From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Dec  1 03:45:06 2014
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 09:45:06 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [AccessD]  Access 2010 Report footer at Page Bottom
Message-ID: <815824565.357367.1417427106242.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxbaltgw14.schlund.de>

Hi David

How about this?

Create a textbox whose ControlSource is

="Page " & [Page] & " of " & [Pages]

You can make it invisible if you like but it needs to be there.

Then  In the OnFormat of the ReportFooter put this code

If Me.Page <> Me.Pages Then
Cancel = True
End If

The reason you need the textbox is that the Pages property only has a value if
you have a control on the report invoking it.
 
I reckon that should do it.

Cheers

Andy

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
Sent: 01 December 2014 04:46
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 Report footer at Page Bottom


Thanks Charlotte,
I have seen some code by Microsoft for putting it at the bottom of the last
page but it seemed to cover more situations than what I wanted.
Because the text I want is higher than what I want to allow for a page
footer on every page it would waste too much space on all the pages before
the last one.
Back to the drawing board.
Regards
David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, 1 December 2014 1:48 p.m.
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 Report footer at Page Bottom

The report footer is always going to print immediately after the report.
If you want it at the bottom of the page, you need to use the page footer.
Alternatively you can put a dummy subreport on the report and force it to a
size that will move the report footer to the bottom. That requires more
care and feeding than it's worth.

Chafrlotte

On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 2:40 PM, David Emerson <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz> wrote:

> Hi Listers,
>>
> Does anyone have some simple code that puts the report footer at the
> bottom of the last page. I don't want to use the page footer section,
> just the report footer section.
>>
> Regards
>
> David Emerson
> Dalyn Software Ltd
> Wellington, New Zealand

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Dec  1 04:22:33 2014
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 10:22:33 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Indexes
In-Reply-To: <815824565.357367.1417427106242.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxbaltgw14.schlund.de>
References: <815824565.357367.1417427106242.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxbaltgw14.schlund.de>
Message-ID: <1988140169.360080.1417429354102.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxbaltgw14.schlund.de>


I haven't used A2010 that much so forgive me if this is a daft question, but
when I'm in table design and have the index window up the index properties at
the bottom are greyed out and I can't change them. Why? I see my individual
indexes and can select any of them. I can add and delete indexes so it's not as
if the anything's locked or read-only and yet I can't, say, change one to
Unique. All that happens when I hover on or click the 3 properties at the bottom
(Primary, Unique, Ignore Nulls) is that I get an explanation of that property
overlaying where I should see the options to set Yes or No. For example, I try
to click on or next to 'Primary' and I have the words "If Yes, this index is the
Primary key". What I don't have is the Yes/No selections. I can't even see what
each property is currently set at. Can anyone tell me how to resolve this?
 
Cheers
 
Andy

From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Dec  1 06:05:01 2014
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 07:05:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Report footer at Page Bottom
In-Reply-To: <001801d00cee$a31b9cf0$e952d6d0$@dalyn.co.nz>
References: <001801d00cee$a31b9cf0$e952d6d0$@dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <3E84E987D68A4F07BA16092A03A22AFC@XPS>

David,

 Couple methods here:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/208979

 Keep in mind that you can create a dummy group using the expressions =1 to
give you a extra header/footer.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 05:40 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Report footer at Page Bottom

Hi Listers,

 

Does anyone have some simple code that puts the report footer at the bottom
of the last page.  I don't want to use the page footer section, just the
report footer section.

 

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand

 

 

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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Mon Dec  1 11:12:12 2014
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 06:12:12 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Report footer at Page Bottom
In-Reply-To: <815824565.357367.1417427106242.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxbaltgw14.schlund.de>
References: <815824565.357367.1417427106242.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxbaltgw14.schlund.de>
Message-ID: <000301d00d89$f3a2ae70$dae80b50$@dalyn.co.nz>

Hi Andy,

Thanks for taking the time to reply.  I am not sure how your solution will
help.  The report footer will always be on the last page anyway so there is
no need to check the previous pages.  What I am after is how to position it
on the last page always at the bottom.  Jim seems to have confirmed the best
way to do it.

Regards

David

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Monday, 1 December 2014 10:45 p.m.
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Report footer at Page Bottom

Hi David

How about this?

Create a textbox whose ControlSource is

="Page " & [Page] & " of " & [Pages]

You can make it invisible if you like but it needs to be there.

Then  In the OnFormat of the ReportFooter put this code

If Me.Page <> Me.Pages Then
Cancel = True
End If

The reason you need the textbox is that the Pages property only has a value
if you have a control on the report invoking it.
 
I reckon that should do it.

Cheers

Andy

 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
Sent: 01 December 2014 04:46
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 Report footer at Page Bottom


Thanks Charlotte,
I have seen some code by Microsoft for putting it at the bottom of the last
page but it seemed to cover more situations than what I wanted.
Because the text I want is higher than what I want to allow for a page
footer on every page it would waste too much space on all the pages before
the last one.
Back to the drawing board.
Regards
David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, 1 December 2014 1:48 p.m.
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 Report footer at Page Bottom

The report footer is always going to print immediately after the report.
If you want it at the bottom of the page, you need to use the page footer.
Alternatively you can put a dummy subreport on the report and force it to a
size that will move the report footer to the bottom. That requires more care
and feeding than it's worth.

Chafrlotte

On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 2:40 PM, David Emerson <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz> wrote:

> Hi Listers,
>>
> Does anyone have some simple code that puts the report footer at the 
> bottom of the last page. I don't want to use the page footer section, 
> just the report footer section.
>>
> Regards
>
> David Emerson
> Dalyn Software Ltd
> Wellington, New Zealand



From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Mon Dec  1 11:13:03 2014
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 06:13:03 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Report footer at Page Bottom
In-Reply-To: <3E84E987D68A4F07BA16092A03A22AFC@XPS>
References: <001801d00cee$a31b9cf0$e952d6d0$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<3E84E987D68A4F07BA16092A03A22AFC@XPS>
Message-ID: <000401d00d8a$1155fbc0$3401f340$@dalyn.co.nz>

Thanks Jim,  I think that is the way I ned to go.

Regards

David

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2014 1:05 a.m.
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 Report footer at Page Bottom

David,

 Couple methods here:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/208979

 Keep in mind that you can create a dummy group using the expressions =1 to
give you a extra header/footer.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 05:40 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Report footer at Page Bottom

Hi Listers,

Does anyone have some simple code that puts the report footer at the bottom
of the last page.  I don't want to use the page footer section, just the
report footer section.

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Dec  1 13:46:31 2014
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 19:46:31 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Report footer at Page Bottom
In-Reply-To: <000301d00d89$f3a2ae70$dae80b50$@dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <ABCBDA30482E4223B5D4475E58A225DA@MINSTER>

Sorry David, typo. I meant to put your stuff in the Page Footer and put that
code in the OnFormat of the PageFooter, not ReportFooter. Doh! This will put
it at the foot of the page (as per Page Footer) but suppress it for all but
the last page.

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
Sent: 01 December 2014 17:12
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 Report footer at Page Bottom


Hi Andy,

Thanks for taking the time to reply.  I am not sure how your solution will
help.  The report footer will always be on the last page anyway so there is
no need to check the previous pages.  What I am after is how to position it
on the last page always at the bottom.  Jim seems to have confirmed the best
way to do it.

Regards

David

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Monday, 1 December 2014 10:45 p.m.
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Report footer at Page Bottom

Hi David

How about this?

Create a textbox whose ControlSource is

="Page " & [Page] & " of " & [Pages]

You can make it invisible if you like but it needs to be there.

Then  In the OnFormat of the ReportFooter put this code

If Me.Page <> Me.Pages Then
Cancel = True
End If

The reason you need the textbox is that the Pages property only has a value
if you have a control on the report invoking it.
 
I reckon that should do it.

Cheers

Andy

 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
Sent: 01 December 2014 04:46
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 Report footer at Page Bottom


Thanks Charlotte,
I have seen some code by Microsoft for putting it at the bottom of the last
page but it seemed to cover more situations than what I wanted.
Because the text I want is higher than what I want to allow for a page
footer on every page it would waste too much space on all the pages before
the last one.
Back to the drawing board.
Regards
David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, 1 December 2014 1:48 p.m.
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 Report footer at Page Bottom

The report footer is always going to print immediately after the report.
If you want it at the bottom of the page, you need to use the page footer.
Alternatively you can put a dummy subreport on the report and force it to a
size that will move the report footer to the bottom. That requires more care
and feeding than it's worth.

Chafrlotte

On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 2:40 PM, David Emerson <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz> wrote:

> Hi Listers,
>>
> Does anyone have some simple code that puts the report footer at the 
> bottom of the last page. I don't want to use the page footer section, 
> just the report footer section.
>>
> Regards
>
> David Emerson
> Dalyn Software Ltd
> Wellington, New Zealand


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From garykjos at gmail.com  Mon Dec  1 13:48:17 2014
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 13:48:17 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Indexes
In-Reply-To: <1988140169.360080.1417429354102.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxbaltgw14.schlund.de>
References: <815824565.357367.1417427106242.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxbaltgw14.schlund.de>
	<1988140169.360080.1417429354102.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxbaltgw14.schlund.de>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pJOdfnMfa5q9G0RGvUchuBFoLCkC60Do2+=Qh7y6URWLA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Andy,

I have 2013 here at the office. It doesn't seem to do that on this
version. I have 2010 on a machine at home. I will try to remember to
check it there later.

GK

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 4:22 AM, Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I haven't used A2010 that much so forgive me if this is a daft question, but
> when I'm in table design and have the index window up the index properties at
> the bottom are greyed out and I can't change them. Why? I see my individual
> indexes and can select any of them. I can add and delete indexes so it's not as
> if the anything's locked or read-only and yet I can't, say, change one to
> Unique. All that happens when I hover on or click the 3 properties at the bottom
> (Primary, Unique, Ignore Nulls) is that I get an explanation of that property
> overlaying where I should see the options to set Yes or No. For example, I try
> to click on or next to 'Primary' and I have the words "If Yes, this index is the
> Primary key". What I don't have is the Yes/No selections. I can't even see what
> each property is currently set at. Can anyone tell me how to resolve this?
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Dec  1 13:59:59 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 14:59:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Indexes
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pJOdfnMfa5q9G0RGvUchuBFoLCkC60Do2+=Qh7y6URWLA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <815824565.357367.1417427106242.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxbaltgw14.schlund.de>
	<1988140169.360080.1417429354102.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxbaltgw14.schlund.de>
	<CAJ2R_pJOdfnMfa5q9G0RGvUchuBFoLCkC60Do2+=Qh7y6URWLA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+e2GDMJRVy74+iVtYwBLBVqWx5eZPey9=TST3xOiG36WA@mail.gmail.com>

Okay, I might be way off base here, but have you accidentially reduced the
size of your index window? Try dragging out the right border.

Susan H.

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Andy,
>
> I have 2013 here at the office. It doesn't seem to do that on this
> version. I have 2010 on a machine at home. I will try to remember to
> check it there later.
>
> GK
>
> On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 4:22 AM, Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >
> > I haven't used A2010 that much so forgive me if this is a daft question,
> but
> > when I'm in table design and have the index window up the index
> properties at
> > the bottom are greyed out and I can't change them. Why? I see my
> individual
> > indexes and can select any of them. I can add and delete indexes so it's
> not as
> > if the anything's locked or read-only and yet I can't, say, change one to
> > Unique. All that happens when I hover on or click the 3 properties at
> the bottom
> > (Primary, Unique, Ignore Nulls) is that I get an explanation of that
> property
> > overlaying where I should see the options to set Yes or No. For example,
> I try
> > to click on or next to 'Primary' and I have the words "If Yes, this
> index is the
> > Primary key". What I don't have is the Yes/No selections. I can't even
> see what
> > each property is currently set at. Can anyone tell me how to resolve
> this?
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Andy
> > --
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
> --
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Dec  1 14:14:09 2014
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 20:14:09 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Indexes
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+e2GDMJRVy74+iVtYwBLBVqWx5eZPey9=TST3xOiG36WA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <98EBB22387DF4845A2EBBE19AC93EE6A@MINSTER>

Hi Susan

Not at work now and only have 2013 there. It's a thought and I'll try
tomorrow. I'm going to look awfully daft if that's the case. OTOH I doubt it
because the "help" text which appears is a small amount of text in a lot of
spare space so if I had inadverently made the index window too narrow I
can't see why it would leave that part so big and completely lose the option
values. I'll definitely take a look though. 


Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: 01 December 2014 20:00
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 Indexes


Okay, I might be way off base here, but have you accidentially reduced the
size of your index window? Try dragging out the right border.

Susan H.

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Andy,
>
> I have 2013 here at the office. It doesn't seem to do that on this
> version. I have 2010 on a machine at home. I will try to remember to
> check it there later.
>
> GK
>
> On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 4:22 AM, Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >
> > I haven't used A2010 that much so forgive me if this is a daft question,
> but
> > when I'm in table design and have the index window up the index
> properties at
> > the bottom are greyed out and I can't change them. Why? I see my
> individual
> > indexes and can select any of them. I can add and delete indexes so it's
> not as
> > if the anything's locked or read-only and yet I can't, say, change one
to
> > Unique. All that happens when I hover on or click the 3 properties at
> the bottom
> > (Primary, Unique, Ignore Nulls) is that I get an explanation of that
> property
> > overlaying where I should see the options to set Yes or No. For example,
> I try
> > to click on or next to 'Primary' and I have the words "If Yes, this
> index is the
> > Primary key". What I don't have is the Yes/No selections. I can't even
> see what
> > each property is currently set at. Can anyone tell me how to resolve
> this?
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Andy
> > --
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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>
>
>
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> garykjos at gmail.com
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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Mon Dec  1 16:35:59 2014
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 11:35:59 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Report footer at Page Bottom
In-Reply-To: <ABCBDA30482E4223B5D4475E58A225DA@MINSTER>
References: <000301d00d89$f3a2ae70$dae80b50$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<ABCBDA30482E4223B5D4475E58A225DA@MINSTER>
Message-ID: <002701d00db7$2f2c6800$8d853800$@dalyn.co.nz>

Hi Andy,

I already have other stuff in the page footer for each page and including
the report footer information would take up too much extra space on the
other pages.

I am running with the Microsoft article pointed out by Jim.

Regards

David

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2014 8:47 a.m.
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 Report footer at Page Bottom

Sorry David, typo. I meant to put your stuff in the Page Footer and put that
code in the OnFormat of the PageFooter, not ReportFooter. Doh! This will put
it at the foot of the page (as per Page Footer) but suppress it for all but
the last page.

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
Sent: 01 December 2014 17:12
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 Report footer at Page Bottom


Hi Andy,

Thanks for taking the time to reply.  I am not sure how your solution will
help.  The report footer will always be on the last page anyway so there is
no need to check the previous pages.  What I am after is how to position it
on the last page always at the bottom.  Jim seems to have confirmed the best
way to do it.

Regards

David

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Monday, 1 December 2014 10:45 p.m.
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Report footer at Page Bottom

Hi David

How about this?

Create a textbox whose ControlSource is

="Page " & [Page] & " of " & [Pages]

You can make it invisible if you like but it needs to be there.

Then  In the OnFormat of the ReportFooter put this code

If Me.Page <> Me.Pages Then
Cancel = True
End If

The reason you need the textbox is that the Pages property only has a value
if you have a control on the report invoking it.
 
I reckon that should do it.

Cheers

Andy

 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
Sent: 01 December 2014 04:46
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 Report footer at Page Bottom


Thanks Charlotte,
I have seen some code by Microsoft for putting it at the bottom of the last
page but it seemed to cover more situations than what I wanted.
Because the text I want is higher than what I want to allow for a page
footer on every page it would waste too much space on all the pages before
the last one.
Back to the drawing board.
Regards
David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, 1 December 2014 1:48 p.m.
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 Report footer at Page Bottom

The report footer is always going to print immediately after the report.
If you want it at the bottom of the page, you need to use the page footer.
Alternatively you can put a dummy subreport on the report and force it to a
size that will move the report footer to the bottom. That requires more care
and feeding than it's worth.

Chafrlotte

On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 2:40 PM, David Emerson <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz> wrote:

> Hi Listers,
>>
> Does anyone have some simple code that puts the report footer at the 
> bottom of the last page. I don't want to use the page footer section, 
> just the report footer section.
>>
> Regards
>
> David Emerson
> Dalyn Software Ltd
> Wellington, New Zealand


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Dec  2 03:04:48 2014
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 09:04:48 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [AccessD]  Access 2010 Indexes
Message-ID: <1613816196.8931.1417511088219.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxbaltgw11.schlund.de>

 Well how red-faced do I feel? You're spot-on Susan. This happens if you reduce
the width of the index window. Widen it and voila, there are the settings. Doh!
Still don't think it's very clever of MS for this to happen, but it's certainly
not clever of me not to have realised. Thanks Susan.

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: 01 December 2014 20:00
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 Indexes


Okay, I might be way off base here, but have you accidentially reduced the
size of your index window? Try dragging out the right border.

Susan H.

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Andy,
>
> I have 2013 here at the office. It doesn't seem to do that on this
> version. I have 2010 on a machine at home. I will try to remember to
> check it there later.
>
> GK
>
> On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 4:22 AM, Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >
> > I haven't used A2010 that much so forgive me if this is a daft question,
> but
> > when I'm in table design and have the index window up the index
> properties at
> > the bottom are greyed out and I can't change them. Why? I see my
> individual
> > indexes and can select any of them. I can add and delete indexes so it's
> not as
> > if the anything's locked or read-only and yet I can't, say, change one
to
> > Unique. All that happens when I hover on or click the 3 properties at
> the bottom
> > (Primary, Unique, Ignore Nulls) is that I get an explanation of that
> property
> > overlaying where I should see the options to set Yes or No. For example,
> I try
> > to click on or next to 'Primary' and I have the words "If Yes, this
> index is the
> > Primary key". What I don't have is the Yes/No selections. I can't even
> see what
> > each property is currently set at. Can anyone tell me how to resolve
> this?
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Andy
> > --
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> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
> --
> Gary Kjos
> garykjos at gmail.com
> --
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Dec  2 07:39:11 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 08:39:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Indexes
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+c6R6nvwv04rQAWNq=y1o2cahou8pRmO4AfK3dV5pjE-g@mail.gmail.com>

It's something a reader would do. :) I get the oddest questions. I'm glad
it was so easily solved!

I agree with you -- shouldn't happen at all.

Susan H.


On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 4:04 AM, Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
wrote:

>  Well how red-faced do I feel? You're spot-on Susan. This happens if you
> reduce
> the width of the index window. Widen it and voila, there are the settings.
> Doh!
> Still don't think it's very clever of MS for this to happen, but it's
> certainly
> not clever of me not to have realised. Thanks Susan.
>
> Andy
>

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 12:30:50 2014
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 10:30:50 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Report footer at Page Bottom
In-Reply-To: <000401d00d8a$1155fbc0$3401f340$@dalyn.co.nz>
References: <001801d00cee$a31b9cf0$e952d6d0$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<3E84E987D68A4F07BA16092A03A22AFC@XPS>
	<000401d00d8a$1155fbc0$3401f340$@dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met-RWGM5uhnXWkEi4+7So0o6hBG-kfqmPgZbtcROA0pUmA@mail.gmail.com>

I've used the dummy group technique many times for both headers and footers
and it works quite well.

Charlotte

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 9:13 AM, David Emerson <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz> wrote:

> Thanks Jim,  I think that is the way I ned to go.
>
> Regards
>
> David
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2014 1:05 a.m.
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 Report footer at Page Bottom
>
> David,
>
>  Couple methods here:
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/208979
>
>  Keep in mind that you can create a dummy group using the expressions =1 to
> give you a extra header/footer.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 05:40 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Report footer at Page Bottom
>
> Hi Listers,
>
> Does anyone have some simple code that puts the report footer at the bottom
> of the last page.  I don't want to use the page footer section, just the
> report footer section.
>
> Regards
>
> David Emerson
> Dalyn Software Ltd
> Wellington, New Zealand
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From bensonforums at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 08:25:36 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 09:25:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Report footer at Page Bottom
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met-RWGM5uhnXWkEi4+7So0o6hBG-kfqmPgZbtcROA0pUmA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001801d00cee$a31b9cf0$e952d6d0$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<3E84E987D68A4F07BA16092A03A22AFC@XPS>
	<000401d00d8a$1155fbc0$3401f340$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<CAH+Met-RWGM5uhnXWkEi4+7So0o6hBG-kfqmPgZbtcROA0pUmA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_1PiDTHCMv2+6AaT4Eiqa0W8Wp5BnqaUtSeESR-UfRWXw@mail.gmail.com>

Question:  This is probably a catch 22 / non-starter but... is there a way
Access can "know" the number of pages in a report without that footer, by
running a version without the footer in "the background" (as if there were
such a thing - am making this up as I go along)... then, re-run the report
with a provision that the footer shall not print unless the current page is
that page count that was achieved from the previous run?

Feel free to tell me I am off the wall and out of air.

On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I've used the dummy group technique many times for both headers and footers
> and it works quite well.
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 9:13 AM, David Emerson <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz>
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Jim,  I think that is the way I ned to go.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > David
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> > Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2014 1:05 a.m.
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 Report footer at Page Bottom
> >
> > David,
> >
> >  Couple methods here:
> >
> > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/208979
> >
> >  Keep in mind that you can create a dummy group using the expressions =1
> to
> > give you a extra header/footer.
> >
> > Jim.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
> > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 05:40 PM
> > To: AccessD
> > Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Report footer at Page Bottom
> >
> > Hi Listers,
> >
> > Does anyone have some simple code that puts the report footer at the
> bottom
> > of the last page.  I don't want to use the page footer section, just the
> > report footer section.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > David Emerson
> > Dalyn Software Ltd
> > Wellington, New Zealand
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 10:13:23 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 11:13:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] reporting and multi-value fields
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+cCpDcWPjzfDQzVGR3Y1bU3bqambozrt3iM-FLfEphZ4A@mail.gmail.com>

>From a reader -- it isn't something I've had to deal with -- any links to
good info or some advice for this guy?

Thanks!
Susan Harkins

Hi Susan, great short synopsis on using multi-value fields in Access 2010.
But from a reporting end, how would you handle such a field? For example,
if I'm capturing error types and the user picks four errors then this would
be recorded as a memo field with the value separated by commas. Yet this is
not advantageous for reporting purposes. I would have to parse the data to
extract each of the values. Am I correct on my understanding? Your input
would be highly appreciated.

From bensonforums at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 10:22:44 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 11:22:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] reporting and multi-value fields
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+cCpDcWPjzfDQzVGR3Y1bU3bqambozrt3iM-FLfEphZ4A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+cCpDcWPjzfDQzVGR3Y1bU3bqambozrt3iM-FLfEphZ4A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_17kXWonDtKnQw0XybM4LpifAmwFK+_q3M0FAi373N6Dw@mail.gmail.com>

If I understand properly, normalize / expand your entities. In this case,
sounds like this user could benefit from a cross table to create a many to
one relationship of reported error types to events/incidences.

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:

> From a reader -- it isn't something I've had to deal with -- any links to
> good info or some advice for this guy?
>
> Thanks!
> Susan Harkins
>
> Hi Susan, great short synopsis on using multi-value fields in Access 2010.
> But from a reporting end, how would you handle such a field? For example,
> if I'm capturing error types and the user picks four errors then this would
> be recorded as a memo field with the value separated by commas. Yet this is
> not advantageous for reporting purposes. I would have to parse the data to
> extract each of the values. Am I correct on my understanding? Your input
> would be highly appreciated.
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 10:31:12 2014
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 08:31:12 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Report footer at Page Bottom
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_1PiDTHCMv2+6AaT4Eiqa0W8Wp5BnqaUtSeESR-UfRWXw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001801d00cee$a31b9cf0$e952d6d0$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<3E84E987D68A4F07BA16092A03A22AFC@XPS>
	<000401d00d8a$1155fbc0$3401f340$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<CAH+Met-RWGM5uhnXWkEi4+7So0o6hBG-kfqmPgZbtcROA0pUmA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJLzs_1PiDTHCMv2+6AaT4Eiqa0W8Wp5BnqaUtSeESR-UfRWXw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9mWw0kM8uVCW1NKSSXmHtXXkR16HB1Ga71Q6tiscjatw@mail.gmail.com>

Not sure what you want to achieve with that.  The report footer always
prints on the last page.  The report formats itself before the print occurs
but the page numbering can change depending on the volume of data in the
report.

Charlotte

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 6:25 AM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com> wrote:

> Question:  This is probably a catch 22 / non-starter but... is there a way
> Access can "know" the number of pages in a report without that footer, by
> running a version without the footer in "the background" (as if there were
> such a thing - am making this up as I go along)... then, re-run the report
> with a provision that the footer shall not print unless the current page is
> that page count that was achieved from the previous run?
>
> Feel free to tell me I am off the wall and out of air.
>
> On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > I've used the dummy group technique many times for both headers and
> footers
> > and it works quite well.
> >
> > Charlotte
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 9:13 AM, David Emerson <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks Jim,  I think that is the way I ned to go.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2014 1:05 a.m.
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 Report footer at Page Bottom
> > >
> > > David,
> > >
> > >  Couple methods here:
> > >
> > > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/208979
> > >
> > >  Keep in mind that you can create a dummy group using the expressions
> =1
> > to
> > > give you a extra header/footer.
> > >
> > > Jim.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David
> Emerson
> > > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 05:40 PM
> > > To: AccessD
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Report footer at Page Bottom
> > >
> > > Hi Listers,
> > >
> > > Does anyone have some simple code that puts the report footer at the
> > bottom
> > > of the last page.  I don't want to use the page footer section, just
> the
> > > report footer section.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > David Emerson
> > > Dalyn Software Ltd
> > > Wellington, New Zealand
> > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From bensonforums at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 11:44:29 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 12:44:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Report footer at Page Bottom
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9mWw0kM8uVCW1NKSSXmHtXXkR16HB1Ga71Q6tiscjatw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001801d00cee$a31b9cf0$e952d6d0$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<3E84E987D68A4F07BA16092A03A22AFC@XPS>
	<000401d00d8a$1155fbc0$3401f340$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<CAH+Met-RWGM5uhnXWkEi4+7So0o6hBG-kfqmPgZbtcROA0pUmA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJLzs_1PiDTHCMv2+6AaT4Eiqa0W8Wp5BnqaUtSeESR-UfRWXw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met9mWw0kM8uVCW1NKSSXmHtXXkR16HB1Ga71Q6tiscjatw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_15C8O60rHxWMF86YOHmNDjYrTeeeC5Q1Doti1-bH-DwA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Charlotte,  I misinterpreted the requirement,  thank you.

Bill
On Dec 5, 2014 11:34 AM, "Charlotte Foust" <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Not sure what you want to achieve with that.  The report footer always
> prints on the last page.  The report formats itself before the print occurs
> but the page numbering can change depending on the volume of data in the
> report.
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 6:25 AM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Question:  This is probably a catch 22 / non-starter but... is there a
> way
> > Access can "know" the number of pages in a report without that footer, by
> > running a version without the footer in "the background" (as if there
> were
> > such a thing - am making this up as I go along)... then, re-run the
> report
> > with a provision that the footer shall not print unless the current page
> is
> > that page count that was achieved from the previous run?
> >
> > Feel free to tell me I am off the wall and out of air.
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Charlotte Foust <
> charlotte.foust at gmail.com
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I've used the dummy group technique many times for both headers and
> > footers
> > > and it works quite well.
> > >
> > > Charlotte
> > >
> > > On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 9:13 AM, David Emerson <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thanks Jim,  I think that is the way I ned to go.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > David
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> Dettman
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2014 1:05 a.m.
> > > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 Report footer at Page Bottom
> > > >
> > > > David,
> > > >
> > > >  Couple methods here:
> > > >
> > > > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/208979
> > > >
> > > >  Keep in mind that you can create a dummy group using the expressions
> > =1
> > > to
> > > > give you a extra header/footer.
> > > >
> > > > Jim.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David
> > Emerson
> > > > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 05:40 PM
> > > > To: AccessD
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Report footer at Page Bottom
> > > >
> > > > Hi Listers,
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone have some simple code that puts the report footer at the
> > > bottom
> > > > of the last page.  I don't want to use the page footer section, just
> > the
> > > > report footer section.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > David Emerson
> > > > Dalyn Software Ltd
> > > > Wellington, New Zealand
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Dec  5 17:26:20 2014
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 09:26:20 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] reporting and multi-value fields
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+cCpDcWPjzfDQzVGR3Y1bU3bqambozrt3iM-FLfEphZ4A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+cCpDcWPjzfDQzVGR3Y1bU3bqambozrt3iM-FLfEphZ4A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54823F1C.2417.AD122C4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Best advice. Avoid multi-value fields like the plague.  They are an abomination in the eyes of 
Codd :)

Second best - you need to separate them out in the underlying query, put a report grouping 
on the primary record's key and put the rest of your information in the section header with 
only the MV values in the detail section


-- 
Stuart

On 5 Dec 2014 at 11:13, Susan Harkins wrote:

> From a reader -- it isn't something I've had to deal with -- any links
> to good info or some advice for this guy?
> 
> Thanks!
> Susan Harkins
> 
> Hi Susan, great short synopsis on using multi-value fields in Access
> 2010. But from a reporting end, how would you handle such a field? For
> example, if I'm capturing error types and the user picks four errors
> then this would be recorded as a memo field with the value separated
> by commas. Yet this is not advantageous for reporting purposes. I
> would have to parse the data to extract each of the values. Am I
> correct on my understanding? Your input would be highly appreciated.
> -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website:
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 08:20:09 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 09:20:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] reporting and multi-value fields
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+e-p6E-RpWxS=ErBvjY8NK1wEY+JHQjp+qoKcSsMkAH_w@mail.gmail.com>

Right Stuart. I was wondering about the best way to parse the elements. Any
thoughts?

Susan H.


>
> Second best - you need to separate them out in the underlying query, put a
> report grouping
> on the primary record's key and put the rest of your information in the
> section header with
> only the MV values in the detail section
>
>

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 12:38:55 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 13:38:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] reporting and multi-value fields
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Susan,

Stuart has it 100% correct, IMO. Multi-valued columns violate everything
we've learned from Codd and Date and others.

A suggestion for an article by you, Susan. Find out why the Access dev-team
decided to add this abomination. That would provide most interesting
reading. What were they drinking when they came up with this most asinine
notion?

On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:

> Right Stuart. I was wondering about the best way to parse the elements. Any
> thoughts?
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> >
> > Second best - you need to separate them out in the underlying query, put
> a
> > report grouping
> > on the primary record's key and put the rest of your information in the
> > section header with
> > only the MV values in the detail section
> >
> >
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>



-- 
Arthur

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 12:51:51 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 13:51:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] reporting and multi-value fields
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You guys think too much like developers and not enough like users. :) I'm
not opposed to the setup. But, I do think they should provide a built-in
way to parse for querying and reporting.

Susan H.

On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Susan,
>
> Stuart has it 100% correct, IMO. Multi-valued columns violate everything
> we've learned from Codd and Date and others.
>
> A suggestion for an article by you, Susan. Find out why the Access dev-team
> decided to add this abomination. That would provide most interesting
> reading. What were they drinking when they came up with this most asinine
> notion?
>
> On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Right Stuart. I was wondering about the best way to parse the elements.
> Any
> > thoughts?
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Second best - you need to separate them out in the underlying query,
> put
> > a
> > > report grouping
> > > on the primary record's key and put the rest of your information in the
> > > section header with
> > > only the MV values in the detail section
> > >
> > >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Arthur
> --
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 13:33:40 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 14:33:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] reporting and multi-value fields
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Susan,

Did it ever occur to you that only two businesses in the world use the term
"users" as opposed to clients or customers? The two businesses are
drug-dealers and software-dealers. Everyone else has more respect.

Getting back to the topic, it is way more useful to create a child-table
with a subform addressing it than a multi-valued field. Let us suppose that
the e/o in this case involves Children (actual humans). We now want to
branch off from there to discern the number of children of parents of any
income bracket that suffer disease or disorder X. Can you appreciate how
difficult this problem becomes with attached fields? If the children reside
in a separate table, this problem is trivial; otherwise it's hideously
complex; admittedly not as complex as planting a satellite on a distant
comet, but still pretty tough.

And let me add that that particular landing was one of the most spectacular
achievements in the history of humankind.Ten years and 50 million kms and 3
landings, and it did it!

That is awesome beyond belief.

On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:

> You guys think too much like developers and not enough like users. :) I'm
> not opposed to the setup. But, I do think they should provide a built-in
> way to parse for querying and reporting.
>
> Susan H.
>
> On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Susan,
> >
> > Stuart has it 100% correct, IMO. Multi-valued columns violate everything
> > we've learned from Codd and Date and others.
> >
> > A suggestion for an article by you, Susan. Find out why the Access
> dev-team
> > decided to add this abomination. That would provide most interesting
> > reading. What were they drinking when they came up with this most asinine
> > notion?
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Right Stuart. I was wondering about the best way to parse the elements.
> > Any
> > > thoughts?
> > >
> > > Susan H.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Second best - you need to separate them out in the underlying query,
> > put
> > > a
> > > > report grouping
> > > > on the primary record's key and put the rest of your information in
> the
> > > > section header with
> > > > only the MV values in the detail section
> > > >
> > > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Arthur
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Arthur

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 13:44:01 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 14:44:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] reporting and multi-value fields
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+dK-o1VDAT9YBLUVWFygdtKnE15N7SCk6PMOV-ZvcD-xQ@mail.gmail.com>

>
>
>
> Did it ever occur to you that only two businesses in the world use the term
> "users" as opposed to clients or customers? The two businesses are
> drug-dealers and software-dealers. Everyone else has more respect.
>

==========I use the term in almost every article I write. As far as I know,
no one has ever complained that I was being disrespectful, and I don't
pedal anything. I like users and I respect them. I have a really decent
lifestyle because of them. I like that I can often make their jobs a little
bit easier. I don't think I appreciate your inference that I don't.

Not particularly useful, but I hope you feel better.

Now, does someone have something I can actually share with this reader that
might help?

Susan H.

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 14:05:15 2014
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 12:05:15 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] reporting and multi-value fields
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+dK-o1VDAT9YBLUVWFygdtKnE15N7SCk6PMOV-ZvcD-xQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAH+Met-JVkkdvy+Pma9QraWEBG1SrYsbP0F915TiRh9eKh8ecA@mail.gmail.com>

You can use the Choose() function to parse the individual values out into
separate fields in the query, but the result is awkward.  If they are ok
with VBA, Split() can be used to parse the values into an array and the
report code can handle formatting them into a list. I haven't worked with
multi-value fields, so I'm just guessing but, another approach might be to
create a subreport for just those values based on a query that contains
just the PK and each parsed out value for the entire recordset using the
Choose() function or on a temp table created the same way.

Charlotte

On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:

> >
> >
> >
> > Did it ever occur to you that only two businesses in the world use the
> term
> > "users" as opposed to clients or customers? The two businesses are
> > drug-dealers and software-dealers. Everyone else has more respect.
> >
>
> ==========I use the term in almost every article I write. As far as I know,
> no one has ever complained that I was being disrespectful, and I don't
> pedal anything. I like users and I respect them. I have a really decent
> lifestyle because of them. I like that I can often make their jobs a little
> bit easier. I don't think I appreciate your inference that I don't.
>
> Not particularly useful, but I hope you feel better.
>
> Now, does someone have something I can actually share with this reader that
> might help?
>
> Susan H.
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From bensonforums at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 14:11:02 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 15:11:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] reporting and multi-value fields
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+dK-o1VDAT9YBLUVWFygdtKnE15N7SCk6PMOV-ZvcD-xQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Thought I did and you didn't give me a reply nor request for clarification.
So I guess we know you respect users, how about colleagues / developers /
listers? :)

 On Dec 7, 2014 2:48 PM, "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:

> >
> >
> >
> > Did it ever occur to you that only two businesses in the world use the
> term
> > "users" as opposed to clients or customers? The two businesses are
> > drug-dealers and software-dealers. Everyone else has more respect.
> >
>
> ==========I use the term in almost every article I write. As far as I know,
> no one has ever complained that I was being disrespectful, and I don't
> pedal anything. I like users and I respect them. I have a really decent
> lifestyle because of them. I like that I can often make their jobs a little
> bit easier. I don't think I appreciate your inference that I don't.
>
> Not particularly useful, but I hope you feel better.
>
> Now, does someone have something I can actually share with this reader that
> might help?
>
> Susan H.
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 14:11:53 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 15:11:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] reporting and multi-value fields
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<http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/forum/topic449.html>

It works great!

Susan H.

On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
wrote:

> You can use the Choose() function to parse the individual values out into
> separate fields in the query, but the result is awkward.  If they are ok
> with VBA, Split() can be used to parse the values into an array and the
> report code can handle formatting them into a list. I haven't worked with
> multi-value fields, so I'm just guessing but, another approach might be to
> create a subreport for just those values based on a query that contains
> just the PK and each parsed out value for the entire recordset using the
> Choose() function or on a temp table created the same way.
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Did it ever occur to you that only two businesses in the world use the
> > term
> > > "users" as opposed to clients or customers? The two businesses are
> > > drug-dealers and software-dealers. Everyone else has more respect.
> > >
> >
> > ==========I use the term in almost every article I write. As far as I
> know,
> > no one has ever complained that I was being disrespectful, and I don't
> > pedal anything. I like users and I respect them. I have a really decent
> > lifestyle because of them. I like that I can often make their jobs a
> little
> > bit easier. I don't think I appreciate your inference that I don't.
> >
> > Not particularly useful, but I hope you feel better.
> >
> > Now, does someone have something I can actually share with this reader
> that
> > might help?
> >
> > Susan H.
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From bensonforums at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 14:17:35 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 15:17:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] reporting and multi-value fields
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_2HwduLiK-cp_bLr6xGJNSms=4pSY8RubHmrW6sxdkBrg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+dK-o1VDAT9YBLUVWFygdtKnE15N7SCk6PMOV-ZvcD-xQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Also, for reporting purposes, I have run a crosstab query once to get a max
case of all field values, then hard code those as report columns, the
quantity of unique results (values in the multivalue field) drives how many
fields are needed (if say I have to add labels, I will put more than I need
on the report and then make ones I didn't use invisible or in negative left
territory.) Using such dynamic SQL to change the query's SQL for the report
has helped me deal with additional data points as column headers.
On Dec 7, 2014 3:11 PM, "Bill Benson" <bensonforums at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thought I did and you didn't give me a reply nor request for
> clarification. So I guess we know you respect users, how about colleagues /
> developers / listers? :)
>
>  On Dec 7, 2014 2:48 PM, "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Did it ever occur to you that only two businesses in the world use the
>> term
>> > "users" as opposed to clients or customers? The two businesses are
>> > drug-dealers and software-dealers. Everyone else has more respect.
>> >
>>
>> ==========I use the term in almost every article I write. As far as I
>> know,
>> no one has ever complained that I was being disrespectful, and I don't
>> pedal anything. I like users and I respect them. I have a really decent
>> lifestyle because of them. I like that I can often make their jobs a
>> little
>> bit easier. I don't think I appreciate your inference that I don't.
>>
>> Not particularly useful, but I hope you feel better.
>>
>> Now, does someone have something I can actually share with this reader
>> that
>> might help?
>>
>> Susan H.
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 14:22:25 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 15:22:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] reporting and multi-value fields
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_2HwduLiK-cp_bLr6xGJNSms=4pSY8RubHmrW6sxdkBrg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+dK-o1VDAT9YBLUVWFygdtKnE15N7SCk6PMOV-ZvcD-xQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJLzs_2HwduLiK-cp_bLr6xGJNSms=4pSY8RubHmrW6sxdkBrg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+fpMg6RL_o0Q-YNYhRjcUZHs-PnREwW7Hw=R+aF70yeEg@mail.gmail.com>

How did I show you disrespect Bill?

Susan H.

On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 3:11 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thought I did and you didn't give me a reply nor request for clarification.
> So I guess we know you respect users, how about colleagues / developers /
> listers? :)
>
>  On Dec 7, 2014 2:48 PM, "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Did it ever occur to you that only two businesses in the world use the
> > term
> > > "users" as opposed to clients or customers? The two businesses are
> > > drug-dealers and software-dealers. Everyone else has more respect.
> > >
> >
> > ==========I use the term in almost every article I write. As far as I
> know,
> > no one has ever complained that I was being disrespectful, and I don't
> > pedal anything. I like users and I respect them. I have a really decent
> > lifestyle because of them. I like that I can often make their jobs a
> little
> > bit easier. I don't think I appreciate your inference that I don't.
> >
> > Not particularly useful, but I hope you feel better.
> >
> > Now, does someone have something I can actually share with this reader
> that
> > might help?
> >
> > Susan H.
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 14:24:44 2014
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 12:24:44 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] reporting and multi-value fields
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+dHSWoq6TWpKsvYADDcxgOJBh7vHhEiWbojvom2fzi18Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+dK-o1VDAT9YBLUVWFygdtKnE15N7SCk6PMOV-ZvcD-xQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met-JVkkdvy+Pma9QraWEBG1SrYsbP0F915TiRh9eKh8ecA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA++Sg+dHSWoq6TWpKsvYADDcxgOJBh7vHhEiWbojvom2fzi18Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met-mJ4PwmmGkJ7Qf2-fxPS4twvYTzn_xR-r62ZTZL9fJCQ@mail.gmail.com>

Susan,
Is your user using an old version of Access?  According to Roger's site,
that doesn't work for 2007.

Charlotte

On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 12:11 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:

> <http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/forum/topic449.html>
>
> It works great!
>
> Susan H.
>
> On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > You can use the Choose() function to parse the individual values out into
> > separate fields in the query, but the result is awkward.  If they are ok
> > with VBA, Split() can be used to parse the values into an array and the
> > report code can handle formatting them into a list. I haven't worked with
> > multi-value fields, so I'm just guessing but, another approach might be
> to
> > create a subreport for just those values based on a query that contains
> > just the PK and each parsed out value for the entire recordset using the
> > Choose() function or on a temp table created the same way.
> >
> > Charlotte
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Did it ever occur to you that only two businesses in the world use
> the
> > > term
> > > > "users" as opposed to clients or customers? The two businesses are
> > > > drug-dealers and software-dealers. Everyone else has more respect.
> > > >
> > >
> > > ==========I use the term in almost every article I write. As far as I
> > know,
> > > no one has ever complained that I was being disrespectful, and I don't
> > > pedal anything. I like users and I respect them. I have a really decent
> > > lifestyle because of them. I like that I can often make their jobs a
> > little
> > > bit easier. I don't think I appreciate your inference that I don't.
> > >
> > > Not particularly useful, but I hope you feel better.
> > >
> > > Now, does someone have something I can actually share with this reader
> > that
> > > might help?
> > >
> > > Susan H.
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Sun Dec  7 14:25:44 2014
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 14:25:44 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] reporting and multi-value fields
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+dHSWoq6TWpKsvYADDcxgOJBh7vHhEiWbojvom2fzi18Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201412072025.sB7KPlU5011338@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey Susan
Boy oh boy!
You are becoming like the rest of us, just another old fart.

