From ewaldt at gdls.com  Fri Jul  1 05:37:45 2016
From: ewaldt at gdls.com (ewaldt at gdls.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 06:37:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] vbTrue vbFalse
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Charlotte,

I am NOT convinced that we are lab rats, but I AM convinced that Microsoft 
views us that way...

Tom Ewald
Mass Properties
General Dynamics Land Systems

Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 13:31:50 -0700
From: Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
                 <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] vbTrue vbFalse


I'm convinced we're lab rats in a Microsoft testing maze and they do that
sort of thing on purpose!  ?

Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Fri Jul  1 11:56:54 2016
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 09:56:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Video Rental DB
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Hmmm, I didn't even think of creating a returns table.

Great idea!

Thanks,
David

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
wrote:

> Every time I look at a "Point of Sale" system, I think of your second
> meaning.  It seems as
> though that is an apt description for just about all of them. :-)
>
> I'd definitely put  a Status flag in tblDisks and update it based on the
> InvoiceLine.
>
> Have a second table for returns which also updates the disk status.
>
> A Union of relevant fields from your Invoice/ Invoice lines and Receipts
> then become your
> history without needing to maintain additional links.
>
> I'd include a "Sold" flag and record the selling price as part of thh
> Invoice line, not use a
> separate table for sales.
>
> I'd probably go with a field in Title to differentiate directly between
> games and videos, but
> would also have appropriate entries in Genre AND Format (Xbox/PS2 etc)
>
>
>
> On 30 Jun 2016 at 14:53, David McAfee wrote:
>
> > Just a quick glance, that appears to be more of a software to collect
> > a list of movies and / or music.
> >
> > A little back story. :)
> >
> > Back in February my wife (and I) bought a little retail store. In the
> > back of the store was a video rental section.
> >
> > We were going to shut it down, after all who rents movies at a brick
> > and mortar store these days? :)
> >
> > Well, we come to find out, a lot of people. We add at least 1 new
> > customer per day as they find out about it.
> >
> > The P.O.S. (if you can call it that) for the rental side of the store
> > is an old DOS based application running on a Windows ME or 2000
> > system. I think POS doesn't stand for Point of Sales, it's more like
> > Piece of Sh*t :)
> >
> > I could copy the flat dbase table structure thatthe software uses, but
> > I'd like to design something a little better. I want to do it in
> > Access first as a rapid development tool, just to show the employees
> > my thought on how the software should work.
> >
> > In time, I'd like to connect to the web and/or make it a mobile app or
> > web based software.
> >
>
>
>
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>

From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Jul  1 15:02:18 2016
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2016 16:02:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Video Rental DB
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 You might consider going along the lines of an inventory system (that's
what it really is anyway), with a single table for "movement".  In other
words, all the in's and out's of a given item.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
David McAfee
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 12:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Video Rental DB

Hmmm, I didn't even think of creating a returns table.

Great idea!

Thanks,
David

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
wrote:

> Every time I look at a "Point of Sale" system, I think of your second
> meaning.  It seems as
> though that is an apt description for just about all of them. :-)
>
> I'd definitely put  a Status flag in tblDisks and update it based on the
> InvoiceLine.
>
> Have a second table for returns which also updates the disk status.
>
> A Union of relevant fields from your Invoice/ Invoice lines and Receipts
> then become your
> history without needing to maintain additional links.
>
> I'd include a "Sold" flag and record the selling price as part of thh
> Invoice line, not use a
> separate table for sales.
>
> I'd probably go with a field in Title to differentiate directly between
> games and videos, but
> would also have appropriate entries in Genre AND Format (Xbox/PS2 etc)
>
>
>
> On 30 Jun 2016 at 14:53, David McAfee wrote:
>
> > Just a quick glance, that appears to be more of a software to collect
> > a list of movies and / or music.
> >
> > A little back story. :)
> >
> > Back in February my wife (and I) bought a little retail store. In the
> > back of the store was a video rental section.
> >
> > We were going to shut it down, after all who rents movies at a brick
> > and mortar store these days? :)
> >
> > Well, we come to find out, a lot of people. We add at least 1 new
> > customer per day as they find out about it.
> >
> > The P.O.S. (if you can call it that) for the rental side of the store
> > is an old DOS based application running on a Windows ME or 2000
> > system. I think POS doesn't stand for Point of Sales, it's more like
> > Piece of Sh*t :)
> >
> > I could copy the flat dbase table structure thatthe software uses, but
> > I'd like to design something a little better. I want to do it in
> > Access first as a rapid development tool, just to show the employees
> > my thought on how the software should work.
> >
> > In time, I'd like to connect to the web and/or make it a mobile app or
> > web based software.
> >
>
>
>
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From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Jul  1 15:56:26 2016
From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 21:56:26 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Video Rental DB
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Swift assessment of the needs  - guesswork -
Stock item - code, title, media type, Discs in set , booklet, loan limitations -
as in content type,  current reported condition, date purchased, source, Brand,
cost, depreciation anticipated each year, depreciation to-date, date written-off
from stock
Customer - Account,  name, address, phone - home mobile, email, payment method
and payment account - bank account (reference - and confirmation of id address),
id validation presented - type and reference - social services - government id,
guarantor, registered date, last borrowing date, number of borrowings  -
problems level marker - scuffed, returned as damaged, damage admitted at return,
Damage found at return, incomplete at return, payment problems - etc...  and a
freeform text comment area 2000 characters (warning to staff on the form about
libellous entries and the possibility of them being required to justify their
entries at court.)
 
Borrowing entry - Customer account, date,  Invoice number, Billed amount, Excess
charge, Paid amount , closed entry - all returned, or excess paid
Invoice entry line - invoice number, stock code,  date out, expected loan
duration, returned OK marker 
If not returned OK - then there will be a 'line-item problem report'
As in customer, invoice, stock code, excess charge, Problem customer grading,
and commentary entry  

So you can monitor the profitability of each item you bought - and maybe still
have.
You can monitor customers for frequent damage, complaints 
You can monitor customer business - at a gross level, and using invoices at a
very specific level
You can easily generate summary reports of the business's processing during
whatever period you consider appropriate.


So - considerations 
Security and backup -  practical day-by-day, to put on a new system when the
store gets robbed, Auditors, tax inspectors, and courts
Access recording - I haven't included anything to do with who made the entries -
that would imply individual access and logons - maybe bar-code card or proximity
tag/card readers - and that would imply a log of every action made in the
database.  
Going to use views and access permissions by user
Going to use imbedded VBA to validate and process form entry onto the data
tables 
Back-end and multiple front-end PC's (tablets?) encryption for  connections
between the back end and front-end devices - Access run-time?
What will you be using as a database management facility when you have finished
the prototyping and development 
And - backup and recovery to address corruption of the database - Ah! Yes
wireless input ! - maybe create flat file input sets to be passed from the input
form presentation  devices back to the data store - so all updates are done as
processing input transaction set files.

JimB 



From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Fri Jul  1 22:39:18 2016
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 20:39:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Video Rental DB
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You have a point. There are other items right now that are sold and could
all be rolled into a POS / inventory system
On Jul 1, 2016 1:02 PM, "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>  You might consider going along the lines of an inventory system (that's
> what it really is anyway), with a single table for "movement".  In other
> words, all the in's and out's of a given item.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> David McAfee
> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 12:57 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Video Rental DB
>
> Hmmm, I didn't even think of creating a returns table.
>
> Great idea!
>
> Thanks,
> David
>
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> wrote:
>
> > Every time I look at a "Point of Sale" system, I think of your second
> > meaning.  It seems as
> > though that is an apt description for just about all of them. :-)
> >
> > I'd definitely put  a Status flag in tblDisks and update it based on the
> > InvoiceLine.
> >
> > Have a second table for returns which also updates the disk status.
> >
> > A Union of relevant fields from your Invoice/ Invoice lines and Receipts
> > then become your
> > history without needing to maintain additional links.
> >
> > I'd include a "Sold" flag and record the selling price as part of thh
> > Invoice line, not use a
> > separate table for sales.
> >
> > I'd probably go with a field in Title to differentiate directly between
> > games and videos, but
> > would also have appropriate entries in Genre AND Format (Xbox/PS2 etc)
> >
> >
> >
> > On 30 Jun 2016 at 14:53, David McAfee wrote:
> >
> > > Just a quick glance, that appears to be more of a software to collect
> > > a list of movies and / or music.
> > >
> > > A little back story. :)
> > >
> > > Back in February my wife (and I) bought a little retail store. In the
> > > back of the store was a video rental section.
> > >
> > > We were going to shut it down, after all who rents movies at a brick
> > > and mortar store these days? :)
> > >
> > > Well, we come to find out, a lot of people. We add at least 1 new
> > > customer per day as they find out about it.
> > >
> > > The P.O.S. (if you can call it that) for the rental side of the store
> > > is an old DOS based application running on a Windows ME or 2000
> > > system. I think POS doesn't stand for Point of Sales, it's more like
> > > Piece of Sh*t :)
> > >
> > > I could copy the flat dbase table structure thatthe software uses, but
> > > I'd like to design something a little better. I want to do it in
> > > Access first as a rapid development tool, just to show the employees
> > > my thought on how the software should work.
> > >
> > > In time, I'd like to connect to the web and/or make it a mobile app or
> > > web based software.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Fri Jul  1 22:40:35 2016
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 20:40:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Video Rental DB
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This just made my head hurt :D

Tax inspectors? Courts? :O
On Jul 1, 2016 1:55 PM, "James Button" <jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> Swift assessment of the needs  - guesswork -
> Stock item - code, title, media type, Discs in set , booklet, loan
> limitations -
> as in content type,  current reported condition, date purchased, source,
> Brand,
> cost, depreciation anticipated each year, depreciation to-date, date
> written-off
> from stock
> Customer - Account,  name, address, phone - home mobile, email, payment
> method
> and payment account - bank account (reference - and confirmation of id
> address),
> id validation presented - type and reference - social services -
> government id,
> guarantor, registered date, last borrowing date, number of borrowings  -
> problems level marker - scuffed, returned as damaged, damage admitted at
> return,
> Damage found at return, incomplete at return, payment problems - etc...
> and a
> freeform text comment area 2000 characters (warning to staff on the form
> about
> libellous entries and the possibility of them being required to justify
> their
> entries at court.)
>
> Borrowing entry - Customer account, date,  Invoice number, Billed amount,
> Excess
> charge, Paid amount , closed entry - all returned, or excess paid
> Invoice entry line - invoice number, stock code,  date out, expected loan
> duration, returned OK marker
> If not returned OK - then there will be a 'line-item problem report'
> As in customer, invoice, stock code, excess charge, Problem customer
> grading,
> and commentary entry
>
> So you can monitor the profitability of each item you bought - and maybe
> still
> have.
> You can monitor customers for frequent damage, complaints
> You can monitor customer business - at a gross level, and using invoices
> at a
> very specific level
> You can easily generate summary reports of the business's processing during
> whatever period you consider appropriate.
>
>
> So - considerations
> Security and backup -  practical day-by-day, to put on a new system when
> the
> store gets robbed, Auditors, tax inspectors, and courts
> Access recording - I haven't included anything to do with who made the
> entries -
> that would imply individual access and logons - maybe bar-code card or
> proximity
> tag/card readers - and that would imply a log of every action made in the
> database.
> Going to use views and access permissions by user
> Going to use imbedded VBA to validate and process form entry onto the data
> tables
> Back-end and multiple front-end PC's (tablets?) encryption for  connections
> between the back end and front-end devices - Access run-time?
> What will you be using as a database management facility when you have
> finished
> the prototyping and development
> And - backup and recovery to address corruption of the database - Ah! Yes
> wireless input ! - maybe create flat file input sets to be passed from the
> input
> form presentation  devices back to the data store - so all updates are
> done as
> processing input transaction set files.
>
> JimB
>
>
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From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk  Sat Jul  2 08:30:50 2016
From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 14:30:50 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Video Rental DB
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I was learnt -  by experience:
You need to be able to show enough consideration of legal needs to the 'gvmnt'
people who call on you - that they will accept you are trying to be open and
honest.
You need to have records of problems - and identify the source of those problems
You need to identify, at an early stage, what, within your business is costing
you -
But remember that loss leaders, providing there is not too much loss, may be
worth presenting, but they have to bring in covering profits on other items sold
at the same time
Also they should not just get taken as freebies by your usual customers who
would have brought you profit anyhow, and will be annoyed at seeing others get
goodies they enabled you to give away.
So - if the "Disney goes Dallas" DVD brings in customers, who also hire/buy
other profitable stuff and you can get  "Disney goes Dallas" stickers in bulk &
cheap - well maybe that's something to consider as a freebie for customers
taking 5 other - profitable items.

My lernt viewpoint - if you are going to put effort into a computer system -
then have the basic infrastructure within the facility - 
And just because it can record 'stuff' you don't have to actually have the front
end to require that 'stuff' be entered
Access being a good vehicle for prototyping - and form design - although you may
want to look at a facility designed for creating web based applications.   

Also - maybe consider a process to put data into Excel for analysis - if you
load excel 'tables' with data from the Access datastore - you can manipulate it
using the excel functions, VBA - and even SQL 


But - whatever - do, within the design and setup,  consider the systems openness
to corruption and loss of data caused by ongoing problem areas such as wireless
connection dropout.
A computer system is pointless if you cannot rely on the data being correct when
it's Analysed and summarised. 

JimB
 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David
McAfee
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 4:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Video Rental DB

This just made my head hurt :D

Tax inspectors? Courts? :O
On Jul 1, 2016 1:55 PM, "James Button" <jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> Swift assessment of the needs  - guesswork -
> Stock item - code, title, media type, Discs in set , booklet, loan
> limitations -
> as in content type,  current reported condition, date purchased, source,
> Brand,
> cost, depreciation anticipated each year, depreciation to-date, date
> written-off
> from stock
> Customer - Account,  name, address, phone - home mobile, email, payment
> method
> and payment account - bank account (reference - and confirmation of id
> address),
> id validation presented - type and reference - social services -
> government id,
> guarantor, registered date, last borrowing date, number of borrowings  -
> problems level marker - scuffed, returned as damaged, damage admitted at
> return,
> Damage found at return, incomplete at return, payment problems - etc...
> and a
> freeform text comment area 2000 characters (warning to staff on the form
> about
> libellous entries and the possibility of them being required to justify
> their
> entries at court.)
>
> Borrowing entry - Customer account, date,  Invoice number, Billed amount,
> Excess
> charge, Paid amount , closed entry - all returned, or excess paid
> Invoice entry line - invoice number, stock code,  date out, expected loan
> duration, returned OK marker
> If not returned OK - then there will be a 'line-item problem report'
> As in customer, invoice, stock code, excess charge, Problem customer
> grading,
> and commentary entry
>
> So you can monitor the profitability of each item you bought - and maybe
> still
> have.
> You can monitor customers for frequent damage, complaints
> You can monitor customer business - at a gross level, and using invoices
> at a
> very specific level
> You can easily generate summary reports of the business's processing during
> whatever period you consider appropriate.
>
>
> So - considerations
> Security and backup -  practical day-by-day, to put on a new system when
> the
> store gets robbed, Auditors, tax inspectors, and courts
> Access recording - I haven't included anything to do with who made the
> entries -
> that would imply individual access and logons - maybe bar-code card or
> proximity
> tag/card readers - and that would imply a log of every action made in the
> database.
> Going to use views and access permissions by user
> Going to use imbedded VBA to validate and process form entry onto the data
> tables
> Back-end and multiple front-end PC's (tablets?) encryption for  connections
> between the back end and front-end devices - Access run-time?
> What will you be using as a database management facility when you have
> finished
> the prototyping and development
> And - backup and recovery to address corruption of the database - Ah! Yes
> wireless input ! - maybe create flat file input sets to be passed from the
> input
> form presentation  devices back to the data store - so all updates are
> done as
> processing input transaction set files.
>
> JimB
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Jul  4 12:01:21 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 10:01:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Keyboard Shortcuts
Message-ID: <001301d1d615$b0ae3840$120aa8c0$@bchacc.com>

Dear List:

 

Having recently moved (finally) from Access 2003 to Access 2010 I'm having a
problem finding my favorite keyboard shortcuts - Align
Left/Right/Center/Top/Bottom, Horizontal/Vertical Equal Spacing,
Increase/Decrease Space for starters.  Also Form View/Design View/Code View.

 

Where have these gone?  So easy in 2003.  Annoying to have to move from
keyboard to Mouse for these.

