED6652@XPS>


 FYI: The win64 constant is not for the OS; it tells you if VBA is running
64 bit or 32 bit.

  Poorly  named I know, but it's been a long tradition that they apparently
did not want to break.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 04:13 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Determining 64-bit OS

I knew I was missing something simple!  Thanks.

Charlotte

On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Dan Waters <df.waters at comcast.net> wrote:

> Forgot to include:
>
> '--------------------------------
> Option Compare Database
> Option Explicit
>
> Private Type OSVERSIONINFO
>     dwOSVersionInfoSize As Long
>     dwMajorVersion As Long
>     dwMinorVersion As Long
>     dwBuildNumber As Long
>     dwPlatformId As Long
>     szCSDVersion As String * 128
> End Type
>
> Public Declare Function GetVersionExA Lib "kernel32" (lpVersionInformation
> As OSVERSIONINFO) As Integer
>
> Public Function WindowsVersion() As String
>
>     Dim osinfo As OSVERSIONINFO
>     Dim retvalue As Integer
>
>     osinfo.dwOSVersionInfoSize = 148
>     osinfo.szCSDVersion = Space$(128)
>     retvalue = GetVersionExA(osinfo)
>
>     WindowsVersion = osinfo.dwMajorVersion & "." & osinfo.dwMinorVersion &
> "
> Build (" & osinfo.dwBuildNumber & ") " & fTrimNull(osinfo.szCSDVersion)
>
> End Function
>
> Private Function fTrimNull(strIn As String) As String
>
>     Dim intPos As Integer
>
>     intPos = InStr(1, strIn, vbNullChar)
>
>     If intPos <> 0 Then
>         fTrimNull = Mid$(strIn, 1, intPos - 1)
>     Else
>         fTrimNull = strIn
>     End If
>
> End Function
> '---------------------------------------------
>
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Mon May 27 22:20:13 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 23:20:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A noun is a person place or thing - what is an Event?
Message-ID: <00d801ce5b52$455e7ff0$d01b7fd0$@gmail.com>

Hi this may well be long-ago-covered ground, but I am stuck in a relational
database conundrum.

Simple world, there are companies, they have associates (people), those
people have events, and those events require notification circles. 

For example, a driver for a trucking company, may have a medical inspection,
notification of the due date for which, is to be sent to the trucker as well
as the company's dispatcher (so that, after a certain date, the dispatcher
will remember not to send that trucker on any routes without proof of
completed medical check).

I am struggling over whether to make all events tied to the company with a
FK, or whether to make all events tied to an Associate, thus only indirectly
tied to the Company.

The reason for my second-guessing the latter approach, which on the face of
things seems obvious, is scalability. Suppose there are certain kinds of
events which are not related to associates, but based on the company itself.
I can't think of too many of examples of these off-hand, but for example,
certain marketing oriented events, or billing related events, might be worth
tracking.

If I chose the other approach, to work at a Company level, create an Event
for that company, then choose the Associate(s) for whom the Event mattered,
then it seems all bases would be covered.

Am I right in leaning towards the latter approach?


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Mon May 27 22:22:15 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 23:22:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A noun is a person place or thing - what is an Event?
Message-ID: <00d901ce5b52$8da2ddb0$a8e89910$@gmail.com>

I realize I have used "latter approach" kind of ambiguously in the "latter"
sentence.


LOL    (Lots of Latters)...

-----Original Message-----
From: William Benson (VBACreations.Com) [mailto:vbacreations at gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 11:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: A noun is a person place or thing - what is an Event?

Hi this may well be long-ago-covered ground, but I am stuck in a relational
database conundrum.

Simple world, there are companies, they have associates (people), those
people have events, and those events require notification circles. 

For example, a driver for a trucking company, may have a medical inspection,
notification of the due date for which, is to be sent to the trucker as well
as the company's dispatcher (so that, after a certain date, the dispatcher
will remember not to send that trucker on any routes without proof of
completed medical check).

I am struggling over whether to make all events tied to the company with a
FK, or whether to make all events tied to an Associate, thus only indirectly
tied to the Company.

The reason for my second-guessing the latter approach, which on the face of
things seems obvious, is scalability. Suppose there are certain kinds of
events which are not related to associates, but based on the company itself.
I can't think of too many of examples of these off-hand, but for example,
certain marketing oriented events, or billing related events, might be worth
tracking.

If I chose the other approach, to work at a Company level, create an Event
for that company, then choose the Associate(s) for whom the Event mattered,
then it seems all bases would be covered.

Am I right in leaning towards the latter approach?


From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Mon May 27 22:45:07 2013
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 03:45:07 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] A noun is a person place or thing - what is an Event?
In-Reply-To: <00d801ce5b52$455e7ff0$d01b7fd0$@gmail.com>
References: <00d801ce5b52$455e7ff0$d01b7fd0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B54BFBB36A@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Don't tie the events to anything.

You have Events (one table)
You have People (2nd Table)
You have Company (3rd Table)

You can then set up a 4th table which combine all 3 (Just on their PK of course) that is created, updated as the data is entered.

Say Table "tblEventSent"

Then you can send "Event 1" to Person1, Person4 and Company 3 (for this demo I will assume that the company Key is prefixed with 100)

So your "Event Sent" table will look something like (Event, Target)

1,1
1,4
1,103

Then you can search for which event went where (So E1 was sent to P1, P4 and C3),
Which People got what event? (P1 and P4 got E1)
Which company got what event? (C3 got E1)

Clearly in the real world you would add more smarts like Issue date, expiry date and other constrains that are relevant to the event.
But on a simple level,  Does that makes sense?

Cheers
Darryl.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson (VBACreations.Com)
Sent: Tuesday, 28 May 2013 1:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A noun is a person place or thing - what is an Event?

Hi this may well be long-ago-covered ground, but I am stuck in a relational database conundrum.

Simple world, there are companies, they have associates (people), those people have events, and those events require notification circles. 

For example, a driver for a trucking company, may have a medical inspection, notification of the due date for which, is to be sent to the trucker as well as the company's dispatcher (so that, after a certain date, the dispatcher will remember not to send that trucker on any routes without proof of completed medical check).

I am struggling over whether to make all events tied to the company with a FK, or whether to make all events tied to an Associate, thus only indirectly tied to the Company.

The reason for my second-guessing the latter approach, which on the face of things seems obvious, is scalability. Suppose there are certain kinds of events which are not related to associates, but based on the company itself.
I can't think of too many of examples of these off-hand, but for example, certain marketing oriented events, or billing related events, might be worth tracking.

If I chose the other approach, to work at a Company level, create an Event for that company, then choose the Associate(s) for whom the Event mattered, then it seems all bases would be covered.

Am I right in leaning towards the latter approach?

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon May 27 22:52:43 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 23:52:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A noun is a person place or thing - what is an Event?
In-Reply-To: <00d901ce5b52$8da2ddb0$a8e89910$@gmail.com>
References: <00d901ce5b52$8da2ddb0$a8e89910$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gYZ0-EaTYA1_3ah=XiWToGoDMTfX7xwwEW48ZbADSAUw@mail.gmail.com>

One possibility is to include an EventType column, with one value
identifying company events such as the annual picnic and another value
identifying employee events. Depending on that value, you could switch the
rowsource of the combobox to suit. Both types of events could reside in a
single table, with queries identifying one type or the other. Just a
thought.

Arthur


On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 11:22 PM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) <
vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote:

> I realize I have used "latter approach" kind of ambiguously in the "latter"
> sentence.
>
>
> LOL    (Lots of Latters)...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Benson (VBACreations.Com) [mailto:vbacreations at gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 11:20 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: A noun is a person place or thing - what is an Event?
>
> Hi this may well be long-ago-covered ground, but I am stuck in a relational
> database conundrum.
>
> Simple world, there are companies, they have associates (people), those
> people have events, and those events require notification circles.
>
> For example, a driver for a trucking company, may have a medical
> inspection,
> notification of the due date for which, is to be sent to the trucker as
> well
> as the company's dispatcher (so that, after a certain date, the dispatcher
> will remember not to send that trucker on any routes without proof of
> completed medical check).
>
> I am struggling over whether to make all events tied to the company with a
> FK, or whether to make all events tied to an Associate, thus only
> indirectly
> tied to the Company.
>
> The reason for my second-guessing the latter approach, which on the face of
> things seems obvious, is scalability. Suppose there are certain kinds of
> events which are not related to associates, but based on the company
> itself.
> I can't think of too many of examples of these off-hand, but for example,
> certain marketing oriented events, or billing related events, might be
> worth
> tracking.
>
> If I chose the other approach, to work at a Company level, create an Event
> for that company, then choose the Associate(s) for whom the Event mattered,
> then it seems all bases would be covered.
>
> Am I right in leaning towards the latter approach?
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon May 27 22:53:00 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 13:53:00 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A noun is a person place or thing - what is an Event?
In-Reply-To: <00d801ce5b52$455e7ff0$d01b7fd0$@gmail.com>
References: <00d801ce5b52$455e7ff0$d01b7fd0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51A42A1C.14049.38DF109D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Can an event relate to multiple associates in different companies?

i.e. six people from each of four different companies all attend the same seminar?

If so, I'd go with an Event table and a link table containing eventID and associateID.

Alternatively make your link table:

EventID
LevelFlag
ConcernedPartyID

where LevelFlag is C]ompany or A]ssociate and the value of that flag is used to determine 
which table is linked.

-- 
Stuart

On 27 May 2013 at 23:20, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote:

> Hi this may well be long-ago-covered ground, but I am stuck in a relational
> database conundrum.
> 
> Simple world, there are companies, they have associates (people), those
> people have events, and those events require notification circles. 
> 
> For example, a driver for a trucking company, may have a medical inspection,
> notification of the due date for which, is to be sent to the trucker as well
> as the company's dispatcher (so that, after a certain date, the dispatcher
> will remember not to send that trucker on any routes without proof of
> completed medical check).
> 
> I am struggling over whether to make all events tied to the company with a
> FK, or whether to make all events tied to an Associate, thus only indirectly
> tied to the Company.
> 
> The reason for my second-guessing the latter approach, which on the face of
> things seems obvious, is scalability. Suppose there are certain kinds of
> events which are not related to associates, but based on the company itself.
> I can't think of too many of examples of these off-hand, but for example,
> certain marketing oriented events, or billing related events, might be worth
> tracking.
> 
> If I chose the other approach, to work at a Company level, create an Event
> for that company, then choose the Associate(s) for whom the Event mattered,
> then it seems all bases would be covered.
> 
> Am I right in leaning towards the latter approach?
> 
> -- 
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From vbacreations at gmail.com  Tue May 28 02:54:06 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 03:54:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A noun is a person place or thing - what is an Event?
In-Reply-To: <51A42A1C.14049.38DF109D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <00d801ce5b52$455e7ff0$d01b7fd0$@gmail.com>
	<51A42A1C.14049.38DF109D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V7PFmp36s=Fy6spMhKtoWQkUcqCLA3_OP96oF1TrX9Vog@mail.gmail.com>

An event cannot apply to muliple companies.
On May 27, 2013 11:54 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:

> Can an event relate to multiple associates in different companies?
>
> i.e. six people from each of four different companies all attend the same
> seminar?
>
> If so, I'd go with an Event table and a link table containing eventID and
> associateID.
>
> Alternatively make your link table:
>
> EventID
> LevelFlag
> ConcernedPartyID
>
> where LevelFlag is C]ompany or A]ssociate and the value of that flag is
> used to determine
> which table is linked.
>
> --
> Stuart
>
> On 27 May 2013 at 23:20, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote:
>
> > Hi this may well be long-ago-covered ground, but I am stuck in a
> relational
> > database conundrum.
> >
> > Simple world, there are companies, they have associates (people), those
> > people have events, and those events require notification circles.
> >
> > For example, a driver for a trucking company, may have a medical
> inspection,
> > notification of the due date for which, is to be sent to the trucker as
> well
> > as the company's dispatcher (so that, after a certain date, the
> dispatcher
> > will remember not to send that trucker on any routes without proof of
> > completed medical check).
> >
> > I am struggling over whether to make all events tied to the company with
> a
> > FK, or whether to make all events tied to an Associate, thus only
> indirectly
> > tied to the Company.
> >
> > The reason for my second-guessing the latter approach, which on the face
> of
> > things seems obvious, is scalability. Suppose there are certain kinds of
> > events which are not related to associates, but based on the company
> itself.
> > I can't think of too many of examples of these off-hand, but for example,
> > certain marketing oriented events, or billing related events, might be
> worth
> > tracking.
> >
> > If I chose the other approach, to work at a Company level, create an
> Event
> > for that company, then choose the Associate(s) for whom the Event
> mattered,
> > then it seems all bases would be covered.
> >
> > Am I right in leaning towards the latter approach?
> >
> > --
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Tue May 28 06:50:10 2013
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 07:50:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dropbox/MS Access problem.
In-Reply-To: <CAFa8NkjeqauukfAdTkwjLo=w5wM_CWSjb+nN7_z1qgy5=DaaZg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFa8NkjeqauukfAdTkwjLo=w5wM_CWSjb+nN7_z1qgy5=DaaZg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAtk2N3vHMdrP_niCcDb-32064fv6m-650FzQofxPvP+HQ@mail.gmail.com>

Doug,

Do you happen to have the "save files as accdb" turned on? I just loaded
Acc2010 recently and each file I looked at got saved with accdb. I then set
the "save files as 2003 or similar and I then had mdb files.
I'm wondering if your default/current setting is 2007/2010, then you might
get accdb automatically.  ie nothing to do with dropbox???
jack

On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Doug Steele <dbdoug at gmail.com> wrote:

> I got a baffled call from a client this morning, wanting to know why I had
> changed their back end from an .mdb file to an .accdb file.
>
> I said I had downloaded the accdb file from their Dropbox account to work
> on it.  The client said they didn't have an accdb file on Dropbox.
>
> Assuming that I had had (yet another) senior moment, I logged in and sure
> enough, the copy of the back end was definitely an mdb.
>
> Then, before my very eyes, as soon as I clicked on the mdb file to download
> it, Dropbox changed the extension to 'accdb' on my computer (which only has
> Office 2010 installed).  Arghhh!
>
> I checked, and Dropbox doesn't do any conversion - it's just an mdb with
> the wrong extension.  So be warned!
>
> Doug
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue May 28 06:59:42 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 07:59:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Questions about Attachments
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jXLtBHhhvj82_7vafhO+vmPtcJk3wgZ1MXWg1ZQEQ1cw@mail.gmail.com>

A potential client wants an app whose principal table contains addresses
and three pictures per address. Normally my first suggestion would be to
store the pictures as JPG files and pointers to the pictures either in a
multi-value field or in an associative table (AddressID, PictureName). But
the client seems to want the pictures stored as attachments in the
Addresses table. I have very little experience working with Attachments,
other than reading through Helen Feddema's example code.

