From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Aug 2 10:33:41 2016 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 08:33:41 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Flash and Flicker Message-ID: <005f01d1ecd3$3f9307b0$beb91710$@bchacc.com> Dear Lists: I am developing in Access 2010 now - just oved from 2003 (about time, no?). In design view, however, I am getting flashing or flicker in several places the most obvious is moving from one property to another on the property sheet. But using the Navigation Pane I get it as well when scrolling and when I stop scrolling the focus shifts and I have to scroll some more to get to the object I need to open. I can't find any reference to this problem on the internets - plenty on flickering in form view, but I can find nothing about this problem in design view. Has anyone seen this problem? TIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 760-683-5777 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com Tue Aug 2 10:42:37 2016 From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 15:42:37 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Flash and Flicker In-Reply-To: <005f01d1ecd3$3f9307b0$beb91710$@bchacc.com> References: <005f01d1ecd3$3f9307b0$beb91710$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: New one on me, Rocky. Sounds like a display driver issue perhaps? Or memory. Lambert? -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 11:34 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Off Topic' Subject: [AccessD] Flash and Flicker Dear Lists: I am developing in Access 2010 now - just oved from 2003 (about time, no?). In design view, however, I am getting flashing or flicker in several places the most obvious is moving from one property to another on the property sheet. But using the Navigation Pane I get it as well when scrolling and when I stop scrolling the focus shifts and I have to scroll some more to get to the object I need to open. I can't find any reference to this problem on the internets - plenty on flickering in form view, but I can find nothing about this problem in design view. Has anyone seen this problem? TIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 760-683-5777 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Aug 2 10:56:40 2016 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 08:56:40 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Flash and Flicker In-Reply-To: References: <005f01d1ecd3$3f9307b0$beb91710$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: <007201d1ecd6$7592b380$60b81a80$@bchacc.com> Machine's got lots of memory - 8GB with only 27% being used. Maybe there's an updated driver for my video card? But this problem is only (AFAICT so far) in access design view. R -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 8:43 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Off Topic' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Flash and Flicker New one on me, Rocky. Sounds like a display driver issue perhaps? Or memory. Lambert? -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 11:34 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Off Topic' Subject: [AccessD] Flash and Flicker Dear Lists: I am developing in Access 2010 now - just oved from 2003 (about time, no?). In design view, however, I am getting flashing or flicker in several places the most obvious is moving from one property to another on the property sheet. But using the Navigation Pane I get it as well when scrolling and when I stop scrolling the focus shifts and I have to scroll some more to get to the object I need to open. I can't find any reference to this problem on the internets - plenty on flickering in form view, but I can find nothing about this problem in design view. Has anyone seen this problem? TIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 760-683-5777 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Tue Aug 2 11:13:18 2016 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 17:13:18 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Flash and Flicker In-Reply-To: <007201d1ecd6$7592b380$60b81a80$@bchacc.com> References: <005f01d1ecd3$3f9307b0$beb91710$@bchacc.com> <007201d1ecd6$7592b380$60b81a80$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: What OS, I'm not making much use of access nowadays - mostly Excel & Word I am seeing occasional 'flickers' or flash of something under Win-10, in various apps and they were not there under win-7 An older Lenovo system 2GB - 2TB Seagate drive, 2 core 2.4Ghz CPU, 64 bit-Win-10 Pro. Maybe in settings/controlpanel tweak your running - mode changing performance to the screen apps rather than background, and lose some animation? Also - I can see the attraction of 2010, but would have thought going 2016 was the more logical step -avoid the extra annoyance of dealing with the 2010->2016 changes as a separate rain-burn-in. JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 4:57 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Flash and Flicker Machine's got lots of memory - 8GB with only 27% being used. Maybe there's an updated driver for my video card? But this problem is only (AFAICT so far) in access design view. R -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 8:43 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Off Topic' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Flash and Flicker New one on me, Rocky. Sounds like a display driver issue perhaps? Or memory. Lambert? -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 11:34 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Off Topic' Subject: [AccessD] Flash and Flicker Dear Lists: I am developing in Access 2010 now - just oved from 2003 (about time, no?). In design view, however, I am getting flashing or flicker in several places the most obvious is moving from one property to another on the property sheet. But using the Navigation Pane I get it as well when scrolling and when I stop scrolling the focus shifts and I have to scroll some more to get to the object I need to open. I can't find any reference to this problem on the internets - plenty on flickering in form view, but I can find nothing about this problem in design view. Has anyone seen this problem? TIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 760-683-5777 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Aug 2 12:47:45 2016 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 10:47:45 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Flash and Flicker In-Reply-To: References: <005f01d1ecd3$3f9307b0$beb91710$@bchacc.com> <007201d1ecd6$7592b380$60b81a80$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: <007901d1ece5$fa507da0$eef178e0$@bchacc.com> Win 10. Just moved to it. Don't know if it's W10 causing the problem because I upped to A2010 after the W10 upgrade. I'm not seeing the flash in any other Office module, though. R -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 9:13 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Flash and Flicker What OS, I'm not making much use of access nowadays - mostly Excel & Word I am seeing occasional 'flickers' or flash of something under Win-10, in various apps and they were not there under win-7 An older Lenovo system 2GB - 2TB Seagate drive, 2 core 2.4Ghz CPU, 64 bit-Win-10 Pro. Maybe in settings/controlpanel tweak your running - mode changing performance to the screen apps rather than background, and lose some animation? Also - I can see the attraction of 2010, but would have thought going 2016 was the more logical step -avoid the extra annoyance of dealing with the 2010->2016 changes as a separate rain-burn-in. JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 4:57 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Flash and Flicker Machine's got lots of memory - 8GB with only 27% being used. Maybe there's an updated driver for my video card? But this problem is only (AFAICT so far) in access design view. R -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 8:43 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Off Topic' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Flash and Flicker New one on me, Rocky. Sounds like a display driver issue perhaps? Or memory. Lambert? -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 11:34 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Off Topic' Subject: [AccessD] Flash and Flicker Dear Lists: I am developing in Access 2010 now - just oved from 2003 (about time, no?). In design view, however, I am getting flashing or flicker in several places the most obvious is moving from one property to another on the property sheet. But using the Navigation Pane I get it as well when scrolling and when I stop scrolling the focus shifts and I have to scroll some more to get to the object I need to open. I can't find any reference to this problem on the internets - plenty on flickering in form view, but I can find nothing about this problem in design view. Has anyone seen this problem? TIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 760-683-5777 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Tue Aug 2 13:50:05 2016 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 19:50:05 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Flash and Flicker In-Reply-To: <007901d1ece5$fa507da0$eef178e0$@bchacc.com> References: <005f01d1ecd3$3f9307b0$beb91710$@bchacc.com> <007201d1ecd6$7592b380$60b81a80$@bchacc.com> <007901d1ece5$fa507da0$eef178e0$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: Sorry - Can't say if it is win-10, just I don't remember any flash & flicker from 2010 under win-7 Actually, can't remember any intrusive flash & flicker effects running under win-7 - but again - as an Access 2010 user, - no development for over a year - well, nearly 2 years now. And I was using 2010 until recently (had to go 2016 to match the stuff the clients are now getting on their new PC's) 2010 Excel VBA under 7 gave no noticeable problems 2016 Excel VBA under 10 - I haven't got comfortable enough with it to, by default, expect smoothness, but I suspect I'm not getting it . Could be that win-10 has changed your driver - either a new version, or subtly different usage setup options Again - cannot help you with that, just from the 'SIW' output, I know there's probably lots of choices for the OS to select from. JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 6:48 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Flash and Flicker Win 10. Just moved to it. Don't know if it's W10 causing the problem because I upped to A2010 after the W10 upgrade. I'm not seeing the flash in any other Office module, though. R -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 9:13 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Flash and Flicker What OS, I'm not making much use of access nowadays - mostly Excel & Word I am seeing occasional 'flickers' or flash of something under Win-10, in various apps and they were not there under win-7 An older Lenovo system 2GB - 2TB Seagate drive, 2 core 2.4Ghz CPU, 64 bit-Win-10 Pro. Maybe in settings/controlpanel tweak your running - mode changing performance to the screen apps rather than background, and lose some animation? Also - I can see the attraction of 2010, but would have thought going 2016 was the more logical step -avoid the extra annoyance of dealing with the 2010->2016 changes as a separate rain-burn-in. JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 4:57 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Flash and Flicker Machine's got lots of memory - 8GB with only 27% being used. Maybe there's an updated driver for my video card? But this problem is only (AFAICT so far) in access design view. R -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 8:43 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Off Topic' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Flash and Flicker New one on me, Rocky. Sounds like a display driver issue perhaps? Or memory. Lambert? -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 11:34 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Off Topic' Subject: [AccessD] Flash and Flicker Dear Lists: I am developing in Access 2010 now - just oved from 2003 (about time, no?). In design view, however, I am getting flashing or flicker in several places the most obvious is moving from one property to another on the property sheet. But using the Navigation Pane I get it as well when scrolling and when I stop scrolling the focus shifts and I have to scroll some more to get to the object I need to open. I can't find any reference to this problem on the internets - plenty on flickering in form view, but I can find nothing about this problem in design view. Has anyone seen this problem? TIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 760-683-5777 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Tue Aug 2 18:36:11 2016 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 23:36:11 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Flash and Flicker In-Reply-To: <007901d1ece5$fa507da0$eef178e0$@bchacc.com> References: <005f01d1ecd3$3f9307b0$beb91710$@bchacc.com> <007201d1ecd6$7592b380$60b81a80$@bchacc.com> <007901d1ece5$fa507da0$eef178e0$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: I would add that using W10, with office 2016 desktop installed - Access has been suspiciously well behaved and stable. Most annoyingly - Excel on the other hand is more flickery and less stable than Excel 2010. Go figure. Regards Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 3 August, 2016 3:48 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Flash and Flicker Win 10. Just moved to it. Don't know if it's W10 causing the problem because I upped to A2010 after the W10 upgrade. I'm not seeing the flash in any other Office module, though. R -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 9:13 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Flash and Flicker What OS, I'm not making much use of access nowadays - mostly Excel & Word I am seeing occasional 'flickers' or flash of something under Win-10, in various apps and they were not there under win-7 An older Lenovo system 2GB - 2TB Seagate drive, 2 core 2.4Ghz CPU, 64 bit-Win-10 Pro. Maybe in settings/controlpanel tweak your running - mode changing performance to the screen apps rather than background, and lose some animation? Also - I can see the attraction of 2010, but would have thought going 2016 was the more logical step -avoid the extra annoyance of dealing with the 2010->2016 changes as a separate rain-burn-in. JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 4:57 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Flash and Flicker Machine's got lots of memory - 8GB with only 27% being used. Maybe there's an updated driver for my video card? But this problem is only (AFAICT so far) in access design view. R -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 8:43 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Off Topic' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Flash and Flicker New one on me, Rocky. Sounds like a display driver issue perhaps? Or memory. Lambert? -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 11:34 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Off Topic' Subject: [AccessD] Flash and Flicker Dear Lists: I am developing in Access 2010 now - just oved from 2003 (about time, no?). In design view, however, I am getting flashing or flicker in several places the most obvious is moving from one property to another on the property sheet. But using the Navigation Pane I get it as well when scrolling and when I stop scrolling the focus shifts and I have to scroll some more to get to the object I need to open. I can't find any reference to this problem on the internets - plenty on flickering in form view, but I can find nothing about this problem in design view. Has anyone seen this problem? TIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 760-683-5777 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marksimms at verizon.net Wed Aug 3 11:01:57 2016 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2016 12:01:57 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Flash and Flicker In-Reply-To: References: <005f01d1ecd3$3f9307b0$beb91710$@bchacc.com> <007201d1ecd6$7592b380$60b81a80$@bchacc.com> <007901d1ece5$fa507da0$eef178e0$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: <042401d1eda0$5d898960$189c9c20$@net> > I would add that using W10, with office 2016 desktop installed - > Access has been suspiciously well behaved and stable. Most annoyingly > - Excel on the other hand is more flickery and less stable than Excel > 2010. Go figure. I've experienced this as well with Office 2016 under Win 7. Wow, Excel 2016 is slow as molasses. From jbartow at winhaven.net Wed Aug 3 18:05:44 2016 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 18:05:44 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Flash and Flicker In-Reply-To: <005f01d1ecd3$3f9307b0$beb91710$@bchacc.com> References: <005f01d1ecd3$3f9307b0$beb91710$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: <01bf01d1eddb$905fe740$b11fb5c0$@winhaven.net> Try setting the screen resolution to 640x480. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 10:34 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Off Topic' Subject: [AccessD] Flash and Flicker Dear Lists: I am developing in Access 2010 now - just oved from 2003 (about time, no?). In design view, however, I am getting flashing or flicker in several places the most obvious is moving from one property to another on the property sheet. But using the Navigation Pane I get it as well when scrolling and when I stop scrolling the focus shifts and I have to scroll some more to get to the object I need to open. I can't find any reference to this problem on the internets - plenty on flickering in form view, but I can find nothing about this problem in design view. Has anyone seen this problem? TIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 760-683-5777 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Aug 3 18:19:15 2016 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 16:19:15 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Flash and Flicker In-Reply-To: <01bf01d1eddb$905fe740$b11fb5c0$@winhaven.net> References: <005f01d1ecd3$3f9307b0$beb91710$@bchacc.com> <01bf01d1eddb$905fe740$b11fb5c0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <004301d1eddd$73d02070$5b706150$@bchacc.com> My display only goes to 800 x 600 but no difference there. r -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 4:06 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Flash and Flicker Importance: High Try setting the screen resolution to 640x480. