[AccessD] To the Cloud or Not to the Cloud. that is the Question

Bill Benson bensonforums at gmail.com
Thu Mar 27 17:21:14 CDT 2014


Errr "Brad"... sorry.

Half my acquaintances call me Ben at one time or other, so I have felt your
frustration I am sure.
On Mar 27, 2014 6:17 PM, "Bill Benson" <bensonforums at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have no experience with the cloud and perhaps in less open minded
> circles this negates the value of my opinion. But never this group, for
> which I am grateful. I would weigh the possibility of a web service outage
> which you are unlikely to have any control over, against the very much more
> expensive redundant hardware bases you will have to cover to even touch the
> reliability of the web.
>
> The option to have the data available and accessible where and when you
> need it seems to be a no - brainer in favor of a web platform from a
> reliable cloud operation. And unless you are running heaps of insertions
> with huge datasets, I have little doubt you will be that unhappy with the
> performance. This is, if you are satisfied with MS as a development
> platform.
>
> I do have to ask, have you looked into portability / migration if the tool
> proves unsatisfactory in the long term? Can you ask MS for a data pump
> version of your database or would you just have to turn it off and walk
> away, subject to a few exports of tables, but leave all your development
> behind? (Not that things would be all that different necessarily with an
> Oracle or SQL Server application either but I do think with those you can
> export the schema, no?)
>
> I am sure if you don't get your feet wet trying a web service database it
> will be a mark against you career wise so why not use the current need to
> be able to say been there done that on someone else's dime. It comes well
> supported and at least fairly well recommended, do you have that much to
> lose?
>
> I wish the future was nit web development because I am so uninitiated in
> it, wish I had an employer asking me to test out the platform Mark, I would
> say go for it.
> On Mar 27, 2014 5:54 PM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
>> Hi Brad
>>
>> Your observation is correct. The Azure setup and the speed at which it
>> evolves is impressive and proves to me the old saying "don't ever
>> underestimate Microsoft".
>> Because Microsoft didn't invent this, the "cloud". Amazon did that. But
>> having seen the light, there's no doubt that massive resources have been
>> allocated this infrastructure and the support it needs beyond establishing
>> the large and reliable data centers: Easy administration targeted admins at
>> enterprises, scalability not possible with in-house hardware, programming
>> interfaces, and - perhaps the most important part - the integration to ...
>> well, everything you can think of.
>>
>> One of our clients has asked for a customized document store and flow
>> control. Problem is that this is a TV production company were all except
>> accounting use Macs, and the network setup is handled by various Mac
>> "techies" (you guessed it, it's a mess) so setting up a server in this
>> environment is perhaps not then at least the last option.
>>
>> So, seriously, I consider storing all data at Azure. JC is right, that
>> internet connection reliabilty and speed is a valid concern, but clients
>> like these have fiber connections at 100+ Mb/s. It will work. Deciding to
>> do so will, first, take very little to create the development environment
>> and, second, deployment will be close to just "flip a switch". Add to this
>> the establishing cost of zero money and ongoing costs that without in-house
>> techies are impossible to match.
>>
>> Still, I believe, we will arrange for an off-line backup of all data -
>> just in case.
>>
>> /gustav
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <
>> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> på vegne af Brad Marks <
>> BradM at blackforestltd.com>
>> Sendt: 27. marts 2014 21:37
>> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Emne: [AccessD] To the Cloud or Not to the Cloud. that is the Question
>>
>> All,
>>
>> A few days ago, I posted a question regarding a new database that will
>> be needed for a new small application (perhaps using Access 2007, MySQL,
>> or Microsoft SQL Server).  I received a number of replies to my question
>> and I appreciate the insights that were shared.
>>
>> In the mean time, I have also been doing some R&D work with Microsoft
>> Azure SQL Database.
>> So far, I have been impressed.
>>
>> Yesterday in less than one hour, I was able accomplish the following -
>> Set up a new Microsoft Azure Account
>> Set up a new SQL Database
>> Then with a small Access 2007 application using ODBC and Pass-through
>> Queries I was able to
>> Add a new table to the new test database
>> Insert rows into the new table
>> Retrieve this data.
>>
>>
>> My background is in mainframe databases (Primarily IBM's DB2 and
>> Cincom's Supra).  I can remember how much work it was to accomplish
>> these same simple steps with these databases.  Sometimes we would spend
>> days, just wrestling with DB2's security.
>>
>> It is my understanding that other Access users are using Azure with some
>> success.  It also sounds like the costs for our use of Azure will be
>> very small ($5.00 - $10.00 per month).
>>
>>
>> At this point in time, it seems like this is a good option for our
>> little project. (We don't have Microsoft SQL Server installed
>> "in-house").
>>
>> I am curious if others have looked closely at Azure and decided to not
>> go down this path.  Perhaps there are downsides that I have not yet read
>> about. Perhaps I am missing some important considerations.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Brad
>>
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