jack drawbridge
jackandpat.d at gmail.com
Sun Jan 18 13:52:00 CST 2015
Thanks for the heads up Shamil. I've been retired for a few years. My
interest is really just for some reading and possible "playing". I'm on a
few forums just to keep up a few database skills.
Rather than DEEP, I sort of skim the surface-- pardon the pun.
Jack
On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
wrote:
> Jack,
>
> As I have already noted I can send you the articles off-line if I'll find
> them in my archives.
>
> Please be *very careful* *do not try* to create any advanced applications
> frameworks in MS Access/VBA using MVC pattern.
> In my opinion it should be now (and then - the times the articles was
> first published) more academic training in using MVC pattern in VBA than
> anything else, It's not worth trying to make and use such a framework in
> real life VBA applications as VBA (IMO) is not suited for advanced
> (application frameworks) development.
>
> In general:
>
> In my opinion application frameworks development should be a dedicated
> business not a by-side project within custom software development projects.
> Application frameworks are often becoming "binding frameworks" making your
> custom software inflexible.
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- Shamil
>
>
> Sun, 18 Jan 2015 14:12:11 -0500 from jack drawbridge <
> jackandpat.d at gmail.com>:
> >Thank you Shamil for the links. Are you saying there is no link to your
> >article? I saw in a couple of things I found, that included reference to
> >...to be continued..
> >I did find code (not many comments) that referred to Access '97.
> >
> >Thank you again,
> >
> >Jack
> >
> >
> >On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru >
> >wrote:
> >
> >> I'm not flattering Charlotte, I'm just simply stating the obvious.
> >>
> >> Deep thanks, for your remembering my "DEEP" article, Charlotte! ;)
> >>
> >> Well, it ("DEEP-objects concept" article, 1998) was (a bit) naïve but it
> >> was conceptually correct, actually it was (a "reinvention of the
> wheel",) a
> >> variety of MVC software design pattern implementations. When
> publishing my
> >> article I was unaware that MVC pattern was first introduced in 1976 (
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model%E2%80%93view%E2%80%93controller )
> and
> >> described in details in 1995 by "Gang of four" (
> >> http://www.blackwasp.co.uk/GofPatterns.aspx ). I should have known
> that
> >> previous works.
> >>
> >> And you see MVC (pun intended :) ) software design pattern is applied
> >> everywhere nowadays
> >>
> >> - ASP.NET MVC 5 (
> >>
> http://dotnetcodes.com/dotnetcodes/code/Interview-Questions-129-ASPNET-MVC-Overview.aspx
> >> ) l
> >>
> >> - AngularJS (well it's MVW :) -
> >> http://job-blog.bullgare.ru/2013/07/angularjs-mvc-or-mvvm/ )
> >>
> >> - Cocoa (
> >>
> https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/General/Conceptual/DevPedia-CocoaCore/MVC.html
> >> )
> >> ...
> >>
> >> but it still a real PITA to apply MVC pattern in MS Access VBA-driven
> apps
> >> as VBA is not well suited for advanced custom software development and
> will
> >> probably never be.
> >>
> >> Thank you.
> >>
> >> -- Shamil
> >> <<< skipped >>>
> >
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