From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Oct  1 03:32:08 2013
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2013 04:32:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Form navigation
In-Reply-To: <005401cebdc4$b4d969b0$1e8c3d10$@cactus.dk>
References: <005401cebdc4$b4d969b0$1e8c3d10$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <011d01cebe80$b8272eb0$28758c10$@net>

You definitely want to go with the Ribbon, but you don't want to proceed
without Albert Kallal's fine Ribbon Class. It makes the task of customizing
and maintaining a complex set of ribbon controls very easy.
Otherwise, the callbacks will really become unmanageable after a large set
is required.



From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct  1 05:49:45 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 12:49:45 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Form navigation
Message-ID: <00b701cebe93$f158c640$d40a52c0$@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark

I'm listening. Is it what is found here:

http://kallal.ca/Ribbon/ribbon.htm

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Mark Simms
Sendt: 1. oktober 2013 10:32
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation

You definitely want to go with the Ribbon, but you don't want to proceed
without Albert Kallal's fine Ribbon Class. It makes the task of customizing
and maintaining a complex set of ribbon controls very easy.
Otherwise, the callbacks will really become unmanageable after a large set
is required. 



From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Oct  1 11:02:31 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 10:02:31 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Form navigation
In-Reply-To: <00b701cebe93$f158c640$d40a52c0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <832526796.18798345.1380643351154.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Gustav:

That is an excellent description. 

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 3:49:45 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation

Hi Mark

I'm listening. Is it what is found here:

http://kallal.ca/Ribbon/ribbon.htm

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Mark Simms
Sendt: 1. oktober 2013 10:32
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation

You definitely want to go with the Ribbon, but you don't want to proceed
without Albert Kallal's fine Ribbon Class. It makes the task of customizing
and maintaining a complex set of ribbon controls very easy.
Otherwise, the callbacks will really become unmanageable after a large set
is required. 


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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Tue Oct  1 12:20:03 2013
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 10:20:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Form navigation
In-Reply-To: <00ec01cebdec$b9b03ef0$2d10bcd0$@cactus.dk>
References: <00ec01cebdec$b9b03ef0$2d10bcd0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_rUpaEGe9PFw1f9Xm=6XaPm3NzVOSOgBF3f14aG9rkyw@mail.gmail.com>

Gustav,

I addressed that issue in an application by creating a hidden form that
tracked all navigation within the app.  That form was the startup form and
was not allowed to close until the application was exited.  I used form
classes to control general  behavior of the forms and to pass form names
into a tree class which the nav form could examine to get the current form
as well as the previous.  It didn't matter if you clicked on a subform on a
tab or you went to a different menu, the nav form kept track of the
breadcrumbs and a back button could get you back to where you had been.
 Each form registered itself when it opened or closed by raising an event
that the nav form sank.  It's harder to describe that to implement, and it
worked quite nicely.  It also handled popup forms from a button or
hyperlink, so you could always find you way home.  Does that sound like
anything you could use?

Charlotte


On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Dan
>
> Yes, the forms are grouped. So within a group it is very easy to navigate
> between the forms.
> However, if one group is active and you need to jump to a form in another
> group, you have to travel to the top and then down the other branch.
> If Arthur finds his treeview menu I'll study that, though one problem with
> treeviews is that all leafs appear equal. This is fine in many cases but
> probably not here, because some forms are much more important or frequently
> used than others.
>
> To further complicate matters I would prefer a system that is easy to
> modify, as the application is planned to evolve quite a bit.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Dan Waters
> Sendt: 30. september 2013 15:51
> Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation
>
> Hi Gustav,
>
> With 50 forms I'm going to guess that you could create some groups of forms
> that have related functionality.
>
> Perhaps a wide narrow form at the top of the screen could contain several
> comboboxes where each one contains the names of those forms?  Users could
> tab into the combobox they want, then just begin typing the name of their
> form, then hit enter.
>
> Or, perhaps just a list of form name labels from top to bottom in a tall
> and
> narrow form at the left side of the screen.  Users could just click the
> label to open the form they need.
>
> I do use a treeview in my app - and it's great because it shows many
> records
> which are constantly changing.  But it takes a lot of clicking to get to
> what to you want - and because the forms you use are rarely changed there
> are better ways to allow users to quickly get at their form.
>
> Good Luck!
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 5:06 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Form navigation
>
> Hi all
>
> I'm working with an A2010 application to be used by about 100 users from
> different business areas.
> The users are trained and will use the app extensively.
>
> It has about 50 forms and a dozen reports. Currently we are using what I
> believe is the native switchboard of Access (I didn't build it), but I find
> it clumsy, and it takes too much screen estate even though all users are
> equipped with 24" monitors or dual monitors. However, the biggest
> disadvantage is that once a menu branch is chosen, the other branches are
> hidden, so if you are working in different corners you have a lot of going
> up and down in the navigation form.
>
> Could anyone suggest a proven alternative? The treeview is gone, I believe,
> but how about the ribbon? The users are using some of the general options
> on
> the native band, so how would you combine those with custom options?
> Other ideas?
>
> /gustav
>
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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Tue Oct  1 21:47:15 2013
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 15:47:15 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Using Replace to convert a Field value
Message-ID: <004f01cebf19$b43f2d90$1cbd88b0$@dalyn.co.nz>

I have a field called SiteName.  When a new record is added I want to check
if the value in the SiteName field already exists in another record.

I use a DLookup to check for it.  The problem is that the value in SiteName
could contain an apostrophe.  This causes a problem when the DLookup is run.

I think I need to be able to remove any apostrophe's in the SiteName field
before the comparison.  I could create another query which does this and do
the DLookup with the query but I was wondering if I could do it direct with
the table.  I tried this (highlighted in red) but get "Syntax Error.
Missing Operator" error message.  

 

If Nz(DLookup("ClientSiteID", "tblClientSite", " Replace([SiteName], ''''',
'''') = '" & Replace(Nz(Me!txtSiteName, ""), "'", "") & "' AND ClientSiteID
<> " & Me!txtClientSiteID), 0) <> 0 Then

. Do something}

 

Any thoughts.

 

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand

 

 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Oct  1 22:03:16 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 21:03:16 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Remote job opportunity
In-Reply-To: <004f01cebf19$b43f2d90$1cbd88b0$@dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <1891403157.19510448.1380682996384.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi All:

Someone sent me the following and it is definitely targeted towards this group:

Congratulations! Within the last 24 hours, Employers posted projects that match your profile(s). 

To find and review these projects,
Sign in to your Freelancer account: https://www.guru.com/login.aspx
On the top navigation bar, click "Leads," and click "Project Matches."
Profile ID: 810564 - Networking & Telephone Systems
Title: Simple Access Front-End (ID: 986516) 
Description: Files to be stored on SQL server with simple front end built in Access. 

Subcategories: Server Administration 
Skills: sql server, server administration 
Budget - Hourly: 1-10 for 1-5 days 
Hourly Rate: $0 to $0 (Negotiated rate)

Hope someone finds this an interesting opportunity.

Jim

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Oct  1 22:14:47 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2013 13:14:47 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Using Replace to convert a Field value
In-Reply-To: <004f01cebf19$b43f2d90$1cbd88b0$@dalyn.co.nz>
References: <004f01cebf19$b43f2d90$1cbd88b0$@dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <524B8FA7.13341.1A05940D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

You shouldn't remove the apostrophe, you should "escape" it with a second one in the 
criteria.

Dim sQ as string : sQ = Chr$(39) ' Single quote character

strCriteria = "Sitename = '" & Replace(txtSiteName, sQ, sQ & sQ) & _
                   "' AND ClientSiteID <> " & Me!txtClientSiteID

If Nz(DLookup("ClientSiteID", "tblClientSite", strCriteria)) <> 0 Then
...


On 2 Oct 2013 at 15:47, David Emerson wrote:

> I have a field called SiteName.  When a new record is added I want to check
> if the value in the SiteName field already exists in another record.
> 
> I use a DLookup to check for it.  The problem is that the value in SiteName
> could contain an apostrophe.  This causes a problem when the DLookup is run.
> 
> I think I need to be able to remove any apostrophe's in the SiteName field
> before the comparison.  I could create another query which does this and do
> the DLookup with the query but I was wondering if I could do it direct with
> the table.  I tried this (highlighted in red) but get "Syntax Error.
> Missing Operator" error message.  
> 
>  
> 
> If Nz(DLookup("ClientSiteID", "tblClientSite", " Replace([SiteName], ''''',
> '''') = '" & Replace(Nz(Me!txtSiteName, ""), "'", "") & "' AND ClientSiteID
> <> " & Me!txtClientSiteID), 0) <> 0 Then
> 
> . Do something}
> 
>  
> 
> Any thoughts.
> 
>  
> 
> Regards
> 
> David Emerson
> Dalyn Software Ltd
> Wellington, New Zealand
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Oct  1 22:27:30 2013
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 03:27:30 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Using Replace to convert a Field value
In-Reply-To: <524B8FA7.13341.1A05940D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <004f01cebf19$b43f2d90$1cbd88b0$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<524B8FA7.13341.1A05940D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <200af79c52864d46b662c40cc5b0c6e6@SIXPR04MB048.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

That is a nice approach.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, 2 October 2013 1:15 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using Replace to convert a Field value

You shouldn't remove the apostrophe, you should "escape" it with a second one in the criteria.

Dim sQ as string : sQ = Chr$(39) ' Single quote character

strCriteria = "Sitename = '" & Replace(txtSiteName, sQ, sQ & sQ) & _
                   "' AND ClientSiteID <> " & Me!txtClientSiteID

If Nz(DLookup("ClientSiteID", "tblClientSite", strCriteria)) <> 0 Then ...


On 2 Oct 2013 at 15:47, David Emerson wrote:

> I have a field called SiteName.  When a new record is added I want to 
> check if the value in the SiteName field already exists in another record.
> 
> I use a DLookup to check for it.  The problem is that the value in 
> SiteName could contain an apostrophe.  This causes a problem when the DLookup is run.
> 
> I think I need to be able to remove any apostrophe's in the SiteName 
> field before the comparison.  I could create another query which does 
> this and do the DLookup with the query but I was wondering if I could 
> do it direct with the table.  I tried this (highlighted in red) but get "Syntax Error.
> Missing Operator" error message.  
> 
>  
> 
> If Nz(DLookup("ClientSiteID", "tblClientSite", " Replace([SiteName], 
> ''''',
> '''') = '" & Replace(Nz(Me!txtSiteName, ""), "'", "") & "' AND 
> ClientSiteID <> " & Me!txtClientSiteID), 0) <> 0 Then
> 
> . Do something}
> 
>  
> 
> Any thoughts.
> 
>  
> 
> Regards
> 
> David Emerson
> Dalyn Software Ltd
> Wellington, New Zealand
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Tue Oct  1 22:27:33 2013
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 16:27:33 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Using Replace to convert a Field value
In-Reply-To: <524B8FA7.13341.1A05940D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <004f01cebf19$b43f2d90$1cbd88b0$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<524B8FA7.13341.1A05940D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <005701cebf1f$5578e200$006aa600$@dalyn.co.nz>

Thanks for the response Stuart.  The problem is with the first Sitename.
The value in the fields from the table could have an apostrophe - it is how
I can get the field value to match the new record value for comparison.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, 2 October 2013 4:15 p.m.
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using Replace to convert a Field value

You shouldn't remove the apostrophe, you should "escape" it with a second
one in the criteria.

Dim sQ as string : sQ = Chr$(39) ' Single quote character

strCriteria = "Sitename = '" & Replace(txtSiteName, sQ, sQ & sQ) & _
                   "' AND ClientSiteID <> " & Me!txtClientSiteID

If Nz(DLookup("ClientSiteID", "tblClientSite", strCriteria)) <> 0 Then ...


On 2 Oct 2013 at 15:47, David Emerson wrote:

> I have a field called SiteName.  When a new record is added I want to 
> check if the value in the SiteName field already exists in another record.
> 
> I use a DLookup to check for it.  The problem is that the value in 
> SiteName could contain an apostrophe.  This causes a problem when the
DLookup is run.
> 
> I think I need to be able to remove any apostrophe's in the SiteName 
> field before the comparison.  I could create another query which does 
> this and do the DLookup with the query but I was wondering if I could 
> do it direct with the table.  I tried this (highlighted in red) but get
"Syntax Error.
> Missing Operator" error message.  
> 
>  
> 
> If Nz(DLookup("ClientSiteID", "tblClientSite", " Replace([SiteName], 
> ''''',
> '''') = '" & Replace(Nz(Me!txtSiteName, ""), "'", "") & "' AND 
> ClientSiteID <> " & Me!txtClientSiteID), 0) <> 0 Then
> 
> . Do something}
> 
>  
> 
> Any thoughts.
> 
>  
> 
> Regards
> 
> David Emerson
> Dalyn Software Ltd
> Wellington, New Zealand
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Tue Oct  1 22:50:54 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 23:50:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Remote job opportunity
In-Reply-To: <1891403157.19510448.1380682996384.JavaMail.root@cds002>
References: <004f01cebf19$b43f2d90$1cbd88b0$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<1891403157.19510448.1380682996384.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V68ceKr0JKqEF+7XiBf8umCS_xiD=oE335m31VZ-0891A@mail.gmail.com>

Hourly rate from $0 to $0 .... yep, about what I have been making lately.

.......... .......... .......... .......... ..........
Sent from my Android device
with automatic features such as:

     *   multiple letter transposition
     *   unagreed to word substitutions
     *   no bothersome spell checking
     *   reinsertion of leftover text
          after it's been deleted
.......... .......... .......... .......... ..........
On Oct 1, 2013 11:04 PM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi All:
>
> Someone sent me the following and it is definitely targeted towards this
> group:
>
> Congratulations! Within the last 24 hours, Employers posted projects that
> match your profile(s).
>
> To find and review these projects,
> Sign in to your Freelancer account: https://www.guru.com/login.aspx
> On the top navigation bar, click "Leads," and click "Project Matches."
> Profile ID: 810564 - Networking & Telephone Systems
> Title: Simple Access Front-End (ID: 986516)
> Description: Files to be stored on SQL server with simple front end built
> in Access.
>
> Subcategories: Server Administration
> Skills: sql server, server administration
> Budget - Hourly: 1-10 for 1-5 days
> Hourly Rate: $0 to $0 (Negotiated rate)
>
> Hope someone finds this an interesting opportunity.
>
> Jim
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Oct  1 23:09:12 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2013 14:09:12 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Using Replace to convert a Field value
In-Reply-To: <005701cebf1f$5578e200$006aa600$@dalyn.co.nz>
References: <004f01cebf19$b43f2d90$1cbd88b0$@dalyn.co.nz>,
	<524B8FA7.13341.1A05940D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<005701cebf1f$5578e200$006aa600$@dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <524B9C68.2581.1A37664A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

You mean that the table may have an apostrophe but there may be none in the textbox?  
That's slightly different - you do need  to use a Replace() function  inside the SQL in that 
case.

Either escape the double quotes in the Replace() function with a second set or build the 
string with another variable

strCriteria = "Replace([LName],""'"","""") = '" & _
                    Replace(txtSiteName, sQ, "") & _
                    "' AND ClientSiteID <> " & Me!txtClientSiteID

or

Dim sDQ as string: sDQ = chr$(34) 'Double quote

strCriteria = "Replace([LName]," & sDQ & sQ & sDQ & "," & sDQ & sDQ & ") = '" & _
                    Replace(txtSiteName, sQ, "") & _
                    "' AND ClientSiteID <> " & Me!txtClientSiteID

On 2 Oct 2013 at 16:27, David Emerson wrote:

> Thanks for the response Stuart.  The problem is with the first Sitename.
> The value in the fields from the table could have an apostrophe - it is how
> I can get the field value to match the new record value for comparison.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Wednesday, 2 October 2013 4:15 p.m.
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using Replace to convert a Field value
> 
> You shouldn't remove the apostrophe, you should "escape" it with a second
> one in the criteria.
> 
> Dim sQ as string : sQ = Chr$(39) ' Single quote character
> 
> strCriteria = "Sitename = '" & Replace(txtSiteName, sQ, sQ & sQ) & _
>                    "' AND ClientSiteID <> " & Me!txtClientSiteID
> 
> If Nz(DLookup("ClientSiteID", "tblClientSite", strCriteria)) <> 0 Then ...
> 
> 
> On 2 Oct 2013 at 15:47, David Emerson wrote:
> 
> > I have a field called SiteName.  When a new record is added I want to 
> > check if the value in the SiteName field already exists in another record.
> > 
> > I use a DLookup to check for it.  The problem is that the value in 
> > SiteName could contain an apostrophe.  This causes a problem when the
> DLookup is run.
> > 
> > I think I need to be able to remove any apostrophe's in the SiteName 
> > field before the comparison.  I could create another query which does 
> > this and do the DLookup with the query but I was wondering if I could 
> > do it direct with the table.  I tried this (highlighted in red) but get
> "Syntax Error.
> > Missing Operator" error message.  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > If Nz(DLookup("ClientSiteID", "tblClientSite", " Replace([SiteName], 
> > ''''',
> > '''') = '" & Replace(Nz(Me!txtSiteName, ""), "'", "") & "' AND 
> > ClientSiteID <> " & Me!txtClientSiteID), 0) <> 0 Then
> > 
> > . Do something}
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Any thoughts.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > David Emerson
> > Dalyn Software Ltd
> > Wellington, New Zealand
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct  2 00:03:15 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 23:03:15 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Remote job opportunity
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V68ceKr0JKqEF+7XiBf8umCS_xiD=oE335m31VZ-0891A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1853968425.19578094.1380690195967.JavaMail.root@cds002>

:-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "William Benson" <vbacreations at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 8:50:54 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Remote job opportunity

Hourly rate from $0 to $0 .... yep, about what I have been making lately.

.......... .......... .......... .......... ..........
Sent from my Android device
with automatic features such as:

     *   multiple letter transposition
     *   unagreed to word substitutions
     *   no bothersome spell checking
     *   reinsertion of leftover text
          after it's been deleted
.......... .......... .......... .......... ..........
On Oct 1, 2013 11:04 PM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi All:
>
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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Wed Oct  2 01:12:43 2013
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 19:12:43 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Using Replace to convert a Field value
In-Reply-To: <524B9C68.2581.1A37664A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <004f01cebf19$b43f2d90$1cbd88b0$@dalyn.co.nz>,
	<524B8FA7.13341.1A05940D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<005701cebf1f$5578e200$006aa600$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<524B9C68.2581.1A37664A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <005e01cebf36$6835ab50$38a101f0$@dalyn.co.nz>

Thanks Stuart - I was getting my ' and " mixed up (I thought that two
apostrophe's worked the same as two quote marks - maybe that is SQL Server?)

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, 2 October 2013 5:09 p.m.
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using Replace to convert a Field value

You mean that the table may have an apostrophe but there may be none in the
textbox?  
That's slightly different - you do need  to use a Replace() function  inside
the SQL in that case.

Either escape the double quotes in the Replace() function with a second set
or build the string with another variable

strCriteria = "Replace([LName],""'"","""") = '" & _
                    Replace(txtSiteName, sQ, "") & _
                    "' AND ClientSiteID <> " & Me!txtClientSiteID

or

Dim sDQ as string: sDQ = chr$(34) 'Double quote

strCriteria = "Replace([LName]," & sDQ & sQ & sDQ & "," & sDQ & sDQ & ") =
'" & _
                    Replace(txtSiteName, sQ, "") & _
                    "' AND ClientSiteID <> " & Me!txtClientSiteID

On 2 Oct 2013 at 16:27, David Emerson wrote:

> Thanks for the response Stuart.  The problem is with the first Sitename.
> The value in the fields from the table could have an apostrophe - it 
> is how I can get the field value to match the new record value for
comparison.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart 
> McLachlan
> Sent: Wednesday, 2 October 2013 4:15 p.m.
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using Replace to convert a Field value
> 
> You shouldn't remove the apostrophe, you should "escape" it with a 
> second one in the criteria.
> 
> Dim sQ as string : sQ = Chr$(39) ' Single quote character
> 
> strCriteria = "Sitename = '" & Replace(txtSiteName, sQ, sQ & sQ) & _
>                    "' AND ClientSiteID <> " & Me!txtClientSiteID
> 
> If Nz(DLookup("ClientSiteID", "tblClientSite", strCriteria)) <> 0 Then ...
> 
> 
> On 2 Oct 2013 at 15:47, David Emerson wrote:
> 
> > I have a field called SiteName.  When a new record is added I want 
> > to check if the value in the SiteName field already exists in another
record.
> > 
> > I use a DLookup to check for it.  The problem is that the value in 
> > SiteName could contain an apostrophe.  This causes a problem when 
> > the
> DLookup is run.
> > 
> > I think I need to be able to remove any apostrophe's in the SiteName 
> > field before the comparison.  I could create another query which 
> > does this and do the DLookup with the query but I was wondering if I 
> > could do it direct with the table.  I tried this (highlighted in 
> > red) but get
> "Syntax Error.
> > Missing Operator" error message.  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > If Nz(DLookup("ClientSiteID", "tblClientSite", " Replace([SiteName], 
> > ''''',
> > '''') = '" & Replace(Nz(Me!txtSiteName, ""), "'", "") & "' AND 
> > ClientSiteID <> " & Me!txtClientSiteID), 0) <> 0 Then
> > 
> > . Do something}
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Any thoughts.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > David Emerson
> > Dalyn Software Ltd
> > Wellington, New Zealand
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct  2 02:09:29 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 09:09:29 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Form navigation
Message-ID: <000901cebf3e$569b77f0$03d267d0$@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

Yes, certainly, that sounds very close to what I need. Right now we use the
navigation form for some of these tasks - a form's button changes colour
when the form is open, things like that - but it has evolved slowly so a
firm structure is missing. A backbutton seems like a very good idea. 
It should be noted, that we don't use the default tab-view for forms but
moveable and resizable forms.

Thanks for the input.
/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Charlotte Foust
Sendt: 1. oktober 2013 19:20
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation

Gustav,

I addressed that issue in an application by creating a hidden form that
tracked all navigation within the app.  That form was the startup form and
was not allowed to close until the application was exited.  I used form
classes to control general  behavior of the forms and to pass form names
into a tree class which the nav form could examine to get the current form
as well as the previous.  It didn't matter if you clicked on a subform on a
tab or you went to a different menu, the nav form kept track of the
breadcrumbs and a back button could get you back to where you had been.
 Each form registered itself when it opened or closed by raising an event
that the nav form sank.  It's harder to describe that to implement, and it
worked quite nicely.  It also handled popup forms from a button or
hyperlink, so you could always find you way home.  Does that sound like
anything you could use?

Charlotte


On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Dan
>
> Yes, the forms are grouped. So within a group it is very easy to 
> navigate between the forms.
> However, if one group is active and you need to jump to a form in 
> another group, you have to travel to the top and then down the other
branch.
> If Arthur finds his treeview menu I'll study that, though one problem 
> with treeviews is that all leafs appear equal. This is fine in many 
> cases but probably not here, because some forms are much more 
> important or frequently used than others.
>
> To further complicate matters I would prefer a system that is easy to 
> modify, as the application is planned to evolve quite a bit.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Dan Waters
> Sendt: 30. september 2013 15:51
> Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation
>
> Hi Gustav,
>
> With 50 forms I'm going to guess that you could create some groups of 
> forms that have related functionality.
>
> Perhaps a wide narrow form at the top of the screen could contain 
> several comboboxes where each one contains the names of those forms?  
> Users could tab into the combobox they want, then just begin typing 
> the name of their form, then hit enter.
>
> Or, perhaps just a list of form name labels from top to bottom in a 
> tall and narrow form at the left side of the screen.  Users could just 
> click the label to open the form they need.
>
> I do use a treeview in my app - and it's great because it shows many 
> records which are constantly changing.  But it takes a lot of clicking 
> to get to what to you want - and because the forms you use are rarely 
> changed there are better ways to allow users to quickly get at their 
> form.
>
> Good Luck!
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav 
> Brock
> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 5:06 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Form navigation
>
> Hi all
>
> I'm working with an A2010 application to be used by about 100 users 
> from different business areas.
> The users are trained and will use the app extensively.
>
> It has about 50 forms and a dozen reports. Currently we are using what 
> I believe is the native switchboard of Access (I didn't build it), but 
> I find it clumsy, and it takes too much screen estate even though all 
> users are equipped with 24" monitors or dual monitors. However, the 
> biggest disadvantage is that once a menu branch is chosen, the other 
> branches are hidden, so if you are working in different corners you 
> have a lot of going up and down in the navigation form.
>
> Could anyone suggest a proven alternative? The treeview is gone, I 
> believe, but how about the ribbon? The users are using some of the 
> general options on the native band, so how would you combine those 
> with custom options?
> Other ideas?
>
> /gustav 



From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Oct  2 10:57:17 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2013 11:57:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Form navigation
In-Reply-To: <000901cebf3e$569b77f0$03d267d0$@cactus.dk>
References: <000901cebf3e$569b77f0$03d267d0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <524C425D.4060705@gmail.com>

I just worked on an existing app where the developer used forms of buttons which did things.  So a 
button would open a switchboard form, where a button would open a form (or run a report) etc.  They 
would pass the name of the calling form in to the form just opening as an openarg.  Then they would 
use that to reach back and set the calling form visible property false.  As the form closed it would 
reach back and set the calling form's visible true again and voila, back where you started.

As you know I have a OpenArgs class which I placed in the header of each form, and initialize in 
OnOpen.  This allows me standard code in every form where the form automatically processes any 
openargs passed in.  Every calling form sets an openarg of "CallingForm=" & me.name & ";" as it 
opens any form. Doing this makes everything very well defined and you can pretty much cut and paste 
the open and close event code into any form which needs to perform these shenanigans.

something close to (this is air code):

Private cOpenArgs as clsOpenArgs

private sub form_Open(cancel as integer)
     set cOpenArgs = new clsOpenArgs
     cOpenArgs.Minit me.Openargs
     on error resume next 'In case no openarg passed in
     forms(cOpenargs("CallingForm").visible = False
end sub

private sub form_Close()
     on error resume next 'In case no openarg passed in
     forms(cOpenargs("CallingForm").visible = True
end sub

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when you do not believe in it

On 10/2/2013 3:09 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi Charlotte
>
> Yes, certainly, that sounds very close to what I need. Right now we use the
> navigation form for some of these tasks - a form's button changes colour
> when the form is open, things like that - but it has evolved slowly so a
> firm structure is missing. A backbutton seems like a very good idea.
> It should be noted, that we don't use the default tab-view for forms but
> moveable and resizable forms.
>
> Thanks for the input.
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Charlotte Foust
> Sendt: 1. oktober 2013 19:20
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation
>
> Gustav,
>
> I addressed that issue in an application by creating a hidden form that
> tracked all navigation within the app.  That form was the startup form and
> was not allowed to close until the application was exited.  I used form
> classes to control general  behavior of the forms and to pass form names
> into a tree class which the nav form could examine to get the current form
> as well as the previous.  It didn't matter if you clicked on a subform on a
> tab or you went to a different menu, the nav form kept track of the
> breadcrumbs and a back button could get you back to where you had been.
>   Each form registered itself when it opened or closed by raising an event
> that the nav form sank.  It's harder to describe that to implement, and it
> worked quite nicely.  It also handled popup forms from a button or
> hyperlink, so you could always find you way home.  Does that sound like
> anything you could use?
>
> Charlotte
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
>> Hi Dan
>>
>> Yes, the forms are grouped. So within a group it is very easy to
>> navigate between the forms.
>> However, if one group is active and you need to jump to a form in
>> another group, you have to travel to the top and then down the other
> branch.
>> If Arthur finds his treeview menu I'll study that, though one problem
>> with treeviews is that all leafs appear equal. This is fine in many
>> cases but probably not here, because some forms are much more
>> important or frequently used than others.
>>
>> To further complicate matters I would prefer a system that is easy to
>> modify, as the application is planned to evolve quite a bit.
>>
>> /gustav
>>
>> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Dan Waters
>> Sendt: 30. september 2013 15:51
>> Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation
>>
>> Hi Gustav,
>>
>> With 50 forms I'm going to guess that you could create some groups of
>> forms that have related functionality.
>>
>> Perhaps a wide narrow form at the top of the screen could contain
>> several comboboxes where each one contains the names of those forms?
>> Users could tab into the combobox they want, then just begin typing
>> the name of their form, then hit enter.
>>
>> Or, perhaps just a list of form name labels from top to bottom in a
>> tall and narrow form at the left side of the screen.  Users could just
>> click the label to open the form they need.
>>
>> I do use a treeview in my app - and it's great because it shows many
>> records which are constantly changing.  But it takes a lot of clicking
>> to get to what to you want - and because the forms you use are rarely
>> changed there are better ways to allow users to quickly get at their
>> form.
>>
>> Good Luck!
>> Dan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav
>> Brock
>> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 5:06 AM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: [AccessD] Form navigation
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I'm working with an A2010 application to be used by about 100 users
>> from different business areas.
>> The users are trained and will use the app extensively.
>>
>> It has about 50 forms and a dozen reports. Currently we are using what
>> I believe is the native switchboard of Access (I didn't build it), but
>> I find it clumsy, and it takes too much screen estate even though all
>> users are equipped with 24" monitors or dual monitors. However, the
>> biggest disadvantage is that once a menu branch is chosen, the other
>> branches are hidden, so if you are working in different corners you
>> have a lot of going up and down in the navigation form.
>>
>> Could anyone suggest a proven alternative? The treeview is gone, I
>> believe, but how about the ribbon? The users are using some of the
>> general options on the native band, so how would you combine those
>> with custom options?
>> Other ideas?
>>
>> /gustav
>


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Oct  2 11:23:46 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2013 12:23:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Iterator functionality
In-Reply-To: <000901cebf3e$569b77f0$03d267d0$@cactus.dk>
References: <000901cebf3e$569b77f0$03d267d0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <524C4892.7040709@gmail.com>

I learned something new the other day. You can place a hidden method in a class (export to file, 
make the change, import back in to the FE) which creates a single iterator for a single collection.

'

'*******************************************************************************

'Code for collection iterator

'Export to a text file and examine for special properties

'vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

'

Public Sub Add(ByVal cOpenArg As clsOpenArg, Optional ByVal key As Variant)

     If IsMissing(key) Then

         mcolOpenArg cTDFConn

     Else

         mcolOpenArg cTDFConn, key

     End If

End Sub

Public Function Count() As Long

     Count = mcolTDFConn.Count

End Function

Public Function Item(ByVal Index As Variant) As clsOpenArg

     Set Item = mcolTDFConn(Index)

End Function

Public Sub Remove(ByVal Index As Variant)

     mcolTDFConn.Remove Index

End Sub

Public Function NewEnum() As IUnknown

     Set NewEnum = mcolTDFConn.[_NewEnum]

End Function

'

'^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

'Code for collection iterator

'Export to a text file and examine for special properties

'*******************************************************************************

'


Suddenly you can do things like

dim cOpenArg as clsOpenArg

     for each cOpenArg in cOpenArgs
     next cOpenArg

It is the NewEnum function which allows the class to do this.

Obviously you have to modify this code to deal with whatever is in your collection.


John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it




From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Oct  2 11:37:23 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2013 12:37:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Iterator, take 2
Message-ID: <524C4BC3.4040201@gmail.com>

Boy did I hose that last one up.  Sorry about that.  This is what the iterator code would look like 
for my clsOpenArg.

'
'*******************************************************************************
'Code for collection iterator
'Export to a text file and examine for special properties
'vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
'
Public Sub Add(ByVal cOpenArg As clsOpenArg, Optional ByVal key As Variant)
     If IsMissing(key) Then
         mcolOpenArg.Add cTDFConn
     Else
         mcolOpenArg.Add cTDFConn, key
     End If
End Sub
Public Function Count() As Long
     Count = mcolOpenArg.Count
End Function
Public Function Item(ByVal Index As Variant) As clsOpenArg
     Set Item = mcolOpenArg(Index)
End Function
Public Sub Remove(ByVal Index As Variant)
     mcolOpenArg.Remove Index
End Sub
Public Function NewEnum() As IUnknown
     Set NewEnum = mcolOpenArg.[_NewEnum]
End Function
'
'^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
'Code for collection iterator
'Export to a text file and examine for special properties
'*******************************************************************************

-- 
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when you do not believe in it


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Wed Oct  2 11:47:50 2013
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 09:47:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Iterator, take 2
In-Reply-To: <524C4BC3.4040201@gmail.com>
References: <524C4BC3.4040201@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_NFdbkEFTGfgMqssUuPXpRuRXeetws9SfCD24fm2+FiA@mail.gmail.com>

So where did you find the IUnknown object type?

Charlotte


On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 9:37 AM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> Boy did I hose that last one up.  Sorry about that.  This is what the
> iterator code would look like for my clsOpenArg.
>
> '
> '***************************************************************
> ********************
> 'Code for collection iterator
> 'Export to a text file and examine for special properties
> '**vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv**vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv**
> vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
> '
> Public Sub Add(ByVal cOpenArg As clsOpenArg, Optional ByVal key As Variant)
>     If IsMissing(key) Then
>         mcolOpenArg.Add cTDFConn
>     Else
>         mcolOpenArg.Add cTDFConn, key
>     End If
> End Sub
> Public Function Count() As Long
>     Count = mcolOpenArg.Count
> End Function
> Public Function Item(ByVal Index As Variant) As clsOpenArg
>     Set Item = mcolOpenArg(Index)
> End Function
> Public Sub Remove(ByVal Index As Variant)
>     mcolOpenArg.Remove Index
> End Sub
> Public Function NewEnum() As IUnknown
>     Set NewEnum = mcolOpenArg.[_NewEnum]
> End Function
> '
> '^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^**^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^**
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 'Code for collection iterator
> 'Export to a text file and examine for special properties
> '***************************************************************
> ********************
>
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>
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> when you do not believe in it
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct  2 12:13:50 2013
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2013 19:13:50 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Iterator functionality
Message-ID: <s24c708f.096@cactus.dk>

Hi John

I've never heard of IUnknown in relation to VBA.
Thanks!

/gustav


>>> jwcolby at gmail.com 02-10-13 18:23 >>>
I learned something new the other day. You can place a hidden method in a class (export to file, make the change, import back in to the FE) which creates a single iterator for a single collection.

'

'*******************************************************************************

'Code for collection iterator

'Export to a text file and examine for special properties

'vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

'

Public Sub Add(ByVal cOpenArg As clsOpenArg, Optional ByVal key As Variant)

     If IsMissing(key) Then

         mcolOpenArg cTDFConn

     Else

         mcolOpenArg cTDFConn, key

     End If

End Sub

Public Function Count() As Long

     Count = mcolTDFConn.Count

End Function

Public Function Item(ByVal Index As Variant) As clsOpenArg

     Set Item = mcolTDFConn(Index)

End Function

Public Sub Remove(ByVal Index As Variant)

     mcolTDFConn.Remove Index

End Sub

Public Function NewEnum() As IUnknown

     Set NewEnum = mcolTDFConn.[_NewEnum]

End Function

'

'^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

'Code for collection iterator

'Export to a text file and examine for special properties

'*******************************************************************************

'


Suddenly you can do things like

dim cOpenArg as clsOpenArg

     for each cOpenArg in cOpenArgs
     next cOpenArg

It is the NewEnum function which allows the class to do this.

Obviously you have to modify this code to deal with whatever is in your collection.


John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Oct  2 12:18:06 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2013 13:18:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Iterator, take 3
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met_NFdbkEFTGfgMqssUuPXpRuRXeetws9SfCD24fm2+FiA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <524C4BC3.4040201@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met_NFdbkEFTGfgMqssUuPXpRuRXeetws9SfCD24fm2+FiA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <524C554E.80705@gmail.com>

Google is my friend!  ;)

http://p2p.wrox.com/excel-vba/25214-newenum-function.html
http://www.vb-helper.com/howto_sorted_collection.html

Seriously though apparently the collection object has this "spare" method just waiting for us to 
hook it.  The NewEnum is apparently just a delegate that is sitting there waiting.  We hook it and 
off we go.

I ran across it one day with a REALLY good explanation.  I lost the book mark.  Sigh.

In the end that is really all you need though.  It only works for a single collection of course but 
OOP tells us that a class is about one thing anyway.

As you can see, the other functions (add, remove etc) are just wrapping the same methods of the 
collection.

actually though, when you edit it you have to do the following: (notice the "attribute" line)

Public Function NewEnum() As IUnknown
  attribute enum.vb_usermemId = -4
  Set NewEnum = mcolOpenArg.[_NewEnum]
End Function

That attribute ends up there but hidden when you pull it back in.

I may actually get this right yet.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 10/2/2013 12:47 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> So where did you find the IUnknown object type?
>
> Charlotte
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 9:37 AM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Boy did I hose that last one up.  Sorry about that.  This is what the
>> iterator code would look like for my clsOpenArg.
>>
>> '
>> '***************************************************************
>> ********************
>> 'Code for collection iterator
>> 'Export to a text file and examine for special properties
>> '**vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv**vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv**
>> vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
>> '
>> Public Sub Add(ByVal cOpenArg As clsOpenArg, Optional ByVal key As Variant)
>>      If IsMissing(key) Then
>>          mcolOpenArg.Add cTDFConn
>>      Else
>>          mcolOpenArg.Add cTDFConn, key
>>      End If
>> End Sub
>> Public Function Count() As Long
>>      Count = mcolOpenArg.Count
>> End Function
>> Public Function Item(ByVal Index As Variant) As clsOpenArg
>>      Set Item = mcolOpenArg(Index)
>> End Function
>> Public Sub Remove(ByVal Index As Variant)
>>      mcolOpenArg.Remove Index
>> End Sub
>> Public Function NewEnum() As IUnknown
>>      Set NewEnum = mcolOpenArg.[_NewEnum]
>> End Function
>> '
>> '^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^**^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^**
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> 'Code for collection iterator
>> 'Export to a text file and examine for special properties
>> '***************************************************************
>> ********************
>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> --
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>>


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Oct  2 12:21:08 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2013 13:21:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Iterator functionality
In-Reply-To: <s24c708f.096@cactus.dk>
References: <s24c708f.096@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <524C5604.9000204@gmail.com>

'
'*******************************************************************************
'Code for collection iterator
'Export to a text file and examine for special properties
'vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
'
Public Sub Add(ByVal cOpenArgAs clsOpenArg, Optional ByVal key As Variant)
   If IsMissing(key) Then
         mcolOpenArg cTDFConn
     Else
         mcolOpenArg cTDFConn, key
     End If
End Sub

Public Function Count() As Long
     Count = colOpenArgs.Count
End Function

Public Function Item(ByVal Index As Variant) As clsOpenArg
     Set Item = colOpenArgs(Index)
End Function

Public Sub Remove(ByVal Index As Variant)
     colOpenArgs.Remove Index
End Sub

Public Function NewEnum() As IUnknown
Attribute NewEnum.VB_UserMemId = -4
     Set NewEnum = colOpenArgs.[_NewEnum]
End Function
'
'^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
'Code for collection iterator
'Export to a text file and examine for special properties
'*******************************************************************************
'

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 10/2/2013 1:13 PM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi John
>
> I've never heard of IUnknown in relation to VBA.
> Thanks!
>
> /gustav
>
>
>>>> jwcolby at gmail.com 02-10-13 18:23 >>>
> I learned something new the other day. You can place a hidden method in a class (export to file, make the change, import back in to the FE) which creates a single iterator for a single collection.
>
> '
>
> '*******************************************************************************
>
> 'Code for collection iterator
>
> 'Export to a text file and examine for special properties
>
> 'vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
>
> '
>
> Public Sub Add(ByVal cOpenArg As clsOpenArg, Optional ByVal key As Variant)
>
>       If IsMissing(key) Then
>
>           mcolOpenArg cTDFConn
>
>       Else
>
>           mcolOpenArg cTDFConn, key
>
>       End If
>
> End Sub
>
> Public Function Count() As Long
>
>       Count = mcolTDFConn.Count
>
> End Function
>
> Public Function Item(ByVal Index As Variant) As clsOpenArg
>
>       Set Item = mcolTDFConn(Index)
>
> End Function
>
> Public Sub Remove(ByVal Index As Variant)
>
>       mcolTDFConn.Remove Index
>
> End Sub
>
> Public Function NewEnum() As IUnknown
>
>       Set NewEnum = mcolTDFConn.[_NewEnum]
>
> End Function
>
> '
>
> '^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> 'Code for collection iterator
>
> 'Export to a text file and examine for special properties
>
> '*******************************************************************************
>
> '
>
>
> Suddenly you can do things like
>
> dim cOpenArg as clsOpenArg
>
>       for each cOpenArg in cOpenArgs
>       next cOpenArg
>
> It is the NewEnum function which allows the class to do this.
>
> Obviously you have to modify this code to deal with whatever is in your collection.
>
>
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Oct  2 12:25:17 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2013 13:25:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Iterator functionality
In-Reply-To: <s24c708f.096@cactus.dk>
References: <s24c708f.096@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <524C56FD.6020605@gmail.com>

It has been awhile since I screwed up an email thread this big.

;)

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 10/2/2013 1:13 PM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi John
>
> I've never heard of IUnknown in relation to VBA.
> Thanks!
>
> /gustav
>
>
>>>> jwcolby at gmail.com 02-10-13 18:23 >>>
> I learned something new the other day. You can place a hidden method in a class (export to file, make the change, import back in to the FE) which creates a single iterator for a single collection.
>
> '
>
> '*******************************************************************************
>
> 'Code for collection iterator
>
> 'Export to a text file and examine for special properties
>
> 'vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
>
> '
>
> Public Sub Add(ByVal cOpenArg As clsOpenArg, Optional ByVal key As Variant)
>
>       If IsMissing(key) Then
>
>           mcolOpenArg cTDFConn
>
>       Else
>
>           mcolOpenArg cTDFConn, key
>
>       End If
>
> End Sub
>
> Public Function Count() As Long
>
>       Count = mcolTDFConn.Count
>
> End Function
>
> Public Function Item(ByVal Index As Variant) As clsOpenArg
>
>       Set Item = mcolTDFConn(Index)
>
> End Function
>
> Public Sub Remove(ByVal Index As Variant)
>
>       mcolTDFConn.Remove Index
>
> End Sub
>
> Public Function NewEnum() As IUnknown
>
>       Set NewEnum = mcolTDFConn.[_NewEnum]
>
> End Function
>
> '
>
> '^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> 'Code for collection iterator
>
> 'Export to a text file and examine for special properties
>
> '*******************************************************************************
>
> '
>
>
> Suddenly you can do things like
>
> dim cOpenArg as clsOpenArg
>
>       for each cOpenArg in cOpenArgs
>       next cOpenArg
>
> It is the NewEnum function which allows the class to do this.
>
> Obviously you have to modify this code to deal with whatever is in your collection.
>
>
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Wed Oct  2 15:28:54 2013
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 13:28:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Form navigation
In-Reply-To: <000901cebf3e$569b77f0$03d267d0$@cactus.dk>
References: <000901cebf3e$569b77f0$03d267d0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met-otpGzp-iTJUB15N2TzBg34ByxUxtJWqN2czLtXD1LDQ@mail.gmail.com>

Right, I generally do the same thing, but I was referring to Tab Controls
on the forms, not tabbed navigation of objects. The system has to know not
only what subform was active, but which tab was selected displaying it
(hint, the same subform can be on parents on multiple tabs). I was won over
to a back button working in VB.Net.  If you're interested in seeing it,
email me and I'll knock out a set of stripped down classes as a demo.

Charlotte


On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 12:09 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Charlotte
>
> Yes, certainly, that sounds very close to what I need. Right now we use the
> navigation form for some of these tasks - a form's button changes colour
> when the form is open, things like that - but it has evolved slowly so a
> firm structure is missing. A backbutton seems like a very good idea.
> It should be noted, that we don't use the default tab-view for forms but
> moveable and resizable forms.
>
> Thanks for the input.
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Charlotte Foust
> Sendt: 1. oktober 2013 19:20
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation
>
> Gustav,
>
> I addressed that issue in an application by creating a hidden form that
> tracked all navigation within the app.  That form was the startup form and
> was not allowed to close until the application was exited.  I used form
> classes to control general  behavior of the forms and to pass form names
> into a tree class which the nav form could examine to get the current form
> as well as the previous.  It didn't matter if you clicked on a subform on a
> tab or you went to a different menu, the nav form kept track of the
> breadcrumbs and a back button could get you back to where you had been.
>  Each form registered itself when it opened or closed by raising an event
> that the nav form sank.  It's harder to describe that to implement, and it
> worked quite nicely.  It also handled popup forms from a button or
> hyperlink, so you could always find you way home.  Does that sound like
> anything you could use?
>
> Charlotte
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> > Hi Dan
> >
> > Yes, the forms are grouped. So within a group it is very easy to
> > navigate between the forms.
> > However, if one group is active and you need to jump to a form in
> > another group, you have to travel to the top and then down the other
> branch.
> > If Arthur finds his treeview menu I'll study that, though one problem
> > with treeviews is that all leafs appear equal. This is fine in many
> > cases but probably not here, because some forms are much more
> > important or frequently used than others.
> >
> > To further complicate matters I would prefer a system that is easy to
> > modify, as the application is planned to evolve quite a bit.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Dan Waters
> > Sendt: 30. september 2013 15:51
> > Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation
> >
> > Hi Gustav,
> >
> > With 50 forms I'm going to guess that you could create some groups of
> > forms that have related functionality.
> >
> > Perhaps a wide narrow form at the top of the screen could contain
> > several comboboxes where each one contains the names of those forms?
> > Users could tab into the combobox they want, then just begin typing
> > the name of their form, then hit enter.
> >
> > Or, perhaps just a list of form name labels from top to bottom in a
> > tall and narrow form at the left side of the screen.  Users could just
> > click the label to open the form they need.
> >
> > I do use a treeview in my app - and it's great because it shows many
> > records which are constantly changing.  But it takes a lot of clicking
> > to get to what to you want - and because the forms you use are rarely
> > changed there are better ways to allow users to quickly get at their
> > form.
> >
> > Good Luck!
> > Dan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav
> > Brock
> > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 5:06 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: [AccessD] Form navigation
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > I'm working with an A2010 application to be used by about 100 users
> > from different business areas.
> > The users are trained and will use the app extensively.
> >
> > It has about 50 forms and a dozen reports. Currently we are using what
> > I believe is the native switchboard of Access (I didn't build it), but
> > I find it clumsy, and it takes too much screen estate even though all
> > users are equipped with 24" monitors or dual monitors. However, the
> > biggest disadvantage is that once a menu branch is chosen, the other
> > branches are hidden, so if you are working in different corners you
> > have a lot of going up and down in the navigation form.
> >
> > Could anyone suggest a proven alternative? The treeview is gone, I
> > believe, but how about the ribbon? The users are using some of the
> > general options on the native band, so how would you combine those
> > with custom options?
> > Other ideas?
> >
> > /gustav
>
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Oct  4 07:23:12 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 14:23:12 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Form navigation
Message-ID: <001201cec0fc$7e8bb620$7ba32260$@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Does anyone know of a decent editor for these ribbons?

I tried to check out RibbonCreator:

   http://www.ribboncreator2010.de

but this piece of shareware (their own wording) won't run on my decent
machine - it fails with an 0x8002801D error:

System.IndexOutOfRangeException: Subscript out of range
   at Microsoft.Vbe.Interop.VBProjectsClass.Item(Object index)
   at Ribbon2010.basVBE.FindModul(Object strModulname, Object VBEProject)
   at Ribbon2010.Form1.btnSelDatabase_Click(Object sender, EventArgs e)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs e)

You would expect some level of support on this but no, this stubborn support
team asks you to first buy a license ... and only suggests to install the
tool in a VM without(!) Access. How far out is that?

But there must be other tools out there. Some, however, are for Excel, Word,
PP only, and some have not been developed further than 2007.
Or can the Office Tools for Visual Studio be used? 

Any suggestions?

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Mark Simms
Sendt: 1. oktober 2013 10:32
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation

You definitely want to go with the Ribbon, but you don't want to proceed
without Albert Kallal's fine Ribbon Class. It makes the task of customizing
and maintaining a complex set of ribbon controls very easy.
Otherwise, the callbacks will really become unmanageable after a large set
is required.



From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Oct  4 08:49:35 2013
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2013 09:49:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Form navigation
In-Reply-To: <001201cec0fc$7e8bb620$7ba32260$@cactus.dk>
References: <001201cec0fc$7e8bb620$7ba32260$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <F7482C5F2066495C9B7DD724525E5E3D@XPS>


 That's the only editor out there that I'm aware of.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 08:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation

Hi all

Does anyone know of a decent editor for these ribbons?

I tried to check out RibbonCreator:

   http://www.ribboncreator2010.de

but this piece of shareware (their own wording) won't run on my decent
machine - it fails with an 0x8002801D error:

System.IndexOutOfRangeException: Subscript out of range
   at Microsoft.Vbe.Interop.VBProjectsClass.Item(Object index)
   at Ribbon2010.basVBE.FindModul(Object strModulname, Object VBEProject)
   at Ribbon2010.Form1.btnSelDatabase_Click(Object sender, EventArgs e)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs e)

You would expect some level of support on this but no, this stubborn support
team asks you to first buy a license ... and only suggests to install the
tool in a VM without(!) Access. How far out is that?

But there must be other tools out there. Some, however, are for Excel, Word,
PP only, and some have not been developed further than 2007.
Or can the Office Tools for Visual Studio be used? 

Any suggestions?

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Mark Simms
Sendt: 1. oktober 2013 10:32
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation

You definitely want to go with the Ribbon, but you don't want to proceed
without Albert Kallal's fine Ribbon Class. It makes the task of customizing
and maintaining a complex set of ribbon controls very easy.
Otherwise, the callbacks will really become unmanageable after a large set
is required.


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From df.waters at comcast.net  Fri Oct  4 08:54:35 2013
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 08:54:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form navigation
In-Reply-To: <001201cec0fc$7e8bb620$7ba32260$@cactus.dk>
References: <001201cec0fc$7e8bb620$7ba32260$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <002b01cec109$43174cf0$c945e6d0$@comcast.net>

Hi Gustav,

I did a little searching and apparently you can do things with ribbons from
within Access.  These are two sites that look useful:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/office/aa905530.aspx

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd548010(v=office.12).aspx

Good Luck!
Dan


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 7:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation

Hi all

Does anyone know of a decent editor for these ribbons?

I tried to check out RibbonCreator:

   http://www.ribboncreator2010.de

but this piece of shareware (their own wording) won't run on my decent
machine - it fails with an 0x8002801D error:

System.IndexOutOfRangeException: Subscript out of range
   at Microsoft.Vbe.Interop.VBProjectsClass.Item(Object index)
   at Ribbon2010.basVBE.FindModul(Object strModulname, Object VBEProject)
   at Ribbon2010.Form1.btnSelDatabase_Click(Object sender, EventArgs e)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs e)

You would expect some level of support on this but no, this stubborn support
team asks you to first buy a license ... and only suggests to install the
tool in a VM without(!) Access. How far out is that?

But there must be other tools out there. Some, however, are for Excel, Word,
PP only, and some have not been developed further than 2007.
Or can the Office Tools for Visual Studio be used? 

Any suggestions?

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Mark Simms
Sendt: 1. oktober 2013 10:32
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation

You definitely want to go with the Ribbon, but you don't want to proceed
without Albert Kallal's fine Ribbon Class. It makes the task of customizing
and maintaining a complex set of ribbon controls very easy.
Otherwise, the callbacks will really become unmanageable after a large set
is required.


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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri Oct  4 09:02:58 2013
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 15:02:58 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Form navigation
In-Reply-To: <002b01cec109$43174cf0$c945e6d0$@comcast.net>
References: <001201cec0fc$7e8bb620$7ba32260$@cactus.dk>
	<002b01cec109$43174cf0$c945e6d0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C5A840DF0@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>

http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer/index.php

Might be useful and I did some work with Patrick a long time ago on this. He is very helpful and I would say support would be excellent.