1. Assuming that I walk the directory containing the pictures and have a
method of knowing which pictures belong to each Address, how can I
programmatically move the picture into the Address as an attachment?
2. Assuming that the pictures are now Attachments, can I extract them for
inclusion in a report? I.e. print each Address and its pictures.
3. I'm told that once the photos have been taken, there will never be a
need to edit them, but whenever I hear the word Never, I reach for my
revolver. Should that need ever arise, can one simply double-click the
Attachment of interest and automatically invoke the appropriate editor?
I.e. this question could apply equally to pictures and, say, Word documents.

TIA,
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Tue May 28 07:02:20 2013
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 08:02:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A noun is a person place or thing - what is an Event?
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V7PFmp36s=Fy6spMhKtoWQkUcqCLA3_OP96oF1TrX9Vog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00d801ce5b52$455e7ff0$d01b7fd0$@gmail.com>
	<51A42A1C.14049.38DF109D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAGuQ9V7PFmp36s=Fy6spMhKtoWQkUcqCLA3_OP96oF1TrX9Vog@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAuMJqXebpp9-drphEahaRMTogq8d--E20FSzkxYJMDuhQ@mail.gmail.com>

Are the items of info collected at the various Events similar? You may want
to investigate subtype/supertype.
see
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc505839.aspx
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7044448/supertype-subtype-database-schema-question
http://www.crcnetbase.com/doi/abs/10.1201/9780203486054.ch8

Your Events,reminded me of the Generalization Vehicles for  Trains, Planes
and Automobiles.
jack

On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 3:54 AM, William Benson <vbacreations at gmail.com>wrote:

> An event cannot apply to muliple companies.
> On May 27, 2013 11:54 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> wrote:
>
> > Can an event relate to multiple associates in different companies?
> >
> > i.e. six people from each of four different companies all attend the same
> > seminar?
> >
> > If so, I'd go with an Event table and a link table containing eventID and
> > associateID.
> >
> > Alternatively make your link table:
> >
> > EventID
> > LevelFlag
> > ConcernedPartyID
> >
> > where LevelFlag is C]ompany or A]ssociate and the value of that flag is
> > used to determine
> > which table is linked.
> >
> > --
> > Stuart
> >
> > On 27 May 2013 at 23:20, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote:
> >
> > > Hi this may well be long-ago-covered ground, but I am stuck in a
> > relational
> > > database conundrum.
> > >
> > > Simple world, there are companies, they have associates (people), those
> > > people have events, and those events require notification circles.
> > >
> > > For example, a driver for a trucking company, may have a medical
> > inspection,
> > > notification of the due date for which, is to be sent to the trucker as
> > well
> > > as the company's dispatcher (so that, after a certain date, the
> > dispatcher
> > > will remember not to send that trucker on any routes without proof of
> > > completed medical check).
> > >
> > > I am struggling over whether to make all events tied to the company
> with
> > a
> > > FK, or whether to make all events tied to an Associate, thus only
> > indirectly
> > > tied to the Company.
> > >
> > > The reason for my second-guessing the latter approach, which on the
> face
> > of
> > > things seems obvious, is scalability. Suppose there are certain kinds
> of
> > > events which are not related to associates, but based on the company
> > itself.
> > > I can't think of too many of examples of these off-hand, but for
> example,
> > > certain marketing oriented events, or billing related events, might be
> > worth
> > > tracking.
> > >
> > > If I chose the other approach, to work at a Company level, create an
> > Event
> > > for that company, then choose the Associate(s) for whom the Event
> > mattered,
> > > then it seems all bases would be covered.
> > >
> > > Am I right in leaning towards the latter approach?
> > >
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> >
> >
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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Tue May 28 11:45:23 2013
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 09:45:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Questions about Attachments
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jXLtBHhhvj82_7vafhO+vmPtcJk3wgZ1MXWg1ZQEQ1cw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jXLtBHhhvj82_7vafhO+vmPtcJk3wgZ1MXWg1ZQEQ1cw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004901ce5bc2$bfabe660$3f03b320$@cox.net>

Arthur,

My one experience with attachment fields was not good. Inherited a database
using attachment fields for document storage. It was slow and had large back
end file size. The customer wanted it faster. Due to the projected use of
the system we decided to upsize to SQL Server. Attachment fields do not
upsize. Neither do any of the other "new" field types introduced with Access
2007.  My suggestion is to strongly encourage storing links in table to
pictures in the file system.  If the database is to work over a network it
will slow down with the attachment fields.

Not much information but a little experience.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 5:00 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Questions about Attachments

A potential client wants an app whose principal table contains addresses and
three pictures per address. Normally my first suggestion would be to store
the pictures as JPG files and pointers to the pictures either in a
multi-value field or in an associative table (AddressID, PictureName). But
the client seems to want the pictures stored as attachments in the Addresses
table. I have very little experience working with Attachments, other than
reading through Helen Feddema's example code.

1. Assuming that I walk the directory containing the pictures and have a
method of knowing which pictures belong to each Address, how can I
programmatically move the picture into the Address as an attachment?
2. Assuming that the pictures are now Attachments, can I extract them for
inclusion in a report? I.e. print each Address and its pictures.
3. I'm told that once the photos have been taken, there will never be a need
to edit them, but whenever I hear the word Never, I reach for my revolver.
Should that need ever arise, can one simply double-click the Attachment of
interest and automatically invoke the appropriate editor?
I.e. this question could apply equally to pictures and, say, Word documents.

TIA,
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Tue May 28 11:50:29 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 12:50:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A noun is a person place or thing - what is an Event?
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAuMJqXebpp9-drphEahaRMTogq8d--E20FSzkxYJMDuhQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00d801ce5b52$455e7ff0$d01b7fd0$@gmail.com>
	<51A42A1C.14049.38DF109D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAGuQ9V7PFmp36s=Fy6spMhKtoWQkUcqCLA3_OP96oF1TrX9Vog@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKvidAuMJqXebpp9-drphEahaRMTogq8d--E20FSzkxYJMDuhQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V5T260kn+qHd_Ksz9jNDJ++5AfrqZ=it9udaA61qZy9Vw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks All , I need time to digest responses. Critical at this stage to
pick the right design, going back and changing later will be painful.
Hopefully the choice is more arbitrary.

I am so far leaning towards advice already given that an Event item stands
on its own in an Event table and may have as many relationships to
associates within a company as I care to populate into a cross table.
On May 28, 2013 8:04 AM, "jack drawbridge" <jackandpat.d at gmail.com> wrote:

> Are the items of info collected at the various Events similar? You may want
> to investigate subtype/supertype.
> see
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc505839.aspx
>
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7044448/supertype-subtype-database-schema-question
> http://www.crcnetbase.com/doi/abs/10.1201/9780203486054.ch8
>
> Your Events,reminded me of the Generalization Vehicles for  Trains, Planes
> and Automobiles.
> jack
>
> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 3:54 AM, William Benson <vbacreations at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > An event cannot apply to muliple companies.
> > On May 27, 2013 11:54 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Can an event relate to multiple associates in different companies?
> > >
> > > i.e. six people from each of four different companies all attend the
> same
> > > seminar?
> > >
> > > If so, I'd go with an Event table and a link table containing eventID
> and
> > > associateID.
> > >
> > > Alternatively make your link table:
> > >
> > > EventID
> > > LevelFlag
> > > ConcernedPartyID
> > >
> > > where LevelFlag is C]ompany or A]ssociate and the value of that flag is
> > > used to determine
> > > which table is linked.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Stuart
> > >
> > > On 27 May 2013 at 23:20, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi this may well be long-ago-covered ground, but I am stuck in a
> > > relational
> > > > database conundrum.
> > > >
> > > > Simple world, there are companies, they have associates (people),
> those
> > > > people have events, and those events require notification circles.
> > > >
> > > > For example, a driver for a trucking company, may have a medical
> > > inspection,
> > > > notification of the due date for which, is to be sent to the trucker
> as
> > > well
> > > > as the company's dispatcher (so that, after a certain date, the
> > > dispatcher
> > > > will remember not to send that trucker on any routes without proof of
> > > > completed medical check).
> > > >
> > > > I am struggling over whether to make all events tied to the company
> > with
> > > a
> > > > FK, or whether to make all events tied to an Associate, thus only
> > > indirectly
> > > > tied to the Company.
> > > >
> > > > The reason for my second-guessing the latter approach, which on the
> > face
> > > of
> > > > things seems obvious, is scalability. Suppose there are certain kinds
> > of
> > > > events which are not related to associates, but based on the company
> > > itself.
> > > > I can't think of too many of examples of these off-hand, but for
> > example,
> > > > certain marketing oriented events, or billing related events, might
> be
> > > worth
> > > > tracking.
> > > >
> > > > If I chose the other approach, to work at a Company level, create an
> > > Event
> > > > for that company, then choose the Associate(s) for whom the Event
> > > mattered,
> > > > then it seems all bases would be covered.
> > > >
> > > > Am I right in leaning towards the latter approach?
> > > >
> > > > --
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> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Tue May 28 11:53:27 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 12:53:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A noun is a person place or thing - what is an Event?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gYZ0-EaTYA1_3ah=XiWToGoDMTfX7xwwEW48ZbADSAUw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00d901ce5b52$8da2ddb0$a8e89910$@gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1gYZ0-EaTYA1_3ah=XiWToGoDMTfX7xwwEW48ZbADSAUw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V65dbYrPZ+Yo-r0yeCaNhtVF0PXa1W_o5aDrnCbYOxdkA@mail.gmail.com>

I like this approach because if more associates are added later they would
not get left out. Super good forward thinking thinking Arthur.
On May 27, 2013 11:53 PM, "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> One possibility is to include an EventType column, with one value
> identifying company events such as the annual picnic and another value
> identifying employee events. Depending on that value, you could switch the
> rowsource of the combobox to suit. Both types of events could reside in a
> single table, with queries identifying one type or the other. Just a
> thought.
>
> Arthur
>
>
> On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 11:22 PM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) <
> vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I realize I have used "latter approach" kind of ambiguously in the
> "latter"
> > sentence.
> >
> >
> > LOL    (Lots of Latters)...
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: William Benson (VBACreations.Com) [mailto:vbacreations at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 11:20 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: A noun is a person place or thing - what is an Event?
> >
> > Hi this may well be long-ago-covered ground, but I am stuck in a
> relational
> > database conundrum.
> >
> > Simple world, there are companies, they have associates (people), those
> > people have events, and those events require notification circles.
> >
> > For example, a driver for a trucking company, may have a medical
> > inspection,
> > notification of the due date for which, is to be sent to the trucker as
> > well
> > as the company's dispatcher (so that, after a certain date, the
> dispatcher
> > will remember not to send that trucker on any routes without proof of
> > completed medical check).
> >
> > I am struggling over whether to make all events tied to the company with
> a
> > FK, or whether to make all events tied to an Associate, thus only
> > indirectly
> > tied to the Company.
> >
> > The reason for my second-guessing the latter approach, which on the face
> of
> > things seems obvious, is scalability. Suppose there are certain kinds of
> > events which are not related to associates, but based on the company
> > itself.
> > I can't think of too many of examples of these off-hand, but for example,
> > certain marketing oriented events, or billing related events, might be
> > worth
> > tracking.
> >
> > If I chose the other approach, to work at a Company level, create an
> Event
> > for that company, then choose the Associate(s) for whom the Event
> mattered,
> > then it seems all bases would be covered.
> >
> > Am I right in leaning towards the latter approach?
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
>
> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>   -- Niels Bohr
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue May 28 12:37:42 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 13:37:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A noun is a person place or thing - what is an Event?
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V65dbYrPZ+Yo-r0yeCaNhtVF0PXa1W_o5aDrnCbYOxdkA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00d901ce5b52$8da2ddb0$a8e89910$@gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1gYZ0-EaTYA1_3ah=XiWToGoDMTfX7xwwEW48ZbADSAUw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGuQ9V65dbYrPZ+Yo-r0yeCaNhtVF0PXa1W_o5aDrnCbYOxdkA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1i5MpjouTN2vXZmHRDXjS44GVr7Vb07DfW20q7HFLxNwQ@mail.gmail.com>

Aw.... you flatter me, William! LOL.


On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 12:53 PM, William Benson <vbacreations at gmail.com>wrote:

> I like this approach because if more associates are added later they would
> not get left out. Super good forward thinking thinking Arthur.
> On May 27, 2013 11:53 PM, "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > One possibility is to include an EventType column, with one value
> > identifying company events such as the annual picnic and another value
> > identifying employee events. Depending on that value, you could switch
> the
> > rowsource of the combobox to suit. Both types of events could reside in a
> > single table, with queries identifying one type or the other. Just a
> > thought.
> >
> > Arthur
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 11:22 PM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) <
> > vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I realize I have used "latter approach" kind of ambiguously in the
> > "latter"
> > > sentence.
> > >
> > >
> > > LOL    (Lots of Latters)...
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: William Benson (VBACreations.Com) [mailto:vbacreations at gmail.com
> ]
> > > Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 11:20 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: A noun is a person place or thing - what is an Event?
> > >
> > > Hi this may well be long-ago-covered ground, but I am stuck in a
> > relational
> > > database conundrum.
> > >
> > > Simple world, there are companies, they have associates (people), those
> > > people have events, and those events require notification circles.
> > >
> > > For example, a driver for a trucking company, may have a medical
> > > inspection,
> > > notification of the due date for which, is to be sent to the trucker as
> > > well
> > > as the company's dispatcher (so that, after a certain date, the
> > dispatcher
> > > will remember not to send that trucker on any routes without proof of
> > > completed medical check).
> > >
> > > I am struggling over whether to make all events tied to the company
> with
> > a
> > > FK, or whether to make all events tied to an Associate, thus only
> > > indirectly
> > > tied to the Company.
> > >
> > > The reason for my second-guessing the latter approach, which on the
> face
> > of
> > > things seems obvious, is scalability. Suppose there are certain kinds
> of
> > > events which are not related to associates, but based on the company
> > > itself.
> > > I can't think of too many of examples of these off-hand, but for
> example,
> > > certain marketing oriented events, or billing related events, might be
> > > worth
> > > tracking.
> > >
> > > If I chose the other approach, to work at a Company level, create an
> > Event
> > > for that company, then choose the Associate(s) for whom the Event
> > mattered,
> > > then it seems all bases would be covered.
> > >
> > > Am I right in leaning towards the latter approach?
> > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Arthur
> > Cell: 647.710.1314
> >
> > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
> >   -- Niels Bohr
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
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> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> >
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>



-- 
Arthur
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Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Tue May 28 12:51:40 2013
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 10:51:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Questions about Attachments
In-Reply-To: <004901ce5bc2$bfabe660$3f03b320$@cox.net>
References: <CAEPJO1jXLtBHhhvj82_7vafhO+vmPtcJk3wgZ1MXWg1ZQEQ1cw@mail.gmail.com>
	<004901ce5bc2$bfabe660$3f03b320$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWbh-C6XHmCLCmM7wdcstH6TB3hnpbstbrr5R9a8tKYz2w@mail.gmail.com>

In one of my ADPs, I have a form where a person can add an picture
attachment to a machine's history.

