From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Nov  1 06:35:49 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2014 11:35:49 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10...
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Hi Shamil

I installed the build 9860. No OneGet. Neither in the Store.

/gustav

________________________________________
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Sendt: 7. oktober 2014 10:15
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10...

Hi Shamil

OK, a bit like true Windows Store app.

It may be included with an update. I'll pay attention.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sendt: 7. oktober 2014 00:01
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10...

 Hi Gustav --

AFAIU OneGet should be integrated (installed by default) in the release version of MS Windows 10.

Using OneGet you can setup an MS Windows software package by using one command line - and all the dependent software will be "automagically" discovered and installed.
Also using OneGet and PowerShell it will be possible to develop MS Windows target configurations setup automation scripts...

...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

Sun, 5 Oct 2014 11:16:37 +0000 from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>Hi Shamil
>
>Yes.
>No.
>
>From your links it doesn't look like a Windows native option, rather a Codeplex project.
>
>It's new to me. Have you some thoughts regarding its usage?
>
>/gustav
>________________________________________
>Fra:  accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <
>accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>< mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>Sendt: 5. oktober 2014 08:18
>Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Emne: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10...
>
>?Hi Gustav --
>
>Have you installed it?
>Does it have OneGet?


From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Nov  1 07:00:59 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2014 12:00:59 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10...
In-Reply-To: <1412509504208.21069@cactus.dk>
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	<CAH+Met-xL8gC7bnX7J5iR0rsoc8-bSZnvrOquWk_+62PDTuz+w@mail.gmail.com>,
	<1412509504208.21069@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1414843259202.25539@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte et al

Right you are. 
I was checking out the recent build 9860 (comes as an automatic update) and still felt something was wrong.
Finally, I located the setting to use the start screen in favour of the new wimpy start menu. 

What a relief. I can't recommend too much to get rid of the start menu. It's a blurp of the past. At worst, it will act as a lock-in of users who don't know better.

Also, I can recommend to go to System Properties, Advanced, Performance and unmark at least the first of these:

    Animate windows when minimizing and maximizing
    Show shadows under windows 
    Use drop shadows for icon labels on the desktop

This way you get a slicker and faster desktop experience.

/gustav

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Sendt: 4. oktober 2014 17:36
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10...

I installed it, but honestly I hate the new start menu.  It has to have
charms to accommodate Touch but it's awfully cluttered and poorly
organized. You can resize the charms but not replace them with a list.  You
can uninstall apps from the start menu, which is handy for things like Xbox
and Sports.  Of course all that may change by release.  Overall, I like
most of it (except for the ugly start menu).  You still have the
right-click menu on the Windows logo, so I tend to use that.  And of course
applications now install an icon on your desktop by default, even the touch
versions.  I put it on a 6-year old laptop with 4 GB RAM and a 300 Gb hard
drive, and it's working fine.  Installing it as an upgrade from Win 8.1 was
a no brainer.  I didn't have to touch the machine until I logged in again.
It kept all my settings and drivers,  but I didn't actually have any apps
except dropbox installed, so I can't say how other programs might have been
affected by an upgrade.

I don't have it on a touch-screen box, so I can't test that, and apps do
behave differently on a touch platform.  It feels a lot faster than Win 8.1
with the default boot to the desktop happening right away.  Haven't tested
it yet using the start screen, but we'll see.  Overall, I'm having a
positive reaction to it.

Charlotte

On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 8:55 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi all
>
> It's now on-line:
>
> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/preview
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
> Sendt: 1. oktober 2014 09:20
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10...
>
> Hi Darryl
>
> Don't forget that this really isn't much more/other than a new Windows 8.1
> skin for the wimps.
>
> That said, I look forward to the desktop switching option.
> So, certainly, this is marked as a must-do task for the weekend. I
> couldn't do otherwise as I've run Windows 8 from the very first developer
> preview (with the outstanding desktop betta fish).
>
> I'm impressed that MS has been able to hold the 10 tight while everyone
> was talking about 9. What a surprise - and that is, of course, the
> intention behind. It worked. Kudos to marketing dept.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Darryl Collins
> Sendt: 1. oktober 2014 00:52
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: [AccessD] OT: Windows 10...
>
> Worth a read.  Looks better than 8.1 :)
>
> <<
> http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2014/09/30/announcing-windows-10/
> >>
>
>
> Cheers
> Darryl


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Nov  1 09:43:09 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2014 10:43:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10...
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I haven't downloaded Win10 yet. Is it worth investigating. At the moment,
Win 8.1 seems fine. Is there a reason I should go beyond? Mind you, on my
other box I run Ubuntu and upgrade it every time they release one.
?
A.

From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk  Sat Nov  1 09:57:20 2014
From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2014 14:57:20 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Attachment field types in query
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	<BB1D526CF97F4D42AACC52EB2FED7AF2@XPS>,
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAO8VDlNCBfdEkctCy61lm0HCgAAAEAAAAKAbzTLCPPlDmz8O3I/QdzwBAAAAAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>
	<5454075D.20106.89A1F4BD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
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Stuart,

Thanks.

JimB

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 10:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Attachment field types in query

No, the "attachment" field is actually three hidden fields: 1. the file  itself(
word doc, jpg 
image, pdf file etc). 2. The file name, 3. The file extension.

When you "open an attachment", Access extracts the BLOB to a file stored in your
IE cache 
folder (Something like C:\Users\Stuart\Appdata\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Temorary
Internet 
Files/ACCxxxxx\myfile.jpg) and then opens it with the default program configured
on your PC 
for that type of file.   

So you just need any software that can handle files of the specific type.  If
you don't have a 
default for the extension, you just get the standard  "WIndows can't open this
file.... What do 
you want to do...."  dialog.

The file and folder are deleted once you close the application viewing the
attachment - unless 
you save the file within the application, in which case the folder and file
remain.

Note that even if you have Explorer set to show Hidden and System files, you
can't see the 
folder ACCxxxx in Explorer. You can however get to it by  typing in the full
path.   So unless 
you know exactly where it is  - you will have great difficulty  finding it
again.   Like I've said 
before - it's messy.


 -- 
Stuart

On 31 Oct 2014 at 18:45, James Button wrote:

> Jim, et al.
> 
> Not using BLOBS in Access, would I be correct in thinking that the
> association is held within Access, so accessing the BLOB using a
> client PC may encounter problems if the client PC does not have the
> same software available as the base environment that was used to put
> the BLOB into the Access environment?
> 
> And - if the software is updated to a new version would that also
> cause problems?
> 
> JimB 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 6:02 PM To: 'Access Developers
> discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Attachment
> field types in query
> 
> 
>  There is no comparable data type in SQL server (or anywhere else). 
>  Same is
> true for MVF (Multi-Value Fields).   Hyperlinks can be converted over,
> but the loose all their "magic" as well.
> 
>  In the case of the attachment type, you need unpack everything out of
>  the
> DB into external files.  If you did that setup in the first place,
> there would be no changes to upsize.
> 
> Jim.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
> Harkins Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 11:03 AM To: Access Developers
> discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Attachment
> field types in query
> 
> How so?
> 
>  Becomes a real chore when you want to move the data anywhere
> > else (like SQL Server).
> >
> > Jim.
> >
> >
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Nov  1 10:08:57 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2014 15:08:57 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10...
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	<CAH+Met-xL8gC7bnX7J5iR0rsoc8-bSZnvrOquWk_+62PDTuz+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<1412509504208.21069@cactus.dk> <1414843259202.25539@cactus.dk>,
	<CAEPJO1iOPxGWjsHH5Ua6KhTnJA2B=825FF+RQ2h-XhASyuaycg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1414854537097.3986@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

It depends. Biggest feature for a desktop user with a normal non-touch screen is that store apps (RT apps) now are resizable.
Many details have been more Metro/Modernized but Win8.1 is still great and not at all left behind.

/gustav

________________________________________
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Sendt: 1. november 2014 15:43
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10...

I haven't downloaded Win10 yet. Is it worth investigating. At the moment,
Win 8.1 seems fine. Is there a reason I should go beyond? Mind you, on my
other box I run Ubuntu and upgrade it every time they release one.
?
A.


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sat Nov  1 11:59:20 2014
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2014 19:59:20 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Windows_10=2E=2E=2E?=
In-Reply-To: <1414841749252.99618@cactus.dk>
References: <b91e41e45cab44739771b57539d3104e@AMSPR06MB357.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<1414841749252.99618@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1414861160.340406863@f322.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Gustav --

Thank you for your note. Let's hope OneGet will be added to the Win10 RC.

-- Shamil


Sat, 1 Nov 2014 11:35:49 +0000 from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>Hi Shamil
>
>I installed the build 9860. No OneGet. Neither in the Store.
>
>/gustav
>
>________________________________________
>Fra:  accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com < accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > p? vegne af Gustav Brock < gustav at cactus.dk >
>Sendt: 7. oktober 2014 10:15
>Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Emne: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10...
>
>Hi Shamil
>
>OK, a bit like true Windows Store app.
>
>It may be included with an update. I'll pay attention.
>
>/gustav
>
>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>Fra:  accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>Sendt: 7. oktober 2014 00:01
>Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Emne: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10...
>
>?Hi Gustav --
>
>AFAIU OneGet should be integrated (installed by default) in the release version of MS Windows 10.
>
>Using OneGet you can setup an MS Windows software package by using one command line - and all the dependent software will be "automagically" discovered and installed.
>Also using OneGet and PowerShell it will be possible to develop MS Windows target configurations setup automation scripts...
>
>...
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- Shamil
>
>Sun, 5 Oct 2014 11:16:37 +0000 from Gustav Brock < gustav at cactus.dk >:
>>Hi Shamil
>>
>>Yes.
>>No.
>>
>>From your links it doesn't look like a Windows native option, rather a Codeplex project.
>>
>>It's new to me. Have you some thoughts regarding its usage?
>>
>>/gustav
>>________________________________________
>>Fra:  accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <
>> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>><  mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>>Sendt: 5. oktober 2014 08:18
>>Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Emne: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10...
>>
>>?Hi Gustav --
>>
>>Have you installed it?
>>Does it have OneGet?
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Nov  1 13:11:41 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2014 12:11:41 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10...
In-Reply-To: <1414841749252.99618@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <966483623.33704355.1414865501096.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Guys:

You guys could always install it?

http://www.howtogeek.com/200334/windows-10-includes-a-linux-style-package-manager-named-oneget

https://github.com/oneget/oneget 

...and download the ZIP: https://github.com/OneGet/oneget/archive/master.zip

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2014 4:35:49 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10...

Hi Shamil

I installed the build 9860. No OneGet. Neither in the Store.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>
Sendt: 7. oktober 2014 10:15
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10...

Hi Shamil

OK, a bit like true Windows Store app.

It may be included with an update. I'll pay attention.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sendt: 7. oktober 2014 00:01
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10...

 Hi Gustav --

AFAIU OneGet should be integrated (installed by default) in the release version of MS Windows 10.

Using OneGet you can setup an MS Windows software package by using one command line - and all the dependent software will be "automagically" discovered and installed.
Also using OneGet and PowerShell it will be possible to develop MS Windows target configurations setup automation scripts...

...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

Sun, 5 Oct 2014 11:16:37 +0000 from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>Hi Shamil
>
>Yes.
>No.
>
>From your links it doesn't look like a Windows native option, rather a Codeplex project.
>
>It's new to me. Have you some thoughts regarding its usage?
>
>/gustav
>________________________________________
>Fra:  accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <
>accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>< mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>Sendt: 5. oktober 2014 08:18
>Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Emne: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10...
>
>?Hi Gustav --
>
>Have you installed it?
>Does it have OneGet?

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Nov  1 17:26:08 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2014 22:26:08 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10...
In-Reply-To: <966483623.33704355.1414865501096.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <1414841749252.99618@cactus.dk>,
	<966483623.33704355.1414865501096.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <1414880767861.79533@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

OK, thanks, I didn't realize it was a PowerShell option. 
However, it seems tightly Integrated with "nuget" as it doesn't function without that as the provider:

<ps>
Windows PowerShell
Copyright (C) 2014 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

PS C:\Users\gustav.CACTUS> get-command -Module OneGet

CommandType     Name                                               Version    Source
-----------     ----                                               -------    ------
Cmdlet          Find-Package                                       1.0.0.0    OneGet
Cmdlet          Get-Package                                        1.0.0.0    OneGet
Cmdlet          Get-PackageProvider                                1.0.0.0    OneGet
Cmdlet          Get-PackageSource                                  1.0.0.0    OneGet
Cmdlet          Install-Package                                    1.0.0.0    OneGet
Cmdlet          Register-PackageSource                             1.0.0.0    OneGet
Cmdlet          Save-Package                                       1.0.0.0    OneGet
Cmdlet          Set-PackageSource                                  1.0.0.0    OneGet
Cmdlet          Uninstall-Package                                  1.0.0.0    OneGet
Cmdlet          Unregister-PackageSource                           1.0.0.0    OneGet


PS C:\Users\gustav.CACTUS> Get-PackageSource

Name                             ProviderName     IsTrusted  IsRegistered IsValidated  Location
----                             ------------     ---------  ------------ -----------  --------
PSGallery                        PSModule         False      True         False        https://msconfiggallery.cloud...
MSPSGallery                      PSModule         True       True         False        http://www.microsoft.com/


PS C:\Users\gustav.CACTUS> Find-package -Name zoomit -AllVersions

The provider 'nuget v2.8.3.3' is not installed.
'nuget' may be manually downloaded from 'https://oneget.org/nuget-anycpu-2.8.3.3.exe' and copied to
'C:\Users\gustav.CACTUS\AppData\Local\OneGet\ProviderAssemblies'.
Would you like OneGet to automatically download and install 'nuget' now?
[Y] Yes  [N] No  [S] Suspend  [?] Help (default is "Y"): N
WARNING: Unable to find package provider 'NuGet'.
Find-package : The specified OneGet provider 'NuGet' is not available.
At line:1 char:1
+ Find-package -Name zoomit -AllVersions
+ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    + CategoryInfo          : NotSpecified: (Microsoft.Power...ets.FindPackage:FindPackage) [Find-Package], Exception
    + FullyQualifiedErrorId : Microsoft.PowerShell.Commands.WriteErrorException,Find-Package,Microsoft.PowerShell.OneG
   et.CmdLets.FindPackage

PS C:\Users\gustav.CACTUS> Get-Package
WARNING: The package provider 'PSModule' did not return any packages.
PS C:\Users\gustav.CACTUS>
</ps>

/gustav

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Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>
Sendt: 1. november 2014 19:11
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10...

Hi Guys:

You guys could always install it?

http://www.howtogeek.com/200334/windows-10-includes-a-linux-style-package-manager-named-oneget

https://github.com/oneget/oneget

...and download the ZIP: https://github.com/OneGet/oneget/archive/master.zip

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2014 4:35:49 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10...

Hi Shamil

I installed the build 9860. No OneGet. Neither in the Store.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>
Sendt: 7. oktober 2014 10:15
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10...

Hi Shamil

OK, a bit like true Windows Store app.

It may be included with an update. I'll pay attention.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sendt: 7. oktober 2014 00:01
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10...

 Hi Gustav --

AFAIU OneGet should be integrated (installed by default) in the release version of MS Windows 10.

Using OneGet you can setup an MS Windows software package by using one command line - and all the dependent software will be "automagically" discovered and installed.
Also using OneGet and PowerShell it will be possible to develop MS Windows target configurations setup automation scripts...

...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

Sun, 5 Oct 2014 11:16:37 +0000 from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>Hi Shamil
>
>Yes.
>No.
>
>From your links it doesn't look like a Windows native option, rather a Codeplex project.
>
>It's new to me. Have you some thoughts regarding its usage?
>
>/gustav
>________________________________________
>Fra:  accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <
>accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>< mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>Sendt: 5. oktober 2014 08:18
>Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Emne: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10...
>
>?Hi Gustav --
>
>Have you installed it?
>Does it have OneGet?

From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Nov  2 10:10:23 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 16:10:23 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] International Data Request
In-Reply-To: <419E47CB020000120002CDA2@cactus.dk>
References: <419E47CB020000120002CDA2@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1414944623397.32444@cactus.dk>

Hi all

This source for all kinds of international postal codes and country information has been redesigned:

   GRC Global Sourcebook for International Data Management

   http://www.grcdi.nl/gsb/global%20sourcebook.html

The guy behind is still Graham Rind.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: Gustav Brock
Sendt: 18. maj 2002 19:54
Til: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Emne: Re: [AccessD] International Data Request

Hi Arthur

A lot of information may be ready on hand at Graham Rhind's site which
addresses many addressing issues:

    http://www.grcdi.nl

The site is ugly but is loaded with information and links and he does a
great job trying to keep it up to date (if in doubt, this is a major
task).

/gustav


> One of the best things about this list is its worldwide scope. With that in
> mind, I would like to request some data from around the world. Specifically,
> I am after Cities and Regions. I want to plug said data into a database
> which so far consists of the ISO list of countries, plus Canada's provinces,
> the USA's states and approximately 5000 cities.


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 11:24:18 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 12:24:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] International Data Request
In-Reply-To: <1414944623397.32444@cactus.dk>
References: <419E47CB020000120002CDA2@cactus.dk>
	<1414944623397.32444@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iAbq+9GUXwhHkhgMpD4bm+Kq5Y7_Ou19Ui_wQLE_=p_g@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Gustav,

That's going on my Favorites  for sure.

Arthur
?

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Nov  4 13:16:14 2014
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 11:16:14 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Automate PDF
Message-ID: <19386CC31B9E4E1EA7EB8EEFF851AE78@HAL9007>

Dear List:
 
Is there a way to fill in the blanks in a PDF form?  I have a client who has
a government form that they fill by hand and it takes a huge amount of time
and is, of course, somewhat error prone. .  But most of the data is in the
database I wrote for them.  Is there a way to push that data into a pdf
form.  BTW this is still a 2003 app.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

From RRANTHON at sentara.com  Tue Nov  4 13:22:03 2014
From: RRANTHON at sentara.com (RANDALL R ANTHONY)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 19:22:03 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Automate PDF
In-Reply-To: <19386CC31B9E4E1EA7EB8EEFF851AE78@HAL9007>
References: <19386CC31B9E4E1EA7EB8EEFF851AE78@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <E735A4A486B97B468F2A0A507B26CBB001D87370@EXCMBS013.corp.ad.sentara.com>

Rocky,
Shooting from the hip here.  Output the data to a word doc then export the word doc to .pdf.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 2:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Automate PDF

Dear List:
 
Is there a way to fill in the blanks in a PDF form?  I have a client who has a government form that they fill by hand and it takes a huge amount of time and is, of course, somewhat error prone. .  But most of the data is in the database I wrote for them.  Is there a way to push that data into a pdf form.  BTW this is still a 2003 app.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 13:23:50 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 14:23:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Automate PDF
In-Reply-To: <19386CC31B9E4E1EA7EB8EEFF851AE78@HAL9007>
References: <19386CC31B9E4E1EA7EB8EEFF851AE78@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+cirnd77B5YN1zD4tj3MMbksVCd12Be+nhm8A+4wpFJvQ@mail.gmail.com>

Does the client have the reader or the full-powered suite? You could export
the information to a delimited text file, if they know how to get a pdf to
import it.

Susan H.

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Dear List:
>
> Is there a way to fill in the blanks in a PDF form?  I have a client who
> has
> a government form that they fill by hand and it takes a huge amount of time
> and is, of course, somewhat error prone. .  But most of the data is in the
> database I wrote for them.  Is there a way to push that data into a pdf
> form.  BTW this is still a 2003 app.
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/>
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
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From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Nov  4 14:04:59 2014
From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 20:04:59 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Automate PDF
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+cirnd77B5YN1zD4tj3MMbksVCd12Be+nhm8A+4wpFJvQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <19386CC31B9E4E1EA7EB8EEFF851AE78@HAL9007>
	<CA++Sg+cirnd77B5YN1zD4tj3MMbksVCd12Be+nhm8A+4wpFJvQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAO8VDlNCBfdEkctCy61lm0HCgAAAEAAAAJHFtcuBsLpDgcKRGN1sBKgBAAAAAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>

Or - the crude old fashioned way
Print the PDF and then overprint that output with the data appropriately spaced
- 
As in mailmerge into a .doc that is mostly newlines, tabs and spaces 

JimB

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 7:24 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automate PDF

Does the client have the reader or the full-powered suite? You could export
the information to a delimited text file, if they know how to get a pdf to
import it.

Susan H.

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Dear List:
>
> Is there a way to fill in the blanks in a PDF form?  I have a client who
> has
> a government form that they fill by hand and it takes a huge amount of time
> and is, of course, somewhat error prone. .  But most of the data is in the
> database I wrote for them.  Is there a way to push that data into a pdf
> form.  BTW this is still a 2003 app.
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/>
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Nov  4 14:39:19 2014
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 12:39:19 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Automate PDF
In-Reply-To: <E735A4A486B97B468F2A0A507B26CBB001D87370@EXCMBS013.corp.ad.sentara.com>
References: <19386CC31B9E4E1EA7EB8EEFF851AE78@HAL9007>
	<E735A4A486B97B468F2A0A507B26CBB001D87370@EXCMBS013.corp.ad.sentara.com>
Message-ID: <E0CBCD92F5DC4A7985A2F7B3F264106E@HAL9007>

Problem is that the pdf cannot be created from Access or Word - it's a
government pdf form which can be filled out interactively on the desktop
machine.  They want to push the data from their database onto it.

R


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of RANDALL R ANTHONY
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 11:22 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automate PDF

Rocky,
Shooting from the hip here.  Output the data to a word doc then export the
word doc to .pdf.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 2:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Automate PDF

Dear List:
 
Is there a way to fill in the blanks in a PDF form?  I have a client who has
a government form that they fill by hand and it takes a huge amount of time
and is, of course, somewhat error prone. .  But most of the data is in the
database I wrote for them.  Is there a way to push that data into a pdf
form.  BTW this is still a 2003 app.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Nov  4 14:39:48 2014
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 12:39:48 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Automate PDF
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+cirnd77B5YN1zD4tj3MMbksVCd12Be+nhm8A+4wpFJvQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <19386CC31B9E4E1EA7EB8EEFF851AE78@HAL9007>
	<CA++Sg+cirnd77B5YN1zD4tj3MMbksVCd12Be+nhm8A+4wpFJvQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1A45BF4CCDD344F1AA050996F3F897A3@HAL9007>

That's a possibility.  I'll ask.  Ty

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 11:24 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automate PDF

Does the client have the reader or the full-powered suite? You could export
the information to a delimited text file, if they know how to get a pdf to
import it.

Susan H.

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Dear List:
>
> Is there a way to fill in the blanks in a PDF form?  I have a client 
> who has a government form that they fill by hand and it takes a huge 
> amount of time and is, of course, somewhat error prone. .  But most of 
> the data is in the database I wrote for them.  Is there a way to push 
> that data into a pdf form.  BTW this is still a 2003 app.
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com 
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Nov  4 14:42:03 2014
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 12:42:03 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Automate PDF
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAO8VDlNCBfdEkctCy61lm0HCgAAAEAAAAJHFtcuBsLpDgcKRGN1sBKgBAAAAAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <19386CC31B9E4E1EA7EB8EEFF851AE78@HAL9007><CA++Sg+cirnd77B5YN1zD4tj3MMbksVCd12Be+nhm8A+4wpFJvQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAO8VDlNCBfdEkctCy61lm0HCgAAAEAAAAJHFtcuBsLpDgcKRGN1sBKgBAAAAAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <E38ECD1A620D411EAC27F5B429F9B7BD@HAL9007>

Just to make it more complicated, I think they need the electronic form of
the pdf to send back to the government agency in question.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 12:05 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automate PDF

Or - the crude old fashioned way
Print the PDF and then overprint that output with the data appropriately
spaced
-
As in mailmerge into a .doc that is mostly newlines, tabs and spaces 

JimB

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 7:24 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automate PDF

Does the client have the reader or the full-powered suite? You could export
the information to a delimited text file, if they know how to get a pdf to
import it.

Susan H.

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Dear List:
>
> Is there a way to fill in the blanks in a PDF form?  I have a client 
> who has a government form that they fill by hand and it takes a huge 
> amount of time and is, of course, somewhat error prone. .  But most of 
> the data is in the database I wrote for them.  Is there a way to push 
> that data into a pdf form.  BTW this is still a 2003 app.
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com 
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Tue Nov  4 15:12:33 2014
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 13:12:33 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Automate PDF
In-Reply-To: <BXHr1p01B0xgD8Z01XHt4u>
References: <BXHr1p01B0xgD8Z01XHt4u>
Message-ID: <00c301cff874$0d1f3ec0$275dbc40$@cox.net>

Hi Rocky,

I believe Leo's presentation for our Access idol series might do what you're
looking for. Take a look at
http://accessmvp.com/theDBguy/demos/fillablepdf.html

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 11:16 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Automate PDF

Dear List:
 
Is there a way to fill in the blanks in a PDF form?  I have a client who has
a government form that they fill by hand and it takes a huge amount of time
and is, of course, somewhat error prone. .  But most of the data is in the
database I wrote for them.  Is there a way to push that data into a pdf
form.  BTW this is still a 2003 app.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Nov  4 15:23:39 2014
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 13:23:39 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Automate PDF
In-Reply-To: <00c301cff874$0d1f3ec0$275dbc40$@cox.net>
References: <BXHr1p01B0xgD8Z01XHt4u> <00c301cff874$0d1f3ec0$275dbc40$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <15719B1556A3488CB227AABE5010DB2E@HAL9007>

Thank you Doug.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 1:13 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automate PDF

Hi Rocky,

I believe Leo's presentation for our Access idol series might do what you're
looking for. Take a look at
http://accessmvp.com/theDBguy/demos/fillablepdf.html

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 11:16 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Automate PDF

Dear List:
 
Is there a way to fill in the blanks in a PDF form?  I have a client who has
a government form that they fill by hand and it takes a huge amount of time
and is, of course, somewhat error prone. .  But most of the data is in the
database I wrote for them.  Is there a way to push that data into a pdf
form.  BTW this is still a 2003 app.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From Accesspro at cox.net  Tue Nov  4 17:22:19 2014
From: Accesspro at cox.net (B Heygood)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 15:22:19 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Automate PDF
In-Reply-To: <19386CC31B9E4E1EA7EB8EEFF851AE78@HAL9007>
References: <19386CC31B9E4E1EA7EB8EEFF851AE78@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <026e01cff886$2de17490$89a45db0$@cox.net>

Rock,
I did this for a client who needed to fill out some pdf forms for the USPS:

Scan pdf form 
Insert above file into an Access report.
Monkey around till you locate text boxes containing the data you need on to
the report.
Send to pdf if necessary.


Bob Heygood


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 11:16 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Automate PDF

Dear List:
 
Is there a way to fill in the blanks in a PDF form?  I have a client who has
a government form that they fill by hand and it takes a huge amount of time
and is, of course, somewhat error prone. .  But most of the data is in the
database I wrote for them.  Is there a way to push that data into a pdf
form.  BTW this is still a 2003 app.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Nov  4 18:56:41 2014
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 16:56:41 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Automate PDF
In-Reply-To: <026e01cff886$2de17490$89a45db0$@cox.net>
References: <19386CC31B9E4E1EA7EB8EEFF851AE78@HAL9007>
	<026e01cff886$2de17490$89a45db0$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <9698759C5F7348168449E89C81A31E55@HAL9007>

Bob:

Thanks - will forward to client to see if this will work for him.

R 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of B Heygood
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 3:22 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automate PDF

Rock,
I did this for a client who needed to fill out some pdf forms for the USPS:

Scan pdf form
Insert above file into an Access report.
Monkey around till you locate text boxes containing the data you need on to
the report.
Send to pdf if necessary.


Bob Heygood


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 11:16 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Automate PDF

Dear List:
 
Is there a way to fill in the blanks in a PDF form?  I have a client who has
a government form that they fill by hand and it takes a huge amount of time
and is, of course, somewhat error prone. .  But most of the data is in the
database I wrote for them.  Is there a way to push that data into a pdf
form.  BTW this is still a 2003 app.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Nov  4 20:20:35 2014
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2014 21:20:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Automate PDF
In-Reply-To: <E38ECD1A620D411EAC27F5B429F9B7BD@HAL9007>
References: <19386CC31B9E4E1EA7EB8EEFF851AE78@HAL9007><CA++Sg+cirnd77B5YN1zD4tj3MMbksVCd12Be+nhm8A+4wpFJvQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Rockie - I am working on a similar project with a government form.....over
200 fields !!
It's really pretty simple, but there is one "kicker".
The workstation that generates the data on the form must have Acrobat
Professional installed.
The Reader won't do.
Once that happens, it's so simple:
1) Make a reference to the Acrobat type library (.tlb)
2) You instantiate a new PDDoc and open it in VBA (see the documentation at
Adobe.com and the great user forums there)
3) You reference a method called getNthfieldName to iterate thru all of the
form field names.
Now you know all of the field references.
4) You develop an XREF table between the table column names and the form
field names.
5) You assign each column to a form field.
6) oPDFdoc.getField("thisfield").Value = oRST.Fields("this table
column").Value
Implement the above with the XREF table.
Another trick: make the column names of the source query or table the same
as the PDF field names....then you don't need the XREF table. Now it's
really simple !!!


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 3:42 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automate PDF
>
> Just to make it more complicated, I think they need the electronic form
> of
> the pdf to send back to the government agency in question.
>
> R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 12:05 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automate PDF
>
> Or - the crude old fashioned way
> Print the PDF and then overprint that output with the data
> appropriately
> spaced
> -
> As in mailmerge into a .doc that is mostly newlines, tabs and spaces
>
> JimB
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
> Harkins
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 7:24 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automate PDF
>
> Does the client have the reader or the full-powered suite? You could
> export
> the information to a delimited text file, if they know how to get a pdf
> to
> import it.
>
> Susan H.
>
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Dear List:
> >
> > Is there a way to fill in the blanks in a PDF form?  I have a client
> > who has a government form that they fill by hand and it takes a huge
> > amount of time and is, of course, somewhat error prone. .  But most
> of
> > the data is in the database I wrote for them.  Is there a way to push
> > that data into a pdf form.  BTW this is still a 2003 app.
> >
> > MTIA
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> > 858-259-4334
> > www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
> > <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> > Skype: rocky.smolin
> >
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Nov  4 23:01:12 2014
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 21:01:12 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Automate PDF
In-Reply-To: <001f01cff89f$15ddf530$4199df90$@net>
References: <19386CC31B9E4E1EA7EB8EEFF851AE78@HAL9007><CA++Sg+cirnd77B5YN1zD4tj3MMbksVCd12Be+nhm8A+4wpFJvQ@mail.gmail.com><!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAO8VDlNCBfdEkctCy61lm0HCgAAAEAAAAJHFtcuBsLpDgcKRGN1sBKgBAAAAAA==@blueyonder.co.uk><E38ECD1A620D411EAC27F5B429F9B7BD@HAL9007>
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I LIKE IT!  

Maybe client will to?

I'll report back.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 6:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automate PDF

Rockie - I am working on a similar project with a government form.....over
200 fields !!
It's really pretty simple, but there is one "kicker".
The workstation that generates the data on the form must have Acrobat
Professional installed.
The Reader won't do.
Once that happens, it's so simple:
1) Make a reference to the Acrobat type library (.tlb)
2) You instantiate a new PDDoc and open it in VBA (see the documentation at
Adobe.com and the great user forums there)
3) You reference a method called getNthfieldName to iterate thru all of the
form field names.
Now you know all of the field references.
4) You develop an XREF table between the table column names and the form
field names.
5) You assign each column to a form field.
6) oPDFdoc.getField("thisfield").Value = oRST.Fields("this table
column").Value Implement the above with the XREF table.
Another trick: make the column names of the source query or table the same
as the PDF field names....then you don't need the XREF table. Now it's
really simple !!!


