From actebs at actebs.com.au  Sun Feb  2 06:14:06 2014
From: actebs at actebs.com.au (ACTEBS)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 23:14:06 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Multiple Unbound Text Boxes After Update Event
Message-ID: <000001cf2010$44bebc30$ce3c3490$@actebs.com.au>

Hi Everyone,

 

I have a form that has a sections with 100 separate text boxes that require
users input. Once the user inputs values it triggers various calculations to
be carried out.

 

My question is, instead of having an After Update event triggered for each
text box, which is a lot of code to manage, is it possible to execute the
code in some other fashion that applies to these 100 text boxes only, but
can be placed in one module?

 

There are other text boxes and combo boxes on this form, but I don't want
the code to apply to them. Is this possible?

 

Thanks

 

Vlad

 

 




From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sun Feb  2 07:57:42 2014
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2014 17:57:42 +0400
Subject: [AccessD]
 =?utf-8?q?Multiple_Unbound_Text_Boxes_After_Update_Even?=
 =?utf-8?q?t?=
In-Reply-To: <000001cf2010$44bebc30$ce3c3490$@actebs.com.au>
References: <000001cf2010$44bebc30$ce3c3490$@actebs.com.au>
Message-ID: <1391349462.486619067@f327.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Vlad --

You can use WithEvents !?

If nobody will post a code sample here soon then I will post it in a few hours when I'm back home.

-- Shamil


Sunday, February  2, 2014 11:14 PM +11:00 from "ACTEBS" <actebs at actebs.com.au>:
>Hi Everyone,
>
>?
>
>I have a form that has a sections with 100 separate text boxes that require
>users input. Once the user inputs values it triggers various calculations to
>be carried out.
>
>?
>
>My question is, instead of having an After Update event triggered for each
>text box, which is a lot of code to manage, is it possible to execute the
>code in some other fashion that applies to these 100 text boxes only, but
>can be placed in one module?
>
>?
>
>There are other text boxes and combo boxes on this form, but I don't want
>the code to apply to them. Is this possible?
>
>?
>
>Thanks
>
>?
>
>Vlad
>
>?
>
>?
>
>
>
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Sun Feb  2 09:15:23 2014
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2014 10:15:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Multiple Unbound Text Boxes After Update Event
In-Reply-To: <000001cf2010$44bebc30$ce3c3490$@actebs.com.au>
References: <000001cf2010$44bebc30$ce3c3490$@actebs.com.au>
Message-ID: <DCC4A4133D7C4EBD96E9A640C8CA472C@XPS>


 As Shamil mentioned, you can with a text box class and with events, but
it's a lot of work to hook it up.

 What you can also do is write one procedure that accepts a form and control
reference as string arguments, and then with some code set all the
afterupdate events in the property sheet to that procedure.

 I can dig out an example if you want.

Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ACTEBS
Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 07:14 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Multiple Unbound Text Boxes After Update Event

Hi Everyone,

 

I have a form that has a sections with 100 separate text boxes that require
users input. Once the user inputs values it triggers various calculations to
be carried out.

 

My question is, instead of having an After Update event triggered for each
text box, which is a lot of code to manage, is it possible to execute the
code in some other fashion that applies to these 100 text boxes only, but
can be placed in one module?

 

There are other text boxes and combo boxes on this form, but I don't want
the code to apply to them. Is this possible?

 

Thanks

 

Vlad

 

 



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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sun Feb  2 09:35:42 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2014 10:35:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Multiple Unbound Text Boxes After Update Event
In-Reply-To: <DCC4A4133D7C4EBD96E9A640C8CA472C@XPS>
References: <000001cf2010$44bebc30$ce3c3490$@actebs.com.au>
	<DCC4A4133D7C4EBD96E9A640C8CA472C@XPS>
Message-ID: <52EE65CE.7030502@gmail.com>

Or use a class and a control scanner. Then use a naming convention such that each control that needs 
this stuff done has some common text in the name.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/2/2014 10:15 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
>   As Shamil mentioned, you can with a text box class and with events, but
> it's a lot of work to hook it up.
>
>   What you can also do is write one procedure that accepts a form and control
> reference as string arguments, and then with some code set all the
> afterupdate events in the property sheet to that procedure.
>
>   I can dig out an example if you want.
>
> Jim.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ACTEBS
> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 07:14 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Multiple Unbound Text Boxes After Update Event
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
>   
>
> I have a form that has a sections with 100 separate text boxes that require
> users input. Once the user inputs values it triggers various calculations to
> be carried out.
>
>   
>
> My question is, instead of having an After Update event triggered for each
> text box, which is a lot of code to manage, is it possible to execute the
> code in some other fashion that applies to these 100 text boxes only, but
> can be placed in one module?
>
>   
>
> There are other text boxes and combo boxes on this form, but I don't want
> the code to apply to them. Is this possible?
>
>   
>
> Thanks
>
>   
>
> Vlad
>
>   
>
>   
>
>
>


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sun Feb  2 11:07:03 2014
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2014 21:07:03 +0400
Subject: [AccessD]
 =?utf-8?q?Multiple_Unbound_Text_Boxes_After_Update_Even?=
 =?utf-8?q?t?=
In-Reply-To: <52EE65CE.7030502@gmail.com>
References: <000001cf2010$44bebc30$ce3c3490$@actebs.com.au>
	<DCC4A4133D7C4EBD96E9A640C8CA472C@XPS> <52EE65CE.7030502@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1391360823.809625022@f300.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Vlad,

As Jim noted WithEvents would be an overkill - just use code behind:

Private Sub Form_Load()
Dim ectl As Object
For Each ectl In Me.Controls
If ectl.ControlType = 109 Then
ectl.AfterUpdate = "=TextBox_AfterUpdate()"
End If
Next ectl
End Sub


and standard module function
Public Function TextBox_AfterUpdate()
Dim txt As TextBox
Set txt = Application.Screen.ActiveControl
Debug.Print "After update [" & txt.Name & "] = " & _
"'" & txt.Value & "'"
End Function

or instead of code behind you can use a function from a standard module to set AfterUpdate event processing function for TextBox controls of a form, which instance object reference is passed in parameter:

Public Sub SetAfterUpdateHandler(ByRef frm As Form)
Dim ectl As Object
For Each ectl In frm.Controls
If ectl.ControlType = 109 Then
ectl.AfterUpdate = "=TextBox_AfterUpdate([Form])"
End If
Next ectl
End Sub
Public Function TextBox_AfterUpdate(ByRef frm As Form)
Dim txt As TextBox
Set txt = frm.ActiveControl
Debug.Print "After update [" & txt.Name & "] = " & _
"'" & txt.Value & "'"
End Function


> There are other text boxes and combo boxes on this form, but I don't want
> the code to apply to them. Is this possible?
Just skip them while you're setting AfterUpdate event handler - as JC noted - use a naming convention or .Tag property with special values for the controls to be skipped or to have their AfterUpdate event handler set.

-- Shamil


Sunday, February  2, 2014 10:35 AM -05:00 from John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com>:
>Or use a class and a control scanner. Then use a naming convention such that each control that needs 
>this stuff done has some common text in the name.
>
>John W. Colby
>
>Reality is what refuses to go away
>when you do not believe in it
>
>On 2/2/2014 10:15 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
>>   As Shamil mentioned, you can with a text box class and with events, but
>> it's a lot of work to hook it up.
>>
>>   What you can also do is write one procedure that accepts a form and control
>> reference as string arguments, and then with some code set all the
>> afterupdate events in the property sheet to that procedure.
>>
>>   I can dig out an example if you want.
>>
>> Jim.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:  accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ACTEBS
>> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 07:14 AM
>> To:  accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: [AccessD] Multiple Unbound Text Boxes After Update Event
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> 
>>
>> I have a form that has a sections with 100 separate text boxes that require
>> users input. Once the user inputs values it triggers various calculations to
>> be carried out.
>>
>> 
>>
>> My question is, instead of having an After Update event triggered for each
>> text box, which is a lot of code to manage, is it possible to execute the
>> code in some other fashion that applies to these 100 text boxes only, but
>> can be placed in one module?
>>
>> 
>>
>> There are other text boxes and combo boxes on this form, but I don't want
>> the code to apply to them. Is this possible?
>>
>> 
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> 
>>
>> Vlad
>>
>


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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Sun Feb  2 12:38:14 2014
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 10:38:14 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Multiple Unbound Text Boxes After Update Event
In-Reply-To: <MV8c1n00W0xgD8Z01V8gkA>
References: <000001cf2010$44bebc30$ce3c3490$@actebs.com.au>	<DCC4A4133D7C4EBD96E9A640C8CA472C@XPS>
	<52EE65CE.7030502@gmail.com> <MV8c1n00W0xgD8Z01V8gkA>
Message-ID: <004a01cf2045$eefacd80$ccf06880$@cox.net>

I do something similar to this on a form with a similar number of text entry boxes. I call a routine from load that is as follows;

    For Each ctl In Me
        If ctl.ControlType = acTextBox Then
            If ctl.Tag <> "False" Then
                ctl.AfterUpdate = "=DataCheck()"
            End If
        End If
        
    Next

Certain text boxes don't require the check so I use the control tag to designate this. Works well and is simple.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 9:07 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Multiple Unbound Text Boxes After Update Event

 Hi Vlad,

As Jim noted WithEvents would be an overkill - just use code behind:

Private Sub Form_Load()
Dim ectl As Object
For Each ectl In Me.Controls
If ectl.ControlType = 109 Then
ectl.AfterUpdate = "=TextBox_AfterUpdate()"
End If
Next ectl
End Sub


and standard module function
Public Function TextBox_AfterUpdate()
Dim txt As TextBox
Set txt = Application.Screen.ActiveControl Debug.Print "After update [" & txt.Name & "] = " & _ "'" & txt.Value & "'"
End Function

or instead of code behind you can use a function from a standard module to set AfterUpdate event processing function for TextBox controls of a form, which instance object reference is passed in parameter:

Public Sub SetAfterUpdateHandler(ByRef frm As Form) Dim ectl As Object For Each ectl In frm.Controls If ectl.ControlType = 109 Then ectl.AfterUpdate = "=TextBox_AfterUpdate([Form])"
End If
Next ectl
End Sub
Public Function TextBox_AfterUpdate(ByRef frm As Form) Dim txt As TextBox Set txt = frm.ActiveControl Debug.Print "After update [" & txt.Name & "] = " & _ "'" & txt.Value & "'"
End Function


> There are other text boxes and combo boxes on this form, but I don't 
> want the code to apply to them. Is this possible?
Just skip them while you're setting AfterUpdate event handler - as JC noted - use a naming convention or .Tag property with special values for the controls to be skipped or to have their AfterUpdate event handler set.

-- Shamil


Sunday, February  2, 2014 10:35 AM -05:00 from John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com>:
>Or use a class and a control scanner. Then use a naming convention such 
>that each control that needs this stuff done has some common text in the name.
>
>John W. Colby
>
>Reality is what refuses to go away
>when you do not believe in it
>
>On 2/2/2014 10:15 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
>>   As Shamil mentioned, you can with a text box class and with events, 
>> but it's a lot of work to hook it up.
>>
>>   What you can also do is write one procedure that accepts a form and 
>> control reference as string arguments, and then with some code set 
>> all the afterupdate events in the property sheet to that procedure.
>>
>>   I can dig out an example if you want.
>>
>> Jim.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:  accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ACTEBS
>> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 07:14 AM
>> To:  accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: [AccessD] Multiple Unbound Text Boxes After Update Event
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> 
>>
>> I have a form that has a sections with 100 separate text boxes that 
>> require users input. Once the user inputs values it triggers various 
>> calculations to be carried out.
>>
>> 
>>
>> My question is, instead of having an After Update event triggered for 
>> each text box, which is a lot of code to manage, is it possible to 
>> execute the code in some other fashion that applies to these 100 text 
>> boxes only, but can be placed in one module?
>>
>> 
>>
>> There are other text boxes and combo boxes on this form, but I don't 
>> want the code to apply to them. Is this possible?
>>
>> 
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> 
>>
>> Vlad
>>
>


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From actebs at actebs.com.au  Sun Feb  2 19:05:00 2014
From: actebs at actebs.com.au (ACTEBS)
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 12:05:00 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Multiple Unbound Text Boxes After Update Event
In-Reply-To: <004a01cf2045$eefacd80$ccf06880$@cox.net>
References: <000001cf2010$44bebc30$ce3c3490$@actebs.com.au>	<DCC4A4133D7C4EBD96E9A640C8CA472C@XPS><52EE65CE.7030502@gmail.com>
	<MV8c1n00W0xgD8Z01V8gkA> <004a01cf2045$eefacd80$ccf06880$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <000501cf207b$f635c920$e2a15b60$@actebs.com.au>

Hi Shamil\Dan\Everyone,

Thank you, thank you, thank you. You guys are Gods. Saved me a truckload of time.

Vlad

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Monday, 3 February 2014 5:38 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Multiple Unbound Text Boxes After Update Event

I do something similar to this on a form with a similar number of text entry boxes. I call a routine from load that is as follows;

    For Each ctl In Me
        If ctl.ControlType = acTextBox Then
            If ctl.Tag <> "False" Then
                ctl.AfterUpdate = "=DataCheck()"
            End If
        End If
        
    Next

Certain text boxes don't require the check so I use the control tag to designate this. Works well and is simple.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 9:07 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Multiple Unbound Text Boxes After Update Event

 Hi Vlad,

As Jim noted WithEvents would be an overkill - just use code behind:

Private Sub Form_Load()
Dim ectl As Object
For Each ectl In Me.Controls
If ectl.ControlType = 109 Then
ectl.AfterUpdate = "=TextBox_AfterUpdate()"
End If
Next ectl
End Sub


and standard module function
Public Function TextBox_AfterUpdate()
Dim txt As TextBox
Set txt = Application.Screen.ActiveControl Debug.Print "After update [" & txt.Name & "] = " & _ "'" & txt.Value & "'"
End Function

or instead of code behind you can use a function from a standard module to set AfterUpdate event processing function for TextBox controls of a form, which instance object reference is passed in parameter:

Public Sub SetAfterUpdateHandler(ByRef frm As Form) Dim ectl As Object For Each ectl In frm.Controls If ectl.ControlType = 109 Then ectl.AfterUpdate = "=TextBox_AfterUpdate([Form])"
End If
Next ectl
End Sub
Public Function TextBox_AfterUpdate(ByRef frm As Form) Dim txt As TextBox Set txt = frm.ActiveControl Debug.Print "After update [" & txt.Name & "] = " & _ "'" & txt.Value & "'"
End Function


> There are other text boxes and combo boxes on this form, but I don't 
> want the code to apply to them. Is this possible?
Just skip them while you're setting AfterUpdate event handler - as JC noted - use a naming convention or .Tag property with special values for the controls to be skipped or to have their AfterUpdate event handler set.

-- Shamil


Sunday, February  2, 2014 10:35 AM -05:00 from John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com>:
>Or use a class and a control scanner. Then use a naming convention such 
>that each control that needs this stuff done has some common text in the name.
>
>John W. Colby
>
>Reality is what refuses to go away
>when you do not believe in it
>
>On 2/2/2014 10:15 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
>>   As Shamil mentioned, you can with a text box class and with events, 
>> but it's a lot of work to hook it up.
>>
>>   What you can also do is write one procedure that accepts a form and 
>> control reference as string arguments, and then with some code set 
>> all the afterupdate events in the property sheet to that procedure.
>>
>>   I can dig out an example if you want.
>>
>> Jim.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:  accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ACTEBS
>> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 07:14 AM
>> To:  accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: [AccessD] Multiple Unbound Text Boxes After Update Event
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> 
>>
>> I have a form that has a sections with 100 separate text boxes that 
>> require users input. Once the user inputs values it triggers various 
>> calculations to be carried out.
>>
>> 
>>
>> My question is, instead of having an After Update event triggered for 
>> each text box, which is a lot of code to manage, is it possible to 
>> execute the code in some other fashion that applies to these 100 text 
>> boxes only, but can be placed in one module?
>>
>> 
>>
>> There are other text boxes and combo boxes on this form, but I don't 
>> want the code to apply to them. Is this possible?
>>
>> 
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> 
>>
>> Vlad
>>
>


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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Feb  3 12:17:34 2014
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 18:17:34 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Macros not working in Access 2010
Message-ID: <CAGXtTCgnA+9XVH2C=9YVOkdwhX_973Xj_DQmz=Z39Mu3Hf2i0Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hello AccessD Friends,

I was knowledgeable on Access 2.0 and even 95 and 97 but I rarely used it
nowadays.  I joined AccessD in 87/98.

I have a client with an Access 2010 db.  They are using some DLookups a
macro to pull records from the switchboard table.  It is not quite the
regular switchboard, but it seems to work well.

It works on 4/5 machines but on one of the machines the macro does not seem
to fire and they get no menu.  I have gone to Trust centre and enabled all
macros.

Any idea why the macro does not fire on one machine but the same mdb file
works perfect on another machine on the network.

thanks in advance for your advice.

Mark Breen

From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Feb  3 13:09:09 2014
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2014 14:09:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Macros not working in Access 2010
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTCgnA+9XVH2C=9YVOkdwhX_973Xj_DQmz=Z39Mu3Hf2i0Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGXtTCgnA+9XVH2C=9YVOkdwhX_973Xj_DQmz=Z39Mu3Hf2i0Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2A0A6DD94C6D49ADAC5E9B12B0B518A2@XPS>


 Has to be security.  I would double check what you did in Trust Center.
The simplest is to add the location of the DB as a trusted location.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 01:18 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Macros not working in Access 2010

Hello AccessD Friends,

I was knowledgeable on Access 2.0 and even 95 and 97 but I rarely used it
nowadays.  I joined AccessD in 87/98.

I have a client with an Access 2010 db.  They are using some DLookups a
macro to pull records from the switchboard table.  It is not quite the
regular switchboard, but it seems to work well.

It works on 4/5 machines but on one of the machines the macro does not seem
to fire and they get no menu.  I have gone to Trust centre and enabled all
macros.

Any idea why the macro does not fire on one machine but the same mdb file
works perfect on another machine on the network.

thanks in advance for your advice.

Mark Breen
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Mon Feb  3 16:31:38 2014
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 22:31:38 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Macros not working in Access 2010
In-Reply-To: <2A0A6DD94C6D49ADAC5E9B12B0B518A2@XPS>
References: <CAGXtTCgnA+9XVH2C=9YVOkdwhX_973Xj_DQmz=Z39Mu3Hf2i0Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<2A0A6DD94C6D49ADAC5E9B12B0B518A2@XPS>
Message-ID: <f429fe50bfb34756bd14538def891215@HKXPR04MB184.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

For some reason a little neuron in the back of my brain is also firing up saying "check the folder permissions".
I seem to recall that the users need to have read / write permissions on the folder for this to work.  Might be dreaming, but worth a look I guess.

Cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, 4 February 2014 6:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Macros not working in Access 2010


 Has to be security.  I would double check what you did in Trust Center.
The simplest is to add the location of the DB as a trusted location.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 01:18 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Macros not working in Access 2010

Hello AccessD Friends,

I was knowledgeable on Access 2.0 and even 95 and 97 but I rarely used it nowadays.  I joined AccessD in 87/98.

I have a client with an Access 2010 db.  They are using some DLookups a macro to pull records from the switchboard table.  It is not quite the regular switchboard, but it seems to work well.

It works on 4/5 machines but on one of the machines the macro does not seem to fire and they get no menu.  I have gone to Trust centre and enabled all macros.

Any idea why the macro does not fire on one machine but the same mdb file works perfect on another machine on the network.

thanks in advance for your advice.

Mark Breen
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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Tue Feb  4 07:53:19 2014
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 08:53:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Multiple Unbound Text Boxes After Update Event - ADD
 ON QUESTION
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I was actually going to ask a similar question this morning...
 
I have essentially 3 groups of questions, and I'd like to present one of these groups, based on the value of another field. And, I was wondering if I could group them and do it that way. I was even thinking about giving the fields a certain naming convention to do this...
 
So, it is good to know it can be done. BUT...I'm still a bit shaky (to say the least) on how to carry this off. 

>>> John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> 2/2/2014 10:35 AM >>>
Or use a class and a control scanner. Then use a naming convention such that each control that needs 
this stuff done has some common text in the name.


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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Feb  4 08:15:41 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 09:15:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Multiple Unbound Text Boxes After Update Event - ADD
	ON QUESTION
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Probably you want one of the groups to be visible by default. First of all,
give all the controls within each group a similar name, such as
grp1TextBox1. That will simplify handling them. Then make all the grp2
agrp3 controls invisible. After that it's simple to handle them in your
AfterUpdate event.

HTH,
Arthur


On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 8:53 AM, John Clark <John.Clark at niagaracounty.com>wrote:

> I was actually going to ask a similar question this morning...
>
> I have essentially 3 groups of questions, and I'd like to present one of
> these groups, based on the value of another field. And, I was wondering if
> I could group them and do it that way. I was even thinking about giving the
> fields a certain naming convention to do this...
>
> So, it is good to know it can be done. BUT...I'm still a bit shaky (to say
> the least) on how to carry this off.
>
> >>> John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> 2/2/2014 10:35 AM >>>
> Or use a class and a control scanner. Then use a naming convention such
> that each control that needs
> this stuff done has some common text in the name.
>
>
>

From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Tue Feb  4 08:22:43 2014
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 09:22:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Multiple Unbound Text Boxes After Update Event - ADD
 ON QUESTION
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1irMOGP09pNOf5_9yqOo99vyExNg-+JRJRA-Nqq9Jugxw@mail.gmail.com>
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I feel like I'm missing something though Arthur...what command/code do I use? I'm thinking along the lines of a WITH statement, but that won't exactly do it, if I'm thinking correctly. 

>>> Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> 2/4/2014 9:15 AM >>>
Probably you want one of the groups to be visible by default. First of all,
give all the controls within each group a similar name, such as
grp1TextBox1. That will simplify handling them. Then make all the grp2
agrp3 controls invisible. After that it's simple to handle them in your
AfterUpdate event.

HTH,
Arthur


On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 8:53 AM, John Clark <John.Clark at niagaracounty.com>wrote:

> I was actually going to ask a similar question this morning...
>
> I have essentially 3 groups of questions, and I'd like to present one of
> these groups, based on the value of another field. And, I was wondering if
> I could group them and do it that way. I was even thinking about giving the
> fields a certain naming convention to do this...
>
> So, it is good to know it can be done. BUT...I'm still a bit shaky (to say
> the least) on how to carry this off.
>

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From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Tue Feb  4 08:23:50 2014
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 14:23:50 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Multiple Unbound Text Boxes After Update Event - ADD
	ON QUESTION
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I have done this two ways in the past, either as arthur says name them with
grp1, grp2, grp3 and I have also created three frames and put the set of
text boxes in each frame, then made a frame visible/invisible depending on
a response to another field.

Paul


On 4 February 2014 14:15, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> Probably you want one of the groups to be visible by default. First of all,
> give all the controls within each group a similar name, such as
> grp1TextBox1. That will simplify handling them. Then make all the grp2
> agrp3 controls invisible. After that it's simple to handle them in your
> AfterUpdate event.
>
> HTH,
> Arthur
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 8:53 AM, John Clark <John.Clark at niagaracounty.com
> >wrote:
>
> > I was actually going to ask a similar question this morning...
> >
> > I have essentially 3 groups of questions, and I'd like to present one of
> > these groups, based on the value of another field. And, I was wondering
> if
> > I could group them and do it that way. I was even thinking about giving
> the
> > fields a certain naming convention to do this...
> >
> > So, it is good to know it can be done. BUT...I'm still a bit shaky (to
> say
> > the least) on how to carry this off.
> >
> > >>> John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> 2/2/2014 10:35 AM >>>
> > Or use a class and a control scanner. Then use a naming convention such
> > that each control that needs
> > this stuff done has some common text in the name.
> >
> >
> >
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From df.waters at comcast.net  Tue Feb  4 08:41:47 2014
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 08:41:47 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] So Access has a Future?
Message-ID: <003a01cf21b7$3b5ac550$b2104ff0$@comcast.net>

I just scanned this article - from what I can tell, it looks like developers
will be able to sell Access apps in Microsoft's Office Store .

 

http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-gives-access-store-apps-the-general-availabil
ity-green-light-7000025891/

 

 

Thanks!

Dan Waters 

 


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Feb  4 10:29:35 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 11:29:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] So Access has a Future?
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Now this is very interesting! I have a few apps that given the world-wide
market, might generate some revenue for me. They are niche-apps, such as
for example an app for horse-riding stables, a niche market to be sure; and
another intended for NPOs that "employ" a base of volunteers. This might be
a path to enhancing my pension payments LOL. Wouldn't that be a shocker?

Arthur


On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Dan Waters <df.waters at comcast.net> wrote:

> I just scanned this article - from what I can tell, it looks like
> developers
> will be able to sell Access apps in Microsoft's Office Store .
>
>
>
>
> http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-gives-access-store-apps-the-general-availabil
> ity-green-light-7000025891/
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Dan Waters
>
>
>
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Feb  4 11:18:19 2014
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 12:18:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] So Access has a Future?
In-Reply-To: <003a01cf21b7$3b5ac550$b2104ff0$@comcast.net>
References: <003a01cf21b7$3b5ac550$b2104ff0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <B378752F286C46C2B3EF95D33373F277@XPS>


 Yeah, but these are not your Access apps;  their talking about 2013 web
based Access applications.

 Any Access DB you have today can't be made through the store, nor 2007 or
2010 web DB's

Jim. 

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Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 09:42 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] So Access has a Future?

I just scanned this article - from what I can tell, it looks like developers
will be able to sell Access apps in Microsoft's Office Store .

 

http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-gives-access-store-apps-the-general-availabil
ity-green-light-7000025891/

 

 

Thanks!

Dan Waters 

 

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Feb  4 13:16:09 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 14:16:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] So Access has a Future?
In-Reply-To: <B378752F286C46C2B3EF95D33373F277@XPS>
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	<B378752F286C46C2B3EF95D33373F277@XPS>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iTHiHzO3NCytZub=bCN8qMerWbFqHhygMbC8CVXM-=Dg@mail.gmail.com>

O well. Back to Alpha Anywhere, which is in every way superior. I can live
with that choice.

Arthur


On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>  Yeah, but these are not your Access apps;  their talking about 2013 web
> based Access applications.
>
>  Any Access DB you have today can't be made through the store, nor 2007 or
> 2010 web DB's
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 09:42 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] So Access has a Future?
>
> I just scanned this article - from what I can tell, it looks like
> developers
> will be able to sell Access apps in Microsoft's Office Store .
>
>
>
>
> http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-gives-access-store-apps-the-general-availabil
> ity-green-light-7000025891/
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Dan Waters
>
>
>
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Feb  4 13:32:29 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 14:32:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Multiple Unbound Text Boxes After Update Event - ADD
 ON QUESTION
In-Reply-To: <52F0B1630200006B0003184B@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
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	<52F0B1630200006B0003184B@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
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John,

I need more information before suggesting a solution.

1) How many text boxes?
2) How many groups?
3) Bound or unbound forms / controls?

Before you do anything, you need to decide on the data storage method.

1) One big record with a field for each answer for all three groups.  Works OK if the questions are 
carved in stone.  Yea right.
2) Three tables, one for each group, designed like #1 above.
3) A record for each answer (probably the "best" solution) with an FK back to the question being 
answered and another to the "person" record of the test taker.

I tend to think code in OO.  IOW this is not a form but a process where the form is an interface to 
the process.  I will just throw a couple of ideas out.

Given three groups of questions,

1)  you could do three subforms.
2) You could do three tabs
3) You could do three containers
4) You could do all the text boxes in one big mess.

The reason I ask all of this is to discover how complex the code behind the form is going to be.  I 
despise forms with a mile long printout of code, with two hundred event handlers, the same thing 
over and over for each control of the same type.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/4/2014 9:22 AM, John Clark wrote:
> I feel like I'm missing something though Arthur...what command/code do I use? I'm thinking along the lines of a WITH statement, but that won't exactly do it, if I'm thinking correctly.
>
>>>> Arthur Fuller<fuller.artful at gmail.com>  2/4/2014 9:15 AM >>>
> Probably you want one of the groups to be visible by default. First of all,
> give all the controls within each group a similar name, such as
> grp1TextBox1. That will simplify handling them. Then make all the grp2
> agrp3 controls invisible. After that it's simple to handle them in your
> AfterUpdate event.
>
> HTH,
> Arthur
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 8:53 AM, John Clark<John.Clark at niagaracounty.com>wrote:
>
>> I was actually going to ask a similar question this morning...
>>
>> I have essentially 3 groups of questions, and I'd like to present one of
>> these groups, based on the value of another field. And, I was wondering if
>> I could group them and do it that way. I was even thinking about giving the
>> fields a certain naming convention to do this...
>>
>> So, it is good to know it can be done. BUT...I'm still a bit shaky (to say
>> the least) on how to carry this off.
>>
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Feb  4 13:36:12 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 14:36:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] So Access has a Future?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iTHiHzO3NCytZub=bCN8qMerWbFqHhygMbC8CVXM-=Dg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <003a01cf21b7$3b5ac550$b2104ff0$@comcast.net>	<B378752F286C46C2B3EF95D33373F277@XPS>
	<CAEPJO1iTHiHzO3NCytZub=bCN8qMerWbFqHhygMbC8CVXM-=Dg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52F1412C.8080800@gmail.com>

Superior?  How can you say that?  At least with Access once you discover a bug in Access2003 you can 
count on that bug being there for the rest of eternity!  No more wondering whether you have to 
program around the bugs.  You just KNOW that you do.  You can plan for these things!  Hell, some of 
our bugs have been around since Access 2000.

;)

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/4/2014 2:16 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> O well. Back to Alpha Anywhere, which is in every way superior. I can live
> with that choice.
>
> Arthur
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>   Yeah, but these are not your Access apps;  their talking about 2013 web
>> based Access applications.
>>
>>   Any Access DB you have today can't be made through the store, nor 2007 or
>> 2010 web DB's
>>
>> Jim.
>>


From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Tue Feb  4 14:18:29 2014
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 15:18:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] So Access has a Future?
In-Reply-To: <52F1412C.8080800@gmail.com>
References: <003a01cf21b7$3b5ac550$b2104ff0$@comcast.net>
	<B378752F286C46C2B3EF95D33373F277@XPS>
	<CAEPJO1iTHiHzO3NCytZub=bCN8qMerWbFqHhygMbC8CVXM-=Dg@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F1412C.8080800@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9802850B7652@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>

Does the SendKeys bug still exist? That's been there since Access 1.0 IIRC.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 2:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] So Access has a Future?

Superior?  How can you say that?  At least with Access once you discover a bug in Access2003 you can count on that bug being there for the rest of eternity!  No more wondering whether you have to program around the bugs.  You just KNOW that you do.  You can plan for these things!  Hell, some of our bugs have been around since Access 2000.

;)

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/4/2014 2:16 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> O well. Back to Alpha Anywhere, which is in every way superior. I can live
> with that choice.
>
> Arthur
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>   Yeah, but these are not your Access apps;  their talking about 2013 web
>> based Access applications.
>>
>>   Any Access DB you have today can't be made through the store, nor 2007 or
>> 2010 web DB's
>>
>> Jim.
>>

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From actebs at actebs.com.au  Tue Feb  4 20:04:57 2014
From: actebs at actebs.com.au (ACTEBS)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 13:04:57 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Multiple Unbound Text Boxes After Update Event - ADD
	ON QUESTION
In-Reply-To: <52F0B1630200006B0003184B@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
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	<52F0B1630200006B0003184B@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <000601cf2216$ab174e90$0145ebb0$@actebs.com.au>

Hi John,

The way I did it was like this thanks to Shamil and Dan:

I used the Tag property of each of the text boxes I wanted the code to
manage, in my case I set it to True. Then I created a table with the
following fields:

FieldID > Autonumber Primary Key
JobDetailID  > JobDetailID this data relates to
FieldName > Actual field Name that was being recorded from the form
FieldValue > The value being recorded from the field

To save having to manage changes/edits on the users part, I just delete all
the old data relating to that Job and recreate it with whatever is there
now. The method used to save the data is as follows:

Private Sub SaveFibreData()
    Dim strSQL As String
    Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
    Dim dbs As DAO.Database
    Dim ctl As Control
    
    strSQL = "select * from tblJobFibresField where JobDetailID = " &
Nz(Me.JobDetailID, 0)
    
    Set dbs = OpenDatabase(BELocation)
    Set rst = dbs.OpenRecordset(strSQL, dbOpenDynaset)
    
    If rst.RecordCount > 0 Then
        rst.MoveFirst
        Do Until rst.EOF
            With rst
                .Delete
            End With
        rst.MoveNext
        Loop
    End If
    
    For Each ctl In Me.Controls
        If ctl.ControlType = acTextBox Then
            If ctl.Tag = "True" Then
                If Nz(ctl, 0) <> 0 Then
                    With rst
                        .AddNew
                        !JobDetailID = Nz(Me.JobDetailID, 0)
                        !FieldName = ctl.Name
                        !FieldValue = ctl.Value
                        .Update
                    End With
                End If
            End If
        End If
    Next ctl
      
    rst.Close
    Set rst = Nothing
    dbs.Close
    Set dbs = Nothing
End Sub

This how I return the values to the field when user want to edit that data:

Private Sub GetJobFibreFieldValues()
    Dim strSQL As String
    Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
    Dim dbs As DAO.Database
    Dim ctl As Control
    
    strSQL = "select * from tblJobFibresField where JobDetailID = " &
Nz(Me.JobDetailID, 0)
    
    Set dbs = OpenDatabase(BELocation)
    Set rst = dbs.OpenRecordset(strSQL, dbOpenDynaset)
     
    For Each ctl In Me.Controls
        If ctl.ControlType = acTextBox Then
            If ctl.Tag = "True" Then
                If rst.RecordCount > 0 Then
                    rst.MoveFirst
                    Do Until rst.EOF
                        With rst
                            If ctl.Name = rst!FieldName Then
                                ctl = !FieldValue
                            End If
                        End With
                    rst.MoveNext
                    Loop
                End If
            End If
        End If
    Next ctl
      
    rst.Close
    Set rst = Nothing
    dbs.Close
    Set dbs = Nothing    

End Sub

Hope that helps...

Vlad

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Wednesday, 5 February 2014 1:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Multiple Unbound Text Boxes After Update Event - ADD
ON QUESTION

I feel like I'm missing something though Arthur...what command/code do I
use? I'm thinking along the lines of a WITH statement, but that won't
exactly do it, if I'm thinking correctly. 

>>> Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> 2/4/2014 9:15 AM >>>
Probably you want one of the groups to be visible by default. First of all,
give all the controls within each group a similar name, such as
grp1TextBox1. That will simplify handling them. Then make all the grp2
agrp3 controls invisible. After that it's simple to handle them in your
AfterUpdate event.

HTH,
Arthur


On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 8:53 AM, John Clark
<John.Clark at niagaracounty.com>wrote:

> I was actually going to ask a similar question this morning...
>
> I have essentially 3 groups of questions, and I'd like to present one 
> of these groups, based on the value of another field. And, I was 
> wondering if I could group them and do it that way. I was even 
> thinking about giving the fields a certain naming convention to do this...
>
> So, it is good to know it can be done. BUT...I'm still a bit shaky (to 
> say the least) on how to carry this off.
>

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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Tue Feb  4 22:09:34 2014
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 20:09:34 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Macros not working in Access 2010
In-Reply-To: <f429fe50bfb34756bd14538def891215@HKXPR04MB184.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAGXtTCgnA+9XVH2C=9YVOkdwhX_973Xj_DQmz=Z39Mu3Hf2i0Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<2A0A6DD94C6D49ADAC5E9B12B0B518A2@XPS>
	<f429fe50bfb34756bd14538def891215@HKXPR04MB184.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9ebWwSUPWi50Lxqr5KkWePNX24gxR82q5NtNrrN6ZSbg@mail.gmail.com>

They also need file delete permissions if they're the last one out or the
ldb file won't get deleted if they're using an mdb.

Charlotte


On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Darryl Collins <
darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> For some reason a little neuron in the back of my brain is also firing up
> saying "check the folder permissions".
> I seem to recall that the users need to have read / write permissions on
> the folder for this to work.  Might be dreaming, but worth a look I guess.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Tuesday, 4 February 2014 6:09 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Macros not working in Access 2010
>
>
>  Has to be security.  I would double check what you did in Trust Center.
> The simplest is to add the location of the DB as a trusted location.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 01:18 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Macros not working in Access 2010
>
> Hello AccessD Friends,
>
> I was knowledgeable on Access 2.0 and even 95 and 97 but I rarely used it
> nowadays.  I joined AccessD in 87/98.
>
> I have a client with an Access 2010 db.  They are using some DLookups a
> macro to pull records from the switchboard table.  It is not quite the
> regular switchboard, but it seems to work well.
>
> It works on 4/5 machines but on one of the machines the macro does not
> seem to fire and they get no menu.  I have gone to Trust centre and enabled
> all macros.
>
> Any idea why the macro does not fire on one machine but the same mdb file
> works perfect on another machine on the network.
>
> thanks in advance for your advice.
>
> Mark Breen
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Feb  4 22:43:41 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 21:43:41 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] So Access has a Future?
In-Reply-To: <B378752F286C46C2B3EF95D33373F277@XPS>
Message-ID: <1573522745.1050891.1391575421401.JavaMail.root@cds002>

I concur Jim

To my way of thinking they are not real apps but just light weight batch and macro files. Maybe in a couple of versions things may improve but not today. (I can just use the Libra Base application; runs the same and just builds forms, queries and reports, all macro driven...and I am not beholding to any company or private Cloud.) 

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2014 9:18:19 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] So Access has a Future?


 Yeah, but these are not your Access apps;  their talking about 2013 web
based Access applications.

 Any Access DB you have today can't be made through the store, nor 2007 or
2010 web DB's

Jim. 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 09:42 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] So Access has a Future?

I just scanned this article - from what I can tell, it looks like developers
will be able to sell Access apps in Microsoft's Office Store .

 

http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-gives-access-store-apps-the-general-availabil
ity-green-light-7000025891/

 

 

Thanks!

Dan Waters 

 

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Feb  5 03:13:53 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 10:13:53 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] So Access has a Future?
Message-ID: <008601cf2252$978c2300$c6a46900$@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Not to mention the persistent bug for calculating the ISO week number 53
with the date functions. 
This has existed since 1.0 and is still in 2013. But there is more: It has
been carried over to .Net, thus the similar VB.NET function have the same
bug.

/gustav

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Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John W Colby
Sendt: 4. februar 2014 20:36
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] So Access has a Future?

Superior?  How can you say that?  At least with Access once you discover a
bug in Access2003 you can count on that bug being there for the rest of
eternity!  No more wondering whether you have to program around the bugs.
You just KNOW that you do.  You can plan for these things!  Hell, some of
our bugs have been around since Access 2000.

;)

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/4/2014 2:16 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> O well. Back to Alpha Anywhere, which is in every way superior. I can live
> with that choice.
>
> Arthur
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net>
wrote:
>
>>   Yeah, but these are not your Access apps;  their talking about 2013 web
>> based Access applications.
>>
>>   Any Access DB you have today can't be made through the store, nor 2007
or
>> 2010 web DB's
>>
>> Jim.



From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Feb  5 13:13:42 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 12:13:42 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] SQLite
In-Reply-To: <52F28464.6070800@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <106298263.1671376.1391627622728.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi All:

I have just been asked to connect SQLite to an Access DB. Has anyone had any experience with this product?

http://www.sqlite.org/

Jim

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Feb  5 15:06:05 2014
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 07:06:05 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-Tech] SQLite
In-Reply-To: <106298263.1671376.1391627622728.JavaMail.root@cds002>
References: <52F28464.6070800@earthlink.net>,
	<106298263.1671376.1391627622728.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <52F2A7BD.21868.D877B1F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

SQLite is a single user, embedded database engine. It is the default engine which comes on 
all Android devices.  In Windows, it is a single DLL.

I've written several applications for transferring data between Access/SQL Server and 
SQLite.(using PowerBASIC) for moving data between tablets and Windows, but not 
interfaced with it directly through Access.  The problem is that Access is multi-user and 
SQLite is single user.  

If your Access application is single user, you can download and instal the SQLite3 ODBC 
driver and  then just use your SQLIte database file as an ODBC source, but be very careful if 
it is multi-user.   


On 5 Feb 2014 at 12:13, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Hi All:
> 
> I have just been asked to connect SQLite to an Access DB. Has anyone
> had any experience with this product?
> 
> http://www.sqlite.org/
> 
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
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From dbdoug at gmail.com  Wed Feb  5 16:24:01 2014
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 14:24:01 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-Tech] SQLite
In-Reply-To: <52F2A7BD.21868.D877B1F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <52F28464.6070800@earthlink.net>
	<106298263.1671376.1391627622728.JavaMail.root@cds002>
	<52F2A7BD.21868.D877B1F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAFa8Nkg47U73==eOr=eyQz9qfxy1pk4pzn1u+Q3=CKRJ3v2Lqg@mail.gmail.com>

It's also pretty well the default database for iOS and OSX.




On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> SQLite is a single user, embedded database engine. It is the default
> engine which comes on
> all Android devices.  In Windows, it is a single DLL.
>
> I've written several applications for transferring data between Access/SQL
> Server and
> SQLite.(using PowerBASIC) for moving data between tablets and Windows, but
> not
> interfaced with it directly through Access.  The problem is that Access is
> multi-user and
> SQLite is single user.
>
> If your Access application is single user, you can download and instal the
> SQLite3 ODBC
> driver and  then just use your SQLIte database file as an ODBC source, but
> be very careful if
> it is multi-user.
>
>
> On 5 Feb 2014 at 12:13, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>
> > Hi All:
> >
> > I have just been asked to connect SQLite to an Access DB. Has anyone
> > had any experience with this product?
> >
> > http://www.sqlite.org/
> >
> > Jim
> > _______________________________________________
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> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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> >
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Feb  5 18:13:07 2014
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 10:13:07 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-Tech] SQLite
In-Reply-To: <CAFa8Nkg47U73==eOr=eyQz9qfxy1pk4pzn1u+Q3=CKRJ3v2Lqg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <52F28464.6070800@earthlink.net>,
	<52F2A7BD.21868.D877B1F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<CAFa8Nkg47U73==eOr=eyQz9qfxy1pk4pzn1u+Q3=CKRJ3v2Lqg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52F2D393.7975.E32B767@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

That's useful to know about OSX since  B4J  builds Java applications which will run on Macs.

I just might be persuaded to  build my first Apple application one of these days :)

-- 
Stuart

On 5 Feb 2014 at 14:24, Doug Steele wrote:

> It's also pretty well the default database for iOS and OSX.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Stuart McLachlan
> <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:
> 
> > SQLite is a single user, embedded database engine. It is the default
> > engine which comes on all Android devices.  In Windows, it is a
> > single DLL.
> >
> > I've written several applications for transferring data between
> > Access/SQL Server and SQLite.(using PowerBASIC) for moving data
> > between tablets and Windows, but not interfaced with it directly
> > through Access.  The problem is that Access is multi-user and SQLite
> > is single user.
> >
> > If your Access application is single user, you can download and
> > instal the SQLite3 ODBC driver and  then just use your SQLIte
> > database file as an ODBC source, but be very careful if it is
> > multi-user.
> >
> >
> > On 5 Feb 2014 at 12:13, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> >
> > > Hi All:
> > >
> > > I have just been asked to connect SQLite to an Access DB. Has
> > > anyone had any experience with this product?
> > >
> > > http://www.sqlite.org/
> > >
> > > Jim
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Feb  5 20:59:27 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 19:59:27 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-Tech] SQLite
In-Reply-To: <CAFa8Nkg47U73==eOr=eyQz9qfxy1pk4pzn1u+Q3=CKRJ3v2Lqg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1881795829.2114542.1391655567833.JavaMail.root@cds002>

OMG it is everywhere!!

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Steele" <dbdoug at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2014 2:24:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-Tech] SQLite

It's also pretty well the default database for iOS and OSX.




On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> SQLite is a single user, embedded database engine. It is the default
> engine which comes on
> all Android devices.  In Windows, it is a single DLL.
>
> I've written several applications for transferring data between Access/SQL
> Server and
> SQLite.(using PowerBASIC) for moving data between tablets and Windows, but
> not
> interfaced with it directly through Access.  The problem is that Access is
> multi-user and
> SQLite is single user.
>
> If your Access application is single user, you can download and instal the
> SQLite3 ODBC
> driver and  then just use your SQLIte database file as an ODBC source, but
> be very careful if
> it is multi-user.
>
>
> On 5 Feb 2014 at 12:13, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>
> > Hi All:
> >
> > I have just been asked to connect SQLite to an Access DB. Has anyone
> > had any experience with this product?
> >
> > http://www.sqlite.org/
> >
> > Jim
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu Feb  6 09:40:38 2014
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 15:40:38 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Date in Text Box
Message-ID: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB07378C15@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>

I have a text box on a form in which I display today's date by setting the control source to =Date(). I would like to be able to enter my date also but it will not let me. Can I have it both ways?

From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu Feb  6 09:45:41 2014
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 15:45:41 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Date in Text Box
In-Reply-To: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB07378C15@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB07378C15@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB07378C2D@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>

Never mind. Figured it out.

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Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Date in Text Box

I have a text box on a form in which I display today's date by setting the control source to =Date(). I would like to be able to enter my date also but it will not let me. Can I have it both ways?
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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Thu Feb  6 09:47:08 2014
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 10:47:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Date in Text Box
In-Reply-To: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB07378C15@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB07378C15@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <52F3682C0200006B0003192F@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>

Short answer...yes
 
Others here can correct me...but I don't get a chance to answer questions too much here, so I'm going to jump on this one...
 
Your Date() or Now()...there is a difference, but it is escaping me at the moment...will be in the "Default Value" setting, and your control source will be the field of your table that you want to put it in

>>> "Kaup, Chester" <Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com> 2/6/2014 10:40 AM >>>
I have a text box on a form in which I display today's date by setting the control source to =Date(). I would like to be able to enter my date also but it will not let me. Can I have it both ways?
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From dbdoug at gmail.com  Thu Feb  6 09:49:14 2014
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 07:49:14 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Date in Text Box
In-Reply-To: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB07378C15@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB07378C15@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <CAFa8Nkh+v0omk4jyRG0P=o+1u8kx5JhGyU5i1E9xBT_uFk7XzA@mail.gmail.com>

Depending on exactly when you want to show the text box, I think you may
have to set the value in code for one of the form events (like Load or
Current).  If you just want the current date to show the first time you
open the form, then you can set the Default Value property of the text box
to =Date()


On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 7:40 AM, Kaup, Chester <Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com
> wrote:

> I have a text box on a form in which I display today's date by setting the
> control source to =Date(). I would like to be able to enter my date also
> but it will not let me. Can I have it both ways?
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Feb  6 09:58:27 2014
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 07:58:27 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Date in Text Box
In-Reply-To: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB07378C2D@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB07378C15@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>
	<8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB07378C2D@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <294C38F448B74F009ED81128A18C3E97@HAL9007>

I can think of a couple of ways to do that. How did you do it?

Rocky


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Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 7:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Date in Text Box

Never mind. Figured it out.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Date in Text Box

I have a text box on a form in which I display today's date by setting the
control source to =Date(). I would like to be able to enter my date also but
it will not let me. Can I have it both ways?
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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Thu Feb  6 09:59:24 2014
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 10:59:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Date in Text Box
In-Reply-To: <CAFa8Nkh+v0omk4jyRG0P=o+1u8kx5JhGyU5i1E9xBT_uFk7XzA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB07378C15@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>
	<CAFa8Nkh+v0omk4jyRG0P=o+1u8kx5JhGyU5i1E9xBT_uFk7XzA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAtfCTbV=mUEEFH9hDo0U_hR5PMkmrwQxQbx0o1g+sEs=Q@mail.gmail.com>

If you make the default format of the test box a General  Date, a
DatePicker will show up beside the text box.
As others have said if default value =Date(), you can always override.

Just my $.02



On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Doug Steele <dbdoug at gmail.com> wrote:

> Depending on exactly when you want to show the text box, I think you may
> have to set the value in code for one of the form events (like Load or
> Current).  If you just want the current date to show the first time you
> open the form, then you can set the Default Value property of the text box
> to =Date()
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 7:40 AM, Kaup, Chester <
> Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com
> > wrote:
>
> > I have a text box on a form in which I display today's date by setting
> the
> > control source to =Date(). I would like to be able to enter my date also
> > but it will not let me. Can I have it both ways?
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From peter at galley.ie  Thu Feb  6 10:00:30 2014
From: peter at galley.ie (Peter Hirons)
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 16:00:30 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Date in Text Box
In-Reply-To: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB07378C2D@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB07378C15@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>
	<8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB07378C2D@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <ccccb7d88bc875ffb3071d81a87491f5@galley.ie>

And the answer is ?

---


Peter

On 2014-02-06 15:45, Kaup, Chester wrote:
> Never mind. Figured it out.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup,
> Chester
> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 9:41 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Date in Text Box
> 
> I have a text box on a form in which I display today's date by setting
> the control source to =Date(). I would like to be able to enter my
> date also but it will not let me. Can I have it both ways?
> --
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu Feb  6 10:03:29 2014
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 16:03:29 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Date in Text Box
In-Reply-To: <294C38F448B74F009ED81128A18C3E97@HAL9007>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB07378C15@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>
	<8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB07378C2D@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>
	<294C38F448B74F009ED81128A18C3E97@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB07378C8A@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>

Control Source	None
Default value  =Date()

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 9:58 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Date in Text Box

I can think of a couple of ways to do that. How did you do it?

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 7:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Date in Text Box

Never mind. Figured it out.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Date in Text Box

I have a text box on a form in which I display today's date by setting the control source to =Date(). I would like to be able to enter my date also but it will not let me. Can I have it both ways?
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu Feb  6 10:04:26 2014
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 16:04:26 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Date in Text Box
In-Reply-To: <ccccb7d88bc875ffb3071d81a87491f5@galley.ie>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB07378C15@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>
	<8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB07378C2D@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>
	<ccccb7d88bc875ffb3071d81a87491f5@galley.ie>
Message-ID: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB07378C9B@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>

Control Source	None
Default Value	=Date()

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Hirons
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 10:01 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Date in Text Box

And the answer is ?

---


Peter

On 2014-02-06 15:45, Kaup, Chester wrote:
> Never mind. Figured it out.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, 
> Chester
> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 9:41 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Date in Text Box
> 
> I have a text box on a form in which I display today's date by setting 
> the control source to =Date(). I would like to be able to enter my 
> date also but it will not let me. Can I have it both ways?
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Thu Feb  6 19:31:41 2014
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 12:31:41 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] A2003: Set Default Zoom on Web Browser Control
Message-ID: <002101cf23a4$5c466640$14d332c0$@activebilling.com.au>

Hi All

I have a WebBrowserControl sitting on a form and it displays the contents of
a text file.

Does anyone know how I can set the default zoom for that WebBrowserControl
to say.75% on form load?

Many thanks in advance

DD


From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Thu Feb  6 19:49:14 2014
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 20:49:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2003: Set Default Zoom on Web Browser Control
In-Reply-To: <002101cf23a4$5c466640$14d332c0$@activebilling.com.au>
References: <002101cf23a4$5c466640$14d332c0$@activebilling.com.au>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAtZKrFb6TiCrB5_K=dG38x2ad5ejUSZvJj1pqDAcSTj9A@mail.gmail.com>

I found this link from 2011
http://www.xtremevbtalk.com/showthread.php?t=321811

Hope it helps.


On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 8:31 PM, Darren <darren at activebilling.com.au> wrote:

> Hi All
>
> I have a WebBrowserControl sitting on a form and it displays the contents
> of
> a text file.
>
> Does anyone know how I can set the default zoom for that WebBrowserControl
> to say.75% on form load?
>
> Many thanks in advance
>
> DD
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Feb  7 03:39:52 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 10:39:52 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Sharepoint 2013 Deployment Crash Course (was: Sign up
	for an Office 365 Developer Site)
Message-ID: <008301cf23e8$8d4c0cb0$a7e42610$@cactus.dk>

Hi all

This is just what I've been looking for, 23 nice 10-minutes videos for those with no time to read 1000-pages books:

    http://msbiacademy.com/?cat=451

Notice the other topics as well: SQL Server, Big Data, etc.

Enough for a weekend or two!

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sendt: 13. januar 2014 03:21
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Sign up for an Office 365 Developer Site

 Hi Martin --

Thank you for your reply.

Yes, I'd also prefer to use C# to develop Office 365/SharePoint data-lists manipulations.
I'd use SharePoint REST API for that  http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/jj860569.aspx
Would that work?

For small business Office 365/SharePoint hosting plan are also available SharePoint Designer:

What's new with SharePoint 2013 site development http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/jj163942(v=office.15).aspx
and workflows:

What's new in workflows for SharePoint 2013 http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/office/jj163177(v=office.15).aspx
Still the issue could be to develop custom workflows:

How to: Build and deploy workflow custom actions http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-US/library/office/jj163911.aspx as this development would need a SharePoint server installed locally?

Thank you.

-- Shamil

Monday, January 13, 2014 12:11 AM UTC from Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>:
>Shamil
>
>We have lists with millions of items. However not many and for specific purposes. Out generic lists have a limit currently set at 15000 items. Re access you can use access services or hybrid, linking to data onsharepoint lists but we don't do much of access anymore. We mostly build apps in C sharp running as Sharepoint features etc in terms of users I have over 30000 we have a 16 server farm with 4 sql clustered instances running it all.
>
>We also,use remote blob storage to get around Sharepoint limits.
>
>Martin
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 13 Jan 2014, at 00:04, "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you Darryl. 
>> 
>> So, when you have to handle (structured) data then you use SharePoint Lists?
>> Do you use MS Access with SharePoint Lists?
>> Have you ever met SharePoint Lists limitations -  http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff647105.aspx - recommended max qty of items in a list to be 2000 (two thousands)?
>> Or SharePoint Lists usually keep unstructured data - whole data tables stored as CSV/text delimited files, XML, JSON...?
>> In this case is there a limitation on the size of the data stored in one SharePoint list item?
>> 
>> Please feel free to reply when you'll have time.
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> -- Shamil 



From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Feb  7 14:29:04 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 13:29:04 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] Sharepoint 2013 Deployment Crash Course (was: Sign
	up	for an Office 365 Developer Site)
In-Reply-To: <008301cf23e8$8d4c0cb0$a7e42610$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <575924605.3960180.1391804944451.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Gustav:

Thanks for posting. I now have a month of tutorials to review.

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, 7 February, 2014 1:39:52 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sharepoint 2013 Deployment Crash Course (was: Sign up	for an Office 365 Developer Site)

Hi all

This is just what I've been looking for, 23 nice 10-minutes videos for those with no time to read 1000-pages books:

    http://msbiacademy.com/?cat=451

Notice the other topics as well: SQL Server, Big Data, etc.

Enough for a weekend or two!

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sendt: 13. januar 2014 03:21
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Sign up for an Office 365 Developer Site

 Hi Martin --

Thank you for your reply.

Yes, I'd also prefer to use C# to develop Office 365/SharePoint data-lists manipulations.
I'd use SharePoint REST API for that  http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/jj860569.aspx
Would that work?

For small business Office 365/SharePoint hosting plan are also available SharePoint Designer:

What's new with SharePoint 2013 site development http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/jj163942(v=office.15).aspx
and workflows:

What's new in workflows for SharePoint 2013 http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/office/jj163177(v=office.15).aspx
Still the issue could be to develop custom workflows:

How to: Build and deploy workflow custom actions http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-US/library/office/jj163911.aspx as this development would need a SharePoint server installed locally?

Thank you.

-- Shamil

Monday, January 13, 2014 12:11 AM UTC from Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>:
>Shamil
>
>We have lists with millions of items. However not many and for specific purposes. Out generic lists have a limit currently set at 15000 items. Re access you can use access services or hybrid, linking to data onsharepoint lists but we don't do much of access anymore. We mostly build apps in C sharp running as Sharepoint features etc in terms of users I have over 30000 we have a 16 server farm with 4 sql clustered instances running it all.
>
>We also,use remote blob storage to get around Sharepoint limits.
>
>Martin
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 13 Jan 2014, at 00:04, "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you Darryl. 
>> 
>> So, when you have to handle (structured) data then you use SharePoint Lists?
>> Do you use MS Access with SharePoint Lists?
>> Have you ever met SharePoint Lists limitations -  http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff647105.aspx - recommended max qty of items in a list to be 2000 (two thousands)?
>> Or SharePoint Lists usually keep unstructured data - whole data tables stored as CSV/text delimited files, XML, JSON...?
>> In this case is there a limitation on the size of the data stored in one SharePoint list item?
>> 
>> Please feel free to reply when you'll have time.
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> -- Shamil 


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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Sun Feb  9 17:45:40 2014
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 10:45:40 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] A2003: Set Default Zoom on Web Browser Control
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAtZKrFb6TiCrB5_K=dG38x2ad5ejUSZvJj1pqDAcSTj9A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002101cf23a4$5c466640$14d332c0$@activebilling.com.au>
	<CAKvidAtZKrFb6TiCrB5_K=dG38x2ad5ejUSZvJj1pqDAcSTj9A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <010601cf25f1$0bac48e0$2304daa0$@activebilling.com.au>

Hi Jack,
Excellent - just what I needed - thank you
Darren

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack drawbridge
Sent: Friday, 7 February 2014 12:49 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2003: Set Default Zoom on Web Browser Control

I found this link from 2011
http://www.xtremevbtalk.com/showthread.php?t=321811

Hope it helps.


On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 8:31 PM, Darren <darren at activebilling.com.au> wrote:

> Hi All
>
> I have a WebBrowserControl sitting on a form and it displays the 
> contents of a text file.
>
> Does anyone know how I can set the default zoom for that 
> WebBrowserControl to say.75% on form load?
>
> Many thanks in advance
>
> DD
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Sun Feb  9 17:50:56 2014
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 18:50:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2003: Set Default Zoom on Web Browser Control
In-Reply-To: <010601cf25f1$0bac48e0$2304daa0$@activebilling.com.au>
References: <002101cf23a4$5c466640$14d332c0$@activebilling.com.au>
	<CAKvidAtZKrFb6TiCrB5_K=dG38x2ad5ejUSZvJj1pqDAcSTj9A@mail.gmail.com>
	<010601cf25f1$0bac48e0$2304daa0$@activebilling.com.au>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAu8u_CUo3WG35Xpk6ufXRYkKxfWSAryFJYqKwUOwLUuZA@mail.gmail.com>

You're welcome.
Happy to help.


On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 6:45 PM, Darren <darren at activebilling.com.au> wrote:

> Hi Jack,
> Excellent - just what I needed - thank you
> Darren
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack drawbridge
> Sent: Friday, 7 February 2014 12:49 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2003: Set Default Zoom on Web Browser Control
>
> I found this link from 2011
> http://www.xtremevbtalk.com/showthread.php?t=321811
>
> Hope it helps.
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 8:31 PM, Darren <darren at activebilling.com.au>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi All
> >
> > I have a WebBrowserControl sitting on a form and it displays the
> > contents of a text file.
> >
> > Does anyone know how I can set the default zoom for that
> > WebBrowserControl to say.75% on form load?
> >
> > Many thanks in advance
> >
> > DD
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From darren at activebilling.com.au  Sun Feb  9 23:42:46 2014
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 16:42:46 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] A2003: Set Default Zoom on Web Browser Control
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAu8u_CUo3WG35Xpk6ufXRYkKxfWSAryFJYqKwUOwLUuZA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002101cf23a4$5c466640$14d332c0$@activebilling.com.au>	<CAKvidAtZKrFb6TiCrB5_K=dG38x2ad5ejUSZvJj1pqDAcSTj9A@mail.gmail.com>	<010601cf25f1$0bac48e0$2304daa0$@activebilling.com.au>
	<CAKvidAu8u_CUo3WG35Xpk6ufXRYkKxfWSAryFJYqKwUOwLUuZA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01c101cf2622$ee55aed0$cb010c70$@activebilling.com.au>

Thanks Jack,
I did actually try and find a solution before coming to the list.
I'm a bit of an old age novice and I did see the execute portion of that
code before, but did not see the declarations.
So every time I ran it, the execute bit would fail due to no declarations.
But I'm not bright enough to realise that.
The version you directed me to had the declarations - A real DUH! moment.
Now works a treat and is incorporated into my form.
Thanks again.
Darren


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack drawbridge
Sent: Monday, 10 February 2014 10:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2003: Set Default Zoom on Web Browser Control

You're welcome.
Happy to help.


On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 6:45 PM, Darren <darren at activebilling.com.au> wrote:

> Hi Jack,
> Excellent - just what I needed - thank you Darren
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack 
> drawbridge
> Sent: Friday, 7 February 2014 12:49 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2003: Set Default Zoom on Web Browser Control
>
> I found this link from 2011
> http://www.xtremevbtalk.com/showthread.php?t=321811
>
> Hope it helps.
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 8:31 PM, Darren <darren at activebilling.com.au>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi All
> >
> > I have a WebBrowserControl sitting on a form and it displays the 
> > contents of a text file.
> >
> > Does anyone know how I can set the default zoom for that 
> > WebBrowserControl to say.75% on form load?
> >
> > Many thanks in advance
> >
> > DD
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Feb 10 03:01:56 2014
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 09:01:56 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Macros not working in Access 2010
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Hello All,

thanks for the replies.

Jim, I am pretty sure that I have the trust centre permissions set
correctly.  I choose the last radio button "Enable all Macros"

Darryl and Charlotte, I did fail to mention that the app is on the network,
but all users have the same permissions and it works fine on the other
machines.

What I failed to mention was that this new laptop is Windows 8, all the
other machines are Win 7.

Any other suggestions ?




On 5 February 2014 04:09, Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com> wrote:

> They also need file delete permissions if they're the last one out or the
> ldb file won't get deleted if they're using an mdb.
>
> Charlotte
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Darryl Collins <
> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:
>
> > For some reason a little neuron in the back of my brain is also firing up
> > saying "check the folder permissions".
> > I seem to recall that the users need to have read / write permissions on
> > the folder for this to work.  Might be dreaming, but worth a look I
> guess.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Darryl
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> > Sent: Tuesday, 4 February 2014 6:09 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Macros not working in Access 2010
> >
> >
> >  Has to be security.  I would double check what you did in Trust Center.
> > The simplest is to add the location of the DB as a trusted location.
> >
> > Jim.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 01:18 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: [AccessD] Macros not working in Access 2010
> >
> > Hello AccessD Friends,
> >
> > I was knowledgeable on Access 2.0 and even 95 and 97 but I rarely used it
> > nowadays.  I joined AccessD in 87/98.
> >
> > I have a client with an Access 2010 db.  They are using some DLookups a
> > macro to pull records from the switchboard table.  It is not quite the
> > regular switchboard, but it seems to work well.
> >
> > It works on 4/5 machines but on one of the machines the macro does not
> > seem to fire and they get no menu.  I have gone to Trust centre and
> enabled
> > all macros.
> >
> > Any idea why the macro does not fire on one machine but the same mdb file
> > works perfect on another machine on the network.
> >
> > thanks in advance for your advice.
> >
> > Mark Breen
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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Mon Feb 10 06:26:12 2014
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 07:26:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2003: Set Default Zoom on Web Browser Control
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Darren,

Every now and then I get lucky with Google. I'm retired and only dabble
with Access and  participate in several forums. My search led to a few hits
based on your terms/words.
Could you post a sample of the code to show the set up in context?
Thanks.
jack



On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 12:42 AM, Darren <darren at activebilling.com.au>wrote:

> Thanks Jack,
> I did actually try and find a solution before coming to the list.
> I'm a bit of an old age novice and I did see the execute portion of that
> code before, but did not see the declarations.
> So every time I ran it, the execute bit would fail due to no declarations.
> But I'm not bright enough to realise that.
> The version you directed me to had the declarations - A real DUH! moment.
> Now works a treat and is incorporated into my form.
> Thanks again.
> Darren
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack drawbridge
> Sent: Monday, 10 February 2014 10:51 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2003: Set Default Zoom on Web Browser Control
>
> You're welcome.
> Happy to help.
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 6:45 PM, Darren <darren at activebilling.com.au>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Jack,
> > Excellent - just what I needed - thank you Darren
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack
> > drawbridge
> > Sent: Friday, 7 February 2014 12:49 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2003: Set Default Zoom on Web Browser Control
> >
> > I found this link from 2011
> > http://www.xtremevbtalk.com/showthread.php?t=321811
> >
> > Hope it helps.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 8:31 PM, Darren <darren at activebilling.com.au>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi All
> > >
> > > I have a WebBrowserControl sitting on a form and it displays the
> > > contents of a text file.
> > >
> > > Does anyone know how I can set the default zoom for that
> > > WebBrowserControl to say.75% on form load?
> > >
> > > Many thanks in advance
> > >
> > > DD
> > >
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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Mon Feb 10 07:36:50 2014
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 08:36:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Date in Text Box
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Did nobody answer this yet?
 
Your Control Source should be where you want the date to go...usually a field in a table.
 
For example, for the DB I am currently working on, I have a Form whose RecordSource is the table, "tblClient"...and I have a text box on the form for Date of Birth, and that field's ControlSource is "datDoB" which is a field in that Client table. 
 
Now, I obviously don't want this field to default to today's date, but I theoretically could...I can put any valid date I want in the DefaulValue setting, and I would be able to override this. 
 
Hope this helps!

>>> "Kaup, Chester" <Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com> 2/6/2014 11:04 AM >>>
Control SourceNone
Default Value=Date()

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Hirons
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 10:01 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Date in Text Box

And the answer is ?

---


Peter

On 2014-02-06 15:45, Kaup, Chester wrote:
> Never mind. Figured it out.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, 
> Chester
> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 9:41 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Date in Text Box
> 
> I have a text box on a form in which I display today's date by setting 
> the control source to =Date(). I would like to be able to enter my 
> date also but it will not let me. Can I have it both ways?
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Feb 10 14:06:07 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 15:06:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Alpha Proficiency Package
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iroOVmZw6KfsLPaOGXQ_ap0rOfj_qQJn0POV6QBcJLqA@mail.gmail.com>

For those listers who have taken a look at Alpha Anywhere (and those that
haven't), the folks at Alpha Software have put together the package named
above. It includes the full Alpha Anywhere package normally $1899), two
hours of personlized, expert mentoring, normally $150 per hour, plus a free
registration for an upcoming Intensive Programming Workshop, normally $399.
All  of this is available for $999 US.

In the interests of full disclosure, I am in frequent communication with
the Rabins brothers, the principals of Alpha, and with various members of
the development team. I am not an Alpha employee, nor have any commercial
relationship with Alpha. I am, however, a huge admirer of the Alpha line of
software, and especially with Alpha Anywhere, which I consider the leading
product available for developing write-once apps for smart phone, tablet
and traditional browsers, as well as traditional desktop apps.

