From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Nov  1 22:00:00 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 20:00:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Windows on a Mac
Message-ID: <027901d234b5$33928150$9ab783f0$@bchacc.com>

What's the current gold standard for running Windows on a Mac?

 

MTIA

 

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

 <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com

 <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com

Skype: rocky.smolin

 

 


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Nov  1 23:04:46 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 21:04:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!
Message-ID: <02ae01d234be$3fd797d0$bf86c770$@bchacc.com>

Dear List(s):

 

I am running an accdb in A2010.  I want to convert a report to a pdf and
attach it to an email.  This works perfectly on my machine.  

 

At the client site it does not. I spent two hours there today trying
everything I could think of -  checking Microsoft update for patches fixes,
updates, etc., decompiling, compact and repair, lacing the code with
DoEvents, running as administrator - nothing worked.  I did track the
problematic line of code.  It is the line with 

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport

 

And Access Stopped Working on this line of code almost every time.  I say
almost because a couple of times it ran - generated both pdfs and popped up
the email with the two report pdfs attached!  Which is why I tried the
DoEvents.  But it barfed pretty consistently on that first DoCmd.OutputTo
acOutputReport,

 

Here's the code:

 

strFrontEndPath = db.Name

Do While Right(strFrontEndPath, 1) <> "\"

    strFrontEndPath = Left(strFrontEndPath, Len(strFrontEndPath) - 1)

Loop

strRAPDFName = strFrontEndPath & "RentalAgreement-" _

    & Me.cboNameAndAddress.Column(1) & "-" _

    & Me.fldRAHOrderNumber & ".pdf"

strRAPDFName = Replace(strRAPDFName, "*", "")

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)",
strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint

'Call ConvertReportToPDF("rptRentalAgreement", , strRAPDFName, , False)

 

strCCPPDFName = strFrontEndPath & "CreditCardPermission-" _

    & Me.cboNameAndAddress.Column(1) & "-" _

    & Me.fldRAHOrderNumber & ".pdf"

strCCPPDFName = Replace(strCCPPDFName, "*", "")

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptCreditCardPermissionForEmail",
"PDFFormat(*.pdf)", strCCPPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint

'Call ConvertReportToPDF("rptCreditCardPermissionForEmail", , strCCPPDFName,
, False)

 

 

You can see the previous legacy code which worked for a long time in A2003 -
the calls to ConvertToPDF - which I have commented out.  That doesn't work
anymore.  

 

So I'm really stumped.  Has anyone had this problem and found a solution?
Two martinis to the genius who can post an effective fix.

 

MTIA

 

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

 <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com

 <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com

Skype: rocky.smolin

 

 


From dbdoug at gmail.com  Tue Nov  1 23:58:58 2016
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 21:58:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Windows on a Mac
In-Reply-To: <027901d234b5$33928150$9ab783f0$@bchacc.com>
References: <027901d234b5$33928150$9ab783f0$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <CAFa8NkhYCHmYUK9jg46ym4q4fL=BB335sLiN7yxB3DPo6FD_Bw@mail.gmail.com>

I use both Parallels and VMWare Fusion.  They work well but Parallels would
be my choice as it is faster to access files outside the VM. Fusion seems
to lose the connection to the 'external' file system whenever it isn't
being accessed, and takes a couple of seconds to get it back.

I used to use Bootcamp but I prefer a VM where I can switch back and forth
between OSX and Windows.

Doug

On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 8:00 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> What's the current gold standard for running Windows on a Mac?
>
>
>
> MTIA
>
>
>
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 760-683-5777
>
>  <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com
>
>  <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
>
>
>
>
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From dbdoug at gmail.com  Wed Nov  2 00:09:21 2016
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 22:09:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!
In-Reply-To: <02ae01d234be$3fd797d0$bf86c770$@bchacc.com>
References: <02ae01d234be$3fd797d0$bf86c770$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <CAFa8NkiN8iKFKeX6og2vg5T8er+8wDXv-D1tfag2ry4gWkkMnA@mail.gmail.com>

In my OutputTo statements, I use the built in parameter acFormatPDF instead
of "PDFFormat(*.pdf)", but according to the Object Browser they should be
completely equivalent.  But it might be worth a try.

When this kind of thing happened at my old job, my manager would tell me to
swing a lizard around my head three times then try the code again.
Surprising how often that worked...

Doug

On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 9:04 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Dear List(s):
>
>
>
> I am running an accdb in A2010.  I want to convert a report to a pdf and
> attach it to an email.  This works perfectly on my machine.
>
>
>
> At the client site it does not. I spent two hours there today trying
> everything I could think of -  checking Microsoft update for patches fixes,
> updates, etc., decompiling, compact and repair, lacing the code with
> DoEvents, running as administrator - nothing worked.  I did track the
> problematic line of code.  It is the line with
>
>
>
> DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport
>
>
>
> And Access Stopped Working on this line of code almost every time.  I say
> almost because a couple of times it ran - generated both pdfs and popped up
> the email with the two report pdfs attached!  Which is why I tried the
> DoEvents.  But it barfed pretty consistently on that first DoCmd.OutputTo
> acOutputReport,
>
>
>
> Here's the code:
>
>
>
> strFrontEndPath = db.Name
>
> Do While Right(strFrontEndPath, 1) <> "\"
>
>     strFrontEndPath = Left(strFrontEndPath, Len(strFrontEndPath) - 1)
>
> Loop
>
> strRAPDFName = strFrontEndPath & "RentalAgreement-" _
>
>     & Me.cboNameAndAddress.Column(1) & "-" _
>
>     & Me.fldRAHOrderNumber & ".pdf"
>
> strRAPDFName = Replace(strRAPDFName, "*", "")
>
>
>
> DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)",
> strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint
>
> 'Call ConvertReportToPDF("rptRentalAgreement", , strRAPDFName, , False)
>
>
>
> strCCPPDFName = strFrontEndPath & "CreditCardPermission-" _
>
>     & Me.cboNameAndAddress.Column(1) & "-" _
>
>     & Me.fldRAHOrderNumber & ".pdf"
>
> strCCPPDFName = Replace(strCCPPDFName, "*", "")
>
>
>
> DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptCreditCardPermissionForEmail",
> "PDFFormat(*.pdf)", strCCPPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint
>
> 'Call ConvertReportToPDF("rptCreditCardPermissionForEmail", ,
> strCCPPDFName,
> , False)
>
>
>
>
>
> You can see the previous legacy code which worked for a long time in A2003
> -
> the calls to ConvertToPDF - which I have commented out.  That doesn't work
> anymore.
>
>
>
> So I'm really stumped.  Has anyone had this problem and found a solution?
> Two martinis to the genius who can post an effective fix.
>
>
>
> MTIA
>
>
>
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 760-683-5777
>
>  <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com
>
>  <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
>
>
>
>
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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Wed Nov  2 00:09:51 2016
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 18:09:51 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!
In-Reply-To: <02ae01d234be$3fd797d0$bf86c770$@bchacc.com>
References: <02ae01d234be$3fd797d0$bf86c770$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <00c201d234c7$57eafd40$07c0f7c0$@dalyn.co.nz>

Hi Rocky,

I had a similar situation.  I read somewhere that opening the report hidden
first solves the problem

DoCmd.OpenReport " rptRentalAgreement ", acPreview, , , acHidden
DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)",
strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint


I also noticed in the second line above (copied from your code) you have a '
after False - this may cause a problem as well.

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2016 5:05 p.m.
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

Dear List(s):

 

I am running an accdb in A2010.  I want to convert a report to a pdf and
attach it to an email.  This works perfectly on my machine.  

 

At the client site it does not. I spent two hours there today trying
everything I could think of -  checking Microsoft update for patches fixes,
updates, etc., decompiling, compact and repair, lacing the code with
DoEvents, running as administrator - nothing worked.  I did track the
problematic line of code.  It is the line with 

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport

 

And Access Stopped Working on this line of code almost every time.  I say
almost because a couple of times it ran - generated both pdfs and popped up
the email with the two report pdfs attached!  Which is why I tried the
DoEvents.  But it barfed pretty consistently on that first DoCmd.OutputTo
acOutputReport,

 

Here's the code:

 

strFrontEndPath = db.Name

Do While Right(strFrontEndPath, 1) <> "\"

    strFrontEndPath = Left(strFrontEndPath, Len(strFrontEndPath) - 1)

Loop

strRAPDFName = strFrontEndPath & "RentalAgreement-" _

    & Me.cboNameAndAddress.Column(1) & "-" _

    & Me.fldRAHOrderNumber & ".pdf"

strRAPDFName = Replace(strRAPDFName, "*", "")

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)",
strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint

'Call ConvertReportToPDF("rptRentalAgreement", , strRAPDFName, , False)

 

strCCPPDFName = strFrontEndPath & "CreditCardPermission-" _

    & Me.cboNameAndAddress.Column(1) & "-" _

    & Me.fldRAHOrderNumber & ".pdf"

strCCPPDFName = Replace(strCCPPDFName, "*", "")

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptCreditCardPermissionForEmail",
"PDFFormat(*.pdf)", strCCPPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint

'Call ConvertReportToPDF("rptCreditCardPermissionForEmail", , strCCPPDFName,
, False)

 

 

You can see the previous legacy code which worked for a long time in A2003 -
the calls to ConvertToPDF - which I have commented out.  That doesn't work
anymore.  

 

So I'm really stumped.  Has anyone had this problem and found a solution?
Two martinis to the genius who can post an effective fix.

 

MTIA

 

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

 <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com

 <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com

Skype: rocky.smolin

 

 

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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Wed Nov  2 00:12:12 2016
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 18:12:12 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!
In-Reply-To: <00c201d234c7$57eafd40$07c0f7c0$@dalyn.co.nz>
References: <02ae01d234be$3fd797d0$bf86c770$@bchacc.com>
	<00c201d234c7$57eafd40$07c0f7c0$@dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <00c701d234c7$ab7ba8b0$0272fa10$@dalyn.co.nz>

Sorry - line breaks didn't come across.  Should have been 

DoCmd.OpenReport " rptRentalAgreement ", acPreview, , , acHidden

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)",
strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
David Emerson
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2016 6:10 p.m.
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'List'; 'Off Topic'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

Hi Rocky,

I had a similar situation.  I read somewhere that opening the report hidden
first solves the problem

DoCmd.OpenReport " rptRentalAgreement ", acPreview, , , acHidden
DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)",
strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint


I also noticed in the second line above (copied from your code) you have a '
after False - this may cause a problem as well.

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2016 5:05 p.m.
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

Dear List(s):

 

I am running an accdb in A2010.  I want to convert a report to a pdf and
attach it to an email.  This works perfectly on my machine.  

 

At the client site it does not. I spent two hours there today trying
everything I could think of -  checking Microsoft update for patches fixes,
updates, etc., decompiling, compact and repair, lacing the code with
DoEvents, running as administrator - nothing worked.  I did track the
problematic line of code.  It is the line with 

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport

 

And Access Stopped Working on this line of code almost every time.  I say
almost because a couple of times it ran - generated both pdfs and popped up
the email with the two report pdfs attached!  Which is why I tried the
DoEvents.  But it barfed pretty consistently on that first DoCmd.OutputTo
acOutputReport,

 

Here's the code:

 

strFrontEndPath = db.Name

Do While Right(strFrontEndPath, 1) <> "\"

    strFrontEndPath = Left(strFrontEndPath, Len(strFrontEndPath) - 1)

Loop

strRAPDFName = strFrontEndPath & "RentalAgreement-" _

    & Me.cboNameAndAddress.Column(1) & "-" _

    & Me.fldRAHOrderNumber & ".pdf"

strRAPDFName = Replace(strRAPDFName, "*", "")

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)",
strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint

'Call ConvertReportToPDF("rptRentalAgreement", , strRAPDFName, , False)

 

strCCPPDFName = strFrontEndPath & "CreditCardPermission-" _

    & Me.cboNameAndAddress.Column(1) & "-" _

    & Me.fldRAHOrderNumber & ".pdf"

strCCPPDFName = Replace(strCCPPDFName, "*", "")

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptCreditCardPermissionForEmail",
"PDFFormat(*.pdf)", strCCPPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint

'Call ConvertReportToPDF("rptCreditCardPermissionForEmail", , strCCPPDFName,
, False)

 

 

You can see the previous legacy code which worked for a long time in A2003 -
the calls to ConvertToPDF - which I have commented out.  That doesn't work
anymore.  

 

So I'm really stumped.  Has anyone had this problem and found a solution?
Two martinis to the genius who can post an effective fix.

 

MTIA

 

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

 <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com

 <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com

Skype: rocky.smolin

 

 

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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Wed Nov  2 00:13:56 2016
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 22:13:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!
In-Reply-To: <CAFa8NkiN8iKFKeX6og2vg5T8er+8wDXv-D1tfag2ry4gWkkMnA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <02ae01d234be$3fd797d0$bf86c770$@bchacc.com>
	<CAFa8NkiN8iKFKeX6og2vg5T8er+8wDXv-D1tfag2ry4gWkkMnA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_EnT6n597uWvgm62H8fU3fGtKFBpTE=mtWmxQ8XT4Tsw@mail.gmail.com>

I do the same thing, Doug.  It's too easy for me to mistype the string.

Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 10:09 PM, Doug Steele <dbdoug at gmail.com> wrote:

> In my OutputTo statements, I use the built in parameter acFormatPDF instead
> of "PDFFormat(*.pdf)", but according to the Object Browser they should be
> completely equivalent.  But it might be worth a try.
>
> When this kind of thing happened at my old job, my manager would tell me to
> swing a lizard around my head three times then try the code again.
> Surprising how often that worked...
>
> Doug
>
> On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 9:04 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Dear List(s):
> >
> >
> >
> > I am running an accdb in A2010.  I want to convert a report to a pdf and
> > attach it to an email.  This works perfectly on my machine.
> >
> >
> >
> > At the client site it does not. I spent two hours there today trying
> > everything I could think of -  checking Microsoft update for patches
> fixes,
> > updates, etc., decompiling, compact and repair, lacing the code with
> > DoEvents, running as administrator - nothing worked.  I did track the
> > problematic line of code.  It is the line with
> >
> >
> >
> > DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport
> >
> >
> >
> > And Access Stopped Working on this line of code almost every time.  I say
> > almost because a couple of times it ran - generated both pdfs and popped
> up
> > the email with the two report pdfs attached!  Which is why I tried the
> > DoEvents.  But it barfed pretty consistently on that first DoCmd.OutputTo
> > acOutputReport,
> >
> >
> >
> > Here's the code:
> >
> >
> >
> > strFrontEndPath = db.Name
> >
> > Do While Right(strFrontEndPath, 1) <> "\"
> >
> >     strFrontEndPath = Left(strFrontEndPath, Len(strFrontEndPath) - 1)
> >
> > Loop
> >
> > strRAPDFName = strFrontEndPath & "RentalAgreement-" _
> >
> >     & Me.cboNameAndAddress.Column(1) & "-" _
> >
> >     & Me.fldRAHOrderNumber & ".pdf"
> >
> > strRAPDFName = Replace(strRAPDFName, "*", "")
> >
> >
> >
> > DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)",
> > strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint
> >
> > 'Call ConvertReportToPDF("rptRentalAgreement", , strRAPDFName, , False)
> >
> >
> >
> > strCCPPDFName = strFrontEndPath & "CreditCardPermission-" _
> >
> >     & Me.cboNameAndAddress.Column(1) & "-" _
> >
> >     & Me.fldRAHOrderNumber & ".pdf"
> >
> > strCCPPDFName = Replace(strCCPPDFName, "*", "")
> >
> >
> >
> > DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptCreditCardPermissionForEmail",
> > "PDFFormat(*.pdf)", strCCPPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint
> >
> > 'Call ConvertReportToPDF("rptCreditCardPermissionForEmail", ,
> > strCCPPDFName,
> > , False)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > You can see the previous legacy code which worked for a long time in
> A2003
> > -
> > the calls to ConvertToPDF - which I have commented out.  That doesn't
> work
> > anymore.
> >
> >
> >
> > So I'm really stumped.  Has anyone had this problem and found a solution?
> > Two martinis to the genius who can post an effective fix.
> >
> >
> >
> > MTIA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> >
> > Beach Access Software
> >
> > 760-683-5777
> >
> >  <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com
> >
> >  <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com
> >
> > Skype: rocky.smolin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Nov  2 00:34:22 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 22:34:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Windows on a Mac
In-Reply-To: <CAFa8NkhYCHmYUK9jg46ym4q4fL=BB335sLiN7yxB3DPo6FD_Bw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <027901d234b5$33928150$9ab783f0$@bchacc.com>
	<CAFa8NkhYCHmYUK9jg46ym4q4fL=BB335sLiN7yxB3DPo6FD_Bw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001301d234ca$c4293a00$4c7bae00$@bchacc.com>

Thanks Doug.  Will forward to the colleague that asked the question.

Regards,

R


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Doug Steele
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows on a Mac

I use both Parallels and VMWare Fusion.  They work well but Parallels would
be my choice as it is faster to access files outside the VM. Fusion seems to
lose the connection to the 'external' file system whenever it isn't being
accessed, and takes a couple of seconds to get it back.

I used to use Bootcamp but I prefer a VM where I can switch back and forth
between OSX and Windows.

Doug

On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 8:00 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> What's the current gold standard for running Windows on a Mac?
>
>
>
> MTIA
>
>
>
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 760-683-5777
>
>  <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com
>
>  <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
>
>
>
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Nov  2 00:35:37 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 22:35:37 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!
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OK - I'll try the lizard thing first, then.

Thx

Rocky

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Doug Steele
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 10:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

In my OutputTo statements, I use the built in parameter acFormatPDF instead
of "PDFFormat(*.pdf)", but according to the Object Browser they should be
completely equivalent.  But it might be worth a try.

When this kind of thing happened at my old job, my manager would tell me to
swing a lizard around my head three times then try the code again.
Surprising how often that worked...

Doug

On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 9:04 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Dear List(s):
>
>
>
> I am running an accdb in A2010.  I want to convert a report to a pdf 
> and attach it to an email.  This works perfectly on my machine.
>
>
>
> At the client site it does not. I spent two hours there today trying 
> everything I could think of -  checking Microsoft update for patches 
> fixes, updates, etc., decompiling, compact and repair, lacing the code 
> with DoEvents, running as administrator - nothing worked.  I did track 
> the problematic line of code.  It is the line with
>
>
>
> DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport
>
>
>
> And Access Stopped Working on this line of code almost every time.  I 
> say almost because a couple of times it ran - generated both pdfs and 
> popped up the email with the two report pdfs attached!  Which is why I 
> tried the DoEvents.  But it barfed pretty consistently on that first 
> DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport,
>
>
>
> Here's the code:
>
>
>
> strFrontEndPath = db.Name
>
> Do While Right(strFrontEndPath, 1) <> "\"
>
>     strFrontEndPath = Left(strFrontEndPath, Len(strFrontEndPath) - 1)
>
> Loop
>
> strRAPDFName = strFrontEndPath & "RentalAgreement-" _
>
>     & Me.cboNameAndAddress.Column(1) & "-" _
>
>     & Me.fldRAHOrderNumber & ".pdf"
>
> strRAPDFName = Replace(strRAPDFName, "*", "")
>
>
>
> DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", 
> "PDFFormat(*.pdf)", strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint
>
> 'Call ConvertReportToPDF("rptRentalAgreement", , strRAPDFName, , 
> False)
>
>
>
> strCCPPDFName = strFrontEndPath & "CreditCardPermission-" _
>
>     & Me.cboNameAndAddress.Column(1) & "-" _
>
>     & Me.fldRAHOrderNumber & ".pdf"
>
> strCCPPDFName = Replace(strCCPPDFName, "*", "")
>
>
>
> DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptCreditCardPermissionForEmail",
> "PDFFormat(*.pdf)", strCCPPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint
>
> 'Call ConvertReportToPDF("rptCreditCardPermissionForEmail", , 
> strCCPPDFName, , False)
>
>
>
>
>
> You can see the previous legacy code which worked for a long time in 
> A2003
> -
> the calls to ConvertToPDF - which I have commented out.  That doesn't 
> work anymore.
>
>
>
> So I'm really stumped.  Has anyone had this problem and found a solution?
> Two martinis to the genius who can post an effective fix.
>
>
>
> MTIA
>
>
>
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 760-683-5777
>
>  <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com
>
>  <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
>
>
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Nov  2 00:37:27 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 22:37:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!
In-Reply-To: <00c201d234c7$57eafd40$07c0f7c0$@dalyn.co.nz>
References: <02ae01d234be$3fd797d0$bf86c770$@bchacc.com>
	<00c201d234c7$57eafd40$07c0f7c0$@dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <001b01d234cb$328b2170$97a16450$@bchacc.com>

I'll try that tomorrow. Un-commenting the last two parameters of the
OutputTo didn't change the result.  Still barfed.  

I assume then after the output to you close the hidden report?

Thx

R

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
David Emerson
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 10:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'List'; 'Off Topic'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

Hi Rocky,

I had a similar situation.  I read somewhere that opening the report hidden
first solves the problem

DoCmd.OpenReport " rptRentalAgreement ", acPreview, , , acHidden
DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)",
strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint


I also noticed in the second line above (copied from your code) you have a '
after False - this may cause a problem as well.

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2016 5:05 p.m.
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

Dear List(s):

 

I am running an accdb in A2010.  I want to convert a report to a pdf and
attach it to an email.  This works perfectly on my machine.  

 

At the client site it does not. I spent two hours there today trying
everything I could think of -  checking Microsoft update for patches fixes,
updates, etc., decompiling, compact and repair, lacing the code with
DoEvents, running as administrator - nothing worked.  I did track the
problematic line of code.  It is the line with 

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport

 

And Access Stopped Working on this line of code almost every time.  I say
almost because a couple of times it ran - generated both pdfs and popped up
the email with the two report pdfs attached!  Which is why I tried the
DoEvents.  But it barfed pretty consistently on that first DoCmd.OutputTo
acOutputReport,

 

Here's the code:

 

strFrontEndPath = db.Name

Do While Right(strFrontEndPath, 1) <> "\"

    strFrontEndPath = Left(strFrontEndPath, Len(strFrontEndPath) - 1)

Loop

strRAPDFName = strFrontEndPath & "RentalAgreement-" _

    & Me.cboNameAndAddress.Column(1) & "-" _

    & Me.fldRAHOrderNumber & ".pdf"

strRAPDFName = Replace(strRAPDFName, "*", "")

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)",
strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint

'Call ConvertReportToPDF("rptRentalAgreement", , strRAPDFName, , False)

 

strCCPPDFName = strFrontEndPath & "CreditCardPermission-" _

    & Me.cboNameAndAddress.Column(1) & "-" _

    & Me.fldRAHOrderNumber & ".pdf"

strCCPPDFName = Replace(strCCPPDFName, "*", "")

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptCreditCardPermissionForEmail",
"PDFFormat(*.pdf)", strCCPPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint

'Call ConvertReportToPDF("rptCreditCardPermissionForEmail", , strCCPPDFName,
, False)

 

 

You can see the previous legacy code which worked for a long time in A2003 -
the calls to ConvertToPDF - which I have commented out.  That doesn't work
anymore.  

 

So I'm really stumped.  Has anyone had this problem and found a solution?
Two martinis to the genius who can post an effective fix.

 

MTIA

 

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

 <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com

 <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com

Skype: rocky.smolin

 

 

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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Wed Nov  2 01:08:53 2016
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 19:08:53 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!
In-Reply-To: <001b01d234cb$328b2170$97a16450$@bchacc.com>
References: <02ae01d234be$3fd797d0$bf86c770$@bchacc.com>	<00c201d234c7$57eafd40$07c0f7c0$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<001b01d234cb$328b2170$97a16450$@bchacc.com>
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Yes - sorry should have included that.  Full code:

DoCmd.OpenReport " rptRentalAgreement ", acPreview, , , acHidden
DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)",
strRAPDFName, False , "", acExportQualityPrint
DoCmd.Close acReport, " rptRentalAgreement ", acSaveNo

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2016 6:37 p.m.
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

I'll try that tomorrow. Un-commenting the last two parameters of the
OutputTo didn't change the result.  Still barfed.  

I assume then after the output to you close the hidden report?

Thx

R

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
David Emerson
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 10:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'List'; 'Off Topic'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

Hi Rocky,

I had a similar situation.  I read somewhere that opening the report hidden
first solves the problem

DoCmd.OpenReport " rptRentalAgreement ", acPreview, , , acHidden
DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)",
strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint


I also noticed in the second line above (copied from your code) you have a '
after False - this may cause a problem as well.

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2016 5:05 p.m.
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

Dear List(s):

 

I am running an accdb in A2010.  I want to convert a report to a pdf and
attach it to an email.  This works perfectly on my machine.  

 

At the client site it does not. I spent two hours there today trying
everything I could think of -  checking Microsoft update for patches fixes,
updates, etc., decompiling, compact and repair, lacing the code with
DoEvents, running as administrator - nothing worked.  I did track the
problematic line of code.  It is the line with 

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport

 

And Access Stopped Working on this line of code almost every time.  I say
almost because a couple of times it ran - generated both pdfs and popped up
the email with the two report pdfs attached!  Which is why I tried the
DoEvents.  But it barfed pretty consistently on that first DoCmd.OutputTo
acOutputReport,

 

Here's the code:

 

strFrontEndPath = db.Name

Do While Right(strFrontEndPath, 1) <> "\"

    strFrontEndPath = Left(strFrontEndPath, Len(strFrontEndPath) - 1)

Loop

strRAPDFName = strFrontEndPath & "RentalAgreement-" _

    & Me.cboNameAndAddress.Column(1) & "-" _

    & Me.fldRAHOrderNumber & ".pdf"

strRAPDFName = Replace(strRAPDFName, "*", "")

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)",
strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint

'Call ConvertReportToPDF("rptRentalAgreement", , strRAPDFName, , False)

 

strCCPPDFName = strFrontEndPath & "CreditCardPermission-" _

    & Me.cboNameAndAddress.Column(1) & "-" _

    & Me.fldRAHOrderNumber & ".pdf"

strCCPPDFName = Replace(strCCPPDFName, "*", "")

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptCreditCardPermissionForEmail",
"PDFFormat(*.pdf)", strCCPPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint

'Call ConvertReportToPDF("rptCreditCardPermissionForEmail", , strCCPPDFName,
, False)

 

 

You can see the previous legacy code which worked for a long time in A2003 -
the calls to ConvertToPDF - which I have commented out.  That doesn't work
anymore.  

 

So I'm really stumped.  Has anyone had this problem and found a solution?
Two martinis to the genius who can post an effective fix.

 

MTIA

 

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

 <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com

 <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com

Skype: rocky.smolin

 

 

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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Wed Nov  2 01:32:33 2016
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 19:32:33 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!
In-Reply-To: <001b01d234cb$328b2170$97a16450$@bchacc.com>
References: <02ae01d234be$3fd797d0$bf86c770$@bchacc.com>	<00c201d234c7$57eafd40$07c0f7c0$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<001b01d234cb$328b2170$97a16450$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <00d701d234d2$e5514210$aff3c630$@dalyn.co.nz>

Yes - sorry should have included that.  Full code:

DoCmd.OpenReport " rptRentalAgreement ", acPreview, , , acHidden

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)",
strRAPDFName, False , "", acExportQualityPrint

DoCmd.Close acReport, " rptRentalAgreement ", acSaveNo

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2016 6:37 p.m.
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

I'll try that tomorrow. Un-commenting the last two parameters of the
OutputTo didn't change the result.  Still barfed.  

I assume then after the output to you close the hidden report?

Thx

R

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
David Emerson
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 10:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'List'; 'Off Topic'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

Hi Rocky,

I had a similar situation.  I read somewhere that opening the report hidden
first solves the problem

DoCmd.OpenReport " rptRentalAgreement ", acPreview, , , acHidden
DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)",
strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint


I also noticed in the second line above (copied from your code) you have a '
after False - this may cause a problem as well.

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2016 5:05 p.m.
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

Dear List(s):

 

I am running an accdb in A2010.  I want to convert a report to a pdf and
attach it to an email.  This works perfectly on my machine.  

 

At the client site it does not. I spent two hours there today trying
everything I could think of -  checking Microsoft update for patches fixes,
updates, etc., decompiling, compact and repair, lacing the code with
DoEvents, running as administrator - nothing worked.  I did track the
problematic line of code.  It is the line with 

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport

 

And Access Stopped Working on this line of code almost every time.  I say
almost because a couple of times it ran - generated both pdfs and popped up
the email with the two report pdfs attached!  Which is why I tried the
DoEvents.  But it barfed pretty consistently on that first DoCmd.OutputTo
acOutputReport,

 

Here's the code:

 

strFrontEndPath = db.Name

Do While Right(strFrontEndPath, 1) <> "\"

    strFrontEndPath = Left(strFrontEndPath, Len(strFrontEndPath) - 1)

Loop

strRAPDFName = strFrontEndPath & "RentalAgreement-" _

    & Me.cboNameAndAddress.Column(1) & "-" _

    & Me.fldRAHOrderNumber & ".pdf"

strRAPDFName = Replace(strRAPDFName, "*", "")

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)",
strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint

'Call ConvertReportToPDF("rptRentalAgreement", , strRAPDFName, , False)

 

strCCPPDFName = strFrontEndPath & "CreditCardPermission-" _

    & Me.cboNameAndAddress.Column(1) & "-" _

    & Me.fldRAHOrderNumber & ".pdf"

strCCPPDFName = Replace(strCCPPDFName, "*", "")

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptCreditCardPermissionForEmail",
"PDFFormat(*.pdf)", strCCPPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint

'Call ConvertReportToPDF("rptCreditCardPermissionForEmail", , strCCPPDFName,
, False)

 

 

You can see the previous legacy code which worked for a long time in A2003 -
the calls to ConvertToPDF - which I have commented out.  That doesn't work
anymore.  

 

So I'm really stumped.  Has anyone had this problem and found a solution?
Two martinis to the genius who can post an effective fix.

 

MTIA

 

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

 <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com

 <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com

Skype: rocky.smolin

 

 

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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Nov  2 05:11:29 2016
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2016 06:11:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!
In-Reply-To: <001b01d234cb$328b2170$97a16450$@bchacc.com>
References: <02ae01d234be$3fd797d0$bf86c770$@bchacc.com>
	<00c201d234c7$57eafd40$07c0f7c0$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<001b01d234cb$328b2170$97a16450$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <0EC588BC7FF945A39F80E00945BB1676@XPS>


 Would be good to get the fault from the event log and then see if it is the
same in each case.

  If it is, then your probably tripping over a bug.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 01:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

I'll try that tomorrow. Un-commenting the last two parameters of the
OutputTo didn't change the result.  Still barfed.  

I assume then after the output to you close the hidden report?

Thx

R

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
David Emerson
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 10:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'List'; 'Off Topic'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

Hi Rocky,

I had a similar situation.  I read somewhere that opening the report hidden
first solves the problem

DoCmd.OpenReport " rptRentalAgreement ", acPreview, , , acHidden
DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)",
strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint


I also noticed in the second line above (copied from your code) you have a '
after False - this may cause a problem as well.

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2016 5:05 p.m.
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

Dear List(s):

 

I am running an accdb in A2010.  I want to convert a report to a pdf and
attach it to an email.  This works perfectly on my machine.  

 

At the client site it does not. I spent two hours there today trying
everything I could think of -  checking Microsoft update for patches fixes,
updates, etc., decompiling, compact and repair, lacing the code with
DoEvents, running as administrator - nothing worked.  I did track the
problematic line of code.  It is the line with 

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport

 

And Access Stopped Working on this line of code almost every time.  I say
almost because a couple of times it ran - generated both pdfs and popped up
the email with the two report pdfs attached!  Which is why I tried the
DoEvents.  But it barfed pretty consistently on that first DoCmd.OutputTo
acOutputReport,

 

Here's the code:

 

strFrontEndPath = db.Name

Do While Right(strFrontEndPath, 1) <> "\"

    strFrontEndPath = Left(strFrontEndPath, Len(strFrontEndPath) - 1)

Loop

strRAPDFName = strFrontEndPath & "RentalAgreement-" _

    & Me.cboNameAndAddress.Column(1) & "-" _

    & Me.fldRAHOrderNumber & ".pdf"

strRAPDFName = Replace(strRAPDFName, "*", "")

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)",
strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint

'Call ConvertReportToPDF("rptRentalAgreement", , strRAPDFName, , False)

 

strCCPPDFName = strFrontEndPath & "CreditCardPermission-" _

    & Me.cboNameAndAddress.Column(1) & "-" _

    & Me.fldRAHOrderNumber & ".pdf"

strCCPPDFName = Replace(strCCPPDFName, "*", "")

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptCreditCardPermissionForEmail",
"PDFFormat(*.pdf)", strCCPPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint

'Call ConvertReportToPDF("rptCreditCardPermissionForEmail", , strCCPPDFName,
, False)

 

 

You can see the previous legacy code which worked for a long time in A2003 -
the calls to ConvertToPDF - which I have commented out.  That doesn't work
anymore.  

 

So I'm really stumped.  Has anyone had this problem and found a solution?
Two martinis to the genius who can post an effective fix.

 

MTIA

 

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

 <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com

 <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com

Skype: rocky.smolin

 

 

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Nov  2 07:42:23 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 05:42:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!
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" tripping over a bug" My bug or Access'?

How do I get to the event log?

Thx.

r

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From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 3:11 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!


 Would be good to get the fault from the event log and then see if it is the
same in each case.

  If it is, then your probably tripping over a bug.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 01:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

I'll try that tomorrow. Un-commenting the last two parameters of the
OutputTo didn't change the result.  Still barfed.  

I assume then after the output to you close the hidden report?

Thx

R

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
David Emerson
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 10:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'List'; 'Off Topic'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

Hi Rocky,

I had a similar situation.  I read somewhere that opening the report hidden
first solves the problem

DoCmd.OpenReport " rptRentalAgreement ", acPreview, , , acHidden
DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)",
strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint


I also noticed in the second line above (copied from your code) you have a '
after False - this may cause a problem as well.

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2016 5:05 p.m.
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

Dear List(s):

 

I am running an accdb in A2010.  I want to convert a report to a pdf and
attach it to an email.  This works perfectly on my machine.  

 

At the client site it does not. I spent two hours there today trying
everything I could think of -  checking Microsoft update for patches fixes,
updates, etc., decompiling, compact and repair, lacing the code with
DoEvents, running as administrator - nothing worked.  I did track the
problematic line of code.  It is the line with 

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport

 

And Access Stopped Working on this line of code almost every time.  I say
almost because a couple of times it ran - generated both pdfs and popped up
the email with the two report pdfs attached!  Which is why I tried the
DoEvents.  But it barfed pretty consistently on that first DoCmd.OutputTo
acOutputReport,

 

Here's the code:

 

strFrontEndPath = db.Name

Do While Right(strFrontEndPath, 1) <> "\"

    strFrontEndPath = Left(strFrontEndPath, Len(strFrontEndPath) - 1)

Loop

strRAPDFName = strFrontEndPath & "RentalAgreement-" _

    & Me.cboNameAndAddress.Column(1) & "-" _

    & Me.fldRAHOrderNumber & ".pdf"

strRAPDFName = Replace(strRAPDFName, "*", "")

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)",
strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint

'Call ConvertReportToPDF("rptRentalAgreement", , strRAPDFName, , False)

 

strCCPPDFName = strFrontEndPath & "CreditCardPermission-" _

    & Me.cboNameAndAddress.Column(1) & "-" _

    & Me.fldRAHOrderNumber & ".pdf"

strCCPPDFName = Replace(strCCPPDFName, "*", "")

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptCreditCardPermissionForEmail",
"PDFFormat(*.pdf)", strCCPPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint

'Call ConvertReportToPDF("rptCreditCardPermissionForEmail", , strCCPPDFName,
, False)

 

 

You can see the previous legacy code which worked for a long time in A2003 -
the calls to ConvertToPDF - which I have commented out.  That doesn't work
anymore.  

 

So I'm really stumped.  Has anyone had this problem and found a solution?
Two martinis to the genius who can post an effective fix.

 

MTIA

 

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

 <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com

 <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com

Skype: rocky.smolin

 

 

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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Nov  2 09:16:54 2016
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2016 10:16:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!
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 Access (or Office).

 On the machine where it's happening, Control Panel, Admin Tools, event log.

 Windows should be recording the fault each time it happens.  It will have a
module name and an address, and the type of fault that occurred.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 08:42 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

" tripping over a bug" My bug or Access'?

How do I get to the event log?

Thx.

r

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 3:11 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!


 Would be good to get the fault from the event log and then see if it is the
same in each case.

  If it is, then your probably tripping over a bug.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 01:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

I'll try that tomorrow. Un-commenting the last two parameters of the
OutputTo didn't change the result.  Still barfed.  

I assume then after the output to you close the hidden report?

Thx

R

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
David Emerson
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 10:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'List'; 'Off Topic'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

Hi Rocky,

I had a similar situation.  I read somewhere that opening the report hidden
first solves the problem

DoCmd.OpenReport " rptRentalAgreement ", acPreview, , , acHidden
DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)",
strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint


I also noticed in the second line above (copied from your code) you have a '
after False - this may cause a problem as well.

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2016 5:05 p.m.
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

Dear List(s):

 

I am running an accdb in A2010.  I want to convert a report to a pdf and
attach it to an email.  This works perfectly on my machine.  

 

At the client site it does not. I spent two hours there today trying
everything I could think of -  checking Microsoft update for patches fixes,
updates, etc., decompiling, compact and repair, lacing the code with
DoEvents, running as administrator - nothing worked.  I did track the
problematic line of code.  It is the line with 

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport

 

And Access Stopped Working on this line of code almost every time.  I say
almost because a couple of times it ran - generated both pdfs and popped up
the email with the two report pdfs attached!  Which is why I tried the
DoEvents.  But it barfed pretty consistently on that first DoCmd.OutputTo
acOutputReport,

 

Here's the code:

 

strFrontEndPath = db.Name

Do While Right(strFrontEndPath, 1) <> "\"

    strFrontEndPath = Left(strFrontEndPath, Len(strFrontEndPath) - 1)

Loop

strRAPDFName = strFrontEndPath & "RentalAgreement-" _

    & Me.cboNameAndAddress.Column(1) & "-" _

    & Me.fldRAHOrderNumber & ".pdf"

strRAPDFName = Replace(strRAPDFName, "*", "")

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)",
strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint

'Call ConvertReportToPDF("rptRentalAgreement", , strRAPDFName, , False)

 

strCCPPDFName = strFrontEndPath & "CreditCardPermission-" _

    & Me.cboNameAndAddress.Column(1) & "-" _

    & Me.fldRAHOrderNumber & ".pdf"

strCCPPDFName = Replace(strCCPPDFName, "*", "")

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptCreditCardPermissionForEmail",
"PDFFormat(*.pdf)", strCCPPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint

'Call ConvertReportToPDF("rptCreditCardPermissionForEmail", , strCCPPDFName,
, False)

 

 

You can see the previous legacy code which worked for a long time in A2003 -
the calls to ConvertToPDF - which I have commented out.  That doesn't work
anymore.  

 

So I'm really stumped.  Has anyone had this problem and found a solution?
Two martinis to the genius who can post an effective fix.

 

MTIA

 

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

 <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com

 <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com

Skype: rocky.smolin

 

 

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Nov  2 09:45:48 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 07:45:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!
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TY

When I see it, though, what will I learn?  Something that might help me work
around the problem?

R


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 7:17 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!


 Access (or Office).

 On the machine where it's happening, Control Panel, Admin Tools, event log.

 Windows should be recording the fault each time it happens.  It will have a
module name and an address, and the type of fault that occurred.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 08:42 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

" tripping over a bug" My bug or Access'?

How do I get to the event log?

Thx.

r

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 3:11 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!


 Would be good to get the fault from the event log and then see if it is the
same in each case.

  If it is, then your probably tripping over a bug.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 01:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

I'll try that tomorrow. Un-commenting the last two parameters of the
OutputTo didn't change the result.  Still barfed.  

I assume then after the output to you close the hidden report?

Thx

R

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
David Emerson
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 10:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'List'; 'Off Topic'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

Hi Rocky,

I had a similar situation.  I read somewhere that opening the report hidden
first solves the problem

DoCmd.OpenReport " rptRentalAgreement ", acPreview, , , acHidden
DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)",
strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint


I also noticed in the second line above (copied from your code) you have a '
after False - this may cause a problem as well.

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2016 5:05 p.m.
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

Dear List(s):

 

I am running an accdb in A2010.  I want to convert a report to a pdf and
attach it to an email.  This works perfectly on my machine.  

 

At the client site it does not. I spent two hours there today trying
everything I could think of -  checking Microsoft update for patches fixes,
updates, etc., decompiling, compact and repair, lacing the code with
DoEvents, running as administrator - nothing worked.  I did track the
problematic line of code.  It is the line with 

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport

 

And Access Stopped Working on this line of code almost every time.  I say
almost because a couple of times it ran - generated both pdfs and popped up
the email with the two report pdfs attached!  Which is why I tried the
DoEvents.  But it barfed pretty consistently on that first DoCmd.OutputTo
acOutputReport,

 

Here's the code:

 

strFrontEndPath = db.Name

Do While Right(strFrontEndPath, 1) <> "\"

    strFrontEndPath = Left(strFrontEndPath, Len(strFrontEndPath) - 1)

Loop

strRAPDFName = strFrontEndPath & "RentalAgreement-" _

    & Me.cboNameAndAddress.Column(1) & "-" _

    & Me.fldRAHOrderNumber & ".pdf"

strRAPDFName = Replace(strRAPDFName, "*", "")

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)",
strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint

'Call ConvertReportToPDF("rptRentalAgreement", , strRAPDFName, , False)

 

strCCPPDFName = strFrontEndPath & "CreditCardPermission-" _

    & Me.cboNameAndAddress.Column(1) & "-" _

    & Me.fldRAHOrderNumber & ".pdf"

strCCPPDFName = Replace(strCCPPDFName, "*", "")

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptCreditCardPermissionForEmail",
"PDFFormat(*.pdf)", strCCPPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint

'Call ConvertReportToPDF("rptCreditCardPermissionForEmail", , strCCPPDFName,
, False)

 

 

You can see the previous legacy code which worked for a long time in A2003 -
the calls to ConvertToPDF - which I have commented out.  That doesn't work
anymore.  

 

So I'm really stumped.  Has anyone had this problem and found a solution?
Two martinis to the genius who can post an effective fix.

 

MTIA

 

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

 <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com

 <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com

Skype: rocky.smolin

 

 

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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Nov  2 10:15:16 2016
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2016 11:15:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!
In-Reply-To: <007401d23517$cce90970$66bb1c50$@bchacc.com>
References: <02ae01d234be$3fd797d0$bf86c770$@bchacc.com>
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Rocky,

<<Something that might help me work
around the problem?>>

 Potentially yes, or at the very least input for Microsoft.

 If the module name, address, and fault type are consistent, then it's a
bug.   Where it occurs can lead to a potential work around.

 I had an Access 2000 app that would fault at what seemed like random places
in the app, but the faulting module was always MSO9.DLL, always at the same
address, and always the same fault (divide by 0).  While I could not
disassemble the DLL completely, I could tell that the address was in the
area of routines used to handle fonts.  So I looked at things in the app
that dealt with fonts.  Lucky for me it was a processing/utility style app,
so not much was being displayed and I didn't have to look far.

 What it turned out to be was a TT font that was getting scaled for my
message box in the app.  Since that was used at various points, it
potentially could fault anywhere and at any time (I was displaying a
"working on...." type of message), but the event log showed me it really was
from the same cause.  So I switched to a system font for the message box and
it hasn't faulted since.

 If it's random, then it's more likely a problem with the station (ie. bad
memory, driver, OS, etc).  Also look for other applications faulting as
well...that's also an indication that it might be something with the station
rather than an app.

Jim.

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Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 10:46 AM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

TY

When I see it, though, what will I learn?  Something that might help me work
around the problem?

R


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Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 7:17 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!


 Access (or Office).

 On the machine where it's happening, Control Panel, Admin Tools, event log.

 Windows should be recording the fault each time it happens.  It will have a
module name and an address, and the type of fault that occurred.

Jim. 

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From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 08:42 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

" tripping over a bug" My bug or Access'?

How do I get to the event log?

Thx.

r

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From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 3:11 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!


 Would be good to get the fault from the event log and then see if it is the
same in each case.

  If it is, then your probably tripping over a bug.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 01:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

I'll try that tomorrow. Un-commenting the last two parameters of the
OutputTo didn't change the result.  Still barfed.  

I assume then after the output to you close the hidden report?

Thx

R

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From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
David Emerson
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 10:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'List'; 'Off Topic'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

Hi Rocky,

I had a similar situation.  I read somewhere that opening the report hidden
first solves the problem

DoCmd.OpenReport " rptRentalAgreement ", acPreview, , , acHidden
DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)",
strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint


I also noticed in the second line above (copied from your code) you have a '
after False - this may cause a problem as well.

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2016 5:05 p.m.
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

Dear List(s):

 

I am running an accdb in A2010.  I want to convert a report to a pdf and
attach it to an email.  This works perfectly on my machine.  

 

At the client site it does not. I spent two hours there today trying
everything I could think of -  checking Microsoft update for patches fixes,
updates, etc., decompiling, compact and repair, lacing the code with
DoEvents, running as administrator - nothing worked.  I did track the
problematic line of code.  It is the line with 

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport

 

And Access Stopped Working on this line of code almost every time.  I say
almost because a couple of times it ran - generated both pdfs and popped up
the email with the two report pdfs attached!  Which is why I tried the
DoEvents.  But it barfed pretty consistently on that first DoCmd.OutputTo
acOutputReport,

 

Here's the code:

 

strFrontEndPath = db.Name

Do While Right(strFrontEndPath, 1) <> "\"

    strFrontEndPath = Left(strFrontEndPath, Len(strFrontEndPath) - 1)

Loop

strRAPDFName = strFrontEndPath & "RentalAgreement-" _

    & Me.cboNameAndAddress.Column(1) & "-" _

    & Me.fldRAHOrderNumber & ".pdf"

strRAPDFName = Replace(strRAPDFName, "*", "")

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)",
strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint

'Call ConvertReportToPDF("rptRentalAgreement", , strRAPDFName, , False)

 

strCCPPDFName = strFrontEndPath & "CreditCardPermission-" _

    & Me.cboNameAndAddress.Column(1) & "-" _

    & Me.fldRAHOrderNumber & ".pdf"

strCCPPDFName = Replace(strCCPPDFName, "*", "")

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptCreditCardPermissionForEmail",
"PDFFormat(*.pdf)", strCCPPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint

'Call ConvertReportToPDF("rptCreditCardPermissionForEmail", , strCCPPDFName,
, False)

 

 

You can see the previous legacy code which worked for a long time in A2003 -
the calls to ConvertToPDF - which I have commented out.  That doesn't work
anymore.  

 

So I'm really stumped.  Has anyone had this problem and found a solution?
Two martinis to the genius who can post an effective fix.

 

MTIA

 

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

 <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Nov  2 10:38:52 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 08:38:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!
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Worth lookin' at then.  Thanks

r

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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

Rocky,

<<Something that might help me work
around the problem?>>

 Potentially yes, or at the very least input for Microsoft.

 If the module name, address, and fault type are consistent, then it's a
bug.   Where it occurs can lead to a potential work around.

 I had an Access 2000 app that would fault at what seemed like random places
in the app, but the faulting module was always MSO9.DLL, always at the same
address, and always the same fault (divide by 0).  While I could not
disassemble the DLL completely, I could tell that the address was in the
area of routines used to handle fonts.  So I looked at things in the app
that dealt with fonts.  Lucky for me it was a processing/utility style app,
so not much was being displayed and I didn't have to look far.

 What it turned out to be was a TT font that was getting scaled for my
message box in the app.  Since that was used at various points, it
potentially could fault anywhere and at any time (I was displaying a
"working on...." type of message), but the event log showed me it really was
from the same cause.  So I switched to a system font for the message box and
it hasn't faulted since.

 If it's random, then it's more likely a problem with the station (ie. bad
memory, driver, OS, etc).  Also look for other applications faulting as
well...that's also an indication that it might be something with the station
rather than an app.

Jim.

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TY

When I see it, though, what will I learn?  Something that might help me work
around the problem?

R


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 Access (or Office).

 On the machine where it's happening, Control Panel, Admin Tools, event log.

 Windows should be recording the fault each time it happens.  It will have a
module name and an address, and the type of fault that occurred.

Jim. 

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" tripping over a bug" My bug or Access'?

How do I get to the event log?

Thx.

r

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 Would be good to get the fault from the event log and then see if it is the
same in each case.

  If it is, then your probably tripping over a bug.

Jim. 

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I'll try that tomorrow. Un-commenting the last two parameters of the
OutputTo didn't change the result.  Still barfed.  

I assume then after the output to you close the hidden report?

Thx

R

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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

Hi Rocky,

I had a similar situation.  I read somewhere that opening the report hidden
first solves the problem

DoCmd.OpenReport " rptRentalAgreement ", acPreview, , , acHidden
DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)",
strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint


I also noticed in the second line above (copied from your code) you have a '
after False - this may cause a problem as well.

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand



-----Original Message-----
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Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2016 5:05 p.m.
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

Dear List(s):

 

I am running an accdb in A2010.  I want to convert a report to a pdf and
attach it to an email.  This works perfectly on my machine.  

 

At the client site it does not. I spent two hours there today trying
everything I could think of -  checking Microsoft update for patches fixes,
updates, etc., decompiling, compact and repair, lacing the code with
DoEvents, running as administrator - nothing worked.  I did track the
problematic line of code.  It is the line with 

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport

 

And Access Stopped Working on this line of code almost every time.  I say
almost because a couple of times it ran - generated both pdfs and popped up
the email with the two report pdfs attached!  Which is why I tried the
DoEvents.  But it barfed pretty consistently on that first DoCmd.OutputTo
acOutputReport,

 

Here's the code:

 

strFrontEndPath = db.Name

Do While Right(strFrontEndPath, 1) <> "\"

    strFrontEndPath = Left(strFrontEndPath, Len(strFrontEndPath) - 1)

Loop

strRAPDFName = strFrontEndPath & "RentalAgreement-" _

    & Me.cboNameAndAddress.Column(1) & "-" _

    & Me.fldRAHOrderNumber & ".pdf"

strRAPDFName = Replace(strRAPDFName, "*", "")

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)",
strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint

'Call ConvertReportToPDF("rptRentalAgreement", , strRAPDFName, , False)

 

strCCPPDFName = strFrontEndPath & "CreditCardPermission-" _

    & Me.cboNameAndAddress.Column(1) & "-" _

    & Me.fldRAHOrderNumber & ".pdf"

strCCPPDFName = Replace(strCCPPDFName, "*", "")

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptCreditCardPermissionForEmail",
"PDFFormat(*.pdf)", strCCPPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint

'Call ConvertReportToPDF("rptCreditCardPermissionForEmail", , strCCPPDFName,
, False)

 

 

You can see the previous legacy code which worked for a long time in A2003 -
the calls to ConvertToPDF - which I have commented out.  That doesn't work
anymore.  

 

So I'm really stumped.  Has anyone had this problem and found a solution?
Two martinis to the genius who can post an effective fix.

 

MTIA

 

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

 <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com

 <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Nov  2 11:30:13 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 09:30:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!
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Jim:

I just got the error on my box - twice.  The event logs read:

Faulting application name: MSACCESS.EXE, version: 14.0.7162.5001, time
stamp: 0x5626f514
Faulting module name: MSVCR90.dll, version: 9.0.30729.9247, time stamp:
0x56fa38aa
Exception code: 0xc0000417
Fault offset: 0x000320f0
Faulting process id: 0x17c4
Faulting application start time: 0x01d23524285ce9fc
Faulting application path: C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft
Office\Office14\MSACCESS.EXE
Faulting module path:
C:\WINDOWS\WinSxS\x86_microsoft.vc90.crt_1fc8b3b9a1e18e3b_9.0.30729.9247_non
e_5090cb78bcba4a35\MSVCR90.dll
Report Id: 79870bfb-0c4b-481c-81b5-cd9a2b237a7d
Faulting package full name: 
Faulting package-relative application ID:

Faulting application name: MSACCESS.EXE, version: 14.0.7162.5001, time
stamp: 0x5626f514
Faulting module name: MSVCR90.dll, version: 9.0.30729.9247, time stamp:
0x56fa38aa
Exception code: 0xc0000417
Fault offset: 0x0006ccd5
Faulting process id: 0x2460
Faulting application start time: 0x01d23523545052cd
Faulting application path: C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft
Office\Office14\MSACCESS.EXE
Faulting module path:
C:\WINDOWS\WinSxS\x86_microsoft.vc90.crt_1fc8b3b9a1e18e3b_9.0.30729.9247_non
e_5090cb78bcba4a35\MSVCR90.dll
Report Id: 40c405d6-6a50-4fc2-97c9-8c5ade1dee85
Faulting package full name: 
Faulting package-relative application ID:

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Does that tell you anything?

TIA

Rocky


 Access (or Office).

 On the machine where it's happening, Control Panel, Admin Tools, event log.

 Windows should be recording the fault each time it happens.  It will have a
module name and an address, and the type of fault that occurred.

Jim. 

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From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 08:42 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

" tripping over a bug" My bug or Access'?

How do I get to the event log?

Thx.

r

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Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 3:11 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!


 Would be good to get the fault from the event log and then see if it is the
same in each case.

  If it is, then your probably tripping over a bug.

Jim. 

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Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 01:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

I'll try that tomorrow. Un-commenting the last two parameters of the
OutputTo didn't change the result.  Still barfed.  

I assume then after the output to you close the hidden report?

Thx

R

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Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 10:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'List'; 'Off Topic'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

Hi Rocky,

I had a similar situation.  I read somewhere that opening the report hidden
first solves the problem

DoCmd.OpenReport " rptRentalAgreement ", acPreview, , , acHidden
DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)",
strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint


I also noticed in the second line above (copied from your code) you have a '
after False - this may cause a problem as well.

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand



-----Original Message-----
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Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2016 5:05 p.m.
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

Dear List(s):

 

I am running an accdb in A2010.  I want to convert a report to a pdf and
attach it to an email.  This works perfectly on my machine.  

 

At the client site it does not. I spent two hours there today trying
everything I could think of -  checking Microsoft update for patches fixes,
updates, etc., decompiling, compact and repair, lacing the code with
DoEvents, running as administrator - nothing worked.  I did track the
problematic line of code.  It is the line with 

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport

 

And Access Stopped Working on this line of code almost every time.  I say
almost because a couple of times it ran - generated both pdfs and popped up
the email with the two report pdfs attached!  Which is why I tried the
DoEvents.  But it barfed pretty consistently on that first DoCmd.OutputTo
acOutputReport,

 

Here's the code:

 

strFrontEndPath = db.Name

Do While Right(strFrontEndPath, 1) <> "\"

    strFrontEndPath = Left(strFrontEndPath, Len(strFrontEndPath) - 1)

Loop

strRAPDFName = strFrontEndPath & "RentalAgreement-" _

    & Me.cboNameAndAddress.Column(1) & "-" _

    & Me.fldRAHOrderNumber & ".pdf"

strRAPDFName = Replace(strRAPDFName, "*", "")

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)",
strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint

'Call ConvertReportToPDF("rptRentalAgreement", , strRAPDFName, , False)

 

strCCPPDFName = strFrontEndPath & "CreditCardPermission-" _

    & Me.cboNameAndAddress.Column(1) & "-" _

    & Me.fldRAHOrderNumber & ".pdf"

strCCPPDFName = Replace(strCCPPDFName, "*", "")

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptCreditCardPermissionForEmail",
"PDFFormat(*.pdf)", strCCPPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint

'Call ConvertReportToPDF("rptCreditCardPermissionForEmail", , strCCPPDFName,
, False)

 

 

You can see the previous legacy code which worked for a long time in A2003 -
the calls to ConvertToPDF - which I have commented out.  That doesn't work
anymore.  

 

So I'm really stumped.  Has anyone had this problem and found a solution?
Two martinis to the genius who can post an effective fix.