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 10:34 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Off Topic' Subject: [AccessD] Flash and Flicker Dear Lists: I am developing in Access 2010 now - just oved from 2003 (about time, no?). In design view, however, I am getting flashing or flicker in several places the most obvious is moving from one property to another on the property sheet. But using the Navigation Pane I get it as well when scrolling and when I stop scrolling the focus shifts and I have to scroll some more to get to the object I need to open. I can't find any reference to this problem on the internets - plenty on flickering in form view, but I can find nothing about this problem in design view. Has anyone seen this problem? TIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 760-683-5777 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Aug 3 21:21:25 2016 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 20:21:25 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [AccessD] Flash and Flicker In-Reply-To: <007201d1ecd6$7592b380$60b81a80$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: <1796594955.46190649.1470277284997.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> It doesn't do much for you now but your problem is definitely a video driver problem. I suspect you have already looking into upgrading your video driver to the latest version. The problem has been already noted in the bug lists of both Microsoft and even Ubuntu Linux so I would suspect a solution will be coming down the pipe in a couple of months. Doesn't help you now but... Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 8:56:40 AM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Flash and Flicker Machine's got lots of memory - 8GB with only 27% being used. Maybe there's an updated driver for my video card? But this problem is only (AFAICT so far) in access design view. R -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 8:43 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Off Topic' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Flash and Flicker New one on me, Rocky. Sounds like a display driver issue perhaps? Or memory. Lambert? -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 11:34 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Off Topic' Subject: [AccessD] Flash and Flicker Dear Lists: I am developing in Access 2010 now - just oved from 2003 (about time, no?). In design view, however, I am getting flashing or flicker in several places the most obvious is moving from one property to another on the property sheet. But using the Navigation Pane I get it as well when scrolling and when I stop scrolling the focus shifts and I have to scroll some more to get to the object I need to open. I can't find any reference to this problem on the internets - plenty on flickering in form view, but I can find nothing about this problem in design view. Has anyone seen this problem? TIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 760-683-5777 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 23:26:04 2016 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 21:26:04 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Flash and Flicker In-Reply-To: <1796594955.46190649.1470277284997.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> References: <007201d1ecd6$7592b380$60b81a80$@bchacc.com> <1796594955.46190649.1470277284997.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Message-ID: I'm working in Access 2013 on a Win10 laptop right now and on the top of the database window view there is a 1/4"-3/8" strip going across that is kind of a flicker, kind of a snow (like a off air tv channel). Is that what you are experiencing? On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > It doesn't do much for you now but your problem is definitely a video > driver problem. I suspect you have already looking into upgrading your > video driver to the latest version. The problem has been already noted in > the bug lists of both Microsoft and even Ubuntu Linux so I would suspect a > solution will be coming down the pipe in a couple of months. Doesn't help > you now but... > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rocky Smolin" > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 8:56:40 AM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Flash and Flicker > > Machine's got lots of memory - 8GB with only 27% being used. Maybe there's > an updated driver for my video card? But this problem is only (AFAICT so > far) in access design view. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Heenan, Lambert > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 8:43 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Off Topic' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Flash and Flicker > > New one on me, Rocky. > > Sounds like a display driver issue perhaps? Or memory. > > Lambert > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Rocky Smolin > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 11:34 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Off Topic' > Subject: [AccessD] Flash and Flicker > > Dear Lists: > > > > I am developing in Access 2010 now - just oved from 2003 (about time, no?). > > > > In design view, however, I am getting flashing or flicker in several places > the most obvious is moving from one property to another on the property > sheet. But using the Navigation Pane I get it as well when scrolling and > when I stop scrolling the focus shifts and I have to scroll some more to > get > to the object I need to open. > > > > I can't find any reference to this problem on the internets - plenty on > flickering in form view, but I can find nothing about this problem in > design > view. > > > > Has anyone seen this problem? > > > > TIA > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 760-683-5777 > > www.bchacc.com > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jbartow at winhaven.net Thu Aug 4 00:23:15 2016 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 00:23:15 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Flash and Flicker In-Reply-To: <004301d1eddd$73d02070$5b706150$@bchacc.com> References: <005f01d1ecd3$3f9307b0$beb91710$@bchacc.com> <01bf01d1eddb$905fe740$b11fb5c0$@winhaven.net> <004301d1eddd$73d02070$5b706150$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: <003001d1ee10$4d9e1c30$e8da5490$@winhaven.net> Yea, it has to be 640x480. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 6:19 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Flash and Flicker My display only goes to 800 x 600 but no difference there. r -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 4:06 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Flash and Flicker Importance: High Try setting the screen resolution to 640x480. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 10:34 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Off Topic' Subject: [AccessD] Flash and Flicker Dear Lists: I am developing in Access 2010 now - just oved from 2003 (about time, no?). In design view, however, I am getting flashing or flicker in several places the most obvious is moving from one property to another on the property sheet. But using the Navigation Pane I get it as well when scrolling and when I stop scrolling the focus shifts and I have to scroll some more to get to the object I need to open. I can't find any reference to this problem on the internets - plenty on flickering in form view, but I can find nothing about this problem in design view. Has anyone seen this problem? TIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 760-683-5777 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at gmail.com Tue Aug 9 08:59:52 2016 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 09:59:52 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Chrome tab memory usage Message-ID: <46251396-da56-6f17-b20a-69dc791e57b7@gmail.com> There was a conversation the other day about how much memory Chrome uses with a bunch of tabs open. Look at this: http://www.zdnet.com/pictures/free-must-have-google-chrome-extensions/28/ -- John W. Colby From marksimms at verizon.net Tue Aug 9 11:58:25 2016 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2016 12:58:25 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Chrome tab memory usage In-Reply-To: <46251396-da56-6f17-b20a-69dc791e57b7@gmail.com> References: <46251396-da56-6f17-b20a-69dc791e57b7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <047501d1f25f$3f31fab0$bd95f010$@net> While on this subject, I must close Firefox DAILY via TaskManager because it takes over 50% of the CPU capacity when more than 30 tabs are open. > There was a conversation the other day about how much memory Chrome > uses > with a bunch of tabs open. Look at this: > From jwcolby at gmail.com Sat Aug 13 21:47:00 2016 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 22:47:00 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Dell 5348 SSD upgrade Message-ID: <43ed6c35-097a-7caa-653d-ca7e0c857806@gmail.com> I just upgraded my Dell 5348 "All-in-one" from a 5400 RPM 1 tb drive to a SanDisk X400 2.5" 512GB SATA III TLC Internal Solid State Drive. I timed the time from power on to login screen. With the 5400 rpm disk it took TWO DAMNED MINUTES (!!!!!) to get to the login screen. With the SSD it took 15 seconds. With the hard disk it took 45 more seconds to get from login screen to the desktop with all the desktop icons loaded. With the SSD it took an additional 3 seconds. 2:45 from turn on to desktop ready (plus time to type in the password) for the hard disk 0:18 total from turn on to desktop ready (plus time to type in the password) for the SSD. And this is a puny little 2 core Core3 (4 logical) at 3:3 ghz. Suddenly it is a snappy little machine. What a difference an SSD makes. :) -- John W. Colby From bensonforums at gmail.com Sat Aug 13 21:59:44 2016 From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 22:59:44 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Dell 5348 SSD upgrade In-Reply-To: <43ed6c35-097a-7caa-653d-ca7e0c857806@gmail.com> References: <43ed6c35-097a-7caa-653d-ca7e0c857806@gmail.com> Message-ID: I discovered this about 2 years back. SSDs are expensive and I have heard that they can develop defects from excessive read - writes but I have not experienced any trouble in 3 years ownership. Other than accidentally keeping Google drive installed and running when I uploaded a bunch of stuff from other PCs and it maxed out my drive to the last bit of space and I couldn't work with it any more. Had to decide at that point how to save my drive, deleted stuff before uninstalling Drive, and wiped out my cloud storage. I think I got some stuff back, can't recall. I really should learn to read documentation. No wait, this is Google I'm kidding myself, they document nothing in any useful way, they just release stuff and expect you to figure it out. On Aug 13, 2016 10:48 PM, "John Colby" wrote: > I just upgraded my Dell 5348 "All-in-one" from a 5400 RPM 1 tb drive to a > SanDisk X400 2.5" 512GB SATA III TLC Internal Solid State Drive. > > I timed the time from power on to login screen. > > With the 5400 rpm disk it took TWO DAMNED MINUTES (!!!!!) to get to the > login screen. > > With the SSD it took 15 seconds. > > With the hard disk it took 45 more seconds to get from login screen to the > desktop with all the desktop icons loaded. > > With the SSD it took an additional 3 seconds. > > 2:45 from turn on to desktop ready (plus time to type in the password) for > the hard disk > > 0:18 total from turn on to desktop ready (plus time to type in the > password) for the SSD. > > And this is a puny little 2 core Core3 (4 logical) at 3:3 ghz. Suddenly it > is a snappy little machine. > > What a difference an SSD makes. :) > > -- > > John W. Colby > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From bensonforums at gmail.com Sat Aug 13 22:02:29 2016 From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 23:02:29 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Dell 5348 SSD upgrade In-Reply-To: References: <43ed6c35-097a-7caa-653d-ca7e0c857806@gmail.com> Message-ID: Er, typo.... 2 years ownership. I am sure you figured that out but didn't want to leave any confusion. Don't even know if SSDs have been around 3 years, I am sure I would not have dropped the dough when they first came out, they were pretty darned pricey for 500GB, just 2 years ago. On Aug 13, 2016 10:59 PM, "Bill Benson" wrote: I discovered this about 2 years back. SSDs are expensive and I have heard that they can develop defects from excessive read - writes but I have not experienced any trouble in 3 years ownership. Other than accidentally keeping Google drive installed and running when I uploaded a bunch of stuff from other PCs and it maxed out my drive to the last bit of space and I couldn't work with it any more. Had to decide at that point how to save my drive, deleted stuff before uninstalling Drive, and wiped out my cloud storage. I think I got some stuff back, can't recall. I really should learn to read documentation. No wait, this is Google I'm kidding myself, they document nothing in any useful way, they just release stuff and expect you to figure it out. On Aug 13, 2016 10:48 PM, "John Colby" wrote: > I just upgraded my Dell 5348 "All-in-one" from a 5400 RPM 1 tb drive to a > SanDisk X400 2.5" 512GB SATA III TLC Internal Solid State Drive. > > I timed the time from power on to login screen. > > With the 5400 rpm disk it took TWO DAMNED MINUTES (!!!!!) to get to the > login screen. > > With the SSD it took 15 seconds. > > With the hard disk it took 45 more seconds to get from login screen to the > desktop with all the desktop icons loaded. > > With the SSD it took an additional 3 seconds. > > 2:45 from turn on to desktop ready (plus time to type in the password) for > the hard disk > > 0:18 total from turn on to desktop ready (plus time to type in the > password) for the SSD. > > And this is a puny little 2 core Core3 (4 logical) at 3:3 ghz. Suddenly it > is a snappy little machine. > > What a difference an SSD makes. :) > > -- > > John W. Colby > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at gmail.com Sat Aug 13 22:11:42 2016 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 23:11:42 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Dell 5348 SSD upgrade In-Reply-To: References: <43ed6c35-097a-7caa-653d-ca7e0c857806@gmail.com> Message-ID: <160b9274-6f0e-b7d7-9fe3-319078abe4a1@gmail.com> SSDs are much cheaper these days. This specific drive was $140. Not bad for 512 gb of SSD goodness. And it is a pretty darned fast SSD on top of that. Maybe faster than my little Core3 could really make use of. The thought did enter my mind, is it worth spending $25-$40 more for the absolute best (Samsung)? The answer is probably not. The incremental gain is likely not even detectable, at least with my processor and what I use the machine for. I am jazzed by the actual difference in performance. On 8/13/2016 10:59 PM, Bill Benson wrote: > I discovered this about 2 years back. SSDs are expensive and I have heard > that they can develop defects from excessive read - writes but I have not > experienced any trouble in 3 years ownership. Other than accidentally > keeping Google drive installed and running when I uploaded a bunch of stuff > from other PCs and it maxed out my drive to the last bit of space and I > couldn't work with it any more. Had to decide at that point how to save my > drive, deleted stuff before uninstalling Drive, and wiped out my cloud > storage. I think I got some stuff back, can't recall. > > I really should learn to read documentation. No wait, this is Google I'm > kidding myself, they document nothing in any useful way, they just release > stuff and expect you to figure it out. > > On Aug 13, 2016 10:48 PM, "John Colby" wrote: > >> I just upgraded my Dell 5348 "All-in-one" from a 5400 RPM 1 tb drive to a >> SanDisk X400 2.5" 512GB SATA III TLC Internal Solid State Drive. >> >> I timed the time from power on to login screen. >> >> With the 5400 rpm disk it took TWO DAMNED MINUTES (!!!!!) to get to the >> login screen. >> >> With the SSD it took 15 seconds. >> >> With the hard disk it took 45 more seconds to get from login screen to the >> desktop with all the desktop icons loaded. >> >> With the SSD it took an additional 3 seconds. >> >> 2:45 from turn on to desktop ready (plus time to type in the password) for >> the hard disk >> >> 0:18 total from turn on to desktop ready (plus time to type in the >> password) for the SSD. >> >> And this is a puny little 2 core Core3 (4 logical) at 3:3 ghz. Suddenly it >> is a snappy little machine. >> >> What a difference an SSD makes. :) >> >> -- >> >> John W. Colby >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> -- John W. Colby From aclawhon at hiwaay.net Sat Aug 13 23:48:33 2016 From: aclawhon at hiwaay.net (aclawhon at hiwaay.net) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 23:48:33 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Dell 5348 SSD upgrade In-Reply-To: <43ed6c35-097a-7caa-653d-ca7e0c857806@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20160813234833.Horde.D5SG30Mr2EiKBTHqatS1wHN@webmail.hiwaay.net> John: Are OEM manufacturers phasing out traditional spinning hard disk drives in favor of SSDs - or are they offering SSDs as an "option" if you don't mind paying the extra cost? How long do you think it will be before spinning drives are totally replaced in favor of SSDs? I'm thinking about buying a new laptop sometime in the next two years. Rather than going with Windows, I'm seriously considering a machine with a Linux distribution pre-installed. There are several [smallish] companies specializing in preconfigured Linux boxes. I'm reading up on (and getting "smart") on Linux, so by the time I'm ready to buy I should know enough to be able to keep my head above water. With Windows 10 becoming increasingly obtrusive, I have a feeling Linux [desktop] systems will grow in popularity. I know the Linux and open source folks have been predicting this for the last 20 years, but I think it's really going to happen. I sense that people are gradually getting fed up with Windows. (I certainly am ...) Besides, it will be fun getting back to doing things from the command line. (Ha! Ha!) No-Longer-In-Love-With-Windows Alan of Huntsville Quoting John Colby : > I just upgraded my Dell 5348 "All-in-one" from a 5400 RPM 1 tb drive > to a SanDisk X400 2.5" 512GB SATA III TLC Internal Solid State Drive. > > I timed the time from power on to login screen. > > With the 5400 rpm disk it took TWO DAMNED MINUTES (!!!!!) to get to > the login screen. > > With the SSD it took 15 seconds. > > With the hard disk it took 45 more seconds to get from login screen > to the desktop with all the desktop icons loaded. > > With the SSD it took an additional 3 seconds. > > 2:45 from turn on to desktop ready (plus time to type in the > password) for the hard disk > > 0:18 total from turn on to desktop ready (plus time to type in the > password) for the SSD. > > And this is a puny little 2 core Core3 (4 logical) at 3:3 ghz. > Suddenly it is a snappy little machine. > > What a difference an SSD makes. :) > > -- > > John W. Colby > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Aug 14 00:11:00 2016 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 23:11:00 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [AccessD] Dell 5348 SSD upgrade In-Reply-To: <20160813234833.Horde.D5SG30Mr2EiKBTHqatS1wHN@webmail.hiwaay.net> Message-ID: <993334669.53898210.1471151460052.