The form has a button where they can choose the attachment.

I simply copy and paste the file (which is also renamed to a generated guid
+ file extension) to a location on a file server.
I insert the file name and the record's PK into a junction table (as a
foreign key) then call it as needed.




On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Doug Murphy <dw-murphy at cox.net> wrote:

> Arthur,
>
> My one experience with attachment fields was not good. Inherited a database
> using attachment fields for document storage. It was slow and had large
> back
> end file size. The customer wanted it faster. Due to the projected use of
> the system we decided to upsize to SQL Server. Attachment fields do not
> upsize. Neither do any of the other "new" field types introduced with
> Access
> 2007.  My suggestion is to strongly encourage storing links in table to
> pictures in the file system.  If the database is to work over a network it
> will slow down with the attachment fields.
>
> Not much information but a little experience.
>
> Doug
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 5:00 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Questions about Attachments
>
> A potential client wants an app whose principal table contains addresses
> and
> three pictures per address. Normally my first suggestion would be to store
> the pictures as JPG files and pointers to the pictures either in a
> multi-value field or in an associative table (AddressID, PictureName). But
> the client seems to want the pictures stored as attachments in the
> Addresses
> table. I have very little experience working with Attachments, other than
> reading through Helen Feddema's example code.
>
> 1. Assuming that I walk the directory containing the pictures and have a
> method of knowing which pictures belong to each Address, how can I
> programmatically move the picture into the Address as an attachment?
> 2. Assuming that the pictures are now Attachments, can I extract them for
> inclusion in a report? I.e. print each Address and its pictures.
> 3. I'm told that once the photos have been taken, there will never be a
> need
> to edit them, but whenever I hear the word Never, I reach for my revolver.
> Should that need ever arise, can one simply double-click the Attachment of
> interest and automatically invoke the appropriate editor?
> I.e. this question could apply equally to pictures and, say, Word
> documents.
>
> TIA,
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
>
> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>   -- Niels Bohr
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue May 28 12:54:40 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 13:54:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Questions about Attachments
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWbh-C6XHmCLCmM7wdcstH6TB3hnpbstbrr5R9a8tKYz2w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jXLtBHhhvj82_7vafhO+vmPtcJk3wgZ1MXWg1ZQEQ1cw@mail.gmail.com>
	<004901ce5bc2$bfabe660$3f03b320$@cox.net>
	<CAMhYZWbh-C6XHmCLCmM7wdcstH6TB3hnpbstbrr5R9a8tKYz2w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1i1qafN9xZU3cwnvQ-Zf4+=3VVOUzhY1h2J_i9s=0MFfA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, David. I'll incorporate your thoughts in my RFQ.

Arthur


On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 1:51 PM, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com> wrote:

> In one of my ADPs, I have a form where a person can add an picture
> attachment to a machine's history.
>
> The form has a button where they can choose the attachment.
>
> I simply copy and paste the file (which is also renamed to a generated guid
> + file extension) to a location on a file server.
> I insert the file name and the record's PK into a junction table (as a
> foreign key) then call it as needed.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Doug Murphy <dw-murphy at cox.net> wrote:
>
> > Arthur,
> >
> > My one experience with attachment fields was not good. Inherited a
> database
> > using attachment fields for document storage. It was slow and had large
> > back
> > end file size. The customer wanted it faster. Due to the projected use of
> > the system we decided to upsize to SQL Server. Attachment fields do not
> > upsize. Neither do any of the other "new" field types introduced with
> > Access
> > 2007.  My suggestion is to strongly encourage storing links in table to
> > pictures in the file system.  If the database is to work over a network
> it
> > will slow down with the attachment fields.
> >
> > Not much information but a little experience.
> >
> > Doug
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 5:00 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: [AccessD] Questions about Attachments
> >
> > A potential client wants an app whose principal table contains addresses
> > and
> > three pictures per address. Normally my first suggestion would be to
> store
> > the pictures as JPG files and pointers to the pictures either in a
> > multi-value field or in an associative table (AddressID, PictureName).
> But
> > the client seems to want the pictures stored as attachments in the
> > Addresses
> > table. I have very little experience working with Attachments, other than
> > reading through Helen Feddema's example code.
> >
> > 1. Assuming that I walk the directory containing the pictures and have a
> > method of knowing which pictures belong to each Address, how can I
> > programmatically move the picture into the Address as an attachment?
> > 2. Assuming that the pictures are now Attachments, can I extract them for
> > inclusion in a report? I.e. print each Address and its pictures.
> > 3. I'm told that once the photos have been taken, there will never be a
> > need
> > to edit them, but whenever I hear the word Never, I reach for my
> revolver.
> > Should that need ever arise, can one simply double-click the Attachment
> of
> > interest and automatically invoke the appropriate editor?
> > I.e. this question could apply equally to pictures and, say, Word
> > documents.
> >
> > TIA,
> > Arthur
> > Cell: 647.710.1314
> >
> > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
> >   -- Niels Bohr
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Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue May 28 13:46:21 2013
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 14:46:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Questions about Attachments
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1i1qafN9xZU3cwnvQ-Zf4+=3VVOUzhY1h2J_i9s=0MFfA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jXLtBHhhvj82_7vafhO+vmPtcJk3wgZ1MXWg1ZQEQ1cw@mail.gmail.com>
	<004901ce5bc2$bfabe660$3f03b320$@cox.net>
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Message-ID: <818BC5ED86CB43D293072AE6730F6817@XPS>

Arthur,

 As the others have said, I would avoid the attachment data type. I know on
EE there have been a few that used this control:

http://www.ammara.com/

And really liked it.  It will store images directly in BLOBs within the DB
or as external files.

It has a trail download so you can try it out.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 01:55 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Questions about Attachments

Thanks, David. I'll incorporate your thoughts in my RFQ.

Arthur


On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 1:51 PM, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com> wrote:

> In one of my ADPs, I have a form where a person can add an picture
> attachment to a machine's history.
>
> The form has a button where they can choose the attachment.
>
> I simply copy and paste the file (which is also renamed to a generated
guid
> + file extension) to a location on a file server.
> I insert the file name and the record's PK into a junction table (as a
> foreign key) then call it as needed.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Doug Murphy <dw-murphy at cox.net> wrote:
>
> > Arthur,
> >
> > My one experience with attachment fields was not good. Inherited a
> database
> > using attachment fields for document storage. It was slow and had large
> > back
> > end file size. The customer wanted it faster. Due to the projected use
of
> > the system we decided to upsize to SQL Server. Attachment fields do not
> > upsize. Neither do any of the other "new" field types introduced with
> > Access
> > 2007.  My suggestion is to strongly encourage storing links in table to
> > pictures in the file system.  If the database is to work over a network
> it
> > will slow down with the attachment fields.
> >
> > Not much information but a little experience.
> >
> > Doug
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 5:00 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: [AccessD] Questions about Attachments
> >
> > A potential client wants an app whose principal table contains addresses
> > and
> > three pictures per address. Normally my first suggestion would be to
> store
> > the pictures as JPG files and pointers to the pictures either in a
> > multi-value field or in an associative table (AddressID, PictureName).
> But
> > the client seems to want the pictures stored as attachments in the
> > Addresses
> > table. I have very little experience working with Attachments, other
than
> > reading through Helen Feddema's example code.
> >
> > 1. Assuming that I walk the directory containing the pictures and have a
> > method of knowing which pictures belong to each Address, how can I
> > programmatically move the picture into the Address as an attachment?
> > 2. Assuming that the pictures are now Attachments, can I extract them
for
> > inclusion in a report? I.e. print each Address and its pictures.
> > 3. I'm told that once the photos have been taken, there will never be a
> > need
> > to edit them, but whenever I hear the word Never, I reach for my
> revolver.
> > Should that need ever arise, can one simply double-click the Attachment
> of
> > interest and automatically invoke the appropriate editor?
> > I.e. this question could apply equally to pictures and, say, Word
> > documents.
> >
> > TIA,
> > Arthur
> > Cell: 647.710.1314
> >
> > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
> >   -- Niels Bohr
> > --
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From df.waters at comcast.net  Tue May 28 14:02:58 2013
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 14:02:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Questions about Attachments
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1i1qafN9xZU3cwnvQ-Zf4+=3VVOUzhY1h2J_i9s=0MFfA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jXLtBHhhvj82_7vafhO+vmPtcJk3wgZ1MXWg1ZQEQ1cw@mail.gmail.com>	<004901ce5bc2$bfabe660$3f03b320$@cox.net>	<CAMhYZWbh-C6XHmCLCmM7wdcstH6TB3hnpbstbrr5R9a8tKYz2w@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Arthur,

Coincidence!  Yesterday I wrote the following procedure to store photographs
for a small inventory management system.  I made the file name unique by
incorporating the year, month, day, hour, minute, and second.  I also
included the unique Stock Number because someone invariably wants to
directly find the file by the stock number name.  There can be more than one
photo for each stock number.

CleanFileName is a library procedure used to strip illegal characters from
the Stock Number which can't be used in a file name.
    Const IllegalCharacters As String = "#;:?/\+[]{}()<>`|^*~=@$!_~%" & """"
& vbTab

Procedure:
'------------------------------
Private Sub butGetPhoto_Click()

    Dim stgFilePathOriginal As String
    Dim stgInventoryPhotoPath As String
    Dim fso As FileSystemObject
    Dim stgPhotoFileName As String
    Dim stgFilePathNew As String
    Dim stg As String
    Dim lngInventoryID As Long

    '-- Storing a new file
    stgFilePathOriginal = GetFilePath
    If stgFilePathOriginal = "" Then Exit Sub

    Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")

    stgInventoryPhotoPath = CurrentProject.Path & "\InventoryPhotos\"
    If fso.FolderExists(stgInventoryPhotoPath) = False Then
        fso.CreateFolder stgInventoryPhotoPath
    End If

    stgPhotoFileName = "SN" & Me.Parent.txtStockNumber
    stgPhotoFileName = CleanFileName(stgPhotoFileName)
    stgPhotoFileName = Replace(stgPhotoFileName, " ", "")
    stgPhotoFileName = stgPhotoFileName & "_" & Format(Now(), "yyyy") &
Format(Now(), "mm") & Format(Now(), "dd") & "_" & Format(Now(), "HhNnSs")

    stgFilePathNew = stgInventoryPhotoPath & stgPhotoFileName & "." &
fso.GetExtensionName(stgFilePathOriginal)

    fso.CopyFile stgFilePathOriginal, stgFilePathNew, True

    '-- Save file path
    lngInventoryID = Me.Parent.txtInventoryID
    stg = "INSERT INTO tblPhotographs ( InventoryID, PhotoFilePath )" _
          & " VALUES (" & lngInventoryID & ", '" & stgFilePathNew & "')"
    DBEngine(0)(0).Execute stg, dbSeeChanges Or dbFailOnError

End Sub
'-----------------------------------------------------




From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue May 28 15:20:13 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 16:20:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Questions about Attachments
In-Reply-To: <004501ce5bd5$f84f47b0$e8edd710$@comcast.net>
References: <CAEPJO1jXLtBHhhvj82_7vafhO+vmPtcJk3wgZ1MXWg1ZQEQ1cw@mail.gmail.com>
	<004901ce5bc2$bfabe660$3f03b320$@cox.net>
	<CAMhYZWbh-C6XHmCLCmM7wdcstH6TB3hnpbstbrr5R9a8tKYz2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1i1qafN9xZU3cwnvQ-Zf4+=3VVOUzhY1h2J_i9s=0MFfA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iXfVqcrGqG0HTNUWj5gVE5s14NB0nkZLpzpAr=gm6JAQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Dan. I'll give your code a spin and see if I like the result. At
this writing, I'm still in favour of the pointer method rather than the
attachment method, but I'm willing to entertain new ideas. Thanks.

Arthur


On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Dan Waters <df.waters at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi Arthur,
>
> Coincidence!  Yesterday I wrote the following procedure to store
> photographs
> for a small inventory management system.  I made the file name unique by
> incorporating the year, month, day, hour, minute, and second.  I also
> included the unique Stock Number because someone invariably wants to
> directly find the file by the stock number name.  There can be more than
> one
> photo for each stock number.
>
> CleanFileName is a library procedure used to strip illegal characters from
> the Stock Number which can't be used in a file name.
>     Const IllegalCharacters As String = "#;:?/\+[]{}()<>`|^*~=@$!_~%" &
> """"
> & vbTab
>
> Procedure:
> '------------------------------
> Private Sub butGetPhoto_Click()
>
>     Dim stgFilePathOriginal As String
>     Dim stgInventoryPhotoPath As String
>     Dim fso As FileSystemObject
>     Dim stgPhotoFileName As String
>     Dim stgFilePathNew As String
>     Dim stg As String
>     Dim lngInventoryID As Long
>
>     '-- Storing a new file
>     stgFilePathOriginal = GetFilePath
>     If stgFilePathOriginal = "" Then Exit Sub
>
>     Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
>
>     stgInventoryPhotoPath = CurrentProject.Path & "\InventoryPhotos\"
>     If fso.FolderExists(stgInventoryPhotoPath) = False Then
>         fso.CreateFolder stgInventoryPhotoPath
>     End If
>
>     stgPhotoFileName = "SN" & Me.Parent.txtStockNumber
>     stgPhotoFileName = CleanFileName(stgPhotoFileName)
>     stgPhotoFileName = Replace(stgPhotoFileName, " ", "")
>     stgPhotoFileName = stgPhotoFileName & "_" & Format(Now(), "yyyy") &
> Format(Now(), "mm") & Format(Now(), "dd") & "_" & Format(Now(), "HhNnSs")
>
>     stgFilePathNew = stgInventoryPhotoPath & stgPhotoFileName & "." &
> fso.GetExtensionName(stgFilePathOriginal)
>
>     fso.CopyFile stgFilePathOriginal, stgFilePathNew, True
>
>     '-- Save file path
>     lngInventoryID = Me.Parent.txtInventoryID
>     stg = "INSERT INTO tblPhotographs ( InventoryID, PhotoFilePath )" _
>           & " VALUES (" & lngInventoryID & ", '" & stgFilePathNew & "')"
>     DBEngine(0)(0).Execute stg, dbSeeChanges Or dbFailOnError
>
> End Sub
> '-----------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
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Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue May 28 22:13:35 2013
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 23:13:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Determining 64-bit OS
In-Reply-To: <D3E70B944B2141B5A0A0D0CDD7ED6652@XPS>
References: <CAH+Met-mR39b7+mRrRuSpk8LpadTtV0=wdKVRY7tUEwVc=1izg@mail.gmail.com>
	<000901ce5b02$bd7fbad0$387f3070$@comcast.net>
	<000a01ce5b07$cf6cb630$6e462290$@comcast.net>
	<CAH+Met87XKjw43_uPia4mEy9h+-oU=uRgrZYWmCoBJ=F5ruxhg@mail.gmail.com>
	<D3E70B944B2141B5A0A0D0CDD7ED6652@XPS>
Message-ID: <016201ce5c1a$82377260$86a65720$@net>

Re: "Poorly  named I know, but it's been a long tradition that they
apparently did not want to break."