Martin


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: 04 October 2013 14:55
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation

Hi Gustav,

I did a little searching and apparently you can do things with ribbons from within Access.  These are two sites that look useful:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/office/aa905530.aspx

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd548010(v=office.12).aspx

Good Luck!
Dan


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 7:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation

Hi all

Does anyone know of a decent editor for these ribbons?

I tried to check out RibbonCreator:

   http://www.ribboncreator2010.de

but this piece of shareware (their own wording) won't run on my decent machine - it fails with an 0x8002801D error:

System.IndexOutOfRangeException: Subscript out of range
   at Microsoft.Vbe.Interop.VBProjectsClass.Item(Object index)
   at Ribbon2010.basVBE.FindModul(Object strModulname, Object VBEProject)
   at Ribbon2010.Form1.btnSelDatabase_Click(Object sender, EventArgs e)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs e)

You would expect some level of support on this but no, this stubborn support team asks you to first buy a license ... and only suggests to install the tool in a VM without(!) Access. How far out is that?

But there must be other tools out there. Some, however, are for Excel, Word, PP only, and some have not been developed further than 2007.
Or can the Office Tools for Visual Studio be used? 

Any suggestions?

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Mark Simms
Sendt: 1. oktober 2013 10:32
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation

You definitely want to go with the Ribbon, but you don't want to proceed without Albert Kallal's fine Ribbon Class. It makes the task of customizing and maintaining a complex set of ribbon controls very easy.
Otherwise, the callbacks will really become unmanageable after a large set is required.


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Oct  4 09:58:28 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:58:28 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Form navigation
Message-ID: <003f01cec112$2f70d960$8e528c20$@cactus.dk>

Hi Dan

Thanks, very useful. 
I looked for stuff like that but must have missed the right keywords.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Dan Waters
Sendt: 4. oktober 2013 15:55
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation

Hi Gustav,

I did a little searching and apparently you can do things with ribbons from
within Access.  These are two sites that look useful:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/office/aa905530.aspx

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd548010(v=office.12).aspx

Good Luck!
Dan


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 7:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation

Hi all

Does anyone know of a decent editor for these ribbons?

I tried to check out RibbonCreator:

   http://www.ribboncreator2010.de

but this piece of shareware (their own wording) won't run on my decent
machine - it fails with an 0x8002801D error:

System.IndexOutOfRangeException: Subscript out of range
   at Microsoft.Vbe.Interop.VBProjectsClass.Item(Object index)
   at Ribbon2010.basVBE.FindModul(Object strModulname, Object VBEProject)
   at Ribbon2010.Form1.btnSelDatabase_Click(Object sender, EventArgs e)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs e)

You would expect some level of support on this but no, this stubborn support
team asks you to first buy a license ... and only suggests to install the
tool in a VM without(!) Access. How far out is that?

But there must be other tools out there. Some, however, are for Excel, Word,
PP only, and some have not been developed further than 2007.
Or can the Office Tools for Visual Studio be used? 

Any suggestions?

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Mark Simms
Sendt: 1. oktober 2013 10:32
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation

You definitely want to go with the Ribbon, but you don't want to proceed
without Albert Kallal's fine Ribbon Class. It makes the task of customizing
and maintaining a complex set of ribbon controls very easy.
Otherwise, the callbacks will really become unmanageable after a large set
is required.



From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Oct  4 10:01:43 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 17:01:43 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Form navigation
Message-ID: <004101cec112$a35c7280$ea155780$@cactus.dk>

Hi Martin

That looks nice, though Patrick doesn't seem to have updated it for Access
2010.
I dropped him a note to get the current status.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Martin Reid
Sendt: 4. oktober 2013 16:03
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation

http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer/index.php

Might be useful and I did some work with Patrick a long time ago on this. He
is very helpful and I would say support would be excellent.

Martin


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: 04 October 2013 14:55
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation

Hi Gustav,

I did a little searching and apparently you can do things with ribbons from
within Access.  These are two sites that look useful:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/office/aa905530.aspx

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd548010(v=office.12).aspx

Good Luck!
Dan


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 7:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation

Hi all

Does anyone know of a decent editor for these ribbons?

I tried to check out RibbonCreator:

   http://www.ribboncreator2010.de

but this piece of shareware (their own wording) won't run on my decent
machine - it fails with an 0x8002801D error:

System.IndexOutOfRangeException: Subscript out of range
   at Microsoft.Vbe.Interop.VBProjectsClass.Item(Object index)
   at Ribbon2010.basVBE.FindModul(Object strModulname, Object VBEProject)
   at Ribbon2010.Form1.btnSelDatabase_Click(Object sender, EventArgs e)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs e)

You would expect some level of support on this but no, this stubborn support
team asks you to first buy a license ... and only suggests to install the
tool in a VM without(!) Access. How far out is that?

But there must be other tools out there. Some, however, are for Excel, Word,
PP only, and some have not been developed further than 2007.
Or can the Office Tools for Visual Studio be used? 

Any suggestions?

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Mark Simms
Sendt: 1. oktober 2013 10:32
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation

You definitely want to go with the Ribbon, but you don't want to proceed
without Albert Kallal's fine Ribbon Class. It makes the task of customizing
and maintaining a complex set of ribbon controls very easy.
Otherwise, the callbacks will really become unmanageable after a large set
is required. 



From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Oct  4 10:03:58 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 17:03:58 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Form navigation
Message-ID: <004301cec112$f3d90020$db8b0060$@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

Yes, a bit strange, or for 2007 only, or not for Access.
Or perhaps it is not that difficult to do in plain XML when you get used to
it.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Dettman
Sendt: 4. oktober 2013 15:50
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation


 That's the only editor out there that I'm aware of.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 08:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation

Hi all

Does anyone know of a decent editor for these ribbons?

I tried to check out RibbonCreator:

   http://www.ribboncreator2010.de

but this piece of shareware (their own wording) won't run on my decent
machine - it fails with an 0x8002801D error:

System.IndexOutOfRangeException: Subscript out of range
   at Microsoft.Vbe.Interop.VBProjectsClass.Item(Object index)
   at Ribbon2010.basVBE.FindModul(Object strModulname, Object VBEProject)
   at Ribbon2010.Form1.btnSelDatabase_Click(Object sender, EventArgs e)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs e)

You would expect some level of support on this but no, this stubborn support
team asks you to first buy a license ... and only suggests to install the
tool in a VM without(!) Access. How far out is that?

But there must be other tools out there. Some, however, are for Excel, Word,
PP only, and some have not been developed further than 2007.
Or can the Office Tools for Visual Studio be used? 

Any suggestions?

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Mark Simms
Sendt: 1. oktober 2013 10:32
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation

You definitely want to go with the Ribbon, but you don't want to proceed
without Albert Kallal's fine Ribbon Class. It makes the task of customizing
and maintaining a complex set of ribbon controls very easy.
Otherwise, the callbacks will really become unmanageable after a large set
is required.



From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri Oct  4 10:07:56 2013
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:07:56 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Form navigation
In-Reply-To: <004101cec112$a35c7280$ea155780$@cactus.dk>
References: <004101cec112$a35c7280$ea155780$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C5A840EA5@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Gustav

I think 2007/8 was about when I was testing it for him!! Years are flying past all too quickly!

Martin



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 04 October 2013 16:02
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation

Hi Martin

That looks nice, though Patrick doesn't seem to have updated it for Access 2010.
I dropped him a note to get the current status.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Martin Reid
Sendt: 4. oktober 2013 16:03
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation

http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer/index.php

Might be useful and I did some work with Patrick a long time ago on this. He is very helpful and I would say support would be excellent.

Martin


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: 04 October 2013 14:55
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation

Hi Gustav,

I did a little searching and apparently you can do things with ribbons from within Access.  These are two sites that look useful:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/office/aa905530.aspx

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd548010(v=office.12).aspx

Good Luck!
Dan


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 7:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation

Hi all

Does anyone know of a decent editor for these ribbons?

I tried to check out RibbonCreator:

   http://www.ribboncreator2010.de

but this piece of shareware (their own wording) won't run on my decent machine - it fails with an 0x8002801D error:

System.IndexOutOfRangeException: Subscript out of range
   at Microsoft.Vbe.Interop.VBProjectsClass.Item(Object index)
   at Ribbon2010.basVBE.FindModul(Object strModulname, Object VBEProject)
   at Ribbon2010.Form1.btnSelDatabase_Click(Object sender, EventArgs e)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs e)

You would expect some level of support on this but no, this stubborn support team asks you to first buy a license ... and only suggests to install the tool in a VM without(!) Access. How far out is that?

But there must be other tools out there. Some, however, are for Excel, Word, PP only, and some have not been developed further than 2007.
Or can the Office Tools for Visual Studio be used? 

Any suggestions?

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Mark Simms
Sendt: 1. oktober 2013 10:32
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation

You definitely want to go with the Ribbon, but you don't want to proceed without Albert Kallal's fine Ribbon Class. It makes the task of customizing and maintaining a complex set of ribbon controls very easy.
Otherwise, the callbacks will really become unmanageable after a large set is required. 


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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Oct  4 10:24:34 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 11:24:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Form navigation
In-Reply-To: <004301cec112$f3d90020$db8b0060$@cactus.dk>
References: <004301cec112$f3d90020$db8b0060$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gh0ms-BUJMkJX_dBtQd8irozD8bVr-39j3VZ7GmCYPYQ@mail.gmail.com>

I still haven't found my rewrite of the switchboard stuff that uses a
treeview. Too many backups to go through. So I'm going to write it again.
As Don Knuth said, any significant program is worth writing twice -- once
to understand the problem and once to solve it. I hold that maxim dear to
my heart; although maybe (at least in the MS world) it's worth changing the
app to write the XML required for the ribbon.

It took me a while to get used to the ribbon, but now I quite like it.

A.


On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Jim
>
> Yes, a bit strange, or for 2007 only, or not for Access.
> Or perhaps it is not that difficult to do in plain XML when you get used to
> it.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Dettman
> Sendt: 4. oktober 2013 15:50
> Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation
>
>
>  That's the only editor out there that I'm aware of.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 08:23 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation
>
> Hi all
>
> Does anyone know of a decent editor for these ribbons?
>
> I tried to check out RibbonCreator:
>
>    http://www.ribboncreator2010.de
>
> but this piece of shareware (their own wording) won't run on my decent
> machine - it fails with an 0x8002801D error:
>
> System.IndexOutOfRangeException: Subscript out of range
>    at Microsoft.Vbe.Interop.VBProjectsClass.Item(Object index)
>    at Ribbon2010.basVBE.FindModul(Object strModulname, Object VBEProject)
>    at Ribbon2010.Form1.btnSelDatabase_Click(Object sender, EventArgs e)
>    at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs e)
>
> You would expect some level of support on this but no, this stubborn
> support
> team asks you to first buy a license ... and only suggests to install the
> tool in a VM without(!) Access. How far out is that?
>
> But there must be other tools out there. Some, however, are for Excel,
> Word,
> PP only, and some have not been developed further than 2007.
> Or can the Office Tools for Visual Studio be used?
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> /gustav
>
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Mark Simms
> Sendt: 1. oktober 2013 10:32
> Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation
>
> You definitely want to go with the Ribbon, but you don't want to proceed
> without Albert Kallal's fine Ribbon Class. It makes the task of customizing
> and maintaining a complex set of ribbon controls very easy.
> Otherwise, the callbacks will really become unmanageable after a large set
> is required.
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Arthur

From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Fri Oct  4 10:56:14 2013
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 11:56:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Form navigation
In-Reply-To: <004301cec112$f3d90020$db8b0060$@cactus.dk>
References: <004301cec112$f3d90020$db8b0060$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F980210377AA5@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>

MontaRibbons? http://www.ribbon01.com/index.htm Not tried it out.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 11:04 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation

Hi Jim

Yes, a bit strange, or for 2007 only, or not for Access.
Or perhaps it is not that difficult to do in plain XML when you get used to it.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Dettman
Sendt: 4. oktober 2013 15:50
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation


 That's the only editor out there that I'm aware of.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 08:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation

Hi all

Does anyone know of a decent editor for these ribbons?

I tried to check out RibbonCreator:

   http://www.ribboncreator2010.de

but this piece of shareware (their own wording) won't run on my decent machine - it fails with an 0x8002801D error:

System.IndexOutOfRangeException: Subscript out of range
   at Microsoft.Vbe.Interop.VBProjectsClass.Item(Object index)
   at Ribbon2010.basVBE.FindModul(Object strModulname, Object VBEProject)
   at Ribbon2010.Form1.btnSelDatabase_Click(Object sender, EventArgs e)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs e)

You would expect some level of support on this but no, this stubborn support team asks you to first buy a license ... and only suggests to install the tool in a VM without(!) Access. How far out is that?

But there must be other tools out there. Some, however, are for Excel, Word, PP only, and some have not been developed further than 2007.
Or can the Office Tools for Visual Studio be used? 

Any suggestions?

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Mark Simms
Sendt: 1. oktober 2013 10:32
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation

You definitely want to go with the Ribbon, but you don't want to proceed without Albert Kallal's fine Ribbon Class. It makes the task of customizing and maintaining a complex set of ribbon controls very easy.
Otherwise, the callbacks will really become unmanageable after a large set is required.


--
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AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Oct  4 13:04:08 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 12:04:08 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Form navigation
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gh0ms-BUJMkJX_dBtQd8irozD8bVr-39j3VZ7GmCYPYQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1958812258.22276025.1380909848049.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Arthur:

I do have a copy of your code and maybe your article stashed on one of my drives and if you are interested I can send it to you.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 8:24:34 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation

I still haven't found my rewrite of the switchboard stuff that uses a
treeview. Too many backups to go through. So I'm going to write it again.
As Don Knuth said, any significant program is worth writing twice -- once
to understand the problem and once to solve it. I hold that maxim dear to
my heart; although maybe (at least in the MS world) it's worth changing the
app to write the XML required for the ribbon.

It took me a while to get used to the ribbon, but now I quite like it.

A.


On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Jim
>
> Yes, a bit strange, or for 2007 only, or not for Access.
> Or perhaps it is not that difficult to do in plain XML when you get used to
> it.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Dettman
> Sendt: 4. oktober 2013 15:50
> Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation
>
>
>  That's the only editor out there that I'm aware of.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 08:23 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation
>
> Hi all
>
> Does anyone know of a decent editor for these ribbons?
>
> I tried to check out RibbonCreator:
>
>    http://www.ribboncreator2010.de
>
> but this piece of shareware (their own wording) won't run on my decent
> machine - it fails with an 0x8002801D error:
>
> System.IndexOutOfRangeException: Subscript out of range
>    at Microsoft.Vbe.Interop.VBProjectsClass.Item(Object index)
>    at Ribbon2010.basVBE.FindModul(Object strModulname, Object VBEProject)
>    at Ribbon2010.Form1.btnSelDatabase_Click(Object sender, EventArgs e)
>    at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs e)
>
> You would expect some level of support on this but no, this stubborn
> support
> team asks you to first buy a license ... and only suggests to install the
> tool in a VM without(!) Access. How far out is that?
>
> But there must be other tools out there. Some, however, are for Excel,
> Word,
> PP only, and some have not been developed further than 2007.
> Or can the Office Tools for Visual Studio be used?
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> /gustav
>
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Mark Simms
> Sendt: 1. oktober 2013 10:32
> Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation
>
> You definitely want to go with the Ribbon, but you don't want to proceed
> without Albert Kallal's fine Ribbon Class. It makes the task of customizing
> and maintaining a complex set of ribbon controls very easy.
> Otherwise, the callbacks will really become unmanageable after a large set
> is required.
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Arthur
-- 
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Oct  4 13:03:53 2013
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2013 20:03:53 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Form navigation
Message-ID: <s24f1f41.052@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

You may be right about that, and the second edition may even be better!

However, I think I have decided for using the ribbon for this project, so it would only server me for an upcoming project.

/gustav

>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 04-10-13 17:24 >>>
I still haven't found my rewrite of the switchboard stuff that uses a
treeview. Too many backups to go through. So I'm going to write it again.
As Don Knuth said, any significant program is worth writing twice -- once
to understand the problem and once to solve it. I hold that maxim dear to
my heart; although maybe (at least in the MS world) it's worth changing the
app to write the XML required for the ribbon.

It took me a while to get used to the ribbon, but now I quite like it.

A.


On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Jim
>
> Yes, a bit strange, or for 2007 only, or not for Access.
> Or perhaps it is not that difficult to do in plain XML when you get used to it.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Dettman
> Sendt: 4. oktober 2013 15:50
> Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation
>
>
>  That's the only editor out there that I'm aware of.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 08:23 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation
>
> Hi all
>
> Does anyone know of a decent editor for these ribbons?
>
> I tried to check out RibbonCreator:
>
>    http://www.ribboncreator2010.de
>
> but this piece of shareware (their own wording) won't run on my decent
> machine - it fails with an 0x8002801D error:
>
> System.IndexOutOfRangeException: Subscript out of range
>    at Microsoft.Vbe.Interop.VBProjectsClass.Item(Object index)
>    at Ribbon2010.basVBE.FindModul(Object strModulname, Object VBEProject)
>    at Ribbon2010.Form1.btnSelDatabase_Click(Object sender, EventArgs e)
>    at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs e)
>
> You would expect some level of support on this but no, this stubborn support
> team asks you to first buy a license ... and only suggests to install the
> tool in a VM without(!) Access. How far out is that?
>
> But there must be other tools out there. Some, however, are for Excel, Word,
> PP only, and some have not been developed further than 2007.
> Or can the Office Tools for Visual Studio be used?
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> /gustav


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Oct  4 15:17:05 2013
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2013 22:17:05 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Cloud backup (was: Form navigation)
Message-ID: <s24f3e7a.054@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

So that's the cloud based backup service of yours?

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 04-10-13 20:04 >>>
Hi Arthur:

I do have a copy of your code and maybe your article stashed on one of my drives and if you are interested I can send it to you.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 8:24:34 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation

I still haven't found my rewrite of the switchboard stuff that uses a
treeview. Too many backups to go through. So I'm going to write it again.


From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Oct  4 15:36:54 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 14:36:54 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Cloud backup (was: Form navigation)
In-Reply-To: <s24f3e7a.054@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1868722497.22445087.1380919014903.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Gustav:

Ha ha ha, not quite maybe one day but so far I am not hosting my own Cloud service, yet. 

Maybe soon; http://owncloud.org/ but the application still needs a few tweaks and a lot more testing before it is a fully stable environment. 

Right now everything is residing on various servers through out my network but it requires a good human librarian to track down those rare gems. ;-)

Do you want a copy? If you have BitTorrent Sync running I will just send you a key otherwise there are still traditional methods available.

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 1:17:05 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cloud backup (was: Form navigation)

Hi Jim

So that's the cloud based backup service of yours?

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 04-10-13 20:04 >>>
Hi Arthur:

I do have a copy of your code and maybe your article stashed on one of my drives and if you are interested I can send it to you.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 8:24:34 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation

I still haven't found my rewrite of the switchboard stuff that uses a
treeview. Too many backups to go through. So I'm going to write it again.

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Oct  4 15:54:36 2013
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2013 22:54:36 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Cloud backup (was: Form navigation)
Message-ID: <s24f4745.055@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

No thanks. Could be fun to play with but my list with things to check ot - not to say get done with - is already far too long. I try to keep new items from creeping in ...

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 04-10-13 22:36 >>>
Hi Gustav:

Ha ha ha, not quite maybe one day but so far I am not hosting my own Cloud service, yet. 

Maybe soon; http://owncloud.org/ but the application still needs a few tweaks and a lot more testing before it is a fully stable environment. 

Right now everything is residing on various servers through out my network but it requires a good human librarian to track down those rare gems. ;-)

Do you want a copy? If you have BitTorrent Sync running I will just send you a key otherwise there are still traditional methods available.

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 1:17:05 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cloud backup (was: Form navigation)

Hi Jim

So that's the cloud based backup service of yours?

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 04-10-13 20:04 >>>
Hi Arthur:

I do have a copy of your code and maybe your article stashed on one of my drives and if you are interested I can send it to you.

Jim


From marksimms at verizon.net  Fri Oct  4 18:39:44 2013
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2013 19:39:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Form navigation
In-Reply-To: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F980210377AA5@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
References: <004301cec112$f3d90020$db8b0060$@cactus.dk>
	<F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F980210377AA5@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <01f401cec15b$01bc1090$053431b0$@net>

I tried the earlier versions....it was very good.
Haven't seen the latest however.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
> Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 11:56 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation
>
> MontaRibbons? http://www.ribbon01.com/index.htm Not tried it out.
>
> Lambert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 11:04 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation
>
> Hi Jim
>
> Yes, a bit strange, or for 2007 only, or not for Access.
> Or perhaps it is not that difficult to do in plain XML when you get
> used to it.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Dettman
> Sendt: 4. oktober 2013 15:50
> Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation
>
>
>  That's the only editor out there that I'm aware of.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 08:23 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation
>
> Hi all
>
> Does anyone know of a decent editor for these ribbons?
>
> I tried to check out RibbonCreator:
>
>    http://www.ribboncreator2010.de
>
> but this piece of shareware (their own wording) won't run on my decent
> machine - it fails with an 0x8002801D error:
>
> System.IndexOutOfRangeException: Subscript out of range
>    at Microsoft.Vbe.Interop.VBProjectsClass.Item(Object index)
>    at Ribbon2010.basVBE.FindModul(Object strModulname, Object
> VBEProject)
>    at Ribbon2010.Form1.btnSelDatabase_Click(Object sender, EventArgs e)
>    at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs e)
>
> You would expect some level of support on this but no, this stubborn
> support team asks you to first buy a license ... and only suggests to
> install the tool in a VM without(!) Access. How far out is that?
>
> But there must be other tools out there. Some, however, are for Excel,
> Word, PP only, and some have not been developed further than 2007.
> Or can the Office Tools for Visual Studio be used?
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> /gustav
>
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Mark Simms
> Sendt: 1. oktober 2013 10:32
> Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation
>
> You definitely want to go with the Ribbon, but you don't want to
> proceed without Albert Kallal's fine Ribbon Class. It makes the task of
> customizing and maintaining a complex set of ribbon controls very easy.
> Otherwise, the callbacks will really become unmanageable after a large
> set is required.
>
>
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Fri Oct  4 18:41:02 2013
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2013 19:41:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Form navigation
In-Reply-To: <001201cec0fc$7e8bb620$7ba32260$@cactus.dk>
References: <001201cec0fc$7e8bb620$7ba32260$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <01f501cec15b$301d62e0$905828a0$@net>

Earlier versions were......plain awful.
Very crude GUI....confusing as well.
Fraught with limitations....and lack of flexibility.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 8:23 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation
>
> Hi all
>
> Does anyone know of a decent editor for these ribbons?
>
> I tried to check out RibbonCreator:
>
>    http://www.ribboncreator2010.de
>
> but this piece of shareware (their own wording) won't run on my decent
> machine - it fails with an 0x8002801D error:
>
> System.IndexOutOfRangeException: Subscript out of range
>    at Microsoft.Vbe.Interop.VBProjectsClass.Item(Object index)
>    at Ribbon2010.basVBE.FindModul(Object strModulname, Object
> VBEProject)
>    at Ribbon2010.Form1.btnSelDatabase_Click(Object sender, EventArgs e)
>    at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs e)
>
> You would expect some level of support on this but no, this stubborn
> support
> team asks you to first buy a license ... and only suggests to install
> the
> tool in a VM without(!) Access. How far out is that?
>
> But there must be other tools out there. Some, however, are for Excel,
> Word,
> PP only, and some have not been developed further than 2007.
> Or can the Office Tools for Visual Studio be used?
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> /gustav
>
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Mark Simms
> Sendt: 1. oktober 2013 10:32
> Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Form navigation
>
> You definitely want to go with the Ribbon, but you don't want to
> proceed
> without Albert Kallal's fine Ribbon Class. It makes the task of
> customizing
> and maintaining a complex set of ribbon controls very easy.
> Otherwise, the callbacks will really become unmanageable after a large
> set
> is required.
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Oct  4 19:39:33 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 18:39:33 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] A very positive future
In-Reply-To: <01f401cec15b$01bc1090$053431b0$@net>
Message-ID: <1947355378.22638256.1380933573277.JavaMail.root@cds002>

The following link gives an excellent description of where we are, how we got there and how our future is to change. This whole government shut-down may be the moment when we, years later will say, "This was the turning point, when Reganomic extremism finally started on the long road back."

http://rwer.wordpress.com/2013/10/03/the-end-is-nigh/#more-13682

Jim

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Oct  4 21:25:34 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2013 12:25:34 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A very positive future
In-Reply-To: <1947355378.22638256.1380933573277.JavaMail.root@cds002>
References: <01f401cec15b$01bc1090$053431b0$@net>,
	<1947355378.22638256.1380933573277.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <524F789E.19845.294B9A63@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Should this have gone to OT?

On 4 Oct 2013 at 18:39, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> The following link gives an excellent description of where we are, how we got there and how our future is to change. This whole government shut-down may be the moment when we, years later will say, "This was the turning point, when Reganomic extremism finally started on the long road back."
> 
> http://rwer.wordpress.com/2013/10/03/the-end-is-nigh/#more-13682
> 
> Jim
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Oct  5 09:52:29 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2013 10:52:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Cloud backup (was: Form navigation)
In-Reply-To: <s24f4745.055@cactus.dk>
References: <s24f4745.055@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1giYanPZvdNXpBcBFdjKRYmRfbhB+kzAaH2a1VC2bKFjQ@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,

Thanks for the offer, and I shall gratefully accept. Please send the code
to me. And in exchange I promise to re-factor it.

Arthur


>>> accessd at shaw.ca 04-10-13 20:04 >>>
> Hi Arthur:
>
> I do have a copy of your code and maybe your article stashed on one of my
> drives and if you are interested I can send it to you.
>
> Jim
>
>
>

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Oct  5 11:54:01 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2013 10:54:01 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] A very positive future
In-Reply-To: <524F789E.19845.294B9A63@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <1658719889.23014588.1380992041971.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Yes it should of sorry about that...my apologies.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 7:25:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A very positive future

Should this have gone to OT?

On 4 Oct 2013 at 18:39, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> The following link gives an excellent description of where we are, how we got there and how our future is to change. This whole government shut-down may be the moment when we, years later will say, "This was the turning point, when Reganomic extremism finally started on the long road back."
> 
> http://rwer.wordpress.com/2013/10/03/the-end-is-nigh/#more-13682
> 
> Jim
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Oct  5 12:23:33 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2013 11:23:33 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Cloud backup (was: Form navigation)
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1giYanPZvdNXpBcBFdjKRYmRfbhB+kzAaH2a1VC2bKFjQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <212786100.23037720.1380993813233.JavaMail.root@cds002>

I am just heading out...the crew are threatening mutiny if I will not move immediately.

Will send to you when I return.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 5, 2013 7:52:29 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cloud backup (was: Form navigation)

Jim,

Thanks for the offer, and I shall gratefully accept. Please send the code
to me. And in exchange I promise to re-factor it.

Arthur


>>> accessd at shaw.ca 04-10-13 20:04 >>>
> Hi Arthur:
>
> I do have a copy of your code and maybe your article stashed on one of my
> drives and if you are interested I can send it to you.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Fri Oct 11 11:22:45 2013
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 11:22:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access Report - One field for one Customer is Missing
References: <228370637.15713521.1380313676099.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501AE2024@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

All,

This is one of the strangest things that I have seen for a long time.

We have a Sales Order report that has been used for several months.
Recently one of our users pointed out that the Customer Name was not
being shown for a specific customer.  

There are 7 fields shown for each customer on the report.  All of the
fields are shown for all customers, except one.  For this one customer,
only 6 of the 7 fields are shown.

Here is where things get really interesting...

When I look at the data from the underlying query, I can see all 7
fields for this customer.

In other words, all of the data is visible in the Report's data source
(underlying query), but not all of the data is being shown on the
report.

Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Brad


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Oct 11 11:32:09 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 09:32:09 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Report - One field for one Customer is Missing
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501AE2024@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <228370637.15713521.1380313676099.JavaMail.root@cds002>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501AE2024@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <BC48B14EA9C14F7B9A4B49C2A60B2784@HAL9007>

Do you have an earlier version of the mdb where the report does work? If so,
you could import that report into the current version.   

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 9:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Access Report - One field for one Customer is Missing

All,

This is one of the strangest things that I have seen for a long time.

We have a Sales Order report that has been used for several months.
Recently one of our users pointed out that the Customer Name was not being
shown for a specific customer.  

There are 7 fields shown for each customer on the report.  All of the fields
are shown for all customers, except one.  For this one customer, only 6 of
the 7 fields are shown.

Here is where things get really interesting...

When I look at the data from the underlying query, I can see all 7 fields
for this customer.

In other words, all of the data is visible in the Report's data source
(underlying query), but not all of the data is being shown on the report.

Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Brad

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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Fri Oct 11 11:46:50 2013
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 11:46:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access Report - One field for one Customer is Missing
References: <228370637.15713521.1380313676099.JavaMail.root@cds002><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501AE2024@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<BC48B14EA9C14F7B9A4B49C2A60B2784@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501AE202E@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

Rocky,

Thanks for the help.

I found an earlier version from the first part of September.  I ran a
test with this version and the problem surfaced with this older version
also.

I think that either the problem has existed for a long time and it was
never pointed out, or there is something really strange about the data
for this one customer.

Brad



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 11:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Report - One field for one Customer is
Missing

Do you have an earlier version of the mdb where the report does work? If
so,
you could import that report into the current version.   

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 9:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Access Report - One field for one Customer is Missing

All,

This is one of the strangest things that I have seen for a long time.

We have a Sales Order report that has been used for several months.
Recently one of our users pointed out that the Customer Name was not
being shown for a specific customer.  

There are 7 fields shown for each customer on the report.  All of the
fields are shown for all customers, except one.  For this one customer,
only 6 of the 7 fields are shown.

Here is where things get really interesting...

When I look at the data from the underlying query, I can see all 7
fields for this customer.

In other words, all of the data is visible in the Report's data source
(underlying query), but not all of the data is being shown on the
report.

Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Brad

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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Fri Oct 11 11:55:07 2013
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 09:55:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Report - One field for one Customer is Missing
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501AE202E@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <228370637.15713521.1380313676099.JavaMail.root@cds002>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501AE2024@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<BC48B14EA9C14F7B9A4B49C2A60B2784@HAL9007>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501AE202E@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
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Could it be something silly like a field that is right aligned and excess
white space at the end of that one customer field?

can you put a label somewhere on the report for Sh|ts and giggles that uses
the same control source as the suspect text box?




On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com>wrote:

> Rocky,
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> I found an earlier version from the first part of September.  I ran a
> test with this version and the problem surfaced with this older version
> also.
>
> I think that either the problem has existed for a long time and it was
> never pointed out, or there is something really strange about the data
> for this one customer.
>
> Brad
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 11:32 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Report - One field for one Customer is
> Missing
>
> Do you have an earlier version of the mdb where the report does work? If
> so,
> you could import that report into the current version.
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 9:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Access Report - One field for one Customer is Missing
>
> All,
>
> This is one of the strangest things that I have seen for a long time.
>
> We have a Sales Order report that has been used for several months.
> Recently one of our users pointed out that the Customer Name was not
> being shown for a specific customer.
>
> There are 7 fields shown for each customer on the report.  All of the
> fields are shown for all customers, except one.  For this one customer,
> only 6 of the 7 fields are shown.
>
> Here is where things get really interesting...
>
> When I look at the data from the underlying query, I can see all 7
> fields for this customer.
>
> In other words, all of the data is visible in the Report's data source
> (underlying query), but not all of the data is being shown on the
> report.
>
> Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Fri Oct 11 12:13:52 2013
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 12:13:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access Report - One field for one Customer is Missing
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501AE2024@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <228370637.15713521.1380313676099.JavaMail.root@cds002>
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I would export the data for the report - from a query I presume - to a TXT
format file and then look at that file with a hex viewer and see if there
are weird and possibly unprintable characters involved.


On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com>wrote:

> All,
>
> This is one of the strangest things that I have seen for a long time.
>
> We have a Sales Order report that has been used for several months.
> Recently one of our users pointed out that the Customer Name was not
> being shown for a specific customer.
>
> There are 7 fields shown for each customer on the report.  All of the
> fields are shown for all customers, except one.  For this one customer,
> only 6 of the 7 fields are shown.
>
> Here is where things get really interesting...
>
> When I look at the data from the underlying query, I can see all 7
> fields for this customer.
>
> In other words, all of the data is visible in the Report's data source
> (underlying query), but not all of the data is being shown on the
> report.
>
> Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
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From dbdoug at gmail.com  Fri Oct 11 12:49:39 2013
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 10:49:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Report - One field for one Customer is Missing
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pJd8ePLEMHnVa26KH9rP2GjguQUdhS4wQawKsA4UuZjsw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <228370637.15713521.1380313676099.JavaMail.root@cds002>
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Can you edit the customer master record? Try clearing the Name field and
re-entering it, then see if that fixes the problem.

Doug


On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:

> I would export the data for the report - from a query I presume - to a TXT
> format file and then look at that file with a hex viewer and see if there
> are weird and possibly unprintable characters involved.
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com
> >wrote:
>
> > All,
> >
> > This is one of the strangest things that I have seen for a long time.
> >
> > We have a Sales Order report that has been used for several months.
> > Recently one of our users pointed out that the Customer Name was not
> > being shown for a specific customer.
> >
> > There are 7 fields shown for each customer on the report.  All of the
> > fields are shown for all customers, except one.  For this one customer,
> > only 6 of the 7 fields are shown.
> >
> > Here is where things get really interesting...
> >
> > When I look at the data from the underlying query, I can see all 7
> > fields for this customer.
> >
> > In other words, all of the data is visible in the Report's data source
> > (underlying query), but not all of the data is being shown on the
> > report.
> >
> > Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brad
> >
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> >
>
>
>
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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Fri Oct 11 13:21:33 2013
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 13:21:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access Report - One field for one Customer is Missing
References: <228370637.15713521.1380313676099.JavaMail.root@cds002><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501AE2024@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><BC48B14EA9C14F7B9A4B49C2A60B2784@HAL9007><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501AE202E@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
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David,

I checked the field alignment and I added the same field to a second
place on the report.  The error still surfaced.

Thanks for your help.

Brad



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 11:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Report - One field for one Customer is
Missing

Could it be something silly like a field that is right aligned and
excess white space at the end of that one customer field?

can you put a label somewhere on the report for Sh|ts and giggles that
uses the same control source as the suspect text box?




On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Brad Marks
<BradM at blackforestltd.com>wrote:

> Rocky,
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> I found an earlier version from the first part of September.  I ran a 
> test with this version and the problem surfaced with this older 
> version also.
>
> I think that either the problem has existed for a long time and it was

> never pointed out, or there is something really strange about the data

> for this one customer.
>
> Brad
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin
> Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 11:32 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Report - One field for one Customer is 
> Missing
>
> Do you have an earlier version of the mdb where the report does work? 
> If so, you could import that report into the current version.
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 9:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Access Report - One field for one Customer is 
> Missing
>
> All,
>
> This is one of the strangest things that I have seen for a long time.
>
> We have a Sales Order report that has been used for several months.
> Recently one of our users pointed out that the Customer Name was not 
> being shown for a specific customer.
>
> There are 7 fields shown for each customer on the report.  All of the 
> fields are shown for all customers, except one.  For this one 
> customer, only 6 of the 7 fields are shown.
>
> Here is where things get really interesting...
>
> When I look at the data from the underlying query, I can see all 7 
> fields for this customer.
>
> In other words, all of the data is visible in the Report's data source

> (underlying query), but not all of the data is being shown on the 
> report.
>
> Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Oct 11 13:43:52 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 11:43:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Report - One field for one Customer is Missing
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWZuGWyHMr4EK9TqbGjzsM8m6jTGTdbeo-7NQaR9KV_iaw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <228370637.15713521.1380313676099.JavaMail.root@cds002><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501AE2024@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><BC48B14EA9C14F7B9A4B49C2A60B2784@HAL9007><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501AE202E@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
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No S&G about it David.  That's what I'd do next.  Probably just delete the
text box and re-create it. 

My cousin is a clinical psychologist.  They have a saying "Whatever it is,
that's not it."  I find that's good advice in debugging something that makes
no sense.  

We tend to unconsciously rule out stuff that couldn't possibly be the cause.


Brad - how about deleting the record and re-entering it manually in the
table?  How about temporarily changing the data in the field that doesn't
print to see if it's something about those particular bytes?



R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 9:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Report - One field for one Customer is Missing

Could it be something silly like a field that is right aligned and excess
white space at the end of that one customer field?

can you put a label somewhere on the report for Sh|ts and giggles that uses
the same control source as the suspect text box?




On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com>wrote:

> Rocky,
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> I found an earlier version from the first part of September.  I ran a 
> test with this version and the problem surfaced with this older 
> version also.
>
> I think that either the problem has existed for a long time and it was 
> never pointed out, or there is something really strange about the data 
> for this one customer.
>
> Brad
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin
> Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 11:32 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Report - One field for one Customer is 
> Missing
>
> Do you have an earlier version of the mdb where the report does work? 
> If so, you could import that report into the current version.
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 9:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Access Report - One field for one Customer is 
> Missing
>
> All,
>
> This is one of the strangest things that I have seen for a long time.
>
> We have a Sales Order report that has been used for several months.
> Recently one of our users pointed out that the Customer Name was not 
> being shown for a specific customer.
>
> There are 7 fields shown for each customer on the report.  All of the 
> fields are shown for all customers, except one.  For this one 
> customer, only 6 of the 7 fields are shown.
>
> Here is where things get really interesting...
>
> When I look at the data from the underlying query, I can see all 7 
> fields for this customer.
>
> In other words, all of the data is visible in the Report's data source 
> (underlying query), but not all of the data is being shown on the 
> report.
>
> Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Fri Oct 11 14:05:07 2013
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 12:05:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Report - One field for one Customer is Missing
In-Reply-To: <1EC8467EC6A1485EBDE1449D53EA0D82@HAL9007>
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I tend to think Gary is correct.

I bet there is some stupid character that is in there that is preventing it
from showing up.




On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> No S&G about it David.  That's what I'd do next.  Probably just delete the
> text box and re-create it.
>
> My cousin is a clinical psychologist.  They have a saying "Whatever it is,
> that's not it."  I find that's good advice in debugging something that
> makes
> no sense.
>
> We tend to unconsciously rule out stuff that couldn't possibly be the
> cause.
>
>
> Brad - how about deleting the record and re-entering it manually in the
> table?  How about temporarily changing the data in the field that doesn't
> print to see if it's something about those particular bytes?
>
>
>
> R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
> Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 9:55 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Report - One field for one Customer is
> Missing
>
> Could it be something silly like a field that is right aligned and excess
> white space at the end of that one customer field?
>
> can you put a label somewhere on the report for Sh|ts and giggles that uses
> the same control source as the suspect text box?
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Rocky,
> >
> > Thanks for the help.
> >
> > I found an earlier version from the first part of September.  I ran a
> > test with this version and the problem surfaced with this older
> > version also.
> >
> > I think that either the problem has existed for a long time and it was
> > never pointed out, or there is something really strange about the data
> > for this one customer.
> >
> > Brad
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
> > Smolin
> > Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 11:32 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Report - One field for one Customer is
> > Missing
> >
> > Do you have an earlier version of the mdb where the report does work?
> > If so, you could import that report into the current version.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> > Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 9:23 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: [AccessD] Access Report - One field for one Customer is
> > Missing
> >
> > All,
> >
> > This is one of the strangest things that I have seen for a long time.
> >
> > We have a Sales Order report that has been used for several months.
> > Recently one of our users pointed out that the Customer Name was not
> > being shown for a specific customer.
> >
> > There are 7 fields shown for each customer on the report.  All of the
> > fields are shown for all customers, except one.  For this one
> > customer, only 6 of the 7 fields are shown.
> >
> > Here is where things get really interesting...
> >
> > When I look at the data from the underlying query, I can see all 7
> > fields for this customer.
> >
> > In other words, all of the data is visible in the Report's data source
> > (underlying query), but not all of the data is being shown on the
> > report.
> >
> > Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brad
> >
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Fri Oct 11 14:11:41 2013
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 14:11:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access Report - One field for one Customer is Missing
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWbQQ0cmKRj8duvTXyOUtAjUVFv1QODPK5TadbdxecGA_A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <228370637.15713521.1380313676099.JavaMail.root@cds002>
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	<CAMhYZWZuGWyHMr4EK9TqbGjzsM8m6jTGTdbeo-7NQaR9KV_iaw@mail.gmail.com>
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We run into Tabs, New Lines and Carriage Returns amongst other things all
the time in our data. A lot of times you can't seen them on screen in
normal view. Sometimes you can see them in another font

GK


On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 2:05 PM, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com> wrote:

> I tend to think Gary is correct.
>
> I bet there is some stupid character that is in there that is preventing it
> from showing up.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> >wrote:
>
> > No S&G about it David.  That's what I'd do next.  Probably just delete
> the
> > text box and re-create it.
> >
> > My cousin is a clinical psychologist.  They have a saying "Whatever it
> is,
> > that's not it."  I find that's good advice in debugging something that
> > makes
> > no sense.
> >
> > We tend to unconsciously rule out stuff that couldn't possibly be the
> > cause.
> >
> >
> > Brad - how about deleting the record and re-entering it manually in the
> > table?  How about temporarily changing the data in the field that doesn't
> > print to see if it's something about those particular bytes?
> >
> >
> >
> > R
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
> > Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 9:55 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Report - One field for one Customer is
> > Missing
> >
> > Could it be something silly like a field that is right aligned and excess
> > white space at the end of that one customer field?
> >
> > can you put a label somewhere on the report for Sh|ts and giggles that
> uses
> > the same control source as the suspect text box?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Rocky,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the help.
> > >
> > > I found an earlier version from the first part of September.  I ran a
> > > test with this version and the problem surfaced with this older
> > > version also.
> > >
> > > I think that either the problem has existed for a long time and it was
> > > never pointed out, or there is something really strange about the data
> > > for this one customer.
> > >
> > > Brad
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
> > > Smolin
> > > Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 11:32 AM
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Report - One field for one Customer is
> > > Missing
> > >
> > > Do you have an earlier version of the mdb where the report does work?
> > > If so, you could import that report into the current version.
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> > > Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 9:23 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Access Report - One field for one Customer is
> > > Missing
> > >
> > > All,
> > >
> > > This is one of the strangest things that I have seen for a long time.
> > >
> > > We have a Sales Order report that has been used for several months.
> > > Recently one of our users pointed out that the Customer Name was not
> > > being shown for a specific customer.
> > >
> > > There are 7 fields shown for each customer on the report.  All of the
> > > fields are shown for all customers, except one.  For this one
> > > customer, only 6 of the 7 fields are shown.
> > >
> > > Here is where things get really interesting...
> > >
> > > When I look at the data from the underlying query, I can see all 7
> > > fields for this customer.
> > >
> > > In other words, all of the data is visible in the Report's data source
> > > (underlying query), but not all of the data is being shown on the
> > > report.
> > >
> > > Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Brad
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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Fri Oct 11 14:49:39 2013
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 14:49:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access Report - One field for one Customer is Missing
References: <228370637.15713521.1380313676099.JavaMail.root@cds002>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501AE2024@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501AE2085@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

Rocky, David, Gary, Doug,

Thanks for all of your ideas/insights.

I used every idea as I tried to debug this problem.

One thing that I failed to mention earlier is that the underlying query
is pulling data from several other queries.  In other words it is
complex.  It appears that when the complexity of the queries is combined
with the report (which has sorts and filters), the Access gods are
angered.

I changed the report's query to be a "Make Table" query and then I
changed the report's data source to this new temporary table.  This
fixed the problem.

I don't fully understand what Access does behind the scenes, but
apparently the underlying queries are somehow combined with the report
filters and in some cases that does not work properly.

I really appreciate all of the help.  I am the "Lone Ranger IT person"
with no one else onsite to consult with.  Your assistance on this issue
and on many prior problems has been outstanding.

Thanks again,
Brad 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~
  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 11:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Access Report - One field for one Customer is Missing

All,

This is one of the strangest things that I have seen for a long time.

We have a Sales Order report that has been used for several months.
Recently one of our users pointed out that the Customer Name was not
being shown for a specific customer.  

There are 7 fields shown for each customer on the report.  All of the
fields are shown for all customers, except one.  For this one customer,
only 6 of the 7 fields are shown.

Here is where things get really interesting...

When I look at the data from the underlying query, I can see all 7
fields for this customer.

In other words, all of the data is visible in the Report's data source
(underlying query), but not all of the data is being shown on the
report.

Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Brad

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Oct 11 18:55:06 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 16:55:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Report - One field for one Customer is Missing
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501AE2085@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <228370637.15713521.1380313676099.JavaMail.root@cds002><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501AE2024@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501AE2085@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <03DE6CFA31CA462C9DC423D6D0B7EB3B@HAL9007>

I've used that work-around myself when faced with a report that's going to
require overly complex queries.  Not your case exactly but I got the idea of
the temp table years ago from this list.  I like the temp table approach
because you can lay out the table with exactly the fields you want on the
report and populate t with data instead of FKs. Use a bit of code to open a
recordset to get the basic data - loop through it filling the target table
and walla!  Report.

Rocky



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 12:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Report - One field for one Customer is Missing

Rocky, David, Gary, Doug,

Thanks for all of your ideas/insights.

I used every idea as I tried to debug this problem.

One thing that I failed to mention earlier is that the underlying query is
pulling data from several other queries.  In other words it is complex.  It
appears that when the complexity of the queries is combined with the report
(which has sorts and filters), the Access gods are angered.

I changed the report's query to be a "Make Table" query and then I changed
the report's data source to this new temporary table.  This fixed the
problem.

I don't fully understand what Access does behind the scenes, but apparently
the underlying queries are somehow combined with the report filters and in
some cases that does not work properly.

I really appreciate all of the help.  I am the "Lone Ranger IT person"
with no one else onsite to consult with.  Your assistance on this issue and
on many prior problems has been outstanding.

Thanks again,
Brad 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~
  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 11:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Access Report - One field for one Customer is Missing

All,

This is one of the strangest things that I have seen for a long time.

We have a Sales Order report that has been used for several months.
Recently one of our users pointed out that the Customer Name was not being
shown for a specific customer.  

There are 7 fields shown for each customer on the report.  All of the fields
are shown for all customers, except one.  For this one customer, only 6 of
the 7 fields are shown.

Here is where things get really interesting...

When I look at the data from the underlying query, I can see all 7 fields
for this customer.

In other words, all of the data is visible in the Report's data source
(underlying query), but not all of the data is being shown on the report.

Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Oct 11 19:12:53 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 10:12:53 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Report - One field for one Customer is Missing
In-Reply-To: <03DE6CFA31CA462C9DC423D6D0B7EB3B@HAL9007>
References: <228370637.15713521.1380313676099.JavaMail.root@cds002>,
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501AE2085@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>,
	<03DE6CFA31CA462C9DC423D6D0B7EB3B@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <52589405.8613.4CDE8B51@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

But be aware of bloat and come up with some way to handle it.

On 11 Oct 2013 at 16:55, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> I've used that work-around myself when faced with a report that's going to
> require overly complex queries.  Not your case exactly but I got the idea of
> the temp table years ago from this list.  I like the temp table approach
> because you can lay out the table with exactly the fields you want on the
> report and populate t with data instead of FKs. Use a bit of code to open a
> recordset to get the basic data - loop through it filling the target table
> and walla!  Report.
> 
> Rocky
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 12:50 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Report - One field for one Customer is Missing
> 
> Rocky, David, Gary, Doug,
> 
> Thanks for all of your ideas/insights.
> 
> I used every idea as I tried to debug this problem.
> 
> One thing that I failed to mention earlier is that the underlying query is
> pulling data from several other queries.  In other words it is complex.  It
> appears that when the complexity of the queries is combined with the report
> (which has sorts and filters), the Access gods are angered.
> 
> I changed the report's query to be a "Make Table" query and then I changed
> the report's data source to this new temporary table.  This fixed the
> problem.
> 
> I don't fully understand what Access does behind the scenes, but apparently
> the underlying queries are somehow combined with the report filters and in
> some cases that does not work properly.
> 
> I really appreciate all of the help.  I am the "Lone Ranger IT person"
> with no one else onsite to consult with.  Your assistance on this issue and
> on many prior problems has been outstanding.
> 
> Thanks again,
> Brad 
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> ~~~
>   
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 11:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Access Report - One field for one Customer is Missing
> 
> All,
> 
> This is one of the strangest things that I have seen for a long time.
> 
> We have a Sales Order report that has been used for several months.
> Recently one of our users pointed out that the Customer Name was not being
> shown for a specific customer.  
> 
> There are 7 fields shown for each customer on the report.  All of the fields
> are shown for all customers, except one.  For this one customer, only 6 of
> the 7 fields are shown.
> 
> Here is where things get really interesting...
> 
> When I look at the data from the underlying query, I can see all 7 fields
> for this customer.
> 
> In other words, all of the data is visible in the Report's data source
> (underlying query), but not all of the data is being shown on the report.
> 
> Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Brad
> 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Oct 11 19:16:50 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 17:16:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Report - One field for one Customer is Missing
In-Reply-To: <52589405.8613.4CDE8B51@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <228370637.15713521.1380313676099.JavaMail.root@cds002>,
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501AE2085@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>,
	<03DE6CFA31CA462C9DC423D6D0B7EB3B@HAL9007>
	<52589405.8613.4CDE8B51@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <ECDB3ADC8D5042D5BD5B1F0E0B3CE336@HAL9007>

Compact on exit works.  But there is that annoying lag between exiting and
the app actually closing.  

r
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 5:13 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Report - One field for one Customer is Missing

But be aware of bloat and come up with some way to handle it.

On 11 Oct 2013 at 16:55, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> I've used that work-around myself when faced with a report that's 
> going to require overly complex queries.  Not your case exactly but I 
> got the idea of the temp table years ago from this list.  I like the 
> temp table approach because you can lay out the table with exactly the 
> fields you want on the report and populate t with data instead of FKs. 
> Use a bit of code to open a recordset to get the basic data - loop 
> through it filling the target table and walla!  Report.
> 
> Rocky
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 12:50 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Report - One field for one Customer is 
> Missing
> 
> Rocky, David, Gary, Doug,
> 
> Thanks for all of your ideas/insights.
> 
> I used every idea as I tried to debug this problem.
> 
> One thing that I failed to mention earlier is that the underlying 
> query is pulling data from several other queries.  In other words it 
> is complex.  It appears that when the complexity of the queries is 
> combined with the report (which has sorts and filters), the Access gods
are angered.
> 
> I changed the report's query to be a "Make Table" query and then I 
> changed the report's data source to this new temporary table.  This 
> fixed the problem.
> 
> I don't fully understand what Access does behind the scenes, but 
> apparently the underlying queries are somehow combined with the report 
> filters and in some cases that does not work properly.
> 
> I really appreciate all of the help.  I am the "Lone Ranger IT person"
> with no one else onsite to consult with.  Your assistance on this 
> issue and on many prior problems has been outstanding.
> 
> Thanks again,
> Brad
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> ~~
> ~~~
>   
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 11:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Access Report - One field for one Customer is 
> Missing
> 
> All,
> 
> This is one of the strangest things that I have seen for a long time.
> 
> We have a Sales Order report that has been used for several months.
> Recently one of our users pointed out that the Customer Name was not 
> being shown for a specific customer.
> 
> There are 7 fields shown for each customer on the report.  All of the 
> fields are shown for all customers, except one.  For this one 
> customer, only 6 of the 7 fields are shown.
> 
> Here is where things get really interesting...
> 
> When I look at the data from the underlying query, I can see all 7 
> fields for this customer.
> 
> In other words, all of the data is visible in the Report's data source 
> (underlying query), but not all of the data is being shown on the report.
> 
> Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Brad
> 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Oct 11 19:45:04 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 10:45:04 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Report - One field for one Customer is Missing
In-Reply-To: <ECDB3ADC8D5042D5BD5B1F0E0B3CE336@HAL9007>
References: <228370637.15713521.1380313676099.JavaMail.root@cds002>,
	<52589405.8613.4CDE8B51@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<ECDB3ADC8D5042D5BD5B1F0E0B3CE336@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <52589B90.26540.4CFC00B0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

So does running the program  from a batch file which copies a master FE to My Documents 
or whatever and using that clean copy each time.

