From fahooper at gmail.com  Mon Nov  2 09:47:26 2015
From: fahooper at gmail.com (Fred Hooper)
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2015 10:47:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Anyone used dbSync?
Message-ID: <5637858E.1060705@gmail.com>

I found this product: https://dbconvert.com/access/mssql/, which claims
to keep an Access database in sync with a SQL Server database. Has
anyone used it?

I'm converting the record-keeping program for my brother-in-law's
software program from an Access back end to a SQL Server back end. If
the program works as described, it would reduce the risk of the switchover.

I'm not interested in their convert product as I've written something
I'm happy with and that gives me control at the points where I need it.
As I have plenty of time right now, I've tried every permutation of how
to link the front and back end that I've read or thought of; this was
necessary as the first test of simple links to SQL Server brought a
critical form from 10 seconds to 3 minutes -- so I did a lot of
rethinking. If anyone is interested I'd be happy to provide more detail.

Thanks,
Fred


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Mon Nov  2 10:59:10 2015
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 08:59:10 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Anyone used dbSync?
In-Reply-To: <5637858E.1060705@gmail.com>
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Sounds good in theory, but I haven't used it.

Charlotte

Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Fred Hooper <fahooper at gmail.com> wrote:

> I found this product: https://dbconvert.com/access/mssql/, which claims
> to keep an Access database in sync with a SQL Server database. Has
> anyone used it?
>
> I'm converting the record-keeping program for my brother-in-law's
> software program from an Access back end to a SQL Server back end. If
> the program works as described, it would reduce the risk of the switchover.
>
> I'm not interested in their convert product as I've written something
> I'm happy with and that gives me control at the points where I need it.
> As I have plenty of time right now, I've tried every permutation of how
> to link the front and back end that I've read or thought of; this was
> necessary as the first test of simple links to SQL Server brought a
> critical form from 10 seconds to 3 minutes -- so I did a lot of
> rethinking. If anyone is interested I'd be happy to provide more detail.
>
> Thanks,
> Fred
>
> --
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From df.waters at outlook.com  Mon Nov  2 11:40:38 2015
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 11:40:38 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Anyone used dbSync?
In-Reply-To: <5637858E.1060705@gmail.com>
References: <5637858E.1060705@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU176-DS398F582E38CB17597910DF62C0@phx.gbl>

Hi Fred,

It looks to me like you may not need the synchronization product.  I went to
the site - what it does is keep two databases (or two backends) in synch
with each other on a periodic basis (for $149).  But it sounds like what you
need to do is this:

1) From your Access BE, upsize the Access tables to SQL Server tables. (do a
search for 'upsize Access tables to SQL Server tables')
2) In the Access FE, remove the FE table links to the Access database with
the data tables.
3) In the Access FE, create ODBC links to the same tables in the SQL Server
database.  (do a search for 'link Access to SQL Server)
4) Try out your application - it should run exactly like it did with the
Access tables.

You won't need to do this again so a synchronization product won't be of any
help.  Once it's all working, you won't need your Access BE file anymore.

HTH,
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Fred Hooper
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 9:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Anyone used dbSync?

I found this product: https://dbconvert.com/access/mssql/, which claims to
keep an Access database in sync with a SQL Server database. Has anyone used
it?

I'm converting the record-keeping program for my brother-in-law's software
program from an Access back end to a SQL Server back end. If the program
works as described, it would reduce the risk of the switchover.

I'm not interested in their convert product as I've written something I'm
happy with and that gives me control at the points where I need it.
As I have plenty of time right now, I've tried every permutation of how to
link the front and back end that I've read or thought of; this was necessary
as the first test of simple links to SQL Server brought a critical form from
10 seconds to 3 minutes -- so I did a lot of rethinking. If anyone is
interested I'd be happy to provide more detail.

Thanks,
Fred

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From fahooper at gmail.com  Mon Nov  2 12:30:31 2015
From: fahooper at gmail.com (Fred Hooper)
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2015 13:30:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Anyone used dbSync?
In-Reply-To: <BLU176-DS398F582E38CB17597910DF62C0@phx.gbl>
References: <5637858E.1060705@gmail.com>
	<BLU176-DS398F582E38CB17597910DF62C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <5637ABC7.4010301@gmail.com>

Hi Dan,

That's what I did, but it brought the critical form-opening time from 10
seconds to 3 minutes on their network (instant on my PC, so I was
surprised).

However, since then I've (1) changed from nvarchar to varchar (hoping to
reduce the data quantity by 40% or so); and, (2) asked them to upgrade
the single cat-5 cable bottleneck (100Mhz) from the server to the switch
to  2 cat-7 cables (600Mhz each). I'm hoping that the combination of the
two changes will provide the necessary speed. However, I can't test it
until next week so I'm trying to explore alternatives.

However, the increased speed just postpones the problem, as their
business grows they will have the problem again. I've got to do more to
move the processing from the FE to the server. I've converted their
queries to views but dragging whole views across the network for Access
to use the few records it actually needs is not going to provide a long
term speedup either.

I've tried three ways to move the processing to the server:

 1. On-the-fly modified passthru queries, but you can't edit through these.
 2. On-the-fly created separate views for each user (a/k/a "user view")
    with the link to the server's table modified to point to that view.
    To avoid SQL Server's limitation of editing only one table through a
    multi-table view, I retained the queries locally (although I created
    them on the server too, for when they are useful) -- and created
    those user views for each table needed by the local query. Their
    second most commonly used form has 9 subforms, some fed by queries
    -- requiring a total of 12 "linked tables" fed by user views.
 3. ADO recordsets as the forms' Recordset. This is noticeably quicker
    than 2 on my PC; the differences will probably be less when masked
    by network traffic, but I prefer this simpler solution so far. For
    this, my solution to the multiple-table problem is to force updating
    after every field's change (kludgy, but it works). In retrospect, I
    could have done this with 2 and had only 9 user views, but that's
    not much of an improvement from 12.

Unless someone has some experience with dbSync to guide me, I expect I'm
going to try it unless the network change and the varchar's speed the
program up enough to allow the direct switch and gradual changes from
there. BTW, I'm working in Access 2002 & 2003 and SQL Server 2012.

Best,
Fred
> Dan Waters <mailto:df.waters at outlook.com>
> Monday, November 02, 2015 12:40 PM
> Hi Fred,
>
> It looks to me like you may not need the synchronization product. I
> went to
> the site - what it does is keep two databases (or two backends) in synch
> with each other on a periodic basis (for $149). But it sounds like
> what you
> need to do is this:
>
> 1) From your Access BE, upsize the Access tables to SQL Server tables.
> (do a
> search for 'upsize Access tables to SQL Server tables')
> 2) In the Access FE, remove the FE table links to the Access database with
> the data tables.
> 3) In the Access FE, create ODBC links to the same tables in the SQL
> Server
> database. (do a search for 'link Access to SQL Server)
> 4) Try out your application - it should run exactly like it did with the
> Access tables.
>
> You won't need to do this again so a synchronization product won't be
> of any
> help. Once it's all working, you won't need your Access BE file anymore.
>
> HTH,
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Fred Hooper
> Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 9:47 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Anyone used dbSync?
>
> I found this product: https://dbconvert.com/access/mssql/, which claims to
> keep an Access database in sync with a SQL Server database. Has anyone
> used
> it?
>
> I'm converting the record-keeping program for my brother-in-law's software
> program from an Access back end to a SQL Server back end. If the program
> works as described, it would reduce the risk of the switchover.
>
> I'm not interested in their convert product as I've written something I'm
> happy with and that gives me control at the points where I need it.
> As I have plenty of time right now, I've tried every permutation of how to
> link the front and back end that I've read or thought of; this was
> necessary
> as the first test of simple links to SQL Server brought a critical
> form from
> 10 seconds to 3 minutes -- so I did a lot of rethinking. If anyone is
> interested I'd be happy to provide more detail.
>
> Thanks,
> Fred
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> Fred Hooper <mailto:fahooper at gmail.com>
> Monday, November 02, 2015 10:47 AM
> I found this product: https://dbconvert.com/access/mssql/, which
> claims to keep an Access database in sync with a SQL Server database.
> Has anyone used it?
>
> I'm converting the record-keeping program for my brother-in-law's
> software program from an Access back end to a SQL Server back end. If
> the program works as described, it would reduce the risk of the
> switchover.
>
> I'm not interested in their convert product as I've written something
> I'm happy with and that gives me control at the points where I need
> it. As I have plenty of time right now, I've tried every permutation
> of how to link the front and back end that I've read or thought of;
> this was necessary as the first test of simple links to SQL Server
> brought a critical form from 10 seconds to 3 minutes -- so I did a lot
> of rethinking. If anyone is interested I'd be happy to provide more
> detail.
>
> Thanks,
> Fred
>

From jbodin at sbor.com  Mon Nov  2 12:39:59 2015
From: jbodin at sbor.com (John Bodin)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 18:39:59 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Anyone used dbSync?
In-Reply-To: <5637ABC7.4010301@gmail.com>
References: <5637858E.1060705@gmail.com>
	<BLU176-DS398F582E38CB17597910DF62C0@phx.gbl>
	<5637ABC7.4010301@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CY1PR0401MB1020667D8578C30DAF096649BD2C0@CY1PR0401MB1020.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Fred, on the cable change, the Cat5 and Cat7 ratings will not help you if the switch the server is connected to can only go 100meg or even a gig (Cat 5 will still get you fine throughput at a gig).  The switch will be the bottleneck. If on the other hand you have a 10gig switch that the server is connected to and 10gig ports on the server, then the better cable will aid you there, and then whatever speed network card the users have (typically a gig) will dictate how much and how fast they can connect to the network to send/receive data.  Good luck.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Fred Hooper
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 1:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Anyone used dbSync?

Hi Dan,

That's what I did, but it brought the critical form-opening time from 10 seconds to 3 minutes on their network (instant on my PC, so I was surprised).

However, since then I've (1) changed from nvarchar to varchar (hoping to reduce the data quantity by 40% or so); and, (2) asked them to upgrade the single cat-5 cable bottleneck (100Mhz) from the server to the switch to  2 cat-7 cables (600Mhz each). I'm hoping that the combination of the two changes will provide the necessary speed. However, I can't test it until next week so I'm trying to explore alternatives.

However, the increased speed just postpones the problem, as their business grows they will have the problem again. I've got to do more to move the processing from the FE to the server. I've converted their queries to views but dragging whole views across the network for Access to use the few records it actually needs is not going to provide a long term speedup either.

I've tried three ways to move the processing to the server:

 1. On-the-fly modified passthru queries, but you can't edit through these.
 2. On-the-fly created separate views for each user (a/k/a "user view")
    with the link to the server's table modified to point to that view.
    To avoid SQL Server's limitation of editing only one table through a
    multi-table view, I retained the queries locally (although I created
    them on the server too, for when they are useful) -- and created
    those user views for each table needed by the local query. Their
    second most commonly used form has 9 subforms, some fed by queries
    -- requiring a total of 12 "linked tables" fed by user views.
 3. ADO recordsets as the forms' Recordset. This is noticeably quicker
    than 2 on my PC; the differences will probably be less when masked
    by network traffic, but I prefer this simpler solution so far. For
    this, my solution to the multiple-table problem is to force updating
    after every field's change (kludgy, but it works). In retrospect, I
    could have done this with 2 and had only 9 user views, but that's
    not much of an improvement from 12.

Unless someone has some experience with dbSync to guide me, I expect I'm going to try it unless the network change and the varchar's speed the program up enough to allow the direct switch and gradual changes from there. BTW, I'm working in Access 2002 & 2003 and SQL Server 2012.

Best,
Fred
> Dan Waters <mailto:df.waters at outlook.com> Monday, November 02, 2015 
> 12:40 PM Hi Fred,
>
> It looks to me like you may not need the synchronization product. I 
> went to the site - what it does is keep two databases (or two 
> backends) in synch with each other on a periodic basis (for $149). But 
> it sounds like what you need to do is this:
>
> 1) From your Access BE, upsize the Access tables to SQL Server tables.
> (do a
> search for 'upsize Access tables to SQL Server tables')
> 2) In the Access FE, remove the FE table links to the Access database 
> with the data tables.
> 3) In the Access FE, create ODBC links to the same tables in the SQL 
> Server database. (do a search for 'link Access to SQL Server)
> 4) Try out your application - it should run exactly like it did with 
> the Access tables.
>
> You won't need to do this again so a synchronization product won't be 
> of any help. Once it's all working, you won't need your Access BE file 
> anymore.
>
> HTH,
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Fred Hooper
> Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 9:47 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Anyone used dbSync?
>
> I found this product: https://dbconvert.com/access/mssql/, which 
> claims to keep an Access database in sync with a SQL Server database. 
> Has anyone used it?
>
> I'm converting the record-keeping program for my brother-in-law's 
> software program from an Access back end to a SQL Server back end. If 
> the program works as described, it would reduce the risk of the switchover.
>
> I'm not interested in their convert product as I've written something 
> I'm happy with and that gives me control at the points where I need it.
> As I have plenty of time right now, I've tried every permutation of 
> how to link the front and back end that I've read or thought of; this 
> was necessary as the first test of simple links to SQL Server brought 
> a critical form from
> 10 seconds to 3 minutes -- so I did a lot of rethinking. If anyone is 
> interested I'd be happy to provide more detail.
>
> Thanks,
> Fred
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> Fred Hooper <mailto:fahooper at gmail.com> Monday, November 02, 2015 
> 10:47 AM I found this product: https://dbconvert.com/access/mssql/, 
> which claims to keep an Access database in sync with a SQL Server 
> database.
> Has anyone used it?
>
> I'm converting the record-keeping program for my brother-in-law's 
> software program from an Access back end to a SQL Server back end. If 
> the program works as described, it would reduce the risk of the 
> switchover.
>
> I'm not interested in their convert product as I've written something 
> I'm happy with and that gives me control at the points where I need 
> it. As I have plenty of time right now, I've tried every permutation 
> of how to link the front and back end that I've read or thought of; 
> this was necessary as the first test of simple links to SQL Server 
> brought a critical form from 10 seconds to 3 minutes -- so I did a lot 
> of rethinking. If anyone is interested I'd be happy to provide more 
> detail.
>
> Thanks,
> Fred
>
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From df.waters at outlook.com  Mon Nov  2 13:09:46 2015
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 13:09:46 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Anyone used dbSync?
In-Reply-To: <5637ABC7.4010301@gmail.com>
References: <5637858E.1060705@gmail.com>	<BLU176-DS398F582E38CB17597910DF62C0@phx.gbl>
	<5637ABC7.4010301@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU176-DS211FB358A2DB27E1BEED3FF62C0@phx.gbl>

Hi Fred,

Are you logged onto their network using a VPN and Remote Desktop from
outside that network?  If so, your massive increase in speed is expected.
ODBC table links connected to a SQL Server database from outside the network
will never have acceptable speed.  No table link, Access or ODBC, ever has
acceptable performance using a VPN on the internet.  

If the application will only be actually used within the network, then just
do the testing on identical tables on your PC.  When you're done just ship
the FE to your brother in law and let him know he'll need to relink the ODBC
table links to SQL Server on his server.

If that doesn't work there are three other paths:

1) if possible, log into their network and do all the work on their server.
2) You could rewrite all the FE code using ADO.  This does not require table
links and does provide good performance.  About 10 years ago I started to
learn this but I no longer remember
3) Download Visual Studio Community 2015 (free) and learn to write a
WinForms app.  Develop on your PC using SQL Server Express (or SQL Server
Developer).  Very similar look and feel, great performance, and has the same
purpose as an Access app.

Short term 1 is best, 2 is OK.  Long term 3 is best.  2 used to be called an
Access Project but today, learning Visual Studio is a better path long term.

Still, unless you are going to keep tables in an Access .mdb file and in
identical tables in SQL Server synchronized continuously, I don't believe
that dbSync would be helpful.

Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Fred Hooper
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 12:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Anyone used dbSync?

Hi Dan,

That's what I did, but it brought the critical form-opening time from 10
seconds to 3 minutes on their network (instant on my PC, so I was
surprised).

However, since then I've (1) changed from nvarchar to varchar (hoping to
reduce the data quantity by 40% or so); and, (2) asked them to upgrade the
single cat-5 cable bottleneck (100Mhz) from the server to the switch to  2
cat-7 cables (600Mhz each). I'm hoping that the combination of the two
changes will provide the necessary speed. However, I can't test it until
next week so I'm trying to explore alternatives.

However, the increased speed just postpones the problem, as their business
grows they will have the problem again. I've got to do more to move the
processing from the FE to the server. I've converted their queries to views
but dragging whole views across the network for Access to use the few
records it actually needs is not going to provide a long term speedup
either.

I've tried three ways to move the processing to the server:

 1. On-the-fly modified passthru queries, but you can't edit through these.
 2. On-the-fly created separate views for each user (a/k/a "user view")
    with the link to the server's table modified to point to that view.
    To avoid SQL Server's limitation of editing only one table through a
    multi-table view, I retained the queries locally (although I created
    them on the server too, for when they are useful) -- and created
    those user views for each table needed by the local query. Their
    second most commonly used form has 9 subforms, some fed by queries
    -- requiring a total of 12 "linked tables" fed by user views.
 3. ADO recordsets as the forms' Recordset. This is noticeably quicker
    than 2 on my PC; the differences will probably be less when masked
    by network traffic, but I prefer this simpler solution so far. For
    this, my solution to the multiple-table problem is to force updating
    after every field's change (kludgy, but it works). In retrospect, I
    could have done this with 2 and had only 9 user views, but that's
    not much of an improvement from 12.

Unless someone has some experience with dbSync to guide me, I expect I'm
going to try it unless the network change and the varchar's speed the
program up enough to allow the direct switch and gradual changes from there.
BTW, I'm working in Access 2002 & 2003 and SQL Server 2012.

Best,
Fred
> Dan Waters <mailto:df.waters at outlook.com> Monday, November 02, 2015 
> 12:40 PM Hi Fred,
>
> It looks to me like you may not need the synchronization product. I 
> went to the site - what it does is keep two databases (or two 
> backends) in synch with each other on a periodic basis (for $149). But 
> it sounds like what you need to do is this:
>
> 1) From your Access BE, upsize the Access tables to SQL Server tables.
> (do a
> search for 'upsize Access tables to SQL Server tables')
> 2) In the Access FE, remove the FE table links to the Access database 
> with the data tables.
> 3) In the Access FE, create ODBC links to the same tables in the SQL 
> Server database. (do a search for 'link Access to SQL Server)
> 4) Try out your application - it should run exactly like it did with 
> the Access tables.
>
> You won't need to do this again so a synchronization product won't be 
> of any help. Once it's all working, you won't need your Access BE file 
> anymore.
>
> HTH,
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Fred Hooper
> Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 9:47 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Anyone used dbSync?
>
> I found this product: https://dbconvert.com/access/mssql/, which 
> claims to keep an Access database in sync with a SQL Server database. 
> Has anyone used it?
>
> I'm converting the record-keeping program for my brother-in-law's 
> software program from an Access back end to a SQL Server back end. If 
> the program works as described, it would reduce the risk of the
switchover.
>
> I'm not interested in their convert product as I've written something 
> I'm happy with and that gives me control at the points where I need it.
> As I have plenty of time right now, I've tried every permutation of 
> how to link the front and back end that I've read or thought of; this 
> was necessary as the first test of simple links to SQL Server brought 
> a critical form from
> 10 seconds to 3 minutes -- so I did a lot of rethinking. If anyone is 
> interested I'd be happy to provide more detail.
>
> Thanks,
> Fred
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> Fred Hooper <mailto:fahooper at gmail.com> Monday, November 02, 2015 
> 10:47 AM I found this product: https://dbconvert.com/access/mssql/, 
> which claims to keep an Access database in sync with a SQL Server 
> database.
> Has anyone used it?
>
> I'm converting the record-keeping program for my brother-in-law's 
> software program from an Access back end to a SQL Server back end. If 
> the program works as described, it would reduce the risk of the 
> switchover.
>
> I'm not interested in their convert product as I've written something 
> I'm happy with and that gives me control at the points where I need 
> it. As I have plenty of time right now, I've tried every permutation 
> of how to link the front and back end that I've read or thought of; 
> this was necessary as the first test of simple links to SQL Server 
> brought a critical form from 10 seconds to 3 minutes -- so I did a lot 
> of rethinking. If anyone is interested I'd be happy to provide more 
> detail.
>
> Thanks,
> Fred
>
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From fahooper at gmail.com  Mon Nov  2 13:12:30 2015
From: fahooper at gmail.com (Fred Hooper)
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2015 14:12:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Anyone used dbSync?
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	<BLU176-DS398F582E38CB17597910DF62C0@phx.gbl>
	<5637ABC7.4010301@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <5637B59E.5070000@gmail.com>

Thank you John, I didn't know that. They have a 5-year old DLink 24-port
switch, that I assume is a gig. Their server is a small Dell of the same
age, probably also with gig ports. When I started looked at their
network, they mentioned that every network company they've ever used is
out of business a year or two later (they're on Cape Cod).

Do you have any recommendations if (as I now expect), the network speed
shows only small improvements after the cable change, for the switch
and/or the ports?

Thanks,
Fred
> John Bodin <mailto:jbodin at sbor.com>
> Monday, November 02, 2015 1:39 PM
> Fred, on the cable change, the Cat5 and Cat7 ratings will not help you
> if the switch the server is connected to can only go 100meg or even a
> gig (Cat 5 will still get you fine throughput at a gig). The switch
> will be the bottleneck. If on the other hand you have a 10gig switch
> that the server is connected to and 10gig ports on the server, then
> the better cable will aid you there, and then whatever speed network
> card the users have (typically a gig) will dictate how much and how
> fast they can connect to the network to send/receive data. Good luck.
>
> John
>

From fahooper at gmail.com  Mon Nov  2 13:26:54 2015
From: fahooper at gmail.com (Fred Hooper)
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2015 14:26:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Anyone used dbSync?
In-Reply-To: <BLU176-DS211FB358A2DB27E1BEED3FF62C0@phx.gbl>
References: <5637858E.1060705@gmail.com>	<BLU176-DS398F582E38CB17597910DF62C0@phx.gbl>
	<5637ABC7.4010301@gmail.com>
	<BLU176-DS211FB358A2DB27E1BEED3FF62C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <5637B8FE.5020400@gmail.com>

Hi Dan,

I was local and hard-wired to their network, using one of their PC's.

I've started on your 2) and have it working for the most-used form. Next
I'll extend it to the second most used to complete a proof of concept.
I've got working code that switches between the Access BE, SQL Server
BE, and ADO recordsets, so we'll assess the speed with all of the
alternatives using the same code, as much as possible.

Part of the reason I want to use recordsets is that their product is
mostly written in VB.Net. I expect that they will start a back burner
project to convert the Access FE and the recordsets should help some of
that.

I hadn't considered WinForms. Currently, they have all their people in
three adjacent rooms. Since one person has a 1.5 hour commute each way,
they might be interested in being able to work remotely. I'll talk to
them about it after I've done some reading. Thanks additionally for that
idea.

I've got a little Demo mdb that I used to debug the ADO recordset
approach if you or anyone else is interested.