Just "HBB" - Horrible Beyond Belief.

Just more of the stupidity of that CEO at MSFT....and his band of
foreigners.

Sorry to "vent".



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 9:39 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Determining 64-bit OS
>
>
>  FYI: The win64 constant is not for the OS; it tells you if VBA is
> running
> 64 bit or 32 bit.
>
>   Poorly  named I know, but it's been a long tradition that they
> apparently
> did not want to break.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 04:13 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Determining 64-bit OS
>
> I knew I was missing something simple!  Thanks.
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Dan Waters <df.waters at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Forgot to include:
> >
> > '--------------------------------
> > Option Compare Database
> > Option Explicit
> >
> > Private Type OSVERSIONINFO
> >     dwOSVersionInfoSize As Long
> >     dwMajorVersion As Long
> >     dwMinorVersion As Long
> >     dwBuildNumber As Long
> >     dwPlatformId As Long
> >     szCSDVersion As String * 128
> > End Type
> >
> > Public Declare Function GetVersionExA Lib "kernel32"
> (lpVersionInformation
> > As OSVERSIONINFO) As Integer
> >
> > Public Function WindowsVersion() As String
> >
> >     Dim osinfo As OSVERSIONINFO
> >     Dim retvalue As Integer
> >
> >     osinfo.dwOSVersionInfoSize = 148
> >     osinfo.szCSDVersion = Space$(128)
> >     retvalue = GetVersionExA(osinfo)
> >
> >     WindowsVersion = osinfo.dwMajorVersion & "." &
> osinfo.dwMinorVersion &
> > "
> > Build (" & osinfo.dwBuildNumber & ") " &
> fTrimNull(osinfo.szCSDVersion)
> >
> > End Function
> >
> > Private Function fTrimNull(strIn As String) As String
> >
> >     Dim intPos As Integer
> >
> >     intPos = InStr(1, strIn, vbNullChar)
> >
> >     If intPos <> 0 Then
> >         fTrimNull = Mid$(strIn, 1, intPos - 1)
> >     Else
> >         fTrimNull = strIn
> >     End If
> >
> > End Function
> > '---------------------------------------------
> >
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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Wed May 29 13:16:14 2013
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 14:16:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Citing entered data range on report
In-Reply-To: <016201ce5c1a$82377260$86a65720$@net>
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	<016201ce5c1a$82377260$86a65720$@net>
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I am creating this report for our DA's office, that let's them enter a start date and an ending date, and it shows all witness fees & mileage paid out for that range, with a total at the end. What I do not have though...and maybe I'm just having a brain-dead moment here...is the range that it covers. I'd like it to list the range somewhere on the report. 
 
Now, I did this the quick and easy way and had it based on a query, and it is in that query that I placed the spot for date entries, by putting the code, ">=[StartDate] And <=[EndDate]" in the date field. Is there a way to use this entered info, or do I need to create an input form and have the dates entered there?

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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Wed May 29 13:22:15 2013
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 11:22:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Citing entered data range on report
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You could return the parameters in the query by creating an expression
field for each. That would allow you to see it in the report, but I prefer
to capture start and end dates in the form that selects the report and pass
it into the report in OpenArgs.

Charlotte

On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 11:16 AM, John Clark
<John.Clark at niagaracounty.com>wrote:

> I am creating this report for our DA's office, that let's them enter a
> start date and an ending date, and it shows all witness fees & mileage paid
> out for that range, with a total at the end. What I do not have
> though...and maybe I'm just having a brain-dead moment here...is the range
> that it covers. I'd like it to list the range somewhere on the report.
>
> Now, I did this the quick and easy way and had it based on a query, and it
> is in that query that I placed the spot for date entries, by putting the
> code, ">=[StartDate] And <=[EndDate]" in the date field. Is there a way to
> use this entered info, or do I need to create an input form and have the
> dates entered there?
>
> Notice: This electronic transmission is intended for the sole use of the
> individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential,
> privileged or otherwise legally protected information. If you are not the
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed May 29 16:42:01 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 07:42:01 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Citing entered data range on report
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References: <CAH+Met-mR39b7+mRrRuSpk8LpadTtV0=wdKVRY7tUEwVc=1izg@mail.gmail.com>,
	<51A60DAE0200006B0002D3B8@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>,
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Charlotte's "two expressions in the query" is the simplest way to go based on your current 
paramter input method, but I'd go with a simple form that captures the start and end dates 
instead - it is extensible in future if you want a choice of reports or the option to view/print 
preview/print the report.

In the second situtation, I don't pass the dates as OpenArgs, I create a couple of status 
functions which are set in the code which calls the report use and are used as sriterai in the  
the query. 

-- 
Stuart
 

On 29 May 2013 at 11:22, Charlotte Foust wrote:

> You could return the parameters in the query by creating an expression
> field for each. That would allow you to see it in the report, but I prefer
> to capture start and end dates in the form that selects the report and pass
> it into the report in OpenArgs.
> 
> Charlotte
> 
> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 11:16 AM, John Clark
> <John.Clark at niagaracounty.com>wrote:
> 
> > I am creating this report for our DA's office, that let's them enter a
> > start date and an ending date, and it shows all witness fees & mileage paid
> > out for that range, with a total at the end. What I do not have
> > though...and maybe I'm just having a brain-dead moment here...is the range
> > that it covers. I'd like it to list the range somewhere on the report.
> >
> > Now, I did this the quick and easy way and had it based on a query, and it
> > is in that query that I placed the spot for date entries, by putting the
> > code, ">=[StartDate] And <=[EndDate]" in the date field. Is there a way to
> > use this entered info, or do I need to create an input form and have the
> > dates entered there?
> >
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Thu May 30 00:18:47 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 01:18:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dropbox/MS Access problem.
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAtk2N3vHMdrP_niCcDb-32064fv6m-650FzQofxPvP+HQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFa8NkjeqauukfAdTkwjLo=w5wM_CWSjb+nN7_z1qgy5=DaaZg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKvidAtk2N3vHMdrP_niCcDb-32064fv6m-650FzQofxPvP+HQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V7bBnwQAv18FJph9bc9TRyGHd13-KfnuvbGK8taRp_awg@mail.gmail.com>

If you open an mdb and work on it in access 2007/2010 appli cation, it
should leave it as an mdb unless you convert it. The setting you mentioned
is supposed to deal with new databases, not magically convert and upgrade
existing databases. That wouls create chaos in multiuser environments.

That just seems wrong. It has to be how it is being published, not just
worked in... ???
On May 28, 2013 7:52 AM, "jack drawbridge" <jackandpat.d at gmail.com> wrote:

> Doug,
>
> Do you happen to have the "save files as accdb" turned on? I just loaded
> Acc2010 recently and each file I looked at got saved with accdb. I then set
> the "save files as 2003 or similar and I then had mdb files.
> I'm wondering if your default/current setting is 2007/2010, then you might
> get accdb automatically.  ie nothing to do with dropbox???
> jack
>
> On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Doug Steele <dbdoug at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I got a baffled call from a client this morning, wanting to know why I
> had
> > changed their back end from an .mdb file to an .accdb file.
> >
> > I said I had downloaded the accdb file from their Dropbox account to work
> > on it.  The client said they didn't have an accdb file on Dropbox.
> >
> > Assuming that I had had (yet another) senior moment, I logged in and sure
> > enough, the copy of the back end was definitely an mdb.
> >
> > Then, before my very eyes, as soon as I clicked on the mdb file to
> download
> > it, Dropbox changed the extension to 'accdb' on my computer (which only
> has
> > Office 2010 installed).  Arghhh!
> >
> > I checked, and Dropbox doesn't do any conversion - it's just an mdb with
> > the wrong extension.  So be warned!
> >
> > Doug
> > --
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Thu May 30 00:46:35 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 01:46:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dropbox/MS Access problem.
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V7bBnwQAv18FJph9bc9TRyGHd13-KfnuvbGK8taRp_awg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFa8NkjeqauukfAdTkwjLo=w5wM_CWSjb+nN7_z1qgy5=DaaZg@mail.gmail.com>	<CAKvidAtk2N3vHMdrP_niCcDb-32064fv6m-650FzQofxPvP+HQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGuQ9V7bBnwQAv18FJph9bc9TRyGHd13-KfnuvbGK8taRp_awg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <024101ce5cf9$0c4d2ec0$24e78c40$@gmail.com>

Jack, where is toggle you mention? I cannot find any setting other than the
one which controls new database formats. Beyond that, only the Save As
command controls conversion format, as mentioned in this article. 
http://goo.gl/VJ63D
 
Convert an Access 2000 or Access 2002 - 2003 database to the .accdb format
To convert an Access 2000 or Access 2002 - 2003 database (.mdb) to the
.accdb file format, you must first open the database by using Access 2007 or
Access 2010, and then save it in the .accdb file format.
1.On the File tab, click Open.
2.In the Open dialog box, select and open the Access 2000 or Access 2002 -
2003 database (.mdb) that you want to convert.
 Note    If the Database Enhancement dialog box appears, the database is
using a file format that is earlier than Access 2000. To continue, see the
section Convert an Access 97 database to the .accdb format.
3.On the File tab, click Save & Publish, and then, under Database File Types
click Access Database (*.accdb). 
4.Click Save As.
If any database objects are open when you click Save As, Access prompts you
to close them prior to creating the copy. Click Yes to make Access close the
objects, or click No to cancel the entire process. If needed, Access will
also prompt you to save any changes.
5.In the Save As dialog box, type a file name in the File name box, and then
click Save.
Access creates the copy of the database, and then opens the copy. Access
automatically closes the original database.
 
From: William Benson [mailto:vbacreations at gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 1:19 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dropbox/MS Access problem.
 
If you open an mdb and work on it in access 2007/2010 appli cation, it
should leave it as an mdb unless you convert it. The setting you mentioned
is supposed to deal with new databases, not magically convert and upgrade
existing databases. That wouls create chaos in multiuser environments. 
That just seems wrong. It has to be how it is being published, not just
worked in... ???
On May 28, 2013 7:52 AM, "jack drawbridge" <jackandpat.d at gmail.com> wrote:
Doug,

Do you happen to have the "save files as accdb" turned on? I just loaded
Acc2010 recently and each file I looked at got saved with accdb. I then set
the "save files as 2003 or similar and I then had mdb files.
I'm wondering if your default/current setting is 2007/2010, then you might
get accdb automatically.  ie nothing to do with dropbox???
jack

On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Doug Steele <dbdoug at gmail.com> wrote:

> I got a baffled call from a client this morning, wanting to know why I had
> changed their back end from an .mdb file to an .accdb file.
>
> I said I had downloaded the accdb file from their Dropbox account to work
> on it.  The client said they didn't have an accdb file on Dropbox.
>
> Assuming that I had had (yet another) senior moment, I logged in and sure
> enough, the copy of the back end was definitely an mdb.
>
> Then, before my very eyes, as soon as I clicked on the mdb file to
download
> it, Dropbox changed the extension to 'accdb' on my computer (which only
has
> Office 2010 installed).  Arghhh!
>
> I checked, and Dropbox doesn't do any conversion - it's just an mdb with
> the wrong extension.  So be warned!
>
> Doug
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
--
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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Thu May 30 09:27:45 2013
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 10:27:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dropbox/MS Access problem.
In-Reply-To: <024101ce5cf9$0c4d2ec0$24e78c40$@gmail.com>
References: <CAFa8NkjeqauukfAdTkwjLo=w5wM_CWSjb+nN7_z1qgy5=DaaZg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKvidAtk2N3vHMdrP_niCcDb-32064fv6m-650FzQofxPvP+HQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGuQ9V7bBnwQAv18FJph9bc9TRyGHd13-KfnuvbGK8taRp_awg@mail.gmail.com>
	<024101ce5cf9$0c4d2ec0$24e78c40$@gmail.com>
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I don't recall specifically at the moment. I was having issues with new UI
with 2010, and was happy and used to 2003. Each time I tried something, if
i went to the other versio, Access was reloading the software, and I was
getting frustrated -- have to wait seems 3-5 minutes to start the program
each time. Whatever, I was doing, I was getting accdb files.
When I look at the options now, I see it says format for blank database on
the Options. So I'm not sure what I did. I don't open 2003 anymore so maybe
I have corrected my own manual processes/procedures unknowingly.