Or using a separate scratch database with linked temp tables.

There are several options depending on your particular cirumstances.  ( I tend to use the first 
option above in multi user environments.  It has other advantages as well).

-- 
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On 11 Oct 2013 at 17:16, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> Compact on exit works.  But there is that annoying lag between exiting and
> the app actually closing.  
> 
> r
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 5:13 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Report - One field for one Customer is Missing
> 
> But be aware of bloat and come up with some way to handle it.
> 
> On 11 Oct 2013 at 16:55, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> 
> > I've used that work-around myself when faced with a report that's 
> > going to require overly complex queries.  Not your case exactly but I 
> > got the idea of the temp table years ago from this list.  I like the 
> > temp table approach because you can lay out the table with exactly the 
> > fields you want on the report and populate t with data instead of FKs. 
> > Use a bit of code to open a recordset to get the basic data - loop 
> > through it filling the target table and walla!  Report.
> > 
> > Rocky
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> > Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 12:50 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Report - One field for one Customer is 
> > Missing
> > 
> > Rocky, David, Gary, Doug,
> > 
> > Thanks for all of your ideas/insights.
> > 
> > I used every idea as I tried to debug this problem.
> > 
> > One thing that I failed to mention earlier is that the underlying 
> > query is pulling data from several other queries.  In other words it 
> > is complex.  It appears that when the complexity of the queries is 
> > combined with the report (which has sorts and filters), the Access gods
> are angered.
> > 
> > I changed the report's query to be a "Make Table" query and then I 
> > changed the report's data source to this new temporary table.  This 
> > fixed the problem.
> > 
> > I don't fully understand what Access does behind the scenes, but 
> > apparently the underlying queries are somehow combined with the report 
> > filters and in some cases that does not work properly.
> > 
> > I really appreciate all of the help.  I am the "Lone Ranger IT person"
> > with no one else onsite to consult with.  Your assistance on this 
> > issue and on many prior problems has been outstanding.
> > 
> > Thanks again,
> > Brad
> > 
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > ~~
> > ~~~
> >   
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> > Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 11:23 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: [AccessD] Access Report - One field for one Customer is 
> > Missing
> > 
> > All,
> > 
> > This is one of the strangest things that I have seen for a long time.
> > 
> > We have a Sales Order report that has been used for several months.
> > Recently one of our users pointed out that the Customer Name was not 
> > being shown for a specific customer.
> > 
> > There are 7 fields shown for each customer on the report.  All of the 
> > fields are shown for all customers, except one.  For this one 
> > customer, only 6 of the 7 fields are shown.
> > 
> > Here is where things get really interesting...
> > 
> > When I look at the data from the underlying query, I can see all 7 
> > fields for this customer.
> > 
> > In other words, all of the data is visible in the Report's data source 
> > (underlying query), but not all of the data is being shown on the report.
> > 
> > Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Brad
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Oct 11 21:27:23 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 20:27:23 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Access Report - One field for one Customer is Missing
In-Reply-To: <03DE6CFA31CA462C9DC423D6D0B7EB3B@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <682656992.29169779.1381544843908.JavaMail.root@cds002>

That was the way I would do it. 

A too complex of query, no matter how you sliced it, would crash Access good and fast. Access is not built for heavy lifting that is why, in general, a real SQL DB should be at the BE.

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 4:55:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Report - One field for one Customer is Missing

I've used that work-around myself when faced with a report that's going to
require overly complex queries.  Not your case exactly but I got the idea of
the temp table years ago from this list.  I like the temp table approach
because you can lay out the table with exactly the fields you want on the
report and populate t with data instead of FKs. Use a bit of code to open a
recordset to get the basic data - loop through it filling the target table
and walla!  Report.

Rocky



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 12:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Report - One field for one Customer is Missing

Rocky, David, Gary, Doug,

Thanks for all of your ideas/insights.

I used every idea as I tried to debug this problem.

One thing that I failed to mention earlier is that the underlying query is
pulling data from several other queries.  In other words it is complex.  It
appears that when the complexity of the queries is combined with the report
(which has sorts and filters), the Access gods are angered.

I changed the report's query to be a "Make Table" query and then I changed
the report's data source to this new temporary table.  This fixed the
problem.

I don't fully understand what Access does behind the scenes, but apparently
the underlying queries are somehow combined with the report filters and in
some cases that does not work properly.

I really appreciate all of the help.  I am the "Lone Ranger IT person"
with no one else onsite to consult with.  Your assistance on this issue and
on many prior problems has been outstanding.

Thanks again,
Brad 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~
  

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Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 11:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Access Report - One field for one Customer is Missing

All,

This is one of the strangest things that I have seen for a long time.

We have a Sales Order report that has been used for several months.
Recently one of our users pointed out that the Customer Name was not being
shown for a specific customer.  

There are 7 fields shown for each customer on the report.  All of the fields
are shown for all customers, except one.  For this one customer, only 6 of
the 7 fields are shown.

Here is where things get really interesting...

When I look at the data from the underlying query, I can see all 7 fields
for this customer.

In other words, all of the data is visible in the Report's data source
(underlying query), but not all of the data is being shown on the report.

Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,
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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Sat Oct 12 11:34:37 2013
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 09:34:37 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Modifying Replicated Database Using Access 2010
Message-ID: <003201cec768$f1097c60$d31c7520$@cox.net>

Folks,

I know there are some old timers on this list who have worked with Access
Jet Replication. Not to many folks use or even know about replication any
more since it was depreciated starting with the advent of the accdb file
format. In any case I use it where networks are slow or unreliable and it
just works. That is until I tried to maintain an replication system using
Access 2010. 

We have a system that uses replication to allow folks in two different
locations to work with a common database back end. The network is not high
quality, and slow so I used replication to put a back end at each location
and keep them synchronized. Synchronization is done through the Replication
Manager and synchronizer running on a schedule. This has been working great
for the past two years. The system was originally developed and used with
Access 2007 but with the back end in mdb format. So now the client is up to
Access 2010. The client wanted some changes to the back end, entailing some
new tables and new fields added to existing tables. No problem I think. I
went to the site and opened the Replica set design master using Access 2010
and added the new tables with no problem. Then I tried to add the new fields
to existing tables. I could do that in design view but when I tried to save
the changes I get a message 'Operation not supported for this type of
object' message. I banged my head against the wall for a while thinking I
was doing something wrong, then gave up working at the client facility. I
did run the synchronizer before leaving and the new tables propagated
properly to the other managed databases. This part is working.

After returning to my office I thought possibly this is an Access 2010
issue. I fired up a virtual machine with Access 2007 on it and a running
replication system of the same database. In Access 2007 I could open the
design master and add fields to existing tables with no errors and the
changes would save. Is this an Access 2010 issue or is there something else
going on? I'd hate to have to re-install Access 2007 on one of the client
computers to make these changes. I have the same system running on my Access
2010 machine and I can duplicate the 'Operation not supported for this type
of object'  issue using Access 2010 in my office. Any thoughts?

Thanks in advance for your assistance.

Doug

PS. Tried this question on UtterAccess with no reponse.


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Oct 12 11:55:10 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 10:55:10 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Modifying Replicated Database Using Access 2010
In-Reply-To: <003201cec768$f1097c60$d31c7520$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <525744761.29495923.1381596910255.JavaMail.root@cds002>

No wonder.

The tech your using is truly on some edge. It many be difficult to track down the ten other people who have used it recently. I feel your pain...been there doing it but with some other ancient tech.

Maybe you can make the changes in 2007 and just upgrade the results to 2010. It appears, the old replication code still exists in 2010 but the IDE has been crippled or just neglected to point where it no longer functions.

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Murphy" <dw-murphy at cox.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:34:37 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Modifying Replicated Database Using Access 2010

Folks,

I know there are some old timers on this list who have worked with Access
Jet Replication. Not to many folks use or even know about replication any
more since it was depreciated starting with the advent of the accdb file
format. In any case I use it where networks are slow or unreliable and it
just works. That is until I tried to maintain an replication system using
Access 2010. 

We have a system that uses replication to allow folks in two different
locations to work with a common database back end. The network is not high
quality, and slow so I used replication to put a back end at each location
and keep them synchronized. Synchronization is done through the Replication
Manager and synchronizer running on a schedule. This has been working great
for the past two years. The system was originally developed and used with
Access 2007 but with the back end in mdb format. So now the client is up to
Access 2010. The client wanted some changes to the back end, entailing some
new tables and new fields added to existing tables. No problem I think. I
went to the site and opened the Replica set design master using Access 2010
and added the new tables with no problem. Then I tried to add the new fields
to existing tables. I could do that in design view but when I tried to save
the changes I get a message 'Operation not supported for this type of
object' message. I banged my head against the wall for a while thinking I
was doing something wrong, then gave up working at the client facility. I
did run the synchronizer before leaving and the new tables propagated
properly to the other managed databases. This part is working.

After returning to my office I thought possibly this is an Access 2010
issue. I fired up a virtual machine with Access 2007 on it and a running
replication system of the same database. In Access 2007 I could open the
design master and add fields to existing tables with no errors and the
changes would save. Is this an Access 2010 issue or is there something else
going on? I'd hate to have to re-install Access 2007 on one of the client
computers to make these changes. I have the same system running on my Access
2010 machine and I can duplicate the 'Operation not supported for this type
of object'  issue using Access 2010 in my office. Any thoughts?

Thanks in advance for your assistance.

Doug

PS. Tried this question on UtterAccess with no reponse.

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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Sat Oct 12 12:12:02 2013
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 10:12:02 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Modifying Replicated Database Using Access 2010
In-Reply-To: <cGwN1m00a0xgD8Z01GwTQJ>
References: <003201cec768$f1097c60$d31c7520$@cox.net> <cGwN1m00a0xgD8Z01GwTQJ>
Message-ID: <003301cec76e$2b4a1b50$81de51f0$@cox.net>

Hi Jim,

Thanks for your thoughts. There should be no difference when updating mdb
file in 2007 or 2010, the file is still in 2000 - 2003 mdb format. BUT there
does seem to be  a difference. I just verified that I can edit the client
file in 2007. I found that one of the servers still has 2007 installed. Just
remoted in and updated an existing table.

Very slow process as this is an old server, but it does work. Why does MS
feel they have to screw up useful, working features and then add a bunch of
APP/Web stuff that really isn't appropriate for what Access is good at?
Really P.O-ed.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Modifying Replicated Database Using Access 2010

No wonder.

The tech your using is truly on some edge. It many be difficult to track
down the ten other people who have used it recently. I feel your pain...been
there doing it but with some other ancient tech.

Maybe you can make the changes in 2007 and just upgrade the results to 2010.
It appears, the old replication code still exists in 2010 but the IDE has
been crippled or just neglected to point where it no longer functions.

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Murphy" <dw-murphy at cox.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:34:37 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Modifying Replicated Database Using Access 2010

Folks,

I know there are some old timers on this list who have worked with Access
Jet Replication. Not to many folks use or even know about replication any
more since it was depreciated starting with the advent of the accdb file
format. In any case I use it where networks are slow or unreliable and it
just works. That is until I tried to maintain an replication system using
Access 2010. 

We have a system that uses replication to allow folks in two different
locations to work with a common database back end. The network is not high
quality, and slow so I used replication to put a back end at each location
and keep them synchronized. Synchronization is done through the Replication
Manager and synchronizer running on a schedule. This has been working great
for the past two years. The system was originally developed and used with
Access 2007 but with the back end in mdb format. So now the client is up to
Access 2010. The client wanted some changes to the back end, entailing some
new tables and new fields added to existing tables. No problem I think. I
went to the site and opened the Replica set design master using Access 2010
and added the new tables with no problem. Then I tried to add the new fields
to existing tables. I could do that in design view but when I tried to save
the changes I get a message 'Operation not supported for this type of
object' message. I banged my head against the wall for a while thinking I
was doing something wrong, then gave up working at the client facility. I
did run the synchronizer before leaving and the new tables propagated
properly to the other managed databases. This part is working.

After returning to my office I thought possibly this is an Access 2010
issue. I fired up a virtual machine with Access 2007 on it and a running
replication system of the same database. In Access 2007 I could open the
design master and add fields to existing tables with no errors and the
changes would save. Is this an Access 2010 issue or is there something else
going on? I'd hate to have to re-install Access 2007 on one of the client
computers to make these changes. I have the same system running on my Access
2010 machine and I can duplicate the 'Operation not supported for this type
of object'  issue using Access 2010 in my office. Any thoughts?

Thanks in advance for your assistance.

Doug

PS. Tried this question on UtterAccess with no reponse.

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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Sun Oct 13 18:07:46 2013
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 16:07:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Modifying Replicated Database Using Access 2010
In-Reply-To: <003301cec76e$2b4a1b50$81de51f0$@cox.net>
References: <003201cec768$f1097c60$d31c7520$@cox.net>
	<003301cec76e$2b4a1b50$81de51f0$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_xMvKdRP=v=dNqcBNz3sa+Cs_FnTEee++QWT2kvipUgQ@mail.gmail.com>

Because they want you to use SQL Server if you need replication.

Charlotte


On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Doug Murphy <dw-murphy at cox.net> wrote:

> Hi Jim,
>
> Thanks for your thoughts. There should be no difference when updating mdb
> file in 2007 or 2010, the file is still in 2000 - 2003 mdb format. BUT
> there
> does seem to be  a difference. I just verified that I can edit the client
> file in 2007. I found that one of the servers still has 2007 installed.
> Just
> remoted in and updated an existing table.
>
> Very slow process as this is an old server, but it does work. Why does MS
> feel they have to screw up useful, working features and then add a bunch of
> APP/Web stuff that really isn't appropriate for what Access is good at?
> Really P.O-ed.
>
> Doug
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:55 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Modifying Replicated Database Using Access 2010
>
> No wonder.
>
> The tech your using is truly on some edge. It many be difficult to track
> down the ten other people who have used it recently. I feel your
> pain...been
> there doing it but with some other ancient tech.
>
> Maybe you can make the changes in 2007 and just upgrade the results to
> 2010.
> It appears, the old replication code still exists in 2010 but the IDE has
> been crippled or just neglected to point where it no longer functions.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Doug Murphy" <dw-murphy at cox.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:34:37 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] Modifying Replicated Database Using Access 2010
>
> Folks,
>
> I know there are some old timers on this list who have worked with Access
> Jet Replication. Not to many folks use or even know about replication any
> more since it was depreciated starting with the advent of the accdb file
> format. In any case I use it where networks are slow or unreliable and it
> just works. That is until I tried to maintain an replication system using
> Access 2010.
>
> We have a system that uses replication to allow folks in two different
> locations to work with a common database back end. The network is not high
> quality, and slow so I used replication to put a back end at each location
> and keep them synchronized. Synchronization is done through the Replication
> Manager and synchronizer running on a schedule. This has been working great
> for the past two years. The system was originally developed and used with
> Access 2007 but with the back end in mdb format. So now the client is up to
> Access 2010. The client wanted some changes to the back end, entailing some
> new tables and new fields added to existing tables. No problem I think. I
> went to the site and opened the Replica set design master using Access 2010
> and added the new tables with no problem. Then I tried to add the new
> fields
> to existing tables. I could do that in design view but when I tried to save
> the changes I get a message 'Operation not supported for this type of
> object' message. I banged my head against the wall for a while thinking I
> was doing something wrong, then gave up working at the client facility. I
> did run the synchronizer before leaving and the new tables propagated
> properly to the other managed databases. This part is working.
>
> After returning to my office I thought possibly this is an Access 2010
> issue. I fired up a virtual machine with Access 2007 on it and a running
> replication system of the same database. In Access 2007 I could open the
> design master and add fields to existing tables with no errors and the
> changes would save. Is this an Access 2010 issue or is there something else
> going on? I'd hate to have to re-install Access 2007 on one of the client
> computers to make these changes. I have the same system running on my
> Access
> 2010 machine and I can duplicate the 'Operation not supported for this type
> of object'  issue using Access 2010 in my office. Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks in advance for your assistance.
>
> Doug
>
> PS. Tried this question on UtterAccess with no reponse.
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Oct 13 18:16:23 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:16:23 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Modifying Replicated Database Using Access 2010
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met_xMvKdRP=v=dNqcBNz3sa+Cs_FnTEee++QWT2kvipUgQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <003201cec768$f1097c60$d31c7520$@cox.net>,
	<003301cec76e$2b4a1b50$81de51f0$@cox.net>,
	<CAH+Met_xMvKdRP=v=dNqcBNz3sa+Cs_FnTEee++QWT2kvipUgQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <525B29C7.16559.56F764D3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Or Sharepoint.

On 13 Oct 2013 at 16:07, Charlotte Foust wrote:

> Because they want you to use SQL Server if you need replication.
> 
> Charlotte
> 
> 
> On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Doug Murphy <dw-murphy at cox.net>
> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Jim,
> >
> > Thanks for your thoughts. There should be no difference when
> > updating mdb file in 2007 or 2010, the file is still in 2000 - 2003
> > mdb format. BUT there does seem to be  a difference. I just verified
> > that I can edit the client file in 2007. I found that one of the
> > servers still has 2007 installed. Just remoted in and updated an
> > existing table.
> >
> > Very slow process as this is an old server, but it does work. Why
> > does MS feel they have to screw up useful, working features and then
> > add a bunch of APP/Web stuff that really isn't appropriate for what
> > Access is good at? Really P.O-ed.
> >
> > Doug
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> > Lawrence Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:55 AM To: Access
> > Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD]
> > Modifying Replicated Database Using Access 2010
> >
> > No wonder.
> >
> > The tech your using is truly on some edge. It many be difficult to
> > track down the ten other people who have used it recently. I feel
> > your pain...been there doing it but with some other ancient tech.
> >
> > Maybe you can make the changes in 2007 and just upgrade the results
> > to 2010. It appears, the old replication code still exists in 2010
> > but the IDE has been crippled or just neglected to point where it no
> > longer functions.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Doug Murphy" <dw-murphy at cox.net>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:34:37 AM
> > Subject: [AccessD] Modifying Replicated Database Using Access 2010
> >
> > Folks,
> >
> > I know there are some old timers on this list who have worked with
> > Access Jet Replication. Not to many folks use or even know about
> > replication any more since it was depreciated starting with the
> > advent of the accdb file format. In any case I use it where networks
> > are slow or unreliable and it just works. That is until I tried to
> > maintain an replication system using Access 2010.
> >
> > We have a system that uses replication to allow folks in two
> > different locations to work with a common database back end. The
> > network is not high quality, and slow so I used replication to put a
> > back end at each location and keep them synchronized.
> > Synchronization is done through the Replication Manager and
> > synchronizer running on a schedule. This has been working great for
> > the past two years. The system was originally developed and used
> > with Access 2007 but with the back end in mdb format. So now the
> > client is up to Access 2010. The client wanted some changes to the
> > back end, entailing some new tables and new fields added to existing
> > tables. No problem I think. I went to the site and opened the
> > Replica set design master using Access 2010 and added the new tables
> > with no problem. Then I tried to add the new fields to existing
> > tables. I could do that in design view but when I tried to save the
> > changes I get a message 'Operation not supported for this type of
> > object' message. I banged my head against the wall for a while
> > thinking I was doing something wrong, then gave up working at the
> > client facility. I did run the synchronizer before leaving and the
> > new tables propagated properly to the other managed databases. This
> > part is working.
> >
> > After returning to my office I thought possibly this is an Access
> > 2010 issue. I fired up a virtual machine with Access 2007 on it and
> > a running replication system of the same database. In Access 2007 I
> > could open the design master and add fields to existing tables with
> > no errors and the changes would save. Is this an Access 2010 issue
> > or is there something else going on? I'd hate to have to re-install
> > Access 2007 on one of the client computers to make these changes. I
> > have the same system running on my Access 2010 machine and I can
> > duplicate the 'Operation not supported for this type of object' 
> > issue using Access 2010 in my office. Any thoughts?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for your assistance.
> >
> > Doug
> >
> > PS. Tried this question on UtterAccess with no reponse.
> >
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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Sun Oct 13 19:41:00 2013
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 17:41:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Modifying Replicated Database Using Access 2010
In-Reply-To: <cn951m00L0xgD8Z01n97ff>
References: <003201cec768$f1097c60$d31c7520$@cox.net>	<003301cec76e$2b4a1b50$81de51f0$@cox.net>
	<cn951m00L0xgD8Z01n97ff>
Message-ID: <006201cec876$0dc1bda0$294538e0$@cox.net>

Unfortunately this database is used by a non-profit and they don't have the
$ to move to SQL Server. The DB has been in use for probably 10 years and
was started in Access 2000 or 2002. I don't know, I inherited it. We looked
at SQL server before going to replication, but the decision was made on $.
MS seems to  be moving Access away from the nice standalone system that
small businesses love.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 4:08 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Modifying Replicated Database Using Access 2010

Because they want you to use SQL Server if you need replication.

Charlotte


On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Doug Murphy <dw-murphy at cox.net> wrote:

> Hi Jim,
>
> Thanks for your thoughts. There should be no difference when updating 
> mdb file in 2007 or 2010, the file is still in 2000 - 2003 mdb format. 
> BUT there does seem to be  a difference. I just verified that I can 
> edit the client file in 2007. I found that one of the servers still 
> has 2007 installed.
> Just
> remoted in and updated an existing table.
>
> Very slow process as this is an old server, but it does work. Why does 
> MS feel they have to screw up useful, working features and then add a 
> bunch of APP/Web stuff that really isn't appropriate for what Access is
good at?
> Really P.O-ed.
>
> Doug
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim 
> Lawrence
> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:55 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Modifying Replicated Database Using Access 2010
>
> No wonder.
>
> The tech your using is truly on some edge. It many be difficult to 
> track down the ten other people who have used it recently. I feel your 
> pain...been there doing it but with some other ancient tech.
>
> Maybe you can make the changes in 2007 and just upgrade the results to 
> 2010.
> It appears, the old replication code still exists in 2010 but the IDE 
> has been crippled or just neglected to point where it no longer functions.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Doug Murphy" <dw-murphy at cox.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:34:37 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] Modifying Replicated Database Using Access 2010
>
> Folks,
>
> I know there are some old timers on this list who have worked with 
> Access Jet Replication. Not to many folks use or even know about 
> replication any more since it was depreciated starting with the advent 
> of the accdb file format. In any case I use it where networks are slow 
> or unreliable and it just works. That is until I tried to maintain an 
> replication system using Access 2010.
>
> We have a system that uses replication to allow folks in two different 
> locations to work with a common database back end. The network is not 
> high quality, and slow so I used replication to put a back end at each 
> location and keep them synchronized. Synchronization is done through 
> the Replication Manager and synchronizer running on a schedule. This 
> has been working great for the past two years. The system was 
> originally developed and used with Access 2007 but with the back end 
> in mdb format. So now the client is up to Access 2010. The client 
> wanted some changes to the back end, entailing some new tables and new 
> fields added to existing tables. No problem I think. I went to the 
> site and opened the Replica set design master using Access 2010 and 
> added the new tables with no problem. Then I tried to add the new 
> fields to existing tables. I could do that in design view but when I 
> tried to save the changes I get a message 'Operation not supported for 
> this type of object' message. I banged my head against the wall for a 
> while thinking I was doing something wrong, then gave up working at 
> the client facility. I did run the synchronizer before leaving and the 
> new tables propagated properly to the other managed databases. This part
is working.
>
> After returning to my office I thought possibly this is an Access 2010 
> issue. I fired up a virtual machine with Access 2007 on it and a 
> running replication system of the same database. In Access 2007 I 
> could open the design master and add fields to existing tables with no 
> errors and the changes would save. Is this an Access 2010 issue or is 
> there something else going on? I'd hate to have to re-install Access 
> 2007 on one of the client computers to make these changes. I have the 
> same system running on my Access
> 2010 machine and I can duplicate the 'Operation not supported for this 
> type of object'  issue using Access 2010 in my office. Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks in advance for your assistance.
>
> Doug
>
> PS. Tried this question on UtterAccess with no reponse.
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Oct 13 20:32:15 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 19:32:15 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Modifying Replicated Database Using Access 2010
In-Reply-To: <006201cec876$0dc1bda0$294538e0$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <677672356.30217973.1381714335498.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Doug:

Of course there is the open source world?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Murphy" <dw-murphy at cox.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 5:41:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Modifying Replicated Database Using Access 2010

Unfortunately this database is used by a non-profit and they don't have the
$ to move to SQL Server. The DB has been in use for probably 10 years and
was started in Access 2000 or 2002. I don't know, I inherited it. We looked
at SQL server before going to replication, but the decision was made on $.
MS seems to  be moving Access away from the nice standalone system that
small businesses love.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 4:08 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Modifying Replicated Database Using Access 2010

Because they want you to use SQL Server if you need replication.

Charlotte


On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Doug Murphy <dw-murphy at cox.net> wrote:

> Hi Jim,
>
> Thanks for your thoughts. There should be no difference when updating 
> mdb file in 2007 or 2010, the file is still in 2000 - 2003 mdb format. 
> BUT there does seem to be  a difference. I just verified that I can 
> edit the client file in 2007. I found that one of the servers still 
> has 2007 installed.
> Just
> remoted in and updated an existing table.
>
> Very slow process as this is an old server, but it does work. Why does 
> MS feel they have to screw up useful, working features and then add a 
> bunch of APP/Web stuff that really isn't appropriate for what Access is
good at?
> Really P.O-ed.
>
> Doug
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim 
> Lawrence
> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:55 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Modifying Replicated Database Using Access 2010
>
> No wonder.
>
> The tech your using is truly on some edge. It many be difficult to 
> track down the ten other people who have used it recently. I feel your 
> pain...been there doing it but with some other ancient tech.
>
> Maybe you can make the changes in 2007 and just upgrade the results to 
> 2010.
> It appears, the old replication code still exists in 2010 but the IDE 
> has been crippled or just neglected to point where it no longer functions.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Doug Murphy" <dw-murphy at cox.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:34:37 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] Modifying Replicated Database Using Access 2010
>
> Folks,
>
> I know there are some old timers on this list who have worked with 
> Access Jet Replication. Not to many folks use or even know about 
> replication any more since it was depreciated starting with the advent 
> of the accdb file format. In any case I use it where networks are slow 
> or unreliable and it just works. That is until I tried to maintain an 
> replication system using Access 2010.
>
> We have a system that uses replication to allow folks in two different 
> locations to work with a common database back end. The network is not 
> high quality, and slow so I used replication to put a back end at each 
> location and keep them synchronized. Synchronization is done through 
> the Replication Manager and synchronizer running on a schedule. This 
> has been working great for the past two years. The system was 
> originally developed and used with Access 2007 but with the back end 
> in mdb format. So now the client is up to Access 2010. The client 
> wanted some changes to the back end, entailing some new tables and new 
> fields added to existing tables. No problem I think. I went to the 
> site and opened the Replica set design master using Access 2010 and 
> added the new tables with no problem. Then I tried to add the new 
> fields to existing tables. I could do that in design view but when I 
> tried to save the changes I get a message 'Operation not supported for 
> this type of object' message. I banged my head against the wall for a 
> while thinking I was doing something wrong, then gave up working at 
> the client facility. I did run the synchronizer before leaving and the 
> new tables propagated properly to the other managed databases. This part
is working.
>
> After returning to my office I thought possibly this is an Access 2010 
> issue. I fired up a virtual machine with Access 2007 on it and a 
> running replication system of the same database. In Access 2007 I 
> could open the design master and add fields to existing tables with no 
> errors and the changes would save. Is this an Access 2010 issue or is 
> there something else going on? I'd hate to have to re-install Access 
> 2007 on one of the client computers to make these changes. I have the 
> same system running on my Access
> 2010 machine and I can duplicate the 'Operation not supported for this 
> type of object'  issue using Access 2010 in my office. Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks in advance for your assistance.
>
> Doug
>
> PS. Tried this question on UtterAccess with no reponse.
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct 14 03:39:14 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 10:39:14 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Modifying Replicated Database Using Access 2010
Message-ID: <002101cec8b8$dd1854a0$9748fde0$@cactus.dk>

Hi Doug

If you run off an Access database now, the free SQL Server Express should
fit at zero $$.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Doug Murphy
Sendt: 14. oktober 2013 02:41
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Modifying Replicated Database Using Access 2010

Unfortunately this database is used by a non-profit and they don't have the
$ to move to SQL Server. The DB has been in use for probably 10 years and
was started in Access 2000 or 2002. I don't know, I inherited it. We looked
at SQL server before going to replication, but the decision was made on $.
MS seems to  be moving Access away from the nice standalone system that
small businesses love.



From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Oct 14 06:40:15 2013
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 07:40:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Modifying Replicated Database Using Access 2010
In-Reply-To: <006201cec876$0dc1bda0$294538e0$@cox.net>
References: <003201cec768$f1097c60$d31c7520$@cox.net>
	<003301cec76e$2b4a1b50$81de51f0$@cox.net>	<cn951m00L0xgD8Z01n97ff>
	<006201cec876$0dc1bda0$294538e0$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <6FDF48DDB23F4450946E361655A37C0C@XPS>

<<The DB has been in use for probably 10 years and
was started in Access 2000 or 2002. >>

<<MS seems to  be moving Access away from the nice standalone system that
small businesses love.>>

 These have continually been my points to them over the past two years.
There are so many apps out there like this and there's no easy upgrade path.
Web Apps don't bring it to the table, nor does Light Switch. VS has improved
tremendously over the years, much like SQL Server did (which eventually
replaced JET), and is where I believe their thinking is at. The focus with
Access seems to be pushing it back squarely into the end-user/power-user
category.

 I think lot's of Access customers are not going to like Microsoft all that
much in the coming years.  It's to the point where their going to be forced
into re-writing apps that have been in place for 10-15 years simply because
Access no longer functions like it once did. I've said flat out that they
needed good desktop support in Access for the past five years and probably
need it for the next five as well to avoid alienating a lot of customers.

 Their really messing up a good thing and don't seem to care.   Right now
their focus is the web and everything on-line as a service; SharePoint, SQL
Server, Exchange, and Office. 

 Nothing else seems to matter to them anymore.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 08:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Modifying Replicated Database Using Access 2010

Unfortunately this database is used by a non-profit and they don't have the
$ to move to SQL Server. The DB has been in use for probably 10 years and
was started in Access 2000 or 2002. I don't know, I inherited it. We looked
at SQL server before going to replication, but the decision was made on $.
MS seems to  be moving Access away from the nice standalone system that
small businesses love.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 4:08 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Modifying Replicated Database Using Access 2010

Because they want you to use SQL Server if you need replication.

Charlotte


On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Doug Murphy <dw-murphy at cox.net> wrote:

> Hi Jim,
>
> Thanks for your thoughts. There should be no difference when updating 
> mdb file in 2007 or 2010, the file is still in 2000 - 2003 mdb format. 
> BUT there does seem to be  a difference. I just verified that I can 
> edit the client file in 2007. I found that one of the servers still 
> has 2007 installed.
> Just
> remoted in and updated an existing table.
>
> Very slow process as this is an old server, but it does work. Why does 
> MS feel they have to screw up useful, working features and then add a 
> bunch of APP/Web stuff that really isn't appropriate for what Access is
good at?
> Really P.O-ed.
>
> Doug
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim 
> Lawrence
> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:55 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Modifying Replicated Database Using Access 2010
>
> No wonder.
>
> The tech your using is truly on some edge. It many be difficult to 
> track down the ten other people who have used it recently. I feel your 
> pain...been there doing it but with some other ancient tech.
>
> Maybe you can make the changes in 2007 and just upgrade the results to 
> 2010.
> It appears, the old replication code still exists in 2010 but the IDE 
> has been crippled or just neglected to point where it no longer functions.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Doug Murphy" <dw-murphy at cox.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:34:37 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] Modifying Replicated Database Using Access 2010
>
> Folks,
>
> I know there are some old timers on this list who have worked with 
> Access Jet Replication. Not to many folks use or even know about 
> replication any more since it was depreciated starting with the advent 
> of the accdb file format. In any case I use it where networks are slow 
> or unreliable and it just works. That is until I tried to maintain an 
> replication system using Access 2010.
>
> We have a system that uses replication to allow folks in two different 
> locations to work with a common database back end. The network is not 
> high quality, and slow so I used replication to put a back end at each 
> location and keep them synchronized. Synchronization is done through 
> the Replication Manager and synchronizer running on a schedule. This 
> has been working great for the past two years. The system was 
> originally developed and used with Access 2007 but with the back end 
> in mdb format. So now the client is up to Access 2010. The client 
> wanted some changes to the back end, entailing some new tables and new 
> fields added to existing tables. No problem I think. I went to the 
> site and opened the Replica set design master using Access 2010 and 
> added the new tables with no problem. Then I tried to add the new 
> fields to existing tables. I could do that in design view but when I 
> tried to save the changes I get a message 'Operation not supported for 
> this type of object' message. I banged my head against the wall for a 
> while thinking I was doing something wrong, then gave up working at 
> the client facility. I did run the synchronizer before leaving and the 
> new tables propagated properly to the other managed databases. This part
is working.
>
> After returning to my office I thought possibly this is an Access 2010 
> issue. I fired up a virtual machine with Access 2007 on it and a 
> running replication system of the same database. In Access 2007 I 
> could open the design master and add fields to existing tables with no 
> errors and the changes would save. Is this an Access 2010 issue or is 
> there something else going on? I'd hate to have to re-install Access 
> 2007 on one of the client computers to make these changes. I have the 
> same system running on my Access
> 2010 machine and I can duplicate the 'Operation not supported for this 
> type of object'  issue using Access 2010 in my office. Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks in advance for your assistance.
>
> Doug
>
> PS. Tried this question on UtterAccess with no reponse.
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Oct 14 08:50:19 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:50:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Modifying Replicated Database Using Access 2010
In-Reply-To: <6FDF48DDB23F4450946E361655A37C0C@XPS>
References: <003201cec768$f1097c60$d31c7520$@cox.net>
	<003301cec76e$2b4a1b50$81de51f0$@cox.net>
	<006201cec876$0dc1bda0$294538e0$@cox.net>
	<6FDF48DDB23F4450946E361655A37C0C@XPS>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1g-=TndiwDdfYTgHbUgVUc8YWFiFM-V7XVUaoe4vyeuHQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have done several apps using Access as a front end and MySQL as a back
end. It's pretty much dead simple to set up, and I also found a utility
called Access to MySQL that made it absolutely effortless to port the data,
automatically handling the various data-type conversions. Once the data was
moved all that was required was to link to the new BE using ODBC. Best of
all, database size was no longer an issue at all. Plus I still got to use
MZ-Tools. I've done this sort of conversion with both Access XP and 2007
without any problems. I haven't tried it with any more recent versions, but
I see no need to.

Arthur


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Oct 14 11:51:29 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:51:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Back End in the Cloud
Message-ID: <11A416E58B6E4A009247BC57765E97E5@HAL9007>

Dear Lists:
 
Is anyone running an Access back end in the cloud with the front end local
to the desktop or laptop.  It has come up twice recently.
 
If so, what cloud service do you use?  It would seem that the cloud server
would have to be mapped to a logical drive on the local box so you could
navigate to the back end to link up the tables, yes?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

From jwcolby at gmail.com  Mon Oct 14 12:02:28 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 13:02:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Back End in the Cloud
In-Reply-To: <11A416E58B6E4A009247BC57765E97E5@HAL9007>
References: <11A416E58B6E4A009247BC57765E97E5@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <525C23A4.9060801@gmail.com>

Rocky,

If you are talking a literal Access BE, an MDB, then this is a known no-no.  working with an Access 
BE over any slow WAN causes corruption issues.

OTOH directly linking to a SQL Server BE works just fine, if a tad slow sometimes.  Basically the 
link is an ODBC (little green world) and uses a driver which causes a "disconnected recordset" 
environment.  It grabs the data from SQL Server and closes the connection.  The user does whatever 
and then Access/JET opens a connection and updates SQL Server as needed.

You pretty much MUST use a timestamp field in the table.  Jet reads the timestamp field (which isn't 
actually a date / time) when you read the data from the table.  It then checks that the timestamp 
has not changed when it is time to perform updates back to SQL Server.  If the timestamp changes 
then Access informs the programmer / or user that "the original data has changed" kind of thing.

You the programmer has to handle cases where the original data has changed.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 10/14/2013 12:51 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> Dear Lists:
>   
> Is anyone running an Access back end in the cloud with the front end local
> to the desktop or laptop.  It has come up twice recently.
>   
> If so, what cloud service do you use?  It would seem that the cloud server
> would have to be mapped to a logical drive on the local box so you could
> navigate to the back end to link up the tables, yes?
>   
> MTIA
>   
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/>
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>   


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Oct 14 12:26:58 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 10:26:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Back End in the Cloud
In-Reply-To: <525C23A4.9060801@gmail.com>
References: <11A416E58B6E4A009247BC57765E97E5@HAL9007>
	<525C23A4.9060801@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8C3BE2FB62A24B489C2A7DABA6E3E5E4@HAL9007>

Thanks for that John.  Saves me a big problem.

Best,

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 10:02 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Back End in the Cloud

Rocky,

If you are talking a literal Access BE, an MDB, then this is a known no-no.
working with an Access BE over any slow WAN causes corruption issues.

OTOH directly linking to a SQL Server BE works just fine, if a tad slow
sometimes.  Basically the link is an ODBC (little green world) and uses a
driver which causes a "disconnected recordset" 
environment.  It grabs the data from SQL Server and closes the connection.
The user does whatever and then Access/JET opens a connection and updates
SQL Server as needed.

You pretty much MUST use a timestamp field in the table.  Jet reads the
timestamp field (which isn't actually a date / time) when you read the data
from the table.  It then checks that the timestamp has not changed when it
is time to perform updates back to SQL Server.  If the timestamp changes
then Access informs the programmer / or user that "the original data has
changed" kind of thing.

You the programmer has to handle cases where the original data has changed.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 10/14/2013 12:51 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> Dear Lists:
>   
> Is anyone running an Access back end in the cloud with the front end 
> local to the desktop or laptop.  It has come up twice recently.
>   
> If so, what cloud service do you use?  It would seem that the cloud 
> server would have to be mapped to a logical drive on the local box so 
> you could navigate to the back end to link up the tables, yes?
>   
> MTIA
>   
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com 
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Mon Oct 14 13:01:25 2013
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:01:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Back End in the Cloud
In-Reply-To: <d4t61m00S0xgD8Z014t8gC>
References: <d4t61m00S0xgD8Z014t8gC>
Message-ID: <003901cec907$664ba2b0$32e2e810$@cox.net>

Rocky,

I have done this with a SQL Server back end located on an Arvixe Windows
hosting account. Pretty straight forward, but as John says it can be slow.
If this is going to be something other than mostly read and reporting
binding to ADO recordsets seems to be a good route.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 9:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Back End in the Cloud

Dear Lists:
 
Is anyone running an Access back end in the cloud with the front end local
to the desktop or laptop.  It has come up twice recently.
 
If so, what cloud service do you use?  It would seem that the cloud server
would have to be mapped to a logical drive on the local box so you could
navigate to the back end to link up the tables, yes?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
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<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Oct 14 13:10:24 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 12:10:24 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Modifying Replicated Database Using Access 2010
In-Reply-To: <6FDF48DDB23F4450946E361655A37C0C@XPS>
Message-ID: <16005053.30644824.1381774224697.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Jim:

I can find nothing in which to disagree with you. (A few months ago completed a replication application in another language for another DB...a nightmare and a bear to say the least...but it works.)

I would suppose someone could write a piece of code for Access that would produce similar results and just replace the old now unsupported system because there is still a need disconnected databases...

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 4:40:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Modifying Replicated Database Using Access 2010

<<The DB has been in use for probably 10 years and
was started in Access 2000 or 2002. >>

<<MS seems to  be moving Access away from the nice standalone system that
small businesses love.>>

 These have continually been my points to them over the past two years.
There are so many apps out there like this and there's no easy upgrade path.
Web Apps don't bring it to the table, nor does Light Switch. VS has improved
tremendously over the years, much like SQL Server did (which eventually
replaced JET), and is where I believe their thinking is at. The focus with
Access seems to be pushing it back squarely into the end-user/power-user
category.

 I think lot's of Access customers are not going to like Microsoft all that
much in the coming years.  It's to the point where their going to be forced
into re-writing apps that have been in place for 10-15 years simply because
Access no longer functions like it once did. I've said flat out that they
needed good desktop support in Access for the past five years and probably
need it for the next five as well to avoid alienating a lot of customers.

 Their really messing up a good thing and don't seem to care.   Right now
their focus is the web and everything on-line as a service; SharePoint, SQL
Server, Exchange, and Office. 

 Nothing else seems to matter to them anymore.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 08:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Modifying Replicated Database Using Access 2010

Unfortunately this database is used by a non-profit and they don't have the
$ to move to SQL Server. The DB has been in use for probably 10 years and
was started in Access 2000 or 2002. I don't know, I inherited it. We looked
at SQL server before going to replication, but the decision was made on $.
MS seems to  be moving Access away from the nice standalone system that
small businesses love.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 4:08 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Modifying Replicated Database Using Access 2010

Because they want you to use SQL Server if you need replication.

Charlotte


On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Doug Murphy <dw-murphy at cox.net> wrote:

> Hi Jim,
>
> Thanks for your thoughts. There should be no difference when updating 
> mdb file in 2007 or 2010, the file is still in 2000 - 2003 mdb format. 
> BUT there does seem to be  a difference. I just verified that I can 
> edit the client file in 2007. I found that one of the servers still 
> has 2007 installed.
> Just
> remoted in and updated an existing table.
>
> Very slow process as this is an old server, but it does work. Why does 
> MS feel they have to screw up useful, working features and then add a 
> bunch of APP/Web stuff that really isn't appropriate for what Access is
good at?
> Really P.O-ed.
>
> Doug
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim 
> Lawrence
> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:55 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Modifying Replicated Database Using Access 2010
>
> No wonder.
>
> The tech your using is truly on some edge. It many be difficult to 
> track down the ten other people who have used it recently. I feel your 
> pain...been there doing it but with some other ancient tech.
>
> Maybe you can make the changes in 2007 and just upgrade the results to 
> 2010.
> It appears, the old replication code still exists in 2010 but the IDE 
> has been crippled or just neglected to point where it no longer functions.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Doug Murphy" <dw-murphy at cox.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:34:37 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] Modifying Replicated Database Using Access 2010
>
> Folks,
>
> I know there are some old timers on this list who have worked with 
> Access Jet Replication. Not to many folks use or even know about 
> replication any more since it was depreciated starting with the advent 
> of the accdb file format. In any case I use it where networks are slow 
> or unreliable and it just works. That is until I tried to maintain an 
> replication system using Access 2010.
>
> We have a system that uses replication to allow folks in two different 
> locations to work with a common database back end. The network is not 
> high quality, and slow so I used replication to put a back end at each 
> location and keep them synchronized. Synchronization is done through 
> the Replication Manager and synchronizer running on a schedule. This 
> has been working great for the past two years. The system was 
> originally developed and used with Access 2007 but with the back end 
> in mdb format. So now the client is up to Access 2010. The client 
> wanted some changes to the back end, entailing some new tables and new 
> fields added to existing tables. No problem I think. I went to the 
> site and opened the Replica set design master using Access 2010 and 
> added the new tables with no problem. Then I tried to add the new 
> fields to existing tables. I could do that in design view but when I 
> tried to save the changes I get a message 'Operation not supported for 
> this type of object' message. I banged my head against the wall for a 
> while thinking I was doing something wrong, then gave up working at 
> the client facility. I did run the synchronizer before leaving and the 
> new tables propagated properly to the other managed databases. This part
is working.
>
> After returning to my office I thought possibly this is an Access 2010 
> issue. I fired up a virtual machine with Access 2007 on it and a 
> running replication system of the same database. In Access 2007 I 
> could open the design master and add fields to existing tables with no 
> errors and the changes would save. Is this an Access 2010 issue or is 
> there something else going on? I'd hate to have to re-install Access 
> 2007 on one of the client computers to make these changes. I have the 
> same system running on my Access
> 2010 machine and I can duplicate the 'Operation not supported for this 
> type of object'  issue using Access 2010 in my office. Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks in advance for your assistance.
>
> Doug
>
> PS. Tried this question on UtterAccess with no reponse.
>
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Oct 14 13:44:46 2013
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 14:44:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Back End in the Cloud
In-Reply-To: <11A416E58B6E4A009247BC57765E97E5@HAL9007>
References: <11A416E58B6E4A009247BC57765E97E5@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <27BFB747BDA44109B27FA4A1EF2121DF@XPS>

Adding to what else has been said:

1. Some have gone this route:

www.eqldata.com

 Not really a "Cloud" solution, but when most talk about the cloud, more
often then not, their talking about supporting remote users.

2. I've known one developer that tried Azure a few years back and it didn't
work well because of latency issues.  He gave up on it.   From what I've
heard recently, not much has changed.

3. A fellow MVP, Armen Stein, has some good tips here (which I believe I've
posted in the past):

http://www.jstreettech.com/cartgenie/pg_developerDownloads.asp

  for working with a Access FE and SQL BE over a WAN.  Download "Best of
both Worlds".   But in short, the app pretty much needs to be designed from
the start with that in mind.  Everything as much as possible needs to get
pushed server side and your approach to the user interface needs to be
different (no more simply binding a form directly to a table) in order for
it to work well.

 Note sure if it's worth your while or not, but you might want to attend
"Access Day", which is on the last day of the MVP Summit. Access Day
(www.AccessDay.org) is Nov 21 and is being sponsored by Jstreet (Armen's
company).

  There will be sessions by Kevin Bell, Luke Chung, Tom van Stiphout, George
Hepworth, Andy Couch, and Armen.  Their going to cover a mix of Access
client techniques and the new Access web app stuff.  The location is at
Microsoft's offices in The Bravern in Bellevue. Early registration fee is
$99.  If you have questions about the event, send an e-mail to
AccessDay at JStreetTech.com.

Jim.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 12:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Back End in the Cloud

Dear Lists:
 
Is anyone running an Access back end in the cloud with the front end local
to the desktop or laptop.  It has come up twice recently.
 
If so, what cloud service do you use?  It would seem that the cloud server
would have to be mapped to a logical drive on the local box so you could
navigate to the back end to link up the tables, yes?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Oct 14 14:25:08 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 12:25:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Back End in the Cloud
In-Reply-To: <003901cec907$664ba2b0$32e2e810$@cox.net>
References: <d4t61m00S0xgD8Z014t8gC> <003901cec907$664ba2b0$32e2e810$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <00BEE1E69ED74905B6D4CF4856A1979F@HAL9007>

SQL Server yes - but mdb, no?

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 11:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Back End in the Cloud

Rocky,

I have done this with a SQL Server back end located on an Arvixe Windows
hosting account. Pretty straight forward, but as John says it can be slow.
If this is going to be something other than mostly read and reporting
binding to ADO recordsets seems to be a good route.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 9:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Back End in the Cloud

Dear Lists:
 
Is anyone running an Access back end in the cloud with the front end local
to the desktop or laptop.  It has come up twice recently.
 
If so, what cloud service do you use?  It would seem that the cloud server
would have to be mapped to a logical drive on the local box so you could
navigate to the back end to link up the tables, yes?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Mon Oct 14 14:46:10 2013
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 12:46:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Back End in the Cloud
In-Reply-To: <d7S61m00D0xgD8Z017S7dY>
References: <d4t61m00S0xgD8Z014t8gC> <003901cec907$664ba2b0$32e2e810$@cox.net>
	<d7S61m00D0xgD8Z017S7dY>
Message-ID: <006a01cec916$080ac4b0$18204e10$@cox.net>

Mdb - NO! 

There are some articles on the FMS site about using SQL Azure as the back
end for Access FE. I looked at it but given the Azure constraints I just got
a cheap Web hosting account with SQL Server support. You can do all your
back end work through SQL Server Management Studio directly to the web
server.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 12:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Back End in the Cloud

SQL Server yes - but mdb, no?

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 11:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Back End in the Cloud

Rocky,

I have done this with a SQL Server back end located on an Arvixe Windows
hosting account. Pretty straight forward, but as John says it can be slow.
If this is going to be something other than mostly read and reporting
binding to ADO recordsets seems to be a good route.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 9:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Back End in the Cloud

Dear Lists:
 
Is anyone running an Access back end in the cloud with the front end local
to the desktop or laptop.  It has come up twice recently.
 
If so, what cloud service do you use?  It would seem that the cloud server
would have to be mapped to a logical drive on the local box so you could
navigate to the back end to link up the tables, yes?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Oct 14 15:00:25 2013
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:00:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Back End in the Cloud
In-Reply-To: <00BEE1E69ED74905B6D4CF4856A1979F@HAL9007>
References: <d4t61m00S0xgD8Z014t8gC> <003901cec907$664ba2b0$32e2e810$@cox.net>
	<00BEE1E69ED74905B6D4CF4856A1979F@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <4E13F9C72CAD4DCC9885B9C3F901165D@XPS>

Rocky,

  JET DB only over a WAN if you have a very high end WAN.  Basically >40mbs
in speed, and most critical, latency <20-30 ms at most.

  But over the internet in general, absolutely not with a JET DB.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 03:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Back End in the Cloud

SQL Server yes - but mdb, no?

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 11:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Back End in the Cloud

Rocky,

I have done this with a SQL Server back end located on an Arvixe Windows
hosting account. Pretty straight forward, but as John says it can be slow.
If this is going to be something other than mostly read and reporting
binding to ADO recordsets seems to be a good route.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 9:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Back End in the Cloud

Dear Lists:
 
Is anyone running an Access back end in the cloud with the front end local
to the desktop or laptop.  It has come up twice recently.
 
If so, what cloud service do you use?  It would seem that the cloud server
would have to be mapped to a logical drive on the local box so you could
navigate to the back end to link up the tables, yes?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Oct 14 15:45:12 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:45:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Back End in the Cloud
In-Reply-To: <4E13F9C72CAD4DCC9885B9C3F901165D@XPS>
References: <003901cec907$664ba2b0$32e2e810$@cox.net>
	<00BEE1E69ED74905B6D4CF4856A1979F@HAL9007>
	<4E13F9C72CAD4DCC9885B9C3F901165D@XPS>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jymmxL19TdC=QMbHUmHgo7PVZrvD=KcohBCe3W4u=wHA@mail.gmail.com>

I just don't see any point in using an MDB as a back end, and doubly so if
the BE is in the cloud or on a Terminal Services. SQL Server's free edition
or MySQL are both far superior choices, and in either case you get the
additional performance of stored procedures and views.

Arthur


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Oct 14 17:35:45 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 15:35:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Back End in the Cloud
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jymmxL19TdC=QMbHUmHgo7PVZrvD=KcohBCe3W4u=wHA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <003901cec907$664ba2b0$32e2e810$@cox.net><00BEE1E69ED74905B6D4CF4856A1979F@HAL9007><4E13F9C72CAD4DCC9885B9C3F901165D@XPS>
	<CAEPJO1jymmxL19TdC=QMbHUmHgo7PVZrvD=KcohBCe3W4u=wHA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AD11FFB3A07C48B3A523D2FF6DF1EE03@HAL9007>

This is for a commercial product (the one I just divested myself of in
March) aimed at small manufacturers.  So SQL is really to much horse for
that cart.  And requires a level of expertise to maintain that Access
finessed for me. So for that kind of app the mdb BE works really well.

r

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 1:45 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Back End in the Cloud

I just don't see any point in using an MDB as a back end, and doubly so if
the BE is in the cloud or on a Terminal Services. SQL Server's free edition
or MySQL are both far superior choices, and in either case you get the
additional performance of stored procedures and views.