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Ataboy Alan. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: aclawhon at hiwaay.net To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 9:48:33 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dell 5348 SSD upgrade John: Are OEM manufacturers phasing out traditional spinning hard disk drives in favor of SSDs - or are they offering SSDs as an "option" if you don't mind paying the extra cost? How long do you think it will be before spinning drives are totally replaced in favor of SSDs? I'm thinking about buying a new laptop sometime in the next two years. Rather than going with Windows, I'm seriously considering a machine with a Linux distribution pre-installed. There are several [smallish] companies specializing in preconfigured Linux boxes. I'm reading up on (and getting "smart") on Linux, so by the time I'm ready to buy I should know enough to be able to keep my head above water. With Windows 10 becoming increasingly obtrusive, I have a feeling Linux [desktop] systems will grow in popularity. I know the Linux and open source folks have been predicting this for the last 20 years, but I think it's really going to happen. I sense that people are gradually getting fed up with Windows. (I certainly am ...) Besides, it will be fun getting back to doing things from the command line. (Ha! Ha!) No-Longer-In-Love-With-Windows Alan of Huntsville Quoting John Colby : > I just upgraded my Dell 5348 "All-in-one" from a 5400 RPM 1 tb drive > to a SanDisk X400 2.5" 512GB SATA III TLC Internal Solid State Drive. > > I timed the time from power on to login screen. > > With the 5400 rpm disk it took TWO DAMNED MINUTES (!!!!!) to get to > the login screen. > > With the SSD it took 15 seconds. > > With the hard disk it took 45 more seconds to get from login screen > to the desktop with all the desktop icons loaded. > > With the SSD it took an additional 3 seconds. > > 2:45 from turn on to desktop ready (plus time to type in the > password) for the hard disk > > 0:18 total from turn on to desktop ready (plus time to type in the > password) for the SSD. > > And this is a puny little 2 core Core3 (4 logical) at 3:3 ghz. > Suddenly it is a snappy little machine. > > What a difference an SSD makes. :) > > -- > > John W. Colby > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Aug 14 00:11:27 2016 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 22:11:27 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Dell 5348 SSD upgrade In-Reply-To: <160b9274-6f0e-b7d7-9fe3-319078abe4a1@gmail.com> References: <43ed6c35-097a-7caa-653d-ca7e0c857806@gmail.com> <160b9274-6f0e-b7d7-9fe3-319078abe4a1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <021a01d1f5ea$504de690$f0e9b3b0$@bchacc.com> Did the same upgrade 2 years ago. Same kind of boost in speed. Like going to dual monitors - you can never go back. How long will it be before rotating storage - like VHS tapes - pretty much disappears? r -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 8:12 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; jwcolby at gmail.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dell 5348 SSD upgrade SSDs are much cheaper these days. This specific drive was $140. Not bad for 512 gb of SSD goodness. And it is a pretty darned fast SSD on top of that. Maybe faster than my little Core3 could really make use of. The thought did enter my mind, is it worth spending $25-$40 more for the absolute best (Samsung)? The answer is probably not. The incremental gain is likely not even detectable, at least with my processor and what I use the machine for. I am jazzed by the actual difference in performance. On 8/13/2016 10:59 PM, Bill Benson wrote: > I discovered this about 2 years back. SSDs are expensive and I have > heard that they can develop defects from excessive read - writes but I > have not experienced any trouble in 3 years ownership. Other than > accidentally keeping Google drive installed and running when I > uploaded a bunch of stuff from other PCs and it maxed out my drive to > the last bit of space and I couldn't work with it any more. Had to > decide at that point how to save my drive, deleted stuff before > uninstalling Drive, and wiped out my cloud storage. I think I got some stuff back, can't recall. > > I really should learn to read documentation. No wait, this is Google > I'm kidding myself, they document nothing in any useful way, they just > release stuff and expect you to figure it out. > > On Aug 13, 2016 10:48 PM, "John Colby" wrote: > >> I just upgraded my Dell 5348 "All-in-one" from a 5400 RPM 1 tb drive >> to a SanDisk X400 2.5" 512GB SATA III TLC Internal Solid State Drive. >> >> I timed the time from power on to login screen. >> >> With the 5400 rpm disk it took TWO DAMNED MINUTES (!!!!!) to get to >> the login screen. >> >> With the SSD it took 15 seconds. >> >> With the hard disk it took 45 more seconds to get from login screen >> to the desktop with all the desktop icons loaded. >> >> With the SSD it took an additional 3 seconds. >> >> 2:45 from turn on to desktop ready (plus time to type in the >> password) for the hard disk >> >> 0:18 total from turn on to desktop ready (plus time to type in the >> password) for the SSD. >> >> And this is a puny little 2 core Core3 (4 logical) at 3:3 ghz. >> Suddenly it is a snappy little machine. >> >> What a difference an SSD makes. :) >> >> -- >> >> John W. Colby >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> -- John W. Colby -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Aug 14 00:13:49 2016 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 23:13:49 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [AccessD] Dell 5348 SSD upgrade In-Reply-To: <021a01d1f5ea$504de690$f0e9b3b0$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: <289450322.53899226.1471151629781.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Five years tops....? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 10:11:27 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dell 5348 SSD upgrade Did the same upgrade 2 years ago. Same kind of boost in speed. Like going to dual monitors - you can never go back. How long will it be before rotating storage - like VHS tapes - pretty much disappears? r -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 8:12 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; jwcolby at gmail.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dell 5348 SSD upgrade SSDs are much cheaper these days. This specific drive was $140. Not bad for 512 gb of SSD goodness. And it is a pretty darned fast SSD on top of that. Maybe faster than my little Core3 could really make use of. The thought did enter my mind, is it worth spending $25-$40 more for the absolute best (Samsung)? The answer is probably not. The incremental gain is likely not even detectable, at least with my processor and what I use the machine for. I am jazzed by the actual difference in performance. On 8/13/2016 10:59 PM, Bill Benson wrote: > I discovered this about 2 years back. SSDs are expensive and I have > heard that they can develop defects from excessive read - writes but I > have not experienced any trouble in 3 years ownership. Other than > accidentally keeping Google drive installed and running when I > uploaded a bunch of stuff from other PCs and it maxed out my drive to > the last bit of space and I couldn't work with it any more. Had to > decide at that point how to save my drive, deleted stuff before > uninstalling Drive, and wiped out my cloud storage. I think I got some stuff back, can't recall. > > I really should learn to read documentation. No wait, this is Google > I'm kidding myself, they document nothing in any useful way, they just > release stuff and expect you to figure it out. > > On Aug 13, 2016 10:48 PM, "John Colby" wrote: > >> I just upgraded my Dell 5348 "All-in-one" from a 5400 RPM 1 tb drive >> to a SanDisk X400 2.5" 512GB SATA III TLC Internal Solid State Drive. >> >> I timed the time from power on to login screen. >> >> With the 5400 rpm disk it took TWO DAMNED MINUTES (!!!!!) to get to >> the login screen. >> >> With the SSD it took 15 seconds. >> >> With the hard disk it took 45 more seconds to get from login screen >> to the desktop with all the desktop icons loaded. >> >> With the SSD it took an additional 3 seconds. >> >> 2:45 from turn on to desktop ready (plus time to type in the >> password) for the hard disk >> >> 0:18 total from turn on to desktop ready (plus time to type in the >> password) for the SSD. >> >> And this is a puny little 2 core Core3 (4 logical) at 3:3 ghz. >> Suddenly it is a snappy little machine. >> >> What a difference an SSD makes. :) >> >> -- >> >> John W. Colby >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> -- John W. Colby -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Aug 14 01:02:59 2016 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 23:02:59 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Dell 5348 SSD upgrade In-Reply-To: <289450322.53899226.1471151629781.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> References: <021a01d1f5ea$504de690$f0e9b3b0$@bchacc.com> <289450322.53899226.1471151629781.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <023001d1f5f1$832812a0$897837e0$@bchacc.com> Happening pretty fast - so maybe 5 years. USB drives, downloaded and streaming content have replaced CDs as software distribution media so the CD/DVD drive may be going the same way soon. r -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 10:14 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dell 5348 SSD upgrade Five years tops....? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 10:11:27 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dell 5348 SSD upgrade Did the same upgrade 2 years ago. Same kind of boost in speed. Like going to dual monitors - you can never go back. How long will it be before rotating storage - like VHS tapes - pretty much disappears? r -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 8:12 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; jwcolby at gmail.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dell 5348 SSD upgrade SSDs are much cheaper these days. This specific drive was $140. Not bad for 512 gb of SSD goodness. And it is a pretty darned fast SSD on top of that. Maybe faster than my little Core3 could really make use of. The thought did enter my mind, is it worth spending $25-$40 more for the absolute best (Samsung)? The answer is probably not. The incremental gain is likely not even detectable, at least with my processor and what I use the machine for. I am jazzed by the actual difference in performance. On 8/13/2016 10:59 PM, Bill Benson wrote: > I discovered this about 2 years back. SSDs are expensive and I have > heard that they can develop defects from excessive read - writes but I > have not experienced any trouble in 3 years ownership. Other than > accidentally keeping Google drive installed and running when I > uploaded a bunch of stuff from other PCs and it maxed out my drive to > the last bit of space and I couldn't work with it any more. Had to > decide at that point how to save my drive, deleted stuff before > uninstalling Drive, and wiped out my cloud storage. I think I got some stuff back, can't recall. > > I really should learn to read documentation. No wait, this is Google > I'm kidding myself, they document nothing in any useful way, they just > release stuff and expect you to figure it out. > > On Aug 13, 2016 10:48 PM, "John Colby" wrote: > >> I just upgraded my Dell 5348 "All-in-one" from a 5400 RPM 1 tb drive >> to a SanDisk X400 2.5" 512GB SATA III TLC Internal Solid State Drive. >> >> I timed the time from power on to login screen. >> >> With the 5400 rpm disk it took TWO DAMNED MINUTES (!!!!!) to get to >> the login screen. >> >> With the SSD it took 15 seconds. >> >> With the hard disk it took 45 more seconds to get from login screen >> to the desktop with all the desktop icons loaded. >> >> With the SSD it took an additional 3 seconds. >> >> 2:45 from turn on to desktop ready (plus time to type in the >> password) for the hard disk >> >> 0:18 total from turn on to desktop ready (plus time to type in the >> password) for the SSD. >> >> And this is a puny little 2 core Core3 (4 logical) at 3:3 ghz. >> Suddenly it is a snappy little machine. >> >> What a difference an SSD makes. :) >> >> -- >> >> John W. Colby >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> -- John W. Colby -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Sun Aug 14 05:04:57 2016 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 06:04:57 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Dell 5348 SSD upgrade In-Reply-To: <43ed6c35-097a-7caa-653d-ca7e0c857806@gmail.com> References: <43ed6c35-097a-7caa-653d-ca7e0c857806@gmail.com> Message-ID: <87905253C3B34928990E08DBC627C527@XPS> John, This belongs on the dba-Tech or dba-OT list, or at the very least, get marked off-topic. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 10:47 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; jwcolby at gmail.com Subject: [AccessD] Dell 5348 SSD upgrade I just upgraded my Dell 5348 "All-in-one" from a 5400 RPM 1 tb drive to a SanDisk X400 2.5" 512GB SATA III TLC Internal Solid State Drive. I timed the time from power on to login screen. With the 5400 rpm disk it took TWO DAMNED MINUTES (!!!!!) to get to the login screen. With the SSD it took 15 seconds. With the hard disk it took 45 more seconds to get from login screen to the desktop with all the desktop icons loaded. With the SSD it took an additional 3 seconds. 2:45 from turn on to desktop ready (plus time to type in the password) for the hard disk 0:18 total from turn on to desktop ready (plus time to type in the password) for the SSD. And this is a puny little 2 core Core3 (4 logical) at 3:3 ghz. Suddenly it is a snappy little machine. What a difference an SSD makes. :) -- John W. Colby -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Aug 14 08:26:44 2016 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 14:26:44 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Dell 5348 SSD upgrade In-Reply-To: <289450322.53899226.1471151629781.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> References: <021a01d1f5ea$504de690$f0e9b3b0$@bchacc.com> <289450322.53899226.1471151629781.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Message-ID: Have a look at the latest microSD's 256GB? And 10 times faster than 4 years ago. But then consider that rotating hard drive process are pretty much the same per GB as cheap DVD's And - their manufacturing costs, shipping costs, as well as the annual power usage costs. Add to that, that modern SSD's tend to last longer now, and when they fail, they often do so with some warning. Me, I've been looking for a SSD card sized carrier that will run 4, or more microSD chips as separate storage I did see some that used 4 microSD's as a raid 5? assembly. But I want to be able to move the MicroSD's to another carrier and access the data there after 1 chip? Fails on the original assembly. So, 5 years seems about right - 25% less cost for 25% more capacity a year on rotating. 25% less cost for 50 to 100% more capacity a year on MicroSD and probably SSD's. Phone users will probably be taking the brunt of the cost in that development. JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 6:14 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dell 5348 SSD upgrade Five years tops....? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 10:11:27 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dell 5348 SSD upgrade Did the same upgrade 2 years ago. Same kind of boost in speed. Like going to dual monitors - you can never go back. How long will it be before rotating storage - like VHS tapes - pretty much disappears? r -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 8:12 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; jwcolby at gmail.