Alpha is so much more powerful than Access that there is almost no
comparison. To download a free trial and view the many demos and videos,
visit www.alphasoftware.com. To take advantage of the Proficiency Package
offer, visit this link:

https://www.alphasoftware.com/shop/itemdesc.asp?PRODID=1488&utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=11895960&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-8wrtkWdVInvFAxEtJyIfnpRMJDvkm9oKXrXSVy52E7dQQ4NNl0S9v8jWoECIZVOiukP_VuNUM5WKQd2x-DWSzZoMi7Eg&_hsmi=11895960
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Mon Feb 10 14:31:39 2014
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 14:31:39 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Alpha Proficiency Package
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So you have deployed many solutions for paying clients or charitable
organizations with the Alpha tool Arthur?


On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> For those listers who have taken a look at Alpha Anywhere (and those that
> haven't), the folks at Alpha Software have put together the package named
> above. It includes the full Alpha Anywhere package normally $1899), two
> hours of personlized, expert mentoring, normally $150 per hour, plus a free
> registration for an upcoming Intensive Programming Workshop, normally $399.
> All  of this is available for $999 US.
>
> In the interests of full disclosure, I am in frequent communication with
> the Rabins brothers, the principals of Alpha, and with various members of
> the development team. I am not an Alpha employee, nor have any commercial
> relationship with Alpha. I am, however, a huge admirer of the Alpha line of
> software, and especially with Alpha Anywhere, which I consider the leading
> product available for developing write-once apps for smart phone, tablet
> and traditional browsers, as well as traditional desktop apps.
>
> Alpha is so much more powerful than Access that there is almost no
> comparison. To download a free trial and view the many demos and videos,
> visit www.alphasoftware.com. To take advantage of the Proficiency Package
> offer, visit this link:
>
>
> https://www.alphasoftware.com/shop/itemdesc.asp?PRODID=1488&utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=11895960&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-8wrtkWdVInvFAxEtJyIfnpRMJDvkm9oKXrXSVy52E7dQQ4NNl0S9v8jWoECIZVOiukP_VuNUM5WKQd2x-DWSzZoMi7Eg&_hsmi=11895960
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Feb 10 15:37:32 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 16:37:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Alpha Proficiency Package
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Only one is fully deployed (for a non-profit housing organization, to
manage its list of volunteers, their assignments and their hours), and I
wrote it for the cause not for money. I'm currently in early development of
another, also a volunteer project, whose principal platform will be smart
phone, with occasional tablets, and a web server behind the scenes. This
one will be for canvassers for a political party (I don't know what the
equivalent term is outside Canada, but here a canvasser is a volunteer who
knocks on doors on behalf of the candidate, asking such questions as "Would
you like a sign for your lawn or window?", "Do you need a ride to the
polling station on Election Day?", etc. These answers will go from the
phones/tablets to the web server, where they will result in lists for the
sign crew, etc.

>From the viewpoint of an Access developer, the most difficult thing to
appreciate is how little code you have to write compared to Access. There
are dozens of wizards (called Genies in Alpha) and you accomplish a large
amount of the work by filling in  properties rather than hand-writing code.
There are also forms called Grids, so named because originally they started
out looking much like Access datasheets. But now there are so many types of
Grids that the name is a tad silly.

Besides all that, AA supports JavaScript, HTML5, CSS and its own
programming language, called XBasic, which is similar to VBA but truly
object-oriented, if that matters to you.

HTH,
Arthur


On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:

> So you have deployed many solutions for paying clients or charitable
> organizations with the Alpha tool Arthur?
>
>
>
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Mon Feb 10 20:02:47 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 18:02:47 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Alpha Proficiency Package
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iroOVmZw6KfsLPaOGXQ_ap0rOfj_qQJn0POV6QBcJLqA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1iroOVmZw6KfsLPaOGXQ_ap0rOfj_qQJn0POV6QBcJLqA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52F984C7.7080309@gmail.com>

The link says "1 year term license". What happens after a year?  I might be tempted to do this but 
not if there is a yearly license fee.

If I may ask, how did you get involved in this and how much has it cost you so far?

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/10/2014 12:06 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> For those listers who have taken a look at Alpha Anywhere (and those that
> haven't), the folks at Alpha Software have put together the package named
> above. It includes the full Alpha Anywhere package normally $1899), two
> hours of personlized, expert mentoring, normally $150 per hour, plus a free
> registration for an upcoming Intensive Programming Workshop, normally $399.
> All  of this is available for $999 US.
>
> In the interests of full disclosure, I am in frequent communication with
> the Rabins brothers, the principals of Alpha, and with various members of
> the development team. I am not an Alpha employee, nor have any commercial
> relationship with Alpha. I am, however, a huge admirer of the Alpha line of
> software, and especially with Alpha Anywhere, which I consider the leading
> product available for developing write-once apps for smart phone, tablet
> and traditional browsers, as well as traditional desktop apps.
>
> Alpha is so much more powerful than Access that there is almost no
> comparison. To download a free trial and view the many demos and videos,
> visit www.alphasoftware.com. To take advantage of the Proficiency Package
> offer, visit this link:
>
> https://www.alphasoftware.com/shop/itemdesc.asp?PRODID=1488&utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=11895960&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-8wrtkWdVInvFAxEtJyIfnpRMJDvkm9oKXrXSVy52E7dQQ4NNl0S9v8jWoECIZVOiukP_VuNUM5WKQd2x-DWSzZoMi7Eg&_hsmi=11895960


From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Mon Feb 10 17:41:21 2014
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 17:41:21 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Alpha Proficiency Package
In-Reply-To: <52F984C7.7080309@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201402102341.s1ANfOAN010184@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey John
I have bought into the Alpha line of products, upon a recommendation from
Arthur.  After almost over 20 years of working and developing client
applications with ACCESS I found over the last 3 or 4 years MicroSoft had
totally left their developers behind. I had to make a decision either buy a
weiny wagon and go sale my wares on the  beach or look for another
alternative to continue producing applications that my remaining few current
clients and possible future clients could use on the Web or on their mobile
devices. I have spent the past few months renovating the house but hope to
get up to speed starting in March with Alpha. The product is not cheap. My
understanding is you initially buy the product with a 1 year term license,
that means any new updates (and they continue to push out new stuff every
month) will be sent to you for free after that you have to pay a fee to
continue to receive the updates for the next year.

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
Sent: February-10-14 8:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Alpha Proficiency Package

The link says "1 year term license". What happens after a year?  I might be
tempted to do this but 
not if there is a yearly license fee.

If I may ask, how did you get involved in this and how much has it cost you
so far?

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/10/2014 12:06 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> For those listers who have taken a look at Alpha Anywhere (and those that
> haven't), the folks at Alpha Software have put together the package named
> above. It includes the full Alpha Anywhere package normally $1899), two
> hours of personlized, expert mentoring, normally $150 per hour, plus a
free
> registration for an upcoming Intensive Programming Workshop, normally
$399.
> All  of this is available for $999 US.
>
> In the interests of full disclosure, I am in frequent communication with
> the Rabins brothers, the principals of Alpha, and with various members of
> the development team. I am not an Alpha employee, nor have any commercial
> relationship with Alpha. I am, however, a huge admirer of the Alpha line
of
> software, and especially with Alpha Anywhere, which I consider the leading
> product available for developing write-once apps for smart phone, tablet
> and traditional browsers, as well as traditional desktop apps.
>
> Alpha is so much more powerful than Access that there is almost no
> comparison. To download a free trial and view the many demos and videos,
> visit www.alphasoftware.com. To take advantage of the Proficiency Package
> offer, visit this link:
>
>
https://www.alphasoftware.com/shop/itemdesc.asp?PRODID=1488&utm_source=hs_em
ail&utm_medium=email&utm_content=11895960&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-8wrtkWdVInvFAxEtJyI
fnpRMJDvkm9oKXrXSVy52E7dQQ4NNl0S9v8jWoECIZVOiukP_VuNUM5WKQd2x-DWSzZoMi7Eg&_h
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Feb 10 19:41:19 2014
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 20:41:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Alpha Proficiency Package
In-Reply-To: <201402102341.s1ANfOAN010184@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <201402102341.s1ANfOAN010184@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <0DABA308-06A9-4149-AC9F-626CE37FDC99@verizon.net>

Almost everything is on a subscription model now.   I bought The Dev Express framework for .net last year...not cheap either and it's year after year.

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 10, 2014, at 6:41 PM, "Tony Septav" <TSeptav at Uniserve.com> wrote:

> Hey John
> I have bought into the Alpha line of products, upon a recommendation from
> Arthur.  After almost over 20 years of working and developing client
> applications with ACCESS I found over the last 3 or 4 years MicroSoft had
> totally left their developers behind. I had to make a decision either buy a
> weiny wagon and go sale my wares on the  beach or look for another
> alternative to continue producing applications that my remaining few current
> clients and possible future clients could use on the Web or on their mobile
> devices. I have spent the past few months renovating the house but hope to
> get up to speed starting in March with Alpha. The product is not cheap. My
> understanding is you initially buy the product with a 1 year term license,
> that means any new updates (and they continue to push out new stuff every
> month) will be sent to you for free after that you have to pay a fee to
> continue to receive the updates for the next year.
> 
> Tony Septav
> Nanaimo, BC
> Canada
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
> Sent: February-10-14 8:03 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Alpha Proficiency Package
> 
> The link says "1 year term license". What happens after a year?  I might be
> tempted to do this but 
> not if there is a yearly license fee.
> 
> If I may ask, how did you get involved in this and how much has it cost you
> so far?
> 
> John W. Colby
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> On 2/10/2014 12:06 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>> For those listers who have taken a look at Alpha Anywhere (and those that
>> haven't), the folks at Alpha Software have put together the package named
>> above. It includes the full Alpha Anywhere package normally $1899), two
>> hours of personlized, expert mentoring, normally $150 per hour, plus a
> free
>> registration for an upcoming Intensive Programming Workshop, normally
> $399.
>> All  of this is available for $999 US.
>> 
>> In the interests of full disclosure, I am in frequent communication with
>> the Rabins brothers, the principals of Alpha, and with various members of
>> the development team. I am not an Alpha employee, nor have any commercial
>> relationship with Alpha. I am, however, a huge admirer of the Alpha line
> of
>> software, and especially with Alpha Anywhere, which I consider the leading
>> product available for developing write-once apps for smart phone, tablet
>> and traditional browsers, as well as traditional desktop apps.
>> 
>> Alpha is so much more powerful than Access that there is almost no
>> comparison. To download a free trial and view the many demos and videos,
>> visit www.alphasoftware.com. To take advantage of the Proficiency Package
>> offer, visit this link:
> https://www.alphasoftware.com/shop/itemdesc.asp?PRODID=1488&utm_source=hs_em
> ail&utm_medium=email&utm_content=11895960&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-8wrtkWdVInvFAxEtJyI
> fnpRMJDvkm9oKXrXSVy52E7dQQ4NNl0S9v8jWoECIZVOiukP_VuNUM5WKQd2x-DWSzZoMi7Eg&_h
> smi=11895960
> 
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Feb 11 00:10:54 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 22:10:54 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Want a chuckle?
Message-ID: <52F9BEEE.5090501@gmail.com>

One of my favorite games to this day.  Do you think your system will run it?

http://www.allgame.com/game.php?id=24834&tab=sysreqs

-- 
John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From dbdoug at gmail.com  Mon Feb 10 21:42:29 2014
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 19:42:29 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Want a chuckle?
In-Reply-To: <52F9BEEE.5090501@gmail.com>
References: <52F9BEEE.5090501@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFa8NkhGj_bodn7F0Hm88Myd14jhgZwEVaSR36h35iQ9=Fdo3A@mail.gmail.com>

Aw, c'mon John - where can you find a computer nowadays with a Pentium III
and 128mb of RAM?

And the website 'Buy' tab is disabled :(


On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 10:10 PM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> One of my favorite games to this day.  Do you think your system will run
> it?
>
> http://www.allgame.com/game.php?id=24834&tab=sysreqs
>
> --
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Tue Feb 11 08:20:55 2014
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 14:20:55 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Combo Box Question
Message-ID: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB0737B988@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>

I have a form with two text boxes and a combo box. I use the following code to  display a value in the combo box when the form opens. The code then shifts the focus to the first text box. I have code attached to the combo. It runs fine if I select something from the drop down list but does not run if I click on the default value that is displayed in the combo box. If I select another item in the drop down list and then go back and select the default value displayed the code then runs. I think the problem has to do with selecting something from the combo box list but I am unsure how to proceed. Thanks.

Form opening code

Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer)
    Me.WellNumber.SetFocus
    Me.WellNumber.ListIndex = 0
    Me.StartDate.SetFocus
End Sub

Combo box code

Private Sub WellNumber_Click()
    Dim frm As Form, ctl As Control
    Dim varItm As Variant, X As Variant
    Set frm = [Forms]![frm Set Down Report Options]
    Set ctl = frm!WellNumber
    DoCmd.SetWarnings Off
    'get the row number of the selected row in the list box
    varItm = ctl.ListIndex

    Select Case varItm
        Case 0 'all wells
             DoCmd.OpenReport "rpt Set Down All", acViewReport
        Case Else
             DoCmd.OpenReport "rpt Set Down in a Time Interval", acViewReport
    End Select
    'Stop
End Sub


From kost36 at otenet.gr  Tue Feb 11 08:35:47 2014
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 16:35:47 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Video player into a form
In-Reply-To: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB0737B988@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB0737B988@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <96E9E68008FC4161965AE618B52C02E7@kost36>

Hi all, I would really appreciate your help on a personal project while I am 
working on a Greek Short Film Database and what I want is to display -into 
the form of each film- the corresponding trailer or a full movie in any 
format (avi, mp4 etc). Does ms access support the import of video frames 
something like a simple video player into?

thank's a lot
/kostas 


From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Feb 11 09:37:29 2014
From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 15:37:29 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Want a chuckle?
In-Reply-To: <CAFa8NkhGj_bodn7F0Hm88Myd14jhgZwEVaSR36h35iQ9=Fdo3A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <52F9BEEE.5090501@gmail.com>
	<CAFa8NkhGj_bodn7F0Hm88Myd14jhgZwEVaSR36h35iQ9=Fdo3A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAO8VDlNCBfdEkctCy61lm0HCgAAAEAAAAMIx0n8EMedAltC2sdnG1b8BAAAAAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>

I have one that is awaiting a one way trip to the tip
Was my fathers before he got XP, and it's finally being allowed out - 
It  has a 400MB hard drive that has been data-cleansed with a 2lb club hammer!

JimB

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 3:42 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Want a chuckle?

Aw, c'mon John - where can you find a computer nowadays with a Pentium III
and 128mb of RAM?

And the website 'Buy' tab is disabled :(


On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 10:10 PM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> One of my favorite games to this day.  Do you think your system will run
> it?
>
> http://www.allgame.com/game.php?id=24834&tab=sysreqs
>
> --
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> --
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Feb 11 11:45:23 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 10:45:23 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] Want a chuckle?
In-Reply-To: <52F9BEEE.5090501@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <57826919.6983869.1392140723618.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi John:

I have not played that games myself but have heard it is excellent.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "John W Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 10:10:54 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Want a chuckle?

One of my favorite games to this day.  Do you think your system will run it?

http://www.allgame.com/game.php?id=24834&tab=sysreqs

-- 
John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Feb 11 11:48:32 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 10:48:32 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] Want a chuckle?
In-Reply-To: <CAFa8NkhGj_bodn7F0Hm88Myd14jhgZwEVaSR36h35iQ9=Fdo3A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1282387194.6987519.1392140912379.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Doug:

You can just about run any old dos games/program using DosBox http://www.dosbox.com/

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Steele" <dbdoug at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 7:42:29 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Want a chuckle?

Aw, c'mon John - where can you find a computer nowadays with a Pentium III
and 128mb of RAM?

And the website 'Buy' tab is disabled :(


On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 10:10 PM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> One of my favorite games to this day.  Do you think your system will run
> it?
>
> http://www.allgame.com/game.php?id=24834&tab=sysreqs
>
> --
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Tue Feb 11 12:51:17 2014
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 12:51:17 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Alpha Proficiency Package
In-Reply-To: <0DABA308-06A9-4149-AC9F-626CE37FDC99@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <201402111851.s1BIpJwe011526@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey Jim
At first I baulked (and it kind of made me angry) at a yearly update
license, but giving it some thought it makes more sense to receive the
updates, plug ins etc. on a regular basis. Rather than waiting 2 to 3 years
to purchase the next version release of a program.

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: February-10-14 7:41 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Alpha Proficiency Package

Almost everything is on a subscription model now.   I bought The Dev Express
framework for .net last year...not cheap either and it's year after year.

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 10, 2014, at 6:41 PM, "Tony Septav" <TSeptav at Uniserve.com> wrote:

> Hey John
> I have bought into the Alpha line of products, upon a recommendation from
> Arthur.  After almost over 20 years of working and developing client
> applications with ACCESS I found over the last 3 or 4 years MicroSoft had
> totally left their developers behind. I had to make a decision either buy
a
> weiny wagon and go sale my wares on the  beach or look for another
> alternative to continue producing applications that my remaining few
current
> clients and possible future clients could use on the Web or on their
mobile
> devices. I have spent the past few months renovating the house but hope to
> get up to speed starting in March with Alpha. The product is not cheap. My
> understanding is you initially buy the product with a 1 year term license,
> that means any new updates (and they continue to push out new stuff every
> month) will be sent to you for free after that you have to pay a fee to
> continue to receive the updates for the next year.
> 
> Tony Septav
> Nanaimo, BC
> Canada
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
> Sent: February-10-14 8:03 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Alpha Proficiency Package
> 
> The link says "1 year term license". What happens after a year?  I might
be
> tempted to do this but 
> not if there is a yearly license fee.
> 
> If I may ask, how did you get involved in this and how much has it cost
you
> so far?
> 
> John W. Colby
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> On 2/10/2014 12:06 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>> For those listers who have taken a look at Alpha Anywhere (and those that
>> haven't), the folks at Alpha Software have put together the package named
>> above. It includes the full Alpha Anywhere package normally $1899), two
>> hours of personlized, expert mentoring, normally $150 per hour, plus a
> free
>> registration for an upcoming Intensive Programming Workshop, normally
> $399.
>> All  of this is available for $999 US.
>> 
>> In the interests of full disclosure, I am in frequent communication with
>> the Rabins brothers, the principals of Alpha, and with various members of
>> the development team. I am not an Alpha employee, nor have any commercial
>> relationship with Alpha. I am, however, a huge admirer of the Alpha line
> of
>> software, and especially with Alpha Anywhere, which I consider the
leading
>> product available for developing write-once apps for smart phone, tablet
>> and traditional browsers, as well as traditional desktop apps.
>> 
>> Alpha is so much more powerful than Access that there is almost no
>> comparison. To download a free trial and view the many demos and videos,
>> visit www.alphasoftware.com. To take advantage of the Proficiency Package
>> offer, visit this link:
>
https://www.alphasoftware.com/shop/itemdesc.asp?PRODID=1488&utm_source=hs_em
>
ail&utm_medium=email&utm_content=11895960&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-8wrtkWdVInvFAxEtJyI
>
fnpRMJDvkm9oKXrXSVy52E7dQQ4NNl0S9v8jWoECIZVOiukP_VuNUM5WKQd2x-DWSzZoMi7Eg&_h
> smi=11895960
> 
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Feb 11 15:10:47 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 16:10:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Alpha Proficiency Package
In-Reply-To: <201402111851.s1BIpJwe011526@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <0DABA308-06A9-4149-AC9F-626CE37FDC99@verizon.net>
	<201402111851.s1BIpJwe011526@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gZOvotfnxyWS7iF9WGA_6UWT=ZUz58dqMPCq9d-NKV9A@mail.gmail.com>

Me too, Tony. In fact, I really like receiving notices that updates and new
enhancements are now available. I tend to regard the subscription fee as
approximately equivalent to the gas that enables your car to get you to and
from the clients' sites.

Arthur


On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:

> Hey Jim
> At first I baulked (and it kind of made me angry) at a yearly update
> license, but giving it some thought it makes more sense to receive the
> updates, plug ins etc. on a regular basis. Rather than waiting 2 to 3 years
> to purchase the next version release of a program.
>
> Tony Septav
> Nanaimo, BC
> Canada
>

From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Tue Feb 11 15:40:58 2014
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 15:40:58 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Alpha Proficiency Package
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gZOvotfnxyWS7iF9WGA_6UWT=ZUz58dqMPCq9d-NKV9A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201402112141.s1BLf099011731@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey Arthur
I look at MicroSoft, who bring out new releases of Office. Have they ever
listened to the ACCESS developers, not on your life.  You end up buying the
new release of Office and they have left the ACCESS developers out in the
cold. As I have listened to on this list everyone has been disappointed with
many of the new releases. 
Who would stay with a sinking ship. Sorry I am not a proponent of ACCESS any
longer, it has become a dinosaur that has died, am I mad "Yes I am". Before
I get flamed, as I mentioned I loved developing in ACCESS for over 20 years.
But reality says (as I see with many old ACCESS friends on the list) it is
time to move on.

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: February-11-14 3:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Alpha Proficiency Package

Me too, Tony. In fact, I really like receiving notices that updates and new
enhancements are now available. I tend to regard the subscription fee as
approximately equivalent to the gas that enables your car to get you to and
from the clients' sites.

Arthur


On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:

> Hey Jim
> At first I baulked (and it kind of made me angry) at a yearly update
> license, but giving it some thought it makes more sense to receive the
> updates, plug ins etc. on a regular basis. Rather than waiting 2 to 3
years
> to purchase the next version release of a program.
>
> Tony Septav
> Nanaimo, BC
> Canada
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Feb 11 15:48:07 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 16:48:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Alpha Proficiency Package
In-Reply-To: <201402112141.s1BLf099011731@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gZOvotfnxyWS7iF9WGA_6UWT=ZUz58dqMPCq9d-NKV9A@mail.gmail.com>
	<201402112141.s1BLf099011731@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1h2gnJVe=By-wOMhjHLN--e63+YGsqtw3DddgOJzmybbA@mail.gmail.com>

Tony,

Speaking of abandoning Access, lately I have been reading Base Handbook, a
230-page PDF describing Base, the LibreOffice equivalent of Access, sort
of. It doesn't have a VBA equivalent, but it does have powerful macros. and
it hooks to the other LibreOffice components as well as Excel. I'd call it
the Linux equivalent of Access. So, for some applications, one could kill
two birds with one stone - eliminate Office, including Access, and Windows
as well, without having to resort to Wine.

A.


On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:

> Hey Arthur
> I look at MicroSoft, who bring out new releases of Office. Have they ever
> listened to the ACCESS developers, not on your life.  You end up buying the
> new release of Office and they have left the ACCESS developers out in the
> cold. As I have listened to on this list everyone has been disappointed
> with
> many of the new releases.
> Who would stay with a sinking ship. Sorry I am not a proponent of ACCESS
> any
> longer, it has become a dinosaur that has died, am I mad "Yes I am". Before
> I get flamed, as I mentioned I loved developing in ACCESS for over 20
> years.
> But reality says (as I see with many old ACCESS friends on the list) it is
> time to move on.
>

From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Tue Feb 11 16:09:48 2014
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 16:09:48 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Alpha Proficiency Package
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1h2gnJVe=By-wOMhjHLN--e63+YGsqtw3DddgOJzmybbA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201402112209.s1BM9nT6011783@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey Arthur
Not me, I do not vary from a product I have chosen. Alpha is what I will
learn. In the past I looked and tried many different database formats (old
fart even saying I tried DBase). I was good in these different formats but
not proficient. Went through a learning curve at the time (Paradox was my
favourite) and settled on ACCESS. I found, select a format and go for it and
support it, forget about the others. Otherwise with so many products out
there and I know everyone on this list could recommend their new favourite
with pros and cons you just go around in circles. I am an old fart not like
the youngies, I no longer have the time. Just got to shut the outside static
out and concentrate.

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: February-11-14 3:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Alpha Proficiency Package

Tony,

Speaking of abandoning Access, lately I have been reading Base Handbook, a
230-page PDF describing Base, the LibreOffice equivalent of Access, sort
of. It doesn't have a VBA equivalent, but it does have powerful macros. and
it hooks to the other LibreOffice components as well as Excel. I'd call it
the Linux equivalent of Access. So, for some applications, one could kill
two birds with one stone - eliminate Office, including Access, and Windows
as well, without having to resort to Wine.

A.


On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:

> Hey Arthur
> I look at MicroSoft, who bring out new releases of Office. Have they ever
> listened to the ACCESS developers, not on your life.  You end up buying
the
> new release of Office and they have left the ACCESS developers out in the
> cold. As I have listened to on this list everyone has been disappointed
> with
> many of the new releases.
> Who would stay with a sinking ship. Sorry I am not a proponent of ACCESS
> any
> longer, it has become a dinosaur that has died, am I mad "Yes I am".
Before
> I get flamed, as I mentioned I loved developing in ACCESS for over 20
> years.
> But reality says (as I see with many old ACCESS friends on the list) it is
> time to move on.
>
-- 
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Tue Feb 11 17:30:12 2014
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 10:30:12 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] A2003: Set Default Zoom on Web Browser Control
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAveP+UgMyHDcBPuoXtf1hM8rOkhzKse0vFayCwOWeWkkg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002101cf23a4$5c466640$14d332c0$@activebilling.com.au>	<CAKvidAtZKrFb6TiCrB5_K=dG38x2ad5ejUSZvJj1pqDAcSTj9A@mail.gmail.com>	<010601cf25f1$0bac48e0$2304daa0$@activebilling.com.au>	<CAKvidAu8u_CUo3WG35Xpk6ufXRYkKxfWSAryFJYqKwUOwLUuZA@mail.gmail.com>	<01c101cf2622$ee55aed0$cb010c70$@activebilling.com.au>
	<CAKvidAveP+UgMyHDcBPuoXtf1hM8rOkhzKse0vFayCwOWeWkkg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <029501cf2781$373b4790$a5b1d6b0$@activebilling.com.au>

Howdy Jack - Sure. 

In the declarations of my form I have this

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Const OLECMDID_OPTICAL_ZOOM As Long = 63
Const OLECMDEXECOPT_DONTPROMPTUSER As Long = 2

On my form I have a MicrosoftWebBrowser control called "actXWebBrowser_1"
Also on my form have a 2 column combo box (called cmbZoom) manually
populated with a value list of the following
50;"50%";75;"75%";80;80%;90;"90%";100;"100%";120;"120%";150;"150%";200;"200%
"
Column widths = 0cm;2.544cm

In the afterupdate of the combo I have this
Private Sub cmbZoom_AfterUpdate()
Me.actXWebBrowser_1.ExecWB OLECMDID_OPTICAL_ZOOM,
OLECMDEXECOPT_DONTPROMPTUSER, CLng(Me.cmbZoom), vbNull
End Sub

Once the file has been loaded into the browser control with something like
Me.actXWebBrowser_1.Navigate "C:\SomeFolder\SomeFile.log"
I can play with the zoom of it - works a treat

Many thanks

Darren


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack drawbridge
Sent: Monday, 10 February 2014 11:26 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2003: Set Default Zoom on Web Browser Control

Darren,

Every now and then I get lucky with Google. I'm retired and only dabble with
Access and  participate in several forums. My search led to a few hits based
on your terms/words.
Could you post a sample of the code to show the set up in context?
Thanks.
jack



On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 12:42 AM, Darren <darren at activebilling.com.au>wrote:

> Thanks Jack,
> I did actually try and find a solution before coming to the list.
> I'm a bit of an old age novice and I did see the execute portion of 
> that code before, but did not see the declarations.
> So every time I ran it, the execute bit would fail due to no declarations.
> But I'm not bright enough to realise that.
> The version you directed me to had the declarations - A real DUH! moment.
> Now works a treat and is incorporated into my form.
> Thanks again.
> Darren
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack 
> drawbridge
> Sent: Monday, 10 February 2014 10:51 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2003: Set Default Zoom on Web Browser Control
>
> You're welcome.
> Happy to help.
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 6:45 PM, Darren <darren at activebilling.com.au>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Jack,
> > Excellent - just what I needed - thank you Darren
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack 
> > drawbridge
> > Sent: Friday, 7 February 2014 12:49 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2003: Set Default Zoom on Web Browser 
> > Control
> >
> > I found this link from 2011
> > http://www.xtremevbtalk.com/showthread.php?t=321811
> >
> > Hope it helps.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 8:31 PM, Darren <darren at activebilling.com.au>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi All
> > >
> > > I have a WebBrowserControl sitting on a form and it displays the 
> > > contents of a text file.
> > >
> > > Does anyone know how I can set the default zoom for that 
> > > WebBrowserControl to say.75% on form load?
> > >
> > > Many thanks in advance
> > >
> > > DD
> > >
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From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Tue Feb 11 17:32:02 2014
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 17:32:02 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Want a chuckle?
In-Reply-To: <52F9BEEE.5090501@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201402112332.s1BNW4IZ011862@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey John
Time does tell, what have you gone brain dead. I always knew you it you old
fart. How about a recipe for buckwheat pancakes. What is next?

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
Sent: February-11-14 12:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Want a chuckle?

One of my favorite games to this day.  Do you think your system will run it?

http://www.allgame.com/game.php?id=24834&tab=sysreqs

-- 
John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Feb 11 17:42:05 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 18:42:05 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Alpha Proficiency Package
In-Reply-To: <201402112209.s1BM9nT6011783@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <CAEPJO1h2gnJVe=By-wOMhjHLN--e63+YGsqtw3DddgOJzmybbA@mail.gmail.com>
	<201402112209.s1BM9nT6011783@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1h1aEU8c0fB0uurQjOmMbPonLfbecGbAR5r0qD6ujbgEg@mail.gmail.com>

Tony,

I didn't mean to imply that I was looking beyond Alpha for something new;
rather, looking for something conventient that worked in Linux. I'm into
Alpha for the long haul. If there's anything intimidating about it, it's
its wealth of tools and technologies. There is sooo much to learn. But like
our athletes are doing in Sochi, I hope soon to be on the podium :)

I too began with dBASE, and even published the first interview with C.Wayne
Ratliff and Jeb Long, way back in the days of Data Base Advisor magazine.
When Clipper was released, I immediately jumped ship and a couple of years
later published my first book, Dynamics of Clipper. Actually, I'm still
friends with the whole Nantucket team, most of all Brian Russell, who
conceived Clipper while working at Ashton-Tate.

Arthur


On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:

> Hey Arthur
> Not me, I do not vary from a product I have chosen. Alpha is what I will
> learn. In the past I looked and tried many different database formats (old
> fart even saying I tried DBase). I was good in these different formats but
> not proficient. Went through a learning curve at the time (Paradox was my
> favourite) and settled on ACCESS. I found, select a format and go for it
> and
> support it, forget about the others. Otherwise with so many products out
> there and I know everyone on this list could recommend their new favourite
> with pros and cons you just go around in circles. I am an old fart not like
> the youngies, I no longer have the time. Just got to shut the outside
> static
> out and concentrate.
>

From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Feb 11 21:28:05 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 19:28:05 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Want a chuckle?
In-Reply-To: <201402112332.s1BNW4IZ011862@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <201402112332.s1BNW4IZ011862@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <52FAEA45.8030100@gmail.com>

uhhh yup, brain dead.  I buy buckwheat pancake mix and so the recipe is... mix and water to desired 
thinness.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/11/2014 3:32 PM, Tony Septav wrote:
> Hey John
> Time does tell, what have you gone brain dead. I always knew you it you old
> fart. How about a recipe for buckwheat pancakes. What is next?
>
> Tony Septav
> Nanaimo, BC
> Canada
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
> Sent: February-11-14 12:11 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Want a chuckle?
>
> One of my favorite games to this day.  Do you think your system will run it?
>
> http://www.allgame.com/game.php?id=24834&tab=sysreqs
>


From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Tue Feb 11 18:56:34 2014
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 18:56:34 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Want a chuckle?
In-Reply-To: <52FAEA45.8030100@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201402120056.s1C0ua5s012076@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey John
I knew it, you were not home grown. You have been pretending for all these
years. Now go outside and try to walk and chew gum at the same time. Oh,
"outside" means open the door and turn left.

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
Sent: February-11-14 9:28 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Want a chuckle?

uhhh yup, brain dead.  I buy buckwheat pancake mix and so the recipe is...
mix and water to desired 
thinness.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/11/2014 3:32 PM, Tony Septav wrote:
> Hey John
> Time does tell, what have you gone brain dead. I always knew you it you
old
> fart. How about a recipe for buckwheat pancakes. What is next?
>
> Tony Septav
> Nanaimo, BC
> Canada
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
> Sent: February-11-14 12:11 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Want a chuckle?
>
> One of my favorite games to this day.  Do you think your system will run
it?
>
> http://www.allgame.com/game.php?id=24834&tab=sysreqs
>

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Feb 11 19:10:41 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 20:10:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Want a chuckle?
In-Reply-To: <201402120056.s1C0ua5s012076@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <52FAEA45.8030100@gmail.com>
	<201402120056.s1C0ua5s012076@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1g9Qf-px8goXEKDgWhW9fOSjRmD0A+3yTBKWOHjE8ieVg@mail.gmail.com>

Figures. A Canuck would recommend Left :)

Arthur


On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 7:56 PM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:

> Hey John
> I knew it, you were not home grown. You have been pretending for all these
> years. Now go outside and try to walk and chew gum at the same time. Oh,
> "outside" means open the door and turn left.
>

From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Tue Feb 11 22:47:36 2014
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 22:47:36 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Want a chuckle?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1g9Qf-px8goXEKDgWhW9fOSjRmD0A+3yTBKWOHjE8ieVg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201402120447.s1C4lbSV012314@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey Arthur and John
Many on this list may think I am an idiot, but if we cannot laugh at
ourselves then who can we truly laugh at. 
Thanks for the chuckles, made my day.

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: February-11-14 7:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Want a chuckle?

Figures. A Canuck would recommend Left :)

Arthur


On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 7:56 PM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:

> Hey John
> I knew it, you were not home grown. You have been pretending for all these
> years. Now go outside and try to walk and chew gum at the same time. Oh,
> "outside" means open the door and turn left.
>
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From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz  Wed Feb 12 02:26:20 2014
From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 21:26:20 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Combo Box Question
In-Reply-To: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB0737B988@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB0737B988@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <96BF0F4B7C644877AF37E9A4B3D73AF9@stevelaptop>

Hi Chester

What is the value of the first (all wells) item in the combobox?  Would it 
work for you to just set that as the Default Value of the combobox, rather 
than using that Form_Open code?  And would it work for you to just use that 
to determine the report?  If I understand you correctly, I would not myself 
favour using the Click event of the combobox to run the report anyway. 
Maybe a little button on the form, to run the report?  That way, the 'all 
wells' option is the default, otherwise the user selects another item from 
the combobox.  And your code on the Click event of the command button along 
the lines of:

Private Sub YourButton_Click()
    If Me.WellNumber = "all wells" Then        ' (or whatever the value of 
the combobox)
         DoCmd.OpenReport "rpt Set Down All"
    Else
         DoCmd.OpenReport "rpt Set Down in a Time Interval"
    End If
End Sub

Regards
Steve

-----Original Message----- 
From: Kaup, Chester
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 3:20 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Combo Box Question

I have a form with two text boxes and a combo box. I use the following code 
to  display a value in the combo box when the form opens. The code then 
shifts the focus to the first text box. I have code attached to the combo. 
It runs fine if I select something from the drop down list but does not run 
if I click on the default value that is displayed in the combo box. If I 
select another item in the drop down list and then go back and select the 
default value displayed the code then runs. I think the problem has to do 
with selecting something from the combo box list but I am unsure how to 
proceed. Thanks.

Form opening code

Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer)
    Me.WellNumber.SetFocus
    Me.WellNumber.ListIndex = 0
    Me.StartDate.SetFocus
End Sub

Combo box code

Private Sub WellNumber_Click()
    Dim frm As Form, ctl As Control
    Dim varItm As Variant, X As Variant
    Set frm = [Forms]![frm Set Down Report Options]
    Set ctl = frm!WellNumber
    DoCmd.SetWarnings Off
    'get the row number of the selected row in the list box
    varItm = ctl.ListIndex

    Select Case varItm
        Case 0 'all wells
             DoCmd.OpenReport "rpt Set Down All", acViewReport
        Case Else
             DoCmd.OpenReport "rpt Set Down in a Time Interval", 
acViewReport
    End Select
    'Stop
End Sub



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Feb 12 05:36:14 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 06:36:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Want a chuckle?
In-Reply-To: <201402120447.s1C4lbSV012314@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <CAEPJO1g9Qf-px8goXEKDgWhW9fOSjRmD0A+3yTBKWOHjE8ieVg@mail.gmail.com>
	<201402120447.s1C4lbSV012314@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1imYvkOh0GHUhzJ49dHmGS0f7o19ncJ+mSbeCtPnUU5QQ@mail.gmail.com>

Tony,

I *was *laughing at myself, Tony. Actually, tomorrow I'm off to Niagara
Falls to canvass for the NDP and hopefully help unseat the Conservative
member and leader of their party, Mr. Hudak. LOL.

But first I have more important things on my plate: Canada v. USA women's
hockey, in about an hour.

A.


On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 11:47 PM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:

> Hey Arthur and John
> Many on this list may think I am an idiot, but if we cannot laugh at
> ourselves then who can we truly laugh at.
> Thanks for the chuckles, made my day.
>

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Feb 12 05:46:40 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 06:46:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Combo Box Question
In-Reply-To: <96BF0F4B7C644877AF37E9A4B3D73AF9@stevelaptop>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB0737B988@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>
	<96BF0F4B7C644877AF37E9A4B3D73AF9@stevelaptop>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jsqDn3K-9xcpcWTtPpA2VBc4R7v+s1w1NcyHb=1m0JRw@mail.gmail.com>

Chester,

In situations like this, I often make the data source a union query. For
example:

SELECT WellNumber, WellName FROM Wells
UNION
SELECT 0, "All Wells"

At the moment I've forgotten, but I you might need to reverse the order of
the SELECT statements to ensure that the "All Wells" value is at the top.
At any rate, then you just use the code as suggested by Steve, and you're
good to go.

Arthur


On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 3:26 AM, Steve Schapel <
steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz> wrote:

> Hi Chester
>
> What is the value of the first (all wells) item in the combobox?  Would it
> work for you to just set that as the Default Value of the combobox, rather
> than using that Form_Open code?  And would it work for you to just use that
> to determine the report?  If I understand you correctly, I would not myself
> favour using the Click event of the combobox to run the report anyway.
> Maybe a little button on the form, to run the report?  That way, the 'all
> wells' option is the default, otherwise the user selects another item from
> the combobox.  And your code on the Click event of the command button along
> the lines of:
>
> Private Sub YourButton_Click()
>    If Me.WellNumber = "all wells" Then        ' (or whatever the value of
> the combobox)
>
>         DoCmd.OpenReport "rpt Set Down All"
>    Else
>         DoCmd.OpenReport "rpt Set Down in a Time Interval"
>    End If
> End Sub
>
> Regards
> Steve

From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Feb 12 06:58:21 2014
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 07:58:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Alpha Proficiency Package
In-Reply-To: <201402111851.s1BIpJwe011526@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <0DABA308-06A9-4149-AC9F-626CE37FDC99@verizon.net>
	<201402111851.s1BIpJwe011526@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <28BDDDBE4F6E4F3289FB7B015C1B02A2@XPS>


<<it makes more sense to receive the
updates, plug ins etc.>>

There's pro's and con's to it.  It will be interesting to see how the
subscription model evolves.   Many vendors are going to it so they have a
steady revenue stream.  Time will tell if it will work well or not.

While it seems like getting a steady stream of new features might be nice,
it can work against you.  In regards to Office 365, one of the things that's
surfaced is that you get new updates on Microsoft's time table, whether you
want them or not.  That means companies now need to deal with user training
on a constant basis.  Also means they are always dealing with the newest
problems, for which many times there is no quick fix for.  No longer can
they purchase something, train on it, learn it inside and out, sit on it,
and re-coup their investment.

There's also the issue of the features/updates themselves.  Many vendors are
now pressured to bring out features on a regular basis, otherwise folks feel
like their not getting their money's worth.   Problem is, many of the
features are worthless and if introduced on their own, would fall flat.

Team Viewer is like this.  They committed to one major release a year.  But
it's obvious that their struggling to come up with new features to include.
I'm still on version 7 because there has been nothing compelling in versions
8 or 9 to bother upgrading for.  Their not quite a subscription model, but
your always encouraged to continually upgrade and that's their pitch.   Buy,
then continually upgrade at a reduced price.  If you don't upgrade, the
upgrade price goes up each release you skip until you get back to full
price.  That's costly if you decide you don't want a release, but if a
release offers nothing, your spending money for nothing.

It will be very interesting to see how the pace of innovation is affected by
the subscription model.  I believe subscription prices will trend lower and
along with it, the pace of innovation will slow.

Jim.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 01:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Alpha Proficiency Package

Hey Jim
At first I baulked (and it kind of made me angry) at a yearly update
license, but giving it some thought it makes more sense to receive the
updates, plug ins etc. on a regular basis. Rather than waiting 2 to 3 years
to purchase the next version release of a program.

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: February-10-14 7:41 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Alpha Proficiency Package

Almost everything is on a subscription model now.   I bought The Dev Express
framework for .net last year...not cheap either and it's year after year.

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 10, 2014, at 6:41 PM, "Tony Septav" <TSeptav at Uniserve.com> wrote:

> Hey John
> I have bought into the Alpha line of products, upon a recommendation from
> Arthur.  After almost over 20 years of working and developing client
> applications with ACCESS I found over the last 3 or 4 years MicroSoft had
> totally left their developers behind. I had to make a decision either buy
a
> weiny wagon and go sale my wares on the  beach or look for another
> alternative to continue producing applications that my remaining few
current
> clients and possible future clients could use on the Web or on their
mobile
> devices. I have spent the past few months renovating the house but hope to
> get up to speed starting in March with Alpha. The product is not cheap. My
> understanding is you initially buy the product with a 1 year term license,
> that means any new updates (and they continue to push out new stuff every
> month) will be sent to you for free after that you have to pay a fee to
> continue to receive the updates for the next year.
> 
> Tony Septav
> Nanaimo, BC
> Canada
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
> Sent: February-10-14 8:03 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Alpha Proficiency Package
> 
> The link says "1 year term license". What happens after a year?  I might
be
> tempted to do this but 
> not if there is a yearly license fee.
> 
> If I may ask, how did you get involved in this and how much has it cost
you
> so far?
> 
> John W. Colby
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> On 2/10/2014 12:06 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>> For those listers who have taken a look at Alpha Anywhere (and those that
>> haven't), the folks at Alpha Software have put together the package named
>> above. It includes the full Alpha Anywhere package normally $1899), two
>> hours of personlized, expert mentoring, normally $150 per hour, plus a
> free
>> registration for an upcoming Intensive Programming Workshop, normally
> $399.
>> All  of this is available for $999 US.
>> 
>> In the interests of full disclosure, I am in frequent communication with
>> the Rabins brothers, the principals of Alpha, and with various members of
>> the development team. I am not an Alpha employee, nor have any commercial
>> relationship with Alpha. I am, however, a huge admirer of the Alpha line
> of
>> software, and especially with Alpha Anywhere, which I consider the
leading
>> product available for developing write-once apps for smart phone, tablet
>> and traditional browsers, as well as traditional desktop apps.
>> 
>> Alpha is so much more powerful than Access that there is almost no
>> comparison. To download a free trial and view the many demos and videos,
>> visit www.alphasoftware.com. To take advantage of the Proficiency Package
>> offer, visit this link:
>
https://www.alphasoftware.com/shop/itemdesc.asp?PRODID=1488&utm_source=hs_em
>
ail&utm_medium=email&utm_content=11895960&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-8wrtkWdVInvFAxEtJyI
>
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Wed Feb 12 07:22:50 2014
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 13:22:50 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Combo Box Question
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jsqDn3K-9xcpcWTtPpA2VBc4R7v+s1w1NcyHb=1m0JRw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB0737B988@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>
	<96BF0F4B7C644877AF37E9A4B3D73AF9@stevelaptop>
	<CAEPJO1jsqDn3K-9xcpcWTtPpA2VBc4R7v+s1w1NcyHb=1m0JRw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB0737BE4F@HOUEX6.kindermorgan.com>

Thanks for the suggestions. I will try them.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 5:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Combo Box Question

Chester,

In situations like this, I often make the data source a union query. For
example:

SELECT WellNumber, WellName FROM Wells
UNION
SELECT 0, "All Wells"

At the moment I've forgotten, but I you might need to reverse the order of the SELECT statements to ensure that the "All Wells" value is at the top.
At any rate, then you just use the code as suggested by Steve, and you're good to go.

Arthur


On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 3:26 AM, Steve Schapel < steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz> wrote:

> Hi Chester
>
> What is the value of the first (all wells) item in the combobox?  
> Would it work for you to just set that as the Default Value of the 
> combobox, rather than using that Form_Open code?  And would it work 
> for you to just use that to determine the report?  If I understand you 
> correctly, I would not myself favour using the Click event of the combobox to run the report anyway.
> Maybe a little button on the form, to run the report?  That way, the 
> 'all wells' option is the default, otherwise the user selects another 
> item from the combobox.  And your code on the Click event of the 
> command button along the lines of:
>
> Private Sub YourButton_Click()
>    If Me.WellNumber = "all wells" Then        ' (or whatever the value of
> the combobox)
>
>         DoCmd.OpenReport "rpt Set Down All"
>    Else
>         DoCmd.OpenReport "rpt Set Down in a Time Interval"
>    End If
> End Sub
>
> Regards
> Steve
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Feb 12 12:37:24 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 11:37:24 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] Want a chuckle?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1imYvkOh0GHUhzJ49dHmGS0f7o19ncJ+mSbeCtPnUU5QQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1130179418.8162054.1392230244015.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Arthur:

Excuse me for being grossly OT but:

At this point I hardly care who wins but I would hardly call this group that is in power the Conservatives more like the Crooks. Give them hell Arthur and start winning back the country.

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 12 February, 2014 3:36:14 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Want a chuckle?

Tony,

I *was *laughing at myself, Tony. Actually, tomorrow I'm off to Niagara
Falls to canvass for the NDP and hopefully help unseat the Conservative
member and leader of their party, Mr. Hudak. LOL.

But first I have more important things on my plate: Canada v. USA women's
hockey, in about an hour.

A.


On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 11:47 PM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:

> Hey Arthur and John
> Many on this list may think I am an idiot, but if we cannot laugh at
> ourselves then who can we truly laugh at.
> Thanks for the chuckles, made my day.
>
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From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Wed Feb 12 15:09:55 2014
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 15:09:55 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Want a chuckle?
In-Reply-To: <1130179418.8162054.1392230244015.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <201402122109.s1CL9vCv013905@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey Jim
I take offence and you are right it is grossly OT. This is a group dedicated
to the advancement of ACCESS techniques and problem solving. Why waste our
time with trivial political statements, no matter what country you are from.
I find this a shameful display of abusing our valuable Web space.

Gotcha

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: February-12-14 12:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Want a chuckle?

Hi Arthur:

Excuse me for being grossly OT but:

At this point I hardly care who wins but I would hardly call this group that
is in power the Conservatives more like the Crooks. Give them hell Arthur
and start winning back the country.

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 12 February, 2014 3:36:14 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Want a chuckle?

Tony,

I *was *laughing at myself, Tony. Actually, tomorrow I'm off to Niagara
Falls to canvass for the NDP and hopefully help unseat the Conservative
member and leader of their party, Mr. Hudak. LOL.

But first I have more important things on my plate: Canada v. USA women's
hockey, in about an hour.

A.


On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 11:47 PM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:

> Hey Arthur and John
> Many on this list may think I am an idiot, but if we cannot laugh at
> ourselves then who can we truly laugh at.
> Thanks for the chuckles, made my day.
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Feb 12 15:33:49 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 14:33:49 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] Want a chuckle?
In-Reply-To: <201402122109.s1CL9vCv013905@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <1742545365.8365007.1392240829282.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hey Tony:

Ha ha ha...take a flying jump you cantankerous old man. ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Septav" <TSeptav at Uniserve.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 1:09:55 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Want a chuckle?

Hey Jim
I take offence and you are right it is grossly OT. This is a group dedicated
to the advancement of ACCESS techniques and problem solving. Why waste our
time with trivial political statements, no matter what country you are from.
I find this a shameful display of abusing our valuable Web space.

Gotcha

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: February-12-14 12:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Want a chuckle?

Hi Arthur:

Excuse me for being grossly OT but:

At this point I hardly care who wins but I would hardly call this group that
is in power the Conservatives more like the Crooks. Give them hell Arthur
and start winning back the country.

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 12 February, 2014 3:36:14 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Want a chuckle?

Tony,

I *was *laughing at myself, Tony. Actually, tomorrow I'm off to Niagara
Falls to canvass for the NDP and hopefully help unseat the Conservative
member and leader of their party, Mr. Hudak. LOL.

But first I have more important things on my plate: Canada v. USA women's
hockey, in about an hour.

A.


On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 11:47 PM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:

> Hey Arthur and John
> Many on this list may think I am an idiot, but if we cannot laugh at
> ourselves then who can we truly laugh at.
> Thanks for the chuckles, made my day.
>
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From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Wed Feb 12 16:16:54 2014
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 16:16:54 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Want a chuckle?
In-Reply-To: <1742545365.8365007.1392240829282.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <201402122216.s1CMGuW2014136@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey Jim
How do you know I am a cantankerous old man?
I just went out and skied 20km this morning which is ridiculous because we
have no snow up here in paradise, now try that . Sorry to the serious
players on this group I am just funning, nothing more. I am not making mock,
I am just saying loosen up.
And yes I have broken my own rule of let us discuss ACCESS topics only on
the list and I apologize. To be very honest I am envious of those ACCESS
developers that are still producing applications for their clients. Kudos
(very strange word) to you. 

Got to go back to roaming in the background. 
Now I got to go off and find the fairies that are living in my
neighbourhood's backyards. Could be a new reality TV show here.


Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: February-12-14 3:34 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Want a chuckle?

Hey Tony:

Ha ha ha...take a flying jump you cantankerous old man. ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Septav" <TSeptav at Uniserve.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 1:09:55 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Want a chuckle?

Hey Jim
I take offence and you are right it is grossly OT. This is a group dedicated
to the advancement of ACCESS techniques and problem solving. Why waste our
time with trivial political statements, no matter what country you are from.
I find this a shameful display of abusing our valuable Web space.

Gotcha

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: February-12-14 12:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Want a chuckle?

Hi Arthur:

Excuse me for being grossly OT but:

At this point I hardly care who wins but I would hardly call this group that
is in power the Conservatives more like the Crooks. Give them hell Arthur
and start winning back the country.

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 12 February, 2014 3:36:14 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Want a chuckle?

Tony,

I *was *laughing at myself, Tony. Actually, tomorrow I'm off to Niagara
Falls to canvass for the NDP and hopefully help unseat the Conservative
member and leader of their party, Mr. Hudak. LOL.

But first I have more important things on my plate: Canada v. USA women's
hockey, in about an hour.

A.


On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 11:47 PM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:

> Hey Arthur and John
> Many on this list may think I am an idiot, but if we cannot laugh at
> ourselves then who can we truly laugh at.
> Thanks for the chuckles, made my day.
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Feb 12 17:54:48 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 16:54:48 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] Want a chuckle?
In-Reply-To: <201402122216.s1CMGuW2014136@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <1825379444.8497184.1392249288818.JavaMail.root@cds002>

"How do you know I am a cantankerous old man?"

You live in Nanaimo? ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Septav" <TSeptav at Uniserve.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 12 February, 2014 2:16:54 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Want a chuckle?

Hey Jim
How do you know I am a cantankerous old man?
I just went out and skied 20km this morning which is ridiculous because we
have no snow up here in paradise, now try that . Sorry to the serious
players on this group I am just funning, nothing more. I am not making mock,
I am just saying loosen up.
And yes I have broken my own rule of let us discuss ACCESS topics only on
the list and I apologize. To be very honest I am envious of those ACCESS
developers that are still producing applications for their clients. Kudos
(very strange word) to you. 

Got to go back to roaming in the background. 
Now I got to go off and find the fairies that are living in my
neighbourhood's backyards. Could be a new reality TV show here.


Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: February-12-14 3:34 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Want a chuckle?

Hey Tony:

Ha ha ha...take a flying jump you cantankerous old man. ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Septav" <TSeptav at Uniserve.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 1:09:55 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Want a chuckle?

Hey Jim
I take offence and you are right it is grossly OT. This is a group dedicated
to the advancement of ACCESS techniques and problem solving. Why waste our
time with trivial political statements, no matter what country you are from.
I find this a shameful display of abusing our valuable Web space.

Gotcha

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: February-12-14 12:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Want a chuckle?

Hi Arthur:

Excuse me for being grossly OT but:

At this point I hardly care who wins but I would hardly call this group that
is in power the Conservatives more like the Crooks. Give them hell Arthur
and start winning back the country.

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 12 February, 2014 3:36:14 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Want a chuckle?

Tony,

I *was *laughing at myself, Tony. Actually, tomorrow I'm off to Niagara
Falls to canvass for the NDP and hopefully help unseat the Conservative
member and leader of their party, Mr. Hudak. LOL.

But first I have more important things on my plate: Canada v. USA women's
hockey, in about an hour.

A.


On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 11:47 PM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:

> Hey Arthur and John
> Many on this list may think I am an idiot, but if we cannot laugh at
> ourselves then who can we truly laugh at.
> Thanks for the chuckles, made my day.
>
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From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Wed Feb 12 19:50:08 2014
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 19:50:08 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Want a chuckle?
In-Reply-To: <1825379444.8497184.1392249288818.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <201402130150.s1D1oBL8014444@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey Jim
Nice one. I will not forget that.

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: February-12-14 5:55 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Want a chuckle?

"How do you know I am a cantankerous old man?"

You live in Nanaimo? ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Septav" <TSeptav at Uniserve.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 12 February, 2014 2:16:54 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Want a chuckle?

Hey Jim
How do you know I am a cantankerous old man?
I just went out and skied 20km this morning which is ridiculous because we
have no snow up here in paradise, now try that . Sorry to the serious
players on this group I am just funning, nothing more. I am not making mock,
I am just saying loosen up.
And yes I have broken my own rule of let us discuss ACCESS topics only on
the list and I apologize. To be very honest I am envious of those ACCESS
developers that are still producing applications for their clients. Kudos
(very strange word) to you. 

Got to go back to roaming in the background. 
Now I got to go off and find the fairies that are living in my
neighbourhood's backyards. Could be a new reality TV show here.


Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: February-12-14 3:34 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Want a chuckle?

Hey Tony:

Ha ha ha...take a flying jump you cantankerous old man. ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Septav" <TSeptav at Uniserve.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 1:09:55 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Want a chuckle?

Hey Jim
I take offence and you are right it is grossly OT. This is a group dedicated
to the advancement of ACCESS techniques and problem solving. Why waste our
time with trivial political statements, no matter what country you are from.
I find this a shameful display of abusing our valuable Web space.

Gotcha

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: February-12-14 12:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Want a chuckle?

Hi Arthur:

Excuse me for being grossly OT but:

At this point I hardly care who wins but I would hardly call this group that
is in power the Conservatives more like the Crooks. Give them hell Arthur
and start winning back the country.

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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Sent: Wednesday, 12 February, 2014 3:36:14 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Want a chuckle?

Tony,

I *was *laughing at myself, Tony. Actually, tomorrow I'm off to Niagara
Falls to canvass for the NDP and hopefully help unseat the Conservative
member and leader of their party, Mr. Hudak. LOL.

But first I have more important things on my plate: Canada v. USA women's
hockey, in about an hour.

A.


On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 11:47 PM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:

> Hey Arthur and John
> Many on this list may think I am an idiot, but if we cannot laugh at
> ourselves then who can we truly laugh at.
> Thanks for the chuckles, made my day.
>
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From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Thu Feb 13 09:37:08 2014
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 15:37:08 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server Express 2012 - SSRS on Windows 7 Home Premium
Message-ID: <CALGJE94g2RDQayXSum8yEMQpxTm33P4TUjzMnkRMSD2LkPrmAA@mail.gmail.com>

To all,

Wanting to see if I had still retained my knowledge of report development
in SSRS I have downloaded and installed SQL Server Express 2012 Advanced
which provides the management studio and SSRS, however I can not seem to
get to the home page for the reports, apparently it is supposed to be all
configured on installation.  I have been into the reporting services
configuration manager and clicked the link for reporting services, which I
assumed would take me to the home page of the reporting, I get asked for a
username and password but then I get an error on google and nothing on IE.
 I have a feeling I probably have to do something else or SSRS won't work
on Windows 7 Home Premium.

Has anyone else managed to successfully install and use SSRS on Windows 7
Home Premium ?

Thanks in advance for any help on this.

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From RRANTHON at sentara.com  Thu Feb 13 09:42:45 2014
From: RRANTHON at sentara.com (RANDALL R ANTHONY)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 15:42:45 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server Express 2012 - SSRS on Windows 7 Home
 Premium
In-Reply-To: <CALGJE94g2RDQayXSum8yEMQpxTm33P4TUjzMnkRMSD2LkPrmAA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALGJE94g2RDQayXSum8yEMQpxTm33P4TUjzMnkRMSD2LkPrmAA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201402131542.s1DFgteA015387@databaseadvisors.com>

Paul,
This might help.
http://phelabaum.com/archive/2010/04/reporting-services-and-windows-7-home-premium/


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 10:37 AM
To: Access List
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server Express 2012 - SSRS on Windows 7 Home Premium

To all,

Wanting to see if I had still retained my knowledge of report development in SSRS I have downloaded and installed SQL Server Express 2012 Advanced which provides the management studio and SSRS, however I can not seem to get to the home page for the reports, apparently it is supposed to be all configured on installation.  I have been into the reporting services configuration manager and clicked the link for reporting services, which I assumed would take me to the home page of the reporting, I get asked for a username and password but then I get an error on google and nothing on IE.
 I have a feeling I probably have to do something else or SSRS won't work on Windows 7 Home Premium.

Has anyone else managed to successfully install and use SSRS on Windows 7 Home Premium ?

Thanks in advance for any help on this.

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From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Thu Feb 13 10:28:10 2014
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 16:28:10 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server Express 2012 - SSRS on Windows 7 Home
	Premium
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Oh thank you for that, been pulling my hair out most of the morning, never
found anything that said to try that, thatnk you very much.

Paul


On 13 February 2014 15:42, RANDALL R ANTHONY <RRANTHON at sentara.com> wrote:

> Paul,
> This might help.
>
> http://phelabaum.com/archive/2010/04/reporting-services-and-windows-7-home-premium/
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hartland
> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 10:37 AM
> To: Access List
> Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server Express 2012 - SSRS on Windows 7 Home Premium
>
> To all,
>
> Wanting to see if I had still retained my knowledge of report development
> in SSRS I have downloaded and installed SQL Server Express 2012 Advanced
> which provides the management studio and SSRS, however I can not seem to
> get to the home page for the reports, apparently it is supposed to be all
> configured on installation.  I have been into the reporting services
> configuration manager and clicked the link for reporting services, which I
> assumed would take me to the home page of the reporting, I get asked for a
> username and password but then I get an error on google and nothing on IE.
>  I have a feeling I probably have to do something else or SSRS won't work
> on Windows 7 Home Premium.
>
> Has anyone else managed to successfully install and use SSRS on Windows 7
> Home Premium ?
>
> Thanks in advance for any help on this.
>
> --
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> paul.hartland at googlemail.com
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From kost36 at otenet.gr  Fri Feb 14 11:44:10 2014
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 19:44:10 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] open a video file...
Message-ID: <E19FE6222AB643C78F4DB69665D33B9F@kost36>

hi,
In a form I use the follown code:

Private Sub FilmID_DblClick(Cancel As Integer)
Dim fname, x As String
fname = "F:\Trailers\" & Me.FilmID & "*"  <? I don?t know if its the correct syntax
x = IIf(InStrRev([fname], ".") > 0, Mid([fname], InStrRev([fname], ".") + 1), "")
if fname = ?? then ?appears a message for file not found
else
Shell "C:\Program Files (x86)\Windows Media Player\wmplayer.exe F:\Trailers\fname", vbNormalFocus
End Sub

Every stored file into F:\ Trailers is titled with the same FilmID as filename (e.g FilmId = 3070 filename = 3070.mp4) but the extensions may be different while some files are saved as .mp4 some as .avi and some others as .flv etc rtc...
When Shell() calls wmplayer, it opens but it can't play the file because obviously it can't find it...

Thank you for any help

/kostas

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Feb 17 05:59:28 2014
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 21:59:28 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] open a video file...
In-Reply-To: <E19FE6222AB643C78F4DB69665D33B9F@kost36>
References: <E19FE6222AB643C78F4DB69665D33B9F@kost36>
Message-ID: <5301F9A0.14609.495F16EB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Try this:

'' Use double quote to delimit wmplayer path containing a space.
DIm dq as string
dq = chr$(34)  

'Get the file name
fname =  Dir$("F:\Trailers\" & Me.FilmID & ".*")

if fname = "" then 
  `appears a message for file not found
else
  Shell dq & _
       "C:\Program Files (x86)\Windows Media Player\wmplayer.exe" &  _
       dq  & _
      " F:\Trailers\" & fname, vbNormalFocus 
end if 


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On 14 Feb 2014 at 19:44, Kostas Konstantinidis wrote:

> hi,
> In a form I use the follown code:
> 
> Private Sub FilmID_DblClick(Cancel As Integer)
> Dim fname, x As String
> fname = "F:\Trailers\" & Me.FilmID & "*"  <- I don?t know if its
> the correct syntax x = IIf(InStrRev([fname], ".") > 0, Mid([fname],
> InStrRev([fname], ".") + 1), "") if fname = "" then `appears a
> message for file not found else Shell "C:\Program Files (x86)\Windows
> Media Player\wmplayer.exe F:\Trailers\fname", vbNormalFocus End Sub
> 
> Every stored file into F:\ Trailers is titled with the same FilmID as
> filename (e.g FilmId = 3070 filename = 3070.mp4) but the extensions
> may be different while some files are saved as .mp4 some as .avi and
> some others as .flv etc rtc... When Shell() calls wmplayer, it opens
> but it can't play the file because obviously it can't find it...
> 
> Thank you for any help
> 
> /kostas
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From kost36 at otenet.gr  Mon Feb 17 06:30:16 2014
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 14:30:16 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] open a video file...
In-Reply-To: <5301F9A0.14609.495F16EB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <E19FE6222AB643C78F4DB69665D33B9F@kost36>
	<5301F9A0.14609.495F16EB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <00D2D2FFC0E44C71AA67DE1B701AA716@kost36>

Stuart,
thank's a lot, it works perfect

/kostas

-----?????? ??????----- 
From: Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 1:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] open a video file...

Try this:

'' Use double quote to delimit wmplayer path containing a space.
DIm dq as string
dq = chr$(34)

'Get the file name
fname =  Dir$("F:\Trailers\" & Me.FilmID & ".*")

if fname = "" then
  `appears a message for file not found
else
  Shell dq & _
       "C:\Program Files (x86)\Windows Media Player\wmplayer.exe" &  _
       dq  & _
      " F:\Trailers\" & fname, vbNormalFocus
end if


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On 14 Feb 2014 at 19:44, Kostas Konstantinidis wrote:

> hi,
> In a form I use the follown code:
>
> Private Sub FilmID_DblClick(Cancel As Integer)
> Dim fname, x As String
> fname = "F:\Trailers\" & Me.FilmID & "*"  <- I don?t know if its
> the correct syntax x = IIf(InStrRev([fname], ".") > 0, Mid([fname],
> InStrRev([fname], ".") + 1), "") if fname = "" then `appears a
> message for file not found else Shell "C:\Program Files (x86)\Windows
> Media Player\wmplayer.exe F:\Trailers\fname", vbNormalFocus End Sub
>
> Every stored file into F:\ Trailers is titled with the same FilmID as
> filename (e.g FilmId = 3070 filename = 3070.mp4) but the extensions
> may be different while some files are saved as .mp4 some as .avi and
> some others as .flv etc rtc... When Shell() calls wmplayer, it opens
> but it can't play the file because obviously it can't find it...
>
> Thank you for any help
>
> /kostas
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Feb 17 12:29:24 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 13:29:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Upsizing Wizard Missing
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1i9jFFB1NvVuqr6M5Jt0wgN18+iLMCAY==N3fr02L4JDw@mail.gmail.com>

I haven't done this for a while, but I want to upsize an Access 2007 accdb
to SQL 2012. I consulted the Help and it said that in the Database Tools
tab, in the Move Data group, click SQL Server.

I don't have a Move Data group in the Externat Tools tab. I'm guessing that
maybe the Upsizing Wizard was not installed.

Any ideas?

-- 
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Feb 17 12:40:41 2014
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 13:40:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Upsizing Wizard Missing
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1i9jFFB1NvVuqr6M5Jt0wgN18+iLMCAY==N3fr02L4JDw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1i9jFFB1NvVuqr6M5Jt0wgN18+iLMCAY==N3fr02L4JDw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <422AA1D823454B2CABD9B6AB9096A985@XPS>


 Even if it was there, you don't want to use it. The SQL Server Migration
Assistant (SSMA) is far superior and can be downloaded from Microsoft's web
site.  Just Google it.

 And BTW, the Migration Assistant was removed from Access.  Don't remember
which version off-hand (thought it was 2010, but it might have been 2007).

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 01:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Upsizing Wizard Missing

I haven't done this for a while, but I want to upsize an Access 2007 accdb
to SQL 2012. I consulted the Help and it said that in the Database Tools
tab, in the Move Data group, click SQL Server.

I don't have a Move Data group in the Externat Tools tab. I'm guessing that
maybe the Upsizing Wizard was not installed.

Any ideas?

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Feb 17 12:45:59 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 13:45:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Upsizing Wizard Missing
In-Reply-To: <422AA1D823454B2CABD9B6AB9096A985@XPS>
References: <CAEPJO1i9jFFB1NvVuqr6M5Jt0wgN18+iLMCAY==N3fr02L4JDw@mail.gmail.com>
	<422AA1D823454B2CABD9B6AB9096A985@XPS>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iQu8NDC4TGq9au1QCkqL9jPNJimiY+42cLbWWxR4fvwA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Jim. I also recall a 3rd Party implementation from SSW Software in
Australia. Maybe I'll have a look there as well as Googling SSMA.