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: December-07-14 2:12 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] reporting and multi-value fields

<http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/forum/topic449.html>

It works great!

Susan H.

On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
wrote:

> You can use the Choose() function to parse the individual values out into
> separate fields in the query, but the result is awkward.  If they are ok
> with VBA, Split() can be used to parse the values into an array and the
> report code can handle formatting them into a list. I haven't worked with
> multi-value fields, so I'm just guessing but, another approach might be to
> create a subreport for just those values based on a query that contains
> just the PK and each parsed out value for the entire recordset using the
> Choose() function or on a temp table created the same way.
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Did it ever occur to you that only two businesses in the world use the
> > term
> > > "users" as opposed to clients or customers? The two businesses are
> > > drug-dealers and software-dealers. Everyone else has more respect.
> > >
> >
> > ==========I use the term in almost every article I write. As far as I
> know,
> > no one has ever complained that I was being disrespectful, and I don't
> > pedal anything. I like users and I respect them. I have a really decent
> > lifestyle because of them. I like that I can often make their jobs a
> little
> > bit easier. I don't think I appreciate your inference that I don't.
> >
> > Not particularly useful, but I hope you feel better.
> >
> > Now, does someone have something I can actually share with this reader
> that
> > might help?
> >
> > Susan H.
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 14:27:39 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 15:27:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] reporting and multi-value fields
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_26wVxRUA+aL67QJD==75kJa2rnrEv5KjMMwko-bcfPAw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+dK-o1VDAT9YBLUVWFygdtKnE15N7SCk6PMOV-ZvcD-xQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJLzs_2HwduLiK-cp_bLr6xGJNSms=4pSY8RubHmrW6sxdkBrg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJLzs_26wVxRUA+aL67QJD==75kJa2rnrEv5KjMMwko-bcfPAw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+dy+wQFM7+bzzzBAgtxBqyXNVXB1FR2ZAEWoNP7Sm766A@mail.gmail.com>

I don't want to be accused of being disrespectful, so thank you. I don't
think a reader who can't figure this out on his own can apply this. I don't
think I could apply it without serious effort, but thank you.

I don't expect anyone here to think like people who use Access but aren't
developers. I often have a terrible time just understanding their
requests/needs, let alone supplying them with a solution they can quickly
apply. When I'm lucky, I can find an article to refer them to.

I don't use these fields myself, so my lack of experience really limits my
ability to help someone who's using them for more than a closet to store
them in.

Susan  H.

On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com> wrote:

> Also, for reporting purposes, I have run a crosstab query once to get a max
> case of all field values, then hard code those as report columns, the
> quantity of unique results (values in the multivalue field) drives how many
> fields are needed (if say I have to add labels, I will put more than I need
> on the report and then make ones I didn't use invisible or in negative left
> territory.) Using such dynamic SQL to change the query's SQL for the report
> has helped me deal with additional data points as column headers.
> On Dec 7, 2014 3:11 PM, "Bill Benson" <bensonforums at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thought I did and you didn't give me a reply nor request for
> > clarification. So I guess we know you respect users, how about
> colleagues /
> > developers / listers? :)
> >
> >  On Dec 7, 2014 2:48 PM, "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Did it ever occur to you that only two businesses in the world use the
> >> term
> >> > "users" as opposed to clients or customers? The two businesses are
> >> > drug-dealers and software-dealers. Everyone else has more respect.
> >> >
> >>
> >> ==========I use the term in almost every article I write. As far as I
> >> know,
> >> no one has ever complained that I was being disrespectful, and I don't
> >> pedal anything. I like users and I respect them. I have a really decent
> >> lifestyle because of them. I like that I can often make their jobs a
> >> little
> >> bit easier. I don't think I appreciate your inference that I don't.
> >>
> >> Not particularly useful, but I hope you feel better.
> >>
> >> Now, does someone have something I can actually share with this reader
> >> that
> >> might help?
> >>
> >> Susan H.
> >> --
> >> AccessD mailing list
> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 14:28:38 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 15:28:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] reporting and multi-value fields
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+fxcbm65Nfm+MhuMnarxa+Qhoineah+wysXKmLtp=REgA@mail.gmail.com>

Well shoot -- I hope not! I don't think he said. If he can't use it, maybe
he'll let me know.

Susan H.

On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Susan,
> Is your user using an old version of Access?  According to Roger's site,
> that doesn't work for 2007.
>
> Charlotte
>
>

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 14:32:02 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 15:32:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] reporting and multi-value fields
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+e4hkvfByvCr=avmzyJLfYxjqPGWCm8L=ds50uNR1ZyUw@mail.gmail.com>

Arthur's comment really stung -- still stinging. Not sure why I'm the bad
guy for calling him out on it.

Susan H.


On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:

> Hey Susan
> Boy oh boy!
> You are becoming like the rest of us, just another old fart.
>
> Tony Septav
> Nanaimo, BC
> Canada
>
>

From bensonforums at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 14:55:03 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 15:55:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] reporting and multi-value fields
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+dy+wQFM7+bzzzBAgtxBqyXNVXB1FR2ZAEWoNP7Sm766A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+dK-o1VDAT9YBLUVWFygdtKnE15N7SCk6PMOV-ZvcD-xQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJLzs_2HwduLiK-cp_bLr6xGJNSms=4pSY8RubHmrW6sxdkBrg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJLzs_26wVxRUA+aL67QJD==75kJa2rnrEv5KjMMwko-bcfPAw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA++Sg+dy+wQFM7+bzzzBAgtxBqyXNVXB1FR2ZAEWoNP7Sm766A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_1qab2JQciqvpR-E1_xc8uyJXEwpfPndMc6x_P_WNY2vQ@mail.gmail.com>

Ok. Thanks for the response. Good luck.
On Dec 7, 2014 3:31 PM, "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't want to be accused of being disrespectful, so thank you. I don't
> think a reader who can't figure this out on his own can apply this. I don't
> think I could apply it without serious effort, but thank you.
>
> I don't expect anyone here to think like people who use Access but aren't
> developers. I often have a terrible time just understanding their
> requests/needs, let alone supplying them with a solution they can quickly
> apply. When I'm lucky, I can find an article to refer them to.
>
> I don't use these fields myself, so my lack of experience really limits my
> ability to help someone who's using them for more than a closet to store
> them in.
>
> Susan  H.
>
> On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Also, for reporting purposes, I have run a crosstab query once to get a
> max
> > case of all field values, then hard code those as report columns, the
> > quantity of unique results (values in the multivalue field) drives how
> many
> > fields are needed (if say I have to add labels, I will put more than I
> need
> > on the report and then make ones I didn't use invisible or in negative
> left
> > territory.) Using such dynamic SQL to change the query's SQL for the
> report
> > has helped me deal with additional data points as column headers.
> > On Dec 7, 2014 3:11 PM, "Bill Benson" <bensonforums at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Thought I did and you didn't give me a reply nor request for
> > > clarification. So I guess we know you respect users, how about
> > colleagues /
> > > developers / listers? :)
> > >
> > >  On Dec 7, 2014 2:48 PM, "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Did it ever occur to you that only two businesses in the world use
> the
> > >> term
> > >> > "users" as opposed to clients or customers? The two businesses are
> > >> > drug-dealers and software-dealers. Everyone else has more respect.
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> ==========I use the term in almost every article I write. As far as I
> > >> know,
> > >> no one has ever complained that I was being disrespectful, and I don't
> > >> pedal anything. I like users and I respect them. I have a really
> decent
> > >> lifestyle because of them. I like that I can often make their jobs a
> > >> little
> > >> bit easier. I don't think I appreciate your inference that I don't.
> > >>
> > >> Not particularly useful, but I hope you feel better.
> > >>
> > >> Now, does someone have something I can actually share with this reader
> > >> that
> > >> might help?
> > >>
> > >> Susan H.
> > >> --
> > >> AccessD mailing list
> > >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >>
> > >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From bensonforums at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 15:00:08 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 16:00:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] reporting and multi-value fields
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+e4hkvfByvCr=avmzyJLfYxjqPGWCm8L=ds50uNR1ZyUw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+e4hkvfByvCr=avmzyJLfYxjqPGWCm8L=ds50uNR1ZyUw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_11b606aSaSV3tUPMHqgFGAFBQGArDGWE6V8_aQy=UQzA@mail.gmail.com>

This is out of control. I was joking that you went on the defensive so
quickly relative to courtesy users, meanwhile were ignoring my post.
Charity begins at home and so does courtesy. But it was all in fun. And I
should let Art speak for himself,  but I really felt he was kidding too
Susan.

I don't think anyone wanted you to feel bad, we love you.
On Dec 7, 2014 3:34 PM, "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:

> Arthur's comment really stung -- still stinging. Not sure why I'm the bad
> guy for calling him out on it.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:
>
> > Hey Susan
> > Boy oh boy!
> > You are becoming like the rest of us, just another old fart.
> >
> > Tony Septav
> > Nanaimo, BC
> > Canada
> >
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 15:11:36 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 16:11:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] reporting and multi-value fields
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+dgWCwro=N7i3wjaNb5twWJg+Fy9JB7-vAok+Roo2Xw+g@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know what Arthur intended, I can only respond to how it made me
feel. It felt like an attack on my professional reputation. We all depend
heavily on our reputations and the idea that I feel anything but respect
and regard for the people who read my articles and are able to use them is
just... I was floored by Arthur's insinuation. Comparing them to drug
addicts was insulting -- thinking that I might compare them to drug addicts
was appalling to me.

I didn't ignore your post. I had no questions and nothing to add to it.
Over the years, we've all learned that the casual "thank you" posts are
frowned upon. One of the things that I try to do is give a general "Thanks
to everyone ..." at the end of a conversation. I didn't set out to ignore
you or show any disrespect. I wasn't done yet! If you found my lack of
immediate response to be disrespectful, I'm sorry -- it wasn't intended
that way.

Susan H.


On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is out of control. I was joking that you went on the defensive so
> quickly relative to courtesy users, meanwhile were ignoring my post.
> Charity begins at home and so does courtesy. But it was all in fun. And I
> should let Art speak for himself,  but I really felt he was kidding too
> Susan.
>
> I don't think anyone wanted you to feel bad, we love you.
> On Dec 7, 2014 3:34 PM, "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Arthur's comment really stung -- still stinging. Not sure why I'm the bad
> > guy for calling him out on it.
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hey Susan
> > > Boy oh boy!
> > > You are becoming like the rest of us, just another old fart.
> > >
> > > Tony Septav
> > > Nanaimo, BC
> > > Canada
> > >
> > >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From bensonforums at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 15:32:18 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 16:32:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] reporting and multi-value fields
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+dgWCwro=N7i3wjaNb5twWJg+Fy9JB7-vAok+Roo2Xw+g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+dgWCwro=N7i3wjaNb5twWJg+Fy9JB7-vAok+Roo2Xw+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_3JpVC92XNfCgD4SYr_i_w+z=ZTSnYZdisbcdrgG30tqg@mail.gmail.com>

I didn't need a thank you Susan. For you to be insinuating such is yet
another discourtesy.

I said I got no reply nor any request for clarification. From what I can
tell,  my solution wasn't even on target, i certainly don't need a thank
you for an invalid answer.
I don't know what Arthur intended, I can only respond to how it made me
feel. It felt like an attack on my professional reputation. We all depend
heavily on our reputations and the idea that I feel anything but respect
and regard for the people who read my articles and are able to use them is
just... I was floored by Arthur's insinuation. Comparing them to drug
addicts was insulting -- thinking that I might compare them to drug addicts
was appalling to me.

I didn't ignore your post. I had no questions and nothing to add to it.
Over the years, we've all learned that the casual "thank you" posts are
frowned upon. One of the things that I try to do is give a general "Thanks
to everyone ..." at the end of a conversation. I didn't set out to ignore
you or show any disrespect. I wasn't done yet! If you found my lack of
immediate response to be disrespectful, I'm sorry -- it wasn't intended
that way.

Susan H.


On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is out of control. I was joking that you went on the defensive so
> quickly relative to courtesy users, meanwhile were ignoring my post.
> Charity begins at home and so does courtesy. But it was all in fun. And I
> should let Art speak for himself,  but I really felt he was kidding too
> Susan.
>
> I don't think anyone wanted you to feel bad, we love you.
> On Dec 7, 2014 3:34 PM, "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Arthur's comment really stung -- still stinging. Not sure why I'm the
bad
> > guy for calling him out on it.
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hey Susan
> > > Boy oh boy!
> > > You are becoming like the rest of us, just another old fart.
> > >
> > > Tony Septav
> > > Nanaimo, BC
> > > Canada
> > >
> > >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
--
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Dec  7 15:36:28 2014
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 07:36:28 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] reporting and multi-value fields
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+dgWCwro=N7i3wjaNb5twWJg+Fy9JB7-vAok+Roo2Xw+g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+dgWCwro=N7i3wjaNb5twWJg+Fy9JB7-vAok+Roo2Xw+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5484C85C.4849.14B924FA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Chill girl!  :-)

Art's quip about "users" and "dealers" is an old joke in the software development world - I'm 
sure he didn't mean any disrespect.

We all have a tremendous amount of respect for what you do for your readers.

Love,
Stuart



On 7 Dec 2014 at 16:11, Susan Harkins wrote:

> I don't know what Arthur intended, I can only respond to how it made
> me feel. It felt like an attack on my professional reputation. We all
> depend heavily on our reputations and the idea that I feel anything
> but respect and regard for the people who read my articles and are
> able to use them is just... I was floored by Arthur's insinuation.
> Comparing them to drug addicts was insulting -- thinking that I might
> compare them to drug addicts was appalling to me.
> 
> I didn't ignore your post. I had no questions and nothing to add to
> it. Over the years, we've all learned that the casual "thank you"
> posts are frowned upon. One of the things that I try to do is give a
> general "Thanks to everyone ..." at the end of a conversation. I
> didn't set out to ignore you or show any disrespect. I wasn't done
> yet! If you found my lack of immediate response to be disrespectful,
> I'm sorry -- it wasn't intended that way.
> 
> Susan H.
> 
> 
> On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > This is out of control. I was joking that you went on the defensive
> > so quickly relative to courtesy users, meanwhile were ignoring my
> > post. Charity begins at home and so does courtesy. But it was all in
> > fun. And I should let Art speak for himself,  but I really felt he
> > was kidding too Susan.
> >
> > I don't think anyone wanted you to feel bad, we love you.
> > On Dec 7, 2014 3:34 PM, "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Arthur's comment really stung -- still stinging. Not sure why I'm
> > > the bad guy for calling him out on it.
> > >
> > > Susan H.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hey Susan
> > > > Boy oh boy!
> > > > You are becoming like the rest of us, just another old fart.
> > > >
> > > > Tony Septav
> > > > Nanaimo, BC
> > > > Canada
> > > >
> > > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From bradm at blackforestltd.com  Tue Dec  9 15:48:01 2014
From: bradm at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 21:48:01 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Change Order within Access 2007 Report Group
In-Reply-To: <e5b53eb80ace410eb3b7d7d7878c5441@HKXPR04MB360.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <Ymiw1o01X0xgD8Z01miyBV> <001501cfaea5$78d7f710$6a87e530$@cox.net>
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	<e5b53eb80ace410eb3b7d7d7878c5441@HKXPR04MB360.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BLUPR0501MB8844467E6FC1BD104C42830CF650@BLUPR0501MB884.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

All,

Is it possible to change the order in an Access report Group from "with A on top" to "with Z on top" with VBA code?

We currently have an Access 2007 report that our Accounting Department uses daily.  This report has one report "Group" on Sales_Order_Number (Ascending).

Recently it was requested that a second report be created with the Sales_Order_Numbers in descending order.

Instead of creating a second report, I would like to have a button to change the Report's Group Order on the fly.  Is this possible via VBA code?

We have several other reports where the sort order is changed on the fly, but none of these have report Groups.

Thanks,
Brad


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Tue Dec  9 16:33:11 2014
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 14:33:11 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Change Order within Access 2007 Report Group
In-Reply-To: <BLUPR0501MB8844467E6FC1BD104C42830CF650@BLUPR0501MB884.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <001501cfaea5$78d7f710$6a87e530$@cox.net>
	<002a01cfaf40$a08c22e0$e1a468a0$@cox.net>
	<7c836e077fe4416ba874add88e5542d8@BLUPR0501MB884.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
	<e5b53eb80ace410eb3b7d7d7878c5441@HKXPR04MB360.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<BLUPR0501MB8844467E6FC1BD104C42830CF650@BLUPR0501MB884.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met8B=cuOEC8feeEg0Cj1x6yhYevYCm17wGgyepcitaV=PA@mail.gmail.com>

The simplest way is to have two groups on the same values, one sorted one
way and the second sorted the other.  Then just show or hide the group
depending on what the user wants.

Charlotte

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Brad Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com> wrote:

> All,
>
> Is it possible to change the order in an Access report Group from "with A
> on top" to "with Z on top" with VBA code?
>
> We currently have an Access 2007 report that our Accounting Department
> uses daily.  This report has one report "Group" on Sales_Order_Number
> (Ascending).
>
> Recently it was requested that a second report be created with the
> Sales_Order_Numbers in descending order.
>
> Instead of creating a second report, I would like to have a button to
> change the Report's Group Order on the fly.  Is this possible via VBA code?
>
> We have several other reports where the sort order is changed on the fly,
> but none of these have report Groups.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From bruce.kovacs at urs.com  Tue Dec  9 17:00:12 2014
From: bruce.kovacs at urs.com (Kovacs, Bruce)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 23:00:12 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Change Order within Access 2007 Report Group
In-Reply-To: <BLUPR0501MB8844467E6FC1BD104C42830CF650@BLUPR0501MB884.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <Ymiw1o01X0xgD8Z01miyBV>
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I have an action item report that I can sort by various fields (due date, action by person, etc.) using an option group (that sets a global variable gReportType) and then by ascending or descending order using another option group (that sets another global variable gActionSortOrder).

I set the global variables in the command button Click event on the form:
        If Me!optSort = 1 Then
            gReportType = "ByActionNo"
        ElseIf Me!optSort = 2 Then
            gReportType = "ByActionBy"
        ElseIf Me!optSort = 3 Then
            gReportType = "ByDueDate"
        End If

        If Me!optSortOrder = 1 Then
            gActionSortOrder = "Ascending"
        Else
            gActionSortOrder = "Descending"
        End If

In the report's Open event, I have the following:

    Dim MySortOrder As String
    'Ascending = False, Descending = True
    If GetActionSortOrder() = "Ascending" Then
        MySortOrder = "False"
    Else
        MySortOrder = "True"
    End If

    If GetReportType() = "ByDueDate" Then
        Me.GroupLevel(1).ControlSource = "DateDue"
        Me.GroupLevel(1).SortOrder = MySortOrder
        Me.GroupLevel(2).ControlSource = "ActionItemNo"
        Me.GroupLevel(2).SortOrder = False
    ElseIf GetReportType() = "ByActionBy" Then
        Me.GroupLevel(1).ControlSource = "ActionBy"
        Me.GroupLevel(1).SortOrder = MySortOrder
        Me.GroupLevel(2).ControlSource = "DateDue"
        Me.GroupLevel(2).SortOrder = False
    Else                                                'SortByActionNumber
        Me.GroupLevel(1).ControlSource = "ActionItemNo"
        Me.GroupLevel(1).SortOrder = MySortOrder
    End If


Not the cleanest code, but it works.



Bruce Kovacs
Quality Assurance Director

The Steam Generating Team
7207 IBM Drive
Charlotte, NC  28262

Phone: 704-805-2131
Mobile: 704-200-8802
Fax: 704-805-2875
bruce.kovacs at urs.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 04:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Change Order within Access 2007 Report Group

All,

Is it possible to change the order in an Access report Group from "with A on top" to "with Z on top" with VBA code?

We currently have an Access 2007 report that our Accounting Department uses daily.  This report has one report "Group" on Sales_Order_Number (Ascending).

Recently it was requested that a second report be created with the Sales_Order_Numbers in descending order.

Instead of creating a second report, I would like to have a button to change the Report's Group Order on the fly.  Is this possible via VBA code?

We have several other reports where the sort order is changed on the fly, but none of these have report Groups.

Thanks,
Brad

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Dec  9 17:16:24 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 18:16:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Change Order within Access 2007 Report Group
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met8B=cuOEC8feeEg0Cj1x6yhYevYCm17wGgyepcitaV=PA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001501cfaea5$78d7f710$6a87e530$@cox.net>
	<002a01cfaf40$a08c22e0$e1a468a0$@cox.net>
	<7c836e077fe4416ba874add88e5542d8@BLUPR0501MB884.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <CA++Sg+fSS1cikHOz+Lvabt_atkh1o7oW_N9k5Ep9EtEHMOXzWw@mail.gmail.com>

I once added a toolbar to a report like this and used VBA to group the
report according to the user choice from the toolbar. It was easy -- I
thought maybe I'd written about it and looked for an online article, but
didn't find one. Might be something to write about. It would be easy to add
sort options to a custom group that opens with the report I would think.

Susan H.

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
wrote:

> The simplest way is to have two groups on the same values, one sorted one
> way and the second sorted the other.  Then just show or hide the group
> depending on what the user wants.
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Brad Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com>
> wrote:
>
> > All,
> >
> > Is it possible to change the order in an Access report Group from "with A
> > on top" to "with Z on top" with VBA code?
> >
> > We currently have an Access 2007 report that our Accounting Department
> > uses daily.  This report has one report "Group" on Sales_Order_Number
> > (Ascending).
> >
> > Recently it was requested that a second report be created with the
> > Sales_Order_Numbers in descending order.
> >
> > Instead of creating a second report, I would like to have a button to
> > change the Report's Group Order on the fly.  Is this possible via VBA
> code?
> >
> > We have several other reports where the sort order is changed on the fly,
> > but none of these have report Groups.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brad
> >
> > --
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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>

From bradm at blackforestltd.com  Wed Dec 10 15:25:54 2014
From: bradm at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 21:25:54 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Change Order within Access 2007 Report Group -
 Thanks! Plus Bonus Puzzler
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+fSS1cikHOz+Lvabt_atkh1o7oW_N9k5Ep9EtEHMOXzWw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001501cfaea5$78d7f710$6a87e530$@cox.net>
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	<e5b53eb80ace410eb3b7d7d7878c5441@HKXPR04MB360.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<BLUPR0501MB8844467E6FC1BD104C42830CF650@BLUPR0501MB884.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
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Susan, Bruce, Charlotte,

Thanks for your assistance on this question.

I now have a small Access 2007 report that has two buttons.  One button changes the SortOrder in the Report Group to Ascending and the second button changes the SortOrder in the Report Group to Descending. (I use "Report View")

Here is the actual VBA code that I am using for these two report buttons. 

Me.GroupLevel(0).SortOrder = False      ' Ascending

Me.GroupLevel(0).SortOrder = True       ' Descending



This all works nicely, except for one thing.  In order to see the affect of either the Ascending button or the affect of the Descending button, I need to execute the same  line of code two times.

Example - 
  
Me.GroupLevel(0).SortOrder = False      ' Ascending
Me.GroupLevel(0).SortOrder = False      ' Ascending


Things seem to always work nicely, when I do this, but I would like to understand why it appears to take two executions of this code.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Brad
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 5:16 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change Order within Access 2007 Report Group

I once added a toolbar to a report like this and used VBA to group the report according to the user choice from the toolbar. It was easy -- I thought maybe I'd written about it and looked for an online article, but didn't find one. Might be something to write about. It would be easy to add sort options to a custom group that opens with the report I would think.

Susan H.

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
wrote:

> The simplest way is to have two groups on the same values, one sorted 
> one way and the second sorted the other.  Then just show or hide the 
> group depending on what the user wants.
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Brad Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com>
> wrote:
>
> > All,
> >
> > Is it possible to change the order in an Access report Group from 
> > "with A on top" to "with Z on top" with VBA code?
> >
> > We currently have an Access 2007 report that our Accounting 
> > Department uses daily.  This report has one report "Group" on 
> > Sales_Order_Number (Ascending).
> >
> > Recently it was requested that a second report be created with the 
> > Sales_Order_Numbers in descending order.
> >
> > Instead of creating a second report, I would like to have a button 
> > to change the Report's Group Order on the fly.  Is this possible via 
> > VBA
> code?
> >
> > We have several other reports where the sort order is changed on the 
> > fly, but none of these have report Groups.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brad
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Dec 10 16:43:25 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 17:43:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Change Order within Access 2007 Report Group -
 Thanks! Plus Bonus Puzzler
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+cDPYFb5gkB_tGZn7N2+fAfm=45RdiaBU-cNFczqGeodQ@mail.gmail.com>

> Brad, I don't recall running into that, but it was years ago when I did
> it. The only difficulty I recall was working out the grouping levels -- I
> had about three in the works and getting the syntax right was a bear.
>

Susan H.


> This all works nicely, except for one thing.  In order to see the affect
> of either the Ascending button or the affect of the Descending button, I
> need to execute the same  line of code two times.
>
> Example -
>
> Me.GroupLevel(0).SortOrder = False      ' Ascending
> Me.GroupLevel(0).SortOrder = False      ' Ascending
>
>
> Things seem to always work nicely, when I do this, but I would like to
> understand why it appears to take two executions of this code.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Wed Dec 10 17:16:19 2014
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 15:16:19 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Change Order within Access 2007 Report Group -
 Thanks! Plus Bonus Puzzler
In-Reply-To: <BLUPR0501MB8848B8B37A63D11C3A983DECF620@BLUPR0501MB884.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <001501cfaea5$78d7f710$6a87e530$@cox.net>
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If you reload the report view with the passed option (in OpenArgs), the
code should only need to run once, so if I understand what you're doing,
you may need a me.requery in the report routine that sets the sort order.

Charlotte



On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Brad Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com>
wrote:

> Susan, Bruce, Charlotte,
>
> Thanks for your assistance on this question.
>
> I now have a small Access 2007 report that has two buttons.  One button
> changes the SortOrder in the Report Group to Ascending and the second
> button changes the SortOrder in the Report Group to Descending. (I use
> "Report View")
>
> Here is the actual VBA code that I am using for these two report buttons.
>
> Me.GroupLevel(0).SortOrder = False      ' Ascending
>
> Me.GroupLevel(0).SortOrder = True       ' Descending
>
>
>
> This all works nicely, except for one thing.  In order to see the affect
> of either the Ascending button or the affect of the Descending button, I
> need to execute the same  line of code two times.
>
> Example -
>
> Me.GroupLevel(0).SortOrder = False      ' Ascending
> Me.GroupLevel(0).SortOrder = False      ' Ascending
>
>
> Things seem to always work nicely, when I do this, but I would like to
> understand why it appears to take two executions of this code.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 5:16 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change Order within Access 2007 Report Group
>
> I once added a toolbar to a report like this and used VBA to group the
> report according to the user choice from the toolbar. It was easy -- I
> thought maybe I'd written about it and looked for an online article, but
> didn't find one. Might be something to write about. It would be easy to add
> sort options to a custom group that opens with the report I would think.
>
> Susan H.
>
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > The simplest way is to have two groups on the same values, one sorted
> > one way and the second sorted the other.  Then just show or hide the
> > group depending on what the user wants.
> >
> > Charlotte
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Brad Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > All,
> > >
> > > Is it possible to change the order in an Access report Group from
> > > "with A on top" to "with Z on top" with VBA code?
> > >
> > > We currently have an Access 2007 report that our Accounting
> > > Department uses daily.  This report has one report "Group" on
> > > Sales_Order_Number (Ascending).
> > >
> > > Recently it was requested that a second report be created with the
> > > Sales_Order_Numbers in descending order.
> > >
> > > Instead of creating a second report, I would like to have a button
> > > to change the Report's Group Order on the fly.  Is this possible via
> > > VBA
> > code?
> > >
> > > We have several other reports where the sort order is changed on the
> > > fly, but none of these have report Groups.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Brad
> > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From bradm at blackforestltd.com  Thu Dec 11 15:33:21 2014
From: bradm at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 21:33:21 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Change Order within Access 2007 Report Group - Need
 to Execute Command Two Times to See Results
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Charlotte,

Thanks for the help.

I tried adding the "me.requery" command but this change did not make a difference.

If "Me.GroupLevel(0).SortOrder = False" is executed one time, the sort order is not changed

If this command is executed two times, the sort order is changed.

I have run many tests and these results are always consistent.

I don't have a problem with executing the command twice.

I am curious as to why this is happening, however.

Thanks,
Brad
  
       
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 5:16 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change Order within Access 2007 Report Group - Thanks! Plus Bonus Puzzler

If you reload the report view with the passed option (in OpenArgs), the code should only need to run once, so if I understand what you're doing, you may need a me.requery in the report routine that sets the sort order.

Charlotte



On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Brad Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com>
wrote:

> Susan, Bruce, Charlotte,
>
> Thanks for your assistance on this question.
>
> I now have a small Access 2007 report that has two buttons.  One 
> button changes the SortOrder in the Report Group to Ascending and the 
> second button changes the SortOrder in the Report Group to Descending. 
> (I use "Report View")
>
> Here is the actual VBA code that I am using for these two report buttons.
>
> Me.GroupLevel(0).SortOrder = False      ' Ascending
>
> Me.GroupLevel(0).SortOrder = True       ' Descending
>
>
>
> This all works nicely, except for one thing.  In order to see the 
> affect of either the Ascending button or the affect of the Descending 
> button, I need to execute the same  line of code two times.
>
> Example -
>
> Me.GroupLevel(0).SortOrder = False      ' Ascending
> Me.GroupLevel(0).SortOrder = False      ' Ascending
>
>
> Things seem to always work nicely, when I do this, but I would like to 
> understand why it appears to take two executions of this code.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 5:16 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change Order within Access 2007 Report Group
>
> I once added a toolbar to a report like this and used VBA to group the 
> report according to the user choice from the toolbar. It was easy -- I 
> thought maybe I'd written about it and looked for an online article, 
> but didn't find one. Might be something to write about. It would be 
> easy to add sort options to a custom group that opens with the report I would think.
>
> Susan H.
>
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Charlotte Foust 
> <charlotte.foust at gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > The simplest way is to have two groups on the same values, one 
> > sorted one way and the second sorted the other.  Then just show or 
> > hide the group depending on what the user wants.
> >
> > Charlotte
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Brad Marks 
> > <bradm at blackforestltd.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > All,
> > >
> > > Is it possible to change the order in an Access report Group from 
> > > "with A on top" to "with Z on top" with VBA code?
> > >
> > > We currently have an Access 2007 report that our Accounting 
> > > Department uses daily.  This report has one report "Group" on 
> > > Sales_Order_Number (Ascending).
> > >
> > > Recently it was requested that a second report be created with the 
> > > Sales_Order_Numbers in descending order.
> > >
> > > Instead of creating a second report, I would like to have a button 
> > > to change the Report's Group Order on the fly.  Is this possible 
> > > via VBA
> > code?
> > >
> > > We have several other reports where the sort order is changed on 
> > > the fly, but none of these have report Groups.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Brad
> > >
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Thu Dec 11 15:47:25 2014
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 13:47:25 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Change Order within Access 2007 Report Group - Need
 to Execute Command Two Times to See Results
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What event are you running that code in?

Charlotte

On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Brad Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com>
wrote:
>
> Charlotte,
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> I tried adding the "me.requery" command but this change did not make a
> difference.
>
> If "Me.GroupLevel(0).SortOrder = False" is executed one time, the sort
> order is not changed
>
> If this command is executed two times, the sort order is changed.
>
> I have run many tests and these results are always consistent.
>
> I don't have a problem with executing the command twice.
>
> I am curious as to why this is happening, however.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 5:16 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change Order within Access 2007 Report Group -
> Thanks! Plus Bonus Puzzler
>
> If you reload the report view with the passed option (in OpenArgs), the
> code should only need to run once, so if I understand what you're doing,
> you may need a me.requery in the report routine that sets the sort order.
>
> Charlotte
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Brad Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Susan, Bruce, Charlotte,
> >
> > Thanks for your assistance on this question.
> >
> > I now have a small Access 2007 report that has two buttons.  One
> > button changes the SortOrder in the Report Group to Ascending and the
> > second button changes the SortOrder in the Report Group to Descending.
> > (I use "Report View")
> >
> > Here is the actual VBA code that I am using for these two report buttons.
> >
> > Me.GroupLevel(0).SortOrder = False      ' Ascending
> >
> > Me.GroupLevel(0).SortOrder = True       ' Descending
> >
> >
> >
> > This all works nicely, except for one thing.  In order to see the
> > affect of either the Ascending button or the affect of the Descending
> > button, I need to execute the same  line of code two times.
> >
> > Example -
> >
> > Me.GroupLevel(0).SortOrder = False      ' Ascending
> > Me.GroupLevel(0).SortOrder = False      ' Ascending
> >
> >
> > Things seem to always work nicely, when I do this, but I would like to
> > understand why it appears to take two executions of this code.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brad
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 5:16 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change Order within Access 2007 Report Group
> >
> > I once added a toolbar to a report like this and used VBA to group the
> > report according to the user choice from the toolbar. It was easy -- I
> > thought maybe I'd written about it and looked for an online article,
> > but didn't find one. Might be something to write about. It would be
> > easy to add sort options to a custom group that opens with the report I
> would think.
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Charlotte Foust
> > <charlotte.foust at gmail.com
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > The simplest way is to have two groups on the same values, one
> > > sorted one way and the second sorted the other.  Then just show or
> > > hide the group depending on what the user wants.
> > >
> > > Charlotte
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Brad Marks
> > > <bradm at blackforestltd.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > All,
> > > >
> > > > Is it possible to change the order in an Access report Group from
> > > > "with A on top" to "with Z on top" with VBA code?
> > > >
> > > > We currently have an Access 2007 report that our Accounting
> > > > Department uses daily.  This report has one report "Group" on
> > > > Sales_Order_Number (Ascending).
> > > >
> > > > Recently it was requested that a second report be created with the
> > > > Sales_Order_Numbers in descending order.
> > > >
> > > > Instead of creating a second report, I would like to have a button
> > > > to change the Report's Group Order on the fly.  Is this possible
> > > > via VBA
> > > code?
> > > >
> > > > We have several other reports where the sort order is changed on
> > > > the fly, but none of these have report Groups.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Brad
> > > >
> > > > --
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From bradm at blackforestltd.com  Thu Dec 11 16:36:35 2014
From: bradm at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 22:36:35 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Change Order within Access 2007 Report Group - Need
 to Execute Command Two Times to See Results
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Charlotte,

I am opening the report in "Report View" (Access 2007).

The report has two buttons in the Page Header.  One for Sort Ascending, the second one for Sort Descending.

Here is the code tied to the two buttons.

'~~~~~~~~~~~
Private Sub CommandAscending _Click()
Me.GroupLevel(0).SortOrder = False ' Ascending
Me.GroupLevel(0).SortOrder = False ' Ascending
End Sub
'~~~~~~~~~~~

Private Sub CommandDescending _Click()
Me.GroupLevel(0).SortOrder = True ' Descending
Me.GroupLevel(0).SortOrder = True ' Descending
End Sub
'~~~~~~~~~~~

The Group Sort is changed properly when the commands are executed two times as shown in the code above.

The change to the Group Sort is not done when the commands are only executed one time.  

Thanks for your help,

Brad

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 3:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change Order within Access 2007 Report Group - Need to Execute Command Two Times to See Results

What event are you running that code in?

Charlotte

On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Brad Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com>
wrote:
>
> Charlotte,
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> I tried adding the "me.requery" command but this change did not make a 
> difference.
>
> If "Me.GroupLevel(0).SortOrder = False" is executed one time, the sort 
> order is not changed
>
> If this command is executed two times, the sort order is changed.
>
> I have run many tests and these results are always consistent.
>
> I don't have a problem with executing the command twice.
>
> I am curious as to why this is happening, however.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 5:16 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change Order within Access 2007 Report Group - 
> Thanks! Plus Bonus Puzzler
>
> If you reload the report view with the passed option (in OpenArgs), 
> the code should only need to run once, so if I understand what you're 
> doing, you may need a me.requery in the report routine that sets the sort order.
>
> Charlotte
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Brad Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Susan, Bruce, Charlotte,
> >
> > Thanks for your assistance on this question.
> >
> > I now have a small Access 2007 report that has two buttons.  One 
> > button changes the SortOrder in the Report Group to Ascending and 
> > the second button changes the SortOrder in the Report Group to Descending.
> > (I use "Report View")
> >
> > Here is the actual VBA code that I am using for these two report buttons.
> >
> > Me.GroupLevel(0).SortOrder = False      ' Ascending
> >
> > Me.GroupLevel(0).SortOrder = True       ' Descending
> >
> >
> >
> > This all works nicely, except for one thing.  In order to see the 
> > affect of either the Ascending button or the affect of the 
> > Descending button, I need to execute the same  line of code two times.
> >
> > Example -
> >
> > Me.GroupLevel(0).SortOrder = False      ' Ascending
> > Me.GroupLevel(0).SortOrder = False      ' Ascending
> >
> >
> > Things seem to always work nicely, when I do this, but I would like 
> > to understand why it appears to take two executions of this code.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brad
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 5:16 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change Order within Access 2007 Report Group
> >
> > I once added a toolbar to a report like this and used VBA to group 
> > the report according to the user choice from the toolbar. It was 
> > easy -- I thought maybe I'd written about it and looked for an 
> > online article, but didn't find one. Might be something to write 
> > about. It would be easy to add sort options to a custom group that 
> > opens with the report I
> would think.
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Charlotte Foust 
> > <charlotte.foust at gmail.com
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > The simplest way is to have two groups on the same values, one 
> > > sorted one way and the second sorted the other.  Then just show or 
> > > hide the group depending on what the user wants.
> > >
> > > Charlotte
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Brad Marks 
> > > <bradm at blackforestltd.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > All,
> > > >
> > > > Is it possible to change the order in an Access report Group 
> > > > from "with A on top" to "with Z on top" with VBA code?
> > > >
> > > > We currently have an Access 2007 report that our Accounting 
> > > > Department uses daily.  This report has one report "Group" on 
> > > > Sales_Order_Number (Ascending).
> > > >
> > > > Recently it was requested that a second report be created with 
> > > > the Sales_Order_Numbers in descending order.
> > > >
> > > > Instead of creating a second report, I would like to have a 
> > > > button to change the Report's Group Order on the fly.  Is this 
> > > > possible via VBA
> > > code?
> > > >
> > > > We have several other reports where the sort order is changed on 
> > > > the fly, but none of these have report Groups.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Brad
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Dec 14 12:58:10 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 13:58:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Double-click produces error
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+caOVRPuuhs1ny9j9kZ5g=-jLwR70=KCWuG4T5r8wn0hA@mail.gmail.com>

A double-click event procedure returns the error that I can't execute code
in Design view. So... if there's a double-click event in the module, but I
can't execute, what's next?

I think I remember something about putting the report in Design view to
make the change, but there's no code, I just dropped the event in --
nothing's running. Triggering the event alone is producing the error.

A bit of research later -- I'm not closer to figuring it out.

Thanks for any help.

Susan H.

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Dec 14 13:21:11 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 14:21:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Double-click produces error
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+caOVRPuuhs1ny9j9kZ5g=-jLwR70=KCWuG4T5r8wn0hA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+caOVRPuuhs1ny9j9kZ5g=-jLwR70=KCWuG4T5r8wn0hA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+dW-WZOqo8oNmmxuv8Ahb=3DZBMTe1w_AL3z_Viwk6gYw@mail.gmail.com>

Nevermind... I often miss the forest for the trees.

The clue was right there -- can't execute code in design mode. I wasn't in
design mode, I was in Report View so the error message seemed confused.

I was confused. I was in Layout View.

Criminy...

Susan H.

On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> A double-click event procedure returns the error that I can't execute code
> in Design view. So... if there's a double-click event in the module, but I
> can't execute, what's next?
>
> I think I remember something about putting the report in Design view to
> make the change, but there's no code, I just dropped the event in --
> nothing's running. Triggering the event alone is producing the error.
>
> A bit of research later -- I'm not closer to figuring it out.
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Susan H.
>

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Dec 14 16:23:56 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 17:23:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Double-click produces error
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+dW-WZOqo8oNmmxuv8Ahb=3DZBMTe1w_AL3z_Viwk6gYw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+caOVRPuuhs1ny9j9kZ5g=-jLwR70=KCWuG4T5r8wn0hA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA++Sg+dW-WZOqo8oNmmxuv8Ahb=3DZBMTe1w_AL3z_Viwk6gYw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+dciuW9o0LpnxTNit74PLtY3twdJpniX4dPUD2W_63C=g@mail.gmail.com>

Scratch all that.

It was working beautiful and all the sudden... it's back. :( The report is
definitely in Report View. <sigh>

Susan H.

On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Nevermind... I often miss the forest for the trees.
>
> The clue was right there -- can't execute code in design mode. I wasn't in
> design mode, I was in Report View so the error message seemed confused.
>
> I was confused. I was in Layout View.
>
> Criminy...
>
> Susan H.
>
> On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> A double-click event procedure returns the error that I can't execute
>> code in Design view. So... if there's a double-click event in the module,
>> but I can't execute, what's next?
>>
>> I think I remember something about putting the report in Design view to
>> make the change, but there's no code, I just dropped the event in --
>> nothing's running. Triggering the event alone is producing the error.
>>
>> A bit of research later -- I'm not closer to figuring it out.
>>
>> Thanks for any help.
>>
>> Susan H.
>>
>

From jbartow at winhaven.net  Mon Dec 15 12:06:42 2014
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 12:06:42 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund Drive)
	Invitation
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACF22RC3KWdEkmLp1h8C0yTCgAAAEAAAAPVIqBAnvAFGh9CslBQZI+UBAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>

Hi All!

You're all invited to a Holiday Party!

 

We're having a funding drive to keep these lists running. For the last year
we've been running due to one person paying for the list costs. This has to
end. If we get enough, they'll keep going. If we don't they'll just shut
down some day and eventually you'll wonder why you're "not getting any email
from the list lately". 