Best,
Fred
> Dan Waters <mailto:df.waters at outlook.com>
> Monday, November 02, 2015 2:09 PM
> Hi Fred,
>
> Are you logged onto their network using a VPN and Remote Desktop from
> outside that network?  If so, your massive increase in speed is expected.
> ODBC table links connected to a SQL Server database from outside the network
> will never have acceptable speed.  No table link, Access or ODBC, ever has
> acceptable performance using a VPN on the internet.  
>
> If the application will only be actually used within the network, then just
> do the testing on identical tables on your PC.  When you're done just ship
> the FE to your brother in law and let him know he'll need to relink the ODBC
> table links to SQL Server on his server.
>
> If that doesn't work there are three other paths:
>
> 1) if possible, log into their network and do all the work on their server.
> 2) You could rewrite all the FE code using ADO.  This does not require table
> links and does provide good performance.  About 10 years ago I started to
> learn this but I no longer remember
> 3) Download Visual Studio Community 2015 (free) and learn to write a
> WinForms app.  Develop on your PC using SQL Server Express (or SQL Server
> Developer).  Very similar look and feel, great performance, and has the same
> purpose as an Access app.
>
> Short term 1 is best, 2 is OK.  Long term 3 is best.  2 used to be called an
> Access Project but today, learning Visual Studio is a better path long term.
>
> Still, unless you are going to keep tables in an Access .mdb file and in
> identical tables in SQL Server synchronized continuously, I don't believe
> that dbSync would be helpful.
>
> Good Luck!
> Dan
>

From jbodin at sbor.com  Mon Nov  2 13:37:12 2015
From: jbodin at sbor.com (John Bodin)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 19:37:12 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Anyone used dbSync?
In-Reply-To: <5637B59E.5070000@gmail.com>
References: <5637858E.1060705@gmail.com>
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	<CY1PR0401MB1020667D8578C30DAF096649BD2C0@CY1PR0401MB1020.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<5637B59E.5070000@gmail.com>
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Ah, they must have spent too much time at the Beachcomber in Wellfleet...

On hardware, I'd get the model of the switch to make sure it is gigabit.  You can probably just hover your mouse over the networking icon in the system tray on the server and see what it says for connection speed.

On software, you want SQL Server to do all the heavy lifting and only return the results.  With Access, it pulls all the tables locally that you are querying and then performs the action. Check what Dan is providing for options, especially the ADO option.  

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Fred Hooper
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 2:13 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Anyone used dbSync?

Thank you John, I didn't know that. They have a 5-year old DLink 24-port switch, that I assume is a gig. Their server is a small Dell of the same age, probably also with gig ports. When I started looked at their network, they mentioned that every network company they've ever used is out of business a year or two later (they're on Cape Cod).

Do you have any recommendations if (as I now expect), the network speed shows only small improvements after the cable change, for the switch and/or the ports?

Thanks,
Fred
> John Bodin <mailto:jbodin at sbor.com>
> Monday, November 02, 2015 1:39 PM
> Fred, on the cable change, the Cat5 and Cat7 ratings will not help you 
> if the switch the server is connected to can only go 100meg or even a 
> gig (Cat 5 will still get you fine throughput at a gig). The switch 
> will be the bottleneck. If on the other hand you have a 10gig switch 
> that the server is connected to and 10gig ports on the server, then 
> the better cable will aid you there, and then whatever speed network 
> card the users have (typically a gig) will dictate how much and how 
> fast they can connect to the network to send/receive data. Good luck.
>
> John
>
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From fahooper at gmail.com  Mon Nov  2 14:15:13 2015
From: fahooper at gmail.com (Fred Hooper)
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2015 15:15:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Anyone used dbSync?
In-Reply-To: <CY1PR0401MB10201B46F7E63D02CEF281F4BD2C0@CY1PR0401MB1020.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <5637858E.1060705@gmail.com>
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	<CY1PR0401MB1020667D8578C30DAF096649BD2C0@CY1PR0401MB1020.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<5637B59E.5070000@gmail.com>
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You know the area...

The switch is aDLink DGS-1224T, which is a gigabit switch. The NIC cards
in the server are both gigabit cards. Is that good enough to feed a cat5
network?

Thanks,
Fred
> John Bodin <mailto:jbodin at sbor.com>
> Monday, November 02, 2015 2:37 PM
> Ah, they must have spent too much time at the Beachcomber in Wellfleet...
>
> On hardware, I'd get the model of the switch to make sure it is
> gigabit. You can probably just hover your mouse over the networking
> icon in the system tray on the server and see what it says for
> connection speed.
>
> On software, you want SQL Server to do all the heavy lifting and only
> return the results. With Access, it pulls all the tables locally that
> you are querying and then performs the action. Check what Dan is
> providing for options, especially the ADO option.
>

From jbodin at sbor.com  Mon Nov  2 14:30:11 2015
From: jbodin at sbor.com (John Bodin)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 20:30:11 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Anyone used dbSync?
In-Reply-To: <5637C451.3010107@gmail.com>
References: <5637858E.1060705@gmail.com>
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	<CY1PR0401MB1020667D8578C30DAF096649BD2C0@CY1PR0401MB1020.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<5637B59E.5070000@gmail.com>
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That s/b alright.  Lot of other factors that could affect performance (Ram, hard drive speed, other software on the server like Exchange, # of users making I/O intensive requests, etc.)  I would lean more towards the ADO idea as the server is not really that old.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Fred Hooper
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 3:15 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Anyone used dbSync?

You know the area...

The switch is aDLink DGS-1224T, which is a gigabit switch. The NIC cards in the server are both gigabit cards. Is that good enough to feed a cat5 network?

Thanks,
Fred
> John Bodin <mailto:jbodin at sbor.com>
> Monday, November 02, 2015 2:37 PM
> Ah, they must have spent too much time at the Beachcomber in Wellfleet...
>
> On hardware, I'd get the model of the switch to make sure it is 
> gigabit. You can probably just hover your mouse over the networking 
> icon in the system tray on the server and see what it says for 
> connection speed.
>
> On software, you want SQL Server to do all the heavy lifting and only 
> return the results. With Access, it pulls all the tables locally that 
> you are querying and then performs the action. Check what Dan is 
> providing for options, especially the ADO option.
>
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From Salato at ky.gov  Tue Nov  3 15:14:12 2015
From: Salato at ky.gov (FW Salato Center)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 21:14:12 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Determine whether list box control has a selected value
Message-ID: <E0F5F465EAB4E94EB468409FB2A69C3B4BE47413@AGEXM03.eas.ds.ky.gov>

I need to write a quick validation snippet for a multi-value list box. This control's Value property always returns Null. What's the quickest way to determine if something's selected? I don't need the actual value, just a True/False response - there's an item selected or there isn't.

Thanks!
Susan H.

From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 15:28:39 2015
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 16:28:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Determine whether list box control has a selected
	value
In-Reply-To: <E0F5F465EAB4E94EB468409FB2A69C3B4BE47413@AGEXM03.eas.ds.ky.gov>
References: <E0F5F465EAB4E94EB468409FB2A69C3B4BE47413@AGEXM03.eas.ds.ky.gov>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAvs1mzXVgOz9cbFVfM_ic-p2RBeWoBvDi6QY_FyCxwcLQ@mail.gmail.com>

Susan,

Here is a snippet

Private Sub MoveDown_Click()
'
' with Access Listbox.column(columnindex, row)
           '
           ' Move Items Down
           ' Allow multicolumn items to move
           '
          Dim lngIndex As Long
          Dim lngStarToRow As Long
          Dim blnSelected() As Boolean  '<<<boolean array
10       On Error GoTo Movedown_Click_Error

20        With listbox1
30            ReDim blnSelected(.ListCount) As Boolean
40            For lngIndex = 0 To .ListCount - 1
50                blnSelected(lngIndex) = .Selected(lngIndex) ' <set the
boolean array according to whether the itemis selected or not
60            Next


Good luck.

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 4:14 PM, FW Salato Center <Salato at ky.gov> wrote:

> I need to write a quick validation snippet for a multi-value list box.
> This control's Value property always returns Null. What's the quickest way
> to determine if something's selected? I don't need the actual value, just a
> True/False response - there's an item selected or there isn't.
>
> Thanks!
> Susan H.
> --
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 15:31:07 2015
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 13:31:07 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Determine whether list box control has a selected
	value
In-Reply-To: <E0F5F465EAB4E94EB468409FB2A69C3B4BE47413@AGEXM03.eas.ds.ky.gov>
References: <E0F5F465EAB4E94EB468409FB2A69C3B4BE47413@AGEXM03.eas.ds.ky.gov>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met-UPynh-+2TMk6Ga78BWaxg6LJMPa078x6Xv4TJu3-q=A@mail.gmail.com>

Check the selected items count.

Charlotte
On Nov 3, 2015 1:16 PM, "FW Salato Center" <Salato at ky.gov> wrote:

> I need to write a quick validation snippet for a multi-value list box.
> This control's Value property always returns Null. What's the quickest way
> to determine if something's selected? I don't need the actual value, just a
> True/False response - there's an item selected or there isn't.
>
> Thanks!
> Susan H.
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 15:31:59 2015
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 16:31:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Determine whether list box control has a selected
	value
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAvs1mzXVgOz9cbFVfM_ic-p2RBeWoBvDi6QY_FyCxwcLQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E0F5F465EAB4E94EB468409FB2A69C3B4BE47413@AGEXM03.eas.ds.ky.gov>
	<CAKvidAvs1mzXVgOz9cbFVfM_ic-p2RBeWoBvDi6QY_FyCxwcLQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAtT21r-k8-jHieXGU6=aBvpjewT-x9nVqLp1qdMVxfbSA@mail.gmail.com>

Susan,

Here is the whole routine. Shows how the blnSelected()is used.

Private Sub MoveDown_Click()
'
' with Access Listbox.column(columnindex, row)
           '
           ' Move Items Down
           ' Allow multicolumn items to move
           '
          Dim lngIndex As Long
          Dim lngStarToRow As Long
          Dim blnSelected() As Boolean
10       On Error GoTo Movedown_Click_Error

20        With listbox1
30            ReDim blnSelected(.ListCount) As Boolean
40            For lngIndex = 0 To .ListCount - 1
50                blnSelected(lngIndex) = .Selected(lngIndex)
60            Next

70            lngStarToRow = -1
80            For lngIndex = 0 To .ListCount - 1
90                If blnSelected(lngIndex) Then
100                   If lngStarToRow = -1 Then lngStarToRow = lngIndex
110               Else
120                   If lngStarToRow >= 0 Then
130                   SwapListboxItems listbox1, lngIndex, lngStarToRow
140                       lngStarToRow = -1
150                   End If
160               End If
170           Next
180       End With

190      On Error GoTo 0
200      Exit Sub

Movedown_Click_Error:

210       MsgBox "Error " & Err.number & " in line " & Erl & "  (" &
Err.Description & ") in procedure Movedown_Click of VBA Document
Form_formTestListBox"

End Sub

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 4:28 PM, jack drawbridge <jackandpat.d at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Susan,
>
> Here is a snippet
>
> Private Sub MoveDown_Click()
> '
> ' with Access Listbox.column(columnindex, row)
>            '
>            ' Move Items Down
>            ' Allow multicolumn items to move
>            '
>           Dim lngIndex As Long
>           Dim lngStarToRow As Long
>           Dim blnSelected() As Boolean  '<<<boolean array
> 10       On Error GoTo Movedown_Click_Error
>
> 20        With listbox1
> 30            ReDim blnSelected(.ListCount) As Boolean
> 40            For lngIndex = 0 To .ListCount - 1
> 50                blnSelected(lngIndex) = .Selected(lngIndex) ' <set the
> boolean array according to whether the itemis selected or not
> 60            Next
>
>
> Good luck.
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 4:14 PM, FW Salato Center <Salato at ky.gov> wrote:
>
>> I need to write a quick validation snippet for a multi-value list box.
>> This control's Value property always returns Null. What's the quickest way
>> to determine if something's selected? I don't need the actual value, just a
>> True/False response - there's an item selected or there isn't.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Susan H.
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>

From Salato at ky.gov  Tue Nov  3 15:47:11 2015
From: Salato at ky.gov (FW Salato Center)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 21:47:11 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Determine whether list box control has a
	selected	value
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAtT21r-k8-jHieXGU6=aBvpjewT-x9nVqLp1qdMVxfbSA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E0F5F465EAB4E94EB468409FB2A69C3B4BE47413@AGEXM03.eas.ds.ky.gov>
	<CAKvidAvs1mzXVgOz9cbFVfM_ic-p2RBeWoBvDi6QY_FyCxwcLQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKvidAtT21r-k8-jHieXGU6=aBvpjewT-x9nVqLp1qdMVxfbSA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E0F5F465EAB4E94EB468409FB2A69C3B4BE474B5@AGEXM03.eas.ds.ky.gov>

Thanks Jack and Charlotte!

Susan H. 

Susan,

Here is the whole routine. Shows how the blnSelected()is used.

Private Sub MoveDown_Click()
'
' with Access Listbox.column(columnindex, row)
           '
           ' Move Items Down
           ' Allow multicolumn items to move
           '
          Dim lngIndex As Long
          Dim lngStarToRow As Long
          Dim blnSelected() As Boolean
10       On Error GoTo Movedown_Click_Error

20        With listbox1
30            ReDim blnSelected(.ListCount) As Boolean
40            For lngIndex = 0 To .ListCount - 1
50                blnSelected(lngIndex) = .Selected(lngIndex)
60            Next

70            lngStarToRow = -1
80            For lngIndex = 0 To .ListCount - 1
90                If blnSelected(lngIndex) Then
100                   If lngStarToRow = -1 Then lngStarToRow = lngIndex
110               Else
120                   If lngStarToRow >= 0 Then
130                   SwapListboxItems listbox1, lngIndex, lngStarToRow
140                       lngStarToRow = -1
150                   End If
160               End If
170           Next
180       End With

190      On Error GoTo 0
200      Exit Sub

Movedown_Click_Error:

210       MsgBox "Error " & Err.number & " in line " & Erl & "  (" &
Err.Description & ") in procedure Movedown_Click of VBA Document Form_formTestListBox"

End Sub

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 4:28 PM, jack drawbridge <jackandpat.d at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Susan,
>
> Here is a snippet
>
> Private Sub MoveDown_Click()
> '
> ' with Access Listbox.column(columnindex, row)
>            '
>            ' Move Items Down
>            ' Allow multicolumn items to move
>            '
>           Dim lngIndex As Long
>           Dim lngStarToRow As Long
>           Dim blnSelected() As Boolean  '<<<boolean array
> 10       On Error GoTo Movedown_Click_Error
>
> 20        With listbox1
> 30            ReDim blnSelected(.ListCount) As Boolean
> 40            For lngIndex = 0 To .ListCount - 1
> 50                blnSelected(lngIndex) = .Selected(lngIndex) ' <set the
> boolean array according to whether the itemis selected or not
> 60            Next
>
>
> Good luck.
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 4:14 PM, FW Salato Center <Salato at ky.gov> wrote:
>
>> I need to write a quick validation snippet for a multi-value list box.
>> This control's Value property always returns Null. What's the 
>> quickest way to determine if something's selected? I don't need the 
>> actual value, just a True/False response - there's an item selected or there isn't.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Susan H.
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Nov  3 16:51:43 2015
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 08:51:43 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Determine whether list box control has a selected
	value
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met-UPynh-+2TMk6Ga78BWaxg6LJMPa078x6Xv4TJu3-q=A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E0F5F465EAB4E94EB468409FB2A69C3B4BE47413@AGEXM03.eas.ds.ky.gov>,
	<CAH+Met-UPynh-+2TMk6Ga78BWaxg6LJMPa078x6Xv4TJu3-q=A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56393A7F.25993.EFAAD8B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Just to clarify, that would be:

If lstMyList.ItemsSelected.Count ...
-- 
Stuart

On 3 Nov 2015 at 13:31, Charlotte Foust wrote:

> Check the selected items count.
> 
> Charlotte
> On Nov 3, 2015 1:16 PM, "FW Salato Center" <Salato at ky.gov> wrote:
> 
> > I need to write a quick validation snippet for a multi-value list
> > box. This control's Value property always returns Null. What's the
> > quickest way to determine if something's selected? I don't need the
> > actual value, just a True/False response - there's an item selected
> > or there isn't.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Susan H.
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> -- 
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 16:54:02 2015
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (ssharkins at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 22:54:02 +0000
Subject: [AccessD]
 =?utf-8?q?Determine_whether_list_box_control_has_a_sele?=
 =?utf-8?q?cted=09value?=
In-Reply-To: <56393A7F.25993.EFAAD8B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <E0F5F465EAB4E94EB468409FB2A69C3B4BE47413@AGEXM03.eas.ds.ky.gov>, 
	<CAH+Met-UPynh-+2TMk6Ga78BWaxg6LJMPa078x6Xv4TJu3-q=A@mail.gmail.com>,
	<56393A7F.25993.EFAAD8B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <56393b29.930c810a.39c19.3821@mx.google.com>

Thanks Stuart -- you guys certainly make my work easier. ? 


Susan H. 





Just to clarify, that would be:

If lstMyList.ItemsSelected.Count ...
-- 
Stuart

From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Wed Nov  4 14:27:40 2015
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 20:27:40 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2010
Message-ID: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB08A34A23@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>

My office computer recently got upgraded from Office 2007 to Office 2010. In my database in the code module I have Dim mydb as DAO database. Office 2010 seems to want me to put DAO in front of every recordset dim statement. EX Dim RS1 as DAO.Recordset. Is there a better way than having to do this for the entire database?

Also since the calendar control no longer exists what is a good solution?

Thank you for your thoughts.

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Nov  4 14:51:24 2015
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 06:51:24 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2010
In-Reply-To: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB08A34A23@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB08A34A23@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <563A6FCC.1409.13B2E5B4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

1. Deselet the reference to ADO?

2. A text box formatted as a date with ShowDatePicker set?

On 4 Nov 2015 at 20:27, Kaup, Chester wrote:

> My office computer recently got upgraded from Office 2007 to Office
> 2010. In my database in the code module I have Dim mydb as DAO
> database. Office 2010 seems to want me to put DAO in front of every
> recordset dim statement. EX Dim RS1 as DAO.Recordset. Is there a
> better way than having to do this for the entire database?
> 
> Also since the calendar control no longer exists what is a good
> solution?
> 
> Thank you for your thoughts.
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Nov  4 14:58:38 2015
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 12:58:38 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2010
In-Reply-To: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB08A34A23@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB08A34A23@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <32A9B152F7E74BAC98FA60472B940889@HAL9007>

Explicitly identifying Recordset as DAO is a good idea.  Makes the code more
maintainable down the line and avoids unintended conflicts.

I would do a global replace on "AS Recordset" with "AS DAO.Recordset" with
the option to Replace or Find Next - couldn't take very long, could it?

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Kaup, Chester
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 12:28 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2010

My office computer recently got upgraded from Office 2007 to Office 2010. In
my database in the code module I have Dim mydb as DAO database. Office 2010
seems to want me to put DAO in front of every recordset dim statement. EX
Dim RS1 as DAO.Recordset. Is there a better way than having to do this for
the entire database?

Also since the calendar control no longer exists what is a good solution?

Thank you for your thoughts.
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Wed Nov  4 16:25:01 2015
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 22:25:01 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2010
In-Reply-To: <32A9B152F7E74BAC98FA60472B940889@HAL9007>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB08A34A23@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
	<32A9B152F7E74BAC98FA60472B940889@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <SG2PR04MB0775D0B5C985CE256E587488FC2A0@SG2PR04MB0775.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Agreed. You should do it this way anyway.  Being as explicit as necessary with variables can save you from flaky behaviour and crashes.



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, 5 November 2015 7:59 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2010

Explicitly identifying Recordset as DAO is a good idea.  Makes the code more maintainable down the line and avoids unintended conflicts.

I would do a global replace on "AS Recordset" with "AS DAO.Recordset" with the option to Replace or Find Next - couldn't take very long, could it?

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 12:28 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2010

My office computer recently got upgraded from Office 2007 to Office 2010. In my database in the code module I have Dim mydb as DAO database. Office 2010 seems to want me to put DAO in front of every recordset dim statement. EX Dim RS1 as DAO.Recordset. Is there a better way than having to do this for the entire database?

Also since the calendar control no longer exists what is a good solution?

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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Nov  4 18:13:56 2015
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 19:13:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2010
In-Reply-To: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB08A34A23@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB08A34A23@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <563A9F44.9050900@Gmail.com>

It used to be that if you had ADO and DAO both referenced in the check 
box list, then the ORDER of the listing mattered, and DAO should come 
first. Basically ADO and DAO used the same names for some objects.

It is good habit to always use the prefix anyway, whether forced to or not.

On 11/4/2015 3:27 PM, Kaup, Chester wrote:
> My office computer recently got upgraded from Office 2007 to Office 2010. In my database in the code module I have Dim mydb as DAO database. Office 2010 seems to want me to put DAO in front of every recordset dim statement. EX Dim RS1 as DAO.Recordset. Is there a better way than having to do this for the entire database?
>
> Also since the calendar control no longer exists what is a good solution?
>
> Thank you for your thoughts.

-- 
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From bryan at internode.on.net  Wed Nov  4 18:35:56 2015
From: bryan at internode.on.net (Bryan)
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 11:35:56 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2010
In-Reply-To: <563A9F44.9050900@Gmail.com>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB08A34A23@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
	<563A9F44.9050900@Gmail.com>
Message-ID: <563AA46C.90909@internode.on.net>

The Access 2010 text box control now includes a property "Show Date 
picker", which includes a calendar control.  Select "For Dates" for any 
date field.

Cheers
Bryan

John Colby wrote:
> It used to be that if you had ADO and DAO both referenced in the check 
> box list, then the ORDER of the listing mattered, and DAO should come 
> first. Basically ADO and DAO used the same names for some objects.
>
> It is good habit to always use the prefix anyway, whether forced to or 
> not.
>
> On 11/4/2015 3:27 PM, Kaup, Chester wrote:
>> My office computer recently got upgraded from Office 2007 to Office 
>> 2010. In my database in the code module I have Dim mydb as DAO 
>> database. Office 2010 seems to want me to put DAO in front of every 
>> recordset dim statement. EX Dim RS1 as DAO.Recordset. Is there a 
>> better way than having to do this for the entire database?
>>
>> Also since the calendar control no longer exists what is a good 
>> solution?
>>
>> Thank you for your thoughts.
>


From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu Nov  5 14:17:57 2015
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 20:17:57 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2010
In-Reply-To: <563A9F44.9050900@Gmail.com>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB08A34A23@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
	<563A9F44.9050900@Gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB08A351D6@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>

I did the search and replace adding DAO to the Dim statement for Database and Recordset.

The dbOpenTable in the following line generates the message "Compile Error   Cannot find project library". I am not expert enough to know how to fix this. Your assistance appreciated.

Set Myds = MyDb.OpenRecordset("tbl One Manifold Production for a Time Period", dbOpenTable)


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 6:14 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2010

It used to be that if you had ADO and DAO both referenced in the check box list, then the ORDER of the listing mattered, and DAO should come first. Basically ADO and DAO used the same names for some objects.

It is good habit to always use the prefix anyway, whether forced to or not.

On 11/4/2015 3:27 PM, Kaup, Chester wrote:
> My office computer recently got upgraded from Office 2007 to Office 2010. In my database in the code module I have Dim mydb as DAO database. Office 2010 seems to want me to put DAO in front of every recordset dim statement. EX Dim RS1 as DAO.Recordset. Is there a better way than having to do this for the entire database?
>
> Also since the calendar control no longer exists what is a good solution?
>
> Thank you for your thoughts.

--
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Nov  5 14:22:59 2015
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 12:22:59 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2010
In-Reply-To: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB08A351D6@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB08A34A23@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com><563A9F44.9050900@Gmail.com>
	<8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB08A351D6@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <2E4195EB80C9471A80E17046DA855992@HAL9007>

Stop the code.  On the VBA page go to Tools-->References.  One (or more)
should be marked MISSING.  Scan down the list, find it and check it.

I'm guessing you also have a reference to a VBA library from a version of
access later than the one you're using.  Make sure that one's unchecked.
Close the references dialog box and try a compile.  If you've still got a
problem it'll tell you.

Then write back and we'll make up some other solution. :)

HTH

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Kaup, Chester
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 12:18 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2010

I did the search and replace adding DAO to the Dim statement for Database
and Recordset.

The dbOpenTable in the following line generates the message "Compile Error
Cannot find project library". I am not expert enough to know how to fix
this. Your assistance appreciated.

Set Myds = MyDb.OpenRecordset("tbl One Manifold Production for a Time
Period", dbOpenTable)


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
John Colby
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 6:14 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2010

It used to be that if you had ADO and DAO both referenced in the check box
list, then the ORDER of the listing mattered, and DAO should come first.
Basically ADO and DAO used the same names for some objects.

It is good habit to always use the prefix anyway, whether forced to or not.