Arthur

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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Mon Oct 14 17:42:22 2013
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 22:42:22 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Modifying Replicated Database Using Access 2010
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1g-=TndiwDdfYTgHbUgVUc8YWFiFM-V7XVUaoe4vyeuHQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <003201cec768$f1097c60$d31c7520$@cox.net>
	<003301cec76e$2b4a1b50$81de51f0$@cox.net>
	<006201cec876$0dc1bda0$294538e0$@cox.net>
	<6FDF48DDB23F4450946E361655A37C0C@XPS>
	<CAEPJO1g-=TndiwDdfYTgHbUgVUc8YWFiFM-V7XVUaoe4vyeuHQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a20fed3cc24445ed8b9b3511a285baf2@SIXPR04MB048.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Access 2010 will hook into MySQL with no issues. I have done that before.  Was easy enough to set up and get working.

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, 15 October 2013 12:50 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Modifying Replicated Database Using Access 2010

I have done several apps using Access as a front end and MySQL as a back end. It's pretty much dead simple to set up, and I also found a utility called Access to MySQL that made it absolutely effortless to port the data, automatically handling the various data-type conversions. Once the data was moved all that was required was to link to the new BE using ODBC. Best of all, database size was no longer an issue at all. Plus I still got to use MZ-Tools. I've done this sort of conversion with both Access XP and 2007 without any problems. I haven't tried it with any more recent versions, but I see no need to.

Arthur

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From dbdoug at gmail.com  Mon Oct 14 21:24:59 2013
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 19:24:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Back End in the Cloud
In-Reply-To: <AD11FFB3A07C48B3A523D2FF6DF1EE03@HAL9007>
References: <003901cec907$664ba2b0$32e2e810$@cox.net>
	<00BEE1E69ED74905B6D4CF4856A1979F@HAL9007>
	<4E13F9C72CAD4DCC9885B9C3F901165D@XPS>
	<CAEPJO1jymmxL19TdC=QMbHUmHgo7PVZrvD=KcohBCe3W4u=wHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<AD11FFB3A07C48B3A523D2FF6DF1EE03@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAFa8Nkij1V6W6tSC74ypDb=tkS7qQ-ueDVw75icjb1-nCaxMEA@mail.gmail.com>

After being more or less forced by one of my clients to set up a SQL server
BE for an Access FE, I am now a convert.  It's faster and more reliable.
 Setup is fussier, and there is definitely a learning curve, but it sure
works!  Two years, not one corrupt BE.

LinkedIn has an 'MS Access with SQL Server' group, with lots of good tips.

Doug


On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> This is for a commercial product (the one I just divested myself of in
> March) aimed at small manufacturers.  So SQL is really to much horse for
> that cart.  And requires a level of expertise to maintain that Access
> finessed for me. So for that kind of app the mdb BE works really well.
>
> r
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 1:45 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Back End in the Cloud
>
> I just don't see any point in using an MDB as a back end, and doubly so if
> the BE is in the cloud or on a Terminal Services. SQL Server's free edition
> or MySQL are both far superior choices, and in either case you get the
> additional performance of stored procedures and views.
>
> Arthur
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Oct 14 22:27:37 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 20:27:37 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Back End in the Cloud
In-Reply-To: <CAFa8Nkij1V6W6tSC74ypDb=tkS7qQ-ueDVw75icjb1-nCaxMEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <003901cec907$664ba2b0$32e2e810$@cox.net><00BEE1E69ED74905B6D4CF4856A1979F@HAL9007><4E13F9C72CAD4DCC9885B9C3F901165D@XPS><CAEPJO1jymmxL19TdC=QMbHUmHgo7PVZrvD=KcohBCe3W4u=wHA@mail.gmail.com><AD11FFB3A07C48B3A523D2FF6DF1EE03@HAL9007>
	<CAFa8Nkij1V6W6tSC74ypDb=tkS7qQ-ueDVw75icjb1-nCaxMEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <97095486DCD64580B59D80191B4B9689@HAL9007>

For a one-off for a client who you can support, I agree.  For a commercial
product like I was flogging, being sold to technologically unsophisticated
users, who didn't want to have to pay monthly for support,  into
uncontrolled configurations, mdb BE was the way to go.

Just a different product environment.

R


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 7:25 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Back End in the Cloud

After being more or less forced by one of my clients to set up a SQL server
BE for an Access FE, I am now a convert.  It's faster and more reliable.
 Setup is fussier, and there is definitely a learning curve, but it sure
works!  Two years, not one corrupt BE.

LinkedIn has an 'MS Access with SQL Server' group, with lots of good tips.

Doug


On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> This is for a commercial product (the one I just divested myself of in
> March) aimed at small manufacturers.  So SQL is really to much horse 
> for that cart.  And requires a level of expertise to maintain that 
> Access finessed for me. So for that kind of app the mdb BE works really
well.
>
> r
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur 
> Fuller
> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 1:45 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Back End in the Cloud
>
> I just don't see any point in using an MDB as a back end, and doubly 
> so if the BE is in the cloud or on a Terminal Services. SQL Server's 
> free edition or MySQL are both far superior choices, and in either 
> case you get the additional performance of stored procedures and views.
>
> Arthur
>
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Oct 15 06:17:08 2013
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 07:17:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Back End in the Cloud
In-Reply-To: <97095486DCD64580B59D80191B4B9689@HAL9007>
References: <003901cec907$664ba2b0$32e2e810$@cox.net><00BEE1E69ED74905B6D4CF4856A1979F@HAL9007><4E13F9C72CAD4DCC9885B9C3F901165D@XPS><CAEPJO1jymmxL19TdC=QMbHUmHgo7PVZrvD=KcohBCe3W4u=wHA@mail.gmail.com><AD11FFB3A07C48B3A523D2FF6DF1EE03@HAL9007>
	<CAFa8Nkij1V6W6tSC74ypDb=tkS7qQ-ueDVw75icjb1-nCaxMEA@mail.gmail.com>
	<97095486DCD64580B59D80191B4B9689@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <089C6AD5AFC54AA589856E946A1D11C8@XPS>

Rocky,

<< mdb BE was the way to go.>>

 That time has come and gone though.

 SQL Server has changed quite a bit over the years.  SQL is now pretty much
self tuning and installs easily.  The only real chore is setting up backup
and maintenance jobs. Many products now bundle the express edition along
with their installs and often include a front end to manage the admin
maintenance.

 You really need to re-visit it.

 JET/ACE had a bigger niche in years past, but that niche is now very small.
The cases where it makes sense to use it are few and far between.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 11:28 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Back End in the Cloud

For a one-off for a client who you can support, I agree.  For a commercial
product like I was flogging, being sold to technologically unsophisticated
users, who didn't want to have to pay monthly for support,  into
uncontrolled configurations, mdb BE was the way to go.

Just a different product environment.

R


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 7:25 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Back End in the Cloud

After being more or less forced by one of my clients to set up a SQL server
BE for an Access FE, I am now a convert.  It's faster and more reliable.
 Setup is fussier, and there is definitely a learning curve, but it sure
works!  Two years, not one corrupt BE.

LinkedIn has an 'MS Access with SQL Server' group, with lots of good tips.

Doug


On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> This is for a commercial product (the one I just divested myself of in
> March) aimed at small manufacturers.  So SQL is really to much horse 
> for that cart.  And requires a level of expertise to maintain that 
> Access finessed for me. So for that kind of app the mdb BE works really
well.
>
> r
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur 
> Fuller
> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 1:45 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Back End in the Cloud
>
> I just don't see any point in using an MDB as a back end, and doubly 
> so if the BE is in the cloud or on a Terminal Services. SQL Server's 
> free edition or MySQL are both far superior choices, and in either 
> case you get the additional performance of stored procedures and views.
>
> Arthur
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Oct 15 08:12:36 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 06:12:36 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Back End in the Cloud
In-Reply-To: <089C6AD5AFC54AA589856E946A1D11C8@XPS>
References: <003901cec907$664ba2b0$32e2e810$@cox.net><00BEE1E69ED74905B6D4CF4856A1979F@HAL9007><4E13F9C72CAD4DCC9885B9C3F901165D@XPS><CAEPJO1jymmxL19TdC=QMbHUmHgo7PVZrvD=KcohBCe3W4u=wHA@mail.gmail.com><AD11FFB3A07C48B3A523D2FF6DF1EE03@HAL9007><CAFa8Nkij1V6W6tSC74ypDb=tkS7qQ-ueDVw75icjb1-nCaxMEA@mail.gmail.com><97095486DCD64580B59D80191B4B9689@HAL9007>
	<089C6AD5AFC54AA589856E946A1D11C8@XPS>
Message-ID: <64A0A14D2EED48E7A53BBEF25DEE5D58@HAL9007>

I'll check it out if the guy who owns E-Z-MRP now wants it.  I'm out of the
loop pretty much any more.

R


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 4:17 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Back End in the Cloud

Rocky,

<< mdb BE was the way to go.>>

 That time has come and gone though.

 SQL Server has changed quite a bit over the years.  SQL is now pretty much
self tuning and installs easily.  The only real chore is setting up backup
and maintenance jobs. Many products now bundle the express edition along
with their installs and often include a front end to manage the admin
maintenance.

 You really need to re-visit it.

 JET/ACE had a bigger niche in years past, but that niche is now very small.
The cases where it makes sense to use it are few and far between.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 11:28 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Back End in the Cloud

For a one-off for a client who you can support, I agree.  For a commercial
product like I was flogging, being sold to technologically unsophisticated
users, who didn't want to have to pay monthly for support,  into
uncontrolled configurations, mdb BE was the way to go.

Just a different product environment.

R


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 7:25 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Back End in the Cloud

After being more or less forced by one of my clients to set up a SQL server
BE for an Access FE, I am now a convert.  It's faster and more reliable.
 Setup is fussier, and there is definitely a learning curve, but it sure
works!  Two years, not one corrupt BE.

LinkedIn has an 'MS Access with SQL Server' group, with lots of good tips.

Doug


On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> This is for a commercial product (the one I just divested myself of in
> March) aimed at small manufacturers.  So SQL is really to much horse 
> for that cart.  And requires a level of expertise to maintain that 
> Access finessed for me. So for that kind of app the mdb BE works 
> really
well.
>
> r
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur 
> Fuller
> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 1:45 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Back End in the Cloud
>
> I just don't see any point in using an MDB as a back end, and doubly 
> so if the BE is in the cloud or on a Terminal Services. SQL Server's 
> free edition or MySQL are both far superior choices, and in either 
> case you get the additional performance of stored procedures and views.
>
> Arthur
>
> --
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Wed Oct 16 07:45:29 2013
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 08:45:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Interesting VBA problem
In-Reply-To: <a20fed3cc24445ed8b9b3511a285baf2@SIXPR04MB048.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <003201cec768$f1097c60$d31c7520$@cox.net>
	<003301cec76e$2b4a1b50$81de51f0$@cox.net>
	<006201cec876$0dc1bda0$294538e0$@cox.net>
	<6FDF48DDB23F4450946E361655A37C0C@XPS>
	<CAEPJO1g-=TndiwDdfYTgHbUgVUc8YWFiFM-V7XVUaoe4vyeuHQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<a20fed3cc24445ed8b9b3511a285baf2@SIXPR04MB048.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <018101ceca6d$9982b850$cc8828f0$@net>

I've got an AC2010 app that must use late-binding.
I'm an instantiating an Outlook session.
However, I need to reference a SyncObject WithEvents.
However, what do I Dim it as ?
Private oSync WithEvents as Outlook.SyncObject

Tried Private oSync WithEvents as EventObject
By the compiler complained !

Dim oSync as Access.CustomControl

That worked, but the call back will probably fail, correct ?

Someone said it might work if I:
Set oSync = CreateObject("Outlook.SyncObject")




From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Wed Oct 16 08:00:24 2013
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:00:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Interesting VBA problem
In-Reply-To: <018101ceca6d$9982b850$cc8828f0$@net>
References: <003201cec768$f1097c60$d31c7520$@cox.net>
	<003301cec76e$2b4a1b50$81de51f0$@cox.net>
	<006201cec876$0dc1bda0$294538e0$@cox.net>
	<6FDF48DDB23F4450946E361655A37C0C@XPS>
	<CAEPJO1g-=TndiwDdfYTgHbUgVUc8YWFiFM-V7XVUaoe4vyeuHQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<a20fed3cc24445ed8b9b3511a285baf2@SIXPR04MB048.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<018101ceca6d$9982b850$cc8828f0$@net>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAtCT0rBtaUQvJLYmyZi7eTJhMhqXDNGAua_H+D2LzaDxg@mail.gmail.com>

Mark,

I don;'t do much with 2010 and haven't worked at all with Outlook and Sync
Object. But, I'm sitting here and googled looking for examples. I found
thid link, which you may have seen already. Any, hoping this is useful.
Jack
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff865672%28v=office.14%29.aspx


On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:45 AM, Mark Simms <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> I've got an AC2010 app that must use late-binding.
> I'm an instantiating an Outlook session.
> However, I need to reference a SyncObject WithEvents.
> However, what do I Dim it as ?
> Private oSync WithEvents as Outlook.SyncObject
>
> Tried Private oSync WithEvents as EventObject
> By the compiler complained !
>
> Dim oSync as Access.CustomControl
>
> That worked, but the call back will probably fail, correct ?
>
> Someone said it might work if I:
> Set oSync = CreateObject("Outlook.SyncObject")
>
>
>
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Oct 16 08:23:51 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:23:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Interesting VBA problem
In-Reply-To: <018101ceca6d$9982b850$cc8828f0$@net>
References: <003201cec768$f1097c60$d31c7520$@cox.net>	<003301cec76e$2b4a1b50$81de51f0$@cox.net>	<006201cec876$0dc1bda0$294538e0$@cox.net>	<6FDF48DDB23F4450946E361655A37C0C@XPS>	<CAEPJO1g-=TndiwDdfYTgHbUgVUc8YWFiFM-V7XVUaoe4vyeuHQ@mail.gmail.com>	<a20fed3cc24445ed8b9b3511a285baf2@SIXPR04MB048.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<018101ceca6d$9982b850$cc8828f0$@net>
Message-ID: <525E9367.6010309@gmail.com>

Mark,

>>Dim oSync as Access.CustomControl

The problem is that you missed the Withevents keyword. Withevents notifies the compiler that this class will be sinking events for the dimensioned object.  My guess is that as soon as you add Withevents to the dimension statement the compiler will complain that it can't sink events for that object.  Or, if Access.CustomControl actually has events you can sync, you will not have the specific event that you want to sink.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 10/16/2013 8:45 AM, Mark Simms wrote:
> I've got an AC2010 app that must use late-binding.
> I'm an instantiating an Outlook session.
> However, I need to reference a SyncObject WithEvents.
> However, what do I Dim it as ?
> Private oSync WithEvents as Outlook.SyncObject
>
> Tried Private oSync WithEvents as EventObject
> By the compiler complained !
>
> Dim oSync as Access.CustomControl
>
> That worked, but the call back will probably fail, correct ?
>
> Someone said it might work if I:
> Set oSync = CreateObject("Outlook.SyncObject")
>
>
>


From marksimms at verizon.net  Wed Oct 16 09:08:56 2013
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 10:08:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Interesting VBA problem
In-Reply-To: <525E9367.6010309@gmail.com>
References: <003201cec768$f1097c60$d31c7520$@cox.net>
	<003301cec76e$2b4a1b50$81de51f0$@cox.net>
	<006201cec876$0dc1bda0$294538e0$@cox.net>
	<6FDF48DDB23F4450946E361655A37C0C@XPS>
	<CAEPJO1g-=TndiwDdfYTgHbUgVUc8YWFiFM-V7XVUaoe4vyeuHQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<a20fed3cc24445ed8b9b3511a285baf2@SIXPR04MB048.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<018101ceca6d$9982b850$cc8828f0$@net> <525E9367.6010309@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01b801ceca79$41350390$c39f0ab0$@net>

That was a type-o....WithEvents was there.



From marksimms at verizon.net  Wed Oct 16 09:11:19 2013
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 10:11:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Interesting VBA problem
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAtCT0rBtaUQvJLYmyZi7eTJhMhqXDNGAua_H+D2LzaDxg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <003201cec768$f1097c60$d31c7520$@cox.net>
	<003301cec76e$2b4a1b50$81de51f0$@cox.net>
	<006201cec876$0dc1bda0$294538e0$@cox.net>
	<6FDF48DDB23F4450946E361655A37C0C@XPS>
	<CAEPJO1g-=TndiwDdfYTgHbUgVUc8YWFiFM-V7XVUaoe4vyeuHQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<a20fed3cc24445ed8b9b3511a285baf2@SIXPR04MB048.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<018101ceca6d$9982b850$cc8828f0$@net>
	<CAKvidAtCT0rBtaUQvJLYmyZi7eTJhMhqXDNGAua_H+D2LzaDxg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01b901ceca79$973bb810$c5b32830$@net>

That doesn't help me at all. It works fine with early binding.
How to code for late binding when Object and EventObject won't work
WithEvents.

Right now I'm masquerading the object as a access.customcontrol, but I don't
think that's gonna work.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack drawbridge
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 9:00 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interesting VBA problem
>
> Mark,
>
> I don;'t do much with 2010 and haven't worked at all with Outlook and
> Sync
> Object. But, I'm sitting here and googled looking for examples. I found
> thid link, which you may have seen already. Any, hoping this is useful.
> Jack
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff865672%28v=office.14%29.aspx
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:45 AM, Mark Simms <marksimms at verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> > I've got an AC2010 app that must use late-binding.
> > I'm an instantiating an Outlook session.
> > However, I need to reference a SyncObject WithEvents.
> > However, what do I Dim it as ?
> > Private oSync WithEvents as Outlook.SyncObject
> >
> > Tried Private oSync WithEvents as EventObject
> > By the compiler complained !
> >
> > Dim oSync as Access.CustomControl
> >
> > That worked, but the call back will probably fail, correct ?
> >
> > Someone said it might work if I:
> > Set oSync = CreateObject("Outlook.SyncObject")
> >
> >
> >
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Oct 16 09:17:50 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 10:17:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Interesting VBA problem
In-Reply-To: <01b801ceca79$41350390$c39f0ab0$@net>
References: <003201cec768$f1097c60$d31c7520$@cox.net>	<003301cec76e$2b4a1b50$81de51f0$@cox.net>	<006201cec876$0dc1bda0$294538e0$@cox.net>	<6FDF48DDB23F4450946E361655A37C0C@XPS>	<CAEPJO1g-=TndiwDdfYTgHbUgVUc8YWFiFM-V7XVUaoe4vyeuHQ@mail.gmail.com>	<a20fed3cc24445ed8b9b3511a285baf2@SIXPR04MB048.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>	<018101ceca6d$9982b850$cc8828f0$@net>
	<525E9367.6010309@gmail.com> <01b801ceca79$41350390$c39f0ab0$@net>
Message-ID: <525EA00E.8070207@gmail.com>

So you can dim it withevents?  Does it have the specific event that you want to sink?  Normally you 
drop down the combo at the top of the code box to select an event that you want to build a handler 
for that event.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 10/16/2013 10:08 AM, Mark Simms wrote:
> That was a type-o....WithEvents was there.
>
>


From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 16 09:58:30 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 16:58:30 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Interesting VBA problem
Message-ID: <005c01ceca80$2da955e0$88fc01a0$@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark

    Dim oSync As Object

?

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Mark Simms
Sendt: 16. oktober 2013 14:45
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: [AccessD] Interesting VBA problem

I've got an AC2010 app that must use late-binding.
I'm an instantiating an Outlook session.
However, I need to reference a SyncObject WithEvents.
However, what do I Dim it as ?
Private oSync WithEvents as Outlook.SyncObject

Tried Private oSync WithEvents as EventObject By the compiler complained !

Dim oSync as Access.CustomControl

That worked, but the call back will probably fail, correct ?

Someone said it might work if I:
Set oSync = CreateObject("Outlook.SyncObject") 



From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Oct 16 10:11:30 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:11:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Interesting VBA problem
In-Reply-To: <005c01ceca80$2da955e0$88fc01a0$@cactus.dk>
References: <005c01ceca80$2da955e0$88fc01a0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <525EACA2.70901@gmail.com>

Gustav,

But objects cannot be dimensioned withevents.

It seems that Mark wants late binding but withevents... Withevents requires early binding

I found this:

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12305736/late-binding-events

Which discusses simply referencing the oldest possible version of the object (outlook in this case) 
that will ever be encountered. I have no idea whether this will actually work or not.

It also means that you have to have that oldest version installed and we all know that outlook in 
particular wants to uninstall the older versions before installing later versions.  Issues like that.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 10/16/2013 10:58 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi Mark
>
>      Dim oSync As Object
>
> ?
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Mark Simms
> Sendt: 16. oktober 2013 14:45
> Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Emne: [AccessD] Interesting VBA problem
>
> I've got an AC2010 app that must use late-binding.
> I'm an instantiating an Outlook session.
> However, I need to reference a SyncObject WithEvents.
> However, what do I Dim it as ?
> Private oSync WithEvents as Outlook.SyncObject
>
> Tried Private oSync WithEvents as EventObject By the compiler complained !
>
> Dim oSync as Access.CustomControl
>
> That worked, but the call back will probably fail, correct ?
>
> Someone said it might work if I:
> Set oSync = CreateObject("Outlook.SyncObject")
>
>


From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 16 10:36:35 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:36:35 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Interesting VBA problem
Message-ID: <007601ceca85$7f746a40$7e5d3ec0$@cactus.dk>

Hi John and Mark

Oh, I missed that detail.

The method applying a reference to the oldest acceptable version should
work. 
If not, you could create a loop that tries to reference from the newest
version and down until success. It should be enough to test for the Major
version of the reference.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John W Colby
Sendt: 16. oktober 2013 17:12
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Interesting VBA problem

Gustav,

But objects cannot be dimensioned withevents.

It seems that Mark wants late binding but withevents... Withevents requires
early binding

I found this:

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12305736/late-binding-events

Which discusses simply referencing the oldest possible version of the object
(outlook in this case) that will ever be encountered. I have no idea whether
this will actually work or not.

It also means that you have to have that oldest version installed and we all
know that outlook in particular wants to uninstall the older versions before
installing later versions.  Issues like that.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 10/16/2013 10:58 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi Mark
>
>      Dim oSync As Object
>
> ?
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Mark Simms
> Sendt: 16. oktober 2013 14:45
> Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Emne: [AccessD] Interesting VBA problem
>
> I've got an AC2010 app that must use late-binding.
> I'm an instantiating an Outlook session.
> However, I need to reference a SyncObject WithEvents.
> However, what do I Dim it as ?
> Private oSync WithEvents as Outlook.SyncObject
>
> Tried Private oSync WithEvents as EventObject By the compiler complained !
>
> Dim oSync as Access.CustomControl
>
> That worked, but the call back will probably fail, correct ?
>
> Someone said it might work if I:
> Set oSync = CreateObject("Outlook.SyncObject")
 




From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Oct 17 20:00:31 2013
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 21:00:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Interesting VBA problem
In-Reply-To: <007601ceca85$7f746a40$7e5d3ec0$@cactus.dk>
References: <007601ceca85$7f746a40$7e5d3ec0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <002501cecb9d$71f41a50$55dc4ef0$@net>

Unbelieveably I discovered it is IMPOSSIBLE to do.
However, it can be done if you "wrap" the calls with the old WSH library
(Windows Script Host)....that was built back in the days of VB6 (1999-2000).

Why on earth they never provided the same ability to dynamically name event
call backs in VB6 or VBA is baffling at best. It's another MSFT gaff I
believe. It's interesting to see that only now Bill Gates in some of his
interviews talks about all of the mistakes Microsoft made over the years.

Finally, I determined I don't really need the callback.
After I send the message, previously Outlook would close before it got out
of the outbox.
So now I place a call to Sleep 500 in a loop (5 times).
Worked a treat....call back needed no more.
I agree however that the callback is much safer and more reliable.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 11:37 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interesting VBA problem
>
> Hi John and Mark
>
> Oh, I missed that detail.
>
> The method applying a reference to the oldest acceptable version should
> work.
> If not, you could create a loop that tries to reference from the newest
> version and down until success. It should be enough to test for the
> Major
> version of the reference.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John W Colby
> Sendt: 16. oktober 2013 17:12
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Interesting VBA problem
>
> Gustav,
>
> But objects cannot be dimensioned withevents.
>
> It seems that Mark wants late binding but withevents... Withevents
> requires
> early binding
>
> I found this:
>
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12305736/late-binding-events
>
> Which discusses simply referencing the oldest possible version of the
> object
> (outlook in this case) that will ever be encountered. I have no idea
> whether
> this will actually work or not.
>
> It also means that you have to have that oldest version installed and
> we all
> know that outlook in particular wants to uninstall the older versions
> before
> installing later versions.  Issues like that.
>
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 10/16/2013 10:58 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> > Hi Mark
> >
> >      Dim oSync As Object
> >
> > ?
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Mark Simms
> > Sendt: 16. oktober 2013 14:45
> > Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Emne: [AccessD] Interesting VBA problem
> >
> > I've got an AC2010 app that must use late-binding.
> > I'm an instantiating an Outlook session.
> > However, I need to reference a SyncObject WithEvents.
> > However, what do I Dim it as ?
> > Private oSync WithEvents as Outlook.SyncObject
> >
> > Tried Private oSync WithEvents as EventObject By the compiler
> complained !
> >
> > Dim oSync as Access.CustomControl
> >
> > That worked, but the call back will probably fail, correct ?
> >
> > Someone said it might work if I:
> > Set oSync = CreateObject("Outlook.SyncObject")
>
>
>
>
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Oct 19 22:56:30 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 23:56:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: Custom Ribbons and Custom Navigation Panes
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1i6=Zxeo70FW1GQcjaG4p1oc_CUYirQv7ZEhooB2b=r9g@mail.gmail.com>

I'm curious as to how many of you Access developers have used either custom
ribbons or custom navigation panes in apps you've developed since these
features appeared in Access 2007.

To get a better idea of the big picture, it would help if you'd vote Yes or
No. Then I could do a count.

As for me, I have to answer No to both categories.

-- 
Arthur

From lmrazek at lcm-res.com  Sat Oct 19 23:45:00 2013
From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com (Lawrence Mrazek)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 23:45:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: Custom Ribbons and Custom Navigation Panes
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1i6=Zxeo70FW1GQcjaG4p1oc_CUYirQv7ZEhooB2b=r9g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1i6=Zxeo70FW1GQcjaG4p1oc_CUYirQv7ZEhooB2b=r9g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAiUzaSrw87L2RmTAQw1rDcOTVf1X7NyxhgQws-McDFrybbwxw@mail.gmail.com>

Yes (specifically to support runtime users).

Larry
lmrazek at lcm-res.com


On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> I'm curious as to how many of you Access developers have used either custom
> ribbons or custom navigation panes in apps you've developed since these
> features appeared in Access 2007.
>
> To get a better idea of the big picture, it would help if you'd vote Yes or
> No. Then I could do a count.
>
> As for me, I have to answer No to both categories.
>
> --
> Arthur
> --
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Larry Mrazek
lmrazek at lcm-res.com

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Sun Oct 20 00:57:27 2013
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 22:57:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: Custom Ribbons and Custom Navigation Panes
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1i6=Zxeo70FW1GQcjaG4p1oc_CUYirQv7ZEhooB2b=r9g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1i6=Zxeo70FW1GQcjaG4p1oc_CUYirQv7ZEhooB2b=r9g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_zE3ogYh2kq3hJbSnftOe45S86bNoX5MPdZFwh_d_4iw@mail.gmail.com>

I have to say that I haven't used them, mainly because I build applications
that operate from the interface and I put buttons for the actions I need on
the forms themselves.  While I use the ribbons myself, I'm not thrilled
with them as a menu replacement.

Charlotte


On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 8:56 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> I'm curious as to how many of you Access developers have used either custom
> ribbons or custom navigation panes in apps you've developed since these
> features appeared in Access 2007.
>
> To get a better idea of the big picture, it would help if you'd vote Yes or
> No. Then I could do a count.
>
> As for me, I have to answer No to both categories.
>
> --
> Arthur
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Oct 20 05:01:26 2013
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 12:01:26 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: Custom Ribbons and Custom Navigation Panes
Message-ID: <s263c637.006@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

Yes
No

/gustav

>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 20-10-13 5:56 >>>
I'm curious as to how many of you Access developers have used either custom
ribbons or custom navigation panes in apps you've developed since these
features appeared in Access 2007.

To get a better idea of the big picture, it would help if you'd vote Yes or
No. Then I could do a count.

As for me, I have to answer No to both categories.

-- 
Arthur



From jimdettman at verizon.net  Sun Oct 20 06:03:45 2013
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 07:03:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: Custom Ribbons and Custom Navigation Panes
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1i6=Zxeo70FW1GQcjaG4p1oc_CUYirQv7ZEhooB2b=r9g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1i6=Zxeo70FW1GQcjaG4p1oc_CUYirQv7ZEhooB2b=r9g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <21DE556A77DC478A8B772313EB457A0E@XPS>


 No and No.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 11:56 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: Custom Ribbons and Custom Navigation Panes

I'm curious as to how many of you Access developers have used either custom
ribbons or custom navigation panes in apps you've developed since these
features appeared in Access 2007.

To get a better idea of the big picture, it would help if you'd vote Yes or
No. Then I could do a count.

As for me, I have to answer No to both categories.

-- 
Arthur
-- 
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Sun Oct 20 06:06:21 2013
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 07:06:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: Custom Ribbons and Custom Navigation Panes
In-Reply-To: <21DE556A77DC478A8B772313EB457A0E@XPS>
References: <CAEPJO1i6=Zxeo70FW1GQcjaG4p1oc_CUYirQv7ZEhooB2b=r9g@mail.gmail.com>
	<21DE556A77DC478A8B772313EB457A0E@XPS>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAuHr1qHUCNCjBaRzU5C6JoEpJchGrW1HtrPhAtZewpGow@mail.gmail.com>

No
No


On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 7:03 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>  No and No.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 11:56 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Poll: Custom Ribbons and Custom Navigation Panes
>
> I'm curious as to how many of you Access developers have used either custom
> ribbons or custom navigation panes in apps you've developed since these
> features appeared in Access 2007.
>
> To get a better idea of the big picture, it would help if you'd vote Yes or
> No. Then I could do a count.
>
> As for me, I have to answer No to both categories.
>
> --
> Arthur
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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>

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Oct 20 06:17:49 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 21:17:49 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: Custom Ribbons and Custom Navigation Panes
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met_zE3ogYh2kq3hJbSnftOe45S86bNoX5MPdZFwh_d_4iw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1i6=Zxeo70FW1GQcjaG4p1oc_CUYirQv7ZEhooB2b=r9g@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAH+Met_zE3ogYh2kq3hJbSnftOe45S86bNoX5MPdZFwh_d_4iw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5263BBDD.26736.787218C6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Me too - so No and No. 

On 19 Oct 2013 at 22:57, Charlotte Foust wrote:

> I have to say that I haven't used them, mainly because I build
> applications that operate from the interface and I put buttons for the
> actions I need on the forms themselves.  While I use the ribbons
> myself, I'm not thrilled with them as a menu replacement.
> 
> Charlotte
> 
> 
> On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 8:56 PM, Arthur Fuller
> <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:
> 
> > I'm curious as to how many of you Access developers have used either
> > custom ribbons or custom navigation panes in apps you've developed
> > since these features appeared in Access 2007.
> >
> > To get a better idea of the big picture, it would help if you'd vote
> > Yes or No. Then I could do a count.
> >
> > As for me, I have to answer No to both categories.
> >
> > --
> > Arthur
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Oct 20 10:10:42 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 08:10:42 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: Custom Ribbons and Custom Navigation Panes
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1i6=Zxeo70FW1GQcjaG4p1oc_CUYirQv7ZEhooB2b=r9g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1i6=Zxeo70FW1GQcjaG4p1oc_CUYirQv7ZEhooB2b=r9g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DD59417DEFD64A7D9E6B849C2FE2ACAC@HAL9007>

No on both counts for me.  But I'm still developing in 2003. But no custom
toolbars save one - a close button for reports in preview.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 8:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: Custom Ribbons and Custom Navigation Panes

I'm curious as to how many of you Access developers have used either custom
ribbons or custom navigation panes in apps you've developed since these
features appeared in Access 2007.

To get a better idea of the big picture, it would help if you'd vote Yes or
No. Then I could do a count.

As for me, I have to answer No to both categories.

--
Arthur
--
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From jm.hwsn at gmail.com  Sun Oct 20 11:25:58 2013
From: jm.hwsn at gmail.com (jm.hwsn)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 11:25:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: Custom Ribbons and Custom Navigation Panes
In-Reply-To: <DD59417DEFD64A7D9E6B849C2FE2ACAC@HAL9007>
References: <CAEPJO1i6=Zxeo70FW1GQcjaG4p1oc_CUYirQv7ZEhooB2b=r9g@mail.gmail.com>
	<DD59417DEFD64A7D9E6B849C2FE2ACAC@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <881C9384821146E7BB0FC1593D89A245@HomePC>

Yes - ribbons
No - Navigation pane

Jim

-----Original Message----- 
From: Rocky Smolin 
Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 10:10 AM 
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll: Custom Ribbons and Custom Navigation Panes 

No on both counts for me.  But I'm still developing in 2003. But no custom
toolbars save one - a close button for reports in preview.

R


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 8:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: Custom Ribbons and Custom Navigation Panes

I'm curious as to how many of you Access developers have used either custom
ribbons or custom navigation panes in apps you've developed since these
features appeared in Access 2007.

To get a better idea of the big picture, it would help if you'd vote Yes or
No. Then I could do a count.

As for me, I have to answer No to both categories.

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From df.waters at comcast.net  Sun Oct 20 12:03:35 2013
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 12:03:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: Custom Ribbons and Custom Navigation Panes
In-Reply-To: <881C9384821146E7BB0FC1593D89A245@HomePC>
References: <CAEPJO1i6=Zxeo70FW1GQcjaG4p1oc_CUYirQv7ZEhooB2b=r9g@mail.gmail.com>	<DD59417DEFD64A7D9E6B849C2FE2ACAC@HAL9007>
	<881C9384821146E7BB0FC1593D89A245@HomePC>
Message-ID: <001001cecdb6$51050af0$f30f20d0$@comcast.net>

No and No.

In Access 2003 I did use a few custom toolbars.  One was to close a report
that was in Print Preview, the others were context sensitive shortcut
menubars.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jm.hwsn
Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 11:26 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll: Custom Ribbons and Custom Navigation Panes

Yes - ribbons
No - Navigation pane

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 10:10 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll: Custom Ribbons and Custom Navigation Panes 

No on both counts for me.  But I'm still developing in 2003. But no custom
toolbars save one - a close button for reports in preview.

R


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 8:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: Custom Ribbons and Custom Navigation Panes

I'm curious as to how many of you Access developers have used either custom
ribbons or custom navigation panes in apps you've developed since these
features appeared in Access 2007.

To get a better idea of the big picture, it would help if you'd vote Yes or
No. Then I could do a count.

As for me, I have to answer No to both categories.

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From dbdoug at gmail.com  Sun Oct 20 15:53:18 2013
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 13:53:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: Custom Ribbons and Custom Navigation Panes
In-Reply-To: <001001cecdb6$51050af0$f30f20d0$@comcast.net>
References: <CAEPJO1i6=Zxeo70FW1GQcjaG4p1oc_CUYirQv7ZEhooB2b=r9g@mail.gmail.com>
	<DD59417DEFD64A7D9E6B849C2FE2ACAC@HAL9007>
	<881C9384821146E7BB0FC1593D89A245@HomePC>
	<001001cecdb6$51050af0$f30f20d0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAFa8Nkge24=9TpN7GJUGFBRviCwGv_BngQmR+7uDvx6KYT4S4Q@mail.gmail.com>

No and no.
Doug


On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Dan Waters <df.waters at comcast.net> wrote:

> No and No.
>
> In Access 2003 I did use a few custom toolbars.  One was to close a report
> that was in Print Preview, the others were context sensitive shortcut
> menubars.
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jm.hwsn
> Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 11:26 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll: Custom Ribbons and Custom Navigation Panes
>
> Yes - ribbons
> No - Navigation pane
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 10:10 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll: Custom Ribbons and Custom Navigation Panes
>
> No on both counts for me.  But I'm still developing in 2003. But no custom
> toolbars save one - a close button for reports in preview.
>
> R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 8:57 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Poll: Custom Ribbons and Custom Navigation Panes
>
> I'm curious as to how many of you Access developers have used either custom
> ribbons or custom navigation panes in apps you've developed since these
> features appeared in Access 2007.
>
> To get a better idea of the big picture, it would help if you'd vote Yes or
> No. Then I could do a count.
>
> As for me, I have to answer No to both categories.
>
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From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Sun Oct 20 16:41:01 2013
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 10:41:01 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: Custom Ribbons and Custom Navigation Panes
In-Reply-To: <C5794B64ADD1463F8654990B491537AB@BondSoftware.local>
References: <C5794B64ADD1463F8654990B491537AB@BondSoftware.local>
Message-ID: <F35C4737E33A6543BC69DFB19CB5748F061AD2@bsserver.BondSoftware.local>

No and No

Stephen

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Sunday, 20 October 2013 5:01 p.m.
To: Stephen
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: Custom Ribbons and Custom Navigation Panes

I'm curious as to how many of you Access developers have used either
custom
ribbons or custom navigation panes in apps you've developed since these
features appeared in Access 2007.

To get a better idea of the big picture, it would help if you'd vote Yes
or
No. Then I could do a count.

As for me, I have to answer No to both categories.

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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Sun Oct 20 17:07:48 2013
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 11:07:48 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: Custom Ribbons and Custom Navigation Panes
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met_zE3ogYh2kq3hJbSnftOe45S86bNoX5MPdZFwh_d_4iw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1i6=Zxeo70FW1GQcjaG4p1oc_CUYirQv7ZEhooB2b=r9g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met_zE3ogYh2kq3hJbSnftOe45S86bNoX5MPdZFwh_d_4iw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003a01cecde0$d03d74e0$70b85ea0$@dalyn.co.nz>

No and No

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Sunday, 20 October 2013 6:57 p.m.
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll: Custom Ribbons and Custom Navigation Panes

I have to say that I haven't used them, mainly because I build applications
that operate from the interface and I put buttons for the actions I need on
the forms themselves.  While I use the ribbons myself, I'm not thrilled with
them as a menu replacement.

Charlotte


On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 8:56 PM, Arthur Fuller
<fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> I'm curious as to how many of you Access developers have used either 
> custom ribbons or custom navigation panes in apps you've developed 
> since these features appeared in Access 2007.
>
> To get a better idea of the big picture, it would help if you'd vote 
> Yes or No. Then I could do a count.
>
> As for me, I have to answer No to both categories.
>
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Oct 20 17:15:16 2013
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 22:15:16 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: Custom Ribbons and Custom Navigation Panes
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1i6=Zxeo70FW1GQcjaG4p1oc_CUYirQv7ZEhooB2b=r9g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1i6=Zxeo70FW1GQcjaG4p1oc_CUYirQv7ZEhooB2b=r9g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dff6ded429a74e138ac11523f60209b9@SIXPR04MB048.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Custom ribbons: Yes
Cust Nav Panes: Nup.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, 20 October 2013 2:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: Custom Ribbons and Custom Navigation Panes

I'm curious as to how many of you Access developers have used either custom ribbons or custom navigation panes in apps you've developed since these features appeared in Access 2007.

To get a better idea of the big picture, it would help if you'd vote Yes or No. Then I could do a count.

As for me, I have to answer No to both categories.

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From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz  Sun Oct 20 19:37:48 2013
From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 13:37:48 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: Custom Ribbons and Custom Navigation Panes
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1i6=Zxeo70FW1GQcjaG4p1oc_CUYirQv7ZEhooB2b=r9g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1i6=Zxeo70FW1GQcjaG4p1oc_CUYirQv7ZEhooB2b=r9g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <92A88223F6E7495FA6D1E2CE64873F78@stevelaptop>

Thanks, Arthur.

Ribbons: Yes
Nav: No

Regards
Steve

-----Original Message----- 
From: Arthur Fuller 
Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 4:56 PM 
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: Custom Ribbons and Custom Navigation Panes 

I'm curious as to how many of you Access developers have used either custom
ribbons or custom navigation panes in apps you've developed since these
features appeared in Access 2007.

To get a better idea of the big picture, it would help if you'd vote Yes or
No. Then I could do a count.

As for me, I have to answer No to both categories.

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From bruce.kovacs at urs.com  Mon Oct 21 09:54:34 2013
From: bruce.kovacs at urs.com (Kovacs, Bruce)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 14:54:34 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: Custom Ribbons and Custom Navigation Panes
In-Reply-To: <DD59417DEFD64A7D9E6B849C2FE2ACAC@HAL9007>
References: <CAEPJO1i6=Zxeo70FW1GQcjaG4p1oc_CUYirQv7ZEhooB2b=r9g@mail.gmail.com>
	<DD59417DEFD64A7D9E6B849C2FE2ACAC@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <C59F9005BCF83840B29368B37027B2E00E0DA5FE@EXMB103.EX.URS.COM>


Same for me; No, and No.  And I am also still doing the bulk of my development work in 2003.

Bruce Kovacs
URS Corporation

SGT, LLC
7207 IBM Drive
Charlotte, NC  28262

Office:  704-805-2131
Fax:  704-805-2875
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 11:11 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll: Custom Ribbons and Custom Navigation Panes

No on both counts for me.  But I'm still developing in 2003. But no custom toolbars save one - a close button for reports in preview.

R


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 8:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: Custom Ribbons and Custom Navigation Panes

I'm curious as to how many of you Access developers have used either custom ribbons or custom navigation panes in apps you've developed since these features appeared in Access 2007.

To get a better idea of the big picture, it would help if you'd vote Yes or No. Then I could do a count.

As for me, I have to answer No to both categories.

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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Mon Oct 21 10:08:53 2013
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 10:08:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: Custom Ribbons and Custom Navigation Panes
References: <CAEPJO1i6=Zxeo70FW1GQcjaG4p1oc_CUYirQv7ZEhooB2b=r9g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B536@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

Arthur,

No

No

Brad Marks
Black Forest LTD
Owatonna, MN


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sat 10/19/2013 10:56 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: Custom Ribbons and Custom Navigation Panes
 
I'm curious as to how many of you Access developers have used either custom
ribbons or custom navigation panes in apps you've developed since these
features appeared in Access 2007.

To get a better idea of the big picture, it would help if you'd vote Yes or
No. Then I could do a count.

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Oct 21 10:15:41 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 08:15:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] (no subject)
Message-ID: <FC382FFB48834C3CBEFC158C27D3BE61@HAL9007>

I posted a couple of weeks ago that my display is wonky but I've been living
with it from day to day because I don't want to face the ultimate
consequences - a total disk wipe and reload.

 

Here's what happened - one day my displays (dual monitors - HDMI and DVI)
just refused to light up.  Testing them on a second machine showed they were
still working so I thought it must be the video card.  I got the machine
back in limp mode by using one monitor in VGA and did a full backup using
Norton Ghost.

 

So I zipped down to Fry's got an MSI with Nvidia software.  Had a hard time
getting the software loaded but with terrible help from MSI I got the
monitors up to the point where they were working but they did not display
correctly.  The desktop displays all colors correctly so the card was
working correctly but any app would show no colors except for what it looks
like just maybe embedded graphics.  Access - no colors (except for a very
few control - I can set the color on a line control.  And it shows the color
on an image control with the Picture pointing to a .png file (embedded).

 

Browsers also show this lack of color and come links are hidden.  So that's
annoying.  In Outlook, the folders down the left side are in yellow but
everything else is pretty much black and white with a few grays. So all apps
are failing to show colors except for some graphics.  But again, the desktop
icons are all correct. SO I think the card is working right.

 

So, MSI tech tells me maybe the card is bad out of the box because he
doesn't want to help me any more so back to Fry's I go to get a different
card. But before I do I stick the old card in so at least I have a working
machine.  And what do you know - the HDMI and DVI ports are working.  But
still no colors.  So I'm thinking that the card is OK - it's software.

 

I uninstalled all the Nvidia stuff I could find including cleaning the
registry, reinstalled the drivers for the original card (it came with the
Dell XPS 830) but have not been able to correct the problem.  

 

I did a deep virus scan - nothing found.  I tried to go back to a restore
point - there was only one available (don't know why) and it failed to
restore. 

 

I use Norton Ghost and have the whole drive backed up to an external HD with
a date that I think means the problem may be in the backup.  I have restored
individual files from these backups so they work.  But I have never done a
whole system restore. 

 

My leading theory is that this is a software problem and there is a dll or a
driver of some several files that are bad and if they could be found and
replaced the problem would be fixed.  But I don't know where to go form
here.  

 

I have, I think for options in order if decreasing pain:

 

1.	The nuclear option - wipe the disk and restore to out of the box
state; reload all software, add-ons, etc, restore personal files.  Not a
pleasant prospect, but the backstop plan. ( I made the three DVD System
Recovery Disks when I got the box. ) (Actually have a backup to the backup
if System Restore from the DVDs fails, I've got a W7 Ultimate disk).  This
plan could take a couple of days, as you guys know.

 

2.	Do a whole system restore from the Ghost backup.  If it fails option
1 becomes operative.

 

3.	Try restoring specific OS folders like the Windows/System 32 folder
where the problem might lie.  But for me, that just shooting in the dark.  

 

4.	Actually diagnose and repair the problem - and this would mean
relying on you guys to come up with some ideas of what the problem might be.


 

The video card is an AMD  Radeon HD 6450 1GB DDR3.

 

I suppose I could also take it to a desktop expert and pay for the fix.  But
my comps have been so reliable for the last 20 years, I don't really have
anyone like that.

 

Any ideas on this will be greatly appreciated. 

 

MTIA

 


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Mon Oct 21 10:25:39 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 11:25:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <FC382FFB48834C3CBEFC158C27D3BE61@HAL9007>
References: <FC382FFB48834C3CBEFC158C27D3BE61@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAA_iUE-ERJAeM4Ybx9LGVmYfZEKHQ=kGKz-Q-2Z0FKQ9uJ3Ccw@mail.gmail.com>

Does it happen to be a coprocessor, using an onboard proc/mem?  This sounds
like color mapping issues.  If it has video on the mb figure out how to
disable it.
On Oct 21, 2013 11:17 AM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> I posted a couple of weeks ago that my display is wonky but I've been
> living
> with it from day to day because I don't want to face the ultimate
> consequences - a total disk wipe and reload.
>
>
>
> Here's what happened - one day my displays (dual monitors - HDMI and DVI)
> just refused to light up.  Testing them on a second machine showed they
> were
> still working so I thought it must be the video card.  I got the machine
> back in limp mode by using one monitor in VGA and did a full backup using
> Norton Ghost.
>
>
>
> So I zipped down to Fry's got an MSI with Nvidia software.  Had a hard time
> getting the software loaded but with terrible help from MSI I got the
> monitors up to the point where they were working but they did not display
> correctly.  The desktop displays all colors correctly so the card was
> working correctly but any app would show no colors except for what it looks
> like just maybe embedded graphics.  Access - no colors (except for a very
> few control - I can set the color on a line control.  And it shows the
> color
> on an image control with the Picture pointing to a .png file (embedded).
>
>
>
> Browsers also show this lack of color and come links are hidden.  So that's
> annoying.  In Outlook, the folders down the left side are in yellow but
> everything else is pretty much black and white with a few grays. So all
> apps
> are failing to show colors except for some graphics.  But again, the
> desktop
> icons are all correct. SO I think the card is working right.
>
>
>
> So, MSI tech tells me maybe the card is bad out of the box because he
> doesn't want to help me any more so back to Fry's I go to get a different
> card. But before I do I stick the old card in so at least I have a working
> machine.  And what do you know - the HDMI and DVI ports are working.  But
> still no colors.  So I'm thinking that the card is OK - it's software.
>
>
>
> I uninstalled all the Nvidia stuff I could find including cleaning the
> registry, reinstalled the drivers for the original card (it came with the
> Dell XPS 830) but have not been able to correct the problem.
>
>
>
> I did a deep virus scan - nothing found.  I tried to go back to a restore
> point - there was only one available (don't know why) and it failed to
> restore.
>
>
>
> I use Norton Ghost and have the whole drive backed up to an external HD
> with
> a date that I think means the problem may be in the backup.  I have
> restored
> individual files from these backups so they work.  But I have never done a
> whole system restore.
>
>
>
> My leading theory is that this is a software problem and there is a dll or
> a
> driver of some several files that are bad and if they could be found and
> replaced the problem would be fixed.  But I don't know where to go form
> here.
>
>
>
> I have, I think for options in order if decreasing pain:
>
>
>
> 1.      The nuclear option - wipe the disk and restore to out of the box
> state; reload all software, add-ons, etc, restore personal files.  Not a
> pleasant prospect, but the backstop plan. ( I made the three DVD System
> Recovery Disks when I got the box. ) (Actually have a backup to the backup
> if System Restore from the DVDs fails, I've got a W7 Ultimate disk).  This
> plan could take a couple of days, as you guys know.
>
>
>
> 2.      Do a whole system restore from the Ghost backup.  If it fails
> option
> 1 becomes operative.
>
>
>
> 3.      Try restoring specific OS folders like the Windows/System 32 folder
> where the problem might lie.  But for me, that just shooting in the dark.
>
>
>
> 4.      Actually diagnose and repair the problem - and this would mean
> relying on you guys to come up with some ideas of what the problem might
> be.
>
>
>
>
> The video card is an AMD  Radeon HD 6450 1GB DDR3.
>
>
>
> I suppose I could also take it to a desktop expert and pay for the fix.
>  But
> my comps have been so reliable for the last 20 years, I don't really have
> anyone like that.
>
>
>
> Any ideas on this will be greatly appreciated.
>
>
>
> MTIA
>
>
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Oct 21 10:30:41 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 08:30:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <FC382FFB48834C3CBEFC158C27D3BE61@HAL9007>
References: <FC382FFB48834C3CBEFC158C27D3BE61@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <5329ECACACEC4F089F7421EE8B634EAE@HAL9007>

 
Wow, that didn't take long - the one guy I copied just called and had me
change the theme - somehow, the visually impaired black and white theme had
gotten selected.  Desktop-->Personalize-->Select Aero Theme-->Black
background I like and walla! Problem solved! 

I am happy!

You need system help - email that guy - Bill Murphy - WMurphy at netsapien.com.
He has two brilliant kids.  Guess they come by it honestly.

R 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 8:16 AM
To: 'Off Topic'; List; 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: 'William Murphy'
Subject: [dba-OT] (no subject)

I posted a couple of weeks ago that my display is wonky but I've been living
with it from day to day because I don't want to face the ultimate
consequences - a total disk wipe and reload.

 

Here's what happened - one day my displays (dual monitors - HDMI and DVI)
just refused to light up.  Testing them on a second machine showed they were
still working so I thought it must be the video card.  I got the machine
back in limp mode by using one monitor in VGA and did a full backup using
Norton Ghost.

 

So I zipped down to Fry's got an MSI with Nvidia software.  Had a hard time
getting the software loaded but with terrible help from MSI I got the
monitors up to the point where they were working but they did not display
correctly.  The desktop displays all colors correctly so the card was
working correctly but any app would show no colors except for what it looks
like just maybe embedded graphics.  Access - no colors (except for a very
few control - I can set the color on a line control.  And it shows the color
on an image control with the Picture pointing to a .png file (embedded).