 

So pretend you're out at a holiday party with DBA and buy it a couple of
craft brews or snifters, as that's all it'll take if everyone joins the
party. Rest assured, DBA can handle as many drinks as it gets. And in any
case, it'll take a taxi home.

 

You can donate at:

http://www.databaseadvisors.com/donations/donor.asp

 

Sincerely,

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From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Mon Dec 15 12:41:10 2014
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 12:41:10 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund
	Drive)Invitation
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Message-ID: <201412151841.sBFIfGAi021073@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey John
There is nothing more I would like to do than to contribute, but let us be
honest.  I just see this list as becoming a dinosaur. I am so sad to say
this as I have been a member with Mr. Colby since the early early nineties.
I have seen the ups and downs, the postives and the negatives. The people
that populate this list are extraordinary. After all these years I seen so
many individuals willing to provide their knowledge and expertize to anyone
asking a question and providing alternative answers. But hey the time has
come.....................

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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Sent: December-15-14 12:07 PM
To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund
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Importance: High

Hi All!

You're all invited to a Holiday Party!

 

We're having a funding drive to keep these lists running. For the last year
we've been running due to one person paying for the list costs. This has to
end. If we get enough, they'll keep going. If we don't they'll just shut
down some day and eventually you'll wonder why you're "not getting any email
from the list lately". 

 

So pretend you're out at a holiday party with DBA and buy it a couple of
craft brews or snifters, as that's all it'll take if everyone joins the
party. Rest assured, DBA can handle as many drinks as it gets. And in any
case, it'll take a taxi home.

 

You can donate at:

http://www.databaseadvisors.com/donations/donor.asp

 

Sincerely,

Your DBA Holiday Party Committee

 

 

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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 12:43:38 2014
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 10:43:38 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Double-click produces error
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+dciuW9o0LpnxTNit74PLtY3twdJpniX4dPUD2W_63C=g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+caOVRPuuhs1ny9j9kZ5g=-jLwR70=KCWuG4T5r8wn0hA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA++Sg+dW-WZOqo8oNmmxuv8Ahb=3DZBMTe1w_AL3z_Viwk6gYw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA++Sg+dciuW9o0LpnxTNit74PLtY3twdJpniX4dPUD2W_63C=g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met-vAFZ+FSnHkgTX6OoLXcYefgbzcRD10xQ0=zadRGtyFg@mail.gmail.com>

I've seen the error in reportview before.  It seems that ReportView is sort
of a hybrid between forms and reports.  I stopped using the double click
and put a button on to trigger the action I wanted. I didn't have time to
research it and find a solution, so I worked around it.

Charlotte

On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Scratch all that.
>
> It was working beautiful and all the sudden... it's back. :( The report is
> definitely in Report View. <sigh>
>
> Susan H.
>
> On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Nevermind... I often miss the forest for the trees.
> >
> > The clue was right there -- can't execute code in design mode. I wasn't
> in
> > design mode, I was in Report View so the error message seemed confused.
> >
> > I was confused. I was in Layout View.
> >
> > Criminy...
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> A double-click event procedure returns the error that I can't execute
> >> code in Design view. So... if there's a double-click event in the
> module,
> >> but I can't execute, what's next?
> >>
> >> I think I remember something about putting the report in Design view to
> >> make the change, but there's no code, I just dropped the event in --
> >> nothing's running. Triggering the event alone is producing the error.
> >>
> >> A bit of research later -- I'm not closer to figuring it out.
> >>
> >> Thanks for any help.
> >>
> >> Susan H.
> >>
> >
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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Mon Dec 15 12:45:43 2014
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 07:45:43 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund
	Drive)	Invitation
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACF22RC3KWdEkmLp1h8C0yTCgAAAEAAAAPVIqBAnvAFGh9CslBQZI+UBAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACF22RC3KWdEkmLp1h8C0yTCgAAAEAAAAPVIqBAnvAFGh9CslBQZI+UBAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <002701d01897$55620580$00261080$@dalyn.co.nz>

John,

Thanks for the heads up.  Can you give us an indication of how much it costs
to run the list for a year so  we can make an appropriate donation?

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, 16 December 2014 7:07 a.m.
To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund Drive)
Invitation
Importance: High

Hi All!

You're all invited to a Holiday Party!

We're having a funding drive to keep these lists running. For the last year
we've been running due to one person paying for the list costs. This has to
end. If we get enough, they'll keep going. If we don't they'll just shut
down some day and eventually you'll wonder why you're "not getting any email
from the list lately". 

So pretend you're out at a holiday party with DBA and buy it a couple of
craft brews or snifters, as that's all it'll take if everyone joins the
party. Rest assured, DBA can handle as many drinks as it gets. And in any
case, it'll take a taxi home.

You can donate at:
http://www.databaseadvisors.com/donations/donor.asp

Sincerely,

Your DBA Holiday Party Committee


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 12:51:19 2014
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 10:51:19 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund
	Drive)Invitation
In-Reply-To: <201412151841.sBFIfGAi021073@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACF22RC3KWdEkmLp1h8C0yTCgAAAEAAAAPVIqBAnvAFGh9CslBQZI+UBAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>
	<201412151841.sBFIfGAi021073@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met96tMDicxWyu_iMVHgKgjLcZhaxY5iwRjFi4hD-doVMaA@mail.gmail.com>

Donate or don't donate, Tony.  No use is beating a dead dinosaur after all
. ;-)

Charlotte

On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:
>
> Hey John
> There is nothing more I would like to do than to contribute, but let us be
> honest.  I just see this list as becoming a dinosaur. I am so sad to say
> this as I have been a member with Mr. Colby since the early early nineties.
> I have seen the ups and downs, the postives and the negatives. The people
> that populate this list are extraordinary. After all these years I seen so
> many individuals willing to provide their knowledge and expertize to anyone
> asking a question and providing alternative answers. But hey the time has
> come.....................
>
> Tony Septav
> Nanaimo, BC
> Canada
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow
> Sent: December-15-14 12:07 PM
> To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund
> Drive)Invitation
> Importance: High
>
> Hi All!
>
> You're all invited to a Holiday Party!
>
>
>
> We're having a funding drive to keep these lists running. For the last year
> we've been running due to one person paying for the list costs. This has to
> end. If we get enough, they'll keep going. If we don't they'll just shut
> down some day and eventually you'll wonder why you're "not getting any
> email
> from the list lately".
>
>
>
> So pretend you're out at a holiday party with DBA and buy it a couple of
> craft brews or snifters, as that's all it'll take if everyone joins the
> party. Rest assured, DBA can handle as many drinks as it gets. And in any
> case, it'll take a taxi home.
>
>
>
> You can donate at:
>
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com/donations/donor.asp
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Your DBA Holiday Party Committee
>
>
>
>
>

From jbartow at winhaven.net  Mon Dec 15 13:22:21 2014
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 13:22:21 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party
	(Fund	Drive)	Invitation
In-Reply-To: <002701d01897$55620580$00261080$@dalyn.co.nz>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACF22RC3KWdEkmLp1h8C0yTCgAAAEAAAAPVIqBAnvAFGh9CslBQZI+UBAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>
	<002701d01897$55620580$00261080$@dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <001801d0189c$73090480$591b0d80$@winhaven.net>

Hi David,
We're currently paying $29.95 per month to support everything we have.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 12:46 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund Drive)
Invitation

John,

Thanks for the heads up.  Can you give us an indication of how much it costs
to run the list for a year so  we can make an appropriate donation?

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, 16 December 2014 7:07 a.m.
To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund Drive)
Invitation
Importance: High

Hi All!

You're all invited to a Holiday Party!

We're having a funding drive to keep these lists running. For the last year
we've been running due to one person paying for the list costs. This has to
end. If we get enough, they'll keep going. If we don't they'll just shut
down some day and eventually you'll wonder why you're "not getting any email
from the list lately". 

So pretend you're out at a holiday party with DBA and buy it a couple of
craft brews or snifters, as that's all it'll take if everyone joins the
party. Rest assured, DBA can handle as many drinks as it gets. And in any
case, it'll take a taxi home.

You can donate at:
http://www.databaseadvisors.com/donations/donor.asp

Sincerely,

Your DBA Holiday Party Committee

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From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Mon Dec 15 13:23:48 2014
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 13:23:48 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party
	(FundDrive)Invitation
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met96tMDicxWyu_iMVHgKgjLcZhaxY5iwRjFi4hD-doVMaA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201412151923.sBFJNsWx021235@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey Charlotte
Touchee!
How much have you donated????

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: December-15-14 12:51 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party
(FundDrive)Invitation

Donate or don't donate, Tony.  No use is beating a dead dinosaur after all
. ;-)

Charlotte

On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:
>
> Hey John
> There is nothing more I would like to do than to contribute, but let us be
> honest.  I just see this list as becoming a dinosaur. I am so sad to say
> this as I have been a member with Mr. Colby since the early early
nineties.
> I have seen the ups and downs, the postives and the negatives. The people
> that populate this list are extraordinary. After all these years I seen so
> many individuals willing to provide their knowledge and expertize to
anyone
> asking a question and providing alternative answers. But hey the time has
> come.....................
>
> Tony Septav
> Nanaimo, BC
> Canada
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow
> Sent: December-15-14 12:07 PM
> To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund
> Drive)Invitation
> Importance: High
>
> Hi All!
>
> You're all invited to a Holiday Party!
>
>
>
> We're having a funding drive to keep these lists running. For the last
year
> we've been running due to one person paying for the list costs. This has
to
> end. If we get enough, they'll keep going. If we don't they'll just shut
> down some day and eventually you'll wonder why you're "not getting any
> email
> from the list lately".
>
>
>
> So pretend you're out at a holiday party with DBA and buy it a couple of
> craft brews or snifters, as that's all it'll take if everyone joins the
> party. Rest assured, DBA can handle as many drinks as it gets. And in any
> case, it'll take a taxi home.
>
>
>
> You can donate at:
>
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com/donations/donor.asp
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Your DBA Holiday Party Committee
>
>
>
>
>
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Mon Dec 15 13:26:40 2014
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 13:26:40 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party
	(Fund	Drive)Invitation
In-Reply-To: <201412151841.sBFIfGAi021073@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACF22RC3KWdEkmLp1h8C0yTCgAAAEAAAAPVIqBAnvAFGh9CslBQZI+UBAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>
	<201412151841.sBFIfGAi021073@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <001f01d0189d$0de1ac50$29a504f0$@winhaven.net>

That's not helping Tony. You can come to the party, since " There is nothing
more I would like to do than to contribute" or skip the party and stay home.
Hopefully no one else will try to be a party pooper. 

As for the list, it has been showing an increase in use. As for Access, I've
personally just had a request for Access programming services from a new
client (referred from an old client). So beat your dead horse Tony. Just be
aware that it may kick back.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 12:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund
Drive)Invitation

Hey John
There is nothing more I would like to do than to contribute, but let us be
honest.  I just see this list as becoming a dinosaur. I am so sad to say
this as I have been a member with Mr. Colby since the early early nineties.
I have seen the ups and downs, the postives and the negatives. The people
that populate this list are extraordinary. After all these years I seen so
many individuals willing to provide their knowledge and expertize to anyone
asking a question and providing alternative answers. But hey the time has
come.....................

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow
Sent: December-15-14 12:07 PM
To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund
Drive)Invitation
Importance: High

Hi All!

You're all invited to a Holiday Party!

 

We're having a funding drive to keep these lists running. For the last year
we've been running due to one person paying for the list costs. This has to
end. If we get enough, they'll keep going. If we don't they'll just shut
down some day and eventually you'll wonder why you're "not getting any email
from the list lately". 

 

So pretend you're out at a holiday party with DBA and buy it a couple of
craft brews or snifters, as that's all it'll take if everyone joins the
party. Rest assured, DBA can handle as many drinks as it gets. And in any
case, it'll take a taxi home.

 

You can donate at:

http://www.databaseadvisors.com/donations/donor.asp

 

Sincerely,

Your DBA Holiday Party Committee

 

 

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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 14:18:15 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 15:18:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund Drive)
	Invitation
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACF22RC3KWdEkmLp1h8C0yTCgAAAEAAAAPVIqBAnvAFGh9CslBQZI+UBAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACF22RC3KWdEkmLp1h8C0yTCgAAAEAAAAPVIqBAnvAFGh9CslBQZI+UBAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_12uYHMtnTWAaWa4thspXBR+K2i5utjRW5E+mWShGR4OA@mail.gmail.com>

I just donated $20. If it is not enough let me know.
Thanks for keeping the list going.
Bill

On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 1:06 PM, John R Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net> wrote:
>
> Hi All!
>
> You're all invited to a Holiday Party!
>
>
>
> We're having a funding drive to keep these lists running. For the last year
> we've been running due to one person paying for the list costs. This has to
> end. If we get enough, they'll keep going. If we don't they'll just shut
> down some day and eventually you'll wonder why you're "not getting any
> email
> from the list lately".
>
>
>
> So pretend you're out at a holiday party with DBA and buy it a couple of
> craft brews or snifters, as that's all it'll take if everyone joins the
> party. Rest assured, DBA can handle as many drinks as it gets. And in any
> case, it'll take a taxi home.
>
>
>
> You can donate at:
>
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com/donations/donor.asp
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Your DBA Holiday Party Committee
>
>
>
>
>
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 15:29:54 2014
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 13:29:54 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party
	(FundDrive)Invitation
In-Reply-To: <201412151923.sBFJNsWx021235@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <CAH+Met96tMDicxWyu_iMVHgKgjLcZhaxY5iwRjFi4hD-doVMaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<201412151923.sBFJNsWx021235@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met8sVu167v4riagz3G6Jh6MUOQv67dud7ZWZL=xFkJ_q5g@mail.gmail.com>

Nosy parker!  I have, in fact donated, but I don't have to tell you how
much!  [?]  Want to fight on the playground???

Charlotte

On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:
>
> Hey Charlotte
> Touchee!
> How much have you donated????
>
> Tony Septav
> Nanaimo, BC
> Canada
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: December-15-14 12:51 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party
> (FundDrive)Invitation
>
> Donate or don't donate, Tony.  No use is beating a dead dinosaur after all
> . ;-)
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hey John
> > There is nothing more I would like to do than to contribute, but let us
> be
> > honest.  I just see this list as becoming a dinosaur. I am so sad to say
> > this as I have been a member with Mr. Colby since the early early
> nineties.
> > I have seen the ups and downs, the postives and the negatives. The people
> > that populate this list are extraordinary. After all these years I seen
> so
> > many individuals willing to provide their knowledge and expertize to
> anyone
> > asking a question and providing alternative answers. But hey the time has
> > come.....................
> >
> > Tony Septav
> > Nanaimo, BC
> > Canada
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow
> > Sent: December-15-14 12:07 PM
> > To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund
> > Drive)Invitation
> > Importance: High
> >
> > Hi All!
> >
> > You're all invited to a Holiday Party!
> >
> >
> >
> > We're having a funding drive to keep these lists running. For the last
> year
> > we've been running due to one person paying for the list costs. This has
> to
> > end. If we get enough, they'll keep going. If we don't they'll just shut
> > down some day and eventually you'll wonder why you're "not getting any
> > email
> > from the list lately".
> >
> >
> >
> > So pretend you're out at a holiday party with DBA and buy it a couple of
> > craft brews or snifters, as that's all it'll take if everyone joins the
> > party. Rest assured, DBA can handle as many drinks as it gets. And in any
> > case, it'll take a taxi home.
> >
> >
> >
> > You can donate at:
> >
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com/donations/donor.asp
> >
> >
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Your DBA Holiday Party Committee
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 15:36:34 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 16:36:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party
	(FundDrive)Invitation
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References: <CAH+Met96tMDicxWyu_iMVHgKgjLcZhaxY5iwRjFi4hD-doVMaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<201412151923.sBFJNsWx021235@databaseadvisors.com>
	<CAH+Met8sVu167v4riagz3G6Jh6MUOQv67dud7ZWZL=xFkJ_q5g@mail.gmail.com>
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Hey, if the collected amount is REALLY big, can we have a real party? :)

On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 4:29 PM, Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Nosy parker!  I have, in fact donated, but I don't have to tell you how
> much!  [?]  Want to fight on the playground???
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hey Charlotte
> > Touchee!
> > How much have you donated????
> >
> > Tony Septav
> > Nanaimo, BC
> > Canada
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> > Sent: December-15-14 12:51 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party
> > (FundDrive)Invitation
> >
> > Donate or don't donate, Tony.  No use is beating a dead dinosaur after
> all
> > . ;-)
> >
> > Charlotte
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey John
> > > There is nothing more I would like to do than to contribute, but let us
> > be
> > > honest.  I just see this list as becoming a dinosaur. I am so sad to
> say
> > > this as I have been a member with Mr. Colby since the early early
> > nineties.
> > > I have seen the ups and downs, the postives and the negatives. The
> people
> > > that populate this list are extraordinary. After all these years I seen
> > so
> > > many individuals willing to provide their knowledge and expertize to
> > anyone
> > > asking a question and providing alternative answers. But hey the time
> has
> > > come.....................
> > >
> > > Tony Septav
> > > Nanaimo, BC
> > > Canada
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R
> Bartow
> > > Sent: December-15-14 12:07 PM
> > > To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund
> > > Drive)Invitation
> > > Importance: High
> > >
> > > Hi All!
> > >
> > > You're all invited to a Holiday Party!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > We're having a funding drive to keep these lists running. For the last
> > year
> > > we've been running due to one person paying for the list costs. This
> has
> > to
> > > end. If we get enough, they'll keep going. If we don't they'll just
> shut
> > > down some day and eventually you'll wonder why you're "not getting any
> > > email
> > > from the list lately".
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > So pretend you're out at a holiday party with DBA and buy it a couple
> of
> > > craft brews or snifters, as that's all it'll take if everyone joins the
> > > party. Rest assured, DBA can handle as many drinks as it gets. And in
> any
> > > case, it'll take a taxi home.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > You can donate at:
> > >
> > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com/donations/donor.asp
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > > Your DBA Holiday Party Committee
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Dec 15 15:41:15 2014
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 07:41:15 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund
	Drive)Invitation
In-Reply-To: <201412151841.sBFIfGAi021073@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACF22RC3KWdEkmLp1h8C0yTCgAAAEAAAAPVIqBAnvAFGh9CslBQZI+UBAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>,
	<201412151841.sBFIfGAi021073@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <548F557B.9124.80207E6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

If there is nothing more you would like to do, then do it.  If you aren't going to then there is no 
need to flog that dead horse again.

The time has come all right - the time to put up or STFU

 -- 
Stuart

On 15 Dec 2014 at 12:41, Tony Septav wrote:

> Hey John
> There is nothing more I would like to do than to contribute, but let
> us be honest.  I just see this list as becoming a dinosaur. I am so
> sad to say this as I have been a member with Mr. Colby since the early
> early nineties. I have seen the ups and downs, the postives and the
> negatives. The people that populate this list are extraordinary. After
> all these years I seen so many individuals willing to provide their
> knowledge and expertize to anyone asking a question and providing
> alternative answers. But hey the time has come.....................
> 
> Tony Septav
> Nanaimo, BC
> Canada
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R
> Bartow Sent: December-15-14 12:07 PM To:
> administrivia at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia -
> DBA List Holiday Party (Fund Drive)Invitation Importance: High
> 
> Hi All!
> 
> You're all invited to a Holiday Party!
> 
> 
> 
> We're having a funding drive to keep these lists running. For the last
> year we've been running due to one person paying for the list costs.
> This has to end. If we get enough, they'll keep going. If we don't
> they'll just shut down some day and eventually you'll wonder why
> you're "not getting any email from the list lately". 
> 
> 
> 
> So pretend you're out at a holiday party with DBA and buy it a couple
> of craft brews or snifters, as that's all it'll take if everyone joins
> the party. Rest assured, DBA can handle as many drinks as it gets. And
> in any case, it'll take a taxi home.
> 
> 
> 
> You can donate at:
> 
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com/donations/donor.asp
> 
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Your DBA Holiday Party Committee
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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> 12/15/14
> 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Dec 15 16:00:01 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 22:00:01 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund Drive)
 Invitation
In-Reply-To: <001f01d0189d$0de1ac50$29a504f0$@winhaven.net>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACF22RC3KWdEkmLp1h8C0yTCgAAAEAAAAPVIqBAnvAFGh9CslBQZI+UBAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>
	<201412151841.sBFIfGAi021073@databaseadvisors.com>,
	<001f01d0189d$0de1ac50$29a504f0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <1418680800958.62758@cactus.dk>

OK. Done.

/gustav

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow
Sent: December-15-14 12:07 PM
To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund
Drive)Invitation
Importance: High

Hi All!

You're all invited to a Holiday Party!

We're having a funding drive to keep these lists running. For the last year
we've been running due to one person paying for the list costs. This has to
end. If we get enough, they'll keep going. If we don't they'll just shut
down some day and eventually you'll wonder why you're "not getting any email
from the list lately".

So pretend you're out at a holiday party with DBA and buy it a couple of
craft brews or snifters, as that's all it'll take if everyone joins the
party. Rest assured, DBA can handle as many drinks as it gets. And in any
case, it'll take a taxi home.

You can donate at:

http://www.databaseadvisors.com/donations/donor.asp

Sincerely,

Your DBA Holiday Party Committee

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 16:13:07 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 17:13:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Double-click produces error
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+casD0keeHPDOHWb4s9yuzupe3vDpKy5UAVwOQv5jCOJA@mail.gmail.com>

Charlotte, that's interesting. I had it working for a while, made some
changes, and whoops... there it was again. By accident, I realized that one
of the events was a click and not dblclick, so I made them all clicks.
Then, I deleted them all, re-entered it all, and it's working fine. I
haven't a clue. I hate to use it if it's buggy, but it's what the clicks
are doing more than the trigger, so I might mention that in the article.

Susan H.

On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> I've seen the error in reportview before.  It seems that ReportView is sort
> of a hybrid between forms and reports.  I stopped using the double click
> and put a button on to trigger the action I wanted. I didn't have time to
> research it and find a solution, so I worked around it.
>
>

From dbdoug at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 19:02:18 2014
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 17:02:18 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund Drive)
	Invitation
In-Reply-To: <1418680800958.62758@cactus.dk>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACF22RC3KWdEkmLp1h8C0yTCgAAAEAAAAPVIqBAnvAFGh9CslBQZI+UBAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>
	<201412151841.sBFIfGAi021073@databaseadvisors.com>
	<001f01d0189d$0de1ac50$29a504f0$@winhaven.net>
	<1418680800958.62758@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAFa8NkhogZUXgyyx9rSfn=qig_cZ7=mJwdZ_Wp-mzCMg_aqOCw@mail.gmail.com>

I made a donation for myself, and another donation in memory of the
Septavsaurus

Doug

On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> OK. Done.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow
> Sent: December-15-14 12:07 PM
> To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund
> Drive)Invitation
> Importance: High
>
> Hi All!
>
> You're all invited to a Holiday Party!
>
> We're having a funding drive to keep these lists running. For the last year
> we've been running due to one person paying for the list costs. This has to
> end. If we get enough, they'll keep going. If we don't they'll just shut
> down some day and eventually you'll wonder why you're "not getting any
> email
> from the list lately".
>
> So pretend you're out at a holiday party with DBA and buy it a couple of
> craft brews or snifters, as that's all it'll take if everyone joins the
> party. Rest assured, DBA can handle as many drinks as it gets. And in any
> case, it'll take a taxi home.
>
> You can donate at:
>
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com/donations/donor.asp
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Your DBA Holiday Party Committee
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From bradm at blackforestltd.com  Mon Dec 15 20:24:40 2014
From: bradm at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 02:24:40 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund
	Drive)	Invitation
In-Reply-To: <CAFa8NkhogZUXgyyx9rSfn=qig_cZ7=mJwdZ_Wp-mzCMg_aqOCw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACF22RC3KWdEkmLp1h8C0yTCgAAAEAAAAPVIqBAnvAFGh9CslBQZI+UBAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>
	<201412151841.sBFIfGAi021073@databaseadvisors.com>
	<001f01d0189d$0de1ac50$29a504f0$@winhaven.net>
	<1418680800958.62758@cactus.dk>,
	<CAFa8NkhogZUXgyyx9rSfn=qig_cZ7=mJwdZ_Wp-mzCMg_aqOCw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1418696680763.23924@blackforestltd.com>

I obtained approval for a donation from the small firm that I work for part time.

Brad Marks
Black Forest LTD
Owatonna, MN

________________________________________
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of Doug Steele <dbdoug at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 7:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund Drive)      Invitation

I made a donation for myself, and another donation in memory of the
Septavsaurus

Doug

On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> OK. Done.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow
> Sent: December-15-14 12:07 PM
> To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund
> Drive)Invitation
> Importance: High
>
> Hi All!
>
> You're all invited to a Holiday Party!
>
> We're having a funding drive to keep these lists running. For the last year
> we've been running due to one person paying for the list costs. This has to
> end. If we get enough, they'll keep going. If we don't they'll just shut
> down some day and eventually you'll wonder why you're "not getting any
> email
> from the list lately".
>
> So pretend you're out at a holiday party with DBA and buy it a couple of
> craft brews or snifters, as that's all it'll take if everyone joins the
> party. Rest assured, DBA can handle as many drinks as it gets. And in any
> case, it'll take a taxi home.
>
> You can donate at:
>
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com/donations/donor.asp
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Your DBA Holiday Party Committee
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Mon Dec 15 20:35:02 2014
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 20:35:02 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund
	Drive)	Invitation
In-Reply-To: <CAFa8NkhogZUXgyyx9rSfn=qig_cZ7=mJwdZ_Wp-mzCMg_aqOCw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACF22RC3KWdEkmLp1h8C0yTCgAAAEAAAAPVIqBAnvAFGh9CslBQZI+UBAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>	<201412151841.sBFIfGAi021073@databaseadvisors.com>	<001f01d0189d$0de1ac50$29a504f0$@winhaven.net>	<1418680800958.62758@cactus.dk>
	<CAFa8NkhogZUXgyyx9rSfn=qig_cZ7=mJwdZ_Wp-mzCMg_aqOCw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <016701d018d8$e5554e40$afffeac0$@winhaven.net>

Oh man Doug! Now that made me laugh!

Thanks, I needed that.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 7:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund Drive)
Invitation

I made a donation for myself, and another donation in memory of the
Septavsaurus

Doug

On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> OK. Done.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R 
> Bartow
> Sent: December-15-14 12:07 PM
> To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund 
> Drive)Invitation
> Importance: High
>
> Hi All!
>
> You're all invited to a Holiday Party!
>
> We're having a funding drive to keep these lists running. For the last 
> year we've been running due to one person paying for the list costs. 
> This has to end. If we get enough, they'll keep going. If we don't 
> they'll just shut down some day and eventually you'll wonder why 
> you're "not getting any email from the list lately".
>
> So pretend you're out at a holiday party with DBA and buy it a couple 
> of craft brews or snifters, as that's all it'll take if everyone joins 
> the party. Rest assured, DBA can handle as many drinks as it gets. And 
> in any case, it'll take a taxi home.
>
> You can donate at:
>
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com/donations/donor.asp
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Your DBA Holiday Party Committee
> --
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Mon Dec 15 16:20:39 2014
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 16:20:39 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday
	Party(FundDrive)Invitation
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met8sVu167v4riagz3G6Jh6MUOQv67dud7ZWZL=xFkJ_q5g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201412152220.sBFMKiah021748@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey Charlotte
Made me laugh, that is the best medicine.

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: December-15-14 3:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday
Party(FundDrive)Invitation

Nosy parker!  I have, in fact donated, but I don't have to tell you how
much!  [?]  Want to fight on the playground???

Charlotte

On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:
>
> Hey Charlotte
> Touchee!
> How much have you donated????
>
> Tony Septav
> Nanaimo, BC
> Canada
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: December-15-14 12:51 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party
> (FundDrive)Invitation
>
> Donate or don't donate, Tony.  No use is beating a dead dinosaur after all
> . ;-)
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hey John
> > There is nothing more I would like to do than to contribute, but let us
> be
> > honest.  I just see this list as becoming a dinosaur. I am so sad to say
> > this as I have been a member with Mr. Colby since the early early
> nineties.
> > I have seen the ups and downs, the postives and the negatives. The
people
> > that populate this list are extraordinary. After all these years I seen
> so
> > many individuals willing to provide their knowledge and expertize to
> anyone
> > asking a question and providing alternative answers. But hey the time
has
> > come.....................
> >
> > Tony Septav
> > Nanaimo, BC
> > Canada
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow
> > Sent: December-15-14 12:07 PM
> > To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund
> > Drive)Invitation
> > Importance: High
> >
> > Hi All!
> >
> > You're all invited to a Holiday Party!
> >
> >
> >
> > We're having a funding drive to keep these lists running. For the last
> year
> > we've been running due to one person paying for the list costs. This has
> to
> > end. If we get enough, they'll keep going. If we don't they'll just shut
> > down some day and eventually you'll wonder why you're "not getting any
> > email
> > from the list lately".
> >
> >
> >
> > So pretend you're out at a holiday party with DBA and buy it a couple of
> > craft brews or snifters, as that's all it'll take if everyone joins the
> > party. Rest assured, DBA can handle as many drinks as it gets. And in
any
> > case, it'll take a taxi home.
> >
> >
> >
> > You can donate at:
> >
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com/donations/donor.asp
> >
> >
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Your DBA Holiday Party Committee
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Mon Dec 15 21:11:25 2014
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 21:11:25 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund
	Drive)Invitation
In-Reply-To: <CAFa8NkhogZUXgyyx9rSfn=qig_cZ7=mJwdZ_Wp-mzCMg_aqOCw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201412160311.sBG3BUuH022252@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey Doug
Ha ha ha. Make mock if you wish.
But hey no offense taken, if we cannnot laugh at each other then what do we
have left. But beware you will be on my radar.

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: December-15-14 7:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund
Drive)Invitation

I made a donation for myself, and another donation in memory of the
Septavsaurus

Doug

On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> OK. Done.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow
> Sent: December-15-14 12:07 PM
> To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund
> Drive)Invitation
> Importance: High
>
> Hi All!
>
> You're all invited to a Holiday Party!
>
> We're having a funding drive to keep these lists running. For the last
year
> we've been running due to one person paying for the list costs. This has
to
> end. If we get enough, they'll keep going. If we don't they'll just shut
> down some day and eventually you'll wonder why you're "not getting any
> email
> from the list lately".
>
> So pretend you're out at a holiday party with DBA and buy it a couple of
> craft brews or snifters, as that's all it'll take if everyone joins the
> party. Rest assured, DBA can handle as many drinks as it gets. And in any
> case, it'll take a taxi home.
>
> You can donate at:
>
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com/donations/donor.asp
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Your DBA Holiday Party Committee
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From jm.hwsn at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 07:46:47 2014
From: jm.hwsn at gmail.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 07:46:47 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund
	Drive)Invitation
In-Reply-To: <201412160311.sBG3BUuH022252@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <CAFa8NkhogZUXgyyx9rSfn=qig_cZ7=mJwdZ_Wp-mzCMg_aqOCw@mail.gmail.com>
	<201412160311.sBG3BUuH022252@databaseadvisors.com>
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I'm usually a spectator to this forum... but I donated because I would miss
it.
Thanks,
Jim

On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 9:11 PM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:
>
> Hey Doug
> Ha ha ha. Make mock if you wish.
> But hey no offense taken, if we cannnot laugh at each other then what do we
> have left. But beware you will be on my radar.
>
> Tony Septav
> Nanaimo, BC
> Canada
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
> Sent: December-15-14 7:02 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund
> Drive)Invitation
>
> I made a donation for myself, and another donation in memory of the
> Septavsaurus
>
> Doug
>
> On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> >
> > OK. Done.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow
> > Sent: December-15-14 12:07 PM
> > To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund
> > Drive)Invitation
> > Importance: High
> >
> > Hi All!
> >
> > You're all invited to a Holiday Party!
> >
> > We're having a funding drive to keep these lists running. For the last
> year
> > we've been running due to one person paying for the list costs. This has
> to
> > end. If we get enough, they'll keep going. If we don't they'll just shut
> > down some day and eventually you'll wonder why you're "not getting any
> > email
> > from the list lately".
> >
> > So pretend you're out at a holiday party with DBA and buy it a couple of
> > craft brews or snifters, as that's all it'll take if everyone joins the
> > party. Rest assured, DBA can handle as many drinks as it gets. And in any
> > case, it'll take a taxi home.
> >
> > You can donate at:
> >
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com/donations/donor.asp
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Your DBA Holiday Party Committee
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From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Tue Dec 16 15:02:08 2014
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 15:02:08 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund
	Drive)Invitation
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACF22RC3KWdEkmLp1h8C0yTCgAAAEAAAAPVIqBAnvAFGh9CslBQZI+UBAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <201412162102.sBGL2D4G023694@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey All
I guess I will have to play and sing a little longer to make my contribution
to the list. Gosh it gets cold out here.
Doug had a good idea. I am starting the "Save the Septavsaurus fund". Any
contributions would be muchly appreciated.

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow
Sent: December-15-14 12:07 PM
To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund
Drive)Invitation
Importance: High

Hi All!

You're all invited to a Holiday Party!

 

We're having a funding drive to keep these lists running. For the last year
we've been running due to one person paying for the list costs. This has to
end. If we get enough, they'll keep going. If we don't they'll just shut
down some day and eventually you'll wonder why you're "not getting any email
from the list lately". 

 

So pretend you're out at a holiday party with DBA and buy it a couple of
craft brews or snifters, as that's all it'll take if everyone joins the
party. Rest assured, DBA can handle as many drinks as it gets. And in any
case, it'll take a taxi home.

 

You can donate at:

http://www.databaseadvisors.com/donations/donor.asp

 

Sincerely,

Your DBA Holiday Party Committee

 

 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Dec 16 20:14:28 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 19:14:28 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund
	Drive)	Invitation
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACF22RC3KWdEkmLp1h8C0yTCgAAAEAAAAPVIqBAnvAFGh9CslBQZI+UBAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <46991915.73791508.1418782468416.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Not a lot but things are a little tight at Christmas...January on looks good though.
(Deflating oil prices are not only affecting Russia...)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 10:06:42 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund Drive)	Invitation

Hi All!

You're all invited to a Holiday Party!

 

We're having a funding drive to keep these lists running. For the last year
we've been running due to one person paying for the list costs. This has to
end. If we get enough, they'll keep going. If we don't they'll just shut
down some day and eventually you'll wonder why you're "not getting any email
from the list lately". 

 

So pretend you're out at a holiday party with DBA and buy it a couple of
craft brews or snifters, as that's all it'll take if everyone joins the
party. Rest assured, DBA can handle as many drinks as it gets. And in any
case, it'll take a taxi home.

 

You can donate at:

http://www.databaseadvisors.com/donations/donor.asp

 

Sincerely,

Your DBA Holiday Party Committee

 

 

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Dec 18 12:59:11 2014
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 10:59:11 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Name of label associated with a text box
Message-ID: <46296CCFDE0F439FA17B6F9B61D400D1@HAL9007>

Dear List:
 
I need to get the name of the label associated with a text box or combo box.
I can get the name of the control no problem using
Screen.ActiveControl.Name.  Is there a way then to get the name of the label
attached to that control?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Dec 18 13:18:15 2014
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 11:18:15 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Name of label associated with a text box
In-Reply-To: <46296CCFDE0F439FA17B6F9B61D400D1@HAL9007>
References: <46296CCFDE0F439FA17B6F9B61D400D1@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <7D7AF1FD2E4F4C1894803C7954A6265C@HAL9007>

Why AccessD has less activity?  I found the answer on the web:

Dim ctl as Control

Set ctl = Me(gstrActiveControl)
 
Associated label name is in ctl.Controls(0).Name

Rocky

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 10:59 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Name of label associated with a text box

Dear List:
 
I need to get the name of the label associated with a text box or combo box.
I can get the name of the control no problem using
Screen.ActiveControl.Name.  Is there a way then to get the name of the label
attached to that control?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Thu Dec 18 14:54:28 2014
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 20:54:28 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Name of label associated with a text box
In-Reply-To: <7D7AF1FD2E4F4C1894803C7954A6265C@HAL9007>
References: <46296CCFDE0F439FA17B6F9B61D400D1@HAL9007>
	<7D7AF1FD2E4F4C1894803C7954A6265C@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA80FB34C@PWGSMSLIVMBS04.mail.aig.net>

Google rules. :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 2:18 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Name of label associated with a text box

Why AccessD has less activity?  I found the answer on the web:

Dim ctl as Control

Set ctl = Me(gstrActiveControl)
 
Associated label name is in ctl.Controls(0).Name

Rocky

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 10:59 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Name of label associated with a text box

Dear List:
 
I need to get the name of the label associated with a text box or combo box.
I can get the name of the control no problem using Screen.ActiveControl.Name.  Is there a way then to get the name of the label attached to that control?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Dec 18 15:30:52 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 21:30:52 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Name of label associated with a text box
In-Reply-To: <D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA80FB34C@PWGSMSLIVMBS04.mail.aig.net>
References: <46296CCFDE0F439FA17B6F9B61D400D1@HAL9007>
	<7D7AF1FD2E4F4C1894803C7954A6265C@HAL9007>,
	<D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA80FB34C@PWGSMSLIVMBS04.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <1418938252363.99990@cactus.dk>

And some of us are from time to time busy with real work ...

/gustav

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Sendt: 18. december 2014 21:54
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Name of label associated with a text box

Google rules. :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 2:18 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Name of label associated with a text box

Why AccessD has less activity?  I found the answer on the web:

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Dec 18 16:28:22 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 17:28:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Name of label associated with a text box
In-Reply-To: <46296CCFDE0F439FA17B6F9B61D400D1@HAL9007>
References: <46296CCFDE0F439FA17B6F9B61D400D1@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+e0FEjOu8ngoi9viwf3q=EfuemGT8MTB3jUtd68YxZYUw@mail.gmail.com>

Programmatically you mean? I mean, you can always select it and find it in
the Property Sheet. But typically, unless you rename it, it will use the
same name as its corresponding control...

Name
Name_Label

Susan H.

On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
>
> Dear List:
>
> I need to get the name of the label associated with a text box or combo
> box.
> I can get the name of the control no problem using
> Screen.ActiveControl.Name.  Is there a way then to get the name of the
> label
> attached to that control?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/>
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Dec 18 17:03:13 2014
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 23:03:13 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Name of label associated with a text box
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+e0FEjOu8ngoi9viwf3q=EfuemGT8MTB3jUtd68YxZYUw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <46296CCFDE0F439FA17B6F9B61D400D1@HAL9007>
	<CA++Sg+e0FEjOu8ngoi9viwf3q=EfuemGT8MTB3jUtd68YxZYUw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <HKXPR04MB360685EEFAAA3926859C772FC6A0@HKXPR04MB360.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

As point I always rename the default choice, if only slightly.  I find this prevents SNAFU's when debugging et al .

ctlMyName
lblMyName
txtMyName.

You get the idea.

Cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, 19 December 2014 9:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Name of label associated with a text box

Programmatically you mean? I mean, you can always select it and find it in the Property Sheet. But typically, unless you rename it, it will use the same name as its corresponding control...

Name
Name_Label

Susan H.

On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
>
> Dear List:
>
> I need to get the name of the label associated with a text box or 
> combo box.
> I can get the name of the control no problem using 
> Screen.ActiveControl.Name.  Is there a way then to get the name of the 
> label attached to that control?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com 
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
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From dmart06 at emory.edu  Fri Dec 19 11:42:45 2014
From: dmart06 at emory.edu (Martin, Donna M)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 17:42:45 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Automate import of csv data, change datatype, field names,
	etc
Message-ID: <C67F7B559C72AE4EBBB81C8F72975335012CE75152@E14MBX13N.Enterprise.emory.net>

Good afternoon, all!

It's been a very long time since I have posted here, and am a bit rusty on my Access programming, and would be extremely grateful for any suggestions you may have.  In a nutshell, I need to automate-as much as possible--a procedure for research interns/postdocs.  This procedure will be run anywhere from 1-5 times a week, so it's worth a little thought as to how to make it happen for them.  Here's what needs to happen:

*         Import raw data from a csv file into a table

o   Ask for the begin date of import (Not req'd, but would be nice)

*         Change some of the field names

*         Change two datatypes

*         Add filtering criteria

*         Trim leading characters from one field

At this point, the table does not have a PK.  Once the table has been QC'd, the data will then be appended to a second FINAL table where an autonumber will be added.

I'm way out of my comfort zone here, and am wondering if you can give me any thoughts on this...or should I just throw in the towel now and leave town?

Again, any help will be much appreciated!
Thanks.
Donna





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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Dec 19 11:49:56 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 12:49:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Automate import of csv data, change datatype,
 field names, etc
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+dpfzXWa78t+HpgvffGhZ06Fht6f3EmYsmGDzkqHEba7A@mail.gmail.com>

Just a few questions that might help hone the responses.


> It's been a very long time since I have posted here, and am a bit rusty on
> my Access programming, and would be extremely grateful for any suggestions
> you may have.  In a nutshell, I need to automate-as much as possible--a
> procedure for research interns/postdocs.  This procedure will be run
> anywhere from 1-5 times a week, so it's worth a little thought as to how to
> make it happen for them.  Here's what needs to happen:
>
> *         Import raw data from a csv file into a table
>
> o   Ask for the begin date of import (Not req'd, but would be nice)
>
> *         Change some of the field names
>

========Will it always be the same fields or do you need something more
flexible?

>
> *         Change two datatypes
>

========Same question as above.



> Susan H.

From dmart06 at emory.edu  Fri Dec 19 11:56:18 2014
From: dmart06 at emory.edu (Martin, Donna M)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 17:56:18 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Automate import of csv data, change datatype,
 field names, etc
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+dpfzXWa78t+HpgvffGhZ06Fht6f3EmYsmGDzkqHEba7A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+dpfzXWa78t+HpgvffGhZ06Fht6f3EmYsmGDzkqHEba7A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C67F7B559C72AE4EBBB81C8F72975335012CE75212@E14MBX13N.Enterprise.emory.net>

VERY good questions, Susan, and I should have specified...See below:



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 12:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automate import of csv data, change datatype, field names, etc



Just a few questions that might help hone the responses.