On 11/4/2015 3:27 PM, Kaup, Chester wrote:
> My office computer recently got upgraded from Office 2007 to Office 2010.
In my database in the code module I have Dim mydb as DAO database. Office
2010 seems to want me to put DAO in front of every recordset dim statement.
EX Dim RS1 as DAO.Recordset. Is there a better way than having to do this
for the entire database?
>
> Also since the calendar control no longer exists what is a good solution?
>
> Thank you for your thoughts.

--
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Nov  5 14:24:29 2015
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 20:24:29 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2010
In-Reply-To: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB08A351D6@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB08A34A23@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
	<563A9F44.9050900@Gmail.com>
	<8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB08A351D6@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <SG2PR04MB0775EC7191D230A435D1BDD7FC290@SG2PR04MB0775.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Chester,

If you look in the VBE (Visual Basic Editor) under the menu option of "Tools" > "References" - what do you see as ticked / selected?

Regards
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Friday, 6 November 2015 7:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2010

I did the search and replace adding DAO to the Dim statement for Database and Recordset.

The dbOpenTable in the following line generates the message "Compile Error   Cannot find project library". I am not expert enough to know how to fix this. Your assistance appreciated.

Set Myds = MyDb.OpenRecordset("tbl One Manifold Production for a Time Period", dbOpenTable)


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 6:14 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2010

It used to be that if you had ADO and DAO both referenced in the check box list, then the ORDER of the listing mattered, and DAO should come first. Basically ADO and DAO used the same names for some objects.

It is good habit to always use the prefix anyway, whether forced to or not.

On 11/4/2015 3:27 PM, Kaup, Chester wrote:
> My office computer recently got upgraded from Office 2007 to Office 2010. In my database in the code module I have Dim mydb as DAO database. Office 2010 seems to want me to put DAO in front of every recordset dim statement. EX Dim RS1 as DAO.Recordset. Is there a better way than having to do this for the entire database?
>
> Also since the calendar control no longer exists what is a good solution?
>
> Thank you for your thoughts.

--
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu Nov  5 14:43:59 2015
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 20:43:59 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2010
In-Reply-To: <2E4195EB80C9471A80E17046DA855992@HAL9007>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB08A34A23@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com><563A9F44.9050900@Gmail.com>
	<8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB08A351D6@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
	<2E4195EB80C9471A80E17046DA855992@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB08A3523D@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>

The problem is fixed but not in a way I expected. The old version of the database was using the calendar control (MSCAL.OCX). I checked the references and it was checked and of course stated MISSING. I unchecked it and all the code compiles now. Why I do not know.

Thanks for the help.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 2:23 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2010

Stop the code.  On the VBA page go to Tools-->References.  One (or more) should be marked MISSING.  Scan down the list, find it and check it.

I'm guessing you also have a reference to a VBA library from a version of access later than the one you're using.  Make sure that one's unchecked.
Close the references dialog box and try a compile.  If you've still got a problem it'll tell you.

Then write back and we'll make up some other solution. :)

HTH

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 12:18 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2010

I did the search and replace adding DAO to the Dim statement for Database and Recordset.

The dbOpenTable in the following line generates the message "Compile Error Cannot find project library". I am not expert enough to know how to fix this. Your assistance appreciated.

Set Myds = MyDb.OpenRecordset("tbl One Manifold Production for a Time Period", dbOpenTable)


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 6:14 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2010

It used to be that if you had ADO and DAO both referenced in the check box list, then the ORDER of the listing mattered, and DAO should come first.
Basically ADO and DAO used the same names for some objects.

It is good habit to always use the prefix anyway, whether forced to or not.

On 11/4/2015 3:27 PM, Kaup, Chester wrote:
> My office computer recently got upgraded from Office 2007 to Office 2010.
In my database in the code module I have Dim mydb as DAO database. Office
2010 seems to want me to put DAO in front of every recordset dim statement.
EX Dim RS1 as DAO.Recordset. Is there a better way than having to do this for the entire database?
>
> Also since the calendar control no longer exists what is a good solution?
>
> Thank you for your thoughts.

--
John W. Colby

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Nov  5 15:50:25 2015
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2015 07:50:25 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2010
In-Reply-To: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB08A3523D@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB08A34A23@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>,
	<2E4195EB80C9471A80E17046DA855992@HAL9007>,
	<8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB08A3523D@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <563BCF21.21820.190F46C3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

If you have a missing reference, like to an OCX, the error can crop up anywhere when 
Access is trying to re-compile itself.  The first time it comes across a a reference to any 
library during compilation, Access will chack that all of the required ones are available.

The "Set Myds = MyDb.OpenRecordset("  was not a  line of code containing an error.

It was just the first point  where Access went looking for libraries and found one missing. 

-- 
Stuart

On 5 Nov 2015 at 20:43, Kaup, Chester wrote:

> The problem is fixed but not in a way I expected. The old version of
> the database was using the calendar control (MSCAL.OCX). I checked the
> references and it was checked and of course stated MISSING. I
> unchecked it and all the code compiles now. Why I do not know.
> 
> Thanks for the help.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 2:23 PM To: 'Access
> Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD]
> Office 2010
> 
> Stop the code.  On the VBA page go to Tools-->References.  One (or
> more) should be marked MISSING.  Scan down the list, find it and check
> it.
> 
> I'm guessing you also have a reference to a VBA library from a version
> of access later than the one you're using.  Make sure that one's
> unchecked. Close the references dialog box and try a compile.  If
> you've still got a problem it'll tell you.
> 
> Then write back and we'll make up some other solution. :)
> 
> HTH
> 
> Rocky
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Kaup, Chester Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 12:18 PM To: Access
> Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD]
> Office 2010
> 
> I did the search and replace adding DAO to the Dim statement for
> Database and Recordset.
> 
> The dbOpenTable in the following line generates the message "Compile
> Error Cannot find project library". I am not expert enough to know how
> to fix this. Your assistance appreciated.
> 
> Set Myds = MyDb.OpenRecordset("tbl One Manifold Production for a Time
> Period", dbOpenTable)
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of John Colby Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 6:14 PM To: Access
> Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD]
> Office 2010
> 
> It used to be that if you had ADO and DAO both referenced in the check
> box list, then the ORDER of the listing mattered, and DAO should come
> first. Basically ADO and DAO used the same names for some objects.
> 
> It is good habit to always use the prefix anyway, whether forced to or
> not.
> 
> On 11/4/2015 3:27 PM, Kaup, Chester wrote:
> > My office computer recently got upgraded from Office 2007 to Office
> > 2010.
> In my database in the code module I have Dim mydb as DAO database.
> Office 2010 seems to want me to put DAO in front of every recordset
> dim statement. EX Dim RS1 as DAO.Recordset. Is there a better way than
> having to do this for the entire database? > > Also since the calendar
> control no longer exists what is a good solution? > > Thank you for
> your thoughts.
> 
> --
> John W. Colby
> 
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Nov  5 16:18:00 2015
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 22:18:00 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2010
In-Reply-To: <563BCF21.21820.190F46C3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB08A34A23@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>,
	<2E4195EB80C9471A80E17046DA855992@HAL9007>,
	<8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB08A3523D@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
	<563BCF21.21820.190F46C3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <SG2PR04MB0775C967BCD600D4ACC5F0BAFC290@SG2PR04MB0775.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Yep, and to add to Stuart's comments.  It compiles now because it can.  With the missing reference still in place it will bug out, as Stuart explained, when it checks what references are requested vs what is available.

Hope that helps a bit.
Cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Friday, 6 November 2015 8:50 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2010

If you have a missing reference, like to an OCX, the error can crop up anywhere when Access is trying to re-compile itself.  The first time it comes across a a reference to any library during compilation, Access will chack that all of the required ones are available.

The "Set Myds = MyDb.OpenRecordset("  was not a  line of code containing an error.

It was just the first point  where Access went looking for libraries and found one missing. 

--
Stuart

On 5 Nov 2015 at 20:43, Kaup, Chester wrote:

> The problem is fixed but not in a way I expected. The old version of 
> the database was using the calendar control (MSCAL.OCX). I checked the 
> references and it was checked and of course stated MISSING. I 
> unchecked it and all the code compiles now. Why I do not know.
> 
> Thanks for the help.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 2:23 PM To: 'Access 
> Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 
> Office 2010
> 
> Stop the code.  On the VBA page go to Tools-->References.  One (or
> more) should be marked MISSING.  Scan down the list, find it and check 
> it.
> 
> I'm guessing you also have a reference to a VBA library from a version 
> of access later than the one you're using.  Make sure that one's 
> unchecked. Close the references dialog box and try a compile.  If 
> you've still got a problem it'll tell you.
> 
> Then write back and we'll make up some other solution. :)
> 
> HTH
> 
> Rocky
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Kaup, Chester Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 12:18 PM To: Access 
> Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 
> Office 2010
> 
> I did the search and replace adding DAO to the Dim statement for 
> Database and Recordset.
> 
> The dbOpenTable in the following line generates the message "Compile 
> Error Cannot find project library". I am not expert enough to know how 
> to fix this. Your assistance appreciated.
> 
> Set Myds = MyDb.OpenRecordset("tbl One Manifold Production for a Time 
> Period", dbOpenTable)
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of John Colby Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 6:14 PM To: Access 
> Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 
> Office 2010
> 
> It used to be that if you had ADO and DAO both referenced in the check 
> box list, then the ORDER of the listing mattered, and DAO should come 
> first. Basically ADO and DAO used the same names for some objects.
> 
> It is good habit to always use the prefix anyway, whether forced to or 
> not.
> 
> On 11/4/2015 3:27 PM, Kaup, Chester wrote:
> > My office computer recently got upgraded from Office 2007 to Office 
> > 2010.
> In my database in the code module I have Dim mydb as DAO database.
> Office 2010 seems to want me to put DAO in front of every recordset 
> dim statement. EX Dim RS1 as DAO.Recordset. Is there a better way than 
> having to do this for the entire database? > > Also since the calendar 
> control no longer exists what is a good solution? > > Thank you for 
> your thoughts.
> 
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From bradm at blackforestltd.com  Thu Nov  5 16:51:42 2015
From: bradm at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 22:51:42 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2010
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	<2E4195EB80C9471A80E17046DA855992@HAL9007>,
	<8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB08A3523D@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
	<563BCF21.21820.190F46C3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<SG2PR04MB0775C967BCD600D4ACC5F0BAFC290@SG2PR04MB0775.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
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MSCAL.OCX missing ... info at this link might be useful

http://community.spiceworks.com/how_to/5517-how-to-solve-missing-mscal-ocx-reference-in-microsoft-access-2010



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 4:18 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2010

Yep, and to add to Stuart's comments.  It compiles now because it can.  With the missing reference still in place it will bug out, as Stuart explained, when it checks what references are requested vs what is available.

Hope that helps a bit.
Cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Friday, 6 November 2015 8:50 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2010

If you have a missing reference, like to an OCX, the error can crop up anywhere when Access is trying to re-compile itself.  The first time it comes across a a reference to any library during compilation, Access will chack that all of the required ones are available.

The "Set Myds = MyDb.OpenRecordset("  was not a  line of code containing an error.

It was just the first point  where Access went looking for libraries and found one missing. 

--
Stuart

On 5 Nov 2015 at 20:43, Kaup, Chester wrote:

> The problem is fixed but not in a way I expected. The old version of 
> the database was using the calendar control (MSCAL.OCX). I checked the 
> references and it was checked and of course stated MISSING. I 
> unchecked it and all the code compiles now. Why I do not know.
> 
> Thanks for the help.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 2:23 PM To: 'Access 
> Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 
> Office 2010
> 
> Stop the code.  On the VBA page go to Tools-->References.  One (or
> more) should be marked MISSING.  Scan down the list, find it and check 
> it.
> 
> I'm guessing you also have a reference to a VBA library from a version 
> of access later than the one you're using.  Make sure that one's 
> unchecked. Close the references dialog box and try a compile.  If 
> you've still got a problem it'll tell you.
> 
> Then write back and we'll make up some other solution. :)
> 
> HTH
> 
> Rocky
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Kaup, Chester Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 12:18 PM To: Access 
> Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 
> Office 2010
> 
> I did the search and replace adding DAO to the Dim statement for 
> Database and Recordset.
> 
> The dbOpenTable in the following line generates the message "Compile 
> Error Cannot find project library". I am not expert enough to know how 
> to fix this. Your assistance appreciated.
> 
> Set Myds = MyDb.OpenRecordset("tbl One Manifold Production for a Time 
> Period", dbOpenTable)
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of John Colby Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 6:14 PM To: Access 
> Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 
> Office 2010
> 
> It used to be that if you had ADO and DAO both referenced in the check 
> box list, then the ORDER of the listing mattered, and DAO should come 
> first. Basically ADO and DAO used the same names for some objects.
> 
> It is good habit to always use the prefix anyway, whether forced to or 
> not.
> 
> On 11/4/2015 3:27 PM, Kaup, Chester wrote:
> > My office computer recently got upgraded from Office 2007 to Office 
> > 2010.
> In my database in the code module I have Dim mydb as DAO database.
> Office 2010 seems to want me to put DAO in front of every recordset 
> dim statement. EX Dim RS1 as DAO.Recordset. Is there a better way than 
> having to do this for the entire database? > > Also since the calendar 
> control no longer exists what is a good solution? > > Thank you for 
> your thoughts.
> 
> --
> John W. Colby
> 
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From jerbach.db at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 17:03:28 2015
From: jerbach.db at gmail.com (Janet Erbach)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 17:03:28 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Digital Signatures
Message-ID: <CA+bdhChLrMA6P_Rq3zUNChp9mtnvf4uEYovtDW4xMz1HT3nguQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello!

Have any of you implemented a way to capture a digital signature on an
access form?  I haven't found too much help through google searches.  After
playing around for awhile with a test form, I found that an unbound bitmap
image allows me to get the signature - but it's a clunky interface.  Any
ideas for me?

Thank you!

Janet Erbach

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Nov  5 17:24:46 2015
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2015 09:24:46 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Digital Signatures
In-Reply-To: <CA+bdhChLrMA6P_Rq3zUNChp9mtnvf4uEYovtDW4xMz1HT3nguQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+bdhChLrMA6P_Rq3zUNChp9mtnvf4uEYovtDW4xMz1HT3nguQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <563BE53E.4761.1965A7E7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

"What do you mean by "digital signature"?  There are several methods of "digitally signing" 
something including using public/private key encryption or embedidng a facsimile of a written 
signature.   In the latter case, the facsimile can either by scanned or captured   

Do you mean the last case where someone draws on an input device such as a graphics pad 
or tries to scrawl their signature with a mouse?  If so, what sort of input are you using?




On 5 Nov 2015 at 17:03, Janet Erbach wrote:

> Hello!
> 
> Have any of you implemented a way to capture a digital signature on an
> access form?  I haven't found too much help through google searches. 
> After playing around for awhile with a test form, I found that an
> unbound bitmap image allows me to get the signature - but it's a
> clunky interface.  Any ideas for me?
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> Janet Erbach
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From jerbach.db at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 09:36:11 2015
From: jerbach.db at gmail.com (Janet Erbach)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 09:36:11 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Digital Signatures
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Stuart -

Yes, a digital tablet and pen is what I was referring to.  I have an
inexpensive usb tablet to test with; this is for an employee reviews
application, and the idea is to have the whole thing be paperless.  The
review is completed in the Access app, the supervisor meets with the
employee, and then both would (in theory) sign the document digitally using
the pad.

My husband thinks it's a waste of time to pursue doing this through
access...he says it's bad enough at his workplace getting it to work
properly in C#. He thinks that printing the review, signing the paper, and
then scanning it and storing a link to the image is the way to go...

Janet

On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
wrote:

> "What do you mean by "digital signature"?  There are several methods of
> "digitally signing"
> something including using public/private key encryption or embedidng a
> facsimile of a written
> signature.   In the latter case, the facsimile can either by scanned or
> captured
>
> Do you mean the last case where someone draws on an input device such as a
> graphics pad
> or tries to scrawl their signature with a mouse?  If so, what sort of
> input are you using?
>
>
>
>
> On 5 Nov 2015 at 17:03, Janet Erbach wrote:
>
> > Hello!
> >
> > Have any of you implemented a way to capture a digital signature on an
> > access form?  I haven't found too much help through google searches.
> > After playing around for awhile with a test form, I found that an
> > unbound bitmap image allows me to get the signature - but it's a
> > clunky interface.  Any ideas for me?
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> > Janet Erbach
> > --
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> >
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov  6 09:40:54 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 15:40:54 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Digital Signatures
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB1584E4E376345C77782C0DE8CA280@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Janet

What a clever husband you have!

/gustav

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Sendt: 6. november 2015 16:36
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Emne: Re: [AccessD] Digital Signatures

Stuart -

Yes, a digital tablet and pen is what I was referring to.  I have an inexpensive usb tablet to test with; this is for an employee reviews application, and the idea is to have the whole thing be paperless.  The review is completed in the Access app, the supervisor meets with the employee, and then both would (in theory) sign the document digitally using the pad.

My husband thinks it's a waste of time to pursue doing this through access...he says it's bad enough at his workplace getting it to work properly in C#. He thinks that printing the review, signing the paper, and then scanning it and storing a link to the image is the way to go...

Janet

On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
wrote:

> "What do you mean by "digital signature"?  There are several methods 
> of "digitally signing"
> something including using public/private key encryption or embedidng a 
> facsimile of a written
> signature.   In the latter case, the facsimile can either by scanned or
> captured
>
> Do you mean the last case where someone draws on an input device such 
> as a graphics pad or tries to scrawl their signature with a mouse?  If 
> so, what sort of input are you using?
>
>
>
>
> On 5 Nov 2015 at 17:03, Janet Erbach wrote:
>
> > Hello!
> >
> > Have any of you implemented a way to capture a digital signature on 
> > an access form?  I haven't found too much help through google searches.
> > After playing around for awhile with a test form, I found that an 
> > unbound bitmap image allows me to get the signature - but it's a 
> > clunky interface.  Any ideas for me?
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> > Janet Erbach 


From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Fri Nov  6 09:42:02 2015
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 15:42:02 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Digital Signatures
In-Reply-To: <CA+bdhCjRPH0JMBdegebOMVCnDmzdD047yyRKrAzvX4h1vTVQgg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+bdhChLrMA6P_Rq3zUNChp9mtnvf4uEYovtDW4xMz1HT3nguQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CALGJE95sMUV=U+5CknVO9E4ZNJip9LU=Ubtu21hBgjbmnQ=53w@mail.gmail.com>

You could do a little mix of both, we had a little photo scanner at my old
place that I had to get to work with Access and a VB6 application for
employee photo's to be added to their record.  You could do the review in
Access, then get both the supervisor and employee to sign a little piece of
paper, then just scan the signatures onto the application.

On 6 November 2015 at 15:36, Janet Erbach <jerbach.db at gmail.com> wrote:

> Stuart -
>
> Yes, a digital tablet and pen is what I was referring to.  I have an
> inexpensive usb tablet to test with; this is for an employee reviews
> application, and the idea is to have the whole thing be paperless.  The
> review is completed in the Access app, the supervisor meets with the
> employee, and then both would (in theory) sign the document digitally using
> the pad.
>
> My husband thinks it's a waste of time to pursue doing this through
> access...he says it's bad enough at his workplace getting it to work
> properly in C#. He thinks that printing the review, signing the paper, and
> then scanning it and storing a link to the image is the way to go...
>
> Janet
>
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> wrote:
>
> > "What do you mean by "digital signature"?  There are several methods of
> > "digitally signing"
> > something including using public/private key encryption or embedidng a
> > facsimile of a written
> > signature.   In the latter case, the facsimile can either by scanned or
> > captured
> >
> > Do you mean the last case where someone draws on an input device such as
> a
> > graphics pad
> > or tries to scrawl their signature with a mouse?  If so, what sort of
> > input are you using?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 5 Nov 2015 at 17:03, Janet Erbach wrote:
> >
> > > Hello!
> > >
> > > Have any of you implemented a way to capture a digital signature on an
> > > access form?  I haven't found too much help through google searches.
> > > After playing around for awhile with a test form, I found that an
> > > unbound bitmap image allows me to get the signature - but it's a
> > > clunky interface.  Any ideas for me?
> > >
> > > Thank you!
> > >
> > > Janet Erbach
> > > --
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> > >
> >
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 10:33:06 2015
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 08:33:06 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Digital Signatures
In-Reply-To: <CA+bdhCjRPH0JMBdegebOMVCnDmzdD047yyRKrAzvX4h1vTVQgg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+bdhChLrMA6P_Rq3zUNChp9mtnvf4uEYovtDW4xMz1HT3nguQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<563BE53E.4761.1965A7E7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CA+bdhCjRPH0JMBdegebOMVCnDmzdD047yyRKrAzvX4h1vTVQgg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met-nRM6jSO36=BwUaeBQR9Jgs_GRZJh4UzZg+ksZHjbuqw@mail.gmail.com>

Janet,

At my previous full time job, our application did exactly what you're
talking about.  We started with it in Access and later migrated it to vb.net,
but in both cases we used signature tablets from Topaz.  There's work
involved, because you have security issues when you store signatures (we
encrypted/decrypted ours).  You need to have an API to program to for the
tablet.  It's doable, but may not be worth the effort.  There are
electronic signature verification services available to validate typed
e-signatures, so that might be a better way to go.  Storing signatures
electronically is fraught with security issues.

Charlotte

Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 7:36 AM, Janet Erbach <jerbach.db at gmail.com> wrote:

> Stuart -
>
> Yes, a digital tablet and pen is what I was referring to.  I have an
> inexpensive usb tablet to test with; this is for an employee reviews
> application, and the idea is to have the whole thing be paperless.  The
> review is completed in the Access app, the supervisor meets with the
> employee, and then both would (in theory) sign the document digitally using
> the pad.
>
> My husband thinks it's a waste of time to pursue doing this through
> access...he says it's bad enough at his workplace getting it to work
> properly in C#. He thinks that printing the review, signing the paper, and
> then scanning it and storing a link to the image is the way to go...
>
> Janet
>
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> wrote:
>
> > "What do you mean by "digital signature"?  There are several methods of
> > "digitally signing"
> > something including using public/private key encryption or embedidng a
> > facsimile of a written
> > signature.   In the latter case, the facsimile can either by scanned or
> > captured
> >
> > Do you mean the last case where someone draws on an input device such as
> a
> > graphics pad
> > or tries to scrawl their signature with a mouse?  If so, what sort of
> > input are you using?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 5 Nov 2015 at 17:03, Janet Erbach wrote:
> >
> > > Hello!
> > >
> > > Have any of you implemented a way to capture a digital signature on an
> > > access form?  I haven't found too much help through google searches.
> > > After playing around for awhile with a test form, I found that an
> > > unbound bitmap image allows me to get the signature - but it's a
> > > clunky interface.  Any ideas for me?
> > >
> > > Thank you!
> > >
> > > Janet Erbach
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
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From jeff.developer at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 10:37:27 2015
From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff Barrows)
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2015 10:37:27 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Digital Signatures
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Have you considered using ASP.net or some other web app?  I use a very simple add-in to collect real signatures from clients, store them on the server, and can save the actual document with signatures as a PDF if necessary.