 

MTIA

 

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

 <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com

 <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com

Skype: rocky.smolin

 

 

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From dbdoug at gmail.com  Wed Nov  2 11:39:05 2016
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 09:39:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!
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On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Jim:
>
> I just got the error on my box - twice.  The event logs read:
>

FWIW: 0xc0000417 = STATUS_INVALID_CRUNTIME_PARAMETER =
An invalid parameter was passed to a C runtime function.

This answer on StackOverflow may help (problem with having VS2008 runtime
installed on the user computer, not VS2010??)

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2993560/c-cli-missing-msvcr90-dll

From df.waters at outlook.com  Wed Nov  2 11:44:00 2016
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 16:44:00 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working! (Working Solution)
Message-ID: <BN3PR19MB0497C48447CDB7740C0F8DEFF6A00@BN3PR19MB0497.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Rocky,

This is indeed a bug which has been around for years.  This is how I handle it in my system.

'----------------------------

            '-- To resolve a 2046 bug in Access (see KB 244695) a software object must be opened before the 'OutputTo' method is called.

            '-- Open any read-only query (this opens a database window referred to in KB 244695)
            DoCmd.OpenQuery "qryGlobalErrors"

            '-- Output report from the file it's in
            If varObjectType = acReport Then

                DoEvents
                DoCmd.OpenReport stgObjectName, acViewPreview, , , acHidden

                DoEvents
                DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, stgObjectName, acFormatPDF, stgAccessObjectPath

                DoEvents
                DoCmd.Close acReport, stgObjectName, acSaveNo

            Else

                DoEvents
                DoCmd.OutputTo varObjectType, stgObjectName, varOutputFormat, stgAccessObjectPath

            End If

            '-- Close the read-only query
            DoCmd.Close acQuery, "qryGlobalErrors"

'----------------------------

Good Luck!
Dan

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Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 5:11 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!


 Would be good to get the fault from the event log and then see if it is the same in each case.

  If it is, then your probably tripping over a bug.

Jim. 

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From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 01:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

I'll try that tomorrow. Un-commenting the last two parameters of the OutputTo didn't change the result.  Still barfed.  

I assume then after the output to you close the hidden report?

Thx

R

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Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 10:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'List'; 'Off Topic'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

Hi Rocky,

I had a similar situation.  I read somewhere that opening the report hidden first solves the problem

DoCmd.OpenReport " rptRentalAgreement ", acPreview, , , acHidden DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)", strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint


I also noticed in the second line above (copied from your code) you have a '
after False - this may cause a problem as well.

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2016 5:05 p.m.
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

Dear List(s):

 

I am running an accdb in A2010.  I want to convert a report to a pdf and attach it to an email.  This works perfectly on my machine.  

 

At the client site it does not. I spent two hours there today trying everything I could think of -  checking Microsoft update for patches fixes, updates, etc., decompiling, compact and repair, lacing the code with DoEvents, running as administrator - nothing worked.  I did track the problematic line of code.  It is the line with 

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport

 

And Access Stopped Working on this line of code almost every time.  I say almost because a couple of times it ran - generated both pdfs and popped up the email with the two report pdfs attached!  Which is why I tried the DoEvents.  But it barfed pretty consistently on that first DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport,

 

Here's the code:

 

strFrontEndPath = db.Name

Do While Right(strFrontEndPath, 1) <> "\"

    strFrontEndPath = Left(strFrontEndPath, Len(strFrontEndPath) - 1)

Loop

strRAPDFName = strFrontEndPath & "RentalAgreement-" _

    & Me.cboNameAndAddress.Column(1) & "-" _

    & Me.fldRAHOrderNumber & ".pdf"

strRAPDFName = Replace(strRAPDFName, "*", "")

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)", strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint

'Call ConvertReportToPDF("rptRentalAgreement", , strRAPDFName, , False)

 

strCCPPDFName = strFrontEndPath & "CreditCardPermission-" _

    & Me.cboNameAndAddress.Column(1) & "-" _

    & Me.fldRAHOrderNumber & ".pdf"

strCCPPDFName = Replace(strCCPPDFName, "*", "")

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptCreditCardPermissionForEmail",
"PDFFormat(*.pdf)", strCCPPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint

'Call ConvertReportToPDF("rptCreditCardPermissionForEmail", , strCCPPDFName, , False)

 

 

You can see the previous legacy code which worked for a long time in A2003 - the calls to ConvertToPDF - which I have commented out.  That doesn't work anymore.  

 

So I'm really stumped.  Has anyone had this problem and found a solution?
Two martinis to the genius who can post an effective fix.

 

MTIA

 

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

 <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Nov  2 11:46:24 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 09:46:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!
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Doug:

I'm not running Visual Studio but I have 12 copies of msvcr90.dll on my
comp.

But the info on Stack Overflow is a little beyond my pay grade.  

Rocky


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Doug Steele
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 9:39 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Jim:
>
> I just got the error on my box - twice.  The event logs read:
>

FWIW: 0xc0000417 = STATUS_INVALID_CRUNTIME_PARAMETER = An invalid parameter
was passed to a C runtime function.

This answer on StackOverflow may help (problem with having VS2008 runtime
installed on the user computer, not VS2010??)

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2993560/c-cli-missing-msvcr90-dll
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Nov  2 13:49:28 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 11:49:28 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working! (Working Solution)
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Dan, Et Al:

Here's a clue, maybe.  That code didn't work - got the "Access has stopped
working" message.  BUT!

When I put a breakpoint into the code before the open query and single
stepped through it (F8), it worked!

So it would seem to be some kind of timing issue?

I did put the DoEvents in like you said:

DoCmd.OpenQuery "qryActiveUser"
DoEvents
DoCmd.OpenReport "rptRentalAgreement", acPreview, , , acHidden
DoEvents
DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", acFormatPDF,
strRAPDFName, False  ', "", acExportQualityPrint
DoEvents
'DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)",
strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint
DoCmd.Close acReport, "rptRentalAgreement", acSaveNo
DoCmd.Close acQuery, "qryActiveUser"

Any clue here?

TIA

Rocky


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Waters
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 9:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working! (Working Solution)

Hi Rocky,

This is indeed a bug which has been around for years.  This is how I handle
it in my system.

'----------------------------

            '-- To resolve a 2046 bug in Access (see KB 244695) a software
object must be opened before the 'OutputTo' method is called.

            '-- Open any read-only query (this opens a database window
referred to in KB 244695)
            DoCmd.OpenQuery "qryGlobalErrors"

            '-- Output report from the file it's in
            If varObjectType = acReport Then

                DoEvents
                DoCmd.OpenReport stgObjectName, acViewPreview, , , acHidden

                DoEvents
                DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, stgObjectName, acFormatPDF,
stgAccessObjectPath

                DoEvents
                DoCmd.Close acReport, stgObjectName, acSaveNo

            Else

                DoEvents
                DoCmd.OutputTo varObjectType, stgObjectName,
varOutputFormat, stgAccessObjectPath

            End If

            '-- Close the read-only query
            DoCmd.Close acQuery, "qryGlobalErrors"

'----------------------------

Good Luck!
Dan

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Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 5:11 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!


 Would be good to get the fault from the event log and then see if it is the
same in each case.

  If it is, then your probably tripping over a bug.

Jim. 

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Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 01:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

I'll try that tomorrow. Un-commenting the last two parameters of the
OutputTo didn't change the result.  Still barfed.  

I assume then after the output to you close the hidden report?

Thx

R

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Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 10:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'List'; 'Off Topic'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

Hi Rocky,

I had a similar situation.  I read somewhere that opening the report hidden
first solves the problem

DoCmd.OpenReport " rptRentalAgreement ", acPreview, , , acHidden
DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)",
strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint


I also noticed in the second line above (copied from your code) you have a '
after False - this may cause a problem as well.

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand



-----Original Message-----
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Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2016 5:05 p.m.
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

Dear List(s):

 

I am running an accdb in A2010.  I want to convert a report to a pdf and
attach it to an email.  This works perfectly on my machine.  

 

At the client site it does not. I spent two hours there today trying
everything I could think of -  checking Microsoft update for patches fixes,
updates, etc., decompiling, compact and repair, lacing the code with
DoEvents, running as administrator - nothing worked.  I did track the
problematic line of code.  It is the line with 

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport

 

And Access Stopped Working on this line of code almost every time.  I say
almost because a couple of times it ran - generated both pdfs and popped up
the email with the two report pdfs attached!  Which is why I tried the
DoEvents.  But it barfed pretty consistently on that first DoCmd.OutputTo
acOutputReport,

 

Here's the code:

 

strFrontEndPath = db.Name

Do While Right(strFrontEndPath, 1) <> "\"

    strFrontEndPath = Left(strFrontEndPath, Len(strFrontEndPath) - 1)

Loop

strRAPDFName = strFrontEndPath & "RentalAgreement-" _

    & Me.cboNameAndAddress.Column(1) & "-" _

    & Me.fldRAHOrderNumber & ".pdf"

strRAPDFName = Replace(strRAPDFName, "*", "")

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)",
strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint

'Call ConvertReportToPDF("rptRentalAgreement", , strRAPDFName, , False)

 

strCCPPDFName = strFrontEndPath & "CreditCardPermission-" _

    & Me.cboNameAndAddress.Column(1) & "-" _

    & Me.fldRAHOrderNumber & ".pdf"

strCCPPDFName = Replace(strCCPPDFName, "*", "")

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptCreditCardPermissionForEmail",
"PDFFormat(*.pdf)", strCCPPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint

'Call ConvertReportToPDF("rptCreditCardPermissionForEmail", , strCCPPDFName,
, False)

 

 

You can see the previous legacy code which worked for a long time in A2003 -
the calls to ConvertToPDF - which I have commented out.  That doesn't work
anymore.  

 

So I'm really stumped.  Has anyone had this problem and found a solution?
Two martinis to the genius who can post an effective fix.

 

MTIA

 

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

 <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com

 <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com

Skype: rocky.smolin

 

 

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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Nov  2 14:15:40 2016
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2016 15:15:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working! (Working Solution)
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Rocky,

<<So it would seem to be some kind of timing issue?>>

 Yes, but DoEvents in of itself just yields time to the OS.   If nothing
else needs doing, it will come right back.  Really what you want is
something more like this:

Public Function Wait(intSeconds As Integer) As Integer

    Dim datCurDateTime As Date
10  datCurDateTime = Now

20  Do Until DateDiff("s", datCurDateTime, Now) > intSeconds
30      DoEvents
40  Loop

End Function

 and Wait(1) before doing the command.

 You could even put Access totally to sleep instead of looping in this case,
but try the above first. 

 And of course it would be better to pin this down.   On a slower/faster
machine, you might see varying results.

Jim.

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From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 02:49 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working! (Working Solution)

Dan, Et Al:

Here's a clue, maybe.  That code didn't work - got the "Access has stopped
working" message.  BUT!

When I put a breakpoint into the code before the open query and single
stepped through it (F8), it worked!

So it would seem to be some kind of timing issue?

I did put the DoEvents in like you said:

DoCmd.OpenQuery "qryActiveUser"
DoEvents
DoCmd.OpenReport "rptRentalAgreement", acPreview, , , acHidden
DoEvents
DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", acFormatPDF,
strRAPDFName, False  ', "", acExportQualityPrint
DoEvents
'DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)",
strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint
DoCmd.Close acReport, "rptRentalAgreement", acSaveNo
DoCmd.Close acQuery, "qryActiveUser"

Any clue here?

TIA

Rocky


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From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Waters
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 9:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working! (Working Solution)

Hi Rocky,

This is indeed a bug which has been around for years.  This is how I handle
it in my system.

'----------------------------

            '-- To resolve a 2046 bug in Access (see KB 244695) a software
object must be opened before the 'OutputTo' method is called.

            '-- Open any read-only query (this opens a database window
referred to in KB 244695)
            DoCmd.OpenQuery "qryGlobalErrors"

            '-- Output report from the file it's in
            If varObjectType = acReport Then

                DoEvents
                DoCmd.OpenReport stgObjectName, acViewPreview, , , acHidden

                DoEvents
                DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, stgObjectName, acFormatPDF,
stgAccessObjectPath

                DoEvents
                DoCmd.Close acReport, stgObjectName, acSaveNo

            Else

                DoEvents
                DoCmd.OutputTo varObjectType, stgObjectName,
varOutputFormat, stgAccessObjectPath

            End If

            '-- Close the read-only query
            DoCmd.Close acQuery, "qryGlobalErrors"

'----------------------------

Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 5:11 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!


 Would be good to get the fault from the event log and then see if it is the
same in each case.

  If it is, then your probably tripping over a bug.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 01:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

I'll try that tomorrow. Un-commenting the last two parameters of the
OutputTo didn't change the result.  Still barfed.  

I assume then after the output to you close the hidden report?

Thx

R

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
David Emerson
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 10:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'List'; 'Off Topic'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

Hi Rocky,

I had a similar situation.  I read somewhere that opening the report hidden
first solves the problem

DoCmd.OpenReport " rptRentalAgreement ", acPreview, , , acHidden
DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)",
strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint


I also noticed in the second line above (copied from your code) you have a '
after False - this may cause a problem as well.

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2016 5:05 p.m.
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

Dear List(s):

 

I am running an accdb in A2010.  I want to convert a report to a pdf and
attach it to an email.  This works perfectly on my machine.  

 

At the client site it does not. I spent two hours there today trying
everything I could think of -  checking Microsoft update for patches fixes,
updates, etc., decompiling, compact and repair, lacing the code with
DoEvents, running as administrator - nothing worked.  I did track the
problematic line of code.  It is the line with 

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport

 

And Access Stopped Working on this line of code almost every time.  I say
almost because a couple of times it ran - generated both pdfs and popped up
the email with the two report pdfs attached!  Which is why I tried the
DoEvents.  But it barfed pretty consistently on that first DoCmd.OutputTo
acOutputReport,

 

Here's the code:

 

strFrontEndPath = db.Name

Do While Right(strFrontEndPath, 1) <> "\"

    strFrontEndPath = Left(strFrontEndPath, Len(strFrontEndPath) - 1)

Loop

strRAPDFName = strFrontEndPath & "RentalAgreement-" _

    & Me.cboNameAndAddress.Column(1) & "-" _

    & Me.fldRAHOrderNumber & ".pdf"

strRAPDFName = Replace(strRAPDFName, "*", "")

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)",
strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint

'Call ConvertReportToPDF("rptRentalAgreement", , strRAPDFName, , False)

 

strCCPPDFName = strFrontEndPath & "CreditCardPermission-" _

    & Me.cboNameAndAddress.Column(1) & "-" _

    & Me.fldRAHOrderNumber & ".pdf"

strCCPPDFName = Replace(strCCPPDFName, "*", "")

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptCreditCardPermissionForEmail",
"PDFFormat(*.pdf)", strCCPPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint

'Call ConvertReportToPDF("rptCreditCardPermissionForEmail", , strCCPPDFName,
, False)

 

 

You can see the previous legacy code which worked for a long time in A2003 -
the calls to ConvertToPDF - which I have commented out.  That doesn't work
anymore.  

 

So I'm really stumped.  Has anyone had this problem and found a solution?
Two martinis to the genius who can post an effective fix.

 

MTIA

 

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

 <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com

 <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com

Skype: rocky.smolin

 

 

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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Wed Nov  2 15:09:09 2016
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 20:09:09 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Windows on a Mac
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This has been my (limited) experience too.  Bootcamp is native (and free) but Parallels is more useful, flexible and powerful.   Make sure you give yourself enough disk space for both OS's when you set it up.

Please don't over weight this comment.  I haven't had much to do with Macs,  but the few times I have had to set this up for people Parallels has worked well.

Cheers
Darryl.

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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows on a Mac

I use both Parallels and VMWare Fusion.  They work well but Parallels would be my choice as it is faster to access files outside the VM. Fusion seems to lose the connection to the 'external' file system whenever it isn't being accessed, and takes a couple of seconds to get it back.

I used to use Bootcamp but I prefer a VM where I can switch back and forth between OSX and Windows.

Doug

On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 8:00 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> What's the current gold standard for running Windows on a Mac?
>
>
>
> MTIA
>
>
>
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 760-683-5777
>
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>
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From df.waters at outlook.com  Wed Nov  2 15:28:34 2016
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 20:28:34 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working! (Working Solution)
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Hi Rocky,

Hi Rocky,

I think Jim is correct.

First, save this as a Public Sub.
'---------------------
Public Sub Pause(Optional sngNumberOfSeconds As Single = 0.1)
    On Error GoTo EH

    '-- Purpose:  This will 'pause' running code so that Access can get other things done

    Dim sngPauseTime As Single
    Dim sngStart As Single

    If sngNumberOfSeconds = 0 Then Exit Sub

    sngPauseTime = sngNumberOfSeconds
    sngStart = Timer
    Do While Timer < sngStart + sngPauseTime
        DoEvents
    Loop

EH:
    Exit Sub

End Sub
'--------------------------

Next, replace the 2nd DoEvents with Call Pause.  I do this in my code but I didn't think you would need it.

By default, Pause will run a loop of DoEvents for 1/10 of a second.

Again, Good Luck!
Dan

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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working! (Working Solution)

Dan, Et Al:

Here's a clue, maybe.  That code didn't work - got the "Access has stopped working" message.  BUT!

When I put a breakpoint into the code before the open query and single stepped through it (F8), it worked!

So it would seem to be some kind of timing issue?

I did put the DoEvents in like you said:

DoCmd.OpenQuery "qryActiveUser"
DoEvents
DoCmd.OpenReport "rptRentalAgreement", acPreview, , , acHidden DoEvents DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", acFormatPDF, strRAPDFName, False  ', "", acExportQualityPrint DoEvents 'DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)", strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint DoCmd.Close acReport, "rptRentalAgreement", acSaveNo DoCmd.Close acQuery, "qryActiveUser"

Any clue here?

TIA

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 9:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working! (Working Solution)

Hi Rocky,

This is indeed a bug which has been around for years.  This is how I handle it in my system.

'----------------------------

            '-- To resolve a 2046 bug in Access (see KB 244695) a software object must be opened before the 'OutputTo' method is called.

            '-- Open any read-only query (this opens a database window referred to in KB 244695)
            DoCmd.OpenQuery "qryGlobalErrors"

            '-- Output report from the file it's in
            If varObjectType = acReport Then

                DoEvents
                DoCmd.OpenReport stgObjectName, acViewPreview, , , acHidden

                DoEvents
                DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, stgObjectName, acFormatPDF, stgAccessObjectPath

                DoEvents
                DoCmd.Close acReport, stgObjectName, acSaveNo

            Else

                DoEvents
                DoCmd.OutputTo varObjectType, stgObjectName, varOutputFormat, stgAccessObjectPath

            End If

            '-- Close the read-only query
            DoCmd.Close acQuery, "qryGlobalErrors"

'----------------------------

Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 5:11 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!


 Would be good to get the fault from the event log and then see if it is the same in each case.

  If it is, then your probably tripping over a bug.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 01:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

I'll try that tomorrow. Un-commenting the last two parameters of the OutputTo didn't change the result.  Still barfed.  

I assume then after the output to you close the hidden report?

Thx

R

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 10:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'List'; 'Off Topic'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

Hi Rocky,

I had a similar situation.  I read somewhere that opening the report hidden first solves the problem

DoCmd.OpenReport " rptRentalAgreement ", acPreview, , , acHidden DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)", strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint


I also noticed in the second line above (copied from your code) you have a '
after False - this may cause a problem as well.

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2016 5:05 p.m.
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

Dear List(s):

 

I am running an accdb in A2010.  I want to convert a report to a pdf and attach it to an email.  This works perfectly on my machine.  

 

At the client site it does not. I spent two hours there today trying everything I could think of -  checking Microsoft update for patches fixes, updates, etc., decompiling, compact and repair, lacing the code with DoEvents, running as administrator - nothing worked.  I did track the problematic line of code.  It is the line with 

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport

 

And Access Stopped Working on this line of code almost every time.  I say almost because a couple of times it ran - generated both pdfs and popped up the email with the two report pdfs attached!  Which is why I tried the DoEvents.  But it barfed pretty consistently on that first DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport,

 

Here's the code:

 

strFrontEndPath = db.Name

Do While Right(strFrontEndPath, 1) <> "\"

    strFrontEndPath = Left(strFrontEndPath, Len(strFrontEndPath) - 1)

Loop

strRAPDFName = strFrontEndPath & "RentalAgreement-" _

    & Me.cboNameAndAddress.Column(1) & "-" _

    & Me.fldRAHOrderNumber & ".pdf"

strRAPDFName = Replace(strRAPDFName, "*", "")

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)", strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint

'Call ConvertReportToPDF("rptRentalAgreement", , strRAPDFName, , False)

 

strCCPPDFName = strFrontEndPath & "CreditCardPermission-" _

    & Me.cboNameAndAddress.Column(1) & "-" _

    & Me.fldRAHOrderNumber & ".pdf"

strCCPPDFName = Replace(strCCPPDFName, "*", "")

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptCreditCardPermissionForEmail",
"PDFFormat(*.pdf)", strCCPPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint

'Call ConvertReportToPDF("rptCreditCardPermissionForEmail", , strCCPPDFName, , False)

 

 

You can see the previous legacy code which worked for a long time in A2003 - the calls to ConvertToPDF - which I have commented out.  That doesn't work anymore.  

 

So I'm really stumped.  Has anyone had this problem and found a solution?
Two martinis to the genius who can post an effective fix.

 

MTIA

 

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

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Skype: rocky.smolin

 

 

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From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Nov  3 10:11:21 2016
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2016 11:11:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working! (Working Solution)
In-Reply-To: <BN3PR19MB0497128049A5DF618A852579F6A00@BN3PR19MB0497.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN3PR19MB0497C48447CDB7740C0F8DEFF6A00@BN3PR19MB0497.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
	<00dc01d23539$d6fdf020$84f9d060$@bchacc.com>
	<BN3PR19MB0497128049A5DF618A852579F6A00@BN3PR19MB0497.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <020101d235e4$89d551c0$9d7ff540$@net>

Does the Sleep API function provide the same functionality as the DoEvents
loop ?

Or should they be used together ?

DoEvents
Sleep 500 ' Wait 1/2 second




From BWalsh at healthinsight.org  Thu Nov  3 10:25:32 2016
From: BWalsh at healthinsight.org (Bob Walsh)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 15:25:32 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working! (Working Solution)
In-Reply-To: <020101d235e4$89d551c0$9d7ff540$@net>
References: <BN3PR19MB0497C48447CDB7740C0F8DEFF6A00@BN3PR19MB0497.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
	<00dc01d23539$d6fdf020$84f9d060$@bchacc.com>
	<BN3PR19MB0497128049A5DF618A852579F6A00@BN3PR19MB0497.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
	<020101d235e4$89d551c0$9d7ff540$@net>
Message-ID: <68D062755DECC8469BEF3FB828D8294D1F6B34@LVHIMAIL01.healthinsight.local>

The DoEvents function returns an Integer representing the number of open forms in stand-alone versions of Visual Basic, such as Visual Basic, Professional Edition. DoEvents returns zero in all other applications.

DoEvents passes control to the operating system. Control is returned after the operating system has finished processing the events in its queue and all keys in the SendKeys queue have been sent.

DoEvents is most useful for simple things like allowing a user to cancel a process after it has started, for example a search for a file. For long-running processes, yielding the processor is better accomplished by using a Timer or delegating the task to an ActiveX EXE component. In the latter case, the task can continue completely independent of your application, and the operating system takes care of multitasking and time slicing.

Any time you temporarily yield the processor within an event procedure, make sure the procedure is not executed again from a different part of your code before the first call returns; this could cause unpredictable results. In addition, do not use DoEvents if other applications could possibly interact with your procedure in unforeseen ways during the time you have yielded control.

Bob Walsh
Senior Database Analyst
(503) 382-3993


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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working! (Working Solution)

Does the Sleep API function provide the same functionality as the DoEvents loop ?

Or should they be used together ?

DoEvents
Sleep 500 ' Wait 1/2 second



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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Nov  3 11:22:45 2016
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2016 12:22:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working! (Working Solution)
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References: <BN3PR19MB0497C48447CDB7740C0F8DEFF6A00@BN3PR19MB0497.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
	<00dc01d23539$d6fdf020$84f9d060$@bchacc.com>
	<BN3PR19MB0497128049A5DF618A852579F6A00@BN3PR19MB0497.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
	<020101d235e4$89d551c0$9d7ff540$@net>
Message-ID: <DCE8289A1AD6492C810E93029E490EFF@XPS>


Yes and no.

DoEvent yields the processing time to the OS, but your code remains active.

Sleep on the other hand tells the OS to put the process on to sleep for that
amount of time, and nothing executes.   When the sleep is over, you'll be on
the next line of code.

No need to be used together; when you sleep, everything else gets time.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
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Mark Simms
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 11:11 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working! (Working Solution)

Does the Sleep API function provide the same functionality as the DoEvents
loop ?

Or should they be used together ?

DoEvents
Sleep 500 ' Wait 1/2 second



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From df.waters at outlook.com  Thu Nov  3 11:25:27 2016
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 16:25:27 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working! (Working Solution)
In-Reply-To: <DCE8289A1AD6492C810E93029E490EFF@XPS>
References: <BN3PR19MB0497C48447CDB7740C0F8DEFF6A00@BN3PR19MB0497.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
	<00dc01d23539$d6fdf020$84f9d060$@bchacc.com>
	<BN3PR19MB0497128049A5DF618A852579F6A00@BN3PR19MB0497.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
	<020101d235e4$89d551c0$9d7ff540$@net>
	<DCE8289A1AD6492C810E93029E490EFF@XPS>
Message-ID: <BN3PR19MB0497CA6A6C93FCCB394E5787F6A30@BN3PR19MB0497.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

Does Access dream of Cross-Tab Queries?

I probably have ... :-)

Dan

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From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 11:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working! (Working Solution)


Yes and no.

DoEvent yields the processing time to the OS, but your code remains active.

Sleep on the other hand tells the OS to put the process on to sleep for that
amount of time, and nothing executes.   When the sleep is over, you'll be on
the next line of code.

No need to be used together; when you sleep, everything else gets time.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 11:11 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working! (Working Solution)

Does the Sleep API function provide the same functionality as the DoEvents loop ?

Or should they be used together ?

DoEvents
Sleep 500 ' Wait 1/2 second



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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Nov  3 17:12:23 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2016 08:12:23 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working! (Working Solution)
In-Reply-To: <DCE8289A1AD6492C810E93029E490EFF@XPS>
References: <BN3PR19MB0497C48447CDB7740C0F8DEFF6A00@BN3PR19MB0497.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>,
	<020101d235e4$89d551c0$9d7ff540$@net>,
	<DCE8289A1AD6492C810E93029E490EFF@XPS>
Message-ID: <581BB647.22309.49A11A4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

One is a sbuseet of the other.

When you use DoEvents, everything else currently queued gets done, then Sleep 0 is called.

When you use Sleep 0 there is no guarantee that all VBA events in the queue will be 
completed,


Good article here on the overhead of DoEvents:

http://www.fmsinc.com/microsoftaccess/modules/examples/avoiddoevents.asp

But for advantages of using it, see here:

http://analystcave.com/vba-sleep-vs-wait/



On 3 Nov 2016 at 12:22, Jim Dettman wrote:

> 
> Yes and no.
> 
> DoEvent yields the processing time to the OS, but your code remains
> active.
> 
> Sleep on the other hand tells the OS to put the process on to sleep
> for that amount of time, and nothing executes.   When the sleep is
> over, you'll be on the next line of code.
> 
> No need to be used together; when you sleep, everything else gets
> time.
> 
> Jim.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Mark Simms Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 11:11 AM To: 'Access
> Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD]
> Access Has Stopped Working! (Working Solution)
> 
> Does the Sleep API function provide the same functionality as the
> DoEvents loop ?
> 
> Or should they be used together ?
> 
> DoEvents
> Sleep 500 ' Wait 1/2 second
> 
> 
> 
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From bradm at blackforestltd.com  Fri Nov  4 08:41:32 2016
From: bradm at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 13:41:32 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] I must have angered the Printer gods
Message-ID: <MWHPR05MB3246D3122298F914F88B1E46CFA20@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

All,

Yesterday, our accountant asked for a minor change to report (Access 2007).

I made the requested change and ran some tests by printing the report.  I used a printer that is in our Sales department.

This morning, when our accountant printed the report, it was printed on the Sales department printer instead of the Accounting department printer.  

He then called me and together, we opened the report and then printed it by selecting the Accounting department printer.  Again, it printed on the Sales department printer in spite of the fact that we had explicitly selected the Accounting department printer.  I could not believe this and tried it two more times and sure enough, the report continued to print on the wrong printer.

I then tried the exact same steps on my PC and things worked properly.

I have never seen this happen before.

The strange thing is that this problem did not occur until after I have made some minor cosmetic changes to the report.  None of the changes that I made, had anything to do with the printer, other than the fact that I used a different printer for one of my tests.

Any ideas on why this problem has surfaced?

Is there a way to "force" an Access report to a specific printer (with no user intervention)?  

Thanks,
Brad


From jbodin at sbor.com  Fri Nov  4 08:54:29 2016
From: jbodin at sbor.com (John Bodin)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 13:54:29 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] I must have angered the Printer gods
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR05MB3246D3122298F914F88B1E46CFA20@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR05MB3246D3122298F914F88B1E46CFA20@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CY1PR0401MB10201B3BC00FF333DD0D1411BDA20@CY1PR0401MB1020.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

If you edit the report and go into the page layout properties, is the Sales Dept printer the default printer instead of the generic Default Printer option?  I've had report changes and testing to Adobe PDF only to find out once I saved it, it made my Adobe the default printer and users kept getting errors when printing.  May not be your issue, but along the same lines.  -hth






John Bodin

sBOR Office Systems

jbodin at sbor.com<mailto:jbodin at sbor.com>




________________________________
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of Brad Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com>
Sent: Friday, November 4, 2016 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] I must have angered the Printer gods

All,

Yesterday, our accountant asked for a minor change to report (Access 2007).

I made the requested change and ran some tests by printing the report.  I used a printer that is in our Sales department.

This morning, when our accountant printed the report, it was printed on the Sales department printer instead of the Accounting department printer.

He then called me and together, we opened the report and then printed it by selecting the Accounting department printer.  Again, it printed on the Sales department printer in spite of the fact that we had explicitly selected the Accounting department printer.  I could not believe this and tried it two more times and sure enough, the report continued to print on the wrong printer.

I then tried the exact same steps on my PC and things worked properly.

I have never seen this happen before.

The strange thing is that this problem did not occur until after I have made some minor cosmetic changes to the report.  None of the changes that I made, had anything to do with the printer, other than the fact that I used a different printer for one of my tests.

Any ideas on why this problem has surfaced?

Is there a way to "force" an Access report to a specific printer (with no user intervention)?

Thanks,
Brad

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From bradm at blackforestltd.com  Fri Nov  4 10:18:06 2016
From: bradm at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 15:18:06 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] I must have angered the Printer gods
In-Reply-To: <CY1PR0401MB10201B3BC00FF333DD0D1411BDA20@CY1PR0401MB1020.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR05MB3246D3122298F914F88B1E46CFA20@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
	<CY1PR0401MB10201B3BC00FF333DD0D1411BDA20@CY1PR0401MB1020.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <MWHPR05MB3246BEDF17450DD6179377CACFA20@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

John,

Thank You, Thank You, Thank You.

You were right on target.  I was not familiar with this setting.  I am not sure how it got changed, but it is now fixed.

WOW!!! - The Printer Mystery solved and the Cubbies won the World Series  - Outstanding Week!

Brad 
 

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 8:54 AM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] I must have angered the Printer gods

If you edit the report and go into the page layout properties, is the Sales Dept printer the default printer instead of the generic Default Printer option?  I've had report changes and testing to Adobe PDF only to find out once I saved it, it made my Adobe the default printer and users kept getting errors when printing.  May not be your issue, but along the same lines.  -hth






John Bodin

sBOR Office Systems

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________________________________
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of Brad Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com>
Sent: Friday, November 4, 2016 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] I must have angered the Printer gods

All,

Yesterday, our accountant asked for a minor change to report (Access 2007).

I made the requested change and ran some tests by printing the report.  I used a printer that is in our Sales department.

This morning, when our accountant printed the report, it was printed on the Sales department printer instead of the Accounting department printer.

He then called me and together, we opened the report and then printed it by selecting the Accounting department printer.  Again, it printed on the Sales department printer in spite of the fact that we had explicitly selected the Accounting department printer.  I could not believe this and tried it two more times and sure enough, the report continued to print on the wrong printer.

I then tried the exact same steps on my PC and things worked properly.

I have never seen this happen before.

The strange thing is that this problem did not occur until after I have made some minor cosmetic changes to the report.  None of the changes that I made, had anything to do with the printer, other than the fact that I used a different printer for one of my tests.

Any ideas on why this problem has surfaced?

Is there a way to "force" an Access report to a specific printer (with no user intervention)?

Thanks,
Brad

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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Nov  4 13:01:59 2016
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 11:01:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] I must have angered the Printer gods
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR05MB3246BEDF17450DD6179377CACFA20@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR05MB3246D3122298F914F88B1E46CFA20@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
	<CY1PR0401MB10201B3BC00FF333DD0D1411BDA20@CY1PR0401MB1020.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<MWHPR05MB3246BEDF17450DD6179377CACFA20@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
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When you make a design change to a report and print it then save it, the
printer you use becomes the default printer for that report.  It's been
that way a loooooong time.

Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 8:18 AM, Brad Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com> wrote:

> John,
>
> Thank You, Thank You, Thank You.
>
> You were right on target.  I was not familiar with this setting.  I am not
> sure how it got changed, but it is now fixed.
>
> WOW!!! - The Printer Mystery solved and the Cubbies won the World Series
> - Outstanding Week!
>
> Brad
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> John Bodin
> Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 8:54 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I must have angered the Printer gods
>
> If you edit the report and go into the page layout properties, is the
> Sales Dept printer the default printer instead of the generic Default
> Printer option?  I've had report changes and testing to Adobe PDF only to
> find out once I saved it, it made my Adobe the default printer and users
> kept getting errors when printing.  May not be your issue, but along the
> same lines.  -hth
>
>
>
>
>
>
> John Bodin
>
> sBOR Office Systems
>
> jbodin at sbor.com<mailto:jbodin at sbor.com>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of Brad
> Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 4, 2016 9:41 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] I must have angered the Printer gods
>
> All,
>
> Yesterday, our accountant asked for a minor change to report (Access 2007).
>
> I made the requested change and ran some tests by printing the report.  I
> used a printer that is in our Sales department.
>
> This morning, when our accountant printed the report, it was printed on
> the Sales department printer instead of the Accounting department printer.
>
> He then called me and together, we opened the report and then printed it
> by selecting the Accounting department printer.  Again, it printed on the
> Sales department printer in spite of the fact that we had explicitly
> selected the Accounting department printer.  I could not believe this and
> tried it two more times and sure enough, the report continued to print on
> the wrong printer.
>
> I then tried the exact same steps on my PC and things worked properly.
>
> I have never seen this happen before.
>
> The strange thing is that this problem did not occur until after I have
> made some minor cosmetic changes to the report.  None of the changes that I
> made, had anything to do with the printer, other than the fact that I used
> a different printer for one of my tests.
>
> Any ideas on why this problem has surfaced?
>
> Is there a way to "force" an Access report to a specific printer (with no
> user intervention)?
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Fri Nov  4 16:32:29 2016
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 10:32:29 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Access and Sharepoint
Message-ID: <000601d236e2$f2327eb0$d6977c10$@dalyn.co.nz>

Hi Team,

 

I have a potential client that is talking about using Sharepoint with an
Access FE.  I have not read much detail about this but what I have read
indicates that unless he database is very basic then the Access/Sharepoint
combination falls short.

 

The client doesn't need internet access to the database - it could be run on
their internal network.  I haven't yet been given a description of their
requirements so not sure how complicated the project may be in regards to
table structure and data size.

 

Any thoughts or helpful links?

 

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand

 

 


From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri Nov  4 16:54:53 2016
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 21:54:53 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Access and Sharepoint
In-Reply-To: <000601d236e2$f2327eb0$d6977c10$@dalyn.co.nz>
References: <000601d236e2$f2327eb0$d6977c10$@dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA082FFC6@EX2K10-MBX6.ads.qub.ac.uk>

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/wiki/contents/articles/12514.sharepoint-2013-access-services.aspx

Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: David Emerson<mailto:newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz>
Sent: ?04/?11/?2016 21:36
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Access and Sharepoint

Hi Team,



I have a potential client that is talking about using Sharepoint with an
Access FE.  I have not read much detail about this but what I have read
indicates that unless he database is very basic then the Access/Sharepoint
combination falls short.



The client doesn't need internet access to the database - it could be run on
their internal network.  I haven't yet been given a description of their
requirements so not sure how complicated the project may be in regards to
table structure and data size.



Any thoughts or helpful links?



Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand





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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Fri Nov  4 17:46:47 2016
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 11:46:47 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Access and Sharepoint
In-Reply-To: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA082FFC6@EX2K10-MBX6.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <000601d236e2$f2327eb0$d6977c10$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA082FFC6@EX2K10-MBX6.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <001001d236ed$5325c920$f9715b60$@dalyn.co.nz>

Thanks Martin but that tells me about how to use Access and Sharepoint.  I
am looking for information on why or why not I should use it at all.
Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Martin Reid
Sent: Saturday, 5 November 2016 10:55 a.m.
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access and Sharepoint

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/wiki/contents/articles/12514.sharepoint-
2013-access-services.aspx

Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: David Emerson<mailto:newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz>
Sent: ?04/?11/?2016 21:36
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem
solving'<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Access and Sharepoint

Hi Team,



I have a potential client that is talking about using Sharepoint with an
Access FE.  I have not read much detail about this but what I have read
indicates that unless he database is very basic then the Access/Sharepoint
combination falls short.



The client doesn't need internet access to the database - it could be run on
their internal network.  I haven't yet been given a description of their
requirements so not sure how complicated the project may be in regards to
table structure and data size.



Any thoughts or helpful links?



Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand





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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Sat Nov  5 02:14:10 2016
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 07:14:10 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Access and Sharepoint
In-Reply-To: <001001d236ed$5325c920$f9715b60$@dalyn.co.nz>
References: <000601d236e2$f2327eb0$d6977c10$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA082FFC6@EX2K10-MBX6.ads.qub.ac.uk>,
	<001001d236ed$5325c920$f9715b60$@dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA08301E2@EX2K10-MBX6.ads.qub.ac.uk>

David

Good discussion here
https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/office/en-US/a448c161-ed28-41a6-9c0d-526329412b7f/access-web-database-limitations?forum=sharepointgeneralprevious



Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: David Emerson<mailto:newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz>
Sent: ?04/?11/?2016 22:51
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access and Sharepoint

Thanks Martin but that tells me about how to use Access and Sharepoint.  I
am looking for information on why or why not I should use it at all.
Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Martin Reid
Sent: Saturday, 5 November 2016 10:55 a.m.
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access and Sharepoint

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/wiki/contents/articles/12514.sharepoint-
2013-access-services.aspx

Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: David Emerson<mailto:newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz>
Sent: ?04/?11/?2016 21:36
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem
solving'<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Access and Sharepoint

Hi Team,



I have a potential client that is talking about using Sharepoint with an
Access FE.  I have not read much detail about this but what I have read
indicates that unless he database is very basic then the Access/Sharepoint
combination falls short.



The client doesn't need internet access to the database - it could be run on
their internal network.  I haven't yet been given a description of their
requirements so not sure how complicated the project may be in regards to
table structure and data size.



Any thoughts or helpful links?



Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand





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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Sat Nov  5 03:11:12 2016
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 21:11:12 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Access and Sharepoint
In-Reply-To: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA08301E2@EX2K10-MBX6.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <000601d236e2$f2327eb0$d6977c10$@dalyn.co.nz>	<976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA082FFC6@EX2K10-MBX6.ads.qub.ac.uk>,
	<001001d236ed$5325c920$f9715b60$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA08301E2@EX2K10-MBX6.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <000001d2373c$2c87d2f0$859778d0$@dalyn.co.nz>

Thanks Martin,

Your link lead me to the following link which is for later versions of
Sharepoint and Access:

https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Should-I-create-an-Access-app-or-an
-Access-desktop-database-497fd86b-e982-43c4-8318-81e6d3e711e8

If anyone has any other points not mentioned feel free to chip in :)

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Martin Reid
Sent: Saturday, 5 November 2016 8:14 p.m.
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access and Sharepoint

David

Good discussion here
https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/office/en-US/a448c161-ed28-41a6-
9c0d-526329412b7f/access-web-database-limitations?forum=sharepointgeneralpre
vious


Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: David Emerson<mailto:newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz>
Sent: ?04/?11/?2016 22:51
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem
solving'<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access and Sharepoint

Thanks Martin but that tells me about how to use Access and Sharepoint.  I
am looking for information on why or why not I should use it at all.

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Martin Reid
Sent: Saturday, 5 November 2016 10:55 a.m.
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access and Sharepoint

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/wiki/contents/articles/12514.sharepoint-
2013-access-services.aspx

Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: David Emerson<mailto:newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz>
Sent: ?04/?11/?2016 21:36
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem
solving'<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Access and Sharepoint

Hi Team,

I have a potential client that is talking about using Sharepoint with an
Access FE.  I have not read much detail about this but what I have read
indicates that unless he database is very basic then the Access/Sharepoint
combination falls short.

The client doesn't need internet access to the database - it could be run on
their internal network.  I haven't yet been given a description of their
requirements so not sure how complicated the project may be in regards to
table structure and data size.

Any thoughts or helpful links?

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand





From jimdettman at verizon.net  Sat Nov  5 06:16:47 2016
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2016 07:16:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access and Sharepoint
In-Reply-To: <000601d236e2$f2327eb0$d6977c10$@dalyn.co.nz>
References: <000601d236e2$f2327eb0$d6977c10$@dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <FA39BFDE38EC4C0E8E30F52C6DF9B54C@XPS>

<<I have not read much detail about this but what I have read
indicates that unless he database is very basic then the Access/Sharepoint
combination falls short.
>>

 There are two approaches here in regards to SharePoint:

1. Desktop DB storing data in SharePoint

2. A Web database or web app.

For #1,  data is stored in SharePoint lists, which after 5,000 records
perform quite poorly.   SharePoint is not a relational DBMS.   You'd be far
better off with a SQL server BE.   I'm not sure why anyone would even
consider using this approach.

For #2, with Access 2007/2010 data is in SharePoint.   So besides data
performance problems, you also have a FE that is not all that flexible.
Good for basic CRUD operations and that's about it.

 With Access 2013/2016 - Data for Web Apps is stored in a SQL Server
BE....much better.   SharePoint is still involved as it hosts the FE, but
your still stuck with a limited FE.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
David Emerson
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 05:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access and Sharepoint

Hi Team,

 

I have a potential client that is talking about using Sharepoint with an
Access FE.  I have not read much detail about this but what I have read
indicates that unless he database is very basic then the Access/Sharepoint
combination falls short.

 

The client doesn't need internet access to the database - it could be run on
their internal network.  I haven't yet been given a description of their
requirements so not sure how complicated the project may be in regards to
table structure and data size.

 

Any thoughts or helpful links?

 

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand

 

 

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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Sat Nov  5 07:06:39 2016
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 12:06:39 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Access and Sharepoint
In-Reply-To: <FA39BFDE38EC4C0E8E30F52C6DF9B54C@XPS>
References: <000601d236e2$f2327eb0$d6977c10$@dalyn.co.nz>,
	<FA39BFDE38EC4C0E8E30F52C6DF9B54C@XPS>
Message-ID: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0830375@EX2K10-MBX6.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Actually all SharePoint data Is stored in sql server. You just cant use it like a RDMS

Martin

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________________________________
From: Jim Dettman<mailto:jimdettman at verizon.net>
Sent: ?05/?11/?2016 11:17
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access and Sharepoint

<<I have not read much detail about this but what I have read
indicates that unless he database is very basic then the Access/Sharepoint
combination falls short.
>>

 There are two approaches here in regards to SharePoint:

1. Desktop DB storing data in SharePoint

2. A Web database or web app.

For #1,  data is stored in SharePoint lists, which after 5,000 records
perform quite poorly.   SharePoint is not a relational DBMS.   You'd be far
better off with a SQL server BE.   I'm not sure why anyone would even
consider using this approach.

For #2, with Access 2007/2010 data is in SharePoint.   So besides data
performance problems, you also have a FE that is not all that flexible.
Good for basic CRUD operations and that's about it.

 With Access 2013/2016 - Data for Web Apps is stored in a SQL Server
BE....much better.   SharePoint is still involved as it hosts the FE, but
your still stuck with a limited FE.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
David Emerson
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 05:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access and Sharepoint

Hi Team,



I have a potential client that is talking about using Sharepoint with an
Access FE.  I have not read much detail about this but what I have read
indicates that unless he database is very basic then the Access/Sharepoint
combination falls short.



The client doesn't need internet access to the database - it could be run on
their internal network.  I haven't yet been given a description of their
requirements so not sure how complicated the project may be in regards to
table structure and data size.



Any thoughts or helpful links?



Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand





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From kathryn at bassett.net  Sat Nov  5 13:01:58 2016
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 11:01:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] 3 Dates Questions
Message-ID: <004b01d2378e$b4267a70$1c736f50$@bassett.net>

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1akv3zu8jvxf4e9/MarriageIndex.accdb?dl=0
Question has to do with this report, and any others I might make:
ReportBasedOnqryGroomOrder

Q 1) When I open the report, the header date shows as Saturday, 05 Nov 2016
and Alexander Hugh's date shows as 19 Oct 1778. When my friend opens it,
Alexander's date shows as 10/19/1778 (all dates show that way). I'm sure it
has to do with the way I have my computer's dates set. Is there a way to
force dates in reports to show up dd MMM yyyy, regardless of the way the
system is set up?

Q 2) Same report. In the table, the Notes field is set as a memo, and the
form has the scrollbar to see all of the field. Scroll down to Chadwick for
my example. I put a bunch of garbage in the notes field. How do I make the
report expand/contract to be the size needed?

Q3) See ! Sample entry where I need to enter *just a year* in the date field
so I can put "2nd month, 9th day" in the notes when Quaker marriage dates
are encountered. Besides Quaker dates, sometimes all I have is a year.

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From kathryn at bassett.net  Sat Nov  5 13:04:31 2016
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 11:04:31 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] 3 Dates Questions
Message-ID: <005201d2378f$0f7a9af0$2e6fd0d0$@bassett.net>

Forgot to mention the version Access 2007-2010 (version 14.0.6023.1000
32bit)


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Nov  5 14:03:06 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 19:03:06 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] 3 Dates Questions
In-Reply-To: <004b01d2378e$b4267a70$1c736f50$@bassett.net>
References: <004b01d2378e$b4267a70$1c736f50$@bassett.net>
Message-ID: <DB6PR0601MB2198486F1C2D2DE215FD6A33CAA50@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Kathryn

You have specified "Long date" for the one field, but no (blank) format for the other.

/gustav

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Sendt: 5. november 2016 19:01:58
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: [AccessD] 3 Dates Questions

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1akv3zu8jvxf4e9/MarriageIndex.accdb?dl=0
Question has to do with this report, and any others I might make:
ReportBasedOnqryGroomOrder

Q 1) When I open the report, the header date shows as Saturday, 05 Nov 2016
and Alexander Hugh's date shows as 19 Oct 1778. When my friend opens it,
Alexander's date shows as 10/19/1778 (all dates show that way). I'm sure it
has to do with the way I have my computer's dates set. Is there a way to
force dates in reports to show up dd MMM yyyy, regardless of the way the
system is set up?

Q 2) Same report. In the table, the Notes field is set as a memo, and the
form has the scrollbar to see all of the field. Scroll down to Chadwick for
my example. I put a bunch of garbage in the notes field. How do I make the
report expand/contract to be the size needed?

Q3) See ! Sample entry where I need to enter *just a year* in the date field
so I can put "2nd month, 9th day" in the notes when Quaker marriage dates
are encountered. Besides Quaker dates, sometimes all I have is a year.

--
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"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
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From kathryn at bassett.net  Sat Nov  5 16:32:29 2016
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 14:32:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] 3 Dates Questions
In-Reply-To: <DB6PR0601MB2198486F1C2D2DE215FD6A33CAA50@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <004b01d2378e$b4267a70$1c736f50$@bassett.net>
	<DB6PR0601MB2198486F1C2D2DE215FD6A33CAA50@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <006901d237ac$1d09a680$571cf380$@bassett.net>

On my computer, I have dd MMM yyy as the short date format, and dddd, dd MMM
yyyy set for the long date format; so the long date for the header is
working correctly to include the day of the week. What I'm trying to
accomplish is to make a date show up as, for example, 19 Oct 1778 on someone
else's computer instead of 10/19/1778.  At the very least have it as Oct 19,
1779. We need the month name, not numbers, because otherwise how does one
tell if 3/5 is Mar 5 or May 3? You have to have the month name in genealogy.
Kathryn

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> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Saturday, 05 Nov 2016 12:03 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] 3 Dates Questions
> 
> Hi Kathryn
> 
> You have specified "Long date" for the one field, but no (blank) format
for
> the other.
> 
> /gustav
> 
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> Emne: [AccessD] 3 Dates Questions
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/1akv3zu8jvxf4e9/MarriageIndex.accdb?dl=0
> Question has to do with this report, and any others I might make:
> ReportBasedOnqryGroomOrder
> 
> Q 1) When I open the report, the header date shows as Saturday, 05 Nov
> 2016 and Alexander Hugh's date shows as 19 Oct 1778. When my friend
> opens it, Alexander's date shows as 10/19/1778 (all dates show that way).
I'm
> sure it has to do with the way I have my computer's dates set. Is there a
way
> to force dates in reports to show up dd MMM yyyy, regardless of the way
> the system is set up?
> 
> Q 2) Same report. In the table, the Notes field is set as a memo, and the
form
> has the scrollbar to see all of the field. Scroll down to Chadwick for my
> example. I put a bunch of garbage in the notes field. How do I make the
> report expand/contract to be the size needed?
> 
> Q3) See ! Sample entry where I need to enter *just a year* in the date
field
> so I can put "2nd month, 9th day" in the notes when Quaker marriage dates
> are encountered. Besides Quaker dates, sometimes all I have is a year.
> 
> --
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Nov  5 17:05:42 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 22:05:42 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] 3 Dates Questions
In-Reply-To: <004b01d2378e$b4267a70$1c736f50$@bassett.net>
References: <004b01d2378e$b4267a70$1c736f50$@bassett.net>
Message-ID: <DB6PR0601MB2198F024DAB5FF15A84C0DCDCAA50@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Kathryn

Re 2: Set property CanGrow for the textbox to: Yes

Re 3: There is no way to do this for a date field.
If you only have the year, enter year-1-1. If you have year and month, enter year-month-1.
You can easily create a Quaker Date formatted string with Format.

/gustav
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Sendt: 5. november 2016 19:01:58
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Emne: [AccessD] 3 Dates Questions

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1akv3zu8jvxf4e9/MarriageIndex.accdb?dl=0
Question has to do with this report, and any others I might make:
ReportBasedOnqryGroomOrder

Q 1) When I open the report, the header date shows as Saturday, 05 Nov 2016
and Alexander Hugh's date shows as 19 Oct 1778. When my friend opens it,
Alexander's date shows as 10/19/1778 (all dates show that way). I'm sure it
has to do with the way I have my computer's dates set. Is there a way to
force dates in reports to show up dd MMM yyyy, regardless of the way the
system is set up?

Q 2) Same report. In the table, the Notes field is set as a memo, and the
form has the scrollbar to see all of the field. Scroll down to Chadwick for
my example. I put a bunch of garbage in the notes field. How do I make the
report expand/contract to be the size needed?

Q3) See ! Sample entry where I need to enter *just a year* in the date field
so I can put "2nd month, 9th day" in the notes when Quaker marriage dates
are encountered. Besides Quaker dates, sometimes all I have is a year.

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"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Nov  5 17:21:20 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 22:21:20 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] 3 Dates Questions
In-Reply-To: <006901d237ac$1d09a680$571cf380$@bassett.net>
References: <004b01d2378e$b4267a70$1c736f50$@bassett.net>
	<DB6PR0601MB2198486F1C2D2DE215FD6A33CAA50@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<006901d237ac$1d09a680$571cf380$@bassett.net>
Message-ID: <DB6PR0601MB21988AB6E026908A03924481CAA50@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Kathryn

To your first question: Set the Format property to: dd mmm yyyy.

To your last question: Use the ISO sequence, yyyy-mm-dd, which nowhere can be misread.

/gustav



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Sendt: 5. november 2016 22:32:29
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] 3 Dates Questions

On my computer, I have dd MMM yyy as the short date format, and dddd, dd MMM
yyyy set for the long date format; so the long date for the header is
working correctly to include the day of the week. What I'm trying to
accomplish is to make a date show up as, for example, 19 Oct 1778 on someone
else's computer instead of 10/19/1778.  At the very least have it as Oct 19,
1779. We need the month name, not numbers, because otherwise how does one
tell if 3/5 is Mar 5 or May 3? You have to have the month name in genealogy.
Kathryn

> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Saturday, 05 Nov 2016 12:03 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] 3 Dates Questions
>
> Hi Kathryn
>
> You have specified "Long date" for the one field, but no (blank) format
for
> the other.
>
> /gustav
>
> ________________________________________
> Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af
> Kathryn Bassett <kathryn at bassett.net>
> Sendt: 5. november 2016 19:01:58
> Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Emne: [AccessD] 3 Dates Questions
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/1akv3zu8jvxf4e9/MarriageIndex.accdb?dl=0
> Question has to do with this report, and any others I might make:
> ReportBasedOnqryGroomOrder
>
> Q 1) When I open the report, the header date shows as Saturday, 05 Nov
> 2016 and Alexander Hugh's date shows as 19 Oct 1778. When my friend
> opens it, Alexander's date shows as 10/19/1778 (all dates show that way).
I'm
> sure it has to do with the way I have my computer's dates set. Is there a
way
> to force dates in reports to show up dd MMM yyyy, regardless of the way
> the system is set up?
>
> Q 2) Same report. In the table, the Notes field is set as a memo, and the
form
> has the scrollbar to see all of the field. Scroll down to Chadwick for my
> example. I put a bunch of garbage in the notes field. How do I make the
> report expand/contract to be the size needed?
>
> Q3) See ! Sample entry where I need to enter *just a year* in the date
field
> so I can put "2nd month, 9th day" in the notes when Quaker marriage dates
> are encountered. Besides Quaker dates, sometimes all I have is a year.
>
> --
> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net
>
>
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sat Nov  5 17:54:21 2016
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 22:54:21 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] 3 Dates Questions
In-Reply-To: <006901d237ac$1d09a680$571cf380$@bassett.net>
References: <004b01d2378e$b4267a70$1c736f50$@bassett.net>
	<DB6PR0601MB2198486F1C2D2DE215FD6A33CAA50@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<006901d237ac$1d09a680$571cf380$@bassett.net>
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Are you using VBA somewhere in the process to produce the date?  

Be aware that any dates processed via VBA are converted to that (IMHO most annoying) US format (MM/DD/YYYY) *regardless* of your OS and regional settings unless you handle them specifically using DATESERIAL or similar.

Regards
Darryl.