> It's been a very long time since I have posted here, and am a bit

> rusty on my Access programming, and would be extremely grateful for

> any suggestions you may have.  In a nutshell, I need to automate-as

> much as possible--a procedure for research interns/postdocs.  This

> procedure will be run anywhere from 1-5 times a week, so it's worth a

> little thought as to how to make it happen for them.  Here's what needs to happen:

>

> *         Import raw data from a csv file into a table

>

> o   Ask for the begin date of import (Not req'd, but would be nice)

>

> *         Change some of the field names

>



========Will it always be the same fields or do you need something more flexible?  ALWAYS THE SAME FIELDS



>

> *         Change two datatypes

>



========Same question as above.  ALWAYS THE SAME DATATYPE CHANGES







> Susan H.

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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Fri Dec 19 13:49:19 2014
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 13:49:19 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - We've added a new list that you may wish
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Hi All,

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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Sun Dec 21 13:59:53 2014
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 11:59:53 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Data Dictionary
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_q28xNBztUjP9DnwjW14Ya1S5i283RjFs67PMTLzBCcg@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone built a DD tool in Access that would save me reinventing the
wheet?

Charlotte

From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Sun Dec 21 14:23:28 2014
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 15:23:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Data Dictionary
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met_q28xNBztUjP9DnwjW14Ya1S5i283RjFs67PMTLzBCcg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH+Met_q28xNBztUjP9DnwjW14Ya1S5i283RjFs67PMTLzBCcg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAtRjLFTmFwYChD92qmdXeTb3fPDf7XT9gGdL=kQL-gRLg@mail.gmail.com>

Charlotte,

Last one I heard of was from Crystal et al
http://www.accessmvp.com/strive4peace/Analyzer.htm
Good luck.

On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 2:59 PM, Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Has anyone built a DD tool in Access that would save me reinventing the
> wheet?
>
> Charlotte
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Sun Dec 21 18:27:24 2014
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 16:27:24 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Data Dictionary
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAtRjLFTmFwYChD92qmdXeTb3fPDf7XT9gGdL=kQL-gRLg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH+Met_q28xNBztUjP9DnwjW14Ya1S5i283RjFs67PMTLzBCcg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKvidAtRjLFTmFwYChD92qmdXeTb3fPDf7XT9gGdL=kQL-gRLg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_1GpH3vREhiW+dgi4SYTui2r5NAUHVVWeDoVfgyjyGfg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Jack. I'm familiar with Crystal's tools.  I had a somewhat
different approach in mind.  I want to create an inventory of objects in
the database, along with information about who created them and when, what
their purpose is, etc.   Higher level approach than what most tools take
without the voluminous reporting.

Charlotte

On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 12:23 PM, jack drawbridge <jackandpat.d at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Charlotte,
>
> Last one I heard of was from Crystal et al
> http://www.accessmvp.com/strive4peace/Analyzer.htm
> Good luck.
>
> On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 2:59 PM, Charlotte Foust <
> charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone built a DD tool in Access that would save me reinventing the
> > wheet?
> >
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Tue Dec 23 17:04:32 2014
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 18:04:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] This seems to get me often
Message-ID: <5499F500.10701@torchlake.com>

Hi,

I do keep having this sort of problem to solve.  An example would be 
that a donor could be an individual or an organization.  So, a donation 
record might have an individual ID as an FK or it might have an 
organization ID as an FK.  I'm uncomfortable with setting up a table 
where one of two FKs will be blank.  Another example would be that a 
client of a law firm could be an individual or an organization.  Another 
example would be that a telephone could be associated with an 
individual, or a household, or an organization. What is the logical way 
to handle these?  What am I not seeing?

Thanks for your guidance.

TNF

-- 
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tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Dec 23 17:15:06 2014
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 15:15:06 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] This seems to get me often
In-Reply-To: <5499F500.10701@torchlake.com>
References: <5499F500.10701@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <056400BD6BE14FDCB3ACD2D4E737A3D3@HAL9007>

I make the individual table your primary table with all the contact info,
etc.  And a field which would be an FK to the Organization table.  That way
many individuals could belong to an organization.  For the donation record
I'd put two FKs, one to the individual, one to the organization.  

hth

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 3:05 PM
To: DatabaseAdvisors-Access
Subject: [AccessD] This seems to get me often

Hi,

I do keep having this sort of problem to solve.  An example would be that a
donor could be an individual or an organization.  So, a donation record
might have an individual ID as an FK or it might have an organization ID as
an FK.  I'm uncomfortable with setting up a table where one of two FKs will
be blank.  Another example would be that a client of a law firm could be an
individual or an organization.  Another example would be that a telephone
could be associated with an individual, or a household, or an organization.
What is the logical way to handle these?  What am I not seeing?

Thanks for your guidance.

TNF

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tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Tue Dec 23 18:10:52 2014
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 19:10:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] This seems to get me often
In-Reply-To: <056400BD6BE14FDCB3ACD2D4E737A3D3@HAL9007>
References: <5499F500.10701@torchlake.com>
	<056400BD6BE14FDCB3ACD2D4E737A3D3@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <549A048C.5070403@torchlake.com>

Yes, that's what I've done.  What's troubling me is that not every 
donation will have both FKs filled - as when the donor is just an 
individual, not associated with an organization on record.  something 
feels wrong (not normalized) about that setup, but I don't see how to 
normalize it.

Would you use the same principle for other similar setups, such as the 
different associations for phones?  For instance, the household has a 
land line, and the several members of the household carry cell phones.  
The table of phone numbers will have an identifier for the type of phone 
and an FK for either the household or the individual.

Thanks for your ideas.

TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 12/23/2014 6:15 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> I make the individual table your primary table with all the contact info,
> etc.  And a field which would be an FK to the Organization table.  That way
> many individuals could belong to an organization.  For the donation record
> I'd put two FKs, one to the individual, one to the organization.
>
> hth
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> Fields
> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 3:05 PM
> To: DatabaseAdvisors-Access
> Subject: [AccessD] This seems to get me often
>
> Hi,
>
> I do keep having this sort of problem to solve.  An example would be that a
> donor could be an individual or an organization.  So, a donation record
> might have an individual ID as an FK or it might have an organization ID as
> an FK.  I'm uncomfortable with setting up a table where one of two FKs will
> be blank.  Another example would be that a client of a law firm could be an
> individual or an organization.  Another example would be that a telephone
> could be associated with an individual, or a household, or an organization.
> What is the logical way to handle these?  What am I not seeing?
>
> Thanks for your guidance.
>
> TNF
>
> --
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Tue Dec 23 18:13:04 2014
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 18:13:04 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] This seems to get me often
In-Reply-To: <5499F500.10701@torchlake.com>
References: <5499F500.10701@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <01b401d01f0e$63462910$29d27b30$@winhaven.net>

Tina,
IIRC it was Arthur F. who posted a unique solution to this issue many years
ago. It had something to with one table holding both people and
organizations and having a FK to a lookup that defined which they were.
There was also a M2M table that allowed individuals in the main table to be
linked to organizations in the same table and vice versa.

I forget all the details but I thought it was brilliant solution to a common
problem. The issues it would have solved for me were numerous. Unfortunately
the app I was thinking it would help with was too involved to change the BE
structure that much anymore. (I had gone down the Org PK < FK > ClientOrg <
FK > Client PK structure route.)

ARTHUR! Help me out here :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 5:05 PM
To: DatabaseAdvisors-Access
Subject: [AccessD] This seems to get me often

Hi,

I do keep having this sort of problem to solve.  An example would be that a
donor could be an individual or an organization.  So, a donation record
might have an individual ID as an FK or it might have an organization ID as
an FK.  I'm uncomfortable with setting up a table where one of two FKs will
be blank.  Another example would be that a client of a law firm could be an
individual or an organization.  Another example would be that a telephone
could be associated with an individual, or a household, or an organization.
What is the logical way to handle these?  What am I not seeing?

Thanks for your guidance.

TNF

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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Tue Dec 23 18:23:31 2014
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 16:23:31 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] This seems to get me often
In-Reply-To: <01b401d01f0e$63462910$29d27b30$@winhaven.net>
References: <5499F500.10701@torchlake.com>
	<01b401d01f0e$63462910$29d27b30$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met8+1TBbN67W5HAsqz+e3ujEpEFj3Wi+kyQHPG0mTXy_OQ@mail.gmail.com>

I don't answer to Arthur, but yes he did.  I've done it before myself.
Have a table of contacts that contains a FK to a company table.  the
donation table would have a foreign key for donor which could be either
company or contact and another field in donors to tell you which kind of
donation it is.

Charlotte

On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 4:13 PM, John R Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net> wrote:

> Tina,
> IIRC it was Arthur F. who posted a unique solution to this issue many years
> ago. It had something to with one table holding both people and
> organizations and having a FK to a lookup that defined which they were.
> There was also a M2M table that allowed individuals in the main table to be
> linked to organizations in the same table and vice versa.
>
> I forget all the details but I thought it was brilliant solution to a
> common
> problem. The issues it would have solved for me were numerous.
> Unfortunately
> the app I was thinking it would help with was too involved to change the BE
> structure that much anymore. (I had gone down the Org PK < FK > ClientOrg <
> FK > Client PK structure route.)
>
> ARTHUR! Help me out here :-)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> Fields
> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 5:05 PM
> To: DatabaseAdvisors-Access
> Subject: [AccessD] This seems to get me often
>
> Hi,
>
> I do keep having this sort of problem to solve.  An example would be that a
> donor could be an individual or an organization.  So, a donation record
> might have an individual ID as an FK or it might have an organization ID as
> an FK.  I'm uncomfortable with setting up a table where one of two FKs will
> be blank.  Another example would be that a client of a law firm could be an
> individual or an organization.  Another example would be that a telephone
> could be associated with an individual, or a household, or an organization.
> What is the logical way to handle these?  What am I not seeing?
>
> Thanks for your guidance.
>
> TNF
>
> --
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Dec 23 18:32:14 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 19:32:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] This seems to get me often
In-Reply-To: <549A048C.5070403@torchlake.com>
References: <5499F500.10701@torchlake.com>
	<056400BD6BE14FDCB3ACD2D4E737A3D3@HAL9007>
	<549A048C.5070403@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+eRz7iiFbjQBE6KwF1ox01fmrYTq+QoWAezV7Nj9WXopA@mail.gmail.com>

Is there anyway to have orgs and individuals in the same table?

Susan H.

On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 7:10 PM, Tina Norris Fields <
tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:

> Yes, that's what I've done.  What's troubling me is that not every
> donation will have both FKs filled - as when the donor is just an
> individual, not associated with an organization on record.  something feels
> wrong (not normalized) about that setup, but I don't see how to normalize
> it.
>
> Would you use the same principle for other similar setups, such as the
> different associations for phones?  For instance, the household has a land
> line, and the several members of the household carry cell phones.  The
> table of phone numbers will have an identifier for the type of phone and an
> FK for either the household or the individual.
>
> Thanks for your ideas.
>
> TNF
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
> On 12/23/2014 6:15 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>
>> I make the individual table your primary table with all the contact info,
>> etc.  And a field which would be an FK to the Organization table.  That
>> way
>> many individuals could belong to an organization.  For the donation record
>> I'd put two FKs, one to the individual, one to the organization.
>>
>> hth
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
>> Fields
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 3:05 PM
>> To: DatabaseAdvisors-Access
>> Subject: [AccessD] This seems to get me often
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I do keep having this sort of problem to solve.  An example would be that
>> a
>> donor could be an individual or an organization.  So, a donation record
>> might have an individual ID as an FK or it might have an organization ID
>> as
>> an FK.  I'm uncomfortable with setting up a table where one of two FKs
>> will
>> be blank.  Another example would be that a client of a law firm could be
>> an
>> individual or an organization.  Another example would be that a telephone
>> could be associated with an individual, or a household, or an
>> organization.
>> What is the logical way to handle these?  What am I not seeing?
>>
>> Thanks for your guidance.
>>
>> TNF
>>
>> --
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
>> --
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Tue Dec 23 18:36:09 2014
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 16:36:09 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] This seems to get me often
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+eRz7iiFbjQBE6KwF1ox01fmrYTq+QoWAezV7Nj9WXopA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5499F500.10701@torchlake.com>
	<056400BD6BE14FDCB3ACD2D4E737A3D3@HAL9007>
	<549A048C.5070403@torchlake.com>
	<CA++Sg+eRz7iiFbjQBE6KwF1ox01fmrYTq+QoWAezV7Nj9WXopA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met86LaFiMJ06L+yKA4PzcNedQxzzrs+NHBbwsiwVdyC=nw@mail.gmail.com>

?Not without denormalizing the table.

Charlotte?

On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:

> Is there anyway to have orgs and individuals in the same table?
>
> Susan H.
>
> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 7:10 PM, Tina Norris Fields <
> tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>
> > Yes, that's what I've done.  What's troubling me is that not every
> > donation will have both FKs filled - as when the donor is just an
> > individual, not associated with an organization on record.  something
> feels
> > wrong (not normalized) about that setup, but I don't see how to normalize
> > it.
> >
> > Would you use the same principle for other similar setups, such as the
> > different associations for phones?  For instance, the household has a
> land
> > line, and the several members of the household carry cell phones.  The
> > table of phone numbers will have an identifier for the type of phone and
> an
> > FK for either the household or the individual.
> >
> > Thanks for your ideas.
> >
> > TNF
> >
> > Tina Norris Fields
> > tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> > 231-322-2787
> >
> > On 12/23/2014 6:15 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> >
> >> I make the individual table your primary table with all the contact
> info,
> >> etc.  And a field which would be an FK to the Organization table.  That
> >> way
> >> many individuals could belong to an organization.  For the donation
> record
> >> I'd put two FKs, one to the individual, one to the organization.
> >>
> >> hth
> >>
> >> Rocky
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> >> Fields
> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 3:05 PM
> >> To: DatabaseAdvisors-Access
> >> Subject: [AccessD] This seems to get me often
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I do keep having this sort of problem to solve.  An example would be
> that
> >> a
> >> donor could be an individual or an organization.  So, a donation record
> >> might have an individual ID as an FK or it might have an organization ID
> >> as
> >> an FK.  I'm uncomfortable with setting up a table where one of two FKs
> >> will
> >> be blank.  Another example would be that a client of a law firm could be
> >> an
> >> individual or an organization.  Another example would be that a
> telephone
> >> could be associated with an individual, or a household, or an
> >> organization.
> >> What is the logical way to handle these?  What am I not seeing?
> >>
> >> Thanks for your guidance.
> >>
> >> TNF
> >>
> >> --
> >> Tina Norris Fields
> >> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> >> 231-322-2787
> >>
> >> --
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Dec 23 18:48:24 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 19:48:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] This seems to get me often
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+fbdCLBW03HqQjL1JEnUVRBjcu1xpV=mYKMwrzibXrjeg@mail.gmail.com>

A donor can be an individual or an organization -- they're all donors.
Donor is the entity, the name and type of donor all belong to donor. Right?

Susan H.

On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 7:36 PM, Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
wrote:

> ?Not without denormalizing the table.
>
> Charlotte?
>
> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Is there anyway to have orgs and individuals in the same table?
>
>

From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Tue Dec 23 18:51:30 2014
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 19:51:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] This seems to get me often
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met8+1TBbN67W5HAsqz+e3ujEpEFj3Wi+kyQHPG0mTXy_OQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5499F500.10701@torchlake.com>
	<01b401d01f0e$63462910$29d27b30$@winhaven.net>
	<CAH+Met8+1TBbN67W5HAsqz+e3ujEpEFj3Wi+kyQHPG0mTXy_OQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAtw3=oibaz5L8ZA=02G6rNoVOsSTZPj-Ar3VRAKOg0KEg@mail.gmail.com>

Tina,

I think the topic is supertype/subtype. (generalization/specialization)
There is an article here.
http://sqlmag.com/t-sql/sql-design-supertypes-and-subtypes

There is a lot of talk/articles (a lot related to MSSQL), but not many
sample
databases.
Good luck.

On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 7:23 PM, Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I don't answer to Arthur, but yes he did.  I've done it before myself.
> Have a table of contacts that contains a FK to a company table.  the
> donation table would have a foreign key for donor which could be either
> company or contact and another field in donors to tell you which kind of
> donation it is.
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 4:13 PM, John R Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Tina,
> > IIRC it was Arthur F. who posted a unique solution to this issue many
> years
> > ago. It had something to with one table holding both people and
> > organizations and having a FK to a lookup that defined which they were.
> > There was also a M2M table that allowed individuals in the main table to
> be
> > linked to organizations in the same table and vice versa.
> >
> > I forget all the details but I thought it was brilliant solution to a
> > common
> > problem. The issues it would have solved for me were numerous.
> > Unfortunately
> > the app I was thinking it would help with was too involved to change the
> BE
> > structure that much anymore. (I had gone down the Org PK < FK >
> ClientOrg <
> > FK > Client PK structure route.)
> >
> > ARTHUR! Help me out here :-)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> > Fields
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 5:05 PM
> > To: DatabaseAdvisors-Access
> > Subject: [AccessD] This seems to get me often
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I do keep having this sort of problem to solve.  An example would be
> that a
> > donor could be an individual or an organization.  So, a donation record
> > might have an individual ID as an FK or it might have an organization ID
> as
> > an FK.  I'm uncomfortable with setting up a table where one of two FKs
> will
> > be blank.  Another example would be that a client of a law firm could be
> an
> > individual or an organization.  Another example would be that a telephone
> > could be associated with an individual, or a household, or an
> organization.
> > What is the logical way to handle these?  What am I not seeing?
> >
> > Thanks for your guidance.
> >
> > TNF
> >
> > --
> > Tina Norris Fields
> > tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> > 231-322-2787
> >
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Tue Dec 23 19:02:21 2014
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 17:02:21 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] This seems to get me often
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+fbdCLBW03HqQjL1JEnUVRBjcu1xpV=mYKMwrzibXrjeg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+fbdCLBW03HqQjL1JEnUVRBjcu1xpV=mYKMwrzibXrjeg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met-F1THat_UYX6MpKA0EKsWgwuWABgh3gBnD_=KpfTO-tQ@mail.gmail.com>

The donation table contains donation, amount, date, donorID, perhaps type
of donation (i.e. pledge, lump sum, in kind, etc.).  You have a persons
table that includes a field for companyID because you probably want to
address any thank yous to that person's attention at their company, if
any.  The Company table is just that, companies.  It may have multiple
addresses so those are linked to the persons table.  If you put contacts
into the company table, you will either wind up overwriting the contacts
for future donations, or you'll have duplicates of the company for
different contacts.  The persons and companies table have addresses in an
Address table whose PK is inserted as an FK in the appropriate table.  Does
that seem any clearer?


Charlotte

On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:

> A donor can be an individual or an organization -- they're all donors.
> Donor is the entity, the name and type of donor all belong to donor. Right?
>
> Susan H.
>
> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 7:36 PM, Charlotte Foust <
> charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > ?Not without denormalizing the table.
> >
> > Charlotte?
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Is there anyway to have orgs and individuals in the same table?
> >
> >
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Dec 23 19:16:07 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 20:16:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] This seems to get me often
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAtw3=oibaz5L8ZA=02G6rNoVOsSTZPj-Ar3VRAKOg0KEg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5499F500.10701@torchlake.com>
	<01b401d01f0e$63462910$29d27b30$@winhaven.net>
	<CAH+Met8+1TBbN67W5HAsqz+e3ujEpEFj3Wi+kyQHPG0mTXy_OQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKvidAtw3=oibaz5L8ZA=02G6rNoVOsSTZPj-Ar3VRAKOg0KEg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jAWb-uw3a39uhvC8zBhMdfFT0KHSpE5p0GT-0JEMOwtA@mail.gmail.com>

Wow, thanks for the memories, John. It's been a while since I walked this
avenue, but I shall try again. Orgs and People are different entitities.
Granted, an org can possibly donate on behalf of itself, but you do not
want to put them (orgs and people) into one table, IMO. Which complicates
the lookup, I recognize that, but we must plod on. We could put them all
into a single table and have a flag that distinguished orgs from people,
and then have queries that respect said flag and behave accordingly. Some
orgs are principally identified with persons (the Bill Gates foundation for
example) but many are not. Then the question becomes, to whom am I
addressing this communique? To a person associated with Org #123 or to the
Org in general? My take on this is that there is always at least one person
who represents the Org of interest. IOW, there is an Org table which may
have one+ Persons associated with it. That's the safest way to go.

Arthur

On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 7:51 PM, jack drawbridge <jackandpat.d at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Tina,
>
> I think the topic is supertype/subtype. (generalization/specialization)
> There is an article here.
> http://sqlmag.com/t-sql/sql-design-supertypes-and-subtypes
>
> There is a lot of talk/articles (a lot related to MSSQL), but not many
> sample
> databases.
> Good luck.
>
> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 7:23 PM, Charlotte Foust <
> charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I don't answer to Arthur, but yes he did.  I've done it before myself.
> > Have a table of contacts that contains a FK to a company table.  the
> > donation table would have a foreign key for donor which could be either
> > company or contact and another field in donors to tell you which kind of
> > donation it is.
> >
> > Charlotte
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 4:13 PM, John R Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Tina,
> > > IIRC it was Arthur F. who posted a unique solution to this issue many
> > years
> > > ago. It had something to with one table holding both people and
> > > organizations and having a FK to a lookup that defined which they were.
> > > There was also a M2M table that allowed individuals in the main table
> to
> > be
> > > linked to organizations in the same table and vice versa.
> > >
> > > I forget all the details but I thought it was brilliant solution to a
> > > common
> > > problem. The issues it would have solved for me were numerous.
> > > Unfortunately
> > > the app I was thinking it would help with was too involved to change
> the
> > BE
> > > structure that much anymore. (I had gone down the Org PK < FK >
> > ClientOrg <
> > > FK > Client PK structure route.)
> > >
> > > ARTHUR! Help me out here :-)
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> > > Fields
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 5:05 PM
> > > To: DatabaseAdvisors-Access
> > > Subject: [AccessD] This seems to get me often
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I do keep having this sort of problem to solve.  An example would be
> > that a
> > > donor could be an individual or an organization.  So, a donation record
> > > might have an individual ID as an FK or it might have an organization
> ID
> > as
> > > an FK.  I'm uncomfortable with setting up a table where one of two FKs
> > will
> > > be blank.  Another example would be that a client of a law firm could
> be
> > an
> > > individual or an organization.  Another example would be that a
> telephone
> > > could be associated with an individual, or a household, or an
> > organization.
> > > What is the logical way to handle these?  What am I not seeing?
> > >
> > > Thanks for your guidance.
> > >
> > > TNF
> > >
> > > --
> > > Tina Norris Fields
> > > tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> > > 231-322-2787
> > >
> > > --
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Dec 23 19:36:08 2014
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 19:36:08 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] This seems to get me often
In-Reply-To: <549A048C.5070403@torchlake.com>
References: <5499F500.10701@torchlake.com>
	<056400BD6BE14FDCB3ACD2D4E737A3D3@HAL9007>
	<549A048C.5070403@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pJ+Z27oWH2g2_HfE-xprerZq_AJ4cmkZaT=HnvQ07X0wg@mail.gmail.com>

In the data warehouse world.... we set up a key value of -1 and store
a row in the pointed too table with that -1 value with a description
of "Unknown" or maybe "None" Yoiu could do a -2 with unknown and -1
with none. Doesn't HAVE to be -1 or -2 but that let's you know right
off the bat what is going on there.

GK

On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 6:10 PM, Tina Norris Fields
<tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
> Yes, that's what I've done.  What's troubling me is that not every donation
> will have both FKs filled - as when the donor is just an individual, not
> associated with an organization on record.  something feels wrong (not
> normalized) about that setup, but I don't see how to normalize it.
>
> Would you use the same principle for other similar setups, such as the
> different associations for phones?  For instance, the household has a land
> line, and the several members of the household carry cell phones.  The table
> of phone numbers will have an identifier for the type of phone and an FK for
> either the household or the individual.
>
> Thanks for your ideas.
>
> TNF
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
> On 12/23/2014 6:15 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>>
>> I make the individual table your primary table with all the contact info,
>> etc.  And a field which would be an FK to the Organization table.  That
>> way
>> many individuals could belong to an organization.  For the donation record
>> I'd put two FKs, one to the individual, one to the organization.
>>
>> hth
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
>> Fields
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 3:05 PM
>> To: DatabaseAdvisors-Access
>> Subject: [AccessD] This seems to get me often
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I do keep having this sort of problem to solve.  An example would be that
>> a
>> donor could be an individual or an organization.  So, a donation record
>> might have an individual ID as an FK or it might have an organization ID
>> as
>> an FK.  I'm uncomfortable with setting up a table where one of two FKs
>> will
>> be blank.  Another example would be that a client of a law firm could be
>> an
>> individual or an organization.  Another example would be that a telephone
>> could be associated with an individual, or a household, or an
>> organization.
>> What is the logical way to handle these?  What am I not seeing?
>>
>> Thanks for your guidance.
>>
>> TNF
>>
>> --
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
>> --
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Dec 23 21:08:48 2014
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 19:08:48 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] This seems to get me often
In-Reply-To: <549A048C.5070403@torchlake.com>
References: <5499F500.10701@torchlake.com><056400BD6BE14FDCB3ACD2D4E737A3D3@HAL9007>
	<549A048C.5070403@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <15DFAD6174CF4EC2AF745EC8229614AB@HAL9007>

Normalization is for weenies!  You go girl.  Just leave that FK blank!  A
good program is one that works.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 4:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] This seems to get me often

Yes, that's what I've done.  What's troubling me is that not every donation
will have both FKs filled - as when the donor is just an individual, not
associated with an organization on record.  something feels wrong (not
normalized) about that setup, but I don't see how to normalize it.

Would you use the same principle for other similar setups, such as the
different associations for phones?  For instance, the household has a land
line, and the several members of the household carry cell phones.  
The table of phone numbers will have an identifier for the type of phone and
an FK for either the household or the individual.

Thanks for your ideas.

TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 12/23/2014 6:15 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> I make the individual table your primary table with all the contact 
> info, etc.  And a field which would be an FK to the Organization 
> table.  That way many individuals could belong to an organization.  
> For the donation record I'd put two FKs, one to the individual, one to the
organization.
>
> hth
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris 
> Fields
> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 3:05 PM
> To: DatabaseAdvisors-Access
> Subject: [AccessD] This seems to get me often
>
> Hi,
>
> I do keep having this sort of problem to solve.  An example would be 
> that a donor could be an individual or an organization.  So, a 
> donation record might have an individual ID as an FK or it might have 
> an organization ID as an FK.  I'm uncomfortable with setting up a 
> table where one of two FKs will be blank.  Another example would be 
> that a client of a law firm could be an individual or an organization.  
> Another example would be that a telephone could be associated with an
individual, or a household, or an organization.
> What is the logical way to handle these?  What am I not seeing?
>
> Thanks for your guidance.
>
> TNF
>
> --
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Tue Dec 23 22:20:04 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 23:20:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] This seems to get me often
In-Reply-To: <01b401d01f0e$63462910$29d27b30$@winhaven.net>
References: <5499F500.10701@torchlake.com>
	<01b401d01f0e$63462910$29d27b30$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_3PG9BjtPFJW9anF1VXpBXvufsSC05mOdmX8PHHKnBf5w@mail.gmail.com>

I notice that is how it is done in the SQL Server Adventure Works sample
database. IIRC, one table is a business entity table, it has a business
entity type, looked up, as John suggests, has people and orgs.

From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz  Tue Dec 23 22:47:34 2014
From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 17:47:34 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] This seems to get me often
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+fbdCLBW03HqQjL1JEnUVRBjcu1xpV=mYKMwrzibXrjeg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+fbdCLBW03HqQjL1JEnUVRBjcu1xpV=mYKMwrzibXrjeg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <832C893861B3461D9C7142C472A1DEE7@SteveT540p>

If I understand the purpose of your database correctly, Susan, then that's 
how I would do it.  I agree with you - if you are tracking donors, then orgs 
and individuals in the same table is not denormalised.  And if you need to 
also identify the connections between individuals and organisations, or 
between individuals and other individuals, or between organisations, then 
use a sub-typing model as mentioned by Jack.

Regards
Steve


-----Original Message----- 
From: Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 1:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] This seems to get me often

A donor can be an individual or an organization -- they're all donors.
Donor is the entity, the name and type of donor all belong to donor. Right?

Susan H.

On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 7:36 PM, Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
wrote:

> ?Not without denormalizing the table.
>
> Charlotte>
> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Is there anyway to have orgs and individuals in the same table?
>
>


From jbartow at winhaven.net  Wed Dec 24 00:45:09 2014
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 00:45:09 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] This seems to get me often
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met8+1TBbN67W5HAsqz+e3ujEpEFj3Wi+kyQHPG0mTXy_OQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5499F500.10701@torchlake.com>	<01b401d01f0e$63462910$29d27b30$@winhaven.net>
	<CAH+Met8+1TBbN67W5HAsqz+e3ujEpEFj3Wi+kyQHPG0mTXy_OQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01f001d01f45$2961bca0$7c2535e0$@winhaven.net>

Now, THAT made me laugh Charlotte!

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 6:24 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] This seems to get me often

I don't answer to Arthur, but yes he did.  I've done it before myself.
Have a table of contacts that contains a FK to a company table.  the
donation table would have a foreign key for donor which could be either
company or contact and another field in donors to tell you which kind of
donation it is.

Charlotte

On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 4:13 PM, John R Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net> wrote:

> Tina,
> IIRC it was Arthur F. who posted a unique solution to this issue many 
> years ago. It had something to with one table holding both people and 
> organizations and having a FK to a lookup that defined which they were.
> There was also a M2M table that allowed individuals in the main table 
> to be linked to organizations in the same table and vice versa.
>
> I forget all the details but I thought it was brilliant solution to a 
> common problem. The issues it would have solved for me were numerous.
> Unfortunately
> the app I was thinking it would help with was too involved to change 
> the BE structure that much anymore. (I had gone down the Org PK < FK > 
> ClientOrg < FK > Client PK structure route.)
>
> ARTHUR! Help me out here :-)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris 
> Fields
> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 5:05 PM
> To: DatabaseAdvisors-Access
> Subject: [AccessD] This seems to get me often
>
> Hi,
>
> I do keep having this sort of problem to solve.  An example would be 
> that a donor could be an individual or an organization.  So, a 
> donation record might have an individual ID as an FK or it might have 
> an organization ID as an FK.  I'm uncomfortable with setting up a 
> table where one of two FKs will be blank.  Another example would be 
> that a client of a law firm could be an individual or an organization.  
> Another example would be that a telephone could be associated with an
individual, or a household, or an organization.
> What is the logical way to handle these?  What am I not seeing?
>
> Thanks for your guidance.
>
> TNF
>
> --
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
> --
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Dec 24 06:43:25 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 07:43:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] This seems to get me often
In-Reply-To: <15DFAD6174CF4EC2AF745EC8229614AB@HAL9007>
References: <5499F500.10701@torchlake.com>
	<056400BD6BE14FDCB3ACD2D4E737A3D3@HAL9007>
	<549A048C.5070403@torchlake.com>
	<15DFAD6174CF4EC2AF745EC8229614AB@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+cx84GHWy9OGdWCXg7=AMLs9Tw6QL+v4setJRHFKw_F+Q@mail.gmail.com>

We had this discussion when I was normalizing the animal tracking db for
work and <sigh> it was turning into a monster! And realistically, it's a
simple db app -- nothing special or even difficult about what they need.
Denormalizing (a bit) made my work much easier in the long run.

Susan H.

On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 10:08 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:

> Normalization is for weenies!  You go girl.  Just leave that FK blank!  A
> good program is one that works.
>
> R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> Fields
> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 4:11 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] This seems to get me often
>
> Yes, that's what I've done.  What's troubling me is that not every donation
> will have both FKs filled - as when the donor is just an individual, not
> associated with an organization on record.  something feels wrong (not
> normalized) about that setup, but I don't see how to normalize it.
>
> Would you use the same principle for other similar setups, such as the
> different associations for phones?  For instance, the household has a land
> line, and the several members of the household carry cell phones.
> The table of phone numbers will have an identifier for the type of phone
> and
> an FK for either the household or the individual.
>
> Thanks for your ideas.
>
> TNF
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
> On 12/23/2014 6:15 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> > I make the individual table your primary table with all the contact
> > info, etc.  And a field which would be an FK to the Organization
> > table.  That way many individuals could belong to an organization.
> > For the donation record I'd put two FKs, one to the individual, one to
> the
> organization.
> >
> > hth
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> > Fields
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 3:05 PM
> > To: DatabaseAdvisors-Access
> > Subject: [AccessD] This seems to get me often
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I do keep having this sort of problem to solve.  An example would be
> > that a donor could be an individual or an organization.  So, a
> > donation record might have an individual ID as an FK or it might have
> > an organization ID as an FK.  I'm uncomfortable with setting up a
> > table where one of two FKs will be blank.  Another example would be
> > that a client of a law firm could be an individual or an organization.
> > Another example would be that a telephone could be associated with an
> individual, or a household, or an organization.
> > What is the logical way to handle these?  What am I not seeing?
> >
> > Thanks for your guidance.
> >
> > TNF
> >
> > --
> > Tina Norris Fields
> > tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> > 231-322-2787
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
> --
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>
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Dec 24 07:25:46 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 08:25:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] This seems to get me often
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met-F1THat_UYX6MpKA0EKsWgwuWABgh3gBnD_=KpfTO-tQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+fbdCLBW03HqQjL1JEnUVRBjcu1xpV=mYKMwrzibXrjeg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met-F1THat_UYX6MpKA0EKsWgwuWABgh3gBnD_=KpfTO-tQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Charlotte, this makes perfect sense, but it isn't the way I would approach
it for a db I might be working on, but then, mine would be small and
specific. I know some of you use Access to create dbs with a much broader
scope and that definitely impacts your design. I think perhaps the smaller
the project, the more freedom you have -- I might be wrong. :)

It's kind of interesting because I downloaded a few knitting patterns this
morning and it hit me that designing a database is really a very creative
endeavor. You have a pattern, you have stitches that you know and have used
for years -- but still, we all seem to bring our own personal process to
the project. :) Another knitter can observe and with a minimal amount of
explanation from you, they might say, "That's not how I would've done it,
but that's nice!" :)

When I stopped working in and writing about Access, I don't think I
realized how hard it would be to reclaim the skill. It's like riding a bike
right? Um... not for me. And speaking of... I tried riding a bike with my
granddaughter a few years back. That wasn't so easy either. :)

Susan H.

On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 8:02 PM, Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
wrote:

> The donation table contains donation, amount, date, donorID, perhaps type
> of donation (i.e. pledge, lump sum, in kind, etc.).  You have a persons
> table that includes a field for companyID because you probably want to
> address any thank yous to that person's attention at their company, if
> any.  The Company table is just that, companies.  It may have multiple
> addresses so those are linked to the persons table.  If you put contacts
> into the company table, you will either wind up overwriting the contacts
> for future donations, or you'll have duplicates of the company for
> different contacts.  The persons and companies table have addresses in an
> Address table whose PK is inserted as an FK in the appropriate table.  Does
> that seem any clearer?
>
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > A donor can be an individual or an organization -- they're all donors.
> > Donor is the entity, the name and type of donor all belong to donor.
> Right?
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 7:36 PM, Charlotte Foust <
> > charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > ?Not without denormalizing the table.
> > >
> > > Charlotte?
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Is there anyway to have orgs and individuals in the same table?
> > >
> > >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Wed Dec 24 11:28:01 2014
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 09:28:01 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] This seems to get me often
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+d6bh_W0_zCG9i_NytuNusybN4qNs_nCCJmuqvaLsuqjg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+fbdCLBW03HqQjL1JEnUVRBjcu1xpV=mYKMwrzibXrjeg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met-F1THat_UYX6MpKA0EKsWgwuWABgh3gBnD_=KpfTO-tQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA++Sg+d6bh_W0_zCG9i_NytuNusybN4qNs_nCCJmuqvaLsuqjg@mail.gmail.com>
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Susan,

I recognize your situation and understand.  Just know that the simple apps
have a way of sticking around forever and user appetites for new reports
and features usually leads to a  need for normalization.  For me it's
easier to just design that way from the start.  I'm lazy!

Charlotte
On Dec 24, 2014 5:28 AM, "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:

> Charlotte, this makes perfect sense, but it isn't the way I would approach
> it for a db I might be working on, but then, mine would be small and
> specific. I know some of you use Access to create dbs with a much broader
> scope and that definitely impacts your design. I think perhaps the smaller
> the project, the more freedom you have -- I might be wrong. :)
>
> It's kind of interesting because I downloaded a few knitting patterns this
> morning and it hit me that designing a database is really a very creative
> endeavor. You have a pattern, you have stitches that you know and have used
> for years -- but still, we all seem to bring our own personal process to
> the project. :) Another knitter can observe and with a minimal amount of
> explanation from you, they might say, "That's not how I would've done it,
> but that's nice!" :)
>
> When I stopped working in and writing about Access, I don't think I
> realized how hard it would be to reclaim the skill. It's like riding a bike
> right? Um... not for me. And speaking of... I tried riding a bike with my
> granddaughter a few years back. That wasn't so easy either. :)
>
> Susan H.
>
> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 8:02 PM, Charlotte Foust <
> charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > The donation table contains donation, amount, date, donorID, perhaps type
> > of donation (i.e. pledge, lump sum, in kind, etc.).  You have a persons
> > table that includes a field for companyID because you probably want to
> > address any thank yous to that person's attention at their company, if
> > any.  The Company table is just that, companies.  It may have multiple
> > addresses so those are linked to the persons table.  If you put contacts
> > into the company table, you will either wind up overwriting the contacts
> > for future donations, or you'll have duplicates of the company for
> > different contacts.  The persons and companies table have addresses in an
> > Address table whose PK is inserted as an FK in the appropriate table.
> Does
> > that seem any clearer?
> >
> >
> > Charlotte
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > A donor can be an individual or an organization -- they're all donors.
> > > Donor is the entity, the name and type of donor all belong to donor.
> > Right?
> > >
> > > Susan H.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 7:36 PM, Charlotte Foust <
> > > charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > ?Not without denormalizing the table.
> > > >
> > > > Charlotte?
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Is there anyway to have orgs and individuals in the same table?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Dec 24 11:42:36 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 12:42:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] This seems to get me often
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met-+XcWPDVp7cV_Kt8WFiONuUmJrfaKAVM7E43nfCW8oNw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+fbdCLBW03HqQjL1JEnUVRBjcu1xpV=mYKMwrzibXrjeg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met-F1THat_UYX6MpKA0EKsWgwuWABgh3gBnD_=KpfTO-tQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA++Sg+d6bh_W0_zCG9i_NytuNusybN4qNs_nCCJmuqvaLsuqjg@mail.gmail.com>
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I completely agree. I had to pull up the animal db to see what I ended up
doing. I have an institution table and a contact table.

Susan H.

On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com
> wrote:

> Susan,
>
> I recognize your situation and understand.  Just know that the simple apps
> have a way of sticking around forever and user appetites for new reports
> and features usually leads to a  need for normalization.  For me it's
> easier to just design that way from the start.  I'm lazy!
>
> Charlotte
> On Dec 24, 2014 5:28 AM, "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Charlotte, this makes perfect sense, but it isn't the way I would
> approach
> > it for a db I might be working on, but then, mine would be small and
> > specific. I know some of you use Access to create dbs with a much broader
> > scope and that definitely impacts your design. I think perhaps the
> smaller
> > the project, the more freedom you have -- I might be wrong. :)
> >
> > It's kind of interesting because I downloaded a few knitting patterns
> this
> > morning and it hit me that designing a database is really a very creative
> > endeavor. You have a pattern, you have stitches that you know and have
> used
> > for years -- but still, we all seem to bring our own personal process to
> > the project. :) Another knitter can observe and with a minimal amount of
> > explanation from you, they might say, "That's not how I would've done it,
> > but that's nice!" :)
> >
> > When I stopped working in and writing about Access, I don't think I
> > realized how hard it would be to reclaim the skill. It's like riding a
> bike
> > right? Um... not for me. And speaking of... I tried riding a bike with my
> > granddaughter a few years back. That wasn't so easy either. :)
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 8:02 PM, Charlotte Foust <
> > charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > The donation table contains donation, amount, date, donorID, perhaps
> type
> > > of donation (i.e. pledge, lump sum, in kind, etc.).  You have a persons
> > > table that includes a field for companyID because you probably want to
> > > address any thank yous to that person's attention at their company, if
> > > any.  The Company table is just that, companies.  It may have multiple
> > > addresses so those are linked to the persons table.  If you put
> contacts
> > > into the company table, you will either wind up overwriting the
> contacts
> > > for future donations, or you'll have duplicates of the company for
> > > different contacts.  The persons and companies table have addresses in
> an
> > > Address table whose PK is inserted as an FK in the appropriate table.
> > Does
> > > that seem any clearer?
> > >
> > >
> > > Charlotte
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > A donor can be an individual or an organization -- they're all
> donors.
> > > > Donor is the entity, the name and type of donor all belong to donor.
> > > Right?
> > > >
> > > > Susan H.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 7:36 PM, Charlotte Foust <
> > > > charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > ?Not without denormalizing the table.
> > > > >
> > > > > Charlotte?
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Susan Harkins <
> ssharkins at gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Is there anyway to have orgs and individuals in the same table?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > --
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Dec 24 11:59:43 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 12:59:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] This seems to get me often
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+c5AOFKHEoHu8w9wJbdxeYUZ=CuXXvJrmqOTAb+07Cipw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+fbdCLBW03HqQjL1JEnUVRBjcu1xpV=mYKMwrzibXrjeg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met-F1THat_UYX6MpKA0EKsWgwuWABgh3gBnD_=KpfTO-tQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA++Sg+d6bh_W0_zCG9i_NytuNusybN4qNs_nCCJmuqvaLsuqjg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met-+XcWPDVp7cV_Kt8WFiONuUmJrfaKAVM7E43nfCW8oNw@mail.gmail.com>
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There's no such thing as a simple app. I have made that mistake more times
than I can count. And I know that some of you, perhaps most, are happy with
3NF but I am not. I almost always go to BCNF or 5NF.

Merry Christmas and/or happy holidays to everyone on this list.

