From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun May  1 02:01:03 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 1 May 2016 07:01:03 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] After having picked a date
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB1584EC5B05B622162BF825FDCA780@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi All

I've found a solution to a problem that have bothered me ever since the datepicker was introduced: How to move on after having picked a date?

I found out that all you may have to do is to move the mouse:

<code>
Private Sub Detailsection_MouseMove(Button As Integer, Shift As Integer, X As Single, Y As Single)

    ' Adjust control names to fit your form.
    Const DateTextboxName   As String = "txtOrderDate"
    Const NextFocusControl  As String = "txtShipDate"
    
    ' Ignore errors from validation or the like that
    ' will block setting focus to NextFocusControl.
    On Error Resume Next
    
    If Screen.ActiveControl.Name = DateTextboxName Then
        With Me(DateTextboxName)
            If IsDate(.Text) Then
                If IsNull(.Value) Or DateDiff("d", DateValue(.Text), .Value) <> 0 Then
                    Me(NextFocusControl).SetFocus
                End If
            End If
        End With
    End If
    
End Sub</code>

 /gustav

From bensonforums at gmail.com  Sun May  1 08:32:51 2016
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Sun, 1 May 2016 09:32:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] White screen
In-Reply-To: <572154DD.306@gmail.com>
References: <5720E857.7080800@gmail.com>
	<BLU176-DS3C983F7212119D097E1DFF6640@phx.gbl>
	<5721338B.13619.1CFDB275@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<572154DD.306@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_3TRN-wrpSfZo5E66_N-+njAFh29HYeX7hPh3VTDYH9tw@mail.gmail.com>

Fred it's far past a day and I am anxious awaiting the next installment. ..
how is it going?
On Apr 27, 2016 8:12 PM, "Fred Hooper" <fahooper at gmail.com> wrote:

> Weird.
>
> When I ran the code that the view runs in Management studio it executed
> the code once, taking 982 miliseconds and showed the code that I ran.
>
> When I selected * from the view in MS it executed it once, taking 997
> miliseconds.
>
> When I double-clicked the "table" linking to the user view, it first ran
> the selection from the view, taking 144 miliseconds. Then, it ran
> sp_execute six times for a bit more than 800 ms each, for a total of
> about 4850 ms.
>
> When, I allowed the Requerey to execute it ran more than 400 lines in
> the profiler, each just under a second. However, because I'd run from
> the "table" above, the form wasn't maximized. When I clicked it to
> maximize it ran another 230 lines, at the same pace but pausing
> occasionally. Then, I hit the [Close] button and it ran another 22 lines
> at 1 second each before it closed.
>
> Finally, when I ran it normally, it ran 480 lines in the profiler at
> about a second each -- reasonably close to my 10 minute estimate.
>
> It's clear that you've put your finger on the problem. Thank you.
>
> It seemed such an elegant solution, it's too bad it doesn't work. Do you
> have any idea what's going on?
>
> I'll run the profiler with simple link structures tomorrow and post the
> results.
>
> Thanks again,
> Fred
> > Stuart McLachlan <mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> > Wednesday, April 27, 2016 5:47 PM
> > Do you have parent/child links between the form and subform?
> >
> > Where is your Form_Subform.requery triggered, what exactly is the code
> > that does this?
> >
> > >From your description. the requery is being called repeatedly - you
> > should be able to monitor
> > the connection in SQL Serv Management Studio to confirm this.
> >
> > What happens if you build a simple query to a single temporary local
> > table and try exactly the
> > same process with that?
> >
> >
> >
> > ...
> >
> > Fred Hooper <mailto:fahooper at gmail.com>
> > Wednesday, April 27, 2016 12:27 PM
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I'm converting someone else's Access 2002 program to a SQL Server 14
> > back end. I apologize in advance for the amount of information, but I
> > didn't want to waste your time suggesting something that I've already
> > tried. And, since I've been unable to find much help on the web,
> > apparently my problem is unusual.
> >
> > Background:
> > When I asked a question about converting to SQL server relating to
> > dbSync a few weeks ago I received two suggestions:
> >
> >  1. Improve the network speed. I did that but it made only a small
> >     difference.
> >  2. Just replace the links to the Access back end with links to SQL
> >     server. This didn't work; too slow.
> >      1. Most of the queries that feed the forms are complex; 8-15
> >         tables, mostly outer joins and many fields (so the same query
> >         can be used for different purposes). It took upwards of 20
> >         minutes to populate a form with this approach.
> >      2. I moved most of the queries to SQL Server and linked to them.
> >         This reduced the time to populate to 10 minute, still
> >         unacceptable.
> >  3. BTW, all of the queries, direct and indirect, populate much more
> >     quickly from the database window; it's just populating through the
> >     forms that is causing me problems.
> >
> > So I moved to a more complex approach:
> >
> >   * Non-editable forms are populated by ADO recordsets. This is quick
> >     and works fine.
> >   * Editable forms are the problem
> >       o Because the back end doesn't enforce referential integrity
> >         (reference link
> >         <
> http://rogersaccessblog.blogspot.com/2009/11/this-recordset-is-not-updateable-why.html
> >)
> >         I can't update through the complex queries in the recordsets.
> >       o So I'm trying "user views": Views named for the pc/user
> >         concatenation (because users can be logged in on multiple
> >         pc's). For example:
> >           + A view named "QryActionsReport_2_PUGET-88049" contains the
> >             SQL code "SELECT * from dbo.qryActionsReport WHERE
> >             charindex('jones',[cusCompanyName]) > 0". This returns 80
> >             records.
> >           + This query replaces the QryActionsReport query in the
> >             database window, but the local name doesn't change. A
> >             proper unique index is applied.
> >           + In the database window the query populates in 4-5 seconds
> >             and is editable.
> >           + This process effectively creates an editable passthru query
> >       o The main form has no data source. There's a single subform
> >         with QryActionsReport as its RecordSource. The user view when
> >         the form is opened has "where 1=0", and populates instantly.
> >           + The code changes the user view to look for 'jones' and the
> >             local query link is refreshed.
> >           + I repopulate the subform with "Form_SubformName.Requery"
> >             and my problem begins:
> >               # It seems to take forever, actually just 10 minutes.
> >               # On the subform 6 lines are slowly populated, 2 seconds
> >                 per line. Then, the subform blanks, and it slowly
> >                 repeats 22(!) times
> >               # Interestingly, code that executes after the Requery to
> >                 populate another field is executed immediately after I
> >                 press the button to populate the subform, while the
> >                 first record on the subform is slowly filling.
> >               # After the subform seems populated it still isn't
> >                 ready. If I click on the main form a couple of times
> >                 the whole form gets a whitish overlay (the "white
> >                 screen" in my subject) and I can no longer get to the
> >                 open code window.
> >               # After the form can be used and I close it the form is
> >                 no longer maximized and the subform begins to populate
> >                 again, filling 6 lines slowly, before it finally closes.
> >   * Things I've tried that haven't worked
> >       o Changing the link to the user view between ODBC and DSN-less.
> >         (I'm using ODBC 11, the native connection to SQL Server 12 and
> >         14.)
> >       o Temporarily used Debug.Print in the subform Current event, but
> >         it fires only once and does so immediately. There's no Current
> >         event in the main form as it has no data.
> >       o As the program uses only maximized forms, I put a check for
> >         already-maximized in the main form's Activate event.
> >       o Installed the most recent video driver
> >       o Changed the display driver from generic to the specific display
> >       o Changed from a development version of SQL Server 2012 to SQL
> >         Server 2014 Express
> >   * Things I've thought of trying, but haven't yet
> >       o Establish referential integrity in the back end
> >       o Buy a video card to replace the motherboard-included Intel
> >         3000 display "card"
> >
> > My PC is 3 years old with all programs and operating system (Win 7
> > pro) up-to-date. All code and data is operating off a solid-state hard
> > drive.
> >
> > I really appreciate your reading so much and I hope that you can help me.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Fred Hooper
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From kost36 at otenet.gr  Tue May  3 14:01:45 2016
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Tue, 3 May 2016 22:01:45 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] mysql query dosen't filter on HAVING
Message-ID: <012901d1a56e$3f05def0$bd119cd0$@otenet.gr>

Hi group
I use a mysql query like

VIEW `2nd_movie` AS
    SELECT DISTINCT
        `ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_films` AS `ID_films`,
        `ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` AS `ID_idiotita`,
        `MT_films`.`Title1` AS `Title1`,
        `MT_films`.`room_last` AS `room_last`,
        `MT_films`.`etos` AS `etos`,
        `MT_films`.`katigoria` AS `katigoria`,
        `MT_films`.`diarkeia` AS `diarkeia`,
        `MT_films`.`proeleysiSenarioy` AS `proeleysiSenarioy`,
        GROUP_CONCAT(DISTINCT `T_people`.`person`
            ORDER BY `T_people`.`person` ASC
            SEPARATOR ', ') AS `person`,
        CONCAT_WS(' - ',
                `MT_films`.`Title1`,
                `MT_films`.`Title2`,
                `MT_films`.`Title3`,
                `MT_films`.`title4`) AS `Titles`
    FROM
        ((`MT_films`
        JOIN `ST_peoplefilms` ON ((`MT_films`.`ID_films` =
`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_films`)))
        LEFT JOIN `T_people` ON ((`T_people`.`ID_person` =
`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_person`)))
    GROUP BY `ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_films`
    HAVING ((`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` = 29)
        AND (`MT_films`.`room_last` = 3))

But it doesn't filter on ID_idiotita=29 which is related to Director(s) of
the movie 
It returns all the other crew values as well

Am I missing something in that?
Thank's
/kostas




From kost36 at otenet.gr  Tue May  3 14:45:17 2016
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Tue, 3 May 2016 22:45:17 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] mysql query dosen't filter on HAVING
In-Reply-To: <012901d1a56e$3f05def0$bd119cd0$@otenet.gr>
References: <012901d1a56e$3f05def0$bd119cd0$@otenet.gr>
Message-ID: <013001d1a574$52c979a0$f85c6ce0$@otenet.gr>

Solved.... I was just blind...
I missed the WHERE!!!!

Sorry
Thank's
/kostas


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Kostas Konstantinidis
Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2016 10:02 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] mysql query dosen't filter on HAVING

Hi group
I use a mysql query like

VIEW `2nd_movie` AS
    SELECT DISTINCT
        `ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_films` AS `ID_films`,
        `ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` AS `ID_idiotita`,
        `MT_films`.`Title1` AS `Title1`,
        `MT_films`.`room_last` AS `room_last`,
        `MT_films`.`etos` AS `etos`,
        `MT_films`.`katigoria` AS `katigoria`,
        `MT_films`.`diarkeia` AS `diarkeia`,
        `MT_films`.`proeleysiSenarioy` AS `proeleysiSenarioy`,
        GROUP_CONCAT(DISTINCT `T_people`.`person`
            ORDER BY `T_people`.`person` ASC
            SEPARATOR ', ') AS `person`,
        CONCAT_WS(' - ',
                `MT_films`.`Title1`,
                `MT_films`.`Title2`,
                `MT_films`.`Title3`,
                `MT_films`.`title4`) AS `Titles`
    FROM
        ((`MT_films`
        JOIN `ST_peoplefilms` ON ((`MT_films`.`ID_films` =
`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_films`)))
        LEFT JOIN `T_people` ON ((`T_people`.`ID_person` =
`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_person`)))
    GROUP BY `ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_films`
    HAVING ((`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` = 29)
        AND (`MT_films`.`room_last` = 3))

But it doesn't filter on ID_idiotita=29 which is related to Director(s) of
the movie It returns all the other crew values as well

Am I missing something in that?
Thank's
/kostas



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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed May  4 10:30:35 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 08:30:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XLSX
Message-ID: <C17EC9D6045845A7BD7488E56240ECC9@HAL9007>

Dear List:
 
I'm still using 2003 for development - should probably up to 2010.
However...
 
I have an app which requires processing data from XL spreadsheets.  My usual
method is to use TransferSpreadsheet into a front end table and process the
records from there.
 
However, TransferSpreadsheet doesn't seem to like xlsx format. If I save the
file as xls, no problem.
 
Is there a way to use TransferSpreadsheet on an xlsx file in A2003?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
760-683-5777
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed May  4 11:27:05 2016
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 12:27:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XLSX
In-Reply-To: <C17EC9D6045845A7BD7488E56240ECC9@HAL9007>
References: <C17EC9D6045845A7BD7488E56240ECC9@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <D1A03664490140C083B0BCC99B845B34@XPS>


 None.  You have two basic options:

1. An ad-hoc utility run with task manager to do a .xlsx to .xls conversion.

2. Have whoever is supplying the data give it to you in .csv format.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 11:31 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XLSX

Dear List:
 
I'm still using 2003 for development - should probably up to 2010.
However...
 
I have an app which requires processing data from XL spreadsheets.  My usual
method is to use TransferSpreadsheet into a front end table and process the
records from there.
 
However, TransferSpreadsheet doesn't seem to like xlsx format. If I save the
file as xls, no problem.
 
Is there a way to use TransferSpreadsheet on an xlsx file in A2003?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
760-683-5777
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Wed May  4 13:06:25 2016
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 14:06:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XLSX
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_0DsrGyvAnmmcHc7VvcmsYovXBJofB4-eYWj-SZ72fgdw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C17EC9D6045845A7BD7488E56240ECC9@HAL9007>
	<CAJLzs_1_TsO3GpYuSnAg04st4_oG242Zd1M2bSxFxcBi=TzOhw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJLzs_3+O6rybtnkOV3bvMz2ffPG65PmMKq0ecrmPD7vm-Z3+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJLzs_2_v1f0Gu9V9SEic0hT+nUQq8iSTj3MiQgc_jPTcOzYgQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJLzs_0DsrGyvAnmmcHc7VvcmsYovXBJofB4-eYWj-SZ72fgdw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_2cDuaDrTM0Y00e8MGbYCnv0aVH-HgzsEN07q+a8FEUZQ@mail.gmail.com>

Automate Excel through Access. If Excel 2007 and higher is your most
recently installed Excel version, that will be used to open the .xlsx file,
then saveas in code paying particular attention to both extension and the
fileformat intrinsic constant for 2003 files, which to Excel is xlExcel8
but if you use CreateObject instead of setting a reference to Excel, use
56. Then use Transfer spreadsheet.

If you have most recently installed Excel 2003, then that is what will open
the file, and it will be in Compatibility mode. Likewise do a SaveAs, but I
am not sure there was a FileFormat property back then. If there was, it
likely was not 56, it might have been some number in the 4000's.
On May 4, 2016 11:32 AM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

Dear List:

I'm still using 2003 for development - should probably up to 2010.
However...

I have an app which requires processing data from XL spreadsheets.  My usual
method is to use TransferSpreadsheet into a front end table and process the
records from there.

However, TransferSpreadsheet doesn't seem to like xlsx format. If I save the
file as xls, no problem.

Is there a way to use TransferSpreadsheet on an xlsx file in A2003?

MTIA

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
760-683-5777
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/>
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin

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From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Wed May  4 13:36:47 2016
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 18:36:47 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XLSX
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_2cDuaDrTM0Y00e8MGbYCnv0aVH-HgzsEN07q+a8FEUZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C17EC9D6045845A7BD7488E56240ECC9@HAL9007>
	<CAJLzs_1_TsO3GpYuSnAg04st4_oG242Zd1M2bSxFxcBi=TzOhw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJLzs_3+O6rybtnkOV3bvMz2ffPG65PmMKq0ecrmPD7vm-Z3+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJLzs_2_v1f0Gu9V9SEic0hT+nUQq8iSTj3MiQgc_jPTcOzYgQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJLzs_0DsrGyvAnmmcHc7VvcmsYovXBJofB4-eYWj-SZ72fgdw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJLzs_2cDuaDrTM0Y00e8MGbYCnv0aVH-HgzsEN07q+a8FEUZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA862A589B0@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>

It's been a while, so I don't exactly remember, but I think that if you install the MS Office Compatibility Pack, then Access will be able to read .xlsx files. The SW is available here...

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=3


Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Benson
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 2:06 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XLSX

Automate Excel through Access. If Excel 2007 and higher is your most recently installed Excel version, that will be used to open the .xlsx file, then saveas in code paying particular attention to both extension and the fileformat intrinsic constant for 2003 files, which to Excel is xlExcel8 but if you use CreateObject instead of setting a reference to Excel, use 56. Then use Transfer spreadsheet.

If you have most recently installed Excel 2003, then that is what will open the file, and it will be in Compatibility mode. Likewise do a SaveAs, but I am not sure there was a FileFormat property back then. If there was, it likely was not 56, it might have been some number in the 4000's.
On May 4, 2016 11:32 AM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

Dear List:

I'm still using 2003 for development - should probably up to 2010.
However...

I have an app which requires processing data from XL spreadsheets.  My usual method is to use TransferSpreadsheet into a front end table and process the records from there.

However, TransferSpreadsheet doesn't seem to like xlsx format. If I save the file as xls, no problem.

Is there a way to use TransferSpreadsheet on an xlsx file in A2003?

MTIA

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
760-683-5777
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/>
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin

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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Wed May  4 14:07:02 2016
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 15:07:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Issues of many-many relationships
Message-ID: <e33ef448-82c6-3145-beb6-9e67624edb41@torchlake.com>

Hi,

This should be easy, I'm sure, and I should know how to do it, but I'm 
having trouble with it.

The examples I regularly find that deal with the many-many relationship 
are a bunch like this:

Students --> Student-Class <-- Classes

Where students may take several classes and classes may have several 
students, so, we create a details or junction table, containing the FK 
for student and FK for class - giving us one record for each combination 
of student-and-class.  Great!  But, this depends on existing data in 
both the Students table and the Classes table.

Now, I'm dealing with a slightly different case.  I have a table of 
Persons and a table of their Files.  Each Person could have several 
Files, and each File could apply to several Persons.  (As an example, 
one File could be estate planning for a married couple, so the file 
applies to two individuals.)  Clearly, this is a many-many relationship, 
requiring a junction table.

Persons --> Person-File <-- Files

No problem creating a query to display the files pertaining to any one 
person. But, from here, how to create a new File for an existing 
Person?  The Person-File table cannot have a new entry, because it 
requires an existing matching entry in each of the tables, Persons and 
Files.

So, what the heck am I missing?  What am I doing wrong?  Any help 
getting my brain around this is appreciated.

Thanks
TNF

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tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787


From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Wed May  4 14:20:36 2016
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 15:20:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Issues of many-many relationships
In-Reply-To: <e33ef448-82c6-3145-beb6-9e67624edb41@torchlake.com>
References: <e33ef448-82c6-3145-beb6-9e67624edb41@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAu18VdyRXe1cu3wMrsSOhBdwXFrD7W6q5gGmja6gQYo=w@mail.gmail.com>

Tina,

I think you first have to add the File to the tblFile, then you could
associate that file with Person X.
Similarly if there is a new Person, you would add the person to tblPerson
and then associate that Person with a selected File.
Just typing while thinking...
good luck.

On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 3:07 PM, Tina Norris Fields <
tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> This should be easy, I'm sure, and I should know how to do it, but I'm
> having trouble with it.
>
> The examples I regularly find that deal with the many-many relationship
> are a bunch like this:
>
> Students --> Student-Class <-- Classes
>
> Where students may take several classes and classes may have several
> students, so, we create a details or junction table, containing the FK for
> student and FK for class - giving us one record for each combination of
> student-and-class.  Great!  But, this depends on existing data in both the
> Students table and the Classes table.
>
> Now, I'm dealing with a slightly different case.  I have a table of
> Persons and a table of their Files.  Each Person could have several Files,
> and each File could apply to several Persons.  (As an example, one File
> could be estate planning for a married couple, so the file applies to two
> individuals.)  Clearly, this is a many-many relationship, requiring a
> junction table.
>
> Persons --> Person-File <-- Files
>
> No problem creating a query to display the files pertaining to any one
> person. But, from here, how to create a new File for an existing Person?
> The Person-File table cannot have a new entry, because it requires an
> existing matching entry in each of the tables, Persons and Files.
>
> So, what the heck am I missing?  What am I doing wrong?  Any help getting
> my brain around this is appreciated.
>
> Thanks
> TNF
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed May  4 15:10:18 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 13:10:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XLSX
In-Reply-To: <D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA862A589B0@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>
References: <C17EC9D6045845A7BD7488E56240ECC9@HAL9007><CAJLzs_1_TsO3GpYuSnAg04st4_oG242Zd1M2bSxFxcBi=TzOhw@mail.gmail.com><CAJLzs_3+O6rybtnkOV3bvMz2ffPG65PmMKq0ecrmPD7vm-Z3+A@mail.gmail.com><CAJLzs_2_v1f0Gu9V9SEic0hT+nUQq8iSTj3MiQgc_jPTcOzYgQ@mail.gmail.com><CAJLzs_0DsrGyvAnmmcHc7VvcmsYovXBJofB4-eYWj-SZ72fgdw@mail.gmail.com><CAJLzs_2cDuaDrTM0Y00e8MGbYCnv0aVH-HgzsEN07q+a8FEUZQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA862A589B0@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <A7C0BB3D94004BF0BF8C243D04CF9399@HAL9007>

Lambert:

Thanks for your reply.  I'm pretty sure I have the compatibility pack
installed because I can open xlsx files with Excel 2003 but I downloaded and
installed anyway.  However, I still got the 'not in the expected format'
message when using TransferSpreadsheet. 

I have to talk to the client to see if they can provide a .CSV file - that
would work around the problem altogether.

Barring that, perhaps I can open the spreadsheet directly and process it
that way.

Best,

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 11:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XLSX

It's been a while, so I don't exactly remember, but I think that if you
install the MS Office Compatibility Pack, then Access will be able to read
.xlsx files. The SW is available here...

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=3


Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Bill Benson
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 2:06 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XLSX

Automate Excel through Access. If Excel 2007 and higher is your most
recently installed Excel version, that will be used to open the .xlsx file,
then saveas in code paying particular attention to both extension and the
fileformat intrinsic constant for 2003 files, which to Excel is xlExcel8 but
if you use CreateObject instead of setting a reference to Excel, use 56.
Then use Transfer spreadsheet.

If you have most recently installed Excel 2003, then that is what will open
the file, and it will be in Compatibility mode. Likewise do a SaveAs, but I
am not sure there was a FileFormat property back then. If there was, it
likely was not 56, it might have been some number in the 4000's.
On May 4, 2016 11:32 AM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

Dear List:

I'm still using 2003 for development - should probably up to 2010.
However...

I have an app which requires processing data from XL spreadsheets.  My usual
method is to use TransferSpreadsheet into a front end table and process the
records from there.

However, TransferSpreadsheet doesn't seem to like xlsx format. If I save the
file as xls, no problem.

Is there a way to use TransferSpreadsheet on an xlsx file in A2003?

MTIA

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
760-683-5777
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/>
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Wed May  4 15:41:32 2016
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 16:41:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XLSX
In-Reply-To: <A7C0BB3D94004BF0BF8C243D04CF9399@HAL9007>
References: <C17EC9D6045845A7BD7488E56240ECC9@HAL9007>
	<CAJLzs_1_TsO3GpYuSnAg04st4_oG242Zd1M2bSxFxcBi=TzOhw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJLzs_3+O6rybtnkOV3bvMz2ffPG65PmMKq0ecrmPD7vm-Z3+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJLzs_2_v1f0Gu9V9SEic0hT+nUQq8iSTj3MiQgc_jPTcOzYgQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJLzs_0DsrGyvAnmmcHc7VvcmsYovXBJofB4-eYWj-SZ72fgdw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJLzs_2cDuaDrTM0Y00e8MGbYCnv0aVH-HgzsEN07q+a8FEUZQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA862A589B0@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>
	<A7C0BB3D94004BF0BF8C243D04CF9399@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_2PLT6DWXBDnpHgedqCJoPRaxq2qsRoMZN0Eae7UP_Tjg@mail.gmail.com>

In what way did my suggestion not satisfy or not even deserve a thanks but
no thanks Rocky? Payback for my inattention to one of your own replies in
the past?
<g>
On May 4, 2016 4:12 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Lambert:
>
> Thanks for your reply.  I'm pretty sure I have the compatibility pack
> installed because I can open xlsx files with Excel 2003 but I downloaded
> and
> installed anyway.  However, I still got the 'not in the expected format'
> message when using TransferSpreadsheet.
>
> I have to talk to the client to see if they can provide a .CSV file - that
> would work around the problem altogether.
>
> Barring that, perhaps I can open the spreadsheet directly and process it
> that way.
>
> Best,
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Heenan, Lambert
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 11:37 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XLSX
>
> It's been a while, so I don't exactly remember, but I think that if you
> install the MS Office Compatibility Pack, then Access will be able to read
> .xlsx files. The SW is available here...
>
> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=3
>
>
> Lambert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Bill Benson
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 2:06 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XLSX
>
> Automate Excel through Access. If Excel 2007 and higher is your most
> recently installed Excel version, that will be used to open the .xlsx file,
> then saveas in code paying particular attention to both extension and the
> fileformat intrinsic constant for 2003 files, which to Excel is xlExcel8
> but
> if you use CreateObject instead of setting a reference to Excel, use 56.
> Then use Transfer spreadsheet.
>
> If you have most recently installed Excel 2003, then that is what will open
> the file, and it will be in Compatibility mode. Likewise do a SaveAs, but I
> am not sure there was a FileFormat property back then. If there was, it
> likely was not 56, it might have been some number in the 4000's.
> On May 4, 2016 11:32 AM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
>
> Dear List:
>
> I'm still using 2003 for development - should probably up to 2010.
> However...
>
> I have an app which requires processing data from XL spreadsheets.  My
> usual
> method is to use TransferSpreadsheet into a front end table and process the
> records from there.
>
> However, TransferSpreadsheet doesn't seem to like xlsx format. If I save
> the
> file as xls, no problem.
>
> Is there a way to use TransferSpreadsheet on an xlsx file in A2003?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 760-683-5777
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/>
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Wed May  4 15:52:37 2016
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 16:52:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XLSX
In-Reply-To: <A7C0BB3D94004BF0BF8C243D04CF9399@HAL9007>
References: <C17EC9D6045845A7BD7488E56240ECC9@HAL9007><CAJLzs_1_TsO3GpYuSnAg04st4_oG242Zd1M2bSxFxcBi=TzOhw@mail.gmail.com><CAJLzs_3+O6rybtnkOV3bvMz2ffPG65PmMKq0ecrmPD7vm-Z3+A@mail.gmail.com><CAJLzs_2_v1f0Gu9V9SEic0hT+nUQq8iSTj3MiQgc_jPTcOzYgQ@mail.gmail.com><CAJLzs_0DsrGyvAnmmcHc7VvcmsYovXBJofB4-eYWj-SZ72fgdw@mail.gmail.com><CAJLzs_2cDuaDrTM0Y00e8MGbYCnv0aVH-HgzsEN07q+a8FEUZQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA862A589B0@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>
	<A7C0BB3D94004BF0BF8C243D04CF9399@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <009901d1a646$e4bc6b10$ae354130$@net>

Use the CSV format....XLS limited to 65k rows.
You will lose data if you convert from XLSX to XLS with over 65K rows in a
worksheet.
XLSX can hold 1 million rows.
CSV can hold 1 trillion rows.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 4:10 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XLSX
>
> Lambert:
>
> Thanks for your reply.  I'm pretty sure I have the compatibility pack
> installed because I can open xlsx files with Excel 2003 but I
> downloaded and
> installed anyway.  However, I still got the 'not in the expected
> format'
> message when using TransferSpreadsheet.
>
> I have to talk to the client to see if they can provide a .CSV file -
> that
> would work around the problem altogether.
>
> Barring that, perhaps I can open the spreadsheet directly and process
> it
> that way.
>
> Best,
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of
> Heenan, Lambert
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 11:37 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XLSX
>
> It's been a while, so I don't exactly remember, but I think that if you
> install the MS Office Compatibility Pack, then Access will be able to
> read
> .xlsx files. The SW is available here...
>
> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=3
>
>
> Lambert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of
> Bill Benson
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 2:06 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XLSX
>
> Automate Excel through Access. If Excel 2007 and higher is your most
> recently installed Excel version, that will be used to open the .xlsx
> file,
> then saveas in code paying particular attention to both extension and
> the
> fileformat intrinsic constant for 2003 files, which to Excel is
> xlExcel8 but
> if you use CreateObject instead of setting a reference to Excel, use
> 56.
> Then use Transfer spreadsheet.
>
> If you have most recently installed Excel 2003, then that is what will
> open
> the file, and it will be in Compatibility mode. Likewise do a SaveAs,
> but I
> am not sure there was a FileFormat property back then. If there was, it
> likely was not 56, it might have been some number in the 4000's.
> On May 4, 2016 11:32 AM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
>
> Dear List:
>
> I'm still using 2003 for development - should probably up to 2010.
> However...
>
> I have an app which requires processing data from XL spreadsheets.  My
> usual
> method is to use TransferSpreadsheet into a front end table and process
> the
> records from there.
>
> However, TransferSpreadsheet doesn't seem to like xlsx format. If I
> save the
> file as xls, no problem.
>
> Is there a way to use TransferSpreadsheet on an xlsx file in A2003?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 760-683-5777
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/>
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
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From bradm at blackforestltd.com  Wed May  4 16:15:50 2016
From: bradm at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 21:15:50 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Access Application to Record, Organize,
 and Prioritize IT Requests from other Departments
In-Reply-To: <832526796.18798345.1380643351154.JavaMail.root@cds002>
References: <832526796.18798345.1380643351154.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <BN3PR0501MB1250A17053CB9537D591A897CF7B0@BN3PR0501MB1250.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

All,

A friend who works for another small firm (50 employees) recently asked me if I knew of any inexpensive (or free) system that could be used to Record, Organize, and Prioritize IT Requests from other Departments.

I am curious if there is a Microsoft Access template for such use or perhaps a small system that someone else has developed for this purpose.  I have looked at the Access templates but have not found a good fit yet.

Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Brad


From stehicks at pacbell.net  Wed May  4 16:36:57 2016
From: stehicks at pacbell.net (Steve)
Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 14:36:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Issues of many-many relationships
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAu18VdyRXe1cu3wMrsSOhBdwXFrD7W6q5gGmja6gQYo=w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e33ef448-82c6-3145-beb6-9e67624edb41@torchlake.com>
	<CAKvidAu18VdyRXe1cu3wMrsSOhBdwXFrD7W6q5gGmja6gQYo=w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001d1a64d$16335310$4299f930$@pacbell.net>

Tina,

I have attached a diagram (many-to-many.pdf)  that explains what is
needed for many to many relationships. You can add people or files
independently as needed. 

Steve




-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
Of jack drawbridge
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 12:21 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Issues of many-many relationships

Tina,

I think you first have to add the File to the tblFile, then you could
associate that file with Person X.
Similarly if there is a new Person, you would add the person to
tblPerson and then associate that Person with a selected File.
Just typing while thinking...
good luck.

On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 3:07 PM, Tina Norris Fields <
tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> This should be easy, I'm sure, and I should know how to do it, but
I'm 
> having trouble with it.
>
> The examples I regularly find that deal with the many-many 
> relationship are a bunch like this:
>
> Students --> Student-Class <-- Classes
>
> Where students may take several classes and classes may have several

> students, so, we create a details or junction table, containing the
FK 
> for student and FK for class - giving us one record for each 
> combination of student-and-class.  Great!  But, this depends on 
> existing data in both the Students table and the Classes table.
>
> Now, I'm dealing with a slightly different case.  I have a table of 
> Persons and a table of their Files.  Each Person could have several 
> Files, and each File could apply to several Persons.  (As an
example, 
> one File could be estate planning for a married couple, so the file 
> applies to two
> individuals.)  Clearly, this is a many-many relationship, requiring
a 
> junction table.
>
> Persons --> Person-File <-- Files
>
> No problem creating a query to display the files pertaining to any
one 
> person. But, from here, how to create a new File for an existing
Person?
> The Person-File table cannot have a new entry, because it requires
an 
> existing matching entry in each of the tables, Persons and Files.
>
> So, what the heck am I missing?  What am I doing wrong?  Any help 
> getting my brain around this is appreciated.
>
> Thanks
> TNF
>
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>
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed May  4 16:39:28 2016
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 17:39:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XLSX
In-Reply-To: <A7C0BB3D94004BF0BF8C243D04CF9399@HAL9007>
References: <C17EC9D6045845A7BD7488E56240ECC9@HAL9007><CAJLzs_1_TsO3GpYuSnAg04st4_oG242Zd1M2bSxFxcBi=TzOhw@mail.gmail.com><CAJLzs_3+O6rybtnkOV3bvMz2ffPG65PmMKq0ecrmPD7vm-Z3+A@mail.gmail.com><CAJLzs_2_v1f0Gu9V9SEic0hT+nUQq8iSTj3MiQgc_jPTcOzYgQ@mail.gmail.com><CAJLzs_0DsrGyvAnmmcHc7VvcmsYovXBJofB4-eYWj-SZ72fgdw@mail.gmail.com><CAJLzs_2cDuaDrTM0Y00e8MGbYCnv0aVH-HgzsEN07q+a8FEUZQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA862A589B0@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>
	<A7C0BB3D94004BF0BF8C243D04CF9399@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <B4CD85E453EF4C538F65B73FB73870F0@XPS>

<<Barring that, perhaps I can open the spreadsheet directly and process it
that way.>>

 Yes, you could control Excel through automation and read it cell by cell.

 But you can't do it with Access. The compatibility pack does not update the
.DLL's that Access uses.

Jim.

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From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 04:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XLSX

Lambert:

Thanks for your reply.  I'm pretty sure I have the compatibility pack
installed because I can open xlsx files with Excel 2003 but I downloaded and
installed anyway.  However, I still got the 'not in the expected format'
message when using TransferSpreadsheet. 

I have to talk to the client to see if they can provide a .CSV file - that
would work around the problem altogether.

Barring that, perhaps I can open the spreadsheet directly and process it
that way.

Best,

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 11:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XLSX

It's been a while, so I don't exactly remember, but I think that if you
install the MS Office Compatibility Pack, then Access will be able to read
.xlsx files. The SW is available here...

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=3


Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Bill Benson
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 2:06 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XLSX

Automate Excel through Access. If Excel 2007 and higher is your most
recently installed Excel version, that will be used to open the .xlsx file,
then saveas in code paying particular attention to both extension and the
fileformat intrinsic constant for 2003 files, which to Excel is xlExcel8 but
if you use CreateObject instead of setting a reference to Excel, use 56.
Then use Transfer spreadsheet.

If you have most recently installed Excel 2003, then that is what will open
the file, and it will be in Compatibility mode. Likewise do a SaveAs, but I
am not sure there was a FileFormat property back then. If there was, it
likely was not 56, it might have been some number in the 4000's.
On May 4, 2016 11:32 AM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

Dear List:

I'm still using 2003 for development - should probably up to 2010.
However...

I have an app which requires processing data from XL spreadsheets.  My usual
method is to use TransferSpreadsheet into a front end table and process the
records from there.

However, TransferSpreadsheet doesn't seem to like xlsx format. If I save the
file as xls, no problem.

Is there a way to use TransferSpreadsheet on an xlsx file in A2003?

MTIA

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
760-683-5777
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/>
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
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From dbdoug at gmail.com  Wed May  4 16:39:10 2016
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 14:39:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Access Application to Record, Organize,
 and Prioritize IT Requests from other Departments
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A version of project tracking software might be good.  I've read good
reviews of trello.com, which is free for the light version.