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn Bassett
Sent: Sunday, 6 November 2016 8:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] 3 Dates Questions

On my computer, I have dd MMM yyy as the short date format, and dddd, dd MMM yyyy set for the long date format; so the long date for the header is working correctly to include the day of the week. What I'm trying to accomplish is to make a date show up as, for example, 19 Oct 1778 on someone else's computer instead of 10/19/1778.  At the very least have it as Oct 19, 1779. We need the month name, not numbers, because otherwise how does one tell if 3/5 is Mar 5 or May 3? You have to have the month name in genealogy.
Kathryn

> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Saturday, 05 Nov 2016 12:03 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] 3 Dates Questions
> 
> Hi Kathryn
> 
> You have specified "Long date" for the one field, but no (blank) 
> format
for
> the other.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> ________________________________________
> Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af 
> Kathryn Bassett <kathryn at bassett.net>
> Sendt: 5. november 2016 19:01:58
> Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Emne: [AccessD] 3 Dates Questions
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/1akv3zu8jvxf4e9/MarriageIndex.accdb?dl=0
> Question has to do with this report, and any others I might make:
> ReportBasedOnqryGroomOrder
> 
> Q 1) When I open the report, the header date shows as Saturday, 05 Nov
> 2016 and Alexander Hugh's date shows as 19 Oct 1778. When my friend 
> opens it, Alexander's date shows as 10/19/1778 (all dates show that way).
I'm
> sure it has to do with the way I have my computer's dates set. Is 
> there a
way
> to force dates in reports to show up dd MMM yyyy, regardless of the 
> way the system is set up?
> 
> Q 2) Same report. In the table, the Notes field is set as a memo, and 
> the
form
> has the scrollbar to see all of the field. Scroll down to Chadwick for 
> my example. I put a bunch of garbage in the notes field. How do I make 
> the report expand/contract to be the size needed?
> 
> Q3) See ! Sample entry where I need to enter *just a year* in the date
field
> so I can put "2nd month, 9th day" in the notes when Quaker marriage 
> dates are encountered. Besides Quaker dates, sometimes all I have is a year.
> 
> --
> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is 
> my soap"
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net
> 
> 
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sat Nov  5 17:55:21 2016
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 22:55:21 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] 3 Dates Questions
In-Reply-To: <DB6PR0601MB21988AB6E026908A03924481CAA50@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <004b01d2378e$b4267a70$1c736f50$@bassett.net>
	<DB6PR0601MB2198486F1C2D2DE215FD6A33CAA50@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<006901d237ac$1d09a680$571cf380$@bassett.net>
	<DB6PR0601MB21988AB6E026908A03924481CAA50@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <SYXPR01MB1071892234A4B3EB7323DA78FCA50@SYXPR01MB1071.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>

"To your last question: Use the ISO sequence, yyyy-mm-dd, which nowhere can be misread"

Strongly recommend using the approach above when dealing with any dates.

Cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, 6 November 2016 9:21 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] 3 Dates Questions

Hi Kathryn

To your first question: Set the Format property to: dd mmm yyyy.

To your last question: Use the ISO sequence, yyyy-mm-dd, which nowhere can be misread.

/gustav



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Sendt: 5. november 2016 22:32:29
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] 3 Dates Questions

On my computer, I have dd MMM yyy as the short date format, and dddd, dd MMM yyyy set for the long date format; so the long date for the header is working correctly to include the day of the week. What I'm trying to accomplish is to make a date show up as, for example, 19 Oct 1778 on someone else's computer instead of 10/19/1778.  At the very least have it as Oct 19, 1779. We need the month name, not numbers, because otherwise how does one tell if 3/5 is Mar 5 or May 3? You have to have the month name in genealogy.
Kathryn

> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Saturday, 05 Nov 2016 12:03 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] 3 Dates Questions
>
> Hi Kathryn
>
> You have specified "Long date" for the one field, but no (blank) 
> format
for
> the other.
>
> /gustav
>
> ________________________________________
> Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af 
> Kathryn Bassett <kathryn at bassett.net>
> Sendt: 5. november 2016 19:01:58
> Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Emne: [AccessD] 3 Dates Questions
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/1akv3zu8jvxf4e9/MarriageIndex.accdb?dl=0
> Question has to do with this report, and any others I might make:
> ReportBasedOnqryGroomOrder
>
> Q 1) When I open the report, the header date shows as Saturday, 05 Nov
> 2016 and Alexander Hugh's date shows as 19 Oct 1778. When my friend 
> opens it, Alexander's date shows as 10/19/1778 (all dates show that way).
I'm
> sure it has to do with the way I have my computer's dates set. Is 
> there a
way
> to force dates in reports to show up dd MMM yyyy, regardless of the 
> way the system is set up?
>
> Q 2) Same report. In the table, the Notes field is set as a memo, and 
> the
form
> has the scrollbar to see all of the field. Scroll down to Chadwick for 
> my example. I put a bunch of garbage in the notes field. How do I make 
> the report expand/contract to be the size needed?
>
> Q3) See ! Sample entry where I need to enter *just a year* in the date
field
> so I can put "2nd month, 9th day" in the notes when Quaker marriage 
> dates are encountered. Besides Quaker dates, sometimes all I have is a year.
>
> --
> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is 
> my soap"
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net
>
>
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From kathryn at bassett.net  Sat Nov  5 18:31:56 2016
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 16:31:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] 3 Dates Questions
In-Reply-To: <DB6PR0601MB2198F024DAB5FF15A84C0DCDCAA50@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <004b01d2378e$b4267a70$1c736f50$@bassett.net>
	<DB6PR0601MB2198F024DAB5FF15A84C0DCDCAA50@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <007c01d237bc$ccededd0$66c9c970$@bassett.net>

> To your first question: Set the Format property to: dd mmm yyyy.

When seeing that area, I was thrown by the dropdown box only giving some
choices. But with what you said, I ignored the choics and put in the  dd mmm
yyyy. It works on my end, so now I just need to wait until my friend sees my
email to check it again to see if it worked on her end. I'm optimistic.

> Re 2: Set property CanGrow for the textbox to: Yes

I knew there was someplace that should show up, just couldn't find it.
Finally did, so that now works.

> Re 3: There is no way to do this for a date field.
> If you only have the year, enter year-1-1. If you have year and month,
enter
> year-month-1.
> You can easily create a Quaker Date formatted string with Format.

I need clarification for -1-1. Are you giving some way that I can put in 1
Jan 1850 and have it suppress the 1 and the Jan? That would work as long as
it was for just that record, but not if it does it for all records. But I
definitely don't want it to show up as 1 Jan when the date might be mid
year.

> Use the ISO sequence, yyyy-mm-dd, which nowhere can be misread

It would have to be yyyy mmm dd. 2016 Mar 05 would be ok, but... Some people
that would ultimately read the report aren't that bright, so 3 digit month
name is mandatory. Is that something set by system or specific field in the
databse? If by system, then it's the same problem I have now.

And no, Darryl, I'm not using VBA.

Kathryn


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Nov  6 00:10:12 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2016 15:10:12 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] 3 Dates Questions
In-Reply-To: <007c01d237bc$ccededd0$66c9c970$@bassett.net>
References: <004b01d2378e$b4267a70$1c736f50$@bassett.net>,
	<DB6PR0601MB2198F024DAB5FF15A84C0DCDCAA50@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<007c01d237bc$ccededd0$66c9c970$@bassett.net>
Message-ID: <581EBB34.4714.106551EC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I run into this one a lot.  I use 1 Jan if it's year only with a  boolean field IsDOBYear in the 
table with a checkbox on the entry form and use conditional formatting to show either date or 
year.


On 5 Nov 2016 at 16:31, Kathryn Bassett wrote:

> > To your first question: Set the Format property to: dd mmm yyyy.
> 
> When seeing that area, I was thrown by the dropdown box only giving
> some choices. But with what you said, I ignored the choics and put in
> the  dd mmm yyyy. It works on my end, so now I just need to wait until
> my friend sees my email to check it again to see if it worked on her
> end. I'm optimistic.
> 
> > Re 2: Set property CanGrow for the textbox to: Yes
> 
> I knew there was someplace that should show up, just couldn't find it.
> Finally did, so that now works.
> 
> > Re 3: There is no way to do this for a date field.
> > If you only have the year, enter year-1-1. If you have year and
> > month,
> enter
> > year-month-1.
> > You can easily create a Quaker Date formatted string with Format.
> 
> I need clarification for -1-1. Are you giving some way that I can put
> in 1 Jan 1850 and have it suppress the 1 and the Jan? That would work
> as long as it was for just that record, but not if it does it for all
> records. But I definitely don't want it to show up as 1 Jan when the
> date might be mid year.
> 
> > Use the ISO sequence, yyyy-mm-dd, which nowhere can be misread
> 
> It would have to be yyyy mmm dd. 2016 Mar 05 would be ok, but... Some
> people that would ultimately read the report aren't that bright, so 3
> digit month name is mandatory. Is that something set by system or
> specific field in the databse? If by system, then it's the same
> problem I have now.
> 
> And no, Darryl, I'm not using VBA.
> 
> Kathryn
> 
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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Sun Nov  6 01:55:53 2016
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 20:55:53 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Access and Sharepoint
In-Reply-To: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0830375@EX2K10-MBX6.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <000601d236e2$f2327eb0$d6977c10$@dalyn.co.nz>,
	<FA39BFDE38EC4C0E8E30F52C6DF9B54C@XPS>
	<976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0830375@EX2K10-MBX6.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <000f01d23803$33262180$99726480$@dalyn.co.nz>

Thanks Martin and Jim.  Much appreciated

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Martin Reid
Sent: Sunday, 6 November 2016 1:07 a.m.
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access and Sharepoint

Actually all SharePoint data Is stored in sql server. You just cant use it
like a RDMS

Martin

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From: Jim Dettman<mailto:jimdettman at verizon.net>
Sent: ?05/?11/?2016 11:17
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem
solving'<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access and Sharepoint

<<I have not read much detail about this but what I have read indicates that
unless he database is very basic then the Access/Sharepoint combination
falls short.
>>

 There are two approaches here in regards to SharePoint:

1. Desktop DB storing data in SharePoint

2. A Web database or web app.

For #1,  data is stored in SharePoint lists, which after 5,000 records
perform quite poorly.   SharePoint is not a relational DBMS.   You'd be far
better off with a SQL server BE.   I'm not sure why anyone would even
consider using this approach.

For #2, with Access 2007/2010 data is in SharePoint.   So besides data
performance problems, you also have a FE that is not all that flexible.
Good for basic CRUD operations and that's about it.

 With Access 2013/2016 - Data for Web Apps is stored in a SQL Server
BE....much better.   SharePoint is still involved as it hosts the FE, but
your still stuck with a limited FE.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
David Emerson
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 05:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access and Sharepoint

Hi Team,



I have a potential client that is talking about using Sharepoint with an
Access FE.  I have not read much detail about this but what I have read
indicates that unless he database is very basic then the Access/Sharepoint
combination falls short.



The client doesn't need internet access to the database - it could be run on
their internal network.  I haven't yet been given a description of their
requirements so not sure how complicated the project may be in regards to
table structure and data size.



Any thoughts or helpful links?



Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand





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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Nov  6 02:41:32 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 08:41:32 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] 3 Dates Questions
In-Reply-To: <007c01d237bc$ccededd0$66c9c970$@bassett.net>
References: <004b01d2378e$b4267a70$1c736f50$@bassett.net>
	<DB6PR0601MB2198F024DAB5FF15A84C0DCDCAA50@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<007c01d237bc$ccededd0$66c9c970$@bassett.net>
Message-ID: <DB6PR0601MB21981DD2FF156ABE4930DB9ACAA40@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Kathryn

You can choose to set any date format you like. It will always override the default format(s) which are read from the system settings.

You can't have a value of "some date" in a date field - it will always be a specific date.
Stuart's method is probably good - based on real life experience as it is. Of course, you could choose any other month/day than 01-01 to represent an undetermined month-date like 07-01 as a chosen median date of a year.

Another method is to store year, month, and day in separate fields, but that will add a lot of overhead for reading, validation, and writing of the compound dates which you probably don't want.

/gustav
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Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Kathryn Bassett <kathryn at bassett.net>
Sendt: 6. november 2016 00:31:56
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] 3 Dates Questions

> To your first question: Set the Format property to: dd mmm yyyy.

When seeing that area, I was thrown by the dropdown box only giving some
choices. But with what you said, I ignored the choics and put in the  dd mmm
yyyy. It works on my end, so now I just need to wait until my friend sees my
email to check it again to see if it worked on her end. I'm optimistic.

> Re 2: Set property CanGrow for the textbox to: Yes

I knew there was someplace that should show up, just couldn't find it.
Finally did, so that now works.

> Re 3: There is no way to do this for a date field.
> If you only have the year, enter year-1-1. If you have year and month,
enter
> year-month-1.
> You can easily create a Quaker Date formatted string with Format.

I need clarification for -1-1. Are you giving some way that I can put in 1
Jan 1850 and have it suppress the 1 and the Jan? That would work as long as
it was for just that record, but not if it does it for all records. But I
definitely don't want it to show up as 1 Jan when the date might be mid
year.

> Use the ISO sequence, yyyy-mm-dd, which nowhere can be misread

It would have to be yyyy mmm dd. 2016 Mar 05 would be ok, but... Some people
that would ultimately read the report aren't that bright, so 3 digit month
name is mandatory. Is that something set by system or specific field in the
databse? If by system, then it's the same problem I have now.

And no, Darryl, I'm not using VBA.

Kathryn


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From jbodin at sbor.com  Sun Nov  6 08:59:20 2016
From: jbodin at sbor.com (John Bodin)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 14:59:20 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Updates to O365 Bus/Bus Prem Subscriptions to include
 Access
Message-ID: <CY1PR0401MB1020128A73794D9AFADA68BCBDA40@CY1PR0401MB1020.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

FYI for any of you O365 Bus & Bus Prem subscribers, Access will be included.  Additional Connectors included and supposedly more to come.  fwiw.
  
https://blogs.office.com/2016/11/04/microsoft-access-now-included-in-office-365-business-and-business-premium-with-new-enhancements/

John

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From jbodin at sbor.com  Sun Nov  6 12:02:14 2016
From: jbodin at sbor.com (John Bodin)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 18:02:14 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App
In-Reply-To: <BFF5FA14C1394F3C9CF70EDFB291D708@XPS>
References: <CY1PR0401MB10209ECE41CBC6C152089B5BBDD30@CY1PR0401MB1020.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<BFF5FA14C1394F3C9CF70EDFB291D708@XPS>
Message-ID: <CY1PR0401MB1020CE943922FCA48FC5B6F6BDA40@CY1PR0401MB1020.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Well after several weeks, still having speed issues.  Jim, on your comment about maxing out MaxBuffers, does the max # of 65535 trigger some different behavior than setting it to a very large, but not max, 50000?  Just curious as I've mostly seen 50000 as the suggested number.

To date, I have made three changes on the machines:

MaxBuffers = 50000
GPEdit Turn Off Multicast Name Resolution = Enabled
Turn of Autotuning - Netsh Interface TCP Set Global Autotuninglevel=disabled 

Some days, everyone is good.  Other days, one or more stations are bad for 1/2 stretches or longer.  

Any other ideas besides embarking on a re-write to SQLServer?  Appreciate it.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 11:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

John,

<<Any other ideas? >>

 A few.

1. Anti-virus - I would assume it's the same for all, but try turning it off.
2. NIC drivers - make sure their up to date.
3. Make sure there is no diagnostic protocol loaded for the NIC.  If so, remove it.
4. Make sure the NIC is not set to go to sleep (low power mode) 5. Are you using mapped drives or UNC?  If mapped, default settings in Win 7 disconnect a mapped drive after 10 minutes of inactivity.  You can disable this.
6. You should disable ipv6 if your not using it.

That's it for the moment off the top of my head.

 Oh and the MaxBuffers, set it to the max of 65535.   There was a bug in
some versions of Access when running on a 64 bit multi-core processor.   JET
has three background threads by default, one of which was for cache cleanup.
If the threads ended up on different processors, they can block one another.
Setting MaxBuffers to the max alters the cache cleanup process to work around that.

Jim.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bodin
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 09:40 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

Not sure if any of you have had the below issues before, but I haven't in the dozens of years of using access.  Driving me nuts, along with the customer.  Hope someone can help.  Sorry for long post but wanted to share details.

About 15 users w/Access 2000 running a front end access program Backend lives on a server in a shared folder (both FE/BE are MDB's) Gigabit Ethernet Switch Workstations are (were) XP Pro SP3, Win7Pro SP1 64Bit XP machines are Dell Optiplex 360's and 380's Win7Pro machines are Dell Optiplex 3020 Small Form Factor and Micro, and one Opti 7010

Above combo has been running fine since pretty much before dinosaurs became extinct.  Besides Access, some users have Quickbooks, and everyone has some flavor of Office H&B (2007, 2010, 2013, 2016).  None of the H&B come with Access, so only one version of Access on the PC.

In attempt to get remaining users off XP, I bought more Dell's, but they were the Optiplex 3040 Micros, Win7Pro 64Bit.  Not too long after putting these on the network, some, but not all, of the 3040 users experienced slowdowns where a screen that would normally take 2 seconds to open up, now taking 10, 15 sometimes up to 2 minutes.  Not consistent, user might work fine for a while and then bang, slow to a crawl, pretty much unusable.
Other 3040 users may or may not have same problem, but then some of the 3020 micro users experienced the same problem where they never did before, but not nearly as many times as the 3040 users.  Very strangely, the XP users never experience any of this nor the 7010 w/Win7Pro 64Bit, even when the other users are.  They just move along.  So to with the Opti 7010, no issue.
And all machines are running fine with all other apps - QB, Word, Outlook, PDF's, Internet, etc. - Just Access Issue.

Saw various articles describing same problem, even with a standalone workstation running both FE and BE with Windows 7 64Bit.  I haven't seen the issue if there is only one user in the system (common on a Saturday).
However, I've seen this issue with just 2 people in.

Although I can't tell if every machine needs the below or just ones with issues, I have tried the following based on many posts that I have read:

PC Specific:
Group Policy Change to Turn Off Multicast Name Resolution=Enabled Registry MaxBufferSize=50,000 Turn Autotuning Off (NetSh Interface TCP Set Global Autotuning=Disabled)

Non-PC Specific
I replaced the network switch with an older gigabit model but again, I do not think is it.
Replaced wiring at some workstations
Made sure the Lock file was deleted in the shared folder when all users out so it would get created fresh Access 2k SP1 or SP3 was installed on workstations Checked Tools/References to make sure none were missing on the workstation VBE6.DLL was dated 3/17/2015 on the Win7 Machines Bought a used Opti 7010 with same specs (because only other 7010 has never had an issue to date), set it up and put it on the network.  Issue right away with only one other person on the network Probably a few other things I forgot to mention, I've lost track

Customer has brought back some old XP machines because of issue and they are working just fine.

I have a 32bit Win7Pro machine that I am almost done reformatting and will put on the network to see if that does anything.

Any other ideas?  I don't think the number of users is the issue.  I have a
2002 Insurance app with 65 people in it from three locations all day long and no speed issues.

Thanks for taking the time.

John





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From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk  Sun Nov  6 15:22:25 2016
From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 21:22:25 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App
In-Reply-To: <CY1PR0401MB1020CE943922FCA48FC5B6F6BDA40@CY1PR0401MB1020.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CY1PR0401MB10209ECE41CBC6C152089B5BBDD30@CY1PR0401MB1020.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>	<BFF5FA14C1394F3C9CF70EDFB291D708@XPS>
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Is this the same sort of time for the PC's effected - as in each PC has it's own
time of nut working fast - 
I have win-10 on a standalone systems and have noted that the windows (10)
backup facility is taking so much time that it effects other apps - even the
Defender update of  'Definitions' stalls for over 30 minutes 
Particularly annoying at the start of the month when system image tries to redo
the image 
And - if the system is not powered-up at the (scheduled) backup run-time - then
the effect starts soon after the next power-up, and is even worse than usual.

Not saying it isn't a network problem - but backups to local drives is a pain,
and a backup to a cloud, or even a LAN connected drive could be very effective
in slowing down the system

JimB
  


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John
Bodin
Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2016 6:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

Well after several weeks, still having speed issues.  Jim, on your comment about
maxing out MaxBuffers, does the max # of 65535 trigger some different behavior
than setting it to a very large, but not max, 50000?  Just curious as I've
mostly seen 50000 as the suggested number.

To date, I have made three changes on the machines:

MaxBuffers = 50000
GPEdit Turn Off Multicast Name Resolution = Enabled
Turn of Autotuning - Netsh Interface TCP Set Global Autotuninglevel=disabled 

Some days, everyone is good.  Other days, one or more stations are bad for 1/2
stretches or longer.  

Any other ideas besides embarking on a re-write to SQLServer?  Appreciate it.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 11:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

John,

<<Any other ideas? >>

 A few.

1. Anti-virus - I would assume it's the same for all, but try turning it off.
2. NIC drivers - make sure their up to date.
3. Make sure there is no diagnostic protocol loaded for the NIC.  If so, remove
it.
4. Make sure the NIC is not set to go to sleep (low power mode) 5. Are you using
mapped drives or UNC?  If mapped, default settings in Win 7 disconnect a mapped
drive after 10 minutes of inactivity.  You can disable this.
6. You should disable ipv6 if your not using it.

That's it for the moment off the top of my head.

 Oh and the MaxBuffers, set it to the max of 65535.   There was a bug in
some versions of Access when running on a 64 bit multi-core processor.   JET
has three background threads by default, one of which was for cache cleanup.
If the threads ended up on different processors, they can block one another.
Setting MaxBuffers to the max alters the cache cleanup process to work around
that.

Jim.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John
Bodin
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 09:40 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

Not sure if any of you have had the below issues before, but I haven't in the
dozens of years of using access.  Driving me nuts, along with the customer.
Hope someone can help.  Sorry for long post but wanted to share details.

About 15 users w/Access 2000 running a front end access program Backend lives on
a server in a shared folder (both FE/BE are MDB's) Gigabit Ethernet Switch
Workstations are (were) XP Pro SP3, Win7Pro SP1 64Bit XP machines are Dell
Optiplex 360's and 380's Win7Pro machines are Dell Optiplex 3020 Small Form
Factor and Micro, and one Opti 7010

Above combo has been running fine since pretty much before dinosaurs became
extinct.  Besides Access, some users have Quickbooks, and everyone has some
flavor of Office H&B (2007, 2010, 2013, 2016).  None of the H&B come with
Access, so only one version of Access on the PC.

In attempt to get remaining users off XP, I bought more Dell's, but they were
the Optiplex 3040 Micros, Win7Pro 64Bit.  Not too long after putting these on
the network, some, but not all, of the 3040 users experienced slowdowns where a
screen that would normally take 2 seconds to open up, now taking 10, 15
sometimes up to 2 minutes.  Not consistent, user might work fine for a while and
then bang, slow to a crawl, pretty much unusable.
Other 3040 users may or may not have same problem, but then some of the 3020
micro users experienced the same problem where they never did before, but not
nearly as many times as the 3040 users.  Very strangely, the XP users never
experience any of this nor the 7010 w/Win7Pro 64Bit, even when the other users
are.  They just move along.  So to with the Opti 7010, no issue.
And all machines are running fine with all other apps - QB, Word, Outlook,
PDF's, Internet, etc. - Just Access Issue.

Saw various articles describing same problem, even with a standalone workstation
running both FE and BE with Windows 7 64Bit.  I haven't seen the issue if there
is only one user in the system (common on a Saturday).
However, I've seen this issue with just 2 people in.

Although I can't tell if every machine needs the below or just ones with issues,
I have tried the following based on many posts that I have read:

PC Specific:
Group Policy Change to Turn Off Multicast Name Resolution=Enabled Registry
MaxBufferSize=50,000 Turn Autotuning Off (NetSh Interface TCP Set Global
Autotuning=Disabled)

Non-PC Specific
I replaced the network switch with an older gigabit model but again, I do not
think is it.
Replaced wiring at some workstations
Made sure the Lock file was deleted in the shared folder when all users out so
it would get created fresh Access 2k SP1 or SP3 was installed on workstations
Checked Tools/References to make sure none were missing on the workstation
VBE6.DLL was dated 3/17/2015 on the Win7 Machines Bought a used Opti 7010 with
same specs (because only other 7010 has never had an issue to date), set it up
and put it on the network.  Issue right away with only one other person on the
network Probably a few other things I forgot to mention, I've lost track

Customer has brought back some old XP machines because of issue and they are
working just fine.

I have a 32bit Win7Pro machine that I am almost done reformatting and will put
on the network to see if that does anything.

Any other ideas?  I don't think the number of users is the issue.  I have a
2002 Insurance app with 65 people in it from three locations all day long and no
speed issues.

Thanks for taking the time.

John





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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Nov  6 18:13:25 2016
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 00:13:25 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App
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	<BFF5FA14C1394F3C9CF70EDFB291D708@XPS>
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In our office we have about 40 PC and when we moved to W10 we immediately noticed a significant network speed degradation during windows updates.  Things would frequently grind down to less than dial up speeds as windows automatically choose to download and install updates.  It would also be annoying as many of our PC's run overnight doing processing work and you could not prevent some updates from auto rebooting outside of 'active hours' (as set in the OS settings).

We did two things which have helped out.

Firstly all out PC now have a simple registry hack (which I can send you off list if you want) which prevents windows from downloading updates automatically.  Rather like windows 7, All users now get prompted when there are updates available and need to manually click to download and install which they can do at a time of their choosing.  This way we can control any major updates until quieter times such as weekends or overnight.

I have also run a script which prevents Windows telemetry from constantly reporting back home.  I cannot quantify if this has made an improvement or not, but common sense seems to suggest that stopping the PC's from tracking user behaviour and uploading back to MS is likely to help improve response times and network speeds.

These are not specifically related to Access, but might be of use to you anyway.



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button
Sent: Monday, 7 November 2016 8:22 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

Is this the same sort of time for the PC's effected - as in each PC has it's own time of nut working fast - I have win-10 on a standalone systems and have noted that the windows (10) backup facility is taking so much time that it effects other apps - even the Defender update of  'Definitions' stalls for over 30 minutes Particularly annoying at the start of the month when system image tries to redo the image And - if the system is not powered-up at the (scheduled) backup run-time - then the effect starts soon after the next power-up, and is even worse than usual.

Not saying it isn't a network problem - but backups to local drives is a pain, and a backup to a cloud, or even a LAN connected drive could be very effective in slowing down the system

JimB
  


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bodin
Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2016 6:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

Well after several weeks, still having speed issues.  Jim, on your comment about maxing out MaxBuffers, does the max # of 65535 trigger some different behavior than setting it to a very large, but not max, 50000?  Just curious as I've mostly seen 50000 as the suggested number.

To date, I have made three changes on the machines:

MaxBuffers = 50000
GPEdit Turn Off Multicast Name Resolution = Enabled Turn of Autotuning - Netsh Interface TCP Set Global Autotuninglevel=disabled 

Some days, everyone is good.  Other days, one or more stations are bad for 1/2 stretches or longer.  

Any other ideas besides embarking on a re-write to SQLServer?  Appreciate it.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 11:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

John,

<<Any other ideas? >>

 A few.

1. Anti-virus - I would assume it's the same for all, but try turning it off.
2. NIC drivers - make sure their up to date.
3. Make sure there is no diagnostic protocol loaded for the NIC.  If so, remove it.
4. Make sure the NIC is not set to go to sleep (low power mode) 5. Are you using mapped drives or UNC?  If mapped, default settings in Win 7 disconnect a mapped drive after 10 minutes of inactivity.  You can disable this.
6. You should disable ipv6 if your not using it.

That's it for the moment off the top of my head.

 Oh and the MaxBuffers, set it to the max of 65535.   There was a bug in
some versions of Access when running on a 64 bit multi-core processor.   JET
has three background threads by default, one of which was for cache cleanup.
If the threads ended up on different processors, they can block one another.
Setting MaxBuffers to the max alters the cache cleanup process to work around that.

Jim.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bodin
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 09:40 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

Not sure if any of you have had the below issues before, but I haven't in the dozens of years of using access.  Driving me nuts, along with the customer.
Hope someone can help.  Sorry for long post but wanted to share details.

About 15 users w/Access 2000 running a front end access program Backend lives on a server in a shared folder (both FE/BE are MDB's) Gigabit Ethernet Switch Workstations are (were) XP Pro SP3, Win7Pro SP1 64Bit XP machines are Dell Optiplex 360's and 380's Win7Pro machines are Dell Optiplex 3020 Small Form Factor and Micro, and one Opti 7010

Above combo has been running fine since pretty much before dinosaurs became extinct.  Besides Access, some users have Quickbooks, and everyone has some flavor of Office H&B (2007, 2010, 2013, 2016).  None of the H&B come with Access, so only one version of Access on the PC.

In attempt to get remaining users off XP, I bought more Dell's, but they were the Optiplex 3040 Micros, Win7Pro 64Bit.  Not too long after putting these on the network, some, but not all, of the 3040 users experienced slowdowns where a screen that would normally take 2 seconds to open up, now taking 10, 15 sometimes up to 2 minutes.  Not consistent, user might work fine for a while and then bang, slow to a crawl, pretty much unusable.
Other 3040 users may or may not have same problem, but then some of the 3020 micro users experienced the same problem where they never did before, but not nearly as many times as the 3040 users.  Very strangely, the XP users never experience any of this nor the 7010 w/Win7Pro 64Bit, even when the other users are.  They just move along.  So to with the Opti 7010, no issue.
And all machines are running fine with all other apps - QB, Word, Outlook, PDF's, Internet, etc. - Just Access Issue.

Saw various articles describing same problem, even with a standalone workstation running both FE and BE with Windows 7 64Bit.  I haven't seen the issue if there is only one user in the system (common on a Saturday).
However, I've seen this issue with just 2 people in.

Although I can't tell if every machine needs the below or just ones with issues, I have tried the following based on many posts that I have read:

PC Specific:
Group Policy Change to Turn Off Multicast Name Resolution=Enabled Registry
MaxBufferSize=50,000 Turn Autotuning Off (NetSh Interface TCP Set Global
Autotuning=Disabled)

Non-PC Specific
I replaced the network switch with an older gigabit model but again, I do not think is it.
Replaced wiring at some workstations
Made sure the Lock file was deleted in the shared folder when all users out so it would get created fresh Access 2k SP1 or SP3 was installed on workstations Checked Tools/References to make sure none were missing on the workstation VBE6.DLL was dated 3/17/2015 on the Win7 Machines Bought a used Opti 7010 with same specs (because only other 7010 has never had an issue to date), set it up and put it on the network.  Issue right away with only one other person on the network Probably a few other things I forgot to mention, I've lost track

Customer has brought back some old XP machines because of issue and they are working just fine.

I have a 32bit Win7Pro machine that I am almost done reformatting and will put on the network to see if that does anything.

Any other ideas?  I don't think the number of users is the issue.  I have a
2002 Insurance app with 65 people in it from three locations all day long and no speed issues.

Thanks for taking the time.

John





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From jbodin at sbor.com  Sun Nov  6 19:44:33 2016
From: jbodin at sbor.com (John Bodin)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 01:44:33 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App
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Darryl/Jim, thanks for replies and suggestions.  Here's the reason I believe the problem is with the jet engine on the local pc's OR a Windows Update, and not the network.

Everything else runs stellar on the network.  Internet Explorer/Chrome no issues.  VOIP phone system, no problem.  Quickbooks w/6 simultaneous users, no problem.  Opening files over network shares, no problem.  I was hoping I'd have the slow network performance on word/excel files over the network as I have seen that multiple times and have been able to change settings on the server to correct.  Unfortunately, works just fine.  All Windows 7 Pro 64 bit with a few older XP boxes which have never and still never experience the speed problem.

I eliminated the new gig switch I put in a little while back by getting an older model that is much less sophisticated, and no issues w/anything except the random slowdowns with Access.  That goes for both the new and the older switch so I have to rule that out.  And rule out the wiring as I have moved workstations around to see if maybe a bad cable was in play, but problem still randomly happens on original location and moved location.

The server does not have Access installed, just has the MDB's on a shared drive.  Copy of FE on local PC's C drive.  I have some C drives that are SSD's, but doesn't seem to matter.

What the norm has been for the 20+ years this A2K system has been around is that if you are the only one in (say on a Saturday), everything is lightning fast.  Screens open in a second or less.  When 2 or more people get in, then the screens slow a bit, but usually no more than 2 seconds to open any form, very acceptable.  No complaints, even when 15+ are in at the same time, some running multiple instances of Access (one instance runs a Dispatch Board on one monitor, the other instances runs the rest of the program, like Work Order Entry, Purchase Orders, Quotes, etc.)  The other thing I always do before putting an update into the FE is to create a blank MDB and import all the objects from the FE I'm working on and compile the FE.  This is what they run, a clean FE. There was phenomenon back on their server in Windows NT days where if I made a change to a report or form say on one machine, which would decompile that FE, if a second person connected to the app, they would notice a 2 - 3 minute delay in opening any form, every time they clicked on a button or other form.  As soon as everyone got out, one person was left, that person would experience very fast performance again.  Creating blank mdb and importing all objects and compiling took care of this, so I keep doing this slightly pain in the tail procedure whenever making updates to the system.

Finishing up, not too many months ago the speed issue creeped in.  It was around the time of both the addition of the new switch and introduction of Dell 3040 Optiplex Micro machines.  I have addressed removing network switch, but that didn't help.  I can't remove all of the 3040's because of problem with old XP boxes and the version of QB people are running.  There are maybe 4 or 5 3040's in play.  Quite possible a Windows Update came across which would only effect the Win7 boxes, that's a high possibility in my book.

And not being able to explain this one, I've seen a person being the only one in the system on a Saturday morning and the system hung for minutes at a time (white screen) just opening the Access App.  Not even the typical places which are several of the forms/procedures.  That had never happened ever, so a gremlin has snuck in somewhere and I just do not know where.  I do not know what tool(s) to utilize that may help determine the hangup (maybe something like Wireshark, I do not know.)

Thanks for listening.

John



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From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 7:13 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

In our office we have about 40 PC and when we moved to W10 we immediately noticed a significant network speed degradation during windows updates.  Things would frequently grind down to less than dial up speeds as windows automatically choose to download and install updates.  It would also be annoying as many of our PC's run overnight doing processing work and you could not prevent some updates from auto rebooting outside of 'active hours' (as set in the OS settings).

We did two things which have helped out.

Firstly all out PC now have a simple registry hack (which I can send you off list if you want) which prevents windows from downloading updates automatically.  Rather like windows 7, All users now get prompted when there are updates available and need to manually click to download and install which they can do at a time of their choosing.  This way we can control any major updates until quieter times such as weekends or overnight.

I have also run a script which prevents Windows telemetry from constantly reporting back home.  I cannot quantify if this has made an improvement or not, but common sense seems to suggest that stopping the PC's from tracking user behaviour and uploading back to MS is likely to help improve response times and network speeds.

These are not specifically related to Access, but might be of use to you anyway.



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button
Sent: Monday, 7 November 2016 8:22 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

Is this the same sort of time for the PC's effected - as in each PC has it's own time of nut working fast - I have win-10 on a standalone systems and have noted that the windows (10) backup facility is taking so much time that it effects other apps - even the Defender update of  'Definitions' stalls for over 30 minutes Particularly annoying at the start of the month when system image tries to redo the image And - if the system is not powered-up at the (scheduled) backup run-time - then the effect starts soon after the next power-up, and is even worse than usual.

Not saying it isn't a network problem - but backups to local drives is a pain, and a backup to a cloud, or even a LAN connected drive could be very effective in slowing down the system

JimB
  


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Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2016 6:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

Well after several weeks, still having speed issues.  Jim, on your comment about maxing out MaxBuffers, does the max # of 65535 trigger some different behavior than setting it to a very large, but not max, 50000?  Just curious as I've mostly seen 50000 as the suggested number.

To date, I have made three changes on the machines:

MaxBuffers = 50000
GPEdit Turn Off Multicast Name Resolution = Enabled Turn of Autotuning - Netsh Interface TCP Set Global Autotuninglevel=disabled 

Some days, everyone is good.  Other days, one or more stations are bad for 1/2 stretches or longer.  

Any other ideas besides embarking on a re-write to SQLServer?  Appreciate it.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 11:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

John,

<<Any other ideas? >>

 A few.

1. Anti-virus - I would assume it's the same for all, but try turning it off.
2. NIC drivers - make sure their up to date.
3. Make sure there is no diagnostic protocol loaded for the NIC.  If so, remove it.
4. Make sure the NIC is not set to go to sleep (low power mode) 5. Are you using mapped drives or UNC?  If mapped, default settings in Win 7 disconnect a mapped drive after 10 minutes of inactivity.  You can disable this.
6. You should disable ipv6 if your not using it.

That's it for the moment off the top of my head.

 Oh and the MaxBuffers, set it to the max of 65535.   There was a bug in
some versions of Access when running on a 64 bit multi-core processor.   JET
has three background threads by default, one of which was for cache cleanup.
If the threads ended up on different processors, they can block one another.
Setting MaxBuffers to the max alters the cache cleanup process to work around that.

Jim.
 

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From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bodin
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 09:40 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

Not sure if any of you have had the below issues before, but I haven't in the dozens of years of using access.  Driving me nuts, along with the customer.
Hope someone can help.  Sorry for long post but wanted to share details.

About 15 users w/Access 2000 running a front end access program Backend lives on a server in a shared folder (both FE/BE are MDB's) Gigabit Ethernet Switch Workstations are (were) XP Pro SP3, Win7Pro SP1 64Bit XP machines are Dell Optiplex 360's and 380's Win7Pro machines are Dell Optiplex 3020 Small Form Factor and Micro, and one Opti 7010

Above combo has been running fine since pretty much before dinosaurs became extinct.  Besides Access, some users have Quickbooks, and everyone has some flavor of Office H&B (2007, 2010, 2013, 2016).  None of the H&B come with Access, so only one version of Access on the PC.

In attempt to get remaining users off XP, I bought more Dell's, but they were the Optiplex 3040 Micros, Win7Pro 64Bit.  Not too long after putting these on the network, some, but not all, of the 3040 users experienced slowdowns where a screen that would normally take 2 seconds to open up, now taking 10, 15 sometimes up to 2 minutes.  Not consistent, user might work fine for a while and then bang, slow to a crawl, pretty much unusable.
Other 3040 users may or may not have same problem, but then some of the 3020 micro users experienced the same problem where they never did before, but not nearly as many times as the 3040 users.  Very strangely, the XP users never experience any of this nor the 7010 w/Win7Pro 64Bit, even when the other users are.  They just move along.  So to with the Opti 7010, no issue.
And all machines are running fine with all other apps - QB, Word, Outlook, PDF's, Internet, etc. - Just Access Issue.

Saw various articles describing same problem, even with a standalone workstation running both FE and BE with Windows 7 64Bit.  I haven't seen the issue if there is only one user in the system (common on a Saturday).
However, I've seen this issue with just 2 people in.

Although I can't tell if every machine needs the below or just ones with issues, I have tried the following based on many posts that I have read:

PC Specific:
Group Policy Change to Turn Off Multicast Name Resolution=Enabled Registry
MaxBufferSize=50,000 Turn Autotuning Off (NetSh Interface TCP Set Global
Autotuning=Disabled)

Non-PC Specific
I replaced the network switch with an older gigabit model but again, I do not think is it.
Replaced wiring at some workstations
Made sure the Lock file was deleted in the shared folder when all users out so it would get created fresh Access 2k SP1 or SP3 was installed on workstations Checked Tools/References to make sure none were missing on the workstation VBE6.DLL was dated 3/17/2015 on the Win7 Machines Bought a used Opti 7010 with same specs (because only other 7010 has never had an issue to date), set it up and put it on the network.  Issue right away with only one other person on the network Probably a few other things I forgot to mention, I've lost track

Customer has brought back some old XP machines because of issue and they are working just fine.

I have a 32bit Win7Pro machine that I am almost done reformatting and will put on the network to see if that does anything.

Any other ideas?  I don't think the number of users is the issue.  I have a
2002 Insurance app with 65 people in it from three locations all day long and no speed issues.

Thanks for taking the time.

John





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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Nov  7 02:05:57 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 08:05:57 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App
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Hi John

It would be interesting if you could have the option to fire up a 3040 with a clean Windows 10 install, not an update from Windows 7, and check that out. I have nothing but good experiences with Windows 10.

Also, I must say running a 15-user application in Access 2000 is a bit, eh, exotic. Indeed as you can do a straight upsize to Access 2016 just by opening the mdb and run a convert to the accdb format. The changes needed will be minor if you have no fancy coding.

Not a direct answer to your question, I know, just some thoughts.

/gustav

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Emne: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

Darryl/Jim, thanks for replies and suggestions.  Here's the reason I believe the problem is with the jet engine on the local pc's OR a Windows Update, and not the network.

Everything else runs stellar on the network.  Internet Explorer/Chrome no issues.  VOIP phone system, no problem.  Quickbooks w/6 simultaneous users, no problem.  Opening files over network shares, no problem.  I was hoping I'd have the slow network performance on word/excel files over the network as I have seen that multiple times and have been able to change settings on the server to correct.  Unfortunately, works just fine.  All Windows 7 Pro 64 bit with a few older XP boxes which have never and still never experience the speed problem.

I eliminated the new gig switch I put in a little while back by getting an older model that is much less sophisticated, and no issues w/anything except the random slowdowns with Access.  That goes for both the new and the older switch so I have to rule that out.  And rule out the wiring as I have moved workstations around to see if maybe a bad cable was in play, but problem still randomly happens on original location and moved location.

The server does not have Access installed, just has the MDB's on a shared drive.  Copy of FE on local PC's C drive.  I have some C drives that are SSD's, but doesn't seem to matter.

What the norm has been for the 20+ years this A2K system has been around is that if you are the only one in (say on a Saturday), everything is lightning fast.  Screens open in a second or less.  When 2 or more people get in, then the screens slow a bit, but usually no more than 2 seconds to open any form, very acceptable.  No complaints, even when 15+ are in at the same time, some running multiple instances of Access (one instance runs a Dispatch Board on one monitor, the other instances runs the rest of the program, like Work Order Entry, Purchase Orders, Quotes, etc.)  The other thing I always do before putting an update into the FE is to create a blank MDB and import all the objects from the FE I'm working on and compile the FE.  This is what they run, a clean FE. There was phenomenon back on their server in Windows NT days where if I made a change to a report or form say on one machine, which would decompile that FE, if a second person connected to the app, they would no!
 tice a 2 - 3 minute delay in opening any form, every time they clicked on a button or other form.  As soon as everyone got out, one person was left, that person would experience very fast performance again.  Creating blank mdb and importing all objects and compiling took care of this, so I keep doing this slightly pain in the tail procedure whenever making updates to the system.

Finishing up, not too many months ago the speed issue creeped in.  It was around the time of both the addition of the new switch and introduction of Dell 3040 Optiplex Micro machines.  I have addressed removing network switch, but that didn't help.  I can't remove all of the 3040's because of problem with old XP boxes and the version of QB people are running.  There are maybe 4 or 5 3040's in play.  Quite possible a Windows Update came across which would only effect the Win7 boxes, that's a high possibility in my book.

And not being able to explain this one, I've seen a person being the only one in the system on a Saturday morning and the system hung for minutes at a time (white screen) just opening the Access App.  Not even the typical places which are several of the forms/procedures.  That had never happened ever, so a gremlin has snuck in somewhere and I just do not know where.  I do not know what tool(s) to utilize that may help determine the hangup (maybe something like Wireshark, I do not know.)

Thanks for listening.

John 


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Nov  7 07:32:59 2016
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2016 08:32:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App
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<<Jim, on your comment about maxing out MaxBuffers, does the max # of 65535
trigger some different behavior than setting it to a very large, but not
max, 50000?>>

 It ensures that the garbage/clean-up loop problem doesn't occur.  If it's
less than 65535, you can still have the problem.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
John Bodin
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 01:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

Well after several weeks, still having speed issues.  Jim, on your comment
about maxing out MaxBuffers, does the max # of 65535 trigger some different
behavior than setting it to a very large, but not max, 50000?  Just curious
as I've mostly seen 50000 as the suggested number.

To date, I have made three changes on the machines:

MaxBuffers = 50000
GPEdit Turn Off Multicast Name Resolution = Enabled
Turn of Autotuning - Netsh Interface TCP Set Global Autotuninglevel=disabled


Some days, everyone is good.  Other days, one or more stations are bad for
1/2 stretches or longer.  

Any other ideas besides embarking on a re-write to SQLServer?  Appreciate
it.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 11:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

John,

<<Any other ideas? >>

 A few.

1. Anti-virus - I would assume it's the same for all, but try turning it
off.
2. NIC drivers - make sure their up to date.
3. Make sure there is no diagnostic protocol loaded for the NIC.  If so,
remove it.
4. Make sure the NIC is not set to go to sleep (low power mode) 5. Are you
using mapped drives or UNC?  If mapped, default settings in Win 7 disconnect
a mapped drive after 10 minutes of inactivity.  You can disable this.
6. You should disable ipv6 if your not using it.

That's it for the moment off the top of my head.

 Oh and the MaxBuffers, set it to the max of 65535.   There was a bug in
some versions of Access when running on a 64 bit multi-core processor.   JET
has three background threads by default, one of which was for cache cleanup.
If the threads ended up on different processors, they can block one another.
Setting MaxBuffers to the max alters the cache cleanup process to work
around that.

Jim.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
John Bodin
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 09:40 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

Not sure if any of you have had the below issues before, but I haven't in
the dozens of years of using access.  Driving me nuts, along with the
customer.  Hope someone can help.  Sorry for long post but wanted to share
details.

About 15 users w/Access 2000 running a front end access program Backend
lives on a server in a shared folder (both FE/BE are MDB's) Gigabit Ethernet
Switch Workstations are (were) XP Pro SP3, Win7Pro SP1 64Bit XP machines are
Dell Optiplex 360's and 380's Win7Pro machines are Dell Optiplex 3020 Small
Form Factor and Micro, and one Opti 7010

Above combo has been running fine since pretty much before dinosaurs became
extinct.  Besides Access, some users have Quickbooks, and everyone has some
flavor of Office H&B (2007, 2010, 2013, 2016).  None of the H&B come with
Access, so only one version of Access on the PC.

In attempt to get remaining users off XP, I bought more Dell's, but they
were the Optiplex 3040 Micros, Win7Pro 64Bit.  Not too long after putting
these on the network, some, but not all, of the 3040 users experienced
slowdowns where a screen that would normally take 2 seconds to open up, now
taking 10, 15 sometimes up to 2 minutes.  Not consistent, user might work
fine for a while and then bang, slow to a crawl, pretty much unusable.
Other 3040 users may or may not have same problem, but then some of the 3020
micro users experienced the same problem where they never did before, but
not nearly as many times as the 3040 users.  Very strangely, the XP users
never experience any of this nor the 7010 w/Win7Pro 64Bit, even when the
other users are.  They just move along.  So to with the Opti 7010, no issue.
And all machines are running fine with all other apps - QB, Word, Outlook,
PDF's, Internet, etc. - Just Access Issue.

Saw various articles describing same problem, even with a standalone
workstation running both FE and BE with Windows 7 64Bit.  I haven't seen the
issue if there is only one user in the system (common on a Saturday).
However, I've seen this issue with just 2 people in.

Although I can't tell if every machine needs the below or just ones with
issues, I have tried the following based on many posts that I have read:

PC Specific:
Group Policy Change to Turn Off Multicast Name Resolution=Enabled Registry
MaxBufferSize=50,000 Turn Autotuning Off (NetSh Interface TCP Set Global
Autotuning=Disabled)

Non-PC Specific
I replaced the network switch with an older gigabit model but again, I do
not think is it.
Replaced wiring at some workstations
Made sure the Lock file was deleted in the shared folder when all users out
so it would get created fresh Access 2k SP1 or SP3 was installed on
workstations Checked Tools/References to make sure none were missing on the
workstation VBE6.DLL was dated 3/17/2015 on the Win7 Machines Bought a used
Opti 7010 with same specs (because only other 7010 has never had an issue to
date), set it up and put it on the network.  Issue right away with only one
other person on the network Probably a few other things I forgot to mention,
I've lost track

Customer has brought back some old XP machines because of issue and they are
working just fine.

I have a 32bit Win7Pro machine that I am almost done reformatting and will
put on the network to see if that does anything.

Any other ideas?  I don't think the number of users is the issue.  I have a
2002 Insurance app with 65 people in it from three locations all day long
and no speed issues.

Thanks for taking the time.

John





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From jbodin at sbor.com  Mon Nov  7 10:02:19 2016
From: jbodin at sbor.com (John Bodin)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 16:02:19 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App
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Hi Gustav, thanks for response.  I'm thinking it is something with a Windows Update that happened sometime in early July, which coincidentally was when I started rolling out the 3040 upgrades.  Received call this morning that someone's pc is really dog slow (only in the Access program) and I have already switched him out from a 3040 to an Opti 7010 w/SSD drive (another user has one of these w/o issue).  They are going to switch him back to his old XP machine to see what happens.


Reason I'm leaning more towards a windows update is that the 3020's w/Win7 I had in play for some time now had not shown any issues, but recently, they too are having trouble.  But the frustrating part is that not everyone experiences the problems.  And if they do, it is a here and there problem for part of a day and then nothing wrong for a good stretch.


That said, I feel if I were to put in a Win 10 box, I still wouldn't have the warm and fuzzies if it worked for a while.  Maybe the second one introduced would all of a sudden exhibit the problem.  I wish it was something I could repeat on demand so I'd know where to look (like a bad reference to a dll or ocx.)


As to running 15 folks in A2K, I had an A2K insurance app that was as sophisticated or more so than this one, running with 60+ users in three locations w/o issue.  Company was bought out a little while back so they no longer use it, but no real issues to speak of.  Leary of 2016 since I do use some third party stuff that I'd have to trace out and try to develop replacement code or workarounds.  Certainly possible, just not a quick easy gig.  Something that would eventually need to be done, for sure...  SQLServer backend sounds like where this should go.


Thanks,


John






John Bodin

sBOR Office Systems

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From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 3:05 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

Hi John

It would be interesting if you could have the option to fire up a 3040 with a clean Windows 10 install, not an update from Windows 7, and check that out. I have nothing but good experiences with Windows 10.

Also, I must say running a 15-user application in Access 2000 is a bit, eh, exotic. Indeed as you can do a straight upsize to Access 2016 just by opening the mdb and run a convert to the accdb format. The changes needed will be minor if you have no fancy coding.

Not a direct answer to your question, I know, just some thoughts.

/gustav

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Emne: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

Darryl/Jim, thanks for replies and suggestions.  Here's the reason I believe the problem is with the jet engine on the local pc's OR a Windows Update, and not the network.

Everything else runs stellar on the network.  Internet Explorer/Chrome no issues.  VOIP phone system, no problem.  Quickbooks w/6 simultaneous users, no problem.  Opening files over network shares, no problem.  I was hoping I'd have the slow network performance on word/excel files over the network as I have seen that multiple times and have been able to change settings on the server to correct.  Unfortunately, works just fine.  All Windows 7 Pro 64 bit with a few older XP boxes which have never and still never experience the speed problem.

I eliminated the new gig switch I put in a little while back by getting an older model that is much less sophisticated, and no issues w/anything except the random slowdowns with Access.  That goes for both the new and the older switch so I have to rule that out.  And rule out the wiring as I have moved workstations around to see if maybe a bad cable was in play, but problem still randomly happens on original location and moved location.

The server does not have Access installed, just has the MDB's on a shared drive.  Copy of FE on local PC's C drive.  I have some C drives that are SSD's, but doesn't seem to matter.

What the norm has been for the 20+ years this A2K system has been around is that if you are the only one in (say on a Saturday), everything is lightning fast.  Screens open in a second or less.  When 2 or more people get in, then the screens slow a bit, but usually no more than 2 seconds to open any form, very acceptable.  No complaints, even when 15+ are in at the same time, some running multiple instances of Access (one instance runs a Dispatch Board on one monitor, the other instances runs the rest of the program, like Work Order Entry, Purchase Orders, Quotes, etc.)  The other thing I always do before putting an update into the FE is to create a blank MDB and import all the objects from the FE I'm working on and compile the FE.  This is what they run, a clean FE. There was phenomenon back on their server in Windows NT days where if I made a change to a report or form say on one machine, which would decompile that FE, if a second person connected to the app, they would no!
 tice a 2 - 3 minute delay in opening any form, every time they clicked on a button or other form.  As soon as everyone got out, one person was left, that person would experience very fast performance again.  Creating blank mdb and importing all objects and compiling took care of this, so I keep doing this slightly pain in the tail procedure whenever making updates to the system.

Finishing up, not too many months ago the speed issue creeped in.  It was around the time of both the addition of the new switch and introduction of Dell 3040 Optiplex Micro machines.  I have addressed removing network switch, but that didn't help.  I can't remove all of the 3040's because of problem with old XP boxes and the version of QB people are running.  There are maybe 4 or 5 3040's in play.  Quite possible a Windows Update came across which would only effect the Win7 boxes, that's a high possibility in my book.

And not being able to explain this one, I've seen a person being the only one in the system on a Saturday morning and the system hung for minutes at a time (white screen) just opening the Access App.  Not even the typical places which are several of the forms/procedures.  That had never happened ever, so a gremlin has snuck in somewhere and I just do not know where.  I do not know what tool(s) to utilize that may help determine the hangup (maybe something like Wireshark, I do not know.)

Thanks for listening.

John

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From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Nov  7 10:26:35 2016
From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 16:26:35 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App
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Darryl, (and anybody else interested)

Re slowdown in win-10 

I noted that:
Soon after win-10 came to our PC's the win-7 update process got very slow 
And - for PC's with less than 1GB memory the update went from a few minutes -
maybe up to 30 for a check of what to get, to several hours, maybe a day.
That can be helped by turning off ALL concurrently running processes - including
performance monitor, and anti-virus checking.
The new update process seemed to want to read all of the files on the OS
partition.

I used the profile facility in 10-pro to set it to ask about updates - and when
that constraint seemed to get turned off by a fix, turned it back on.
I was told that the anniversary version would remove the profile facility - but,
while I may not be able to set it anymore ( haven't tried) it still seems to be
asking about fixes

Problem seems to be that while earlier versions of Defender went and got the
updates themselves, and then windows update could be invoked for the rest of the
fixes,
The constraint setting seems to also stop defender automatically getting the
latest definitions, and it needs prompting.
Then - you have to wait for that to finish the update (using the update engine)
before you can get Windows Update to try to use the update engine

So - win-7 - I download the fix sets and do an offline update - (most restarts
are without asking for confirmation - most user interaction seems to be -
"accept the licence for the new version" a much faster process than having to
use the MS process to access and download individual fixes.
Could be that a large proportion of the "got that block, next block please
requests" from the PC are timing out and having to be re-sent again, and again
and..
So keeping the PC busy waiting for data and timeouts rather than actual data
processing.

But - them's just my guesses based on what I have managed to get details of, and
work out!

JimB  


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl
Collins
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 12:13 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

In our office we have about 40 PC and when we moved to W10 we immediately
noticed a significant network speed degradation during windows updates.  Things
would frequently grind down to less than dial up speeds as windows automatically
choose to download and install updates.  It would also be annoying as many of
our PC's run overnight doing processing work and you could not prevent some
updates from auto rebooting outside of 'active hours' (as set in the OS
settings).

We did two things which have helped out.

Firstly all out PC now have a simple registry hack (which I can send you off
list if you want) which prevents windows from downloading updates automatically.
Rather like windows 7, All users now get prompted when there are updates
available and need to manually click to download and install which they can do
at a time of their choosing.  This way we can control any major updates until
quieter times such as weekends or overnight.

I have also run a script which prevents Windows telemetry from constantly
reporting back home.  I cannot quantify if this has made an improvement or not,
but common sense seems to suggest that stopping the PC's from tracking user
behaviour and uploading back to MS is likely to help improve response times and
network speeds.

These are not specifically related to Access, but might be of use to you anyway.



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From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James
Button
Sent: Monday, 7 November 2016 8:22 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

Is this the same sort of time for the PC's effected - as in each PC has it's own
time of nut working fast - I have win-10 on a standalone systems and have noted
that the windows (10) backup facility is taking so much time that it effects
other apps - even the Defender update of  'Definitions' stalls for over 30
minutes Particularly annoying at the start of the month when system image tries
to redo the image And - if the system is not powered-up at the (scheduled)
backup run-time - then the effect starts soon after the next power-up, and is
even worse than usual.

Not saying it isn't a network problem - but backups to local drives is a pain,
and a backup to a cloud, or even a LAN connected drive could be very effective
in slowing down the system

JimB
  


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From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John
Bodin
Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2016 6:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

Well after several weeks, still having speed issues.  Jim, on your comment about
maxing out MaxBuffers, does the max # of 65535 trigger some different behavior
than setting it to a very large, but not max, 50000?  Just curious as I've
mostly seen 50000 as the suggested number.

