Jim Lawrence
accessd at shaw.ca
Mon Jan 19 12:37:44 CST 2015
Well said. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2015 1:33:08 AM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Applications Running Under Access 2013Runtime Arthur, With business, it's time and money vs. reward. Windows 7 runs remarkably well and if you strip away the tile UI in Windows 8, you basically are left with Windows 7. There's nothing particularly compelling in Win 8 to make you want to switch. Windows 7 is another Windows XP; your going to find folks running it well past extended support unless Windows 10 is a killer. But back to 8; you forget that 8.1 came out well after the release of 8.0 and until then, you had to deal with the tile UI. You were given no choice and with everything you did, you were constantly getting tossed back to it. As a result, you were forced to work with two very different UI's. One was very familiar, the other required learning a whole new set of gestures, movements, ways of working etc. The tile UI did work way better with touch, but Microsoft was naïve in thinking everyone was going to go out and buy a new monitor and spend more on top of what they normally would to make it touch just so they could use windows 8. On a phone or tablet Win 8 made perfect sense, but not for a desktop, which is the way most of the business world works. There was also the problem with the tile UI itself, the complaint most often being that it was "too busy". As part of its interface guidelines, Microsoft stated that no tile should update itself no more than once every thirty minutes. Well guess what? They themselves turned around and immediately released a number of apps that updated every four minutes, and along with everyone else that did the same in order to say "hey look at me, use me", it quickly got to the point where it was overwhelming to use. Everything was begging for your attention. It was like being in a crowed room with everyone yelling for attention all at once. So no one really liked it. You yourself said it; as soon as you could dump the tile UI you did. Microsoft might have had a shot with Win 8 had they released 8.1 sooner, but by the time they did it was way too late. Everyone had already decided to wait for the next best thing and put their budget dollars else where. The other thing that worked against them is that because of the success of XP, it was only slightly prior to the release of 8 that business had mostly gotten off XP onto 7. Even if 8 had been a "must have" OS, businesses were not yet ready for another upgrade cycle. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2015 06:42 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Applications Running Under Access 2013Runtime Jim, I frankly confess that I do not understand the vehement objections to Windows 8+. As soon as I figured out how to sidestep the tile-UI, everything provided has proved way better than Win7 (although I still run Win7 on my tower). I've configured both laptop and desk-tower to recognize the shared drives on both boxes, and on the Win 8.1 laptop I never see the tiles UI, so I really don't see the problem. It's drop-dead simple to bypass the tiles-UI and after that, the W8.1 is way better than any previous Winstallation. I just don't get all the whining and bitching about Win8+. As far as I'm concerned, it's way better than previous editions. Mind you, I have set it up to mostly ignore the tiles UI, and that is drop-dead simple to implement, but once having got there, the 8.1 implementation far outclasses all previous implementations, IMO. On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote: > Well it's about to get a bit interesting; note that they have not set a > date yet for ending windows 7 professional pre-installed. > > That's a nod to the fact that no one in the business world wants win 8. > Everyone is waiting for 10. > > Jim > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 9, 2015, at 6:42 PM, Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Windows 7 reaches the END OF MAINSTREAM SUPPORT next Tuesday. > > > > http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle > > > > GK > > > >> On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Brad Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com> > wrote: > >> Gustav, > >> > >> Thanks for your feedback regarding the running of our existing Access > applications under Access 2013 Runtime (32-bit). > >> > >> As far as Win-7 Vs Win-8. I have done some experiments at home with > Win-8. So far, things work nicely. We have had a few discussions about > Win-8 at work, but there is some concern that the users will not like the > new user interface. > >> > >> Brad > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > >> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 4:45 PM > >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Applications Running Under Access > 2013 Runtime > >> > >> Hi Brad > >> > >> It should work with little or no changes, but why mocking around with > Windows 7? I don't get it. Windows 8 is three years old now and Windows 10 > is around the corner. > >> > >> /gustav > >> > >> ________________________________________ > >> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com < > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> på vegne af Brad Marks < > bradm at blackforestltd.com> > >> Sendt: 9. januar 2015 22:20 > >> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > >> Emne: [AccessD] Access 2007 Applications Running Under Access 2013 > Runtime > >> > >> All, > >> > >> I have developed a number of Access applications using Access 2007. > >> > >> These applications run nicely under both Access 2007 Runtime and Access > 2010 Runtime (Both using 32-bit). > >> > >> We are looking into a possible purchase of some new HP PCs which will > come with Windows-7 Pro and Office 2013. > >> > >> I have also looked at the Microsoft website where I can download Access > 2013 Runtime (32-bit). > >> > >> Will I run into problems trying to run these Access applications under > Access 2013 Runtime (32-bit)? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Brad > >> -- > >> AccessD mailing list > >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > >> -- > >> AccessD mailing list > >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > -- > > Gary Kjos > > garykjos at gmail.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com