Doug

On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 2:15 PM, Brad Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com> wrote:

> All,
>
> A friend who works for another small firm (50 employees) recently asked me
> if I knew of any inexpensive (or free) system that could be used to Record,
> Organize, and Prioritize IT Requests from other Departments.
>
> I am curious if there is a Microsoft Access template for such use or
> perhaps a small system that someone else has developed for this purpose.  I
> have looked at the Access templates but have not found a good fit yet.
>
> Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brad
>
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Wed May  4 17:04:32 2016
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 18:04:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XLSX
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Jim I already suggested Automation and if you simply save the file as XLS
you will not have to read anything cell by cell
On May 4, 2016 5:38 PM, "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

> <<Barring that, perhaps I can open the spreadsheet directly and process it
> that way.>>
>
>  Yes, you could control Excel through automation and read it cell by cell.
>
>  But you can't do it with Access. The compatibility pack does not update
> the
> .DLL's that Access uses.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 04:10 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XLSX
>
> Lambert:
>
> Thanks for your reply.  I'm pretty sure I have the compatibility pack
> installed because I can open xlsx files with Excel 2003 but I downloaded
> and
> installed anyway.  However, I still got the 'not in the expected format'
> message when using TransferSpreadsheet.
>
> I have to talk to the client to see if they can provide a .CSV file - that
> would work around the problem altogether.
>
> Barring that, perhaps I can open the spreadsheet directly and process it
> that way.
>
> Best,
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Heenan, Lambert
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 11:37 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XLSX
>
> It's been a while, so I don't exactly remember, but I think that if you
> install the MS Office Compatibility Pack, then Access will be able to read
> .xlsx files. The SW is available here...
>
> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=3
>
>
> Lambert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Bill Benson
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 2:06 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XLSX
>
> Automate Excel through Access. If Excel 2007 and higher is your most
> recently installed Excel version, that will be used to open the .xlsx file,
> then saveas in code paying particular attention to both extension and the
> fileformat intrinsic constant for 2003 files, which to Excel is xlExcel8
> but
> if you use CreateObject instead of setting a reference to Excel, use 56.
> Then use Transfer spreadsheet.
>
> If you have most recently installed Excel 2003, then that is what will open
> the file, and it will be in Compatibility mode. Likewise do a SaveAs, but I
> am not sure there was a FileFormat property back then. If there was, it
> likely was not 56, it might have been some number in the 4000's.
> On May 4, 2016 11:32 AM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
>
> Dear List:
>
> I'm still using 2003 for development - should probably up to 2010.
> However...
>
> I have an app which requires processing data from XL spreadsheets.  My
> usual
> method is to use TransferSpreadsheet into a front end table and process the
> records from there.
>
> However, TransferSpreadsheet doesn't seem to like xlsx format. If I save
> the
> file as xls, no problem.
>
> Is there a way to use TransferSpreadsheet on an xlsx file in A2003?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 760-683-5777
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/>
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed May  4 17:08:05 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 05 May 2016 08:08:05 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XLSX
In-Reply-To: <009901d1a646$e4bc6b10$ae354130$@net>
References: <C17EC9D6045845A7BD7488E56240ECC9@HAL9007>,
	<A7C0BB3D94004BF0BF8C243D04CF9399@HAL9007>,
	<009901d1a646$e4bc6b10$ae354130$@net>
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CSV files are evil!  Use a Tab delimited format.  :)

-- 
Stuart


On 4 May 2016 at 16:52, Mark Simms wrote:

> Use the CSV format....XLS limited to 65k rows.
> You will lose data if you convert from XLSX to XLS with over 65K rows in a
> worksheet.
> XLSX can hold 1 million rows.
> CSV can hold 1 trillion rows.
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> > Of Rocky Smolin
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 4:10 PM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XLSX
> >
> > Lambert:
> >
> > Thanks for your reply.  I'm pretty sure I have the compatibility pack
> > installed because I can open xlsx files with Excel 2003 but I
> > downloaded and
> > installed anyway.  However, I still got the 'not in the expected
> > format'
> > message when using TransferSpreadsheet.
> >
> > I have to talk to the client to see if they can provide a .CSV file -
> > that
> > would work around the problem altogether.
> >
> > Barring that, perhaps I can open the spreadsheet directly and process
> > it
> > that way.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> > Of
> > Heenan, Lambert
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 11:37 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XLSX
> >
> > It's been a while, so I don't exactly remember, but I think that if you
> > install the MS Office Compatibility Pack, then Access will be able to
> > read
> > .xlsx files. The SW is available here...
> >
> > https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=3
> >
> >
> > Lambert
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> > Of
> > Bill Benson
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 2:06 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XLSX
> >
> > Automate Excel through Access. If Excel 2007 and higher is your most
> > recently installed Excel version, that will be used to open the .xlsx
> > file,
> > then saveas in code paying particular attention to both extension and
> > the
> > fileformat intrinsic constant for 2003 files, which to Excel is
> > xlExcel8 but
> > if you use CreateObject instead of setting a reference to Excel, use
> > 56.
> > Then use Transfer spreadsheet.
> >
> > If you have most recently installed Excel 2003, then that is what will
> > open
> > the file, and it will be in Compatibility mode. Likewise do a SaveAs,
> > but I
> > am not sure there was a FileFormat property back then. If there was, it
> > likely was not 56, it might have been some number in the 4000's.
> > On May 4, 2016 11:32 AM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dear List:
> >
> > I'm still using 2003 for development - should probably up to 2010.
> > However...
> >
> > I have an app which requires processing data from XL spreadsheets.  My
> > usual
> > method is to use TransferSpreadsheet into a front end table and process
> > the
> > records from there.
> >
> > However, TransferSpreadsheet doesn't seem to like xlsx format. If I
> > save the
> > file as xls, no problem.
> >
> > Is there a way to use TransferSpreadsheet on an xlsx file in A2003?
> >
> > MTIA
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> > 760-683-5777
> > www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/>
> > www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> > Skype: rocky.smolin
> >
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Wed May  4 17:09:58 2016
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 18:09:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Issues of many-many relationships
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAu18VdyRXe1cu3wMrsSOhBdwXFrD7W6q5gGmja6gQYo=w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e33ef448-82c6-3145-beb6-9e67624edb41@torchlake.com>
	<CAKvidAu18VdyRXe1cu3wMrsSOhBdwXFrD7W6q5gGmja6gQYo=w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a4bfaf17-3fe0-2573-1510-5af6ea3053bb@torchlake.com>

Yes, that's been my experience.  But, I want to be able to create a new 
file to be associated with that person, and that isn't working because 
the intermediate table requires a matching entry in the primary table.

TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 05/04/16 3:20 PM, jack drawbridge wrote:
> Tina,
>
> I think you first have to add the File to the tblFile, then you could
> associate that file with Person X.
> Similarly if there is a new Person, you would add the person to tblPerson
> and then associate that Person with a selected File.
> Just typing while thinking...
> good luck.
>
> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 3:07 PM, Tina Norris Fields <
> tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> This should be easy, I'm sure, and I should know how to do it, but I'm
>> having trouble with it.
>>
>> The examples I regularly find that deal with the many-many relationship
>> are a bunch like this:
>>
>> Students --> Student-Class <-- Classes
>>
>> Where students may take several classes and classes may have several
>> students, so, we create a details or junction table, containing the FK for
>> student and FK for class - giving us one record for each combination of
>> student-and-class.  Great!  But, this depends on existing data in both the
>> Students table and the Classes table.
>>
>> Now, I'm dealing with a slightly different case.  I have a table of
>> Persons and a table of their Files.  Each Person could have several Files,
>> and each File could apply to several Persons.  (As an example, one File
>> could be estate planning for a married couple, so the file applies to two
>> individuals.)  Clearly, this is a many-many relationship, requiring a
>> junction table.
>>
>> Persons --> Person-File <-- Files
>>
>> No problem creating a query to display the files pertaining to any one
>> person. But, from here, how to create a new File for an existing Person?
>> The Person-File table cannot have a new entry, because it requires an
>> existing matching entry in each of the tables, Persons and Files.
>>
>> So, what the heck am I missing?  What am I doing wrong?  Any help getting
>> my brain around this is appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks
>> TNF
>>
>> --
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
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>>


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed May  4 17:18:14 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 05 May 2016 08:18:14 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Issues of many-many relationships
In-Reply-To: <a4bfaf17-3fe0-2573-1510-5af6ea3053bb@torchlake.com>
References: <e33ef448-82c6-3145-beb6-9e67624edb41@torchlake.com>,
	<CAKvidAu18VdyRXe1cu3wMrsSOhBdwXFrD7W6q5gGmja6gQYo=w@mail.gmail.com>,
	<a4bfaf17-3fe0-2573-1510-5af6ea3053bb@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <572A7526.29312.4125D56D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

You need to do it in two steps:
1. Create the new file
2. Associate it with the person.

Write a simple VBA function to do it. 

On 4 May 2016 at 18:09, Tina Norris Fields wrote:

> Yes, that's been my experience.  But, I want to be able to create a new 
> file to be associated with that person, and that isn't working because 
> the intermediate table requires a matching entry in the primary table.
> 
> TNF
> 
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
> 
> On 05/04/16 3:20 PM, jack drawbridge wrote:
> > Tina,
> >
> > I think you first have to add the File to the tblFile, then you could
> > associate that file with Person X.
> > Similarly if there is a new Person, you would add the person to tblPerson
> > and then associate that Person with a selected File.
> > Just typing while thinking...
> > good luck.
> >
> > On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 3:07 PM, Tina Norris Fields <
> > tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> This should be easy, I'm sure, and I should know how to do it, but I'm
> >> having trouble with it.
> >>
> >> The examples I regularly find that deal with the many-many relationship
> >> are a bunch like this:
> >>
> >> Students --> Student-Class <-- Classes
> >>
> >> Where students may take several classes and classes may have several
> >> students, so, we create a details or junction table, containing the FK for
> >> student and FK for class - giving us one record for each combination of
> >> student-and-class.  Great!  But, this depends on existing data in both the
> >> Students table and the Classes table.
> >>
> >> Now, I'm dealing with a slightly different case.  I have a table of
> >> Persons and a table of their Files.  Each Person could have several Files,
> >> and each File could apply to several Persons.  (As an example, one File
> >> could be estate planning for a married couple, so the file applies to two
> >> individuals.)  Clearly, this is a many-many relationship, requiring a
> >> junction table.
> >>
> >> Persons --> Person-File <-- Files
> >>
> >> No problem creating a query to display the files pertaining to any one
> >> person. But, from here, how to create a new File for an existing Person?
> >> The Person-File table cannot have a new entry, because it requires an
> >> existing matching entry in each of the tables, Persons and Files.
> >>
> >> So, what the heck am I missing?  What am I doing wrong?  Any help getting
> >> my brain around this is appreciated.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> TNF
> >>
> >> --
> >> Tina Norris Fields
> >> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> >> 231-322-2787
> >>
> >> --
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From DMcGillivray at ctc.ca.gov  Wed May  4 18:08:46 2016
From: DMcGillivray at ctc.ca.gov (McGillivray, Don)
Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 23:08:46 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Issues of many-many relationships
In-Reply-To: <a4bfaf17-3fe0-2573-1510-5af6ea3053bb@torchlake.com>
References: <e33ef448-82c6-3145-beb6-9e67624edb41@torchlake.com>
	<CAKvidAu18VdyRXe1cu3wMrsSOhBdwXFrD7W6q5gGmja6gQYo=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<a4bfaf17-3fe0-2573-1510-5af6ea3053bb@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <E48E6D791ED38E4BA54107C70270424741A5ABE5@hqex01.ctc.ca.gov>

Hi Tina,

I generally think of many-to-many relationships as being defined by circumstance.  That is, the records on either side of the junction exist independently of each other and are caused to relate to each other depending on a specific condition.  To take your example of the class and students, the classes and students exist independently of each other and are related only through the condition of a student choosing to be enrolled in the class.

The problem you're trying to solve is different, in that, presumably, a file does not exist except in relation to a specific person or persons.  It's not just a generic entity sitting out there waiting to be joined to one or more persons by virtue of some heretofore unforeseen circumstance.  (Unless I misunderstand your problem.)

So, perhaps the file record can be created as the direct child of a primary person record, and then shared with one or more other persons using the many-to-many junction.  Or maybe the person records are related to a common parent record (family, couple, group, etc.) and the file record is related to the parent record instead of individual person records.

Maybe these thoughts will inspire you toward another more effective solution.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 3:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Issues of many-many relationships

Yes, that's been my experience.  But, I want to be able to create a new file to be associated with that person, and that isn't working because the intermediate table requires a matching entry in the primary table.

TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 05/04/16 3:20 PM, jack drawbridge wrote:
> Tina,
>
> I think you first have to add the File to the tblFile, then you could 
> associate that file with Person X.
> Similarly if there is a new Person, you would add the person to 
> tblPerson and then associate that Person with a selected File.
> Just typing while thinking...
> good luck.
>
> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 3:07 PM, Tina Norris Fields < 
> tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> This should be easy, I'm sure, and I should know how to do it, but 
>> I'm having trouble with it.
>>
>> The examples I regularly find that deal with the many-many 
>> relationship are a bunch like this:
>>
>> Students --> Student-Class <-- Classes
>>
>> Where students may take several classes and classes may have several 
>> students, so, we create a details or junction table, containing the 
>> FK for student and FK for class - giving us one record for each 
>> combination of student-and-class.  Great!  But, this depends on 
>> existing data in both the Students table and the Classes table.
>>
>> Now, I'm dealing with a slightly different case.  I have a table of 
>> Persons and a table of their Files.  Each Person could have several 
>> Files, and each File could apply to several Persons.  (As an example, 
>> one File could be estate planning for a married couple, so the file 
>> applies to two
>> individuals.)  Clearly, this is a many-many relationship, requiring a 
>> junction table.
>>
>> Persons --> Person-File <-- Files
>>
>> No problem creating a query to display the files pertaining to any 
>> one person. But, from here, how to create a new File for an existing Person?
>> The Person-File table cannot have a new entry, because it requires an 
>> existing matching entry in each of the tables, Persons and Files.
>>
>> So, what the heck am I missing?  What am I doing wrong?  Any help 
>> getting my brain around this is appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks
>> TNF
>>
>> --
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
>> --
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>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>

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From jbodin at sbor.com  Wed May  4 19:03:20 2016
From: jbodin at sbor.com (John Bodin)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 00:03:20 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Access Application to Record, Organize,
 and Prioritize IT Requests from other Departments
In-Reply-To: <BN3PR0501MB1250A17053CB9537D591A897CF7B0@BN3PR0501MB1250.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <832526796.18798345.1380643351154.JavaMail.root@cds002>
	<BN3PR0501MB1250A17053CB9537D591A897CF7B0@BN3PR0501MB1250.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CY1PR0401MB102088A7088B5F39589AB032BD7C0@CY1PR0401MB1020.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Brad, if you are talking along the lines of a help desk, can't beat Spiceworks for that.  Free and full featured and always evolving.  Assign tickets, create sub-tickets, track time and billable rates, auto-responses, front-end for people to track their own tickets, document reference site, etc.  Also, if you have multiple sites, you can install Spiceworks everywhere and make them data collection sites.  They will roll up requests into the master site, wherever that is located.  New full web-based out now as well as on-premises install that has a lot of other features.  If you are talking more along the lines of  project management, you might take a look at Asana.  Free to try but not sure how much they grab you for per user after that.

Good luck,

John

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 5:16 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Access Application to Record, Organize, and Prioritize IT Requests from other Departments

All,

A friend who works for another small firm (50 employees) recently asked me if I knew of any inexpensive (or free) system that could be used to Record, Organize, and Prioritize IT Requests from other Departments.

I am curious if there is a Microsoft Access template for such use or perhaps a small system that someone else has developed for this purpose.  I have looked at the Access templates but have not found a good fit yet.

Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Brad

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed May  4 20:32:38 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 18:32:38 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XLSX
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_2PLT6DWXBDnpHgedqCJoPRaxq2qsRoMZN0Eae7UP_Tjg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C17EC9D6045845A7BD7488E56240ECC9@HAL9007><CAJLzs_1_TsO3GpYuSnAg04st4_oG242Zd1M2bSxFxcBi=TzOhw@mail.gmail.com><CAJLzs_3+O6rybtnkOV3bvMz2ffPG65PmMKq0ecrmPD7vm-Z3+A@mail.gmail.com><CAJLzs_2_v1f0Gu9V9SEic0hT+nUQq8iSTj3MiQgc_jPTcOzYgQ@mail.gmail.com><CAJLzs_0DsrGyvAnmmcHc7VvcmsYovXBJofB4-eYWj-SZ72fgdw@mail.gmail.com><CAJLzs_2cDuaDrTM0Y00e8MGbYCnv0aVH-HgzsEN07q+a8FEUZQ@mail.gmail.com><D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA862A589B0@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net><A7C0BB3D94004BF0BF8C243D04CF9399@HAL9007>
	<CAJLzs_2PLT6DWXBDnpHgedqCJoPRaxq2qsRoMZN0Eae7UP_Tjg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <65AF64093A834C8EBAF28FBB92B58F8A@HAL9007>

Sorry Bill.  No offense intended. Life is a bit crazy now - moved twice in
the last three months.  But not an excuse to overlook acknowledging your
post.

r
 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Bill Benson
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 1:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XLSX

In what way did my suggestion not satisfy or not even deserve a thanks but
no thanks Rocky? Payback for my inattention to one of your own replies in
the past?
<g>
On May 4, 2016 4:12 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Lambert:
>
> Thanks for your reply.  I'm pretty sure I have the compatibility pack 
> installed because I can open xlsx files with Excel 2003 but I 
> downloaded and installed anyway.  However, I still got the 'not in the 
> expected format'
> message when using TransferSpreadsheet.
>
> I have to talk to the client to see if they can provide a .CSV file - 
> that would work around the problem altogether.
>
> Barring that, perhaps I can open the spreadsheet directly and process 
> it that way.
>
> Best,
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Heenan, Lambert
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 11:37 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XLSX
>
> It's been a while, so I don't exactly remember, but I think that if 
> you install the MS Office Compatibility Pack, then Access will be able 
> to read .xlsx files. The SW is available here...
>
> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=3
>
>
> Lambert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Bill Benson
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 2:06 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XLSX
>
> Automate Excel through Access. If Excel 2007 and higher is your most 
> recently installed Excel version, that will be used to open the .xlsx 
> file, then saveas in code paying particular attention to both 
> extension and the fileformat intrinsic constant for 2003 files, which 
> to Excel is xlExcel8 but if you use CreateObject instead of setting a 
> reference to Excel, use 56.
> Then use Transfer spreadsheet.
>
> If you have most recently installed Excel 2003, then that is what will 
> open the file, and it will be in Compatibility mode. Likewise do a 
> SaveAs, but I am not sure there was a FileFormat property back then. 
> If there was, it likely was not 56, it might have been some number in the
4000's.
> On May 4, 2016 11:32 AM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
>
> Dear List:
>
> I'm still using 2003 for development - should probably up to 2010.
> However...
>
> I have an app which requires processing data from XL spreadsheets.  My 
> usual method is to use TransferSpreadsheet into a front end table and 
> process the records from there.
>
> However, TransferSpreadsheet doesn't seem to like xlsx format. If I 
> save the file as xls, no problem.
>
> Is there a way to use TransferSpreadsheet on an xlsx file in A2003?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 760-683-5777
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com 
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
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From kost36 at otenet.gr  Thu May  5 02:46:11 2016
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 10:46:11 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] select top and limit...
Message-ID: <01c701d1a6a2$32f27bc0$98d77340$@otenet.gr>

Hi all,
I uae "LIMIT 10" in mysql query but what I really need is get also all the
equal values with the 10th record
I know that ms access do it by default with "select top" but I can't  make
it to work in mysql
Could you please help?

Thank's
/kostas


From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Thu May  5 03:06:40 2016
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 09:06:40 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] select top and limit...
In-Reply-To: <01c701d1a6a2$32f27bc0$98d77340$@otenet.gr>
References: <01c701d1a6a2$32f27bc0$98d77340$@otenet.gr>
Message-ID: <CALGJE94ZiP2_sCjZfmVuyFEUr6O46Hw+sKGxx_P00pGP4-jt5g@mail.gmail.com>

never used mysql and know nothing about this limit 10 (although just
quickly looked it up), but if the values in the query you are setting the
limit on are ascending, could you not use the limit 10 as a sub query like
below...off top of head something like below and assuming the table/query
has some sort of unique identifier on

SELECT *
FROM [yourtableorqueryhere] AS A
INNER JOIN
    (
        SELECT UniqueID, MAX([yourvaluefieldhere]) AS GetRecords
    ) AS B
ON
    A.UniqueID = B.UniqueID
OR
    A.[yourvaluefieldhere] <= B.GetRecords




On 5 May 2016 at 08:46, Kostas Konstantinidis <kost36 at otenet.gr> wrote:

> Hi all,
> I uae "LIMIT 10" in mysql query but what I really need is get also all the
> equal values with the 10th record
> I know that ms access do it by default with "select top" but I can't  make
> it to work in mysql
> Could you please help?
>
> Thank's
> /kostas
>
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From kost36 at otenet.gr  Thu May  5 03:25:19 2016
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 11:25:19 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] select top and limit...
In-Reply-To: <CALGJE94ZiP2_sCjZfmVuyFEUr6O46Hw+sKGxx_P00pGP4-jt5g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <01c701d1a6a2$32f27bc0$98d77340$@otenet.gr>
	<CALGJE94ZiP2_sCjZfmVuyFEUr6O46Hw+sKGxx_P00pGP4-jt5g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01cc01d1a6a7$aa545da0$fefd18e0$@otenet.gr>

Hi Paul thank's for your reply
This is the query which works but it doesn't return the equal values  with
the  10th record

    SELECT 
        `T_people`.`person` AS `person`,
        COUNT(`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_films`) AS `CountOfID_films`
    FROM
        ((`MT_films`
        JOIN `ST_peoplefilms` ON ((`MT_films`.`ID_films` =
`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_films`)))
        JOIN `T_people` ON ((`T_people`.`ID_person` =
`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_person`)))
    GROUP BY `T_people`.`person` , `T_people`.`man` ,
`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` , `MT_films`.`kind_movie`
    HAVING ((`T_people`.`man` = 1)
        AND (`MT_films`.`kind_movie` = '?.?')
        AND ((`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` = 2)
        OR (`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` = 13)
        OR (`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` = 40)
        OR (`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` = 44)
        OR (`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` = 45)))
    ORDER BY COUNT(`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_films`) DESC
    LIMIT 10

-----Original Message-----
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Paul Hartland
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 11:07 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] select top and limit...

never used mysql and know nothing about this limit 10 (although just quickly
looked it up), but if the values in the query you are setting the limit on
are ascending, could you not use the limit 10 as a sub query like
below...off top of head something like below and assuming the table/query
has some sort of unique identifier on

SELECT *
FROM [yourtableorqueryhere] AS A
INNER JOIN
    (
        SELECT UniqueID, MAX([yourvaluefieldhere]) AS GetRecords
    ) AS B
ON
    A.UniqueID = B.UniqueID
OR
    A.[yourvaluefieldhere] <= B.GetRecords




On 5 May 2016 at 08:46, Kostas Konstantinidis <kost36 at otenet.gr> wrote:

> Hi all,
> I uae "LIMIT 10" in mysql query but what I really need is get also all 
> the equal values with the 10th record I know that ms access do it by 
> default with "select top" but I can't  make it to work in mysql Could 
> you please help?
>
> Thank's
> /kostas
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu May  5 05:08:16 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 05 May 2016 20:08:16 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] select top and limit...
In-Reply-To: <01cc01d1a6a7$aa545da0$fefd18e0$@otenet.gr>
References: <01c701d1a6a2$32f27bc0$98d77340$@otenet.gr>,
	<CALGJE94ZiP2_sCjZfmVuyFEUr6O46Hw+sKGxx_P00pGP4-jt5g@mail.gmail.com>,
	<01cc01d1a6a7$aa545da0$fefd18e0$@otenet.gr>
Message-ID: <572B1B90.11576.43AFE830@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

About the only way that I can see it would be
a UNION to a second query which return all the records matching the last.
Something like: 

Select <currentquery>  LIMIT 9
UNION
Select <currentquery>. 
where CountOfID_films IN  
<Select COuntofID_Films with currentQuery> LIMIT 10,1


On 5 May 2016 at 11:25, Kostas Konstantinidis wrote:

> Hi Paul thank's for your reply
> This is the query which works but it doesn't return the equal values 
> with the  10th record
> 
>     SELECT 
>         `T_people`.`person` AS `person`,
>         COUNT(`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_films`) AS `CountOfID_films`
>     FROM
>         ((`MT_films`
>         JOIN `ST_peoplefilms` ON ((`MT_films`.`ID_films` =
> `ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_films`)))
>         JOIN `T_people` ON ((`T_people`.`ID_person` =
> `ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_person`)))
>     GROUP BY `T_people`.`person` , `T_people`.`man` ,
> `ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` , `MT_films`.`kind_movie`
>     HAVING ((`T_people`.`man` = 1)
>         AND (`MT_films`.`kind_movie` = '.')
>         AND ((`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` = 2)
>         OR (`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` = 13)
>         OR (`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` = 40)
>         OR (`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` = 44)
>         OR (`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` = 45)))
>     ORDER BY COUNT(`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_films`) DESC
>     LIMIT 10
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Paul Hartland Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 11:07 AM To: Access
> Developers discussion and problem solving
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Subject: Re: [AccessD] select top and
> limit...
> 
> never used mysql and know nothing about this limit 10 (although just
> quickly looked it up), but if the values in the query you are setting
> the limit on are ascending, could you not use the limit 10 as a sub
> query like below...off top of head something like below and assuming
> the table/query has some sort of unique identifier on
> 
> SELECT *
> FROM [yourtableorqueryhere] AS A
> INNER JOIN
>     (
>         SELECT UniqueID, MAX([yourvaluefieldhere]) AS GetRecords
>     ) AS B
> ON
>     A.UniqueID = B.UniqueID
> OR
>     A.[yourvaluefieldhere] <= B.GetRecords
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 5 May 2016 at 08:46, Kostas Konstantinidis <kost36 at otenet.gr>
> wrote:
> 
> > Hi all,
> > I uae "LIMIT 10" in mysql query but what I really need is get also
> > all the equal values with the 10th record I know that ms access do
> > it by default with "select top" but I can't  make it to work in
> > mysql Could you please help?
> >
> > Thank's
> > /kostas
> >
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> >
> 
> 
> 
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From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Thu May  5 05:17:39 2016
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 11:17:39 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] select top and limit...
In-Reply-To: <CALGJE94dLLr9SOQNnFt+8gV3hFnQSSQ9H5WRPxw0zYmZaqwD8w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <01c701d1a6a2$32f27bc0$98d77340$@otenet.gr>
	<CALGJE94ZiP2_sCjZfmVuyFEUr6O46Hw+sKGxx_P00pGP4-jt5g@mail.gmail.com>
	<01cc01d1a6a7$aa545da0$fefd18e0$@otenet.gr>
	<572B1B90.11576.43AFE830@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CALGJE96-_ATatXk2qAqmW5gGkkpoa3XL0HgfSJ4iWL6-Fck6Mw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALGJE94dLLr9SOQNnFt+8gV3hFnQSSQ9H5WRPxw0zYmZaqwD8w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALGJE97RDM3kZYVHy0n-agTrYCV8rm5WxwuhCPHgFOWyFsRPHA@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry, but without knowing too much about MySQL and not seeing returned
results against example of what you expect not sure I can be of much more
assistence, I am sure someone will be able to help, I now also realise I
may need to start investigating MySQL
On 5 May 2016 11:10, "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:

About the only way that I can see it would be
a UNION to a second query which return all the records matching the last.
Something like:

Select <currentquery>  LIMIT 9
UNION
Select <currentquery>.
where CountOfID_films IN
<Select COuntofID_Films with currentQuery> LIMIT 10,1


On 5 May 2016 at 11:25, Kostas Konstantinidis wrote:

> Hi Paul thank's for your reply
> This is the query which works but it doesn't return the equal values
> with the  10th record
>
>     SELECT
>         `T_people`.`person` AS `person`,
>         COUNT(`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_films`) AS `CountOfID_films`
>     FROM
>         ((`MT_films`
>         JOIN `ST_peoplefilms` ON ((`MT_films`.`ID_films` =
> `ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_films`)))
>         JOIN `T_people` ON ((`T_people`.`ID_person` =
> `ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_person`)))
>     GROUP BY `T_people`.`person` , `T_people`.`man` ,
> `ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` , `MT_films`.`kind_movie`
>     HAVING ((`T_people`.`man` = 1)
>         AND (`MT_films`.`kind_movie` = '.')
>         AND ((`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` = 2)
>         OR (`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` = 13)
>         OR (`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` = 40)
>         OR (`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` = 44)
>         OR (`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` = 45)))
>     ORDER BY COUNT(`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_films`) DESC
>     LIMIT 10
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Paul Hartland Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 11:07 AM To: Access
> Developers discussion and problem solving
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Subject: Re: [AccessD] select top and
> limit...
>
> never used mysql and know nothing about this limit 10 (although just
> quickly looked it up), but if the values in the query you are setting
> the limit on are ascending, could you not use the limit 10 as a sub
> query like below...off top of head something like below and assuming
> the table/query has some sort of unique identifier on
>
> SELECT *
> FROM [yourtableorqueryhere] AS A
> INNER JOIN
>     (
>         SELECT UniqueID, MAX([yourvaluefieldhere]) AS GetRecords
>     ) AS B
> ON
>     A.UniqueID = B.UniqueID
> OR
>     A.[yourvaluefieldhere] <= B.GetRecords
>
>
>
>
> On 5 May 2016 at 08:46, Kostas Konstantinidis <kost36 at otenet.gr>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> > I uae "LIMIT 10" in mysql query but what I really need is get also
> > all the equal values with the 10th record I know that ms access do
> > it by default with "select top" but I can't  make it to work in
> > mysql Could you please help?
> >
> > Thank's
> > /kostas
> >
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> >
>
>
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu May  5 05:31:34 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 05 May 2016 20:31:34 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] select top and limit...
In-Reply-To: <572B1B90.11576.43AFE830@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <01c701d1a6a2$32f27bc0$98d77340$@otenet.gr>,
	<01cc01d1a6a7$aa545da0$fefd18e0$@otenet.gr>,
	<572B1B90.11576.43AFE830@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <572B2106.10871.43C53CB5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Another thought:

Select <current query> where CountofID_Films >=
(Select CountofID_Fims from <current query> LIMIT 10,1)

On 5 May 2016 at 20:08, Stuart McLachlan wrote:

> About the only way that I can see it would be
> a UNION to a second query which return all the records matching the
> last. Something like: 
> 
> Select <currentquery>  LIMIT 9
> UNION
> Select <currentquery>. 
> where CountOfID_films IN  
> <Select COuntofID_Films with currentQuery> LIMIT 10,1
> 
> 
> On 5 May 2016 at 11:25, Kostas Konstantinidis wrote:
> 
> > Hi Paul thank's for your reply
> > This is the query which works but it doesn't return the equal values
> > with the  10th record
> > 
> >     SELECT 
> >         `T_people`.`person` AS `person`,
> >         COUNT(`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_films`) AS `CountOfID_films`
> >     FROM
> >         ((`MT_films`
> >         JOIN `ST_peoplefilms` ON ((`MT_films`.`ID_films` =
> > `ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_films`)))
> >         JOIN `T_people` ON ((`T_people`.`ID_person` =
> > `ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_person`)))
> >     GROUP BY `T_people`.`person` , `T_people`.`man` ,
> > `ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` , `MT_films`.`kind_movie`
> >     HAVING ((`T_people`.`man` = 1)
> >         AND (`MT_films`.`kind_movie` = '.')
> >         AND ((`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` = 2)
> >         OR (`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` = 13)
> >         OR (`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` = 40)
> >         OR (`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` = 44)
> >         OR (`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` = 45)))
> >     ORDER BY COUNT(`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_films`) DESC
> >     LIMIT 10
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> > Behalf Of Paul Hartland Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 11:07 AM To:
> > Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Subject: Re: [AccessD] select top and
> > limit...
> > 
> > never used mysql and know nothing about this limit 10 (although just
> > quickly looked it up), but if the values in the query you are
> > setting the limit on are ascending, could you not use the limit 10
> > as a sub query like below...off top of head something like below and
> > assuming the table/query has some sort of unique identifier on
> > 
> > SELECT *
> > FROM [yourtableorqueryhere] AS A
> > INNER JOIN
> >     (
> >         SELECT UniqueID, MAX([yourvaluefieldhere]) AS GetRecords
> >     ) AS B
> > ON
> >     A.UniqueID = B.UniqueID
> > OR
> >     A.[yourvaluefieldhere] <= B.GetRecords
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 5 May 2016 at 08:46, Kostas Konstantinidis <kost36 at otenet.gr>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi all,
> > > I uae "LIMIT 10" in mysql query but what I really need is get also
> > > all the equal values with the 10th record I know that ms access do
> > > it by default with "select top" but I can't  make it to work in
> > > mysql Could you please help?
> > >
> > > Thank's
> > > /kostas
> > >
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> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Thu May  5 06:06:51 2016
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 07:06:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] select top and limit...
In-Reply-To: <572B2106.10871.43C53CB5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <01c701d1a6a2$32f27bc0$98d77340$@otenet.gr>
	<01cc01d1a6a7$aa545da0$fefd18e0$@otenet.gr>
	<572B1B90.11576.43AFE830@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<572B2106.10871.43C53CB5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAtufYCDP=NAg-k2qkWMoNS_tsUmpbYmX4SUmnK78BN+DA@mail.gmail.com>

There is a sample (found via Google and *not*  tested by me) of MySQL
ranking query with ties at
http://fellowtuts.com/mysql/query-to-obtain-rank-function-in-mysql/

Hope it is useful.

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 6:31 AM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
wrote:

> Another thought:
>
> Select <current query> where CountofID_Films >=
> (Select CountofID_Fims from <current query> LIMIT 10,1)
>
> On 5 May 2016 at 20:08, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
>
> > About the only way that I can see it would be
> > a UNION to a second query which return all the records matching the
> > last. Something like:
> >
> > Select <currentquery>  LIMIT 9
> > UNION
> > Select <currentquery>.
> > where CountOfID_films IN
> > <Select COuntofID_Films with currentQuery> LIMIT 10,1
> >
> >
> > On 5 May 2016 at 11:25, Kostas Konstantinidis wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Paul thank's for your reply
> > > This is the query which works but it doesn't return the equal values
> > > with the  10th record
> > >
> > >     SELECT
> > >         `T_people`.`person` AS `person`,
> > >         COUNT(`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_films`) AS `CountOfID_films`
> > >     FROM
> > >         ((`MT_films`
> > >         JOIN `ST_peoplefilms` ON ((`MT_films`.`ID_films` =
> > > `ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_films`)))
> > >         JOIN `T_people` ON ((`T_people`.`ID_person` =
> > > `ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_person`)))
> > >     GROUP BY `T_people`.`person` , `T_people`.`man` ,
> > > `ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` , `MT_films`.`kind_movie`
> > >     HAVING ((`T_people`.`man` = 1)
> > >         AND (`MT_films`.`kind_movie` = '.')
> > >         AND ((`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` = 2)
> > >         OR (`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` = 13)
> > >         OR (`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` = 40)
> > >         OR (`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` = 44)
> > >         OR (`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` = 45)))
> > >     ORDER BY COUNT(`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_films`) DESC
> > >     LIMIT 10
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> > > Behalf Of Paul Hartland Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 11:07 AM To:
> > > Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Subject: Re: [AccessD] select top and
> > > limit...
> > >
> > > never used mysql and know nothing about this limit 10 (although just
> > > quickly looked it up), but if the values in the query you are
> > > setting the limit on are ascending, could you not use the limit 10
> > > as a sub query like below...off top of head something like below and
> > > assuming the table/query has some sort of unique identifier on
> > >
> > > SELECT *
> > > FROM [yourtableorqueryhere] AS A
> > > INNER JOIN
> > >     (
> > >         SELECT UniqueID, MAX([yourvaluefieldhere]) AS GetRecords
> > >     ) AS B
> > > ON
> > >     A.UniqueID = B.UniqueID
> > > OR
> > >     A.[yourvaluefieldhere] <= B.GetRecords
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 5 May 2016 at 08:46, Kostas Konstantinidis <kost36 at otenet.gr>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > > I uae "LIMIT 10" in mysql query but what I really need is get also
> > > > all the equal values with the 10th record I know that ms access do
> > > > it by default with "select top" but I can't  make it to work in
> > > > mysql Could you please help?
> > > >
> > > > Thank's
> > > > /kostas
> > > >
> > > > --
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> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Paul Hartland
> > > paul.hartland at googlemail.com
> > > --
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> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu May  5 07:16:31 2016
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 08:16:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Issues of many-many relationships
In-Reply-To: <572A7526.29312.4125D56D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <e33ef448-82c6-3145-beb6-9e67624edb41@torchlake.com>
	<CAKvidAu18VdyRXe1cu3wMrsSOhBdwXFrD7W6q5gGmja6gQYo=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<a4bfaf17-3fe0-2573-1510-5af6ea3053bb@torchlake.com>
	<572A7526.29312.4125D56D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <08d0272c-8dea-f485-b109-b7c08e06de97@torchlake.com>

Stuart,

Yes, that is what I've seen so far, but, I'm failing to see how to do 
that in a way that will not inconvenience the clerical person who will 
actually be doing the data entry.  I've somehow been really dense as I 
look at this puzzle.

TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 05/04/16 6:18 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> You need to do it in two steps:
> 1. Create the new file
> 2. Associate it with the person.
>
> Write a simple VBA function to do it.
>
> On 4 May 2016 at 18:09, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>
>> Yes, that's been my experience.  But, I want to be able to create a new
>> file to be associated with that person, and that isn't working because
>> the intermediate table requires a matching entry in the primary table.
>>
>> TNF
>>
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
>> On 05/04/16 3:20 PM, jack drawbridge wrote:
>>> Tina,
>>>
>>> I think you first have to add the File to the tblFile, then you could
>>> associate that file with Person X.
>>> Similarly if there is a new Person, you would add the person to tblPerson
>>> and then associate that Person with a selected File.
>>> Just typing while thinking...
>>> good luck.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 3:07 PM, Tina Norris Fields <
>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> This should be easy, I'm sure, and I should know how to do it, but I'm
>>>> having trouble with it.
>>>>
>>>> The examples I regularly find that deal with the many-many relationship
>>>> are a bunch like this:
>>>>
>>>> Students --> Student-Class <-- Classes
>>>>
>>>> Where students may take several classes and classes may have several
>>>> students, so, we create a details or junction table, containing the FK for
>>>> student and FK for class - giving us one record for each combination of
>>>> student-and-class.  Great!  But, this depends on existing data in both the
>>>> Students table and the Classes table.
>>>>
>>>> Now, I'm dealing with a slightly different case.  I have a table of
>>>> Persons and a table of their Files.  Each Person could have several Files,
>>>> and each File could apply to several Persons.  (As an example, one File
>>>> could be estate planning for a married couple, so the file applies to two
>>>> individuals.)  Clearly, this is a many-many relationship, requiring a
>>>> junction table.
>>>>
>>>> Persons --> Person-File <-- Files
>>>>
>>>> No problem creating a query to display the files pertaining to any one
>>>> person. But, from here, how to create a new File for an existing Person?
>>>> The Person-File table cannot have a new entry, because it requires an
>>>> existing matching entry in each of the tables, Persons and Files.
>>>>
>>>> So, what the heck am I missing?  What am I doing wrong?  Any help getting
>>>> my brain around this is appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> TNF
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>>>> 231-322-2787
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> AccessD mailing list
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>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>
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>>
>


From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Thu May  5 07:23:35 2016
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 12:23:35 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT Excel
Message-ID: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC79C1BD8C@EX2K10-MBX6.ads.qub.ac.uk>

As a last resort

We export 2 feels from our Oracle student system and import them into CRM. 

Our code tells us the files are Excel 1996 and we need a later version. Of course our Oracle people tell us they are not 1996.

Is there anything that can with 100% accuracy identify the correct version of the source files in terms of Excel version?

Martin


From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Thu May  5 07:27:21 2016
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 12:27:21 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT Excel
In-Reply-To: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC79C1BD8C@EX2K10-MBX6.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC79C1BD8C@EX2K10-MBX6.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC79C1BDF3@EX2K10-MBX6.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Files not feels!!!!!!!!!!

Some things never change like my spelling!!

Martin

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: 05 May 2016 13:24
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] OT Excel

As a last resort

We export 2 feels from our Oracle student system and import them into CRM. 

Our code tells us the files are Excel 1996 and we need a later version. Of course our Oracle people tell us they are not 1996.

Is there anything that can with 100% accuracy identify the correct version of the source files in terms of Excel version?

Martin

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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu May  5 07:29:48 2016
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 08:29:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Issues of many-many relationships
In-Reply-To: <E48E6D791ED38E4BA54107C70270424741A5ABE5@hqex01.ctc.ca.gov>
References: <e33ef448-82c6-3145-beb6-9e67624edb41@torchlake.com>
	<CAKvidAu18VdyRXe1cu3wMrsSOhBdwXFrD7W6q5gGmja6gQYo=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<a4bfaf17-3fe0-2573-1510-5af6ea3053bb@torchlake.com>
	<E48E6D791ED38E4BA54107C70270424741A5ABE5@hqex01.ctc.ca.gov>
Message-ID: <22323e66-fe83-61a8-d4a9-39d8dad81a36@torchlake.com>

Don,

You have understood the matter correctly.  It is precisely because the 
files are not independent entities that I am hitting a wall.