To date, I have made three changes on the machines:

MaxBuffers = 50000
GPEdit Turn Off Multicast Name Resolution = Enabled Turn of Autotuning - Netsh
Interface TCP Set Global Autotuninglevel=disabled 

Some days, everyone is good.  Other days, one or more stations are bad for 1/2
stretches or longer.  

Any other ideas besides embarking on a re-write to SQLServer?  Appreciate it.

John

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From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 11:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

John,

<<Any other ideas? >>

 A few.

1. Anti-virus - I would assume it's the same for all, but try turning it off.
2. NIC drivers - make sure their up to date.
3. Make sure there is no diagnostic protocol loaded for the NIC.  If so, remove
it.
4. Make sure the NIC is not set to go to sleep (low power mode) 5. Are you using
mapped drives or UNC?  If mapped, default settings in Win 7 disconnect a mapped
drive after 10 minutes of inactivity.  You can disable this.
6. You should disable ipv6 if your not using it.

That's it for the moment off the top of my head.

 Oh and the MaxBuffers, set it to the max of 65535.   There was a bug in
some versions of Access when running on a 64 bit multi-core processor.   JET
has three background threads by default, one of which was for cache cleanup.
If the threads ended up on different processors, they can block one another.
Setting MaxBuffers to the max alters the cache cleanup process to work around
that.

Jim.
 

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From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John
Bodin
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 09:40 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

Not sure if any of you have had the below issues before, but I haven't in the
dozens of years of using access.  Driving me nuts, along with the customer.
Hope someone can help.  Sorry for long post but wanted to share details.

About 15 users w/Access 2000 running a front end access program Backend lives on
a server in a shared folder (both FE/BE are MDB's) Gigabit Ethernet Switch
Workstations are (were) XP Pro SP3, Win7Pro SP1 64Bit XP machines are Dell
Optiplex 360's and 380's Win7Pro machines are Dell Optiplex 3020 Small Form
Factor and Micro, and one Opti 7010

Above combo has been running fine since pretty much before dinosaurs became
extinct.  Besides Access, some users have Quickbooks, and everyone has some
flavor of Office H&B (2007, 2010, 2013, 2016).  None of the H&B come with
Access, so only one version of Access on the PC.

In attempt to get remaining users off XP, I bought more Dell's, but they were
the Optiplex 3040 Micros, Win7Pro 64Bit.  Not too long after putting these on
the network, some, but not all, of the 3040 users experienced slowdowns where a
screen that would normally take 2 seconds to open up, now taking 10, 15
sometimes up to 2 minutes.  Not consistent, user might work fine for a while and
then bang, slow to a crawl, pretty much unusable.
Other 3040 users may or may not have same problem, but then some of the 3020
micro users experienced the same problem where they never did before, but not
nearly as many times as the 3040 users.  Very strangely, the XP users never
experience any of this nor the 7010 w/Win7Pro 64Bit, even when the other users
are.  They just move along.  So to with the Opti 7010, no issue.
And all machines are running fine with all other apps - QB, Word, Outlook,
PDF's, Internet, etc. - Just Access Issue.

Saw various articles describing same problem, even with a standalone workstation
running both FE and BE with Windows 7 64Bit.  I haven't seen the issue if there
is only one user in the system (common on a Saturday).
However, I've seen this issue with just 2 people in.

Although I can't tell if every machine needs the below or just ones with issues,
I have tried the following based on many posts that I have read:

PC Specific:
Group Policy Change to Turn Off Multicast Name Resolution=Enabled Registry
MaxBufferSize=50,000 Turn Autotuning Off (NetSh Interface TCP Set Global
Autotuning=Disabled)

Non-PC Specific
I replaced the network switch with an older gigabit model but again, I do not
think is it.
Replaced wiring at some workstations
Made sure the Lock file was deleted in the shared folder when all users out so
it would get created fresh Access 2k SP1 or SP3 was installed on workstations
Checked Tools/References to make sure none were missing on the workstation
VBE6.DLL was dated 3/17/2015 on the Win7 Machines Bought a used Opti 7010 with
same specs (because only other 7010 has never had an issue to date), set it up
and put it on the network.  Issue right away with only one other person on the
network Probably a few other things I forgot to mention, I've lost track

Customer has brought back some old XP machines because of issue and they are
working just fine.

I have a 32bit Win7Pro machine that I am almost done reformatting and will put
on the network to see if that does anything.

Any other ideas?  I don't think the number of users is the issue.  I have a
2002 Insurance app with 65 people in it from three locations all day long and no
speed issues.

Thanks for taking the time.

John





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John Bodin
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From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Nov  7 10:39:58 2016
From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 16:39:58 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App
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John,

Thanks for the reply - 
Yes, does seem to be Access related rather than other processes - 

You seem to have excluded be comms error handling, and most other processes.

Some possible sources of delays -
Server processes need more memory - is something else now using more of the
server memory
Database Locks within the facility  
Index gone missing 
Server level File locking ?? 
Some part of the processing has gone over a critical (to the memory management)
number of entries, or data file size 
I have come across problems related to data keys being date based and the
randomising algorithm was grouping data causing locking problems, and then the
'fixed' version spreading data causing massively unexpected numbers of reads to
get the spread-out data. 

Basically - all guesses at things to look at!
 
If you do identify a cause, please post the analysis !

JimB

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Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 1:45 AM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

Darryl/Jim, thanks for replies and suggestions.  Here's the reason I believe the
problem is with the jet engine on the local pc's OR a Windows Update, and not
the network.

Everything else runs stellar on the network.  Internet Explorer/Chrome no
issues.  VOIP phone system, no problem.  Quickbooks w/6 simultaneous users, no
problem.  Opening files over network shares, no problem.  I was hoping I'd have
the slow network performance on word/excel files over the network as I have seen
that multiple times and have been able to change settings on the server to
correct.  Unfortunately, works just fine.  All Windows 7 Pro 64 bit with a few
older XP boxes which have never and still never experience the speed problem.

I eliminated the new gig switch I put in a little while back by getting an older
model that is much less sophisticated, and no issues w/anything except the
random slowdowns with Access.  That goes for both the new and the older switch
so I have to rule that out.  And rule out the wiring as I have moved
workstations around to see if maybe a bad cable was in play, but problem still
randomly happens on original location and moved location.

The server does not have Access installed, just has the MDB's on a shared drive.
Copy of FE on local PC's C drive.  I have some C drives that are SSD's, but
doesn't seem to matter.

What the norm has been for the 20+ years this A2K system has been around is that
if you are the only one in (say on a Saturday), everything is lightning fast.
Screens open in a second or less.  When 2 or more people get in, then the
screens slow a bit, but usually no more than 2 seconds to open any form, very
acceptable.  No complaints, even when 15+ are in at the same time, some running
multiple instances of Access (one instance runs a Dispatch Board on one monitor,
the other instances runs the rest of the program, like Work Order Entry,
Purchase Orders, Quotes, etc.)  The other thing I always do before putting an
update into the FE is to create a blank MDB and import all the objects from the
FE I'm working on and compile the FE.  This is what they run, a clean FE. There
was phenomenon back on their server in Windows NT days where if I made a change
to a report or form say on one machine, which would decompile that FE, if a
second person connected to the app, they would no!
 tice a 2 - 3 minute delay in opening any form, every time they clicked on a
button or other form.  As soon as everyone got out, one person was left, that
person would experience very fast performance again.  Creating blank mdb and
importing all objects and compiling took care of this, so I keep doing this
slightly pain in the tail procedure whenever making updates to the system.

Finishing up, not too many months ago the speed issue creeped in.  It was around
the time of both the addition of the new switch and introduction of Dell 3040
Optiplex Micro machines.  I have addressed removing network switch, but that
didn't help.  I can't remove all of the 3040's because of problem with old XP
boxes and the version of QB people are running.  There are maybe 4 or 5 3040's
in play.  Quite possible a Windows Update came across which would only effect
the Win7 boxes, that's a high possibility in my book.

And not being able to explain this one, I've seen a person being the only one in
the system on a Saturday morning and the system hung for minutes at a time
(white screen) just opening the Access App.  Not even the typical places which
are several of the forms/procedures.  That had never happened ever, so a gremlin
has snuck in somewhere and I just do not know where.  I do not know what tool(s)
to utilize that may help determine the hangup (maybe something like Wireshark, I
do not know.)

Thanks for listening.

John



From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Nov  7 10:44:27 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 16:44:27 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App
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Hi John and Darryl

In my experience, Windows Update has been vastly improved from Win7 to Win8.x and indeed to Win10.
It now runs smoothly in the background.

Also, it can be adjusted to your liking in the Enterprise version; the Home edition is not that flexible.

/gustav

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Sendt: 7. november 2016 17:27
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

Darryl, (and anybody else interested)

Re slowdown in win-10 

I noted that:
Soon after win-10 came to our PC's the win-7 update process got very slow And - for PC's with less than 1GB memory the update went from a few minutes - maybe up to 30 for a check of what to get, to several hours, maybe a day.
That can be helped by turning off ALL concurrently running processes - including performance monitor, and anti-virus checking.
The new update process seemed to want to read all of the files on the OS partition.

I used the profile facility in 10-pro to set it to ask about updates - and when that constraint seemed to get turned off by a fix, turned it back on.
I was told that the anniversary version would remove the profile facility - but, while I may not be able to set it anymore ( haven't tried) it still seems to be asking about fixes

Problem seems to be that while earlier versions of Defender went and got the updates themselves, and then windows update could be invoked for the rest of the fixes, The constraint setting seems to also stop defender automatically getting the latest definitions, and it needs prompting.
Then - you have to wait for that to finish the update (using the update engine) before you can get Windows Update to try to use the update engine

So - win-7 - I download the fix sets and do an offline update - (most restarts are without asking for confirmation - most user interaction seems to be - "accept the licence for the new version" a much faster process than having to use the MS process to access and download individual fixes.
Could be that a large proportion of the "got that block, next block please requests" from the PC are timing out and having to be re-sent again, and again and..
So keeping the PC busy waiting for data and timeouts rather than actual data processing.

But - them's just my guesses based on what I have managed to get details of, and work out!

JimB  


From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Nov  7 12:50:19 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 11:50:19 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App
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James:

As a retiree, my computing work is not that essential. It seems that everytime, I start my Windws10 box, it goes into update mode and that generally continues on for up to half and hour. We have taken the approach, when ever we will be doing some Adobe inDesign work, to logging in and then go for breakfast. By the time we get back everything is running. 

Who am I to say that these updates are not important but we also have a number of Linux boxes that also do regular updates. The difference is the Linux updates, run in the background, cause no noticeable affect on performance, take minutes to complete and only require attention if there is a "kernel" update...and those can be delayed until convenient. Also note; full backups and Cloud syncing takes place in the background. 

My question is, "What is the problem"? Is there very important reasons for the duration of Windows updates, the intrusiveness and the system's apparent inability to multi-task? As this desktop is Microsoft's state-of-the-Art system, you would think that there must be good reasons....?

I have computer knowledge and can "fix" most of this annoying crap but there should be information on "Why" and for the average business they are so screwed.

Jim   

----- Original Message -----
From: "James Button" <jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 8:26:35 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

Darryl, (and anybody else interested)

Re slowdown in win-10 

I noted that:
Soon after win-10 came to our PC's the win-7 update process got very slow 
And - for PC's with less than 1GB memory the update went from a few minutes -
maybe up to 30 for a check of what to get, to several hours, maybe a day.
That can be helped by turning off ALL concurrently running processes - including
performance monitor, and anti-virus checking.
The new update process seemed to want to read all of the files on the OS
partition.

I used the profile facility in 10-pro to set it to ask about updates - and when
that constraint seemed to get turned off by a fix, turned it back on.
I was told that the anniversary version would remove the profile facility - but,
while I may not be able to set it anymore ( haven't tried) it still seems to be
asking about fixes

Problem seems to be that while earlier versions of Defender went and got the
updates themselves, and then windows update could be invoked for the rest of the
fixes,
The constraint setting seems to also stop defender automatically getting the
latest definitions, and it needs prompting.
Then - you have to wait for that to finish the update (using the update engine)
before you can get Windows Update to try to use the update engine

So - win-7 - I download the fix sets and do an offline update - (most restarts
are without asking for confirmation - most user interaction seems to be -
"accept the licence for the new version" a much faster process than having to
use the MS process to access and download individual fixes.
Could be that a large proportion of the "got that block, next block please
requests" from the PC are timing out and having to be re-sent again, and again
and..
So keeping the PC busy waiting for data and timeouts rather than actual data
processing.

But - them's just my guesses based on what I have managed to get details of, and
work out!

JimB  


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl
Collins
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 12:13 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

In our office we have about 40 PC and when we moved to W10 we immediately
noticed a significant network speed degradation during windows updates.  Things
would frequently grind down to less than dial up speeds as windows automatically
choose to download and install updates.  It would also be annoying as many of
our PC's run overnight doing processing work and you could not prevent some
updates from auto rebooting outside of 'active hours' (as set in the OS
settings).

We did two things which have helped out.

Firstly all out PC now have a simple registry hack (which I can send you off
list if you want) which prevents windows from downloading updates automatically.
Rather like windows 7, All users now get prompted when there are updates
available and need to manually click to download and install which they can do
at a time of their choosing.  This way we can control any major updates until
quieter times such as weekends or overnight.

I have also run a script which prevents Windows telemetry from constantly
reporting back home.  I cannot quantify if this has made an improvement or not,
but common sense seems to suggest that stopping the PC's from tracking user
behaviour and uploading back to MS is likely to help improve response times and
network speeds.

These are not specifically related to Access, but might be of use to you anyway.



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James
Button
Sent: Monday, 7 November 2016 8:22 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

Is this the same sort of time for the PC's effected - as in each PC has it's own
time of nut working fast - I have win-10 on a standalone systems and have noted
that the windows (10) backup facility is taking so much time that it effects
other apps - even the Defender update of  'Definitions' stalls for over 30
minutes Particularly annoying at the start of the month when system image tries
to redo the image And - if the system is not powered-up at the (scheduled)
backup run-time - then the effect starts soon after the next power-up, and is
even worse than usual.

Not saying it isn't a network problem - but backups to local drives is a pain,
and a backup to a cloud, or even a LAN connected drive could be very effective
in slowing down the system

JimB
  


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John
Bodin
Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2016 6:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

Well after several weeks, still having speed issues.  Jim, on your comment about
maxing out MaxBuffers, does the max # of 65535 trigger some different behavior
than setting it to a very large, but not max, 50000?  Just curious as I've
mostly seen 50000 as the suggested number.

To date, I have made three changes on the machines:

MaxBuffers = 50000
GPEdit Turn Off Multicast Name Resolution = Enabled Turn of Autotuning - Netsh
Interface TCP Set Global Autotuninglevel=disabled 

Some days, everyone is good.  Other days, one or more stations are bad for 1/2
stretches or longer.  

Any other ideas besides embarking on a re-write to SQLServer?  Appreciate it.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 11:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

John,

<>

 A few.

1. Anti-virus - I would assume it's the same for all, but try turning it off.
2. NIC drivers - make sure their up to date.
3. Make sure there is no diagnostic protocol loaded for the NIC.  If so, remove
it.
4. Make sure the NIC is not set to go to sleep (low power mode) 5. Are you using
mapped drives or UNC?  If mapped, default settings in Win 7 disconnect a mapped
drive after 10 minutes of inactivity.  You can disable this.
6. You should disable ipv6 if your not using it.

That's it for the moment off the top of my head.

 Oh and the MaxBuffers, set it to the max of 65535.   There was a bug in
some versions of Access when running on a 64 bit multi-core processor.   JET
has three background threads by default, one of which was for cache cleanup.
If the threads ended up on different processors, they can block one another.
Setting MaxBuffers to the max alters the cache cleanup process to work around
that.

Jim.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John
Bodin
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 09:40 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

Not sure if any of you have had the below issues before, but I haven't in the
dozens of years of using access.  Driving me nuts, along with the customer.
Hope someone can help.  Sorry for long post but wanted to share details.

About 15 users w/Access 2000 running a front end access program Backend lives on
a server in a shared folder (both FE/BE are MDB's) Gigabit Ethernet Switch
Workstations are (were) XP Pro SP3, Win7Pro SP1 64Bit XP machines are Dell
Optiplex 360's and 380's Win7Pro machines are Dell Optiplex 3020 Small Form
Factor and Micro, and one Opti 7010

Above combo has been running fine since pretty much before dinosaurs became
extinct.  Besides Access, some users have Quickbooks, and everyone has some
flavor of Office H&B (2007, 2010, 2013, 2016).  None of the H&B come with
Access, so only one version of Access on the PC.

In attempt to get remaining users off XP, I bought more Dell's, but they were
the Optiplex 3040 Micros, Win7Pro 64Bit.  Not too long after putting these on
the network, some, but not all, of the 3040 users experienced slowdowns where a
screen that would normally take 2 seconds to open up, now taking 10, 15
sometimes up to 2 minutes.  Not consistent, user might work fine for a while and
then bang, slow to a crawl, pretty much unusable.
Other 3040 users may or may not have same problem, but then some of the 3020
micro users experienced the same problem where they never did before, but not
nearly as many times as the 3040 users.  Very strangely, the XP users never
experience any of this nor the 7010 w/Win7Pro 64Bit, even when the other users
are.  They just move along.  So to with the Opti 7010, no issue.
And all machines are running fine with all other apps - QB, Word, Outlook,
PDF's, Internet, etc. - Just Access Issue.

Saw various articles describing same problem, even with a standalone workstation
running both FE and BE with Windows 7 64Bit.  I haven't seen the issue if there
is only one user in the system (common on a Saturday).
However, I've seen this issue with just 2 people in.

Although I can't tell if every machine needs the below or just ones with issues,
I have tried the following based on many posts that I have read:

PC Specific:
Group Policy Change to Turn Off Multicast Name Resolution=Enabled Registry
MaxBufferSize=50,000 Turn Autotuning Off (NetSh Interface TCP Set Global
Autotuning=Disabled)

Non-PC Specific
I replaced the network switch with an older gigabit model but again, I do not
think is it.
Replaced wiring at some workstations
Made sure the Lock file was deleted in the shared folder when all users out so
it would get created fresh Access 2k SP1 or SP3 was installed on workstations
Checked Tools/References to make sure none were missing on the workstation
VBE6.DLL was dated 3/17/2015 on the Win7 Machines Bought a used Opti 7010 with
same specs (because only other 7010 has never had an issue to date), set it up
and put it on the network.  Issue right away with only one other person on the
network Probably a few other things I forgot to mention, I've lost track

Customer has brought back some old XP machines because of issue and they are
working just fine.

I have a 32bit Win7Pro machine that I am almost done reformatting and will put
on the network to see if that does anything.

Any other ideas?  I don't think the number of users is the issue.  I have a
2002 Insurance app with 65 people in it from three locations all day long and no
speed issues.

Thanks for taking the time.

John





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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Mon Nov  7 13:19:02 2016
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 14:19:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working! (Working Solution)
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RE: "When you use Sleep 0 there is no guarantee that all VBA events in the
queue will be
completed,"

Stuart, Do you mean OS events, or actually mean VBA events?

On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 6:12 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
wrote:

> One is a sbuseet of the other.
>
> When you use DoEvents, everything else currently queued gets done, then
> Sleep 0 is called.
>
> When you use Sleep 0 there is no guarantee that all VBA events in the
> queue will be
> completed,
>
>
> Good article here on the overhead of DoEvents:
>
> http://www.fmsinc.com/microsoftaccess/modules/examples/avoiddoevents.asp
>
> But for advantages of using it, see here:
>
> http://analystcave.com/vba-sleep-vs-wait/
>
>
>
> On 3 Nov 2016 at 12:22, Jim Dettman wrote:
>
> >
> > Yes and no.
> >
> > DoEvent yields the processing time to the OS, but your code remains
> > active.
> >
> > Sleep on the other hand tells the OS to put the process on to sleep
> > for that amount of time, and nothing executes.   When the sleep is
> > over, you'll be on the next line of code.
> >
> > No need to be used together; when you sleep, everything else gets
> > time.
> >
> > Jim.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> > Of Mark Simms Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 11:11 AM To: 'Access
> > Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD]
> > Access Has Stopped Working! (Working Solution)
> >
> > Does the Sleep API function provide the same functionality as the
> > DoEvents loop ?
> >
> > Or should they be used together ?
> >
> > DoEvents
> > Sleep 500 ' Wait 1/2 second
> >
> >
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From jbodin at sbor.com  Mon Nov  7 14:10:47 2016
From: jbodin at sbor.com (John Bodin)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 20:10:47 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App
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Thanks Jim.  I had customer put an XP box back in play for someone that constantly was having issues and I'll see how that goes over the next few days.  It may lean to the theory that a Windows Update(s) is causing the problem since XP hasn't had any updates in over 2 years.


I will check the suggestions you have listed out, as best as I can.


One question you may or may not know and I hope I can explain it clearly (doubt it).  I know that when you make a request for say All Salespeople working with the company for more than 10 years, the entire set of tables referenced in that query are brought from the database on the server to the local PC, where the FE then filters out all the appropriate results.  Access is not a true client/server product.  Given that, does it matter to the performance of the database if you were to have a lot of tables in the BE database that only get utilized every few weeks?  Would it be better to separate those out to a separate database and link to them?  Meaning:


MDB1 has tables A, B, C & D.  Tables A, B & C are used all the time for input and queries, etc.  Table D is an archive used for historical lookups which only happens every few weeks.  Assuming each table is 25% of the total mdb size, would moving Table D out to a new MDB2 and linking back to it provide any benefit in performance for the every day work that happens on Tables A, B & C?  The database would in theory be 3/4 the size it was with table D removed.  I'm thinking of how a code module on a local FE mdb would work, where if you had say 30 functions/procedures in ModuleA, but only a few were really used all the time, calling one of those functions loads the entire module and can effect performance.


Much appreciated.  John



John Bodin

sBOR Office Systems

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From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of James Button <jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk>
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 11:39 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

John,

Thanks for the reply -
Yes, does seem to be Access related rather than other processes -

You seem to have excluded be comms error handling, and most other processes.

Some possible sources of delays -
Server processes need more memory - is something else now using more of the
server memory
Database Locks within the facility
Index gone missing
Server level File locking ??
Some part of the processing has gone over a critical (to the memory management)
number of entries, or data file size
I have come across problems related to data keys being date based and the
randomising algorithm was grouping data causing locking problems, and then the
'fixed' version spreading data causing massively unexpected numbers of reads to
get the spread-out data.

Basically - all guesses at things to look at!

If you do identify a cause, please post the analysis !

JimB

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John
Bodin
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 1:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

Darryl/Jim, thanks for replies and suggestions.  Here's the reason I believe the
problem is with the jet engine on the local pc's OR a Windows Update, and not
the network.

Everything else runs stellar on the network.  Internet Explorer/Chrome no
issues.  VOIP phone system, no problem.  Quickbooks w/6 simultaneous users, no
problem.  Opening files over network shares, no problem.  I was hoping I'd have
the slow network performance on word/excel files over the network as I have seen
that multiple times and have been able to change settings on the server to
correct.  Unfortunately, works just fine.  All Windows 7 Pro 64 bit with a few
older XP boxes which have never and still never experience the speed problem.

I eliminated the new gig switch I put in a little while back by getting an older
model that is much less sophisticated, and no issues w/anything except the
random slowdowns with Access.  That goes for both the new and the older switch
so I have to rule that out.  And rule out the wiring as I have moved
workstations around to see if maybe a bad cable was in play, but problem still
randomly happens on original location and moved location.

The server does not have Access installed, just has the MDB's on a shared drive.
Copy of FE on local PC's C drive.  I have some C drives that are SSD's, but
doesn't seem to matter.

What the norm has been for the 20+ years this A2K system has been around is that
if you are the only one in (say on a Saturday), everything is lightning fast.
Screens open in a second or less.  When 2 or more people get in, then the
screens slow a bit, but usually no more than 2 seconds to open any form, very
acceptable.  No complaints, even when 15+ are in at the same time, some running
multiple instances of Access (one instance runs a Dispatch Board on one monitor,
the other instances runs the rest of the program, like Work Order Entry,
Purchase Orders, Quotes, etc.)  The other thing I always do before putting an
update into the FE is to create a blank MDB and import all the objects from the
FE I'm working on and compile the FE.  This is what they run, a clean FE. There
was phenomenon back on their server in Windows NT days where if I made a change
to a report or form say on one machine, which would decompile that FE, if a
second person connected to the app, they would no!
 tice a 2 - 3 minute delay in opening any form, every time they clicked on a
button or other form.  As soon as everyone got out, one person was left, that
person would experience very fast performance again.  Creating blank mdb and
importing all objects and compiling took care of this, so I keep doing this
slightly pain in the tail procedure whenever making updates to the system.

Finishing up, not too many months ago the speed issue creeped in.  It was around
the time of both the addition of the new switch and introduction of Dell 3040
Optiplex Micro machines.  I have addressed removing network switch, but that
didn't help.  I can't remove all of the 3040's because of problem with old XP
boxes and the version of QB people are running.  There are maybe 4 or 5 3040's
in play.  Quite possible a Windows Update came across which would only effect
the Win7 boxes, that's a high possibility in my book.

And not being able to explain this one, I've seen a person being the only one in
the system on a Saturday morning and the system hung for minutes at a time
(white screen) just opening the Access App.  Not even the typical places which
are several of the forms/procedures.  That had never happened ever, so a gremlin
has snuck in somewhere and I just do not know where.  I do not know what tool(s)
to utilize that may help determine the hangup (maybe something like Wireshark, I
do not know.)

Thanks for listening.

John


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From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Nov  7 17:53:44 2016
From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 23:53:44 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App
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Firstly, you should be aware that I have , effectively as far as Access is
concerned, been retired for many years.
So my posts are from old experiences - 2003 version, with some 'home' work at
2010.

Consequently, I hope those with recent experience managing databases will either
confirm, or correct my understanding(s).  

So, my thinking goes along the lines :- 
Moving some data to a second MDB (or other database file) will mean that the
file will be faster to compact and to access
Also the amount of real memory required to hold the data for that file will be
reduced.
Considering that when the OS handling of the file - cache allocated for that I/O
buffering - then the OS will start paging the data out to storage 
So - data from the file to buffer cache, 
Then from cache to pagefile so that more data can be read into the cache.
Then - when all the required data for the query has been read from the mdb? File
- 
Start swapping it with that that was put onto the pagefile 

So - if a query needs more memory than is available - throughput will slow to
maybe 25% 

(My home PC system now has a MFT that is too large to fit into the available RAM
- and it can be faster to copy 5MB files to another device (over USB2 links) and
then bulk copy the files back to the new location, rather than to suffer the
pagefile thrashing involved in just renaming the files in the main storage
partition. And that is system overhead - not I/O allocated to any running
application!)

Now - if the DBMS is running queries for multiple front ends, the OS managing
the file will need much more memory 

Now - That is something to consider -  the .mdb? file size vs the available
memory and the number of processes requiring data from that server storage.
-------
Now re moving some data to a separate file - 
It may not have any other effect than to make compression faster -
I suspect the effect will depend to a large extent on the structure of the data
in that file - if data for each table is in contiguous blocks -
 then splitting the database may speed up initial access, it may actually slow
things down after that initial file load - 
Much depends on the amount of RAM wanted by the OS to handle the data requests,
and the amount available for the service processes.
Also, I suspect that more than a few insertions will cause fragmentation of the
tables data over the file space - as in new stuff at the end!

If that is happening then splitting off the archive data may help - but will
that be a daily - weekly, or monthly task - 
and the database files will probably need compacting for that to have any
beneficial effect.
If not the initiation, then certainly the checking it worked! And no users left
the system (locked?) open to their use.

Re data processing being done at the FE - maybe some views - or canned scripts
could be useful in reducing the data transferred to the FE.
But that would probably involve YOU doing a lot of WORK and ONGOING SUPPORT 

Yeuck!



JimB 
   
  

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John
Bodin
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 8:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

Thanks Jim.  I had customer put an XP box back in play for someone that
constantly was having issues and I'll see how that goes over the next few days.
It may lean to the theory that a Windows Update(s) is causing the problem since
XP hasn't had any updates in over 2 years.


I will check the suggestions you have listed out, as best as I can.


One question you may or may not know and I hope I can explain it clearly (doubt
it).  I know that when you make a request for say All Salespeople working with
the company for more than 10 years, the entire set of tables referenced in that
query are brought from the database on the server to the local PC, where the FE
then filters out all the appropriate results.  Access is not a true
client/server product.  Given that, does it matter to the performance of the
database if you were to have a lot of tables in the BE database that only get
utilized every few weeks?  Would it be better to separate those out to a
separate database and link to them?  Meaning:


MDB1 has tables A, B, C & D.  Tables A, B & C are used all the time for input
and queries, etc.  Table D is an archive used for historical lookups which only
happens every few weeks.  Assuming each table is 25% of the total mdb size,
would moving Table D out to a new MDB2 and linking back to it provide any
benefit in performance for the every day work that happens on Tables A, B & C?
The database would in theory be 3/4 the size it was with table D removed.  I'm
thinking of how a code module on a local FE mdb would work, where if you had say
30 functions/procedures in ModuleA, but only a few were really used all the
time, calling one of those functions loads the entire module and can effect
performance.


Much appreciated.  John



John Bodin

sBOR Office Systems

jbodin at sbor.com<mailto:jbodin at sbor.com>




________________________________
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of James Button
<jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk>
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 11:39 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

John,

Thanks for the reply -
Yes, does seem to be Access related rather than other processes -

You seem to have excluded be comms error handling, and most other processes.

Some possible sources of delays -
Server processes need more memory - is something else now using more of the
server memory
Database Locks within the facility
Index gone missing
Server level File locking ??
Some part of the processing has gone over a critical (to the memory management)
number of entries, or data file size
I have come across problems related to data keys being date based and the
randomising algorithm was grouping data causing locking problems, and then the
'fixed' version spreading data causing massively unexpected numbers of reads to
get the spread-out data.

Basically - all guesses at things to look at!

If you do identify a cause, please post the analysis !

JimB

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John
Bodin
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 1:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

Darryl/Jim, thanks for replies and suggestions.  Here's the reason I believe the
problem is with the jet engine on the local pc's OR a Windows Update, and not
the network.

Everything else runs stellar on the network.  Internet Explorer/Chrome no
issues.  VOIP phone system, no problem.  Quickbooks w/6 simultaneous users, no
problem.  Opening files over network shares, no problem.  I was hoping I'd have
the slow network performance on word/excel files over the network as I have seen
that multiple times and have been able to change settings on the server to
correct.  Unfortunately, works just fine.  All Windows 7 Pro 64 bit with a few
older XP boxes which have never and still never experience the speed problem.

I eliminated the new gig switch I put in a little while back by getting an older
model that is much less sophisticated, and no issues w/anything except the
random slowdowns with Access.  That goes for both the new and the older switch
so I have to rule that out.  And rule out the wiring as I have moved
workstations around to see if maybe a bad cable was in play, but problem still
randomly happens on original location and moved location.

The server does not have Access installed, just has the MDB's on a shared drive.
Copy of FE on local PC's C drive.  I have some C drives that are SSD's, but
doesn't seem to matter.

What the norm has been for the 20+ years this A2K system has been around is that
if you are the only one in (say on a Saturday), everything is lightning fast.
Screens open in a second or less.  When 2 or more people get in, then the
screens slow a bit, but usually no more than 2 seconds to open any form, very
acceptable.  No complaints, even when 15+ are in at the same time, some running
multiple instances of Access (one instance runs a Dispatch Board on one monitor,
the other instances runs the rest of the program, like Work Order Entry,
Purchase Orders, Quotes, etc.)  The other thing I always do before putting an
update into the FE is to create a blank MDB and import all the objects from the
FE I'm working on and compile the FE.  This is what they run, a clean FE. There
was phenomenon back on their server in Windows NT days where if I made a change
to a report or form say on one machine, which would decompile that FE, if a
second person connected to the app, they would no!
 tice a 2 - 3 minute delay in opening any form, every time they clicked on a
button or other form.  As soon as everyone got out, one person was left, that
person would experience very fast performance again.  Creating blank mdb and
importing all objects and compiling took care of this, so I keep doing this
slightly pain in the tail procedure whenever making updates to the system.

Finishing up, not too many months ago the speed issue creeped in.  It was around
the time of both the addition of the new switch and introduction of Dell 3040
Optiplex Micro machines.  I have addressed removing network switch, but that
didn't help.  I can't remove all of the 3040's because of problem with old XP
boxes and the version of QB people are running.  There are maybe 4 or 5 3040's
in play.  Quite possible a Windows Update came across which would only effect
the Win7 boxes, that's a high possibility in my book.

And not being able to explain this one, I've seen a person being the only one in
the system on a Saturday morning and the system hung for minutes at a time
(white screen) just opening the Access App.  Not even the typical places which
are several of the forms/procedures.  That had never happened ever, so a gremlin
has snuck in somewhere and I just do not know where.  I do not know what tool(s)
to utilize that may help determine the hangup (maybe something like Wireshark, I
do not know.)

Thanks for listening.

John


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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Mon Nov  7 20:23:07 2016
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 02:23:07 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App
In-Reply-To: <DB6PR0601MB2198BA749ACCF48C922C37E5CAA70@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DB6PR0601MB2198BA749ACCF48C922C37E5CAA70@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
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" Indeed as you can do a straight upsize to Access 2016"

A bit of a side note, but I have been pleasantly surprised by Access 2016 - it is been very stable and well behaved.  Previously it seemed to be unreliable bastard child of MS Office updates, but this time Excel 2016 has been far more bothersome than the new Access 2016.   Great stuff.

Worth considering.

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 7 November, 2016 7:06 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

Hi John

It would be interesting if you could have the option to fire up a 3040 with a clean Windows 10 install, not an update from Windows 7, and check that out. I have nothing but good experiences with Windows 10.

Also, I must say running a 15-user application in Access 2000 is a bit, eh, exotic. Indeed as you can do a straight upsize to Access 2016 just by opening the mdb and run a convert to the accdb format. The changes needed will be minor if you have no fancy coding.

Not a direct answer to your question, I know, just some thoughts.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John Bodin
Sendt: 7. november 2016 02:45
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

Darryl/Jim, thanks for replies and suggestions.  Here's the reason I believe the problem is with the jet engine on the local pc's OR a Windows Update, and not the network.

Everything else runs stellar on the network.  Internet Explorer/Chrome no issues.  VOIP phone system, no problem.  Quickbooks w/6 simultaneous users, no problem.  Opening files over network shares, no problem.  I was hoping I'd have the slow network performance on word/excel files over the network as I have seen that multiple times and have been able to change settings on the server to correct.  Unfortunately, works just fine.  All Windows 7 Pro 64 bit with a few older XP boxes which have never and still never experience the speed problem.

I eliminated the new gig switch I put in a little while back by getting an older model that is much less sophisticated, and no issues w/anything except the random slowdowns with Access.  That goes for both the new and the older switch so I have to rule that out.  And rule out the wiring as I have moved workstations around to see if maybe a bad cable was in play, but problem still randomly happens on original location and moved location.

The server does not have Access installed, just has the MDB's on a shared drive.  Copy of FE on local PC's C drive.  I have some C drives that are SSD's, but doesn't seem to matter.

What the norm has been for the 20+ years this A2K system has been around is that if you are the only one in (say on a Saturday), everything is lightning fast.  Screens open in a second or less.  When 2 or more people get in, then the screens slow a bit, but usually no more than 2 seconds to open any form, very acceptable.  No complaints, even when 15+ are in at the same time, some running multiple instances of Access (one instance runs a Dispatch Board on one monitor, the other instances runs the rest of the program, like Work Order Entry, Purchase Orders, Quotes, etc.)  The other thing I always do before putting an update into the FE is to create a blank MDB and import all the objects from the FE I'm working on and compile the FE.  This is what they run, a clean FE. There was phenomenon back on their server in Windows NT days where if I made a change to a report or form say on one machine, which would decompile that FE, if a second person connected to the app, they would no!
 tice a 2 - 3 minute delay in opening any form, every time they clicked on a button or other form.  As soon as everyone got out, one person was left, that person would experience very fast performance again.  Creating blank mdb and importing all objects and compiling took care of this, so I keep doing this slightly pain in the tail procedure whenever making updates to the system.

Finishing up, not too many months ago the speed issue creeped in.  It was around the time of both the addition of the new switch and introduction of Dell 3040 Optiplex Micro machines.  I have addressed removing network switch, but that didn't help.  I can't remove all of the 3040's because of problem with old XP boxes and the version of QB people are running.  There are maybe 4 or 5 3040's in play.  Quite possible a Windows Update came across which would only effect the Win7 boxes, that's a high possibility in my book.

And not being able to explain this one, I've seen a person being the only one in the system on a Saturday morning and the system hung for minutes at a time (white screen) just opening the Access App.  Not even the typical places which are several of the forms/procedures.  That had never happened ever, so a gremlin has snuck in somewhere and I just do not know where.  I do not know what tool(s) to utilize that may help determine the hangup (maybe something like Wireshark, I do not know.)

Thanks for listening.

John 

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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Mon Nov  7 21:08:00 2016
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 03:08:00 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App
In-Reply-To: <DB6PR0601MB2198DC9997E364BF20D2251BCAA70@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DB6PR0601MB2198DC9997E364BF20D2251BCAA70@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
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" Also, it can be adjusted to your liking in the Enterprise version; the Home edition is not that flexible."

The registry hack works on all versions of Windows 10, which is why I like it.  It gives control back to the user to download and install the updates when it suits them, rather than MS forcing it upon you.

There are times and places where you really don't want to be waiting for a OS update to download and install.

Cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 8 November, 2016 3:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

Hi John and Darryl

In my experience, Windows Update has been vastly improved from Win7 to Win8.x and indeed to Win10.
It now runs smoothly in the background.

Also, it can be adjusted to your liking in the Enterprise version; the Home edition is not that flexible.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af James Button
Sendt: 7. november 2016 17:27
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

Darryl, (and anybody else interested)

Re slowdown in win-10 

I noted that:
Soon after win-10 came to our PC's the win-7 update process got very slow And - for PC's with less than 1GB memory the update went from a few minutes - maybe up to 30 for a check of what to get, to several hours, maybe a day.
That can be helped by turning off ALL concurrently running processes - including performance monitor, and anti-virus checking.
The new update process seemed to want to read all of the files on the OS partition.

I used the profile facility in 10-pro to set it to ask about updates - and when that constraint seemed to get turned off by a fix, turned it back on.
I was told that the anniversary version would remove the profile facility - but, while I may not be able to set it anymore ( haven't tried) it still seems to be asking about fixes

Problem seems to be that while earlier versions of Defender went and got the updates themselves, and then windows update could be invoked for the rest of the fixes, The constraint setting seems to also stop defender automatically getting the latest definitions, and it needs prompting.
Then - you have to wait for that to finish the update (using the update engine) before you can get Windows Update to try to use the update engine

So - win-7 - I download the fix sets and do an offline update - (most restarts are without asking for confirmation - most user interaction seems to be - "accept the licence for the new version" a much faster process than having to use the MS process to access and download individual fixes.
Could be that a large proportion of the "got that block, next block please requests" from the PC are timing out and having to be re-sent again, and again and..
So keeping the PC busy waiting for data and timeouts rather than actual data processing.

But - them's just my guesses based on what I have managed to get details of, and work out!

JimB  

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Nov  8 00:50:29 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 06:50:29 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App
Message-ID: <DB6PR0601MB2198651BA1CD8C2074CF4C52CAA60@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Darryl

OK. What I mentioned was regarding the UI.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Darryl Collins
Sendt: 8. november 2016 04:08
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

" Also, it can be adjusted to your liking in the Enterprise version; the Home edition is not that flexible."

The registry hack works on all versions of Windows 10, which is why I like it.  It gives control back to the user to download and install the updates when it suits them, rather than MS forcing it upon you.

There are times and places where you really don't want to be waiting for a OS update to download and install.

Cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 8 November, 2016 3:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

Hi John and Darryl

In my experience, Windows Update has been vastly improved from Win7 to Win8.x and indeed to Win10.
It now runs smoothly in the background.

Also, it can be adjusted to your liking in the Enterprise version; the Home edition is not that flexible.

/gustav 


From pcs.accessd at gmail.com  Tue Nov  8 01:05:34 2016
From: pcs.accessd at gmail.com (Borge Hansen)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 15:05:34 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Windows on a Mac
In-Reply-To: <SYXPR01MB107175C426510AB398BC4DE0FCA00@SYXPR01MB1071.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
References: <027901d234b5$33928150$9ab783f0$@bchacc.com>
	<CAFa8NkhYCHmYUK9jg46ym4q4fL=BB335sLiN7yxB3DPo6FD_Bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<SYXPR01MB107175C426510AB398BC4DE0FCA00@SYXPR01MB1071.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
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Gold Standard, I'm not sure - but I use VMWare Fusion on a Macbook Pro 16Gb
Ram.
I do all Office app work except for Access on Office 2011 for Mac.
I use Microsoft Remote Desktop to remote into clients' Terminal Server.
I run two Virtual Machines concurrently: A Windows 8.1 with Office 2010 and
a Windows 7 with SQL 2014 Express.
This way I can emulate the Access FE - SQL Backend on the clients'
Cloudserver (TS for Access Frontends and separate server for SQL Db) and
makes it very easy to port an Access Frontend app update version to the
production system on a Terminal Server.
I've had this setup for the past five years and have had no problems with
VMWare Fusion....

/borge

On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 4:09 AM, Darryl Collins <
darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> This has been my (limited) experience too.  Bootcamp is native (and free)
> but Parallels is more useful, flexible and powerful.   Make sure you give
> yourself enough disk space for both OS's when you set it up.
>
> Please don't over weight this comment.  I haven't had much to do with
> Macs,  but the few times I have had to set this up for people Parallels has
> worked well.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Doug Steele
> Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2016 3:59 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows on a Mac
>
> I use both Parallels and VMWare Fusion.  They work well but Parallels
> would be my choice as it is faster to access files outside the VM. Fusion
> seems to lose the connection to the 'external' file system whenever it
> isn't being accessed, and takes a couple of seconds to get it back.
>
> I used to use Bootcamp but I prefer a VM where I can switch back and forth
> between OSX and Windows.
>
> Doug
>
> On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 8:00 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> wrote:
>
> > What's the current gold standard for running Windows on a Mac?
> >
> >
> >
> > MTIA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> >
> > Beach Access Software
> >
> > 760-683-5777
> >
> >  <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com
> >
> >  <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com
> >
> > Skype: rocky.smolin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Nov  8 01:08:17 2016
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 07:08:17 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App
In-Reply-To: <DB6PR0601MB2198651BA1CD8C2074CF4C52CAA60@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
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Aaaah, yes - in that case your options in the home edition are, ummm, none! :)



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, 8 November 2016 5:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

Hi Darryl

OK. What I mentioned was regarding the UI.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Darryl Collins
Sendt: 8. november 2016 04:08
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

" Also, it can be adjusted to your liking in the Enterprise version; the Home edition is not that flexible."

The registry hack works on all versions of Windows 10, which is why I like it.  It gives control back to the user to download and install the updates when it suits them, rather than MS forcing it upon you.

There are times and places where you really don't want to be waiting for a OS update to download and install.

Cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 8 November, 2016 3:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

Hi John and Darryl

In my experience, Windows Update has been vastly improved from Win7 to Win8.x and indeed to Win10.
It now runs smoothly in the background.

Also, it can be adjusted to your liking in the Enterprise version; the Home edition is not that flexible.

/gustav 

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From pcs.accessd at gmail.com  Tue Nov  8 02:28:24 2016
From: pcs.accessd at gmail.com (Borge Hansen)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 16:28:24 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Sayonara
In-Reply-To: <457541634.106037277.1476296500550.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
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Dear Arthur,
I've been subscribing to the various lists on databaseadvisors.com for the
past many years, and
I've had the benefit and blessings of being helped and assisted by you and
many of the other 'hardcore' people on these lists.

In fact whenever I've had a problem with Access or SQL Db I have always
turned to databaseadvisors as a source of authority.

Your inputs have always stood out for me for a variety of reasons ...
Gustav expressed it very well.

In fact, I share all the sentiments and good wishes that have poured forth
in response to your post and wish you the very best in your continued
journey.

I pause and reflect on what Robert shared with you - and the rest of us:

Thank You! Thank you for the many times you reached out to help me and my
fellow developers around the world. Thank you for the courage to say
goodbye, you will be missed.  We see you off first to the land ahead, as we
are all not far behind.

I'll leave you with this poem:

God never promised a life without pain,
Laughter without tears or sun without rain.
But He did promise strength for the day,
Comfort for the tears and the light for the way,
And for all who believe In His Heaven above
He rewards their faith In His everlasting love.

(unknown)

Sayonara! Arthur







On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 2:21 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Someone actually phoned to tell me of your situation. You are known in the
> extended developers community.
>
> This is terrible and you will be very much missed. I hope you are in no
> pain.
>
> Send updates as long as you can.
>
> Peace be with you.
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>, "Off Topic" <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>,
> "Discussion concerning MS SQL Server" <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 9, 2016 2:08:26 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Sayonara
>
> I have less than 60 days to live, according to the physicians at my
> hospital.I just want to say Thanks to you all, for your contributions not
> only to me but also this worldwide community that has envigrated me and
> made me feel that life was worth living.
>
> I had a good trip, and now it''s over, within days. Goodbye, my friends. I
> don't know how to tell you how much you enhanced my life, but you did. It's
> time to say goodbye, and I love you all, and have profited from you all.
> Thank you for enhancing my life. Might be a few more days, but this needed
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Nov  8 06:40:02 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 12:40:02 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App
Message-ID: <DB6PR0601MB219839A625FB518A38459292CAA60@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi John

At Wikipedia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Access

I noticed this:

<quote>
In July 2011, Microsoft acknowledged an intermittent query performance problem with all versions of Access and Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2 due to the nature of resource management being vastly different in newer operating systems.[35] This issue severely affects query performance on both Access 2003 and earlier with the Jet Database Engine code, as well as Access 2007 and later with the Access Database Engine (ACE).[35] Microsoft has issued hotfixes KB2553029 for Access 2007 and KB2553116 for Access 2010, but will not fix the issue with Jet 4.0 as it is out of mainstream support.[35]
</quote>

The reference 35 is here:

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/accessdev/thread/86e59bc0-3524-45be-89d0-3528cfea842b

If that is so (the last sentence), it may be the full explanation for your trouble - and you seem to be hosed.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
Sendt: 7. november 2016 17:44
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

Hi John and Darryl

In my experience, Windows Update has been vastly improved from Win7 to Win8.x and indeed to Win10.
It now runs smoothly in the background.

Also, it can be adjusted to your liking in the Enterprise version; the Home edition is not that flexible.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af James Button
Sendt: 7. november 2016 17:27
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

Darryl, (and anybody else interested)

Re slowdown in win-10 

I noted that:
Soon after win-10 came to our PC's the win-7 update process got very slow And - for PC's with less than 1GB memory the update went from a few minutes - maybe up to 30 for a check of what to get, to several hours, maybe a day.
That can be helped by turning off ALL concurrently running processes - including performance monitor, and anti-virus checking.
The new update process seemed to want to read all of the files on the OS partition.

I used the profile facility in 10-pro to set it to ask about updates - and when that constraint seemed to get turned off by a fix, turned it back on.
I was told that the anniversary version would remove the profile facility - but, while I may not be able to set it anymore ( haven't tried) it still seems to be asking about fixes

Problem seems to be that while earlier versions of Defender went and got the updates themselves, and then windows update could be invoked for the rest of the fixes, The constraint setting seems to also stop defender automatically getting the latest definitions, and it needs prompting.
Then - you have to wait for that to finish the update (using the update engine) before you can get Windows Update to try to use the update engine

So - win-7 - I download the fix sets and do an offline update - (most restarts are without asking for confirmation - most user interaction seems to be - "accept the licence for the new version" a much faster process than having to use the MS process to access and download individual fixes.
Could be that a large proportion of the "got that block, next block please requests" from the PC are timing out and having to be re-sent again, and again and..
So keeping the PC busy waiting for data and timeouts rather than actual data processing.

But - them's just my guesses based on what I have managed to get details of, and work out!

JimB  


From pcs.accessd at gmail.com  Tue Nov  8 08:06:46 2016
From: pcs.accessd at gmail.com (Borge Hansen)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 22:06:46 +0800
Subject: [AccessD]  Cross Posted - Moving a Access Update Query to MS SQL
Message-ID: <CAF+SPM9PFXXjSWFA3cgDRQw8V2cD2Kdh-=EEvfbCqdKfTnjM2w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

MS Access 2010
SQL 2014 Express

I have trouble in moving a simple Access update query to MS SQL Server
syntax

To exemplify: two tables:

tblMerged
UFN  (PK, Number / Integer)
MergedData (Memo)

Sample Data:
10,
20,
30


tblSource
ID (PK, Number / Integer)
UFN (FK, Number / Integer)
SourceData (Text, 255)
SelectFlag (Boolean)

Sample Data:
ID    UFN    SourceData    SelectFlag
15    10    10_Text_1    False
14    10    10_Text_2    False
3    10    10_Text_3    False
40    20    20_Text_1    False
39    20    20_Text_2    False
11    20    20_Text_3    False
70    30    30_Text_1    False
68    30    30_Text_2    False
65    30    30_Text_3    False
101    10    10_Text_0    False
102    20    20_Text_0    False
103    30    30_Text_0    False


The Update Query looks like this:

UPDATE tblMerged AS m
INNER JOIN tblSource AS s ON m.UFN = s.UFN
SET m.MergedData =
IIf(Len([m].[MergedData])>0,
    [m].[MergedData] & Chr(13) & Chr(10) & [s].[SourceData] & "  >>A  " &
"  >>B  " & "  >>C  ",
    [s].[SourceData] & "  >>A  " & "  >>B  " & "  >>C  "),
s.SelectFlag = True
WHERE (((s.SelectFlag)=False));


The resulting data set in tblMerged looks like:
UFN    MergedData
10    "10_Text_1  >>A    >>B    >>C
         10_Text_2  >>A    >>B    >>C
         10_Text_3  >>A    >>B    >>C
         10_Text_0  >>A    >>B    >>C  "
20    "20_Text_1  >>A    >>B    >>C
         20_Text_2  >>A    >>B    >>C
         20_Text_3  >>A    >>B    >>C
         20_Text_0  >>A    >>B    >>C  "
30    "30_Text_1  >>A    >>B    >>C
         30_Text_2  >>A    >>B    >>C
         30_Text_3  >>A    >>B    >>C
         30_Text_0  >>A    >>B    >>C  "


So, for each record in tblMerged the query iterates over all inner-joined
records in tblSource and neatly concatenates all SourceData text strings
with a linefeed/linebreak between each text string
AND it updates the second table tblSource as well by setting SelectFlag to
True ....

(As an aside: no matter how I set the  sort index of the tblSource.ID - or
use a query as the second object in the update query - a query on tblSource
with a certain sort order on the records - the resulting text strings in
MergedData are always read in and merged in the order the records were
added.I would have expected same order as the PK index order of
tblSource.ID)


The question I am seeking your help with is How do we do this as a stored
procedure in MS SQL : concatenate and merge in the tblMerged and update the
SelectFlag in tblSource using one update query ??

I created the update query in a stored procedure in MS SQL as:

UPDATE dbo.tblMerged
SET [MergedData] =
IIF((LEN(cast([MergedData] as nvarchar(max))))> 0 ,
    CONCAT(cast([MergedData] as nvarchar(max)) , char(13), char(10) ,
cs.SourceData, '  >>A  ' ,  '  >>B  ' ,  '  >>C  '),
    CONCAT([cs].[SourceData] , '  >>A  ' , '  >>B  ' , '  >>C  '))
FROM dbo.tblMerged csm
JOIN tblSource AS cs ON csm.UFN = cs.UFN
;


The update query appears to only act on one record from tblSource
- and we are not able to update the SelectFlag - (hence no WHERE
(((s.SelectFlag)=0)) clause in the MS SQL )

The result of the update query on tblMerged:

UFN    MergedData
10    10_Text_2  >>A    >>B    >>C
20    20_Text_0  >>A    >>B    >>C
30    30_Text_3  >>A    >>B    >>C


A simple thing to do in Access SQL/Query - in MS SQL Server ???

Any help appreciated...

/borge

From bandjkr at roadrunner.com  Tue Nov  8 08:19:12 2016
From: bandjkr at roadrunner.com (Banbjkr@roadrunner.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 09:19:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Test
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From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 08:42:16 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Test
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From jbodin at sbor.com  Tue Nov  8 08:52:09 2016
From: jbodin at sbor.com (John Bodin)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 14:52:09 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App
In-Reply-To: <DB6PR0601MB219839A625FB518A38459292CAA60@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DB6PR0601MB219839A625FB518A38459292CAA60@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CY1PR0401MB1020360A49901BB27BDDAEB4BDA60@CY1PR0401MB1020.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Hmmm, great find Gustav.


I wonder if my system worked fine when I only had a few Win7 boxes in play and mostly XP boxes, but now that the majority are Win7, this magnifies the issue and brings it to light.  Ug!


Just had a thought.  If I can confirm that the re-introduction of an XP box yesterday to a user who was having tons of lag issues with two different Win7 boxes, worked w/o issue yesterday and so far today, my thought would be to install XP Mode on the Win7 Computers, install Access and run the app that way.  I'd have to do a few other installs as well (like PDF995, Chrome which will be limited in how it works, etc.) that I'd have to do in the XP vm, but I think that would work.  What do you think?


Thanks again.   Appreciate it.


John






John Bodin

sBOR Office Systems

jbodin at sbor.com<mailto:jbodin at sbor.com>




________________________________
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2016 7:40 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

Hi John

At Wikipedia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Access

I noticed this:

<quote>
In July 2011, Microsoft acknowledged an intermittent query performance problem with all versions of Access and Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2 due to the nature of resource management being vastly different in newer operating systems.[35] This issue severely affects query performance on both Access 2003 and earlier with the Jet Database Engine code, as well as Access 2007 and later with the Access Database Engine (ACE).[35] Microsoft has issued hotfixes KB2553029 for Access 2007 and KB2553116 for Access 2010, but will not fix the issue with Jet 4.0 as it is out of mainstream support.[35]
</quote>

The reference 35 is here:

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/accessdev/thread/86e59bc0-3524-45be-89d0-3528cfea842b

If that is so (the last sentence), it may be the full explanation for your trouble - and you seem to be hosed.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
Sendt: 7. november 2016 17:44
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

Hi John and Darryl

In my experience, Windows Update has been vastly improved from Win7 to Win8.x and indeed to Win10.
It now runs smoothly in the background.

Also, it can be adjusted to your liking in the Enterprise version; the Home edition is not that flexible.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af James Button
Sendt: 7. november 2016 17:27
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

Darryl, (and anybody else interested)

Re slowdown in win-10

I noted that:
Soon after win-10 came to our PC's the win-7 update process got very slow And - for PC's with less than 1GB memory the update went from a few minutes - maybe up to 30 for a check of what to get, to several hours, maybe a day.
That can be helped by turning off ALL concurrently running processes - including performance monitor, and anti-virus checking.
The new update process seemed to want to read all of the files on the OS partition.

I used the profile facility in 10-pro to set it to ask about updates - and when that constraint seemed to get turned off by a fix, turned it back on.
I was told that the anniversary version would remove the profile facility - but, while I may not be able to set it anymore ( haven't tried) it still seems to be asking about fixes

Problem seems to be that while earlier versions of Defender went and got the updates themselves, and then windows update could be invoked for the rest of the fixes, The constraint setting seems to also stop defender automatically getting the latest definitions, and it needs prompting.
Then - you have to wait for that to finish the update (using the update engine) before you can get Windows Update to try to use the update engine

So - win-7 - I download the fix sets and do an offline update - (most restarts are without asking for confirmation - most user interaction seems to be - "accept the licence for the new version" a much faster process than having to use the MS process to access and download individual fixes.
Could be that a large proportion of the "got that block, next block please requests" from the PC are timing out and having to be re-sent again, and again and..
So keeping the PC busy waiting for data and timeouts rather than actual data processing.