Arthur


On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>  Even if it was there, you don't want to use it. The SQL Server Migration
> Assistant (SSMA) is far superior and can be downloaded from Microsoft's web
> site.  Just Google it.
>
>  And BTW, the Migration Assistant was removed from Access.  Don't remember
> which version off-hand (thought it was 2010, but it might have been 2007).
>
> Jim.

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Mon Feb 17 15:57:29 2014
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 13:57:29 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2013 Field Name Capitaliaation
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9LZ5J9MfBvPYCj57ivopS==ZVF13R5By_9NQBPqtg0Xg@mail.gmail.com>

I'm working on my current contract and decided to use lower case prefixes
on field names (Access BE and FE) to indicate table or category of the
value and insure unique field names.  For some reason, Access keeps
recapitalizing the first character of the field names when I save, close,
and reopen the table in design view!  Has anyone else run into this?  I
just spent several hours lower casing prefixes only to discover after I ran
a routine to extract the field names that they had been recapitalized!
 I've fiddled with turning off Autocorrect, but that seems to do nothing
positive for me.

Any suggestions before I try shooting myself?

Charlotte

From jwcolby at gmail.com  Mon Feb 17 16:17:03 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 17:17:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2013 Field Name Capitaliaation
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9LZ5J9MfBvPYCj57ivopS==ZVF13R5By_9NQBPqtg0Xg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH+Met9LZ5J9MfBvPYCj57ivopS==ZVF13R5By_9NQBPqtg0Xg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53028A5F.3010607@gmail.com>

Give up and accept that Microsoft knows best?  Mail cat feces to everyone at Microsoft?  Follow 
Arthur to another database product entirely?  Take up Yoga and consider your navel?  Copious 
quantities of attitude enhancing drugs?

All of those suggestions are better than shooting yourself.

;)

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/17/2014 4:57 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> I'm working on my current contract and decided to use lower case prefixes
> on field names (Access BE and FE) to indicate table or category of the
> value and insure unique field names.  For some reason, Access keeps
> recapitalizing the first character of the field names when I save, close,
> and reopen the table in design view!  Has anyone else run into this?  I
> just spent several hours lower casing prefixes only to discover after I ran
> a routine to extract the field names that they had been recapitalized!
>   I've fiddled with turning off Autocorrect, but that seems to do nothing
> positive for me.
>
> Any suggestions before I try shooting myself?
>
> Charlotte


From df.waters at comcast.net  Mon Feb 17 16:30:28 2014
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 16:30:28 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2013 Field Name Capitaliaation
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9LZ5J9MfBvPYCj57ivopS==ZVF13R5By_9NQBPqtg0Xg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH+Met9LZ5J9MfBvPYCj57ivopS==ZVF13R5By_9NQBPqtg0Xg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000201cf2c2f$dca9e300$95fda900$@comcast.net>

Hi Charlotte,

I do not use prefixes for field names in tables.  However, I do use them for
table names and everything in the FE.  And, for any object in access which
carries the value of a field, I use the prefix + the name of the field.
Seems to work well - I can get into any older code and pretty quickly
understand what I was doing back then (not to say I still agree -but that's
a different story!).

And - always turn off Name AutoCorrect in options for the Current Database.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 3:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2013 Field Name Capitaliaation

I'm working on my current contract and decided to use lower case prefixes on
field names (Access BE and FE) to indicate table or category of the value
and insure unique field names.  For some reason, Access keeps recapitalizing
the first character of the field names when I save, close, and reopen the
table in design view!  Has anyone else run into this?  I just spent several
hours lower casing prefixes only to discover after I ran a routine to
extract the field names that they had been recapitalized!
 I've fiddled with turning off Autocorrect, but that seems to do nothing
positive for me.

Any suggestions before I try shooting myself?

Charlotte
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Feb 17 16:45:01 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 17:45:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Upsizing Wizard Missing
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iQu8NDC4TGq9au1QCkqL9jPNJimiY+42cLbWWxR4fvwA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1i9jFFB1NvVuqr6M5Jt0wgN18+iLMCAY==N3fr02L4JDw@mail.gmail.com>
	<422AA1D823454B2CABD9B6AB9096A985@XPS>
	<CAEPJO1iQu8NDC4TGq9au1QCkqL9jPNJimiY+42cLbWWxR4fvwA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gnVcXbbAEjbeTw_7hSHGEWg=ptnoZ+T+Wu23+H5wrt4Q@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,

As suggested, I installed SSMA and tried to run it. Step 1, Choose an
Access database, worked fine. Step 2, Connect to SQL Server, failed. The
message suggests that I ensure that SQL Server is configured to allow
remote connections (provider: Named Pipes provider, error 40 - Could not
open a connection to SQL Server)

I have SSMS open at the moment. The server name is (localhost) and it works
fine. I'm using the same server name in SSMA but getting the error above.

I've forgotten how to check that remote connections are allowed. Can you
(or someone else) remind me?

Thanks,
Arthur


On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> Thanks, Jim. I also recall a 3rd Party implementation from SSW Software in
> Australia. Maybe I'll have a look there as well as Googling SSMA.
>
> Arthur
>

From dw-murphy at cox.net  Mon Feb 17 17:14:18 2014
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 15:14:18 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Upsizing Wizard Missing
In-Reply-To: <Tamr1n00A0xgD8Z01amtFd>
References: <CAEPJO1i9jFFB1NvVuqr6M5Jt0wgN18+iLMCAY==N3fr02L4JDw@mail.gmail.com>	<422AA1D823454B2CABD9B6AB9096A985@XPS>	<CAEPJO1iQu8NDC4TGq9au1QCkqL9jPNJimiY+42cLbWWxR4fvwA@mail.gmail.com>
	<Tamr1n00A0xgD8Z01amtFd>
Message-ID: <008b01cf2c35$fbb69710$f323c530$@cox.net>

This can be done from SQL Server Management Studio. See
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms140052.aspx. Your problem may
be that the tool your trying to use does not recognize the newer version of
SQL Server. That is a guess on my part.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 2:45 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Upsizing Wizard Missing

Jim,

As suggested, I installed SSMA and tried to run it. Step 1, Choose an Access
database, worked fine. Step 2, Connect to SQL Server, failed. The message
suggests that I ensure that SQL Server is configured to allow remote
connections (provider: Named Pipes provider, error 40 - Could not open a
connection to SQL Server)

I have SSMS open at the moment. The server name is (localhost) and it works
fine. I'm using the same server name in SSMA but getting the error above.

I've forgotten how to check that remote connections are allowed. Can you (or
someone else) remind me?

Thanks,
Arthur


On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Arthur Fuller
<fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> Thanks, Jim. I also recall a 3rd Party implementation from SSW 
> Software in Australia. Maybe I'll have a look there as well as Googling
SSMA.
>
> Arthur
>
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Mon Feb 17 17:52:59 2014
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 23:52:59 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Upsizing Wizard Missing
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gnVcXbbAEjbeTw_7hSHGEWg=ptnoZ+T+Wu23+H5wrt4Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1i9jFFB1NvVuqr6M5Jt0wgN18+iLMCAY==N3fr02L4JDw@mail.gmail.com>
	<422AA1D823454B2CABD9B6AB9096A985@XPS>
	<CAEPJO1iQu8NDC4TGq9au1QCkqL9jPNJimiY+42cLbWWxR4fvwA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1gnVcXbbAEjbeTw_7hSHGEWg=ptnoZ+T+Wu23+H5wrt4Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6c8c7db42a4d428baad02149e324346e@HKXPR04MB184.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Might be a bit OT here, but in A2010 the SQL Server migration tool is on the ribbon in the Access app and works well.  Indeed I only used it the other day to move the a few hundred tables from an Access database to SQL Server 2012 (Express).

It is on the Ribbon under "Database Tools".  it straightforward to do.

Regards
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, 18 February 2014 9:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Upsizing Wizard Missing

Jim,

As suggested, I installed SSMA and tried to run it. Step 1, Choose an Access database, worked fine. Step 2, Connect to SQL Server, failed. The message suggests that I ensure that SQL Server is configured to allow remote connections (provider: Named Pipes provider, error 40 - Could not open a connection to SQL Server)

I have SSMS open at the moment. The server name is (localhost) and it works fine. I'm using the same server name in SSMA but getting the error above.

I've forgotten how to check that remote connections are allowed. Can you (or someone else) remind me?

Thanks,
Arthur


On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> Thanks, Jim. I also recall a 3rd Party implementation from SSW 
> Software in Australia. Maybe I'll have a look there as well as Googling SSMA.
>
> Arthur
>
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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Mon Feb 17 18:10:27 2014
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 19:10:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2013 Field Name Capitaliaation
In-Reply-To: <000201cf2c2f$dca9e300$95fda900$@comcast.net>
References: <CAH+Met9LZ5J9MfBvPYCj57ivopS==ZVF13R5By_9NQBPqtg0Xg@mail.gmail.com>
	<000201cf2c2f$dca9e300$95fda900$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAteCCHrBSJVdnnmZMESfwyAJrL-+UTESC71+q_RchrDfQ@mail.gmail.com>

John C,
ROTFLMAO,

There's also stick your head in the gas oven for 15 minutes; drive
blindfolded on the interstate; ....


On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Dan Waters <df.waters at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi Charlotte,
>
> I do not use prefixes for field names in tables.  However, I do use them
> for
> table names and everything in the FE.  And, for any object in access which
> carries the value of a field, I use the prefix + the name of the field.
> Seems to work well - I can get into any older code and pretty quickly
> understand what I was doing back then (not to say I still agree -but that's
> a different story!).
>
> And - always turn off Name AutoCorrect in options for the Current Database.
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 3:57 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Access 2013 Field Name Capitaliaation
>
> I'm working on my current contract and decided to use lower case prefixes
> on
> field names (Access BE and FE) to indicate table or category of the value
> and insure unique field names.  For some reason, Access keeps
> recapitalizing
> the first character of the field names when I save, close, and reopen the
> table in design view!  Has anyone else run into this?  I just spent several
> hours lower casing prefixes only to discover after I ran a routine to
> extract the field names that they had been recapitalized!
>  I've fiddled with turning off Autocorrect, but that seems to do nothing
> positive for me.
>
> Any suggestions before I try shooting myself?
>
> Charlotte
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Mon Feb 17 18:37:12 2014
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 16:37:12 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2013 Field Name Capitaliaation
In-Reply-To: <53028A5F.3010607@gmail.com>
References: <CAH+Met9LZ5J9MfBvPYCj57ivopS==ZVF13R5By_9NQBPqtg0Xg@mail.gmail.com>
	<53028A5F.3010607@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met-QE607rLOywW4YEvs0PH7S7AnnvhQwEUOQqVvGH0C=Kg@mail.gmail.com>

Wise guy!  I'm like a bulldog, I get my teeth into something and won't let
go.  There must be some reason it saves some of the changes but not most of
them!  I don't usually name fields like this but on this project I have to
leave as many breadcrumbs and balls of string as possible for the
non-programmers who will maintain it.

Charlotte


On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 2:17 PM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> Give up and accept that Microsoft knows best?  Mail cat feces to everyone
> at Microsoft?  Follow Arthur to another database product entirely?  Take up
> Yoga and consider your navel?  Copious quantities of attitude enhancing
> drugs?
>
> All of those suggestions are better than shooting yourself.
>
> ;)
>
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
>
> On 2/17/2014 4:57 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>
>> I'm working on my current contract and decided to use lower case prefixes
>> on field names (Access BE and FE) to indicate table or category of the
>> value and insure unique field names.  For some reason, Access keeps
>> recapitalizing the first character of the field names when I save, close,
>> and reopen the table in design view!  Has anyone else run into this?  I
>> just spent several hours lower casing prefixes only to discover after I
>> ran
>> a routine to extract the field names that they had been recapitalized!
>>   I've fiddled with turning off Autocorrect, but that seems to do nothing
>> positive for me.
>>
>> Any suggestions before I try shooting myself?
>>
>> Charlotte
>>
>
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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Mon Feb 17 19:01:56 2014
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 20:01:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2013 Field Name Capitaliaation
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met-QE607rLOywW4YEvs0PH7S7AnnvhQwEUOQqVvGH0C=Kg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH+Met9LZ5J9MfBvPYCj57ivopS==ZVF13R5By_9NQBPqtg0Xg@mail.gmail.com>
	<53028A5F.3010607@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met-QE607rLOywW4YEvs0PH7S7AnnvhQwEUOQqVvGH0C=Kg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAtjc1fASc0+MSsGdDuDe+43esfi-G1RjT-GS9EwHXxPkA@mail.gmail.com>

Found this via Google (it's Office 2013 specific--includes Access)
I don't have 2013 so am unsure if it;s relevant.
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/excel-help/automatically-correct-capitalization-HA010354276.aspx


On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 7:37 PM, Charlotte Foust
<charlotte.foust at gmail.com>wrote:

> Wise guy!  I'm like a bulldog, I get my teeth into something and won't let
> go.  There must be some reason it saves some of the changes but not most of
> them!  I don't usually name fields like this but on this project I have to
> leave as many breadcrumbs and balls of string as possible for the
> non-programmers who will maintain it.
>
> Charlotte
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 2:17 PM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Give up and accept that Microsoft knows best?  Mail cat feces to everyone
> > at Microsoft?  Follow Arthur to another database product entirely?  Take
> up
> > Yoga and consider your navel?  Copious quantities of attitude enhancing
> > drugs?
> >
> > All of those suggestions are better than shooting yourself.
> >
> > ;)
> >
> > John W. Colby
> >
> > Reality is what refuses to go away
> > when you do not believe in it
> >
> >
> > On 2/17/2014 4:57 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> >
> >> I'm working on my current contract and decided to use lower case
> prefixes
> >> on field names (Access BE and FE) to indicate table or category of the
> >> value and insure unique field names.  For some reason, Access keeps
> >> recapitalizing the first character of the field names when I save,
> close,
> >> and reopen the table in design view!  Has anyone else run into this?  I
> >> just spent several hours lower casing prefixes only to discover after I
> >> ran
> >> a routine to extract the field names that they had been recapitalized!
> >>   I've fiddled with turning off Autocorrect, but that seems to do
> nothing
> >> positive for me.
> >>
> >> Any suggestions before I try shooting myself?
> >>
> >> Charlotte
> >>
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Mon Feb 17 19:15:16 2014
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 17:15:16 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2013 Field Name Capitaliaation
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAtjc1fASc0+MSsGdDuDe+43esfi-G1RjT-GS9EwHXxPkA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH+Met9LZ5J9MfBvPYCj57ivopS==ZVF13R5By_9NQBPqtg0Xg@mail.gmail.com>
	<53028A5F.3010607@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met-QE607rLOywW4YEvs0PH7S7AnnvhQwEUOQqVvGH0C=Kg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKvidAtjc1fASc0+MSsGdDuDe+43esfi-G1RjT-GS9EwHXxPkA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_tALA8r7z79RAMCuz577-K_Uy7KV36L4A9dPGCus7t5g@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Jack, but that's just the standard autocorrect in office.  I got a
lead from an MVP friend (Hans Voeglaar) who suggested that Access has a
table somewhere that stores names given to fields and doesn't overwrite
them unless the name changes in some way other than capitalization.  I
think he's right, because I discovered I can make another change to the
field name at the same time and the lowercase prefix will stick.

Charlotte


On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 5:01 PM, jack drawbridge <jackandpat.d at gmail.com>wrote:

> Found this via Google (it's Office 2013 specific--includes Access)
> I don't have 2013 so am unsure if it;s relevant.
>
> http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/excel-help/automatically-correct-capitalization-HA010354276.aspx
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 7:37 PM, Charlotte Foust
> <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Wise guy!  I'm like a bulldog, I get my teeth into something and won't
> let
> > go.  There must be some reason it saves some of the changes but not most
> of
> > them!  I don't usually name fields like this but on this project I have
> to
> > leave as many breadcrumbs and balls of string as possible for the
> > non-programmers who will maintain it.
> >
> > Charlotte
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 2:17 PM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Give up and accept that Microsoft knows best?  Mail cat feces to
> everyone
> > > at Microsoft?  Follow Arthur to another database product entirely?
>  Take
> > up
> > > Yoga and consider your navel?  Copious quantities of attitude enhancing
> > > drugs?
> > >
> > > All of those suggestions are better than shooting yourself.
> > >
> > > ;)
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > >
> > > Reality is what refuses to go away
> > > when you do not believe in it
> > >
> > >
> > > On 2/17/2014 4:57 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> > >
> > >> I'm working on my current contract and decided to use lower case
> > prefixes
> > >> on field names (Access BE and FE) to indicate table or category of the
> > >> value and insure unique field names.  For some reason, Access keeps
> > >> recapitalizing the first character of the field names when I save,
> > close,
> > >> and reopen the table in design view!  Has anyone else run into this?
>  I
> > >> just spent several hours lower casing prefixes only to discover after
> I
> > >> ran
> > >> a routine to extract the field names that they had been recapitalized!
> > >>   I've fiddled with turning off Autocorrect, but that seems to do
> > nothing
> > >> positive for me.
> > >>
> > >> Any suggestions before I try shooting myself?
> > >>
> > >> Charlotte
> > >>
> > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Mon Feb 17 19:36:20 2014
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 20:36:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2013 Field Name Capitaliaation
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met_tALA8r7z79RAMCuz577-K_Uy7KV36L4A9dPGCus7t5g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH+Met9LZ5J9MfBvPYCj57ivopS==ZVF13R5By_9NQBPqtg0Xg@mail.gmail.com>
	<53028A5F.3010607@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met-QE607rLOywW4YEvs0PH7S7AnnvhQwEUOQqVvGH0C=Kg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKvidAtjc1fASc0+MSsGdDuDe+43esfi-G1RjT-GS9EwHXxPkA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met_tALA8r7z79RAMCuz577-K_Uy7KV36L4A9dPGCus7t5g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAuneKjTZGxjkZmE+SvreLOzBHO74t7yKC6B5NiZXFPqqw@mail.gmail.com>

I don't have (nor have never seen 2013) but I've thrown out the question to
a group I participate in. I hope Hans is correct.  Good luck.

If I get anything, I'll post here.


On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Charlotte Foust
<charlotte.foust at gmail.com>wrote:

> Thanks Jack, but that's just the standard autocorrect in office.  I got a
> lead from an MVP friend (Hans Voeglaar) who suggested that Access has a
> table somewhere that stores names given to fields and doesn't overwrite
> them unless the name changes in some way other than capitalization.  I
> think he's right, because I discovered I can make another change to the
> field name at the same time and the lowercase prefix will stick.
>
> Charlotte
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 5:01 PM, jack drawbridge <jackandpat.d at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Found this via Google (it's Office 2013 specific--includes Access)
> > I don't have 2013 so am unsure if it;s relevant.
> >
> >
> http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/excel-help/automatically-correct-capitalization-HA010354276.aspx
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 7:37 PM, Charlotte Foust
> > <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> > > Wise guy!  I'm like a bulldog, I get my teeth into something and won't
> > let
> > > go.  There must be some reason it saves some of the changes but not
> most
> > of
> > > them!  I don't usually name fields like this but on this project I have
> > to
> > > leave as many breadcrumbs and balls of string as possible for the
> > > non-programmers who will maintain it.
> > >
> > > Charlotte
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 2:17 PM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Give up and accept that Microsoft knows best?  Mail cat feces to
> > everyone
> > > > at Microsoft?  Follow Arthur to another database product entirely?
> >  Take
> > > up
> > > > Yoga and consider your navel?  Copious quantities of attitude
> enhancing
> > > > drugs?
> > > >
> > > > All of those suggestions are better than shooting yourself.
> > > >
> > > > ;)
> > > >
> > > > John W. Colby
> > > >
> > > > Reality is what refuses to go away
> > > > when you do not believe in it
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 2/17/2014 4:57 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I'm working on my current contract and decided to use lower case
> > > prefixes
> > > >> on field names (Access BE and FE) to indicate table or category of
> the
> > > >> value and insure unique field names.  For some reason, Access keeps
> > > >> recapitalizing the first character of the field names when I save,
> > > close,
> > > >> and reopen the table in design view!  Has anyone else run into this?
> >  I
> > > >> just spent several hours lower casing prefixes only to discover
> after
> > I
> > > >> ran
> > > >> a routine to extract the field names that they had been
> recapitalized!
> > > >>   I've fiddled with turning off Autocorrect, but that seems to do
> > > nothing
> > > >> positive for me.
> > > >>
> > > >> Any suggestions before I try shooting myself?
> > > >>
> > > >> Charlotte
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Mon Feb 17 19:51:46 2014
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 17:51:46 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2013 Field Name Capitaliaation
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAuneKjTZGxjkZmE+SvreLOzBHO74t7yKC6B5NiZXFPqqw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH+Met9LZ5J9MfBvPYCj57ivopS==ZVF13R5By_9NQBPqtg0Xg@mail.gmail.com>
	<53028A5F.3010607@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met-QE607rLOywW4YEvs0PH7S7AnnvhQwEUOQqVvGH0C=Kg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKvidAtjc1fASc0+MSsGdDuDe+43esfi-G1RjT-GS9EwHXxPkA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met_tALA8r7z79RAMCuz577-K_Uy7KV36L4A9dPGCus7t5g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKvidAuneKjTZGxjkZmE+SvreLOzBHO74t7yKC6B5NiZXFPqqw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met8hwZNLF9qSFr=yEJLnyaDxy+JYUR5+QNCXEWTYeQj-6A@mail.gmail.com>

Well, so far it looks like Hans is right.  If I make some other change to
the field, not just capitalization, the changes save.

Charlotte


On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 5:36 PM, jack drawbridge <jackandpat.d at gmail.com>wrote:

> I don't have (nor have never seen 2013) but I've thrown out the question to
> a group I participate in. I hope Hans is correct.  Good luck.
>
> If I get anything, I'll post here.
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Charlotte Foust
> <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Thanks Jack, but that's just the standard autocorrect in office.  I got a
> > lead from an MVP friend (Hans Voeglaar) who suggested that Access has a
> > table somewhere that stores names given to fields and doesn't overwrite
> > them unless the name changes in some way other than capitalization.  I
> > think he's right, because I discovered I can make another change to the
> > field name at the same time and the lowercase prefix will stick.
> >
> > Charlotte
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 5:01 PM, jack drawbridge <jackandpat.d at gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Found this via Google (it's Office 2013 specific--includes Access)
> > > I don't have 2013 so am unsure if it;s relevant.
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/excel-help/automatically-correct-capitalization-HA010354276.aspx
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 7:37 PM, Charlotte Foust
> > > <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>wrote:
> > >
> > > > Wise guy!  I'm like a bulldog, I get my teeth into something and
> won't
> > > let
> > > > go.  There must be some reason it saves some of the changes but not
> > most
> > > of
> > > > them!  I don't usually name fields like this but on this project I
> have
> > > to
> > > > leave as many breadcrumbs and balls of string as possible for the
> > > > non-programmers who will maintain it.
> > > >
> > > > Charlotte
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 2:17 PM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Give up and accept that Microsoft knows best?  Mail cat feces to
> > > everyone
> > > > > at Microsoft?  Follow Arthur to another database product entirely?
> > >  Take
> > > > up
> > > > > Yoga and consider your navel?  Copious quantities of attitude
> > enhancing
> > > > > drugs?
> > > > >
> > > > > All of those suggestions are better than shooting yourself.
> > > > >
> > > > > ;)
> > > > >
> > > > > John W. Colby
> > > > >
> > > > > Reality is what refuses to go away
> > > > > when you do not believe in it
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 2/17/2014 4:57 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> I'm working on my current contract and decided to use lower case
> > > > prefixes
> > > > >> on field names (Access BE and FE) to indicate table or category of
> > the
> > > > >> value and insure unique field names.  For some reason, Access
> keeps
> > > > >> recapitalizing the first character of the field names when I save,
> > > > close,
> > > > >> and reopen the table in design view!  Has anyone else run into
> this?
> > >  I
> > > > >> just spent several hours lower casing prefixes only to discover
> > after
> > > I
> > > > >> ran
> > > > >> a routine to extract the field names that they had been
> > recapitalized!
> > > > >>   I've fiddled with turning off Autocorrect, but that seems to do
> > > > nothing
> > > > >> positive for me.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Any suggestions before I try shooting myself?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Charlotte
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > > --
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> > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> > > > >
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> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
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> > >
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> >
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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Mon Feb 17 19:59:03 2014
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 20:59:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2013 Field Name Capitaliaation
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met8hwZNLF9qSFr=yEJLnyaDxy+JYUR5+QNCXEWTYeQj-6A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH+Met9LZ5J9MfBvPYCj57ivopS==ZVF13R5By_9NQBPqtg0Xg@mail.gmail.com>
	<53028A5F.3010607@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met-QE607rLOywW4YEvs0PH7S7AnnvhQwEUOQqVvGH0C=Kg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKvidAtjc1fASc0+MSsGdDuDe+43esfi-G1RjT-GS9EwHXxPkA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met_tALA8r7z79RAMCuz577-K_Uy7KV36L4A9dPGCus7t5g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKvidAuneKjTZGxjkZmE+SvreLOzBHO74t7yKC6B5NiZXFPqqw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met8hwZNLF9qSFr=yEJLnyaDxy+JYUR5+QNCXEWTYeQj-6A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAtZEhRb-ruyxVwu8mcG45TfMtkcM0bCzAE=dPtVjVk-0g@mail.gmail.com>

Great. Now how does that explain your earlier recapitalization?
I guess I'm asking "What's different?"


On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Charlotte Foust
<charlotte.foust at gmail.com>wrote:

> Well, so far it looks like Hans is right.  If I make some other change to
> the field, not just capitalization, the changes save.
>
> Charlotte
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 5:36 PM, jack drawbridge <jackandpat.d at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > I don't have (nor have never seen 2013) but I've thrown out the question
> to
> > a group I participate in. I hope Hans is correct.  Good luck.
> >
> > If I get anything, I'll post here.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Charlotte Foust
> > <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks Jack, but that's just the standard autocorrect in office.  I
> got a
> > > lead from an MVP friend (Hans Voeglaar) who suggested that Access has a
> > > table somewhere that stores names given to fields and doesn't overwrite
> > > them unless the name changes in some way other than capitalization.  I
> > > think he's right, because I discovered I can make another change to the
> > > field name at the same time and the lowercase prefix will stick.
> > >
> > > Charlotte
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 5:01 PM, jack drawbridge <
> jackandpat.d at gmail.com
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > Found this via Google (it's Office 2013 specific--includes Access)
> > > > I don't have 2013 so am unsure if it;s relevant.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/excel-help/automatically-correct-capitalization-HA010354276.aspx
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 7:37 PM, Charlotte Foust
> > > > <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Wise guy!  I'm like a bulldog, I get my teeth into something and
> > won't
> > > > let
> > > > > go.  There must be some reason it saves some of the changes but not
> > > most
> > > > of
> > > > > them!  I don't usually name fields like this but on this project I
> > have
> > > > to
> > > > > leave as many breadcrumbs and balls of string as possible for the
> > > > > non-programmers who will maintain it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Charlotte
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 2:17 PM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Give up and accept that Microsoft knows best?  Mail cat feces to
> > > > everyone
> > > > > > at Microsoft?  Follow Arthur to another database product
> entirely?
> > > >  Take
> > > > > up
> > > > > > Yoga and consider your navel?  Copious quantities of attitude
> > > enhancing
> > > > > > drugs?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > All of those suggestions are better than shooting yourself.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ;)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John W. Colby
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Reality is what refuses to go away
> > > > > > when you do not believe in it
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 2/17/2014 4:57 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> I'm working on my current contract and decided to use lower case
> > > > > prefixes
> > > > > >> on field names (Access BE and FE) to indicate table or category
> of
> > > the
> > > > > >> value and insure unique field names.  For some reason, Access
> > keeps
> > > > > >> recapitalizing the first character of the field names when I
> save,
> > > > > close,
> > > > > >> and reopen the table in design view!  Has anyone else run into
> > this?
> > > >  I
> > > > > >> just spent several hours lower casing prefixes only to discover
> > > after
> > > > I
> > > > > >> ran
> > > > > >> a routine to extract the field names that they had been
> > > recapitalized!
> > > > > >>   I've fiddled with turning off Autocorrect, but that seems to
> do
> > > > > nothing
> > > > > >> positive for me.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Any suggestions before I try shooting myself?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Charlotte
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > >
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> > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
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From dbdoug at gmail.com  Mon Feb 17 21:39:46 2014
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 19:39:46 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Upsizing Wizard Missing
In-Reply-To: <6c8c7db42a4d428baad02149e324346e@HKXPR04MB184.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAEPJO1i9jFFB1NvVuqr6M5Jt0wgN18+iLMCAY==N3fr02L4JDw@mail.gmail.com>
	<422AA1D823454B2CABD9B6AB9096A985@XPS>
	<CAEPJO1iQu8NDC4TGq9au1QCkqL9jPNJimiY+42cLbWWxR4fvwA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1gnVcXbbAEjbeTw_7hSHGEWg=ptnoZ+T+Wu23+H5wrt4Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<6c8c7db42a4d428baad02149e324346e@HKXPR04MB184.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAFa8NkjocwwHpFaWW8G+zHK3_uoaGkk7u=y1dxo-raK-MTKENQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Darryl!  I had never noticed that.

Doug


On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Darryl Collins <
darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> Might be a bit OT here, but in A2010 the SQL Server migration tool is on
> the ribbon in the Access app and works well.  Indeed I only used it the
> other day to move the a few hundred tables from an Access database to SQL
> Server 2012 (Express).
>
> It is on the Ribbon under "Database Tools".  it straightforward to do.
>
> Regards
> Darryl.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Tuesday, 18 February 2014 9:45 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Upsizing Wizard Missing
>
> Jim,
>
> As suggested, I installed SSMA and tried to run it. Step 1, Choose an
> Access database, worked fine. Step 2, Connect to SQL Server, failed. The
> message suggests that I ensure that SQL Server is configured to allow
> remote connections (provider: Named Pipes provider, error 40 - Could not
> open a connection to SQL Server)
>
> I have SSMS open at the moment. The server name is (localhost) and it
> works fine. I'm using the same server name in SSMA but getting the error
> above.
>
> I've forgotten how to check that remote connections are allowed. Can you
> (or someone else) remind me?
>
> Thanks,
> Arthur
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Thanks, Jim. I also recall a 3rd Party implementation from SSW
> > Software in Australia. Maybe I'll have a look there as well as Googling
> SSMA.
> >
> > Arthur
> >
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Mon Feb 17 21:40:23 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 22:40:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2013 Field Name Capitaliaation
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAtZEhRb-ruyxVwu8mcG45TfMtkcM0bCzAE=dPtVjVk-0g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH+Met9LZ5J9MfBvPYCj57ivopS==ZVF13R5By_9NQBPqtg0Xg@mail.gmail.com>	<53028A5F.3010607@gmail.com>	<CAH+Met-QE607rLOywW4YEvs0PH7S7AnnvhQwEUOQqVvGH0C=Kg@mail.gmail.com>	<CAKvidAtjc1fASc0+MSsGdDuDe+43esfi-G1RjT-GS9EwHXxPkA@mail.gmail.com>	<CAH+Met_tALA8r7z79RAMCuz577-K_Uy7KV36L4A9dPGCus7t5g@mail.gmail.com>	<CAKvidAuneKjTZGxjkZmE+SvreLOzBHO74t7yKC6B5NiZXFPqqw@mail.gmail.com>	<CAH+Met8hwZNLF9qSFr=yEJLnyaDxy+JYUR5+QNCXEWTYeQj-6A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKvidAtZEhRb-ruyxVwu8mcG45TfMtkcM0bCzAE=dPtVjVk-0g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5302D627.3080001@gmail.com>

What she is saying is that simply changing the case from upper to lower is not considered a change, 
and so it isn't saved.  Add or subtract a character etc, AND change the case and voila, the ADDITION 
or SUBTRCTION is considered a change and so the change is stored, and along with it the 
capitalization modification.  I vaguely remember this from decades ago.

I prefer the cat feces trick myself.  It never solved anything but it feels so good.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/17/2014 8:59 PM, jack drawbridge wrote:
> Great. Now how does that explain your earlier recapitalization?
> I guess I'm asking "What's different?"
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Charlotte Foust
> <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Well, so far it looks like Hans is right.  If I make some other change to
>> the field, not just capitalization, the changes save.
>>
>> Charlotte
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 5:36 PM, jack drawbridge <jackandpat.d at gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>> I don't have (nor have never seen 2013) but I've thrown out the question
>> to
>>> a group I participate in. I hope Hans is correct.  Good luck.
>>>
>>> If I get anything, I'll post here.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Charlotte Foust
>>> <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Jack, but that's just the standard autocorrect in office.  I
>> got a
>>>> lead from an MVP friend (Hans Voeglaar) who suggested that Access has a
>>>> table somewhere that stores names given to fields and doesn't overwrite
>>>> them unless the name changes in some way other than capitalization.  I
>>>> think he's right, because I discovered I can make another change to the
>>>> field name at the same time and the lowercase prefix will stick.
>>>>
>>>> Charlotte
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 5:01 PM, jack drawbridge <
>> jackandpat.d at gmail.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Found this via Google (it's Office 2013 specific--includes Access)
>>>>> I don't have 2013 so am unsure if it;s relevant.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/excel-help/automatically-correct-capitalization-HA010354276.aspx
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 7:37 PM, Charlotte Foust
>>>>> <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Wise guy!  I'm like a bulldog, I get my teeth into something and
>>> won't
>>>>> let
>>>>>> go.  There must be some reason it saves some of the changes but not
>>>> most
>>>>> of
>>>>>> them!  I don't usually name fields like this but on this project I
>>> have
>>>>> to
>>>>>> leave as many breadcrumbs and balls of string as possible for the
>>>>>> non-programmers who will maintain it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Charlotte
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 2:17 PM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Give up and accept that Microsoft knows best?  Mail cat feces to
>>>>> everyone
>>>>>>> at Microsoft?  Follow Arthur to another database product
>> entirely?
>>>>>   Take
>>>>>> up
>>>>>>> Yoga and consider your navel?  Copious quantities of attitude
>>>> enhancing
>>>>>>> drugs?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All of those suggestions are better than shooting yourself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ;)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>>>>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/17/2014 4:57 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm working on my current contract and decided to use lower case
>>>>>> prefixes
>>>>>>>> on field names (Access BE and FE) to indicate table or category
>> of
>>>> the
>>>>>>>> value and insure unique field names.  For some reason, Access
>>> keeps
>>>>>>>> recapitalizing the first character of the field names when I
>> save,
>>>>>> close,
>>>>>>>> and reopen the table in design view!  Has anyone else run into
>>> this?
>>>>>   I
>>>>>>>> just spent several hours lower casing prefixes only to discover
>>>> after
>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> ran
>>>>>>>> a routine to extract the field names that they had been
>>>> recapitalized!
>>>>>>>>    I've fiddled with turning off Autocorrect, but that seems to
>> do
>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>>>> positive for me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any suggestions before I try shooting myself?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Charlotte
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
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>>>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
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>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>
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>>


From darren at activebilling.com.au  Tue Feb 18 00:15:31 2014
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 17:15:31 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] open a video file...
In-Reply-To: <00D2D2FFC0E44C71AA67DE1B701AA716@kost36>
References: <E19FE6222AB643C78F4DB69665D33B9F@kost36>	<5301F9A0.14609.495F16EB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<00D2D2FFC0E44C71AA67DE1B701AA716@kost36>
Message-ID: <075001cf2c70$d5401620$7fc04260$@activebilling.com.au>

Sample sent offlist that plays vids inside a Windows Media Player ActiveX control, embedded into the form.

Darren
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kostas Konstantinidis
Sent: Monday, 17 February 2014 11:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] open a video file...

Stuart,
thank's a lot, it works perfect

/kostas

-----?????? ??????-----
From: Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 1:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] open a video file...

Try this:

'' Use double quote to delimit wmplayer path containing a space.
DIm dq as string
dq = chr$(34)

'Get the file name
fname =  Dir$("F:\Trailers\" & Me.FilmID & ".*")

if fname = "" then
  `appears a message for file not found
else
  Shell dq & _
       "C:\Program Files (x86)\Windows Media Player\wmplayer.exe" &  _
       dq  & _
      " F:\Trailers\" & fname, vbNormalFocus end if


--
Stuart

On 14 Feb 2014 at 19:44, Kostas Konstantinidis wrote:

> hi,
> In a form I use the follown code:
>
> Private Sub FilmID_DblClick(Cancel As Integer) Dim fname, x As String 
> fname = "F:\Trailers\" & Me.FilmID & "*"  <- I don?t know if its the 
> correct syntax x = IIf(InStrRev([fname], ".") > 0, Mid([fname], 
> InStrRev([fname], ".") + 1), "") if fname = "" then `appears a message 
> for file not found else Shell "C:\Program Files (x86)\Windows Media 
> Player\wmplayer.exe F:\Trailers\fname", vbNormalFocus End Sub
>
> Every stored file into F:\ Trailers is titled with the same FilmID as 
> filename (e.g FilmId = 3070 filename = 3070.mp4) but the extensions 
> may be different while some files are saved as .mp4 some as .avi and 
> some others as .flv etc rtc... When Shell() calls wmplayer, it opens 
> but it can't play the file because obviously it can't find it...
>
> Thank you for any help
>
> /kostas
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Feb 18 07:58:16 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 08:58:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Upsizing Wizard Missing
In-Reply-To: <CAFa8NkjocwwHpFaWW8G+zHK3_uoaGkk7u=y1dxo-raK-MTKENQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1i9jFFB1NvVuqr6M5Jt0wgN18+iLMCAY==N3fr02L4JDw@mail.gmail.com>
	<422AA1D823454B2CABD9B6AB9096A985@XPS>
	<CAEPJO1iQu8NDC4TGq9au1QCkqL9jPNJimiY+42cLbWWxR4fvwA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1gnVcXbbAEjbeTw_7hSHGEWg=ptnoZ+T+Wu23+H5wrt4Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<6c8c7db42a4d428baad02149e324346e@HKXPR04MB184.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAFa8NkjocwwHpFaWW8G+zHK3_uoaGkk7u=y1dxo-raK-MTKENQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1j6dJWh=CHOx3c1M_fdBZRw1UMLosEvMp0J9gVPA+yk5Q@mail.gmail.com>

SSMA didn't work for me, and I'm not entirely sure why; perhaps because I'm
upsizing to SQL 2012. However, I suddenly remembered a company called
BullZip (http://www.bullzip.com) has some equivalent tools, so I went there
and in fact grabbed two: Access to MS-SQL and Access to MySQL They are both
free, but contributions via PayPal are gratefully accepted.

Within a minute or so I had ported my Access accdb file to both SQL 2012
and MySQL 5.5.

BullZip has similar tools to migrate to Oracle and PostGres. I heartily
recommend these tools to anyone looking to upsize, in any of these
directions.

Arthur


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Feb 18 11:05:52 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 10:05:52 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Upsizing Wizard Missing
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1j6dJWh=CHOx3c1M_fdBZRw1UMLosEvMp0J9gVPA+yk5Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <693792514.13329775.1392743152090.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Arthur:

Thanks for the links...that site has a number of other very interesting applications as well.

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 5:58:16 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Upsizing Wizard Missing

SSMA didn't work for me, and I'm not entirely sure why; perhaps because I'm
upsizing to SQL 2012. However, I suddenly remembered a company called
BullZip (http://www.bullzip.com) has some equivalent tools, so I went there
and in fact grabbed two: Access to MS-SQL and Access to MySQL They are both
free, but contributions via PayPal are gratefully accepted.

Within a minute or so I had ported my Access accdb file to both SQL 2012
and MySQL 5.5.

BullZip has similar tools to migrate to Oracle and PostGres. I heartily
recommend these tools to anyone looking to upsize, in any of these
directions.

Arthur

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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Feb 18 14:05:37 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 15:05:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How StackOverflow Scales with SQL Server (Video) | Brent
 Ozar UnlimitedBrent Ozar Unlimited
Message-ID: <5303BD11.20705@gmail.com>

http://www.brentozar.com/archive/2011/11/how-stackoverflow-scales-sql-server-video/

-- 
John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Feb 18 14:47:31 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 15:47:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How StackOverflow Scales with SQL Server (Video) |
 Brent Ozar UnlimitedBrent Ozar Unlimited
In-Reply-To: <5303BD11.20705@gmail.com>
References: <5303BD11.20705@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5303C6E3.1060404@gmail.com>

This was a very interesting video.  My favorite was "Newegg you way out of problems" (or 
thereabouts). That was my exact strategy when I built a server.  96 GB RAM, a terabyte SSD raid 6 to 
hold my core databases, and tons of cores (SQL Server 2008).  Then data compression to maximize the 
data in memory and minimize the IO.  Keep those cores busy.

That said I just created a new index on each database (compressed of course) specifically aimed at 
my "Everything by Everything"count process, which dropped the  count time from a day per hash down 
to about an hour / hash.

Anyway, take the time to watch the video.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/18/2014 3:05 PM, John W Colby wrote:
> http://www.brentozar.com/archive/2011/11/how-stackoverflow-scales-sql-server-video/
>


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Feb 18 16:04:41 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 15:04:41 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] How StackOverflow Scales with SQL Server (Video) |
 Brent Ozar UnlimitedBrent Ozar Unlimited
In-Reply-To: <5303BD11.20705@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <436094265.13675009.1392761081389.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi John:

That video article was simply great and brilliant. (I watched during lunch).

Thanks so much for sharing...the good thing is to see how the mixing and matching of products being proprietary and open source is the way to go as no one has all the answers. IMHO, product purists are idiot and are not serving their client's or themselves well.

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "John W Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 12:05:37 PM
Subject: [AccessD] How StackOverflow Scales with SQL Server (Video) | Brent Ozar UnlimitedBrent Ozar Unlimited

http://www.brentozar.com/archive/2011/11/how-stackoverflow-scales-sql-server-video/

-- 
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when you do not believe in it

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From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Feb 18 20:57:56 2014
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 21:57:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How StackOverflow Scales with SQL Server (Video) |
 Brent Ozar UnlimitedBrent Ozar Unlimited
In-Reply-To: <5303C6E3.1060404@gmail.com>
References: <5303BD11.20705@gmail.com> <5303C6E3.1060404@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003801cf2d1e$64444be0$2ccce3a0$@net>

This is practically the same strategy that Oracle took....which I am working
with right now.
It's called Exalytics.


> This was a very interesting video.  My favorite was "Newegg you way out
> of problems" (or
> thereabouts). That was my exact strategy when I built a server.  96 GB
> RAM, a terabyte SSD raid 6 to
> hold my core databases, and tons of cores (SQL Server 2008).  Then data
> compression to maximize the
> data in memory and minimize the IO.  Keep those cores busy.
>
> That said I just created a new index on each database (compressed of
> course) specifically aimed at
> my "Everything by Everything"count process, which dropped the  count
> time from a day per hash down
> to about an hour / hash.
>
> Anyway, take the time to watch the video.
>
> John W. Colby



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Feb 19 02:19:49 2014
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 18:19:49 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Upsizing Wizard Missing
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1j6dJWh=CHOx3c1M_fdBZRw1UMLosEvMp0J9gVPA+yk5Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1i9jFFB1NvVuqr6M5Jt0wgN18+iLMCAY==N3fr02L4JDw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAFa8NkjocwwHpFaWW8G+zHK3_uoaGkk7u=y1dxo-raK-MTKENQ@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAEPJO1j6dJWh=CHOx3c1M_fdBZRw1UMLosEvMp0J9gVPA+yk5Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53046925.27582.52E2B609@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Very timely.  I have to move a failry complex Access structure to MySQL in the next few days.

Thanks.

On 18 Feb 2014 at 8:58, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> SSMA didn't work for me, and I'm not entirely sure why; perhaps
> because I'm upsizing to SQL 2012. However, I suddenly remembered a
> company called BullZip (http://www.bullzip.com) has some equivalent
> tools, so I went there and in fact grabbed two: Access to MS-SQL and
> Access to MySQL They are both free, but contributions via PayPal are
> gratefully accepted.
> 
> Within a minute or so I had ported my Access accdb file to both SQL
> 2012 and MySQL 5.5.
> 
> BullZip has similar tools to migrate to Oracle and PostGres. I
> heartily recommend these tools to anyone looking to upsize, in any of
> these directions.
> 
> Arthur
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Feb 19 03:46:41 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 09:46:41 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] How StackOverflow Scales with SQL Server (Video) |
 Brent Ozar UnlimitedBrent Ozar Unlimited
Message-ID: <b815b7e83e3348c782df21ba5f960902@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi John

Thanks. Proves that you often should think out of the box.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John W Colby
Sendt: 18. februar 2014 21:48
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] How StackOverflow Scales with SQL Server (Video) | Brent Ozar UnlimitedBrent Ozar Unlimited

This was a very interesting video.  My favorite was "Newegg you way out of problems" (or thereabouts). That was my exact strategy when I built a server.  96 GB RAM, a terabyte SSD raid 6 to hold my core databases, and tons of cores (SQL Server 2008).  Then data compression to maximize the data in memory and minimize the IO.  Keep those cores busy.

That said I just created a new index on each database (compressed of course) specifically aimed at my "Everything by Everything"count process, which dropped the  count time from a day per hash down to about an hour / hash.

Anyway, take the time to watch the video.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/18/2014 3:05 PM, John W Colby wrote:
> http://www.brentozar.com/archive/2011/11/how-stackoverflow-scales-sql-server-video/


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Feb 19 06:41:07 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 07:41:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Upsizing Wizard Missing
In-Reply-To: <53046925.27582.52E2B609@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CAEPJO1i9jFFB1NvVuqr6M5Jt0wgN18+iLMCAY==N3fr02L4JDw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFa8NkjocwwHpFaWW8G+zHK3_uoaGkk7u=y1dxo-raK-MTKENQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1j6dJWh=CHOx3c1M_fdBZRw1UMLosEvMp0J9gVPA+yk5Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<53046925.27582.52E2B609@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gA5AK_6tKWoQXqqzw2tHAzk6rjJv7bu5aXGEZNCoVG_A@mail.gmail.com>

Happy to help, Jim and Stuart.

Arthur


On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 3:19 AM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> Very timely.  I have to move a failry complex Access structure to MySQL in
> the next few days.
>
> Thanks.
>

From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Feb 19 06:48:11 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 07:48:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How StackOverflow Scales with SQL Server (Video) |
 Brent Ozar UnlimitedBrent Ozar Unlimited
In-Reply-To: <b815b7e83e3348c782df21ba5f960902@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <b815b7e83e3348c782df21ba5f960902@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <5304A80B.7050501@gmail.com>

It is amazing the performance they got "per server".  Also the live update of the statistics as 
things happen behind the scenes.  Just a fascinating video.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/19/2014 4:46 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi John
>
> Thanks. Proves that you often should think out of the box.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John W Colby
> Sendt: 18. februar 2014 21:48
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] How StackOverflow Scales with SQL Server (Video) | Brent Ozar UnlimitedBrent Ozar Unlimited
>
> This was a very interesting video.  My favorite was "Newegg you way out of problems" (or thereabouts). That was my exact strategy when I built a server.  96 GB RAM, a terabyte SSD raid 6 to hold my core databases, and tons of cores (SQL Server 2008).  Then data compression to maximize the data in memory and minimize the IO.  Keep those cores busy.
>
> That said I just created a new index on each database (compressed of course) specifically aimed at my "Everything by Everything"count process, which dropped the  count time from a day per hash down to about an hour / hash.
>
> Anyway, take the time to watch the video.
>
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 2/18/2014 3:05 PM, John W Colby wrote:
>> http://www.brentozar.com/archive/2011/11/how-stackoverflow-scales-sql-server-video/


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Feb 19 07:03:47 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 08:03:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Upsizing Wizard Missing
In-Reply-To: <53046925.27582.52E2B609@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CAEPJO1i9jFFB1NvVuqr6M5Jt0wgN18+iLMCAY==N3fr02L4JDw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAFa8NkjocwwHpFaWW8G+zHK3_uoaGkk7u=y1dxo-raK-MTKENQ@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAEPJO1j6dJWh=CHOx3c1M_fdBZRw1UMLosEvMp0J9gVPA+yk5Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<53046925.27582.52E2B609@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <5304ABB3.3000309@gmail.com>

I would like to move my apps from SQL Server to MariaDb.  The costs of licenses going forward make 
SQL Server 12 untenable for my clients.

http://www.zdnet.com/google-quietly-dumps-oracle-mysql-for-mariadb-7000020670/

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/19/2014 3:19 AM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> Very timely.  I have to move a failry complex Access structure to MySQL in the next few days.
>
> Thanks.
>
> On 18 Feb 2014 at 8:58, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>
>> SSMA didn't work for me, and I'm not entirely sure why; perhaps
>> because I'm upsizing to SQL 2012. However, I suddenly remembered a
>> company called BullZip (http://www.bullzip.com) has some equivalent
>> tools, so I went there and in fact grabbed two: Access to MS-SQL and
>> Access to MySQL They are both free, but contributions via PayPal are
>> gratefully accepted.
>>
>> Within a minute or so I had ported my Access accdb file to both SQL
>> 2012 and MySQL 5.5.
>>
>> BullZip has similar tools to migrate to Oracle and PostGres. I
>> heartily recommend these tools to anyone looking to upsize, in any of
>> these directions.
>>
>> Arthur
>>
>> -- 
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Feb 19 08:55:25 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 09:55:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Upsizing Wizard Missing
In-Reply-To: <5304ABB3.3000309@gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1i9jFFB1NvVuqr6M5Jt0wgN18+iLMCAY==N3fr02L4JDw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFa8NkjocwwHpFaWW8G+zHK3_uoaGkk7u=y1dxo-raK-MTKENQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1j6dJWh=CHOx3c1M_fdBZRw1UMLosEvMp0J9gVPA+yk5Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<53046925.27582.52E2B609@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<5304ABB3.3000309@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jcMENzD+L51Ys+DkQx3neZ2krbBLs7HnHBhtuq4p+Tgg@mail.gmail.com>

John,

There's nothing to it. Maria is a drop-in replacement for MySQL... with
several new features not yet implemented in MySQL. Initially I thought that
Maria would trail MySQL in terms of features, but not so. It's Oracle/MySQL
that's playying catch-up.

Even if you opt for the paid support version, you still save a lot of money
compared with the SQL 2012 implementation.

I haven't begun it yet, but I plan to add a new chapter on Maria to our
MySQL book and web site.

Arthur

On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 8:03 AM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> I would like to move my apps from SQL Server to MariaDb.  The costs of
> licenses going forward make SQL Server 12 untenable for my clients.

From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Feb 19 10:13:21 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 11:13:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Upsizing Wizard Missing
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jcMENzD+L51Ys+DkQx3neZ2krbBLs7HnHBhtuq4p+Tgg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1i9jFFB1NvVuqr6M5Jt0wgN18+iLMCAY==N3fr02L4JDw@mail.gmail.com>	<CAFa8NkjocwwHpFaWW8G+zHK3_uoaGkk7u=y1dxo-raK-MTKENQ@mail.gmail.com>	<CAEPJO1j6dJWh=CHOx3c1M_fdBZRw1UMLosEvMp0J9gVPA+yk5Q@mail.gmail.com>	<53046925.27582.52E2B609@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<5304ABB3.3000309@gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1jcMENzD+L51Ys+DkQx3neZ2krbBLs7HnHBhtuq4p+Tgg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5304D821.6020605@gmail.com>

Well... we shall see.  I have a custom written major application which talks to SQL Server.  It uses 
BCP to export data out of SQL Server to files, and then uses BCP to import files back in to SQL 
Server.  So I will have to replace that with whatever the MySQL equivalent is.  I have to export 
databases containing hundreds of millions of records (and hundreds of gigabytes)  into matching 
tables in MySQL.  I have to build indexes.   I have to research whether MySQL has compression, which 
I am using on my data to get it all to fit into memory.  I have to build views matching the views I 
use in SQL Server.  I have stored procedures that perform tasks for me.

It sounds like a major undertaking to me.  If I succeed then I will have a major tool in my belt.

Luckily the various databases look pretty similar so that once I figure out how to do it on one, the 
next 10 will be easier.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/19/2014 9:55 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> John,
>
> There's nothing to it. Maria is a drop-in replacement for MySQL... with
> several new features not yet implemented in MySQL. Initially I thought that
> Maria would trail MySQL in terms of features, but not so. It's Oracle/MySQL
> that's playying catch-up.
>
> Even if you opt for the paid support version, you still save a lot of money
> compared with the SQL 2012 implementation.
>
> I haven't begun it yet, but I plan to add a new chapter on Maria to our
> MySQL book and web site.
>
> Arthur
>
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 8:03 AM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I would like to move my apps from SQL Server to MariaDb.  The costs of
>> licenses going forward make SQL Server 12 untenable for my clients.


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Feb 19 10:48:25 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 11:48:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Upsizing Wizard Missing
In-Reply-To: <5304D821.6020605@gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1i9jFFB1NvVuqr6M5Jt0wgN18+iLMCAY==N3fr02L4JDw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFa8NkjocwwHpFaWW8G+zHK3_uoaGkk7u=y1dxo-raK-MTKENQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1j6dJWh=CHOx3c1M_fdBZRw1UMLosEvMp0J9gVPA+yk5Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<53046925.27582.52E2B609@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<5304ABB3.3000309@gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1jcMENzD+L51Ys+DkQx3neZ2krbBLs7HnHBhtuq4p+Tgg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5304D821.6020605@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jW2CiE9u1QTTfHnv7-Yp=RLG-Q-HKV0Th-nTeH7JSg8w@mail.gmail.com>

John,

To be sure, you're undertaking a significant bit of work in your transition
to Maria, now that you've included sprocs and views (actually, the views
ought to be simple, but the sprocs may need some work, due to slight syntax
differences).

As for compression, Maria does it differently but your FE should not
experience differences nor require changes, methinks.

Anyway, you've got cojones, so go for it (in parallel) until you're
satisfied with the transition.

Best of luck, and break a leg.


On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 11:13 AM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> Well... we shall see.  I have a custom written major application which
> talks to SQL Server.  It uses BCP to export data out of SQL Server to
> files, and then uses BCP to import files back in to SQL Server.  So I will
> have to replace that with whatever the MySQL equivalent is.  I have to
> export databases containing hundreds of millions of records (and hundreds
> of gigabytes)  into matching tables in MySQL.  I have to build indexes.   I
> have to research whether MySQL has compression, which I am using on my data
> to get it all to fit into memory.  I have to build views matching the views
> I use in SQL Server.  I have stored procedures that perform tasks for me.
>
> It sounds like a major undertaking to me.  If I succeed then I will have a
> major tool in my belt.
>

From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Feb 19 14:16:14 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 12:16:14 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Conversion tools to mysql
Message-ID: <CAA_iUE_hvDMSqcxu9EA0_Ks2ZBUmEWGV5tUOQ1gBy-d0endLKA@mail.gmail.com>

Can anyone personally recommend conversion tools for moving entire sequel
Server databases to MySQL.

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Feb 19 14:31:54 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 15:31:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Conversion tools to mysql
In-Reply-To: <CAA_iUE_hvDMSqcxu9EA0_Ks2ZBUmEWGV5tUOQ1gBy-d0endLKA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA_iUE_hvDMSqcxu9EA0_Ks2ZBUmEWGV5tUOQ1gBy-d0endLKA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jqdeK9fgZ8z=1SKAKh+ys4+E7y-4komP=4JkUR2ZXLtw@mail.gmail.com>

JC,

As I wrote in a previous message, moving the data is trivial, but moving
the sprocs is more complex due to differences in syntax. In general, the
MySQL and MariaDb syntax most closely resembles Oracle syntax. A trivial
example is the CREATE PROCEDURE syntax. In MS-SQL, you have to anticipate
the existence of said sproc X using an IF EXISTS block. This is not
required in MySQL or MariaDb. Instead you check its existence in the first
statement, either creating it or updating it.

Beyond the trivia, there are many other differences. My and Maria do not
support table variables (which lack has caused me problems; I should have
known better than to invest in vendor-specific code).

That said, the basics remain the same. IN() works as expected in all
implementations, as does JOIN (although there are syntactic variations, but
they are easily found and corrected).

I'm sick with envy for your 96GB hardware, not that I have any clients with
a need for it, but nonetheless, wow. I feel so inadequate with a mere 8GB
on my laptop.

As to your immediate question (SQL Server to MySQL) I suggest a look at the
Import/Export Wizard, which can be accessed in several ways (SSMS,
Start/SQL Server/Data Tools/Import|Export, and one other which currently
slips my mind).

Arthur


On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 3:16 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> Can anyone personally recommend conversion tools for moving entire sequel
> Server databases to MySQL.
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Feb 19 17:23:12 2014
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 15:23:12 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Converting to accdb-->accde
Message-ID: <C57F151C104749F9B012CE070BF87F64@HAL9007>

Dear List:
 
I opened a 2003 mdb in A2013 and saved it as an accdb (it said 2007 format).
 
Runs fine.  Now I want to compile to an accde for distribution but can't
find the right place to do it.  The database tools ribbon doesn't have the
'make mde' button.
 
How do I compile this bad boy?
 
TIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
 

From dw-murphy at cox.net  Wed Feb 19 18:10:48 2014
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 16:10:48 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Converting to accdb-->accde
In-Reply-To: <UPQY1n0060xgD8Z01PQZ2r>
References: <UPQY1n0060xgD8Z01PQZ2r>
Message-ID: <011d01cf2dd0$358c5330$a0a4f990$@cox.net>

File/Save & Publish/Database File Types

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 3:23 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Converting to accdb-->accde

Dear List:
 
I opened a 2003 mdb in A2013 and saved it as an accdb (it said 2007 format).
 
Runs fine.  Now I want to compile to an accde for distribution but can't
find the right place to do it.  The database tools ribbon doesn't have the
'make mde' button.
 
How do I compile this bad boy?
 
TIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
 
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Feb 19 20:38:21 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 21:38:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Conversion tools to mysql
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	<CAEPJO1jqdeK9fgZ8z=1SKAKh+ys4+E7y-4komP=4JkUR2ZXLtw@mail.gmail.com>
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Arthur,

 >I'm sick with envy for your 96GB hardware, not that I have any clients with a need for it, but 
nonetheless, wow.

I didn't just go buy that though. I started in late 2004 with a hand built server; dual core AMD, 4 
gigs of RAM, x32 windows, x32 SQL Server, and a single database, the infamous "database from hell".  
It started as only a single table, but 65 million records, 640 fields, FIXED WIDTH.  I knew NOTHING 
about SQL Server, had never touched it.  Many on the SQL Server list suffered through my railing 
about the shitty (non-existent) debug of SSMS.  Tons of RTFM answers.  Tons more truly helpful answers.

But I kept upgrading my hardware and perhaps 3 or 4 years ago I finally upgraded to a dual processor 
(AMD) motherboard.  I could only afford a single 8 core processor so I populated 1/2 half of the 
board, with 32 gigs (using 8gb sticks, registered, ECC.  THAT was the start of a SMOKIN (to me) SQL 
Server.  Awhile later I bought another processor (8 more cores) and pulled 1/2 of the existing 
memory to give to that new processor.  32 GB with 16 cores.  Then I bought 32 gigs at a time twice 
more to push it up to 96 gigs total.  As an aside I am debating whether to go back out and start 
buying 16 gig sticks to aim for 256 gigs, or just go max out the system with another 32 gigs of 8 
gig sticks (for 128 gigs).

It was about this time that I discovered SQL Server compression and went about compressing 
everything.  So while I do now have 96 gigs of RAM, I also can load about 128 gigs of data into that 
96 gigs.  SQL Server loads compressed data into memory, keeping it compressed in memory, and 
decompressing it on-the-fly.  Keep those cores busy!!!

I am literally (in many cases) running most or all of my database(s) in ram.  Or so I believe.

I can tell you that this iteration of the server finally gave me the horsepower I actually required 
to get "near real-time" processing when joining 4 tables (vews) with 1/4 of a billion records total 
and get results back within tens of minutes instead of days.

I have one particular database with two tables, each of which has 225 million records and are joined 
on a "shared" PK, i.e. they are more or less 1-1.  I will then join those two to a similar set of 
two tables from another database (108 million records in each table) with filters on both 
recordsets, pulling counts of matches on 200 bit binary hash fields.  And I get these counts in 
anywhere from 5 to 30 minutes.  That is what my client needs and that takes some serious (to me) 
horsepower.  I also BTW keep these databases on a terabyte SSD raid 6 array, to ensure that when I 
do have to go to disk, it happens quickly.  As you might imagine, just loading up 96 gigs of RAM as 
you start processing something can take awhile.

The moral of the story is that it has been a constant evolution, of hardware, software and knowledge 
to get me where I am today.  I am understandably uneasy about diving into moving the database engine 
to MySQL when I have spent 9 years learning what little I know about SQL Server.  If MS hadn't 
broken their promise about never charging a per core license, I would never have considered this.  
But with 16 cores, I can never afford SQL Server 2012.  And SQL Server 2008 is reaching the end of 
support.

But that is life in the fast lane eh?

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/19/2014 3:31 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> JC,
>
> As I wrote in a previous message, moving the data is trivial, but moving
> the sprocs is more complex due to differences in syntax. In general, the
> MySQL and MariaDb syntax most closely resembles Oracle syntax. A trivial
> example is the CREATE PROCEDURE syntax. In MS-SQL, you have to anticipate
> the existence of said sproc X using an IF EXISTS block. This is not
> required in MySQL or MariaDb. Instead you check its existence in the first
> statement, either creating it or updating it.
>
> Beyond the trivia, there are many other differences. My and Maria do not
> support table variables (which lack has caused me problems; I should have
> known better than to invest in vendor-specific code).
>
> That said, the basics remain the same. IN() works as expected in all
> implementations, as does JOIN (although there are syntactic variations, but
> they are easily found and corrected).
>
> I'm sick with envy for your 96GB hardware, not that I have any clients with
> a need for it, but nonetheless, wow. I feel so inadequate with a mere 8GB
> on my laptop.
>
> As to your immediate question (SQL Server to MySQL) I suggest a look at the
> Import/Export Wizard, which can be accessed in several ways (SSMS,
> Start/SQL Server/Data Tools/Import|Export, and one other which currently
> slips my mind).
>
> Arthur
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 3:16 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Can anyone personally recommend conversion tools for moving entire sequel
>> Server databases to MySQL.
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>


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Feb 19 21:15:02 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 22:15:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Conversion tools to mysql
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jqdeK9fgZ8z=1SKAKh+ys4+E7y-4komP=4JkUR2ZXLtw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA_iUE_hvDMSqcxu9EA0_Ks2ZBUmEWGV5tUOQ1gBy-d0endLKA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1jqdeK9fgZ8z=1SKAKh+ys4+E7y-4komP=4JkUR2ZXLtw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53057336.2090905@gmail.com>

I just went looking and the SSMS Import/Export wizard has no obvious export to MySQL databases.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/19/2014 3:31 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> JC,
>
> As I wrote in a previous message, moving the data is trivial, but moving
> the sprocs is more complex due to differences in syntax. In general, the
> MySQL and MariaDb syntax most closely resembles Oracle syntax. A trivial
> example is the CREATE PROCEDURE syntax. In MS-SQL, you have to anticipate
> the existence of said sproc X using an IF EXISTS block. This is not
> required in MySQL or MariaDb. Instead you check its existence in the first
> statement, either creating it or updating it.
>
> Beyond the trivia, there are many other differences. My and Maria do not
> support table variables (which lack has caused me problems; I should have
> known better than to invest in vendor-specific code).
>
> That said, the basics remain the same. IN() works as expected in all
> implementations, as does JOIN (although there are syntactic variations, but
> they are easily found and corrected).
>
> I'm sick with envy for your 96GB hardware, not that I have any clients with
> a need for it, but nonetheless, wow. I feel so inadequate with a mere 8GB
> on my laptop.
>
> As to your immediate question (SQL Server to MySQL) I suggest a look at the
> Import/Export Wizard, which can be accessed in several ways (SSMS,
> Start/SQL Server/Data Tools/Import|Export, and one other which currently
> slips my mind).
>
> Arthur
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 3:16 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Can anyone personally recommend conversion tools for moving entire sequel
>> Server databases to MySQL.
>> --
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>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Feb 20 14:02:22 2014
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 12:02:22 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Converting to accdb-->accde
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References: <UPQY1n0060xgD8Z01PQZ2r> <011d01cf2dd0$358c5330$a0a4f990$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <7909876B9BD640DA8D91A64AD4582722@HAL9007>

Doug:

Got it.  Thanks

Rocky
 

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Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 4:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Converting to accdb-->accde

File/Save & Publish/Database File Types

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 3:23 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Converting to accdb-->accde

Dear List:
 
I opened a 2003 mdb in A2013 and saved it as an accdb (it said 2007 format).
 
Runs fine.  Now I want to compile to an accde for distribution but can't
find the right place to do it.  The database tools ribbon doesn't have the
'make mde' button.
 
How do I compile this bad boy?
 
TIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Feb 21 06:19:31 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 12:19:31 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Order of main tabs
Message-ID: <f50a78feaf9249f4b22a704048c2f3c0@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi all

In Access 2007+ you can have non-resizable forms, reports, etc. with a tab.

How do you control the order of these? Say you open form one, two, and three. These will be in sequence.
The close form two and reopen it. Now the sequence of tabs is: one, three, two.

I can then set form three.Visible = False and then to True. Now the sequence is: one, two, three.

Is there a smarter way to control the tab sequence?

/gustav


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Feb 21 08:59:40 2014
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 06:59:40 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Order of main tabs
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I don't know of any way to control the sequence.  The tabs are just to show
you what is open, so they are in the order the object was "opened".

Charlotte


On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 4:19 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi all
>
> In Access 2007+ you can have non-resizable forms, reports, etc. with a tab.
>
> How do you control the order of these? Say you open form one, two, and
> three. These will be in sequence.
> The close form two and reopen it. Now the sequence of tabs is: one, three,
> two.
>
> I can then set form three.Visible = False and then to True. Now the
> sequence is: one, two, three.
>
> Is there a smarter way to control the tab sequence?
>
> /gustav
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Feb 21 16:38:07 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 22:38:07 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Order of main tabs
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met8nVcnk5bTWWEgGdTpN9pioFrB51mjyJDY0SqoKh7Ly9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f50a78feaf9249f4b22a704048c2f3c0@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<CAH+Met8nVcnk5bTWWEgGdTpN9pioFrB51mjyJDY0SqoKh7Ly9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <96fb09d8c8064ab29d537397a9b0ded8@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Charlotte

So, I can see, that was a good question.

/gustav
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Sendt: 21. februar 2014 15:59
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Order of main tabs

I don't know of any way to control the sequence.  The tabs are just to show
you what is open, so they are in the order the object was "opened".

