From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Mar 2 10:54:45 2016 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2016 08:54:45 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] ORDER BY in a Union Query Message-ID: <4E3DD87F0FC14E4DA48EAB19782AE53D@HAL9007> Dear List: I have a rather complicated UNION query, made up of three queries. It becomes the row source for a combo box and lists the CPA courses offered by three different organization types - Firms, Societies, and Associations. It's working now except for the order by. I put the Order By clause in the first query as you can see but it doesn't order correctly. I put it into a separate query for testing and it doesn't order by Course, Date, Organization, Type, and City. When I run it as a query it orders by the Course ID - the first field selected. Here's the query which I have broken up into three sections for easier reading. So how do I get the UNION of these three queries to order correctly? MTIA Rocky SELECT DISTINCT tblAccountingFirmCourseOfferings.fldAFCourseOfferingID, tblCourses.fldCourseName AS Course, tblAccountingFirmCourseOfferings.fldAFCourseOfferingDate AS [Date], tblAccountingFirm.fldAFName AS Organization, "Firm" AS Type, tblAccountingFirmCourseOfferings.fldAFCourseOfferingCity AS City FROM (tblCourses RIGHT JOIN tblAccountingFirmCourseOfferings ON tblCourses.fldCourseID = tblAccountingFirmCourseOfferings.fldCourseID) INNER JOIN tblAccountingFirm ON tblAccountingFirmCourseOfferings.fldAccountingFirmID = tblAccountingFirm.fldAccountingFirmID WHERE (((tblCourses.fldCourseName) Is Not Null) And ((tblAccountingFirm.fldAFName) Is Not Null)) ORDER BY tblCourses.fldCourseName, tblAccountingFirmCourseOfferings.fldAFCourseOfferingDate, tblAccountingFirm.fldAFName UNION SELECT DISTINCT tblSocietyCourseOfferings.fldSocietyCourseOfferingID, tblCourses.fldCourseName AS Course, tblSocietyCourseOfferings.fldSocietyCourseOfferingDate AS [Date], tblSociety.fldSocietyName AS Organization, "Society" AS Type, tblSocietyCourseOfferings.fldSocietyCourseOfferingCity AS City FROM tblSociety RIGHT JOIN (tblCourses RIGHT JOIN tblSocietyCourseOfferings ON tblCourses.fldCourseID = tblSocietyCourseOfferings.fldCourseID) ON tblSociety.fldSocietyID = tblSocietyCourseOfferings.fldSocietyID WHERE (((tblCourses.fldCourseName) Is Not Null) And ((tblSociety.fldSocietyName) Is Not Null)) UNION SELECT DISTINCT tblAssociationCourseOfferings.fldAssociationCourseOfferingID, tblCourses.fldCourseName AS Course, tblAssociationCourseOfferings.fldAssocCourseOfferingDate AS [Date], tblAssociation.fldAssocName AS Organization, "Association" AS Type, tblAssociationCourseOfferings.fldAssocCourseOfferingCity AS City FROM (tblAssociation INNER JOIN tblAssociationCourseOfferings ON tblAssociation.fldAssociationID = tblAssociationCourseOfferings.fldAssociationID) INNER JOIN tblCourses ON tblAssociationCourseOfferings.fldCourseID = tblCourses.fldCourseID WHERE (((tblCourses.fldCourseName) Is Not Null) And ((tblAssociation.fldAssocName) Is Not Null)) From DMcGillivray at ctc.ca.gov Wed Mar 2 11:13:50 2016 From: DMcGillivray at ctc.ca.gov (McGillivray, Don) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2016 17:13:50 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] ORDER BY in a Union Query In-Reply-To: <4E3DD87F0FC14E4DA48EAB19782AE53D@HAL9007> References: <4E3DD87F0FC14E4DA48EAB19782AE53D@HAL9007> Message-ID: Hi Rocky, The Order By clause has to come AFTER all of the unions, and may refer to the sort column(s) by name (as defined in the initial query of the union) or number. So you should remove the Order By clause from the initial query, and add it to the end of the third one. If you alias the columns in the initial query, your Order By clause can refer to the aliases, or you can just use the column names (not qualified by the table names) of the initial query. You can also refer to them by an ordinal (1, 2, 3, etc., where the number equals the number of the column(s) to be ordered.) Hoping this helps. Don -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2016 8:55 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] ORDER BY in a Union Query Dear List: I have a rather complicated UNION query, made up of three queries. It becomes the row source for a combo box and lists the CPA courses offered by three different organization types - Firms, Societies, and Associations. It's working now except for the order by. I put the Order By clause in the first query as you can see but it doesn't order correctly. I put it into a separate query for testing and it doesn't order by Course, Date, Organization, Type, and City. When I run it as a query it orders by the Course ID - the first field selected. Here's the query which I have broken up into three sections for easier reading. So how do I get the UNION of these three queries to order correctly? MTIA Rocky SELECT DISTINCT tblAccountingFirmCourseOfferings.fldAFCourseOfferingID, tblCourses.fldCourseName AS Course, tblAccountingFirmCourseOfferings.fldAFCourseOfferingDate AS [Date], tblAccountingFirm.fldAFName AS Organization, "Firm" AS Type, tblAccountingFirmCourseOfferings.fldAFCourseOfferingCity AS City FROM (tblCourses RIGHT JOIN tblAccountingFirmCourseOfferings ON tblCourses.fldCourseID = tblAccountingFirmCourseOfferings.fldCourseID) INNER JOIN tblAccountingFirm ON tblAccountingFirmCourseOfferings.fldAccountingFirmID = tblAccountingFirm.fldAccountingFirmID WHERE (((tblCourses.fldCourseName) Is Not Null) And ((tblAccountingFirm.fldAFName) Is Not Null)) ORDER BY tblCourses.fldCourseName, tblAccountingFirmCourseOfferings.fldAFCourseOfferingDate, tblAccountingFirm.fldAFName UNION SELECT DISTINCT tblSocietyCourseOfferings.fldSocietyCourseOfferingID, tblCourses.fldCourseName AS Course, tblSocietyCourseOfferings.fldSocietyCourseOfferingDate AS [Date], tblSociety.fldSocietyName AS Organization, "Society" AS Type, tblSocietyCourseOfferings.fldSocietyCourseOfferingCity AS City FROM tblSociety RIGHT JOIN (tblCourses RIGHT JOIN tblSocietyCourseOfferings ON tblCourses.fldCourseID = tblSocietyCourseOfferings.fldCourseID) ON tblSociety.fldSocietyID = tblSocietyCourseOfferings.fldSocietyID WHERE (((tblCourses.fldCourseName) Is Not Null) And ((tblSociety.fldSocietyName) Is Not Null)) UNION SELECT DISTINCT tblAssociationCourseOfferings.fldAssociationCourseOfferingID, tblCourses.fldCourseName AS Course, tblAssociationCourseOfferings.fldAssocCourseOfferingDate AS [Date], tblAssociation.fldAssocName AS Organization, "Association" AS Type, tblAssociationCourseOfferings.fldAssocCourseOfferingCity AS City FROM (tblAssociation INNER JOIN tblAssociationCourseOfferings ON tblAssociation.fldAssociationID = tblAssociationCourseOfferings.fldAssociationID) INNER JOIN tblCourses ON tblAssociationCourseOfferings.fldCourseID = tblCourses.fldCourseID WHERE (((tblCourses.fldCourseName) Is Not Null) And ((tblAssociation.fldAssocName) Is Not Null)) -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From DMcGillivray at ctc.ca.gov Wed Mar 2 11:22:19 2016 From: DMcGillivray at ctc.ca.gov (McGillivray, Don) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2016 17:22:19 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] ORDER BY in a Union Query In-Reply-To: References: <4E3DD87F0FC14E4DA48EAB19782AE53D@HAL9007> Message-ID: Doh. Only just noticed that you already aliased your columns. Just refer to the aliases in the Order By clause and you should be good to go. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray, Don Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2016 9:14 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] ORDER BY in a Union Query Hi Rocky, The Order By clause has to come AFTER all of the unions, and may refer to the sort column(s) by name (as defined in the initial query of the union) or number. So you should remove the Order By clause from the initial query, and add it to the end of the third one. If you alias the columns in the initial query, your Order By clause can refer to the aliases, or you can just use the column names (not qualified by the table names) of the initial query. You can also refer to them by an ordinal (1, 2, 3, etc., where the number equals the number of the column(s) to be ordered.) Hoping this helps. Don -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2016 8:55 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] ORDER BY in a Union Query Dear List: I have a rather complicated UNION query, made up of three queries. It becomes the row source for a combo box and lists the CPA courses offered by three different organization types - Firms, Societies, and Associations. It's working now except for the order by. I put the Order By clause in the first query as you can see but it doesn't order correctly. I put it into a separate query for testing and it doesn't order by Course, Date, Organization, Type, and City. When I run it as a query it orders by the Course ID - the first field selected. Here's the query which I have broken up into three sections for easier reading. So how do I get the UNION of these three queries to order correctly? MTIA Rocky SELECT DISTINCT tblAccountingFirmCourseOfferings.fldAFCourseOfferingID, tblCourses.fldCourseName AS Course, tblAccountingFirmCourseOfferings.fldAFCourseOfferingDate AS [Date], tblAccountingFirm.fldAFName AS Organization, "Firm" AS Type, tblAccountingFirmCourseOfferings.fldAFCourseOfferingCity AS City FROM (tblCourses RIGHT JOIN tblAccountingFirmCourseOfferings ON tblCourses.fldCourseID = tblAccountingFirmCourseOfferings.fldCourseID) INNER JOIN tblAccountingFirm ON tblAccountingFirmCourseOfferings.fldAccountingFirmID = tblAccountingFirm.fldAccountingFirmID WHERE (((tblCourses.fldCourseName) Is Not Null) And ((tblAccountingFirm.fldAFName) Is Not Null)) ORDER BY tblCourses.fldCourseName, tblAccountingFirmCourseOfferings.fldAFCourseOfferingDate, tblAccountingFirm.fldAFName UNION SELECT DISTINCT tblSocietyCourseOfferings.fldSocietyCourseOfferingID, tblCourses.fldCourseName AS Course, tblSocietyCourseOfferings.fldSocietyCourseOfferingDate AS [Date], tblSociety.fldSocietyName AS Organization, "Society" AS Type, tblSocietyCourseOfferings.fldSocietyCourseOfferingCity AS City FROM tblSociety RIGHT JOIN (tblCourses RIGHT JOIN tblSocietyCourseOfferings ON tblCourses.fldCourseID = tblSocietyCourseOfferings.fldCourseID) ON tblSociety.fldSocietyID = tblSocietyCourseOfferings.fldSocietyID WHERE (((tblCourses.fldCourseName) Is Not Null) And ((tblSociety.fldSocietyName) Is Not Null)) UNION SELECT DISTINCT tblAssociationCourseOfferings.fldAssociationCourseOfferingID, tblCourses.fldCourseName AS Course, tblAssociationCourseOfferings.fldAssocCourseOfferingDate AS [Date], tblAssociation.fldAssocName AS Organization, "Association" AS Type, tblAssociationCourseOfferings.fldAssocCourseOfferingCity AS City FROM (tblAssociation INNER JOIN tblAssociationCourseOfferings ON tblAssociation.fldAssociationID = tblAssociationCourseOfferings.fldAssociationID) INNER JOIN tblCourses ON tblAssociationCourseOfferings.fldCourseID = tblCourses.fldCourseID WHERE (((tblCourses.fldCourseName) Is Not Null) And ((tblAssociation.fldAssocName) Is Not Null)) -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Mar 2 11:23:14 2016 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2016 09:23:14 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] ORDER BY in a Union Query In-Reply-To: References: <4E3DD87F0FC14E4DA48EAB19782AE53D@HAL9007> Message-ID: Don: Using the field names from the first query didn't work BUT, using the aliases DID! Thanks. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray, Don Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2016 9:14 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] ORDER BY in a Union Query Hi Rocky, The Order By clause has to come AFTER all of the unions, and may refer to the sort column(s) by name (as defined in the initial query of the union) or number. So you should remove the Order By clause from the initial query, and add it to the end of the third one. If you alias the columns in the initial query, your Order By clause can refer to the aliases, or you can just use the column names (not qualified by the table names) of the initial query. You can also refer to them by an ordinal (1, 2, 3, etc., where the number equals the number of the column(s) to be ordered.) Hoping this helps. Don -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2016 8:55 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] ORDER BY in a Union Query Dear List: I have a rather complicated UNION query, made up of three queries. It becomes the row source for a combo box and lists the CPA courses offered by three different organization types - Firms, Societies, and Associations. It's working now except for the order by. I put the Order By clause in the first query as you can see but it doesn't order correctly. I put it into a separate query for testing and it doesn't order by Course, Date, Organization, Type, and City. When I run it as a query it orders by the Course ID - the first field selected. Here's the query which I have broken up into three sections for easier reading. So how do I get the UNION of these three queries to order correctly? MTIA Rocky SELECT DISTINCT tblAccountingFirmCourseOfferings.fldAFCourseOfferingID, tblCourses.fldCourseName AS Course, tblAccountingFirmCourseOfferings.fldAFCourseOfferingDate AS [Date], tblAccountingFirm.fldAFName AS Organization, "Firm" AS Type, tblAccountingFirmCourseOfferings.fldAFCourseOfferingCity AS City FROM (tblCourses RIGHT JOIN tblAccountingFirmCourseOfferings ON tblCourses.fldCourseID = tblAccountingFirmCourseOfferings.fldCourseID) INNER JOIN tblAccountingFirm ON tblAccountingFirmCourseOfferings.fldAccountingFirmID = tblAccountingFirm.fldAccountingFirmID WHERE (((tblCourses.fldCourseName) Is Not Null) And ((tblAccountingFirm.fldAFName) Is Not Null)) ORDER BY tblCourses.fldCourseName, tblAccountingFirmCourseOfferings.fldAFCourseOfferingDate, tblAccountingFirm.fldAFName UNION SELECT DISTINCT tblSocietyCourseOfferings.fldSocietyCourseOfferingID, tblCourses.fldCourseName AS Course, tblSocietyCourseOfferings.fldSocietyCourseOfferingDate AS [Date], tblSociety.fldSocietyName AS Organization, "Society" AS Type, tblSocietyCourseOfferings.fldSocietyCourseOfferingCity AS City FROM tblSociety RIGHT JOIN (tblCourses RIGHT JOIN tblSocietyCourseOfferings ON tblCourses.fldCourseID = tblSocietyCourseOfferings.fldCourseID) ON tblSociety.fldSocietyID = tblSocietyCourseOfferings.fldSocietyID WHERE (((tblCourses.fldCourseName) Is Not Null) And ((tblSociety.fldSocietyName) Is Not Null)) UNION SELECT DISTINCT tblAssociationCourseOfferings.fldAssociationCourseOfferingID, tblCourses.fldCourseName AS Course, tblAssociationCourseOfferings.fldAssocCourseOfferingDate AS [Date], tblAssociation.fldAssocName AS Organization, "Association" AS Type, tblAssociationCourseOfferings.fldAssocCourseOfferingCity AS City FROM (tblAssociation INNER JOIN tblAssociationCourseOfferings ON tblAssociation.fldAssociationID = tblAssociationCourseOfferings.fldAssociationID) INNER JOIN tblCourses ON tblAssociationCourseOfferings.fldCourseID = tblCourses.fldCourseID WHERE (((tblCourses.fldCourseName) Is Not Null) And ((tblAssociation.fldAssocName) Is Not Null)) -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 11:39:57 2016 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2016 12:39:57 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Unbound control in continuous form Message-ID: <00cb01d174aa$8a698ad0$9f3ca070$@gmail.com> Is it still impossible to add an unbound control to a continuous form? I want an unbound control that stores a different value for each record - it's been a while, but that wasn't possible in earlier versions. The unbound control updated for all records. I'm assuming it's still the same. I know there are workarounds to get what I want, but I thought I'd ask just in case there's something new. Susan H. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Mar 2 12:21:40 2016 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2016 10:21:40 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Unbound control in continuous form In-Reply-To: <00cb01d174aa$8a698ad0$9f3ca070$@gmail.com> References: <00cb01d174aa$8a698ad0$9f3ca070$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3D871963B095461BA2AD5E5A759BF4C6@HAL9007> If the value in the unbound control is based on the values of other fields in the record, you might be able to make is a calculated control. r -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2016 9:40 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Unbound control in continuous form Is it still impossible to add an unbound control to a continuous form? I want an unbound control that stores a different value for each record - it's been a while, but that wasn't possible in earlier versions. The unbound control updated for all records. I'm assuming it's still the same. I know there are workarounds to get what I want, but I thought I'd ask just in case there's something new. Susan H. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Wed Mar 2 13:21:44 2016 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2016 14:21:44 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Unbound control in continuous form In-Reply-To: <00cb01d174aa$8a698ad0$9f3ca070$@gmail.com> References: <00cb01d174aa$8a698ad0$9f3ca070$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Nothing new....you can add the control, but if unbound, then it's the same for all rows. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2016 12:40 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Unbound control in continuous form Is it still impossible to add an unbound control to a continuous form? I want an unbound control that stores a different value for each record - it's been a while, but that wasn't possible in earlier versions. The unbound control updated for all records. I'm assuming it's still the same. I know there are workarounds to get what I want, but I thought I'd ask just in case there's something new. Susan H. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 13:23:05 2016 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2016 14:23:05 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Unbound control in continuous form In-Reply-To: References: <00cb01d174aa$8a698ad0$9f3ca070$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <010b01d174b8$f26a43f0$d73ecbd0$@gmail.com> Thanks -- I did a bit of research and couldn't find any new capabilities on this front. Thanks for confirming that. Susan H. Nothing new....you can add the control, but if unbound, then it's the same for all rows. Jim. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Mar 2 16:04:14 2016 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2016 08:04:14 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Unbound control in continuous form In-Reply-To: <010b01d174b8$f26a43f0$d73ecbd0$@gmail.com> References: <00cb01d174aa$8a698ad0$9f3ca070$@gmail.com>, , <010b01d174b8$f26a43f0$d73ecbd0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <56D7635E.17021.7547709@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> If you think about it logically, it must be so. Unless bound to a field,it is all the same control, just like the labels and any other type of control on the form. It is the binding itself that makes a bound control unique to each row. Otherwise: "There can be only one". :) -- Stuart On 2 Mar 2016 at 14:23, Susan Harkins wrote: > Thanks -- I did a bit of research and couldn't find any new > capabilities on this front. Thanks for confirming that. > > Susan H. > Nothing new....you can add the control, but if unbound, then it's the > same for all rows. > > Jim. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 16:14:57 2016 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2016 17:14:57 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Unbound control in continuous form In-Reply-To: <56D7635E.17021.7547709@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <00cb01d174aa$8a698ad0$9f3ca070$@gmail.com>, , <010b01d174b8$f26a43f0$d73ecbd0$@gmail.com> <56D7635E.17021.7547709@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <006801d174d0$f5253150$df6f93f0$@gmail.com> Yeah, but I thought maybe they'd made an improvement since it would be so cool to just be able to "do" it. You have to jump through a lot of hoops to work around it. Okay... a temporary table isn't all that difficult but still... if they can give us a multi-value field, why not a continuous form unbound control? Susan H. If you think about it logically, it must be so. Unless bound to a field,it is all the same control, just like the labels and any other type of control on the form. It is the binding itself that makes a bound control unique to each row. Otherwise: "There can be only one". :) -- Stuart On 2 Mar 2016 at 14:23, Susan Harkins wrote: > Thanks -- I did a bit of research and couldn't find any new > capabilities on this front. Thanks for confirming that. > > Susan H. > Nothing new....you can add the control, but if unbound, then it's the > same for all rows. > > Jim. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Wed Mar 2 16:26:07 2016 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2016 17:26:07 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Unbound control in continuous form In-Reply-To: <006801d174d0$f5253150$df6f93f0$@gmail.com> References: <00cb01d174aa$8a698ad0$9f3ca070$@gmail.com>, , <010b01d174b8$f26a43f0$d73ecbd0$@gmail.com> <56D7635E.17021.7547709@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <006801d174d0$f5253150$df6f93f0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8C6191FF955B4CEBAF9C718571305F01@XPS> Or better yet, a main form record that doesn't save when you enter a sub form control. VFP made me insanely jealous on that front (they allow for an easy buffering of *all* changes until you say so). Jim. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2016 05:15 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Unbound control in continuous form Yeah, but I thought maybe they'd made an improvement since it would be so cool to just be able to "do" it. You have to jump through a lot of hoops to work around it. Okay... a temporary table isn't all that difficult but still... if they can give us a multi-value field, why not a continuous form unbound control? Susan H. If you think about it logically, it must be so. Unless bound to a field,it is all the same control, just like the labels and any other type of control on the form. It is the binding itself that makes a bound control unique to each row. Otherwise: "There can be only one". :) -- Stuart On 2 Mar 2016 at 14:23, Susan Harkins wrote: > Thanks -- I did a bit of research and couldn't find any new > capabilities on this front. Thanks for confirming that. > > Susan H. > Nothing new....you can add the control, but if unbound, then it's the > same for all rows. > > Jim. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 18:04:52 2016 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2016 16:04:52 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Unbound control in continuous form In-Reply-To: <006801d174d0$f5253150$df6f93f0$@gmail.com> References: <00cb01d174aa$8a698ad0$9f3ca070$@gmail.com> <010b01d174b8$f26a43f0$d73ecbd0$@gmail.com> <56D7635E.17021.7547709@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <006801d174d0$f5253150$df6f93f0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Can you make the form based on a query instead of a table and just add a calculated field in the query? On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > Yeah, but I thought maybe they'd made an improvement since it would be so > cool to just be able to "do" it. You have to jump through a lot of hoops to > work around it. Okay... a temporary table isn't all that difficult but > still... if they can give us a multi-value field, why not a continuous form > unbound control? > > Susan H. > > > If you think about it logically, it must be so. > > Unless bound to a field,it is all the same control, just like the labels > and any other type of control on the form. > > It is the binding itself that makes a bound control unique to each row. > > Otherwise: "There can be only one". :) > > -- > Stuart > > On 2 Mar 2016 at 14:23, Susan Harkins wrote: > > > Thanks -- I did a bit of research and couldn't find any new > > capabilities on this front. Thanks for confirming that. > > > > Susan H. > > Nothing new....you can add the control, but if unbound, then it's the > > same for all rows. > > > > Jim. > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Mar 2 18:14:16 2016 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2016 10:14:16 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Unbound control in continuous form In-Reply-To: References: <00cb01d174aa$8a698ad0$9f3ca070$@gmail.com>, <006801d174d0$f5253150$df6f93f0$@gmail.com>, Message-ID: <56D781D8.25352.7CB859C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> If it's calcuated field in the query, any control bound to it will not be editable. Which sort of defeats the prupose :( On 2 Mar 2016 at 16:04, David McAfee wrote: > Can you make the form based on a query instead of a table and just add > a calculated field in the query? > > On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Susan Harkins > wrote: > > > Yeah, but I thought maybe they'd made an improvement since it would > > be so cool to just be able to "do" it. You have to jump through a > > lot of hoops to work around it. Okay... a temporary table isn't all > > that difficult but still... if they can give us a multi-value field, > > why not a continuous form unbound control? > > > > Susan H. > > > > > > If you think about it logically, it must be so. > > > > Unless bound to a field,it is all the same control, just like the > > labels and any other type of control on the form. > > > > It is the binding itself that makes a bound control unique to each > > row. > > > > Otherwise: "There can be only one". :) > > > > -- > > Stuart > > > > On 2 Mar 2016 at 14:23, Susan Harkins wrote: > > > > > Thanks -- I did a bit of research and couldn't find any new > > > capabilities on this front. Thanks for confirming that. > > > > > > Susan H. > > > Nothing new....you can add the control, but if unbound, then it's > > > the same for all rows. > > > > > > Jim. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 18:15:50 2016 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2016 19:15:50 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Unbound control in continuous form In-Reply-To: References: <00cb01d174aa$8a698ad0$9f3ca070$@gmail.com> <010b01d174b8$f26a43f0$d73ecbd0$@gmail.com> <56D7635E.17021.7547709@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <006801d174d0$f5253150$df6f93f0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001201d174e1$d826cc60$88746520$@gmail.com> I just used the form's open event populate a temporary table and then set the form's record source to the temporary table. Susan H. Can you make the form based on a query instead of a table and just add a calculated field in the query? On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > Yeah, but I thought maybe they'd made an improvement since it would be > so cool to just be able to "do" it. You have to jump through a lot of > hoops to work around it. Okay... a temporary table isn't all that > difficult but still... if they can give us a multi-value field, why > not a continuous form unbound control? > > Susan H. > > > If you think about it logically, it must be so. > > Unless bound to a field,it is all the same control, just like the > labels and any other type of control on the form. > > It is the binding itself that makes a bound control unique to each row. > > Otherwise: "There can be only one". :) > > -- > Stuart > > On 2 Mar 2016 at 14:23, Susan Harkins wrote: > > > Thanks -- I did a bit of research and couldn't find any new > > capabilities on this front. Thanks for confirming that. > > > > Susan H. > > Nothing new....you can add the control, but if unbound, then it's > > the same for all rows. > > > > Jim. > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 18:43:12 2016 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2016 16:43:12 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Unbound control in continuous form In-Reply-To: <56D781D8.25352.7CB859C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <00cb01d174aa$8a698ad0$9f3ca070$@gmail.com> <006801d174d0$f5253150$df6f93f0$@gmail.com> <56D781D8.25352.7CB859C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: true, but I thought she just wanted to do something like show/store a line number for an order On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 4:14 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > If it's calcuated field in the query, any control bound to it will not be > editable. Which sort of > defeats the prupose :( > > > On 2 Mar 2016 at 16:04, David McAfee wrote: > > > Can you make the form based on a query instead of a table and just add > > a calculated field in the query? > > > > On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Susan Harkins > > wrote: > > > > > Yeah, but I thought maybe they'd made an improvement since it would > > > be so cool to just be able to "do" it. You have to jump through a > > > lot of hoops to work around it. Okay... a temporary table isn't all > > > that difficult but still... if they can give us a multi-value field, > > > why not a continuous form unbound control? > > > > > > Susan H. > > > > > > > > > If you think about it logically, it must be so. > > > > > > Unless bound to a field,it is all the same control, just like the > > > labels and any other type of control on the form. > > > > > > It is the binding itself that makes a bound control unique to each > > > row. > > > > > > Otherwise: "There can be only one". :) > > > > > > -- > > > Stuart > > > > > > On 2 Mar 2016 at 14:23, Susan Harkins wrote: > > > > > > > Thanks -- I did a bit of research and couldn't find any new > > > > capabilities on this front. Thanks for confirming that. > > > > > > > > Susan H. > > > > Nothing new....you can add the control, but if unbound, then it's > > > > the same for all rows. > > > > > > > > Jim. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > AccessD mailing list > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 20:12:24 2016 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2016 21:12:24 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Unbound control in continuous form In-Reply-To: References: <00cb01d174aa$8a698ad0$9f3ca070$@gmail.com> <006801d174d0$f5253150$df6f93f0$@gmail.com> <56D781D8.25352.7CB859C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <001201d174f2$211d96f0$6358c4d0$@gmail.com> Exactly -- just a single input value for each record. Susan H. true, but I thought she just wanted to do something like show/store a line number for an order From davidmcafee at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 22:58:36 2016 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2016 20:58:36 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Unbound control in continuous form In-Reply-To: <001201d174f2$211d96f0$6358c4d0$@gmail.com> References: <00cb01d174aa$8a698ad0$9f3ca070$@gmail.com> <006801d174d0$f5253150$df6f93f0$@gmail.com> <56D781D8.25352.7CB859C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <001201d174f2$211d96f0$6358c4d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Here are some examples https://www.599cd.com/tips/access/140703-row-number/ On Mar 2, 2016 6:13 PM, "Susan Harkins" wrote: > Exactly -- just a single input value for each record. > > Susan H. > > true, but I thought she just wanted to do something like show/store a line > number for an order > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at gmail.com Sat Mar 5 08:55:02 2016 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2016 09:55:02 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Strange keyboard problem Message-ID: <56DAF346.80109@Gmail.com> My laptop has decided to not accept keystrokes into the login screen (Windows 10). I have tried the built-in keyboard, a logitech keyboard / mouse set (the mouse works) and a logitech keyboard with built-in track pad (the track pad works). In all cases, nothing typed into the keyboard is displayed in the login screen area. Makes the computer darned difficult to use. Any ideas? -- John W. Colby From jwcolby at gmail.com Sat Mar 5 08:55:48 2016 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2016 09:55:48 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem Message-ID: <56DAF374.70405@Gmail.com> The power key on the keyboard shuts the computer down. WTFO? -- John W. Colby From fhtapia at gmail.com Sat Mar 5 09:58:30 2016 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (fhtapia at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2016 15:58:30 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Strange keyboard problem In-Reply-To: <56DAF346.80109@Gmail.com> References: <56DAF346.80109@Gmail.com> Message-ID: Did you recently upgrade? I would try a safe boot. And test that On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 6:56 AM John Colby wrote: > My laptop has decided to not accept keystrokes into the login screen > (Windows 10). I have tried the built-in keyboard, a logitech keyboard / > mouse set (the mouse works) and a logitech keyboard with built-in track > pad (the track pad works). In all cases, nothing typed into the > keyboard is displayed in the login screen area. > > Makes the computer darned difficult to use. > > Any ideas? > > -- > John W. Colby > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From df.waters at outlook.com Sat Mar 5 10:57:59 2016 From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2016 10:57:59 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem In-Reply-To: <56DAF374.70405@Gmail.com> References: <56DAF374.70405@Gmail.com> Message-ID: The power key? Dan -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2016 8:56 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem The power key on the keyboard shuts the computer down. WTFO? -- John W. Colby -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Sat Mar 5 13:29:34 2016 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2016 11:29:34 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem In-Reply-To: <56DAF374.70405@Gmail.com> References: <56DAF374.70405@Gmail.com> Message-ID: I have a wireless keyboard that works that way too. My keyboard has a switch on the back to turn it on and off. Charlotte Foust (916) 206-4336 On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 6:55 AM, John Colby wrote: > The power key on the keyboard shuts the computer down. > > WTFO? > > -- > John W. Colby > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at gmail.com Sat Mar 5 15:10:31 2016 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2016 16:10:31 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Strange keyboard problem In-Reply-To: References: <56DAF346.80109@Gmail.com> Message-ID: I can't without a keyboard. On Mar 5, 2016 11:00 AM, wrote: > Did you recently upgrade? I would try a safe boot. And test that > > On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 6:56 AM John Colby wrote: > > > My laptop has decided to not accept keystrokes into the login screen > > (Windows 10). I have tried the built-in keyboard, a logitech keyboard / > > mouse set (the mouse works) and a logitech keyboard with built-in track > > pad (the track pad works). In all cases, nothing typed into the > > keyboard is displayed in the login screen area. > > > > Makes the computer darned difficult to use. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > -- > > John W. Colby > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at gmail.com Sat Mar 5 15:16:50 2016 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2016 16:16:50 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem In-Reply-To: References: <56DAF374.70405@Gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes there is a "power" key on the keyboard which turns the computer off. It's as if the login screen itself just is not accepting keys. On Mar 5, 2016 11:59 AM, "Dan Waters" wrote: > The power key? > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > John Colby > Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2016 8:56 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem > > The power key on the keyboard shuts the computer down. > > WTFO? > > -- > John W. Colby > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Sat Mar 5 15:35:28 2016 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2016 21:35:28 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem In-Reply-To: References: <56DAF374.70405@Gmail.com> Message-ID: If it was a desktop I'd ask PS2 or USB keyboard. But will the keyboard will let you get to the BIOS. Or - will it let you get to a System reset process - not to run that, just to see if the keyboard is working Next test - if you boot from a restore CD - will that (Linux?) OS recognise keyboard input - assuming you have the system set to look to boot from CD (or USB) before trying the hard drive. And have you tried CTRL+ALT+DEL to see if that gets you to taskmanager and logon/closedown options And ... have you tried the icon at the bottom right corner to see if that shows anything different. You may need to do a recovery boot - to use safe mode and then after that, closedown and just redo a normal boot. JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby Sent: Saturday, March 5, 2016 9:17 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem Yes there is a "power" key on the keyboard which turns the computer off. It's as if the login screen itself just is not accepting keys. On Mar 5, 2016 11:59 AM, "Dan Waters" wrote: > The power key? > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > John Colby > Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2016 8:56 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem > > The power key on the keyboard shuts the computer down. > > WTFO? > > -- > John W. Colby > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Mar 5 16:19:02 2016 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2016 14:19:02 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem In-Reply-To: References: <56DAF374.70405@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <62AC684A18664257BC3EFA25920B8478@HAL9007> Have you tried a different keyboard? r -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby Sent: Saturday, March 5, 2016 9:17 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem Yes there is a "power" key on the keyboard which turns the computer off. It's as if the login screen itself just is not accepting keys. On Mar 5, 2016 11:59 AM, "Dan Waters" wrote: > The power key? > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > Of John Colby > Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2016 8:56 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem > > The power key on the keyboard shuts the computer down. > > WTFO? > > -- > John W. Colby > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at gmail.com Sat Mar 5 20:59:56 2016 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2016 21:59:56 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem In-Reply-To: References: <56DAF374.70405@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <56DB9D2C.7080401@Gmail.com> Windows 10. It is a laptop which does not enter anything into the password field. I have a Logitech USB RF Keyboard / mouse pair which I have used with this thing for as long as I have owned it. The mouse works, the keyboard does not enter anything into the password field. I have a second Logitech RF keyboard / trackpad combo. The trackpad works, the keyboard does not enter anything into the password field. I cannot use the tab key to cause the cursor to move on to the power off icon. No matter which keyboard I try, it will not accept a keystroke to cause the pretty picture to go away and display the login screen. If I click on the screen with the mouse or the trackpad of the USB (RF) keyboards, I can get to the login screen but no key on the keyboards do anything. Arrow keys do not move the insertion pointer, tab doesn't move the insertion pointer on to the power off icon (for example). The PC Power off key does turn the laptop off. No other key on the entire keyboard does anything AFAICT. Apparently to break into the BIOS one holds down the F2 key and presses the power button, holding F2 until the bios screen appears. That does not work. On 3/5/2016 4:35 PM, James Button wrote: > If it was a desktop I'd ask PS2 or USB keyboard. > > But will the keyboard will let you get to the BIOS. > Or - will it let you get to a System reset process - not to run that, just to > see if the keyboard is working > > Next test - if you boot from a restore CD - will that (Linux?) OS recognise > keyboard input - assuming you have the system set to look to boot from CD (or > USB) before trying the hard drive. > > And have you tried CTRL+ALT+DEL to see if that gets you to taskmanager and > logon/closedown options > And ... have you tried the icon at the bottom right corner to see if that shows > anything different. > > You may need to do a recovery boot - to use safe mode and then after that, > closedown and just redo a normal boot. > > JimB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John > Colby > Sent: Saturday, March 5, 2016 9:17 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem > > Yes there is a "power" key on the keyboard which turns the computer off. > It's as if the login screen itself just is not accepting keys. > On Mar 5, 2016 11:59 AM, "Dan Waters" wrote: > >> The power key? >> >> Dan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of >> John Colby >> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2016 8:56 AM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem >> >> The power key on the keyboard shuts the computer down. >> >> WTFO? >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> -- John W. Colby From jwcolby at gmail.com Sat Mar 5 22:45:04 2016 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2016 23:45:04 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem In-Reply-To: <62AC684A18664257BC3EFA25920B8478@HAL9007> References: <56DAF374.70405@Gmail.com> <62AC684A18664257BC3EFA25920B8478@HAL9007> Message-ID: <56DBB5D0.9090606@Gmail.com> I finally got in using the virtual (on screen) keyboard. There was a "critical update" on the 5th (today?) so I am doing a restore (using just the mouse) to before that. Windows device manager shows a yellow exclamation mark on all of the keyboards with a pop up message that the registery is corrupt on all of them. We'll see if a restore fixes it. On 3/5/2016 5:19 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Have you tried a different keyboard? > > r > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > John Colby > Sent: Saturday, March 5, 2016 9:17 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem > > Yes there is a "power" key on the keyboard which turns the computer off. > It's as if the login screen itself just is not accepting keys. > On Mar 5, 2016 11:59 AM, "Dan Waters" wrote: > >> The power key? >> >> Dan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf >> Of John Colby >> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2016 8:56 AM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem >> >> The power key on the keyboard shuts the computer down. >> >> WTFO? >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- John W. Colby From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Sat Mar 5 22:46:14 2016 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2016 20:46:14 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem In-Reply-To: <56DB9D2C.7080401@Gmail.com> References: <56DAF374.70405@Gmail.com> <56DB9D2C.7080401@Gmail.com> Message-ID: John, Different brands of machines have different ways to break into the bios. Check with the manufacturer to get the instructions that work for your machine. Charlotte Foust (916) 206-4336 On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 6:59 PM, John Colby wrote: > Windows 10. > > It is a laptop which does not enter anything into the password field. I > have a Logitech USB RF Keyboard / mouse pair which I have used with this > thing for as long as I have owned it. The mouse works, the keyboard does > not enter anything into the password field. I have a second Logitech RF > keyboard / trackpad combo. The trackpad works, the keyboard does not enter > anything into the password field. I cannot use the tab key to cause the > cursor to move on to the power off icon. > > No matter which keyboard I try, it will not accept a keystroke to cause > the pretty picture to go away and display the login screen. If I click on > the screen with the mouse or the trackpad of the USB (RF) keyboards, I can > get to the login screen but no key on the keyboards do anything. Arrow > keys do not move the insertion pointer, tab doesn't move the insertion > pointer on to the power off icon (for example). > > The PC Power off key does turn the laptop off. No other key on the entire > keyboard does anything AFAICT. > > Apparently to break into the BIOS one holds down the F2 key and presses > the power button, holding F2 until the bios screen appears. That does not > work. > > > On 3/5/2016 4:35 PM, James Button wrote: > >> If it was a desktop I'd ask PS2 or USB keyboard. >> >> But will the keyboard will let you get to the BIOS. >> Or - will it let you get to a System reset process - not to run that, >> just to >> see if the keyboard is working >> >> Next test - if you boot from a restore CD - will that (Linux?) OS >> recognise >> keyboard input - assuming you have the system set to look to boot from CD >> (or >> USB) before trying the hard drive. >> >> And have you tried CTRL+ALT+DEL to see if that gets you to taskmanager and >> logon/closedown options >> And ... have you tried the icon at the bottom right corner to see if that >> shows >> anything different. >> >> You may need to do a recovery boot - to use safe mode and then after that, >> closedown and just redo a normal boot. >> >> JimB >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of >> John >> Colby >> Sent: Saturday, March 5, 2016 9:17 PM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem >> >> Yes there is a "power" key on the keyboard which turns the computer off. >> It's as if the login screen itself just is not accepting keys. >> On Mar 5, 2016 11:59 AM, "Dan Waters" wrote: >> >> The power key? >>> >>> Dan >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of >>> John Colby >>> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2016 8:56 AM >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>> Subject: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem >>> >>> The power key on the keyboard shuts the computer down. >>> >>> WTFO? >>> >>> -- >>> John W. Colby >>> >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> > -- > John W. Colby > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at gmail.com Sat Mar 5 23:05:02 2016 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2016 00:05:02 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem In-Reply-To: References: <56DAF374.70405@Gmail.com> <56DB9D2C.7080401@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <56DBBA7E.4050708@Gmail.com> I ended up restoring back to the 1st and my keyboard is back. Whew!!! This was a toughie! There is a virtual (on sreen) keyboard under the login screen for "ease of access". I could then use the mouse to click the buttons to log in. Once logged in I could use the mouse to open the control panel and from there do a restore, all using only the mouse. The (2nd) restore worked and allowed me to use the keyboard. The stated purpose of the restore point was installation of a driver for Comodore Unite. Not sure that install hosed things. I won't be installing it again however. So my laptop is working again. That is all that really matters. On 3/5/2016 11:46 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > John, > Different brands of machines have different ways to break into the bios. > Check with the manufacturer to get the instructions that work for your > machine. > > Charlotte Foust > (916) 206-4336 > > On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 6:59 PM, John Colby wrote: > >> Windows 10. >> >> It is a laptop which does not enter anything into the password field. I >> have a Logitech USB RF Keyboard / mouse pair which I have used with this >> thing for as long as I have owned it. The mouse works, the keyboard does >> not enter anything into the password field. I have a second Logitech RF >> keyboard / trackpad combo. The trackpad works, the keyboard does not enter >> anything into the password field. I cannot use the tab key to cause the >> cursor to move on to the power off icon. >> >> No matter which keyboard I try, it will not accept a keystroke to cause >> the pretty picture to go away and display the login screen. If I click on >> the screen with the mouse or the trackpad of the USB (RF) keyboards, I can >> get to the login screen but no key on the keyboards do anything. Arrow >> keys do not move the insertion pointer, tab doesn't move the insertion >> pointer on to the power off icon (for example). >> >> The PC Power off key does turn the laptop off. No other key on the entire >> keyboard does anything AFAICT. >> >> Apparently to break into the BIOS one holds down the F2 key and presses >> the power button, holding F2 until the bios screen appears. That does not >> work. >> >> >> On 3/5/2016 4:35 PM, James Button wrote: >> >>> If it was a desktop I'd ask PS2 or USB keyboard. >>> >>> But will the keyboard will let you get to the BIOS. >>> Or - will it let you get to a System reset process - not to run that, >>> just to >>> see if the keyboard is working >>> >>> Next test - if you boot from a restore CD - will that (Linux?) OS >>> recognise >>> keyboard input - assuming you have the system set to look to boot from CD >>> (or >>> USB) before trying the hard drive. >>> >>> And have you tried CTRL+ALT+DEL to see if that gets you to taskmanager and >>> logon/closedown options >>> And ... have you tried the icon at the bottom right corner to see if that >>> shows >>> anything different. >>> >>> You may need to do a recovery boot - to use safe mode and then after that, >>> closedown and just redo a normal boot. >>> >>> JimB >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of >>> John >>> Colby >>> Sent: Saturday, March 5, 2016 9:17 PM >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem >>> >>> Yes there is a "power" key on the keyboard which turns the computer off. >>> It's as if the login screen itself just is not accepting keys. >>> On Mar 5, 2016 11:59 AM, "Dan Waters" wrote: >>> >>> The power key? >>>> Dan >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of >>>> John Colby >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2016 8:56 AM >>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>>> Subject: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem >>>> >>>> The power key on the keyboard shuts the computer down. >>>> >>>> WTFO? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> John W. Colby >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AccessD mailing list >>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AccessD mailing list >>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> -- John W. Colby From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Mar 6 09:34:42 2016 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2016 15:34:42 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem In-Reply-To: <56DBBA7E.4050708@Gmail.com> References: <56DAF374.70405@Gmail.com> <56DB9D2C.7080401@Gmail.com> <56DBBA7E.4050708@Gmail.com> Message-ID: Maybe worth stopping the Fast-Restart option, and checking that the Setting for the Power-Button is SHUT-DOWN rather than hibernate/sleep, so the system does a proper restart rather than 'win-10 faster startup' that is actually an awakening from hibernate. Substantially slows down closedown and restart - but there is the maybe-get-at-YOUR-PC option rather than accept the MS modified instance of Win 10. And - is your BIOS set to look to boot from other than the hard drive - pretty much essential to be able to boot from a CD or USB device if you want to do maintenance to deal with the more usual and annoying Win-10 problems Happy for you that this was amenable to backout. The point about the 'Restore CD' - Paragon EASEUS etc. tend to be pretty basic Linux OS's which would, if you could get the laptop to boot from one, have gone back to basic (BIOS? specified) input devices. JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2016 5:05 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem I ended up restoring back to the 1st and my keyboard is back. Whew!!! This was a toughie! There is a virtual (on sreen) keyboard under the login screen for "ease of access". I could then use the mouse to click the buttons to log in. Once logged in I could use the mouse to open the control panel and from there do a restore, all using only the mouse. The (2nd) restore worked and allowed me to use the keyboard. The stated purpose of the restore point was installation of a driver for Comodore Unite. Not sure that install hosed things. I won't be installing it again however. So my laptop is working again. That is all that really matters. On 3/5/2016 11:46 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > John, > Different brands of machines have different ways to break into the bios. > Check with the manufacturer to get the instructions that work for your > machine. > > Charlotte Foust > (916) 206-4336 > > On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 6:59 PM, John Colby wrote: > >> Windows 10. >> >> It is a laptop which does not enter anything into the password field. I >> have a Logitech USB RF Keyboard / mouse pair which I have used with this >> thing for as long as I have owned it. The mouse works, the keyboard does >> not enter anything into the password field. I have a second Logitech RF >> keyboard / trackpad combo. The trackpad works, the keyboard does not enter >> anything into the password field. I cannot use the tab key to cause the >> cursor to move on to the power off icon. >> >> No matter which keyboard I try, it will not accept a keystroke to cause >> the pretty picture to go away and display the login screen. If I click on >> the screen with the mouse or the trackpad of the USB (RF) keyboards, I can >> get to the login screen but no key on the keyboards do anything. Arrow >> keys do not move the insertion pointer, tab doesn't move the insertion >> pointer on to the power off icon (for example). >> >> The PC Power off key does turn the laptop off. No other key on the entire >> keyboard does anything AFAICT. >> >> Apparently to break into the BIOS one holds down the F2 key and presses >> the power button, holding F2 until the bios screen appears. That does not >> work. >> >> >> On 3/5/2016 4:35 PM, James Button wrote: >> >>> If it was a desktop I'd ask PS2 or USB keyboard. >>> >>> But will the keyboard will let you get to the BIOS. >>> Or - will it let you get to a System reset process - not to run that, >>> just to >>> see if the keyboard is working >>> >>> Next test - if you boot from a restore CD - will that (Linux?) OS >>> recognise >>> keyboard input - assuming you have the system set to look to boot from CD >>> (or >>> USB) before trying the hard drive. >>> >>> And have you tried CTRL+ALT+DEL to see if that gets you to taskmanager and >>> logon/closedown options >>> And ... have you tried the icon at the bottom right corner to see if that >>> shows >>> anything different. >>> >>> You may need to do a recovery boot - to use safe mode and then after that, >>> closedown and just redo a normal boot. >>> >>> JimB >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of >>> John >>> Colby >>> Sent: Saturday, March 5, 2016 9:17 PM >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem >>> >>> Yes there is a "power" key on the keyboard which turns the computer off. >>> It's as if the login screen itself just is not accepting keys. >>> On Mar 5, 2016 11:59 AM, "Dan Waters" wrote: >>> >>> The power key? >>>> Dan >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of >>>> John Colby >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2016 8:56 AM >>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>>> Subject: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem >>>> >>>> The power key on the keyboard shuts the computer down. >>>> >>>> WTFO? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> John W. Colby >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AccessD mailing list >>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AccessD mailing list >>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> -- John W. Colby -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at gmail.com Sun Mar 6 15:59:33 2016 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2016 16:59:33 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem In-Reply-To: References: <56DAF374.70405@Gmail.com> <56DB9D2C.7080401@Gmail.com> <56DBBA7E.4050708@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <56DCA845.40705@Gmail.com> AFAICT Windows 10 no longer allows boot to bios. On 3/6/2016 10:34 AM, James Button wrote: > Maybe worth stopping the Fast-Restart option, and checking that the Setting for > the Power-Button is SHUT-DOWN rather than hibernate/sleep, > so the system does a proper restart rather than 'win-10 faster startup' that is > actually an awakening from hibernate. > > Substantially slows down closedown and restart - but there is the > maybe-get-at-YOUR-PC option rather than accept the MS modified instance of Win > 10. > > And - is your BIOS set to look to boot from other than the hard drive - pretty > much essential to be able to boot from a CD or USB device if you want to do > maintenance to deal with the more usual and annoying Win-10 problems > > Happy for you that this was amenable to backout. > > The point about the 'Restore CD' - Paragon EASEUS etc. tend to be pretty basic > Linux OS's which would, if you could get the laptop to boot from one, have gone > back to basic (BIOS? specified) input devices. > > > JimB > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John > Colby > Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2016 5:05 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem > > I ended up restoring back to the 1st and my keyboard is back. > > Whew!!! > > This was a toughie! There is a virtual (on sreen) keyboard under the > login screen for "ease of access". I could then use the mouse to click > the buttons to log in. Once logged in I could use the mouse to open the > control panel and from there do a restore, all using only the mouse. > > The (2nd) restore worked and allowed me to use the keyboard. > > The stated purpose of the restore point was installation of a driver for > Comodore Unite. Not sure that install hosed things. I won't be > installing it again however. > > So my laptop is working again. That is all that really matters. > > On 3/5/2016 11:46 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: >> John, >> Different brands of machines have different ways to break into the bios. >> Check with the manufacturer to get the instructions that work for your >> machine. >> >> Charlotte Foust >> (916) 206-4336 >> >> On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 6:59 PM, John Colby wrote: >> >>> Windows 10. >>> >>> It is a laptop which does not enter anything into the password field. I >>> have a Logitech USB RF Keyboard / mouse pair which I have used with this >>> thing for as long as I have owned it. The mouse works, the keyboard does >>> not enter anything into the password field. I have a second Logitech RF >>> keyboard / trackpad combo. The trackpad works, the keyboard does not enter >>> anything into the password field. I cannot use the tab key to cause the >>> cursor to move on to the power off icon. >>> >>> No matter which keyboard I try, it will not accept a keystroke to cause >>> the pretty picture to go away and display the login screen. If I click on >>> the screen with the mouse or the trackpad of the USB (RF) keyboards, I can >>> get to the login screen but no key on the keyboards do anything. Arrow >>> keys do not move the insertion pointer, tab doesn't move the insertion >>> pointer on to the power off icon (for example). >>> >>> The PC Power off key does turn the laptop off. No other key on the entire >>> keyboard does anything AFAICT. >>> >>> Apparently to break into the BIOS one holds down the F2 key and presses >>> the power button, holding F2 until the bios screen appears. That does not >>> work. >>> >>> >>> On 3/5/2016 4:35 PM, James Button wrote: >>> >>>> If it was a desktop I'd ask PS2 or USB keyboard. >>>> >>>> But will the keyboard will let you get to the BIOS. >>>> Or - will it let you get to a System reset process - not to run that, >>>> just to >>>> see if the keyboard is working >>>> >>>> Next test - if you boot from a restore CD - will that (Linux?) OS >>>> recognise >>>> keyboard input - assuming you have the system set to look to boot from CD >>>> (or >>>> USB) before trying the hard drive. >>>> >>>> And have you tried CTRL+ALT+DEL to see if that gets you to taskmanager and >>>> logon/closedown options >>>> And ... have you tried the icon at the bottom right corner to see if that >>>> shows >>>> anything different. >>>> >>>> You may need to do a recovery boot - to use safe mode and then after that, >>>> closedown and just redo a normal boot. >>>> >>>> JimB >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of >>>> John >>>> Colby >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 5, 2016 9:17 PM >>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem >>>> >>>> Yes there is a "power" key on the keyboard which turns the computer off. >>>> It's as if the login screen itself just is not accepting keys. >>>> On Mar 5, 2016 11:59 AM, "Dan Waters" wrote: >>>> >>>> The power key? >>>>> Dan >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of >>>>> John Colby >>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2016 8:56 AM >>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>>>> Subject: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem >>>>> >>>>> The power key on the keyboard shuts the computer down. >>>>> >>>>> WTFO? >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> John W. Colby >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AccessD mailing list >>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AccessD mailing list >>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>> >>>>> >>> -- >>> John W. Colby >>> >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> -- John W. Colby From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Mar 6 16:43:09 2016 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2016 22:43:09 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem In-Reply-To: <56DCA845.40705@Gmail.com> References: <56DAF374.70405@Gmail.com> <56DB9D2C.7080401@Gmail.com> <56DBBA7E.4050708@Gmail.com> <56DCA845.40705@Gmail.com> Message-ID: A PC with UEFI may not allow BIOS access once you selected the UEFI mode Win-10 Fast-Start stops BIOS access - use Settings to turn it off Also from http://www.howtogeek.com/243901/the-pros-and-cons-of-windows-10s-fast-startup-mo de/ . When you shut down a computer with Fast Startup enabled, Windows locks down the Windows hard disk. You won't be able to access it from other operating systems if you have your computer configured to dual-boot. Depending on your setup, this might even prevent dual-boot from working at all. ----------------------------- For a 1 off - Use either CTRL, or maybe it's SHIFT and mouse select shutdown from the icon at the bottom right of the screen Maybe logoff as a user to get back to that screen And maybe the gotta restart for updates will let you get to use the F .. key on startup ---------------------------- And from an earlier 'find' but things have changed since that version of Win 10 - To use windows to set access on next boot - Point to the upper-right corner of the screen, move the mouse pointer down, and then click Personalise - Settings. (If you're using a touch screen, swipe in from the right edge of the screen, and then tap Settings.) Power options Choose what the Power Button Does - set SHUTDOWN "Change settings that are currently not available" should give access to the shutdown settings Where you can untick fast startup Then - Change PC settings Update & Security Recovery Restart Now - and when it does ... Troubleshoot Advanced then maybe BIOS settings, or UEFI Settings or Restart - And you should soon see the BIOS setup. |That is assuming the running system will allow you to see the setup you want And maybe also have a browse of https://www.infopackets.com/news/9720/how-remove-windows-10-password-no-login-sc reen http://www.groovypost.com/howto/recover-lost-windows-password/ - No Login screen Have fun Join the win-10 WTF party JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2016 10:00 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem AFAICT Windows 10 no longer allows boot to bios. On 3/6/2016 10:34 AM, James Button wrote: > Maybe worth stopping the Fast-Restart option, and checking that the Setting for > the Power-Button is SHUT-DOWN rather than hibernate/sleep, > so the system does a proper restart rather than 'win-10 faster startup' that is > actually an awakening from hibernate. > > Substantially slows down closedown and restart - but there is the > maybe-get-at-YOUR-PC option rather than accept the MS modified instance of Win > 10. > > And - is your BIOS set to look to boot from other than the hard drive - pretty > much essential to be able to boot from a CD or USB device if you want to do > maintenance to deal with the more usual and annoying Win-10 problems > > Happy for you that this was amenable to backout. > > The point about the 'Restore CD' - Paragon EASEUS etc. tend to be pretty basic > Linux OS's which would, if you could get the laptop to boot from one, have gone > back to basic (BIOS? specified) input devices. > > > JimB > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John > Colby > Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2016 5:05 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem > > I ended up restoring back to the 1st and my keyboard is back. > > Whew!!! > > This was a toughie! There is a virtual (on sreen) keyboard under the > login screen for "ease of access". I could then use the mouse to click > the buttons to log in. Once logged in I could use the mouse to open the > control panel and from there do a restore, all using only the mouse. > > The (2nd) restore worked and allowed me to use the keyboard. > > The stated purpose of the restore point was installation of a driver for > Comodore Unite. Not sure that install hosed things. I won't be > installing it again however. > > So my laptop is working again. That is all that really matters. > > On 3/5/2016 11:46 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: >> John, >> Different brands of machines have different ways to break into the bios. >> Check with the manufacturer to get the instructions that work for your >> machine. >> >> Charlotte Foust >> (916) 206-4336 >> >> On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 6:59 PM, John Colby wrote: >> >>> Windows 10. >>> >>> It is a laptop which does not enter anything into the password field. I >>> have a Logitech USB RF Keyboard / mouse pair which I have used with this >>> thing for as long as I have owned it. The mouse works, the keyboard does >>> not enter anything into the password field. I have a second Logitech RF >>> keyboard / trackpad combo. The trackpad works, the keyboard does not enter >>> anything into the password field. I cannot use the tab key to cause the >>> cursor to move on to the power off icon. >>> >>> No matter which keyboard I try, it will not accept a keystroke to cause >>> the pretty picture to go away and display the login screen. If I click on >>> the screen with the mouse or the trackpad of the USB (RF) keyboards, I can >>> get to the login screen but no key on the keyboards do anything. Arrow >>> keys do not move the insertion pointer, tab doesn't move the insertion >>> pointer on to the power off icon (for example). >>> >>> The PC Power off key does turn the laptop off. No other key on the entire >>> keyboard does anything AFAICT. >>> >>> Apparently to break into the BIOS one holds down the F2 key and presses >>> the power button, holding F2 until the bios screen appears. That does not >>> work. >>> >>> >>> On 3/5/2016 4:35 PM, James Button wrote: >>> >>>> If it was a desktop I'd ask PS2 or USB keyboard. >>>> >>>> But will the keyboard will let you get to the BIOS. >>>> Or - will it let you get to a System reset process - not to run that, >>>> just to >>>> see if the keyboard is working >>>> >>>> Next test - if you boot from a restore CD - will that (Linux?) OS >>>> recognise >>>> keyboard input - assuming you have the system set to look to boot from CD >>>> (or >>>> USB) before trying the hard drive. >>>> >>>> And have you tried CTRL+ALT+DEL to see if that gets you to taskmanager and >>>> logon/closedown options >>>> And ... have you tried the icon at the bottom right corner to see if that >>>> shows >>>> anything different. >>>> >>>> You may need to do a recovery boot - to use safe mode and then after that, >>>> closedown and just redo a normal boot. >>>> >>>> JimB >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of >>>> John >>>> Colby >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 5, 2016 9:17 PM >>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem >>>> >>>> Yes there is a "power" key on the keyboard which turns the computer off. >>>> It's as if the login screen itself just is not accepting keys. >>>> On Mar 5, 2016 11:59 AM, "Dan Waters" wrote: >>>> >>>> The power key? >>>>> Dan >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of >>>>> John Colby >>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2016 8:56 AM >>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>>>> Subject: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem >>>>> >>>>> The power key on the keyboard shuts the computer down. >>>>> >>>>> WTFO? >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> John W. Colby >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AccessD mailing list >>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AccessD mailing list >>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>> >>>>> >>> -- >>> John W. Colby >>> >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> -- John W. Colby -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fhtapia at gmail.com Mon Mar 7 09:27:55 2016 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (fhtapia at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2016 15:27:55 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem In-Reply-To: <56DBBA7E.4050708@Gmail.com> References: <56DAF374.70405@Gmail.com> <56DB9D2C.7080401@Gmail.com> <56DBBA7E.4050708@Gmail.com> Message-ID: Glad you got it working, what I meant was, was this a fresh install of windows 10 to your laptop, or was it an upgrade. the reason I point this out is that in our environment, we have had more issues with windows 8 and 10 when users upgraded instead of performing a fresh install and migrating their data. keep those backups handy, looks like they are needed ;) On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 9:06 PM John Colby wrote: > I ended up restoring back to the 1st and my keyboard is back. > > Whew!!! > > This was a toughie! There is a virtual (on sreen) keyboard under the > login screen for "ease of access". I could then use the mouse to click > the buttons to log in. Once logged in I could use the mouse to open the > control panel and from there do a restore, all using only the mouse. > > The (2nd) restore worked and allowed me to use the keyboard. > > The stated purpose of the restore point was installation of a driver for > Comodore Unite. Not sure that install hosed things. I won't be > installing it again however. > > So my laptop is working again. That is all that really matters. > > On 3/5/2016 11:46 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > > John, > > Different brands of machines have different ways to break into the bios. > > Check with the manufacturer to get the instructions that work for your > > machine. > > > > Charlotte Foust > > (916) 206-4336 > > > > On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 6:59 PM, John Colby wrote: > > > >> Windows 10. > >> > >> It is a laptop which does not enter anything into the password field. I > >> have a Logitech USB RF Keyboard / mouse pair which I have used with this > >> thing for as long as I have owned it. The mouse works, the keyboard > does > >> not enter anything into the password field. I have a second Logitech RF > >> keyboard / trackpad combo. The trackpad works, the keyboard does not > enter > >> anything into the password field. I cannot use the tab key to cause the > >> cursor to move on to the power off icon. > >> > >> No matter which keyboard I try, it will not accept a keystroke to cause > >> the pretty picture to go away and display the login screen. If I click > on > >> the screen with the mouse or the trackpad of the USB (RF) keyboards, I > can > >> get to the login screen but no key on the keyboards do anything. Arrow > >> keys do not move the insertion pointer, tab doesn't move the insertion > >> pointer on to the power off icon (for example). > >> > >> The PC Power off key does turn the laptop off. No other key on the > entire > >> keyboard does anything AFAICT. > >> > >> Apparently to break into the BIOS one holds down the F2 key and presses > >> the power button, holding F2 until the bios screen appears. That does > not > >> work. > >> > >> > >> On 3/5/2016 4:35 PM, James Button wrote: > >> > >>> If it was a desktop I'd ask PS2 or USB keyboard. > >>> > >>> But will the keyboard will let you get to the BIOS. > >>> Or - will it let you get to a System reset process - not to run that, > >>> just to > >>> see if the keyboard is working > >>> > >>> Next test - if you boot from a restore CD - will that (Linux?) OS > >>> recognise > >>> keyboard input - assuming you have the system set to look to boot from > CD > >>> (or > >>> USB) before trying the hard drive. > >>> > >>> And have you tried CTRL+ALT+DEL to see if that gets you to taskmanager > and > >>> logon/closedown options > >>> And ... have you tried the icon at the bottom right corner to see if > that > >>> shows > >>> anything different. > >>> > >>> You may need to do a recovery boot - to use safe mode and then after > that, > >>> closedown and just redo a normal boot. > >>> > >>> JimB > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > Of > >>> John > >>> Colby > >>> Sent: Saturday, March 5, 2016 9:17 PM > >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > >>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem > >>> > >>> Yes there is a "power" key on the keyboard which turns the computer > off. > >>> It's as if the login screen itself just is not accepting keys. > >>> On Mar 5, 2016 11:59 AM, "Dan Waters" wrote: > >>> > >>> The power key? > >>>> Dan > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On > Behalf Of > >>>> John Colby > >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2016 8:56 AM > >>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > >>>> Subject: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem > >>>> > >>>> The power key on the keyboard shuts the computer down. > >>>> > >>>> WTFO? > > >I can't without a keyboard. ? On Mar 5, 2016 11:00 AM, wrote: > Did you recently upgrade? I would try a safe boot. And test that > > On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 6:56 AM John Colby wrote: > > > My laptop has decided to not accept keystrokes into the login screen > > (Windows 10). I have tried the built-in keyboard, a logitech keyboard / > > mouse set (the mouse works) and a logitech keyboard with built-in track > > pad (the track pad works). In all cases, nothing typed into the > > keyboard is displayed in the login screen area. > > > > Makes the computer darned difficult to use. > > > > Any ideas? > -- > John W. Colby > > From jwcolby at gmail.com Mon Mar 7 10:41:17 2016 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 11:41:17 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem In-Reply-To: References: <56DAF374.70405@Gmail.com> <56DB9D2C.7080401@Gmail.com> <56DBBA7E.4050708@Gmail.com> Message-ID: It was a new machine with W8 immediately upgraded to 10. Been using it for a few months though. On Mar 7, 2016 10:29, wrote: > Glad you got it working, what I meant was, was this a fresh install of > windows 10 to your laptop, or was it an upgrade. the reason I point this > out is that in our environment, we have had more issues with windows 8 and > 10 when users upgraded instead of performing a fresh install and migrating > their data. > > keep those backups handy, looks like they are needed ;) > > On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 9:06 PM John Colby wrote: > > > I ended up restoring back to the 1st and my keyboard is back. > > > > Whew!!! > > > > This was a toughie! There is a virtual (on sreen) keyboard under the > > login screen for "ease of access". I could then use the mouse to click > > the buttons to log in. Once logged in I could use the mouse to open the > > control panel and from there do a restore, all using only the mouse. > > > > The (2nd) restore worked and allowed me to use the keyboard. > > > > The stated purpose of the restore point was installation of a driver for > > Comodore Unite. Not sure that install hosed things. I won't be > > installing it again however. > > > > So my laptop is working again. That is all that really matters. > > > > On 3/5/2016 11:46 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > > > John, > > > Different brands of machines have different ways to break into the > bios. > > > Check with the manufacturer to get the instructions that work for your > > > machine. > > > > > > Charlotte Foust > > > (916) 206-4336 > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 6:59 PM, John Colby wrote: > > > > > >> Windows 10. > > >> > > >> It is a laptop which does not enter anything into the password > field. I > > >> have a Logitech USB RF Keyboard / mouse pair which I have used with > this > > >> thing for as long as I have owned it. The mouse works, the keyboard > > does > > >> not enter anything into the password field. I have a second Logitech > RF > > >> keyboard / trackpad combo. The trackpad works, the keyboard does not > > enter > > >> anything into the password field. I cannot use the tab key to cause > the > > >> cursor to move on to the power off icon. > > >> > > >> No matter which keyboard I try, it will not accept a keystroke to > cause > > >> the pretty picture to go away and display the login screen. If I click > > on > > >> the screen with the mouse or the trackpad of the USB (RF) keyboards, I > > can > > >> get to the login screen but no key on the keyboards do anything. > Arrow > > >> keys do not move the insertion pointer, tab doesn't move the insertion > > >> pointer on to the power off icon (for example). > > >> > > >> The PC Power off key does turn the laptop off. No other key on the > > entire > > >> keyboard does anything AFAICT. > > >> > > >> Apparently to break into the BIOS one holds down the F2 key and > presses > > >> the power button, holding F2 until the bios screen appears. That does > > not > > >> work. > > >> > > >> > > >> On 3/5/2016 4:35 PM, James Button wrote: > > >> > > >>> If it was a desktop I'd ask PS2 or USB keyboard. > > >>> > > >>> But will the keyboard will let you get to the BIOS. > > >>> Or - will it let you get to a System reset process - not to run that, > > >>> just to > > >>> see if the keyboard is working > > >>> > > >>> Next test - if you boot from a restore CD - will that (Linux?) OS > > >>> recognise > > >>> keyboard input - assuming you have the system set to look to boot > from > > CD > > >>> (or > > >>> USB) before trying the hard drive. > > >>> > > >>> And have you tried CTRL+ALT+DEL to see if that gets you to > taskmanager > > and > > >>> logon/closedown options > > >>> And ... have you tried the icon at the bottom right corner to see if > > that > > >>> shows > > >>> anything different. > > >>> > > >>> You may need to do a recovery boot - to use safe mode and then after > > that, > > >>> closedown and just redo a normal boot. > > >>> > > >>> JimB > > >>> > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > >>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On > Behalf > > Of > > >>> John > > >>> Colby > > >>> Sent: Saturday, March 5, 2016 9:17 PM > > >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > >>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem > > >>> > > >>> Yes there is a "power" key on the keyboard which turns the computer > > off. > > >>> It's as if the login screen itself just is not accepting keys. > > >>> On Mar 5, 2016 11:59 AM, "Dan Waters" wrote: > > >>> > > >>> The power key? > > >>>> Dan > > >>>> > > >>>> -----Original Message----- > > >>>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On > > Behalf Of > > >>>> John Colby > > >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2016 8:56 AM > > >>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > >>>> Subject: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem > > >>>> > > >>>> The power key on the keyboard shuts the computer down. > > >>>> > > >>>> WTFO? > > > > >I can't without a keyboard. > ? > > On Mar 5, 2016 11:00 AM, wrote: > > > Did you recently upgrade? I would try a safe boot. And test that > > > > On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 6:56 AM John Colby wrote: > > > > > My laptop has decided to not accept keystrokes into the login screen > > > (Windows 10). I have tried the built-in keyboard, a logitech keyboard > / > > > mouse set (the mouse works) and a logitech keyboard with built-in track > > > pad (the track pad works). In all cases, nothing typed into the > > > keyboard is displayed in the login screen area. > > > > > > Makes the computer darned difficult to use. > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > -- > > John W. Colby > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jbartow at winhaven.net Mon Mar 7 11:48:35 2016 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 11:48:35 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem In-Reply-To: References: <56DAF374.70405@Gmail.com> <56DB9D2C.7080401@Gmail.com> <56DBBA7E.4050708@Gmail.com> Message-ID: Oddly enough, the Win10 problems I've had to deal with were mostly a few months after the upgrade. Haven't had any after a clean install. AND make sure it doesn't disable your System Restore! It does this based on some algorithm in relation to size of storage space but it does not inform you of "its" decision to do so. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 10:41 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem It was a new machine with W8 immediately upgraded to 10. Been using it for a few months though. On Mar 7, 2016 10:29, wrote: > Glad you got it working, what I meant was, was this a fresh install of > windows 10 to your laptop, or was it an upgrade. the reason I point > this out is that in our environment, we have had more issues with > windows 8 and > 10 when users upgraded instead of performing a fresh install and > migrating their data. > > keep those backups handy, looks like they are needed ;) From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Mar 7 13:23:55 2016 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 19:23:55 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem In-Reply-To: References: <56DAF374.70405@Gmail.com> <56DB9D2C.7080401@Gmail.com> <56DBBA7E.4050708@Gmail.com> Message-ID: Yep Win-10 is a source of many system changes - Today ( post the latest update) I got a message that "An app default was reset" as the original app would not handle the association. Well I found that IRFANVIEW is no longer handling .gif files Well - when I checked, it seems to have no problem with the files. Re system restore - etc. Note File History is limited in the length of filenames that it can handle, and when it has not decided to just stop - it puts the backup copies it does create into an unprotected folder - Oh! yes - and it is quite happy to 'save' sets of outlook files while outlook is updating them! - so move a folder to archive and you may find the archive save was done before the move completed, and the source .pst was saved after the folder had been 'removed' Considering the system restore facility - I note that every so-often my system response goes to pitifully annoyingly slow as it reads through the entire OS drive -to update the SINGLE image of the system it maintains. I use Paragon to create an approximately monthly backup of the partition - and then weekly/daily backups of things like email and wot I type-in myself. Regards, and thanks for the detail JimB ------------------- -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Monday, March 7, 2016 5:49 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem Importance: High Oddly enough, the Win10 problems I've had to deal with were mostly a few months after the upgrade. Haven't had any after a clean install. AND make sure it doesn't disable your System Restore! It does this based on some algorithm in relation to size of storage space but it does not inform you of "its" decision to do so. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 10:41 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem It was a new machine with W8 immediately upgraded to 10. Been using it for a few months though. On Mar 7, 2016 10:29, wrote: > Glad you got it working, what I meant was, was this a fresh install of > windows 10 to your laptop, or was it an upgrade. the reason I point > this out is that in our environment, we have had more issues with > windows 8 and > 10 when users upgraded instead of performing a fresh install and > migrating their data. > > keep those backups handy, looks like they are needed ;) -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Mon Mar 7 14:02:48 2016 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 14:02:48 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem In-Reply-To: References: <56DAF374.70405@Gmail.com> <56DB9D2C.7080401@Gmail.com> <56DBBA7E.4050708@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <049801d178ac$52df77e0$f89e67a0$@winhaven.net> System restore is certainly not the end all of solutions but it is something I can attempt to use on small business/home systems when trouble arises. 50/50 results (if its turned on). Good backups are the solution :-) Thanks for the pointer about how/where it stores its sets. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 1:24 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem Yep Win-10 is a source of many system changes - Today ( post the latest update) I got a message that "An app default was reset" as the original app would not handle the association. Well I found that IRFANVIEW is no longer handling .gif files Well - when I checked, it seems to have no problem with the files. Re system restore - etc. Note File History is limited in the length of filenames that it can handle, and when it has not decided to just stop - it puts the backup copies it does create into an unprotected folder - Oh! yes - and it is quite happy to 'save' sets of outlook files while outlook is updating them! - so move a folder to archive and you may find the archive save was done before the move completed, and the source .pst was saved after the folder had been 'removed' Considering the system restore facility - I note that every so-often my system response goes to pitifully annoyingly slow as it reads through the entire OS drive -to update the SINGLE image of the system it maintains. I use Paragon to create an approximately monthly backup of the partition - and then weekly/daily backups of things like email and wot I type-in myself. Regards, and thanks for the detail JimB ------------------- -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Monday, March 7, 2016 5:49 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem Importance: High Oddly enough, the Win10 problems I've had to deal with were mostly a few months after the upgrade. Haven't had any after a clean install. AND make sure it doesn't disable your System Restore! It does this based on some algorithm in relation to size of storage space but it does not inform you of "its" decision to do so. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 10:41 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem It was a new machine with W8 immediately upgraded to 10. Been using it for a few months though. On Mar 7, 2016 10:29, wrote: > Glad you got it working, what I meant was, was this a fresh install of > windows 10 to your laptop, or was it an upgrade. the reason I point > this out is that in our environment, we have had more issues with > windows 8 and > 10 when users upgraded instead of performing a fresh install and > migrating their data. > > keep those backups handy, looks like they are needed ;) -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Mon Mar 7 17:39:40 2016 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 23:39:40 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem In-Reply-To: References: <56DAF374.70405@Gmail.com> <56DB9D2C.7080401@Gmail.com> <56DBBA7E.4050708@Gmail.com> Message-ID: Yeah, I get this a lot. (and same (non) 'issue' with Irfanview too). I think it is because MS cannot believe you would want to use a 3rd party software solution that is proven, deeply functional and rock solid reliable over one of their barely functional Apps from their store. Dunno. Maybe I am being too cynical. Or maybe not. :) I also have to use the shift key with "Power off" option these days to fully shut down the unit, otherwise it tries to shut down, fails and goes back to the login screen. Sleep works as expected though. Cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button Sent: Tuesday, 8 March 2016 6:24 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem Yep Win-10 is a source of many system changes - Today ( post the latest update) I got a message that "An app default was reset" as the original app would not handle the association. Well I found that IRFANVIEW is no longer handling .gif files Well - when I checked, it seems to have no problem with the files. Re system restore - etc. Note File History is limited in the length of filenames that it can handle, and when it has not decided to just stop - it puts the backup copies it does create into an unprotected folder - Oh! yes - and it is quite happy to 'save' sets of outlook files while outlook is updating them! - so move a folder to archive and you may find the archive save was done before the move completed, and the source .pst was saved after the folder had been 'removed' Considering the system restore facility - I note that every so-often my system response goes to pitifully annoyingly slow as it reads through the entire OS drive -to update the SINGLE image of the system it maintains. I use Paragon to create an approximately monthly backup of the partition - and then weekly/daily backups of things like email and wot I type-in myself. Regards, and thanks for the detail JimB ------------------- -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Monday, March 7, 2016 5:49 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem Importance: High Oddly enough, the Win10 problems I've had to deal with were mostly a few months after the upgrade. Haven't had any after a clean install. AND make sure it doesn't disable your System Restore! It does this based on some algorithm in relation to size of storage space but it does not inform you of "its" decision to do so. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 10:41 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem It was a new machine with W8 immediately upgraded to 10. Been using it for a few months though. On Mar 7, 2016 10:29, wrote: > Glad you got it working, what I meant was, was this a fresh install of > windows 10 to your laptop, or was it an upgrade. the reason I point > this out is that in our environment, we have had more issues with > windows 8 and > 10 when users upgraded instead of performing a fresh install and > migrating their data. > > keep those backups handy, looks like they are needed ;) -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Mon Mar 7 22:06:24 2016 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 22:06:24 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem In-Reply-To: References: <56DAF374.70405@Gmail.com> <56DB9D2C.7080401@Gmail.com> <56DBBA7E.4050708@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <054a01d178ef$e1c73220$a5559660$@winhaven.net> Not. I just attempted to play iTunes MPEG-4 AAC with "Groove music player" in Win10. Starts to open the file and crashes. So I right clicked and choose to always open with Windows Media Player. Worked a charm. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 5:40 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem Yeah, I get this a lot. (and same (non) 'issue' with Irfanview too). I think it is because MS cannot believe you would want to use a 3rd party software solution that is proven, deeply functional and rock solid reliable over one of their barely functional Apps from their store. Dunno. Maybe I am being too cynical. Or maybe not. :) I also have to use the shift key with "Power off" option these days to fully shut down the unit, otherwise it tries to shut down, fails and goes back to the login screen. Sleep works as expected though. Cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button Sent: Tuesday, 8 March 2016 6:24 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem Yep Win-10 is a source of many system changes - Today ( post the latest update) I got a message that "An app default was reset" as the original app would not handle the association. Well I found that IRFANVIEW is no longer handling .gif files Well - when I checked, it seems to have no problem with the files. Re system restore - etc. Note File History is limited in the length of filenames that it can handle, and when it has not decided to just stop - it puts the backup copies it does create into an unprotected folder - Oh! yes - and it is quite happy to 'save' sets of outlook files while outlook is updating them! - so move a folder to archive and you may find the archive save was done before the move completed, and the source .pst was saved after the folder had been 'removed' Considering the system restore facility - I note that every so-often my system response goes to pitifully annoyingly slow as it reads through the entire OS drive -to update the SINGLE image of the system it maintains. I use Paragon to create an approximately monthly backup of the partition - and then weekly/daily backups of things like email and wot I type-in myself. Regards, and thanks for the detail JimB ------------------- -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Monday, March 7, 2016 5:49 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem Importance: High Oddly enough, the Win10 problems I've had to deal with were mostly a few months after the upgrade. Haven't had any after a clean install. AND make sure it doesn't disable your System Restore! It does this based on some algorithm in relation to size of storage space but it does not inform you of "its" decision to do so. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 10:41 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem It was a new machine with W8 immediately upgraded to 10. Been using it for a few months though. On Mar 7, 2016 10:29, wrote: > Glad you got it working, what I meant was, was this a fresh install of > windows 10 to your laptop, or was it an upgrade. the reason I point > this out is that in our environment, we have had more issues with > windows 8 and > 10 when users upgraded instead of performing a fresh install and > migrating their data. > > keep those backups handy, looks like they are needed ;) -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Mon Mar 7 23:27:58 2016 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2016 05:27:58 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem In-Reply-To: <054a01d178ef$e1c73220$a5559660$@winhaven.net> References: <56DAF374.70405@Gmail.com> <56DB9D2C.7080401@Gmail.com> <56DBBA7E.4050708@Gmail.com> <054a01d178ef$e1c73220$a5559660$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Yeah, that has been my experience today on the few windows 10 apps I have tried. They are too 'bare bones', too many compromises and go 'splat!' too often for my tastes. There is absolutely no reason to stop using the already superior alternatives available. I also cannot figure out why anyone would prefer to use a stripped down phone style app over a better, richer experience using a fully functional software package, at least when using big and powerful PC unit. I like my android apps on the phone and they work great on the smaller form factor, but I much prefer using more powerful and functional software when I have the choice. Cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Tuesday, 8 March 2016 3:06 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem Importance: High Not. I just attempted to play iTunes MPEG-4 AAC with "Groove music player" in Win10. Starts to open the file and crashes. So I right clicked and choose to always open with Windows Media Player. Worked a charm. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 5:40 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem Yeah, I get this a lot. (and same (non) 'issue' with Irfanview too). I think it is because MS cannot believe you would want to use a 3rd party software solution that is proven, deeply functional and rock solid reliable over one of their barely functional Apps from their store. Dunno. Maybe I am being too cynical. Or maybe not. :) I also have to use the shift key with "Power off" option these days to fully shut down the unit, otherwise it tries to shut down, fails and goes back to the login screen. Sleep works as expected though. Cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button Sent: Tuesday, 8 March 2016 6:24 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem Yep Win-10 is a source of many system changes - Today ( post the latest update) I got a message that "An app default was reset" as the original app would not handle the association. Well I found that IRFANVIEW is no longer handling .gif files Well - when I checked, it seems to have no problem with the files. Re system restore - etc. Note File History is limited in the length of filenames that it can handle, and when it has not decided to just stop - it puts the backup copies it does create into an unprotected folder - Oh! yes - and it is quite happy to 'save' sets of outlook files while outlook is updating them! - so move a folder to archive and you may find the archive save was done before the move completed, and the source .pst was saved after the folder had been 'removed' Considering the system restore facility - I note that every so-often my system response goes to pitifully annoyingly slow as it reads through the entire OS drive -to update the SINGLE image of the system it maintains. I use Paragon to create an approximately monthly backup of the partition - and then weekly/daily backups of things like email and wot I type-in myself. Regards, and thanks for the detail JimB ------------------- -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Monday, March 7, 2016 5:49 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem Importance: High Oddly enough, the Win10 problems I've had to deal with were mostly a few months after the upgrade. Haven't had any after a clean install. AND make sure it doesn't disable your System Restore! It does this based on some algorithm in relation to size of storage space but it does not inform you of "its" decision to do so. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 10:41 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem It was a new machine with W8 immediately upgraded to 10. Been using it for a few months though. On Mar 7, 2016 10:29, wrote: > Glad you got it working, what I meant was, was this a fresh install of > windows 10 to your laptop, or was it an upgrade. the reason I point > this out is that in our environment, we have had more issues with > windows 8 and > 10 when users upgraded instead of performing a fresh install and > migrating their data. > > keep those backups handy, looks like they are needed ;) -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Mon Mar 7 23:53:46 2016 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 23:53:46 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem In-Reply-To: References: <56DAF374.70405@Gmail.com> <56DB9D2C.7080401@Gmail.com> <56DBBA7E.4050708@Gmail.com> <054a01d178ef$e1c73220$a5559660$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: I wholeheartedly agree. While I may not be able to run Windows Media Player on my Windows phone -yet, maybe with the Lumia 950 I could :-P, I certainly can and will use it on my PCs and other devices capable of doing so. The pendulum may swing from one end of the arc to the other but I don't have to. I still love the startup tune for Windows 98. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 11:28 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem Yeah, that has been my experience today on the few windows 10 apps I have tried. They are too 'bare bones', too many compromises and go 'splat!' too often for my tastes. There is absolutely no reason to stop using the already superior alternatives available. I also cannot figure out why anyone would prefer to use a stripped down phone style app over a better, richer experience using a fully functional software package, at least when using big and powerful PC unit. I like my android apps on the phone and they work great on the smaller form factor, but I much prefer using more powerful and functional software when I have the choice. Cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Tuesday, 8 March 2016 3:06 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem Importance: High Not. I just attempted to play iTunes MPEG-4 AAC with "Groove music player" in Win10. Starts to open the file and crashes. So I right clicked and choose to always open with Windows Media Player. Worked a charm. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 5:40 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem Yeah, I get this a lot. (and same (non) 'issue' with Irfanview too). I think it is because MS cannot believe you would want to use a 3rd party software solution that is proven, deeply functional and rock solid reliable over one of their barely functional Apps from their store. Dunno. Maybe I am being too cynical. Or maybe not. :) I also have to use the shift key with "Power off" option these days to fully shut down the unit, otherwise it tries to shut down, fails and goes back to the login screen. Sleep works as expected though. Cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button Sent: Tuesday, 8 March 2016 6:24 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem Yep Win-10 is a source of many system changes - Today ( post the latest update) I got a message that "An app default was reset" as the original app would not handle the association. Well I found that IRFANVIEW is no longer handling .gif files Well - when I checked, it seems to have no problem with the files. Re system restore - etc. Note File History is limited in the length of filenames that it can handle, and when it has not decided to just stop - it puts the backup copies it does create into an unprotected folder - Oh! yes - and it is quite happy to 'save' sets of outlook files while outlook is updating them! - so move a folder to archive and you may find the archive save was done before the move completed, and the source .pst was saved after the folder had been 'removed' Considering the system restore facility - I note that every so-often my system response goes to pitifully annoyingly slow as it reads through the entire OS drive -to update the SINGLE image of the system it maintains. I use Paragon to create an approximately monthly backup of the partition - and then weekly/daily backups of things like email and wot I type-in myself. Regards, and thanks for the detail JimB ------------------- -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Monday, March 7, 2016 5:49 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem Importance: High Oddly enough, the Win10 problems I've had to deal with were mostly a few months after the upgrade. Haven't had any after a clean install. AND make sure it doesn't disable your System Restore! It does this based on some algorithm in relation to size of storage space but it does not inform you of "its" decision to do so. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 10:41 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem It was a new machine with W8 immediately upgraded to 10. Been using it for a few months though. On Mar 7, 2016 10:29, wrote: > Glad you got it working, what I meant was, was this a fresh install of > windows 10 to your laptop, or was it an upgrade. the reason I point > this out is that in our environment, we have had more issues with > windows 8 and > 10 when users upgraded instead of performing a fresh install and > migrating their data. > > keep those backups handy, looks like they are needed ;) -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com Tue Mar 8 07:51:59 2016 From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2016 13:51:59 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] An app default was reset - was Further to keyboard problem Message-ID: Same thing happened to me a few weeks ago. The smart money is on it being caused by Windows update KB3135173. See http://betanews.com/2016/02/16/has-windows-10-reset-your-default-apps-back-to-microsoft-stock/ http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2447177/updategate-windows-10-is-resetting-default-apps-back-to-microsoft-stock for instance. I removed it, which fixed the problem and so far it has not been forced back onto my system (Windows 10 Home, so I have little control over updates). Lambert -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 12:54 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem Importance: High I wholeheartedly agree. While I may not be able to run Windows Media Player on my Windows phone -yet, maybe with the Lumia 950 I could :-P, I certainly can and will use it on my PCs and other devices capable of doing so. The pendulum may swing from one end of the arc to the other but I don't have to. I still love the startup tune for Windows 98. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 11:28 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem Yeah, that has been my experience today on the few windows 10 apps I have tried. They are too 'bare bones', too many compromises and go 'splat!' too often for my tastes. There is absolutely no reason to stop using the already superior alternatives available. I also cannot figure out why anyone would prefer to use a stripped down phone style app over a better, richer experience using a fully functional software package, at least when using big and powerful PC unit. I like my android apps on the phone and they work great on the smaller form factor, but I much prefer using more powerful and functional software when I have the choice. Cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Tuesday, 8 March 2016 3:06 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem Importance: High Not. I just attempted to play iTunes MPEG-4 AAC with "Groove music player" in Win10. Starts to open the file and crashes. So I right clicked and choose to always open with Windows Media Player. Worked a charm. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 5:40 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem Yeah, I get this a lot. (and same (non) 'issue' with Irfanview too). I think it is because MS cannot believe you would want to use a 3rd party software solution that is proven, deeply functional and rock solid reliable over one of their barely functional Apps from their store. Dunno. Maybe I am being too cynical. Or maybe not. :) I also have to use the shift key with "Power off" option these days to fully shut down the unit, otherwise it tries to shut down, fails and goes back to the login screen. Sleep works as expected though. Cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button Sent: Tuesday, 8 March 2016 6:24 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem Yep Win-10 is a source of many system changes - Today ( post the latest update) I got a message that "An app default was reset" as the original app would not handle the association. Well I found that IRFANVIEW is no longer handling .gif files Well - when I checked, it seems to have no problem with the files. Re system restore - etc. Note File History is limited in the length of filenames that it can handle, and when it has not decided to just stop - it puts the backup copies it does create into an unprotected folder - Oh! yes - and it is quite happy to 'save' sets of outlook files while outlook is updating them! - so move a folder to archive and you may find the archive save was done before the move completed, and the source .pst was saved after the folder had been 'removed' Considering the system restore facility - I note that every so-often my system response goes to pitifully annoyingly slow as it reads through the entire OS drive -to update the SINGLE image of the system it maintains. I use Paragon to create an approximately monthly backup of the partition - and then weekly/daily backups of things like email and wot I type-in myself. Regards, and thanks for the detail JimB ------------------- -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Monday, March 7, 2016 5:49 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem Importance: High Oddly enough, the Win10 problems I've had to deal with were mostly a few months after the upgrade. Haven't had any after a clean install. AND make sure it doesn't disable your System Restore! It does this based on some algorithm in relation to size of storage space but it does not inform you of "its" decision to do so. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 10:41 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem It was a new machine with W8 immediately upgraded to 10. Been using it for a few months though. On Mar 7, 2016 10:29, wrote: > Glad you got it working, what I meant was, was this a fresh install of > windows 10 to your laptop, or was it an upgrade. the reason I point > this out is that in our environment, we have had more issues with > windows 8 and > 10 when users upgraded instead of performing a fresh install and > migrating their data. > > keep those backups handy, looks like they are needed ;) -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Tue Mar 8 08:28:08 2016 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2016 14:28:08 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] An app default was reset - was Further to keyboard problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The .gif thing was a more recent change than the 16 Feb amusement. But what really annoys is the - what do you want specifics for - attitude. If the update process can generate a message that an app association was changed - then it can identify the association - either by filetype, or by the app that was disenfranchised, or even identify the app that got enfranchised. Would MS be happy to get a message saying that "one of your payment requests has been discounted" Not likely - they'd almost certainly want some details - such as the payment request (invoice/bill) id They'd also be unhappy if the organisation deciding to ignore the request also started paying someone-else the money requested in their 'payment demands'. JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2016 1:52 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] An app default was reset - was Further to keyboard problem Same thing happened to me a few weeks ago. The smart money is on it being caused by Windows update KB3135173. See http://betanews.com/2016/02/16/has-windows-10-reset-your-default-apps-back-to-mi crosoft-stock/ http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2447177/updategate-windows-10-is-resett ing-default-apps-back-to-microsoft-stock for instance. I removed it, which fixed the problem and so far it has not been forced back onto my system (Windows 10 Home, so I have little control over updates). Lambert -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 12:54 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem Importance: High I wholeheartedly agree. While I may not be able to run Windows Media Player on my Windows phone -yet, maybe with the Lumia 950 I could :-P, I certainly can and will use it on my PCs and other devices capable of doing so. The pendulum may swing from one end of the arc to the other but I don't have to. I still love the startup tune for Windows 98. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 11:28 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem Yeah, that has been my experience today on the few windows 10 apps I have tried. They are too 'bare bones', too many compromises and go 'splat!' too often for my tastes. There is absolutely no reason to stop using the already superior alternatives available. I also cannot figure out why anyone would prefer to use a stripped down phone style app over a better, richer experience using a fully functional software package, at least when using big and powerful PC unit. I like my android apps on the phone and they work great on the smaller form factor, but I much prefer using more powerful and functional software when I have the choice. Cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Tuesday, 8 March 2016 3:06 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem Importance: High Not. I just attempted to play iTunes MPEG-4 AAC with "Groove music player" in Win10. Starts to open the file and crashes. So I right clicked and choose to always open with Windows Media Player. Worked a charm. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 5:40 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem Yeah, I get this a lot. (and same (non) 'issue' with Irfanview too). I think it is because MS cannot believe you would want to use a 3rd party software solution that is proven, deeply functional and rock solid reliable over one of their barely functional Apps from their store. Dunno. Maybe I am being too cynical. Or maybe not. :) I also have to use the shift key with "Power off" option these days to fully shut down the unit, otherwise it tries to shut down, fails and goes back to the login screen. Sleep works as expected though. Cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button Sent: Tuesday, 8 March 2016 6:24 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem Yep Win-10 is a source of many system changes - Today ( post the latest update) I got a message that "An app default was reset" as the original app would not handle the association. Well I found that IRFANVIEW is no longer handling .gif files Well - when I checked, it seems to have no problem with the files. Re system restore - etc. Note File History is limited in the length of filenames that it can handle, and when it has not decided to just stop - it puts the backup copies it does create into an unprotected folder - Oh! yes - and it is quite happy to 'save' sets of outlook files while outlook is updating them! - so move a folder to archive and you may find the archive save was done before the move completed, and the source .pst was saved after the folder had been 'removed' Considering the system restore facility - I note that every so-often my system response goes to pitifully annoyingly slow as it reads through the entire OS drive -to update the SINGLE image of the system it maintains. I use Paragon to create an approximately monthly backup of the partition - and then weekly/daily backups of things like email and wot I type-in myself. Regards, and thanks for the detail JimB ------------------- -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Monday, March 7, 2016 5:49 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem Importance: High Oddly enough, the Win10 problems I've had to deal with were mostly a few months after the upgrade. Haven't had any after a clean install. AND make sure it doesn't disable your System Restore! It does this based on some algorithm in relation to size of storage space but it does not inform you of "its" decision to do so. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 10:41 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem It was a new machine with W8 immediately upgraded to 10. Been using it for a few months though. On Mar 7, 2016 10:29, wrote: > Glad you got it working, what I meant was, was this a fresh install of > windows 10 to your laptop, or was it an upgrade. the reason I point > this out is that in our environment, we have had more issues with > windows 8 and > 10 when users upgraded instead of performing a fresh install and > migrating their data. > > keep those backups handy, looks like they are needed ;) -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Tue Mar 8 09:55:48 2016 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2016 15:55:48 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] An app default was reset - was Further to keyboard problem Message-ID: Hi James et al I think you should have in mind that many - if not all - of these "actings" are aimed at the average and below Windows user, given that a system functioning at a lower but stable level is preferable to an unstable system. When I meet a pc managed by a consumer user I'm often surprised at what level even decent hardware can be mocked up - close to useless. And the owner has no clue how to improve the situation other than buying a new computer and rerun the saga. You and most from this list can manage around the bumps. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af James Button Sendt: 8. marts 2016 15:28 Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Emne: Re: [AccessD] An app default was reset - was Further to keyboard problem The .gif thing was a more recent change than the 16 Feb amusement. But what really annoys is the - what do you want specifics for - attitude. If the update process can generate a message that an app association was changed - then it can identify the association - either by filetype, or by the app that was disenfranchised, or even identify the app that got enfranchised. Would MS be happy to get a message saying that "one of your payment requests has been discounted" Not likely - they'd almost certainly want some details - such as the payment request (invoice/bill) id They'd also be unhappy if the organisation deciding to ignore the request also started paying someone-else the money requested in their 'payment demands'. JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2016 1:52 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] An app default was reset - was Further to keyboard problem Same thing happened to me a few weeks ago. The smart money is on it being caused by Windows update KB3135173. See http://betanews.com/2016/02/16/has-windows-10-reset-your-default-apps-back-to-mi crosoft-stock/ http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2447177/updategate-windows-10-is-resett ing-default-apps-back-to-microsoft-stock for instance. I removed it, which fixed the problem and so far it has not been forced back onto my system (Windows 10 Home, so I have little control over updates). Lambert -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 12:54 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem Importance: High I wholeheartedly agree. While I may not be able to run Windows Media Player on my Windows phone -yet, maybe with the Lumia 950 I could :-P, I certainly can and will use it on my PCs and other devices capable of doing so. The pendulum may swing from one end of the arc to the other but I don't have to. I still love the startup tune for Windows 98. From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Tue Mar 8 10:53:04 2016 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2016 16:53:04 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] An app default was reset - was Further to keyboard problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gustav, Agreed - "stable level is preferable" To most users. Most of my annoyance is that Microsoft are not providing that - either within an instance of their software, or, within the progress of the software they provide. As in it is not necessary to completely change the user interface - or ship part completed products - as in The, for the unwary, IE replacement with Edge. And the change to the update process - A prime instance of what I am complaining about being that you need to have specialist and somewhat in-depth knowledge of Windows in order to maintain a stable working environment for just Windows 10 - as in dealing with problematic updates. Used to be you could delay updates until a couple of days after the release - and by rote - take a backup BEFORE the update run, and from that easily exclude any reported as causing problems. Now - by the time you hear about a problem it's already on your system - without you getting a chance to take a backup of the system as-at-before the changes. And - you then need to instigate a special 'startup' (if your system will startup) in order to REMOVE the problematic change. And considering your Windows Drive backup facility - well if you have it running frequently - then expect the updates to be incorporated into the restore image before you find out you need to go-back to a prior image, let alone actually get to work out how to, and actually get the PC to a state where you can select the Restore process. Again - technical action, that embodies problems for even the technically knowledgeable and experienced, imposed on all, including the non-technical who just want to user their system as they normally do, and without any special recovery actions being needed! And - for those with XP 'stuff' that is not supported by Win 7 - MS seem to be expending considerable effort in ensuring that they will find difficulty getting a reset (to the shipped OEM licenced state) XP system back to the end-of-support date setting - e.g you cannot access the updater facility with IE6 or 7, and you cannot install IE8 until you have updated an as -shipped XP-SP1 or SP2 system to -SP3. Anyone remember being told by the PC salesperson that Microsoft would take action to make their purchase unusable after April 2014! Well - we all have 300+ to get a replacement PC now, so we can endure the win-10 upgrades before mid 2016, or pay 200 for a win-10 upgrade after that JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2016 3:56 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] An app default was reset - was Further to keyboard problem Hi James et al I think you should have in mind that many - if not all - of these "actings" are aimed at the average and below Windows user, given that a system functioning at a lower but stable level is preferable to an unstable system. When I meet a pc managed by a consumer user I'm often surprised at what level even decent hardware can be mocked up - close to useless. And the owner has no clue how to improve the situation other than buying a new computer and rerun the saga. You and most from this list can manage around the bumps. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af James Button Sendt: 8. marts 2016 15:28 Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Emne: Re: [AccessD] An app default was reset - was Further to keyboard problem The .gif thing was a more recent change than the 16 Feb amusement. But what really annoys is the - what do you want specifics for - attitude. If the update process can generate a message that an app association was changed - then it can identify the association - either by filetype, or by the app that was disenfranchised, or even identify the app that got enfranchised. Would MS be happy to get a message saying that "one of your payment requests has been discounted" Not likely - they'd almost certainly want some details - such as the payment request (invoice/bill) id They'd also be unhappy if the organisation deciding to ignore the request also started paying someone-else the money requested in their 'payment demands'. JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2016 1:52 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] An app default was reset - was Further to keyboard problem Same thing happened to me a few weeks ago. The smart money is on it being caused by Windows update KB3135173. See http://betanews.com/2016/02/16/has-windows-10-reset-your-default-apps-back-to-mi crosoft-stock/ http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2447177/updategate-windows-10-is-resett ing-default-apps-back-to-microsoft-stock for instance. I removed it, which fixed the problem and so far it has not been forced back onto my system (Windows 10 Home, so I have little control over updates). Lambert -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 12:54 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem Importance: High I wholeheartedly agree. While I may not be able to run Windows Media Player on my Windows phone -yet, maybe with the Lumia 950 I could :-P, I certainly can and will use it on my PCs and other devices capable of doing so. The pendulum may swing from one end of the arc to the other but I don't have to. I still love the startup tune for Windows 98. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Tue Mar 8 17:41:28 2016 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2016 23:41:28 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] An app default was reset - was Further to keyboard problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yeah, I can appreciate that many folks are totally clueless and MS has to deal with them all - from the smartest to the dumbest. However they should provide the option for more sophisticated users to get better UI feedback when things happen and maybe a zippo feedback for some is also a good idea (although those folk probably already purchase Apple products). I don't want to see "Just wait, we're updating your system" with pretty colours rotating. I want to see what you darn well are doing - exactly what you are updating and when. In fact just telling 'mum and dad' type users that "You app has been reset" is only going to confuse the crap out of them anyway. That'll be another "My computer has a virus" call to me that I will have to log in using teamviewer and check out. I appreciate there is probably no easy answer here - although I am big fan of giving people choices and options on these things. And that seems to be becoming less and less an option. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: 9 March, 2016 2:56 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] An app default was reset - was Further to keyboard problem Hi James et al I think you should have in mind that many - if not all - of these "actings" are aimed at the average and below Windows user, given that a system functioning at a lower but stable level is preferable to an unstable system. When I meet a pc managed by a consumer user I'm often surprised at what level even decent hardware can be mocked up - close to useless. And the owner has no clue how to improve the situation other than buying a new computer and rerun the saga. You and most from this list can manage around the bumps. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af James Button Sendt: 8. marts 2016 15:28 Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Emne: Re: [AccessD] An app default was reset - was Further to keyboard problem The .gif thing was a more recent change than the 16 Feb amusement. But what really annoys is the - what do you want specifics for - attitude. If the update process can generate a message that an app association was changed - then it can identify the association - either by filetype, or by the app that was disenfranchised, or even identify the app that got enfranchised. Would MS be happy to get a message saying that "one of your payment requests has been discounted" Not likely - they'd almost certainly want some details - such as the payment request (invoice/bill) id They'd also be unhappy if the organisation deciding to ignore the request also started paying someone-else the money requested in their 'payment demands'. JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2016 1:52 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] An app default was reset - was Further to keyboard problem Same thing happened to me a few weeks ago. The smart money is on it being caused by Windows update KB3135173. See http://betanews.com/2016/02/16/has-windows-10-reset-your-default-apps-back-to-mi crosoft-stock/ http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2447177/updategate-windows-10-is-resett ing-default-apps-back-to-microsoft-stock for instance. I removed it, which fixed the problem and so far it has not been forced back onto my system (Windows 10 Home, so I have little control over updates). Lambert -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 12:54 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem Importance: High I wholeheartedly agree. While I may not be able to run Windows Media Player on my Windows phone -yet, maybe with the Lumia 950 I could :-P, I certainly can and will use it on my PCs and other devices capable of doing so. The pendulum may swing from one end of the arc to the other but I don't have to. I still love the startup tune for Windows 98. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com Thu Mar 10 13:38:55 2016 From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 19:38:55 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games Message-ID: Here's another fine example of the trials and tribulations of Windows Update. On the evening of March 5th, having left my Windows 10 box running unattended for a couple of hours, I came back to it to find a blue screen telling me that "Automatic Repair couldn't repair your PC", and I had the option to Shut Down or go to Advanced Options. Naturally I chose Advanced Options and was presented with another screen with a variety of choices, including: * Restart the PC - tried that, with no luck. Back to the same screen. * Retry Automatic Repair - tried that and it failed after a few minutes * Reset the PC - did not like the looks of that * Restore from a Restore Point - That looked good as I did have some restore points. When I tried it, I was shown a list of available restore points, but when I chose any of them and hit the button to move on all I got was an error about some instruction referencing memory is some whacky location. In short Resorting was not going to happen. I went around the options a couple of times, but after an hour had made no progress so I gave up and powered off, thinking "looks like I need to dig out that Windows install DVD". Just for kicks and giggles I powered it up again straight away, and to my surprise and delight the thing booted up into the normal login screen. So logged in and immediately created a new restore point. At that point I powered down and went to bed. Then on March 8th, having left the machine running and idle for a longish time the same thing happened. Got the "Automatic Repair couldn't repair your PC" screen. This time however I was up and running in a few minutes as the restore point I created on the 5th was functional. It seemed evident to me that I was falling foul of an automatic update that was happening during idle time. Having only Windows 10 Home I have essentially no control over the update process. So I took a look at my update history and sure enough, on the 5th and 8th there were entries showing one of those cumulative updates having failed to install (forget the KB number, but I can post it later if anyone wants to know). Then last night, while looking into the situation again, I opened the windows update screen and saw that there was a new cumulative update dated March 9th awaiting download and installation. So I thought, perhaps if I let that one get installed, being later than and so superseding the update that had failed twice, perhaps this new update will have had the bugs swept out of it. Sure enough, it did in fact successfully install without any problems. Pity the poor average Joe presented with this situation. I see lots of money being handed over to Geek Squad to sort this out for non-computer savvy users. And I wonder when something bad like this will crop up again. Lambert From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Mar 10 14:06:47 2016 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 20:06:47 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Can't help with your enjoyment of your "enhanced user experience". However I would use the Microsoft Chat Line facility - take a few hours of a Microsoft technician's time to make the point that your 'Windows 10' system is experiencing problems with the Microsoft 'Update facility' Both keyword sets qualify for 'no-charge support' Expect to have a good experienced technician take a couple of hours to investigate and fix the problem using remote access, and one of the less good ones to faf around for most of their working day. Make sure that you have their ref number, and the web link to get back to that tech after they restart your system. JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:39 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'ACCESS-L Email (ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM)'; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games Here's another fine example of the trials and tribulations of Windows Update. On the evening of March 5th, having left my Windows 10 box running unattended for a couple of hours, I came back to it to find a blue screen telling me that "Automatic Repair couldn't repair your PC", and I had the option to Shut Down or go to Advanced Options. Naturally I chose Advanced Options and was presented with another screen with a variety of choices, including: * Restart the PC - tried that, with no luck. Back to the same screen. * Retry Automatic Repair - tried that and it failed after a few minutes * Reset the PC - did not like the looks of that * Restore from a Restore Point - That looked good as I did have some restore points. When I tried it, I was shown a list of available restore points, but when I chose any of them and hit the button to move on all I got was an error about some instruction referencing memory is some whacky location. In short Resorting was not going to happen. I went around the options a couple of times, but after an hour had made no progress so I gave up and powered off, thinking "looks like I need to dig out that Windows install DVD". Just for kicks and giggles I powered it up again straight away, and to my surprise and delight the thing booted up into the normal login screen. So logged in and immediately created a new restore point. At that point I powered down and went to bed. Then on March 8th, having left the machine running and idle for a longish time the same thing happened. Got the "Automatic Repair couldn't repair your PC" screen. This time however I was up and running in a few minutes as the restore point I created on the 5th was functional. It seemed evident to me that I was falling foul of an automatic update that was happening during idle time. Having only Windows 10 Home I have essentially no control over the update process. So I took a look at my update history and sure enough, on the 5th and 8th there were entries showing one of those cumulative updates having failed to install (forget the KB number, but I can post it later if anyone wants to know). Then last night, while looking into the situation again, I opened the windows update screen and saw that there was a new cumulative update dated March 9th awaiting download and installation. So I thought, perhaps if I let that one get installed, being later than and so superseding the update that had failed twice, perhaps this new update will have had the bugs swept out of it. Sure enough, it did in fact successfully install without any problems. Pity the poor average Joe presented with this situation. I see lots of money being handed over to Geek Squad to sort this out for non-computer savvy users. And I wonder when something bad like this will crop up again. Lambert -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com Thu Mar 10 14:21:20 2016 From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 20:21:20 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for the tip regarding the keywords. I believe that things have now settled down now that I've got the most recent cumulative update, but I'll bear this in mind if there is a next time. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 3:07 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games Can't help with your enjoyment of your "enhanced user experience". However I would use the Microsoft Chat Line facility - take a few hours of a Microsoft technician's time to make the point that your 'Windows 10' system is experiencing problems with the Microsoft 'Update facility' Both keyword sets qualify for 'no-charge support' Expect to have a good experienced technician take a couple of hours to investigate and fix the problem using remote access, and one of the less good ones to faf around for most of their working day. Make sure that you have their ref number, and the web link to get back to that tech after they restart your system. JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:39 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'ACCESS-L Email (ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM)'; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games Here's another fine example of the trials and tribulations of Windows Update. On the evening of March 5th, having left my Windows 10 box running unattended for a couple of hours, I came back to it to find a blue screen telling me that "Automatic Repair couldn't repair your PC", and I had the option to Shut Down or go to Advanced Options. Naturally I chose Advanced Options and was presented with another screen with a variety of choices, including: * Restart the PC - tried that, with no luck. Back to the same screen. * Retry Automatic Repair - tried that and it failed after a few minutes * Reset the PC - did not like the looks of that * Restore from a Restore Point - That looked good as I did have some restore points. When I tried it, I was shown a list of available restore points, but when I chose any of them and hit the button to move on all I got was an error about some instruction referencing memory is some whacky location. In short Resorting was not going to happen. I went around the options a couple of times, but after an hour had made no progress so I gave up and powered off, thinking "looks like I need to dig out that Windows install DVD". Just for kicks and giggles I powered it up again straight away, and to my surprise and delight the thing booted up into the normal login screen. So logged in and immediately created a new restore point. At that point I powered down and went to bed. Then on March 8th, having left the machine running and idle for a longish time the same thing happened. Got the "Automatic Repair couldn't repair your PC" screen. This time however I was up and running in a few minutes as the restore point I created on the 5th was functional. It seemed evident to me that I was falling foul of an automatic update that was happening during idle time. Having only Windows 10 Home I have essentially no control over the update process. So I took a look at my update history and sure enough, on the 5th and 8th there were entries showing one of those cumulative updates having failed to install (forget the KB number, but I can post it later if anyone wants to know). Then last night, while looking into the situation again, I opened the windows update screen and saw that there was a new cumulative update dated March 9th awaiting download and installation. So I thought, perhaps if I let that one get installed, being later than and so superseding the update that had failed twice, perhaps this new update will have had the bugs swept out of it. Sure enough, it did in fact successfully install without any problems. Pity the poor average Joe presented with this situation. I see lots of money being handed over to Geek Squad to sort this out for non-computer savvy users. And I wonder when something bad like this will crop up again. Lambert -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Mar 10 14:34:02 2016 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 20:34:02 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You're welcome - Partly my proposal that their chat-line staff be asked to fix problems is that I don't know of a better way to have Microsoft take notice that there are problems with Windows 10 than to cost them money. And their attitude to the maintenance process that seems to be operated as if the instance of Windows-10 on users PC's not only belongs to Microsoft, but can also be altered as Microsoft's whim is, in my view NOT ACCEPTABLE. If anyone has a better idea, please advise me of that better approach JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:21 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games Thanks for the tip regarding the keywords. I believe that things have now settled down now that I've got the most recent cumulative update, but I'll bear this in mind if there is a next time. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 3:07 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games Can't help with your enjoyment of your "enhanced user experience". However I would use the Microsoft Chat Line facility - take a few hours of a Microsoft technician's time to make the point that your 'Windows 10' system is experiencing problems with the Microsoft 'Update facility' Both keyword sets qualify for 'no-charge support' Expect to have a good experienced technician take a couple of hours to investigate and fix the problem using remote access, and one of the less good ones to faf around for most of their working day. Make sure that you have their ref number, and the web link to get back to that tech after they restart your system. JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:39 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'ACCESS-L Email (ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM)'; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games Here's another fine example of the trials and tribulations of Windows Update. On the evening of March 5th, having left my Windows 10 box running unattended for a couple of hours, I came back to it to find a blue screen telling me that "Automatic Repair couldn't repair your PC", and I had the option to Shut Down or go to Advanced Options. Naturally I chose Advanced Options and was presented with another screen with a variety of choices, including: * Restart the PC - tried that, with no luck. Back to the same screen. * Retry Automatic Repair - tried that and it failed after a few minutes * Reset the PC - did not like the looks of that * Restore from a Restore Point - That looked good as I did have some restore points. When I tried it, I was shown a list of available restore points, but when I chose any of them and hit the button to move on all I got was an error about some instruction referencing memory is some whacky location. In short Resorting was not going to happen. I went around the options a couple of times, but after an hour had made no progress so I gave up and powered off, thinking "looks like I need to dig out that Windows install DVD". Just for kicks and giggles I powered it up again straight away, and to my surprise and delight the thing booted up into the normal login screen. So logged in and immediately created a new restore point. At that point I powered down and went to bed. Then on March 8th, having left the machine running and idle for a longish time the same thing happened. Got the "Automatic Repair couldn't repair your PC" screen. This time however I was up and running in a few minutes as the restore point I created on the 5th was functional. It seemed evident to me that I was falling foul of an automatic update that was happening during idle time. Having only Windows 10 Home I have essentially no control over the update process. So I took a look at my update history and sure enough, on the 5th and 8th there were entries showing one of those cumulative updates having failed to install (forget the KB number, but I can post it later if anyone wants to know). Then last night, while looking into the situation again, I opened the windows update screen and saw that there was a new cumulative update dated March 9th awaiting download and installation. So I thought, perhaps if I let that one get installed, being later than and so superseding the update that had failed twice, perhaps this new update will have had the bugs swept out of it. Sure enough, it did in fact successfully install without any problems. Pity the poor average Joe presented with this situation. I see lots of money being handed over to Geek Squad to sort this out for non-computer savvy users. And I wonder when something bad like this will crop up again. Lambert -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Mar 10 14:55:20 2016 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 15:55:20 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003201d17b0f$29764e00$7c62ea00$@gmail.com> It has become my "go-to" mantra for readers with strange unexplainable problems that just appear out of nowhere. :( Susan H. Then last night, while looking into the situation again, I opened the windows update screen and saw that there was a new cumulative update dated March 9th awaiting download and installation. So I thought, perhaps if I let that one get installed, being later than and so superseding the update that had failed twice, perhaps this new update will have had the bugs swept out of it. Sure enough, it did in fact successfully install without any problems. Pity the poor average Joe presented with this situation. I see lots of money being handed over to Geek Squad to sort this out for non-computer savvy users. And I wonder when something bad like this will crop up again. From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com Thu Mar 10 14:57:26 2016 From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 20:57:26 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I heartily agree that they need to suffer in compensation for the pain they cause us. But right now my system is working, so nothing to call them about. :-( Seems like the only way to have some measure of control over your system is to fork out the extra cash to buy the Pro version of Windows, which allows you to choose when and if updates are installed - so I understand. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 3:34 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games You're welcome - Partly my proposal that their chat-line staff be asked to fix problems is that I don't know of a better way to have Microsoft take notice that there are problems with Windows 10 than to cost them money. And their attitude to the maintenance process that seems to be operated as if the instance of Windows-10 on users PC's not only belongs to Microsoft, but can also be altered as Microsoft's whim is, in my view NOT ACCEPTABLE. If anyone has a better idea, please advise me of that better approach JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:21 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games Thanks for the tip regarding the keywords. I believe that things have now settled down now that I've got the most recent cumulative update, but I'll bear this in mind if there is a next time. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 3:07 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games Can't help with your enjoyment of your "enhanced user experience". However I would use the Microsoft Chat Line facility - take a few hours of a Microsoft technician's time to make the point that your 'Windows 10' system is experiencing problems with the Microsoft 'Update facility' Both keyword sets qualify for 'no-charge support' Expect to have a good experienced technician take a couple of hours to investigate and fix the problem using remote access, and one of the less good ones to faf around for most of their working day. Make sure that you have their ref number, and the web link to get back to that tech after they restart your system. JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:39 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'ACCESS-L Email (ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM)'; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games Here's another fine example of the trials and tribulations of Windows Update. On the evening of March 5th, having left my Windows 10 box running unattended for a couple of hours, I came back to it to find a blue screen telling me that "Automatic Repair couldn't repair your PC", and I had the option to Shut Down or go to Advanced Options. Naturally I chose Advanced Options and was presented with another screen with a variety of choices, including: * Restart the PC - tried that, with no luck. Back to the same screen. * Retry Automatic Repair - tried that and it failed after a few minutes * Reset the PC - did not like the looks of that * Restore from a Restore Point - That looked good as I did have some restore points. When I tried it, I was shown a list of available restore points, but when I chose any of them and hit the button to move on all I got was an error about some instruction referencing memory is some whacky location. In short Resorting was not going to happen. I went around the options a couple of times, but after an hour had made no progress so I gave up and powered off, thinking "looks like I need to dig out that Windows install DVD". Just for kicks and giggles I powered it up again straight away, and to my surprise and delight the thing booted up into the normal login screen. So logged in and immediately created a new restore point. At that point I powered down and went to bed. Then on March 8th, having left the machine running and idle for a longish time the same thing happened. Got the "Automatic Repair couldn't repair your PC" screen. This time however I was up and running in a few minutes as the restore point I created on the 5th was functional. It seemed evident to me that I was falling foul of an automatic update that was happening during idle time. Having only Windows 10 Home I have essentially no control over the update process. So I took a look at my update history and sure enough, on the 5th and 8th there were entries showing one of those cumulative updates having failed to install (forget the KB number, but I can post it later if anyone wants to know). Then last night, while looking into the situation again, I opened the windows update screen and saw that there was a new cumulative update dated March 9th awaiting download and installation. So I thought, perhaps if I let that one get installed, being later than and so superseding the update that had failed twice, perhaps this new update will have had the bugs swept out of it. Sure enough, it did in fact successfully install without any problems. Pity the poor average Joe presented with this situation. I see lots of money being handed over to Geek Squad to sort this out for non-computer savvy users. And I wonder when something bad like this will crop up again. Lambert -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Mar 10 15:27:20 2016 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 21:27:20 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not so - Pro version only includes a facility to delay a 'restart' for up-to a week. Fixes are still downloaded and applied as per Microsoft's whim, - well, and your web connection The only control you have is to delay the full installation/active use of the changes that require a 'Restart' to finish installing. ( as in those that Windows Update on 7 would cause the update facility to advise that a restart was required to complete the install) Remember that the Windows instance on a PC is usually set to do a fast-closedown&Fast -Startup as in Hibernate I have experienced at least 1 instance of where I believe a 'Fix' has reset the Delayed Full-closedown&Full-Restart I specified to a Full one on the next shutdown. I have also noticed that the 'Power' option changes from shut-down to (it's current setting) of "Update and Shutdown" or "Update and Restart" or the not appropriate "Sleep" - - considering that this system does not have a battery to supply power when the power is (as per fire insurance) turned off at the wall-switch. Yes - with this 64 bit Windows-10 (N) Pro system, I have NO option keep the system running, or - to comply with fire insurance requirements and turn off electrical equipment, So I'm stuck with "Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1511 for x64-based Systems (KB3140768)" being Installed - (and apparently . Definition Update for Microsoft Office 2010 (KB3114887) is also "Available") "Available" meaning I'm gonna get it regardless of my wishes, and if the system does restart I can then try to get rid of it) and any backup I take will - on restart repeat whatever problems I would in Windows-7 previously have taken a backup before the update was allowed to 'install' All I can do is ensure that 'my data' - as in emails and wot-I-typed-in is backed-up before I closedown JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:57 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games I heartily agree that they need to suffer in compensation for the pain they cause us. But right now my system is working, so nothing to call them about. :-( Seems like the only way to have some measure of control over your system is to fork out the extra cash to buy the Pro version of Windows, which allows you to choose when and if updates are installed - so I understand. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 3:34 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games You're welcome - Partly my proposal that their chat-line staff be asked to fix problems is that I don't know of a better way to have Microsoft take notice that there are problems with Windows 10 than to cost them money. And their attitude to the maintenance process that seems to be operated as if the instance of Windows-10 on users PC's not only belongs to Microsoft, but can also be altered as Microsoft's whim is, in my view NOT ACCEPTABLE. If anyone has a better idea, please advise me of that better approach JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:21 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games Thanks for the tip regarding the keywords. I believe that things have now settled down now that I've got the most recent cumulative update, but I'll bear this in mind if there is a next time. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 3:07 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games Can't help with your enjoyment of your "enhanced user experience". However I would use the Microsoft Chat Line facility - take a few hours of a Microsoft technician's time to make the point that your 'Windows 10' system is experiencing problems with the Microsoft 'Update facility' Both keyword sets qualify for 'no-charge support' Expect to have a good experienced technician take a couple of hours to investigate and fix the problem using remote access, and one of the less good ones to faf around for most of their working day. Make sure that you have their ref number, and the web link to get back to that tech after they restart your system. JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:39 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'ACCESS-L Email (ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM)'; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games Here's another fine example of the trials and tribulations of Windows Update. On the evening of March 5th, having left my Windows 10 box running unattended for a couple of hours, I came back to it to find a blue screen telling me that "Automatic Repair couldn't repair your PC", and I had the option to Shut Down or go to Advanced Options. Naturally I chose Advanced Options and was presented with another screen with a variety of choices, including: * Restart the PC - tried that, with no luck. Back to the same screen. * Retry Automatic Repair - tried that and it failed after a few minutes * Reset the PC - did not like the looks of that * Restore from a Restore Point - That looked good as I did have some restore points. When I tried it, I was shown a list of available restore points, but when I chose any of them and hit the button to move on all I got was an error about some instruction referencing memory is some whacky location. In short Resorting was not going to happen. I went around the options a couple of times, but after an hour had made no progress so I gave up and powered off, thinking "looks like I need to dig out that Windows install DVD". Just for kicks and giggles I powered it up again straight away, and to my surprise and delight the thing booted up into the normal login screen. So logged in and immediately created a new restore point. At that point I powered down and went to bed. Then on March 8th, having left the machine running and idle for a longish time the same thing happened. Got the "Automatic Repair couldn't repair your PC" screen. This time however I was up and running in a few minutes as the restore point I created on the 5th was functional. It seemed evident to me that I was falling foul of an automatic update that was happening during idle time. Having only Windows 10 Home I have essentially no control over the update process. So I took a look at my update history and sure enough, on the 5th and 8th there were entries showing one of those cumulative updates having failed to install (forget the KB number, but I can post it later if anyone wants to know). Then last night, while looking into the situation again, I opened the windows update screen and saw that there was a new cumulative update dated March 9th awaiting download and installation. So I thought, perhaps if I let that one get installed, being later than and so superseding the update that had failed twice, perhaps this new update will have had the bugs swept out of it. Sure enough, it did in fact successfully install without any problems. Pity the poor average Joe presented with this situation. I see lots of money being handed over to Geek Squad to sort this out for non-computer savvy users. And I wonder when something bad like this will crop up again. Lambert From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com Thu Mar 10 15:47:09 2016 From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 21:47:09 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: :-((( Well that's a PITA. So, as far us updated go, the only difference between Pro and Home seems to be that you can delay the agony for a week. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 4:27 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games Not so - Pro version only includes a facility to delay a 'restart' for up-to a week. Fixes are still downloaded and applied as per Microsoft's whim, - well, and your web connection The only control you have is to delay the full installation/active use of the changes that require a 'Restart' to finish installing. ( as in those that Windows Update on 7 would cause the update facility to advise that a restart was required to complete the install) Remember that the Windows instance on a PC is usually set to do a fast-closedown&Fast -Startup as in Hibernate I have experienced at least 1 instance of where I believe a 'Fix' has reset the Delayed Full-closedown&Full-Restart I specified to a Full one on the next shutdown. I have also noticed that the 'Power' option changes from shut-down to (it's current setting) of "Update and Shutdown" or "Update and Restart" or the not appropriate "Sleep" - - considering that this system does not have a battery to supply power when the power is (as per fire insurance) turned off at the wall-switch. Yes - with this 64 bit Windows-10 (N) Pro system, I have NO option keep the system running, or - to comply with fire insurance requirements and turn off electrical equipment, So I'm stuck with "Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1511 for x64-based Systems (KB3140768)" being Installed - (and apparently . Definition Update for Microsoft Office 2010 (KB3114887) is also "Available") "Available" meaning I'm gonna get it regardless of my wishes, and if the system does restart I can then try to get rid of it) and any backup I take will - on restart repeat whatever problems I would in Windows-7 previously have taken a backup before the update was allowed to 'install' All I can do is ensure that 'my data' - as in emails and wot-I-typed-in is backed-up before I closedown JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:57 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games I heartily agree that they need to suffer in compensation for the pain they cause us. But right now my system is working, so nothing to call them about. :-( Seems like the only way to have some measure of control over your system is to fork out the extra cash to buy the Pro version of Windows, which allows you to choose when and if updates are installed - so I understand. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 3:34 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games You're welcome - Partly my proposal that their chat-line staff be asked to fix problems is that I don't know of a better way to have Microsoft take notice that there are problems with Windows 10 than to cost them money. And their attitude to the maintenance process that seems to be operated as if the instance of Windows-10 on users PC's not only belongs to Microsoft, but can also be altered as Microsoft's whim is, in my view NOT ACCEPTABLE. If anyone has a better idea, please advise me of that better approach JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:21 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games Thanks for the tip regarding the keywords. I believe that things have now settled down now that I've got the most recent cumulative update, but I'll bear this in mind if there is a next time. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 3:07 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games Can't help with your enjoyment of your "enhanced user experience". However I would use the Microsoft Chat Line facility - take a few hours of a Microsoft technician's time to make the point that your 'Windows 10' system is experiencing problems with the Microsoft 'Update facility' Both keyword sets qualify for 'no-charge support' Expect to have a good experienced technician take a couple of hours to investigate and fix the problem using remote access, and one of the less good ones to faf around for most of their working day. Make sure that you have their ref number, and the web link to get back to that tech after they restart your system. JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:39 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'ACCESS-L Email (ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM)'; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games Here's another fine example of the trials and tribulations of Windows Update. On the evening of March 5th, having left my Windows 10 box running unattended for a couple of hours, I came back to it to find a blue screen telling me that "Automatic Repair couldn't repair your PC", and I had the option to Shut Down or go to Advanced Options. Naturally I chose Advanced Options and was presented with another screen with a variety of choices, including: * Restart the PC - tried that, with no luck. Back to the same screen. * Retry Automatic Repair - tried that and it failed after a few minutes * Reset the PC - did not like the looks of that * Restore from a Restore Point - That looked good as I did have some restore points. When I tried it, I was shown a list of available restore points, but when I chose any of them and hit the button to move on all I got was an error about some instruction referencing memory is some whacky location. In short Resorting was not going to happen. I went around the options a couple of times, but after an hour had made no progress so I gave up and powered off, thinking "looks like I need to dig out that Windows install DVD". Just for kicks and giggles I powered it up again straight away, and to my surprise and delight the thing booted up into the normal login screen. So logged in and immediately created a new restore point. At that point I powered down and went to bed. Then on March 8th, having left the machine running and idle for a longish time the same thing happened. Got the "Automatic Repair couldn't repair your PC" screen. This time however I was up and running in a few minutes as the restore point I created on the 5th was functional. It seemed evident to me that I was falling foul of an automatic update that was happening during idle time. Having only Windows 10 Home I have essentially no control over the update process. So I took a look at my update history and sure enough, on the 5th and 8th there were entries showing one of those cumulative updates having failed to install (forget the KB number, but I can post it later if anyone wants to know). Then last night, while looking into the situation again, I opened the windows update screen and saw that there was a new cumulative update dated March 9th awaiting download and installation. So I thought, perhaps if I let that one get installed, being later than and so superseding the update that had failed twice, perhaps this new update will have had the bugs swept out of it. Sure enough, it did in fact successfully install without any problems. Pity the poor average Joe presented with this situation. I see lots of money being handed over to Geek Squad to sort this out for non-computer savvy users. And I wonder when something bad like this will crop up again. Lambert -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Mar 10 15:57:04 2016 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 21:57:04 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well The aforementioned Win 10 update KB3140768 seems to have applied without catastrophic effect on this system. Tomorrow I'll be taking another incremental backup for use as a back-out restore if the next update causes severe annoyance. I don't trust the File History facility as it's far to happy to not do all files, or maybe just stop working a all, and the System Image takes over 3 hours elapsed @ over 75% CPU to change the single backup set to match the current system setup. (Paragon takes just over 2 hours elapsed for a new full backup!) JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:27 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games Not so - Pro version only includes a facility to delay a 'restart' for up-to a week. Fixes are still downloaded and applied as per Microsoft's whim, - well, and your web connection The only control you have is to delay the full installation/active use of the changes that require a 'Restart' to finish installing. ( as in those that Windows Update on 7 would cause the update facility to advise that a restart was required to complete the install) Remember that the Windows instance on a PC is usually set to do a fast-closedown&Fast -Startup as in Hibernate I have experienced at least 1 instance of where I believe a 'Fix' has reset the Delayed Full-closedown&Full-Restart I specified to a Full one on the next shutdown. I have also noticed that the 'Power' option changes from shut-down to (it's current setting) of "Update and Shutdown" or "Update and Restart" or the not appropriate "Sleep" - - considering that this system does not have a battery to supply power when the power is (as per fire insurance) turned off at the wall-switch. Yes - with this 64 bit Windows-10 (N) Pro system, I have NO option keep the system running, or - to comply with fire insurance requirements and turn off electrical equipment, So I'm stuck with "Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1511 for x64-based Systems (KB3140768)" being Installed - (and apparently . Definition Update for Microsoft Office 2010 (KB3114887) is also "Available") "Available" meaning I'm gonna get it regardless of my wishes, and if the system does restart I can then try to get rid of it) and any backup I take will - on restart repeat whatever problems I would in Windows-7 previously have taken a backup before the update was allowed to 'install' All I can do is ensure that 'my data' - as in emails and wot-I-typed-in is backed-up before I closedown JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:57 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games I heartily agree that they need to suffer in compensation for the pain they cause us. But right now my system is working, so nothing to call them about. :-( Seems like the only way to have some measure of control over your system is to fork out the extra cash to buy the Pro version of Windows, which allows you to choose when and if updates are installed - so I understand. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 3:34 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games You're welcome - Partly my proposal that their chat-line staff be asked to fix problems is that I don't know of a better way to have Microsoft take notice that there are problems with Windows 10 than to cost them money. And their attitude to the maintenance process that seems to be operated as if the instance of Windows-10 on users PC's not only belongs to Microsoft, but can also be altered as Microsoft's whim is, in my view NOT ACCEPTABLE. If anyone has a better idea, please advise me of that better approach JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:21 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games Thanks for the tip regarding the keywords. I believe that things have now settled down now that I've got the most recent cumulative update, but I'll bear this in mind if there is a next time. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 3:07 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games Can't help with your enjoyment of your "enhanced user experience". However I would use the Microsoft Chat Line facility - take a few hours of a Microsoft technician's time to make the point that your 'Windows 10' system is experiencing problems with the Microsoft 'Update facility' Both keyword sets qualify for 'no-charge support' Expect to have a good experienced technician take a couple of hours to investigate and fix the problem using remote access, and one of the less good ones to faf around for most of their working day. Make sure that you have their ref number, and the web link to get back to that tech after they restart your system. JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:39 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'ACCESS-L Email (ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM)'; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games Here's another fine example of the trials and tribulations of Windows Update. On the evening of March 5th, having left my Windows 10 box running unattended for a couple of hours, I came back to it to find a blue screen telling me that "Automatic Repair couldn't repair your PC", and I had the option to Shut Down or go to Advanced Options. Naturally I chose Advanced Options and was presented with another screen with a variety of choices, including: * Restart the PC - tried that, with no luck. Back to the same screen. * Retry Automatic Repair - tried that and it failed after a few minutes * Reset the PC - did not like the looks of that * Restore from a Restore Point - That looked good as I did have some restore points. When I tried it, I was shown a list of available restore points, but when I chose any of them and hit the button to move on all I got was an error about some instruction referencing memory is some whacky location. In short Resorting was not going to happen. I went around the options a couple of times, but after an hour had made no progress so I gave up and powered off, thinking "looks like I need to dig out that Windows install DVD". Just for kicks and giggles I powered it up again straight away, and to my surprise and delight the thing booted up into the normal login screen. So logged in and immediately created a new restore point. At that point I powered down and went to bed. Then on March 8th, having left the machine running and idle for a longish time the same thing happened. Got the "Automatic Repair couldn't repair your PC" screen. This time however I was up and running in a few minutes as the restore point I created on the 5th was functional. It seemed evident to me that I was falling foul of an automatic update that was happening during idle time. Having only Windows 10 Home I have essentially no control over the update process. So I took a look at my update history and sure enough, on the 5th and 8th there were entries showing one of those cumulative updates having failed to install (forget the KB number, but I can post it later if anyone wants to know). Then last night, while looking into the situation again, I opened the windows update screen and saw that there was a new cumulative update dated March 9th awaiting download and installation. So I thought, perhaps if I let that one get installed, being later than and so superseding the update that had failed twice, perhaps this new update will have had the bugs swept out of it. Sure enough, it did in fact successfully install without any problems. Pity the poor average Joe presented with this situation. I see lots of money being handed over to Geek Squad to sort this out for non-computer savvy users. And I wonder when something bad like this will crop up again. Lambert -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Mar 10 16:02:23 2016 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 22:02:23 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Only if you do not power the system off, and then only delays those few that "Need a Restart" Other approaches: 'Tell' (and convince?) the update facility you are on a very limited speed link with a small usage allowance. Firewall block the Microsoft site so your PC cannot get the updates - a pain if you want to use Onedrive, or a MS logon such as would allow you access to mail JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:47 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games :-((( Well that's a PITA. So, as far us updated go, the only difference between Pro and Home seems to be that you can delay the agony for a week. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 4:27 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games Not so - Pro version only includes a facility to delay a 'restart' for up-to a week. Fixes are still downloaded and applied as per Microsoft's whim, - well, and your web connection The only control you have is to delay the full installation/active use of the changes that require a 'Restart' to finish installing. ( as in those that Windows Update on 7 would cause the update facility to advise that a restart was required to complete the install) Remember that the Windows instance on a PC is usually set to do a fast-closedown&Fast -Startup as in Hibernate I have experienced at least 1 instance of where I believe a 'Fix' has reset the Delayed Full-closedown&Full-Restart I specified to a Full one on the next shutdown. I have also noticed that the 'Power' option changes from shut-down to (it's current setting) of "Update and Shutdown" or "Update and Restart" or the not appropriate "Sleep" - - considering that this system does not have a battery to supply power when the power is (as per fire insurance) turned off at the wall-switch. Yes - with this 64 bit Windows-10 (N) Pro system, I have NO option keep the system running, or - to comply with fire insurance requirements and turn off electrical equipment, So I'm stuck with "Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1511 for x64-based Systems (KB3140768)" being Installed - (and apparently . Definition Update for Microsoft Office 2010 (KB3114887) is also "Available") "Available" meaning I'm gonna get it regardless of my wishes, and if the system does restart I can then try to get rid of it) and any backup I take will - on restart repeat whatever problems I would in Windows-7 previously have taken a backup before the update was allowed to 'install' All I can do is ensure that 'my data' - as in emails and wot-I-typed-in is backed-up before I closedown JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:57 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games I heartily agree that they need to suffer in compensation for the pain they cause us. But right now my system is working, so nothing to call them about. :-( Seems like the only way to have some measure of control over your system is to fork out the extra cash to buy the Pro version of Windows, which allows you to choose when and if updates are installed - so I understand. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 3:34 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games You're welcome - Partly my proposal that their chat-line staff be asked to fix problems is that I don't know of a better way to have Microsoft take notice that there are problems with Windows 10 than to cost them money. And their attitude to the maintenance process that seems to be operated as if the instance of Windows-10 on users PC's not only belongs to Microsoft, but can also be altered as Microsoft's whim is, in my view NOT ACCEPTABLE. If anyone has a better idea, please advise me of that better approach JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:21 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games Thanks for the tip regarding the keywords. I believe that things have now settled down now that I've got the most recent cumulative update, but I'll bear this in mind if there is a next time. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 3:07 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games Can't help with your enjoyment of your "enhanced user experience". However I would use the Microsoft Chat Line facility - take a few hours of a Microsoft technician's time to make the point that your 'Windows 10' system is experiencing problems with the Microsoft 'Update facility' Both keyword sets qualify for 'no-charge support' Expect to have a good experienced technician take a couple of hours to investigate and fix the problem using remote access, and one of the less good ones to faf around for most of their working day. Make sure that you have their ref number, and the web link to get back to that tech after they restart your system. JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:39 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'ACCESS-L Email (ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM)'; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games Here's another fine example of the trials and tribulations of Windows Update. On the evening of March 5th, having left my Windows 10 box running unattended for a couple of hours, I came back to it to find a blue screen telling me that "Automatic Repair couldn't repair your PC", and I had the option to Shut Down or go to Advanced Options. Naturally I chose Advanced Options and was presented with another screen with a variety of choices, including: * Restart the PC - tried that, with no luck. Back to the same screen. * Retry Automatic Repair - tried that and it failed after a few minutes * Reset the PC - did not like the looks of that * Restore from a Restore Point - That looked good as I did have some restore points. When I tried it, I was shown a list of available restore points, but when I chose any of them and hit the button to move on all I got was an error about some instruction referencing memory is some whacky location. In short Resorting was not going to happen. I went around the options a couple of times, but after an hour had made no progress so I gave up and powered off, thinking "looks like I need to dig out that Windows install DVD". Just for kicks and giggles I powered it up again straight away, and to my surprise and delight the thing booted up into the normal login screen. So logged in and immediately created a new restore point. At that point I powered down and went to bed. Then on March 8th, having left the machine running and idle for a longish time the same thing happened. Got the "Automatic Repair couldn't repair your PC" screen. This time however I was up and running in a few minutes as the restore point I created on the 5th was functional. It seemed evident to me that I was falling foul of an automatic update that was happening during idle time. Having only Windows 10 Home I have essentially no control over the update process. So I took a look at my update history and sure enough, on the 5th and 8th there were entries showing one of those cumulative updates having failed to install (forget the KB number, but I can post it later if anyone wants to know). Then last night, while looking into the situation again, I opened the windows update screen and saw that there was a new cumulative update dated March 9th awaiting download and installation. So I thought, perhaps if I let that one get installed, being later than and so superseding the update that had failed twice, perhaps this new update will have had the bugs swept out of it. Sure enough, it did in fact successfully install without any problems. Pity the poor average Joe presented with this situation. I see lots of money being handed over to Geek Squad to sort this out for non-computer savvy users. And I wonder when something bad like this will crop up again. Lambert From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Mar 10 16:40:56 2016 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 22:40:56 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: AND If you can get at it - make the associated 'Service' a manual start one! And only start it on sessions during which YOU are willing to have updates acquired and installed. JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:02 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games Only if you do not power the system off, and then only delays those few that "Need a Restart" Other approaches: 'Tell' (and convince?) the update facility you are on a very limited speed link with a small usage allowance. Firewall block the Microsoft site so your PC cannot get the updates - a pain if you want to use Onedrive, or a MS logon such as would allow you access to mail JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:47 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games :-((( Well that's a PITA. So, as far us updated go, the only difference between Pro and Home seems to be that you can delay the agony for a week. From fhtapia at gmail.com Thu Mar 10 22:23:18 2016 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (fhtapia at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 04:23:18 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am a Mac and Linux user , but I like Windows 10 a lot more than 7. It's fast and easy to navigate.... You can disable Windows 10 updates on home and pro. tl;dr set your network as a metered network and updates do not auto download. http://www.howtogeek.com/224471/how-to-prevent-windows-10-from-automatically-downloading-updates/ On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:40 PM James Button wrote: > > AND > > If you can get at it - make the associated 'Service' a manual start one! > And only start it on sessions during which YOU are willing to have updates > acquired and installed. > > JimB > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > James > Button > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:02 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games > > Only if you do not power the system off, and then only delays those few > that > "Need a Restart" > > Other approaches: > 'Tell' (and convince?) the update facility you are on a very limited speed > link > with a small usage allowance. > Firewall block the Microsoft site so your PC cannot get the updates > - a pain if you want to use Onedrive, or a MS logon such as would allow > you > access to mail > > JimB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Heenan, > Lambert > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:47 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games > > :-((( Well that's a PITA. > > So, as far us updated go, the only difference between Pro and Home seems > to be > that you can delay the agony for a week. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Mar 11 07:24:33 2016 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 08:24:33 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Access as web front end Message-ID: <001e01d17b99$5a943490$0fbc9db0$@gmail.com> "I used a MS Access developer to create a management tool that I want to host on a PaaS. My frontend is Access and Backend is SQL Express. I want to host this software as a SaaS type service. To do so, I need remote license. My question is this: Is MS Access front end competitive with other web front end software tools on a hosting environment in your opinion. Look forward to your answer." This is from a reader. I am so far removed from this type of development now that I can't even respond - want to have a discussion? Susan H. From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com Fri Mar 11 08:03:31 2016 From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 14:03:31 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'd read of the metered connection hack before. :-) Also, just confirming that *my* problems were caused by KB3140743 initially, on 3/2/16 Lambert -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of fhtapia at gmail.com Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 11:23 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games I am a Mac and Linux user , but I like Windows 10 a lot more than 7. It's fast and easy to navigate.... You can disable Windows 10 updates on home and pro. tl;dr set your network as a metered network and updates do not auto download. http://www.howtogeek.com/224471/how-to-prevent-windows-10-from-automatically-downloading-updates/ On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:40 PM James Button wrote: > > AND > > If you can get at it - make the associated 'Service' a manual start one! > And only start it on sessions during which YOU are willing to have > updates acquired and installed. > > JimB > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > Of James Button > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:02 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games > > Only if you do not power the system off, and then only delays those > few that "Need a Restart" > > Other approaches: > 'Tell' (and convince?) the update facility you are on a very limited > speed link with a small usage allowance. > Firewall block the Microsoft site so your PC cannot get the updates > - a pain if you want to use Onedrive, or a MS logon such as would > allow you access to mail > > JimB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > Of Heenan, Lambert > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:47 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games > > :-((( Well that's a PITA. > > So, as far us updated go, the only difference between Pro and Home > seems to be that you can delay the agony for a week. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Fri Mar 11 08:40:47 2016 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 09:40:47 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Access as web front end In-Reply-To: <001e01d17b99$5a943490$0fbc9db0$@gmail.com> References: <001e01d17b99$5a943490$0fbc9db0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <93B66108478B488BB0022A156483CD08@XPS> Susan, There's a lot of confusion in this area, in no small part to Microsoft going in different directions and calling everything by almost the same name. In terms of running Access as a Web App: 1. "Web databases" - Found in A2007/A2010 - Publishes to SharePoint, Access Services in SharePoint required. Uses SharePoint lists to store data - very inefficient. Somewhat like desktop apps (you can use the same DB both on the desktop and in SharePoint), but no VBA allowed. 2. "Web Apps" - Found in A2013/A2016 - Publishes to SharePoint, Access Services in SharePoint required. Uses Azure DB to store data if on-line, SQL 2012 if on premise. Nothing like desktop app (cannot use a web app on the desktop). Again no VBA allowed. Still very limited. Basic CRUD operations is about it. Good overview of what you can do with it is here: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/jj250134.aspx What's better about this though is that you can point a traditional Access Desktop app to the same data store, so you can now have multiple front ends for your app. Web DB's/Web Apps aside, the other options for running a desktop DB on the web "as is" are: 1. Use terminal services, possibly in conjunction with Citrix. Use your desktop DB more or less as is and everyone remotes into the TS server. That can be in the form of an icon on their desktop, which they click and the app appears just like any other. 2. Use www.eqldata.com. This is a subscription service. What they do is two-way replication with your app through a plug-in. They host the web side and you keep the desktop side. OK for a few remote users, but could get pricey if many. Saves you from running a TS server though. HTH, Jim. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 08:25 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Access as web front end "I used a MS Access developer to create a management tool that I want to host on a PaaS. My frontend is Access and Backend is SQL Express. I want to host this software as a SaaS type service. To do so, I need remote license. My question is this: Is MS Access front end competitive with other web front end software tools on a hosting environment in your opinion. Look forward to your answer." This is from a reader. I am so far removed from this type of development now that I can't even respond - want to have a discussion? Susan H. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Mar 11 08:48:14 2016 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 14:48:14 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Access as web front end Message-ID: Hi Susan Keep this list from Jim for future reference. You may add that - for a single user - "terminal services" needs to be nothing more than a simple workstation with remote access which you access via Remote Desktop. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Dettman Sendt: 11. marts 2016 15:41 Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Emne: Re: [AccessD] Access as web front end Susan, There's a lot of confusion in this area, in no small part to Microsoft going in different directions and calling everything by almost the same name. In terms of running Access as a Web App: 1. "Web databases" - Found in A2007/A2010 - Publishes to SharePoint, Access Services in SharePoint required. Uses SharePoint lists to store data - very inefficient. Somewhat like desktop apps (you can use the same DB both on the desktop and in SharePoint), but no VBA allowed. 2. "Web Apps" - Found in A2013/A2016 - Publishes to SharePoint, Access Services in SharePoint required. Uses Azure DB to store data if on-line, SQL 2012 if on premise. Nothing like desktop app (cannot use a web app on the desktop). Again no VBA allowed. Still very limited. Basic CRUD operations is about it. Good overview of what you can do with it is here: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/jj250134.aspx What's better about this though is that you can point a traditional Access Desktop app to the same data store, so you can now have multiple front ends for your app. Web DB's/Web Apps aside, the other options for running a desktop DB on the web "as is" are: 1. Use terminal services, possibly in conjunction with Citrix. Use your desktop DB more or less as is and everyone remotes into the TS server. That can be in the form of an icon on their desktop, which they click and the app appears just like any other. 2. Use www.eqldata.com. This is a subscription service. What they do is two-way replication with your app through a plug-in. They host the web side and you keep the desktop side. OK for a few remote users, but could get pricey if many. Saves you from running a TS server though. HTH, Jim. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 08:25 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Access as web front end "I used a MS Access developer to create a management tool that I want to host on a PaaS. My frontend is Access and Backend is SQL Express. I want to host this software as a SaaS type service. To do so, I need remote license. My question is this: Is MS Access front end competitive with other web front end software tools on a hosting environment in your opinion. Look forward to your answer." This is from a reader. I am so far removed from this type of development now that I can't even respond - want to have a discussion? Susan H. From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Fri Mar 11 08:55:54 2016 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 14:55:54 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: @Fhtapia, Thanks for the reminder about that link 'metered Wifi" and, for the Win-10-Pro users the policy settings. So much to learn, remember, and then remember differently as Win 10 evolves JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 2:04 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games I'd read of the metered connection hack before. :-) Also, just confirming that *my* problems were caused by KB3140743 initially, on 3/2/16 Lambert -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of fhtapia at gmail.com Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 11:23 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games I am a Mac and Linux user , but I like Windows 10 a lot more than 7. It's fast and easy to navigate.... You can disable Windows 10 updates on home and pro. tl;dr set your network as a metered network and updates do not auto download. http://www.howtogeek.com/224471/how-to-prevent-windows-10-from-automatically-dow nloading-updates/ On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:40 PM James Button wrote: > > AND > > If you can get at it - make the associated 'Service' a manual start one! > And only start it on sessions during which YOU are willing to have > updates acquired and installed. > > JimB > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > Of James Button > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:02 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games > > Only if you do not power the system off, and then only delays those > few that "Need a Restart" > > Other approaches: > 'Tell' (and convince?) the update facility you are on a very limited > speed link with a small usage allowance. > Firewall block the Microsoft site so your PC cannot get the updates > - a pain if you want to use Onedrive, or a MS logon such as would > allow you access to mail > > JimB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > Of Heenan, Lambert > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:47 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games > > :-((( Well that's a PITA. > > So, as far us updated go, the only difference between Pro and Home > seems to be that you can delay the agony for a week. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fhtapia at gmail.com Fri Mar 11 09:35:14 2016 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (fhtapia at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 15:35:14 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Anybody try Cortana just yet? I do plan on trying it someday, once the privacy policies reflect my best interest. :) On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 6:55 AM James Button wrote: > @Fhtapia, > > Thanks for the reminder about that link 'metered Wifi" and, for the > Win-10-Pro > users the policy settings. > > So much to learn, remember, and then remember differently as Win 10 evolves > > JimB > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Heenan, > Lambert > Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 2:04 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games > > I'd read of the metered connection hack before. :-) > > Also, just confirming that *my* problems were caused by KB3140743 > initially, on > 3/2/16 > > Lambert > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > fhtapia at gmail.com > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 11:23 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games > > I am a Mac and Linux user , but I like Windows 10 a lot more than 7. It's > fast > and easy to navigate.... > > You can disable Windows 10 updates on home and pro. > > tl;dr set your network as a metered network and updates do not auto > download. > > > http://www.howtogeek.com/224471/how-to-prevent-windows-10-from-automatically-dow > nloading-updates/ > > On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:40 PM James Button > > wrote: > > > > > AND > > > > If you can get at it - make the associated 'Service' a manual start one! > > And only start it on sessions during which YOU are willing to have > > updates acquired and installed. > > > > JimB > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > > Of James Button > > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:02 PM > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games > > > > Only if you do not power the system off, and then only delays those > > few that "Need a Restart" > > > > Other approaches: > > 'Tell' (and convince?) the update facility you are on a very limited > > speed link with a small usage allowance. > > Firewall block the Microsoft site so your PC cannot get the updates > > - a pain if you want to use Onedrive, or a MS logon such as would > > allow you access to mail > > > > JimB > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > > Of Heenan, Lambert > > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:47 PM > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games > > > > :-((( Well that's a PITA. > > > > So, as far us updated go, the only difference between Pro and Home > > seems to be that you can delay the agony for a week. > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Mar 11 09:46:45 2016 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 10:46:45 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002201d17bad$37b59220$a720b660$@gmail.com> I use it to find my own stuff every day. I've never used it for a web search. Susan H. Anybody try Cortana just yet? I do plan on trying it someday, once the privacy policies reflect my best interest. :) From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Mar 11 09:52:05 2016 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 10:52:05 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Contract work Message-ID: <002701d17bad$f62b0c30$e2812490$@gmail.com> A reader has asked me for help converting an Access database into a Web application. I've offered to help them find a developer. I am not interested in the work and there will be no finder's fee or anything like that. It's main focus is scheduling. If you'd like to see their spec sheet, let me know privately at ssharkins at gmail.com . Once I put you in touch with the reader, I'm out. J Thanks! Susan Harkins From jimdettman at verizon.net Fri Mar 11 10:04:39 2016 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 11:04:39 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Contract work In-Reply-To: <002701d17bad$f62b0c30$e2812490$@gmail.com> References: <002701d17bad$f62b0c30$e2812490$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <298ECF613B184947A5616BCC4C8AB69B@XPS> No thanks here....I won't touch an Access Web Database or app with a 10' pole. Absolutely refuse to use a macro designer that forces you to work line by line. "Cumbersome" is a major understatement. I've told that to Microsoft since day one, but their focused on the power user now. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 10:52 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Contract work A reader has asked me for help converting an Access database into a Web application. I've offered to help them find a developer. I am not interested in the work and there will be no finder's fee or anything like that. It's main focus is scheduling. If you'd like to see their spec sheet, let me know privately at ssharkins at gmail.com . Once I put you in touch with the reader, I'm out. J Thanks! Susan Harkins -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fhtapia at gmail.com Fri Mar 11 10:10:26 2016 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (fhtapia at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 16:10:26 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Contract work In-Reply-To: <298ECF613B184947A5616BCC4C8AB69B@XPS> References: <002701d17bad$f62b0c30$e2812490$@gmail.com> <298ECF613B184947A5616BCC4C8AB69B@XPS> Message-ID: Susan, 1) if they need it to be web, I recommend using a real web technology... not access. 2) easy to implement is bootstram + angularjs with a database back end, if you're this deep, maybe use mysql instead of access ;) On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 8:05 AM Jim Dettman wrote: > > No thanks here....I won't touch an Access Web Database or app with a 10' > pole. > > Absolutely refuse to use a macro designer that forces you to work line by > line. "Cumbersome" is a major understatement. I've told that to Microsoft > since day one, but their focused on the power user now. > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Susan Harkins > Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 10:52 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] Contract work > > A reader has asked me for help converting an Access database into a Web > application. I've offered to help them find a developer. I am not > interested > in the work and there will be no finder's fee or anything like that. It's > main focus is scheduling. If you'd like to see their spec sheet, let me > know > privately at ssharkins at gmail.com . Once I put > you in touch with the reader, I'm out. J > > > > Thanks! > > Susan Harkins > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Mar 11 10:16:24 2016 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 11:16:24 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Contract work In-Reply-To: References: <002701d17bad$f62b0c30$e2812490$@gmail.com> <298ECF613B184947A5616BCC4C8AB69B@XPS> Message-ID: <004e01d17bb1$5bbf5a30$133e0e90$@gmail.com> Well, they've already written the Access database. Susan H. Susan, 1) if they need it to be web, I recommend using a real web technology... not access. 2) easy to implement is bootstram + angularjs with a database back end, if you're this deep, maybe use mysql instead of access ;) On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 8:05 AM Jim Dettman wrote: > > No thanks here....I won't touch an Access Web Database or app with a 10' > pole. > > Absolutely refuse to use a macro designer that forces you to work > line by line. "Cumbersome" is a major understatement. I've told that > to Microsoft since day one, but their focused on the power user now. > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 10:52 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] Contract work > > A reader has asked me for help converting an Access database into a > Web application. I've offered to help them find a developer. I am not > interested in the work and there will be no finder's fee or anything > like that. It's main focus is scheduling. If you'd like to see their > spec sheet, let me know privately at ssharkins at gmail.com > . Once I put you in touch with the > reader, I'm out. J > > > > Thanks! > > Susan Harkins > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Fri Mar 11 11:08:06 2016 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 11:08:06 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <037301d17bb8$94a7aa30$bdf6fe90$@winhaven.net> I use Cortana on my Windows phone all the time. It works quite well. Although it can never understand "Winneconne" - my place of residence. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of fhtapia at gmail.com Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 9:35 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games Anybody try Cortana just yet? I do plan on trying it someday, once the privacy policies reflect my best interest. :) On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 6:55 AM James Button wrote: > @Fhtapia, > > Thanks for the reminder about that link 'metered Wifi" and, for the > Win-10-Pro users the policy settings. > > So much to learn, remember, and then remember differently as Win 10 > evolves > > JimB > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > Of Heenan, Lambert > Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 2:04 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games > > I'd read of the metered connection hack before. :-) > > Also, just confirming that *my* problems were caused by KB3140743 > initially, on > 3/2/16 > > Lambert > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > Of fhtapia at gmail.com > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 11:23 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games > > I am a Mac and Linux user , but I like Windows 10 a lot more than 7. > It's fast and easy to navigate.... > > You can disable Windows 10 updates on home and pro. > > tl;dr set your network as a metered network and updates do not auto > download. > > > http://www.howtogeek.com/224471/how-to-prevent-windows-10-from-automat > ically-dow > nloading-updates/ > tically-downloading-updates/> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:40 PM James > Button > > wrote: > > > > > AND > > > > If you can get at it - make the associated 'Service' a manual start one! > > And only start it on sessions during which YOU are willing to have > > updates acquired and installed. > > > > JimB > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On > > Behalf Of James Button > > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:02 PM > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games > > > > Only if you do not power the system off, and then only delays those > > few that "Need a Restart" > > > > Other approaches: > > 'Tell' (and convince?) the update facility you are on a very limited > > speed link with a small usage allowance. > > Firewall block the Microsoft site so your PC cannot get the updates > > - a pain if you want to use Onedrive, or a MS logon such as would > > allow you access to mail > > > > JimB > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On > > Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert > > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:47 PM > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games > > > > :-((( Well that's a PITA. > > > > So, as far us updated go, the only difference between Pro and Home > > seems to be that you can delay the agony for a week. > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fhtapia at gmail.com Fri Mar 11 12:02:24 2016 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (fhtapia at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 18:02:24 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Contract work In-Reply-To: <004e01d17bb1$5bbf5a30$133e0e90$@gmail.com> References: <002701d17bad$f62b0c30$e2812490$@gmail.com> <298ECF613B184947A5616BCC4C8AB69B@XPS> <004e01d17bb1$5bbf5a30$133e0e90$@gmail.com> Message-ID: if the web app is for reporting that's fine, but with the potential of multiple threads, I feel that it's best to use a real rdbms but you can still use angluarjs There is also a way to wrap your ASP.net with angular to simplify the data entry... get started here: https://mva.microsoft.com/en-US/training-courses/introduction-to-angularjs-8682 On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 8:17 AM Susan Harkins wrote: > Well, they've already written the Access database. > > Susan H. > > Susan, > 1) if they need it to be web, I recommend using a real web technology... > not access. > 2) easy to implement is bootstram + angularjs with a database back end, > if > you're this deep, maybe use mysql instead of access ;) > > > On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 8:05 AM Jim Dettman > wrote: > > > > > No thanks here....I won't touch an Access Web Database or app with a 10' > > pole. > > > > Absolutely refuse to use a macro designer that forces you to work > > line by line. "Cumbersome" is a major understatement. I've told that > > to Microsoft since day one, but their focused on the power user now. > > > > Jim. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > > Of Susan Harkins > > Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 10:52 AM > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: [AccessD] Contract work > > > > A reader has asked me for help converting an Access database into a > > Web application. I've offered to help them find a developer. I am not > > interested in the work and there will be no finder's fee or anything > > like that. It's main focus is scheduling. If you'd like to see their > > spec sheet, let me know privately at ssharkins at gmail.com > > . Once I put you in touch with the > > reader, I'm out. J > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > Susan Harkins > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jimdettman at verizon.net Fri Mar 11 12:24:52 2016 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 13:24:52 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Contract work In-Reply-To: <004e01d17bb1$5bbf5a30$133e0e90$@gmail.com> References: <002701d17bad$f62b0c30$e2812490$@gmail.com> <298ECF613B184947A5616BCC4C8AB69B@XPS> <004e01d17bb1$5bbf5a30$133e0e90$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <05CD676A3F914FE39980386CE6FFEBC8@XPS> Susan, If they already have it written, then their only choice is the last two I gave (TS Server or www.eqldata.com). Outside of that, it would be a total re-write and a significant loss in functionality if they went to an Access Web App. Web Apps in A2013 and up should be thought of as an "add-on" to an app for colleting data, and not for doing the app itself. In addition to no VBA, there's also no reporting. If they want a true web app, then they should be looking to use something like PHP or ASP.net Jim. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 11:16 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Contract work Well, they've already written the Access database. Susan H. Susan, 1) if they need it to be web, I recommend using a real web technology... not access. 2) easy to implement is bootstram + angularjs with a database back end, if you're this deep, maybe use mysql instead of access ;) On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 8:05 AM Jim Dettman wrote: > > No thanks here....I won't touch an Access Web Database or app with a 10' > pole. > > Absolutely refuse to use a macro designer that forces you to work > line by line. "Cumbersome" is a major understatement. I've told that > to Microsoft since day one, but their focused on the power user now. > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 10:52 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] Contract work > > A reader has asked me for help converting an Access database into a > Web application. I've offered to help them find a developer. I am not > interested in the work and there will be no finder's fee or anything > like that. It's main focus is scheduling. If you'd like to see their > spec sheet, let me know privately at ssharkins at gmail.com > . Once I put you in touch with the > reader, I'm out. J > > > > Thanks! > > Susan Harkins > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Mar 11 13:15:26 2016 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 14:15:26 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Contract work In-Reply-To: References: <002701d17bad$f62b0c30$e2812490$@gmail.com> <298ECF613B184947A5616BCC4C8AB69B@XPS> <004e01d17bb1$5bbf5a30$133e0e90$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <002e01d17bca$5eb00820$1c101860$@gmail.com> Well, Access is the front end only -- back end is in SQL Server Express. Susan H. if the web app is for reporting that's fine, but with the potential of multiple threads, I feel that it's best to use a real rdbms but you can still use angluarjs There is also a way to wrap your ASP.net with angular to simplify the data entry... get started here: https://mva.microsoft.com/en-US/training-courses/introduction-to-angularjs-8 682 On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 8:17 AM Susan Harkins wrote: > Well, they've already written the Access database. > > Susan H. > > Susan, > 1) if they need it to be web, I recommend using a real web technology... > not access. > 2) easy to implement is bootstram + angularjs with a database back > end, if you're this deep, maybe use mysql instead of access ;) > > > On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 8:05 AM Jim Dettman > wrote: > > > > > No thanks here....I won't touch an Access Web Database or app with a 10' > > pole. > > > > Absolutely refuse to use a macro designer that forces you to work > > line by line. "Cumbersome" is a major understatement. I've told > > that to Microsoft since day one, but their focused on the power user now. > > > > Jim. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On > > Behalf Of Susan Harkins > > Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 10:52 AM > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: [AccessD] Contract work > > > > A reader has asked me for help converting an Access database into a > > Web application. I've offered to help them find a developer. I am > > not interested in the work and there will be no finder's fee or > > anything like that. It's main focus is scheduling. If you'd like to > > see their spec sheet, let me know privately at ssharkins at gmail.com > > . Once I put you in touch with the > > reader, I'm out. J > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > Susan Harkins > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From paul.hartland at googlemail.com Fri Mar 11 13:26:57 2016 From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 19:26:57 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Contract work In-Reply-To: <002e01d17bca$5eb00820$1c101860$@gmail.com> References: <002701d17bad$f62b0c30$e2812490$@gmail.com> <298ECF613B184947A5616BCC4C8AB69B@XPS> <004e01d17bb1$5bbf5a30$133e0e90$@gmail.com> <002e01d17bca$5eb00820$1c101860$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Sorry for butting in here, but think you woukd be better starting from scratch with a new web development On 11 Mar 2016 19:16, "Susan Harkins" wrote: > Well, Access is the front end only -- back end is in SQL Server Express. > > Susan H. > > if the web app is for reporting that's fine, but with the potential of > multiple threads, I feel that it's best to use a real rdbms but you can > still use angluarjs There is also a way to wrap your ASP.net with angular > to > simplify the data entry... > > get started here: > > > https://mva.microsoft.com/en-US/training-courses/introduction-to-angularjs-8 > 682 > > On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 8:17 AM Susan Harkins wrote: > > > Well, they've already written the Access database. > > > > Susan H. > > > > Susan, > > 1) if they need it to be web, I recommend using a real web > technology... > > not access. > > 2) easy to implement is bootstram + angularjs with a database back > > end, if you're this deep, maybe use mysql instead of access ;) > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 8:05 AM Jim Dettman > > wrote: > > > > > > > > No thanks here....I won't touch an Access Web Database or app with a > 10' > > > pole. > > > > > > Absolutely refuse to use a macro designer that forces you to work > > > line by line. "Cumbersome" is a major understatement. I've told > > > that to Microsoft since day one, but their focused on the power user > now. > > > > > > Jim. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On > > > Behalf Of Susan Harkins > > > Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 10:52 AM > > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > > Subject: [AccessD] Contract work > > > > > > A reader has asked me for help converting an Access database into a > > > Web application. I've offered to help them find a developer. I am > > > not interested in the work and there will be no finder's fee or > > > anything like that. It's main focus is scheduling. If you'd like to > > > see their spec sheet, let me know privately at ssharkins at gmail.com > > > . Once I put you in touch with the > > > reader, I'm out. J > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Susan Harkins > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Mar 11 15:57:24 2016 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016 07:57:24 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Contract work In-Reply-To: <002701d17bad$f62b0c30$e2812490$@gmail.com> References: <002701d17bad$f62b0c30$e2812490$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <56E33F44.1500.DF534AF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Just tell them that no good developer will consider using Access as a web application :) -- Stuart On 11 Mar 2016 at 10:52, Susan Harkins wrote: > A reader has asked me for help converting an Access database into a > Web application. I've offered to help them find a developer. I am not > interested in the work and there will be no finder's fee or anything > like that. It's main focus is scheduling. If you'd like to see their > spec sheet, let me know privately at ssharkins at gmail.com > . Once I put you in touch with the > reader, I'm out. J > > > > Thanks! > > Susan Harkins > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Mar 11 16:09:22 2016 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 17:09:22 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Contract work In-Reply-To: <56E33F44.1500.DF534AF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <002701d17bad$f62b0c30$e2812490$@gmail.com> <56E33F44.1500.DF534AF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <000201d17be2$ab6f2bb0$024d8310$@gmail.com> That does seem to be the consensus and I was afraid of that. It's why I asked. I appreciate the conversation. Susan H. Just tell them that no good developer will consider using Access as a web application :) -- Stuart On 11 Mar 2016 at 10:52, Susan Harkins wrote: > A reader has asked me for help converting an Access database into a > Web application. I've offered to help them find a developer. I am not > interested in the work and there will be no finder's fee or anything > like that. It's main focus is scheduling. If you'd like to see their > spec sheet, let me know privately at ssharkins at gmail.com > . Once I put you in touch with the > reader, I'm out. J > > > > Thanks! > > Susan Harkins > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Mar 11 16:20:15 2016 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 17:20:15 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Contract work In-Reply-To: <56E33F44.1500.DF534AF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <002701d17bad$f62b0c30$e2812490$@gmail.com> <56E33F44.1500.DF534AF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <000d01d17be4$302b2970$90817c50$@gmail.com> And even though it's just the front end -- the data's all in SQL Server Express. Still the same verdict? Susan H. Just tell them that no good developer will consider using Access as a web application :) -- Stuart From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Mar 11 16:51:45 2016 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016 08:51:45 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Contract work In-Reply-To: <000d01d17be4$302b2970$90817c50$@gmail.com> References: <002701d17bad$f62b0c30$e2812490$@gmail.com>, <56E33F44.1500.DF534AF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <000d01d17be4$302b2970$90817c50$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <56E34C01.28469.E26F7A1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Yep! :) On 11 Mar 2016 at 17:20, Susan Harkins wrote: > And even though it's just the front end -- the data's all in SQL > Server Express. Still the same verdict? > > Susan H. > > > > Just tell them that no good developer will consider using Access as a > web application :) > > -- > Stuart > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Mar 12 10:38:30 2016 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016 08:38:30 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Output report to word Message-ID: <2DCEF882FDD94A5EA6EC24AE657E479A@HAL9007> Dear List: I need to output a couple of reports to a word doc. If I can avoid the template/bookmark thing that would be great. DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport works well, but the reports have line and boxes which I would like to preserve. OutputTo has a formatting option of acFormatRTF which outputs all the text correctly formatted and spaced in Rich Text Format but loses the lines and boxes. Is there a simple way to create a word doc from a report that will preserve lines, boxes and images (would like to have the client's logo in the Word doc)? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-771-1869 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Mar 12 11:00:52 2016 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016 09:00:52 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Output report to word In-Reply-To: <2DCEF882FDD94A5EA6EC24AE657E479A@HAL9007> References: <2DCEF882FDD94A5EA6EC24AE657E479A@HAL9007> Message-ID: <1B61CE33ED9D4BC797D5859363C981BB@HAL9007> BTW - this is Access 2003. r -----Original Message----- From: dba-OT [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:39 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Cc: 'Off Topic' Subject: [dba-OT] Output report to word Dear List: I need to output a couple of reports to a word doc. If I can avoid the template/bookmark thing that would be great. DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport works well, but the reports have line and boxes which I would like to preserve. OutputTo has a formatting option of acFormatRTF which outputs all the text correctly formatted and spaced in Rich Text Format but loses the lines and boxes. Is there a simple way to create a word doc from a report that will preserve lines, boxes and images (would like to have the client's logo in the Word doc)? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-771-1869 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Sat Mar 12 12:55:59 2016 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016 10:55:59 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Output report to word In-Reply-To: <1B61CE33ED9D4BC797D5859363C981BB@HAL9007> References: <2DCEF882FDD94A5EA6EC24AE657E479A@HAL9007> <1B61CE33ED9D4BC797D5859363C981BB@HAL9007> Message-ID: I seem to recall using underscores to create lines that were exportable to rtf. The line controls don't export. Charlotte Foust (916) 206-4336 On Mar 12, 2016 9:01 AM, "Rocky Smolin" wrote: > BTW - this is Access 2003. > > r > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-OT [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Rocky > Smolin > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:39 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Cc: 'Off Topic' > Subject: [dba-OT] Output report to word > > Dear List: > > I need to output a couple of reports to a word doc. If I can avoid the > template/bookmark thing that would be great. > > DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport works well, but the reports have line and > boxes which I would like to preserve. OutputTo has a formatting option of > acFormatRTF which outputs all the text correctly formatted and spaced in > Rich Text Format but loses the lines and boxes. > > Is there a simple way to create a word doc from a report that will preserve > lines, boxes and images (would like to have the client's logo in the Word > doc)? > > MTIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-771-1869 > www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From paul.hartland at googlemail.com Sat Mar 12 13:08:45 2016 From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016 19:08:45 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Output report to word In-Reply-To: References: <2DCEF882FDD94A5EA6EC24AE657E479A@HAL9007> <1B61CE33ED9D4BC797D5859363C981BB@HAL9007> Message-ID: Is it possible to create a word template with fields, then just write the data across, im in pub at moment but would be abke to help more tomorrow On 12 Mar 2016 18:57, "Charlotte Foust" wrote: > I seem to recall using underscores to create lines that were exportable to > rtf. The line controls don't export. > > Charlotte Foust > (916) 206-4336 > On Mar 12, 2016 9:01 AM, "Rocky Smolin" wrote: > > > BTW - this is Access 2003. > > > > r > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-OT [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > > Rocky > > Smolin > > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:39 AM > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Cc: 'Off Topic' > > Subject: [dba-OT] Output report to word > > > > Dear List: > > > > I need to output a couple of reports to a word doc. If I can avoid the > > template/bookmark thing that would be great. > > > > DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport works well, but the reports have line and > > boxes which I would like to preserve. OutputTo has a formatting option > of > > acFormatRTF which outputs all the text correctly formatted and spaced in > > Rich Text Format but loses the lines and boxes. > > > > Is there a simple way to create a word doc from a report that will > preserve > > lines, boxes and images (would like to have the client's logo in the Word > > doc)? > > > > MTIA > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-771-1869 > > www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From ssharkins at gmail.com Sat Mar 12 13:15:22 2016 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016 14:15:22 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Output report to word In-Reply-To: References: <2DCEF882FDD94A5EA6EC24AE657E479A@HAL9007> <1B61CE33ED9D4BC797D5859363C981BB@HAL9007> Message-ID: <000801d17c93$872a5430$957efc90$@gmail.com> Rocky I was going to suggest the same thing. It might be your best bet -- time-consuming initially, but changes to the Word template would be much simpler than reworking your Access report workaround. And, you know they'll want changes. :) Susan H. Is it possible to create a word template with fields, then just write the data across, im in pub at moment but would be abke to help more tomorrow On 12 Mar 2016 18:57, "Charlotte Foust" wrote: From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Mar 12 14:03:17 2016 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016 12:03:17 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Output report to word In-Reply-To: References: <2DCEF882FDD94A5EA6EC24AE657E479A@HAL9007><1B61CE33ED9D4BC797D5859363C981BB@HAL9007> Message-ID: <94EB5669646A45FCA6F8C9CAF164C945@HAL9007> Well that will definitely help! thx r -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:56 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Output report to word I seem to recall using underscores to create lines that were exportable to rtf. The line controls don't export. Charlotte Foust (916) 206-4336 On Mar 12, 2016 9:01 AM, "Rocky Smolin" wrote: > BTW - this is Access 2003. > > r > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-OT [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Rocky Smolin > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:39 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Cc: 'Off Topic' > Subject: [dba-OT] Output report to word > > Dear List: > > I need to output a couple of reports to a word doc. If I can avoid the > template/bookmark thing that would be great. > > DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport works well, but the reports have line > and boxes which I would like to preserve. OutputTo has a formatting > option of acFormatRTF which outputs all the text correctly formatted > and spaced in Rich Text Format but loses the lines and boxes. > > Is there a simple way to create a word doc from a report that will > preserve lines, boxes and images (would like to have the client's logo > in the Word doc)? > > MTIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-771-1869 > www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Mar 12 14:04:55 2016 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016 12:04:55 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Output report to word In-Reply-To: References: <2DCEF882FDD94A5EA6EC24AE657E479A@HAL9007><1B61CE33ED9D4BC797D5859363C981BB@HAL9007> Message-ID: <3187487FCB9543D9A5CCD5B339616674@HAL9007> Yes. That's the mail merge approach - make a .dot document with the bookmarks and populate from an Access BE using automation. I've done it. It's a PITA. So just looking for an easy way out. r -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hartland Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:09 AM To: Access List Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Output report to word Is it possible to create a word template with fields, then just write the data across, im in pub at moment but would be abke to help more tomorrow On 12 Mar 2016 18:57, "Charlotte Foust" wrote: > I seem to recall using underscores to create lines that were > exportable to rtf. The line controls don't export. > > Charlotte Foust > (916) 206-4336 > On Mar 12, 2016 9:01 AM, "Rocky Smolin" wrote: > > > BTW - this is Access 2003. > > > > r > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-OT [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > > Of Rocky Smolin > > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:39 AM > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Cc: 'Off Topic' > > Subject: [dba-OT] Output report to word > > > > Dear List: > > > > I need to output a couple of reports to a word doc. If I can avoid > > the template/bookmark thing that would be great. > > > > DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport works well, but the reports have line > > and boxes which I would like to preserve. OutputTo has a formatting > > option > of > > acFormatRTF which outputs all the text correctly formatted and > > spaced in Rich Text Format but loses the lines and boxes. > > > > Is there a simple way to create a word doc from a report that will > preserve > > lines, boxes and images (would like to have the client's logo in the > > Word doc)? > > > > MTIA > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-771-1869 > > www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Mar 12 14:06:50 2016 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016 12:06:50 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Output report to word In-Reply-To: <000801d17c93$872a5430$957efc90$@gmail.com> References: <2DCEF882FDD94A5EA6EC24AE657E479A@HAL9007> <1B61CE33ED9D4BC797D5859363C981BB@HAL9007> <000801d17c93$872a5430$957efc90$@gmail.com> Message-ID: If I do this as a report it will have a couple sub-reports with varying record counts. If I set up say four bookmarks across the page and push four values from different fields into them and then push four more, will it make a second line? r -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:15 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Output report to word Rocky I was going to suggest the same thing. It might be your best bet -- time-consuming initially, but changes to the Word template would be much simpler than reworking your Access report workaround. And, you know they'll want changes. :) Susan H. Is it possible to create a word template with fields, then just write the data across, im in pub at moment but would be abke to help more tomorrow On 12 Mar 2016 18:57, "Charlotte Foust" wrote: -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz Sat Mar 12 14:17:52 2016 From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2016 09:17:52 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Output report to word In-Reply-To: References: <2DCEF882FDD94A5EA6EC24AE657E479A@HAL9007> <1B61CE33ED9D4BC797D5859363C981BB@HAL9007> <000801d17c93$872a5430$957efc90$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001101d17c9c$41d38a60$c57a9f20$@dalyn.co.nz> Hi Rocky, Here is some code for saving a report as a pdf: http://www.lebans.com/reporttopdf.htm Regards David Emerson Dalyn Software Ltd Wellington, New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Sunday, 13 March 2016 9:07 a.m. To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Output report to word If I do this as a report it will have a couple sub-reports with varying record counts. If I set up say four bookmarks across the page and push four values from different fields into them and then push four more, will it make a second line? r -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:15 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Output report to word Rocky I was going to suggest the same thing. It might be your best bet -- time-consuming initially, but changes to the Word template would be much simpler than reworking your Access report workaround. And, you know they'll want changes. :) Susan H. Is it possible to create a word template with fields, then just write the data across, im in pub at moment but would be abke to help more tomorrow On 12 Mar 2016 18:57, "Charlotte Foust" wrote: From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz Sat Mar 12 14:19:44 2016 From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2016 09:19:44 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Output report to word In-Reply-To: <001101d17c9c$41d38a60$c57a9f20$@dalyn.co.nz> References: <2DCEF882FDD94A5EA6EC24AE657E479A@HAL9007> <1B61CE33ED9D4BC797D5859363C981BB@HAL9007> <000801d17c93$872a5430$957efc90$@gmail.com> <001101d17c9c$41d38a60$c57a9f20$@dalyn.co.nz> Message-ID: <001201d17c9c$84ab3450$8e019cf0$@dalyn.co.nz> Sorry, Just read the subject line. Sorry about the wasted bandwidth. David -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson Sent: Sunday, 13 March 2016 9:18 a.m. To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Output report to word Hi Rocky, Here is some code for saving a report as a pdf: http://www.lebans.com/reporttopdf.htm Regards David Emerson Dalyn Software Ltd Wellington, New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Sunday, 13 March 2016 9:07 a.m. To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Output report to word If I do this as a report it will have a couple sub-reports with varying record counts. If I set up say four bookmarks across the page and push four values from different fields into them and then push four more, will it make a second line? r -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:15 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Output report to word Rocky I was going to suggest the same thing. It might be your best bet -- time-consuming initially, but changes to the Word template would be much simpler than reworking your Access report workaround. And, you know they'll want changes. :) Susan H. Is it possible to create a word template with fields, then just write the data across, im in pub at moment but would be abke to help more tomorrow On 12 Mar 2016 18:57, "Charlotte Foust" wrote: -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbodin at sbor.com Sat Mar 12 14:23:18 2016 From: jbodin at sbor.com (John Bodin) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016 20:23:18 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Output report to word In-Reply-To: <3187487FCB9543D9A5CCD5B339616674@HAL9007> References: <2DCEF882FDD94A5EA6EC24AE657E479A@HAL9007><1B61CE33ED9D4BC797D5859363C981BB@HAL9007> <3187487FCB9543D9A5CCD5B339616674@HAL9007> Message-ID: Rocky, as an alternative, can you figure out all the fields you will need, create a table in a 2003 MDB with those fields in it and use that as your merge source for the Word Doc? Then when person runs the report, you would dump the data into the table and just call Word and not worry about the book mark piece. Not sure what your data looks like as far as what query(ies) you need so that might be harder, but I've used both ways depending on the requirement of the app. John -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 3:05 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Output report to word Yes. That's the mail merge approach - make a .dot document with the bookmarks and populate from an Access BE using automation. I've done it. It's a PITA. So just looking for an easy way out. r -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hartland Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:09 AM To: Access List Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Output report to word Is it possible to create a word template with fields, then just write the data across, im in pub at moment but would be abke to help more tomorrow On 12 Mar 2016 18:57, "Charlotte Foust" wrote: > I seem to recall using underscores to create lines that were > exportable to rtf. The line controls don't export. > > Charlotte Foust > (916) 206-4336 > On Mar 12, 2016 9:01 AM, "Rocky Smolin" wrote: > > > BTW - this is Access 2003. > > > > r > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-OT [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > > Of Rocky Smolin > > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:39 AM > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Cc: 'Off Topic' > > Subject: [dba-OT] Output report to word > > > > Dear List: > > > > I need to output a couple of reports to a word doc. If I can avoid > > the template/bookmark thing that would be great. > > > > DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport works well, but the reports have line > > and boxes which I would like to preserve. OutputTo has a formatting > > option > of > > acFormatRTF which outputs all the text correctly formatted and > > spaced in Rich Text Format but loses the lines and boxes. > > > > Is there a simple way to create a word doc from a report that will > preserve > > lines, boxes and images (would like to have the client's logo in the > > Word doc)? > > > > MTIA > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-771-1869 > > www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Mar 12 14:30:13 2016 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016 12:30:13 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Output report to word In-Reply-To: <001201d17c9c$84ab3450$8e019cf0$@dalyn.co.nz> References: <2DCEF882FDD94A5EA6EC24AE657E479A@HAL9007> <1B61CE33ED9D4BC797D5859363C981BB@HAL9007> <000801d17c93$872a5430$957efc90$@gmail.com> <001101d17c9c$41d38a60$c57a9f20$@dalyn.co.nz> <001201d17c9c$84ab3450$8e019cf0$@dalyn.co.nz> Message-ID: <08918772B6C7419C810D75F5A710D702@HAL9007> no worries - that will come in handy I'm sure. r -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 12:20 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Output report to word Sorry, Just read the subject line. Sorry about the wasted bandwidth. David -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson Sent: Sunday, 13 March 2016 9:18 a.m. To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Output report to word Hi Rocky, Here is some code for saving a report as a pdf: http://www.lebans.com/reporttopdf.htm Regards David Emerson Dalyn Software Ltd Wellington, New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Sunday, 13 March 2016 9:07 a.m. To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Output report to word If I do this as a report it will have a couple sub-reports with varying record counts. If I set up say four bookmarks across the page and push four values from different fields into them and then push four more, will it make a second line? r -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:15 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Output report to word Rocky I was going to suggest the same thing. It might be your best bet -- time-consuming initially, but changes to the Word template would be much simpler than reworking your Access report workaround. And, you know they'll want changes. :) Susan H. Is it possible to create a word template with fields, then just write the data across, im in pub at moment but would be abke to help more tomorrow On 12 Mar 2016 18:57, "Charlotte Foust" wrote: -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Mar 12 14:31:26 2016 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016 12:31:26 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Output report to word In-Reply-To: References: <2DCEF882FDD94A5EA6EC24AE657E479A@HAL9007><1B61CE33ED9D4BC797D5859363C981BB@HAL9007><3187487FCB9543D9A5CCD5B339616674@HAL9007> Message-ID: <36EFF51216854FEB9B9754983A4F44D5@HAL9007> That will be my next approach of the client doesn't buy off on an rtf format. It looks like with Charlotte's tip about using underscore to create a rule, it might pass muster. Thx. r -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bodin Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 12:23 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Output report to word Rocky, as an alternative, can you figure out all the fields you will need, create a table in a 2003 MDB with those fields in it and use that as your merge source for the Word Doc? Then when person runs the report, you would dump the data into the table and just call Word and not worry about the book mark piece. Not sure what your data looks like as far as what query(ies) you need so that might be harder, but I've used both ways depending on the requirement of the app. John -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 3:05 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Output report to word Yes. That's the mail merge approach - make a .dot document with the bookmarks and populate from an Access BE using automation. I've done it. It's a PITA. So just looking for an easy way out. r -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hartland Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:09 AM To: Access List Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Output report to word Is it possible to create a word template with fields, then just write the data across, im in pub at moment but would be abke to help more tomorrow On 12 Mar 2016 18:57, "Charlotte Foust" wrote: > I seem to recall using underscores to create lines that were > exportable to rtf. The line controls don't export. > > Charlotte Foust > (916) 206-4336 > On Mar 12, 2016 9:01 AM, "Rocky Smolin" wrote: > > > BTW - this is Access 2003. > > > > r > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-OT [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > > Of Rocky Smolin > > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:39 AM > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Cc: 'Off Topic' > > Subject: [dba-OT] Output report to word > > > > Dear List: > > > > I need to output a couple of reports to a word doc. If I can avoid > > the template/bookmark thing that would be great. > > > > DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport works well, but the reports have line > > and boxes which I would like to preserve. OutputTo has a formatting > > option > of > > acFormatRTF which outputs all the text correctly formatted and > > spaced in Rich Text Format but loses the lines and boxes. > > > > Is there a simple way to create a word doc from a report that will > preserve > > lines, boxes and images (would like to have the client's logo in the > > Word doc)? > > > > MTIA > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-771-1869 > > www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Mar 12 16:54:05 2016 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2016 08:54:05 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Output report to word In-Reply-To: References: <2DCEF882FDD94A5EA6EC24AE657E479A@HAL9007>, <000801d17c93$872a5430$957efc90$@gmail.com>, Message-ID: <56E49E0D.2366.134F5BBB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Here's a code snippet that outputs a variable set of records to a Word document. The document contains an appropriately formatted table with one row. The Boookmark is in the first column of that row. (Actually there is only one column in this example). objWord.Selection.GoTo What:=wdGoToBookmark, Name:="Essential" While Not rs.EOF objWord.Selection.TypeText Text:=rs!COmpetency & vbCrLf objWord.Selection.InsertRowsBelow 1 rs.MoveNext Wend objWord.Selection.Rows.Delete The vbCRLF moves the cursor to the next fcolumn in the table, if you have more than one - so you don't need to set up multiple bookmarks - just one in the first column of the initial single row.' On 12 Mar 2016 at 12:06, Rocky Smolin wrote: > If I do this as a report it will have a couple sub-reports with > varying record counts. > > If I set up say four bookmarks across the page and push four values > from different fields into them and then push four more, will it make > a second line? > > r > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > Of Susan Harkins Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:15 AM To: 'Access > Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] > [dba-OT] Output report to word > > Rocky I was going to suggest the same thing. It might be your best bet > -- time-consuming initially, but changes to the Word template would be > much simpler than reworking your Access report workaround. And, you > know they'll want changes. :) > > Susan H. > > Is it possible to create a word template with fields, then just write > the data across, im in pub at moment but would be abke to help more > tomorrow On 12 Mar 2016 18:57, "Charlotte Foust" > wrote: > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Mar 12 17:52:13 2016 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016 15:52:13 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Output report to word In-Reply-To: <56E49E0D.2366.134F5BBB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <2DCEF882FDD94A5EA6EC24AE657E479A@HAL9007>, <000801d17c93$872a5430$957efc90$@gmail.com>, <56E49E0D.2366.134F5BBB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Beautiful. I'll use that if the rtf approach doesn't work. Does Word have a macro recorder like excel (which is how I always automate excel from access) that could show me code for these things? r -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 2:54 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Output report to word Here's a code snippet that outputs a variable set of records to a Word document. The document contains an appropriately formatted table with one row. The Boookmark is in the first column of that row. (Actually there is only one column in this example). objWord.Selection.GoTo What:=wdGoToBookmark, Name:="Essential" While Not rs.EOF objWord.Selection.TypeText Text:=rs!COmpetency & vbCrLf objWord.Selection.InsertRowsBelow 1 rs.MoveNext Wend objWord.Selection.Rows.Delete The vbCRLF moves the cursor to the next fcolumn in the table, if you have more than one - so you don't need to set up multiple bookmarks - just one in the first column of the initial single row.' On 12 Mar 2016 at 12:06, Rocky Smolin wrote: > If I do this as a report it will have a couple sub-reports with > varying record counts. > > If I set up say four bookmarks across the page and push four values > from different fields into them and then push four more, will it make > a second line? > > r > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > Of Susan Harkins Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:15 AM To: 'Access > Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] > [dba-OT] Output report to word > > Rocky I was going to suggest the same thing. It might be your best bet > -- time-consuming initially, but changes to the Word template would be > much simpler than reworking your Access report workaround. And, you > know they'll want changes. :) > > Susan H. > > Is it possible to create a word template with fields, then just write > the data across, im in pub at moment but would be abke to help more > tomorrow On 12 Mar 2016 18:57, "Charlotte Foust" > wrote: > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Mar 12 18:52:34 2016 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2016 10:52:34 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Output report to word In-Reply-To: References: <2DCEF882FDD94A5EA6EC24AE657E479A@HAL9007>, <56E49E0D.2366.134F5BBB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, Message-ID: <56E4B9D2.19050.13BBD282@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Yes, that's how I build them, 'cos I'm not a Word Object Model guru by any stretch of the imagination :) Just make sure that you fully qualify ALL references to avoid the dreaded "unqualified reference problem". Haven't mentioned that one for a while, so as a refresher, or for those who are not aware of it https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/189618 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/319832 On 12 Mar 2016 at 15:52, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Beautiful. I'll use that if the rtf approach doesn't work. > > Does Word have a macro recorder like excel (which is how I always > automate excel from access) that could show me code for these things? > > r > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 2:54 PM To: Access > Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] > [dba-OT] Output report to word > > Here's a code snippet that outputs a variable set of records to a Word > document. The document contains an appropriately formatted table with > one row. The Boookmark is in the first column of that row. (Actually > there is only one column in this example). > > objWord.Selection.GoTo What:=wdGoToBookmark, Name:="Essential" > While Not rs.EOF > objWord.Selection.TypeText Text:=rs!COmpetency & vbCrLf > objWord.Selection.InsertRowsBelow 1 > rs.MoveNext > Wend > objWord.Selection.Rows.Delete > > The vbCRLF moves the cursor to the next fcolumn in the table, if you > have more than one - so you don't need to set up multiple bookmarks - > just one in the first column of the initial single row.' > > > On 12 Mar 2016 at 12:06, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > > If I do this as a report it will have a couple sub-reports with > > varying record counts. > > > > If I set up say four bookmarks across the page and push four values > > from different fields into them and then push four more, will it > > make a second line? > > > > r > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On > > Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:15 AM To: > > 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: > > [AccessD] [dba-OT] Output report to word > > > > Rocky I was going to suggest the same thing. It might be your best > > bet -- time-consuming initially, but changes to the Word template > > would be much simpler than reworking your Access report workaround. > > And, you know they'll want changes. :) > > > > Susan H. > > > > Is it possible to create a word template with fields, then just > > write the data across, im in pub at moment but would be abke to help > > more tomorrow On 12 Mar 2016 18:57, "Charlotte Foust" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Sat Mar 12 20:29:37 2016 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2016 02:29:37 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "When" - sort of. Only delayed, not "not at all option" "If" - nope. You can only delay not reject. One upside of Pro and Business is MS push out updates onto the "Home" and "Student" population first and then later release to Pro and then finally business / enterprise. I suspect that is deliberate to iron out any serious and/or critical issues before the manure impacts the blades on a customer with clout. Cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Friday, 11 March 2016 7:57 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games I heartily agree that they need to suffer in compensation for the pain they cause us. But right now my system is working, so nothing to call them about. :-( Seems like the only way to have some measure of control over your system is to fork out the extra cash to buy the Pro version of Windows, which allows you to choose when and if updates are installed - so I understand. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 3:34 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games You're welcome - Partly my proposal that their chat-line staff be asked to fix problems is that I don't know of a better way to have Microsoft take notice that there are problems with Windows 10 than to cost them money. And their attitude to the maintenance process that seems to be operated as if the instance of Windows-10 on users PC's not only belongs to Microsoft, but can also be altered as Microsoft's whim is, in my view NOT ACCEPTABLE. If anyone has a better idea, please advise me of that better approach JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:21 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games Thanks for the tip regarding the keywords. I believe that things have now settled down now that I've got the most recent cumulative update, but I'll bear this in mind if there is a next time. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 3:07 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games Can't help with your enjoyment of your "enhanced user experience". However I would use the Microsoft Chat Line facility - take a few hours of a Microsoft technician's time to make the point that your 'Windows 10' system is experiencing problems with the Microsoft 'Update facility' Both keyword sets qualify for 'no-charge support' Expect to have a good experienced technician take a couple of hours to investigate and fix the problem using remote access, and one of the less good ones to faf around for most of their working day. Make sure that you have their ref number, and the web link to get back to that tech after they restart your system. JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:39 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'ACCESS-L Email (ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM)'; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games Here's another fine example of the trials and tribulations of Windows Update. On the evening of March 5th, having left my Windows 10 box running unattended for a couple of hours, I came back to it to find a blue screen telling me that "Automatic Repair couldn't repair your PC", and I had the option to Shut Down or go to Advanced Options. Naturally I chose Advanced Options and was presented with another screen with a variety of choices, including: * Restart the PC - tried that, with no luck. Back to the same screen. * Retry Automatic Repair - tried that and it failed after a few minutes * Reset the PC - did not like the looks of that * Restore from a Restore Point - That looked good as I did have some restore points. When I tried it, I was shown a list of available restore points, but when I chose any of them and hit the button to move on all I got was an error about some instruction referencing memory is some whacky location. In short Resorting was not going to happen. I went around the options a couple of times, but after an hour had made no progress so I gave up and powered off, thinking "looks like I need to dig out that Windows install DVD". Just for kicks and giggles I powered it up again straight away, and to my surprise and delight the thing booted up into the normal login screen. So logged in and immediately created a new restore point. At that point I powered down and went to bed. Then on March 8th, having left the machine running and idle for a longish time the same thing happened. Got the "Automatic Repair couldn't repair your PC" screen. This time however I was up and running in a few minutes as the restore point I created on the 5th was functional. It seemed evident to me that I was falling foul of an automatic update that was happening during idle time. Having only Windows 10 Home I have essentially no control over the update process. So I took a look at my update history and sure enough, on the 5th and 8th there were entries showing one of those cumulative updates having failed to install (forget the KB number, but I can post it later if anyone wants to know). Then last night, while looking into the situation again, I opened the windows update screen and saw that there was a new cumulative update dated March 9th awaiting download and installation. So I thought, perhaps if I let that one get installed, being later than and so superseding the update that had failed twice, perhaps this new update will have had the bugs swept out of it. Sure enough, it did in fact successfully install without any problems. Pity the poor average Joe presented with this situation. I see lots of money being handed over to Geek Squad to sort this out for non-computer savvy users. And I wonder when something bad like this will crop up again. Lambert -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Mar 13 08:22:50 2016 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2016 13:22:50 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well, folks, I set the ask before downloading 'mode' Later, via "New Notifications" got told there were fixes to get - Checked and it was the 'Defender' definitions from the one before that Defender currently showed it was using. Today - "New Notifications" got told an App had had associations changed Well - all I found so far is that .png has been moved from Irfanview and is now in Photo. I'll possibly find there are others later, sometime when not expecting some MS 'App' to run against a file I had previously set to a program I specifically installed for it. - Sort of like EDGE processing scripts embedded in PDF files, when I have my 'dont-run-scripts or links' PDF file viewer. The notification also indicated more fixes - well defender - my fast check for Windows Update failure details it's using 1.215.1444.0 (the 13/mar @01:30 version) Settings > Update&Security > Windows Update> shows that definition set is available and ready to download Yup! The single 'update' one available to download has already been downloaded, installed, and (I hope) is being used! JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 2:30 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games "When" - sort of. Only delayed, not "not at all option" "If" - nope. You can only delay not reject. One upside of Pro and Business is MS push out updates onto the "Home" and "Student" population first and then later release to Pro and then finally business / enterprise. I suspect that is deliberate to iron out any serious and/or critical issues before the manure impacts the blades on a customer with clout. Cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Friday, 11 March 2016 7:57 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games I heartily agree that they need to suffer in compensation for the pain they cause us. But right now my system is working, so nothing to call them about. :-( Seems like the only way to have some measure of control over your system is to fork out the extra cash to buy the Pro version of Windows, which allows you to choose when and if updates are installed - so I understand. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 3:34 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games You're welcome - Partly my proposal that their chat-line staff be asked to fix problems is that I don't know of a better way to have Microsoft take notice that there are problems with Windows 10 than to cost them money. And their attitude to the maintenance process that seems to be operated as if the instance of Windows-10 on users PC's not only belongs to Microsoft, but can also be altered as Microsoft's whim is, in my view NOT ACCEPTABLE. If anyone has a better idea, please advise me of that better approach JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:21 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games Thanks for the tip regarding the keywords. I believe that things have now settled down now that I've got the most recent cumulative update, but I'll bear this in mind if there is a next time. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 3:07 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games Can't help with your enjoyment of your "enhanced user experience". However I would use the Microsoft Chat Line facility - take a few hours of a Microsoft technician's time to make the point that your 'Windows 10' system is experiencing problems with the Microsoft 'Update facility' Both keyword sets qualify for 'no-charge support' Expect to have a good experienced technician take a couple of hours to investigate and fix the problem using remote access, and one of the less good ones to faf around for most of their working day. Make sure that you have their ref number, and the web link to get back to that tech after they restart your system. JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:39 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'ACCESS-L Email (ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM)'; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games Here's another fine example of the trials and tribulations of Windows Update. On the evening of March 5th, having left my Windows 10 box running unattended for a couple of hours, I came back to it to find a blue screen telling me that "Automatic Repair couldn't repair your PC", and I had the option to Shut Down or go to Advanced Options. Naturally I chose Advanced Options and was presented with another screen with a variety of choices, including: * Restart the PC - tried that, with no luck. Back to the same screen. * Retry Automatic Repair - tried that and it failed after a few minutes * Reset the PC - did not like the looks of that * Restore from a Restore Point - That looked good as I did have some restore points. When I tried it, I was shown a list of available restore points, but when I chose any of them and hit the button to move on all I got was an error about some instruction referencing memory is some whacky location. In short Resorting was not going to happen. I went around the options a couple of times, but after an hour had made no progress so I gave up and powered off, thinking "looks like I need to dig out that Windows install DVD". Just for kicks and giggles I powered it up again straight away, and to my surprise and delight the thing booted up into the normal login screen. So logged in and immediately created a new restore point. At that point I powered down and went to bed. Then on March 8th, having left the machine running and idle for a longish time the same thing happened. Got the "Automatic Repair couldn't repair your PC" screen. This time however I was up and running in a few minutes as the restore point I created on the 5th was functional. It seemed evident to me that I was falling foul of an automatic update that was happening during idle time. Having only Windows 10 Home I have essentially no control over the update process. So I took a look at my update history and sure enough, on the 5th and 8th there were entries showing one of those cumulative updates having failed to install (forget the KB number, but I can post it later if anyone wants to know). Then last night, while looking into the situation again, I opened the windows update screen and saw that there was a new cumulative update dated March 9th awaiting download and installation. So I thought, perhaps if I let that one get installed, being later than and so superseding the update that had failed twice, perhaps this new update will have had the bugs swept out of it. Sure enough, it did in fact successfully install without any problems. Pity the poor average Joe presented with this situation. I see lots of money being handed over to Geek Squad to sort this out for non-computer savvy users. And I wonder when something bad like this will crop up again. Lambert -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun Mar 13 08:31:40 2016 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2016 16:31:40 +0300 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?=5Bdba-OT=5D_Output_report_to_word?= In-Reply-To: <3187487FCB9543D9A5CCD5B339616674@HAL9007> References: <2DCEF882FDD94A5EA6EC24AE657E479A@HAL9007> <3187487FCB9543D9A5CCD5B339616674@HAL9007> Message-ID: <1457875900.486308630@f146.i.mail.ru> Hi Rocky -- You can try to use MS ReportViewer Control (free): ?it may sound not easy but it would be a kind of "universal" for MS Windows platform reporting solution. MS ReportViewer Control has built-in features of exporting to MS Word (docx), PDF and MS Excel (xlsx) formats. MS ReportViewer Control reports can be used in many kinds of MS Windows managed (.NET Framework-based) applications - desktop and web, as well as in web services and in MS SQL Reporting Services. Here is a link to my test ASP.NET web app with MS Access backend and a few sample reports? http://tinyurl.com/j2s9gkf These reports were developed in our Northwind.NET project we have had here (in Accessd -> dba-VB) a few years ago. The link I'm posting here - http://tinyurl.com/j2s9gkf ? - goes directly to the "Alphabetical List of Products"?sample report - to get to the others follow [Home] link in the sample report page left-top corner. You can try exporting sample reports to MS Word from your web browser to see how well all the reports' layouts are preserved during export. I tested with Google Chrome, MS IE, MS Edge, FireFox - all worked OK. BTW actual MS Word export is performed into .docx AKA OpenXML format so exported documents, I suppose, should be also viewable on Linux (not tested). I have tested sample reports on a couple of MS Windows smart-phones - old Lumia 800 and modern Lumia 950 - all reports are displayed properly. Please note that?MS ReportViewer Control is not an ActiveX control so it can't be placed on MS Access forms directly in design mode. The trick could be to place a WebBrowser control on an MS Access form and to supply it with the link to the web page with MS ReportViewer Control's report . It will work - you can try the above link with a Web Browser control placed within MS Access form. But exporting to MS Word directly from this "tricky environment" by using built-in MS ReportViewer control export feature/button will not work. I'm currently looking for a solution of this issue but I have no clear idea when it would be solved if it could be solved at all. The reports for MS ReportViewer Control can be designed using Visual Studio (Community Edition) or Report Builder for MS SQL Server Thank you. -- Shamil >Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:04 PM +03:00 from "Rocky Smolin" : > >Yes. That's the mail merge approach - make a .dot document with the >bookmarks and populate from an Access BE using automation. > >I've done it. It's a PITA. So just looking for an easy way out. > >r >? ><<< skipped >>> From Salato at ky.gov Thu Mar 17 08:41:29 2016 From: Salato at ky.gov (FW Salato Center) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 13:41:29 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Automatic backup Message-ID: I want to add a backup routine that runs when anyone closes the database. There aren't any action queries or anything like that at this point and although it will be on a server, I can't imagine a time when more than one person will be updating records - we're going to have an employee (not me) dedicated to that. Currently, there's no reason to split it, so I'm not going to. So, a backup routine should be fairly simple. I can train the other employee to do it manually and she will - she's competent and even if she forgot occasionally, updates are very limited. Most of the info is in there and they want reports - updates are ... there are updates, just not daily and not a lot. I'm thinking... train her not worry about it. We have electronic and paper files of all the updates and reentering would take... at the very worst a few hours if the worst happened. Recommendations? Thoughts? Susan H. From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com Thu Mar 17 09:02:39 2016 From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 14:02:39 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Automatic backup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There is ALWAYS a reason to split. Do not hesitate , do it now. It will take you five minutes and save you lots of potential trouble down the road. For one thing it helps protect the data from corruption. It makes it much simpler to do development work on the front end. And one day there might be two people needing to access it simultaneously. Much better for users to have their own copy of the front end. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of FW Salato Center Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 9:41 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Automatic backup I want to add a backup routine that runs when anyone closes the database. There aren't any action queries or anything like that at this point and although it will be on a server, I can't imagine a time when more than one person will be updating records - we're going to have an employee (not me) dedicated to that. Currently, there's no reason to split it, so I'm not going to. So, a backup routine should be fairly simple. I can train the other employee to do it manually and she will - she's competent and even if she forgot occasionally, updates are very limited. Most of the info is in there and they want reports - updates are ... there are updates, just not daily and not a lot. I'm thinking... train her not worry about it. We have electronic and paper files of all the updates and reentering would take... at the very worst a few hours if the worst happened. Recommendations? Thoughts? Susan H. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Thu Mar 17 09:18:11 2016 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 10:18:11 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Automatic backup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8126D814CD914DF4AA7A0B292B9F0126@XPS> Can't second what Lambert said enough...there's no real downside (well just one and it's minor). <> Never say never... <> You can't do that inside in any easy way from inside your app while it's executing. To keep things simple, just setup a batch file with a shortcut on the desktop. The batch file doesn't have to be anything more than a file copy and you'll probably want to suffix the date/time on that. Let me know if you want an example. Your other option would be to write it in VBA in a small utility DB, again assuming you want to keep it simple. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 10:03 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automatic backup There is ALWAYS a reason to split. Do not hesitate , do it now. It will take you five minutes and save you lots of potential trouble down the road. For one thing it helps protect the data from corruption. It makes it much simpler to do development work on the front end. And one day there might be two people needing to access it simultaneously. Much better for users to have their own copy of the front end. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of FW Salato Center Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 9:41 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Automatic backup I want to add a backup routine that runs when anyone closes the database. There aren't any action queries or anything like that at this point and although it will be on a server, I can't imagine a time when more than one person will be updating records - we're going to have an employee (not me) dedicated to that. Currently, there's no reason to split it, so I'm not going to. So, a backup routine should be fairly simple. I can train the other employee to do it manually and she will - she's competent and even if she forgot occasionally, updates are very limited. Most of the info is in there and they want reports - updates are ... there are updates, just not daily and not a lot. I'm thinking... train her not worry about it. We have electronic and paper files of all the updates and reentering would take... at the very worst a few hours if the worst happened. Recommendations? Thoughts? Susan H. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Salato at ky.gov Thu Mar 17 09:28:00 2016 From: Salato at ky.gov (FW Salato Center) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 14:28:00 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Automatic backup In-Reply-To: <8126D814CD914DF4AA7A0B292B9F0126@XPS> References: <8126D814CD914DF4AA7A0B292B9F0126@XPS> Message-ID: Yes, an example would be very much appreciated! :) Susan H. You can't do that inside in any easy way from inside your app while it's executing. To keep things simple, just setup a batch file with a shortcut on the desktop. The batch file doesn't have to be anything more than a file copy and you'll probably want to suffix the date/time on that. Let me know if you want an example. Your other option would be to write it in VBA in a small utility DB, again assuming you want to keep it simple. From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Mar 17 10:52:17 2016 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 15:52:17 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Automatic backup In-Reply-To: References: <8126D814CD914DF4AA7A0B292B9F0126@XPS> Message-ID: While it is easy to initiate a backup (.cmd) script to run - trigger the script as an 'on open' - so it cannot run immediately before the db is open I suspect your main problem will to have that file-copy process wait until all the users have finished their sessions And to deal with sessions abandoned without closing the db or running a command that follows the db usage command Have an 'own composed' program that will, at a set interval, look to see if it can get full access to the db - just sitting there checking - every minute? And then end when the db is not in use elsewhere Then - the backup is initiated from the db being opened - start the wait-4-it script , and it can be copied to a folder with a timestamp I the name - or on the actual copy. The code for the exclusive access depends on the language you will use - I thought it would be easy to get sample code - but google is not being co-operative. Maybe you can use bits from this code as a help for timestamping Echo off set btimest=%date:~6,4%-%date:~3,2%-%date:~0,2%.%time:~0,2%.%time:~3,2%.%time:~6,2% for /F "delims=/-: tokens=1,2,3" %%H in (pfile.log) do ( set bdatest=%%I-%%H-%%J set bdaterc=%%J%%I%%H ) Echo %btimest% %bdatest% >nul: Echo btimest (%btimest%) is the datetime entry for the folder >nul: Echo bdatest (%bdatest%) is the date of the prior run from the logfile >nul: Echo on cd "\backup of c" mkdir "%USERNAME% on %btimest%" cd "%USERNAME% on %btimest%" echo %date%-%Time% >pfile.log ------------------ There is also the useful tee.exe - a program to split the output stream into 2 - one to the 'screen' and 1 to a logfile JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of FW Salato Center Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 2:28 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automatic backup Yes, an example would be very much appreciated! :) Susan H. You can't do that inside in any easy way from inside your app while it's executing. To keep things simple, just setup a batch file with a shortcut on the desktop. The batch file doesn't have to be anything more than a file copy and you'll probably want to suffix the date/time on that. Let me know if you want an example. Your other option would be to write it in VBA in a small utility DB, again assuming you want to keep it simple. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bensonforums at gmail.com Thu Mar 17 11:11:20 2016 From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 12:11:20 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Automatic backup In-Reply-To: References: <8126D814CD914DF4AA7A0B292B9F0126@XPS> Message-ID: What is wrong with Set FSO =CreateObject ("Scripting.FilesystemObject) On Error Resume Next Kill strPathtoBackupFile On Error Goto 0 FSO.GetFile (currentDb.Name).Copy strPathtoBackupFile From bensonforums at gmail.com Thu Mar 17 11:12:34 2016 From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 12:12:34 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Automatic backup In-Reply-To: References: <8126D814CD914DF4AA7A0B292B9F0126@XPS> Message-ID: Besides leaving out an end quote lol. That was Set FSO =CreateObject ("Scripting.FilesystemObject") On Mar 17, 2016 12:11 PM, "Bill Benson" wrote: > What is wrong with > > Set FSO =CreateObject ("Scripting.FilesystemObject) > On Error Resume Next > Kill strPathtoBackupFile > On Error Goto 0 > FSO.GetFile (currentDb.Name).Copy strPathtoBackupFile > From jimdettman at verizon.net Thu Mar 17 12:03:06 2016 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 13:03:06 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Automatic backup In-Reply-To: References: <8126D814CD914DF4AA7A0B292B9F0126@XPS> Message-ID: <25F5F83E35AA4C2E891761ECE4241FE6@XPS> You can't backup a currently opened DB. There's no locks held on a DB so you can do the file copy. But if another user is in, or even in your own process if any background tasks are processing, you might end up with an inconsistent DB. Of course you could do that in a small utility DB. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Benson Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 12:11 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automatic backup What is wrong with Set FSO =CreateObject ("Scripting.FilesystemObject) On Error Resume Next Kill strPathtoBackupFile On Error Goto 0 FSO.GetFile (currentDb.Name).Copy strPathtoBackupFile -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Mar 17 12:13:47 2016 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 17:13:47 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Automatic backup In-Reply-To: <25F5F83E35AA4C2E891761ECE4241FE6@XPS> References: <8126D814CD914DF4AA7A0B292B9F0126@XPS> <25F5F83E35AA4C2E891761ECE4241FE6@XPS> Message-ID: Technically that's Wrong - you can back it up while open - Just the App (DBMS) will probably decline to open the backup - that being on the basis that the copy shows it is already open - and in use. You don't discover that until you actually need to open the backup with the DBMS ... ... ... JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 5:03 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automatic backup You can't backup a currently opened DB. There's no locks held on a DB so you can do the file copy. But if another user is in, or even in your own process if any background tasks are processing, you might end up with an inconsistent DB. Of course you could do that in a small utility DB. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Benson Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 12:11 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automatic backup What is wrong with Set FSO =CreateObject ("Scripting.FilesystemObject) On Error Resume Next Kill strPathtoBackupFile On Error Goto 0 FSO.GetFile (currentDb.Name).Copy strPathtoBackupFile -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Thu Mar 17 12:35:22 2016 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 13:35:22 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Automatic backup In-Reply-To: References: <8126D814CD914DF4AA7A0B292B9F0126@XPS> Message-ID: Susan, This will get you started: echo On echo %date% echo %time% set TSyear=%date:~-2,2% set TSmonth=%date:~-8,2% set TSday=%date:~-5,2% set TShour=%time:~-11,2% IF "%time:~-11,1%" ==" " set TShour=0%time:~-10,1% set TSminute=%time:~-8,2% set TSseconds=%time:~-5,2% set FileTS=%TSyear%%TSmonth%%TSday%%TShour%%TSminute%%TSseconds% COPY %1 %2_%FileTS%_BKUP This works with a date in the format of: ddd mm/dd/yy Your system might be different. Drop to a command prompt and type: Echo %date% and hit return to see the current format. Or you can run the above. I left echo on and a display of the date and time included. If you open a command prompt and run the batch file, you will see all the output. Time should be OK You can also execute with: Mybatch.bat > BatchLog.txt Any output will be re-directed to the file where you can see the results. If it needs any tweaking, the commands are counting characters from the right to the left, then taking the length. Inputs are source and destination, so: Bkup.Bat "C:\TEMP\myDB.MDB" "C:\Backups\myDB.MDB" > BatchLog.txt Jim. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of FW Salato Center Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 10:28 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automatic backup Yes, an example would be very much appreciated! :) Susan H. You can't do that inside in any easy way from inside your app while it's executing. To keep things simple, just setup a batch file with a shortcut on the desktop. The batch file doesn't have to be anything more than a file copy and you'll probably want to suffix the date/time on that. Let me know if you want an example. Your other option would be to write it in VBA in a small utility DB, again assuming you want to keep it simple. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Thu Mar 17 13:37:40 2016 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 14:37:40 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Automatic backup In-Reply-To: References: <8126D814CD914DF4AA7A0B292B9F0126@XPS> <25F5F83E35AA4C2E891761ECE4241FE6@XPS> Message-ID: <1E2C16E20C2A4A10A71C19228CC7E4C1@XPS> I wasn't being clear. "can't" in that you should not, not that you can't do it. "Backup" in the sense that your going to use a file copy. To get a valid backup by any means, you need all the users out, which means you can't do a backup from within the app itself. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 01:14 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automatic backup Technically that's Wrong - you can back it up while open - Just the App (DBMS) will probably decline to open the backup - that being on the basis that the copy shows it is already open - and in use. You don't discover that until you actually need to open the backup with the DBMS ... ... ... JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 5:03 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automatic backup You can't backup a currently opened DB. There's no locks held on a DB so you can do the file copy. But if another user is in, or even in your own process if any background tasks are processing, you might end up with an inconsistent DB. Of course you could do that in a small utility DB. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Benson Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 12:11 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automatic backup What is wrong with Set FSO =CreateObject ("Scripting.FilesystemObject) On Error Resume Next Kill strPathtoBackupFile On Error Goto 0 FSO.GetFile (currentDb.Name).Copy strPathtoBackupFile -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Mar 17 14:06:47 2016 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 19:06:47 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Automatic backup In-Reply-To: <1E2C16E20C2A4A10A71C19228CC7E4C1@XPS> References: <8126D814CD914DF4AA7A0B292B9F0126@XPS> <25F5F83E35AA4C2E891761ECE4241FE6@XPS> <1E2C16E20C2A4A10A71C19228CC7E4C1@XPS> Message-ID: Yup! But the number of times I was complained to about a backup not working - As in the backup had been taken while the multi-user app was still open - Someone had just gone home without closing down their login, or their connection And FileHistory (part of win 7 through win 10) - currently being proffered as the backup facility to rely on will take backup copies of files while the apps are using them! JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 6:38 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automatic backup I wasn't being clear. "can't" in that you should not, not that you can't do it. "Backup" in the sense that your going to use a file copy. To get a valid backup by any means, you need all the users out, which means you can't do a backup from within the app itself. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 01:14 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automatic backup Technically that's Wrong - you can back it up while open - Just the App (DBMS) will probably decline to open the backup - that being on the basis that the copy shows it is already open - and in use. You don't discover that until you actually need to open the backup with the DBMS ... ... ... JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 5:03 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automatic backup You can't backup a currently opened DB. There's no locks held on a DB so you can do the file copy. But if another user is in, or even in your own process if any background tasks are processing, you might end up with an inconsistent DB. Of course you could do that in a small utility DB. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Benson Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 12:11 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automatic backup What is wrong with Set FSO =CreateObject ("Scripting.FilesystemObject) On Error Resume Next Kill strPathtoBackupFile On Error Goto 0 FSO.GetFile (currentDb.Name).Copy strPathtoBackupFile -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Mar 17 14:29:29 2016 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 19:29:29 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Automatic backup In-Reply-To: References: <8126D814CD914DF4AA7A0B292B9F0126@XPS> <25F5F83E35AA4C2E891761ECE4241FE6@XPS> <1E2C16E20C2A4A10A71C19228CC7E4C1@XPS> Message-ID: And - Maybe robocopy will be appropriate - I believe it requires exclusive access to a file in order to copy it - but there are options such as /B And maybe more to the point - /R:n Number of Retries on failed copies: default 1 million. /W:n Wait time between retries: default is 30 seconds. /MOT:n MONitor source; run again when more than n changes seen. - As well as, by default, using the API that is not limited to 256 byte filenames - again - the tee.exe program is useful for creating a logfile! JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 7:07 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automatic backup Yup! But the number of times I was complained to about a backup not working - As in the backup had been taken while the multi-user app was still open - Someone had just gone home without closing down their login, or their connection And FileHistory (part of win 7 through win 10) - currently being proffered as the backup facility to rely on will take backup copies of files while the apps are using them! JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 6:38 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automatic backup I wasn't being clear. "can't" in that you should not, not that you can't do it. "Backup" in the sense that your going to use a file copy. To get a valid backup by any means, you need all the users out, which means you can't do a backup from within the app itself. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 01:14 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automatic backup Technically that's Wrong - you can back it up while open - Just the App (DBMS) will probably decline to open the backup - that being on the basis that the copy shows it is already open - and in use. You don't discover that until you actually need to open the backup with the DBMS ... ... ... JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 5:03 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automatic backup You can't backup a currently opened DB. There's no locks held on a DB so you can do the file copy. But if another user is in, or even in your own process if any background tasks are processing, you might end up with an inconsistent DB. Of course you could do that in a small utility DB. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Benson Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 12:11 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automatic backup What is wrong with Set FSO =CreateObject ("Scripting.FilesystemObject) On Error Resume Next Kill strPathtoBackupFile On Error Goto 0 FSO.GetFile (currentDb.Name).Copy strPathtoBackupFile -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Mar 17 15:47:17 2016 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2016 06:47:17 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Automatic backup In-Reply-To: References: , , Message-ID: <56EB17D5.13695.2C9B1030@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Plus a system table that stores the date time when the backup is made. Plus a check when the application is opened/closed and a message displayed if the last backup is more than x days old. On 17 Mar 2016 at 12:11, Bill Benson wrote: > What is wrong with > > Set FSO =CreateObject ("Scripting.FilesystemObject) > On Error Resume Next > Kill strPathtoBackupFile > On Error Goto 0 > FSO.GetFile (currentDb.Name).Copy strPathtoBackupFile > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Mar 17 15:50:14 2016 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2016 06:50:14 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Automatic backup In-Reply-To: <8126D814CD914DF4AA7A0B292B9F0126@XPS> References: , , <8126D814CD914DF4AA7A0B292B9F0126@XPS> Message-ID: <56EB1886.11207.2C9DC4DE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Me too! Split it! On 17 Mar 2016 at 10:18, Jim Dettman wrote: > > Can't second what Lambert said enough...there's no real downside > (well just > one and it's minor). > > < records - we're going to have an employee (not me) dedicated to > that.>> > > Never say never... > > < database.>> > > You can't do that inside in any easy way from inside your app while > it's > executing. To keep things simple, just setup a batch file with a > shortcut on the desktop. The batch file doesn't have to be anything > more than a file copy and you'll probably want to suffix the date/time > on that. Let me know if you want an example. > > Your other option would be to write it in VBA in a small utility DB, > again > assuming you want to keep it simple. > > Jim. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 10:03 AM To: 'Access > Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] > Automatic backup > > There is ALWAYS a reason to split. Do not hesitate , do it now. It > will take you five minutes and save you lots of potential trouble down > the road. > > For one thing it helps protect the data from corruption. It makes it > much simpler to do development work on the front end. And one day > there might be two people needing to access it simultaneously. Much > better for users to have their own copy of the front end. > > Lambert > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > Of FW Salato Center Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 9:41 AM To: Access > Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Automatic > backup > > I want to add a backup routine that runs when anyone closes the > database. There aren't any action queries or anything like that at > this point and although it will be on a server, I can't imagine a time > when more than one person will be updating records - we're going to > have an employee (not me) dedicated to that. > > Currently, there's no reason to split it, so I'm not going to. So, a > backup routine should be fairly simple. I can train the other employee > to do it manually and she will - she's competent and even if she > forgot occasionally, updates are very limited. Most of the info is in > there and they want reports - updates are ... there are updates, just > not daily and not a lot. > > I'm thinking... train her not worry about it. We have electronic and > paper files of all the updates and reentering would take... at the > very worst a few hours if the worst happened. > > Recommendations? Thoughts? > > Susan H. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Mar 17 17:28:56 2016 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 18:28:56 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Automatic backup In-Reply-To: <56EB1886.11207.2C9DC4DE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , , <8126D814CD914DF4AA7A0B292B9F0126@XPS> <56EB1886.11207.2C9DC4DE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <00c101d1809c$658b8170$30a28450$@gmail.com> I hate to sound like a user, but I promise you, only Emily or I will ever be in it. :) The only reason I'll put it on the server is so we can both access it easily. :) I'm listening but because it's going to be on the server, I will need to password protect it and the conversation about doing that with a split db kind of made me leery. Susan H Me too! Split it! From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Mar 17 17:27:33 2016 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 18:27:33 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Automatic backup In-Reply-To: <56EB17D5.13695.2C9B1030@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , , <56EB17D5.13695.2C9B1030@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <00c001d1809c$33d0f200$9b72d600$@gmail.com> That's good idea. I wouldn't have thought of it. Susan H. Plus a system table that stores the date time when the backup is made. Plus a check when the application is opened/closed and a message displayed if the last backup is more than x days old. From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Mar 18 13:30:27 2016 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2016 12:30:27 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [AccessD] Automatic backup In-Reply-To: <25F5F83E35AA4C2E891761ECE4241FE6@XPS> Message-ID: <1752944716.7095590.1458325827048.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Hi Jim: A "Shadow" backup can do a backup on individual files even when a file is locked. https://www.runtime.org/data-recovery-products.htm Check out the following free app: https://www.runtime.org/shadowcopysetup.exe When I was working I used a "shadow" batch file to do a database backup when the users forgot to get out of their applications. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Dettman" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 10:03:06 AM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automatic backup You can't backup a currently opened DB. There's no locks held on a DB so you can do the file copy. But if another user is in, or even in your own process if any background tasks are processing, you might end up with an inconsistent DB. Of course you could do that in a small utility DB. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Benson Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 12:11 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automatic backup What is wrong with Set FSO =CreateObject ("Scripting.FilesystemObject) On Error Resume Next Kill strPathtoBackupFile On Error Goto 0 FSO.GetFile (currentDb.Name).Copy strPathtoBackupFile -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Fri Mar 18 13:49:45 2016 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2016 14:49:45 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Automatic backup In-Reply-To: <1752944716.7095590.1458325827048.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> References: <25F5F83E35AA4C2E891761ECE4241FE6@XPS> <1752944716.7095590.1458325827048.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Message-ID: Jim, That doesn't give you a true backup either. The product uses Microsoft Volume Shadow Service, and there is no VSS writer for JET. So you have the same problem...if there's any activity in the database, then you can have a backup that ends up in an inconsistent state. If the database is quiet (say middle of the night), then a simple file copy achieves the same thing. In a multi-user situation, a JET db file is never locked. Only the .LDB file has locks placed against it. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 02:30 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automatic backup Hi Jim: A "Shadow" backup can do a backup on individual files even when a file is locked. https://www.runtime.org/data-recovery-products.htm Check out the following free app: https://www.runtime.org/shadowcopysetup.exe When I was working I used a "shadow" batch file to do a database backup when the users forgot to get out of their applications. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Dettman" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 10:03:06 AM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automatic backup You can't backup a currently opened DB. There's no locks held on a DB so you can do the file copy. But if another user is in, or even in your own process if any background tasks are processing, you might end up with an inconsistent DB. Of course you could do that in a small utility DB. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Benson Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 12:11 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automatic backup What is wrong with Set FSO =CreateObject ("Scripting.FilesystemObject) On Error Resume Next Kill strPathtoBackupFile On Error Goto 0 FSO.GetFile (currentDb.Name).Copy strPathtoBackupFile -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Fri Mar 18 17:38:35 2016 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2016 17:38:35 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Automatic backup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0e8301d18166$e931b010$bb951030$@winhaven.net> I want to add a backup routine that runs when anyone closes the database. There aren't any action queries or anything like that at this point and although it will be on a server, I can't imagine a time when more than one person will be updating records - we're going to have an employee (not me) dedicated to that. >>> Count on more than one person using it just because you're not counting on it. Currently, there's no reason to split it, so I'm not going to. So, a backup routine should be fairly simple. I can train the other employee to do it manually and she will - she's competent and even if she forgot occasionally, updates are very limited. Most of the info is in there and they want reports - updates are ... there are updates, just not daily and not a lot. >>>There is also no reason not to split it. Favor always goes to splitting it. While she may be competent, you have no idea how long she may be there. Her replacement may be incompetent. You also have no idea how long you will be there. I'm thinking... train her not worry about it. We have electronic and paper files of all the updates and reentering would take... at the very worst a few hours if the worst happened. >>>Reentry is not a good backup plan. Although it is a good reason not to have to have it backed up immediately. So, use a simple windows command line batch file to make backups every night. Schedule it in the Windows Scheduler. Or use DropBox and schedule it to back up to the cloud once a day when the office is closed. Recommendations? Thoughts? >>>Count on at least 2 concurrent users. Split it. Don't over complicate backing it up. From bensonforums at gmail.com Fri Mar 18 21:59:39 2016 From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2016 22:59:39 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Automatic backup In-Reply-To: <25F5F83E35AA4C2E891761ECE4241FE6@XPS> References: <8126D814CD914DF4AA7A0B292B9F0126@XPS> <25F5F83E35AA4C2E891761ECE4241FE6@XPS> Message-ID: Good caveats. But I think given the specs it is just fine. Wouldn't mind an acknowledge from Susan as I suspect it its the simplest method for her user! Could even do Zip compression with one of Ron De Bruins routines saving ro compressed windows folder after . Do this in a closing macro and done and done. You can't backup a currently opened DB. There's no locks held on a DB so you can do the file copy. But if another user is in, or even in your own process if any background tasks are processing, you might end up with an inconsistent DB. Of course you could do that in a small utility DB. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Benson Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 12:11 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automatic backup What is wrong with Set FSO =CreateObject ("Scripting.FilesystemObject) On Error Resume Next Kill strPathtoBackupFile On Error Goto 0 FSO.GetFile (currentDb.Name).Copy strPathtoBackupFile -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Mar 19 00:32:00 2016 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2016 15:32:00 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Automatic backup In-Reply-To: References: , <25F5F83E35AA4C2E891761ECE4241FE6@XPS>, Message-ID: <56ECE450.8981.33A1B115@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Simnple VBA Zip compression - create an empty zip file and then use the shell to copy a file to it. Just needs a Reference to Microsoft Shell Controls and Automation (Shell32.exe) Function CreateNewZipFolder(Filename As String) As Long Dim strEmptyZip As String Open Filename For Binary As #1 strEmptyZip = Chr$(80) & Chr$(75) & Chr$(5) & Chr$(6) & String$(18, Chr$(0)) Put #1, , strEmptyZip Close #1 End Function Function AddFileToZipFolder(ZipFileName As String, Filename As String) Dim oShellApp As Shell32.Shell Set oShellApp = CreateObject("Shell.Application") oShellApp.NameSpace(ZipFileName).CopyHere Filename Set oShellApp = Nothing End Function On 18 Mar 2016 at 22:59, Bill Benson wrote: > Good caveats. But I think given the specs it is just fine. > > Wouldn't mind an acknowledge from Susan as I suspect it its the > simplest method for her user! > > Could even do Zip compression with one of Ron De Bruins routines > saving ro compressed windows folder after . > > Do this in a closing macro and done and done. > > You can't backup a currently opened DB. > > There's no locks held on a DB so you can do the file copy. But if > another > user is in, or even in your own process if any background tasks are > processing, you might end up with an inconsistent DB. > > Of course you could do that in a small utility DB. > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > Of Bill Benson Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 12:11 PM To: Access > Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] > Automatic backup > > What is wrong with > > Set FSO =CreateObject ("Scripting.FilesystemObject) > On Error Resume Next > Kill strPathtoBackupFile > On Error Goto 0 > FSO.GetFile (currentDb.Name).Copy strPathtoBackupFile > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Mon Mar 21 04:08:11 2016 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 09:08:11 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] EXCEL OT Message-ID: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC6AF4E70F@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> Morning All Would anyone have an example of PowerShell opening an Excel workbook and then resaving it with the same name? We need to be 100% sure 2 workbooks we get are Excel 97-2003 format before we run some import code on them. There would be no user intervention as the script would run automatically. The code will error if they are in the incorrect formation and we want to avoid this happening and also avoid having to manually resave them. We have no control over the source who continually insist they are the correct type. Best Wishes Martin Martin W Reid Business Services Team Leader Queen's University Belfast Information Services 50 Elmwood Avenue Belfast BT9 6AZ Tel: +44(0)28 9097 6174 Email: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Mon Mar 21 05:35:27 2016 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 10:35:27 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] EXCEL OT In-Reply-To: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC6AF4E70F@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC6AF4E70F@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi Martin, You could also ask this on the Excel-L -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The EXCEL-L list is hosted on L-Soft international's LISTSERV(R) software running on Microsoft Windows Server 2008 R2. For subscription/signoff info and archives, see http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/excel-l.html . COPYRIGHT INFO: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa.exe?SHOWTPL=COPYRIGHT&L=EXCEL-L Cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: Monday, 21 March 2016 8:08 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving (accessd at databaseadvisors.com)' Subject: [AccessD] EXCEL OT Morning All Would anyone have an example of PowerShell opening an Excel workbook and then resaving it with the same name? We need to be 100% sure 2 workbooks we get are Excel 97-2003 format before we run some import code on them. There would be no user intervention as the script would run automatically. The code will error if they are in the incorrect formation and we want to avoid this happening and also avoid having to manually resave them. We have no control over the source who continually insist they are the correct type. Best Wishes Martin Martin W Reid Business Services Team Leader Queen's University Belfast Information Services 50 Elmwood Avenue Belfast BT9 6AZ Tel: +44(0)28 9097 6174 Email: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Mar 21 09:11:32 2016 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 10:11:32 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Update ( was RE: Contract work) In-Reply-To: <003401d1837b$87e84fa0$97b8eee0$@gmail.com> References: <003401d1837b$87e84fa0$97b8eee0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003501d1837b$9240c770$b6c25650$@gmail.com> Remember this conversation? Well, the company is willing to start over -- the data will remain in SQL Server Express, but they will pay someone to build a front-end for them, usually probably whatever technology the developer recommends. In a nutshell, a school of nursing wants a web app for scheduling classes. Anyone want the specs? I still have them. Susan H. And even though it's just the front end -- the data's all in SQL Server Express. Still the same verdict? Susan H. Just tell them that no good developer will consider using Access as a web application :) -- Stuart From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Mar 21 09:47:20 2016 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 10:47:20 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Update ( was RE: Contract work) In-Reply-To: <003501d1837b$9240c770$b6c25650$@gmail.com> References: <003401d1837b$87e84fa0$97b8eee0$@gmail.com> <003501d1837b$9240c770$b6c25650$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Susan, Please send the specs; I'd like a look at them. I should point out that like Stuart, I would not use Access for this (or any other) web project. In my case, I'd recommend Alpha Anywhere. Obviously other developers might have other choices of tools. Arthur On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > > > Remember this conversation? Well, the company is willing to start over -- > the data will remain in SQL Server Express, but they will pay someone to > build a front-end for them, usually probably whatever technology the > developer recommends. In a nutshell, a school of nursing wants a web app > for > scheduling classes. > > Anyone want the specs? I still have them. > > Susan H. > > > And even though it's just the front end -- the data's all in SQL Server > Express. Still the same verdict? > > Susan H. > > > > Just tell them that no good developer will consider using Access as a web > application :) > > -- > Stuart > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Mar 21 10:32:05 2016 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 18:32:05 +0300 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?EXCEL_OT?= In-Reply-To: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC6AF4E70F@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC6AF4E70F@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1458574325.939070067@f30.i.mail.ru> Hi Martin -- Some googling + "quick & dirty"?code cooking and testing - here it's (correct folder and file names according to your environment): $sourceWorkbookFolder = "S:\Projects\Powershell\" $sourceWorkbookFileName = "Test workbook.xlsx" $convertedWorkbookFolder = $sourceWorkbookFolder $convertedWorkbookFileName = "'" + $sourceWorkbookFileName + "' is now in 97-2003 format.xls" Add-Type -AssemblyName Microsoft.Office.Interop.Excel $xlApp = New-Object -COM "Excel.Application" $xlApp.Visible = $true $xlWbk = $xlApp.Workbooks.Open($sourceWorkbookFolder + $sourceWorkbookFileName) $xl97_2003Format = [Microsoft.Office.Interop.Excel.XlFileFormat]::xlExcel8 $xlApp.DisplayAlerts = $false $xlApp.ActiveWorkbook.SaveAs($convertedWorkbookFolder + $convertedWorkbookFileName, $xl97_2003Format) $xlApp.DisplayAlerts = $true $xlWbk.Close() $xlApp.Quit() FYI: I'm not PowerShell scripts writer at all - the above actually is the first PowerShell script I have ever written. Thank you. -- Shamil >Monday, March 21, 2016 12:08 PM +03:00 from Martin Reid : > >Morning All > >Would anyone have an example of PowerShell opening an Excel workbook and then resaving it with the same name? We need to be 100% sure 2 workbooks we get are Excel 97-2003 format before we run some import code on them. > >There would be no user intervention as the script would run automatically. The code will error if they are in the incorrect formation and we want to avoid this happening and also avoid having to manually resave them. We have no control over the source who continually insist they are the correct type. > >Best Wishes >Martin > > > >Martin W Reid >Business Services Team Leader >Queen's University Belfast >Information Services >50 Elmwood Avenue >Belfast BT9 6AZ > >Tel: +44(0)28 9097 6174 >Email: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk > >-- >AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Mon Mar 21 10:37:13 2016 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 15:37:13 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] EXCEL OT In-Reply-To: <1458574325.939070067@f30.i.mail.ru> References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC6AF4E70F@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> <1458574325.939070067@f30.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC6AF4F371@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> Outstanding Martin -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: 21 March 2016 15:32 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] EXCEL OT Hi Martin -- Some googling + "quick & dirty"?code cooking and testing - here it's (correct folder and file names according to your environment): $sourceWorkbookFolder = "S:\Projects\Powershell\" $sourceWorkbookFileName = "Test workbook.xlsx" $convertedWorkbookFolder = $sourceWorkbookFolder $convertedWorkbookFileName = "'" + $sourceWorkbookFileName + "' is now in 97-2003 format.xls" Add-Type -AssemblyName Microsoft.Office.Interop.Excel $xlApp = New-Object -COM "Excel.Application" $xlApp.Visible = $true $xlWbk = $xlApp.Workbooks.Open($sourceWorkbookFolder + $sourceWorkbookFileName) $xl97_2003Format = [Microsoft.Office.Interop.Excel.XlFileFormat]::xlExcel8 $xlApp.DisplayAlerts = $false $xlApp.ActiveWorkbook.SaveAs($convertedWorkbookFolder + $convertedWorkbookFileName, $xl97_2003Format) $xlApp.DisplayAlerts = $true $xlWbk.Close() $xlApp.Quit() FYI: I'm not PowerShell scripts writer at all - the above actually is the first PowerShell script I have ever written. Thank you. -- Shamil >Monday, March 21, 2016 12:08 PM +03:00 from Martin Reid : > >Morning All > >Would anyone have an example of PowerShell opening an Excel workbook and then resaving it with the same name? We need to be 100% sure 2 workbooks we get are Excel 97-2003 format before we run some import code on them. > >There would be no user intervention as the script would run automatically. The code will error if they are in the incorrect formation and we want to avoid this happening and also avoid having to manually resave them. We have no control over the source who continually insist they are the correct type. > >Best Wishes >Martin > > > >Martin W Reid >Business Services Team Leader >Queen's University Belfast >Information Services >50 Elmwood Avenue >Belfast BT9 6AZ > >Tel: +44(0)28 9097 6174 >Email: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk > >-- >AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Mon Mar 21 10:43:07 2016 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 15:43:07 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] EXCEL OT Message-ID: Hi Martin You owe Shamil a large beer. While we think of doing it, Shamil does it. By the way, the example shows that PowerShell does deserve its name. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Martin Reid Sendt: 21. marts 2016 16:37 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] EXCEL OT Outstanding Martin -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: 21 March 2016 15:32 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] EXCEL OT Hi Martin -- Some googling + "quick & dirty"?code cooking and testing - here it's (correct folder and file names according to your environment): $sourceWorkbookFolder = "S:\Projects\Powershell\" $sourceWorkbookFileName = "Test workbook.xlsx" $convertedWorkbookFolder = $sourceWorkbookFolder $convertedWorkbookFileName = "'" + $sourceWorkbookFileName + "' is now in 97-2003 format.xls" Add-Type -AssemblyName Microsoft.Office.Interop.Excel $xlApp = New-Object -COM "Excel.Application" $xlApp.Visible = $true $xlWbk = $xlApp.Workbooks.Open($sourceWorkbookFolder + $sourceWorkbookFileName) $xl97_2003Format = [Microsoft.Office.Interop.Excel.XlFileFormat]::xlExcel8 $xlApp.DisplayAlerts = $false $xlApp.ActiveWorkbook.SaveAs($convertedWorkbookFolder + $convertedWorkbookFileName, $xl97_2003Format) $xlApp.DisplayAlerts = $true $xlWbk.Close() $xlApp.Quit() FYI: I'm not PowerShell scripts writer at all - the above actually is the first PowerShell script I have ever written. Thank you. -- Shamil >Monday, March 21, 2016 12:08 PM +03:00 from Martin Reid : > >Morning All > >Would anyone have an example of PowerShell opening an Excel workbook and then resaving it with the same name? We need to be 100% sure 2 workbooks we get are Excel 97-2003 format before we run some import code on them. > >There would be no user intervention as the script would run automatically. The code will error if they are in the incorrect formation and we want to avoid this happening and also avoid having to manually resave them. We have no control over the source who continually insist they are the correct type. > >Best Wishes >Martin From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Mon Mar 21 10:49:00 2016 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 15:49:00 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] EXCEL OT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC6AF4F495@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> Hi Gustav Saved our bacon! Martin -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: 21 March 2016 15:43 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] EXCEL OT Hi Martin You owe Shamil a large beer. While we think of doing it, Shamil does it. By the way, the example shows that PowerShell does deserve its name. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Martin Reid Sendt: 21. marts 2016 16:37 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] EXCEL OT Outstanding Martin -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: 21 March 2016 15:32 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] EXCEL OT Hi Martin -- Some googling + "quick & dirty"?code cooking and testing - here it's (correct folder and file names according to your environment): $sourceWorkbookFolder = "S:\Projects\Powershell\" $sourceWorkbookFileName = "Test workbook.xlsx" $convertedWorkbookFolder = $sourceWorkbookFolder $convertedWorkbookFileName = "'" + $sourceWorkbookFileName + "' is now in 97-2003 format.xls" Add-Type -AssemblyName Microsoft.Office.Interop.Excel $xlApp = New-Object -COM "Excel.Application" $xlApp.Visible = $true $xlWbk = $xlApp.Workbooks.Open($sourceWorkbookFolder + $sourceWorkbookFileName) $xl97_2003Format = [Microsoft.Office.Interop.Excel.XlFileFormat]::xlExcel8 $xlApp.DisplayAlerts = $false $xlApp.ActiveWorkbook.SaveAs($convertedWorkbookFolder + $convertedWorkbookFileName, $xl97_2003Format) $xlApp.DisplayAlerts = $true $xlWbk.Close() $xlApp.Quit() FYI: I'm not PowerShell scripts writer at all - the above actually is the first PowerShell script I have ever written. Thank you. -- Shamil >Monday, March 21, 2016 12:08 PM +03:00 from Martin Reid : > >Morning All > >Would anyone have an example of PowerShell opening an Excel workbook and then resaving it with the same name? We need to be 100% sure 2 workbooks we get are Excel 97-2003 format before we run some import code on them. > >There would be no user intervention as the script would run automatically. The code will error if they are in the incorrect formation and we want to avoid this happening and also avoid having to manually resave them. We have no control over the source who continually insist they are the correct type. > >Best Wishes >Martin -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dw-murphy at cox.net Mon Mar 21 11:54:19 2016 From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 09:54:19 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 label wizard problem Message-ID: <016301d18392$4fa1c240$eee546c0$@cox.net> Folks, I am attempting to set up a label printing report using the Label Wizard. I am using Access 2010. When I open the wizard I get a message box saying "Invalid use of null". I hit OK then the wizard screen opens and when I try to select the label manufacturer I get an Access message saying "C:Users\'\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Access\ACWZUSR12.ACCDU is not a valid name" I went to this location, and found the file. It was there. Renamed the file and tried again and Access recreated it but got the same messages. I have all the latest updates on this computer and ran a repair on Office. Still no luck. Any thoughts or suggestions? I am about ready to give up on Access and mail merge to Word to print the labels. Thanks in advance for any help. Doug From dw-murphy at cox.net Mon Mar 21 11:56:52 2016 From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 09:56:52 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Update ( was RE: Contract work) In-Reply-To: References: <003401d1837b$87e84fa0$97b8eee0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <016401d18392$ab04afd0$010e0f70$@cox.net> Susan, I'd like to see the requirements. My environment of choice for this type of thing as ASP.NET. Can be hosted on any Windows server. Doug -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 7:12 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] FW: Update ( was RE: Contract work) Remember this conversation? Well, the company is willing to start over -- the data will remain in SQL Server Express, but they will pay someone to build a front-end for them, usually probably whatever technology the developer recommends. In a nutshell, a school of nursing wants a web app for scheduling classes. Anyone want the specs? I still have them. Susan H. And even though it's just the front end -- the data's all in SQL Server Express. Still the same verdict? Susan H. Just tell them that no good developer will consider using Access as a web application :) -- Stuart -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Mar 21 13:00:10 2016 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 18:00:10 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 label wizard problem In-Reply-To: <016301d18392$4fa1c240$eee546c0$@cox.net> References: <016301d18392$4fa1c240$eee546c0$@cox.net> Message-ID: I suspect the username of a single apostrophe is confusing things Have a look at the id's being used for the processes And maybe see what username profiles actually exist under the Users folder and What you get from using SET in a (DOS) command window. JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 4:54 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 label wizard problem Folks, I am attempting to set up a label printing report using the Label Wizard. I am using Access 2010. When I open the wizard I get a message box saying "Invalid use of null". I hit OK then the wizard screen opens and when I try to select the label manufacturer I get an Access message saying "C:Users\'\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Access\ACWZUSR12.ACCDU is not a valid name" I went to this location, and found the file. It was there. Renamed the file and tried again and Access recreated it but got the same messages. I have all the latest updates on this computer and ran a repair on Office. Still no luck. Any thoughts or suggestions? I am about ready to give up on Access and mail merge to Word to print the labels. Thanks in advance for any help. Doug -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dw-murphy at cox.net Mon Mar 21 13:53:37 2016 From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 11:53:37 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 label wizard problem In-Reply-To: References: <016301d18392$4fa1c240$eee546c0$@cox.net> Message-ID: <01a101d183a2$fa7901f0$ef6b05d0$@cox.net> The issue is with the wizard. In my installation of Access 2010, in the project when I go to the create reports tab items and select the labels the first thing that comes up is "Invalid use of Null", then the issue with the ACCDU file. This apparently has something to do with the Wizard dll in Access but repairing Office, supposedly including Access, does not fix. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:00 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 label wizard problem I suspect the username of a single apostrophe is confusing things Have a look at the id's being used for the processes And maybe see what username profiles actually exist under the Users folder and What you get from using SET in a (DOS) command window. JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 4:54 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 label wizard problem Folks, I am attempting to set up a label printing report using the Label Wizard. I am using Access 2010. When I open the wizard I get a message box saying "Invalid use of null". I hit OK then the wizard screen opens and when I try to select the label manufacturer I get an Access message saying "C:Users\'\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Access\ACWZUSR12.ACCDU is not a valid name" I went to this location, and found the file. It was there. Renamed the file and tried again and Access recreated it but got the same messages. I have all the latest updates on this computer and ran a repair on Office. Still no luck. Any thoughts or suggestions? I am about ready to give up on Access and mail merge to Word to print the labels. Thanks in advance for any help. Doug -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Salato at ky.gov Tue Mar 22 15:10:20 2016 From: Salato at ky.gov (FW Salato Center) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 20:10:20 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Label shows when record's empty Message-ID: I've got a memo field and the Can Grow and Can Shrink properties both set to Yes. This field is usually empty and I'd like the Label to disappear when the field is blank. I've tried a Not(IsNull) to set the Visible property in the detail section's Format event -- it's not working. Any help? This should be simple. :) I didn't expect to see it at all. You'd think if the control disappears its label would too. Susan H. From Salato at ky.gov Tue Mar 22 15:18:47 2016 From: Salato at ky.gov (FW Salato Center) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 20:18:47 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Nevermind (RE: Label shows when record's empty) Message-ID: It's working - just needed to close it and reopen to trigger the event I guess. Thanks anyway! Susan H. From: FW Salato Center Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 4:10 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Label shows when record's empty I've got a memo field and the Can Grow and Can Shrink properties both set to Yes. This field is usually empty and I'd like the Label to disappear when the field is blank. I've tried a Not(IsNull) to set the Visible property in the detail section's Format event -- it's not working. Any help? This should be simple. :) I didn't expect to see it at all. You'd think if the control disappears its label would too. Susan H. From jm.hwsn at gmail.com Tue Mar 22 15:33:38 2016 From: jm.hwsn at gmail.com (Jim Hewson) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 15:33:38 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Label shows when record's empty In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've learned that the label must not be attached to the control. Then one can make the label visible or invisible as needed.? HTH Jim On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 3:10 PM, FW Salato Center wrote: > I've got a memo field and the Can Grow and Can Shrink properties both set > to Yes. This field is usually empty and I'd like the Label to disappear > when the field is blank. I've tried a Not(IsNull) to set the Visible > property in the detail section's Format event -- it's not working. Any > help? > > This should be simple. :) I didn't expect to see it at all. You'd think if > the control disappears its label would too. > > Susan H. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz Tue Mar 22 17:59:59 2016 From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 11:59:59 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] Label shows when record's empty In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Susan I usually change the label to a textbox, set its Can Shrink property to Yes, and enter its Control Source like this: =IIf(IsNull([NameOfDataField]),Null,"MyCaptionIfFieldHasData") Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: FW Salato Center Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 9:10 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Label shows when record's empty I've got a memo field and the Can Grow and Can Shrink properties both set to Yes. This field is usually empty and I'd like the Label to disappear when the field is blank. I've tried a Not(IsNull) to set the Visible property in the detail section's Format event -- it's not working. Any help? This should be simple. :) I didn't expect to see it at all. You'd think if the control disappears its label would too. Susan H. -- From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Mar 23 09:11:36 2016 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 07:11:36 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Blog on Rex Website Message-ID: <13C0B5779384461D82461B3D379F3C82@HAL9007> A client who is in the process of creating a commercial product based on the system I developed for his own business writes: We are in the final phase of finishing the REX website and Doris is adamant that we need to include a blog. Do you agree? I responded to him: A blog has two advantages: 1) it creates a community of users who can post blog entries to your site, respond to the blog posts and exchange information, and creates the impression of a more reputable product; 2) the 'bots that crawl through your site and are responsible for placement in the search engines, 'lke' new content. So a blog may incease your placement in a search by continuously adding new content to your site. There are two disadvantages: 1) allowing users or other to post comments to your blog opens you up to criticism, fair or unfair whcih you can control that by deleting undesreable posts - an ethically questionalbe tactic - or by not allowing comments or other posts to your blog which degrades its credibility in the minds of readers; 2) you need to solicit posts or create posts yourself continuously - a blog on which the last post is already 'stale' impairs your credibility - so it's a job which needs to be attended to all the time. Any other thoughts on this? MTIA Rocky From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Mar 23 14:19:01 2016 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 13:19:01 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [AccessD] FW: Blog on Rex Website In-Reply-To: <13C0B5779384461D82461B3D379F3C82@HAL9007> Message-ID: <497219198.10955900.1458760741703.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Well said and right-on. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "Off Topic" , "List" , "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 7:11:36 AM Subject: [AccessD] FW: Blog on Rex Website A client who is in the process of creating a commercial product based on the system I developed for his own business writes: We are in the final phase of finishing the REX website and Doris is adamant that we need to include a blog. Do you agree? I responded to him: A blog has two advantages: 1) it creates a community of users who can post blog entries to your site, respond to the blog posts and exchange information, and creates the impression of a more reputable product; 2) the 'bots that crawl through your site and are responsible for placement in the search engines, 'lke' new content. So a blog may incease your placement in a search by continuously adding new content to your site. There are two disadvantages: 1) allowing users or other to post comments to your blog opens you up to criticism, fair or unfair whcih you can control that by deleting undesreable posts - an ethically questionalbe tactic - or by not allowing comments or other posts to your blog which degrades its credibility in the minds of readers; 2) you need to solicit posts or create posts yourself continuously - a blog on which the last post is already 'stale' impairs your credibility - so it's a job which needs to be attended to all the time. Any other thoughts on this? MTIA Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Wed Mar 23 15:28:58 2016 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 20:28:58 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Blog on Rex Website In-Reply-To: <497219198.10955900.1458760741703.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> References: <13C0B5779384461D82461B3D379F3C82@HAL9007> <497219198.10955900.1458760741703.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Message-ID: Agreed Rocky. They should make sure they have the resources to deal with the blog. If it is a smaller business with low traffic then it might be manageable with the current team. If they are likely to get a higher volume (many responses in a day) then they might need to bring additional skills to the table. How they handle complains is critical. If the owner is the type to take it all personally and it turns into an online pissing contest than that can cause a lot of damage to the brand. If handled well and with elan, than it can add a lot of value - however like many things in life doing this well is a skill and perhaps shouldn't be left to just anyone to manage. One final thing is be mindful that who ever has the ability to post can also damage your brand, so choose wisely. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Thursday, 24 March 2016 6:19 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Blog on Rex Website Well said and right-on. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "Off Topic" , "List" , "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 7:11:36 AM Subject: [AccessD] FW: Blog on Rex Website A client who is in the process of creating a commercial product based on the system I developed for his own business writes: We are in the final phase of finishing the REX website and Doris is adamant that we need to include a blog. Do you agree? I responded to him: A blog has two advantages: 1) it creates a community of users who can post blog entries to your site, respond to the blog posts and exchange information, and creates the impression of a more reputable product; 2) the 'bots that crawl through your site and are responsible for placement in the search engines, 'lke' new content. So a blog may incease your placement in a search by continuously adding new content to your site. There are two disadvantages: 1) allowing users or other to post comments to your blog opens you up to criticism, fair or unfair whcih you can control that by deleting undesreable posts - an ethically questionalbe tactic - or by not allowing comments or other posts to your blog which degrades its credibility in the minds of readers; 2) you need to solicit posts or create posts yourself continuously - a blog on which the last post is already 'stale' impairs your credibility - so it's a job which needs to be attended to all the time. Any other thoughts on this? MTIA Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Mar 23 15:35:54 2016 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 13:35:54 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Blog on Rex Website In-Reply-To: References: <13C0B5779384461D82461B3D379F3C82@HAL9007><497219198.10955900.1458760741703.