But - them's just my guesses based on what I have managed to get details of, and work out!

JimB

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Nov  8 09:08:16 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 15:08:16 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App
Message-ID: <DB6PR0601MB219843E370F1745CAD89D065CAA60@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi John

That should work, but don't forget to map drives from within the VM. Don't use internally carried-over drives from the host.

Still, I regard this as a dead end, for emergency use only.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John Bodin
Sendt: 8. november 2016 15:52
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

Hmmm, great find Gustav.


I wonder if my system worked fine when I only had a few Win7 boxes in play and mostly XP boxes, but now that the majority are Win7, this magnifies the issue and brings it to light.  Ug!


Just had a thought.  If I can confirm that the re-introduction of an XP box yesterday to a user who was having tons of lag issues with two different Win7 boxes, worked w/o issue yesterday and so far today, my thought would be to install XP Mode on the Win7 Computers, install Access and run the app that way.  I'd have to do a few other installs as well (like PDF995, Chrome which will be limited in how it works, etc.) that I'd have to do in the XP vm, but I think that would work.  What do you think?


Thanks again.   Appreciate it.


John


John Bodin

sBOR Office Systems

jbodin at sbor.com<mailto:jbodin at sbor.com>

________________________________
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2016 7:40 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

Hi John

At Wikipedia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Access

I noticed this:

<quote>
In July 2011, Microsoft acknowledged an intermittent query performance problem with all versions of Access and Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2 due to the nature of resource management being vastly different in newer operating systems.[35] This issue severely affects query performance on both Access 2003 and earlier with the Jet Database Engine code, as well as Access 2007 and later with the Access Database Engine (ACE).[35] Microsoft has issued hotfixes KB2553029 for Access 2007 and KB2553116 for Access 2010, but will not fix the issue with Jet 4.0 as it is out of mainstream support.[35] </quote>

The reference 35 is here:

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/accessdev/thread/86e59bc0-3524-45be-89d0-3528cfea842b

If that is so (the last sentence), it may be the full explanation for your trouble - and you seem to be hosed.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
Sendt: 7. november 2016 17:44
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

Hi John and Darryl

In my experience, Windows Update has been vastly improved from Win7 to Win8.x and indeed to Win10.
It now runs smoothly in the background.

Also, it can be adjusted to your liking in the Enterprise version; the Home edition is not that flexible.

/gustav 


From jbodin at sbor.com  Tue Nov  8 09:19:08 2016
From: jbodin at sbor.com (John Bodin)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 15:19:08 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App
In-Reply-To: <DB6PR0601MB219843E370F1745CAD89D065CAA60@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DB6PR0601MB219843E370F1745CAD89D065CAA60@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
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Agreed on the dead end.  I have to propose upgrading to a newer(est) version of Access and ultimately SQL Server on the back end.  But there is testing that would need to be done no matter if we go with any version 2010 and higher on both the FE and BE, never mind SQL Server.  System has been pretty rock solid over the past 15 years, a few corruptions here and there, except for this most recent speed issue.


I did just check with the user who got his XP machine back and he worked just fine all yesterday and so far today.  He's a happy camper even though he went back in time.  This pretty much confirms that XP is really fine so it does give me both options - short-term XP Mode, longer term upgrade to newer Access and eventually SQL Server.  It will also open up the discussion for an existing retail industry solution so I will have to see how that conversation goes.






John Bodin

sBOR Office Systems

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________________________________
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2016 10:08 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

Hi John

That should work, but don't forget to map drives from within the VM. Don't use internally carried-over drives from the host.

Still, I regard this as a dead end, for emergency use only.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John Bodin
Sendt: 8. november 2016 15:52
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

Hmmm, great find Gustav.


I wonder if my system worked fine when I only had a few Win7 boxes in play and mostly XP boxes, but now that the majority are Win7, this magnifies the issue and brings it to light.  Ug!


Just had a thought.  If I can confirm that the re-introduction of an XP box yesterday to a user who was having tons of lag issues with two different Win7 boxes, worked w/o issue yesterday and so far today, my thought would be to install XP Mode on the Win7 Computers, install Access and run the app that way.  I'd have to do a few other installs as well (like PDF995, Chrome which will be limited in how it works, etc.) that I'd have to do in the XP vm, but I think that would work.  What do you think?


Thanks again.   Appreciate it.


John


John Bodin

sBOR Office Systems

jbodin at sbor.com<mailto:jbodin at sbor.com>

________________________________
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2016 7:40 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

Hi John

At Wikipedia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Access

I noticed this:

<quote>
In July 2011, Microsoft acknowledged an intermittent query performance problem with all versions of Access and Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2 due to the nature of resource management being vastly different in newer operating systems.[35] This issue severely affects query performance on both Access 2003 and earlier with the Jet Database Engine code, as well as Access 2007 and later with the Access Database Engine (ACE).[35] Microsoft has issued hotfixes KB2553029 for Access 2007 and KB2553116 for Access 2010, but will not fix the issue with Jet 4.0 as it is out of mainstream support.[35] </quote>

The reference 35 is here:

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/accessdev/thread/86e59bc0-3524-45be-89d0-3528cfea842b

If that is so (the last sentence), it may be the full explanation for your trouble - and you seem to be hosed.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
Sendt: 7. november 2016 17:44
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Speed Issues on network just with Access App

Hi John and Darryl

In my experience, Windows Update has been vastly improved from Win7 to Win8.x and indeed to Win10.
It now runs smoothly in the background.

Also, it can be adjusted to your liking in the Enterprise version; the Home edition is not that flexible.

/gustav

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Nov  8 19:18:48 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 17:18:48 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working! (Working Solution)
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	<BN3PR19MB0497128049A5DF618A852579F6A00@BN3PR19MB0497.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
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All:

I put the Pause function in and it seemed to work on my machine.  But still
have the problem at the client site. It didn't work here at .1 seconds, but
at 1 second it did.

That same dll seems to be in the error log.  But I don't find anything on
the internets about it. 

Any more ideas?

TIA

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Waters
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 1:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working! (Working Solution)

Hi Rocky,

Hi Rocky,

I think Jim is correct.

First, save this as a Public Sub.
'---------------------
Public Sub Pause(Optional sngNumberOfSeconds As Single = 0.1)
    On Error GoTo EH

    '-- Purpose:  This will 'pause' running code so that Access can get
other things done

    Dim sngPauseTime As Single
    Dim sngStart As Single

    If sngNumberOfSeconds = 0 Then Exit Sub

    sngPauseTime = sngNumberOfSeconds
    sngStart = Timer
    Do While Timer < sngStart + sngPauseTime
        DoEvents
    Loop

EH:
    Exit Sub

End Sub
'--------------------------

Next, replace the 2nd DoEvents with Call Pause.  I do this in my code but I
didn't think you would need it.

By default, Pause will run a loop of DoEvents for 1/10 of a second.

Again, Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 1:49 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working! (Working Solution)

Dan, Et Al:

Here's a clue, maybe.  That code didn't work - got the "Access has stopped
working" message.  BUT!

When I put a breakpoint into the code before the open query and single
stepped through it (F8), it worked!

So it would seem to be some kind of timing issue?

I did put the DoEvents in like you said:

DoCmd.OpenQuery "qryActiveUser"
DoEvents
DoCmd.OpenReport "rptRentalAgreement", acPreview, , , acHidden DoEvents
DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", acFormatPDF,
strRAPDFName, False  ', "", acExportQualityPrint DoEvents 'DoCmd.OutputTo
acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)", strRAPDFName,
False ', "", acExportQualityPrint DoCmd.Close acReport,
"rptRentalAgreement", acSaveNo DoCmd.Close acQuery, "qryActiveUser"

Any clue here?

TIA

Rocky


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Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 9:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working! (Working Solution)

Hi Rocky,

This is indeed a bug which has been around for years.  This is how I handle
it in my system.

'----------------------------

            '-- To resolve a 2046 bug in Access (see KB 244695) a software
object must be opened before the 'OutputTo' method is called.

            '-- Open any read-only query (this opens a database window
referred to in KB 244695)
            DoCmd.OpenQuery "qryGlobalErrors"

            '-- Output report from the file it's in
            If varObjectType = acReport Then

                DoEvents
                DoCmd.OpenReport stgObjectName, acViewPreview, , , acHidden

                DoEvents
                DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, stgObjectName, acFormatPDF,
stgAccessObjectPath

                DoEvents
                DoCmd.Close acReport, stgObjectName, acSaveNo

            Else

                DoEvents
                DoCmd.OutputTo varObjectType, stgObjectName,
varOutputFormat, stgAccessObjectPath

            End If

            '-- Close the read-only query
            DoCmd.Close acQuery, "qryGlobalErrors"

'----------------------------

Good Luck!
Dan

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Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 5:11 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!


 Would be good to get the fault from the event log and then see if it is the
same in each case.

  If it is, then your probably tripping over a bug.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
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Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 01:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

I'll try that tomorrow. Un-commenting the last two parameters of the
OutputTo didn't change the result.  Still barfed.  

I assume then after the output to you close the hidden report?

Thx

R

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Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 10:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'List'; 'Off Topic'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

Hi Rocky,

I had a similar situation.  I read somewhere that opening the report hidden
first solves the problem

DoCmd.OpenReport " rptRentalAgreement ", acPreview, , , acHidden
DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)",
strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint


I also noticed in the second line above (copied from your code) you have a '
after False - this may cause a problem as well.

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand



-----Original Message-----
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Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2016 5:05 p.m.
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

Dear List(s):

 

I am running an accdb in A2010.  I want to convert a report to a pdf and
attach it to an email.  This works perfectly on my machine.  

 

At the client site it does not. I spent two hours there today trying
everything I could think of -  checking Microsoft update for patches fixes,
updates, etc., decompiling, compact and repair, lacing the code with
DoEvents, running as administrator - nothing worked.  I did track the
problematic line of code.  It is the line with 

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport

 

And Access Stopped Working on this line of code almost every time.  I say
almost because a couple of times it ran - generated both pdfs and popped up
the email with the two report pdfs attached!  Which is why I tried the
DoEvents.  But it barfed pretty consistently on that first DoCmd.OutputTo
acOutputReport,

 

Here's the code:

 

strFrontEndPath = db.Name

Do While Right(strFrontEndPath, 1) <> "\"

    strFrontEndPath = Left(strFrontEndPath, Len(strFrontEndPath) - 1)

Loop

strRAPDFName = strFrontEndPath & "RentalAgreement-" _

    & Me.cboNameAndAddress.Column(1) & "-" _

    & Me.fldRAHOrderNumber & ".pdf"

strRAPDFName = Replace(strRAPDFName, "*", "")

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)",
strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint

'Call ConvertReportToPDF("rptRentalAgreement", , strRAPDFName, , False)

 

strCCPPDFName = strFrontEndPath & "CreditCardPermission-" _

    & Me.cboNameAndAddress.Column(1) & "-" _

    & Me.fldRAHOrderNumber & ".pdf"

strCCPPDFName = Replace(strCCPPDFName, "*", "")

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptCreditCardPermissionForEmail",
"PDFFormat(*.pdf)", strCCPPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint

'Call ConvertReportToPDF("rptCreditCardPermissionForEmail", , strCCPPDFName,
, False)

 

 

You can see the previous legacy code which worked for a long time in A2003 -
the calls to ConvertToPDF - which I have commented out.  That doesn't work
anymore.  

 

So I'm really stumped.  Has anyone had this problem and found a solution?
Two martinis to the genius who can post an effective fix.

 

MTIA

 

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

 <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com

 <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com

Skype: rocky.smolin

 

 

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Nov  8 19:49:08 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 17:49:08 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!
In-Reply-To: <CAFa8NkihOUYQBa5=eW9sR5VcUH_PmKDraih==Od_ERkmUQBbEQ@mail.gmail.com>
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The dll msvcr90.dll, which may be the dll causing the problem, appears in 12
places on my system and in 6 different versions.

Is there some way to determine which of the 12 is running when the 'stopped
working' message appears?

TIA

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Doug Steele
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 9:39 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Jim:
>
> I just got the error on my box - twice.  The event logs read:
>

FWIW: 0xc0000417 = STATUS_INVALID_CRUNTIME_PARAMETER = An invalid parameter
was passed to a C runtime function.

This answer on StackOverflow may help (problem with having VS2008 runtime
installed on the user computer, not VS2010??)

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2993560/c-cli-missing-msvcr90-dll
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From df.waters at outlook.com  Tue Nov  8 19:54:02 2016
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 01:54:02 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working! (Working Solution)
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Hi Rocky,

Glad to hear that something is working!

I do have this working at 3 customers for many years at 0.1 seconds w/o any errors.  1 second doesn't affect a user much but I'd still try 0.5 seconds.  Hope that works!

Dan

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Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 19:19
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working! (Working Solution)

All:

I put the Pause function in and it seemed to work on my machine.  But still have the problem at the client site. It didn't work here at .1 seconds, but at 1 second it did.

That same dll seems to be in the error log.  But I don't find anything on the internets about it. 

Any more ideas?

TIA

Rocky


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Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 1:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working! (Working Solution)

Hi Rocky,

Hi Rocky,

I think Jim is correct.

First, save this as a Public Sub.
'---------------------
Public Sub Pause(Optional sngNumberOfSeconds As Single = 0.1)
    On Error GoTo EH

    '-- Purpose:  This will 'pause' running code so that Access can get other things done

    Dim sngPauseTime As Single
    Dim sngStart As Single

    If sngNumberOfSeconds = 0 Then Exit Sub

    sngPauseTime = sngNumberOfSeconds
    sngStart = Timer
    Do While Timer < sngStart + sngPauseTime
        DoEvents
    Loop

EH:
    Exit Sub

End Sub
'--------------------------

Next, replace the 2nd DoEvents with Call Pause.  I do this in my code but I didn't think you would need it.

By default, Pause will run a loop of DoEvents for 1/10 of a second.

Again, Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 1:49 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working! (Working Solution)

Dan, Et Al:

Here's a clue, maybe.  That code didn't work - got the "Access has stopped working" message.  BUT!

When I put a breakpoint into the code before the open query and single stepped through it (F8), it worked!

So it would seem to be some kind of timing issue?

I did put the DoEvents in like you said:

DoCmd.OpenQuery "qryActiveUser"
DoEvents
DoCmd.OpenReport "rptRentalAgreement", acPreview, , , acHidden DoEvents DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", acFormatPDF, strRAPDFName, False  ', "", acExportQualityPrint DoEvents 'DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)", strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint DoCmd.Close acReport, "rptRentalAgreement", acSaveNo DoCmd.Close acQuery, "qryActiveUser"

Any clue here?

TIA

Rocky


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From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 9:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working! (Working Solution)

Hi Rocky,

This is indeed a bug which has been around for years.  This is how I handle it in my system.

'----------------------------

            '-- To resolve a 2046 bug in Access (see KB 244695) a software object must be opened before the 'OutputTo' method is called.

            '-- Open any read-only query (this opens a database window referred to in KB 244695)
            DoCmd.OpenQuery "qryGlobalErrors"

            '-- Output report from the file it's in
            If varObjectType = acReport Then

                DoEvents
                DoCmd.OpenReport stgObjectName, acViewPreview, , , acHidden

                DoEvents
                DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, stgObjectName, acFormatPDF, stgAccessObjectPath

                DoEvents
                DoCmd.Close acReport, stgObjectName, acSaveNo

            Else

                DoEvents
                DoCmd.OutputTo varObjectType, stgObjectName, varOutputFormat, stgAccessObjectPath

            End If

            '-- Close the read-only query
            DoCmd.Close acQuery, "qryGlobalErrors"

'----------------------------

Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 5:11 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!


 Would be good to get the fault from the event log and then see if it is the same in each case.

  If it is, then your probably tripping over a bug.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 01:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

I'll try that tomorrow. Un-commenting the last two parameters of the OutputTo didn't change the result.  Still barfed.  

I assume then after the output to you close the hidden report?

Thx

R

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From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 10:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'List'; 'Off Topic'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

Hi Rocky,

I had a similar situation.  I read somewhere that opening the report hidden first solves the problem

DoCmd.OpenReport " rptRentalAgreement ", acPreview, , , acHidden DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)", strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint


I also noticed in the second line above (copied from your code) you have a '
after False - this may cause a problem as well.

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2016 5:05 p.m.
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

Dear List(s):

 

I am running an accdb in A2010.  I want to convert a report to a pdf and attach it to an email.  This works perfectly on my machine.  

 

At the client site it does not. I spent two hours there today trying everything I could think of -  checking Microsoft update for patches fixes, updates, etc., decompiling, compact and repair, lacing the code with DoEvents, running as administrator - nothing worked.  I did track the problematic line of code.  It is the line with 

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport

 

And Access Stopped Working on this line of code almost every time.  I say almost because a couple of times it ran - generated both pdfs and popped up the email with the two report pdfs attached!  Which is why I tried the DoEvents.  But it barfed pretty consistently on that first DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport,

 

Here's the code:

 

strFrontEndPath = db.Name

Do While Right(strFrontEndPath, 1) <> "\"

    strFrontEndPath = Left(strFrontEndPath, Len(strFrontEndPath) - 1)

Loop

strRAPDFName = strFrontEndPath & "RentalAgreement-" _

    & Me.cboNameAndAddress.Column(1) & "-" _

    & Me.fldRAHOrderNumber & ".pdf"

strRAPDFName = Replace(strRAPDFName, "*", "")

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)", strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint

'Call ConvertReportToPDF("rptRentalAgreement", , strRAPDFName, , False)

 

strCCPPDFName = strFrontEndPath & "CreditCardPermission-" _

    & Me.cboNameAndAddress.Column(1) & "-" _

    & Me.fldRAHOrderNumber & ".pdf"

strCCPPDFName = Replace(strCCPPDFName, "*", "")

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptCreditCardPermissionForEmail",
"PDFFormat(*.pdf)", strCCPPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint

'Call ConvertReportToPDF("rptCreditCardPermissionForEmail", , strCCPPDFName, , False)

 

 

You can see the previous legacy code which worked for a long time in A2003 - the calls to ConvertToPDF - which I have commented out.  That doesn't work anymore.  

 

So I'm really stumped.  Has anyone had this problem and found a solution?
Two martinis to the genius who can post an effective fix.

 

MTIA

 

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

 <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com

 <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com

Skype: rocky.smolin

 

 

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Nov  8 21:47:12 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 19:47:12 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working! (Working Solution)
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Well, unless I want to invite them over to my house to run their business,
I've still got a problem.

I'm actually thinking about taking my own machine over there and hooking it
up to see if it will run on my machine over there.  :)

Neither 1 second nor 2 second delay worked at the client site.  So I don't
hold out much hope for .5 seconds.  It does work intermittently - that is,
it's not predictable or reliably reproducible.

(This really sucks).

R

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Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 5:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working! (Working Solution)

Hi Rocky,

Glad to hear that something is working!

I do have this working at 3 customers for many years at 0.1 seconds w/o any
errors.  1 second doesn't affect a user much but I'd still try 0.5 seconds.
Hope that works!

Dan

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Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 19:19
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working! (Working Solution)

All:

I put the Pause function in and it seemed to work on my machine.  But still
have the problem at the client site. It didn't work here at .1 seconds, but
at 1 second it did.

That same dll seems to be in the error log.  But I don't find anything on
the internets about it. 

Any more ideas?

TIA

Rocky


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Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 1:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working! (Working Solution)

Hi Rocky,

Hi Rocky,

I think Jim is correct.

First, save this as a Public Sub.
'---------------------
Public Sub Pause(Optional sngNumberOfSeconds As Single = 0.1)
    On Error GoTo EH

    '-- Purpose:  This will 'pause' running code so that Access can get
other things done

    Dim sngPauseTime As Single
    Dim sngStart As Single

    If sngNumberOfSeconds = 0 Then Exit Sub

    sngPauseTime = sngNumberOfSeconds
    sngStart = Timer
    Do While Timer < sngStart + sngPauseTime
        DoEvents
    Loop

EH:
    Exit Sub

End Sub
'--------------------------

Next, replace the 2nd DoEvents with Call Pause.  I do this in my code but I
didn't think you would need it.

By default, Pause will run a loop of DoEvents for 1/10 of a second.

Again, Good Luck!
Dan

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From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 1:49 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working! (Working Solution)

Dan, Et Al:

Here's a clue, maybe.  That code didn't work - got the "Access has stopped
working" message.  BUT!

When I put a breakpoint into the code before the open query and single
stepped through it (F8), it worked!

So it would seem to be some kind of timing issue?

I did put the DoEvents in like you said:

DoCmd.OpenQuery "qryActiveUser"
DoEvents
DoCmd.OpenReport "rptRentalAgreement", acPreview, , , acHidden DoEvents
DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", acFormatPDF,
strRAPDFName, False  ', "", acExportQualityPrint DoEvents 'DoCmd.OutputTo
acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)", strRAPDFName,
False ', "", acExportQualityPrint DoCmd.Close acReport,
"rptRentalAgreement", acSaveNo DoCmd.Close acQuery, "qryActiveUser"

Any clue here?

TIA

Rocky


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From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Waters
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 9:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working! (Working Solution)

Hi Rocky,

This is indeed a bug which has been around for years.  This is how I handle
it in my system.

'----------------------------

            '-- To resolve a 2046 bug in Access (see KB 244695) a software
object must be opened before the 'OutputTo' method is called.

            '-- Open any read-only query (this opens a database window
referred to in KB 244695)
            DoCmd.OpenQuery "qryGlobalErrors"

            '-- Output report from the file it's in
            If varObjectType = acReport Then

                DoEvents
                DoCmd.OpenReport stgObjectName, acViewPreview, , , acHidden

                DoEvents
                DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, stgObjectName, acFormatPDF,
stgAccessObjectPath

                DoEvents
                DoCmd.Close acReport, stgObjectName, acSaveNo

            Else

                DoEvents
                DoCmd.OutputTo varObjectType, stgObjectName,
varOutputFormat, stgAccessObjectPath

            End If

            '-- Close the read-only query
            DoCmd.Close acQuery, "qryGlobalErrors"

'----------------------------

Good Luck!
Dan

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Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 5:11 AM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!


 Would be good to get the fault from the event log and then see if it is the
same in each case.

  If it is, then your probably tripping over a bug.

Jim. 

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From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 01:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

I'll try that tomorrow. Un-commenting the last two parameters of the
OutputTo didn't change the result.  Still barfed.  

I assume then after the output to you close the hidden report?

Thx

R

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Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 10:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'List'; 'Off Topic'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

Hi Rocky,

I had a similar situation.  I read somewhere that opening the report hidden
first solves the problem

DoCmd.OpenReport " rptRentalAgreement ", acPreview, , , acHidden
DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)",
strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint


I also noticed in the second line above (copied from your code) you have a '
after False - this may cause a problem as well.

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand



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From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2016 5:05 p.m.
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

Dear List(s):

 

I am running an accdb in A2010.  I want to convert a report to a pdf and
attach it to an email.  This works perfectly on my machine.  

 

At the client site it does not. I spent two hours there today trying
everything I could think of -  checking Microsoft update for patches fixes,
updates, etc., decompiling, compact and repair, lacing the code with
DoEvents, running as administrator - nothing worked.  I did track the
problematic line of code.  It is the line with 

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport

 

And Access Stopped Working on this line of code almost every time.  I say
almost because a couple of times it ran - generated both pdfs and popped up
the email with the two report pdfs attached!  Which is why I tried the
DoEvents.  But it barfed pretty consistently on that first DoCmd.OutputTo
acOutputReport,

 

Here's the code:

 

strFrontEndPath = db.Name

Do While Right(strFrontEndPath, 1) <> "\"

    strFrontEndPath = Left(strFrontEndPath, Len(strFrontEndPath) - 1)

Loop

strRAPDFName = strFrontEndPath & "RentalAgreement-" _

    & Me.cboNameAndAddress.Column(1) & "-" _

    & Me.fldRAHOrderNumber & ".pdf"

strRAPDFName = Replace(strRAPDFName, "*", "")

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)",
strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint

'Call ConvertReportToPDF("rptRentalAgreement", , strRAPDFName, , False)

 

strCCPPDFName = strFrontEndPath & "CreditCardPermission-" _

    & Me.cboNameAndAddress.Column(1) & "-" _

    & Me.fldRAHOrderNumber & ".pdf"

strCCPPDFName = Replace(strCCPPDFName, "*", "")

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptCreditCardPermissionForEmail",
"PDFFormat(*.pdf)", strCCPPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint

'Call ConvertReportToPDF("rptCreditCardPermissionForEmail", , strCCPPDFName,
, False)

 

 

You can see the previous legacy code which worked for a long time in A2003 -
the calls to ConvertToPDF - which I have commented out.  That doesn't work
anymore.  

 

So I'm really stumped.  Has anyone had this problem and found a solution?
Two martinis to the genius who can post an effective fix.

 

MTIA

 

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

 <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com

 <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com

Skype: rocky.smolin

 

 

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From rls at WeBeDb.com  Wed Nov  9 08:55:21 2016
From: rls at WeBeDb.com (Robert Stewart)
Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2016 08:55:21 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Sayonara
In-Reply-To: <mailman.635.1478663272.446.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.635.1478663272.446.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <86F97E91-4675-47D7-BEE6-FFA86A52D63F@holly.arvixe.com>

Arthur,

As an icon in our world, you will be missed. I have know you since 
the Artful Library
days. So, it has been a while. You have given freely of your time and 
greatly benefited
lives that you will never even know about.

We will all try to live up to your example.

Robert
User Group Leader
Database and GUI Design Workshop
Houston, TX

At 09:47 PM 11/8/2016, you wrote:
> > From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
> > accessd at databaseadvisors.com>, "Off Topic" <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>,
> > "Discussion concerning MS SQL Server" <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 9, 2016 2:08:26 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] Sayonara
> >
> > I have less than 60 days to live, according to the physicians at my
> > hospital.I just want to say Thanks to you all, for your contributions not
> > only to me but also this worldwide community that has envigrated me and
> > made me feel that life was worth living.
> >
> > I had a good trip, and now it''s over, within days. Goodbye, my friends. I
> > don't know how to tell you how much you enhanced my life, but you did. It's
> > time to say goodbye, and I love you all, and have profited from you all.
> > Thank you for enhancing my life. Might be a few more days, but this needed
> > to be said. I met a lot of friends here and this will not be forgotten,

From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Wed Nov  9 19:31:08 2016
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 14:31:08 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
Message-ID: <005201d23af2$1cdedd30$569c9790$@dalyn.co.nz>

Hi Listers,

 

One of my clients is getting the following error:

"The expression After Update you entered as the event property setting
produced the following error: Your network access was interrupted"

 

Does anyone have any experience with this.  Surfing indicates that it is a
network issue rather than an Access one but I am working with another
company in charge of the hardware and am trying to give them leads.

 

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand

 

 


From bensonforums at gmail.com  Wed Nov  9 19:55:18 2016
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 20:55:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_1yS_rYvRT3ubsqcsQqTHSdBHzohJ48NRLRyH-HTRRepQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <005201d23af2$1cdedd30$569c9790$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<CAJLzs_2_PKQmq0pQW28UaJ7abf32OHGd11O619orYs17pkzsfw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJLzs_1yS_rYvRT3ubsqcsQqTHSdBHzohJ48NRLRyH-HTRRepQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_0MFniF0xSpzfUbazuazA9xTkfT9rLGPK7+1W-C9kba2A@mail.gmail.com>

No experience with that particular error. It seems to me that this may be
one of those things that accompanies linked tables and backends on servers
where forms are bound. Can you redesign to work with unbound forms and/or
temp (local) tables with recordet  logic rather than access binding logic?
I think unbound forms, in-line SQL and ADO might be your best resolution if
you can't get Jet to hold onto connections reliably, and you may want to
periodically refresh linked tables with code.

Seems a nuissance..

>From my non-flammable Note 3,
Bill Benson

On Nov 9, 2016 8:34 PM, "David Emerson" <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz> wrote:

Hi Listers,



One of my clients is getting the following error:

"The expression After Update you entered as the event property setting
produced the following error: Your network access was interrupted"



Does anyone have any experience with this.  Surfing indicates that it is a
network issue rather than an Access one but I am working with another
company in charge of the hardware and am trying to give them leads.



Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand





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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Wed Nov  9 20:32:20 2016
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 02:32:20 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_0MFniF0xSpzfUbazuazA9xTkfT9rLGPK7+1W-C9kba2A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <005201d23af2$1cdedd30$569c9790$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<CAJLzs_2_PKQmq0pQW28UaJ7abf32OHGd11O619orYs17pkzsfw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJLzs_1yS_rYvRT3ubsqcsQqTHSdBHzohJ48NRLRyH-HTRRepQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJLzs_0MFniF0xSpzfUbazuazA9xTkfT9rLGPK7+1W-C9kba2A@mail.gmail.com>
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" I think unbound forms, in-line SQL and ADO might be your best resolution if you can't get Jet to hold onto connections reliably, and you may want to periodically refresh linked tables with code."

That would be the approach I would always use over a network.  Using anything 'bound' is risky IMHO.

Regards
Darryl.



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Sent: Thursday, 10 November 2016 12:55 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted

No experience with that particular error. It seems to me that this may be one of those things that accompanies linked tables and backends on servers where forms are bound. Can you redesign to work with unbound forms and/or temp (local) tables with recordet  logic rather than access binding logic?
I think unbound forms, in-line SQL and ADO might be your best resolution if you can't get Jet to hold onto connections reliably, and you may want to periodically refresh linked tables with code.

Seems a nuissance..

>From my non-flammable Note 3,
Bill Benson

On Nov 9, 2016 8:34 PM, "David Emerson" <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz> wrote:

Hi Listers,



One of my clients is getting the following error:

"The expression After Update you entered as the event property setting produced the following error: Your network access was interrupted"



Does anyone have any experience with this.  Surfing indicates that it is a network issue rather than an Access one but I am working with another company in charge of the hardware and am trying to give them leads.



Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand





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From jbodin at sbor.com  Wed Nov  9 20:41:24 2016
From: jbodin at sbor.com (John Bodin)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 02:41:24 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
In-Reply-To: <005201d23af2$1cdedd30$569c9790$@dalyn.co.nz>
References: <005201d23af2$1cdedd30$569c9790$@dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <CY1PR0401MB1020A3447E98B08C3897C2ACBDB80@CY1PR0401MB1020.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

David, what version of Access are you using?  Also, are the workstations hard-wired or using WiFi?  If WiFi, that's a big risk running database apps on those.  Are you running Windows 7, 8.x, 10?  What version of Windows is on the server?

>From some searches, I've seen a fair amount of responses that it is Access, not the network.   Are there any XP boxes on the network and if so, do they experience the same issue?  Windows servers have a drive disconnect setting that I believe is 15 minutes of inactivity.  You see the drives with Red "X's" on them.  If a user were to get the error again, have them open Explorer/My Computer and see if the drive your apps is on has Red "X's".

Here's a lot of chatter about this.  http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/msoffice_access-mso_other/your-network-access-was-interrupted-to-continue/61ed2ca6-ec77-40dd-8251-6f453a6ecb85


John

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To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted

Hi Listers,

 

One of my clients is getting the following error:

"The expression After Update you entered as the event property setting produced the following error: Your network access was interrupted"

 

Does anyone have any experience with this.  Surfing indicates that it is a network issue rather than an Access one but I am working with another company in charge of the hardware and am trying to give them leads.

 

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand

 

 

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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Wed Nov  9 20:55:36 2016
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 15:55:36 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
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References: <005201d23af2$1cdedd30$569c9790$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<CY1PR0401MB1020A3447E98B08C3897C2ACBDB80@CY1PR0401MB1020.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <008a01d23afd$ea0022a0$be0067e0$@dalyn.co.nz>

Thanks John, Bill and Darryl.  Will pass your comments on.

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
John Bodin
Sent: Thursday, 10 November 2016 3:41 p.m.
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted

David, what version of Access are you using?  Also, are the workstations
hard-wired or using WiFi?  If WiFi, that's a big risk running database apps
on those.  Are you running Windows 7, 8.x, 10?  What version of Windows is
on the server?

>From some searches, I've seen a fair amount of responses that it is Access,
not the network.   Are there any XP boxes on the network and if so, do they
experience the same issue?  Windows servers have a drive disconnect setting
that I believe is 15 minutes of inactivity.  You see the drives with Red
"X's" on them.  If a user were to get the error again, have them open
Explorer/My Computer and see if the drive your apps is on has Red "X's".

Here's a lot of chatter about this.
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/msoffice_access-mso_other/
your-network-access-was-interrupted-to-continue/61ed2ca6-ec77-40dd-8251-6f45
3a6ecb85


John

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
David Emerson
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 8:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted

Hi Listers,

 

One of my clients is getting the following error:

"The expression After Update you entered as the event property setting
produced the following error: Your network access was interrupted"

 

Does anyone have any experience with this.  Surfing indicates that it is a
network issue rather than an Access one but I am working with another
company in charge of the hardware and am trying to give them leads.

 

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand

 

 

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From pcs.accessd at gmail.com  Thu Nov 10 00:26:56 2016
From: pcs.accessd at gmail.com (Borge Hansen)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 14:26:56 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Cross Posted - Moving a Access Update Query to MS SQL
In-Reply-To: <CAF+SPM9PFXXjSWFA3cgDRQw8V2cD2Kdh-=EEvfbCqdKfTnjM2w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF+SPM9PFXXjSWFA3cgDRQw8V2cD2Kdh-=EEvfbCqdKfTnjM2w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAF+SPM-3xiE_DDnCTZRi06vw3Ggu2BEaKX3ck67XtMo38SZpTQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

It appears that this article addresses the issue:

https://www.simple-talk.com/sql/t-sql-programming/
concatenating-row-values-in-transact-sql/

Posting it here in case others may run into the same problem.

/borge

On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:06 PM, Borge Hansen <pcs.accessd at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> MS Access 2010
> SQL 2014 Express
>
> I have trouble in moving a simple Access update query to MS SQL Server
> syntax
>
> To exemplify: two tables:
>
> tblMerged
> UFN  (PK, Number / Integer)
> MergedData (Memo)
>
> Sample Data:
> 10,
> 20,
> 30
>
>
> tblSource
> ID (PK, Number / Integer)
> UFN (FK, Number / Integer)
> SourceData (Text, 255)
> SelectFlag (Boolean)
>
> Sample Data:
> ID    UFN    SourceData    SelectFlag
> 15    10    10_Text_1    False
> 14    10    10_Text_2    False
> 3    10    10_Text_3    False
> 40    20    20_Text_1    False
> 39    20    20_Text_2    False
> 11    20    20_Text_3    False
> 70    30    30_Text_1    False
> 68    30    30_Text_2    False
> 65    30    30_Text_3    False
> 101    10    10_Text_0    False
> 102    20    20_Text_0    False
> 103    30    30_Text_0    False
>
>
> The Update Query looks like this:
>
> UPDATE tblMerged AS m
> INNER JOIN tblSource AS s ON m.UFN = s.UFN
> SET m.MergedData =
> IIf(Len([m].[MergedData])>0,
>     [m].[MergedData] & Chr(13) & Chr(10) & [s].[SourceData] & "  >>A  " &
> "  >>B  " & "  >>C  ",
>     [s].[SourceData] & "  >>A  " & "  >>B  " & "  >>C  "),
> s.SelectFlag = True
> WHERE (((s.SelectFlag)=False));
>
>
> The resulting data set in tblMerged looks like:
> UFN    MergedData
> 10    "10_Text_1  >>A    >>B    >>C
>          10_Text_2  >>A    >>B    >>C
>          10_Text_3  >>A    >>B    >>C
>          10_Text_0  >>A    >>B    >>C  "
> 20    "20_Text_1  >>A    >>B    >>C
>          20_Text_2  >>A    >>B    >>C
>          20_Text_3  >>A    >>B    >>C
>          20_Text_0  >>A    >>B    >>C  "
> 30    "30_Text_1  >>A    >>B    >>C
>          30_Text_2  >>A    >>B    >>C
>          30_Text_3  >>A    >>B    >>C
>          30_Text_0  >>A    >>B    >>C  "
>
>
> So, for each record in tblMerged the query iterates over all inner-joined
> records in tblSource and neatly concatenates all SourceData text strings
> with a linefeed/linebreak between each text string
> AND it updates the second table tblSource as well by setting SelectFlag to
> True ....
>
> (As an aside: no matter how I set the  sort index of the tblSource.ID - or
> use a query as the second object in the update query - a query on tblSource
> with a certain sort order on the records - the resulting text strings in
> MergedData are always read in and merged in the order the records were
> added.I would have expected same order as the PK index order of
> tblSource.ID)
>
>
> The question I am seeking your help with is How do we do this as a stored
> procedure in MS SQL : concatenate and merge in the tblMerged and update the
> SelectFlag in tblSource using one update query ??
>
> I created the update query in a stored procedure in MS SQL as:
>
> UPDATE dbo.tblMerged
> SET [MergedData] =
> IIF((LEN(cast([MergedData] as nvarchar(max))))> 0 ,
>     CONCAT(cast([MergedData] as nvarchar(max)) , char(13), char(10) ,
> cs.SourceData, '  >>A  ' ,  '  >>B  ' ,  '  >>C  '),
>     CONCAT([cs].[SourceData] , '  >>A  ' , '  >>B  ' , '  >>C  '))
> FROM dbo.tblMerged csm
> JOIN tblSource AS cs ON csm.UFN = cs.UFN
> ;
>
>
> The update query appears to only act on one record from tblSource
> - and we are not able to update the SelectFlag - (hence no WHERE
> (((s.SelectFlag)=0)) clause in the MS SQL )
>
> The result of the update query on tblMerged:
>
> UFN    MergedData
> 10    10_Text_2  >>A    >>B    >>C
> 20    20_Text_0  >>A    >>B    >>C
> 30    30_Text_3  >>A    >>B    >>C
>
>
> A simple thing to do in Access SQL/Query - in MS SQL Server ???
>
> Any help appreciated...
>
> /borge
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Nov 10 06:33:32 2016
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 07:33:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Sayonara
In-Reply-To: <86F97E91-4675-47D7-BEE6-FFA86A52D63F@holly.arvixe.com>
References: <mailman.635.1478663272.446.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<86F97E91-4675-47D7-BEE6-FFA86A52D63F@holly.arvixe.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gr2Dy8rfBxS7bO0N+DWB2YDmREPTrKDKGV1_51VecLzQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you for your kind words. My last mission is to prove the physician
wrong, and to persist for at least a couple more years. ?

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Robert Stewart <rls at webedb.com> wrote:

> Arthur,
>
> As an icon in our world, you will be missed. I have know you since the
> Artful Library
> days. So, it has been a while. You have given freely of your time and
> greatly benefited
> lives that you will never even know about.
>
> We will all try to live up to your example.
>
> Robert
> User Group Leader
> Database and GUI Design Workshop
> Houston, TX
>
> At 09:47 PM 11/8/2016, you wrote:
>
>> > From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
>> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
>> > accessd at databaseadvisors.com>, "Off Topic" <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com
>> >,
>> > "Discussion concerning MS SQL Server" <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisor
>> s.com>
>> > Sent: Sunday, October 9, 2016 2:08:26 PM
>> > Subject: [AccessD] Sayonara
>> >
>> > I have less than 60 days to live, according to the physicians at my
>> > hospital.I just want to say Thanks to you all, for your contributions
>> not
>> > only to me but also this worldwide community that has envigrated me and
>> > made me feel that life was worth living.
>> >
>> > I had a good trip, and now it''s over, within days. Goodbye, my
>> friends. I
>> > don't know how to tell you how much you enhanced my life, but you did.
>> It's
>> > time to say goodbye, and I love you all, and have profited from you all.
>> > Thank you for enhancing my life. Might be a few more days, but this
>> needed
>> > to be said. I met a lot of friends here and this will not be forgotten,
>>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Arthur

From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Nov 10 06:51:09 2016
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 07:51:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
In-Reply-To: <005201d23af2$1cdedd30$569c9790$@dalyn.co.nz>
References: <005201d23af2$1cdedd30$569c9790$@dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <1A987FEEE767415CB6E00C1DFB95AFC2@XPS>



 The problem with this error is that so many things can cause it, and yes,
it's the network in some way.  JET works fine over a solid LAN with little
issue (and note LAN, not a WAN - can't tell you how many people try to run
it over a WAN, which it was never designed for).   Problem is, JET will
complain loudly long before other apps do, so it usually gets blamed for the
problem.

 Besides the wireless issue (high latency), also look for NIC cards that
have power management (go to sleep) and disable that.  Also disable any
diagnostic protocol they might have (card disconnects from the network, runs
its tests, then re-connects, which will drive JET nuts).

 If your using mapped drives, be aware that windows has a built-in timeout
which needs to be disabled.

 Also have them check that DB's are not being virus scanned on the stations
or servers.

 And unlike the others, I don't believe going unbound is really a solution.
If your going to bother to do that, then you might as well not use Access.
And for most apps it would be a total re-write anyway.  

 A SQL Server backend though to replace JET is certainly an option and
usually not too much of a hill to climb.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
David Emerson
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 08:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted

Hi Listers,

 

One of my clients is getting the following error:

"The expression After Update you entered as the event property setting
produced the following error: Your network access was interrupted"

 

Does anyone have any experience with this.  Surfing indicates that it is a
network issue rather than an Access one but I am working with another
company in charge of the hardware and am trying to give them leads.

 

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand

 

 

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AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Nov 10 07:32:48 2016
From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 13:32:48 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
In-Reply-To: <1A987FEEE767415CB6E00C1DFB95AFC2@XPS>
References: <005201d23af2$1cdedd30$569c9790$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<1A987FEEE767415CB6E00C1DFB95AFC2@XPS>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAO8VDlNCBfdEkctCy61lm0HCgAAAEAAAAGeWE4l22CFGtrKy9oUtExYBAAAAAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>

And - to add to the possibilities but probably not in this case:
 

A while ago I took a backup (a whole drive - System(Boot), XP & win-7
partitions) to a personal cloud device.

When I tried copying that to a removable drive (as an offline backup of the
online backup) I got network errors reported. 
Repeated attempts using different software seemed (to me) to show that it was
something within windows-10 that was getting, or causing the error.
 
Anything (drag.drop, xcopy xxcopy robocopy) running from win-10 platform got the
same error reported - in (as near as I could determine) the same 2 places.
BUT Win-7 and XP copied the 4GB files OK just 

Strangely, windows-10 considered the backup files to be a 'folder-set' and would
allow me to copy ALL the files from the backup - and that was natively, without
even a 'Mount'

I eventually deleted those backup files and redid the backup using different
software, 
and have created many other backups since from various systems - various
versions of XP, win-7, win-10 

And no problems - so there seems (to me) to be nothing actually wrong with the
network, or the storage device, 
just something within windows-10 that got/gets confused with those particular
files and reports errors.

JimB
   

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Dettman
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 12:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted



 The problem with this error is that so many things can cause it, and yes,
it's the network in some way.  JET works fine over a solid LAN with little
issue (and note LAN, not a WAN - can't tell you how many people try to run
it over a WAN, which it was never designed for).   Problem is, JET will
complain loudly long before other apps do, so it usually gets blamed for the
problem.

 Besides the wireless issue (high latency), also look for NIC cards that
have power management (go to sleep) and disable that.  Also disable any
diagnostic protocol they might have (card disconnects from the network, runs
its tests, then re-connects, which will drive JET nuts).

 If your using mapped drives, be aware that windows has a built-in timeout
which needs to be disabled.

 Also have them check that DB's are not being virus scanned on the stations
or servers.

 And unlike the others, I don't believe going unbound is really a solution.
If your going to bother to do that, then you might as well not use Access.
And for most apps it would be a total re-write anyway.  

 A SQL Server backend though to replace JET is certainly an option and
usually not too much of a hill to climb.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
David Emerson
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 08:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted

Hi Listers,

 

One of my clients is getting the following error:

"The expression After Update you entered as the event property setting
produced the following error: Your network access was interrupted"

 

Does anyone have any experience with this.  Surfing indicates that it is a
network issue rather than an Access one but I am working with another
company in charge of the hardware and am trying to give them leads.

 

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand



From paul at wordwright.org  Thu Nov 10 09:12:27 2016
From: paul at wordwright.org (paul)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 15:12:27 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Sayonara
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gr2Dy8rfBxS7bO0N+DWB2YDmREPTrKDKGV1_51VecLzQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.635.1478663272.446.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<86F97E91-4675-47D7-BEE6-FFA86A52D63F@holly.arvixe.com>
	<CAEPJO1gr2Dy8rfBxS7bO0N+DWB2YDmREPTrKDKGV1_51VecLzQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKoNfVsOxiOfKp-3+9ZDnx23xVfoY102XvzbG6nBGJ3Kz-WHaQ@mail.gmail.com>

Well done, Arthur. EXACTLY  the attitude to adopt. Medics are so often
wrong - not intentionally, of course. We should use the advice as guidance,
that's all.

A zillion other factors wait to kill us - on the road, in the air, from the
neighbour's coughing, an electric fault in the kitchen. Chances are society
will kill us before our own ills.

Best of luck - hold on!
Salut
paul

On 10 November 2016 at 12:33, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you for your kind words. My last mission is to prove the physician
> wrong, and to persist for at least a couple more years. ?
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Robert Stewart <rls at webedb.com> wrote:
>
> > Arthur,
> >
> > As an icon in our world, you will be missed. I have know you since the
> > Artful Library
> > days. So, it has been a while. You have given freely of your time and
> > greatly benefited
> > lives that you will never even know about.
> >
> > We will all try to live up to your example.
> >
> > Robert
> > User Group Leader
> > Database and GUI Design Workshop
> > Houston, TX
> >
> > At 09:47 PM 11/8/2016, you wrote:
> >
> >> > From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> >> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
> >> > accessd at databaseadvisors.com>, "Off Topic" <
> dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com
> >> >,
> >> > "Discussion concerning MS SQL Server" <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisor
> >> s.com>
> >> > Sent: Sunday, October 9, 2016 2:08:26 PM
> >> > Subject: [AccessD] Sayonara
> >> >
> >> > I have less than 60 days to live, according to the physicians at my
> >> > hospital.I just want to say Thanks to you all, for your contributions
> >> not
> >> > only to me but also this worldwide community that has envigrated me
> and
> >> > made me feel that life was worth living.
> >> >
> >> > I had a good trip, and now it''s over, within days. Goodbye, my
> >> friends. I
> >> > don't know how to tell you how much you enhanced my life, but you did.
> >> It's
> >> > time to say goodbye, and I love you all, and have profited from you
> all.
> >> > Thank you for enhancing my life. Might be a few more days, but this
> >> needed
> >> > to be said. I met a lot of friends here and this will not be
> forgotten,
> >>
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Arthur
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Nov 10 10:26:02 2016
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 11:26:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Sayonara
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gr2Dy8rfBxS7bO0N+DWB2YDmREPTrKDKGV1_51VecLzQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.635.1478663272.446.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<86F97E91-4675-47D7-BEE6-FFA86A52D63F@holly.arvixe.com>
	<CAEPJO1gr2Dy8rfBxS7bO0N+DWB2YDmREPTrKDKGV1_51VecLzQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4172d75d-0c9d-1a4b-5bf3-37c0680fdc1c@torchlake.com>

All my support for that mission, Arthur. Did I send you my dad's 
"cancer-bashing crew" story? If not, do you want it? It is a pretty good 
story.

T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 11/10/16 7:33 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Thank you for your kind words. My last mission is to prove the physician
> wrong, and to persist for at least a couple more years. ?
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Robert Stewart <rls at webedb.com> wrote:
>
>> Arthur,
>>
>> As an icon in our world, you will be missed. I have know you since the
>> Artful Library
>> days. So, it has been a while. You have given freely of your time and
>> greatly benefited
>> lives that you will never even know about.
>>
>> We will all try to live up to your example.
>>
>> Robert
>> User Group Leader
>> Database and GUI Design Workshop
>> Houston, TX
>>
>> At 09:47 PM 11/8/2016, you wrote:
>>
>>>> From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
>>>> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>, "Off Topic" <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> ,
>>>> "Discussion concerning MS SQL Server" <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisor
>>> s.com>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 9, 2016 2:08:26 PM
>>>> Subject: [AccessD] Sayonara
>>>>
>>>> I have less than 60 days to live, according to the physicians at my
>>>> hospital.I just want to say Thanks to you all, for your contributions
>>> not
>>>> only to me but also this worldwide community that has envigrated me and
>>>> made me feel that life was worth living.
>>>>
>>>> I had a good trip, and now it''s over, within days. Goodbye, my
>>> friends. I
>>>> don't know how to tell you how much you enhanced my life, but you did.
>>> It's
>>>> time to say goodbye, and I love you all, and have profited from you all.
>>>> Thank you for enhancing my life. Might be a few more days, but this
>>> needed
>>>> to be said. I met a lot of friends here and this will not be forgotten,
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>


From bensonforums at gmail.com  Thu Nov 10 14:16:18 2016
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 15:16:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Sayonara
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gr2Dy8rfBxS7bO0N+DWB2YDmREPTrKDKGV1_51VecLzQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.635.1478663272.446.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<86F97E91-4675-47D7-BEE6-FFA86A52D63F@holly.arvixe.com>
	<CAEPJO1gr2Dy8rfBxS7bO0N+DWB2YDmREPTrKDKGV1_51VecLzQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_1Pf2vOpr7Atp46AT8yipeEyV9kBoW=u+=CvyUrYZ-zuQ@mail.gmail.com>

I hope you catch them up in the ONLY mistake we WANT a doctor to actually
be guilty of Art!

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 7:33 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thank you for your kind words. My last mission is to prove the physician
> wrong, and to persist for at least a couple more years. ?
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Robert Stewart <rls at webedb.com> wrote:
>
> > Arthur,
> >
> > As an icon in our world, you will be missed. I have know you since the
> > Artful Library
> > days. So, it has been a while. You have given freely of your time and
> > greatly benefited
> > lives that you will never even know about.
> >
> > We will all try to live up to your example.
> >
> > Robert
> > User Group Leader
> > Database and GUI Design Workshop
> > Houston, TX
> >
> > At 09:47 PM 11/8/2016, you wrote:
> >
> >> > From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> >> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
> >> > accessd at databaseadvisors.com>, "Off Topic" <
> dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com
> >> >,
> >> > "Discussion concerning MS SQL Server" <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisor
> >> s.com>
> >> > Sent: Sunday, October 9, 2016 2:08:26 PM
> >> > Subject: [AccessD] Sayonara
> >> >
> >> > I have less than 60 days to live, according to the physicians at my
> >> > hospital.I just want to say Thanks to you all, for your contributions
> >> not
> >> > only to me but also this worldwide community that has envigrated me
> and
> >> > made me feel that life was worth living.
> >> >
> >> > I had a good trip, and now it''s over, within days. Goodbye, my
> >> friends. I
> >> > don't know how to tell you how much you enhanced my life, but you did.
> >> It's
> >> > time to say goodbye, and I love you all, and have profited from you
> all.
> >> > Thank you for enhancing my life. Might be a few more days, but this
> >> needed
> >> > to be said. I met a lot of friends here and this will not be
> forgotten,
> >>
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Arthur
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Thu Nov 10 14:32:58 2016
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John W. Clark)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 20:32:58 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Perhaps I'm just being a dolt...I hope!
In-Reply-To: <CAF+SPM-3xiE_DDnCTZRi06vw3Ggu2BEaKX3ck67XtMo38SZpTQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF+SPM9PFXXjSWFA3cgDRQw8V2cD2Kdh-=EEvfbCqdKfTnjM2w@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAF+SPM-3xiE_DDnCTZRi06vw3Ggu2BEaKX3ck67XtMo38SZpTQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BY1PR09MB0853F1520B0D03B47DDAFA3786B80@BY1PR09MB0853.namprd09.prod.outlook.com>

I'm praying that this is something simple that I am missing. I'm completely OK with anyone saying, "John,  you are being dumb, here is your simple solution..." As illustrated by my general absence, and my rare visits to this list...just can't quit it though...I don't do much with Access these days.


But...


I have this database downstairs in our treasurers department that has been running smoothly and relatively trouble-free for years. They called me with some weird issues a couple of weeks ago and I ran a "repair and compact" because that is what I do when weird problems arise...again very rare. It did take care of the weirdest of issues, as I figured it might...it was saying a record was already entered that just simply didn't exist. However another issue remains...this is actually not my cause for the help request.


My problem is...and this seems to have begun around the same time...SEEMS to have...is that where they were once able to enter a value into their queries, they are no longer able to do this. The one that brought it to light is a date field, which pops up a calendar as it should, but clicking doesn't enter a value, nor can you do it manually. I started looking at other fields and other queries and it is all of them.


Also, there are three people that use this database, thus three front-ends among the individual PCs, and I have a copy on mine as well. I checked another, hoping I just needed to copy a new front-end to the offending PC, but it was both (never checked the 3rd...figured it was the same). Then I came up to my computer and tried it with the same results.


I thought it was perhaps something to do with filtering which they're using, but no it is all queries. Then I thought perhaps a rights issue with the back-end data, but they are able to enter into forms and tables...I need to double-check the tables statement.


No nums-lock, no scroll-lock, I don't know  what could cause this...I'm out of ideas. And, I am out of time, we're in the midst of a GroupWise to Exchange migration and I'm swamped as it is. Aahhhh! Please help an unfortunate soul!

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Nov 10 14:44:34 2016
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 15:44:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Perhaps I'm just being a dolt...I hope!
In-Reply-To: <BY1PR09MB0853F1520B0D03B47DDAFA3786B80@BY1PR09MB0853.namprd09.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAF+SPM9PFXXjSWFA3cgDRQw8V2cD2Kdh-=EEvfbCqdKfTnjM2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAF+SPM-3xiE_DDnCTZRi06vw3Ggu2BEaKX3ck67XtMo38SZpTQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BY1PR09MB0853F1520B0D03B47DDAFA3786B80@BY1PR09MB0853.namprd09.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+diJVs=vGJwe_Ern5JAdEyuGmtC8rAsBWJ_2hSZ+JKa6Q@mail.gmail.com>

Calendar -- are you using an ActiveX control and if so, just perhaps a
recent update has trashed it? If these are not Windows 10 systems, have you
tried doing the following:

1.) Restoring the system to a date before the problem.
2.) Uninstalling any updates in the appropriate time frame.

Susan H.