To check that I am understanding your suggestion - are you saying that 
each file would have a principal person as part of its definition?  
That's, of course, what I'd do if there were a one-to-many relationship 
of Person-to-File.  Then, any additionally associated persons would be 
connected via the junction table.  Hmm - that might work well.  Thanks 
for the thought.

I would also love to be able to use my household structure for this, 
wherein each person is a member of a household.  But, the client could 
be a single individual in the household rather than the entire household.

TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 05/04/16 7:08 PM, McGillivray, Don wrote:
> Hi Tina,
>
> I generally think of many-to-many relationships as being defined by circumstance.  That is, the records on either side of the junction exist independently of each other and are caused to relate to each other depending on a specific condition.  To take your example of the class and students, the classes and students exist independently of each other and are related only through the condition of a student choosing to be enrolled in the class.
>
> The problem you're trying to solve is different, in that, presumably, a file does not exist except in relation to a specific person or persons.  It's not just a generic entity sitting out there waiting to be joined to one or more persons by virtue of some heretofore unforeseen circumstance.  (Unless I misunderstand your problem.)
>
> So, perhaps the file record can be created as the direct child of a primary person record, and then shared with one or more other persons using the many-to-many junction.  Or maybe the person records are related to a common parent record (family, couple, group, etc.) and the file record is related to the parent record instead of individual person records.
>
> Maybe these thoughts will inspire you toward another more effective solution.
>
> Don
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 3:10 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Issues of many-many relationships
>
> Yes, that's been my experience.  But, I want to be able to create a new file to be associated with that person, and that isn't working because the intermediate table requires a matching entry in the primary table.
>
> TNF
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
> On 05/04/16 3:20 PM, jack drawbridge wrote:
>> Tina,
>>
>> I think you first have to add the File to the tblFile, then you could
>> associate that file with Person X.
>> Similarly if there is a new Person, you would add the person to
>> tblPerson and then associate that Person with a selected File.
>> Just typing while thinking...
>> good luck.
>>
>> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 3:07 PM, Tina Norris Fields <
>> tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> This should be easy, I'm sure, and I should know how to do it, but
>>> I'm having trouble with it.
>>>
>>> The examples I regularly find that deal with the many-many
>>> relationship are a bunch like this:
>>>
>>> Students --> Student-Class <-- Classes
>>>
>>> Where students may take several classes and classes may have several
>>> students, so, we create a details or junction table, containing the
>>> FK for student and FK for class - giving us one record for each
>>> combination of student-and-class.  Great!  But, this depends on
>>> existing data in both the Students table and the Classes table.
>>>
>>> Now, I'm dealing with a slightly different case.  I have a table of
>>> Persons and a table of their Files.  Each Person could have several
>>> Files, and each File could apply to several Persons.  (As an example,
>>> one File could be estate planning for a married couple, so the file
>>> applies to two
>>> individuals.)  Clearly, this is a many-many relationship, requiring a
>>> junction table.
>>>
>>> Persons --> Person-File <-- Files
>>>
>>> No problem creating a query to display the files pertaining to any
>>> one person. But, from here, how to create a new File for an existing Person?
>>> The Person-File table cannot have a new entry, because it requires an
>>> existing matching entry in each of the tables, Persons and Files.
>>>
>>> So, what the heck am I missing?  What am I doing wrong?  Any help
>>> getting my brain around this is appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> TNF
>>>
>>> --
>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>>> 231-322-2787
>>>
>>> --
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu May  5 07:41:56 2016
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 05 May 2016 08:41:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Issues of many-many relationships
In-Reply-To: <08d0272c-8dea-f485-b109-b7c08e06de97@torchlake.com>
References: <e33ef448-82c6-3145-beb6-9e67624edb41@torchlake.com>
	<CAKvidAu18VdyRXe1cu3wMrsSOhBdwXFrD7W6q5gGmja6gQYo=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<a4bfaf17-3fe0-2573-1510-5af6ea3053bb@torchlake.com>
	<572A7526.29312.4125D56D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<08d0272c-8dea-f485-b109-b7c08e06de97@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <21AE4B9467364BFCA9AB60F875B14D37@XPS>

This might help a bit (or may not<g>) and I may be saying things you already
know or has been said as I'm late to the discussion, but here goes.

In Access, you can't directly model a many to many relationship in forms.  

The best you can do is handle each side of the relationship, which is a one
to many with a main/subform combo.

Main form is bound to the one (say persons) and the subform handles the many
(person-file).  A combo control in the subform allows you to choose the one
from the other side of the many to many (a file).

You can also look at it from the other side of the M-M relationship:

Main form is bound to the one (file) and the subform handles the many
(person-file).  A combo control in the subform then allows you to choose the
person.

For data entry, you can:

1. Allow the user to switch back and forth between these two forms to add
new records.

2. Have one or the other (or even both), but when using the combo in the
subform, use the not-in-list event to pop-up a form to add a new record (in
the first case above, add a new file to be chosen in the combo), requery the
combo, and your off and running.

3. Use a un-bound main form, then a subform for each of the forms above,
each of which will have a subform in it for the many. 

 The last I've found is very confusing for users. 

 I like #2 the best.  I like to provide both combinations of the
main/subform's and then let them choose which side of the M-M they want to
work from.  Depending on the task or the process they are walking through,
it may be one or the other at different times.

HTH,
Jim.





-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Tina Norris Fields
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 08:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Issues of many-many relationships

Stuart,

Yes, that is what I've seen so far, but, I'm failing to see how to do 
that in a way that will not inconvenience the clerical person who will 
actually be doing the data entry.  I've somehow been really dense as I 
look at this puzzle.

TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 05/04/16 6:18 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> You need to do it in two steps:
> 1. Create the new file
> 2. Associate it with the person.
>
> Write a simple VBA function to do it.
>
> On 4 May 2016 at 18:09, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>
>> Yes, that's been my experience.  But, I want to be able to create a new
>> file to be associated with that person, and that isn't working because
>> the intermediate table requires a matching entry in the primary table.
>>
>> TNF
>>
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
>> On 05/04/16 3:20 PM, jack drawbridge wrote:
>>> Tina,
>>>
>>> I think you first have to add the File to the tblFile, then you could
>>> associate that file with Person X.
>>> Similarly if there is a new Person, you would add the person to
tblPerson
>>> and then associate that Person with a selected File.
>>> Just typing while thinking...
>>> good luck.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 3:07 PM, Tina Norris Fields <
>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> This should be easy, I'm sure, and I should know how to do it, but I'm
>>>> having trouble with it.
>>>>
>>>> The examples I regularly find that deal with the many-many relationship
>>>> are a bunch like this:
>>>>
>>>> Students --> Student-Class <-- Classes
>>>>
>>>> Where students may take several classes and classes may have several
>>>> students, so, we create a details or junction table, containing the FK
for
>>>> student and FK for class - giving us one record for each combination of
>>>> student-and-class.  Great!  But, this depends on existing data in both
the
>>>> Students table and the Classes table.
>>>>
>>>> Now, I'm dealing with a slightly different case.  I have a table of
>>>> Persons and a table of their Files.  Each Person could have several
Files,
>>>> and each File could apply to several Persons.  (As an example, one File
>>>> could be estate planning for a married couple, so the file applies to
two
>>>> individuals.)  Clearly, this is a many-many relationship, requiring a
>>>> junction table.
>>>>
>>>> Persons --> Person-File <-- Files
>>>>
>>>> No problem creating a query to display the files pertaining to any one
>>>> person. But, from here, how to create a new File for an existing
Person?
>>>> The Person-File table cannot have a new entry, because it requires an
>>>> existing matching entry in each of the tables, Persons and Files.
>>>>
>>>> So, what the heck am I missing?  What am I doing wrong?  Any help
getting
>>>> my brain around this is appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> TNF
>>>>
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From kost36 at otenet.gr  Thu May  5 08:37:48 2016
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 16:37:48 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] select top and limit...
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References: <01c701d1a6a2$32f27bc0$98d77340$@otenet.gr>	<01cc01d1a6a7$aa545da0$fefd18e0$@otenet.gr>	<572B1B90.11576.43AFE830@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<572B2106.10871.43C53CB5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
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Hi Hack,
There are a lot of queries there, but as is seems nothing fits in the case I
am looking for

Anyway
Thank's a lot
/kostas

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jack drawbridge
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 2:07 PM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] select top and limit...

There is a sample (found via Google and *not*  tested by me) of MySQL
ranking query with ties at
http://fellowtuts.com/mysql/query-to-obtain-rank-function-in-mysql/

Hope it is useful.

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 6:31 AM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
wrote:

> Another thought:
>
> Select <current query> where CountofID_Films >= (Select CountofID_Fims 
> from <current query> LIMIT 10,1)
>
> On 5 May 2016 at 20:08, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
>
> > About the only way that I can see it would be a UNION to a second 
> > query which return all the records matching the last. Something 
> > like:
> >
> > Select <currentquery>  LIMIT 9
> > UNION
> > Select <currentquery>.
> > where CountOfID_films IN
> > <Select COuntofID_Films with currentQuery> LIMIT 10,1
> >
> >
> > On 5 May 2016 at 11:25, Kostas Konstantinidis wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Paul thank's for your reply
> > > This is the query which works but it doesn't return the equal 
> > > values with the  10th record
> > >
> > >     SELECT
> > >         `T_people`.`person` AS `person`,
> > >         COUNT(`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_films`) AS `CountOfID_films`
> > >     FROM
> > >         ((`MT_films`
> > >         JOIN `ST_peoplefilms` ON ((`MT_films`.`ID_films` =
> > > `ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_films`)))
> > >         JOIN `T_people` ON ((`T_people`.`ID_person` =
> > > `ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_person`)))
> > >     GROUP BY `T_people`.`person` , `T_people`.`man` , 
> > > `ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` , `MT_films`.`kind_movie`
> > >     HAVING ((`T_people`.`man` = 1)
> > >         AND (`MT_films`.`kind_movie` = '.')
> > >         AND ((`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` = 2)
> > >         OR (`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` = 13)
> > >         OR (`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` = 40)
> > >         OR (`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` = 44)
> > >         OR (`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` = 45)))
> > >     ORDER BY COUNT(`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_films`) DESC
> > >     LIMIT 10
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On 
> > > Behalf Of Paul Hartland Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 11:07 AM To:
> > > Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Subject: Re: [AccessD] select top 
> > > and limit...
> > >
> > > never used mysql and know nothing about this limit 10 (although 
> > > just quickly looked it up), but if the values in the query you are 
> > > setting the limit on are ascending, could you not use the limit 10 
> > > as a sub query like below...off top of head something like below 
> > > and assuming the table/query has some sort of unique identifier on
> > >
> > > SELECT *
> > > FROM [yourtableorqueryhere] AS A
> > > INNER JOIN
> > >     (
> > >         SELECT UniqueID, MAX([yourvaluefieldhere]) AS GetRecords
> > >     ) AS B
> > > ON
> > >     A.UniqueID = B.UniqueID
> > > OR
> > >     A.[yourvaluefieldhere] <= B.GetRecords
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 5 May 2016 at 08:46, Kostas Konstantinidis <kost36 at otenet.gr>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > > I uae "LIMIT 10" in mysql query but what I really need is get 
> > > > also all the equal values with the 10th record I know that ms 
> > > > access do it by default with "select top" but I can't  make it 
> > > > to work in mysql Could you please help?
> > > >
> > > > Thank's
> > > > /kostas
> > > >
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From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Thu May  5 08:54:52 2016
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 13:54:52 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] select top and limit...
In-Reply-To: <01c701d1a6a2$32f27bc0$98d77340$@otenet.gr>
References: <01c701d1a6a2$32f27bc0$98d77340$@otenet.gr>
Message-ID: <D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA862A5D4A3@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>

Kostas,

OTTOMH...

Select OrderedList.MyValue from OrderedList Where OrderedList.MyValue 
In (Select OrderedList.MyValue from OrderedList Limit 10);

Lambert

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Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 3:46 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] select top and limit...

Hi all,
I uae "LIMIT 10" in mysql query but what I really need is get also all the equal values with the 10th record I know that ms access do it by default with "select top" but I can't  make it to work in mysql Could you please help?

Thank's
/kostas

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From kost36 at otenet.gr  Thu May  5 10:26:44 2016
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 18:26:44 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] select top and limit...
In-Reply-To: <D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA862A5D4A3@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>
References: <01c701d1a6a2$32f27bc0$98d77340$@otenet.gr>
	<D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA862A5D4A3@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <01df01d1a6e2$89255540$9b6fffc0$@otenet.gr>

Hi Lambert,

I get

ERROR 1235 : This version of MySQL doesn't yet support 'LIMIT &
IN/ALL/ANY/SOME subquery'

Thank;s
/kostas

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Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 4:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] select top and limit...

Kostas,

OTTOMH...

Select OrderedList.MyValue from OrderedList Where OrderedList.MyValue In
(Select OrderedList.MyValue from OrderedList Limit 10);

Lambert

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Kostas Konstantinidis
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 3:46 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] select top and limit...

Hi all,
I uae "LIMIT 10" in mysql query but what I really need is get also all the
equal values with the 10th record I know that ms access do it by default
with "select top" but I can't  make it to work in mysql Could you please
help?

Thank's
/kostas

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From DMcGillivray at ctc.ca.gov  Thu May  5 10:42:37 2016
From: DMcGillivray at ctc.ca.gov (McGillivray, Don)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 15:42:37 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Issues of many-many relationships
In-Reply-To: <22323e66-fe83-61a8-d4a9-39d8dad81a36@torchlake.com>
References: <e33ef448-82c6-3145-beb6-9e67624edb41@torchlake.com>
	<CAKvidAu18VdyRXe1cu3wMrsSOhBdwXFrD7W6q5gGmja6gQYo=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<a4bfaf17-3fe0-2573-1510-5af6ea3053bb@torchlake.com>
	<E48E6D791ED38E4BA54107C70270424741A5ABE5@hqex01.ctc.ca.gov>
	<22323e66-fe83-61a8-d4a9-39d8dad81a36@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <E48E6D791ED38E4BA54107C70270424741A5AE32@hqex01.ctc.ca.gov>

Hi Tina,

Yes, you have understood my suggestion.  Treat the file record as the many side of a one-to-many relationship by including a foreign key pointing to the primary person.  Then on your form, allow a selected file to be shared with one or more other persons using the junction table to resolve the relationship(s).  Unless you also create a junction record for the primary person, this will complicate queries, as the relationship to the primary person will be expressed differently from the way the other relationships are expressed.

I don't know if that's the best approach, but it may be a start toward something that works.

Don

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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Issues of many-many relationships

Don,

You have understood the matter correctly.  It is precisely because the files are not independent entities that I am hitting a wall.

To check that I am understanding your suggestion - are you saying that each file would have a principal person as part of its definition?  
That's, of course, what I'd do if there were a one-to-many relationship of Person-to-File.  Then, any additionally associated persons would be connected via the junction table.  Hmm - that might work well.  Thanks for the thought.

I would also love to be able to use my household structure for this, wherein each person is a member of a household.  But, the client could be a single individual in the household rather than the entire household.

TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 05/04/16 7:08 PM, McGillivray, Don wrote:
> Hi Tina,
>
> I generally think of many-to-many relationships as being defined by circumstance.  That is, the records on either side of the junction exist independently of each other and are caused to relate to each other depending on a specific condition.  To take your example of the class and students, the classes and students exist independently of each other and are related only through the condition of a student choosing to be enrolled in the class.
>
> The problem you're trying to solve is different, in that, presumably, 
> a file does not exist except in relation to a specific person or 
> persons.  It's not just a generic entity sitting out there waiting to 
> be joined to one or more persons by virtue of some heretofore 
> unforeseen circumstance.  (Unless I misunderstand your problem.)
>
> So, perhaps the file record can be created as the direct child of a primary person record, and then shared with one or more other persons using the many-to-many junction.  Or maybe the person records are related to a common parent record (family, couple, group, etc.) and the file record is related to the parent record instead of individual person records.
>
> Maybe these thoughts will inspire you toward another more effective solution.
>
> Don
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Tina Norris Fields
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 3:10 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Issues of many-many relationships
>
> Yes, that's been my experience.  But, I want to be able to create a new file to be associated with that person, and that isn't working because the intermediate table requires a matching entry in the primary table.
>
> TNF
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
> On 05/04/16 3:20 PM, jack drawbridge wrote:
>> Tina,
>>
>> I think you first have to add the File to the tblFile, then you could 
>> associate that file with Person X.
>> Similarly if there is a new Person, you would add the person to 
>> tblPerson and then associate that Person with a selected File.
>> Just typing while thinking...
>> good luck.
>>
>> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 3:07 PM, Tina Norris Fields < 
>> tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> This should be easy, I'm sure, and I should know how to do it, but 
>>> I'm having trouble with it.
>>>
>>> The examples I regularly find that deal with the many-many 
>>> relationship are a bunch like this:
>>>
>>> Students --> Student-Class <-- Classes
>>>
>>> Where students may take several classes and classes may have several 
>>> students, so, we create a details or junction table, containing the 
>>> FK for student and FK for class - giving us one record for each 
>>> combination of student-and-class.  Great!  But, this depends on 
>>> existing data in both the Students table and the Classes table.
>>>
>>> Now, I'm dealing with a slightly different case.  I have a table of 
>>> Persons and a table of their Files.  Each Person could have several 
>>> Files, and each File could apply to several Persons.  (As an 
>>> example, one File could be estate planning for a married couple, so 
>>> the file applies to two
>>> individuals.)  Clearly, this is a many-many relationship, requiring 
>>> a junction table.
>>>
>>> Persons --> Person-File <-- Files
>>>
>>> No problem creating a query to display the files pertaining to any 
>>> one person. But, from here, how to create a new File for an existing Person?
>>> The Person-File table cannot have a new entry, because it requires 
>>> an existing matching entry in each of the tables, Persons and Files.
>>>
>>> So, what the heck am I missing?  What am I doing wrong?  Any help 
>>> getting my brain around this is appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> TNF
>>>
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From kost36 at otenet.gr  Thu May  5 10:58:12 2016
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 18:58:12 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] select top and limit...
In-Reply-To: <572B1B90.11576.43AFE830@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <01c701d1a6a2$32f27bc0$98d77340$@otenet.gr>,
	<CALGJE94ZiP2_sCjZfmVuyFEUr6O46Hw+sKGxx_P00pGP4-jt5g@mail.gmail.com>,
	<01cc01d1a6a7$aa545da0$fefd18e0$@otenet.gr>
	<572B1B90.11576.43AFE830@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <01e401d1a6e6$eedaca60$cc905f20$@otenet.gr>

Hi Stuart.
I get the same error like Lambert's

ERROR 1235 : This version of MySQL doesn't yet support 'LIMIT &
IN/ALL/ANY/SOME subquery'

Thank's
/kostas Hi Paul
I get the same error like Lambert's

ERROR 1235 : This version of MySQL doesn't yet support 'LIMIT &
IN/ALL/ANY/SOME subquery'

Thank's
/kostas

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
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Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 1:08 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] select top and limit...

About the only way that I can see it would be a UNION to a second query
which return all the records matching the last.
Something like: 

Select <currentquery>  LIMIT 9
UNION
Select <currentquery>. 
where CountOfID_films IN
<Select COuntofID_Films with currentQuery> LIMIT 10,1


On 5 May 2016 at 11:25, Kostas Konstantinidis wrote:

> Hi Paul thank's for your reply
> This is the query which works but it doesn't return the equal values 
> with the  10th record
> 
>     SELECT 
>         `T_people`.`person` AS `person`,
>         COUNT(`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_films`) AS `CountOfID_films`
>     FROM
>         ((`MT_films`
>         JOIN `ST_peoplefilms` ON ((`MT_films`.`ID_films` =
> `ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_films`)))
>         JOIN `T_people` ON ((`T_people`.`ID_person` =
> `ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_person`)))
>     GROUP BY `T_people`.`person` , `T_people`.`man` , 
> `ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` , `MT_films`.`kind_movie`
>     HAVING ((`T_people`.`man` = 1)
>         AND (`MT_films`.`kind_movie` = '.')
>         AND ((`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` = 2)
>         OR (`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` = 13)
>         OR (`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` = 40)
>         OR (`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` = 44)
>         OR (`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` = 45)))
>     ORDER BY COUNT(`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_films`) DESC
>     LIMIT 10
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Paul Hartland Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 11:07 AM To: Access 
> Developers discussion and problem solving 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Subject: Re: [AccessD] select top and 
> limit...
> 
> never used mysql and know nothing about this limit 10 (although just 
> quickly looked it up), but if the values in the query you are setting 
> the limit on are ascending, could you not use the limit 10 as a sub 
> query like below...off top of head something like below and assuming 
> the table/query has some sort of unique identifier on
> 
> SELECT *
> FROM [yourtableorqueryhere] AS A
> INNER JOIN
>     (
>         SELECT UniqueID, MAX([yourvaluefieldhere]) AS GetRecords
>     ) AS B
> ON
>     A.UniqueID = B.UniqueID
> OR
>     A.[yourvaluefieldhere] <= B.GetRecords
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 5 May 2016 at 08:46, Kostas Konstantinidis <kost36 at otenet.gr>
> wrote:
> 
> > Hi all,
> > I uae "LIMIT 10" in mysql query but what I really need is get also 
> > all the equal values with the 10th record I know that ms access do 
> > it by default with "select top" but I can't  make it to work in 
> > mysql Could you please help?
> >
> > Thank's
> > /kostas
> >
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From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Thu May  5 10:59:36 2016
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 15:59:36 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] select top and limit...
In-Reply-To: <01df01d1a6e2$89255540$9b6fffc0$@otenet.gr>
References: <01c701d1a6a2$32f27bc0$98d77340$@otenet.gr>
	<D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA862A5D4A3@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>
	<01df01d1a6e2$89255540$9b6fffc0$@otenet.gr>
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Hmm.

Don't know if MySQL supports the use of "With"  like this (Oracle syntax)...

With OLTop as (
Select OrderedList.MyValue from OrderedList Limit 10
)

Select
OrderedList.MyValue from OrderedList inner join  OLTop on OLtop.MyValue = OrderedList.MyValue

Lambert


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Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 11:27 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] select top and limit...

Hi Lambert,

I get

ERROR 1235 : This version of MySQL doesn't yet support 'LIMIT & IN/ALL/ANY/SOME subquery'

Thank;s
/kostas

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Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 4:55 PM
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Kostas,

OTTOMH...

Select OrderedList.MyValue from OrderedList Where OrderedList.MyValue In (Select OrderedList.MyValue from OrderedList Limit 10);

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 3:46 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] select top and limit...

Hi all,
I uae "LIMIT 10" in mysql query but what I really need is get also all the equal values with the 10th record I know that ms access do it by default with "select top" but I can't  make it to work in mysql Could you please help?

Thank's
/kostas

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From kost36 at otenet.gr  Thu May  5 11:40:44 2016
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 19:40:44 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] select top and limit...
In-Reply-To: <D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA862A5D76C@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>
References: <01c701d1a6a2$32f27bc0$98d77340$@otenet.gr>	<D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA862A5D4A3@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>	<01df01d1a6e2$89255540$9b6fffc0$@otenet.gr>
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It doesn't 

/kostas

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Subject: Re: [AccessD] select top and limit...

Hmm.

Don't know if MySQL supports the use of "With"  like this (Oracle syntax)...

With OLTop as (
Select OrderedList.MyValue from OrderedList Limit 10
)

Select
OrderedList.MyValue from OrderedList inner join  OLTop on OLtop.MyValue =
OrderedList.MyValue

Lambert


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Kostas Konstantinidis
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To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] select top and limit...

Hi Lambert,

I get

ERROR 1235 : This version of MySQL doesn't yet support 'LIMIT &
IN/ALL/ANY/SOME subquery'

Thank;s
/kostas

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Subject: Re: [AccessD] select top and limit...

Kostas,

OTTOMH...

Select OrderedList.MyValue from OrderedList Where OrderedList.MyValue In
(Select OrderedList.MyValue from OrderedList Limit 10);

Lambert

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To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] select top and limit...

Hi all,
I uae "LIMIT 10" in mysql query but what I really need is get also all the
equal values with the 10th record I know that ms access do it by default
with "select top" but I can't  make it to work in mysql Could you please
help?

Thank's
/kostas

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From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Thu May  5 11:53:03 2016
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 16:53:03 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] select top and limit...
In-Reply-To: <01e801d1a6ec$dfcb7280$9f625780$@otenet.gr>
References: <01c701d1a6a2$32f27bc0$98d77340$@otenet.gr>
	<D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA862A5D4A3@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>
	<01df01d1a6e2$89255540$9b6fffc0$@otenet.gr>
	<D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA862A5D76C@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>
	<01e801d1a6ec$dfcb7280$9f625780$@otenet.gr>
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Google...Google...

Looks like you can do this...

Select * from 
(Select OrderedList.MyValue from OrderedList Limit 10) TopL 
Inner join
(Select OrderedList.MyValue, [ and any other fields you want to see] from OrderedList) AllData
On TopL.MyValue = AllData.MyValue;

See http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13400726/mysql-combine-two-queries

Lambert

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Subject: Re: [AccessD] select top and limit...

It doesn't 

/kostas

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To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] select top and limit...

Hmm.

Don't know if MySQL supports the use of "With"  like this (Oracle syntax)...

With OLTop as (
Select OrderedList.MyValue from OrderedList Limit 10
)

Select
OrderedList.MyValue from OrderedList inner join  OLTop on OLtop.MyValue = OrderedList.MyValue

Lambert


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To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] select top and limit...

Hi Lambert,

I get

ERROR 1235 : This version of MySQL doesn't yet support 'LIMIT & IN/ALL/ANY/SOME subquery'

Thank;s
/kostas

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Subject: Re: [AccessD] select top and limit...

Kostas,

OTTOMH...

Select OrderedList.MyValue from OrderedList Where OrderedList.MyValue In (Select OrderedList.MyValue from OrderedList Limit 10);

Lambert

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Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 3:46 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] select top and limit...

Hi all,
I uae "LIMIT 10" in mysql query but what I really need is get also all the equal values with the 10th record I know that ms access do it by default with "select top" but I can't  make it to work in mysql Could you please help?

Thank's
/kostas

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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu May  5 12:57:47 2016
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 17:57:47 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Join Issue
Message-ID: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB1AB32710@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>

The following sql throws and error of Join Expression not Supported. I don't think I have a syntax error so am I trying to do the impossible/forbidden? When using actual table and query names it ran fine. Thank you for your assistance.


Function Injectors_around_Completion_in_Activated_Pattern()

    Dim strSQL As String

       strSQL = "SELECT RS1!PatternName, RS1![Completion in Pattern], RS1![Other Patterns Completion is in], ConfigMaster.ChildPID, ConfigMaster.WellName " & _
            "FROM (RS1 INNER JOIN ConfigMaster ON RS1![Other Patterns Completion is in]= ConfigMaster.PID) " & _
            "INNER JOIN RS2 ON ConfigMaster.ChildPID = RS2!Well_API_14 " & _
            "WHERE (((RS2![RBI Cum]) > 0)) " & _
            "GROUP BY RS1!PatternName, RS1![Completion in Pattern], RS1![Other Patterns Completion is in], ConfigMaster.ChildPID, ConfigMaster.WellName " & _
            "ORDER BY RS1!PatternName DESC , RS1![Completion in Pattern], ConfigMaster.ChildPID;"

    Set RS3 = MyDB.OpenRecordset(strSQL)

End Function

From kost36 at otenet.gr  Thu May  5 13:01:32 2016
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 21:01:32 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] select top and limit...
In-Reply-To: <D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA862A5D855@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>
References: <01c701d1a6a2$32f27bc0$98d77340$@otenet.gr>	<D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA862A5D4A3@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>	<01df01d1a6e2$89255540$9b6fffc0$@otenet.gr>	<D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA862A5D76C@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>	<01e801d1a6ec$dfcb7280$9f625780$@otenet.gr>
	<D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA862A5D855@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>
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I'll try this
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8428641/views-select-contains-a-subquery-
in-the-from-clause

take a look

I also made a question on stackover
/kostas

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Subject: Re: [AccessD] select top and limit...

Google...Google...

Looks like you can do this...

Select * from
(Select OrderedList.MyValue from OrderedList Limit 10) TopL Inner join
(Select OrderedList.MyValue, [ and any other fields you want to see] from
OrderedList) AllData On TopL.MyValue = AllData.MyValue;

See http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13400726/mysql-combine-two-queries

Lambert

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To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] select top and limit...

It doesn't 

/kostas

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Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 7:00 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] select top and limit...

Hmm.

Don't know if MySQL supports the use of "With"  like this (Oracle syntax)...

With OLTop as (
Select OrderedList.MyValue from OrderedList Limit 10
)

Select
OrderedList.MyValue from OrderedList inner join  OLTop on OLtop.MyValue =
OrderedList.MyValue

Lambert


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From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Kostas Konstantinidis
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 11:27 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] select top and limit...

Hi Lambert,

I get

ERROR 1235 : This version of MySQL doesn't yet support 'LIMIT &
IN/ALL/ANY/SOME subquery'

Thank;s
/kostas

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From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 4:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] select top and limit...

Kostas,

OTTOMH...

Select OrderedList.MyValue from OrderedList Where OrderedList.MyValue In
(Select OrderedList.MyValue from OrderedList Limit 10);

Lambert

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Kostas Konstantinidis
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 3:46 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] select top and limit...

Hi all,
I uae "LIMIT 10" in mysql query but what I really need is get also all the
equal values with the 10th record I know that ms access do it by default
with "select top" but I can't  make it to work in mysql Could you please
help?

Thank's
/kostas

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From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Thu May  5 13:29:58 2016
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 18:29:58 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Join Issue
In-Reply-To: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB1AB32710@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB1AB32710@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
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In your join statements you are using Bang! Instead of dot.

Try...


RS1 INNER JOIN ConfigMaster ON RS1.[Other Patterns Completion is in]= ConfigMaster.PID

And

INNER JOIN RS2 ON ConfigMaster.ChildPID = RS2.Well_API_14 

Lambert

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Subject: [AccessD] Join Issue

The following sql throws and error of Join Expression not Supported. I don't think I have a syntax error so am I trying to do the impossible/forbidden? When using actual table and query names it ran fine. Thank you for your assistance.


Function Injectors_around_Completion_in_Activated_Pattern()

    Dim strSQL As String

       strSQL = "SELECT RS1!PatternName, RS1![Completion in Pattern], RS1![Other Patterns Completion is in], ConfigMaster.ChildPID, ConfigMaster.WellName " & _
            "FROM (RS1 INNER JOIN ConfigMaster ON RS1![Other Patterns Completion is in]= ConfigMaster.PID) " & _
            "INNER JOIN RS2 ON ConfigMaster.ChildPID = RS2!Well_API_14 " & _
            "WHERE (((RS2![RBI Cum]) > 0)) " & _
            "GROUP BY RS1!PatternName, RS1![Completion in Pattern], RS1![Other Patterns Completion is in], ConfigMaster.ChildPID, ConfigMaster.WellName " & _
            "ORDER BY RS1!PatternName DESC , RS1![Completion in Pattern], ConfigMaster.ChildPID;"

    Set RS3 = MyDB.OpenRecordset(strSQL)

End Function
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From DMcGillivray at ctc.ca.gov  Thu May  5 13:30:26 2016
From: DMcGillivray at ctc.ca.gov (McGillivray, Don)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 18:30:26 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Join Issue
In-Reply-To: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB1AB32710@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB1AB32710@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <E48E6D791ED38E4BA54107C70270424741A5AFF2@hqex01.ctc.ca.gov>

Hi Chester, 

I think your problem is the use of the ! separator between your table and column name in the JOIN clauses.  Looks like maybe you can get away with that in the SELECT clause, but not in the JOIN.

I have no idea whether it's a "best practice" or not, but I never use the ! separator anywhere in SQL.  

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Subject: [AccessD] Join Issue

The following sql throws and error of Join Expression not Supported. I don't think I have a syntax error so am I trying to do the impossible/forbidden? When using actual table and query names it ran fine. Thank you for your assistance.


Function Injectors_around_Completion_in_Activated_Pattern()

    Dim strSQL As String

       strSQL = "SELECT RS1!PatternName, RS1![Completion in Pattern], RS1![Other Patterns Completion is in], ConfigMaster.ChildPID, ConfigMaster.WellName " & _
            "FROM (RS1 INNER JOIN ConfigMaster ON RS1![Other Patterns Completion is in]= ConfigMaster.PID) " & _
            "INNER JOIN RS2 ON ConfigMaster.ChildPID = RS2!Well_API_14 " & _
            "WHERE (((RS2![RBI Cum]) > 0)) " & _
            "GROUP BY RS1!PatternName, RS1![Completion in Pattern], RS1![Other Patterns Completion is in], ConfigMaster.ChildPID, ConfigMaster.WellName " & _
            "ORDER BY RS1!PatternName DESC , RS1![Completion in Pattern], ConfigMaster.ChildPID;"

    Set RS3 = MyDB.OpenRecordset(strSQL)

End Function
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu May  5 13:41:21 2016
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 18:41:21 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Join Issue
In-Reply-To: <D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA862A5DA1C@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB1AB32710@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
	<D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA862A5DA1C@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB1AB32774@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>

I now get a new message of The Microsoft Access Database engine cannot find the input table or query RS1. RS1 is dimmed as a public recordset (Public RS1 As recordset). I use a set statement with RS1 after creating it. Set RS1 = MyDB.OpenRecordset(strSQL)

Thanks for your assistance.

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Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 1:30 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Join Issue

In your join statements you are using Bang! Instead of dot.

Try...


RS1 INNER JOIN ConfigMaster ON RS1.[Other Patterns Completion is in]= ConfigMaster.PID

And

INNER JOIN RS2 ON ConfigMaster.ChildPID = RS2.Well_API_14 

Lambert

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Subject: [AccessD] Join Issue

The following sql throws and error of Join Expression not Supported. I don't think I have a syntax error so am I trying to do the impossible/forbidden? When using actual table and query names it ran fine. Thank you for your assistance.


Function Injectors_around_Completion_in_Activated_Pattern()

    Dim strSQL As String

       strSQL = "SELECT RS1!PatternName, RS1![Completion in Pattern], RS1![Other Patterns Completion is in], ConfigMaster.ChildPID, ConfigMaster.WellName " & _
            "FROM (RS1 INNER JOIN ConfigMaster ON RS1![Other Patterns Completion is in]= ConfigMaster.PID) " & _
            "INNER JOIN RS2 ON ConfigMaster.ChildPID = RS2!Well_API_14 " & _
            "WHERE (((RS2![RBI Cum]) > 0)) " & _
            "GROUP BY RS1!PatternName, RS1![Completion in Pattern], RS1![Other Patterns Completion is in], ConfigMaster.ChildPID, ConfigMaster.WellName " & _
            "ORDER BY RS1!PatternName DESC , RS1![Completion in Pattern], ConfigMaster.ChildPID;"

    Set RS3 = MyDB.OpenRecordset(strSQL)

End Function
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From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Thu May  5 13:49:53 2016
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 18:49:53 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Join Issue
In-Reply-To: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB1AB32774@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB1AB32710@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
	<D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA862A5DA1C@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>
	<8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB1AB32774@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA862A5DA6D@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>

Ah well that's a whole other problem.

Recordsets, dimmed as DAO.Recordset or ADO.Recordset are used in VBA code, not in the SQL of queries.  Then you run a query you need to use the actual tables, or named queries. SQL knows nothing about VBA (with the exception that MS Access's JET DBMS can call out to VBA to get the return value of a function).


So save the SQL text in your variable strSQL as an actual query and then you can write another query that joins it to ConfigMaster (assuming that is a table or query).

Lambert


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Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 2:41 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Join Issue

I now get a new message of The Microsoft Access Database engine cannot find the input table or query RS1. RS1 is dimmed as a public recordset (Public RS1 As recordset). I use a set statement with RS1 after creating it. Set RS1 = MyDB.OpenRecordset(strSQL)

Thanks for your assistance.

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Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 1:30 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Join Issue

In your join statements you are using Bang! Instead of dot.

Try...


RS1 INNER JOIN ConfigMaster ON RS1.[Other Patterns Completion is in]= ConfigMaster.PID

And

INNER JOIN RS2 ON ConfigMaster.ChildPID = RS2.Well_API_14 

Lambert

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From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 1:58 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Join Issue

The following sql throws and error of Join Expression not Supported. I don't think I have a syntax error so am I trying to do the impossible/forbidden? When using actual table and query names it ran fine. Thank you for your assistance.


Function Injectors_around_Completion_in_Activated_Pattern()

    Dim strSQL As String

       strSQL = "SELECT RS1!PatternName, RS1![Completion in Pattern], RS1![Other Patterns Completion is in], ConfigMaster.ChildPID, ConfigMaster.WellName " & _
            "FROM (RS1 INNER JOIN ConfigMaster ON RS1![Other Patterns Completion is in]= ConfigMaster.PID) " & _
            "INNER JOIN RS2 ON ConfigMaster.ChildPID = RS2!Well_API_14 " & _
            "WHERE (((RS2![RBI Cum]) > 0)) " & _
            "GROUP BY RS1!PatternName, RS1![Completion in Pattern], RS1![Other Patterns Completion is in], ConfigMaster.ChildPID, ConfigMaster.WellName " & _
            "ORDER BY RS1!PatternName DESC , RS1![Completion in Pattern], ConfigMaster.ChildPID;"

    Set RS3 = MyDB.OpenRecordset(strSQL)

End Function
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu May  5 15:29:17 2016
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 20:29:17 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Join Issue
In-Reply-To: <D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA862A5DA6D@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB1AB32710@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
	<D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA862A5DA1C@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>
	<8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB1AB32774@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
	<D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA862A5DA6D@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>
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Thank you for the explanation. I can get it from here.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 1:50 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Join Issue

Ah well that's a whole other problem.

Recordsets, dimmed as DAO.Recordset or ADO.Recordset are used in VBA code, not in the SQL of queries.  Then you run a query you need to use the actual tables, or named queries. SQL knows nothing about VBA (with the exception that MS Access's JET DBMS can call out to VBA to get the return value of a function).


So save the SQL text in your variable strSQL as an actual query and then you can write another query that joins it to ConfigMaster (assuming that is a table or query).

Lambert


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 2:41 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Join Issue

I now get a new message of The Microsoft Access Database engine cannot find the input table or query RS1. RS1 is dimmed as a public recordset (Public RS1 As recordset). I use a set statement with RS1 after creating it. Set RS1 = MyDB.OpenRecordset(strSQL)

Thanks for your assistance.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 1:30 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Join Issue

In your join statements you are using Bang! Instead of dot.