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd- 
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 3:42 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automate PDF
>
> Just to make it more complicated, I think they need the electronic 
> form of the pdf to send back to the government agency in question.
>
> R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James 
> Button
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 12:05 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automate PDF
>
> Or - the crude old fashioned way
> Print the PDF and then overprint that output with the data 
> appropriately spaced
> -
> As in mailmerge into a .doc that is mostly newlines, tabs and spaces
>
> JimB
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan 
> Harkins
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 7:24 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automate PDF
>
> Does the client have the reader or the full-powered suite? You could 
> export the information to a delimited text file, if they know how to 
> get a pdf to import it.
>
> Susan H.
>
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Dear List:
> >
> > Is there a way to fill in the blanks in a PDF form?  I have a client 
> > who has a government form that they fill by hand and it takes a huge 
> > amount of time and is, of course, somewhat error prone. .  But most
> of
> > the data is in the database I wrote for them.  Is there a way to 
> > push that data into a pdf form.  BTW this is still a 2003 app.
> >
> > MTIA
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> > 858-259-4334
> > www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com 
> > <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> > Skype: rocky.smolin
> >
> > --
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> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 10:00:56 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 11:00:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Split form wizard
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+frU+xBOD=7kcfcumDANAzx7rSdsTz7N5-A4pexjjOW-A@mail.gmail.com>

In 2003, you could base a form on a query with related tables in a
one-to-many relationship and one of the form wizards would help you create
a main/subform form. I can't find it in 2007 -- is it gone?

Susan H.

From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 11:23:00 2014
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 09:23:00 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Field Type
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWYy4qXBn0JUikTqHJviN12bZAcdgXt6sbyq2xVviVvx_A@mail.gmail.com>

In Access (2003), How can I get the Field Type, for a given Table Def Field
Type integer?

I used the following code to populate a table with field names and types
for given tables:

    Set db = OpenDatabase(Path & mdbName)
    Set td = db.TableDefs(TableName)
'****************************************
    For Each fld In td.Fields
        strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFieldsInISRRE (FieldName, FieldType,
FieldSize, JunctFKID) VALUES ('" & fld.Name & "', '" & fld.Type & "', " &
fld.Size & ", " & JunctPKID & ")"
        DoCmd.SetWarnings False
            DoCmd.RunSQL (strSQL)
        DoCmd.SetWarnings (True)
    Next

Now when I query the table, I get everything that I need except the field
type (Number, text...)

Instead I get 10,12,15,20,3,4,5,8 (and that is sorted ascending?!?!?)

Is there a sys table that I can join to, or make my own?

Thanks,
D

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Nov  5 11:26:24 2014
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 09:26:24 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Field Type
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWYy4qXBn0JUikTqHJviN12bZAcdgXt6sbyq2xVviVvx_A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMhYZWYy4qXBn0JUikTqHJviN12bZAcdgXt6sbyq2xVviVvx_A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F8DC2B370A8C443A900D2F2A1F70BB9F@HAL9007>

Is this what you're looking for?

http://allenbrowne.com/ser-49.html

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 9:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Field Type

In Access (2003), How can I get the Field Type, for a given Table Def Field
Type integer?

I used the following code to populate a table with field names and types for
given tables:

    Set db = OpenDatabase(Path & mdbName)
    Set td = db.TableDefs(TableName)
'****************************************
    For Each fld In td.Fields
        strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFieldsInISRRE (FieldName, FieldType,
FieldSize, JunctFKID) VALUES ('" & fld.Name & "', '" & fld.Type & "', " &
fld.Size & ", " & JunctPKID & ")"
        DoCmd.SetWarnings False
            DoCmd.RunSQL (strSQL)
        DoCmd.SetWarnings (True)
    Next

Now when I query the table, I get everything that I need except the field
type (Number, text...)

Instead I get 10,12,15,20,3,4,5,8 (and that is sorted ascending?!?!?)

Is there a sys table that I can join to, or make my own?

Thanks,
D
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 11:36:51 2014
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 09:36:51 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Field Type
In-Reply-To: <F8DC2B370A8C443A900D2F2A1F70BB9F@HAL9007>
References: <CAMhYZWYy4qXBn0JUikTqHJviN12bZAcdgXt6sbyq2xVviVvx_A@mail.gmail.com>
	<F8DC2B370A8C443A900D2F2A1F70BB9F@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWZRkEDjsCAwAWoTGYuFH9YGVtn-M2+_Nk09hHVgck6BNw@mail.gmail.com>

That'll Work.

I'll just make a table from that chart and join to it, for the field type
descriptions.

Thanks Rocky,
D

On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Is this what you're looking for?
>
> http://allenbrowne.com/ser-49.html
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 9:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Field Type
>
> In Access (2003), How can I get the Field Type, for a given Table Def Field
> Type integer?
>
> I used the following code to populate a table with field names and types
> for
> given tables:
>
>     Set db = OpenDatabase(Path & mdbName)
>     Set td = db.TableDefs(TableName)
> '****************************************
>     For Each fld In td.Fields
>         strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFieldsInISRRE (FieldName, FieldType,
> FieldSize, JunctFKID) VALUES ('" & fld.Name & "', '" & fld.Type & "', " &
> fld.Size & ", " & JunctPKID & ")"
>         DoCmd.SetWarnings False
>             DoCmd.RunSQL (strSQL)
>         DoCmd.SetWarnings (True)
>     Next
>
> Now when I query the table, I get everything that I need except the field
> type (Number, text...)
>
> Instead I get 10,12,15,20,3,4,5,8 (and that is sorted ascending?!?!?)
>
> Is there a sys table that I can join to, or make my own?
>
> Thanks,
> D
>

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Wed Nov  5 14:01:14 2014
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2014 23:01:14 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?b?QXJ0aWNsZTogIkhvdyB0byDigJhIeWJyaWRpemXigJkg?=
 =?utf-8?q?your_MS_Access_Database_In_Office_365_Azure_Database=22?=
Message-ID: <1415217674.935693900@f301.i.mail.ru>

 Hi All --

Does anybody use "hybrid" MS Access FE/SQL Azure BE (Office 365) applications in production?

"How to ?Hybridize? your MS Access Database In Office 365 Azure Database"
http://www.devhut.net/2014/01/13/how-to-hybridize-your-ms-access-database-in-office-365-azure-database/

I have just followed the referred article's instructions using my Office 365 dev account and I have got a sample "hybrid" database up& running.
And MS Access 2013 .accdb bound forms have read-write access to the linked via 'ODBC;DRIVER=SQL Server Native Client 11.0;'? SQL Azure database tables.
I wonder if such .accdb forms can be bound to SQL Azure insert/update/delete stored procedures? ?

FYI: Here is a good set of information on SQL Azure and MS Access:

http://gainingaccess.net/SQLAzure/AccessAndSQLAzureLinks.aspx


Thank you.

-- 
???????????? ??????

From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov  5 15:33:39 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 21:33:39 +0000
Subject: [AccessD]
 =?utf-8?b?QXJ0aWNsZTogIkhvdyB0byDigJhIeWJyaWRpemXigJkg?=
 =?utf-8?q?your_MS_Access_Database_In_Office_365_Azure_Database=22?=
In-Reply-To: <1415217674.935693900@f301.i.mail.ru>
References: <1415217674.935693900@f301.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <1415223218736.58430@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

I haven't done so but it looks interesting as the web based Access apps are so limited. This could be the best of both worlds regarding Access desktop applications.

A simpler option is, of course and also noted in one of the comments to the article, to use a "clean" SQL Server account on Azure. 

By the way, can an existing database from a normal SQL Server be exported to SharePoint for the use as the backend to an Access desktop frontend?

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
Sendt: 5. november 2014 21:01
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: [AccessD] Article: "How to ?Hybridize? your MS Access Database In Office 365 Azure Database"

 Hi All --

Does anybody use "hybrid" MS Access FE/SQL Azure BE (Office 365) applications in production?

"How to ?Hybridize? your MS Access Database In Office 365 Azure Database"
http://www.devhut.net/2014/01/13/how-to-hybridize-your-ms-access-database-in-office-365-azure-database/

I have just followed the referred article's instructions using my Office 365 dev account and I have got a sample "hybrid" database up& running.
And MS Access 2013 .accdb bound forms have read-write access to the linked via 'ODBC;DRIVER=SQL Server Native Client 11.0;'  SQL Azure database tables.
I wonder if such .accdb forms can be bound to SQL Azure insert/update/delete stored procedures?

FYI: Here is a good set of information on SQL Azure and MS Access:

http://gainingaccess.net/SQLAzure/AccessAndSQLAzureLinks.aspx


Thank you.

--
???????????? ??????


From bensonforums at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 16:02:39 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 17:02:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How many redundant relationships?
Message-ID: <005f01cff944$3b0947b0$b11bd710$@gmail.com>

I have a database, I will spare you a lot of the details - I am starting to
create the relationships. So, Company relates to a Phone number table,
relates to a Phone Type Table. Now, lots of scenarios have FKs to the
Company table, some more than one. For example, an order needs to be
shipped, so there is Purchasing Company and a Selling Company, so the
company table is aliased twice and joined to the order table via
FKPurchasingCoID and FKSellingCoID. Now, I have already in another area of
the Relationships area, defined the relationship between Company and Phone
and Phone Type:  so do I have to drag these tables in again as aliases and
create a relationship on their parts to the Company Tbl aliases that I just
related to the Order Table? Or does all the needed referential integrity
(Read:  Cannot have a phone number on a shipping manifest for an order that
will not agree to the phone number where that same company id appears in the
primary relationship of Company and Phone and Phone Type?) I hope I am
making some sense. I suppose I could just go ahead and enter some data and
test it out  :)


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Wed Nov  5 16:55:54 2014
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2014 01:55:54 +0300
Subject: [AccessD]
 =?utf-8?b?QXJ0aWNsZTogIkhvdyB0byDigJhIeWJyaWRpemXigJkg?=
 =?utf-8?q?your_MS_Access_Database_In_Office_365_Azure_Database=22?=
In-Reply-To: <1415223218736.58430@cactus.dk>
References: <1415217674.935693900@f301.i.mail.ru>
	<1415223218736.58430@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1415228154.284439906@f191.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Gustav --

AFAIU Sharepoint uses Azure SQL Databases. Yes, you can migrate normal SQL Server database to Sharepoint (Azure SQL Database) for the use as the backend to an Access desktop frontend. But there are some limitations. Here is a set of links describing migration process(es) and limitations:

Comparison of SQL Server with Azure SQL Database
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/wiki/contents/articles/996.comparison-of-sql-server-with-azure-sql-database.aspx

Migrating Databases to Azure SQL Database
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/azure/ee730904.aspx
How to: Use the SQL Database Migration Wizard
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/azure/jj156144.aspx
Azure SQL Database Transact-SQL Support
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/azure/ee336250.aspx
Azure SQL Database Tools and Utilities Support
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/azure/ee621784.aspx
I have tried to connect to the Azure SQL database from MS SQL Server Management Studio 2012 but I have failed:

"Cannot connect to {SQLAzureServerCode}.database.windows.net
Additional Information:
Cannot open server '{SQLAzureServerCode}' requested by the login. 
Client with IP address 'xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx' is not allowed to access the server.
To enabled access, use the Windows Azure Management portal or
run sp_set_firewall_rule on the master database to create a firewall rule for this IP address or
address range. It may take up to five minutes for this change to take effect.
Login failed for user '{UserName}'. This session has been assigned a tracing ID of '{tracingId}'.
Provide this tracing ID to customer support when you need assistance. (Microsoft SQL Server, Error 40615)"

When I tried to execute?sp_set_firewall_rule I have found that SQL Server 2012 master db doesn't have it - I have to install MS SQL Server 2014 (Express)....

Thank you. -- Shamil

Wed, 5 Nov 2014 21:33:39 +0000 from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>Hi Shamil
>
>I haven't done so but it looks interesting as the web based Access apps are so limited. This could be the best of both worlds regarding Access desktop applications.
>
>A simpler option is, of course and also noted in one of the comments to the article, to use a "clean" SQL Server account on Azure. 
>
>By the way, can an existing database from a normal SQL Server be exported to SharePoint for the use as the backend to an Access desktop frontend?
>
>/gustav
>
>________________________________________
>Fra:  accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com < accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>Sendt: 5. november 2014 21:01
>Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Emne: [AccessD] Article: "How to ?Hybridize? your MS Access Database In Office 365 Azure Database"
>
>?Hi All --
>
>Does anybody use "hybrid" MS Access FE/SQL Azure BE (Office 365) applications in production?
>
>"How to ?Hybridize? your MS Access Database In Office 365 Azure Database"
>http://www.devhut.net/2014/01/13/how-to-hybridize-your-ms-access-database-in-office-365-azure-database/
>
>I have just followed the referred article's instructions using my Office 365 dev account and I have got a sample "hybrid" database up& running.
>And MS Access 2013 .accdb bound forms have read-write access to the linked via 'ODBC;DRIVER=SQL Server Native Client 11.0;'  SQL Azure database tables.
>I wonder if such .accdb forms can be bound to SQL Azure insert/update/delete stored procedures?
>
>FYI: Here is a good set of information on SQL Azure and MS Access:
>
>http://gainingaccess.net/SQLAzure/AccessAndSQLAzureLinks.aspx
>
>
>Thank you.
>
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Wed Nov  5 18:37:30 2014
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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2014 03:37:30 +0300
Subject: [AccessD]
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 Hi Gustav --

I have got connected MS SQL Server 2012 Management Studio to my Azure SQL database (created via Office 365/SharePoint Access Application) without 'crazy message about ?sp_set_firewall_rule...' ?- when connecting database name has to be provided. Now I can see what this Azure SQL is: it has special naming conventions with all objects prefixes with 'Access.' string. It also has special metadata tables, views, stored procedures, UDFs....

Thank you.

-- Shamil

Thu, 06 Nov 2014 01:55:54 +0300 from Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru>:
>Hi Gustav --
>
>AFAIU Sharepoint uses Azure SQL Databases. Yes, you can migrate normal SQL Server database to Sharepoint (Azure SQL Database) for the use as the backend to an Access desktop frontend. But there are some limitations. Here is a set of links describing migration process(es) and limitations:
>
>Comparison of SQL Server with Azure SQL Database
>http://social.technet.microsoft.com/wiki/contents/articles/996.comparison-of-sql-server-with-azure-sql-database.aspx
>
>Migrating Databases to Azure SQL Database
>http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/azure/ee730904.aspx
>How to: Use the SQL Database Migration Wizard
>http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/azure/jj156144.aspx
>Azure SQL Database Transact-SQL Support
>http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/azure/ee336250.aspx
>Azure SQL Database Tools and Utilities Support
>http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/azure/ee621784.aspx
>I have tried to connect to the Azure SQL database from MS SQL Server Management Studio 2012 but I have failed:
>
>"Cannot connect to {SQLAzureServerCode}.database.windows.net
>Additional Information:
>Cannot open server '{SQLAzureServerCode}' requested by the login. 
>Client with IP address 'xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx' is not allowed to access the server.
>To enabled access, use the Windows Azure Management portal or
>run sp_set_firewall_rule on the master database to create a firewall rule for this IP address or
>address range. It may take up to five minutes for this change to take effect.
>Login failed for user '{UserName}'. This session has been assigned a tracing ID of '{tracingId}'.
>Provide this tracing ID to customer support when you need assistance. (Microsoft SQL Server, Error 40615)"
>
>When I tried to execute?sp_set_firewall_rule I have found that SQL Server 2012 master db doesn't have it - I have to install MS SQL Server 2014 (Express)....
>
>Thank you. -- Shamil
>
>Wed, 5 Nov 2014 21:33:39 +0000 from Gustav Brock < gustav at cactus.dk >:
>>Hi Shamil
>>
>>I haven't done so but it looks interesting as the web based Access apps are so limited. This could be the best of both worlds regarding Access desktop applications.
>>
>>A simpler option is, of course and also noted in one of the comments to the article, to use a "clean" SQL Server account on Azure. 
>>
>>By the way, can an existing database from a normal SQL Server be exported to SharePoint for the use as the backend to an Access desktop frontend?
>>
>>/gustav
>>
>>________________________________________
>>Fra:  accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <  accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil <  mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>>Sendt: 5. november 2014 21:01
>>Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Emne: [AccessD] Article: "How to ?Hybridize? your MS Access Database In Office 365 Azure Database"
>>
>>?Hi All --
>>
>>Does anybody use "hybrid" MS Access FE/SQL Azure BE (Office 365) applications in production?
>>
>>"How to ?Hybridize? your MS Access Database In Office 365 Azure Database"
>> http://www.devhut.net/2014/01/13/how-to-hybridize-your-ms-access-database-in-office-365-azure-database/
>>
>>I have just followed the referred article's instructions using my Office 365 dev account and I have got a sample "hybrid" database up& running.
>>And MS Access 2013 .accdb bound forms have read-write access to the linked via 'ODBC;DRIVER=SQL Server Native Client 11.0;'  SQL Azure database tables.
>>I wonder if such .accdb forms can be bound to SQL Azure insert/update/delete stored procedures?
>>
>>FYI: Here is a good set of information on SQL Azure and MS Access:
>>
>> http://gainingaccess.net/SQLAzure/AccessAndSQLAzureLinks.aspx
>>
>>
>>Thank you.
>>
>>--
>>???????????? ??????
>>
>>-- 
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>>Website:  http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov  6 02:30:32 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 08:30:32 +0000
Subject: [AccessD]
 =?utf-8?b?QXJ0aWNsZTogIkhvdyB0byDigJhIeWJyaWRpemXigJkg?=
 =?utf-8?q?your_MS_Access_Database_In_Office_365_Azure_Database=22?=
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Hi Shamil

Thanks for those links. Very useful info.

One interesting point is - as I understand it - that even though a database in Azure SQL Server is quite cheap, it comes included for no additional fee if serving as a backend for Access running under an Office 365 subscription. Further, as MS has announced "unlimited storage" for Office 365 subscriptions you may wonder if that could include databases of unlimited size too - within the limits of SQL Server.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sendt: 6. november 2014 01:38
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Article: "How to ?Hybridize? your MS Access Database In Office 365 Azure Database"

 Hi Gustav --

I have got connected MS SQL Server 2012 Management Studio to my Azure SQL database (created via Office 365/SharePoint Access Application) without 'crazy message about sp_set_firewall_rule...' - when connecting database name has to be provided. Now I can see what this Azure SQL is: it has special naming conventions with all objects prefixes with 'Access.' string. It also has special metadata tables, views, stored procedures, UDFs....

Thank you.

-- Shamil

Thu, 06 Nov 2014 01:55:54 +0300 from Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru>:
>Hi Gustav --
>
>AFAIU Sharepoint uses Azure SQL Databases. Yes, you can migrate normal SQL Server database to Sharepoint (Azure SQL Database) for the use as the backend to an Access desktop frontend. But there are some limitations. Here is a set of links describing migration process(es) and limitations:
>
>Comparison of SQL Server with Azure SQL Database 
>http://social.technet.microsoft.com/wiki/contents/articles/996.comparis
>on-of-sql-server-with-azure-sql-database.aspx
>
>Migrating Databases to Azure SQL Database 
>http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/azure/ee730904.aspx
>How to: Use the SQL Database Migration Wizard 
>http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/azure/jj156144.aspx
>Azure SQL Database Transact-SQL Support 
>http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/azure/ee336250.aspx
>Azure SQL Database Tools and Utilities Support 
>http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/azure/ee621784.aspx
>I have tried to connect to the Azure SQL database from MS SQL Server Management Studio 2012 but I have failed:
>
>"Cannot connect to {SQLAzureServerCode}.database.windows.net
>Additional Information:
>Cannot open server '{SQLAzureServerCode}' requested by the login. 
>Client with IP address 'xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx' is not allowed to access the server.
>To enabled access, use the Windows Azure Management portal or run 
>sp_set_firewall_rule on the master database to create a firewall rule 
>for this IP address or address range. It may take up to five minutes for this change to take effect.
>Login failed for user '{UserName}'. This session has been assigned a tracing ID of '{tracingId}'.
>Provide this tracing ID to customer support when you need assistance. (Microsoft SQL Server, Error 40615)"
>
>When I tried to execute?sp_set_firewall_rule I have found that SQL Server 2012 master db doesn't have it - I have to install MS SQL Server 2014 (Express)....
>
>Thank you. -- Shamil
>
>Wed, 5 Nov 2014 21:33:39 +0000 from Gustav Brock < gustav at cactus.dk >:
>>Hi Shamil
>>
>>I haven't done so but it looks interesting as the web based Access apps are so limited. This could be the best of both worlds regarding Access desktop applications.
>>
>>A simpler option is, of course and also noted in one of the comments to the article, to use a "clean" SQL Server account on Azure. 
>>
>>By the way, can an existing database from a normal SQL Server be exported to SharePoint for the use as the backend to an Access desktop frontend?
>>
>>/gustav
>>
>>________________________________________
>>Fra:  accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <  
>>accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > p? vegne af Salakhetdinov 
>>Shamil <  mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>>Sendt: 5. november 2014 21:01
>>Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Emne: [AccessD] Article: "How to ?Hybridize? your MS Access Database In Office 365 Azure Database"
>>
>>?Hi All --
>>
>>Does anybody use "hybrid" MS Access FE/SQL Azure BE (Office 365) applications in production?
>>
>>"How to ?Hybridize? your MS Access Database In Office 365 Azure Database"
>> 
>>http://www.devhut.net/2014/01/13/how-to-hybridize-your-ms-access-database-in-office-365-azure-database/
>>
>>I have just followed the referred article's instructions using my Office 365 dev account and I have got a sample "hybrid" database up& running.
>>And MS Access 2013 .accdb bound forms have read-write access to the linked via 'ODBC;DRIVER=SQL Server Native Client 11.0;'  SQL Azure database tables.
>>I wonder if such .accdb forms can be bound to SQL Azure insert/update/delete stored procedures?
>>
>>FYI: Here is a good set of information on SQL Azure and MS Access:
>>
>> http://gainingaccess.net/SQLAzure/AccessAndSQLAzureLinks.aspx
>>
>>
>>Thank you.
>>
>>--
>>???????????? ?????? 


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Thu Nov  6 05:49:21 2014
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2014 14:49:21 +0300
Subject: [AccessD]
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 =?utf-8?q?your_MS_Access_Database_In_Office_365_Azure_Database=22?=
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 Hi Gustav --

Yes, it currently happens that Azure SQL Server database for MS Access FE running under Office 365 subscription "comes for no additional fee", and the maximum size of this Azure SQL Server database isn't specified (?).

-- Shamil


Thu, 6 Nov 2014 08:30:32 +0000 from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>Hi Shamil
>
>Thanks for those links. Very useful info.
>
>One interesting point is - as I understand it - that even though a database in Azure SQL Server is quite cheap, it comes included for no additional fee if serving as a backend for Access running under an Office 365 subscription. Further, as MS has announced "unlimited storage" for Office 365 subscriptions you may wonder if that could include databases of unlimited size too - within the limits of SQL Server.
>
>/gustav
>
>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>Fra:  accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>Sendt: 6. november 2014 01:38
>Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Emne: Re: [AccessD] Article: "How to ?Hybridize? your MS Access Database In Office 365 Azure Database"
>
>?Hi Gustav --
>
>I have got connected MS SQL Server 2012 Management Studio to my Azure SQL database (created via Office 365/SharePoint Access Application) without 'crazy message about sp_set_firewall_rule...' - when connecting database name has to be provided. Now I can see what this Azure SQL is: it has special naming conventions with all objects prefixes with 'Access.' string. It also has special metadata tables, views, stored procedures, UDFs....
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- Shamil
>
>Thu, 06 Nov 2014 01:55:54 +0300 from Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru >:
>>Hi Gustav --
>>
>>AFAIU Sharepoint uses Azure SQL Databases. Yes, you can migrate normal SQL Server database to Sharepoint (Azure SQL Database) for the use as the backend to an Access desktop frontend. But there are some limitations. Here is a set of links describing migration process(es) and limitations:
>>
>>Comparison of SQL Server with Azure SQL Database 
>> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/wiki/contents/articles/996.comparis
>>on-of-sql-server-with-azure-sql-database.aspx
>>
>>Migrating Databases to Azure SQL Database 
>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/azure/ee730904.aspx
>>How to: Use the SQL Database Migration Wizard 
>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/azure/jj156144.aspx
>>Azure SQL Database Transact-SQL Support 
>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/azure/ee336250.aspx
>>Azure SQL Database Tools and Utilities Support 
>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/azure/ee621784.aspx
>>I have tried to connect to the Azure SQL database from MS SQL Server Management Studio 2012 but I have failed:
>>
>>"Cannot connect to {SQLAzureServerCode}.database.windows.net
>>Additional Information:
>>Cannot open server '{SQLAzureServerCode}' requested by the login. 
>>Client with IP address 'xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx' is not allowed to access the server.
>>To enabled access, use the Windows Azure Management portal or run 
>>sp_set_firewall_rule on the master database to create a firewall rule 
>>for this IP address or address range. It may take up to five minutes for this change to take effect.
>>Login failed for user '{UserName}'. This session has been assigned a tracing ID of '{tracingId}'.
>>Provide this tracing ID to customer support when you need assistance. (Microsoft SQL Server, Error 40615)"
>>
>>When I tried to execute?sp_set_firewall_rule I have found that SQL Server 2012 master db doesn't have it - I have to install MS SQL Server 2014 (Express)....
>>
>>Thank you. -- Shamil
>>
>>Wed, 5 Nov 2014 21:33:39 +0000 from Gustav Brock <  gustav at cactus.dk >:
>>>Hi Shamil
>>>
>>>I haven't done so but it looks interesting as the web based Access apps are so limited. This could be the best of both worlds regarding Access desktop applications.
>>>
>>>A simpler option is, of course and also noted in one of the comments to the article, to use a "clean" SQL Server account on Azure. 
>>>
>>>By the way, can an existing database from a normal SQL Server be exported to SharePoint for the use as the backend to an Access desktop frontend?
>>>
>>>/gustav
>>>
>>>________________________________________
>>>Fra:  accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com < 
>>> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > p? vegne af Salakhetdinov 
>>>Shamil <  mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>>>Sendt: 5. november 2014 21:01
>>>Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>Emne: [AccessD] Article: "How to ?Hybridize? your MS Access Database In Office 365 Azure Database"
>>>
>>>?Hi All --
>>>
>>>Does anybody use "hybrid" MS Access FE/SQL Azure BE (Office 365) applications in production?
>>>
>>>"How to ?Hybridize? your MS Access Database In Office 365 Azure Database"
>>> 
>>> http://www.devhut.net/2014/01/13/how-to-hybridize-your-ms-access-database-in-office-365-azure-database/
>>>
>>>I have just followed the referred article's instructions using my Office 365 dev account and I have got a sample "hybrid" database up& running.
>>>And MS Access 2013 .accdb bound forms have read-write access to the linked via 'ODBC;DRIVER=SQL Server Native Client 11.0;'  SQL Azure database tables.
>>>I wonder if such .accdb forms can be bound to SQL Azure insert/update/delete stored procedures?
>>>
>>>FYI: Here is a good set of information on SQL Azure and MS Access:
>>>
>>>  http://gainingaccess.net/SQLAzure/AccessAndSQLAzureLinks.aspx
>>>
>>>
>>>Thank you.
>>>
>>>--
>>>???????????? ?????? 
>
>-- 
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>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 06:49:30 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 07:49:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Update primary key problem
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+f_3cP=m-UO9_mcPhYGPyrYK_YVVj0UHxPePrW2CoaDFg@mail.gmail.com>

I'm using a list box in a form's header section to allow users to set the
individual animal for inputting details about existing animals (not a form
for entering new animals). The list box isn't bound.

After selecting the appropriate animal, the main form accept details about
the existing animal. A Save command button and the macro behind it saves
the details, using the animal primary key from the list box as a foreign
key in the details table. That works fine.

I want to retain the value in the animal list box so the user can enter a
second detail record for the same animal -- there can be several "types" of
details.

Using the macro's action, GoToRecord (New), I can quickly reset the detail
controls. However, doing so won't update the detail record's primary key
value though -- the control for that field displays New. If I reselect the
value in the list box, it updates, but I don't want the user to have to
remember to do this.

I'm seriously considering dumping the Save macro so I gain back a little
control over the process. I need to retain the list box value for the next
detail record, and in doing so, reset the individual foreign key. Wondering
about the easiest, most efficient way to do this.

Susan H.

From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov  6 07:02:04 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 13:02:04 +0000
Subject: [AccessD]
 =?utf-8?b?QXJ0aWNsZTogIkhvdyB0byDigJhIeWJyaWRpemXigJkg?=
 =?utf-8?q?your_MS_Access_Database_In_Office_365_Azure_Database=22?=
Message-ID: <45b2e9c625344650b8cd0b850c7ba0db@DB3PR06MB0922.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Shamil

Interesting. I feel a challenge waiting around the corner ...

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sendt: 6. november 2014 12:49
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Article: "How to ?Hybridize? your MS Access Database In Office 365 Azure Database"

 Hi Gustav --

Yes, it currently happens that Azure SQL Server database for MS Access FE running under Office 365 subscription "comes for no additional fee", and the maximum size of this Azure SQL Server database isn't specified (?).

-- Shamil


Thu, 6 Nov 2014 08:30:32 +0000 from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>Hi Shamil
>
>Thanks for those links. Very useful info.
>
>One interesting point is - as I understand it - that even though a database in Azure SQL Server is quite cheap, it comes included for no additional fee if serving as a backend for Access running under an Office 365 subscription. Further, as MS has announced "unlimited storage" for Office 365 subscriptions you may wonder if that could include databases of unlimited size too - within the limits of SQL Server.
>
>/gustav 


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 09:25:40 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 10:25:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Update primary key problem
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+f_3cP=m-UO9_mcPhYGPyrYK_YVVj0UHxPePrW2CoaDFg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+f_3cP=m-UO9_mcPhYGPyrYK_YVVj0UHxPePrW2CoaDFg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hBRDDsVosL9M+WTZ-txXReo-Q1gH79cQ-MFnQZ4A9qnA@mail.gmail.com>

Susan,

There may be other ways, but typically when I need to save a value I write
a static function. Some call them get/set functions, since they can both
set and get the value, and preserve it for as long as the program is
running. If you've never written one, I can provide a template.

Arthur
?

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Thu Nov  6 09:56:06 2014
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2014 18:56:06 +0300
Subject: [AccessD]
 =?utf-8?b?QXJ0aWNsZTogIkhvdyB0byDigJhIeWJyaWRpemXigJkg?=
 =?utf-8?q?your_MS_Access_Database_In_Office_365_Azure_Database=22?=
In-Reply-To: <45b2e9c625344650b8cd0b850c7ba0db@DB3PR06MB0922.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <45b2e9c625344650b8cd0b850c7ba0db@DB3PR06MB0922.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1415289366.419444083@f281.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Gustav --

Well, I'd guess that "unlimited storage" for?Azure SQL Server database for MS Access FE running under Office 365 subscription is 2GB - Azure SQL Basic  Service Tier/Performance Level ?(http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/azure/dn741336.aspx)

Thank you.