Arthur

On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:

> I completely agree. I had to pull up the animal db to see what I ended up
> doing. I have an institution table and a contact table.
>
> Susan H.
>
> On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Charlotte Foust <
> charlotte.foust at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> > Susan,
> >
> > I recognize your situation and understand.  Just know that the simple
> apps
> > have a way of sticking around forever and user appetites for new reports
> > and features usually leads to a  need for normalization.  For me it's
> > easier to just design that way from the start.  I'm lazy!
> >
> > Charlotte
> > On Dec 24, 2014 5:28 AM, "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Charlotte, this makes perfect sense, but it isn't the way I would
> > approach
> > > it for a db I might be working on, but then, mine would be small and
> > > specific. I know some of you use Access to create dbs with a much
> broader
> > > scope and that definitely impacts your design. I think perhaps the
> > smaller
> > > the project, the more freedom you have -- I might be wrong. :)
> > >
> > > It's kind of interesting because I downloaded a few knitting patterns
> > this
> > > morning and it hit me that designing a database is really a very
> creative
> > > endeavor. You have a pattern, you have stitches that you know and have
> > used
> > > for years -- but still, we all seem to bring our own personal process
> to
> > > the project. :) Another knitter can observe and with a minimal amount
> of
> > > explanation from you, they might say, "That's not how I would've done
> it,
> > > but that's nice!" :)
> > >
> > > When I stopped working in and writing about Access, I don't think I
> > > realized how hard it would be to reclaim the skill. It's like riding a
> > bike
> > > right? Um... not for me. And speaking of... I tried riding a bike with
> my
> > > granddaughter a few years back. That wasn't so easy either. :)
> > >
> > > Susan H.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 8:02 PM, Charlotte Foust <
> > > charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > The donation table contains donation, amount, date, donorID, perhaps
> > type
> > > > of donation (i.e. pledge, lump sum, in kind, etc.).  You have a
> persons
> > > > table that includes a field for companyID because you probably want
> to
> > > > address any thank yous to that person's attention at their company,
> if
> > > > any.  The Company table is just that, companies.  It may have
> multiple
> > > > addresses so those are linked to the persons table.  If you put
> > contacts
> > > > into the company table, you will either wind up overwriting the
> > contacts
> > > > for future donations, or you'll have duplicates of the company for
> > > > different contacts.  The persons and companies table have addresses
> in
> > an
> > > > Address table whose PK is inserted as an FK in the appropriate table.
> > > Does
> > > > that seem any clearer?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Charlotte
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > A donor can be an individual or an organization -- they're all
> > donors.
> > > > > Donor is the entity, the name and type of donor all belong to
> donor.
> > > > Right?
> > > > >
> > > > > Susan H.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 7:36 PM, Charlotte Foust <
> > > > > charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > ?Not without denormalizing the table.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Charlotte?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Susan Harkins <
> > ssharkins at gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is there anyway to have orgs and individuals in the same table?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > >
> > > > --
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Arthur

From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Wed Dec 24 12:19:20 2014
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 13:19:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] This seems to get me often
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jc43EE6Z6CG0oL8DYBHnapqw7YZVRtpY8cZBcJe9h9hg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+fbdCLBW03HqQjL1JEnUVRBjcu1xpV=mYKMwrzibXrjeg@mail.gmail.com>	<CAH+Met-F1THat_UYX6MpKA0EKsWgwuWABgh3gBnD_=KpfTO-tQ@mail.gmail.com>	<CA++Sg+d6bh_W0_zCG9i_NytuNusybN4qNs_nCCJmuqvaLsuqjg@mail.gmail.com>	<CAH+Met-+XcWPDVp7cV_Kt8WFiONuUmJrfaKAVM7E43nfCW8oNw@mail.gmail.com>	<CA++Sg+c5AOFKHEoHu8w9wJbdxeYUZ=CuXXvJrmqOTAb+07Cipw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <549B03A8.1060500@torchlake.com>

Hi Arthur,
Yes, I see 3NF as a minimum, which is why I brought my question to this 
gang.  I knew there were people here who could push me in the right 
direction.
TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 12/24/2014 12:59 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> There's no such thing as a simple app. I have made that mistake more times
> than I can count. And I know that some of you, perhaps most, are happy with
> 3NF but I am not. I almost always go to BCNF or 5NF.
>
> Merry Christmas and/or happy holidays to everyone on this list.
>
> Arthur
>
> On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I completely agree. I had to pull up the animal db to see what I ended up
>> doing. I have an institution table and a contact table.
>>
>> Susan H.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Charlotte Foust <
>> charlotte.foust at gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>> Susan,
>>>
>>> I recognize your situation and understand.  Just know that the simple
>> apps
>>> have a way of sticking around forever and user appetites for new reports
>>> and features usually leads to a  need for normalization.  For me it's
>>> easier to just design that way from the start.  I'm lazy!
>>>
>>> Charlotte
>>> On Dec 24, 2014 5:28 AM, "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Charlotte, this makes perfect sense, but it isn't the way I would
>>> approach
>>>> it for a db I might be working on, but then, mine would be small and
>>>> specific. I know some of you use Access to create dbs with a much
>> broader
>>>> scope and that definitely impacts your design. I think perhaps the
>>> smaller
>>>> the project, the more freedom you have -- I might be wrong. :)
>>>>
>>>> It's kind of interesting because I downloaded a few knitting patterns
>>> this
>>>> morning and it hit me that designing a database is really a very
>> creative
>>>> endeavor. You have a pattern, you have stitches that you know and have
>>> used
>>>> for years -- but still, we all seem to bring our own personal process
>> to
>>>> the project. :) Another knitter can observe and with a minimal amount
>> of
>>>> explanation from you, they might say, "That's not how I would've done
>> it,
>>>> but that's nice!" :)
>>>>
>>>> When I stopped working in and writing about Access, I don't think I
>>>> realized how hard it would be to reclaim the skill. It's like riding a
>>> bike
>>>> right? Um... not for me. And speaking of... I tried riding a bike with
>> my
>>>> granddaughter a few years back. That wasn't so easy either. :)
>>>>
>>>> Susan H.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 8:02 PM, Charlotte Foust <
>>>> charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The donation table contains donation, amount, date, donorID, perhaps
>>> type
>>>>> of donation (i.e. pledge, lump sum, in kind, etc.).  You have a
>> persons
>>>>> table that includes a field for companyID because you probably want
>> to
>>>>> address any thank yous to that person's attention at their company,
>> if
>>>>> any.  The Company table is just that, companies.  It may have
>> multiple
>>>>> addresses so those are linked to the persons table.  If you put
>>> contacts
>>>>> into the company table, you will either wind up overwriting the
>>> contacts
>>>>> for future donations, or you'll have duplicates of the company for
>>>>> different contacts.  The persons and companies table have addresses
>> in
>>> an
>>>>> Address table whose PK is inserted as an FK in the appropriate table.
>>>> Does
>>>>> that seem any clearer?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Charlotte
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> A donor can be an individual or an organization -- they're all
>>> donors.
>>>>>> Donor is the entity, the name and type of donor all belong to
>> donor.
>>>>> Right?
>>>>>> Susan H.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 7:36 PM, Charlotte Foust <
>>>>>> charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ?Not without denormalizing the table.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Charlotte?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Susan Harkins <
>>> ssharkins at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is there anyway to have orgs and individuals in the same table?
>>>>>>>
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>


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Wed Dec 24 12:19:58 2014
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 13:19:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] This seems to get me often
In-Reply-To: <15DFAD6174CF4EC2AF745EC8229614AB@HAL9007>
References: <5499F500.10701@torchlake.com><056400BD6BE14FDCB3ACD2D4E737A3D3@HAL9007>	<549A048C.5070403@torchlake.com>
	<15DFAD6174CF4EC2AF745EC8229614AB@HAL9007>
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Rocky,
I love your encouragement.  Thanks!
TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 12/23/2014 10:08 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> Normalization is for weenies!  You go girl.  Just leave that FK blank!  A
> good program is one that works.
>
> R
>   
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> Fields
> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 4:11 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] This seems to get me often
>
> Yes, that's what I've done.  What's troubling me is that not every donation
> will have both FKs filled - as when the donor is just an individual, not
> associated with an organization on record.  something feels wrong (not
> normalized) about that setup, but I don't see how to normalize it.
>
> Would you use the same principle for other similar setups, such as the
> different associations for phones?  For instance, the household has a land
> line, and the several members of the household carry cell phones.
> The table of phone numbers will have an identifier for the type of phone and
> an FK for either the household or the individual.
>
> Thanks for your ideas.
>
> TNF
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
> On 12/23/2014 6:15 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>> I make the individual table your primary table with all the contact
>> info, etc.  And a field which would be an FK to the Organization
>> table.  That way many individuals could belong to an organization.
>> For the donation record I'd put two FKs, one to the individual, one to the
> organization.
>> hth
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
>> Fields
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 3:05 PM
>> To: DatabaseAdvisors-Access
>> Subject: [AccessD] This seems to get me often
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I do keep having this sort of problem to solve.  An example would be
>> that a donor could be an individual or an organization.  So, a
>> donation record might have an individual ID as an FK or it might have
>> an organization ID as an FK.  I'm uncomfortable with setting up a
>> table where one of two FKs will be blank.  Another example would be
>> that a client of a law firm could be an individual or an organization.
>> Another example would be that a telephone could be associated with an
> individual, or a household, or an organization.
>> What is the logical way to handle these?  What am I not seeing?
>>
>> Thanks for your guidance.
>>
>> TNF
>>
>> --
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>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Dec 24 13:34:04 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 14:34:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] This seems to get me often
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jc43EE6Z6CG0oL8DYBHnapqw7YZVRtpY8cZBcJe9h9hg@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAH+Met-F1THat_UYX6MpKA0EKsWgwuWABgh3gBnD_=KpfTO-tQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA++Sg+d6bh_W0_zCG9i_NytuNusybN4qNs_nCCJmuqvaLsuqjg@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAEPJO1jc43EE6Z6CG0oL8DYBHnapqw7YZVRtpY8cZBcJe9h9hg@mail.gmail.com>
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Arthur, it's about balance for me. The db I'm (still) working on for Salato
has one purpose -- to track intake, outtake, and anything else she decides
she wants to track, but the function remains the same -- the animals. It's
not like she's going to say can you add building maintenance to the db? :)
I know that happens. :)

Susan H.

On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
wrote:

> There's no such thing as a simple app. I have made that mistake more times
> than I can count. And I know that some of you, perhaps most, are happy with
> 3NF but I am not. I almost always go to BCNF or 5NF.
>
> Merry Christmas and/or happy holidays to everyone on this list.
>
> Arthur
>
> On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I completely agree. I had to pull up the animal db to see what I ended up
> > doing. I have an institution table and a contact table.
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Charlotte Foust <
> > charlotte.foust at gmail.com
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > Susan,
> > >
> > > I recognize your situation and understand.  Just know that the simple
> > apps
> > > have a way of sticking around forever and user appetites for new
> reports
> > > and features usually leads to a  need for normalization.  For me it's
> > > easier to just design that way from the start.  I'm lazy!
> > >
> > > Charlotte
> > > On Dec 24, 2014 5:28 AM, "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Charlotte, this makes perfect sense, but it isn't the way I would
> > > approach
> > > > it for a db I might be working on, but then, mine would be small and
> > > > specific. I know some of you use Access to create dbs with a much
> > broader
> > > > scope and that definitely impacts your design. I think perhaps the
> > > smaller
> > > > the project, the more freedom you have -- I might be wrong. :)
> > > >
> > > > It's kind of interesting because I downloaded a few knitting patterns
> > > this
> > > > morning and it hit me that designing a database is really a very
> > creative
> > > > endeavor. You have a pattern, you have stitches that you know and
> have
> > > used
> > > > for years -- but still, we all seem to bring our own personal process
> > to
> > > > the project. :) Another knitter can observe and with a minimal amount
> > of
> > > > explanation from you, they might say, "That's not how I would've done
> > it,
> > > > but that's nice!" :)
> > > >
> > > > When I stopped working in and writing about Access, I don't think I
> > > > realized how hard it would be to reclaim the skill. It's like riding
> a
> > > bike
> > > > right? Um... not for me. And speaking of... I tried riding a bike
> with
> > my
> > > > granddaughter a few years back. That wasn't so easy either. :)
> > > >
> > > > Susan H.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 8:02 PM, Charlotte Foust <
> > > > charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The donation table contains donation, amount, date, donorID,
> perhaps
> > > type
> > > > > of donation (i.e. pledge, lump sum, in kind, etc.).  You have a
> > persons
> > > > > table that includes a field for companyID because you probably want
> > to
> > > > > address any thank yous to that person's attention at their company,
> > if
> > > > > any.  The Company table is just that, companies.  It may have
> > multiple
> > > > > addresses so those are linked to the persons table.  If you put
> > > contacts
> > > > > into the company table, you will either wind up overwriting the
> > > contacts
> > > > > for future donations, or you'll have duplicates of the company for
> > > > > different contacts.  The persons and companies table have addresses
> > in
> > > an
> > > > > Address table whose PK is inserted as an FK in the appropriate
> table.
> > > > Does
> > > > > that seem any clearer?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Charlotte
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Susan Harkins <
> ssharkins at gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > A donor can be an individual or an organization -- they're all
> > > donors.
> > > > > > Donor is the entity, the name and type of donor all belong to
> > donor.
> > > > > Right?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Susan H.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 7:36 PM, Charlotte Foust <
> > > > > > charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > ?Not without denormalizing the table.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Charlotte?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Susan Harkins <
> > > ssharkins at gmail.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Is there anyway to have orgs and individuals in the same
> table?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Dec 24 14:04:27 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 13:04:27 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] This seems to get me often
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jc43EE6Z6CG0oL8DYBHnapqw7YZVRtpY8cZBcJe9h9hg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1403254770.80572275.1419451467241.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Same to you Arthur. :-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 9:59:43 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] This seems to get me often

There's no such thing as a simple app. I have made that mistake more times
than I can count. And I know that some of you, perhaps most, are happy with
3NF but I am not. I almost always go to BCNF or 5NF.

Merry Christmas and/or happy holidays to everyone on this list.

Arthur

On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:

> I completely agree. I had to pull up the animal db to see what I ended up
> doing. I have an institution table and a contact table.
>
> Susan H.
>
> On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Charlotte Foust <
> charlotte.foust at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> > Susan,
> >
> > I recognize your situation and understand.  Just know that the simple
> apps
> > have a way of sticking around forever and user appetites for new reports
> > and features usually leads to a  need for normalization.  For me it's
> > easier to just design that way from the start.  I'm lazy!
> >
> > Charlotte
> > On Dec 24, 2014 5:28 AM, "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Charlotte, this makes perfect sense, but it isn't the way I would
> > approach
> > > it for a db I might be working on, but then, mine would be small and
> > > specific. I know some of you use Access to create dbs with a much
> broader
> > > scope and that definitely impacts your design. I think perhaps the
> > smaller
> > > the project, the more freedom you have -- I might be wrong. :)
> > >
> > > It's kind of interesting because I downloaded a few knitting patterns
> > this
> > > morning and it hit me that designing a database is really a very
> creative
> > > endeavor. You have a pattern, you have stitches that you know and have
> > used
> > > for years -- but still, we all seem to bring our own personal process
> to
> > > the project. :) Another knitter can observe and with a minimal amount
> of
> > > explanation from you, they might say, "That's not how I would've done
> it,
> > > but that's nice!" :)
> > >
> > > When I stopped working in and writing about Access, I don't think I
> > > realized how hard it would be to reclaim the skill. It's like riding a
> > bike
> > > right? Um... not for me. And speaking of... I tried riding a bike with
> my
> > > granddaughter a few years back. That wasn't so easy either. :)
> > >
> > > Susan H.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 8:02 PM, Charlotte Foust <
> > > charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > The donation table contains donation, amount, date, donorID, perhaps
> > type
> > > > of donation (i.e. pledge, lump sum, in kind, etc.).  You have a
> persons
> > > > table that includes a field for companyID because you probably want
> to
> > > > address any thank yous to that person's attention at their company,
> if
> > > > any.  The Company table is just that, companies.  It may have
> multiple
> > > > addresses so those are linked to the persons table.  If you put
> > contacts
> > > > into the company table, you will either wind up overwriting the
> > contacts
> > > > for future donations, or you'll have duplicates of the company for
> > > > different contacts.  The persons and companies table have addresses
> in
> > an
> > > > Address table whose PK is inserted as an FK in the appropriate table.
> > > Does
> > > > that seem any clearer?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Charlotte
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > A donor can be an individual or an organization -- they're all
> > donors.
> > > > > Donor is the entity, the name and type of donor all belong to
> donor.
> > > > Right?
> > > > >
> > > > > Susan H.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 7:36 PM, Charlotte Foust <
> > > > > charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > ?Not without denormalizing the table.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Charlotte?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Susan Harkins <
> > ssharkins at gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is there anyway to have orgs and individuals in the same table?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > --
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Wed Dec 24 17:22:48 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 18:22:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How to set the value, not the position, of a combobox
Message-ID: <004b01d01fd0$88bf2030$9a3d6090$@gmail.com>

I have an access form with an unbound combo that have been populated via rowsource query such as 

    Select vintageID, Vintage from TblVintage 

I only just noticed a problem with how my control values were being shown when I attempted to set the control to a particular value - thinking that if the bound column is 0, that this was the equivalent value to the combo itself. But apparently that is not so, what is returned (or set) with syntax like

      iVal = cboVintage  <<== returns the ListIndex

    cboVintage = iVal    <<== positions the combo on the ith item (assuming there is one)

I know I can loop through the combo's list, testing until cboVintage.List(i,0) = iVal = true, then set cbovintage.Selected(i) = TRUE. Perhaps this cannot be done because there is no guarantee that there is only one such value in any particular column of the ComboBox. But looping seems expensive, so is there any way to position the combo on the first qualifying item directly?

TIA.




From bensonforums at gmail.com  Wed Dec 24 17:34:40 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 18:34:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How to set the value, not the position, of a combobox
In-Reply-To: <004b01d01fd0$88bf2030$9a3d6090$@gmail.com>
References: <004b01d01fd0$88bf2030$9a3d6090$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004c01d01fd2$312e5e60$938b1b20$@gmail.com>

Actually, It is not .List property (that is Excel), it is Column(iColIndex,iRowIndex)

This routine is working if I pass the combo's name, the value I am seeking in the required column, and the column index. Again, I just want to check there is no direct way, thanks.



Private Sub PositionCombo(Ctr As String, iCol As Long, varValue As Variant)
Dim Ctrl As ComboBox
Dim i As Long
Set Ctrl = Controls(Ctr)
Ctrl.Requery
For i = 0 To Ctrl.ListCount - 1
    If Ctr = "txtWineType" Then Debug.Print Ctrl.Column(iCol, i)
    If Ctrl.Column(iCol, i) = CStr(varValue) Then
        Ctrl.Value = i
        Exit For
    End If
Next
End Sub

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Benson [mailto:bensonforums at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 6:23 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: How to set the value, not the position, of a combobox

I have an access form with an unbound combo that have been populated via rowsource query such as 

    Select vintageID, Vintage from TblVintage 

I only just noticed a problem with how my control values were being shown when I attempted to set the control to a particular value - thinking that if the bound column is 0, that this was the equivalent value to the combo itself. But apparently that is not so, what is returned (or set) with syntax like

      iVal = cboVintage  <<== returns the ListIndex

    cboVintage = iVal    <<== positions the combo on the ith item (assuming there is one)

I know I can loop through the combo's list, testing until cboVintage.List(i,0) = iVal = true, then set cbovintage.Selected(i) = TRUE. Perhaps this cannot be done because there is no guarantee that there is only one such value in any particular column of the ComboBox. But looping seems expensive, so is there any way to position the combo on the first qualifying item directly?

TIA.





From jbartow at winhaven.net  Wed Dec 24 23:41:31 2014
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 23:41:31 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] This seems to get me often
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No insult intended, I do simple apps myself sometimes ;-)

What you mention Charlotte is why, IMO, many database gurus have a thing about Access. A power user designs an app to do one thing and designs the backend to do one thing, disregarding the tenants of normalization. A few years later their asked to update it to do more things and it would take a redesign to accomplish it. We know that access can handle well planned normalized schemas, it's just that it doesn't have to.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 11:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] This seems to get me often

Susan,

I recognize your situation and understand.  Just know that the simple apps have a way of sticking around forever and user appetites for new reports and features usually leads to a  need for normalization.  For me it's easier to just design that way from the start.  I'm lazy!

Charlotte
On Dec 24, 2014 5:28 AM, "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:

> Charlotte, this makes perfect sense, but it isn't the way I would 
> approach it for a db I might be working on, but then, mine would be 
> small and specific. I know some of you use Access to create dbs with a 
> much broader scope and that definitely impacts your design. I think 
> perhaps the smaller the project, the more freedom you have -- I might 
> be wrong. :)
>
> It's kind of interesting because I downloaded a few knitting patterns 
> this morning and it hit me that designing a database is really a very 
> creative endeavor. You have a pattern, you have stitches that you know 
> and have used for years -- but still, we all seem to bring our own 
> personal process to the project. :) Another knitter can observe and 
> with a minimal amount of explanation from you, they might say, "That's 
> not how I would've done it, but that's nice!" :)
>
> When I stopped working in and writing about Access, I don't think I 
> realized how hard it would be to reclaim the skill. It's like riding a 
> bike right? Um... not for me. And speaking of... I tried riding a bike 
> with my granddaughter a few years back. That wasn't so easy either. :)
>
> Susan H.
>
> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 8:02 PM, Charlotte Foust < 
> charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > The donation table contains donation, amount, date, donorID, perhaps 
> > type of donation (i.e. pledge, lump sum, in kind, etc.).  You have a 
> > persons table that includes a field for companyID because you 
> > probably want to address any thank yous to that person's attention 
> > at their company, if any.  The Company table is just that, 
> > companies.  It may have multiple addresses so those are linked to 
> > the persons table.  If you put contacts into the company table, you 
> > will either wind up overwriting the contacts for future donations, 
> > or you'll have duplicates of the company for different contacts.  
> > The persons and companies table have addresses in an Address table whose PK is inserted as an FK in the appropriate table.
> Does
> > that seem any clearer?
> >
> >
> > Charlotte
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > A donor can be an individual or an organization -- they're all donors.
> > > Donor is the entity, the name and type of donor all belong to donor.
> > Right?
> > >
> > > Susan H.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 7:36 PM, Charlotte Foust < 
> > > charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > ?Not without denormalizing the table.
> > > >
> > > > Charlotte?
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Susan Harkins 
> > > > <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Is there anyway to have orgs and individuals in the same table?
> > > >
> > > >
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Dec 25 08:07:33 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 14:07:33 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] This seems to get me often
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Hi Arthur

So true, so wise.

Merry Christmas to all.
Gustav

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Sendt: 24. december 2014 18:59
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] This seems to get me often

There's no such thing as a simple app. ..

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Dec 25 08:23:23 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 09:23:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] This seems to get me often
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Well maybe not simple -- but narrow in scope -- how's that? :) I can easily
see the boss saying, "Can we do ..." -- but it'll be adding a new report or
changing data input routine. She's not going to ask for something I can't
give her quickly and without too much fuss. If that DOES happen, I will let
you guys know so you can all say "I told you so."

I use to have a db that I used to track article ideas, submitted articles,
and send invoices. It never grew beyond that. it worked perfectly for me. I
don't write that much anymore and invoicing is all online now, so I no
longer use it.

Although the vet was down a few weeks ago and Laurie asked me to show the
db and see was saying, "oh wow... I can use this to ...." -- so the vet
might very well have some interesting requests. She doesn't work at Salato
though, she works for the department and has her own resources so I'm not
sure how much time Laurie will ask me to invest in supplying her tools. But
still, it's about adding data to describe the care of the animals -- even
if it gets medically specific, it's still the same animals and structure.

<sigh>

Susan H.

On Thu, Dec 25, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Arthur
>
> So true, so wise.
>
> Merry Christmas to all.
> Gustav
>
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>
> There's no such thing as a simple app. ..
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Thu Dec 25 09:37:22 2014
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 07:37:22 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] This seems to get me often
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Amen, brother!

Charlotte
On Dec 24, 2014 10:02 AM, "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> There's no such thing as a simple app. I have made that mistake more times
> than I can count. And I know that some of you, perhaps most, are happy with
> 3NF but I am not. I almost always go to BCNF or 5NF.
>
> Merry Christmas and/or happy holidays to everyone on this list.
>
> Arthur
>
>
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Thu Dec 25 16:50:25 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 17:50:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value
Message-ID: <00db01d02095$2cc55450$864ffcf0$@gmail.com>

I want to filter a form, when a toggle is depressed based on a control value on my form. When that control changes, I want the filter to be applied. I have tried without success to set the filter a myriad of different ways, and whatever I try, the filter is ineffective (returns no records) when I use any of these attempts.

I have tried:
         Filter = "FKCompanyID= [Forms]!frmOrders![txtWholesalerID]"
         Filter = "FKCompanyID= [Forms]!frmOrders!txtWholesalerID"
         Filter = "FKCompanyID= [Forms]!frmOrders!Controls("txtWholesalerID")
         Filter = "FKCompanyID= [Forms]!frmOrders!cboWholesaler.Column(0)
         Filter = "FKWholesalerID= Forms(""frmOrders"").Controls(""cboWholesaler"").Column(0)"
         Filter = "FKWholesalerID= Forms(""frmOrders"").Controls(""txtWholesalerID"")"

Finally, getting desperate, I tried a UDF GetWholesalerID() which returned the value of one of the controls above, and that would work in the filter.

         Filter = "FKWholesalerID=" & GetWholesaler()

The annoyance though, is that I need to call this in the AfterUpdate event of the control that drives it, since the function is not volatile - as reference to a control would be on its own.

Is there any form of compliant syntax which will allow me to establish a direct dependence between the filter and the referenced control?




From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Dec 25 17:18:02 2014
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 18:18:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value
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References: <00db01d02095$2cc55450$864ffcf0$@gmail.com>
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 You were close....correct syntax is:

 Me.Filter = "[FKCompanyID] = " & [Forms]!frmOrders![txtWholesalerID]

  if this is frmOrders, then that can be shortened to:

 Me.Filter = "[FKCompanyID] = " & Me.[txtWholesalerID]

 This assumes a numeric.  If ID is text, then:

 Me.Filter = "[FKCompanyID] = " & chr$(34) &
[Forms]!frmOrders![txtWholesalerID] & chr$(34)

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Benson
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 05:50 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value

I want to filter a form, when a toggle is depressed based on a control value
on my form. When that control changes, I want the filter to be applied. I
have tried without success to set the filter a myriad of different ways, and
whatever I try, the filter is ineffective (returns no records) when I use
any of these attempts.

I have tried:
         Filter = "FKCompanyID= [Forms]!frmOrders![txtWholesalerID]"
         Filter = "FKCompanyID= [Forms]!frmOrders!txtWholesalerID"
         Filter = "FKCompanyID=
[Forms]!frmOrders!Controls("txtWholesalerID")
         Filter = "FKCompanyID= [Forms]!frmOrders!cboWholesaler.Column(0)
         Filter = "FKWholesalerID=
Forms(""frmOrders"").Controls(""cboWholesaler"").Column(0)"
         Filter = "FKWholesalerID=
Forms(""frmOrders"").Controls(""txtWholesalerID"")"

Finally, getting desperate, I tried a UDF GetWholesalerID() which returned
the value of one of the controls above, and that would work in the filter.

         Filter = "FKWholesalerID=" & GetWholesaler()

The annoyance though, is that I need to call this in the AfterUpdate event
of the control that drives it, since the function is not volatile - as
reference to a control would be on its own.

Is there any form of compliant syntax which will allow me to establish a
direct dependence between the filter and the referenced control?



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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Thu Dec 25 17:21:53 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 18:21:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value
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	<09F35D1C0E994431B38EA690745DA468@XPS>
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But that is not any better than using the UDF Jim (well, a tiny bit less
overhead and a bit more direct). However, when the control changes there
will be no change to what the filter evaluates to when the control changes
value. And that is my goal.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 6:18 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value


 You were close....correct syntax is:

 Me.Filter = "[FKCompanyID] = " & [Forms]!frmOrders![txtWholesalerID]

  if this is frmOrders, then that can be shortened to:

 Me.Filter = "[FKCompanyID] = " & Me.[txtWholesalerID]

 This assumes a numeric.  If ID is text, then:

 Me.Filter = "[FKCompanyID] = " & chr$(34) &
[Forms]!frmOrders![txtWholesalerID] & chr$(34)

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Benson
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 05:50 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value

I want to filter a form, when a toggle is depressed based on a control value
on my form. When that control changes, I want the filter to be applied. I
have tried without success to set the filter a myriad of different ways, and
whatever I try, the filter is ineffective (returns no records) when I use
any of these attempts.

I have tried:
         Filter = "FKCompanyID= [Forms]!frmOrders![txtWholesalerID]"
         Filter = "FKCompanyID= [Forms]!frmOrders!txtWholesalerID"
         Filter = "FKCompanyID=
[Forms]!frmOrders!Controls("txtWholesalerID")
         Filter = "FKCompanyID= [Forms]!frmOrders!cboWholesaler.Column(0)
         Filter = "FKWholesalerID=
Forms(""frmOrders"").Controls(""cboWholesaler"").Column(0)"
         Filter = "FKWholesalerID=
Forms(""frmOrders"").Controls(""txtWholesalerID"")"

Finally, getting desperate, I tried a UDF GetWholesalerID() which returned
the value of one of the controls above, and that would work in the filter.

         Filter = "FKWholesalerID=" & GetWholesaler()

The annoyance though, is that I need to call this in the AfterUpdate event
of the control that drives it, since the function is not volatile - as
reference to a control would be on its own.

Is there any form of compliant syntax which will allow me to establish a
direct dependence between the filter and the referenced control?



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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Thu Dec 25 18:34:43 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 19:34:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Setting the Selected property of an unbound listbox is
	not triggering the AfterUpdate event
Message-ID: <00dd01d020a3$bf166b60$3d434220$@gmail.com>

I have form code running on form1, which has a subform Form2. I am disturbed
that although I wish to set a variety of other controls on subform when the
listindex of that listbox changes, using the AfterUpdate event, it is not
firing. I thought at first it was because I locked it (I want to set it in
code and not allow the user to make changes). However, I specifically unlock
it and still the AfterUpdate event is not firing. That despite the fact that
a very similar listbox's afterupdate on this very same subform is firing,
when I set the Selected property in it.

The code is here. Anyone see anything amiss?


    SQL = "Select FKProductID from OrderProduct where FKOrderID = " &
txtOrderID
    Set R = D.OpenRecordset(SQL)
    If Not R.EOF Then
        R.MoveFirst
        iProductID = R!FKProductID
        Set R = Nothing
        Set Ctrl = Subfrm.Form.Controls("lstProducers")
        iProducerID = DLookup("FKCompanyID", "Product", "ProductID=" &
iProductID)
        Ctrl.Locked = False
        For i = 0 To Ctrl.ListCount - 1
            Ctrl.Selected(i) = False
            If CLng(Ctrl.Column(0, i)) = iProducerID Then
                Ctrl.Selected(i) = True 'The AfterUpdate event for this
listbox does fire
                Ctrl.Locked = True
                Exit For
            End If
        Next
    
        Set Ctrl = Subfrm.Form.Controls("lstProduct")
        Ctrl.Locked = False
        For i = 0 To Ctrl.ListCount - 1
            Ctrl.Selected(i) = False
            If CLng(Ctrl.Column(0, i)) = iProductID Then
                Ctrl.Selected(i) = True 'The AfterUpdate event for this
listbox does not fire even though this value changes from False to True
                Ctrl.Locked = True
                Exit For
            End If
        Next
    
    
    End If


From bensonforums at gmail.com  Thu Dec 25 19:49:59 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 20:49:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Setting the Selected property of an unbound listbox
	is not triggering the AfterUpdate event
In-Reply-To: <00dd01d020a3$bf166b60$3d434220$@gmail.com>
References: <00dd01d020a3$bf166b60$3d434220$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00e001d020ae$42b1a0c0$c814e240$@gmail.com>

You know what? I gave up! I don't know if I was doing anything wrong or not,
but the entire listbox structure for Products and Producers was a holdover
from my standalone form (frmProducts) where the user actually had an
opportunity to select and edit these entities. The current situation is one
where the user has already selected an Order Item Number - which just
requires a lookup to the exact Product (and Producer) that that Order Item
represents... therefore there is no reason to display the Products or the
Producers as a listbox and select the needed value; the user can't make any
other choices in those controls once the Order Item was selected, so I just
changed the controls to unbound text boxes, and set them via DLookups and
the like. Problem solved; mystery remains. Access cracked corn and I don't
care, Access cracked corn and I don't care, Access cracked corn and I don't
care, my problem's gone away. I am sure you've all sung that song a time or
two!

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Benson [mailto:bensonforums at gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 7:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Setting the Selected property of an unbound listbox is not
triggering the AfterUpdate event

I have form code running on form1, which has a subform Form2. I am disturbed
that although I wish to set a variety of other controls on subform when the
listindex of that listbox changes, using the AfterUpdate event, it is not
firing. I thought at first it was because I locked it (I want to set it in
code and not allow the user to make changes). However, I specifically unlock
it and still the AfterUpdate event is not firing. That despite the fact that
a very similar listbox's afterupdate on this very same subform is firing,
when I set the Selected property in it.

The code is here. Anyone see anything amiss?


    SQL = "Select FKProductID from OrderProduct where FKOrderID = " &
txtOrderID
    Set R = D.OpenRecordset(SQL)
    If Not R.EOF Then
        R.MoveFirst
        iProductID = R!FKProductID
        Set R = Nothing
        Set Ctrl = Subfrm.Form.Controls("lstProducers")
        iProducerID = DLookup("FKCompanyID", "Product", "ProductID=" &
iProductID)
        Ctrl.Locked = False
        For i = 0 To Ctrl.ListCount - 1
            Ctrl.Selected(i) = False
            If CLng(Ctrl.Column(0, i)) = iProducerID Then
                Ctrl.Selected(i) = True 'The AfterUpdate event for this
listbox does fire
                Ctrl.Locked = True
                Exit For
            End If
        Next
    
        Set Ctrl = Subfrm.Form.Controls("lstProduct")
        Ctrl.Locked = False
        For i = 0 To Ctrl.ListCount - 1
            Ctrl.Selected(i) = False
            If CLng(Ctrl.Column(0, i)) = iProductID Then
                Ctrl.Selected(i) = True 'The AfterUpdate event for this
listbox does not fire even though this value changes from False to True
                Ctrl.Locked = True
                Exit For
            End If
        Next
    
    
    End If



From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Dec 26 08:35:16 2014
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 09:35:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value
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References: <00db01d02095$2cc55450$864ffcf0$@gmail.com>
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I guess I am missing the point of the question and not understanding what
you are trying to do.

You've got to set the filter.  It can be a generic control reference in the
filter string, but your still going to need to do something in the
AfterUpdate of a control to force the form to apply the filter even so.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Benson
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 06:22 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value

But that is not any better than using the UDF Jim (well, a tiny bit less
overhead and a bit more direct). However, when the control changes there
will be no change to what the filter evaluates to when the control changes
value. And that is my goal.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 6:18 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value


 You were close....correct syntax is:

 Me.Filter = "[FKCompanyID] = " & [Forms]!frmOrders![txtWholesalerID]

  if this is frmOrders, then that can be shortened to:

 Me.Filter = "[FKCompanyID] = " & Me.[txtWholesalerID]

 This assumes a numeric.  If ID is text, then:

 Me.Filter = "[FKCompanyID] = " & chr$(34) &
[Forms]!frmOrders![txtWholesalerID] & chr$(34)

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Benson
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 05:50 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value

I want to filter a form, when a toggle is depressed based on a control value
on my form. When that control changes, I want the filter to be applied. I
have tried without success to set the filter a myriad of different ways, and
whatever I try, the filter is ineffective (returns no records) when I use
any of these attempts.

I have tried:
         Filter = "FKCompanyID= [Forms]!frmOrders![txtWholesalerID]"
         Filter = "FKCompanyID= [Forms]!frmOrders!txtWholesalerID"
         Filter = "FKCompanyID=
[Forms]!frmOrders!Controls("txtWholesalerID")
         Filter = "FKCompanyID= [Forms]!frmOrders!cboWholesaler.Column(0)
         Filter = "FKWholesalerID=
Forms(""frmOrders"").Controls(""cboWholesaler"").Column(0)"
         Filter = "FKWholesalerID=
Forms(""frmOrders"").Controls(""txtWholesalerID"")"

Finally, getting desperate, I tried a UDF GetWholesalerID() which returned
the value of one of the controls above, and that would work in the filter.

         Filter = "FKWholesalerID=" & GetWholesaler()

The annoyance though, is that I need to call this in the AfterUpdate event
of the control that drives it, since the function is not volatile - as
reference to a control would be on its own.

Is there any form of compliant syntax which will allow me to establish a
direct dependence between the filter and the referenced control?



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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Dec 26 09:05:07 2014
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 07:05:07 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value
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Are you setting the Filter On property too?  I seem to recall needing to
set filter on to False, setting the filter, and then setting filter on to
True.

Charlotte

On Thu, Dec 25, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com> wrote:

> I want to filter a form, when a toggle is depressed based on a control
> value on my form. When that control changes, I want the filter to be
> applied. I have tried without success to set the filter a myriad of
> different ways, and whatever I try, the filter is ineffective (returns no
> records) when I use any of these attempts.
>
> I have tried:
>          Filter = "FKCompanyID= [Forms]!frmOrders![txtWholesalerID]"
>          Filter = "FKCompanyID= [Forms]!frmOrders!txtWholesalerID"
>          Filter = "FKCompanyID=
> [Forms]!frmOrders!Controls("txtWholesalerID")
>          Filter = "FKCompanyID= [Forms]!frmOrders!cboWholesaler.Column(0)
>          Filter = "FKWholesalerID=
> Forms(""frmOrders"").Controls(""cboWholesaler"").Column(0)"
>          Filter = "FKWholesalerID=
> Forms(""frmOrders"").Controls(""txtWholesalerID"")"
>
> Finally, getting desperate, I tried a UDF GetWholesalerID() which returned
> the value of one of the controls above, and that would work in the filter.
>
>          Filter = "FKWholesalerID=" & GetWholesaler()
>
> The annoyance though, is that I need to call this in the AfterUpdate event
> of the control that drives it, since the function is not volatile - as
> reference to a control would be on its own.
>
> Is there any form of compliant syntax which will allow me to establish a
> direct dependence between the filter and the referenced control?
>
>
>
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Fri Dec 26 09:31:42 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 10:31:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value
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Yes, but I gave up.
On Dec 26, 2014 10:08 AM, "Charlotte Foust" <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Are you setting the Filter On property too?  I seem to recall needing to
> set filter on to False, setting the filter, and then setting filter on to
> True.
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Thu, Dec 25, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I want to filter a form, when a toggle is depressed based on a control
> > value on my form. When that control changes, I want the filter to be
> > applied. I have tried without success to set the filter a myriad of
> > different ways, and whatever I try, the filter is ineffective (returns no
> > records) when I use any of these attempts.
> >
> > I have tried:
> >          Filter = "FKCompanyID= [Forms]!frmOrders![txtWholesalerID]"
> >          Filter = "FKCompanyID= [Forms]!frmOrders!txtWholesalerID"
> >          Filter = "FKCompanyID=
> > [Forms]!frmOrders!Controls("txtWholesalerID")
> >          Filter = "FKCompanyID= [Forms]!frmOrders!cboWholesaler.Column(0)
> >          Filter = "FKWholesalerID=
> > Forms(""frmOrders"").Controls(""cboWholesaler"").Column(0)"
> >          Filter = "FKWholesalerID=
> > Forms(""frmOrders"").Controls(""txtWholesalerID"")"
> >
> > Finally, getting desperate, I tried a UDF GetWholesalerID() which
> returned
> > the value of one of the controls above, and that would work in the
> filter.
> >
> >          Filter = "FKWholesalerID=" & GetWholesaler()
> >
> > The annoyance though, is that I need to call this in the AfterUpdate
> event
> > of the control that drives it, since the function is not volatile - as
> > reference to a control would be on its own.
> >
> > Is there any form of compliant syntax which will allow me to establish a
> > direct dependence between the filter and the referenced control?
> >
> >
> >
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Fri Dec 26 09:38:25 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 10:38:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value
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That's what I thought Jim. As I wrote, since this filter doesn't reapply
itself the way a control source would, I gave up on filter.

To better explain, what I really wanted was a filter to be formulaic. But
it never is, it can be set US ING a formula,  but it is always going to be
a fixed string.

By contrast, a controlsource is also a string but Access recomputes what it
should display - and can be set to depend on a function or another control.
A filter apparently doesn't do those kinds of things, I was just using
wishful thinking.
On Dec 26, 2014 9:35 AM, "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>
> I guess I am missing the point of the question and not understanding what
> you are trying to do.
>
> You've got to set the filter.  It can be a generic control reference in the
> filter string, but your still going to need to do something in the
> AfterUpdate of a control to force the form to apply the filter even so.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Benson
> Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 06:22 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value
>
> But that is not any better than using the UDF Jim (well, a tiny bit less
> overhead and a bit more direct). However, when the control changes there
> will be no change to what the filter evaluates to when the control changes
> value. And that is my goal.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 6:18 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value
>
>
>  You were close....correct syntax is:
>
>  Me.Filter = "[FKCompanyID] = " & [Forms]!frmOrders![txtWholesalerID]
>
>   if this is frmOrders, then that can be shortened to:
>
>  Me.Filter = "[FKCompanyID] = " & Me.[txtWholesalerID]
>
>  This assumes a numeric.  If ID is text, then:
>
>  Me.Filter = "[FKCompanyID] = " & chr$(34) &
> [Forms]!frmOrders![txtWholesalerID] & chr$(34)
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Benson
> Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 05:50 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value
>
> I want to filter a form, when a toggle is depressed based on a control
> value
> on my form. When that control changes, I want the filter to be applied. I
> have tried without success to set the filter a myriad of different ways,
> and
> whatever I try, the filter is ineffective (returns no records) when I use
> any of these attempts.
>
> I have tried:
>          Filter = "FKCompanyID= [Forms]!frmOrders![txtWholesalerID]"
>          Filter = "FKCompanyID= [Forms]!frmOrders!txtWholesalerID"
>          Filter = "FKCompanyID=
> [Forms]!frmOrders!Controls("txtWholesalerID")
>          Filter = "FKCompanyID= [Forms]!frmOrders!cboWholesaler.Column(0)
>          Filter = "FKWholesalerID=
> Forms(""frmOrders"").Controls(""cboWholesaler"").Column(0)"
>          Filter = "FKWholesalerID=
> Forms(""frmOrders"").Controls(""txtWholesalerID"")"
>
> Finally, getting desperate, I tried a UDF GetWholesalerID() which returned
> the value of one of the controls above, and that would work in the filter.
>
>          Filter = "FKWholesalerID=" & GetWholesaler()
>
> The annoyance though, is that I need to call this in the AfterUpdate event
> of the control that drives it, since the function is not volatile - as
> reference to a control would be on its own.
>
> Is there any form of compliant syntax which will allow me to establish a
> direct dependence between the filter and the referenced control?
>
>
>
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Dec 26 10:03:05 2014
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 11:03:05 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value
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Think I understand now, but what your looking for is not built-in.