Charlotte


On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 4:19 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi all
>
> In Access 2007+ you can have non-resizable forms, reports, etc. with a tab.
>
> How do you control the order of these? Say you open form one, two, and
> three. These will be in sequence.
> The close form two and reopen it. Now the sequence of tabs is: one, three,
> two.
>
> I can then set form three.Visible = False and then to True. Now the
> sequence is: one, two, three.
>
> Is there a smarter way to control the tab sequence?
>
> /gustav

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Feb 24 04:26:01 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 05:26:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fwd: Apps built by Oracle Consulting firm in AA
In-Reply-To: <CAK02ERLYbgYUT3kToTNiAMmDnJ-7JRqAQp=1Wzj7bK3iDG+i0A@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jYM9zG2sw9=7M-YjjsqvzxmBvUe-P2cLohMnc0w7cN-w@mail.gmail.com>

Pursuant to our discussion of Alpha Anywhere, I came across this:

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Richard Rabins <richard at alphasoftware.com>
Date: Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 2:59 AM
Subject: Apps built by Oracle Consulting firm in AA

http://alphasoftware.net/oracle-consulting-company-adopts-alpha-anywhere-for-building-mobile-business-apps-demos/

-- 
Arthur

From kathryn at bassett.net  Mon Feb 24 23:27:15 2014
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 21:27:15 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Save a concatenate to another field
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YfCgAAAEAAAAMIs3Hy9q6dKrhhxobXqyE4BAAAAAA==@bassett.net>

On this page: http://www.techonthenet.com/access/functions/string/concat.php
I followed the example at the bottom, and have

Expr1: [TitleProper]& " " &[SecondaryTitle] & " " & [SubTitle]

But how do I get the results into the new field I have called Title? (So I
can dump TitleProper, SecondaryTitle, and SubTitle)


--
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"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net?? 




From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Mon Feb 24 23:45:56 2014
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 05:45:56 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Save a concatenate to another field
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References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YfCgAAAEAAAAMIs3Hy9q6dKrhhxobXqyE4BAAAAAA==@bassett.net>
Message-ID: <fc4993f9d70040e98a818ba3661dc739@HKXPR04MB184.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Kathryn,

You could use an update query.  Air code, something like:

UPDATE tblMyNewTable
SET tblMyNewTable.NewTitle  = [tblOld].[TitleProper]& " " & [tblOld].[SecondaryTitle] & " " & [tblOld].[SubTitle]
WHERE tblOld.TitleID = tblMyNewTable.TitleID

Should get you close.

Cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn Bassett
Sent: Tuesday, 25 February 2014 4:27 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Save a concatenate to another field

On this page: http://www.techonthenet.com/access/functions/string/concat.php
I followed the example at the bottom, and have

Expr1: [TitleProper]& " " &[SecondaryTitle] & " " & [SubTitle]

But how do I get the results into the new field I have called Title? (So I can dump TitleProper, SecondaryTitle, and SubTitle)


--
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"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
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From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Mon Feb 24 23:49:18 2014
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 18:49:18 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Save a concatenate to another field
In-Reply-To: <EB8393AE7EA44D54AE1D2A20D9A8E576@BondSoftware.local>
References: <EB8393AE7EA44D54AE1D2A20D9A8E576@BondSoftware.local>
Message-ID: <F35C4737E33A6543BC69DFB19CB5748F106BC5@bsserver.BondSoftware.local>

Make an update query with one field, Title.

In the 'Update To' row, put : [TitleProper]& " " & [SecondaryTitle] & " " & [SubTitle]

A thought - if [TitleProper] is Null you'll get a leading space in the [Title] field.  You might want to investigate using the + concatenation operator instead of the &. For example, ([TitleProper] + " ") will evaluate to Null when [TitleProper] is Null

Stephen Bond
Invercargill, NEW ZEALAND



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn Bassett
Sent: Tuesday, 25 February 2014 6:31 p.m.
To: Stephen
Subject: [AccessD] Save a concatenate to another field

On this page: http://www.techonthenet.com/access/functions/string/concat.php
I followed the example at the bottom, and have

Expr1: [TitleProper]& " " &[SecondaryTitle] & " " & [SubTitle]

But how do I get the results into the new field I have called Title? (So I
can dump TitleProper, SecondaryTitle, and SubTitle)


--
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"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net?? 



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From kathryn at bassett.net  Tue Feb 25 00:17:12 2014
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 22:17:12 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Save a concatenate to another field
In-Reply-To: <fc4993f9d70040e98a818ba3661dc739@HKXPR04MB184.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YfCgAAAEAAAAMIs3Hy9q6dKrhhxobXqyE4BAAAAAA==@bassett.net>
	<fc4993f9d70040e98a818ba3661dc739@HKXPR04MB184.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAAMQZas3jJghJjVWfTQi5dRcBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>

I get errors. Here's the database:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/iwqoor4rwd2o8hg/ConnerBishopHistories.accdb

Run the Genealogies query. ID 349 is the first record I'm trying to
concatenate. I see the results in the Expr1 field. I want to put that
concatenated info into the Title field.

Don't be concerned with the other tables, and yes, I know the whole db is
not properly titled (like tblGenealogies etc) and it's all flat vs
relational, but that is something for down the road. Right now this is what
I've go to work with.

I know I need to make it an update query, I just need the right SQL to do
what I want.

Kathryn

> -----Original Message-----
> You could use an update query.  Air code, something like:
> 
> UPDATE tblMyNewTable
> SET tblMyNewTable.NewTitle  = [tblOld].[TitleProper]& " " &
> [tblOld].[SecondaryTitle] & " " & [tblOld].[SubTitle] WHERE tblOld.TitleID
=
> tblMyNewTable.TitleID
> 
> Should get you close.
> 
> Cheers
> Darryl.


From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Tue Feb 25 01:06:01 2014
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 07:06:01 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Save a concatenate to another field
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAAMQZas3jJghJjVWfTQi5dRcBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YfCgAAAEAAAAMIs3Hy9q6dKrhhxobXqyE4BAAAAAA==@bassett.net>
	<fc4993f9d70040e98a818ba3661dc739@HKXPR04MB184.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAAMQZas3jJghJjVWfTQi5dRcBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>
Message-ID: <CALGJE96LdMsKV9kzCALMT+k5maycjAWiW=ZnNQ8E5EwHjLOTVA@mail.gmail.com>

Wish I could get a copy of Access to have a look at this, only got open
office as can't afford to buy Office as unemployed, definitely have to
start up my own business or rob a bank.

Have you checked to see that there aren't any hidden characters etc in the
two fields that you are trying to concatenate, what are the errors you are
getting ?

Paul


On 25 February 2014 06:17, Kathryn Bassett <kathryn at bassett.net> wrote:

> I get errors. Here's the database:
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/iwqoor4rwd2o8hg/ConnerBishopHistories.accdb
>
> Run the Genealogies query. ID 349 is the first record I'm trying to
> concatenate. I see the results in the Expr1 field. I want to put that
> concatenated info into the Title field.
>
> Don't be concerned with the other tables, and yes, I know the whole db is
> not properly titled (like tblGenealogies etc) and it's all flat vs
> relational, but that is something for down the road. Right now this is what
> I've go to work with.
>
> I know I need to make it an update query, I just need the right SQL to do
> what I want.
>
> Kathryn
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > You could use an update query.  Air code, something like:
> >
> > UPDATE tblMyNewTable
> > SET tblMyNewTable.NewTitle  = [tblOld].[TitleProper]& " " &
> > [tblOld].[SecondaryTitle] & " " & [tblOld].[SubTitle] WHERE
> tblOld.TitleID
> =
> > tblMyNewTable.TitleID
> >
> > Should get you close.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Darryl.
>
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From kathryn at bassett.net  Tue Feb 25 01:12:29 2014
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 23:12:29 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Save a concatenate to another field
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That didn't work.
BTW, there are no TitleProper's that are Null, just SecondaryTitle &
SubTitle

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Bond
> Sent: 24 Feb 2014 9:49 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Save a concatenate to another field
> 
> Make an update query with one field, Title.
> 
> In the 'Update To' row, put : [TitleProper]& " " & [SecondaryTitle] & " "
&
> [SubTitle]
> 
> A thought - if [TitleProper] is Null you'll get a leading space in the
[Title] field.
> You might want to investigate using the + concatenation operator instead
of
> the &. For example, ([TitleProper] + " ") will evaluate to Null when
> [TitleProper] is Null
> 
> Stephen Bond
> Invercargill, NEW ZEALAND
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn Bassett
> Sent: Tuesday, 25 February 2014 6:31 p.m.
> To: Stephen
> Subject: [AccessD] Save a concatenate to another field
> 
> On this page:
> http://www.techonthenet.com/access/functions/string/concat.php
> I followed the example at the bottom, and have
> 
> Expr1: [TitleProper]& " " &[SecondaryTitle] & " " & [SubTitle]
> 
> But how do I get the results into the new field I have called Title? (So I
can
> dump TitleProper, SecondaryTitle, and SubTitle)
> 
> 
> --
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> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
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> http://bassett.net
> 
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From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Tue Feb 25 01:19:16 2014
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 20:19:16 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Save a concatenate to another field
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Kathryn

I downloaded and built an update query.  The SQL is

UPDATE Genealogies SET Genealogies.Title = [TitleProper] & " " &
[SecondaryTitle] & " " & [SubTitle];

This works for me.  I have uploaded your db with Query to SendSpace, you
should get a notification.  


Stephen Bond




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn
Bassett
Sent: Tuesday, 25 February 2014 7:31 p.m.
To: Stephen
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Save a concatenate to another field

I get errors. Here's the database:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/iwqoor4rwd2o8hg/ConnerBishopHistories.accdb

Run the Genealogies query. ID 349 is the first record I'm trying to
concatenate. I see the results in the Expr1 field. I want to put that
concatenated info into the Title field.

Don't be concerned with the other tables, and yes, I know the whole db
is
not properly titled (like tblGenealogies etc) and it's all flat vs
relational, but that is something for down the road. Right now this is
what
I've go to work with.

I know I need to make it an update query, I just need the right SQL to
do
what I want.

Kathryn

> -----Original Message-----
> You could use an update query.  Air code, something like:
> 
> UPDATE tblMyNewTable
> SET tblMyNewTable.NewTitle  = [tblOld].[TitleProper]& " " &
> [tblOld].[SecondaryTitle] & " " & [tblOld].[SubTitle] WHERE
tblOld.TitleID
=
> tblMyNewTable.TitleID
> 
> Should get you close.
> 
> Cheers
> Darryl.

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Feb 25 01:23:58 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 07:23:58 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Save a concatenate to another field
Message-ID: <c9bce2f6371e445cb3eedd1fb5f19218@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Kathryn

The query ran without a glitch, so what is your problem?
However, as most of the secondary fields are empty, you should adjust your SQL to prevent spaces:

UPDATE Genealogies 
SET Genealogies.Title = [TitleProper] & (" " + [SecondaryTitle]) & (" " + [SubTitle]);

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Kathryn Bassett
Sendt: 25. februar 2014 08:12
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Save a concatenate to another field

That didn't work.
BTW, there are no TitleProper's that are Null, just SecondaryTitle & SubTitle

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd- 
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Bond
> Sent: 24 Feb 2014 9:49 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Save a concatenate to another field
> 
> Make an update query with one field, Title.
> 
> In the 'Update To' row, put : [TitleProper]& " " & [SecondaryTitle] & " " & [SubTitle]
> 
> A thought - if [TitleProper] is Null you'll get a leading space in the [Title] field.
> You might want to investigate using the + concatenation operator 
> instead of the &. For example, ([TitleProper] + " ") will evaluate to Null when 
> [TitleProper] is Null
> 
> Stephen Bond
> Invercargill, NEW ZEALAND
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd- 
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn Bassett
> Sent: Tuesday, 25 February 2014 6:31 p.m.
> To: Stephen
> Subject: [AccessD] Save a concatenate to another field
> 
> On this page:
> http://www.techonthenet.com/access/functions/string/concat.php
> I followed the example at the bottom, and have
> 
> Expr1: [TitleProper]& " " &[SecondaryTitle] & " " & [SubTitle]
> 
> But how do I get the results into the new field I have called Title? 
> (So I can dump TitleProper, SecondaryTitle, and SubTitle)
> 
> 
> --
> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is 
> my soap"
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net 


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Feb 25 07:39:47 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 08:39:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How did I miss this?
Message-ID: <530C9D23.8020509@gmail.com>

Nodding off in my rocking chair I guess?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_(interface)

-- 
John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Feb 25 07:50:21 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 13:50:21 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] How did I miss this?
Message-ID: <8f5e9f16ef56478db5c636441d746ed9@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi John

I don't think you did. At least I haven't yet met any implementation of it.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John W Colby
Sendt: 25. februar 2014 14:40
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: [AccessD] How did I miss this?

Nodding off in my rocking chair I guess?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_(interface)

-- 
John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it 


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Feb 25 08:16:19 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 09:16:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ad I missed this
Message-ID: <530CA5B3.8090705@gmail.com>

Zzzzzz.......

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/GodMode-Windows-7-How-to,9345.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/GodMode-Windows-7-Secret-Shortcuts,9373.html

-- 
John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Tue Feb 25 08:58:47 2014
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 06:58:47 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Ad I missed this
In-Reply-To: <530CA5B3.8090705@gmail.com>
References: <530CA5B3.8090705@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_Ytf6J81HLT3azMpE6BCVbHbf_oLogr+m8tG+JYYThEA@mail.gmail.com>

That's OK, John.  It was never very useful anyhow.  I kept getting it mixed
up with control panel and finally deleted the shortcut.

Charlotte


On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 6:16 AM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> Zzzzzz.......
>
> http://www.tomshardware.com/news/GodMode-Windows-7-How-to,9345.html
> http://www.tomshardware.com/news/GodMode-Windows-7-Secret-
> Shortcuts,9373.html
>
> --
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>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Feb 25 09:09:02 2014
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 10:09:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How did I miss this?
In-Reply-To: <8f5e9f16ef56478db5c636441d746ed9@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <8f5e9f16ef56478db5c636441d746ed9@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BFFB895960A844C38625DE5BE92F7909@XPS>


 Sounds like it's mostly an "Apple thing" right now, which explains why it's
been missed (and no, I'm not bashing Apple).

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 08:50 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How did I miss this?

Hi John

I don't think you did. At least I haven't yet met any implementation of it.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John W Colby
Sendt: 25. februar 2014 14:40
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: [AccessD] How did I miss this?

Nodding off in my rocking chair I guess?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_(interface)

-- 
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Tue Feb 25 09:11:59 2014
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 10:11:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ad I missed this
In-Reply-To: <530CA5B3.8090705@gmail.com>
References: <530CA5B3.8090705@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V7cwWfOHyiaFTCASrRZ9bLV1H86CGjqVzziZpr4KU97zA@mail.gmail.com>

John what does one do with those class ids? (If that is what the are).

The article may give more background but I was struggling to read on a
smartphone.
On Feb 25, 2014 9:17 AM, "John W Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Zzzzzz.......
>
> http://www.tomshardware.com/news/GodMode-Windows-7-How-to,9345.html
>
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/GodMode-Windows-7-Secret-Shortcuts,9373.html
>
> --
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Feb 25 09:15:49 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 10:15:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ad I missed this
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V7cwWfOHyiaFTCASrRZ9bLV1H86CGjqVzziZpr4KU97zA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <530CA5B3.8090705@gmail.com>
	<CAGuQ9V7cwWfOHyiaFTCASrRZ9bLV1H86CGjqVzziZpr4KU97zA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <530CB3A5.8060701@gmail.com>

That is a mighty fine question.  I got one working, their example in the main article, but not the 
other 12.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/25/2014 10:11 AM, William Benson wrote:
> John what does one do with those class ids? (If that is what the are).
>
> The article may give more background but I was struggling to read on a
> smartphone.
> On Feb 25, 2014 9:17 AM, "John W Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Zzzzzz.......
>>
>> http://www.tomshardware.com/news/GodMode-Windows-7-How-to,9345.html
>>
> http://www.tomshardware.com/news/GodMode-Windows-7-Secret-Shortcuts,9373.html
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Feb 25 09:56:28 2014
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 10:56:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ad I missed this
In-Reply-To: <530CB3A5.8060701@gmail.com>
References: <530CA5B3.8090705@gmail.com>
	<CAGuQ9V7cwWfOHyiaFTCASrRZ9bLV1H86CGjqVzziZpr4KU97zA@mail.gmail.com>
	<530CB3A5.8060701@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A1E60BEA2E5C4F35BE3A48313DB8CA5C@XPS>


  I can see this being handy for a developer, but not much for the average
user.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 10:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ad I missed this

That is a mighty fine question.  I got one working, their example in the
main article, but not the 
other 12.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/25/2014 10:11 AM, William Benson wrote:
> John what does one do with those class ids? (If that is what the are).
>
> The article may give more background but I was struggling to read on a
> smartphone.
> On Feb 25, 2014 9:17 AM, "John W Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Zzzzzz.......
>>
>> http://www.tomshardware.com/news/GodMode-Windows-7-How-to,9345.html
>>
>
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/GodMode-Windows-7-Secret-Shortcuts,9373.htm
l
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Tue Feb 25 11:18:21 2014
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 09:18:21 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] How did I miss this?
In-Reply-To: <BFFB895960A844C38625DE5BE92F7909@XPS>
References: <8f5e9f16ef56478db5c636441d746ed9@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<BFFB895960A844C38625DE5BE92F7909@XPS>
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Yes, Apple is the big supporter of it.

I stopped using the Tunderbolt to HDMI cable when I got an HDMI cable for
my Galaxy S3 and was able to stream movies from my phone.

I stopped using that cable when my wife bought our first Chromecast. :)

D


On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 7:09 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>  Sounds like it's mostly an "Apple thing" right now, which explains why
> it's
> been missed (and no, I'm not bashing Apple).
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 08:50 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] How did I miss this?
>
> Hi John
>
> I don't think you did. At least I haven't yet met any implementation of it.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John W Colby
> Sendt: 25. februar 2014 14:40
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: [AccessD] How did I miss this?
>
> Nodding off in my rocking chair I guess?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_(interface)
>
> --
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>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Feb 25 11:23:07 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 12:23:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
Message-ID: <530CD17B.9060801@gmail.com>

I bought an HP Envy 17" at Sams a few months ago.  It came with Windows 8.  Ugh.  I tried to like 
it.  Then I tried to endure it.  I tried to modify it to get back Windows 7 like functionality.  I 
found myself not using the laptop for actual work, though it was OK (barely) for games and internet 
stuff.  I was pissed that I had spent a fair chunk of change on a very powerful, very nice laptop 
that I hated.

Funny stuff here...

http://www.loopinsight.com/2013/01/04/windows-8-review-the-thing-blows/

And it pretty much mirrors my experience.  Even after working with it every day for a month I still 
had issues with things like drag and drop.  How can you drag and drop files between two windows 
when... you can only have ONE WINDOW?  And why should I be "allowed" two windows, but one of them 
has to be this scrunched up little slice docked to the left side while the other gets the rest of 
the screen?  I have a 23" monitor, PLENTY of room for many different windows when I need them.  But 
no, I am not "allowed" that.

And why can't I minimize open programs to my task bar and click on them to reopen.  Oh yea, I 
remember now, there IS NO TASK BAR. What???  And when I want to see the wireless strength I can just 
look at the wireless icon down in the taskbar... oh yea I forgot, THERE IS NO TASKBAR.  In Windows 7 
I use a handful of programs 99% of the time.  I pin them to the taskbar.  They stack.  If I am 
remoted in to 5 different machines (yes, I do that every day) then I hover over the taskbar and up 
pops a list of the open remote desktop sessions.  How do I accomplish that with Windows 8?

How do you hover with a touch screen to begin with?  And why am I searching for third party apps to 
get back functionality that I need and was FORBIDDEN to have with Windows 8?  Is Microsoft my mom, 
telling me that I HAVE to do it this way?  Even my mom no longer tells me what to do.

I did discover that all of the old Windows applications look like they always did, can be windowed, 
and have the minimize and close button.  But of course all of the "Windows 8 native" apps don't and 
don't and don't.

And why do I have to rearrange a HUGE screen of HUGE blocks of pictures which pretty much have 
nothing to do with what they represent to get the ones I use most all on the screen at the same 
time.  Menus exist because they logically group operations.  In Windows 7 If I need an Office app I 
can go find all of the Microsoft office programs by finding the menu for that.  Yes, you have to 
hunt and figure that out but once you do the menu allows you to see groups of programs (or 
operations).  The "start" screen just has a bajillion HUGE blocks scrolling off to the right 
forever, mere and more as you add things to your computer.  Wow.  Try cut and paste between two apps.

In the end, I discovered that I use my laptop for real work and Windows 8 makes real work hard.  
Even when you know how to use it, it is still hard.  I often use a tablet for the internet and 
"social" stuff, but even that is not as easy to accomplish (I.e. that is also "real work" as on a 
Windows 7 computer.  If I want to sit in my car or in my easy chair I will use my tablet but if I 
have serious research, opening a couple of instances of Chrome, with tabs, dragging tabs down to 
create new instances to research something... I go to my computer.  My Windows 7 computer.

I finally just broke down and bought Windows 7 pro and installed it.  It was a MAJOR PITA to find 
all of the drivers for the chipset, touch screen etc.  But I ended up with a fully functioning 
Windows 7.  Given that all laptops come with 5400 rpm drives, and I was going to replace mine, I 
decided to buy a Samsung EVO 500 gb drive. WHOA!!! Smokin'  The difference in everything I do is 
flat out incredible.

The Windows experience is 7.8-7.9 in everything except the graphics which is a 6.7 due to Intel's 
sucky graphics chips.  Oh to have a quad core I7 and AMD's graphics.  Oh well.

I now LOVE my laptop.

My son has a Windows XP system, very old.  He downloads a ton of crap and managed to get it so 
infected that I had major problems getting it sanitized.  So I am building a new system.   Given 
that XP loses the last vestiges of support in two months I decided to use Windows 7 for that as 
well.  Which leaves me in a quandary.  Do I buy a handful of copies for future proofing?  Windows 7 
sales (from third parties like new egg) will go away in about 6 months.

On a final note to Metro bashing... Has anyone been to MSNBC lately?  OMG.  I no longer use that as 
my goto news source since I cannot find anything without paging down through page after page of 
pictures about crap I am not interested in.  Someone bought into Metro big time.

-- 
John W. Colby

Windows 8 is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Feb 25 11:56:36 2014
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 12:56:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
In-Reply-To: <530CD17B.9060801@gmail.com>
References: <530CD17B.9060801@gmail.com>
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 love the rant<g>

 and you should TM this:

 "In the end, I discovered that I use my laptop for real work and Windows 8
makes real work hard." 

 I'd love to know who they do their usability studies with.   I used Win 8
for all of twenty minutes and said "forget it".  Kudo's to you for at least
making a real attempt.

 I haven't seen 8.1 yet.  Love Win 7.  Think it's the best one ever except
for UAC.  Everything for me is a right click and "Run as Admin", just on the
off chance that the program needs admin access to install/work right, so it
really defeats the purpose of having that.

 Want a real laugh?  Try firing up Office 2013 for the first time and
activating it under Win 7.  You'll get this cryptic error message about not
being able contact Microsoft (error code 0x8007005) and to try again later.

 Guess what?  Right click and run as admin...
 

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 12:23 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase

I bought an HP Envy 17" at Sams a few months ago.  It came with Windows 8.
Ugh. 
<<snip>>


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Feb 25 11:59:32 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 12:59:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How did I miss this?
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWaaDXF9sGriYKdGo2HM+ujbdQZkUDqOQeeqa6hk2H2Ngg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8f5e9f16ef56478db5c636441d746ed9@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>	<BFFB895960A844C38625DE5BE92F7909@XPS>
	<CAMhYZWaaDXF9sGriYKdGo2HM+ujbdQZkUDqOQeeqa6hk2H2Ngg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <530CDA04.60003@gmail.com>

I am looking at a high speed interface to SSD raid arrays and that kind of thing.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/25/2014 12:18 PM, David McAfee wrote:
> Yes, Apple is the big supporter of it.
>
> I stopped using the Tunderbolt to HDMI cable when I got an HDMI cable for
> my Galaxy S3 and was able to stream movies from my phone.
>
> I stopped using that cable when my wife bought our first Chromecast. :)
>
> D
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 7:09 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>   Sounds like it's mostly an "Apple thing" right now, which explains why
>> it's
>> been missed (and no, I'm not bashing Apple).
>>
>> Jim.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 08:50 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] How did I miss this?
>>
>> Hi John
>>
>> I don't think you did. At least I haven't yet met any implementation of it.
>>
>> /gustav
>>
>>
>> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John W Colby
>> Sendt: 25. februar 2014 14:40
>> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Emne: [AccessD] How did I miss this?
>>
>> Nodding off in my rocking chair I guess?
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_(interface)
>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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>>
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Feb 25 12:12:54 2014
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 12:12:54 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
In-Reply-To: <530CD17B.9060801@gmail.com>
References: <530CD17B.9060801@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pLiS_Pd=Hbq-oTVx5s4G7LtFfELONJJCCo=uWgvz-ZxeA@mail.gmail.com>

People still do real work on computers?  ;-)

I have a Win 8.1 system I just built as the music server for my home
theater setup. So I'm not doing work work on it. I run Windows Media Player
and Itunes and VLC Media player and Firefox for Internet Browsing and web
based email and such. It works OK for what I am using it for. Have 65 inch
DLP monitor as second screen and 20 inch primary screen and I drag things
back and forth between the two when I want to see something on the big one.
But I readily admit I'm but a casual user so far. Oh and I'm running the
Stanford University Protein Folding distributed computing Fold At Home on
it. It doesn't have any problem running that while still doing everything
else. On my I7 chip Windows 7 system I have to throttle that ap way back if
I'm actually trying to do anything on it. Different video cards of course
and perhaps that is the issue.

Anyway, glad you have your system reconfigured to your liking John. Windows
9 is supposed to be out in April 2015 from what I hear.

GK

-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com

From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Feb 25 12:34:09 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 13:34:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8 from someone who worked on it.
Message-ID: <530CE221.5030508@gmail.com>

http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-8-ux-designer-on-metro-it-is-the-antithesis-of-a-power-user

-- 
John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Feb 25 12:42:03 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 11:42:03 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
In-Reply-To: <530CD17B.9060801@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1114678473.467361.1393353723599.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi John:

Sorry for your terrible experience. 

I have not taken the Windows 8 challenge as I hate to lose and look totally incompetent. 

A friend who is happens to be one of the senior designer for the (national) Royal Bank said that the tech staff swore that they would never install Windows 8...can you imagine what 100K of tellers and mutual fund managers would do if presented with Windows 8. The bank also have many millions of dollars invested in applications, that have been developed over 40 plus years and there is no clear upgrade path to the new Windows. This all makes the new OS a "no go".

It should be noted that all the senior staff from the Windows 8 project, have left. Whether they were fired or just left or are leaving for greener pastures, is not known but this sort of major turn-over doesn't tend to give any outside observer confidence in the whole Windows 8 environment.    

You have had to reverse back to Windows 7 (maybe waiting for the new Windows 9 savior), while many big companies are simply refusing to move and I have slide sideways into Linux and now doubt whether I will ever come back. 

Aside: I have found that there is nothing I can do in Windows that I can not just as easily do in Linux...MS Access 2003 runs just fine but I have not tried other favours of Access, yet.  

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "John W Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 25 February, 2014 9:23:07 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase

I bought an HP Envy 17" at Sams a few months ago.  It came with Windows 8.  Ugh.  I tried to like 
it.  Then I tried to endure it.  I tried to modify it to get back Windows 7 like functionality.  I 
found myself not using the laptop for actual work, though it was OK (barely) for games and internet 
stuff.  I was pissed that I had spent a fair chunk of change on a very powerful, very nice laptop 
that I hated.

Funny stuff here...

http://www.loopinsight.com/2013/01/04/windows-8-review-the-thing-blows/

And it pretty much mirrors my experience.  Even after working with it every day for a month I still 
had issues with things like drag and drop.  How can you drag and drop files between two windows 
when... you can only have ONE WINDOW?  And why should I be "allowed" two windows, but one of them 
has to be this scrunched up little slice docked to the left side while the other gets the rest of 
the screen?  I have a 23" monitor, PLENTY of room for many different windows when I need them.  But 
no, I am not "allowed" that.

And why can't I minimize open programs to my task bar and click on them to reopen.  Oh yea, I 
remember now, there IS NO TASK BAR. What???  And when I want to see the wireless strength I can just 
look at the wireless icon down in the taskbar... oh yea I forgot, THERE IS NO TASKBAR.  In Windows 7 
I use a handful of programs 99% of the time.  I pin them to the taskbar.  They stack.  If I am 
remoted in to 5 different machines (yes, I do that every day) then I hover over the taskbar and up 
pops a list of the open remote desktop sessions.  How do I accomplish that with Windows 8?

How do you hover with a touch screen to begin with?  And why am I searching for third party apps to 
get back functionality that I need and was FORBIDDEN to have with Windows 8?  Is Microsoft my mom, 
telling me that I HAVE to do it this way?  Even my mom no longer tells me what to do.

I did discover that all of the old Windows applications look like they always did, can be windowed, 
and have the minimize and close button.  But of course all of the "Windows 8 native" apps don't and 
don't and don't.

And why do I have to rearrange a HUGE screen of HUGE blocks of pictures which pretty much have 
nothing to do with what they represent to get the ones I use most all on the screen at the same 
time.  Menus exist because they logically group operations.  In Windows 7 If I need an Office app I 
can go find all of the Microsoft office programs by finding the menu for that.  Yes, you have to 
hunt and figure that out but once you do the menu allows you to see groups of programs (or 
operations).  The "start" screen just has a bajillion HUGE blocks scrolling off to the right 
forever, mere and more as you add things to your computer.  Wow.  Try cut and paste between two apps.

In the end, I discovered that I use my laptop for real work and Windows 8 makes real work hard.  
Even when you know how to use it, it is still hard.  I often use a tablet for the internet and 
"social" stuff, but even that is not as easy to accomplish (I.e. that is also "real work" as on a 
Windows 7 computer.  If I want to sit in my car or in my easy chair I will use my tablet but if I 
have serious research, opening a couple of instances of Chrome, with tabs, dragging tabs down to 
create new instances to research something... I go to my computer.  My Windows 7 computer.

I finally just broke down and bought Windows 7 pro and installed it.  It was a MAJOR PITA to find 
all of the drivers for the chipset, touch screen etc.  But I ended up with a fully functioning 
Windows 7.  Given that all laptops come with 5400 rpm drives, and I was going to replace mine, I 
decided to buy a Samsung EVO 500 gb drive. WHOA!!! Smokin'  The difference in everything I do is 
flat out incredible.

The Windows experience is 7.8-7.9 in everything except the graphics which is a 6.7 due to Intel's 
sucky graphics chips.  Oh to have a quad core I7 and AMD's graphics.  Oh well.

I now LOVE my laptop.

My son has a Windows XP system, very old.  He downloads a ton of crap and managed to get it so 
infected that I had major problems getting it sanitized.  So I am building a new system.   Given 
that XP loses the last vestiges of support in two months I decided to use Windows 7 for that as 
well.  Which leaves me in a quandary.  Do I buy a handful of copies for future proofing?  Windows 7 
sales (from third parties like new egg) will go away in about 6 months.

On a final note to Metro bashing... Has anyone been to MSNBC lately?  OMG.  I no longer use that as 
my goto news source since I cannot find anything without paging down through page after page of 
pictures about crap I am not interested in.  Someone bought into Metro big time.

-- 
John W. Colby

Windows 8 is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Feb 25 12:49:23 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 13:49:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
In-Reply-To: <1114678473.467361.1393353723599.JavaMail.root@cds002>
References: <1114678473.467361.1393353723599.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <530CE5B3.3060504@gmail.com>

I am watching with interest the case of the UKs health care system which cannot migrate off of XP 
due to incompatibility of custom apps with Windows 7 (or 8 ).  They are paying BIG BUCKS to 
Microsoft to keep on supporting them. Something like $100 / machine for the first year and $200 / 
year for the second year.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/25/2014 1:42 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi John:
>
> Sorry for your terrible experience.
>
> I have not taken the Windows 8 challenge as I hate to lose and look totally incompetent.
>
> A friend who is happens to be one of the senior designer for the (national) Royal Bank said that the tech staff swore that they would never install Windows 8...can you imagine what 100K of tellers and mutual fund managers would do if presented with Windows 8. The bank also have many millions of dollars invested in applications, that have been developed over 40 plus years and there is no clear upgrade path to the new Windows. This all makes the new OS a "no go".
>
> It should be noted that all the senior staff from the Windows 8 project, have left. Whether they were fired or just left or are leaving for greener pastures, is not known but this sort of major turn-over doesn't tend to give any outside observer confidence in the whole Windows 8 environment.
>
> You have had to reverse back to Windows 7 (maybe waiting for the new Windows 9 savior), while many big companies are simply refusing to move and I have slide sideways into Linux and now doubt whether I will ever come back.
>
> Aside: I have found that there is nothing I can do in Windows that I can not just as easily do in Linux...MS Access 2003 runs just fine but I have not tried other favours of Access, yet.
>
> Jim
>


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Tue Feb 25 12:49:06 2014
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 10:49:06 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
In-Reply-To: <530CD17B.9060801@gmail.com>
References: <530CD17B.9060801@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9eNphcQ5s8045_Sf8hg9j-=owKMjczns=uJs8u=oCJ6A@mail.gmail.com>

I don't understand the problem, John.  I love Windows 8.  I rarely use the
"modern" screen because all my work is on the desktop, but I have some
charms there for the desktop programs I use the most.  Why kvetch about the
modern screen when all you need do it switch to the desktop?  There
certainly is a taskbar there.

Charlotte


On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 9:23 AM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> I bought an HP Envy 17" at Sams a few months ago.  It came with Windows 8.
>  Ugh.  I tried to like it.  Then I tried to endure it.  I tried to modify
> it to get back Windows 7 like functionality.  I found myself not using the
> laptop for actual work, though it was OK (barely) for games and internet
> stuff.  I was pissed that I had spent a fair chunk of change on a very
> powerful, very nice laptop that I hated.
>
> Funny stuff here...
>
> http://www.loopinsight.com/2013/01/04/windows-8-review-the-thing-blows/
>
> And it pretty much mirrors my experience.  Even after working with it
> every day for a month I still had issues with things like drag and drop.
>  How can you drag and drop files between two windows when... you can only
> have ONE WINDOW?  And why should I be "allowed" two windows, but one of
> them has to be this scrunched up little slice docked to the left side while
> the other gets the rest of the screen?  I have a 23" monitor, PLENTY of
> room for many different windows when I need them.  But no, I am not
> "allowed" that.
>
> And why can't I minimize open programs to my task bar and click on them to
> reopen.  Oh yea, I remember now, there IS NO TASK BAR. What???  And when I
> want to see the wireless strength I can just look at the wireless icon down
> in the taskbar... oh yea I forgot, THERE IS NO TASKBAR.  In Windows 7 I use
> a handful of programs 99% of the time.  I pin them to the taskbar.  They
> stack.  If I am remoted in to 5 different machines (yes, I do that every
> day) then I hover over the taskbar and up pops a list of the open remote
> desktop sessions.  How do I accomplish that with Windows 8?
>
> How do you hover with a touch screen to begin with?  And why am I
> searching for third party apps to get back functionality that I need and
> was FORBIDDEN to have with Windows 8?  Is Microsoft my mom, telling me that
> I HAVE to do it this way?  Even my mom no longer tells me what to do.
>
> I did discover that all of the old Windows applications look like they
> always did, can be windowed, and have the minimize and close button.  But
> of course all of the "Windows 8 native" apps don't and don't and don't.
>
> And why do I have to rearrange a HUGE screen of HUGE blocks of pictures
> which pretty much have nothing to do with what they represent to get the
> ones I use most all on the screen at the same time.  Menus exist because
> they logically group operations.  In Windows 7 If I need an Office app I
> can go find all of the Microsoft office programs by finding the menu for
> that.  Yes, you have to hunt and figure that out but once you do the menu
> allows you to see groups of programs (or operations).  The "start" screen
> just has a bajillion HUGE blocks scrolling off to the right forever, mere
> and more as you add things to your computer.  Wow.  Try cut and paste
> between two apps.
>
> In the end, I discovered that I use my laptop for real work and Windows 8
> makes real work hard.  Even when you know how to use it, it is still hard.
>  I often use a tablet for the internet and "social" stuff, but even that is
> not as easy to accomplish (I.e. that is also "real work" as on a Windows 7
> computer.  If I want to sit in my car or in my easy chair I will use my
> tablet but if I have serious research, opening a couple of instances of
> Chrome, with tabs, dragging tabs down to create new instances to research
> something... I go to my computer.  My Windows 7 computer.
>
> I finally just broke down and bought Windows 7 pro and installed it.  It
> was a MAJOR PITA to find all of the drivers for the chipset, touch screen
> etc.  But I ended up with a fully functioning Windows 7.  Given that all
> laptops come with 5400 rpm drives, and I was going to replace mine, I
> decided to buy a Samsung EVO 500 gb drive. WHOA!!! Smokin'  The difference
> in everything I do is flat out incredible.
>
> The Windows experience is 7.8-7.9 in everything except the graphics which
> is a 6.7 due to Intel's sucky graphics chips.  Oh to have a quad core I7
> and AMD's graphics.  Oh well.
>
> I now LOVE my laptop.
>
> My son has a Windows XP system, very old.  He downloads a ton of crap and
> managed to get it so infected that I had major problems getting it
> sanitized.  So I am building a new system.   Given that XP loses the last
> vestiges of support in two months I decided to use Windows 7 for that as
> well.  Which leaves me in a quandary.  Do I buy a handful of copies for
> future proofing?  Windows 7 sales (from third parties like new egg) will go
> away in about 6 months.
>
> On a final note to Metro bashing... Has anyone been to MSNBC lately?  OMG.
>  I no longer use that as my goto news source since I cannot find anything
> without paging down through page after page of pictures about crap I am not
> interested in.  Someone bought into Metro big time.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
>
> Windows 8 is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Feb 25 13:22:39 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 14:22:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9eNphcQ5s8045_Sf8hg9j-=owKMjczns=uJs8u=oCJ6A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <530CD17B.9060801@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met9eNphcQ5s8045_Sf8hg9j-=owKMjczns=uJs8u=oCJ6A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <530CED7F.2020505@gmail.com>

To be honest Charlotte, I don't understand.  I played and worked and played and worked and never 
found a (native) start menu and task bar.  I did download third party "kinda sorta" start menu / 
task bars but they did not contain the functionality of the Windows start menu and task bar. And 
every time I did "expected to work" things I would get rudely pushed back into the "modern" 
display.  Maybe had I been able to just permanently disable that "modern" display things would have 
been better, but alas.

I don't (or rarely) use the Windows 7 desktop.  To me it looks strikingly like the Metro thing, a 
ton of icons (at least they are separated)  which is just confusing.  My son's desktop is FILLED 
with stuff and I get overwhelmed looking at it.  Likewise I get overwhelmed looking at Metro.  
Psychologists have figured out that different people had different learning styles.  Some can learn 
from visual stuff, others learn best from audio stuff others learn best from ...  Windows impressed 
me as "Everybody has to use this one style because we say so".  I tried for two months.  I've come 
from "Boot zapple basic from a cassette" through CPM., DOS, through all the versions of Windows.  I 
am not a technophobe. Windows 8 was a jarring, frustrating and damned irritating experience.

So in the end, I guess I just never stumbled across whatever I had to stumble across to get back to 
a real Windows 7 like experience.  And you can believe me I googled till my eyes were blue trying to 
get back my Windows 7 experience.  I kinda sorta, 1/2 the time, made it look something like (not 
really) Windows 7. Never enough to be able to just get on and get my work done.  I ended up using my 
4 year old Dell laptop when I had to work, and my brand new 10 times as powerful (and pretty 
expensive) laptop as a glorified tablet.

Another part of my issue I think is that I just have no interest in "Social", nor do I need or want 
a weather app sitting in my face constantly updating.  If you don't use Facebook, or twitter or any 
of the rest of that stuff, then...

I will say that my daughter LOVED it though.  She is intellectually disabled but she knows her touch 
screen.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/25/2014 1:49 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> I don't understand the problem, John.  I love Windows 8.  I rarely use the
> "modern" screen because all my work is on the desktop, but I have some
> charms there for the desktop programs I use the most.  Why kvetch about the
> modern screen when all you need do it switch to the desktop?  There
> certainly is a taskbar there.
>
> Charlotte
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 9:23 AM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I bought an HP Envy 17" at Sams a few months ago.  It came with Windows 8.
>>   Ugh.  I tried to like it.  Then I tried to endure it.  I tried to modify
>> it to get back Windows 7 like functionality.  I found myself not using the
>> laptop for actual work, though it was OK (barely) for games and internet
>> stuff.  I was pissed that I had spent a fair chunk of change on a very
>> powerful, very nice laptop that I hated.
>>
>> Funny stuff here...
>>
>> http://www.loopinsight.com/2013/01/04/windows-8-review-the-thing-blows/
>>
>> And it pretty much mirrors my experience.  Even after working with it
>> every day for a month I still had issues with things like drag and drop.
>>   How can you drag and drop files between two windows when... you can only
>> have ONE WINDOW?  And why should I be "allowed" two windows, but one of
>> them has to be this scrunched up little slice docked to the left side while
>> the other gets the rest of the screen?  I have a 23" monitor, PLENTY of
>> room for many different windows when I need them.  But no, I am not
>> "allowed" that.
>>
>> And why can't I minimize open programs to my task bar and click on them to
>> reopen.  Oh yea, I remember now, there IS NO TASK BAR. What???  And when I
>> want to see the wireless strength I can just look at the wireless icon down
>> in the taskbar... oh yea I forgot, THERE IS NO TASKBAR.  In Windows 7 I use
>> a handful of programs 99% of the time.  I pin them to the taskbar.  They
>> stack.  If I am remoted in to 5 different machines (yes, I do that every
>> day) then I hover over the taskbar and up pops a list of the open remote
>> desktop sessions.  How do I accomplish that with Windows 8?
>>
>> How do you hover with a touch screen to begin with?  And why am I
>> searching for third party apps to get back functionality that I need and
>> was FORBIDDEN to have with Windows 8?  Is Microsoft my mom, telling me that
>> I HAVE to do it this way?  Even my mom no longer tells me what to do.
>>
>> I did discover that all of the old Windows applications look like they
>> always did, can be windowed, and have the minimize and close button.  But
>> of course all of the "Windows 8 native" apps don't and don't and don't.
>>
>> And why do I have to rearrange a HUGE screen of HUGE blocks of pictures
>> which pretty much have nothing to do with what they represent to get the
>> ones I use most all on the screen at the same time.  Menus exist because
>> they logically group operations.  In Windows 7 If I need an Office app I
>> can go find all of the Microsoft office programs by finding the menu for
>> that.  Yes, you have to hunt and figure that out but once you do the menu
>> allows you to see groups of programs (or operations).  The "start" screen
>> just has a bajillion HUGE blocks scrolling off to the right forever, mere
>> and more as you add things to your computer.  Wow.  Try cut and paste
>> between two apps.
>>
>> In the end, I discovered that I use my laptop for real work and Windows 8
>> makes real work hard.  Even when you know how to use it, it is still hard.
>>   I often use a tablet for the internet and "social" stuff, but even that is
>> not as easy to accomplish (I.e. that is also "real work" as on a Windows 7
>> computer.  If I want to sit in my car or in my easy chair I will use my
>> tablet but if I have serious research, opening a couple of instances of
>> Chrome, with tabs, dragging tabs down to create new instances to research
>> something... I go to my computer.  My Windows 7 computer.
>>
>> I finally just broke down and bought Windows 7 pro and installed it.  It
>> was a MAJOR PITA to find all of the drivers for the chipset, touch screen
>> etc.  But I ended up with a fully functioning Windows 7.  Given that all
>> laptops come with 5400 rpm drives, and I was going to replace mine, I
>> decided to buy a Samsung EVO 500 gb drive. WHOA!!! Smokin'  The difference
>> in everything I do is flat out incredible.
>>
>> The Windows experience is 7.8-7.9 in everything except the graphics which
>> is a 6.7 due to Intel's sucky graphics chips.  Oh to have a quad core I7
>> and AMD's graphics.  Oh well.
>>
>> I now LOVE my laptop.
>>
>> My son has a Windows XP system, very old.  He downloads a ton of crap and
>> managed to get it so infected that I had major problems getting it
>> sanitized.  So I am building a new system.   Given that XP loses the last
>> vestiges of support in two months I decided to use Windows 7 for that as
>> well.  Which leaves me in a quandary.  Do I buy a handful of copies for
>> future proofing?  Windows 7 sales (from third parties like new egg) will go
>> away in about 6 months.
>>
>> On a final note to Metro bashing... Has anyone been to MSNBC lately?  OMG.
>>   I no longer use that as my goto news source since I cannot find anything
>> without paging down through page after page of pictures about crap I am not
>> interested in.  Someone bought into Metro big time.
>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>>
>> Windows 8 is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Feb 25 14:05:27 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 15:05:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
In-Reply-To: <530CED7F.2020505@gmail.com>
References: <530CD17B.9060801@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met9eNphcQ5s8045_Sf8hg9j-=owKMjczns=uJs8u=oCJ6A@mail.gmail.com>
	<530CED7F.2020505@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1j24Um_n6T0G2Zj3oPNnykCcy+ffiV=-CVjCdgcY1B44w@mail.gmail.com>

IMHO, you folks are all pussies and refuse to see what's great about
Windows 8. With the proviso that you download and install ClassicShell
(google it). This free tool goes a long way toward making Windows 8
palatable for old-timers. In fact it goes further than that; it's smarter
and better than the old classic start menu.

Even without this wonderful tool, there are a few key things you can do to
smarten up your startup tile UI: most notably, you can drag the tiles into
an arrangement of your choice, and also create groups of tiles containing
associated programs (i.e. a Media group, a SQL group, etc. And most
significantly, you can drag your most frequently-visited programs to the
top left of the tile groups. In my tile setup, the first tile is Desktop. I
have two monitors and the desktop opens on the large monitor. I also make
extensive use of the QuickLaunch bar, and the programs soon learn which
monitor they should load on.

That custom setup accomplished, you are now in a position to see some of
the startup, performance and memory management advantages of Windows 8.1. I
can only say that I'd never consider going back to Windows 7. I still have
a copy of it, but it's on a separate box entirely, and I find myself using
that box less and less -- just for large downloads and for running Ubuntu
Linux.

I have one more customization of the Win 8.1 laptop planned. I recently
read a net piece on how to hook up two external monitors to a laptop.
That's next. I'll have three monitors, two external and the laptop monitor.
That will be very cool.

My $0.02.

Arthur

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Feb 25 14:20:03 2014
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 06:20:03 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1j24Um_n6T0G2Zj3oPNnykCcy+ffiV=-CVjCdgcY1B44w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <530CD17B.9060801@gmail.com>, <530CED7F.2020505@gmail.com>,
	<CAEPJO1j24Um_n6T0G2Zj3oPNnykCcy+ffiV=-CVjCdgcY1B44w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <530CFAF3.12574.906315B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

IOW, you agree that ot's cr*p out of the box.  You need third party add ons to make it 
useable.



On 25 Feb 2014 at 15:05, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> IMHO, you folks are all pussies and refuse to see what's great about
> Windows 8. With the proviso that you download and install ClassicShell
> (google it). This free tool goes a long way toward making Windows 8
> palatable for old-timers. In fact it goes further than that; it's
> smarter and better than the old classic start menu.
> 
> Even without this wonderful tool, there are a few key things you can
> do to smarten up your startup tile UI: most notably, you can drag the
> tiles into an arrangement of your choice, and also create groups of
> tiles containing associated programs (i.e. a Media group, a SQL group,
> etc. And most significantly, you can drag your most frequently-visited
> programs to the top left of the tile groups. In my tile setup, the
> first tile is Desktop. I have two monitors and the desktop opens on
> the large monitor. I also make extensive use of the QuickLaunch bar,
> and the programs soon learn which monitor they should load on.
> 
> That custom setup accomplished, you are now in a position to see some
> of the startup, performance and memory management advantages of
> Windows 8.1. I can only say that I'd never consider going back to
> Windows 7. I still have a copy of it, but it's on a separate box
> entirely, and I find myself using that box less and less -- just for
> large downloads and for running Ubuntu Linux.
> 
> I have one more customization of the Win 8.1 laptop planned. I
> recently read a net piece on how to hook up two external monitors to a
> laptop. That's next. I'll have three monitors, two external and the
> laptop monitor. That will be very cool.
> 
> My $0.02.
> 
> Arthur
> -- 
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Tue Feb 25 14:34:16 2014
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 14:34:16 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] How did I miss this?
In-Reply-To: <530C9D23.8020509@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201402252034.s1PKYL2l018754@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey John
You have been nodding off ever since I met you online.  Come on GrandPa wake
up.

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
Sent: February-25-14 7:40 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] How did I miss this?

Nodding off in my rocking chair I guess?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_(interface)

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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Feb 25 14:34:40 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 15:34:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
In-Reply-To: <530CFAF3.12574.906315B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <530CD17B.9060801@gmail.com>, <530CED7F.2020505@gmail.com>,
	<CAEPJO1j24Um_n6T0G2Zj3oPNnykCcy+ffiV=-CVjCdgcY1B44w@mail.gmail.com>
	<530CFAF3.12574.906315B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <530CFE60.5090700@gmail.com>

It appeared to me that Windows 8 was Windows 7 under the covers.  If you go searching, all of the 
old windows apps are still there, and they look and function exactly as they did under Windows 7.  
Of course they are not exposed, so if you want them you have to go searching.

In the end, this pussy will simply wait for Windows 9.  In the meantime there is absolutely NOTHING 
about Windows 8 that I long to go "back" to.  Seriously.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/25/2014 3:20 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> IOW, you agree that ot's cr*p out of the box.  You need third party add ons to make it
> useable.
>
>
>
> On 25 Feb 2014 at 15:05, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>
>> IMHO, you folks are all pussies and refuse to see what's great about
>> Windows 8. With the proviso that you download and install ClassicShell
>> (google it). This free tool goes a long way toward making Windows 8
>> palatable for old-timers. In fact it goes further than that; it's
>> smarter and better than the old classic start menu.
>>
>> Even without this wonderful tool, there are a few key things you can
>> do to smarten up your startup tile UI: most notably, you can drag the
>> tiles into an arrangement of your choice, and also create groups of
>> tiles containing associated programs (i.e. a Media group, a SQL group,
>> etc. And most significantly, you can drag your most frequently-visited
>> programs to the top left of the tile groups. In my tile setup, the
>> first tile is Desktop. I have two monitors and the desktop opens on
>> the large monitor. I also make extensive use of the QuickLaunch bar,
>> and the programs soon learn which monitor they should load on.
>>
>> That custom setup accomplished, you are now in a position to see some
>> of the startup, performance and memory management advantages of
>> Windows 8.1. I can only say that I'd never consider going back to
>> Windows 7. I still have a copy of it, but it's on a separate box
>> entirely, and I find myself using that box less and less -- just for
>> large downloads and for running Ubuntu Linux.
>>
>> I have one more customization of the Win 8.1 laptop planned. I
>> recently read a net piece on how to hook up two external monitors to a
>> laptop. That's next. I'll have three monitors, two external and the
>> laptop monitor. That will be very cool.
>>
>> My $0.02.
>>
>> Arthur
>> -- 
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>


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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Feb 25 14:40:40 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 15:40:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How did I miss this?
In-Reply-To: <201402252034.s1PKYL2l018754@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <201402252034.s1PKYL2l018754@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <530CFFC8.5060606@gmail.com>

And it only gets worse!  ;)

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/25/2014 3:34 PM, Tony Septav wrote:
> Hey John
> You have been nodding off ever since I met you online.  Come on GrandPa wake
> up.
>
> Tony Septav
> Nanaimo, BC
> Canada
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
> Sent: February-25-14 7:40 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] How did I miss this?
>
> Nodding off in my rocking chair I guess?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_(interface)
>


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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Tue Feb 25 14:45:19 2014
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 15:45:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How did I miss this?
In-Reply-To: <530CFFC8.5060606@gmail.com>
References: <201402252034.s1PKYL2l018754@databaseadvisors.com>
	<530CFFC8.5060606@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAugJH7W-tUKa3qbPkcA01qnAfh5nHMeeOBaX2yA98gorA@mail.gmail.com>

I was just going to say I don't think he has time to nod off.  There's the
DBFH,
building, rebuilding and optimizing servers and PCs, keeping abreast with
SQL Server optimization articles, installing SSD and more RAM than any of
us can imagine, answer AccessD.......

I think JC is like wine --better with age.

Hang in there John.


On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 3:40 PM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> And it only gets worse!  ;)
>
>
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 2/25/2014 3:34 PM, Tony Septav wrote:
>
>> Hey John
>> You have been nodding off ever since I met you online.  Come on GrandPa
>> wake
>> up.
>>
>> Tony Septav
>> Nanaimo, BC
>> Canada
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
>> Sent: February-25-14 7:40 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] How did I miss this?
>>
>> Nodding off in my rocking chair I guess?
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_(interface)
>>
>>
>
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From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Tue Feb 25 14:52:38 2014
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 14:52:38 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] How did I miss this?
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAugJH7W-tUKa3qbPkcA01qnAfh5nHMeeOBaX2yA98gorA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201402252052.s1PKqgfB018824@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey All
Better with wine. Stick my finger down my throat. This is just a little old
man that halve the time does not where he is and what he is really doing.

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack drawbridge
Sent: February-25-14 2:45 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How did I miss this?

I was just going to say I don't think he has time to nod off.  There's the
DBFH,
building, rebuilding and optimizing servers and PCs, keeping abreast with
SQL Server optimization articles, installing SSD and more RAM than any of
us can imagine, answer AccessD.......

I think JC is like wine --better with age.

Hang in there John.


On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 3:40 PM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> And it only gets worse!  ;)
>
>
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 2/25/2014 3:34 PM, Tony Septav wrote:
>
>> Hey John
>> You have been nodding off ever since I met you online.  Come on GrandPa
>> wake
>> up.
>>
>> Tony Septav
>> Nanaimo, BC
>> Canada
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
>> Sent: February-25-14 7:40 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] How did I miss this?
>>
>> Nodding off in my rocking chair I guess?
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_(interface)
>>
>>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Feb 25 15:50:42 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 14:50:42 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1j24Um_n6T0G2Zj3oPNnykCcy+ffiV=-CVjCdgcY1B44w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1768854278.670188.1393365042987.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Arthur:

I see Windows 8.x as a great user computer...but in a full office environment it becomes hard to use. 

My thought is, "Why should the system have to be adapted to?", with all sorts of third-party apps just so it becomes business friendly. People, in an office, need a number of applications open just to do their work...for around home and just play, Windows 8.x is great. But then the question has to be asked then why not just get an iPad for home use?

Back in the day, when Windows 95 was first introduced, the company I was working for, put on a number of training sessions and these training sessions were very well attended. We also went from office to office giving training in certain programs. Introducing Windows was not a minor task...but after a while  people just got-it. Microsoft, in those days, gave a number of open conferences for the tech and user community. Again, they were well attended. It is amazing how quickly everyone forgets just how hard it was introducing the new windows and the new Office. The UI did not appear obvious to all but everyone really wanted to learn.

Today it is a similar problem but this time the average user, or anyone for that matter, is on their own and must figure out things by themselves. What results is that a few figure some way to do something, other figure out another way and some just quit as there are many simple alternatives, that just work.

Jim          

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 25 February, 2014 12:05:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase

IMHO, you folks are all pussies and refuse to see what's great about
Windows 8. With the proviso that you download and install ClassicShell
(google it). This free tool goes a long way toward making Windows 8
palatable for old-timers. In fact it goes further than that; it's smarter
and better than the old classic start menu.

Even without this wonderful tool, there are a few key things you can do to
smarten up your startup tile UI: most notably, you can drag the tiles into
an arrangement of your choice, and also create groups of tiles containing
associated programs (i.e. a Media group, a SQL group, etc. And most
significantly, you can drag your most frequently-visited programs to the
top left of the tile groups. In my tile setup, the first tile is Desktop. I
have two monitors and the desktop opens on the large monitor. I also make
extensive use of the QuickLaunch bar, and the programs soon learn which
monitor they should load on.

That custom setup accomplished, you are now in a position to see some of
the startup, performance and memory management advantages of Windows 8.1. I
can only say that I'd never consider going back to Windows 7. I still have
a copy of it, but it's on a separate box entirely, and I find myself using
that box less and less -- just for large downloads and for running Ubuntu
Linux.

I have one more customization of the Win 8.1 laptop planned. I recently
read a net piece on how to hook up two external monitors to a laptop.
That's next. I'll have three monitors, two external and the laptop monitor.
That will be very cool.

My $0.02.

Arthur
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Tue Feb 25 16:21:48 2014
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 17:21:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ad I missed this
In-Reply-To: <530CB3A5.8060701@gmail.com>
References: <530CA5B3.8090705@gmail.com>
	<CAGuQ9V7cwWfOHyiaFTCASrRZ9bLV1H86CGjqVzziZpr4KU97zA@mail.gmail.com>
	<530CB3A5.8060701@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V4C-0SWsfeof00Aby6zEB0aXngpW7kj80gnDWm7=T0G8A@mail.gmail.com>

Well one of the ads on that page mentions the Oculus Rift which allegedly
lets you inhabit someone else's body, if that is not god mode I don't know
what is... but I can't make heads or tails of those registry hacks.


On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 10:15 AM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> That is a mighty fine question.  I got one working, their example in the
> main article, but not the other 12.
>
>
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 2/25/2014 10:11 AM, William Benson wrote:
>
>> John what does one do with those class ids? (If that is what the are).
>>
>> The article may give more background but I was struggling to read on a
>> smartphone.
>> On Feb 25, 2014 9:17 AM, "John W Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Zzzzzz.......
>>>
>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/news/GodMode-Windows-7-How-to,9345.html
>>>
>>>  http://www.tomshardware.com/news/GodMode-Windows-7-Secret-
>> Shortcuts,9373.html
>>
>>> --
>>> John W. Colby
>>>
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>
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From dbdoug at gmail.com  Tue Feb 25 18:51:03 2014
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 16:51:03 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
In-Reply-To: <1768854278.670188.1393365042987.JavaMail.root@cds002>
References: <CAEPJO1j24Um_n6T0G2Zj3oPNnykCcy+ffiV=-CVjCdgcY1B44w@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAFa8NkgZ4U_8EOPuDJRKeo8WvDSUF0d0wasUg6z-ac=J_CyyEw@mail.gmail.com>

I have been the Windows go-to guy for several families and a couple of my
old employers for many years.  I helped a friend buy a new laptop with
Windows 8.0 on it last year.  I swear that I had the most frustrating two
hours of my entire computer career when I turned that thing on and tried to
get it working with Office.  I ended up stuck with full screen windows
many, many times and had to keep re-booting to start again.

I understand now what my problem was - expecting the Metro interface to be
like yet another shallow shell on top of 'real' Windows.  But  for a while
I was shrieking and cursing like never before.  I notice now that my
friend, who is not exactly a power user, switches to the Windows desktop as
soon as she can, and hardly ever uses the Metro interface.

Just as a contrast, I will never forget watching my 90 year old father pick
up my new iPad and instantly figure out,  with no help from me, how to use
it productively.

Doug


On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Arthur:
>
> I see Windows 8.x as a great user computer...but in a full office
> environment it becomes hard to use.
>
> My thought is, "Why should the system have to be adapted to?", with all
> sorts of third-party apps just so it becomes business friendly. People, in
> an office, need a number of applications open just to do their work...for
> around home and just play, Windows 8.x is great. But then the question has
> to be asked then why not just get an iPad for home use?
>
> Back in the day, when Windows 95 was first introduced, the company I was
> working for, put on a number of training sessions and these training
> sessions were very well attended. We also went from office to office giving
> training in certain programs. Introducing Windows was not a minor
> task...but after a while  people just got-it. Microsoft, in those days,
> gave a number of open conferences for the tech and user community. Again,
> they were well attended. It is amazing how quickly everyone forgets just
> how hard it was introducing the new windows and the new Office. The UI did
> not appear obvious to all but everyone really wanted to learn.
>
> Today it is a similar problem but this time the average user, or anyone
> for that matter, is on their own and must figure out things by themselves.
> What results is that a few figure some way to do something, other figure
> out another way and some just quit as there are many simple alternatives,
> that just work.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, 25 February, 2014 12:05:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
>
> IMHO, you folks are all pussies and refuse to see what's great about
> Windows 8. With the proviso that you download and install ClassicShell
> (google it). This free tool goes a long way toward making Windows 8
> palatable for old-timers. In fact it goes further than that; it's smarter
> and better than the old classic start menu.
>
> Even without this wonderful tool, there are a few key things you can do to
> smarten up your startup tile UI: most notably, you can drag the tiles into
> an arrangement of your choice, and also create groups of tiles containing
> associated programs (i.e. a Media group, a SQL group, etc. And most
> significantly, you can drag your most frequently-visited programs to the
> top left of the tile groups. In my tile setup, the first tile is Desktop. I
> have two monitors and the desktop opens on the large monitor. I also make
> extensive use of the QuickLaunch bar, and the programs soon learn which
> monitor they should load on.
>
> That custom setup accomplished, you are now in a position to see some of
> the startup, performance and memory management advantages of Windows 8.1. I
> can only say that I'd never consider going back to Windows 7. I still have
> a copy of it, but it's on a separate box entirely, and I find myself using
> that box less and less -- just for large downloads and for running Ubuntu
> Linux.
>
> I have one more customization of the Win 8.1 laptop planned. I recently
> read a net piece on how to hook up two external monitors to a laptop.
> That's next. I'll have three monitors, two external and the laptop monitor.
> That will be very cool.
>
> My $0.02.
>
> Arthur
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From kathryn at bassett.net  Tue Feb 25 18:52:12 2014
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 16:52:12 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Save a concatenate to another field
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Got it - wonderful !!
When I first opened the query in design view I was thrown because I didn't
see anything. I'm not well-versed in writing directly in SQL. But when I
changed to SQL view, I saw what you wrote. I will keep this version of the
database to use as an example. I've now copied it into the original and
updated it.

Thank you so much!
Kathryn

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Bond
> Sent: 24 Feb 2014 11:19 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Save a concatenate to another field
> 
> Kathryn
> 
> I downloaded and built an update query.  The SQL is
> 
> UPDATE Genealogies SET Genealogies.Title = [TitleProper] & " " &
> [SecondaryTitle] & " " & [SubTitle];
> 
> This works for me.  I have uploaded your db with Query to SendSpace, you
> should get a notification.
> 
> 
> Stephen Bond
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn
> Bassett
> Sent: Tuesday, 25 February 2014 7:31 p.m.
> To: Stephen
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Save a concatenate to another field
> 
> I get errors. Here's the database:
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/iwqoor4rwd2o8hg/ConnerBishopHistories.acc
> db
> 
> Run the Genealogies query. ID 349 is the first record I'm trying to
> concatenate. I see the results in the Expr1 field. I want to put that
> concatenated info into the Title field.
> 
> Don't be concerned with the other tables, and yes, I know the whole db is
> not properly titled (like tblGenealogies etc) and it's all flat vs
relational, but
> that is something for down the road. Right now this is what I've go to
work
> with.
> 
> I know I need to make it an update query, I just need the right SQL to do
> what I want.
> 
> Kathryn
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > You could use an update query.  Air code, something like:
> >
> > UPDATE tblMyNewTable
> > SET tblMyNewTable.NewTitle  = [tblOld].[TitleProper]& " " &
> > [tblOld].[SecondaryTitle] & " " & [tblOld].[SubTitle] WHERE
> tblOld.TitleID
> =
> > tblMyNewTable.TitleID
> >
> > Should get you close.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Darryl.
> 
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From kathryn at bassett.net  Tue Feb 25 19:55:30 2014
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 17:55:30 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] RUN??? Save a concatenate to another field
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAACwHTXaF00JBocE62qELWDoBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>

I'm working on the Histories table now. After changing the existing Title to
Title1, and adding a new Title field, I changed the query SQL so that it is:

UPDATE Histories SET Histories.Title = [Title1] & " " & [SubTitle] & " " &
[SubTitle2];

However, when I click on Run, I get "The action or event has been blocked by
Disabled Mode". What does that mean, and how do I fix it?