-- Shamil

Thu, 6 Nov 2014 13:02:04 +0000 from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>Hi Shamil
>
>Interesting. I feel a challenge waiting around the corner ...
>
>/gustav
>
>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>Fra:  accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>Sendt: 6. november 2014 12:49
>Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Emne: Re: [AccessD] Article: "How to ?Hybridize? your MS Access Database In Office 365 Azure Database"
>
>?Hi Gustav --
>
>Yes, it currently happens that Azure SQL Server database for MS Access FE running under Office 365 subscription "comes for no additional fee", and the maximum size of this Azure SQL Server database isn't specified (?).
>
>-- Shamil
>
>
>Thu, 6 Nov 2014 08:30:32 +0000 from Gustav Brock < gustav at cactus.dk >:
>>Hi Shamil
>>
>>Thanks for those links. Very useful info.
>>
>>One interesting point is - as I understand it - that even though a database in Azure SQL Server is quite cheap, it comes included for no additional fee if serving as a backend for Access running under an Office 365 subscription. Further, as MS has announced "unlimited storage" for Office 365 subscriptions you may wonder if that could include databases of unlimited size too - within the limits of SQL Server.
>>
>>/gustav 
>
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>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>Website:  http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 09:57:35 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 10:57:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Update primary key problem
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hBRDDsVosL9M+WTZ-txXReo-Q1gH79cQ-MFnQZ4A9qnA@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAEPJO1hBRDDsVosL9M+WTZ-txXReo-Q1gH79cQ-MFnQZ4A9qnA@mail.gmail.com>
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I considered that, but I removed the macro and this morning, I'm using a
simple event procedure. The problem I'm having is resetting the combo box.
I know I wrote about this years ago and I know when I remember (or one of
you kind angels takes pity on me) I'm going to remember, but right now...
it's lost to me. :(

I've tried DataItem, ListIndex -- I'm just not hitting it all right and I'm
not finding any help online. I get half answers.

Susan H.

On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Susan,
>
> There may be other ways, but typically when I need to save a value I write
> a static function. Some call them get/set functions, since they can both
> set and get the value, and preserve it for as long as the program is
> running. If you've never written one, I can provide a template.
>
> Arthur
> ?
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov  6 10:24:41 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 16:24:41 +0000
Subject: [AccessD]
 =?utf-8?b?QXJ0aWNsZTogIkhvdyB0byDigJhIeWJyaWRpemXigJkg?=
 =?utf-8?q?your_MS_Access_Database_In_Office_365_Azure_Database=22?=
Message-ID: <3ca5050c19c344f5a0382dc8e027bf4f@DB3PR06MB0922.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Shamil

That could be a good guess, but it would be nice to know for sure.
However, 2 GB will probably fit for 99.5% of this kind of Access apps.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sendt: 6. november 2014 16:56
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Article: "How to ?Hybridize? your MS Access Database In Office 365 Azure Database"

 Hi Gustav --

Well, I'd guess that "unlimited storage" for?Azure SQL Server database for MS Access FE running under Office 365 subscription is 2GB - Azure SQL Basic  Service Tier/Performance Level ?(http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/azure/dn741336.aspx)

Thank you.

-- Shamil

Thu, 6 Nov 2014 13:02:04 +0000 from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>Hi Shamil
>
>Interesting. I feel a challenge waiting around the corner ...
>
>/gustav
>
>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>Fra:  accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>Sendt: 6. november 2014 12:49
>Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Emne: Re: [AccessD] Article: "How to ?Hybridize? your MS Access Database In Office 365 Azure Database"
>
>?Hi Gustav --
>
>Yes, it currently happens that Azure SQL Server database for MS Access FE running under Office 365 subscription "comes for no additional fee", and the maximum size of this Azure SQL Server database isn't specified (?).
>
>-- Shamil
>
>
>Thu, 6 Nov 2014 08:30:32 +0000 from Gustav Brock < gustav at cactus.dk >:
>>Hi Shamil
>>
>>Thanks for those links. Very useful info.
>>
>>One interesting point is - as I understand it - that even though a database in Azure SQL Server is quite cheap, it comes included for no additional fee if serving as a backend for Access running under an Office 365 subscription. Further, as MS has announced "unlimited storage" for Office 365 subscriptions you may wonder if that could include databases of unlimited size too - within the limits of SQL Server.
>>
>>/gustav 
 



From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov  6 10:28:14 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 16:28:14 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Update primary key problem
Message-ID: <27f2947701024d399b1ea7f59c131d39@DB3PR06MB0922.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Susan

Couln't you just set the default value for the animal key whenever the user selects an animal?
This will last as long as the form is open.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Susan Harkins
Sendt: 6. november 2014 13:50
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: [AccessD] Update primary key problem

I'm using a list box in a form's header section to allow users to set the individual animal for inputting details about existing animals (not a form for entering new animals). The list box isn't bound.

After selecting the appropriate animal, the main form accept details about the existing animal. A Save command button and the macro behind it saves the details, using the animal primary key from the list box as a foreign key in the details table. That works fine.

I want to retain the value in the animal list box so the user can enter a second detail record for the same animal -- there can be several "types" of details.

Using the macro's action, GoToRecord (New), I can quickly reset the detail controls. However, doing so won't update the detail record's primary key value though -- the control for that field displays New. If I reselect the value in the list box, it updates, but I don't want the user to have to remember to do this.

I'm seriously considering dumping the Save macro so I gain back a little control over the process. I need to retain the list box value for the next detail record, and in doing so, reset the individual foreign key. Wondering about the easiest, most efficient way to do this.

Susan H. 


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Nov  6 10:38:43 2014
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2014 08:38:43 -0800
Subject: [AccessD]
 =?utf-8?b?QXJ0aWNsZTogIkhvdyB0byDigJhIeWJyaWRpemXigJkg?=
 =?utf-8?q?your_MS_Access_Database_In_Office_365_Azure_Database=22?=
In-Reply-To: <3ca5050c19c344f5a0382dc8e027bf4f@DB3PR06MB0922.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <3ca5050c19c344f5a0382dc8e027bf4f@DB3PR06MB0922.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <3D490D58-1F24-483E-9758-48ECE8676EF0@verizon.net>

The unlimited part applies to one drive and files in general.

Not sure what the limit is from a Fe to Azure direct,  but for an Access web app,  it's only 1gb. I would suspect the same from a Fe directly,  but not positive.

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 6, 2014, at 8:24 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> 
> Hi Shamil
> 
> That could be a good guess, but it would be nice to know for sure.
> However, 2 GB will probably fit for 99.5% of this kind of Access apps.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
> Sendt: 6. november 2014 16:56
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Article: "How to ?Hybridize? your MS Access Database In Office 365 Azure Database"
> 
> Hi Gustav --
> 
> Well, I'd guess that "unlimited storage" for Azure SQL Server database for MS Access FE running under Office 365 subscription is 2GB - Azure SQL Basic  Service Tier/Performance Level  (http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/azure/dn741336.aspx)
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> Thu, 6 Nov 2014 13:02:04 +0000 from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>> Hi Shamil
>> 
>> Interesting. I feel a challenge waiting around the corner ...
>> 
>> /gustav
>> 
>> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>> Fra:  accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>> Sendt: 6. november 2014 12:49
>> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Article: "How to ?Hybridize? your MS Access Database In Office 365 Azure Database"
>> 
>>  Hi Gustav --
>> 
>> Yes, it currently happens that Azure SQL Server database for MS Access FE running under Office 365 subscription "comes for no additional fee", and the maximum size of this Azure SQL Server database isn't specified (?).
>> 
>> -- Shamil
>> 
>> 
>> Thu, 6 Nov 2014 08:30:32 +0000 from Gustav Brock < gustav at cactus.dk >:
>>> Hi Shamil
>>> 
>>> Thanks for those links. Very useful info.
>>> 
>>> One interesting point is - as I understand it - that even though a database in Azure SQL Server is quite cheap, it comes included for no additional fee if serving as a backend for Access running under an Office 365 subscription. Further, as MS has announced "unlimited storage" for Office 365 subscriptions you may wonder if that could include databases of unlimited size too - within the limits of SQL Server.
>>> 
>>> /gustav
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov  6 10:41:02 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 16:41:02 +0000
Subject: [AccessD]
 =?utf-8?b?QXJ0aWNsZTogIkhvdyB0byDigJhIeWJyaWRpemXigJkg?=
 =?utf-8?q?your_MS_Access_Database_In_Office_365_Azure_Database=22?=
Message-ID: <236464d6a10949b9a4e74b5f5a95c986@DB3PR06MB0922.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Jim

That sounds right. 1 GB is fine for many applications.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Dettman
Sendt: 6. november 2014 17:39
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Article: "How to ?Hybridize? your MS Access Database In Office 365 Azure Database"

The unlimited part applies to one drive and files in general.

Not sure what the limit is from a Fe to Azure direct,  but for an Access web app,  it's only 1gb. I would suspect the same from a Fe directly,  but not positive.

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 6, 2014, at 8:24 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> 
> Hi Shamil
> 
> That could be a good guess, but it would be nice to know for sure.
> However, 2 GB will probably fit for 99.5% of this kind of Access apps.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
> Sendt: 6. november 2014 16:56
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Article: "How to ?Hybridize? your MS Access Database In Office 365 Azure Database"
> 
> Hi Gustav --
> 
> Well, I'd guess that "unlimited storage" for Azure SQL Server database for MS Access FE running under Office 365 subscription is 2GB - Azure SQL Basic  Service Tier/Performance Level  (http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/azure/dn741336.aspx)
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> Thu, 6 Nov 2014 13:02:04 +0000 from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>> Hi Shamil
>> 
>> Interesting. I feel a challenge waiting around the corner ...
>> 
>> /gustav
>> 
>> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>> Fra:  accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>> Sendt: 6. november 2014 12:49
>> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Article: "How to ?Hybridize? your MS Access Database In Office 365 Azure Database"
>> 
>>  Hi Gustav --
>> 
>> Yes, it currently happens that Azure SQL Server database for MS Access FE running under Office 365 subscription "comes for no additional fee", and the maximum size of this Azure SQL Server database isn't specified (?).
>> 
>> -- Shamil
>> 
>> 
>> Thu, 6 Nov 2014 08:30:32 +0000 from Gustav Brock < gustav at cactus.dk >:
>>> Hi Shamil
>>> 
>>> Thanks for those links. Very useful info.
>>> 
>>> One interesting point is - as I understand it - that even though a database in Azure SQL Server is quite cheap, it comes included for no additional fee if serving as a backend for Access running under an Office 365 subscription. Further, as MS has announced "unlimited storage" for Office 365 subscriptions you may wonder if that could include databases of unlimited size too - within the limits of SQL Server.
>>> 
>>> /gustav 


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 11:03:17 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 12:03:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Update primary key problem
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+dNB8ovhxPmVM6H5twzSMMwZArNt9Odmi-J5R=_Xss+nQ@mail.gmail.com>

I grovel at your feet. Works perfectly. :) Thank you!

Susan H.

On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Susan
>
> Couln't you just set the default value for the animal key whenever the
> user selects an animal?
> This will last as long as the form is open.
>
> /gustav
>
>

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 12:18:08 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 13:18:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD]
	=?utf-8?b?QXJ0aWNsZTogIkhvdyB0byDigJhIeWJyaWRpemXigJkg?=
	=?utf-8?q?your_MS_Access_Database_In_Office_365_Azure_Database=22?=
In-Reply-To: <236464d6a10949b9a4e74b5f5a95c986@DB3PR06MB0922.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <236464d6a10949b9a4e74b5f5a95c986@DB3PR06MB0922.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hQ2oQkQiAE-ArUr-jWkvB26n3VS6oOaF_pGZY81GX-SA@mail.gmail.com>

I'm frankly a bit stunned by your numbers. Are you talking about the FE or
the BE? Several Access FEs I've written address MS-SQL or MySQL BEs over
50GB in size, running on clusters. In that situation, I bind forms to
stored procedures and find performance acceptable. Mind you, I learned a
significant lesson long ago, which I call the Sally Rand Principle -- named
for a famous American stripper, whose motto was, "Show them just a little
more at a time, to pique their interest." More concrete; I would for
example present a list of sales orders, bound to an SP that selected orders
in the past 30 days, but with buttons on the form's header to switch to
60/90/120 days. All that required was simple code to pass a different
parameter to the SP. Dead simple, really; it gave the users everything they
wanted most of the time, and everything available, in chunks, depending on
the ambition of their question at the moment.

I also learned, relatively early on into these adventures, and decided way
back when to separate reports into a second app that did nothing but
report. And finally, I learned an approach from Jim Dettman that I took
very seriously. Before I met him, I had the bad habit of rolling everything
into a single massive Access app. But Jim presented another approach
completely. and his wisdom inspired me to rethink my whole approach to
Access development. Instead of one massive app that did everything but the
dishes, Jim had about 30 apps that each did exactly one thing, and their
AutoExec code fired a procedure and as soon as it was complete, exited. I
had never even considered that approach before encountering Jim's apps.

The huge gain in Jim's approach is the ability to schedule apps using
Windows Scheduler. Some reports need to run once a day at a particular
time; others are weekly, and others month-end; and a few others quarterly
or annually. The result is that the user sees a lot of shortuts but can
drag them into meaningful groups based on frequency of use and act
accordingly -- or, even better, just schedule these tiny programs and
forget about it.

I thank Jim for that profound insight.

Arthur
?

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Thu Nov  6 15:29:09 2014
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2014 00:29:09 +0300
Subject: [AccessD]
 =?utf-8?b?QXJ0aWNsZTogIkhvdyB0byDigJhIeWJyaWRpemXigJkg?=
 =?utf-8?q?your_MS_Access_Database_In_Office_365_Azure_Database=22?=
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hQ2oQkQiAE-ArUr-jWkvB26n3VS6oOaF_pGZY81GX-SA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <236464d6a10949b9a4e74b5f5a95c986@DB3PR06MB0922.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAEPJO1hQ2oQkQiAE-ArUr-jWkvB26n3VS6oOaF_pGZY81GX-SA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1415309349.552098748@f394.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Arthur --

Azure SQL Database(s) of 'Premium/P3' Service Tier/Performance Layer could be as large as 500 GB each ( http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/azure/dn741336.aspx ). ?

And we're talking here about the max size of the default Azure SQL database instance created for Office 365 MS Access application ( http://www.devhut.net/2014/01/13/how-to-hybridize-your-ms-access-database-in-office-365-azure-database/ ). There is no need to have Azure SQL account to handle this database via MS Access Office 365 application and/or desktop MS Access application linked to that Azure SQL ?database using ODBC DSN connection. And there is no limitation(?) of the quantity of such applications per Office 365 account. ?

If you'll find the default size of Azure SQL Database serving as BE for MS Access Office 365 app isn't large enough you can migrate/upsize it to a full scale Azure SQL Database. But then you'll first have to create an Azure SQL account with 'pay-as-you-go' subscription type.

"Modularized MS Access" apps - yes, we have been using them here since MS Access 97.

Thank you.

-- Shamil

Thu, 6 Nov 2014 13:18:08 -0500 from Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>:
>I'm frankly a bit stunned by your numbers. Are you talking about the FE or
>the BE? Several Access FEs I've written address MS-SQL or MySQL BEs over
>50GB in size, running on clusters. In that situation, I bind forms to
>stored procedures and find performance acceptable. Mind you, I learned a
>significant lesson long ago, which I call the Sally Rand Principle -- named
>for a famous American stripper, whose motto was, "Show them just a little
>more at a time, to pique their interest." More concrete; I would for
>example present a list of sales orders, bound to an SP that selected orders
>in the past 30 days, but with buttons on the form's header to switch to
>60/90/120 days. All that required was simple code to pass a different
>parameter to the SP. Dead simple, really; it gave the users everything they
>wanted most of the time, and everything available, in chunks, depending on
>the ambition of their question at the moment.
>
>I also learned, relatively early on into these adventures, and decided way
>back when to separate reports into a second app that did nothing but
>report. And finally, I learned an approach from Jim Dettman that I took
>very seriously. Before I met him, I had the bad habit of rolling everything
>into a single massive Access app. But Jim presented another approach
>completely. and his wisdom inspired me to rethink my whole approach to
>Access development. Instead of one massive app that did everything but the
>dishes, Jim had about 30 apps that each did exactly one thing, and their
>AutoExec code fired a procedure and as soon as it was complete, exited. I
>had never even considered that approach before encountering Jim's apps.
>
>The huge gain in Jim's approach is the ability to schedule apps using
>Windows Scheduler. Some reports need to run once a day at a particular
>time; others are weekly, and others month-end; and a few others quarterly
>or annually. The result is that the user sees a lot of shortuts but can
>drag them into meaningful groups based on frequency of use and act
>accordingly -- or, even better, just schedule these tiny programs and
>forget about it.
>
>I thank Jim for that profound insight.
>
>Arthur
>?
>-- 
>AccessD mailing list
>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>Website:  http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov  6 15:31:51 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 21:31:51 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Update primary key problem
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+dNB8ovhxPmVM6H5twzSMMwZArNt9Odmi-J5R=_Xss+nQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+dNB8ovhxPmVM6H5twzSMMwZArNt9Odmi-J5R=_Xss+nQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1415309510697.71415@cactus.dk>

Hi Susan

You are excused. To be honest, I first understood the question when I read Arthur's comment.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
Sendt: 6. november 2014 18:03
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Update primary key problem

I grovel at your feet. Works perfectly. :) Thank you!

Susan H.

On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Susan
>
> Couln't you just set the default value for the animal key whenever the
> user selects an animal?
> This will last as long as the form is open.
>
> /gustav

From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov  6 15:40:33 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 21:40:33 +0000
Subject: [AccessD]
 =?windows-1252?q?Article=3A_=22How_to_=91Hybridize=92_y?=
 =?windows-1252?q?our_MS_Access_Database_In_Office_365_Azure_Database=22?=
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hQ2oQkQiAE-ArUr-jWkvB26n3VS6oOaF_pGZY81GX-SA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <236464d6a10949b9a4e74b5f5a95c986@DB3PR06MB0922.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<CAEPJO1hQ2oQkQiAE-ArUr-jWkvB26n3VS6oOaF_pGZY81GX-SA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1415310033018.44485@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

Min you, I wrote "many", not "all". 

We support a project/accounting application (in three modules, by the way, since version 1 in Access 2.0(!)). No client (small businesses) has ever passed the 250 MB mark for mdb file size after more than ten years of service. So for a startup, 1 GB database is enough.
As Shamil mentions, should you grow beyond this, hook up with a separate Azure SQL Server database which you won't outgrow just like that.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
Sendt: 6. november 2014 19:18
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD]     Article: "How to ?Hybridize? your MS Access Database In Office 365 Azure Database"

I'm frankly a bit stunned by your numbers. Are you talking about the FE or
the BE? Several Access FEs I've written address MS-SQL or MySQL BEs over
50GB in size, running on clusters. In that situation, I bind forms to
stored procedures and find performance acceptable. Mind you, I learned a
significant lesson long ago, which I call the Sally Rand Principle -- named
for a famous American stripper, whose motto was, "Show them just a little
more at a time, to pique their interest." More concrete; I would for
example present a list of sales orders, bound to an SP that selected orders
in the past 30 days, but with buttons on the form's header to switch to
60/90/120 days. All that required was simple code to pass a different
parameter to the SP. Dead simple, really; it gave the users everything they
wanted most of the time, and everything available, in chunks, depending on
the ambition of their question at the moment.

I also learned, relatively early on into these adventures, and decided way
back when to separate reports into a second app that did nothing but
report. And finally, I learned an approach from Jim Dettman that I took
very seriously. Before I met him, I had the bad habit of rolling everything
into a single massive Access app. But Jim presented another approach
completely. and his wisdom inspired me to rethink my whole approach to
Access development. Instead of one massive app that did everything but the
dishes, Jim had about 30 apps that each did exactly one thing, and their
AutoExec code fired a procedure and as soon as it was complete, exited. I
had never even considered that approach before encountering Jim's apps.

The huge gain in Jim's approach is the ability to schedule apps using
Windows Scheduler. Some reports need to run once a day at a particular
time; others are weekly, and others month-end; and a few others quarterly
or annually. The result is that the user sees a lot of shortuts but can
drag them into meaningful groups based on frequency of use and act
accordingly -- or, even better, just schedule these tiny programs and
forget about it.

I thank Jim for that profound insight.

Arthur

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 16:45:35 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 17:45:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Update primary key problem
In-Reply-To: <1415309510697.71415@cactus.dk>
References: <CA++Sg+dNB8ovhxPmVM6H5twzSMMwZArNt9Odmi-J5R=_Xss+nQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1415309510697.71415@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+erTTdP3YEHKf988y-S+Q+L_Ayxoziu2uFO3b4xHY8XUA@mail.gmail.com>

You would think, given what I do, that I could express my problems more
eloquently. That's not always the case, unfortunately. :) But, your
solution is working like a charm and I've moved on to the next section.

Susan H.

On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Susan
>
> You are excused. To be honest, I first understood the question when I read
> Arthur's comment.
>
> /gustav
>
> ________________________________________
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Susan Harkins <
> ssharkins at gmail.com>
> Sendt: 6. november 2014 18:03
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Update primary key problem
>
> I grovel at your feet. Works perfectly. :) Thank you!
>
> Susan H.
>
> On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> > Hi Susan
> >
> > Couln't you just set the default value for the animal key whenever the
> > user selects an animal?
> > This will last as long as the form is open.
> >
> > /gustav
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Thu Nov  6 17:43:11 2014
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 17:43:11 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo
Message-ID: <201411062343.sA6NhFi2002249@databaseadvisors.com>

 Hey All

I do not check in much anymore. I am more than glad to hear some of you are
doing well with your projects. ACCESS does its stuff really quite well.
But.................. there is so much to look at now as we age .The old
farts have all become dinosaurs.  Not being negative but with the new Apps
etc. I think we are falling behind. I now go out and search out the rocks in
my backyard and build sculptures with them. The dog and I laugh and lie down
on the Mexican blanket and watch the day go by. All the best to you folks
that are prospering.  Ooooops just found a snail under a rock.

Not giving up but I think it is time...............................

 

Tony Septav

Nanaimo, BC

Canada

 


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Nov  6 18:30:28 2014
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 16:30:28 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo
In-Reply-To: <201411062343.sA6NhFi2002249@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <201411062343.sA6NhFi2002249@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <20B64AF9BC474B819E1AC66757483289@HAL9007>

I'm ridin' it down to the last mdb.  I quit working this year.  So far about
50% successful.  They keep calling me wanting me to do stuff.  Going off to
Singapore on Saturday for a week of work. 

But I'm not complaining.  I can always say no.  

I used to be up to my ears in Access work.  Small ad I the paper and I was
turning people away.  But that was 10-15 years ago.  The amount of work
began slowly decreasing and I saw where it was going - to the web.  If I
didn't want to learn ASP, PHP, C++ and the whole alphabet soup, I would be
left behind.

Well, timing is everything.  I turned 65 last December and, having
successfully had my last commercial product acquired (an Access app), I
could fade slowly into the sunset and not worry about having to reinvent
myself as a web programmer.

For those in their 40s and 50s, though, who have invested a lot in Access,
it's a problem.  I sympathize.

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com
www.e-z-mrp.com
Skype: rocky.smolin
 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 3:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo

 Hey All

I do not check in much anymore. I am more than glad to hear some of you are
doing well with your projects. ACCESS does its stuff really quite well.
But.................. there is so much to look at now as we age .The old
farts have all become dinosaurs.  Not being negative but with the new Apps
etc. I think we are falling behind. I now go out and search out the rocks in
my backyard and build sculptures with them. The dog and I laugh and lie down
on the Mexican blanket and watch the day go by. All the best to you folks
that are prospering.  Ooooops just found a snail under a rock.

Not giving up but I think it is time...............................

 

Tony Septav

Nanaimo, BC

Canada

 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Nov  6 21:30:41 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 20:30:41 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo
In-Reply-To: <201411062343.sA6NhFi2002249@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <293912867.38141169.1415331041243.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Well you might be a dinosaur but you don't have to be an ignorant one. ;-)

The industry is becoming so much larger and no one can be a expert on all things.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Septav" <TSeptav at Uniserve.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 3:43:11 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo

 Hey All

I do not check in much anymore. I am more than glad to hear some of you are
doing well with your projects. ACCESS does its stuff really quite well.
But.................. there is so much to look at now as we age .The old
farts have all become dinosaurs.  Not being negative but with the new Apps
etc. I think we are falling behind. I now go out and search out the rocks in
my backyard and build sculptures with them. The dog and I laugh and lie down
on the Mexican blanket and watch the day go by. All the best to you folks
that are prospering.  Ooooops just found a snail under a rock.

Not giving up but I think it is time...............................

 

Tony Septav

Nanaimo, BC

Canada

 

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From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Fri Nov  7 13:07:02 2014
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 13:07:02 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo
In-Reply-To: <293912867.38141169.1415331041243.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <201411071907.sA7J75bk006100@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey Jim
Does the truth hurt????

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: November-06-14 9:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo

Well you might be a dinosaur but you don't have to be an ignorant one. ;-)

The industry is becoming so much larger and no one can be a expert on all
things.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Septav" <TSeptav at Uniserve.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 3:43:11 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo

 Hey All

I do not check in much anymore. I am more than glad to hear some of you are
doing well with your projects. ACCESS does its stuff really quite well.
But.................. there is so much to look at now as we age .The old
farts have all become dinosaurs.  Not being negative but with the new Apps
etc. I think we are falling behind. I now go out and search out the rocks in
my backyard and build sculptures with them. The dog and I laugh and lie down
on the Mexican blanket and watch the day go by. All the best to you folks
that are prospering.  Ooooops just found a snail under a rock.

Not giving up but I think it is time...............................

 

Tony Septav

Nanaimo, BC

Canada

 

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From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Fri Nov  7 13:35:08 2014
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 13:35:08 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo
In-Reply-To: <293912867.38141169.1415331041243.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <201411071935.sA7JZBLw006146@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey Jim
I might have sounded sarcastic. I truly admire those in the group that are
still producing ACCESS applications. But in my experience clients now want
Web and Apps. ACCESS falls down terribly in this area. Loved it but it has
really died.

Tony Septav 
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: November-06-14 9:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo

Well you might be a dinosaur but you don't have to be an ignorant one. ;-)

The industry is becoming so much larger and no one can be a expert on all
things.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Septav" <TSeptav at Uniserve.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 3:43:11 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo

 Hey All

I do not check in much anymore. I am more than glad to hear some of you are
doing well with your projects. ACCESS does its stuff really quite well.
But.................. there is so much to look at now as we age .The old
farts have all become dinosaurs.  Not being negative but with the new Apps
etc. I think we are falling behind. I now go out and search out the rocks in
my backyard and build sculptures with them. The dog and I laugh and lie down
on the Mexican blanket and watch the day go by. All the best to you folks
that are prospering.  Ooooops just found a snail under a rock.

Not giving up but I think it is time...............................

 

Tony Septav

Nanaimo, BC

Canada

 

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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 14:53:52 2014
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 12:53:52 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo
In-Reply-To: <201411071907.sA7J75bk006100@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <293912867.38141169.1415331041243.JavaMail.root@cds018>
	<201411071907.sA7J75bk006100@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met-zTar8HMzHwvBPnK-7qSWUf-zBOVwfOX7c-r-XgaFvAA@mail.gmail.com>

Actually, Tony, there are clients all over looking for Access developers,
especially in big cities.  There's a niche market I'll ride as long as I
can.  I'm 70, but I can't afford to just retire, so I have to rely on
contracts 3-6 months a year to gap me.

Charlotte

On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:

> Hey Jim
> Does the truth hurt????
>
> Tony Septav
> Nanaimo, BC
> Canada
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: November-06-14 9:31 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo
>
> Well you might be a dinosaur but you don't have to be an ignorant one. ;-)
>
> The industry is becoming so much larger and no one can be a expert on all
> things.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Septav" <TSeptav at Uniserve.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 3:43:11 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo
>
>  Hey All
>
> I do not check in much anymore. I am more than glad to hear some of you are
> doing well with your projects. ACCESS does its stuff really quite well.
> But.................. there is so much to look at now as we age .The old
> farts have all become dinosaurs.  Not being negative but with the new Apps
> etc. I think we are falling behind. I now go out and search out the rocks
> in
> my backyard and build sculptures with them. The dog and I laugh and lie
> down
> on the Mexican blanket and watch the day go by. All the best to you folks
> that are prospering.  Ooooops just found a snail under a rock.
>
> Not giving up but I think it is time...............................
>
>
>
> Tony Septav
>
> Nanaimo, BC
>
> Canada
>
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Nov  7 17:04:42 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 16:04:42 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo
In-Reply-To: <201411071907.sA7J75bk006100@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <1024039972.38899582.1415401482809.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Not at all...just a little stiffness when getting up.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Septav" <TSeptav at Uniserve.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 7, 2014 11:07:02 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo

Hey Jim
Does the truth hurt????

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: November-06-14 9:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo

Well you might be a dinosaur but you don't have to be an ignorant one. ;-)

The industry is becoming so much larger and no one can be a expert on all
things.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Septav" <TSeptav at Uniserve.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 3:43:11 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo

 Hey All

I do not check in much anymore. I am more than glad to hear some of you are
doing well with your projects. ACCESS does its stuff really quite well.
But.................. there is so much to look at now as we age .The old
farts have all become dinosaurs.  Not being negative but with the new Apps
etc. I think we are falling behind. I now go out and search out the rocks in
my backyard and build sculptures with them. The dog and I laugh and lie down
on the Mexican blanket and watch the day go by. All the best to you folks
that are prospering.  Ooooops just found a snail under a rock.

Not giving up but I think it is time...............................

 

Tony Septav

Nanaimo, BC

Canada

 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Nov  7 17:08:50 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 16:08:50 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo
In-Reply-To: <201411071935.sA7JZBLw006146@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <1280295887.38902327.1415401730312.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Tony:

Looking at the new designs by Microsoft and the migration from the desktop to the Cloud, there might be a little more mileage left in Access but it is hard to push away about ten year of neglect and mistrust.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Septav" <TSeptav at Uniserve.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 7, 2014 11:35:08 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo

Hey Jim
I might have sounded sarcastic. I truly admire those in the group that are
still producing ACCESS applications. But in my experience clients now want
Web and Apps. ACCESS falls down terribly in this area. Loved it but it has
really died.

Tony Septav 
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: November-06-14 9:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo

Well you might be a dinosaur but you don't have to be an ignorant one. ;-)

The industry is becoming so much larger and no one can be a expert on all
things.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Septav" <TSeptav at Uniserve.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 3:43:11 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo

 Hey All

I do not check in much anymore. I am more than glad to hear some of you are
doing well with your projects. ACCESS does its stuff really quite well.
But.................. there is so much to look at now as we age .The old
farts have all become dinosaurs.  Not being negative but with the new Apps
etc. I think we are falling behind. I now go out and search out the rocks in
my backyard and build sculptures with them. The dog and I laugh and lie down
on the Mexican blanket and watch the day go by. All the best to you folks
that are prospering.  Ooooops just found a snail under a rock.

Not giving up but I think it is time...............................

 

Tony Septav

Nanaimo, BC

Canada

 

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From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Fri Nov  7 17:45:57 2014
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 17:45:57 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met-zTar8HMzHwvBPnK-7qSWUf-zBOVwfOX7c-r-XgaFvAA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201411072346.sA7Nk0FL006548@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey Charlotte
I am so pleased and happy for you, up here it has just died out terribly.

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: November-07-14 2:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo

Actually, Tony, there are clients all over looking for Access developers,
especially in big cities.  There's a niche market I'll ride as long as I
can.  I'm 70, but I can't afford to just retire, so I have to rely on
contracts 3-6 months a year to gap me.