Even if a filter has a control reference (it can be 'formulaic'), it's not
automatically going to be applied because a control changes.  It's just not
wired up the same way as a bound control is to a record source.

One way or another (menu or code), the filter needs to be applied.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Benson
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 10:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value

That's what I thought Jim. As I wrote, since this filter doesn't reapply
itself the way a control source would, I gave up on filter.

To better explain, what I really wanted was a filter to be formulaic. But
it never is, it can be set US ING a formula,  but it is always going to be
a fixed string.

By contrast, a controlsource is also a string but Access recomputes what it
should display - and can be set to depend on a function or another control.
A filter apparently doesn't do those kinds of things, I was just using
wishful thinking.
On Dec 26, 2014 9:35 AM, "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>
> I guess I am missing the point of the question and not understanding what
> you are trying to do.
>
> You've got to set the filter.  It can be a generic control reference in
the
> filter string, but your still going to need to do something in the
> AfterUpdate of a control to force the form to apply the filter even so.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Benson
> Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 06:22 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value
>
> But that is not any better than using the UDF Jim (well, a tiny bit less
> overhead and a bit more direct). However, when the control changes there
> will be no change to what the filter evaluates to when the control changes
> value. And that is my goal.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 6:18 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value
>
>
>  You were close....correct syntax is:
>
>  Me.Filter = "[FKCompanyID] = " & [Forms]!frmOrders![txtWholesalerID]
>
>   if this is frmOrders, then that can be shortened to:
>
>  Me.Filter = "[FKCompanyID] = " & Me.[txtWholesalerID]
>
>  This assumes a numeric.  If ID is text, then:
>
>  Me.Filter = "[FKCompanyID] = " & chr$(34) &
> [Forms]!frmOrders![txtWholesalerID] & chr$(34)
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Benson
> Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 05:50 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value
>
> I want to filter a form, when a toggle is depressed based on a control
> value
> on my form. When that control changes, I want the filter to be applied. I
> have tried without success to set the filter a myriad of different ways,
> and
> whatever I try, the filter is ineffective (returns no records) when I use
> any of these attempts.
>
> I have tried:
>          Filter = "FKCompanyID= [Forms]!frmOrders![txtWholesalerID]"
>          Filter = "FKCompanyID= [Forms]!frmOrders!txtWholesalerID"
>          Filter = "FKCompanyID=
> [Forms]!frmOrders!Controls("txtWholesalerID")
>          Filter = "FKCompanyID= [Forms]!frmOrders!cboWholesaler.Column(0)
>          Filter = "FKWholesalerID=
> Forms(""frmOrders"").Controls(""cboWholesaler"").Column(0)"
>          Filter = "FKWholesalerID=
> Forms(""frmOrders"").Controls(""txtWholesalerID"")"
>
> Finally, getting desperate, I tried a UDF GetWholesalerID() which returned
> the value of one of the controls above, and that would work in the filter.
>
>          Filter = "FKWholesalerID=" & GetWholesaler()
>
> The annoyance though, is that I need to call this in the AfterUpdate event
> of the control that drives it, since the function is not volatile - as
> reference to a control would be on its own.
>
> Is there any form of compliant syntax which will allow me to establish a
> direct dependence between the filter and the referenced control?
>
>
>
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Fri Dec 26 12:35:42 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 13:35:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value
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Thanks Jim for confirming.

On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net>
wrote:

>
> Think I understand now, but what your looking for is not built-in.
>
> Even if a filter has a control reference (it can be 'formulaic'), it's not
> automatically going to be applied because a control changes.  It's just not
> wired up the same way as a bound control is to a record source.
>
> One way or another (menu or code), the filter needs to be applied.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Benson
> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 10:38 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value
>
> That's what I thought Jim. As I wrote, since this filter doesn't reapply
> itself the way a control source would, I gave up on filter.
>
> To better explain, what I really wanted was a filter to be formulaic. But
> it never is, it can be set US ING a formula,  but it is always going to be
> a fixed string.
>
> By contrast, a controlsource is also a string but Access recomputes what it
> should display - and can be set to depend on a function or another control.
> A filter apparently doesn't do those kinds of things, I was just using
> wishful thinking.
> On Dec 26, 2014 9:35 AM, "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I guess I am missing the point of the question and not understanding what
> > you are trying to do.
> >
> > You've got to set the filter.  It can be a generic control reference in
> the
> > filter string, but your still going to need to do something in the
> > AfterUpdate of a control to force the form to apply the filter even so.
> >
> > Jim.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Benson
> > Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 06:22 PM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value
> >
> > But that is not any better than using the UDF Jim (well, a tiny bit less
> > overhead and a bit more direct). However, when the control changes there
> > will be no change to what the filter evaluates to when the control
> changes
> > value. And that is my goal.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> > Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 6:18 PM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value
> >
> >
> >  You were close....correct syntax is:
> >
> >  Me.Filter = "[FKCompanyID] = " & [Forms]!frmOrders![txtWholesalerID]
> >
> >   if this is frmOrders, then that can be shortened to:
> >
> >  Me.Filter = "[FKCompanyID] = " & Me.[txtWholesalerID]
> >
> >  This assumes a numeric.  If ID is text, then:
> >
> >  Me.Filter = "[FKCompanyID] = " & chr$(34) &
> > [Forms]!frmOrders![txtWholesalerID] & chr$(34)
> >
> > Jim.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Benson
> > Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 05:50 PM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value
> >
> > I want to filter a form, when a toggle is depressed based on a control
> > value
> > on my form. When that control changes, I want the filter to be applied. I
> > have tried without success to set the filter a myriad of different ways,
> > and
> > whatever I try, the filter is ineffective (returns no records) when I use
> > any of these attempts.
> >
> > I have tried:
> >          Filter = "FKCompanyID= [Forms]!frmOrders![txtWholesalerID]"
> >          Filter = "FKCompanyID= [Forms]!frmOrders!txtWholesalerID"
> >          Filter = "FKCompanyID=
> > [Forms]!frmOrders!Controls("txtWholesalerID")
> >          Filter = "FKCompanyID= [Forms]!frmOrders!cboWholesaler.Column(0)
> >          Filter = "FKWholesalerID=
> > Forms(""frmOrders"").Controls(""cboWholesaler"").Column(0)"
> >          Filter = "FKWholesalerID=
> > Forms(""frmOrders"").Controls(""txtWholesalerID"")"
> >
> > Finally, getting desperate, I tried a UDF GetWholesalerID() which
> returned
> > the value of one of the controls above, and that would work in the
> filter.
> >
> >          Filter = "FKWholesalerID=" & GetWholesaler()
> >
> > The annoyance though, is that I need to call this in the AfterUpdate
> event
> > of the control that drives it, since the function is not volatile - as
> > reference to a control would be on its own.
> >
> > Is there any form of compliant syntax which will allow me to establish a
> > direct dependence between the filter and the referenced control?
> >
> >
> >
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Sat Dec 27 10:22:36 2014
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 11:22:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met_wvFm2nRG1+Ey1OXwL11OM0mGC8dVicLCyzqQPB6xSUw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00db01d02095$2cc55450$864ffcf0$@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met_wvFm2nRG1+Ey1OXwL11OM0mGC8dVicLCyzqQPB6xSUw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <009d01d021f1$53ba7d30$fb2f7790$@net>

Yes, that toggle is required. Filters are very tricky.

>
> Are you setting the Filter On property too?  I seem to recall needing
> to
> set filter on to False, setting the filter, and then setting filter on
> to
> True.
>
> Charlotte
>



From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Dec 27 11:00:58 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 17:00:58 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value
In-Reply-To: <009d01d021f1$53ba7d30$fb2f7790$@net>
References: <00db01d02095$2cc55450$864ffcf0$@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met_wvFm2nRG1+Ey1OXwL11OM0mGC8dVicLCyzqQPB6xSUw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<009d01d021f1$53ba7d30$fb2f7790$@net>
Message-ID: <1419699657497.14014@cactus.dk>

Hi Bill

No, filters are not very tricky. But the filter can only be changed if something tells it so.
So either you will have to use the AfterUpdate event of the other form to reapply the filter, or you can use the OnActivate event of the form to check if the value to filter for has changed on the other form.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Mark Simms <marksimms at verizon.net>
Sendt: 27. december 2014 17:22
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value

Yes, that toggle is required. Filters are very tricky.

>
> Are you setting the Filter On property too?  I seem to recall needing to
> set filter on to False, setting the filter, and then setting filter on to True.
>
> Charlotte

From bensonforums at gmail.com  Sat Dec 27 14:42:18 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 15:42:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Resequence All Autonum Fields - a tentative approach
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_092go+ScQRjfA+mUU35-vuhxXQOZeakP2Zcrm7Erb8Sg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have written this routine to autonumber field in the table.
> If someone wants to kick its tires and see if it handles their complex
> database, great - but I suggest making a backup (perhaps more than one!).
>
>
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-Klb4AlrC9JaExTV1p3d2JBSXc/view?usp=sharing


> Order of steps:
> 1) checks the max PK value, make sure there is room to add all records
> again without hitting
>    Const HIGHEST_POSSIBLE_VALUE = 2147483647
>
> 2) Preserve indexes in a table, then delete them
>
> 3) Duplicate records so that there are equivalents in a higher range
>
> 4) Swap all values appearing in related tables that reference this table's
> PK in their foreign key
>    I am not sure if I handle multi-column FK references appropriately.
>
> 5) Delete the predecessor records from the table
>
> 6) Seeds in HIGHEST_POSSIBLE_VALUE = 2147483647 to the table; seed in 0
> to the table;
>
> 7) duplicates all records again, reusing the range 1, 2, 3 ... for PK
>
> 8) Swap all values appearing in related tables that reference this table's
> PK in their foreign key
>    I am not sure if I handle multi-column FK references appropriately.
>
> 9) Remove the no longer needed higher PK range of duplicate records
>
> 10) Replace indexes
>
> Note1: The routine only works on Fields / Foreign Keys that are long
> integer, and are autoincrementing (it tests).
>
> Note2: No doubt others have created even more robust routines, this was my
> 1st attempt.
>
> Note3: I will get flamed as creating something that serves no legitimate
> purpose in the database. Oh well, everyone is entitled to their own set of
> principles.
>
> Note4: If the routine pauses with errors in the midst - that is for
> debugging purposes; don't count on your database maintaining state... I
> would fix the code and start again from backup.
>
> Note5: There will be bypassed errors when indexes are stored and
> re-created for those items which are bound up in relationships.
>
>

From bensonforums at gmail.com  Sat Dec 27 14:59:34 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 15:59:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value
In-Reply-To: <1419699657497.14014@cactus.dk>
References: <00db01d02095$2cc55450$864ffcf0$@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met_wvFm2nRG1+Ey1OXwL11OM0mGC8dVicLCyzqQPB6xSUw@mail.gmail.com>
	<009d01d021f1$53ba7d30$fb2f7790$@net>
	<1419699657497.14014@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_2FHZ69oYjx9_chGT87hpLhd5TVw4ZMP6y+SwoBjqjgUw@mail.gmail.com>

I have used filters sometimes in the past, and the way they interact with
filteron, their picky syntax, the inability to set and forget them, because
they are not dynamic like a controlsource; they are easy to be made
obsolete.

And I usually can't recall whether recordsetclone is or is not affected by
the filter when filteron  is true, I have to keep looking that up!

I give them the well earned label of "tricky"; I also wish there were a
filters collection for increments and decremental filters.
On Dec 27, 2014 12:03 PM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Bill
>
> No, filters are not very tricky. But the filter can only be changed if
> something tells it so.
> So either you will have to use the AfterUpdate event of the other form to
> reapply the filter, or you can use the OnActivate event of the form to
> check if the value to filter for has changed on the other form.
>
> /gustav
>
> ________________________________________
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Mark Simms <
> marksimms at verizon.net>
> Sendt: 27. december 2014 17:22
> Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value
>
> Yes, that toggle is required. Filters are very tricky.
>
> >
> > Are you setting the Filter On property too?  I seem to recall needing to
> > set filter on to False, setting the filter, and then setting filter on
> to True.
> >
> > Charlotte
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Dec 27 16:01:13 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 22:01:13 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_2FHZ69oYjx9_chGT87hpLhd5TVw4ZMP6y+SwoBjqjgUw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00db01d02095$2cc55450$864ffcf0$@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met_wvFm2nRG1+Ey1OXwL11OM0mGC8dVicLCyzqQPB6xSUw@mail.gmail.com>
	<009d01d021f1$53ba7d30$fb2f7790$@net>
	<1419699657497.14014@cactus.dk>,
	<CAJLzs_2FHZ69oYjx9_chGT87hpLhd5TVw4ZMP6y+SwoBjqjgUw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1419717672777.38391@cactus.dk>

Hi Bill

If this is your problem, just set (or remove) filters by code when you open the form.

Also, I think all of us have to look up items regularly.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com>
Sendt: 27. december 2014 21:59
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value

I have used filters sometimes in the past, and the way they interact with
filteron, their picky syntax, the inability to set and forget them, because
they are not dynamic like a controlsource; they are easy to be made
obsolete.

And I usually can't recall whether recordsetclone is or is not affected by
the filter when filteron  is true, I have to keep looking that up!

I give them the well earned label of "tricky"; I also wish there were a
filters collection for increments and decremental filters.
On Dec 27, 2014 12:03 PM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Bill
>
> No, filters are not very tricky. But the filter can only be changed if
> something tells it so.
> So either you will have to use the AfterUpdate event of the other form to
> reapply the filter, or you can use the OnActivate event of the form to
> check if the value to filter for has changed on the other form.
>
> /gustav
>
> ________________________________________
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Mark Simms <
> marksimms at verizon.net>
> Sendt: 27. december 2014 17:22
> Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value
>
> Yes, that toggle is required. Filters are very tricky.
>
> >
> > Are you setting the Filter On property too?  I seem to recall needing to
> > set filter on to False, setting the filter, and then setting filter on to True.
> >
> > Charlotte

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Sat Dec 27 17:44:26 2014
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 15:44:26 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Resequence All Autonum Fields - a tentative approach
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_092go+ScQRjfA+mUU35-vuhxXQOZeakP2Zcrm7Erb8Sg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJLzs_092go+ScQRjfA+mUU35-vuhxXQOZeakP2Zcrm7Erb8Sg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met8VVobp60PQn9b9uNXo0YCcuuWNj-3-2EURb-HsieeP1Q@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry, but why do you even want to do this?  Autonumbers aren't
necessarily sequential.  So what?  If you need sequential add a surrogate
key and make it sequential.  Changing a PK means all its relationships have
to be updated

Charlotte
On Dec 27, 2014 12:45 PM, "Bill Benson" <bensonforums at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I have written this routine to autonumber field in the table.
> > If someone wants to kick its tires and see if it handles their complex
> > database, great - but I suggest making a backup (perhaps more than one!).
> >
> >
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-Klb4AlrC9JaExTV1p3d2JBSXc/view?usp=sharing
>
>
> > Order of steps:
> > 1) checks the max PK value, make sure there is room to add all records
> > again without hitting
> >    Const HIGHEST_POSSIBLE_VALUE = 2147483647
> >
> > 2) Preserve indexes in a table, then delete them
> >
> > 3) Duplicate records so that there are equivalents in a higher range
> >
> > 4) Swap all values appearing in related tables that reference this
> table's
> > PK in their foreign key
> >    I am not sure if I handle multi-column FK references appropriately.
> >
> > 5) Delete the predecessor records from the table
> >
> > 6) Seeds in HIGHEST_POSSIBLE_VALUE = 2147483647 to the table; seed in 0
> > to the table;
> >
> > 7) duplicates all records again, reusing the range 1, 2, 3 ... for PK
> >
> > 8) Swap all values appearing in related tables that reference this
> table's
> > PK in their foreign key
> >    I am not sure if I handle multi-column FK references appropriately.
> >
> > 9) Remove the no longer needed higher PK range of duplicate records
> >
> > 10) Replace indexes
> >
> > Note1: The routine only works on Fields / Foreign Keys that are long
> > integer, and are autoincrementing (it tests).
> >
> > Note2: No doubt others have created even more robust routines, this was
> my
> > 1st attempt.
> >
> > Note3: I will get flamed as creating something that serves no legitimate
> > purpose in the database. Oh well, everyone is entitled to their own set
> of
> > principles.
> >
> > Note4: If the routine pauses with errors in the midst - that is for
> > debugging purposes; don't count on your database maintaining state... I
> > would fix the code and start again from backup.
> >
> > Note5: There will be bypassed errors when indexes are stored and
> > re-created for those items which are bound up in relationships.
> >
> >
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Sat Dec 27 18:08:40 2014
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 19:08:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Resequence All Autonum Fields - a tentative approach
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met8VVobp60PQn9b9uNXo0YCcuuWNj-3-2EURb-HsieeP1Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJLzs_092go+ScQRjfA+mUU35-vuhxXQOZeakP2Zcrm7Erb8Sg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met8VVobp60PQn9b9uNXo0YCcuuWNj-3-2EURb-HsieeP1Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <38941D74-73BC-4806-8526-EEA47A9A75AA@verizon.net>

I'm with Charlotte; what's the problem your trying to solve?

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 27, 2014, at 6:44 PM, Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Sorry, but why do you even want to do this?  Autonumbers aren't
> necessarily sequential.  So what?  If you need sequential add a surrogate
> key and make it sequential.  Changing a PK means all its relationships have
> to be updated
> 
> Charlotte
>> On Dec 27, 2014 12:45 PM, "Bill Benson" <bensonforums at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have written this routine to autonumber field in the table.
>>> If someone wants to kick its tires and see if it handles their complex
>>> database, great - but I suggest making a backup (perhaps more than one!).
>> 
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-Klb4AlrC9JaExTV1p3d2JBSXc/view?usp=sharing
>> 
>> 
>>> Order of steps:
>>> 1) checks the max PK value, make sure there is room to add all records
>>> again without hitting
>>>   Const HIGHEST_POSSIBLE_VALUE = 2147483647
>>> 
>>> 2) Preserve indexes in a table, then delete them
>>> 
>>> 3) Duplicate records so that there are equivalents in a higher range
>>> 
>>> 4) Swap all values appearing in related tables that reference this
>> table's
>>> PK in their foreign key
>>>   I am not sure if I handle multi-column FK references appropriately.
>>> 
>>> 5) Delete the predecessor records from the table
>>> 
>>> 6) Seeds in HIGHEST_POSSIBLE_VALUE = 2147483647 to the table; seed in 0
>>> to the table;
>>> 
>>> 7) duplicates all records again, reusing the range 1, 2, 3 ... for PK
>>> 
>>> 8) Swap all values appearing in related tables that reference this
>> table's
>>> PK in their foreign key
>>>   I am not sure if I handle multi-column FK references appropriately.
>>> 
>>> 9) Remove the no longer needed higher PK range of duplicate records
>>> 
>>> 10) Replace indexes
>>> 
>>> Note1: The routine only works on Fields / Foreign Keys that are long
>>> integer, and are autoincrementing (it tests).
>>> 
>>> Note2: No doubt others have created even more robust routines, this was
>> my
>>> 1st attempt.
>>> 
>>> Note3: I will get flamed as creating something that serves no legitimate
>>> purpose in the database. Oh well, everyone is entitled to their own set
>> of
>>> principles.
>>> 
>>> Note4: If the routine pauses with errors in the midst - that is for
>>> debugging purposes; don't count on your database maintaining state... I
>>> would fix the code and start again from backup.
>>> 
>>> Note5: There will be bypassed errors when indexes are stored and
>>> re-created for those items which are bound up in relationships.
>> --
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Sat Dec 27 19:29:56 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 20:29:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Resequence All Autonum Fields - a tentative approach
In-Reply-To: <38941D74-73BC-4806-8526-EEA47A9A75AA@verizon.net>
References: <CAJLzs_092go+ScQRjfA+mUU35-vuhxXQOZeakP2Zcrm7Erb8Sg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met8VVobp60PQn9b9uNXo0YCcuuWNj-3-2EURb-HsieeP1Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<38941D74-73BC-4806-8526-EEA47A9A75AA@verizon.net>
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??Changing a PK means all its relationships have
> to be updated

which I solved. And that was the challenge in this for me, which I solved -
something Jim you would have recognized if you looked through the code or
the notes I wrote above the routine.

I only did such a project just to see if it could be done. As for why,
well, I don't like index id's that are out sequence, particularly in fairly
young databases such as the ones I am actively developing. I am a little
ocd, I must admit.

No one else has to think it is useful, but it there really a cause to poop
my party? If you see something flawed in the solution, that would be
helpful to me.

:)

As I wrote in note3

>>> Note3: I will get flamed as creating something that serves no legitimate
>>> purpose in the database. Oh well, everyone is entitled to their own set
>> of principles.

And it was self-fulfilled prophecy on that score.

Thanks for using butane lighters and not flame throwers.


Different strokes for different folks.

On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

> I'm with Charlotte; what's the problem your trying to solve?
>
> Jim
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 27, 2014, at 6:44 PM, Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Sorry, but why do you even want to do this?  Autonumbers aren't
> > necessarily sequential.  So what?  If you need sequential add a surrogate
> > key and make it sequential.  Changing a PK means all its relationships
> have
> > to be updated
> >
> > Charlotte
> >> On Dec 27, 2014 12:45 PM, "Bill Benson" <bensonforums at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I have written this routine to autonumber field in the table.
> >>> If someone wants to kick its tires and see if it handles their complex
> >>> database, great - but I suggest making a backup (perhaps more than
> one!).
> >>
> >>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-Klb4AlrC9JaExTV1p3d2JBSXc/view?usp=sharing
> >>
> >>
> >>> Order of steps:
> >>> 1) checks the max PK value, make sure there is room to add all records
> >>> again without hitting
> >>>   Const HIGHEST_POSSIBLE_VALUE = 2147483647
> >>>
> >>> 2) Preserve indexes in a table, then delete them
> >>>
> >>> 3) Duplicate records so that there are equivalents in a higher range
> >>>
> >>> 4) Swap all values appearing in related tables that reference this
> >> table's
> >>> PK in their foreign key
> >>>   I am not sure if I handle multi-column FK references appropriately.
> >>>
> >>> 5) Delete the predecessor records from the table
> >>>
> >>> 6) Seeds in HIGHEST_POSSIBLE_VALUE = 2147483647 to the table; seed in
> 0
> >>> to the table;
> >>>
> >>> 7) duplicates all records again, reusing the range 1, 2, 3 ... for PK
> >>>
> >>> 8) Swap all values appearing in related tables that reference this
> >> table's
> >>> PK in their foreign key
> >>>   I am not sure if I handle multi-column FK references appropriately.
> >>>
> >>> 9) Remove the no longer needed higher PK range of duplicate records
> >>>
> >>> 10) Replace indexes
> >>>
> >>> Note1: The routine only works on Fields / Foreign Keys that are long
> >>> integer, and are autoincrementing (it tests).
> >>>
> >>> Note2: No doubt others have created even more robust routines, this was
> >> my
> >>> 1st attempt.
> >>>
> >>> Note3: I will get flamed as creating something that serves no
> legitimate
> >>> purpose in the database. Oh well, everyone is entitled to their own set
> >> of
> >>> principles.
> >>>
> >>> Note4: If the routine pauses with errors in the midst - that is for
> >>> debugging purposes; don't count on your database maintaining state... I
> >>> would fix the code and start again from backup.
> >>>
> >>> Note5: There will be bypassed errors when indexes are stored and
> >>> re-created for those items which are bound up in relationships.
> >> --
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> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Sat Dec 27 20:18:26 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 21:18:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value
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Hi Gustav and happy holiday week.

I can't set the filter on form load because the items being filtered on (on
demand) are company id's in 3 different combo boxes. I just have to reset
the filter in the afterupdate event for the combos, testing first to make
sure the filter toggle is true at such time... and also to reset the filter
when a toggle click results in its changing state from false to true. I had
just (through inexperience with how to assign things to a filter in code),
sillily thought that I could "set and forget" -- i.e., tie to the combos
once and for all. Like making a controlsource for a filter. Apparently the
filter property does not behave the way I was thinking it ought but it is
no big deal. Living in a dream world where computers do what I want -- not
the real world.


On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 5:01 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Bill
>
> If this is your problem, just set (or remove) filters by code when you
> open the form.
>
> Also, I think all of us have to look up items regularly.
>
> /gustav
>
> ________________________________________
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Bill Benson <
> bensonforums at gmail.com>
> Sendt: 27. december 2014 21:59
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value
>
> I have used filters sometimes in the past, and the way they interact with
> filteron, their picky syntax, the inability to set and forget them, because
> they are not dynamic like a controlsource; they are easy to be made
> obsolete.
>
> And I usually can't recall whether recordsetclone is or is not affected by
> the filter when filteron  is true, I have to keep looking that up!
>
> I give them the well earned label of "tricky"; I also wish there were a
> filters collection for increments and decremental filters.
> On Dec 27, 2014 12:03 PM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> > Hi Bill
> >
> > No, filters are not very tricky. But the filter can only be changed if
> > something tells it so.
> > So either you will have to use the AfterUpdate event of the other form to
> > reapply the filter, or you can use the OnActivate event of the form to
> > check if the value to filter for has changed on the other form.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <
> > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Mark Simms <
> > marksimms at verizon.net>
> > Sendt: 27. december 2014 17:22
> > Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Emne: Re: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value
> >
> > Yes, that toggle is required. Filters are very tricky.
> >
> > >
> > > Are you setting the Filter On property too?  I seem to recall needing
> to
> > > set filter on to False, setting the filter, and then setting filter on
> to True.
> > >
> > > Charlotte
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Sat Dec 27 20:31:00 2014
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 21:31:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Resequence All Autonum Fields - a tentative approach
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I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade.  

All I asked was the question why thinking I wasn't understanding something.

Well now that you made the why clear, well there's really not much else to say.

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 27, 2014, at 8:29 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ??Changing a PK means all its relationships have
>> to be updated
> 
> which I solved. And that was the challenge in this for me, which I solved -
> something Jim you would have recognized if you looked through the code or
> the notes I wrote above the routine.
> 
> I only did such a project just to see if it could be done. As for why,
> well, I don't like index id's that are out sequence, particularly in fairly
> young databases such as the ones I am actively developing. I am a little
> ocd, I must admit.
> 
> No one else has to think it is useful, but it there really a cause to poop
> my party? If you see something flawed in the solution, that would be
> helpful to me.
> 
> :)
> 
> As I wrote in note3
> 
>>>> Note3: I will get flamed as creating something that serves no legitimate
>>>> purpose in the database. Oh well, everyone is entitled to their own set
>>> of principles.
> 
> And it was self-fulfilled prophecy on that score.
> 
> Thanks for using butane lighters and not flame throwers.
> 
> 
> Different strokes for different folks.
> 
>> On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm with Charlotte; what's the problem your trying to solve?
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Dec 27, 2014, at 6:44 PM, Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sorry, but why do you even want to do this?  Autonumbers aren't
>>> necessarily sequential.  So what?  If you need sequential add a surrogate
>>> key and make it sequential.  Changing a PK means all its relationships
>> have
>>> to be updated
>>> 
>>> Charlotte
>>>> On Dec 27, 2014 12:45 PM, "Bill Benson" <bensonforums at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I have written this routine to autonumber field in the table.
>>>>> If someone wants to kick its tires and see if it handles their complex
>>>>> database, great - but I suggest making a backup (perhaps more than
>> one!).
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-Klb4AlrC9JaExTV1p3d2JBSXc/view?usp=sharing
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Order of steps:
>>>>> 1) checks the max PK value, make sure there is room to add all records
>>>>> again without hitting
>>>>>  Const HIGHEST_POSSIBLE_VALUE = 2147483647
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2) Preserve indexes in a table, then delete them
>>>>> 
>>>>> 3) Duplicate records so that there are equivalents in a higher range
>>>>> 
>>>>> 4) Swap all values appearing in related tables that reference this
>>>> table's
>>>>> PK in their foreign key
>>>>>  I am not sure if I handle multi-column FK references appropriately.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 5) Delete the predecessor records from the table
>>>>> 
>>>>> 6) Seeds in HIGHEST_POSSIBLE_VALUE = 2147483647 to the table; seed in
>> 0
>>>>> to the table;
>>>>> 
>>>>> 7) duplicates all records again, reusing the range 1, 2, 3 ... for PK
>>>>> 
>>>>> 8) Swap all values appearing in related tables that reference this
>>>> table's
>>>>> PK in their foreign key
>>>>>  I am not sure if I handle multi-column FK references appropriately.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 9) Remove the no longer needed higher PK range of duplicate records
>>>>> 
>>>>> 10) Replace indexes
>>>>> 
>>>>> Note1: The routine only works on Fields / Foreign Keys that are long
>>>>> integer, and are autoincrementing (it tests).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Note2: No doubt others have created even more robust routines, this was
>>>> my
>>>>> 1st attempt.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Note3: I will get flamed as creating something that serves no
>> legitimate
>>>>> purpose in the database. Oh well, everyone is entitled to their own set
>>>> of
>>>>> principles.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Note4: If the routine pauses with errors in the midst - that is for
>>>>> debugging purposes; don't count on your database maintaining state... I
>>>>> would fix the code and start again from backup.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Note5: There will be bypassed errors when indexes are stored and
>>>>> re-created for those items which are bound up in relationships.
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Sun Dec 28 00:03:55 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 01:03:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Resequence All Autonum Fields - a tentative approach
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Some of what I wrote responded to  Charlotte, however you did lead off with
"I'm with Charlotte." Jim! By the way, Charlotte wrote:

"all [the] relationships have to be updated". I think that is technically
inaccurate, perhaps she meant resequencing would require updating values in
related tables. (Charlotte, if not clear, that's the purpose of steps 4 and
10, which the code handles pretty efficiently.) Or did you really mean
there is some aspect of the relationship I am neglecting? I hope not!

Now I will put my "sober professional" hat on and join these sensible
colleagues in sternly advising AGAINST using my own creation.

(1) not genuinely useful, as stated by others (2) potential to cause
irreparable damage to data if interrupted or unforeseen error occurs -
backup, backup, backup (3) probably doomed to fail in a multi user
environment, or replication projects. For sure it makes data no longer
consistent with historical records in external, integrated systems no
longer fully integrated with your database.

I see this maybe as a method I can use in pre-release, sample data
environments to keep ID'S visually easy to inspect and observe changes more
readily. That's about it.

All of that said...

The amount of learning I gained by this exercise was significant, whiefly
with respect to the DAO object model, and it was fun making use of a bit of
learning gained here on this list with respect to auto umber field values
"tripping" when a certain high value is reached. Very cool use of that
fact, I think I get some credit for thinking creatively, no?

The most challenging part for me was creating valid records for insertion
into a table that is related to many tables with referential integrity set.
I solved that using the relation object model to get the foreign tables and
the foreignname of the related pk fields... then used Dmin() to get a valid
value from each table to update the temp table's dummy record (s) with real
data - otherwise I couldn't append it's records to the table I was trying
to resequence.

Good night all.
 On Dec 27, 2014 9:33 PM, "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

> I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade.
>
> All I asked was the question why thinking I wasn't understanding something.
>
> Well now that you made the why clear, well there's really not much else to
> say.
>
> Jim
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 27, 2014, at 8:29 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ??Changing a PK means all its relationships have
> >> to be updated
> >
> > which I solved. And that was the challenge in this for me, which I
> solved -
> > something Jim you would have recognized if you looked through the code or
> > the notes I wrote above the routine.
> >
> > I only did such a project just to see if it could be done. As for why,
> > well, I don't like index id's that are out sequence, particularly in
> fairly
> > young databases such as the ones I am actively developing. I am a little
> > ocd, I must admit.
> >
> > No one else has to think it is useful, but it there really a cause to
> poop
> > my party? If you see something flawed in the solution, that would be
> > helpful to me.
> >
> > :)
> >
> > As I wrote in note3
> >
> >>>> Note3: I will get flamed as creating something that serves no
> legitimate
> >>>> purpose in the database. Oh well, everyone is entitled to their own
> set
> >>> of principles.
> >
> > And it was self-fulfilled prophecy on that score.
> >
> > Thanks for using butane lighters and not flame throwers.
> >
> >
> > Different strokes for different folks.
> >
> >> On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm with Charlotte; what's the problem your trying to solve?
> >>
> >> Jim
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>>> On Dec 27, 2014, at 6:44 PM, Charlotte Foust <
> charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Sorry, but why do you even want to do this?  Autonumbers aren't
> >>> necessarily sequential.  So what?  If you need sequential add a
> surrogate
> >>> key and make it sequential.  Changing a PK means all its relationships
> >> have
> >>> to be updated
> >>>
> >>> Charlotte
> >>>> On Dec 27, 2014 12:45 PM, "Bill Benson" <bensonforums at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I have written this routine to autonumber field in the table.
> >>>>> If someone wants to kick its tires and see if it handles their
> complex
> >>>>> database, great - but I suggest making a backup (perhaps more than
> >> one!).
> >>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-Klb4AlrC9JaExTV1p3d2JBSXc/view?usp=sharing
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Order of steps:
> >>>>> 1) checks the max PK value, make sure there is room to add all
> records
> >>>>> again without hitting
> >>>>>  Const HIGHEST_POSSIBLE_VALUE = 2147483647
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2) Preserve indexes in a table, then delete them
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 3) Duplicate records so that there are equivalents in a higher range
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 4) Swap all values appearing in related tables that reference this
> >>>> table's
> >>>>> PK in their foreign key
> >>>>>  I am not sure if I handle multi-column FK references appropriately.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 5) Delete the predecessor records from the table
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 6) Seeds in HIGHEST_POSSIBLE_VALUE = 2147483647 to the table; seed
> in
> >> 0
> >>>>> to the table;
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 7) duplicates all records again, reusing the range 1, 2, 3 ... for PK
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 8) Swap all values appearing in related tables that reference this
> >>>> table's
> >>>>> PK in their foreign key
> >>>>>  I am not sure if I handle multi-column FK references appropriately.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 9) Remove the no longer needed higher PK range of duplicate records
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 10) Replace indexes
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Note1: The routine only works on Fields / Foreign Keys that are long
> >>>>> integer, and are autoincrementing (it tests).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Note2: No doubt others have created even more robust routines, this
> was
> >>>> my
> >>>>> 1st attempt.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Note3: I will get flamed as creating something that serves no
> >> legitimate
> >>>>> purpose in the database. Oh well, everyone is entitled to their own
> set
> >>>> of
> >>>>> principles.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Note4: If the routine pauses with errors in the midst - that is for
> >>>>> debugging purposes; don't count on your database maintaining
> state... I
> >>>>> would fix the code and start again from backup.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Note5: There will be bypassed errors when indexes are stored and
> >>>>> re-created for those items which are bound up in relationships.
> >>>> --
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Sun Dec 28 00:05:08 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 01:05:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Resequence All Autonum Fields - a tentative approach
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Steps 4 and 8 were the ones I meant had to do with updating values.
On Dec 28, 2014 1:03 AM, "Bill Benson" <bensonforums at gmail.com> wrote:

> Some of what I wrote responded to  Charlotte, however you did lead off
> with "I'm with Charlotte." Jim! By the way, Charlotte wrote:
>
> "all [the] relationships have to be updated". I think that is technically
> inaccurate, perhaps she meant resequencing would require updating values in
> related tables. (Charlotte, if not clear, that's the purpose of steps 4 and
> 10, which the code handles pretty efficiently.) Or did you really mean
> there is some aspect of the relationship I am neglecting? I hope not!
>
> Now I will put my "sober professional" hat on and join these sensible
> colleagues in sternly advising AGAINST using my own creation.
>
> (1) not genuinely useful, as stated by others (2) potential to cause
> irreparable damage to data if interrupted or unforeseen error occurs -
> backup, backup, backup (3) probably doomed to fail in a multi user
> environment, or replication projects. For sure it makes data no longer
> consistent with historical records in external, integrated systems no
> longer fully integrated with your database.
>
> I see this maybe as a method I can use in pre-release, sample data
> environments to keep ID'S visually easy to inspect and observe changes more
> readily. That's about it.
>
> All of that said...
>
> The amount of learning I gained by this exercise was significant, whiefly
> with respect to the DAO object model, and it was fun making use of a bit of
> learning gained here on this list with respect to auto umber field values
> "tripping" when a certain high value is reached. Very cool use of that
> fact, I think I get some credit for thinking creatively, no?
>
> The most challenging part for me was creating valid records for insertion
> into a table that is related to many tables with referential integrity set.
> I solved that using the relation object model to get the foreign tables and
> the foreignname of the related pk fields... then used Dmin() to get a valid
> value from each table to update the temp table's dummy record (s) with real
> data - otherwise I couldn't append it's records to the table I was trying
> to resequence.
>
> Good night all.
>  On Dec 27, 2014 9:33 PM, "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade.
>>
>> All I asked was the question why thinking I wasn't understanding
>> something.
>>
>> Well now that you made the why clear, well there's really not much else
>> to say.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Dec 27, 2014, at 8:29 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > ??Changing a PK means all its relationships have
>> >> to be updated
>> >
>> > which I solved. And that was the challenge in this for me, which I
>> solved -
>> > something Jim you would have recognized if you looked through the code
>> or
>> > the notes I wrote above the routine.
>> >
>> > I only did such a project just to see if it could be done. As for why,
>> > well, I don't like index id's that are out sequence, particularly in
>> fairly
>> > young databases such as the ones I am actively developing. I am a little
>> > ocd, I must admit.
>> >
>> > No one else has to think it is useful, but it there really a cause to
>> poop
>> > my party? If you see something flawed in the solution, that would be
>> > helpful to me.
>> >
>> > :)
>> >
>> > As I wrote in note3
>> >
>> >>>> Note3: I will get flamed as creating something that serves no
>> legitimate
>> >>>> purpose in the database. Oh well, everyone is entitled to their own
>> set
>> >>> of principles.
>> >
>> > And it was self-fulfilled prophecy on that score.
>> >
>> > Thanks for using butane lighters and not flame throwers.
>> >
>> >
>> > Different strokes for different folks.
>> >
>> >> On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I'm with Charlotte; what's the problem your trying to solve?
>> >>
>> >> Jim
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >>>> On Dec 27, 2014, at 6:44 PM, Charlotte Foust <
>> charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Sorry, but why do you even want to do this?  Autonumbers aren't
>> >>> necessarily sequential.  So what?  If you need sequential add a
>> surrogate
>> >>> key and make it sequential.  Changing a PK means all its relationships
>> >> have
>> >>> to be updated
>> >>>
>> >>> Charlotte
>> >>>> On Dec 27, 2014 12:45 PM, "Bill Benson" <bensonforums at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com
>> >
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> I have written this routine to autonumber field in the table.
>> >>>>> If someone wants to kick its tires and see if it handles their
>> complex
>> >>>>> database, great - but I suggest making a backup (perhaps more than
>> >> one!).
>> >>
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-Klb4AlrC9JaExTV1p3d2JBSXc/view?usp=sharing
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Order of steps:
>> >>>>> 1) checks the max PK value, make sure there is room to add all
>> records
>> >>>>> again without hitting
>> >>>>>  Const HIGHEST_POSSIBLE_VALUE = 2147483647
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 2) Preserve indexes in a table, then delete them
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 3) Duplicate records so that there are equivalents in a higher range
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 4) Swap all values appearing in related tables that reference this
>> >>>> table's
>> >>>>> PK in their foreign key
>> >>>>>  I am not sure if I handle multi-column FK references appropriately.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 5) Delete the predecessor records from the table
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 6) Seeds in HIGHEST_POSSIBLE_VALUE = 2147483647 to the table; seed
>> in
>> >> 0
>> >>>>> to the table;
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 7) duplicates all records again, reusing the range 1, 2, 3 ... for
>> PK
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 8) Swap all values appearing in related tables that reference this
>> >>>> table's
>> >>>>> PK in their foreign key
>> >>>>>  I am not sure if I handle multi-column FK references appropriately.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 9) Remove the no longer needed higher PK range of duplicate records
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 10) Replace indexes
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Note1: The routine only works on Fields / Foreign Keys that are long
>> >>>>> integer, and are autoincrementing (it tests).
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Note2: No doubt others have created even more robust routines, this
>> was
>> >>>> my
>> >>>>> 1st attempt.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Note3: I will get flamed as creating something that serves no
>> >> legitimate
>> >>>>> purpose in the database. Oh well, everyone is entitled to their own
>> set
>> >>>> of
>> >>>>> principles.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Note4: If the routine pauses with errors in the midst - that is for
>> >>>>> debugging purposes; don't count on your database maintaining
>> state... I
>> >>>>> would fix the code and start again from backup.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Note5: There will be bypassed errors when indexes are stored and
>> >>>>> re-created for those items which are bound up in relationships.
>> >>>> --
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>> >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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>>
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>>
>

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 15:22:08 2014
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 13:22:08 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value
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Another way might be to modify the source queries for the combo boxes to
use a TempVar to filter the returned records.  The same TempVar can be used
for all 3 comboboxes, and you can create a a loop in the OnCurrent event to
test for a change in the TempVar value and then requery the combos.