 

MTIA

 

Rocky

 


From bensonforums at gmail.com  Mon Jul  4 13:12:52 2016
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 14:12:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Keyboard Shortcuts
In-Reply-To: <001301d1d615$b0ae3840$120aa8c0$@bchacc.com>
References: <001301d1d615$b0ae3840$120aa8c0$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_11r5vt9fTfgi2Ofo6gHZoQRWqMGnpBqVJWFTHGD5ub5Q@mail.gmail.com>

Alt OA is what I use to get things started.

On Jul 4, 2016 1:03 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Dear List:
>
>
>
> Having recently moved (finally) from Access 2003 to Access 2010 I'm having
> a
> problem finding my favorite keyboard shortcuts - Align
> Left/Right/Center/Top/Bottom, Horizontal/Vertical Equal Spacing,
> Increase/Decrease Space for starters.  Also Form View/Design View/Code
> View.
>
>
>
> Where have these gone?  So easy in 2003.  Annoying to have to move from
> keyboard to Mouse for these.
>
>
>
> MTIA
>
>
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
> --
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Jul  4 13:33:04 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 11:33:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Keyboard Shortcuts
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_11r5vt9fTfgi2Ofo6gHZoQRWqMGnpBqVJWFTHGD5ub5Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001301d1d615$b0ae3840$120aa8c0$@bchacc.com>
	<CAJLzs_11r5vt9fTfgi2Ofo6gHZoQRWqMGnpBqVJWFTHGD5ub5Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002a01d1d622$80fb73d0$82f25b70$@bchacc.com>

I had the ribbon turned off.  Having it on helps.  :)

Thx

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Bill Benson
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 11:13 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Keyboard Shortcuts

Alt OA is what I use to get things started.

On Jul 4, 2016 1:03 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Dear List:
>
>
>
> Having recently moved (finally) from Access 2003 to Access 2010 I'm 
> having a problem finding my favorite keyboard shortcuts - Align 
> Left/Right/Center/Top/Bottom, Horizontal/Vertical Equal Spacing, 
> Increase/Decrease Space for starters.  Also Form View/Design View/Code 
> View.
>
>
>
> Where have these gone?  So easy in 2003.  Annoying to have to move 
> from keyboard to Mouse for these.
>
>
>
> MTIA
>
>
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
> --
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Mon Jul  4 13:52:01 2016
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 14:52:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Keyboard Shortcuts
In-Reply-To: <002a01d1d622$80fb73d0$82f25b70$@bchacc.com>
References: <001301d1d615$b0ae3840$120aa8c0$@bchacc.com>
	<CAJLzs_11r5vt9fTfgi2Ofo6gHZoQRWqMGnpBqVJWFTHGD5ub5Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<002a01d1d622$80fb73d0$82f25b70$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_0K0q=omfT23WrM-Wf4DSJG7B_ojexwimKMh5PHyE3aBA@mail.gmail.com>

Could happen to anyone Rocky. 2010 was the last version I liked to use.
Wish I could go back. It was stable, it was complete.

On Jul 4, 2016 2:34 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> I had the ribbon turned off.  Having it on helps.  :)
>
> Thx
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Bill Benson
> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 11:13 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Keyboard Shortcuts
>
> Alt OA is what I use to get things started.
>
> On Jul 4, 2016 1:03 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear List:
> >
> >
> >
> > Having recently moved (finally) from Access 2003 to Access 2010 I'm
> > having a problem finding my favorite keyboard shortcuts - Align
> > Left/Right/Center/Top/Bottom, Horizontal/Vertical Equal Spacing,
> > Increase/Decrease Space for starters.  Also Form View/Design View/Code
> > View.
> >
> >
> >
> > Where have these gone?  So easy in 2003.  Annoying to have to move
> > from keyboard to Mouse for these.
> >
> >
> >
> > MTIA
> >
> >
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> >
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Jul  4 14:04:05 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 12:04:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Keyboard Shortcuts
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_0K0q=omfT23WrM-Wf4DSJG7B_ojexwimKMh5PHyE3aBA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001301d1d615$b0ae3840$120aa8c0$@bchacc.com>	<CAJLzs_11r5vt9fTfgi2Ofo6gHZoQRWqMGnpBqVJWFTHGD5ub5Q@mail.gmail.com>	<002a01d1d622$80fb73d0$82f25b70$@bchacc.com>
	<CAJLzs_0K0q=omfT23WrM-Wf4DSJG7B_ojexwimKMh5PHyE3aBA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003101d1d626$d62a6920$827f3b60$@bchacc.com>

As you can tell I'm in mourning for 2003. :)

r

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Bill Benson
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 11:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Keyboard Shortcuts

Could happen to anyone Rocky. 2010 was the last version I liked to use.
Wish I could go back. It was stable, it was complete.

On Jul 4, 2016 2:34 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> I had the ribbon turned off.  Having it on helps.  :)
>
> Thx
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Bill Benson
> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 11:13 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Keyboard Shortcuts
>
> Alt OA is what I use to get things started.
>
> On Jul 4, 2016 1:03 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear List:
> >
> >
> >
> > Having recently moved (finally) from Access 2003 to Access 2010 I'm 
> > having a problem finding my favorite keyboard shortcuts - Align 
> > Left/Right/Center/Top/Bottom, Horizontal/Vertical Equal Spacing, 
> > Increase/Decrease Space for starters.  Also Form View/Design 
> > View/Code View.
> >
> >
> >
> > Where have these gone?  So easy in 2003.  Annoying to have to move 
> > from keyboard to Mouse for these.
> >
> >
> >
> > MTIA
> >
> >
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Mon Jul  4 15:20:00 2016
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 16:20:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Keyboard Shortcuts
In-Reply-To: <003101d1d626$d62a6920$827f3b60$@bchacc.com>
References: <001301d1d615$b0ae3840$120aa8c0$@bchacc.com>
	<CAJLzs_11r5vt9fTfgi2Ofo6gHZoQRWqMGnpBqVJWFTHGD5ub5Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<002a01d1d622$80fb73d0$82f25b70$@bchacc.com>
	<CAJLzs_0K0q=omfT23WrM-Wf4DSJG7B_ojexwimKMh5PHyE3aBA@mail.gmail.com>
	<003101d1d626$d62a6920$827f3b60$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_3fojG1PNbqJW=1_6ME=3Ucrt3+DBXyK2+V5x26Cz=ndw@mail.gmail.com>

I don't miss 2003, but I feel for you. Change for the sake of change sux.

All 2013 brought was instability in my illiterate opinion. I have lost more
entire vba projects and seen Access run out of memory through memory leaks
with 2013 than remotely justified by my limited usage of it.

Never heard one person complain about Access 2010, not in my limited
searches. Very stable program.

On Jul 4, 2016 3:05 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> As you can tell I'm in mourning for 2003. :)
>
> r
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Bill Benson
> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 11:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Keyboard Shortcuts
>
> Could happen to anyone Rocky. 2010 was the last version I liked to use.
> Wish I could go back. It was stable, it was complete.
>
> On Jul 4, 2016 2:34 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
>
> > I had the ribbon turned off.  Having it on helps.  :)
> >
> > Thx
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> > Of Bill Benson
> > Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 11:13 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Keyboard Shortcuts
> >
> > Alt OA is what I use to get things started.
> >
> > On Jul 4, 2016 1:03 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear List:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Having recently moved (finally) from Access 2003 to Access 2010 I'm
> > > having a problem finding my favorite keyboard shortcuts - Align
> > > Left/Right/Center/Top/Bottom, Horizontal/Vertical Equal Spacing,
> > > Increase/Decrease Space for starters.  Also Form View/Design
> > > View/Code View.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Where have these gone?  So easy in 2003.  Annoying to have to move
> > > from keyboard to Mouse for these.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > MTIA
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
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> >
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Jul  4 17:11:11 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 15:11:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Keyboard Shortcuts
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_11r5vt9fTfgi2Ofo6gHZoQRWqMGnpBqVJWFTHGD5ub5Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001301d1d615$b0ae3840$120aa8c0$@bchacc.com>
	<CAJLzs_11r5vt9fTfgi2Ofo6gHZoQRWqMGnpBqVJWFTHGD5ub5Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004901d1d640$f96ebc50$ec4c34f0$@bchacc.com>

Maybe you know this one Bill - I used to have several windows open - forms,
queries, etc. - and could navigate between them with alt-W and the list of
windows would drop down and I could go from form to query, etc.

Can't seem to do that in 2010.  Do you know how? Also, closing just one
window is mysterious.  If I have two forms open and I want to save and close
that one and leave the rest open, how do I do that?

MTIA

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Bill Benson
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 11:13 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Keyboard Shortcuts

Alt OA is what I use to get things started.

On Jul 4, 2016 1:03 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Dear List:
>
>
>
> Having recently moved (finally) from Access 2003 to Access 2010 I'm 
> having a problem finding my favorite keyboard shortcuts - Align 
> Left/Right/Center/Top/Bottom, Horizontal/Vertical Equal Spacing, 
> Increase/Decrease Space for starters.  Also Form View/Design View/Code 
> View.
>
>
>
> Where have these gone?  So easy in 2003.  Annoying to have to move 
> from keyboard to Mouse for these.
>
>
>
> MTIA
>
>
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
> --
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Mon Jul  4 17:36:57 2016
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 18:36:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Keyboard Shortcuts
In-Reply-To: <004901d1d640$f96ebc50$ec4c34f0$@bchacc.com>
References: <001301d1d615$b0ae3840$120aa8c0$@bchacc.com>
	<CAJLzs_11r5vt9fTfgi2Ofo6gHZoQRWqMGnpBqVJWFTHGD5ub5Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<004901d1d640$f96ebc50$ec4c34f0$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_2cb7_X_K615eQXP60fvTKFLUi27rcb-FH93ACYRc+yCA@mail.gmail.com>

Ctrl-F4 to close an open window (with option to Save given)

I don't remember the 2010 interface but thought there is a navigation bar
on left (maybe have to look in options) and all objects as one of the modes
to view in a list.

On Jul 4, 2016 6:12 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Maybe you know this one Bill - I used to have several windows open - forms,
> queries, etc. - and could navigate between them with alt-W and the list of
> windows would drop down and I could go from form to query, etc.
>
> Can't seem to do that in 2010.  Do you know how? Also, closing just one
> window is mysterious.  If I have two forms open and I want to save and
> close
> that one and leave the rest open, how do I do that?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Bill Benson
> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 11:13 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Keyboard Shortcuts
>
> Alt OA is what I use to get things started.
>
> On Jul 4, 2016 1:03 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear List:
> >
> >
> >
> > Having recently moved (finally) from Access 2003 to Access 2010 I'm
> > having a problem finding my favorite keyboard shortcuts - Align
> > Left/Right/Center/Top/Bottom, Horizontal/Vertical Equal Spacing,
> > Increase/Decrease Space for starters.  Also Form View/Design View/Code
> > View.
> >
> >
> >
> > Where have these gone?  So easy in 2003.  Annoying to have to move
> > from keyboard to Mouse for these.
> >
> >
> >
> > MTIA
> >
> >
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> >
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Jul  5 01:23:59 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 23:23:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Keyboard Shortcuts
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_2cb7_X_K615eQXP60fvTKFLUi27rcb-FH93ACYRc+yCA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001301d1d615$b0ae3840$120aa8c0$@bchacc.com>	<CAJLzs_11r5vt9fTfgi2Ofo6gHZoQRWqMGnpBqVJWFTHGD5ub5Q@mail.gmail.com>	<004901d1d640$f96ebc50$ec4c34f0$@bchacc.com>
	<CAJLzs_2cb7_X_K615eQXP60fvTKFLUi27rcb-FH93ACYRc+yCA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005c01d1d685$d13aa150$73afe3f0$@bchacc.com>

Ah Ctrl-F4 - good one.  Takes two hands but it works! I suppose that's what
a key remammper's for.  Anybody have a preference?

r

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Bill Benson
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 3:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Keyboard Shortcuts

Ctrl-F4 to close an open window (with option to Save given)

I don't remember the 2010 interface but thought there is a navigation bar on
left (maybe have to look in options) and all objects as one of the modes to
view in a list.

On Jul 4, 2016 6:12 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Maybe you know this one Bill - I used to have several windows open - 
> forms, queries, etc. - and could navigate between them with alt-W and 
> the list of windows would drop down and I could go from form to query,
etc.
>
> Can't seem to do that in 2010.  Do you know how? Also, closing just 
> one window is mysterious.  If I have two forms open and I want to save 
> and close that one and leave the rest open, how do I do that?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Bill Benson
> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 11:13 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Keyboard Shortcuts
>
> Alt OA is what I use to get things started.
>
> On Jul 4, 2016 1:03 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear List:
> >
> >
> >
> > Having recently moved (finally) from Access 2003 to Access 2010 I'm 
> > having a problem finding my favorite keyboard shortcuts - Align 
> > Left/Right/Center/Top/Bottom, Horizontal/Vertical Equal Spacing, 
> > Increase/Decrease Space for starters.  Also Form View/Design 
> > View/Code View.
> >
> >
> >
> > Where have these gone?  So easy in 2003.  Annoying to have to move 
> > from keyboard to Mouse for these.
> >
> >
> >
> > MTIA
> >
> >
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Tue Jul  5 05:10:00 2016
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 06:10:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Keyboard Shortcuts
In-Reply-To: <005c01d1d685$d13aa150$73afe3f0$@bchacc.com>
References: <001301d1d615$b0ae3840$120aa8c0$@bchacc.com>
	<CAJLzs_11r5vt9fTfgi2Ofo6gHZoQRWqMGnpBqVJWFTHGD5ub5Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<004901d1d640$f96ebc50$ec4c34f0$@bchacc.com>
	<CAJLzs_2cb7_X_K615eQXP60fvTKFLUi27rcb-FH93ACYRc+yCA@mail.gmail.com>
	<005c01d1d685$d13aa150$73afe3f0$@bchacc.com>
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Never used a remammper. :)

Ctrl-F4 comes in mighty handy for Ac2013 closing forms in tabbef view
because they often will not close with click of the upper right hand
"x"..   another thrill with that version so you may as well get lotsa
practice now.

On Jul 5, 2016 2:25 AM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Ah Ctrl-F4 - good one.  Takes two hands but it works! I suppose that's what
> a key remammper's for.  Anybody have a preference?
>
> r
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Bill Benson
> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 3:37 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Keyboard Shortcuts
>
> Ctrl-F4 to close an open window (with option to Save given)
>
> I don't remember the 2010 interface but thought there is a navigation bar
> on
> left (maybe have to look in options) and all objects as one of the modes to
> view in a list.
>
> On Jul 4, 2016 6:12 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
>
> > Maybe you know this one Bill - I used to have several windows open -
> > forms, queries, etc. - and could navigate between them with alt-W and
> > the list of windows would drop down and I could go from form to query,
> etc.
> >
> > Can't seem to do that in 2010.  Do you know how? Also, closing just
> > one window is mysterious.  If I have two forms open and I want to save
> > and close that one and leave the rest open, how do I do that?
> >
> > MTIA
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> > Of Bill Benson
> > Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 11:13 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Keyboard Shortcuts
> >
> > Alt OA is what I use to get things started.
> >
> > On Jul 4, 2016 1:03 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear List:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Having recently moved (finally) from Access 2003 to Access 2010 I'm
> > > having a problem finding my favorite keyboard shortcuts - Align
> > > Left/Right/Center/Top/Bottom, Horizontal/Vertical Equal Spacing,
> > > Increase/Decrease Space for starters.  Also Form View/Design
> > > View/Code View.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Where have these gone?  So easy in 2003.  Annoying to have to move
> > > from keyboard to Mouse for these.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > MTIA
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
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>
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Tue Jul  5 13:36:59 2016
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 11:36:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Keyboard Shortcuts
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_1L8bd1PfLu2sY041Cg6AbCe9uQizz3zTqwHCdsPrzsQA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001301d1d615$b0ae3840$120aa8c0$@bchacc.com>
	<CAJLzs_11r5vt9fTfgi2Ofo6gHZoQRWqMGnpBqVJWFTHGD5ub5Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<004901d1d640$f96ebc50$ec4c34f0$@bchacc.com>
	<CAJLzs_2cb7_X_K615eQXP60fvTKFLUi27rcb-FH93ACYRc+yCA@mail.gmail.com>
	<005c01d1d685$d13aa150$73afe3f0$@bchacc.com>
	<CAJLzs_1L8bd1PfLu2sY041Cg6AbCe9uQizz3zTqwHCdsPrzsQA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_Ce_r5XpfwFPRe=pKvb_BauYrEX-0suKySKE-4Q4qr-w@mail.gmail.com>

They will close from the window x in 2013 if the tab is highlighted.

Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 3:10 AM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com> wrote:

> Never used a remammper. :)
>
> Ctrl-F4 comes in mighty handy for Ac2013 closing forms in tabbef view
> because they often will not close with click of the upper right hand
> "x"..   another thrill with that version so you may as well get lotsa
> practice now.
>
> On Jul 5, 2016 2:25 AM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
>
> > Ah Ctrl-F4 - good one.  Takes two hands but it works! I suppose that's
> what
> > a key remammper's for.  Anybody have a preference?
> >
> > r
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Bill Benson
> > Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 3:37 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Keyboard Shortcuts
> >
> > Ctrl-F4 to close an open window (with option to Save given)
> >
> > I don't remember the 2010 interface but thought there is a navigation bar
> > on
> > left (maybe have to look in options) and all objects as one of the modes
> to
> > view in a list.
> >
> > On Jul 4, 2016 6:12 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Maybe you know this one Bill - I used to have several windows open -
> > > forms, queries, etc. - and could navigate between them with alt-W and
> > > the list of windows would drop down and I could go from form to query,
> > etc.
> > >
> > > Can't seem to do that in 2010.  Do you know how? Also, closing just
> > > one window is mysterious.  If I have two forms open and I want to save
> > > and close that one and leave the rest open, how do I do that?
> > >
> > > MTIA
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> > > Of Bill Benson
> > > Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 11:13 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Keyboard Shortcuts
> > >
> > > Alt OA is what I use to get things started.
> > >
> > > On Jul 4, 2016 1:03 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear List:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Having recently moved (finally) from Access 2003 to Access 2010 I'm
> > > > having a problem finding my favorite keyboard shortcuts - Align
> > > > Left/Right/Center/Top/Bottom, Horizontal/Vertical Equal Spacing,
> > > > Increase/Decrease Space for starters.  Also Form View/Design
> > > > View/Code View.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Where have these gone?  So easy in 2003.  Annoying to have to move
> > > > from keyboard to Mouse for these.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > MTIA
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
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>

From bensonforums at gmail.com  Tue Jul  5 14:06:19 2016
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 15:06:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Keyboard Shortcuts
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met_Ce_r5XpfwFPRe=pKvb_BauYrEX-0suKySKE-4Q4qr-w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001301d1d615$b0ae3840$120aa8c0$@bchacc.com>
	<CAJLzs_11r5vt9fTfgi2Ofo6gHZoQRWqMGnpBqVJWFTHGD5ub5Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<004901d1d640$f96ebc50$ec4c34f0$@bchacc.com>
	<CAJLzs_2cb7_X_K615eQXP60fvTKFLUi27rcb-FH93ACYRc+yCA@mail.gmail.com>
	<005c01d1d685$d13aa150$73afe3f0$@bchacc.com>
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	<CAH+Met_Ce_r5XpfwFPRe=pKvb_BauYrEX-0suKySKE-4Q4qr-w@mail.gmail.com>
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No, happens to me all the time, they don't close. You're just lucky or I am
unlucky.

:)

On Jul 5, 2016 2:39 PM, "Charlotte Foust" <charlotte.foust at gmail.com> wrote:

> They will close from the window x in 2013 if the tab is highlighted.
>
> Charlotte Foust
> (916) 206-4336
>
> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 3:10 AM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Never used a remammper. :)
> >
> > Ctrl-F4 comes in mighty handy for Ac2013 closing forms in tabbef view
> > because they often will not close with click of the upper right hand
> > "x"..   another thrill with that version so you may as well get lotsa
> > practice now.
> >
> > On Jul 5, 2016 2:25 AM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Ah Ctrl-F4 - good one.  Takes two hands but it works! I suppose that's
> > what
> > > a key remammper's for.  Anybody have a preference?
> > >
> > > r
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > > Bill Benson
> > > Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 3:37 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Keyboard Shortcuts
> > >
> > > Ctrl-F4 to close an open window (with option to Save given)
> > >
> > > I don't remember the 2010 interface but thought there is a navigation
> bar
> > > on
> > > left (maybe have to look in options) and all objects as one of the
> modes
> > to
> > > view in a list.
> > >
> > > On Jul 4, 2016 6:12 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Maybe you know this one Bill - I used to have several windows open -
> > > > forms, queries, etc. - and could navigate between them with alt-W and
> > > > the list of windows would drop down and I could go from form to
> query,
> > > etc.
> > > >
> > > > Can't seem to do that in 2010.  Do you know how? Also, closing just
> > > > one window is mysterious.  If I have two forms open and I want to
> save
> > > > and close that one and leave the rest open, how do I do that?
> > > >
> > > > MTIA
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf
> > > > Of Bill Benson
> > > > Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 11:13 AM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Keyboard Shortcuts
> > > >
> > > > Alt OA is what I use to get things started.
> > > >
> > > > On Jul 4, 2016 1:03 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Dear List:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Having recently moved (finally) from Access 2003 to Access 2010 I'm
> > > > > having a problem finding my favorite keyboard shortcuts - Align
> > > > > Left/Right/Center/Top/Bottom, Horizontal/Vertical Equal Spacing,
> > > > > Increase/Decrease Space for starters.  Also Form View/Design
> > > > > View/Code View.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Where have these gone?  So easy in 2003.  Annoying to have to move
> > > > > from keyboard to Mouse for these.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > MTIA
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Rocky
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > >
> > > > --
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > > --
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> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
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> >
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>

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Tue Jul  5 14:40:17 2016
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 12:40:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Keyboard Shortcuts
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_0t4p69b-C3MbEMXKgU000iViBGtst2nrKTUmc=cfb3qw@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAH+Met_Ce_r5XpfwFPRe=pKvb_BauYrEX-0suKySKE-4Q4qr-w@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAH+Met-j4jjTTpVXvg01c8h2P-HBKa2s5L-uLzhYe9-Rss91Dw@mail.gmail.com>

If you right-click the tab, do you see the close option on the context menu?

Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com> wrote:

> No, happens to me all the time, they don't close. You're just lucky or I am
> unlucky.
>
> :)
>
> On Jul 5, 2016 2:39 PM, "Charlotte Foust" <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > They will close from the window x in 2013 if the tab is highlighted.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> > (916) 206-4336
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 3:10 AM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Never used a remammper. :)
> > >
> > > Ctrl-F4 comes in mighty handy for Ac2013 closing forms in tabbef view
> > > because they often will not close with click of the upper right hand
> > > "x"..   another thrill with that version so you may as well get lotsa
> > > practice now.
> > >
> > > On Jul 5, 2016 2:25 AM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ah Ctrl-F4 - good one.  Takes two hands but it works! I suppose
> that's
> > > what
> > > > a key remammper's for.  Anybody have a preference?
> > > >
>
>

From bensonforums at gmail.com  Tue Jul  5 15:36:08 2016
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 16:36:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Keyboard Shortcuts
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met-j4jjTTpVXvg01c8h2P-HBKa2s5L-uLzhYe9-Rss91Dw@mail.gmail.com>
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I cannot answer at this time. It's a bug that creeps in over time, it is
not present immediately. So when I said "all the time" that was a figure of
speech. If you disbelieve me, that is ok. I am not the only person it
happens to, it has happened to others while I was observing during a screen
share session. If/when I run into it, I will check back to this thread and
make sure I am not leaving out any of your advice and will provide an
update then. I have seen it happen when only a single form was open as
well. And as far as I know, clicking the x MAKES that form active, does it
not/

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
wrote:

> If you right-click the tab, do you see the close option on the context
> menu?
>
> Charlotte Foust
> (916) 206-4336
>
> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > No, happens to me all the time, they don't close. You're just lucky or I
> am
> > unlucky.
> >
> > :)
> >
> > On Jul 5, 2016 2:39 PM, "Charlotte Foust" <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > They will close from the window x in 2013 if the tab is highlighted.
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > > (916) 206-4336
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 3:10 AM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Never used a remammper. :)
> > > >
> > > > Ctrl-F4 comes in mighty handy for Ac2013 closing forms in tabbef view
> > > > because they often will not close with click of the upper right hand
> > > > "x"..   another thrill with that version so you may as well get lotsa
> > > > practice now.
> > > >
> > > > On Jul 5, 2016 2:25 AM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Ah Ctrl-F4 - good one.  Takes two hands but it works! I suppose
> > that's
> > > > what
> > > > > a key remammper's for.  Anybody have a preference?
> > > > >
> >
> >
> --
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Tue Jul  5 16:26:04 2016
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 14:26:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Keyboard Shortcuts
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_0dYwQxZWdWFhJDtgNbFUWG6Jtt5PaUPQ9ku9b0kKnaaQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001301d1d615$b0ae3840$120aa8c0$@bchacc.com>
	<CAJLzs_11r5vt9fTfgi2Ofo6gHZoQRWqMGnpBqVJWFTHGD5ub5Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<004901d1d640$f96ebc50$ec4c34f0$@bchacc.com>
	<CAJLzs_2cb7_X_K615eQXP60fvTKFLUi27rcb-FH93ACYRc+yCA@mail.gmail.com>
	<005c01d1d685$d13aa150$73afe3f0$@bchacc.com>
	<CAJLzs_1L8bd1PfLu2sY041Cg6AbCe9uQizz3zTqwHCdsPrzsQA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met_Ce_r5XpfwFPRe=pKvb_BauYrEX-0suKySKE-4Q4qr-w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJLzs_0t4p69b-C3MbEMXKgU000iViBGtst2nrKTUmc=cfb3qw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met-j4jjTTpVXvg01c8h2P-HBKa2s5L-uLzhYe9-Rss91Dw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJLzs_0dYwQxZWdWFhJDtgNbFUWG6Jtt5PaUPQ9ku9b0kKnaaQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9ef58u_ndPVLRWG-1cRq3he3yZ9kaKivjod6WyHLZZKA@mail.gmail.com>

>>. And as far as I know, clicking the x MAKES that form active, does it
not/

NOT.  That may be the true bug.  You have to use the tab to get the focus
set and get the object on top, then it may work on the rest of your open
objects.  If the top object actually has the focus it will close from the
x.  The focus doesn't always match the top object.

From bensonforums at gmail.com  Tue Jul  5 17:32:11 2016
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 18:32:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Keyboard Shortcuts
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	<CAJLzs_11r5vt9fTfgi2Ofo6gHZoQRWqMGnpBqVJWFTHGD5ub5Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<004901d1d640$f96ebc50$ec4c34f0$@bchacc.com>
	<CAJLzs_2cb7_X_K615eQXP60fvTKFLUi27rcb-FH93ACYRc+yCA@mail.gmail.com>
	<005c01d1d685$d13aa150$73afe3f0$@bchacc.com>
	<CAJLzs_1L8bd1PfLu2sY041Cg6AbCe9uQizz3zTqwHCdsPrzsQA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met_Ce_r5XpfwFPRe=pKvb_BauYrEX-0suKySKE-4Q4qr-w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJLzs_0t4p69b-C3MbEMXKgU000iViBGtst2nrKTUmc=cfb3qw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met-j4jjTTpVXvg01c8h2P-HBKa2s5L-uLzhYe9-Rss91Dw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJLzs_0dYwQxZWdWFhJDtgNbFUWG6Jtt5PaUPQ9ku9b0kKnaaQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met9ef58u_ndPVLRWG-1cRq3he3yZ9kaKivjod6WyHLZZKA@mail.gmail.com>
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Ok, sounds like I have been fooling myself then. Will say you have put me
on the righteous path with your advice... and report back next time I
notice this.

On Jul 5, 2016 5:27 PM, "Charlotte Foust" <charlotte.foust at gmail.com> wrote:

> >>. And as far as I know, clicking the x MAKES that form active, does it
> not/
>
> NOT.  That may be the true bug.  You have to use the tab to get the focus
> set and get the object on top, then it may work on the rest of your open
> objects.  If the top object actually has the focus it will close from the
> x.  The focus doesn't always match the top object.
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From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Wed Jul 13 09:21:32 2016
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 14:21:32 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Curious Import Problem
Message-ID: <D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA862B08348@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>

X-Posted to Access-L and Access-D

I'm posting this just as an FYI. Not seeking an explanation (though if anyone has one please post it).

Here is the story.

I'm loading a large (130,000+ row) CSV file into a staging table, where some pre-processing is done on the data, and then the whole lot is copied to the final table.

Recently the users notice some rows of data were missing.  I confirmed that they were indeed present in the original source table, but on investigating I found that they simply never made it into the staging table.

Importing was done by using

DoCmd.TransferText acImportDelim, "Name Of Import Spec", "Name of Destination Table", "Full path to CSV file", True

No error were thrown, and no Import Error tables were generated to explain the missing data.

After pondering this for a while I changed the initial import process. Instead of using DoCmd.TransferText I simply *linked* to the CVS text file, using the same import spec as I used for DoCmd.TransferText. Then I created a straightforward Append query based on the linked text file to append all the data to the staging table.  That did the trick. All rows were loaded.

Very odd.

Lambert

From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Jul 13 09:27:21 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 14:27:21 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Curious Import Problem
Message-ID: <DB6PR0601MB219899CCE38C7E60AC1741EDCA310@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Lambert

Scary, though the link and query method is the one I normally use.
Thanks for the warning.

/gustav

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Emne: [AccessD] Curious Import Problem

X-Posted to Access-L and Access-D

I'm posting this just as an FYI. Not seeking an explanation (though if anyone has one please post it).

Here is the story.

I'm loading a large (130,000+ row) CSV file into a staging table, where some pre-processing is done on the data, and then the whole lot is copied to the final table.

Recently the users notice some rows of data were missing.  I confirmed that they were indeed present in the original source table, but on investigating I found that they simply never made it into the staging table.

Importing was done by using

DoCmd.TransferText acImportDelim, "Name Of Import Spec", "Name of Destination Table", "Full path to CSV file", True

No error were thrown, and no Import Error tables were generated to explain the missing data.

After pondering this for a while I changed the initial import process. Instead of using DoCmd.TransferText I simply *linked* to the CVS text file, using the same import spec as I used for DoCmd.TransferText. Then I created a straightforward Append query based on the linked text file to append all the data to the staging table.  That did the trick. All rows were loaded.

Very odd.

Lambert 


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Jul 13 15:07:46 2016
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 16:07:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Curious Import Problem
In-Reply-To: <D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA862B08348@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>
References: <D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA862B08348@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <55bed4d1-5fd1-b269-45dd-0ca1fc27e27e@gmail.com>

If I had to guess I would say there was bad data in the rows. Missing 
fields, bad data for the column type etc.


On 7/13/2016 10:21 AM, Heenan, Lambert wrote:
> X-Posted to Access-L and Access-D
>
> I'm posting this just as an FYI. Not seeking an explanation (though if anyone has one please post it).
>
> Here is the story.
>
> I'm loading a large (130,000+ row) CSV file into a staging table, where some pre-processing is done on the data, and then the whole lot is copied to the final table.
>
> Recently the users notice some rows of data were missing.  I confirmed that they were indeed present in the original source table, but on investigating I found that they simply never made it into the staging table.
>
> Importing was done by using
>
> DoCmd.TransferText acImportDelim, "Name Of Import Spec", "Name of Destination Table", "Full path to CSV file", True
>
> No error were thrown, and no Import Error tables were generated to explain the missing data.
>
> After pondering this for a while I changed the initial import process. Instead of using DoCmd.TransferText I simply *linked* to the CVS text file, using the same import spec as I used for DoCmd.TransferText. Then I created a straightforward Append query based on the linked text file to append all the data to the staging table.  That did the trick. All rows were loaded.
>
> Very odd.
>
> Lambert

-- 
John W. Colby


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Jul 13 15:32:03 2016
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 16:32:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Curious Import Problem
In-Reply-To: <55bed4d1-5fd1-b269-45dd-0ca1fc27e27e@gmail.com>
References: <D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA862B08348@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>
	<55bed4d1-5fd1-b269-45dd-0ca1fc27e27e@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <57B89797-ADA7-46DD-8DBB-46F8DECE58CA@verizon.net>

I would think your right.   I've seen this happen when some text fields are quoted and some not and the import spec doesn't  have the quote set as a delimiter for text fields.