Charlotte

On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:

> Hey Jim
> Does the truth hurt????
>
> Tony Septav
> Nanaimo, BC
> Canada
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: November-06-14 9:31 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo
>
> Well you might be a dinosaur but you don't have to be an ignorant one. ;-)
>
> The industry is becoming so much larger and no one can be a expert on all
> things.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Septav" <TSeptav at Uniserve.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 3:43:11 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo
>
>  Hey All
>
> I do not check in much anymore. I am more than glad to hear some of you
are
> doing well with your projects. ACCESS does its stuff really quite well.
> But.................. there is so much to look at now as we age .The old
> farts have all become dinosaurs.  Not being negative but with the new Apps
> etc. I think we are falling behind. I now go out and search out the rocks
> in
> my backyard and build sculptures with them. The dog and I laugh and lie
> down
> on the Mexican blanket and watch the day go by. All the best to you folks
> that are prospering.  Ooooops just found a snail under a rock.
>
> Not giving up but I think it is time...............................
>
>
>
> Tony Septav
>
> Nanaimo, BC
>
> Canada
>
>
>
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From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Fri Nov  7 17:47:44 2014
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 17:47:44 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo
In-Reply-To: <1024039972.38899582.1415401482809.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <201411072347.sA7NllfB006560@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey Jim
Not so bad as when you cannot find your glasses and then you go in the
bathroom and find they are on the top of your head.

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: November-07-14 5:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo

Not at all...just a little stiffness when getting up.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Septav" <TSeptav at Uniserve.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 7, 2014 11:07:02 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo

Hey Jim
Does the truth hurt????

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: November-06-14 9:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo

Well you might be a dinosaur but you don't have to be an ignorant one. ;-)

The industry is becoming so much larger and no one can be a expert on all
things.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Septav" <TSeptav at Uniserve.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 3:43:11 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo

 Hey All

I do not check in much anymore. I am more than glad to hear some of you are
doing well with your projects. ACCESS does its stuff really quite well.
But.................. there is so much to look at now as we age .The old
farts have all become dinosaurs.  Not being negative but with the new Apps
etc. I think we are falling behind. I now go out and search out the rocks in
my backyard and build sculptures with them. The dog and I laugh and lie down
on the Mexican blanket and watch the day go by. All the best to you folks
that are prospering.  Ooooops just found a snail under a rock.

Not giving up but I think it is time...............................

 

Tony Septav

Nanaimo, BC

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Nov  7 18:50:28 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 17:50:28 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo
In-Reply-To: <201411072347.sA7NllfB006560@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <682137445.38963645.1415407828863.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hey Tony:

Ha ha ha... General blurriness is my first clue.

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Septav" <TSeptav at Uniserve.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 7, 2014 3:47:44 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo

Hey Jim
Not so bad as when you cannot find your glasses and then you go in the
bathroom and find they are on the top of your head.

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: November-07-14 5:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo

Not at all...just a little stiffness when getting up.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Septav" <TSeptav at Uniserve.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 7, 2014 11:07:02 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo

Hey Jim
Does the truth hurt????

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: November-06-14 9:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo

Well you might be a dinosaur but you don't have to be an ignorant one. ;-)

The industry is becoming so much larger and no one can be a expert on all
things.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 3:43:11 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo

 Hey All

I do not check in much anymore. I am more than glad to hear some of you are
doing well with your projects. ACCESS does its stuff really quite well.
But.................. there is so much to look at now as we age .The old
farts have all become dinosaurs.  Not being negative but with the new Apps
etc. I think we are falling behind. I now go out and search out the rocks in
my backyard and build sculptures with them. The dog and I laugh and lie down
on the Mexican blanket and watch the day go by. All the best to you folks
that are prospering.  Ooooops just found a snail under a rock.

Not giving up but I think it is time...............................

 

Tony Septav

Nanaimo, BC

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From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Sat Nov  8 19:17:57 2014
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2014 19:17:57 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo
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Message-ID: <201411090118.sA91I1kF008833@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey All
What a bunch of old codgers. Can you not take a moment to laugh at
yourselves ??????????? 
I am off looking for Gene Audrey.

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: November-07-14 6:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo

Hey Tony:

Ha ha ha... General blurriness is my first clue.

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Septav" <TSeptav at Uniserve.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 7, 2014 3:47:44 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo

Hey Jim
Not so bad as when you cannot find your glasses and then you go in the
bathroom and find they are on the top of your head.

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: November-07-14 5:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo

Not at all...just a little stiffness when getting up.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Septav" <TSeptav at Uniserve.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 7, 2014 11:07:02 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo

Hey Jim
Does the truth hurt????

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: November-06-14 9:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo

Well you might be a dinosaur but you don't have to be an ignorant one. ;-)

The industry is becoming so much larger and no one can be a expert on all
things.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Septav" <TSeptav at Uniserve.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 3:43:11 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo

 Hey All

I do not check in much anymore. I am more than glad to hear some of you are
doing well with your projects. ACCESS does its stuff really quite well.
But.................. there is so much to look at now as we age .The old
farts have all become dinosaurs.  Not being negative but with the new Apps
etc. I think we are falling behind. I now go out and search out the rocks in
my backyard and build sculptures with them. The dog and I laugh and lie down
on the Mexican blanket and watch the day go by. All the best to you folks
that are prospering.  Ooooops just found a snail under a rock.

Not giving up but I think it is time...............................

 

Tony Septav

Nanaimo, BC

Canada

 

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Nov  8 20:09:18 2014
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2014 12:09:18 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo
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Autry?

Trying to get back in the saddle again?

:)

On 8 Nov 2014 at 19:17, Tony Septav wrote:

> Hey All
> What a bunch of old codgers. Can you not take a moment to laugh at
> yourselves ??????????? I am off looking for Gene Audrey.
> 
> Tony Septav
> Nanaimo, BC
> Canada
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> Lawrence Sent: November-07-14 6:50 PM To: Access Developers discussion
> and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo
> 
> Hey Tony:
> 
> Ha ha ha... General blurriness is my first clue.
> 
> Jim 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Septav" <TSeptav at Uniserve.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 7, 2014 3:47:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo
> 
> Hey Jim
> Not so bad as when you cannot find your glasses and then you go in the
> bathroom and find they are on the top of your head.
> 
> Tony Septav
> Nanaimo, BC
> Canada
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> Lawrence Sent: November-07-14 5:05 PM To: Access Developers discussion
> and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo
> 
> Not at all...just a little stiffness when getting up.
> 
> Jim
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Septav" <TSeptav at Uniserve.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 7, 2014 11:07:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo
> 
> Hey Jim
> Does the truth hurt????
> 
> Tony Septav
> Nanaimo, BC
> Canada
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> Lawrence Sent: November-06-14 9:31 PM To: Access Developers discussion
> and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo
> 
> Well you might be a dinosaur but you don't have to be an ignorant one.
> ;-)
> 
> The industry is becoming so much larger and no one can be a expert on
> all things.
> 
> Jim
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Septav" <TSeptav at Uniserve.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 3:43:11 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo
> 
>  Hey All
> 
> I do not check in much anymore. I am more than glad to hear some of
> you are doing well with your projects. ACCESS does its stuff really
> quite well. But.................. there is so much to look at now as
> we age .The old farts have all become dinosaurs.  Not being negative
> but with the new Apps etc. I think we are falling behind. I now go out
> and search out the rocks in my backyard and build sculptures with
> them. The dog and I laugh and lie down on the Mexican blanket and
> watch the day go by. All the best to you folks that are prospering. 
> Ooooops just found a snail under a rock.
> 
> Not giving up but I think it is time...............................
> 
> 
> 
> Tony Septav
> 
> Nanaimo, BC
> 
> Canada
> 
> 
> 
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From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Sat Nov  8 22:18:04 2014
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2014 22:18:04 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo
In-Reply-To: <545ECCCE.15899.14FD9319@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <201411090418.sA94I73S008998@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey Stuart
If only I could find it.

Tony Septav 
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: November-08-14 8:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo

Autry?

Trying to get back in the saddle again?

:)

On 8 Nov 2014 at 19:17, Tony Septav wrote:

> Hey All
> What a bunch of old codgers. Can you not take a moment to laugh at
> yourselves ??????????? I am off looking for Gene Audrey.
> 
> Tony Septav
> Nanaimo, BC
> Canada
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> Lawrence Sent: November-07-14 6:50 PM To: Access Developers discussion
> and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo
> 
> Hey Tony:
> 
> Ha ha ha... General blurriness is my first clue.
> 
> Jim 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Septav" <TSeptav at Uniserve.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 7, 2014 3:47:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo
> 
> Hey Jim
> Not so bad as when you cannot find your glasses and then you go in the
> bathroom and find they are on the top of your head.
> 
> Tony Septav
> Nanaimo, BC
> Canada
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> Lawrence Sent: November-07-14 5:05 PM To: Access Developers discussion
> and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo
> 
> Not at all...just a little stiffness when getting up.
> 
> Jim
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Septav" <TSeptav at Uniserve.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 7, 2014 11:07:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo
> 
> Hey Jim
> Does the truth hurt????
> 
> Tony Septav
> Nanaimo, BC
> Canada
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> Lawrence Sent: November-06-14 9:31 PM To: Access Developers discussion
> and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo
> 
> Well you might be a dinosaur but you don't have to be an ignorant one.
> ;-)
> 
> The industry is becoming so much larger and no one can be a expert on
> all things.
> 
> Jim
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Septav" <TSeptav at Uniserve.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 3:43:11 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Sweet Hearts of the Rodeo
> 
>  Hey All
> 
> I do not check in much anymore. I am more than glad to hear some of
> you are doing well with your projects. ACCESS does its stuff really
> quite well. But.................. there is so much to look at now as
> we age .The old farts have all become dinosaurs.  Not being negative
> but with the new Apps etc. I think we are falling behind. I now go out
> and search out the rocks in my backyard and build sculptures with
> them. The dog and I laugh and lie down on the Mexican blanket and
> watch the day go by. All the best to you folks that are prospering. 
> Ooooops just found a snail under a rock.
> 
> Not giving up but I think it is time...............................
> 
> 
> 
> Tony Septav
> 
> Nanaimo, BC
> 
> Canada
> 
> 
> 
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Nov  9 11:31:04 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2014 12:31:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Split form wizard
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Susan,

One trick in this regard that I have learned is to define beforehand the
relationships in the Relationships  window. then when create the parent
window, automatically get the subform too. IIRC, there's another way as
well, but I haven't been using Access much in recent months. (I've moved on
to Alpha Anywhere, mostly for its web/mobile abilities.)

Arthur
?

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Nov  9 12:06:32 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2014 13:06:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Split form wizard
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The relationships are there already. I just don't understand why the wizard
isn't generating a split form the way it used to. I'm sure I'm just doing
something wrong. It's been so long and I've forgotten so much!

Susan H.

On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Susan,
>
> One trick in this regard that I have learned is to define beforehand the
> relationships in the Relationships  window. then when create the parent
> window, automatically get the subform too. IIRC, there's another way as
> well, but I haven't been using Access much in recent months. (I've moved on
> to Alpha Anywhere, mostly for its web/mobile abilities.)
>
> Arthur
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From kost36 at otenet.gr  Tue Nov 11 06:46:37 2014
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 14:46:37 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] check boxes control...
Message-ID: <47E261AB8C104C1BB3F735443842481B@kost36>

Hi all,
does anybody know how to change the default control of a check box?
By default msaccess 2010 sets check boxes to the left of its label and 
what I need is to set it the the right...

thank?s
/kostas

From df.waters at outlook.com  Tue Nov 11 07:52:19 2014
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 07:52:19 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] check boxes control...
In-Reply-To: <47E261AB8C104C1BB3F735443842481B@kost36>
References: <47E261AB8C104C1BB3F735443842481B@kost36>
Message-ID: <BLU176-DS357D53F548456FE13CAB1F6810@phx.gbl>

Hi Kostas,

First, click on the label portion.  Then click and hold on the small gray box at the upper left corner of the label - now you can drag the label where you need it to be.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kostas Konstantinidis
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 6:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] check boxes control...

Hi all,
does anybody know how to change the default control of a check box?
By default msaccess 2010 sets check boxes to the left of its label and what I need is to set it the the right...

thank?s
/kostas
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From kost36 at otenet.gr  Tue Nov 11 10:06:17 2014
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 18:06:17 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] check boxes control...
In-Reply-To: <BLU176-DS357D53F548456FE13CAB1F6810@phx.gbl>
References: <47E261AB8C104C1BB3F735443842481B@kost36>
	<BLU176-DS357D53F548456FE13CAB1F6810@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <68A43B89E7694393962E7B502801B69E@kost36>

Hi Don,
thank's for your response
This is a good trick
But while I have forms that can accommodate more than 20 check-boxes each I 
wonder whether there can be a total setting for every new check-box inserted 
into that form

/kostas


-----?????? ??????----- 
From: Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 3:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] check boxes control...

Hi Kostas,

First, click on the label portion.  Then click and hold on the small gray 
box at the upper left corner of the label - now you can drag the label where 
you need it to be.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kostas 
Konstantinidis
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 6:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] check boxes control...

Hi all,
does anybody know how to change the default control of a check box?
By default msaccess 2010 sets check boxes to the left of its label and what 
I need is to set it the the right...

thank?s
/kostas
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From df.waters at outlook.com  Tue Nov 11 10:17:20 2014
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 10:17:20 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] check boxes control...
In-Reply-To: <68A43B89E7694393962E7B502801B69E@kost36>
References: <47E261AB8C104C1BB3F735443842481B@kost36>	<BLU176-DS357D53F548456FE13CAB1F6810@phx.gbl>
	<68A43B89E7694393962E7B502801B69E@kost36>
Message-ID: <BLU176-DS2C459DCF976F0CCF29CF9F6810@phx.gbl>

Hi Kostas,

Not that I know of.

But in a situation like you're in, you can make the first checkbox the way you want, then just copy it 20 times and then change each label's and checkbox's properties.  That's still a lot faster!

Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kostas Konstantinidis
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 10:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] check boxes control...

Hi Don,
thank's for your response
This is a good trick
But while I have forms that can accommodate more than 20 check-boxes each I wonder whether there can be a total setting for every new check-box inserted into that form

/kostas


-----?????? ??????-----
From: Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 3:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] check boxes control...

Hi Kostas,

First, click on the label portion.  Then click and hold on the small gray box at the upper left corner of the label - now you can drag the label where you need it to be.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kostas Konstantinidis
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 6:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] check boxes control...

Hi all,
does anybody know how to change the default control of a check box?
By default msaccess 2010 sets check boxes to the left of its label and what I need is to set it the the right...

thank?s
/kostas
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From kost36 at otenet.gr  Tue Nov 11 10:44:06 2014
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 18:44:06 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] check boxes control...
In-Reply-To: <BLU176-DS2C459DCF976F0CCF29CF9F6810@phx.gbl>
References: <47E261AB8C104C1BB3F735443842481B@kost36>	<BLU176-DS357D53F548456FE13CAB1F6810@phx.gbl><68A43B89E7694393962E7B502801B69E@kost36>
	<BLU176-DS2C459DCF976F0CCF29CF9F6810@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A63FEC9C58EE48DEA1619545723DEBF1@kost36>

That was exactly what I wanted to avoid.
So if there is nothing else to do I say ?? make a fresh coffee and then get 
fire on CTRL+C - CTRL+V :-))

thank's a lot
/kostas

-----?????? ??????----- 
From: Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 6:17 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] check boxes control...

Hi Kostas,

Not that I know of.

But in a situation like you're in, you can make the first checkbox the way 
you want, then just copy it 20 times and then change each label's and 
checkbox's properties.  That's still a lot faster!

Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kostas 
Konstantinidis
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 10:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] check boxes control...

Hi Don,
thank's for your response
This is a good trick
But while I have forms that can accommodate more than 20 check-boxes each I 
wonder whether there can be a total setting for every new check-box inserted 
into that form

/kostas


-----?????? ??????-----
From: Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 3:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] check boxes control...

Hi Kostas,

First, click on the label portion.  Then click and hold on the small gray 
box at the upper left corner of the label - now you can drag the label where 
you need it to be.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kostas 
Konstantinidis
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 6:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] check boxes control...

Hi all,
does anybody know how to change the default control of a check box?
By default msaccess 2010 sets check boxes to the left of its label and what 
I need is to set it the the right...

thank?s
/kostas
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Nov 11 10:47:26 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 16:47:26 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] check boxes control...
Message-ID: <2078b8ec694e4395bc2cd876b56f3ade@AM2PR06MB0913.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Kostas

You should be able to mark alone either all labels or all checkboxes.
The adjust the LeftPosition once.

/gustav

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Sendt: 11. november 2014 17:44
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] check boxes control...

That was exactly what I wanted to avoid.
So if there is nothing else to do I say ?? make a fresh coffee and then get fire on CTRL+C - CTRL+V :-))

thank's a lot
/kostas

-----?????? ??????-----
From: Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 6:17 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] check boxes control...

Hi Kostas,

Not that I know of.

But in a situation like you're in, you can make the first checkbox the way you want, then just copy it 20 times and then change each label's and checkbox's properties.  That's still a lot faster!

Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kostas Konstantinidis
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 10:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] check boxes control...

Hi Don,
thank's for your response
This is a good trick
But while I have forms that can accommodate more than 20 check-boxes each I wonder whether there can be a total setting for every new check-box inserted into that form

/kostas


-----?????? ??????-----
From: Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 3:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] check boxes control...

Hi Kostas,

First, click on the label portion.  Then click and hold on the small gray box at the upper left corner of the label - now you can drag the label where you need it to be.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kostas Konstantinidis
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 6:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] check boxes control...

Hi all,
does anybody know how to change the default control of a check box?
By default msaccess 2010 sets check boxes to the left of its label and what I need is to set it the the right...

thank?s
/kostas 


From df.waters at outlook.com  Tue Nov 11 10:50:10 2014
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 10:50:10 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] check boxes control...
In-Reply-To: <A63FEC9C58EE48DEA1619545723DEBF1@kost36>
References: <47E261AB8C104C1BB3F735443842481B@kost36>	<BLU176-DS357D53F548456FE13CAB1F6810@phx.gbl><68A43B89E7694393962E7B502801B69E@kost36>	<BLU176-DS2C459DCF976F0CCF29CF9F6810@phx.gbl>
	<A63FEC9C58EE48DEA1619545723DEBF1@kost36>
Message-ID: <BLU176-DS1B43C325B7FDA897E7EC0F6810@phx.gbl>

You can copy once and then paste 20 times ... that's better anyway!

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kostas Konstantinidis
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 10:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] check boxes control...

That was exactly what I wanted to avoid.
So if there is nothing else to do I say ?? make a fresh coffee and then get fire on CTRL+C - CTRL+V :-))

thank's a lot
/kostas

-----?????? ??????-----
From: Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 6:17 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] check boxes control...

Hi Kostas,

Not that I know of.

But in a situation like you're in, you can make the first checkbox the way you want, then just copy it 20 times and then change each label's and checkbox's properties.  That's still a lot faster!

Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kostas Konstantinidis
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 10:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] check boxes control...

Hi Don,
thank's for your response
This is a good trick
But while I have forms that can accommodate more than 20 check-boxes each I wonder whether there can be a total setting for every new check-box inserted into that form

/kostas


-----?????? ??????-----
From: Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 3:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] check boxes control...

Hi Kostas,

First, click on the label portion.  Then click and hold on the small gray box at the upper left corner of the label - now you can drag the label where you need it to be.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kostas Konstantinidis
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 6:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] check boxes control...

Hi all,
does anybody know how to change the default control of a check box?
By default msaccess 2010 sets check boxes to the left of its label and what I need is to set it the the right...

thank?s
/kostas
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Nov 11 14:35:40 2014
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 06:35:40 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] check boxes control...
In-Reply-To: <47E261AB8C104C1BB3F735443842481B@kost36>
References: <47E261AB8C104C1BB3F735443842481B@kost36>
Message-ID: <5462731C.11913.233F0E89@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

    Create a New Form.

    Draw the control (text box, combo box, etc.) on the form.

    With the control selected, open the properties group (ALT ENTER) to make changes to the 
items. You can change the font, font color, background color, borders, and many other 
options.

    Once you?ve changed the properties, click the Design tab, expand the Controls group(the 
small button at the bottom right of the Controlsgroup) and click Set Control Defaults. (Make 
sure you have the control selected).
    
The defaults you?ve set up only apply to the existing form.


On 11 Nov 2014 at 14:46, Kostas Konstantinidis wrote:

> Hi all,
> does anybody know how to change the default control of a check box? By
> default msaccess 2010 sets check boxes to the left of its label and
> what I need is to set it the the right...
> 
> thank?s
> /kostas
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From kost36 at otenet.gr  Tue Nov 11 16:26:23 2014
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 00:26:23 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] check boxes control...
In-Reply-To: <5462731C.11913.233F0E89@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <47E261AB8C104C1BB3F735443842481B@kost36>
	<5462731C.11913.233F0E89@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <65C1587AFD554671BBF18D1EFEE46C90@kost36>

Hi Stuart,
it really works pefrect... I guess it works with all controls...

Don and Gustav thank you too

/kostas

-----?????? ??????----- 
From: Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 10:35 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] check boxes control...

    Create a New Form.

    Draw the control (text box, combo box, etc.) on the form.

    With the control selected, open the properties group (ALT ENTER) to make 
changes to the
items. You can change the font, font color, background color, borders, and 
many other
options.

    Once you?ve changed the properties, click the Design tab, expand the 
Controls group(the
small button at the bottom right of the Controlsgroup) and click Set Control 
Defaults. (Make
sure you have the control selected).

The defaults you?ve set up only apply to the existing form.


On 11 Nov 2014 at 14:46, Kostas Konstantinidis wrote:

> Hi all,
> does anybody know how to change the default control of a check box? By
> default msaccess 2010 sets check boxes to the left of its label and
> what I need is to set it the the right...
>
> thank?s
> /kostas
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 16:57:06 2014
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 14:57:06 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] check boxes control...
In-Reply-To: <68A43B89E7694393962E7B502801B69E@kost36>
References: <47E261AB8C104C1BB3F735443842481B@kost36>
	<BLU176-DS357D53F548456FE13CAB1F6810@phx.gbl>
	<68A43B89E7694393962E7B502801B69E@kost36>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met-6bMfCYuzofyXOH3y7cjOah3AfG+GcgrqErMn29JH8AA@mail.gmail.com>

If you want to change existing boxes, you would have to write code to cycle
through them.  If you want a default setup on new forms, you can create a
Normal form with a checkbox on it set up as you like.  Save the form and it
becomes the template for new forms.

Charlotte

On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 8:06 AM, Kostas Konstantinidis <kost36 at otenet.gr>
wrote:

> Hi Don,
> thank's for your response
> This is a good trick
> But while I have forms that can accommodate more than 20 check-boxes each
> I wonder whether there can be a total setting for every new check-box
> inserted into that form
>
> /kostas
>
>
> -----?????? ??????----- From: Dan Waters
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 3:52 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] check boxes control...
>
>
> Hi Kostas,
>
> First, click on the label portion.  Then click and hold on the small gray
> box at the upper left corner of the label - now you can drag the label
> where you need it to be.
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces@
> databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kostas Konstantinidis
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 6:47 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] check boxes control...
>
> Hi all,
> does anybody know how to change the default control of a check box?
> By default msaccess 2010 sets check boxes to the left of its label and
> what I need is to set it the the right...
>
> thank?s
> /kostas
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 17:55:39 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 18:55:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Adding the same characters to each new entry
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+cJ4GvuXGLwuxNU=WdQDEDJWWrM=koGjJaUj9BTyvrH_Q@mail.gmail.com>

I seem to remember an easy way to concatenate the same characters to each
new input value. For instance, let's say I want the letters AB in front of
each employee number. If I'm generating both, I can do it easily enough,
but if the user is entering a number, I want the control to accept the
number, but display the AB - without the user entering the AB.

I thought you could do this very easily, but I don't remember how.

Susan H.

From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 12 04:34:42 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 10:34:42 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] check boxes control...
Message-ID: <427ecf5f9d5548a7b262a2ecdaddd731@AM2PR06MB0913.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Stuart

That is how to do it. 
I recalled the option but forgot how to do it.

/gustav

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Sendt: 11. november 2014 21:36
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] check boxes control...

    Create a New Form.

    Draw the control (text box, combo box, etc.) on the form.

    With the control selected, open the properties group (ALT ENTER) to make changes to the items. You can change the font, font color, background color, borders, and many other options.

    Once you?ve changed the properties, click the Design tab, expand the Controls group(the small button at the bottom right of the Controlsgroup) and click Set Control Defaults. (Make sure you have the control selected).
    
The defaults you?ve set up only apply to the existing form.


On 11 Nov 2014 at 14:46, Kostas Konstantinidis wrote:

> Hi all,
> does anybody know how to change the default control of a check box? By 
> default msaccess 2010 sets check boxes to the left of its label and 
> what I need is to set it the the right...
> 
> thank?s
> /kostas 


From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 12 05:13:30 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 11:13:30 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Adding the same characters to each new entry
Message-ID: <49daf44f63b54bd1af4a3af49a7af583@AM2PR06MB0913.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Susan

I would position a locked textbox in front of the input textbox, both borderless, with a rectangle around. Then put AB into to first textbox.
When displayed elsewhere, set the Format to prefix with AB.

Of course, you can have BeforeUpdate code to run that prefixes with AB if not present but saving such fixed prefixes only leads to problems.

/gustav

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Sendt: 12. november 2014 00:56
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: [AccessD] Adding the same characters to each new entry

I seem to remember an easy way to concatenate the same characters to each new input value. For instance, let's say I want the letters AB in front of each employee number. If I'm generating both, I can do it easily enough, but if the user is entering a number, I want the control to accept the number, but display the AB - without the user entering the AB.

I thought you could do this very easily, but I don't remember how.

Susan H. 


From actebs at actebs.com.au  Wed Nov 12 07:38:09 2014
From: actebs at actebs.com.au (ACTEBS)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 00:38:09 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Animate Glow on Buttons
Message-ID: <000001cffe7d$e5bf4b80$b13de280$@actebs.com.au>

Hi Everyone,

 

I am trying to put an animation on the main menu that animates the glow of
an otherwise transparent set of buttons (except for the text).

 

Basically I am using the MouseMove event, but it's not working how I
envisaged. The button displays the glow when the mouse moves over it, but
the change looks really clunky for want of a better word and for a moment
the background turn blue making it look a bit amateurish.

 

Does anyone have an example they've got that works elegantly?

 

Many thanks

 

Vlad

 




From jm.hwsn at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 08:19:10 2014
From: jm.hwsn at gmail.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 08:19:10 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Animate Glow on Buttons
In-Reply-To: <000001cffe7d$e5bf4b80$b13de280$@actebs.com.au>
References: <000001cffe7d$e5bf4b80$b13de280$@actebs.com.au>
Message-ID: <CACbV_8ObQ8hf_ir3HA=mTFyYEpYmu=4aErVxHsFrNJ88QnmtMQ@mail.gmail.com>

What I have done in the past is use a label behind a button. The button is
transparent when the events of the button are fired, the label is changed.
That also allows you to change the color of the label to whatever you
wish.  So the "button" can flash red and yellow or what ever colors you
choose in as many colors as you want. If you use a mouse move event, you
may change the label's color.

The benefit is that you can use this for simple things... like Quit buttons
are red, Edit buttons are Green, etc.

HTH
Jim

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 7:38 AM, ACTEBS <actebs at actebs.com.au> wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
>
>
> I am trying to put an animation on the main menu that animates the glow of
> an otherwise transparent set of buttons (except for the text).
>
>
>
> Basically I am using the MouseMove event, but it's not working how I
> envisaged. The button displays the glow when the mouse moves over it, but
> the change looks really clunky for want of a better word and for a moment
> the background turn blue making it look a bit amateurish.
>
>
>
> Does anyone have an example they've got that works elegantly?
>
>
>
> Many thanks
>
>
>
> Vlad
>
>
>
>
>
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 08:48:07 2014
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 06:48:07 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] check boxes control...
In-Reply-To: <5462731C.11913.233F0E89@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <47E261AB8C104C1BB3F735443842481B@kost36>
	<5462731C.11913.233F0E89@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_L9wmV-yXmJw996yV_QwW+g8MJaJshpogqOmqMVAS+3g@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Stuart, I haven't used that before.  Good to know.

Charlotte

On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
wrote:

>     Create a New Form.
>
>     Draw the control (text box, combo box, etc.) on the form.
>
>     With the control selected, open the properties group (ALT ENTER) to
> make changes to the
> items. You can change the font, font color, background color, borders, and
> many other
> options.
>
>     Once you?ve changed the properties, click the Design tab, expand the
> Controls group(the
> small button at the bottom right of the Controlsgroup) and click Set
> Control Defaults. (Make
> sure you have the control selected).
>
> The defaults you?ve set up only apply to the existing form.
>
>
> On 11 Nov 2014 at 14:46, Kostas Konstantinidis wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> > does anybody know how to change the default control of a check box? By
> > default msaccess 2010 sets check boxes to the left of its label and
> > what I need is to set it the the right...
> >
> > thank?s
> > /kostas
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 14:12:48 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 15:12:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Forcing an event
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+fRrBEzGcqUer+h5=0Kxvt_ghTOKsDLhuGeESN-3zv46Q@mail.gmail.com>

I have a command button on one form that opens a second form. On the second
form, I use a click event to enable and disable other controls based on the
value in the clicked event.

I'm also passing a value to the second form and using that to filter the
form's Recordset -- so the control that determines the disabling and
enabling has a selected value. I need to force that click to enable and
disable the other controls.

All this happens for me automatically when opening the form for new
records, because the user must select a value to trigger the event that
disables/enables the other controls. When opening from the other form,
however, the value is already set to the appropriate animal's record.

I tried the Call statement to force the click event, but it doesn't work. I
think the problem is that the code calling is on the first form. When I
explicitly name the form in the Call statement, I get an error --

Call Forms![Enter Disposition Details]!lstDispositionDetailsID_Click()

VBA just won't take that syntax. I looked it up and Call wants only the
procedure name.

I suppose I could write some kind of evaluation in the form's open event
that tries to determine how the form is being opened, but that sounds
gruesome. I can train the user to just click the control of course, but
that's error prone because users forget.

Any suggestions?

Susan H.

From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Wed Nov 12 14:30:15 2014
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 09:30:15 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Forcing an event
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+fRrBEzGcqUer+h5=0Kxvt_ghTOKsDLhuGeESN-3zv46Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+fRrBEzGcqUer+h5=0Kxvt_ghTOKsDLhuGeESN-3zv46Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000901cffeb7$7872e660$6958b320$@dalyn.co.nz>

Hi Susan,

Try:

    Call Forms("Enter Disposition Details "). lstDispositionDetailsID_Click

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Thursday, 13 November 2014 9:13 a.m.
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Forcing an event

I have a command button on one form that opens a second form. On the second
form, I use a click event to enable and disable other controls based on the
value in the clicked event.

I'm also passing a value to the second form and using that to filter the
form's Recordset -- so the control that determines the disabling and
enabling has a selected value. I need to force that click to enable and
disable the other controls.

All this happens for me automatically when opening the form for new records,
because the user must select a value to trigger the event that
disables/enables the other controls. When opening from the other form,
however, the value is already set to the appropriate animal's record.

I tried the Call statement to force the click event, but it doesn't work. I
think the problem is that the code calling is on the first form. When I
explicitly name the form in the Call statement, I get an error --

Call Forms![Enter Disposition Details]!lstDispositionDetailsID_Click()

VBA just won't take that syntax. I looked it up and Call wants only the
procedure name.

I suppose I could write some kind of evaluation in the form's open event
that tries to determine how the form is being opened, but that sounds
gruesome. I can train the user to just click the control of course, but
that's error prone because users forget.

Any suggestions?