Charlotte

On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 6:18 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Gustav and happy holiday week.
>
> I can't set the filter on form load because the items being filtered on (on
> demand) are company id's in 3 different combo boxes. I just have to reset
> the filter in the afterupdate event for the combos, testing first to make
> sure the filter toggle is true at such time... and also to reset the filter
> when a toggle click results in its changing state from false to true. I had
> just (through inexperience with how to assign things to a filter in code),
> sillily thought that I could "set and forget" -- i.e., tie to the combos
> once and for all. Like making a controlsource for a filter. Apparently the
> filter property does not behave the way I was thinking it ought but it is
> no big deal. Living in a dream world where computers do what I want -- not
> the real world.
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 5:01 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> > Hi Bill
> >
> > If this is your problem, just set (or remove) filters by code when you
> > open the form.
> >
> > Also, I think all of us have to look up items regularly.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <
> > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Bill Benson <
> > bensonforums at gmail.com>
> > Sendt: 27. december 2014 21:59
> > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Emne: Re: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value
> >
> > I have used filters sometimes in the past, and the way they interact with
> > filteron, their picky syntax, the inability to set and forget them,
> because
> > they are not dynamic like a controlsource; they are easy to be made
> > obsolete.
> >
> > And I usually can't recall whether recordsetclone is or is not affected
> by
> > the filter when filteron  is true, I have to keep looking that up!
> >
> > I give them the well earned label of "tricky"; I also wish there were a
> > filters collection for increments and decremental filters.
> > On Dec 27, 2014 12:03 PM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Bill
> > >
> > > No, filters are not very tricky. But the filter can only be changed if
> > > something tells it so.
> > > So either you will have to use the AfterUpdate event of the other form
> to
> > > reapply the filter, or you can use the OnActivate event of the form to
> > > check if the value to filter for has changed on the other form.
> > >
> > > /gustav
> > >
> > > ________________________________________
> > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <
> > > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Mark Simms <
> > > marksimms at verizon.net>
> > > Sendt: 27. december 2014 17:22
> > > Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Emne: Re: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value
> > >
> > > Yes, that toggle is required. Filters are very tricky.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Are you setting the Filter On property too?  I seem to recall needing
> > to
> > > > set filter on to False, setting the filter, and then setting filter
> on
> > to True.
> > > >
> > > > Charlotte
> > --
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> >
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>

From bensonforums at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 15:42:06 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 16:42:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value
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Thank you and I probably don't follow all that Tempvar stuff, however I
don't sense that it meets my needs in this situation...

For one thing, the combos are for the purpose of setting (or selecting)
companyids for either existing or new orders, and it is not my intent to
restrict them.

My solution is working just fine, this whole thread was not for any other
purpose to see if a filter was dynamic, and I have learned that it is not.
On Dec 29, 2014 4:25 PM, "Charlotte Foust" <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Another way might be to modify the source queries for the combo boxes to
> use a TempVar to filter the returned records.  The same TempVar can be used
> for all 3 comboboxes, and you can create a a loop in the OnCurrent event to
> test for a change in the TempVar value and then requery the combos.
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 6:18 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Gustav and happy holiday week.
> >
> > I can't set the filter on form load because the items being filtered on
> (on
> > demand) are company id's in 3 different combo boxes. I just have to reset
> > the filter in the afterupdate event for the combos, testing first to make
> > sure the filter toggle is true at such time... and also to reset the
> filter
> > when a toggle click results in its changing state from false to true. I
> had
> > just (through inexperience with how to assign things to a filter in
> code),
> > sillily thought that I could "set and forget" -- i.e., tie to the combos
> > once and for all. Like making a controlsource for a filter. Apparently
> the
> > filter property does not behave the way I was thinking it ought but it is
> > no big deal. Living in a dream world where computers do what I want --
> not
> > the real world.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 5:01 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Bill
> > >
> > > If this is your problem, just set (or remove) filters by code when you
> > > open the form.
> > >
> > > Also, I think all of us have to look up items regularly.
> > >
> > > /gustav
> > >
> > > ________________________________________
> > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <
> > > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Bill Benson <
> > > bensonforums at gmail.com>
> > > Sendt: 27. december 2014 21:59
> > > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Emne: Re: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value
> > >
> > > I have used filters sometimes in the past, and the way they interact
> with
> > > filteron, their picky syntax, the inability to set and forget them,
> > because
> > > they are not dynamic like a controlsource; they are easy to be made
> > > obsolete.
> > >
> > > And I usually can't recall whether recordsetclone is or is not affected
> > by
> > > the filter when filteron  is true, I have to keep looking that up!
> > >
> > > I give them the well earned label of "tricky"; I also wish there were a
> > > filters collection for increments and decremental filters.
> > > On Dec 27, 2014 12:03 PM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Bill
> > > >
> > > > No, filters are not very tricky. But the filter can only be changed
> if
> > > > something tells it so.
> > > > So either you will have to use the AfterUpdate event of the other
> form
> > to
> > > > reapply the filter, or you can use the OnActivate event of the form
> to
> > > > check if the value to filter for has changed on the other form.
> > > >
> > > > /gustav
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________________
> > > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <
> > > > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Mark Simms <
> > > > marksimms at verizon.net>
> > > > Sendt: 27. december 2014 17:22
> > > > Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > > Emne: Re: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value
> > > >
> > > > Yes, that toggle is required. Filters are very tricky.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Are you setting the Filter On property too?  I seem to recall
> needing
> > > to
> > > > > set filter on to False, setting the filter, and then setting filter
> > on
> > > to True.
> > > > >
> > > > > Charlotte
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 18:10:07 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 19:10:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value
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Tempvars are a convenient solution, but their big problem is that they are
only respected in the most recent versions of Access. And that is one
serious problem. The most recent alternatives are two other approaches:
static functions and classes. See my previous posts on static funcs and
JC's posts on classes, from which I have learned a ton. Both, in my view,
present useful solutions, and I have incorporated both within a single
project.

IMO, TempVars was a lame attempt to solve a universal problem. JWC and I
have both provided far better solutions.

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you and I probably don't follow all that Tempvar stuff, however I
> don't sense that it meets my needs in this situation...
>
> For one thing, the combos are for the purpose of setting (or selecting)
> companyids for either existing or new orders, and it is not my intent to
> restrict them.
>
> My solution is working just fine, this whole thread was not for any other
> purpose to see if a filter was dynamic, and I have learned that it is not.
> On Dec 29, 2014 4:25 PM, "Charlotte Foust" <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Another way might be to modify the source queries for the combo boxes to
> > use a TempVar to filter the returned records.  The same TempVar can be
> used
> > for all 3 comboboxes, and you can create a a loop in the OnCurrent event
> to
> > test for a change in the TempVar value and then requery the combos.
> >
> > Charlotte
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 6:18 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Gustav and happy holiday week.
> > >
> > > I can't set the filter on form load because the items being filtered on
> > (on
> > > demand) are company id's in 3 different combo boxes. I just have to
> reset
> > > the filter in the afterupdate event for the combos, testing first to
> make
> > > sure the filter toggle is true at such time... and also to reset the
> > filter
> > > when a toggle click results in its changing state from false to true. I
> > had
> > > just (through inexperience with how to assign things to a filter in
> > code),
> > > sillily thought that I could "set and forget" -- i.e., tie to the
> combos
> > > once and for all. Like making a controlsource for a filter. Apparently
> > the
> > > filter property does not behave the way I was thinking it ought but it
> is
> > > no big deal. Living in a dream world where computers do what I want --
> > not
> > > the real world.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 5:01 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Bill
> > > >
> > > > If this is your problem, just set (or remove) filters by code when
> you
> > > > open the form.
> > > >
> > > > Also, I think all of us have to look up items regularly.
> > > >
> > > > /gustav
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________________
> > > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <
> > > > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Bill Benson <
> > > > bensonforums at gmail.com>
> > > > Sendt: 27. december 2014 21:59
> > > > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Emne: Re: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value
> > > >
> > > > I have used filters sometimes in the past, and the way they interact
> > with
> > > > filteron, their picky syntax, the inability to set and forget them,
> > > because
> > > > they are not dynamic like a controlsource; they are easy to be made
> > > > obsolete.
> > > >
> > > > And I usually can't recall whether recordsetclone is or is not
> affected
> > > by
> > > > the filter when filteron  is true, I have to keep looking that up!
> > > >
> > > > I give them the well earned label of "tricky"; I also wish there
> were a
> > > > filters collection for increments and decremental filters.
> > > > On Dec 27, 2014 12:03 PM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Bill
> > > > >
> > > > > No, filters are not very tricky. But the filter can only be changed
> > if
> > > > > something tells it so.
> > > > > So either you will have to use the AfterUpdate event of the other
> > form
> > > to
> > > > > reapply the filter, or you can use the OnActivate event of the form
> > to
> > > > > check if the value to filter for has changed on the other form.
> > > > >
> > > > > /gustav
> > > > >
> > > > > ________________________________________
> > > > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <
> > > > > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Mark Simms <
> > > > > marksimms at verizon.net>
> > > > > Sendt: 27. december 2014 17:22
> > > > > Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > > > Emne: Re: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, that toggle is required. Filters are very tricky.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Are you setting the Filter On property too?  I seem to recall
> > needing
> > > > to
> > > > > > set filter on to False, setting the filter, and then setting
> filter
> > > on
> > > > to True.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Charlotte
> > > > --
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> >
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Arthur

From bensonforums at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 19:11:23 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 20:11:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value
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Thanks for presenting ideas, however to elevate them to a status of
"solution(s)" to the problem which I originally presented -- and frankly,
which I no longer have because I have stopped giving a damn - is either to
(1) not address my ignorance of how and why they apply to someone wanting
to filter forms, not controls (ie, it was mentioned before about altering
the rowsource of the control, which I have no need nor intention to do) or
(2) is demonstrating that people are really not clear what it is I had set
out to do.

I am more than willing to keep up an effort to correspond, but am utterly
lost as to how anything so far mentioned is going to help me cause the form
to dynamically filter itself if/when the combo boxes change and ONLY if the
filter toggle button I placed on the form is in the True state; and to
relinquish the filter, without affecting any of the combo boxes, when that
state becomes false again - without use of events for the combos and for
the toggle button.

Is this thread getting hijacked I wonder? If not, if these Tempvars and
classes in ANY way make filtering a dynamic activity that makes tying the
filter to a control and then "forgetting" about it in terms of events,
letting "variables" or "classes" take over - then please make that case,
make it clearly, perhaps present an example, and yes, I will prepare myself
to be amazed and well pleased.

Thanks for your kind attention colleagues!

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 7:10 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Tempvars are a convenient solution, but their big problem is that they are
> only respected in the most recent versions of Access. And that is one
> serious problem. The most recent alternatives are two other approaches:
> static functions and classes. See my previous posts on static funcs and
> JC's posts on classes, from which I have learned a ton. Both, in my view,
> present useful solutions, and I have incorporated both within a single
> project.
>
> IMO, TempVars was a lame attempt to solve a universal problem. JWC and I
> have both provided far better solutions.
>
> On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Thank you and I probably don't follow all that Tempvar stuff, however I
> > don't sense that it meets my needs in this situation...
> >
> > For one thing, the combos are for the purpose of setting (or selecting)
> > companyids for either existing or new orders, and it is not my intent to
> > restrict them.
> >
> > My solution is working just fine, this whole thread was not for any other
> > purpose to see if a filter was dynamic, and I have learned that it is
> not.
> > On Dec 29, 2014 4:25 PM, "Charlotte Foust" <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Another way might be to modify the source queries for the combo boxes
> to
> > > use a TempVar to filter the returned records.  The same TempVar can be
> > used
> > > for all 3 comboboxes, and you can create a a loop in the OnCurrent
> event
> > to
> > > test for a change in the TempVar value and then requery the combos.
> > >
> > > Charlotte
> > >
> > > On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 6:18 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Gustav and happy holiday week.
> > > >
> > > > I can't set the filter on form load because the items being filtered
> on
> > > (on
> > > > demand) are company id's in 3 different combo boxes. I just have to
> > reset
> > > > the filter in the afterupdate event for the combos, testing first to
> > make
> > > > sure the filter toggle is true at such time... and also to reset the
> > > filter
> > > > when a toggle click results in its changing state from false to
> true. I
> > > had
> > > > just (through inexperience with how to assign things to a filter in
> > > code),
> > > > sillily thought that I could "set and forget" -- i.e., tie to the
> > combos
> > > > once and for all. Like making a controlsource for a filter.
> Apparently
> > > the
> > > > filter property does not behave the way I was thinking it ought but
> it
> > is
> > > > no big deal. Living in a dream world where computers do what I want
> --
> > > not
> > > > the real world.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 5:01 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Bill
> > > > >
> > > > > If this is your problem, just set (or remove) filters by code when
> > you
> > > > > open the form.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, I think all of us have to look up items regularly.
> > > > >
> > > > > /gustav
> > > > >
> > > > > ________________________________________
> > > > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <
> > > > > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Bill Benson <
> > > > > bensonforums at gmail.com>
> > > > > Sendt: 27. december 2014 21:59
> > > > > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > > Emne: Re: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value
> > > > >
> > > > > I have used filters sometimes in the past, and the way they
> interact
> > > with
> > > > > filteron, their picky syntax, the inability to set and forget them,
> > > > because
> > > > > they are not dynamic like a controlsource; they are easy to be made
> > > > > obsolete.
> > > > >
> > > > > And I usually can't recall whether recordsetclone is or is not
> > affected
> > > > by
> > > > > the filter when filteron  is true, I have to keep looking that up!
> > > > >
> > > > > I give them the well earned label of "tricky"; I also wish there
> > were a
> > > > > filters collection for increments and decremental filters.
> > > > > On Dec 27, 2014 12:03 PM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Bill
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No, filters are not very tricky. But the filter can only be
> changed
> > > if
> > > > > > something tells it so.
> > > > > > So either you will have to use the AfterUpdate event of the other
> > > form
> > > > to
> > > > > > reapply the filter, or you can use the OnActivate event of the
> form
> > > to
> > > > > > check if the value to filter for has changed on the other form.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > /gustav
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ________________________________________
> > > > > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <
> > > > > > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Mark Simms <
> > > > > > marksimms at verizon.net>
> > > > > > Sendt: 27. december 2014 17:22
> > > > > > Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > > > > Emne: Re: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, that toggle is required. Filters are very tricky.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Are you setting the Filter On property too?  I seem to recall
> > > needing
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > set filter on to False, setting the filter, and then setting
> > filter
> > > > on
> > > > > to True.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Charlotte
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 20:46:01 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 21:46:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Enabled controls not appearing grayed out?
Message-ID: <00cd01d023da$c085eef0$4191ccd0$@gmail.com>

I am wondering if everyone is experiencing this.

 

For controls that do not have a controlsource on my forms, when their
enabled property is false, they appear grayed out - but when there is a
controlsource (which makes them uneditable in any case) - they do not appear
grayed out?

 

I guess I don't see this as a problem per se, but it is a distinction that I
am not particularly enamored of, I just wondered if maybe it is my version
of Access (2013) which is misbehaving - as it seems to in other situations
from time to time.

 

Bill


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Dec 29 21:36:01 2014
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 22:36:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Enabled controls not appearing grayed out?
In-Reply-To: <00cd01d023da$c085eef0$4191ccd0$@gmail.com>
References: <00cd01d023da$c085eef0$4191ccd0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <77757972-E3E8-4BB6-AEF7-C012EB906683@verizon.net>

If you set the lock property true, they will not appear grayed out.  Check that.

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 29, 2014, at 9:46 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I am wondering if everyone is experiencing this.
> 
> 
> 
> For controls that do not have a controlsource on my forms, when their
> enabled property is false, they appear grayed out - but when there is a
> controlsource (which makes them uneditable in any case) - they do not appear
> grayed out?
> 
> 
> 
> I guess I don't see this as a problem per se, but it is a distinction that I
> am not particularly enamored of, I just wondered if maybe it is my version
> of Access (2013) which is misbehaving - as it seems to in other situations
> from time to time.
> 
> 
> 
> Bill
> 
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 21:41:10 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 22:41:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value
In-Reply-To: <00df01d023de$7009d9b0$501d8d10$@gmail.com>
References: <00db01d02095$2cc55450$864ffcf0$@gmail.com>	<CAH+Met_wvFm2nRG1+Ey1OXwL11OM0mGC8dVicLCyzqQPB6xSUw@mail.gmail.com>	<009d01d021f1$53ba7d30$fb2f7790$@net>	<1419699657497.14014@cactus.dk>	<CAJLzs_2FHZ69oYjx9_chGT87hpLhd5TVw4ZMP6y+SwoBjqjgUw@mail.gmail.com>	<1419717672777.38391@cactus.dk>	<CAJLzs_1bLkoCVDntT2ipoE=OjZX9oOHnzexNdN-95Up536qqVA@mail.gmail.com>	<CAH+Met_iidPC5Ttjf5GyNjc9kyAaozifiUZqhwwoc3GH1QyO5Q@mail.gmail.com>	<CAJLzs_2VJ9Hd49mVFCfq3QTWJ0EKtWMo3_XqevY0yBpk+cUpHw@mail.gmail.com>	<CAEPJO1hcQ_edEH44PXXdVFn9Q6SGTcJw0XuQGXJ6NbZOHB1A+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJLzs_3Er7f+PtDRhOSR4eoLOXS6LP03+BfEWPZ-95YSRMYTJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<00df01d023de$7009d9b0$501d8d10$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00e801d023e2$746065c0$5d213140$@gmail.com>

 

The below was meant in a spirit of good humor, I don?t want you friends to take it as a rant? the part about thread being hijacked was tongue in cheek. Much can be learned by the new information shared on a single thread. Doesn?t leave me any less confused but so be it.

 

From: Bill Benson [mailto:bensonforums at gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 8:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value

 

Thanks for presenting ideas, however to elevate them to a status of "solution(s)" to the problem which I originally presented -- and frankly, which I no longer have because I have stopped giving a damn - is either to (1) not address my ignorance of how and why they apply to someone wanting to filter forms, not controls (ie, it was mentioned before about altering the rowsource of the control, which I have no need nor intention to do) or (2) is demonstrating that people are really not clear what it is I had set out to do.

 

I am more than willing to keep up an effort to correspond, but am utterly lost as to how anything so far mentioned is going to help me cause the form to dynamically filter itself if/when the combo boxes change and ONLY if the filter toggle button I placed on the form is in the True state; and to relinquish the filter, without affecting any of the combo boxes, when that state becomes false again - without use of events for the combos and for the toggle button.

 

Is this thread getting hijacked I wonder? If not, if these Tempvars and classes in ANY way make filtering a dynamic activity that makes tying the filter to a control and then "forgetting" about it in terms of events, letting "variables" or "classes" take over - then please make that case, make it clearly, perhaps present an example, and yes, I will prepare myself to be amazed and well pleased.

 

Thanks for your kind attention colleagues!

 

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 7:10 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com <mailto:fuller.artful at gmail.com> > wrote:

Tempvars are a convenient solution, but their big problem is that they are
only respected in the most recent versions of Access. And that is one
serious problem. The most recent alternatives are two other approaches:
static functions and classes. See my previous posts on static funcs and
JC's posts on classes, from which I have learned a ton. Both, in my view,
present useful solutions, and I have incorporated both within a single
project.

IMO, TempVars was a lame attempt to solve a universal problem. JWC and I
have both provided far better solutions.


On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com <mailto:bensonforums at gmail.com> > wrote:



 


From bensonforums at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 23:37:40 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 00:37:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Enabled controls not appearing grayed out?
In-Reply-To: <77757972-E3E8-4BB6-AEF7-C012EB906683@verizon.net>
References: <00cd01d023da$c085eef0$4191ccd0$@gmail.com>
	<77757972-E3E8-4BB6-AEF7-C012EB906683@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_0Zp_kuPvKq1c-EqJTU=A9M__ADnQzimCb8AC6J3N0sNg@mail.gmail.com>

No doubt! That's good thinking jim, will check ma?ana.
On Dec 29, 2014 10:38 PM, "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

> If you set the lock property true, they will not appear grayed out.  Check
> that.
>
> Jim
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 29, 2014, at 9:46 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I am wondering if everyone is experiencing this.
> >
> >
> >
> > For controls that do not have a controlsource on my forms, when their
> > enabled property is false, they appear grayed out - but when there is a
> > controlsource (which makes them uneditable in any case) - they do not
> appear
> > grayed out?
> >
> >
> >
> > I guess I don't see this as a problem per se, but it is a distinction
> that I
> > am not particularly enamored of, I just wondered if maybe it is my
> version
> > of Access (2013) which is misbehaving - as it seems to in other
> situations
> > from time to time.
> >
> >
> >
> > Bill
> >
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From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz  Tue Dec 30 00:50:44 2014
From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 19:50:44 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Enabled controls not appearing grayed out?
In-Reply-To: <00cd01d023da$c085eef0$4191ccd0$@gmail.com>
References: <00cd01d023da$c085eef0$4191ccd0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6F7B9CA1EA5545B0B60DC342C2E5D3E5@SteveT540p>

Hi Bill

How does having a Control Source make them uneditable?

Regards
Steve

-----Original Message----- 
From: Bill Benson
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 3:46 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Enabled controls not appearing grayed out?

I am wondering if everyone is experiencing this.

For controls that do not have a controlsource on my forms, when their
enabled property is false, they appear grayed out - but when there is a
controlsource (which makes them uneditable in any case) - they do not appear
grayed out?

I guess I don't see this as a problem per se, but it is a distinction that I
am not particularly enamored of, I just wondered if maybe it is my version
of Access (2013) which is misbehaving - as it seems to in other situations
from time to time.

Bill


From bensonforums at gmail.com  Tue Dec 30 02:43:20 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 03:43:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Enabled controls not appearing grayed out?
In-Reply-To: <6F7B9CA1EA5545B0B60DC342C2E5D3E5@SteveT540p>
References: <00cd01d023da$c085eef0$4191ccd0$@gmail.com>
	<6F7B9CA1EA5545B0B60DC342C2E5D3E5@SteveT540p>
Message-ID: <000801d0240c$aaf31810$00d94830$@gmail.com>

When the controlsource is a formula, that cannot be changed in the UI.
Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Enabled controls not appearing grayed out?

Hi Bill

How does having a Control Source make them uneditable?

Regards
Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Benson
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 3:46 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Enabled controls not appearing grayed out?

I am wondering if everyone is experiencing this.

For controls that do not have a controlsource on my forms, when their
enabled property is false, they appear grayed out - but when there is a
controlsource (which makes them uneditable in any case) - they do not appear
grayed out?

I guess I don't see this as a problem per se, but it is a distinction that I
am not particularly enamored of, I just wondered if maybe it is my version
of Access (2013) which is misbehaving - as it seems to in other situations
from time to time.

Bill

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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Fri Dec 26 19:18:58 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 20:18:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Resequence All Autonum Fields - a tentative approach
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_2A+yr-Xatsa__O=T3iX8n15tDO9ZDw+rtpfBPDheiTBQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have written this routine (ReseedAll calls Reseed on each table that is
not a system table, one by one); The purpose is to resequence every
autonumber field while maintaining data integrity for all the other tables.
I believe it is reasonably robust. Where it is *not* robust is that I just
let it fail with suspended error handling, on the last part where I
re-build indexes, knowing that I have taken care of all unique keys *with
exception* of those Access-generated ones that occur in regards to
relations. The reason for that is that I am just too lazy and inexperienced
to figure out how to iterate through those. However, those are not the ones
preventing duplicates -- and since I never delete them from the database, I
don't produce no sweat about getting an error when "recreating" them.

I have tested this on my databases. If you are interested in using this
routine, I suggest that you make a backup of your own database before
trying it out.

Note that it only works (I think) on Fields / Foreign Keys that are long
integer. I don't think I even check for multi-key primary keys, so I don't
know what it will do to your database if you have multi-column PKs,
non-numeric PKs and FKs, and multi-column FKs. I wouldn't even try it out
if your database is in that condition.

(1) This is probably re-inventing the wheel, someone out there has a better
routine I am more than sure, such as Allen Browne and Roger Carlson. When I
get more energy I will compare this to other routines someone recommends I
check.

(2) Most here will inevitably begin to flame me saying that there is no
need to ever do this anyway, that the purpose of a PK is to be unique, and
it shouldn't matter if values are sequenced or not. Well, since I already
know that --- and this was just an exercised for the anal retentive and
obsessive compulsive... just let me alone please. Well, actually, say what
you want, just be sure to also let us know we can save 15% or more on car
insurance by switching to GEICO, and other things that everybody knows at
the same time - may as well cover all the bases!

(3) at the risk of being redundant, this is a "draft" version. If you want
to kick it around and see if it handles complex database, I would be glad
for advice about where it fails.

Sorry there are few comments. There's a metaphor for this kind of operation
... Towers of Hammurabi comes to mind, but that is not really the one. The
routine essentially checks the max PK value, kills indexes, copies all
records as duplicates deletes switches all the FK values in every other
table that refers to the subject table's PK (single-column) to the higher
number range, one-for-one, with Update queries. Seeds in the largest
autonumber value possible, 2147483647; seeds in 0 to get rid of negatives;
deletes records in the erstwhile lower PK range, duplicates all records
again so that PK sequence will again start with 1; does the swap of FK
values again in all tables that have the FKs to this table's PK, to the
lower range values; then deletes off the higher number range records,
before putting the indexes back on.

Final note:  if the routine pauses with errors in the midst and you let
VarIndexes go out of state after indexes have been removed, you will lose
them. So one thing I will make more robust as a first priority is to store
all the index parameters in a table, so that I can more easily recover them
if there is a problem at runtime.


Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Function ConcatenatePhone(Companyid As Long) As String
Dim R As DAO.Recordset
Dim D As DAO.Database
Set D = CurrentDb
Dim SQL As String
Dim strResult As String
'            P.Phone,
'            T.PhoneType
'            from TblCompany As C  inner Join
'               (TblCompanyPhone as P
'                  inner join TblPhoneType as T  on T.ID = P.FKPhoneTypeID)
on C.ID = P.FKCompanyID WHERE P.ID = 3
SQL = ""
SQL = SQL & " Select P.Phone, T.PhoneType "
SQL = SQL & " from TblCompany as C "
SQL = SQL & " inner Join (TblCompanyPhone as P "
SQL = SQL & " inner join TblPhoneType as T "
SQL = SQL & " on T.ID = P.FKPhoneTypeID)"
SQL = SQL & " on C.ID = P.FKCompanyID"
SQL = SQL & " WHERE C.ID = " & Companyid
Set R = D.OpenRecordset(SQL)
While Not R.EOF
    strResult = strResult & "|" & R!PhoneType & ": " & R!Phone
    R.MoveNext
Wend
If strResult <> "" Then
    strResult = Mid(strResult, 2)
End If
ConcatenatePhone = strResult
End Function
''
''Function MyWholesaler() As Long
''MyWholesaler = CLng(Nz(Screen.ActiveForm.Controls("txtWholesaler"), 0))
''
''End Function
''Function MyRetailer() As Long
''MyRetailer = CLng(Nz(Screen.ActiveForm.Controls("txtRetailer"), 0))
''
''End Function
''
''Function MyMarketer() As Long
''MyMarketer = CLng(Nz(Screen.ActiveForm.Controls("txtMarketer"), 0))
''
''End Function
''
''
''
Sub findcontrol()
Dim Frm As Form
Dim ctrl As Control
Dim str As String
Set Frm = Screen.ActiveForm
For Each ctrl In Frm.Controls
   str = ""
   On Error Resume Next
   str = ctrl.RowSource
   If str <> "" Then
    Debug.Print ctrl.Name & ": " & str
End If
Next
End Sub
Sub PositionCombo(Frm As Form, Ctr As String, iCol As Long, varValue As
Variant)
Dim ctrl As Control
Dim i As Long
Set ctrl = Frm.Controls(Ctr)
ctrl.Requery
For i = 0 To ctrl.ListCount - 1
    If ctrl.Column(iCol, i) = CStr(varValue) Then
        ctrl.Value = i
        Exit For
    End If
Next
End Sub
Sub ReseedAll()
Dim i As Long
Dim T As DAO.TableDef
Dim D As DAO.Database
Set D = CurrentDb
Dim VarTables() As String
ReDim VarTables(1 To D.TableDefs.Count) As String
For Each T In D.TableDefs
    If UCase(Left(T.Name, 4)) <> "MSYS" And Left(T.Name, 1) <> "~" Then
        i = i + 1
        VarTables(i) = T.Name
    End If
Next
For i = 1 To UBound(VarTables)
    If VarTables(i) <> "" Then
    Debug.Print VarTables(i)
    'Stop
        Reseed VarTables(i)
    End If
Next
End Sub
Sub Reseed(strTable As String)
Dim Qdf As DAO.QueryDef
Dim Tdf As DAO.TableDef
Dim TdfDependent As DAO.TableDef
Dim D As DAO.Database
Dim iCol As Long
Dim Frm As Form
Dim i As Long
Dim iRelFields As Long
Dim R1 As DAO.Recordset
Dim R2 As DAO.Recordset
Dim R As DAO.Recordset
Dim FLD As DAO.Field
Dim strField As String
Dim strIndexFields  As String
Dim strFields As String
Dim SQL As String
Dim iMax As Double
Dim Indx As Index
Dim iUnique As Long
Dim iRequired As Long
Set D = CurrentDb
Dim iUB As Long
Dim VarIndexes()
Dim VarFieldsTemp
Dim VarFields() As String
Dim Rel As Relation
Dim fldPK As DAO.Field
Dim strTempFields As String
If strTable = "Temp" Then Exit Sub
On Error Resume Next
For Each Frm In Forms
    DoCmd.Close acForm, Frm.Name, acSaveYes
Next
For Each Qdf In D.QueryDefs
    DoCmd.Close acQuery, Qdf.Name, acSaveYes
Next
For Each Tdf In D.TableDefs
    DoCmd.Close acTable, Tdf.Name
Next
Set Tdf = D.TableDefs(strTable)
For Each FLD In Tdf.Fields

    If FLD.Attributes And dbAutoIncrField Then
        strField = FLD.Name
    Else
        strFields = strFields & ",[" & FLD.Name & "]"
    End If
Next
Err.Clear
DoCmd.DeleteObject acTable, "Temp"
SQL = "Create Table [Temp] ([" & strField & "] Long)"
Err.Clear
D.Execute SQL, dbFailOnError
D.TableDefs.Refresh
If Err.Number <> 0 Then Stop

strFields = Mid(strFields, 2)

iMax = DMax("[" & strField & "]", strTable)
'Remove indexes else we might not be able to put in duplicate items
ReDim VarIndexes(1 To 4, 0 To 0)
For Each Indx In Tdf.Indexes
    If Indx.Name <> "PrimaryKey" Then
        strIndexFields = ""
        For Each FLD In Indx.Fields
            strIndexFields = strIndexFields & ",[" & FLD.Name & "]"
        Next
        strIndexFields = Mid(strIndexFields, 2)
        iUnique = Indx.Unique
        iRequired = Indx.Required
        iUB = UBound(VarIndexes, 2) + 1
        If iUB = 1 Then
            ReDim VarIndexes(1 To 4, 1 To iUB)
        Else
            ReDim Preserve VarIndexes(1 To 4, 1 To iUB)
        End If
        VarIndexes(1, iUB) = Indx.Name
        VarIndexes(2, iUB) = strIndexFields
        VarIndexes(3, iUB) = iUnique
        VarIndexes(4, iUB) = iRequired
    End If
Next
For i = UBound(VarIndexes, 2) To 1 Step -1
    Tdf.Indexes.Delete VarIndexes(1, i)
Next
Tdf.Indexes.Refresh
'insert Duplicates
Err.Clear
SQL = "Insert Into [" & strTable & "] (" & strFields & ") Select " &
strFields & " from [" & strTable & "] order by [" & strField & "] Asc"
D.Execute SQL, dbFailOnError
If Err.Number <> 0 Then Stop
'Loop each dupe record, change fks everywhere to these replacement values
Set R1 = D.OpenRecordset("Select * from [" & strTable & "] WHERE [" &
strField & "] > " & iMax & " ORDER BY [" & strField & "] ASC")
R1.MoveFirst
Set R2 = D.OpenRecordset("Select * from [" & strTable & "] WHERE [" &
strField & "] <= " & iMax & " ORDER BY [" & strField & "] ASC")
R2.MoveFirst
While Not R1.EOF
    On Error GoTo 0
    For Each Rel In D.Relations
        If Rel.Table = Tdf.Name Then
            For iRelFields = 0 To Rel.Fields.Count - 1
                For Each fldPK In Tdf.Indexes("PrimaryKey").Fields
                    If Rel.Fields(iRelFields).Name = fldPK.Name Then
                        SQL = "Update [" & Rel.ForeignTable & "] Set [" &
Rel.Fields(iRelFields).ForeignName & "] = " & R1.Fields(strField) & " WHERE
[" & Rel.Fields(iRelFields).ForeignName & "] = " & R2.Fields(strField)
                        Err.Clear
                        D.Execute SQL, dbFailOnError
                        If Err.Number <> 0 Then Stop
                    End If
                Next
            Next
        End If
    Next
    R1.MoveNext
    R2.MoveNext
Wend
'Delete obsolete records
Err.Clear
D.Execute "Delete From [" & strTable & "] Where [" & strField & "] <=" &
iMax, dbFailOnError
If Err.Number <> 0 Then Stop
ReDim VarFieldsTemp(1 To 2, 0 To 0)
For Each Rel In D.Relations
    If Rel.ForeignTable = strTable Then
        SQL = "ALTER TABLE Temp ADD COLUMN [" & Rel.Fields(0).ForeignName &
"] Long"
        Err.Clear
        D.Execute SQL, dbFailOnError
        If Err.Number <> 0 Then Stop
        iUB = UBound(VarFieldsTemp, 2) + 1
        If iUB = 1 Then
            ReDim VarFieldsTemp(1 To 2, 1 To iUB)
        Else
            ReDim Preserve VarFieldsTemp(1 To 2, 1 To iUB)
        End If
        VarFieldsTemp(1, iUB) = Rel.Fields(0).ForeignName
        VarFieldsTemp(2, iUB) = DMin("[" & Rel.Fields(0).Name & "]",
Rel.Table)

    End If
Next
'insert the highest possible recordid
Err.Clear
D.Execute "Insert into [Temp] ([" & strField & "]) Values (" & 2147483647 &
")", dbFailOnError
If Err.Number <> 0 Then Stop
strTempFields = "[" & strField & "]"
'Put other required values in the table due to FKs in strTable
For i = 1 To UBound(VarFieldsTemp, 2)
    strTempFields = strTempFields & ",[" & VarFieldsTemp(1, i) & "]"
    SQL = "Update [Temp] Set [" & VarFieldsTemp(1, i) & "] = " &
VarFieldsTemp(2, i)
    Err.Clear
    D.Execute SQL, dbFailOnError
    If Err.Number <> 0 Then Stop
Next
'Append this to our main table
Err.Clear
D.Execute "Insert Into [" & strTable & "] (" & strTempFields & ") Select "
& strTempFields & " From [Temp]", dbFailOnError
If Err.Number <> 0 Then Stop
'It was used so now we can remove it so we dont duplicate it
Err.Clear
SQL = "Update [Temp] Set [" & strField & "] = 0"
D.Execute SQL, dbFailOnError
If Err.Number <> 0 Then Stop
Err.Clear
D.Execute "Insert Into [" & strTable & "] (" & strTempFields & ") Select "
& strTempFields & " From [Temp]", dbFailOnError
If Err.Number <> 0 Then Stop
Err.Clear
D.Execute "Delete from [" & strTable & "] Where [" & strField & "] = " &
2147483647, dbFailOnError
If Err.Number <> 0 Then Stop
Err.Clear
D.Execute "Delete from [" & strTable & "] Where [" & strField & "] = " & 0,
dbFailOnError
If Err.Number <> 0 Then Stop
'From here on out all records should be 1, 2, ...
'Add the records in one more time so that they will sequence starting at 1
Err.Clear
D.Execute "Insert Into [" & strTable & "] (" & strFields & ") Select " &
strFields & " from [" & strTable & "] order by [" & strField & "] Asc",
dbFailOnError
If Err.Number <> 0 Then Stop
'Rerun the swap
Set R1 = D.OpenRecordset("Select * from [" & strTable & "] WHERE [" &
strField & "] > " & iMax & " ORDER BY [" & strField & "] ASC")
R1.MoveFirst
Set R2 = D.OpenRecordset("Select * from [" & strTable & "] WHERE [" &
strField & "] <= " & iMax & " ORDER BY [" & strField & "] ASC")
R2.MoveFirst
While Not R1.EOF
    On Error GoTo 0
    For Each Rel In D.Relations
        Debug.Print Rel.Name
        If Rel.Table = Tdf.Name Then
            For iRelFields = 0 To Rel.Fields.Count - 1
                For Each fldPK In Tdf.Indexes("PrimaryKey").Fields
                    If Rel.Fields(iRelFields).Name = fldPK.Name Then
                        SQL = "Update [" & Rel.ForeignTable & "] Set [" &
Rel.Fields(iRelFields).ForeignName & "] = " & R2.Fields(strField) & " WHERE
[" & Rel.Fields(iRelFields).ForeignName & "] = " & R1.Fields(strField)
                        Err.Clear
                        D.Execute SQL, dbFailOnError
                        If Err.Number <> 0 Then Stop
                    End If
                Next
            Next
        End If
    Next
    R1.MoveNext
    R2.MoveNext
Wend
'Delete duplicates, those above iDesiredCount
Err.Clear
D.Execute "Delete from [" & strTable & "] Where [" & strField & "] > " &
iMax, dbFailOnError
If Err.Number <> 0 Then Stop
'Put back indexes after duplicates removed
Set Tdf = Nothing
Set R1 = Nothing
Set R2 = Nothing
For i = 1 To UBound(VarIndexes, 2)
'    Set Indx = Tdf.CreateIndex(VarIndexes(1, i))
'    VarFields = Split(VarIndexes(2, i), ",")
    SQL = "CREATE " & IIf(CBool(VarIndexes(3, i)), " UNIQUE ", "") & "
Index " & VarIndexes(1, i) & " on [" & strTable & "] (" & VarIndexes(2, i)
& ")" & IIf(CBool(VarIndexes(4, i)), " WITH DISALLOW NULL;", ";")
    On Error Resume Next
    D.Execute SQL, dbFailOnError

    'If Err.Number <> 0 Then Stop
Next

'D.Execute "CREATE UNIQUE INDEX CustID " _
        & "ON Customers (CustomerID) " _
        & "WITH DISALLOW NULL;"


Set FLD = Nothing
Set Tdf = Nothing


End Sub

From bensonforums at gmail.com  Sat Dec 27 14:23:16 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 15:23:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Resequence All Autonum Fields - a tentative approach
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_1JXX0qAViYLhhoWQqTAV3QcTn0Z_ufrQkYGnuATGJmPQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have written this routine ReseedAll.
The purpose is to resequence every autonumber field in the table.
If someone wants to kick its tires and see if it handles their complex
database, great - but I suggest making a backup (perhaps more than one!).

Order of steps:
1) checks the max PK value, make sure there is room to add all records
again without hitting
   Const HIGHEST_POSSIBLE_VALUE = 2147483647

2) Preserve indexes in a table, then delete them

3) Duplicate records so that there are equivalents in a higher range

4) Swap all values appearing in related tables that reference this table's
PK in their foreign key
   I am not sure if I handle multi-column FK references appropriately.

5) Delete the predecessor records from the table

6) Seeds in HIGHEST_POSSIBLE_VALUE = 2147483647 to the table; seed in 0 to
the table;

7) duplicates all records again, reusing the range 1, 2, 3 ... for PK

8) Swap all values appearing in related tables that reference this table's
PK in their foreign key
   I am not sure if I handle multi-column FK references appropriately.

9) Remove the no longer needed higher PK range of duplicate records

10) Replace indexes

Note1: The routine only works on Fields / Foreign Keys that are long
integer, and are autoincrementing (it tests).

Note2: No doubt others have created even more robust routines, this was my
1st attempt.

Note3: I will get flamed as creating something that serves no legitimate
purpose in the database. Oh well, everyone is entitled to their own set of
principles.

Note4: If the routine pauses with errors in the midst - that is for
debugging purposes; don't count on your database maintaining state... I
would fix the code and start again from backup.

Note5: There will be bypassed errors when indexes are stored and re-created
for those items which are bound up in relationships.