 

Browsers also show this lack of color and come links are hidden.  So that's
annoying.  In Outlook, the folders down the left side are in yellow but
everything else is pretty much black and white with a few grays. So all apps
are failing to show colors except for some graphics.  But again, the desktop
icons are all correct. SO I think the card is working right.

 

So, MSI tech tells me maybe the card is bad out of the box because he
doesn't want to help me any more so back to Fry's I go to get a different
card. But before I do I stick the old card in so at least I have a working
machine.  And what do you know - the HDMI and DVI ports are working.  But
still no colors.  So I'm thinking that the card is OK - it's software.

 

I uninstalled all the Nvidia stuff I could find including cleaning the
registry, reinstalled the drivers for the original card (it came with the
Dell XPS 830) but have not been able to correct the problem.  

 

I did a deep virus scan - nothing found.  I tried to go back to a restore
point - there was only one available (don't know why) and it failed to
restore. 

 

I use Norton Ghost and have the whole drive backed up to an external HD with
a date that I think means the problem may be in the backup.  I have restored
individual files from these backups so they work.  But I have never done a
whole system restore. 

 

My leading theory is that this is a software problem and there is a dll or a
driver of some several files that are bad and if they could be found and
replaced the problem would be fixed.  But I don't know where to go form
here.  

 

I have, I think for options in order if decreasing pain:

 

1.	The nuclear option - wipe the disk and restore to out of the box
state; reload all software, add-ons, etc, restore personal files.  Not a
pleasant prospect, but the backstop plan. ( I made the three DVD System
Recovery Disks when I got the box. ) (Actually have a backup to the backup
if System Restore from the DVDs fails, I've got a W7 Ultimate disk).  This
plan could take a couple of days, as you guys know.

 

2.	Do a whole system restore from the Ghost backup.  If it fails option
1 becomes operative.

 

3.	Try restoring specific OS folders like the Windows/System 32 folder
where the problem might lie.  But for me, that just shooting in the dark.  

 

4.	Actually diagnose and repair the problem - and this would mean
relying on you guys to come up with some ideas of what the problem might be.


 

The video card is an AMD  Radeon HD 6450 1GB DDR3.

 

I suppose I could also take it to a desktop expert and pay for the fix.  But
my comps have been so reliable for the last 20 years, I don't really have
anyone like that.

 

Any ideas on this will be greatly appreciated. 

 

MTIA

 

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Oct 21 10:38:14 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 08:38:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <CAA_iUE-ERJAeM4Ybx9LGVmYfZEKHQ=kGKz-Q-2Z0FKQ9uJ3Ccw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FC382FFB48834C3CBEFC158C27D3BE61@HAL9007>
	<CAA_iUE-ERJAeM4Ybx9LGVmYfZEKHQ=kGKz-Q-2Z0FKQ9uJ3Ccw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <640191FDE4A5464F81FBF55EE0FD6BFE@HAL9007>

Well my local bud who is actually in Boston, solved it in a minute. My bad -
I should have known to try his solution.  I owe him many beers.

R


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 8:26 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] (no subject)

Does it happen to be a coprocessor, using an onboard proc/mem?  This sounds
like color mapping issues.  If it has video on the mb figure out how to
disable it.
On Oct 21, 2013 11:17 AM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> I posted a couple of weeks ago that my display is wonky but I've been 
> living with it from day to day because I don't want to face the 
> ultimate consequences - a total disk wipe and reload.
>
>
>
> Here's what happened - one day my displays (dual monitors - HDMI and 
> DVI) just refused to light up.  Testing them on a second machine 
> showed they were still working so I thought it must be the video card.  
> I got the machine back in limp mode by using one monitor in VGA and 
> did a full backup using Norton Ghost.
>
>
>
> So I zipped down to Fry's got an MSI with Nvidia software.  Had a hard 
> time getting the software loaded but with terrible help from MSI I got 
> the monitors up to the point where they were working but they did not 
> display correctly.  The desktop displays all colors correctly so the 
> card was working correctly but any app would show no colors except for 
> what it looks like just maybe embedded graphics.  Access - no colors 
> (except for a very few control - I can set the color on a line 
> control.  And it shows the color on an image control with the Picture 
> pointing to a .png file (embedded).
>
>
>
> Browsers also show this lack of color and come links are hidden.  So 
> that's annoying.  In Outlook, the folders down the left side are in 
> yellow but everything else is pretty much black and white with a few 
> grays. So all apps are failing to show colors except for some 
> graphics.  But again, the desktop icons are all correct. SO I think 
> the card is working right.
>
>
>
> So, MSI tech tells me maybe the card is bad out of the box because he 
> doesn't want to help me any more so back to Fry's I go to get a 
> different card. But before I do I stick the old card in so at least I 
> have a working machine.  And what do you know - the HDMI and DVI ports 
> are working.  But still no colors.  So I'm thinking that the card is OK -
it's software.
>
>
>
> I uninstalled all the Nvidia stuff I could find including cleaning the 
> registry, reinstalled the drivers for the original card (it came with 
> the Dell XPS 830) but have not been able to correct the problem.
>
>
>
> I did a deep virus scan - nothing found.  I tried to go back to a 
> restore point - there was only one available (don't know why) and it 
> failed to restore.
>
>
>
> I use Norton Ghost and have the whole drive backed up to an external 
> HD with a date that I think means the problem may be in the backup.  I 
> have restored individual files from these backups so they work.  But I 
> have never done a whole system restore.
>
>
>
> My leading theory is that this is a software problem and there is a 
> dll or a driver of some several files that are bad and if they could 
> be found and replaced the problem would be fixed.  But I don't know 
> where to go form here.
>
>
>
> I have, I think for options in order if decreasing pain:
>
>
>
> 1.      The nuclear option - wipe the disk and restore to out of the box
> state; reload all software, add-ons, etc, restore personal files.  Not 
> a pleasant prospect, but the backstop plan. ( I made the three DVD 
> System Recovery Disks when I got the box. ) (Actually have a backup to 
> the backup if System Restore from the DVDs fails, I've got a W7 
> Ultimate disk).  This plan could take a couple of days, as you guys know.
>
>
>
> 2.      Do a whole system restore from the Ghost backup.  If it fails
> option
> 1 becomes operative.
>
>
>
> 3.      Try restoring specific OS folders like the Windows/System 32
folder
> where the problem might lie.  But for me, that just shooting in the dark.
>
>
>
> 4.      Actually diagnose and repair the problem - and this would mean
> relying on you guys to come up with some ideas of what the problem 
> might be.
>
>
>
>
> The video card is an AMD  Radeon HD 6450 1GB DDR3.
>
>
>
> I suppose I could also take it to a desktop expert and pay for the fix.
>  But
> my comps have been so reliable for the last 20 years, I don't really 
> have anyone like that.
>
>
>
> Any ideas on this will be greatly appreciated.
>
>
>
> MTIA
>
>
>
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Mon Oct 21 10:40:52 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 11:40:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <5329ECACACEC4F089F7421EE8B634EAE@HAL9007>
References: <FC382FFB48834C3CBEFC158C27D3BE61@HAL9007>
	<5329ECACACEC4F089F7421EE8B634EAE@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAA_iUE-VTGWiLSK+hngpzAZbx8zKQ8+ZmPRNdMOGJYAFDfaWMg@mail.gmail.com>

Rotfl
On Oct 21, 2013 11:37 AM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

>
> Wow, that didn't take long - the one guy I copied just called and had me
> change the theme - somehow, the visually impaired black and white theme had
> gotten selected.  Desktop-->Personalize-->Select Aero Theme-->Black
> background I like and walla! Problem solved!
>
> I am happy!
>
> You need system help - email that guy - Bill Murphy -
> WMurphy at netsapien.com.
> He has two brilliant kids.  Guess they come by it honestly.
>
> R
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 8:16 AM
> To: 'Off Topic'; List; 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Cc: 'William Murphy'
> Subject: [dba-OT] (no subject)
>
> I posted a couple of weeks ago that my display is wonky but I've been
> living
> with it from day to day because I don't want to face the ultimate
> consequences - a total disk wipe and reload.
>
>
>
> Here's what happened - one day my displays (dual monitors - HDMI and DVI)
> just refused to light up.  Testing them on a second machine showed they
> were
> still working so I thought it must be the video card.  I got the machine
> back in limp mode by using one monitor in VGA and did a full backup using
> Norton Ghost.
>
>
>
> So I zipped down to Fry's got an MSI with Nvidia software.  Had a hard time
> getting the software loaded but with terrible help from MSI I got the
> monitors up to the point where they were working but they did not display
> correctly.  The desktop displays all colors correctly so the card was
> working correctly but any app would show no colors except for what it looks
> like just maybe embedded graphics.  Access - no colors (except for a very
> few control - I can set the color on a line control.  And it shows the
> color
> on an image control with the Picture pointing to a .png file (embedded).
>
>
>
> Browsers also show this lack of color and come links are hidden.  So that's
> annoying.  In Outlook, the folders down the left side are in yellow but
> everything else is pretty much black and white with a few grays. So all
> apps
> are failing to show colors except for some graphics.  But again, the
> desktop
> icons are all correct. SO I think the card is working right.
>
>
>
> So, MSI tech tells me maybe the card is bad out of the box because he
> doesn't want to help me any more so back to Fry's I go to get a different
> card. But before I do I stick the old card in so at least I have a working
> machine.  And what do you know - the HDMI and DVI ports are working.  But
> still no colors.  So I'm thinking that the card is OK - it's software.
>
>
>
> I uninstalled all the Nvidia stuff I could find including cleaning the
> registry, reinstalled the drivers for the original card (it came with the
> Dell XPS 830) but have not been able to correct the problem.
>
>
>
> I did a deep virus scan - nothing found.  I tried to go back to a restore
> point - there was only one available (don't know why) and it failed to
> restore.
>
>
>
> I use Norton Ghost and have the whole drive backed up to an external HD
> with
> a date that I think means the problem may be in the backup.  I have
> restored
> individual files from these backups so they work.  But I have never done a
> whole system restore.
>
>
>
> My leading theory is that this is a software problem and there is a dll or
> a
> driver of some several files that are bad and if they could be found and
> replaced the problem would be fixed.  But I don't know where to go form
> here.
>
>
>
> I have, I think for options in order if decreasing pain:
>
>
>
> 1.      The nuclear option - wipe the disk and restore to out of the box
> state; reload all software, add-ons, etc, restore personal files.  Not a
> pleasant prospect, but the backstop plan. ( I made the three DVD System
> Recovery Disks when I got the box. ) (Actually have a backup to the backup
> if System Restore from the DVDs fails, I've got a W7 Ultimate disk).  This
> plan could take a couple of days, as you guys know.
>
>
>
> 2.      Do a whole system restore from the Ghost backup.  If it fails
> option
> 1 becomes operative.
>
>
>
> 3.      Try restoring specific OS folders like the Windows/System 32 folder
> where the problem might lie.  But for me, that just shooting in the dark.
>
>
>
> 4.      Actually diagnose and repair the problem - and this would mean
> relying on you guys to come up with some ideas of what the problem might
> be.
>
>
>
>
> The video card is an AMD  Radeon HD 6450 1GB DDR3.
>
>
>
> I suppose I could also take it to a desktop expert and pay for the fix.
>  But
> my comps have been so reliable for the last 20 years, I don't really have
> anyone like that.
>
>
>
> Any ideas on this will be greatly appreciated.
>
>
>
> MTIA
>
>
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Oct 21 10:54:14 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 08:54:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <CAA_iUE-VTGWiLSK+hngpzAZbx8zKQ8+ZmPRNdMOGJYAFDfaWMg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FC382FFB48834C3CBEFC158C27D3BE61@HAL9007><5329ECACACEC4F089F7421EE8B634EAE@HAL9007>
	<CAA_iUE-VTGWiLSK+hngpzAZbx8zKQ8+ZmPRNdMOGJYAFDfaWMg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2DB76CB5B8DD4DC2920C56622EE4A9B6@HAL9007>

Murphy actually is the best systems guy I know.  And he travels.  If anyone
needs a guy on-site or remote support this is the go to guy, IMO.

r 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 8:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] (no subject)

Rotfl
On Oct 21, 2013 11:37 AM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

>
> Wow, that didn't take long - the one guy I copied just called and had 
> me change the theme - somehow, the visually impaired black and white 
> theme had gotten selected.  Desktop-->Personalize-->Select Aero 
> Theme-->Black background I like and walla! Problem solved!
>
> I am happy!
>
> You need system help - email that guy - Bill Murphy - 
> WMurphy at netsapien.com.
> He has two brilliant kids.  Guess they come by it honestly.
>
> R
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 8:16 AM
> To: 'Off Topic'; List; 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Cc: 'William Murphy'
> Subject: [dba-OT] (no subject)
>
> I posted a couple of weeks ago that my display is wonky but I've been 
> living with it from day to day because I don't want to face the 
> ultimate consequences - a total disk wipe and reload.
>
>
>
> Here's what happened - one day my displays (dual monitors - HDMI and 
> DVI) just refused to light up.  Testing them on a second machine 
> showed they were still working so I thought it must be the video card.  
> I got the machine back in limp mode by using one monitor in VGA and 
> did a full backup using Norton Ghost.
>
>
>
> So I zipped down to Fry's got an MSI with Nvidia software.  Had a hard 
> time getting the software loaded but with terrible help from MSI I got 
> the monitors up to the point where they were working but they did not 
> display correctly.  The desktop displays all colors correctly so the 
> card was working correctly but any app would show no colors except for 
> what it looks like just maybe embedded graphics.  Access - no colors 
> (except for a very few control - I can set the color on a line 
> control.  And it shows the color on an image control with the Picture 
> pointing to a .png file (embedded).
>
>
>
> Browsers also show this lack of color and come links are hidden.  So 
> that's annoying.  In Outlook, the folders down the left side are in 
> yellow but everything else is pretty much black and white with a few 
> grays. So all apps are failing to show colors except for some 
> graphics.  But again, the desktop icons are all correct. SO I think 
> the card is working right.
>
>
>
> So, MSI tech tells me maybe the card is bad out of the box because he 
> doesn't want to help me any more so back to Fry's I go to get a 
> different card. But before I do I stick the old card in so at least I 
> have a working machine.  And what do you know - the HDMI and DVI ports 
> are working.  But still no colors.  So I'm thinking that the card is OK -
it's software.
>
>
>
> I uninstalled all the Nvidia stuff I could find including cleaning the 
> registry, reinstalled the drivers for the original card (it came with 
> the Dell XPS 830) but have not been able to correct the problem.
>
>
>
> I did a deep virus scan - nothing found.  I tried to go back to a 
> restore point - there was only one available (don't know why) and it 
> failed to restore.
>
>
>
> I use Norton Ghost and have the whole drive backed up to an external 
> HD with a date that I think means the problem may be in the backup.  I 
> have restored individual files from these backups so they work.  But I 
> have never done a whole system restore.
>
>
>
> My leading theory is that this is a software problem and there is a 
> dll or a driver of some several files that are bad and if they could 
> be found and replaced the problem would be fixed.  But I don't know 
> where to go form here.
>
>
>
> I have, I think for options in order if decreasing pain:
>
>
>
> 1.      The nuclear option - wipe the disk and restore to out of the box
> state; reload all software, add-ons, etc, restore personal files.  Not 
> a pleasant prospect, but the backstop plan. ( I made the three DVD 
> System Recovery Disks when I got the box. ) (Actually have a backup to 
> the backup if System Restore from the DVDs fails, I've got a W7 
> Ultimate disk).  This plan could take a couple of days, as you guys know.
>
>
>
> 2.      Do a whole system restore from the Ghost backup.  If it fails
> option
> 1 becomes operative.
>
>
>
> 3.      Try restoring specific OS folders like the Windows/System 32
folder
> where the problem might lie.  But for me, that just shooting in the dark.
>
>
>
> 4.      Actually diagnose and repair the problem - and this would mean
> relying on you guys to come up with some ideas of what the problem 
> might be.
>
>
>
>
> The video card is an AMD  Radeon HD 6450 1GB DDR3.
>
>
>
> I suppose I could also take it to a desktop expert and pay for the fix.
>  But
> my comps have been so reliable for the last 20 years, I don't really 
> have anyone like that.
>
>
>
> Any ideas on this will be greatly appreciated.
>
>
>
> MTIA
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-OT mailing list
> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Oct 21 12:01:02 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 10:01:02 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: Custom Ribbons and Custom Navigation Panes
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B536@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <CAEPJO1i6=Zxeo70FW1GQcjaG4p1oc_CUYirQv7ZEhooB2b=r9g@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B536@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <827C8B94ACE245D285A9F54FCF703D56@HAL9007>

Do I detect a pattern here?   

DO you suppose MS has looked at similar data and wondered why developers are
not customizing their own ribbons or nav panes?

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 8:09 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll: Custom Ribbons and Custom Navigation Panes

Arthur,

No

No

Brad Marks
Black Forest LTD
Owatonna, MN


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Sat 10/19/2013 10:56 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: Custom Ribbons and Custom Navigation Panes
 
I'm curious as to how many of you Access developers have used either custom
ribbons or custom navigation panes in apps you've developed since these
features appeared in Access 2007.

To get a better idea of the big picture, it would help if you'd vote Yes or
No. Then I could do a count.

As for me, I have to answer No to both categories.

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From marksimms at verizon.net  Mon Oct 21 18:50:04 2013
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 19:50:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: Custom Ribbons and Custom Navigation Panes
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Yes, no for me.
We've been over this issue already.
Building a custom ribbon is tedious due to the unforgiving nature of XML.
It requires a lot of creativity and patience.
For one thing, if you don't architect your call-backs correctly, it can
become a huge monster to maintain.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 1:01 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll: Custom Ribbons and Custom Navigation Panes
>
> Do I detect a pattern here?
>
> DO you suppose MS has looked at similar data and wondered why
> developers are
> not customizing their own ribbons or nav panes?
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 8:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll: Custom Ribbons and Custom Navigation Panes
>
> Arthur,
>
> No
>
> No
>
> Brad Marks
> Black Forest LTD
> Owatonna, MN
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Sat 10/19/2013 10:56 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Poll: Custom Ribbons and Custom Navigation Panes
>
> I'm curious as to how many of you Access developers have used either
> custom
> ribbons or custom navigation panes in apps you've developed since these
> features appeared in Access 2007.
>
> To get a better idea of the big picture, it would help if you'd vote
> Yes or
> No. Then I could do a count.
>
> As for me, I have to answer No to both categories.
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Oct 22 04:30:17 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 05:30:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] The Future of Access
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hAPdobo_5D=BVQxYYULnsM854srKdEG5wkvAYL2TtmVw@mail.gmail.com>

NOT! MS has pretty much declared that Access has no future, at least among
the developer community. So then. where is one to go? Visual Studio? A very
steep climb. Alpha Anywhere is for my bet a much more profitable path, both
intellectually and economically.

I have emotional/intellectual bonds with Alpha, and the folks behind it
have offered me a chance to bundle a bunch of you into a quantity-purchase
of said product. First of all, let me declare that I have no shares or any
other fiscal interest in Alpha, I simply love the software. Next, the Alpha
people have offered me the opportunity to aggregate a group of developers
into a group-purchase of the licensing.

Before you bite the bullet, you can taste its treats by visiting
www.alphasotware.com and follow the links. You can obtain a free trial
there, and also view some vids describing the software.

I am doing this as a service to the Access Developers community. I stand to
gain zero dollars for these efforts. I am not in any way aligned in any
economic sense with the folks behind Alpha, although I have become
net-friends with the principals.

And this is why they have offered an opportunity to all of you, via me.
Here's the nut:

Alpha Anywhere beats Access and Visual Studio and RoR, no contest.
You can grab a 20-day trial from AlphaSoftware.com. The demos are
astounding. Way way way beyond Northwind.

So here's the deal. Visit Alpha's web site, download a trial version,
inspect the demos, and decide whether this is a path worth investment. If
you decide Yes, and a minimum of ten of you do decide Yes, then I can
arrange a bulk-purchase. You don't have to say Yes at once. Download the
trial and see the future of your development projects.

I've already stated it but I'll say it again: I have no fiscal interest in
this project or the privately-held company. I do work with the team and
have embarked on writing some articles about the transition from Access to
Alpha Anywhere, ultimately to be posted on their web site. I am receiving
no remuneration for these efforts. I am as objective as can be.

Back to the subject,the future of Access. In a word, None.

Download the trial edition. Walk through the tuts. See what can be done
with this remarkable software. And if you like what you see, I can arrange
a bulk purchase of Alpha Anywhere, for a significant discount from the
individual price.

Why, you might ask, am I doing this? First of all, I stand absolutely no
fiscal gain. I'm doing this because a) I love the software', and b) as an
Access developer and (I like to think) a significant contributor to our
community, and c) as a consequence of my active participation in the Access
developers community, I recognize that MS has failed us dramatically, and
we need a new place to go.

So here's the deal. 1) Download the trial from www.alphasoftware.com. 2)
Take the demos for a spin. 3) If you like what you see, contact me
privately and join the bulk-purchase thing that II have arranged with
Alpha. It won't cost you a cent up front, and there will be no deal until I
get at least 10 people willing to participate.

Let me re-state this: I have absolutely no fiscal interest in doing this. I
am doing this because a) I love the Alpha software; b) like many Access
developers, I have hit the wall that MS built; and c) I have built many
cyber-friendships with Access developers all around the world, and have
learned much from them, and feel the need to pay back.

So... here's what to do. First, download the trial Alpha Anywhere. Second,
play with the samples. Third, decide whether you want into this new
platform. Fourth, email me privately that you want into the bulk purchase
that I am trying to build.

It won't cost you a penny until we achieve the threshold of 10 particpants.
And at the risk of repitition, I stand to gain absolutely no remuneration
from this effort. I have talked with the people at Alpha, and in fact this
was their idea not mine. But this is the bottom line: MS has abandoned us
Access developers, and Alpha offers an elegant way out and a way into the
future.

If you're feeling trapped in Access or for that matter in Visual Studio,
please download the trial edition of Alpha, and if you like what you see,
get back to me and I'll put you on my list for a bulk-purchase.

If I sound like an evangelist for Alpha, then I plead Guilty, but I must
re-state that I stand to gain absolutely nothing in the way of payment or
anything else. I asked them for a couple of gorgeous hookers, for an
evening, but they declined :) So I still have my integrity intact LOL.

-- 
Arthur

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Oct 21 19:36:46 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 20:36:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: Custom Ribbons and Custom Navigation Panes
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I have been dutifully recording the votes as they come in. The current
stats are:

Total Votes: 15
Ribbons: Yes = 5 No = 10
Navigation Pane: Yes = 1 No = 14

Perhaps I ought to have included custom Toolbars, but since they've been in
Access since forever, I chose to concentrate upon the features introduced
in Access 2007+.

I'm not quite ready to close this poll; I'll give it another week, maybe,
to await votes from recalcitrants; but thus far, and given the expertise of
those who have chosen to respond so far, the overwhelming evidence suggests
that these two new features have gone almost unanimously ignored among the
developers community.

I am no MS apologist let alone evangelist, but these stats do give one
pause. I can see reasons why these two options have been made available,
but the fact seems to me that the Access team dropped the ball in both
courts. Rather than shipping Yet Another Version of NorthWind, the team
failed to provide examples of customization of both objects, and to
illustrate how these might work in real-world apps. One or two add-in
developers have bitten the bullet and provided clumsy methods to customize
the ribbon and the NavBar, but the point remains: the Access team has
seriously failed to provide examples of how to render our Apps cool.

As previously stated, I'll hold the ultimate votes for about another week,
and then post the final results. I encourage listers who have not yet voted
to do so soon. I have no interest in skewing the stats this way or that,
and I am grateful for the respondents' votes thus far. I'm plugging each
pair of votes into a spreadsheet, and each time I receive a new pair of
votes I add a row to the XL range.

Thanks to all you voters so far. Before I close this poll, I shall wait a
week or so, and then post the final results. So far, these two new
"features" seem to have been wasted upon the developers' communtity. Two
possible explanations: a) too many of us have not seen the light; and b)
the Access team has missed the boat (or was ordered to miss the boat by
highers-up in the MS sphere).

Either way, I am pursuing this in two interests: a) how to help Access
developers find a new path, given that MS has abandoned us; b) by
identifying the weaknesses in the current Access "solutions", to provide a
growth path to a new development platform.

Currently I make no apologies for my allegiance to AlphaSoftware.com. It is
leagues above Access on every possible measure. I am currently writing
several docs about the transition from Access to Alpha Anywhere, which
shall soon be available on their site.

Let me state this at the outset: I receive no money from Alpha. It's
privately held so obviously I own no shares. I am un-compromised in any
way, with Alpha or any other company. I call them as I see them, and this
concerns movies, HBO series, and software development tools. Just to prove
the point, here are my totally disinterested votes (for readers who don't
understand the term "disinterested", it means that I own no shares) for the
greatest TV series ever made, followed by my votes for the Greatest
Software ever created (and in this category, you must understand this as
equivalent to the Baroque then Classic then Romantic eras).

The greatest TV series ever made, as viewed by Arthur...

1. The Sopranos, which led to everything else.
2. The Wire, in which I fell in love with Felicia Pearson, and also in a
different way, with Idris Elba.
3. Breaking Bad, which has so many great character portraits that it's hard
to know where to begin. The obvious choice is Mr. Cranston but it extends
much deeper than that.
4. Boardwalk Empire, starring Steve Buscemi and created by Terence Winter.

The history of PC software, as viewed by Arthur...

1. Apple SOS.
2. Dan Bricklin's VisiCalc, which changed the world.
3. Gary Killdall's CP/M, which also changed the world. Sadly, he chose not
to take a meeting with the IBM execs who flew to Albaquerque to meet with
him, because he was busy flying his personal plane at the time, and thereby
forewent a moment that could have changed history.
4. DOS, purchased from Seattle Products by Bill Gates for a mere $50K, and
marketed to IBM for inclusion in their first PC, and a tiny slice of the
action thereafter. Brilliant, Bill!
5. Apple steals the Mouse technology from PARC and releases the late
lamented first release.
6. Suddenly, everyone realizes that Mr. Joy was right (the mouse was Right
and Righteous, and things realign themselves. Jobs was right and the GUI
and mouse took over the world. Even upon its initial lousy entrance, the
die were cast, and the command line was over.
7. MS bastardizes Apple, who in turn bastardized Xerox, but I'll leave all
that to the history of lawyers.
8. MS bastardizes the Apple experience, but manages to win most of the
corporate and personal world, despite its shoddy implementations.
9. Open Source emerges, albeit very slowly, but MS senses a thread to its
jugular and presents a weak response -- which works in corporate America,
since they collectively represent a whore-house of recent Chinese
immigrants, some of whom have legal qualifications and some of whom arrived
in a shipping container. Most go to work in underpaid garment factories off
Spadina, and live in primitive dormatorys not much further away.

These people (I have done some research but do not pretend to exptertise)
choose to exploit the recent arriving Chinese -- I use that word as a
generic appellation for the numerous Chinese who arrive here: I know how to
speak a couple of dialects, but there are two hundred more to learn, and
frankly, most Taiwanese or Hong Kong or Shanghai people have the same
problem -- which creates for us a sharing experience. And this is my focus:
I do not want to declare war on anyone, either by force or by economic
means. Call me a hippie, if you wish, but I feel that this is the best
approach.

This entails solutions to which I have no ready response. I fear for the
life of the cable channels -- well actually that is not true -- I am glad
to see them die after years and years of forking us -- but what I meant was
that they have no chance in the future world.

I have a vision of the teleUnivsrse in which traditiona; cable has no
place, and neither do advertisers, except in special places which I shall
explain momentarily.

Consider me as the consumer of the future. I have several interests: BBC,
CBC, Al-Jareera, HBO and Tennis.com. No single TV provider can offer these
and only these to me. Therefore I go to NetFlix. Oops, I forgot my passions
for snooker and 8-ball and 9-ball. In sum, no TV provider in Canada or
elsewhere can deliver these and only these channels. Therefore, TV as we
knew it is dead. I have no glimmer what this means in terms of marketing
etc. I am concerned solely with what I want to view, and the collection of
market-delivered channels fails me big-time. Let me re-iterate in my most
specific terms (it doesn't matter whether you agree with my choices, but
rather that you decide your own choices: that is the point! No more
broadcasting, but rather narrow-casting).

IMO, the whole concept of Channels is obsolete. I want to move beyond this
and say instead, "Anything by Terence Winter or Chris Haddock, etc. is of
immediate interest".

To be sure, I don't want CBCTV to dry up and die. But I do want us
Canadians to realize the quality of TV we are delivering to the world. Let
me cite just a few:

da Vinci's Inquest
da Vinci's City Hall
Intelligence
Republic of Doyle
Heartland

I am at work on a project that I have vague hopes that will measure up to
these landmarks. It's a high bar to jump but I hope to at least equal these
measures. Frankly, I'm thinking that it will cost too much to make, but I
remain compelled to write it. The history of the Chinese in Canada remains
to be told. A couple of writers have tackled this and that aspect, but that
is IMO not even close to enough. So apparently it falls upon me to write
this ugly history. I accept that burden. I realize that I am far from the
best possible writer of this story, but since no one else is stepping
forward then I guess it's on me to tell these stories.

Many of them are sickening. The things that Canadians did to Chinese
workers, imported to blast the way through mountains, to carve a way from
Toronto to Vancouver... the more I read, the more I puke. This is stuff
that needs to be told. And maybe I'm not the greatest story-teller but
someone has to begin this story, and it would appear to be me, despite my
inadequate tools for the trade.

I have a few tools of the trade, but more importantly, I have nothing to
lose. This results in the ultimate freedom. I can call them as I see them,
and no one can pressure me this way or that to call it differently. This, I
have just realized, is Freedom! I am beyond self-interest, other-interest,
and so on. I think that I have achieved a new leverl hitherto unknown to me
-- a level beyond personal interests and investment in this or that
position -- a level that observes the politically/emotionally invested
positions as just another position on the 3D planes of opiinion, which
vaguely correspond to the 3D manifestations of these phenomenae.

Way beyond me. I think that it's time to go to sleep right now.


On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> Do I detect a pattern here?
>
> DO you suppose MS has looked at similar data and wondered why developers
> are
> not customizing their own ribbons or nav panes?
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 8:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll: Custom Ribbons and Custom Navigation Panes
>
> Arthur,
>
> No
>
> No
>
> Brad Marks
> Black Forest LTD
> Owatonna, MN
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Sat 10/19/2013 10:56 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Poll: Custom Ribbons and Custom Navigation Panes
>
> I'm curious as to how many of you Access developers have used either custom
> ribbons or custom navigation panes in apps you've developed since these
> features appeared in Access 2007.
>
> To get a better idea of the big picture, it would help if you'd vote Yes or
> No. Then I could do a count.
>
> As for me, I have to answer No to both categories.
>
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-- 
Arthur

From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Tue Oct 22 10:01:04 2013
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 10:01:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Running Access Reports While Logged Off - Mapping Problems
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All,

I have a number of Access reports that pull data from a purchased
product Firebird Database via ODBC.
These reports have worked nicely for several months running on a local
PC.

I would now like to move the execution of these report jobs to an
application server. 

Currently when these reports are run on the local PC (always logged on)
I employ a drive mapping to map the "Y" Drive to a server as shown here
-

Manufacturing on 'BLKFST10' (Y)


This works nicely, when the reports are run on the local PC because I am
always logged on to this PC.

When I started to move these report jobs to an application server, I
thought that I could simply use "UNCs" and change all references to the
"Y" drive to  \\BLKFST10\Manufacturing

I believe that this is needed, because the report jobs will be run in a
"logged off" mode and therefore drive mappings will not be available.

The catch is that when I try to change the Firebird ODBC Database Path
to use a UNC, it can no longer successfully connect to the database.  It
appears that this ODBC connection will not support UNCs.

Any ideas/insights would be most appreciated.

Thanks,
Brad     


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Tue Oct 22 10:53:39 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 11:53:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] The Future of Access
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Art no offense, and only some taken... I think that to say the future of
Access is dead and drive a herd of frightened sheep towards a "new" product
which you yourself are very comfortable with is kinda losing sight of some
reality markers.

First, if we are developers, we are going to develop what clients want to
buy/use/support. So unless I saw a demand from my client, I could not spare
the time to invest checking out the Alpha Anywhere alternative- whether or
not I wanted to become part of a group of 10 users or not.

I think that the first thing I would like to see is how many on this list,
besides you, are interested in and have time to taking a serious look at
the product and estimate the lc as well as how it works in the hands of the
average vba developer.

Why don't you offer to keep a list, OFFLIST of people on this list or
elsewhere of interested parties, their experience levels with this product,
with Access, and sql server... and come up with what community support
there is for it.

IT depts already say "no" to Access, often enough. I, as a contractor with
zero input into the tools of choice used at Capital One,  can't see anyone
here giving me anything other than a blank stare if I said "ok, so you
won't let us use access and you network sweepers go out across all our
machines looking for .mdbs and .accdbs to see who offenders are, so how
about Alpha Anywhere?" And I dont know if behind those blank stares would
be thoughts of admiration for my initiative, or their wonder how I slipped
in through the candidate selection process.

:)

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On Oct 22, 2013 5:31 AM, "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> NOT! MS has pretty much declared that Access has no future, at least among
> the developer community. So then. where is one to go? Visual Studio? A very
> steep climb. Alpha Anywhere is for my bet a much more profitable path, both
> intellectually and economically.
>
> I have emotional/intellectual bonds with Alpha, and the folks behind it
> have offered me a chance to bundle a bunch of you into a quantity-purchase
> of said product. First of all, let me declare that I have no shares or any
> other fiscal interest in Alpha, I simply love the software. Next, the Alpha
> people have offered me the opportunity to aggregate a group of developers
> into a group-purchase of the licensing.
>
> Before you bite the bullet, you can taste its treats by visiting
> www.alphasotware.com and follow the links. You can obtain a free trial
> there, and also view some vids describing the software.
>
> I am doing this as a service to the Access Developers community. I stand to
> gain zero dollars for these efforts. I am not in any way aligned in any
> economic sense with the folks behind Alpha, although I have become
> net-friends with the principals.
>
> And this is why they have offered an opportunity to all of you, via me.
> Here's the nut:
>
> Alpha Anywhere beats Access and Visual Studio and RoR, no contest.
> You can grab a 20-day trial from AlphaSoftware.com. The demos are
> astounding. Way way way beyond Northwind.
>
> So here's the deal. Visit Alpha's web site, download a trial version,
> inspect the demos, and decide whether this is a path worth investment. If
> you decide Yes, and a minimum of ten of you do decide Yes, then I can
> arrange a bulk-purchase. You don't have to say Yes at once. Download the
> trial and see the future of your development projects.
>
> I've already stated it but I'll say it again: I have no fiscal interest in
> this project or the privately-held company. I do work with the team and
> have embarked on writing some articles about the transition from Access to
> Alpha Anywhere, ultimately to be posted on their web site. I am receiving
> no remuneration for these efforts. I am as objective as can be.
>
> Back to the subject,the future of Access. In a word, None.
>
> Download the trial edition. Walk through the tuts. See what can be done
> with this remarkable software. And if you like what you see, I can arrange
> a bulk purchase of Alpha Anywhere, for a significant discount from the
> individual price.
>
> Why, you might ask, am I doing this? First of all, I stand absolutely no
> fiscal gain. I'm doing this because a) I love the software', and b) as an
> Access developer and (I like to think) a significant contributor to our
> community, and c) as a consequence of my active participation in the Access
> developers community, I recognize that MS has failed us dramatically, and
> we need a new place to go.
>
> So here's the deal. 1) Download the trial from www.alphasoftware.com. 2)
> Take the demos for a spin. 3) If you like what you see, contact me
> privately and join the bulk-purchase thing that II have arranged with
> Alpha. It won't cost you a cent up front, and there will be no deal until I
> get at least 10 people willing to participate.
>
> Let me re-state this: I have absolutely no fiscal interest in doing this. I
> am doing this because a) I love the Alpha software; b) like many Access
> developers, I have hit the wall that MS built; and c) I have built many
> cyber-friendships with Access developers all around the world, and have
> learned much from them, and feel the need to pay back.
>
> So... here's what to do. First, download the trial Alpha Anywhere. Second,
> play with the samples. Third, decide whether you want into this new
> platform. Fourth, email me privately that you want into the bulk purchase
> that I am trying to build.
>
> It won't cost you a penny until we achieve the threshold of 10 particpants.
> And at the risk of repitition, I stand to gain absolutely no remuneration
> from this effort. I have talked with the people at Alpha, and in fact this
> was their idea not mine. But this is the bottom line: MS has abandoned us
> Access developers, and Alpha offers an elegant way out and a way into the
> future.
>
> If you're feeling trapped in Access or for that matter in Visual Studio,
> please download the trial edition of Alpha, and if you like what you see,
> get back to me and I'll put you on my list for a bulk-purchase.
>
> If I sound like an evangelist for Alpha, then I plead Guilty, but I must
> re-state that I stand to gain absolutely nothing in the way of payment or
> anything else. I asked them for a couple of gorgeous hookers, for an
> evening, but they declined :) So I still have my integrity intact LOL.
>
> --
> Arthur
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From rford at terra.com.br  Tue Oct 22 11:06:37 2013
From: rford at terra.com.br (Roberto Ford Long)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 14:06:37 -0200
Subject: [AccessD] RES: [Spam] Running Access Reports While Logged Off -
	Mapping Problems
Message-ID: <002801cecf40$b0599300$110cb900$@terra.com.br>

                Hi Brad.

                I have some old clients that I converted the Access Backend
to firebird and connected frontend to firebird with Firebird ODBC driver.

                Actually I develop my applications with Delphi and Firebird.

                It's not clear to me, how did you connect to firebird. Can
you detail more your ODBC conn. settings?

                Can you provide me the firebird version installed? And SO
version too.

                I'm asking that because I think that something is wrong with
your ODBC setting.

                Regards,

                Roberto.

 

                


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Tue Oct 22 12:10:20 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 21:10:20 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?The_Future_of_Access?=
Message-ID: <1382461820.562959957@f246.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Arthur --

All that sounds (here) like Herbalife or  Sildenafil citrate? ads I must admit :)?
Kidding...

If seriously I have glanced one of their videos for developers - and I've got an impression they have very few resources to make real videos to convince serious developers - the videos are of introductory level, developer's IDE looks like a toy - and then they invite to download and to try their tutorials - all that sounds very much alike to the business/life style training courses teasers...

I can be wrong, I could have missed real stuff from their site, would you be so kind to post here a good set of links on such real stuff, as well as ask Alpha Anywere to open source at least one middle size modern application they have built using Alpha Anywhere....

Thank you.

-- Shamil

Tuesday, October 22, 2013 5:30 AM -04:00 from Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>:
>NOT! MS has pretty much declared that Access has no future, at least among
>the developer community. So then. where is one to go? Visual Studio? A very
>steep climb. Alpha Anywhere is for my bet a much more profitable path, both
>intellectually and economically.
>
>I have emotional/intellectual bonds with Alpha, and the folks behind it
>have offered me a chance to bundle a bunch of you into a quantity-purchase
>of said product. First of all, let me declare that I have no shares or any
>other fiscal interest in Alpha, I simply love the software. Next, the Alpha
>people have offered me the opportunity to aggregate a group of developers
>into a group-purchase of the licensing.
>
>Before you bite the bullet, you can taste its treats by visiting
>www.alphasotware.com and follow the links. You can obtain a free trial
>there, and also view some vids describing the software.
>
>I am doing this as a service to the Access Developers community. I stand to
>gain zero dollars for these efforts. I am not in any way aligned in any
>economic sense with the folks behind Alpha, although I have become
>net-friends with the principals.
>
>And this is why they have offered an opportunity to all of you, via me.
>Here's the nut:
>
>Alpha Anywhere beats Access and Visual Studio and RoR, no contest.
>You can grab a 20-day trial from AlphaSoftware.com. The demos are
>astounding. Way way way beyond Northwind.
>
>So here's the deal. Visit Alpha's web site, download a trial version,
>inspect the demos, and decide whether this is a path worth investment. If
>you decide Yes, and a minimum of ten of you do decide Yes, then I can
>arrange a bulk-purchase. You don't have to say Yes at once. Download the
>trial and see the future of your development projects.
>
>I've already stated it but I'll say it again: I have no fiscal interest in
>this project or the privately-held company. I do work with the team and
>have embarked on writing some articles about the transition from Access to
>Alpha Anywhere, ultimately to be posted on their web site. I am receiving
>no remuneration for these efforts. I am as objective as can be.
>
>Back to the subject,the future of Access. In a word, None.
>
>Download the trial edition. Walk through the tuts. See what can be done
>with this remarkable software. And if you like what you see, I can arrange
>a bulk purchase of Alpha Anywhere, for a significant discount from the
>individual price.
>
>Why, you might ask, am I doing this? First of all, I stand absolutely no
>fiscal gain. I'm doing this because a) I love the software', and b) as an
>Access developer and (I like to think) a significant contributor to our
>community, and c) as a consequence of my active participation in the Access
>developers community, I recognize that MS has failed us dramatically, and
>we need a new place to go.
>
>So here's the deal. 1) Download the trial from  www.alphasoftware.com . 2)
>Take the demos for a spin. 3) If you like what you see, contact me
>privately and join the bulk-purchase thing that II have arranged with
>Alpha. It won't cost you a cent up front, and there will be no deal until I
>get at least 10 people willing to participate.
>
>Let me re-state this: I have absolutely no fiscal interest in doing this. I
>am doing this because a) I love the Alpha software; b) like many Access
>developers, I have hit the wall that MS built; and c) I have built many
>cyber-friendships with Access developers all around the world, and have
>learned much from them, and feel the need to pay back.
>
>So... here's what to do. First, download the trial Alpha Anywhere. Second,
>play with the samples. Third, decide whether you want into this new
>platform. Fourth, email me privately that you want into the bulk purchase
>that I am trying to build.
>
>It won't cost you a penny until we achieve the threshold of 10 particpants.
>And at the risk of repitition, I stand to gain absolutely no remuneration
>from this effort. I have talked with the people at Alpha, and in fact this
>was their idea not mine. But this is the bottom line: MS has abandoned us
>Access developers, and Alpha offers an elegant way out and a way into the
>future.
>
>If you're feeling trapped in Access or for that matter in Visual Studio,
>please download the trial edition of Alpha, and if you like what you see,
>get back to me and I'll put you on my list for a bulk-purchase.
>
>If I sound like an evangelist for Alpha, then I plead Guilty, but I must
>re-state that I stand to gain absolutely nothing in the way of payment or
>anything else. I asked them for a couple of gorgeous hookers, for an
>evening, but they declined :) So I still have my integrity intact LOL.
>
>-- 
>Arthur
>-- 
>AccessD mailing list
>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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-- 
???????????? ??????

From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Tue Oct 22 12:25:40 2013
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 13:25:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] DSN - Less connection to Oracle
Message-ID: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F98021060644C@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>

Hi listers,

Does anyone out there know of a suitable connection string to use to connect Access (2010) to Oracle, using the Oracle ODBC driver, and also with the intentions of doing this is a DSN-less setup?

Thanks,

Lambert
(Cross posted to ACCESSD and ACCESS-L)



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Oct 22 12:28:57 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 13:28:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] The Future of Access
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V5CzBkVDOj5oOnq0k6e1jshTxdC3N4AsPY0mMyG4B10aA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hAPdobo_5D=BVQxYYULnsM854srKdEG5wkvAYL2TtmVw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGuQ9V5CzBkVDOj5oOnq0k6e1jshTxdC3N4AsPY0mMyG4B10aA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1izcgQPGkd0AVkT7c_A1uq34CyhdsjptkHPy=tf9PX0QQ@mail.gmail.com>

I guess that this should be directed to Bryan, rather than the general
public, but anyway, here is my proposition:

a) Let us form a new sub-group dedicated to Alpha Anywhere.
b) Let us provide intial links to the free trial download of said software.

I am totally sold on this software, and also totally willing to provide
whatever help I can to make this transition work. This company and its
people ROCK. And I have bought into their vision of the future of software
development. And in case that any of you old farts remember a software
called VisiCalc, guess who is Alpha's new CTO. I'll give you a hint: his
surname is Bricklin, and he stands as one of my gods of software
development.

Ok, for you younger beasts in the wilderness, Dan wrote VisiCalc and
founded the (r)evolution of PC software into the  corporate world.

He has already made jillions of dollars, so he had no need to take this gig
as a JAG (jst another gig).

This hire proves to me that the Alpha company is prepared to play serious
poker. And frankly, I belive that they not only kick the ass off Access,
but also willing to step into the Visual Studio ring. My bet is on Alpha.


On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 11:53 AM, William Benson <vbacreations at gmail.com>wrote:

> Art no offense, and only some taken... I think that to say the future of
> Access is dead and drive a herd of frightened sheep towards a "new" product
> which you yourself are very comfortable with is kinda losing sight of some
> reality markers.
>
> First, if we are developers, we are going to develop what clients want to
> buy/use/support. So unless I saw a demand from my client, I could not spare
> the time to invest checking out the Alpha Anywhere alternative- whether or
> not I wanted to become part of a group of 10 users or not.
>
> I think that the first thing I would like to see is how many on this list,
> besides you, are interested in and have time to taking a serious look at
> the product and estimate the lc as well as how it works in the hands of the
> average vba developer.
>
> Why don't you offer to keep a list, OFFLIST of people on this list or
> elsewhere of interested parties, their experience levels with this product,
> with Access, and sql server... and come up with what community support
> there is for it.
>
> IT depts already say "no" to Access, often enough. I, as a contractor with
> zero input into the tools of choice used at Capital One,  can't see anyone
> here giving me anything other than a blank stare if I said "ok, so you
> won't let us use access and you network sweepers go out across all our
> machines looking for .mdbs and .accdbs to see who offenders are, so how
> about Alpha Anywhere?" And I dont know if behind those blank stares would
> be thoughts of admiration for my initiative, or their wonder how I slipped
> in through the candidate selection process.
>
> :)
>
> .......... .......... .......... .......... ..........
> Sent from my Android device
> with automatic features such as:
>
>      *   multiple letter transposition
>      *   unagreed to word substitutions
>      *   no bothersome spell checking
>      *   reinsertion of leftover text
>           after it's been deleted
> .......... .......... .......... .......... ..........
> On Oct 22, 2013 5:31 AM, "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > NOT! MS has pretty much declared that Access has no future, at least
> among
> > the developer community. So then. where is one to go? Visual Studio? A
> very
> > steep climb. Alpha Anywhere is for my bet a much more profitable path,
> both
> > intellectually and economically.
> >
> > I have emotional/intellectual bonds with Alpha, and the folks behind it
> > have offered me a chance to bundle a bunch of you into a
> quantity-purchase
> > of said product. First of all, let me declare that I have no shares or
> any
> > other fiscal interest in Alpha, I simply love the software. Next, the
> Alpha
> > people have offered me the opportunity to aggregate a group of developers
> > into a group-purchase of the licensing.
> >
> > Before you bite the bullet, you can taste its treats by visiting
> > www.alphasotware.com and follow the links. You can obtain a free trial
> > there, and also view some vids describing the software.
> >
> > I am doing this as a service to the Access Developers community. I stand
> to
> > gain zero dollars for these efforts. I am not in any way aligned in any
> > economic sense with the folks behind Alpha, although I have become
> > net-friends with the principals.
> >
> > And this is why they have offered an opportunity to all of you, via me.
> > Here's the nut:
> >
> > Alpha Anywhere beats Access and Visual Studio and RoR, no contest.
> > You can grab a 20-day trial from AlphaSoftware.com. The demos are
> > astounding. Way way way beyond Northwind.
> >
> > So here's the deal. Visit Alpha's web site, download a trial version,
> > inspect the demos, and decide whether this is a path worth investment. If
> > you decide Yes, and a minimum of ten of you do decide Yes, then I can
> > arrange a bulk-purchase. You don't have to say Yes at once. Download the
> > trial and see the future of your development projects.
> >
> > I've already stated it but I'll say it again: I have no fiscal interest
> in
> > this project or the privately-held company. I do work with the team and
> > have embarked on writing some articles about the transition from Access
> to
> > Alpha Anywhere, ultimately to be posted on their web site. I am receiving
> > no remuneration for these efforts. I am as objective as can be.
> >
> > Back to the subject,the future of Access. In a word, None.
> >
> > Download the trial edition. Walk through the tuts. See what can be done
> > with this remarkable software. And if you like what you see, I can
> arrange
> > a bulk purchase of Alpha Anywhere, for a significant discount from the
> > individual price.
> >
> > Why, you might ask, am I doing this? First of all, I stand absolutely no
> > fiscal gain. I'm doing this because a) I love the software', and b) as an
> > Access developer and (I like to think) a significant contributor to our
> > community, and c) as a consequence of my active participation in the
> Access
> > developers community, I recognize that MS has failed us dramatically, and
> > we need a new place to go.
> >
> > So here's the deal. 1) Download the trial from www.alphasoftware.com. 2)
> > Take the demos for a spin. 3) If you like what you see, contact me
> > privately and join the bulk-purchase thing that II have arranged with
> > Alpha. It won't cost you a cent up front, and there will be no deal
> until I
> > get at least 10 people willing to participate.
> >
> > Let me re-state this: I have absolutely no fiscal interest in doing
> this. I
> > am doing this because a) I love the Alpha software; b) like many Access
> > developers, I have hit the wall that MS built; and c) I have built many
> > cyber-friendships with Access developers all around the world, and have
> > learned much from them, and feel the need to pay back.
> >
> > So... here's what to do. First, download the trial Alpha Anywhere.
> Second,
> > play with the samples. Third, decide whether you want into this new
> > platform. Fourth, email me privately that you want into the bulk purchase
> > that I am trying to build.
> >
> > It won't cost you a penny until we achieve the threshold of 10
> particpants.
> > And at the risk of repitition, I stand to gain absolutely no remuneration
> > from this effort. I have talked with the people at Alpha, and in fact
> this
> > was their idea not mine. But this is the bottom line: MS has abandoned us
> > Access developers, and Alpha offers an elegant way out and a way into the
> > future.
> >
> > If you're feeling trapped in Access or for that matter in Visual Studio,
> > please download the trial edition of Alpha, and if you like what you see,
> > get back to me and I'll put you on my list for a bulk-purchase.
> >
> > If I sound like an evangelist for Alpha, then I plead Guilty, but I must
> > re-state that I stand to gain absolutely nothing in the way of payment or
> > anything else. I asked them for a couple of gorgeous hookers, for an
> > evening, but they declined :) So I still have my integrity intact LOL.
> >
> > --
> > Arthur
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Oct 22 12:43:56 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 10:43:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access on a tablet
Message-ID: <9AF1277F3844494292C6C28B39C8A90C@HAL9007>

Dear Lists:
 
Is there a tablet comp that will run Access or at least a run-time access
app?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Oct 22 12:47:49 2013
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 13:47:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] DSN - Less connection to Oracle
In-Reply-To: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F98021060644C@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
References: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F98021060644C@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <34E203A4C5FC4318999181B4296D17EE@XPS>


 Don't know myself off-hand, but www.connectionstrings.com is usually the
place to look.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 01:26 PM
To: 'Access-D Email (accessd at databaseadvisors.com)'; 'ACCESS-L Owner
(ACCESS-L-request at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM)'
Subject: [AccessD] DSN - Less connection to Oracle

Hi listers,

Does anyone out there know of a suitable connection string to use to connect
Access (2010) to Oracle, using the Oracle ODBC driver, and also with the
intentions of doing this is a DSN-less setup?