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dell 5348 SSD upgrade SSDs are much cheaper these days. This specific drive was $140. Not bad for 512 gb of SSD goodness. And it is a pretty darned fast SSD on top of that. Maybe faster than my little Core3 could really make use of. The thought did enter my mind, is it worth spending $25-$40 more for the absolute best (Samsung)? The answer is probably not. The incremental gain is likely not even detectable, at least with my processor and what I use the machine for. I am jazzed by the actual difference in performance. On 8/13/2016 10:59 PM, Bill Benson wrote: > I discovered this about 2 years back. SSDs are expensive and I have > heard that they can develop defects from excessive read - writes but I > have not experienced any trouble in 3 years ownership. Other than > accidentally keeping Google drive installed and running when I > uploaded a bunch of stuff from other PCs and it maxed out my drive to > the last bit of space and I couldn't work with it any more. Had to > decide at that point how to save my drive, deleted stuff before > uninstalling Drive, and wiped out my cloud storage. I think I got some stuff back, can't recall. > > I really should learn to read documentation. No wait, this is Google > I'm kidding myself, they document nothing in any useful way, they just > release stuff and expect you to figure it out. > > On Aug 13, 2016 10:48 PM, "John Colby" wrote: > >> I just upgraded my Dell 5348 "All-in-one" from a 5400 RPM 1 tb drive >> to a SanDisk X400 2.5" 512GB SATA III TLC Internal Solid State Drive. >> >> I timed the time from power on to login screen. >> >> With the 5400 rpm disk it took TWO DAMNED MINUTES (!!!!!) to get to >> the login screen. >> >> With the SSD it took 15 seconds. >> >> With the hard disk it took 45 more seconds to get from login screen >> to the desktop with all the desktop icons loaded. >> >> With the SSD it took an additional 3 seconds. >> >> 2:45 from turn on to desktop ready (plus time to type in the >> password) for the hard disk >> >> 0:18 total from turn on to desktop ready (plus time to type in the >> password) for the SSD. >> >> And this is a puny little 2 core Core3 (4 logical) at 3:3 ghz. >> Suddenly it is a snappy little machine. >> >> What a difference an SSD makes. :) >> >> -- >> >> John W. Colby >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> -- John W. Colby -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Aug 15 16:26:37 2016 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 15:26:37 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [AccessD] Dell 5348 SSD upgrade In-Reply-To: <43ed6c35-097a-7caa-653d-ca7e0c857806@gmail.com> Message-ID: <135102460.54956786.1471296397678.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> "...What a difference an SSD makes. :)" Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Colby" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" , jwcolby at gmail.com Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 7:47:00 PM Subject: [AccessD] Dell 5348 SSD upgrade I just upgraded my Dell 5348 "All-in-one" from a 5400 RPM 1 tb drive to a SanDisk X400 2.5" 512GB SATA III TLC Internal Solid State Drive. I timed the time from power on to login screen. With the 5400 rpm disk it took TWO DAMNED MINUTES (!!!!!) to get to the login screen. With the SSD it took 15 seconds. With the hard disk it took 45 more seconds to get from login screen to the desktop with all the desktop icons loaded. With the SSD it took an additional 3 seconds. 2:45 from turn on to desktop ready (plus time to type in the password) for the hard disk 0:18 total from turn on to desktop ready (plus time to type in the password) for the SSD. And this is a puny little 2 core Core3 (4 logical) at 3:3 ghz. Suddenly it is a snappy little machine. What a difference an SSD makes. :) -- John W. Colby -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Aug 15 18:19:25 2016 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 17:19:25 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [AccessD] Dell 5348 SSD upgrade In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1351865424.55039107.1471303165345.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> A TB SSD with a price tag equivalent to our current spinning rust would make a fabulous small DB server. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Button" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 6:26:44 AM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dell 5348 SSD upgrade Have a look at the latest microSD's 256GB? And 10 times faster than 4 years ago. But then consider that rotating hard drive process are pretty much the same per GB as cheap DVD's And - their manufacturing costs, shipping costs, as well as the annual power usage costs. Add to that, that modern SSD's tend to last longer now, and when they fail, they often do so with some warning. Me, I've been looking for a SSD card sized carrier that will run 4, or more microSD chips as separate storage I did see some that used 4 microSD's as a raid 5? assembly. But I want to be able to move the MicroSD's to another carrier and access the data there after 1 chip? Fails on the original assembly. So, 5 years seems about right - 25% less cost for 25% more capacity a year on rotating. 25% less cost for 50 to 100% more capacity a year on MicroSD and probably SSD's. Phone users will probably be taking the brunt of the cost in that development. JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 6:14 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dell 5348 SSD upgrade Five years tops....? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 10:11:27 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dell 5348 SSD upgrade Did the same upgrade 2 years ago. Same kind of boost in speed. Like going to dual monitors - you can never go back. How long will it be before rotating storage - like VHS tapes - pretty much disappears? r -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 8:12 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; jwcolby at gmail.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dell 5348 SSD upgrade SSDs are much cheaper these days. This specific drive was $140. Not bad for 512 gb of SSD goodness. And it is a pretty darned fast SSD on top of that. Maybe faster than my little Core3 could really make use of. The thought did enter my mind, is it worth spending $25-$40 more for the absolute best (Samsung)? The answer is probably not. The incremental gain is likely not even detectable, at least with my processor and what I use the machine for. I am jazzed by the actual difference in performance. On 8/13/2016 10:59 PM, Bill Benson wrote: > I discovered this about 2 years back. SSDs are expensive and I have > heard that they can develop defects from excessive read - writes but I > have not experienced any trouble in 3 years ownership. Other than > accidentally keeping Google drive installed and running when I > uploaded a bunch of stuff from other PCs and it maxed out my drive to > the last bit of space and I couldn't work with it any more. Had to > decide at that point how to save my drive, deleted stuff before > uninstalling Drive, and wiped out my cloud storage. I think I got some stuff back, can't recall. > > I really should learn to read documentation. No wait, this is Google > I'm kidding myself, they document nothing in any useful way, they just > release stuff and expect you to figure it out. > > On Aug 13, 2016 10:48 PM, "John Colby" wrote: > >> I just upgraded my Dell 5348 "All-in-one" from a 5400 RPM 1 tb drive >> to a SanDisk X400 2.5" 512GB SATA III TLC Internal Solid State Drive. >> >> I timed the time from power on to login screen. >> >> With the 5400 rpm disk it took TWO DAMNED MINUTES (!!!!!) to get to >> the login screen. >> >> With the SSD it took 15 seconds. >> >> With the hard disk it took 45 more seconds to get from login screen >> to the desktop with all the desktop icons loaded. >> >> With the SSD it took an additional 3 seconds. >> >> 2:45 from turn on to desktop ready (plus time to type in the >> password) for the hard disk >> >> 0:18 total from turn on to desktop ready (plus time to type in the >> password) for the SSD. >> >> And this is a puny little 2 core Core3 (4 logical) at 3:3 ghz. >> Suddenly it is a snappy little machine. >> >> What a difference an SSD makes. :) >> >> -- >> >> John W. Colby >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> -- John W. Colby -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bensonforums at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 20:52:10 2016 From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 21:52:10 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Dell 5348 SSD upgrade In-Reply-To: <1351865424.55039107.1471303165345.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> References: <1351865424.55039107.1471303165345.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Message-ID: What is spinning rust? On Aug 15, 2016 7:20 PM, "Jim Lawrence" wrote: > A TB SSD with a price tag equivalent to our current spinning rust would > make a fabulous small DB server. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Button" > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 6:26:44 AM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dell 5348 SSD upgrade > > Have a look at the latest microSD's 256GB? And 10 times faster than 4 > years > ago. > > But then consider that rotating hard drive process are pretty much the > same per > GB as cheap DVD's > > And - their manufacturing costs, shipping costs, as well as the annual > power > usage costs. > > Add to that, that modern SSD's tend to last longer now, and when they > fail, they > often do so with some warning. > > Me, I've been looking for a SSD card sized carrier that will run 4, or more > microSD chips as separate storage > I did see some that used 4 microSD's as a raid 5? assembly. > But I want to be able to move the MicroSD's to another carrier and access > the > data there after 1 chip? Fails on the original assembly. > > So, 5 years seems about right - > 25% less cost for 25% more capacity a year on rotating. > 25% less cost for 50 to 100% more capacity a year on MicroSD and probably > SSD's. > > Phone users will probably be taking the brunt of the cost in that > development. > > JimB > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Jim > Lawrence > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 6:14 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dell 5348 SSD upgrade > > Five years tops....? > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rocky Smolin" > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 10:11:27 PM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dell 5348 SSD upgrade > > Did the same upgrade 2 years ago. Same kind of boost in speed. Like going > to dual monitors - you can never go back. > > How long will it be before rotating storage - like VHS tapes - pretty much > disappears? > > > r > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > John Colby > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 8:12 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; jwcolby at gmail.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dell 5348 SSD upgrade > > SSDs are much cheaper these days. This specific drive was $140. Not bad > for > 512 gb of SSD goodness. And it is a pretty darned fast SSD on top of that. > Maybe faster than my little Core3 could really make use of. > > The thought did enter my mind, is it worth spending $25-$40 more for the > absolute best (Samsung)? The answer is probably not. The incremental gain > is likely not even detectable, at least with my processor and what I use > the > machine for. > > I am jazzed by the actual difference in performance. > > On 8/13/2016 10:59 PM, Bill Benson wrote: > > I discovered this about 2 years back. SSDs are expensive and I have > > heard that they can develop defects from excessive read - writes but I > > have not experienced any trouble in 3 years ownership. Other than > > accidentally keeping Google drive installed and running when I > > uploaded a bunch of stuff from other PCs and it maxed out my drive to > > the last bit of space and I couldn't work with it any more. Had to > > decide at that point how to save my drive, deleted stuff before > > uninstalling Drive, and wiped out my cloud storage. I think I got some > stuff back, can't recall. > > > > I really should learn to read documentation. No wait, this is Google > > I'm kidding myself, they document nothing in any useful way, they just > > release stuff and expect you to figure it out. > > > > On Aug 13, 2016 10:48 PM, "John Colby" wrote: > > > >> I just upgraded my Dell 5348 "All-in-one" from a 5400 RPM 1 tb drive > >> to a SanDisk X400 2.5" 512GB SATA III TLC Internal Solid State Drive. > >> > >> I timed the time from power on to login screen. > >> > >> With the 5400 rpm disk it took TWO DAMNED MINUTES (!!!!!) to get to > >> the login screen. > >> > >> With the SSD it took 15 seconds. > >> > >> With the hard disk it took 45 more seconds to get from login screen > >> to the desktop with all the desktop icons loaded. > >> > >> With the SSD it took an additional 3 seconds. > >> > >> 2:45 from turn on to desktop ready (plus time to type in the > >> password) for the hard disk > >> > >> 0:18 total from turn on to desktop ready (plus time to type in the > >> password) for the SSD. > >> > >> And this is a puny little 2 core Core3 (4 logical) at 3:3 ghz. > >> Suddenly it is a snappy little machine. > >> > >> What a difference an SSD makes. :) > >> > >> -- > >> > >> John W. Colby > >> > >> -- > >> AccessD mailing list > >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > > -- > John W. Colby > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com Tue Aug 16 08:02:29 2016 From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 13:02:29 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Dell 5348 SSD upgrade In-Reply-To: References: <1351865424.55039107.1471303165345.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Message-ID: Iron Oxide. The basis of the magnetic surface of disks. :-) Lambert? -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Benson Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 9:52 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dell 5348 SSD upgrade What is spinning rust? On Aug 15, 2016 7:20 PM, "Jim Lawrence" wrote: > A TB SSD with a price tag equivalent to our current spinning rust > would make a fabulous small DB server. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Button" > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 6:26:44 AM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dell 5348 SSD upgrade > > Have a look at the latest microSD's 256GB? And 10 times faster than 4 > years ago. > > But then consider that rotating hard drive process are pretty much > the same per GB as cheap DVD's > > And - their manufacturing costs, shipping costs, as well as the > annual power usage costs. > > Add to that, that modern SSD's tend to last longer now, and when they > fail, they often do so with some warning. > > Me, I've been looking for a SSD card sized carrier that will run 4, or > more microSD chips as separate storage I did see some that used 4 > microSD's as a raid 5? assembly. > But I want to be able to move the MicroSD's to another carrier and > access the data there after 1 chip? Fails on the original assembly. > > So, 5 years seems about right - > 25% less cost for 25% more capacity a year on rotating. > 25% less cost for 50 to 100% more capacity a year on MicroSD and > probably SSD's. > > Phone users will probably be taking the brunt of the cost in that > development. > > JimB > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 6:14 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dell 5348 SSD upgrade > > Five years tops....? > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rocky Smolin" > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 10:11:27 PM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dell 5348 SSD upgrade > > Did the same upgrade 2 years ago. Same kind of boost in speed. Like > going to dual monitors - you can never go back. > > How long will it be before rotating storage - like VHS tapes - pretty > much disappears? > > > r > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > Of John Colby > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 8:12 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; > jwcolby at gmail.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dell 5348 SSD upgrade > > SSDs are much cheaper these days. This specific drive was $140. Not > bad for > 512 gb of SSD goodness. And it is a pretty darned fast SSD on top of that. > Maybe faster than my little Core3 could really make use of. > > The thought did enter my mind, is it worth spending $25-$40 more for > the absolute best (Samsung)? The answer is probably not. The > incremental gain is likely not even detectable, at least with my > processor and what I use the machine for. > > I am jazzed by the actual difference in performance. > > On 8/13/2016 10:59 PM, Bill Benson wrote: > > I discovered this about 2 years back. SSDs are expensive and I have > > heard that they can develop defects from excessive read - writes but > > I have not experienced any trouble in 3 years ownership. Other than > > accidentally keeping Google drive installed and running when I > > uploaded a bunch of stuff from other PCs and it maxed out my drive > > to the last bit of space and I couldn't work with it any more. Had > > to decide at that point how to save my drive, deleted stuff before > > uninstalling Drive, and wiped out my cloud storage. I think I got > > some > stuff back, can't recall. > > > > I really should learn to read documentation. No wait, this is Google > > I'm kidding myself, they document nothing in any useful way, they > > just release stuff and expect you to figure it out. > > > > On Aug 13, 2016 10:48 PM, "John Colby" wrote: > > > >> I just upgraded my Dell 5348 "All-in-one" from a 5400 RPM 1 tb > >> drive to a SanDisk X400 2.5" 512GB SATA III TLC Internal Solid State Drive. > >> > >> I timed the time from power on to login screen. > >> > >> With the 5400 rpm disk it took TWO DAMNED MINUTES (!!!!!) to get to > >> the login screen. > >> > >> With the SSD it took 15 seconds. > >> > >> With the hard disk it took 45 more seconds to get from login screen > >> to the desktop with all the desktop icons loaded. > >> > >> With the SSD it took an additional 3 seconds. > >> > >> 2:45 from turn on to desktop ready (plus time to type in the > >> password) for the hard disk > >> > >> 0:18 total from turn on to desktop ready (plus time to type in the > >> password) for the SSD. > >> > >> And this is a puny little 2 core Core3 (4 logical) at 3:3 ghz. > >> Suddenly it is a snappy little machine. > >> > >> What a difference an SSD makes. :) > >> > >> -- > >> > >> John W. Colby > >> > >> -- > >> AccessD mailing list > >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > > -- > John W. Colby > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Aug 25 14:55:34 2016 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 12:55:34 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Excel Automation Question Message-ID: <04de01d1ff0a$a4f858f0$eee90ad0$@bchacc.com> Dear List: I want to open a spreadsheet from Access and am using: Set objXLApp = New Excel.Application objXLApp.Workbooks.Open gstrBackEndPath & "\PO_" & Me.cboPOList.Column(1) & ".xlsx" objXLApp.Visible = True which works just fine. However, when the spreadsheet is closed by the user the instance of Excel remains - I can see it in the Task Manager. If I close the spreadsheet from Access: objXLApp.ActiveWorkbook.Save objXLApp.ActiveWorkbook.Close True objXLApp.Quit Set objXLApp = Nothing Of course, Excel goes away. Is there a technique for closing that instance of access when the user closes a spreadsheet opened by an access program? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 760-683-5777 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin From paul.hartland at googlemail.com Thu Aug 25 15:45:05 2016 From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 21:45:05 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Excel Automation Question In-Reply-To: <04de01d1ff0a$a4f858f0$eee90ad0$@bchacc.com> References: <04de01d1ff0a$a4f858f0$eee90ad0$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: Rocky Just off hand there is some code that checks if an application is open, I haven't got this to hand but sure a google search will find some, when the user returns to the access app could you not run the function to check if an instance of Excel is open and if so then close it from Access, obviously a problem with this is if the user returns to the Access app and still wants the Excel sheet open, but just a thought. Paul On 25 August 2016 at 20:55, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > > > I want to open a spreadsheet from Access and am using: > > > > Set objXLApp = New Excel.Application > > objXLApp.Workbooks.Open gstrBackEndPath & "\PO_" & > Me.cboPOList.Column(1) & ".xlsx" > > objXLApp.Visible = True > > > > which works just fine. However, when the spreadsheet is closed by the user > the instance of Excel remains - I can see it in the Task Manager. > > > > If I close the spreadsheet from Access: > > > > objXLApp.ActiveWorkbook.Save > > objXLApp.ActiveWorkbook.Close True > > objXLApp.Quit > > Set objXLApp = Nothing > > > > Of course, Excel goes away. > > > > Is there a technique for closing that instance of access when the user > closes a spreadsheet opened by an access program? > > > > MTIA > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 760-683-5777 > > www.bchacc.com > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Aug 25 15:56:45 2016 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 13:56:45 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Excel Automation Question In-Reply-To: References: <04de01d1ff0a$a4f858f0$eee90ad0$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: <000901d1ff13$30e4fd70$92aef850$@bchacc.com> Not hard to check if the app is open: Function IsExcelRunning() As Boolean Dim xlApp As Excel.Application On Error Resume Next Set xlApp = GetObject(, "Excel.Application") IsExcelRunning = (Err.Number = 0) Set xlApp = Nothing Err.Clear End Function Returns true/false Problem is I see more and more users who have one or more spreadsheets open all day. So I'd probably better not close just any instance of Excel. :) I wish there was a way to open the spreadsheet 'modal' so the code would stop after the open and when the sheet closed the code would carry on and I could delete the instance of Excel that was opened for the spreadsheet. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hartland Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 1:45 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel Automation Question Rocky Just off hand there is some code that checks if an application is open, I haven't got this to hand but sure a google search will find some, when the user returns to the access app could you not run the function to check if an instance of Excel is open and if so then close it from Access, obviously a problem with this is if the user returns to the Access app and still wants the Excel sheet open, but just a thought. Paul On 25 August 2016 at 20:55, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > > > I want to open a spreadsheet from Access and am using: > > > > Set objXLApp = New Excel.Application > > objXLApp.Workbooks.Open gstrBackEndPath & "\PO_" & > Me.cboPOList.Column(1) & ".xlsx" > > objXLApp.Visible = True > > > > which works just fine. However, when the spreadsheet is closed by the > user the instance of Excel remains - I can see it in the Task Manager. > > > > If I close the spreadsheet from Access: > > > > objXLApp.ActiveWorkbook.Save > > objXLApp.ActiveWorkbook.Close True > > objXLApp.Quit > > Set objXLApp = Nothing > > > > Of course, Excel goes away. > > > > Is there a technique for closing that instance of access when the user > closes a spreadsheet opened by an access program? > > > > MTIA > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 760-683-5777 > > www.bchacc.com > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From paul.hartland at googlemail.com Thu Aug 25 16:09:27 2016 From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 22:09:27 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Excel Automation Question In-Reply-To: <000901d1ff13$30e4fd70$92aef850$@bchacc.com> References: <04de01d1ff0a$a4f858f0$eee90ad0$@bchacc.com> <000901d1ff13$30e4fd70$92aef850$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: Ah that's the function I was on about (or similar anyway), it is a problem though, another way I have thought of, but no idea at present how it would work as not got office on this machine, I am sure there is a way to run an Access sub/function from Excel, so when the user closes the Excel sheet you open through Access it could call an Access function to close that instance of Excel, but of course the problem with that is an workbook you open through Access would have to have to have the calling code in. I am really no use at the moment without access to Office. On 25 August 2016 at 21:56, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Not hard to check if the app is open: > > Function IsExcelRunning() As Boolean > Dim xlApp As Excel.Application > On Error Resume Next > Set xlApp = GetObject(, "Excel.Application") > IsExcelRunning = (Err.Number = 0) > Set xlApp = Nothing > Err.Clear > End Function > > Returns true/false > > > Problem is I see more and more users who have one or more spreadsheets open > all day. So I'd probably better not close just any instance of Excel. :) > > I wish there was a way to open the spreadsheet 'modal' so the code would > stop after the open and when the sheet closed the code would carry on and I > could delete the instance of Excel that was opened for the spreadsheet. > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Paul Hartland > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 1:45 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel Automation Question > > Rocky > > Just off hand there is some code that checks if an application is open, I > haven't got this to hand but sure a google search will find some, when the > user returns to the access app could you not run the function to check if > an > instance of Excel is open and if so then close it from Access, obviously a > problem with this is if the user returns to the Access app and still wants > the Excel sheet open, but just a thought. > > Paul > > On 25 August 2016 at 20:55, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > > Dear List: > > > > > > > > I want to open a spreadsheet from Access and am using: > > > > > > > > Set objXLApp = New Excel.Application > > > > objXLApp.Workbooks.Open gstrBackEndPath & "\PO_" & > > Me.cboPOList.Column(1) & ".xlsx" > > > > objXLApp.Visible = True > > > > > > > > which works just fine. However, when the spreadsheet is closed by the > > user the instance of Excel remains - I can see it in the Task Manager. > > > > > > > > If I close the spreadsheet from Access: > > > > > > > > objXLApp.ActiveWorkbook.Save > > > > objXLApp.ActiveWorkbook.Close True > > > > objXLApp.Quit > > > > Set objXLApp = Nothing > > > > > > > > Of course, Excel goes away. > > > > > > > > Is there a technique for closing that instance of access when the user > > closes a spreadsheet opened by an access program? > > > > > > > > MTIA > > > > > > > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > > > Beach Access Software > > > > 760-683-5777 > > > > www.bchacc.com > > > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Paul Hartland > paul.hartland at googlemail.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com From bradm at blackforestltd.com Thu Aug 25 16:48:49 2016 From: bradm at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 21:48:49 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] =?windows-1252?q?Problems_with_Page_Breaks_=96_Access_2?= =?windows-1252?q?013?= Message-ID: All, I am working on a key report called the ?Work Order Traveler? which contains the manufacturing specifications for items that we make. One Traveler is printed for each sales order. Each Traveler is typically 2-5 pages long. Many Travelers are created each day. There is a need to start a new page for each ?Parent Item? on the Sales Order. I am running into a strange problem with Page Breaks. When I insert the Access Page Break indicator in the report, an extra unwanted page is always created. This is not good as we have page numbers at the bottom of the Traveler such as ?Page 1 of 3?. We simply cannot throw away the extra page at the end as this would cause confusion for our workers. In order to debug this problem, I built a very simple Access application. This little application has one table with one field called ?PageBreakNumber? with these values; 10,10,20. There is one query that obtains this single field and one report that simply displays this single field from the query. There is a ?Group? on the PageBreakNumber field and an Access ?Page Break? in the PageBreakNumber Footer. These is no header. When I do a ?Print Preview? of the report, I see the Page Break when the PageBreakNumber changes from 10 to 20. So far, so good. However, instead of generating just two pages as expected, a third page is generated. This third page does not have any ?detail? data. It does have a Page Header and a Page footer, however. I have tried many things but I simply cannot find a way to prevent this extra page from being generated. I have not worked with Page Breaks very much. Perhaps I am missing something. I could easily e-mail my Test application if anyone would like to look at it. Thanks, Brad From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Aug 25 17:02:01 2016 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 08:02:01 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Problems_with_Page_Breaks_=E2=80=93_Access_20?= =?utf-8?q?13?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57BF6AD9.9789.A48936E8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Zip it and send it to me and I'll take a look. I suspect that you may be better off using a sub-header with a ForecNewPage setting. On 25 Aug 2016 at 21:48, Brad Marks wrote: > All, > > I am working on a key report called the "Work Order Traveler" which > contains the manufacturing specifications for items that we make. > > One Traveler is printed for each sales order. Each Traveler is > typically 2-5 pages long. Many Travelers are created each day. > > There is a need to start a new page for each "Parent Item" on the > Sales Order. > > I am running into a strange problem with Page Breaks. When I insert > the Access Page Break indicator in the report, an extra unwanted page > is always created. This is not good as we have page numbers at the > bottom of the Traveler such as "Page 1 of 3". We simply cannot throw > away the extra page at the end as this would cause confusion for our > workers. > > In order to debug this problem, I built a very simple Access > application. > > This little application has one table with one field called > "PageBreakNumber" with these values; 10,10,20. > > There is one query that obtains this single field and one report that > simply displays this single field from the query. > > There is a "Group" on the PageBreakNumber field and an Access "Page > Break" in the PageBreakNumber Footer. These is no header. > > When I do a "Print Preview" of the report, I see the Page Break when > the PageBreakNumber changes from 10 to 20. So far, so good. However, > instead of generating just two pages as expected, a third page is > generated. This third page does not have any "detail" data. It does > have a Page Header and a Page footer, however. > > I have tried many things but I simply cannot find a way to prevent > this extra page from being generated. > > I have not worked with Page Breaks very much. Perhaps I am missing > something. > > I could easily e-mail my Test application if anyone would like to look > at it. > > Thanks, > Brad > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From bensonforums at gmail.com Thu Aug 25 17:40:46 2016 From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 18:40:46 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Excel Automation Question In-Reply-To: <04de01d1ff0a$a4f858f0$eee90ad0$@bchacc.com> References: <04de01d1ff0a$a4f858f0$eee90ad0$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: Rocky, I use a couple of techniques. When I am automating Excel I create my own instances only if I do not expect the user to interact with Excel. So as others have pointed out, you want to use GetObject (,"Excel.Application) and if this is nothing, then set your object variable equal to a new instance. But here's the rub - as you pointed out, if the user closes it, you have an orphaned pointer to a memory location that no longer exists. Attempts to use it probably result in :"Automation Error" kind of message. But that is easily dealt with (I think) by just setting to nothing and re-instancing if you need to use it again. Another technique I use so as to know which instance of Excel I want to work with, especially if spread out over time, is create a hidden workbook stored in the user's temp folder, with objWB.Windows(1).Visible = False (or maybe the syntax is objWB.Windows(1).Hidden = True ... can't remember just now). I forget why I wanted that but it became something I could check to make sure my instance was still open. It is quite unlikely the user would find and close it while working in Excel. Getting the real handle of an Excel instance is a huge API chore, fortunately I have never had to figure out how to do it. On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 3:55 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > > > I want to open a spreadsheet from Access and am using: > > > > Set objXLApp = New Excel.Application > > objXLApp.Workbooks.Open gstrBackEndPath & "\PO_" & > Me.cboPOList.Column(1) & ".xlsx" > > objXLApp.Visible = True > > > > which works just fine. However, when the spreadsheet is closed by the user > the instance of Excel remains - I can see it in the Task Manager. > > > > If I close the spreadsheet from Access: > > > > objXLApp.ActiveWorkbook.Save > > objXLApp.ActiveWorkbook.Close True > > objXLApp.Quit > > Set objXLApp = Nothing > > > > Of course, Excel goes away. > > > > Is there a technique for closing that instance of access when the user > closes a spreadsheet opened by an access program? > > > > MTIA > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 760-683-5777 > > www.bchacc.com > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Aug 25 17:44:22 2016 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 08:44:22 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT - Re: Excel Automation Question In-Reply-To: <04de01d1ff0a$a4f858f0$eee90ad0$@bchacc.com> References: <04de01d1ff0a$a4f858f0$eee90ad0$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: <57BF74C6.28791.A4AFFE2D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I know we've discussed Excel and data problems before, and I've mentioned running into exactly the problem highlighted in this article. But 20% of published articles with messed up data? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/08/25/excel_hell_messes_up_20_per_cent_of_genetic_sci ence_papers/ -- Stuart On 25 Aug 2016 at 12:55, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > > > I want to open a spreadsheet from Access and am using: > > > > Set objXLApp = New Excel.Application > > objXLApp.Workbooks.Open gstrBackEndPath & "\PO_" & > Me.cboPOList.Column(1) & ".xlsx" > > objXLApp.Visible = True > > > > which works just fine. However, when the spreadsheet is closed by the > user the instance of Excel remains - I can see it in the Task Manager. > > > > If I close the spreadsheet from Access: > > > > objXLApp.ActiveWorkbook.Save > > objXLApp.ActiveWorkbook.Close True > > objXLApp.Quit > > Set objXLApp = Nothing > > > > Of course, Excel goes away. > > > > Is there a technique for closing that instance of access when the user > closes a spreadsheet opened by an access program? > > > > MTIA > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 760-683-5777 > > www.bchacc.com > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Aug 25 18:01:53 2016 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 19:01:53 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT - Re: Excel Automation Question In-Reply-To: <57BF74C6.28791.A4AFFE2D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <04de01d1ff0a$a4f858f0$eee90ad0$@bchacc.com> <57BF74C6.28791.A4AFFE2D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <000001d1ff24$ac743ee0$055cbca0$@gmail.com> Okay... a bit of hijacking, but I have defective MTHFR gene. :) When I showed the handout from the doc to the folks at work, they thought I was joking -- um... no. ;) But it is kind of funny. Did I tell you guys about this already? Susan H. I know we've discussed Excel and data problems before, and I've mentioned running into exactly the problem highlighted in this article. But 20% of published articles with messed up data? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/08/25/excel_hell_messes_up_20_per_cent_of_ genetic_sci ence_papers/ -- Stuart On 25 Aug 2016 at 12:55, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > > > I want to open a spreadsheet from Access and am using: > > > > Set objXLApp = New Excel.Application > > objXLApp.Workbooks.Open gstrBackEndPath & "\PO_" & > Me.cboPOList.Column(1) & ".xlsx" > > objXLApp.Visible = True > > > > which works just fine. However, when the spreadsheet is closed by the > user the instance of Excel remains - I can see it in the Task Manager. > > > > If I close the spreadsheet from Access: > > > > objXLApp.ActiveWorkbook.Save > > objXLApp.ActiveWorkbook.Close True > > objXLApp.Quit > > Set objXLApp = Nothing > > > > Of course, Excel goes away. > > > > Is there a technique for closing that instance of access when the user > closes a spreadsheet opened by an access program? > > > > MTIA > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 760-683-5777 > > www.bchacc.com > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Aug 25 18:25:28 2016 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 09:25:28 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT - Re: Excel Automation Question In-Reply-To: <000001d1ff24$ac743ee0$055cbca0$@gmail.com> References: <04de01d1ff0a$a4f858f0$eee90ad0$@bchacc.com>, <57BF74C6.28791.A4AFFE2D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <000001d1ff24$ac743ee0$055cbca0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <57BF7E68.25302.A4D59D98@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Since it's Friday already here, I'll keep going. That made me chuckle. Does that mean you are a bad MTHFR or that you aren't a real MTHFR? -- Stuart On 25 Aug 2016 at 19:01, Susan Harkins wrote: > Okay... a bit of hijacking, but I have defective MTHFR gene. :) When > I showed the handout from the doc to the folks at work, they thought I > was joking -- um... no. ;) But it is kind of funny. > > Did I tell you guys about this already? > > Susan H. > > I know we've discussed Excel and data problems before, and I've > mentioned running into exactly the problem highlighted in this > article. > > But 20% of published articles with messed up data? > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/08/25/excel_hell_messes_up_20_per_ce > nt_of_ genetic_sci ence_papers/ > > > -- > Stuart > > On 25 Aug 2016 at 12:55, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > > Dear List: > > > > > > > > I want to open a spreadsheet from Access and am using: > > > > > > > > Set objXLApp = New Excel.Application > > > > objXLApp.Workbooks.Open gstrBackEndPath & "\PO_" & > > Me.cboPOList.Column(1) & ".xlsx" > > > > objXLApp.Visible = True > > > > > > > > which works just fine. However, when the spreadsheet is closed by > > the user the instance of Excel remains - I can see it in the Task > > Manager. > > > > > > > > If I close the spreadsheet from Access: > > > > > > > > objXLApp.ActiveWorkbook.Save > > > > objXLApp.ActiveWorkbook.Close True > > > > objXLApp.Quit > > > > Set objXLApp = Nothing > > > > > > > > Of course, Excel goes away. > > > > > > > > Is there a technique for closing that instance of access when the > > user closes a spreadsheet opened by an access program? > > > > > > > > MTIA > > > > > > > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > > > Beach Access Software > > > > 760-683-5777 > > > > www.bchacc.com > > > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Aug 25 18:32:07 2016 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 19:32:07 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT - Re: Excel Automation Question In-Reply-To: <57BF7E68.25302.A4D59D98@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <04de01d1ff0a$a4f858f0$eee90ad0$@bchacc.com>, <57BF74C6.28791.A4AFFE2D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <000001d1ff24$ac743ee0$055cbca0$@gmail.com> <57BF7E68.25302.A4D59D98@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <002301d1ff28$e561c660$b0255320$@gmail.com> :) It IS funny... ;) It's real though. It's a genetic flaw, and like many genetic flaws isn't always triggered. Why mine was and when I don't know. The skinny is... I'll get Vit B 12 shots for the rest of my life. It's an easy fix for me for a condition that can lead to all kinds of mayhem... but we know about it and I'm hopeful. Susan H. Since it's Friday already here, I'll keep going. That made me chuckle. Does that mean you are a bad MTHFR or that you aren't a real MTHFR? -- Stuart On 25 Aug 2016 at 19:01, Susan Harkins wrote: > Okay... a bit of hijacking, but I have defective MTHFR gene. :) When > I showed the handout from the doc to the folks at work, they thought I > was joking -- um... no. ;) But it is kind of funny. > > Did I tell you guys about this already? > > Susan H. > > I know we've discussed Excel and data problems before, and I've > mentioned running into exactly the problem highlighted in this > article. > > But 20% of published articles with messed up data? > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/08/25/excel_hell_messes_up_20_per_ce > nt_of_ genetic_sci ence_papers/ > > > -- > Stuart > > On 25 Aug 2016 at 12:55, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > > Dear List: > > > > > > > > I want to open a spreadsheet from Access and am using: > > > > > > > > Set objXLApp = New Excel.Application > > > > objXLApp.Workbooks.Open gstrBackEndPath & "\PO_" & > > Me.cboPOList.Column(1) & ".xlsx" > > > > objXLApp.Visible = True > > > > > > > > which works just fine. However, when the spreadsheet is closed by > > the user the instance of Excel remains - I can see it in the Task > > Manager. > > > > > > > > If I close the spreadsheet from Access: > > > > > > > > objXLApp.ActiveWorkbook.Save > > > > objXLApp.ActiveWorkbook.Close True > > > > objXLApp.Quit > > > > Set objXLApp = Nothing > > > > > > > > Of course, Excel goes away. > > > > > > > > Is there a technique for closing that instance of access when the > > user closes a spreadsheet opened by an access program? > > > > > > > > MTIA > > > > > > > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > > > Beach Access Software > > > > 760-683-5777 > > > > www.bchacc.com > > > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Aug 25 23:40:36 2016 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 21:40:36 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT - Re: Excel Automation Question In-Reply-To: <57BF74C6.28791.A4AFFE2D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <04de01d1ff0a$a4f858f0$eee90ad0$@bchacc.com> <57BF74C6.28791.A4AFFE2D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <005e01d1ff53$fda2d310$f8e87930$@bchacc.com> Well, to be fair, Excel files containing gene lists. r -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 3:44 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT - Re: Excel Automation Question I know we've discussed Excel and data problems before, and I've mentioned running into exactly the problem highlighted in this article. But 20% of published articles with messed up data? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/08/25/excel_hell_messes_up_20_per_cent_of_ genetic_sci ence_papers/ -- Stuart On 25 Aug 2016 at 12:55, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > > > I want to open a spreadsheet from Access and am using: > > > > Set objXLApp = New Excel.Application > > objXLApp.Workbooks.Open gstrBackEndPath & "\PO_" & > Me.cboPOList.Column(1) & ".xlsx" > > objXLApp.Visible = True > > > > which works just fine. However, when the spreadsheet is closed by the > user the instance of Excel remains - I can see it in the Task Manager. > > > > If I close the spreadsheet from Access: > > > > objXLApp.ActiveWorkbook.Save > > objXLApp.ActiveWorkbook.Close True > > objXLApp.Quit > > Set objXLApp = Nothing > > > > Of course, Excel goes away. > > > > Is there a technique for closing that instance of access when the user > closes a spreadsheet opened by an access program? > > > > MTIA > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 760-683-5777 > > www.bchacc.com > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bradm at blackforestltd.com Fri Aug 26 06:26:20 2016 From: bradm at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 11:26:20 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] =?windows-1252?q?Problems_with_Page_Breaks_=96_Access_2?= =?windows-1252?q?013?= In-Reply-To: <57BF6AD9.9789.A48936E8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <57BF6AD9.9789.A48936E8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Stuart, I tried to send the file, but was not able to do so. Later, I followed your suggestion and used the "Force New Page - After Section" setting in the Footer. This fixed the problem. I also found some other posts on the Internet regarding a known problem with the "Page Break" marker embedded in Footers. I will avoid using this approach in the future. Thanks for your help, I really appreciate it. Brad ________________________________ From: AccessD on behalf of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 5:02:01 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Problems with Page Breaks ? Access 2013 Zip it and send it to me and I'll take a look. I suspect that you may be better off using a sub-header with a ForecNewPage setting. On 25 Aug 2016 at 21:48, Brad Marks wrote: > All, > > I am working on a key report called the "Work Order Traveler" which > contains the manufacturing specifications for items that we make. > > One Traveler is printed for each sales order. Each Traveler is > typically 2-5 pages long. Many Travelers are created each day. > > There is a need to start a new page for each "Parent Item" on the > Sales Order. > > I am running into a strange problem with Page Breaks. When I insert > the Access Page Break indicator in the report, an extra unwanted page > is always created. This is not good as we have page numbers at the > bottom of the Traveler such as "Page 1 of 3". We simply cannot throw > away the extra page at the end as this would cause confusion for our > workers. > > In order to debug this problem, I built a very simple Access > application. > > This little application has one table with one field called > "PageBreakNumber" with these values; 10,10,20. > > There is one query that obtains this single field and one report that > simply displays this single field from the query. > > There is a "Group" on the PageBreakNumber field and an Access "Page > Break" in the PageBreakNumber Footer. These is no header. > > When I do a "Print Preview" of the report, I see the Page Break when > the PageBreakNumber changes from 10 to 20. So far, so good. However, > instead of generating just two pages as expected, a third page is > generated. This third page does not have any "detail" data. It does > have a Page Header and a Page footer, however. > > I have tried many things but I simply cannot find a way to prevent > this extra page from being generated. > > I have not worked with Page Breaks very much. Perhaps I am missing > something. > > I could easily e-mail my Test application if anyone would like to look > at it. > > Thanks, > Brad > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Salato at ky.gov Fri Aug 26 15:23:39 2016 From: Salato at ky.gov (FW Salato Center) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 20:23:39 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT - Re: Excel Automation Question In-Reply-To: <002301d1ff28$e561c660$b0255320$@gmail.com> References: <04de01d1ff0a$a4f858f0$eee90ad0$@bchacc.com>, <57BF74C6.28791.A4AFFE2D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <000001d1ff24$ac743ee0$055cbca0$@gmail.com> <57BF7E68.25302.A4D59D98@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <002301d1ff28$e561c660$b0255320$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Well oopps... I thought I was chatting with the OT gang. I apologize. Susan H. :) It IS funny... ;) It's real though. It's a genetic flaw, and like many genetic flaws isn't always triggered. Why mine was and when I don't know. The skinny is... I'll get Vit B 12 shots for the rest of my life. It's an easy fix for me for a condition that can lead to all kinds of mayhem... but we know about it and I'm hopeful. Susan H. Since it's Friday already here, I'll keep going. That made me chuckle. Does that mean you are a bad MTHFR or that you aren't a real MTHFR? -- Stuart On 25 Aug 2016 at 19:01, Susan Harkins wrote: > Okay... a bit of hijacking, but I have defective MTHFR gene. :) When > I showed the handout from the doc to the folks at work, they thought I > was joking -- um... no. ;) But it is kind of funny. > > Did I tell you guys about this already? > > Susan H. > > I know we've discussed Excel and data problems before, and I've > mentioned running into exactly the problem highlighted in this > article. > > But 20% of published articles with messed up data? > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/08/25/excel_hell_messes_up_20_per_ce > nt_of_ genetic_sci ence_papers/ > > > -- > Stuart > > On 25 Aug 2016 at 12:55, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > > Dear List: > > > > > > > > I want to open a spreadsheet from Access and am using: > > > > > > > > Set objXLApp = New Excel.Application > > > > objXLApp.Workbooks.Open gstrBackEndPath & "\PO_" & > > Me.cboPOList.Column(1) & ".xlsx" > > > > objXLApp.Visible = True > > > > > > > > which works just fine. However, when the spreadsheet is closed by > > the user the instance of Excel remains - I can see it in the Task > > Manager. > > > > > > > > If I close the spreadsheet from Access: > > > > > > > > objXLApp.ActiveWorkbook.Save > > > > objXLApp.ActiveWorkbook.Close True > > > > objXLApp.Quit > > > > Set objXLApp = Nothing > > > > > > > > Of course, Excel goes away. > > > > > > > > Is there a technique for closing that instance of access when the > > user closes a spreadsheet opened by an access program? > > > > > > > > MTIA > > > > > > > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > > > Beach Access Software > > > > 760-683-5777 > > > > www.bchacc.com > > > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Aug 30 20:15:24 2016 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 18:15:24 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Office 365 In-Reply-To: <156de1ee958.27ee.69790ac03242b476a40f64b50eaa3a65@sbcglobal.net> References: <00b201d20312$1aedc350$50c949f0$@sbcglobal.net> <00e301d2031f$5ddf7200$199e5600$@bchacc.com> <156de1ee958.27ee.69790ac03242b476a40f64b50eaa3a65@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <014001d20325$273b32b0$75b19810$@bchacc.com> One of my local colleagues, Polly Arndt, asks about experiences you have had with O360. Any input welcome. MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 760-683-5777 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin From: Polly Arndt [mailto:polly.arndt at sbcglobal.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 6:03 PM To: Rocky Smolin Subject: RE: Office 365 Great idea, thanks Rocky! Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On August 30, 2016 5:34:33 PM "Rocky Smolin" wrote: Polly: I could forward this to the AccessD list if you like to see what they have to say. Rocky From: Polly Arndt [mailto:polly.arndt at sbcglobal.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 3:59 PM To: Barry Hynum; Doug Murphy; Rocky Smolin; Joe K Anderson Subject: Office 365 Have any of you used Office 365? I have a client who wants to upgrade to it. They have a couple of split databases on their network in .accdb format. Is there anything I need to warn them about? Have you experienced any problems using it? Is there anything I need to look for that might not work properly? Thanks very much for your input, Polly _____ Avast logo This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Aug 31 04:09:17 2016 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 10:09:17 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Office 365 In-Reply-To: <014001d20325$273b32b0$75b19810$@bchacc.com> References: <00b201d20312$1aedc350$50c949f0$@sbcglobal.net> <00e301d2031f$5ddf7200$199e5600$@bchacc.com> <156de1ee958.27ee.69790ac03242b476a40f64b50eaa3a65@sbcglobal.net> <014001d20325$273b32b0$75b19810$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: Well first - you don't get a choice of the 2016 apps installed - They will replace 2013 - and be installed alongside 2010 Using Outlook - well your email store (etc) will be updated to 2016 And - most of your links (from email and links in web pages) will also be 2016'd - most, not all, so expect the occasional link (such as form filling - to report things ) So - backup your .pst and .ost files ---------------- Onedrive (OK not strictly 365 - but there is a major uplift to 365 storage as part of the 365 facility) You get 1TB of space to use - Well on my 100Mb/s link I managed to upload (Drag'n'Drop) under 3GB in a day Was to have been 3GB of files from a documentation folder - but some of the files didn?t get "MOVE'd" (OK COPY - but Onedrive says MOVE) There is a 'pending' and 'what-happened- window - but it's not scrollable - so you cannot see the ends of filenames, or more than the first 7? Entries - and that's on a 1920x1080 screen Also - you cannot get a computer manageable list of what is on the Onedrive, and drag-n-drop only does files - not folders - so you cannot just drag a folder of stuff - e.g. .htm pages won't have the linked folder of images taken over - There is no quota, so sharing a folder in editable mode means that all your space can be used up - and see the terms for what happens if you fill up the storage allocation. Also if you don't actively use the account for a while! Also sync is a pain - and if you 'sync' to a shared folder the sync can take ages to allow you to start working. So - Using 365 is not an easy way into SAFE cloud usage. Also - only the basic filetypes and formats of those types can be processed by the online 365 apps - NO you cannot check a csv file. And macros are NOT allowed - so that's anything with VBA 'automation' out of the picture - .com addins - maybe - but is your automation written and setup as a .com or .dll Also outlook.com - well surely your ISP provides a passable online email facility I haven't managed to get mail, or outlook.com to work - and sync of accounts - probably only the last 30 days stuff. ------------------ Now - for some recent fun! - note the end of the story... I got a banneracross the middle of the screen - blue pop-up type, and it blocked all other access to the system - no id on the message which stated "Terms are changing" - with 2 selection boxes - "Learn More" and "Dismiss" Wallswitch - and then malware check - nothing. Restarted the system - started task-manager and then went back to what I had been doing. This time I did not have the weather app in fullscreen mode when the pop-up popped up again, and could do other things Yes - it seems to be triggered by the start panel "weather app" ? So - with it onscreen, but a system that was functioning I Contacted the MS chat line - well I have something on the system that has got past windows 10 malware checks - Firewall and Defender and is not showing in TaskManager! My question to the techy - is this from Microsoft (inbedded in the OS, windows-update or an App or is it a MALWARE carrier that got past MS security? The tech's response - don't know, you'd need paid support for me to run a facility to find out - You should just CLICK ON DISMISS - Er Yes - so Microsoft advice is If you don't know who a pop-up is from - just click on it! My further investigation - that unowned pop-up links to a Microsoft page telling me that the terms of my use of Microsoft products has changed as of the 2nd August And I got this unidentified hidden? Link to it on the 23rd August .. Among the things with changing TERMS is Onedrive ! ----------------- OK - the reason I went to 365 - I have to have 2106 to match clients systems ( going from Win-7 2007/2010 environments to win-10 and current Office versions). And - now also 365 - so I need to see what they can, and CANNOT do, and find ways past the glitches and changes . 