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 13, 2016, at 4:07 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> If I had to guess I would say there was bad data in the rows. Missing fields, bad data for the column type etc.
> 
> 
>> On 7/13/2016 10:21 AM, Heenan, Lambert wrote:
>> X-Posted to Access-L and Access-D
>> 
>> I'm posting this just as an FYI. Not seeking an explanation (though if anyone has one please post it).
>> 
>> Here is the story.
>> 
>> I'm loading a large (130,000+ row) CSV file into a staging table, where some pre-processing is done on the data, and then the whole lot is copied to the final table.
>> 
>> Recently the users notice some rows of data were missing.  I confirmed that they were indeed present in the original source table, but on investigating I found that they simply never made it into the staging table.
>> 
>> Importing was done by using
>> 
>> DoCmd.TransferText acImportDelim, "Name Of Import Spec", "Name of Destination Table", "Full path to CSV file", True
>> 
>> No error were thrown, and no Import Error tables were generated to explain the missing data.
>> 
>> After pondering this for a while I changed the initial import process. Instead of using DoCmd.TransferText I simply *linked* to the CVS text file, using the same import spec as I used for DoCmd.TransferText. Then I created a straightforward Append query based on the linked text file to append all the data to the staging table.  That did the trick. All rows were loaded.
>> 
>> Very odd.
>> 
>> Lambert
> 
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From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Thu Jul 14 08:15:11 2016
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 13:15:11 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Curious Import Problem
In-Reply-To: <57B89797-ADA7-46DD-8DBB-46F8DECE58CA@verizon.net>
References: <D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA862B08348@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>
	<55bed4d1-5fd1-b269-45dd-0ca1fc27e27e@gmail.com>
	<57B89797-ADA7-46DD-8DBB-46F8DECE58CA@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA862B0A296@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>

Jim, John and Guss:

Thanks for your interest. 

No, there appears to be absolutely nothing different in the data for the rows not loaded. The source file is a CSV file coming out of COGNOS. Don't know why the system insists on calling it "CSV", because the data is Tab delimited, not Comma Separated. The text is not quoted in any way and it is perfectly normal for some columns to be null. 

Each line is terminated with just a Line Feed character, ASCII code 10. The only thing I do to the file before importing it is to remove CR/LF pairs from a freeform text field - changing them to spaces.

Row order is not important. I always assume that the order of rows in a table is undefined. 

So it's still a mystery, although linking to the text file instead of importing it is an efficient workaround. Saves on file bloat too.

Lambert

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From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 4:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Curious Import Problem

I would think your right.   I've seen this happen when some text fields are quoted and some not and the import spec doesn't  have the quote set as a delimiter for text fields.

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 13, 2016, at 4:07 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> If I had to guess I would say there was bad data in the rows. Missing fields, bad data for the column type etc.
> 
> 
>> On 7/13/2016 10:21 AM, Heenan, Lambert wrote:
>> X-Posted to Access-L and Access-D
>> 
>> I'm posting this just as an FYI. Not seeking an explanation (though if anyone has one please post it).
>> 
>> Here is the story.
>> 
>> I'm loading a large (130,000+ row) CSV file into a staging table, where some pre-processing is done on the data, and then the whole lot is copied to the final table.
>> 
>> Recently the users notice some rows of data were missing.  I confirmed that they were indeed present in the original source table, but on investigating I found that they simply never made it into the staging table.
>> 
>> Importing was done by using
>> 
>> DoCmd.TransferText acImportDelim, "Name Of Import Spec", "Name of Destination Table", "Full path to CSV file", True
>> 
>> No error were thrown, and no Import Error tables were generated to explain the missing data.
>> 
>> After pondering this for a while I changed the initial import process. Instead of using DoCmd.TransferText I simply *linked* to the CVS text file, using the same import spec as I used for DoCmd.TransferText. Then I created a straightforward Append query based on the linked text file to append all the data to the staging table.  That did the trick. All rows were loaded.
>> 
>> Very odd.
>> 
>> Lambert
> 
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From DMcGillivray at ctc.ca.gov  Thu Jul 14 10:42:29 2016
From: DMcGillivray at ctc.ca.gov (McGillivray, Don)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 15:42:29 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Curious Import Problem
In-Reply-To: <D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA862B0A296@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>
References: <D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA862B08348@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>
	<55bed4d1-5fd1-b269-45dd-0ca1fc27e27e@gmail.com>
	<57B89797-ADA7-46DD-8DBB-46F8DECE58CA@verizon.net>
	<D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA862B0A296@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>
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You may already have thought of this, but . . .

While it seems likely that unexpected non-printable characters would cause a reportable failure in the Access import - not the loss of the entire row - in addition to the CRLFs,  it may be worth looking for tabs or other non-printable characters in your input file - especially in columns where you might not expect to find them.  

I recently had to generate a large (3 million+ rows of 300+ columns) tab delimited text file from an Oracle database, some columns of which contained free-form text.  In addition to CRLF pairs, I had to find and convert embedded tab characters from those columns.  In the course if my travails with my Oracle data set, I found one record where the value in the Middle Name column (not a column where I expected to find extraneous junk) from a single person record was followed by SIX tab characters.  WTF?! Of course every row after that one was hosed, but the size of the output file was so large I couldn't load it into my text editor to find it.  In the end I wrote a script to count the tabs in the header row and compare that number to the number of tabs in each row of the file, writing to a text file any records where the tab count differed.  That also helped me to find extraneous CRLFs in unexpected places.

Moral of the story: Don't assume that a column that shouldn't have junk doesn't have junk.  Users are endlessly creative in coming up with ways to mess up your data.

Don

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 6:15 AM
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Cc: 'ACCESS-L Email (ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM)' <ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Curious Import Problem

Jim, John and Guss:

Thanks for your interest. 

No, there appears to be absolutely nothing different in the data for the rows not loaded. The source file is a CSV file coming out of COGNOS. Don't know why the system insists on calling it "CSV", because the data is Tab delimited, not Comma Separated. The text is not quoted in any way and it is perfectly normal for some columns to be null. 

Each line is terminated with just a Line Feed character, ASCII code 10. The only thing I do to the file before importing it is to remove CR/LF pairs from a freeform text field - changing them to spaces.

Row order is not important. I always assume that the order of rows in a table is undefined. 

So it's still a mystery, although linking to the text file instead of importing it is an efficient workaround. Saves on file bloat too.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 4:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: ACCESS-L Email (ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Curious Import Problem

I would think your right.   I've seen this happen when some text fields are quoted and some not and the import spec doesn't  have the quote set as a delimiter for text fields.

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 13, 2016, at 4:07 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> If I had to guess I would say there was bad data in the rows. Missing fields, bad data for the column type etc.
> 
> 
>> On 7/13/2016 10:21 AM, Heenan, Lambert wrote:
>> X-Posted to Access-L and Access-D
>> 
>> I'm posting this just as an FYI. Not seeking an explanation (though if anyone has one please post it).
>> 
>> Here is the story.
>> 
>> I'm loading a large (130,000+ row) CSV file into a staging table, where some pre-processing is done on the data, and then the whole lot is copied to the final table.
>> 
>> Recently the users notice some rows of data were missing.  I confirmed that they were indeed present in the original source table, but on investigating I found that they simply never made it into the staging table.
>> 
>> Importing was done by using
>> 
>> DoCmd.TransferText acImportDelim, "Name Of Import Spec", "Name of Destination Table", "Full path to CSV file", True
>> 
>> No error were thrown, and no Import Error tables were generated to explain the missing data.
>> 
>> After pondering this for a while I changed the initial import process. Instead of using DoCmd.TransferText I simply *linked* to the CVS text file, using the same import spec as I used for DoCmd.TransferText. Then I created a straightforward Append query based on the linked text file to append all the data to the staging table.  That did the trick. All rows were loaded.
>> 
>> Very odd.
>> 
>> Lambert
> 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Jul 14 12:52:02 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 10:52:02 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Back End On Linux
Message-ID: <002401d1ddf8$6dbf0c40$493d24c0$@bchacc.com>

Dear List:

Can an mdb or accdb back end run on a Linux platform with the front end on a
Windows box?

 

TIA

 

Rocky

 


From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Jul 14 13:29:14 2016
From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 19:29:14 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Back End On Linux
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2 Simple questions may solve that - 
What application facility would you be running on the back-end system to manage
the data going in to and being extracted from the .mdb or .accbd file
Can that run on the Linux platform to service the links in from the front end
systems.

I suppose there are a 3 & 4, and even 5 - 
What will that cost compared with doing the action on a windows OS - even if
that is a version of the OS that will run under a Linux environment
How much effort will that take to setup, licence, run, and to maintain
What's your pay rate for the hours needed

JimB


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From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
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Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 6:52 PM
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Subject: [AccessD] Back End On Linux

Dear List:

Can an mdb or accdb back end run on a Linux platform with the front end on a
Windows box?

 

TIA

 

Rocky

 

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Jul 14 13:47:58 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 18:47:58 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Back End On Linux
Message-ID: <DB6PR0601MB2198A55C52E1EB4B8B363DA1CA320@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Rocky and Jim

If the Linux system is just a file host/share, all you need a SMB share on the Linux box, usually via Samba which these days is pretty much standard. That?s how all the NAS boxes Work.

/gustav

Fra: James Button<mailto:jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk>
Sendt: 14. juli 2016 20:27
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Back End On Linux

2 Simple questions may solve that -
What application facility would you be running on the back-end system to manage
the data going in to and being extracted from the .mdb or .accbd file
Can that run on the Linux platform to service the links in from the front end
systems.

I suppose there are a 3 & 4, and even 5 -
What will that cost compared with doing the action on a windows OS - even if
that is a version of the OS that will run under a Linux environment
How much effort will that take to setup, licence, run, and to maintain
What's your pay rate for the hours needed

JimB


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
Smolin
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 6:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Back End On Linux

Dear List:

Can an mdb or accdb back end run on a Linux platform with the front end on a
Windows box?


TIA


Rocky


From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Jul 14 14:06:50 2016
From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 20:06:50 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Back End On Linux
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Yes ? 'file hosting' is no problem ? providing the link is good ? without dropouts

 

But the post was " back end run on a" ? and to me, that implies the actual DBMS.

 

If it's just the file being held on the filestorage ? then ? As long as the link to the file is good, there is adequate on-line timeperiods, and maybe an appropriate backup and get restored copy back 'to-current-last-input' status maybe ? warm ? or at least 'just wants power-up' standby facilities ? 

heck ? for me that means:

A second PC, and the software installed on it ? 

just needing the files brought back from

the latest backup image set ? last (monthly) partitionimage, 

Yesterday's daily data sets, 

and the ongoing cloud based incrementals,

followed by email ? and whatever I was typing or copying or restructuring when the system failed.

 

A commercial database server ? well I'd expect backup images at 24 hour intervals ? and you have to 'manage' the 'back-to-current' updating of that.

Maybe email update log to a couple of stores (Gmail, Microsoftmail) every 30 minutes, or when they reach 8MB  ( bytes to comms traffic adding 15% - and avoid 10MB attachment limits) 

 

JimB   

 

From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 7:48 PM
To: James Button <jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk>; 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back End On Linux

 

Hi Rocky and Jim

 

If the Linux system is just a file host/share, all you need a SMB share on the Linux box, usually via Samba which these days is pretty much standard. That?s how all the NAS boxes Work.

 

/gustav

 

Fra: James Button <mailto:jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk> 
Sendt: 14. juli 2016 20:27
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Back End On Linux

 

2 Simple questions may solve that - 

What application facility would you be running on the back-end system to manage

the data going in to and being extracted from the .mdb or .accbd file

Can that run on the Linux platform to service the links in from the front end

systems.

 

I suppose there are a 3 & 4, and even 5 - 

What will that cost compared with doing the action on a windows OS - even if

that is a version of the OS that will run under a Linux environment

How much effort will that take to setup, licence, run, and to maintain

What's your pay rate for the hours needed

 

JimB

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky

Smolin

Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 6:52 PM

To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'

<accessd at databaseadvisors.com <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> >

Subject: [AccessD] Back End On Linux

 

Dear List:

 

Can an mdb or accdb back end run on a Linux platform with the front end on a

Windows box?

 

 

TIA

 

 

Rocky

 


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Jul 14 14:28:14 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 12:28:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Back End On Linux
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Thanks.  Will forward.  The guy who acquired my manufacturing system had the request from a prospect.  I don't actually have to do the work.  Just find the solutions. :)

R


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 11:48 AM
To: James Button; 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back End On Linux

Hi Rocky and Jim

If the Linux system is just a file host/share, all you need a SMB share on the Linux box, usually via Samba which these days is pretty much standard. That?s how all the NAS boxes Work.

/gustav

Fra: James Button<mailto:jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk>
Sendt: 14. juli 2016 20:27
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Back End On Linux

2 Simple questions may solve that -
What application facility would you be running on the back-end system to manage the data going in to and being extracted from the .mdb or .accbd file Can that run on the Linux platform to service the links in from the front end systems.

I suppose there are a 3 & 4, and even 5 - What will that cost compared with doing the action on a windows OS - even if that is a version of the OS that will run under a Linux environment How much effort will that take to setup, licence, run, and to maintain What's your pay rate for the hours needed

JimB


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 6:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Back End On Linux

Dear List:

Can an mdb or accdb back end run on a Linux platform with the front end on a Windows box?


TIA


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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Jul 14 14:58:28 2016
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 15:58:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Back End On Linux
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	<002f01d1de05$dda50fc0$98ef2f40$@bchacc.com>
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Two things though:

1. You're breaking the license agreement, or at least you were in the past.   Not sure what it reads like now with Microsofts new openness.

2.  The OS hosting the BE must support extended byte file locks ( locks on parts of the file that don't exist).  Some early NAS boxes had issues with this.

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 14, 2016, at 3:28 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks.  Will forward.  The guy who acquired my manufacturing system had the request from a prospect.  I don't actually have to do the work.  Just find the solutions. :)
> 
> R
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 11:48 AM
> To: James Button; 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back End On Linux
> 
> Hi Rocky and Jim
> 
> If the Linux system is just a file host/share, all you need a SMB share on the Linux box, usually via Samba which these days is pretty much standard. That?s how all the NAS boxes Work.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> Fra: James Button<mailto:jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk>
> Sendt: 14. juli 2016 20:27
> Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Back End On Linux
> 
> 2 Simple questions may solve that -
> What application facility would you be running on the back-end system to manage the data going in to and being extracted from the .mdb or .accbd file Can that run on the Linux platform to service the links in from the front end systems.
> 
> I suppose there are a 3 & 4, and even 5 - What will that cost compared with doing the action on a windows OS - even if that is a version of the OS that will run under a Linux environment How much effort will that take to setup, licence, run, and to maintain What's your pay rate for the hours needed
> 
> JimB
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 6:52 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: [AccessD] Back End On Linux
> 
> Dear List:
> 
> Can an mdb or accdb back end run on a Linux platform with the front end on a Windows box?
> 
> 
> TIA
> 
> 
> Rocky
> 
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Thu Jul 14 15:42:56 2016
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 16:42:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Back End On Linux
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No code actually runs in a BE, it is just a file manipulated by the 
Access Jet Engine.  Therefore the answer is "probably".  :)


On 7/14/2016 1:52 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> Dear List:
>
> Can an mdb or accdb back end run on a Linux platform with the front end on a
> Windows box?
>
>   
>
> TIA
>
>   
>
> Rocky
>
>   
>

-- 
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Thu Jul 14 23:31:50 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 23:31:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Back End On Linux
In-Reply-To: <002401d1ddf8$6dbf0c40$493d24c0$@bchacc.com>
References: <002401d1ddf8$6dbf0c40$493d24c0$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <022701d1de51$cf4b4970$6de1dc50$@winhaven.net>

I have a customer that has run a Access 97 BE mdb on a Linux NAS box since
the late 90s. Zero issues.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 12:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Back End On Linux

Dear List:

Can an mdb or accdb back end run on a Linux platform with the front end on a
Windows box?

 

TIA

 

Rocky

 

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Jul 14 23:47:50 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 21:47:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Back End On Linux
In-Reply-To: <022701d1de51$cf4b4970$6de1dc50$@winhaven.net>
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	<022701d1de51$cf4b4970$6de1dc50$@winhaven.net>
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Interesting.  Runs counter to the 'popular wisdom'.  I'll forward to my
client.

Tks

r

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John R Bartow
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 9:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back End On Linux
Importance: High

I have a customer that has run a Access 97 BE mdb on a Linux NAS box since
the late 90s. Zero issues.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 12:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Back End On Linux

Dear List:

Can an mdb or accdb back end run on a Linux platform with the front end on a
Windows box?