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 3:32 PM, John W. Clark <John.Clark at niagaracounty.com
> wrote:

> I'm praying that this is something simple that I am missing. I'm
> completely OK with anyone saying, "John,  you are being dumb, here is your
> simple solution..." As illustrated by my general absence, and my rare
> visits to this list...just can't quit it though...I don't do much with
> Access these days.
>
>
> But...
>
>
> I have this database downstairs in our treasurers department that has been
> running smoothly and relatively trouble-free for years. They called me with
> some weird issues a couple of weeks ago and I ran a "repair and compact"
> because that is what I do when weird problems arise...again very rare. It
> did take care of the weirdest of issues, as I figured it might...it was
> saying a record was already entered that just simply didn't exist. However
> another issue remains...this is actually not my cause for the help request.
>
>
> My problem is...and this seems to have begun around the same time...SEEMS
> to have...is that where they were once able to enter a value into their
> queries, they are no longer able to do this. The one that brought it to
> light is a date field, which pops up a calendar as it should, but clicking
> doesn't enter a value, nor can you do it manually. I started looking at
> other fields and other queries and it is all of them.
>
>
> Also, there are three people that use this database, thus three front-ends
> among the individual PCs, and I have a copy on mine as well. I checked
> another, hoping I just needed to copy a new front-end to the offending PC,
> but it was both (never checked the 3rd...figured it was the same). Then I
> came up to my computer and tried it with the same results.
>
>
> I thought it was perhaps something to do with filtering which they're
> using, but no it is all queries. Then I thought perhaps a rights issue with
> the back-end data, but they are able to enter into forms and tables...I
> need to double-check the tables statement.
>
>
> No nums-lock, no scroll-lock, I don't know  what could cause this...I'm
> out of ideas. And, I am out of time, we're in the midst of a GroupWise to
> Exchange migration and I'm swamped as it is. Aahhhh! Please help an
> unfortunate soul!
>
> Notice: This electronic transmission is intended for the sole use of the
> individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential,
> privileged or otherwise legally protected information. If you are not the
> intended recipient, or if you believe you are not the intended recipient,
> you are hereby notified that any use, disclosure, copying, distribution, or
> the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this information,
> is strictly prohibited. Niagara County is not responsible for the content
> of any external hyperlink referenced in this email or any email. IF YOU
> HAVE RECEIVED THIS TRANSMISSION IN ERROR, PLEASE NOTIFY THE SENDER
> IMMEDIATELY BY EMAIL AND DELETE THE ORIGINAL MESSAGE ALONG WITH ANY PAPER
> OR ELECTRONIC COPIES. Thank you for your cooperation.
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Thu Nov 10 14:46:33 2016
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 12:46:33 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Perhaps I'm just being a dolt...I hope!
In-Reply-To: <BY1PR09MB0853F1520B0D03B47DDAFA3786B80@BY1PR09MB0853.namprd09.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAF+SPM9PFXXjSWFA3cgDRQw8V2cD2Kdh-=EEvfbCqdKfTnjM2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAF+SPM-3xiE_DDnCTZRi06vw3Ggu2BEaKX3ck67XtMo38SZpTQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BY1PR09MB0853F1520B0D03B47DDAFA3786B80@BY1PR09MB0853.namprd09.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_0W7bWocM1YdenkRJ_6oFU+wVKXBnXY4FJUkcOEO+xMA@mail.gmail.com>

What version of access was it built in and what version is it running in?
Some versions back the query engine would let you edit values in multiple
tables in a query as long as all the primary keys were included in the
query design.  The query engine has become much more strict about
multi-task queries and usually will allow you to edit only the outer joined
tables.  Apparently asynchronous updates were the default type of dynaset
back in the day but that is no longer the case.

On Nov 10, 2016 12:35 PM, "John W. Clark" <John.Clark at niagaracounty.com>
wrote:

> I'm praying that this is something simple that I am missing. I'm
> completely OK with anyone saying, "John,  you are being dumb, here is your
> simple solution..." As illustrated by my general absence, and my rare
> visits to this list...just can't quit it though...I don't do much with
> Access these days.
>
>
> But...
>
>
> I have this database downstairs in our treasurers department that has been
> running smoothly and relatively trouble-free for years. They called me with
> some weird issues a couple of weeks ago and I ran a "repair and compact"
> because that is what I do when weird problems arise...again very rare. It
> did take care of the weirdest of issues, as I figured it might...it was
> saying a record was already entered that just simply didn't exist. However
> another issue remains...this is actually not my cause for the help request.
>
>
> My problem is...and this seems to have begun around the same time...SEEMS
> to have...is that where they were once able to enter a value into their
> queries, they are no longer able to do this. The one that brought it to
> light is a date field, which pops up a calendar as it should, but clicking
> doesn't enter a value, nor can you do it manually. I started looking at
> other fields and other queries and it is all of them.
>
>
> Also, there are three people that use this database, thus three front-ends
> among the individual PCs, and I have a copy on mine as well. I checked
> another, hoping I just needed to copy a new front-end to the offending PC,
> but it was both (never checked the 3rd...figured it was the same). Then I
> came up to my computer and tried it with the same results.
>
>
> I thought it was perhaps something to do with filtering which they're
> using, but no it is all queries. Then I thought perhaps a rights issue with
> the back-end data, but they are able to enter into forms and tables...I
> need to double-check the tables statement.
>
>
> No nums-lock, no scroll-lock, I don't know  what could cause this...I'm
> out of ideas. And, I am out of time, we're in the midst of a GroupWise to
> Exchange migration and I'm swamped as it is. Aahhhh! Please help an
> unfortunate soul!
>
> Notice: This electronic transmission is intended for the sole use of the
> individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential,
> privileged or otherwise legally protected information. If you are not the
> intended recipient, or if you believe you are not the intended recipient,
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Nov 10 14:46:51 2016
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 14:46:51 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Perhaps I'm just being a dolt...I hope!
In-Reply-To: <BY1PR09MB0853F1520B0D03B47DDAFA3786B80@BY1PR09MB0853.namprd09.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAF+SPM9PFXXjSWFA3cgDRQw8V2cD2Kdh-=EEvfbCqdKfTnjM2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAF+SPM-3xiE_DDnCTZRi06vw3Ggu2BEaKX3ck67XtMo38SZpTQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BY1PR09MB0853F1520B0D03B47DDAFA3786B80@BY1PR09MB0853.namprd09.prod.outlook.com>
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Hi John,

I believe something has happened with your data so that you no longer
have a one to one relationship where you used to have that.

https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Edit-data-in-a-query-6ca3edfc-6d66-4d90-8219-c2b258d5bed7

tells us;

-----------------------------

When can I edit data in a query?

You can always edit the data in a query when the query is based on
either only one table or on two tables that bear a one-to-one
relationship to each other.

Note: Even when you can edit data in a query, some of its fields may
not be available for editing. Such cases are listed in the following
section.

---------------------------and

When can I not edit data in a query?

You can never edit the data in a query when:

The query is a crosstab query.

The query is a SQL-specific query.

The field you are trying to edit is a calculated field. In this case,
you may be able to edit the other fields.

The query is based on three or more tables and there is a
many-to-one-to-many relationship.

Note: Although you cannot edit the query datasheet in this case, you
can edit the data in a form when the RecordsetType property of the
form is set to Dynaset (Inconsistent Updates).

The query contains a GROUP BY clause.




On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 2:32 PM, John W. Clark
<John.Clark at niagaracounty.com> wrote:
> I'm praying that this is something simple that I am missing. I'm completely OK with anyone saying, "John,  you are being dumb, here is your simple solution..." As illustrated by my general absence, and my rare visits to this list...just can't quit it though...I don't do much with Access these days.
>
>
> But...
>
>
> I have this database downstairs in our treasurers department that has been running smoothly and relatively trouble-free for years. They called me with some weird issues a couple of weeks ago and I ran a "repair and compact" because that is what I do when weird problems arise...again very rare. It did take care of the weirdest of issues, as I figured it might...it was saying a record was already entered that just simply didn't exist. However another issue remains...this is actually not my cause for the help request.
>
>
> My problem is...and this seems to have begun around the same time...SEEMS to have...is that where they were once able to enter a value into their queries, they are no longer able to do this. The one that brought it to light is a date field, which pops up a calendar as it should, but clicking doesn't enter a value, nor can you do it manually. I started looking at other fields and other queries and it is all of them.
>
>
> Also, there are three people that use this database, thus three front-ends among the individual PCs, and I have a copy on mine as well. I checked another, hoping I just needed to copy a new front-end to the offending PC, but it was both (never checked the 3rd...figured it was the same). Then I came up to my computer and tried it with the same results.
>
>
> I thought it was perhaps something to do with filtering which they're using, but no it is all queries. Then I thought perhaps a rights issue with the back-end data, but they are able to enter into forms and tables...I need to double-check the tables statement.
>
>
> No nums-lock, no scroll-lock, I don't know  what could cause this...I'm out of ideas. And, I am out of time, we're in the midst of a GroupWise to Exchange migration and I'm swamped as it is. Aahhhh! Please help an unfortunate soul!
>
> Notice: This electronic transmission is intended for the sole use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential, privileged or otherwise legally protected information. If you are not the intended recipient, or if you believe you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this information, is strictly prohibited. Niagara County is not responsible for the content of any external hyperlink referenced in this email or any email. IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS TRANSMISSION IN ERROR, PLEASE NOTIFY THE SENDER IMMEDIATELY BY EMAIL AND DELETE THE ORIGINAL MESSAGE ALONG WITH ANY PAPER OR ELECTRONIC COPIES. Thank you for your cooperation.
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From RRANTHON at sentara.com  Thu Nov 10 14:47:13 2016
From: RRANTHON at sentara.com (RANDALL R ANTHONY)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 20:47:13 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Perhaps I'm just being a dolt...I hope!
In-Reply-To: <BY1PR09MB0853F1520B0D03B47DDAFA3786B80@BY1PR09MB0853.namprd09.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAF+SPM9PFXXjSWFA3cgDRQw8V2cD2Kdh-=EEvfbCqdKfTnjM2w@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAF+SPM-3xiE_DDnCTZRi06vw3Ggu2BEaKX3ck67XtMo38SZpTQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BY1PR09MB0853F1520B0D03B47DDAFA3786B80@BY1PR09MB0853.namprd09.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <E735A4A486B97B468F2A0A507B26CBB0020C8D9C@EXCMBS013.corp.ad.sentara.com>

John,
Years ago had a problem where a db just wouldn't add another record (which I think is what you're saying here)
Turns out the autonumber on the pk was set to Short (IIRC) so when it hit 32-thousandth record, it stopped.  Changing to long int fixed the issue.  Shot in the dark....

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Clark
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 3:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Perhaps I'm just being a dolt...I hope!

I'm praying that this is something simple that I am missing. I'm completely OK with anyone saying, "John,  you are being dumb, here is your simple solution..." As illustrated by my general absence, and my rare visits to this list...just can't quit it though...I don't do much with Access these days.


But...


I have this database downstairs in our treasurers department that has been running smoothly and relatively trouble-free for years. They called me with some weird issues a couple of weeks ago and I ran a "repair and compact" because that is what I do when weird problems arise...again very rare. It did take care of the weirdest of issues, as I figured it might...it was saying a record was already entered that just simply didn't exist. However another issue remains...this is actually not my cause for the help request.


My problem is...and this seems to have begun around the same time...SEEMS to have...is that where they were once able to enter a value into their queries, they are no longer able to do this. The one that brought it to light is a date field, which pops up a calendar as it should, but clicking doesn't enter a value, nor can you do it manually. I started looking at other fields and other queries and it is all of them.


Also, there are three people that use this database, thus three front-ends among the individual PCs, and I have a copy on mine as well. I checked another, hoping I just needed to copy a new front-end to the offending PC, but it was both (never checked the 3rd...figured it was the same). Then I came up to my computer and tried it with the same results.


I thought it was perhaps something to do with filtering which they're using, but no it is all queries. Then I thought perhaps a rights issue with the back-end data, but they are able to enter into forms and tables...I need to double-check the tables statement.


No nums-lock, no scroll-lock, I don't know  what could cause this...I'm out of ideas. And, I am out of time, we're in the midst of a GroupWise to Exchange migration and I'm swamped as it is. Aahhhh! Please help an unfortunate soul!

Notice: This electronic transmission is intended for the sole use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential, privileged or otherwise legally protected information. If you are not the intended recipient, or if you believe you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this information, is strictly prohibited. Niagara County is not responsible for the content of any external hyperlink referenced in this email or any email. IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS TRANSMISSION IN ERROR, PLEASE NOTIFY THE SENDER IMMEDIATELY BY EMAIL AND DELETE THE ORIGINAL MESSAGE ALONG WITH ANY PAPER OR ELECTRONIC COPIES. Thank you for your cooperation.
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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Thu Nov 10 14:47:13 2016
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John W. Clark)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 20:47:13 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Perhaps I'm just being a dolt...I hope!
In-Reply-To: <BY1PR09MB0853F1520B0D03B47DDAFA3786B80@BY1PR09MB0853.namprd09.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAF+SPM9PFXXjSWFA3cgDRQw8V2cD2Kdh-=EEvfbCqdKfTnjM2w@mail.gmail.com>,
	,
	<BY1PR09MB0853F1520B0D03B47DDAFA3786B80@BY1PR09MB0853.namprd09.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BY1PR09MB0853277F7092D6042F4C5BD786B80@BY1PR09MB0853.namprd09.prod.outlook.com>

So...just to clarify something...I did check that I can enter into tables to be sure. Yes, this can be done. Actually in that same field that brought the problem to light, a calendar comes up and you can choose a value that then goes into the field. And you can directly enter it as well.


So I guess the problem is simply, why can I not enter into queries...when I could 2-3 weeks ago?

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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Thu Nov 10 14:52:24 2016
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 15:52:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Perhaps I'm just being a dolt...I hope!
In-Reply-To: <BY1PR09MB0853277F7092D6042F4C5BD786B80@BY1PR09MB0853.namprd09.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAF+SPM9PFXXjSWFA3cgDRQw8V2cD2Kdh-=EEvfbCqdKfTnjM2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<BY1PR09MB0853F1520B0D03B47DDAFA3786B80@BY1PR09MB0853.namprd09.prod.outlook.com>
	<BY1PR09MB0853277F7092D6042F4C5BD786B80@BY1PR09MB0853.namprd09.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_11Nrd+=RFfW2fYdeVHQ7v5C-FJ_9BazxfDfWqwRWSBBg@mail.gmail.com>

Well... pasting the SQL window code of your query would he helpful. and if
those queries have subqueries, then those as well. Are you getting a
recordset not updatable message of some kind?

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 3:47 PM, John W. Clark <John.Clark at niagaracounty.com
> wrote:

> So...just to clarify something...I did check that I can enter into tables
> to be sure. Yes, this can be done. Actually in that same field that brought
> the problem to light, a calendar comes up and you can choose a value that
> then goes into the field. And you can directly enter it as well.
>
>
> So I guess the problem is simply, why can I not enter into queries...when
> I could 2-3 weeks ago?
>
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> individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential,
> privileged or otherwise legally protected information. If you are not the
> intended recipient, or if you believe you are not the intended recipient,
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From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Thu Nov 10 15:53:43 2016
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 21:53:43 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Perhaps I'm just being a dolt...I hope!
In-Reply-To: <BY1PR09MB0853277F7092D6042F4C5BD786B80@BY1PR09MB0853.namprd09.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAF+SPM9PFXXjSWFA3cgDRQw8V2cD2Kdh-=EEvfbCqdKfTnjM2w@mail.gmail.com>,
	, 
	<BY1PR09MB0853F1520B0D03B47DDAFA3786B80@BY1PR09MB0853.namprd09.prod.outlook.com>
	<BY1PR09MB0853277F7092D6042F4C5BD786B80@BY1PR09MB0853.namprd09.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BL2P115MB0003472084D5BF48B03EACA39CB80@BL2P115MB0003.NAMP115.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

John,

Did you try to Decompile to application? That can clear up more weirdness that Compact and Repair can...

"X:\FullPathToAccess\MSAcess.exe" "C:\FullPathToyYourFile\somefile.accdb" /decompile



Lambert? 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Clark
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 3:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Perhaps I'm just being a dolt...I hope!

So...just to clarify something...I did check that I can enter into tables to be sure. Yes, this can be done. Actually in that same field that brought the problem to light, a calendar comes up and you can choose a value that then goes into the field. And you can directly enter it as well.


So I guess the problem is simply, why can I not enter into queries...when I could 2-3 weeks ago?

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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Fri Nov 11 19:46:06 2016
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 14:46:06 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Referencing Forms with Form_
Message-ID: <003701d23c86$892d5760$9b880620$@dalyn.co.nz>

Hi Listers,

 

I have inherited a database which has the following line of code:

    Form_frmSite!sfrEquipment.Requery

 

I tried to change it as follows (replacing the "_" with "!" which is the
format I usually use):

 

    Form!frmSite!sfrEquipment.Requery

 

The first one works ok but the second one gives error 2467 "The expression
you entered refers to an object that is closed or doesn't exist.

 

Why does the first on work but the second one doesn't?  I haven't come
across the first syntax before and couldn't see anything on the web.

 

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand

 

 


From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Fri Nov 11 19:53:47 2016
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 14:53:47 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Referencing Forms with Form_
Message-ID: <003f01d23c87$9bf82c70$d3e88550$@dalyn.co.nz>

Hi Listers,

 

Sorry, found the problem right after pressing send.  Should have been
(Plural forms)

 

    Forms!frmSite!sfrEquipment.Requery

 

Also found Form_frmSite in the Object Browser so that solves that as well.

 

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand

 

 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Nov 12 01:12:32 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 00:12:32 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] Sayonara
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gr2Dy8rfBxS7bO0N+DWB2YDmREPTrKDKGV1_51VecLzQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.635.1478663272.446.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<86F97E91-4675-47D7-BEE6-FFA86A52D63F@holly.arvixe.com>
	<CAEPJO1gr2Dy8rfBxS7bO0N+DWB2YDmREPTrKDKGV1_51VecLzQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1613286745.63543801.1478934752379.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Hang in there Arthur...I hope you out live your Doctors. ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 4:33:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sayonara

Thank you for your kind words. My last mission is to prove the physician
wrong, and to persist for at least a couple more years. ?

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Robert Stewart <rls at webedb.com> wrote:

> Arthur,
>
> As an icon in our world, you will be missed. I have know you since the
> Artful Library
> days. So, it has been a while. You have given freely of your time and
> greatly benefited
> lives that you will never even know about.
>
> We will all try to live up to your example.
>
> Robert
> User Group Leader
> Database and GUI Design Workshop
> Houston, TX
>
> At 09:47 PM 11/8/2016, you wrote:
>
>> > From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
>> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
>> > accessd at databaseadvisors.com>, "Off Topic" <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com
>> >,
>> > "Discussion concerning MS SQL Server" <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisor
>> s.com>
>> > Sent: Sunday, October 9, 2016 2:08:26 PM
>> > Subject: [AccessD] Sayonara
>> >
>> > I have less than 60 days to live, according to the physicians at my
>> > hospital.I just want to say Thanks to you all, for your contributions
>> not
>> > only to me but also this worldwide community that has envigrated me and
>> > made me feel that life was worth living.
>> >
>> > I had a good trip, and now it''s over, within days. Goodbye, my
>> friends. I
>> > don't know how to tell you how much you enhanced my life, but you did.
>> It's
>> > time to say goodbye, and I love you all, and have profited from you all.
>> > Thank you for enhancing my life. Might be a few more days, but this
>> needed
>> > to be said. I met a lot of friends here and this will not be forgotten,
>>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Nov 12 01:20:28 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 00:20:28 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
In-Reply-To: <1A987FEEE767415CB6E00C1DFB95AFC2@XPS>
References: <005201d23af2$1cdedd30$569c9790$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<1A987FEEE767415CB6E00C1DFB95AFC2@XPS>
Message-ID: <144909279.63549733.1478935228001.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Just a note: There are a number of good monitoring programs out there. Some are free and some are very reasonably priced. 

These applications can be used for managing a network's performance. From flaky network cards, hubs, routers and switches to data transfer rates from one computer to another through various programs. If there is any network congestion a good monitoring system should be able to isolate the problem.

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 4:51:09 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted

The problem with this error is that so many things can cause it, and yes,
it's the network in some way.  JET works fine over a solid LAN with little
issue (and note LAN, not a WAN - can't tell you how many people try to run
it over a WAN, which it was never designed for).   Problem is, JET will
complain loudly long before other apps do, so it usually gets blamed for the
problem.

 Besides the wireless issue (high latency), also look for NIC cards that
have power management (go to sleep) and disable that.  Also disable any
diagnostic protocol they might have (card disconnects from the network, runs
its tests, then re-connects, which will drive JET nuts).

 If your using mapped drives, be aware that windows has a built-in timeout
which needs to be disabled.

 Also have them check that DB's are not being virus scanned on the stations
or servers.

 And unlike the others, I don't believe going unbound is really a solution.
If your going to bother to do that, then you might as well not use Access.
And for most apps it would be a total re-write anyway.  

 A SQL Server backend though to replace JET is certainly an option and
usually not too much of a hill to climb.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
David Emerson
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 08:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted

Hi Listers,

 

One of my clients is getting the following error:

"The expression After Update you entered as the event property setting
produced the following error: Your network access was interrupted"

 

Does anyone have any experience with this.  Surfing indicates that it is a
network issue rather than an Access one but I am working with another
company in charge of the hardware and am trying to give them leads.

 

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand

 

 

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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Sat Nov 12 01:43:51 2016
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 20:43:51 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
In-Reply-To: <144909279.63549733.1478935228001.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <005201d23af2$1cdedd30$569c9790$@dalyn.co.nz>	<1A987FEEE767415CB6E00C1DFB95AFC2@XPS>
	<144909279.63549733.1478935228001.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
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Thanks for your postings Jim.  I have passed them to the IT company.  They
are exchanging a switch to see if this makes any difference.  Will let the
group know our findings.

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence
Sent: Saturday, 12 November 2016 8:20 p.m.
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted

Just a note: There are a number of good monitoring programs out there. Some
are free and some are very reasonably priced. 

These applications can be used for managing a network's performance. From
flaky network cards, hubs, routers and switches to data transfer rates from
one computer to another through various programs. If there is any network
congestion a good monitoring system should be able to isolate the problem.

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 4:51:09 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted

The problem with this error is that so many things can cause it, and yes,
it's the network in some way.  JET works fine over a solid LAN with little
issue (and note LAN, not a WAN - can't tell you how many people try to run
it over a WAN, which it was never designed for).   Problem is, JET will
complain loudly long before other apps do, so it usually gets blamed for the
problem.

 Besides the wireless issue (high latency), also look for NIC cards that
have power management (go to sleep) and disable that.  Also disable any
diagnostic protocol they might have (card disconnects from the network, runs
its tests, then re-connects, which will drive JET nuts).

 If your using mapped drives, be aware that windows has a built-in timeout
which needs to be disabled.

 Also have them check that DB's are not being virus scanned on the stations
or servers.

 And unlike the others, I don't believe going unbound is really a solution.
If your going to bother to do that, then you might as well not use Access.
And for most apps it would be a total re-write anyway.  

 A SQL Server backend though to replace JET is certainly an option and
usually not too much of a hill to climb.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
David Emerson
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 08:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted

Hi Listers,

 

One of my clients is getting the following error:

"The expression After Update you entered as the event property setting
produced the following error: Your network access was interrupted"

 

Does anyone have any experience with this.  Surfing indicates that it is a
network issue rather than an Access one but I am working with another
company in charge of the hardware and am trying to give them leads.

 

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand

 

 

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From bill_patten at outlook.com  Sat Nov 12 12:10:43 2016
From: bill_patten at outlook.com (Bill Patten)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 18:10:43 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
In-Reply-To: <144909279.63549733.1478935228001.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <005201d23af2$1cdedd30$569c9790$@dalyn.co.nz><1A987FEEE767415CB6E00C1DFB95AFC2@XPS>
	<144909279.63549733.1478935228001.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
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Hi Jim,

Could you recommend one or two free ones or even inexpensive ones for 
Windows?

Thanks

Bill

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 11:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted

Just a note: There are a number of good monitoring programs out there. Some 
are free and some are very reasonably priced.

These applications can be used for managing a network's performance. From 
flaky network cards, hubs, routers and switches to data transfer rates from 
one computer to another through various programs. If there is any network 
congestion a good monitoring system should be able to isolate the problem.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 4:51:09 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted

The problem with this error is that so many things can cause it, and yes,
it's the network in some way.  JET works fine over a solid LAN with little
issue (and note LAN, not a WAN - can't tell you how many people try to run
it over a WAN, which it was never designed for).   Problem is, JET will
complain loudly long before other apps do, so it usually gets blamed for the
problem.

Besides the wireless issue (high latency), also look for NIC cards that
have power management (go to sleep) and disable that.  Also disable any
diagnostic protocol they might have (card disconnects from the network, runs
its tests, then re-connects, which will drive JET nuts).

If your using mapped drives, be aware that windows has a built-in timeout
which needs to be disabled.

Also have them check that DB's are not being virus scanned on the stations
or servers.

And unlike the others, I don't believe going unbound is really a solution.
If your going to bother to do that, then you might as well not use Access.
And for most apps it would be a total re-write anyway.

A SQL Server backend though to replace JET is certainly an option and
usually not too much of a hill to climb.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
David Emerson
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 08:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted

Hi Listers,



One of my clients is getting the following error:

"The expression After Update you entered as the event property setting
produced the following error: Your network access was interrupted"



Does anyone have any experience with this.  Surfing indicates that it is a
network issue rather than an Access one but I am working with another
company in charge of the hardware and am trying to give them leads.



Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand





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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Nov 12 19:01:44 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 18:01:44 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
In-Reply-To: <CY1PR16MB050631145E87344E6B081FF892BA0@CY1PR16MB0506.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <005201d23af2$1cdedd30$569c9790$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<1A987FEEE767415CB6E00C1DFB95AFC2@XPS>
	<144909279.63549733.1478935228001.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<CY1PR16MB050631145E87344E6B081FF892BA0@CY1PR16MB0506.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
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Hi Bill:

I was scared you would ask that question. It is not because there is any difficulty in finding application that can do the task but there are just so many products that each fill a certain category. None of them is perfect at any price. OTOH, there are some excellent inexpensive and free apps out there. Add to that, there is a whole series of specialty niche products to do a specific function on a network...

Here are a few very fine products:
http://ganglia.info/

https://www.nagios.org/ (runs on windows)

http://www.observium.org/ and hardware/software supported: http://www.observium.org/supported_devices/

https://www.spiceworks.com/free-network-monitoring-management-software/ (runs on Windows)

http://www.zabbix.com/

(* most of the above run on windows via webUI and client components)

The big monitoring software packages can cost upwards of hundreds of thousands. The packages listed here are not all free by fairly inexpensive, have community editions, can run from a browser, off a server, off a Cloud droplet, have a host of features and support a variety of operating systems and can support up to 10K devices. It all depends on what you need and what you can adapt to your network. I have only seen two of the products in the above list running but have heard of them all.

I have a mixed network which I play with. :-) It has servers and desktops hosting Microsoft and Linux products and they all seem to work together. I have noticed, in the industry, now a days, that most desktop machines are Windows and most server/internet/NAS machines are Linux. Protocols are fairly standard so in many cases integration is not that difficult. 

Here is another list of 20 monitoring tools that might be better suited to Windows. I have not used many of them but they are supposed to be good but their range of functionality can be limited and specialized:

http://bit.ly/2g6jOlY

Of course for real down and dirty network protocol analyzer there is nothing like WireShark:

https://www.wireshark.org/ (runs on windows) 
 
I hope this helps.
Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Patten" patten at outlook.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 10:10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted

Hi Jim,

Could you recommend one or two free ones or even inexpensive ones for 
Windows?

Thanks

Bill

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 11:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted

Just a note: There are a number of good monitoring programs out there. Some 
are free and some are very reasonably priced.

These applications can be used for managing a network's performance. From 
flaky network cards, hubs, routers and switches to data transfer rates from 
one computer to another through various programs. If there is any network 
congestion a good monitoring system should be able to isolate the problem.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 4:51:09 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted

The problem with this error is that so many things can cause it, and yes,
it's the network in some way.  JET works fine over a solid LAN with little
issue (and note LAN, not a WAN - can't tell you how many people try to run
it over a WAN, which it was never designed for).   Problem is, JET will
complain loudly long before other apps do, so it usually gets blamed for the
problem.

Besides the wireless issue (high latency), also look for NIC cards that
have power management (go to sleep) and disable that.  Also disable any
diagnostic protocol they might have (card disconnects from the network, runs
its tests, then re-connects, which will drive JET nuts).

If your using mapped drives, be aware that windows has a built-in timeout
which needs to be disabled.

Also have them check that DB's are not being virus scanned on the stations
or servers.

And unlike the others, I don't believe going unbound is really a solution.
If your going to bother to do that, then you might as well not use Access.
And for most apps it would be a total re-write anyway.

A SQL Server backend though to replace JET is certainly an option and
usually not too much of a hill to climb.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
David Emerson
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 08:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted

Hi Listers,



One of my clients is getting the following error:

"The expression After Update you entered as the event property setting
produced the following error: Your network access was interrupted"



Does anyone have any experience with this.  Surfing indicates that it is a
network issue rather than an Access one but I am working with another
company in charge of the hardware and am trying to give them leads.



Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand





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From pcs.accessd at gmail.com  Sun Nov 13 04:49:58 2016
From: pcs.accessd at gmail.com (Borge Hansen)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 18:49:58 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Testing
Message-ID: <CAF+SPM9cx4THUpB48Om2L6AWPj6xRYK75edMPCNyBeiVwE30MA@mail.gmail.com>

Am I getting through?

From paul at wordwright.org  Sun Nov 13 05:08:37 2016
From: paul at wordwright.org (paul)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 11:08:37 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Testing
In-Reply-To: <CAF+SPM9cx4THUpB48Om2L6AWPj6xRYK75edMPCNyBeiVwE30MA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF+SPM9cx4THUpB48Om2L6AWPj6xRYK75edMPCNyBeiVwE30MA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKoNfVuMnvtSCNiNDnMwK47MoiNj4axOcZZk8_E+Vq+92VbPwQ@mail.gmail.com>

You are in London, Borg.
Cheers paul

On 13 November 2016 at 10:49, Borge Hansen <pcs.accessd at gmail.com> wrote:

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From bill_patten at outlook.com  Sun Nov 13 13:58:31 2016
From: bill_patten at outlook.com (Bill Patten)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 19:58:31 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
In-Reply-To: <659227383.64880483.1478998904174.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <005201d23af2$1cdedd30$569c9790$@dalyn.co.nz><1A987FEEE767415CB6E00C1DFB95AFC2@XPS><144909279.63549733.1478935228001.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca><CY1PR16MB050631145E87344E6B081FF892BA0@CY1PR16MB0506.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
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Thanks Jim,

I downloaded Spiceworks and WireShark.

Bill

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jim Lawrence
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 5:01 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted

Hi Bill:

I was scared you would ask that question. It is not because there is any 
difficulty in finding application that can do the task but there are just so 
many products that each fill a certain category. None of them is perfect at 
any price. OTOH, there are some excellent inexpensive and free apps out 
there. Add to that, there is a whole series of specialty niche products to 
do a specific function on a network...

Here are a few very fine products:
http://ganglia.info/

https://www.nagios.org/ (runs on windows)

http://www.observium.org/ and hardware/software supported: 
http://www.observium.org/supported_devices/

https://www.spiceworks.com/free-network-monitoring-management-software/ 
(runs on Windows)

http://www.zabbix.com/

(* most of the above run on windows via webUI and client components)

The big monitoring software packages can cost upwards of hundreds of 
thousands. The packages listed here are not all free by fairly inexpensive, 
have community editions, can run from a browser, off a server, off a Cloud 
droplet, have a host of features and support a variety of operating systems 
and can support up to 10K devices. It all depends on what you need and what 
you can adapt to your network. I have only seen two of the products in the 
above list running but have heard of them all.

I have a mixed network which I play with. :-) It has servers and desktops 
hosting Microsoft and Linux products and they all seem to work together. I 
have noticed, in the industry, now a days, that most desktop machines are 
Windows and most server/internet/NAS machines are Linux. Protocols are 
fairly standard so in many cases integration is not that difficult.

Here is another list of 20 monitoring tools that might be better suited to 
Windows. I have not used many of them but they are supposed to be good but 
their range of functionality can be limited and specialized:

http://bit.ly/2g6jOlY

Of course for real down and dirty network protocol analyzer there is nothing 
like WireShark:

https://www.wireshark.org/ (runs on windows)

I hope this helps.
Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Patten" patten at outlook.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 10:10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted

Hi Jim,

Could you recommend one or two free ones or even inexpensive ones for
Windows?

Thanks

Bill

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 11:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted

Just a note: There are a number of good monitoring programs out there. Some
are free and some are very reasonably priced.

These applications can be used for managing a network's performance. From
flaky network cards, hubs, routers and switches to data transfer rates from
one computer to another through various programs. If there is any network
congestion a good monitoring system should be able to isolate the problem.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 4:51:09 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted

The problem with this error is that so many things can cause it, and yes,
it's the network in some way.  JET works fine over a solid LAN with little
issue (and note LAN, not a WAN - can't tell you how many people try to run
it over a WAN, which it was never designed for).   Problem is, JET will
complain loudly long before other apps do, so it usually gets blamed for the
problem.

Besides the wireless issue (high latency), also look for NIC cards that
have power management (go to sleep) and disable that.  Also disable any
diagnostic protocol they might have (card disconnects from the network, runs
its tests, then re-connects, which will drive JET nuts).

If your using mapped drives, be aware that windows has a built-in timeout
which needs to be disabled.

Also have them check that DB's are not being virus scanned on the stations
or servers.

And unlike the others, I don't believe going unbound is really a solution.
If your going to bother to do that, then you might as well not use Access.
And for most apps it would be a total re-write anyway.

A SQL Server backend though to replace JET is certainly an option and
usually not too much of a hill to climb.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
David Emerson
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 08:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted

Hi Listers,



One of my clients is getting the following error:

"The expression After Update you entered as the event property setting
produced the following error: Your network access was interrupted"



Does anyone have any experience with this.  Surfing indicates that it is a
network issue rather than an Access one but I am working with another
company in charge of the hardware and am trying to give them leads.



Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand





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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Nov 13 15:07:26 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 07:07:26 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Testing
In-Reply-To: <CAKoNfVuMnvtSCNiNDnMwK47MoiNj4axOcZZk8_E+Vq+92VbPwQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF+SPM9cx4THUpB48Om2L6AWPj6xRYK75edMPCNyBeiVwE30MA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAKoNfVuMnvtSCNiNDnMwK47MoiNj4axOcZZk8_E+Vq+92VbPwQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5828D60E.21264.37DDD222@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Borge's not in London, you are :)


On 13 Nov 2016 at 11:08, paul wrote:

> You are in London, Borg.
> Cheers paul
> 
> On 13 November 2016 at 10:49, Borge Hansen <pcs.accessd at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > Am I getting through?
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From paul at wordwright.org  Sun Nov 13 15:40:41 2016
From: paul at wordwright.org (paul)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 21:40:41 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Testing
In-Reply-To: <5828D60E.21264.37DDD222@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CAF+SPM9cx4THUpB48Om2L6AWPj6xRYK75edMPCNyBeiVwE30MA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKoNfVuMnvtSCNiNDnMwK47MoiNj4axOcZZk8_E+Vq+92VbPwQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5828D60E.21264.37DDD222@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAKoNfVutaLBsbcLJ8K5fW5DtcCfhB7t+t0ThWEh2ifBAM1L79w@mail.gmail.com>

:) Thanks, Stuart. You're right. Well, I  think you are. As I struggle with
a new chapter, I have to confess that I only I think I know I'm here. What
is certain, though, is that I don't know where Borge might be.

However, to spell it out, just in case anyone else is confused:

Borge asked, 'Am I getting through?' So I let him know that he was getting
through, at least as far as London.

A thread like this, of course, could go on forever. Hopefully, Borge gained
the advice he wanted.

Cheers, Stuart
paul

On 13 November 2016 at 21:07, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
wrote:

> Borge's not in London, you are :)
>
>
> On 13 Nov 2016 at 11:08, paul wrote:
>
> > You are in London, Borg.
> > Cheers paul
> >
> > On 13 November 2016 at 10:49, Borge Hansen <pcs.accessd at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Nov 13 17:08:19 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 16:08:19 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
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Hi Bill:

Oh, good. Keep me posted of your success.

Jim

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Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 11:58:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted

Thanks Jim,

I downloaded Spiceworks and WireShark.

Bill

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jim Lawrence
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 5:01 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted

Hi Bill:

I was scared you would ask that question. It is not because there is any 
difficulty in finding application that can do the task but there are just so 
many products that each fill a certain category. None of them is perfect at 
any price. OTOH, there are some excellent inexpensive and free apps out 
there. Add to that, there is a whole series of specialty niche products to 
do a specific function on a network...

Here are a few very fine products:
http://ganglia.info/

https://www.nagios.org/ (runs on windows)

http://www.observium.org/ and hardware/software supported: 
http://www.observium.org/supported_devices/

https://www.spiceworks.com/free-network-monitoring-management-software/ 
(runs on Windows)

http://www.zabbix.com/

(* most of the above run on windows via webUI and client components)

The big monitoring software packages can cost upwards of hundreds of 
thousands. The packages listed here are not all free by fairly inexpensive, 
have community editions, can run from a browser, off a server, off a Cloud 
droplet, have a host of features and support a variety of operating systems 
and can support up to 10K devices. It all depends on what you need and what 
you can adapt to your network. I have only seen two of the products in the 
above list running but have heard of them all.

I have a mixed network which I play with. :-) It has servers and desktops 
hosting Microsoft and Linux products and they all seem to work together. I 
have noticed, in the industry, now a days, that most desktop machines are 
Windows and most server/internet/NAS machines are Linux. Protocols are 
fairly standard so in many cases integration is not that difficult.

Here is another list of 20 monitoring tools that might be better suited to 
Windows. I have not used many of them but they are supposed to be good but 
their range of functionality can be limited and specialized:

http://bit.ly/2g6jOlY

Of course for real down and dirty network protocol analyzer there is nothing 
like WireShark:

https://www.wireshark.org/ (runs on windows)

I hope this helps.
Jim

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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted

Hi Jim,

Could you recommend one or two free ones or even inexpensive ones for
Windows?

Thanks

Bill

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 11:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted

Just a note: There are a number of good monitoring programs out there. Some
are free and some are very reasonably priced.

These applications can be used for managing a network's performance. From
flaky network cards, hubs, routers and switches to data transfer rates from
one computer to another through various programs. If there is any network
congestion a good monitoring system should be able to isolate the problem.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 4:51:09 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted

The problem with this error is that so many things can cause it, and yes,
it's the network in some way.  JET works fine over a solid LAN with little
issue (and note LAN, not a WAN - can't tell you how many people try to run
it over a WAN, which it was never designed for).   Problem is, JET will
complain loudly long before other apps do, so it usually gets blamed for the
problem.

Besides the wireless issue (high latency), also look for NIC cards that
have power management (go to sleep) and disable that.  Also disable any
diagnostic protocol they might have (card disconnects from the network, runs
its tests, then re-connects, which will drive JET nuts).

If your using mapped drives, be aware that windows has a built-in timeout
which needs to be disabled.

Also have them check that DB's are not being virus scanned on the stations
or servers.

And unlike the others, I don't believe going unbound is really a solution.
If your going to bother to do that, then you might as well not use Access.
And for most apps it would be a total re-write anyway.

A SQL Server backend though to replace JET is certainly an option and
usually not too much of a hill to climb.

Jim.

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David Emerson
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 08:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted

Hi Listers,



One of my clients is getting the following error:

"The expression After Update you entered as the event property setting
produced the following error: Your network access was interrupted"



Does anyone have any experience with this.  Surfing indicates that it is a
network issue rather than an Access one but I am working with another
company in charge of the hardware and am trying to give them leads.



Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand





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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Nov 14 01:09:31 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 07:09:31 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Testing
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Hi Paul

We have some jokes here about (missing) commas which turn things upside-down, much like yours:

> You are, in London, Borg.

/gustav

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Sendt: 13. november 2016 22:41
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Emne: Re: [AccessD] Testing

:) Thanks, Stuart. You're right. Well, I  think you are. As I struggle with a new chapter, I have to confess that I only I think I know I'm here. What is certain, though, is that I don't know where Borge might be.

However, to spell it out, just in case anyone else is confused:

Borge asked, 'Am I getting through?' So I let him know that he was getting through, at least as far as London.

A thread like this, of course, could go on forever. Hopefully, Borge gained the advice he wanted.

Cheers, Stuart
paul

On 13 November 2016 at 21:07, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
wrote:

> Borge's not in London, you are :)
>
>
> On 13 Nov 2016 at 11:08, paul wrote:
>
> > You are in London, Borg.
> > Cheers paul
> >
> > On 13 November 2016 at 10:49, Borge Hansen <pcs.accessd at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Am I getting through? 


From paul at wordwright.org  Mon Nov 14 03:54:11 2016
From: paul at wordwright.org (paul)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:54:11 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Testing
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I hopeI haven't confused anyone, Gustav - especially as I teach English,
too.

I was about to spell out the way the punctuation works in both cases, yours
and mine. However, I think it will just add confusion. Allow me instead to
declare that both are correct.

If English is not your mother tongue, you'll certainly know how very
strange and contradictory this language is. It amazes me that it has become
the international language. So many other languages have rules which are
always followed. English, it seems to me, has new rules created for it
almost daily. Listen (though not recommended) to the way the supporters of
the, er, president elect over the Pond use the language.

Cheers, Gustav
paul

On 14 November 2016 at 07:09, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Paul
>
> We have some jokes here about (missing) commas which turn things
> upside-down, much like yours:
>
> > You are, in London, Borg.
>
> /gustav
>
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> paul
> Sendt: 13. november 2016 22:41
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Testing
>
> :) Thanks, Stuart. You're right. Well, I  think you are. As I struggle
> with a new chapter, I have to confess that I only I think I know I'm here.
> What is certain, though, is that I don't know where Borge might be.
>
> However, to spell it out, just in case anyone else is confused:
>
> Borge asked, 'Am I getting through?' So I let him know that he was getting
> through, at least as far as London.
>
> A thread like this, of course, could go on forever. Hopefully, Borge
> gained the advice he wanted.
>
> Cheers, Stuart
> paul
>
> On 13 November 2016 at 21:07, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> wrote:
>
> > Borge's not in London, you are :)
> >
> >
> > On 13 Nov 2016 at 11:08, paul wrote:
> >
> > > You are in London, Borg.
> > > Cheers paul
> > >
> > > On 13 November 2016 at 10:49, Borge Hansen <pcs.accessd at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Am I getting through?
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From pcs.accessd at gmail.com  Mon Nov 14 03:55:28 2016
From: pcs.accessd at gmail.com (Borge Hansen)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:55:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [AccessD] Testing
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The question was: Am I getting through?Haha!?It appears I am in PNG and DK as well.?Here are two commas: , , - place them as you like. :)
I wanted to confirm that I receive a copy in my inbox of any posting that I have made.?I have two recent postings that never made it to my inbox about how to replicate a certain Access update query in MS SQL - will send again .../borge?


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On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 3:12 PM +0800, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:










Hi Paul

We have some jokes here about (missing) commas which turn things upside-down, much like yours:

> You are, in London, Borg.

/gustav

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Sendt: 13. november 2016 22:41
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Emne: Re: [AccessD] Testing

:) Thanks, Stuart. You're right. Well, I  think you are. As I struggle with a new chapter, I have to confess that I only I think I know I'm here. What is certain, though, is that I don't know where Borge might be.

However, to spell it out, just in case anyone else is confused:

Borge asked, 'Am I getting through?' So I let him know that he was getting through, at least as far as London.

A thread like this, of course, could go on forever. Hopefully, Borge gained the advice he wanted.

Cheers, Stuart
paul

On 13 November 2016 at 21:07, Stuart McLachlan 
wrote:

> Borge's not in London, you are :)
>
>
> On 13 Nov 2016 at 11:08, paul wrote:
>
> > You are in London, Borg.
> > Cheers paul
> >
> > On 13 November 2016 at 10:49, Borge Hansen 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Am I getting through? 

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From pcs.accessd at gmail.com  Mon Nov 14 04:01:53 2016
From: pcs.accessd at gmail.com (Borge Hansen)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 10:01:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [AccessD] Cross Posted - Moving a Access Update Query to MS SQL
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Sending this again.I'm still working on replicating a certain Access update query in MS SQL and this may have the interest of others on the list./borge?
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From: Borge Hansen <pcs.accessd at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 2:26 pm
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cross Posted - Moving a Access Update Query to MS SQL
To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>, Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>


Hi all,

It appears that this article addresses the issue:

https://www.simple-talk.com/sql/t-sql-programming/concatenating-row-values-in-transact-sql/

Posting it here in case others may run into the same problem.

/borge

On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:06 PM, Borge Hansen <pcs.accessd at gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,

MS Access 2010
SQL 2014 Express

I have trouble in moving a simple Access update query to MS SQL Server syntax

To exemplify: two tables:

tblMerged
UFN? (PK, Number / Integer)
MergedData (Memo)

Sample Data:
10,
20,
30


tblSource
ID (PK, Number / Integer)
UFN (FK, Number / Integer)
SourceData (Text, 255)
SelectFlag (Boolean)

Sample Data:
ID??? UFN??? SourceData??? SelectFlag
15??? 10??? 10_Text_1??? False
14??? 10??? 10_Text_2??? False
3??? 10??? 10_Text_3??? False
40??? 20??? 20_Text_1??? False
39??? 20??? 20_Text_2??? False
11??? 20??? 20_Text_3??? False
70??? 30??? 30_Text_1??? False
68??? 30??? 30_Text_2??? False
65??? 30??? 30_Text_3??? False
101??? 10??? 10_Text_0??? False
102??? 20??? 20_Text_0??? False
103??? 30??? 30_Text_0??? False


The Update Query looks like this:

UPDATE tblMerged AS m 
INNER JOIN tblSource AS s ON m.UFN = s.UFN 
SET m.MergedData = 
IIf(Len([m].[MergedData])>0,
??? [m].[MergedData] & Chr(13) & Chr(10) & [s].[SourceData] & "? >>A? " & "? >>B? " & "? >>C? ",
??? [s].[SourceData] & "? >>A? " & "? >>B? " & "? >>C? "), 
s.SelectFlag = True
WHERE (((s.SelectFlag)=False));


The resulting data set in tblMerged looks like:
UFN??? MergedData
10??? "10_Text_1? >>A??? >>B??? >>C? 
???????? 10_Text_2? >>A??? >>B??? >>C? 
???????? 10_Text_3? >>A??? >>B??? >>C? 
???????? 10_Text_0? >>A??? >>B??? >>C? "
20??? "20_Text_1? >>A??? >>B??? >>C? 
???????? 20_Text_2? >>A??? >>B??? >>C? 
???????? 20_Text_3? >>A??? >>B??? >>C?? 
???????? 20_Text_0? >>A??? >>B??? >>C? "
30??? "30_Text_1? >>A??? >>B??? >>C? 
???????? 30_Text_2? >>A??? >>B??? >>C? 
???????? 30_Text_3? >>A??? >>B??? >>C? 
???????? 30_Text_0? >>A??? >>B??? >>C? "


So, for each record in tblMerged the query iterates over all inner-joined records in tblSource and neatly concatenates all SourceData text strings with a linefeed/linebreak between each text string
AND it updates the second table tblSource as well by setting SelectFlag to True ....

(As an aside: no matter how I set the? sort index of the tblSource.ID - or use a query as the second object in the update query - a query on tblSource with a certain sort order on the records - the resulting text strings in MergedData are always read in and merged in the order the records were added.I would have expected same order as the PK index order of tblSource.ID)


The question I am seeking your help with is How do we do this as a stored procedure in MS SQL : concatenate and merge in the tblMerged and update the SelectFlag in tblSource using one update query ??

I created the update query in a stored procedure in MS SQL as:

UPDATE dbo.tblMerged
SET [MergedData] = 
IIF((LEN(cast([MergedData] as nvarchar(max))))> 0 ,
??? CONCAT(cast([MergedData] as nvarchar(max)) , char(13), char(10) , cs.SourceData, '? >>A? ' ,? '? >>B? ' ,? '? >>C? '),
??? CONCAT([cs].[SourceData] , '? >>A? ' , '? >>B? ' , '? >>C? '))
FROM dbo.tblMerged csm 
JOIN tblSource AS cs ON csm.UFN = cs.UFN 
;


The update query appears to only act on one record from tblSource 
- and we are not able to update the SelectFlag - (hence no WHERE (((s.SelectFlag)=0)) clause in the MS SQL )

The result of the update query on tblMerged:

UFN??? MergedData
10??? 10_Text_2? >>A??? >>B??? >>C? 
20??? 20_Text_0? >>A??? >>B??? >>C? 
30??? 30_Text_3? >>A??? >>B??? >>C? 


A simple thing to do in Access SQL/Query - in MS SQL Server ???

Any help appreciated...

/borge



















	

From paul at wordwright.org  Mon Nov 14 04:02:07 2016
From: paul at wordwright.org (paul)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 10:02:07 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Testing
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:) !!

On 14 November 2016 at 09:55, Borge Hansen <pcs.accessd at gmail.com> wrote:

> The question was: Am I getting through?Haha! It appears I am in PNG and DK
> as well. Here are two commas: , , - place them as you like. :)
> I wanted to confirm that I receive a copy in my inbox of any posting that
> I have made. I have two recent postings that never made it to my inbox
> about how to replicate a certain Access update query in MS SQL - will send
> again .../borge
>
>
> Get Outlook for iOS
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 3:12 PM +0800, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Paul
>
> We have some jokes here about (missing) commas which turn things
> upside-down, much like yours:
>
> > You are, in London, Borg.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af
> paul
> Sendt: 13. november 2016 22:41
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Testing
>
> :) Thanks, Stuart. You're right. Well, I  think you are. As I struggle
> with a new chapter, I have to confess that I only I think I know I'm here.
> What is certain, though, is that I don't know where Borge might be.
>
> However, to spell it out, just in case anyone else is confused:
>
> Borge asked, 'Am I getting through?' So I let him know that he was getting
> through, at least as far as London.
>
> A thread like this, of course, could go on forever. Hopefully, Borge
> gained the advice he wanted.
>
> Cheers, Stuart
> paul
>
> On 13 November 2016 at 21:07, Stuart McLachlan
> wrote:
>
> > Borge's not in London, you are :)
> >
> >
> > On 13 Nov 2016 at 11:08, paul wrote:
> >
> > > You are in London, Borg.
> > > Cheers paul
> > >
> > > On 13 November 2016 at 10:49, Borge Hansen
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Am I getting through?
>
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From df.waters at outlook.com  Mon Nov 14 07:50:36 2016
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 13:50:36 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Testing
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Many of us like to create our own extensions when using Visual Studio.  The English language (at least in the US) allows the same thing.  We can create a new word or phrase whenever the old words are too complicated or simply don't do the job!  

Dan

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From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of paul
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 03:54
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Testing

I hopeI haven't confused anyone, Gustav - especially as I teach English, too.

I was about to spell out the way the punctuation works in both cases, yours and mine. However, I think it will just add confusion. Allow me instead to declare that both are correct.

If English is not your mother tongue, you'll certainly know how very strange and contradictory this language is. It amazes me that it has become the international language. So many other languages have rules which are always followed. English, it seems to me, has new rules created for it almost daily. Listen (though not recommended) to the way the supporters of the, er, president elect over the Pond use the language.

Cheers, Gustav
paul

On 14 November 2016 at 07:09, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Paul
>
> We have some jokes here about (missing) commas which turn things 
> upside-down, much like yours:
>
> > You are, in London, Borg.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af 
> paul
> Sendt: 13. november 2016 22:41
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving < 
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Testing
>
> :) Thanks, Stuart. You're right. Well, I  think you are. As I struggle 
> with a new chapter, I have to confess that I only I think I know I'm here.
> What is certain, though, is that I don't know where Borge might be.
>
> However, to spell it out, just in case anyone else is confused:
>
> Borge asked, 'Am I getting through?' So I let him know that he was 
> getting through, at least as far as London.
>
> A thread like this, of course, could go on forever. Hopefully, Borge 
> gained the advice he wanted.
>
> Cheers, Stuart
> paul
>
> On 13 November 2016 at 21:07, Stuart McLachlan 
> <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> wrote:
>
> > Borge's not in London, you are :)
> >
> >
> > On 13 Nov 2016 at 11:08, paul wrote:
> >
> > > You are in London, Borg.
> > > Cheers paul
> > >
> > > On 13 November 2016 at 10:49, Borge Hansen <pcs.accessd at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Am I getting through?
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Nov 14 10:31:50 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 08:31:50 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Allow edits = False is Allowing Edits!
Message-ID: <04cf01d23e94$9a3b86c0$ceb29440$@bchacc.com>

Dear Lists:

 

(Access 2010, Windows 10, all bound forms)

 

Client wants one user to not be able to add change delete any data except
for one field in one form.  No worries.  I already have hooks in for Access
level per user (read only, read/write, administrator). And there's not many
forms and only a few that have data entry/edit. So I made a new access level
- 2. (1 is read only, three is read/write). Since the client wasn't using
these controls that change was easy.

 

So in the dirty event of those forms I put:

 

Private Sub Form_Dirty(Cancel As Integer)

 

If gintAccessLevel < 3 Then

    MsgBox "Read Write Access Required", , vbExclamation

    Cancel = True

End If

 

End Sub

 

And that works perfectly for all of them.  Except for three. (Which are all
similar but attached to different table. )

 

So I cleverly modified the Dirty event of this form to read 

 

Private Sub Form_Dirty(Cancel As Integer)

    MsgBox "!"

If gintAccessLevel < 3 Then

    MsgBox "Read Write Access Required", , vbExclamation

    Cancel = True

End If

 

End Sub

 

And after entering a number and leaving that field.No ! appears.  A
breakpoint on the MsgBox statement confirms that the dirty event is not
triggering.

 

 

But there's more than one way to skin a cat. So in the open event of one of
those forms I put:

 

If gintAccessLevel < 3 Then

    Me.AllowAdditions = False

    Me.AllowEdits = False

    Me.AllowDeletions = False

Else

    Me.AllowAdditions = True

    Me.AllowEdits = True

    Me.AllowDeletions = True

End If

 

Poop!  Still allows editing.

 

Could the allow edits property be getting changed? So in the after update
event of one of the fields I put:

 

Private Sub fldSocietyCourseOfferingNumberOfParticipants_AfterUpdate()

    MsgBox Me.AllowEdits

End Sub

 

And when I put something into the
fldSocietyCourseOfferingNumberOfParticipants the message read False!

 

And yet, it will save that value.

 

So I changed the code in the after update event of
fldSocietyCourseOfferingNumberOfParticipants to read:

 

Private Sub fldSocietyCourseOfferingNumberOfParticipants_AfterUpdate()

    

    MsgBox "! " & gintAccessLevel

If gintAccessLevel < 3 Then

    MsgBox "Read Write Access Required", , vbExclamation

    Me.undo

End If

 

End Sub

 

And it obediently prints ! 2.  And that works - it undoes the change.  But I
would not like to have to put that code in the after update event of every
field on the three recalcitrant forms.

 

So now, of course, I'm looking for some either obvious or obscure reason why
these three forms are misbehaving.  Any suggestions welcome

 

MTIA

 

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

 <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com

 <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com

Skype: rocky.smolin

 

 


From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Mon Nov 14 11:03:30 2016
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 17:03:30 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Allow edits = False is Allowing Edits!
In-Reply-To: <04cf01d23e94$9a3b86c0$ceb29440$@bchacc.com>
References: <04cf01d23e94$9a3b86c0$ceb29440$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <BL2P115MB00036C110865EBBD1A1CA7CE9CBC0@BL2P115MB0003.NAMP115.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

I seem to recall that if, when a form was opened, any change in code to any bound data field would result in the AllowEdits property being ignored.  Is there any automatic "editing" of new records going on? Adding a date edited value or anything like that?


Lambert? 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 11:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Allow edits = False is Allowing Edits!

Dear Lists:

 

(Access 2010, Windows 10, all bound forms)

 

Client wants one user to not be able to add change delete any data except for one field in one form.  No worries.  I already have hooks in for Access level per user (read only, read/write, administrator). And there's not many forms and only a few that have data entry/edit. So I made a new access level
- 2. (1 is read only, three is read/write). Since the client wasn't using these controls that change was easy.

 

So in the dirty event of those forms I put:

 

Private Sub Form_Dirty(Cancel As Integer)

 

If gintAccessLevel < 3 Then

    MsgBox "Read Write Access Required", , vbExclamation

    Cancel = True

End If

 

End Sub

 

And that works perfectly for all of them.  Except for three. (Which are all similar but attached to different table. )

 

So I cleverly modified the Dirty event of this form to read 

 

Private Sub Form_Dirty(Cancel As Integer)

    MsgBox "!"

If gintAccessLevel < 3 Then

    MsgBox "Read Write Access Required", , vbExclamation

    Cancel = True

End If

 

End Sub

 

And after entering a number and leaving that field.No ! appears.  A breakpoint on the MsgBox statement confirms that the dirty event is not triggering.

 

 

But there's more than one way to skin a cat. So in the open event of one of those forms I put:

 

If gintAccessLevel < 3 Then

    Me.AllowAdditions = False

    Me.AllowEdits = False

    Me.AllowDeletions = False

Else

    Me.AllowAdditions = True

    Me.AllowEdits = True

    Me.AllowDeletions = True

End If

 

Poop!  Still allows editing.