Kathryn


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Feb 25 20:08:15 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 21:08:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
In-Reply-To: <CAFa8NkgZ4U_8EOPuDJRKeo8WvDSUF0d0wasUg6z-ac=J_CyyEw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1j24Um_n6T0G2Zj3oPNnykCcy+ffiV=-CVjCdgcY1B44w@mail.gmail.com>	<1768854278.670188.1393365042987.JavaMail.root@cds002>
	<CAFa8NkgZ4U_8EOPuDJRKeo8WvDSUF0d0wasUg6z-ac=J_CyyEw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <530D4C8F.6020901@gmail.com>

And look out if you are dropped into Windows 8 as the only available computer, nothing else to 
Google for help with.  I guarantee that you will get NOWHERE.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/25/2014 7:51 PM, Doug Steele wrote:
> I have been the Windows go-to guy for several families and a couple of my
> old employers for many years.  I helped a friend buy a new laptop with
> Windows 8.0 on it last year.  I swear that I had the most frustrating two
> hours of my entire computer career when I turned that thing on and tried to
> get it working with Office.  I ended up stuck with full screen windows
> many, many times and had to keep re-booting to start again.
>
> I understand now what my problem was - expecting the Metro interface to be
> like yet another shallow shell on top of 'real' Windows.  But  for a while
> I was shrieking and cursing like never before.  I notice now that my
> friend, who is not exactly a power user, switches to the Windows desktop as
> soon as she can, and hardly ever uses the Metro interface.
>
> Just as a contrast, I will never forget watching my 90 year old father pick
> up my new iPad and instantly figure out,  with no help from me, how to use
> it productively.
>
> Doug
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> Hi Arthur:
>>
>> I see Windows 8.x as a great user computer...but in a full office
>> environment it becomes hard to use.
>>
>> My thought is, "Why should the system have to be adapted to?", with all
>> sorts of third-party apps just so it becomes business friendly. People, in
>> an office, need a number of applications open just to do their work...for
>> around home and just play, Windows 8.x is great. But then the question has
>> to be asked then why not just get an iPad for home use?
>>
>> Back in the day, when Windows 95 was first introduced, the company I was
>> working for, put on a number of training sessions and these training
>> sessions were very well attended. We also went from office to office giving
>> training in certain programs. Introducing Windows was not a minor
>> task...but after a while  people just got-it. Microsoft, in those days,
>> gave a number of open conferences for the tech and user community. Again,
>> they were well attended. It is amazing how quickly everyone forgets just
>> how hard it was introducing the new windows and the new Office. The UI did
>> not appear obvious to all but everyone really wanted to learn.
>>
>> Today it is a similar problem but this time the average user, or anyone
>> for that matter, is on their own and must figure out things by themselves.
>> What results is that a few figure some way to do something, other figure
>> out another way and some just quit as there are many simple alternatives,
>> that just work.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
>> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, 25 February, 2014 12:05:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
>>
>> IMHO, you folks are all pussies and refuse to see what's great about
>> Windows 8. With the proviso that you download and install ClassicShell
>> (google it). This free tool goes a long way toward making Windows 8
>> palatable for old-timers. In fact it goes further than that; it's smarter
>> and better than the old classic start menu.
>>
>> Even without this wonderful tool, there are a few key things you can do to
>> smarten up your startup tile UI: most notably, you can drag the tiles into
>> an arrangement of your choice, and also create groups of tiles containing
>> associated programs (i.e. a Media group, a SQL group, etc. And most
>> significantly, you can drag your most frequently-visited programs to the
>> top left of the tile groups. In my tile setup, the first tile is Desktop. I
>> have two monitors and the desktop opens on the large monitor. I also make
>> extensive use of the QuickLaunch bar, and the programs soon learn which
>> monitor they should load on.
>>
>> That custom setup accomplished, you are now in a position to see some of
>> the startup, performance and memory management advantages of Windows 8.1. I
>> can only say that I'd never consider going back to Windows 7. I still have
>> a copy of it, but it's on a separate box entirely, and I find myself using
>> that box less and less -- just for large downloads and for running Ubuntu
>> Linux.
>>
>> I have one more customization of the Win 8.1 laptop planned. I recently
>> read a net piece on how to hook up two external monitors to a laptop.
>> That's next. I'll have three monitors, two external and the laptop monitor.
>> That will be very cool.
>>
>> My $0.02.
>>
>> Arthur
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Feb 25 20:13:04 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 21:13:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
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References: <1768854278.670188.1393365042987.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <530D4DB0.3040908@gmail.com>

BTW, Arthur's 2c is really only worth 1.73c American so take him with a grain of salt.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/25/2014 4:50 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi Arthur:
>
> I see Windows 8.x as a great user computer...but in a full office environment it becomes hard to use.
>
> My thought is, "Why should the system have to be adapted to?", with all sorts of third-party apps just so it becomes business friendly. People, in an office, need a number of applications open just to do their work...for around home and just play, Windows 8.x is great. But then the question has to be asked then why not just get an iPad for home use?
>
> Back in the day, when Windows 95 was first introduced, the company I was working for, put on a number of training sessions and these training sessions were very well attended. We also went from office to office giving training in certain programs. Introducing Windows was not a minor task...but after a while  people just got-it. Microsoft, in those days, gave a number of open conferences for the tech and user community. Again, they were well attended. It is amazing how quickly everyone forgets just how hard it was introducing the new windows and the new Office. The UI did not appear obvious to all but everyone really wanted to learn.
>
> Today it is a similar problem but this time the average user, or anyone for that matter, is on their own and must figure out things by themselves. What results is that a few figure some way to do something, other figure out another way and some just quit as there are many simple alternatives, that just work.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, 25 February, 2014 12:05:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
>
> IMHO, you folks are all pussies and refuse to see what's great about
> Windows 8. With the proviso that you download and install ClassicShell
> (google it). This free tool goes a long way toward making Windows 8
> palatable for old-timers. In fact it goes further than that; it's smarter
> and better than the old classic start menu.
>
> Even without this wonderful tool, there are a few key things you can do to
> smarten up your startup tile UI: most notably, you can drag the tiles into
> an arrangement of your choice, and also create groups of tiles containing
> associated programs (i.e. a Media group, a SQL group, etc. And most
> significantly, you can drag your most frequently-visited programs to the
> top left of the tile groups. In my tile setup, the first tile is Desktop. I
> have two monitors and the desktop opens on the large monitor. I also make
> extensive use of the QuickLaunch bar, and the programs soon learn which
> monitor they should load on.
>
> That custom setup accomplished, you are now in a position to see some of
> the startup, performance and memory management advantages of Windows 8.1. I
> can only say that I'd never consider going back to Windows 7. I still have
> a copy of it, but it's on a separate box entirely, and I find myself using
> that box less and less -- just for large downloads and for running Ubuntu
> Linux.
>
> I have one more customization of the Win 8.1 laptop planned. I recently
> read a net piece on how to hook up two external monitors to a laptop.
> That's next. I'll have three monitors, two external and the laptop monitor.
> That will be very cool.
>
> My $0.02.
>
> Arthur


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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Feb 25 20:19:56 2014
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 02:19:56 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] RUN??? Save a concatenate to another field
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This might help

<< https://office.microsoft.com/en-au/access-help/stop-disabled-mode-from-blocking-a-query-HA010256403.aspx>>

Regards
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn Bassett
Sent: Wednesday, 26 February 2014 12:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] RUN??? Save a concatenate to another field

I'm working on the Histories table now. After changing the existing Title to Title1, and adding a new Title field, I changed the query SQL so that it is:

UPDATE Histories SET Histories.Title = [Title1] & " " & [SubTitle] & " " & [SubTitle2];

However, when I click on Run, I get "The action or event has been blocked by Disabled Mode". What does that mean, and how do I fix it?

Kathryn

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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Feb 25 20:27:18 2014
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 02:27:18 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
In-Reply-To: <530D4C8F.6020901@gmail.com>
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I concur John,

Windows 8 reminds me of some needy types I have met.  In their attempt to be agreeable and please everyone, they end up annoying and confusing the hell out of all comers.  Windows 8 is really two OS's in one.  For example the Metro IE is not the same as the desktop IE - and they want the average user to 'get' that they are completely separate?  Talk about a bipolar approach.

I am waiting to see what windows 9 brings, in the meantime I keep using my Windows 7 OS disks for clean installs and getting folks to buy the required lic online.

Tried W8, didn't like it, wouldn't recommend it.

I also loathe the latest fashion of 'hiding' everything (such as menus, preferences, options etc).  Talk about dumbing down the system.

Regards
Darryl.






-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
Sent: Wednesday, 26 February 2014 1:08 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase

And look out if you are dropped into Windows 8 as the only available computer, nothing else to Google for help with.  I guarantee that you will get NOWHERE.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/25/2014 7:51 PM, Doug Steele wrote:
> I have been the Windows go-to guy for several families and a couple of 
> my old employers for many years.  I helped a friend buy a new laptop 
> with Windows 8.0 on it last year.  I swear that I had the most 
> frustrating two hours of my entire computer career when I turned that 
> thing on and tried to get it working with Office.  I ended up stuck 
> with full screen windows many, many times and had to keep re-booting to start again.
>
> I understand now what my problem was - expecting the Metro interface 
> to be like yet another shallow shell on top of 'real' Windows.  But  
> for a while I was shrieking and cursing like never before.  I notice 
> now that my friend, who is not exactly a power user, switches to the 
> Windows desktop as soon as she can, and hardly ever uses the Metro interface.
>
> Just as a contrast, I will never forget watching my 90 year old father 
> pick up my new iPad and instantly figure out,  with no help from me, 
> how to use it productively.
>
> Doug
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> Hi Arthur:
>>
>> I see Windows 8.x as a great user computer...but in a full office 
>> environment it becomes hard to use.
>>
>> My thought is, "Why should the system have to be adapted to?", with 
>> all sorts of third-party apps just so it becomes business friendly. 
>> People, in an office, need a number of applications open just to do 
>> their work...for around home and just play, Windows 8.x is great. But 
>> then the question has to be asked then why not just get an iPad for home use?
>>
>> Back in the day, when Windows 95 was first introduced, the company I 
>> was working for, put on a number of training sessions and these 
>> training sessions were very well attended. We also went from office 
>> to office giving training in certain programs. Introducing Windows 
>> was not a minor task...but after a while  people just got-it. 
>> Microsoft, in those days, gave a number of open conferences for the 
>> tech and user community. Again, they were well attended. It is 
>> amazing how quickly everyone forgets just how hard it was introducing 
>> the new windows and the new Office. The UI did not appear obvious to all but everyone really wanted to learn.
>>
>> Today it is a similar problem but this time the average user, or 
>> anyone for that matter, is on their own and must figure out things by themselves.
>> What results is that a few figure some way to do something, other 
>> figure out another way and some just quit as there are many simple 
>> alternatives, that just work.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" < 
>> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, 25 February, 2014 12:05:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
>>
>> IMHO, you folks are all pussies and refuse to see what's great about 
>> Windows 8. With the proviso that you download and install 
>> ClassicShell (google it). This free tool goes a long way toward 
>> making Windows 8 palatable for old-timers. In fact it goes further 
>> than that; it's smarter and better than the old classic start menu.
>>
>> Even without this wonderful tool, there are a few key things you can 
>> do to smarten up your startup tile UI: most notably, you can drag the 
>> tiles into an arrangement of your choice, and also create groups of 
>> tiles containing associated programs (i.e. a Media group, a SQL 
>> group, etc. And most significantly, you can drag your most 
>> frequently-visited programs to the top left of the tile groups. In my 
>> tile setup, the first tile is Desktop. I have two monitors and the 
>> desktop opens on the large monitor. I also make extensive use of the 
>> QuickLaunch bar, and the programs soon learn which monitor they should load on.
>>
>> That custom setup accomplished, you are now in a position to see some 
>> of the startup, performance and memory management advantages of 
>> Windows 8.1. I can only say that I'd never consider going back to 
>> Windows 7. I still have a copy of it, but it's on a separate box 
>> entirely, and I find myself using that box less and less -- just for 
>> large downloads and for running Ubuntu Linux.
>>
>> I have one more customization of the Win 8.1 laptop planned. I 
>> recently read a net piece on how to hook up two external monitors to a laptop.
>> That's next. I'll have three monitors, two external and the laptop monitor.
>> That will be very cool.
>>
>> My $0.02.
>>
>> Arthur
>> --
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From kathryn at bassett.net  Tue Feb 25 22:10:21 2014
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 20:10:21 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] RUN??? Save a concatenate to another field
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That worked, thanks!

Kathryn

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
> Sent: 25 Feb 2014 6:20 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] RUN??? Save a concatenate to another field
> 
> This might help
> 
> << https://office.microsoft.com/en-au/access-help/stop-disabled-mode-
> from-blocking-a-query-HA010256403.aspx>>


From kathryn at bassett.net  Tue Feb 25 22:49:10 2014
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 20:49:10 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Converting case
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On to another. Googling gets me some answers for Excel, but not Access.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/c5cg7uji1kkhr0i/ConnerBishopHistoriesPlay.accdb

In the Histories table, I converted the Country field using Find/Replace.
But I don't relish the time required to do that with StateProvince, County,
and Town. Is there a quick way to change those to first letter upper case,
rest lower case?

For instance NOVA SCOTIA to Nova Scotia, SAINT JEAN to Saint Jean, CLARKE
COUNTY to Clarke County?

--
Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net?? 





From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Tue Feb 25 23:58:46 2014
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 18:58:46 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Converting case
In-Reply-To: <172E3774CC114A388122B1413C8E9597@BondSoftware.local>
References: <172E3774CC114A388122B1413C8E9597@BondSoftware.local>
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http://support.microsoft.com/kb/815282

Method 1 looks promising


Stephen 



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn Bassett
Sent: Wednesday, 26 February 2014 6:00 p.m.
To: Stephen
Subject: [AccessD] Converting case

On to another. Googling gets me some answers for Excel, but not Access.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/c5cg7uji1kkhr0i/ConnerBishopHistoriesPlay.accdb

In the Histories table, I converted the Country field using Find/Replace.
But I don't relish the time required to do that with StateProvince, County,
and Town. Is there a quick way to change those to first letter upper case,
rest lower case?

For instance NOVA SCOTIA to Nova Scotia, SAINT JEAN to Saint Jean, CLARKE
COUNTY to Clarke County?

--
Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net?? 




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From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Wed Feb 26 00:26:26 2014
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 06:26:26 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Converting case
In-Reply-To: <F35C4737E33A6543BC69DFB19CB5748F106BC8@bsserver.BondSoftware.local>
References: <172E3774CC114A388122B1413C8E9597@BondSoftware.local>
	<F35C4737E33A6543BC69DFB19CB5748F106BC8@bsserver.BondSoftware.local>
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was just going to say isn't there a StrConv() function in Access ?

Paul


On 26 February 2014 05:58, Stephen Bond <stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz> wrote:

> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/815282
>
> Method 1 looks promising
>
>
> Stephen
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn Bassett
> Sent: Wednesday, 26 February 2014 6:00 p.m.
> To: Stephen
> Subject: [AccessD] Converting case
>
> On to another. Googling gets me some answers for Excel, but not Access.
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/c5cg7uji1kkhr0i/ConnerBishopHistoriesPlay.accdb
>
> In the Histories table, I converted the Country field using Find/Replace.
> But I don't relish the time required to do that with StateProvince, County,
> and Town. Is there a quick way to change those to first letter upper case,
> rest lower case?
>
> For instance NOVA SCOTIA to Nova Scotia, SAINT JEAN to Saint Jean, CLARKE
> COUNTY to Clarke County?
>
> --
> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net
>
>
>
>
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From rbgajewski at roadrunner.com  Wed Feb 26 00:26:56 2014
From: rbgajewski at roadrunner.com (Bob Gajewski)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 01:26:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Converting case
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	<F35C4737E33A6543BC69DFB19CB5748F106BC8@bsserver.BondSoftware.local>
Message-ID: <000001cf32bb$bf9dd9a0$3ed98ce0$@roadrunner.com>

Temp = StrConv(Temp, vbProperCase)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Bond
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 00:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Converting case

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/815282

Method 1 looks promising


Stephen 



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn Bassett
Sent: Wednesday, 26 February 2014 6:00 p.m.
To: Stephen
Subject: [AccessD] Converting case

On to another. Googling gets me some answers for Excel, but not Access.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/c5cg7uji1kkhr0i/ConnerBishopHistoriesPlay.accdb

In the Histories table, I converted the Country field using Find/Replace.
But I don't relish the time required to do that with StateProvince, County,
and Town. Is there a quick way to change those to first letter upper case,
rest lower case?

For instance NOVA SCOTIA to Nova Scotia, SAINT JEAN to Saint Jean, CLARKE
COUNTY to Clarke County?

--
Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net?? 




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From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Wed Feb 26 00:55:34 2014
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 06:55:34 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Manufacturing Application
Message-ID: <CALGJE94+NsQ1coBJdYQXct=4syob53nQQ3dOtaEckVr5aA9wMQ@mail.gmail.com>

To all,

Has anyone had any experience in designing and developing a manufacturing
application, I am trying to find a database model or example database to
get an exact idea of requirements, basically a friend of mine works as head
accountant for a specialist paint manufacturer and he says there just isn't
anything out there to do exactly what they require, so being clever I said
I would offer my services to try and get something as close as possible to
what they require, then a few hours later realising that I had never worked
on a manufacturer process, I have emailed him asking for the processes and
materials they use for the manufacturing process, but wanted to try and get
a head start.

Any help or pointers for this would be appreciated.

-- 
Paul Hartland
paul.hartland at googlemail.com

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Feb 26 00:56:31 2014
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 16:56:31 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Converting case
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Update tblHistories 
Set StateProvince = STRCONV(StateProvince,3),
      County =  STRCONV(County,3),
      Town = STRCONV(Town,3)



On 25 Feb 2014 at 20:49, Kathryn Bassett wrote:

> On to another. Googling gets me some answers for Excel, but not
> Access.
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/c5cg7uji1kkhr0i/ConnerBishopHistoriesPlay.ac
> cdb
> 
> In the Histories table, I converted the Country field using
> Find/Replace. But I don't relish the time required to do that with
> StateProvince, County, and Town. Is there a quick way to change those
> to first letter upper case, rest lower case?
> 
> For instance NOVA SCOTIA to Nova Scotia, SAINT JEAN to Saint Jean,
> CLARKE COUNTY to Clarke County?
> 
> --
> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net?? 
> 
> 
> 
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From kathryn at bassett.net  Wed Feb 26 00:57:26 2014
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 22:57:26 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Converting case
In-Reply-To: <F35C4737E33A6543BC69DFB19CB5748F106BC8@bsserver.BondSoftware.local>
References: <172E3774CC114A388122B1413C8E9597@BondSoftware.local>
	<F35C4737E33A6543BC69DFB19CB5748F106BC8@bsserver.BondSoftware.local>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAAIaeluvlt19MjUL+RT01+8oBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>

Thanks, I'll give it a try tomorrow.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Bond
> Sent: 25 Feb 2014 9:59 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Converting case
> 
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/815282
> 
> Method 1 looks promising
> 
> 
> Stephen
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn Bassett
> Sent: Wednesday, 26 February 2014 6:00 p.m.
> To: Stephen
> Subject: [AccessD] Converting case
> 
> On to another. Googling gets me some answers for Excel, but not Access.
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/c5cg7uji1kkhr0i/ConnerBishopHistoriesPlay.acc
> db
> 
> In the Histories table, I converted the Country field using Find/Replace.
> But I don't relish the time required to do that with StateProvince,
County,
> and Town. Is there a quick way to change those to first letter upper case,
rest
> lower case?
> 
> For instance NOVA SCOTIA to Nova Scotia, SAINT JEAN to Saint Jean, CLARKE
> COUNTY to Clarke County?
> 
> --
> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net
> 
> 
> 
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Wed Feb 26 02:08:04 2014
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 08:08:04 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
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I am sort of in both camps here

I have 8.1 Pro on tablets with Office Pro Plus and its fine. I hate the 2 interfaces though and wish they had made the leap one way or the other. iPad in a work environment is totally useless other than email and browser. Windows Pro 8.1 Pro on a tablet is a working machine once you get used to it. I also have an iPad and my kids hate it because they can only do one thing at a time on it, can't use Word, PowerPoint etc, the open in stuff drives them nuts.

I am also running a pilot with Windows 8.1 Pro tablets and so far user response has been great and we use no third party apps at all. But I do hate the way it bounces you between metro and the desktop. Drives me nuts. Windows Tablets here outside the pilot I run seem to be the user device of choice now. That really surprised me as we were thinking it would be iPADS.

Martin


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 25 February 2014 21:51
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase

Hi Arthur:

I see Windows 8.x as a great user computer...but in a full office environment it becomes hard to use. 

My thought is, "Why should the system have to be adapted to?", with all sorts of third-party apps just so it becomes business friendly. People, in an office, need a number of applications open just to do their work...for around home and just play, Windows 8.x is great. But then the question has to be asked then why not just get an iPad for home use?

Back in the day, when Windows 95 was first introduced, the company I was working for, put on a number of training sessions and these training sessions were very well attended. We also went from office to office giving training in certain programs. Introducing Windows was not a minor task...but after a while  people just got-it. Microsoft, in those days, gave a number of open conferences for the tech and user community. Again, they were well attended. It is amazing how quickly everyone forgets just how hard it was introducing the new windows and the new Office. The UI did not appear obvious to all but everyone really wanted to learn.

Today it is a similar problem but this time the average user, or anyone for that matter, is on their own and must figure out things by themselves. What results is that a few figure some way to do something, other figure out another way and some just quit as there are many simple alternatives, that just work.

Jim          

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 25 February, 2014 12:05:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase

IMHO, you folks are all pussies and refuse to see what's great about Windows 8. With the proviso that you download and install ClassicShell (google it). This free tool goes a long way toward making Windows 8 palatable for old-timers. In fact it goes further than that; it's smarter and better than the old classic start menu.

Even without this wonderful tool, there are a few key things you can do to smarten up your startup tile UI: most notably, you can drag the tiles into an arrangement of your choice, and also create groups of tiles containing associated programs (i.e. a Media group, a SQL group, etc. And most significantly, you can drag your most frequently-visited programs to the top left of the tile groups. In my tile setup, the first tile is Desktop. I have two monitors and the desktop opens on the large monitor. I also make extensive use of the QuickLaunch bar, and the programs soon learn which monitor they should load on.

That custom setup accomplished, you are now in a position to see some of the startup, performance and memory management advantages of Windows 8.1. I can only say that I'd never consider going back to Windows 7. I still have a copy of it, but it's on a separate box entirely, and I find myself using that box less and less -- just for large downloads and for running Ubuntu Linux.

I have one more customization of the Win 8.1 laptop planned. I recently read a net piece on how to hook up two external monitors to a laptop.
That's next. I'll have three monitors, two external and the laptop monitor.
That will be very cool.

My $0.02.

Arthur
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Feb 26 02:55:56 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 08:55:56 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
Message-ID: <de1a373f65a644d1afe98921dba6d756@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Arthur

You nailed it as usual. I was playing with words like stubborn old farts, but pussies is much nicer!

I've used Windows 8 (now 8.1 of course) on my home workstation since the very first developer edition (with the wonderful fish on the desktop) and with zero add-ons as I've never been a fan of the small and miserable and messy Start menu. It's an outdated left-over from Windows 95 (seems like everyone have forgotten how MS was ridiculed when it introduced).
We still run Win7 and a little WinXP at the office but we seriously consider moving to Win8 after the next update.

As I have mentioned before, the Metro/Modern UI is a masterpiece in design, and if you can't "see" this, it is because of exactly this, that excellent design doesn't stand forward, it only supports the function - and if you don't realize this, just borrow a Mac for a moment and study what old-fashioned is about, indeed the ugly animation that sucks windows when they are minimized and the sloshing icons at the bottom. I guess you get used to it, but it makes me feel sick.

Of course, as a developer I mostly use the desktop of Win8. Also, my 27" monitor has no touch, so the Metro interface is mouse only for me. But the organization of icons in groups on the Start screen is a big progress compared to the multilevel Start menu of Win7-.

Further, it is like most look at Win8 as Win7 with another interface. That is not so. It is faster, and with an SSD drive you have finally reached what a computer should be: Instantly on and off with sleep mode, and only few seconds to the login screen from a cold boot.

Finally, as Martin mentions, where Windows 8 really shines is on a tablet. We have a Surface Pro 2, a wonderful machine, and I have used the old desktop on that. It is doable, but don't forget your glasses or the pen-pointer. It is not productive, and if that would have been the only option, people would have bashed MS, much like what happened with the old Windows Mobile. Something had to be done, and the Metro/Modern touch interface is the answer. Apps can be snipped/snapped in and out and you quickly feel at home.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller
Sendt: 25. februar 2014 21:05
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase

IMHO, you folks are all pussies and refuse to see what's great about Windows 8. With the proviso that you download and install ClassicShell (google it). This free tool goes a long way toward making Windows 8 palatable for old-timers. In fact it goes further than that; it's smarter and better than the old classic start menu.

Even without this wonderful tool, there are a few key things you can do to smarten up your startup tile UI: most notably, you can drag the tiles into an arrangement of your choice, and also create groups of tiles containing associated programs (i.e. a Media group, a SQL group, etc. And most significantly, you can drag your most frequently-visited programs to the top left of the tile groups. In my tile setup, the first tile is Desktop. I have two monitors and the desktop opens on the large monitor. I also make extensive use of the QuickLaunch bar, and the programs soon learn which monitor they should load on.

That custom setup accomplished, you are now in a position to see some of the startup, performance and memory management advantages of Windows 8.1. I can only say that I'd never consider going back to Windows 7. I still have a copy of it, but it's on a separate box entirely, and I find myself using that box less and less -- just for large downloads and for running Ubuntu Linux.

I have one more customization of the Win 8.1 laptop planned. I recently read a net piece on how to hook up two external monitors to a laptop.
That's next. I'll have three monitors, two external and the laptop monitor.
That will be very cool.

My $0.02.

Arthur 


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 06:50:48 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 07:50:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
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Gustav,

I would remind you that Windows has had a desktop FOREVER.  You are free to place pretty icons on it 
to represent your programs, and go there to click on things to start them.  You can even buy third 
party programs to lasso them into groups.  Microsoft could easily have applied their magic to the 
existing desktop.  And I would also remind you that if you don't like all of the Windows 7 "pretty", 
you can go in and click the "optimize for performance" which gets rid of the aero glass, the 
animations etc.  Voila, you are back to Windows XP look, though not quite the bland sucky look of 
Windows 8.  I am quite sure they could have added an "optimize for Windows 8 bland sucky look" 
button that you could check to get rid of the last vestiges of "pretty".

I don't know how many people read this, from a member of the design team:

http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-8-ux-designer-on-metro-it-is-the-antithesis-of-a-power-user

But a couple of things stand out.

 >>>

Miller continued on to explain that the design team split users into two groups:/content 
creators/and/content consumers/:

  * *Content creators*were explained to be power users: they have multiple windows open across
    multiple monitors, they sometimes even have virtual machines that also have their own nested
    levels of complexity.
  * *Content consumers*were explained to be casual users who just use basic social media platforms,
    view photos, and so on. They were described as the computer illiterate younger siblings, the
    older grandparents, or the mother "who just wants to look up apple pie recipes."

*Windows 8 was designed for the latter group: the content consumers.* This is also where Metro stems 
from: it is a platform that is "simple, clear, *and does one thing (and only one thing) relatively 
easily.*" Miller described Metro as***/the antithesis of a power user/*.

 >>>
/"Our hands were bound, and our users were annoyed with their rented jackets. So what did we do? We 
separated the users into two groups. Casual and Power. We made two separate playgrounds for them. 
All the casual users would have their own new and shiny place to look at pictures of cats - Metro. 
The power users would then have free reign over their native domain - the desktop."/- Miller
 >>>

Except that they intentionally crippled the desktop for the power user.  How can you claim that the 
power user has free reign over his playground when the start menu and task bar are gone and they 
refuse to give it back?  And that metro apps (and all future apps) refuse to minimize or size?  That 
windowing is intentionally crippled.

Does that sound like "free reign" to you?


The fact that some people like a desktop as the primary OS interface doesn't make it better, it just 
makes it better for those who like it.  Those of us who don't like it?

"Fuck you, get used to it" appears to be the attitude.

Free reign?

Humans seem to have a "I like things this way so it must be better" attitude built in.  The fact 
that you like the new interface doesn't make it better, it just means you like it.  I am happy for 
you.  It is just annoying that my preferences ( and a LOT of other people's ) are being not only 
ignored, but denigrated.  Windows has always been about "a dozen ways to do anything".  They are 
trying to make it "one way to do anything" - and only one thing at a time by the way.

Personally I don't see that as a win.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/26/2014 3:55 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi Arthur
>
> You nailed it as usual. I was playing with words like stubborn old farts, but pussies is much nicer!
>


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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Feb 26 07:44:41 2014
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 05:44:41 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Manufacturing Application
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Paul:

I designed and marketed E-Z-MRP many years ago (www.e-z-mrp.com).  It was
recently acquired so it's not mine anymore.  

But I'm curious to know what the requirements are to see if E-Z-MRP would
fit the bill - or would perhaps with a few custom mods.  

Manufacturing not a simple app - requires at a minimum a bill of materials
processor with a cost rollup feature, an MRP calculation program to generate
the production and procurement requirements over time based on demand,
reports that give that information in a format that's easily used, a way to
efficiently resolve those action items, and forms and reports that will
track the execution of the production and procurement plans - receiving,
release of work orders with inventory adjustments, completion of work
orders, and shipping.  

So - lots of forms and reports, lots of code.

Now it may be that they don't require all that but I suspect they do.

Why don't you give me a call this morning and we'll talk about the
requirements for this company and see what the best approach would be?

Best,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com
www.e-z-mrp.com
Skype: rocky.smolin
 


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hartland
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 10:56 PM
To: Access List
Subject: [AccessD] Manufacturing Application

To all,

Has anyone had any experience in designing and developing a manufacturing
application, I am trying to find a database model or example database to get
an exact idea of requirements, basically a friend of mine works as head
accountant for a specialist paint manufacturer and he says there just isn't
anything out there to do exactly what they require, so being clever I said I
would offer my services to try and get something as close as possible to
what they require, then a few hours later realising that I had never worked
on a manufacturer process, I have emailed him asking for the processes and
materials they use for the manufacturing process, but wanted to try and get
a head start.

Any help or pointers for this would be appreciated.

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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 07:45:13 2014
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 08:45:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Manufacturing Application
In-Reply-To: <CALGJE94+NsQ1coBJdYQXct=4syob53nQQ3dOtaEckVr5aA9wMQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALGJE94+NsQ1coBJdYQXct=4syob53nQQ3dOtaEckVr5aA9wMQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAvt2MQjNA=yyeg4rUuH24rDL7HF5mvi7usQLQxntLY1_A@mail.gmail.com>

Paul,
There are a number of free data models at
http://www.databaseanswers.org

use google or bing and use this search term

*databaseanswers.org <http://databaseanswers.org> data model manufacturing*


On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 1:55 AM, Paul Hartland <paul.hartland at googlemail.com
> wrote:

> To all,
>
> Has anyone had any experience in designing and developing a manufacturing
> application, I am trying to find a database model or example database to
> get an exact idea of requirements, basically a friend of mine works as head
> accountant for a specialist paint manufacturer and he says there just isn't
> anything out there to do exactly what they require, so being clever I said
> I would offer my services to try and get something as close as possible to
> what they require, then a few hours later realising that I had never worked
> on a manufacturer process, I have emailed him asking for the processes and
> materials they use for the manufacturing process, but wanted to try and get
> a head start.
>
> Any help or pointers for this would be appreciated.
>
> --
> Paul Hartland
> paul.hartland at googlemail.com
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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>

From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 06:43:47 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 07:43:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
In-Reply-To: <de1a373f65a644d1afe98921dba6d756@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <de1a373f65a644d1afe98921dba6d756@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <530DE183.70405@gmail.com>

Gustav,

I would remind you that Windows has had a desktop FOREVER.  You are free to place pretty icons on it 
to represent your programs, and go there to click on things to start them.  You can even buy third 
party programs to lasso them into groups.  Microsoft could easily have applied their magic to the 
existing desktop.  And I would also remind you that if you don't like all of the Windows 7 "pretty", 
you can go in and click the "optimize for performance" which gets rid of the aero glass, the 
animations etc.  Voila, you are back to Windows XP look, though not quite the bland sucky look of 
Windows 8.  I am quite sure they could have added an "optimize for Windows 8 bland sucky look" 
button that you could check to get rid of the last vestiges of "pretty".

I don't know how many people read this, from a member of the design team:

http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-8-ux-designer-on-metro-it-is-the-antithesis-of-a-power-user

But a couple of things stand out.

 >>>

Miller continued on to explain that the design team split users into two groups:/content 
creators/and/content consumers/:

  * *Content creators*were explained to be power users: they have multiple windows open across
    multiple monitors, they sometimes even have virtual machines that also have their own nested
    levels of complexity.
  * *Content consumers*were explained to be casual users who just use basic social media platforms,
    view photos, and so on. They were described as the computer illiterate younger siblings, the
    older grandparents, or the mother "who just wants to look up apple pie recipes."

*Windows 8 was designed for the latter group: the content consumers.* This is also where Metro stems 
from: it is a platform that is "simple, clear, *and does one thing (and only one thing) relatively 
easily.*" Miller described Metro as***/the antithesis of a power user/*.

 >>>
/"Our hands were bound, and our users were annoyed with their rented jackets. So what did we do? We 
separated the users into two groups. Casual and Power. We made two separate playgrounds for them. 
All the casual users would have their own new and shiny place to look at pictures of cats - Metro. 
The power users would then have free reign over their native domain - the desktop."/- Miller
 >>>

Except that they intentionally crippled the desktop for the power user.  How can you claim that the 
power user has free reign over his playground when the start menu and task bar are gone and they 
refuse to give it back?  And that metro apps (and all future apps) refuse to minimize or size?  That 
windowing is intentionally crippled.

Does that sound like "free reign" to you?


The fact that some people like a desktop as the primary OS interface doesn't make it better, it just 
makes it better for those who like it.  Those of us who don't like it?

"Fuck you, get used to it" appears to be the attitude.

Free reign?

Humans seem to have a "I like things this way so it must be better" attitude built in.  The fact 
that you like the new interface doesn't make it better, it just means you like it.  I am happy for 
you.  It is just annoying that my preferences ( and a LOT of other people's ) are being not only 
ignored, but denigrated.  Windows has always been about "a dozen ways to do anything".  They are 
trying to make it "one way to do anything" - and only one thing at a time by the way.

Personally I don't see that as a win.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/26/2014 3:55 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi Arthur
>
> You nailed it as usual. I was playing with words like stubborn old farts, but pussies is much nicer!
>
> I've used Windows 8 (now 8.1 of course) on my home workstation since the very first developer edition (with the wonderful fish on the desktop) and with zero add-ons as I've never been a fan of the small and miserable and messy Start menu. It's an outdated left-over from Windows 95 (seems like everyone have forgotten how MS was ridiculed when it introduced).
> We still run Win7 and a little WinXP at the office but we seriously consider moving to Win8 after the next update.
>
> As I have mentioned before, the Metro/Modern UI is a masterpiece in design, and if you can't "see" this, it is because of exactly this, that excellent design doesn't stand forward, it only supports the function - and if you don't realize this, just borrow a Mac for a moment and study what old-fashioned is about, indeed the ugly animation that sucks windows when they are minimized and the sloshing icons at the bottom. I guess you get used to it, but it makes me feel sick.
>
> Of course, as a developer I mostly use the desktop of Win8. Also, my 27" monitor has no touch, so the Metro interface is mouse only for me. But the organization of icons in groups on the Start screen is a big progress compared to the multilevel Start menu of Win7-.
>
> Further, it is like most look at Win8 as Win7 with another interface. That is not so. It is faster, and with an SSD drive you have finally reached what a computer should be: Instantly on and off with sleep mode, and only few seconds to the login screen from a cold boot.
>
> Finally, as Martin mentions, where Windows 8 really shines is on a tablet. We have a Surface Pro 2, a wonderful machine, and I have used the old desktop on that. It is doable, but don't forget your glasses or the pen-pointer. It is not productive, and if that would have been the only option, people would have bashed MS, much like what happened with the old Windows Mobile. Something had to be done, and the Metro/Modern touch interface is the answer. Apps can be snipped/snapped in and out and you quickly feel at home.
>
> /gustav
>
>
>



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From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Wed Feb 26 09:37:00 2014
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 15:37:00 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Deleting Worksheet
In-Reply-To: <38D7D68733D44AAA8A9A009328F26636@HAL9007>
References: <38D7D68733D44AAA8A9A009328F26636@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CALGJE95WVBrMwkLJnsFSjRb_u1VwZichxFFyv1euDxctt6L2hg@mail.gmail.com>

Rocky ,

Just nicked a bit of your code from a previous message, have you tried (off
top of my head),:

Dim objXLApp As Excel.Application
Dim objXLBook As Excel.Workbook
Dim objXLWS As Excel.Worksheet

I set objXLApp - Set objXLApp = New Excel.Application - and open a
new worksheet:

Set objXLBook = objXLApp.Workbooks.Open(Me.txtOutputFileName)

' add your new sheet, unless already done

' now firstly try to delete with individual code.
objXLApp.displayalerts = False

objXLApp.Sheets("Sheet1").Select
objXLApp.ActiveSheet.Delete

objXLApp.Sheets("Sheet2").Select
objXLApp.ActiveSheet.Delete

objXLApp.Sheets("Sheet3").Select
objXLApp.ActiveSheet.Delete

xlBook.Saveas ("your filename")
objXLApp.displayalerts = True

objXLApp.Sheets("your new sheet name").Select

objXLApp.Quit
Set objXLBook = Nothing
Set objXLApp = Nothing

Paul


On 30 January 2014 15:40, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Dear List:
>
> I'm automating a spreadsheet from Access (2003) and importing a worksheet
> from another excel file as a template.  I want to delete the default
> worksheets Sheet1, Sheet2, and Sheet3 but can't seem to get the right
> syntax
> going.
>
> Any pointers on how to get this done?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/>
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
> --
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>



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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Feb 26 10:10:54 2014
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 08:10:54 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Deleting Worksheet
In-Reply-To: <CALGJE95WVBrMwkLJnsFSjRb_u1VwZichxFFyv1euDxctt6L2hg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <38D7D68733D44AAA8A9A009328F26636@HAL9007>
	<CALGJE95WVBrMwkLJnsFSjRb_u1VwZichxFFyv1euDxctt6L2hg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BBDDDB91551040228DA0655784693A62@HAL9007>

Paul:

Gonna try it.  Although it's more of an esthetic thing that substantive.
The extra blank worksheets don't bother the user - just bothers me. L)

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hartland
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 7:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Deleting Worksheet

Rocky ,

Just nicked a bit of your code from a previous message, have you tried (off
top of my head),:

Dim objXLApp As Excel.Application
Dim objXLBook As Excel.Workbook
Dim objXLWS As Excel.Worksheet

I set objXLApp - Set objXLApp = New Excel.Application - and open a new
worksheet:

Set objXLBook = objXLApp.Workbooks.Open(Me.txtOutputFileName)

' add your new sheet, unless already done

' now firstly try to delete with individual code.
objXLApp.displayalerts = False

objXLApp.Sheets("Sheet1").Select
objXLApp.ActiveSheet.Delete

objXLApp.Sheets("Sheet2").Select
objXLApp.ActiveSheet.Delete

objXLApp.Sheets("Sheet3").Select
objXLApp.ActiveSheet.Delete

xlBook.Saveas ("your filename")
objXLApp.displayalerts = True

objXLApp.Sheets("your new sheet name").Select

objXLApp.Quit
Set objXLBook = Nothing
Set objXLApp = Nothing

Paul


On 30 January 2014 15:40, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Dear List:
>
> I'm automating a spreadsheet from Access (2003) and importing a 
> worksheet from another excel file as a template.  I want to delete the 
> default worksheets Sheet1, Sheet2, and Sheet3 but can't seem to get 
> the right syntax going.
>
> Any pointers on how to get this done?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com 
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
> --
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>



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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Feb 26 10:16:21 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 16:16:21 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
Message-ID: <744ddc7d80ac48bcb37b9aedb172a662@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi John

I don't know. Maybe it's a question of attitude, though it seems that you have given Win8 an honest try. But many have said - even before they touched(!) it - that it is crap and then, of course, it is crap and will remain so to these people. I always wonder what kind of joy such people have being so negative.

I'm not a fanatic first mover. However, to me Win8 has worked from day one. I can't recall a single crash, and I have never been in a situation where I couldn't do something and wished Win7 back. To me everything has worked the same or better on Win8. When I work with WinXP it's like visiting a museum, and I'm about getting the same feeling with Win7 - things of value but of the past.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John W Colby
Sendt: 26. februar 2014 13:44
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase

Gustav,

I would remind you that Windows has had a desktop FOREVER.  You are free to place pretty icons on it to represent your programs, and go there to click on things to start them.  You can even buy third party programs to lasso them into groups.  Microsoft could easily have applied their magic to the existing desktop.  And I would also remind you that if you don't like all of the Windows 7 "pretty", you can go in and click the "optimize for performance" which gets rid of the aero glass, the animations etc.  Voila, you are back to Windows XP look, though not quite the bland sucky look of Windows 8.  I am quite sure they could have added an "optimize for Windows 8 bland sucky look" 
button that you could check to get rid of the last vestiges of "pretty".

I don't know how many people read this, from a member of the design team:

http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-8-ux-designer-on-metro-it-is-the-antithesis-of-a-power-user

But a couple of things stand out.

 >>>

Miller continued on to explain that the design team split users into two groups:/content creators/and/content consumers/:

  * *Content creators*were explained to be power users: they have multiple windows open across
    multiple monitors, they sometimes even have virtual machines that also have their own nested
    levels of complexity.
  * *Content consumers*were explained to be casual users who just use basic social media platforms,
    view photos, and so on. They were described as the computer illiterate younger siblings, the
    older grandparents, or the mother "who just wants to look up apple pie recipes."

*Windows 8 was designed for the latter group: the content consumers.* This is also where Metro stems
from: it is a platform that is "simple, clear, *and does one thing (and only one thing) relatively easily.*" Miller described Metro as***/the antithesis of a power user/*.

 >>>
/"Our hands were bound, and our users were annoyed with their rented jackets. So what did we do? We separated the users into two groups. Casual and Power. We made two separate playgrounds for them. 
All the casual users would have their own new and shiny place to look at pictures of cats - Metro. 
The power users would then have free reign over their native domain - the desktop."/- Miller  >>>

Except that they intentionally crippled the desktop for the power user.  How can you claim that the power user has free reign over his playground when the start menu and task bar are gone and they refuse to give it back?  And that metro apps (and all future apps) refuse to minimize or size?  That windowing is intentionally crippled.

Does that sound like "free reign" to you?


The fact that some people like a desktop as the primary OS interface doesn't make it better, it just makes it better for those who like it.  Those of us who don't like it?

"Fuck you, get used to it" appears to be the attitude.

Free reign?

Humans seem to have a "I like things this way so it must be better" attitude built in.  The fact that you like the new interface doesn't make it better, it just means you like it.  I am happy for you.  It is just annoying that my preferences ( and a LOT of other people's ) are being not only ignored, but denigrated.  Windows has always been about "a dozen ways to do anything".  They are trying to make it "one way to do anything" - and only one thing at a time by the way.

Personally I don't see that as a win.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/26/2014 3:55 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi Arthur
>
> You nailed it as usual. I was playing with words like stubborn old farts, but pussies is much nicer!
>
> I've used Windows 8 (now 8.1 of course) on my home workstation since the very first developer edition (with the wonderful fish on the desktop) and with zero add-ons as I've never been a fan of the small and miserable and messy Start menu. It's an outdated left-over from Windows 95 (seems like everyone have forgotten how MS was ridiculed when it introduced).
> We still run Win7 and a little WinXP at the office but we seriously consider moving to Win8 after the next update.
>
> As I have mentioned before, the Metro/Modern UI is a masterpiece in design, and if you can't "see" this, it is because of exactly this, that excellent design doesn't stand forward, it only supports the function - and if you don't realize this, just borrow a Mac for a moment and study what old-fashioned is about, indeed the ugly animation that sucks windows when they are minimized and the sloshing icons at the bottom. I guess you get used to it, but it makes me feel sick.
>
> Of course, as a developer I mostly use the desktop of Win8. Also, my 27" monitor has no touch, so the Metro interface is mouse only for me. But the organization of icons in groups on the Start screen is a big progress compared to the multilevel Start menu of Win7-.
>
> Further, it is like most look at Win8 as Win7 with another interface. That is not so. It is faster, and with an SSD drive you have finally reached what a computer should be: Instantly on and off with sleep mode, and only few seconds to the login screen from a cold boot.
>
> Finally, as Martin mentions, where Windows 8 really shines is on a tablet. We have a Surface Pro 2, a wonderful machine, and I have used the old desktop on that. It is doable, but don't forget your glasses or the pen-pointer. It is not productive, and if that would have been the only option, people would have bashed MS, much like what happened with the old Windows Mobile. Something had to be done, and the Metro/Modern touch interface is the answer. Apps can be snipped/snapped in and out and you quickly feel at home.
>
> /gustav
 



From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Wed Feb 26 09:35:12 2014
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 15:35:12 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Deleting Worksheet
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9n6Z=8Sq0udVD62o=dcfK3e5zm2ndZk_qsnu6SgatqoQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Rocky ,

Just nicked a bit of your code from a previous message, have you tried (off
top of my head),:

Dim objXLApp As Excel.Application
Dim objXLBook As Excel.Workbook
Dim objXLWS As Excel.Worksheet

I set objXLApp - Set objXLApp = New Excel.Application - and open a new
worksheet:

Set objXLBook = objXLApp.Workbooks.Open(Me.txtOutputFileName)

' add your new sheet, unless already done

' now firstly try to delete with individual code.
objXLApp.displayalerts = False

objXLApp.Sheets("Sheet1").Select
objXLApp.ActiveSheet.Delete

objXLApp.Sheets("Sheet2").Select
objXLApp.ActiveSheet.Delete

objXLApp.Sheets("Sheet3").Select
objXLApp.ActiveSheet.Delete

xlBook.Saveas ("your filename")
objXLApp.displayalerts = True

objXLApp.Sheets("your new sheet name").Select

objXLApp.Quit
Set objXLBook = Nothing
Set objXLApp = Nothing

Paul



On 31 January 2014 02:31, Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com> wrote:

> So what is the original name of the sheet you're adding?  What is its name
> in its parent template? And is the value of your Me.lstJobs.ItemData(intI)
> expression a string that you can evaluate and test for?    I have workbooks
> with no "Sheet1" in them, so it isn't requiring that name that's the
> problem.  When you copy a worksheet it usually retains the name of the
> sheet that's being copied (unless it would be a duplicate, of course).
>  Maybe you need to count the number of worksheets in the workbook to be
> sure you're tackling the right problem.
>
> Charlotte
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Darryl:
> >
> > I'm not adding the new sheets - I'm copying from a template in another
> > workbook:
> >
> >                 objXLWSAlcoa.Copy
> After:=objXLBook.Sheets(intXLSheetCount)
> >                 objXLApp.ActiveSheet.Name = Me.lstJobs.ItemData(intI)
> >                 objXLApp.ActiveWorkbook.Save
> >                 Set objXLWS = objXLApp.ActiveSheet
> >
> > And that's working well.  The delete routine at the end cycles through
> all
> > the sheets and deletes any that start with "Sheet".
> >
> > I had three brute force deletes call out Sheet1, Sheet2, Sheet3.  It
> > deleted
> > 2 and 3 and left 1.  So I tried cycling through the sheets looking for
> > left("Sheet",5). No go.  I've tried a bunch of different things.  Nothing
> > seems to work.
> >
> > I'm leaving town tomorrow so I may take this up again when I get back on
> > Monday if I can't find a solution while I'm on the road.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl
> Collins
> > Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 5:22 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Deleting Worksheet
> >
> > Rocky,
> >
> > So the process should be.
> >
> > Open XL
> > Add new sheets (which are default named as "Sheet5", "Sheet6" assuming
> you
> > add two new ones).  I would also assume you are renaming these sheets.
> > Then remove Sheet1, Sheet2 and Sheet3.
> >
> > It smells a lot like you are not adding the sheets correctly, as a couple
> > of
> > folks have pointed out, the workbook must always have a sheet and XL
> won't
> > let you delete the last worksheet.
> >
> > Firstly I would ask why you are adding sheets and just not using the
> blanks
> > ones available.  You can just populate the default sheet1, rename it to
> > something useful and then delete the other two blanks if you so please.
> >
> > There can be advantages of bringing in a sheet from an external source,
> if
> > that is what you are doing (?)
> >
> > Can you post the code you are using to add and then delete the sheets?
> >
> > I would strongly recommend stepping thru the code and checking the
> creation
> > and deletion is working as expected.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Darryl
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> > Sent: Friday, 31 January 2014 11:41 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Deleting Worksheet
> >
> > There is still one sheet left after I delete the three defaults created
> > when
> > the workbook is first opened.  It's that last one Sheet1 that I can't get
> > rid of.
> >
> > r
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> > Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 4:38 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Deleting Worksheet
> >
> > Hi Rocky:
> >
> > Late to this topic but I thought that you can not have zero sheets in a
> > Excel spreadsheet any more than you can have zero tabs in a browser? IOW,
> > it
> > can be an blank sheet but not "no" sheets...so it is possible that you
> are
> > wasting your time.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 4:23:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Deleting Worksheet
> >
> > Darryl:
> >
> > I added true but no cigar.  The other two 'Sheets' Sheet2 and Sheet3
> delete
> > just fine.  But Sheet1 remains even though I watched it go through the
> > delete statement for Sheet1.  Odd that.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl
> Collins
> > Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 4:05 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Deleting Worksheet
> >
> > Hi Rocky.
> >
> >
> > Firstly you would have to add the "TRUE" post fix to the following if you
> > want the changes to stick.
> >
> >     objXLApp.ActiveWorkbook.Close
> >
> > should be
> >
> >     objXLApp.ActiveWorkbook.Close TRUE
> >
> > If you just use    objXLApp.ActiveWorkbook.Close than the workbook will
> > close without saving (false is the default).
> >
> > I would also be leery of using 'ActiveWorkbook' as it may not be the
> > workbook you think it is.  Be specific:  I usually use something like
> >
> >
> > Dim objExcelApp As Object
> > Dim objExcelSheet As Excel.Worksheet
> > Dim objExcelWB As Excel.Workbook
> >
> > Set objExcelApp = CreateObject("Excel.Application")
> >         objExcelApp.Visible = True
> >
> >         With objExcelApp
> >             .Workbooks.Open FileName:=strTargetPathAndName
> >             Set objExcelWB = objExcelApp.ActiveWorkbook
> >
> >         With objExcelWB.Worksheets("Lookups")
> >                                 Etc....
> >
> >
> > Have you (for testing purposes) made the XL application visible and
> stepped
> > thru the code and see if you are actually deleting the sheets?  This is
> > probably the best way to debug this.
> >
> > I would also turn off any "On Error Resume Next" statement (or all On
> Error
> > Statements).  Perhaps the source workbook has protection turned on, which
> > would prevent sheet deletion and the On Error is skipping over this step
> > without warning.
> >
> > Lambert's code below should work fine - assuming there is no issue with
> XL
> > protection.  Keep in mind there is a different between the SheetName
> (which
> > the user sees) and the SheetCodeName, which is the VBA name.  They are
> > often
> > the same, but don't have to be.  In your case you are using sheetname,
> > which
> > should work fine on the code you have.
> >
> > I do this sort of thing all the time, so let me know if you cannot get it
> > working.
> >
> > cheers
> > Darryl.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> > Sent: Friday, 31 January 2014 6:24 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Deleting Worksheet
> >
> > Lambert:
> >
> > After the deletes I have
> >
> > ' Save and Close Workbook
> >     objXLApp.ActiveWorkbook.Save
> >     objXLApp.Quit
> >     Set objXLApp = Nothing
> >
> > Adding
> >
> >     objXLApp.ActiveWorkbook.Close
> >
> > Didn't help.  Sheet1 is still there.
> >
> > R
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan,
> Lambert
> > Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 11:20 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Deleting Worksheet
> >
> > After your code runs to delete the offending worksheets you then must
> save
> > the workbook with its changes. Like this...
> >
> >
> > Dim xlApp As Excel.Application
> > Dim xlS As Excel.Worksheet
> >     Set xlApp = Excel_OpenWorkBook(strFile) ' my canned "open an excel
> > workbook object routine"
> >     For Each xlS In xlApp.Worksheets
> >         If xlS.Name <> "MySheet" Then
> >             xlS.Delete
> >         End If
> >     Next xlS
> >     Excel_CloseWorkBook xlApp, strFile, True ' the True parameter tells
> my
> > canned routine to save the workbook
> >     Set xlApp = Nothing
> >
> >
> >
> > Lambert
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> > Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 11:05 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Deleting Worksheet
> >
> > I have my objects dimmed so:
> >
> > Dim objXLApp As Excel.Application
> > Dim objXLBook As Excel.Workbook
> > Dim objXLWS As Excel.Worksheet
> >
> > I set objXLApp - Set objXLApp = New Excel.Application - and open a new
> > worksheet:
> >
> > Set objXLBook = objXLApp.Workbooks.Open(Me.txtOutputFileName)
> >
> > into which I copy the template worksheet from another XL workbook, giving
> > it
> > a unique name each time.
> >
> > At the end of the process I end up with a workbook with n number of
> > worksheet and all's well except I still have the default "Sheet1",
> > "Sheet2",
> > and "Sheet3", which I want to delete.
> >
> > I've tried several things among which are
> >
> >             objXLBook.Worksheets("Sheet1").Delete
> >
> > And
> >             objXLApp.Worksheets("Sheet1").Activate
> >             objXLWS.Delete
> >
> > But so far no joy.
> >
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> > Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 7:47 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Deleting Worksheet
> >
> > <
> >
> >
> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10-things/10-ways-to-reference-excel-workbo
> > oks-and-sheets-using-vba/
> > >
> >
> > #9 and #10 might be helpful, but they're very basic -- referencing 101.
> > What have you tried and why isn't it working?
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Rocky Smolin
> > <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:
> >
> > > Dear List:
> > >
> > > I'm automating a spreadsheet from Access (2003) and importing a
> > > worksheet from another excel file as a template.  I want to delete the
> > > default worksheets Sheet1, Sheet2, and Sheet3 but can't seem to get
> > > the right syntax going.
> > >
> > > Any pointers on how to get this done?
> > >
> > > MTIA
> > >
> > > Rocky Smolin
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > 858-259-4334
> > > www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
> > > <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> > > Skype: rocky.smolin
> > >
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From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Wed Feb 26 10:43:58 2014
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 16:43:58 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Deleting Worksheet
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I know what you mean, I think little touches like your trying to do just
gives a little more of a professional feeling to everything.  I have been
out of work for just over 12 months now, but when in my last role I
sometimes had to get something working at very tight deadlines, so would
just get what they wanted to actually work, then breaking the rule of if
it's not broke don't fix it, would work on it again in my own time to make
it look and feel better for the user.

Paul


On 26 February 2014 16:10, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Paul:
>
> Gonna try it.  Although it's more of an esthetic thing that substantive.
> The extra blank worksheets don't bother the user - just bothers me. L)
>
> R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hartland
> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 7:37 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Deleting Worksheet
>
> Rocky ,
>
> Just nicked a bit of your code from a previous message, have you tried (off
> top of my head),:
>
> Dim objXLApp As Excel.Application
> Dim objXLBook As Excel.Workbook
> Dim objXLWS As Excel.Worksheet
>
> I set objXLApp - Set objXLApp = New Excel.Application - and open a new
> worksheet:
>
> Set objXLBook = objXLApp.Workbooks.Open(Me.txtOutputFileName)
>
> ' add your new sheet, unless already done
>
> ' now firstly try to delete with individual code.
> objXLApp.displayalerts = False
>
> objXLApp.Sheets("Sheet1").Select
> objXLApp.ActiveSheet.Delete
>
> objXLApp.Sheets("Sheet2").Select
> objXLApp.ActiveSheet.Delete
>
> objXLApp.Sheets("Sheet3").Select
> objXLApp.ActiveSheet.Delete
>
> xlBook.Saveas ("your filename")
> objXLApp.displayalerts = True
>
> objXLApp.Sheets("your new sheet name").Select
>
> objXLApp.Quit
> Set objXLBook = Nothing
> Set objXLApp = Nothing
>
> Paul
>
>
> On 30 January 2014 15:40, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear List:
> >
> > I'm automating a spreadsheet from Access (2003) and importing a
> > worksheet from another excel file as a template.  I want to delete the
> > default worksheets Sheet1, Sheet2, and Sheet3 but can't seem to get
> > the right syntax going.
> >
> > Any pointers on how to get this done?
> >
> > MTIA
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> > 858-259-4334
> > www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
> > <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> > Skype: rocky.smolin
> >
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> >
>
>
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 11:26:37 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 12:26:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
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Gustav,

I heartily agree. And with a pair of monitors, doubly so. Further, by
dragging the Desktop tile to the first (opening) group of tiles, I can jump
right into any of the programs on the Desktop.

Incidentally, the utility I mentioned (ClassicShell) is also very useful in
a Win7 environment, particularly due to its serious enhancement of Control
Panel. I would encourage Win7 users to install it as well as Win 8.1 users.

Arthur


On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi John
>
> I don't know. Maybe it's a question of attitude, though it seems that you
> have given Win8 an honest try. But many have said - even before they
> touched(!) it - that it is crap and then, of course, it is crap and will
> remain so to these people. I always wonder what kind of joy such people
> have being so negative.
>
> I'm not a fanatic first mover. However, to me Win8 has worked from day
> one. I can't recall a single crash, and I have never been in a situation
> where I couldn't do something and wished Win7 back. To me everything has
> worked the same or better on Win8. When I work with WinXP it's like
> visiting a museum, and I'm about getting the same feeling with Win7 -
> things of value but of the past.
>
> /gustav

From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 13:19:31 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 14:19:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
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Gustav,

I use the task bar heavily.  I have all of the programs that I normally open pinned to the task 
bar.  I LITERALLY don't ever go to the desktop because it is behind open programs.  The only time I 
go to the start menu is to open one of the rarely used programs, or to get at MyComputer or the 
control panel etc.  The task bar can be hidden (on demand) but I keep it pinned open.

So let's say I open Chrome and do a search for CPUs.  I open several tabs on that with various CPUs 
I am researching.  In the process I find an article about video cards.  I tear the tab off so that I 
now have a new instance of chrome displaying that article.  My chrom icon on the task bar now has an 
icon with stacked tiles for the two Chrome instances I have.  I can hover over the stack and a menu 
pops up, where I can read English text telling me which is which.  I can click on the one I want to 
go back to or I can click the X to close it.  This is critical when I have 3 or 4 or 7 instances of 
Chrome open.

Additionally I can pin Excel (for example) AND a specific excel spreadsheet of my client's data map 
to the task bar.  Now I can hover over the Excel icon and click that line of the popup menu and be 
right in the data map spreadsheet.  You might have noticed in explorer, one right click option is 
"pin to taskbar"  Well I do.  I have the data map pinned, my Access billing database, my Access 
prison pass database.  Stull like that.  All neatly stacked in the task bar ready for hover / click 
/ open.  You mention "arranging those ungodly huge icons in the desktop, why would I do that when I 
can stack them in the taskbar, right down to a specific document if I so desire?

I will have 5 instances of Chrome, Thunderbird, 5 instances of remote desktop and the game of Empire 
I am playing all open.  My task bar displays, with a raised icon, which of those programs are open, 
and if "stacked" which of those programs have multiple instances.  I can look down and instantly see 
"yep, Empire is open" and click the icon to be back in my game.

I also have my antivirus, threatfire, firewall, dropbox, BoxCryptor etc running.  Those are 
services, but have a user interface which is displayed via an icon in the right hand side of the 
task bar.  I can get at those running services via their icon instantly. One or at most two clicks. 
I can't tell you how often I click the sound icon to mute the sound when a phone call comes in.

I will work ALL DAY LONG, sometimes all WEEK long and not open the start menu.

ALL of this functionality is controlled by the task bar which is GONE.  How do you accomplish this 
stuff that I have described easily and quickly in Windows 8?  Why on God's green earth would MS have 
removed the taskbar, the absolute center of my Windows universe?  Hubris and arrogance do not begin 
to describe it.

As for the start menu, yes I use it very occasionally.  Any programs that I use that I do not pin to 
the task bar I drag and drop out into the first level menu, accessed by opening the start menu.  I 
just dragged and dropped the submenus  inside of the start menu so that the ones that actually get 
used are all at the top of the list.  I can see the ones I use, right there at the top.  Windows key 
and click, I am working with them.  AND... the menu neatly hides away behind the start button (and 
windows key) when I am done working with it.

I do NOT need a bajillion huge tiles of every damned program that Windows contains (and all the ones 
I load afterwards) that I have to stare at wondering where the one I want is, swiping right panel 
after panel to see them.  I do NOT need to rearrange these huge icons into ones that make sense or 
that I use.  There is not a SINGLE program that I use more than a couple of times a year that is not 
either pinned to my task bar or pinned to the first level of the start menu.  How is a mongo desktop 
full of crap better than that?  Hell at least the old desktop had little icons instead of these huge 
things.  I am not blind.

The answer is that you like it and Arthur likes it, and so it is better (for you).  Cool, I 
appreciate that and I could care less if you use things that way.  In the meantime I got shafted and 
Microsoft is telling me to "suck it up 'cause it ain't coming back".  My carefully crafted way of 
doing business that is about as efficient as one can get is gone.

I so wanted to stay with Windows 8.  All I hear is faster, smaller, less resources... all good 
things.  But what I found was "well download this third party thing and that third party thing" just 
to get back to what I already have.  And use this key combination and click this then click this 
then click that... I assume that you have noticed that underneath the covers, pretty much everything 
is the same.  Just getting them to open is an abomination.

And what the hell is up with the "leave everything open all the time" crap?  Have you ever looked at 
Chrome (or any other browser) memory usage?  Now I understand that I can still just alt-F4 to close 
it when I am done, but is the close / minimize button some huge burden?  And notice that Chrome WILL 
NOT SIZE in Windows 8. So I can't open it to use part of the screen.  I don't know how they did it 
but the same browser that sizes just fine in Windows 7 pretends to be an idiot in Windows 8.  Over a 
week's time I could have a dozen or even two dozen programs open at the same time. Without my task 
bar I am supposed to alt-tab through these?  Hell I don't want them there to begin with, I last used 
that at Christmas.  Why does MS think it is best to just leave everything open forever?   SERIOUSLY 
stupid thinking out of supposedly brilliant minds.

I am neither an old fart (well... yea I am) nor a pussy.  Windows 7 worked absolutely 100% perfectly 
for me, I had it honed to a razor's edge.  Windows 8 is a disaster (for me).  Which makes me sad 
because if they would give me back the exact same start menu and taskbar functionality... I would be 
using Windows 8 right now, never having noticed that MS had screwed it up.  I would be getting all 
of the benefits of the new and all of the benefits of the old.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/26/2014 11:16 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi John
>
> I don't know. Maybe it's a question of attitude, though it seems that you have given Win8 an honest try.
>
> /gustav
>

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Feb 26 13:29:21 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 19:29:21 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
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Hi John

OK, I would miss the taskbar as well. 
But where did you put it away? Here it sits steadily at the bottom of the screen when I switch (one press on the Windows button) to desktop view.

And the (RT) apps I may have running can be reached at the left pane - or the usual way by clicking Alt(+Shift)+Tab.

/gustav

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Sendt: 26. februar 2014 20:19
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase

Gustav,

I use the task bar heavily.  I have all of the programs that I normally open pinned to the task
bar.  I LITERALLY don't ever go to the desktop because it is behind open programs.  The only time I
go to the start menu is to open one of the rarely used programs, or to get at MyComputer or the
control panel etc.  The task bar can be hidden (on demand) but I keep it pinned open.

So let's say I open Chrome and do a search for CPUs.  I open several tabs on that with various CPUs
I am researching.  In the process I find an article about video cards.  I tear the tab off so that I
now have a new instance of chrome displaying that article.  My chrom icon on the task bar now has an
icon with stacked tiles for the two Chrome instances I have.  I can hover over the stack and a menu
pops up, where I can read English text telling me which is which.  I can click on the one I want to
go back to or I can click the X to close it.  This is critical when I have 3 or 4 or 7 instances of
Chrome open.

Additionally I can pin Excel (for example) AND a specific excel spreadsheet of my client's data map
to the task bar.  Now I can hover over the Excel icon and click that line of the popup menu and be
right in the data map spreadsheet.  You might have noticed in explorer, one right click option is
"pin to taskbar"  Well I do.  I have the data map pinned, my Access billing database, my Access
prison pass database.  Stull like that.  All neatly stacked in the task bar ready for hover / click
/ open.  You mention "arranging those ungodly huge icons in the desktop, why would I do that when I
can stack them in the taskbar, right down to a specific document if I so desire?

I will have 5 instances of Chrome, Thunderbird, 5 instances of remote desktop and the game of Empire
I am playing all open.  My task bar displays, with a raised icon, which of those programs are open,
and if "stacked" which of those programs have multiple instances.  I can look down and instantly see
"yep, Empire is open" and click the icon to be back in my game.

I also have my antivirus, threatfire, firewall, dropbox, BoxCryptor etc running.  Those are
services, but have a user interface which is displayed via an icon in the right hand side of the
task bar.  I can get at those running services via their icon instantly. One or at most two clicks.
I can't tell you how often I click the sound icon to mute the sound when a phone call comes in.

I will work ALL DAY LONG, sometimes all WEEK long and not open the start menu.

ALL of this functionality is controlled by the task bar which is GONE.  How do you accomplish this
stuff that I have described easily and quickly in Windows 8?  Why on God's green earth would MS have
removed the taskbar, the absolute center of my Windows universe?  Hubris and arrogance do not begin
to describe it.

As for the start menu, yes I use it very occasionally.  Any programs that I use that I do not pin to
the task bar I drag and drop out into the first level menu, accessed by opening the start menu.  I
just dragged and dropped the submenus  inside of the start menu so that the ones that actually get
used are all at the top of the list.  I can see the ones I use, right there at the top.  Windows key
and click, I am working with them.  AND... the menu neatly hides away behind the start button (and
windows key) when I am done working with it.

I do NOT need a bajillion huge tiles of every damned program that Windows contains (and all the ones
I load afterwards) that I have to stare at wondering where the one I want is, swiping right panel
after panel to see them.  I do NOT need to rearrange these huge icons into ones that make sense or
that I use.  There is not a SINGLE program that I use more than a couple of times a year that is not
either pinned to my task bar or pinned to the first level of the start menu.  How is a mongo desktop
full of crap better than that?  Hell at least the old desktop had little icons instead of these huge
things.  I am not blind.

The answer is that you like it and Arthur likes it, and so it is better (for you).  Cool, I
appreciate that and I could care less if you use things that way.  In the meantime I got shafted and
Microsoft is telling me to "suck it up 'cause it ain't coming back".  My carefully crafted way of
doing business that is about as efficient as one can get is gone.

I so wanted to stay with Windows 8.  All I hear is faster, smaller, less resources... all good
things.  But what I found was "well download this third party thing and that third party thing" just
to get back to what I already have.  And use this key combination and click this then click this
then click that... I assume that you have noticed that underneath the covers, pretty much everything
is the same.  Just getting them to open is an abomination.

And what the hell is up with the "leave everything open all the time" crap?  Have you ever looked at
Chrome (or any other browser) memory usage?  Now I understand that I can still just alt-F4 to close
it when I am done, but is the close / minimize button some huge burden?  And notice that Chrome WILL
NOT SIZE in Windows 8. So I can't open it to use part of the screen.  I don't know how they did it
but the same browser that sizes just fine in Windows 7 pretends to be an idiot in Windows 8.  Over a
week's time I could have a dozen or even two dozen programs open at the same time. Without my task
bar I am supposed to alt-tab through these?  Hell I don't want them there to begin with, I last used
that at Christmas.  Why does MS think it is best to just leave everything open forever?   SERIOUSLY
stupid thinking out of supposedly brilliant minds.

I am neither an old fart (well... yea I am) nor a pussy.  Windows 7 worked absolutely 100% perfectly
for me, I had it honed to a razor's edge.  Windows 8 is a disaster (for me).  Which makes me sad
because if they would give me back the exact same start menu and taskbar functionality... I would be
using Windows 8 right now, never having noticed that MS had screwed it up.  I would be getting all
of the benefits of the new and all of the benefits of the old.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/26/2014 11:16 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi John
>
> I don't know. Maybe it's a question of attitude, though it seems that you have given Win8 an honest try.
>
> /gustav


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 13:44:03 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 14:44:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
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Alt-tab cycles though the last or all open.  I keep sometimes a dozen things open.  I do 
(occasionally) use alt-tab to switch (cycle)  back and forth between the last two but for all others 
I just hover / select with my mouse.  Why do I want to Alt-tab-tab-tab-tab (oh shit I passed it!!!)  
Hover over the icon in the task bar actually tells me in plain english the title of the open 
content, whether that be a specific web page or a word document.