 

TIA

 

Rocky

 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Jul 15 10:09:51 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 09:09:51 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Back End On Linux
In-Reply-To: <002f01d1de05$dda50fc0$98ef2f40$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <407803283.31201850.1468595391588.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

I know this has already been answered but I have been running a couple of versions of MS Access on one of my Linux desktops for years, both FE and BE. I just ran them via a WINE layer.

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 12:28:14 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back End On Linux

Thanks.  Will forward.  The guy who acquired my manufacturing system had the request from a prospect.  I don't actually have to do the work.  Just find the solutions. :)

R


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 11:48 AM
To: James Button; 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back End On Linux

Hi Rocky and Jim

If the Linux system is just a file host/share, all you need a SMB share on the Linux box, usually via Samba which these days is pretty much standard. That?s how all the NAS boxes Work.

/gustav

Fra: James Button<mailto:jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk>
Sendt: 14. juli 2016 20:27
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Back End On Linux

2 Simple questions may solve that -
What application facility would you be running on the back-end system to manage the data going in to and being extracted from the .mdb or .accbd file Can that run on the Linux platform to service the links in from the front end systems.

I suppose there are a 3 & 4, and even 5 - What will that cost compared with doing the action on a windows OS - even if that is a version of the OS that will run under a Linux environment How much effort will that take to setup, licence, run, and to maintain What's your pay rate for the hours needed

JimB


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 6:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Back End On Linux

Dear List:

Can an mdb or accdb back end run on a Linux platform with the front end on a Windows box?


TIA


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Jul 15 23:22:08 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 22:22:08 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Back End On Linux
In-Reply-To: <C47005BD-355F-4358-A20E-83AE178890D1@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <649611571.31769931.1468642928806.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Where does it say, in the licensing agreement, that an owner can not run their application on another platforms?

I have been using MS Access on my Linux boxes for over 8 years. There may have been a time when MS Access did not work on the Linux OS, but I would suspect that was probably over a decade ago. For the record, Access works fine on all major Debian derivatives; Ubuntu, Mint, Mate, Zorin, Sailfish, Elementary, etc... The only issues, I found, was remembering to remove all access restrictions to the MDB directory. It should be noted that many MS Access applications have been developed for the web and virtually in every case, the internet server was a Linux box. (Of course no developer in their right mind, today, would have a MDB hosting their data on an internet server, that would be open to the public.) 

That said, I have only used Linux as a development environment and never in full production mode...also I have mostly used the system for doing initial boiler-plating an app together and nearly always completed the job using another database than the MDB. 

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 12:58:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back End On Linux

Two things though:

1. You're breaking the license agreement, or at least you were in the past.   Not sure what it reads like now with Microsofts new openness.

2.  The OS hosting the BE must support extended byte file locks ( locks on parts of the file that don't exist).  Some early NAS boxes had issues with this.

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 14, 2016, at 3:28 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks.  Will forward.  The guy who acquired my manufacturing system had the request from a prospect.  I don't actually have to do the work.  Just find the solutions. :)
> 
> R
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 11:48 AM
> To: James Button; 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back End On Linux
> 
> Hi Rocky and Jim
> 
> If the Linux system is just a file host/share, all you need a SMB share on the Linux box, usually via Samba which these days is pretty much standard. That?s how all the NAS boxes Work.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> Fra: James Button<mailto:jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk>
> Sendt: 14. juli 2016 20:27
> Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Back End On Linux
> 
> 2 Simple questions may solve that -
> What application facility would you be running on the back-end system to manage the data going in to and being extracted from the .mdb or .accbd file Can that run on the Linux platform to service the links in from the front end systems.
> 
> I suppose there are a 3 & 4, and even 5 - What will that cost compared with doing the action on a windows OS - even if that is a version of the OS that will run under a Linux environment How much effort will that take to setup, licence, run, and to maintain What's your pay rate for the hours needed
> 
> JimB
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 6:52 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: [AccessD] Back End On Linux
> 
> Dear List:
> 
> Can an mdb or accdb back end run on a Linux platform with the front end on a Windows box?
> 
> 
> TIA
> 
> 
> Rocky
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Sat Jul 16 06:00:01 2016
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 07:00:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Back End On Linux
In-Reply-To: <649611571.31769931.1468642928806.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <649611571.31769931.1468642928806.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
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The current license does not (I checked).  It currently reads "physical or virtual capable of running the software".   But in the past, it specifically stated that it must run under a Windows OS on a physical computer, which excluded emulation on a Linux.   Of course everyone ignored that, but it was done against the license terms at the time.

As far as the extended byte locking, that still holds true.  I haven't run into a NAS in a number of years that had an issue and have no clue where Linuex stands, but any time a non-Windows system is used, it's something to be aware of.    Even though it's just a BE and MSACCESS.EXE is running else where, the OS hosting the BE is not totally passive. It must be capable of taking out locks on parts of a file that don't exist and it needs to be able to handle a lot of them. The default is still 9500, which is a throwback to the Novell days, but now it's not unusual to find the limit set to 100,000 or more.

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 16, 2016, at 12:22 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
> Where does it say, in the licensing agreement, that an owner can not run their application on another platforms?
> 
> I have been using MS Access on my Linux boxes for over 8 years. There may have been a time when MS Access did not work on the Linux OS, but I would suspect that was probably over a decade ago. For the record, Access works fine on all major Debian derivatives; Ubuntu, Mint, Mate, Zorin, Sailfish, Elementary, etc... The only issues, I found, was remembering to remove all access restrictions to the MDB directory. It should be noted that many MS Access applications have been developed for the web and virtually in every case, the internet server was a Linux box. (Of course no developer in their right mind, today, would have a MDB hosting their data on an internet server, that would be open to the public.) 
> 
> That said, I have only used Linux as a development environment and never in full production mode...also I have mostly used the system for doing initial boiler-plating an app together and nearly always completed the job using another database than the MDB. 
> 
> Jim
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 12:58:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back End On Linux
> 
> Two things though:
> 
> 1. You're breaking the license agreement, or at least you were in the past.   Not sure what it reads like now with Microsofts new openness.
> 
> 2.  The OS hosting the BE must support extended byte file locks ( locks on parts of the file that don't exist).  Some early NAS boxes had issues with this.
> 
> Jim
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 14, 2016, at 3:28 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks.  Will forward.  The guy who acquired my manufacturing system had the request from a prospect.  I don't actually have to do the work.  Just find the solutions. :)
>> 
>> R
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
>> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 11:48 AM
>> To: James Button; 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back End On Linux
>> 
>> Hi Rocky and Jim
>> 
>> If the Linux system is just a file host/share, all you need a SMB share on the Linux box, usually via Samba which these days is pretty much standard. That?s how all the NAS boxes Work.
>> 
>> /gustav
>> 
>> Fra: James Button<mailto:jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk>
>> Sendt: 14. juli 2016 20:27
>> Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Back End On Linux
>> 
>> 2 Simple questions may solve that -
>> What application facility would you be running on the back-end system to manage the data going in to and being extracted from the .mdb or .accbd file Can that run on the Linux platform to service the links in from the front end systems.
>> 
>> I suppose there are a 3 & 4, and even 5 - What will that cost compared with doing the action on a windows OS - even if that is a version of the OS that will run under a Linux environment How much effort will that take to setup, licence, run, and to maintain What's your pay rate for the hours needed
>> 
>> JimB
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
>> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 6:52 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Subject: [AccessD] Back End On Linux
>> 
>> Dear List:
>> 
>> Can an mdb or accdb back end run on a Linux platform with the front end on a Windows box?
>> 
>> 
>> TIA
>> 
>> 
>> Rocky
>> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Jul 17 02:36:02 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 01:36:02 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Back End On Linux
In-Reply-To: <A2DB5EE2-3A60-4024-98F5-0577DDF1F32D@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <402929119.32378657.1468740962204.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Thanks for the answer...

Jim

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From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 4:00:01 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back End On Linux

The current license does not (I checked).  It currently reads "physical or virtual capable of running the software".   But in the past, it specifically stated that it must run under a Windows OS on a physical computer, which excluded emulation on a Linux.   Of course everyone ignored that, but it was done against the license terms at the time.

As far as the extended byte locking, that still holds true.  I haven't run into a NAS in a number of years that had an issue and have no clue where Linuex stands, but any time a non-Windows system is used, it's something to be aware of.    Even though it's just a BE and MSACCESS.EXE is running else where, the OS hosting the BE is not totally passive. It must be capable of taking out locks on parts of a file that don't exist and it needs to be able to handle a lot of them. The default is still 9500, which is a throwback to the Novell days, but now it's not unusual to find the limit set to 100,000 or more.

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 16, 2016, at 12:22 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
> Where does it say, in the licensing agreement, that an owner can not run their application on another platforms?
> 
> I have been using MS Access on my Linux boxes for over 8 years. There may have been a time when MS Access did not work on the Linux OS, but I would suspect that was probably over a decade ago. For the record, Access works fine on all major Debian derivatives; Ubuntu, Mint, Mate, Zorin, Sailfish, Elementary, etc... The only issues, I found, was remembering to remove all access restrictions to the MDB directory. It should be noted that many MS Access applications have been developed for the web and virtually in every case, the internet server was a Linux box. (Of course no developer in their right mind, today, would have a MDB hosting their data on an internet server, that would be open to the public.) 
> 
> That said, I have only used Linux as a development environment and never in full production mode...also I have mostly used the system for doing initial boiler-plating an app together and nearly always completed the job using another database than the MDB. 
> 
> Jim
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 12:58:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back End On Linux
> 
> Two things though:
> 
> 1. You're breaking the license agreement, or at least you were in the past.   Not sure what it reads like now with Microsofts new openness.
> 
> 2.  The OS hosting the BE must support extended byte file locks ( locks on parts of the file that don't exist).  Some early NAS boxes had issues with this.
> 
> Jim
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 14, 2016, at 3:28 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks.  Will forward.  The guy who acquired my manufacturing system had the request from a prospect.  I don't actually have to do the work.  Just find the solutions. :)
>> 
>> R
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
>> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 11:48 AM
>> To: James Button; 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Back End On Linux
>> 
>> Hi Rocky and Jim
>> 
>> If the Linux system is just a file host/share, all you need a SMB share on the Linux box, usually via Samba which these days is pretty much standard. That?s how all the NAS boxes Work.
>> 
>> /gustav
>> 
>> Fra: James Button<mailto:jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk>
>> Sendt: 14. juli 2016 20:27
>> Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Back End On Linux
>> 
>> 2 Simple questions may solve that -
>> What application facility would you be running on the back-end system to manage the data going in to and being extracted from the .mdb or .accbd file Can that run on the Linux platform to service the links in from the front end systems.
>> 
>> I suppose there are a 3 & 4, and even 5 - What will that cost compared with doing the action on a windows OS - even if that is a version of the OS that will run under a Linux environment How much effort will that take to setup, licence, run, and to maintain What's your pay rate for the hours needed
>> 
>> JimB
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
>> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 6:52 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Subject: [AccessD] Back End On Linux
>> 
>> Dear List:
>> 
>> Can an mdb or accdb back end run on a Linux platform with the front end on a Windows box?
>> 
>> 
>> TIA
>> 
>> 
>> Rocky
>> 
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From kost36 at otenet.gr  Wed Jul 20 13:52:34 2016
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 21:52:34 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] How to split a number...
Message-ID: <00d701d1e2b7$e2189750$a649c5f0$@otenet.gr>

Hi all,
I have a number and what I need is first to split it in the follow parts and
then to calculate as
0-15 *a
16-30 *b
31-60*c
61-120*d
121-180*e
181-999*f
>1000*g

(a - g) are different values

Any help please?
Thank's
/kostas


From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Jul 20 14:08:19 2016
From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 20:08:19 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] How to split a number...
In-Reply-To: <00d701d1e2b7$e2189750$a649c5f0$@otenet.gr>
References: <00d701d1e2b7$e2189750$a649c5f0$@otenet.gr>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAO8VDlNCBfdEkctCy61lm0HCgAAAEAAAACr8OwxCVnJBiRAg/cbx9d4BAAAAAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>

If
(x<0,"Ooh",if(x>1000,g,if(x>=181,f,choose(int(x/15),a,b,c,c,d,d,d,d,e,e,e,e))))

Note - you don't indicate if the value is integer, or float  or has any other
limitations

JimB

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kostas
Konstantinidis
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 7:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] How to split a number...

Hi all,
I have a number and what I need is first to split it in the follow parts and
then to calculate as
0-15 *a
16-30 *b
31-60*c
61-120*d
121-180*e
181-999*f
>1000*g

(a - g) are different values

Any help please?
Thank's
/kostas

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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Wed Jul 20 14:26:56 2016
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 19:26:56 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] How to split a number...
In-Reply-To: <00d701d1e2b7$e2189750$a649c5f0$@otenet.gr>
References: <00d701d1e2b7$e2189750$a649c5f0$@otenet.gr>
Message-ID: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB2949B51A@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>

What about something like this

Select Case X
	Case 0 to 15
		X * a
	Case 16 to 30
		X * b
	Case 31 to 60
		X * c
	Case 61 to 120
		X * d
	Case 121 to 180
		X * e
	Case 181 to 999
		X * f
	Case > 1000
		X * g
	Case Else
		"Error"
End Select

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kostas Konstantinidis
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 1:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] How to split a number...

Hi all,
I have a number and what I need is first to split it in the follow parts and then to calculate as
0-15 *a
16-30 *b
31-60*c
61-120*d
121-180*e
181-999*f
>1000*g

(a - g) are different values

Any help please?
Thank's
/kostas

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From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Jul 20 14:31:45 2016
From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 20:31:45 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] How to split a number...
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References: <00d701d1e2b7$e2189750$a649c5f0$@otenet.gr>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAO8VDlNCBfdEkctCy61lm0HCgAAAEAAAACr8OwxCVnJBiRAg/cbx9d4BAAAAAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAO8VDlNCBfdEkctCy61lm0HCgAAAEAAAADABsXgb3w9FuzOqZ02pocUBAAAAAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>

Ah! - I'm in Excel mode ! 

JimB

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James
Button
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 8:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to split a number...

If
(x<0,"Ooh",if(x>1000,g,if(x>=181,f,choose(int(x/15),a,b,c,c,d,d,d,d,e,e,e,e))))

Note - you don't indicate if the value is integer, or float  or has any other
limitations

JimB

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kostas
Konstantinidis
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 7:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] How to split a number...

Hi all,
I have a number and what I need is first to split it in the follow parts and
then to calculate as
0-15 *a
16-30 *b
31-60*c
61-120*d
121-180*e
181-999*f
>1000*g

(a - g) are different values

Any help please?
Thank's
/kostas

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From kost36 at otenet.gr  Wed Jul 20 14:53:03 2016
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 22:53:03 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] How to split a number...
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAO8VDlNCBfdEkctCy61lm0HCgAAAEAAAACr8OwxCVnJBiRAg/cbx9d4BAAAAAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <00d701d1e2b7$e2189750$a649c5f0$@otenet.gr>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAO8VDlNCBfdEkctCy61lm0HCgAAAEAAAACr8OwxCVnJBiRAg/cbx9d4BAAAAAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <00d801d1e2c0$551dce70$ff596b50$@otenet.gr>

James and Kaup,
May be I was no so specific
Actually I need first  to separate the fixed number 999  in 6 fixed groups
like
15
15
30
60
60
819
-----
999

If >1000*g

And then to calculate with (a-g)


Sorry
/kostas


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
James Button
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 10:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to split a number...

If
(x<0,"Ooh",if(x>1000,g,if(x>=181,f,choose(int(x/15),a,b,c,c,d,d,d,d,e,e,e,e)
)))

Note - you don't indicate if the value is integer, or float  or has any
other limitations

JimB

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Kostas Konstantinidis
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 7:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] How to split a number...

Hi all,
I have a number and what I need is first to split it in the follow parts and
then to calculate as
0-15 *a
16-30 *b
31-60*c
61-120*d
121-180*e
181-999*f
>1000*g

(a - g) are different values

Any help please?
Thank's
/kostas

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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Fri Jul 22 12:36:39 2016
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 10:36:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Date in Combo box with SQL view as rowsource returning as
	string
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWZy-654=kHXzbrfTzqVhUg1ByQVm+cnFL48iyYF-ayr9w@mail.gmail.com>

I've been updating existing queries other users have created that use
hardcoded values to use a form with a combo box.

