[AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase

Charlotte Foust charlotte.foust at gmail.com
Wed Feb 26 23:38:09 CST 2014


I didn't get exactly what you meant by taskbar, John. I was thinking of the
quick launch bar.  I don't like the start menu add-ins because they disable
some of the functionality of Win 8.x.  I tried them and decided to adapt
instead.  The 8.1 "start menu" is improved from the right click menu
available in 8.0, but I don't mind jumping back to the modern view to start
an Office application that's going to run in desktop anyhow.

I have a control panel shortcut on my desktop, along with a few other
icons.

Charlotte


On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 11:22 AM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> To be honest Charlotte, I don't understand.  I played and worked and
> played and worked and never found a (native) start menu and task bar.  I
> did download third party "kinda sorta" start menu / task bars but they did
> not contain the functionality of the Windows start menu and task bar. And
> every time I did "expected to work" things I would get rudely pushed back
> into the "modern" display.  Maybe had I been able to just permanently
> disable that "modern" display things would have been better, but alas.
>
> I don't (or rarely) use the Windows 7 desktop.  To me it looks strikingly
> like the Metro thing, a ton of icons (at least they are separated)  which
> is just confusing.  My son's desktop is FILLED with stuff and I get
> overwhelmed looking at it.  Likewise I get overwhelmed looking at Metro.
>  Psychologists have figured out that different people had different
> learning styles.  Some can learn from visual stuff, others learn best from
> audio stuff others learn best from ...  Windows impressed me as "Everybody
> has to use this one style because we say so".  I tried for two months.
>  I've come from "Boot zapple basic from a cassette" through CPM., DOS,
> through all the versions of Windows.  I am not a technophobe. Windows 8 was
> a jarring, frustrating and damned irritating experience.
>
> So in the end, I guess I just never stumbled across whatever I had to
> stumble across to get back to a real Windows 7 like experience.  And you
> can believe me I googled till my eyes were blue trying to get back my
> Windows 7 experience.  I kinda sorta, 1/2 the time, made it look something
> like (not really) Windows 7. Never enough to be able to just get on and get
> my work done.  I ended up using my 4 year old Dell laptop when I had to
> work, and my brand new 10 times as powerful (and pretty expensive) laptop
> as a glorified tablet.
>
> Another part of my issue I think is that I just have no interest in
> "Social", nor do I need or want a weather app sitting in my face constantly
> updating.  If you don't use Facebook, or twitter or any of the rest of that
> stuff, then...
>
> I will say that my daughter LOVED it though.  She is intellectually
> disabled but she knows her touch screen.
>
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
>
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 2/25/2014 1:49 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>
>> I don't understand the problem, John.  I love Windows 8.  I rarely use the
>> "modern" screen because all my work is on the desktop, but I have some
>> charms there for the desktop programs I use the most.  Why kvetch about
>> the
>> modern screen when all you need do it switch to the desktop?  There
>> certainly is a taskbar there.
>>
>> Charlotte
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 9:23 AM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  I bought an HP Envy 17" at Sams a few months ago.  It came with Windows
>>> 8.
>>>   Ugh.  I tried to like it.  Then I tried to endure it.  I tried to
>>> modify
>>> it to get back Windows 7 like functionality.  I found myself not using
>>> the
>>> laptop for actual work, though it was OK (barely) for games and internet
>>> stuff.  I was pissed that I had spent a fair chunk of change on a very
>>> powerful, very nice laptop that I hated.
>>>
>>> Funny stuff here...
>>>
>>> http://www.loopinsight.com/2013/01/04/windows-8-review-the-thing-blows/
>>>
>>> And it pretty much mirrors my experience.  Even after working with it
>>> every day for a month I still had issues with things like drag and drop.
>>>   How can you drag and drop files between two windows when... you can
>>> only
>>> have ONE WINDOW?  And why should I be "allowed" two windows, but one of
>>> them has to be this scrunched up little slice docked to the left side
>>> while
>>> the other gets the rest of the screen?  I have a 23" monitor, PLENTY of
>>> room for many different windows when I need them.  But no, I am not
>>> "allowed" that.
>>>
>>> And why can't I minimize open programs to my task bar and click on them
>>> to
>>> reopen.  Oh yea, I remember now, there IS NO TASK BAR. What???  And when
>>> I
>>> want to see the wireless strength I can just look at the wireless icon
>>> down
>>> in the taskbar... oh yea I forgot, THERE IS NO TASKBAR.  In Windows 7 I
>>> use
>>> a handful of programs 99% of the time.  I pin them to the taskbar.  They
>>> stack.  If I am remoted in to 5 different machines (yes, I do that every
>>> day) then I hover over the taskbar and up pops a list of the open remote
>>> desktop sessions.  How do I accomplish that with Windows 8?
>>>
>>> How do you hover with a touch screen to begin with?  And why am I
>>> searching for third party apps to get back functionality that I need and
>>> was FORBIDDEN to have with Windows 8?  Is Microsoft my mom, telling me
>>> that
>>> I HAVE to do it this way?  Even my mom no longer tells me what to do.
>>>
>>> I did discover that all of the old Windows applications look like they
>>> always did, can be windowed, and have the minimize and close button.  But
>>> of course all of the "Windows 8 native" apps don't and don't and don't.
>>>
>>> And why do I have to rearrange a HUGE screen of HUGE blocks of pictures
>>> which pretty much have nothing to do with what they represent to get the
>>> ones I use most all on the screen at the same time.  Menus exist because
>>> they logically group operations.  In Windows 7 If I need an Office app I
>>> can go find all of the Microsoft office programs by finding the menu for
>>> that.  Yes, you have to hunt and figure that out but once you do the menu
>>> allows you to see groups of programs (or operations).  The "start" screen
>>> just has a bajillion HUGE blocks scrolling off to the right forever, mere
>>> and more as you add things to your computer.  Wow.  Try cut and paste
>>> between two apps.
>>>
>>> In the end, I discovered that I use my laptop for real work and Windows 8
>>> makes real work hard.  Even when you know how to use it, it is still
>>> hard.
>>>   I often use a tablet for the internet and "social" stuff, but even
>>> that is
>>> not as easy to accomplish (I.e. that is also "real work" as on a Windows
>>> 7
>>> computer.  If I want to sit in my car or in my easy chair I will use my
>>> tablet but if I have serious research, opening a couple of instances of
>>> Chrome, with tabs, dragging tabs down to create new instances to research
>>> something... I go to my computer.  My Windows 7 computer.
>>>
>>> I finally just broke down and bought Windows 7 pro and installed it.  It
>>> was a MAJOR PITA to find all of the drivers for the chipset, touch screen
>>> etc.  But I ended up with a fully functioning Windows 7.  Given that all
>>> laptops come with 5400 rpm drives, and I was going to replace mine, I
>>> decided to buy a Samsung EVO 500 gb drive. WHOA!!! Smokin'  The
>>> difference
>>> in everything I do is flat out incredible.
>>>
>>> The Windows experience is 7.8-7.9 in everything except the graphics which
>>> is a 6.7 due to Intel's sucky graphics chips.  Oh to have a quad core I7
>>> and AMD's graphics.  Oh well.
>>>
>>> I now LOVE my laptop.
>>>
>>> My son has a Windows XP system, very old.  He downloads a ton of crap and
>>> managed to get it so infected that I had major problems getting it
>>> sanitized.  So I am building a new system.   Given that XP loses the last
>>> vestiges of support in two months I decided to use Windows 7 for that as
>>> well.  Which leaves me in a quandary.  Do I buy a handful of copies for
>>> future proofing?  Windows 7 sales (from third parties like new egg) will
>>> go
>>> away in about 6 months.
>>>
>>> On a final note to Metro bashing... Has anyone been to MSNBC lately?
>>>  OMG.
>>>   I no longer use that as my goto news source since I cannot find
>>> anything
>>> without paging down through page after page of pictures about crap I am
>>> not
>>> interested in.  Someone bought into Metro big time.
>>>
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>>> John W. Colby
>>>
>>> Windows 8 is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
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