Thank You,

Jeff Barrows
Jeff.developer at gmail.com







On 11/6/15, 10:33 AM, "AccessD on behalf of Charlotte Foust" <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of charlotte.foust at gmail.com> wrote:

>Janet,
>
>At my previous full time job, our application did exactly what you're
>talking about.  We started with it in Access and later migrated it to vb.net,
>but in both cases we used signature tablets from Topaz.  There's work
>involved, because you have security issues when you store signatures (we
>encrypted/decrypted ours).  You need to have an API to program to for the
>tablet.  It's doable, but may not be worth the effort.  There are
>electronic signature verification services available to validate typed
>e-signatures, so that might be a better way to go.  Storing signatures
>electronically is fraught with security issues.
>
>Charlotte
>
>Charlotte Foust
>(916) 206-4336
>
>On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 7:36 AM, Janet Erbach <jerbach.db at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Stuart -
>>
>> Yes, a digital tablet and pen is what I was referring to.  I have an
>> inexpensive usb tablet to test with; this is for an employee reviews
>> application, and the idea is to have the whole thing be paperless.  The
>> review is completed in the Access app, the supervisor meets with the
>> employee, and then both would (in theory) sign the document digitally using
>> the pad.
>>
>> My husband thinks it's a waste of time to pursue doing this through
>> access...he says it's bad enough at his workplace getting it to work
>> properly in C#. He thinks that printing the review, signing the paper, and
>> then scanning it and storing a link to the image is the way to go...
>>
>> Janet
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > "What do you mean by "digital signature"?  There are several methods of
>> > "digitally signing"
>> > something including using public/private key encryption or embedidng a
>> > facsimile of a written
>> > signature.   In the latter case, the facsimile can either by scanned or
>> > captured
>> >
>> > Do you mean the last case where someone draws on an input device such as
>> a
>> > graphics pad
>> > or tries to scrawl their signature with a mouse?  If so, what sort of
>> > input are you using?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 5 Nov 2015 at 17:03, Janet Erbach wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hello!
>> > >
>> > > Have any of you implemented a way to capture a digital signature on an
>> > > access form?  I haven't found too much help through google searches.
>> > > After playing around for awhile with a test form, I found that an
>> > > unbound bitmap image allows me to get the signature - but it's a
>> > > clunky interface.  Any ideas for me?
>> > >
>> > > Thank you!
>> > >
>> > > Janet Erbach
>> > > --
>> > > AccessD mailing list
>> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> > >
>> >
>> >
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>> >
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From jerbach.db at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 11:32:52 2015
From: jerbach.db at gmail.com (Janet Erbach)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 11:32:52 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Digital Signatures
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Thank you all for your comments!

Charlotte, I had read about Topaz tablets yesterday, so I know what we're
referring to.  But there's no way I'm going to get budget approval for
those, as my company just went on a serious no-extraneous-expenditure
diet.  And the same would apply to getting small scanners to hook up at the
supervisor's workstation.

Jeff - can you please tell me a bit more about the ASP/net add in you use?

And Gustav, I will tell my husband you approve of his methodology.  :) That
may be the route I have to take for now until the company starts spending
money again.

Janet

On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 10:37 AM, Jeff Barrows <jeff.developer at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Have you considered using ASP.net or some other web app?  I use a very
> simple add-in to collect real signatures from clients, store them on the
> server, and can save the actual document with signatures as a PDF if
> necessary.
>
> Thank You,
>
> Jeff Barrows
> Jeff.developer at gmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 11/6/15, 10:33 AM, "AccessD on behalf of Charlotte Foust" <
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of
> charlotte.foust at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Janet,
> >
> >At my previous full time job, our application did exactly what you're
> >talking about.  We started with it in Access and later migrated it to
> vb.net,
> >but in both cases we used signature tablets from Topaz.  There's work
> >involved, because you have security issues when you store signatures (we
> >encrypted/decrypted ours).  You need to have an API to program to for the
> >tablet.  It's doable, but may not be worth the effort.  There are
> >electronic signature verification services available to validate typed
> >e-signatures, so that might be a better way to go.  Storing signatures
> >electronically is fraught with security issues.
> >
> >Charlotte
> >
> >Charlotte Foust
> >(916) 206-4336
> >
> >On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 7:36 AM, Janet Erbach <jerbach.db at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Stuart -
> >>
> >> Yes, a digital tablet and pen is what I was referring to.  I have an
> >> inexpensive usb tablet to test with; this is for an employee reviews
> >> application, and the idea is to have the whole thing be paperless.  The
> >> review is completed in the Access app, the supervisor meets with the
> >> employee, and then both would (in theory) sign the document digitally
> using
> >> the pad.
> >>
> >> My husband thinks it's a waste of time to pursue doing this through
> >> access...he says it's bad enough at his workplace getting it to work
> >> properly in C#. He thinks that printing the review, signing the paper,
> and
> >> then scanning it and storing a link to the image is the way to go...
> >>
> >> Janet
> >>
> >> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Stuart McLachlan <
> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > "What do you mean by "digital signature"?  There are several methods
> of
> >> > "digitally signing"
> >> > something including using public/private key encryption or embedidng a
> >> > facsimile of a written
> >> > signature.   In the latter case, the facsimile can either by scanned
> or
> >> > captured
> >> >
> >> > Do you mean the last case where someone draws on an input device such
> as
> >> a
> >> > graphics pad
> >> > or tries to scrawl their signature with a mouse?  If so, what sort of
> >> > input are you using?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 5 Nov 2015 at 17:03, Janet Erbach wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Hello!
> >> > >
> >> > > Have any of you implemented a way to capture a digital signature on
> an
> >> > > access form?  I haven't found too much help through google searches.
> >> > > After playing around for awhile with a test form, I found that an
> >> > > unbound bitmap image allows me to get the signature - but it's a
> >> > > clunky interface.  Any ideas for me?
> >> > >
> >> > > Thank you!
> >> > >
> >> > > Janet Erbach
> >> > > --
> >> > > AccessD mailing list
> >> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > AccessD mailing list
> >> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >> >
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 11:49:23 2015
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 12:49:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Digital Signatures
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I think the wrinkle with that idea is that the signature must be recorded
on the reviewed document, not something merged later. It's your only proof
they signed THAT (oh and by the way ONLY THAT) document.
On Nov 6, 2015 11:39 AM, "Jeff Barrows" <jeff.developer at gmail.com> wrote:

> Have you considered using ASP.net or some other web app?  I use a very
> simple add-in to collect real signatures from clients, store them on the
> server, and can save the actual document with signatures as a PDF if
> necessary.
>
> Thank You,
>
> Jeff Barrows
> Jeff.developer at gmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 11/6/15, 10:33 AM, "AccessD on behalf of Charlotte Foust" <
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of
> charlotte.foust at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Janet,
> >
> >At my previous full time job, our application did exactly what you're
> >talking about.  We started with it in Access and later migrated it to
> vb.net,
> >but in both cases we used signature tablets from Topaz.  There's work
> >involved, because you have security issues when you store signatures (we
> >encrypted/decrypted ours).  You need to have an API to program to for the
> >tablet.  It's doable, but may not be worth the effort.  There are
> >electronic signature verification services available to validate typed
> >e-signatures, so that might be a better way to go.  Storing signatures
> >electronically is fraught with security issues.
> >
> >Charlotte
> >
> >Charlotte Foust
> >(916) 206-4336
> >
> >On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 7:36 AM, Janet Erbach <jerbach.db at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Stuart -
> >>
> >> Yes, a digital tablet and pen is what I was referring to.  I have an
> >> inexpensive usb tablet to test with; this is for an employee reviews
> >> application, and the idea is to have the whole thing be paperless.  The
> >> review is completed in the Access app, the supervisor meets with the
> >> employee, and then both would (in theory) sign the document digitally
> using
> >> the pad.
> >>
> >> My husband thinks it's a waste of time to pursue doing this through
> >> access...he says it's bad enough at his workplace getting it to work
> >> properly in C#. He thinks that printing the review, signing the paper,
> and
> >> then scanning it and storing a link to the image is the way to go...
> >>
> >> Janet
> >>
> >> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Stuart McLachlan <
> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > "What do you mean by "digital signature"?  There are several methods
> of
> >> > "digitally signing"
> >> > something including using public/private key encryption or embedidng a
> >> > facsimile of a written
> >> > signature.   In the latter case, the facsimile can either by scanned
> or
> >> > captured
> >> >
> >> > Do you mean the last case where someone draws on an input device such
> as
> >> a
> >> > graphics pad
> >> > or tries to scrawl their signature with a mouse?  If so, what sort of
> >> > input are you using?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 5 Nov 2015 at 17:03, Janet Erbach wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Hello!
> >> > >
> >> > > Have any of you implemented a way to capture a digital signature on
> an
> >> > > access form?  I haven't found too much help through google searches.
> >> > > After playing around for awhile with a test form, I found that an
> >> > > unbound bitmap image allows me to get the signature - but it's a
> >> > > clunky interface.  Any ideas for me?
> >> > >
> >> > > Thank you!
> >> > >
> >> > > Janet Erbach
> >> > > --
> >> > > AccessD mailing list
> >> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
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> >> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From jeff.developer at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 12:29:40 2015
From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 12:29:40 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Digital Signatures
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I'm not at the office any more today, but I believe the add-in is called SuperSignature.  I'll check to make sure as soon as I can.  I created a website for field technicians to report on what they did, and get a signature from the manager on duty.  We store a link to the signature in our SQL database and name the signature with (in our situation) the associated JobNumber.

If you want to see it in action, I can provide you with a link to the test website I use.

You are in Wisconsin, aren't you?  I'm down in Racine, and could probably arrange a 'live' demo if you wanted.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 6, 2015, at 11:32 AM, Janet Erbach <jerbach.db at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thank you all for your comments!
> 
> Charlotte, I had read about Topaz tablets yesterday, so I know what we're
> referring to.  But there's no way I'm going to get budget approval for
> those, as my company just went on a serious no-extraneous-expenditure
> diet.  And the same would apply to getting small scanners to hook up at the
> supervisor's workstation.
> 
> Jeff - can you please tell me a bit more about the ASP/net add in you use?
> 
> And Gustav, I will tell my husband you approve of his methodology.  :) That
> may be the route I have to take for now until the company starts spending
> money again.
> 
> Janet
> 
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 10:37 AM, Jeff Barrows <jeff.developer at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Have you considered using ASP.net or some other web app?  I use a very
>> simple add-in to collect real signatures from clients, store them on the
>> server, and can save the actual document with signatures as a PDF if
>> necessary.
>> 
>> Thank You,
>> 
>> Jeff Barrows
>> Jeff.developer at gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/6/15, 10:33 AM, "AccessD on behalf of Charlotte Foust" <
>> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of
>> charlotte.foust at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Janet,
>>> 
>>> At my previous full time job, our application did exactly what you're
>>> talking about.  We started with it in Access and later migrated it to
>> vb.net,
>>> but in both cases we used signature tablets from Topaz.  There's work
>>> involved, because you have security issues when you store signatures (we
>>> encrypted/decrypted ours).  You need to have an API to program to for the
>>> tablet.  It's doable, but may not be worth the effort.  There are
>>> electronic signature verification services available to validate typed
>>> e-signatures, so that might be a better way to go.  Storing signatures
>>> electronically is fraught with security issues.
>>> 
>>> Charlotte
>>> 
>>> Charlotte Foust
>>> (916) 206-4336
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 7:36 AM, Janet Erbach <jerbach.db at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Stuart -
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, a digital tablet and pen is what I was referring to.  I have an
>>>> inexpensive usb tablet to test with; this is for an employee reviews
>>>> application, and the idea is to have the whole thing be paperless.  The
>>>> review is completed in the Access app, the supervisor meets with the
>>>> employee, and then both would (in theory) sign the document digitally
>> using
>>>> the pad.
>>>> 
>>>> My husband thinks it's a waste of time to pursue doing this through
>>>> access...he says it's bad enough at his workplace getting it to work
>>>> properly in C#. He thinks that printing the review, signing the paper,
>> and
>>>> then scanning it and storing a link to the image is the way to go...
>>>> 
>>>> Janet
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Stuart McLachlan <
>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> "What do you mean by "digital signature"?  There are several methods
>> of
>>>>> "digitally signing"
>>>>> something including using public/private key encryption or embedidng a
>>>>> facsimile of a written
>>>>> signature.   In the latter case, the facsimile can either by scanned
>> or
>>>>> captured
>>>>> 
>>>>> Do you mean the last case where someone draws on an input device such
>> as
>>>> a
>>>>> graphics pad
>>>>> or tries to scrawl their signature with a mouse?  If so, what sort of
>>>>> input are you using?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 5 Nov 2015 at 17:03, Janet Erbach wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Have any of you implemented a way to capture a digital signature on
>> an
>>>>>> access form?  I haven't found too much help through google searches.
>>>>>> After playing around for awhile with a test form, I found that an
>>>>>> unbound bitmap image allows me to get the signature - but it's a
>>>>>> clunky interface.  Any ideas for me?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Janet Erbach
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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From jerbach.db at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 14:09:06 2015
From: jerbach.db at gmail.com (Janet Erbach)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 14:09:06 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Digital Signatures
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Jeff -

There's no rush as I won't be able to look into this again until mid next
week anyway.  Yes, I'm in Wisconsin - Neenah, in fact.  Let me know next
week if 'SuperSignature' is indeed the add in...if I'm not snowed under
next week (which is a distinct metaphorical possibility) then I a live demo
could be very helpful.  Thank you.

Janet

On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Jeff <jeff.developer at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm not at the office any more today, but I believe the add-in is called
> SuperSignature.  I'll check to make sure as soon as I can.  I created a
> website for field technicians to report on what they did, and get a
> signature from the manager on duty.  We store a link to the signature in
> our SQL database and name the signature with (in our situation) the
> associated JobNumber.
>
> If you want to see it in action, I can provide you with a link to the test
> website I use.
>
> You are in Wisconsin, aren't you?  I'm down in Racine, and could probably
> arrange a 'live' demo if you wanted.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 6, 2015, at 11:32 AM, Janet Erbach <jerbach.db at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you all for your comments!
> >
> > Charlotte, I had read about Topaz tablets yesterday, so I know what we're
> > referring to.  But there's no way I'm going to get budget approval for
> > those, as my company just went on a serious no-extraneous-expenditure
> > diet.  And the same would apply to getting small scanners to hook up at
> the
> > supervisor's workstation.
> >
> > Jeff - can you please tell me a bit more about the ASP/net add in you
> use?
> >
> > And Gustav, I will tell my husband you approve of his methodology.  :)
> That
> > may be the route I have to take for now until the company starts spending
> > money again.
> >
> > Janet
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 10:37 AM, Jeff Barrows <jeff.developer at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Have you considered using ASP.net or some other web app?  I use a very
> >> simple add-in to collect real signatures from clients, store them on the
> >> server, and can save the actual document with signatures as a PDF if
> >> necessary.
> >>
> >> Thank You,
> >>
> >> Jeff Barrows
> >> Jeff.developer at gmail.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 11/6/15, 10:33 AM, "AccessD on behalf of Charlotte Foust" <
> >> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of
> >> charlotte.foust at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Janet,
> >>>
> >>> At my previous full time job, our application did exactly what you're
> >>> talking about.  We started with it in Access and later migrated it to
> >> vb.net,
> >>> but in both cases we used signature tablets from Topaz.  There's work
> >>> involved, because you have security issues when you store signatures
> (we
> >>> encrypted/decrypted ours).  You need to have an API to program to for
> the
> >>> tablet.  It's doable, but may not be worth the effort.  There are
> >>> electronic signature verification services available to validate typed
> >>> e-signatures, so that might be a better way to go.  Storing signatures
> >>> electronically is fraught with security issues.
> >>>
> >>> Charlotte
> >>>
> >>> Charlotte Foust
> >>> (916) 206-4336
> >>>
> >>>> On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 7:36 AM, Janet Erbach <jerbach.db at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Stuart -
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, a digital tablet and pen is what I was referring to.  I have an
> >>>> inexpensive usb tablet to test with; this is for an employee reviews
> >>>> application, and the idea is to have the whole thing be paperless.
> The
> >>>> review is completed in the Access app, the supervisor meets with the
> >>>> employee, and then both would (in theory) sign the document digitally
> >> using
> >>>> the pad.
> >>>>
> >>>> My husband thinks it's a waste of time to pursue doing this through
> >>>> access...he says it's bad enough at his workplace getting it to work
> >>>> properly in C#. He thinks that printing the review, signing the paper,
> >> and
> >>>> then scanning it and storing a link to the image is the way to go...
> >>>>
> >>>> Janet
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Stuart McLachlan <
> >> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> "What do you mean by "digital signature"?  There are several methods
> >> of
> >>>>> "digitally signing"
> >>>>> something including using public/private key encryption or embedidng
> a
> >>>>> facsimile of a written
> >>>>> signature.   In the latter case, the facsimile can either by scanned
> >> or
> >>>>> captured
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Do you mean the last case where someone draws on an input device such
> >> as
> >>>> a
> >>>>> graphics pad
> >>>>> or tries to scrawl their signature with a mouse?  If so, what sort of
> >>>>> input are you using?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 5 Nov 2015 at 17:03, Janet Erbach wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hello!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Have any of you implemented a way to capture a digital signature on
> >> an
> >>>>>> access form?  I haven't found too much help through google searches.
> >>>>>> After playing around for awhile with a test form, I found that an
> >>>>>> unbound bitmap image allows me to get the signature - but it's a
> >>>>>> clunky interface.  Any ideas for me?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thank you!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Janet Erbach
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> AccessD mailing list
> >>>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> AccessD mailing list
> >>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>>> --
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> >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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> >>> AccessD mailing list
> >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >> --
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Nov  8 16:02:36 2015
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 22:02:36 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Digital Signatures
In-Reply-To: <CA+bdhCjVsdcNXfyERYKWO8R8fbndZi2SK9zEBasf1SesLc5oZw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+bdhChLrMA6P_Rq3zUNChp9mtnvf4uEYovtDW4xMz1HT3nguQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<563BE53E.4761.1965A7E7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CA+bdhCjRPH0JMBdegebOMVCnDmzdD047yyRKrAzvX4h1vTVQgg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met-nRM6jSO36=BwUaeBQR9Jgs_GRZJh4UzZg+ksZHjbuqw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CC9E0918-8EE2-4D6D-8129-5449F5B498EE@gmail.com>
	<CA+bdhCjVsdcNXfyERYKWO8R8fbndZi2SK9zEBasf1SesLc5oZw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SG2PR04MB0775DCFB50A6BA79CB2E5BCFFC160@SG2PR04MB0775.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

"That may be the route I have to take for now until the company starts spending money again."

Heh.. That was my thought exactly.  If you are budget constrained than it will be hard to bet the scanner approach.
Another possible option maybe to use an external solution like 'Docusign".

<<https://www.docusign.com.au/how-it-works/electronic-signature>

We used this when we purchased a house in the US and it was great.  Saved a ton of time and stuffing around.
No idea if that is feasible for you or not, but worth considering.

Cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Janet Erbach
Sent: Saturday, 7 November 2015 4:33 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Digital Signatures

Thank you all for your comments!

Charlotte, I had read about Topaz tablets yesterday, so I know what we're referring to.  But there's no way I'm going to get budget approval for those, as my company just went on a serious no-extraneous-expenditure diet.  And the same would apply to getting small scanners to hook up at the supervisor's workstation.

Jeff - can you please tell me a bit more about the ASP/net add in you use?

And Gustav, I will tell my husband you approve of his methodology.  :) That may be the route I have to take for now until the company starts spending money again.

Janet

On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 10:37 AM, Jeff Barrows <jeff.developer at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Have you considered using ASP.net or some other web app?  I use a very 
> simple add-in to collect real signatures from clients, store them on 
> the server, and can save the actual document with signatures as a PDF 
> if necessary.
>
> Thank You,
>
> Jeff Barrows
> Jeff.developer at gmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 11/6/15, 10:33 AM, "AccessD on behalf of Charlotte Foust" < 
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of 
> charlotte.foust at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Janet,
> >
> >At my previous full time job, our application did exactly what you're 
> >talking about.  We started with it in Access and later migrated it to
> vb.net,
> >but in both cases we used signature tablets from Topaz.  There's work 
> >involved, because you have security issues when you store signatures 
> >(we encrypted/decrypted ours).  You need to have an API to program to 
> >for the tablet.  It's doable, but may not be worth the effort.  There 
> >are electronic signature verification services available to validate 
> >typed e-signatures, so that might be a better way to go.  Storing 
> >signatures electronically is fraught with security issues.
> >
> >Charlotte
> >
> >Charlotte Foust
> >(916) 206-4336
> >
> >On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 7:36 AM, Janet Erbach <jerbach.db at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Stuart -
> >>
> >> Yes, a digital tablet and pen is what I was referring to.  I have 
> >> an inexpensive usb tablet to test with; this is for an employee 
> >> reviews application, and the idea is to have the whole thing be 
> >> paperless.  The review is completed in the Access app, the 
> >> supervisor meets with the employee, and then both would (in theory) 
> >> sign the document digitally
> using
> >> the pad.
> >>
> >> My husband thinks it's a waste of time to pursue doing this through 
> >> access...he says it's bad enough at his workplace getting it to 
> >> work properly in C#. He thinks that printing the review, signing 
> >> the paper,
> and
> >> then scanning it and storing a link to the image is the way to go...
> >>
> >> Janet
> >>
> >> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Stuart McLachlan <
> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > "What do you mean by "digital signature"?  There are several 
> >> > methods
> of
> >> > "digitally signing"
> >> > something including using public/private key encryption or 
> >> > embedidng a facsimile of a written
> >> > signature.   In the latter case, the facsimile can either by scanned
> or
> >> > captured
> >> >
> >> > Do you mean the last case where someone draws on an input device 
> >> > such
> as
> >> a
> >> > graphics pad
> >> > or tries to scrawl their signature with a mouse?  If so, what 
> >> > sort of input are you using?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 5 Nov 2015 at 17:03, Janet Erbach wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Hello!
> >> > >
> >> > > Have any of you implemented a way to capture a digital 
> >> > > signature on
> an
> >> > > access form?  I haven't found too much help through google searches.
> >> > > After playing around for awhile with a test form, I found that 
> >> > > an unbound bitmap image allows me to get the signature - but 
> >> > > it's a clunky interface.  Any ideas for me?
> >> > >
> >> > > Thank you!
> >> > >
> >> > > Janet Erbach
> >> > > --
> >> > > AccessD mailing list
> >> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > AccessD mailing list
> >> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >> >
> >> --
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> >>
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From jeff.developer at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 07:52:41 2015
From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff Barrows)
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2015 07:52:41 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Digital Signatures
In-Reply-To: <CA+bdhCjVsdcNXfyERYKWO8R8fbndZi2SK9zEBasf1SesLc5oZw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+bdhChLrMA6P_Rq3zUNChp9mtnvf4uEYovtDW4xMz1HT3nguQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<563BE53E.4761.1965A7E7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CA+bdhCjRPH0JMBdegebOMVCnDmzdD047yyRKrAzvX4h1vTVQgg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met-nRM6jSO36=BwUaeBQR9Jgs_GRZJh4UzZg+ksZHjbuqw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CC9E0918-8EE2-4D6D-8129-5449F5B498EE@gmail.com>
	<CA+bdhCjVsdcNXfyERYKWO8R8fbndZi2SK9zEBasf1SesLc5oZw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <221BEDBB-5B1F-42A6-BAF6-5CBC6BD8FA68@gmail.com>

Janet,

The signature add-in IS called Super Signature.  There website is www.supersignature.com

If you want to contact me directly, my email address is in my signature.