Susan H.
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From jbodin at sbor.com  Wed Nov 12 14:33:12 2014
From: jbodin at sbor.com (John Bodin)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 20:33:12 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Forcing an event
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+fRrBEzGcqUer+h5=0Kxvt_ghTOKsDLhuGeESN-3zv46Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+fRrBEzGcqUer+h5=0Kxvt_ghTOKsDLhuGeESN-3zv46Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0c938c7bfd044beb8b709649606f5537@CY1PR0401MB1020.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Susan, I don't understand fully what you are trying to do as I haven't been following your project too closely, but you can call event procedures like you want, but if the event is in a different form, I believe the event has to be declared public in the receiving form (second form in your example.)

Alternatively, you could use the OpenArgs event of the second form and pass a variable to it from the first form's call.  Then, like you suggest, in the open event of the second form, test if OpenArgs = "X", call your Click event then or enable or disable some controls.  E.G. 

If OpenArgs = "X" then
	Me.ctrl1.Enabled = False
        Or  Call Ctrlx_click()
End if

HTH

John

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 3:13 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Forcing an event

I have a command button on one form that opens a second form. On the second form, I use a click event to enable and disable other controls based on the value in the clicked event.

I'm also passing a value to the second form and using that to filter the form's Recordset -- so the control that determines the disabling and enabling has a selected value. I need to force that click to enable and disable the other controls.

All this happens for me automatically when opening the form for new records, because the user must select a value to trigger the event that disables/enables the other controls. When opening from the other form, however, the value is already set to the appropriate animal's record.

I tried the Call statement to force the click event, but it doesn't work. I think the problem is that the code calling is on the first form. When I explicitly name the form in the Call statement, I get an error --

Call Forms![Enter Disposition Details]!lstDispositionDetailsID_Click()

VBA just won't take that syntax. I looked it up and Call wants only the procedure name.

I suppose I could write some kind of evaluation in the form's open event that tries to determine how the form is being opened, but that sounds gruesome. I can train the user to just click the control of course, but that's error prone because users forget.

Any suggestions?

Susan H.
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Nov 12 14:36:11 2014
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 06:36:11 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Forcing an event
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+fRrBEzGcqUer+h5=0Kxvt_ghTOKsDLhuGeESN-3zv46Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+fRrBEzGcqUer+h5=0Kxvt_ghTOKsDLhuGeESN-3zv46Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5463C4BB.2720.3B94AE8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I'd go with the last paragraph. It's not gruesome, it's trivial  That's what OpenArgs is for. Just 
pass an appropriate value in the Docmd.OpenForm from wherever you invoke it and the form 
knows why it is opening. 

Don't enable/disable controls in an On_Click event.  Set them in a separate Sub, then you 
can invoke the code from the On_Open based on OpenArgs or from any other event on the 
form. 

-- 
Stuart

On 12 Nov 2014 at 15:12, Susan Harkins wrote:

> I have a command button on one form that opens a second form. On the
> second form, I use a click event to enable and disable other controls
> based on the value in the clicked event.
> 
> I'm also passing a value to the second form and using that to filter
> the form's Recordset -- so the control that determines the disabling
> and enabling has a selected value. I need to force that click to
> enable and disable the other controls.
> 
> All this happens for me automatically when opening the form for new
> records, because the user must select a value to trigger the event
> that disables/enables the other controls. When opening from the other
> form, however, the value is already set to the appropriate animal's
> record.
> 
> I tried the Call statement to force the click event, but it doesn't
> work. I think the problem is that the code calling is on the first
> form. When I explicitly name the form in the Call statement, I get an
> error --
> 
> Call Forms![Enter Disposition Details]!lstDispositionDetailsID_Click()
> 
> VBA just won't take that syntax. I looked it up and Call wants only
> the procedure name.
> 
> I suppose I could write some kind of evaluation in the form's open
> event that tries to determine how the form is being opened, but that
> sounds gruesome. I can train the user to just click the control of
> course, but that's error prone because users forget.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Susan H.
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Nov 12 14:38:33 2014
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 06:38:33 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Forcing an event
In-Reply-To: <0c938c7bfd044beb8b709649606f5537@CY1PR0401MB1020.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CA++Sg+fRrBEzGcqUer+h5=0Kxvt_ghTOKsDLhuGeESN-3zv46Q@mail.gmail.com>,
	<0c938c7bfd044beb8b709649606f5537@CY1PR0401MB1020.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <5463C549.203.3BB7551@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Yep,  lstDispositionDetailsID_Click() by default is private to the Form and can't be called from 
elsewhere.  You need to explicitly make it public.

-- 
Stuart 

On 12 Nov 2014 at 20:33, John Bodin wrote:

> Hi Susan, I don't understand fully what you are trying to do as I
> haven't been following your project too closely, but you can call
> event procedures like you want, but if the event is in a different
> form, I believe the event has to be declared public in the receiving
> form (second form in your example.)
> 
> Alternatively, you could use the OpenArgs event of the second form and
> pass a variable to it from the first form's call.  Then, like you
> suggest, in the open event of the second form, test if OpenArgs = "X",
> call your Click event then or enable or disable some controls.  E.G. 
> 
> If OpenArgs = "X" then
>  Me.ctrl1.Enabled = False
>         Or  Call Ctrlx_click()
> End if
> 
> HTH
> 
> John
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
> Harkins Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 3:13 PM To: Access
> Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Forcing
> an event
> 
> I have a command button on one form that opens a second form. On the
> second form, I use a click event to enable and disable other controls
> based on the value in the clicked event.
> 
> I'm also passing a value to the second form and using that to filter
> the form's Recordset -- so the control that determines the disabling
> and enabling has a selected value. I need to force that click to
> enable and disable the other controls.
> 
> All this happens for me automatically when opening the form for new
> records, because the user must select a value to trigger the event
> that disables/enables the other controls. When opening from the other
> form, however, the value is already set to the appropriate animal's
> record.
> 
> I tried the Call statement to force the click event, but it doesn't
> work. I think the problem is that the code calling is on the first
> form. When I explicitly name the form in the Call statement, I get an
> error --
> 
> Call Forms![Enter Disposition Details]!lstDispositionDetailsID_Click()
> 
> VBA just won't take that syntax. I looked it up and Call wants only
> the procedure name.
> 
> I suppose I could write some kind of evaluation in the form's open
> event that tries to determine how the form is being opened, but that
> sounds gruesome. I can train the user to just click the control of
> course, but that's error prone because users forget.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Susan H.
> --
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 16:01:58 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 17:01:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Forcing an event
In-Reply-To: <0c938c7bfd044beb8b709649606f5537@CY1PR0401MB1020.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CA++Sg+fRrBEzGcqUer+h5=0Kxvt_ghTOKsDLhuGeESN-3zv46Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<0c938c7bfd044beb8b709649606f5537@CY1PR0401MB1020.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+fRHKME_zpC-fCU_YbMXbtNDysrLTidwnN+68uALczsgQ@mail.gmail.com>

I considered OpenArgs early in the design process, but didn't end up using
it. I'm reusing forms enough, differently, that it might be a good idea to
go back and reconfigure things a bit. Thanks for the suggestion.

I am ever so sorry that I ever told anyone that I could create an Access
db. :)

Susan H.

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 3:33 PM, John Bodin <jbodin at sbor.com> wrote:

> Hi Susan, I don't understand fully what you are trying to do as I haven't
> been following your project too closely, but you can call event procedures
> like you want, but if the event is in a different form, I believe the event
> has to be declared public in the receiving form (second form in your
> example.)
>
> Alternatively, you could use the OpenArgs event of the second form and
> pass a variable to it from the first form's call.  Then, like you suggest,
> in the open event of the second form, test if OpenArgs = "X", call your
> Click event then or enable or disable some controls.  E.G.
>
> If OpenArgs = "X" then
>         Me.ctrl1.Enabled = False
>         Or  Call Ctrlx_click()
> End if
>
> HTH
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 3:13 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Forcing an event
>
> I have a command button on one form that opens a second form. On the
> second form, I use a click event to enable and disable other controls based
> on the value in the clicked event.
>
> I'm also passing a value to the second form and using that to filter the
> form's Recordset -- so the control that determines the disabling and
> enabling has a selected value. I need to force that click to enable and
> disable the other controls.
>
> All this happens for me automatically when opening the form for new
> records, because the user must select a value to trigger the event that
> disables/enables the other controls. When opening from the other form,
> however, the value is already set to the appropriate animal's record.
>
> I tried the Call statement to force the click event, but it doesn't work.
> I think the problem is that the code calling is on the first form. When I
> explicitly name the form in the Call statement, I get an error --
>
> Call Forms![Enter Disposition Details]!lstDispositionDetailsID_Click()
>
> VBA just won't take that syntax. I looked it up and Call wants only the
> procedure name.
>
> I suppose I could write some kind of evaluation in the form's open event
> that tries to determine how the form is being opened, but that sounds
> gruesome. I can train the user to just click the control of course, but
> that's error prone because users forget.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Susan H.
> --
> AccessD mailing list
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 16:58:35 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 17:58:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Forcing an event
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+exhFd3Pd_Fx0zZuTNWnkzVnF0wZEUE=YACTxmoyUoHow@mail.gmail.com>

OpenArgs has changed my life. :) Thank you guys! It's very simple to
implement and it meant discarding a number of unnecessary forms, but it's
definitely the way to go. In just a few hours, I had all those forms
totally under control and I'm headed in a brand new direction. :)

Susan H.

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
wrote:

> I'd go with the last paragraph. It's not gruesome, it's trivial  That's
> what OpenArgs is for. Just
> pass an appropriate value in the Docmd.OpenForm from wherever you invoke
> it and the form
> knows why it is opening.
>
> Don't enable/disable controls in an On_Click event.  Set them in a
> separate Sub, then you
> can invoke the code from the On_Open based on OpenArgs or from any other
> event on the
> form.
>
>

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Nov 14 13:34:20 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 14:34:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Data source question
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+cfmPuh_KoE_ud5Y041yCbZFrqoHLD3c3gf3qOMPMytCw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm working on a main form that opens forms for input, editing, and just
browsing. Using OpenArgs (thank you), it works nicely, mostly.

One of the forms is based on a table, and passing the primary key using the
OpenForm's Filter argument works fine. The second form is based on a query
and the same structure isn't working.

 Select Case Me.OpenArgs
        Case Is = "Edit"
            Me.lblHeader.Caption = "Edit disposition details for " &
Me.GivenName

It's a compile error pointing to Me.GivenName saying the data member isn't
found. It's in the underlying query, but my guess is, because it's a query,
the Form Open event is happening before the filtered value is passed and
rendered -- just a guess.

The only difference is the underlying source -- table versus query. Would
that be the problem?

Susan H.

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Nov 14 15:09:06 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 16:09:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fwd: Data source question
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+cfmPuh_KoE_ud5Y041yCbZFrqoHLD3c3gf3qOMPMytCw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+cfmPuh_KoE_ud5Y041yCbZFrqoHLD3c3gf3qOMPMytCw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+eAu+qvY+jjWdteYcKK_PtHxnmE=XDPyYrdEqTBGP0Erg@mail.gmail.com>

Nevermind. Don't ask. <grumble>

Susan H.


is based on a query and the same structure isn't working.

 Select Case Me.OpenArgs
        Case Is = "Edit"
            Me.lblHeader.Caption = "Edit disposition details for " &
Me.GivenName

It's a compile error pointing to Me.GivenName saying the data member isn't
found. It's in the underlying query, but my guess is, because it's a query,
the Form Open event is happening before the filtered value is passed and
rendered -- just a guess.

The only difference is the underlying source -- table versus query. Would
that be the problem?

Susan H.

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Nov 14 15:25:57 2014
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 07:25:57 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Fwd: Data source question
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+eAu+qvY+jjWdteYcKK_PtHxnmE=XDPyYrdEqTBGP0Erg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+cfmPuh_KoE_ud5Y041yCbZFrqoHLD3c3gf3qOMPMytCw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CA++Sg+eAu+qvY+jjWdteYcKK_PtHxnmE=XDPyYrdEqTBGP0Erg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54667365.14462.E339353@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Go on, tell us :)


-- 
Stuart

On 14 Nov 2014 at 16:09, Susan Harkins wrote:

> Nevermind. Don't ask. <grumble>
> 
> Susan H.
> 
> 
> is based on a query and the same structure isn't working.
> 
>  Select Case Me.OpenArgs
>         Case Is = "Edit"
>             Me.lblHeader.Caption = "Edit disposition details for " &
> Me.GivenName
> 
> It's a compile error pointing to Me.GivenName saying the data member
> isn't found. It's in the underlying query, but my guess is, because
> it's a query, the Form Open event is happening before the filtered
> value is passed and rendered -- just a guess.
> 
> The only difference is the underlying source -- table versus query.
> Would that be the problem?
> 
> Susan H.
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Nov 16 23:45:10 2014
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 05:45:10 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Studio and .NET nearly Open Source now....
Message-ID: <7f7a32446c91479ba6a94887bc456dd6@HKXPR04MB360.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>


Hi all,

Thought you might be interested in the following news from last week:

Microsoft Blog: Opening Up Visual Studio and .NET to every developer<http://blogs.msdn.com/b/somasegar/archive/2014/11/12/opening-up-visual-studio-and-net-to-every-developer-any-application-net-server-core-open-source-and-cross-platform-visual-studio-community-2013-and-preview-of-visual-studio-2015-and-net-2015.aspx>

*         The .NET framework is now open source, almost in full. Here's the source code browser: http://referencesource.microsoft.com/

*         There's a new release of Visual Studio called 'Community' which is basically the Professional version, except free<http://techcrunch.com/2014/11/12/microsoft-makes-visual-studio-free-for-small-teams/>.

Could be useful for some folks on here

Cheers
Darryl

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 12:38:10 2014
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 10:38:10 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Split form wizard
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+frU+xBOD=7kcfcumDANAzx7rSdsTz7N5-A4pexjjOW-A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+frU+xBOD=7kcfcumDANAzx7rSdsTz7N5-A4pexjjOW-A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9uO529bq3789LAoq1qs0O3HpEoMYQ3PtRw+NHjOcc_Mw@mail.gmail.com>

Don't know about 2007, but 2013 has a different take on "split forms".  In
2013, a split form wizard is on the Create ribbon under More Forms

Charlotte

On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:

> In 2003, you could base a form on a query with related tables in a
> one-to-many relationship and one of the form wizards would help you create
> a main/subform form. I can't find it in 2007 -- is it gone?
>
> Susan H.
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 16:12:54 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 17:12:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Split form wizard
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9uO529bq3789LAoq1qs0O3HpEoMYQ3PtRw+NHjOcc_Mw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+frU+xBOD=7kcfcumDANAzx7rSdsTz7N5-A4pexjjOW-A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met9uO529bq3789LAoq1qs0O3HpEoMYQ3PtRw+NHjOcc_Mw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+ckigt+Zvgm5Z9G=7YCwp5XD1SYOy4WbbZsvDnXGL_RVg@mail.gmail.com>

I'll check it out tomorrow Charlotte. At this point, I'm percolating how to
combine three different "health" related topics into one form -- to make
data entry, and my job, a bit easier. They'll enter general health notes,
weight, and vaccines. I don't want to consider dumping them into one table,
but it would be so neat if I could display them all in one form. Thinking
about it -- specify an animal and enter an item for any of these three
health-related items.

Susan H.

On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Don't know about 2007, but 2013 has a different take on "split forms".  In
> 2013, a split form wizard is on the Create ribbon under More Forms
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In 2003, you could base a form on a query with related tables in a
> > one-to-many relationship and one of the form wizards would help you
> create
> > a main/subform form. I can't find it in 2007 -- is it gone?
> >
> > Susan H.
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 16:58:12 2014
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 14:58:12 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Split form wizard
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+ckigt+Zvgm5Z9G=7YCwp5XD1SYOy4WbbZsvDnXGL_RVg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+frU+xBOD=7kcfcumDANAzx7rSdsTz7N5-A4pexjjOW-A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met9uO529bq3789LAoq1qs0O3HpEoMYQ3PtRw+NHjOcc_Mw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA++Sg+ckigt+Zvgm5Z9G=7YCwp5XD1SYOy4WbbZsvDnXGL_RVg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met-3q6sTHrwJAzohJngDa7+t0T_PPjATMrO3hMB69XcWeg@mail.gmail.com>

The tab control is your friend and is what I generally use for this
purpose.  I don't know whether the navigation control was available in 2007.

Charlotte

On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'll check it out tomorrow Charlotte. At this point, I'm percolating how to
> combine three different "health" related topics into one form -- to make
> data entry, and my job, a bit easier. They'll enter general health notes,
> weight, and vaccines. I don't want to consider dumping them into one table,
> but it would be so neat if I could display them all in one form. Thinking
> about it -- specify an animal and enter an item for any of these three
> health-related items.
>
> Susan H.
>
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Charlotte Foust <
> charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Don't know about 2007, but 2013 has a different take on "split forms".
> In
> > 2013, a split form wizard is on the Create ribbon under More Forms
> >
> > Charlotte
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > In 2003, you could base a form on a query with related tables in a
> > > one-to-many relationship and one of the form wizards would help you
> > create
> > > a main/subform form. I can't find it in 2007 -- is it gone?
> > >
> > > Susan H.
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 17:58:51 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 18:58:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Split form wizard
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met-3q6sTHrwJAzohJngDa7+t0T_PPjATMrO3hMB69XcWeg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+frU+xBOD=7kcfcumDANAzx7rSdsTz7N5-A4pexjjOW-A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met9uO529bq3789LAoq1qs0O3HpEoMYQ3PtRw+NHjOcc_Mw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA++Sg+ckigt+Zvgm5Z9G=7YCwp5XD1SYOy4WbbZsvDnXGL_RVg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met-3q6sTHrwJAzohJngDa7+t0T_PPjATMrO3hMB69XcWeg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+deSgmicg0=j4HNoNFCzKhTXBt8MBXkWN0=YGOe6nKfZQ@mail.gmail.com>

I originally considered a set of tabs, but decided against them in the end,
but maybe I should reconsider them for this part -- worth thinking about.
Thank you for the reminder.

Susan H.

On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
wrote:

> The tab control is your friend and is what I generally use for this
> purpose.  I don't know whether the navigation control was available in
> 2007.
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I'll check it out tomorrow Charlotte. At this point, I'm percolating how
> to
> > combine three different "health" related topics into one form -- to make
> > data entry, and my job, a bit easier. They'll enter general health notes,
> > weight, and vaccines. I don't want to consider dumping them into one
> table,
> > but it would be so neat if I could display them all in one form. Thinking
> > about it -- specify an animal and enter an item for any of these three
> > health-related items.
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Charlotte Foust <
> > charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Don't know about 2007, but 2013 has a different take on "split forms".
> > In
> > > 2013, a split form wizard is on the Create ribbon under More Forms
> > >
> > > Charlotte
> > >
> > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > In 2003, you could base a form on a query with related tables in a
> > > > one-to-many relationship and one of the form wizards would help you
> > > create
> > > > a main/subform form. I can't find it in 2007 -- is it gone?
> > > >
> > > > Susan H.
> > > > --
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> >
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Tue Nov 18 21:14:49 2014
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 21:14:49 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Split form wizard
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+deSgmicg0=j4HNoNFCzKhTXBt8MBXkWN0=YGOe6nKfZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201411190314.sAJ3Ero3009344@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey Susan
It has been a long time since I responded to this list. I always used TABS
for multi-information forms.  I just found they provided a more intuitive
approach for the user.

Tony Septav 
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: November-18-14 5:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Split form wizard

I originally considered a set of tabs, but decided against them in the end,
but maybe I should reconsider them for this part -- worth thinking about.
Thank you for the reminder.

Susan H.

On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
wrote:

> The tab control is your friend and is what I generally use for this
> purpose.  I don't know whether the navigation control was available in
> 2007.
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I'll check it out tomorrow Charlotte. At this point, I'm percolating how
> to
> > combine three different "health" related topics into one form -- to make
> > data entry, and my job, a bit easier. They'll enter general health
notes,
> > weight, and vaccines. I don't want to consider dumping them into one
> table,
> > but it would be so neat if I could display them all in one form.
Thinking
> > about it -- specify an animal and enter an item for any of these three
> > health-related items.
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Charlotte Foust <
> > charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Don't know about 2007, but 2013 has a different take on "split forms".
> > In
> > > 2013, a split form wizard is on the Create ribbon under More Forms
> > >
> > > Charlotte
> > >
> > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > In 2003, you could base a form on a query with related tables in a
> > > > one-to-many relationship and one of the form wizards would help you
> > > create
> > > > a main/subform form. I can't find it in 2007 -- is it gone?
> > > >
> > > > Susan H.
> > > > --
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > --
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Nov 18 21:50:22 2014
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 03:50:22 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Split form wizard
In-Reply-To: <201411190314.sAJ3Ero3009344@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <CA++Sg+deSgmicg0=j4HNoNFCzKhTXBt8MBXkWN0=YGOe6nKfZQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<201411190314.sAJ3Ero3009344@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <97c90d2cac0f492191eb6830ad3a16cf@HKXPR04MB360.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Agree Tony.  You can also make the tabs contextual (ie, make them visible or not) depending on what the task at hand is. 
That way you can have many tabs on a single form, but only show the handful that is relevant for that user at that time.
 
My only advice is not to go silly with them (ie having too many tabs visible is confusing for the user) and group the controls on each tab in a logical way.  Get someone other than yourself to sanity check it.

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Wednesday, 19 November 2014 2:15 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Split form wizard

Hey Susan
It has been a long time since I responded to this list. I always used TABS for multi-information forms.  I just found they provided a more intuitive approach for the user.

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: November-18-14 5:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Split form wizard

I originally considered a set of tabs, but decided against them in the end, but maybe I should reconsider them for this part -- worth thinking about.
Thank you for the reminder.

Susan H.

On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
wrote:

> The tab control is your friend and is what I generally use for this 
> purpose.  I don't know whether the navigation control was available in 
> 2007.
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I'll check it out tomorrow Charlotte. At this point, I'm percolating 
> > how
> to
> > combine three different "health" related topics into one form -- to 
> > make data entry, and my job, a bit easier. They'll enter general 
> > health
notes,
> > weight, and vaccines. I don't want to consider dumping them into one
> table,
> > but it would be so neat if I could display them all in one form.
Thinking
> > about it -- specify an animal and enter an item for any of these 
> > three health-related items.
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Charlotte Foust < 
> > charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Don't know about 2007, but 2013 has a different take on "split forms".
> > In
> > > 2013, a split form wizard is on the Create ribbon under More Forms
> > >
> > > Charlotte
> > >
> > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Susan Harkins 
> > > <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > In 2003, you could base a form on a query with related tables in 
> > > > a one-to-many relationship and one of the form wizards would 
> > > > help you
> > > create
> > > > a main/subform form. I can't find it in 2007 -- is it gone?
> > > >
> > > > Susan H.
> > > > --
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 06:58:39 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 07:58:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Split form wizard
In-Reply-To: <201411190314.sAJ3Ero3009344@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <CA++Sg+deSgmicg0=j4HNoNFCzKhTXBt8MBXkWN0=YGOe6nKfZQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<201411190314.sAJ3Ero3009344@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+d6QFK1_u-ONcTf3pdmDYt5CwFhx_1RYq+WYo4x1a2CWA@mail.gmail.com>

In this case Tony, tabs might make good sense. Each animal has three sets
of health related topics -- health exams, weight, and vaccines. I want to
relieve the user of a lot of extra clicks to get there, regardless, so tabs
seems like a good way to to. I'm thinking a tab for acquisition and
disposition might be a good idea down the road too -- I already have those
in place as individual forms, but in retrospect, yeah... they kind of go
together -- the animal comes in, it leaves eventually.

Susan H.

On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 10:14 PM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:

> Hey Susan
> It has been a long time since I responded to this list. I always used TABS
> for multi-information forms.  I just found they provided a more intuitive
> approach for the user.
>
> Tony Septav
> Nanaimo, BC
> Canada
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: November-18-14 5:59 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Split form wizard
>
> I originally considered a set of tabs, but decided against them in the end,
> but maybe I should reconsider them for this part -- worth thinking about.
> Thank you for the reminder.
>
> Susan H.
>
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Charlotte Foust <
> charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > The tab control is your friend and is what I generally use for this
> > purpose.  I don't know whether the navigation control was available in
> > 2007.
> >
> > Charlotte
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I'll check it out tomorrow Charlotte. At this point, I'm percolating
> how
> > to
> > > combine three different "health" related topics into one form -- to
> make
> > > data entry, and my job, a bit easier. They'll enter general health
> notes,
> > > weight, and vaccines. I don't want to consider dumping them into one
> > table,
> > > but it would be so neat if I could display them all in one form.
> Thinking
> > > about it -- specify an animal and enter an item for any of these three
> > > health-related items.
> > >
> > > Susan H.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Charlotte Foust <
> > > charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Don't know about 2007, but 2013 has a different take on "split
> forms".
> > > In
> > > > 2013, a split form wizard is on the Create ribbon under More Forms
> > > >
> > > > Charlotte
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > In 2003, you could base a form on a query with related tables in a
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> > > > create
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From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Wed Nov 19 08:44:59 2014
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 08:44:59 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Split form wizard
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Hey Susan
Where applicable to a project I loved using the tabs. Some of the tabs had
information that was static (enter once) other tabs would contain an
embedded subform (most times a continuous form) to collect ongoing data.
Again where applicable each tab would have it's own set of print buttons,
eg. <Print History>, <Print Graph> etc, etc.  It became a no brainer "one
stop shopping" for the client. They loved it everything was there in their
face, no second guessing as what to do next. It was easy to use because it
was intuitive.

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: November-19-14 6:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Split form wizard

In this case Tony, tabs might make good sense. Each animal has three sets
of health related topics -- health exams, weight, and vaccines. I want to
relieve the user of a lot of extra clicks to get there, regardless, so tabs
seems like a good way to to. I'm thinking a tab for acquisition and
disposition might be a good idea down the road too -- I already have those
in place as individual forms, but in retrospect, yeah... they kind of go
together -- the animal comes in, it leaves eventually.

Susan H.

On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 10:14 PM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:

> Hey Susan
> It has been a long time since I responded to this list. I always used TABS
> for multi-information forms.  I just found they provided a more intuitive
> approach for the user.
>
> Tony Septav
> Nanaimo, BC
> Canada
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: November-18-14 5:59 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Split form wizard
>
> I originally considered a set of tabs, but decided against them in the
end,
> but maybe I should reconsider them for this part -- worth thinking about.
> Thank you for the reminder.
>
> Susan H.
>
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Charlotte Foust <
> charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > The tab control is your friend and is what I generally use for this
> > purpose.  I don't know whether the navigation control was available in
> > 2007.
> >
> > Charlotte
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I'll check it out tomorrow Charlotte. At this point, I'm percolating
> how
> > to
> > > combine three different "health" related topics into one form -- to
> make
> > > data entry, and my job, a bit easier. They'll enter general health
> notes,
> > > weight, and vaccines. I don't want to consider dumping them into one
> > table,
> > > but it would be so neat if I could display them all in one form.
> Thinking
> > > about it -- specify an animal and enter an item for any of these three
> > > health-related items.
> > >
> > > Susan H.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Charlotte Foust <
> > > charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Don't know about 2007, but 2013 has a different take on "split
> forms".
> > > In
> > > > 2013, a split form wizard is on the Create ribbon under More Forms
> > > >
> > > > Charlotte
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > In 2003, you could base a form on a query with related tables in a
> > > > > one-to-many relationship and one of the form wizards would help
you
> > > > create
> > > > > a main/subform form. I can't find it in 2007 -- is it gone?
> > > > >
> > > > > Susan H.
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 10:03:41 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 11:03:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Split form wizard
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I'm thinking about this -- I'm wondering what the pros and cons are of
using the tabs to display subforms. It seems to complicate the whole
process, but the alternative might be a many-to-many relationship between
the necessary tables. There are four, so that could get a bit hairy.

Susan H.

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:

> Hey Susan
> Where applicable to a project I loved using the tabs. Some of the tabs had
> information that was static (enter once) other tabs would contain an
> embedded subform (most times a continuous form) to collect ongoing data.
> Again where applicable each tab would have it's own set of print buttons,
> eg. <Print History>, <Print Graph> etc, etc.  It became a no brainer "one
> stop shopping" for the client. They loved it everything was there in their
> face, no second guessing as what to do next. It was easy to use because it
> was intuitive.
>
> Tony Septav
> Nanaimo, BC
> Canada
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: November-19-14 6:59 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Split form wizard
>
> In this case Tony, tabs might make good sense. Each animal has three sets
> of health related topics -- health exams, weight, and vaccines. I want to
> relieve the user of a lot of extra clicks to get there, regardless, so tabs
> seems like a good way to to. I'm thinking a tab for acquisition and
> disposition might be a good idea down the road too -- I already have those
> in place as individual forms, but in retrospect, yeah... they kind of go
> together -- the animal comes in, it leaves eventually.
>
> Susan H.
>
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 10:14 PM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hey Susan
> > It has been a long time since I responded to this list. I always used
> TABS
> > for multi-information forms.  I just found they provided a more intuitive
> > approach for the user.
> >
> > Tony Septav
> > Nanaimo, BC
> > Canada
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> > Sent: November-18-14 5:59 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Split form wizard
> >
> > I originally considered a set of tabs, but decided against them in the
> end,
> > but maybe I should reconsider them for this part -- worth thinking about.
> > Thank you for the reminder.
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Charlotte Foust <
> > charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > The tab control is your friend and is what I generally use for this
> > > purpose.  I don't know whether the navigation control was available in
> > > 2007.
> > >
> > > Charlotte
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'll check it out tomorrow Charlotte. At this point, I'm percolating
> > how
> > > to
> > > > combine three different "health" related topics into one form -- to
> > make
> > > > data entry, and my job, a bit easier. They'll enter general health
> > notes,
> > > > weight, and vaccines. I don't want to consider dumping them into one
> > > table,
> > > > but it would be so neat if I could display them all in one form.
> > Thinking
> > > > about it -- specify an animal and enter an item for any of these
> three
> > > > health-related items.
> > > >
> > > > Susan H.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Charlotte Foust <
> > > > charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Don't know about 2007, but 2013 has a different take on "split
> > forms".
> > > > In
> > > > > 2013, a split form wizard is on the Create ribbon under More Forms
> > > > >
> > > > > Charlotte
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > In 2003, you could base a form on a query with related tables in
> a
> > > > > > one-to-many relationship and one of the form wizards would help
> you
> > > > > create
> > > > > > a main/subform form. I can't find it in 2007 -- is it gone?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Susan H.
> > > > > > --
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 10:44:01 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 11:44:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Split form wizard
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No many to many -- but, I want each tab to display multiple records for the
main form's selected animal. I can't see anyway to do this other than to
create multiple item subforms. I think that's what I'll do.

Susan H.