365 family seemed - even as an annual cost, with just ?10 a year extra to be more cost effective as a family (5 user, 15 devices) facility. Personal use - the Cloud facilities of Onedrive - multi-device and user sharing, remote access? Backup storage! For work use - 365 means your 2016 gets updated with the latest goodies (see all the Excel improvements) that the 365 based clients will be getting. JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 2:15 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] FW: Office 365 One of my local colleagues, Polly Arndt, asks about experiences you have had with O360. Any input welcome. MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 760-683-5777 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin From: Polly Arndt [mailto:polly.arndt at sbcglobal.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 6:03 PM To: Rocky Smolin Subject: RE: Office 365 Great idea, thanks Rocky! Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On August 30, 2016 5:34:33 PM "Rocky Smolin" wrote: Polly: I could forward this to the AccessD list if you like to see what they have to say. Rocky From: Polly Arndt [mailto:polly.arndt at sbcglobal.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 3:59 PM To: Barry Hynum; Doug Murphy; Rocky Smolin; Joe K Anderson Subject: Office 365 Have any of you used Office 365? I have a client who wants to upgrade to it. They have a couple of split databases on their network in .accdb format. Is there anything I need to warn them about? Have you experienced any problems using it? Is there anything I need to look for that might not work properly? Thanks very much for your input, Polly _____ Avast logo This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at gmail.com Wed Aug 31 05:38:36 2016 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 06:38:36 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Office 365 In-Reply-To: References: <00b201d20312$1aedc350$50c949f0$@sbcglobal.net> <00e301d2031f$5ddf7200$199e5600$@bchacc.com> <156de1ee958.27ee.69790ac03242b476a40f64b50eaa3a65@sbcglobal.net> <014001d20325$273b32b0$75b19810$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: Wow, does not sound like fun. jwcolby On 8/31/2016 5:09 AM, James Button wrote: > Well first - you don't get a choice of the 2016 apps installed - > They will replace 2013 - and be installed alongside 2010 > > Using Outlook - well your email store (etc) will be updated to 2016 > And - most of your links (from email and links in web pages) will also be 2016'd > - most, not all, so expect the occasional link (such as form filling - to report > things ) > > So - backup your .pst and .ost files > ---------------- > > Onedrive (OK not strictly 365 - but there is a major uplift to 365 storage as > part of the 365 facility) > > You get 1TB of space to use - > Well on my 100Mb/s link I managed to upload (Drag'n'Drop) under 3GB in a day > Was to have been 3GB of files from a documentation folder - but some of the > files didn?t get "MOVE'd" > (OK COPY - but Onedrive says MOVE) > > There is a 'pending' and 'what-happened- window - but it's not scrollable - > so you cannot see the ends of filenames, > or more than the first 7? Entries - and that's on a > 1920x1080 screen > > Also - you cannot get a computer manageable list of what is on the Onedrive, and > drag-n-drop only does files - not folders - > so you cannot just drag a folder of stuff - e.g. .htm pages won't have the > linked folder of images taken over - > > There is no quota, so sharing a folder in editable mode means that all your > space can be used up - > and see the terms for what happens if you fill up the storage > allocation. > Also if you don't actively use the account for a while! > > Also sync is a pain - and if you 'sync' to a shared folder the sync can take > ages to allow you to start working. > > So - Using 365 is not an easy way into SAFE cloud usage. > > > > Also - only the basic filetypes and formats of those types can be processed by > the online 365 apps - NO you cannot check a csv file. > And macros are NOT allowed - so that's anything with VBA 'automation' out of > the picture - .com addins - maybe - but is your automation written and setup as > a .com or .dll > Also outlook.com - well surely your ISP provides a passable online email > facility > I haven't managed to get mail, or outlook.com to work - and sync of accounts - > probably only the last 30 days stuff. > > ------------------ > > Now - for some recent fun! - note the end of the story... > > I got a banneracross the middle of the screen - blue pop-up type, > and it blocked all other access to the system - no id on the message which > stated > "Terms are changing" - with 2 selection boxes - "Learn More" and "Dismiss" > Wallswitch - and then malware check - nothing. > > Restarted the system - started task-manager and then went back to what I had > been doing. > This time I did not have the weather app in fullscreen mode when the pop-up > popped up again, and could do other things > Yes - it seems to be triggered by the start panel "weather app" ? > So - with it onscreen, but a system that was functioning > I Contacted the MS chat line - well I have something on the system that has got > past windows 10 malware checks - Firewall and Defender and is not showing in > TaskManager! > > My question to the techy - is this from Microsoft (inbedded > in the OS, windows-update or an App or is it a MALWARE carrier that > got past MS security? > > The tech's response - don't know, you'd need paid support for me to run a > facility to find out - > > You should just CLICK ON > DISMISS - > > Er Yes - so Microsoft advice is > If you don't know who a > pop-up is from - just click on it! > > My further investigation - that unowned pop-up links to a Microsoft page telling > me that the terms of my use of Microsoft products has changed as of the 2nd > August > And I got this unidentified hidden? Link to it on the 23rd August .. > > Among the things with changing TERMS is Onedrive ! > > > ----------------- > > > > OK - the reason I went to 365 - > > I have to have 2106 to match clients systems ( going from Win-7 2007/2010 > environments to win-10 and current Office versions). > And - now also 365 - so I need to see what they can, > and CANNOT do, and find ways past the glitches and changes . > > 365 family seemed - even as an annual cost, with just ?10 a year extra to be > more cost effective as a family (5 user, 15 devices) facility. > > Personal use - the Cloud facilities of Onedrive - multi-device and user sharing, > remote access? Backup storage! > For work use - 365 means your 2016 gets updated with the latest goodies (see > all the Excel improvements) that the 365 based clients will be getting. > > > JimB > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 2:15 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: [AccessD] FW: Office 365 > > One of my local colleagues, Polly Arndt, asks about experiences you have had > with O360. > > Any input welcome. > > MTIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 760-683-5777 > www.bchacc.com > www.e-z-mrp.com > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > > > > > From: Polly Arndt [mailto:polly.arndt at sbcglobal.net] > Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 6:03 PM > To: Rocky Smolin > Subject: RE: Office 365 > > > > Great idea, thanks Rocky! > > Sent with AquaMail for Android > http://www.aqua-mail.com > > On August 30, 2016 5:34:33 PM "Rocky Smolin" wrote: > > Polly: > > > > I could forward this to the AccessD list if you like to see what they have > to say. > > > > Rocky > > > > > > From: Polly Arndt [mailto:polly.arndt at sbcglobal.net] > Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 3:59 PM > To: Barry Hynum; Doug Murphy; Rocky Smolin; Joe K Anderson > Subject: Office 365 > > > > Have any of you used Office 365? I have a client who wants to upgrade to > it. They have a couple of split databases on their network in .accdb > format. > > > > Is there anything I need to warn them about? Have you experienced any > problems using it? Is there anything I need to look for that might not work > properly? > > > > > > Thanks very much for your input, > > > > Polly > > > > > _____ > > > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- John W. Colby From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Aug 31 06:30:21 2016 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 12:30:21 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Office 365 In-Reply-To: References: <00b201d20312$1aedc350$50c949f0$@sbcglobal.net> <00e301d2031f$5ddf7200$199e5600$@bchacc.com> <156de1ee958.27ee.69790ac03242b476a40f64b50eaa3a65@sbcglobal.net> <014001d20325$273b32b0$75b19810$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: Wadda U mean - NOT fun. It's great fun for the user - Such interesting times, so many novel experiences and - well OK some deja-vu. Sorry for typo's etc. Was trying to get out before Noon - Ha! OK it was just a passing thought (hope). And still cannot get over the Chat-line "Tech" saying he didn't know the source of the message - As I had not got a paid-for support contract he wouldn't help, or even advise me how to determine if it was from MS - So advised I should just CLICK ON DISMISS - Re outlook 2016 file update - bet those taking the 30 day trial were 'appy. Meant to say occasionally I get outlook 2010 invoked from a web page - I moved the files so it gets upset about that rather than their 2016 content. (conversion to 2016 from 2010 was not much of a problem - all seemed to come across OK - just needed to sort out some columns and views - and the new font selection and read/not read changed mode - more spacing so less on the screen) There are some things missing from the 2016 app setup options and you'll need to setup some ribbon commands etc. for all the extra things that are in the NOT ON RIBBON list. Formats etc. If considering the actual 365 apps - there is a lot you cannot do with the online apps - as in Onedrive is not setup to be a safe to use environment for file storage, let alone co-operative file management. And the msword app will not handle most of the file formats the PC based version will, And the Excel app is getting lots of additional data handling facilities - but there is not the VBA control facilities, or multi-workbook handling facility. Then again - that is the 'Family' version, Maybe, just maybe the Business version of the 365 package is lots better - Well, you'll be paying all that extra for the uprated facilities and support! (S a r c h a s m !) Regards JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 11:39 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Office 365 Wow, does not sound like fun. jwcolby On 8/31/2016 5:09 AM, James Button wrote: > Well first - you don't get a choice of the 2016 apps installed - > They will replace 2013 - and be installed alongside 2010 > > Using Outlook - well your email store (etc) will be updated to 2016 > And - most of your links (from email and links in web pages) will also be 2016'd > - most, not all, so expect the occasional link (such as form filling - to report > things ) > > So - backup your .pst and .ost files > ---------------- > > Onedrive (OK not strictly 365 - but there is a major uplift to 365 storage as > part of the 365 facility) > > You get 1TB of space to use - > Well on my 100Mb/s link I managed to upload (Drag'n'Drop) under 3GB in a day > Was to have been 3GB of files from a documentation folder - but some of the > files didn?t get "MOVE'd" > (OK COPY - but Onedrive says MOVE) > > There is a 'pending' and 'what-happened- window - but it's not scrollable - > so you cannot see the ends of filenames, > or more than the first 7? Entries - and that's on a > 1920x1080 screen > > Also - you cannot get a computer manageable list of what is on the Onedrive, and > drag-n-drop only does files - not folders - > so you cannot just drag a folder of stuff - e.g. .htm pages won't have the > linked folder of images taken over - > > There is no quota, so sharing a folder in editable mode means that all your > space can be used up - and see the terms for what happens if you fill up the storage allocation. Also if you don't actively use the account for a while! > > Also sync is a pain - and if you 'sync' to a shared folder the sync can take > ages to allow you to start working. > > So - Using 365 is not an easy way into SAFE cloud usage. > > Also - only the basic filetypes and formats of those types can be processed by > the online 365 apps - NO you cannot check a csv file. > And macros are NOT allowed - so that's anything with VBA 'automation' out of > the picture - .com addins - maybe - but is your automation written and setup as > a .com or .dll > Also outlook.com - well surely your ISP provides a passable online email > facility > I haven't managed to get mail, or outlook.com to work - and sync of accounts - > probably only the last 30 days stuff. > > ------------------ > > Now - for some recent fun! - note the end of the story... > > I got a banneracross the middle of the screen - blue pop-up type, and it blocked all other access to the system - no id on the message which stated > "Terms are changing" - with 2 selection boxes - "Learn More" and "Dismiss" > Wallswitch - and then malware check - nothing. > > Restarted the system - started task-manager and then went back to what I had > been doing. > This time I did not have the weather app in fullscreen mode when the pop-up > popped up again, and could do other things > Yes - it seems to be triggered by the start panel "weather app" ? > So - with it onscreen, but a system that was functioning > I Contacted the MS chat line - well I have something on the system that has got > past windows 10 malware checks - Firewall and Defender and is not showing in > TaskManager! > > My question to the techy - is this from Microsoft (inbedded > in the OS, windows-update or an App or is it a MALWARE carrier that > got past MS security? > > The tech's response - don't know, you'd need paid support for me to run a > facility to find out - You should just CLICK ON DISMISS - > > Er Yes - so Microsoft advice is If you don't know who a pop-up is from - just click on it! > > My further investigation - that unowned pop-up links to a Microsoft page telling > me that the terms of my use of Microsoft products has changed as of the 2nd > August > And I got this unidentified hidden? Link to it on the 23rd August .. > > Among the things with changing TERMS is Onedrive ! > ----------------- > > OK - the reason I went to 365 - > > I have to have 2106 to match clients systems ( going from Win-7 2007/2010 > environments to win-10 and current Office versions). > And - now also 365 - so I need to see what they can, > and CANNOT do, and find ways past the glitches and changes . > > 365 family seemed - even as an annual cost, with just ?10 a year extra to be > more cost effective as a family (5 user, 15 devices) facility. > > Personal use - the Cloud facilities of Onedrive - multi-device and user sharing, > remote access? Backup storage! > For work use - 365 means your 2016 gets updated with the latest goodies (see > all the Excel improvements) that the 365 based clients will be getting. >> > JimB > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 2:15 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: [AccessD] FW: Office 365 > > One of my local colleagues, Polly Arndt, asks about experiences you have had > with O360. > > Any input welcome. > > MTIA > > Rocky Smolin From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Wed Aug 31 07:36:52 2016 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 12:36:52 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Office 365 In-Reply-To: References: <00b201d20312$1aedc350$50c949f0$@sbcglobal.net> <00e301d2031f$5ddf7200$199e5600$@bchacc.com> <156de1ee958.27ee.69790ac03242b476a40f64b50eaa3a65@sbcglobal.net> <014001d20325$273b32b0$75b19810$@bchacc.com> , Message-ID: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC98B78B55@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> I log on from any pc in the university and instant access to all files including save as links in word etc. I OneNote a meeting and same including my phone, pc, tablet etc Email for around 30000 users free, SharePoint for same free. Office 2013 for same free. Office 2016 free including install on 5 devices free. Unlimited storage free. Hard to beat. Martin Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: James Button Sent: ?31/?08/?2016 12:33 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Office 365 Wadda U mean - NOT fun. It's great fun for the user - Such interesting times, so many novel experiences and - well OK some deja-vu. Sorry for typo's etc. Was trying to get out before Noon - Ha! OK it was just a passing thought (hope). And still cannot get over the Chat-line "Tech" saying he didn't know the source of the message - As I had not got a paid-for support contract he wouldn't help, or even advise me how to determine if it was from MS - So advised I should just CLICK ON DISMISS - Re outlook 2016 file update - bet those taking the 30 day trial were 'appy. Meant to say occasionally I get outlook 2010 invoked from a web page - I moved the files so it gets upset about that rather than their 2016 content. (conversion to 2016 from 2010 was not much of a problem - all seemed to come across OK - just needed to sort out some columns and views - and the new font selection and read/not read changed mode - more spacing so less on the screen) There are some things missing from the 2016 app setup options and you'll need to setup some ribbon commands etc. for all the extra things that are in the NOT ON RIBBON list. Formats etc. If considering the actual 365 apps - there is a lot you cannot do with the online apps - as in Onedrive is not setup to be a safe to use environment for file storage, let alone co-operative file management. And the msword app will not handle most of the file formats the PC based version