Thanks,

Lambert
(Cross posted to ACCESSD and ACCESS-L)


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 22 12:48:43 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 11:48:43 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Running Access Reports While Logged Off - Mapping
 Problems
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501B0A036@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <484617755.38218602.1382464123614.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Brad:

Just a thought as this may not be the best answer but I have been moving a number of old reports from MS Access and Informix to web scripts. I have the programs build and write a HTML text file to the disk and then print the file to the printer. All the new printers seem to be able to handle basic html code (it works as good as Postscript and it is a lot easier to work with).

It does take a while to produce a definitive script generator, depending what programming language you are using, for the specific report but once designed the resulting script will work anywhere. 

Note: use percentages for cell sizes and DIV tags for the report so it will adapt to any printer paper size automatically. (This is grossly simplified of course...)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad Marks" <BradM at blackforestltd.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 8:01:04 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Running Access Reports While Logged Off - Mapping Problems

All,

I have a number of Access reports that pull data from a purchased
product Firebird Database via ODBC.
These reports have worked nicely for several months running on a local
PC.

I would now like to move the execution of these report jobs to an
application server. 

Currently when these reports are run on the local PC (always logged on)
I employ a drive mapping to map the "Y" Drive to a server as shown here
-

Manufacturing on 'BLKFST10' (Y)


This works nicely, when the reports are run on the local PC because I am
always logged on to this PC.

When I started to move these report jobs to an application server, I
thought that I could simply use "UNCs" and change all references to the
"Y" drive to  \\BLKFST10\Manufacturing

I believe that this is needed, because the report jobs will be run in a
"logged off" mode and therefore drive mappings will not be available.

The catch is that when I try to change the Firebird ODBC Database Path
to use a UNC, it can no longer successfully connect to the database.  It
appears that this ODBC connection will not support UNCs.

Any ideas/insights would be most appreciated.

Thanks,
Brad     

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From Rusty.Hammond at cpiqpc.com  Tue Oct 22 13:02:07 2013
From: Rusty.Hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 13:02:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access on a tablet
In-Reply-To: <9AF1277F3844494292C6C28B39C8A90C@HAL9007>
References: <9AF1277F3844494292C6C28B39C8A90C@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701F39046E@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>

Rocky,

Only one I know if is the Microsoft Surface - NOT the RT version.  I
have never used one but just know what I've read.  It runs the full
version of Windows 8 and therefore any applications that can run under
Windows 8.  I think I saw an advertisement that they will be coming out
with a new version of the Surface tablet next month so you may want to
wait a few weeks before purchasing one.


HTH,
Rusty
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 12:44 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List; 'Off
Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Access on a tablet

Dear Lists:
 
Is there a tablet comp that will run Access or at least a run-time
access app?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From dbdoug at gmail.com  Tue Oct 22 13:02:15 2013
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 11:02:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access on a tablet
In-Reply-To: <9AF1277F3844494292C6C28B39C8A90C@HAL9007>
References: <9AF1277F3844494292C6C28B39C8A90C@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAFa8NkinGgN_dH3e7gq5VnVKN2TuHr0Fiagvt5wAC6CPdFpncw@mail.gmail.com>

The MS Surface (not the Surface RT) runs the full Office versions.

Doug


On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> Dear Lists:
>
> Is there a tablet comp that will run Access or at least a run-time access
> app?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/>
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
>
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>
>

From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 22 13:08:40 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 12:08:40 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] DSN - Less connection to Oracle
In-Reply-To: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F98021060644C@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <18967811.38239752.1382465320651.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Lambert:

Have you checked out the following site yet? It might help.

http://www.connectionstrings.com/

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lambert Heenan" <Lambert.Heenan at aig.com>
To: "Access-D Email (accessd at databaseadvisors.com)" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>, "ACCESS-L Owner (ACCESS-L-request at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM)" <ACCESS-L-request at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM>
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 10:25:40 AM
Subject: [AccessD] DSN - Less connection to Oracle

Hi listers,

Does anyone out there know of a suitable connection string to use to connect Access (2010) to Oracle, using the Oracle ODBC driver, and also with the intentions of doing this is a DSN-less setup?

Thanks,

Lambert
(Cross posted to ACCESSD and ACCESS-L)


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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Oct 22 13:15:57 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 11:15:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access on a tablet
In-Reply-To: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701F39046E@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
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	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701F39046E@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
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Not for me.  I got a nice Asus laptop in a class action suit against
eMachines (don't ask).  That's good enough for a guy who tries never to
leave home. :)

R


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 11:02 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; List; Off Topic
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access on a tablet

Rocky,

Only one I know if is the Microsoft Surface - NOT the RT version.  I have
never used one but just know what I've read.  It runs the full version of
Windows 8 and therefore any applications that can run under Windows 8.  I
think I saw an advertisement that they will be coming out with a new version
of the Surface tablet next month so you may want to wait a few weeks before
purchasing one.


HTH,
Rusty
 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 12:44 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Access on a tablet

Dear Lists:
 
Is there a tablet comp that will run Access or at least a run-time access
app?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Oct 22 13:29:51 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 11:29:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Controlling Multi-Users
Message-ID: <ED21A047E5704D70BACC95956D9EF8D9@HAL9007>

Dear List:
 
I have always sold my commercial app as a site license - not restrictions by
user/seat/client. But I have a client now who is trying to turn his in-house
system into a commercial product and wants to sell by the seat.  And so I am
exploring options to be able to control access by the user.  
 
I'm thinking that the best way would be number of users connected to the
back end.  But have not done this is Access before.
 
Has anyone done this and can give me a toehold on the best way to go about
it?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Oct 22 13:31:04 2013
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 14:31:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access on a tablet
In-Reply-To: <9AF1277F3844494292C6C28B39C8A90C@HAL9007>
References: <9AF1277F3844494292C6C28B39C8A90C@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <1F0E9F2577EA44C19C42614356CE65C9@XPS>


 Tablets haven't had the horse power to run windows style apps well.   What
you looking for is a net book that masquerades as a tablet<g>

So besides the Microsoft Surface mentioned, you also have things like:

http://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-ThinkPad-33476LU-13-Inch-Convertible/dp/B00BFFD
F3I/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1382466325&sr=8-6&keywords=lenovo+ultrabook

The screen twists, then folds flat and viola, a "tablet".

I've got one client where the president has one of these.  I was playing
with it just last week and I think it will be my next purchase.  13" screen,
8GB of memory, and an i7 processor.  Runs everything fine.  Pretty light
weight too even though it's really not a tablet.

Jim.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 01:44 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Access on a tablet

Dear Lists:
 
Is there a tablet comp that will run Access or at least a run-time access
app?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 22 13:33:46 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 12:33:46 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Access on a tablet
In-Reply-To: <9AF1277F3844494292C6C28B39C8A90C@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <1606167890.38268689.1382466826792.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Rocky:

Any product that can run Linux...

Just a few days ago ran up a copy of Access 2003 on a client's Ubuntu 13.04 Linux box and it installed without issue...almost brain dead simple. (It had the product "Wine" pre-installed.)

I have not installed it on a tablet but according to Google there are a number of tablets that can run either Linux and Android. (http://www.ubuntu.com/tablet) ...but as far as I know Android can not support MS Office...yet...but maybe soon as current versions of desktop Office go directly after the hardware to gain performance and maybe to protect their products from wandering to an enemy OS. ;-) (Steven Ballmer hinted at a more universal product version but no today). 

http://www.howtogeek.com/171565/how-to-install-microsoft-office-on-linux/

Jim

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Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 10:43:56 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Access on a tablet

Dear Lists:
 
Is there a tablet comp that will run Access or at least a run-time access
app?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

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From john.k.serrano at gmail.com  Tue Oct 22 13:36:50 2013
From: john.k.serrano at gmail.com (John Serrano)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 14:36:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access on a tablet
In-Reply-To: <9AF1277F3844494292C6C28B39C8A90C@HAL9007>
References: <9AF1277F3844494292C6C28B39C8A90C@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CANJ6OHjh2Z54uum2C5arzg5M0gedg3EbeeZ_Q3QzuOe8hWu=cA@mail.gmail.com>

Surface Pro, will run a full version of MS Access.
The tablet is a bit pricey. You would also have to get the pro version as
the RT version will not run MS Access.
http://www.microsoft.com/surface/en-us/products/overview


On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> Dear Lists:
>
> Is there a tablet comp that will run Access or at least a run-time access
> app?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/>
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Oct 22 13:44:33 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 11:44:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access on a tablet
In-Reply-To: <1606167890.38268689.1382466826792.JavaMail.root@cds002>
References: <9AF1277F3844494292C6C28B39C8A90C@HAL9007>
	<1606167890.38268689.1382466826792.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <07318D84EB6847848C4BF6C3668E91BF@HAL9007>

That's interesting.  Are there Linux tablets that could then run an Access
app using Wine?

r 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 11:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access on a tablet

Hi Rocky:

Any product that can run Linux...

Just a few days ago ran up a copy of Access 2003 on a client's Ubuntu 13.04
Linux box and it installed without issue...almost brain dead simple. (It had
the product "Wine" pre-installed.)

I have not installed it on a tablet but according to Google there are a
number of tablets that can run either Linux and Android.
(http://www.ubuntu.com/tablet) ...but as far as I know Android can not
support MS Office...yet...but maybe soon as current versions of desktop
Office go directly after the hardware to gain performance and maybe to
protect their products from wandering to an enemy OS. ;-) (Steven Ballmer
hinted at a more universal product version but no today). 

http://www.howtogeek.com/171565/how-to-install-microsoft-office-on-linux/

Jim

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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>, "List" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>, "Off
Topic" <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 10:43:56 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Access on a tablet

Dear Lists:
 
Is there a tablet comp that will run Access or at least a run-time access
app?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

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From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Tue Oct 22 13:45:04 2013
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 14:45:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] DSN - Less connection to Oracle
In-Reply-To: <18967811.38239752.1382465320651.JavaMail.root@cds002>
References: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F98021060644C@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
	<18967811.38239752.1382465320651.JavaMail.root@cds002>
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Jim and Jim,

Thanks guys. Looks good.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 2:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DSN - Less connection to Oracle

Hi Lambert:

Have you checked out the following site yet? It might help.

http://www.connectionstrings.com/

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lambert Heenan" <Lambert.Heenan at aig.com>
To: "Access-D Email (accessd at databaseadvisors.com)" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>, "ACCESS-L Owner (ACCESS-L-request at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM)" <ACCESS-L-request at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM>
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 10:25:40 AM
Subject: [AccessD] DSN - Less connection to Oracle

Hi listers,

Does anyone out there know of a suitable connection string to use to connect Access (2010) to Oracle, using the Oracle ODBC driver, and also with the intentions of doing this is a DSN-less setup?

Thanks,

Lambert
(Cross posted to ACCESSD and ACCESS-L)


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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Tue Oct 22 13:48:17 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 22:48:17 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Access_on_a_tablet?=
References: <9AF1277F3844494292C6C28B39C8A90C@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <1382467697.589643060@f294.i.mail.ru>

 John --

Yes, just a note that it's called Surface Pro 2 now - the new tablet released this year.
And "RT version" is called Surface now. As I have already noted in dba-tech Surface should be able to run Office 365 based MS Access apps deployed on Office 365 ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N1Bv2gyg60 ). Of course "good old mdb/accdb" MS ACcess apps will have to be redesigned/refactored to get them running via Office 365. And that redesigning/refactoring promise to be a lot of work...

BTW, here is yet another "Surface tablet" -?
Nokia Lumia 2520 :
http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/22/nokia-lumia-2520-hands-on/

-- Shamil


Tuesday, October 22, 2013 2:36 PM -04:00 from John Serrano <john.k.serrano at gmail.com>:
>Surface Pro, will run a full version of MS Access.
>The tablet is a bit pricey. You would also have to get the pro version as
>the RT version will not run MS Access.
>http://www.microsoft.com/surface/en-us/products/overview
>
>
>On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Rocky Smolin < rockysmolin at bchacc.com >wrote:
>
>> Dear Lists:
>>
>> Is there a tablet comp that will run Access or at least a run-time access
>> app?
>>
>> MTIA
>>
>> Rocky Smolin
>> Beach Access Software
>> 858-259-4334
>>  www.bchacc.com < http://www.bchacc.com/ >
>>  www.e-z-mrp.com < http://www.e-z-mrp.com/ >
>> Skype: rocky.smolin
>>
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From df.waters at comcast.net  Tue Oct 22 13:54:45 2013
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 13:54:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Controlling Multi-Users
In-Reply-To: <ED21A047E5704D70BACC95956D9EF8D9@HAL9007>
References: <ED21A047E5704D70BACC95956D9EF8D9@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <002501cecf58$2d220900$87661b00$@comcast.net>

Hi Rocky,

I currently do this - but I hook into the .mdw file, not the data file.

I'll send some info in a few hours off-line.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 1:30 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Controlling Multi-Users

Dear List:
 
I have always sold my commercial app as a site license - not restrictions by
user/seat/client. But I have a client now who is trying to turn his in-house
system into a commercial product and wants to sell by the seat.  And so I am
exploring options to be able to control access by the user.  
 
I'm thinking that the best way would be number of users connected to the
back end.  But have not done this is Access before.
 
Has anyone done this and can give me a toehold on the best way to go about
it?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Tue Oct 22 14:18:21 2013
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 14:18:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access on a tablet
In-Reply-To: <9AF1277F3844494292C6C28B39C8A90C@HAL9007>
References: <9AF1277F3844494292C6C28B39C8A90C@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <00f601cecf5b$79f647c0$6de2d740$@winhaven.net>

Any tablet that runs Windows 8. MS Surface and most major PC vendors now
have tablets and convertible combo units that do. I haven't checked if
Windows 8RT runs Access. 8RT devices come with MS Office but I haven't
checked (beyond Word and Excel) what that includes.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 12:44 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Access on a tablet

Dear Lists:
 
Is there a tablet comp that will run Access or at least a run-time access
app?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 


From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Tue Oct 22 14:18:33 2013
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 12:18:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] The Future of Access
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hAPdobo_5D=BVQxYYULnsM854srKdEG5wkvAYL2TtmVw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hAPdobo_5D=BVQxYYULnsM854srKdEG5wkvAYL2TtmVw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWZEp3OZanuBOwkwNDw9v3vb+__5eJwn4fF6_f6RXvqE7Q@mail.gmail.com>

IMO Access is being migrated into two camps:

SharePoint for power users
Visual Studio for developers.


Heck, our company is completely getting rid of all local Client-server apps
and moving everything to cloud based apps.

From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Oct 22 14:37:55 2013
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 15:37:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Controlling Multi-Users
In-Reply-To: <ED21A047E5704D70BACC95956D9EF8D9@HAL9007>
References: <ED21A047E5704D70BACC95956D9EF8D9@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <4F68F8AC981C4E72BA65AEF4AD0E33DA@XPS>

Rocky,

Might want to look at this:

http://www.peterssoftware.com/ka.htm

It's reasonably priced.  Haven't used it myself, so can't say how well it
works or not.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 02:30 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Controlling Multi-Users

Dear List:
 
I have always sold my commercial app as a site license - not restrictions by
user/seat/client. But I have a client now who is trying to turn his in-house
system into a commercial product and wants to sell by the seat.  And so I am
exploring options to be able to control access by the user.  
 
I'm thinking that the best way would be number of users connected to the
back end.  But have not done this is Access before.
 
Has anyone done this and can give me a toehold on the best way to go about
it?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Oct 22 14:53:22 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 12:53:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Controlling Multi-Users
In-Reply-To: <4F68F8AC981C4E72BA65AEF4AD0E33DA@XPS>
References: <ED21A047E5704D70BACC95956D9EF8D9@HAL9007>
	<4F68F8AC981C4E72BA65AEF4AD0E33DA@XPS>
Message-ID: <9E5D6D9F374F4E1A8CE63E778E742D7B@HAL9007>

Thanks.  Will forward to the  client.

R

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 12:38 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Controlling Multi-Users

Rocky,

Might want to look at this:

http://www.peterssoftware.com/ka.htm

It's reasonably priced.  Haven't used it myself, so can't say how well it
works or not.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 02:30 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Controlling Multi-Users

Dear List:
 
I have always sold my commercial app as a site license - not restrictions by
user/seat/client. But I have a client now who is trying to turn his in-house
system into a commercial product and wants to sell by the seat.  And so I am
exploring options to be able to control access by the user.  
 
I'm thinking that the best way would be number of users connected to the
back end.  But have not done this is Access before.
 
Has anyone done this and can give me a toehold on the best way to go about
it?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Tue Oct 22 15:07:51 2013
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 15:07:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Running Access Reports While Logged Off - Mapping
	Problems - Solution Found (I think)
References: <CAEPJO1i6=Zxeo70FW1GQcjaG4p1oc_CUYirQv7ZEhooB2b=r9g@mail.gmail.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50163B536@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><827C8B94ACE245D285A9F54FCF703D56@HAL9007><CAEPJO1hQwQQqZgdMAfGJZe+NNHdWYehLf7jOAMpf=b1_zmyD5w@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501B0A036@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501B0A09B@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

All,

I believe that I have found a solution.

I wrote a small script that uses "Net Use" to establish a mapped drive
when the Report Job is being run in "logged off" mode.  This script is
automatically run before the generation of the Access reports.

This approach seems to work in my initial testing.  I have never used
the "Net Use" command before and I have a little concern that this might
not be the best approach, but it seems to work so far.

Brad  


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 10:01 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Running Access Reports While Logged Off - Mapping
Problems

All,

I have a number of Access reports that pull data from a purchased
product Firebird Database via ODBC.
These reports have worked nicely for several months running on a local
PC.

I would now like to move the execution of these report jobs to an
application server. 

Currently when these reports are run on the local PC (always logged on)
I employ a drive mapping to map the "Y" Drive to a server as shown here
-

Manufacturing on 'BLKFST10' (Y)


This works nicely, when the reports are run on the local PC because I am
always logged on to this PC.

When I started to move these report jobs to an application server, I
thought that I could simply use "UNCs" and change all references to the
"Y" drive to  \\BLKFST10\Manufacturing

I believe that this is needed, because the report jobs will be run in a
"logged off" mode and therefore drive mappings will not be available.

The catch is that when I try to change the Firebird ODBC Database Path
to use a UNC, it can no longer successfully connect to the database.  It
appears that this ODBC connection will not support UNCs.

Any ideas/insights would be most appreciated.

Thanks,
Brad     

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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Oct 22 15:51:42 2013
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 16:51:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Controlling Multi-Users
In-Reply-To: <9E5D6D9F374F4E1A8CE63E778E742D7B@HAL9007>
References: <ED21A047E5704D70BACC95956D9EF8D9@HAL9007>
	<4F68F8AC981C4E72BA65AEF4AD0E33DA@XPS>
	<9E5D6D9F374F4E1A8CE63E778E742D7B@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <B0572F5A5FA84A3AACFB836EB157E054@XPS>

Rocky,

 I should have added that it's been recommended on EE numerous times and no
one ever has come back and complained about anything with it, nor have I
seen any bad press about it. It's been around for a number of years as well.

 Didn't want to leave you with the impression that it doesn't work, I just
haven't used it myself.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 03:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Controlling Multi-Users

Thanks.  Will forward to the  client.

R

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 12:38 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Controlling Multi-Users

Rocky,

Might want to look at this:

http://www.peterssoftware.com/ka.htm

It's reasonably priced.  Haven't used it myself, so can't say how well it
works or not.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 02:30 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Controlling Multi-Users

Dear List:
 
I have always sold my commercial app as a site license - not restrictions by
user/seat/client. But I have a client now who is trying to turn his in-house
system into a commercial product and wants to sell by the seat.  And so I am
exploring options to be able to control access by the user.  
 
I'm thinking that the best way would be number of users connected to the
back end.  But have not done this is Access before.
 
Has anyone done this and can give me a toehold on the best way to go about
it?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Oct 22 16:09:43 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 14:09:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Controlling Multi-Users
In-Reply-To: <B0572F5A5FA84A3AACFB836EB157E054@XPS>
References: <ED21A047E5704D70BACC95956D9EF8D9@HAL9007><4F68F8AC981C4E72BA65AEF4AD0E33DA@XPS><9E5D6D9F374F4E1A8CE63E778E742D7B@HAL9007>
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Got it.

r 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 1:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Controlling Multi-Users

Rocky,

 I should have added that it's been recommended on EE numerous times and no
one ever has come back and complained about anything with it, nor have I
seen any bad press about it. It's been around for a number of years as well.

 Didn't want to leave you with the impression that it doesn't work, I just
haven't used it myself.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 03:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Controlling Multi-Users

Thanks.  Will forward to the  client.

R

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 12:38 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Controlling Multi-Users

Rocky,

Might want to look at this:

http://www.peterssoftware.com/ka.htm

It's reasonably priced.  Haven't used it myself, so can't say how well it
works or not.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 02:30 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Controlling Multi-Users

Dear List:
 
I have always sold my commercial app as a site license - not restrictions by
user/seat/client. But I have a client now who is trying to turn his in-house
system into a commercial product and wants to sell by the seat.  And so I am
exploring options to be able to control access by the user.  
 
I'm thinking that the best way would be number of users connected to the
back end.  But have not done this is Access before.
 
Has anyone done this and can give me a toehold on the best way to go about
it?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Oct 22 17:01:53 2013
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 22:01:53 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Access on a tablet
In-Reply-To: <9AF1277F3844494292C6C28B39C8A90C@HAL9007>
References: <9AF1277F3844494292C6C28B39C8A90C@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <f2d3c0b7c7894ed3a844b74396bf5b08@SIXPR04MB048.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Ironically, "Alpha anywhere" does sound like it might be worth a look for this sort of solution.  

Cheers
Darryl

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, 23 October 2013 4:44 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Access on a tablet

Dear Lists:
 
Is there a tablet comp that will run Access or at least a run-time access app?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 


From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Oct 22 17:08:30 2013
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 22:08:30 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] The Future of Access
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Yeah, Bill has a good point here. When I was in corporate contract land you are given a set of tools and have to make it work.  Sometimes you would get lucky and could get access to a SQL Server setup via a friendly DBA, but more often than not much of the work (for better or worse) was Front Ended in Excel.

A lot of IT departments are leary of letting folks use MS Access and lot of places don't even have it installed.

If you are building solutions as a developer for a client, then I can see a use for Alpha Anywhere, but if the client employs you to work on their systems, it would be a harder sell.

I did look at the product, and I think shows a lot of potential and opportunity - especially for those folks who need to access data on mobile devices etc.  

But for the highly dynamic / flexible work I currently do, which is all in house and very open, MS Access still stomps the competition for sheer speed, flexibility and ease of use.

However, I have suggested AA as a solution to a couple of folks when asked about Database options.  Horses for courses I guess.

Cheers
Darryl.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Wednesday, 23 October 2013 2:54 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] The Future of Access

Art no offense, and only some taken... I think that to say the future of Access is dead and drive a herd of frightened sheep towards a "new" product which you yourself are very comfortable with is kinda losing sight of some reality markers.

First, if we are developers, we are going to develop what clients want to buy/use/support. So unless I saw a demand from my client, I could not spare the time to invest checking out the Alpha Anywhere alternative- whether or not I wanted to become part of a group of 10 users or not.

I think that the first thing I would like to see is how many on this list, besides you, are interested in and have time to taking a serious look at the product and estimate the lc as well as how it works in the hands of the average vba developer.

Why don't you offer to keep a list, OFFLIST of people on this list or elsewhere of interested parties, their experience levels with this product, with Access, and sql server... and come up with what community support there is for it.

IT depts already say "no" to Access, often enough. I, as a contractor with zero input into the tools of choice used at Capital One,  can't see anyone here giving me anything other than a blank stare if I said "ok, so you won't let us use access and you network sweepers go out across all our machines looking for .mdbs and .accdbs to see who offenders are, so how about Alpha Anywhere?" And I dont know if behind those blank stares would be thoughts of admiration for my initiative, or their wonder how I slipped in through the candidate selection process.

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On Oct 22, 2013 5:31 AM, "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> NOT! MS has pretty much declared that Access has no future, at least 
> among the developer community. So then. where is one to go? Visual 
> Studio? A very steep climb. Alpha Anywhere is for my bet a much more 
> profitable path, both intellectually and economically.
>
> I have emotional/intellectual bonds with Alpha, and the folks behind 
> it have offered me a chance to bundle a bunch of you into a 
> quantity-purchase of said product. First of all, let me declare that I 
> have no shares or any other fiscal interest in Alpha, I simply love 
> the software. Next, the Alpha people have offered me the opportunity 
> to aggregate a group of developers into a group-purchase of the licensing.
>
> Before you bite the bullet, you can taste its treats by visiting 
> www.alphasotware.com and follow the links. You can obtain a free trial 
> there, and also view some vids describing the software.
>
> I am doing this as a service to the Access Developers community. I 
> stand to gain zero dollars for these efforts. I am not in any way 
> aligned in any economic sense with the folks behind Alpha, although I 
> have become net-friends with the principals.
>
> And this is why they have offered an opportunity to all of you, via me.
> Here's the nut:
>
> Alpha Anywhere beats Access and Visual Studio and RoR, no contest.
> You can grab a 20-day trial from AlphaSoftware.com. The demos are 
> astounding. Way way way beyond Northwind.
>
> So here's the deal. Visit Alpha's web site, download a trial version, 
> inspect the demos, and decide whether this is a path worth investment. 
> If you decide Yes, and a minimum of ten of you do decide Yes, then I 
> can arrange a bulk-purchase. You don't have to say Yes at once. 
> Download the trial and see the future of your development projects.
>
> I've already stated it but I'll say it again: I have no fiscal 
> interest in this project or the privately-held company. I do work with 
> the team and have embarked on writing some articles about the 
> transition from Access to Alpha Anywhere, ultimately to be posted on 
> their web site. I am receiving no remuneration for these efforts. I am as objective as can be.
>
> Back to the subject,the future of Access. In a word, None.
>
> Download the trial edition. Walk through the tuts. See what can be 
> done with this remarkable software. And if you like what you see, I 
> can arrange a bulk purchase of Alpha Anywhere, for a significant 
> discount from the individual price.
>
> Why, you might ask, am I doing this? First of all, I stand absolutely 
> no fiscal gain. I'm doing this because a) I love the software', and b) 
> as an Access developer and (I like to think) a significant contributor 
> to our community, and c) as a consequence of my active participation 
> in the Access developers community, I recognize that MS has failed us 
> dramatically, and we need a new place to go.
>
> So here's the deal. 1) Download the trial from www.alphasoftware.com. 
> 2) Take the demos for a spin. 3) If you like what you see, contact me 
> privately and join the bulk-purchase thing that II have arranged with 
> Alpha. It won't cost you a cent up front, and there will be no deal 
> until I get at least 10 people willing to participate.
>
> Let me re-state this: I have absolutely no fiscal interest in doing 
> this. I am doing this because a) I love the Alpha software; b) like 
> many Access developers, I have hit the wall that MS built; and c) I 
> have built many cyber-friendships with Access developers all around 
> the world, and have learned much from them, and feel the need to pay back.
>
> So... here's what to do. First, download the trial Alpha Anywhere. 
> Second, play with the samples. Third, decide whether you want into 
> this new platform. Fourth, email me privately that you want into the 
> bulk purchase that I am trying to build.
>
> It won't cost you a penny until we achieve the threshold of 10 particpants.
> And at the risk of repitition, I stand to gain absolutely no 
> remuneration from this effort. I have talked with the people at Alpha, 
> and in fact this was their idea not mine. But this is the bottom line: 
> MS has abandoned us Access developers, and Alpha offers an elegant way 
> out and a way into the future.
>
> If you're feeling trapped in Access or for that matter in Visual 
> Studio, please download the trial edition of Alpha, and if you like 
> what you see, get back to me and I'll put you on my list for a bulk-purchase.
>
> If I sound like an evangelist for Alpha, then I plead Guilty, but I 
> must re-state that I stand to gain absolutely nothing in the way of 
> payment or anything else. I asked them for a couple of gorgeous 
> hookers, for an evening, but they declined :) So I still have my integrity intact LOL.
>
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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Tue Oct 22 17:18:19 2013
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 15:18:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access on a tablet
In-Reply-To: <gHl51m02Q0xgD8Z01HlHTB>
References: <gHl51m02Q0xgD8Z01HlHTB>
Message-ID: <008201cecf74$9d1aac50$d75004f0$@cox.net>

Rocky,

This isn't necessarily answering your question, but we have run our Access
software over team viewer on an ipod (note Ipod, not Ipad). They also have a
version for Android. The requirement, as you know, is that you have your
application on a windows computer that T.V. works with.

Doug

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 10:44 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Access on a tablet

Dear Lists:
 
Is there a tablet comp that will run Access or at least a run-time access
app?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 22 17:40:40 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 16:40:40 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] The Future of Access
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWZEp3OZanuBOwkwNDw9v3vb+__5eJwn4fF6_f6RXvqE7Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1506780996.38527787.1382481640033.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hello web, good bye desktop...PCs are gone and terminals are back.

Jim

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Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 12:18:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] The Future of Access

IMO Access is being migrated into two camps:

SharePoint for power users
Visual Studio for developers.


Heck, our company is completely getting rid of all local Client-server apps
and moving everything to cloud based apps.
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From jeff.developer at gmail.com  Tue Oct 22 17:59:13 2013
From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 17:59:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access on a tablet
In-Reply-To: <008201cecf74$9d1aac50$d75004f0$@cox.net>
References: <gHl51m02Q0xgD8Z01HlHTB> <008201cecf74$9d1aac50$d75004f0$@cox.net>
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I have used Team Viewer on my iPhone and iPad to connect to an access accdb located on my desktop, but it is a bit different using a touch screen

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 22, 2013, at 5:18 PM, "Doug Murphy" <dw-murphy at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> Rocky,
> 
> This isn't necessarily answering your question, but we have run our Access
> software over team viewer on an ipod (note Ipod, not Ipad). They also have a
> version for Android. The requirement, as you know, is that you have your
> application on a windows computer that T.V. works with.
> 
> Doug
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 10:44 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List; 'Off Topic'
> Subject: [AccessD] Access on a tablet
> 
> Dear Lists:
> 
> Is there a tablet comp that will run Access or at least a run-time access
> app?
> 
> MTIA
> 
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
> 
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Tue Oct 22 18:00:03 2013
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 16:00:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] The Future of Access
In-Reply-To: <1506780996.38527787.1382481640033.JavaMail.root@cds002>
References: <CAMhYZWZEp3OZanuBOwkwNDw9v3vb+__5eJwn4fF6_f6RXvqE7Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<1506780996.38527787.1382481640033.JavaMail.root@cds002>
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That's what I told my boss the other day.

We're heading back to terminals. :)




On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hello web, good bye desktop...PCs are gone and terminals are back.
>
> Jim
>

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Tue Oct 22 18:09:09 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 03:09:09 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?The_Future_of_Access?=
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	<1506780996.38527787.1382481640033.JavaMail.root@cds002>
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 BTAM ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_telecommunications_access_method )?is coming back, now forever? :)

Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:00 PM -07:00 from David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com>:
>That's what I told my boss the other day.
>
>We're heading back to terminals. :)
>
>
>
>
>On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca > wrote:
>
>> Hello web, good bye desktop...PCs are gone and terminals are back.
>>
>> Jim
>>
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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Tue Oct 22 18:10:28 2013
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 16:10:28 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access on a tablet
In-Reply-To: <gP161m00h0xgD8Z01P18ag>
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	<gP161m00h0xgD8Z01P18ag>
Message-ID: <008a01cecf7b$e5d28830$b1779890$@cox.net>

That is why I can't see real database applications being tablet oriented.
For some reason MS doesn't share this opinion.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 3:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access on a tablet

I have used Team Viewer on my iPhone and iPad to connect to an access accdb
located on my desktop, but it is a bit different using a touch screen

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 22, 2013, at 5:18 PM, "Doug Murphy" <dw-murphy at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> Rocky,
> 
> This isn't necessarily answering your question, but we have run our 
> Access software over team viewer on an ipod (note Ipod, not Ipad). 
> They also have a version for Android. The requirement, as you know, is 
> that you have your application on a windows computer that T.V. works with.
> 
> Doug
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 10:44 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List; 'Off Topic'
> Subject: [AccessD] Access on a tablet
> 
> Dear Lists:
> 
> Is there a tablet comp that will run Access or at least a run-time 
> access app?
> 
> MTIA
> 
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com 
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
> 
> 
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Tue Oct 22 18:34:45 2013
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 16:34:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] The Future of Access
In-Reply-To: <1382483348.867109320@f89.i.mail.ru>
References: <CAMhYZWZEp3OZanuBOwkwNDw9v3vb+__5eJwn4fF6_f6RXvqE7Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<1506780996.38527787.1382481640033.JavaMail.root@cds002>
	<CAMhYZWbULEnr2_tb3Kw-OPiF7fQAd0S04KyXXmx97sC_zyXtWQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1382483348.867109320@f89.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWYKi8gk+EkMZ=GW8fAtCtJpHtGXvV9MeN7AH8X4P_4R8Q@mail.gmail.com>

I swear if my boss starts talking about using monochrome CRTs or punch
tapes, I'm out of here!

;)




On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru>wrote:

>  BTAM (
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_telecommunications_access_method ) is
> coming back, now forever? :)
>
> Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:00 PM -07:00 from David McAfee <
> davidmcafee at gmail.com>:
> >That's what I told my boss the other day.
> >
> >We're heading back to terminals. :)
>

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Oct 22 19:05:04 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 10:05:04 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access on a tablet
In-Reply-To: <008201cecf74$9d1aac50$d75004f0$@cox.net>
References: <gHl51m02Q0xgD8Z01HlHTB>, <008201cecf74$9d1aac50$d75004f0$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <526712B0.11798.857D181F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

If you are looking at running Access remotely using TeamViewer etc, there are two other 
options for Android, both of which work as well as TV in my experience:

1.  Remote Ripple from the people behind TightVNC  (uses the VNC protocol)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.glavsoft.rrviewer&hl=en

2. Microsoft's RD Client (uses MS Remote Desktop protocol)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.microsoft.rdc.android&hl=en

-- 
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On 22 Oct 2013 at 15:18, Doug Murphy wrote:

> Rocky,
> 
> This isn't necessarily answering your question, but we have run our
> Access software over team viewer on an ipod (note Ipod, not Ipad).
> They also have a version for Android. The requirement, as you know, is
> that you have your application on a windows computer that T.V. works
> with.
> 
> Doug
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
> Smolin Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 10:44 AM To: 'Access Developers
> discussion and problem solving'; List; 'Off Topic' Subject: [AccessD]
> Access on a tablet
> 
> Dear Lists:
> 
> Is there a tablet comp that will run Access or at least a run-time
> access app?
> 
> MTIA
> 
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
> 
> 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Oct 22 19:07:04 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 10:07:04 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] The Future of Access
In-Reply-To: <1506780996.38527787.1382481640033.JavaMail.root@cds002>
References: <CAMhYZWZEp3OZanuBOwkwNDw9v3vb+__5eJwn4fF6_f6RXvqE7Q@mail.gmail.com>,
	<1506780996.38527787.1382481640033.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <52671328.17481.857EEDF4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

"web"?  Only if you live in a first world country with cheap, fast, reliable internet 


On 22 Oct 2013 at 16:40, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Hello web, good bye desktop...PCs are gone and terminals are back.
> 
> Jim
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David McAfee" <davidmcafee at gmail.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013
> 12:18:33 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] The Future of Access
> 
> IMO Access is being migrated into two camps:
> 
> SharePoint for power users
> Visual Studio for developers.
> 
> 
> Heck, our company is completely getting rid of all local Client-server
> apps and moving everything to cloud based apps. -- AccessD mailing
> list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website:
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list
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> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From dw-murphy at cox.net  Tue Oct 22 19:38:23 2013
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 17:38:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access on a tablet
In-Reply-To: <gQ6m1m00n0xgD8Z01Q6olf>
References: <gHl51m02Q0xgD8Z01HlHTB>,
	<008201cecf74$9d1aac50$d75004f0$@cox.net> <gQ6m1m00n0xgD8Z01Q6olf>
Message-ID: <009901cecf88$2e3f10f0$8abd32d0$@cox.net>

Good to know.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 5:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access on a tablet

If you are looking at running Access remotely using TeamViewer etc, there
are two other options for Android, both of which work as well as TV in my
experience:

1.  Remote Ripple from the people behind TightVNC  (uses the VNC protocol)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.glavsoft.rrviewer&hl=en

2. Microsoft's RD Client (uses MS Remote Desktop protocol)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.microsoft.rdc.android&hl=e
n

--
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On 22 Oct 2013 at 15:18, Doug Murphy wrote:

> Rocky,
> 
> This isn't necessarily answering your question, but we have run our 
> Access software over team viewer on an ipod (note Ipod, not Ipad).
> They also have a version for Android. The requirement, as you know, is 
> that you have your application on a windows computer that T.V. works 
> with.
> 
> Doug
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 10:44 AM To: 'Access Developers 
> discussion and problem solving'; List; 'Off Topic' Subject: [AccessD] 
> Access on a tablet
> 
> Dear Lists:
> 
> Is there a tablet comp that will run Access or at least a run-time 
> access app?
> 
> MTIA
> 
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com 
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
> 
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 22 20:22:11 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 19:22:11 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Access on a tablet
In-Reply-To: <07318D84EB6847848C4BF6C3668E91BF@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <429718033.38652602.1382491331750.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Rocky, I have been told there are tablets, running Linux that can also run Microsoft Office but I have no first hand experience with this type of installation. (Of course I have no first hand experience that MS Office can even run on a Surface tablet and am still very suspicious.)

I believe it is very likely and maybe you could confirm it with your son's help ;-)

Here is more information on Linux distros on tablets...it gives a broader overview and as long as the specific version can also run WINE so can it run MS Office. I do know there are a number of Linux distros, Ubuntu my current favourite as well, has Wine preloaded. (Older versions of Office I would suspect should have not issues.)

http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/install-linux-on-your-x86-tablet-five-distros-to-choose-from-1162825

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 11:44:33 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access on a tablet

That's interesting.  Are there Linux tablets that could then run an Access
app using Wine?

r 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 11:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access on a tablet

Hi Rocky:

Any product that can run Linux...

Just a few days ago ran up a copy of Access 2003 on a client's Ubuntu 13.04
Linux box and it installed without issue...almost brain dead simple. (It had
the product "Wine" pre-installed.)

I have not installed it on a tablet but according to Google there are a
number of tablets that can run either Linux and Android.
(http://www.ubuntu.com/tablet) ...but as far as I know Android can not
support MS Office...yet...but maybe soon as current versions of desktop
Office go directly after the hardware to gain performance and maybe to
protect their products from wandering to an enemy OS. ;-) (Steven Ballmer
hinted at a more universal product version but no today). 

http://www.howtogeek.com/171565/how-to-install-microsoft-office-on-linux/

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>, "List" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>, "Off
Topic" <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 10:43:56 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Access on a tablet

Dear Lists:
 
Is there a tablet comp that will run Access or at least a run-time access
app?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 22 21:04:15 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 20:04:15 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] The Future of Access
In-Reply-To: <1382483348.867109320@f89.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <1685158609.38683822.1382493855873.JavaMail.root@cds002>

I will be honest, in that what attracted me to computers was the whole concept of the personal computer. 

A private place where you could build an environment specific to your needs and requirements. A place that was not dependent on a connection to third-party remote software. 

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:09:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] The Future of Access

 BTAM ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_telecommunications_access_method )?is coming back, now forever? :)

Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:00 PM -07:00 from David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com>:
>That's what I told my boss the other day.
>
>We're heading back to terminals. :)
>
>
>
>
>On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca > wrote:
>
>> Hello web, good bye desktop...PCs are gone and terminals are back.
>>
>> Jim
>>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 22 21:07:16 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 20:07:16 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Access on a tablet
In-Reply-To: <008a01cecf7b$e5d28830$b1779890$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <239734146.38687448.1382494036134.JavaMail.root@cds002>

A database has to have a local hard drive or/and a consistent remote connection and/or many GBs of RAM.

How many tablets does that requirement match?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Murphy" <dw-murphy at cox.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:10:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access on a tablet

That is why I can't see real database applications being tablet oriented.
For some reason MS doesn't share this opinion.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 3:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access on a tablet

I have used Team Viewer on my iPhone and iPad to connect to an access accdb
located on my desktop, but it is a bit different using a touch screen

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 22, 2013, at 5:18 PM, "Doug Murphy" <dw-murphy at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> Rocky,
> 
> This isn't necessarily answering your question, but we have run our 
> Access software over team viewer on an ipod (note Ipod, not Ipad). 
> They also have a version for Android. The requirement, as you know, is 
> that you have your application on a windows computer that T.V. works with.
> 
> Doug
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 10:44 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List; 'Off Topic'
> Subject: [AccessD] Access on a tablet
> 
> Dear Lists:
> 
> Is there a tablet comp that will run Access or at least a run-time 
> access app?
> 
> MTIA
> 
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com 
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
> 
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 22 21:09:44 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 20:09:44 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] The Future of Access
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWYKi8gk+EkMZ=GW8fAtCtJpHtGXvV9MeN7AH8X4P_4R8Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <906451825.38690236.1382494184206.JavaMail.root@cds002>

:-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "David McAfee" <davidmcafee at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:34:45 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] The Future of Access

I swear if my boss starts talking about using monochrome CRTs or punch
tapes, I'm out of here!

;)




On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru>wrote:

>  BTAM (
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_telecommunications_access_method ) is
> coming back, now forever? :)
>
> Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:00 PM -07:00 from David McAfee <
> davidmcafee at gmail.com>:
> >That's what I told my boss the other day.
> >
> >We're heading back to terminals. :)
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 22 21:13:10 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 20:13:10 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Access on a tablet
In-Reply-To: <526712B0.11798.857D181F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <1776269442.38693627.1382494390307.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Also you should look at the new remote app called Splashtop. 

I have not used it myself but it has great reviews...it is supposed to be very fast, lean and runs on everything.

http://www.splashtop.com/

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 5:05:04 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access on a tablet

If you are looking at running Access remotely using TeamViewer etc, there are two other 
options for Android, both of which work as well as TV in my experience:

1.  Remote Ripple from the people behind TightVNC  (uses the VNC protocol)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.glavsoft.rrviewer&hl=en

2. Microsoft's RD Client (uses MS Remote Desktop protocol)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.microsoft.rdc.android&hl=en

-- 
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On 22 Oct 2013 at 15:18, Doug Murphy wrote:

> Rocky,
> 
> This isn't necessarily answering your question, but we have run our
> Access software over team viewer on an ipod (note Ipod, not Ipad).
> They also have a version for Android. The requirement, as you know, is
> that you have your application on a windows computer that T.V. works
> with.
> 
> Doug
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
> Smolin Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 10:44 AM To: 'Access Developers
> discussion and problem solving'; List; 'Off Topic' Subject: [AccessD]
> Access on a tablet
> 
> Dear Lists:
> 
> Is there a tablet comp that will run Access or at least a run-time
> access app?
> 
> MTIA
> 
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 22 21:14:46 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 20:14:46 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] The Future of Access
In-Reply-To: <52671328.17481.857EEDF4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <957052495.38695314.1382494486078.JavaMail.root@cds002>

In an odd way you are lucky Stuart.

I like my PCs and like to be able to roll-my-own.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 5:07:04 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] The Future of Access

"web"?  Only if you live in a first world country with cheap, fast, reliable internet 


On 22 Oct 2013 at 16:40, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Hello web, good bye desktop...PCs are gone and terminals are back.
> 
> Jim
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David McAfee" <davidmcafee at gmail.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013
> 12:18:33 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] The Future of Access
> 
> IMO Access is being migrated into two camps:
> 
> SharePoint for power users
> Visual Studio for developers.
> 
> 
> Heck, our company is completely getting rid of all local Client-server
> apps and moving everything to cloud based apps. -- AccessD mailing
> list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website:
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list
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> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 22 21:14:50 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 20:14:50 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] The Future of Access
In-Reply-To: <52671328.17481.857EEDF4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <824218559.38695441.1382494490221.JavaMail.root@cds002>

In an odd way you are lucky Stuart.

I like my PCs and like to be able to roll-my-own.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 5:07:04 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] The Future of Access

"web"?  Only if you live in a first world country with cheap, fast, reliable internet 


On 22 Oct 2013 at 16:40, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Hello web, good bye desktop...PCs are gone and terminals are back.
> 
> Jim
> 
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> 12:18:33 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] The Future of Access
> 
> IMO Access is being migrated into two camps:
> 
> SharePoint for power users
> Visual Studio for developers.
> 
> 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Oct 22 22:28:43 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 20:28:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access on a tablet
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Fortunately client was a bit discouraged by the initial results and also
feels (I think he's right) that the app he wants to sell doesn't need to be
on a tablet.  But the info is certainly valuable for all of us going
forward.  

R


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 6:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access on a tablet

Hi Rocky, I have been told there are tablets, running Linux that can also
run Microsoft Office but I have no first hand experience with this type of
installation. (Of course I have no first hand experience that MS Office can
even run on a Surface tablet and am still very suspicious.)

I believe it is very likely and maybe you could confirm it with your son's
help ;-)

Here is more information on Linux distros on tablets...it gives a broader
overview and as long as the specific version can also run WINE so can it run
MS Office. I do know there are a number of Linux distros, Ubuntu my current
favourite as well, has Wine preloaded. (Older versions of Office I would
suspect should have not issues.)

http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/install-linux-on-yo
ur-x86-tablet-five-distros-to-choose-from-1162825

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 11:44:33 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access on a tablet

That's interesting.  Are there Linux tablets that could then run an Access
app using Wine?

r 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 11:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access on a tablet

Hi Rocky:

Any product that can run Linux...

Just a few days ago ran up a copy of Access 2003 on a client's Ubuntu 13.04
Linux box and it installed without issue...almost brain dead simple. (It had
the product "Wine" pre-installed.)

I have not installed it on a tablet but according to Google there are a
number of tablets that can run either Linux and Android.
(http://www.ubuntu.com/tablet) ...but as far as I know Android can not
support MS Office...yet...but maybe soon as current versions of desktop
Office go directly after the hardware to gain performance and maybe to
protect their products from wandering to an enemy OS. ;-) (Steven Ballmer
hinted at a more universal product version but no today). 

http://www.howtogeek.com/171565/how-to-install-microsoft-office-on-linux/

Jim

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Topic" <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 10:43:56 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Access on a tablet

Dear Lists:
 
Is there a tablet comp that will run Access or at least a run-time access
app?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct 23 13:48:01 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 12:48:01 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Access on a tablet
In-Reply-To: <3EF72F1A197A451C8FCF6A1EE9F88A38@HAL9007>
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Personally, if you are going to continue in business and the client, IMHO a serious look at a web based forms is the way to go and a use a backend of any type even MDB. 

That does not mean it has to run on the web...most of my web work has been of intranet type but every application is now designed to work well with the webby environment and related scripts. I would guess it is just the changing of the guard so to speak.

Jim   

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From: "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 8:28:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access on a tablet

Fortunately client was a bit discouraged by the initial results and also
feels (I think he's right) that the app he wants to sell doesn't need to be
on a tablet.  But the info is certainly valuable for all of us going
forward.  

R


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 6:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access on a tablet

Hi Rocky, I have been told there are tablets, running Linux that can also
run Microsoft Office but I have no first hand experience with this type of
installation. (Of course I have no first hand experience that MS Office can
even run on a Surface tablet and am still very suspicious.)

I believe it is very likely and maybe you could confirm it with your son's
help ;-)

Here is more information on Linux distros on tablets...it gives a broader
overview and as long as the specific version can also run WINE so can it run
MS Office. I do know there are a number of Linux distros, Ubuntu my current
favourite as well, has Wine preloaded. (Older versions of Office I would
suspect should have not issues.)

http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/install-linux-on-yo
ur-x86-tablet-five-distros-to-choose-from-1162825

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 11:44:33 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access on a tablet

That's interesting.  Are there Linux tablets that could then run an Access
app using Wine?

r 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 11:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access on a tablet

Hi Rocky:

Any product that can run Linux...

Just a few days ago ran up a copy of Access 2003 on a client's Ubuntu 13.04
Linux box and it installed without issue...almost brain dead simple. (It had
the product "Wine" pre-installed.)

I have not installed it on a tablet but according to Google there are a
number of tablets that can run either Linux and Android.
(http://www.ubuntu.com/tablet) ...but as far as I know Android can not
support MS Office...yet...but maybe soon as current versions of desktop
Office go directly after the hardware to gain performance and maybe to
protect their products from wandering to an enemy OS. ;-) (Steven Ballmer
hinted at a more universal product version but no today). 

http://www.howtogeek.com/171565/how-to-install-microsoft-office-on-linux/

Jim

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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>, "List" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>, "Off
Topic" <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 10:43:56 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Access on a tablet

Dear Lists:
 
Is there a tablet comp that will run Access or at least a run-time access
app?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Oct 24 05:38:18 2013
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 06:38:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD]  The Future of Access
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The future of Access would have been fantastic had MSFT create a VBA to
Javascript converter that would allow for complex validation and
presentation logic on a web form.

Instead they took a simplistic approach, and that was the end of it.
Of course tieing it into Sharepoint didn't help either.

This was obviously a very deliberate move.




From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Oct 24 23:49:06 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 22:49:06 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] The Future of Access
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Hi Mark:

Heard the other night from a friend of a friend, that MS Access ran into trouble a number of years ago when the Access development team at Microsoft broke up. Some went to other projects like MS SQL, a number of others just retired and some went to work for other companies. At the end there just was not enough developers that could remember and support the core code design.

IMHO, this is when they should have moved the application into the OSS world.

Jim 

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Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 3:38:18 AM
Subject: [AccessD]  The Future of Access

The future of Access would have been fantastic had MSFT create a VBA to
Javascript converter that would allow for complex validation and
presentation logic on a web form.

Instead they took a simplistic approach, and that was the end of it.
Of course tieing it into Sharepoint didn't help either.

This was obviously a very deliberate move.



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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Oct 25 08:11:44 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 15:11:44 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] The Future of Access
Message-ID: <009f01ced183$c14700e0$43d502a0$@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

Your enthusiasm and efforts deserve an answer.

However, from me it is No Thanks. I'm totally hooked on C# which I really
enjoy writing though time is sparse - currently VBA(yes!) is earning the
money - thus I'm not at all prepared to allocate time for a new BASIC style
programming language.

Also, I still think that the license fees of AlphaSoftware are rather steep,
even with some expected discount, indeed when you compare to the
capabilities of the free Express versions of Visual Studio. 

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller
Sendt: 22. oktober 2013 11:30
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: [AccessD] The Future of Access

NOT! MS has pretty much declared that Access has no future, at least among
the developer community. So then. where is one to go? Visual Studio? A very
steep climb. Alpha Anywhere is for my bet a much more profitable path, both
intellectually and economically.

I have emotional/intellectual bonds with Alpha, and the folks behind it have
offered me a chance to bundle a bunch of you into a quantity-purchase of
said product. First of all, let me declare that I have no shares or any
other fiscal interest in Alpha, I simply love the software. Next, the Alpha
people have offered me the opportunity to aggregate a group of developers
into a group-purchase of the licensing.

Before you bite the bullet, you can taste its treats by visiting
www.alphasotware.com and follow the links. You can obtain a free trial
there, and also view some vids describing the software.

I am doing this as a service to the Access Developers community. I stand to
gain zero dollars for these efforts. I am not in any way aligned in any
economic sense with the folks behind Alpha, although I have become
net-friends with the principals.

And this is why they have offered an opportunity to all of you, via me.
Here's the nut:

Alpha Anywhere beats Access and Visual Studio and RoR, no contest.
You can grab a 20-day trial from AlphaSoftware.com. The demos are
astounding. Way way way beyond Northwind.

So here's the deal. Visit Alpha's web site, download a trial version,
inspect the demos, and decide whether this is a path worth investment. If
you decide Yes, and a minimum of ten of you do decide Yes, then I can
arrange a bulk-purchase. You don't have to say Yes at once. Download the
trial and see the future of your development projects.