Thank You,

Jeff Barrows
Jeff.developer at gmail.com






On 11/6/15, 11:32 AM, "AccessD on behalf of Janet Erbach" <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of jerbach.db at gmail.com> wrote:

>Thank you all for your comments!
>
>Charlotte, I had read about Topaz tablets yesterday, so I know what we're
>referring to.  But there's no way I'm going to get budget approval for
>those, as my company just went on a serious no-extraneous-expenditure
>diet.  And the same would apply to getting small scanners to hook up at the
>supervisor's workstation.
>
>Jeff - can you please tell me a bit more about the ASP/net add in you use?
>
>And Gustav, I will tell my husband you approve of his methodology.  :) That
>may be the route I have to take for now until the company starts spending
>money again.
>
>Janet
>
>On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 10:37 AM, Jeff Barrows <jeff.developer at gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> Have you considered using ASP.net or some other web app?  I use a very
>> simple add-in to collect real signatures from clients, store them on the
>> server, and can save the actual document with signatures as a PDF if
>> necessary.
>>
>> Thank You,
>>
>> Jeff Barrows
>> Jeff.developer at gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/6/15, 10:33 AM, "AccessD on behalf of Charlotte Foust" <
>> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of
>> charlotte.foust at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Janet,
>> >
>> >At my previous full time job, our application did exactly what you're
>> >talking about.  We started with it in Access and later migrated it to
>> vb.net,
>> >but in both cases we used signature tablets from Topaz.  There's work
>> >involved, because you have security issues when you store signatures (we
>> >encrypted/decrypted ours).  You need to have an API to program to for the
>> >tablet.  It's doable, but may not be worth the effort.  There are
>> >electronic signature verification services available to validate typed
>> >e-signatures, so that might be a better way to go.  Storing signatures
>> >electronically is fraught with security issues.
>> >
>> >Charlotte
>> >
>> >Charlotte Foust
>> >(916) 206-4336
>> >
>> >On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 7:36 AM, Janet Erbach <jerbach.db at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Stuart -
>> >>
>> >> Yes, a digital tablet and pen is what I was referring to.  I have an
>> >> inexpensive usb tablet to test with; this is for an employee reviews
>> >> application, and the idea is to have the whole thing be paperless.  The
>> >> review is completed in the Access app, the supervisor meets with the
>> >> employee, and then both would (in theory) sign the document digitally
>> using
>> >> the pad.
>> >>
>> >> My husband thinks it's a waste of time to pursue doing this through
>> >> access...he says it's bad enough at his workplace getting it to work
>> >> properly in C#. He thinks that printing the review, signing the paper,
>> and
>> >> then scanning it and storing a link to the image is the way to go...
>> >>
>> >> Janet
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Stuart McLachlan <
>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > "What do you mean by "digital signature"?  There are several methods
>> of
>> >> > "digitally signing"
>> >> > something including using public/private key encryption or embedidng a
>> >> > facsimile of a written
>> >> > signature.   In the latter case, the facsimile can either by scanned
>> or
>> >> > captured
>> >> >
>> >> > Do you mean the last case where someone draws on an input device such
>> as
>> >> a
>> >> > graphics pad
>> >> > or tries to scrawl their signature with a mouse?  If so, what sort of
>> >> > input are you using?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On 5 Nov 2015 at 17:03, Janet Erbach wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > Hello!
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Have any of you implemented a way to capture a digital signature on
>> an
>> >> > > access form?  I haven't found too much help through google searches.
>> >> > > After playing around for awhile with a test form, I found that an
>> >> > > unbound bitmap image allows me to get the signature - but it's a
>> >> > > clunky interface.  Any ideas for me?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Thank you!
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Janet Erbach
>> >> > > --
>> >> > > AccessD mailing list
>> >> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> >> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> >> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
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>> >> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> >> >
>> >> --
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>>
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 19:07:36 2015
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 20:07:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10 supposed speed advantage
Message-ID: <564294D8.5040903@gmail.com>

Not so much???

http://www.techspot.com/review/1042-windows-10-vs-windows-8-vs-windows-7/

John W. Colby

From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 11 01:10:44 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 07:10:44 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10 supposed speed advantage
In-Reply-To: <564294D8.5040903@gmail.com>
References: <564294D8.5040903@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB158415D7CDB9172BECE1245FCA130@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi John

Don't what he did, but boot should, of course, be much slower than wake up.

My ThinkStation boots in 13 seconds, while wake up is 3 seconds.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com>
Sendt: 11. november 2015 02:07
Til: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Emne: [AccessD] Windows 10 supposed speed advantage

Not so much???

http://www.techspot.com/review/1042-windows-10-vs-windows-8-vs-windows-7/

John W. Colby

From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Nov 11 08:47:04 2015
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 09:47:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10 supposed speed advantage
In-Reply-To: <564294D8.5040903@gmail.com>
References: <564294D8.5040903@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BF153A446A60462AA8D1D383253A3020@XPS>

John,

  I think it's too early to say yet.

  As noted, 10 is on par with anything back to Win 7 on the same hardware,
and further tweaks will be coming to windows 10 along with new technologies
(DirectX 12), so it may ultimately pull ahead.  Even as it stands though,
it's pretty solid and they did a good job with it.

  Personally, that's good enough for me.  Anytime you can add features and
still keep performance basically the same, I think that's a win.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 08:08 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10 supposed speed advantage

Not so much???

http://www.techspot.com/review/1042-windows-10-vs-windows-8-vs-windows-7/

John W. Colby
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 10:02:51 2015
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 11:02:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10 supposed speed advantage
In-Reply-To: <BF153A446A60462AA8D1D383253A3020@XPS>
References: <564294D8.5040903@gmail.com> <BF153A446A60462AA8D1D383253A3020@XPS>
Message-ID: <564366AB.7050600@Gmail.com>

It is pretty solid and they did do a good job with it.  Now if they 
would just knock off the "forced upgrade" scandal.

On 11/11/2015 9:47 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
> John,
>
>    I think it's too early to say yet.
>
>    As noted, 10 is on par with anything back to Win 7 on the same hardware,
> and further tweaks will be coming to windows 10 along with new technologies
> (DirectX 12), so it may ultimately pull ahead.  Even as it stands though,
> it's pretty solid and they did a good job with it.
>
>    Personally, that's good enough for me.  Anytime you can add features and
> still keep performance basically the same, I think that's a win.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> John Colby
> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 08:08 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10 supposed speed advantage
>
> Not so much???
>
> http://www.techspot.com/review/1042-windows-10-vs-windows-8-vs-windows-7/
>
> John W. Colby

-- 
John W. Colby


From accesspro at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 11:19:21 2015
From: accesspro at gmail.com (Bob Heygood)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 09:19:21 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Can't find Query
Message-ID: <012401d11ca5$1c05aa90$5410ffb0$@gmail.com>

Hello to the List,
I am trying to troubleshoot a query that returns an error "Record Deleted".
When viewing in design view, I see the source of the query is another query
and some tables.
BUT, when looking at the Nav pane, I can't find the source query I see in
the design view. IOW it seems like it is hidden.
Though when I check if "hidden" objects can be viewed, the option is set to
view them.
Is it possible that someone deleted it ?
Where is it?

TIA
Bob



From jbodin at sbor.com  Wed Nov 11 15:07:16 2015
From: jbodin at sbor.com (John Bodin)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 21:07:16 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Peterssoftware Drag N Dropper
Message-ID: <CY1PR0401MB1020FC05F1F63024209C06ECBD130@CY1PR0401MB1020.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Has anyone used the Drag N Dropper utility from peterssoftware.com that enables Drag and Drop between text boxes, listboxes, etc?  http://www.peterssoftware.com/dd.htm  The Demo works fine, but is read only so I can't tell what's required to input into what properties of a control and I didn't know how well it works in any of the versions of Access 2000-2013.  Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 11:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 supposed speed advantage

It is pretty solid and they did do a good job with it.  Now if they would just knock off the "forced upgrade" scandal.

On 11/11/2015 9:47 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
> John,
>
>    I think it's too early to say yet.
>
>    As noted, 10 is on par with anything back to Win 7 on the same 
> hardware, and further tweaks will be coming to windows 10 along with 
> new technologies (DirectX 12), so it may ultimately pull ahead.  Even 
> as it stands though, it's pretty solid and they did a good job with it.
>
>    Personally, that's good enough for me.  Anytime you can add 
> features and still keep performance basically the same, I think that's a win.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of John Colby
> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 08:08 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10 supposed speed advantage
>
> Not so much???
>
> http://www.techspot.com/review/1042-windows-10-vs-windows-8-vs-windows
> -7/
>
> John W. Colby

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Nov 11 17:05:17 2015
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 09:05:17 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Can't find Query
In-Reply-To: <012401d11ca5$1c05aa90$5410ffb0$@gmail.com>
References: <012401d11ca5$1c05aa90$5410ffb0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5643C9AD.3327.3839D790@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Try "Show System Objects" as well.   If it's been named starting with "msys" or "usys", it will 
not show up without that switch as well.


On 11 Nov 2015 at 9:19, Bob Heygood wrote:

> Hello to the List,
> I am trying to troubleshoot a query that returns an error "Record
> Deleted". When viewing in design view, I see the source of the query
> is another query and some tables. BUT, when looking at the Nav pane, I
> can't find the source query I see in the design view. IOW it seems
> like it is hidden. Though when I check if "hidden" objects can be
> viewed, the option is set to view them. Is it possible that someone
> deleted it ? Where is it?
> 
> TIA
> Bob
> 
> 
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 22:41:39 2015
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 23:41:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Peterssoftware Drag N Dropper
In-Reply-To: <CY1PR0401MB1020FC05F1F63024209C06ECBD130@CY1PR0401MB1020.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CY1PR0401MB1020FC05F1F63024209C06ECBD130@CY1PR0401MB1020.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_1Wby2EiMBBji773-=PxL-tCS0m_HrSPwt_gcTt3KqZGg@mail.gmail.com>

Yep, bought it, used it, it works pretty well. I customized it a but. Peter
is VERY customer centric and will work through problems with you. This was
Ac2010, don't know how it is with Ac2013+.

I'd say give it a try.
On Nov 11, 2015 4:08 PM, "John Bodin" <jbodin at sbor.com> wrote:

> Has anyone used the Drag N Dropper utility from peterssoftware.com that
> enables Drag and Drop between text boxes, listboxes, etc?
> http://www.peterssoftware.com/dd.htm  The Demo works fine, but is read
> only so I can't tell what's required to input into what properties of a
> control and I didn't know how well it works in any of the versions of
> Access 2000-2013.  Thanks.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> John Colby
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 11:03 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 supposed speed advantage
>
> It is pretty solid and they did do a good job with it.  Now if they would
> just knock off the "forced upgrade" scandal.
>
> On 11/11/2015 9:47 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
> > John,
> >
> >    I think it's too early to say yet.
> >
> >    As noted, 10 is on par with anything back to Win 7 on the same
> > hardware, and further tweaks will be coming to windows 10 along with
> > new technologies (DirectX 12), so it may ultimately pull ahead.  Even
> > as it stands though, it's pretty solid and they did a good job with it.
> >
> >    Personally, that's good enough for me.  Anytime you can add
> > features and still keep performance basically the same, I think that's a
> win.
> >
> > Jim.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> > Of John Colby
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 08:08 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10 supposed speed advantage
> >
> > Not so much???
> >
> > http://www.techspot.com/review/1042-windows-10-vs-windows-8-vs-windows
> > -7/
> >
> > John W. Colby
>
> --
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>
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 22:44:43 2015
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 23:44:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Can't find Query
In-Reply-To: <012401d11ca5$1c05aa90$5410ffb0$@gmail.com>
References: <012401d11ca5$1c05aa90$5410ffb0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_3vKMe0S52xiFu=e29simtfivRU2qr6feYknuU1vA_Uiw@mail.gmail.com>

Maybe a stupid question but is it perhaps a row source to a control
somewhere?
On Nov 11, 2015 12:20 PM, "Bob Heygood" <accesspro at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello to the List,
> I am trying to troubleshoot a query that returns an error "Record Deleted".
> When viewing in design view, I see the source of the query is another query
> and some tables.
> BUT, when looking at the Nav pane, I can't find the source query I see in
> the design view. IOW it seems like it is hidden.
> Though when I check if "hidden" objects can be viewed, the option is set to
> view them.
> Is it possible that someone deleted it ?
> Where is it?
>
> TIA
> Bob
>
>
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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>

From jbodin at sbor.com  Thu Nov 12 06:38:16 2015
From: jbodin at sbor.com (John Bodin)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 12:38:16 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Peterssoftware Drag N Dropper
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_1Wby2EiMBBji773-=PxL-tCS0m_HrSPwt_gcTt3KqZGg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CY1PR0401MB1020FC05F1F63024209C06ECBD130@CY1PR0401MB1020.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>,
	<CAJLzs_1Wby2EiMBBji773-=PxL-tCS0m_HrSPwt_gcTt3KqZGg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CY1PR0401MB10209354B2266D21B9A36821BD120@CY1PR0401MB1020.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks Bill.  Do you put calls in various events of the controls you want to allow this for?  I have a technician's Dispatch Board that's made up of a grid of text boxes and each day, I cycle through all the text boxes for each tech customizing the assignments for each tech and adding custom functions to the on-click event of each text box.  John Colby gave me some ideas on implementing a class to enable drag and drop between two technicians (two text boxes) where I would put customized calls in the mouse events of the text box controls, but I was never able to get that off the ground.





John Bodin

jbodin at sbor.com



________________________________________
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 11:41 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Peterssoftware Drag N Dropper

Yep, bought it, used it, it works pretty well. I customized it a but. Peter
is VERY customer centric and will work through problems with you. This was
Ac2010, don't know how it is with Ac2013+.

I'd say give it a try.
On Nov 11, 2015 4:08 PM, "John Bodin" <jbodin at sbor.com> wrote:

> Has anyone used the Drag N Dropper utility from peterssoftware.com that
> enables Drag and Drop between text boxes, listboxes, etc?
> http://www.peterssoftware.com/dd.htm  The Demo works fine, but is read
> only so I can't tell what's required to input into what properties of a
> control and I didn't know how well it works in any of the versions of
> Access 2000-2013.  Thanks.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> John Colby
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 11:03 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 supposed speed advantage
>
> It is pretty solid and they did do a good job with it.  Now if they would
> just knock off the "forced upgrade" scandal.
>
> On 11/11/2015 9:47 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
> > John,
> >
> >    I think it's too early to say yet.
> >
> >    As noted, 10 is on par with anything back to Win 7 on the same
> > hardware, and further tweaks will be coming to windows 10 along with
> > new technologies (DirectX 12), so it may ultimately pull ahead.  Even
> > as it stands though, it's pretty solid and they did a good job with it.
> >
> >    Personally, that's good enough for me.  Anytime you can add
> > features and still keep performance basically the same, I think that's a
> win.
> >
> > Jim.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> > Of John Colby
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 08:08 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10 supposed speed advantage
> >
> > Not so much???
> >
> > http://www.techspot.com/review/1042-windows-10-vs-windows-8-vs-windows
> > -7/
> >
> > John W. Colby
>
> --
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>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 07:06:26 2015
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 08:06:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Can't find Query
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_3vKMe0S52xiFu=e29simtfivRU2qr6feYknuU1vA_Uiw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <012401d11ca5$1c05aa90$5410ffb0$@gmail.com>
	<CAJLzs_3vKMe0S52xiFu=e29simtfivRU2qr6feYknuU1vA_Uiw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+cL9H3uQ=kb6_m+=aB+tXqz+59iGBha7TiPru82J85j2A@mail.gmail.com>

Bob, if you can't find it in the Navigation pane, tell us how you know it's
a "Query" object? That might help. What's the complete error message?

Susan H.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 11:44 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Maybe a stupid question but is it perhaps a row source to a control
> somewhere?
> On Nov 11, 2015 12:20 PM, "Bob Heygood" <accesspro at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello to the List,
> > I am trying to troubleshoot a query that returns an error "Record
> Deleted".
> > When viewing in design view, I see the source of the query is another
> query
> > and some tables.
> > BUT, when looking at the Nav pane, I can't find the source query I see in
> > the design view. IOW it seems like it is hidden.
> > Though when I check if "hidden" objects can be viewed, the option is set
> to
> > view them.
> > Is it possible that someone deleted it ?
> > Where is it?
> >
> > TIA
> > Bob
> >
> >
> > --
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 07:14:34 2015
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 08:14:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Peterssoftware Drag N Dropper
In-Reply-To: <CY1PR0401MB10209354B2266D21B9A36821BD120@CY1PR0401MB1020.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CY1PR0401MB1020FC05F1F63024209C06ECBD130@CY1PR0401MB1020.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAJLzs_1Wby2EiMBBji773-=PxL-tCS0m_HrSPwt_gcTt3KqZGg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CY1PR0401MB10209354B2266D21B9A36821BD120@CY1PR0401MB1020.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_0db8CbEAREVoPkCvVGYaLaSidEC3Vs+r8sW2CYYOervw@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry the last year I used it was 2011. I believe he used events. I don't
recall him using class modules. It worked imperfectly but took quite some
time to implement it. I think you would do well to ask Peter directly or
wait for someone else on the List here to answer, as I am at some distance
and time from the only project I used it on,  and not near the pc that has
it.
On Nov 12, 2015 7:39 AM, "John Bodin" <jbodin at sbor.com> wrote:

> Thanks Bill.  Do you put calls in various events of the controls you want
> to allow this for?  I have a technician's Dispatch Board that's made up of
> a grid of text boxes and each day, I cycle through all the text boxes for
> each tech customizing the assignments for each tech and adding custom
> functions to the on-click event of each text box.  John Colby gave me some
> ideas on implementing a class to enable drag and drop between two
> technicians (two text boxes) where I would put customized calls in the
> mouse events of the text box controls, but I was never able to get that off
> the ground.
>
>
>
>
>
> John Bodin
>
> jbodin at sbor.com
>
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of Bill
> Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 11:41 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Peterssoftware Drag N Dropper
>
> Yep, bought it, used it, it works pretty well. I customized it a but. Peter
> is VERY customer centric and will work through problems with you. This was
> Ac2010, don't know how it is with Ac2013+.
>
> I'd say give it a try.
> On Nov 11, 2015 4:08 PM, "John Bodin" <jbodin at sbor.com> wrote:
>
> > Has anyone used the Drag N Dropper utility from peterssoftware.com that
> > enables Drag and Drop between text boxes, listboxes, etc?
> > http://www.peterssoftware.com/dd.htm  The Demo works fine, but is read
> > only so I can't tell what's required to input into what properties of a
> > control and I didn't know how well it works in any of the versions of
> > Access 2000-2013.  Thanks.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > John Colby
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 11:03 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <
> > accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 supposed speed advantage
> >
> > It is pretty solid and they did do a good job with it.  Now if they would
> > just knock off the "forced upgrade" scandal.
> >
> > On 11/11/2015 9:47 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
> > > John,
> > >
> > >    I think it's too early to say yet.
> > >
> > >    As noted, 10 is on par with anything back to Win 7 on the same
> > > hardware, and further tweaks will be coming to windows 10 along with
> > > new technologies (DirectX 12), so it may ultimately pull ahead.  Even
> > > as it stands though, it's pretty solid and they did a good job with it.
> > >
> > >    Personally, that's good enough for me.  Anytime you can add
> > > features and still keep performance basically the same, I think that's
> a
> > win.
> > >
> > > Jim.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> > > Of John Colby
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 08:08 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10 supposed speed advantage
> > >
> > > Not so much???
> > >
> > > http://www.techspot.com/review/1042-windows-10-vs-windows-8-vs-windows
> > > -7/
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> >
> > --
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> >
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Nov 12 07:47:08 2015
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 08:47:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Can't find Query
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_3vKMe0S52xiFu=e29simtfivRU2qr6feYknuU1vA_Uiw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <012401d11ca5$1c05aa90$5410ffb0$@gmail.com>
	<CAJLzs_3vKMe0S52xiFu=e29simtfivRU2qr6feYknuU1vA_Uiw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E259104457264FCDAC1B3B584B6E391D@XPS>


 or possibly even a "table" if it's a view in a BE somewhere.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Bill Benson
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 11:45 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can't find Query

Maybe a stupid question but is it perhaps a row source to a control
somewhere?
On Nov 11, 2015 12:20 PM, "Bob Heygood" <accesspro at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello to the List,
> I am trying to troubleshoot a query that returns an error "Record
Deleted".
> When viewing in design view, I see the source of the query is another
query
> and some tables.
> BUT, when looking at the Nav pane, I can't find the source query I see in
> the design view. IOW it seems like it is hidden.
> Though when I check if "hidden" objects can be viewed, the option is set
to
> view them.
> Is it possible that someone deleted it ?
> Where is it?
>
> TIA
> Bob
>
>
> --
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From DMcGillivray at ctc.ca.gov  Thu Nov 12 10:28:51 2015
From: DMcGillivray at ctc.ca.gov (McGillivray, Don)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 16:28:51 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Can't find Query
In-Reply-To: <012401d11ca5$1c05aa90$5410ffb0$@gmail.com>
References: <012401d11ca5$1c05aa90$5410ffb0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E48E6D791ED38E4BA54107C7027042472F391B40@hqex01.ctc.ca.gov>

Hi Bob,

Check the SQL behind the query.  It's possible that the "query" showing in the design view is really embedded SQL with an alias.  

Something like:

SELECT qryFooBar.* FROM (SELECT MyTable.* FROM MyTable WHERE MyTable.MyColumn = 'FooBar') as qryFooBar;

In the design view this will appear as a table called "qryFooBar", but that query won't exist among your defined queries in the DB container.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Heygood
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 9:19 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Can't find Query

Hello to the List,
I am trying to troubleshoot a query that returns an error "Record Deleted".
When viewing in design view, I see the source of the query is another query and some tables.
BUT, when looking at the Nav pane, I can't find the source query I see in the design view. IOW it seems like it is hidden.
Though when I check if "hidden" objects can be viewed, the option is set to view them.
Is it possible that someone deleted it ?
Where is it?

TIA
Bob


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Nov 12 15:16:37 2015
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 07:16:37 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Can't find Query
In-Reply-To: <E48E6D791ED38E4BA54107C7027042472F391B40@hqex01.ctc.ca.gov>
References: <012401d11ca5$1c05aa90$5410ffb0$@gmail.com>,
	<E48E6D791ED38E4BA54107C7027042472F391B40@hqex01.ctc.ca.gov>
Message-ID: <564501B5.27147.3CFCB50C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Very good point!   

-- 
Stuart

On 12 Nov 2015 at 16:28, McGillivray, Don wrote:

> Hi Bob,
> 
> Check the SQL behind the query.  It's possible that the "query"
> showing in the design view is really embedded SQL with an alias.  
> 
> Something like:
> 
> SELECT qryFooBar.* FROM (SELECT MyTable.* FROM MyTable WHERE
> MyTable.MyColumn = 'FooBar') as qryFooBar;
> 
> In the design view this will appear as a table called "qryFooBar", but
> that query won't exist among your defined queries in the DB container.
> 
> Don
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Bob Heygood Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 9:19 AM To: 'Access
> Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Can't
> find Query
> 
> Hello to the List,
> I am trying to troubleshoot a query that returns an error "Record
> Deleted". When viewing in design view, I see the source of the query
> is another query and some tables. BUT, when looking at the Nav pane, I
> can't find the source query I see in the design view. IOW it seems
> like it is hidden. Though when I check if "hidden" objects can be
> viewed, the option is set to view them. Is it possible that someone
> deleted it ? Where is it?
> 
> TIA
> Bob
> 
> 
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From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz  Fri Nov 13 16:22:18 2015
From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 11:22:18 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Can't find Query
In-Reply-To: <E48E6D791ED38E4BA54107C7027042472F391B40@hqex01.ctc.ca.gov>
References: <012401d11ca5$1c05aa90$5410ffb0$@gmail.com>
	<E48E6D791ED38E4BA54107C7027042472F391B40@hqex01.ctc.ca.gov>
Message-ID: <7F63B74067ED49AE8D25E8E35802EA39@SteveT540p>

Or alternatively that is is Aliased.  You would be able to see that by 
examining the Properties of the source query/table in the query design view. 
Or looking at the SQL you would see something like this...

SELECT SomeField, AnotherField
FROM OneTable INNER JOIN AnotherTable AS SomethingElse ON OneTable.Key = 
SomethingElse.Key

Regards
Steve

-----Original Message----- 
From: McGillivray, Don
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 5:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can't find Query

Hi Bob,

Check the SQL behind the query.  It's possible that the "query" showing in 
the design view is really embedded SQL with an alias.

Something like:

SELECT qryFooBar.* FROM (SELECT MyTable.* FROM MyTable WHERE 
MyTable.MyColumn = 'FooBar') as qryFooBar;

In the design view this will appear as a table called "qryFooBar", but that 
query won't exist among your defined queries in the DB container.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob 
Heygood
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 9:19 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Can't find Query

Hello to the List,
I am trying to troubleshoot a query that returns an error "Record Deleted".
When viewing in design view, I see the source of the query is another query 
and some tables.
BUT, when looking at the Nav pane, I can't find the source query I see in 
the design view. IOW it seems like it is hidden.
Though when I check if "hidden" objects can be viewed, the option is set to 
view them.
Is it possible that someone deleted it ?
Where is it?