Sorry for being so vague, but my initial response was really trying to say
-- perhaps you have some flag set to convert to accdb (that's what I
thought my issue was). But doesn't appear to be any such flag.

jack


On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:46 AM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) <
vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote:

> Jack, where is toggle you mention? I cannot find any setting other than the
> one which controls new database formats. Beyond that, only the Save As
> command controls conversion format, as mentioned in this article.
> http://goo.gl/VJ63D
>
> Convert an Access 2000 or Access 2002 - 2003 database to the .accdb format
> To convert an Access 2000 or Access 2002 - 2003 database (.mdb) to the
> .accdb file format, you must first open the database by using Access 2007
> or
> Access 2010, and then save it in the .accdb file format.
> 1.On the File tab, click Open.
> 2.In the Open dialog box, select and open the Access 2000 or Access 2002 -
> 2003 database (.mdb) that you want to convert.
>  Note    If the Database Enhancement dialog box appears, the database is
> using a file format that is earlier than Access 2000. To continue, see the
> section Convert an Access 97 database to the .accdb format.
> 3.On the File tab, click Save & Publish, and then, under Database File
> Types
> click Access Database (*.accdb).
> 4.Click Save As.
> If any database objects are open when you click Save As, Access prompts you
> to close them prior to creating the copy. Click Yes to make Access close
> the
> objects, or click No to cancel the entire process. If needed, Access will
> also prompt you to save any changes.
> 5.In the Save As dialog box, type a file name in the File name box, and
> then
> click Save.
> Access creates the copy of the database, and then opens the copy. Access
> automatically closes the original database.
>
> From: William Benson [mailto:vbacreations at gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 1:19 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dropbox/MS Access problem.
>
> If you open an mdb and work on it in access 2007/2010 appli cation, it
> should leave it as an mdb unless you convert it. The setting you mentioned
> is supposed to deal with new databases, not magically convert and upgrade
> existing databases. That wouls create chaos in multiuser environments.
> That just seems wrong. It has to be how it is being published, not just
> worked in... ???
> On May 28, 2013 7:52 AM, "jack drawbridge" <jackandpat.d at gmail.com> wrote:
> Doug,
>
> Do you happen to have the "save files as accdb" turned on? I just loaded
> Acc2010 recently and each file I looked at got saved with accdb. I then set
> the "save files as 2003 or similar and I then had mdb files.
> I'm wondering if your default/current setting is 2007/2010, then you might
> get accdb automatically.  ie nothing to do with dropbox???
> jack
>
> On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Doug Steele <dbdoug at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I got a baffled call from a client this morning, wanting to know why I
> had
> > changed their back end from an .mdb file to an .accdb file.
> >
> > I said I had downloaded the accdb file from their Dropbox account to work
> > on it.  The client said they didn't have an accdb file on Dropbox.
> >
> > Assuming that I had had (yet another) senior moment, I logged in and sure
> > enough, the copy of the back end was definitely an mdb.
> >
> > Then, before my very eyes, as soon as I clicked on the mdb file to
> download
> > it, Dropbox changed the extension to 'accdb' on my computer (which only
> has
> > Office 2010 installed).  Arghhh!
> >
> > I checked, and Dropbox doesn't do any conversion - it's just an mdb with
> > the wrong extension.  So be warned!
> >
> > Doug
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
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>

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Thu May 30 09:55:00 2013
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 07:55:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dropbox/MS Access problem.
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References: <CAFa8NkjeqauukfAdTkwjLo=w5wM_CWSjb+nN7_z1qgy5=DaaZg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKvidAtk2N3vHMdrP_niCcDb-32064fv6m-650FzQofxPvP+HQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGuQ9V7bBnwQAv18FJph9bc9TRyGHd13-KfnuvbGK8taRp_awg@mail.gmail.com>
	<024101ce5cf9$0c4d2ec0$24e78c40$@gmail.com>
	<CAKvidAu1E4RO9g28-WytYKSLkoxzemME0gKA1gfOqUGQedj1AQ@mail.gmail.com>
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It's in Access Options under the General tab under creating databases.

Charlotte

On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 7:27 AM, jack drawbridge <jackandpat.d at gmail.com>wrote:

> I don't recall specifically at the moment. I was having issues with new UI
> with 2010, and was happy and used to 2003. Each time I tried something, if
> i went to the other versio, Access was reloading the software, and I was
> getting frustrated -- have to wait seems 3-5 minutes to start the program
> each time. Whatever, I was doing, I was getting accdb files.
> When I look at the options now, I see it says format for blank database on
> the Options. So I'm not sure what I did. I don't open 2003 anymore so maybe
> I have corrected my own manual processes/procedures unknowingly.
>
> Sorry for being so vague, but my initial response was really trying to say
> -- perhaps you have some flag set to convert to accdb (that's what I
> thought my issue was). But doesn't appear to be any such flag.
>
> jack
>
>
> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:46 AM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) <
> vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Jack, where is toggle you mention? I cannot find any setting other than
> the
> > one which controls new database formats. Beyond that, only the Save As
> > command controls conversion format, as mentioned in this article.
> > http://goo.gl/VJ63D
> >
> > Convert an Access 2000 or Access 2002 - 2003 database to the .accdb
> format
> > To convert an Access 2000 or Access 2002 - 2003 database (.mdb) to the
> > .accdb file format, you must first open the database by using Access 2007
> > or
> > Access 2010, and then save it in the .accdb file format.
> > 1.On the File tab, click Open.
> > 2.In the Open dialog box, select and open the Access 2000 or Access 2002
> -
> > 2003 database (.mdb) that you want to convert.
> >  Note    If the Database Enhancement dialog box appears, the database is
> > using a file format that is earlier than Access 2000. To continue, see
> the
> > section Convert an Access 97 database to the .accdb format.
> > 3.On the File tab, click Save & Publish, and then, under Database File
> > Types
> > click Access Database (*.accdb).
> > 4.Click Save As.
> > If any database objects are open when you click Save As, Access prompts
> you
> > to close them prior to creating the copy. Click Yes to make Access close
> > the
> > objects, or click No to cancel the entire process. If needed, Access will
> > also prompt you to save any changes.
> > 5.In the Save As dialog box, type a file name in the File name box, and
> > then
> > click Save.
> > Access creates the copy of the database, and then opens the copy. Access
> > automatically closes the original database.
> >
> > From: William Benson [mailto:vbacreations at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 1:19 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dropbox/MS Access problem.
> >
> > If you open an mdb and work on it in access 2007/2010 appli cation, it
> > should leave it as an mdb unless you convert it. The setting you
> mentioned
> > is supposed to deal with new databases, not magically convert and upgrade
> > existing databases. That wouls create chaos in multiuser environments.
> > That just seems wrong. It has to be how it is being published, not just
> > worked in... ???
> > On May 28, 2013 7:52 AM, "jack drawbridge" <jackandpat.d at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Doug,
> >
> > Do you happen to have the "save files as accdb" turned on? I just loaded
> > Acc2010 recently and each file I looked at got saved with accdb. I then
> set
> > the "save files as 2003 or similar and I then had mdb files.
> > I'm wondering if your default/current setting is 2007/2010, then you
> might
> > get accdb automatically.  ie nothing to do with dropbox???
> > jack
> >
> > On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Doug Steele <dbdoug at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I got a baffled call from a client this morning, wanting to know why I
> > had
> > > changed their back end from an .mdb file to an .accdb file.
> > >
> > > I said I had downloaded the accdb file from their Dropbox account to
> work
> > > on it.  The client said they didn't have an accdb file on Dropbox.
> > >
> > > Assuming that I had had (yet another) senior moment, I logged in and
> sure
> > > enough, the copy of the back end was definitely an mdb.
> > >
> > > Then, before my very eyes, as soon as I clicked on the mdb file to
> > download
> > > it, Dropbox changed the extension to 'accdb' on my computer (which only
> > has
> > > Office 2010 installed).  Arghhh!
> > >
> > > I checked, and Dropbox doesn't do any conversion - it's just an mdb
> with
> > > the wrong extension.  So be warned!
> > >
> > > Doug
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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> > --
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Thu May 30 10:04:21 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 11:04:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dropbox/MS Access problem.
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met-yGN6g+dwfLxz6nnyMhkCmDoi2ap5hbc8yiPVUf3WDQw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFa8NkjeqauukfAdTkwjLo=w5wM_CWSjb+nN7_z1qgy5=DaaZg@mail.gmail.com>	<CAKvidAtk2N3vHMdrP_niCcDb-32064fv6m-650FzQofxPvP+HQ@mail.gmail.com>	<CAGuQ9V7bBnwQAv18FJph9bc9TRyGHd13-KfnuvbGK8taRp_awg@mail.gmail.com>	<024101ce5cf9$0c4d2ec0$24e78c40$@gmail.com>	<CAKvidAu1E4RO9g28-WytYKSLkoxzemME0gKA1gfOqUGQedj1AQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met-yGN6g+dwfLxz6nnyMhkCmDoi2ap5hbc8yiPVUf3WDQw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <02b901ce5d46$f807d5c0$e8178140$@gmail.com>

On my installation, I have an option that says "Default format for blank
database"

I have never seen that option force existing mdb's into accdb format.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 10:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dropbox/MS Access problem.

It's in Access Options under the General tab under creating databases.

Charlotte




From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Thu May 30 10:08:13 2013
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 11:08:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dropbox/MS Access problem.
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	<CAKvidAtk2N3vHMdrP_niCcDb-32064fv6m-650FzQofxPvP+HQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGuQ9V7bBnwQAv18FJph9bc9TRyGHd13-KfnuvbGK8taRp_awg@mail.gmail.com>
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Charlotte,
Yes, that one is for a new blank database-- default format for blank
database. But I was opening mdb and it was being saved as accdb. I did  not
know if I had set up some flag to do so; I didn't do anything proactively
to do this  and this is not the expected default behavior. I can see mdb
--> accdb if you open an mdb and specifically ask for it to be
converted/saved as accdb.

jack

On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com
> wrote:

> It's in Access Options under the General tab under creating databases.
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 7:27 AM, jack drawbridge <jackandpat.d at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > I don't recall specifically at the moment. I was having issues with new
> UI
> > with 2010, and was happy and used to 2003. Each time I tried something,
> if
> > i went to the other versio, Access was reloading the software, and I was
> > getting frustrated -- have to wait seems 3-5 minutes to start the program
> > each time. Whatever, I was doing, I was getting accdb files.
> > When I look at the options now, I see it says format for blank database
> on
> > the Options. So I'm not sure what I did. I don't open 2003 anymore so
> maybe
> > I have corrected my own manual processes/procedures unknowingly.
> >
> > Sorry for being so vague, but my initial response was really trying to
> say
> > -- perhaps you have some flag set to convert to accdb (that's what I
> > thought my issue was). But doesn't appear to be any such flag.
> >
> > jack
> >
> >
> > On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:46 AM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) <
> > vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Jack, where is toggle you mention? I cannot find any setting other than
> > the
> > > one which controls new database formats. Beyond that, only the Save As
> > > command controls conversion format, as mentioned in this article.
> > > http://goo.gl/VJ63D
> > >
> > > Convert an Access 2000 or Access 2002 - 2003 database to the .accdb
> > format
> > > To convert an Access 2000 or Access 2002 - 2003 database (.mdb) to the
> > > .accdb file format, you must first open the database by using Access
> 2007
> > > or
> > > Access 2010, and then save it in the .accdb file format.
> > > 1.On the File tab, click Open.
> > > 2.In the Open dialog box, select and open the Access 2000 or Access
> 2002
> > -
> > > 2003 database (.mdb) that you want to convert.
> > >  Note    If the Database Enhancement dialog box appears, the database
> is
> > > using a file format that is earlier than Access 2000. To continue, see
> > the
> > > section Convert an Access 97 database to the .accdb format.
> > > 3.On the File tab, click Save & Publish, and then, under Database File
> > > Types
> > > click Access Database (*.accdb).
> > > 4.Click Save As.
> > > If any database objects are open when you click Save As, Access prompts
> > you
> > > to close them prior to creating the copy. Click Yes to make Access
> close
> > > the
> > > objects, or click No to cancel the entire process. If needed, Access
> will
> > > also prompt you to save any changes.
> > > 5.In the Save As dialog box, type a file name in the File name box, and
> > > then
> > > click Save.
> > > Access creates the copy of the database, and then opens the copy.
> Access
> > > automatically closes the original database.
> > >
> > > From: William Benson [mailto:vbacreations at gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 1:19 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dropbox/MS Access problem.
> > >
> > > If you open an mdb and work on it in access 2007/2010 appli cation, it
> > > should leave it as an mdb unless you convert it. The setting you
> > mentioned
> > > is supposed to deal with new databases, not magically convert and
> upgrade
> > > existing databases. That wouls create chaos in multiuser environments.
> > > That just seems wrong. It has to be how it is being published, not just
> > > worked in... ???
> > > On May 28, 2013 7:52 AM, "jack drawbridge" <jackandpat.d at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Doug,
> > >
> > > Do you happen to have the "save files as accdb" turned on? I just
> loaded
> > > Acc2010 recently and each file I looked at got saved with accdb. I then
> > set
> > > the "save files as 2003 or similar and I then had mdb files.
> > > I'm wondering if your default/current setting is 2007/2010, then you
> > might
> > > get accdb automatically.  ie nothing to do with dropbox???
> > > jack
> > >
> > > On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Doug Steele <dbdoug at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I got a baffled call from a client this morning, wanting to know why
> I
> > > had
> > > > changed their back end from an .mdb file to an .accdb file.
> > > >
> > > > I said I had downloaded the accdb file from their Dropbox account to
> > work
> > > > on it.  The client said they didn't have an accdb file on Dropbox.
> > > >
> > > > Assuming that I had had (yet another) senior moment, I logged in and
> > sure
> > > > enough, the copy of the back end was definitely an mdb.
> > > >
> > > > Then, before my very eyes, as soon as I clicked on the mdb file to
> > > download
> > > > it, Dropbox changed the extension to 'accdb' on my computer (which
> only
> > > has
> > > > Office 2010 installed).  Arghhh!
> > > >
> > > > I checked, and Dropbox doesn't do any conversion - it's just an mdb
> > with
> > > > the wrong extension.  So be warned!
> > > >
> > > > Doug
> > > > --
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> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > --
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> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > --
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> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> > >
> > --
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Thu May 30 10:13:58 2013
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 08:13:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dropbox/MS Access problem.
In-Reply-To: <02b901ce5d46$f807d5c0$e8178140$@gmail.com>
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There is no setting for that that I know of.  It wouldn't make sense at
all, and anyway, in an earlier post it was stated that the databases
weren't really converted, just the extension changed IIRC.  One question
that I don't recall being asked is what versions were the mdbs in?  I
wonder if that could have made a difference?