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:

> Hey Susan
> Where applicable to a project I loved using the tabs. Some of the tabs had
> information that was static (enter once) other tabs would contain an
> embedded subform (most times a continuous form) to collect ongoing data.
> Again where applicable each tab would have it's own set of print buttons,
> eg. <Print History>, <Print Graph> etc, etc.  It became a no brainer "one
> stop shopping" for the client. They loved it everything was there in their
> face, no second guessing as what to do next. It was easy to use because it
> was intuitive.
>
> Tony Septav
> Nanaimo, BC
> Canada
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: November-19-14 6:59 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Split form wizard
>
> In this case Tony, tabs might make good sense. Each animal has three sets
> of health related topics -- health exams, weight, and vaccines. I want to
> relieve the user of a lot of extra clicks to get there, regardless, so tabs
> seems like a good way to to. I'm thinking a tab for acquisition and
> disposition might be a good idea down the road too -- I already have those
> in place as individual forms, but in retrospect, yeah... they kind of go
> together -- the animal comes in, it leaves eventually.
>
> Susan H.
>
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 10:14 PM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hey Susan
> > It has been a long time since I responded to this list. I always used
> TABS
> > for multi-information forms.  I just found they provided a more intuitive
> > approach for the user.
> >
> > Tony Septav
> > Nanaimo, BC
> > Canada
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> > Sent: November-18-14 5:59 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Split form wizard
> >
> > I originally considered a set of tabs, but decided against them in the
> end,
> > but maybe I should reconsider them for this part -- worth thinking about.
> > Thank you for the reminder.
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Charlotte Foust <
> > charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > The tab control is your friend and is what I generally use for this
> > > purpose.  I don't know whether the navigation control was available in
> > > 2007.
> > >
> > > Charlotte
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'll check it out tomorrow Charlotte. At this point, I'm percolating
> > how
> > > to
> > > > combine three different "health" related topics into one form -- to
> > make
> > > > data entry, and my job, a bit easier. They'll enter general health
> > notes,
> > > > weight, and vaccines. I don't want to consider dumping them into one
> > > table,
> > > > but it would be so neat if I could display them all in one form.
> > Thinking
> > > > about it -- specify an animal and enter an item for any of these
> three
> > > > health-related items.
> > > >
> > > > Susan H.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Charlotte Foust <
> > > > charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Don't know about 2007, but 2013 has a different take on "split
> > forms".
> > > > In
> > > > > 2013, a split form wizard is on the Create ribbon under More Forms
> > > > >
> > > > > Charlotte
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > In 2003, you could base a form on a query with related tables in
> a
> > > > > > one-to-many relationship and one of the form wizards would help
> you
> > > > > create
> > > > > > a main/subform form. I can't find it in 2007 -- is it gone?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Susan H.
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 11:22:44 2014
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 09:22:44 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Split form wizard
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Susan,

There are lots of tricks to keeping subforms in sync on tabs, and it
simplifies the whole process rather than complicating it.  You can present
a clean, intuitive interface where the use can see the categories available
to them and quickly find what they're looking for without being overloaded
with information at any one time.  All the parent form needs to do is hold
the primary keys you need to link the subforms.  Your queries for the
subforms are simplified because they don't need to include multiple tables
to get the right records.

Charlotte

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:03 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm thinking about this -- I'm wondering what the pros and cons are of
> using the tabs to display subforms. It seems to complicate the whole
> process, but the alternative might be a many-to-many relationship between
> the necessary tables. There are four, so that could get a bit hairy.
>
> Susan H.
>
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:
>
> > Hey Susan
> > Where applicable to a project I loved using the tabs. Some of the tabs
> had
> > information that was static (enter once) other tabs would contain an
> > embedded subform (most times a continuous form) to collect ongoing data.
> > Again where applicable each tab would have it's own set of print buttons,
> > eg. <Print History>, <Print Graph> etc, etc.  It became a no brainer "one
> > stop shopping" for the client. They loved it everything was there in
> their
> > face, no second guessing as what to do next. It was easy to use because
> it
> > was intuitive.
> >
> > Tony Septav
> > Nanaimo, BC
> > Canada
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> > Sent: November-19-14 6:59 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Split form wizard
> >
> > In this case Tony, tabs might make good sense. Each animal has three sets
> > of health related topics -- health exams, weight, and vaccines. I want to
> > relieve the user of a lot of extra clicks to get there, regardless, so
> tabs
> > seems like a good way to to. I'm thinking a tab for acquisition and
> > disposition might be a good idea down the road too -- I already have
> those
> > in place as individual forms, but in retrospect, yeah... they kind of go
> > together -- the animal comes in, it leaves eventually.
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 10:14 PM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hey Susan
> > > It has been a long time since I responded to this list. I always used
> > TABS
> > > for multi-information forms.  I just found they provided a more
> intuitive
> > > approach for the user.
> > >
> > > Tony Septav
> > > Nanaimo, BC
> > > Canada
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
> Harkins
> > > Sent: November-18-14 5:59 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Split form wizard
> > >
> > > I originally considered a set of tabs, but decided against them in the
> > end,
> > > but maybe I should reconsider them for this part -- worth thinking
> about.
> > > Thank you for the reminder.
> > >
> > > Susan H.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Charlotte Foust <
> > > charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > The tab control is your friend and is what I generally use for this
> > > > purpose.  I don't know whether the navigation control was available
> in
> > > > 2007.
> > > >
> > > > Charlotte
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I'll check it out tomorrow Charlotte. At this point, I'm
> percolating
> > > how
> > > > to
> > > > > combine three different "health" related topics into one form -- to
> > > make
> > > > > data entry, and my job, a bit easier. They'll enter general health
> > > notes,
> > > > > weight, and vaccines. I don't want to consider dumping them into
> one
> > > > table,
> > > > > but it would be so neat if I could display them all in one form.
> > > Thinking
> > > > > about it -- specify an animal and enter an item for any of these
> > three
> > > > > health-related items.
> > > > >
> > > > > Susan H.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Charlotte Foust <
> > > > > charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Don't know about 2007, but 2013 has a different take on "split
> > > forms".
> > > > > In
> > > > > > 2013, a split form wizard is on the Create ribbon under More
> Forms
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Charlotte
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Susan Harkins <
> ssharkins at gmail.com
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > In 2003, you could base a form on a query with related tables
> in
> > a
> > > > > > > one-to-many relationship and one of the form wizards would help
> > you
> > > > > > create
> > > > > > > a main/subform form. I can't find it in 2007 -- is it gone?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Susan H.
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 11:59:09 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 12:59:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Split form wizard
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+eDKDLjRehC0tb-NopLNpsyVARw1myUfveCTik8CvzApg@mail.gmail.com>

Charlotte, it's working nicely and what's really nice about the whole
arrangement is that I can easily add more pages and quickly drop a subform.
I kind of see that happening. :)

Thanks for the direction everyone -- it's a good choice. And you're all
right -- it was amazingly fast and simple.

Susan H.

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com
> wrote:

> Susan,
>
> There are lots of tricks to keeping subforms in sync on tabs, and it
> simplifies the whole process rather than complicating it.  You can present
> a clean, intuitive interface where the use can see the categories available
> to them and quickly find what they're looking for without being overloaded
> with information at any one time.  All the parent form needs to do is hold
> the primary keys you need to link the subforms.  Your queries for the
> subforms are simplified because they don't need to include multiple tables
> to get the right records.
>
> Charlotte
>
>

From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Wed Nov 19 11:59:38 2014
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 11:59:38 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Split form wizard
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met_LFqGFQS_+bq+Zt5Ar0Qf2Oz4cDfFc7ovNWed-CdvTsA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201411191759.sAJHxhBr010444@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey Susan
You are making a mountain out of a mole hill. Listen to Charlotte. The use
of tabs and subforms is so easy. As I have been saying and same with
Charlotte "You can present a clean, intuitive interface".  Step back and
look at the simple not the complex. Yes it will take a little bit of work
but hey the end result for the client will make you sparkle. You can always
ask for my assistance and I assume Charlotte would also provide support.
Or are you ageing so fast that you cannot see the forest for the trees?

Remember it is fun to be able to laugh at yourselve.

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: November-19-14 11:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Split form wizard

Susan,

There are lots of tricks to keeping subforms in sync on tabs, and it
simplifies the whole process rather than complicating it.  You can present
a clean, intuitive interface where the use can see the categories available
to them and quickly find what they're looking for without being overloaded
with information at any one time.  All the parent form needs to do is hold
the primary keys you need to link the subforms.  Your queries for the
subforms are simplified because they don't need to include multiple tables
to get the right records.

Charlotte

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:03 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm thinking about this -- I'm wondering what the pros and cons are of
> using the tabs to display subforms. It seems to complicate the whole
> process, but the alternative might be a many-to-many relationship between
> the necessary tables. There are four, so that could get a bit hairy.
>
> Susan H.
>
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:
>
> > Hey Susan
> > Where applicable to a project I loved using the tabs. Some of the tabs
> had
> > information that was static (enter once) other tabs would contain an
> > embedded subform (most times a continuous form) to collect ongoing data.
> > Again where applicable each tab would have it's own set of print
buttons,
> > eg. <Print History>, <Print Graph> etc, etc.  It became a no brainer
"one
> > stop shopping" for the client. They loved it everything was there in
> their
> > face, no second guessing as what to do next. It was easy to use because
> it
> > was intuitive.
> >
> > Tony Septav
> > Nanaimo, BC
> > Canada
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> > Sent: November-19-14 6:59 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Split form wizard
> >
> > In this case Tony, tabs might make good sense. Each animal has three
sets
> > of health related topics -- health exams, weight, and vaccines. I want
to
> > relieve the user of a lot of extra clicks to get there, regardless, so
> tabs
> > seems like a good way to to. I'm thinking a tab for acquisition and
> > disposition might be a good idea down the road too -- I already have
> those
> > in place as individual forms, but in retrospect, yeah... they kind of go
> > together -- the animal comes in, it leaves eventually.
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 10:14 PM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hey Susan
> > > It has been a long time since I responded to this list. I always used
> > TABS
> > > for multi-information forms.  I just found they provided a more
> intuitive
> > > approach for the user.
> > >
> > > Tony Septav
> > > Nanaimo, BC
> > > Canada
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
> Harkins
> > > Sent: November-18-14 5:59 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Split form wizard
> > >
> > > I originally considered a set of tabs, but decided against them in the
> > end,
> > > but maybe I should reconsider them for this part -- worth thinking
> about.
> > > Thank you for the reminder.
> > >
> > > Susan H.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Charlotte Foust <
> > > charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > The tab control is your friend and is what I generally use for this
> > > > purpose.  I don't know whether the navigation control was available
> in
> > > > 2007.
> > > >
> > > > Charlotte
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I'll check it out tomorrow Charlotte. At this point, I'm
> percolating
> > > how
> > > > to
> > > > > combine three different "health" related topics into one form --
to
> > > make
> > > > > data entry, and my job, a bit easier. They'll enter general health
> > > notes,
> > > > > weight, and vaccines. I don't want to consider dumping them into
> one
> > > > table,
> > > > > but it would be so neat if I could display them all in one form.
> > > Thinking
> > > > > about it -- specify an animal and enter an item for any of these
> > three
> > > > > health-related items.
> > > > >
> > > > > Susan H.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Charlotte Foust <
> > > > > charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Don't know about 2007, but 2013 has a different take on "split
> > > forms".
> > > > > In
> > > > > > 2013, a split form wizard is on the Create ribbon under More
> Forms
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Charlotte
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Susan Harkins <
> ssharkins at gmail.com
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > In 2003, you could base a form on a query with related tables
> in
> > a
> > > > > > > one-to-many relationship and one of the form wizards would
help
> > you
> > > > > > create
> > > > > > > a main/subform form. I can't find it in 2007 -- is it gone?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Susan H.
> > > > > > > --
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 13:11:20 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 14:11:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Split form wizard
In-Reply-To: <201411191759.sAJHxhBr010444@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <CAH+Met_LFqGFQS_+bq+Zt5Ar0Qf2Oz4cDfFc7ovNWed-CdvTsA@mail.gmail.com>
	<201411191759.sAJHxhBr010444@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+dW8CSjqBVnSdObJMo4qQRPbcM8Cqzs5s7MGkMJTXjeEw@mail.gmail.com>

It's already done Tony. :)

Susan H.

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:

> Hey Susan
> You are making a mountain out of a mole hill. Listen to Charlotte. The use
> of tabs and subforms is so easy. As I have been saying and same with
> Charlotte "You can present a clean, intuitive interface".  Step back and
> look at the simple not the complex. Yes it will take a little bit of work
> but hey the end result for the client will make you sparkle. You can always
> ask for my assistance and I assume Charlotte would also provide support.
> Or are you ageing so fast that you cannot see the forest for the trees?
>
> Remember it is fun to be able to laugh at yourselve.
>
> Tony Septav
> Nanaimo, BC
> Canada
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: November-19-14 11:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Split form wizard
>
> Susan,
>
> There are lots of tricks to keeping subforms in sync on tabs, and it
> simplifies the whole process rather than complicating it.  You can present
> a clean, intuitive interface where the use can see the categories available
> to them and quickly find what they're looking for without being overloaded
> with information at any one time.  All the parent form needs to do is hold
> the primary keys you need to link the subforms.  Your queries for the
> subforms are simplified because they don't need to include multiple tables
> to get the right records.
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:03 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I'm thinking about this -- I'm wondering what the pros and cons are of
> > using the tabs to display subforms. It seems to complicate the whole
> > process, but the alternative might be a many-to-many relationship between
> > the necessary tables. There are four, so that could get a bit hairy.
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hey Susan
> > > Where applicable to a project I loved using the tabs. Some of the tabs
> > had
> > > information that was static (enter once) other tabs would contain an
> > > embedded subform (most times a continuous form) to collect ongoing
> data.
> > > Again where applicable each tab would have it's own set of print
> buttons,
> > > eg. <Print History>, <Print Graph> etc, etc.  It became a no brainer
> "one
> > > stop shopping" for the client. They loved it everything was there in
> > their
> > > face, no second guessing as what to do next. It was easy to use because
> > it
> > > was intuitive.
> > >
> > > Tony Septav
> > > Nanaimo, BC
> > > Canada
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
> Harkins
> > > Sent: November-19-14 6:59 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Split form wizard
> > >
> > > In this case Tony, tabs might make good sense. Each animal has three
> sets
> > > of health related topics -- health exams, weight, and vaccines. I want
> to
> > > relieve the user of a lot of extra clicks to get there, regardless, so
> > tabs
> > > seems like a good way to to. I'm thinking a tab for acquisition and
> > > disposition might be a good idea down the road too -- I already have
> > those
> > > in place as individual forms, but in retrospect, yeah... they kind of
> go
> > > together -- the animal comes in, it leaves eventually.
> > >
> > > Susan H.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 10:14 PM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hey Susan
> > > > It has been a long time since I responded to this list. I always used
> > > TABS
> > > > for multi-information forms.  I just found they provided a more
> > intuitive
> > > > approach for the user.
> > > >
> > > > Tony Septav
> > > > Nanaimo, BC
> > > > Canada
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
> > Harkins
> > > > Sent: November-18-14 5:59 PM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Split form wizard
> > > >
> > > > I originally considered a set of tabs, but decided against them in
> the
> > > end,
> > > > but maybe I should reconsider them for this part -- worth thinking
> > about.
> > > > Thank you for the reminder.
> > > >
> > > > Susan H.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Charlotte Foust <
> > > > charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The tab control is your friend and is what I generally use for this
> > > > > purpose.  I don't know whether the navigation control was available
> > in
> > > > > 2007.
> > > > >
> > > > > Charlotte
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Susan Harkins <
> ssharkins at gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I'll check it out tomorrow Charlotte. At this point, I'm
> > percolating
> > > > how
> > > > > to
> > > > > > combine three different "health" related topics into one form --
> to
> > > > make
> > > > > > data entry, and my job, a bit easier. They'll enter general
> health
> > > > notes,
> > > > > > weight, and vaccines. I don't want to consider dumping them into
> > one
> > > > > table,
> > > > > > but it would be so neat if I could display them all in one form.
> > > > Thinking
> > > > > > about it -- specify an animal and enter an item for any of these
> > > three
> > > > > > health-related items.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Susan H.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Charlotte Foust <
> > > > > > charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Don't know about 2007, but 2013 has a different take on "split
> > > > forms".
> > > > > > In
> > > > > > > 2013, a split form wizard is on the Create ribbon under More
> > Forms
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Charlotte
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Susan Harkins <
> > ssharkins at gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In 2003, you could base a form on a query with related tables
> > in
> > > a
> > > > > > > > one-to-many relationship and one of the form wizards would
> help
> > > you
> > > > > > > create
> > > > > > > > a main/subform form. I can't find it in 2007 -- is it gone?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Susan H.
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Nov 19 15:54:11 2014
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 07:54:11 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Split form wizard
In-Reply-To: <201411191445.sAJEj2Fx010085@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <CA++Sg+d6QFK1_u-ONcTf3pdmDYt5CwFhx_1RYq+WYo4x1a2CWA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<201411191445.sAJEj2Fx010085@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <546D1183.15164.280D19F8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

You've described my favourite interface perfectly.  :)

'm in the process of building a new one for a client which looks exactly like this.

On 19 Nov 2014 at 8:44, Tony Septav wrote:

> Hey Susan
> Where applicable to a project I loved using the tabs. Some of the tabs
> had information that was static (enter once) other tabs would contain
> an embedded subform (most times a continuous form) to collect ongoing
> data. Again where applicable each tab would have it's own set of print
> buttons, eg. <Print History>, <Print Graph> etc, etc.  It became a no
> brainer "one stop shopping" for the client. They loved it everything
> was there in their face, no second guessing as what to do next. It was
> easy to use because it was intuitive.
> 
> Tony Septav
> Nanaimo, BC
> Canada
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
> Harkins Sent: November-19-14 6:59 AM To: Access Developers discussion
> and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Split form wizard
> 
> In this case Tony, tabs might make good sense. Each animal has three
> sets of health related topics -- health exams, weight, and vaccines. I
> want to relieve the user of a lot of extra clicks to get there,
> regardless, so tabs seems like a good way to to. I'm thinking a tab
> for acquisition and disposition might be a good idea down the road too
> -- I already have those in place as individual forms, but in
> retrospect, yeah... they kind of go together -- the animal comes in,
> it leaves eventually.
> 
> Susan H.
> 
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 10:14 PM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > Hey Susan
> > It has been a long time since I responded to this list. I always
> > used TABS for multi-information forms.  I just found they provided a
> > more intuitive approach for the user.
> >
> > Tony Septav
> > Nanaimo, BC
> > Canada
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
> > Harkins Sent: November-18-14 5:59 PM To: Access Developers
> > discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Split form
> > wizard
> >
> > I originally considered a set of tabs, but decided against them in
> > the
> end,
> > but maybe I should reconsider them for this part -- worth thinking
> > about. Thank you for the reminder.
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Charlotte Foust <
> > charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > The tab control is your friend and is what I generally use for
> > > this purpose.  I don't know whether the navigation control was
> > > available in 2007.
> > >
> > > Charlotte
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Susan Harkins
> > > <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'll check it out tomorrow Charlotte. At this point, I'm
> > > > percolating
> > how
> > > to
> > > > combine three different "health" related topics into one form --
> > > > to
> > make
> > > > data entry, and my job, a bit easier. They'll enter general
> > > > health
> > notes,
> > > > weight, and vaccines. I don't want to consider dumping them into
> > > > one
> > > table,
> > > > but it would be so neat if I could display them all in one form.
> > Thinking
> > > > about it -- specify an animal and enter an item for any of these
> > > > three health-related items.
> > > >
> > > > Susan H.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Charlotte Foust <
> > > > charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Don't know about 2007, but 2013 has a different take on "split
> > forms".
> > > > In
> > > > > 2013, a split form wizard is on the Create ribbon under More
> > > > > Forms
> > > > >
> > > > > Charlotte
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Susan Harkins
> > > > > <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > In 2003, you could base a form on a query with related
> > > > > > tables in a one-to-many relationship and one of the form
> > > > > > wizards would help
> you
> > > > > create
> > > > > > a main/subform form. I can't find it in 2007 -- is it gone?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Susan H.
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From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Wed Nov 19 16:02:42 2014
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 16:02:42 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Split form wizard
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+dW8CSjqBVnSdObJMo4qQRPbcM8Cqzs5s7MGkMJTXjeEw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201411192202.sAJM2kuP010824@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey Susan
About time. What took you so long????

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: November-19-14 1:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Split form wizard

It's already done Tony. :)

Susan H.

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:

> Hey Susan
> You are making a mountain out of a mole hill. Listen to Charlotte. The use
> of tabs and subforms is so easy. As I have been saying and same with
> Charlotte "You can present a clean, intuitive interface".  Step back and
> look at the simple not the complex. Yes it will take a little bit of work
> but hey the end result for the client will make you sparkle. You can
always
> ask for my assistance and I assume Charlotte would also provide support.
> Or are you ageing so fast that you cannot see the forest for the trees?
>
> Remember it is fun to be able to laugh at yourselve.
>
> Tony Septav
> Nanaimo, BC
> Canada
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: November-19-14 11:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Split form wizard
>
> Susan,
>
> There are lots of tricks to keeping subforms in sync on tabs, and it
> simplifies the whole process rather than complicating it.  You can present
> a clean, intuitive interface where the use can see the categories
available
> to them and quickly find what they're looking for without being overloaded
> with information at any one time.  All the parent form needs to do is hold
> the primary keys you need to link the subforms.  Your queries for the
> subforms are simplified because they don't need to include multiple tables
> to get the right records.
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:03 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I'm thinking about this -- I'm wondering what the pros and cons are of
> > using the tabs to display subforms. It seems to complicate the whole
> > process, but the alternative might be a many-to-many relationship
between
> > the necessary tables. There are four, so that could get a bit hairy.
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hey Susan
> > > Where applicable to a project I loved using the tabs. Some of the tabs
> > had
> > > information that was static (enter once) other tabs would contain an
> > > embedded subform (most times a continuous form) to collect ongoing
> data.
> > > Again where applicable each tab would have it's own set of print
> buttons,
> > > eg. <Print History>, <Print Graph> etc, etc.  It became a no brainer
> "one
> > > stop shopping" for the client. They loved it everything was there in
> > their
> > > face, no second guessing as what to do next. It was easy to use
because
> > it
> > > was intuitive.
> > >
> > > Tony Septav
> > > Nanaimo, BC
> > > Canada
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
> Harkins
> > > Sent: November-19-14 6:59 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Split form wizard
> > >
> > > In this case Tony, tabs might make good sense. Each animal has three
> sets
> > > of health related topics -- health exams, weight, and vaccines. I want
> to
> > > relieve the user of a lot of extra clicks to get there, regardless, so
> > tabs
> > > seems like a good way to to. I'm thinking a tab for acquisition and
> > > disposition might be a good idea down the road too -- I already have
> > those
> > > in place as individual forms, but in retrospect, yeah... they kind of
> go
> > > together -- the animal comes in, it leaves eventually.
> > >
> > > Susan H.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 10:14 PM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hey Susan
> > > > It has been a long time since I responded to this list. I always
used
> > > TABS
> > > > for multi-information forms.  I just found they provided a more
> > intuitive
> > > > approach for the user.
> > > >
> > > > Tony Septav
> > > > Nanaimo, BC
> > > > Canada
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
> > Harkins
> > > > Sent: November-18-14 5:59 PM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Split form wizard
> > > >
> > > > I originally considered a set of tabs, but decided against them in
> the
> > > end,
> > > > but maybe I should reconsider them for this part -- worth thinking
> > about.
> > > > Thank you for the reminder.
> > > >
> > > > Susan H.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Charlotte Foust <
> > > > charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The tab control is your friend and is what I generally use for
this
> > > > > purpose.  I don't know whether the navigation control was
available
> > in
> > > > > 2007.
> > > > >
> > > > > Charlotte
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Susan Harkins <
> ssharkins at gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I'll check it out tomorrow Charlotte. At this point, I'm
> > percolating
> > > > how
> > > > > to
> > > > > > combine three different "health" related topics into one form --
> to
> > > > make
> > > > > > data entry, and my job, a bit easier. They'll enter general
> health
> > > > notes,
> > > > > > weight, and vaccines. I don't want to consider dumping them into
> > one
> > > > > table,
> > > > > > but it would be so neat if I could display them all in one form.
> > > > Thinking
> > > > > > about it -- specify an animal and enter an item for any of these
> > > three
> > > > > > health-related items.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Susan H.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Charlotte Foust <
> > > > > > charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Don't know about 2007, but 2013 has a different take on "split
> > > > forms".
> > > > > > In
> > > > > > > 2013, a split form wizard is on the Create ribbon under More
> > Forms
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Charlotte
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Susan Harkins <
> > ssharkins at gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In 2003, you could base a form on a query with related
tables
> > in
> > > a
> > > > > > > > one-to-many relationship and one of the form wizards would
> help
> > > you
> > > > > > > create
> > > > > > > > a main/subform form. I can't find it in 2007 -- is it gone?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Susan H.
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From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Wed Nov 19 16:04:31 2014
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 16:04:31 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Split form wizard
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+dW8CSjqBVnSdObJMo4qQRPbcM8Cqzs5s7MGkMJTXjeEw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201411192204.sAJM4a1I010836@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey Susan
Now I can go out and rake the leaves.

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: November-19-14 1:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Split form wizard

It's already done Tony. :)

Susan H.

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> wrote:

> Hey Susan
> You are making a mountain out of a mole hill. Listen to Charlotte. The use
> of tabs and subforms is so easy. As I have been saying and same with
> Charlotte "You can present a clean, intuitive interface".  Step back and
> look at the simple not the complex. Yes it will take a little bit of work
> but hey the end result for the client will make you sparkle. You can
always
> ask for my assistance and I assume Charlotte would also provide support.
> Or are you ageing so fast that you cannot see the forest for the trees?
>
> Remember it is fun to be able to laugh at yourselve.
>
> Tony Septav
> Nanaimo, BC
> Canada
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: November-19-14 11:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Split form wizard
>
> Susan,
>
> There are lots of tricks to keeping subforms in sync on tabs, and it
> simplifies the whole process rather than complicating it.  You can present
> a clean, intuitive interface where the use can see the categories
available
> to them and quickly find what they're looking for without being overloaded
> with information at any one time.  All the parent form needs to do is hold
> the primary keys you need to link the subforms.  Your queries for the
> subforms are simplified because they don't need to include multiple tables
> to get the right records.
>
> Charlotte
>
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:03 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I'm thinking about this -- I'm wondering what the pros and cons are of
> > using the tabs to display subforms. It seems to complicate the whole
> > process, but the alternative might be a many-to-many relationship
between
> > the necessary tables. There are four, so that could get a bit hairy.
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hey Susan
> > > Where applicable to a project I loved using the tabs. Some of the tabs
> > had
> > > information that was static (enter once) other tabs would contain an
> > > embedded subform (most times a continuous form) to collect ongoing
> data.
> > > Again where applicable each tab would have it's own set of print
> buttons,
> > > eg. <Print History>, <Print Graph> etc, etc.  It became a no brainer
> "one
> > > stop shopping" for the client. They loved it everything was there in
> > their
> > > face, no second guessing as what to do next. It was easy to use
because
> > it
> > > was intuitive.
> > >
> > > Tony Septav
> > > Nanaimo, BC
> > > Canada
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
> Harkins
> > > Sent: November-19-14 6:59 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Split form wizard
> > >
> > > In this case Tony, tabs might make good sense. Each animal has three
> sets
> > > of health related topics -- health exams, weight, and vaccines. I want
> to
> > > relieve the user of a lot of extra clicks to get there, regardless, so
> > tabs
> > > seems like a good way to to. I'm thinking a tab for acquisition and
> > > disposition might be a good idea down the road too -- I already have
> > those
> > > in place as individual forms, but in retrospect, yeah... they kind of
> go
> > > together -- the animal comes in, it leaves eventually.
> > >
> > > Susan H.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 10:14 PM, Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hey Susan
> > > > It has been a long time since I responded to this list. I always
used
> > > TABS
> > > > for multi-information forms.  I just found they provided a more
> > intuitive
> > > > approach for the user.
> > > >
> > > > Tony Septav
> > > > Nanaimo, BC
> > > > Canada
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
> > Harkins
> > > > Sent: November-18-14 5:59 PM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Split form wizard
> > > >
> > > > I originally considered a set of tabs, but decided against them in
> the
> > > end,
> > > > but maybe I should reconsider them for this part -- worth thinking
> > about.
> > > > Thank you for the reminder.
> > > >
> > > > Susan H.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Charlotte Foust <
> > > > charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The tab control is your friend and is what I generally use for
this
> > > > > purpose.  I don't know whether the navigation control was
available
> > in
> > > > > 2007.
> > > > >
> > > > > Charlotte
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Susan Harkins <
> ssharkins at gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I'll check it out tomorrow Charlotte. At this point, I'm
> > percolating
> > > > how
> > > > > to
> > > > > > combine three different "health" related topics into one form --
> to
> > > > make
> > > > > > data entry, and my job, a bit easier. They'll enter general
> health
> > > > notes,
> > > > > > weight, and vaccines. I don't want to consider dumping them into
> > one
> > > > > table,
> > > > > > but it would be so neat if I could display them all in one form.
> > > > Thinking
> > > > > > about it -- specify an animal and enter an item for any of these
> > > three
> > > > > > health-related items.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Susan H.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Charlotte Foust <
> > > > > > charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Don't know about 2007, but 2013 has a different take on "split
> > > > forms".
> > > > > > In
> > > > > > > 2013, a split form wizard is on the Create ribbon under More
> > Forms
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Charlotte
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Susan Harkins <
> > ssharkins at gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In 2003, you could base a form on a query with related
tables
> > in
> > > a
> > > > > > > > one-to-many relationship and one of the form wizards would
> help
> > > you
> > > > > > > create
> > > > > > > > a main/subform form. I can't find it in 2007 -- is it gone?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Susan H.
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Nov 19 16:06:44 2014
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 08:06:44 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Split form wizard
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+eDKDLjRehC0tb-NopLNpsyVARw1myUfveCTik8CvzApg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+eDKDLjRehC0tb-NopLNpsyVARw1myUfveCTik8CvzApg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <546D1474.19558.2818954E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

One other "wrinkle"  if you haven't done it already:

I start with an unbound form and place a narrow continuous form on the left hand side with 
basic info such as the persons name - in your case it may be the naimal ID. 

Then I put the tab control beside it with all the appropriate sub forms on various pages.

I create a hidden text control on the main unbound form with a ControlSource something like:
=[frmEmployeeList].[Form]![EmployeePK]

Then I put that  control's name in  the "Link Master Fields" of the subforms.

That way users can see/sort/filter a list of the subjects and click on any one to see all of that 
subject's info.

-- 
Stuart

On 19 Nov 2014 at 12:59, Susan Harkins wrote:

> Charlotte, it's working nicely and what's really nice about the whole
> arrangement is that I can easily add more pages and quickly drop a
> subform. I kind of see that happening. :)
> 
> Thanks for the direction everyone -- it's a good choice. And you're
> all right -- it was amazingly fast and simple.
> 
> Susan H.
> 
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Charlotte Foust
> <charlotte.foust at gmail.com > wrote:
> 
> > Susan,
> >
> > There are lots of tricks to keeping subforms in sync on tabs, and it
> > simplifies the whole process rather than complicating it.  You can
> > present a clean, intuitive interface where the use can see the
> > categories available to them and quickly find what they're looking
> > for without being overloaded with information at any one time.  All
> > the parent form needs to do is hold the primary keys you need to
> > link the subforms.  Your queries for the subforms are simplified
> > because they don't need to include multiple tables to get the right
> > records.
> >
> > Charlotte
> >
> >
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From TSeptav at Uniserve.com  Wed Nov 19 16:28:47 2014
From: TSeptav at Uniserve.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 16:28:47 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Split form wizard
In-Reply-To: <546D1474.19558.2818954E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <201411192228.sAJMSpxS010924@databaseadvisors.com>

Hey Stuart
Good stuff. As I mentioned I have not replied to the concerns on the list
for ages. It was kind of fun.  Anyway got to fade into the background again.
All the Best to those of you that are still prospering with your Access
ventures.

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC
Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: November-19-14 4:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Split form wizard

One other "wrinkle"  if you haven't done it already:

I start with an unbound form and place a narrow continuous form on the left
hand side with 
basic info such as the persons name - in your case it may be the naimal ID. 

Then I put the tab control beside it with all the appropriate sub forms on
various pages.

I create a hidden text control on the main unbound form with a ControlSource
something like:
=[frmEmployeeList].[Form]![EmployeePK]

Then I put that  control's name in  the "Link Master Fields" of the
subforms.