TIA
Bob


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From accesspro at gmail.com  Sat Nov 14 10:26:28 2015
From: accesspro at gmail.com (Bob Heygood)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 08:26:28 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Can't find Query
In-Reply-To: <5643C9AD.3327.3839D790@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <012401d11ca5$1c05aa90$5410ffb0$@gmail.com>
	<5643C9AD.3327.3839D790@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <00f301d11ef9$391dcf80$ab596e80$@gmail.com>

No not a sys object.
Thanks for responding.

Bob


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 3:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can't find Query

Try "Show System Objects" as well.   If it's been named starting with "msys"
or "usys", it will 
not show up without that switch as well.


On 11 Nov 2015 at 9:19, Bob Heygood wrote:

> Hello to the List,
> I am trying to troubleshoot a query that returns an error "Record 
> Deleted". When viewing in design view, I see the source of the query 
> is another query and some tables. BUT, when looking at the Nav pane, I 
> can't find the source query I see in the design view. IOW it seems 
> like it is hidden. Though when I check if "hidden" objects can be 
> viewed, the option is set to view them. Is it possible that someone 
> deleted it ? Where is it?
> 
> TIA
> Bob
> 
> 
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From Accesspro at cox.net  Sat Nov 14 10:33:29 2015
From: Accesspro at cox.net (B Heygood)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 08:33:29 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Can't find Query
In-Reply-To: <gdo61r0110xgD8Z01do8Vs>
References: <012401d11ca5$1c05aa90$5410ffb0$@gmail.com>	<CAJLzs_3vKMe0S52xiFu=e29simtfivRU2qr6feYknuU1vA_Uiw@mail.gmail.com>
	<gdo61r0110xgD8Z01do8Vs>
Message-ID: <00f401d11efa$31928c00$94b7a400$@cox.net>

Not an attached object.


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Dettman
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 5:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can't find Query


 or possibly even a "table" if it's a view in a BE somewhere.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Bill Benson
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 11:45 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can't find Query

Maybe a stupid question but is it perhaps a row source to a control
somewhere?
On Nov 11, 2015 12:20 PM, "Bob Heygood" <accesspro at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello to the List,
> I am trying to troubleshoot a query that returns an error "Record
Deleted".
> When viewing in design view, I see the source of the query is another
query
> and some tables.
> BUT, when looking at the Nav pane, I can't find the source query I see 
> in the design view. IOW it seems like it is hidden.
> Though when I check if "hidden" objects can be viewed, the option is 
> set
to
> view them.
> Is it possible that someone deleted it ?
> Where is it?
>
> TIA
> Bob
>
>
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From Accesspro at cox.net  Sat Nov 14 10:33:29 2015
From: Accesspro at cox.net (B Heygood)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 08:33:29 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Can't find Query
In-Reply-To: <gd841r00D0xgD8Z01d85EK>
References: <012401d11ca5$1c05aa90$5410ffb0$@gmail.com>	<CAJLzs_3vKMe0S52xiFu=e29simtfivRU2qr6feYknuU1vA_Uiw@mail.gmail.com>
	<gd841r00D0xgD8Z01d85EK>
Message-ID: <00f501d11efa$31d0a670$9571f350$@cox.net>

The naming convention used would indicate it is a query. ("qryXXXXXX")
I also checked if it could be a table, but no.
It is clearly visible in the design view.
Thanks for responding.

bob
-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Susan Harkins
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 5:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can't find Query

Bob, if you can't find it in the Navigation pane, tell us how you know it's
a "Query" object? That might help. What's the complete error message?

Susan H.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 11:44 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Maybe a stupid question but is it perhaps a row source to a control 
> somewhere?
> On Nov 11, 2015 12:20 PM, "Bob Heygood" <accesspro at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello to the List,
> > I am trying to troubleshoot a query that returns an error "Record
> Deleted".
> > When viewing in design view, I see the source of the query is 
> > another
> query
> > and some tables.
> > BUT, when looking at the Nav pane, I can't find the source query I 
> > see in the design view. IOW it seems like it is hidden.
> > Though when I check if "hidden" objects can be viewed, the option is 
> > set
> to
> > view them.
> > Is it possible that someone deleted it ?
> > Where is it?
> >
> > TIA
> > Bob
> >
> >
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From accesspro at gmail.com  Sat Nov 14 10:39:27 2015
From: accesspro at gmail.com (Bob Heygood)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 08:39:27 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Can't find Query
In-Reply-To: <E48E6D791ED38E4BA54107C7027042472F391B40@hqex01.ctc.ca.gov>
References: <012401d11ca5$1c05aa90$5410ffb0$@gmail.com>
	<E48E6D791ED38E4BA54107C7027042472F391B40@hqex01.ctc.ca.gov>
Message-ID: <00f601d11efb$078ada60$16a08f20$@gmail.com>

Ah
Maybe 
The object in the design view that does not appear in the nav pane is
"qryFFActrptA"
The SQL of the query is:
SELECT qryFFActrptA.*, C_TypeOfPlacemt.TypeOfPlacemt, C_Status.Status AS
DtlStatus

No, that's the opposite.........

Thanks



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
McGillivray, Don
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can't find Query

Hi Bob,

Check the SQL behind the query.  It's possible that the "query" showing in
the design view is really embedded SQL with an alias.  

Something like:

SELECT qryFooBar.* FROM (SELECT MyTable.* FROM MyTable WHERE
MyTable.MyColumn = 'FooBar') as qryFooBar;

In the design view this will appear as a table called "qryFooBar", but that
query won't exist among your defined queries in the DB container.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Heygood
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 9:19 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Can't find Query

Hello to the List,
I am trying to troubleshoot a query that returns an error "Record Deleted".
When viewing in design view, I see the source of the query is another query
and some tables.
BUT, when looking at the Nav pane, I can't find the source query I see in
the design view. IOW it seems like it is hidden.
Though when I check if "hidden" objects can be viewed, the option is set to
view them.
Is it possible that someone deleted it ?
Where is it?

TIA
Bob


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From accesspro at gmail.com  Sat Nov 14 10:47:32 2015
From: accesspro at gmail.com (Bob Heygood)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 08:47:32 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Can't find Query
In-Reply-To: <hUan1r0170xgD8Z01UapPg>
References: <012401d11ca5$1c05aa90$5410ffb0$@gmail.com>	<CAJLzs_3vKMe0S52xiFu=e29simtfivRU2qr6feYknuU1vA_Uiw@mail.gmail.com>	<gdo61r0110xgD8Z01do8Vs>
	<hUan1r0170xgD8Z01UapPg>
Message-ID: <00f701d11efc$290d3ba0$7b27b2e0$@gmail.com>

BTW.
I gave up on this and rewrote an alternative. Got to know when to fold them.

THEN,
Before shipping to the client, I did a repair and compact and no longer got
the error message.
Lots of info on Google about the "Deleted Record" error message; and
compacting and repairing solving some causes of the error.

BUT 
Still do not see the query in the nav pane....
So still not solved.

Thanks Again 

Bob


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of B
Heygood
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2015 8:33 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can't find Query

Not an attached object.


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Dettman
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 5:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can't find Query


 or possibly even a "table" if it's a view in a BE somewhere.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Bill Benson
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 11:45 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can't find Query

Maybe a stupid question but is it perhaps a row source to a control
somewhere?
On Nov 11, 2015 12:20 PM, "Bob Heygood" <accesspro at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello to the List,
> I am trying to troubleshoot a query that returns an error "Record
Deleted".
> When viewing in design view, I see the source of the query is another
query
> and some tables.
> BUT, when looking at the Nav pane, I can't find the source query I see 
> in the design view. IOW it seems like it is hidden.
> Though when I check if "hidden" objects can be viewed, the option is 
> set
to
> view them.
> Is it possible that someone deleted it ?
> Where is it?
>
> TIA
> Bob
>
>
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sat Nov 14 11:38:50 2015
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 12:38:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Studio and source control
Message-ID: <564771AA.4010403@Gmail.com>

I have been using Visual Studio 2008 and 2010 for many years.  I am 
about to move up to 2013, which has built-in support for GitHub.  I have 
VS 2013 Community edition installed on a new dev virtual machine and 
upgraded to the latest service pack (pack 3).

I would like to run a local GitHub server on my Windows 2008 R2 VM 
server which hosts my dev virtual machines, then build a project from an 
already existing 2010 project.

To this point I have found all kinds of "it can be done" but no clear 
instructions to getting the server set up on Windows and from there 
getting connected from inside of Visual Studio.  Can anyone point me to 
a clear and concise instruction for making this work?

Any assistance much appreciated.

-- 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Nov 14 12:07:26 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 18:07:26 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Studio and source control
In-Reply-To: <564771AA.4010403@Gmail.com>
References: <564771AA.4010403@Gmail.com>
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB1584D39AAFDFC2533E0DB6D7CA100@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi John

First question: Why not VS2015?

You may have your reasons for choosing VS2013, but I believe the GitHub support (the add-in) is better in VS2015. That said, it works, but I think the user interface and way to operate is primitive and clumsy - but it works when you have found out ... it's not difficult but not very logical.

Second: I just use a shared network folder for my Git repositories. Then, when I tell so from VS, the current project is synced to GitHub (I only use the public site).

GitHub is a Linux thing, so it shouldn't be very offending to you ... but as you seem to be in a hurry, I binged for alternatives (because also I actually would like to have my own server as the public server is, eh, just that: Public) and found GitStack targeted at lazy people like me having other things to do:

     http://gitstack.com/

They sport a "Basic" full-featured community version limited to two users, but wouldn't that fit your setup?

I'll give it a look in the near future.

/gustav

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Sendt: 14. november 2015 18:38
Til: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com; Access Developers discussion and problem solving; jwcolby at gmail.com
Emne: [AccessD] Visual Studio and source control

I have been using Visual Studio 2008 and 2010 for many years.  I am
about to move up to 2013, which has built-in support for GitHub.  I have
VS 2013 Community edition installed on a new dev virtual machine and
upgraded to the latest service pack (pack 3).

I would like to run a local GitHub server on my Windows 2008 R2 VM
server which hosts my dev virtual machines, then build a project from an
already existing 2010 project.

To this point I have found all kinds of "it can be done" but no clear
instructions to getting the server set up on Windows and from there
getting connected from inside of Visual Studio.  Can anyone point me to
a clear and concise instruction for making this work?

Any assistance much appreciated.

--
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sat Nov 14 12:20:50 2015
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 13:20:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Studio and source control
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB1584D39AAFDFC2533E0DB6D7CA100@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <564771AA.4010403@Gmail.com>
	<VI1PR06MB1584D39AAFDFC2533E0DB6D7CA100@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <56477B82.1050702@Gmail.com>

 >First question: Why not VS2015?

Mostly just that I have 2013 installed from awhile ago.  From my 
reading, the 2013 version now supports github natively.

I do not want to put this specific project up into a public place 
because it is company business.

I am going to try this:

https://bonobogitserver.com/install/

On 11/14/2015 1:07 PM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi John
>
> First question: Why not VS2015?
>
> You may have your reasons for choosing VS2013, but I believe the GitHub support (the add-in) is better in VS2015. That said, it works, but I think the user interface and way to operate is primitive and clumsy - but it works when you have found out ... it's not difficult but not very logical.
>
> Second: I just use a shared network folder for my Git repositories. Then, when I tell so from VS, the current project is synced to GitHub (I only use the public site).
>
> GitHub is a Linux thing, so it shouldn't be very offending to you ... but as you seem to be in a hurry, I binged for alternatives (because also I actually would like to have my own server as the public server is, eh, just that: Public) and found GitStack targeted at lazy people like me having other things to do:
>
>       http://gitstack.com/
>
> They sport a "Basic" full-featured community version limited to two users, but wouldn't that fit your setup?
>
> I'll give it a look in the near future.
>
> /gustav
>
> ________________________________________
> Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com>
> Sendt: 14. november 2015 18:38
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> Emne: [AccessD] Visual Studio and source control
>
> I have been using Visual Studio 2008 and 2010 for many years.  I am
> about to move up to 2013, which has built-in support for GitHub.  I have
> VS 2013 Community edition installed on a new dev virtual machine and
> upgraded to the latest service pack (pack 3).
>
> I would like to run a local GitHub server on my Windows 2008 R2 VM
> server which hosts my dev virtual machines, then build a project from an
> already existing 2010 project.
>
> To this point I have found all kinds of "it can be done" but no clear
> instructions to getting the server set up on Windows and from there
> getting connected from inside of Visual Studio.  Can anyone point me to
> a clear and concise instruction for making this work?
>
> Any assistance much appreciated.
>
> --
> John W. Colby

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Nov 14 12:26:24 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 18:26:24 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-VS]  Visual Studio and source control
In-Reply-To: <56477B82.1050702@Gmail.com>
References: <564771AA.4010403@Gmail.com>
	<VI1PR06MB1584D39AAFDFC2533E0DB6D7CA100@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<56477B82.1050702@Gmail.com>
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB158439E7CB08317FA00D71AACA100@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi John

OK. Yes, VS2013 does support GitHub.

Let us know about your findings with Bonobo Git Server.

/gustav

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Sendt: 14. november 2015 19:20
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; dba-vs at databaseadvisors.com
Emne: Re: [dba-VS] [AccessD] Visual Studio and source control

 >First question: Why not VS2015?

Mostly just that I have 2013 installed from awhile ago.  From my
reading, the 2013 version now supports github natively.

I do not want to put this specific project up into a public place
because it is company business.

I am going to try this:

https://bonobogitserver.com/install/

On 11/14/2015 1:07 PM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi John
>
> First question: Why not VS2015?
>
> You may have your reasons for choosing VS2013, but I believe the GitHub support (the add-in) is better in VS2015. That said, it works, but I think the user interface and way to operate is primitive and clumsy - but it works when you have found out ... it's not difficult but not very logical.
>
> Second: I just use a shared network folder for my Git repositories. Then, when I tell so from VS, the current project is synced to GitHub (I only use the public site).
>
> GitHub is a Linux thing, so it shouldn't be very offending to you ... but as you seem to be in a hurry, I binged for alternatives (because also I actually would like to have my own server as the public server is, eh, just that: Public) and found GitStack targeted at lazy people like me having other things to do:
>
>       http://gitstack.com/
>
> They sport a "Basic" full-featured community version limited to two users, but wouldn't that fit your setup?
>
> I'll give it a look in the near future.
>
> /gustav
>
> ________________________________________
> Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com>
> Sendt: 14. november 2015 18:38
> Til: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com; Access Developers discussion and problem solving; jwcolby at gmail.com
> Emne: [AccessD] Visual Studio and source control
>
> I have been using Visual Studio 2008 and 2010 for many years.  I am
> about to move up to 2013, which has built-in support for GitHub.  I have
> VS 2013 Community edition installed on a new dev virtual machine and
> upgraded to the latest service pack (pack 3).
>
> I would like to run a local GitHub server on my Windows 2008 R2 VM
> server which hosts my dev virtual machines, then build a project from an
> already existing 2010 project.
>
> To this point I have found all kinds of "it can be done" but no clear
> instructions to getting the server set up on Windows and from there
> getting connected from inside of Visual Studio.  Can anyone point me to
> a clear and concise instruction for making this work?
>
> Any assistance much appreciated.
>
> --
> John W. Colby

--
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sat Nov 14 13:31:43 2015
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 14:31:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Studio and source control
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is anyone else getting a delivery failure to

normkara at nyc.rr.com

from posting to the list?


On 11/14/2015 1:07 PM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi John
>
> First question: Why not VS2015?
>
> You may have your reasons for choosing VS2013, but I believe the GitHub support (the add-in) is better in VS2015. That said, it works, but I think the user interface and way to operate is primitive and clumsy - but it works when you have found out ... it's not difficult but not very logical.
>
> Second: I just use a shared network folder for my Git repositories. Then, when I tell so from VS, the current project is synced to GitHub (I only use the public site).
>
> GitHub is a Linux thing, so it shouldn't be very offending to you ... but as you seem to be in a hurry, I binged for alternatives (because also I actually would like to have my own server as the public server is, eh, just that: Public) and found GitStack targeted at lazy people like me having other things to do:
>
>       http://gitstack.com/
>
> They sport a "Basic" full-featured community version limited to two users, but wouldn't that fit your setup?
>
> I'll give it a look in the near future.
>
> /gustav
>
> ________________________________________
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> Sendt: 14. november 2015 18:38
> Til: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com; Access Developers discussion and problem solving; jwcolby at gmail.com
> Emne: [AccessD] Visual Studio and source control
>
> I have been using Visual Studio 2008 and 2010 for many years.  I am
> about to move up to 2013, which has built-in support for GitHub.  I have
> VS 2013 Community edition installed on a new dev virtual machine and
> upgraded to the latest service pack (pack 3).
>
> I would like to run a local GitHub server on my Windows 2008 R2 VM
> server which hosts my dev virtual machines, then build a project from an
> already existing 2010 project.
>
> To this point I have found all kinds of "it can be done" but no clear
> instructions to getting the server set up on Windows and from there
> getting connected from inside of Visual Studio.  Can anyone point me to
> a clear and concise instruction for making this work?
>
> Any assistance much appreciated.
>
> --
> John W. Colby

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From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz  Sat Nov 14 14:14:25 2015
From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 09:14:25 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Can't find Query
In-Reply-To: <00f601d11efb$078ada60$16a08f20$@gmail.com>
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Bob

What's the FROM clause of the query?

Regards
Steve

-----Original Message----- 
From: Bob Heygood
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2015 5:39 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can't find Query

Ah
Maybe
The object in the design view that does not appear in the nav pane is
"qryFFActrptA"
The SQL of the query is:
SELECT qryFFActrptA.*, C_TypeOfPlacemt.TypeOfPlacemt, C_Status.Status AS
DtlStatus

No, that's the opposite.........

Thanks



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
McGillivray, Don
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can't find Query

Hi Bob,

Check the SQL behind the query.  It's possible that the "query" showing in
the design view is really embedded SQL with an alias.

Something like:

SELECT qryFooBar.* FROM (SELECT MyTable.* FROM MyTable WHERE
MyTable.MyColumn = 'FooBar') as qryFooBar;

In the design view this will appear as a table called "qryFooBar", but that
query won't exist among your defined queries in the DB container.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Heygood
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 9:19 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Can't find Query

Hello to the List,
I am trying to troubleshoot a query that returns an error "Record Deleted".
When viewing in design view, I see the source of the query is another query
and some tables.
BUT, when looking at the Nav pane, I can't find the source query I see in
the design view. IOW it seems like it is hidden.
Though when I check if "hidden" objects can be viewed, the option is set to
view them.
Is it possible that someone deleted it ?
Where is it?

TIA
Bob


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From accesspro at gmail.com  Sat Nov 14 15:23:59 2015
From: accesspro at gmail.com (Bob Heygood)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 13:23:59 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Can't find Query
In-Reply-To: <28CA3265B3564429A2B5EC9C59A701F4@SteveT540p>
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	<28CA3265B3564429A2B5EC9C59A701F4@SteveT540p>
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Hello Steve,

The object in the design view that does not appear in the nav pane is
"qryFFActrptA"

Here goes:

FROM (C_Status AS C_Status_1 RIGHT JOIN (B_ClientProduct RIGHT JOIN
(B_Client INNER JOIN (C_TypeOfPlacemt RIGHT JOIN (B_Inventory RIGHT JOIN
qryFFActrptA ON B_Inventory.Barcode = qryFFActrptA.Barcode) ON
C_TypeOfPlacemt.TypeOfPlacemtID = qryFFActrptA.TypeofPlacemtID) ON
B_Client.ClientID = qryFFActrptA.ClientID) ON B_ClientProduct.ClientProdID =
qryFFActrptA.ClientProdID) ON C_Status_1.StatusID = qryFFActrptA.StatusID)
LEFT JOIN C_Status ON qryFFActrptA.RptStatus = C_Status.StatusID;

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Steve Schapel
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2015 12:14 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can't find Query

Bob

What's the FROM clause of the query?

Regards
Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Heygood
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2015 5:39 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can't find Query

Ah
Maybe
The object in the design view that does not appear in the nav pane is
"qryFFActrptA"
The SQL of the query is:
SELECT qryFFActrptA.*, C_TypeOfPlacemt.TypeOfPlacemt, C_Status.Status AS
DtlStatus

No, that's the opposite.........

Thanks



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
McGillivray, Don
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can't find Query

Hi Bob,

Check the SQL behind the query.  It's possible that the "query" showing in
the design view is really embedded SQL with an alias.

Something like:

SELECT qryFooBar.* FROM (SELECT MyTable.* FROM MyTable WHERE
MyTable.MyColumn = 'FooBar') as qryFooBar;

In the design view this will appear as a table called "qryFooBar", but that
query won't exist among your defined queries in the DB container.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Heygood
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 9:19 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Can't find Query

Hello to the List,
I am trying to troubleshoot a query that returns an error "Record Deleted".
When viewing in design view, I see the source of the query is another query
and some tables.
BUT, when looking at the Nav pane, I can't find the source query I see in
the design view. IOW it seems like it is hidden.
Though when I check if "hidden" objects can be viewed, the option is set to
view them.
Is it possible that someone deleted it ?
Where is it?

TIA
Bob


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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Nov 20 16:15:28 2015
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 14:15:28 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9u+PsDf5MHic9pxZYmfnjZeBhZi45jhE-Y1qsv=HcERA@mail.gmail.com>

I'm working on a db built in 2010 on Windows 7 but I'm using 2013 on
Windows 10.  I have code that worked just fine last year but is breaking
this year because suddenly, if the back end file is moved or renamed, the
code to set a tabledef object to the linked table in question can't find
the linked table.  Obviously, the table still exists because the linked
table manager can see it, so it's still in the system tables, but the code
breaks.

Any ideas?

Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov 20 16:57:29 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 22:57:29 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table
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Hi Charlotte

And your code is?

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
Sendt: 20. november 2015 23:15
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table

I'm working on a db built in 2010 on Windows 7 but I'm using 2013 on
Windows 10.  I have code that worked just fine last year but is breaking
this year because suddenly, if the back end file is moved or renamed, the
code to set a tabledef object to the linked table in question can't find
the linked table.  Obviously, the table still exists because the linked
table manager can see it, so it's still in the system tables, but the code
breaks.

Any ideas?

Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Nov 20 17:02:22 2015
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 15:02:22 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table
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Public Function DoesObjectExist(ByVal strObjName As String) As Boolean
    On Error Resume Next
    Dim intCnt As Integer

    intCnt = DCount("[Name]", "MSysObjects", "[Name] = '" & strObjName &
"'")
    DoesObjectExist = (intCnt > 0)
End Function

this *usually* returns true for a table with a broken link. Except,
sometimes it doesn't.  It does when I call it from the immediate window,
but when it's called from code, it may return a False.  If my hair weren't
already nearly white, it would be with this.

I'm also sometimes getting "item not found in this collection" when I try
to call the above routine from code.

Charlotte


Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Charlotte
>
> And your code is?
>
> /gustav
>
> ________________________________________
> Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Charlotte
> Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> Sendt: 20. november 2015 23:15
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table
>
> I'm working on a db built in 2010 on Windows 7 but I'm using 2013 on
> Windows 10.  I have code that worked just fine last year but is breaking
> this year because suddenly, if the back end file is moved or renamed, the
> code to set a tabledef object to the linked table in question can't find
> the linked table.  Obviously, the table still exists because the linked
> table manager can see it, so it's still in the system tables, but the code
> breaks.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Charlotte Foust
> (916) 206-4336
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov 20 17:21:56 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 23:21:56 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table
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Hi Charlotte

Oh, I thought you meant some code for relinking the tables.

I'm not sure I understand how you use this function? If the backend is moved, the linked table objects in the frontend don't vanish. 
So what may cause your linked table objects to be deleted?

/gustav

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Sendt: 21. november 2015 00:02
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table

Public Function DoesObjectExist(ByVal strObjName As String) As Boolean
    On Error Resume Next
    Dim intCnt As Integer

    intCnt = DCount("[Name]", "MSysObjects", "[Name] = '" & strObjName & "'")
    DoesObjectExist = (intCnt > 0)
End Function

this *usually* returns true for a table with a broken link. Except,
sometimes it doesn't.  It does when I call it from the immediate window,
but when it's called from code, it may return a False.  If my hair weren't
already nearly white, it would be with this.