Charlotte

On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 8:04 AM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) <
vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote:

> On my installation, I have an option that says "Default format for blank
> database"
>
> I have never seen that option force existing mdb's into accdb format.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 10:55 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dropbox/MS Access problem.
>
> It's in Access Options under the General tab under creating databases.
>
> Charlotte
>
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Thu May 30 10:13:41 2013
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 11:13:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dropbox/MS Access problem.
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I should clarify this
*I didn't do anything proactively to do this  (  as far as I know or can
recall )

*But at the time the 2010 UI was all new and confusing to me; still
somewhat confusing but I don't do any real development .
*
*jack*
*
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 11:08 AM, jack drawbridge <jackandpat.d at gmail.com>wrote:

> Charlotte,
> Yes, that one is for a new blank database-- default format for blank
> database. But I was opening mdb and it was being saved as accdb. I did
> not know if I had set up some flag to do so; I didn't do anything
> proactively to do this  and this is not the expected default behavior. I
> can see mdb --> accdb if you open an mdb and specifically ask for it to be
> converted/saved as accdb.
>
> jack
>
>
> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Charlotte Foust <
> charlotte.foust at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It's in Access Options under the General tab under creating databases.
>>
>> Charlotte
>>
>> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 7:27 AM, jack drawbridge <jackandpat.d at gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > I don't recall specifically at the moment. I was having issues with new
>> UI
>> > with 2010, and was happy and used to 2003. Each time I tried something,
>> if
>> > i went to the other versio, Access was reloading the software, and I was
>> > getting frustrated -- have to wait seems 3-5 minutes to start the
>> program
>> > each time. Whatever, I was doing, I was getting accdb files.
>> > When I look at the options now, I see it says format for blank database
>> on
>> > the Options. So I'm not sure what I did. I don't open 2003 anymore so
>> maybe
>> > I have corrected my own manual processes/procedures unknowingly.
>> >
>> > Sorry for being so vague, but my initial response was really trying to
>> say
>> > -- perhaps you have some flag set to convert to accdb (that's what I
>> > thought my issue was). But doesn't appear to be any such flag.
>> >
>> > jack
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:46 AM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) <
>> > vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Jack, where is toggle you mention? I cannot find any setting other
>> than
>> > the
>> > > one which controls new database formats. Beyond that, only the Save As
>> > > command controls conversion format, as mentioned in this article.
>> > > http://goo.gl/VJ63D
>> > >
>> > > Convert an Access 2000 or Access 2002 - 2003 database to the .accdb
>> > format
>> > > To convert an Access 2000 or Access 2002 - 2003 database (.mdb) to the
>> > > .accdb file format, you must first open the database by using Access
>> 2007
>> > > or
>> > > Access 2010, and then save it in the .accdb file format.
>> > > 1.On the File tab, click Open.
>> > > 2.In the Open dialog box, select and open the Access 2000 or Access
>> 2002
>> > -
>> > > 2003 database (.mdb) that you want to convert.
>> > >  Note    If the Database Enhancement dialog box appears, the database
>> is
>> > > using a file format that is earlier than Access 2000. To continue, see
>> > the
>> > > section Convert an Access 97 database to the .accdb format.
>> > > 3.On the File tab, click Save & Publish, and then, under Database File
>> > > Types
>> > > click Access Database (*.accdb).
>> > > 4.Click Save As.
>> > > If any database objects are open when you click Save As, Access
>> prompts
>> > you
>> > > to close them prior to creating the copy. Click Yes to make Access
>> close
>> > > the
>> > > objects, or click No to cancel the entire process. If needed, Access
>> will
>> > > also prompt you to save any changes.
>> > > 5.In the Save As dialog box, type a file name in the File name box,
>> and
>> > > then
>> > > click Save.
>> > > Access creates the copy of the database, and then opens the copy.
>> Access
>> > > automatically closes the original database.
>> > >
>> > > From: William Benson [mailto:vbacreations at gmail.com]
>> > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 1:19 AM
>> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dropbox/MS Access problem.
>> > >
>> > > If you open an mdb and work on it in access 2007/2010 appli cation, it
>> > > should leave it as an mdb unless you convert it. The setting you
>> > mentioned
>> > > is supposed to deal with new databases, not magically convert and
>> upgrade
>> > > existing databases. That wouls create chaos in multiuser environments.
>> > > That just seems wrong. It has to be how it is being published, not
>> just
>> > > worked in... ???
>> > > On May 28, 2013 7:52 AM, "jack drawbridge" <jackandpat.d at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > > Doug,
>> > >
>> > > Do you happen to have the "save files as accdb" turned on? I just
>> loaded
>> > > Acc2010 recently and each file I looked at got saved with accdb. I
>> then
>> > set
>> > > the "save files as 2003 or similar and I then had mdb files.
>> > > I'm wondering if your default/current setting is 2007/2010, then you
>> > might
>> > > get accdb automatically.  ie nothing to do with dropbox???
>> > > jack
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Doug Steele <dbdoug at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > I got a baffled call from a client this morning, wanting to know
>> why I
>> > > had
>> > > > changed their back end from an .mdb file to an .accdb file.
>> > > >
>> > > > I said I had downloaded the accdb file from their Dropbox account to
>> > work
>> > > > on it.  The client said they didn't have an accdb file on Dropbox.
>> > > >
>> > > > Assuming that I had had (yet another) senior moment, I logged in and
>> > sure
>> > > > enough, the copy of the back end was definitely an mdb.
>> > > >
>> > > > Then, before my very eyes, as soon as I clicked on the mdb file to
>> > > download
>> > > > it, Dropbox changed the extension to 'accdb' on my computer (which
>> only
>> > > has
>> > > > Office 2010 installed).  Arghhh!
>> > > >
>> > > > I checked, and Dropbox doesn't do any conversion - it's just an mdb
>> > with
>> > > > the wrong extension.  So be warned!
>> > > >
>> > > > Doug
>> > > > --
>> > > > AccessD mailing list
>> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> > > >
>> > > --
>> > > AccessD mailing list
>> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> > > --
>> > > AccessD mailing list
>> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> > >
>> > --
>> > AccessD mailing list
>> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> >
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>

From dbdoug at gmail.com  Thu May 30 10:24:20 2013
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 08:24:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dropbox/MS Access problem.
In-Reply-To: <02b901ce5d46$f807d5c0$e8178140$@gmail.com>
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The extension change doesn't happen with Word or Excel files.  I've now
tried this using two different Dropbox accounts.  I've submitted a Help
request to Dropbox; I'll report back if I get a reply.

Doug


On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 8:04 AM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) <
vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote:

> On my installation, I have an option that says "Default format for blank
> database"
>
> I have never seen that option force existing mdb's into accdb format.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 10:55 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dropbox/MS Access problem.
>
> It's in Access Options under the General tab under creating databases.
>
> Charlotte
>
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From dbdoug at gmail.com  Thu May 30 10:27:00 2013
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 08:27:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dropbox/MS Access problem.
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Darn, forgot to mention this: when the extension changed, I was NOT running
Access at the time, so I doubt that any options set in Access would have
any effect.

Doug


On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Doug Steele <dbdoug at gmail.com> wrote:

> The extension change doesn't happen with Word or Excel files.  I've now
> tried this using two different Dropbox accounts.  I've submitted a Help
> request to Dropbox; I'll report back if I get a reply.
>
> Doug
>
>
> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 8:04 AM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) <
> vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On my installation, I have an option that says "Default format for blank
>> database"
>>
>> I have never seen that option force existing mdb's into accdb format.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
>> Foust
>> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 10:55 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dropbox/MS Access problem.
>>
>> It's in Access Options under the General tab under creating databases.
>>
>> Charlotte
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>

From jwcolby at gmail.com  Thu May 30 13:42:42 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 14:42:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] What you don't think about
Message-ID: <51A79DA2.10803@gmail.com>

I grabbed some code off the internet to check if a file is locked. The code was (too) simple, and 
just tried to open the file read/write.  If it succeeded the file is not locked.  Sounds good right?

Well... if the file does not exist then it CREATES the file! Ooops.  I had to add a "wrapper" to do 
a DIR() to see if the file exists, and if not return a false (not locked since it doesn't exist) 
else try to open it.

The code I was building was some stuff to use FSO to zip a file and that is just flaky, but doesn't 
require external dlls.  The code creates the zip file (directory really) if it doesn't exist and 
then stuffs the file in it.  Except that my lock check was creating the file before this code ever 
got a chance to do so.

I scratched my head over that one for a good while.

And of course all of this was buried way down in other code that had to run first...

BTW, some of you may remember my timer class.  This zip code was using a call out to Windows to 
Sleep().  Unfortunately Sleep causes the user interface to go unresponsive during the Sleep.  So I 
added a function to my timer class mSleep(lngMSToSleep as long) and then used the timer stuff to 
watch the timer for that many milliseconds in a while loop, but calling DoEvents inside of that 
loop.  It looks like a sleep but the DoEvents allows Windows to process the event queue for the app 
so I can still move around in the app and do things while the code is "sleeping".

-- 
John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From df.waters at comcast.net  Thu May 30 14:18:25 2013
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 14:18:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] What you don't think about
In-Reply-To: <51A79DA2.10803@gmail.com>
References: <51A79DA2.10803@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005f01ce5d6a$75a0ebc0$60e2c340$@comcast.net>

Hi John,

This is code I use to zip a file - collected from pieces across the
internet.  
Also, the code below is used to set or clear the read only flag of a file.
To find out if a file is read-only or not, just read the file's attribute.

Maybe there's something here that would be useful.

Dan

'----------------------------------------
Private Sub ZipOneFile_TEST()

    Call
ZipOneFile("E:\Consulting\Clients\DON\PSISystemDEV\BackEnd\BackupFiles\PSIDO
NBE.mdb", "E:\Consulting\Clients\DON\PSISystemDEV\BackEnd\BackupFiles")

End Sub

Public Sub ZipOneFile(varSourceFileFullPath As Variant, stgTargetFolder As
String, Optional blnUseOriginalFileName As Boolean = False)

    '-- Note: The stgSourceFileFullPath must be a variant for the .CopyHere
method to work

    Dim objShell As Object
    Dim stgDate As String
    Dim stgFileNameZip As String
    Dim fso As Object

    DoEvents

    Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")

    '-- To ensure a unique filename append date and time to the name of the
current file.
    If blnUseOriginalFileName = False Then
        stgDate = Format(Now, "_yyyy-mm-dd") & Format(Now, "_hhmm")
    End If
    stgFileNameZip = fso.GetBaseName(varSourceFileFullPath) & stgDate &
".zip"

    '-- Create the empty Zip file.
    Call InitializeZipFile(stgTargetFolder & "\" & stgFileNameZip)

    '-- Copy the file to the compressed folder.
    Set objShell = CreateObject("Shell.Application")
    objShell.Namespace(stgTargetFolder & "\" & stgFileNameZip).CopyHere
varSourceFileFullPath, &H0&

    '-- Keep script waiting until Compressing is done
    On Error Resume Next
    Do Until objShell.Namespace(stgTargetFolder & "\" &
stgFileNameZip).Items.Count = 1
        Sleep 500
    Loop
    On Error GoTo 0

    Set objShell = Nothing

End Sub

Private Sub InitializeZipFile_TEST()

    '    Call InitializeZipFile("C:\PSISystemClient\spreadsheets\LOS
Turnback Data 10-19-2011 11316.xlsx")

End Sub

Private Sub InitializeZipFile(stgZipFile As String)

    '-- This code uses the Open statement to enable output to the file
(thereby creating the file), _
     and the Print statement to write the twenty-two byte signature to it.

    Dim intFile As Integer
    Dim fso As FileSystemObject

    Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")

    If fso.FileExists(stgZipFile) Then Exit Sub
    If fso.FolderExists(stgZipFile) Then Exit Sub

    If Len(Dir(stgZipFile)) > 0 Then Kill stgZipFile

    intFile = FreeFile

    Open stgZipFile For Output As #intFile

    Print #intFile, Chr$(80) & Chr$(75) & Chr$(5) & Chr$(6) & String(18, 0)

    Close #intFile

End Sub
'----------------------------------------

'----------------------------------------
Public Sub SetReadOnly(stgFullPath As String)

    '-- Purpose: Set a file to read only

    Dim fso As FileSystemObject
    Dim fProperties As Object

    Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")

    Set fProperties = fso.GetFile(stgFullPath)
    fProperties.Attributes = 1

    Set fProperties = Nothing
    Set fso = Nothing

End Sub

Public Sub ClearReadOnly(stgFullPath As String)

    '-- Purpose: Clear the read only flag on a file

    Dim fso As FileSystemObject
    Dim fProperties As Object

    Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")

    Set fProperties = fso.GetFile(stgFullPath)
    fProperties.Attributes = 0

    Set fProperties = Nothing
    Set fso = Nothing

End Sub
'----------------------------------------
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 1:43 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] What you don't think about

I grabbed some code off the internet to check if a file is locked. The code
was (too) simple, and just tried to open the file read/write.  If it
succeeded the file is not locked.  Sounds good right?

Well... if the file does not exist then it CREATES the file! Ooops.  I had
to add a "wrapper" to do a DIR() to see if the file exists, and if not
return a false (not locked since it doesn't exist) else try to open it.

The code I was building was some stuff to use FSO to zip a file and that is
just flaky, but doesn't require external dlls.  The code creates the zip
file (directory really) if it doesn't exist and then stuffs the file in it.
Except that my lock check was creating the file before this code ever got a
chance to do so.

I scratched my head over that one for a good while.

And of course all of this was buried way down in other code that had to run
first...

BTW, some of you may remember my timer class.  This zip code was using a
call out to Windows to Sleep().  Unfortunately Sleep causes the user
interface to go unresponsive during the Sleep.  So I added a function to my
timer class mSleep(lngMSToSleep as long) and then used the timer stuff to
watch the timer for that many milliseconds in a while loop, but calling
DoEvents inside of that loop.  It looks like a sleep but the DoEvents allows
Windows to process the event queue for the app so I can still move around in
the app and do things while the code is "sleeping".

--
John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu May 30 15:23:35 2013
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 16:23:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] 2.0 to web-enabled
Message-ID: <99AD3B6CEEB74BC9B8C90738372356AA@SusanHarkins>

A reader wants to know what it would take to convert a 2.0 database to a 
fully functioning web-enabled database. I want to tell him to start over --  
how about you guys?

Susan H. 


From davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com  Thu May 30 15:49:20 2013
From: davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com (David A Gibson)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 15:49:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 2.0 to web-enabled
In-Reply-To: <99AD3B6CEEB74BC9B8C90738372356AA@SusanHarkins>
References: <99AD3B6CEEB74BC9B8C90738372356AA@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <006301ce5d77$298422e0$7c8c68a0$@gmail.com>

Are you talking about MS Access ver 2.0?   I haven't worked with 2.0 since
the early '90s.  I haven't done any web-enabled DBS SO I don't think I could
give any good advice.  I don't have any fond memories of 2.0.

Dinosaur alert!

David Gibson

---Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 3:24 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] 2.0 to web-enabled

A reader wants to know what it would take to convert a 2.0 database to a
fully functioning web-enabled database. I want to tell him to start over --
how about you guys?

Susan H. 

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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Thu May 30 16:02:56 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 01:02:56 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?2=2E0_to_web-enabled?=
In-Reply-To: <99AD3B6CEEB74BC9B8C90738372356AA@SusanHarkins>
References: <99AD3B6CEEB74BC9B8C90738372356AA@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <1369947776.378326382@m.mail.ru>

Just an MS Access 2.0 database without forms, reports, macros and vba, or an MS Access 2.0 program database with forms, reports, macros and vba? 