Try...


RS1 INNER JOIN ConfigMaster ON RS1.[Other Patterns Completion is in]= ConfigMaster.PID

And

INNER JOIN RS2 ON ConfigMaster.ChildPID = RS2.Well_API_14 

Lambert

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From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 1:58 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Join Issue

The following sql throws and error of Join Expression not Supported. I don't think I have a syntax error so am I trying to do the impossible/forbidden? When using actual table and query names it ran fine. Thank you for your assistance.


Function Injectors_around_Completion_in_Activated_Pattern()

    Dim strSQL As String

       strSQL = "SELECT RS1!PatternName, RS1![Completion in Pattern], RS1![Other Patterns Completion is in], ConfigMaster.ChildPID, ConfigMaster.WellName " & _
            "FROM (RS1 INNER JOIN ConfigMaster ON RS1![Other Patterns Completion is in]= ConfigMaster.PID) " & _
            "INNER JOIN RS2 ON ConfigMaster.ChildPID = RS2!Well_API_14 " & _
            "WHERE (((RS2![RBI Cum]) > 0)) " & _
            "GROUP BY RS1!PatternName, RS1![Completion in Pattern], RS1![Other Patterns Completion is in], ConfigMaster.ChildPID, ConfigMaster.WellName " & _
            "ORDER BY RS1!PatternName DESC , RS1![Completion in Pattern], ConfigMaster.ChildPID;"

    Set RS3 = MyDB.OpenRecordset(strSQL)

End Function
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu May  5 15:49:28 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 06 May 2016 06:49:28 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] select top and limit...
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAtufYCDP=NAg-k2qkWMoNS_tsUmpbYmX4SUmnK78BN+DA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <01c701d1a6a2$32f27bc0$98d77340$@otenet.gr>,
	<572B2106.10871.43C53CB5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<CAKvidAtufYCDP=NAg-k2qkWMoNS_tsUmpbYmX4SUmnK78BN+DA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <572BB1D8.248.1691F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Relevan tto this thread?  Possibly. (But I think my solutions are simpler)

Useful?  Very!  I've just added it to my toolbox :)

Thanks for that one.



-- 
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On 5 May 2016 at 7:06, jack drawbridge wrote:

> There is a sample (found via Google and *not*  tested by me) of MySQL
> ranking query with ties at
> http://fellowtuts.com/mysql/query-to-obtain-rank-function-in-mysql/
> 
> Hope it is useful.
> 
> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 6:31 AM, Stuart McLachlan
> <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:
> 
> > Another thought:
> >
> > Select <current query> where CountofID_Films >=
> > (Select CountofID_Fims from <current query> LIMIT 10,1)
> >
> > On 5 May 2016 at 20:08, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> >
> > > About the only way that I can see it would be
> > > a UNION to a second query which return all the records matching
> > > the last. Something like:
> > >
> > > Select <currentquery>  LIMIT 9
> > > UNION
> > > Select <currentquery>.
> > > where CountOfID_films IN
> > > <Select COuntofID_Films with currentQuery> LIMIT 10,1
> > >
> > >
> > > On 5 May 2016 at 11:25, Kostas Konstantinidis wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Paul thank's for your reply
> > > > This is the query which works but it doesn't return the equal
> > > > values with the  10th record
> > > >
> > > >     SELECT
> > > >         `T_people`.`person` AS `person`,
> > > >         COUNT(`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_films`) AS `CountOfID_films`
> > > >     FROM
> > > >         ((`MT_films`
> > > >         JOIN `ST_peoplefilms` ON ((`MT_films`.`ID_films` =
> > > > `ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_films`)))
> > > >         JOIN `T_people` ON ((`T_people`.`ID_person` =
> > > > `ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_person`)))
> > > >     GROUP BY `T_people`.`person` , `T_people`.`man` ,
> > > > `ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` , `MT_films`.`kind_movie`
> > > >     HAVING ((`T_people`.`man` = 1)
> > > >         AND (`MT_films`.`kind_movie` = '.')
> > > >         AND ((`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` = 2)
> > > >         OR (`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` = 13)
> > > >         OR (`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` = 40)
> > > >         OR (`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` = 44)
> > > >         OR (`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_idiotita` = 45)))
> > > >     ORDER BY COUNT(`ST_peoplefilms`.`ID_films`) DESC
> > > >     LIMIT 10
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> > > > Behalf Of Paul Hartland Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 11:07 AM To:
> > > > Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Subject: Re: [AccessD] select top
> > > > and limit...
> > > >
> > > > never used mysql and know nothing about this limit 10 (although
> > > > just quickly looked it up), but if the values in the query you
> > > > are setting the limit on are ascending, could you not use the
> > > > limit 10 as a sub query like below...off top of head something
> > > > like below and assuming the table/query has some sort of unique
> > > > identifier on
> > > >
> > > > SELECT *
> > > > FROM [yourtableorqueryhere] AS A
> > > > INNER JOIN
> > > >     (
> > > >         SELECT UniqueID, MAX([yourvaluefieldhere]) AS GetRecords
> > > >     ) AS B
> > > > ON
> > > >     A.UniqueID = B.UniqueID
> > > > OR
> > > >     A.[yourvaluefieldhere] <= B.GetRecords
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 5 May 2016 at 08:46, Kostas Konstantinidis <kost36 at otenet.gr>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > I uae "LIMIT 10" in mysql query but what I really need is get
> > > > > also all the equal values with the 10th record I know that ms
> > > > > access do it by default with "select top" but I can't  make it
> > > > > to work in mysql Could you please help?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank's
> > > > > /kostas
> > > > >
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu May  5 16:18:21 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 06 May 2016 07:18:21 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT Excel
In-Reply-To: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC79C1BD8C@EX2K10-MBX6.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC79C1BD8C@EX2K10-MBX6.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <572BB89D.11243.310290@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

i Just ran into the same problem last week.   

A client prints cheques for banks from a batch list provided by the bank.   I parse the batch 
list and the resultant data is used for producing the cheques, delivery slips, invoicing etc.

Suddenly the bank started producing Excel v2 files instead of the previous Tab delimited files 
(apparently they had a change of staff and the new person didn't see any problem with 
changing the way they produced the list from their system :(

We finally got them to produce new Tab delimited files.

To answer your question, it's tricky:

Here's C++ source to do it:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/225029

and here's some other relevant info:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/514847/how-to-identify-whether-an-excel-file-conforms-to
-excel-95-or-excel-97-specifica

On 5 May 2016 at 12:23, Martin Reid wrote:

> As a last resort
> 
> We export 2 feels from our Oracle student system and import them into
> CRM. 
> 
> Our code tells us the files are Excel 1996 and we need a later
> version. Of course our Oracle people tell us they are not 1996.
> 
> Is there anything that can with 100% accuracy identify the correct
> version of the source files in terms of Excel version?
> 
> Martin
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu May  5 16:18:21 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 06 May 2016 07:18:21 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] select top and limit...
In-Reply-To: <D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA862A5D4A3@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>
References: <01c701d1a6a2$32f27bc0$98d77340$@otenet.gr>,
	<D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA862A5D4A3@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <572BB89D.28603.310222@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Yep, that should work as well :)

On 5 May 2016 at 13:54, Heenan, Lambert wrote:

> Kostas,
> 
> OTTOMH...
> 
> Select OrderedList.MyValue from OrderedList Where OrderedList.MyValue
> In (Select OrderedList.MyValue from OrderedList Limit 10);
> 
> Lambert
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Kostas Konstantinidis Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 3:46 AM To:
> 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD]
> select top and limit...
> 
> Hi all,
> I uae "LIMIT 10" in mysql query but what I really need is get also all
> the equal values with the 10th record I know that ms access do it by
> default with "select top" but I can't  make it to work in mysql Could
> you please help?
> 
> Thank's
> /kostas
> 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu May  5 16:22:35 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 06 May 2016 07:22:35 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Join Issue
In-Reply-To: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB1AB32774@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB1AB32710@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>,
	<D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA862A5DA1C@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>,
	<8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB1AB32774@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <572BB99B.30544.34E35D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Don't think that will work.  The SQL engine doesn't know about the objects such as 
recordsets created in VBA.


On 5 May 2016 at 18:41, Kaup, Chester wrote:

> I now get a new message of The Microsoft Access Database engine cannot
> find the input table or query RS1. RS1 is dimmed as a public recordset
> (Public RS1 As recordset). I use a set statement with RS1 after
> creating it. Set RS1 = MyDB.OpenRecordset(strSQL)
> 
> Thanks for your assistance.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 1:30 PM To: 'Access
> Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Join
> Issue
> 
> In your join statements you are using Bang! Instead of dot.
> 
> Try...
> 
> 
> RS1 INNER JOIN ConfigMaster ON RS1.[Other Patterns Completion is in]=
> ConfigMaster.PID
> 
> And
> 
> INNER JOIN RS2 ON ConfigMaster.ChildPID = RS2.Well_API_14 
> 
> Lambert
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Kaup, Chester Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 1:58 PM To: Access
> Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Join
> Issue
> 
> The following sql throws and error of Join Expression not Supported. I
> don't think I have a syntax error so am I trying to do the
> impossible/forbidden? When using actual table and query names it ran
> fine. Thank you for your assistance.
> 
> 
> Function Injectors_around_Completion_in_Activated_Pattern()
> 
>     Dim strSQL As String
> 
>        strSQL = "SELECT RS1!PatternName, RS1![Completion in Pattern],
>        RS1![Other Patterns Completion is in], ConfigMaster.ChildPID,
>        ConfigMaster.WellName " & _
>             "FROM (RS1 INNER JOIN ConfigMaster ON RS1![Other Patterns
>             Completion is in]= ConfigMaster.PID) " & _ "INNER JOIN RS2
>             ON ConfigMaster.ChildPID = RS2!Well_API_14 " & _ "WHERE
>             (((RS2![RBI Cum]) > 0)) " & _ "GROUP BY RS1!PatternName,
>             RS1![Completion in Pattern], RS1![Other Patterns
>             Completion is in], ConfigMaster.ChildPID,
>             ConfigMaster.WellName " & _ "ORDER BY RS1!PatternName DESC
>             , RS1![Completion in Pattern], ConfigMaster.ChildPID;"
> 
>     Set RS3 = MyDB.OpenRecordset(strSQL)
> 
> End Function
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu May  5 16:26:58 2016
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 21:26:58 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Join Issue
In-Reply-To: <572BB99B.30544.34E35D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB1AB32710@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>,
	<D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA862A5DA1C@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>, 
	<8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB1AB32774@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
	<572BB99B.30544.34E35D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB1AB338C4@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>

Thank you for the in sight.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 4:23 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Join Issue

Don't think that will work.  The SQL engine doesn't know about the objects such as recordsets created in VBA.


On 5 May 2016 at 18:41, Kaup, Chester wrote:

> I now get a new message of The Microsoft Access Database engine cannot
> find the input table or query RS1. RS1 is dimmed as a public recordset
> (Public RS1 As recordset). I use a set statement with RS1 after
> creating it. Set RS1 = MyDB.OpenRecordset(strSQL)
> 
> Thanks for your assistance.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 1:30 PM To: 'Access
> Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Join
> Issue
> 
> In your join statements you are using Bang! Instead of dot.
> 
> Try...
> 
> 
> RS1 INNER JOIN ConfigMaster ON RS1.[Other Patterns Completion is in]=
> ConfigMaster.PID
> 
> And
> 
> INNER JOIN RS2 ON ConfigMaster.ChildPID = RS2.Well_API_14 
> 
> Lambert
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Kaup, Chester Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 1:58 PM To: Access
> Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Join
> Issue
> 
> The following sql throws and error of Join Expression not Supported. I
> don't think I have a syntax error so am I trying to do the
> impossible/forbidden? When using actual table and query names it ran
> fine. Thank you for your assistance.
> 
> 
> Function Injectors_around_Completion_in_Activated_Pattern()
> 
>     Dim strSQL As String
> 
>        strSQL = "SELECT RS1!PatternName, RS1![Completion in Pattern],
>        RS1![Other Patterns Completion is in], ConfigMaster.ChildPID,
>        ConfigMaster.WellName " & _
>             "FROM (RS1 INNER JOIN ConfigMaster ON RS1![Other Patterns
>             Completion is in]= ConfigMaster.PID) " & _ "INNER JOIN RS2
>             ON ConfigMaster.ChildPID = RS2!Well_API_14 " & _ "WHERE
>             (((RS2![RBI Cum]) > 0)) " & _ "GROUP BY RS1!PatternName,
>             RS1![Completion in Pattern], RS1![Other Patterns
>             Completion is in], ConfigMaster.ChildPID,
>             ConfigMaster.WellName " & _ "ORDER BY RS1!PatternName DESC
>             , RS1![Completion in Pattern], ConfigMaster.ChildPID;"
> 
>     Set RS3 = MyDB.OpenRecordset(strSQL)
> 
> End Function
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri May  6 07:49:51 2016
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 6 May 2016 08:49:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Issues of many-many relationships
In-Reply-To: <21AE4B9467364BFCA9AB60F875B14D37@XPS>
References: <e33ef448-82c6-3145-beb6-9e67624edb41@torchlake.com>
	<CAKvidAu18VdyRXe1cu3wMrsSOhBdwXFrD7W6q5gGmja6gQYo=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<a4bfaf17-3fe0-2573-1510-5af6ea3053bb@torchlake.com>
	<572A7526.29312.4125D56D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<08d0272c-8dea-f485-b109-b7c08e06de97@torchlake.com>
	<21AE4B9467364BFCA9AB60F875B14D37@XPS>
Message-ID: <7cb7f29f-2c70-d8f7-34f9-57e1291183c3@torchlake.com>

Thanks, Jim.  I think I like #2 also.  I can see some very interesting 
ways to use that one.

TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 05/05/16 8:41 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
> This might help a bit (or may not<g>) and I may be saying things you already
> know or has been said as I'm late to the discussion, but here goes.
>
> In Access, you can't directly model a many to many relationship in forms.
>
> The best you can do is handle each side of the relationship, which is a one
> to many with a main/subform combo.
>
> Main form is bound to the one (say persons) and the subform handles the many
> (person-file).  A combo control in the subform allows you to choose the one
> from the other side of the many to many (a file).
>
> You can also look at it from the other side of the M-M relationship:
>
> Main form is bound to the one (file) and the subform handles the many
> (person-file).  A combo control in the subform then allows you to choose the
> person.
>
> For data entry, you can:
>
> 1. Allow the user to switch back and forth between these two forms to add
> new records.
>
> 2. Have one or the other (or even both), but when using the combo in the
> subform, use the not-in-list event to pop-up a form to add a new record (in
> the first case above, add a new file to be chosen in the combo), requery the
> combo, and your off and running.
>
> 3. Use a un-bound main form, then a subform for each of the forms above,
> each of which will have a subform in it for the many.
>
>   The last I've found is very confusing for users.
>
>   I like #2 the best.  I like to provide both combinations of the
> main/subform's and then let them choose which side of the M-M they want to
> work from.  Depending on the task or the process they are walking through,
> it may be one or the other at different times.
>
> HTH,
> Jim.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Tina Norris Fields
> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 08:17 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Issues of many-many relationships
>
> Stuart,
>
> Yes, that is what I've seen so far, but, I'm failing to see how to do
> that in a way that will not inconvenience the clerical person who will
> actually be doing the data entry.  I've somehow been really dense as I
> look at this puzzle.
>
> TNF
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
> On 05/04/16 6:18 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
>> You need to do it in two steps:
>> 1. Create the new file
>> 2. Associate it with the person.
>>
>> Write a simple VBA function to do it.
>>
>> On 4 May 2016 at 18:09, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, that's been my experience.  But, I want to be able to create a new
>>> file to be associated with that person, and that isn't working because
>>> the intermediate table requires a matching entry in the primary table.
>>>
>>> TNF
>>>
>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>>> 231-322-2787
>>>
>>> On 05/04/16 3:20 PM, jack drawbridge wrote:
>>>> Tina,
>>>>
>>>> I think you first have to add the File to the tblFile, then you could
>>>> associate that file with Person X.
>>>> Similarly if there is a new Person, you would add the person to
> tblPerson
>>>> and then associate that Person with a selected File.
>>>> Just typing while thinking...
>>>> good luck.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 3:07 PM, Tina Norris Fields <
>>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> This should be easy, I'm sure, and I should know how to do it, but I'm
>>>>> having trouble with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The examples I regularly find that deal with the many-many relationship
>>>>> are a bunch like this:
>>>>>
>>>>> Students --> Student-Class <-- Classes
>>>>>
>>>>> Where students may take several classes and classes may have several
>>>>> students, so, we create a details or junction table, containing the FK
> for
>>>>> student and FK for class - giving us one record for each combination of
>>>>> student-and-class.  Great!  But, this depends on existing data in both
> the
>>>>> Students table and the Classes table.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, I'm dealing with a slightly different case.  I have a table of
>>>>> Persons and a table of their Files.  Each Person could have several
> Files,
>>>>> and each File could apply to several Persons.  (As an example, one File
>>>>> could be estate planning for a married couple, so the file applies to
> two
>>>>> individuals.)  Clearly, this is a many-many relationship, requiring a
>>>>> junction table.
>>>>>
>>>>> Persons --> Person-File <-- Files
>>>>>
>>>>> No problem creating a query to display the files pertaining to any one
>>>>> person. But, from here, how to create a new File for an existing
> Person?
>>>>> The Person-File table cannot have a new entry, because it requires an
>>>>> existing matching entry in each of the tables, Persons and Files.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, what the heck am I missing?  What am I doing wrong?  Any help
> getting
>>>>> my brain around this is appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> TNF
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>>>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>>>>> 231-322-2787
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri May  6 07:51:38 2016
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 6 May 2016 08:51:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Issues of many-many relationships
In-Reply-To: <E48E6D791ED38E4BA54107C70270424741A5AE32@hqex01.ctc.ca.gov>
References: <e33ef448-82c6-3145-beb6-9e67624edb41@torchlake.com>
	<CAKvidAu18VdyRXe1cu3wMrsSOhBdwXFrD7W6q5gGmja6gQYo=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<a4bfaf17-3fe0-2573-1510-5af6ea3053bb@torchlake.com>
	<E48E6D791ED38E4BA54107C70270424741A5ABE5@hqex01.ctc.ca.gov>
	<22323e66-fe83-61a8-d4a9-39d8dad81a36@torchlake.com>
	<E48E6D791ED38E4BA54107C70270424741A5AE32@hqex01.ctc.ca.gov>
Message-ID: <1f03da9d-8ee3-72a4-1856-b6b97dfa1f75@torchlake.com>

Thank you, Don.  To quote our friend Rocky - a good program is one that 
works.  So, until I do know what the best approach is, I'll settle for 
one that works.  Thanks again.

TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 05/05/16 11:42 AM, McGillivray, Don wrote:
> Hi Tina,
>
> Yes, you have understood my suggestion.  Treat the file record as the many side of a one-to-many relationship by including a foreign key pointing to the primary person.  Then on your form, allow a selected file to be shared with one or more other persons using the junction table to resolve the relationship(s).  Unless you also create a junction record for the primary person, this will complicate queries, as the relationship to the primary person will be expressed differently from the way the other relationships are expressed.
>
> I don't know if that's the best approach, but it may be a start toward something that works.
>
> Don
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields
> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 5:30 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Issues of many-many relationships
>
> Don,
>
> You have understood the matter correctly.  It is precisely because the files are not independent entities that I am hitting a wall.
>
> To check that I am understanding your suggestion - are you saying that each file would have a principal person as part of its definition?
> That's, of course, what I'd do if there were a one-to-many relationship of Person-to-File.  Then, any additionally associated persons would be connected via the junction table.  Hmm - that might work well.  Thanks for the thought.
>
> I would also love to be able to use my household structure for this, wherein each person is a member of a household.  But, the client could be a single individual in the household rather than the entire household.
>
> TNF
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
> On 05/04/16 7:08 PM, McGillivray, Don wrote:
>> Hi Tina,
>>
>> I generally think of many-to-many relationships as being defined by circumstance.  That is, the records on either side of the junction exist independently of each other and are caused to relate to each other depending on a specific condition.  To take your example of the class and students, the classes and students exist independently of each other and are related only through the condition of a student choosing to be enrolled in the class.
>>
>> The problem you're trying to solve is different, in that, presumably,
>> a file does not exist except in relation to a specific person or
>> persons.  It's not just a generic entity sitting out there waiting to
>> be joined to one or more persons by virtue of some heretofore
>> unforeseen circumstance.  (Unless I misunderstand your problem.)
>>
>> So, perhaps the file record can be created as the direct child of a primary person record, and then shared with one or more other persons using the many-to-many junction.  Or maybe the person records are related to a common parent record (family, couple, group, etc.) and the file record is related to the parent record instead of individual person records.
>>
>> Maybe these thoughts will inspire you toward another more effective solution.
>>
>> Don
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
>> Of Tina Norris Fields
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 3:10 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Issues of many-many relationships
>>
>> Yes, that's been my experience.  But, I want to be able to create a new file to be associated with that person, and that isn't working because the intermediate table requires a matching entry in the primary table.
>>
>> TNF
>>
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
>> On 05/04/16 3:20 PM, jack drawbridge wrote:
>>> Tina,
>>>
>>> I think you first have to add the File to the tblFile, then you could
>>> associate that file with Person X.
>>> Similarly if there is a new Person, you would add the person to
>>> tblPerson and then associate that Person with a selected File.
>>> Just typing while thinking...
>>> good luck.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 3:07 PM, Tina Norris Fields <
>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> This should be easy, I'm sure, and I should know how to do it, but
>>>> I'm having trouble with it.
>>>>
>>>> The examples I regularly find that deal with the many-many
>>>> relationship are a bunch like this:
>>>>
>>>> Students --> Student-Class <-- Classes
>>>>
>>>> Where students may take several classes and classes may have several
>>>> students, so, we create a details or junction table, containing the
>>>> FK for student and FK for class - giving us one record for each
>>>> combination of student-and-class.  Great!  But, this depends on
>>>> existing data in both the Students table and the Classes table.
>>>>
>>>> Now, I'm dealing with a slightly different case.  I have a table of
>>>> Persons and a table of their Files.  Each Person could have several
>>>> Files, and each File could apply to several Persons.  (As an
>>>> example, one File could be estate planning for a married couple, so
>>>> the file applies to two
>>>> individuals.)  Clearly, this is a many-many relationship, requiring
>>>> a junction table.
>>>>
>>>> Persons --> Person-File <-- Files
>>>>
>>>> No problem creating a query to display the files pertaining to any
>>>> one person. But, from here, how to create a new File for an existing Person?
>>>> The Person-File table cannot have a new entry, because it requires
>>>> an existing matching entry in each of the tables, Persons and Files.
>>>>
>>>> So, what the heck am I missing?  What am I doing wrong?  Any help
>>>> getting my brain around this is appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> TNF
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>>>> 231-322-2787
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>>
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From actebs at actebs.com.au  Wed May 11 23:21:11 2016
From: actebs at actebs.com.au (ACTEBS)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2016 14:21:11 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Looking for some extra work?
Message-ID: <000001d1ac05$b716e540$2544afc0$@actebs.com.au>

Hi Guys,

 

We've found ourselves flat out at the moment here, so was wondering if
anyone would like to take on some extra work?

 

It's a small job of converting an Access XP app to Access 2010. The app
itself was quite poorly written (we inherited from another developer) and we
don't have time to review and debug it. 

 

Thanks

 

Vlad 

 

 


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu May 12 11:13:34 2016
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2016 12:13:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Looking for some extra work?
In-Reply-To: <000001d1ac05$b716e540$2544afc0$@actebs.com.au>
References: <000001d1ac05$b716e540$2544afc0$@actebs.com.au>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1ibWUxgZOFUWoLJJ6SDxJ7TYKPc2TKxSE-_-hcUBmRSmA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Vlad,

I'm interested. Please send me the specs and I'll happily have a look.

Arthur

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 12:21 AM, ACTEBS <actebs at actebs.com.au> wrote:

> Hi Guys,
>
>
>
> We've found ourselves flat out at the moment here, so was wondering if
> anyone would like to take on some extra work?
>
>
>
> It's a small job of converting an Access XP app to Access 2010. The app
> itself was quite poorly written (we inherited from another developer) and
> we
> don't have time to review and debug it.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Vlad
>
>
>
>
>
> --
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>



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From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu May 12 11:59:26 2016
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2016 12:59:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Looking for some extra work?
In-Reply-To: <000001d1ac05$b716e540$2544afc0$@actebs.com.au>
References: <000001d1ac05$b716e540$2544afc0$@actebs.com.au>
Message-ID: <024301d1ac6f$a4d8bd30$ee8a3790$@net>

I'd be interested, but how to get the Access XP install package ?

I have AC97, 2003, 2010, 2013.



From actebs at actebs.com.au  Thu May 12 18:29:45 2016
From: actebs at actebs.com.au (ACTEBS)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 09:29:45 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Looking for some extra work?
In-Reply-To: <024301d1ac6f$a4d8bd30$ee8a3790$@net>
References: <000001d1ac05$b716e540$2544afc0$@actebs.com.au>
	<024301d1ac6f$a4d8bd30$ee8a3790$@net>
Message-ID: <000501d1aca6$2ae53cb0$80afb610$@actebs.com.au>

Hi Guys,

Thanks for all your replies. Gustav got back to me first and I've given him
the job.

Once again, thanks,,,

Vlad 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Mark Simms
Sent: Friday, 13 May 2016 2:59 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Looking for some extra work?

I'd be interested, but how to get the Access XP install package ?

I have AC97, 2003, 2010, 2013.


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri May 13 04:59:46 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 09:59:46 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB1584D11C734EEBB4488D8895CA740@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi all

As you know, some people _do_ have too much time. If you should be in doubt, visit SpritesMods, where you can find all sorts of in-sane minimalistic projects.

On the other hand, browse a few and you will be impressed by the creativity out there - and after all, this is what brings technology forward.

Some are just plain fun, for example this "LED fan clock":

    http://spritesmods.com/?art=ledfanclock

/gustav



From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Mon May 16 08:25:25 2016
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 09:25:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A Type Mismatch Error
Message-ID: <2ec3e72c-743b-0028-a239-b456add13d90@torchlake.com>

Hello,

I gleefully copied some code from Dr. Gerard Vershuuren to set up a 
tabular form with nice option buttons that would sort the records based 
on the field matching the button.  First, is a Sub that "fills the 
buttons" - then a Sub that sorts.  The form is based on a query - say 
the first five fields from a given table (in his example, he uses 
"Courses" and "Students" for two forms).

============
Here is the code for filling the buttons:

01 Sub FillButtons(oFrm As Form, oFra As OptionGroup)
02    Dim oRS As DAO.Recordset, i As Integer
03    Dim oTB As TextBox, oTgl As ToggleButton
04    Set oRS = oFrm.RecordsetClone
05    For i = 0 To oRS.Fields.Count - 1
06        Set oTB = oFrm.Detail.Controls(i)
07        Set oTgl = oFra.Controls(i + 1)
08        oTB.ControlSource = oRS.Fields(i).Name
09        oTgl.Caption = oRS.Fields(i).Name
10        oTgl.Left = oTB.Left
11        oTgl.Width = oTB.Width
12        oTB.Locked = True
13    Next i
14    oFrm.AllowAdditions = False
15    DoCmd.Maximize
16 End Sub
=======

This works perfectly if the query is based on a single table.  If the 
query is based on related tables, line 06 throws an error 13 Type 
mismatch.  Why?

Thanks for any guidance you can give,

TNF


-- 
Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787


From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon May 16 08:32:59 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 13:32:59 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] A Type Mismatch Error
In-Reply-To: <2ec3e72c-743b-0028-a239-b456add13d90@torchlake.com>
References: <2ec3e72c-743b-0028-a239-b456add13d90@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB1584FD45579B81CFA2AF3A35CA770@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Tina

I guess that field is display as a ComboBox, thus oTB will fail as it is dim'ed as a TextBox.

You can insert in line 6 some expanded code with a Select Case block that takes care of the different control types (could be a CheckBox as well).

/gustav
________________________________________
Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Tina Norris Fields <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
Sendt: 16. maj 2016 15:25:25
Til: DatabaseAdvisors-Access
Emne: [AccessD] A Type Mismatch Error

Hello,

I gleefully copied some code from Dr. Gerard Vershuuren to set up a
tabular form with nice option buttons that would sort the records based
on the field matching the button.  First, is a Sub that "fills the
buttons" - then a Sub that sorts.  The form is based on a query - say
the first five fields from a given table (in his example, he uses
"Courses" and "Students" for two forms).

============
Here is the code for filling the buttons:

01 Sub FillButtons(oFrm As Form, oFra As OptionGroup)
02    Dim oRS As DAO.Recordset, i As Integer
03    Dim oTB As TextBox, oTgl As ToggleButton
04    Set oRS = oFrm.RecordsetClone
05    For i = 0 To oRS.Fields.Count - 1
06        Set oTB = oFrm.Detail.Controls(i)
07        Set oTgl = oFra.Controls(i + 1)
08        oTB.ControlSource = oRS.Fields(i).Name
09        oTgl.Caption = oRS.Fields(i).Name
10        oTgl.Left = oTB.Left
11        oTgl.Width = oTB.Width
12        oTB.Locked = True
13    Next i
14    oFrm.AllowAdditions = False
15    DoCmd.Maximize
16 End Sub
=======

This works perfectly if the query is based on a single table.  If the
query is based on related tables, line 06 throws an error 13 Type
mismatch.  Why?

Thanks for any guidance you can give,

TNF


--
Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Mon May 16 11:29:19 2016
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 12:29:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A Type Mismatch Error
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB1584FD45579B81CFA2AF3A35CA770@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <2ec3e72c-743b-0028-a239-b456add13d90@torchlake.com>
	<VI1PR06MB1584FD45579B81CFA2AF3A35CA770@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1aabe1f9-d43e-fce2-5fc2-7590270e0362@torchlake.com>

Aha!  Thanks, Gustav, I think you're right. I really appreciate your 
thought.

TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 05/16/16 9:32 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi Tina
>
> I guess that field is display as a ComboBox, thus oTB will fail as it is dim'ed as a TextBox.
>
> You can insert in line 6 some expanded code with a Select Case block that takes care of the different control types (could be a CheckBox as well).
>
> /gustav
> ________________________________________
> Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Tina Norris Fields <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
> Sendt: 16. maj 2016 15:25:25
> Til: DatabaseAdvisors-Access
> Emne: [AccessD] A Type Mismatch Error
>
> Hello,
>
> I gleefully copied some code from Dr. Gerard Vershuuren to set up a
> tabular form with nice option buttons that would sort the records based
> on the field matching the button.  First, is a Sub that "fills the
> buttons" - then a Sub that sorts.  The form is based on a query - say
> the first five fields from a given table (in his example, he uses
> "Courses" and "Students" for two forms).
>
> ============
> Here is the code for filling the buttons:
>
> 01 Sub FillButtons(oFrm As Form, oFra As OptionGroup)
> 02    Dim oRS As DAO.Recordset, i As Integer
> 03    Dim oTB As TextBox, oTgl As ToggleButton
> 04    Set oRS = oFrm.RecordsetClone
> 05    For i = 0 To oRS.Fields.Count - 1
> 06        Set oTB = oFrm.Detail.Controls(i)
> 07        Set oTgl = oFra.Controls(i + 1)
> 08        oTB.ControlSource = oRS.Fields(i).Name
> 09        oTgl.Caption = oRS.Fields(i).Name
> 10        oTgl.Left = oTB.Left
> 11        oTgl.Width = oTB.Width
> 12        oTB.Locked = True
> 13    Next i
> 14    oFrm.AllowAdditions = False
> 15    DoCmd.Maximize
> 16 End Sub
> =======
>
> This works perfectly if the query is based on a single table.  If the
> query is based on related tables, line 06 throws an error 13 Type
> mismatch.  Why?
>
> Thanks for any guidance you can give,
>
> TNF
>
>
> --
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787


From bradm at blackforestltd.com  Mon May 16 16:42:41 2016
From: bradm at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 21:42:41 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Version Issue ?
Message-ID: <BY2PR05MB1893687C262AB7C8A4762F97CF770@BY2PR05MB1893.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

All,

In the past, I have been doing my development with an older PC running Windows XP and Microsoft Access 2007.

A few months ago, I convinced management that I needed a new PC with Windows-7.

I am now starting to develop with Access 2013 (32 bit) on the new PC with Windows-7 64-bit.

The catch is that my applications will be deployed on about 25 PCs.  All have Windows-7, some are 32-bit Windows, some are 64-bit Windows.

There are various versions of Access on the deployment PCs (2007, 2010, 2013, 2016).

If I am careful to not use any new features in Access 2013, will I be able to develop with Access 2013 on a PC that is running Windows-7 64 bit and then deploy on our PCs that are using Window-7 32 bit and Access 2007 (runtime).

Thanks,
Brad  


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon May 16 17:09:13 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2016 08:09:13 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Version Issue ?
In-Reply-To: <BY2PR05MB1893687C262AB7C8A4762F97CF770@BY2PR05MB1893.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BY2PR05MB1893687C262AB7C8A4762F97CF770@BY2PR05MB1893.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <573A4509.23865.32D68F9C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Just avoid any new features and make sure that you are not using Office 64Bit - it should be 
OK.

On 16 May 2016 at 21:42, Brad Marks wrote:

> All,
> 
> In the past, I have been doing my development with an older PC running
> Windows XP and Microsoft Access 2007.
> 
> A few months ago, I convinced management that I needed a new PC with
> Windows-7.
> 
> I am now starting to develop with Access 2013 (32 bit) on the new PC
> with Windows-7 64-bit.
> 
> The catch is that my applications will be deployed on about 25 PCs. 
> All have Windows-7, some are 32-bit Windows, some are 64-bit Windows.
> 
> There are various versions of Access on the deployment PCs (2007,
> 2010, 2013, 2016).
> 
> If I am careful to not use any new features in Access 2013, will I be
> able to develop with Access 2013 on a PC that is running Windows-7 64
> bit and then deploy on our PCs that are using Window-7 32 bit and
> Access 2007 (runtime).
> 
> Thanks,
> Brad  
> 
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From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon May 16 17:29:26 2016
From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 23:29:26 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Version Issue ?
In-Reply-To: <BY2PR05MB1893687C262AB7C8A4762F97CF770@BY2PR05MB1893.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BY2PR05MB1893687C262AB7C8A4762F97CF770@BY2PR05MB1893.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAO8VDlNCBfdEkctCy61lm0HCgAAAEAAAAJnbapHHKNZDib05FWTx5vwBAAAAAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>

Brad,

Firstly - deployment on 32 bit win-7 from a 64 bit win-7 should - SHOULD not
cause any problems, if it is just a stand-alone app you are deploying  - the
run-time SHOULD be OK for the app
The Runtime facility needs to be the same 32/64 bit as the office app rather
than the windows .

Now - deployment to the various levels of Access means that the code you deploy
will need to be re-compiled on those versions of office 
DLL's and VB etc. need to match the Office version, and I believe there may well
be problems with the 2007 version. 
>From memory - Check for functions behaving differently such as when processing
empty variables.
 
Additionally, any code such as SQL for queries will need to be LATE BINDING in
order to have it use the code and DLL's etc. that are installed on the target
systems.

I would aim for Office 2010 code as a base level,  and hopefully, your 2007
knowledge will make the pain of  that upgrade relatively easy to cope with. 

You have not mentioned the likelihood of any, or all of those systems being
upgraded to Win-10, or web based app such as 365 or using Onedrive, etc.
There is also the process of distributing updates to the app. That could be
somewhat complicated as the users systems evolve - fixes, and new PC's 
I recently had some 'fun' with an Excel 2010 app - all based on a single
workbook with VBA code in it. 
Emailed the new version to users, and 1 user's system would not open the
workbook 
Resent with cc to a physically nearby user - and OK on the cc, but not on the
target system
Investigations of the system - fixes etc. located no differences
  
And - when the cc'd version was carried over using a USB stick - it worked 
Also saving the app workbook in 2003 mode shipping it via email and then having
the user re-convert it to their 2010 office gave them a working app.

Since then a further revision of the workbook was still reported as damaged and
unrecoverable - but the 2003  (.xls) version worked after being saved by 2010 as
a .xlsm type file 

JimB  
   
   

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad
Marks
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 10:43 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Version Issue ?

All,

In the past, I have been doing my development with an older PC running Windows
XP and Microsoft Access 2007.

A few months ago, I convinced management that I needed a new PC with Windows-7.

I am now starting to develop with Access 2013 (32 bit) on the new PC with
Windows-7 64-bit.

The catch is that my applications will be deployed on about 25 PCs.  All have
Windows-7, some are 32-bit Windows, some are 64-bit Windows.

There are various versions of Access on the deployment PCs (2007, 2010, 2013,
2016).

If I am careful to not use any new features in Access 2013, will I be able to
develop with Access 2013 on a PC that is running Windows-7 64 bit and then
deploy on our PCs that are using Window-7 32 bit and Access 2007 (runtime).

Thanks,
Brad  

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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue May 17 04:41:05 2016
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2016 05:41:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Version Issue ?
In-Reply-To: <BY2PR05MB1893687C262AB7C8A4762F97CF770@BY2PR05MB1893.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BY2PR05MB1893687C262AB7C8A4762F97CF770@BY2PR05MB1893.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <11E5721E-3199-4F9C-A2EB-E4B4928310E8@verizon.net>

Windows is not a problem, it's still 32 bit office, but personally I'd be leery of using 2013 and handing it to someone with 2007.  The desktop side has been fairly static,  but 2010 had a number of issues at release dropping back to 2007.   2013 is also the release that dropped a lot of desktop features, like ADP's.

Best particle has been to always develop in the lowest version you'll be distributing to.   References will be a problem right off.  2013 will auto update them when you open the db,  then the db will break when you hand it to a 2007 user.