That way users can see/sort/filter a list of the subjects and click on any
one to see all of that 
subject's info.

-- 
Stuart

On 19 Nov 2014 at 12:59, Susan Harkins wrote:

> Charlotte, it's working nicely and what's really nice about the whole
> arrangement is that I can easily add more pages and quickly drop a
> subform. I kind of see that happening. :)
> 
> Thanks for the direction everyone -- it's a good choice. And you're
> all right -- it was amazingly fast and simple.
> 
> Susan H.
> 
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Charlotte Foust
> <charlotte.foust at gmail.com > wrote:
> 
> > Susan,
> >
> > There are lots of tricks to keeping subforms in sync on tabs, and it
> > simplifies the whole process rather than complicating it.  You can
> > present a clean, intuitive interface where the use can see the
> > categories available to them and quickly find what they're looking
> > for without being overloaded with information at any one time.  All
> > the parent form needs to do is hold the primary keys you need to
> > link the subforms.  Your queries for the subforms are simplified
> > because they don't need to include multiple tables to get the right
> > records.
> >
> > Charlotte
> >
> >
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 16:55:43 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 17:55:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Insert an ADO Stream (or other) into MICROSOFT ACCESS OLE
	Object field
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_0XrWkaS6G+n+=+30KFTDmvoMLjzAKujPGs4SEODT+8YQ@mail.gmail.com>

I was toying with the idea of creating a backend document management
database in MS Access. I was going to zip files and then import them into
the database table with ADO, using the ADO Stream object.

All the below code (which doesnt have the ZIPPING code - but that will be
added later) runs fine, and there is no error message. But when I check the
contents of the OLE Object field in the record, it is empty.

Which makes me quite unhappy, I wrote a lot of code and built a userform
dialog assuming this was going to work.

I think these streams used to be able to be stored in dbMemo type fields -
I am sure I had at one time been successful.

I don't think I could even try to think of how to do this with ADO using an
Attachments field instead, since I dount ADO knows what that is. In any
case, I tried making the field type attachment in Access and the code did
not run - runtime error at the assignment of the .Value.

I don't think I can get this to run using inlineSQL ("Insert into blah
blah" because I don't know what I would use for the "Values ( )" clause.

Has anyone succeeded where I am failing?

Public Sub Upload()
Dim stmFileStream As New ADODB.Stream
Dim RS As New ADODB.Recordset
Dim oConn As ADODB.Connection
Const strPath = "C:\Users\wbenson\Documents\Development\Document Database
Project\Doc1.docx"
Set oConn = MyConn 'Trust me, this connection works

With stmFileStream
    .Open
    .Type = adTypeBinary
    .LoadFromFile strPath
End With

With RS
    .ActiveConnection = oConn
    .LockType = adLockOptimistic
    .CursorType = adOpenDynamic
    .Open "SELECT * FROM Revision Where 1 = 2"
    .AddNew
    .Fields("File").Value = stmFileStream.Read
    .Fields("Path") = strPath
    .Update
    .Close
End With
stmFileStream.Close
Set stmFileStream = Nothing
Set RS = Nothing
End Sub

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 17:32:10 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 18:32:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Split form wizard
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+cDKz2m2+NLSCp+OSPi3o_GzJ-KQ991qaqJcR9ou2hnZw@mail.gmail.com>

Already done -- not exactly the same way -- but already done. :)

Susan H.

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
wrote:

> One other "wrinkle"  if you haven't done it already:
>
> I start with an unbound form and place a narrow continuous form on the
> left hand side with
> basic info such as the persons name - in your case it may be the naimal ID.
>
> Then I put the tab control beside it with all the appropriate sub forms on
> various pages.
>
> I create a hidden text control on the main unbound form with a
> ControlSource something like:
> =[frmEmployeeList].[Form]![EmployeePK]
>
> Then I put that  control's name in  the "Link Master Fields" of the
> subforms.
>
> That way users can see/sort/filter a list of the subjects and click on any
> one to see all of that
> subject's info.
>
>

From df.waters at outlook.com  Wed Nov 19 18:33:43 2014
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 18:33:43 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Insert an ADO Stream (or other) into MICROSOFT ACCESS
	OLE	Object field
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_0XrWkaS6G+n+=+30KFTDmvoMLjzAKujPGs4SEODT+8YQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJLzs_0XrWkaS6G+n+=+30KFTDmvoMLjzAKujPGs4SEODT+8YQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU176-DS1510B1B06A67331D0B110CF6760@phx.gbl>

Hi Bill,

I've done this many times.  I do not keep the documents in the database, I
just keep the path to where the file is stored.  Storing and using the file
path is relatively easy.

I'm going to guess that what you're trying to do is difficult, and has a
potential for problems in production use.

HTH,
Dan

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Benson
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 16:56 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Insert an ADO Stream (or other) into MICROSOFT ACCESS OLE
Object field

I was toying with the idea of creating a backend document management
database in MS Access. I was going to zip files and then import them into
the database table with ADO, using the ADO Stream object.

All the below code (which doesnt have the ZIPPING code - but that will be
added later) runs fine, and there is no error message. But when I check the
contents of the OLE Object field in the record, it is empty.

Which makes me quite unhappy, I wrote a lot of code and built a userform
dialog assuming this was going to work.

I think these streams used to be able to be stored in dbMemo type fields - I
am sure I had at one time been successful.

I don't think I could even try to think of how to do this with ADO using an
Attachments field instead, since I dount ADO knows what that is. In any
case, I tried making the field type attachment in Access and the code did
not run - runtime error at the assignment of the .Value.

I don't think I can get this to run using inlineSQL ("Insert into blah blah"
because I don't know what I would use for the "Values ( )" clause.

Has anyone succeeded where I am failing?

Public Sub Upload()
Dim stmFileStream As New ADODB.Stream
Dim RS As New ADODB.Recordset
Dim oConn As ADODB.Connection
Const strPath = "C:\Users\wbenson\Documents\Development\Document Database
Project\Doc1.docx"
Set oConn = MyConn 'Trust me, this connection works

With stmFileStream
    .Open
    .Type = adTypeBinary
    .LoadFromFile strPath
End With

With RS
    .ActiveConnection = oConn
    .LockType = adLockOptimistic
    .CursorType = adOpenDynamic
    .Open "SELECT * FROM Revision Where 1 = 2"
    .AddNew
    .Fields("File").Value = stmFileStream.Read
    .Fields("Path") = strPath
    .Update
    .Close
End With
stmFileStream.Close
Set stmFileStream = Nothing
Set RS = Nothing
End Sub
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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Wed Nov 19 22:22:04 2014
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 20:22:04 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Insert an ADO Stream (or other) into MICROSOFT ACCESS
	OLE	Object field
In-Reply-To: <Hawl1p0100xgD8Z01awntu>
References: <Hawl1p0100xgD8Z01awntu>
Message-ID: <010201d00479$89fc1f60$9df45e20$@cox.net>

Bill,

I did this for a client who did directed that the documents would be stored
in a sql server back-end. They originally were using the document fields in
an accdb back end but it was slowwwwww, and growing rapidly. 

Following is the procedure that did the storage of a file. We use it for all
kinds of files, just need to save the name and file type extension so the
file can be rehydrated when they want to retrieve

Doug
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------


'---------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------
'
Public Sub subFileStorage(sPath As String, lProjID As Long, iDocumentType As
Integer)
    Dim cn As New ADODB.Connection
    Dim cnStr As String
    Dim rs As New ADODB.Recordset
    Dim sT As New ADODB.Stream
    Dim sDocName As String
     On Error GoTo subFileStorage_Error
     
     'Work with the document, get name parts and load stream
     sDocName = Mid(sPath, InStrRev(sPath, "\") + 1)
     Call subDocInfo(sDocName)
     sT.Type = adTypeBinary
     sT.Open
     sT.LoadFromFile sPath
     
     'PUT IN ACTUAL SERVER AND DATABASE NAMES.
     'Open the connection to sql server
     'cnStr = "Provider=sqloledb;Data Source=2003.local;Initial
Catalog=TestDatabase_beSQL;User Id=xxx;Password=xxxxx;"
     cnStr = "Provider=sqloledb;Data Source=2003.local;Initial
Catalog=RLProjectDatabase_beSQL;User Id=xxx;Password=xxxxx;"
     'USE A TRUSTED CONNECTION
     'cnStr = "Provider=sqloledb;Data Source=myServerAddress;Initial
Catalog=myDataBase;Integrated Security=SSPI;"
     cn.Open cnStr
     
     'Open the recordset
     rs.Open "SELECT DocumentName, DocumentExtension, DocumentTypeID,
Document, ProjectID FROM tblDocuments", cn, adOpenForwardOnly,
adLockOptimistic
     rs.AddNew
     rs.Fields("DocumentName") = sDocumentName
     rs.Fields("DocumentExtension") = sFileExtension
     rs.Fields("DocumentTypeID") = iDocumentType
     rs.Fields("ProjectID") = lProjID
     rs.Fields("Document").Value = sT.Read
     rs.Save
     
subFileStorage_Exit:
   On Error GoTo 0
   sT.Close
   rs.Close
   cn.Close
   Set sT = Nothing
   Set rs = Nothing
   Set cn = Nothing
   Exit Sub

subFileStorage_Error:

    MsgBox "Error " & Err.Number & " (" & Err.Description & " at Line Number
= " & Erl & ") in procedure subFileStorage of Module basDocumentStorage"
    Resume subFileStorage_Exit:
    Resume
End Sub
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Benson
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 2:56 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Insert an ADO Stream (or other) into MICROSOFT ACCESS OLE
Object field

I was toying with the idea of creating a backend document management
database in MS Access. I was going to zip files and then import them into
the database table with ADO, using the ADO Stream object.

All the below code (which doesnt have the ZIPPING code - but that will be
added later) runs fine, and there is no error message. But when I check the
contents of the OLE Object field in the record, it is empty.

Which makes me quite unhappy, I wrote a lot of code and built a userform
dialog assuming this was going to work.

I think these streams used to be able to be stored in dbMemo type fields - I
am sure I had at one time been successful.

I don't think I could even try to think of how to do this with ADO using an
Attachments field instead, since I dount ADO knows what that is. In any
case, I tried making the field type attachment in Access and the code did
not run - runtime error at the assignment of the .Value.

I don't think I can get this to run using inlineSQL ("Insert into blah blah"
because I don't know what I would use for the "Values ( )" clause.

Has anyone succeeded where I am failing?

Public Sub Upload()
Dim stmFileStream As New ADODB.Stream
Dim RS As New ADODB.Recordset
Dim oConn As ADODB.Connection
Const strPath = "C:\Users\wbenson\Documents\Development\Document Database
Project\Doc1.docx"
Set oConn = MyConn 'Trust me, this connection works

With stmFileStream
    .Open
    .Type = adTypeBinary
    .LoadFromFile strPath
End With

With RS
    .ActiveConnection = oConn
    .LockType = adLockOptimistic
    .CursorType = adOpenDynamic
    .Open "SELECT * FROM Revision Where 1 = 2"
    .AddNew
    .Fields("File").Value = stmFileStream.Read
    .Fields("Path") = strPath
    .Update
    .Close
End With
stmFileStream.Close
Set stmFileStream = Nothing
Set RS = Nothing
End Sub
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 22:41:47 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 23:41:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Insert an ADO Stream (or other) into MICROSOFT ACCESS
 OLE Object field
In-Reply-To: <010201d00479$89fc1f60$9df45e20$@cox.net>
References: <010201d00479$89fc1f60$9df45e20$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_1LL-xQd8Lznr8AxPO+ckAGQ+NoUoJ_Wio+m6KMqkTM1Q@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks but for my project, it's ACCESS OR NOTHING in this prototype,
because I can create and modify an Access backend with nothing but dll's
that come with Windows.

So far no one seems to have a solution with ADO stream for MS Access?
On Nov 19, 2014 11:25 PM, "Doug Murphy" <dw-murphy at cox.net> wrote:

> Bill,
>
> I did this for a client who did directed that the documents would be stored
> in a sql server back-end. They originally were using the document fields in
> an accdb back end but it was slowwwwww, and growing rapidly.
>
> Following is the procedure that did the storage of a file. We use it for
> all
> kinds of files, just need to save the name and file type extension so the
> file can be rehydrated when they want to retrieve
>
> Doug
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -------------------------------
>
>
>
> '---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------
> '
> Public Sub subFileStorage(sPath As String, lProjID As Long, iDocumentType
> As
> Integer)
>     Dim cn As New ADODB.Connection
>     Dim cnStr As String
>     Dim rs As New ADODB.Recordset
>     Dim sT As New ADODB.Stream
>     Dim sDocName As String
>      On Error GoTo subFileStorage_Error
>
>      'Work with the document, get name parts and load stream
>      sDocName = Mid(sPath, InStrRev(sPath, "\") + 1)
>      Call subDocInfo(sDocName)
>      sT.Type = adTypeBinary
>      sT.Open
>      sT.LoadFromFile sPath
>
>      'PUT IN ACTUAL SERVER AND DATABASE NAMES.
>      'Open the connection to sql server
>      'cnStr = "Provider=sqloledb;Data Source=2003.local;Initial
> Catalog=TestDatabase_beSQL;User Id=xxx;Password=xxxxx;"
>      cnStr = "Provider=sqloledb;Data Source=2003.local;Initial
> Catalog=RLProjectDatabase_beSQL;User Id=xxx;Password=xxxxx;"
>      'USE A TRUSTED CONNECTION
>      'cnStr = "Provider=sqloledb;Data Source=myServerAddress;Initial
> Catalog=myDataBase;Integrated Security=SSPI;"
>      cn.Open cnStr
>
>      'Open the recordset
>      rs.Open "SELECT DocumentName, DocumentExtension, DocumentTypeID,
> Document, ProjectID FROM tblDocuments", cn, adOpenForwardOnly,
> adLockOptimistic
>      rs.AddNew
>      rs.Fields("DocumentName") = sDocumentName
>      rs.Fields("DocumentExtension") = sFileExtension
>      rs.Fields("DocumentTypeID") = iDocumentType
>      rs.Fields("ProjectID") = lProjID
>      rs.Fields("Document").Value = sT.Read
>      rs.Save
>
> subFileStorage_Exit:
>    On Error GoTo 0
>    sT.Close
>    rs.Close
>    cn.Close
>    Set sT = Nothing
>    Set rs = Nothing
>    Set cn = Nothing
>    Exit Sub
>
> subFileStorage_Error:
>
>     MsgBox "Error " & Err.Number & " (" & Err.Description & " at Line
> Number
> = " & Erl & ") in procedure subFileStorage of Module basDocumentStorage"
>     Resume subFileStorage_Exit:
>     Resume
> End Sub
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -------------------------------
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Benson
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 2:56 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Insert an ADO Stream (or other) into MICROSOFT ACCESS
> OLE
> Object field
>
> I was toying with the idea of creating a backend document management
> database in MS Access. I was going to zip files and then import them into
> the database table with ADO, using the ADO Stream object.
>
> All the below code (which doesnt have the ZIPPING code - but that will be
> added later) runs fine, and there is no error message. But when I check the
> contents of the OLE Object field in the record, it is empty.
>
> Which makes me quite unhappy, I wrote a lot of code and built a userform
> dialog assuming this was going to work.
>
> I think these streams used to be able to be stored in dbMemo type fields -
> I
> am sure I had at one time been successful.
>
> I don't think I could even try to think of how to do this with ADO using an
> Attachments field instead, since I dount ADO knows what that is. In any
> case, I tried making the field type attachment in Access and the code did
> not run - runtime error at the assignment of the .Value.
>
> I don't think I can get this to run using inlineSQL ("Insert into blah
> blah"
> because I don't know what I would use for the "Values ( )" clause.
>
> Has anyone succeeded where I am failing?
>
> Public Sub Upload()
> Dim stmFileStream As New ADODB.Stream
> Dim RS As New ADODB.Recordset
> Dim oConn As ADODB.Connection
> Const strPath = "C:\Users\wbenson\Documents\Development\Document Database
> Project\Doc1.docx"
> Set oConn = MyConn 'Trust me, this connection works
>
> With stmFileStream
>     .Open
>     .Type = adTypeBinary
>     .LoadFromFile strPath
> End With
>
> With RS
>     .ActiveConnection = oConn
>     .LockType = adLockOptimistic
>     .CursorType = adOpenDynamic
>     .Open "SELECT * FROM Revision Where 1 = 2"
>     .AddNew
>     .Fields("File").Value = stmFileStream.Read
>     .Fields("Path") = strPath
>     .Update
>     .Close
> End With
> stmFileStream.Close
> Set stmFileStream = Nothing
> Set RS = Nothing
> End Sub
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Thu Nov 20 11:01:39 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 12:01:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Insert an ADO Stream (or other) into MICROSOFT ACCESS
 OLE Object field
In-Reply-To: <BLU176-DS1510B1B06A67331D0B110CF6760@phx.gbl>
References: <CAJLzs_0XrWkaS6G+n+=+30KFTDmvoMLjzAKujPGs4SEODT+8YQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU176-DS1510B1B06A67331D0B110CF6760@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_1pxpXUy7kWBDui7h0je3M_iHqbCWH+CcNB5GSxVEcwxg@mail.gmail.com>

Dan can you give examples of problems and / or give reasons you feel that
this will be difficult? Does unpacking the files from the dbms cause data
loss or corruption? Any more so than disk i/o, user error (I remember
deleting the wrong files every now and then).

I can envision the database size limits for example, constraining how many
documents can be stored. Also, I think while the code works for sql server,
I may not find a way to get it done using ADO and an Access backend.
What other problems are you concerned with?

I have tried DAO + VBA and have had no success either so far, even though
code samples indicate that should be productive. I have tried ADO and oleDB
field type, and that doesn't "fail" but is resulting in an empty field in
the backend. I am starting to wonder whether something is going on. If I
put the path in windows explorer, the file opens fine - so I cannot imagine
it having anything to do with the path unless, having spaces within it.
However, I have tried both these

rstAttachment.Fields("FileData").LoadFromFile = strPathDoc

and

rstAttachment.Fields("FileData").LoadFromFile = Chr(34) & strPathDoc &
Chr(34)

neither of which work.

The ADO Stream method doesn't have any problem reading to populate the
stream, it is after assignment to the oleDB field that I am seeing nothing
in the backend, despite that the record is added.


On Nov 19, 2014 7:36 PM, "Dan Waters" <df.waters at outlook.com> wrote:

> Hi Bill,
>
> I've done this many times.  I do not keep the documents in the database, I
> just keep the path to where the file is stored.  Storing and using the file
> path is relatively easy.
>
> I'm going to guess that what you're trying to do is difficult, and has a
> potential for problems in production use.
>
> HTH,
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Benson
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 16:56 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Insert an ADO Stream (or other) into MICROSOFT ACCESS
> OLE
> Object field
>
> I was toying with the idea of creating a backend document management
> database in MS Access. I was going to zip files and then import them into
> the database table with ADO, using the ADO Stream object.
>
> All the below code (which doesnt have the ZIPPING code - but that will be
> added later) runs fine, and there is no error message. But when I check the
> contents of the OLE Object field in the record, it is empty.
>
> Which makes me quite unhappy, I wrote a lot of code and built a userform
> dialog assuming this was going to work.
>
> I think these streams used to be able to be stored in dbMemo type fields -
> I
> am sure I had at one time been successful.
>
> I don't think I could even try to think of how to do this with ADO using an
> Attachments field instead, since I dount ADO knows what that is. In any
> case, I tried making the field type attachment in Access and the code did
> not run - runtime error at the assignment of the .Value.
>
> I don't think I can get this to run using inlineSQL ("Insert into blah
> blah"
> because I don't know what I would use for the "Values ( )" clause.
>
> Has anyone succeeded where I am failing?
>
> Public Sub Upload()
> Dim stmFileStream As New ADODB.Stream
> Dim RS As New ADODB.Recordset
> Dim oConn As ADODB.Connection
> Const strPath = "C:\Users\wbenson\Documents\Development\Document Database
> Project\Doc1.docx"
> Set oConn = MyConn 'Trust me, this connection works
>
> With stmFileStream
>     .Open
>     .Type = adTypeBinary
>     .LoadFromFile strPath
> End With
>
> With RS
>     .ActiveConnection = oConn
>     .LockType = adLockOptimistic
>     .CursorType = adOpenDynamic
>     .Open "SELECT * FROM Revision Where 1 = 2"
>     .AddNew
>     .Fields("File").Value = stmFileStream.Read
>     .Fields("Path") = strPath
>     .Update
>     .Close
> End With
> stmFileStream.Close
> Set stmFileStream = Nothing
> Set RS = Nothing
> End Sub
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From df.waters at outlook.com  Thu Nov 20 11:26:59 2014
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 11:26:59 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Insert an ADO Stream (or other) into MICROSOFT ACCESS
	OLE Object field
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References: <CAJLzs_0XrWkaS6G+n+=+30KFTDmvoMLjzAKujPGs4SEODT+8YQ@mail.gmail.com>	<BLU176-DS1510B1B06A67331D0B110CF6760@phx.gbl>
	<CAJLzs_1pxpXUy7kWBDui7h0je3M_iHqbCWH+CcNB5GSxVEcwxg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU176-DS182C51337E9414B1A7FFADF6760@phx.gbl>

Hi Bill,

As you mentioned, database size is a significant issue.  Also, I would worry
about two people opening the stored file at the same time, and they both
want to edit the document.  This would have to be carefully tested to see
what happens and how you could counter any issues.

I would also guess that the performance could be very slow - Access is not
the fastest kid on the block and a document would probably be much larger
than anything else.

Overall, there is just the principle that it's best to let Windows do its
thing and handle files!

If you get it working - good luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Benson
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:02 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert an ADO Stream (or other) into MICROSOFT ACCESS
OLE Object field

Dan can you give examples of problems and / or give reasons you feel that
this will be difficult? Does unpacking the files from the dbms cause data
loss or corruption? Any more so than disk i/o, user error (I remember
deleting the wrong files every now and then).

I can envision the database size limits for example, constraining how many
documents can be stored. Also, I think while the code works for sql server,
I may not find a way to get it done using ADO and an Access backend.
What other problems are you concerned with?

I have tried DAO + VBA and have had no success either so far, even though
code samples indicate that should be productive. I have tried ADO and oleDB
field type, and that doesn't "fail" but is resulting in an empty field in
the backend. I am starting to wonder whether something is going on. If I put
the path in windows explorer, the file opens fine - so I cannot imagine it
having anything to do with the path unless, having spaces within it.
However, I have tried both these

rstAttachment.Fields("FileData").LoadFromFile = strPathDoc

and

rstAttachment.Fields("FileData").LoadFromFile = Chr(34) & strPathDoc &
Chr(34)

neither of which work.

The ADO Stream method doesn't have any problem reading to populate the
stream, it is after assignment to the oleDB field that I am seeing nothing
in the backend, despite that the record is added.


On Nov 19, 2014 7:36 PM, "Dan Waters" <df.waters at outlook.com> wrote:

> Hi Bill,
>
> I've done this many times.  I do not keep the documents in the 
> database, I just keep the path to where the file is stored.  Storing 
> and using the file path is relatively easy.
>
> I'm going to guess that what you're trying to do is difficult, and has 
> a potential for problems in production use.
>
> HTH,
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Benson
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 16:56 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Insert an ADO Stream (or other) into MICROSOFT 
> ACCESS OLE Object field
>
> I was toying with the idea of creating a backend document management 
> database in MS Access. I was going to zip files and then import them 
> into the database table with ADO, using the ADO Stream object.
>
> All the below code (which doesnt have the ZIPPING code - but that will 
> be added later) runs fine, and there is no error message. But when I 
> check the contents of the OLE Object field in the record, it is empty.
>
> Which makes me quite unhappy, I wrote a lot of code and built a 
> userform dialog assuming this was going to work.
>
> I think these streams used to be able to be stored in dbMemo type 
> fields - I am sure I had at one time been successful.
>
> I don't think I could even try to think of how to do this with ADO 
> using an Attachments field instead, since I dount ADO knows what that 
> is. In any case, I tried making the field type attachment in Access 
> and the code did not run - runtime error at the assignment of the .Value.
>
> I don't think I can get this to run using inlineSQL ("Insert into blah 
> blah"
> because I don't know what I would use for the "Values ( )" clause.
>
> Has anyone succeeded where I am failing?
>
> Public Sub Upload()
> Dim stmFileStream As New ADODB.Stream
> Dim RS As New ADODB.Recordset
> Dim oConn As ADODB.Connection
> Const strPath = "C:\Users\wbenson\Documents\Development\Document 
> Database Project\Doc1.docx"
> Set oConn = MyConn 'Trust me, this connection works
>
> With stmFileStream
>     .Open
>     .Type = adTypeBinary
>     .LoadFromFile strPath
> End With
>
> With RS
>     .ActiveConnection = oConn
>     .LockType = adLockOptimistic
>     .CursorType = adOpenDynamic
>     .Open "SELECT * FROM Revision Where 1 = 2"
>     .AddNew
>     .Fields("File").Value = stmFileStream.Read
>     .Fields("Path") = strPath
>     .Update
>     .Close
> End With
> stmFileStream.Close
> Set stmFileStream = Nothing
> Set RS = Nothing
> End Sub
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Thu Nov 20 11:43:24 2014
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 09:43:24 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Insert an ADO Stream (or other) into MICROSOFT ACCESS
 OLE Object field
In-Reply-To: <BLU176-DS182C51337E9414B1A7FFADF6760@phx.gbl>
References: <CAJLzs_0XrWkaS6G+n+=+30KFTDmvoMLjzAKujPGs4SEODT+8YQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU176-DS1510B1B06A67331D0B110CF6760@phx.gbl>
	<CAJLzs_1pxpXUy7kWBDui7h0je3M_iHqbCWH+CcNB5GSxVEcwxg@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU176-DS182C51337E9414B1A7FFADF6760@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWauenBk5bQyOEqxG4UKOrNhMMDnQoU8sDQ-kNs6-c1P7g@mail.gmail.com>

I'm joining in late and missed the first part of this, but I also believe
that storing links to files is the better way to do it.

I think I have an adp (or maybe even an mdb) sample that I can send you
that might help.

To  insert the attachment:

1. Grab a PK to relate it to (in one of my examples, I had to attach
pics/pdfs to a machine ID).
2. Create a guid.
3. Copy the file to a secure place on the network (preferably unmapped) ,
renaming it with the guid as the new name (and the old suffix).
4. Insert a record with a replated PK as the FK, the guid, the date/time is
then stamped as well as the entry userID.

I'm a bit tied up at the moment, but if you want I can dig it up, or make a
new one.

David McAfee




On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Dan Waters <df.waters at outlook.com> wrote:

> Hi Bill,
>
> As you mentioned, database size is a significant issue.  Also, I would
> worry
> about two people opening the stored file at the same time, and they both
> want to edit the document.  This would have to be carefully tested to see
> what happens and how you could counter any issues.
>
> I would also guess that the performance could be very slow - Access is not
> the fastest kid on the block and a document would probably be much larger
> than anything else.
>
> Overall, there is just the principle that it's best to let Windows do its
> thing and handle files!
>
> If you get it working - good luck!
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Benson
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:02 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert an ADO Stream (or other) into MICROSOFT
> ACCESS
> OLE Object field
>
> Dan can you give examples of problems and / or give reasons you feel that
> this will be difficult? Does unpacking the files from the dbms cause data
> loss or corruption? Any more so than disk i/o, user error (I remember
> deleting the wrong files every now and then).
>
> I can envision the database size limits for example, constraining how many
> documents can be stored. Also, I think while the code works for sql server,
> I may not find a way to get it done using ADO and an Access backend.
> What other problems are you concerned with?
>
> I have tried DAO + VBA and have had no success either so far, even though
> code samples indicate that should be productive. I have tried ADO and oleDB
> field type, and that doesn't "fail" but is resulting in an empty field in
> the backend. I am starting to wonder whether something is going on. If I
> put
> the path in windows explorer, the file opens fine - so I cannot imagine it
> having anything to do with the path unless, having spaces within it.
> However, I have tried both these
>
> rstAttachment.Fields("FileData").LoadFromFile = strPathDoc
>
> and
>
> rstAttachment.Fields("FileData").LoadFromFile = Chr(34) & strPathDoc &
> Chr(34)
>
> neither of which work.
>
> The ADO Stream method doesn't have any problem reading to populate the
> stream, it is after assignment to the oleDB field that I am seeing nothing
> in the backend, despite that the record is added.
>
>
> On Nov 19, 2014 7:36 PM, "Dan Waters" <df.waters at outlook.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Bill,
> >
> > I've done this many times.  I do not keep the documents in the
> > database, I just keep the path to where the file is stored.  Storing
> > and using the file path is relatively easy.
> >
> > I'm going to guess that what you're trying to do is difficult, and has
> > a potential for problems in production use.
> >
> > HTH,
> > Dan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Benson
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 16:56 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: [AccessD] Insert an ADO Stream (or other) into MICROSOFT
> > ACCESS OLE Object field
> >
> > I was toying with the idea of creating a backend document management
> > database in MS Access. I was going to zip files and then import them
> > into the database table with ADO, using the ADO Stream object.
> >
> > All the below code (which doesnt have the ZIPPING code - but that will
> > be added later) runs fine, and there is no error message. But when I
> > check the contents of the OLE Object field in the record, it is empty.
> >
> > Which makes me quite unhappy, I wrote a lot of code and built a
> > userform dialog assuming this was going to work.
> >
> > I think these streams used to be able to be stored in dbMemo type
> > fields - I am sure I had at one time been successful.
> >
> > I don't think I could even try to think of how to do this with ADO
> > using an Attachments field instead, since I dount ADO knows what that
> > is. In any case, I tried making the field type attachment in Access
> > and the code did not run - runtime error at the assignment of the .Value.
> >
> > I don't think I can get this to run using inlineSQL ("Insert into blah
> > blah"
> > because I don't know what I would use for the "Values ( )" clause.
> >
> > Has anyone succeeded where I am failing?
> >
> > Public Sub Upload()
> > Dim stmFileStream As New ADODB.Stream
> > Dim RS As New ADODB.Recordset
> > Dim oConn As ADODB.Connection
> > Const strPath = "C:\Users\wbenson\Documents\Development\Document
> > Database Project\Doc1.docx"
> > Set oConn = MyConn 'Trust me, this connection works
> >
> > With stmFileStream
> >     .Open
> >     .Type = adTypeBinary
> >     .LoadFromFile strPath
> > End With
> >
> > With RS
> >     .ActiveConnection = oConn
> >     .LockType = adLockOptimistic
> >     .CursorType = adOpenDynamic
> >     .Open "SELECT * FROM Revision Where 1 = 2"
> >     .AddNew
> >     .Fields("File").Value = stmFileStream.Read
> >     .Fields("Path") = strPath
> >     .Update
> >     .Close
> > End With
> > stmFileStream.Close
> > Set stmFileStream = Nothing
> > Set RS = Nothing
> > End Sub
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Thu Nov 20 13:37:32 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 14:37:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Insert an ADO Stream (or other) into MICROSOFT ACCESS
 OLE Object field
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWauenBk5bQyOEqxG4UKOrNhMMDnQoU8sDQ-kNs6-c1P7g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJLzs_0XrWkaS6G+n+=+30KFTDmvoMLjzAKujPGs4SEODT+8YQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU176-DS1510B1B06A67331D0B110CF6760@phx.gbl>
	<CAJLzs_1pxpXUy7kWBDui7h0je3M_iHqbCWH+CcNB5GSxVEcwxg@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU176-DS182C51337E9414B1A7FFADF6760@phx.gbl>
	<CAMhYZWauenBk5bQyOEqxG4UKOrNhMMDnQoU8sDQ-kNs6-c1P7g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_3aA-pOZtgMi7hjobfxJft=YLMT6YLH4_YygkMBjrVFzA@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you David, I will keep it in the back of my mind that you have this
solution - however, I was just working on a proof of concept... that giving
files a round trip between an Access backend and disk, using only VBA, was
doable.