 

Could the allow edits property be getting changed? So in the after update event of one of the fields I put:

 

Private Sub fldSocietyCourseOfferingNumberOfParticipants_AfterUpdate()

    MsgBox Me.AllowEdits

End Sub

 

And when I put something into the
fldSocietyCourseOfferingNumberOfParticipants the message read False!

 

And yet, it will save that value.

 

So I changed the code in the after update event of fldSocietyCourseOfferingNumberOfParticipants to read:

 

Private Sub fldSocietyCourseOfferingNumberOfParticipants_AfterUpdate()

    

    MsgBox "! " & gintAccessLevel

If gintAccessLevel < 3 Then

    MsgBox "Read Write Access Required", , vbExclamation

    Me.undo

End If

 

End Sub

 

And it obediently prints ! 2.  And that works - it undoes the change.  But I would not like to have to put that code in the after update event of every field on the three recalcitrant forms.

 

So now, of course, I'm looking for some either obvious or obscure reason why these three forms are misbehaving.  Any suggestions welcome

 

MTIA

 

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

 <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com

 <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com

Skype: rocky.smolin

 

 

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Nov 14 11:17:32 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:17:32 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Allow edits = False is Allowing Edits!
In-Reply-To: <BL2P115MB00036C110865EBBD1A1CA7CE9CBC0@BL2P115MB0003.NAMP115.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <04cf01d23e94$9a3b86c0$ceb29440$@bchacc.com>
	<BL2P115MB00036C110865EBBD1A1CA7CE9CBC0@BL2P115MB0003.NAMP115.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <04f001d23e9a$fc63f2a0$f52bd7e0$@bchacc.com>

No automatic editing.

R


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 9:04 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Allow edits = False is Allowing Edits!

I seem to recall that if, when a form was opened, any change in code to any
bound data field would result in the AllowEdits property being ignored.  Is
there any automatic "editing" of new records going on? Adding a date edited
value or anything like that?


Lambert? 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 11:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Allow edits = False is Allowing Edits!

Dear Lists:

 

(Access 2010, Windows 10, all bound forms)

 

Client wants one user to not be able to add change delete any data except
for one field in one form.  No worries.  I already have hooks in for Access
level per user (read only, read/write, administrator). And there's not many
forms and only a few that have data entry/edit. So I made a new access level
- 2. (1 is read only, three is read/write). Since the client wasn't using
these controls that change was easy.

 

So in the dirty event of those forms I put:

 

Private Sub Form_Dirty(Cancel As Integer)

 

If gintAccessLevel < 3 Then

    MsgBox "Read Write Access Required", , vbExclamation

    Cancel = True

End If

 

End Sub

 

And that works perfectly for all of them.  Except for three. (Which are all
similar but attached to different table. )

 

So I cleverly modified the Dirty event of this form to read 

 

Private Sub Form_Dirty(Cancel As Integer)

    MsgBox "!"

If gintAccessLevel < 3 Then

    MsgBox "Read Write Access Required", , vbExclamation

    Cancel = True

End If

 

End Sub

 

And after entering a number and leaving that field.No ! appears.  A
breakpoint on the MsgBox statement confirms that the dirty event is not
triggering.

 

 

But there's more than one way to skin a cat. So in the open event of one of
those forms I put:

 

If gintAccessLevel < 3 Then

    Me.AllowAdditions = False

    Me.AllowEdits = False

    Me.AllowDeletions = False

Else

    Me.AllowAdditions = True

    Me.AllowEdits = True

    Me.AllowDeletions = True

End If

 

Poop!  Still allows editing.

 

Could the allow edits property be getting changed? So in the after update
event of one of the fields I put:

 

Private Sub fldSocietyCourseOfferingNumberOfParticipants_AfterUpdate()

    MsgBox Me.AllowEdits

End Sub

 

And when I put something into the
fldSocietyCourseOfferingNumberOfParticipants the message read False!

 

And yet, it will save that value.

 

So I changed the code in the after update event of
fldSocietyCourseOfferingNumberOfParticipants to read:

 

Private Sub fldSocietyCourseOfferingNumberOfParticipants_AfterUpdate()

    

    MsgBox "! " & gintAccessLevel

If gintAccessLevel < 3 Then

    MsgBox "Read Write Access Required", , vbExclamation

    Me.undo

End If

 

End Sub

 

And it obediently prints ! 2.  And that works - it undoes the change.  But I
would not like to have to put that code in the after update event of every
field on the three recalcitrant forms.

 

So now, of course, I'm looking for some either obvious or obscure reason why
these three forms are misbehaving.  Any suggestions welcome

 

MTIA

 

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

 <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com

 <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com

Skype: rocky.smolin

 

 

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From kost36 at otenet.gr  Mon Nov 14 13:53:28 2016
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 21:53:28 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Films and photos...
Message-ID: <053601d23eb0$c60de010$5229a030$@otenet.gr>

hi all,
Into a simple subform I keep photos of various films
IdFilms (long Integer) e.g. 9999
PhotoType (Short Text) which contains the words Poster or Shooting Photo or
Film Photo
PictureName (Short Text) like 9999_01 to 9999_xx

What I need is:
1. "after PictureName update" to check if it begins with wrong IdFilms,
getting a warning message
2. If it's possible "after update PhotoType" to get automatically the next
PictureName e.g. 9999_02


thank's
/kostas


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Nov 14 16:56:22 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 08:56:22 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Films and photos...
In-Reply-To: <053601d23eb0$c60de010$5229a030$@otenet.gr>
References: <053601d23eb0$c60de010$5229a030$@otenet.gr>
Message-ID: <582A4116.22864.3D67EB5A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Of the top of my head:

1.
IF VAL(PictureName) <> IdFilms then
Msgbox "Incorrect Picture ID"
END IF
 'Val will return everything up to the first non numeric character
'i.e. Val("9999_01") will return 9999.

2. 
LastPictureName  = DMax("PictureName","tblPictures", _
"PictureName like '" & Left$(PictureName,4) & "*'"

LastPictureID = val(right$(LastPictureName,2))

NextPictureName = Left$(LastPictureName,5) & Format(LastPictureID + 1,"00")

-- 
Stuart


On 14 Nov 2016 at 21:53, Kostas Konstantinidis wrote:

> hi all,
> Into a simple subform I keep photos of various films
> IdFilms (long Integer) e.g. 9999
> PhotoType (Short Text) which contains the words Poster or Shooting
> Photo or Film Photo PictureName (Short Text) like 9999_01 to 9999_xx
> 
> What I need is:
> 1. "after PictureName update" to check if it begins with wrong
> IdFilms, getting a warning message 2. If it's possible "after update
> PhotoType" to get automatically the next PictureName e.g. 9999_02
> 
> 
> thank's
> /kostas
> 
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From kost36 at otenet.gr  Tue Nov 15 04:30:04 2016
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 12:30:04 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Films and photos...
In-Reply-To: <582A4116.22864.3D67EB5A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <053601d23eb0$c60de010$5229a030$@otenet.gr>
	<582A4116.22864.3D67EB5A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <055601d23f2b$3b96fc20$b2c4f460$@otenet.gr>

Hi Stuart,
Thank's for your reply 
The first works perfect, but I can't make the second to work. 

/kostas

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 12:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Films and photos...

Of the top of my head:

1.
IF VAL(PictureName) <> IdFilms then
Msgbox "Incorrect Picture ID"
END IF
 'Val will return everything up to the first non numeric character 'i.e.
Val("9999_01") will return 9999.

2. 
LastPictureName  = DMax("PictureName","tblPictures", _ "PictureName like '"
& Left$(PictureName,4) & "*'"

LastPictureID = val(right$(LastPictureName,2))

NextPictureName = Left$(LastPictureName,5) & Format(LastPictureID + 1,"00")

--
Stuart


On 14 Nov 2016 at 21:53, Kostas Konstantinidis wrote:

> hi all,
> Into a simple subform I keep photos of various films
> IdFilms (long Integer) e.g. 9999
> PhotoType (Short Text) which contains the words Poster or Shooting
> Photo or Film Photo PictureName (Short Text) like 9999_01 to 9999_xx
> 
> What I need is:
> 1. "after PictureName update" to check if it begins with wrong
> IdFilms, getting a warning message 2. If it's possible "after update
> PhotoType" to get automatically the next PictureName e.g. 9999_02
> 
> 
> thank's
> /kostas
> 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Nov 15 05:19:44 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 21:19:44 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Films and photos...
In-Reply-To: <055601d23f2b$3b96fc20$b2c4f460$@otenet.gr>
References: <053601d23eb0$c60de010$5229a030$@otenet.gr>,
	<582A4116.22864.3D67EB5A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<055601d23f2b$3b96fc20$b2c4f460$@otenet.gr>
Message-ID: <582AEF50.31615.40108278@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Thuinking about it, in the After-Update, you still have the value of PictureName, so you can 
simplify it to one line:

NextPictureName = Left$(PictureName,5) & _
 Format(Val(mid$(PictureName,6) +1),"00")



On 15 Nov 2016 at 12:30, Kostas Konstantinidis wrote:

> Hi Stuart,
> Thank's for your reply 
> The first works perfect, but I can't make the second to work. 
> 
> /kostas
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 12:56 AM To:
> Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Films and
> photos...
> 
> Of the top of my head:
> 
> 1.
> IF VAL(PictureName) <> IdFilms then
> Msgbox "Incorrect Picture ID"
> END IF
>  'Val will return everything up to the first non numeric character
>  'i.e.
> Val("9999_01") will return 9999.
> 
> 2. 
> LastPictureName  = DMax("PictureName","tblPictures", _ "PictureName
> like '" & Left$(PictureName,4) & "*'"
> 
> LastPictureID = val(right$(LastPictureName,2))
> 
> NextPictureName = Left$(LastPictureName,5) & Format(LastPictureID +
> 1,"00")
> 
> --
> Stuart
> 
> 
> On 14 Nov 2016 at 21:53, Kostas Konstantinidis wrote:
> 
> > hi all,
> > Into a simple subform I keep photos of various films
> > IdFilms (long Integer) e.g. 9999
> > PhotoType (Short Text) which contains the words Poster or Shooting
> > Photo or Film Photo PictureName (Short Text) like 9999_01 to 9999_xx
> > 
> > What I need is:
> > 1. "after PictureName update" to check if it begins with wrong
> > IdFilms, getting a warning message 2. If it's possible "after update
> > PhotoType" to get automatically the next PictureName e.g. 9999_02
> > 
> > 
> > thank's
> > /kostas
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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Tue Nov 15 10:22:32 2016
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John W. Clark)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 16:22:32 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Perhaps I'm just being a dolt...I hope!
In-Reply-To: <BL2P115MB0003472084D5BF48B03EACA39CB80@BL2P115MB0003.NAMP115.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <CAF+SPM9PFXXjSWFA3cgDRQw8V2cD2Kdh-=EEvfbCqdKfTnjM2w@mail.gmail.com>,
	,
	<BL2P115MB0003472084D5BF48B03EACA39CB80@BL2P115MB0003.NAMP115.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <BY1PR09MB0853D2E9A591483DD3FAE72186BF0@BY1PR09MB0853.namprd09.prod.outlook.com>

I just got back into this believe it or not. I had forgotten that we were off last Friday for Veterans Day, then there was the weekend, and yesterday I was quite busy with other things. I actually still have many other things to do...we're in the middle of rolling out a GroupWise to Exchange conversion...so I just wish this would go away.


As usual I am impressed with the quick and useful tips I received. I will check out the decompile a bit later and see if that helps. I'm thinking the decompile needs to be on the back-end side? I'll get a good backup and try that.


I'll have to verify but I think they are running Access 2013 downstairs. I just recently upgraded to 2016 and the problem follows the same. I believe I'd written this on 2007...not positive, but pretty sure.


I will check the PK data type as well. I don't think it is that because we are able to add data directly to the tables...just not the query, like they've done in the past. It is a great tip though because it could cause me issues down the road.


I'll check the relationships as well...did not do this yet. That tip took me by surprise as I don't generally do this. I'm normally a one-stop shop with all of this, but they basically took something I did, had one of their people alter it, and then kicked it back to me to support it. She basically stole my code and did a half-baked job of things, and then when it began having issues, she proclaimed she really didn't know what she was doing...nice! So, while I don't think it is the case, I never really know for sure, that nobody has messed with things.


Thank for the help...I really do appreciate it. I always do, but more so right now because I don't seem to have the time to explore and play.

________________________________
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of Lambert Heenan <Lambert.Heenan at aig.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 4:53:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; John W. Clark
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Perhaps I'm just being a dolt...I hope!

John,

Did you try to Decompile to application? That can clear up more weirdness that Compact and Repair can...

"X:\FullPathToAccess\MSAcess.exe" "C:\FullPathToyYourFile\somefile.accdb" /decompile



Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Clark
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 3:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Perhaps I'm just being a dolt...I hope!

So...just to clarify something...I did check that I can enter into tables to be sure. Yes, this can be done. Actually in that same field that brought the problem to light, a calendar comes up and you can choose a value that then goes into the field. And you can directly enter it as well.


So I guess the problem is simply, why can I not enter into queries...when I could 2-3 weeks ago?

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Nov 15 11:11:49 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 10:11:49 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] Testing
In-Reply-To: <CAKoNfVuAotoyVbPH6EzsWDBsv8TgE+qabq56a52pyWXdgGw6gw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DB6PR0601MB21986C85BE601DDEE06B578DCABC0@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAKoNfVuAotoyVbPH6EzsWDBsv8TgE+qabq56a52pyWXdgGw6gw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1759068509.70721310.1479229909301.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Like dates: 8/12/2016 is what does this date value represent? 

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "paul" <paul at wordwright.org>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 1:54:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Testing

I hopeI haven't confused anyone, Gustav - especially as I teach English,
too.

I was about to spell out the way the punctuation works in both cases, yours
and mine. However, I think it will just add confusion. Allow me instead to
declare that both are correct.

If English is not your mother tongue, you'll certainly know how very
strange and contradictory this language is. It amazes me that it has become
the international language. So many other languages have rules which are
always followed. English, it seems to me, has new rules created for it
almost daily. Listen (though not recommended) to the way the supporters of
the, er, president elect over the Pond use the language.

Cheers, Gustav
paul

On 14 November 2016 at 07:09, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Paul
>
> We have some jokes here about (missing) commas which turn things
> upside-down, much like yours:
>
> > You are, in London, Borg.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af
> paul
> Sendt: 13. november 2016 22:41
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Testing
>
> :) Thanks, Stuart. You're right. Well, I  think you are. As I struggle
> with a new chapter, I have to confess that I only I think I know I'm here.
> What is certain, though, is that I don't know where Borge might be.
>
> However, to spell it out, just in case anyone else is confused:
>
> Borge asked, 'Am I getting through?' So I let him know that he was getting
> through, at least as far as London.
>
> A thread like this, of course, could go on forever. Hopefully, Borge
> gained the advice he wanted.
>
> Cheers, Stuart
> paul
>
> On 13 November 2016 at 21:07, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> wrote:
>
> > Borge's not in London, you are :)
> >
> >
> > On 13 Nov 2016 at 11:08, paul wrote:
> >
> > > You are in London, Borg.
> > > Cheers paul
> > >
> > > On 13 November 2016 at 10:49, Borge Hansen <pcs.accessd at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Am I getting through?
>
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From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Tue Nov 15 11:35:58 2016
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 17:35:58 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Testing
In-Reply-To: <1759068509.70721310.1479229909301.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <DB6PR0601MB21986C85BE601DDEE06B578DCABC0@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAKoNfVuAotoyVbPH6EzsWDBsv8TgE+qabq56a52pyWXdgGw6gw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1759068509.70721310.1479229909301.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <BL2P115MB000359A7DED6F5157853849A9CBF0@BL2P115MB0003.NAMP115.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Well *obviously* that is the two thousand and sixteenth day of the eighth month of year twelve!

Lambert? :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 12:12 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Testing

Like dates: 8/12/2016 is what does this date value represent? 

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "paul" <paul at wordwright.org>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 1:54:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Testing

I hopeI haven't confused anyone, Gustav - especially as I teach English, too.

I was about to spell out the way the punctuation works in both cases, yours and mine. However, I think it will just add confusion. Allow me instead to declare that both are correct.

If English is not your mother tongue, you'll certainly know how very strange and contradictory this language is. It amazes me that it has become the international language. So many other languages have rules which are always followed. English, it seems to me, has new rules created for it almost daily. Listen (though not recommended) to the way the supporters of the, er, president elect over the Pond use the language.

Cheers, Gustav
paul

On 14 November 2016 at 07:09, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Paul
>
> We have some jokes here about (missing) commas which turn things 
> upside-down, much like yours:
>
> > You are, in London, Borg.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af 
> paul
> Sendt: 13. november 2016 22:41
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving < 
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Testing
>
> :) Thanks, Stuart. You're right. Well, I  think you are. As I struggle 
> with a new chapter, I have to confess that I only I think I know I'm here.
> What is certain, though, is that I don't know where Borge might be.
>
> However, to spell it out, just in case anyone else is confused:
>
> Borge asked, 'Am I getting through?' So I let him know that he was 
> getting through, at least as far as London.
>
> A thread like this, of course, could go on forever. Hopefully, Borge 
> gained the advice he wanted.
>
> Cheers, Stuart
> paul
>
> On 13 November 2016 at 21:07, Stuart McLachlan 
> <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> wrote:
>
> > Borge's not in London, you are :)
> >
> >
> > On 13 Nov 2016 at 11:08, paul wrote:
> >
> > > You are in London, Borg.
> > > Cheers paul
> > >
> > > On 13 November 2016 at 10:49, Borge Hansen <pcs.accessd at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Am I getting through?
>
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From kost36 at otenet.gr  Tue Nov 15 13:01:01 2016
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 21:01:01 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Films and photos...
In-Reply-To: <582AEF50.31615.40108278@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <053601d23eb0$c60de010$5229a030$@otenet.gr>,
	<582A4116.22864.3D67EB5A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<055601d23f2b$3b96fc20$b2c4f460$@otenet.gr>
	<582AEF50.31615.40108278@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <058301d23f72$9ca8b750$d5fa25f0$@otenet.gr>

But what happens for a new film with none registered pictures yet?
So, I guess it must check if there is a picture on that ID_films and then to
calculate the next one till to the last


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 1:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Films and photos...

Thuinking about it, in the After-Update, you still have the value of
PictureName, so you can simplify it to one line:

NextPictureName = Left$(PictureName,5) & _
 Format(Val(mid$(PictureName,6) +1),"00")



On 15 Nov 2016 at 12:30, Kostas Konstantinidis wrote:

> Hi Stuart,
> Thank's for your reply
> The first works perfect, but I can't make the second to work. 
> 
> /kostas
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 12:56 AM To:
> Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Films and 
> photos...
> 
> Of the top of my head:
> 
> 1.
> IF VAL(PictureName) <> IdFilms then
> Msgbox "Incorrect Picture ID"
> END IF
>  'Val will return everything up to the first non numeric character  
> 'i.e.
> Val("9999_01") will return 9999.
> 
> 2. 
> LastPictureName  = DMax("PictureName","tblPictures", _ "PictureName 
> like '" & Left$(PictureName,4) & "*'"
> 
> LastPictureID = val(right$(LastPictureName,2))
> 
> NextPictureName = Left$(LastPictureName,5) & Format(LastPictureID +
> 1,"00")
> 
> --
> Stuart
> 
> 
> On 14 Nov 2016 at 21:53, Kostas Konstantinidis wrote:
> 
> > hi all,
> > Into a simple subform I keep photos of various films IdFilms (long 
> > Integer) e.g. 9999 PhotoType (Short Text) which contains the words 
> > Poster or Shooting Photo or Film Photo PictureName (Short Text) like 
> > 9999_01 to 9999_xx
> > 
> > What I need is:
> > 1. "after PictureName update" to check if it begins with wrong 
> > IdFilms, getting a warning message 2. If it's possible "after update 
> > PhotoType" to get automatically the next PictureName e.g. 9999_02
> > 
> > 
> > thank's
> > /kostas
> > 
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From kost36 at otenet.gr  Tue Nov 15 13:08:39 2016
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 21:08:39 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Films and photos...
In-Reply-To: <582AEF50.31615.40108278@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <053601d23eb0$c60de010$5229a030$@otenet.gr>,
	<582A4116.22864.3D67EB5A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<055601d23f2b$3b96fc20$b2c4f460$@otenet.gr>
	<582AEF50.31615.40108278@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <058401d23f73$adeec120$09cc4360$@otenet.gr>

The form is designed as

SELECT ST_media_ph.aa_st_media, ST_media_ph.ID_films,
ST_media_ph.type_media, ST_media_ph.file_name
FROM MT_films INNER JOIN ST_media_ph ON MT_films.ID_films =
ST_media_ph.ID_films;

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 1:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Films and photos...

Thuinking about it, in the After-Update, you still have the value of
PictureName, so you can simplify it to one line:

NextPictureName = Left$(PictureName,5) & _
 Format(Val(mid$(PictureName,6) +1),"00")



On 15 Nov 2016 at 12:30, Kostas Konstantinidis wrote:

> Hi Stuart,
> Thank's for your reply
> The first works perfect, but I can't make the second to work. 
> 
> /kostas
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 12:56 AM To:
> Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Films and 
> photos...
> 
> Of the top of my head:
> 
> 1.
> IF VAL(PictureName) <> IdFilms then
> Msgbox "Incorrect Picture ID"
> END IF
>  'Val will return everything up to the first non numeric character  
> 'i.e.
> Val("9999_01") will return 9999.
> 
> 2. 
> LastPictureName  = DMax("PictureName","tblPictures", _ "PictureName 
> like '" & Left$(PictureName,4) & "*'"
> 
> LastPictureID = val(right$(LastPictureName,2))
> 
> NextPictureName = Left$(LastPictureName,5) & Format(LastPictureID +
> 1,"00")
> 
> --
> Stuart
> 
> 
> On 14 Nov 2016 at 21:53, Kostas Konstantinidis wrote:
> 
> > hi all,
> > Into a simple subform I keep photos of various films IdFilms (long 
> > Integer) e.g. 9999 PhotoType (Short Text) which contains the words 
> > Poster or Shooting Photo or Film Photo PictureName (Short Text) like 
> > 9999_01 to 9999_xx
> > 
> > What I need is:
> > 1. "after PictureName update" to check if it begins with wrong 
> > IdFilms, getting a warning message 2. If it's possible "after update 
> > PhotoType" to get automatically the next PictureName e.g. 9999_02
> > 
> > 
> > thank's
> > /kostas
> > 
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Tue Nov 15 19:29:53 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 19:29:53 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACF22RC3KWdEkmLp1h8C0yTCgAAAEAAAAHGROvARdZxMsr4V07ouxO0BAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>

Converting a Access 2003 app that was originally an Access97 app to an
Access 2013 app.

Converted the mdbs to 07 accdbs.

It compiles but I get two errors when running the Splash Screen which does
some environment checks and opens the login screen. Any help appreciated.

I'm getting errors on this:
Set prp = dbs.Properties("CheckForLabelPrinter")
1st error occurs here: "Type mismatch"     

If prp = True Then
2nd error occurs here: Object Variable or With block variable not set     

Full form code:
       
' Module     : frmSplash
' Description: environment checks then opens the next screen
' Procedures : Form_Timer
'              InitErrorLog

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Private Sub Form_Timer()
   ' Comments   :
   ' Parameters :  -
   ' Returns    :  -
   
   Dim dbs As Database
   Dim prp As Property
   
   Set dbs = CurrentDb()
   
   On Error GoTo PROC_ERR
   
   'Check to see if database connection is valid
   If CheckForDB("Staff") = True Then
      'Check to see if Dymo Label Printer is installed
      'read database property to see if we should check it
      Set prp = dbs.Properties("CheckForLabelPrinter")
      If prp = True Then
         If Len(DymoAddinPath()) > 0 Then
            gfDymoInstalled = True
         Else
            gfDymoInstalled = False
         End If
      Else
         gfDymoInstalled = False
      End If
      
      ' initialize the error log
      Call InitErrorLog
      
      'Set Registry Name of App Form Settings
      Dim strAppName As String
      
      'lookup the name of the application name and version
      strAppName = DLookup("[fldAppName]", "uSysLicense", "[fldKeyID] = 1")
      RunningProject (strAppName)
      
      'Check to see if we can bypass login procedure because they are logged
into the OS
      If GetStaffName() = True Then
         'OK skip login procedures
         DoCmd.OpenForm "fmnuMainMenu", acNormal, "", "", acEdit, acNormal
      Else
         'Can't find them in the Staff table, make them login
         DoCmd.OpenForm "frmLogin", acNormal, "", "", acEdit, acNormal
      End If
   End If

   DoCmd.Close acForm, "frmSplash"
   Exit Sub
   
PROC_ERR:
   MsgBox "The following error occurred: " & Error$
   Resume Next
   
End Sub

Private Sub InitErrorLog()
   ' Comments   :
   ' Parameters :  -
   ' Returns    :  -
   
   On Error GoTo PROC_ERR
   ' initialize the error log.
   
   Dim fOk As Boolean
   
   fOk = ERH_Initialize_TSB()
   If Not fOk Then
      Beep
      MsgBox "Could not initialize error handler, application will exit."
      End
   End If
   
   Exit Sub
   
PROC_ERR:
   MsgBox "The following error occurred: " & Error$
   Resume Next
   
End Sub
       


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Nov 15 19:50:53 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 11:50:53 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACF22RC3KWdEkmLp1h8C0yTCgAAAEAAAAHGROvARdZxMsr4V07ouxO0BAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACF22RC3KWdEkmLp1h8C0yTCgAAAEAAAAHGROvARdZxMsr4V07ouxO0BAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <582BBB7D.2746.432E12B6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Just a WAG.  Try Dim dbs As DAO.Database.

Without the DAO, you can get strange error messages when trying to access properties.



On 15 Nov 2016 at 19:29, John R Bartow wrote:

> Dim dbs As Database



From jbartow at winhaven.net  Tue Nov 15 23:48:15 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 23:48:15 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13
In-Reply-To: <582BBB7D.2746.432E12B6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACF22RC3KWdEkmLp1h8C0yTCgAAAEAAAAHGROvARdZxMsr4V07ouxO0BAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>
	<582BBB7D.2746.432E12B6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <105401d23fcd$06b386c0$141a9440$@winhaven.net>

Good WAG but that didn't do that trick.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 7:51 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13

Just a WAG.  Try Dim dbs As DAO.Database.

Without the DAO, you can get strange error messages when trying to access
properties.



On 15 Nov 2016 at 19:29, John R Bartow wrote:

> Dim dbs As Database


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Nov 16 00:30:24 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 16:30:24 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13
In-Reply-To: <105401d23fcd$06b386c0$141a9440$@winhaven.net>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACF22RC3KWdEkmLp1h8C0yTCgAAAEAAAAHGROvARdZxMsr4V07ouxO0BAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>,
	<582BBB7D.2746.432E12B6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<105401d23fcd$06b386c0$141a9440$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <582BFD00.12923.442DFB16@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Since you've converted the DB, are you sure the property still exists?  



On 15 Nov 2016 at 23:48, John R Bartow wrote:

> Good WAG but that didn't do that trick.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 7:51 PM To:
> Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re:
> [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13
> 
> Just a WAG.  Try Dim dbs As DAO.Database.
> 
> Without the DAO, you can get strange error messages when trying to
> access properties.
> 
> 
> 
> On 15 Nov 2016 at 19:29, John R Bartow wrote:
> 
> > Dim dbs As Database
> 
> 
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Wed Nov 16 01:10:03 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 01:10:03 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13
In-Reply-To: <582BFD00.12923.442DFB16@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACF22RC3KWdEkmLp1h8C0yTCgAAAEAAAAHGROvARdZxMsr4V07ouxO0BAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>,
	<582BBB7D.2746.432E12B6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<105401d23fcd$06b386c0$141a9440$@winhaven.net>
	<582BFD00.12923.442DFB16@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <114801d23fd8$75a43fb0$60ecbf10$@winhaven.net>

That is creating a custom property so it exists as soon as it's made. But to
further that idea, maybe the method of creating a custom property has
changed (or needs to be more implicit in newer versions?)

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 12:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13

Since you've converted the DB, are you sure the property still exists?  



On 15 Nov 2016 at 23:48, John R Bartow wrote:

> Good WAG but that didn't do that trick.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 7:51 PM To:
> Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re:
> [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13
> 
> Just a WAG.  Try Dim dbs As DAO.Database.
> 
> Without the DAO, you can get strange error messages when trying to 
> access properties.
> 
> 
> 
> On 15 Nov 2016 at 19:29, John R Bartow wrote:
> 
> > Dim dbs As Database
> 
> 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Nov 16 01:18:28 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 17:18:28 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13
In-Reply-To: <114801d23fd8$75a43fb0$60ecbf10$@winhaven.net>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACF22RC3KWdEkmLp1h8C0yTCgAAAEAAAAHGROvARdZxMsr4V07ouxO0BAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>,
	<582BFD00.12923.442DFB16@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<114801d23fd8$75a43fb0$60ecbf10$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <582C0844.12941.4459FA2D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

To create a custom property you need to do something like:

Set dbs = CurrentDb
Set prp = dbs.CreateProperty("CheckForLabelPrinter", dbBoolean, True)
dbs.Properties.Append prp


On 16 Nov 2016 at 1:10, John R Bartow wrote:

> That is creating a custom property so it exists as soon as it's made.
> But to further that idea, maybe the method of creating a custom
> property has changed (or needs to be more implicit in newer versions?)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 12:30 AM To:
> Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re:
> [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13
> 
> Since you've converted the DB, are you sure the property still exists?
>  
> 
> 
> 
> On 15 Nov 2016 at 23:48, John R Bartow wrote:
> 
> > Good WAG but that didn't do that trick.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> > Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 7:51 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re:
> > [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13
> > 
> > Just a WAG.  Try Dim dbs As DAO.Database.
> > 
> > Without the DAO, you can get strange error messages when trying to
> > access properties.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 15 Nov 2016 at 19:29, John R Bartow wrote:
> > 
> > > Dim dbs As Database
> > 
> > 
> > --


From jbartow at winhaven.net  Wed Nov 16 01:45:26 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 01:45:26 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13
In-Reply-To: <582C0844.12941.4459FA2D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACF22RC3KWdEkmLp1h8C0yTCgAAAEAAAAHGROvARdZxMsr4V07ouxO0BAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>,
	<582BFD00.12923.442DFB16@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<114801d23fd8$75a43fb0$60ecbf10$@winhaven.net>
	<582C0844.12941.4459FA2D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <115801d23fdd$65889d60$3099d820$@winhaven.net>

Yes, thanks, I cannot find where its created. I'm going to have to go back
into the old version to figure this out. VM time.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 1:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13

To create a custom property you need to do something like:

Set dbs = CurrentDb
Set prp = dbs.CreateProperty("CheckForLabelPrinter", dbBoolean, True)
dbs.Properties.Append prp


On 16 Nov 2016 at 1:10, John R Bartow wrote:

> That is creating a custom property so it exists as soon as it's made.
> But to further that idea, maybe the method of creating a custom 
> property has changed (or needs to be more implicit in newer versions?)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 12:30 AM To:
> Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re:
> [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13
> 
> Since you've converted the DB, are you sure the property still exists?
>  
> 
> 
> 
> On 15 Nov 2016 at 23:48, John R Bartow wrote:
> 
> > Good WAG but that didn't do that trick.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On 
> > Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 7:51 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re:
> > [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13
> > 
> > Just a WAG.  Try Dim dbs As DAO.Database.
> > 
> > Without the DAO, you can get strange error messages when trying to 
> > access properties.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 15 Nov 2016 at 19:29, John R Bartow wrote:
> > 
> > > Dim dbs As Database
> > 
> > 
> > --

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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Nov 16 06:44:44 2016
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 07:44:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACF22RC3KWdEkmLp1h8C0yTCgAAAEAAAAHGROvARdZxMsr4V07ouxO0BAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACF22RC3KWdEkmLp1h8C0yTCgAAAEAAAAHGROvARdZxMsr4V07ouxO0BAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <b77514f6-7c54-0860-46b4-615b33167f39@gmail.com>

My guess is that you have not created the property yet (or set it's 
value) and it is returning a null.  Or you are mis-spelling the property 
name.

IIRC you can iterate the properties collection looking at the property 
names.


On 11/15/2016 8:29 PM, John R Bartow wrote:
> Converting a Access 2003 app that was originally an Access97 app to an
> Access 2013 app.
>
> Converted the mdbs to 07 accdbs.
>
> It compiles but I get two errors when running the Splash Screen which does
> some environment checks and opens the login screen. Any help appreciated.
>
> I'm getting errors on this:
> Set prp = dbs.Properties("CheckForLabelPrinter")
> 1st error occurs here: "Type mismatch"
>
> If prp = True Then
> 2nd error occurs here: Object Variable or With block variable not set
>
> Full form code:
>         
> ' Module     : frmSplash
> ' Description: environment checks then opens the next screen
> ' Procedures : Form_Timer
> '              InitErrorLog
>
> Option Compare Database
> Option Explicit
>
> Private Sub Form_Timer()
>     ' Comments   :
>     ' Parameters :  -
>     ' Returns    :  -
>     
>     Dim dbs As Database
>     Dim prp As Property
>     
>     Set dbs = CurrentDb()
>     
>     On Error GoTo PROC_ERR
>     
>     'Check to see if database connection is valid
>     If CheckForDB("Staff") = True Then
>        'Check to see if Dymo Label Printer is installed
>        'read database property to see if we should check it
>        Set prp = dbs.Properties("CheckForLabelPrinter")
>        If prp = True Then
>           If Len(DymoAddinPath()) > 0 Then
>              gfDymoInstalled = True
>           Else
>              gfDymoInstalled = False
>           End If
>        Else
>           gfDymoInstalled = False
>        End If
>        
>        ' initialize the error log
>        Call InitErrorLog
>        
>        'Set Registry Name of App Form Settings
>        Dim strAppName As String
>        
>        'lookup the name of the application name and version
>        strAppName = DLookup("[fldAppName]", "uSysLicense", "[fldKeyID] = 1")
>        RunningProject (strAppName)
>        
>        'Check to see if we can bypass login procedure because they are logged
> into the OS
>        If GetStaffName() = True Then
>           'OK skip login procedures
>           DoCmd.OpenForm "fmnuMainMenu", acNormal, "", "", acEdit, acNormal
>        Else
>           'Can't find them in the Staff table, make them login
>           DoCmd.OpenForm "frmLogin", acNormal, "", "", acEdit, acNormal
>        End If
>     End If
>
>     DoCmd.Close acForm, "frmSplash"
>     Exit Sub
>     
> PROC_ERR:
>     MsgBox "The following error occurred: " & Error$
>     Resume Next
>     
> End Sub
>
> Private Sub InitErrorLog()
>     ' Comments   :
>     ' Parameters :  -
>     ' Returns    :  -
>     
>     On Error GoTo PROC_ERR
>     ' initialize the error log.
>     
>     Dim fOk As Boolean
>     
>     fOk = ERH_Initialize_TSB()
>     If Not fOk Then
>        Beep
>        MsgBox "Could not initialize error handler, application will exit."
>        End
>     End If
>     
>     Exit Sub
>     
> PROC_ERR:
>     MsgBox "The following error occurred: " & Error$
>     Resume Next
>     
> End Sub
>         
>

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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Nov 16 06:56:31 2016
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 07:56:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13
In-Reply-To: <115801d23fdd$65889d60$3099d820$@winhaven.net>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACF22RC3KWdEkmLp1h8C0yTCgAAAEAAAAHGROvARdZxMsr4V07ouxO0BAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>,
	<582BFD00.12923.442DFB16@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<114801d23fd8$75a43fb0$60ecbf10$@winhaven.net>
	<582C0844.12941.4459FA2D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<115801d23fdd$65889d60$3099d820$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <FD955357FDBB4C538AB02EBE117F635E@XPS>


Sample from the on-line help.

Jim.

' Set property name variable.
strName = "LastUserName"
' Set property value variable.
strValue = InputBox("Please enter your full name")
If SetCustomProperty(strName, dbText, strValue) <> True Then
	' Error occurred trying to set property.
	MsgBox "Error occurred trying to set property."
End If

Function SetCustomProperty(strPropName As String, intPropType _
	As Integer, strPropValue As String) As Integer

	Dim dbs As Database, cnt As Container

Dim doc As Document, prp As Property

	Const conPropertyNotFound = 3270	' Property not found error.
	Set dbs = CurrentDb					' Define
Database object.
	Set cnt = dbs.Containers!Databases	' Define Container object.
	Set doc = cnt.Documents!UserDefined	' Define Document object.
	On Error GoTo SetCustom_Err
	doc.Properties.Refresh
	' Set custom property name. If error occurs here it means
	' property doesn't exist and needs to be created and appended

' to Properties collection of Document object.
	Set prp = doc.Properties(strPropName)
	prp = strPropValue					' Set custom
property value.
	SetCustomProperty = True

SetCustom_Bye:
	Exit Function

SetCustom_Err:
	If Err = conPropertyNotFound Then
		Set prp = doc.CreateProperty(strPropName, intPropType,
strPropValue)
		doc.Properties.Append prp		' Append to
collection.
		Resume Next
	Else
' Unknown error.
		SetCustomProperty = False	

Resume SetCustom_Bye
	End If
End Function
 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
John R Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 02:45 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13
Importance: High

Yes, thanks, I cannot find where its created. I'm going to have to go back
into the old version to figure this out. VM time.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 1:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13

To create a custom property you need to do something like:

Set dbs = CurrentDb
Set prp = dbs.CreateProperty("CheckForLabelPrinter", dbBoolean, True)
dbs.Properties.Append prp


On 16 Nov 2016 at 1:10, John R Bartow wrote:

> That is creating a custom property so it exists as soon as it's made.
> But to further that idea, maybe the method of creating a custom 
> property has changed (or needs to be more implicit in newer versions?)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 12:30 AM To:
> Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re:
> [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13
> 
> Since you've converted the DB, are you sure the property still exists?
>  
> 
> 
> 
> On 15 Nov 2016 at 23:48, John R Bartow wrote:
> 
> > Good WAG but that didn't do that trick.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On 
> > Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 7:51 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re:
> > [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13
> > 
> > Just a WAG.  Try Dim dbs As DAO.Database.
> > 
> > Without the DAO, you can get strange error messages when trying to 
> > access properties.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 15 Nov 2016 at 19:29, John R Bartow wrote:
> > 
> > > Dim dbs As Database
> > 
> > 
> > --

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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Nov 16 06:58:52 2016
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 07:58:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13
In-Reply-To: <115801d23fdd$65889d60$3099d820$@winhaven.net>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACF22RC3KWdEkmLp1h8C0yTCgAAAEAAAAHGROvARdZxMsr4V07ouxO0BAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>,
	<582BFD00.12923.442DFB16@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<114801d23fd8$75a43fb0$60ecbf10$@winhaven.net>
	<582C0844.12941.4459FA2D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<115801d23fdd$65889d60$3099d820$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <AF9E146AACF44A2592686436E7E94761@XPS>

Also this, which might make the app a bit more bullet proof depending on
what your using those properties for.

Jim.

Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer)
	Dim strTitle As String, strSubject As String, strAuthor As String

	strTitle = "Title"
	strSubject = "Subject"
	strAuthor = "Author"

	Me!txtTitle = GetSummaryInfo(strTitle)
	Me!txtSubject = GetSummaryInfo(strSubject)
	Me!txtAuthor = GetSummaryInfo(strAuthor)
End Sub

Function GetSummaryInfo(strPropName As String) As String
	Dim dbs As Database, cnt As Container
	Dim doc As Document, prp As Property

	' Property not found error.

Const conPropertyNotFound = 3270
	On Error GoTo GetSummary_Err
	Set dbs = CurrentDb
	Set cnt = dbs.Containers!Databases
	Set doc = cnt.Documents!SummaryInfo
	doc.Properties.Refresh
	GetSummaryInfo = doc.Properties(strPropName)

GetSummary_Bye:
	Exit Function

GetSummary_Err:
	If Err = conPropertyNotFound Then
		Set prp = doc.CreateProperty(strPropName, dbText, "None")
		' Append to collection.
		doc.Properties.Append prp
		Resume
	Else

' Unknown error.
		GetSummaryInfo = ""
		Resume GetSummary_Bye
	End If
End Function 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
John R Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 02:45 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13
Importance: High

Yes, thanks, I cannot find where its created. I'm going to have to go back
into the old version to figure this out. VM time.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 1:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13

To create a custom property you need to do something like:

Set dbs = CurrentDb
Set prp = dbs.CreateProperty("CheckForLabelPrinter", dbBoolean, True)
dbs.Properties.Append prp


On 16 Nov 2016 at 1:10, John R Bartow wrote:

> That is creating a custom property so it exists as soon as it's made.
> But to further that idea, maybe the method of creating a custom 
> property has changed (or needs to be more implicit in newer versions?)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 12:30 AM To:
> Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re:
> [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13
> 
> Since you've converted the DB, are you sure the property still exists?
>  
> 
> 
> 
> On 15 Nov 2016 at 23:48, John R Bartow wrote:
> 
> > Good WAG but that didn't do that trick.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On 
> > Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 7:51 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re:
> > [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13
> > 
> > Just a WAG.  Try Dim dbs As DAO.Database.
> > 
> > Without the DAO, you can get strange error messages when trying to 
> > access properties.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 15 Nov 2016 at 19:29, John R Bartow wrote:
> > 
> > > Dim dbs As Database
> > 
> > 
> > --

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From kost36 at otenet.gr  Wed Nov 16 15:47:28 2016
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 23:47:28 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Films and photos...
In-Reply-To: <058401d23f73$adeec120$09cc4360$@otenet.gr>
References: <053601d23eb0$c60de010$5229a030$@otenet.gr>,
	<582A4116.22864.3D67EB5A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<055601d23f2b$3b96fc20$b2c4f460$@otenet.gr>	<582AEF50.31615.40108278@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<058401d23f73$adeec120$09cc4360$@otenet.gr>
Message-ID: <05f801d24053$07dccda0$179668e0$@otenet.gr>

May be that is not the perfect code but at least it works making the half of
the trick :-))
The last step is missing... 
Does anybody help on how to reset the counter for every of the cases?

Thank's a lot for your time
/kostas

Select Case type_media
    Case Is = "Movie photo"
        If Not IsNull(Me!test) Then
            Me.test.Locked = True
            Me.file_name.Locked = True
        Else
            Me.test.Locked = False
            Me.file_name.Locked = False
            Me.test = Nz(DMax("[Test]", "ST_media_ph", "ID_films = " &
[ID_films]), 0) + 1
            Me.file_name = ID_films & "_" & Me.test & ".jpg"
        End If
    Case Is = "Shooting photo
        If Not IsNull(Me!test) Then
            Me.test.Locked = True
            Me.file_name.Locked = True
        Else
            Me.test.Locked = False
            Me.file_name.Locked = False
            Me.test = Nz(DMax("[Test]", "ST_media_ph", "ID_films = " &
[ID_films]), 0) + 1
            Me.file_name = ID_films & "_g" & Me.test & ".jpg"
        End If
    Case Is = "Poster photo"
        If Not IsNull(Me!test) Then
            Me.test.Locked = True
            Me.file_name.Locked = True
        Else
            Me.test.Locked = False
            Me.file_name.Locked = False
            Me.test = Nz(DMax("[Test]", "ST_media_ph", "ID_films = " &
[ID_films]), 0) + 1
            Me.file_name = ID_films & "_a" & Me.test & ".jpg"
        End If
End Select


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Kostas Konstantinidis
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 9:09 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Films and photos...

The form is designed as

SELECT ST_media_ph.aa_st_media, ST_media_ph.ID_films,
ST_media_ph.type_media, ST_media_ph.file_name FROM MT_films INNER JOIN
ST_media_ph ON MT_films.ID_films = ST_media_ph.ID_films;

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 1:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Films and photos...

Thuinking about it, in the After-Update, you still have the value of
PictureName, so you can simplify it to one line:

NextPictureName = Left$(PictureName,5) & _
 Format(Val(mid$(PictureName,6) +1),"00")



On 15 Nov 2016 at 12:30, Kostas Konstantinidis wrote:

> Hi Stuart,
> Thank's for your reply
> The first works perfect, but I can't make the second to work. 
> 
> /kostas
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 12:56 AM To:
> Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Films and 
> photos...
> 
> Of the top of my head:
> 
> 1.
> IF VAL(PictureName) <> IdFilms then
> Msgbox "Incorrect Picture ID"
> END IF
>  'Val will return everything up to the first non numeric character 
> 'i.e.
> Val("9999_01") will return 9999.
> 
> 2. 
> LastPictureName  = DMax("PictureName","tblPictures", _ "PictureName 
> like '" & Left$(PictureName,4) & "*'"
> 
> LastPictureID = val(right$(LastPictureName,2))
> 
> NextPictureName = Left$(LastPictureName,5) & Format(LastPictureID +
> 1,"00")
> 
> --
> Stuart
> 
> 
> On 14 Nov 2016 at 21:53, Kostas Konstantinidis wrote:
> 
> > hi all,
> > Into a simple subform I keep photos of various films IdFilms (long
> > Integer) e.g. 9999 PhotoType (Short Text) which contains the words 
> > Poster or Shooting Photo or Film Photo PictureName (Short Text) like
> > 9999_01 to 9999_xx
> > 
> > What I need is:
> > 1. "after PictureName update" to check if it begins with wrong 
> > IdFilms, getting a warning message 2. If it's possible "after update 
> > PhotoType" to get automatically the next PictureName e.g. 9999_02
> > 
> > 
> > thank's
> > /kostas
> > 
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Wed Nov 16 17:46:46 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 17:46:46 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13
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	<582BFD00.12923.442DFB16@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<114801d23fd8$75a43fb0$60ecbf10$@winhaven.net>	<582C0844.12941.4459FA2D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<115801d23fdd$65889d60$3099d820$@winhaven.net>
	<AF9E146AACF44A2592686436E7E94761@XPS>
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Thanks again, I'll check into doing this.

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Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 6:59 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13

Also this, which might make the app a bit more bullet proof depending on
what your using those properties for.

Jim.

Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer)
	Dim strTitle As String, strSubject As String, strAuthor As String

	strTitle = "Title"
	strSubject = "Subject"
	strAuthor = "Author"

	Me!txtTitle = GetSummaryInfo(strTitle)
	Me!txtSubject = GetSummaryInfo(strSubject)
	Me!txtAuthor = GetSummaryInfo(strAuthor) End Sub

Function GetSummaryInfo(strPropName As String) As String
	Dim dbs As Database, cnt As Container
	Dim doc As Document, prp As Property

	' Property not found error.

Const conPropertyNotFound = 3270
	On Error GoTo GetSummary_Err
	Set dbs = CurrentDb
	Set cnt = dbs.Containers!Databases
	Set doc = cnt.Documents!SummaryInfo
	doc.Properties.Refresh
	GetSummaryInfo = doc.Properties(strPropName)

GetSummary_Bye:
	Exit Function

GetSummary_Err:
	If Err = conPropertyNotFound Then
		Set prp = doc.CreateProperty(strPropName, dbText, "None")
		' Append to collection.
		doc.Properties.Append prp
		Resume
	Else

' Unknown error.
		GetSummaryInfo = ""
		Resume GetSummary_Bye
	End If
End Function 

-----Original Message-----
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John R Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 02:45 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13
Importance: High

Yes, thanks, I cannot find where its created. I'm going to have to go back
into the old version to figure this out. VM time.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 1:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13

To create a custom property you need to do something like:

Set dbs = CurrentDb
Set prp = dbs.CreateProperty("CheckForLabelPrinter", dbBoolean, True)
dbs.Properties.Append prp


On 16 Nov 2016 at 1:10, John R Bartow wrote:

> That is creating a custom property so it exists as soon as it's made.
> But to further that idea, maybe the method of creating a custom 
> property has changed (or needs to be more implicit in newer versions?)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 12:30 AM To:
> Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re:
> [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13
> 
> Since you've converted the DB, are you sure the property still exists?
>  
> 
> 
> 
> On 15 Nov 2016 at 23:48, John R Bartow wrote:
> 
> > Good WAG but that didn't do that trick.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On 
> > Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 7:51 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re:
> > [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13
> > 
> > Just a WAG.  Try Dim dbs As DAO.Database.
> > 
> > Without the DAO, you can get strange error messages when trying to 
> > access properties.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 15 Nov 2016 at 19:29, John R Bartow wrote:
> > 
> > > Dim dbs As Database
> > 
> > 
> > --

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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Wed Nov 16 17:46:46 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 17:46:46 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13
In-Reply-To: <FD955357FDBB4C538AB02EBE117F635E@XPS>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACF22RC3KWdEkmLp1h8C0yTCgAAAEAAAAHGROvARdZxMsr4V07ouxO0BAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>,
	<582BFD00.12923.442DFB16@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<114801d23fd8$75a43fb0$60ecbf10$@winhaven.net>	<582C0844.12941.4459FA2D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<115801d23fdd$65889d60$3099d820$@winhaven.net>
	<FD955357FDBB4C538AB02EBE117F635E@XPS>
Message-ID: <0b2b01d24063$b62677c0$22736740$@winhaven.net>

Thanks Jim 

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Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 6:57 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13


Sample from the on-line help.

Jim.

' Set property name variable.
strName = "LastUserName"
' Set property value variable.
strValue = InputBox("Please enter your full name") If
SetCustomProperty(strName, dbText, strValue) <> True Then
	' Error occurred trying to set property.
	MsgBox "Error occurred trying to set property."
End If

Function SetCustomProperty(strPropName As String, intPropType _
	As Integer, strPropValue As String) As Integer

	Dim dbs As Database, cnt As Container

Dim doc As Document, prp As Property

	Const conPropertyNotFound = 3270	' Property not found error.
	Set dbs = CurrentDb					' Define
Database object.
	Set cnt = dbs.Containers!Databases	' Define Container object.
	Set doc = cnt.Documents!UserDefined	' Define Document object.
	On Error GoTo SetCustom_Err
	doc.Properties.Refresh
	' Set custom property name. If error occurs here it means
	' property doesn't exist and needs to be created and appended

' to Properties collection of Document object.
	Set prp = doc.Properties(strPropName)
	prp = strPropValue					' Set custom
property value.
	SetCustomProperty = True

SetCustom_Bye:
	Exit Function

SetCustom_Err:
	If Err = conPropertyNotFound Then
		Set prp = doc.CreateProperty(strPropName, intPropType,
strPropValue)
		doc.Properties.Append prp		' Append to
collection.
		Resume Next
	Else
' Unknown error.
		SetCustomProperty = False	

Resume SetCustom_Bye
	End If
End Function
 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
John R Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 02:45 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13
Importance: High

Yes, thanks, I cannot find where its created. I'm going to have to go back
into the old version to figure this out. VM time.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 1:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13

To create a custom property you need to do something like:

Set dbs = CurrentDb
Set prp = dbs.CreateProperty("CheckForLabelPrinter", dbBoolean, True)
dbs.Properties.Append prp


On 16 Nov 2016 at 1:10, John R Bartow wrote:

> That is creating a custom property so it exists as soon as it's made.
> But to further that idea, maybe the method of creating a custom 
> property has changed (or needs to be more implicit in newer versions?)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 12:30 AM To:
> Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re:
> [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13
> 
> Since you've converted the DB, are you sure the property still exists?
>  
> 
> 
> 
> On 15 Nov 2016 at 23:48, John R Bartow wrote:
> 
> > Good WAG but that didn't do that trick.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On 
> > Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 7:51 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re:
> > [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13
> > 
> > Just a WAG.  Try Dim dbs As DAO.Database.
> > 
> > Without the DAO, you can get strange error messages when trying to 
> > access properties.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 15 Nov 2016 at 19:29, John R Bartow wrote:
> > 
> > > Dim dbs As Database
> > 
> > 
> > --

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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Wed Nov 16 17:46:46 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 17:46:46 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13
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	<b77514f6-7c54-0860-46b4-615b33167f39@gmail.com>
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Yes, it appears that is it. Now to research the old code and figure out why.


I was under the impression that only built in properties displayed when
doing this but I will double check. That would be a big help if it did.
Thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
John Colby
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 6:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13

My guess is that you have not created the property yet (or set it's
value) and it is returning a null.  Or you are mis-spelling the property
name.

IIRC you can iterate the properties collection looking at the property
names.


On 11/15/2016 8:29 PM, John R Bartow wrote:
> Converting a Access 2003 app that was originally an Access97 app to an
> Access 2013 app.
>
> Converted the mdbs to 07 accdbs.
>
> It compiles but I get two errors when running the Splash Screen which does
> some environment checks and opens the login screen. Any help appreciated.
>
> I'm getting errors on this:
> Set prp = dbs.Properties("CheckForLabelPrinter")
> 1st error occurs here: "Type mismatch"
>
> If prp = True Then
> 2nd error occurs here: Object Variable or With block variable not set
>
> Full form code:
>         
> ' Module     : frmSplash
> ' Description: environment checks then opens the next screen
> ' Procedures : Form_Timer
> '              InitErrorLog
>
> Option Compare Database
> Option Explicit
>
> Private Sub Form_Timer()
>     ' Comments   :
>     ' Parameters :  -
>     ' Returns    :  -
>     
>     Dim dbs As Database
>     Dim prp As Property
>     
>     Set dbs = CurrentDb()
>     
>     On Error GoTo PROC_ERR
>     
>     'Check to see if database connection is valid
>     If CheckForDB("Staff") = True Then
>        'Check to see if Dymo Label Printer is installed
>        'read database property to see if we should check it
>        Set prp = dbs.Properties("CheckForLabelPrinter")
>        If prp = True Then
>           If Len(DymoAddinPath()) > 0 Then
>              gfDymoInstalled = True
>           Else
>              gfDymoInstalled = False
>           End If
>        Else
>           gfDymoInstalled = False
>        End If
>        
>        ' initialize the error log
>        Call InitErrorLog
>        
>        'Set Registry Name of App Form Settings
>        Dim strAppName As String
>        
>        'lookup the name of the application name and version
>        strAppName = DLookup("[fldAppName]", "uSysLicense", "[fldKeyID] =
1")
>        RunningProject (strAppName)
>        
>        'Check to see if we can bypass login procedure because they are
logged
> into the OS
>        If GetStaffName() = True Then
>           'OK skip login procedures
>           DoCmd.OpenForm "fmnuMainMenu", acNormal, "", "", acEdit,
acNormal
>        Else
>           'Can't find them in the Staff table, make them login
>           DoCmd.OpenForm "frmLogin", acNormal, "", "", acEdit, acNormal
>        End If
>     End If
>
>     DoCmd.Close acForm, "frmSplash"
>     Exit Sub
>     
> PROC_ERR:
>     MsgBox "The following error occurred: " & Error$
>     Resume Next
>     
> End Sub
>
> Private Sub InitErrorLog()
>     ' Comments   :
>     ' Parameters :  -
>     ' Returns    :  -
>     
>     On Error GoTo PROC_ERR
>     ' initialize the error log.
>     
>     Dim fOk As Boolean
>     
>     fOk = ERH_Initialize_TSB()
>     If Not fOk Then
>        Beep
>        MsgBox "Could not initialize error handler, application will exit."
>        End
>     End If
>     
>     Exit Sub
>     
> PROC_ERR:
>     MsgBox "The following error occurred: " & Error$
>     Resume Next
>     
> End Sub
>         
>

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Nov 16 18:26:00 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 10:26:00 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13
In-Reply-To: <0b2c01d24063$b698c190$23ca44b0$@winhaven.net>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACF22RC3KWdEkmLp1h8C0yTCgAAAEAAAAHGROvARdZxMsr4V07ouxO0BAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>,
	<b77514f6-7c54-0860-46b4-615b33167f39@gmail.com>,
	<0b2c01d24063$b698c190$23ca44b0$@winhaven.net>
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Nope, it works for all properties.  This showed me your property after I had created it in a  test 
Db.


For Each prp In dbs.Properties
Debug.Print prp.Name
If prp.Type > 0 Then Debug.Print prp.Value
Next


The conditional is there because otherwise  I got a problem with a property "Connection".