As for "where I put it", I never found it.  I found places to download "kinda sorta" third party 
equivalents (which I used) which were not as powerful as the original task bar.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/26/2014 2:29 PM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi John
>
> OK, I would miss the taskbar as well.
> But where did you put it away? Here it sits steadily at the bottom of the screen when I switch (one press on the Windows button) to desktop view.
>
> And the (RT) apps I may have running can be reached at the left pane - or the usual way by clicking Alt(+Shift)+Tab.
>
> /gustav
>
> ________________________________________
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com>
> Sendt: 26. februar 2014 20:19
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
>
> Gustav,
>
> I use the task bar heavily.  I have all of the programs that I normally open pinned to the task
> bar.  I LITERALLY don't ever go to the desktop because it is behind open programs.  The only time I
> go to the start menu is to open one of the rarely used programs, or to get at MyComputer or the
> control panel etc.  The task bar can be hidden (on demand) but I keep it pinned open.
>


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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Wed Feb 26 13:44:18 2014
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 11:44:18 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
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Just checked MSNBC after you mentioned it and? wow? that is a terrible, terrible design. Now I know where not to go if I want to see whats going on in the world at a glance, unless I want to see big close up pictures of John Kerry?s mug.

Wow. How did this even get approved?

- Hans



On Feb 25, 2014, at 9:23 AM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> I bought an HP Envy 17" at Sams a few months ago.  It came with Windows 8.  Ugh.  I tried to like it.  Then I tried to endure it.  I tried to modify it to get back Windows 7 like functionality.  I found myself not using the laptop for actual work, though it was OK (barely) for games and internet stuff.  I was pissed that I had spent a fair chunk of change on a very powerful, very nice laptop that I hated.
> 
> Funny stuff here...
> 
> http://www.loopinsight.com/2013/01/04/windows-8-review-the-thing-blows/
> 
> And it pretty much mirrors my experience.  Even after working with it every day for a month I still had issues with things like drag and drop.  How can you drag and drop files between two windows when... you can only have ONE WINDOW?  And why should I be "allowed" two windows, but one of them has to be this scrunched up little slice docked to the left side while the other gets the rest of the screen?  I have a 23" monitor, PLENTY of room for many different windows when I need them.  But no, I am not "allowed" that.
> 
> And why can't I minimize open programs to my task bar and click on them to reopen.  Oh yea, I remember now, there IS NO TASK BAR. What???  And when I want to see the wireless strength I can just look at the wireless icon down in the taskbar... oh yea I forgot, THERE IS NO TASKBAR.  In Windows 7 I use a handful of programs 99% of the time.  I pin them to the taskbar.  They stack.  If I am remoted in to 5 different machines (yes, I do that every day) then I hover over the taskbar and up pops a list of the open remote desktop sessions.  How do I accomplish that with Windows 8?
> 
> How do you hover with a touch screen to begin with?  And why am I searching for third party apps to get back functionality that I need and was FORBIDDEN to have with Windows 8?  Is Microsoft my mom, telling me that I HAVE to do it this way?  Even my mom no longer tells me what to do.
> 
> I did discover that all of the old Windows applications look like they always did, can be windowed, and have the minimize and close button.  But of course all of the "Windows 8 native" apps don't and don't and don't.
> 
> And why do I have to rearrange a HUGE screen of HUGE blocks of pictures which pretty much have nothing to do with what they represent to get the ones I use most all on the screen at the same time.  Menus exist because they logically group operations.  In Windows 7 If I need an Office app I can go find all of the Microsoft office programs by finding the menu for that.  Yes, you have to hunt and figure that out but once you do the menu allows you to see groups of programs (or operations).  The "start" screen just has a bajillion HUGE blocks scrolling off to the right forever, mere and more as you add things to your computer.  Wow.  Try cut and paste between two apps.
> 
> In the end, I discovered that I use my laptop for real work and Windows 8 makes real work hard.  Even when you know how to use it, it is still hard.  I often use a tablet for the internet and "social" stuff, but even that is not as easy to accomplish (I.e. that is also "real work" as on a Windows 7 computer.  If I want to sit in my car or in my easy chair I will use my tablet but if I have serious research, opening a couple of instances of Chrome, with tabs, dragging tabs down to create new instances to research something... I go to my computer.  My Windows 7 computer.
> 
> I finally just broke down and bought Windows 7 pro and installed it.  It was a MAJOR PITA to find all of the drivers for the chipset, touch screen etc.  But I ended up with a fully functioning Windows 7.  Given that all laptops come with 5400 rpm drives, and I was going to replace mine, I decided to buy a Samsung EVO 500 gb drive. WHOA!!! Smokin'  The difference in everything I do is flat out incredible.
> 
> The Windows experience is 7.8-7.9 in everything except the graphics which is a 6.7 due to Intel's sucky graphics chips.  Oh to have a quad core I7 and AMD's graphics.  Oh well.
> 
> I now LOVE my laptop.
> 
> My son has a Windows XP system, very old.  He downloads a ton of crap and managed to get it so infected that I had major problems getting it sanitized.  So I am building a new system.   Given that XP loses the last vestiges of support in two months I decided to use Windows 7 for that as well.  Which leaves me in a quandary.  Do I buy a handful of copies for future proofing?  Windows 7 sales (from third parties like new egg) will go away in about 6 months.
> 
> On a final note to Metro bashing... Has anyone been to MSNBC lately?  OMG.  I no longer use that as my goto news source since I cannot find anything without paging down through page after page of pictures about crap I am not interested in.  Someone bought into Metro big time.
> 
> -- 
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> 
> Windows 8 is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Wed Feb 26 14:07:02 2014
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 14:07:02 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Feeding Data into Access from Hundreds of Excel Files
	with no Common Definition
References: <CALGJE94+NsQ1coBJdYQXct=4syob53nQQ3dOtaEckVr5aA9wMQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKvidAvt2MQjNA=yyeg4rUuH24rDL7HF5mvi7usQLQxntLY1_A@mail.gmail.com>
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All,  

I work for a 50 person firm that is in the employee recognition
business.  For the past 15 years, our customers (companies) have sent
preliminary order information to us primarily via Excel files.  The
catch is that there is currently not a "common definition" for these
Excel files.  Therefore, incorporating this data into our Order Entry
System (Access 2007 based) requires a lot of manual "cutting and
pasting".  In the past, I have proposed that we institute a common
definition, but our Marketing/Sales people are not in favor of this as
it would shift the burden to our customers.

A couple years ago, I tried to automate the processing of these Excel
input files with Access VBA code.  I gave up on this approach as things
became too complex due to the hundreds of slightly different Excel file
definitions.

Recently, I have started to work on a new "semi-automated" approach.
This approach would utilize a "Staging" Excel file which will have a
single common definition.  Once the data is in this Staging file, it
will be easy to move the data into the Access database.

To reduce the amount of manual work of getting the data from the
original Excel files (various definitions) into the Staging Excel file
(one definition), I have started to build a number of Excel Macros.
These Macros can be used for such things as (1) set names to Proper Case
(2) Move the location of columns (3) concatenate two columns to create a
new column (4) eliminate quotes, hyphens, etc. (5) rounding (6) and
several other types of data manipulation.

With all of this background info, I have a couple questions.

Has anyone else ever had to deal with a similar situation of hundreds of
Excel files with slightly different definitions?

If so, what approach was used?

Thanks,
Brad



From davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 14:32:01 2014
From: davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com (David A Gibson)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 14:32:01 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Converting case
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LCase will lowercase all of the letters.  UCase will UPPERCASE all of the
letters. What you want is ProperCase.  Google or search the archives for
that.

David Gibson






















On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 10:49 PM, Kathryn Bassett <kathryn at bassett.net>wrote:

> On to another. Googling gets me some answers for Excel, but not Access.
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/c5cg7uji1kkhr0i/ConnerBishopHistoriesPlay.accdb
>
> In the Histories table, I converted the Country field using Find/Replace.
> But I don't relish the time required to do that with StateProvince, County,
> and Town. Is there a quick way to change those to first letter upper case,
> rest lower case?
>
> For instance NOVA SCOTIA to Nova Scotia, SAINT JEAN to Saint Jean, CLARKE
> COUNTY to Clarke County?
>
> --
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> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net
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>
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Wed Feb 26 14:42:38 2014
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 12:42:38 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
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Gustav.

I think Microsoft designed Windows 8 just for you. :)


> It's an outdated left-over from Windows 95 (seems like everyone have forgotten how MS was ridiculed when it introduced).

What? When? I don?t ever recall the Start Menu being ridiculed when it was introduced. And, personally, I was happy it came along, because I was using something similar in function as the start menu in Windows 3.11, only that you could access it via a right click of the desktop. It made Win3.11 so much more usable.


> As I have mentioned before, the Metro/Modern UI is a masterpiece in design, and if you can't "see" this, it is because of exactly this, that excellent design doesn't stand forward, it only supports the function

So your logic is: Metro/Modern UI is a masterpiece in design. It is not possible to disagree. If you try to disagree, it is only evidence that it is a masterpiece in design.

http://i.imgur.com/2St5C4B.jpg


> and if you don't realize this, just borrow a Mac for a moment and study what old-fashioned is about, indeed the ugly animation that sucks windows when they are minimized and the sloshing icons at the bottom. I guess you get used to it, but it makes me feel sick.

I find it amusing that before Windows 8, people would criticize OS X for being flashy and all about aesthetics. Form over function etc. Windows is for the power user, who values performance and a consistent UI that improves incrementally.

Now OS X is apparently old fashioned and has ugly animations, while Windows 8 is a masterpiece in modern UX/UI design.

It?s an upside down world, I tell?s ya. Although, to be honest, I?m not sure most people agree with you, Gustav.


- Hans




On Feb 26, 2014, at 12:55 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Arthur
> 
> You nailed it as usual. I was playing with words like stubborn old farts, but pussies is much nicer!
> 
> I've used Windows 8 (now 8.1 of course) on my home workstation since the very first developer edition (with the wonderful fish on the desktop) and with zero add-ons as I've never been a fan of the small and miserable and messy Start menu. It's an outdated left-over from Windows 95 (seems like everyone have forgotten how MS was ridiculed when it introduced).
> We still run Win7 and a little WinXP at the office but we seriously consider moving to Win8 after the next update.
> 
> As I have mentioned before, the Metro/Modern UI is a masterpiece in design, and if you can't "see" this, it is because of exactly this, that excellent design doesn't stand forward, it only supports the function - and if you don't realize this, just borrow a Mac for a moment and study what old-fashioned is about, indeed the ugly animation that sucks windows when they are minimized and the sloshing icons at the bottom. I guess you get used to it, but it makes me feel sick.
> 
> Of course, as a developer I mostly use the desktop of Win8. Also, my 27" monitor has no touch, so the Metro interface is mouse only for me. But the organization of icons in groups on the Start screen is a big progress compared to the multilevel Start menu of Win7-.
> 
> Further, it is like most look at Win8 as Win7 with another interface. That is not so. It is faster, and with an SSD drive you have finally reached what a computer should be: Instantly on and off with sleep mode, and only few seconds to the login screen from a cold boot.
> 
> Finally, as Martin mentions, where Windows 8 really shines is on a tablet. We have a Surface Pro 2, a wonderful machine, and I have used the old desktop on that. It is doable, but don't forget your glasses or the pen-pointer. It is not productive, and if that would have been the only option, people would have bashed MS, much like what happened with the old Windows Mobile. Something had to be done, and the Metro/Modern touch interface is the answer. Apps can be snipped/snapped in and out and you quickly feel at home.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller
> Sendt: 25. februar 2014 21:05
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
> 
> IMHO, you folks are all pussies and refuse to see what's great about Windows 8. With the proviso that you download and install ClassicShell (google it). This free tool goes a long way toward making Windows 8 palatable for old-timers. In fact it goes further than that; it's smarter and better than the old classic start menu.
> 
> Even without this wonderful tool, there are a few key things you can do to smarten up your startup tile UI: most notably, you can drag the tiles into an arrangement of your choice, and also create groups of tiles containing associated programs (i.e. a Media group, a SQL group, etc. And most significantly, you can drag your most frequently-visited programs to the top left of the tile groups. In my tile setup, the first tile is Desktop. I have two monitors and the desktop opens on the large monitor. I also make extensive use of the QuickLaunch bar, and the programs soon learn which monitor they should load on.
> 
> That custom setup accomplished, you are now in a position to see some of the startup, performance and memory management advantages of Windows 8.1. I can only say that I'd never consider going back to Windows 7. I still have a copy of it, but it's on a separate box entirely, and I find myself using that box less and less -- just for large downloads and for running Ubuntu Linux.
> 
> I have one more customization of the Win 8.1 laptop planned. I recently read a net piece on how to hook up two external monitors to a laptop.
> That's next. I'll have three monitors, two external and the laptop monitor.
> That will be very cool.
> 
> My $0.02.
> 
> Arthur 
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From Rusty.Hammond at cpiqpc.com  Wed Feb 26 14:53:12 2014
From: Rusty.Hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 14:53:12 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Feeding Data into Access from Hundreds of Excel
	Fileswith no Common Definition
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We finally went to the approach of making the customer put their data in
a universal format that they can upload to a website.  For a long time,
in our application for processing participant flexible spending
accounts, we had a module that our users could define the file layout
taht the customer was sending to us and save that definition (ie column
A is participant name).  As long as the customer was consistent in the
format they used, our users just called up the saved def for that client
and use it to import their file.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 2:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Feeding Data into Access from Hundreds of Excel
Fileswith no Common Definition

All,  

I work for a 50 person firm that is in the employee recognition
business.  For the past 15 years, our customers (companies) have sent
preliminary order information to us primarily via Excel files.  The
catch is that there is currently not a "common definition" for these
Excel files.  Therefore, incorporating this data into our Order Entry
System (Access 2007 based) requires a lot of manual "cutting and
pasting".  In the past, I have proposed that we institute a common
definition, but our Marketing/Sales people are not in favor of this as
it would shift the burden to our customers.

A couple years ago, I tried to automate the processing of these Excel
input files with Access VBA code.  I gave up on this approach as things
became too complex due to the hundreds of slightly different Excel file
definitions.

Recently, I have started to work on a new "semi-automated" approach.
This approach would utilize a "Staging" Excel file which will have a
single common definition.  Once the data is in this Staging file, it
will be easy to move the data into the Access database.

To reduce the amount of manual work of getting the data from the
original Excel files (various definitions) into the Staging Excel file
(one definition), I have started to build a number of Excel Macros.
These Macros can be used for such things as (1) set names to Proper Case
(2) Move the location of columns (3) concatenate two columns to create a
new column (4) eliminate quotes, hyphens, etc. (5) rounding (6) and
several other types of data manipulation.

With all of this background info, I have a couple questions.

Has anyone else ever had to deal with a similar situation of hundreds of
Excel files with slightly different definitions?

If so, what approach was used?

Thanks,
Brad


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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 15:08:08 2014
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 13:08:08 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Converting case
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In addition to UCase, and VB ProperCase, I created one years ago.
I never liked the way Proper Case worked.

My code is fugly, but it works.  I updated the SQL version a few years ago
(but never uploaded it on Roger's site)

Anyway, if you'd like to try it you can download it from:
http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/forum/proper-case-function_topic166.html

Here's a sample of input and outputs:

Input                         Output

DAVID MCAFEE      David McAfee

david mcafee           David McAfee

eee movers              EEE Movers

joe bob smith           Joe Bob Smith

mary jo brady          Mary Jo Brady

a.b.c. industries       A.B.C. Industries

b&b mfg                  B&B Mfg

sharon o'conner       Sharon O'Conner

don't                       Don't

tom's diner              Tom's Diner

Adamczyk              Adamczyk

tomcheck                Tomcheck

oscar de la hoya      Oscar de La Hoya

a b c Manufacturing  A B C Manufacturing

florina dimartini         Florina diMartini



On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 10:57 PM, Kathryn Bassett <kathryn at bassett.net>wrote:

> Thanks, I'll give it a try tomorrow.
>

From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Feb 26 15:12:15 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 21:12:15 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
In-Reply-To: <530E4403.3080405@gmail.com>
References: <744ddc7d80ac48bcb37b9aedb172a662@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<530E3E43.3000903@gmail.com>
	<ad072e251ebb4258af32ac4a2d5f0d5a@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<530E4403.3080405@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7e61f4679a5e421e93f3f75f5fd73edc@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi John

I don't get it. It is exactly what can be done out of the box.
I can't even find a way to hide the taskbar permanently.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com>
Sendt: 26. februar 2014 20:44
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase

As for "where I put it", I never found it.  I found places to download "kinda sorta" third party
equivalents (which I used) which were not as powerful as the original task bar.


From df.waters at comcast.net  Wed Feb 26 15:13:40 2014
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 15:13:40 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Feeding Data into Access from Hundreds of Excel
	Files	with no Common Definition
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501C4823B@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <CALGJE94+NsQ1coBJdYQXct=4syob53nQQ3dOtaEckVr5aA9wMQ@mail.gmail.com>	<CAKvidAvt2MQjNA=yyeg4rUuH24rDL7HF5mvi7usQLQxntLY1_A@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501C4823B@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <002301cf3337$9f9fedb0$dedfc910$@comcast.net>

Hi Brad,

Actually, this is what a company website - yours - would be ideal for.  But
I'm sure you've suggested this and the price to get it done is a challenge.

My suggestion is that you develop an Customer Order Entry Access database
that all your customers can use to create their order (they each get their
own copy).  This should be set up so that they only use the forms to input
their information.  Because, in the end, you collect the same information
from all your customers anyway, there must be a common definition of what
information you need.  Once they enter the information into your Customer
Order database, they can push the Send button to send you an excel file, and
you can directly import that file into your database.  They can also save
their own copy of the Excel file for their records.

Your design might need to incorporate some configurability for data
differences among your customers.

A caveat is when you send them an updated Customer Order Entry database,
that the data in the previous one will not be included.  It's just a tool
for easy and accurate data entry.

Hope this helps!
Dan


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 2:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Feeding Data into Access from Hundreds of Excel Files
with no Common Definition

All,  

I work for a 50 person firm that is in the employee recognition business.
For the past 15 years, our customers (companies) have sent preliminary order
information to us primarily via Excel files.  The catch is that there is
currently not a "common definition" for these Excel files.  Therefore,
incorporating this data into our Order Entry System (Access 2007 based)
requires a lot of manual "cutting and pasting".  In the past, I have
proposed that we institute a common definition, but our Marketing/Sales
people are not in favor of this as it would shift the burden to our
customers.

A couple years ago, I tried to automate the processing of these Excel input
files with Access VBA code.  I gave up on this approach as things became too
complex due to the hundreds of slightly different Excel file definitions.

Recently, I have started to work on a new "semi-automated" approach.
This approach would utilize a "Staging" Excel file which will have a single
common definition.  Once the data is in this Staging file, it will be easy
to move the data into the Access database.

To reduce the amount of manual work of getting the data from the original
Excel files (various definitions) into the Staging Excel file (one
definition), I have started to build a number of Excel Macros.
These Macros can be used for such things as (1) set names to Proper Case
(2) Move the location of columns (3) concatenate two columns to create a new
column (4) eliminate quotes, hyphens, etc. (5) rounding (6) and several
other types of data manipulation.

With all of this background info, I have a couple questions.

Has anyone else ever had to deal with a similar situation of hundreds of
Excel files with slightly different definitions?

If so, what approach was used?

Thanks,
Brad


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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 15:18:33 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 16:18:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
In-Reply-To: <8E74F7BD-DF87-44A1-98FF-1CEEE76E0C01@phulse.com>
References: <de1a373f65a644d1afe98921dba6d756@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<8E74F7BD-DF87-44A1-98FF-1CEEE76E0C01@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jAH+ZZPjmtdR0rUfH0uOR-fqgVYaO59DU+LqpvjbGqag@mail.gmail.com>

There are two significant things (at least) to consider here:

a) the experience of newbies, plus that of tablet and smart phone users;
b) the tendencies of power users / developers to want things to work the
way they used to.

Speaking strictly for myself, I find that my development efforts go
increasingly away from the desktop and toward tablets and smart phones and
traditional browsers.

That means that touch-screen awareness is mandatory, and along with that,
all the gestures such as scroll-left and scroll-right and open this with a
pinch and close that with a pinch... and all this leads to freedom from the
desk. All this leads to the ability to do useful work from the local
Starbucks or Second Cup or even my couch.


As things stand, Access cannot even come close to developing/deploying such
an app. Visual Studio and several other products do come close. For my
investment, the best choice is Alpha Anywhere, which I have previously
stated. But regardless of one's chosen weapon, the future is crystal-clear,
and it has little or nothing to do with traditional desktop apps.

I don't see any possible argument against this. The market has moved in a
huge way away from desktop PCs (although they continue to sell, but in
diminishing market share) and toward phones and tablets. If your software
won't run on both those platforms, then consider its life less than a year.
These are IMO the brutal facts.

Currently I am in the process of rewriting my last several apps to support
phone and tablet and browser deployment. Most of this work is unpaid; I'm
doing it so that I can master the technology involved. My current choice is
Alpha Anywhere. Your needs may differ. This is not an argument in favour of
this or that IDE and toolset; rather it's an argument that regarding the
traditional Desktop App, it's Over; it's a relic of history, like CP/M and
DOS.

The world has changed. Get used to it, or get paved.

Arthur


On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen <
hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote:

>
> Gustav.
>
> I think Microsoft designed Windows 8 just for you. :)
>
>
> > It's an outdated left-over from Windows 95 (seems like everyone have
> forgotten how MS was ridiculed when it introduced).
>
> What? When? I don't ever recall the Start Menu being ridiculed when it was
> introduced. And, personally, I was happy it came along, because I was using
> something similar in function as the start menu in Windows 3.11, only that
> you could access it via a right click of the desktop. It made Win3.11 so
> much more usable.
>
>
> > As I have mentioned before, the Metro/Modern UI is a masterpiece in
> design, and if you can't "see" this, it is because of exactly this, that
> excellent design doesn't stand forward, it only supports the function
>
> So your logic is: Metro/Modern UI is a masterpiece in design. It is not
> possible to disagree. If you try to disagree, it is only evidence that it
> is a masterpiece in design.
>
> http://i.imgur.com/2St5C4B.jpg
>
>
> > and if you don't realize this, just borrow a Mac for a moment and study
> what old-fashioned is about, indeed the ugly animation that sucks windows
> when they are minimized and the sloshing icons at the bottom. I guess you
> get used to it, but it makes me feel sick.
>
> I find it amusing that before Windows 8, people would criticize OS X for
> being flashy and all about aesthetics. Form over function etc. Windows is
> for the power user, who values performance and a consistent UI that
> improves incrementally.
>
> Now OS X is apparently old fashioned and has ugly animations, while
> Windows 8 is a masterpiece in modern UX/UI design.
>
> It's an upside down world, I tell's ya. Although, to be honest, I'm not
> sure most people agree with you, Gustav.
>
>
> - Hans
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 26, 2014, at 12:55 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> > Hi Arthur
> >
> > You nailed it as usual. I was playing with words like stubborn old
> farts, but pussies is much nicer!
> >
> > I've used Windows 8 (now 8.1 of course) on my home workstation since the
> very first developer edition (with the wonderful fish on the desktop) and
> with zero add-ons as I've never been a fan of the small and miserable and
> messy Start menu. It's an outdated left-over from Windows 95 (seems like
> everyone have forgotten how MS was ridiculed when it introduced).
> > We still run Win7 and a little WinXP at the office but we seriously
> consider moving to Win8 after the next update.
> >
> > As I have mentioned before, the Metro/Modern UI is a masterpiece in
> design, and if you can't "see" this, it is because of exactly this, that
> excellent design doesn't stand forward, it only supports the function - and
> if you don't realize this, just borrow a Mac for a moment and study what
> old-fashioned is about, indeed the ugly animation that sucks windows when
> they are minimized and the sloshing icons at the bottom. I guess you get
> used to it, but it makes me feel sick.
> >
> > Of course, as a developer I mostly use the desktop of Win8. Also, my 27"
> monitor has no touch, so the Metro interface is mouse only for me. But the
> organization of icons in groups on the Start screen is a big progress
> compared to the multilevel Start menu of Win7-.
> >
> > Further, it is like most look at Win8 as Win7 with another interface.
> That is not so. It is faster, and with an SSD drive you have finally
> reached what a computer should be: Instantly on and off with sleep mode,
> and only few seconds to the login screen from a cold boot.
> >
> > Finally, as Martin mentions, where Windows 8 really shines is on a
> tablet. We have a Surface Pro 2, a wonderful machine, and I have used the
> old desktop on that. It is doable, but don't forget your glasses or the
> pen-pointer. It is not productive, and if that would have been the only
> option, people would have bashed MS, much like what happened with the old
> Windows Mobile. Something had to be done, and the Metro/Modern touch
> interface is the answer. Apps can be snipped/snapped in and out and you
> quickly feel at home.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
> > -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller
> > Sendt: 25. februar 2014 21:05
> > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
> >
> > IMHO, you folks are all pussies and refuse to see what's great about
> Windows 8. With the proviso that you download and install ClassicShell
> (google it). This free tool goes a long way toward making Windows 8
> palatable for old-timers. In fact it goes further than that; it's smarter
> and better than the old classic start menu.
> >
> > Even without this wonderful tool, there are a few key things you can do
> to smarten up your startup tile UI: most notably, you can drag the tiles
> into an arrangement of your choice, and also create groups of tiles
> containing associated programs (i.e. a Media group, a SQL group, etc. And
> most significantly, you can drag your most frequently-visited programs to
> the top left of the tile groups. In my tile setup, the first tile is
> Desktop. I have two monitors and the desktop opens on the large monitor. I
> also make extensive use of the QuickLaunch bar, and the programs soon learn
> which monitor they should load on.
> >
> > That custom setup accomplished, you are now in a position to see some of
> the startup, performance and memory management advantages of Windows 8.1. I
> can only say that I'd never consider going back to Windows 7. I still have
> a copy of it, but it's on a separate box entirely, and I find myself using
> that box less and less -- just for large downloads and for running Ubuntu
> Linux.
> >
> > I have one more customization of the Win 8.1 laptop planned. I recently
> read a net piece on how to hook up two external monitors to a laptop.
> > That's next. I'll have three monitors, two external and the laptop
> monitor.
> > That will be very cool.
> >
> > My $0.02.
> >
> > Arthur
> >
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 15:22:19 2014
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 15:22:19 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Feeding Data into Access from Hundreds of Excel Files
 with no Common Definition
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501C4823B@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <CALGJE94+NsQ1coBJdYQXct=4syob53nQQ3dOtaEckVr5aA9wMQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKvidAvt2MQjNA=yyeg4rUuH24rDL7HF5mvi7usQLQxntLY1_A@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C501C4823B@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_p+ocMgj7XF_CmL0wuu8tWo3pki+_T24RjWxCPuTBgWzFw@mail.gmail.com>

I would shift the burden to the sales and marketing people to standardize
the data. If it's received in the desired format it goes straight in. Have
any file in a non-standard form sent to them and have them update it to the
standard. Then they will be a little more willing to kindly ask the
customers to please use the template provided which really is NOT a burden
as the customers don't have to think up their own format. Sometimes what we
think is harder is actually easier. .

GK





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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Feb 26 15:40:45 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 21:40:45 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
In-Reply-To: <8E74F7BD-DF87-44A1-98FF-1CEEE76E0C01@phulse.com>
References: <de1a373f65a644d1afe98921dba6d756@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<8E74F7BD-DF87-44A1-98FF-1CEEE76E0C01@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <b55c14460ae54bfcbd8d99b8b2c7350f@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Hans

Thanks. You really make me feel ahead of the crowd. Perhaps I just am better than most to find and appreciate the new opportunities rather than sticking to the past. It is claimed that positive people will live longer than those spending a lot of energy being negative. Fingers crossed.

As of today, no one has argued that the old desktop is preferable for a touch screen. It was a dead end. Something had to be done. The brilliant thing is, that the Metro/Modern interface potentially can scale from a wristwatch or a lightswitch to a laserbeam operated cinemascreen.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>
Sendt: 26. februar 2014 21:42
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase

Gustav.

I think Microsoft designed Windows 8 just for you. :)


> It's an outdated left-over from Windows 95 (seems like everyone have forgotten how MS was ridiculed when it introduced).

What? When? I don?t ever recall the Start Menu being ridiculed when it was introduced. And, personally, I was happy it came along, because I was using something similar in function as the start menu in Windows 3.11, only that you could access it via a right click of the desktop. It made Win3.11 so much more usable.


> As I have mentioned before, the Metro/Modern UI is a masterpiece in design, and if you can't "see" this, it is because of exactly this, that excellent design doesn't stand forward, it only supports the function

So your logic is: Metro/Modern UI is a masterpiece in design. It is not possible to disagree. If you try to disagree, it is only evidence that it is a masterpiece in design.

http://i.imgur.com/2St5C4B.jpg


> and if you don't realize this, just borrow a Mac for a moment and study what old-fashioned is about, indeed the ugly animation that sucks windows when they are minimized and the sloshing icons at the bottom. I guess you get used to it, but it makes me feel sick.

I find it amusing that before Windows 8, people would criticize OS X for being flashy and all about aesthetics. Form over function etc. Windows is for the power user, who values performance and a consistent UI that improves incrementally.

Now OS X is apparently old fashioned and has ugly animations, while Windows 8 is a masterpiece in modern UX/UI design.

It?s an upside down world, I tell?s ya. Although, to be honest, I?m not sure most people agree with you, Gustav.


- Hans




On Feb 26, 2014, at 12:55 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Arthur
>
> You nailed it as usual. I was playing with words like stubborn old farts, but pussies is much nicer!
>
> I've used Windows 8 (now 8.1 of course) on my home workstation since the very first developer edition (with the wonderful fish on the desktop) and with zero add-ons as I've never been a fan of the small and miserable and messy Start menu. It's an outdated left-over from Windows 95 (seems like everyone have forgotten how MS was ridiculed when it introduced).
> We still run Win7 and a little WinXP at the office but we seriously consider moving to Win8 after the next update.
>
> As I have mentioned before, the Metro/Modern UI is a masterpiece in design, and if you can't "see" this, it is because of exactly this, that excellent design doesn't stand forward, it only supports the function - and if you don't realize this, just borrow a Mac for a moment and study what old-fashioned is about, indeed the ugly animation that sucks windows when they are minimized and the sloshing icons at the bottom. I guess you get used to it, but it makes me feel sick.
>
> Of course, as a developer I mostly use the desktop of Win8. Also, my 27" monitor has no touch, so the Metro interface is mouse only for me. But the organization of icons in groups on the Start screen is a big progress compared to the multilevel Start menu of Win7-.
>
> Further, it is like most look at Win8 as Win7 with another interface. That is not so. It is faster, and with an SSD drive you have finally reached what a computer should be: Instantly on and off with sleep mode, and only few seconds to the login screen from a cold boot.
>
> Finally, as Martin mentions, where Windows 8 really shines is on a tablet. We have a Surface Pro 2, a wonderful machine, and I have used the old desktop on that. It is doable, but don't forget your glasses or the pen-pointer. It is not productive, and if that would have been the only option, people would have bashed MS, much like what happened with the old Windows Mobile. Something had to be done, and the Metro/Modern touch interface is the answer. Apps can be snipped/snapped in and out and you quickly feel at home.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller
> Sendt: 25. februar 2014 21:05
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
>
> IMHO, you folks are all pussies and refuse to see what's great about Windows 8. With the proviso that you download and install ClassicShell (google it). This free tool goes a long way toward making Windows 8 palatable for old-timers. In fact it goes further than that; it's smarter and better than the old classic start menu.
>
> Even without this wonderful tool, there are a few key things you can do to smarten up your startup tile UI: most notably, you can drag the tiles into an arrangement of your choice, and also create groups of tiles containing associated programs (i.e. a Media group, a SQL group, etc. And most significantly, you can drag your most frequently-visited programs to the top left of the tile groups. In my tile setup, the first tile is Desktop. I have two monitors and the desktop opens on the large monitor. I also make extensive use of the QuickLaunch bar, and the programs soon learn which monitor they should load on.
>
> That custom setup accomplished, you are now in a position to see some of the startup, performance and memory management advantages of Windows 8.1. I can only say that I'd never consider going back to Windows 7. I still have a copy of it, but it's on a separate box entirely, and I find myself using that box less and less -- just for large downloads and for running Ubuntu Linux.
>
> I have one more customization of the Win 8.1 laptop planned. I recently read a net piece on how to hook up two external monitors to a laptop.
> That's next. I'll have three monitors, two external and the laptop monitor.
> That will be very cool.
>
> My $0.02.
>
> Arthur
>
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 15:43:23 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 16:43:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
In-Reply-To: <7e61f4679a5e421e93f3f75f5fd73edc@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <744ddc7d80ac48bcb37b9aedb172a662@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<530E3E43.3000903@gmail.com>	<ad072e251ebb4258af32ac4a2d5f0d5a@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<530E4403.3080405@gmail.com>
	<7e61f4679a5e421e93f3f75f5fd73edc@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <530E5FFB.7040802@gmail.com>

Do you have Windows 8.1?  When I look up Windows 8 taskbar it says that it applies  to Windows 8.1 
and 8.1 RT.

There was something about 8.1 (don't remember what) that was "the last straw" and caused me to 
uninstall the whole mess.  I couldn't uninstall the 8.1 update so I decided that it was so 
unfriendly I would just wait for 9.0 and went out and bought a copy of Windows 7 to install.  So 99% 
of my attempts to use was with 8.0.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/26/2014 4:12 PM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi John
>
> I don't get it. It is exactly what can be done out of the box.
> I can't even find a way to hide the taskbar permanently.
>
> /gustav
>
> ________________________________________
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com>
> Sendt: 26. februar 2014 20:44
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
>
> As for "where I put it", I never found it.  I found places to download "kinda sorta" third party
> equivalents (which I used) which were not as powerful as the original task bar.
>


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Feb 26 15:49:30 2014
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 07:49:30 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Converting case
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWYjUZeRM3Y30Scr0Hu6_k=ew5OTe+-zk-USQ6swJhsWjA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <172E3774CC114A388122B1413C8E9597@BondSoftware.local>,
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAAIaeluvlt19MjUL+RT01+8oBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>,
	<CAMhYZWYjUZeRM3Y30Scr0Hu6_k=ew5OTe+-zk-USQ6swJhsWjA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <530E616A.18760.E7E7116@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

How does it do on the last word in  David MacAfee versus  International Business  Machines 
:)

-- 
Stuart

On 26 Feb 2014 at 13:08, David McAfee wrote:

> Here's a sample of input and outputs:
> 
> Input                         Output
> 
> DAVID MCAFEE      David McAfee
> 
> david mcafee           David McAfee
> 


From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Feb 26 15:55:23 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 21:55:23 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
In-Reply-To: <530E5FFB.7040802@gmail.com>
References: <744ddc7d80ac48bcb37b9aedb172a662@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<530E3E43.3000903@gmail.com>
	<ad072e251ebb4258af32ac4a2d5f0d5a@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<530E4403.3080405@gmail.com>
	<7e61f4679a5e421e93f3f75f5fd73edc@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<530E5FFB.7040802@gmail.com>
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Hi John

I can't recall anything else than that it has always been there:

http://www.windows.sky-software.com/articles/windows_8_taskbar.htm

Time for a reinstall??

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com>
Sendt: 26. februar 2014 22:43
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase

Do you have Windows 8.1?  When I look up Windows 8 taskbar it says that it applies  to Windows 8.1
and 8.1 RT.

There was something about 8.1 (don't remember what) that was "the last straw" and caused me to
uninstall the whole mess.  I couldn't uninstall the 8.1 update so I decided that it was so
unfriendly I would just wait for 9.0 and went out and bought a copy of Windows 7 to install.  So 99%
of my attempts to use was with 8.0.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/26/2014 4:12 PM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi John
>
> I don't get it. It is exactly what can be done out of the box.
> I can't even find a way to hide the taskbar permanently.
>
> /gustav
>
> ________________________________________
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com>
> Sendt: 26. februar 2014 20:44
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
>
> As for "where I put it", I never found it.  I found places to download "kinda sorta" third party
> equivalents (which I used) which were not as powerful as the original task bar.

From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 16:00:26 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 17:00:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
In-Reply-To: <b55c14460ae54bfcbd8d99b8b2c7350f@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <de1a373f65a644d1afe98921dba6d756@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<8E74F7BD-DF87-44A1-98FF-1CEEE76E0C01@phulse.com>
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I just don't get it.  You can't hover (yet) with a touch screen, although Samsung is bringing that 
to Android.  Hovering is an enormously useful tool (to me).  It is integral to how I use the 
computer.  My notebook has a touchscreen.  Even when I used it (without the external monitor) I 
didn't use the touchscreen much because the constant crap on the screen annoys me.  My daughter does 
though.  And I clean the screen whenever she leaves.  So even when I used just the built-in screen I 
used a mouse.  There are in fact useful actions (pinch zoom) that cannot be done with a mouse but 
when I am doing "real work" I never use those anyway.

Arthur claims that the desktop is dead but I just finished a contract at IBM where thousands of 
people use desktops.  They are NEVER going to do database entry using a tablet.  Maybe someday 
(perhaps even soon) voice will be accurate enough, but for the moment, entering data into a 
database, typing into a document, entering data into a spreadsheet, all of those "business" 
activities just do not map well to touch.  You absolutely need a keyboard, and (for these 
activities) a mouse is easier than touch.

I have a smart phone, I love it.  I have an Adroid tablet, I love it.  Voice entry on the cell works 
well, though not perfectly.  I will say something and when it gets it wrong, it does so again and 
again.  Frustrating.  Now... trying to get the insertion pointer into the right place on that small 
screen with my huge finger is equally frustrating.

My tablet I use all the time for browsing the internet.  I would NEVER wanrt to enter data into work 
apps using today's tablet technology.  Sure the meter maid and the Fed Ex driver carry them but the 
DATA was entered somewhere else using a... desktop computer!!!  99.999% of it with a keyboard and 
mouse.  Perhaps with the aid of a bar code scanner.  Perhaps with a small "handheld computer" with a 
dedicated keyboard for entering a few characters (quantity?).  I think Arthur is wanting the future 
so bad he is seeing it behind every bush.  He isn't noticing the dog peeing on his leg as he peers 
into the bush.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/26/2014 4:40 PM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi Hans
>
> Thanks. You really make me feel ahead of the crowd. Perhaps I just am better than most to find and appreciate the new opportunities rather than sticking to the past. It is claimed that positive people will live longer than those spending a lot of energy being negative. Fingers crossed.
>
> As of today, no one has argued that the old desktop is preferable for a touch screen. It was a dead end. Something had to be done. The brilliant thing is, that the Metro/Modern interface potentially can scale from a wristwatch or a lightswitch to a laserbeam operated cinemascreen.
>
> /gustav
>
> ________________________________________
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>
> Sendt: 26. februar 2014 21:42
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
>
> Gustav.
>
> I think Microsoft designed Windows 8 just for you. :)
>
>
>


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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 16:00:58 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 17:00:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
In-Reply-To: <3ce4fe34c2ef48f4863fca748fc88974@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <744ddc7d80ac48bcb37b9aedb172a662@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<530E3E43.3000903@gmail.com>	<ad072e251ebb4258af32ac4a2d5f0d5a@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<530E4403.3080405@gmail.com>	<7e61f4679a5e421e93f3f75f5fd73edc@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<530E5FFB.7040802@gmail.com>
	<3ce4fe34c2ef48f4863fca748fc88974@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <530E641A.6020907@gmail.com>

You must be joking?

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/26/2014 4:55 PM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi John
>
> I can't recall anything else than that it has always been there:
>
> http://www.windows.sky-software.com/articles/windows_8_taskbar.htm
>
> Time for a reinstall??
>
> /gustav
>
> ________________________________________
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com>
> Sendt: 26. februar 2014 22:43
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
>
> Do you have Windows 8.1?  When I look up Windows 8 taskbar it says that it applies  to Windows 8.1
> and 8.1 RT.
>
> There was something about 8.1 (don't remember what) that was "the last straw" and caused me to
> uninstall the whole mess.  I couldn't uninstall the 8.1 update so I decided that it was so
> unfriendly I would just wait for 9.0 and went out and bought a copy of Windows 7 to install.  So 99%
> of my attempts to use was with 8.0.
>
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 2/26/2014 4:12 PM, Gustav Brock wrote:
>> Hi John
>>
>> I don't get it. It is exactly what can be done out of the box.
>> I can't even find a way to hide the taskbar permanently.
>>
>> /gustav
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com>
>> Sendt: 26. februar 2014 20:44
>> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
>>
>> As for "where I put it", I never found it.  I found places to download "kinda sorta" third party
>> equivalents (which I used) which were not as powerful as the original task bar.


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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 16:13:51 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 17:13:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
In-Reply-To: <DF8CFA51-D058-4B6A-9AFD-F0AD52228606@phulse.com>
References: <530CD17B.9060801@gmail.com>
	<DF8CFA51-D058-4B6A-9AFD-F0AD52228606@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <530E671F.2020503@gmail.com>

Yea, I affectionately (not) call it "the metro design".

Someone out there in the world decided that absolutely huge pictures was best for me.  Windows 8 
does it, and many of the news orgs do it.  Maybe Facebook started it?

I dunno, but I wish they would stop it.  A total waste of my screen real estate.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/26/2014 2:44 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
> Just checked MSNBC after you mentioned it and? wow? that is a terrible, terrible design. Now I know where not to go if I want to see whats going on in the world at a glance, unless I want to see big close up pictures of John Kerry?s mug.
>
> Wow. How did this even get approved?
>
> - Hans
>
>
>
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 9:23 AM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I bought an HP Envy 17" at Sams a few months ago.  It came with Windows 8.  Ugh.  I tried to like it.  Then I tried to endure it.  I tried to modify it to get back Windows 7 like functionality.  I found myself not using the laptop for actual work, though it was OK (barely) for games and internet stuff.  I was pissed that I had spent a fair chunk of change on a very powerful, very nice laptop that I hated.
>>
>> Funny stuff here...
>>
>> http://www.loopinsight.com/2013/01/04/windows-8-review-the-thing-blows/
>>
>> And it pretty much mirrors my experience.  Even after working with it every day for a month I still had issues with things like drag and drop.  How can you drag and drop files between two windows when... you can only have ONE WINDOW?  And why should I be "allowed" two windows, but one of them has to be this scrunched up little slice docked to the left side while the other gets the rest of the screen?  I have a 23" monitor, PLENTY of room for many different windows when I need them.  But no, I am not "allowed" that.
>>
>> And why can't I minimize open programs to my task bar and click on them to reopen.  Oh yea, I remember now, there IS NO TASK BAR. What???  And when I want to see the wireless strength I can just look at the wireless icon down in the taskbar... oh yea I forgot, THERE IS NO TASKBAR.  In Windows 7 I use a handful of programs 99% of the time.  I pin them to the taskbar.  They stack.  If I am remoted in to 5 different machines (yes, I do that every day) then I hover over the taskbar and up pops a list of the open remote desktop sessions.  How do I accomplish that with Windows 8?
>>
>> How do you hover with a touch screen to begin with?  And why am I searching for third party apps to get back functionality that I need and was FORBIDDEN to have with Windows 8?  Is Microsoft my mom, telling me that I HAVE to do it this way?  Even my mom no longer tells me what to do.
>>
>> I did discover that all of the old Windows applications look like they always did, can be windowed, and have the minimize and close button.  But of course all of the "Windows 8 native" apps don't and don't and don't.
>>
>> And why do I have to rearrange a HUGE screen of HUGE blocks of pictures which pretty much have nothing to do with what they represent to get the ones I use most all on the screen at the same time.  Menus exist because they logically group operations.  In Windows 7 If I need an Office app I can go find all of the Microsoft office programs by finding the menu for that.  Yes, you have to hunt and figure that out but once you do the menu allows you to see groups of programs (or operations).  The "start" screen just has a bajillion HUGE blocks scrolling off to the right forever, mere and more as you add things to your computer.  Wow.  Try cut and paste between two apps.
>>
>> In the end, I discovered that I use my laptop for real work and Windows 8 makes real work hard.  Even when you know how to use it, it is still hard.  I often use a tablet for the internet and "social" stuff, but even that is not as easy to accomplish (I.e. that is also "real work" as on a Windows 7 computer.  If I want to sit in my car or in my easy chair I will use my tablet but if I have serious research, opening a couple of instances of Chrome, with tabs, dragging tabs down to create new instances to research something... I go to my computer.  My Windows 7 computer.
>>
>> I finally just broke down and bought Windows 7 pro and installed it.  It was a MAJOR PITA to find all of the drivers for the chipset, touch screen etc.  But I ended up with a fully functioning Windows 7.  Given that all laptops come with 5400 rpm drives, and I was going to replace mine, I decided to buy a Samsung EVO 500 gb drive. WHOA!!! Smokin'  The difference in everything I do is flat out incredible.
>>
>> The Windows experience is 7.8-7.9 in everything except the graphics which is a 6.7 due to Intel's sucky graphics chips.  Oh to have a quad core I7 and AMD's graphics.  Oh well.
>>
>> I now LOVE my laptop.
>>
>> My son has a Windows XP system, very old.  He downloads a ton of crap and managed to get it so infected that I had major problems getting it sanitized.  So I am building a new system.   Given that XP loses the last vestiges of support in two months I decided to use Windows 7 for that as well.  Which leaves me in a quandary.  Do I buy a handful of copies for future proofing?  Windows 7 sales (from third parties like new egg) will go away in about 6 months.
>>
>> On a final note to Metro bashing... Has anyone been to MSNBC lately?  OMG.  I no longer use that as my goto news source since I cannot find anything without paging down through page after page of pictures about crap I am not interested in.  Someone bought into Metro big time.
>>
>> -- 
>> John W. Colby
>>
>> Windows 8 is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 16:20:50 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 17:20:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
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LOL Hans, it is all about spin.

It is all about what we like.  There are those for whom a nipple clamp and ball gag makes sex oh so 
much better.

To me, Windows 8 is the nipple clamp, it hurts like hell... and the constant ridicule of anyone 
disagreeing is the ball gag.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/26/2014 3:42 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
> Gustav.
>
> I think Microsoft designed Windows 8 just for you. :)
>
>
>> It's an outdated left-over from Windows 95 (seems like everyone have forgotten how MS was ridiculed when it introduced).
> What? When? I don?t ever recall the Start Menu being ridiculed when it was introduced. And, personally, I was happy it came along, because I was using something similar in function as the start menu in Windows 3.11, only that you could access it via a right click of the desktop. It made Win3.11 so much more usable.
>
>
>> As I have mentioned before, the Metro/Modern UI is a masterpiece in design, and if you can't "see" this, it is because of exactly this, that excellent design doesn't stand forward, it only supports the function
> So your logic is: Metro/Modern UI is a masterpiece in design. It is not possible to disagree. If you try to disagree, it is only evidence that it is a masterpiece in design.
>
> http://i.imgur.com/2St5C4B.jpg
>
>
>> and if you don't realize this, just borrow a Mac for a moment and study what old-fashioned is about, indeed the ugly animation that sucks windows when they are minimized and the sloshing icons at the bottom. I guess you get used to it, but it makes me feel sick.
> I find it amusing that before Windows 8, people would criticize OS X for being flashy and all about aesthetics. Form over function etc. Windows is for the power user, who values performance and a consistent UI that improves incrementally.
>
> Now OS X is apparently old fashioned and has ugly animations, while Windows 8 is a masterpiece in modern UX/UI design.
>
> It?s an upside down world, I tell?s ya. Although, to be honest, I?m not sure most people agree with you, Gustav.
>
>
> - Hans
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 26, 2014, at 12:55 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
>> Hi Arthur
>>
>> You nailed it as usual. I was playing with words like stubborn old farts, but pussies is much nicer!
>>
>> I've used Windows 8 (now 8.1 of course) on my home workstation since the very first developer edition (with the wonderful fish on the desktop) and with zero add-ons as I've never been a fan of the small and miserable and messy Start menu. It's an outdated left-over from Windows 95 (seems like everyone have forgotten how MS was ridiculed when it introduced).
>> We still run Win7 and a little WinXP at the office but we seriously consider moving to Win8 after the next update.
>>
>> As I have mentioned before, the Metro/Modern UI is a masterpiece in design, and if you can't "see" this, it is because of exactly this, that excellent design doesn't stand forward, it only supports the function - and if you don't realize this, just borrow a Mac for a moment and study what old-fashioned is about, indeed the ugly animation that sucks windows when they are minimized and the sloshing icons at the bottom. I guess you get used to it, but it makes me feel sick.
>>
>> Of course, as a developer I mostly use the desktop of Win8. Also, my 27" monitor has no touch, so the Metro interface is mouse only for me. But the organization of icons in groups on the Start screen is a big progress compared to the multilevel Start menu of Win7-.
>>
>> Further, it is like most look at Win8 as Win7 with another interface. That is not so. It is faster, and with an SSD drive you have finally reached what a computer should be: Instantly on and off with sleep mode, and only few seconds to the login screen from a cold boot.
>>
>> Finally, as Martin mentions, where Windows 8 really shines is on a tablet. We have a Surface Pro 2, a wonderful machine, and I have used the old desktop on that. It is doable, but don't forget your glasses or the pen-pointer. It is not productive, and if that would have been the only option, people would have bashed MS, much like what happened with the old Windows Mobile. Something had to be done, and the Metro/Modern touch interface is the answer. Apps can be snipped/snapped in and out and you quickly feel at home.
>>
>> /gustav
>>
>>
>> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller
>> Sendt: 25. februar 2014 21:05
>> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
>>
>> IMHO, you folks are all pussies and refuse to see what's great about Windows 8. With the proviso that you download and install ClassicShell (google it). This free tool goes a long way toward making Windows 8 palatable for old-timers. In fact it goes further than that; it's smarter and better than the old classic start menu.
>>
>> Even without this wonderful tool, there are a few key things you can do to smarten up your startup tile UI: most notably, you can drag the tiles into an arrangement of your choice, and also create groups of tiles containing associated programs (i.e. a Media group, a SQL group, etc. And most significantly, you can drag your most frequently-visited programs to the top left of the tile groups. In my tile setup, the first tile is Desktop. I have two monitors and the desktop opens on the large monitor. I also make extensive use of the QuickLaunch bar, and the programs soon learn which monitor they should load on.
>>
>> That custom setup accomplished, you are now in a position to see some of the startup, performance and memory management advantages of Windows 8.1. I can only say that I'd never consider going back to Windows 7. I still have a copy of it, but it's on a separate box entirely, and I find myself using that box less and less -- just for large downloads and for running Ubuntu Linux.
>>
>> I have one more customization of the Win 8.1 laptop planned. I recently read a net piece on how to hook up two external monitors to a laptop.
>> That's next. I'll have three monitors, two external and the laptop monitor.
>> That will be very cool.
>>
>> My $0.02.
>>
>> Arthur
>>
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 16:30:22 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 17:30:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Feeding Data into Access from Hundreds of Excel Files
 with no Common Definition
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LOL, Hire Arthur to do this on his Windows phone.  Should be instructive.  And amusing.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/26/2014 3:07 PM, Brad Marks wrote:
> All,
>
> I work for a 50 person firm that is in the employee recognition
> business.  For the past 15 years, our customers (companies) have sent
> preliminary order information to us primarily via Excel files.  The
> catch is that there is currently not a "common definition" for these
> Excel files.  Therefore, incorporating this data into our Order Entry
> System (Access 2007 based) requires a lot of manual "cutting and
> pasting".  In the past, I have proposed that we institute a common
> definition, but our Marketing/Sales people are not in favor of this as
> it would shift the burden to our customers.
>
> A couple years ago, I tried to automate the processing of these Excel
> input files with Access VBA code.  I gave up on this approach as things
> became too complex due to the hundreds of slightly different Excel file
> definitions.
>
> Recently, I have started to work on a new "semi-automated" approach.
> This approach would utilize a "Staging" Excel file which will have a
> single common definition.  Once the data is in this Staging file, it
> will be easy to move the data into the Access database.
>
> To reduce the amount of manual work of getting the data from the
> original Excel files (various definitions) into the Staging Excel file
> (one definition), I have started to build a number of Excel Macros.
> These Macros can be used for such things as (1) set names to Proper Case
> (2) Move the location of columns (3) concatenate two columns to create a
> new column (4) eliminate quotes, hyphens, etc. (5) rounding (6) and
> several other types of data manipulation.
>
> With all of this background info, I have a couple questions.
>
> Has anyone else ever had to deal with a similar situation of hundreds of
> Excel files with slightly different definitions?
>
> If so, what approach was used?
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
>


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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Wed Feb 26 16:33:59 2014
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 14:33:59 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
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> The brilliant thing is, that the Metro/Modern interface potentially can scale from a wristwatch or a lightswitch to a laserbeam operated cinemascreen.

You mean, something like the Truman Show poster?
http://www.impawards.com/1998/truman_show_ver1_xlg.html

Mother of god. An icon? within a box. And repeated in a tiled fashion. That?s brilliant. Why hasn?t anyone else done this??? :)

To be honest, I never had a problem with Metro?s tiled interface in theory. The implementation of how apps behave when you click on them and the whole magic corners really breaks the whole thing for me. Also, having many of your tiles constantly change information makes for a very obnoxious interface for anything other than a news ticker display.

Microsoft could totally fix Metro and make it something people actually are interested in, but, as it currently stands, an excess of minimalism and rejection of decades of user interface design + the awesome magic corners makes it very difficult to love.

- Hans



On Feb 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Hans
> 
> Thanks. You really make me feel ahead of the crowd. Perhaps I just am better than most to find and appreciate the new opportunities rather than sticking to the past. It is claimed that positive people will live longer than those spending a lot of energy being negative. Fingers crossed.
> 
> As of today, no one has argued that the old desktop is preferable for a touch screen. It was a dead end. Something had to be done. The brilliant thing is, that the Metro/Modern interface potentially can scale from a wristwatch or a lightswitch to a laserbeam operated cinemascreen.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> ________________________________________
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>
> Sendt: 26. februar 2014 21:42
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
> 
> Gustav.
> 
> I think Microsoft designed Windows 8 just for you. :)
> 
> 
>> It's an outdated left-over from Windows 95 (seems like everyone have forgotten how MS was ridiculed when it introduced).
> 
> What? When? I don?t ever recall the Start Menu being ridiculed when it was introduced. And, personally, I was happy it came along, because I was using something similar in function as the start menu in Windows 3.11, only that you could access it via a right click of the desktop. It made Win3.11 so much more usable.
> 
> 
>> As I have mentioned before, the Metro/Modern UI is a masterpiece in design, and if you can't "see" this, it is because of exactly this, that excellent design doesn't stand forward, it only supports the function
> 
> So your logic is: Metro/Modern UI is a masterpiece in design. It is not possible to disagree. If you try to disagree, it is only evidence that it is a masterpiece in design.
> 
> http://i.imgur.com/2St5C4B.jpg
> 
> 
>> and if you don't realize this, just borrow a Mac for a moment and study what old-fashioned is about, indeed the ugly animation that sucks windows when they are minimized and the sloshing icons at the bottom. I guess you get used to it, but it makes me feel sick.
> 
> I find it amusing that before Windows 8, people would criticize OS X for being flashy and all about aesthetics. Form over function etc. Windows is for the power user, who values performance and a consistent UI that improves incrementally.
> 
> Now OS X is apparently old fashioned and has ugly animations, while Windows 8 is a masterpiece in modern UX/UI design.
> 
> It?s an upside down world, I tell?s ya. Although, to be honest, I?m not sure most people agree with you, Gustav.
> 
> 
> - Hans
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 26, 2014, at 12:55 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Arthur
>> 
>> You nailed it as usual. I was playing with words like stubborn old farts, but pussies is much nicer!
>> 
>> I've used Windows 8 (now 8.1 of course) on my home workstation since the very first developer edition (with the wonderful fish on the desktop) and with zero add-ons as I've never been a fan of the small and miserable and messy Start menu. It's an outdated left-over from Windows 95 (seems like everyone have forgotten how MS was ridiculed when it introduced).
>> We still run Win7 and a little WinXP at the office but we seriously consider moving to Win8 after the next update.
>> 
>> As I have mentioned before, the Metro/Modern UI is a masterpiece in design, and if you can't "see" this, it is because of exactly this, that excellent design doesn't stand forward, it only supports the function - and if you don't realize this, just borrow a Mac for a moment and study what old-fashioned is about, indeed the ugly animation that sucks windows when they are minimized and the sloshing icons at the bottom. I guess you get used to it, but it makes me feel sick.
>> 
>> Of course, as a developer I mostly use the desktop of Win8. Also, my 27" monitor has no touch, so the Metro interface is mouse only for me. But the organization of icons in groups on the Start screen is a big progress compared to the multilevel Start menu of Win7-.
>> 
>> Further, it is like most look at Win8 as Win7 with another interface. That is not so. It is faster, and with an SSD drive you have finally reached what a computer should be: Instantly on and off with sleep mode, and only few seconds to the login screen from a cold boot.
>> 
>> Finally, as Martin mentions, where Windows 8 really shines is on a tablet. We have a Surface Pro 2, a wonderful machine, and I have used the old desktop on that. It is doable, but don't forget your glasses or the pen-pointer. It is not productive, and if that would have been the only option, people would have bashed MS, much like what happened with the old Windows Mobile. Something had to be done, and the Metro/Modern touch interface is the answer. Apps can be snipped/snapped in and out and you quickly feel at home.
>> 
>> /gustav
>> 
>> 
>> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller
>> Sendt: 25. februar 2014 21:05
>> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
>> 
>> IMHO, you folks are all pussies and refuse to see what's great about Windows 8. With the proviso that you download and install ClassicShell (google it). This free tool goes a long way toward making Windows 8 palatable for old-timers. In fact it goes further than that; it's smarter and better than the old classic start menu.
>> 
>> Even without this wonderful tool, there are a few key things you can do to smarten up your startup tile UI: most notably, you can drag the tiles into an arrangement of your choice, and also create groups of tiles containing associated programs (i.e. a Media group, a SQL group, etc. And most significantly, you can drag your most frequently-visited programs to the top left of the tile groups. In my tile setup, the first tile is Desktop. I have two monitors and the desktop opens on the large monitor. I also make extensive use of the QuickLaunch bar, and the programs soon learn which monitor they should load on.
>> 
>> That custom setup accomplished, you are now in a position to see some of the startup, performance and memory management advantages of Windows 8.1. I can only say that I'd never consider going back to Windows 7. I still have a copy of it, but it's on a separate box entirely, and I find myself using that box less and less -- just for large downloads and for running Ubuntu Linux.
>> 
>> I have one more customization of the Win 8.1 laptop planned. I recently read a net piece on how to hook up two external monitors to a laptop.
>> That's next. I'll have three monitors, two external and the laptop monitor.
>> That will be very cool.
>> 
>> My $0.02.
>> 
>> Arthur
>> 
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 16:37:13 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 17:37:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Feeding Data into Access from Hundreds of Excel Files
 with no Common Definition
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_p+ocMgj7XF_CmL0wuu8tWo3pki+_T24RjWxCPuTBgWzFw@mail.gmail.com>
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Gary,

You raise some excellent points. Sometimes I think that developers shirk
their responsibility in lieu of providing "customer satisfaction" or
somesuch, and the result ends in an awkward mess. And I also confess to
sometimes doing it right, despite the client's intentions.

A case in point is what I call "upside down addresses": First thing I ask
for is Country, then region (state or province or canton), and finally
city. That way I can scope each successive dropdown to those that apply,
and also provide the means to add a new city to a region and thence to
country.

Not every app needs such finely-grained table definitions; but on the other
hand, if your firm does business in more than a few countries, this can be
a big help.

Arthur


On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 4:22 PM, Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:

> I would shift the burden to the sales and marketing people to standardize
> the data. If it's received in the desired format it goes straight in. Have
> any file in a non-standard form sent to them and have them update it to the
> standard. Then they will be a little more willing to kindly ask the
> customers to please use the template provided which really is NOT a burden
> as the customers don't have to think up their own format. Sometimes what we
> think is harder is actually easier. .
>
> GK
>
>
>
>
>
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 16:38:39 2014
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 17:38:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Converting case
In-Reply-To: <000001cf32bb$bf9dd9a0$3ed98ce0$@roadrunner.com>
References: <172E3774CC114A388122B1413C8E9597@BondSoftware.local>
	<F35C4737E33A6543BC69DFB19CB5748F106BC8@bsserver.BondSoftware.local>
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I rarely do this but I decided to look up what MSFT had to say about
StrConv function.

I was surprised to see in this post, a second argument in an assignment
statement (i.e., equal sign expression). Is that valid?
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/access-help/strconv-function-HA001228915.aspx
 Furthermore, using () in a byte declaration? I thought that was for
variants?

I feel like such a know-nothing!

Dim i As Long

Dim x() As Byte
x = "ABCDEFG", vbFromUnicode ' Convert string.
For i = 0 To UBound(x)
    Debug.Print x(i)
Next



On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 1:26 AM, Bob Gajewski <rbgajewski at roadrunner.com>wrote:

> Temp = StrConv(Temp, vbProperCase)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Bond
> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 00:59 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Converting case
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/815282
>
> Method 1 looks promising
>
>
> Stephen
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn Bassett
> Sent: Wednesday, 26 February 2014 6:00 p.m.
> To: Stephen
> Subject: [AccessD] Converting case
>
> On to another. Googling gets me some answers for Excel, but not Access.
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/c5cg7uji1kkhr0i/ConnerBishopHistoriesPlay.accdb
>
> In the Histories table, I converted the Country field using Find/Replace.
> But I don't relish the time required to do that with StateProvince, County,
> and Town. Is there a quick way to change those to first letter upper case,
> rest lower case?
>
> For instance NOVA SCOTIA to Nova Scotia, SAINT JEAN to Saint Jean, CLARKE
> COUNTY to Clarke County?
>
> --
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 16:40:38 2014
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 17:40:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Converting case
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V5a1ka2qvt6D3Ur_B9sC6LadDFhOyiaeAOw9=bmWzKNog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <172E3774CC114A388122B1413C8E9597@BondSoftware.local>
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Answered my own question in part, that it is declaring an array of type
byte... But the parameter after the equal sign.


On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 5:38 PM, William Benson <vbacreations at gmail.com>wrote:

> I rarely do this but I decided to look up what MSFT had to say about
> StrConv function.
>
> I was surprised to see in this post, a second argument in an assignment
> statement (i.e., equal sign expression). Is that valid?
>
> http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/access-help/strconv-function-HA001228915.aspx
>  Furthermore, using () in a byte declaration? I thought that was for
> variants?
>
> I feel like such a know-nothing!
>
> Dim i As Long
>
> Dim x() As Byte
> x = "ABCDEFG", vbFromUnicode ' Convert string.
> For i = 0 To UBound(x)
>     Debug.Print x(i)
> Next
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 1:26 AM, Bob Gajewski <rbgajewski at roadrunner.com>wrote:
>
>> Temp = StrConv(Temp, vbProperCase)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Bond
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 00:59 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Converting case
>>
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/815282
>>
>> Method 1 looks promising
>>
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn
>> Bassett
>> Sent: Wednesday, 26 February 2014 6:00 p.m.
>> To: Stephen
>> Subject: [AccessD] Converting case
>>
>> On to another. Googling gets me some answers for Excel, but not Access.
>>
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/c5cg7uji1kkhr0i/ConnerBishopHistoriesPlay.accdb
>>
>> In the Histories table, I converted the Country field using Find/Replace.
>> But I don't relish the time required to do that with StateProvince,
>> County,
>> and Town. Is there a quick way to change those to first letter upper case,
>> rest lower case?
>>
>> For instance NOVA SCOTIA to Nova Scotia, SAINT JEAN to Saint Jean, CLARKE
>> COUNTY to Clarke County?
>>
>> --
>> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
>> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
>> kathryn at bassett.net
>> http://bassett.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 16:42:29 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 17:42:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Feeding Data into Access from Hundreds of Excel Files
 with no Common Definition
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1h9hDjPhLVMsedb5V0BiOfAL7ULfvJkFXwkPuqFFce-1Q@mail.gmail.com>
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JWC,

Aside from the fact that Windows Phone does not include a
ShiftBurdenToSales API, I see no problem here. And further, Windows Phone
is just one of several platforms I could deploy said app to, without a
single extra keystroke, using Alpha as my IDE.

Arthur

From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 16:43:41 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 17:43:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
In-Reply-To: <6D2B6FDA-DDF0-4DE4-B37C-47A3C0948D78@phulse.com>
References: <de1a373f65a644d1afe98921dba6d756@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<8E74F7BD-DF87-44A1-98FF-1CEEE76E0C01@phulse.com>	<b55c14460ae54bfcbd8d99b8b2c7350f@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<6D2B6FDA-DDF0-4DE4-B37C-47A3C0948D78@phulse.com>
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This has turned into "Ramblings of a bunch of nut cases" eh?

And... How many tiles can you fit on a watch?  Hmmmm.....  Wait a second while I swipe..... Wait... 
it's a coming... just a few thousand more swipes.... I know it's in this mess somewhere...  I DIDN'T 
say that, I REALLY love my Windows watch...

Oh CRAP I must have missed it. let me start again...

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/26/2014 5:33 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
>> The brilliant thing is, that the Metro/Modern interface potentially can scale from a wristwatch or a lightswitch to a laserbeam operated cinemascreen.
> You mean, something like the Truman Show poster?
> http://www.impawards.com/1998/truman_show_ver1_xlg.html
>
> Mother of god. An icon? within a box. And repeated in a tiled fashion. That?s brilliant. Why hasn?t anyone else done this??? :)
>
> To be honest, I never had a problem with Metro?s tiled interface in theory. The implementation of how apps behave when you click on them and the whole magic corners really breaks the whole thing for me. Also, having many of your tiles constantly change information makes for a very obnoxious interface for anything other than a news ticker display.
>
> Microsoft could totally fix Metro and make it something people actually are interested in, but, as it currently stands, an excess of minimalism and rejection of decades of user interface design + the awesome magic corners makes it very difficult to love.
>
> - Hans
>
>


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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Wed Feb 26 16:58:27 2014
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 22:58:27 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Deleting Worksheet
In-Reply-To: <BBDDDB91551040228DA0655784693A62@HAL9007>
References: <38D7D68733D44AAA8A9A009328F26636@HAL9007>
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There is no need to select the sheets - it just slows things down.

objXLApp.Sheets("Sheet1").Delete
objXLApp.Sheets("Sheet2").Delete
objXLApp.Sheets("Sheet3").Delete

will work faster

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, 27 February 2014 3:11 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Deleting Worksheet

Paul:

Gonna try it.  Although it's more of an esthetic thing that substantive.
The extra blank worksheets don't bother the user - just bothers me. L)

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hartland
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 7:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Deleting Worksheet

Rocky ,

Just nicked a bit of your code from a previous message, have you tried (off top of my head),:

Dim objXLApp As Excel.Application
Dim objXLBook As Excel.Workbook
Dim objXLWS As Excel.Worksheet

I set objXLApp - Set objXLApp = New Excel.Application - and open a new
worksheet:

Set objXLBook = objXLApp.Workbooks.Open(Me.txtOutputFileName)

' add your new sheet, unless already done

' now firstly try to delete with individual code.
objXLApp.displayalerts = False

objXLApp.Sheets("Sheet1").Select
objXLApp.ActiveSheet.Delete

objXLApp.Sheets("Sheet2").Select
objXLApp.ActiveSheet.Delete

objXLApp.Sheets("Sheet3").Select
objXLApp.ActiveSheet.Delete

xlBook.Saveas ("your filename")
objXLApp.displayalerts = True

objXLApp.Sheets("your new sheet name").Select

objXLApp.Quit
Set objXLBook = Nothing
Set objXLApp = Nothing

Paul


On 30 January 2014 15:40, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Dear List:
>
> I'm automating a spreadsheet from Access (2003) and importing a 
> worksheet from another excel file as a template.  I want to delete the 
> default worksheets Sheet1, Sheet2, and Sheet3 but can't seem to get 
> the right syntax going.
>
> Any pointers on how to get this done?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com 
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Feb 26 17:15:29 2014
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 18:15:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
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<<Also, having many of your tiles constantly change information makes for a
very obnoxious interface for anything other than a news ticker display.>>

  On that note, Microsoft broke their own UI guide lines when they release
Windows 8.0; titles were not supposed to update more often then every thirty
minutes or the interface might become "too busy".