I've already stated it but I'll say it again: I have no fiscal interest in
this project or the privately-held company. I do work with the team and have
embarked on writing some articles about the transition from Access to Alpha
Anywhere, ultimately to be posted on their web site. I am receiving no
remuneration for these efforts. I am as objective as can be.

Back to the subject,the future of Access. In a word, None.

Download the trial edition. Walk through the tuts. See what can be done with
this remarkable software. And if you like what you see, I can arrange a bulk
purchase of Alpha Anywhere, for a significant discount from the individual
price.

Why, you might ask, am I doing this? First of all, I stand absolutely no
fiscal gain. I'm doing this because a) I love the software', and b) as an
Access developer and (I like to think) a significant contributor to our
community, and c) as a consequence of my active participation in the Access
developers community, I recognize that MS has failed us dramatically, and we
need a new place to go.

So here's the deal. 1) Download the trial from www.alphasoftware.com. 2)
Take the demos for a spin. 3) If you like what you see, contact me privately
and join the bulk-purchase thing that II have arranged with Alpha. It won't
cost you a cent up front, and there will be no deal until I get at least 10
people willing to participate.

Let me re-state this: I have absolutely no fiscal interest in doing this. I
am doing this because a) I love the Alpha software; b) like many Access
developers, I have hit the wall that MS built; and c) I have built many
cyber-friendships with Access developers all around the world, and have
learned much from them, and feel the need to pay back.

So... here's what to do. First, download the trial Alpha Anywhere. Second,
play with the samples. Third, decide whether you want into this new
platform. Fourth, email me privately that you want into the bulk purchase
that I am trying to build.

It won't cost you a penny until we achieve the threshold of 10 particpants.
And at the risk of repitition, I stand to gain absolutely no remuneration
from this effort. I have talked with the people at Alpha, and in fact this
was their idea not mine. But this is the bottom line: MS has abandoned us
Access developers, and Alpha offers an elegant way out and a way into the
future.

If you're feeling trapped in Access or for that matter in Visual Studio,
please download the trial edition of Alpha, and if you like what you see,
get back to me and I'll put you on my list for a bulk-purchase.

If I sound like an evangelist for Alpha, then I plead Guilty, but I must
re-state that I stand to gain absolutely nothing in the way of payment or
anything else. I asked them for a couple of gorgeous hookers, for an
evening, but they declined :) So I still have my integrity intact LOL.

--
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Oct 25 08:28:23 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 09:28:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] The Future of Access
In-Reply-To: <009f01ced183$c14700e0$43d502a0$@cactus.dk>
References: <009f01ced183$c14700e0$43d502a0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jzC=htP9g+r6vXuCNWq5kjKwSwnE-GELGp7fkis2h79A@mail.gmail.com>

Gustav,

O well. To be sure, I have become a serious enthusiast. In the past few
days I built an app that runs on phone, tablet and traditional browser. It
consists of about 20 tables, most of which are lookups. It's customized in
all sorts of ways and I didn't write a single line of code. All I did was
fill in property sheets. Amazing product.

Arthur


On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Arthur
>
> Your enthusiasm and efforts deserve an answer.
>
> However, from me it is No Thanks. I'm totally hooked on C# which I really
> enjoy writing though time is sparse - currently VBA(yes!) is earning the
> money - thus I'm not at all prepared to allocate time for a new BASIC style
> programming language.
>
> Also, I still think that the license fees of AlphaSoftware are rather
> steep,
> even with some expected discount, indeed when you compare to the
> capabilities of the free Express versions of Visual Studio.
>
> /gustav
>
>

From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Oct 25 09:18:33 2013
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 10:18:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] The Future of Access
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jzC=htP9g+r6vXuCNWq5kjKwSwnE-GELGp7fkis2h79A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <009f01ced183$c14700e0$43d502a0$@cactus.dk>
	<CAEPJO1jzC=htP9g+r6vXuCNWq5kjKwSwnE-GELGp7fkis2h79A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <580DD0D7EE4B4900BBFA4A0F7B932A6D@XPS>

<<It's customized in all sorts of ways and I didn't write a single line of
code.>>

 Man, where/when have I heard that before!  The holy grail of software
development.

 This is mostly a tongue in cheek response.  I'm not doubting you per say,
but it's never that simple, especially across multiple platforms.

Jim.


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Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 09:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] The Future of Access

Gustav,

O well. To be sure, I have become a serious enthusiast. In the past few
days I built an app that runs on phone, tablet and traditional browser. It
consists of about 20 tables, most of which are lookups. It's customized in
all sorts of ways and I didn't write a single line of code. All I did was
fill in property sheets. Amazing product.

Arthur


On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Arthur
>
> Your enthusiasm and efforts deserve an answer.
>
> However, from me it is No Thanks. I'm totally hooked on C# which I really
> enjoy writing though time is sparse - currently VBA(yes!) is earning the
> money - thus I'm not at all prepared to allocate time for a new BASIC
style
> programming language.
>
> Also, I still think that the license fees of AlphaSoftware are rather
> steep,
> even with some expected discount, indeed when you compare to the
> capabilities of the free Express versions of Visual Studio.
>
> /gustav
>
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Oct 25 10:14:12 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 11:14:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] The Future of Access
In-Reply-To: <580DD0D7EE4B4900BBFA4A0F7B932A6D@XPS>
References: <009f01ced183$c14700e0$43d502a0$@cactus.dk>
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Jim,

I didn't say that this app was especially complex, Jim. Its task is
management of volunteers for a non-profit organization. It has volunteers,
opportunities, assignments, volunteer preferences and languages and skills
and a few things like "owns car" etc.. There's an internal side that
external users don't see that involves things like police check, etc. Also,
the internal employees can search the volunteers to find potential
match-ups with opportunies, and email any matches. There's a volunteers
browse with search and filter abilities, plus a detail form that pops up
when a volunteer is selected in the browse, There are associative (bridge)
tables such as...

Volunteers -= VolunteerReasons =- Reasons               Reasons for
Volunteering
Volunteers -= VolunteerLanguages =- Languages         Languages Spoken
Volunteers -= VolunteerSkills =- Skills                         Skills

For lack of graphic abilities here, I'm using the conventions "-=" means
one to many and "=-" means many to 1.

The external portion works on smart phones and tablets and traditional
browsers. No additional code was required to make that happen. On tablets
the app responds to touch gestures and orientation change. In Access
terminology, several "subforms" handle the associative tables above (there
are several more as well). These rearrange themselves to suit the platform,
without any additional coding by me. Each subform also has the ability to
dynamically add to the related table (i.e. a potential volunteer arrives at
the languages-spoken subform and drops the list down, and enters the name
of a language not contained in the Languages table. S/he can add it at that
point). Ditto for the other subforms: add a skill not yet in the Skills
table, etc.

The volunteer email addresses are tagged as links. Clicking on one of them
invokes Outlook to send an email to that volunteer. (That's in the internal
part of the app.)

Not rocket science. That wasn't my point. The hardest single thing for an
Access developer to get used to is that in Alpha 90% of your activity
involves filling in property sheets. When there's nothing built-in to do
what you need, you can reach out into Javascript, HTML5, CSS and Xbasic.

In this case, I didn't have to reach out even once. The whole thing was
finished in a couple of days, and they weren't even close to 8 hours a day.

Arthur




On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net>wrote:

> <<It's customized in all sorts of ways and I didn't write a single line of
> code.>>
>
>  Man, where/when have I heard that before!  The holy grail of software
> development.
>
>  This is mostly a tongue in cheek response.  I'm not doubting you per say,
> but it's never that simple, especially across multiple platforms.
>
> Jim.
>
>

From vbacreations at gmail.com  Fri Oct 25 15:37:52 2013
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (VBACreations (Bill Benson))
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 16:37:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] The Future of Access
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Did anyone look at this?

http://www.webalo.com/product.php


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 11:14 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] The Future of Access

Jim,

I didn't say that this app was especially complex, Jim. Its task is
management of volunteers for a non-profit organization. It has volunteers,
opportunities, assignments, volunteer preferences and languages and skills
and a few things like "owns car" etc.. There's an internal side that
external users don't see that involves things like police check, etc. Also,
the internal employees can search the volunteers to find potential match-ups
with opportunies, and email any matches. There's a volunteers browse with
search and filter abilities, plus a detail form that pops up when a
volunteer is selected in the browse, There are associative (bridge) tables
such as...

Volunteers -= VolunteerReasons =- Reasons               Reasons for
Volunteering
Volunteers -= VolunteerLanguages =- Languages         Languages Spoken
Volunteers -= VolunteerSkills =- Skills                         Skills

For lack of graphic abilities here, I'm using the conventions "-=" means one
to many and "=-" means many to 1.

The external portion works on smart phones and tablets and traditional
browsers. No additional code was required to make that happen. On tablets
the app responds to touch gestures and orientation change. In Access
terminology, several "subforms" handle the associative tables above (there
are several more as well). These rearrange themselves to suit the platform,
without any additional coding by me. Each subform also has the ability to
dynamically add to the related table (i.e. a potential volunteer arrives at
the languages-spoken subform and drops the list down, and enters the name of
a language not contained in the Languages table. S/he can add it at that
point). Ditto for the other subforms: add a skill not yet in the Skills
table, etc.

The volunteer email addresses are tagged as links. Clicking on one of them
invokes Outlook to send an email to that volunteer. (That's in the internal
part of the app.)

Not rocket science. That wasn't my point. The hardest single thing for an
Access developer to get used to is that in Alpha 90% of your activity
involves filling in property sheets. When there's nothing built-in to do
what you need, you can reach out into Javascript, HTML5, CSS and Xbasic.

In this case, I didn't have to reach out even once. The whole thing was
finished in a couple of days, and they weren't even close to 8 hours a day.

Arthur




On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net>wrote:

> <<It's customized in all sorts of ways and I didn't write a single 
> line of code.>>
>
>  Man, where/when have I heard that before!  The holy grail of software 
> development.
>
>  This is mostly a tongue in cheek response.  I'm not doubting you per 
> say, but it's never that simple, especially across multiple platforms.
>
> Jim.
>
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Oct 25 15:57:05 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 06:57:05 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] The Future of Access
In-Reply-To: <01c501ced1c2$16852c10$438f8430$@gmail.com>
References: <009f01ced183$c14700e0$43d502a0$@cactus.dk>,
	<CAEPJO1jovV=DpzUFRd8fUw=AzYySj_1WiPCjAvMs-Y5mJ--zew@mail.gmail.com>,
	<01c501ced1c2$16852c10$438f8430$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <526ADB21.17578.D432E46@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Tried to - the mobile app constantly crashed on my Android tablet and I gave up on it.



On 25 Oct 2013 at 16:37, VBACreations (Bill Benson) wrote:

> Did anyone look at this?
> 
> http://www.webalo.com/product.php
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur
> Fuller Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 11:14 AM To: Access Developers
> discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] The Future of
> Access
> 
> Jim,
> 
> I didn't say that this app was especially complex, Jim. Its task is
> management of volunteers for a non-profit organization. It has
> volunteers, opportunities, assignments, volunteer preferences and
> languages and skills and a few things like "owns car" etc.. There's an
> internal side that external users don't see that involves things like
> police check, etc. Also, the internal employees can search the
> volunteers to find potential match-ups with opportunies, and email any
> matches. There's a volunteers browse with search and filter abilities,
> plus a detail form that pops up when a volunteer is selected in the
> browse, There are associative (bridge) tables such as...
> 
> Volunteers -= VolunteerReasons =- Reasons               Reasons for
> Volunteering Volunteers -= VolunteerLanguages =- Languages        
> Languages Spoken Volunteers -= VolunteerSkills =- Skills              
>           Skills
> 
> For lack of graphic abilities here, I'm using the conventions "-="
> means one to many and "=-" means many to 1.
> 
> The external portion works on smart phones and tablets and traditional
> browsers. No additional code was required to make that happen. On
> tablets the app responds to touch gestures and orientation change. In
> Access terminology, several "subforms" handle the associative tables
> above (there are several more as well). These rearrange themselves to
> suit the platform, without any additional coding by me. Each subform
> also has the ability to dynamically add to the related table (i.e. a
> potential volunteer arrives at the languages-spoken subform and drops
> the list down, and enters the name of a language not contained in the
> Languages table. S/he can add it at that point). Ditto for the other
> subforms: add a skill not yet in the Skills table, etc.
> 
> The volunteer email addresses are tagged as links. Clicking on one of
> them invokes Outlook to send an email to that volunteer. (That's in
> the internal part of the app.)
> 
> Not rocket science. That wasn't my point. The hardest single thing for
> an Access developer to get used to is that in Alpha 90% of your
> activity involves filling in property sheets. When there's nothing
> built-in to do what you need, you can reach out into Javascript,
> HTML5, CSS and Xbasic.
> 
> In this case, I didn't have to reach out even once. The whole thing
> was finished in a couple of days, and they weren't even close to 8
> hours a day.
> 
> Arthur
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Jim Dettman
> <jimdettman at verizon.net>wrote:
> 
> > <<It's customized in all sorts of ways and I didn't write a single
> > line of code.>>
> >
> >  Man, where/when have I heard that before!  The holy grail of
> >  software 
> > development.
> >
> >  This is mostly a tongue in cheek response.  I'm not doubting you
> >  per 
> > say, but it's never that simple, especially across multiple
> > platforms.
> >
> > Jim.
> >
> >
> --
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> 



From marksimms at verizon.net  Mon Oct 28 18:22:41 2013
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 19:22:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] The Future of Access
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jzC=htP9g+r6vXuCNWq5kjKwSwnE-GELGp7fkis2h79A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <009f01ced183$c14700e0$43d502a0$@cactus.dk>
	<CAEPJO1jzC=htP9g+r6vXuCNWq5kjKwSwnE-GELGp7fkis2h79A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <011d01ced434$99eae8a0$cdc0b9e0$@net>

Still, very impressive. What other dev tools are out there that can do this
?
I heard Adobe had some sort of cross-platform, cross-OS, cross-device slick
dev tool.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 9:28 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] The Future of Access
>
> Gustav,
>
> O well. To be sure, I have become a serious enthusiast. In the past few
> days I built an app that runs on phone, tablet and traditional browser.
> It
> consists of about 20 tables, most of which are lookups. It's customized
> in
> all sorts of ways and I didn't write a single line of code. All I did
> was
> fill in property sheets. Amazing product.
>
> Arthur
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> > Hi Arthur
> >
> > Your enthusiasm and efforts deserve an answer.
> >
> > However, from me it is No Thanks. I'm totally hooked on C# which I
> really
> > enjoy writing though time is sparse - currently VBA(yes!) is earning
> the
> > money - thus I'm not at all prepared to allocate time for a new BASIC
> style
> > programming language.
> >
> > Also, I still think that the license fees of AlphaSoftware are rather
> > steep,
> > even with some expected discount, indeed when you compare to the
> > capabilities of the free Express versions of Visual Studio.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
> --
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Oct 28 19:48:31 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 20:48:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] The Future of Access
In-Reply-To: <011d01ced434$99eae8a0$cdc0b9e0$@net>
References: <009f01ced183$c14700e0$43d502a0$@cactus.dk>
	<CAEPJO1jzC=htP9g+r6vXuCNWq5kjKwSwnE-GELGp7fkis2h79A@mail.gmail.com>
	<011d01ced434$99eae8a0$cdc0b9e0$@net>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iAncK=a1-KArCBiMMz96cMf8uqc+iUkgT2_H4Zyh2sTg@mail.gmail.com>

Mark,

At the risk of repeating myself, have a look at Alpha Anywhere. It's a huge
leap up from Access, but it most definitely does cross platform
development, better than any other product I have seen. I've just deployed
my first significant app, and it runs on phones, tablets and traditional
browsers, all without changing a single line of code.

Arthur

P.S.
I own no shares in Alpha and have no economic relationship with said firm.
I just happen to love what they deliver.


On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 7:22 PM, Mark Simms <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> Still, very impressive. What other dev tools are out there that can do this
> ?
> I heard Adobe had some sort of cross-platform, cross-OS, cross-device slick
> dev tool.
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> > bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> > Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 9:28 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] The Future of Access
> >
> > Gustav,
> >
> > O well. To be sure, I have become a serious enthusiast. In the past few
> > days I built an app that runs on phone, tablet and traditional browser.
> > It
> > consists of about 20 tables, most of which are lookups. It's customized
> > in
> > all sorts of ways and I didn't write a single line of code. All I did
> > was
> > fill in property sheets. Amazing product.
> >
> > Arthur
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Arthur
> > >
> > > Your enthusiasm and efforts deserve an answer.
> > >
> > > However, from me it is No Thanks. I'm totally hooked on C# which I
> > really
> > > enjoy writing though time is sparse - currently VBA(yes!) is earning
> > the
> > > money - thus I'm not at all prepared to allocate time for a new BASIC
> > style
> > > programming language.
> > >
> > > Also, I still think that the license fees of AlphaSoftware are rather
> > > steep,
> > > even with some expected discount, indeed when you compare to the
> > > capabilities of the free Express versions of Visual Studio.
> > >
> > > /gustav
> > >
> > >
> > --
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> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
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>



-- 
Arthur

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Tue Oct 29 12:22:04 2013
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 10:22:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access on a tablet
In-Reply-To: <07318D84EB6847848C4BF6C3668E91BF@HAL9007>
References: <9AF1277F3844494292C6C28B39C8A90C@HAL9007>
	<1606167890.38268689.1382466826792.JavaMail.root@cds002>
	<07318D84EB6847848C4BF6C3668E91BF@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met92HzgNEFJECwcyG8qmbJqeMfPmH8WGVeUfV9OVvsbN1g@mail.gmail.com>

No one has mentioned the Samsung Tablet PC.  I have one running Win 8 Pro,
and I installed full Access 2010 on it.  Mine only has 32 GB disk space but
Access works.  I installed it before I got a new laptop with Office 2013
installed.

Charlotte




On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> That's interesting.  Are there Linux tablets that could then run an Access
> app using Wine?
>
> r
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 11:34 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access on a tablet
>
> Hi Rocky:
>
> Any product that can run Linux...
>
> Just a few days ago ran up a copy of Access 2003 on a client's Ubuntu 13.04
> Linux box and it installed without issue...almost brain dead simple. (It
> had
> the product "Wine" pre-installed.)
>
> I have not installed it on a tablet but according to Google there are a
> number of tablets that can run either Linux and Android.
> (http://www.ubuntu.com/tablet) ...but as far as I know Android can not
> support MS Office...yet...but maybe soon as current versions of desktop
> Office go directly after the hardware to gain performance and maybe to
> protect their products from wandering to an enemy OS. ;-) (Steven Ballmer
> hinted at a more universal product version but no today).
>
> http://www.howtogeek.com/171565/how-to-install-microsoft-office-on-linux/
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>, "List" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>,
> "Off
> Topic" <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 10:43:56 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] Access on a tablet
>
> Dear Lists:
>
> Is there a tablet comp that will run Access or at least a run-time access
> app?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 30 03:09:01 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 09:09:01 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access on a tablet
Message-ID: <001e01ced547$4affb770$e0ff2650$@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

Is that the Ativ Tab 7? It is very expensive over here, though equipped with
a 128 GB SSD. 
I see a model with 32 GB but that is with Windows 8 RT, thus no desktop and
A2010.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Charlotte Foust
Sendt: 29. oktober 2013 18:22
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Access on a tablet

No one has mentioned the Samsung Tablet PC.  I have one running Win 8 Pro,
and I installed full Access 2010 on it.  Mine only has 32 GB disk space but
Access works.  I installed it before I got a new laptop with Office 2013
installed.

Charlotte 



From dkalsow at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 30 10:04:58 2013
From: dkalsow at yahoo.com (Dale Kalsow)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 08:04:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Saved Export
Message-ID: <1383145498.72624.YahooMailNeo@web125602.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I have a saved export in Access 2010 that I need to modify.? Does anyone know how to do this?? 
?
The saved export exports a table to a xml file.? I need to know add some fields to the export.
?
Thanks
Dale

From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Oct 30 11:54:09 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 12:54:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Saved Export
In-Reply-To: <1383145498.72624.YahooMailNeo@web125602.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1383145498.72624.YahooMailNeo@web125602.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <527139B1.7030706@gmail.com>

I haven't seen a reply yet.  There is a very clunky wizard for creating these things, and you use 
the same wizard to get into it and edit it.  It is a pITA and it always takes me forever to figure 
out how to get back in so I am not going to do that for you but there ya go.

The results are stored in MSys tables.

My suggestion would be creating a query which is exported.  That way you just edit that query to 
make changes.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 10/30/2013 11:04 AM, Dale Kalsow wrote:
> I have a saved export in Access 2010 that I need to modify.  Does anyone know how to do this?
>   
> The saved export exports a table to a xml file.  I need to know add some fields to the export.
>   
> Thanks
> Dale


From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Wed Oct 30 11:55:15 2013
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 12:55:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Slo-o-o-w ODBC connection to Oracle
Message-ID: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F980210606895@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>

x-posted to Access-L and Access-D

I'm hoping someone out there has some experience of this. This is my first time working a non-Access back end.

Using Access 2010 connected to an Oracle 10g back end and using a System DSN.

It is HORRIBLY slow!!  Here's the scenario.

I have a table of people (~20,000 rows) and a table or related assets (~24,000 rows), and I'm displaying the data in a form/continuous sub form setup. The Main form and Sub form a linked via the Primary key of the people table and the corresponding foreign key in the assets table.

The main form is bound to the people table via a simple select query. The record source of the form is set when a person is selected from an unbound combobox...
            Me.RecordSource = "select * from MyQuery Where ID=" & ComboBox.
This same combobox selection also sets the record source for the continuous sub form
            Me.View_Data_sub_frm.Form.RecordSource = "Select * from AnotherQuery Where FKID=" & ComboBox

When the front end is hooked up to an Access back-end (and MDB file) it takes about 0.1 seconds to set the form record source, and another 5.5 seconds to set the sub-form record source and display the data.

When connected to the Oracle back end the record source of the main form is a Pass Though query as it is calling a decrypt function in the Oracle back end, the record source of the sub-form is the same query as used with the Access back end. Setting the record source for the main form now takes about 70 seconds and it takes a further 40 seconds to set the sub form record source.  In the first step - setting the main form record source, if I just use the original non-pass through query it takes about 40 seconds to select the data, and another 40 to get the related data.

Any thoughts on improving these awful response times?

Lambert



From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Oct 30 12:02:47 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:02:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Slo-o-o-w ODBC connection to Oracle
In-Reply-To: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F980210606895@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
References: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F980210606895@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <52713BB7.90405@gmail.com>

Are you using a subform that is loaded dynamically?  Access tries to load the subform data before 
the mainform data.  If you leave the subform control unpopulated, load the main form, then insert / 
load the subform that MAY help.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 10/30/2013 12:55 PM, Heenan, Lambert wrote:
> x-posted to Access-L and Access-D
>
> I'm hoping someone out there has some experience of this. This is my first time working a non-Access back end.
>
> Using Access 2010 connected to an Oracle 10g back end and using a System DSN.
>
> It is HORRIBLY slow!!  Here's the scenario.
>
> I have a table of people (~20,000 rows) and a table or related assets (~24,000 rows), and I'm displaying the data in a form/continuous sub form setup. The Main form and Sub form a linked via the Primary key of the people table and the corresponding foreign key in the assets table.
>
> The main form is bound to the people table via a simple select query. The record source of the form is set when a person is selected from an unbound combobox...
>              Me.RecordSource = "select * from MyQuery Where ID=" & ComboBox.
> This same combobox selection also sets the record source for the continuous sub form
>              Me.View_Data_sub_frm.Form.RecordSource = "Select * from AnotherQuery Where FKID=" & ComboBox
>
> When the front end is hooked up to an Access back-end (and MDB file) it takes about 0.1 seconds to set the form record source, and another 5.5 seconds to set the sub-form record source and display the data.
>
> When connected to the Oracle back end the record source of the main form is a Pass Though query as it is calling a decrypt function in the Oracle back end, the record source of the sub-form is the same query as used with the Access back end. Setting the record source for the main form now takes about 70 seconds and it takes a further 40 seconds to set the sub form record source.  In the first step - setting the main form record source, if I just use the original non-pass through query it takes about 40 seconds to select the data, and another 40 to get the related data.
>
> Any thoughts on improving these awful response times?
>
> Lambert
>
>


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Oct 30 12:04:11 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:04:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Slo-o-o-w ODBC connection to Oracle
In-Reply-To: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F980210606895@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
References: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F980210606895@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <52713C0B.7030802@gmail.com>

Also look at the load time of the combo box itself as this is "rolled in" to the load time of the 
main form.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 10/30/2013 12:55 PM, Heenan, Lambert wrote:
> x-posted to Access-L and Access-D
>
> I'm hoping someone out there has some experience of this. This is my first time working a non-Access back end.
>
> Using Access 2010 connected to an Oracle 10g back end and using a System DSN.
>
> It is HORRIBLY slow!!  Here's the scenario.
>
> I have a table of people (~20,000 rows) and a table or related assets (~24,000 rows), and I'm displaying the data in a form/continuous sub form setup. The Main form and Sub form a linked via the Primary key of the people table and the corresponding foreign key in the assets table.
>
> The main form is bound to the people table via a simple select query. The record source of the form is set when a person is selected from an unbound combobox...
>              Me.RecordSource = "select * from MyQuery Where ID=" & ComboBox.
> This same combobox selection also sets the record source for the continuous sub form
>              Me.View_Data_sub_frm.Form.RecordSource = "Select * from AnotherQuery Where FKID=" & ComboBox
>
> When the front end is hooked up to an Access back-end (and MDB file) it takes about 0.1 seconds to set the form record source, and another 5.5 seconds to set the sub-form record source and display the data.
>
> When connected to the Oracle back end the record source of the main form is a Pass Though query as it is calling a decrypt function in the Oracle back end, the record source of the sub-form is the same query as used with the Access back end. Setting the record source for the main form now takes about 70 seconds and it takes a further 40 seconds to set the sub form record source.  In the first step - setting the main form record source, if I just use the original non-pass through query it takes about 40 seconds to select the data, and another 40 to get the related data.
>
> Any thoughts on improving these awful response times?
>
> Lambert
>
>


From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Wed Oct 30 12:13:22 2013
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:13:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Slo-o-o-w ODBC connection to Oracle
In-Reply-To: <52713BB7.90405@gmail.com>
References: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F980210606895@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
	<52713BB7.90405@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F980210606898@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>

The subform control contains the form object, but it has no record source until a selection is made in the combobox.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 1:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Slo-o-o-w ODBC connection to Oracle

Are you using a subform that is loaded dynamically?  Access tries to load the subform data before the mainform data.  If you leave the subform control unpopulated, load the main form, then insert / load the subform that MAY help.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 10/30/2013 12:55 PM, Heenan, Lambert wrote:
> x-posted to Access-L and Access-D
>
> I'm hoping someone out there has some experience of this. This is my first time working a non-Access back end.
>
> Using Access 2010 connected to an Oracle 10g back end and using a System DSN.
>
> It is HORRIBLY slow!!  Here's the scenario.
>
> I have a table of people (~20,000 rows) and a table or related assets (~24,000 rows), and I'm displaying the data in a form/continuous sub form setup. The Main form and Sub form a linked via the Primary key of the people table and the corresponding foreign key in the assets table.
>
> The main form is bound to the people table via a simple select query. The record source of the form is set when a person is selected from an unbound combobox...
>              Me.RecordSource = "select * from MyQuery Where ID=" & ComboBox.
> This same combobox selection also sets the record source for the continuous sub form
>              Me.View_Data_sub_frm.Form.RecordSource = "Select * from 
> AnotherQuery Where FKID=" & ComboBox
>
> When the front end is hooked up to an Access back-end (and MDB file) it takes about 0.1 seconds to set the form record source, and another 5.5 seconds to set the sub-form record source and display the data.
>
> When connected to the Oracle back end the record source of the main form is a Pass Though query as it is calling a decrypt function in the Oracle back end, the record source of the sub-form is the same query as used with the Access back end. Setting the record source for the main form now takes about 70 seconds and it takes a further 40 seconds to set the sub form record source.  In the first step - setting the main form record source, if I just use the original non-pass through query it takes about 40 seconds to select the data, and another 40 to get the related data.
>
> Any thoughts on improving these awful response times?
>
> Lambert
>
>

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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Wed Oct 30 12:51:31 2013
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 10:51:31 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access on a tablet
In-Reply-To: <001e01ced547$4affb770$e0ff2650$@cactus.dk>
References: <001e01ced547$4affb770$e0ff2650$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met8=1TKM6EgYfW4BC7xsYE4EEb85QoL-drZzaiC8SgY-Sg@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, it is an ATIV.  Mine is running full 32-bit Windows 8. I've had it for
about a year and a half.  It does run the desktop and when I bought it it
retailed for about $500 here.

Charlotte


On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 1:09 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Charlotte
>
> Is that the Ativ Tab 7? It is very expensive over here, though equipped
> with
> a 128 GB SSD.
> I see a model with 32 GB but that is with Windows 8 RT, thus no desktop and
> A2010.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Charlotte Foust
> Sendt: 29. oktober 2013 18:22
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Access on a tablet
>
> No one has mentioned the Samsung Tablet PC.  I have one running Win 8 Pro,
> and I installed full Access 2010 on it.  Mine only has 32 GB disk space but
> Access works.  I installed it before I got a new laptop with Office 2013
> installed.
>
> Charlotte
>
>
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Wed Oct 30 12:54:54 2013
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 10:54:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access on a tablet
In-Reply-To: <001e01ced547$4affb770$e0ff2650$@cactus.dk>
References: <001e01ced547$4affb770$e0ff2650$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_9u5jrn3jfTy7ccFbybM=t7A6ig9dSL4CJvTMR1_r=8Q@mail.gmail.com>

I was confusing the disk size with the 32Gb memory card also in the
machine.  I believe my tablet has a smaller SSD than that, but I can't
check it right now.

Charlotte


On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 1:09 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Charlotte
>
> Is that the Ativ Tab 7? It is very expensive over here, though equipped
> with
> a 128 GB SSD.
> I see a model with 32 GB but that is with Windows 8 RT, thus no desktop and
> A2010.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Charlotte Foust
> Sendt: 29. oktober 2013 18:22
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Access on a tablet
>
> No one has mentioned the Samsung Tablet PC.  I have one running Win 8 Pro,
> and I installed full Access 2010 on it.  Mine only has 32 GB disk space but
> Access works.  I installed it before I got a new laptop with Office 2013
> installed.
>
> Charlotte
>
>
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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Wed Oct 30 13:10:25 2013
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:10:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Problems Exporting Access Summary Report to Excel
References: <1383145498.72624.YahooMailNeo@web125602.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501B0A929@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

All,

In the past, I have experimented with exporting Access Reports to Excel,
but I have never had much success.  

Most of the reports that I have worked with in the past were fairly
complex (dynamic sorts, dynamic filters, conditional formatting,
sub-totals, etc.)

Recently, one of our users has requested that a rather simple Access
report be exported to Excel.
This report reads data from a purchased package's General Ledger tables.

The detail lines of the report are not visible.  There are groupings on
Month/Year and on the General Ledger Account Number.  Here is a small
example of what the report looks like.


Account-AAA  Total $1,000
Account-BBB  Total $2,000
Account-CCC  Total $3,000
   01 2013 Month Total $6,000

Account-AAA  Total $1,100
Account-BBB  Total $2,200
Account-CCC  Total $3,300
   02 2013 Month Total $6,600


There are many records in the underlying GL table.  The use of Access
Report "Groups" makes it very easy to obtain the sub-totals at the two
levels (by Account within Month).

When I try to export the report to Excel, however, things do not turn
out very nicely. For example, the Month and Year fields are not shown.
Instead, "AccessTotalsAmount:" is shown for each cell in this Excel
column.

What I am really trying to ask, is if there is a way to employ report
groupings and then be able to successfully export such a summary report
to Excel.

Perhaps there is another way to do this.

Thanks,
Brad   


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 30 13:24:03 2013
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 19:24:03 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access on a tablet
Message-ID: <s2715cee.074@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

Oh, then it is most likely not available anymore, or it simply isn't promoted here. That happens.

/gustav

>>> charlotte.foust at gmail.com 30-10-13 18:51 >>>
Yes, it is an ATIV.  Mine is running full 32-bit Windows 8. I've had it for
about a year and a half.  It does run the desktop and when I bought it it
retailed for about $500 here.

Charlotte


On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 1:09 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Charlotte
>
> Is that the Ativ Tab 7? It is very expensive over here, though equipped with
> a 128 GB SSD.
> I see a model with 32 GB but that is with Windows 8 RT, thus no desktop and
> A2010.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Charlotte Foust
> Sendt: 29. oktober 2013 18:22
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Access on a tablet
>
> No one has mentioned the Samsung Tablet PC.  I have one running Win 8 Pro,
> and I installed full Access 2010 on it.  Mine only has 32 GB disk space but
> Access works.  I installed it before I got a new laptop with Office 2013
> installed.
>
> Charlotte


From Rusty.Hammond at cpiqpc.com  Wed Oct 30 13:46:36 2013
From: Rusty.Hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:46:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Problems Exporting Access Summary Report to Excel
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501B0A929@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <1383145498.72624.YahooMailNeo@web125602.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501B0A929@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701F3904EA@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>

Brad,

I've usually had better success doing the summary of data in a query and
exporting the query when going to Excel.  As you say, there's no simple
way of exporting the report when there are groupings involved.

Rusty




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 1:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Problems Exporting Access Summary Report to Excel

All,

In the past, I have experimented with exporting Access Reports to Excel,
but I have never had much success.  

Most of the reports that I have worked with in the past were fairly
complex (dynamic sorts, dynamic filters, conditional formatting,
sub-totals, etc.)

Recently, one of our users has requested that a rather simple Access
report be exported to Excel.
This report reads data from a purchased package's General Ledger tables.

The detail lines of the report are not visible.  There are groupings on
Month/Year and on the General Ledger Account Number.  Here is a small
example of what the report looks like.


Account-AAA  Total $1,000
Account-BBB  Total $2,000
Account-CCC  Total $3,000
   01 2013 Month Total $6,000

Account-AAA  Total $1,100
Account-BBB  Total $2,200
Account-CCC  Total $3,300
   02 2013 Month Total $6,600


There are many records in the underlying GL table.  The use of Access
Report "Groups" makes it very easy to obtain the sub-totals at the two
levels (by Account within Month).

When I try to export the report to Excel, however, things do not turn
out very nicely. For example, the Month and Year fields are not shown.
Instead, "AccessTotalsAmount:" is shown for each cell in this Excel
column.

What I am really trying to ask, is if there is a way to employ report
groupings and then be able to successfully export such a summary report
to Excel.

Perhaps there is another way to do this.

Thanks,
Brad   

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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Wed Oct 30 13:59:05 2013
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:59:05 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Problems Exporting Access Summary Report to Excel
References: <1383145498.72624.YahooMailNeo@web125602.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501B0A929@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
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Rusty,

Thanks for the help.

I have experimented with the SQL for the query related to the report in
question.

I understand how the "Group By" can be used to obtain sub-totals for one
"level" such as "GL Account".

What I don't understand is how to also obtain a sub-total for each
month.

Is this possible with SQL? (Two levels of sub-totals via a query)

Thanks,
Brad 




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 1:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Problems Exporting Access Summary Report to Excel

Brad,

I've usually had better success doing the summary of data in a query and
exporting the query when going to Excel.  As you say, there's no simple
way of exporting the report when there are groupings involved.

Rusty




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 1:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Problems Exporting Access Summary Report to Excel

All,

In the past, I have experimented with exporting Access Reports to Excel,
but I have never had much success.  

Most of the reports that I have worked with in the past were fairly
complex (dynamic sorts, dynamic filters, conditional formatting,
sub-totals, etc.)

Recently, one of our users has requested that a rather simple Access
report be exported to Excel.
This report reads data from a purchased package's General Ledger tables.

The detail lines of the report are not visible.  There are groupings on
Month/Year and on the General Ledger Account Number.  Here is a small
example of what the report looks like.


Account-AAA  Total $1,000
Account-BBB  Total $2,000
Account-CCC  Total $3,000
   01 2013 Month Total $6,000

Account-AAA  Total $1,100
Account-BBB  Total $2,200
Account-CCC  Total $3,300
   02 2013 Month Total $6,600


There are many records in the underlying GL table.  The use of Access
Report "Groups" makes it very easy to obtain the sub-totals at the two
levels (by Account within Month).

When I try to export the report to Excel, however, things do not turn
out very nicely. For example, the Month and Year fields are not shown.
Instead, "AccessTotalsAmount:" is shown for each cell in this Excel
column.

What I am really trying to ask, is if there is a way to employ report
groupings and then be able to successfully export such a summary report
to Excel.

Perhaps there is another way to do this.

Thanks,
Brad   

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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Wed Oct 30 14:26:46 2013
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 15:26:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] The Future of Access
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hAPdobo_5D=BVQxYYULnsM854srKdEG5wkvAYL2TtmVw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hAPdobo_5D=BVQxYYULnsM854srKdEG5wkvAYL2TtmVw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52715D76.90803@torchlake.com>

I'm going to look into this, Arthur, as you have invited.  Thank you.
TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 10/22/2013 5:30 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> NOT! MS has pretty much declared that Access has no future, at least among
> the developer community. So then. where is one to go? Visual Studio? A very
> steep climb. Alpha Anywhere is for my bet a much more profitable path, both
> intellectually and economically.
>
> I have emotional/intellectual bonds with Alpha, and the folks behind it
> have offered me a chance to bundle a bunch of you into a quantity-purchase
> of said product. First of all, let me declare that I have no shares or any
> other fiscal interest in Alpha, I simply love the software. Next, the Alpha
> people have offered me the opportunity to aggregate a group of developers
> into a group-purchase of the licensing.
>
> Before you bite the bullet, you can taste its treats by visiting
> www.alphasotware.com and follow the links. You can obtain a free trial
> there, and also view some vids describing the software.
>
> I am doing this as a service to the Access Developers community. I stand to
> gain zero dollars for these efforts. I am not in any way aligned in any
> economic sense with the folks behind Alpha, although I have become
> net-friends with the principals.
>
> And this is why they have offered an opportunity to all of you, via me.
> Here's the nut:
>
> Alpha Anywhere beats Access and Visual Studio and RoR, no contest.
> You can grab a 20-day trial from AlphaSoftware.com. The demos are
> astounding. Way way way beyond Northwind.
>
> So here's the deal. Visit Alpha's web site, download a trial version,
> inspect the demos, and decide whether this is a path worth investment. If
> you decide Yes, and a minimum of ten of you do decide Yes, then I can
> arrange a bulk-purchase. You don't have to say Yes at once. Download the
> trial and see the future of your development projects.
>
> I've already stated it but I'll say it again: I have no fiscal interest in
> this project or the privately-held company. I do work with the team and
> have embarked on writing some articles about the transition from Access to
> Alpha Anywhere, ultimately to be posted on their web site. I am receiving
> no remuneration for these efforts. I am as objective as can be.
>
> Back to the subject,the future of Access. In a word, None.
>
> Download the trial edition. Walk through the tuts. See what can be done
> with this remarkable software. And if you like what you see, I can arrange
> a bulk purchase of Alpha Anywhere, for a significant discount from the
> individual price.
>
> Why, you might ask, am I doing this? First of all, I stand absolutely no
> fiscal gain. I'm doing this because a) I love the software', and b) as an
> Access developer and (I like to think) a significant contributor to our
> community, and c) as a consequence of my active participation in the Access
> developers community, I recognize that MS has failed us dramatically, and
> we need a new place to go.
>
> So here's the deal. 1) Download the trial from www.alphasoftware.com. 2)
> Take the demos for a spin. 3) If you like what you see, contact me
> privately and join the bulk-purchase thing that II have arranged with
> Alpha. It won't cost you a cent up front, and there will be no deal until I
> get at least 10 people willing to participate.
>
> Let me re-state this: I have absolutely no fiscal interest in doing this. I
> am doing this because a) I love the Alpha software; b) like many Access
> developers, I have hit the wall that MS built; and c) I have built many
> cyber-friendships with Access developers all around the world, and have
> learned much from them, and feel the need to pay back.
>
> So... here's what to do. First, download the trial Alpha Anywhere. Second,
> play with the samples. Third, decide whether you want into this new
> platform. Fourth, email me privately that you want into the bulk purchase
> that I am trying to build.
>
> It won't cost you a penny until we achieve the threshold of 10 particpants.
> And at the risk of repitition, I stand to gain absolutely no remuneration
> from this effort. I have talked with the people at Alpha, and in fact this
> was their idea not mine. But this is the bottom line: MS has abandoned us
> Access developers, and Alpha offers an elegant way out and a way into the
> future.
>
> If you're feeling trapped in Access or for that matter in Visual Studio,
> please download the trial edition of Alpha, and if you like what you see,
> get back to me and I'll put you on my list for a bulk-purchase.
>
> If I sound like an evangelist for Alpha, then I plead Guilty, but I must
> re-state that I stand to gain absolutely nothing in the way of payment or
> anything else. I asked them for a couple of gorgeous hookers, for an
> evening, but they declined :) So I still have my integrity intact LOL.
>


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Oct 30 14:54:42 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 12:54:42 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Problems Exporting Access Summary Report to Excel
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501B0A929@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <1383145498.72624.YahooMailNeo@web125602.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501B0A929@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <8F774989DBCC4620BE47206EC52D5B86@HAL9007>

Can you use a summation query as the source of your TransferSpreadsheet to
get the grouping totals?

When faced with more an a simple flat file export I've often had to resort
to creating the spreadsheet with automation, and pushing the data directly
into the cells where I want them to be.  It's more work but the advantage is
that you have total control of the format - column width, row height, font,
color, formulas, etc.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 11:10 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Problems Exporting Access Summary Report to Excel

All,

In the past, I have experimented with exporting Access Reports to Excel, but
I have never had much success.  

Most of the reports that I have worked with in the past were fairly complex
(dynamic sorts, dynamic filters, conditional formatting, sub-totals, etc.)

Recently, one of our users has requested that a rather simple Access report
be exported to Excel.
This report reads data from a purchased package's General Ledger tables.

The detail lines of the report are not visible.  There are groupings on
Month/Year and on the General Ledger Account Number.  Here is a small
example of what the report looks like.


Account-AAA  Total $1,000
Account-BBB  Total $2,000
Account-CCC  Total $3,000
   01 2013 Month Total $6,000

Account-AAA  Total $1,100
Account-BBB  Total $2,200
Account-CCC  Total $3,300
   02 2013 Month Total $6,600


There are many records in the underlying GL table.  The use of Access Report
"Groups" makes it very easy to obtain the sub-totals at the two levels (by
Account within Month).

When I try to export the report to Excel, however, things do not turn out
very nicely. For example, the Month and Year fields are not shown.
Instead, "AccessTotalsAmount:" is shown for each cell in this Excel column.

What I am really trying to ask, is if there is a way to employ report
groupings and then be able to successfully export such a summary report to
Excel.

Perhaps there is another way to do this.

Thanks,
Brad   

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From dkalsow at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 30 15:50:50 2013
From: dkalsow at yahoo.com (Dale Kalsow)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:50:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Saved Export
In-Reply-To: <527139B1.7030706@gmail.com>
References: <1383145498.72624.YahooMailNeo@web125602.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<527139B1.7030706@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1383166250.66954.YahooMailNeo@web125601.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

mmm - I have tried to figure out how to use the wizard to modify it with not luck.? Not sure that feature is available.



On Wednesday, October 30, 2013 11:57 AM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
  
I haven't seen a reply yet.? There is a very clunky wizard for creating these things, and you use 
the same wizard to get into it and edit it.? It is a pITA and it always takes me forever to figure 
out how to get back in so I am not going to do that for you but there ya go.

The results are stored in MSys tables.

My suggestion would be creating a query which is exported.? That way you just edit that query to 
make changes.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


On 10/30/2013 11:04 AM, Dale Kalsow wrote:
> I have a saved export in Access 2010 that I need to modify.? Does anyone know how to do this?
>? 
> The saved export exports a table to a xml file.? I need to know add some fields to the export.
>? 
> Thanks
> Dale

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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Oct 30 16:01:38 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 17:01:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access source control
Message-ID: <527173B2.3000701@gmail.com>

Is anyone using the source control extension for Access 2007 (and above I assume).  It appears to 
use Team Foundation Server MSSCCI Provider and then something called Microsoft Access developers 
extensions.

I have it and am about to start trying to make it work.  Another developer here says it "kinda sorta 
works" but I know nothing more than that at this point.

-- 
John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Oct 30 16:18:23 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 07:18:23 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access source control
In-Reply-To: <527173B2.3000701@gmail.com>
References: <527173B2.3000701@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5271779F.128.27166007@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

No.  But I'm about to start a collaborative project (most unusual for me, I generally work alone 
) and would appreciate your feedback.

-- 
Stuart

On 30 Oct 2013 at 17:01, John W Colby wrote:

> Is anyone using the source control extension for Access 2007 (and
> above I assume).  It appears to use Team Foundation Server MSSCCI
> Provider and then something called Microsoft Access developers
> extensions.
> 
> I have it and am about to start trying to make it work.  Another
> developer here says it "kinda sorta works" but I know nothing more
> than that at this point.
> 
> -- 
> John W. Colby
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
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From Rusty.Hammond at cpiqpc.com  Wed Oct 30 16:27:06 2013
From: Rusty.Hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 16:27:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Problems Exporting Access Summary Report to Excel
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501B0A945@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <1383145498.72624.YahooMailNeo@web125602.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501B0A929@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701F3904EA@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501B0A945@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701F3904F1@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>

Doesn't seem real clean but another query with the first level query as
it's source?

Rusty 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 1:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Problems Exporting Access Summary Report to Excel

Rusty,

Thanks for the help.

I have experimented with the SQL for the query related to the report in
question.

I understand how the "Group By" can be used to obtain sub-totals for one
"level" such as "GL Account".

What I don't understand is how to also obtain a sub-total for each
month.

Is this possible with SQL? (Two levels of sub-totals via a query)

Thanks,
Brad 




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 1:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Problems Exporting Access Summary Report to Excel

Brad,

I've usually had better success doing the summary of data in a query and
exporting the query when going to Excel.  As you say, there's no simple
way of exporting the report when there are groupings involved.

Rusty




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 1:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Problems Exporting Access Summary Report to Excel

All,

In the past, I have experimented with exporting Access Reports to Excel,
but I have never had much success.  

Most of the reports that I have worked with in the past were fairly
complex (dynamic sorts, dynamic filters, conditional formatting,
sub-totals, etc.)

Recently, one of our users has requested that a rather simple Access
report be exported to Excel.
This report reads data from a purchased package's General Ledger tables.

The detail lines of the report are not visible.  There are groupings on
Month/Year and on the General Ledger Account Number.  Here is a small
example of what the report looks like.


Account-AAA  Total $1,000
Account-BBB  Total $2,000
Account-CCC  Total $3,000
   01 2013 Month Total $6,000

Account-AAA  Total $1,100
Account-BBB  Total $2,200
Account-CCC  Total $3,300
   02 2013 Month Total $6,600


There are many records in the underlying GL table.  The use of Access
Report "Groups" makes it very easy to obtain the sub-totals at the two
levels (by Account within Month).

When I try to export the report to Excel, however, things do not turn
out very nicely. For example, the Month and Year fields are not shown.
Instead, "AccessTotalsAmount:" is shown for each cell in this Excel
column.

What I am really trying to ask, is if there is a way to employ report
groupings and then be able to successfully export such a summary report
to Excel.

Perhaps there is another way to do this.

Thanks,
Brad   

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Oct 30 17:59:03 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 18:59:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access source control
In-Reply-To: <5271779F.128.27166007@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <527173B2.3000701@gmail.com>
	<5271779F.128.27166007@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gRXgKUKCXhCpQSQU5DqGUQWDNE8mbjhvN7mMvrHuWLdA@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Stuart,

I would be most happy to participate in any possible way in your upcoming
project. As you know, I've declared myself semi-retired, and therefore no
longer out for loot but rather the challenges that lurk out there in the
deep waters.

Tell me more about this project and how I might fit in to your grand plans.

A.


On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> No.  But I'm about to start a collaborative project (most unusual for me,
> I generally work alone
> ) and would appreciate your feedback.
>
> --
> Stuart
>
> On 30 Oct 2013 at 17:01, John W Colby wrote:
>
> > Is anyone using the source control extension for Access 2007 (and
> > above I assume).  It appears to use Team Foundation Server MSSCCI
> > Provider and then something called Microsoft Access developers
> > extensions.
> >
> > I have it and am about to start trying to make it work.  Another
> > developer here says it "kinda sorta works" but I know nothing more
> > than that at this point.
> >
> > --
> > John W. Colby
> >
> > Reality is what refuses to go away
> > when you do not believe in it
> >
> > --
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Oct 30 18:58:46 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 09:58:46 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access source control
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gRXgKUKCXhCpQSQU5DqGUQWDNE8mbjhvN7mMvrHuWLdA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <527173B2.3000701@gmail.com>,
	<5271779F.128.27166007@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<CAEPJO1gRXgKUKCXhCpQSQU5DqGUQWDNE8mbjhvN7mMvrHuWLdA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52719D36.21676.27A9363C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Replied off-list

On 30 Oct 2013 at 18:59, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> Hey Stuart,
> 
> I would be most happy to participate in any possible way in your
> upcoming project. As you know, I've declared myself semi-retired, and
> therefore no longer out for loot but rather the challenges that lurk
> out there in the deep waters.
> 
> Tell me more about this project and how I might fit in to your grand
> plans.
> 
> A.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Stuart McLachlan
> <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:
> 
> > No.  But I'm about to start a collaborative project (most unusual
> > for me, I generally work alone ) and would appreciate your feedback.
> >
> > --
> > Stuart
> >
> > On 30 Oct 2013 at 17:01, John W Colby wrote:
> >
> > > Is anyone using the source control extension for Access 2007 (and
> > > above I assume).  It appears to use Team Foundation Server MSSCCI
> > > Provider and then something called Microsoft Access developers
> > > extensions.
> > >
> > > I have it and am about to start trying to make it work.  Another
> > > developer here says it "kinda sorta works" but I know nothing more
> > > than that at this point.
> > >
> > > --
> > > John W. Colby
> > >
> > > Reality is what refuses to go away
> > > when you do not believe in it
> > >
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Thu Oct 31 01:14:42 2013
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 17:14:42 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] A2003:Deploying Reports to ReportingServices
Message-ID: <044b01ced600$7e9fd0b0$7bdf7210$@activebilling.com.au>

Hi Team,

Has anyone tried to deploy reports (RDL Files) to Reporting Services using
the rs.exe, via some VBA interface?

If so, would you mind sharing? <grin>

Many thanks in advance

Darren

 


From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Oct 31 03:32:11 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 09:32:11 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access source control
Message-ID: <019601ced613$b1c5b550$15511ff0$@cactus.dk>

Hi John

The client (if that is not what you have) is here:

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=24569

As stated, it works with Microsoft Visual SourceSafe or "other source code
control systems". Whether that covers TFS, I don't know, but I would be very
interested to know if you should succeed finding out.
I have tested it with VSS and, true, it "kinda sorta works". It doesn't free
you from frequent backups as I don't know if it can manage to recover from a
crash of the accdb file which may happen and where you normally have to
revert to a backup or import objects into a new database.

Charlotte has several times reported about her past experience with VSS as
"so-and-so".

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John W Colby
Sendt: 30. oktober 2013 22:02
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: [AccessD] Access source control

Is anyone using the source control extension for Access 2007 (and above I
assume).  It appears to use Team Foundation Server MSSCCI Provider and then
something called Microsoft Access developers extensions.

I have it and am about to start trying to make it work.  Another developer
here says it "kinda sorta works" but I know nothing more than that at this
point.