The combo box uses a SQL view as it's row source.
The view pulls from a table:

SELECT FY, StartDate, EndDate, sFY, dFY, uFY FROM tblFiscalYears

The results are as expected
(actually the original view was simply selecting values unioned together
without a table)
1314 2013-07-01 2014-06-30 14/15 14-15 14_15
1415 2014-07-01 2015-06-30 14/15 14-15 14_15
1516 2015-07-01 2016-06-30 15/16 15-16 15_16
1617 2016-07-01 2017-06-30 16/17 16-17 16_17

Most of the queries use one of the variations of 1516, 15-16... and are
compared as text.
Today I noticed a query returning incorrect results and I found that the
2nd and 3rd (date) columns are being treated as text, rather than dates.

I tried casting as dates, but still no difference:

SELECT FY, CAST(StartDate as datetime) AS FyStartDate, CAST(EndDate as
DATETIME) AS FyEndDate, sFY, dFY, uFY FROM tblFiscalYears WITH (NOLOCK)

I even made two hidden text boxes on the form, with format set to short
date.
The on change event of the combo box populates the text boxes.

Everything I tried always results in a fail:
? forms!frmBuildCosReport!cboFY.column(1)<now()
False
? forms!frmBuildCosReport!txtFYStart < now()
False

This works:
? CDATE(forms!frmBuildCosReport!cboFY.column(1))<now()
True
But, I don't think I should have to do this (not to mention update many man
y queries).

Am I going nuts?

TIA,
David

From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Fri Jul 22 12:49:57 2016
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 18:49:57 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Date in Combo box with SQL view as rowsource
 returning as string
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWZy-654=kHXzbrfTzqVhUg1ByQVm+cnFL48iyYF-ayr9w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMhYZWZy-654=kHXzbrfTzqVhUg1ByQVm+cnFL48iyYF-ayr9w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALGJE97R9yeG_Er-Y5tcWfQbU9FJppgDvr+dQ62up=Nw7+N2hQ@mail.gmail.com>

I assume you have, but have you tried using CONVERT instead of cast

On 22 Jul 2016 18:38, "David McAfee" <davidmcafee at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've been updating existing queries other users have created that use
> hardcoded values to use a form with a combo box.
>
> The combo box uses a SQL view as it's row source.
> The view pulls from a table:
>
> SELECT FY, StartDate, EndDate, sFY, dFY, uFY FROM tblFiscalYears
>
> The results are as expected
> (actually the original view was simply selecting values unioned together
> without a table)
> 1314 2013-07-01 2014-06-30 14/15 14-15 14_15
> 1415 2014-07-01 2015-06-30 14/15 14-15 14_15
> 1516 2015-07-01 2016-06-30 15/16 15-16 15_16
> 1617 2016-07-01 2017-06-30 16/17 16-17 16_17
>
> Most of the queries use one of the variations of 1516, 15-16... and are
> compared as text.
> Today I noticed a query returning incorrect results and I found that the
> 2nd and 3rd (date) columns are being treated as text, rather than dates.
>
> I tried casting as dates, but still no difference:
>
> SELECT FY, CAST(StartDate as datetime) AS FyStartDate, CAST(EndDate as
> DATETIME) AS FyEndDate, sFY, dFY, uFY FROM tblFiscalYears WITH (NOLOCK)
>
> I even made two hidden text boxes on the form, with format set to short
> date.
> The on change event of the combo box populates the text boxes.
>
> Everything I tried always results in a fail:
> ? forms!frmBuildCosReport!cboFY.column(1)<now()
> False
> ? forms!frmBuildCosReport!txtFYStart < now()
> False
>
> This works:
> ? CDATE(forms!frmBuildCosReport!cboFY.column(1))<now()
> True
> But, I don't think I should have to do this (not to mention update many man
> y queries).
>
> Am I going nuts?
>
> TIA,
> David
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Fri Jul 22 12:59:15 2016
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 10:59:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Date in Combo box with SQL view as rowsource
 returning as string
In-Reply-To: <CALGJE97R9yeG_Er-Y5tcWfQbU9FJppgDvr+dQ62up=Nw7+N2hQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMhYZWZy-654=kHXzbrfTzqVhUg1ByQVm+cnFL48iyYF-ayr9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALGJE97R9yeG_Er-Y5tcWfQbU9FJppgDvr+dQ62up=Nw7+N2hQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWbeyySqF9mrR8kin9kUboSiu07T5SCq9LLEXp+L9myzMQ@mail.gmail.com>

I've tried:
 CONVERT(VARCHAR(10),StartDate , 101) AS FyStartDate,

Same results.

I shouldn't even have to cast or convert if it is a date field in the table.
Same with the text boxes.

I seriously think the gremlins are out to get me! :)

D

On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Paul Hartland <
paul.hartland at googlemail.com> wrote:

> I assume you have, but have you tried using CONVERT instead of cast
>
> On 22 Jul 2016 18:38, "David McAfee" <davidmcafee at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I've been updating existing queries other users have created that use
> > hardcoded values to use a form with a combo box.
> >
> > The combo box uses a SQL view as it's row source.
> > The view pulls from a table:
> >
> > SELECT FY, StartDate, EndDate, sFY, dFY, uFY FROM tblFiscalYears
> >
> > The results are as expected
> > (actually the original view was simply selecting values unioned together
> > without a table)
> > 1314 2013-07-01 2014-06-30 14/15 14-15 14_15
> > 1415 2014-07-01 2015-06-30 14/15 14-15 14_15
> > 1516 2015-07-01 2016-06-30 15/16 15-16 15_16
> > 1617 2016-07-01 2017-06-30 16/17 16-17 16_17
> >
> > Most of the queries use one of the variations of 1516, 15-16... and are
> > compared as text.
> > Today I noticed a query returning incorrect results and I found that the
> > 2nd and 3rd (date) columns are being treated as text, rather than dates.
> >
> > I tried casting as dates, but still no difference:
> >
> > SELECT FY, CAST(StartDate as datetime) AS FyStartDate, CAST(EndDate as
> > DATETIME) AS FyEndDate, sFY, dFY, uFY FROM tblFiscalYears WITH (NOLOCK)
> >
> > I even made two hidden text boxes on the form, with format set to short
> > date.
> > The on change event of the combo box populates the text boxes.
> >
> > Everything I tried always results in a fail:
> > ? forms!frmBuildCosReport!cboFY.column(1)<now()
> > False
> > ? forms!frmBuildCosReport!txtFYStart < now()
> > False
> >
> > This works:
> > ? CDATE(forms!frmBuildCosReport!cboFY.column(1))<now()
> > True
> > But, I don't think I should have to do this (not to mention update many
> man
> > y queries).
> >
> > Am I going nuts?
> >
> > TIA,
> > David
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Fri Jul 22 13:18:54 2016
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 11:18:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Date in Combo box with SQL view as rowsource
 returning as string
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWbeyySqF9mrR8kin9kUboSiu07T5SCq9LLEXp+L9myzMQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMhYZWZy-654=kHXzbrfTzqVhUg1ByQVm+cnFL48iyYF-ayr9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALGJE97R9yeG_Er-Y5tcWfQbU9FJppgDvr+dQ62up=Nw7+N2hQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMhYZWbeyySqF9mrR8kin9kUboSiu07T5SCq9LLEXp+L9myzMQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWaGQ=VCpCAvTs750PuRPRhqzEpisTeZGwKk0qUQknj8Mw@mail.gmail.com>

I even tried this on the OnChange event of the combo box:
Me.txtFYStart = CDate(Me.cboFY.Column(1))
Me.txtFYEnd = CDate(Me.cboFY.Column(2))

And the results:
? forms!frmBuildCosReport!txtFYStart < now()
False


I swear, I've never HAD to do this in queries before:
? CDATE(forms!frmBuildCosReport!txtFYStart) < now()
True


Oh well, off to modify queries with CDate()...


On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 10:59 AM, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I've tried:
>  CONVERT(VARCHAR(10),StartDate , 101) AS FyStartDate,
>
> Same results.
>
> I shouldn't even have to cast or convert if it is a date field in the
> table.
> Same with the text boxes.
>
> I seriously think the gremlins are out to get me! :)
>
> D
>
> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Paul Hartland <
> paul.hartland at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> I assume you have, but have you tried using CONVERT instead of cast
>>
>> On 22 Jul 2016 18:38, "David McAfee" <davidmcafee at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I've been updating existing queries other users have created that use
>> > hardcoded values to use a form with a combo box.
>> >
>> > The combo box uses a SQL view as it's row source.
>> > The view pulls from a table:
>> >
>> > SELECT FY, StartDate, EndDate, sFY, dFY, uFY FROM tblFiscalYears
>> >
>> > The results are as expected
>> > (actually the original view was simply selecting values unioned together
>> > without a table)
>> > 1314 2013-07-01 2014-06-30 14/15 14-15 14_15
>> > 1415 2014-07-01 2015-06-30 14/15 14-15 14_15
>> > 1516 2015-07-01 2016-06-30 15/16 15-16 15_16
>> > 1617 2016-07-01 2017-06-30 16/17 16-17 16_17
>> >
>> > Most of the queries use one of the variations of 1516, 15-16... and are
>> > compared as text.
>> > Today I noticed a query returning incorrect results and I found that the
>> > 2nd and 3rd (date) columns are being treated as text, rather than dates.
>> >
>> > I tried casting as dates, but still no difference:
>> >
>> > SELECT FY, CAST(StartDate as datetime) AS FyStartDate, CAST(EndDate as
>> > DATETIME) AS FyEndDate, sFY, dFY, uFY FROM tblFiscalYears WITH (NOLOCK)
>> >
>> > I even made two hidden text boxes on the form, with format set to short
>> > date.
>> > The on change event of the combo box populates the text boxes.
>> >
>> > Everything I tried always results in a fail:
>> > ? forms!frmBuildCosReport!cboFY.column(1)<now()
>> > False
>> > ? forms!frmBuildCosReport!txtFYStart < now()
>> > False
>> >
>> > This works:
>> > ? CDATE(forms!frmBuildCosReport!cboFY.column(1))<now()
>> > True
>> > But, I don't think I should have to do this (not to mention update many
>> man
>> > y queries).
>> >
>> > Am I going nuts?
>> >
>> > TIA,
>> > David
>> > --
>> > AccessD mailing list
>> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> >
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>

From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Fri Jul 22 13:23:46 2016
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 19:23:46 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Date in Combo box with SQL view as rowsource
 returning as string
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWbeyySqF9mrR8kin9kUboSiu07T5SCq9LLEXp+L9myzMQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMhYZWZy-654=kHXzbrfTzqVhUg1ByQVm+cnFL48iyYF-ayr9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALGJE97R9yeG_Er-Y5tcWfQbU9FJppgDvr+dQ62up=Nw7+N2hQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMhYZWbeyySqF9mrR8kin9kUboSiu07T5SCq9LLEXp+L9myzMQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALGJE963fVhNaY_=r1hddHQHCPvCPbpzgKjVA5OLWuHoA3T5gw@mail.gmail.com>

In that case I reckon it must have something to do with one or more of the
union queries not converting or casting correctly, but out on town at
moment so cant do any testing, if you want to send me sample data and the
query offline, would be happy to look at it, my email is
paul.hartland at googlemail.com

On 22 Jul 2016 19:00, "David McAfee" <davidmcafee at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've tried:
>  CONVERT(VARCHAR(10),StartDate , 101) AS FyStartDate,
>
> Same results.
>
> I shouldn't even have to cast or convert if it is a date field in the
> table.
> Same with the text boxes.
>
> I seriously think the gremlins are out to get me! :)
>
> D
>
> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Paul Hartland <
> paul.hartland at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > I assume you have, but have you tried using CONVERT instead of cast
> >
> > On 22 Jul 2016 18:38, "David McAfee" <davidmcafee at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I've been updating existing queries other users have created that use
> > > hardcoded values to use a form with a combo box.
> > >
> > > The combo box uses a SQL view as it's row source.
> > > The view pulls from a table:
> > >
> > > SELECT FY, StartDate, EndDate, sFY, dFY, uFY FROM tblFiscalYears
> > >
> > > The results are as expected
> > > (actually the original view was simply selecting values unioned
> together
> > > without a table)
> > > 1314 2013-07-01 2014-06-30 14/15 14-15 14_15
> > > 1415 2014-07-01 2015-06-30 14/15 14-15 14_15
> > > 1516 2015-07-01 2016-06-30 15/16 15-16 15_16
> > > 1617 2016-07-01 2017-06-30 16/17 16-17 16_17
> > >
> > > Most of the queries use one of the variations of 1516, 15-16... and are
> > > compared as text.
> > > Today I noticed a query returning incorrect results and I found that
> the
> > > 2nd and 3rd (date) columns are being treated as text, rather than
> dates.
> > >
> > > I tried casting as dates, but still no difference:
> > >
> > > SELECT FY, CAST(StartDate as datetime) AS FyStartDate, CAST(EndDate as
> > > DATETIME) AS FyEndDate, sFY, dFY, uFY FROM tblFiscalYears WITH (NOLOCK)
> > >
> > > I even made two hidden text boxes on the form, with format set to short
> > > date.
> > > The on change event of the combo box populates the text boxes.
> > >
> > > Everything I tried always results in a fail:
> > > ? forms!frmBuildCosReport!cboFY.column(1)<now()
> > > False
> > > ? forms!frmBuildCosReport!txtFYStart < now()
> > > False
> > >
> > > This works:
> > > ? CDATE(forms!frmBuildCosReport!cboFY.column(1))<now()
> > > True
> > > But, I don't think I should have to do this (not to mention update many
> > man
> > > y queries).
> > >
> > > Am I going nuts?
> > >
> > > TIA,
> > > David
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
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> >
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Jul 22 14:02:24 2016
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 12:02:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Date in Combo box with SQL view as rowsource
 returning as string
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWaGQ=VCpCAvTs750PuRPRhqzEpisTeZGwKk0qUQknj8Mw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMhYZWZy-654=kHXzbrfTzqVhUg1ByQVm+cnFL48iyYF-ayr9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALGJE97R9yeG_Er-Y5tcWfQbU9FJppgDvr+dQ62up=Nw7+N2hQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMhYZWbeyySqF9mrR8kin9kUboSiu07T5SCq9LLEXp+L9myzMQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMhYZWaGQ=VCpCAvTs750PuRPRhqzEpisTeZGwKk0qUQknj8Mw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met-DPr08aNKDgy-ZR5M8RyFLfcVkO8_5cd9EBM9tgAwD8w@mail.gmail.com>

Comboboxes normally return strings when you reference other than their
bound column.  In the later versions of Access, you can't necessarily get
away with inferring a datatype.  But unless you're using the time portion
of Now(), you would be better off using Date() for your comparison.

Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 11:18 AM, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I even tried this on the OnChange event of the combo box:
> Me.txtFYStart = CDate(Me.cboFY.Column(1))
> Me.txtFYEnd = CDate(Me.cboFY.Column(2))
>
> And the results:
> ? forms!frmBuildCosReport!txtFYStart < now()
> False
>
>
> I swear, I've never HAD to do this in queries before:
> ? CDATE(forms!frmBuildCosReport!txtFYStart) < now()
> True
>
>
> Oh well, off to modify queries with CDate()...
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 10:59 AM, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I've tried:
> >  CONVERT(VARCHAR(10),StartDate , 101) AS FyStartDate,
> >
> > Same results.
> >
> > I shouldn't even have to cast or convert if it is a date field in the
> > table.
> > Same with the text boxes.
> >
> > I seriously think the gremlins are out to get me! :)
> >
> > D
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Paul Hartland <
> > paul.hartland at googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I assume you have, but have you tried using CONVERT instead of cast
> >>
> >> On 22 Jul 2016 18:38, "David McAfee" <davidmcafee at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I've been updating existing queries other users have created that use
> >> > hardcoded values to use a form with a combo box.
> >> >
> >> > The combo box uses a SQL view as it's row source.
> >> > The view pulls from a table:
> >> >
> >> > SELECT FY, StartDate, EndDate, sFY, dFY, uFY FROM tblFiscalYears
> >> >
> >> > The results are as expected
> >> > (actually the original view was simply selecting values unioned
> together
> >> > without a table)
> >> > 1314 2013-07-01 2014-06-30 14/15 14-15 14_15
> >> > 1415 2014-07-01 2015-06-30 14/15 14-15 14_15
> >> > 1516 2015-07-01 2016-06-30 15/16 15-16 15_16
> >> > 1617 2016-07-01 2017-06-30 16/17 16-17 16_17
> >> >
> >> > Most of the queries use one of the variations of 1516, 15-16... and
> are
> >> > compared as text.
> >> > Today I noticed a query returning incorrect results and I found that
> the
> >> > 2nd and 3rd (date) columns are being treated as text, rather than
> dates.
> >> >
> >> > I tried casting as dates, but still no difference:
> >> >
> >> > SELECT FY, CAST(StartDate as datetime) AS FyStartDate, CAST(EndDate as
> >> > DATETIME) AS FyEndDate, sFY, dFY, uFY FROM tblFiscalYears WITH
> (NOLOCK)
> >> >
> >> > I even made two hidden text boxes on the form, with format set to
> short
> >> > date.
> >> > The on change event of the combo box populates the text boxes.
> >> >
> >> > Everything I tried always results in a fail:
> >> > ? forms!frmBuildCosReport!cboFY.column(1)<now()
> >> > False
> >> > ? forms!frmBuildCosReport!txtFYStart < now()
> >> > False
> >> >
> >> > This works:
> >> > ? CDATE(forms!frmBuildCosReport!cboFY.column(1))<now()
> >> > True
> >> > But, I don't think I should have to do this (not to mention update
> many
> >> man
> >> > y queries).
> >> >
> >> > Am I going nuts?
> >> >
> >> > TIA,
> >> > David
> >> > --
> >> > AccessD mailing list
> >> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >> >
> >> --
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> >>
> >
> >
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Fri Jul 22 15:05:32 2016
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 16:05:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Date in Combo box with SQL view as rowsource
 returning as string
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWZy-654=kHXzbrfTzqVhUg1ByQVm+cnFL48iyYF-ayr9w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMhYZWZy-654=kHXzbrfTzqVhUg1ByQVm+cnFL48iyYF-ayr9w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1b7069d7-8223-2afa-166a-937efbe8ab02@gmail.com>

Is the data in sql server?  It appears to be so.  Run the query direct 
in sql server and get it running there.


On 7/22/2016 1:36 PM, David McAfee wrote:
> I've been updating existing queries other users have created that use
> hardcoded values to use a form with a combo box.
>
> The combo box uses a SQL view as it's row source.
> The view pulls from a table:
>
> SELECT FY, StartDate, EndDate, sFY, dFY, uFY FROM tblFiscalYears
>
> The results are as expected
> (actually the original view was simply selecting values unioned together
> without a table)
> 1314 2013-07-01 2014-06-30 14/15 14-15 14_15
> 1415 2014-07-01 2015-06-30 14/15 14-15 14_15
> 1516 2015-07-01 2016-06-30 15/16 15-16 15_16
> 1617 2016-07-01 2017-06-30 16/17 16-17 16_17
>
> Most of the queries use one of the variations of 1516, 15-16... and are
> compared as text.
> Today I noticed a query returning incorrect results and I found that the
> 2nd and 3rd (date) columns are being treated as text, rather than dates.
>
> I tried casting as dates, but still no difference:
>
> SELECT FY, CAST(StartDate as datetime) AS FyStartDate, CAST(EndDate as
> DATETIME) AS FyEndDate, sFY, dFY, uFY FROM tblFiscalYears WITH (NOLOCK)
>
> I even made two hidden text boxes on the form, with format set to short
> date.
> The on change event of the combo box populates the text boxes.
>
> Everything I tried always results in a fail:
> ? forms!frmBuildCosReport!cboFY.column(1)<now()
> False
> ? forms!frmBuildCosReport!txtFYStart < now()
> False
>
> This works:
> ? CDATE(forms!frmBuildCosReport!cboFY.column(1))<now()
> True
> But, I don't think I should have to do this (not to mention update many man
> y queries).
>
> Am I going nuts?
>
> TIA,
> David

-- 
John W. Colby


From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Fri Jul 22 16:08:01 2016
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 14:08:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Date in Combo box with SQL view as rowsource
 returning as string
In-Reply-To: <1b7069d7-8223-2afa-166a-937efbe8ab02@gmail.com>
References: <CAMhYZWZy-654=kHXzbrfTzqVhUg1ByQVm+cnFL48iyYF-ayr9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<1b7069d7-8223-2afa-166a-937efbe8ab02@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWb2gctT5OJigu2Tpy=yX7rx_8jn_p8QPfqup2yohmZ18g@mail.gmail.com>

I will eventually, it's me going through 200+ queries right now that are
hardcoded with date values.

I want to turn this manual mess into an SSIS package or even just a
scheduled SQL job(s)

I used to love Access, but I hate the QBE more and more each day. :)

SSMS is so much better.



On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 1:05 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> Is the data in sql server?  It appears to be so.  Run the query direct in
> sql server and get it running there.
>
>
>
> On 7/22/2016 1:36 PM, David McAfee wrote:
>
>> I've been updating existing queries other users have created that use
>> hardcoded values to use a form with a combo box.
>>
>> The combo box uses a SQL view as it's row source.
>> The view pulls from a table:
>>
>> SELECT FY, StartDate, EndDate, sFY, dFY, uFY FROM tblFiscalYears
>>
>> The results are as expected
>> (actually the original view was simply selecting values unioned together
>> without a table)
>> 1314 2013-07-01 2014-06-30 14/15 14-15 14_15
>> 1415 2014-07-01 2015-06-30 14/15 14-15 14_15
>> 1516 2015-07-01 2016-06-30 15/16 15-16 15_16
>> 1617 2016-07-01 2017-06-30 16/17 16-17 16_17
>>
>> Most of the queries use one of the variations of 1516, 15-16... and are
>> compared as text.
>> Today I noticed a query returning incorrect results and I found that the
>> 2nd and 3rd (date) columns are being treated as text, rather than dates.
>>
>> I tried casting as dates, but still no difference:
>>
>> SELECT FY, CAST(StartDate as datetime) AS FyStartDate, CAST(EndDate as
>> DATETIME) AS FyEndDate, sFY, dFY, uFY FROM tblFiscalYears WITH (NOLOCK)
>>
>> I even made two hidden text boxes on the form, with format set to short
>> date.
>> The on change event of the combo box populates the text boxes.
>>
>> Everything I tried always results in a fail:
>> ? forms!frmBuildCosReport!cboFY.column(1)<now()
>> False
>> ? forms!frmBuildCosReport!txtFYStart < now()
>> False
>>
>> This works:
>> ? CDATE(forms!frmBuildCosReport!cboFY.column(1))<now()
>> True
>> But, I don't think I should have to do this (not to mention update many
>> man
>> y queries).
>>
>> Am I going nuts?
>>
>> TIA,
>> David
>>
>
> --
> John W. Colby
>
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Jul 22 16:50:57 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 07:50:57 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Date in Combo box with SQL view as rowsource
	returning as string
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met-DPr08aNKDgy-ZR5M8RyFLfcVkO8_5cd9EBM9tgAwD8w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMhYZWZy-654=kHXzbrfTzqVhUg1ByQVm+cnFL48iyYF-ayr9w@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAMhYZWaGQ=VCpCAvTs750PuRPRhqzEpisTeZGwKk0qUQknj8Mw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAH+Met-DPr08aNKDgy-ZR5M8RyFLfcVkO8_5cd9EBM9tgAwD8w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <57929541.26342.451FC10@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

My thought too - Comboboxes and listboxes (as opposed to listviews) are rows of textboxes.  
The don't have underlying bound values of other data types.  

The alternative would be to use:

Format$(Me.txtFYStart,"yyyy-mm-dd") = Me.cboFY.Column(1)
and 
? forms!frmBuildCosReport!cboFY.column(1)<Format$(now(),"yyyy-mm-dd")

-- 
Stuart

On 22 Jul 2016 at 12:02, Charlotte Foust wrote:

> Comboboxes normally return strings when you reference other than their
> bound column.  In the later versions of Access, you can't necessarily
> get away with inferring a datatype.  But unless you're using the time
> portion of Now(), you would be better off using Date() for your
> comparison.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> (916) 206-4336
> 
> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 11:18 AM, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > I even tried this on the OnChange event of the combo box:
> > Me.txtFYStart = CDate(Me.cboFY.Column(1))
> > Me.txtFYEnd = CDate(Me.cboFY.Column(2))
> >
> > And the results:
> > ? forms!frmBuildCosReport!txtFYStart < now()
> > False
> >
> >
> > I swear, I've never HAD to do this in queries before:
> > ? CDATE(forms!frmBuildCosReport!txtFYStart) < now()
> > True
> >
> >
> > Oh well, off to modify queries with CDate()...
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 10:59 AM, David McAfee
> > <davidmcafee at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I've tried:
> > >  CONVERT(VARCHAR(10),StartDate , 101) AS FyStartDate,
> > >
> > > Same results.
> > >
> > > I shouldn't even have to cast or convert if it is a date field in
> > > the table. Same with the text boxes.
> > >
> > > I seriously think the gremlins are out to get me! :)
> > >
> > > D
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Paul Hartland <
> > > paul.hartland at googlemail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I assume you have, but have you tried using CONVERT instead of
> > >> cast
> > >>
> > >> On 22 Jul 2016 18:38, "David McAfee" <davidmcafee at gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > I've been updating existing queries other users have created
> > >> > that use hardcoded values to use a form with a combo box.
> > >> >
> > >> > The combo box uses a SQL view as it's row source.
> > >> > The view pulls from a table:
> > >> >
> > >> > SELECT FY, StartDate, EndDate, sFY, dFY, uFY FROM
> > >> > tblFiscalYears
> > >> >
> > >> > The results are as expected
> > >> > (actually the original view was simply selecting values unioned
> > together
> > >> > without a table)
> > >> > 1314 2013-07-01 2014-06-30 14/15 14-15 14_15
> > >> > 1415 2014-07-01 2015-06-30 14/15 14-15 14_15
> > >> > 1516 2015-07-01 2016-06-30 15/16 15-16 15_16
> > >> > 1617 2016-07-01 2017-06-30 16/17 16-17 16_17
> > >> >
> > >> > Most of the queries use one of the variations of 1516, 15-16...
> > >> > and
> > are
> > >> > compared as text.
> > >> > Today I noticed a query returning incorrect results and I found
> > >> > that
> > the
> > >> > 2nd and 3rd (date) columns are being treated as text, rather
> > >> > than
> > dates.
> > >> >
> > >> > I tried casting as dates, but still no difference:
> > >> >
> > >> > SELECT FY, CAST(StartDate as datetime) AS FyStartDate,
> > >> > CAST(EndDate as DATETIME) AS FyEndDate, sFY, dFY, uFY FROM
> > >> > tblFiscalYears WITH
> > (NOLOCK)
> > >> >
> > >> > I even made two hidden text boxes on the form, with format set
> > >> > to
> > short
> > >> > date.
> > >> > The on change event of the combo box populates the text boxes.
> > >> >
> > >> > Everything I tried always results in a fail:
> > >> > ? forms!frmBuildCosReport!cboFY.column(1)<now()
> > >> > False
> > >> > ? forms!frmBuildCosReport!txtFYStart < now()
> > >> > False
> > >> >
> > >> > This works:
> > >> > ? CDATE(forms!frmBuildCosReport!cboFY.column(1))<now()
> > >> > True
> > >> > But, I don't think I should have to do this (not to mention
> > >> > update
> > many
> > >> man
> > >> > y queries).
> > >> >
> > >> > Am I going nuts?
> > >> >
> > >> > TIA,
> > >> > David
> > >> > --
> > >> > AccessD mailing list
> > >> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >> >
> > >> --
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> > >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >>
> > >
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Fri Jul 22 18:28:50 2016
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 16:28:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Date in Combo box with SQL view as rowsource
 returning as string
In-Reply-To: <57929541.26342.451FC10@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
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	<CAMhYZWaGQ=VCpCAvTs750PuRPRhqzEpisTeZGwKk0qUQknj8Mw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met-DPr08aNKDgy-ZR5M8RyFLfcVkO8_5cd9EBM9tgAwD8w@mail.gmail.com>
	<57929541.26342.451FC10@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWbzroxX_=cARZ00v+Q2dtSf=NU5C7xgXhkgn8=ckS2uug@mail.gmail.com>

ahhh, thank goodness for this code snippet:

SELECT DISTINCT MSysObjects.Name, MSysQueries.Expression
FROM MSysQueries INNER JOIN MSysObjects ON MSysQueries.ObjectId =
MSysObjects.Id
WHERE (((MSysQueries.Expression) Like "*" & "frmBuild" & "*"));

Shows me where I referenced my form in all my queries in the database.  :)


On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
wrote:

> My thought too - Comboboxes and listboxes (as opposed to listviews) are
> rows of textboxes.
> The don't have underlying bound values of other data types.
>
> The alternative would be to use:
>
> Format$(Me.txtFYStart,"yyyy-mm-dd") = Me.cboFY.Column(1)
> and
> ? forms!frmBuildCosReport!cboFY.column(1)<Format$(now(),"yyyy-mm-dd")
>
> --
> Stuart
>
> On 22 Jul 2016 at 12:02, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>
> > Comboboxes normally return strings when you reference other than their
> > bound column.  In the later versions of Access, you can't necessarily
> > get away with inferring a datatype.  But unless you're using the time
> > portion of Now(), you would be better off using Date() for your
> > comparison.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> > (916) 206-4336
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 11:18 AM, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I even tried this on the OnChange event of the combo box:
> > > Me.txtFYStart = CDate(Me.cboFY.Column(1))
> > > Me.txtFYEnd = CDate(Me.cboFY.Column(2))
> > >
> > > And the results:
> > > ? forms!frmBuildCosReport!txtFYStart < now()
> > > False
> > >
> > >
> > > I swear, I've never HAD to do this in queries before:
> > > ? CDATE(forms!frmBuildCosReport!txtFYStart) < now()
> > > True
> > >
> > >
> > > Oh well, off to modify queries with CDate()...
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 10:59 AM, David McAfee
> > > <davidmcafee at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I've tried:
> > > >  CONVERT(VARCHAR(10),StartDate , 101) AS FyStartDate,
> > > >
> > > > Same results.
> > > >
> > > > I shouldn't even have to cast or convert if it is a date field in
> > > > the table. Same with the text boxes.
> > > >
> > > > I seriously think the gremlins are out to get me! :)
> > > >
> > > > D
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Paul Hartland <
> > > > paul.hartland at googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I assume you have, but have you tried using CONVERT instead of
> > > >> cast
> > > >>
> > > >> On 22 Jul 2016 18:38, "David McAfee" <davidmcafee at gmail.com>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > I've been updating existing queries other users have created
> > > >> > that use hardcoded values to use a form with a combo box.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The combo box uses a SQL view as it's row source.
> > > >> > The view pulls from a table:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > SELECT FY, StartDate, EndDate, sFY, dFY, uFY FROM
> > > >> > tblFiscalYears
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The results are as expected
> > > >> > (actually the original view was simply selecting values unioned
> > > together
> > > >> > without a table)
> > > >> > 1314 2013-07-01 2014-06-30 14/15 14-15 14_15
> > > >> > 1415 2014-07-01 2015-06-30 14/15 14-15 14_15
> > > >> > 1516 2015-07-01 2016-06-30 15/16 15-16 15_16
> > > >> > 1617 2016-07-01 2017-06-30 16/17 16-17 16_17
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Most of the queries use one of the variations of 1516, 15-16...
> > > >> > and
> > > are
> > > >> > compared as text.
> > > >> > Today I noticed a query returning incorrect results and I found
> > > >> > that
> > > the
> > > >> > 2nd and 3rd (date) columns are being treated as text, rather
> > > >> > than
> > > dates.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I tried casting as dates, but still no difference:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > SELECT FY, CAST(StartDate as datetime) AS FyStartDate,
> > > >> > CAST(EndDate as DATETIME) AS FyEndDate, sFY, dFY, uFY FROM
> > > >> > tblFiscalYears WITH
> > > (NOLOCK)
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I even made two hidden text boxes on the form, with format set
> > > >> > to
> > > short
> > > >> > date.
> > > >> > The on change event of the combo box populates the text boxes.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Everything I tried always results in a fail:
> > > >> > ? forms!frmBuildCosReport!cboFY.column(1)<now()
> > > >> > False
> > > >> > ? forms!frmBuildCosReport!txtFYStart < now()
> > > >> > False
> > > >> >
> > > >> > This works:
> > > >> > ? CDATE(forms!frmBuildCosReport!cboFY.column(1))<now()
> > > >> > True
> > > >> > But, I don't think I should have to do this (not to mention
> > > >> > update
> > > many
> > > >> man
> > > >> > y queries).
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Am I going nuts?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > TIA,
> > > >> > David
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From bradm at blackforestltd.com  Mon Jul 25 06:39:36 2016
From: bradm at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 11:39:36 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Need to Selectively Suppress Page Break on Access 2007
	Report
Message-ID: <BY2PR05MB18937D6A93103D34AA85D24DCF0D0@BY2PR05MB1893.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

All,

We have an Access 2007 Report that has a Page Break set up in a report Footer on a field called Part-ID.
This produces a report which has a new page for each Part.

