[AccessD] This seems to get me often

Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com
Wed Dec 24 12:19:20 CST 2014


Hi Arthur,
Yes, I see 3NF as a minimum, which is why I brought my question to this 
gang.  I knew there were people here who could push me in the right 
direction.
TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 12/24/2014 12:59 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> There's no such thing as a simple app. I have made that mistake more times
> than I can count. And I know that some of you, perhaps most, are happy with
> 3NF but I am not. I almost always go to BCNF or 5NF.
>
> Merry Christmas and/or happy holidays to everyone on this list.
>
> Arthur
>
> On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I completely agree. I had to pull up the animal db to see what I ended up
>> doing. I have an institution table and a contact table.
>>
>> Susan H.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Charlotte Foust <
>> charlotte.foust at gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>> Susan,
>>>
>>> I recognize your situation and understand.  Just know that the simple
>> apps
>>> have a way of sticking around forever and user appetites for new reports
>>> and features usually leads to a  need for normalization.  For me it's
>>> easier to just design that way from the start.  I'm lazy!
>>>
>>> Charlotte
>>> On Dec 24, 2014 5:28 AM, "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Charlotte, this makes perfect sense, but it isn't the way I would
>>> approach
>>>> it for a db I might be working on, but then, mine would be small and
>>>> specific. I know some of you use Access to create dbs with a much
>> broader
>>>> scope and that definitely impacts your design. I think perhaps the
>>> smaller
>>>> the project, the more freedom you have -- I might be wrong. :)
>>>>
>>>> It's kind of interesting because I downloaded a few knitting patterns
>>> this
>>>> morning and it hit me that designing a database is really a very
>> creative
>>>> endeavor. You have a pattern, you have stitches that you know and have
>>> used
>>>> for years -- but still, we all seem to bring our own personal process
>> to
>>>> the project. :) Another knitter can observe and with a minimal amount
>> of
>>>> explanation from you, they might say, "That's not how I would've done
>> it,
>>>> but that's nice!" :)
>>>>
>>>> When I stopped working in and writing about Access, I don't think I
>>>> realized how hard it would be to reclaim the skill. It's like riding a
>>> bike
>>>> right? Um... not for me. And speaking of... I tried riding a bike with
>> my
>>>> granddaughter a few years back. That wasn't so easy either. :)
>>>>
>>>> Susan H.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 8:02 PM, Charlotte Foust <
>>>> charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The donation table contains donation, amount, date, donorID, perhaps
>>> type
>>>>> of donation (i.e. pledge, lump sum, in kind, etc.).  You have a
>> persons
>>>>> table that includes a field for companyID because you probably want
>> to
>>>>> address any thank yous to that person's attention at their company,
>> if
>>>>> any.  The Company table is just that, companies.  It may have
>> multiple
>>>>> addresses so those are linked to the persons table.  If you put
>>> contacts
>>>>> into the company table, you will either wind up overwriting the
>>> contacts
>>>>> for future donations, or you'll have duplicates of the company for
>>>>> different contacts.  The persons and companies table have addresses
>> in
>>> an
>>>>> Address table whose PK is inserted as an FK in the appropriate table.
>>>> Does
>>>>> that seem any clearer?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Charlotte
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> A donor can be an individual or an organization -- they're all
>>> donors.
>>>>>> Donor is the entity, the name and type of donor all belong to
>> donor.
>>>>> Right?
>>>>>> Susan H.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 7:36 PM, Charlotte Foust <
>>>>>> charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ​Not without denormalizing the table.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Charlotte​
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Susan Harkins <
>>> ssharkins at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is there anyway to have orgs and individuals in the same table?
>>>>>>>
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