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 16, 2016, at 5:42 PM, Brad Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com> wrote:
> 
> All,
> 
> In the past, I have been doing my development with an older PC running Windows XP and Microsoft Access 2007.
> 
> A few months ago, I convinced management that I needed a new PC with Windows-7.
> 
> I am now starting to develop with Access 2013 (32 bit) on the new PC with Windows-7 64-bit.
> 
> The catch is that my applications will be deployed on about 25 PCs.  All have Windows-7, some are 32-bit Windows, some are 64-bit Windows.
> 
> There are various versions of Access on the deployment PCs (2007, 2010, 2013, 2016).
> 
> If I am careful to not use any new features in Access 2013, will I be able to develop with Access 2013 on a PC that is running Windows-7 64 bit and then deploy on our PCs that are using Window-7 32 bit and Access 2007 (runtime).
> 
> Thanks,
> Brad  
> 
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Tue May 17 15:08:04 2016
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2016 16:08:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Stopping a query with a UDF call
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_3V58OFs-K897QqUWJZv4hZ-jUHTe0e-xHMa-ho-JuXOw@mail.gmail.com>

I have found it virtually impossible to interrupt a query that makes calls
to complicated UDFs. I can stop the code but even typing End in the
Immediate window doesn't get the next record in the results to not call the
code.

Anyone have a method for killing such a process that can be done from the
Access UI?

From bensonforums at gmail.com  Tue May 17 15:09:16 2016
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2016 16:09:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Stopping a query with a UDF call
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_3V58OFs-K897QqUWJZv4hZ-jUHTe0e-xHMa-ho-JuXOw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJLzs_3V58OFs-K897QqUWJZv4hZ-jUHTe0e-xHMa-ho-JuXOw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_00jqmyABG2XjrGsTXefFmWEPno7nJwZtMHZjyRmrSmQQ@mail.gmail.com>

I did find commenting out the code between the declaration and End Function
at least made the query complete faster!

:)


On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have found it virtually impossible to interrupt a query that makes calls
> to complicated UDFs. I can stop the code but even typing End in the
> Immediate window doesn't get the next record in the results to not call the
> code.
>
> Anyone have a method for killing such a process that can be done from the
> Access UI?
>

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun May 22 10:55:37 2016
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2016 11:55:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records without
	matching related records
Message-ID: <002101d1b442$62883570$2798a050$@gmail.com>

Setup - I have a small Access web app tracking errata for a technical
publisher. As books are published, I entered a few details. After a few
months, I contact the author asking if we need to publish an errata list. A
web app is perfect because the other authors have access and it was simple
to create. 

 

I have a books table, a contact table, and an author table. (I have others,
but they're not relevant to this discussion.) Books being the primary entity
- and the view displays all book data plus the author's name as a foreign
key value from the author table. The view also displays a list of contacts -
which is often blank. Some books have many contact records; some have none. 

 

I need a view that will display books with no contacts. It's been a long,
long time since I've done any serious Access work and I think I'd have used
a NOT EXISTS subquery to do this in a regular desktop database. Correct? 

 

So if "Susan's Guide To Using Access Web apps" is published but I've not
contacted Susan, I want a quick view that will list her book - not just this
one of course, but all books that I haven't initiated any contact with the
author yet. 

 

I can't seem to do this in a web app - there has to be a way to display
books that have no contacts yet. I hope I'm just making this too hard. 

 

Susan H. 


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun May 22 10:59:17 2016
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2016 11:59:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
	without matching related records
In-Reply-To: <002101d1b442$62883570$2798a050$@gmail.com>
References: <002101d1b442$62883570$2798a050$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002f01d1b442$e5a60900$b0f21b00$@gmail.com>

Criminy. nevermind..

 

I have no idea why the query I was using wasn't working, now it is.. Timing
I guess. Is anyone else having web app issues like this? I publish it, it
doesn't work. a few minutes later, I publish it again and it does? Just
me???? 

 

Susan H. 

 

 

Setup - I have a small Access web app tracking errata for a technical
publisher. As books are published, I entered a few details. After a few
months, I contact the author asking if we need to publish an errata list. A
web app is perfect because the other authors have access and it was simple
to create. 

 

I have a books table, a contact table, and an author table. (I have others,
but they're not relevant to this discussion.) Books being the primary entity
- and the view displays all book data plus the author's name as a foreign
key value from the author table. The view also displays a list of contacts -
which is often blank. Some books have many contact records; some have none. 

 

I need a view that will display books with no contacts. It's been a long,
long time since I've done any serious Access work and I think I'd have used
a NOT EXISTS subquery to do this in a regular desktop database. Correct? 

 

So if "Susan's Guide To Using Access Web apps" is published but I've not
contacted Susan, I want a quick view that will list her book - not just this
one of course, but all books that I haven't initiated any contact with the
author yet. 

 

I can't seem to do this in a web app - there has to be a way to display
books that have no contacts yet. I hope I'm just making this too hard. 

 

Susan H. 


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon May 23 05:46:22 2016
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 06:46:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding
 records	without matching related records
In-Reply-To: <002f01d1b442$e5a60900$b0f21b00$@gmail.com>
References: <002101d1b442$62883570$2798a050$@gmail.com>
	<002f01d1b442$e5a60900$b0f21b00$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <86149DB6A020433F9B5A37A0D2F1AA34@XPS>

Susan,

 You will find the number of people using web apps to be very few and far
between.

 Microsoft has been taking a stab at web apps since 2007.  2010 was a
refinement of 2007.

 2013 was a complete reboot of the whole thing.  Since 2013, I know of
exactly four  developers that have taken a shot at them and that includes
you<g>.

 To my knowledge, there still remains only one web based Access app in the
windows store.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Susan Harkins
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 11:59 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
without matching related records

Criminy. nevermind..

 

I have no idea why the query I was using wasn't working, now it is.. Timing
I guess. Is anyone else having web app issues like this? I publish it, it
doesn't work. a few minutes later, I publish it again and it does? Just
me???? 

 

Susan H. 

 

 

Setup - I have a small Access web app tracking errata for a technical
publisher. As books are published, I entered a few details. After a few
months, I contact the author asking if we need to publish an errata list. A
web app is perfect because the other authors have access and it was simple
to create. 

 

I have a books table, a contact table, and an author table. (I have others,
but they're not relevant to this discussion.) Books being the primary entity
- and the view displays all book data plus the author's name as a foreign
key value from the author table. The view also displays a list of contacts -
which is often blank. Some books have many contact records; some have none. 

 

I need a view that will display books with no contacts. It's been a long,
long time since I've done any serious Access work and I think I'd have used
a NOT EXISTS subquery to do this in a regular desktop database. Correct? 

 

So if "Susan's Guide To Using Access Web apps" is published but I've not
contacted Susan, I want a quick view that will list her book - not just this
one of course, but all books that I haven't initiated any contact with the
author yet. 

 

I can't seem to do this in a web app - there has to be a way to display
books that have no contacts yet. I hope I'm just making this too hard. 

 

Susan H. 

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon May 23 06:14:28 2016
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 07:14:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding
	records	without matching related records
In-Reply-To: <86149DB6A020433F9B5A37A0D2F1AA34@XPS>
References: <002101d1b442$62883570$2798a050$@gmail.com>	<002f01d1b442$e5a60900$b0f21b00$@gmail.com>
	<86149DB6A020433F9B5A37A0D2F1AA34@XPS>
Message-ID: <007901d1b4e4$46723cd0$d356b670$@gmail.com>

Actually... 

If the 365 sub with SharePoint catches on, I can see Access web apps being
very useful. I'm already planning my next Salato app. 

As MS moves toward more mobile app support and collecting data in the field,
I can see Access Web apps filling a collection and viewing niche.  And, it's
certainly easier to use -- a few hours and you've working. That's a long way
from Access desktop. I realize there are other technologies, but Access Web
apps is easy. 

I don't think MS is doing a good job on pr. 

Susan H. 


Susan,

 You will find the number of people using web apps to be very few and far
between.

 Microsoft has been taking a stab at web apps since 2007.  2010 was a
refinement of 2007.

 2013 was a complete reboot of the whole thing.  Since 2013, I know of
exactly four  developers that have taken a shot at them and that includes
you<g>.

 To my knowledge, there still remains only one web based Access app in the
windows store.

Jim. 




From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon May 23 07:03:08 2016
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 08:03:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app --
 finding	records	without matching related records
In-Reply-To: <007901d1b4e4$46723cd0$d356b670$@gmail.com>
References: <002101d1b442$62883570$2798a050$@gmail.com>
	<002f01d1b442$e5a60900$b0f21b00$@gmail.com>
	<86149DB6A020433F9B5A37A0D2F1AA34@XPS>
	<007901d1b4e4$46723cd0$d356b670$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <22B312EA5CFB4053A080BE6255A40760@XPS>


Susan,

  While I agree on the simplicity:

A. It hasn't caught on....three years in and your hard pressed to find web
apps anywhere.

B. Reason - too limited.   There's not much you can do with web apps in the
their current form besides basic CRUD.   So yes their great for data
collection, but that's it.  No printing, reporting, e-mailing only within
your own domain, etc all limit the usefulness of web apps.

 So I would think twice about investing any real time or energy into web
apps as Microsoft doesn't seem to be going anywhere with it based on the
past two releases.  If you have something that fits well, such as doing data
collection, then go for it.

 But many companies are looking for true web based apps and in that regard,
Access Web Apps don't even come close.

Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 07:14 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
without matching related records

Actually... 

If the 365 sub with SharePoint catches on, I can see Access web apps being
very useful. I'm already planning my next Salato app. 

As MS moves toward more mobile app support and collecting data in the field,
I can see Access Web apps filling a collection and viewing niche.  And, it's
certainly easier to use -- a few hours and you've working. That's a long way
from Access desktop. I realize there are other technologies, but Access Web
apps is easy. 

I don't think MS is doing a good job on pr. 

Susan H. 


Susan,

 You will find the number of people using web apps to be very few and far
between.

 Microsoft has been taking a stab at web apps since 2007.  2010 was a
refinement of 2007.

 2013 was a complete reboot of the whole thing.  Since 2013, I know of
exactly four  developers that have taken a shot at them and that includes
you<g>.

 To my knowledge, there still remains only one web based Access app in the
windows store.

Jim. 



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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon May 23 07:15:08 2016
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 08:15:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app --
	finding	records	without matching related records
In-Reply-To: <22B312EA5CFB4053A080BE6255A40760@XPS>
References: <002101d1b442$62883570$2798a050$@gmail.com>	<002f01d1b442$e5a60900$b0f21b00$@gmail.com>	<86149DB6A020433F9B5A37A0D2F1AA34@XPS>	<007901d1b4e4$46723cd0$d356b670$@gmail.com>
	<22B312EA5CFB4053A080BE6255A40760@XPS>
Message-ID: <000701d1b4ec$bfb9c740$3f2d55c0$@gmail.com>


B. Reason - too limited.   There's not much you can do with web apps in the
their current form besides basic CRUD.   So yes their great for data
collection, but that's it.  No printing, reporting, e-mailing only within
your own domain, etc all limit the usefulness of web apps.

=========I guess I'm just living in a cave, but I'm not seeing many
full-service web apps -- the kind you speak of. :) I'm seeing people enter
data, get a bit of feedback and go their merry way until they do it again.
We have several full service web apps at  Salato -- Fish & Wildlife -- so I
know they're out there. We use one at the front desk, but it's...
development process was slow and it doesn't work the way it's supposed to,
but I don't blame the technology. The application and support sucks. Like
many government agencies, our IT department is ... no where near adequate to
support an entire agency. We have four people in IT. 

But, as you say -- there's no way I could build  what they're building with
Access Web apps - so you're right, there's no comparison if you need full
service. On the other hand, the small tasks that we need that they won't
even talk to us about -- those I can accomplish totally without their
support and input. 

 So I would think twice about investing any real time or energy into web
apps as Microsoft doesn't seem to be going anywhere with it based on the
past two releases.  If you have something that fits well, such as doing data
collection, then go for it.

=========I'm not investing anything but a little time. :) 

Susan H. 




From marksimms at verizon.net  Mon May 23 12:06:46 2016
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 13:06:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app --
 finding	records	without matching related records
In-Reply-To: <22B312EA5CFB4053A080BE6255A40760@XPS>
References: <002101d1b442$62883570$2798a050$@gmail.com>
	<002f01d1b442$e5a60900$b0f21b00$@gmail.com>
	<86149DB6A020433F9B5A37A0D2F1AA34@XPS>
	<007901d1b4e4$46723cd0$d356b670$@gmail.com>
	<22B312EA5CFB4053A080BE6255A40760@XPS>
Message-ID: <02ea01d1b515$7d2d8190$778884b0$@net>

Good responses Jim....and I have a client who is interested in moving to
Office 365 from Office Professional desktop.
I told them: CANNOT DO. They asked "Why not ?"
I said we have over 10,000 lines of VBA code in both MS Access and Excel
2010 to run their Portfolio Management application. This application has the
equivalent functionality of cloud-based solutions that would cost them
$15,000 per month based on their customer asset base !!

Now they are facing the awesome expense of converting the application to
dot-net (see my previous experiences with this).

Or they face the expense of purchasing BOTH Office 2016 Professional
($300/seat) AND Office 365.

What a mess MSFT has made here with dragging their feet on programmability
under Office 365.

See below: for Office 365, they FINALLY provide Javascript programmability
for Excel.
Nada, Zip, Zilch, Zed for MS Access. It'll likely never happen....it will
stay a stupid, macro-driven app.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 8:03 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
> without matching related records
>
>
> Susan,
>
>   While I agree on the simplicity:
>
> A. It hasn't caught on....three years in and your hard pressed to find
> web
> apps anywhere.
>
> B. Reason - too limited.   There's not much you can do with web apps in
> the
> their current form besides basic CRUD.   So yes their great for data
> collection, but that's it.  No printing, reporting, e-mailing only
> within
> your own domain, etc all limit the usefulness of web apps.
>
>  So I would think twice about investing any real time or energy into
> web
> apps as Microsoft doesn't seem to be going anywhere with it based on
> the
> past two releases.  If you have something that fits well, such as doing
> data
> collection, then go for it.
>
>  But many companies are looking for true web based apps and in that
> regard,
> Access Web Apps don't even come close.
>
> Jim.



From bensonforums at gmail.com  Mon May 23 13:08:04 2016
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 14:08:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Set the caption property
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_0RBKph6EgZ75h0md4OctqUjrFFVCisSoRBqTcMzzi0jA@mail.gmail.com>

BTW, tried to post this on Access-L and it was rejected by the "content
filter"

Having trouble with some fields in a query that pull against a sharepoint
list (2 actually, there are multiple joins). First, the query name does not
have values like TableX.FieldName, but the column headers always seem to.
This persists even if I alias the field name. So I thought (as I have seen
necessary with form controls) that I ought to use the Caption property of
the field.

As there are so many fields, I have tried to create and use a Caption
property for each field that is the same as the name, or any text to the
right of the name, using the code below. It seems like the Caption property
is read/write within the routine below, but making the new value "stick"..
well that is a problem. I don't see a Save method or the like. Can someone
help me modify the code to be more effective? It is a real pain to try to
do this manually and I think I will have many such queries I wish to do
this for.

Sub SetCaptions()
Dim Q As DAO.QueryDef
Dim fld As DAO.Field
Dim P As DAO.Property
Dim P1 As DAO.Property
Dim i As Long
Set Q = CurrentDb.QueryDefs("qry_Updates_Report")

For Each fld In Q.Fields
    On Error Resume Next
    Set P = Nothing
    Set P = fld.Properties("Caption")
    If P Is Nothing Then
        Set P = fld.CreateProperty("Caption", dbText, "Temp")
        fld.Properties.Append P
        FLD.Properties.Refresh
    End If
    i = 0
    For Each P1 In fld.Properties
        i = i + 1
        If i < 10 And P1.Name = "Name" Then
            If InStr(P1.Value, ".") > 0 Then
                P.Value = Mid(P1.Value, InStr(P1.Value, ".") + 1)
            Else
                P.Value = P1.Value
            End If
            fld.Properties.Refresh
            Exit For
        End If
    Next
Next


End Sub

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon May 23 13:10:39 2016
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 14:10:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app --
	finding	records	without matching related records
In-Reply-To: <02ea01d1b515$7d2d8190$778884b0$@net>
References: <002101d1b442$62883570$2798a050$@gmail.com>	<002f01d1b442$e5a60900$b0f21b00$@gmail.com>	<86149DB6A020433F9B5A37A0D2F1AA34@XPS>	<007901d1b4e4$46723cd0$d356b670$@gmail.com>	<22B312EA5CFB4053A080BE6255A40760@XPS>
	<02ea01d1b515$7d2d8190$778884b0$@net>
Message-ID: <004f01d1b51e$6a4cf610$3ee6e230$@gmail.com>

Why would they need desktop and 365? 

Susan H. 


Or they face the expense of purchasing BOTH Office 2016 Professional
($300/seat) AND Office 365.




From bensonforums at gmail.com  Mon May 23 14:45:32 2016
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 15:45:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Set the caption property
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_0RBKph6EgZ75h0md4OctqUjrFFVCisSoRBqTcMzzi0jA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJLzs_0RBKph6EgZ75h0md4OctqUjrFFVCisSoRBqTcMzzi0jA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_2wHnF8q2Pxh2EOdZ5O54ecGnqrkaU=Af7--UvyMrbuBg@mail.gmail.com>

I used Allan Brownes code which was purdy much like mine just more
versatile and it did not work either. Ended up setting all the captions by
hand. Grrr.

On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 2:08 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com> wrote:

> BTW, tried to post this on Access-L and it was rejected by the "content
> filter"
>
> Having trouble with some fields in a query that pull against a sharepoint
> list (2 actually, there are multiple joins). First, the query name does not
> have values like TableX.FieldName, but the column headers always seem to.
> This persists even if I alias the field name. So I thought (as I have seen
> necessary with form controls) that I ought to use the Caption property of
> the field.
>
> As there are so many fields, I have tried to create and use a Caption
> property for each field that is the same as the name, or any text to the
> right of the name, using the code below. It seems like the Caption property
> is read/write within the routine below, but making the new value "stick"..
> well that is a problem. I don't see a Save method or the like. Can someone
> help me modify the code to be more effective? It is a real pain to try to
> do this manually and I think I will have many such queries I wish to do
> this for.
>
> Sub SetCaptions()
> Dim Q As DAO.QueryDef
> Dim fld As DAO.Field
> Dim P As DAO.Property
> Dim P1 As DAO.Property
> Dim i As Long
> Set Q = CurrentDb.QueryDefs("qry_Updates_Report")
>
> For Each fld In Q.Fields
>     On Error Resume Next
>     Set P = Nothing
>     Set P = fld.Properties("Caption")
>     If P Is Nothing Then
>         Set P = fld.CreateProperty("Caption", dbText, "Temp")
>         fld.Properties.Append P
>         FLD.Properties.Refresh
>     End If
>     i = 0
>     For Each P1 In fld.Properties
>         i = i + 1
>         If i < 10 And P1.Name = "Name" Then
>             If InStr(P1.Value, ".") > 0 Then
>                 P.Value = Mid(P1.Value, InStr(P1.Value, ".") + 1)
>             Else
>                 P.Value = P1.Value
>             End If
>             fld.Properties.Refresh
>             Exit For
>         End If
>     Next
> Next
>
>
> End Sub
>

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Mon May 23 15:54:50 2016
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 13:54:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Set the caption property
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_2wHnF8q2Pxh2EOdZ5O54ecGnqrkaU=Af7--UvyMrbuBg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJLzs_0RBKph6EgZ75h0md4OctqUjrFFVCisSoRBqTcMzzi0jA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJLzs_2wHnF8q2Pxh2EOdZ5O54ecGnqrkaU=Af7--UvyMrbuBg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met8L-fhrR6-m0OUPzX0Z6weu-wNwycJ6E=Ti1feNLtK=fg@mail.gmail.com>

Bill,

The tables names will show up if you have names or captions that are the
same in both tables.  You can avoid the issue by only pulling one of the
fields into the query.


Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I used Allan Brownes code which was purdy much like mine just more
> versatile and it did not work either. Ended up setting all the captions by
> hand. Grrr.
>
> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 2:08 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > BTW, tried to post this on Access-L and it was rejected by the "content
> > filter"
> >
> > Having trouble with some fields in a query that pull against a sharepoint
> > list (2 actually, there are multiple joins). First, the query name does
> not
> > have values like TableX.FieldName, but the column headers always seem to.
> > This persists even if I alias the field name. So I thought (as I have
> seen
> > necessary with form controls) that I ought to use the Caption property of
> > the field.
> >
> > As there are so many fields, I have tried to create and use a Caption
> > property for each field that is the same as the name, or any text to the
> > right of the name, using the code below. It seems like the Caption
> property
> > is read/write within the routine below, but making the new value
> "stick"..
> > well that is a problem. I don't see a Save method or the like. Can
> someone
> > help me modify the code to be more effective? It is a real pain to try to
> > do this manually and I think I will have many such queries I wish to do
> > this for.
> >
> > Sub SetCaptions()
> > Dim Q As DAO.QueryDef
> > Dim fld As DAO.Field
> > Dim P As DAO.Property
> > Dim P1 As DAO.Property
> > Dim i As Long
> > Set Q = CurrentDb.QueryDefs("qry_Updates_Report")
> >
> > For Each fld In Q.Fields
> >     On Error Resume Next
> >     Set P = Nothing
> >     Set P = fld.Properties("Caption")
> >     If P Is Nothing Then
> >         Set P = fld.CreateProperty("Caption", dbText, "Temp")
> >         fld.Properties.Append P
> >         FLD.Properties.Refresh
> >     End If
> >     i = 0
> >     For Each P1 In fld.Properties
> >         i = i + 1
> >         If i < 10 And P1.Name = "Name" Then
> >             If InStr(P1.Value, ".") > 0 Then
> >                 P.Value = Mid(P1.Value, InStr(P1.Value, ".") + 1)
> >             Else
> >                 P.Value = P1.Value
> >             End If
> >             fld.Properties.Refresh
> >             Exit For
> >         End If
> >     Next
> > Next
> >
> >
> > End Sub
> >
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Mon May 23 19:42:35 2016
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 20:42:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Set the caption property
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met8L-fhrR6-m0OUPzX0Z6weu-wNwycJ6E=Ti1feNLtK=fg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJLzs_0RBKph6EgZ75h0md4OctqUjrFFVCisSoRBqTcMzzi0jA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJLzs_2wHnF8q2Pxh2EOdZ5O54ecGnqrkaU=Af7--UvyMrbuBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met8L-fhrR6-m0OUPzX0Z6weu-wNwycJ6E=Ti1feNLtK=fg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_0Bkwtg7MVV4POYVRKqdovmcnE76Vuy6AyzJQG4=2E_1Q@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks; The names are in both tables but I am aliasing appropriately. But
because it is sharepoint that is interfering with the aliasing. The query
is what it is, and the problem is sharepoint. The question in this thread
is can there be any other issues affecting setting the caption property
that anyone can think of. The code should be setting that property and it
is while VBA is running but not when checked later (or when the code is run
again, you can see it is back to no captions).

On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 4:54 PM, Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Bill,
>
> The tables names will show up if you have names or captions that are the
> same in both tables.  You can avoid the issue by only pulling one of the
> fields into the query.
>
>
> Charlotte Foust
> (916) 206-4336
>
> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I used Allan Brownes code which was purdy much like mine just more
> > versatile and it did not work either. Ended up setting all the captions
> by
> > hand. Grrr.
> >
> > On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 2:08 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > BTW, tried to post this on Access-L and it was rejected by the "content
> > > filter"
> > >
> > > Having trouble with some fields in a query that pull against a
> sharepoint
> > > list (2 actually, there are multiple joins). First, the query name does
> > not
> > > have values like TableX.FieldName, but the column headers always seem
> to.
> > > This persists even if I alias the field name. So I thought (as I have
> > seen
> > > necessary with form controls) that I ought to use the Caption property
> of
> > > the field.
> > >
> > > As there are so many fields, I have tried to create and use a Caption
> > > property for each field that is the same as the name, or any text to
> the
> > > right of the name, using the code below. It seems like the Caption
> > property
> > > is read/write within the routine below, but making the new value
> > "stick"..
> > > well that is a problem. I don't see a Save method or the like. Can
> > someone
> > > help me modify the code to be more effective? It is a real pain to try
> to
> > > do this manually and I think I will have many such queries I wish to do
> > > this for.
> > >
> > > Sub SetCaptions()
> > > Dim Q As DAO.QueryDef
> > > Dim fld As DAO.Field
> > > Dim P As DAO.Property
> > > Dim P1 As DAO.Property
> > > Dim i As Long
> > > Set Q = CurrentDb.QueryDefs("qry_Updates_Report")
> > >
> > > For Each fld In Q.Fields
> > >     On Error Resume Next
> > >     Set P = Nothing
> > >     Set P = fld.Properties("Caption")
> > >     If P Is Nothing Then
> > >         Set P = fld.CreateProperty("Caption", dbText, "Temp")
> > >         fld.Properties.Append P
> > >         FLD.Properties.Refresh
> > >     End If
> > >     i = 0
> > >     For Each P1 In fld.Properties
> > >         i = i + 1
> > >         If i < 10 And P1.Name = "Name" Then
> > >             If InStr(P1.Value, ".") > 0 Then
> > >                 P.Value = Mid(P1.Value, InStr(P1.Value, ".") + 1)
> > >             Else
> > >                 P.Value = P1.Value
> > >             End If
> > >             fld.Properties.Refresh
> > >             Exit For
> > >         End If
> > >     Next
> > > Next
> > >
> > >
> > > End Sub
> > >
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue May 24 10:13:20 2016
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 11:13:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app
 --	finding	records	without matching related records
In-Reply-To: <004f01d1b51e$6a4cf610$3ee6e230$@gmail.com>
References: <002101d1b442$62883570$2798a050$@gmail.com>
	<002f01d1b442$e5a60900$b0f21b00$@gmail.com>
	<86149DB6A020433F9B5A37A0D2F1AA34@XPS>
	<007901d1b4e4$46723cd0$d356b670$@gmail.com>
	<22B312EA5CFB4053A080BE6255A40760@XPS>	<02ea01d1b515$7d2d8190$778884b0$@net>
	<004f01d1b51e$6a4cf610$3ee6e230$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <013001d1b5ce$cf5d6570$6e183050$@net>

1) Office 365 does not support VBA.
2) Office 2016 will only install if all previous versions of Office are
uninstalled.
3) Office 365 Excel for the 2016 edition is now programmable in Javascript;
previous versions were not.
4) I believe MS Access 2010 run-time can be present when Office 2016 is
installed...not completely sure though.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 2:11 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
> without matching related records
>
> Why would they need desktop and 365?
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> Or they face the expense of purchasing BOTH Office 2016 Professional
> ($300/seat) AND Office 365.
>
>
>
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue May 24 10:33:37 2016
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 11:33:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app
 --	finding	records	without matching related records
In-Reply-To: <013001d1b5ce$cf5d6570$6e183050$@net>
References: <002101d1b442$62883570$2798a050$@gmail.com>
	<002f01d1b442$e5a60900$b0f21b00$@gmail.com>
	<86149DB6A020433F9B5A37A0D2F1AA34@XPS>
	<007901d1b4e4$46723cd0$d356b670$@gmail.com>
	<22B312EA5CFB4053A080BE6255A40760@XPS>	<02ea01d1b515$7d2d8190$778884b0$@net>
	<004f01d1b51e$6a4cf610$3ee6e230$@gmail.com>
	<013001d1b5ce$cf5d6570$6e183050$@net>
Message-ID: <8528ADF44CEF44A3A099CDB1B41DDE9F@XPS>

<<2) Office 2016 will only install if all previous versions of Office are
uninstalled.>>

 That's not quite correct.  There are situations where you cannot do this,
but if you have an MSI install of Office 2016, it will install alongside
previous versions.

 Where you get tripped up is if you have CLR (Click to Run), or have
standalone products (ie. Access) in past versions.  Then yes, you do have an
issue.

 But yeah, the writing is on the wall....your going to upgrade whether you
want to or not.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Mark Simms
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
without matching related records

1) Office 365 does not support VBA.
2) Office 2016 will only install if all previous versions of Office are
uninstalled.
3) Office 365 Excel for the 2016 edition is now programmable in Javascript;
previous versions were not.
4) I believe MS Access 2010 run-time can be present when Office 2016 is
installed...not completely sure though.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 2:11 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
> without matching related records
>
> Why would they need desktop and 365?
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> Or they face the expense of purchasing BOTH Office 2016 Professional
> ($300/seat) AND Office 365.
>
>
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue May 24 12:04:49 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 10:04:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] DLookup vs FindFirst
Message-ID: <56D1A38751AB4A03B2096A2644EA56E0@HAL9007>

Dear List:
 
Importing a csv file 50k-100k rows.  I have to get an PK from a related
table.  Which would be faster - DLookup or FindFirst in a DAO recordset?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 

From jbodin at sbor.com  Tue May 24 12:26:19 2016
From: jbodin at sbor.com (John Bodin)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 17:26:19 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] DLookup vs FindFirst
In-Reply-To: <56D1A38751AB4A03B2096A2644EA56E0@HAL9007>
References: <56D1A38751AB4A03B2096A2644EA56E0@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <BN1PR0401MB1011510A33979A41A62A6AE9BD4F0@BN1PR0401MB1011.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Rocky, assuming the table you need to do the lookup in is a Linked Access table, I would open the table using the below code (there are multiple variants out there on the web) which will allow you to use the lightning fast Seek method.   You will need an index in the related table on what you are Seeking on.   Much faster than either method you mention. 

http://access.mvps.org/access/tables/tbl0006.htm


John

John Bodin
sBOR Office Systems
jbodin at sbor.com


________________________________________
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 1:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] DLookup vs FindFirst

Dear List:

Importing a csv file 50k-100k rows.  I have to get an PK from a related
table.  Which would be faster - DLookup or FindFirst in a DAO recordset?

MTIA

Rocky

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue May 24 12:36:09 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 10:36:09 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] DLookup vs FindFirst
In-Reply-To: <BN1PR0401MB1011510A33979A41A62A6AE9BD4F0@BN1PR0401MB1011.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56D1A38751AB4A03B2096A2644EA56E0@HAL9007>
	<BN1PR0401MB1011510A33979A41A62A6AE9BD4F0@BN1PR0401MB1011.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <C0CF403B4AAD497687E48B642267069F@HAL9007>

Thanks.  Seek is the fastest.  Haven't used it for years, though.

Best,

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
John Bodin
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 10:26 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DLookup vs FindFirst

Rocky, assuming the table you need to do the lookup in is a Linked Access
table, I would open the table using the below code (there are multiple
variants out there on the web) which will allow you to use the lightning
fast Seek method.   You will need an index in the related table on what you
are Seeking on.   Much faster than either method you mention. 

http://access.mvps.org/access/tables/tbl0006.htm


John

John Bodin
sBOR Office Systems
jbodin at sbor.com


________________________________________
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of Rocky
Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 1:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] DLookup vs FindFirst

Dear List:

Importing a csv file 50k-100k rows.  I have to get an PK from a related
table.  Which would be faster - DLookup or FindFirst in a DAO recordset?

MTIA

Rocky

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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Tue May 24 13:10:01 2016
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 18:10:01 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] MS access shaky
Message-ID: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB29467FB4@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>

Our IT department is trying to say MS Access is a shaky platform. I like access and don't agree with them. Anyone have any good comments?

From Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com  Tue May 24 13:17:26 2016
From: Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com (Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 18:17:26 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] MS access shaky
In-Reply-To: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB29467FB4@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB29467FB4@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <074E01FF8433644D823218D61A1D4C585ACFC3F7@MSGEXSV21132.ent.wfb.bank.corp>

I developed in Access exclusively from 1997 to 2006.  I still think it is an amazing tool.

That said, many shaky people get hold of it and build atrocities.

Liz

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 1:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] MS access shaky

Our IT department is trying to say MS Access is a shaky platform. I like access and don't agree with them. Anyone have any good comments?
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Tue May 24 13:18:18 2016
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 11:18:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] MS access shaky
In-Reply-To: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB29467FB4@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB29467FB4@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9=HMDkriKEUUVoyspbZERQJ=RrJY8DH7dORyYrB6gcoA@mail.gmail.com>

Have you asked them to clarify that statement.  I've just been intercepting
similar suggestions in trying to prepare to move Access mdbs from Windows
Servers to a Linux-based Isilon server.  The problems we found were
primarily because of differences on permission handling between the two
platforms, but we had to go through all kinds of test cases to prove that
to them.


Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 11:10 AM, Kaup, Chester <
Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com> wrote:

> Our IT department is trying to say MS Access is a shaky platform. I like
> access and don't agree with them. Anyone have any good comments?
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From RRANTHON at sentara.com  Tue May 24 13:21:41 2016
From: RRANTHON at sentara.com (RANDALL R ANTHONY)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 18:21:41 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] MS access shaky
In-Reply-To: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB29467FB4@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB29467FB4@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <E735A4A486B97B468F2A0A507B26CBB001FEA11B@EXCMBS013.corp.ad.sentara.com>

It can be from their perspective, we have a number of Access DBs that the code behind gets slicked every now and then due to virus checkers...  Quite annoying.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 2:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] MS access shaky

Our IT department is trying to say MS Access is a shaky platform. I like access and don't agree with them. Anyone have any good comments?
-- 
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
.



From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Tue May 24 13:24:25 2016
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 19:24:25 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] MS access shaky
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9=HMDkriKEUUVoyspbZERQJ=RrJY8DH7dORyYrB6gcoA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB29467FB4@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
	<CAH+Met9=HMDkriKEUUVoyspbZERQJ=RrJY8DH7dORyYrB6gcoA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALGJE95-bTfDbzrf1E+6bUmKqihCuVvNEeg1wm2rRmW5q2afuA@mail.gmail.com>

I personally no longer develop in Access but I think in the right
environment there is nothing wrong with it, the application will only be as
shaky as the developer
On 24 May 2016 19:19, "Charlotte Foust" <charlotte.foust at gmail.com> wrote:

> Have you asked them to clarify that statement.  I've just been intercepting
> similar suggestions in trying to prepare to move Access mdbs from Windows
> Servers to a Linux-based Isilon server.  The problems we found were
> primarily because of differences on permission handling between the two
> platforms, but we had to go through all kinds of test cases to prove that
> to them.
>
>
> Charlotte Foust
> (916) 206-4336
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 11:10 AM, Kaup, Chester <
> Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com> wrote:
>
> > Our IT department is trying to say MS Access is a shaky platform. I like
> > access and don't agree with them. Anyone have any good comments?
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From dbdoug at gmail.com  Tue May 24 13:34:33 2016
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 11:34:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] MS access shaky
In-Reply-To: <CALGJE95-bTfDbzrf1E+6bUmKqihCuVvNEeg1wm2rRmW5q2afuA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB29467FB4@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
	<CAH+Met9=HMDkriKEUUVoyspbZERQJ=RrJY8DH7dORyYrB6gcoA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALGJE95-bTfDbzrf1E+6bUmKqihCuVvNEeg1wm2rRmW5q2afuA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFa8Nkg-ybNWSTL+EgoJLsoA9dVr1JH3XsjG4A_yPDSLwRy=yw@mail.gmail.com>

Much as I have loved working in Access over the years, I've suffered
through many panicked clients' data corruption issues.  I had one last week
where a client lost all data later than 2014 after a compact and repair.
Fortunately they had taken my advice to back up first!

The one client who I converted to a SQL Server back end has had no
corruption problems in maybe 5 years. Pretty well all errors since then
have been directly attributable to me!

Doug

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 11:24 AM, Paul Hartland <
paul.hartland at googlemail.com> wrote:

> I personally no longer develop in Access but I think in the right
> environment there is nothing wrong with it, the application will only be as
> shaky as the developer
> On 24 May 2016 19:19, "Charlotte Foust" <charlotte.foust at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Have you asked them to clarify that statement.  I've just been
> intercepting
> > similar suggestions in trying to prepare to move Access mdbs from Windows
> > Servers to a Linux-based Isilon server.  The problems we found were
> > primarily because of differences on permission handling between the two
> > platforms, but we had to go through all kinds of test cases to prove that
> > to them.
> >
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> > (916) 206-4336
> >
> > On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 11:10 AM, Kaup, Chester <
> > Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Our IT department is trying to say MS Access is a shaky platform. I
> like
> > > access and don't agree with them. Anyone have any good comments?
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue May 24 14:57:41 2016
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 15:57:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MS access shaky
In-Reply-To: <CAFa8Nkg-ybNWSTL+EgoJLsoA9dVr1JH3XsjG4A_yPDSLwRy=yw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB29467FB4@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
	<CAH+Met9=HMDkriKEUUVoyspbZERQJ=RrJY8DH7dORyYrB6gcoA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALGJE95-bTfDbzrf1E+6bUmKqihCuVvNEeg1wm2rRmW5q2afuA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFa8Nkg-ybNWSTL+EgoJLsoA9dVr1JH3XsjG4A_yPDSLwRy=yw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01c001d1b5f6$8811b860$98352920$@net>

Interesting Doug....I've never, ever had a data corruption issue since the
2007 release thru 2013.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Doug Steele
> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 2:35 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MS access shaky
>
> Much as I have loved working in Access over the years, I've suffered
> through many panicked clients' data corruption issues.  I had one last
> week
> where a client lost all data later than 2014 after a compact and
> repair.
> Fortunately they had taken my advice to back up first!
>
> The one client who I converted to a SQL Server back end has had no
> corruption problems in maybe 5 years. Pretty well all errors since then
> have been directly attributable to me!
>
> Doug



From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue May 24 15:00:32 2016
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 16:00:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MS access shaky
In-Reply-To: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB29467FB4@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB29467FB4@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <01c101d1b5f6$ee110490$ca330db0$@net>

It's only because a decent Access developer can make their Java or Dot-net
developers.....look sloooow...and pathetic.
This is strictly a territorial issue.....
as Access infringes on their ability to justify huge development budgets.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Kaup, Chester
> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 2:10 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] MS access shaky
>
> Our IT department is trying to say MS Access is a shaky platform. I
> like access and don't agree with them. Anyone have any good comments?
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue May 24 15:27:30 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 06:27:30 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] MS access shaky
In-Reply-To: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB29467FB4@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB29467FB4@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <5744B932.28376.8C02D44@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I'm still doing a lot of Access work including for a couple of fairly large organisations with 
many users of my systems.   

Remember, Access is two things in one - a data engine and an application development 
environment.

There is nothing shaky about Access as a FE - it is a brilliant RAD tool,

There can be problems in some situations with Access as a data engine .  Primarily the result 
of lots of concurrent data entry into the same BE database and  flaky  wireless networks 
connections.      

For a limited number of users and primarily data extraction, it is solid.

If the concern is about the data engine, look at using SQL Server as the BE to an Access FE, 
you get the best of both worlds.  (And it is free if the Express version is sufficient)

If the concern is about the FE, it is a non  issue.