Recently our uses have asked that we suppress this page break in certain circumstances.  They would like to have some parts shown on the same page, even though the Part-IDs differ.

Is there a way to suppress a page break with a little VBA code?

Thanks,

Brad


From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Jul 25 07:22:19 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 12:22:19 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Need to Selectively Suppress Page Break on Access
	2007	Report
In-Reply-To: <BY2PR05MB18937D6A93103D34AA85D24DCF0D0@BY2PR05MB1893.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BY2PR05MB18937D6A93103D34AA85D24DCF0D0@BY2PR05MB1893.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <HE1PR0601MB2202D4903C6B230A6BC7A58CCA0D0@HE1PR0601MB2202.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Brad

Yes, set it's property Visible to false.

/gustav
________________________________________
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Sendt: 25. juli 2016 13:39:36
Til: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Emne: [AccessD] Need to Selectively Suppress Page Break on Access 2007  Report

All,

We have an Access 2007 Report that has a Page Break set up in a report Footer on a field called Part-ID.
This produces a report which has a new page for each Part.

Recently our uses have asked that we suppress this page break in certain circumstances.  They would like to have some parts shown on the same page, even though the Part-IDs differ.

Is there a way to suppress a page break with a little VBA code?

Thanks,

Brad

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Jul 25 15:55:54 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 13:55:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A+ S+ N+
Message-ID: <029e01d1e6b6$efe1bd00$cfa53700$@bchacc.com>

A friend who is trying to switch careers to IT asks me:

 

Hey Rockster

 

Just found out that S+ certification requires N+ but N+ does NOT require A+
certification. 

 

So, should I bother taking the A+? Thinking prolly no. You?

 

 

But I don't know the cert stuff.  Any opinions out there.

 

TIA

 

Rocky

 


From bradm at blackforestltd.com  Mon Jul 25 22:23:06 2016
From: bradm at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 03:23:06 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Need to Selectively Suppress Page Break on
	Access	2007	Report
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR0601MB2202D4903C6B230A6BC7A58CCA0D0@HE1PR0601MB2202.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BY2PR05MB18937D6A93103D34AA85D24DCF0D0@BY2PR05MB1893.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>,
	<HE1PR0601MB2202D4903C6B230A6BC7A58CCA0D0@HE1PR0601MB2202.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BY2PR05MB1893015356429B06BFF6C462CF0E0@BY2PR05MB1893.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Gustav,


Thanks for the help.


Brad


________________________________
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 7:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need to Selectively Suppress Page Break on Access 2007 Report

Hi Brad

Yes, set it's property Visible to false.

/gustav
________________________________________
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Sendt: 25. juli 2016 13:39:36
Til: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Emne: [AccessD] Need to Selectively Suppress Page Break on Access 2007  Report

All,

We have an Access 2007 Report that has a Page Break set up in a report Footer on a field called Part-ID.
This produces a report which has a new page for each Part.

Recently our uses have asked that we suppress this page break in certain circumstances.  They would like to have some parts shown on the same page, even though the Part-IDs differ.

Is there a way to suppress a page break with a little VBA code?

Thanks,

Brad

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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Tue Jul 26 01:07:05 2016
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 02:07:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Need to Selectively Suppress Page Break on Access
	2007 Report
In-Reply-To: <BY2PR05MB1893015356429B06BFF6C462CF0E0@BY2PR05MB1893.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BY2PR05MB18937D6A93103D34AA85D24DCF0D0@BY2PR05MB1893.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
	<HE1PR0601MB2202D4903C6B230A6BC7A58CCA0D0@HE1PR0601MB2202.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<BY2PR05MB1893015356429B06BFF6C462CF0E0@BY2PR05MB1893.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_0ifCUXETG5m8JA7XLfMZ3oukK-xVyDd5QsT5UA=at5Vw@mail.gmail.com>

I've read this has been around since A97, yet I have never had a need for
it. When do you apply it? In a report event of some kind?

On Jul 25, 2016 11:24 PM, "Brad Marks" <bradm at blackforestltd.com> wrote:

> Gustav,
>
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
>
> Brad
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of Gustav
> Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>
> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 7:22 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need to Selectively Suppress Page Break on Access
> 2007 Report
>
> Hi Brad
>
> Yes, set it's property Visible to false.
>
> /gustav
> ________________________________________
> Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Brad
> Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com>
> Sendt: 25. juli 2016 13:39:36
> Til: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Emne: [AccessD] Need to Selectively Suppress Page Break on Access 2007
> Report
>
> All,
>
> We have an Access 2007 Report that has a Page Break set up in a report
> Footer on a field called Part-ID.
> This produces a report which has a new page for each Part.
>
> Recently our uses have asked that we suppress this page break in certain
> circumstances.  They would like to have some parts shown on the same page,
> even though the Part-IDs differ.
>
> Is there a way to suppress a page break with a little VBA code?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brad
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Jul 26 01:41:00 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 16:41:00 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Need to Selectively Suppress Page Break on Access
	2007 Report
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_0ifCUXETG5m8JA7XLfMZ3oukK-xVyDd5QsT5UA=at5Vw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BY2PR05MB18937D6A93103D34AA85D24DCF0D0@BY2PR05MB1893.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>,
	<BY2PR05MB1893015356429B06BFF6C462CF0E0@BY2PR05MB1893.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>,
	<CAJLzs_0ifCUXETG5m8JA7XLfMZ3oukK-xVyDd5QsT5UA=at5Vw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <579705FC.11653.6BFA537@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

You can drop it on a report at any place that you want a page break. I sometimes find it 
useful to put one in front of a Subreport in a detail section so that it starts on a new page.

Generally it allows you to control the pagination in a report where each  record needs to 
covers multiple pages.



On 26 Jul 2016 at 2:07, Bill Benson wrote:

> I've read this has been around since A97, yet I have never had a need
> for it. When do you apply it? In a report event of some kind?
> 
> On Jul 25, 2016 11:24 PM, "Brad Marks" <bradm at blackforestltd.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > Gustav,
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the help.
> >
> >
> > Brad
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of
> > Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 7:22 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need to
> > Selectively Suppress Page Break on Access 2007 Report
> >
> > Hi Brad
> >
> > Yes, set it's property Visible to false.
> >
> > /gustav
> > ________________________________________
> > Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af
> > Brad Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com> Sendt: 25. juli 2016 13:39:36
> > Til: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Emne: [AccessD] Need to
> > Selectively Suppress Page Break on Access 2007 Report
> >
> > All,
> >
> > We have an Access 2007 Report that has a Page Break set up in a
> > report Footer on a field called Part-ID. This produces a report
> > which has a new page for each Part.
> >
> > Recently our uses have asked that we suppress this page break in
> > certain circumstances.  They would like to have some parts shown on
> > the same page, even though the Part-IDs differ.
> >
> > Is there a way to suppress a page break with a little VBA code?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Brad
> >
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Tue Jul 26 04:43:41 2016
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 05:43:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Need to Selectively Suppress Page Break on Access
	2007 Report
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	<BY2PR05MB1893015356429B06BFF6C462CF0E0@BY2PR05MB1893.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAJLzs_0ifCUXETG5m8JA7XLfMZ3oukK-xVyDd5QsT5UA=at5Vw@mail.gmail.com>
	<579705FC.11653.6BFA537@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
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Meant when does one toggle the visible property

On Jul 26, 2016 2:42 AM, "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:

You can drop it on a report at any place that you want a page break. I
sometimes find it
useful to put one in front of a Subreport in a detail section so that it
starts on a new page.

Generally it allows you to control the pagination in a report where each
record needs to
covers multiple pages.



On 26 Jul 2016 at 2:07, Bill Benson wrote:

> I've read this has been around since A97, yet I have never had a need
> for it. When do you apply it? In a report event of some kind?
>
> On Jul 25, 2016 11:24 PM, "Brad Marks" <bradm at blackforestltd.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Gustav,
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the help.
> >
> >
> > Brad
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of
> > Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 7:22 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need to
> > Selectively Suppress Page Break on Access 2007 Report
> >
> > Hi Brad
> >
> > Yes, set it's property Visible to false.
> >
> > /gustav
> > ________________________________________
> > Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af
> > Brad Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com> Sendt: 25. juli 2016 13:39:36
> > Til: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Emne: [AccessD] Need to
> > Selectively Suppress Page Break on Access 2007 Report
> >
> > All,
> >
> > We have an Access 2007 Report that has a Page Break set up in a
> > report Footer on a field called Part-ID. This produces a report
> > which has a new page for each Part.
> >
> > Recently our uses have asked that we suppress this page break in
> > certain circumstances.  They would like to have some parts shown on
> > the same page, even though the Part-IDs differ.
> >
> > Is there a way to suppress a page break with a little VBA code?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Brad
> >
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Jul 26 05:44:47 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 10:44:47 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Need to Selectively Suppress Page Break on Access
 2007 Report
Message-ID: <HE1PR0601MB22026A4F24ABFB45BBA86B47CA0E0@HE1PR0601MB2202.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Brad 

When to use it? Well, didn't your users tell:

> to suppress this page break in certain circumstances.  

So you just have to clear up those "circumstances".

I can't remember when I last used the feature. Perhaps never.

/gustav

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Emne: Re: [AccessD] Need to Selectively Suppress Page Break on Access 2007 Report

Hi Brad

Yes, set it's property Visible to false.

/gustav
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Emne: [AccessD] Need to Selectively Suppress Page Break on Access 2007  Report

All,

We have an Access 2007 Report that has a Page Break set up in a report Footer on a field called Part-ID.
This produces a report which has a new page for each Part.

Recently our uses have asked that we suppress this page break in certain circumstances.  They would like to have some parts shown on the same page, even though the Part-IDs differ.

Is there a way to suppress a page break with a little VBA code?

Thanks,

Brad 


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Jul 26 06:26:36 2016
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 07:26:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Need to Selectively Suppress Page Break on
 Access	2007 Report
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 The OnFormat event of a section.

Jim. 

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Bill Benson
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 05:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need to Selectively Suppress Page Break on Access
2007 Report

Meant when does one toggle the visible property

On Jul 26, 2016 2:42 AM, "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:

You can drop it on a report at any place that you want a page break. I
sometimes find it
useful to put one in front of a Subreport in a detail section so that it
starts on a new page.

Generally it allows you to control the pagination in a report where each
record needs to
covers multiple pages.



On 26 Jul 2016 at 2:07, Bill Benson wrote:

> I've read this has been around since A97, yet I have never had a need
> for it. When do you apply it? In a report event of some kind?
>
> On Jul 25, 2016 11:24 PM, "Brad Marks" <bradm at blackforestltd.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Gustav,
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the help.
> >
> >
> > Brad
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of
> > Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 7:22 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need to
> > Selectively Suppress Page Break on Access 2007 Report
> >
> > Hi Brad
> >
> > Yes, set it's property Visible to false.
> >
> > /gustav
> > ________________________________________
> > Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af
> > Brad Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com> Sendt: 25. juli 2016 13:39:36
> > Til: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Emne: [AccessD] Need to
> > Selectively Suppress Page Break on Access 2007 Report
> >
> > All,
> >
> > We have an Access 2007 Report that has a Page Break set up in a
> > report Footer on a field called Part-ID. This produces a report
> > which has a new page for each Part.
> >
> > Recently our uses have asked that we suppress this page break in
> > certain circumstances.  They would like to have some parts shown on
> > the same page, even though the Part-IDs differ.
> >
> > Is there a way to suppress a page break with a little VBA code?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Brad
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Tue Jul 26 06:35:57 2016
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 07:35:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Need to Selectively Suppress Page Break on Access
	2007 Report
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1st I don't think Brad asked, I did.

Next what I am asking Nd not breaking through here js, in what event does
one intercept page breaks to sometimes allow them or not, ie,
detail_format? _print?  Some page related event? I have never needed it but
if you never want it to get used you just wouldn't put it on the report at
all. So in what event would you make a decision to sometimes apply or
sometimes not.

I don't really care all that much, I was curious.

On Jul 26, 2016 6:46 AM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Brad
>
> When to use it? Well, didn't your users tell:
>
> > to suppress this page break in certain circumstances.
>
> So you just have to clear up those "circumstances".
>
> I can't remember when I last used the feature. Perhaps never.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af
> Gustav Brock
> Sendt: 25. juli 2016 14:22
> Til: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Need to Selectively Suppress Page Break on Access 2007
> Report
>
> Hi Brad
>
> Yes, set it's property Visible to false.
>
> /gustav
> ________________________________________
> Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Brad
> Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com>
> Sendt: 25. juli 2016 13:39:36
> Til: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Emne: [AccessD] Need to Selectively Suppress Page Break on Access 2007
> Report
>
> All,
>
> We have an Access 2007 Report that has a Page Break set up in a report
> Footer on a field called Part-ID.
> This produces a report which has a new page for each Part.
>
> Recently our uses have asked that we suppress this page break in certain
> circumstances.  They would like to have some parts shown on the same page,
> even though the Part-IDs differ.
>
> Is there a way to suppress a page break with a little VBA code?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brad
>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Jul 28 07:32:01 2016
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 08:32:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access web app
Message-ID: <000401d1e8cc$0b6054d0$2220fe70$@gmail.com>

Hi! 

 

I need to chage a one-to-many relationship to a many-to-many relationship to
a small Web app - I know. I don't want to hear any crap from you guys! :) 

 

I don't have to do it, I'm the only one using it so I could bypass this and
just dump the additional data in a memo field or something but I want to do
it right and I might get an article out of it - worth pursuing at this
point. 

 

I haven't read about it or attempted it yet, but I'm assuming I'll use an
associate table, the same way I would in a desktop app? Anyone done this in
a web app (using 2016). 

 

Susan H. 


From ewaldt at gdls.com  Thu Jul 28 07:48:15 2016
From: ewaldt at gdls.com (ewaldt at gdls.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 08:48:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Date in Combo box with SQL view as rowsource
	returning as string
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Re: Date in Combo box with SQL view as rowsource returning as string

Sorry to be simplistic, but you have tried surrounding the date with pound 
signs, right?

Tom Ewald
Mass Properties
General Dynamics Land Systems

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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Thu Jul 28 13:00:03 2016
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 11:00:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access web app
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Susan,

Utter Access has a very active forum on web databases. That is where I'd go
for answers if you want info from folks who use Web databases. I tried for
an Access Web app for a  client a few years ago and got good info on this
forum. Was using Access 2010 and didn't like what we ended up with so
abandoned that approach and went back to networked client Access
application. I am probably biased as I build web sites and application using
asp.net and that is my web tool of choice.

Doug

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Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 5:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access web app

Hi! 

 

I need to chage a one-to-many relationship to a many-to-many relationship to
a small Web app - I know. I don't want to hear any crap from you guys! :) 

 

I don't have to do it, I'm the only one using it so I could bypass this and
just dump the additional data in a memo field or something but I want to do
it right and I might get an article out of it - worth pursuing at this
point. 

 

I haven't read about it or attempted it yet, but I'm assuming I'll use an
associate table, the same way I would in a desktop app? Anyone done this in
a web app (using 2016). 

 

Susan H. 

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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Thu Jul 28 13:07:40 2016
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 11:07:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Date in Combo box with SQL view as rowsource
 returning as string
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Yup.

I tried pound signs and apostrophes.

I ended up using that script that I posted to list all occurences for the
form reference.
It turns out I was using CDate() around my form references on most of my
queries.

On the occasions that I didn't, there didn't seem to be a row count
difference of the query results.

Maybe Jet infers the data as a date and VBA doesn't.

Thanks,
David

On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 5:48 AM, <ewaldt at gdls.com> wrote:

> Re: Date in Combo box with SQL view as rowsource returning as string
>
> Sorry to be simplistic, but you have tried surrounding the date with pound
> signs, right?
>
> Tom Ewald
> Mass Properties
> General Dynamics Land Systems
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