will, And the Excel app is getting lots of additional data handling facilities - but there is not the VBA control facilities, or multi-workbook handling facility. Then again - that is the 'Family' version, Maybe, just maybe the Business version of the 365 package is lots better - Well, you'll be paying all that extra for the uprated facilities and support! (S a r c h a s m !) Regards JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 11:39 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Office 365 Wow, does not sound like fun. jwcolby On 8/31/2016 5:09 AM, James Button wrote: > Well first - you don't get a choice of the 2016 apps installed - > They will replace 2013 - and be installed alongside 2010 > > Using Outlook - well your email store (etc) will be updated to 2016 > And - most of your links (from email and links in web pages) will also be 2016'd > - most, not all, so expect the occasional link (such as form filling - to report > things ) > > So - backup your .pst and .ost files > ---------------- > > Onedrive (OK not strictly 365 - but there is a major uplift to 365 storage as > part of the 365 facility) > > You get 1TB of space to use - > Well on my 100Mb/s link I managed to upload (Drag'n'Drop) under 3GB in a day > Was to have been 3GB of files from a documentation folder - but some of the > files didn?t get "MOVE'd" > (OK COPY - but Onedrive says MOVE) > > There is a 'pending' and 'what-happened- window - but it's not scrollable - > so you cannot see the ends of filenames, > or more than the first 7? Entries - and that's on a > 1920x1080 screen > > Also - you cannot get a computer manageable list of what is on the Onedrive, and > drag-n-drop only does files - not folders - > so you cannot just drag a folder of stuff - e.g. .htm pages won't have the > linked folder of images taken over - > > There is no quota, so sharing a folder in editable mode means that all your > space can be used up - and see the terms for what happens if you fill up the storage allocation. Also if you don't actively use the account for a while! > > Also sync is a pain - and if you 'sync' to a shared folder the sync can take > ages to allow you to start working. > > So - Using 365 is not an easy way into SAFE cloud usage. > > Also - only the basic filetypes and formats of those types can be processed by > the online 365 apps - NO you cannot check a csv file. > And macros are NOT allowed - so that's anything with VBA 'automation' out of > the picture - .com addins - maybe - but is your automation written and setup as > a .com or .dll > Also outlook.com - well surely your ISP provides a passable online email > facility > I haven't managed to get mail, or outlook.com to work - and sync of accounts - > probably only the last 30 days stuff. > > ------------------ > > Now - for some recent fun! - note the end of the story... > > I got a banneracross the middle of the screen - blue pop-up type, and it blocked all other access to the system - no id on the message which stated > "Terms are changing" - with 2 selection boxes - "Learn More" and "Dismiss" > Wallswitch - and then malware check - nothing. > > Restarted the system - started task-manager and then went back to what I had > been doing. > This time I did not have the weather app in fullscreen mode when the pop-up > popped up again, and could do other things > Yes - it seems to be triggered by the start panel "weather app" ? > So - with it onscreen, but a system that was functioning > I Contacted the MS chat line - well I have something on the system that has got > past windows 10 malware checks - Firewall and Defender and is not showing in > TaskManager! > > My question to the techy - is this from Microsoft (inbedded > in the OS, windows-update or an App or is it a MALWARE carrier that > got past MS security? > > The tech's response - don't know, you'd need paid support for me to run a > facility to find out - You should just CLICK ON DISMISS - > > Er Yes - so Microsoft advice is If you don't know who a pop-up is from - just click on it! > > My further investigation - that unowned pop-up links to a Microsoft page telling > me that the terms of my use of Microsoft products has changed as of the 2nd > August > And I got this unidentified hidden? Link to it on the 23rd August .. > > Among the things with changing TERMS is Onedrive ! > ----------------- > > OK - the reason I went to 365 - > > I have to have 2106 to match clients systems ( going from Win-7 2007/2010 > environments to win-10 and current Office versions). > And - now also 365 - so I need to see what they can, > and CANNOT do, and find ways past the glitches and changes . > > 365 family seemed - even as an annual cost, with just ?10 a year extra to be > more cost effective as a family (5 user, 15 devices) facility. > > Personal use - the Cloud facilities of Onedrive - multi-device and user sharing, > remote access? Backup storage! > For work use - 365 means your 2016 gets updated with the latest goodies (see > all the Excel improvements) that the 365 based clients will be getting. >> > JimB > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 2:15 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: [AccessD] FW: Office 365 > > One of my local colleagues, Polly Arndt, asks about experiences you have had > with O360. > > Any input welcome. > > MTIA > > Rocky Smolin -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Aug 31 08:21:10 2016 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 14:21:10 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Office 365 In-Reply-To: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC98B78B55@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <00b201d20312$1aedc350$50c949f0$@sbcglobal.net> <00e301d2031f$5ddf7200$199e5600$@bchacc.com> <156de1ee958.27ee.69790ac03242b476a40f64b50eaa3a65@sbcglobal.net> <014001d20325$273b32b0$75b19810$@bchacc.com> , <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC98B78B55@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: That would - I assume be a 'large-scale implementation with some background supporting facilities - Or - do you mean using just the Outlook.com and MS storage (whatever jurisdiction that store and it's 3rd party and 'agent' and 'agency' access comes under) for your emails One Note - yes - but do you (and the users) use Onedrive Office 2013 and 2016 - U understood they would not co-exist on a system - or do you have a mix of versions throughout your users? And if so - how do you provide whatever version the user is used-to to them at time-of-use Unlimited storage free - what facility provides that storage - and what are the terms of it's use - and withdrawal. I'm not 'dissing' or downing your decision to use the facility - for free it's a good bet for recommendation at any site. I am interested in your usage of the facility - Provision to staff and students, or use as part of the office administration facility - as in do you use Project, Visio, Publisher, web based forms and publication mode, data extraction from databases? I presume as you posted on the Access forum you are using tabled data in Excel - powerpivot, charts, comparing historic sets of data etc. My post was purely personal experience - but I did get an email from a Onedrive support person stating the problems I reported would not change in the near future ( years) Then again I have not tries using it since the 'change' that was implemented recently in the app - whatever that was supposed to do! JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 1:37 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Office 365 I log on from any pc in the university and instant access to all files including save as links in word etc. I OneNote a meeting and same including my phone, pc, tablet etc Email for around 30000 users free, SharePoint for same free. Office 2013 for same free. Office 2016 free including install on 5 devices free. Unlimited storage free. Hard to beat. Martin Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: James Button Sent: ?31/?08/?2016 12:33 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Office 365 Wadda U mean - NOT fun. It's great fun for the user - Such interesting times, so many novel experiences and - well OK some deja-vu. Sorry for typo's etc. Was trying to get out before Noon - Ha! OK it was just a passing thought (hope). And still cannot get over the Chat-line "Tech" saying he didn't know the source of the message - As I had not got a paid-for support contract he wouldn't help, or even advise me how to determine if it was from MS - So advised I should just CLICK ON DISMISS - Re outlook 2016 file update - bet those taking the 30 day trial were 'appy. Meant to say occasionally I get outlook 2010 invoked from a web page - I moved the files so it gets upset about that rather than their 2016 content. (conversion to 2016 from 2010 was not much of a problem - all seemed to come across OK - just needed to sort out some columns and views - and the new font selection and read/not read changed mode - more spacing so less on the screen) There are some things missing from the 2016 app setup options and you'll need to setup some ribbon commands etc. for all the extra things that are in the NOT ON RIBBON list. Formats etc. If considering the actual 365 apps - there is a lot you cannot do with the online apps - as in Onedrive is not setup to be a safe to use environment for file storage, let alone co-operative file management. And the msword app will not handle most of the file formats the PC based version will, And the Excel app is getting lots of additional data handling facilities - but there is not the VBA control facilities, or multi-workbook handling facility. Then again - that is the 'Family' version, Maybe, just maybe the Business version of the 365 package is lots better - Well, you'll be paying all that extra for the uprated facilities and support! (S a r c h a s m !) Regards JimB > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 2:15 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: [AccessD] FW: Office 365 > > One of my local colleagues, Polly Arndt, asks about experiences you have had > with O360. > > Any input welcome. > > MTIA > > Rocky Smolin -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Wed Aug 31 08:49:29 2016 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 13:49:29 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Office 365 In-Reply-To: References: <00b201d20312$1aedc350$50c949f0$@sbcglobal.net> <00e301d2031f$5ddf7200$199e5600$@bchacc.com> <156de1ee958.27ee.69790ac03242b476a40f64b50eaa3a65@sbcglobal.net> <014001d20325$273b32b0$75b19810$@bchacc.com> , <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC98B78B55@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC98B78CD0@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> Hi James We use Office 365 for education. We do not do any development and we have no supporting systems on site. We do sync our AD to Office 365 and other than that that's about it. On the desktop on student machines we control the version of Office. At the moment that is 2013. On staff machines it 2010 -2013 with a small number of 2016. We do not support a mixed office install at all on PCs. We will support one version on a PC and that's it. now days we do very little development in Access. We use One Drive for Business which is SharePoint. For students they lose access once they stop being a student that's usually 4 -5 years after initial sign on. They are responsible for removing anything they would like to keep. In terms of enterprise level work egg large scale databases we host them internally but are doing some work on Azure with a view to moving some systems out. In terms of agent access not sure what you mean. Our data is held on European data centres in Holland and Dublin. I am aware of recent attempts to access data form the USA but jury still out on that. Any data we would be concerned about we hold mostly in large enterprise systems on site. Martin From ewaldt at gdls.com Wed Aug 31 09:09:51 2016 From: ewaldt at gdls.com (ewaldt at gdls.com) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 10:09:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Change defaults in Access 2013? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Is there any way to change the defaults in Access 2013? I guess it's because I'm old and cranky, and I've been using Access for a long time, but I really hate "Tabbed Documents", "Layout View", and "Enable design changes for tables in Datasheet view". Unfortunately, Microsoft put all of these in "Current Database" instead of "General", so every time I create a new database I have to remember to go and uncheck all of them. It's nice that they're available for those who want them, but for others...Is there any way to change the defaults? I'm guessing "no", but thought I'd ask. 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Your cooperation is appreciated. && From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Aug 31 09:28:41 2016 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 15:28:41 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Office 365 In-Reply-To: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC98B78CD0@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <00b201d20312$1aedc350$50c949f0$@sbcglobal.net> <00e301d2031f$5ddf7200$199e5600$@bchacc.com> <156de1ee958.27ee.69790ac03242b476a40f64b50eaa3a65@sbcglobal.net> <014001d20325$273b32b0$75b19810$@bchacc.com> , <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC98B78B55@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC98B78CD0@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: Martin, Thanks for the fast and detailed reply. Me - I provide a small scale support facility for single user stations - vertical market applications - some development - mostly VBA now - although for 365 I'm probably going back to variants of C (sorry about the "U understand" meant to type "I understand" - keyboard up to its habit of dodging about under the fingers! Re the access " and what are the terms of it's use - and withdrawal." - I was mostly asking about the provision to your organisation - as in didn't renew, goodbye data on that day? Re Onedrive for Business - I understand the user access apps are better than those for home (non-business) users. (Assumption reinforced by the onedrive support person's comments regarding my reports of the naffness included a suggestion that I should take the business 365 option) The agents and agencies bit was regarding the security of the data, and the ability, and possibilities for it to be shared out by Microsoft. I presume that some of the data held by yourselves would be contractually limited access - from, or about 3rd parties as well as students, faculty and staff - and some even financially sensitive - pending copyright etc. Terms in many IT facility provision contracts I have seen allow the provider of storage and data transport to pass that data through 3rd party organisations acting as their 'agents', and for the data to be made available to other agencies wherever the data is held, or transported through their jurisdiction. Holland and Dublin implies EU data access and control restrictions and requirements, including any backups of that storage facility. Thanks again for the fast and detailed reply. JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 2:49 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Office 365 Hi James We use Office 365 for education. We do not do any development and we have no supporting systems on site. We do sync our AD to Office 365 and other than that that's about it. On the desktop on student machines we control the version of Office. At the moment that is 2013. On staff machines it 2010 -2013 with a small number of 2016. We do not support a mixed office install at all on PCs. We will support one version on a PC and that's it. now days we do very little development in Access. We use One Drive for Business which is SharePoint. For students they lose access once they stop being a student that's usually 4 -5 years after initial sign on. They are responsible for removing anything they would like to keep. In terms of enterprise level work egg large scale databases we host them internally but are doing some work on Azure with a view to moving some systems out. In terms of agent access not sure what you mean. Our data is held on European data centres in Holland and Dublin. I am aware of recent attempts to access data form the USA but jury still out on that. Any data we would be concerned about we hold mostly in large enterprise systems on site. Martin -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Aug 31 16:33:54 2016 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2016 07:33:54 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Change defaults in Access 2013? In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <57C74D42.22198.C3558048@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> AFAIK, the only way is to create a blank database, set those options appropriately (and I change a few others as well: Name Autocorrect, Compact on Close, Show Nav Pane) and then save it somewhere as a template. Then when you need a new database, copy that template rather than creating one. -- Stuart On 31 Aug 2016 at 10:09, ewaldt at gdls.com wrote: > Is there any way to change the defaults in Access 2013? I guess it's > because I'm old and cranky, and I've been using Access for a long > time, but I really hate "Tabbed Documents", "Layout View", and "Enable > design changes for tables in Datasheet view". Unfortunately, Microsoft > put all of these in "Current Database" instead of "General", so every > time I create a new database I have to remember to go and uncheck all > of them. It's nice that they're available for those who want them, but > for others...Is there any way to change the defaults? I'm guessing > "no", but thought I'd ask. > > Tanks (Abrams, of course). > > Tom Ewald > Mass Properties > General Dynamics Land Systems > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > This is an e-mail from General Dynamics Land Systems. It is for the > intended recipient only and may contain confidential and privileged > information. No one else may read, print, store, copy, forward or act > in reliance on it or its attachments. If you are not the intended > recipient, please return this message to the sender and delete the > message and any attachments from your computer. Your cooperation is > appreciated. && -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.com >