I'm also sometimes getting "item not found in this collection" when I try
to call the above routine from code.

Charlotte


Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Charlotte
>
> And your code is?
>
> /gustav
>
> ________________________________________
> Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Charlotte
> Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> Sendt: 20. november 2015 23:15
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table
>
> I'm working on a db built in 2010 on Windows 7 but I'm using 2013 on
> Windows 10.  I have code that worked just fine last year but is breaking
> this year because suddenly, if the back end file is moved or renamed, the
> code to set a tabledef object to the linked table in question can't find
> the linked table.  Obviously, the table still exists because the linked
> table manager can see it, so it's still in the system tables, but the code
> breaks.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Charlotte Foust
> (916) 206-4336


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Nov 20 17:26:43 2015
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 09:26:43 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9fhTF0YzwxCCqWUx4HwFHZLN0YCKggPBdPJYZFBdZQqg@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAH+Met9fhTF0YzwxCCqWUx4HwFHZLN0YCKggPBdPJYZFBdZQqg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <564FAC33.23937.14895607@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I doubt that your problem les with this function.

If it returns False "when called from code", then I'd suspect that your code is deleting the 
table before this function is called.

What line is highlighted when you get the "item not found" error.

On 20 Nov 2015 at 15:02, Charlotte Foust wrote:

> Public Function DoesObjectExist(ByVal strObjName As String) As Boolean
>     On Error Resume Next
>     Dim intCnt As Integer
> 
>     intCnt = DCount("[Name]", "MSysObjects", "[Name] = '" & strObjName
>     &
> "'")
>     DoesObjectExist = (intCnt > 0)
> End Function
> 
> this *usually* returns true for a table with a broken link. Except,
> sometimes it doesn't.  It does when I call it from the immediate
> window, but when it's called from code, it may return a False.  If my
> hair weren't already nearly white, it would be with this.
> 
> I'm also sometimes getting "item not found in this collection" when I
> try to call the above routine from code.
> 
> Charlotte
> 
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> (916) 206-4336
> 
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>
> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Charlotte
> >
> > And your code is?
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af
> > Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com> Sendt: 20. november 2015
> > 23:15 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne:
> > [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table
> >
> > I'm working on a db built in 2010 on Windows 7 but I'm using 2013 on
> > Windows 10.  I have code that worked just fine last year but is
> > breaking this year because suddenly, if the back end file is moved
> > or renamed, the code to set a tabledef object to the linked table in
> > question can't find the linked table.  Obviously, the table still
> > exists because the linked table manager can see it, so it's still in
> > the system tables, but the code breaks.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> > (916) 206-4336
> > --
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Nov 20 17:31:07 2015
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 15:31:07 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table
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The linked tables are still there, as they should be since the links are in
the front end.  I used it originally to find a linked table to test in case
the hard-coded one was missing.  But what's baffling me it the inconsistent
results.  It should never return a false but it does!  This is driving me
crazy!

My clients sometimes rename folders, which results in broken links.  I've
used tests before to determine if something had broken the links so I could
prompt the user to browse to the correct folder.  But in this case, it's
not happening because the routine is returning a false on a broken-linked
table.

Charlotte

Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Charlotte
>
> Oh, I thought you meant some code for relinking the tables.
>
> I'm not sure I understand how you use this function? If the backend is
> moved, the linked table objects in the frontend don't vanish.
> So what may cause your linked table objects to be deleted?
>
> /gustav
>
> ________________________________________
> Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Charlotte
> Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> Sendt: 21. november 2015 00:02
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table
>
> Public Function DoesObjectExist(ByVal strObjName As String) As Boolean
>     On Error Resume Next
>     Dim intCnt As Integer
>
>     intCnt = DCount("[Name]", "MSysObjects", "[Name] = '" & strObjName &
> "'")
>     DoesObjectExist = (intCnt > 0)
> End Function
>
> this *usually* returns true for a table with a broken link. Except,
> sometimes it doesn't.  It does when I call it from the immediate window,
> but when it's called from code, it may return a False.  If my hair weren't
> already nearly white, it would be with this.
>
> I'm also sometimes getting "item not found in this collection" when I try
> to call the above routine from code.
>
> Charlotte
>
>
> Charlotte Foust
> (916) 206-4336
>
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> > Hi Charlotte
> >
> > And your code is?
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af
> Charlotte
> > Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> > Sendt: 20. november 2015 23:15
> > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Emne: [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table
> >
> > I'm working on a db built in 2010 on Windows 7 but I'm using 2013 on
> > Windows 10.  I have code that worked just fine last year but is breaking
> > this year because suddenly, if the back end file is moved or renamed, the
> > code to set a tabledef object to the linked table in question can't find
> > the linked table.  Obviously, the table still exists because the linked
> > table manager can see it, so it's still in the system tables, but the
> code
> > breaks.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> > (916) 206-4336
>
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Nov 20 17:33:27 2015
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 15:33:27 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table
In-Reply-To: <564FAC33.23937.14895607@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
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The table isn't getting deleted, that's the crazy thing.  It's still there,
and it still appears in the navigation pane.  The "item not found" was
being triggered by the call to the DoesObjectExist function.  I'm about
ready to start googling for exorcists!

Charlotte

Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
wrote:

> I doubt that your problem les with this function.
>
> If it returns False "when called from code", then I'd suspect that your
> code is deleting the
> table before this function is called.
>
> What line is highlighted when you get the "item not found" error.
>
> On 20 Nov 2015 at 15:02, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>
> > Public Function DoesObjectExist(ByVal strObjName As String) As Boolean
> >     On Error Resume Next
> >     Dim intCnt As Integer
> >
> >     intCnt = DCount("[Name]", "MSysObjects", "[Name] = '" & strObjName
> >     &
> > "'")
> >     DoesObjectExist = (intCnt > 0)
> > End Function
> >
> > this *usually* returns true for a table with a broken link. Except,
> > sometimes it doesn't.  It does when I call it from the immediate
> > window, but when it's called from code, it may return a False.  If my
> > hair weren't already nearly white, it would be with this.
> >
> > I'm also sometimes getting "item not found in this collection" when I
> > try to call the above routine from code.
> >
> > Charlotte
> >
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> > (916) 206-4336
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Charlotte
> > >
> > > And your code is?
> > >
> > > /gustav
> > >
> > > ________________________________________
> > > Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af
> > > Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com> Sendt: 20. november 2015
> > > 23:15 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne:
> > > [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table
> > >
> > > I'm working on a db built in 2010 on Windows 7 but I'm using 2013 on
> > > Windows 10.  I have code that worked just fine last year but is
> > > breaking this year because suddenly, if the back end file is moved
> > > or renamed, the code to set a tabledef object to the linked table in
> > > question can't find the linked table.  Obviously, the table still
> > > exists because the linked table manager can see it, so it's still in
> > > the system tables, but the code breaks.
> > >
> > > Any ideas?
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > > (916) 206-4336
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Nov 20 17:46:07 2015
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 15:46:07 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table
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Now I'm getting the "item not found" message on

Set tdf = CurrentDb.TableDefs(strTableName)

Charlotte

Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
wrote:

> The table isn't getting deleted, that's the crazy thing.  It's still
> there, and it still appears in the navigation pane.  The "item not found"
> was being triggered by the call to the DoesObjectExist function.  I'm about
> ready to start googling for exorcists!
>
> Charlotte
>
> Charlotte Foust
> (916) 206-4336
>
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> wrote:
>
>> I doubt that your problem les with this function.
>>
>> If it returns False "when called from code", then I'd suspect that your
>> code is deleting the
>> table before this function is called.
>>
>> What line is highlighted when you get the "item not found" error.
>>
>> On 20 Nov 2015 at 15:02, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>>
>> > Public Function DoesObjectExist(ByVal strObjName As String) As Boolean
>> >     On Error Resume Next
>> >     Dim intCnt As Integer
>> >
>> >     intCnt = DCount("[Name]", "MSysObjects", "[Name] = '" & strObjName
>> >     &
>> > "'")
>> >     DoesObjectExist = (intCnt > 0)
>> > End Function
>> >
>> > this *usually* returns true for a table with a broken link. Except,
>> > sometimes it doesn't.  It does when I call it from the immediate
>> > window, but when it's called from code, it may return a False.  If my
>> > hair weren't already nearly white, it would be with this.
>> >
>> > I'm also sometimes getting "item not found in this collection" when I
>> > try to call the above routine from code.
>> >
>> > Charlotte
>> >
>> >
>> > Charlotte Foust
>> > (916) 206-4336
>> >
>> > On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi Charlotte
>> > >
>> > > And your code is?
>> > >
>> > > /gustav
>> > >
>> > > ________________________________________
>> > > Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af
>> > > Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com> Sendt: 20. november 2015
>> > > 23:15 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne:
>> > > [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table
>> > >
>> > > I'm working on a db built in 2010 on Windows 7 but I'm using 2013 on
>> > > Windows 10.  I have code that worked just fine last year but is
>> > > breaking this year because suddenly, if the back end file is moved
>> > > or renamed, the code to set a tabledef object to the linked table in
>> > > question can't find the linked table.  Obviously, the table still
>> > > exists because the linked table manager can see it, so it's still in
>> > > the system tables, but the code breaks.
>> > >
>> > > Any ideas?
>> > >
>> > > Charlotte Foust
>> > > (916) 206-4336
>> > > --
>> > > AccessD mailing list
>> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> > >
>> > --
>> > AccessD mailing list
>> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>>
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>

From df.waters at outlook.com  Fri Nov 20 18:00:40 2015
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 18:00:40 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met-HdSnNfwvygHsYJYcxFcpFwTbMF4GgY6ij9qUkPi7gEg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH+Met9u+PsDf5MHic9pxZYmfnjZeBhZi45jhE-Y1qsv=HcERA@mail.gmail.com>	<VI1PR06MB15844DE97441750A5E580A34CA1A0@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>	<CAH+Met9fhTF0YzwxCCqWUx4HwFHZLN0YCKggPBdPJYZFBdZQqg@mail.gmail.com>	<564FAC33.23937.14895607@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<CAH+Met_NEtZ9ZsR4tGLY1Re3iXkSk1YRSaqYbTBu-SHHuftgvQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met-HdSnNfwvygHsYJYcxFcpFwTbMF4GgY6ij9qUkPi7gEg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU176-DS16C936CA8ACD4CB18F0636F6190@phx.gbl>

Hi Charlotte,

Just for something to try, replace 'CurrentDb' with 'DBEngine(0)(0)' to see if that works.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 5:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table

Now I'm getting the "item not found" message on

Set tdf = CurrentDb.TableDefs(strTableName)

Charlotte

Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
wrote:

> The table isn't getting deleted, that's the crazy thing.  It's still 
> there, and it still appears in the navigation pane.  The "item not found"
> was being triggered by the call to the DoesObjectExist function.  I'm 
> about ready to start googling for exorcists!
>
> Charlotte
>
> Charlotte Foust
> (916) 206-4336
>
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Stuart McLachlan 
> <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> wrote:
>
>> I doubt that your problem les with this function.
>>
>> If it returns False "when called from code", then I'd suspect that 
>> your code is deleting the table before this function is called.
>>
>> What line is highlighted when you get the "item not found" error.
>>
>> On 20 Nov 2015 at 15:02, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>>
>> > Public Function DoesObjectExist(ByVal strObjName As String) As Boolean
>> >     On Error Resume Next
>> >     Dim intCnt As Integer
>> >
>> >     intCnt = DCount("[Name]", "MSysObjects", "[Name] = '" & strObjName
>> >     &
>> > "'")
>> >     DoesObjectExist = (intCnt > 0)
>> > End Function
>> >
>> > this *usually* returns true for a table with a broken link. Except, 
>> > sometimes it doesn't.  It does when I call it from the immediate 
>> > window, but when it's called from code, it may return a False.  If 
>> > my hair weren't already nearly white, it would be with this.
>> >
>> > I'm also sometimes getting "item not found in this collection" when 
>> > I try to call the above routine from code.
>> >
>> > Charlotte
>> >
>> >
>> > Charlotte Foust
>> > (916) 206-4336
>> >
>> > On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi Charlotte
>> > >
>> > > And your code is?
>> > >
>> > > /gustav
>> > >
>> > > ________________________________________
>> > > Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af 
>> > > Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com> Sendt: 20. november 
>> > > 2015
>> > > 23:15 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne:
>> > > [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table
>> > >
>> > > I'm working on a db built in 2010 on Windows 7 but I'm using 2013 
>> > > on Windows 10.  I have code that worked just fine last year but 
>> > > is breaking this year because suddenly, if the back end file is 
>> > > moved or renamed, the code to set a tabledef object to the linked 
>> > > table in question can't find the linked table.  Obviously, the 
>> > > table still exists because the linked table manager can see it, 
>> > > so it's still in the system tables, but the code breaks.
>> > >
>> > > Any ideas?
>> > >
>> > > Charlotte Foust
>> > > (916) 206-4336
>> > > --
>> > > AccessD mailing list
>> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> > >
>> > --
>> > AccessD mailing list
>> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>>
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>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Nov 20 18:03:47 2015
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 16:03:47 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table
In-Reply-To: <BLU176-DS16C936CA8ACD4CB18F0636F6190@phx.gbl>
References: <CAH+Met9u+PsDf5MHic9pxZYmfnjZeBhZi45jhE-Y1qsv=HcERA@mail.gmail.com>
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	<564FAC33.23937.14895607@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
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	<CAH+Met-HdSnNfwvygHsYJYcxFcpFwTbMF4GgY6ij9qUkPi7gEg@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU176-DS16C936CA8ACD4CB18F0636F6190@phx.gbl>
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Actually, I tried using currentdb that way because it was failing when I
declared a database object and then set it to CurrentDb().  It's work a try
though.  This is making my nuts!

Charlotte

Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 4:00 PM, Dan Waters <df.waters at outlook.com> wrote:

> Hi Charlotte,
>
> Just for something to try, replace 'CurrentDb' with 'DBEngine(0)(0)' to
> see if that works.
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 5:46 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table
>
> Now I'm getting the "item not found" message on
>
> Set tdf = CurrentDb.TableDefs(strTableName)
>
> Charlotte
>
> Charlotte Foust
> (916) 206-4336
>
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Charlotte Foust <
> charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > The table isn't getting deleted, that's the crazy thing.  It's still
> > there, and it still appears in the navigation pane.  The "item not found"
> > was being triggered by the call to the DoesObjectExist function.  I'm
> > about ready to start googling for exorcists!
> >
> > Charlotte
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> > (916) 206-4336
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Stuart McLachlan
> > <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I doubt that your problem les with this function.
> >>
> >> If it returns False "when called from code", then I'd suspect that
> >> your code is deleting the table before this function is called.
> >>
> >> What line is highlighted when you get the "item not found" error.
> >>
> >> On 20 Nov 2015 at 15:02, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> >>
> >> > Public Function DoesObjectExist(ByVal strObjName As String) As Boolean
> >> >     On Error Resume Next
> >> >     Dim intCnt As Integer
> >> >
> >> >     intCnt = DCount("[Name]", "MSysObjects", "[Name] = '" & strObjName
> >> >     &
> >> > "'")
> >> >     DoesObjectExist = (intCnt > 0)
> >> > End Function
> >> >
> >> > this *usually* returns true for a table with a broken link. Except,
> >> > sometimes it doesn't.  It does when I call it from the immediate
> >> > window, but when it's called from code, it may return a False.  If
> >> > my hair weren't already nearly white, it would be with this.
> >> >
> >> > I'm also sometimes getting "item not found in this collection" when
> >> > I try to call the above routine from code.
> >> >
> >> > Charlotte
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Charlotte Foust
> >> > (916) 206-4336
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Hi Charlotte
> >> > >
> >> > > And your code is?
> >> > >
> >> > > /gustav
> >> > >
> >> > > ________________________________________
> >> > > Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af
> >> > > Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com> Sendt: 20. november
> >> > > 2015
> >> > > 23:15 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne:
> >> > > [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table
> >> > >
> >> > > I'm working on a db built in 2010 on Windows 7 but I'm using 2013
> >> > > on Windows 10.  I have code that worked just fine last year but
> >> > > is breaking this year because suddenly, if the back end file is
> >> > > moved or renamed, the code to set a tabledef object to the linked
> >> > > table in question can't find the linked table.  Obviously, the
> >> > > table still exists because the linked table manager can see it,
> >> > > so it's still in the system tables, but the code breaks.
> >> > >
> >> > > Any ideas?
> >> > >
> >> > > Charlotte Foust
> >> > > (916) 206-4336
> >> > > --
> >> > > AccessD mailing list
> >> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >> > >
> >> > --
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> >> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Nov 20 18:30:33 2015
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 10:30:33 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met_NEtZ9ZsR4tGLY1Re3iXkSk1YRSaqYbTBu-SHHuftgvQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH+Met9u+PsDf5MHic9pxZYmfnjZeBhZi45jhE-Y1qsv=HcERA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<564FAC33.23937.14895607@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<CAH+Met_NEtZ9ZsR4tGLY1Re3iXkSk1YRSaqYbTBu-SHHuftgvQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <564FBB29.21953.14C3C5CB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

That sounds like a FE with a corrupt VBA module :(

-- 
Stuart

On 20 Nov 2015 at 15:33, Charlotte Foust wrote:

> The table isn't getting deleted, that's the crazy thing.  It's still
> there, and it still appears in the navigation pane.  The "item not
> found" was being triggered by the call to the DoesObjectExist
> function.  I'm about ready to start googling for exorcists!
> 
> Charlotte
> 


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Nov 20 18:34:24 2015
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 16:34:24 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table
In-Reply-To: <564FBB29.21953.14C3C5CB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CAH+Met9u+PsDf5MHic9pxZYmfnjZeBhZi45jhE-Y1qsv=HcERA@mail.gmail.com>
	<564FAC33.23937.14895607@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAH+Met_NEtZ9ZsR4tGLY1Re3iXkSk1YRSaqYbTBu-SHHuftgvQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<564FBB29.21953.14C3C5CB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_HBo5c16RJOJvDc59VEmfBzkWYFE4WD4kO6pw9uo_QEw@mail.gmail.com>

I already created a new database and imported everything.  Set the same
references and it's working the same way.  Everything imported except the
broken links.  It refused to import them.

Charlotte

Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 4:30 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
wrote:

> That sounds like a FE with a corrupt VBA module :(
>
> --
> Stuart
>
> On 20 Nov 2015 at 15:33, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>
> > The table isn't getting deleted, that's the crazy thing.  It's still
> > there, and it still appears in the navigation pane.  The "item not
> > found" was being triggered by the call to the DoesObjectExist
> > function.  I'm about ready to start googling for exorcists!
> >
> > Charlotte
> >
>
> --
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Fri Nov 20 18:47:41 2015
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 16:47:41 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met-HdSnNfwvygHsYJYcxFcpFwTbMF4GgY6ij9qUkPi7gEg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH+Met9u+PsDf5MHic9pxZYmfnjZeBhZi45jhE-Y1qsv=HcERA@mail.gmail.com>
	<VI1PR06MB15844DE97441750A5E580A34CA1A0@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
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will this work?

With a linked table, the tabledef.Connect contains the connection
information.
With a non-linked table, the .Connect property is an empty string

Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef
With CurrentDb
For Each tdf In .TableDefs
        If Len(tdf.Connect) > 0 Then
            Debug.Print tdf.Name, tdf.Connect
        End If
    Next
End With

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Now I'm getting the "item not found" message on
>
> Set tdf = CurrentDb.TableDefs(strTableName)
>
> Charlotte
>
> Charlotte Foust
> (916) 206-4336
>
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Charlotte Foust <
> charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > The table isn't getting deleted, that's the crazy thing.  It's still
> > there, and it still appears in the navigation pane.  The "item not found"
> > was being triggered by the call to the DoesObjectExist function.  I'm
> about
> > ready to start googling for exorcists!
> >
> > Charlotte
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> > (916) 206-4336
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Stuart McLachlan <
> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I doubt that your problem les with this function.
> >>
> >> If it returns False "when called from code", then I'd suspect that your
> >> code is deleting the
> >> table before this function is called.
> >>
> >> What line is highlighted when you get the "item not found" error.
> >>
> >> On 20 Nov 2015 at 15:02, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> >>
> >> > Public Function DoesObjectExist(ByVal strObjName As String) As Boolean
> >> >     On Error Resume Next
> >> >     Dim intCnt As Integer
> >> >
> >> >     intCnt = DCount("[Name]", "MSysObjects", "[Name] = '" & strObjName
> >> >     &
> >> > "'")
> >> >     DoesObjectExist = (intCnt > 0)
> >> > End Function
> >> >
> >> > this *usually* returns true for a table with a broken link. Except,
> >> > sometimes it doesn't.  It does when I call it from the immediate
> >> > window, but when it's called from code, it may return a False.  If my
> >> > hair weren't already nearly white, it would be with this.
> >> >
> >> > I'm also sometimes getting "item not found in this collection" when I
> >> > try to call the above routine from code.
> >> >
> >> > Charlotte
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Charlotte Foust
> >> > (916) 206-4336
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Hi Charlotte
> >> > >
> >> > > And your code is?
> >> > >
> >> > > /gustav
> >> > >
> >> > > ________________________________________
> >> > > Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af
> >> > > Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com> Sendt: 20. november
> 2015
> >> > > 23:15 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne:
> >> > > [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table
> >> > >
> >> > > I'm working on a db built in 2010 on Windows 7 but I'm using 2013 on
> >> > > Windows 10.  I have code that worked just fine last year but is
> >> > > breaking this year because suddenly, if the back end file is moved
> >> > > or renamed, the code to set a tabledef object to the linked table in
> >> > > question can't find the linked table.  Obviously, the table still
> >> > > exists because the linked table manager can see it, so it's still in
> >> > > the system tables, but the code breaks.
> >> > >
> >> > > Any ideas?
> >> > >
> >> > > Charlotte Foust
> >> > > (916) 206-4336
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Nov 20 18:51:12 2015
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 16:51:12 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table
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Yes, I know.  It goes right through the list of tabledefs and never finds
those with broken links.  My original code looked something like that.

Charlotte

Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 4:47 PM, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com> wrote:

> will this work?
>
> With a linked table, the tabledef.Connect contains the connection
> information.
> With a non-linked table, the .Connect property is an empty string
>
> Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef
> With CurrentDb
> For Each tdf In .TableDefs
>         If Len(tdf.Connect) > 0 Then
>             Debug.Print tdf.Name, tdf.Connect
>         End If
>     Next
> End With
>
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Charlotte Foust <
> charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Now I'm getting the "item not found" message on
> >
> > Set tdf = CurrentDb.TableDefs(strTableName)
> >
> > Charlotte
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> > (916) 206-4336
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Charlotte Foust <
> > charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > The table isn't getting deleted, that's the crazy thing.  It's still
> > > there, and it still appears in the navigation pane.  The "item not
> found"
> > > was being triggered by the call to the DoesObjectExist function.  I'm
> > about
> > > ready to start googling for exorcists!
> > >
> > > Charlotte
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > > (916) 206-4336
> > >
> > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Stuart McLachlan <
> > stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> I doubt that your problem les with this function.
> > >>
> > >> If it returns False "when called from code", then I'd suspect that
> your
> > >> code is deleting the
> > >> table before this function is called.
> > >>
> > >> What line is highlighted when you get the "item not found" error.
> > >>
> > >> On 20 Nov 2015 at 15:02, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Public Function DoesObjectExist(ByVal strObjName As String) As
> Boolean
> > >> >     On Error Resume Next
> > >> >     Dim intCnt As Integer
> > >> >
> > >> >     intCnt = DCount("[Name]", "MSysObjects", "[Name] = '" &
> strObjName
> > >> >     &
> > >> > "'")
> > >> >     DoesObjectExist = (intCnt > 0)
> > >> > End Function
> > >> >
> > >> > this *usually* returns true for a table with a broken link. Except,
> > >> > sometimes it doesn't.  It does when I call it from the immediate
> > >> > window, but when it's called from code, it may return a False.  If
> my
> > >> > hair weren't already nearly white, it would be with this.
> > >> >
> > >> > I'm also sometimes getting "item not found in this collection" when
> I
> > >> > try to call the above routine from code.
> > >> >
> > >> > Charlotte
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Charlotte Foust
> > >> > (916) 206-4336
> > >> >
> > >> > On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > Hi Charlotte
> > >> > >
> > >> > > And your code is?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > /gustav
> > >> > >
> > >> > > ________________________________________
> > >> > > Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af
> > >> > > Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com> Sendt: 20. november
> > 2015
> > >> > > 23:15 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne:
> > >> > > [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I'm working on a db built in 2010 on Windows 7 but I'm using 2013
> on
> > >> > > Windows 10.  I have code that worked just fine last year but is
> > >> > > breaking this year because suddenly, if the back end file is moved
> > >> > > or renamed, the code to set a tabledef object to the linked table
> in
> > >> > > question can't find the linked table.  Obviously, the table still
> > >> > > exists because the linked table manager can see it, so it's still
> in
> > >> > > the system tables, but the code breaks.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Any ideas?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Charlotte Foust
> > >> > > (916) 206-4336
> > >> > > --
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Nov 21 03:41:16 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 09:41:16 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table
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Hi Charlotte

By second thought, I don't think you can check for a broken link other than trying to open the table and catch an error.