Code:
Sub Reseed(strTable As String)
Dim MyDB As DAO.Database, Tdf As DAO.TableDef, Qdf As DAO.QueryDef, Frm As
Form, Rel As Relation, Indx As Index
Dim Rst  As DAO.Recordset, rstHigherRange As DAO.Recordset, rstLowerRange
As DAO.Recordset, rstIndexes As DAO.Recordset
Dim iCol As Long
Dim i As Long, iTestNext As Long, iCount1 As Long, iCount2 As Long
Dim iRelFields As Long
Dim Fld As DAO.Field
Dim strPrimaryKeyField As String
Dim strIndexFields  As String
Dim strFields As String
Dim strSQL As String
Dim iUB As Long
Dim VarFieldsTemp
Dim VarFields() As String
Dim fldPK As DAO.Field
Dim strTempFields As String
Dim bPKFound As Boolean
Const HIGHEST_POSSIBLE_VALUE = 2147483647

Set MyDB = CurrentDb
'GoTo PutOnIndexes
If strTable = "Temp" Then Exit Sub
On Error Resume Next
For Each Frm In Forms
    DoCmd.Close acForm, Frm.Name, acSaveYes
Next
For Each Qdf In MyDB.QueryDefs
    DoCmd.Close acQuery, Qdf.Name, acSaveYes
Next
For Each Tdf In MyDB.TableDefs
    DoCmd.Close acTable, Tdf.Name
Next
Set Tdf = MyDB.TableDefs(strTable)
'Check PK has onlt one field
For Each Indx In Tdf.Indexes
    If Indx.Name = "PrimaryKey" Then
        If Indx.Fields.Count > 1 Then
            Debug.Print Tdf.Name & " Primary Key has " & Indx.Fields.Count
& " fields - cannot reseed " & strTable
            Exit Sub
        ElseIf Tdf.Fields(Indx.Fields(0).Name).Type <> dbLong Then
            Debug.Print Tdf.Name & " Primary Key field is not Type Long -
cannot reseed " & strTable
            Exit Sub
        ElseIf Tdf.Fields(Indx.Fields(0).Name).Attributes And
dbAutoIncrField Then
            strPrimaryKeyField = Indx.Fields(0).Name
            bPKFound = True
        Else
            Debug.Print Tdf.Name & " Primary Key field is not AutoNum -
cannot reseed " & strTable
            Exit Sub
        End If
        Exit For
    End If
Next
If Not bPKFound Then
    Debug.Print "No primary key was found - cannot reseed " & strTable
    Exit Sub
End If
'Test AddNew and make sure that there is enough room, before
highese_record_number, to add duplicates without resetting autonum field to
the negative range
Set Rst = MyDB.OpenRecordset("Select * from [" & strTable & "]")
Rst.MoveLast
i = Rst.RecordCount
Rst.AddNew
iTestNext = Rst.Fields(strPrimaryKeyField).Value
Rst.Cancel
If i + iTestNext > HIGHEST_POSSIBLE_VALUE - 1 Then
    Debug.Print "Highest record number already used is too high to perform
this operation on " & strTable
    Exit Sub
End If
Set Rst = Nothing
'Get all the other fields so that append query will add all fields for
duplicate entry
For Each Fld In Tdf.Fields
    If Fld.Name <> strPrimaryKeyField Then
        strFields = strFields & ",[" & Fld.Name & "]"
    End If
Next
strFields = Mid(strFields, 2)
Err.Clear
DoCmd.DeleteObject acTable, "Temp"
strSQL = "Create Table [Temp] ([" & strPrimaryKeyField & "] Long)"
Err.Clear
MyDB.Execute strSQL, dbFailOnError
MyDB.TableDefs.Refresh
If Err.Number <> 0 Then Stop

'Remove indexes else we might not be able to put in duplicate items
Set rstIndexes = Nothing
DoCmd.DeleteObject acTable, "Temp_RetainIndexes"
strSQL = "Create Table [Temp_RetainIndexes] ("
strSQL = strSQL & "[TheName] TEXT(255)"
strSQL = strSQL & ",[TheFields] TEXT(255)"
strSQL = strSQL & ",IsUnique YESNO"
strSQL = strSQL & ",IsRequired YESNO"
strSQL = strSQL & ")"
Err.Clear
MyDB.Execute strSQL, dbFailOnError
If Err.Number <> 0 Then Stop
MyDB.TableDefs.Refresh
For Each Indx In Tdf.Indexes
    If Indx.Name <> "PrimaryKey" Then
        strIndexFields = ""
        For Each Fld In Indx.Fields
            strIndexFields = strIndexFields & ",[" & Fld.Name & "]"
        Next
        strIndexFields = Mid(strIndexFields, 2)
        strSQL = "Insert Into "
        strSQL = strSQL & "Temp_RetainIndexes"
        strSQL = strSQL & " (TheName,"
        strSQL = strSQL & "TheFields,"
        strSQL = strSQL & "IsUnique,"
        strSQL = strSQL & "IsRequired)"
        strSQL = strSQL & " Values ("
        strSQL = strSQL & "'" & Indx.Name & "'"
        strSQL = strSQL & ", '" & strIndexFields & "'"
        strSQL = strSQL & ", " & Indx.Unique
        strSQL = strSQL & ", " & Indx.Required
        strSQL = strSQL & ")"
        Err.Clear
        MyDB.Execute strSQL, dbFailOnError
        If Err.Number <> 0 Then Stop
    End If
Next
'Now remove all stored indexes from the table
Set rstIndexes = MyDB.OpenRecordset("Select * from [Temp_RetainIndexes]")
If Not rstIndexes.EOF Then
    rstIndexes.MoveFirst
    Do
        Err.Clear
        Tdf.Indexes.Delete rstIndexes!TheName
        If Err.Number <> 0 Then
            Debug.Print Err.Description, rstIndexes!TheName
        End If
        rstIndexes.MoveNext
    Loop Until rstIndexes.EOF
End If
Tdf.Indexes.Refresh
Set rstIndexes = Nothing
'Duplicate every row in the table
Err.Clear
strSQL = "Insert Into [" & strTable & "] ("
strSQL = strSQL & strFields & ")"
strSQL = strSQL & " Select "
strSQL = strSQL & strFields
strSQL = strSQL & " FROM [" & strTable & "]"
strSQL = strSQL & " ORDER BY [" & strPrimaryKeyField & "] Asc"
MyDB.Execute strSQL, dbFailOnError
If Err.Number <> 0 Then Stop
'Loop each dupe record, change fks everywhere to these replacement values
strSQL = "Select * "
strSQL = strSQL & " FROM [" & strTable & "] "
strSQL = strSQL & " WHERE [" & strPrimaryKeyField & "] > " & iTestNext
strSQL = strSQL & " ORDER BY [" & strPrimaryKeyField & "] ASC"
Set rstHigherRange = MyDB.OpenRecordset(strSQL)
rstHigherRange.MoveLast
iCount1 = rstHigherRange.RecordCount
strSQL = "Select * "
strSQL = strSQL & " FROM [" & strTable & "] "
strSQL = strSQL & " WHERE [" & strPrimaryKeyField & "] < " & iTestNext
strSQL = strSQL & " ORDER BY [" & strPrimaryKeyField & "] ASC"
Set rstLowerRange = MyDB.OpenRecordset(strSQL)
rstLowerRange.MoveLast
iCount2 = rstLowerRange.RecordCount
If iCount1 = 0 Or (iCount1 <> iCount2) Then
    Debug.Print "Could not create an equal number of records in " &
strTable & ", could not reseed " & strTable
    strSQL = "Delete * from [" & strTable & "] Where [" &
strPrimaryKeyField & "] >" & iTestNext
    Err.Clear
    MyDB.Execute strSQL, dbFailOnError
    If Err.Number <> 0 Then Stop
    Exit Sub
End If
rstLowerRange.MoveFirst
rstHigherRange.MoveFirst
'Set all values for the reference field in the related table to the value
we have sublimated the primary key field value to in the main table
Do Until rstHigherRange.EOF
    For Each Rel In MyDB.Relations
        If Rel.Table = Tdf.Name Then
            For iRelFields = 0 To Rel.Fields.Count - 1
                For Each fldPK In Tdf.Indexes("PrimaryKey").Fields
                    If Rel.Fields(iRelFields).Name = fldPK.Name Then
                        strSQL = "Update [" & Rel.ForeignTable & "]"
                        strSQL = strSQL & " Set [" &
Rel.Fields(iRelFields).ForeignName & "] = "
                        strSQL = strSQL &
rstHigherRange.Fields(strPrimaryKeyField)
                        strSQL = strSQL & " WHERE "
                        strSQL = strSQL & " [" &
Rel.Fields(iRelFields).ForeignName & "] = " &
rstLowerRange.Fields(strPrimaryKeyField)
                        Err.Clear
                        MyDB.Execute strSQL, dbFailOnError
                        If Err.Number <> 0 Then Stop
                    End If
                Next
            Next
        End If
    Next
    rstHigherRange.MoveNext
    rstLowerRange.MoveNext
Loop
'Delete predecessor records now that the tables which refer to them have
all been updated
strSQL = "Delete From [" & strTable & "] "
strSQL = strSQL & " Where [" & strPrimaryKeyField & "] < " & iTestNext
Err.Clear
MyDB.Execute strSQL, dbFailOnError
If Err.Number <> 0 Then Stop
'The next routine makes sure that there is a valid value from each table
that strTable has a foreign key to,
'that we may use as dummy values in all the required fields in strTable...
otherwise we could not append
'dummy records with highest_record_number and 0 from the Temp table into
strTable
ReDim VarFieldsTemp(1 To 2, 0 To 0)
For Each Rel In MyDB.Relations
    If Rel.ForeignTable = strTable Then
        strSQL = "ALTER TABLE Temp ADD COLUMN [" &
Rel.Fields(0).ForeignName & "] Long"
        Err.Clear
        MyDB.Execute strSQL, dbFailOnError
        If Err.Number <> 0 Then Stop
        iUB = UBound(VarFieldsTemp, 2) + 1
        If iUB = 1 Then
            ReDim VarFieldsTemp(1 To 2, 1 To iUB)
        Else
            ReDim Preserve VarFieldsTemp(1 To 2, 1 To iUB)
        End If
        VarFieldsTemp(1, iUB) = Rel.Fields(0).ForeignName
        VarFieldsTemp(2, iUB) = DMin("[" & Rel.Fields(0).Name & "]",
Rel.Table)
    End If
Next
'insert the highest possible recordid
strSQL = "Insert into [Temp] ("
strSQL = strSQL & "[" & strPrimaryKeyField & "]) Values (" &
HIGHEST_POSSIBLE_VALUE & ")"
Err.Clear
MyDB.Execute strSQL, dbFailOnError
If Err.Number <> 0 Then Stop
'Update the other fields with valid values from related tables which
strTable has foreign keys to
strTempFields = "[" & strPrimaryKeyField & "]"
'Put other required values in the table due to FKs in strTable
For i = 1 To UBound(VarFieldsTemp, 2)
    strTempFields = strTempFields & ",[" & VarFieldsTemp(1, i) & "]"
    strSQL = "Update [Temp] Set [" & VarFieldsTemp(1, i) & "] = " &
VarFieldsTemp(2, i)
    Err.Clear
    MyDB.Execute strSQL, dbFailOnError
    If Err.Number <> 0 Then Stop
Next
'Append this dummy record with highest possible record value to strTable
Err.Clear
MyDB.Execute "Insert Into [" & strTable & "] (" & strTempFields & ") Select
" & strTempFields & " From [Temp]", dbFailOnError
If Err.Number <> 0 Then Stop
'Now insert a record starting at zero so that when we re-add all records
advanced to higher pk sequence back to strTable, they start at 1
strSQL = "Update [Temp] Set [" & strPrimaryKeyField & "] = 0"
Err.Clear
MyDB.Execute strSQL, dbFailOnError
If Err.Number <> 0 Then Stop
'Re-add all strTables records to itself
Err.Clear
MyDB.Execute "Insert Into [" & strTable & "] (" & strTempFields & ") Select
" & strTempFields & " From [Temp]", dbFailOnError
If Err.Number <> 0 Then Stop
'Clear the two dummy records
strSQL = "Delete from [" & strTable & "] Where [" & strPrimaryKeyField & "]
In (0, " & HIGHEST_POSSIBLE_VALUE & ")"
Err.Clear
MyDB.Execute strSQL, dbFailOnError
If Err.Number <> 0 Then Stop

'From here on out all records should be 1, 2 when they are added
'Add the records in one more time so that they will sequence starting at 1
Err.Clear
MyDB.Execute "Insert Into [" & strTable & "] (" & strFields & ") Select " &
strFields & " from [" & strTable & "] order by [" & strPrimaryKeyField & "]
Asc", dbFailOnError
If Err.Number <> 0 Then Stop
'Let's test
If DCount("[" & strPrimaryKeyField & "]", strTable, "[" &
strPrimaryKeyField & "] <" & iTestNext & " And [" & strPrimaryKeyField & "]
> 0") = DCount("[" & strPrimaryKeyField & "]", strTable, "[" &
strPrimaryKeyField & "] >" & iTestNext) Then
    Debug.Print "Reseed successful, range of [" & strPrimaryKeyField & "]
in [" & strTable & "] is now from " & DMin("[" & strPrimaryKeyField & "]",
strTable, "[" & strPrimaryKeyField & "] <" & iTestNext & " and [" &
strPrimaryKeyField & "] >0") & " to " & DMax("[" & strPrimaryKeyField &
"]", strTable, "[" & strPrimaryKeyField & "] <" & iTestNext)
Else
    Debug.Print "Reseed unsuccessful, the count of records is off"
    Stop
End If
'Prepare to do the final swap
strSQL = "Select * from [" & strTable & "] "
strSQL = strSQL & " WHERE [" & strPrimaryKeyField & "] > " & iTestNext
strSQL = strSQL & " ORDER BY [" & strPrimaryKeyField & "] ASC"
Set rstHigherRange = MyDB.OpenRecordset(strSQL)
rstHigherRange.MoveLast
iCount1 = rstHigherRange.RecordCount
strSQL = "Select * from [" & strTable & "] "
strSQL = strSQL & " WHERE [" & strPrimaryKeyField & "] < " & iTestNext
strSQL = strSQL & " ORDER BY [" & strPrimaryKeyField & "] ASC"
Set rstLowerRange = MyDB.OpenRecordset(strSQL)
rstLowerRange.MoveLast
iCount2 = rstLowerRange.RecordCount
If iCount1 = 0 Or (iCount1 <> iCount2) Then
    Debug.Print "Could not create an equal number of records in " &
strTable & ", or else sequencing failed - could not reseed " & strTable
    strSQL = "Delete * from [" & strTable & "] Where [" &
strPrimaryKeyField & "] <" & iTestNext
    Err.Clear
    MyDB.Execute strSQL, dbFailOnError
    If Err.Number <> 0 Then Stop
    Exit Sub
End If
rstLowerRange.MoveFirst
rstHigherRange.MoveFirst
'Rerun the swap
Do Until rstHigherRange.EOF
    For Each Rel In MyDB.Relations
        If Rel.Table = Tdf.Name Then
            For iRelFields = 0 To Rel.Fields.Count - 1
                For Each fldPK In Tdf.Indexes("PrimaryKey").Fields
                    If Rel.Fields(iRelFields).Name = fldPK.Name Then
                        strSQL = "Update [" & Rel.ForeignTable & "] "
                        strSQL = strSQL & "Set [" &
Rel.Fields(iRelFields).ForeignName & "] = " &
rstLowerRange.Fields(strPrimaryKeyField)
                        strSQL = strSQL & " WHERE [" &
Rel.Fields(iRelFields).ForeignName & "] = " &
rstHigherRange.Fields(strPrimaryKeyField)
                        Err.Clear
                        MyDB.Execute strSQL, dbFailOnError
                        If Err.Number <> 0 Then Stop
                    End If
                Next
            Next
        End If
    Next
    rstHigherRange.MoveNext
    rstLowerRange.MoveNext
Loop
'Delete the duplicates left in the higher range, those above iMax
strSQL = "Delete from [" & strTable & "] Where [" & strPrimaryKeyField & "]
> " & iTestNext
Err.Clear
MyDB.Execute strSQL, dbFailOnError
If Err.Number <> 0 Then Stop
'Put back indexes after duplicates removed
Set Fld = Nothing
Set Tdf = Nothing
Set Rst = Nothing
Set rstHigherRange = Nothing
Set rstLowerRange = Nothing
Set Rst = Nothing
PutOnIndexes:
Set rstIndexes = MyDB.OpenRecordset("Select * from [Temp_RetainIndexes]")
If Not rstIndexes.EOF Then
    rstIndexes.MoveFirst
    On Error Resume Next
    Do Until rstIndexes.EOF
        strSQL = "CREATE "
        strSQL = strSQL & IIf(CBool(rstIndexes!IsUnique), " UNIQUE ", "")
        strSQL = strSQL & " Index "
        strSQL = strSQL & rstIndexes!TheName
        strSQL = strSQL & " on "
        strSQL = strSQL & "[" & strTable & "] "
        strSQL = strSQL & "(" & rstIndexes!TheFields & ")"
        strSQL = strSQL & IIf(CBool(rstIndexes!IsRequired), " WITH DISALLOW
NULL", "")
        strSQL = strSQL & ";"
        'We don't worry about errors here because we know that the ones
related to relations were never going to be deletable anyway
        Err.Clear
        MyDB.Execute strSQL, dbFailOnError
        Debug.Print Err.Description
        rstIndexes.MoveNext
    Loop
End If
Set rstIndexes = Nothing
End Sub

From bensonforums at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 21:12:25 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 22:12:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_3Er7f+PtDRhOSR4eoLOXS6LP03+BfEWPZ-95YSRMYTJQ@mail.gmail.com>
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The below was meant in a spirit of good humor, I don?t want you friends to take it as a rant? the part about thread being hijacked was tongue in cheek.

 

From: Bill Benson [mailto:bensonforums at gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 8:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value

 

Thanks for presenting ideas, however to elevate them to a status of "solution(s)" to the problem which I originally presented -- and frankly, which I no longer have because I have stopped giving a damn - is either to (1) not address my ignorance of how and why they apply to someone wanting to filter forms, not controls (ie, it was mentioned before about altering the rowsource of the control, which I have no need nor intention to do) or (2) is demonstrating that people are really not clear what it is I had set out to do.

 

I am more than willing to keep up an effort to correspond, but am utterly lost as to how anything so far mentioned is going to help me cause the form to dynamically filter itself if/when the combo boxes change and ONLY if the filter toggle button I placed on the form is in the True state; and to relinquish the filter, without affecting any of the combo boxes, when that state becomes false again - without use of events for the combos and for the toggle button.

 

Is this thread getting hijacked I wonder? If not, if these Tempvars and classes in ANY way make filtering a dynamic activity that makes tying the filter to a control and then "forgetting" about it in terms of events, letting "variables" or "classes" take over - then please make that case, make it clearly, perhaps present an example, and yes, I will prepare myself to be amazed and well pleased.

 

Thanks for your kind attention colleagues!

 

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 7:10 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com <mailto:fuller.artful at gmail.com> > wrote:

Tempvars are a convenient solution, but their big problem is that they are
only respected in the most recent versions of Access. And that is one
serious problem. The most recent alternatives are two other approaches:
static functions and classes. See my previous posts on static funcs and
JC's posts on classes, from which I have learned a ton. Both, in my view,
present useful solutions, and I have incorporated both within a single
project.

IMO, TempVars was a lame attempt to solve a universal problem. JWC and I
have both provided far better solutions.


On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com <mailto:bensonforums at gmail.com> > wrote:

> Thank you and I probably don't follow all that Tempvar stuff, however I
> don't sense that it meets my needs in this situation...
>
> For one thing, the combos are for the purpose of setting (or selecting)
> companyids for either existing or new orders, and it is not my intent to
> restrict them.
>
> My solution is working just fine, this whole thread was not for any other
> purpose to see if a filter was dynamic, and I have learned that it is not.
> On Dec 29, 2014 4:25 PM, "Charlotte Foust" <charlotte.foust at gmail.com <mailto:charlotte.foust at gmail.com> >
> wrote:
>
> > Another way might be to modify the source queries for the combo boxes to
> > use a TempVar to filter the returned records.  The same TempVar can be
> used
> > for all 3 comboboxes, and you can create a a loop in the OnCurrent event
> to
> > test for a change in the TempVar value and then requery the combos.
> >
> > Charlotte
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 6:18 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com <mailto:bensonforums at gmail.com> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Gustav and happy holiday week.
> > >
> > > I can't set the filter on form load because the items being filtered on
> > (on
> > > demand) are company id's in 3 different combo boxes. I just have to
> reset
> > > the filter in the afterupdate event for the combos, testing first to
> make
> > > sure the filter toggle is true at such time... and also to reset the
> > filter
> > > when a toggle click results in its changing state from false to true. I
> > had
> > > just (through inexperience with how to assign things to a filter in
> > code),
> > > sillily thought that I could "set and forget" -- i.e., tie to the
> combos
> > > once and for all. Like making a controlsource for a filter. Apparently
> > the
> > > filter property does not behave the way I was thinking it ought but it
> is
> > > no big deal. Living in a dream world where computers do what I want --
> > not
> > > the real world.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 5:01 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk <mailto:gustav at cactus.dk> >
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Bill
> > > >
> > > > If this is your problem, just set (or remove) filters by code when
> you
> > > > open the form.
> > > >
> > > > Also, I think all of us have to look up items regularly.
> > > >
> > > > /gustav
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________________
> > > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>  <
> > > > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> > p? vegne af Bill Benson <
> > > > bensonforums at gmail.com <mailto:bensonforums at gmail.com> >
> > > > Sendt: 27. december 2014 21:59
> > > > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Emne: Re: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value
> > > >
> > > > I have used filters sometimes in the past, and the way they interact
> > with
> > > > filteron, their picky syntax, the inability to set and forget them,
> > > because
> > > > they are not dynamic like a controlsource; they are easy to be made
> > > > obsolete.
> > > >
> > > > And I usually can't recall whether recordsetclone is or is not
> affected
> > > by
> > > > the filter when filteron  is true, I have to keep looking that up!
> > > >
> > > > I give them the well earned label of "tricky"; I also wish there
> were a
> > > > filters collection for increments and decremental filters.
> > > > On Dec 27, 2014 12:03 PM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk <mailto:gustav at cactus.dk> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Bill
> > > > >
> > > > > No, filters are not very tricky. But the filter can only be changed
> > if
> > > > > something tells it so.
> > > > > So either you will have to use the AfterUpdate event of the other
> > form
> > > to
> > > > > reapply the filter, or you can use the OnActivate event of the form
> > to
> > > > > check if the value to filter for has changed on the other form.
> > > > >
> > > > > /gustav
> > > > >
> > > > > ________________________________________
> > > > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>  <
> > > > > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> > p? vegne af Mark Simms <
> > > > > marksimms at verizon.net <mailto:marksimms at verizon.net> >
> > > > > Sendt: 27. december 2014 17:22
> > > > > Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > > > Emne: Re: [AccessD] trying to filter a form on a control's value
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, that toggle is required. Filters are very tricky.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Are you setting the Filter On property too?  I seem to recall
> > needing
> > > > to
> > > > > > set filter on to False, setting the filter, and then setting
> filter
> > > on
> > > > to True.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Charlotte
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From bradm at blackforestltd.com  Wed Dec 31 08:40:17 2014
From: bradm at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 14:40:17 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] TempVars Vs Functions for Use in Queries
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All,

I have just started to experiment with TempVars.

I am curious if there is any advantage of using TempVars instead of Functions in queries (in Criteria).

Thanks,

Brad


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 10:21:58 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 11:21:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] TempVars Vs Functions for Use in Queries
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My little take on this is:

a) none of these approaches will be portable to any other FE;

b) it's always helpful to encapsulate your logic in a function rather than
a TempVars variable; c) sad as I am to say this, it appears from
Microsoft's behavior that Access has become an abandoned child. I write
this with great sorrow because I have invest years and years in this
technology, but I have made this mistake before, and subsequently licked my
wounds and moved on (you want details? I got them: I spent more than a year
writing a book about CA-Visual Objects, which was so buggy it was almost
impossible to write about, and the result was I made a bad choice and
suffered loss of income for about a year, give or take a month.)

Back to the topic at hand. Expect that Access will soon be abandoned by MS.
All the evidence for this thesis is their abject failure to provide any new
tools for developers, since, wait, let me guess, 2007? Don't get me started!

Not to sidetrack this conversation, but just to add that MS's abject
failure to deliver for developers is why I moved to Alpha Anywhere. That
firm has vision; MS, imo, does not.

So, Brad, my advice is to refrain from TempVars and instead use Functions,
and even better, Static Functions. Not only do they work perfectly within
Access, but they also provide you a portable way out of Access and into new
platforms (yeah, I champion AA but am also cool with good old friends such
as PHP and a couple of other JS libraries.)

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Brad Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com>
wrote:

> All,
>
> I have just started to experiment with TempVars.
>
> I am curious if there is any advantage of using TempVars instead of
> Functions in queries (in Criteria).
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brad
>
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 11:10:40 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 12:10:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Unable to deselect items in unbound combobox
Message-ID: <001601d0251c$b4a57a40$1df06ec0$@gmail.com>

I have a listbox that when it is requeried, I desire to deselect any of its
contents, and then, since it's column 0 value represents the intended
product id, on which the form itself is positioned, I want there to be no
current record of the form (until such time as the user makes a selection in
the listbox), as well as a bunch of other unbound controls to be set to null
or the equivalent. Many of those controls are unbound comboboxes, and here
comes my problem. I pass the controls to this function and while I am not
getting any errors and the selected property of each item in the combo is
apparently both false at the time the routine happens to be called (in this
instance), 

 

1)      The listindex appears nevertheless to be other than -1, and

2)      The listindex does not change. 

 

The result of this is that I am not seemingly able to de-select any value
already showing in those combos.

 

Private Sub ClearField(ctrl As Control)

Dim i As Long

Select Case TypeName(ctrl)

 

Case Is = "Listbox"

    For i = 0 To ctrl.ListCount - 1

        ctrl.Selected(i) = False

    Next

Case Is = "ComboBox"

    For i = 0 To ctrl.ListCount - 1

        ctrl.Selected(i) = False

    Next

Case Is = "TextBox"

        Ctrl=""

Case Is = "CheckBox"

    ctrl = False

Case Else

    MsgBox "Fix code!"

End Select

 

End Sub


From bensonforums at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 11:16:43 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 12:16:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Unable to deselect items in unbound combobox
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References: <001601d0251c$b4a57a40$1df06ec0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001d01d0251d$8d503e70$a7f0bb50$@gmail.com>

Looking up online how to reset a combo, this code appears now in substitute,
however it still is a question in my mind why setting Selected to false
fails to work for unselecting a combo item?

 

Private Sub ClearField(ctrl As Control)

Dim i As Long

Select Case TypeName(ctrl)

 

Case Is = "Listbox"

    ctrl = ""

Case Is = "ComboBox"

    ctrl = ""

Case Is = "TextBox"

    ctrl = ""

Case Is = "CheckBox"

    ctrl = False

Case Else

    MsgBox "Fix code!"

End Select

 

End Sub

 

From: Bill Benson [mailto:bensonforums at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 12:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Unable to deselect items in unbound combobox

 

I have a listbox that when it is requeried, I desire to deselect any of its
contents, and then, since it's column 0 value represents the intended
product id, on which the form itself is positioned, I want there to be no
current record of the form (until such time as the user makes a selection in
the listbox), as well as a bunch of other unbound controls to be set to null
or the equivalent. Many of those controls are unbound comboboxes, and here
comes my problem. I pass the controls to this function and while I am not
getting any errors and the selected property of each item in the combo is
apparently both false at the time the routine happens to be called (in this
instance), 

 

1)      The listindex appears nevertheless to be other than -1, and

2)      The listindex does not change. 

 

The result of this is that I am not seemingly able to de-select any value
already showing in those combos.

 

Private Sub ClearField(ctrl As Control)

Dim i As Long

Select Case TypeName(ctrl)

 

Case Is = "Listbox"

    For i = 0 To ctrl.ListCount - 1

        ctrl.Selected(i) = False

    Next

Case Is = "ComboBox"

    For i = 0 To ctrl.ListCount - 1

        ctrl.Selected(i) = False

    Next

Case Is = "TextBox"

        Ctrl=""

Case Is = "CheckBox"

    ctrl = False

Case Else

    MsgBox "Fix code!"

End Select

 

End Sub


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 12:53:42 2014
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 10:53:42 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] TempVars Vs Functions for Use in Queries
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Don't get started, Arthur.  Access is what it is.  There is still a niche
market for it, and I'll keep using it.  TempVars and LocalVars have their
uses in web apps where you can't use VBA.  Yes, static functions can be
used but again, only where you can use VBA.  I'm not defending the things,
but I've found that in Data macros at the table level, you may need to use
them (at least LocalVars) to hold field values to check.

Charlotte

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 8:21 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
wrote:

> My little take on this is:
>
> a) none of these approaches will be portable to any other FE;
>
> b) it's always helpful to encapsulate your logic in a function rather than
> a TempVars variable; c) sad as I am to say this, it appears from
> Microsoft's behavior that Access has become an abandoned child. I write
> this with great sorrow because I have invest years and years in this
> technology, but I have made this mistake before, and subsequently licked my
> wounds and moved on (you want details? I got them: I spent more than a year
> writing a book about CA-Visual Objects, which was so buggy it was almost
> impossible to write about, and the result was I made a bad choice and
> suffered loss of income for about a year, give or take a month.)
>
> Back to the topic at hand. Expect that Access will soon be abandoned by MS.
> All the evidence for this thesis is their abject failure to provide any new
> tools for developers, since, wait, let me guess, 2007? Don't get me
> started!
>
> Not to sidetrack this conversation, but just to add that MS's abject
> failure to deliver for developers is why I moved to Alpha Anywhere. That
> firm has vision; MS, imo, does not.
>
> So, Brad, my advice is to refrain from TempVars and instead use Functions,
> and even better, Static Functions. Not only do they work perfectly within
> Access, but they also provide you a portable way out of Access and into new
> platforms (yeah, I champion AA but am also cool with good old friends such
> as PHP and a couple of other JS libraries.)
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Brad Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com>
> wrote:
>
> > All,
> >
> > I have just started to experiment with TempVars.
> >
> > I am curious if there is any advantage of using TempVars instead of
> > Functions in queries (in Criteria).
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Brad
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Arthur
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>

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 13:12:53 2014
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 11:12:53 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Unable to deselect items in unbound combobox
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I usually set comboboxes to null, but I don't usually allow multiple
selection comboboxes.  I rarely use listboxes.

Charlotte

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 9:10 AM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have a listbox that when it is requeried, I desire to deselect any of its
> contents, and then, since it's column 0 value represents the intended
> product id, on which the form itself is positioned, I want there to be no
> current record of the form (until such time as the user makes a selection
> in
> the listbox), as well as a bunch of other unbound controls to be set to
> null
> or the equivalent. Many of those controls are unbound comboboxes, and here
> comes my problem. I pass the controls to this function and while I am not
> getting any errors and the selected property of each item in the combo is
> apparently both false at the time the routine happens to be called (in this
> instance),
>
>
>
> 1)      The listindex appears nevertheless to be other than -1, and
>
> 2)      The listindex does not change.
>
>
>
> The result of this is that I am not seemingly able to de-select any value
> already showing in those combos.
>
>
>
> Private Sub ClearField(ctrl As Control)
>
> Dim i As Long
>
> Select Case TypeName(ctrl)
>
>
>
> Case Is = "Listbox"
>
>     For i = 0 To ctrl.ListCount - 1
>
>         ctrl.Selected(i) = False
>
>     Next
>
> Case Is = "ComboBox"
>
>     For i = 0 To ctrl.ListCount - 1
>
>         ctrl.Selected(i) = False
>
>     Next
>
> Case Is = "TextBox"
>
>         Ctrl=""
>
> Case Is = "CheckBox"
>
>     ctrl = False
>
> Case Else
>
>     MsgBox "Fix code!"
>
> End Select
>
>
>
> End Sub
>
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 13:17:45 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 14:17:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Unable to deselect items in unbound combobox
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Message-ID: <003001d0252e$75752840$605f78c0$@gmail.com>

Ah, that seems to be the key to unlocking a mystery (to me) Charlotte:  the
Selected property must be only effective if a control as capability to allow
multiple selections. Thank you.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 2:13 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Unable to deselect items in unbound combobox

I usually set comboboxes to null, but I don't usually allow multiple
selection comboboxes.  I rarely use listboxes.

Charlotte

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 9:10 AM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have a listbox that when it is requeried, I desire to deselect any 
> of its contents, and then, since it's column 0 value represents the 
> intended product id, on which the form itself is positioned, I want 
> there to be no current record of the form (until such time as the user 
> makes a selection in the listbox), as well as a bunch of other unbound 
> controls to be set to null or the equivalent. Many of those controls 
> are unbound comboboxes, and here comes my problem. I pass the controls 
> to this function and while I am not getting any errors and the 
> selected property of each item in the combo is apparently both false 
> at the time the routine happens to be called (in this instance),
>
>
>
> 1)      The listindex appears nevertheless to be other than -1, and
>
> 2)      The listindex does not change.
>
>
>
> The result of this is that I am not seemingly able to de-select any 
> value already showing in those combos.
>
>
>
> Private Sub ClearField(ctrl As Control)
>
> Dim i As Long
>
> Select Case TypeName(ctrl)
>
>
>
> Case Is = "Listbox"
>
>     For i = 0 To ctrl.ListCount - 1
>
>         ctrl.Selected(i) = False
>
>     Next
>
> Case Is = "ComboBox"
>
>     For i = 0 To ctrl.ListCount - 1
>
>         ctrl.Selected(i) = False
>
>     Next
>
> Case Is = "TextBox"
>
>         Ctrl=""
>
> Case Is = "CheckBox"
>
>     ctrl = False
>
> Case Else
>
>     MsgBox "Fix code!"
>
> End Select
>
>
>
> End Sub
>
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 14:10:16 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 15:10:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] unbound controls and error message about record having
	been saved
Message-ID: <004801d02535$cc5c7490$65155db0$@gmail.com>

I have a control full of unbound controls. After updating a record (I will
explain how in a second), thereafter whenever I seek to change one of those
controls I get a message saying

                The data has been changed

                Another user has edited this record and saved the changes

                Before you attempted to save your changes.

                Re-edit the record

 

Now the way I am updating the record is through the DAO
CurrentDb.Execute(strSQL) statement. I combine all my control values into a
SQL string and execute that. At this point I do not get any alerts.

 

I could see that if my control(s) were bound, and/or I was actually leaving
a record - causing Access to think about whether or not to save a record -
that I might get the above message upon editing a control. However, I can't
see why the record cares what I do with an unbound control after a Save has
been made.

 

I have tested Me.Dirty in the BeforeUpdate of the control - which occurs
well ahead of that alert - and the result is false.

 

I get this alert just before I edit any unbound control, and it just causes
a brief interruption after which point I am free to edit the record.

 

Am I supposed to do something in addition to running the update query that
will cause this problem to desist? I have tried also running 

 

Any ideas welcome and appreciated.


From bensonforums at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 14:10:41 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 15:10:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] unbound controls and error message about record
	having been saved
In-Reply-To: <004801d02535$cc5c7490$65155db0$@gmail.com>
References: <004801d02535$cc5c7490$65155db0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004f01d02535$db24f0b0$916ed210$@gmail.com>

Sorry, a FORM full of unbound controls.

 

From: Bill Benson [mailto:bensonforums at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 3:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: unbound controls and error message about record having been saved

 

I have a control full of unbound controls. After updating a record (I will
explain how in a second), thereafter whenever I seek to change one of those
controls I get a message saying

                The data has been changed

                Another user has edited this record and saved the changes

                Before you attempted to save your changes.

                Re-edit the record

 

Now the way I am updating the record is through the DAO
CurrentDb.Execute(strSQL) statement. I combine all my control values into a
SQL string and execute that. At this point I do not get any alerts.

 

I could see that if my control(s) were bound, and/or I was actually leaving
a record - causing Access to think about whether or not to save a record -
that I might get the above message upon editing a control. However, I can't
see why the record cares what I do with an unbound control after a Save has
been made.

 

I have tested Me.Dirty in the BeforeUpdate of the control - which occurs
well ahead of that alert - and the result is false.

 

I get this alert just before I edit any unbound control, and it just causes
a brief interruption after which point I am free to edit the record.

 

Am I supposed to do something in addition to running the update query that
will cause this problem to desist? I have tried also running 

 

Any ideas welcome and appreciated.


From bensonforums at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 14:12:20 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 15:12:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] unbound controls and error message about record
	having been saved
In-Reply-To: <004f01d02535$db24f0b0$916ed210$@gmail.com>
References: <004801d02535$cc5c7490$65155db0$@gmail.com>
	<004f01d02535$db24f0b0$916ed210$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005801d02536$16f01980$44d04c80$@gmail.com>

As further clarification, I only get the alert after I run my update query.
I can edit the controls to heart's content before that update query.

 

 

From: Bill Benson [mailto:bensonforums at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 3:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: unbound controls and error message about record having been
saved

 

Sorry, a FORM full of unbound controls.

 

From: Bill Benson [mailto:bensonforums at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 3:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: unbound controls and error message about record having been saved

 

I have a control full of unbound controls. After updating a record (I will
explain how in a second), thereafter whenever I seek to change one of those
controls I get a message saying

                The data has been changed

                Another user has edited this record and saved the changes

                Before you attempted to save your changes.

                Re-edit the record

 

Now the way I am updating the record is through the DAO
CurrentDb.Execute(strSQL) statement. I combine all my control values into a
SQL string and execute that. At this point I do not get any alerts.

 

I could see that if my control(s) were bound, and/or I was actually leaving
a record - causing Access to think about whether or not to save a record -
that I might get the above message upon editing a control. However, I can't
see why the record cares what I do with an unbound control after a Save has
been made.

 

I have tested Me.Dirty in the BeforeUpdate of the control - which occurs
well ahead of that alert - and the result is false.

 

I get this alert just before I edit any unbound control, and it just causes
a brief interruption after which point I am free to edit the record.

 

Am I supposed to do something in addition to running the update query that
will cause this problem to desist? I have tried also running 

 

Any ideas welcome and appreciated.


From bensonforums at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 14:23:53 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 15:23:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] unbound controls and error message about record
	having been saved
In-Reply-To: <005801d02536$16f01980$44d04c80$@gmail.com>
References: <004801d02535$cc5c7490$65155db0$@gmail.com>
	<004f01d02535$db24f0b0$916ed210$@gmail.com>
	<005801d02536$16f01980$44d04c80$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005f01d02537$b2bdda40$18398ec0$@gmail.com>

Solved my Me.Refresh after the update query completed. Beats me why.

 

From: Bill Benson [mailto:bensonforums at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 3:12 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: unbound controls and error message about record having been
saved

 

As further clarification, I only get the alert after I run my update query.
I can edit the controls to heart's content before that update query.

 

 

From: Bill Benson [mailto:bensonforums at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 3:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: unbound controls and error message about record having been
saved

 

Sorry, a FORM full of unbound controls.

 

From: Bill Benson [mailto:bensonforums at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 3:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: unbound controls and error message about record having been saved

 

I have a control full of unbound controls. After updating a record (I will
explain how in a second), thereafter whenever I seek to change one of those
controls I get a message saying

                The data has been changed

                Another user has edited this record and saved the changes

                Before you attempted to save your changes.

                Re-edit the record

 

Now the way I am updating the record is through the DAO
CurrentDb.Execute(strSQL) statement. I combine all my control values into a
SQL string and execute that. At this point I do not get any alerts.

 

I could see that if my control(s) were bound, and/or I was actually leaving
a record - causing Access to think about whether or not to save a record -
that I might get the above message upon editing a control. However, I can't
see why the record cares what I do with an unbound control after a Save has
been made.

 

I have tested Me.Dirty in the BeforeUpdate of the control - which occurs
well ahead of that alert - and the result is false.

 

I get this alert just before I edit any unbound control, and it just causes
a brief interruption after which point I am free to edit the record.

 

Am I supposed to do something in addition to running the update query that
will cause this problem to desist? I have tried also running 

 

Any ideas welcome and appreciated.


From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Wed Dec 31 16:31:53 2014
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 22:31:53 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Happy New Year All
In-Reply-To: <003001d0252e$75752840$605f78c0$@gmail.com>
References: <001601d0251c$b4a57a40$1df06ec0$@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met8m+eyHH-vmM1SaUdHdaPDtC=-rRtLJam7utdd5eKhM+Q@mail.gmail.com>,
	<003001d0252e$75752840$605f78c0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC017BC015@EX2K10-MBX6.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Best wishes for 2015

Martin

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 16:52:21 2014
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 14:52:21 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Happy New Year All
In-Reply-To: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC017BC015@EX2K10-MBX6.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <001601d0251c$b4a57a40$1df06ec0$@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met8m+eyHH-vmM1SaUdHdaPDtC=-rRtLJam7utdd5eKhM+Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<003001d0252e$75752840$605f78c0$@gmail.com>
	<976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC017BC015@EX2K10-MBX6.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9DugbLVeLozRiDyZvu9Q0Ppg3iggy1gMRqUp6kTOWRjg@mail.gmail.com>

I'll drink to that!

Charlotte

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk> wrote:

> Best wishes for 2015
>
> Martin
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 17:06:47 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 18:06:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Happy New Year All
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+fCVvuRYTjA6Z6UW=Lo--qSpRwBT8Q+3mvaKFn-j1Qd7Q@mail.gmail.com>

I already did. :)

Susan H.

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 5:52 PM, Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I'll drink to that!
>
>

From paul at wordwright.org  Wed Dec 31 17:57:22 2014
From: paul at wordwright.org (paul)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 23:57:22 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Happy New Year All
In-Reply-To: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC017BC015@EX2K10-MBX6.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <001601d0251c$b4a57a40$1df06ec0$@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met8m+eyHH-vmM1SaUdHdaPDtC=-rRtLJam7utdd5eKhM+Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<003001d0252e$75752840$605f78c0$@gmail.com>
	<976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC017BC015@EX2K10-MBX6.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <CAKoNfVt4cKxSmy+C6Etr-GbymqqVs0+aNeo9fYAs+W0681Aotw@mail.gmail.com>

A very happy year ahead, Developers.
Salut
paul

On 31 December 2014 at 22:31, Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk> wrote:
> Best wishes for 2015
>
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 18:04:41 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 19:04:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Happy New Year All
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+fCVvuRYTjA6Z6UW=Lo--qSpRwBT8Q+3mvaKFn-j1Qd7Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+fCVvuRYTjA6Z6UW=Lo--qSpRwBT8Q+3mvaKFn-j1Qd7Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_1zapSXa8qyL0z0-ojhZYZj7HO9qw_LFxggw5zVrhOOFQ@mail.gmail.com>

Happy New Year to all the kind, generous, helpful and immensely savvy
professionals on this irreplaceable List. Thanks for all the help in 2014.
On Dec 31, 2014 6:09 PM, "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:

> I already did. :)
>
> Susan H.
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 5:52 PM, Charlotte Foust <
> charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I'll drink to that!
> >
> >
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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 18:25:17 2014
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 19:25:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Happy New Year All
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9DugbLVeLozRiDyZvu9Q0Ppg3iggy1gMRqUp6kTOWRjg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001601d0251c$b4a57a40$1df06ec0$@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met8m+eyHH-vmM1SaUdHdaPDtC=-rRtLJam7utdd5eKhM+Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<003001d0252e$75752840$605f78c0$@gmail.com>
	<976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC017BC015@EX2K10-MBX6.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<CAH+Met9DugbLVeLozRiDyZvu9Q0Ppg3iggy1gMRqUp6kTOWRjg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAvonuhzrTOVttkrQYaHKhQKuZxoPFKQEJnUVY3LfjaxgA@mail.gmail.com>

And I will too! All the best to all for 2015.

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 5:52 PM, Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I'll drink to that!
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> > Best wishes for 2015
> >
> > Martin
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Wed Dec 31 18:20:04 2014
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 18:20:04 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Holiday Party! (follow-up)
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACF22RC3KWdEkmLp1h8C0yTCgAAAEAAAAPfM6QiRi7lLqP8ARcFe2LYBAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>

On behalf of the Database Advisors organization and administrative
volunteers I would like to thank those who have supported the Database
Advisors organization.

 

Due to the recent funding drive, our operations will able to run for
approximately 3 more years. DBA received funding from 3 Canadian provinces,
Denmark, Germany, Ireland, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, Russia, and 13
states of the USA.

 

May you all have a happy and successful 2015!

 


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Dec 31 22:32:38 2014
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 20:32:38 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Holiday Party! (follow-up)
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References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACF22RC3KWdEkmLp1h8C0yTCgAAAEAAAAPfM6QiRi7lLqP8ARcFe2LYBAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <DCF87568EEAD4F90A7C9EA90B4D72B3E@HAL9007>

On behalf of the supporters I would like to thank John Bartow, without whose
efforts the list might have died.

Happy New Year.

Rocky   

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 4:20 PM
To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Holiday Party! (follow-up)
Importance: High

On behalf of the Database Advisors organization and administrative
volunteers I would like to thank those who have supported the Database
Advisors organization.

 

Due to the recent funding drive, our operations will able to run for
approximately 3 more years. DBA received funding from 3 Canadian provinces,
Denmark, Germany, Ireland, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, Russia, and 13
states of the USA.

 

May you all have a happy and successful 2015!

 

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