--
John W. Colby



From anita at ddisolutions.com.au  Thu Oct 31 03:56:00 2013
From: anita at ddisolutions.com.au (Anita Smith)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 08:56:00 +0000
Subject: [AccessD]  adp
Message-ID: <0B4AA61FDEF597449F7D28C41E786D965352C8@DDI-DC1.DDI.local>

Hi Guys & Gals,
Long time, no activity on my part - so long in fact that I can't remember how to post here. Don't fry me if I make a mistake ;-)

Anyhow, it is with horror that I find out that Access 2013 will not support Access Data Projects. Yikes!

I'm wondering what the general Access Community has to say about that. Is there a preferred way of working with SQL Server as a back end? Will ODBC do the job as well?

Anita Smith
Former contributor ... now avid procastinator extradordinare


From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Thu Oct 31 04:15:41 2013
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 22:15:41 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] adp
In-Reply-To: <0B4AA61FDEF597449F7D28C41E786D965352C8@DDI-DC1.DDI.local>
References: <0B4AA61FDEF597449F7D28C41E786D965352C8@DDI-DC1.DDI.local>
Message-ID: <006901ced619$c5875430$5095fc90$@dalyn.co.nz>

Anita,

There has been a series of articles in LinkedIn for using ado connections
which I have found interesting (watch line wrap):

http://www.linkedin.com/groupAnswers?viewQuestionAndAnswers=&discussionID=24
7036278&gid=4843954&commentID=-1&trk=view_disc&fromEmail=&ut=13R5WPiPb9N5Y1 

http://www.linkedin.com/groupAnswers?viewQuestionAndAnswers=&discussionID=24
7036474&gid=4843954&commentID=-1&trk=view_disc&fromEmail=&ut=0uWilMBeLaN5Y1 

http://www.linkedin.com/groups/Access-ADO-SQL-Server-perfect-4843954.S.24703
6822?view=&gid=4843954&type=member&item=247036822&commentID=-1&trk=view_disc


http://www.linkedin.com/groupAnswers?viewQuestionAndAnswers=&discussionID=24
7037047&gid=4843954&commentID=-1&trk=view_disc&fromEmail=&ut=0JidNrJKXbN5Y1 


Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Anita Smith
Sent: Thursday, 31 October 2013 9:56 p.m.
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] adp

Hi Guys & Gals,
Long time, no activity on my part - so long in fact that I can't remember
how to post here. Don't fry me if I make a mistake ;-)

Anyhow, it is with horror that I find out that Access 2013 will not support
Access Data Projects. Yikes!

I'm wondering what the general Access Community has to say about that. Is
there a preferred way of working with SQL Server as a back end? Will ODBC do
the job as well?

Anita Smith
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Oct 31 04:33:35 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 10:33:35 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] adp
Message-ID: <01b401ced61c$4596eb70$d0c4c250$@cactus.dk>

Hi Anita

You succeeded! Welcome back.

ODBC will work - but may require a major rework of the frontend.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Anita Smith
Sendt: 31. oktober 2013 09:56
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: [AccessD] adp

Hi Guys & Gals,
Long time, no activity on my part - so long in fact that I can't remember
how to post here. Don't fry me if I make a mistake ;-)

Anyhow, it is with horror that I find out that Access 2013 will not support
Access Data Projects. Yikes!

I'm wondering what the general Access Community has to say about that. Is
there a preferred way of working with SQL Server as a back end? Will ODBC do
the job as well?

Anita Smith
Former contributor ... now avid procastinator extradordinare 



From darren at activebilling.com.au  Thu Oct 31 05:12:10 2013
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 21:12:10 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] adp
Message-ID: <045901ced621$abc125f0$034371d0$@activebilling.com.au>

Anita Smith!!!

WOW! A blast from the past!! - Great to hear from you. I do hope all is
well.
Funny I was thinking of you just the other week. My Wife and I drove back
from Melbourne (to Sydney) and we went by your way (We went via Wagga to see
my eldest daughter).
I was wondering if you were still doing this stuff and living in that part
of the world.

Yep, ADPs. Yeah not s lot to say there really but gorrne. Having said that
some folk here use them, I don't. So they will be better set to answer those
questions.
Anyway, I work a lot with SQL Server and I find ODBC is just fine - Speeds
are good and connections solid and learning curve not too steep.
But I imagine the SQL Server side of things is not an issue for you.

If you like I have a simple Access Connection and results retriever demo I
can send off-list that builds the relevant fields for the grids 'on-the-fly'
Again, great to hear from you.

Darren


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Anita Smith
Sent: Thursday, 31 October 2013 7:56 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] adp

Hi Guys & Gals,
Long time, no activity on my part - so long in fact that I can't remember
how to post here. Don't fry me if I make a mistake ;-)

Anyhow, it is with horror that I find out that Access 2013 will not support
Access Data Projects. Yikes!

I'm wondering what the general Access Community has to say about that. Is
there a preferred way of working with SQL Server as a back end? Will ODBC do
the job as well?

Anita Smith
Former contributor ... now avid procastinator extradordinare

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From anita at ddisolutions.com.au  Thu Oct 31 05:30:05 2013
From: anita at ddisolutions.com.au (Anita Smith)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 10:30:05 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] adp
In-Reply-To: <045901ced621$abc125f0$034371d0$@activebilling.com.au>
References: <045901ced621$abc125f0$034371d0$@activebilling.com.au>
Message-ID: <0B4AA61FDEF597449F7D28C41E786D96535321@DDI-DC1.DDI.local>

Yes, I'm still in Albury NSW (Australia) and loving it. Still love working with Access. Love the speed with which awesome programs can be created and modified.

These days I work mostly with SQL Server as I really love the power of stored procedures.  I'm guessing that it would be possible to use ODBC for the regular binding of forms etc. and that it may be possible to programmatically make a connection to an SQL Database for running stored procedures. 

Darren - I would love the simple Access Connection and results retriever demo. It has been too long since I've taken the time to get inspired by the work of others.

David E - Great links - whatdoyaknow  I didn't even know that LinkedIn had discussions like that - I must be getting too old to keep up ;-)  

Gustav - Good to see that you are still here - daw do! :-)

Anita Smith




Anita Smith!!!

WOW! A blast from the past!! - Great to hear from you. I do hope all is well.
Funny I was thinking of you just the other week. My Wife and I drove back from Melbourne (to Sydney) and we went by your way (We went via Wagga to see my eldest daughter).
I was wondering if you were still doing this stuff and living in that part of the world.

Yep, ADPs. Yeah not s lot to say there really but gorrne. Having said that some folk here use them, I don't. So they will be better set to answer those questions.
Anyway, I work a lot with SQL Server and I find ODBC is just fine - Speeds are good and connections solid and learning curve not too steep.
But I imagine the SQL Server side of things is not an issue for you.

If you like I have a simple Access Connection and results retriever demo I can send off-list that builds the relevant fields for the grids 'on-the-fly'
Again, great to hear from you.

Darren


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Anita Smith
Sent: Thursday, 31 October 2013 7:56 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] adp

Hi Guys & Gals,
Long time, no activity on my part - so long in fact that I can't remember how to post here. Don't fry me if I make a mistake ;-)

Anyhow, it is with horror that I find out that Access 2013 will not support Access Data Projects. Yikes!

I'm wondering what the general Access Community has to say about that. Is there a preferred way of working with SQL Server as a back end? Will ODBC do the job as well?

Anita Smith
Former contributor ... now avid procastinator extradordinare



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Oct 31 06:08:32 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 21:08:32 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] adp
In-Reply-To: <0B4AA61FDEF597449F7D28C41E786D96535321@DDI-DC1.DDI.local>
References: <045901ced621$abc125f0$034371d0$@activebilling.com.au>,
	<0B4AA61FDEF597449F7D28C41E786D96535321@DDI-DC1.DDI.local>
Message-ID: <52723A30.16845.2A0E6850@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Hi Anita,

Wow, first post since 22 May 09 based on my AccessD archive :-)

Check out Passthrough Queries for pulling data from stored procedures.

Good article here by Juan Soto who is active on the LinkedIn PMADN forum.

http://accessexperts.com/blog/2011/07/29/sql-server-stored-procedure-guide-for-microsoft-a
ccess-part-1/

-- 
Stuart


On 31 Oct 2013 at 10:30, Anita Smith wrote:

> Yes, I'm still in Albury NSW (Australia) and loving it. Still love
> working with Access. Love the speed with which awesome programs can be
> created and modified.
> 
> These days I work mostly with SQL Server as I really love the power of
> stored procedures.  I'm guessing that it would be possible to use ODBC
> for the regular binding of forms etc. and that it may be possible to
> programmatically make a connection to an SQL Database for running
> stored procedures. 
> 
> Darren - I would love the simple Access Connection and results
> retriever demo. It has been too long since I've taken the time to get
> inspired by the work of others.
> 
> David E - Great links - whatdoyaknow  I didn't even know that LinkedIn
> had discussions like that - I must be getting too old to keep up ;-)  
> 
> Gustav - Good to see that you are still here - daw do! :-)
> 
> Anita Smith
> 


From anita at ddisolutions.com.au  Thu Oct 31 06:21:58 2013
From: anita at ddisolutions.com.au (Anita Smith)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 11:21:58 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] adp
In-Reply-To: <52723A30.16845.2A0E6850@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <045901ced621$abc125f0$034371d0$@activebilling.com.au>,
	<0B4AA61FDEF597449F7D28C41E786D96535321@DDI-DC1.DDI.local>
	<52723A30.16845.2A0E6850@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <0B4AA61FDEF597449F7D28C41E786D96535350@DDI-DC1.DDI.local>

Stuart,

Really? - my first post since 2009. Wow that was back when I was still young and whatnot. Now I'm just whatnot!

Oh and - great link. It has exactly what I need. My blood pressure just fell into normal range and I should be able to sleep like a baby - PHEW!

Anita Smith



Hi Anita,

Wow, first post since 22 May 09 based on my AccessD archive :-)

Check out Passthrough Queries for pulling data from stored procedures.

Good article here by Juan Soto who is active on the LinkedIn PMADN forum.

http://accessexperts.com/blog/2011/07/29/sql-server-stored-procedure-guide-for-microsoft-a
ccess-part-1/

-- 
Stuart





From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Oct 31 07:12:57 2013
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 08:12:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] adp
In-Reply-To: <0B4AA61FDEF597449F7D28C41E786D965352C8@DDI-DC1.DDI.local>
References: <0B4AA61FDEF597449F7D28C41E786D965352C8@DDI-DC1.DDI.local>
Message-ID: <A6510C77EABA483AA5326090DF6679D0@XPS>

Nice to see you back...

Yes, ADP's are gone as are many other features in 2013:

Discontinued features and modified functionality in Access 2013 
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/access-help/discontinued-features-and-modi
fied-functionality-in-access-2013-HA102749226.aspx

And for me so much so that I'll be taking clients up to Access 2010 and no
further.  The killer for me was the Access 2003 toolbar and menus and to a
lesser extent, the removal of support for dbf files.

I've posted this a couple times in the past, but for working with Access and
SQL Server via ODBC, you want to read through some of the great tips in the
"Best of both Worlds" download, which you can find here:

http://www.jstreettech.com/cartgenie/pg_developerDownloads.asp

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Anita Smith
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 04:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] adp

Hi Guys & Gals,
Long time, no activity on my part - so long in fact that I can't remember
how to post here. Don't fry me if I make a mistake ;-)

Anyhow, it is with horror that I find out that Access 2013 will not support
Access Data Projects. Yikes!

I'm wondering what the general Access Community has to say about that. Is
there a preferred way of working with SQL Server as a back end? Will ODBC do
the job as well?

Anita Smith
Former contributor ... now avid procastinator extradordinare

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Oct 31 08:22:01 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 09:22:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] adp
In-Reply-To: <0B4AA61FDEF597449F7D28C41E786D965352C8@DDI-DC1.DDI.local>
References: <0B4AA61FDEF597449F7D28C41E786D965352C8@DDI-DC1.DDI.local>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1geePdepBk07snMPxWkkw5672iZqae=wie-=b04M200UA@mail.gmail.com>

This is news to me, Anita, but not surprisiing. MS has pretty much
abandoned Access as a platform for developers, it would seem. Despite the
fact that the ADP format remains the finest way to address an instance of
SQL Server.

In short, stick with what you already have. I stopped upgrading at Office
2007, which works nicely with ADPs. Personally, I have switched horses and
now devote my hours to mastering Alpha Anywhere. But I still have clients
for whom I wrote Access apps, so I'll never be gone from this field of
endeavour.

Arthur


On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 4:56 AM, Anita Smith <anita at ddisolutions.com.au>wrote:

> Hi Guys & Gals,
> Long time, no activity on my part - so long in fact that I can't remember
> how to post here. Don't fry me if I make a mistake ;-)
>
> Anyhow, it is with horror that I find out that Access 2013 will not
> support Access Data Projects. Yikes!
>
> I'm wondering what the general Access Community has to say about that. Is
> there a preferred way of working with SQL Server as a back end? Will ODBC
> do the job as well?
>
> Anita Smith
> Former contributor ... now avid procastinator extradordinare
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
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From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Thu Oct 31 08:36:54 2013
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 09:36:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Slo-o-o-w ODBC connection to Oracle - Solved
Message-ID: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F980210606932@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>

Spot on Emilia. I had already discovered your solution.

There were in fact two sources of delay. In the sub-form the record source had SELECT DISTINCT... which was causing a full table scan, and the DISTINCT was unnecessary anyway.

The problem with the main form was indeed that I was attempting to apply the where clause 'externally' with 

Me.RecordSource = "select * from MyQuery Where ID=" & ComboBox.

My solution was to make a copy of the pass-through query "MyQuery" to use as a template, and then at runtime I retrieve its SQL, add the WHERE clause to the SQL string, and then use that to update the SQL of MyQuery. Problem solved.

Thanks to all.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: Microsoft Access Database Discussion List [mailto:ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM] On Behalf Of Emilia Maxim
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 3:25 PM
To: ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM
Subject: Re: Slo-o-o-w ODBC connection to Oracle

Lambert,

> The main form is bound to the people table via a simple select query. 
> The record source of the form is set when a person is selected from an 
> unbound combobox...
>           Me.RecordSource = "select * from MyQuery Where ID=" & ComboBox.

> This same combobox selection also sets the record source for the continuous
>   sub form
>              Me.View_Data_sub_frm.Form.RecordSource = "Select * from 
> Anoth= erQuery Where FKID=" & ComboBox

What about MyQuery and AnotherQuery? I guess if you set the Where condition as above, Access will pull all data from both queries, and would filter them only afterwards, i.e. locally.

Pass thru queries cannot be used here, because they are not updatable, and I think the forms are not only to display data, but also to modify them. Maybe you could modify the SQL of MyQuery and AnotherQuery themselves by building the Where condition.


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Emilia, TWIG

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Stuttgart, Germany

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Oct 31 09:42:49 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 07:42:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Digital signing
Message-ID: <CCC5A40DF6D5447C828561E92C30000C@HAL9007>

Distributing a commercial app - very occasionally the user will get a
message that the app is not digitally signed and won't open.  So there must
be some difference between those who get the message and those who don't.
 
Is there a setting to disable that message?  The app is distributed both as
a run-time and as requiring Access but I don't know if the digital signing
message is exclusive to one or the other.
 
Any help greatly appreciated.  It's suddenly become a big issue.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

From jm.hwsn at gmail.com  Thu Oct 31 10:28:56 2013
From: jm.hwsn at gmail.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 10:28:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Digital signing
In-Reply-To: <CCC5A40DF6D5447C828561E92C30000C@HAL9007>
References: <CCC5A40DF6D5447C828561E92C30000C@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CACbV_8O+KJMW6E==B9SFTtgeMAxn8zym86Xa=QOV=Zd3A=tw+A@mail.gmail.com>

Rocky,
I ran across that message about a year or so ago. What I found out is that
it has to do with external programs that has nothing to do with Access. In
my case it had to with ActivClient and another program called Regent... or
something like that. ActivClient controls certificates for the individual.

Another possibility... is Group Policies on Windows. In my case, IT
Configuration Management turned OFF all Trusted Locations and Disabled ALL
Macros.  The result is that every time a person opens any Access file with
code the user will get a message stating there is a security risk.  The
other part is that every time Access accesses the BE they get the
same security risk message.

There's nothing that can be done about either case. Both have to be dealt
with through the IT department.

HTH
Jim


On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> Distributing a commercial app - very occasionally the user will get a
> message that the app is not digitally signed and won't open.  So there must
> be some difference between those who get the message and those who don't.
>
> Is there a setting to disable that message?  The app is distributed both as
> a run-time and as requiring Access but I don't know if the digital signing
> message is exclusive to one or the other.
>
> Any help greatly appreciated.  It's suddenly become a big issue.
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/>
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
> --
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Oct 31 10:42:36 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 08:42:36 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Digital signing
In-Reply-To: <CACbV_8O+KJMW6E==B9SFTtgeMAxn8zym86Xa=QOV=Zd3A=tw+A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CCC5A40DF6D5447C828561E92C30000C@HAL9007>
	<CACbV_8O+KJMW6E==B9SFTtgeMAxn8zym86Xa=QOV=Zd3A=tw+A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <64838C092F314CFFA4E6A9DA75616AD4@HAL9007>

Thanks Jim.  I'll forward.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hewson
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 8:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Digital signing

Rocky,
I ran across that message about a year or so ago. What I found out is that
it has to do with external programs that has nothing to do with Access. In
my case it had to with ActivClient and another program called Regent... or
something like that. ActivClient controls certificates for the individual.

Another possibility... is Group Policies on Windows. In my case, IT
Configuration Management turned OFF all Trusted Locations and Disabled ALL
Macros.  The result is that every time a person opens any Access file with
code the user will get a message stating there is a security risk.  The
other part is that every time Access accesses the BE they get the same
security risk message.

There's nothing that can be done about either case. Both have to be dealt
with through the IT department.

HTH
Jim


On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> Distributing a commercial app - very occasionally the user will get a 
> message that the app is not digitally signed and won't open.  So there 
> must be some difference between those who get the message and those who
don't.
>
> Is there a setting to disable that message?  The app is distributed 
> both as a run-time and as requiring Access but I don't know if the 
> digital signing message is exclusive to one or the other.
>
> Any help greatly appreciated.  It's suddenly become a big issue.
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com 
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
> --
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Thu Oct 31 12:34:35 2013
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 10:34:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Problems Exporting Access Summary Report to Excel
In-Reply-To: <8F774989DBCC4620BE47206EC52D5B86@HAL9007>
References: <1383145498.72624.YahooMailNeo@web125602.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501B0A929@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<8F774989DBCC4620BE47206EC52D5B86@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met-Ro0YOLK2VYEWn_xezvHaErMgDcunLxW6DWY0RZEwpZw@mail.gmail.com>

That's what I've done too Rocky.  It requires a bunch more code to use
automation, but things get where they're supposed to be.

Charlotte


On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> Can you use a summation query as the source of your TransferSpreadsheet to
> get the grouping totals?
>
> When faced with more an a simple flat file export I've often had to resort
> to creating the spreadsheet with automation, and pushing the data directly
> into the cells where I want them to be.  It's more work but the advantage
> is
> that you have total control of the format - column width, row height, font,
> color, formulas, etc.
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 11:10 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Problems Exporting Access Summary Report to Excel
>
> All,
>
> In the past, I have experimented with exporting Access Reports to Excel,
> but
> I have never had much success.
>
> Most of the reports that I have worked with in the past were fairly complex
> (dynamic sorts, dynamic filters, conditional formatting, sub-totals, etc.)
>
> Recently, one of our users has requested that a rather simple Access report
> be exported to Excel.
> This report reads data from a purchased package's General Ledger tables.
>
> The detail lines of the report are not visible.  There are groupings on
> Month/Year and on the General Ledger Account Number.  Here is a small
> example of what the report looks like.
>
>
> Account-AAA  Total $1,000
> Account-BBB  Total $2,000
> Account-CCC  Total $3,000
>    01 2013 Month Total $6,000
>
> Account-AAA  Total $1,100
> Account-BBB  Total $2,200
> Account-CCC  Total $3,300
>    02 2013 Month Total $6,600
>
>
> There are many records in the underlying GL table.  The use of Access
> Report
> "Groups" makes it very easy to obtain the sub-totals at the two levels (by
> Account within Month).
>
> When I try to export the report to Excel, however, things do not turn out
> very nicely. For example, the Month and Year fields are not shown.
> Instead, "AccessTotalsAmount:" is shown for each cell in this Excel column.
>
> What I am really trying to ask, is if there is a way to employ report
> groupings and then be able to successfully export such a summary report to
> Excel.
>
> Perhaps there is another way to do this.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Oct 31 13:06:39 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 11:06:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Problems Exporting Access Summary Report to Excel
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met-Ro0YOLK2VYEWn_xezvHaErMgDcunLxW6DWY0RZEwpZw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1383145498.72624.YahooMailNeo@web125602.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501B0A929@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><8F774989DBCC4620BE47206EC52D5B86@HAL9007>
	<CAH+Met-Ro0YOLK2VYEWn_xezvHaErMgDcunLxW6DWY0RZEwpZw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8396144A58E24622B19DEAF76B09364A@HAL9007>

I also found that I didn't really have to learn how to code formatting and
other tricky stuff - just start recording a macro on the spreadsheet, do all
your formatting, cell selecting, or whatever, stop the recording, and crib
the vba code the recording generated.  

And once you have a few of those snippets done, it's just a lot of copy and
paste.

R


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 10:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Problems Exporting Access Summary Report to Excel

That's what I've done too Rocky.  It requires a bunch more code to use
automation, but things get where they're supposed to be.

Charlotte


On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Rocky Smolin
<rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> Can you use a summation query as the source of your 
> TransferSpreadsheet to get the grouping totals?
>
> When faced with more an a simple flat file export I've often had to 
> resort to creating the spreadsheet with automation, and pushing the 
> data directly into the cells where I want them to be.  It's more work 
> but the advantage is that you have total control of the format - 
> column width, row height, font, color, formulas, etc.
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 11:10 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Problems Exporting Access Summary Report to Excel
>
> All,
>
> In the past, I have experimented with exporting Access Reports to 
> Excel, but I have never had much success.
>
> Most of the reports that I have worked with in the past were fairly 
> complex (dynamic sorts, dynamic filters, conditional formatting, 
> sub-totals, etc.)
>
> Recently, one of our users has requested that a rather simple Access 
> report be exported to Excel.
> This report reads data from a purchased package's General Ledger tables.
>
> The detail lines of the report are not visible.  There are groupings 
> on Month/Year and on the General Ledger Account Number.  Here is a 
> small example of what the report looks like.
>
>
> Account-AAA  Total $1,000
> Account-BBB  Total $2,000
> Account-CCC  Total $3,000
>    01 2013 Month Total $6,000
>
> Account-AAA  Total $1,100
> Account-BBB  Total $2,200
> Account-CCC  Total $3,300
>    02 2013 Month Total $6,600
>
>
> There are many records in the underlying GL table.  The use of Access 
> Report "Groups" makes it very easy to obtain the sub-totals at the two 
> levels (by Account within Month).
>
> When I try to export the report to Excel, however, things do not turn 
> out very nicely. For example, the Month and Year fields are not shown.
> Instead, "AccessTotalsAmount:" is shown for each cell in this Excel
column.
>
> What I am really trying to ask, is if there is a way to employ report 
> groupings and then be able to successfully export such a summary 
> report to Excel.
>
> Perhaps there is another way to do this.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Thu Oct 31 13:34:39 2013
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 13:34:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How to Create a "Calendar Report" with Access
References: <1383145498.72624.YahooMailNeo@web125602.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501B0A929@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><8F774989DBCC4620BE47206EC52D5B86@HAL9007>
	<CAH+Met-Ro0YOLK2VYEWn_xezvHaErMgDcunLxW6DWY0RZEwpZw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501B0AAAB@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

All,

I have built a number of reports using Access to obtain data from a
Purchased Package.  This approach has worked very nicely.

Recently, our VP of Production has asked if I could create a report that
looks like a traditional calendar.  

This calendar would contain data from the Purchased Package's SQL
Database.

I discovered a product at this location that looks promising -

www.aislebyaisle.com/cb/access/cbtools.htm?r=2


Has anyone else worked with this product?

What are the alternatives for creating such a calendar?

Thanks,
Brad



From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Oct 31 13:38:11 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 12:38:11 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] adp
In-Reply-To: <0B4AA61FDEF597449F7D28C41E786D965352C8@DDI-DC1.DDI.local>
Message-ID: <2028925999.47148926.1383244691183.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Good morning and a blast from the past. :-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anita Smith" <anita at ddisolutions.com.au>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, 31 October, 2013 1:56:00 AM
Subject: [AccessD]  adp

Hi Guys & Gals,
Long time, no activity on my part - so long in fact that I can't remember how to post here. Don't fry me if I make a mistake ;-)

Anyhow, it is with horror that I find out that Access 2013 will not support Access Data Projects. Yikes!

I'm wondering what the general Access Community has to say about that. Is there a preferred way of working with SQL Server as a back end? Will ODBC do the job as well?

Anita Smith
Former contributor ... now avid procastinator extradordinare

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Oct 31 13:39:20 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2013 04:39:20 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Problems Exporting Access Summary Report to Excel
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But make sure you edit the copied macro code so that all references are fully qualfieid.

Otherwise, I'll end up having to post this URL yet again :-)

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/319832


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On 31 Oct 2013 at 11:06, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> I also found that I didn't really have to learn how to code formatting
> and other tricky stuff - just start recording a macro on the
> spreadsheet, do all your formatting, cell selecting, or whatever, stop
> the recording, and crib the vba code the recording generated.  
> 
> And once you have a few of those snippets done, it's just a lot of
> copy and paste.
> 
> R
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 10:35 AM To: Access Developers
> discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Problems
> Exporting Access Summary Report to Excel
> 
> That's what I've done too Rocky.  It requires a bunch more code to use
> automation, but things get where they're supposed to be.
> 
> Charlotte
> 
> 
> On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Rocky Smolin
> <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:
> 
> > Can you use a summation query as the source of your 
> > TransferSpreadsheet to get the grouping totals?
> >
> > When faced with more an a simple flat file export I've often had to
> > resort to creating the spreadsheet with automation, and pushing the
> > data directly into the cells where I want them to be.  It's more
> > work but the advantage is that you have total control of the format
> > - column width, row height, font, color, formulas, etc.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad
> > Marks Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 11:10 AM To: Access
> > Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD]
> > Problems Exporting Access Summary Report to Excel
> >
> > All,
> >
> > In the past, I have experimented with exporting Access Reports to
> > Excel, but I have never had much success.
> >
> > Most of the reports that I have worked with in the past were fairly
> > complex (dynamic sorts, dynamic filters, conditional formatting,
> > sub-totals, etc.)
> >
> > Recently, one of our users has requested that a rather simple Access
> > report be exported to Excel. This report reads data from a purchased
> > package's General Ledger tables.
> >
> > The detail lines of the report are not visible.  There are groupings
> > on Month/Year and on the General Ledger Account Number.  Here is a
> > small example of what the report looks like.
> >
> >
> > Account-AAA  Total $1,000
> > Account-BBB  Total $2,000
> > Account-CCC  Total $3,000
> >    01 2013 Month Total $6,000
> >
> > Account-AAA  Total $1,100
> > Account-BBB  Total $2,200
> > Account-CCC  Total $3,300
> >    02 2013 Month Total $6,600
> >
> >
> > There are many records in the underlying GL table.  The use of
> > Access Report "Groups" makes it very easy to obtain the sub-totals
> > at the two levels (by Account within Month).
> >
> > When I try to export the report to Excel, however, things do not
> > turn out very nicely. For example, the Month and Year fields are not
> > shown. Instead, "AccessTotalsAmount:" is shown for each cell in this
> > Excel
> column.
> >
> > What I am really trying to ask, is if there is a way to employ
> > report groupings and then be able to successfully export such a
> > summary report to Excel.
> >
> > Perhaps there is another way to do this.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brad
> >
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Oct 31 14:19:45 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 13:19:45 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Problems Exporting Access Summary Report to Excel
In-Reply-To: <5272A3D8.10657.2BAB1ECB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <408333094.47198943.1383247185357.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Good link Stuart.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, 31 October, 2013 11:39:20 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Problems Exporting Access Summary Report to Excel

But make sure you edit the copied macro code so that all references are fully qualfieid.

Otherwise, I'll end up having to post this URL yet again :-)

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/319832


-- 
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On 31 Oct 2013 at 11:06, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> I also found that I didn't really have to learn how to code formatting
> and other tricky stuff - just start recording a macro on the
> spreadsheet, do all your formatting, cell selecting, or whatever, stop
> the recording, and crib the vba code the recording generated.  
> 
> And once you have a few of those snippets done, it's just a lot of
> copy and paste.
> 
> R
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 10:35 AM To: Access Developers
> discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Problems
> Exporting Access Summary Report to Excel
> 
> That's what I've done too Rocky.  It requires a bunch more code to use
> automation, but things get where they're supposed to be.
> 
> Charlotte
> 
> 
> On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Rocky Smolin
> <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:
> 
> > Can you use a summation query as the source of your 
> > TransferSpreadsheet to get the grouping totals?
> >
> > When faced with more an a simple flat file export I've often had to
> > resort to creating the spreadsheet with automation, and pushing the
> > data directly into the cells where I want them to be.  It's more
> > work but the advantage is that you have total control of the format
> > - column width, row height, font, color, formulas, etc.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad
> > Marks Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 11:10 AM To: Access
> > Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD]
> > Problems Exporting Access Summary Report to Excel
> >
> > All,
> >
> > In the past, I have experimented with exporting Access Reports to
> > Excel, but I have never had much success.
> >
> > Most of the reports that I have worked with in the past were fairly
> > complex (dynamic sorts, dynamic filters, conditional formatting,
> > sub-totals, etc.)
> >
> > Recently, one of our users has requested that a rather simple Access
> > report be exported to Excel. This report reads data from a purchased
> > package's General Ledger tables.
> >
> > The detail lines of the report are not visible.  There are groupings
> > on Month/Year and on the General Ledger Account Number.  Here is a
> > small example of what the report looks like.
> >
> >
> > Account-AAA  Total $1,000
> > Account-BBB  Total $2,000
> > Account-CCC  Total $3,000
> >    01 2013 Month Total $6,000
> >
> > Account-AAA  Total $1,100
> > Account-BBB  Total $2,200
> > Account-CCC  Total $3,300
> >    02 2013 Month Total $6,600
> >
> >
> > There are many records in the underlying GL table.  The use of
> > Access Report "Groups" makes it very easy to obtain the sub-totals
> > at the two levels (by Account within Month).
> >
> > When I try to export the report to Excel, however, things do not
> > turn out very nicely. For example, the Month and Year fields are not
> > shown. Instead, "AccessTotalsAmount:" is shown for each cell in this
> > Excel
> column.
> >
> > What I am really trying to ask, is if there is a way to employ
> > report groupings and then be able to successfully export such a
> > summary report to Excel.
> >
> > Perhaps there is another way to do this.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brad
> >
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Thu Oct 31 16:21:24 2013
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 08:21:24 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] adp
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References: <045901ced621$abc125f0$034371d0$@activebilling.com.au>
	<0B4AA61FDEF597449F7D28C41E786D96535321@DDI-DC1.DDI.local>
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Hi Anita
Sample Sent Off-line
Darren


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Anita Smith
Sent: Thursday, 31 October 2013 9:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] adp

Yes, I'm still in Albury NSW (Australia) and loving it. Still love working
with Access. Love the speed with which awesome programs can be created and
modified.

These days I work mostly with SQL Server as I really love the power of
stored procedures.  I'm guessing that it would be possible to use ODBC for
the regular binding of forms etc. and that it may be possible to
programmatically make a connection to an SQL Database for running stored
procedures. 

Darren - I would love the simple Access Connection and results retriever
demo. It has been too long since I've taken the time to get inspired by the
work of others.

David E - Great links - whatdoyaknow  I didn't even know that LinkedIn had
discussions like that - I must be getting too old to keep up ;-)  

Gustav - Good to see that you are still here - daw do! :-)

Anita Smith




Anita Smith!!!

WOW! A blast from the past!! - Great to hear from you. I do hope all is
well.
Funny I was thinking of you just the other week. My Wife and I drove back
from Melbourne (to Sydney) and we went by your way (We went via Wagga to see
my eldest daughter).
I was wondering if you were still doing this stuff and living in that part
of the world.

Yep, ADPs. Yeah not s lot to say there really but gorrne. Having said that
some folk here use them, I don't. So they will be better set to answer those
questions.
Anyway, I work a lot with SQL Server and I find ODBC is just fine - Speeds
are good and connections solid and learning curve not too steep.
But I imagine the SQL Server side of things is not an issue for you.

If you like I have a simple Access Connection and results retriever demo I
can send off-list that builds the relevant fields for the grids 'on-the-fly'
Again, great to hear from you.

Darren


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Anita Smith
Sent: Thursday, 31 October 2013 7:56 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] adp

Hi Guys & Gals,
Long time, no activity on my part - so long in fact that I can't remember
how to post here. Don't fry me if I make a mistake ;-)

Anyhow, it is with horror that I find out that Access 2013 will not support
Access Data Projects. Yikes!

I'm wondering what the general Access Community has to say about that. Is
there a preferred way of working with SQL Server as a back end? Will ODBC do
the job as well?

Anita Smith
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Oct 31 16:35:20 2013
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 22:35:20 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Problems Exporting Access Summary Report to	Excel
Message-ID: <s272db44.004@cactus.dk>

Hi Rocky

It is not that easy. All that provides is "dirty" code which, though working, needs a lot of clean up. Recorded macros are filled with selects, active this-and-that and simple cell references where you should use specific worksheets and ranges and no selects.
Also, if possible, do define Named Ranges for whatever fixed cell range you will manipulate.

It takes a little more work but you will never regret. You will be proud of yourself, no more pointing fingers. The sun may even shine on you (ah, oh, no big value if you still live in San Diego).

/gustav

>>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 31-10-13 19:06 >>>
I also found that I didn't really have to learn how to code formatting and
other tricky stuff - just start recording a macro on the spreadsheet, do all
your formatting, cell selecting, or whatever, stop the recording, and crib
the vba code the recording generated.  

And once you have a few of those snippets done, it's just a lot of copy and
paste.

R


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 10:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Problems Exporting Access Summary Report to Excel

That's what I've done too Rocky.  It requires a bunch more code to use
automation, but things get where they're supposed to be.

Charlotte


On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Rocky Smolin
<rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> Can you use a summation query as the source of your 
> TransferSpreadsheet to get the grouping totals?
>
> When faced with more an a simple flat file export I've often had to 
> resort to creating the spreadsheet with automation, and pushing the 
> data directly into the cells where I want them to be.  It's more work 
> but the advantage is that you have total control of the format - 
> column width, row height, font, color, formulas, etc.
>
> Rocky


From anita at ddisolutions.com.au  Thu Oct 31 16:48:39 2013
From: anita at ddisolutions.com.au (Anita Smith)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 21:48:39 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] How to Create a "Calendar Report" with Access
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Brad,
I just happen to come across this page yesterday where I found some very slick demo databases (including calendars). I particularly loved a few by Peter Higgs. You might find something there.

http://www.utteraccess.com/forum/Categorized-Table-Conten-t1980020.html


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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Friday, 1 November 2013 5:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] How to Create a "Calendar Report" with Access

All,

I have built a number of reports using Access to obtain data from a Purchased Package.  This approach has worked very nicely.

Recently, our VP of Production has asked if I could create a report that looks like a traditional calendar.  

This calendar would contain data from the Purchased Package's SQL Database.

I discovered a product at this location that looks promising -

www.aislebyaisle.com/cb/access/cbtools.htm?r=2


Has anyone else worked with this product?

What are the alternatives for creating such a calendar?

Thanks,
Brad


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From anita at ddisolutions.com.au  Thu Oct 31 16:57:35 2013
From: anita at ddisolutions.com.au (Anita Smith)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 21:57:35 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] adp
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References: <0B4AA61FDEF597449F7D28C41E786D965352C8@DDI-DC1.DDI.local>
	<CAEPJO1geePdepBk07snMPxWkkw5672iZqae=wie-=b04M200UA@mail.gmail.com>
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Arthur,
Nice to see you still here :-)

I've gone as far as 2010 and I think I will stop there. I've been using a very nice Grid (Janus Grid) in all my applications that will not work in a 64 bit environment. I almost fainted one day when a client installed Access 2013 and found that my adp no longer worked. Lucky for me I was able to install a 32 bit runtime version of Access 2010 alongside their full  installation of Office 2013 - Phew! I'm now wondering how long that will work for. I guess another 10 years after which time I'll will have retired to some tropical island anyway ;-)

Anita Smith





This is news to me, Anita, but not surprisiing. MS has pretty much abandoned Access as a platform for developers, it would seem. Despite the fact that the ADP format remains the finest way to address an instance of SQL Server.

In short, stick with what you already have. I stopped upgrading at Office 2007, which works nicely with ADPs. Personally, I have switched horses and now devote my hours to mastering Alpha Anywhere. But I still have clients for whom I wrote Access apps, so I'll never be gone from this field of endeavour.

Arthur




From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Oct 31 17:30:20 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 15:30:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Problems Exporting Access Summary Report to	Excel
In-Reply-To: <s272db44.004@cactus.dk>
References: <s272db44.004@cactus.dk>
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Oh I found that out the first time I looked at a recorded macro.  NO, not
cut and paste but at least it told me how to select cells, and bold stuff,
and all that other object model that I couldn't ferret out for myself.

Sorry about the delayed response.  It IS sunny and 74 in S.D.  Like every
day. :)

r 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 2:35 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Problems Exporting Access Summary Report to Excel

Hi Rocky

It is not that easy. All that provides is "dirty" code which, though
working, needs a lot of clean up. Recorded macros are filled with selects,
active this-and-that and simple cell references where you should use
specific worksheets and ranges and no selects.
Also, if possible, do define Named Ranges for whatever fixed cell range you
will manipulate.

It takes a little more work but you will never regret. You will be proud of
yourself, no more pointing fingers. The sun may even shine on you (ah, oh,
no big value if you still live in San Diego).

/gustav

>>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 31-10-13 19:06 >>>
I also found that I didn't really have to learn how to code formatting and
other tricky stuff - just start recording a macro on the spreadsheet, do all
your formatting, cell selecting, or whatever, stop the recording, and crib
the vba code the recording generated.  

And once you have a few of those snippets done, it's just a lot of copy and
paste.

R


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 10:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Problems Exporting Access Summary Report to Excel

That's what I've done too Rocky.  It requires a bunch more code to use
automation, but things get where they're supposed to be.

Charlotte


On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Rocky Smolin
<rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> Can you use a summation query as the source of your 
> TransferSpreadsheet to get the grouping totals?
>
> When faced with more an a simple flat file export I've often had to 
> resort to creating the spreadsheet with automation, and pushing the 
> data directly into the cells where I want them to be.  It's more work 
> but the advantage is that you have total control of the format - 
> column width, row height, font, color, formulas, etc.
>
> Rocky

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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Thu Oct 31 17:34:55 2013
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 15:34:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Attach an afterupdate event handler to all text boxes on
	form
Message-ID: <00b601ced689$6c939d00$45bad700$@cox.net>

Folks,

This has probably been discussed in the event handling discussions of past
years but I can't find them. I have a data entry form with many text boxes.
The form is used by folks in a lab to enter daily readings.  Each reading
has a set of parameters it is supposed to be within. If not a dialog pops up
so the person entering can add notes for the reading. All this works well
when I create an event handler for a given text box and enter the call to
DataCheck(). The routine the after update handler calls gets the recordID,
control name, parameters the values is supposed to be between, and the value
entered and performs the comparisons and pops up the dialog if the value is
out of bounds. I am thinking I should be able to put some code in the form
on load event that would set all the text boxes after update events to my
data check routine. I created a routine to do this, see below, but when I
test the form I get a message "The expression After Update you entered as
the event property setting produced the following error: The object doesn't
contain the Automation object 'DataCheck". 

Any suggestions?

Public Sub SetTextBoxProperties()
    Dim ctl As Control
   On Error GoTo SetTextBoxProperties_Error
    For Each ctl In Me
        If ctl.ControlType = acTextBox Then
            ctl.AfterUpdate = "=DataCheck"
        End If
        
    Next
    
SetTextBoxProperties_Exit:
   On Error GoTo 0
   Exit Sub

SetTextBoxProperties_Error:

    MsgBox "Error " & Err.Number & " (" & Err.Description & " at Line Number
= " & Erl & ") in procedure SetTextBoxProperties"
    Resume SetTextBoxProperties_Exit:
    Resume
End Sub


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Thu Oct 31 18:03:36 2013
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 19:03:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Attach an afterupdate event handler to all text boxes
 on form
In-Reply-To: <00b601ced689$6c939d00$45bad700$@cox.net>
References: <00b601ced689$6c939d00$45bad700$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <CAA_iUE8_MhcPD4Pw2Qi0-tes1QNQvgjFtFNhHoFgvFWUcN6EjQ@mail.gmail.com>

Do it with a class?
On Oct 31, 2013 6:36 PM, "Doug Murphy" <dw-murphy at cox.net> wrote:

> Folks,
>
> This has probably been discussed in the event handling discussions of past
> years but I can't find them. I have a data entry form with many text boxes.
> The form is used by folks in a lab to enter daily readings.  Each reading
> has a set of parameters it is supposed to be within. If not a dialog pops
> up
> so the person entering can add notes for the reading. All this works well
> when I create an event handler for a given text box and enter the call to
> DataCheck(). The routine the after update handler calls gets the recordID,
> control name, parameters the values is supposed to be between, and the
> value
> entered and performs the comparisons and pops up the dialog if the value is
> out of bounds. I am thinking I should be able to put some code in the form
> on load event that would set all the text boxes after update events to my
> data check routine. I created a routine to do this, see below, but when I
> test the form I get a message "The expression After Update you entered as
> the event property setting produced the following error: The object doesn't
> contain the Automation object 'DataCheck".
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Public Sub SetTextBoxProperties()
>     Dim ctl As Control
>    On Error GoTo SetTextBoxProperties_Error
>     For Each ctl In Me
>         If ctl.ControlType = acTextBox Then
>             ctl.AfterUpdate = "=DataCheck"
>         End If
>
>     Next
>
> SetTextBoxProperties_Exit:
>    On Error GoTo 0
>    Exit Sub
>
> SetTextBoxProperties_Error:
>
>     MsgBox "Error " & Err.Number & " (" & Err.Description & " at Line
> Number
> = " & Erl & ") in procedure SetTextBoxProperties"
>     Resume SetTextBoxProperties_Exit:
>     Resume
> End Sub
>
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From anita at ddisolutions.com.au  Thu Oct 31 18:16:36 2013
From: anita at ddisolutions.com.au (Anita Smith)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 23:16:36 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Attach an afterupdate event handler to all text boxes
 on form
In-Reply-To: <CAA_iUE8_MhcPD4Pw2Qi0-tes1QNQvgjFtFNhHoFgvFWUcN6EjQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00b601ced689$6c939d00$45bad700$@cox.net>
	<CAA_iUE8_MhcPD4Pw2Qi0-tes1QNQvgjFtFNhHoFgvFWUcN6EjQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0B4AA61FDEF597449F7D28C41E786D9653681E@DDI-DC1.DDI.local>

I'm not sure I get what it is you are trying to do here, but if all you want is to avoid having to go to every textbox's after update event in the code window then you could do the following;
1. Multi select all your text boxes
2. On the property sheet in the after update event enter =DataCheck()
3. Change your DataCheck procedure to a Function

Anita Smith


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, 1 November 2013 10:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Attach an afterupdate event handler to all text boxes on form

Do it with a class?
On Oct 31, 2013 6:36 PM, "Doug Murphy" <dw-murphy at cox.net> wrote:

> Folks,
>
> This has probably been discussed in the event handling discussions of 
> past years but I can't find them. I have a data entry form with many text boxes.
> The form is used by folks in a lab to enter daily readings.  Each 
> reading has a set of parameters it is supposed to be within. If not a 
> dialog pops up so the person entering can add notes for the reading. 
> All this works well when I create an event handler for a given text 
> box and enter the call to DataCheck(). The routine the after update 
> handler calls gets the recordID, control name, parameters the values 
> is supposed to be between, and the value entered and performs the 
> comparisons and pops up the dialog if the value is out of bounds. I am 
> thinking I should be able to put some code in the form on load event 
> that would set all the text boxes after update events to my data check 
> routine. I created a routine to do this, see below, but when I test 
> the form I get a message "The expression After Update you entered as 
> the event property setting produced the following error: The object 
> doesn't contain the Automation object 'DataCheck".
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Public Sub SetTextBoxProperties()
>     Dim ctl As Control
>    On Error GoTo SetTextBoxProperties_Error
>     For Each ctl In Me
>         If ctl.ControlType = acTextBox Then
>             ctl.AfterUpdate = "=DataCheck"
>         End If
>
>     Next
>
> SetTextBoxProperties_Exit:
>    On Error GoTo 0
>    Exit Sub
>
> SetTextBoxProperties_Error:
>
>     MsgBox "Error " & Err.Number & " (" & Err.Description & " at Line 
> Number = " & Erl & ") in procedure SetTextBoxProperties"
>     Resume SetTextBoxProperties_Exit:
>     Resume
> End Sub
>



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Oct 31 18:44:33 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2013 09:44:33 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] adp
In-Reply-To: <0B4AA61FDEF597449F7D28C41E786D965366E0@DDI-DC1.DDI.local>
References: <0B4AA61FDEF597449F7D28C41E786D965352C8@DDI-DC1.DDI.local>,
	<CAEPJO1geePdepBk07snMPxWkkw5672iZqae=wie-=b04M200UA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<0B4AA61FDEF597449F7D28C41E786D965366E0@DDI-DC1.DDI.local>
Message-ID: <5272EB61.10004.2CC28F00@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

"Come up and see me some time",he leered, stroking his moustache.

-- 
Stuart

On 31 Oct 2013 at 21:57, Anita Smith wrote:

>  I guess another 10 years after
> which time I'll will have retired to some tropical island anyway ;-)
> 
> Anita Smith
> 


From dw-murphy at cox.net  Thu Oct 31 19:07:36 2013
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 17:07:36 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Attach an afterupdate event handler to all text boxes
	on form
In-Reply-To: <jzJE1m00t0xgD8Z01zJGjS>
References: <00b601ced689$6c939d00$45bad700$@cox.net>	<CAA_iUE8_MhcPD4Pw2Qi0-tes1QNQvgjFtFNhHoFgvFWUcN6EjQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<jzJE1m00t0xgD8Z01zJGjS>
Message-ID: <00ba01ced696$5f180050$1d4800f0$@cox.net>

Brilliant Anita item 3 was it. Just changing the routine DataCheck to a
function allowed it to work. Form works great now with all afterupdate
events being set on form load. If value entered is out of limits for that
particular measurement the dialog comes up where notes are entered, and
operator has the option of accepting value with no note, going back to the
value just entered, or leaving as is and saving the note with associated
parameters in a separate table. 

Something so simple.

Thanks again.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Anita Smith
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 4:17 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Attach an afterupdate event handler to all text boxes
on form

I'm not sure I get what it is you are trying to do here, but if all you want
is to avoid having to go to every textbox's after update event in the code
window then you could do the following; 1. Multi select all your text boxes
2. On the property sheet in the after update event enter =DataCheck() 3.
Change your DataCheck procedure to a Function

Anita Smith


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, 1 November 2013 10:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Attach an afterupdate event handler to all text boxes
on form

Do it with a class?
On Oct 31, 2013 6:36 PM, "Doug Murphy" <dw-murphy at cox.net> wrote:

> Folks,
>
> This has probably been discussed in the event handling discussions of 
> past years but I can't find them. I have a data entry form with many text
boxes.
> The form is used by folks in a lab to enter daily readings.  Each 
> reading has a set of parameters it is supposed to be within. If not a 
> dialog pops up so the person entering can add notes for the reading.
> All this works well when I create an event handler for a given text 
> box and enter the call to DataCheck(). The routine the after update 
> handler calls gets the recordID, control name, parameters the values 
> is supposed to be between, and the value entered and performs the 
> comparisons and pops up the dialog if the value is out of bounds. I am 
> thinking I should be able to put some code in the form on load event 
> that would set all the text boxes after update events to my data check 
> routine. I created a routine to do this, see below, but when I test 
> the form I get a message "The expression After Update you entered as 
> the event property setting produced the following error: The object 
> doesn't contain the Automation object 'DataCheck".
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Public Sub SetTextBoxProperties()
>     Dim ctl As Control
>    On Error GoTo SetTextBoxProperties_Error
>     For Each ctl In Me
>         If ctl.ControlType = acTextBox Then
>             ctl.AfterUpdate = "=DataCheck"
>         End If
>
>     Next
>
> SetTextBoxProperties_Exit:
>    On Error GoTo 0
>    Exit Sub
>
> SetTextBoxProperties_Error:
>
>     MsgBox "Error " & Err.Number & " (" & Err.Description & " at Line 
> Number = " & Erl & ") in procedure SetTextBoxProperties"
>     Resume SetTextBoxProperties_Exit:
>     Resume
> End Sub
>


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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Oct 31 19:32:10 2013
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 00:32:10 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] adp
In-Reply-To: <5272EB61.10004.2CC28F00@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <0B4AA61FDEF597449F7D28C41E786D965352C8@DDI-DC1.DDI.local>,
	<CAEPJO1geePdepBk07snMPxWkkw5672iZqae=wie-=b04M200UA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<0B4AA61FDEF597449F7D28C41E786D965366E0@DDI-DC1.DDI.local>
	<5272EB61.10004.2CC28F00@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4b37dd0d719b4f649804dc65be261760@SIXPR04MB048.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Hahaha.  Nice image there Stuart!

Not sure the 'badlands' of PNG was quite what Anita had in mind when she is thinking "mmmm Tropical Island..."
I mean, it qualifies climatically for sure, but you know....  

Cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Friday, 1 November 2013 10:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] adp

"Come up and see me some time",he leered, stroking his moustache.

-- 
Stuart

On 31 Oct 2013 at 21:57, Anita Smith wrote:

>  I guess another 10 years after
> which time I'll will have retired to some tropical island anyway ;-)
> 
> Anita Smith
> 

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From anita at ddisolutions.com.au  Thu Oct 31 19:48:57 2013
From: anita at ddisolutions.com.au (Anita Smith)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 00:48:57 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] adp
In-Reply-To: <4b37dd0d719b4f649804dc65be261760@SIXPR04MB048.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <0B4AA61FDEF597449F7D28C41E786D965352C8@DDI-DC1.DDI.local>,
	<CAEPJO1geePdepBk07snMPxWkkw5672iZqae=wie-=b04M200UA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<0B4AA61FDEF597449F7D28C41E786D965366E0@DDI-DC1.DDI.local>
	<5272EB61.10004.2CC28F00@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4b37dd0d719b4f649804dc65be261760@SIXPR04MB048.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <0B4AA61FDEF597449F7D28C41E786D965368F4@DDI-DC1.DDI.local>

Haha!
Right you are Darryl, PNG is not quite what I have in mind. Although with my budget I'm contemplating retiring in an infinite loop.  

Anita 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Friday, 1 November 2013 11:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] adp

Hahaha.  Nice image there Stuart!

Not sure the 'badlands' of PNG was quite what Anita had in mind when she is thinking "mmmm Tropical Island..."
I mean, it qualifies climatically for sure, but you know....  

Cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Friday, 1 November 2013 10:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] adp

"Come up and see me some time",he leered, stroking his moustache.

-- 
Stuart

On 31 Oct 2013 at 21:57, Anita Smith wrote:

>  I guess another 10 years after
> which time I'll will have retired to some tropical island anyway ;-)
> 
> Anita Smith
>