A TableDef with a link doesn't go except if you delete it (why should you?). Or it might never has been there - it's a new table required by a new version of the application - and you would know that and have code that creates this TableDef.

I just check one essential small table linked from the backend. If opening it fails, I relink all tables of that backend.

/gustav

________________________________________
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Sendt: 21. november 2015 00:02
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table

Public Function DoesObjectExist(ByVal strObjName As String) As Boolean
    On Error Resume Next
    Dim intCnt As Integer

    intCnt = DCount("[Name]", "MSysObjects", "[Name] = '" & strObjName &
"'")
    DoesObjectExist = (intCnt > 0)
End Function

this *usually* returns true for a table with a broken link. Except,
sometimes it doesn't.  It does when I call it from the immediate window,
but when it's called from code, it may return a False.  If my hair weren't
already nearly white, it would be with this.

I'm also sometimes getting "item not found in this collection" when I try
to call the above routine from code.

Charlotte


Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Charlotte
>
> And your code is?
>
> /gustav
>
> ________________________________________
> Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Charlotte
> Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> Sendt: 20. november 2015 23:15
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table
>
> I'm working on a db built in 2010 on Windows 7 but I'm using 2013 on
> Windows 10.  I have code that worked just fine last year but is breaking
> this year because suddenly, if the back end file is moved or renamed, the
> code to set a tabledef object to the linked table in question can't find
> the linked table.  Obviously, the table still exists because the linked
> table manager can see it, so it's still in the system tables, but the code
> breaks.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Charlotte Foust
> (916) 206-4336


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Sat Nov 21 06:26:21 2015
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 07:26:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table
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Charlotte,

 Yes, that's exactly the method you need to use.

 I would say the same for checking for the existence of a tabledef and not
rely on looking at msysobjects.  The reason I say that is because the tables
are un-documented, so you never know what changes Microsoft might make in
them.  

 Msysobjects is pretty safe and a lot of people have used it however.  I've
never heard of anyone having a problem, but you are using a backdoor method.
Personally I've always used a method/property through the object model
rather than anything direct.  In this case I do:

Function DoesTblExist(strTblName As String) As Boolean

    Dim db As DAO.Database, tbl As DAO.TableDef

    On Error Resume Next

    Set db = CurDb(True)
    Set tbl = db.TableDefs(strTblName)

    If Err.Number = 3265 Then
        DoesTblExist = False
    Else
        DoesTblExist = True
    End If

End Function


 As for checking the link, I do what gustav suggested and attempt to open a
recordset on the table:


Function IsJETTableAttached(strDatabaseName As String, strTableName As
String) As Integer

    Dim rstTest As DAO.Recordset
    Dim intRet As Integer

    On Error Resume Next
    Err = 0

    Set rstTest = CurDb.OpenRecordset("SELECT * FROM " & strTableName & "
WHERE 1 = 0")
    
    If Err = 0 Then
        intRet = True
    Else
        intRet = RefreshJETTables(strDatabaseName)
    End If

    rstTest.Close
    Set rstTest = Nothing

    IsJETTableAttached = intRet
    
    If IsJETTableAttached = False Then
        Call ApplicationExit
    End If

End Function

 The WHERE 1 = 0 is a cheap way to return no records.   I also allow the
user to browse to the location of the BE in RefreshJETTables(), which is why
the logic is the way it is.  The BE database name is explicitly passed in
intentionally rather than relying on what's in the TableDefs connect string.


 Couple other points:

1. I'd check what's being passed to the routine as a table name when called
from code.  Looks to me like a problem with the call rather than the
routine.

2. CurrentDB() vs dbEngine(0)(0): CurrentDB() is Access's reference to the
database, dbengine is JET's.   Access's is the one you want to use as it
will always be up to date.   If you want to know a little more about all
that and a method that gives you the best of both worlds, give this a read:

CurrentDB() vs. dbEngine.Workspaces(0).Databases(0) and an alternative
http://rdsrc.us/rO0m9j

3. Your existing routine could be simplified a bit:

Public Function DoesObjectExist(ByVal strObjName As String) As Boolean

    On Error Resume Next

    DoesObjectExist = DCount("*", "MSysObjects", "[Name] = '" & strObjName &
"'")>0

End Function

 Don't need the variable really and the count should use "*" instead of a
field name.  The asterisk has optimizations built-in to speed up the count.

 Both are very moot points given the task at hand, but it would be
fractionally faster.

HTH,
Jim.


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Gustav Brock
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 04:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table

Hi Charlotte

By second thought, I don't think you can check for a broken link other than
trying to open the table and catch an error.

A TableDef with a link doesn't go except if you delete it (why should you?).
Or it might never has been there - it's a new table required by a new
version of the application - and you would know that and have code that
creates this TableDef.

I just check one essential small table linked from the backend. If opening
it fails, I relink all tables of that backend.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Charlotte
Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
Sendt: 21. november 2015 00:02
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table

Public Function DoesObjectExist(ByVal strObjName As String) As Boolean
    On Error Resume Next
    Dim intCnt As Integer

    intCnt = DCount("[Name]", "MSysObjects", "[Name] = '" & strObjName &
"'")
    DoesObjectExist = (intCnt > 0)
End Function

this *usually* returns true for a table with a broken link. Except,
sometimes it doesn't.  It does when I call it from the immediate window,
but when it's called from code, it may return a False.  If my hair weren't
already nearly white, it would be with this.

I'm also sometimes getting "item not found in this collection" when I try
to call the above routine from code.

Charlotte


Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Charlotte
>
> And your code is?
>
> /gustav
>
> ________________________________________
> Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Charlotte
> Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> Sendt: 20. november 2015 23:15
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table
>
> I'm working on a db built in 2010 on Windows 7 but I'm using 2013 on
> Windows 10.  I have code that worked just fine last year but is breaking
> this year because suddenly, if the back end file is moved or renamed, the
> code to set a tabledef object to the linked table in question can't find
> the linked table.  Obviously, the table still exists because the linked
> table manager can see it, so it's still in the system tables, but the code
> breaks.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Charlotte Foust
> (916) 206-4336

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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Sat Nov 21 09:22:41 2015
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 07:22:41 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table
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I've been using this approach for years and with no problems ... until
now.  The table I'm testing has to be there so it isn't deleted ever.  I'm
going around in circles!

Charlotte
On Nov 21, 2015 1:42 AM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Charlotte
>
> By second thought, I don't think you can check for a broken link other
> than trying to open the table and catch an error.
>
> A TableDef with a link doesn't go except if you delete it (why should
> you?). Or it might never has been there - it's a new table required by a
> new version of the application - and you would know that and have code that
> creates this TableDef.
>
> I just check one essential small table linked from the backend. If opening
> it fails, I relink all tables of that backend.
>
> /gustav
>
> ________________________________________
> Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Charlotte
> Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> Sendt: 21. november 2015 00:02
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table
>
> Public Function DoesObjectExist(ByVal strObjName As String) As Boolean
>     On Error Resume Next
>     Dim intCnt As Integer
>
>     intCnt = DCount("[Name]", "MSysObjects", "[Name] = '" & strObjName &
> "'")
>     DoesObjectExist = (intCnt > 0)
> End Function
>
> this *usually* returns true for a table with a broken link. Except,
> sometimes it doesn't.  It does when I call it from the immediate window,
> but when it's called from code, it may return a False.  If my hair weren't
> already nearly white, it would be with this.
>
> I'm also sometimes getting "item not found in this collection" when I try
> to call the above routine from code.
>
> Charlotte
>
>
> Charlotte Foust
> (916) 206-4336
>
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> > Hi Charlotte
> >
> > And your code is?
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af
> Charlotte
> > Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> > Sendt: 20. november 2015 23:15
> > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Emne: [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table
> >
> > I'm working on a db built in 2010 on Windows 7 but I'm using 2013 on
> > Windows 10.  I have code that worked just fine last year but is breaking
> > this year because suddenly, if the back end file is moved or renamed, the
> > code to set a tabledef object to the linked table in question can't find
> > the linked table.  Obviously, the table still exists because the linked
> > table manager can see it, so it's still in the system tables, but the
> code
> > breaks.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> > (916) 206-4336
>
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Sat Nov 21 10:41:30 2015
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 08:41:30 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table
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Thanks Jim,

I've already done all those things and I can step through the code and
watch it fail.   I just can't find a reason why.   I tried setting a
tabledef variable to the object using the current access methods. When that
failed, I tried checking to see if the table existed.  I started off simple
and got more complicated as I tried to determine why something built-in
should fail.  Originally, I just set the variable to the tabledef object so
I could read its connection property.  That didn't work because access
insisted the item wasn't  found in tabledefs.  This is driving me around me
around the bend.

Charlotte
On Nov 21, 2015 4:26 AM, "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

> Charlotte,
>
>  Yes, that's exactly the method you need to use.
>
>  I would say the same for checking for the existence of a tabledef and not
> rely on looking at msysobjects.  The reason I say that is because the
> tables
> are un-documented, so you never know what changes Microsoft might make in
> them.
>
>  Msysobjects is pretty safe and a lot of people have used it however.  I've
> never heard of anyone having a problem, but you are using a backdoor
> method.
> Personally I've always used a method/property through the object model
> rather than anything direct.  In this case I do:
>
> Function DoesTblExist(strTblName As String) As Boolean
>
>     Dim db As DAO.Database, tbl As DAO.TableDef
>
>     On Error Resume Next
>
>     Set db = CurDb(True)
>     Set tbl = db.TableDefs(strTblName)
>
>     If Err.Number = 3265 Then
>         DoesTblExist = False
>     Else
>         DoesTblExist = True
>     End If
>
> End Function
>
>
>  As for checking the link, I do what gustav suggested and attempt to open a
> recordset on the table:
>
>
> Function IsJETTableAttached(strDatabaseName As String, strTableName As
> String) As Integer
>
>     Dim rstTest As DAO.Recordset
>     Dim intRet As Integer
>
>     On Error Resume Next
>     Err = 0
>
>     Set rstTest = CurDb.OpenRecordset("SELECT * FROM " & strTableName & "
> WHERE 1 = 0")
>
>     If Err = 0 Then
>         intRet = True
>     Else
>         intRet = RefreshJETTables(strDatabaseName)
>     End If
>
>     rstTest.Close
>     Set rstTest = Nothing
>
>     IsJETTableAttached = intRet
>
>     If IsJETTableAttached = False Then
>         Call ApplicationExit
>     End If
>
> End Function
>
>  The WHERE 1 = 0 is a cheap way to return no records.   I also allow the
> user to browse to the location of the BE in RefreshJETTables(), which is
> why
> the logic is the way it is.  The BE database name is explicitly passed in
> intentionally rather than relying on what's in the TableDefs connect
> string.
>
>
>  Couple other points:
>
> 1. I'd check what's being passed to the routine as a table name when called
> from code.  Looks to me like a problem with the call rather than the
> routine.
>
> 2. CurrentDB() vs dbEngine(0)(0): CurrentDB() is Access's reference to the
> database, dbengine is JET's.   Access's is the one you want to use as it
> will always be up to date.   If you want to know a little more about all
> that and a method that gives you the best of both worlds, give this a read:
>
> CurrentDB() vs. dbEngine.Workspaces(0).Databases(0) and an alternative
> http://rdsrc.us/rO0m9j
>
> 3. Your existing routine could be simplified a bit:
>
> Public Function DoesObjectExist(ByVal strObjName As String) As Boolean
>
>     On Error Resume Next
>
>     DoesObjectExist = DCount("*", "MSysObjects", "[Name] = '" & strObjName
> &
> "'")>0
>
> End Function
>
>  Don't need the variable really and the count should use "*" instead of a
> field name.  The asterisk has optimizations built-in to speed up the count.
>
>  Both are very moot points given the task at hand, but it would be
> fractionally faster.
>
> HTH,
> Jim.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Gustav Brock
> Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 04:41 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table
>
> Hi Charlotte
>
> By second thought, I don't think you can check for a broken link other than
> trying to open the table and catch an error.
>
> A TableDef with a link doesn't go except if you delete it (why should
> you?).
> Or it might never has been there - it's a new table required by a new
> version of the application - and you would know that and have code that
> creates this TableDef.
>
> I just check one essential small table linked from the backend. If opening
> it fails, I relink all tables of that backend.
>
> /gustav
>
> ________________________________________
> Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Charlotte
> Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> Sendt: 21. november 2015 00:02
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table
>
> Public Function DoesObjectExist(ByVal strObjName As String) As Boolean
>     On Error Resume Next
>     Dim intCnt As Integer
>
>     intCnt = DCount("[Name]", "MSysObjects", "[Name] = '" & strObjName &
> "'")
>     DoesObjectExist = (intCnt > 0)
> End Function
>
> this *usually* returns true for a table with a broken link. Except,
> sometimes it doesn't.  It does when I call it from the immediate window,
> but when it's called from code, it may return a False.  If my hair weren't
> already nearly white, it would be with this.
>
> I'm also sometimes getting "item not found in this collection" when I try
> to call the above routine from code.
>
> Charlotte
>
>
> Charlotte Foust
> (916) 206-4336
>
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> > Hi Charlotte
> >
> > And your code is?
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af
> Charlotte
> > Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> > Sendt: 20. november 2015 23:15
> > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Emne: [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table
> >
> > I'm working on a db built in 2010 on Windows 7 but I'm using 2013 on
> > Windows 10.  I have code that worked just fine last year but is breaking
> > this year because suddenly, if the back end file is moved or renamed, the
> > code to set a tabledef object to the linked table in question can't find
> > the linked table.  Obviously, the table still exists because the linked
> > table manager can see it, so it's still in the system tables, but the
> code
> > breaks.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> > (916) 206-4336
>
> --
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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>
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From df.waters at outlook.com  Sat Nov 21 11:04:42 2015
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 11:04:42 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table
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Hi Charlotte,

Let's try something:

1) Create a shortcut to your Access app file.
2) Rename the shortcut to include the word 'Decompile' for your reference later on.
3) Open the properties of that shortcut.  At the end of the Target type in ' /decompile' (with a space and without the apostrophes).
4) Right-click the new shortcut to display the menu.  Hold down the Shift key and click on Open at the top of the menu.  Your app will open and will decompile, but will not run.
5) Open a code window.  First, push the Save button.  Then Compile the app using Debug | Compile.  Then push Save again.  
6) If you are having a code issue, you might see it when you compile the app.
7) You might notice a size reduction in the file when you do this.

I read about this procedure somewhere, and it has helped me occasionally.

HTH!
Dan




From jimdettman at verizon.net  Sat Nov 21 11:04:53 2015
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 12:04:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table
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 If you can work up a small sample db, feel free to forward and I'll have a
look.

 Would probably be tomorrow though before I get to it; one last ride on the
bike before the snow flies,  mowers need to go away, and the snow blower
needs to come out<g>.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Charlotte Foust
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 11:42 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table

Thanks Jim,

I've already done all those things and I can step through the code and
watch it fail.   I just can't find a reason why.   I tried setting a
tabledef variable to the object using the current access methods. When that
failed, I tried checking to see if the table existed.  I started off simple
and got more complicated as I tried to determine why something built-in
should fail.  Originally, I just set the variable to the tabledef object so
I could read its connection property.  That didn't work because access
insisted the item wasn't  found in tabledefs.  This is driving me around me
around the bend.

Charlotte
On Nov 21, 2015 4:26 AM, "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

> Charlotte,
>
>  Yes, that's exactly the method you need to use.
>
>  I would say the same for checking for the existence of a tabledef and not
> rely on looking at msysobjects.  The reason I say that is because the
> tables
> are un-documented, so you never know what changes Microsoft might make in
> them.
>
>  Msysobjects is pretty safe and a lot of people have used it however.
I've
> never heard of anyone having a problem, but you are using a backdoor
> method.
> Personally I've always used a method/property through the object model
> rather than anything direct.  In this case I do:
>
> Function DoesTblExist(strTblName As String) As Boolean
>
>     Dim db As DAO.Database, tbl As DAO.TableDef
>
>     On Error Resume Next
>
>     Set db = CurDb(True)
>     Set tbl = db.TableDefs(strTblName)
>
>     If Err.Number = 3265 Then
>         DoesTblExist = False
>     Else
>         DoesTblExist = True
>     End If
>
> End Function
>
>
>  As for checking the link, I do what gustav suggested and attempt to open
a
> recordset on the table:
>
>
> Function IsJETTableAttached(strDatabaseName As String, strTableName As
> String) As Integer
>
>     Dim rstTest As DAO.Recordset
>     Dim intRet As Integer
>
>     On Error Resume Next
>     Err = 0
>
>     Set rstTest = CurDb.OpenRecordset("SELECT * FROM " & strTableName & "
> WHERE 1 = 0")
>
>     If Err = 0 Then
>         intRet = True
>     Else
>         intRet = RefreshJETTables(strDatabaseName)
>     End If
>
>     rstTest.Close
>     Set rstTest = Nothing
>
>     IsJETTableAttached = intRet
>
>     If IsJETTableAttached = False Then
>         Call ApplicationExit
>     End If
>
> End Function
>
>  The WHERE 1 = 0 is a cheap way to return no records.   I also allow the
> user to browse to the location of the BE in RefreshJETTables(), which is
> why
> the logic is the way it is.  The BE database name is explicitly passed in
> intentionally rather than relying on what's in the TableDefs connect
> string.
>
>
>  Couple other points:
>
> 1. I'd check what's being passed to the routine as a table name when
called
> from code.  Looks to me like a problem with the call rather than the
> routine.
>
> 2. CurrentDB() vs dbEngine(0)(0): CurrentDB() is Access's reference to the
> database, dbengine is JET's.   Access's is the one you want to use as it
> will always be up to date.   If you want to know a little more about all
> that and a method that gives you the best of both worlds, give this a
read:
>
> CurrentDB() vs. dbEngine.Workspaces(0).Databases(0) and an alternative
> http://rdsrc.us/rO0m9j
>
> 3. Your existing routine could be simplified a bit:
>
> Public Function DoesObjectExist(ByVal strObjName As String) As Boolean
>
>     On Error Resume Next
>
>     DoesObjectExist = DCount("*", "MSysObjects", "[Name] = '" & strObjName
> &
> "'")>0
>
> End Function
>
>  Don't need the variable really and the count should use "*" instead of a
> field name.  The asterisk has optimizations built-in to speed up the
count.
>
>  Both are very moot points given the task at hand, but it would be
> fractionally faster.
>
> HTH,
> Jim.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Gustav Brock
> Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 04:41 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table
>
> Hi Charlotte
>
> By second thought, I don't think you can check for a broken link other
than
> trying to open the table and catch an error.
>
> A TableDef with a link doesn't go except if you delete it (why should
> you?).
> Or it might never has been there - it's a new table required by a new
> version of the application - and you would know that and have code that
> creates this TableDef.
>
> I just check one essential small table linked from the backend. If opening
> it fails, I relink all tables of that backend.
>
> /gustav
>
> ________________________________________
> Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Charlotte
> Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> Sendt: 21. november 2015 00:02
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table
>
> Public Function DoesObjectExist(ByVal strObjName As String) As Boolean
>     On Error Resume Next
>     Dim intCnt As Integer
>
>     intCnt = DCount("[Name]", "MSysObjects", "[Name] = '" & strObjName &
> "'")
>     DoesObjectExist = (intCnt > 0)
> End Function
>
> this *usually* returns true for a table with a broken link. Except,
> sometimes it doesn't.  It does when I call it from the immediate window,
> but when it's called from code, it may return a False.  If my hair weren't
> already nearly white, it would be with this.
>
> I'm also sometimes getting "item not found in this collection" when I try
> to call the above routine from code.
>
> Charlotte
>
>
> Charlotte Foust
> (916) 206-4336
>
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> > Hi Charlotte
> >
> > And your code is?
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af
> Charlotte
> > Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> > Sendt: 20. november 2015 23:15
> > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Emne: [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table
> >
> > I'm working on a db built in 2010 on Windows 7 but I'm using 2013 on
> > Windows 10.  I have code that worked just fine last year but is breaking
> > this year because suddenly, if the back end file is moved or renamed,
the
> > code to set a tabledef object to the linked table in question can't find
> > the linked table.  Obviously, the table still exists because the linked
> > table manager can see it, so it's still in the system tables, but the
> code
> > breaks.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> > (916) 206-4336
>
> --
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>
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Sat Nov 21 11:15:13 2015
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 09:15:13 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table
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I already tried decompiling and recompiling.  No difference.  Believe me
guys, I've tried everything you're suggesting.  That's why I'm here, hoping
someone will have a brainstorm and come up with a reason or a new idea.

Charlotte

Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 9:04 AM, Dan Waters <df.waters at outlook.com> wrote:

> Hi Charlotte,
>
> Let's try something:
>
> 1) Create a shortcut to your Access app file.
> 2) Rename the shortcut to include the word 'Decompile' for your reference
> later on.
> 3) Open the properties of that shortcut.  At the end of the Target type in
> ' /decompile' (with a space and without the apostrophes).
> 4) Right-click the new shortcut to display the menu.  Hold down the Shift
> key and click on Open at the top of the menu.  Your app will open and will
> decompile, but will not run.
> 5) Open a code window.  First, push the Save button.  Then Compile the app
> using Debug | Compile.  Then push Save again.
> 6) If you are having a code issue, you might see it when you compile the
> app.
> 7) You might notice a size reduction in the file when you do this.
>
> I read about this procedure somewhere, and it has helped me occasionally.
>
> HTH!
> Dan
>
>
>
> --
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Sat Nov 21 14:16:39 2015
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 15:16:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table
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 If you open msysobjects, can you find the table name?

 I'm in BTW if you want to send something along.
jimdettman at online-computer-services.net

Jim.

 

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From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Charlotte Foust
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 12:15 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connect String for Linked Table

I already tried decompiling and recompiling.  No difference.  Believe me
guys, I've tried everything you're suggesting.  That's why I'm here, hoping
someone will have a brainstorm and come up with a reason or a new idea.

Charlotte

Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 9:04 AM, Dan Waters <df.waters at outlook.com> wrote:

> Hi Charlotte,
>
> Let's try something:
>
> 1) Create a shortcut to your Access app file.
> 2) Rename the shortcut to include the word 'Decompile' for your reference
> later on.
> 3) Open the properties of that shortcut.  At the end of the Target type in
> ' /decompile' (with a space and without the apostrophes).
> 4) Right-click the new shortcut to display the menu.  Hold down the Shift
> key and click on Open at the top of the menu.  Your app will open and will
> decompile, but will not run.
> 5) Open a code window.  First, push the Save button.  Then Compile the app
> using Debug | Compile.  Then push Save again.
> 6) If you are having a code issue, you might see it when you compile the
> app.
> 7) You might notice a size reduction in the file when you do this.
>
> I read about this procedure somewhere, and it has helped me occasionally.
>
> HTH!
> Dan
>
>
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