I think I have shown myself it is not easily done, if doable at all.

On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 12:43 PM, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I'm joining in late and missed the first part of this, but I also believe
> that storing links to files is the better way to do it.
>
> I think I have an adp (or maybe even an mdb) sample that I can send you
> that might help.
>
> To  insert the attachment:
>
> 1. Grab a PK to relate it to (in one of my examples, I had to attach
> pics/pdfs to a machine ID).
> 2. Create a guid.
> 3. Copy the file to a secure place on the network (preferably unmapped) ,
> renaming it with the guid as the new name (and the old suffix).
> 4. Insert a record with a replated PK as the FK, the guid, the date/time is
> then stamped as well as the entry userID.
>
> I'm a bit tied up at the moment, but if you want I can dig it up, or make a
> new one.
>
> David McAfee
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Dan Waters <df.waters at outlook.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Bill,
> >
> > As you mentioned, database size is a significant issue.  Also, I would
> > worry
> > about two people opening the stored file at the same time, and they both
> > want to edit the document.  This would have to be carefully tested to see
> > what happens and how you could counter any issues.
> >
> > I would also guess that the performance could be very slow - Access is
> not
> > the fastest kid on the block and a document would probably be much larger
> > than anything else.
> >
> > Overall, there is just the principle that it's best to let Windows do its
> > thing and handle files!
> >
> > If you get it working - good luck!
> > Dan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Benson
> > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:02 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert an ADO Stream (or other) into MICROSOFT
> > ACCESS
> > OLE Object field
> >
> > Dan can you give examples of problems and / or give reasons you feel that
> > this will be difficult? Does unpacking the files from the dbms cause data
> > loss or corruption? Any more so than disk i/o, user error (I remember
> > deleting the wrong files every now and then).
> >
> > I can envision the database size limits for example, constraining how
> many
> > documents can be stored. Also, I think while the code works for sql
> server,
> > I may not find a way to get it done using ADO and an Access backend.
> > What other problems are you concerned with?
> >
> > I have tried DAO + VBA and have had no success either so far, even though
> > code samples indicate that should be productive. I have tried ADO and
> oleDB
> > field type, and that doesn't "fail" but is resulting in an empty field in
> > the backend. I am starting to wonder whether something is going on. If I
> > put
> > the path in windows explorer, the file opens fine - so I cannot imagine
> it
> > having anything to do with the path unless, having spaces within it.
> > However, I have tried both these
> >
> > rstAttachment.Fields("FileData").LoadFromFile = strPathDoc
> >
> > and
> >
> > rstAttachment.Fields("FileData").LoadFromFile = Chr(34) & strPathDoc &
> > Chr(34)
> >
> > neither of which work.
> >
> > The ADO Stream method doesn't have any problem reading to populate the
> > stream, it is after assignment to the oleDB field that I am seeing
> nothing
> > in the backend, despite that the record is added.
> >
> >
> > On Nov 19, 2014 7:36 PM, "Dan Waters" <df.waters at outlook.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Bill,
> > >
> > > I've done this many times.  I do not keep the documents in the
> > > database, I just keep the path to where the file is stored.  Storing
> > > and using the file path is relatively easy.
> > >
> > > I'm going to guess that what you're trying to do is difficult, and has
> > > a potential for problems in production use.
> > >
> > > HTH,
> > > Dan
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Benson
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 16:56 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Insert an ADO Stream (or other) into MICROSOFT
> > > ACCESS OLE Object field
> > >
> > > I was toying with the idea of creating a backend document management
> > > database in MS Access. I was going to zip files and then import them
> > > into the database table with ADO, using the ADO Stream object.
> > >
> > > All the below code (which doesnt have the ZIPPING code - but that will
> > > be added later) runs fine, and there is no error message. But when I
> > > check the contents of the OLE Object field in the record, it is empty.
> > >
> > > Which makes me quite unhappy, I wrote a lot of code and built a
> > > userform dialog assuming this was going to work.
> > >
> > > I think these streams used to be able to be stored in dbMemo type
> > > fields - I am sure I had at one time been successful.
> > >
> > > I don't think I could even try to think of how to do this with ADO
> > > using an Attachments field instead, since I dount ADO knows what that
> > > is. In any case, I tried making the field type attachment in Access
> > > and the code did not run - runtime error at the assignment of the
> .Value.
> > >
> > > I don't think I can get this to run using inlineSQL ("Insert into blah
> > > blah"
> > > because I don't know what I would use for the "Values ( )" clause.
> > >
> > > Has anyone succeeded where I am failing?
> > >
> > > Public Sub Upload()
> > > Dim stmFileStream As New ADODB.Stream
> > > Dim RS As New ADODB.Recordset
> > > Dim oConn As ADODB.Connection
> > > Const strPath = "C:\Users\wbenson\Documents\Development\Document
> > > Database Project\Doc1.docx"
> > > Set oConn = MyConn 'Trust me, this connection works
> > >
> > > With stmFileStream
> > >     .Open
> > >     .Type = adTypeBinary
> > >     .LoadFromFile strPath
> > > End With
> > >
> > > With RS
> > >     .ActiveConnection = oConn
> > >     .LockType = adLockOptimistic
> > >     .CursorType = adOpenDynamic
> > >     .Open "SELECT * FROM Revision Where 1 = 2"
> > >     .AddNew
> > >     .Fields("File").Value = stmFileStream.Read
> > >     .Fields("Path") = strPath
> > >     .Update
> > >     .Close
> > > End With
> > > stmFileStream.Close
> > > Set stmFileStream = Nothing
> > > Set RS = Nothing
> > > End Sub
> > > --
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Fri Nov 28 18:51:45 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 19:51:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Confused by One to Many versus One to One
Message-ID: <007201d00b6e$a6a2f570$f3e8e050$@gmail.com>

I almost never make relationships one to one, and yet my databases always
seem to "work." By work, I mean that I never seem to run into situations
where I cannot accomplish what I want to, in terms of record insertion,
queries, etc. So I now have a situation where maybe that is not a good idea.

 

I have Order and Product tables, one order can contain many products. So I
required an OrderProducts table to distribute the same OrderID across
numerous ProductIDs.

 

My question is, should the relationship between the Order and OrderProduct,
on the OrderID and FKOrderID, be 1-to-1, or 1-to-many?

 

Likewise, the same question for the OrderProduct and the Product, on the
ProductID and the FKProductID?

 

 


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Nov 28 18:57:12 2014
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 16:57:12 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Confused by One to Many versus One to One
In-Reply-To: <007201d00b6e$a6a2f570$f3e8e050$@gmail.com>
References: <007201d00b6e$a6a2f570$f3e8e050$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D9C76725EBA7493AA4C742F174FFC3DD@HAL9007>

IIUC:

Order table to OrderProduct table should be 1 to many (Order table PK,
OrderProduct table FK) as you can have many products in one order.

Product table to OrderProduct table should be one to many (Product table PK,
Order Product FK) should be one to many as one product can appear in many
OrderProduct records.

HTH

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com
www.e-z-mrp.com
Skype: rocky.smolin
 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Benson
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 4:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Confused by One to Many versus One to One

I almost never make relationships one to one, and yet my databases always
seem to "work." By work, I mean that I never seem to run into situations
where I cannot accomplish what I want to, in terms of record insertion,
queries, etc. So I now have a situation where maybe that is not a good idea.

 

I have Order and Product tables, one order can contain many products. So I
required an OrderProducts table to distribute the same OrderID across
numerous ProductIDs.

 

My question is, should the relationship between the Order and OrderProduct,
on the OrderID and FKOrderID, be 1-to-1, or 1-to-many?

 

Likewise, the same question for the OrderProduct and the Product, on the
ProductID and the FKProductID?

 

 

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From djkr at msn.com  Fri Nov 28 19:02:47 2014
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK (John) Robinson)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 01:02:47 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Confused by One to Many versus One to One
In-Reply-To: <007201d00b6e$a6a2f570$f3e8e050$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU437-SMTP956883FAFF113AD029713BD27F0@phx.gbl>

I guess you're allowing many products to be ordered on one order, with consequentially many entries in the OrderProduct
table corresponding to the one in the Order table.

Is this helping to answer your question?

John


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Benson
Sent: 29 November 2014 00:52
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Confused by One to Many versus One to One


I almost never make relationships one to one, and yet my databases always seem to "work." By work, I mean that I never
seem to run into situations where I cannot accomplish what I want to, in terms of record insertion, queries, etc. So I
now have a situation where maybe that is not a good idea.

 

I have Order and Product tables, one order can contain many products. So I required an OrderProducts table to distribute
the same OrderID across numerous ProductIDs.

 

My question is, should the relationship between the Order and OrderProduct, on the OrderID and FKOrderID, be 1-to-1, or
1-to-many?

 

Likewise, the same question for the OrderProduct and the Product, on the ProductID and the FKProductID?

 

 

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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Fri Nov 28 19:08:19 2014
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 20:08:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Confused by One to Many versus One to One
In-Reply-To: <007201d00b6e$a6a2f570$f3e8e050$@gmail.com>
References: <007201d00b6e$a6a2f570$f3e8e050$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAtbYWYj=E25+AVmOFpthRSTW9xC=bXwrekmf4YXyp1FAQ@mail.gmail.com>

Typically the table you mention is called the OrderDetail table. Records in
the table are often referenced as LineItems.

a Customer  can make 1 or Many Orders
an Order can contain 1 or Many OrderDetails
an OrderDetail refers to a Product
a Product may refer to 1 or Many OrderDetails

In this set up an OrderDetail should reference the related Order (FK), the
product involved, the quantity of Product involved and the AgreedTo Price
per unit of Product involved.

There is a set of free videos on youtube that are often referenced.
Quality is so-so, but the message is good.
See https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL196FE5448948D9B4

Good luck.

On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 7:51 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com> wrote:

> I almost never make relationships one to one, and yet my databases always
> seem to "work." By work, I mean that I never seem to run into situations
> where I cannot accomplish what I want to, in terms of record insertion,
> queries, etc. So I now have a situation where maybe that is not a good
> idea.
>
>
>
> I have Order and Product tables, one order can contain many products. So I
> required an OrderProducts table to distribute the same OrderID across
> numerous ProductIDs.
>
>
>
> My question is, should the relationship between the Order and OrderProduct,
> on the OrderID and FKOrderID, be 1-to-1, or 1-to-many?
>
>
>
> Likewise, the same question for the OrderProduct and the Product, on the
> ProductID and the FKProductID?
>
>
>
>
>
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From djkr at msn.com  Fri Nov 28 19:21:23 2014
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK (John) Robinson)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 01:21:23 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Confused by One to Many versus One to One
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAtbYWYj=E25+AVmOFpthRSTW9xC=bXwrekmf4YXyp1FAQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU437-SMTP41980CF9FE71C453D1C750D27F0@phx.gbl>

I disagree your fourth point:  a Product does not refer to 1 or Many OrderDetails

A Product may be referred to BY 1 or Many OrderDetails, or by none at all.

John


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack drawbridge
Sent: 29 November 2014 01:08
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Confused by One to Many versus One to One


Typically the table you mention is called the OrderDetail table. Records in the table are often referenced as LineItems.

a Customer  can make 1 or Many Orders
an Order can contain 1 or Many OrderDetails
an OrderDetail refers to a Product
a Product may refer to 1 or Many OrderDetails

In this set up an OrderDetail should reference the related Order (FK), the product involved, the quantity of Product
involved and the AgreedTo Price per unit of Product involved.

There is a set of free videos on youtube that are often referenced. Quality is so-so, but the message is good. See
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL196FE5448948D9B4

Good luck.

On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 7:51 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com> wrote:

> I almost never make relationships one to one, and yet my databases 
> always seem to "work." By work, I mean that I never seem to run into 
> situations where I cannot accomplish what I want to, in terms of 
> record insertion, queries, etc. So I now have a situation where maybe 
> that is not a good idea.
>
>
>
> I have Order and Product tables, one order can contain many products. 
> So I required an OrderProducts table to distribute the same OrderID 
> across numerous ProductIDs.
>
>
>
> My question is, should the relationship between the Order and 
> OrderProduct, on the OrderID and FKOrderID, be 1-to-1, or 1-to-many?
>
>
>
> Likewise, the same question for the OrderProduct and the Product, on 
> the ProductID and the FKProductID?
>
>
>
>
>
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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Fri Nov 28 19:27:36 2014
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 20:27:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Confused by One to Many versus One to One
In-Reply-To: <BLU437-SMTP41980CF9FE71C453D1C750D27F0@phx.gbl>
References: <CAKvidAtbYWYj=E25+AVmOFpthRSTW9xC=bXwrekmf4YXyp1FAQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU437-SMTP41980CF9FE71C453D1C750D27F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAt2QPbVX1dqb50t7pthJsHEw=OAkfEStGSd593+hipRDw@mail.gmail.com>

Agreed.

On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 8:21 PM, DJK (John) Robinson <djkr at msn.com> wrote:

> I disagree your fourth point:  a Product does not refer to 1 or Many
> OrderDetails
>
> A Product may be referred to BY 1 or Many OrderDetails, or by none at all.
>
> John
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack drawbridge
> Sent: 29 November 2014 01:08
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Confused by One to Many versus One to One
>
>
> Typically the table you mention is called the OrderDetail table. Records
> in the table are often referenced as LineItems.
>
> a Customer  can make 1 or Many Orders
> an Order can contain 1 or Many OrderDetails
> an OrderDetail refers to a Product
> a Product may refer to 1 or Many OrderDetails
>
> In this set up an OrderDetail should reference the related Order (FK), the
> product involved, the quantity of Product
> involved and the AgreedTo Price per unit of Product involved.
>
> There is a set of free videos on youtube that are often referenced.
> Quality is so-so, but the message is good. See
> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL196FE5448948D9B4
>
> Good luck.
>
> On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 7:51 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I almost never make relationships one to one, and yet my databases
> > always seem to "work." By work, I mean that I never seem to run into
> > situations where I cannot accomplish what I want to, in terms of
> > record insertion, queries, etc. So I now have a situation where maybe
> > that is not a good idea.
> >
> >
> >
> > I have Order and Product tables, one order can contain many products.
> > So I required an OrderProducts table to distribute the same OrderID
> > across numerous ProductIDs.
> >
> >
> >
> > My question is, should the relationship between the Order and
> > OrderProduct, on the OrderID and FKOrderID, be 1-to-1, or 1-to-many?
> >
> >
> >
> > Likewise, the same question for the OrderProduct and the Product, on
> > the ProductID and the FKProductID?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Sun Nov 30 13:57:15 2014
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 14:57:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Confused by One to Many versus One to One
In-Reply-To: <007201d00b6e$a6a2f570$f3e8e050$@gmail.com>
References: <007201d00b6e$a6a2f570$f3e8e050$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5413F93F418A47539AFD62297D39AEDA@XPS>

Bill,

 It's pretty rare to have a 1 to 1.  Pretty much everything will be a 1 to M
or a M to M.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Benson
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 07:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Confused by One to Many versus One to One

I almost never make relationships one to one, and yet my databases always
seem to "work." By work, I mean that I never seem to run into situations
where I cannot accomplish what I want to, in terms of record insertion,
queries, etc. So I now have a situation where maybe that is not a good idea.

 

I have Order and Product tables, one order can contain many products. So I
required an OrderProducts table to distribute the same OrderID across
numerous ProductIDs.

 

My question is, should the relationship between the Order and OrderProduct,
on the OrderID and FKOrderID, be 1-to-1, or 1-to-many?

 

Likewise, the same question for the OrderProduct and the Product, on the
ProductID and the FKProductID?

 

 

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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Sun Nov 30 14:24:31 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 15:24:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Why isn't an index created in the referencing table - or
	why can't I discover it in design view?
Message-ID: <034001d00cdb$a6f2de50$f4d89af0$@gmail.com>

I am probably going to have more than one question while poring over this
document:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb177503.aspx

 

My first is that I cannot seem to validate the 2nd of the two sentences in
this sentence pair:

"When you enforce referential integrity, a unique index must already exist
for the key field of the referenced table. THE MICROSOFT ACCESS DATABASE
ENGINE AUTOMATICALLY CREATES AN INDEX WITH THE FOREIGN PROPERTY SET TO ACT
AS THE FOREIGN KEY IN THE REFERENCING TABLE.

 

I have tried this repeatedly in the Relationships window with Table1 and
Table2, where Table1 is the referenced table having pk Table1ID, and trying
to set the relationship by linking that key field to the field
Table2.FKTable1_ID, with referential integrity. I look in the design view,
Indexes, for Table2 (the referencing table) and I do not see any indexes
created there.

 

 


From bensonforums at gmail.com  Sun Nov 30 14:40:45 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 15:40:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Why isn't an index created in the referencing table -
	or why can't I discover it in design view?
In-Reply-To: <034001d00cdb$a6f2de50$f4d89af0$@gmail.com>
References: <034001d00cdb$a6f2de50$f4d89af0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <037401d00cdd$eb036b80$c10a4280$@gmail.com>

Oh now this is interesting. The documentation says ". creates . in the
referencing table" and so I decided to skip design view and go right the
immediate window to test

 

 
?currentdb.tabledefs(currentdb.Relations(2).ForeignTable).Indexes(1).Name 

Result:   Table1Table2

 

. which is the name of the relationship showing in MSysRelationships.

 

So the issue is not that no index is created - it is that the index created
is not visible!  I have closed the database and re-opened it and no matter
what, am not able to see Table1Table2 in the Indexes view for Table2, but
can see that relationship in the MSysRelationshipstable, with szObject =
Table2, can see the relationship in the Relationships window, and can access
it through Table2's Indexes collection.

 

This appears to me to be a bug in the Design window.

 

 

 

 

 

From: Bill Benson [mailto:bensonforums at gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 3:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Why isn't an index created in the referencing table - or why can't
I discover it in design view?

 

I am probably going to have more than one question while poring over this
document:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb177503.aspx

 

My first is that I cannot seem to validate the 2nd of the two sentences in
this sentence pair:

"When you enforce referential integrity, a unique index must already exist
for the key field of the referenced table. THE MICROSOFT ACCESS DATABASE
ENGINE AUTOMATICALLY CREATES AN INDEX WITH THE FOREIGN PROPERTY SET TO ACT
AS THE FOREIGN KEY IN THE REFERENCING TABLE.

 

I have tried this repeatedly in the Relationships window with Table1 and
Table2, where Table1 is the referenced table having pk Table1ID, and trying
to set the relationship by linking that key field to the field
Table2.FKTable1_ID, with referential integrity. I look in the design view,
Indexes, for Table2 (the referencing table) and I do not see any indexes
created there.

 

 


From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Nov 30 15:06:32 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 21:06:32 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Why isn't an index created in the referencing table -
 or why can't I discover it in design view?
In-Reply-To: <037401d00cdd$eb036b80$c10a4280$@gmail.com>
References: <034001d00cdb$a6f2de50$f4d89af0$@gmail.com>,
	<037401d00cdd$eb036b80$c10a4280$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1417381591899.74037@cactus.dk>

Hi Bill

No, this is not a bug. Except if you mean that creating a hidden index even if an identical and visible index already exists is a bug.
It has been like this "always". Don't forget that Access is for end users.

/gustav

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Sendt: 30. november 2014 21:40
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Why isn't an index created in the referencing table - or why can't I discover it in design view?

Oh now this is interesting. The documentation says ". creates . in the referencing table" and so I decided to skip design view and go right the immediate window to test

?currentdb.tabledefs(currentdb.Relations(2).ForeignTable).Indexes(1).Name

Result:   Table1Table2

. which is the name of the relationship showing in MSysRelationships.

So the issue is not that no index is created - it is that the index created is not visible!  I have closed the database and re-opened it and no matter what, am not able to see Table1Table2 in the Indexes view for Table2, but can see that relationship in the MSysRelationshipstable, with szObject = Table2, can see the relationship in the Relationships window, and can access it through Table2's Indexes collection.

This appears to me to be a bug in the Design window.

From: Bill Benson [mailto:bensonforums at gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 3:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Why isn't an index created in the referencing table - or why can't
I discover it in design view?

I am probably going to have more than one question while poring over this document:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb177503.aspx

My first is that I cannot seem to validate the 2nd of the two sentences in this sentence pair:

"When you enforce referential integrity, a unique index must already exist for the key field of the referenced table. THE MICROSOFT ACCESS DATABASE ENGINE AUTOMATICALLY CREATES AN INDEX WITH THE FOREIGN PROPERTY SET TO ACT AS THE FOREIGN KEY IN THE REFERENCING TABLE.

I have tried this repeatedly in the Relationships window with Table1 and Table2, where Table1 is the referenced table having pk Table1ID, and trying to set the relationship by linking that key field to the field Table2.FKTable1_ID, with referential integrity. I look in the design view, Indexes, for Table2 (the referencing table) and I do not see any indexes created there.


From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Sun Nov 30 16:40:25 2014
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 11:40:25 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Report footer at Page Bottom
Message-ID: <001801d00cee$a31b9cf0$e952d6d0$@dalyn.co.nz>

Hi Listers,

 

Does anyone have some simple code that puts the report footer at the bottom
of the last page.  I don't want to use the page footer section, just the
report footer section.

 

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand

 

 


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Nov 30 17:23:00 2014
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 09:23:00 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Why isn't an index created in the referencing table -
	or why can't I discover it in design view?
In-Reply-To: <037401d00cdd$eb036b80$c10a4280$@gmail.com>
References: <034001d00cdb$a6f2de50$f4d89af0$@gmail.com>,
	<037401d00cdd$eb036b80$c10a4280$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <547BA6D4.22142.3308A2FE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

It has always been thus!  The index really is "hidden". :(

On 30 Nov 2014 at 15:40, Bill Benson wrote:

> Oh now this is interesting. The documentation says ". creates . in the
> referencing table" and so I decided to skip design view and go right
> the immediate window to test
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ?currentdb.tabledefs(currentdb.Relations(2).ForeignTable).Indexes(1).N
> ame 
> 
> Result:   Table1Table2
> 
> 
> 
> . which is the name of the relationship showing in MSysRelationships.
> 
> 
> 
> So the issue is not that no index is created - it is that the index
> created is not visible!  I have closed the database and re-opened it
> and no matter what, am not able to see Table1Table2 in the Indexes
> view for Table2, but can see that relationship in the
> MSysRelationshipstable, with szObject = Table2, can see the
> relationship in the Relationships window, and can access it through
> Table2's Indexes collection.
> 
> 
> 
> This appears to me to be a bug in the Design window.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Bill Benson [mailto:bensonforums at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 3:25 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Why isn't an index created in the referencing table - or why
> can't I discover it in design view?
> 
> 
> 
> I am probably going to have more than one question while poring over
> this document:
> 
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb177503.aspx
> 
> 
> 
> My first is that I cannot seem to validate the 2nd of the two
> sentences in this sentence pair:
> 
> "When you enforce referential integrity, a unique index must already
> exist for the key field of the referenced table. THE MICROSOFT ACCESS
> DATABASE ENGINE AUTOMATICALLY CREATES AN INDEX WITH THE FOREIGN
> PROPERTY SET TO ACT AS THE FOREIGN KEY IN THE REFERENCING TABLE.
> 
> 
> 
> I have tried this repeatedly in the Relationships window with Table1
> and Table2, where Table1 is the referenced table having pk Table1ID,
> and trying to set the relationship by linking that key field to the
> field Table2.FKTable1_ID, with referential integrity. I look in the
> design view, Indexes, for Table2 (the referencing table) and I do not
> see any indexes created there.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Sun Nov 30 18:28:14 2014
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 19:28:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Why isn't an index created in the referencing table
	-	or why can't I discover it in design view?
In-Reply-To: <547BA6D4.22142.3308A2FE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <034001d00cdb$a6f2de50$f4d89af0$@gmail.com>,
	<037401d00cdd$eb036b80$c10a4280$@gmail.com>
	<547BA6D4.22142.3308A2FE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <03da01d00cfd$b31ebe20$195c3a60$@gmail.com>

Thanks Stuart. It's weird, so many times I open my tables and see indexes
that I did not even create, useless pk names that are duplicates of the
(quite sufficient) primarykey index, and the occasional odd FKBlahBlah index
which I myself did not create (or was not substance-free if/when I did), and
I go ahead and delete them. But the one time I know there ought to be a real
index - created by MS Functionality - they go ahead and make it visible...
and there does not even appear to be a property I can manipulate to make it
visible?? I have to wonder then, what makes some indexes visible and others
not, and where this property is accessible if at all...

Thanks again!

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 6:23 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Why isn't an index created in the referencing table -
or why can't I discover it in design view?

It has always been thus!  The index really is "hidden". :(

On 30 Nov 2014 at 15:40, Bill Benson wrote:

> Oh now this is interesting. The documentation says ". creates . in the 
> referencing table" and so I decided to skip design view and go right 
> the immediate window to test
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ?currentdb.tabledefs(currentdb.Relations(2).ForeignTable).Indexes(1).N
> ame
> 
> Result:   Table1Table2
> 
> 
> 
> . which is the name of the relationship showing in MSysRelationships.
> 
> 
> 
> So the issue is not that no index is created - it is that the index 
> created is not visible!  I have closed the database and re-opened it 
> and no matter what, am not able to see Table1Table2 in the Indexes 
> view for Table2, but can see that relationship in the 
> MSysRelationshipstable, with szObject = Table2, can see the 
> relationship in the Relationships window, and can access it through 
> Table2's Indexes collection.
> 
> 
> 
> This appears to me to be a bug in the Design window.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Bill Benson [mailto:bensonforums at gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 3:25 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Why isn't an index created in the referencing table - or why 
> can't I discover it in design view?
> 
> 
> 
> I am probably going to have more than one question while poring over 
> this document:
> 
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb177503.aspx
> 
> 
> 
> My first is that I cannot seem to validate the 2nd of the two 
> sentences in this sentence pair:
> 
> "When you enforce referential integrity, a unique index must already 
> exist for the key field of the referenced table. THE MICROSOFT ACCESS 
> DATABASE ENGINE AUTOMATICALLY CREATES AN INDEX WITH THE FOREIGN 
> PROPERTY SET TO ACT AS THE FOREIGN KEY IN THE REFERENCING TABLE.
> 
> 
> 
> I have tried this repeatedly in the Relationships window with Table1 
> and Table2, where Table1 is the referenced table having pk Table1ID, 
> and trying to set the relationship by linking that key field to the 
> field Table2.FKTable1_ID, with referential integrity. I look in the 
> design view, Indexes, for Table2 (the referencing table) and I do not 
> see any indexes created there.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Sun Nov 30 18:39:34 2014
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 19:39:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Why isn't an index created in the referencing table
 -	or why can't I discover it in design view?
In-Reply-To: <037401d00cdd$eb036b80$c10a4280$@gmail.com>
References: <034001d00cdb$a6f2de50$f4d89af0$@gmail.com>
	<037401d00cdd$eb036b80$c10a4280$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5E124678F58D4600A38C5F84763F082C@XPS>

Bill,

 As the others have said, this is not a bug and it is hidden.  Where it
usually gets you is when you hit the 32 index limit.

 It's always nice to be able to walk in and get measurable gains without
doing much other than deleting the duplicate indexes.

 Also note that it is only if you enforce RI.   Doing a relationship alone
doesn't do it.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Benson
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 03:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Why isn't an index created in the referencing table -
or why can't I discover it in design view?

Oh now this is interesting. The documentation says ". creates . in the
referencing table" and so I decided to skip design view and go right the
immediate window to test

 

 
?currentdb.tabledefs(currentdb.Relations(2).ForeignTable).Indexes(1).Name 

Result:   Table1Table2

 

. which is the name of the relationship showing in MSysRelationships.

 

So the issue is not that no index is created - it is that the index created
is not visible!  I have closed the database and re-opened it and no matter
what, am not able to see Table1Table2 in the Indexes view for Table2, but
can see that relationship in the MSysRelationshipstable, with szObject =
Table2, can see the relationship in the Relationships window, and can access
it through Table2's Indexes collection.

 

This appears to me to be a bug in the Design window.

 

 

 

 

 

From: Bill Benson [mailto:bensonforums at gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 3:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Why isn't an index created in the referencing table - or why can't
I discover it in design view?

 

I am probably going to have more than one question while poring over this
document:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb177503.aspx

 

My first is that I cannot seem to validate the 2nd of the two sentences in
this sentence pair:

"When you enforce referential integrity, a unique index must already exist
for the key field of the referenced table. THE MICROSOFT ACCESS DATABASE
ENGINE AUTOMATICALLY CREATES AN INDEX WITH THE FOREIGN PROPERTY SET TO ACT
AS THE FOREIGN KEY IN THE REFERENCING TABLE.

 

I have tried this repeatedly in the Relationships window with Table1 and
Table2, where Table1 is the referenced table having pk Table1ID, and trying
to set the relationship by linking that key field to the field
Table2.FKTable1_ID, with referential integrity. I look in the design view,
Indexes, for Table2 (the referencing table) and I do not see any indexes
created there.

 

 

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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Sun Nov 30 18:47:37 2014
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 16:47:37 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Report footer at Page Bottom
In-Reply-To: <001801d00cee$a31b9cf0$e952d6d0$@dalyn.co.nz>
References: <001801d00cee$a31b9cf0$e952d6d0$@dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_Gm5arzk9RnuWNY2xO2GiCEUJ=_uhkU5y9bhF4YnQ9zQ@mail.gmail.com>

The report footer is always going to print immediately after the report.
If you want it at the bottom of the page, you need to use the page footer.
Alternatively you can put a dummy subreport on the report and force it to a
size that will move the report footer to the bottom.  That requires more
care and feeding than it's worth.

Chafrlotte

On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 2:40 PM, David Emerson <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz> wrote:

> Hi Listers,
>
>
>
> Does anyone have some simple code that puts the report footer at the bottom
> of the last page.  I don't want to use the page footer section, just the
> report footer section.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> David Emerson
> Dalyn Software Ltd
> Wellington, New Zealand
>
>
>
>
>
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>

From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Sun Nov 30 22:46:27 2014
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 17:46:27 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Report footer at Page Bottom
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met_Gm5arzk9RnuWNY2xO2GiCEUJ=_uhkU5y9bhF4YnQ9zQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001801d00cee$a31b9cf0$e952d6d0$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<CAH+Met_Gm5arzk9RnuWNY2xO2GiCEUJ=_uhkU5y9bhF4YnQ9zQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000f01d00d21$c4f05130$4ed0f390$@dalyn.co.nz>

Thanks Charlotte,
I have seen some code by Microsoft for putting it at the bottom of the last
page but it seemed to cover more situations than what I wanted.
Because the text I want is higher than what I want to allow for a page
footer on every page it would waste too much space on all the pages before
the last one.
Back to the drawing board.
Regards
David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, 1 December 2014 1:48 p.m.
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 Report footer at Page Bottom

The report footer is always going to print immediately after the report.
If you want it at the bottom of the page, you need to use the page footer.
Alternatively you can put a dummy subreport on the report and force it to a
size that will move the report footer to the bottom.  That requires more
care and feeding than it's worth.

Chafrlotte

On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 2:40 PM, David Emerson <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz> wrote:

> Hi Listers,
>>
> Does anyone have some simple code that puts the report footer at the 
> bottom of the last page.  I don't want to use the page footer section, 
> just the report footer section.
>>
> Regards
>
> David Emerson
> Dalyn Software Ltd
> Wellington, New Zealand