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Message-ID: Thank you for your rely. Valuable advice. Will forward to the client. r -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 1:29 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Blog on Rex Website Agreed Rocky. They should make sure they have the resources to deal with the blog. If it is a smaller business with low traffic then it might be manageable with the current team. If they are likely to get a higher volume (many responses in a day) then they might need to bring additional skills to the table. How they handle complains is critical. If the owner is the type to take it all personally and it turns into an online pissing contest than that can cause a lot of damage to the brand. If handled well and with elan, than it can add a lot of value - however like many things in life doing this well is a skill and perhaps shouldn't be left to just anyone to manage. One final thing is be mindful that who ever has the ability to post can also damage your brand, so choose wisely. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Thursday, 24 March 2016 6:19 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Blog on Rex Website Well said and right-on. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "Off Topic" , "List" , "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 7:11:36 AM Subject: [AccessD] FW: Blog on Rex Website A client who is in the process of creating a commercial product based on the system I developed for his own business writes: We are in the final phase of finishing the REX website and Doris is adamant that we need to include a blog. Do you agree? I responded to him: A blog has two advantages: 1) it creates a community of users who can post blog entries to your site, respond to the blog posts and exchange information, and creates the impression of a more reputable product; 2) the 'bots that crawl through your site and are responsible for placement in the search engines, 'lke' new content. So a blog may incease your placement in a search by continuously adding new content to your site. There are two disadvantages: 1) allowing users or other to post comments to your blog opens you up to criticism, fair or unfair whcih you can control that by deleting undesreable posts - an ethically questionalbe tactic - or by not allowing comments or other posts to your blog which degrades its credibility in the minds of readers; 2) you need to solicit posts or create posts yourself continuously - a blog on which the last post is already 'stale' impairs your credibility - so it's a job which needs to be attended to all the time. Any other thoughts on this? MTIA Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Salato at ky.gov Wed Mar 23 15:37:06 2016 From: Salato at ky.gov (FW Salato Center) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 20:37:06 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Blog on Rex Website In-Reply-To: References: <13C0B5779384461D82461B3D379F3C82@HAL9007> <497219198.10955900.1458760741703.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Message-ID: You can have a blog that doesn't allow for reader comments. We considered one for Salato -- one where the educators could check in frequently and just note interesting things going on, but we really don't have the time for it, so we decided not to do it. Susan H. Agreed Rocky. They should make sure they have the resources to deal with the blog. If it is a smaller business with low traffic then it might be manageable with the current team. If they are likely to get a higher volume (many responses in a day) then they might need to bring additional skills to the table. How they handle complains is critical. If the owner is the type to take it all personally and it turns into an online pissing contest than that can cause a lot of damage to the brand. If handled well and with elan, than it can add a lot of value - however like many things in life doing this well is a skill and perhaps shouldn't be left to just anyone to manage. One final thing is be mindful that who ever has the ability to post can also damage your brand, so choose wisely. From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Mar 23 16:04:07 2016 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 21:04:07 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Blog on Rex Website In-Reply-To: References: <13C0B5779384461D82461B3D379F3C82@HAL9007> <497219198.10955900.1458760741703.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Message-ID: And - YOU will need to 1) address the possibility of trolls, spam bots and competitors postings. 2) Moderate posts before they appear - if you allow public - or client access controlled posting - and that implies validation of authorised poster(s). 3) Have an email contact for the moderator, so the 'moderation' can be discussed. 4) Need to properly address the possibility ( probability) that annoying a poster by not presenting posts can result in: a) Denial of service attacks b) A similarly named forum/web place where publically visible complaints about the moderator not posting the following reports of your facilities and service faults. Although there is facebook and other public posting forums. Once 'you' go web based for interaction with the public, you are starting a whole new ballgame - and it isn't one you can easily closedown if you get fed-up with it. JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of FW Salato Center Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 8:37 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Blog on Rex Website You can have a blog that doesn't allow for reader comments. We considered one for Salato -- one where the educators could check in frequently and just note interesting things going on, but we really don't have the time for it, so we decided not to do it. Susan H. Agreed Rocky. They should make sure they have the resources to deal with the blog. If it is a smaller business with low traffic then it might be manageable with the current team. If they are likely to get a higher volume (many responses in a day) then they might need to bring additional skills to the table. How they handle complains is critical. If the owner is the type to take it all personally and it turns into an online pissing contest than that can cause a lot of damage to the brand. If handled well and with elan, than it can add a lot of value - however like many things in life doing this well is a skill and perhaps shouldn't be left to just anyone to manage. One final thing is be mindful that who ever has the ability to post can also damage your brand, so choose wisely. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Mar 23 16:11:14 2016 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 14:11:14 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Blog on Rex Website In-Reply-To: References: <13C0B5779384461D82461B3D379F3C82@HAL9007> <497219198.10955900.1458760741703.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <89AEB767FD744B0291D75DC07A61D6F1@HAL9007> roger that. r -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 2:04 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Blog on Rex Website And - YOU will need to 1) address the possibility of trolls, spam bots and competitors postings. 2) Moderate posts before they appear - if you allow public - or client access controlled posting - and that implies validation of authorised poster(s). 3) Have an email contact for the moderator, so the 'moderation' can be discussed. 4) Need to properly address the possibility ( probability) that annoying a poster by not presenting posts can result in: a) Denial of service attacks b) A similarly named forum/web place where publically visible complaints about the moderator not posting the following reports of your facilities and service faults. Although there is facebook and other public posting forums. Once 'you' go web based for interaction with the public, you are starting a whole new ballgame - and it isn't one you can easily closedown if you get fed-up with it. JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of FW Salato Center Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 8:37 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Blog on Rex Website You can have a blog that doesn't allow for reader comments. We considered one for Salato -- one where the educators could check in frequently and just note interesting things going on, but we really don't have the time for it, so we decided not to do it. Susan H. Agreed Rocky. They should make sure they have the resources to deal with the blog. If it is a smaller business with low traffic then it might be manageable with the current team. If they are likely to get a higher volume (many responses in a day) then they might need to bring additional skills to the table. How they handle complains is critical. If the owner is the type to take it all personally and it turns into an online pissing contest than that can cause a lot of damage to the brand. If handled well and with elan, than it can add a lot of value - however like many things in life doing this well is a skill and perhaps shouldn't be left to just anyone to manage. One final thing is be mindful that who ever has the ability to post can also damage your brand, so choose wisely. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Wed Mar 23 17:02:00 2016 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 17:02:00 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Blog on Rex Website In-Reply-To: <13C0B5779384461D82461B3D379F3C82@HAL9007> References: <13C0B5779384461D82461B3D379F3C82@HAL9007> Message-ID: <0a3c01d1854f$a05b3ea0$e111bbe0$@winhaven.net> Hi Rocky, I've noted the comments of others here and agree with much of it. My input would be that if the blog is done for marketing purposes, unless they have someone skilled at marketing to post and respond, they may want to forgo this idea. The anonymity of a venue empowers the negativity of the participants. "A pessimist is a person who has had to listen to too many optimists." -Don Marquis -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 9:12 AM To: 'Off Topic'; List; 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] FW: Blog on Rex Website A client who is in the process of creating a commercial product based on the system I developed for his own business writes: We are in the final phase of finishing the REX website and Doris is adamant that we need to include a blog. Do you agree? I responded to him: A blog has two advantages: 1) it creates a community of users who can post blog entries to your site, respond to the blog posts and exchange information, and creates the impression of a more reputable product; 2) the 'bots that crawl through your site and are responsible for placement in the search engines, 'lke' new content. So a blog may incease your placement in a search by continuously adding new content to your site. There are two disadvantages: 1) allowing users or other to post comments to your blog opens you up to criticism, fair or unfair whcih you can control that by deleting undesreable posts - an ethically questionalbe tactic - or by not allowing comments or other posts to your blog which degrades its credibility in the minds of readers; 2) you need to solicit posts or create posts yourself continuously - a blog on which the last post is already 'stale' impairs your credibility - so it's a job which needs to be attended to all the time. Any other thoughts on this? MTIA Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Mar 23 17:41:04 2016 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 18:41:04 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Blog on Rex Website In-Reply-To: <0a3c01d1854f$a05b3ea0$e111bbe0$@winhaven.net> References: <13C0B5779384461D82461B3D379F3C82@HAL9007> <0a3c01d1854f$a05b3ea0$e111bbe0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: John, There's another definition I prefer. An optimist is one who believes this is the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist agrees. A. On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 6:02 PM, John R Bartow wrote: > Hi Rocky, > I've noted the comments of others here and agree with much of it. > > My input would be that if the blog is done for marketing purposes, unless > they have someone skilled at marketing to post and respond, they may want > to > forgo this idea. The anonymity of a venue empowers the negativity of the > participants. > > "A pessimist is a person who has had to listen to too many optimists." -Don > Marquis From BWalsh at acumentra.org Wed Mar 23 18:00:01 2016 From: BWalsh at acumentra.org (Bob Walsh) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 23:00:01 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Blog on Rex Website In-Reply-To: References: <13C0B5779384461D82461B3D379F3C82@HAL9007> <0a3c01d1854f$a05b3ea0$e111bbe0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <457b4bb2446b476599b61050a4f93759@Rigel.ompro.org> An optimist believes the glass is half full, a pessimist believes the glass is half empty, a realist simply answers yes when asked if the glass is half full or half empty. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 3:41 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Blog on Rex Website John, There's another definition I prefer. An optimist is one who believes this is the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist agrees. A. On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 6:02 PM, John R Bartow wrote: > Hi Rocky, > I've noted the comments of others here and agree with much of it. > > My input would be that if the blog is done for marketing purposes, > unless they have someone skilled at marketing to post and respond, > they may want to forgo this idea. The anonymity of a venue empowers > the negativity of the participants. > > "A pessimist is a person who has had to listen to too many optimists." > -Don Marquis -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com IMPORTANT NOTE: The information contained in this message may be privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure. 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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Mar 23 18:16:38 2016 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 16:16:38 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Blog on Rex Website In-Reply-To: <457b4bb2446b476599b61050a4f93759@Rigel.ompro.org> References: <13C0B5779384461D82461B3D379F3C82@HAL9007><0a3c01d1854f$a05b3ea0$e111bbe0$@winhaven.net> <457b4bb2446b476599b61050a4f93759@Rigel.ompro.org> Message-ID: And the engineer wants to know why the glass is twice as big as it needs to be. r -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Walsh Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 4:00 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Blog on Rex Website An optimist believes the glass is half full, a pessimist believes the glass is half empty, a realist simply answers yes when asked if the glass is half full or half empty. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 3:41 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Blog on Rex Website John, There's another definition I prefer. An optimist is one who believes this is the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist agrees. A. On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 6:02 PM, John R Bartow wrote: > Hi Rocky, > I've noted the comments of others here and agree with much of it. > > My input would be that if the blog is done for marketing purposes, > unless they have someone skilled at marketing to post and respond, > they may want to forgo this idea. The anonymity of a venue empowers > the negativity of the participants. > > "A pessimist is a person who has had to listen to too many optimists." > -Don Marquis -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com IMPORTANT NOTE: The information contained in this message may be privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and delete this message from your computer. Acumentra Health. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Wed Mar 23 21:18:38 2016 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2016 02:18:38 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Blog on Rex Website In-Reply-To: References: <13C0B5779384461D82461B3D379F3C82@HAL9007><0a3c01d1854f$a05b3ea0$e111bbe0$@winhaven.net> <457b4bb2446b476599b61050a4f93759@Rigel.ompro.org> Message-ID: Haha... So does the accountant I would imagine ;) -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thursday, 24 March 2016 10:17 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Blog on Rex Website And the engineer wants to know why the glass is twice as big as it needs to be. r -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Walsh Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 4:00 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Blog on Rex Website An optimist believes the glass is half full, a pessimist believes the glass is half empty, a realist simply answers yes when asked if the glass is half full or half empty. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 3:41 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Blog on Rex Website John, There's another definition I prefer. An optimist is one who believes this is the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist agrees. A. On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 6:02 PM, John R Bartow wrote: > Hi Rocky, > I've noted the comments of others here and agree with much of it. > > My input would be that if the blog is done for marketing purposes, > unless they have someone skilled at marketing to post and respond, > they may want to forgo this idea. The anonymity of a venue empowers > the negativity of the participants. > > "A pessimist is a person who has had to listen to too many optimists." > -Don Marquis -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com IMPORTANT NOTE: The information contained in this message may be privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure. 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Acumentra Health. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Thu Mar 24 05:53:45 2016 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2016 13:53:45 +0300 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?EXCEL_OT?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1458816825.658052752@f405.i.mail.ru> Hi Gustav -- Yes, PowerShell does deserve its name - one can even build a successful business almost solely based it:?http://start-automating.com/Our_History/ I have been unaware of PowerShell "power" - I'm learning it now to use to build cloud based MS Windows VMs developing/testing/production systems/environments as automated way as possible - it looks like such systems could be built 100% automated way but it will take some time to get at that point... Thank you. -- Shamil >Monday, March 21, 2016 6:43 PM +03:00 from Gustav Brock : > >Hi Martin > >You owe Shamil a large beer. While we think of doing it, Shamil does it. > >By the way, the example shows that PowerShell does deserve its name. > >/gustav > >-----Oprindelig meddelelse----- >Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Martin Reid >Sendt: 21. marts 2016 16:37 >Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving < accessd at databaseadvisors.com > >Emne: Re: [AccessD] EXCEL OT > >Outstanding > >Martin > > >-----Original Message----- >From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil >Sent: 21 March 2016 15:32 >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving < accessd at databaseadvisors.com > >Subject: Re: [AccessD] EXCEL OT > >?Hi Martin -- > >Some googling + "quick & dirty"?code cooking and testing - here it's (correct folder and file names according to your environment): > >$sourceWorkbookFolder = "S:\Projects\Powershell\" >$sourceWorkbookFileName = "Test workbook.xlsx" >$convertedWorkbookFolder = $sourceWorkbookFolder $convertedWorkbookFileName = "'" + $sourceWorkbookFileName + "' is now in 97-2003 format.xls" >Add-Type -AssemblyName Microsoft.Office.Interop.Excel $xlApp = New-Object -COM "Excel.Application" >$xlApp.Visible = $true >$xlWbk = $xlApp.Workbooks.Open($sourceWorkbookFolder + $sourceWorkbookFileName) $xl97_2003Format = [Microsoft.Office.Interop.Excel.XlFileFormat]::xlExcel8 >$xlApp.DisplayAlerts = $false >$xlApp.ActiveWorkbook.SaveAs($convertedWorkbookFolder + $convertedWorkbookFileName, $xl97_2003Format) $xlApp.DisplayAlerts = $true > >$xlWbk.Close() >$xlApp.Quit() >FYI: I'm not PowerShell scripts writer at all - the above actually is the first PowerShell script I have ever written. > >Thank you. > >-- Shamil > >>Monday, March 21, 2016 12:08 PM +03:00 from Martin Reid < mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk >: >> >>Morning All >> >>Would anyone have an example of PowerShell opening an Excel workbook and then resaving it with the same name? We need to be 100% sure 2 workbooks we get are Excel 97-2003 format before we run some import code on them. >> >>There would be no user intervention as the script would run automatically. The code will error if they are in the incorrect formation and we want to avoid this happening and also avoid having to manually resave them. We have no control over the source who continually insist they are the correct type. >> >>Best Wishes >>Martin > >-- >AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jim at therareshop.com Sat Mar 26 19:24:21 2016 From: jim at therareshop.com (Jim Hale) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2016 19:24:21 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Blog on Rex Website In-Reply-To: <0a3c01d1854f$a05b3ea0$e111bbe0$@winhaven.net> References: <13C0B5779384461D82461B3D379F3C82@HAL9007> <0a3c01d1854f$a05b3ea0$e111bbe0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <016a01d187bf$025c1ef0$07145cd0$@therareshop.com> "A pessimist is a person who has had to listen to too many optimists." -Don Marquis There must be A LOT of optimists in the Fl Keys :-) J -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 5:02 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Blog on Rex Website Importance: High Hi Rocky, I've noted the comments of others here and agree with much of it. My input would be that if the blog is done for marketing purposes, unless they have someone skilled at marketing to post and respond, they may want to forgo this idea. The anonymity of a venue empowers the negativity of the participants. "A pessimist is a person who has had to listen to too many optimists." -Don Marquis -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 9:12 AM To: 'Off Topic'; List; 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] FW: Blog on Rex Website A client who is in the process of creating a commercial product based on the system I developed for his own business writes: We are in the final phase of finishing the REX website and Doris is adamant that we need to include a blog. Do you agree? I responded to him: A blog has two advantages: 1) it creates a community of users who can post blog entries to your site, respond to the blog posts and exchange information, and creates the impression of a more reputable product; 2) the 'bots that crawl through your site and are responsible for placement in the search engines, 'lke' new content. So a blog may incease your placement in a search by continuously adding new content to your site. There are two disadvantages: 1) allowing users or other to post comments to your blog opens you up to criticism, fair or unfair whcih you can control that by deleting undesreable posts - an ethically questionalbe tactic - or by not allowing comments or other posts to your blog which degrades its credibility in the minds of readers; 2) you need to solicit posts or create posts yourself continuously - a blog on which the last post is already 'stale' impairs your credibility - so it's a job which needs to be attended to all the time. Any other thoughts on this? MTIA Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Mar 27 10:44:04 2016 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2016 16:44:04 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Blog on Rex Website In-Reply-To: <016a01d187bf$025c1ef0$07145cd0$@therareshop.com> References: <13C0B5779384461D82461B3D379F3C82@HAL9007> <0a3c01d1854f$a05b3ea0$e111bbe0$@winhaven.net> <016a01d187bf$025c1ef0$07145cd0$@therareshop.com> Message-ID: But wouldn't 3 optimists being audibly enthusiastic, be enough to ruin the ambience of a locality? JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hale Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 12:24 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Blog on Rex Website "A pessimist is a person who has had to listen to too many optimists." -Don Marquis There must be A LOT of optimists in the Fl Keys :-) J -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 5:02 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Blog on Rex Website Importance: High Hi Rocky, I've noted the comments of others here and agree with much of it. My input would be that if the blog is done for marketing purposes, unless they have someone skilled at marketing to post and respond, they may want to forgo this idea. The anonymity of a venue empowers the negativity of the participants. "A pessimist is a person who has had to listen to too many optimists." -Don Marquis -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 9:12 AM To: 'Off Topic'; List; 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] FW: Blog on Rex Website A client who is in the process of creating a commercial product based on the system I developed for his own business writes: We are in the final phase of finishing the REX website and Doris is adamant that we need to include a blog. Do you agree? I responded to him: A blog has two advantages: 1) it creates a community of users who can post blog entries to your site, respond to the blog posts and exchange information, and creates the impression of a more reputable product; 2) the 'bots that crawl through your site and are responsible for placement in the search engines, 'lke' new content. So a blog may incease your placement in a search by continuously adding new content to your site. There are two disadvantages: 1) allowing users or other to post comments to your blog opens you up to criticism, fair or unfair whcih you can control that by deleting undesreable posts - an ethically questionalbe tactic - or by not allowing comments or other posts to your blog which degrades its credibility in the minds of readers; 2) you need to solicit posts or create posts yourself continuously - a blog on which the last post is already 'stale' impairs your credibility - so it's a job which needs to be attended to all the time. Any other thoughts on this? MTIA Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From df.waters at outlook.com Sun Mar 27 12:18:15 2016 From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2016 12:18:15 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] FW: Blog on Rex Website Message-ID: If someone is a pessimist - sure! Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: James Button Sent: ?3/?27/?2016 10:44 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Blog on Rex Website But wouldn't 3 optimists being audibly enthusiastic, be enough to ruin the ambience of a locality? JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hale Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 12:24 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Blog on Rex Website "A pessimist is a person who has had to listen to too many optimists." -Don Marquis There must be A LOT of optimists in the Fl Keys :-) J -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 5:02 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Blog on Rex Website Importance: High Hi Rocky, I've noted the comments of others here and agree with much of it. My input would be that if the blog is done for marketing purposes, unless they have someone skilled at marketing to post and respond, they may want to forgo this idea. The anonymity of a venue empowers the negativity of the participants. "A pessimist is a person who has had to listen to too many optimists." -Don Marquis -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 9:12 AM To: 'Off Topic'; List; 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] FW: Blog on Rex Website A client who is in the process of creating a commercial product based on the system I developed for his own business writes: We are in the final phase of finishing the REX website and Doris is adamant that we need to include a blog. Do you agree? I responded to him: A blog has two advantages: 1) it creates a community of users who can post blog entries to your site, respond to the blog posts and exchange information, and creates the impression of a more reputable product; 2) the 'bots that crawl through your site and are responsible for placement in the search engines, 'lke' new content. So a blog may incease your placement in a search by continuously adding new content to your site. There are two disadvantages: 1) allowing users or other to post comments to your blog opens you up to criticism, fair or unfair whcih you can control that by deleting undesreable posts - an ethically questionalbe tactic - or by not allowing comments or other posts to your blog which degrades its credibility in the minds of readers; 2) you need to solicit posts or create posts yourself continuously - a blog on which the last post is already 'stale' impairs your credibility - so it's a job which needs to be attended to all the time. Any other thoughts on this? MTIA Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz Sun Mar 27 16:31:02 2016 From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2016 10:31:02 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] Report Replacing Text with Image Message-ID: <000901d1886f$f6efe7c0$e4cfb740$@dalyn.co.nz> Hi Listers, Access 2013, SQL 2012 BE. I have a report with a subreport. The subreport is a continuous report with a single field representing a paragraph of text. The data is stored in Rich Text format. In the middle of one of the paragraphs is the text "{Image}". When the report is printed I want the text "{Image}" to be replaced with an actual image. The image is the same for all reports. However the location of the paragraph on the report is not fixed as it depends on what paragraphs are selected for the report. Any suggestions how I can achieve this? From jbodin at sbor.com Sun Mar 27 17:12:33 2016 From: jbodin at sbor.com (John Bodin) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2016 22:12:33 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Report Replacing Text with Image In-Reply-To: <000901d1886f$f6efe7c0$e4cfb740$@dalyn.co.nz> References: <000901d1886f$f6efe7c0$e4cfb740$@dalyn.co.nz> Message-ID: Hi David, I seem to remember Stephen Lebans had something that would allow you to do this but there was a limitation as to where the picture was to be placed (like text could not wrap around it or something like that.) That would be old Code as he stopped doing Access a while ago. I used it in an app some time ago (http://www.lebans.com/richtext.htm) Had this in a .Net link that might give some insight into RTF fields (too much for me) http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/4544/Insert-Plain-Text-and-Images-into-RichTextBox-at-R Good luck, John -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 5:31 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Report Replacing Text with Image Hi Listers, Access 2013, SQL 2012 BE. I have a report with a subreport. The subreport is a continuous report with a single field representing a paragraph of text. The data is stored in Rich Text format. In the middle of one of the paragraphs is the text "{Image}". When the report is printed I want the text "{Image}" to be replaced with an actual image. The image is the same for all reports. However the location of the paragraph on the report is not fixed as it depends on what paragraphs are selected for the report. Any suggestions how I can achieve this? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Mar 27 17:24:04 2016 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2016 15:24:04 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Report Replacing Text with Image In-Reply-To: References: <000901d1886f$f6efe7c0$e4cfb740$@dalyn.co.nz> Message-ID: <8D487581FC8043BEAEDC300756BE9E57@HAL9007> David: In the detail section of the report I would place two text boxes and the image - one text box above the image, one below. Then, in the format event of the detail section of the report I would split the rtf text with the word [image] in it. Using Instr, find the end of the first section of text put that in the text box above the image, and the second part of the rtf after [image] in the second text box. Would that work? Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-771-1869 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bodin Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 3:13 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Report Replacing Text with Image Hi David, I seem to remember Stephen Lebans had something that would allow you to do this but there was a limitation as to where the picture was to be placed (like text could not wrap around it or something like that.) That would be old Code as he stopped doing Access a while ago. I used it in an app some time ago (http://www.lebans.com/richtext.htm) Had this in a .Net link that might give some insight into RTF fields (too much for me) http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/4544/Insert-Plain-Text-and-Images-into-R ichTextBox-at-R Good luck, John -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 5:31 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Report Replacing Text with Image Hi Listers, Access 2013, SQL 2012 BE. I have a report with a subreport. The subreport is a continuous report with a single field representing a paragraph of text. The data is stored in Rich Text format. In the middle of one of the paragraphs is the text "{Image}". When the report is printed I want the text "{Image}" to be replaced with an actual image. The image is the same for all reports. However the location of the paragraph on the report is not fixed as it depends on what paragraphs are selected for the report. Any suggestions how I can achieve this? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz Sun Mar 27 17:45:51 2016 From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2016 11:45:51 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] Report Replacing Text with Image In-Reply-To: <8D487581FC8043BEAEDC300756BE9E57@HAL9007> References: <000901d1886f$f6efe7c0$e4cfb740$@dalyn.co.nz> <8D487581FC8043BEAEDC300756BE9E57@HAL9007> Message-ID: <001401d1887a$6ab06db0$40114910$@dalyn.co.nz> Hi Rocky and John, John - Looked at Lebans site but I think this is more than needed (want to avoid installing extra files if possible) and I couldn't see a reference to Images being included in the text. Rocky - Your solution may be able to be used. Will experiment. Thanks all David -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, 28 March 2016 11:24 a.m. To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Report Replacing Text with Image David: In the detail section of the report I would place two text boxes and the image - one text box above the image, one below. Then, in the format event of the detail section of the report I would split the rtf text with the word [image] in it. Using Instr, find the end of the first section of text put that in the text box above the image, and the second part of the rtf after [image] in the second text box. Would that work? Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-771-1869 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bodin Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 3:13 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Report Replacing Text with Image Hi David, I seem to remember Stephen Lebans had something that would allow you to do this but there was a limitation as to where the picture was to be placed (like text could not wrap around it or something like that.) That would be old Code as he stopped doing Access a while ago. I used it in an app some time ago (http://www.lebans.com/richtext.htm) Had this in a .Net link that might give some insight into RTF fields (too much for me) http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/4544/Insert-Plain-Text-and-Images-into-R ichTextBox-at-R Good luck, John -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 5:31 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Report Replacing Text with Image Hi Listers, Access 2013, SQL 2012 BE. I have a report with a subreport. The subreport is a continuous report with a single field representing a paragraph of text. The data is stored in Rich Text format. In the middle of one of the paragraphs is the text "{Image}". When the report is printed I want the text "{Image}" to be replaced with an actual image. The image is the same for all reports. However the location of the paragraph on the report is not fixed as it depends on what paragraphs are selected for the report. Any suggestions how I can achieve this? From jbodin at sbor.com Sun Mar 27 18:17:26 2016 From: jbodin at sbor.com (John Bodin) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2016 23:17:26 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Report Replacing Text with Image In-Reply-To: <001401d1887a$6ab06db0$40114910$@dalyn.co.nz> References: <000901d1886f$f6efe7c0$e4cfb740$@dalyn.co.nz> <8D487581FC8043BEAEDC300756BE9E57@HAL9007> <001401d1887a$6ab06db0$40114910$@dalyn.co.nz> Message-ID: Yeah, wasn't sure exactly what you were trying to do on the report layout, with wrapping text or not. I am not familiar with the RTF structure and how the code looks when an image is linked or embedded in an RTF document. I had thought you could do something as simple as a replace statement replacing {Image} with Link to C:\Foo\Foobar.Jpg. Or even create a temporary table with some code before the report runs to put the contents of each record already merged into a field in that temp table and report off of that. But looking at the structure of an RTF, I can see where and how to locate text {Image}, but no idea the code to replace it with the image. Good luck. John -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 6:46 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Report Replacing Text with Image Hi Rocky and John, John - Looked at Lebans site but I think this is more than needed (want to avoid installing extra files if possible) and I couldn't see a reference to Images being included in the text. Rocky - Your solution may be able to be used. Will experiment. Thanks all David -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, 28 March 2016 11:24 a.m. To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Report Replacing Text with Image David: In the detail section of the report I would place two text boxes and the image - one text box above the image, one below. Then, in the format event of the detail section of the report I would split the rtf text with the word [image] in it. Using Instr, find the end of the first section of text put that in the text box above the image, and the second part of the rtf after [image] in the second text box. Would that work? Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-771-1869 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bodin Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 3:13 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Report Replacing Text with Image Hi David, I seem to remember Stephen Lebans had something that would allow you to do this but there was a limitation as to where the picture was to be placed (like text could not wrap around it or something like that.) That would be old Code as he stopped doing Access a while ago. I used it in an app some time ago (http://www.lebans.com/richtext.htm) Had this in a .Net link that might give some insight into RTF fields (too much for me) http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/4544/Insert-Plain-Text-and-Images-into-R ichTextBox-at-R Good luck, John -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 5:31 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Report Replacing Text with Image Hi Listers, Access 2013, SQL 2012 BE. I have a report with a subreport. The subreport is a continuous report with a single field representing a paragraph of text. The data is stored in Rich Text format. In the middle of one of the paragraphs is the text "{Image}". When the report is printed I want the text "{Image}" to be replaced with an actual image. The image is the same for all reports. However the location of the paragraph on the report is not fixed as it depends on what paragraphs are selected for the report. Any suggestions how I can achieve this? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Mar 28 09:40:01 2016 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2016 10:40:01 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Northwind 2007 question Message-ID: Since I don't have v. 2010 or beyond, I don't know whether the Northwind sample application has changed. The 2007 version has changed considerably, in terms of user interface, from previous versions. Most immediately apparent is the lack of a starup form that functions as the app-menu. Instead, the opening form resembles a dashboard, with relevant information and action-items presented at once. Actually, the opening screen is a login form, followed immediately by the dashboard. This form contains a couple of subforms, one of which is a datasheet listing active orders for the current user. The datasheet is based on a SELECT statement, but the SELECT makes no mention of the current user. I'm not seeing how this query is restricted to the current user, but somehow it is. I know this because when I grab the SELECT statement and run it as a query, I get the active orders for all users, not just the current one. Has anyone familiar with this sample app got an idea how this is achieved? Perhaps it has something to do with the Parameters table? -- Arthur From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz Thu Mar 31 19:18:11 2016 From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 13:18:11 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] Report Replacing Text with Image In-Reply-To: <8D487581FC8043BEAEDC300756BE9E57@HAL9007> References: <000901d1886f$f6efe7c0$e4cfb740$@dalyn.co.nz> <8D487581FC8043BEAEDC300756BE9E57@HAL9007> Message-ID: <001501d18bab$fc9337b0$f5b9a710$@dalyn.co.nz> Hi team, I have tried to implement Rocky's suggestion. The problem I have encountered is that when I create a field in the report query that splits the text, the control on the report will not accept a Text Format of Rich Text. If I change the source of the control back to the raw field the control can be changed to Rich Text . Any suggestions of how I can get around this? Thanks all David -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, 28 March 2016 11:24 a.m. To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Report Replacing Text with Image David: In the detail section of the report I would place two text boxes and the image - one text box above the image, one below. Then, in the format event of the detail section of the report I would split the rtf text with the word [image] in it. Using Instr, find the end of the first section of text put that in the text box above the image, and the second part of the rtf after [image] in the second text box. Would that work? Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-771-1869 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bodin Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 3:13 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Report Replacing Text with Image Hi David, I seem to remember Stephen Lebans had something that would allow you to do this but there was a limitation as to where the picture was to be placed (like text could not wrap around it or something like that.) That would be old Code as he stopped doing Access a while ago. I used it in an app some time ago (http://www.lebans.com/richtext.htm) Had this in a .Net link that might give some insight into RTF fields (too much for me) http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/4544/Insert-Plain-Text-and-Images-into-R ichTextBox-at-R Good luck, John -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 5:31 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Report Replacing Text with Image Hi Listers, Access 2013, SQL 2012 BE. I have a report with a subreport. The subreport is a continuous report with a single field representing a paragraph of text. The data is stored in Rich Text format. In the middle of one of the paragraphs is the text "{Image}". When the report is printed I want the text "{Image}" to be replaced with an actual image. The image is the same for all reports. However the location of the paragraph on the report is not fixed as it depends on what paragraphs are selected for the report. Any suggestions how I can achieve this? From jackandpat.d at gmail.com Thu Mar 31 21:17:37 2016 From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 22:17:37 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Northwind 2007 question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Arthur, I haven't done much with Northwind 2007. I just opened a copy I had someone send me a while back. What I'm seeing is that the Active Orders is a subform and the data linkage Masterfields/ChildFields is done via the cboCurrentEmployee on the mainform linked with Employee Id on the subform. Jack On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Since I don't have v. 2010 or beyond, I don't know whether the Northwind > sample application has changed. The 2007 version has changed considerably, > in terms of user interface, from previous versions. Most immediately > apparent is the lack of a starup form that functions as the app-menu. > Instead, the opening form resembles a dashboard, with relevant information > and action-items presented at once. > > Actually, the opening screen is a login form, followed immediately by the > dashboard. This form contains a couple of subforms, one of which is a > datasheet listing active orders for the current user. The datasheet is > based on a SELECT statement, but the SELECT makes no mention of the current > user. I'm not seeing how this query is restricted to the current user, but > somehow it is. I know this because when I grab the SELECT statement and run > it as a query, I get the active orders for all users, not just the current > one. > > Has anyone familiar with this sample app got an idea how this is achieved? > Perhaps it has something to do with the Parameters table? > > -- > Arthur > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >