[AccessD] ElasticSearch my hind leg...

Bill Benson bensonforums at gmail.com
Mon Mar 10 00:09:20 CDT 2014


That 20K in Google stock would have bought you the Arabian Peninsula.

Just saying....

Seriously John there ain't a soul on this forum who doesn't give you all
the credit in the world.

Except.... nope, not gonna go there.

B
On Mar 10, 2014 1:04 AM, "John W Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> >>"I was able to get (7) 200gb SSDs and form the raid array..."
> OMG...every home should have one. ;-)
>
> LOL, this is a business not a home.
>
> >>It indexes everything and it is quick; according to the webinar, one TB
> can be indexed in about 90 seconds. The application can group millions of
> rows of data in milliseconds.
>
> And read the fine print.  NOBODY does those kinds of numbers without
> enormous cloud compute (and enormous budgets).
>
> Give me some credit please for what I have managed to do for a virtual
> company of about 7 people, with a total hardware budget of around $20K over
> 9 years.  I started with NO hardware and had never even seen SQL Server,
> and I hand built (eventually) a dual processor 16 core machine with 96 gigs
> of RAM, 9 TB of main (rotating) storage (RAID 6), a TB of SSD storage (Raid
> 5) to handle SQL Server, and a second server with 6 cores and 32 GB of RAM
> and 6 VMs running third party software, CAS and NCOA processing 500 million
> addresses every month AND handling the actual orders for the client as
> well.  AND I designed and executed a very complex system in C# automating
> that SQL Server to push those 500 MILLION records to CSV files every month
> (that's 1000 CSV files BTW), pushing those files out to Accuzip on the
> virtual machines, babysitting Accuzip (third party software written in
> Visual Foxpro), and merging the 1000 result files back in to SQL Server.
>
> With the exception of a student (2 year graduate) C# programmer (I met
> when I took my C# classes) helping me, I did this all BY MY SELF.
>
> It is more than slightly annoying to have folks say "go look at xyz".
>  Buddy I looked at a TON of stuff trying to get something that I could
> build and handle BY MY SELF, starting in 2004 when NONE of this hi-falutin
> crap you mention was even a gleam in it's daddy's eye.
>
> I hope you got the BY MY SELF reference.  This is NOT IBM or Google or
> Facebook with a 50 million dollar data center and a team of programmers.
>  This is Colby Consulting with John W. Colby doing the whole damned thing.
>  When I say EVERYTHING I mean researching and ordering hardware from
> Newegg, joining the Microsoft program to get my hands on the software,
> BUILDING the hardware (and maintaining it, and upgrading it), installing
> all of the Windows 2003, then 2008 and SQL Server 2000 / 2005 / 2008
> software, researching the Accuzip solution for CAS / NCOA, buying it and
> learning how it worked and how to automate it, designing the methodology
> for getting these big tables (text files) into databases in SQL Server,
> designing the C# application and writing same (with my assistant) over 18
> months, all while actually performing work on those same SQL Server
> databases providing counts and fulfilling orders for my client.
>
> You are clueless what it took to get where I am today and what it would
> take to throw all this away just to use some other data store.  The data
> store is 1/4 of the business that I manage. Maybe only 1/10th.  I look back
> on the last nine years and wonder how I managed to get all that crap done.
>
> So no, it seems unlikely I am going to do that ElasticSearch thing.  Not
> that it isn't fascinating and all, but being a one man show I have to pick
> my battles and that isn't something I need.
>
> Only $500 per year to monitor your first 5 nodes
> $3,000 per year for each 5 node cluster thereafter
>
> To get the numbers you mention I probably only need a thousand nodes.  Uh
> yea... Or rather no...
>
> John W. Colby
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 3/9/2014 8:18 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>
>> Hi John:
>>
>> "I was able to get (7) 200gb SSDs and form the raid array..." OMG...every
>> home should have one. ;-)
>>
>> I know we have gone through this discussion before but given the amount
>> of data you are working with and the complexity of the searches required, I
>> would be so bold as to suggest that you at least look at the following
>> technology from ElastciStretch:
>>
>> http://www.elasticsearch.org ...and... http://www.elasticsearch.org/
>> resources < check out the webinar...
>>
>> The system in a nutshell is text based. The number of rows (document) is
>> dependant on the hardware and can handle thirty-thousand plus columns. It
>> indexes everything and it is quick; according to the webinar, one TB can be
>> indexed in about 90 seconds. The application can group millions of rows of
>> data in milliseconds. The data can be limited to a single directory, a HD,
>> a computer or a whole cluster.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
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