-----------
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu May 30 17:24:34 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 08:24:34 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] 2.0 to web-enabled
In-Reply-To: <99AD3B6CEEB74BC9B8C90738372356AA@SusanHarkins>
References: <99AD3B6CEEB74BC9B8C90738372356AA@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <51A7D1A2.28904.472587EA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Database or Access Application?

If it's just a database,  it's simple (as long as you have an intermediate version of Access 
available to upgrade the v2 to 97 first)/

If it's an application - fugedabadit.   Start fresh.

On 30 May 2013 at 16:23, Susan Harkins wrote:

> A reader wants to know what it would take to convert a 2.0 database to a 
> fully functioning web-enabled database. I want to tell him to start over --  
> how about you guys?
> 
> Susan H. 
> 
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu May 30 19:42:21 2013
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 00:42:21 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] 2.0 to web-enabled
In-Reply-To: <51A7D1A2.28904.472587EA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <99AD3B6CEEB74BC9B8C90738372356AA@SusanHarkins>
	<51A7D1A2.28904.472587EA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B54BFC7648@SINPRD0410MB381.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Agreed,  If you are just upload the tables that should be too much of an issue -depending on which back end you end up using, the quality of the source data and the relationships between that data / tables. 

Application?  Agree with Stuart.  Far better off starting from scratch. Hell you would probably be anyway.  I haven't known anyone to use 2.0 for years (maybe decades?)

Cheers
Darryl 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Friday, 31 May 2013 8:25 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2.0 to web-enabled

Database or Access Application?

If it's just a database,  it's simple (as long as you have an intermediate version of Access available to upgrade the v2 to 97 first)/

If it's an application - fugedabadit.   Start fresh.

On 30 May 2013 at 16:23, Susan Harkins wrote:

> A reader wants to know what it would take to convert a 2.0 database to 
> a fully functioning web-enabled database. I want to tell him to start 
> over -- how about you guys?
> 
> Susan H. 
> 
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Thu May 30 20:58:19 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 21:58:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] set the DefaultPicture of an unbound image control to an
	attachment in a recordset field?
Message-ID: <034101ce5da2$53c3d070$fb4b7150$@gmail.com>

I am wanting to have the same Header fields and image appear on every form
in my database. The query which populates these items has SQL:


SQL = ""
SQL = SQL & " SELECT "
SQL = SQL & " First([Build Date]) AS AppBuildDate,"
SQL = SQL & " First(ApplicationImage.FileData) As AppImage"
SQL = SQL & " FROM 9997_DevelopmentVersion  as Tbl"
SQL = SQL & " WHERE "
SQL = SQL & " [Build Date]=(Select Max([Build Date]) from
9997_DevelopmentVersion);"




I have also tried substituting ApplicationImage for
ApplicationImage.FileData

So far I have been unable to set an image control's defaultpicture property
to a RECORDSET FIELD from a recordset created with that SQL statement.

Can someone help with the syntax to set the DefaultPicture of an unbound
image control to an attachment identified by a field in a recordset
described above?

I have been having to resort to saving the attachment to disk, and assigning
it to the defaultpicture property, then killing the file:

Const SOME_PATH = "c:\username\temp\x.ico"

Set d = CurrentDb

SQL = ""
SQL = SQL & " SELECT "
SQL = SQL & " First([Build Date]) AS AppBuildDate,"
SQL = SQL & " First(ApplicationImage) As AppImage"
SQL = SQL & " FROM 9997_DevelopmentVersion  as Tbl"
SQL = SQL & " WHERE "
SQL = SQL & " [Build Date]=(Select Max([Build Date]) from
9997_DevelopmentVersion);"

Set r = d.OpenRecordset(SQL)

Set rsPic = r.Fields("AppImage").Value
If Not rsPic.EOF Then
    On Error Resume Next
    Kill SOME_PATH
    On Error GoTo 0
    rsPic.Fields("FileData").SaveToFile SOME_PATH
End If

imgApplicationIcon.DefaultPicture = SOME_PATH

On Error Resume Next
Kill SOME_PATH
On Error GoTo 0


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Fri May 31 11:49:02 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 12:49:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] set the DefaultPicture of an unbound image control to
	an attachment in a recordset field?
Message-ID: <041e01ce5e1e$c30d9480$4928bd80$@gmail.com>

Wow, I thought I had lobbed this group an easy one... no takers yet?
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------

I am wanting to have the same Header fields and image appear on every form
in my database. The query which populates these items has SQL:


SQL = ""
SQL = SQL & " SELECT "
SQL = SQL & " First([Build Date]) AS AppBuildDate,"
SQL = SQL & " First(ApplicationImage.FileData) As AppImage"
SQL = SQL & " FROM 9997_DevelopmentVersion  as Tbl"
SQL = SQL & " WHERE "
SQL = SQL & " [Build Date]=(Select Max([Build Date]) from
9997_DevelopmentVersion);"


I have also tried substituting ApplicationImage for
ApplicationImage.FileData

So far I have been unable to set an image control's defaultpicture property
to a RECORDSET FIELD from a recordset created with that SQL statement. Can
someone help with the syntax to set the DefaultPicture of an unbound image
control to an attachment identified by a field in a recordset described
above?



From df.waters at comcast.net  Fri May 31 12:06:31 2013
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 12:06:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] set the DefaultPicture of an unbound image control
	to	an attachment in a recordset field?
In-Reply-To: <041e01ce5e1e$c30d9480$4928bd80$@gmail.com>
References: <041e01ce5e1e$c30d9480$4928bd80$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002801ce5e21$32ffa6f0$98fef4d0$@comcast.net>

Hi William,

Since you are putting an image into the header of every form, I'm going to
assume that this image is fairly small.  In that case, it might be worth it
to embed the image in the image control, rather than set it on the opening
of every form.

HTH,
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
(VBACreations.Com)
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 11:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] set the DefaultPicture of an unbound image control to
an attachment in a recordset field?

Wow, I thought I had lobbed this group an easy one... no takers yet?
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------

I am wanting to have the same Header fields and image appear on every form
in my database. The query which populates these items has SQL:


SQL = ""
SQL = SQL & " SELECT "
SQL = SQL & " First([Build Date]) AS AppBuildDate,"
SQL = SQL & " First(ApplicationImage.FileData) As AppImage"
SQL = SQL & " FROM 9997_DevelopmentVersion  as Tbl"
SQL = SQL & " WHERE "
SQL = SQL & " [Build Date]=(Select Max([Build Date]) from
9997_DevelopmentVersion);"


I have also tried substituting ApplicationImage for
ApplicationImage.FileData

So far I have been unable to set an image control's defaultpicture property
to a RECORDSET FIELD from a recordset created with that SQL statement. Can
someone help with the syntax to set the DefaultPicture of an unbound image
control to an attachment identified by a field in a recordset described
above?


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From davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com  Fri May 31 12:11:11 2013
From: davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com (David A Gibson)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 12:11:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] set the DefaultPicture of an unbound image control to
	an attachment in a recordset field?
In-Reply-To: <041e01ce5e1e$c30d9480$4928bd80$@gmail.com>
References: <041e01ce5e1e$c30d9480$4928bd80$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00d701ce5e21$d9de9da0$8d9bd8e0$@gmail.com>

Hope this helps.

Using Single Images Across Multiple Forms and Reports in Access 2010
Applications
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/gg490661(v=office.14).aspx

Image.PictureType Property (Access)
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/ff197027(v=office.14).aspx

David Gibson

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
(VBACreations.Com)
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 11:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] set the DefaultPicture of an unbound image control to
an attachment in a recordset field?

Wow, I thought I had lobbed this group an easy one... no takers yet?
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------

I am wanting to have the same Header fields and image appear on every form
in my database. The query which populates these items has SQL:


SQL = ""
SQL = SQL & " SELECT "
SQL = SQL & " First([Build Date]) AS AppBuildDate,"
SQL = SQL & " First(ApplicationImage.FileData) As AppImage"
SQL = SQL & " FROM 9997_DevelopmentVersion  as Tbl"
SQL = SQL & " WHERE "
SQL = SQL & " [Build Date]=(Select Max([Build Date]) from
9997_DevelopmentVersion);"


I have also tried substituting ApplicationImage for
ApplicationImage.FileData

So far I have been unable to set an image control's defaultpicture property
to a RECORDSET FIELD from a recordset created with that SQL statement. Can
someone help with the syntax to set the DefaultPicture of an unbound image
control to an attachment identified by a field in a recordset described
above?


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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri May 31 12:13:07 2013
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 10:13:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] set the DefaultPicture of an unbound image control to
 an attachment in a recordset field?
In-Reply-To: <034101ce5da2$53c3d070$fb4b7150$@gmail.com>
References: <034101ce5da2$53c3d070$fb4b7150$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met8S8ghZRWUAzSNyvBnwhw-uPGBpf+OanUgFU=vtbkLyxg@mail.gmail.com>

I'm a little confused as to why you would have to "look up" an image if
you're going to use it on every form.  Why not just build a subform with
that image embedded and put it on every form?  Sometimes using code is the
hard way.  I could see using the code to change the text perhaps, but not
the image.  Way too much effort.

Charlotte

On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 6:58 PM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) <
vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am wanting to have the same Header fields and image appear on every form
> in my database. The query which populates these items has SQL:
>
>
> SQL = ""
> SQL = SQL & " SELECT "
> SQL = SQL & " First([Build Date]) AS AppBuildDate,"
> SQL = SQL & " First(ApplicationImage.FileData) As AppImage"
> SQL = SQL & " FROM 9997_DevelopmentVersion  as Tbl"
> SQL = SQL & " WHERE "
> SQL = SQL & " [Build Date]=(Select Max([Build Date]) from
> 9997_DevelopmentVersion);"
>
>
>
>
> I have also tried substituting ApplicationImage for
> ApplicationImage.FileData
>
> So far I have been unable to set an image control's defaultpicture property
> to a RECORDSET FIELD from a recordset created with that SQL statement.
>
> Can someone help with the syntax to set the DefaultPicture of an unbound
> image control to an attachment identified by a field in a recordset
> described above?
>
> I have been having to resort to saving the attachment to disk, and
> assigning
> it to the defaultpicture property, then killing the file:
>
> Const SOME_PATH = "c:\username\temp\x.ico"
>
> Set d = CurrentDb
>
> SQL = ""
> SQL = SQL & " SELECT "
> SQL = SQL & " First([Build Date]) AS AppBuildDate,"
> SQL = SQL & " First(ApplicationImage) As AppImage"
> SQL = SQL & " FROM 9997_DevelopmentVersion  as Tbl"
> SQL = SQL & " WHERE "
> SQL = SQL & " [Build Date]=(Select Max([Build Date]) from
> 9997_DevelopmentVersion);"
>
> Set r = d.OpenRecordset(SQL)
>
> Set rsPic = r.Fields("AppImage").Value
> If Not rsPic.EOF Then
>     On Error Resume Next
>     Kill SOME_PATH
>     On Error GoTo 0
>     rsPic.Fields("FileData").SaveToFile SOME_PATH
> End If
>
> imgApplicationIcon.DefaultPicture = SOME_PATH
>
> On Error Resume Next
> Kill SOME_PATH
> On Error GoTo 0
>
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Fri May 31 12:34:04 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 13:34:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] set the DefaultPicture of an unbound image control to
 an attachment in a recordset field?
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met8S8ghZRWUAzSNyvBnwhw-uPGBpf+OanUgFU=vtbkLyxg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <034101ce5da2$53c3d070$fb4b7150$@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met8S8ghZRWUAzSNyvBnwhw-uPGBpf+OanUgFU=vtbkLyxg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V44g_JtSp0a+ooEBMpcRxLdutDGYi7C_-1mu8eH4QMsdA@mail.gmail.com>

I am just trying to work with images and learn how to read an image from an
attachment.

Thanks
On May 31, 2013 1:14 PM, "Charlotte Foust" <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I'm a little confused as to why you would have to "look up" an image if
> you're going to use it on every form.  Why not just build a subform with
> that image embedded and put it on every form?  Sometimes using code is the
> hard way.  I could see using the code to change the text perhaps, but not
> the image.  Way too much effort.
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 6:58 PM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) <
> vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I am wanting to have the same Header fields and image appear on every
> form
> > in my database. The query which populates these items has SQL:
> >
> >
> > SQL = ""
> > SQL = SQL & " SELECT "
> > SQL = SQL & " First([Build Date]) AS AppBuildDate,"
> > SQL = SQL & " First(ApplicationImage.FileData) As AppImage"
> > SQL = SQL & " FROM 9997_DevelopmentVersion  as Tbl"
> > SQL = SQL & " WHERE "
> > SQL = SQL & " [Build Date]=(Select Max([Build Date]) from
> > 9997_DevelopmentVersion);"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I have also tried substituting ApplicationImage for
> > ApplicationImage.FileData
> >
> > So far I have been unable to set an image control's defaultpicture
> property
> > to a RECORDSET FIELD from a recordset created with that SQL statement.
> >
> > Can someone help with the syntax to set the DefaultPicture of an unbound
> > image control to an attachment identified by a field in a recordset
> > described above?
> >
> > I have been having to resort to saving the attachment to disk, and
> > assigning
> > it to the defaultpicture property, then killing the file:
> >
> > Const SOME_PATH = "c:\username\temp\x.ico"
> >
> > Set d = CurrentDb
> >
> > SQL = ""
> > SQL = SQL & " SELECT "
> > SQL = SQL & " First([Build Date]) AS AppBuildDate,"
> > SQL = SQL & " First(ApplicationImage) As AppImage"
> > SQL = SQL & " FROM 9997_DevelopmentVersion  as Tbl"
> > SQL = SQL & " WHERE "
> > SQL = SQL & " [Build Date]=(Select Max([Build Date]) from
> > 9997_DevelopmentVersion);"
> >
> > Set r = d.OpenRecordset(SQL)
> >
> > Set rsPic = r.Fields("AppImage").Value
> > If Not rsPic.EOF Then
> >     On Error Resume Next
> >     Kill SOME_PATH
> >     On Error GoTo 0
> >     rsPic.Fields("FileData").SaveToFile SOME_PATH
> > End If
> >
> > imgApplicationIcon.DefaultPicture = SOME_PATH
> >
> > On Error Resume Next
> > Kill SOME_PATH
> > On Error GoTo 0
> >
> > --
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From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Fri May 31 13:02:21 2013
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 14:02:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] set the DefaultPicture of an unbound image control to
 an attachment in a recordset field?
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V44g_JtSp0a+ooEBMpcRxLdutDGYi7C_-1mu8eH4QMsdA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <034101ce5da2$53c3d070$fb4b7150$@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met8S8ghZRWUAzSNyvBnwhw-uPGBpf+OanUgFU=vtbkLyxg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGuQ9V44g_JtSp0a+ooEBMpcRxLdutDGYi7C_-1mu8eH4QMsdA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9801E7840718@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>

Don't have an answer, but I have to say that the principle is good, because in uses such as displaying a company logo it is important to remember that logos change, sometimes frequently. So being able to change the logo by altering one field contents in one table instead of in dozens or hundreds of separate forms and reports is a "Good Idea" (r).