-- 
Stuart
    

On 24 May 2016 at 18:10, Kaup, Chester wrote:

> Our IT department is trying to say MS Access is a shaky platform. I
> like access and don't agree with them. Anyone have any good comments?
> -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website:
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From lmrazek at lcm-res.com  Tue May 24 15:35:42 2016
From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com (Lawrence Mrazek)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 15:35:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MS access shaky
In-Reply-To: <5744B932.28376.8C02D44@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB29467FB4@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
	<5744B932.28376.8C02D44@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAAiUzaS4Lf4Avz0DOOZXy294vTopyBiwZjuA=e1_AHmV=19W9Q@mail.gmail.com>

Quick question for the list. For those of you who are using Access with
SQL, are you using ODBC or still using the old ADP format with Access 2010?

Just wondering, as we're encountering both scenarios, and are wondering
when the

Larry Mrazek
lmrazek at lcm-res.com

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
wrote:

> I'm still doing a lot of Access work including for a couple of fairly
> large organisations with
> many users of my systems.
>
> Remember, Access is two things in one - a data engine and an application
> development
> environment.
>
> There is nothing shaky about Access as a FE - it is a brilliant RAD tool,
>
> There can be problems in some situations with Access as a data engine .
> Primarily the result
> of lots of concurrent data entry into the same BE database and  flaky
> wireless networks
> connections.
>
> For a limited number of users and primarily data extraction, it is solid.
>
> If the concern is about the data engine, look at using SQL Server as the
> BE to an Access FE,
> you get the best of both worlds.  (And it is free if the Express version
> is sufficient)
>
> If the concern is about the FE, it is a non  issue.
>
> --
> Stuart
>
>
> On 24 May 2016 at 18:10, Kaup, Chester wrote:
>
> > Our IT department is trying to say MS Access is a shaky platform. I
> > like access and don't agree with them. Anyone have any good comments?
> > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website:
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Larry Mrazek
lmrazek at lcm-res.com

From dbdoug at gmail.com  Tue May 24 15:40:34 2016
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 13:40:34 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] MS access shaky
In-Reply-To: <CAAiUzaS4Lf4Avz0DOOZXy294vTopyBiwZjuA=e1_AHmV=19W9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB29467FB4@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
	<5744B932.28376.8C02D44@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAAiUzaS4Lf4Avz0DOOZXy294vTopyBiwZjuA=e1_AHmV=19W9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFa8Nkia0RwRtgq2fMxsJPUPSTc8asj=ajTMOs9dwhW8e4-xxA@mail.gmail.com>

ODBC for connecting to SQL Server.  I use a few stored procedures to
generate views when I run into complex recordsets that are slow to create
in Access.

Doug

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Lawrence Mrazek <lmrazek at lcm-res.com>
wrote:

> Quick question for the list. For those of you who are using Access with
> SQL, are you using ODBC or still using the old ADP format with Access 2010?
>
> Just wondering, as we're encountering both scenarios, and are wondering
> when the
>
> Larry Mrazek
> lmrazek at lcm-res.com
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> wrote:
>
> > I'm still doing a lot of Access work including for a couple of fairly
> > large organisations with
> > many users of my systems.
> >
> > Remember, Access is two things in one - a data engine and an application
> > development
> > environment.
> >
> > There is nothing shaky about Access as a FE - it is a brilliant RAD tool,
> >
> > There can be problems in some situations with Access as a data engine .
> > Primarily the result
> > of lots of concurrent data entry into the same BE database and  flaky
> > wireless networks
> > connections.
> >
> > For a limited number of users and primarily data extraction, it is solid.
> >
> > If the concern is about the data engine, look at using SQL Server as the
> > BE to an Access FE,
> > you get the best of both worlds.  (And it is free if the Express version
> > is sufficient)
> >
> > If the concern is about the FE, it is a non  issue.
> >
> > --
> > Stuart
> >
> >
> > On 24 May 2016 at 18:10, Kaup, Chester wrote:
> >
> > > Our IT department is trying to say MS Access is a shaky platform. I
> > > like access and don't agree with them. Anyone have any good comments?
> > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website:
> > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Larry Mrazek
> lmrazek at lcm-res.com
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue May 24 16:17:52 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 07:17:52 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] MS access shaky
In-Reply-To: <CAAiUzaS4Lf4Avz0DOOZXy294vTopyBiwZjuA=e1_AHmV=19W9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB29467FB4@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>,
	<5744B932.28376.8C02D44@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<CAAiUzaS4Lf4Avz0DOOZXy294vTopyBiwZjuA=e1_AHmV=19W9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5744C500.12776.8EE492E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I  use ODBC with as many views and stored procedures as possible to do the heavy lifting on 
the server.



On 24 May 2016 at 15:35, Lawrence Mrazek wrote:

> Quick question for the list. For those of you who are using Access
> with SQL, are you using ODBC or still using the old ADP format with
> Access 2010?
> 
> Just wondering, as we're encountering both scenarios, and are
> wondering when the
> 
> Larry Mrazek
> lmrazek at lcm-res.com
> 
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Stuart McLachlan
> <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:
> 
> > I'm still doing a lot of Access work including for a couple of
> > fairly large organisations with many users of my systems.
> >
> > Remember, Access is two things in one - a data engine and an
> > application development environment.
> >
> > There is nothing shaky about Access as a FE - it is a brilliant RAD
> > tool,
> >
> > There can be problems in some situations with Access as a data
> > engine . Primarily the result of lots of concurrent data entry into
> > the same BE database and  flaky wireless networks connections.
> >
> > For a limited number of users and primarily data extraction, it is
> > solid.
> >
> > If the concern is about the data engine, look at using SQL Server as
> > the BE to an Access FE, you get the best of both worlds.  (And it is
> > free if the Express version is sufficient)
> >
> > If the concern is about the FE, it is a non  issue.
> >
> > --
> > Stuart
> >
> >
> > On 24 May 2016 at 18:10, Kaup, Chester wrote:
> >
> > > Our IT department is trying to say MS Access is a shaky platform.
> > > I like access and don't agree with them. Anyone have any good
> > > comments? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website:
> > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Larry Mrazek
> lmrazek at lcm-res.com
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue May 24 16:58:13 2016
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 17:58:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app
	--	finding	records	without matching related records
In-Reply-To: <013001d1b5ce$cf5d6570$6e183050$@net>
References: <002101d1b442$62883570$2798a050$@gmail.com>	<002f01d1b442$e5a60900$b0f21b00$@gmail.com>	<86149DB6A020433F9B5A37A0D2F1AA34@XPS>	<007901d1b4e4$46723cd0$d356b670$@gmail.com>	<22B312EA5CFB4053A080BE6255A40760@XPS>	<02ea01d1b515$7d2d8190$778884b0$@net>	<004f01d1b51e$6a4cf610$3ee6e230$@gmail.com>
	<013001d1b5ce$cf5d6570$6e183050$@net>
Message-ID: <008801d1b607$5f5a6140$1e0f23c0$@gmail.com>

I still don't understand -- but don't worry about it. :) Thanks!

Susan H. 


1) Office 365 does not support VBA.
2) Office 2016 will only install if all previous versions of Office are
uninstalled.
3) Office 365 Excel for the 2016 edition is now programmable in Javascript;
previous versions were not.
4) I believe MS Access 2010 run-time can be present when Office 2016 is
installed...not completely sure though.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 2:11 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records 
> without matching related records
>
> Why would they need desktop and 365?
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> Or they face the expense of purchasing BOTH Office 2016 Professional
> ($300/seat) AND Office 365.
>
>
>
> --
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue May 24 18:00:36 2016
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 19:00:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MS access shaky
In-Reply-To: <CAFa8Nkia0RwRtgq2fMxsJPUPSTc8asj=ajTMOs9dwhW8e4-xxA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB29467FB4@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
	<5744B932.28376.8C02D44@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAAiUzaS4Lf4Avz0DOOZXy294vTopyBiwZjuA=e1_AHmV=19W9Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFa8Nkia0RwRtgq2fMxsJPUPSTc8asj=ajTMOs9dwhW8e4-xxA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <023601d1b610$15e02c80$41a08580$@net>

Doug - that sounds like a lot of overhead.
Why don't you instead create a set of stored functions that returns tables ?


> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Doug Steele
> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:41 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MS access shaky
>
> ODBC for connecting to SQL Server.  I use a few stored procedures to
> generate views when I run into complex recordsets that are slow to
> create
> in Access.
>
> Doug



From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue May 24 18:03:01 2016
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 19:03:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MS access shaky
In-Reply-To: <5744C500.12776.8EE492E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB29467FB4@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>,
	<5744B932.28376.8C02D44@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<CAAiUzaS4Lf4Avz0DOOZXy294vTopyBiwZjuA=e1_AHmV=19W9Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<5744C500.12776.8EE492E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <023701d1b610$6cc9ee00$465dca00$@net>

Yeah, but Views don't provide for parameters. Their flexibility is limited.
On top of that, stored procedures cannot return tables unless they are
created as functions with a table return object type.

> I  use ODBC with as many views and stored procedures as possible to do
> the heavy lifting on
> the server.



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue May 24 18:14:46 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 09:14:46 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] MS access shaky
In-Reply-To: <023701d1b610$6cc9ee00$465dca00$@net>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB29467FB4@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>,
	<5744C500.12776.8EE492E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<023701d1b610$6cc9ee00$465dca00$@net>
Message-ID: <5744E066.23744.95950BF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I've never needed a table type recordset from SQL Server that is not an actual table in the 
database.

How do you use them?  

-- 
Stuart

On 24 May 2016 at 19:03, Mark Simms wrote:

> Yeah, but Views don't provide for parameters. Their flexibility is
> limited. On top of that, stored procedures cannot return tables unless
> they are created as functions with a table return object type.
> 
> > I  use ODBC with as many views and stored procedures as possible to
> > do the heavy lifting on the server.
> 
> 
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> 



From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue May 24 18:18:35 2016
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 19:18:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Office 365 vs. Office Desktop
In-Reply-To: <008801d1b607$5f5a6140$1e0f23c0$@gmail.com>
References: <002101d1b442$62883570$2798a050$@gmail.com>
	<002f01d1b442$e5a60900$b0f21b00$@gmail.com>
	<86149DB6A020433F9B5A37A0D2F1AA34@XPS>
	<007901d1b4e4$46723cd0$d356b670$@gmail.com>
	<22B312EA5CFB4053A080BE6255A40760@XPS>	<02ea01d1b515$7d2d8190$778884b0$@net>
	<004f01d1b51e$6a4cf610$3ee6e230$@gmail.com>
	<013001d1b5ce$cf5d6570$6e183050$@net>
	<008801d1b607$5f5a6140$1e0f23c0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <023801d1b612$98ff74c0$cafe5e40$@net>

My client decided to go with a $20 per month per seat licensing option by
Microsoft that permits BOTH Office 365 and Office 2016 Desktop
licenses.....with multiple installs allowed for each user (home, office,
laptop, etc).
I was surprised to see how flexible AND aggressive the Office licensing fee
has become !!!
(Of course, it changes practically EVERY YEAR)

So for $2,400 per year for 10 users, that is a pretty good deal, no ? This
is relative to the $170,000 per year fees for a comparable cloud-based
service.

My job in the upgrade is to insure that all DLL library calls are made to be
64 bit compatible.
And there are a TON of them. One of the modules supports a complex,
custom-made FTP function by which the client can download their client's
account information daily.
I am likely to build this out by checking the WIN64 compiler variable so
that it is backwards compatible with the 32bit calls. VBA7=True is now a
"given".

In addition, there are complex Ribbon libraries which must be tested in the
new release.
That scares me the most.....as I discovered the Callbacks from the Ribbon
were buggy upon initialization.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 5:58 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
> without matching related records
>
> I still don't understand -- but don't worry about it. :) Thanks!
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> 1) Office 365 does not support VBA.
> 2) Office 2016 will only install if all previous versions of Office are
> uninstalled.
> 3) Office 365 Excel for the 2016 edition is now programmable in
> Javascript;
> previous versions were not.
> 4) I believe MS Access 2010 run-time can be present when Office 2016 is
> installed...not completely sure though.
>



From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue May 24 18:23:26 2016
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 23:23:26 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] MS access shaky
In-Reply-To: <CAAiUzaS4Lf4Avz0DOOZXy294vTopyBiwZjuA=e1_AHmV=19W9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB29467FB4@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
	<5744B932.28376.8C02D44@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAAiUzaS4Lf4Avz0DOOZXy294vTopyBiwZjuA=e1_AHmV=19W9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SY3PR01MB0825C90C54254D9CDD956C3AFC4F0@SY3PR01MB0825.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>

Always ODBC.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Mrazek
Sent: 25 May, 2016 6:36 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MS access shaky

Quick question for the list. For those of you who are using Access with SQL, are you using ODBC or still using the old ADP format with Access 2010?

Just wondering, as we're encountering both scenarios, and are wondering when the

Larry Mrazek
lmrazek at lcm-res.com

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
wrote:

> I'm still doing a lot of Access work including for a couple of fairly 
> large organisations with many users of my systems.
>
> Remember, Access is two things in one - a data engine and an 
> application development environment.
>
> There is nothing shaky about Access as a FE - it is a brilliant RAD 
> tool,
>
> There can be problems in some situations with Access as a data engine .
> Primarily the result
> of lots of concurrent data entry into the same BE database and  flaky 
> wireless networks connections.
>
> For a limited number of users and primarily data extraction, it is solid.
>
> If the concern is about the data engine, look at using SQL Server as 
> the BE to an Access FE, you get the best of both worlds.  (And it is 
> free if the Express version is sufficient)
>
> If the concern is about the FE, it is a non  issue.
>
> --
> Stuart
>
>
> On 24 May 2016 at 18:10, Kaup, Chester wrote:
>
> > Our IT department is trying to say MS Access is a shaky platform. I 
> > like access and don't agree with them. Anyone have any good comments?
> > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website:
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue May 24 18:25:51 2016
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 23:25:51 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Help with an Access web
 app	--	finding	records	without matching related records
In-Reply-To: <008801d1b607$5f5a6140$1e0f23c0$@gmail.com>
References: <002101d1b442$62883570$2798a050$@gmail.com>
	<002f01d1b442$e5a60900$b0f21b00$@gmail.com>
	<86149DB6A020433F9B5A37A0D2F1AA34@XPS>
	<007901d1b4e4$46723cd0$d356b670$@gmail.com>
	<22B312EA5CFB4053A080BE6255A40760@XPS>	<02ea01d1b515$7d2d8190$778884b0$@net>
	<004f01d1b51e$6a4cf610$3ee6e230$@gmail.com>
	<013001d1b5ce$cf5d6570$6e183050$@net>
	<008801d1b607$5f5a6140$1e0f23c0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SY3PR01MB08250B1F5FF489935B743C66FC4F0@SY3PR01MB0825.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>

Office 365 is the same name for many different products Susan.

See:
<<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_365#Comparison>>

Choose your poison.  The online only version of office 365 is a somewhat different beast to the other versions.

MS Marketing as usual has caused a lot of confusion here.

Cheers
Darryl.


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: 25 May, 2016 7:58 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records without matching related records

I still don't understand -- but don't worry about it. :) Thanks!

Susan H. 


1) Office 365 does not support VBA.
2) Office 2016 will only install if all previous versions of Office are uninstalled.
3) Office 365 Excel for the 2016 edition is now programmable in Javascript; previous versions were not.
4) I believe MS Access 2010 run-time can be present when Office 2016 is installed...not completely sure though.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 2:11 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records 
> without matching related records
>
> Why would they need desktop and 365?
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> Or they face the expense of purchasing BOTH Office 2016 Professional
> ($300/seat) AND Office 365.
>
>
>
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue May 24 18:27:38 2016
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 23:27:38 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Office 365 vs. Office Desktop
In-Reply-To: <023801d1b612$98ff74c0$cafe5e40$@net>
References: <002101d1b442$62883570$2798a050$@gmail.com>
	<002f01d1b442$e5a60900$b0f21b00$@gmail.com>
	<86149DB6A020433F9B5A37A0D2F1AA34@XPS>
	<007901d1b4e4$46723cd0$d356b670$@gmail.com>
	<22B312EA5CFB4053A080BE6255A40760@XPS>	<02ea01d1b515$7d2d8190$778884b0$@net>
	<004f01d1b51e$6a4cf610$3ee6e230$@gmail.com>
	<013001d1b5ce$cf5d6570$6e183050$@net>
	<008801d1b607$5f5a6140$1e0f23c0$@gmail.com>
	<023801d1b612$98ff74c0$cafe5e40$@net>
Message-ID: <SY3PR01MB0825D50D40E754F9BA5D210EFC4F0@SY3PR01MB0825.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>

Yes, In Oz you can get the Home / Small bus version which has the full office suite (for desktop and online) including Outlook and Access for around $120 a year for 5 installs.  Not bad.



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: 25 May, 2016 9:19 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 365 vs. Office Desktop

My client decided to go with a $20 per month per seat licensing option by Microsoft that permits BOTH Office 365 and Office 2016 Desktop licenses.....with multiple installs allowed for each user (home, office, laptop, etc).
I was surprised to see how flexible AND aggressive the Office licensing fee has become !!!
(Of course, it changes practically EVERY YEAR)

So for $2,400 per year for 10 users, that is a pretty good deal, no ? This is relative to the $170,000 per year fees for a comparable cloud-based service.

My job in the upgrade is to insure that all DLL library calls are made to be
64 bit compatible.
And there are a TON of them. One of the modules supports a complex, custom-made FTP function by which the client can download their client's account information daily.
I am likely to build this out by checking the WIN64 compiler variable so that it is backwards compatible with the 32bit calls. VBA7=True is now a "given".

In addition, there are complex Ribbon libraries which must be tested in the new release.
That scares me the most.....as I discovered the Callbacks from the Ribbon were buggy upon initialization.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 5:58 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records 
> without matching related records
>
> I still don't understand -- but don't worry about it. :) Thanks!
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> 1) Office 365 does not support VBA.
> 2) Office 2016 will only install if all previous versions of Office 
> are uninstalled.
> 3) Office 365 Excel for the 2016 edition is now programmable in 
> Javascript; previous versions were not.
> 4) I believe MS Access 2010 run-time can be present when Office 2016 
> is installed...not completely sure though.
>


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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue May 24 18:30:15 2016
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 19:30:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Office 365 vs. Office Desktop
In-Reply-To: <023801d1b612$98ff74c0$cafe5e40$@net>
References: <002101d1b442$62883570$2798a050$@gmail.com>	<002f01d1b442$e5a60900$b0f21b00$@gmail.com>	<86149DB6A020433F9B5A37A0D2F1AA34@XPS>	<007901d1b4e4$46723cd0$d356b670$@gmail.com>	<22B312EA5CFB4053A080BE6255A40760@XPS>	<02ea01d1b515$7d2d8190$778884b0$@net>	<004f01d1b51e$6a4cf610$3ee6e230$@gmail.com>	<013001d1b5ce$cf5d6570$6e183050$@net>	<008801d1b607$5f5a6140$1e0f23c0$@gmail.com>
	<023801d1b612$98ff74c0$cafe5e40$@net>
Message-ID: <003001d1b614$3ac2c860$b0485920$@gmail.com>

I'm glad -- this has been my experience. I'm alone, but my 365 Enterprise 3
subscription offers more than I'll ever need. I pay $22 (that includes tax)
for 2016 desktop, 365, SharePoint, OneDrive for Business (which I'm not
using) and more. I'm as pleased as punch. Before, I'd have pay a ton for the
same. In fact, cost is the main reason I didn't move forward several years
back. Now... I'm rethinking things a bit. 

I can't help you with the rest, but I was surprised at the original premise
that a 365 sub with 2016 Professional was going to be cost prohibitive. 

Susan H. 

My client decided to go with a $20 per month per seat licensing option by
Microsoft that permits BOTH Office 365 and Office 2016 Desktop
licenses.....with multiple installs allowed for each user (home, office,
laptop, etc).
I was surprised to see how flexible AND aggressive the Office licensing fee
has become !!!
(Of course, it changes practically EVERY YEAR)

So for $2,400 per year for 10 users, that is a pretty good deal, no ? This
is relative to the $170,000 per year fees for a comparable cloud-based
service.

My job in the upgrade is to insure that all DLL library calls are made to be
64 bit compatible.
And there are a TON of them. One of the modules supports a complex,
custom-made FTP function by which the client can download their client's
account information daily.
I am likely to build this out by checking the WIN64 compiler variable so
that it is backwards compatible with the 32bit calls. VBA7=True is now a
"given".

In addition, there are complex Ribbon libraries which must be tested in the
new release.
That scares me the most.....as I discovered the Callbacks from the Ribbon
were buggy upon initialization.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 5:58 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records 
> without matching related records
>
> I still don't understand -- but don't worry about it. :) Thanks!
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> 1) Office 365 does not support VBA.
> 2) Office 2016 will only install if all previous versions of Office 
> are uninstalled.
> 3) Office 365 Excel for the 2016 edition is now programmable in 
> Javascript; previous versions were not.
> 4) I believe MS Access 2010 run-time can be present when Office 2016 
> is installed...not completely sure though.
>


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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Tue May 24 18:42:45 2016
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 19:42:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MS access shaky
In-Reply-To: <SY3PR01MB0825C90C54254D9CDD956C3AFC4F0@SY3PR01MB0825.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB29467FB4@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
	<5744B932.28376.8C02D44@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAAiUzaS4Lf4Avz0DOOZXy294vTopyBiwZjuA=e1_AHmV=19W9Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<SY3PR01MB0825C90C54254D9CDD956C3AFC4F0@SY3PR01MB0825.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAshcgcvxWTMp9QfriG0DerjQHrFBttXL-LZcNCPyOHryQ@mail.gmail.com>

Some comments here
http://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=286858
, and if you look  at links at the bottom of the page, you'll notice this
question goes back more than 10 years.

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 7:23 PM, Darryl Collins <
darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> Always ODBC.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Lawrence Mrazek
> Sent: 25 May, 2016 6:36 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MS access shaky
>
> Quick question for the list. For those of you who are using Access with
> SQL, are you using ODBC or still using the old ADP format with Access 2010?
>
> Just wondering, as we're encountering both scenarios, and are wondering
> when the
>
> Larry Mrazek
> lmrazek at lcm-res.com
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> wrote:
>
> > I'm still doing a lot of Access work including for a couple of fairly
> > large organisations with many users of my systems.
> >
> > Remember, Access is two things in one - a data engine and an
> > application development environment.
> >
> > There is nothing shaky about Access as a FE - it is a brilliant RAD
> > tool,
> >
> > There can be problems in some situations with Access as a data engine .
> > Primarily the result
> > of lots of concurrent data entry into the same BE database and  flaky
> > wireless networks connections.
> >
> > For a limited number of users and primarily data extraction, it is solid.
> >
> > If the concern is about the data engine, look at using SQL Server as
> > the BE to an Access FE, you get the best of both worlds.  (And it is
> > free if the Express version is sufficient)
> >
> > If the concern is about the FE, it is a non  issue.
> >
> > --
> > Stuart
> >
> >
> > On 24 May 2016 at 18:10, Kaup, Chester wrote:
> >
> > > Our IT department is trying to say MS Access is a shaky platform. I
> > > like access and don't agree with them. Anyone have any good comments?
> > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website:
> > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
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From df.waters at outlook.com  Tue May 24 20:10:41 2016
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 20:10:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MS access shaky
In-Reply-To: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB29467FB4@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB29467FB4@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <BLU176-DS16F6DD2360FE5CCAB2408CF6400@phx.gbl>

Hi Chester,

Many IT departments have had bad experience with Access.  What happens is
that someone in a department develops a nice access database (a single file)
and then wants to share it.  They will put it on a server and several people
will create a shortcut to it.  So of course when several people try to run
it at the same time it will corrupt and lose data.  Then the department head
will head over to the IT folks and casually ask them if they can fix up
their now 'must have' departmental database.  And the IT folks now have a
significant piece of 'emergency' work that is unplanned and without budget.
A few times of that and they hate Access.  What they usually don't see is
the applications that are properly split and designed well.  So almost all
of their experience is bad.

Two things you can do to help ensure things run well.

1) In the database file on the server, go into properties and set Compact on
Close = True.  This will automatically compact and repair the data tables
every time the last person closes their app file.  Apparently this will fix
the little problems before they become big problems.

2) In the opening code sequence set a Static database variable to the
database file on the server.  This will significantly speed up the user's
experience.

Static dbsBE As DAO.Database
Dim stgBEFullPath As String

stgBEFullPath = BEFullPath
Set dbsBE = DBEngine(0).OpenDatabase(stgBEFullPath)

Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Kaup, Chester
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 1:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] MS access shaky

Our IT department is trying to say MS Access is a shaky platform. I like
access and don't agree with them. Anyone have any good comments?
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed May 25 03:15:19 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 08:15:19 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] MS access shaky
Message-ID: <DB6PR0601MB2198B2B992B38E16772A9BCACA400@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Larry

ODBC only. 

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Lawrence Mrazek
Sendt: 24. maj 2016 22:36
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [AccessD] MS access shaky

Quick question for the list. For those of you who are using Access with SQL, are you using ODBC or still using the old ADP format with Access 2010?

Just wondering, as we're encountering both scenarios, and are wondering when the

Larry Mrazek
lmrazek at lcm-res.com 


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed May 25 06:12:15 2016
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 07:12:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MS access shaky
In-Reply-To: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB29467FB4@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
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 I'll kick in a few, but I'm not sure you'll consider them all good.

 As for your question on SQL, always ODBC here.  I never went the ADP route.
I never saw a clear advantage to using it and figured it would go away at
some point (stepped on too many toes in the VS tools arena).

 As for the comments, depends on what you mean by "Access".

 Out of the box, meaning using a JET DB, in the hands of a good developer
Access is fine for most business apps up to about thirty or so users.  After
that it really is on shaky ground.  It's also on shaky ground if the network
is poor, but most will blame the product rather than their network.
There's also the fact that it doesn't run well over wireless networks, which
are becoming the norm.   People don't want to pay for premise wiring anymore
despite it being far better.

 With a SQL Server BE, you can push that up to a hundred or more users.
And I'm talking the typical read/write app here.   If it's a reporting only
app, even JET as a DB Engine can be pushed right to the 255 limit.

 It's always been unfortunate though that Microsoft has marketed this as an
end user tool, because as well all know well and good, most typical end
users are in over their heads before they even know it.  They develop a
cruddy app and then Access takes the wrap when it can't support more than
five or six users.   So that's why many IT departments call it "shaky".
Even if a SQL BE, poor development can make it a problem.   That's not the
fault of the product, but most see it that way.

 But in comparison to other products, it does have some downfalls no matter
how good the developer is:

1. It's very sensitive to it's environment since there is no true .exe.
Having to rely on an Office install is a royal pain.  Granted even something
written in C++ or .Net relies on installed libs and other components, but
it's much less fragile.  Someone installing another C++ app is not typically
going to break yours.   Someone installing A2016 when you have installed
A2007 will.   Even if you used Sage to get around most of that, it's still
more fragile than other development tools.

2. Lack of non-native controls.   You can only do so much with the
interface.  Again, granted you can do a LOT with that interface as it is,
but your limited.   Splitter bars, dial gauges, a good grid control, etc.
are all non-native and most don't work well.

3. Having to live with the main Access Window - There is no real way around
this.   You need to go out of your way to make it look like anything other
than an Access app.  Some would say that's the point of using Access in the
first place; using the features it provides to save you time (myself
included).  But there are times when you'd like a little more control.

4. No n-tier development is possible.   Too much is built into the UI and
it's not easy to separate out.  This is why your seeing such a major
disconnect between the desktop and web versions right now.  If there was a
true business layer, then the web apps would not be so limited.   Of course
the flip side is that a 3-tier design is a lot more development effort, and
that's not where your typical company using Access is at.   So one might or
might not include this one.

  So it does have its issues.   But used correctly and done with good
development, it can provide good value to a business depending on the
requirements.

  Stick with a SQL BE, max of about 100 users, and your good to go if you
can live with the limitations it has.

My .02,
Jim.

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Subject: [AccessD] MS access shaky

Our IT department is trying to say MS Access is a shaky platform. I like
access and don't agree with them. Anyone have any good comments?
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Wed May 25 17:32:01 2016
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 15:32:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Hyperlink Questions
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9S4MttrjWjZXmg_nfFaMsA_MUPo_y4V4Hb3FvicXkH-w@mail.gmail.com>

I'm deconstructing an mdb written (so to speak) by various people and ran
across an interesting situation.  In one form, the OnClick event of a
button contains code to create a Word.Application object and set its
visible property to True.  Then it sets the HyerlinkAddress property of the
button to a Word document in a subordinate folder, and then opens a
report.  Apparently Word attempts to open that document immediately, which
confuses me no end because I can't see what would cause the hyperlink to be
followed unless we're somehow triggering one of the hidden events of the
command button.  There are no helpful comments in the code, of course.

Can anyone explain it to me, please?


Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

From bensonforums at gmail.com  Wed May 25 19:30:48 2016
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 20:30:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Hyperlink Questions
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9S4MttrjWjZXmg_nfFaMsA_MUPo_y4V4Hb3FvicXkH-w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH+Met9S4MttrjWjZXmg_nfFaMsA_MUPo_y4V4Hb3FvicXkH-w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_23FnX_QdPxhqUgLdJ89uewHpBv3RyPEmQCHSEURV7sww@mail.gmail.com>

Thought hyperlinks simply open the documents they point to, no fuss. It is
a requirement of the hyperlink that has as it's subaddress an external file
to open that file in order to go to the "address". Don't know what enables
the action but that's how hyperlinks work. The followhyperlink events, if
they existed,  kick in after the target is arrived at. That way n Excel
anyway I think.
On May 25, 2016 6:42 PM, "Charlotte Foust" <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I'm deconstructing an mdb written (so to speak) by various people and ran
> across an interesting situation.  In one form, the OnClick event of a
> button contains code to create a Word.Application object and set its
> visible property to True.  Then it sets the HyerlinkAddress property of the
> button to a Word document in a subordinate folder, and then opens a
> report.  Apparently Word attempts to open that document immediately, which
> confuses me no end because I can't see what would cause the hyperlink to be
> followed unless we're somehow triggering one of the hidden events of the
> command button.  There are no helpful comments in the code, of course.
>
> Can anyone explain it to me, please?
>
>
> Charlotte Foust
> (916) 206-4336
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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Wed May 25 19:41:16 2016
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 20:41:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Hyperlink Questions
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_23FnX_QdPxhqUgLdJ89uewHpBv3RyPEmQCHSEURV7sww@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH+Met9S4MttrjWjZXmg_nfFaMsA_MUPo_y4V4Hb3FvicXkH-w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJLzs_23FnX_QdPxhqUgLdJ89uewHpBv3RyPEmQCHSEURV7sww@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAvCAgqjS-6e7tukL_oBem1SNaj0J0zva2YyRNcRHsqtKA@mail.gmail.com>

Charlotte,
This passed my inbox in the last few days. I'm not sure if it applies or is
relevant to your set up, but for what it's worth here is a link from
codekabinett
<http://www.codekabinett.com/rdumps.php?Lang=2&targetDoc=access-hyperlink-data-type>

Good luck.

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 8:30 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thought hyperlinks simply open the documents they point to, no fuss. It is
> a requirement of the hyperlink that has as it's subaddress an external file
> to open that file in order to go to the "address". Don't know what enables
> the action but that's how hyperlinks work. The followhyperlink events, if
> they existed,  kick in after the target is arrived at. That way n Excel
> anyway I think.
> On May 25, 2016 6:42 PM, "Charlotte Foust" <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I'm deconstructing an mdb written (so to speak) by various people and ran
> > across an interesting situation.  In one form, the OnClick event of a
> > button contains code to create a Word.Application object and set its
> > visible property to True.  Then it sets the HyerlinkAddress property of
> the
> > button to a Word document in a subordinate folder, and then opens a
> > report.  Apparently Word attempts to open that document immediately,
> which
> > confuses me no end because I can't see what would cause the hyperlink to
> be
> > followed unless we're somehow triggering one of the hidden events of the
> > command button.  There are no helpful comments in the code, of course.
> >
> > Can anyone explain it to me, please?
> >
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> > (916) 206-4336
> > --
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Wed May 25 20:43:48 2016
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 18:43:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Hyperlink Questions
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_23FnX_QdPxhqUgLdJ89uewHpBv3RyPEmQCHSEURV7sww@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH+Met9S4MttrjWjZXmg_nfFaMsA_MUPo_y4V4Hb3FvicXkH-w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJLzs_23FnX_QdPxhqUgLdJ89uewHpBv3RyPEmQCHSEURV7sww@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_b3mp3Ukb8M38iNg8JeaWPvf2-JTROM2sRARxFEj7Yng@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Bill, I understand how they work, I just want to know why setting
the address after the button has been clicked causes the link to followed.
Maybe the after click event fires even though it isn't exposed in Access
and reads the address.  I just don't trust stuff I can't find an
explanation for.

Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336
On May 25, 2016 5:32 PM, "Bill Benson" <bensonforums at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thought hyperlinks simply open the documents they point to, no fuss. It is
> a requirement of the hyperlink that has as it's subaddress an external file
> to open that file in order to go to the "address". Don't know what enables
> the action but that's how hyperlinks work. The followhyperlink events, if
> they existed,  kick in after the target is arrived at. That way n Excel
> anyway I think.
> On May 25, 2016 6:42 PM, "Charlotte Foust" <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I'm deconstructing an mdb written (so to speak) by various people and ran
> > across an interesting situation.  In one form, the OnClick event of a
> > button contains code to create a Word.Application object and set its
> > visible property to True.  Then it sets the HyerlinkAddress property of
> the
> > button to a Word document in a subordinate folder, and then opens a
> > report.  Apparently Word attempts to open that document immediately,
> which
> > confuses me no end because I can't see what would cause the hyperlink to
> be
> > followed unless we're somehow triggering one of the hidden events of the
> > command button.  There are no helpful comments in the code, of course.
> >
> > Can anyone explain it to me, please?
> >
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> > (916) 206-4336
> > --
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Wed May 25 20:45:23 2016
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 18:45:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Hyperlink Questions
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAvCAgqjS-6e7tukL_oBem1SNaj0J0zva2YyRNcRHsqtKA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH+Met9S4MttrjWjZXmg_nfFaMsA_MUPo_y4V4Hb3FvicXkH-w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJLzs_23FnX_QdPxhqUgLdJ89uewHpBv3RyPEmQCHSEURV7sww@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKvidAvCAgqjS-6e7tukL_oBem1SNaj0J0zva2YyRNcRHsqtKA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_fLjgf8mttOxXnEShHZJZVEgG+cvKfV6-Vdzrt2rkzmg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Jack, I hadn't read that article, but I never saw any reason to
store the hyperlink address as anything but text.

Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336
On May 25, 2016 5:43 PM, "jack drawbridge" <jackandpat.d at gmail.com> wrote:

> Charlotte,
> This passed my inbox in the last few days. I'm not sure if it applies or is
> relevant to your set up, but for what it's worth here is a link from
> codekabinett
> <
> http://www.codekabinett.com/rdumps.php?Lang=2&targetDoc=access-hyperlink-data-type
> >
>
> Good luck.
>
> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 8:30 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Thought hyperlinks simply open the documents they point to, no fuss. It
> is
> > a requirement of the hyperlink that has as it's subaddress an external
> file
> > to open that file in order to go to the "address". Don't know what
> enables
> > the action but that's how hyperlinks work. The followhyperlink events, if
> > they existed,  kick in after the target is arrived at. That way n Excel
> > anyway I think.
> > On May 25, 2016 6:42 PM, "Charlotte Foust" <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I'm deconstructing an mdb written (so to speak) by various people and
> ran
> > > across an interesting situation.  In one form, the OnClick event of a
> > > button contains code to create a Word.Application object and set its
> > > visible property to True.  Then it sets the HyerlinkAddress property of
> > the
> > > button to a Word document in a subordinate folder, and then opens a
> > > report.  Apparently Word attempts to open that document immediately,
> > which
> > > confuses me no end because I can't see what would cause the hyperlink
> to
> > be
> > > followed unless we're somehow triggering one of the hidden events of
> the
> > > command button.  There are no helpful comments in the code, of course.
> > >
> > > Can anyone explain it to me, please?
> > >
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > > (916) 206-4336
> > > --
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> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu May 26 05:15:23 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2016 20:15:23 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Hyperlink Questions
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met_b3mp3Ukb8M38iNg8JeaWPvf2-JTROM2sRARxFEj7Yng@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH+Met9S4MttrjWjZXmg_nfFaMsA_MUPo_y4V4Hb3FvicXkH-w@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAJLzs_23FnX_QdPxhqUgLdJ89uewHpBv3RyPEmQCHSEURV7sww@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAH+Met_b3mp3Ukb8M38iNg8JeaWPvf2-JTROM2sRARxFEj7Yng@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5746CCBB.13946.1777111@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

It's actually contrary to the documented behaviour:

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/ff822439.aspx

" When the user clicks the mouse button, the hyperlink is activated, and then the Click event 
occurs."


So looks like it is  a bug  :-)


-- 
Stuart


On 25 May 2016 at 18:43, Charlotte Foust wrote:

> Thanks Bill, I understand how they work, I just want to know why
> setting the address after the button has been clicked causes the link
> to followed. Maybe the after click event fires even though it isn't
> exposed in Access and reads the address.  I just don't trust stuff I
> can't find an explanation for.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> (916) 206-4336
> On May 25, 2016 5:32 PM, "Bill Benson" <bensonforums at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Thought hyperlinks simply open the documents they point to, no fuss.
> > It is a requirement of the hyperlink that has as it's subaddress an
> > external file to open that file in order to go to the "address".
> > Don't know what enables the action but that's how hyperlinks work.
> > The followhyperlink events, if they existed,  kick in after the
> > target is arrived at. That way n Excel anyway I think. On May 25,
> > 2016 6:42 PM, "Charlotte Foust" <charlotte.foust at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm deconstructing an mdb written (so to speak) by various people
> > > and ran across an interesting situation.  In one form, the OnClick
> > > event of a button contains code to create a Word.Application
> > > object and set its visible property to True.  Then it sets the
> > > HyerlinkAddress property of
> > the
> > > button to a Word document in a subordinate folder, and then opens
> > > a report.  Apparently Word attempts to open that document
> > > immediately,
> > which
> > > confuses me no end because I can't see what would cause the
> > > hyperlink to
> > be
> > > followed unless we're somehow triggering one of the hidden events
> > > of the command button.  There are no helpful comments in the code,
> > > of course.
> > >
> > > Can anyone explain it to me, please?
> > >
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > > (916) 206-4336
> > > --


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Thu May 26 10:31:39 2016
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2016 08:31:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Hyperlink Questions
In-Reply-To: <5746CCBB.13946.1777111@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CAH+Met9S4MttrjWjZXmg_nfFaMsA_MUPo_y4V4Hb3FvicXkH-w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJLzs_23FnX_QdPxhqUgLdJ89uewHpBv3RyPEmQCHSEURV7sww@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met_b3mp3Ukb8M38iNg8JeaWPvf2-JTROM2sRARxFEj7Yng@mail.gmail.com>
	<5746CCBB.13946.1777111@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9LormcaW9dZS2=1eC+fVAKwM5hTevtUMwFvm4TCRsjzA@mail.gmail.com>

The button's hyperlink address is empty when the button is clicked, so the
event fires and opens a Word application object, then within the event, the
address is set in a select case block.  A report is opened and suddenly the
Word doc loads. I'm going to try replicating it in a simple demo and see
what happens.  I'm supposed to be setting standards for Access development,
and there's nothing standard about this behavior.

Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 3:15 AM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
wrote:

> It's actually contrary to the documented behaviour:
>
> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/ff822439.aspx
>
> " When the user clicks the mouse button, the hyperlink is activated, and
> then the Click event
> occurs."
>
>
> So looks like it is  a bug  :-)
>
>
> --
> Stuart
>
>
>

From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu May 26 11:32:47 2016
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2016 12:32:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Hyperlink Questions
In-Reply-To: <5746CCBB.13946.1777111@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CAH+Met9S4MttrjWjZXmg_nfFaMsA_MUPo_y4V4Hb3FvicXkH-w@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAJLzs_23FnX_QdPxhqUgLdJ89uewHpBv3RyPEmQCHSEURV7sww@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAH+Met_b3mp3Ukb8M38iNg8JeaWPvf2-JTROM2sRARxFEj7Yng@mail.gmail.com>
	<5746CCBB.13946.1777111@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <016301d1b76c$3d55f710$b801e530$@net>

And I agree with this assessment.
When it comes to VBA and the attendant object models, this is to be
expected.
Some bugs have workarounds, others do not.
And it can be real time-consuming to find a work-around.
This is where the VBA RAD becomes BAD (Bug Application Development)

> So looks like it is  a bug  :-)
>
>
> --
> Stuart



From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri May 27 00:06:06 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2016 23:06:06 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app --
	finding	records	without matching related records
In-Reply-To: <007901d1b4e4$46723cd0$d356b670$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <954107736.36915675.1464325566800.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Right now there is thousands or more accurately tens of thousands of web apps and hundreds more being created each day. In Vancouver, alone, there are over 5.5K companies developing web applications but they are not Microsoft developers.

Microsoft is just starting to build a system that can create a viable web app but they are many years behind. MS produced great desktop applications, maybe the best, but that is not the new economy.

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 4:14:28 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding	records	without matching related records

Actually... 

If the 365 sub with SharePoint catches on, I can see Access web apps being
very useful. I'm already planning my next Salato app. 

As MS moves toward more mobile app support and collecting data in the field,
I can see Access Web apps filling a collection and viewing niche.  And, it's
certainly easier to use -- a few hours and you've working. That's a long way
from Access desktop. I realize there are other technologies, but Access Web
apps is easy. 

I don't think MS is doing a good job on pr. 

Susan H. 


Susan,

 You will find the number of people using web apps to be very few and far
between.

 Microsoft has been taking a stab at web apps since 2007.  2010 was a
refinement of 2007.

 2013 was a complete reboot of the whole thing.  Since 2013, I know of
exactly four  developers that have taken a shot at them and that includes
you<g>.

 To my knowledge, there still remains only one web based Access app in the
windows store.

Jim. 



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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri May 27 09:59:29 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 07:59:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Mixed Office and the packageer
Message-ID: <DA500EDE4A0642A597C1CD8FB685EED5@HAL9007>

Dear List:
 
The guy who acquired my manufacturing system is considering moving to A2010
or more likely A2013.
 
At the moment it is still an mdb, compiled and distributed with a version of
A2003, and they are still using the Wise/Sagekey scheme I adopted lo those
many years ago.
 
I understand the packager in 2010 (and 2013) is quite robust and can produce
a run time version.  
 
Question is how well does that play if the client machine has a different
version of Office installed (BTW, switching to late binding is a task that I
think has come to the top of the list). 
 
And what happens to those who have O2003 installed?  
 
Should the front end be converted to accdb/accde or can it remain as an mdb
for the near term?  Same question for the back end.
 
And what other problems are going to accrue to this move that I don't know
enough to ask?
 
MTIA
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
760-683-5777
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

From dw-murphy at cox.net  Fri May 27 11:51:59 2016
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 09:51:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app
	--	finding	records	without matching related records
In-Reply-To: <zH7V1s00B0xgD8Z01H7XBG>
References: <007901d1b4e4$46723cd0$d356b670$@gmail.com>
	<zH7V1s00B0xgD8Z01H7XBG>
Message-ID: <007801d1b838$16085820$42190860$@cox.net>

Jim,

Not sure what your definition of a web app is but MS seems to be playing
pretty well in this environment for the Visual studio community; see Xamarin
for developing smart phone apps for Android and IOS, MVC with Angular or
React for single page apps. If you use real tools you can pretty much do
anything you want. You do have to make an investment in learning, but that
is part of paying your dues.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 10:06 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
without matching related records

Right now there is thousands or more accurately tens of thousands of web
apps and hundreds more being created each day. In Vancouver, alone, there
are over 5.5K companies developing web applications but they are not
Microsoft developers.

Microsoft is just starting to build a system that can create a viable web
app but they are many years behind. MS produced great desktop applications,
maybe the best, but that is not the new economy.

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 4:14:28 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding	records
without matching related records

Actually... 

If the 365 sub with SharePoint catches on, I can see Access web apps being
very useful. I'm already planning my next Salato app. 

As MS moves toward more mobile app support and collecting data in the field,
I can see Access Web apps filling a collection and viewing niche.  And, it's
certainly easier to use -- a few hours and you've working. That's a long way
from Access desktop. I realize there are other technologies, but Access Web
apps is easy. 

I don't think MS is doing a good job on pr. 

Susan H. 


Susan,

 You will find the number of people using web apps to be very few and far
between.

 Microsoft has been taking a stab at web apps since 2007.  2010 was a
refinement of 2007.

 2013 was a complete reboot of the whole thing.  Since 2013, I know of
exactly four  developers that have taken a shot at them and that includes
you<g>.

 To my knowledge, there still remains only one web based Access app in the
windows store.

Jim. 



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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri May 27 12:07:07 2016
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 17:07:07 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Help with an Access web
	app	--	finding	records	without matching related records
In-Reply-To: <007801d1b838$16085820$42190860$@cox.net>
References: <007901d1b4e4$46723cd0$d356b670$@gmail.com>
	<zH7V1s00B0xgD8Z01H7XBG>,<007801d1b838$16085820$42190860$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC854389BB@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Doug absolutely. We get it free and plan to build out all our apps using it.

Martin
________________________________
From: Doug Murphy<mailto:dw-murphy at cox.net>
Sent: ?27/?05/?2016 17:55
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records without matching related records

Jim,

Not sure what your definition of a web app is but MS seems to be playing
pretty well in this environment for the Visual studio community; see Xamarin
for developing smart phone apps for Android and IOS, MVC with Angular or
React for single page apps. If you use real tools you can pretty much do
anything you want. You do have to make an investment in learning, but that
is part of paying your dues.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 10:06 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
without matching related records

Right now there is thousands or more accurately tens of thousands of web
apps and hundreds more being created each day. In Vancouver, alone, there
are over 5.5K companies developing web applications but they are not
Microsoft developers.

Microsoft is just starting to build a system that can create a viable web
app but they are many years behind. MS produced great desktop applications,
maybe the best, but that is not the new economy.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 4:14:28 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding   records
without matching related records

Actually...

If the 365 sub with SharePoint catches on, I can see Access web apps being
very useful. I'm already planning my next Salato app.

As MS moves toward more mobile app support and collecting data in the field,
I can see Access Web apps filling a collection and viewing niche.  And, it's
certainly easier to use -- a few hours and you've working. That's a long way
from Access desktop. I realize there are other technologies, but Access Web
apps is easy.

I don't think MS is doing a good job on pr.

Susan H.


Susan,

 You will find the number of people using web apps to be very few and far
between.

 Microsoft has been taking a stab at web apps since 2007.  2010 was a
refinement of 2007.

 2013 was a complete reboot of the whole thing.  Since 2013, I know of
exactly four  developers that have taken a shot at them and that includes
you<g>.

 To my knowledge, there still remains only one web based Access app in the
windows store.

Jim.



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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri May 27 12:08:11 2016
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 13:08:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Mixed Office and the packageer
In-Reply-To: <DA500EDE4A0642A597C1CD8FB685EED5@HAL9007>
References: <DA500EDE4A0642A597C1CD8FB685EED5@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <A0022C9660184D2FBD3470F5235F6155@XPS>

Rocky,

  Not sure of your client base, but keep in mind that A2013 dropped DBF
support. A2010 was the last "full" desktop version as A2013 dropped a number
of features besides the DBF.

  As far as I know Sage Key is still the only thing that will still give you
a truly isolated install.

  You don't need to convert to .accdb format unless you plan to use some of
the new features (multi-value fields, attachment data type, etc).  You
should however make sure your in JET 4.0 format.  Note that if you do switch
to the .accdb format, you loose workgroup security as well.

<<And what other problems are going to accrue to this move that I don't know
enough to ask?>>

1. Make sure you stay with 32 bit, and on that note I don't know that Sage
ever licked the 32/64 bit problem.   Within a Office rev, you can't mix and
match 32 and 64 bit.  It all has to be one or the other (ie. Excel 2010 64
bit and Access 2010 32 bit).   Also noted in the past couple of days on the
list that Office 2016 has some issues with older versions.

2. A2010 is the last version where you can live without the ribbon and use
your own custom bars, but there are add-ins for 2010 and 2013 to get back
some of the old menus.  Have never used any, so no input on that.

3. make sure your always in a compiled state.  A2010 and up tightened up on
syntax checking.  Some things could be gotten away with in the past, but not
now.  It was odd-ball stuff, but you may trip over it.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 10:59 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Mixed Office and the packageer

Dear List:
 
The guy who acquired my manufacturing system is considering moving to A2010
or more likely A2013.
 
At the moment it is still an mdb, compiled and distributed with a version of
A2003, and they are still using the Wise/Sagekey scheme I adopted lo those
many years ago.
 
I understand the packager in 2010 (and 2013) is quite robust and can produce
a run time version.  
 
Question is how well does that play if the client machine has a different
version of Office installed (BTW, switching to late binding is a task that I
think has come to the top of the list). 
 
And what happens to those who have O2003 installed?  
 
Should the front end be converted to accdb/accde or can it remain as an mdb
for the near term?  Same question for the back end.
 
And what other problems are going to accrue to this move that I don't know
enough to ask?
 
MTIA
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
760-683-5777
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri May 27 12:35:47 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 10:35:47 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Mixed Office and the packageer
In-Reply-To: <A0022C9660184D2FBD3470F5235F6155@XPS>
References: <DA500EDE4A0642A597C1CD8FB685EED5@HAL9007>
	<A0022C9660184D2FBD3470F5235F6155@XPS>
Message-ID: <A1CCE531581C4C0E9C34EB0BA876A142@HAL9007>

Thanks Jim. Good stuff.  Will forward to the company.

r 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Dettman
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 10:08 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Mixed Office and the packageer

Rocky,

  Not sure of your client base, but keep in mind that A2013 dropped DBF
support. A2010 was the last "full" desktop version as A2013 dropped a number
of features besides the DBF.

  As far as I know Sage Key is still the only thing that will still give you
a truly isolated install.

  You don't need to convert to .accdb format unless you plan to use some of
the new features (multi-value fields, attachment data type, etc).  You
should however make sure your in JET 4.0 format.  Note that if you do switch
to the .accdb format, you loose workgroup security as well.

<<And what other problems are going to accrue to this move that I don't know
enough to ask?>>

1. Make sure you stay with 32 bit, and on that note I don't know that Sage
ever licked the 32/64 bit problem.   Within a Office rev, you can't mix and
match 32 and 64 bit.  It all has to be one or the other (ie. Excel 2010 64
bit and Access 2010 32 bit).   Also noted in the past couple of days on the
list that Office 2016 has some issues with older versions.

2. A2010 is the last version where you can live without the ribbon and use
your own custom bars, but there are add-ins for 2010 and 2013 to get back
some of the old menus.  Have never used any, so no input on that.

3. make sure your always in a compiled state.  A2010 and up tightened up on
syntax checking.  Some things could be gotten away with in the past, but not
now.  It was odd-ball stuff, but you may trip over it.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 10:59 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Mixed Office and the packageer

Dear List:
 
The guy who acquired my manufacturing system is considering moving to A2010
or more likely A2013.
 
At the moment it is still an mdb, compiled and distributed with a version of
A2003, and they are still using the Wise/Sagekey scheme I adopted lo those
many years ago.
 
I understand the packager in 2010 (and 2013) is quite robust and can produce
a run time version.  
 
Question is how well does that play if the client machine has a different
version of Office installed (BTW, switching to late binding is a task that I
think has come to the top of the list). 
 
And what happens to those who have O2003 installed?  
 
Should the front end be converted to accdb/accde or can it remain as an mdb
for the near term?  Same question for the back end.
 
And what other problems are going to accrue to this move that I don't know
enough to ask?
 
MTIA
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
760-683-5777
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri May 27 14:25:52 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 13:25:52 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Help with an Access web
	app	--	finding	records	without matching related records
In-Reply-To: <007801d1b838$16085820$42190860$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <690479121.37437639.1464377152710.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Yes, but as I said Microsoft is just starting to move forward. 

Xamarin is a MIT licensed, open source SDK, recently purchased(?) by MS, this February, as a matter of fact. And AngularJS is an OS product created and borrowed from Google. Then there is Microsoft's recent Linux bash shell (Canonical). Then there is the Microsoft and Canonical collaboration that created the Linux based Azure Cloud product. All these and many more products are all very recent events. 

Not that I am complaining of course as all of this will make Microsoft a player in the market again. OTOH, I would hardly give credit to Microsoft, other than to say they finally embrace technology, tech that in some cases, has been perfected for a decade or more by other developers. Being a "born-again Christian", is not a bad thing and all I can say is why did it take so long and no, Microsoft did not create "Christianity". ;-)

In summary, all this new technology has been around for years so in many cases, even though it is a challenge to Microsoft purists, it is old hat to many full-spectrum developers. If you are a Linux Guru, Microsoft is hiring.
  
Jim   

----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Murphy" <dw-murphy at cox.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 9:51:59 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app	--	finding	records	without matching related records

Jim,

Not sure what your definition of a web app is but MS seems to be playing
pretty well in this environment for the Visual studio community; see Xamarin
for developing smart phone apps for Android and IOS, MVC with Angular or
React for single page apps. If you use real tools you can pretty much do
anything you want. You do have to make an investment in learning, but that
is part of paying your dues.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 10:06 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
without matching related records

Right now there is thousands or more accurately tens of thousands of web
apps and hundreds more being created each day. In Vancouver, alone, there
are over 5.5K companies developing web applications but they are not
Microsoft developers.

Microsoft is just starting to build a system that can create a viable web
app but they are many years behind. MS produced great desktop applications,
maybe the best, but that is not the new economy.

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 4:14:28 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding	records
without matching related records

Actually... 

If the 365 sub with SharePoint catches on, I can see Access web apps being
very useful. I'm already planning my next Salato app. 

As MS moves toward more mobile app support and collecting data in the field,
I can see Access Web apps filling a collection and viewing niche.  And, it's
certainly easier to use -- a few hours and you've working. That's a long way
from Access desktop. I realize there are other technologies, but Access Web
apps is easy. 

I don't think MS is doing a good job on pr. 

Susan H. 


Susan,

 You will find the number of people using web apps to be very few and far
between.

 Microsoft has been taking a stab at web apps since 2007.  2010 was a
refinement of 2007.

 2013 was a complete reboot of the whole thing.  Since 2013, I know of
exactly four  developers that have taken a shot at them and that includes
you<g>.

 To my knowledge, there still remains only one web based Access app in the
windows store.

Jim. 



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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri May 27 15:20:19 2016
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 20:20:19 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Help with an Access
	web	app	--	finding	records	without matching related records
In-Reply-To: <690479121.37437639.1464377152710.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <007801d1b838$16085820$42190860$@cox.net>,
	<690479121.37437639.1464377152710.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC85438E0A@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Bill could strip naked, crawl on his hands and knees to the lynix capital of the universe, beg like a dog and you still would not be happy jim!

LoL

Martin
________________________________
From: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
Sent: ?27/?05/?2016 20:29
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records without matching related records

Yes, but as I said Microsoft is just starting to move forward.

Xamarin is a MIT licensed, open source SDK, recently purchased(?) by MS, this February, as a matter of fact. And AngularJS is an OS product created and borrowed from Google. Then there is Microsoft's recent Linux bash shell (Canonical). Then there is the Microsoft and Canonical collaboration that created the Linux based Azure Cloud product. All these and many more products are all very recent events.

Not that I am complaining of course as all of this will make Microsoft a player in the market again. OTOH, I would hardly give credit to Microsoft, other than to say they finally embrace technology, tech that in some cases, has been perfected for a decade or more by other developers. Being a "born-again Christian", is not a bad thing and all I can say is why did it take so long and no, Microsoft did not create "Christianity". ;-)

In summary, all this new technology has been around for years so in many cases, even though it is a challenge to Microsoft purists, it is old hat to many full-spectrum developers. If you are a Linux Guru, Microsoft is hiring.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Murphy" <dw-murphy at cox.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 9:51:59 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app      --      finding records without matching related records

Jim,

Not sure what your definition of a web app is but MS seems to be playing
pretty well in this environment for the Visual studio community; see Xamarin
for developing smart phone apps for Android and IOS, MVC with Angular or
React for single page apps. If you use real tools you can pretty much do
anything you want. You do have to make an investment in learning, but that
is part of paying your dues.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 10:06 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
without matching related records

Right now there is thousands or more accurately tens of thousands of web
apps and hundreds more being created each day. In Vancouver, alone, there
are over 5.5K companies developing web applications but they are not
Microsoft developers.

Microsoft is just starting to build a system that can create a viable web
app but they are many years behind. MS produced great desktop applications,
maybe the best, but that is not the new economy.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 4:14:28 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding   records
without matching related records

Actually...

If the 365 sub with SharePoint catches on, I can see Access web apps being
very useful. I'm already planning my next Salato app.

As MS moves toward more mobile app support and collecting data in the field,
I can see Access Web apps filling a collection and viewing niche.  And, it's
certainly easier to use -- a few hours and you've working. That's a long way
from Access desktop. I realize there are other technologies, but Access Web
apps is easy.

I don't think MS is doing a good job on pr.

Susan H.


Susan,

 You will find the number of people using web apps to be very few and far
between.

 Microsoft has been taking a stab at web apps since 2007.  2010 was a
refinement of 2007.

 2013 was a complete reboot of the whole thing.  Since 2013, I know of
exactly four  developers that have taken a shot at them and that includes
you<g>.

 To my knowledge, there still remains only one web based Access app in the
windows store.

Jim.



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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri May 27 15:38:39 2016
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 16:38:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Help with an Access web
 app	--	finding	records	without matching related records
In-Reply-To: <007801d1b838$16085820$42190860$@cox.net>
References: <007901d1b4e4$46723cd0$d356b670$@gmail.com>
	<zH7V1s00B0xgD8Z01H7XBG> <007801d1b838$16085820$42190860$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <5E93C800D80E4CDDBA050F8F45E7479B@XPS>


Access web apps.   I was referring to nothing else.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Doug Murphy
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 12:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
without matching related records

Jim,

Not sure what your definition of a web app is but MS seems to be playing
pretty well in this environment for the Visual studio community; see Xamarin
for developing smart phone apps for Android and IOS, MVC with Angular or
React for single page apps. If you use real tools you can pretty much do
anything you want. You do have to make an investment in learning, but that
is part of paying your dues.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 10:06 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
without matching related records

Right now there is thousands or more accurately tens of thousands of web
apps and hundreds more being created each day. In Vancouver, alone, there
are over 5.5K companies developing web applications but they are not
Microsoft developers.

Microsoft is just starting to build a system that can create a viable web
app but they are many years behind. MS produced great desktop applications,
maybe the best, but that is not the new economy.

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 4:14:28 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding	records
without matching related records

Actually... 

If the 365 sub with SharePoint catches on, I can see Access web apps being
very useful. I'm already planning my next Salato app. 

As MS moves toward more mobile app support and collecting data in the field,
I can see Access Web apps filling a collection and viewing niche.  And, it's
certainly easier to use -- a few hours and you've working. That's a long way
from Access desktop. I realize there are other technologies, but Access Web
apps is easy. 

I don't think MS is doing a good job on pr. 

Susan H. 


Susan,

 You will find the number of people using web apps to be very few and far
between.

 Microsoft has been taking a stab at web apps since 2007.  2010 was a
refinement of 2007.

 2013 was a complete reboot of the whole thing.  Since 2013, I know of
exactly four  developers that have taken a shot at them and that includes
you<g>.

 To my knowledge, there still remains only one web based Access app in the
windows store.

Jim. 



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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri May 27 18:11:42 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 17:11:42 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Help with an Access web
	app	--	finding	records	without matching related records
In-Reply-To: <5E93C800D80E4CDDBA050F8F45E7479B@XPS>
Message-ID: <1530241503.37622327.1464390702786.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

The main problem is trying to find a web hosting company that will allow a MDB on their site...most deem that DB as toxic.

Jim

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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 1:38:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app	--	finding	records	without matching related records


Access web apps.   I was referring to nothing else.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Doug Murphy
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 12:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
without matching related records

Jim,

Not sure what your definition of a web app is but MS seems to be playing
pretty well in this environment for the Visual studio community; see Xamarin
for developing smart phone apps for Android and IOS, MVC with Angular or
React for single page apps. If you use real tools you can pretty much do
anything you want. You do have to make an investment in learning, but that
is part of paying your dues.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 10:06 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
without matching related records

Right now there is thousands or more accurately tens of thousands of web
apps and hundreds more being created each day. In Vancouver, alone, there
are over 5.5K companies developing web applications but they are not
Microsoft developers.

Microsoft is just starting to build a system that can create a viable web
app but they are many years behind. MS produced great desktop applications,
maybe the best, but that is not the new economy.

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 4:14:28 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding	records
without matching related records

Actually... 

If the 365 sub with SharePoint catches on, I can see Access web apps being
very useful. I'm already planning my next Salato app. 

As MS moves toward more mobile app support and collecting data in the field,
I can see Access Web apps filling a collection and viewing niche.  And, it's
certainly easier to use -- a few hours and you've working. That's a long way
from Access desktop. I realize there are other technologies, but Access Web
apps is easy. 

I don't think MS is doing a good job on pr. 

Susan H. 


Susan,

 You will find the number of people using web apps to be very few and far
between.

 Microsoft has been taking a stab at web apps since 2007.  2010 was a
refinement of 2007.

 2013 was a complete reboot of the whole thing.  Since 2013, I know of
exactly four  developers that have taken a shot at them and that includes
you<g>.

 To my knowledge, there still remains only one web based Access app in the
windows store.

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri May 27 18:40:11 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 17:40:11 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Help with an
	Access	web	app	--	finding	records	without matching related records
In-Reply-To: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC85438E0A@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <1701021468.37641660.1464392411979.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Actually, I am very happy. 

After almost ten years in the wilderness Microsoft is now turning around and playing as a team player and not just going it alone any more. But I insist on giving credit where credit is due...I am sure MS would be upset it another company took their creations and called them their own. Microsoft still has a long way to go but I am sure they will eventually catch up or at least keep up.

Don't forget that I used to be a Microsoft fanboz...but then they forget their customers and after a number of years I realized the computer industry is a very big world, far larger than the community of Redmond and the industry does not just revolve around the desktop anymore.

Microsoft is a great company but they are not the only company...just one of hundreds. It is not as if I am abandoning my faith but went it comes to the computer industry I demand the right to pick and choice software from hundreds of different developers. To me the industry is no longer a single shop at one end of the mall but now it is the whole mall.

Jim

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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 1:20:19 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access	web	app	--	finding	records	without matching related records

Bill could strip naked, crawl on his hands and knees to the lynix capital of the universe, beg like a dog and you still would not be happy jim!

LoL

Martin
________________________________
From: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
Sent: ?27/?05/?2016 20:29
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records without matching related records

Yes, but as I said Microsoft is just starting to move forward.

Xamarin is a MIT licensed, open source SDK, recently purchased(?) by MS, this February, as a matter of fact. And AngularJS is an OS product created and borrowed from Google. Then there is Microsoft's recent Linux bash shell (Canonical). Then there is the Microsoft and Canonical collaboration that created the Linux based Azure Cloud product. All these and many more products are all very recent events.

Not that I am complaining of course as all of this will make Microsoft a player in the market again. OTOH, I would hardly give credit to Microsoft, other than to say they finally embrace technology, tech that in some cases, has been perfected for a decade or more by other developers. Being a "born-again Christian", is not a bad thing and all I can say is why did it take so long and no, Microsoft did not create "Christianity". ;-)

In summary, all this new technology has been around for years so in many cases, even though it is a challenge to Microsoft purists, it is old hat to many full-spectrum developers. If you are a Linux Guru, Microsoft is hiring.

Jim

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From: "Doug Murphy" <dw-murphy at cox.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 9:51:59 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app      --      finding records without matching related records

Jim,

Not sure what your definition of a web app is but MS seems to be playing
pretty well in this environment for the Visual studio community; see Xamarin
for developing smart phone apps for Android and IOS, MVC with Angular or
React for single page apps. If you use real tools you can pretty much do
anything you want. You do have to make an investment in learning, but that
is part of paying your dues.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 10:06 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
without matching related records

Right now there is thousands or more accurately tens of thousands of web
apps and hundreds more being created each day. In Vancouver, alone, there
are over 5.5K companies developing web applications but they are not
Microsoft developers.

Microsoft is just starting to build a system that can create a viable web
app but they are many years behind. MS produced great desktop applications,
maybe the best, but that is not the new economy.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 4:14:28 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding   records
without matching related records

Actually...

If the 365 sub with SharePoint catches on, I can see Access web apps being
very useful. I'm already planning my next Salato app.

As MS moves toward more mobile app support and collecting data in the field,
I can see Access Web apps filling a collection and viewing niche.  And, it's
certainly easier to use -- a few hours and you've working. That's a long way
from Access desktop. I realize there are other technologies, but Access Web
apps is easy.

I don't think MS is doing a good job on pr.

Susan H.


Susan,

 You will find the number of people using web apps to be very few and far
between.

 Microsoft has been taking a stab at web apps since 2007.  2010 was a
refinement of 2007.

 2013 was a complete reboot of the whole thing.  Since 2013, I know of
exactly four  developers that have taken a shot at them and that includes
you<g>.

 To my knowledge, there still remains only one web based Access app in the
windows store.

Jim.



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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Sat May 28 03:13:14 2016
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Sat, 28 May 2016 08:13:14 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Help with an Access
	web	app	--	finding	records	without matching related records
In-Reply-To: <1530241503.37622327.1464390702786.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
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Message-ID: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC8543A3D8@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Not a problem. Goggle, search,choose

Martin
________________________________
From: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
Sent: ?28/?05/?2016 00:15
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records without matching related records

The main problem is trying to find a web hosting company that will allow a MDB on their site...most deem that DB as toxic.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 1:38:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app      --      finding records without matching related records


Access web apps.   I was referring to nothing else.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Doug Murphy
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 12:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
without matching related records

Jim,

Not sure what your definition of a web app is but MS seems to be playing
pretty well in this environment for the Visual studio community; see Xamarin
for developing smart phone apps for Android and IOS, MVC with Angular or
React for single page apps. If you use real tools you can pretty much do
anything you want. You do have to make an investment in learning, but that
is part of paying your dues.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 10:06 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
without matching related records

Right now there is thousands or more accurately tens of thousands of web
apps and hundreds more being created each day. In Vancouver, alone, there
are over 5.5K companies developing web applications but they are not
Microsoft developers.

Microsoft is just starting to build a system that can create a viable web
app but they are many years behind. MS produced great desktop applications,
maybe the best, but that is not the new economy.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 4:14:28 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding   records
without matching related records

Actually...

If the 365 sub with SharePoint catches on, I can see Access web apps being
very useful. I'm already planning my next Salato app.

As MS moves toward more mobile app support and collecting data in the field,
I can see Access Web apps filling a collection and viewing niche.  And, it's
certainly easier to use -- a few hours and you've working. That's a long way
from Access desktop. I realize there are other technologies, but Access Web
apps is easy.

I don't think MS is doing a good job on pr.

Susan H.


Susan,

 You will find the number of people using web apps to be very few and far
between.

 Microsoft has been taking a stab at web apps since 2007.  2010 was a
refinement of 2007.

 2013 was a complete reboot of the whole thing.  Since 2013, I know of
exactly four  developers that have taken a shot at them and that includes
you<g>.

 To my knowledge, there still remains only one web based Access app in the
windows store.

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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Sat May 28 08:33:24 2016
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Sat, 28 May 2016 09:33:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
 without matching related records
In-Reply-To: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC85438E0A@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>
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Glad I did not jump into this thread in the middle.

On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk> wrote:

> Bill could strip naked, crawl on his hands and knees to the lynix capital
> of the universe, beg like a dog and you still would not be happy jim!
>
> LoL
>
> Martin
> ________________________________
> From: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
> Sent: ?27/?05/?2016 20:29
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving<mailto:
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
> without matching related records
>
> Yes, but as I said Microsoft is just starting to move forward.
>
> Xamarin is a MIT licensed, open source SDK, recently purchased(?) by MS,
> this February, as a matter of fact. And AngularJS is an OS product created
> and borrowed from Google. Then there is Microsoft's recent Linux bash shell
> (Canonical). Then there is the Microsoft and Canonical collaboration that
> created the Linux based Azure Cloud product. All these and many more
> products are all very recent events.
>
> Not that I am complaining of course as all of this will make Microsoft a
> player in the market again. OTOH, I would hardly give credit to Microsoft,
> other than to say they finally embrace technology, tech that in some cases,
> has been perfected for a decade or more by other developers. Being a
> "born-again Christian", is not a bad thing and all I can say is why did it
> take so long and no, Microsoft did not create "Christianity". ;-)
>
> In summary, all this new technology has been around for years so in many
> cases, even though it is a challenge to Microsoft purists, it is old hat to
> many full-spectrum developers. If you are a Linux Guru, Microsoft is hiring.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Doug Murphy" <dw-murphy at cox.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 9:51:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app      --      finding
> records without matching related records
>
> Jim,
>
> Not sure what your definition of a web app is but MS seems to be playing
> pretty well in this environment for the Visual studio community; see
> Xamarin
> for developing smart phone apps for Android and IOS, MVC with Angular or
> React for single page apps. If you use real tools you can pretty much do
> anything you want. You do have to make an investment in learning, but that
> is part of paying your dues.
>
> Doug
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Jim
> Lawrence
> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 10:06 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
> without matching related records
>
> Right now there is thousands or more accurately tens of thousands of web
> apps and hundreds more being created each day. In Vancouver, alone, there
> are over 5.5K companies developing web applications but they are not
> Microsoft developers.
>
> Microsoft is just starting to build a system that can create a viable web
> app but they are many years behind. MS produced great desktop applications,
> maybe the best, but that is not the new economy.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 4:14:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding   records
> without matching related records
>
> Actually...
>
> If the 365 sub with SharePoint catches on, I can see Access web apps being
> very useful. I'm already planning my next Salato app.
>
> As MS moves toward more mobile app support and collecting data in the
> field,
> I can see Access Web apps filling a collection and viewing niche.  And,
> it's
> certainly easier to use -- a few hours and you've working. That's a long
> way
> from Access desktop. I realize there are other technologies, but Access Web
> apps is easy.
>
> I don't think MS is doing a good job on pr.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> Susan,
>
>  You will find the number of people using web apps to be very few and far
> between.
>
>  Microsoft has been taking a stab at web apps since 2007.  2010 was a
> refinement of 2007.
>
>  2013 was a complete reboot of the whole thing.  Since 2013, I know of
> exactly four  developers that have taken a shot at them and that includes
> you<g>.
>
>  To my knowledge, there still remains only one web based Access app in the
> windows store.
>
> Jim.
>
>
>
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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Sat May 28 14:17:36 2016
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (dw-murphy)
Date: Sat, 28 May 2016 12:17:36 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Help with an Access
 web	app	--	finding	records	without matching related records
Message-ID: <s1c1cq29xu5qflomsreiuylh.1464463056016@email.android.com>


    
Mdb is just a file. ?Think any Windows host will allow to put on your site ?and you just use ado to interact with. ?Can also use ado.net.


Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

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Date: 05/28/2016  1:13 AM  (GMT-08:00) 
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access
 	web	app	--	finding	records	without matching related records 

Not a problem. Goggle, search,choose

Martin
________________________________
From: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
Sent: ?28/?05/?2016 00:15
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records without matching related records

The main problem is trying to find a web hosting company that will allow a MDB on their site...most deem that DB as toxic.

Jim

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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 1:38:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app????? --????? finding records without matching related records


Access web apps.?? I was referring to nothing else.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Doug Murphy
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 12:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
without matching related records

Jim,

Not sure what your definition of a web app is but MS seems to be playing
pretty well in this environment for the Visual studio community; see Xamarin
for developing smart phone apps for Android and IOS, MVC with Angular or
React for single page apps. If you use real tools you can pretty much do
anything you want. You do have to make an investment in learning, but that
is part of paying your dues.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 10:06 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
without matching related records

Right now there is thousands or more accurately tens of thousands of web
apps and hundreds more being created each day. In Vancouver, alone, there
are over 5.5K companies developing web applications but they are not
Microsoft developers.

Microsoft is just starting to build a system that can create a viable web
app but they are many years behind. MS produced great desktop applications,
maybe the best, but that is not the new economy.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 4:14:28 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding?? records
without matching related records

Actually...

If the 365 sub with SharePoint catches on, I can see Access web apps being
very useful. I'm already planning my next Salato app.

As MS moves toward more mobile app support and collecting data in the field,
I can see Access Web apps filling a collection and viewing niche.? And, it's
certainly easier to use -- a few hours and you've working. That's a long way
from Access desktop. I realize there are other technologies, but Access Web
apps is easy.

I don't think MS is doing a good job on pr.

Susan H.


Susan,

 You will find the number of people using web apps to be very few and far
between.

 Microsoft has been taking a stab at web apps since 2007.? 2010 was a
refinement of 2007.

 2013 was a complete reboot of the whole thing.? Since 2013, I know of
exactly four? developers that have taken a shot at them and that includes
you<g>.

 To my knowledge, there still remains only one web based Access app in the
windows store.

Jim.



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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Sat May 28 15:27:20 2016
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Sat, 28 May 2016 20:27:20 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Help with an Access
	web	app	--	finding	records	without matching related records
In-Reply-To: <s1c1cq29xu5qflomsreiuylh.1464463056016@email.android.com>
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https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms971485.aspx
________________________________
From: dw-murphy<mailto:dw-murphy at cox.net>
Sent: ?28/?05/?2016 20:38
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records without matching related records



Mdb is just a file.  Think any Windows host will allow to put on your site  and you just use ado to interact with.  Can also use ado.net.


Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
Date: 05/28/2016  1:13 AM  (GMT-08:00)
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access
         web     app     --      finding records without matching related records

Not a problem. Goggle, search,choose

Martin
________________________________
From: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
Sent: ?28/?05/?2016 00:15
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records without matching related records

The main problem is trying to find a web hosting company that will allow a MDB on their site...most deem that DB as toxic.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 1:38:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app      --      finding records without matching related records


Access web apps.   I was referring to nothing else.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Doug Murphy
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 12:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
without matching related records

Jim,

Not sure what your definition of a web app is but MS seems to be playing
pretty well in this environment for the Visual studio community; see Xamarin
for developing smart phone apps for Android and IOS, MVC with Angular or
React for single page apps. If you use real tools you can pretty much do
anything you want. You do have to make an investment in learning, but that
is part of paying your dues.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 10:06 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
without matching related records

Right now there is thousands or more accurately tens of thousands of web
apps and hundreds more being created each day. In Vancouver, alone, there
are over 5.5K companies developing web applications but they are not
Microsoft developers.

Microsoft is just starting to build a system that can create a viable web
app but they are many years behind. MS produced great desktop applications,
maybe the best, but that is not the new economy.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 4:14:28 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding   records
without matching related records

Actually...

If the 365 sub with SharePoint catches on, I can see Access web apps being
very useful. I'm already planning my next Salato app.

As MS moves toward more mobile app support and collecting data in the field,
I can see Access Web apps filling a collection and viewing niche.  And, it's
certainly easier to use -- a few hours and you've working. That's a long way
from Access desktop. I realize there are other technologies, but Access Web
apps is easy.

I don't think MS is doing a good job on pr.

Susan H.


Susan,

 You will find the number of people using web apps to be very few and far
between.

 Microsoft has been taking a stab at web apps since 2007.  2010 was a
refinement of 2007.

 2013 was a complete reboot of the whole thing.  Since 2013, I know of
exactly four  developers that have taken a shot at them and that includes
you<g>.

 To my knowledge, there still remains only one web based Access app in the
windows store.

Jim.



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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Sat May 28 15:33:28 2016
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (dw-murphy)
Date: Sat, 28 May 2016 13:33:28 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Help with an Access
 web	app	--	finding	records	without matching related records
Message-ID: <cyv1rwwse3l5i2juokpp5ywl.1464467608982@email.android.com>


    
Exactly!?


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-------- Original message --------
From: Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk> 
Date: 05/28/2016  1:27 PM  (GMT-08:00) 
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access
 	web	app	--	finding	records	without matching related records 

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms971485.aspx
________________________________
From: dw-murphy<mailto:dw-murphy at cox.net>
Sent: ?28/?05/?2016 20:38
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records without matching related records



Mdb is just a file.? Think any Windows host will allow to put on your site? and you just use ado to interact with.? Can also use ado.net.


Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
Date: 05/28/2016? 1:13 AM? (GMT-08:00)
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access
???????? web???? app???? --????? finding records without matching related records

Not a problem. Goggle, search,choose

Martin
________________________________
From: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
Sent: ?28/?05/?2016 00:15
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records without matching related records

The main problem is trying to find a web hosting company that will allow a MDB on their site...most deem that DB as toxic.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 1:38:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app????? --????? finding records without matching related records


Access web apps.?? I was referring to nothing else.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Doug Murphy
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 12:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
without matching related records

Jim,

Not sure what your definition of a web app is but MS seems to be playing
pretty well in this environment for the Visual studio community; see Xamarin
for developing smart phone apps for Android and IOS, MVC with Angular or
React for single page apps. If you use real tools you can pretty much do
anything you want. You do have to make an investment in learning, but that
is part of paying your dues.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 10:06 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
without matching related records

Right now there is thousands or more accurately tens of thousands of web
apps and hundreds more being created each day. In Vancouver, alone, there
are over 5.5K companies developing web applications but they are not
Microsoft developers.

Microsoft is just starting to build a system that can create a viable web
app but they are many years behind. MS produced great desktop applications,
maybe the best, but that is not the new economy.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 4:14:28 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding?? records
without matching related records

Actually...

If the 365 sub with SharePoint catches on, I can see Access web apps being
very useful. I'm already planning my next Salato app.

As MS moves toward more mobile app support and collecting data in the field,
I can see Access Web apps filling a collection and viewing niche.? And, it's
certainly easier to use -- a few hours and you've working. That's a long way
from Access desktop. I realize there are other technologies, but Access Web
apps is easy.

I don't think MS is doing a good job on pr.

Susan H.


Susan,

 You will find the number of people using web apps to be very few and far
between.

 Microsoft has been taking a stab at web apps since 2007.? 2010 was a
refinement of 2007.

 2013 was a complete reboot of the whole thing.? Since 2013, I know of
exactly four? developers that have taken a shot at them and that includes
you<g>.

 To my knowledge, there still remains only one web based Access app in the
windows store.

Jim.



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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat May 28 18:51:05 2016
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 28 May 2016 19:51:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Web site download
In-Reply-To: <CAE7HPROnx4OvdgonxsYPHVbgpe8h5fOAtWqhOduHGFNK3aEvdg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAZtbWEBJWVA351=-St=VAOBaVFwyupR9A=esNdRdqZWJB8MNA@mail.gmail.com>
	<542506699.37668196.1464394964614.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
	<CAAZtbWHmuS8Cwe_=mQeb++4+GB_zdX2-siSfsHtnWY5d5kWgtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAE7HPRM+N5SGxjak1mXYiDESAW09BgxnkjGi_W8=D-mBQrP5kg@mail.gmail.com>
	<00a501d1b8fe$2d63bc50$882b34f0$@winhaven.net>
	<CAE7HPROnx4OvdgonxsYPHVbgpe8h5fOAtWqhOduHGFNK3aEvdg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gXmFptxtmFXiHK3kO7NahtEb=0e2rRVByj6pTbyTgykw@mail.gmail.com>

As a case in point, I have been accumulating VBA code snippets for a decade
or two, and storing them all in MS OneNote. I'm thinking of converting this
to a web site. All code snippets come with their authors' attributes.
Gustav and Shamil and Martin Reid and Breen have contributed valuable code
which I have faithfully preserved, and would like to make available.

All the code that I didn't write is accredited to the authors of same. I
wish to publish all of this. All accreditations are intact in the code that
I propose to post.

Does anyone, particularly the authors of code I want to include, which was
freely contributed to this web site, have any objection to this project?
I'm eager not to step on anyone's toes, with extra-special attention to
Gustav, JWC, Sturart amd others on this list, while also eager to share the
insights within these snippets.

Some portion of what I propose to post and make publicly available I wrote
myself. But I think that the collective weight of others outweighs my own
contributions. As I said, all the snippets I have collected contain
accreditations to their authors -- well I hope so,anyway. Some of the
snippets contain no reference to their authors, and my attempts to accord
credit where credit is due may not have been updated in a timely and
accurate fashion.

This rather large collection of code snips is currently housed within a
OneNote notebook. I'm not exactly sure how to convert this into a
collection of web pages -- I'll figure that out in due time, but I just
want to be sure that my intentions are clear: no profit motive lurks
anywhere within this project. I just want to share all the Access VBA stuff
I've collected over the years. I personally find this collection an
invaluable resource, to which I turn frequently when faced with some new
task to accomplish in Access (or Word or Excel) using VBA code.

I have sent this OneNote notebook to a couple of listers, who have
described the collection as a treasure-trove or a cornucopia of snippets.
So I wish to make it publicly available, with no profit motive in sight and
none intended.

Does anyone have any insights as to how to convert a OneNote notebook into
a series of web pages? I could do it by hand, but there are numerous
sections within which are dozens of pages, and conversion by hand could
take a while.

Arthur

On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 12:34 PM, Dickford Cohn <dickford1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> That's a good question. I don't know the answer. Leaving it where it is
> shouldn't present a burden, I would think. I'm guessing...but this suggests
> that there is some sort of ongoing financial arrangement that is required
> to be maintained with contributors, etc. That plus any extended liability.
> Just a wild-ass guess, of course.
>
> Dickford
>
> On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 12:29 PM, John R Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net>
> wrote:
>
> > All good points. And I agree the author's rights are being trampled upon
> > by the internet remoras like google.
> >
> > An aside, how it is "saving them money" by taking the content down? Why
> > don't they just leave it as is?
> >
> > Seriously, if the small cost of hosting existing data is going to help
> > make the BBC solvent, then collapse can't be far behind.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-OT [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Dickford Cohn
> > Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 7:56 AM
> > To: Off Topic
> > Subject: Re: [dba-OT] Web site download
> >
> > Excellent rebuttal, Bryan! No, you're not missing anything...
> >
> > BTW, how's the old bod doin'?
> >
> > Dickford
> >
> > On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 8:51 AM, Bryan Carbonnell <carbonnb at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Inline...
> > >
> > > On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 8:22 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> > > > That is of course technically speaking and what I have been
> > > > complaining
> > > about for a long time.
> > > >
> > > > Our governments have set the bar by feeling they have rights to
> > > everything and everyone. It is a do as we say not as we do. You can
> > > see why confusion as to who owns what is not as clear cut as it use to
> > be.
> > >
> > > What? I'm not sure what you are talking about. The content on the BBC
> > > website IS their IP unless they got the content from someone else. And
> > > in their terms they clearly state that.
> > >
> > > There is no confusion. The content, ANY content is owned by the
> > > author/creator. Full stop. They own it. They have the copyright on it.
> > > They get to decide how it gets used. Period. End of discussion. Ain't
> > > no confusion there. It is pretty clear.
> > >
> > > Even if they release the content as open source, it's still their
> > > copyright. They still get to decide how it's used by the open source
> > > licence they assign to it and if it gets misused, then they have every
> > > right to seek restitution in court.
> > >
> > > Maybe its difference in BC, bu that's the way it is everywhere I've
> been.
> > >
> > > > On the rights to books; many authors would be pleased of your
> > > > support
> > > but large corporations like Google seem to be able to interpret DRM as
> > > to their convenience and profit. As most books are not even printed it
> > > is unlikely that I will be able to find a rare author even in the book
> > > bin. An author whose only books are digital may be able to win the
> > > case of protecting their rights to receive fair payment but then they
> > > will have to be willing to market their own product on the web. An
> > > effort that is apparently too complex for most so many great books
> > > have just been lost...sad.
> > >
> > > Yea, and Google has been to court for the way they have interpreted
> > > DRM. Not sure what your point is.
> > >
> > > > Aside: I am sure there is a business opportunity waiting to be
> > > > explored
> > > but I am not up to the challenge.
> > > >
> > > > As for BBC's web information it is predicated around its subsequent
> > use.
> > > It basically can be used for free but only for personal use and the
> > > information can not be sold or distributed, in any format, without the
> > > express consent of BBC.
> > >
> > > Yea, and what's wrong with that? They own the content. It's their IP.
> > > They paid someone to come up with it, be it a food blog, a news story,
> > > a sports story, or anything else that's there. They get to decide how
> > > it's used.
> > >
> > > I really don't see why it's so hard to understand when someone creates
> > > something, they own the rights to decide how its' used, be it a person
> > > or a business. Unless I'm missing something.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
> > > Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a
> > > well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
> > > shouting "What a great ride!"
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>



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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat May 28 21:37:37 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2016 12:37:37 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Web site download
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gXmFptxtmFXiHK3kO7NahtEb=0e2rRVByj6pTbyTgykw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAZtbWEBJWVA351=-St=VAOBaVFwyupR9A=esNdRdqZWJB8MNA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAE7HPROnx4OvdgonxsYPHVbgpe8h5fOAtWqhOduHGFNK3aEvdg@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAEPJO1gXmFptxtmFXiHK3kO7NahtEb=0e2rRVByj6pTbyTgykw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <574A55F1.25728.F47698B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Google came up with lots of possibilities including these:

http://www.onenotepowertoys.com/2007/07/07/onenote-web-exporter/

https://devdamljas.wordpress.com/2010/07/08/onenote-web-exporter/


On 28 May 2016 at 19:51, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> 
> Does anyone have any insights as to how to convert a OneNote notebook
> into a series of web pages? I could do it by hand, but there are
> numerous sections within which are dozens of pages, and conversion by
> hand could take a while.
> 
> Arthur
> 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun May 29 10:40:33 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2016 09:40:33 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Help with an Access
	web	app	--	finding	records	without matching related records
In-Reply-To: <s1c1cq29xu5qflomsreiuylh.1464463056016@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <26872835.38591831.1464536433496.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

That is the point and that point is why the old Access can not move forward. Binding the Access FE, the MDB BE and its DAO connector made it an irrelevant product in the age of the internet...it was then locked to the desktop and closed networks. Microsoft could have made the product viable by just building or attaching it to a real database, by default, from the get-go. 

The first Access application I built with no MDB was in 1997 using the new MS SQL BE, little more than its Sybase beginnings and using the ADO connector but it made it one of the best databases on the market.

But that is history and there is little point dwelling on it. My only question now is why Microsoft continues to have something they can Access. To my mind, if Access is not going to be rebuilt as a JavaScript framework, just dump it and focus users on using ADO.Net and MS SQL. I am glad to see that within a year MS SQL will become a true internet Database...running on all platforms. I think that will be a big game changer. :-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "dw-murphy" <dw-murphy at cox.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 12:17:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web	app	--	finding	records	without matching related records


    
Mdb is just a file. ?Think any Windows host will allow to put on your site ?and you just use ado to interact with. ?Can also use ado.net.


Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

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From: Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk> 
Date: 05/28/2016  1:13 AM  (GMT-08:00) 
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access
 	web	app	--	finding	records	without matching related records 

Not a problem. Goggle, search,choose

Martin
________________________________
From: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
Sent: ?28/?05/?2016 00:15
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records without matching related records

The main problem is trying to find a web hosting company that will allow a MDB on their site...most deem that DB as toxic.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 1:38:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app????? --????? finding records without matching related records


Access web apps.?? I was referring to nothing else.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Doug Murphy
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 12:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
without matching related records

Jim,

Not sure what your definition of a web app is but MS seems to be playing
pretty well in this environment for the Visual studio community; see Xamarin
for developing smart phone apps for Android and IOS, MVC with Angular or
React for single page apps. If you use real tools you can pretty much do
anything you want. You do have to make an investment in learning, but that
is part of paying your dues.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 10:06 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
without matching related records

Right now there is thousands or more accurately tens of thousands of web
apps and hundreds more being created each day. In Vancouver, alone, there
are over 5.5K companies developing web applications but they are not
Microsoft developers.

Microsoft is just starting to build a system that can create a viable web
app but they are many years behind. MS produced great desktop applications,
maybe the best, but that is not the new economy.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 4:14:28 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding?? records
without matching related records

Actually...

If the 365 sub with SharePoint catches on, I can see Access web apps being
very useful. I'm already planning my next Salato app.

As MS moves toward more mobile app support and collecting data in the field,
I can see Access Web apps filling a collection and viewing niche.? And, it's
certainly easier to use -- a few hours and you've working. That's a long way
from Access desktop. I realize there are other technologies, but Access Web
apps is easy.

I don't think MS is doing a good job on pr.

Susan H.


Susan,

 You will find the number of people using web apps to be very few and far
between.

 Microsoft has been taking a stab at web apps since 2007.? 2010 was a
refinement of 2007.

 2013 was a complete reboot of the whole thing.? Since 2013, I know of
exactly four? developers that have taken a shot at them and that includes
you<g>.

 To my knowledge, there still remains only one web based Access app in the
windows store.

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun May 29 10:47:44 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2016 09:47:44 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Help with an
	Access	web	app	--	finding	records	without matching related records
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Excellent example.

Jim

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Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 1:27:20 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access	web	app	--	finding	records	without matching related records

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms971485.aspx
________________________________
From: dw-murphy<mailto:dw-murphy at cox.net>
Sent: ?28/?05/?2016 20:38
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Mdb is just a file.  Think any Windows host will allow to put on your site  and you just use ado to interact with.  Can also use ado.net.


Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
Date: 05/28/2016  1:13 AM  (GMT-08:00)
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access
         web     app     --      finding records without matching related records

Not a problem. Goggle, search,choose

Martin
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records without matching related records

The main problem is trying to find a web hosting company that will allow a MDB on their site...most deem that DB as toxic.

Jim

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Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 1:38:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app      --      finding records without matching related records


Access web apps.   I was referring to nothing else.

Jim.

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From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Doug Murphy
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 12:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
without matching related records

Jim,

Not sure what your definition of a web app is but MS seems to be playing
pretty well in this environment for the Visual studio community; see Xamarin
for developing smart phone apps for Android and IOS, MVC with Angular or
React for single page apps. If you use real tools you can pretty much do
anything you want. You do have to make an investment in learning, but that
is part of paying your dues.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 10:06 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
without matching related records

Right now there is thousands or more accurately tens of thousands of web
apps and hundreds more being created each day. In Vancouver, alone, there
are over 5.5K companies developing web applications but they are not
Microsoft developers.

Microsoft is just starting to build a system that can create a viable web
app but they are many years behind. MS produced great desktop applications,
maybe the best, but that is not the new economy.

Jim

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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 4:14:28 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding   records
without matching related records

Actually...

If the 365 sub with SharePoint catches on, I can see Access web apps being
very useful. I'm already planning my next Salato app.

As MS moves toward more mobile app support and collecting data in the field,
I can see Access Web apps filling a collection and viewing niche.  And, it's
certainly easier to use -- a few hours and you've working. That's a long way
from Access desktop. I realize there are other technologies, but Access Web
apps is easy.

I don't think MS is doing a good job on pr.

Susan H.


Susan,

 You will find the number of people using web apps to be very few and far
between.

 Microsoft has been taking a stab at web apps since 2007.  2010 was a
refinement of 2007.

 2013 was a complete reboot of the whole thing.  Since 2013, I know of
exactly four  developers that have taken a shot at them and that includes
you<g>.

 To my knowledge, there still remains only one web based Access app in the
windows store.

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun May 29 11:56:02 2016
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2016 12:56:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
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Jim et. al.

I know that I have banged this drum before, but it deserves another bang.
Forget about MS and Access and move into the much more modern world that is
delivered by Alpha Anywhere. Emphasis is on "Anywhere" -- one construction
works on phones, tablets, and traditional web browsers. In terms of
pricing, it's on the expensive side, as compared with a simple purchase of
Access, but on the other hand the Alpha team takes its project very
seriously, and what they refer to as "updates" typically include whole new
areas of functionality. IMO, there is simply no comparison with competing
products. The Alpha team delivers rock-solid software that you can use to
build front ends for smart-phone, tablet and traditional web browsers. And
to top it off, the product also includes "disconnected" abilities, ideal
for those working remotely, in places where a net-connect is difficult or
impossible.

Arthur

P.S.
I own no shares nor have any economic interest in Alpha Software. I
champion the product and the team behind it for no better reason than they
deliver great software. On their shoulders I have created several quality
apps so far, and intend to create many more.

On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Excellent example.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 1:27:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access      web     app     --
> finding records without matching related records
>
> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms971485.aspx
> ________________________________
> From: dw-murphy<mailto:dw-murphy at cox.net>
> Sent: ?28/?05/?2016 20:38
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving<mailto:
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
> without matching related records
>
>
>
> Mdb is just a file.  Think any Windows host will allow to put on your
> site  and you just use ado to interact with.  Can also use ado.net.
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
> Date: 05/28/2016  1:13 AM  (GMT-08:00)
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access
>          web     app     --      finding records without matching related
> records
>
> Not a problem. Goggle, search,choose
>
> Martin
> ________________________________
> From: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
> Sent: ?28/?05/?2016 00:15
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving<mailto:
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
> without matching related records
>
> The main problem is trying to find a web hosting company that will allow a
> MDB on their site...most deem that DB as toxic.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 1:38:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app      --      finding
> records without matching related records
>
>
> Access web apps.   I was referring to nothing else.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Doug Murphy
> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 12:52 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
> without matching related records
>
> Jim,
>
> Not sure what your definition of a web app is but MS seems to be playing
> pretty well in this environment for the Visual studio community; see
> Xamarin
> for developing smart phone apps for Android and IOS, MVC with Angular or
> React for single page apps. If you use real tools you can pretty much do
> anything you want. You do have to make an investment in learning, but that
> is part of paying your dues.
>
> Doug
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Jim
> Lawrence
> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 10:06 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
> without matching related records
>
> Right now there is thousands or more accurately tens of thousands of web
> apps and hundreds more being created each day. In Vancouver, alone, there
> are over 5.5K companies developing web applications but they are not
> Microsoft developers.
>
> Microsoft is just starting to build a system that can create a viable web
> app but they are many years behind. MS produced great desktop applications,
> maybe the best, but that is not the new economy.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 4:14:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding   records
> without matching related records
>
> Actually...
>
> If the 365 sub with SharePoint catches on, I can see Access web apps being
> very useful. I'm already planning my next Salato app.
>
> As MS moves toward more mobile app support and collecting data in the
> field,
> I can see Access Web apps filling a collection and viewing niche.  And,
> it's
> certainly easier to use -- a few hours and you've working. That's a long
> way
> from Access desktop. I realize there are other technologies, but Access Web
> apps is easy.
>
> I don't think MS is doing a good job on pr.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> Susan,
>
>  You will find the number of people using web apps to be very few and far
> between.
>
>  Microsoft has been taking a stab at web apps since 2007.  2010 was a
> refinement of 2007.
>
>  2013 was a complete reboot of the whole thing.  Since 2013, I know of
> exactly four  developers that have taken a shot at them and that includes
> you<g>.
>
>  To my knowledge, there still remains only one web based Access app in the
> windows store.
>
> Jim.
>
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun May 29 12:10:56 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2016 11:10:56 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Web site download
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See the "fair use agreement". It is codified in the US but all countries have accepted this interpretation, as in reality, the alternative is unenforceable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use

This is why crowd funding, patreon sites, product sites with contribution, donation and tip buttons installed are everywhere. Community funded news, training, service, applications, continue to grow. The beauty of these methods of funding is that the funds go directly to the creators. This type of direct maker and creator payment system could not exist if there was no internet. People are voting with their wallets...great products flourish and bad products disappear.

Here is one example of how successful crowd-funding can be, giving a new product, who makers' have requested one million in funding and their public request for funds has now exceeded that request over 9 times and the campaign is still on for another thirty days: http://kck.st/27XWMjz
The free market system in its purest form (with limited or no middlemen at all). :-)
 
Jim  

----- Original Message -----
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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 4:51:05 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Web site download

As a case in point, I have been accumulating VBA code snippets for a decade
or two, and storing them all in MS OneNote. I'm thinking of converting this
to a web site. All code snippets come with their authors' attributes.
Gustav and Shamil and Martin Reid and Breen have contributed valuable code
which I have faithfully preserved, and would like to make available.

All the code that I didn't write is accredited to the authors of same. I
wish to publish all of this. All accreditations are intact in the code that
I propose to post.

Does anyone, particularly the authors of code I want to include, which was
freely contributed to this web site, have any objection to this project?
I'm eager not to step on anyone's toes, with extra-special attention to
Gustav, JWC, Sturart amd others on this list, while also eager to share the
insights within these snippets.

Some portion of what I propose to post and make publicly available I wrote
myself. But I think that the collective weight of others outweighs my own
contributions. As I said, all the snippets I have collected contain
accreditations to their authors -- well I hope so,anyway. Some of the
snippets contain no reference to their authors, and my attempts to accord
credit where credit is due may not have been updated in a timely and
accurate fashion.

This rather large collection of code snips is currently housed within a
OneNote notebook. I'm not exactly sure how to convert this into a
collection of web pages -- I'll figure that out in due time, but I just
want to be sure that my intentions are clear: no profit motive lurks
anywhere within this project. I just want to share all the Access VBA stuff
I've collected over the years. I personally find this collection an
invaluable resource, to which I turn frequently when faced with some new
task to accomplish in Access (or Word or Excel) using VBA code.

I have sent this OneNote notebook to a couple of listers, who have
described the collection as a treasure-trove or a cornucopia of snippets.
So I wish to make it publicly available, with no profit motive in sight and
none intended.

Does anyone have any insights as to how to convert a OneNote notebook into
a series of web pages? I could do it by hand, but there are numerous
sections within which are dozens of pages, and conversion by hand could
take a while.

Arthur

On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 12:34 PM, Dickford Cohn <dickford1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> That's a good question. I don't know the answer. Leaving it where it is
> shouldn't present a burden, I would think. I'm guessing...but this suggests
> that there is some sort of ongoing financial arrangement that is required
> to be maintained with contributors, etc. That plus any extended liability.
> Just a wild-ass guess, of course.
>
> Dickford
>
> On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 12:29 PM, John R Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net>
> wrote:
>
> > All good points. And I agree the author's rights are being trampled upon
> > by the internet remoras like google.
> >
> > An aside, how it is "saving them money" by taking the content down? Why
> > don't they just leave it as is?
> >
> > Seriously, if the small cost of hosting existing data is going to help
> > make the BBC solvent, then collapse can't be far behind.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-OT [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Dickford Cohn
> > Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 7:56 AM
> > To: Off Topic
> > Subject: Re: [dba-OT] Web site download
> >
> > Excellent rebuttal, Bryan! No, you're not missing anything...
> >
> > BTW, how's the old bod doin'?
> >
> > Dickford
> >
> > On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 8:51 AM, Bryan Carbonnell <carbonnb at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Inline...
> > >
> > > On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 8:22 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> > > > That is of course technically speaking and what I have been
> > > > complaining
> > > about for a long time.
> > > >
> > > > Our governments have set the bar by feeling they have rights to
> > > everything and everyone. It is a do as we say not as we do. You can
> > > see why confusion as to who owns what is not as clear cut as it use to
> > be.
> > >
> > > What? I'm not sure what you are talking about. The content on the BBC
> > > website IS their IP unless they got the content from someone else. And
> > > in their terms they clearly state that.
> > >
> > > There is no confusion. The content, ANY content is owned by the
> > > author/creator. Full stop. They own it. They have the copyright on it.
> > > They get to decide how it gets used. Period. End of discussion. Ain't
> > > no confusion there. It is pretty clear.
> > >
> > > Even if they release the content as open source, it's still their
> > > copyright. They still get to decide how it's used by the open source
> > > licence they assign to it and if it gets misused, then they have every
> > > right to seek restitution in court.
> > >
> > > Maybe its difference in BC, bu that's the way it is everywhere I've
> been.
> > >
> > > > On the rights to books; many authors would be pleased of your
> > > > support
> > > but large corporations like Google seem to be able to interpret DRM as
> > > to their convenience and profit. As most books are not even printed it
> > > is unlikely that I will be able to find a rare author even in the book
> > > bin. An author whose only books are digital may be able to win the
> > > case of protecting their rights to receive fair payment but then they
> > > will have to be willing to market their own product on the web. An
> > > effort that is apparently too complex for most so many great books
> > > have just been lost...sad.
> > >
> > > Yea, and Google has been to court for the way they have interpreted
> > > DRM. Not sure what your point is.
> > >
> > > > Aside: I am sure there is a business opportunity waiting to be
> > > > explored
> > > but I am not up to the challenge.
> > > >
> > > > As for BBC's web information it is predicated around its subsequent
> > use.
> > > It basically can be used for free but only for personal use and the
> > > information can not be sold or distributed, in any format, without the
> > > express consent of BBC.
> > >
> > > Yea, and what's wrong with that? They own the content. It's their IP.
> > > They paid someone to come up with it, be it a food blog, a news story,
> > > a sports story, or anything else that's there. They get to decide how
> > > it's used.
> > >
> > > I really don't see why it's so hard to understand when someone creates
> > > something, they own the rights to decide how its' used, be it a person
> > > or a business. Unless I'm missing something.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
> > > Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a
> > > well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
> > > shouting "What a great ride!"
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>



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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue May 31 07:01:07 2016
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 08:01:07 -0400
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<<Excellent example.>>

 Not really...no matter what, you can't run JET/ACE over a WAN, unless it's
a very high end one.  DAO or ADO, it doesn't matter. 

 If your talking about RDP'ing onto a sever and running locally, then yes,
you can be "in the cloud".   But the hosting does need to be more than a
simple file share.   It must be hosted on a OS that has the ability to place
locks on a file.  You can't use something like One Drive or Dropbox.

 Looking back over the thread, I'm not sure where this went astray, but
Susan was referring specifically to Access Web Apps, which are "Access" in
name only.

 They are developed with the Access Client like a desktop DB, but they are
hosted through SharePoint, and store data in a Azure DB.  Here's a good
overview:

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/jj250134.aspx

 This is what I was talking about that so far, has gone no where.

 If missed understanding at some point and am stating the obvious, my
apologies, but it seems like this went off track somewhere along the line.

Jim.

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From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2016 11:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
without matching related records

Excellent example.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 1:27:20 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access	web	app	--
finding	records	without matching related records

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms971485.aspx
________________________________
From: dw-murphy<mailto:dw-murphy at cox.net>
Sent: ?28/?05/?2016 20:38
To: Access Developers discussion and problem
solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
without matching related records



Mdb is just a file.  Think any Windows host will allow to put on your site
and you just use ado to interact with.  Can also use ado.net.


Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
Date: 05/28/2016  1:13 AM  (GMT-08:00)
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access
         web     app     --      finding records without matching related
records

Not a problem. Goggle, search,choose

Martin
________________________________
From: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
Sent: ?28/?05/?2016 00:15
To: Access Developers discussion and problem
solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
without matching related records

The main problem is trying to find a web hosting company that will allow a
MDB on their site...most deem that DB as toxic.

Jim

<<Snip>>



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue May 31 09:31:19 2016
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 10:31:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
 without matching related records
In-Reply-To: <F4C4C4DC730B438E82C22975B5337137@XPS>
References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC8543AB44@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<573171792.38594862.1464536864680.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
	<F4C4C4DC730B438E82C22975B5337137@XPS>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1h2gENb0oGHpk3OMbNG+CW+cRD_nYOQGyw=y91OEGcEqw@mail.gmail.com>

Jim Dettman's words are worth additional emphasis. There is no such beast
as an Access app for the web. Period. As I've stated before, the fastest
route from A(ccess) to B (web) is Alpha Anywhere. No other product even
vaguely compares. Write once, deploy anywhere -- smart phone, tablet,
traditional browser -- no changes, no code to detect the platform, none of
that. It's all handled for you.

Arthur

?

From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Tue May 31 10:07:28 2016
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 15:07:28 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
 without matching related records
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1h2gENb0oGHpk3OMbNG+CW+cRD_nYOQGyw=y91OEGcEqw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC8543AB44@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<573171792.38594862.1464536864680.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
	<F4C4C4DC730B438E82C22975B5337137@XPS>
	<CAEPJO1h2gENb0oGHpk3OMbNG+CW+cRD_nYOQGyw=y91OEGcEqw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA862A98A02@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>

I'm sure it's fabulous, but $1,499 per year is a little steep for small shops.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 10:31 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records without matching related records

Jim Dettman's words are worth additional emphasis. There is no such beast as an Access app for the web. Period. As I've stated before, the fastest route from A(ccess) to B (web) is Alpha Anywhere. No other product even vaguely compares. Write once, deploy anywhere -- smart phone, tablet, traditional browser -- no changes, no code to detect the platform, none of that. It's all handled for you.

Arthur

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue May 31 12:16:14 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 11:16:14 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Help with
	an	Access	web	app	--	finding	records	without matching related
	records
In-Reply-To: <F4C4C4DC730B438E82C22975B5337137@XPS>
Message-ID: <2024604081.40443810.1464714974973.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Actually, I ran some huge ADO WAN data networks but the backend was not a MDB. Its the double knock out punch of DAO and MDB that halted Access's ability to ever progress beyond the desktop.

You are right that the new Access is the Access of old in name only.

Aside: You can use OpenVPN which uses SSL protocol. It is a encrypted tunnel that can run across the network or anywhere on the internet. To the client, this tunnel is just another local drive letter or location. New routers by netgear, use WRT and OpenVPN software (they limit access to six connections but for a small cheap router this is probably a physical limitation.)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 5:01:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an	Access	web	app	--	finding	records	without matching related records


<<Excellent example.>>

 Not really...no matter what, you can't run JET/ACE over a WAN, unless it's
a very high end one.  DAO or ADO, it doesn't matter. 

 If your talking about RDP'ing onto a sever and running locally, then yes,
you can be "in the cloud".   But the hosting does need to be more than a
simple file share.   It must be hosted on a OS that has the ability to place
locks on a file.  You can't use something like One Drive or Dropbox.

 Looking back over the thread, I'm not sure where this went astray, but
Susan was referring specifically to Access Web Apps, which are "Access" in
name only.

 They are developed with the Access Client like a desktop DB, but they are
hosted through SharePoint, and store data in a Azure DB.  Here's a good
overview:

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/jj250134.aspx

 This is what I was talking about that so far, has gone no where.

 If missed understanding at some point and am stating the obvious, my
apologies, but it seems like this went off track somewhere along the line.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2016 11:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
without matching related records

Excellent example.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 1:27:20 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access	web	app	--
finding	records	without matching related records

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms971485.aspx
________________________________
From: dw-murphy<mailto:dw-murphy at cox.net>
Sent: ?28/?05/?2016 20:38
To: Access Developers discussion and problem
solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
without matching related records



Mdb is just a file.  Think any Windows host will allow to put on your site
and you just use ado to interact with.  Can also use ado.net.


Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
Date: 05/28/2016  1:13 AM  (GMT-08:00)
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access
         web     app     --      finding records without matching related
records

Not a problem. Goggle, search,choose

Martin
________________________________
From: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
Sent: ?28/?05/?2016 00:15
To: Access Developers discussion and problem
solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
without matching related records

The main problem is trying to find a web hosting company that will allow a
MDB on their site...most deem that DB as toxic.

Jim

<<Snip>>


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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Tue May 31 13:07:16 2016
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 11:07:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Help with
	an	Access	web	app	--	finding	records	without matching related
	records
In-Reply-To: <101p1t00S0xgD8Z0101rd3>
References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC8543AB44@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>	<573171792.38594862.1464536864680.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
	<101p1t00S0xgD8Z0101rd3>
Message-ID: <011401d1bb67$43b1b3c0$cb151b40$@cox.net>

My only point in joining this discussion was to correct the statement that
web hosts won't allow mdb files on their sites. All the windows hosts that I
am familiar with have no problems with mdb. They may not do the dns for you
but using dns-less connections makes this irrelevant. An mdb isn't a high
traffic data store but for a low traffic site that has some data storage
requirements they work just fine if SQL server or MySQL are not available.
Using ADO you can get pretty good performance with web pages. Drew pointed
this out many moons ago.

I cannot defend MS for what they have done to Access, trying to pervert it
to the Swill Army Knife for database systems. The Access client applications
are still relevant, and cost effective, particularly when coupled with SQL
server for the back end. Access for web Apps or development is not a
solution. If you want to do web apps or Web sites, or Apps in general
Microsoft has provided a great environment in Visual Studio. They have
provided the Windows developer with tools to play in all arenas, Web
development that can incorporate all the latest frameworks e.g., Anugular,
React, NodeJS, JQuery, and many more that I am not familiar with. You can
create native phone apps for Android or IPhone using Xamarin, web apps with
ASP.NET. And they give the basic development environment to your at no cost
in the Visual Studio Community edition. Let's be honest, if you're going to
develop systems to work on the web you're going to have to pay your dues and
learn some web technology HTML, Java Script, CSS, C#, PHP or some
development language. You may get tools to do some of the work like Access
will build forms and reports but, you will eventually have to pop the hood
and customize. And for security reasons you should know how the technology
works.

Arthur likes Alpha Anywhere which looks like a great tool, but to me is
limiting in hosting options and is expensive. I have nothing against it,
just like to create things that I have control over.

I am encouraged by the direction MS is taking in general, but discouraged
with the latest versions of Access. 

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 5:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
without matching related records


<<Excellent example.>>

 Not really...no matter what, you can't run JET/ACE over a WAN, unless it's
a very high end one.  DAO or ADO, it doesn't matter. 

 If your talking about RDP'ing onto a sever and running locally, then yes,
you can be "in the cloud".   But the hosting does need to be more than a
simple file share.   It must be hosted on a OS that has the ability to place
locks on a file.  You can't use something like One Drive or Dropbox.

 Looking back over the thread, I'm not sure where this went astray, but
Susan was referring specifically to Access Web Apps, which are "Access" in
name only.

 They are developed with the Access Client like a desktop DB, but they are
hosted through SharePoint, and store data in a Azure DB.  Here's a good
overview:

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/jj250134.aspx

 This is what I was talking about that so far, has gone no where.

 If missed understanding at some point and am stating the obvious, my
apologies, but it seems like this went off track somewhere along the line.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2016 11:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
without matching related records

Excellent example.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 1:27:20 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access	web	app	--
finding	records	without matching related records

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms971485.aspx
________________________________
From: dw-murphy<mailto:dw-murphy at cox.net>
Sent: ?28/?05/?2016 20:38
To: Access Developers discussion and problem
solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
without matching related records



Mdb is just a file.  Think any Windows host will allow to put on your site
and you just use ado to interact with.  Can also use ado.net.


Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
Date: 05/28/2016  1:13 AM  (GMT-08:00)
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access
         web     app     --      finding records without matching related
records

Not a problem. Goggle, search,choose

Martin
________________________________
From: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
Sent: ?28/?05/?2016 00:15
To: Access Developers discussion and problem
solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
without matching related records

The main problem is trying to find a web hosting company that will allow a
MDB on their site...most deem that DB as toxic.

Jim

<<Snip>>


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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue May 31 13:29:25 2016
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 14:29:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Help
 with	an	Access	web	app	--	finding	records	without matching related	records
In-Reply-To: <2024604081.40443810.1464714974973.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <F4C4C4DC730B438E82C22975B5337137@XPS>
	<2024604081.40443810.1464714974973.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <500B8C7E071C40AD8013DD849B089F1E@XPS>

Jim,

<<Its the double knock out punch of DAO and MDB that halted Access's ability
to ever progress beyond the desktop.>>

 I would agree on the DB engine, but not DAO. Even using ADO over a WAN with
a JET/ACE based DB can give you corruption.  It's the fundamental design of
JET itself that is the issue. But then again it was designed from the ground
up as a department level RDBMS.  

 Actually the "blue" version used with Exchange was more robust as they
added transaction level logging, but the goal was an embeddable engine and
not a general use one.

<<Aside: You can use OpenVPN which uses SSL protocol.>>

 Doesn't matter.  What matters is the basic design and as a result, the
network connectivity that is acceptable.

 Instead of one DB engine instance touching the DB, you have multiple
instances touching it.  So any problems with connectivity will give you
issues and the more connections you have, the more likely you will have
problems.   That's why it's hard to get much past 30-40 users with a
typically read/write app.   Just too many connections to keep stable.

 As far as connectivity, anything more than 30-40 milliseconds of latency
gets you into dangerous territory.  And performance wise, anything less than
40mb/sec or so yields dismal performance assuming a typically written Access
app (bound forms).   You an get a round the performance issue to a certain
extent by using a client/server type mentality, but there's no way around
the latency issue.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 01:16 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
without matching related records

Actually, I ran some huge ADO WAN data networks but the backend was not a
MDB. Its the double knock out punch of DAO and MDB that halted Access's
ability to ever progress beyond the desktop.

You are right that the new Access is the Access of old in name only.

Aside: You can use OpenVPN which uses SSL protocol. It is a encrypted tunnel
that can run across the network or anywhere on the internet. To the client,
this tunnel is just another local drive letter or location. New routers by
netgear, use WRT and OpenVPN software (they limit access to six connections
but for a small cheap router this is probably a physical limitation.)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 5:01:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an	Access	web	app	--
finding	records	without matching related records


<<Excellent example.>>

 Not really...no matter what, you can't run JET/ACE over a WAN, unless it's
a very high end one.  DAO or ADO, it doesn't matter. 

 If your talking about RDP'ing onto a sever and running locally, then yes,
you can be "in the cloud".   But the hosting does need to be more than a
simple file share.   It must be hosted on a OS that has the ability to place
locks on a file.  You can't use something like One Drive or Dropbox.

 Looking back over the thread, I'm not sure where this went astray, but
Susan was referring specifically to Access Web Apps, which are "Access" in
name only.

 They are developed with the Access Client like a desktop DB, but they are
hosted through SharePoint, and store data in a Azure DB.  Here's a good
overview:

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/jj250134.aspx

 This is what I was talking about that so far, has gone no where.

 If missed understanding at some point and am stating the obvious, my
apologies, but it seems like this went off track somewhere along the line.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2016 11:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
without matching related records

Excellent example.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 1:27:20 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access	web	app	--
finding	records	without matching related records

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms971485.aspx
________________________________
From: dw-murphy<mailto:dw-murphy at cox.net>
Sent: ?28/?05/?2016 20:38
To: Access Developers discussion and problem
solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
without matching related records



Mdb is just a file.  Think any Windows host will allow to put on your site
and you just use ado to interact with.  Can also use ado.net.


Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
Date: 05/28/2016  1:13 AM  (GMT-08:00)
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access
         web     app     --      finding records without matching related
records

Not a problem. Goggle, search,choose

Martin
________________________________
From: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
Sent: ?28/?05/?2016 00:15
To: Access Developers discussion and problem
solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with an Access web app -- finding records
without matching related records

The main problem is trying to find a web hosting company that will allow a
MDB on their site...most deem that DB as toxic.

Jim

<<Snip>>


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