  When released, Windows 8 had tiles that were updating every four minutes.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 05:34 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase


> The brilliant thing is, that the Metro/Modern interface potentially can
scale from a wristwatch or a lightswitch to a laserbeam operated
cinemascreen.

You mean, something like the Truman Show poster?
http://www.impawards.com/1998/truman_show_ver1_xlg.html

Mother of god. An icon
 within a box. And repeated in a tiled fashion.
That?s brilliant. Why hasn?t anyone else done this??? :)

To be honest, I never had a problem with Metro?s tiled interface in theory.
The implementation of how apps behave when you click on them and the whole
magic corners really breaks the whole thing for me. Also, having many of
your tiles constantly change information makes for a very obnoxious
interface for anything other than a news ticker display.

Microsoft could totally fix Metro and make it something people actually are
interested in, but, as it currently stands, an excess of minimalism and
rejection of decades of user interface design + the awesome magic corners
makes it very difficult to love.

- Hans



On Feb 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Hans
> 
> Thanks. You really make me feel ahead of the crowd. Perhaps I just am
better than most to find and appreciate the new opportunities rather than
sticking to the past. It is claimed that positive people will live longer
than those spending a lot of energy being negative. Fingers crossed.
> 
> As of today, no one has argued that the old desktop is preferable for a
touch screen. It was a dead end. Something had to be done. The brilliant
thing is, that the Metro/Modern interface potentially can scale from a
wristwatch or a lightswitch to a laserbeam operated cinemascreen.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> ________________________________________
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Hans-Christian Andersen
<hans.andersen at phulse.com>
> Sendt: 26. februar 2014 21:42
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
> 
> Gustav.
> 
> I think Microsoft designed Windows 8 just for you. :)
> 
> 
>> It's an outdated left-over from Windows 95 (seems like everyone have
forgotten how MS was ridiculed when it introduced).
> 
> What? When? I don?t ever recall the Start Menu being ridiculed when it was
introduced. And, personally, I was happy it came along, because I was using
something similar in function as the start menu in Windows 3.11, only that
you could access it via a right click of the desktop. It made Win3.11 so
much more usable.
> 
> 
>> As I have mentioned before, the Metro/Modern UI is a masterpiece in
design, and if you can't "see" this, it is because of exactly this, that
excellent design doesn't stand forward, it only supports the function
> 
> So your logic is: Metro/Modern UI is a masterpiece in design. It is not
possible to disagree. If you try to disagree, it is only evidence that it is
a masterpiece in design.
> 
> http://i.imgur.com/2St5C4B.jpg
> 
> 
>> and if you don't realize this, just borrow a Mac for a moment and study
what old-fashioned is about, indeed the ugly animation that sucks windows
when they are minimized and the sloshing icons at the bottom. I guess you
get used to it, but it makes me feel sick.
> 
> I find it amusing that before Windows 8, people would criticize OS X for
being flashy and all about aesthetics. Form over function etc. Windows is
for the power user, who values performance and a consistent UI that improves
incrementally.
> 
> Now OS X is apparently old fashioned and has ugly animations, while
Windows 8 is a masterpiece in modern UX/UI design.
> 
> It?s an upside down world, I tell?s ya. Although, to be honest, I?m not
sure most people agree with you, Gustav.
> 
> 
> - Hans
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 26, 2014, at 12:55 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Arthur
>> 
>> You nailed it as usual. I was playing with words like stubborn old farts,
but pussies is much nicer!
>> 
>> I've used Windows 8 (now 8.1 of course) on my home workstation since the
very first developer edition (with the wonderful fish on the desktop) and
with zero add-ons as I've never been a fan of the small and miserable and
messy Start menu. It's an outdated left-over from Windows 95 (seems like
everyone have forgotten how MS was ridiculed when it introduced).
>> We still run Win7 and a little WinXP at the office but we seriously
consider moving to Win8 after the next update.
>> 
>> As I have mentioned before, the Metro/Modern UI is a masterpiece in
design, and if you can't "see" this, it is because of exactly this, that
excellent design doesn't stand forward, it only supports the function - and
if you don't realize this, just borrow a Mac for a moment and study what
old-fashioned is about, indeed the ugly animation that sucks windows when
they are minimized and the sloshing icons at the bottom. I guess you get
used to it, but it makes me feel sick.
>> 
>> Of course, as a developer I mostly use the desktop of Win8. Also, my 27"
monitor has no touch, so the Metro interface is mouse only for me. But the
organization of icons in groups on the Start screen is a big progress
compared to the multilevel Start menu of Win7-.
>> 
>> Further, it is like most look at Win8 as Win7 with another interface.
That is not so. It is faster, and with an SSD drive you have finally reached
what a computer should be: Instantly on and off with sleep mode, and only
few seconds to the login screen from a cold boot.
>> 
>> Finally, as Martin mentions, where Windows 8 really shines is on a
tablet. We have a Surface Pro 2, a wonderful machine, and I have used the
old desktop on that. It is doable, but don't forget your glasses or the
pen-pointer. It is not productive, and if that would have been the only
option, people would have bashed MS, much like what happened with the old
Windows Mobile. Something had to be done, and the Metro/Modern touch
interface is the answer. Apps can be snipped/snapped in and out and you
quickly feel at home.
>> 
>> /gustav
>> 
>> 
>> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller
>> Sendt: 25. februar 2014 21:05
>> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
>> 
>> IMHO, you folks are all pussies and refuse to see what's great about
Windows 8. With the proviso that you download and install ClassicShell
(google it). This free tool goes a long way toward making Windows 8
palatable for old-timers. In fact it goes further than that; it's smarter
and better than the old classic start menu.
>> 
>> Even without this wonderful tool, there are a few key things you can do
to smarten up your startup tile UI: most notably, you can drag the tiles
into an arrangement of your choice, and also create groups of tiles
containing associated programs (i.e. a Media group, a SQL group, etc. And
most significantly, you can drag your most frequently-visited programs to
the top left of the tile groups. In my tile setup, the first tile is
Desktop. I have two monitors and the desktop opens on the large monitor. I
also make extensive use of the QuickLaunch bar, and the programs soon learn
which monitor they should load on.
>> 
>> That custom setup accomplished, you are now in a position to see some of
the startup, performance and memory management advantages of Windows 8.1. I
can only say that I'd never consider going back to Windows 7. I still have a
copy of it, but it's on a separate box entirely, and I find myself using
that box less and less -- just for large downloads and for running Ubuntu
Linux.
>> 
>> I have one more customization of the Win 8.1 laptop planned. I recently
read a net piece on how to hook up two external monitors to a laptop.
>> That's next. I'll have three monitors, two external and the laptop
monitor.
>> That will be very cool.
>> 
>> My $0.02.
>> 
>> Arthur
>> 
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Wed Feb 26 17:13:06 2014
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 15:13:06 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
In-Reply-To: <530E68C2.3000106@gmail.com>
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I almost fell off my desk chair laughing. Thanks for making my day. :)

- Hans



On Feb 26, 2014, at 2:20 PM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> LOL Hans, it is all about spin.
> 
> It is all about what we like.  There are those for whom a nipple clamp and ball gag makes sex oh so much better.
> 
> To me, Windows 8 is the nipple clamp, it hurts like hell... and the constant ridicule of anyone disagreeing is the ball gag.
> 
> John W. Colby
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> On 2/26/2014 3:42 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
>> Gustav.
>> 
>> I think Microsoft designed Windows 8 just for you. :)
>> 
>> 
>>> It's an outdated left-over from Windows 95 (seems like everyone have forgotten how MS was ridiculed when it introduced).
>> What? When? I don?t ever recall the Start Menu being ridiculed when it was introduced. And, personally, I was happy it came along, because I was using something similar in function as the start menu in Windows 3.11, only that you could access it via a right click of the desktop. It made Win3.11 so much more usable.
>> 
>> 
>>> As I have mentioned before, the Metro/Modern UI is a masterpiece in design, and if you can't "see" this, it is because of exactly this, that excellent design doesn't stand forward, it only supports the function
>> So your logic is: Metro/Modern UI is a masterpiece in design. It is not possible to disagree. If you try to disagree, it is only evidence that it is a masterpiece in design.
>> 
>> http://i.imgur.com/2St5C4B.jpg
>> 
>> 
>>> and if you don't realize this, just borrow a Mac for a moment and study what old-fashioned is about, indeed the ugly animation that sucks windows when they are minimized and the sloshing icons at the bottom. I guess you get used to it, but it makes me feel sick.
>> I find it amusing that before Windows 8, people would criticize OS X for being flashy and all about aesthetics. Form over function etc. Windows is for the power user, who values performance and a consistent UI that improves incrementally.
>> 
>> Now OS X is apparently old fashioned and has ugly animations, while Windows 8 is a masterpiece in modern UX/UI design.
>> 
>> It?s an upside down world, I tell?s ya. Although, to be honest, I?m not sure most people agree with you, Gustav.
>> 
>> 
>> - Hans
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 12:55 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Arthur
>>> 
>>> You nailed it as usual. I was playing with words like stubborn old farts, but pussies is much nicer!
>>> 
>>> I've used Windows 8 (now 8.1 of course) on my home workstation since the very first developer edition (with the wonderful fish on the desktop) and with zero add-ons as I've never been a fan of the small and miserable and messy Start menu. It's an outdated left-over from Windows 95 (seems like everyone have forgotten how MS was ridiculed when it introduced).
>>> We still run Win7 and a little WinXP at the office but we seriously consider moving to Win8 after the next update.
>>> 
>>> As I have mentioned before, the Metro/Modern UI is a masterpiece in design, and if you can't "see" this, it is because of exactly this, that excellent design doesn't stand forward, it only supports the function - and if you don't realize this, just borrow a Mac for a moment and study what old-fashioned is about, indeed the ugly animation that sucks windows when they are minimized and the sloshing icons at the bottom. I guess you get used to it, but it makes me feel sick.
>>> 
>>> Of course, as a developer I mostly use the desktop of Win8. Also, my 27" monitor has no touch, so the Metro interface is mouse only for me. But the organization of icons in groups on the Start screen is a big progress compared to the multilevel Start menu of Win7-.
>>> 
>>> Further, it is like most look at Win8 as Win7 with another interface. That is not so. It is faster, and with an SSD drive you have finally reached what a computer should be: Instantly on and off with sleep mode, and only few seconds to the login screen from a cold boot.
>>> 
>>> Finally, as Martin mentions, where Windows 8 really shines is on a tablet. We have a Surface Pro 2, a wonderful machine, and I have used the old desktop on that. It is doable, but don't forget your glasses or the pen-pointer. It is not productive, and if that would have been the only option, people would have bashed MS, much like what happened with the old Windows Mobile. Something had to be done, and the Metro/Modern touch interface is the answer. Apps can be snipped/snapped in and out and you quickly feel at home.
>>> 
>>> /gustav
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>>> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller
>>> Sendt: 25. februar 2014 21:05
>>> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
>>> 
>>> IMHO, you folks are all pussies and refuse to see what's great about Windows 8. With the proviso that you download and install ClassicShell (google it). This free tool goes a long way toward making Windows 8 palatable for old-timers. In fact it goes further than that; it's smarter and better than the old classic start menu.
>>> 
>>> Even without this wonderful tool, there are a few key things you can do to smarten up your startup tile UI: most notably, you can drag the tiles into an arrangement of your choice, and also create groups of tiles containing associated programs (i.e. a Media group, a SQL group, etc. And most significantly, you can drag your most frequently-visited programs to the top left of the tile groups. In my tile setup, the first tile is Desktop. I have two monitors and the desktop opens on the large monitor. I also make extensive use of the QuickLaunch bar, and the programs soon learn which monitor they should load on.
>>> 
>>> That custom setup accomplished, you are now in a position to see some of the startup, performance and memory management advantages of Windows 8.1. I can only say that I'd never consider going back to Windows 7. I still have a copy of it, but it's on a separate box entirely, and I find myself using that box less and less -- just for large downloads and for running Ubuntu Linux.
>>> 
>>> I have one more customization of the Win 8.1 laptop planned. I recently read a net piece on how to hook up two external monitors to a laptop.
>>> That's next. I'll have three monitors, two external and the laptop monitor.
>>> That will be very cool.
>>> 
>>> My $0.02.
>>> 
>>> Arthur
>>> 
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From kathryn at bassett.net  Wed Feb 26 19:09:12 2014
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 17:09:12 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Converting case
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Hey David - please send me your phone number off list, thanks.

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 16:50:42 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 17:50:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
In-Reply-To: <6D2B6FDA-DDF0-4DE4-B37C-47A3C0948D78@phulse.com>
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Consider me out of this argument. I don't give a fork which OS you choose
as your BFF and have no interest in persuading you that mine is a better
one. I don't give a fork. What works for you is my paramount interest.

All my thoughts are currently focused upon the chicken-chili stew that is
brewing on my slow-cooker at the moment. And compared to that immediate
focus, thoughts of which is better this or that, pale in comparison.

A.


On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen <
hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote:

>
> > The brilliant thing is, that the Metro/Modern interface potentially can
> scale from a wristwatch or a lightswitch to a laserbeam operated
> cinemascreen.
>
> You mean, something like the Truman Show poster?
> http://www.impawards.com/1998/truman_show_ver1_xlg.html
>
> Mother of god. An icon... within a box. And repeated in a tiled fashion.
> That's brilliant. Why hasn't anyone else done this??? :)
>
> To be honest, I never had a problem with Metro's tiled interface in
> theory. The implementation of how apps behave when you click on them and
> the whole magic corners really breaks the whole thing for me. Also, having
> many of your tiles constantly change information makes for a very obnoxious
> interface for anything other than a news ticker display.
>
> Microsoft could totally fix Metro and make it something people actually
> are interested in, but, as it currently stands, an excess of minimalism and
> rejection of decades of user interface design + the awesome magic corners
> makes it very difficult to love.
>
> - Hans
>
>
>
> On Feb 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> > Hi Hans
> >
> > Thanks. You really make me feel ahead of the crowd. Perhaps I just am
> better than most to find and appreciate the new opportunities rather than
> sticking to the past. It is claimed that positive people will live longer
> than those spending a lot of energy being negative. Fingers crossed.
> >
> > As of today, no one has argued that the old desktop is preferable for a
> touch screen. It was a dead end. Something had to be done. The brilliant
> thing is, that the Metro/Modern interface potentially can scale from a
> wristwatch or a lightswitch to a laserbeam operated cinemascreen.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Hans-Christian Andersen
> <hans.andersen at phulse.com>
> > Sendt: 26. februar 2014 21:42
> > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
> >
> > Gustav.
> >
> > I think Microsoft designed Windows 8 just for you. :)
> >
> >
> >> It's an outdated left-over from Windows 95 (seems like everyone have
> forgotten how MS was ridiculed when it introduced).
> >
> > What? When? I don't ever recall the Start Menu being ridiculed when it
> was introduced. And, personally, I was happy it came along, because I was
> using something similar in function as the start menu in Windows 3.11, only
> that you could access it via a right click of the desktop. It made Win3.11
> so much more usable.
> >
> >
> >> As I have mentioned before, the Metro/Modern UI is a masterpiece in
> design, and if you can't "see" this, it is because of exactly this, that
> excellent design doesn't stand forward, it only supports the function
> >
> > So your logic is: Metro/Modern UI is a masterpiece in design. It is not
> possible to disagree. If you try to disagree, it is only evidence that it
> is a masterpiece in design.
> >
> > http://i.imgur.com/2St5C4B.jpg
> >
> >
> >> and if you don't realize this, just borrow a Mac for a moment and study
> what old-fashioned is about, indeed the ugly animation that sucks windows
> when they are minimized and the sloshing icons at the bottom. I guess you
> get used to it, but it makes me feel sick.
> >
> > I find it amusing that before Windows 8, people would criticize OS X for
> being flashy and all about aesthetics. Form over function etc. Windows is
> for the power user, who values performance and a consistent UI that
> improves incrementally.
> >
> > Now OS X is apparently old fashioned and has ugly animations, while
> Windows 8 is a masterpiece in modern UX/UI design.
> >
> > It's an upside down world, I tell's ya. Although, to be honest, I'm not
> sure most people agree with you, Gustav.
> >
> >
> > - Hans
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 26, 2014, at 12:55 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Arthur
> >>
> >> You nailed it as usual. I was playing with words like stubborn old
> farts, but pussies is much nicer!
> >>
> >> I've used Windows 8 (now 8.1 of course) on my home workstation since
> the very first developer edition (with the wonderful fish on the desktop)
> and with zero add-ons as I've never been a fan of the small and miserable
> and messy Start menu. It's an outdated left-over from Windows 95 (seems
> like everyone have forgotten how MS was ridiculed when it introduced).
> >> We still run Win7 and a little WinXP at the office but we seriously
> consider moving to Win8 after the next update.
> >>
> >> As I have mentioned before, the Metro/Modern UI is a masterpiece in
> design, and if you can't "see" this, it is because of exactly this, that
> excellent design doesn't stand forward, it only supports the function - and
> if you don't realize this, just borrow a Mac for a moment and study what
> old-fashioned is about, indeed the ugly animation that sucks windows when
> they are minimized and the sloshing icons at the bottom. I guess you get
> used to it, but it makes me feel sick.
> >>
> >> Of course, as a developer I mostly use the desktop of Win8. Also, my
> 27" monitor has no touch, so the Metro interface is mouse only for me. But
> the organization of icons in groups on the Start screen is a big progress
> compared to the multilevel Start menu of Win7-.
> >>
> >> Further, it is like most look at Win8 as Win7 with another interface.
> That is not so. It is faster, and with an SSD drive you have finally
> reached what a computer should be: Instantly on and off with sleep mode,
> and only few seconds to the login screen from a cold boot.
> >>
> >> Finally, as Martin mentions, where Windows 8 really shines is on a
> tablet. We have a Surface Pro 2, a wonderful machine, and I have used the
> old desktop on that. It is doable, but don't forget your glasses or the
> pen-pointer. It is not productive, and if that would have been the only
> option, people would have bashed MS, much like what happened with the old
> Windows Mobile. Something had to be done, and the Metro/Modern touch
> interface is the answer. Apps can be snipped/snapped in and out and you
> quickly feel at home.
> >>
> >> /gustav
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> >> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller
> >> Sendt: 25. februar 2014 21:05
> >> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
> >>
> >> IMHO, you folks are all pussies and refuse to see what's great about
> Windows 8. With the proviso that you download and install ClassicShell
> (google it). This free tool goes a long way toward making Windows 8
> palatable for old-timers. In fact it goes further than that; it's smarter
> and better than the old classic start menu.
> >>
> >> Even without this wonderful tool, there are a few key things you can do
> to smarten up your startup tile UI: most notably, you can drag the tiles
> into an arrangement of your choice, and also create groups of tiles
> containing associated programs (i.e. a Media group, a SQL group, etc. And
> most significantly, you can drag your most frequently-visited programs to
> the top left of the tile groups. In my tile setup, the first tile is
> Desktop. I have two monitors and the desktop opens on the large monitor. I
> also make extensive use of the QuickLaunch bar, and the programs soon learn
> which monitor they should load on.
> >>
> >> That custom setup accomplished, you are now in a position to see some
> of the startup, performance and memory management advantages of Windows
> 8.1. I can only say that I'd never consider going back to Windows 7. I
> still have a copy of it, but it's on a separate box entirely, and I find
> myself using that box less and less -- just for large downloads and for
> running Ubuntu Linux.
> >>
> >> I have one more customization of the Win 8.1 laptop planned. I recently
> read a net piece on how to hook up two external monitors to a laptop.
> >> That's next. I'll have three monitors, two external and the laptop
> monitor.
> >> That will be very cool.
> >>
> >> My $0.02.
> >>
> >> Arthur
> >>
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From davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 17:52:08 2014
From: davidalangibson2010 at gmail.com (Davidalangibson2010)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 17:52:08 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
Message-ID: <tl9yyy0ae55v4qdedxgm8fyb.1393458728447@email.android.com>

So now you know how John gets off.?

DAVID


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

-------- Original message --------
From: Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com> 
Date: 02/26/2014  5:13 PM  (GMT-06:00) 
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase 
 

I almost fell off my desk chair laughing. Thanks for making my day. :)

- Hans



On Feb 26, 2014, at 2:20 PM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> LOL Hans, it is all about spin.
> 
> It is all about what we like.? There are those for whom a nipple clamp and ball gag makes sex oh so much better.
> 
> To me, Windows 8 is the nipple clamp, it hurts like hell... and the constant ridicule of anyone disagreeing is the ball gag.
> 
> John W. Colby
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> On 2/26/2014 3:42 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
>> Gustav.
>> 
>> I think Microsoft designed Windows 8 just for you. :)
>> 
>> 
>>> It's an outdated left-over from Windows 95 (seems like everyone have forgotten how MS was ridiculed when it introduced).
>> What? When? I don?t ever recall the Start Menu being ridiculed when it was introduced. And, personally, I was happy it came along, because I was using something similar in function as the start menu in Windows 3.11, only that you could access it via a right click of the desktop. It made Win3.11 so much more usable.
>> 
>> 
>>> As I have mentioned before, the Metro/Modern UI is a masterpiece in design, and if you can't "see" this, it is because of exactly this, that excellent design doesn't stand forward, it only supports the function
>> So your logic is: Metro/Modern UI is a masterpiece in design. It is not possible to disagree. If you try to disagree, it is only evidence that it is a masterpiece in design.
>> 
>> http://i.imgur.com/2St5C4B.jpg
>> 
>> 
>>> and if you don't realize this, just borrow a Mac for a moment and study what old-fashioned is about, indeed the ugly animation that sucks windows when they are minimized and the sloshing icons at the bottom. I guess you get used to it, but it makes me feel sick.
>> I find it amusing that before Windows 8, people would criticize OS X for being flashy and all about aesthetics. Form over function etc. Windows is for the power user, who values performance and a consistent UI that improves incrementally.
>> 
>> Now OS X is apparently old fashioned and has ugly animations, while Windows 8 is a masterpiece in modern UX/UI design.
>> 
>> It?s an upside down world, I tell?s ya. Although, to be honest, I?m not sure most people agree with you, Gustav.
>> 
>> 
>> - Hans
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 12:55 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Arthur
>>> 
>>> You nailed it as usual. I was playing with words like stubborn old farts, but pussies is much nicer!
>>> 
>>> I've used Windows 8 (now 8.1 of course) on my home workstation since the very first developer edition (with the wonderful fish on the desktop) and with zero add-ons as I've never been a fan of the small and miserable and messy Start menu. It's an outdated left-over from Windows 95 (seems like everyone have forgotten how MS was ridiculed when it introduced).
>>> We still run Win7 and a little WinXP at the office but we seriously consider moving to Win8 after the next update.
>>> 
>>> As I have mentioned before, the Metro/Modern UI is a masterpiece in design, and if you can't "see" this, it is because of exactly this, that excellent design doesn't stand forward, it only supports the function - and if you don't realize this, just borrow a Mac for a moment and study what old-fashioned is about, indeed the ugly animation that sucks windows when they are minimized and the sloshing icons at the bottom. I guess you get used to it, but it makes me feel sick.
>>> 
>>> Of course, as a developer I mostly use the desktop of Win8. Also, my 27" monitor has no touch, so the Metro interface is mouse only for me. But the organization of icons in groups on the Start screen is a big progress compared to the multilevel Start menu of Win7-.
>>> 
>>> Further, it is like most look at Win8 as Win7 with another interface. That is not so. It is faster, and with an SSD drive you have finally reached what a computer should be: Instantly on and off with sleep mode, and only few seconds to the login screen from a cold boot.
>>> 
>>> Finally, as Martin mentions, where Windows 8 really shines is on a tablet. We have a Surface Pro 2, a wonderful machine, and I have used the old desktop on that. It is doable, but don't forget your glasses or the pen-pointer. It is not productive, and if that would have been the only option, people would have bashed MS, much like what happened with the old Windows Mobile. Something had to be done, and the Metro/Modern touch interface is the answer. Apps can be snipped/snapped in and out and you quickly feel at home.
>>> 
>>> /gustav
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>>> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller
>>> Sendt: 25. februar 2014 21:05
>>> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
>>> 
>>> IMHO, you folks are all pussies and refuse to see what's great about Windows 8. With the proviso that you download and install ClassicShell (google it). This free tool goes a long way toward making Windows 8 palatable for old-timers. In fact it goes further than that; it's smarter and better than the old classic start menu.
>>> 
>>> Even without this wonderful tool, there are a few key things you can do to smarten up your startup tile UI: most notably, you can drag the tiles into an arrangement of your choice, and also create groups of tiles containing associated programs (i.e. a Media group, a SQL group, etc. And most significantly, you can drag your most frequently-visited programs to the top left of the tile groups. In my tile setup, the first tile is Desktop. I have two monitors and the desktop opens on the large monitor. I also make extensive use of the QuickLaunch bar, and the programs soon learn which monitor they should load on.
>>> 
>>> That custom setup accomplished, you are now in a position to see some of the startup, performance and memory management advantages of Windows 8.1. I can only say that I'd never consider going back to Windows 7. I still have a copy of it, but it's on a separate box entirely, and I find myself using that box less and less -- just for large downloads and for running Ubuntu Linux.
>>> 
>>> I have one more customization of the Win 8.1 laptop planned. I recently read a net piece on how to hook up two external monitors to a laptop.
>>> That's next. I'll have three monitors, two external and the laptop monitor.
>>> That will be very cool.
>>> 
>>> My $0.02.
>>> 
>>> Arthur
>>> 
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 19:33:42 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 20:33:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
In-Reply-To: <6D2B6FDA-DDF0-4DE4-B37C-47A3C0948D78@phulse.com>
References: <de1a373f65a644d1afe98921dba6d756@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<8E74F7BD-DF87-44A1-98FF-1CEEE76E0C01@phulse.com>	<b55c14460ae54bfcbd8d99b8b2c7350f@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
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OK Gustav, Here is what I am reading:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/use-the-taskbar

Nowhere does it mention the functionality that I mention.

1) Always combine, hide label.  NOT what I am doing
2) Combine when taskbar is full.  NOT what I am doing.
3) Never combine.  Not what I am doing.

So...



The following is what I currently see when I hover over the chrome Icon.  I can simply hover and 
click on "Apple warns" and that copy of Chrome comes to the front.

Does your task bar work that way?  Can you make it work that way? If not, WHY NOT?  It is the way I 
do business.

Can you hover over and get context sensitive menus from which you can select things?  Can you do so 
without the mouse (obviously not)?  If not why not?  This is basic power user functionality.  I 
learned to do this stuff years ago.  It is highly useful stuff. Are we throwing all that away so 
that we can pinch and zoom? Why?  Is this "least common denominator"?

Open the metro equivalent of the calculator.  Does it fill the whole screen?  WHY???  Is my entire 
23" screen really required for the calculator?  I am old but I don't need a calculator that big to 
be able to see it.  Open the metro equivalent of the sticky notes.  Does it fill the whole screen?  
Why?  I am just jotting down a phone number.    Is this "everything will fill the whole screen" 
REALLY a good idea???

It feels like 1/2 of the world has drunk the koolade, and is chasing me around trying to get me to 
drink it as well.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it





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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 19:55:48 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 20:55:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
In-Reply-To: <tl9yyy0ae55v4qdedxgm8fyb.1393458728447@email.android.com>
References: <tl9yyy0ae55v4qdedxgm8fyb.1393458728447@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <530E9B24.60709@gmail.com>

LOL.  Uh no, but humorous none the less.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/26/2014 6:52 PM, Davidalangibson2010 wrote:
> So now you know how John gets off.
>
> DAVID
>
>
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>
> Date: 02/26/2014  5:13 PM  (GMT-06:00)
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
>   
>
> I almost fell off my desk chair laughing. Thanks for making my day. :)
>
> - Hans
>
>
>
> On Feb 26, 2014, at 2:20 PM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> LOL Hans, it is all about spin.
>>
>> It is all about what we like.  There are those for whom a nipple clamp and ball gag makes sex oh so much better.
>>
>> To me, Windows 8 is the nipple clamp, it hurts like hell... and the constant ridicule of anyone disagreeing is the ball gag.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>


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From garykjos at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 20:00:49 2014
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 20:00:49 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
In-Reply-To: <530E95F6.7090008@gmail.com>
References: <de1a373f65a644d1afe98921dba6d756@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
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No graphics here John. You should know that by now. As list helper I saw
the rejected message though ;-)  Yes window 8.1 shows the multiple
instances of your browsers in a list. The list for me goes sideways instead
of vertical and it's shrunken screen images but it IS the list you desire.
I don't use calculator or sticky notes. Boot to desktop is now the default
too.


On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 7:33 PM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> OK Gustav, Here is what I am reading:
>
> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/use-the-taskbar
>
> Nowhere does it mention the functionality that I mention.
>
> 1) Always combine, hide label.  NOT what I am doing
> 2) Combine when taskbar is full.  NOT what I am doing.
> 3) Never combine.  Not what I am doing.
>
> So...
>
>
>
> The following is what I currently see when I hover over the chrome Icon.
>  I can simply hover and click on "Apple warns" and that copy of Chrome
> comes to the front.
>
> Does your task bar work that way?  Can you make it work that way? If not,
> WHY NOT?  It is the way I do business.
>
> Can you hover over and get context sensitive menus from which you can
> select things?  Can you do so without the mouse (obviously not)?  If not
> why not?  This is basic power user functionality.  I learned to do this
> stuff years ago.  It is highly useful stuff. Are we throwing all that away
> so that we can pinch and zoom? Why?  Is this "least common denominator"?
>
> Open the metro equivalent of the calculator.  Does it fill the whole
> screen?  WHY???  Is my entire 23" screen really required for the
> calculator?  I am old but I don't need a calculator that big to be able to
> see it.  Open the metro equivalent of the sticky notes.  Does it fill the
> whole screen?  Why?  I am just jotting down a phone number.    Is this
> "everything will fill the whole screen" REALLY a good idea???
>
> It feels like 1/2 of the world has drunk the koolade, and is chasing me
> around trying to get me to drink it as well.
>
>
> John W. Colby
>
> --
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com

From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 20:01:10 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 21:01:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iUfoYbEvuJmjzY2yzVSMgBrQd2NCyv+9UE9+=0Nb97hw@mail.gmail.com>
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And on the left, speaking for new and different...

Just a minute folks.

<footsteps receding, door creaking open...>

Arthur... you can't leave now Arthur...  You come back here right this minute.  Do I have to talk to 
your mother???

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/26/2014 5:50 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Consider me out of this argument. I don't give a fork which OS you choose
> as your BFF and have no interest in persuading you that mine is a better
> one. I don't give a fork. What works for you is my paramount interest.
>
> All my thoughts are currently focused upon the chicken-chili stew that is
> brewing on my slow-cooker at the moment. And compared to that immediate
> focus, thoughts of which is better this or that, pale in comparison.
>
> A.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen <
> hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote:
>


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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 20:12:30 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 21:12:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
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OK thanks for the response.  So do the shrunken screen images help you differentiate between the 
instances?  Is it an icon sized image or large enough to actually see what it represents?

Are they stacked such that I can tell that they are open and how many?  Is there a little X off to 
the right allowing me to close each one as I desire?

I truly never got there in my attempts to use Windows 8.  I am dead certain that there was no task 
bar in windows 8.0.  I will no doubt be back in the next year or two, when or if MS comes to their 
senses and decides that what I like matters too.  It turns out that Windows 7 support drops in 2020 
so I have a loooooong time to hold out if I need to.  Hell, by then they will be off on a new jag, 
Windows 8 long forgotten.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/26/2014 9:00 PM, Gary Kjos wrote:
> No graphics here John. You should know that by now. As list helper I saw
> the rejected message though ;-)  Yes window 8.1 shows the multiple
> instances of your browsers in a list. The list for me goes sideways instead
> of vertical and it's shrunken screen images but it IS the list you desire.
> I don't use calculator or sticky notes. Boot to desktop is now the default
> too.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 7:33 PM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> OK Gustav, Here is what I am reading:
>>
>> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/use-the-taskbar
>>
>> Nowhere does it mention the functionality that I mention.
>>
>> 1) Always combine, hide label.  NOT what I am doing
>> 2) Combine when taskbar is full.  NOT what I am doing.
>> 3) Never combine.  Not what I am doing.
>>
>> So...
>>
>>
>>
>> The following is what I currently see when I hover over the chrome Icon.
>>   I can simply hover and click on "Apple warns" and that copy of Chrome
>> comes to the front.
>>
>> Does your task bar work that way?  Can you make it work that way? If not,
>> WHY NOT?  It is the way I do business.
>>
>> Can you hover over and get context sensitive menus from which you can
>> select things?  Can you do so without the mouse (obviously not)?  If not
>> why not?  This is basic power user functionality.  I learned to do this
>> stuff years ago.  It is highly useful stuff. Are we throwing all that away
>> so that we can pinch and zoom? Why?  Is this "least common denominator"?
>>
>> Open the metro equivalent of the calculator.  Does it fill the whole
>> screen?  WHY???  Is my entire 23" screen really required for the
>> calculator?  I am old but I don't need a calculator that big to be able to
>> see it.  Open the metro equivalent of the sticky notes.  Does it fill the
>> whole screen?  Why?  I am just jotting down a phone number.    Is this
>> "everything will fill the whole screen" REALLY a good idea???
>>
>> It feels like 1/2 of the world has drunk the koolade, and is chasing me
>> around trying to get me to drink it as well.
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>>
>> --
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> garykjos at gmail.com


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From garykjos at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 20:29:45 2014
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 20:29:45 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
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The little screens are plenty large enough to tell one from another. I only
had two to choose from though. I open things in tabs within one instance so
I only opened an extra instance as a test. Maybe with 10 of them or
whatever you run it would be different. This IS 8.1 not 8.0 of course.

OK just opened a bunch more and yes they all have little x's in their upper
right corners where they can be closed. And I can tell all 5 of them apart
well.

The calculator is full screen. Even when opened from the desktop. That is
weird. I can get it to half screen if I drag things around but it won't go
in a window that I can see.

If it were my only or even my most often used computer a lot of this would
probably bug me too. But since I only use this for some things some times I
have no problem with it. As others have pointed out, with an SSD this baby
boots in about 10 seconds. And now that I have selected the default it
starts directly to the desktop. WIth a task bar on the bottom of the
screen.

GK


On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 8:12 PM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> OK thanks for the response.  So do the shrunken screen images help you
> differentiate between the instances?  Is it an icon sized image or large
> enough to actually see what it represents?
>
> Are they stacked such that I can tell that they are open and how many?  Is
> there a little X off to the right allowing me to close each one as I desire?
>
> I truly never got there in my attempts to use Windows 8.  I am dead
> certain that there was no task bar in windows 8.0.  I will no doubt be back
> in the next year or two, when or if MS comes to their senses and decides
> that what I like matters too.  It turns out that Windows 7 support drops in
> 2020 so I have a loooooong time to hold out if I need to.  Hell, by then
> they will be off on a new jag, Windows 8 long forgotten.
>
>
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 2/26/2014 9:00 PM, Gary Kjos wrote:
>
>> No graphics here John. You should know that by now. As list helper I saw
>> the rejected message though ;-)  Yes window 8.1 shows the multiple
>> instances of your browsers in a list. The list for me goes sideways
>> instead
>> of vertical and it's shrunken screen images but it IS the list you desire.
>> I don't use calculator or sticky notes. Boot to desktop is now the default
>> too.
>>
>>
>>
-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com

From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Wed Feb 26 23:04:26 2014
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 21:04:26 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
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Hey Arthur,

I never did promote which OS I prefer!

- Hans


On Feb 26, 2014, at 2:50 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> Consider me out of this argument. I don't give a fork which OS you choose
> as your BFF and have no interest in persuading you that mine is a better
> one. I don't give a fork. What works for you is my paramount interest.
> 
> All my thoughts are currently focused upon the chicken-chili stew that is
> brewing on my slow-cooker at the moment. And compared to that immediate
> focus, thoughts of which is better this or that, pale in comparison.
> 
> A.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen <
> hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>>> The brilliant thing is, that the Metro/Modern interface potentially can
>> scale from a wristwatch or a lightswitch to a laserbeam operated
>> cinemascreen.
>> 
>> You mean, something like the Truman Show poster?
>> http://www.impawards.com/1998/truman_show_ver1_xlg.html
>> 
>> Mother of god. An icon... within a box. And repeated in a tiled fashion.
>> That's brilliant. Why hasn't anyone else done this??? :)
>> 
>> To be honest, I never had a problem with Metro's tiled interface in
>> theory. The implementation of how apps behave when you click on them and
>> the whole magic corners really breaks the whole thing for me. Also, having
>> many of your tiles constantly change information makes for a very obnoxious
>> interface for anything other than a news ticker display.
>> 
>> Microsoft could totally fix Metro and make it something people actually
>> are interested in, but, as it currently stands, an excess of minimalism and
>> rejection of decades of user interface design + the awesome magic corners
>> makes it very difficult to love.
>> 
>> - Hans
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Hans
>>> 
>>> Thanks. You really make me feel ahead of the crowd. Perhaps I just am
>> better than most to find and appreciate the new opportunities rather than
>> sticking to the past. It is claimed that positive people will live longer
>> than those spending a lot of energy being negative. Fingers crossed.
>>> 
>>> As of today, no one has argued that the old desktop is preferable for a
>> touch screen. It was a dead end. Something had to be done. The brilliant
>> thing is, that the Metro/Modern interface potentially can scale from a
>> wristwatch or a lightswitch to a laserbeam operated cinemascreen.
>>> 
>>> /gustav
>>> 
>>> ________________________________________
>>> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <
>> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Hans-Christian Andersen
>> <hans.andersen at phulse.com>
>>> Sendt: 26. februar 2014 21:42
>>> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
>>> 
>>> Gustav.
>>> 
>>> I think Microsoft designed Windows 8 just for you. :)
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> It's an outdated left-over from Windows 95 (seems like everyone have
>> forgotten how MS was ridiculed when it introduced).
>>> 
>>> What? When? I don't ever recall the Start Menu being ridiculed when it
>> was introduced. And, personally, I was happy it came along, because I was
>> using something similar in function as the start menu in Windows 3.11, only
>> that you could access it via a right click of the desktop. It made Win3.11
>> so much more usable.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> As I have mentioned before, the Metro/Modern UI is a masterpiece in
>> design, and if you can't "see" this, it is because of exactly this, that
>> excellent design doesn't stand forward, it only supports the function
>>> 
>>> So your logic is: Metro/Modern UI is a masterpiece in design. It is not
>> possible to disagree. If you try to disagree, it is only evidence that it
>> is a masterpiece in design.
>>> 
>>> http://i.imgur.com/2St5C4B.jpg
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> and if you don't realize this, just borrow a Mac for a moment and study
>> what old-fashioned is about, indeed the ugly animation that sucks windows
>> when they are minimized and the sloshing icons at the bottom. I guess you
>> get used to it, but it makes me feel sick.
>>> 
>>> I find it amusing that before Windows 8, people would criticize OS X for
>> being flashy and all about aesthetics. Form over function etc. Windows is
>> for the power user, who values performance and a consistent UI that
>> improves incrementally.
>>> 
>>> Now OS X is apparently old fashioned and has ugly animations, while
>> Windows 8 is a masterpiece in modern UX/UI design.
>>> 
>>> It's an upside down world, I tell's ya. Although, to be honest, I'm not
>> sure most people agree with you, Gustav.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Hans
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 12:55 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Arthur
>>>> 
>>>> You nailed it as usual. I was playing with words like stubborn old
>> farts, but pussies is much nicer!
>>>> 
>>>> I've used Windows 8 (now 8.1 of course) on my home workstation since
>> the very first developer edition (with the wonderful fish on the desktop)
>> and with zero add-ons as I've never been a fan of the small and miserable
>> and messy Start menu. It's an outdated left-over from Windows 95 (seems
>> like everyone have forgotten how MS was ridiculed when it introduced).
>>>> We still run Win7 and a little WinXP at the office but we seriously
>> consider moving to Win8 after the next update.
>>>> 
>>>> As I have mentioned before, the Metro/Modern UI is a masterpiece in
>> design, and if you can't "see" this, it is because of exactly this, that
>> excellent design doesn't stand forward, it only supports the function - and
>> if you don't realize this, just borrow a Mac for a moment and study what
>> old-fashioned is about, indeed the ugly animation that sucks windows when
>> they are minimized and the sloshing icons at the bottom. I guess you get
>> used to it, but it makes me feel sick.
>>>> 
>>>> Of course, as a developer I mostly use the desktop of Win8. Also, my
>> 27" monitor has no touch, so the Metro interface is mouse only for me. But
>> the organization of icons in groups on the Start screen is a big progress
>> compared to the multilevel Start menu of Win7-.
>>>> 
>>>> Further, it is like most look at Win8 as Win7 with another interface.
>> That is not so. It is faster, and with an SSD drive you have finally
>> reached what a computer should be: Instantly on and off with sleep mode,
>> and only few seconds to the login screen from a cold boot.
>>>> 
>>>> Finally, as Martin mentions, where Windows 8 really shines is on a
>> tablet. We have a Surface Pro 2, a wonderful machine, and I have used the
>> old desktop on that. It is doable, but don't forget your glasses or the
>> pen-pointer. It is not productive, and if that would have been the only
>> option, people would have bashed MS, much like what happened with the old
>> Windows Mobile. Something had to be done, and the Metro/Modern touch
>> interface is the answer. Apps can be snipped/snapped in and out and you
>> quickly feel at home.
>>>> 
>>>> /gustav
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>>>> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
>> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller
>>>> Sendt: 25. februar 2014 21:05
>>>> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
>>>> 
>>>> IMHO, you folks are all pussies and refuse to see what's great about
>> Windows 8. With the proviso that you download and install ClassicShell
>> (google it). This free tool goes a long way toward making Windows 8
>> palatable for old-timers. In fact it goes further than that; it's smarter
>> and better than the old classic start menu.
>>>> 
>>>> Even without this wonderful tool, there are a few key things you can do
>> to smarten up your startup tile UI: most notably, you can drag the tiles
>> into an arrangement of your choice, and also create groups of tiles
>> containing associated programs (i.e. a Media group, a SQL group, etc. And
>> most significantly, you can drag your most frequently-visited programs to
>> the top left of the tile groups. In my tile setup, the first tile is
>> Desktop. I have two monitors and the desktop opens on the large monitor. I
>> also make extensive use of the QuickLaunch bar, and the programs soon learn
>> which monitor they should load on.
>>>> 
>>>> That custom setup accomplished, you are now in a position to see some
>> of the startup, performance and memory management advantages of Windows
>> 8.1. I can only say that I'd never consider going back to Windows 7. I
>> still have a copy of it, but it's on a separate box entirely, and I find
>> myself using that box less and less -- just for large downloads and for
>> running Ubuntu Linux.
>>>> 
>>>> I have one more customization of the Win 8.1 laptop planned. I recently
>> read a net piece on how to hook up two external monitors to a laptop.
>>>> That's next. I'll have three monitors, two external and the laptop
>> monitor.
>>>> That will be very cool.
>>>> 
>>>> My $0.02.
>>>> 
>>>> Arthur
>>>> 
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 23:38:09 2014
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 21:38:09 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
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I didn't get exactly what you meant by taskbar, John. I was thinking of the
quick launch bar.  I don't like the start menu add-ins because they disable
some of the functionality of Win 8.x.  I tried them and decided to adapt
instead.  The 8.1 "start menu" is improved from the right click menu
available in 8.0, but I don't mind jumping back to the modern view to start
an Office application that's going to run in desktop anyhow.

I have a control panel shortcut on my desktop, along with a few other
icons.

Charlotte


On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 11:22 AM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> To be honest Charlotte, I don't understand.  I played and worked and
> played and worked and never found a (native) start menu and task bar.  I
> did download third party "kinda sorta" start menu / task bars but they did
> not contain the functionality of the Windows start menu and task bar. And
> every time I did "expected to work" things I would get rudely pushed back
> into the "modern" display.  Maybe had I been able to just permanently
> disable that "modern" display things would have been better, but alas.
>
> I don't (or rarely) use the Windows 7 desktop.  To me it looks strikingly
> like the Metro thing, a ton of icons (at least they are separated)  which
> is just confusing.  My son's desktop is FILLED with stuff and I get
> overwhelmed looking at it.  Likewise I get overwhelmed looking at Metro.
>  Psychologists have figured out that different people had different
> learning styles.  Some can learn from visual stuff, others learn best from
> audio stuff others learn best from ...  Windows impressed me as "Everybody
> has to use this one style because we say so".  I tried for two months.
>  I've come from "Boot zapple basic from a cassette" through CPM., DOS,
> through all the versions of Windows.  I am not a technophobe. Windows 8 was
> a jarring, frustrating and damned irritating experience.
>
> So in the end, I guess I just never stumbled across whatever I had to
> stumble across to get back to a real Windows 7 like experience.  And you
> can believe me I googled till my eyes were blue trying to get back my
> Windows 7 experience.  I kinda sorta, 1/2 the time, made it look something
> like (not really) Windows 7. Never enough to be able to just get on and get
> my work done.  I ended up using my 4 year old Dell laptop when I had to
> work, and my brand new 10 times as powerful (and pretty expensive) laptop
> as a glorified tablet.
>
> Another part of my issue I think is that I just have no interest in
> "Social", nor do I need or want a weather app sitting in my face constantly
> updating.  If you don't use Facebook, or twitter or any of the rest of that
> stuff, then...
>
> I will say that my daughter LOVED it though.  She is intellectually
> disabled but she knows her touch screen.
>
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
>
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 2/25/2014 1:49 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>
>> I don't understand the problem, John.  I love Windows 8.  I rarely use the
>> "modern" screen because all my work is on the desktop, but I have some
>> charms there for the desktop programs I use the most.  Why kvetch about
>> the
>> modern screen when all you need do it switch to the desktop?  There
>> certainly is a taskbar there.
>>
>> Charlotte
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 9:23 AM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  I bought an HP Envy 17" at Sams a few months ago.  It came with Windows
>>> 8.
>>>   Ugh.  I tried to like it.  Then I tried to endure it.  I tried to
>>> modify
>>> it to get back Windows 7 like functionality.  I found myself not using
>>> the
>>> laptop for actual work, though it was OK (barely) for games and internet
>>> stuff.  I was pissed that I had spent a fair chunk of change on a very
>>> powerful, very nice laptop that I hated.
>>>
>>> Funny stuff here...
>>>
>>> http://www.loopinsight.com/2013/01/04/windows-8-review-the-thing-blows/
>>>
>>> And it pretty much mirrors my experience.  Even after working with it
>>> every day for a month I still had issues with things like drag and drop.
>>>   How can you drag and drop files between two windows when... you can
>>> only
>>> have ONE WINDOW?  And why should I be "allowed" two windows, but one of
>>> them has to be this scrunched up little slice docked to the left side
>>> while
>>> the other gets the rest of the screen?  I have a 23" monitor, PLENTY of
>>> room for many different windows when I need them.  But no, I am not
>>> "allowed" that.
>>>
>>> And why can't I minimize open programs to my task bar and click on them
>>> to
>>> reopen.  Oh yea, I remember now, there IS NO TASK BAR. What???  And when
>>> I
>>> want to see the wireless strength I can just look at the wireless icon
>>> down
>>> in the taskbar... oh yea I forgot, THERE IS NO TASKBAR.  In Windows 7 I
>>> use
>>> a handful of programs 99% of the time.  I pin them to the taskbar.  They
>>> stack.  If I am remoted in to 5 different machines (yes, I do that every
>>> day) then I hover over the taskbar and up pops a list of the open remote
>>> desktop sessions.  How do I accomplish that with Windows 8?
>>>
>>> How do you hover with a touch screen to begin with?  And why am I
>>> searching for third party apps to get back functionality that I need and
>>> was FORBIDDEN to have with Windows 8?  Is Microsoft my mom, telling me
>>> that
>>> I HAVE to do it this way?  Even my mom no longer tells me what to do.
>>>
>>> I did discover that all of the old Windows applications look like they
>>> always did, can be windowed, and have the minimize and close button.  But
>>> of course all of the "Windows 8 native" apps don't and don't and don't.
>>>
>>> And why do I have to rearrange a HUGE screen of HUGE blocks of pictures
>>> which pretty much have nothing to do with what they represent to get the
>>> ones I use most all on the screen at the same time.  Menus exist because
>>> they logically group operations.  In Windows 7 If I need an Office app I
>>> can go find all of the Microsoft office programs by finding the menu for
>>> that.  Yes, you have to hunt and figure that out but once you do the menu
>>> allows you to see groups of programs (or operations).  The "start" screen
>>> just has a bajillion HUGE blocks scrolling off to the right forever, mere
>>> and more as you add things to your computer.  Wow.  Try cut and paste
>>> between two apps.
>>>
>>> In the end, I discovered that I use my laptop for real work and Windows 8
>>> makes real work hard.  Even when you know how to use it, it is still
>>> hard.
>>>   I often use a tablet for the internet and "social" stuff, but even
>>> that is
>>> not as easy to accomplish (I.e. that is also "real work" as on a Windows
>>> 7
>>> computer.  If I want to sit in my car or in my easy chair I will use my
>>> tablet but if I have serious research, opening a couple of instances of
>>> Chrome, with tabs, dragging tabs down to create new instances to research
>>> something... I go to my computer.  My Windows 7 computer.
>>>
>>> I finally just broke down and bought Windows 7 pro and installed it.  It
>>> was a MAJOR PITA to find all of the drivers for the chipset, touch screen
>>> etc.  But I ended up with a fully functioning Windows 7.  Given that all
>>> laptops come with 5400 rpm drives, and I was going to replace mine, I
>>> decided to buy a Samsung EVO 500 gb drive. WHOA!!! Smokin'  The
>>> difference
>>> in everything I do is flat out incredible.
>>>
>>> The Windows experience is 7.8-7.9 in everything except the graphics which
>>> is a 6.7 due to Intel's sucky graphics chips.  Oh to have a quad core I7
>>> and AMD's graphics.  Oh well.
>>>
>>> I now LOVE my laptop.
>>>
>>> My son has a Windows XP system, very old.  He downloads a ton of crap and
>>> managed to get it so infected that I had major problems getting it
>>> sanitized.  So I am building a new system.   Given that XP loses the last
>>> vestiges of support in two months I decided to use Windows 7 for that as
>>> well.  Which leaves me in a quandary.  Do I buy a handful of copies for
>>> future proofing?  Windows 7 sales (from third parties like new egg) will
>>> go
>>> away in about 6 months.
>>>
>>> On a final note to Metro bashing... Has anyone been to MSNBC lately?
>>>  OMG.
>>>   I no longer use that as my goto news source since I cannot find
>>> anything
>>> without paging down through page after page of pictures about crap I am
>>> not
>>> interested in.  Someone bought into Metro big time.
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
>>> Windows 8 is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Feb 27 02:48:37 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 08:48:37 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
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Hi John

Well, that demonstrates what I mentioned earlier. If you meet a challenge with "this will not work", it most likely won't.

Use your imagination and focus on the possibilities rather than some bad implementation.

Four tiles on a wristwatch could be two small for message/phone access or other info, one wide for the time. Swipe and you will have other options.
Two tiles on a lightswitch could be one for switching on/off, one for a spinner to select the light level. Swipe for options like setting max. light level or delayed dimming. Whatever. If a given setup doesn't fit your purpose, swipe for the settings and adjust.

Just off my head.

So yes, you missed it.

/gustav

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Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John W Colby
Sendt: 26. februar 2014 23:44
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase

This has turned into "Ramblings of a bunch of nut cases" eh?

And... How many tiles can you fit on a watch?  Hmmmm.....  Wait a second while I swipe..... Wait... 
it's a coming... just a few thousand more swipes.... I know it's in this mess somewhere...  I DIDN'T say that, I REALLY love my Windows watch...

Oh CRAP I must have missed it. let me start again...

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/26/2014 5:33 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
>> The brilliant thing is, that the Metro/Modern interface potentially can scale from a wristwatch or a lightswitch to a laserbeam operated cinemascreen.
> You mean, something like the Truman Show poster?
> http://www.impawards.com/1998/truman_show_ver1_xlg.html
>
> Mother of god. An icon. within a box. And repeated in a tiled fashion. 
> That's brilliant. Why hasn't anyone else done this??? :)
>
> To be honest, I never had a problem with Metro's tiled interface in theory. The implementation of how apps behave when you click on them and the whole magic corners really breaks the whole thing for me. Also, having many of your tiles constantly change information makes for a very obnoxious interface for anything other than a news ticker display.
>
> Microsoft could totally fix Metro and make it something people actually are interested in, but, as it currently stands, an excess of minimalism and rejection of decades of user interface design + the awesome magic corners makes it very difficult to love.
>
> - Hans 


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Thu Feb 27 02:55:02 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 03:55:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
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 >So yes, you missed it.

Yep, still do.  A watch is not a tablet is not a desktop.  Forcing all three to use the same 
software is a recipe for... Windows 8. A desktop that wants to be a tablet, a tablet that wants to 
be a desktop and a watch that wants... Microsoft to go away and let it run linux.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/27/2014 3:48 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi John
>
> Well, that demonstrates what I mentioned earlier. If you meet a challenge with "this will not work", it most likely won't.
>
> Use your imagination and focus on the possibilities rather than some bad implementation.
>
> Four tiles on a wristwatch could be two small for message/phone access or other info, one wide for the time. Swipe and you will have other options.
> Two tiles on a lightswitch could be one for switching on/off, one for a spinner to select the light level. Swipe for options like setting max. light level or delayed dimming. Whatever. If a given setup doesn't fit your purpose, swipe for the settings and adjust.
>
> Just off my head.
>
> So yes, you missed it.
>
> /gustav
>
>


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From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Thu Feb 27 03:23:20 2014
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 09:23:20 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Manufacturing Application
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Rocky I will get back to you at some point, as soon as my friend can get
back to me, as a start I have asked (probably the wrong question) if he
could supply me with a list of all raw materials they currently have that
are used in the manufacture of this specialised paint, so at least I can
look at building a sort of raw parts inventory.

Paul


On 26 February 2014 13:45, jack drawbridge <jackandpat.d at gmail.com> wrote:

> Paul,
> There are a number of free data models at
> http://www.databaseanswers.org
>
> use google or bing and use this search term
>
> *databaseanswers.org <http://databaseanswers.org> data model
> manufacturing*
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 1:55 AM, Paul Hartland <
> paul.hartland at googlemail.com
> > wrote:
>
> > To all,
> >
> > Has anyone had any experience in designing and developing a manufacturing
> > application, I am trying to find a database model or example database to
> > get an exact idea of requirements, basically a friend of mine works as
> head
> > accountant for a specialist paint manufacturer and he says there just
> isn't
> > anything out there to do exactly what they require, so being clever I
> said
> > I would offer my services to try and get something as close as possible
> to
> > what they require, then a few hours later realising that I had never
> worked
> > on a manufacturer process, I have emailed him asking for the processes
> and
> > materials they use for the manufacturing process, but wanted to try and
> get
> > a head start.
> >
> > Any help or pointers for this would be appreciated.
> >
> > --
> > Paul Hartland
> > paul.hartland at googlemail.com
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Thu Feb 27 03:40:23 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 04:40:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8 as viewed by... the rest of us pussies
Message-ID: <530F0807.2060503@gmail.com>


http://www.infoworld.com/d/microsoft-windows/windows-81-review-new-version-same-mess-226510?page=0,0

Just gotta love Search, and Bing.  Or not.  It seems that MS is prepping to sell ads in every 
search.  And why not?  All those content consumers that Windows 8 targets is a captive audience cash 
cow.

http://reviews.cnet.com/microsoft-windows-8-1/


And Windows 8 as seen by the Facebook crowd.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/17/4845142/windows-8-1-review

In other news, Toyota and GM announced that their engineers will be developing vehicles tailored to 
customers who use steering wheels.  Presumably, this is a result of customer feedback revealing that 
steering wheels still represent the most widely accepted way of driving a car.  (But to be fair, how 
could Toyota and GM have been expected to know that?)

;)

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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Thu Feb 27 04:12:51 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 05:12:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
In-Reply-To: <6ce98428ff164f90bc17abd516e62da3@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <6ce98428ff164f90bc17abd516e62da3@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <530F0FA3.4020004@gmail.com>

I guess what I missed is what Windows OS has to do with a watch?  I mean think about it for a 
moment. Windows is about running Word, or Firefox or any other APPLICATION.  Windows in NOT AN 
application, it is an OS used to provide a context for applications to run in.  I have watched a 
dozen smart watches come and go, mostly go.  They go because the physical constraints don't work.  
Yea, yea, James bond aside...

Someday, maybe, when the watch display is Hidef TV in a 1" square, and voice command absolutely 
unequivocally works, and the internet covers everywhere you want to be, then the watch may very well 
become a useful little widget for something other than telling time and listening to your heart.  
Until then, telling time and listening to your heart do NOT require Windows 8.1 (in any form). And 
until then, anything that you can do in Windows 8.1 isn't going to map to a watch.

I went to the store last night.  As I pulled into the parking lot I said to my self "self, let's 
order some sushi from the local sushi joint".  I whipped out my PHONE (Samsung S3), which has a huge 
display, Google Maps, navigation and a connection to the internet via the local cell system.  NOTICE 
this is NOT a tiny little watch.  I tried to find the sushi place so I could call it.  All 
completely run of the mill.  Except that it didn't work. The search went out to lunch and never came 
back.  I sat there in the cab of my truck dicking around for about 5 minutes and finally gave up.  
Now you tell me, is any watch going to do this?  I had an entire computer in my hand, a thousand 
times more powerful in every way than what ran the company I worked for in 1985... and gave up in 
disgust.  I will admit that I have done that a hundred times successfully, but on a monster smart 
phone, NOT a watch.

 From over here, you appear to be desperate to justify the Windows 8 experience.  If I am having the 
time of my life with some gorgeous babe, I have absolutely no need to "justify the experience".  
Except to my wife of course, but you get my point. If Windows 8 was anything close to a pleasant 
experience for even a simple majority of the public, why in the world is that simple majority (and I 
doubt that!!!) trying so desperately to justify it?

I get that you and Charlotte love it, but that doesn't make it "the time of my life".  And from my 
read, where the articles aren't pretty much blatant Microsoft advertising, not many of the major 
reviewers much like it either.

I bought one of the first Hyundais.  It was a truly sucky, and short lived car (they later got 
better).  Having plunked down the money, I "grew to love it".  Yea right.  Looking back on it, it 
was a truly sucky car but there I was "liking it".

Think about that. You can consider yourself "ahead of the times" if you want.  I consider you 
delusional at best.  I spent two minths trying to make it work and every time I wanted to get any 
real work done I switched to a Windows 7 computer.

NOT a gorgeous babe!

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/27/2014 3:48 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi John
>
> Well, that demonstrates what I mentioned earlier. If you meet a challenge with "this will not work", it most likely won't.
>
> Use your imagination and focus on the possibilities rather than some bad implementation.
>
> Four tiles on a wristwatch could be two small for message/phone access or other info, one wide for the time. Swipe and you will have other options.
> Two tiles on a lightswitch could be one for switching on/off, one for a spinner to select the light level. Swipe for options like setting max. light level or delayed dimming. Whatever. If a given setup doesn't fit your purpose, swipe for the settings and adjust.
>
> Just off my head.
>
> So yes, you missed it.
>
> /gustav
>

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From anita at ddisolutions.com.au  Thu Feb 27 05:27:31 2014
From: anita at ddisolutions.com.au (Anita Smith)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 11:27:31 +0000
Subject: [AccessD]  Friday OT - Pro bono proctologists and whatnot
Message-ID: <0B4AA61FDEF597449F7D28C41E786D961BB11EBF@DDI-DC1.DDI.local>

It's almost Friday here in Australia now, and after a long hard day working, I'm reading the latest ramblings from AccessD with much amusement :-)

John's end quote - 
"Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it"

inspired me to listen to my favourite rant on  "shit, shinola and relativism". Some of you may find this amusing:

http://youtu.be/7OX77Qv66qw

Anita



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Feb 27 06:47:18 2014
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 04:47:18 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Manufacturing Application
In-Reply-To: <CALGJE96TfLuFK3GAMhmuVsOn5mKGCoiaf2wmnB0Rru4Qn=o0Tw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALGJE94+NsQ1coBJdYQXct=4syob53nQQ3dOtaEckVr5aA9wMQ@mail.gmail.com><CAKvidAvt2MQjNA=yyeg4rUuH24rDL7HF5mvi7usQLQxntLY1_A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALGJE96TfLuFK3GAMhmuVsOn5mKGCoiaf2wmnB0Rru4Qn=o0Tw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9CDFC47C3D014E51B38BF64EA2B61AA6@HAL9007>

Or if you want to hook us up on a three-way telecon, I could ask him the
standard list of questions I ask small manufacturers when trying to figure
out what they need and what would be best for them.  Happy to do that for
you.

R

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hartland
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 1:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Manufacturing Application

Rocky I will get back to you at some point, as soon as my friend can get
back to me, as a start I have asked (probably the wrong question) if he
could supply me with a list of all raw materials they currently have that
are used in the manufacture of this specialised paint, so at least I can
look at building a sort of raw parts inventory.

Paul


On 26 February 2014 13:45, jack drawbridge <jackandpat.d at gmail.com> wrote:

> Paul,
> There are a number of free data models at 
> http://www.databaseanswers.org
>
> use google or bing and use this search term
>
> *databaseanswers.org <http://databaseanswers.org> data model
> manufacturing*
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 1:55 AM, Paul Hartland < 
> paul.hartland at googlemail.com
> > wrote:
>
> > To all,
> >
> > Has anyone had any experience in designing and developing a 
> > manufacturing application, I am trying to find a database model or 
> > example database to get an exact idea of requirements, basically a 
> > friend of mine works as
> head
> > accountant for a specialist paint manufacturer and he says there 
> > just
> isn't
> > anything out there to do exactly what they require, so being clever 
> > I
> said
> > I would offer my services to try and get something as close as 
> > possible
> to
> > what they require, then a few hours later realising that I had never
> worked
> > on a manufacturer process, I have emailed him asking for the 
> > processes
> and
> > materials they use for the manufacturing process, but wanted to try 
> > and
> get
> > a head start.
> >
> > Any help or pointers for this would be appreciated.
> >
> > --
> > Paul Hartland
> > paul.hartland at googlemail.com
> > --
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Thu Feb 27 07:12:20 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 08:12:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT - Pro bono proctologists and whatnot
In-Reply-To: <0B4AA61FDEF597449F7D28C41E786D961BB11EBF@DDI-DC1.DDI.local>
References: <0B4AA61FDEF597449F7D28C41E786D961BB11EBF@DDI-DC1.DDI.local>
Message-ID: <530F39B4.4010209@gmail.com>

Probono proctologists.  Nice one.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/27/2014 6:27 AM, Anita Smith wrote:
> It's almost Friday here in Australia now, and after a long hard day working, I'm reading the latest ramblings from AccessD with much amusement :-)
>
> John's end quote -
> "Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it"
>
> inspired me to listen to my favourite rant on  "shit, shinola and relativism". Some of you may find this amusing:
>
> http://youtu.be/7OX77Qv66qw
>
> Anita
>
>


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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Thu Feb 27 07:41:38 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 08:41:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT - Pro bono proctologists and whatnot
In-Reply-To: <0B4AA61FDEF597449F7D28C41E786D961BB11EBF@DDI-DC1.DDI.local>
References: <0B4AA61FDEF597449F7D28C41E786D961BB11EBF@DDI-DC1.DDI.local>
Message-ID: <530F4092.9040105@gmail.com>

The nice thing about AccessD is that we can say things to each other which are real from each of our 
perspectives, knowing that as the thread winds down we still care about each other and it all 
doesn't matter.  You are who you are and like what you like and that is not who I am and what I like 
and that's OK.  I still like and care about you no matter how bizarre I may find you.  Perhaps in 
fact BECAUSE of how bizarre I find you.

HOW CAN YOU THINK THAT my mind screams, but the answer is simple. And if someone didn't think 
different from me there would be no progress.  And not all progress is good progress.  But good is 
relative to my frame of reference of course.  And so around we go.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/27/2014 6:27 AM, Anita Smith wrote:
> It's almost Friday here in Australia now, and after a long hard day working, I'm reading the latest ramblings from AccessD with much amusement :-)
>
> John's end quote -
> "Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it"
>
> inspired me to listen to my favourite rant on  "shit, shinola and relativism". Some of you may find this amusing:
>
> http://youtu.be/7OX77Qv66qw
>
> Anita
>
>


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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Thu Feb 27 09:47:12 2014
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 10:47:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8 as viewed by... the rest of us pussies
In-Reply-To: <530F0807.2060503@gmail.com>
References: <530F0807.2060503@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAvJ2gWxM8gp=1F4F6=ZVdDjySCD8MW7h98P7MDM2ih0OQ@mail.gmail.com>

JC,

I just got this link a few minutes ago. "Windows 8 Learn to Love it."
http://www.infoworld.com/d/microsoft-windows/windows-8-learn-love-it-236594?source=IDGENTERPRISENLE_nlt_insider_2014-02-27


On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 4:40 AM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> http://www.infoworld.com/d/microsoft-windows/windows-81-
> review-new-version-same-mess-226510?page=0,0
>
> Just gotta love Search, and Bing.  Or not.  It seems that MS is prepping
> to sell ads in every search.  And why not?  All those content consumers
> that Windows 8 targets is a captive audience cash cow.
>
> http://reviews.cnet.com/microsoft-windows-8-1/
>
>
> And Windows 8 as seen by the Facebook crowd.
>
> http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/17/4845142/windows-8-1-review
>
> In other news, Toyota and GM announced that their engineers will be
> developing vehicles tailored to customers who use steering wheels.
>  Presumably, this is a result of customer feedback revealing that steering
> wheels still represent the most widely accepted way of driving a car.  (But
> to be fair, how could Toyota and GM have been expected to know that?)
>
> ;)
>
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>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
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From kathrynatgwens at socal.rr.com  Thu Feb 27 13:52:56 2014
From: kathrynatgwens at socal.rr.com (Kathryn at Gwen's)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 11:52:56 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Compile Error - Label Not Defined
Message-ID: <005801cf33f5$82b94de0$882be9a0$@socal.rr.com>

Totally different mdb this time. I'm totally out of my bailiwick with making
print buttons. In the past, I've had no problem copying one, then modifying
it, compiling, and everything works. This time, I'm getting an error. First
is the one that works fine (* note at end).

- - - - - - - -
Private Sub btnBickleyFont_Click()
On Error GoTo Err_btnBickleyFont_Click

    Dim DocName As String

    DocName = "Envelope - Binkley Font"
    DoCmd.OpenReport DocName, A_PREVIEW

Exit_btnBickleyFont_Click:
    Exit Sub

Err_btnBickleyFont_Click:
    MsgBox Error$
    Resume Exit_btnBickleyFont_Click

End Sub
- - - - - - - -
Now the new one:
- - - - - - - -
Private Sub btnBickleyFontGwen_Click()
On Error GoTo Err_btnBickleyFontGwen_Click

    Dim DocName As String

    DocName = "Envelope - Binkley Font Gwen"
    DoCmd.OpenReport DocName, A_PREVIEW

Exit_btnBickleyGwenFont_Click:
    Exit Sub

Err_btnBickleyFontGwen_Click:
    MsgBox Error$
    Resume Exit_btnBickleyFontGwen_Click
End Sub
- - - - - - - -
That's the one that I get "Compile Error - Label Not Defined" - what does
that mean? How do I fix it?


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(*) though recently, without any modification, it gives a blank envelope in
between printed envelopes. Livable, but baffling.


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From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Thu Feb 27 13:53:57 2014
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 14:53:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Converting case
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V5a1ka2qvt6D3Ur_B9sC6LadDFhOyiaeAOw9=bmWzKNog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <172E3774CC114A388122B1413C8E9597@BondSoftware.local>
	<F35C4737E33A6543BC69DFB19CB5748F106BC8@bsserver.BondSoftware.local>
	<000001cf32bb$bf9dd9a0$3ed98ce0$@roadrunner.com>
	<CAGuQ9V5a1ka2qvt6D3Ur_B9sC6LadDFhOyiaeAOw9=bmWzKNog@mail.gmail.com>
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Yep. That syntax is invalid in Access VBA (Access 2010). Perhaps whoever wrote it was thinking in some other language.

The purpose of the line is to convert x() from a UniCode (i.e. 2 bytes per character) string to an ASCII string. This modification does that...

Dim i As Long
Dim x() As Byte
x = "ABCDEFG"
x = StrConv(x, vbFromUnicode) ' Convert string.

For i = 0 To UBound(x)
    Debug.Print x(i)
Next

And the empty parentheses just declare an array of unknown size. The assignment 

x = "ABCDEFG" 

completes creation of the array.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 5:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Converting case

I rarely do this but I decided to look up what MSFT had to say about StrConv function.

I was surprised to see in this post, a second argument in an assignment statement (i.e., equal sign expression). Is that valid?
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/access-help/strconv-function-HA001228915.aspx
 Furthermore, using () in a byte declaration? I thought that was for variants?

I feel like such a know-nothing!

Dim i As Long

Dim x() As Byte
x = "ABCDEFG", vbFromUnicode ' Convert string.
For i = 0 To UBound(x)
    Debug.Print x(i)
Next



On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 1:26 AM, Bob Gajewski <rbgajewski at roadrunner.com>wrote:

> Temp = StrConv(Temp, vbProperCase)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stephen 
> Bond
> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 00:59 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Converting case
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/815282
>
> Method 1 looks promising
>
>
> Stephen
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn 
> Bassett
> Sent: Wednesday, 26 February 2014 6:00 p.m.
> To: Stephen
> Subject: [AccessD] Converting case
>
> On to another. Googling gets me some answers for Excel, but not Access.
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/c5cg7uji1kkhr0i/ConnerBishopHistoriesPlay.ac
> cdb
>
> In the Histories table, I converted the Country field using Find/Replace.
> But I don't relish the time required to do that with StateProvince, 
> County, and Town. Is there a quick way to change those to first letter 
> upper case, rest lower case?
>
> For instance NOVA SCOTIA to Nova Scotia, SAINT JEAN to Saint Jean, 
> CLARKE COUNTY to Clarke County?
>
> --
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> my soap"
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> http://bassett.net
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From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Thu Feb 27 13:57:45 2014
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 14:57:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Compile Error - Label Not Defined
In-Reply-To: <005801cf33f5$82b94de0$882be9a0$@socal.rr.com>
References: <005801cf33f5$82b94de0$882be9a0$@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F980285290B70@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>

The Error handler in btnBickleyFontGwen_Click says

Resume Exit_btnBickleyFontGwen_Click

But you do not have a label called " Exit_btnBickleyFontGwen_Click", but rather one called "Exit_btnBickleyGwenFont_Click"

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn at Gwen's
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 2:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Compile Error - Label Not Defined

Totally different mdb this time. I'm totally out of my bailiwick with making print buttons. In the past, I've had no problem copying one, then modifying it, compiling, and everything works. This time, I'm getting an error. First is the one that works fine (* note at end).

- - - - - - - -
Private Sub btnBickleyFont_Click()
On Error GoTo Err_btnBickleyFont_Click

    Dim DocName As String

    DocName = "Envelope - Binkley Font"
    DoCmd.OpenReport DocName, A_PREVIEW

Exit_btnBickleyFont_Click:
    Exit Sub

Err_btnBickleyFont_Click:
    MsgBox Error$
    Resume Exit_btnBickleyFont_Click

End Sub
- - - - - - - -
Now the new one:
- - - - - - - -
Private Sub btnBickleyFontGwen_Click()
On Error GoTo Err_btnBickleyFontGwen_Click

    Dim DocName As String

    DocName = "Envelope - Binkley Font Gwen"
    DoCmd.OpenReport DocName, A_PREVIEW

Exit_btnBickleyGwenFont_Click:
    Exit Sub

Err_btnBickleyFontGwen_Click:
    MsgBox Error$
    Resume Exit_btnBickleyFontGwen_Click End Sub
- - - - - - - -
That's the one that I get "Compile Error - Label Not Defined" - what does that mean? How do I fix it?


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From jm.hwsn at gmail.com  Thu Feb 27 14:03:41 2014
From: jm.hwsn at gmail.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 14:03:41 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Compile Error - Label Not Defined
In-Reply-To: <005801cf33f5$82b94de0$882be9a0$@socal.rr.com>
References: <005801cf33f5$82b94de0$882be9a0$@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <CACbV_8PwaNGwOjT30NoDGXT03Grj61WTb2vCZWWZ+x-=tx3ofw@mail.gmail.com>

This should give you an error: Exit_btnBickleyGwenFont_Click:
It should be Exit_btnBicklleyFontGwen_Click

Jim


On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Kathryn at Gwen's <
kathrynatgwens at socal.rr.com> wrote:

> Totally different mdb this time. I'm totally out of my bailiwick with
> making
> print buttons. In the past, I've had no problem copying one, then modifying
> it, compiling, and everything works. This time, I'm getting an error. First
> is the one that works fine (* note at end).
>
> - - - - - - - -
> Private Sub btnBickleyFont_Click()
> On Error GoTo Err_btnBickleyFont_Click
>
>     Dim DocName As String
>
>     DocName = "Envelope - Binkley Font"
>     DoCmd.OpenReport DocName, A_PREVIEW
>
> Exit_btnBickleyFont_Click:
>     Exit Sub
>
> Err_btnBickleyFont_Click:
>     MsgBox Error$
>     Resume Exit_btnBickleyFont_Click
>
> End Sub
> - - - - - - - -
> Now the new one:
> - - - - - - - -
> Private Sub btnBickleyFontGwen_Click()
> On Error GoTo Err_btnBickleyFontGwen_Click
>
>     Dim DocName As String
>
>     DocName = "Envelope - Binkley Font Gwen"
>     DoCmd.OpenReport DocName, A_PREVIEW
>
> Exit_btnBickleyGwenFont_Click:
>     Exit Sub
>
> Err_btnBickleyFontGwen_Click:
>     MsgBox Error$
>     Resume Exit_btnBickleyFontGwen_Click
> End Sub
> - - - - - - - -
> That's the one that I get "Compile Error - Label Not Defined" - what does
> that mean? How do I fix it?
>
>
> --
> Kathryn Bassett
> kathrynatgwens at socal.rr.com (work)
> Kathryn at bassett.net (home)
>
>
>
>
> (*) though recently, without any modification, it gives a blank envelope in
> between printed envelopes. Livable, but baffling.
>
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From kathrynatgwens at socal.rr.com  Thu Feb 27 14:08:14 2014
From: kathrynatgwens at socal.rr.com (Kathryn at Gwen's)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 12:08:14 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Compile Error - Label Not Defined - SOLVED
Message-ID: <005901cf33f7$a5b90ae0$f12b20a0$@socal.rr.com>

Thanks Lambert and Jim - Fresh eyes are always the best when you've looked
at things a bunch of times without seeing the "snake".

Kathryn

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hewson
> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 12:04 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Compile Error - Label Not Defined
> 
> This should give you an error: Exit_btnBickleyGwenFont_Click:
> It should be Exit_btnBicklleyFontGwen_Click
> 
> Jim


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Feb 27 15:13:18 2014
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 07:13:18 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Manufacturing Application
In-Reply-To: <CALGJE96TfLuFK3GAMhmuVsOn5mKGCoiaf2wmnB0Rru4Qn=o0Tw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALGJE94+NsQ1coBJdYQXct=4syob53nQQ3dOtaEckVr5aA9wMQ@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAKvidAvt2MQjNA=yyeg4rUuH24rDL7HF5mvi7usQLQxntLY1_A@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CALGJE96TfLuFK3GAMhmuVsOn5mKGCoiaf2wmnB0Rru4Qn=o0Tw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <530FAA6E.3531.1383AA39@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Coming back a bit late = I was trying to track down the application but can't find a copy.

I built exactly this a number of years ago. The company used it for producting all the paint 
manufactured in PNG until their parent company overseas was bought out by Akzno Nobel 
and they had to change to AN's worldwide system.

You are looking at a a wide range fo chemicals that come in bags and drums and 
forumae/processes to convert them into paint.   There are quite a few mixtures which are 
made up in advance and can then be used in formulations so you have some things which 
are treated both as material and product. 

The formulations will be recorded as  a series of steps with quantity of a component to be 
added and  a description of that stage.  The production sheet needs to generated for each 
paint batch based on the formulation, formula and qty to be produced..

Quantities in a forumla will be either weight based on volume based and you need to record 
the specific gravity of each liquid ingredient and end product so that you can  convert it to 
weight.  Quantities in formulae are per lb/kg or whatever. 

So there is a bit of math involved in converting a formula listing vomponents in grams/kg into 
a production sheet listing quantities and steps to produce 600 litres of end product.

That's the simple part.  Then comes stock control, production scheduling, material 
forecasting, sample testing results etc, ect. 





On 27 Feb 2014 at 9:23, Paul Hartland wrote:

> Rocky I will get back to you at some point, as soon as my friend can
> get back to me, as a start I have asked (probably the wrong question)
> if he could supply me with a list of all raw materials they currently
> have that are used in the manufacture of this specialised paint, so at
> least I can look at building a sort of raw parts inventory.
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> On 26 February 2014 13:45, jack drawbridge <jackandpat.d at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > Paul,
> > There are a number of free data models at
> > http://www.databaseanswers.org
> >
> > use google or bing and use this search term
> >
> > *databaseanswers.org <http://databaseanswers.org> data model
> > manufacturing*
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 1:55 AM, Paul Hartland <
> > paul.hartland at googlemail.com
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > To all,
> > >
> > > Has anyone had any experience in designing and developing a
> > > manufacturing application, I am trying to find a database model or
> > > example database to get an exact idea of requirements, basically a
> > > friend of mine works as
> > head
> > > accountant for a specialist paint manufacturer and he says there
> > > just
> > isn't
> > > anything out there to do exactly what they require, so being
> > > clever I
> > said


From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Thu Feb 27 15:25:15 2014
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 16:25:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Compile Error - Label Not Defined - SOLVED
In-Reply-To: <005901cf33f7$a5b90ae0$f12b20a0$@socal.rr.com>
References: <005901cf33f7$a5b90ae0$f12b20a0$@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F980285290B9E@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>

Kathryn,

You might want to grab a (free) copy of MZ Tools from here
http://www.mztools.com/v3/mztools3.aspx

Amongst other things it lets you create an Error Handler template, and then you can add one to any routine at the click of a button, anywhere inside the Sub/Function. Avoids those pesky typos.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn at Gwen's
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 3:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Compile Error - Label Not Defined - SOLVED

Thanks Lambert and Jim - Fresh eyes are always the best when you've looked at things a bunch of times without seeing the "snake".

Kathryn

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd- 
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hewson
> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 12:04 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Compile Error - Label Not Defined
> 
> This should give you an error: Exit_btnBickleyGwenFont_Click:
> It should be Exit_btnBicklleyFontGwen_Click
> 
> Jim


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Feb 27 15:45:50 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 14:45:50 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
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Hi Martin:

Thanks for the comments. I am sure when Window9 is introduced the whole problem with application switching and data transferring will be resolved.

As for the adoption of Windows8.x, the current stats says that tablet usage is still predominantly iPad but other manufactures are increasing their presents; Asus, Samsung, Lenovo, Acer and other miscellaneous (including Apple) holds over 92 percent of the market and of that market less than 8 percent is Window8.x so it would seem very surprising, that even within your area that Windows8.x, would be the tablets of choice. Maybe this might be true within the university ground?

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 12:08:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase

I am sort of in both camps here

I have 8.1 Pro on tablets with Office Pro Plus and its fine. I hate the 2 interfaces though and wish they had made the leap one way or the other. iPad in a work environment is totally useless other than email and browser. Windows Pro 8.1 Pro on a tablet is a working machine once you get used to it. I also have an iPad and my kids hate it because they can only do one thing at a time on it, can't use Word, PowerPoint etc, the open in stuff drives them nuts.

I am also running a pilot with Windows 8.1 Pro tablets and so far user response has been great and we use no third party apps at all. But I do hate the way it bounces you between metro and the desktop. Drives me nuts. Windows Tablets here outside the pilot I run seem to be the user device of choice now. That really surprised me as we were thinking it would be iPADS.

Martin


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 25 February 2014 21:51
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase

Hi Arthur:

I see Windows 8.x as a great user computer...but in a full office environment it becomes hard to use. 

My thought is, "Why should the system have to be adapted to?", with all sorts of third-party apps just so it becomes business friendly. People, in an office, need a number of applications open just to do their work...for around home and just play, Windows 8.x is great. But then the question has to be asked then why not just get an iPad for home use?

Back in the day, when Windows 95 was first introduced, the company I was working for, put on a number of training sessions and these training sessions were very well attended. We also went from office to office giving training in certain programs. Introducing Windows was not a minor task...but after a while  people just got-it. Microsoft, in those days, gave a number of open conferences for the tech and user community. Again, they were well attended. It is amazing how quickly everyone forgets just how hard it was introducing the new windows and the new Office. The UI did not appear obvious to all but everyone really wanted to learn.

Today it is a similar problem but this time the average user, or anyone for that matter, is on their own and must figure out things by themselves. What results is that a few figure some way to do something, other figure out another way and some just quit as there are many simple alternatives, that just work.

Jim          

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 25 February, 2014 12:05:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase

IMHO, you folks are all pussies and refuse to see what's great about Windows 8. With the proviso that you download and install ClassicShell (google it). This free tool goes a long way toward making Windows 8 palatable for old-timers. In fact it goes further than that; it's smarter and better than the old classic start menu.

Even without this wonderful tool, there are a few key things you can do to smarten up your startup tile UI: most notably, you can drag the tiles into an arrangement of your choice, and also create groups of tiles containing associated programs (i.e. a Media group, a SQL group, etc. And most significantly, you can drag your most frequently-visited programs to the top left of the tile groups. In my tile setup, the first tile is Desktop. I have two monitors and the desktop opens on the large monitor. I also make extensive use of the QuickLaunch bar, and the programs soon learn which monitor they should load on.

That custom setup accomplished, you are now in a position to see some of the startup, performance and memory management advantages of Windows 8.1. I can only say that I'd never consider going back to Windows 7. I still have a copy of it, but it's on a separate box entirely, and I find myself using that box less and less -- just for large downloads and for running Ubuntu Linux.

I have one more customization of the Win 8.1 laptop planned. I recently read a net piece on how to hook up two external monitors to a laptop.
That's next. I'll have three monitors, two external and the laptop monitor.
That will be very cool.

My $0.02.

Arthur
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From anita at ddisolutions.com.au  Thu Feb 27 17:31:16 2014
From: anita at ddisolutions.com.au (Anita Smith)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 23:31:16 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT - Pro bono proctologists and whatnot
In-Reply-To: <530F4092.9040105@gmail.com>
References: <0B4AA61FDEF597449F7D28C41E786D961BB11EBF@DDI-DC1.DDI.local>
	<530F4092.9040105@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0B4AA61FDEF597449F7D28C41E786D961BB12187@DDI-DC1.DDI.local>

Right you are John. After all these years you have become a group of close friends. The atmosphere in the group is that of a bunch of people/friends with a common interest getting along in the most amazing way.

You guys must have known each other for at least 15 years by now :-)

I am a sucker for progress myself. I can't wait to see what amazing discoveries lies ahead.

Anita Smith

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
Sent: Friday, 28 February 2014 12:42 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT - Pro bono proctologists and whatnot

The nice thing about AccessD is that we can say things to each other which are real from each of our perspectives, knowing that as the thread winds down we still care about each other and it all doesn't matter.  You are who you are and like what you like and that is not who I am and what I like and that's OK.  I still like and care about you no matter how bizarre I may find you.  Perhaps in fact BECAUSE of how bizarre I find you.

HOW CAN YOU THINK THAT my mind screams, but the answer is simple. And if someone didn't think different from me there would be no progress.  And not all progress is good progress.  But good is relative to my frame of reference of course.  And so around we go.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/27/2014 6:27 AM, Anita Smith wrote:
> It's almost Friday here in Australia now, and after a long hard day 
> working, I'm reading the latest ramblings from AccessD with much 
> amusement :-)
>
> John's end quote -
> "Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it"
>
> inspired me to listen to my favourite rant on  "shit, shinola and relativism". Some of you may find this amusing:
>
> http://youtu.be/7OX77Qv66qw
>
> Anita
>
>


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Feb 27 23:34:36 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 22:34:36 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
In-Reply-To: <3ce4fe34c2ef48f4863fca748fc88974@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1787682558.3131514.1393565676353.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi All:

The truth of the matter is that OS FEs are history. Anyone with a little bit of effort can make own front end via the browser; HTML, CSS, JavaScripts, libraries and so on. If you are so inclined the browser interface could be made to look like a Windows8.x or any other interface...It is all limited by your imagination. 

Companies like Save-On-Foods, Rona and Walmart just run a browser front end to their invoicing applications (cashiers work stations). They could be setup for any type of application, whether it is just a single station, a network or a full or partial internet set of apps. It is great when the systems support guy can broadcast an application to any station on the network and can change the UI depending on any policy deemed appropriate per group or per individual. 

This concept can be made to over-ride the standard licensing of per station or per of user and that is why there is so much blow-back to this type of implementation. Also there is no limits on the type of applications and what OS that can be run...as long as there is an full-link whether UNC or HTML...the applications and data can be stored locally, anywhere on the network, anywhere on the internet or in the Cloud (local or remote) (...and of course whether your station is physically capable of performing the task).

All a station needs is to have is the ability to connect via a variety of standard protocols. 

In summary, our new powerful browsers are in the process of making our desktops irrelevant, IMHO. 

Aside: Some ambitious soul could build a Windows8.x interface and fix it. ;-) 

Jim    

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 1:55:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase

Hi John

I can't recall anything else than that it has always been there:

http://www.windows.sky-software.com/articles/windows_8_taskbar.htm

Time for a reinstall??

/gustav

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Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com>
Sendt: 26. februar 2014 22:43
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase

Do you have Windows 8.1?  When I look up Windows 8 taskbar it says that it applies  to Windows 8.1
and 8.1 RT.

There was something about 8.1 (don't remember what) that was "the last straw" and caused me to
uninstall the whole mess.  I couldn't uninstall the 8.1 update so I decided that it was so
unfriendly I would just wait for 9.0 and went out and bought a copy of Windows 7 to install.  So 99%
of my attempts to use was with 8.0.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/26/2014 4:12 PM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi John
>
> I don't get it. It is exactly what can be done out of the box.
> I can't even find a way to hide the taskbar permanently.
>
> /gustav
>
> ________________________________________
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com>
> Sendt: 26. februar 2014 20:44
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
>
> As for "where I put it", I never found it.  I found places to download "kinda sorta" third party
> equivalents (which I used) which were not as powerful as the original task bar.
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Fri Feb 28 00:56:27 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 01:56:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
In-Reply-To: <1787682558.3131514.1393565676353.JavaMail.root@cds002>
References: <1787682558.3131514.1393565676353.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <5310331B.1060604@gmail.com>

Jim,

 >The truth of the matter is that OS FEs are history. Anyone with a little bit of effort can make 
own front end via the browser;

Yes, except in MY job, and My day, I open the remote desktop client to get to a server running in 
New York (from NC), in that remote desktop I:

Open SSMS and copy an entire database template to a new name. Then I build a new copy of a table 
structure and copy a subset of data from one database / table to my new database / table.  Do that 
again for a second table.  Build a set of queries to perform counts on the data contained.  Open 
Excel, paste the counts from SSMS into the spreadsheet and save as to a file in a directory named to 
match the order I am working on.  Then I open Thunderbird to write an email, attaching the 
spreadsheet I just created and send it off.  Head off to do something similar  again.

Open  an email containing an attached spreadsheet of zips.  Save the excel sheet off to a directory 
named to match the order.  Open SSMS and import that list of zips into a database.  Run a query to 
get a list of counts.  Save in the same directory as the excel sheet I just received from the 
client.  Open Thunderbird, attach the spreadsheet I just created.

Receive an order spreadsheet.  Copy an order template to a new database.   Open that new order 
database.  Modify a set of already defined views in SSMS to pull a set of data.  Run a canned set of 
stored procedures to populate existing data tables with specific records.  Open a C# custom program 
and tell it to start outputting the data just pulled (pointing this program to my new order 
database)  into 500K record CSV files and shoveling those files off to a set of Virtual Machines 
running Accuzip, a third party address validation software.  My custom written program chunks for 
several hours, exporting a few million records, and reimporting the results back into SQL Server.

Switch back to my desktop, and I open several more remote desktops into these virtual machines and 
window them such that I can actually watch progress windows of Accuzip, to monitor the progress of 
all these VMS doing their jobs.   When Accuzip finishes (on all the VMS) I turn back to SSMS on the 
RD talking to NY and run another set of stored procedures to winnow through the data.  I then open 
another custom written C# program to export a few million records out to CSV files into that same 
custom directory mentioned earlier.  I zip them up using Winrar, dragging various and sundry files 
into ZIP archives.  Whereupon I turn to CuteFTP to upload the new Zip files to an FTP address 
dictated by the client.

Having done that I open thunderbird to send an email to my client and his client, with Excel 
attachments and PDF documents telling them that the order has shipped.

And THAT is why Windows 8 SUCKS so badly.  I use Windows, ALL DAY every day.  This is not something 
that is a cash register with a fixed set of screens.  This is a dynamic, back and forth, opening 
various and sundry third party applications from Microsoft (office / SQL Server Management Studio) 
CuteFTP, My own hand written C# stuff, WinRar, Thunderbird mail client, the Windows explorer client, 
Chrome browser.  I am constantly switching between open apps, most of the time windowed so that I 
can see the pieces and parts, drag files back and forth, drop files into directories on network 
shares and so forth.

You can say all you want that "everyone does simple shit" but that simply isn't true.  Many many 
MANY people have real, pretty complex jobs which require us to do a wide variety of tasks in many 
different third party apps, and even custom written apps, ALL DAY LONG, every day.

So for ME the OS FE HOSTS all these things, these applications that I need to use.  It needs to do 
it's job and NOT GET IN THE WAY, EVER.  It needs to window my third party apps.  It needs to allow 
me to drag and drop and cut and paste between open apps quickly and efficiently.  It needs to allow 
me to instantly SEE what I have open in my taskbar, and get at each instance of each application.  I 
have ZERO USE for pretty tiles with weather changing and flashing crap at me, or switching me back 
to some new age "modern" user interface because Steve Balmer thinks that is what I should be doing now.

I sell my time, whether it is doing this or writing programs.  If windows refuses to co-operate that 
costs me money.  If Windows decides that I really should be looking at Chrome full screen that costs 
me money.  I KNOW WHAT I NEED, I know how things need to be arranged, WINDOWS DOES NOT.

The OS needs to GET OUT OF MY FACE and let me do my job.

Windows 7 does exactly that.  I never figured out how to get Windows 8 out of my face.

And GOD FORBID if you come at me with a browser to manage my job. I will hunt you down and shoot you!!!

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/28/2014 12:34 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi All:
>
> The truth of the matter is that OS FEs are history. Anyone with a little bit of effort can make own front end via the browser; HTML, CSS, JavaScripts, libraries and so on. If you are so inclined the browser interface could be made to look like a Windows8.x or any other interface...It is all limited by your imagination.
>
> Companies like Save-On-Foods, Rona and Walmart just run a browser front end to their invoicing applications (cashiers work stations). They could be setup for any type of application, whether it is just a single station, a network or a full or partial internet set of apps. It is great when the systems support guy can broadcast an application to any station on the network and can change the UI depending on any policy deemed appropriate per group or per individual.
>
> This concept can be made to over-ride the standard licensing of per station or per of user and that is why there is so much blow-back to this type of implementation. Also there is no limits on the type of applications and what OS that can be run...as long as there is an full-link whether UNC or HTML...the applications and data can be stored locally, anywhere on the network, anywhere on the internet or in the Cloud (local or remote) (...and of course whether your station is physically capable of performing the task).
>
> All a station needs is to have is the ability to connect via a variety of standard protocols.
>
> In summary, our new powerful browsers are in the process of making our desktops irrelevant, IMHO.
>
> Aside: Some ambitious soul could build a Windows8.x interface and fix it. ;-)
>
> Jim
>
>


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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Fri Feb 28 01:34:27 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 02:34:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
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Jim,

In re-reading your post it occurred to me that my problem with Windows 8 is PRECISELY that, 
Microsoft tried to turn it into an application, where you spend time in WINDOWS arranging things in 
pretty screen slices and watching face book drift past, but WINDOWS and it's little applets are the 
show.  WINDOWS search opens IE and BING and serves up a delectible array of search results (and 
advertisements).

Windows 7 really has no FE per se. It is simply a framework for third party apps to run.  Yea, it 
has Windows Explorer to go find files and move them around but that is just a 1% slice of your day.  
MS wants you to spend 80% of your time in Windows (as an FE) where they can dish up pretty stuff 
(and advertisements) to you all day long.  And buy things in Windows store where they can charge you 
that 30% markup.  That is after all where 99% of tablets and their users spend their time right?  
Sounds like a much healthier profit center for Windows.  Google is in charge of Android, and the 
Google store, and Google search and rakes in all the profits from ads in those search streams.  Bing 
is and has always been a non-contender.  But if we can lasso users to sit and stare at pages of 
tiles with pretty changing pictures and flash up subliminal advertisements (putting on my tin foil 
hat here), and default to the BING search engine for moving around the internet, we can start raking 
in some of that loot.

And if we get in the way of real work... well that is the price of doing business eh?  And... 
another opportunity to serve you up a very relevant advertisement.

from one of the UI designers:

http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-8-ux-designer-on-metro-it-is-the-antithesis-of-a-power-user

>>>Windows 8 was designed for  the latter group: the content consumers. This is also where Metro stems from: it is a platform 
that is "simple, clear, and does one thing (and only one thing) relatively easily." Miller described 
Metro as/the antithesis of a power user/.

So does it really sound like it's time for me to re-install Windows 8?  ;)

Maybe it's time for y'all to reinstall Windows 7?  ;)

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/28/2014 12:34 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi All:
>
> The truth of the matter is that OS FEs are history. Anyone with a little bit of effort can make own front end via the browser; HTML, CSS, JavaScripts, libraries and so on. If you are so inclined the browser interface could be made to look like a Windows8.x or any other interface...It is all limited by your imagination.
>
> Companies like Save-On-Foods, Rona and Walmart just run a browser front end to their invoicing applications (cashiers work stations). They could be setup for any type of application, whether it is just a single station, a network or a full or partial internet set of apps. It is great when the systems support guy can broadcast an application to any station on the network and can change the UI depending on any policy deemed appropriate per group or per individual.
>
> This concept can be made to over-ride the standard licensing of per station or per of user and that is why there is so much blow-back to this type of implementation. Also there is no limits on the type of applications and what OS that can be run...as long as there is an full-link whether UNC or HTML...the applications and data can be stored locally, anywhere on the network, anywhere on the internet or in the Cloud (local or remote) (...and of course whether your station is physically capable of performing the task).
>
> All a station needs is to have is the ability to connect via a variety of standard protocols.
>
> In summary, our new powerful browsers are in the process of making our desktops irrelevant, IMHO.
>
> Aside: Some ambitious soul could build a Windows8.x interface and fix it. ;-)
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 1:55:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
>
> Hi John
>
> I can't recall anything else than that it has always been there:
>
> http://www.windows.sky-software.com/articles/windows_8_taskbar.htm
>
> Time for a reinstall??
>
> /gustav
>



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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Feb 28 01:50:53 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 07:50:53 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT - Pro bono proctologists and whatnot
Message-ID: <41c310e6a87c4c8c8875e5625e07cbd9@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Anita

Be careful with that progress stuff. That'll tickle the Windows 7 fanboys not to mention the XP left-overs. After a busy week, they deserve a weekend in the rocking chair.

/gustav


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Sendt: 28. februar 2014 00:31
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT - Pro bono proctologists and whatnot

Right you are John. After all these years you have become a group of close friends. The atmosphere in the group is that of a bunch of people/friends with a common interest getting along in the most amazing way.

You guys must have known each other for at least 15 years by now :-)

I am a sucker for progress myself. I can't wait to see what amazing discoveries lies ahead.

Anita Smith

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
Sent: Friday, 28 February 2014 12:42 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT - Pro bono proctologists and whatnot

The nice thing about AccessD is that we can say things to each other which are real from each of our perspectives, knowing that as the thread winds down we still care about each other and it all doesn't matter.  You are who you are and like what you like and that is not who I am and what I like and that's OK.  I still like and care about you no matter how bizarre I may find you.  Perhaps in fact BECAUSE of how bizarre I find you.

HOW CAN YOU THINK THAT my mind screams, but the answer is simple. And if someone didn't think different from me there would be no progress.  And not all progress is good progress.  But good is relative to my frame of reference of course.  And so around we go.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/27/2014 6:27 AM, Anita Smith wrote:
> It's almost Friday here in Australia now, and after a long hard day 
> working, I'm reading the latest ramblings from AccessD with much 
> amusement :-)
>
> John's end quote -
> "Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it"
>
> inspired me to listen to my favourite rant on  "shit, shinola and relativism". Some of you may find this amusing:
>
> http://youtu.be/7OX77Qv66qw
>
> Anita 


From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Feb 28 02:06:19 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 08:06:19 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
Message-ID: <08a217c0755b427dbb49520c4def092e@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Jim

There is a quite powerful css set, Metro UI CSS 2.0, to create a Metro style interface:

    http://metroui.org.ua/

It's even free to use.

Don't know if it would allow you to build a CSV transponder/transmogripher for JC. I think I'll pass.

/gustav


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Sendt: 28. februar 2014 06:35
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase

Hi All:

The truth of the matter is that OS FEs are history. Anyone with a little bit of effort can make own front end via the browser; HTML, CSS, JavaScripts, libraries and so on. If you are so inclined the browser interface could be made to look like a Windows8.x or any other interface...It is all limited by your imagination. 

Companies like Save-On-Foods, Rona and Walmart just run a browser front end to their invoicing applications (cashiers work stations). They could be setup for any type of application, whether it is just a single station, a network or a full or partial internet set of apps. It is great when the systems support guy can broadcast an application to any station on the network and can change the UI depending on any policy deemed appropriate per group or per individual. 

This concept can be made to over-ride the standard licensing of per station or per of user and that is why there is so much blow-back to this type of implementation. Also there is no limits on the type of applications and what OS that can be run...as long as there is an full-link whether UNC or HTML...the applications and data can be stored locally, anywhere on the network, anywhere on the internet or in the Cloud (local or remote) (...and of course whether your station is physically capable of performing the task).

All a station needs is to have is the ability to connect via a variety of standard protocols. 

In summary, our new powerful browsers are in the process of making our desktops irrelevant, IMHO. 

Aside: Some ambitious soul could build a Windows8.x interface and fix it. ;-) 

Jim    


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Feb 28 04:41:12 2014
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 14:41:12 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Ramblings_of_a_nutcase?=
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Message-ID: <1393584072.925765134@f380.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Gustav --

>? http://metroui.org.ua/
Thanks!


Friday, February 28, 2014 8:06 AM UTC from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>Hi Jim
>
>There is a quite powerful css set, Metro UI CSS 2.0, to create a Metro style interface:
>
>???? http://metroui.org.ua/
>
>It's even free to use.
>
>Don't know if it would allow you to build a CSV transponder/transmogripher for JC. I think I'll pass.
>
>/gustav
>
???????????? ??????

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Feb 28 10:30:42 2014
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 08:30:42 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
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Jim,

It's easy to say the desktop is dead unless you need to get some work done.
 I defy anyone to do anything meaningful in a spreadsheet on a smart watch
or even a phone.  You can build something somewhere else and run it on
those devices, but you still need a larger display to create it.  I have a
windows tablet that I rarely use because I'm on my laptop all the time.  So
my two must-have devices are an android phone and a windows 8.x laptop.
 Guess what?  I use the browser for email and research.  I have nothing
against web apps, but they don't fill every niche, and I think the desktop
(or at least, the laptop or all-in-one) is going to be around for a while.

Charlotte


On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 9:34 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi All:
>
> The truth of the matter is that OS FEs are history. Anyone with a little
> bit of effort can make own front end via the browser; HTML, CSS,
> JavaScripts, libraries and so on. If you are so inclined the browser
> interface could be made to look like a Windows8.x or any other
> interface...It is all limited by your imagination.
>
> Companies like Save-On-Foods, Rona and Walmart just run a browser front
> end to their invoicing applications (cashiers work stations). They could be
> setup for any type of application, whether it is just a single station, a
> network or a full or partial internet set of apps. It is great when the
> systems support guy can broadcast an application to any station on the
> network and can change the UI depending on any policy deemed appropriate
> per group or per individual.
>
> This concept can be made to over-ride the standard licensing of per
> station or per of user and that is why there is so much blow-back to this
> type of implementation. Also there is no limits on the type of applications
> and what OS that can be run...as long as there is an full-link whether UNC
> or HTML...the applications and data can be stored locally, anywhere on the
> network, anywhere on the internet or in the Cloud (local or remote) (...and
> of course whether your station is physically capable of performing the
> task).
>
> All a station needs is to have is the ability to connect via a variety of
> standard protocols.
>
> In summary, our new powerful browsers are in the process of making our
> desktops irrelevant, IMHO.
>
> Aside: Some ambitious soul could build a Windows8.x interface and fix it.
> ;-)
>
> Jim
>

From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Feb 28 11:09:49 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 10:09:49 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
In-Reply-To: <530E9F0E.8020204@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1675956381.3488589.1393607389735.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi John:

It seems that Windows 7 may be around a little longer...

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/european-technology/windows-7-change-is-good-news-for-customers-but-maybe-more-bad-news-for-windows-8/?tag=nl.e099&s_cid=e099&ttag=e099&ftag=TREd8c0fa8

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "John W Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 6:12:30 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase

OK thanks for the response.  So do the shrunken screen images help you differentiate between the 
instances?  Is it an icon sized image or large enough to actually see what it represents?

Are they stacked such that I can tell that they are open and how many?  Is there a little X off to 
the right allowing me to close each one as I desire?

I truly never got there in my attempts to use Windows 8.  I am dead certain that there was no task 
bar in windows 8.0.  I will no doubt be back in the next year or two, when or if MS comes to their 
senses and decides that what I like matters too.  It turns out that Windows 7 support drops in 2020 
so I have a loooooong time to hold out if I need to.  Hell, by then they will be off on a new jag, 
Windows 8 long forgotten.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/26/2014 9:00 PM, Gary Kjos wrote:
> No graphics here John. You should know that by now. As list helper I saw
> the rejected message though ;-)  Yes window 8.1 shows the multiple
> instances of your browsers in a list. The list for me goes sideways instead
> of vertical and it's shrunken screen images but it IS the list you desire.
> I don't use calculator or sticky notes. Boot to desktop is now the default
> too.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 7:33 PM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> OK Gustav, Here is what I am reading:
>>
>> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/use-the-taskbar
>>
>> Nowhere does it mention the functionality that I mention.
>>
>> 1) Always combine, hide label.  NOT what I am doing
>> 2) Combine when taskbar is full.  NOT what I am doing.
>> 3) Never combine.  Not what I am doing.
>>
>> So...
>>
>>
>>
>> The following is what I currently see when I hover over the chrome Icon.
>>   I can simply hover and click on "Apple warns" and that copy of Chrome
>> comes to the front.
>>
>> Does your task bar work that way?  Can you make it work that way? If not,
>> WHY NOT?  It is the way I do business.
>>
>> Can you hover over and get context sensitive menus from which you can
>> select things?  Can you do so without the mouse (obviously not)?  If not
>> why not?  This is basic power user functionality.  I learned to do this
>> stuff years ago.  It is highly useful stuff. Are we throwing all that away
>> so that we can pinch and zoom? Why?  Is this "least common denominator"?
>>
>> Open the metro equivalent of the calculator.  Does it fill the whole
>> screen?  WHY???  Is my entire 23" screen really required for the
>> calculator?  I am old but I don't need a calculator that big to be able to
>> see it.  Open the metro equivalent of the sticky notes.  Does it fill the
>> whole screen?  Why?  I am just jotting down a phone number.    Is this
>> "everything will fill the whole screen" REALLY a good idea???
>>
>> It feels like 1/2 of the world has drunk the koolade, and is chasing me
>> around trying to get me to drink it as well.
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>>
>> --
> Gary Kjos
> garykjos at gmail.com


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Feb 28 11:44:37 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 17:44:37 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
Message-ID: <d3265eac21b4439487d6c44706da2806@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Jim

That's bad news because the rocking chair may wear out before support runs out for Win7, and a new modern (Metro?) rocking chair will have all sorts of misbehaving like a plastic seat, no arm rests, and bad feet support - it may not even be able to rock!

/gustav


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Sendt: 28. februar 2014 18:10
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase

Hi John:

It seems that Windows 7 may be around a little longer...

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/european-technology/windows-7-change-is-good-news-for-customers-but-maybe-more-bad-news-for-windows-8/?tag=nl.e099&s_cid=e099&ttag=e099&ftag=TREd8c0fa8

Jim

----- Original Message -----
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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 6:12:30 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase

OK thanks for the response.  So do the shrunken screen images help you differentiate between the instances?  Is it an icon sized image or large enough to actually see what it represents?

Are they stacked such that I can tell that they are open and how many?  Is there a little X off to the right allowing me to close each one as I desire?

I truly never got there in my attempts to use Windows 8.  I am dead certain that there was no task bar in windows 8.0.  I will no doubt be back in the next year or two, when or if MS comes to their senses and decides that what I like matters too.  It turns out that Windows 7 support drops in 2020 so I have a loooooong time to hold out if I need to.  Hell, by then they will be off on a new jag, Windows 8 long forgotten.

John W. Colby 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Feb 28 11:59:52 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 10:59:52 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT - Pro bono proctologists and whatnot
In-Reply-To: <0B4AA61FDEF597449F7D28C41E786D961BB11EBF@DDI-DC1.DDI.local>
Message-ID: <1665491856.3545553.1393610392466.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Anita:

Excellent. :-)

Jim

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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 3:27:31 AM
Subject: [AccessD]  Friday OT - Pro bono proctologists and whatnot

It's almost Friday here in Australia now, and after a long hard day working, I'm reading the latest ramblings from AccessD with much amusement :-)

John's end quote - 
"Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it"

inspired me to listen to my favourite rant on  "shit, shinola and relativism". Some of you may find this amusing:

http://youtu.be/7OX77Qv66qw

Anita


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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Fri Feb 28 12:27:01 2014
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 13:27:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
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- it may not even be able to rock!

But don't worry, it'll get sorted before SP3.
Ain't progress fun.


On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Jim
>
> That's bad news because the rocking chair may wear out before support runs
> out for Win7, and a new modern (Metro?) rocking chair will have all sorts
> of misbehaving like a plastic seat, no arm rests, and bad feet support - it
> may not even be able to rock!
>
> /gustav
>
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
> Sendt: 28. februar 2014 18:10
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
>
> Hi John:
>
> It seems that Windows 7 may be around a little longer...
>
>
> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/european-technology/windows-7-change-is-good-news-for-customers-but-maybe-more-bad-news-for-windows-8/?tag=nl.e099&s_cid=e099&ttag=e099&ftag=TREd8c0fa8
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John W Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 6:12:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
>
> OK thanks for the response.  So do the shrunken screen images help you
> differentiate between the instances?  Is it an icon sized image or large
> enough to actually see what it represents?
>
> Are they stacked such that I can tell that they are open and how many?  Is
> there a little X off to the right allowing me to close each one as I desire?
>
> I truly never got there in my attempts to use Windows 8.  I am dead
> certain that there was no task bar in windows 8.0.  I will no doubt be back
> in the next year or two, when or if MS comes to their senses and decides
> that what I like matters too.  It turns out that Windows 7 support drops in
> 2020 so I have a loooooong time to hold out if I need to.  Hell, by then
> they will be off on a new jag, Windows 8 long forgotten.
>
> John W. Colby
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Feb 28 12:44:21 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 11:44:21 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT - Pro bono proctologists and whatnot
In-Reply-To: <0B4AA61FDEF597449F7D28C41E786D961BB12187@DDI-DC1.DDI.local>
Message-ID: <1060928595.3600827.1393613061175.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hear Hear...

Jim

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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 3:31:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT - Pro bono proctologists and whatnot

Right you are John. After all these years you have become a group of close friends. The atmosphere in the group is that of a bunch of people/friends with a common interest getting along in the most amazing way.

You guys must have known each other for at least 15 years by now :-)

I am a sucker for progress myself. I can't wait to see what amazing discoveries lies ahead.

Anita Smith

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Sent: Friday, 28 February 2014 12:42 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT - Pro bono proctologists and whatnot

The nice thing about AccessD is that we can say things to each other which are real from each of our perspectives, knowing that as the thread winds down we still care about each other and it all doesn't matter.  You are who you are and like what you like and that is not who I am and what I like and that's OK.  I still like and care about you no matter how bizarre I may find you.  Perhaps in fact BECAUSE of how bizarre I find you.

HOW CAN YOU THINK THAT my mind screams, but the answer is simple. And if someone didn't think different from me there would be no progress.  And not all progress is good progress.  But good is relative to my frame of reference of course.  And so around we go.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/27/2014 6:27 AM, Anita Smith wrote:
> It's almost Friday here in Australia now, and after a long hard day 
> working, I'm reading the latest ramblings from AccessD with much 
> amusement :-)
>
> John's end quote -
> "Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it"
>
> inspired me to listen to my favourite rant on  "shit, shinola and relativism". Some of you may find this amusing:
>
> http://youtu.be/7OX77Qv66qw
>
> Anita
>
>


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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Fri Feb 28 12:50:02 2014
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W Colby)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 13:50:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
In-Reply-To: <d3265eac21b4439487d6c44706da2806@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
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And even worse they can't possibly make enough of those crappy plastiky windows 8 (non) rocking 
chairs for the windows 8 fanbois that want them.

Luckily I bought the extended warranty on my comfy Windows 7 rocking chair.

Telling:

And when asked "Was Microsoft right to extend the availability of Windows 7 for business 
customers?," TechRepublic's panel of international business decisions makers responded yes 
unanimously  -- but their enthusiasm for Windows 7 seems to be linked to their lack of love for 
Windows 8.

and

Other tech chiefs made their voices heard too. Tim Stiles, CIO at the Bremerton Housing Authority, 
warned: "Acceptance of Windows 8 may never occur within the business community", while Brian Wells, 
associate CIO at Penn Medicine, said: "Many third party application vendors do not support Windows 8 
or its associated browser".

and

Matthew Oakley, group head of IT at Schroders, said "This recognizes, I think, that Windows 8 is not 
a really a business-ready platform and perhaps sets the scene for Windows 9 to be the main business 
migration."

I was rocking on my porch the other day, Windows 7 fanbois stretched as far as the eye could see.  
Out in the distance, I saw Gustav (having watched Shrek one to many times) jumping up in down waving 
his arms, yelling "Pick Windows 8, Pick Windows 8".

;)

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/28/2014 12:44 PM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi Jim
>
> That's bad news because the rocking chair may wear out before support runs out for Win7, and a new modern (Metro?) rocking chair will have all sorts of misbehaving like a plastic seat, no arm rests, and bad feet support - it may not even be able to rock!
>
> /gustav
>
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
> Sendt: 28. februar 2014 18:10
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
>
> Hi John:
>
> It seems that Windows 7 may be around a little longer...
>
> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/european-technology/windows-7-change-is-good-news-for-customers-but-maybe-more-bad-news-for-windows-8/?tag=nl.e099&s_cid=e099&ttag=e099&ftag=TREd8c0fa8
>
> Jim
>
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> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 6:12:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
>
> OK thanks for the response.  So do the shrunken screen images help you differentiate between the instances?  Is it an icon sized image or large enough to actually see what it represents?
>
> Are they stacked such that I can tell that they are open and how many?  Is there a little X off to the right allowing me to close each one as I desire?
>
> I truly never got there in my attempts to use Windows 8.  I am dead certain that there was no task bar in windows 8.0.  I will no doubt be back in the next year or two, when or if MS comes to their senses and decides that what I like matters too.  It turns out that Windows 7 support drops in 2020 so I have a loooooong time to hold out if I need to.  Hell, by then they will be off on a new jag, Windows 8 long forgotten.
>
> John W. Colby
>



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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Feb 28 15:31:04 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 14:31:04 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
In-Reply-To: <5310331B.1060604@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <487038371.3769254.1393623064445.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi John:

Many years ago I realized that I used a certain specific set of applications on a daily bases. As one of these applications was "start the browser" I replaced the default home page with my own page. I built a rudimentary home page which listed all my preferred applications like, editors, podcasts, client remote desktop, research and document directories and so on. Now all the common requirements have been scripted and it just requires a single click to launch, sometimes an input screen to prompt for script parameters, mostly a new tab is opened and/or the application could be started in an "iframe" if necessary. All of the new browsers have print options which makes it very easy. Now I can run anything on the network from a single location and sometimes when at a remote location I can run certain web applications that can monitor my or other client's networks.

A few years ago, I build a browser application so all the staff, at an office could run their business apps without having to wander searching and getting side-tracked with their non-business emails, social networks and everything they needed would be simple to find. Notices could be broadcasts to each employee and links could be added, deleted or modified at the whim of the office manager. (This web application only ran within the one office). I have not checked the client recently but I understand that they are still using the interface.

Whether you could build a web interface that would allow to run all your required applications I can not say...but I would suspect most could be. And further, if you were so inclined, you could build the web pages to look like and run like anything you wanted. You could even build something that looks like the Windows 8 UI but work just the way you want it to. ;-) ...but on general principle I would suspect not.

The main reason for this type of browser interface is to allow you to easily deploy a consistent UI across your network, potentially have access from remote locations, supply, at a mouse click any number of popdowns, notes pads, help screen etc...and it does not matter which OS you are running on or from. 

Aside: The one thing I did not mention is that if you want browser application run locally, with out reliance on the internet you have to have installed a internet server on your network and have a DNS setup...which I think you already have or can easily do if so inclined. IIS and apache webservers are free and small...or you can even run the web application via the "localhost" command as all desktops now how a basic webserver built in.

And one other note: Here is a link to a list of some methods that allow you to launch applications external from your browser, if you are using an older browser: 
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6265717/how-to-start-up-a-desktop-application-in-client-side
The new browsers have extensions that circumnavigate these restrictions but you still have be logged in as "GOD" and be in the same domain but would you really want some script-kiddie logging in remotely and formatting you drive via your master browser page? But of course if you can login from a remote site to your server you can accomplish anything.

Jim  

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Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 10:56:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase

Jim,

 >The truth of the matter is that OS FEs are history. Anyone with a little bit of effort can make 
own front end via the browser;

Yes, except in MY job, and My day, I open the remote desktop client to get to a server running in 
New York (from NC), in that remote desktop I:

Open SSMS and copy an entire database template to a new name. Then I build a new copy of a table 
structure and copy a subset of data from one database / table to my new database / table.  Do that 
again for a second table.  Build a set of queries to perform counts on the data contained.  Open 
Excel, paste the counts from SSMS into the spreadsheet and save as to a file in a directory named to 
match the order I am working on.  Then I open Thunderbird to write an email, attaching the 
spreadsheet I just created and send it off.  Head off to do something similar  again.

Open  an email containing an attached spreadsheet of zips.  Save the excel sheet off to a directory 
named to match the order.  Open SSMS and import that list of zips into a database.  Run a query to 
get a list of counts.  Save in the same directory as the excel sheet I just received from the 
client.  Open Thunderbird, attach the spreadsheet I just created.

Receive an order spreadsheet.  Copy an order template to a new database.   Open that new order 
database.  Modify a set of already defined views in SSMS to pull a set of data.  Run a canned set of 
stored procedures to populate existing data tables with specific records.  Open a C# custom program 
and tell it to start outputting the data just pulled (pointing this program to my new order 
database)  into 500K record CSV files and shoveling those files off to a set of Virtual Machines 
running Accuzip, a third party address validation software.  My custom written program chunks for 
several hours, exporting a few million records, and reimporting the results back into SQL Server.

Switch back to my desktop, and I open several more remote desktops into these virtual machines and 
window them such that I can actually watch progress windows of Accuzip, to monitor the progress of 
all these VMS doing their jobs.   When Accuzip finishes (on all the VMS) I turn back to SSMS on the 
RD talking to NY and run another set of stored procedures to winnow through the data.  I then open 
another custom written C# program to export a few million records out to CSV files into that same 
custom directory mentioned earlier.  I zip them up using Winrar, dragging various and sundry files 
into ZIP archives.  Whereupon I turn to CuteFTP to upload the new Zip files to an FTP address 
dictated by the client.

Having done that I open thunderbird to send an email to my client and his client, with Excel 
attachments and PDF documents telling them that the order has shipped.

And THAT is why Windows 8 SUCKS so badly.  I use Windows, ALL DAY every day.  This is not something 
that is a cash register with a fixed set of screens.  This is a dynamic, back and forth, opening 
various and sundry third party applications from Microsoft (office / SQL Server Management Studio) 
CuteFTP, My own hand written C# stuff, WinRar, Thunderbird mail client, the Windows explorer client, 
Chrome browser.  I am constantly switching between open apps, most of the time windowed so that I 
can see the pieces and parts, drag files back and forth, drop files into directories on network 
shares and so forth.

You can say all you want that "everyone does simple shit" but that simply isn't true.  Many many 
MANY people have real, pretty complex jobs which require us to do a wide variety of tasks in many 
different third party apps, and even custom written apps, ALL DAY LONG, every day.

So for ME the OS FE HOSTS all these things, these applications that I need to use.  It needs to do 
it's job and NOT GET IN THE WAY, EVER.  It needs to window my third party apps.  It needs to allow 
me to drag and drop and cut and paste between open apps quickly and efficiently.  It needs to allow 
me to instantly SEE what I have open in my taskbar, and get at each instance of each application.  I 
have ZERO USE for pretty tiles with weather changing and flashing crap at me, or switching me back 
to some new age "modern" user interface because Steve Balmer thinks that is what I should be doing now.

I sell my time, whether it is doing this or writing programs.  If windows refuses to co-operate that 
costs me money.  If Windows decides that I really should be looking at Chrome full screen that costs 
me money.  I KNOW WHAT I NEED, I know how things need to be arranged, WINDOWS DOES NOT.

The OS needs to GET OUT OF MY FACE and let me do my job.

Windows 7 does exactly that.  I never figured out how to get Windows 8 out of my face.

And GOD FORBID if you come at me with a browser to manage my job. I will hunt you down and shoot you!!!

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Feb 28 17:22:53 2014
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 15:22:53 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Show the print preview ribbon
Message-ID: <290110C380794F6DBE5534799FE2318E@HAL9007>

Dear List:
 
In an mdb I have a custom toolbar for print previews which had just the
close button and the magnifying glass.  In 2003 this works well but in 2007,
10 and 13 the custom toolbar does not show up.  Not surprising.
 
But in 2010 - my client's version - there is a print preview button at the
top when you're in print preview, and when you click it, the print preview
ribbon is displayed with the CLOSE in red.  Very good.  
 
But the client does not want to click Print Preview to open the ribbon.  He
wants the ribbon displayed when the report opens in print preview.  
 
How is this done?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Feb 28 19:29:10 2014
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 17:29:10 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Show the print preview ribbon
Message-ID: <BCD91D4D26AC40978333F478C5AD3CCD@HAL9007>

I see I left out the part where I converted the mdb to an accdb.  But it
would be even better if I cold get that close button on the report preview
somehow with the mdb and mde.
 
r
 

  _____  

From: Rocky Smolin [mailto:rockysmolin at bchacc.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 3:23 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Show the print preview ribbon


Dear List:
 
In an mdb I have a custom toolbar for print previews which had just the
close button and the magnifying glass.  In 2003 this works well but in 2007,
10 and 13 the custom toolbar does not show up.  Not surprising.
 
But in 2010 - my client's version - there is a print preview button at the
top when you're in print preview, and when you click it, the print preview
ribbon is displayed with the CLOSE in red.  Very good.  
 
But the client does not want to click Print Preview to open the ribbon.  He
wants the ribbon displayed when the report opens in print preview.  
 
How is this done?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 

From anita at ddisolutions.com.au  Fri Feb 28 20:48:31 2014
From: anita at ddisolutions.com.au (Anita Smith)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 02:48:31 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Show the print preview ribbon
In-Reply-To: <290110C380794F6DBE5534799FE2318E@HAL9007>
References: <290110C380794F6DBE5534799FE2318E@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <0B4AA61FDEF597449F7D28C41E786D961BB12583@DDI-DC1.DDI.local>

Rocky,
I've been using a version of this to minimize the ribbon for a while and have not had any problems with it so far. 

Public Function MinimizeRibbon(Optional ByVal blnMakeMin As Boolean = True) As Boolean
Dim blnIsMin As Boolean

    If Application.CommandBars.Item("Ribbon").Height > 80 Then
        blnIsMin = False
    Else
        blnIsMin = True
    End If
    If blnMakeMin = blnIsMin Then
    Else
        SendKeys "^{F1}", True
    End If
    MinimizeRibbon = True
End Function

Anita Smith

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Saturday, 1 March 2014 10:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Show the print preview ribbon

Dear List:
 
In an mdb I have a custom toolbar for print previews which had just the close button and the magnifying glass.  In 2003 this works well but in 2007,
10 and 13 the custom toolbar does not show up.  Not surprising.
 
But in 2010 - my client's version - there is a print preview button at the top when you're in print preview, and when you click it, the print preview ribbon is displayed with the CLOSE in red.  Very good.  
 
But the client does not want to click Print Preview to open the ribbon.  He wants the ribbon displayed when the report opens in print preview.  
 
How is this done?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Feb 28 22:04:32 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 21:04:32 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
In-Reply-To: <53103C03.1020008@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <181013799.4004420.1393646672565.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi John:

<rant mode on>
My belief is that the major companies are the entities that are really trying to kill off the PC. 

The new remote Cloud, internet and an OS which is tightly integrated to the web is much easier to monetize and really who wants a user to just install one OS or application on the desktop and sit on it for years and years?...a company could go broke waiting for a customer to finally decide to upgrade. The rental model is much better because if a tenant doesn't keep paying, you just throw them out, turn them off and it wouldn't be long before they come crawling back. Personally, I do not believe a company could be quite as ruthless as that but as the old saying goes, "When you have someone by the short-hairs it is not long before their heart and mind follows". ...and all the citizens would then be chanting Windows 8 is good, Windows 8 is great. ;-) 

Too bad Linux was not wiped out in 1995 or none of the users or developers would have an escape route.
<rant mode off>

IMHO, There is two groups of users out there. The Consumers and the Providers. Considering that providers are only about fifteen percent of the market, mostly are big companies and there is this huge push to get as many OS and application renters as possible...as this is where the money is. The question has to be asked, should the focus be towards providers? Providers like blog writers, developers, systems people and designers, for the most part they can make it on their own and always have so until the consumers have migrated to the new platforms, they will just have to wait. The trouble is that even though the consumer market, is basically stupid and very easy to scare into upgrading, like a good lawyers, in most cases, the Providers are standing in the way and saying, "Don't worry Microsoft will adapt eventually."...or as some wish just disappear altogether.

So we all park at Windows 7 and wait for Microsoft to decide where the company goes next. We have created a nice  symmetry, in that, for the exception of "the true believers", the Providers, that don't count, are holding back the wholesale adoption by the Consumers, by providing luke warm support at best and absolute disdain at worse.

Jim  
    
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From: "John W Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 11:34:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase

Jim,

In re-reading your post it occurred to me that my problem with Windows 8 is PRECISELY that, 
Microsoft tried to turn it into an application, where you spend time in WINDOWS arranging things in 
pretty screen slices and watching face book drift past, but WINDOWS and it's little applets are the 
show.  WINDOWS search opens IE and BING and serves up a delectible array of search results (and 
advertisements).

Windows 7 really has no FE per se. It is simply a framework for third party apps to run.  Yea, it 
has Windows Explorer to go find files and move them around but that is just a 1% slice of your day.  
MS wants you to spend 80% of your time in Windows (as an FE) where they can dish up pretty stuff 
(and advertisements) to you all day long.  And buy things in Windows store where they can charge you 
that 30% markup.  That is after all where 99% of tablets and their users spend their time right?  
Sounds like a much healthier profit center for Windows.  Google is in charge of Android, and the 
Google store, and Google search and rakes in all the profits from ads in those search streams.  Bing 
is and has always been a non-contender.  But if we can lasso users to sit and stare at pages of 
tiles with pretty changing pictures and flash up subliminal advertisements (putting on my tin foil 
hat here), and default to the BING search engine for moving around the internet, we can start raking 
in some of that loot.

And if we get in the way of real work... well that is the price of doing business eh?  And... 
another opportunity to serve you up a very relevant advertisement.

from one of the UI designers:

http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-8-ux-designer-on-metro-it-is-the-antithesis-of-a-power-user

>>>Windows 8 was designed for  the latter group: the content consumers. This is also where Metro stems from: it is a platform 
that is "simple, clear, and does one thing (and only one thing) relatively easily." Miller described 
Metro as/the antithesis of a power user/.

So does it really sound like it's time for me to re-install Windows 8?  ;)

Maybe it's time for y'all to reinstall Windows 7?  ;)

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Feb 28 22:06:45 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 21:06:45 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
In-Reply-To: <08a217c0755b427dbb49520c4def092e@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <760453489.4005162.1393646805117.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Gustav:

Thank you very much.

Jim

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From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 12:06:19 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase

Hi Jim

There is a quite powerful css set, Metro UI CSS 2.0, to create a Metro style interface:

    http://metroui.org.ua/

It's even free to use.

Don't know if it would allow you to build a CSV transponder/transmogripher for JC. I think I'll pass.

/gustav


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Sendt: 28. februar 2014 06:35
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase

Hi All:

The truth of the matter is that OS FEs are history. Anyone with a little bit of effort can make own front end via the browser; HTML, CSS, JavaScripts, libraries and so on. If you are so inclined the browser interface could be made to look like a Windows8.x or any other interface...It is all limited by your imagination. 

Companies like Save-On-Foods, Rona and Walmart just run a browser front end to their invoicing applications (cashiers work stations). They could be setup for any type of application, whether it is just a single station, a network or a full or partial internet set of apps. It is great when the systems support guy can broadcast an application to any station on the network and can change the UI depending on any policy deemed appropriate per group or per individual. 

This concept can be made to over-ride the standard licensing of per station or per of user and that is why there is so much blow-back to this type of implementation. Also there is no limits on the type of applications and what OS that can be run...as long as there is an full-link whether UNC or HTML...the applications and data can be stored locally, anywhere on the network, anywhere on the internet or in the Cloud (local or remote) (...and of course whether your station is physically capable of performing the task).

All a station needs is to have is the ability to connect via a variety of standard protocols. 

In summary, our new powerful browsers are in the process of making our desktops irrelevant, IMHO. 

Aside: Some ambitious soul could build a Windows8.x interface and fix it. ;-) 

Jim    

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Feb 28 22:57:33 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 21:57:33 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9DFbD6VK1P4Y7VXMbYg-KKEkVgvGFjm-fq4f2Nrh8Y4Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <901439776.4022221.1393649853371.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Charlotte:

Sorry but I think you misunderstood me. 

I was just suggesting that if someone does not like the UI of the current OS they are using, it is not Rocket-Science to just build your own browser FE. These browser page(s) can be made to look and act as functional and/or as pretty as you wish but the core applications can be installed within the OS or could be on any server, Cloud server or on the internet or any combination.

Now if you want similar functionality, on a tablet or smartphone, pages size-detection and layout can be adapted to appropriately support the host devices. Of course for web support you would have to either buy or better yet build/install your own webserver/domain/DNS. Note: IIS or/and Apache are free.

Note: I sent a link and some suggestions along with a post when I responded to one of John's posts, on how to run local applications. Much of this is really leading edge stuff as there has never been any integration between desktop and the browser...but that is all changing...for good or bad...it does sound dangerous to me too.

Aside: If you run your own Cloud, on your servers (http://owncloud.org) or pay someone else to do so, it will soon be feasible to deploy your own containers (https://www.docker.io). Containers are similar to a Virtual Drive but they are like a self-contained computer with the OS and applications and float within a completely secure Cloud environment. Containers can be updated, replicated or deleted instantly and are only dependant on the systems resources and/or demands (note: Docker is a distributive system so it can run across a cluster of virtually any number of computers) and any desktop application can be run from them...using any number of internet protocols. Check out the following link for an example of what can be (easily?) done: http://eqldata.com/kb/1051/share
     
Jim     

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlotte Foust" <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 8:30:42 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase

Jim,

It's easy to say the desktop is dead unless you need to get some work done.
 I defy anyone to do anything meaningful in a spreadsheet on a smart watch
or even a phone.  You can build something somewhere else and run it on
those devices, but you still need a larger display to create it.  I have a
windows tablet that I rarely use because I'm on my laptop all the time.  So
my two must-have devices are an android phone and a windows 8.x laptop.
 Guess what?  I use the browser for email and research.  I have nothing
against web apps, but they don't fill every niche, and I think the desktop
(or at least, the laptop or all-in-one) is going to be around for a while.

Charlotte


On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 9:34 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi All:
>
> The truth of the matter is that OS FEs are history. Anyone with a little
> bit of effort can make own front end via the browser; HTML, CSS,
> JavaScripts, libraries and so on. If you are so inclined the browser
> interface could be made to look like a Windows8.x or any other
> interface...It is all limited by your imagination.
>
> Companies like Save-On-Foods, Rona and Walmart just run a browser front
> end to their invoicing applications (cashiers work stations). They could be
> setup for any type of application, whether it is just a single station, a
> network or a full or partial internet set of apps. It is great when the
> systems support guy can broadcast an application to any station on the
> network and can change the UI depending on any policy deemed appropriate
> per group or per individual.
>
> This concept can be made to over-ride the standard licensing of per
> station or per of user and that is why there is so much blow-back to this
> type of implementation. Also there is no limits on the type of applications
> and what OS that can be run...as long as there is an full-link whether UNC
> or HTML...the applications and data can be stored locally, anywhere on the
> network, anywhere on the internet or in the Cloud (local or remote) (...and
> of course whether your station is physically capable of performing the
> task).
>
> All a station needs is to have is the ability to connect via a variety of
> standard protocols.
>
> In summary, our new powerful browsers are in the process of making our
> desktops irrelevant, IMHO.
>
> Aside: Some ambitious soul could build a Windows8.x interface and fix it.
> ;-)
>
> Jim
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Feb 28 23:03:38 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 22:03:38 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
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Hi Gustav:

You are such a young brat. ;-) 

Maybe us old guys will all be dead before Windows 7 is finally retired and then you can have it all your own way. As for me, I will just wander off and use Linux until I see something better. :-) 

Jim  

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From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
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Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 9:44:37 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase

Hi Jim

That's bad news because the rocking chair may wear out before support runs out for Win7, and a new modern (Metro?) rocking chair will have all sorts of misbehaving like a plastic seat, no arm rests, and bad feet support - it may not even be able to rock!

/gustav


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Emne: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase

Hi John:

It seems that Windows 7 may be around a little longer...

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/european-technology/windows-7-change-is-good-news-for-customers-but-maybe-more-bad-news-for-windows-8/?tag=nl.e099&s_cid=e099&ttag=e099&ftag=TREd8c0fa8

Jim

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From: "John W Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 6:12:30 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase

OK thanks for the response.  So do the shrunken screen images help you differentiate between the instances?  Is it an icon sized image or large enough to actually see what it represents?

Are they stacked such that I can tell that they are open and how many?  Is there a little X off to the right allowing me to close each one as I desire?

I truly never got there in my attempts to use Windows 8.  I am dead certain that there was no task bar in windows 8.0.  I will no doubt be back in the next year or two, when or if MS comes to their senses and decides that what I like matters too.  It turns out that Windows 7 support drops in 2020 so I have a loooooong time to hold out if I need to.  Hell, by then they will be off on a new jag, Windows 8 long forgotten.

John W. Colby 

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