On the other hand, what's so bad about having an image file stored in the file system, in a location know to the application, which is then used as in your workaround example to populate the image control?

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 1:34 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] set the DefaultPicture of an unbound image control to an attachment in a recordset field?

I am just trying to work with images and learn how to read an image from an attachment.

Thanks
On May 31, 2013 1:14 PM, "Charlotte Foust" <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I'm a little confused as to why you would have to "look up" an image 
> if you're going to use it on every form.  Why not just build a subform 
> with that image embedded and put it on every form?  Sometimes using 
> code is the hard way.  I could see using the code to change the text 
> perhaps, but not the image.  Way too much effort.
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 6:58 PM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) < 
> vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I am wanting to have the same Header fields and image appear on 
> > every
> form
> > in my database. The query which populates these items has SQL:
> >
<snip> 


From df.waters at comcast.net  Fri May 31 13:02:25 2013
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 13:02:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] set the DefaultPicture of an unbound image control to
	an attachment in a recordset field?
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V44g_JtSp0a+ooEBMpcRxLdutDGYi7C_-1mu8eH4QMsdA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <034101ce5da2$53c3d070$fb4b7150$@gmail.com>	<CAH+Met8S8ghZRWUAzSNyvBnwhw-uPGBpf+OanUgFU=vtbkLyxg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGuQ9V44g_JtSp0a+ooEBMpcRxLdutDGYi7C_-1mu8eH4QMsdA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002f01ce5e29$01cceb80$0566c280$@comcast.net>

Hi William,

When you say an attachment, do you mean a .bmp file where the full path to
that file is listed in a field in your table?

If so, that's just 
    
    imgControl.Picture = rst!FileFullPath

HTH,
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 12:34 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] set the DefaultPicture of an unbound image control to
an attachment in a recordset field?

I am just trying to work with images and learn how to read an image from an
attachment.

Thanks
On May 31, 2013 1:14 PM, "Charlotte Foust" <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I'm a little confused as to why you would have to "look up" an image 
> if you're going to use it on every form.  Why not just build a subform 
> with that image embedded and put it on every form?  Sometimes using 
> code is the hard way.  I could see using the code to change the text 
> perhaps, but not the image.  Way too much effort.
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 6:58 PM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) < 
> vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I am wanting to have the same Header fields and image appear on 
> > every
> form
> > in my database. The query which populates these items has SQL:
> >
> >
> > SQL = ""
> > SQL = SQL & " SELECT "
> > SQL = SQL & " First([Build Date]) AS AppBuildDate,"
> > SQL = SQL & " First(ApplicationImage.FileData) As AppImage"
> > SQL = SQL & " FROM 9997_DevelopmentVersion  as Tbl"
> > SQL = SQL & " WHERE "
> > SQL = SQL & " [Build Date]=(Select Max([Build Date]) from 
> > 9997_DevelopmentVersion);"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I have also tried substituting ApplicationImage for 
> > ApplicationImage.FileData
> >
> > So far I have been unable to set an image control's defaultpicture
> property
> > to a RECORDSET FIELD from a recordset created with that SQL statement.
> >
> > Can someone help with the syntax to set the DefaultPicture of an 
> > unbound image control to an attachment identified by a field in a 
> > recordset described above?
> >
> > I have been having to resort to saving the attachment to disk, and 
> > assigning it to the defaultpicture property, then killing the file:
> >
> > Const SOME_PATH = "c:\username\temp\x.ico"
> >
> > Set d = CurrentDb
> >
> > SQL = ""
> > SQL = SQL & " SELECT "
> > SQL = SQL & " First([Build Date]) AS AppBuildDate,"
> > SQL = SQL & " First(ApplicationImage) As AppImage"
> > SQL = SQL & " FROM 9997_DevelopmentVersion  as Tbl"
> > SQL = SQL & " WHERE "
> > SQL = SQL & " [Build Date]=(Select Max([Build Date]) from 
> > 9997_DevelopmentVersion);"
> >
> > Set r = d.OpenRecordset(SQL)
> >
> > Set rsPic = r.Fields("AppImage").Value If Not rsPic.EOF Then
> >     On Error Resume Next
> >     Kill SOME_PATH
> >     On Error GoTo 0
> >     rsPic.Fields("FileData").SaveToFile SOME_PATH End If
> >
> > imgApplicationIcon.DefaultPicture = SOME_PATH
> >
> > On Error Resume Next
> > Kill SOME_PATH
> > On Error GoTo 0
> >
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Fri May 31 13:16:54 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 14:16:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] set the DefaultPicture of an unbound image control
	to	an attachment in a recordset field?
In-Reply-To: <002f01ce5e29$01cceb80$0566c280$@comcast.net>
References: <034101ce5da2$53c3d070$fb4b7150$@gmail.com>	<CAH+Met8S8ghZRWUAzSNyvBnwhw-uPGBpf+OanUgFU=vtbkLyxg@mail.gmail.com>	<CAGuQ9V44g_JtSp0a+ooEBMpcRxLdutDGYi7C_-1mu8eH4QMsdA@mail.gmail.com>
	<002f01ce5e29$01cceb80$0566c280$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <042201ce5e2b$08910710$19b31530$@gmail.com>

No, Dan, it is an attachment. In fact an .ico file I built from clipart and
attached to the table where it is being held in an attachment field. The
code I presented that I am currently using sorta made that clear, or so I
had thought. Sorry if not.

    rsPic.Fields("FileData").SaveToFile SOME_PATH 
    imgApplicationIcon.DefaultPicture = SOME_PATH


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 2:02 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] set the DefaultPicture of an unbound image control to
an attachment in a recordset field?

Hi William,

When you say an attachment, do you mean a .bmp file where the full path to
that file is listed in a field in your table?

If so, that's just 
    
    imgControl.Picture = rst!FileFullPath

HTH,
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 12:34 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] set the DefaultPicture of an unbound image control to
an attachment in a recordset field?

I am just trying to work with images and learn how to read an image from an
attachment.

Thanks
On May 31, 2013 1:14 PM, "Charlotte Foust" <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I'm a little confused as to why you would have to "look up" an image 
> if you're going to use it on every form.  Why not just build a subform 
> with that image embedded and put it on every form?  Sometimes using 
> code is the hard way.  I could see using the code to change the text 
> perhaps, but not the image.  Way too much effort.
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 6:58 PM, William Benson (VBACreations.Com) < 
> vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I am wanting to have the same Header fields and image appear on 
> > every
> form
> > in my database. The query which populates these items has SQL:
> >
> >
> > SQL = ""
> > SQL = SQL & " SELECT "
> > SQL = SQL & " First([Build Date]) AS AppBuildDate,"
> > SQL = SQL & " First(ApplicationImage.FileData) As AppImage"
> > SQL = SQL & " FROM 9997_DevelopmentVersion  as Tbl"
> > SQL = SQL & " WHERE "
> > SQL = SQL & " [Build Date]=(Select Max([Build Date]) from 
> > 9997_DevelopmentVersion);"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I have also tried substituting ApplicationImage for 
> > ApplicationImage.FileData
> >
> > So far I have been unable to set an image control's defaultpicture
> property
> > to a RECORDSET FIELD from a recordset created with that SQL statement.
> >
> > Can someone help with the syntax to set the DefaultPicture of an 
> > unbound image control to an attachment identified by a field in a 
> > recordset described above?
> >
> > I have been having to resort to saving the attachment to disk, and 
> > assigning it to the defaultpicture property, then killing the file:
> >
> > Const SOME_PATH = "c:\username\temp\x.ico"
> >
> > Set d = CurrentDb
> >
> > SQL = ""
> > SQL = SQL & " SELECT "
> > SQL = SQL & " First([Build Date]) AS AppBuildDate,"
> > SQL = SQL & " First(ApplicationImage) As AppImage"
> > SQL = SQL & " FROM 9997_DevelopmentVersion  as Tbl"
> > SQL = SQL & " WHERE "
> > SQL = SQL & " [Build Date]=(Select Max([Build Date]) from 
> > 9997_DevelopmentVersion);"
> >
> > Set r = d.OpenRecordset(SQL)
> >
> > Set rsPic = r.Fields("AppImage").Value If Not rsPic.EOF Then
> >     On Error Resume Next
> >     Kill SOME_PATH
> >     On Error GoTo 0
> >     rsPic.Fields("FileData").SaveToFile SOME_PATH End If
> >
> > imgApplicationIcon.DefaultPicture = SOME_PATH
> >
> > On Error Resume Next
> > Kill SOME_PATH
> > On Error GoTo 0
> >
> > --
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Fri May 31 13:24:20 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 14:24:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] set the DefaultPicture of an unbound image control to
 an attachment in a recordset field?
In-Reply-To: <00d701ce5e21$d9de9da0$8d9bd8e0$@gmail.com>
References: <041e01ce5e1e$c30d9480$4928bd80$@gmail.com>
	<00d701ce5e21$d9de9da0$8d9bd8e0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V6qZmgm927g1fd7qNva+syTF66khgpHmc17q0xo=GAKDA@mail.gmail.com>

Reading this now, it sounds promising and will report on my level of
success.
On May 31, 2013 1:12 PM, "David A Gibson" <davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hope this helps.
>
> Using Single Images Across Multiple Forms and Reports in Access 2010
> Applications
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/gg490661(v=office.14).aspx
>
> Image.PictureType Property (Access)
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/ff197027(v=office.14).aspx
>
> David Gibson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
> (VBACreations.Com)
> Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 11:49 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] set the DefaultPicture of an unbound image control
> to
> an attachment in a recordset field?
>
> Wow, I thought I had lobbed this group an easy one... no takers yet?
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------------
>
> I am wanting to have the same Header fields and image appear on every form
> in my database. The query which populates these items has SQL:
>
>
> SQL = ""
> SQL = SQL & " SELECT "
> SQL = SQL & " First([Build Date]) AS AppBuildDate,"
> SQL = SQL & " First(ApplicationImage.FileData) As AppImage"
> SQL = SQL & " FROM 9997_DevelopmentVersion  as Tbl"
> SQL = SQL & " WHERE "
> SQL = SQL & " [Build Date]=(Select Max([Build Date]) from
> 9997_DevelopmentVersion);"
>
>
> I have also tried substituting ApplicationImage for
> ApplicationImage.FileData
>
> So far I have been unable to set an image control's defaultpicture property
> to a RECORDSET FIELD from a recordset created with that SQL statement. Can
> someone help with the syntax to set the DefaultPicture of an unbound image
> control to an attachment identified by a field in a recordset described
> above?
>
>
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From df.waters at comcast.net  Fri May 31 13:49:52 2013
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 13:49:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] set the DefaultPicture of an unbound image control to
	an attachment in a recordset field?
Message-ID: <003801ce5e2f$a2a836d0$e7f8a470$@comcast.net>

Ah Hah!  I've never used an attachment field.  Keeps the tables smaller.

An alternative might be to add your icon into the title bar of the forms.
This link provides some code (which I haven't tested).
http://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=123449

Thanks!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
(VBACreations.Com)
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 1:17 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] set the DefaultPicture of an unbound image control to
an attachment in a recordset field?

No, Dan, it is an attachment. In fact an .ico file I built from clipart and
attached to the table where it is being held in an attachment field. The
code I presented that I am currently using sorta made that clear, or so I
had thought. Sorry if not.

    rsPic.Fields("FileData").SaveToFile SOME_PATH 
    imgApplicationIcon.DefaultPicture = SOME_PATH


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 2:02 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] set the DefaultPicture of an unbound image control to
an attachment in a recordset field?

Hi William,

When you say an attachment, do you mean a .bmp file where the full path to
that file is listed in a field in your table?

If so, that's just 
    
    imgControl.Picture = rst!FileFullPath

HTH,
Dan



From vbacreations at gmail.com  Fri May 31 16:06:52 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 17:06:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] set the DefaultPicture of an unbound image control
	to	an attachment in a recordset field?
In-Reply-To: <003801ce5e2f$a2a836d0$e7f8a470$@comcast.net>
References: <003801ce5e2f$a2a836d0$e7f8a470$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <043201ce5e42$c6d45620$547d0260$@gmail.com>

Dan

I read that thread and even tried out one poster's IconTest.Zip. It purports
to affect the database window, I think that went out with v. 12.0.

After loading it, fixing some coding errors, I noticed that what it tries to
do with form titles is lost if the database is set up to show tabbed
documents.

Actually, I am not sure showing a database in tabbed documents view is such
a good idea anyway, although during development it can be convenient.

I am content having icons in my form headers, it presents the logos well as
Herbert suggested.

What HAUNTS me and I am sure will bite me some time in the immediate future
is that I am using up a VALUABLE piece of form real estate - namely, the
header - to present static information which generally might be better used
to show aggregates and form commands.

We shall see. Oh well, my technique will evolve over time, just playing for
now.

Still gotta dig into shared icons...


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 2:50 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] set the DefaultPicture of an unbound image control to
an attachment in a recordset field?

Ah Hah!  I've never used an attachment field.  Keeps the tables smaller.

An alternative might be to add your icon into the title bar of the forms.
This link provides some code (which I haven't tested).
http://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=123449

Thanks!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
(VBACreations.Com)
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 1:17 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] set the DefaultPicture of an unbound image control to
an attachment in a recordset field?

No, Dan, it is an attachment. In fact an .ico file I built from clipart and
attached to the table where it is being held in an attachment field. The
code I presented that I am currently using sorta made that clear, or so I
had thought. Sorry if not.

    rsPic.Fields("FileData").SaveToFile SOME_PATH 
    imgApplicationIcon.DefaultPicture = SOME_PATH


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 2:02 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] set the DefaultPicture of an unbound image control to
an attachment in a recordset field?

Hi William,

When you say an attachment, do you mean a .bmp file where the full path to
that file is listed in a field in your table?

If so, that's just 
    
    imgControl.Picture = rst!FileFullPath

HTH,
Dan


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