On 16 Nov 2016 at 17:46, John R Bartow wrote:

> Yes, it appears that is it. Now to research the old code and figure
> out why.
> 
> 
> I was under the impression that only built in properties displayed
> when doing this but I will double check. That would be a big help if
> it did. Thanks
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of John Colby Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 6:45 AM To: Access
> Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error
> help with upgrade from A03 to A13
> 
> My guess is that you have not created the property yet (or set it's
> value) and it is returning a null.  Or you are mis-spelling the
> property name.
> 
> IIRC you can iterate the properties collection looking at the property
> names.
> 
> 
> On 11/15/2016 8:29 PM, John R Bartow wrote:
> > Converting a Access 2003 app that was originally an Access97 app to
> > an Access 2013 app.
> >
> > Converted the mdbs to 07 accdbs.
> >
> > It compiles but I get two errors when running the Splash Screen
> > which does some environment checks and opens the login screen. Any
> > help appreciated.
> >
> > I'm getting errors on this:
> > Set prp = dbs.Properties("CheckForLabelPrinter")
> > 1st error occurs here: "Type mismatch"
> >
> > If prp = True Then
> > 2nd error occurs here: Object Variable or With block variable not
> > set
> >
> > Full form code:
> >         
> > ' Module     : frmSplash
> > ' Description: environment checks then opens the next screen
> > ' Procedures : Form_Timer
> > '              InitErrorLog
> >
> > Option Compare Database
> > Option Explicit
> >
> > Private Sub Form_Timer()
> >     ' Comments   :
> >     ' Parameters :  -
> >     ' Returns    :  -
> >     
> >     Dim dbs As Database
> >     Dim prp As Property
> >     
> >     Set dbs = CurrentDb()
> >     
> >     On Error GoTo PROC_ERR
> >     
> >     'Check to see if database connection is valid
> >     If CheckForDB("Staff") = True Then
> >        'Check to see if Dymo Label Printer is installed
> >        'read database property to see if we should check it
> >        Set prp = dbs.Properties("CheckForLabelPrinter")
> >        If prp = True Then
> >           If Len(DymoAddinPath()) > 0 Then
> >              gfDymoInstalled = True
> >           Else
> >              gfDymoInstalled = False
> >           End If
> >        Else
> >           gfDymoInstalled = False
> >        End If
> >        
> >        ' initialize the error log
> >        Call InitErrorLog
> >        
> >        'Set Registry Name of App Form Settings
> >        Dim strAppName As String
> >        
> >        'lookup the name of the application name and version
> >        strAppName = DLookup("[fldAppName]", "uSysLicense",
> >        "[fldKeyID] =
> 1")
> >        RunningProject (strAppName)
> >        
> >        'Check to see if we can bypass login procedure because they
> >        are
> logged
> > into the OS
> >        If GetStaffName() = True Then
> >           'OK skip login procedures
> >           DoCmd.OpenForm "fmnuMainMenu", acNormal, "", "", acEdit,
> acNormal
> >        Else
> >           'Can't find them in the Staff table, make them login
> >           DoCmd.OpenForm "frmLogin", acNormal, "", "", acEdit,
> >           acNormal
> >        End If
> >     End If
> >
> >     DoCmd.Close acForm, "frmSplash"
> >     Exit Sub
> >     
> > PROC_ERR:
> >     MsgBox "The following error occurred: " & Error$
> >     Resume Next
> >     
> > End Sub
> >
> > Private Sub InitErrorLog()
> >     ' Comments   :
> >     ' Parameters :  -
> >     ' Returns    :  -
> >     
> >     On Error GoTo PROC_ERR
> >     ' initialize the error log.
> >     
> >     Dim fOk As Boolean
> >     
> >     fOk = ERH_Initialize_TSB()
> >     If Not fOk Then
> >        Beep
> >        MsgBox "Could not initialize error handler, application will
> >        exit." End
> >     End If
> >     
> >     Exit Sub
> >     
> > PROC_ERR:
> >     MsgBox "The following error occurred: " & Error$
> >     Resume Next
> >     
> > End Sub
> >         
> >
> 
> -- 
> John W. Colby
> 
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Thu Nov 17 00:51:09 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 00:51:09 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13
In-Reply-To: <582CF918.5125.4806B8ED@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACF22RC3KWdEkmLp1h8C0yTCgAAAEAAAAHGROvARdZxMsr4V07ouxO0BAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>,
	<b77514f6-7c54-0860-46b4-615b33167f39@gmail.com>,
	<0b2c01d24063$b698c190$23ca44b0$@winhaven.net>
	<582CF918.5125.4806B8ED@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <0e3201d2409e$fa9847e0$efc8d7a0$@winhaven.net>

Thanks for the confirmation. I searched the net and it was not quite so
clear.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 6:26 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13

Nope, it works for all properties.  This showed me your property after I had
created it in a  test Db.


For Each prp In dbs.Properties
Debug.Print prp.Name
If prp.Type > 0 Then Debug.Print prp.Value
Next


The conditional is there because otherwise  I got a problem with a property
"Connection".



On 16 Nov 2016 at 17:46, John R Bartow wrote:

> Yes, it appears that is it. Now to research the old code and figure
> out why.
> 
> 
> I was under the impression that only built in properties displayed
> when doing this but I will double check. That would be a big help if
> it did. Thanks
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of John Colby Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 6:45 AM To: Access
> Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error
> help with upgrade from A03 to A13
> 
> My guess is that you have not created the property yet (or set it's
> value) and it is returning a null.  Or you are mis-spelling the
> property name.
> 
> IIRC you can iterate the properties collection looking at the property
> names.
> 
> 
> On 11/15/2016 8:29 PM, John R Bartow wrote:
> > Converting a Access 2003 app that was originally an Access97 app to
> > an Access 2013 app.
> >
> > Converted the mdbs to 07 accdbs.
> >
> > It compiles but I get two errors when running the Splash Screen
> > which does some environment checks and opens the login screen. Any
> > help appreciated.
> >
> > I'm getting errors on this:
> > Set prp = dbs.Properties("CheckForLabelPrinter")
> > 1st error occurs here: "Type mismatch"
> >
> > If prp = True Then
> > 2nd error occurs here: Object Variable or With block variable not
> > set
> >
> > Full form code:
> >         
> > ' Module     : frmSplash
> > ' Description: environment checks then opens the next screen
> > ' Procedures : Form_Timer
> > '              InitErrorLog
> >
> > Option Compare Database
> > Option Explicit
> >
> > Private Sub Form_Timer()
> >     ' Comments   :
> >     ' Parameters :  -
> >     ' Returns    :  -
> >     
> >     Dim dbs As Database
> >     Dim prp As Property
> >     
> >     Set dbs = CurrentDb()
> >     
> >     On Error GoTo PROC_ERR
> >     
> >     'Check to see if database connection is valid
> >     If CheckForDB("Staff") = True Then
> >        'Check to see if Dymo Label Printer is installed
> >        'read database property to see if we should check it
> >        Set prp = dbs.Properties("CheckForLabelPrinter")
> >        If prp = True Then
> >           If Len(DymoAddinPath()) > 0 Then
> >              gfDymoInstalled = True
> >           Else
> >              gfDymoInstalled = False
> >           End If
> >        Else
> >           gfDymoInstalled = False
> >        End If
> >        
> >        ' initialize the error log
> >        Call InitErrorLog
> >        
> >        'Set Registry Name of App Form Settings
> >        Dim strAppName As String
> >        
> >        'lookup the name of the application name and version
> >        strAppName = DLookup("[fldAppName]", "uSysLicense",
> >        "[fldKeyID] =
> 1")
> >        RunningProject (strAppName)
> >        
> >        'Check to see if we can bypass login procedure because they
> >        are
> logged
> > into the OS
> >        If GetStaffName() = True Then
> >           'OK skip login procedures
> >           DoCmd.OpenForm "fmnuMainMenu", acNormal, "", "", acEdit,
> acNormal
> >        Else
> >           'Can't find them in the Staff table, make them login
> >           DoCmd.OpenForm "frmLogin", acNormal, "", "", acEdit,
> >           acNormal
> >        End If
> >     End If
> >
> >     DoCmd.Close acForm, "frmSplash"
> >     Exit Sub
> >     
> > PROC_ERR:
> >     MsgBox "The following error occurred: " & Error$
> >     Resume Next
> >     
> > End Sub
> >
> > Private Sub InitErrorLog()
> >     ' Comments   :
> >     ' Parameters :  -
> >     ' Returns    :  -
> >     
> >     On Error GoTo PROC_ERR
> >     ' initialize the error log.
> >     
> >     Dim fOk As Boolean
> >     
> >     fOk = ERH_Initialize_TSB()
> >     If Not fOk Then
> >        Beep
> >        MsgBox "Could not initialize error handler, application will
> >        exit." End
> >     End If
> >     
> >     Exit Sub
> >     
> > PROC_ERR:
> >     MsgBox "The following error occurred: " & Error$
> >     Resume Next
> >     
> > End Sub
> >         
> >
> 
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From bradm at blackforestltd.com  Fri Nov 18 16:18:01 2016
From: bradm at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 22:18:01 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] How to Open an Access accdr file from an Access accdb file
Message-ID: <MWHPR05MB324689AB80D62C4C64A3C70DCFB00@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

All,

I have an Access application (accdb) that currently opens a second accdb with code like this. 

Set MyAccess = CreateObject("Access.Application")
MyAccess.Visible = True
MyAccess.OpenCurrentDatabase ("K:\Test.accdb")

I would like to use an accdr file instead of the accdb file 

"K:\Test.accdr" instead of "K:\Test.accdb" 

I thought that this would be a simple change.  However, when I try this, I receive a message that Access can't open the database.

Is there a way to do this?

Thanks,
Brad


From kost36 at otenet.gr  Sat Nov 19 05:06:54 2016
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 13:06:54 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Films and photos...
In-Reply-To: <05f801d24053$07dccda0$179668e0$@otenet.gr>
References: <053601d23eb0$c60de010$5229a030$@otenet.gr>,
	<582A4116.22864.3D67EB5A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<055601d23f2b$3b96fc20$b2c4f460$@otenet.gr>	<582AEF50.31615.40108278@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<058401d23f73$adeec120$09cc4360$@otenet.gr>
	<05f801d24053$07dccda0$179668e0$@otenet.gr>
Message-ID: <070701d24255$0b1059c0$21310d40$@otenet.gr>

That's make the trick
Thank's all for your time

Private Sub type_media_AfterUpdate()
If Not IsNull(Me!test) Then
Me.test.Locked = True
Me.file_name.Locked = True
Else
Me.test.Locked = False
Me.file_name.Locked = False
End If

Select Case type_media
Case Is = "Movies photo"
Me.test = Nz(DMax("[Test]", "ST_media_ph", "ID_films = " & [ID_films] & "
and [type_media] = " & Chr(34) & Me.type_media & Chr(34))) + 1
Me.file_name = ID_films & "_" & Me.test & ".jpg"

Case Is = "Shooting photo"
'ID_films = Me.ID_films
Me.test = Nz(DMax("[Test]", "ST_media_ph", "ID_films = " & [ID_films] & "
and [type_media] = " & Chr(34) & Me.type_media & Chr(34))) + 1
Me.file_name = ID_films & "_g" & Me.test & ".jpg"

Case Is = "Poster photo"
'ID_films = Me.ID_films
Me.test = Nz(DMax("[Test]", "ST_media_ph", "ID_films = " & [ID_films] & "
and [type_media] = " & Chr(34) & Me.type_media & Chr(34))) + 1
Me.file_name = ID_films & "_a" & Me.test & ".jpg"

End Select
End Sub



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Kostas Konstantinidis
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 11:47 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Films and photos...

May be that is not the perfect code but at least it works making the half of
the trick :-)) The last step is missing... 
Does anybody help on how to reset the counter for every of the cases?

Thank's a lot for your time
/kostas

Select Case type_media
    Case Is = "Movie photo"
        If Not IsNull(Me!test) Then
            Me.test.Locked = True
            Me.file_name.Locked = True
        Else
            Me.test.Locked = False
            Me.file_name.Locked = False
            Me.test = Nz(DMax("[Test]", "ST_media_ph", "ID_films = " &
[ID_films]), 0) + 1
            Me.file_name = ID_films & "_" & Me.test & ".jpg"
        End If
    Case Is = "Shooting photo
        If Not IsNull(Me!test) Then
            Me.test.Locked = True
            Me.file_name.Locked = True
        Else
            Me.test.Locked = False
            Me.file_name.Locked = False
            Me.test = Nz(DMax("[Test]", "ST_media_ph", "ID_films = " &
[ID_films]), 0) + 1
            Me.file_name = ID_films & "_g" & Me.test & ".jpg"
        End If
    Case Is = "Poster photo"
        If Not IsNull(Me!test) Then
            Me.test.Locked = True
            Me.file_name.Locked = True
        Else
            Me.test.Locked = False
            Me.file_name.Locked = False
            Me.test = Nz(DMax("[Test]", "ST_media_ph", "ID_films = " &
[ID_films]), 0) + 1
            Me.file_name = ID_films & "_a" & Me.test & ".jpg"
        End If
End Select


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Kostas Konstantinidis
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 9:09 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Films and photos...

The form is designed as

SELECT ST_media_ph.aa_st_media, ST_media_ph.ID_films,
ST_media_ph.type_media, ST_media_ph.file_name FROM MT_films INNER JOIN
ST_media_ph ON MT_films.ID_films = ST_media_ph.ID_films;

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 1:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Films and photos...

Thuinking about it, in the After-Update, you still have the value of
PictureName, so you can simplify it to one line:

NextPictureName = Left$(PictureName,5) & _
 Format(Val(mid$(PictureName,6) +1),"00")



On 15 Nov 2016 at 12:30, Kostas Konstantinidis wrote:

> Hi Stuart,
> Thank's for your reply
> The first works perfect, but I can't make the second to work. 
> 
> /kostas
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 12:56 AM To:
> Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Films and 
> photos...
> 
> Of the top of my head:
> 
> 1.
> IF VAL(PictureName) <> IdFilms then
> Msgbox "Incorrect Picture ID"
> END IF
>  'Val will return everything up to the first non numeric character 
> 'i.e.
> Val("9999_01") will return 9999.
> 
> 2. 
> LastPictureName  = DMax("PictureName","tblPictures", _ "PictureName 
> like '" & Left$(PictureName,4) & "*'"
> 
> LastPictureID = val(right$(LastPictureName,2))
> 
> NextPictureName = Left$(LastPictureName,5) & Format(LastPictureID +
> 1,"00")
> 
> --
> Stuart
> 
> 
> On 14 Nov 2016 at 21:53, Kostas Konstantinidis wrote:
> 
> > hi all,
> > Into a simple subform I keep photos of various films IdFilms (long
> > Integer) e.g. 9999 PhotoType (Short Text) which contains the words 
> > Poster or Shooting Photo or Film Photo PictureName (Short Text) like
> > 9999_01 to 9999_xx
> > 
> > What I need is:
> > 1. "after PictureName update" to check if it begins with wrong 
> > IdFilms, getting a warning message 2. If it's possible "after update 
> > PhotoType" to get automatically the next PictureName e.g. 9999_02
> > 
> > 
> > thank's
> > /kostas
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sat Nov 19 10:44:08 2016
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 11:44:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] last version that supports vba
Message-ID: <5580b7de-52c4-ddc7-eade-1bdc41e18680@gmail.com>

What is the last version of Access to support VBA?  2010?

I am interested in distributing runtimes.  Do they run under Windows 10?

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Nov 19 10:47:48 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 16:47:48 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] last version that supports vba
In-Reply-To: <5580b7de-52c4-ddc7-eade-1bdc41e18680@gmail.com>
References: <5580b7de-52c4-ddc7-eade-1bdc41e18680@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DB6PR0601MB21984320203644565712D558CAB30@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi John

If you bing/google for Access 2016 runtime, this is the first hit:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=50040

/gustav

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Emne: [AccessD] last version that supports vba

What is the last version of Access to support VBA?  2010?

I am interested in distributing runtimes.  Do they run under Windows 10?

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From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk  Sat Nov 19 11:18:54 2016
From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 17:18:54 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] last version that supports vba
In-Reply-To: <DB6PR0601MB21984320203644565712D558CAB30@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <5580b7de-52c4-ddc7-eade-1bdc41e18680@gmail.com>
	<DB6PR0601MB21984320203644565712D558CAB30@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAO8VDlNCBfdEkctCy61lm0HCgAAAEAAAABRyH/pK7odJly5wAhVKiwYBAAAAAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>

You should be aware that the online - web/cloud/Onedrive based versions
(Access.com), and probably Apple/Mac specific versions will probably NOT support
VBA (macro) scripts 
MS development of Office apps seems to be directed towards greatly improving the
online Excel version - with table handling and data analysis facilities as well
as Add-in's BUT NOT VBA 

2016 under windows 10 includes ribbon links to create macros and code VBA in
'modules'

JimB

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav
Brock
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 4:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] last version that supports vba

Hi John

If you bing/google for Access 2016 runtime, this is the first hit:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=50040

/gustav

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What is the last version of Access to support VBA?  2010?

I am interested in distributing runtimes.  Do they run under Windows 10?

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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Sat Nov 19 11:30:29 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 11:30:29 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] last version that supports vba
In-Reply-To: <5580b7de-52c4-ddc7-eade-1bdc41e18680@gmail.com>
References: <5580b7de-52c4-ddc7-eade-1bdc41e18680@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <19b401d2428a$9f804770$de80d650$@winhaven.net>

I was under the impression that it was 2013 but this article says otehrwise:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/10/01/microsoft_office_2016_for_developers
_vba_lives_on_new_javascript_apis_coming_for_mobile/?page=1


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Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 10:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] last version that supports vba

What is the last version of Access to support VBA?  2010?

I am interested in distributing runtimes.  Do they run under Windows 10?

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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Sat Nov 19 11:36:25 2016
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 12:36:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] last version that supports vba
In-Reply-To: <5580b7de-52c4-ddc7-eade-1bdc41e18680@gmail.com>
References: <5580b7de-52c4-ddc7-eade-1bdc41e18680@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AED61946-8C2C-416F-820C-120FDCFF00A4@verizon.net>


2016, which is the last version that was released.    Only Access web apps don't support VBA. 

For the desktop side of things,  VBA will continue to be supported just as it always has (well at least back to A95 that is...before that it was Access Basic)

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 19, 2016, at 11:44 AM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> What is the last version of Access to support VBA?  2010?
> 
> I am interested in distributing runtimes.  Do they run under Windows 10?
> 
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Sat Nov 19 12:51:00 2016
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 13:51:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] last version that supports vba
In-Reply-To: <AED61946-8C2C-416F-820C-120FDCFF00A4@verizon.net>
References: <5580b7de-52c4-ddc7-eade-1bdc41e18680@gmail.com>
	<AED61946-8C2C-416F-820C-120FDCFF00A4@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <056901d24295$df8c9b60$9ea5d220$@net>

Re: "Only Access web apps don't support VBA."
Albeit an innocuous comment, it is MOMBO IMPORTANT for Access developers.

All Microsoft has to do is port the Access Object model to the web.
Sounds simple, but no trivial task.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:36 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] last version that supports vba
>
>
> 2016, which is the last version that was released.    Only Access web
> apps don't support VBA.
>
> For the desktop side of things,  VBA will continue to be supported just
> as it always has (well at least back to A95 that is...before that it
> was Access Basic)
>
> Jim
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 19, 2016, at 11:44 AM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > What is the last version of Access to support VBA?  2010?
> >
> > I am interested in distributing runtimes.  Do they run under Windows
> 10?
> >
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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Sat Nov 19 13:48:14 2016
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 08:48:14 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
Message-ID: <72bdf92a098842f88568fc5e78cc776b@dalyn.co.nz>

Further update to this problem from the IT guy:
 
"New Switch has been put in and cabling checked, users like Cam have been 
taken off wireless. Av has been modified to remove scanning of DB. I am 
pretty confident at this point that from a networking perspective there is 
no issues here. We have not had any other issues with the system and there 
is other network related task occurring all the time. I think we have a 
compatibility issue with possibly Windows 10 and Access 2016 which is the 
common element here. One of the other guys in the office is Win 7 with 
Office 2016 and he doesn't  have any issues at all. The only difference is 
he doesn't do quoting to the same level as the other two though. I think 
these difference need to be investigated further as it will probably narrow 
down where the issues are."
 
Could the Windows 10/Access 2016 combination be a problem (grasping at 
straws).
 
Regards
 
David
 
-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, 11 November 2016 1:51 a.m.
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
 
 The problem with this error is that so many things can cause it, and yes, 
it's the network in some way.  JET works fine over a solid LAN with little 
issue (and note LAN, not a WAN - can't tell you how many people try to run 
it over a WAN, which it was never designed for).   Problem is, JET will 
complain loudly long before other apps do, so it usually gets blamed for 
the problem.
 
 Besides the wireless issue (high latency), also look for NIC cards that 
have power management (go to sleep) and disable that.  Also disable any 
diagnostic protocol they might have (card disconnects from the network, 
runs its tests, then re-connects, which will drive JET nuts).
 
 If your using mapped drives, be aware that windows has a built-in timeout 
which needs to be disabled.
 
 Also have them check that DB's are not being virus scanned on the stations 
or servers.
 
 And unlike the others, I don't believe going unbound is really a 
solution.
If your going to bother to do that, then you might as well not use Access.
And for most apps it would be a total re-write anyway. 
 
 A SQL Server backend though to replace JET is certainly an option and 
usually not too much of a hill to climb.
 
Jim.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
David Emerson
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 08:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
 
Hi Listers,
 
One of my clients is getting the following error:
 
"The expression After Update you entered as the event property setting 
produced the following error: Your network access was interrupted"
 
Does anyone have any experience with this.  Surfing indicates that it is a 
network issue rather than an Access one but I am working with another 
company in charge of the hardware and am trying to give them leads.
 
Regards
 
David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand
  
  


From aclawhon at hiwaay.net  Sun Nov 20 02:56:51 2016
From: aclawhon at hiwaay.net (aclawhon at hiwaay.net)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 08:56:51 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Is MongoDB (and NoSQL) For Real?
Message-ID: <20161120085651.Horde.aYpVbDPlHh2mJ_LfyCgaYer@webmail.hiwaay.net>


     
http://diginomica.com/2016/11/16/mongodb-ceo-claims-won-developers-hearts-oracle/

I quit doing software and databases quite some time ago, but I seem to  
recall occasional articles (like this one) predicting that SQL and the  
relational database model were on their way out as "developers" could  
do the same work SQL - and relational databases do - without using SQL.

I have no idea if this Mr. Ittycheria is legitimate or just another  
scam artist blowing smoke up investors' collective arses.  I suppose  
we'll know if MongoDB is for real when we read that Microsoft is  
buying the company for boo coos of cash and/or we start reading  
stories on Slashdot where Larry Ellison is demonizing Ittycheria and  
his company.

Dubious Alan of Huntsville


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sun Nov 20 13:34:13 2016
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 22:34:13 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Is_MongoDB_=28and_NoSQL=29_For_Real=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <20161120085651.Horde.aYpVbDPlHh2mJ_LfyCgaYer@webmail.hiwaay.net>
References: <20161120085651.Horde.aYpVbDPlHh2mJ_LfyCgaYer@webmail.hiwaay.net>
Message-ID: <1479670453.466481739@f47.i.mail.ru>

Hi Alan --

I have worked with MongoDB using C# drivers/API - it's a very good stuff: 
I have had a legacy database with object model accessible only via custom C++/C#/VBA coding, and I have used that object model to export most of this legacy database contents into a MongoDB database queryable using generic noSQL query language and tools as well as using C# drivers/API.

<<<
... we'll know if MongoDB is for real when we read that Microsoft is?
buying the company for boo coos of cash ...
>>>
MS does have noSQL database engine/MS Azure service DocumentDB ?and they (MS) do provide DocumentDB protocol for MongoDB:

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/documentdb/documentdb-protocol-mongodb ?

I suppose this fact proves that MongoDB is for real business.

-- Shamil

>Sunday, November 20, 2016 11:56 AM +03:00 from aclawhon at hiwaay.net:
>
>
>?????
>http://diginomica.com/2016/11/16/mongodb-ceo-claims-won-developers-hearts-oracle/
>
>I quit doing software and databases quite some time ago, but I seem to 
>recall occasional articles (like this one) predicting that SQL and the 
>relational database model were on their way out as "developers" could 
>do the same work SQL - and relational databases do - without using SQL.
>
>I have no idea if this Mr. Ittycheria is legitimate or just another 
>scam artist blowing smoke up investors' collective arses.  I suppose 
>we'll know if MongoDB is for real when we read that Microsoft is 
>buying the company for boo coos of cash and/or we start reading 
>stories on Slashdot where Larry Ellison is demonizing Ittycheria and 
>his company.
>
>Dubious Alan of Huntsville
>
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Sun Nov 20 14:25:26 2016
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 15:25:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] last version that supports vba
In-Reply-To: <056901d24295$df8c9b60$9ea5d220$@net>
References: <5580b7de-52c4-ddc7-eade-1bdc41e18680@gmail.com>
	<AED61946-8C2C-416F-820C-120FDCFF00A4@verizon.net>
	<056901d24295$df8c9b60$9ea5d220$@net>
Message-ID: <26DA2C2F39D246CAB77E54167BAFC3A0@XPS>


 
  You'll never see VBA on the web side of things.   If anything it would be
something like Java script, but certainly not VBA.

  BTW, speaking of web/mobile, anyone worked with Power Apps from Microsoft?

http://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2015/11/30/introducing-microsoft-powerapps/

https://powerapps.microsoft.com/en-us/

  Sounds somewhat off topic, but I know many of us are still looking for
something for web development.  Curious if anyone has used this as yet.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Mark Simms
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 01:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] last version that supports vba

Re: "Only Access web apps don't support VBA."
Albeit an innocuous comment, it is MOMBO IMPORTANT for Access developers.

All Microsoft has to do is port the Access Object model to the web.
Sounds simple, but no trivial task.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:36 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] last version that supports vba
>
>
> 2016, which is the last version that was released.    Only Access web
> apps don't support VBA.
>
> For the desktop side of things,  VBA will continue to be supported just
> as it always has (well at least back to A95 that is...before that it
> was Access Basic)
>
> Jim
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 19, 2016, at 11:44 AM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > What is the last version of Access to support VBA?  2010?
> >
> > I am interested in distributing runtimes.  Do they run under Windows
> 10?
> >
> > --
> > John W. Colby
> >
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sun Nov 20 21:06:51 2016
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 22:06:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] last version that supports vba
In-Reply-To: <19b401d2428a$9f804770$de80d650$@winhaven.net>
References: <5580b7de-52c4-ddc7-eade-1bdc41e18680@gmail.com>
	<19b401d2428a$9f804770$de80d650$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <78053485-61d6-6717-d93a-8469e3e51211@gmail.com>

One response indicates vba doesn't work on windows 2010?


On 11/19/2016 12:30 PM, John R Bartow wrote:
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/10/01/microsoft_office_2016_for_developers
> _vba_lives_on_new_javascript_apis_coming_for_mobile/?page=1

-- 
John W. Colby


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sun Nov 20 21:14:32 2016
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 22:14:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
In-Reply-To: <72bdf92a098842f88568fc5e78cc776b@dalyn.co.nz>
References: <72bdf92a098842f88568fc5e78cc776b@dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <8f8486ea-edc1-ae6d-afea-82116126f936@gmail.com>


going to SQL Server back end neatly solves the "WAN incompatibility" issue.


On 11/19/2016 2:48 PM, newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz wrote:
> Further update to this problem from the IT guy:
>   
> "New Switch has been put in and cabling checked, users like Cam have been
> taken off wireless. Av has been modified to remove scanning of DB. I am
> pretty confident at this point that from a networking perspective there is
> no issues here. We have not had any other issues with the system and there
> is other network related task occurring all the time. I think we have a
> compatibility issue with possibly Windows 10 and Access 2016 which is the
> common element here. One of the other guys in the office is Win 7 with
> Office 2016 and he doesn't  have any issues at all. The only difference is
> he doesn't do quoting to the same level as the other two though. I think
> these difference need to be investigated further as it will probably narrow
> down where the issues are."
>   
> Could the Windows 10/Access 2016 combination be a problem (grasping at
> straws).
>   
> Regards
>   
> David
>   
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Jim Dettman
> Sent: Friday, 11 November 2016 1:51 a.m.
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
>   
>   The problem with this error is that so many things can cause it, and yes,
> it's the network in some way.  JET works fine over a solid LAN with little
> issue (and note LAN, not a WAN - can't tell you how many people try to run
> it over a WAN, which it was never designed for).   Problem is, JET will
> complain loudly long before other apps do, so it usually gets blamed for
> the problem.
>   
>   Besides the wireless issue (high latency), also look for NIC cards that
> have power management (go to sleep) and disable that.  Also disable any
> diagnostic protocol they might have (card disconnects from the network,
> runs its tests, then re-connects, which will drive JET nuts).
>   
>   If your using mapped drives, be aware that windows has a built-in timeout
> which needs to be disabled.
>   
>   Also have them check that DB's are not being virus scanned on the stations
> or servers.
>   
>   And unlike the others, I don't believe going unbound is really a
> solution.
> If your going to bother to do that, then you might as well not use Access.
> And for most apps it would be a total re-write anyway.
>   
>   A SQL Server backend though to replace JET is certainly an option and
> usually not too much of a hill to climb.
>   
> Jim.
>   
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> David Emerson
> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 08:31 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
>   
> Hi Listers,
>   
> One of my clients is getting the following error:
>   
> "The expression After Update you entered as the event property setting
> produced the following error: Your network access was interrupted"
>   
> Does anyone have any experience with this.  Surfing indicates that it is a
> network issue rather than an Access one but I am working with another
> company in charge of the hardware and am trying to give them leads.
>   
> Regards
>   
> David Emerson
> Dalyn Software Ltd
> Wellington, New Zealand
>    
>    
>

-- 
John W. Colby


From jbartow at winhaven.net  Mon Nov 21 10:40:18 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 10:40:18 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
In-Reply-To: <72bdf92a098842f88568fc5e78cc776b@dalyn.co.nz>
References: <72bdf92a098842f88568fc5e78cc776b@dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <000f01d24415$f8b74cd0$ea25e670$@winhaven.net>

I don't have anyone running Access 2016 on Windows 10 but I do seem to have
a more support issues with Excel 2016  crashing/locking, etc. on Windows 10
than on Windows 7. So it is possible.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted

Further update to this problem from the IT guy:
 
"New Switch has been put in and cabling checked, users like Cam have been
taken off wireless. Av has been modified to remove scanning of DB. I am
pretty confident at this point that from a networking perspective there is
no issues here. We have not had any other issues with the system and there
is other network related task occurring all the time. I think we have a
compatibility issue with possibly Windows 10 and Access 2016 which is the
common element here. One of the other guys in the office is Win 7 with
Office 2016 and he doesn't  have any issues at all. The only difference is
he doesn't do quoting to the same level as the other two though. I think
these difference need to be investigated further as it will probably narrow
down where the issues are."
 
Could the Windows 10/Access 2016 combination be a problem (grasping at
straws).
 
Regards
 
David
 
-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Dettman
Sent: Friday, 11 November 2016 1:51 a.m.
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
 
 The problem with this error is that so many things can cause it, and yes,
it's the network in some way.  JET works fine over a solid LAN with little
issue (and note LAN, not a WAN - can't tell you how many people try to run 
it over a WAN, which it was never designed for).   Problem is, JET will 
complain loudly long before other apps do, so it usually gets blamed for the
problem.
 
 Besides the wireless issue (high latency), also look for NIC cards that
have power management (go to sleep) and disable that.  Also disable any
diagnostic protocol they might have (card disconnects from the network, runs
its tests, then re-connects, which will drive JET nuts).
 
 If your using mapped drives, be aware that windows has a built-in timeout
which needs to be disabled.
 
 Also have them check that DB's are not being virus scanned on the stations
or servers.
 
 And unlike the others, I don't believe going unbound is really a solution.
If your going to bother to do that, then you might as well not use Access.
And for most apps it would be a total re-write anyway. 
 
 A SQL Server backend though to replace JET is certainly an option and
usually not too much of a hill to climb.
 
Jim.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
David Emerson
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 08:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
 
Hi Listers,
 
One of my clients is getting the following error:
 
"The expression After Update you entered as the event property setting
produced the following error: Your network access was interrupted"
 
Does anyone have any experience with this.  Surfing indicates that it is a
network issue rather than an Access one but I am working with another
company in charge of the hardware and am trying to give them leads.
 
Regards
 
David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand
  
  

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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Mon Nov 21 14:26:59 2016
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 09:26:59 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
In-Reply-To: <72bdf92a098842f88568fc5e78cc776b@dalyn.co.nz>
References: <72bdf92a098842f88568fc5e78cc776b@dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <002d01d24435$9cdfbdf0$d69f39d0$@dalyn.co.nz>

Further update:

It has been confirmed that the Win 7 and Office 2016 combination doesn't
have the same problem.

Back to my question below :)

David

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz
Sent: Sunday, 20 November 2016 8:48 a.m.
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted

Further update to this problem from the IT guy:
 
"New Switch has been put in and cabling checked, users like Cam have been
taken off wireless. Av has been modified to remove scanning of DB. I am
pretty confident at this point that from a networking perspective there is
no issues here. We have not had any other issues with the system and there
is other network related task occurring all the time. I think we have a
compatibility issue with possibly Windows 10 and Access 2016 which is the
common element here. One of the other guys in the office is Win 7 with
Office 2016 and he doesn't  have any issues at all. The only difference is
he doesn't do quoting to the same level as the other two though. I think
these difference need to be investigated further as it will probably narrow
down where the issues are."
 
Could the Windows 10/Access 2016 combination be a problem (grasping at
straws).
 
Regards
 
David
 
-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Dettman
Sent: Friday, 11 November 2016 1:51 a.m.
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
 
 The problem with this error is that so many things can cause it, and yes,
it's the network in some way.  JET works fine over a solid LAN with little
issue (and note LAN, not a WAN - can't tell you how many people try to run 
it over a WAN, which it was never designed for).   Problem is, JET will 
complain loudly long before other apps do, so it usually gets blamed for the
problem.
 
 Besides the wireless issue (high latency), also look for NIC cards that
have power management (go to sleep) and disable that.  Also disable any
diagnostic protocol they might have (card disconnects from the network, runs
its tests, then re-connects, which will drive JET nuts).
 
 If your using mapped drives, be aware that windows has a built-in timeout
which needs to be disabled.
 
 Also have them check that DB's are not being virus scanned on the stations
or servers.
 
 And unlike the others, I don't believe going unbound is really a solution.
If your going to bother to do that, then you might as well not use Access.
And for most apps it would be a total re-write anyway. 
 
 A SQL Server backend though to replace JET is certainly an option and
usually not too much of a hill to climb.
 
Jim.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
David Emerson
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 08:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
 
Hi Listers,
 
One of my clients is getting the following error:
 
"The expression After Update you entered as the event property setting
produced the following error: Your network access was interrupted"
 
Does anyone have any experience with this.  Surfing indicates that it is a
network issue rather than an Access one but I am working with another
company in charge of the hardware and am trying to give them leads.
 
Regards
 
David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand
  
  

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Nov 21 15:53:56 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 13:53:56 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working! (Working Solution)
In-Reply-To: <BN3PR19MB04970C2C6598FE47C311BE37F6B90@BN3PR19MB0497.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN3PR19MB0497C48447CDB7740C0F8DEFF6A00@BN3PR19MB0497.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>	<00dc01d23539$d6fdf020$84f9d060$@bchacc.com>	<BN3PR19MB0497128049A5DF618A852579F6A00@BN3PR19MB0497.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>	<053201d23a27$3947d470$abd77d50$@bchacc.com>
	<BN3PR19MB04970C2C6598FE47C311BE37F6B90@BN3PR19MB0497.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <00fd01d24441$c20d24d0$46276e70$@bchacc.com>

Dear List(s):

Well I'm back to trying to solve this problem of "Access has stopped
working".  The delay helped by reducing the number of times access stops
working, but still occurs randomly.

So I thought about changing the default printer to a pdf printer and then
changing back to the default.  Which works OK except the pdf printer pops up
a dialog box asking what to name the pdf file and where to store it. 

Does anyone know of a pdf printer that can be controlled from within Access
so that the name and path of the pdf file can be sent to the printer?

MTIA


Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
760-683-5777
www.bchacc.com
www.e-z-mrp.com
Skype: rocky.smolin
 



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Waters
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 5:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working! (Working Solution)

Hi Rocky,

Glad to hear that something is working!

I do have this working at 3 customers for many years at 0.1 seconds w/o any
errors.  1 second doesn't affect a user much but I'd still try 0.5 seconds.
Hope that works!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 19:19
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working! (Working Solution)

All:

I put the Pause function in and it seemed to work on my machine.  But still
have the problem at the client site. It didn't work here at .1 seconds, but
at 1 second it did.

That same dll seems to be in the error log.  But I don't find anything on
the internets about it. 

Any more ideas?

TIA

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Waters
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 1:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working! (Working Solution)

Hi Rocky,

Hi Rocky,

I think Jim is correct.

First, save this as a Public Sub.
'---------------------
Public Sub Pause(Optional sngNumberOfSeconds As Single = 0.1)
    On Error GoTo EH

    '-- Purpose:  This will 'pause' running code so that Access can get
other things done

    Dim sngPauseTime As Single
    Dim sngStart As Single

    If sngNumberOfSeconds = 0 Then Exit Sub

    sngPauseTime = sngNumberOfSeconds
    sngStart = Timer
    Do While Timer < sngStart + sngPauseTime
        DoEvents
    Loop

EH:
    Exit Sub

End Sub
'--------------------------

Next, replace the 2nd DoEvents with Call Pause.  I do this in my code but I
didn't think you would need it.

By default, Pause will run a loop of DoEvents for 1/10 of a second.

Again, Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 1:49 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working! (Working Solution)

Dan, Et Al:

Here's a clue, maybe.  That code didn't work - got the "Access has stopped
working" message.  BUT!

When I put a breakpoint into the code before the open query and single
stepped through it (F8), it worked!

So it would seem to be some kind of timing issue?

I did put the DoEvents in like you said:

DoCmd.OpenQuery "qryActiveUser"
DoEvents
DoCmd.OpenReport "rptRentalAgreement", acPreview, , , acHidden DoEvents
DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", acFormatPDF,
strRAPDFName, False  ', "", acExportQualityPrint DoEvents 'DoCmd.OutputTo
acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)", strRAPDFName,
False ', "", acExportQualityPrint DoCmd.Close acReport,
"rptRentalAgreement", acSaveNo DoCmd.Close acQuery, "qryActiveUser"

Any clue here?

TIA

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Waters
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 9:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working! (Working Solution)

Hi Rocky,

This is indeed a bug which has been around for years.  This is how I handle
it in my system.

'----------------------------

            '-- To resolve a 2046 bug in Access (see KB 244695) a software
object must be opened before the 'OutputTo' method is called.

            '-- Open any read-only query (this opens a database window
referred to in KB 244695)
            DoCmd.OpenQuery "qryGlobalErrors"

            '-- Output report from the file it's in
            If varObjectType = acReport Then

                DoEvents
                DoCmd.OpenReport stgObjectName, acViewPreview, , , acHidden

                DoEvents
                DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, stgObjectName, acFormatPDF,
stgAccessObjectPath

                DoEvents
                DoCmd.Close acReport, stgObjectName, acSaveNo

            Else

                DoEvents
                DoCmd.OutputTo varObjectType, stgObjectName,
varOutputFormat, stgAccessObjectPath

            End If

            '-- Close the read-only query
            DoCmd.Close acQuery, "qryGlobalErrors"

'----------------------------

Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 5:11 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!


 Would be good to get the fault from the event log and then see if it is the
same in each case.

  If it is, then your probably tripping over a bug.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 01:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

I'll try that tomorrow. Un-commenting the last two parameters of the
OutputTo didn't change the result.  Still barfed.  

I assume then after the output to you close the hidden report?

Thx

R

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
David Emerson
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 10:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'List'; 'Off Topic'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

Hi Rocky,

I had a similar situation.  I read somewhere that opening the report hidden
first solves the problem

DoCmd.OpenReport " rptRentalAgreement ", acPreview, , , acHidden
DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)",
strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint


I also noticed in the second line above (copied from your code) you have a '
after False - this may cause a problem as well.

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2016 5:05 p.m.
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Has Stopped Working!

Dear List(s):

 

I am running an accdb in A2010.  I want to convert a report to a pdf and
attach it to an email.  This works perfectly on my machine.  

 

At the client site it does not. I spent two hours there today trying
everything I could think of -  checking Microsoft update for patches fixes,
updates, etc., decompiling, compact and repair, lacing the code with
DoEvents, running as administrator - nothing worked.  I did track the
problematic line of code.  It is the line with 

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport

 

And Access Stopped Working on this line of code almost every time.  I say
almost because a couple of times it ran - generated both pdfs and popped up
the email with the two report pdfs attached!  Which is why I tried the
DoEvents.  But it barfed pretty consistently on that first DoCmd.OutputTo
acOutputReport,

 

Here's the code:

 

strFrontEndPath = db.Name

Do While Right(strFrontEndPath, 1) <> "\"

    strFrontEndPath = Left(strFrontEndPath, Len(strFrontEndPath) - 1)

Loop

strRAPDFName = strFrontEndPath & "RentalAgreement-" _

    & Me.cboNameAndAddress.Column(1) & "-" _

    & Me.fldRAHOrderNumber & ".pdf"

strRAPDFName = Replace(strRAPDFName, "*", "")

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptRentalAgreement", "PDFFormat(*.pdf)",
strRAPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint

'Call ConvertReportToPDF("rptRentalAgreement", , strRAPDFName, , False)

 

strCCPPDFName = strFrontEndPath & "CreditCardPermission-" _

    & Me.cboNameAndAddress.Column(1) & "-" _

    & Me.fldRAHOrderNumber & ".pdf"

strCCPPDFName = Replace(strCCPPDFName, "*", "")

 

DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptCreditCardPermissionForEmail",
"PDFFormat(*.pdf)", strCCPPDFName, False ', "", acExportQualityPrint

'Call ConvertReportToPDF("rptCreditCardPermissionForEmail", , strCCPPDFName,
, False)

 

 

You can see the previous legacy code which worked for a long time in A2003 -
the calls to ConvertToPDF - which I have commented out.  That doesn't work
anymore.  

 

So I'm really stumped.  Has anyone had this problem and found a solution?
Two martinis to the genius who can post an effective fix.

 

MTIA

 

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

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From jim at therareshop.com  Mon Nov 21 16:36:36 2016
From: jim at therareshop.com (Jim Hale)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 16:36:36 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Our first Winter Storm of the season!
Message-ID: <019801d24447$b83a4900$28aedb00$@therareshop.com>

A papaya tree has grown to 4 ft out of the compost. We will see if it
survives the winter- it hit freezing here last night. If it does we should
have papaya next summer.

J

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-OT [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Kjos
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:04 AM
To: Off Topic <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-OT] Our first Winter Storm of the season!

No heat?  What's the problem there?  Is this at home or at the cabin?
Hope you get it working again soon.

27 here this morning.  I think I'll make some pancakes to help to counteract
the golf withdrawal haha.

GK




From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Mon Nov 21 17:35:54 2016
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 12:35:54 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
In-Reply-To: <72bdf92a098842f88568fc5e78cc776b@dalyn.co.nz>
References: <72bdf92a098842f88568fc5e78cc776b@dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <001e01d24450$00df91d0$029eb570$@dalyn.co.nz>

(Sent again as didn't see it come through)

Further update:

It has been confirmed that the Win 7 and Office 2016 combination doesn't
have the same problem.

Back to my question below :)

David

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz
Sent: Sunday, 20 November 2016 8:48 a.m.
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted

Further update to this problem from the IT guy:
 
"New Switch has been put in and cabling checked, users like Cam have been
taken off wireless. Av has been modified to remove scanning of DB. I am
pretty confident at this point that from a networking perspective there is
no issues here. We have not had any other issues with the system and there
is other network related task occurring all the time. I think we have a
compatibility issue with possibly Windows 10 and Access 2016 which is the
common element here. One of the other guys in the office is Win 7 with
Office 2016 and he doesn't  have any issues at all. The only difference is
he doesn't do quoting to the same level as the other two though. I think
these difference need to be investigated further as it will probably narrow
down where the issues are."
 
Could the Windows 10/Access 2016 combination be a problem (grasping at
straws).
 
Regards
 
David
 
-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Dettman
Sent: Friday, 11 November 2016 1:51 a.m.
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
 
 The problem with this error is that so many things can cause it, and yes,
it's the network in some way.  JET works fine over a solid LAN with little
issue (and note LAN, not a WAN - can't tell you how many people try to run 
it over a WAN, which it was never designed for).   Problem is, JET will 
complain loudly long before other apps do, so it usually gets blamed for the
problem.
 
 Besides the wireless issue (high latency), also look for NIC cards that
have power management (go to sleep) and disable that.  Also disable any
diagnostic protocol they might have (card disconnects from the network, runs
its tests, then re-connects, which will drive JET nuts).
 
 If your using mapped drives, be aware that windows has a built-in timeout
which needs to be disabled.
 
 Also have them check that DB's are not being virus scanned on the stations
or servers.
 
 And unlike the others, I don't believe going unbound is really a solution.
If your going to bother to do that, then you might as well not use Access.
And for most apps it would be a total re-write anyway. 
 
 A SQL Server backend though to replace JET is certainly an option and
usually not too much of a hill to climb.
 
Jim.
 
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 08:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
 
Hi Listers,
 
One of my clients is getting the following error:
 
"The expression After Update you entered as the event property setting
produced the following error: Your network access was interrupted"
 
Does anyone have any experience with this.  Surfing indicates that it is a
network issue rather than an Access one but I am working with another
company in charge of the hardware and am trying to give them leads.
 
Regards
 
David Emerson
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Nov 22 00:15:50 2016
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 01:15:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] last version that supports vba
In-Reply-To: <056901d24295$df8c9b60$9ea5d220$@net>
References: <5580b7de-52c4-ddc7-eade-1bdc41e18680@gmail.com>
	<AED61946-8C2C-416F-820C-120FDCFF00A4@verizon.net>
	<056901d24295$df8c9b60$9ea5d220$@net>
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I see no reason to port the Access object model to the web, since the
JavaScript model is so superior; but of course that would demand that you
do not simply port the code but rather re-write it, and the simplest way I
know of is via Alpha Anywhere. Bur assuming that you're still building
non-web Access apps, then you have no reason to move.

A.

On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Mark Simms <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> Re: "Only Access web apps don't support VBA."
> Albeit an innocuous comment, it is MOMBO IMPORTANT for Access developers.
>
> All Microsoft has to do is port the Access Object model to the web.
> Sounds simple, but no trivial task.
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> > Of Jim Dettman
> > Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:36 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] last version that supports vba
> >
> >
> > 2016, which is the last version that was released.    Only Access web
> > apps don't support VBA.
> >
> > For the desktop side of things,  VBA will continue to be supported just
> > as it always has (well at least back to A95 that is...before that it
> > was Access Basic)
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Nov 19, 2016, at 11:44 AM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > What is the last version of Access to support VBA?  2010?
> > >
> > > I am interested in distributing runtimes.  Do they run under Windows
> > 10?
> > >
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From listmaster at databaseadvisors.com  Tue Nov 22 08:47:55 2016
From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 07:47:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Back Up and Running
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Hi All,

I'd like to let everyone know that the lists are all back up and
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From bradm at blackforestltd.com  Tue Nov 22 10:00:50 2016
From: bradm at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 16:00:50 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Is there a way to force Access to place single quotes on
 generated SQL
Message-ID: <MWHPR05MB3246BE89CC0BE075F9A0915ACFB40@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

All,

I have a number of Access queries that I need to port to ColdFusion.

When Access generates SQL from "Design View", it uses double quotes such as  

WHERE JOBS.JOBNO="SO80427";

I would like Access to generate this line with single quotes - like this.

WHERE JOBS.JOBNO='SO80427';

Is there a setting someplace in Access to make this happen.

Thanks,

Brad


From jbartow at winhaven.net  Tue Nov 22 10:32:21 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 10:32:21 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] last version that supports vba
In-Reply-To: <78053485-61d6-6717-d93a-8469e3e51211@gmail.com>
References: <5580b7de-52c4-ddc7-eade-1bdc41e18680@gmail.com>	<19b401d2428a$9f804770$de80d650$@winhaven.net>
	<78053485-61d6-6717-d93a-8469e3e51211@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <032a01d244de$00318700$00949500$@winhaven.net>

Huh?

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 9:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; jwcolby at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] last version that supports vba

One response indicates vba doesn't work on windows 2010?


On 11/19/2016 12:30 PM, John R Bartow wrote:
>
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/10/01/microsoft_office_2016_for_developers
> _vba_lives_on_new_javascript_apis_coming_for_mobile/?page=1

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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Tue Nov 22 10:37:22 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 10:37:22 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Back Up and Running
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Message-ID: <035101d244de$b32635e0$1972a1a0$@winhaven.net>

Thanks for getting it all back up and running Bryan!
John B

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Hi All,

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From df.waters at outlook.com  Tue Nov 22 11:00:14 2016
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 17:00:14 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] last version that supports vba
In-Reply-To: <78053485-61d6-6717-d93a-8469e3e51211@gmail.com>
References: <5580b7de-52c4-ddc7-eade-1bdc41e18680@gmail.com>
	<19b401d2428a$9f804770$de80d650$@winhaven.net>
	<78053485-61d6-6717-d93a-8469e3e51211@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BN3PR19MB04972AC6BCB9248ADCF581C6F6B40@BN3PR19MB0497.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

Access VBA works fine on W10.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 21:07
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; jwcolby at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] last version that supports vba

One response indicates vba doesn't work on windows 2010?


On 11/19/2016 12:30 PM, John R Bartow wrote:
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/10/01/microsoft_office_2016_for_developers
> _vba_lives_on_new_javascript_apis_coming_for_mobile/?page=1

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From dbdoug at gmail.com  Tue Nov 22 11:12:46 2016
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 09:12:46 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] last version that supports vba
In-Reply-To: <BN3PR19MB04972AC6BCB9248ADCF581C6F6B40@BN3PR19MB0497.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
References: <5580b7de-52c4-ddc7-eade-1bdc41e18680@gmail.com>
	<19b401d2428a$9f804770$de80d650$@winhaven.net>
	<78053485-61d6-6717-d93a-8469e3e51211@gmail.com>
	<BN3PR19MB04972AC6BCB9248ADCF581C6F6B40@BN3PR19MB0497.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAFa8NkiDHp5cE1X1dNjd6Tvsr+D4qv7PKqSn6vEmXKS_APkK1w@mail.gmail.com>

I'm currently doing all my development work (lots of VBA!) in Access 2010
on Windows 10.  I have a client who is running a mix of Access 2007 and
2013, and my dbs run fine on their machines after fixing bad references and
recompiling.

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Dan Waters <df.waters at outlook.com> wrote:

> Access VBA works fine on W10.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> John Colby
> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 21:07
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; jwcolby at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] last version that supports vba
>
> One response indicates vba doesn't work on windows 2010?
>
>
> On 11/19/2016 12:30 PM, John R Bartow wrote:
> > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/10/01/microsoft_office_
> 2016_for_developers
> > _vba_lives_on_new_javascript_apis_coming_for_mobile/?page=1
>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Nov 22 11:22:51 2016
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 12:22:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Back Up and Running
In-Reply-To: <035101d244de$b32635e0$1972a1a0$@winhaven.net>
References: <CAAZtbWFGbzdZ08n6tcpX2U8OuKziDziKGqHzpWHcEzMJPzHfNQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<035101d244de$b32635e0$1972a1a0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <004901d244e5$0e667180$2b335480$@gmail.com>

Bryan, are you snowed in? And thanks!

Susan H 


Thanks for getting it all back up and running Bryan!
John B

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Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 8:48 AM
To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Back Up and Running

Hi All,

I'd like to let everyone know that the lists are all back up and running. We
had server issues.

Everything should be back to normal.

As always, if you ever have any problems, feel free to reach out to me.
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Nov 22 12:11:46 2016
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 12:11:46 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Back Up and Running
In-Reply-To: <004901d244e5$0e667180$2b335480$@gmail.com>
References: <CAAZtbWFGbzdZ08n6tcpX2U8OuKziDziKGqHzpWHcEzMJPzHfNQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<035101d244de$b32635e0$1972a1a0$@winhaven.net>
	<004901d244e5$0e667180$2b335480$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pLjuGXTX7qs0-6oo6JC4Qd5HaqUVXARr9E3EJW-EAxBGQ@mail.gmail.com>

I hope not he is in Arizona I think.

GK

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> Bryan, are you snowed in? And thanks!
>
> Susan H
>
>
> Thanks for getting it all back up and running Bryan!
> John B
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Bryan Carbonnell
> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 8:48 AM
> To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Back Up and Running
>
> Hi All,
>
> I'd like to let everyone know that the lists are all back up and running. We
> had server issues.
>
> Everything should be back to normal.
>
> As always, if you ever have any problems, feel free to reach out to me.
> listmaster at databaseadvisors.com
> or
> carbonnb at gmail.com
>
> Your friendly neighbourhood Listmaster,
> Bryan
>
> --
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Tue Nov 22 13:24:57 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 13:24:57 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Our first Winter Storm of the season!
In-Reply-To: <019801d24447$b83a4900$28aedb00$@therareshop.com>
References: <019801d24447$b83a4900$28aedb00$@therareshop.com>
Message-ID: <05d001d244f6$1cf50930$56df1b90$@winhaven.net>

In one year?

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Hale
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 4:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Our first Winter Storm of the season!

A papaya tree has grown to 4 ft out of the compost. We will see if it
survives the winter- it hit freezing here last night. If it does we should
have papaya next summer.

J

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-OT [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Kjos
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:04 AM
To: Off Topic <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-OT] Our first Winter Storm of the season!

No heat?  What's the problem there?  Is this at home or at the cabin?
Hope you get it working again soon.

27 here this morning.  I think I'll make some pancakes to help to counteract
the golf withdrawal haha.

GK



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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Nov 22 15:40:00 2016
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 16:40:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Back Up and Running
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Oh! Silly me. :) I knew he was traveling in the US, just didn't realize he'd
gotten so far south already!


I hope not he is in Arizona I think.

GK

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> Bryan, are you snowed in? And thanks!
>
> Susan H
>
>
> Thanks for getting it all back up and running Bryan!
> John B
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Bryan Carbonnell
> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 8:48 AM
> To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Back Up and Running
>
> Hi All,
>
> I'd like to let everyone know that the lists are all back up and 
> running. We had server issues.
>
> Everything should be back to normal.
>
> As always, if you ever have any problems, feel free to reach out to me.
> listmaster at databaseadvisors.com
> or
> carbonnb at gmail.com
>
> Your friendly neighbourhood Listmaster, Bryan
>
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Wed Nov 23 14:31:58 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 14:31:58 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13
In-Reply-To: <AF9E146AACF44A2592686436E7E94761@XPS>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACF22RC3KWdEkmLp1h8C0yTCgAAAEAAAAHGROvARdZxMsr4V07ouxO0BAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>,
	<582BFD00.12923.442DFB16@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<114801d23fd8$75a43fb0$60ecbf10$@winhaven.net>	<582C0844.12941.4459FA2D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<115801d23fdd$65889d60$3099d820$@winhaven.net>
	<AF9E146AACF44A2592686436E7E94761@XPS>
Message-ID: <05ab01d245c8$a42e28f0$ec8a7ad0$@winhaven.net>

Jim, Stuart, John:
Thanks for your assistance! It's been a LONG time since I've even looked at
VBA code and what was happening in this case is that I was working with an
app file that was not the correct one. It was a "next version" I had been
working on but never went too far with. I had been switching some code that
had used global variables into using custom properties instead. I worked on
finishing that in A2003 in a VM. I then brought it into A2013. On first
attempt at compile it barked about procedures with CurrentDB() - had to
remove the parenthesis. Oddly it did not bark about them all. It barked
about the one in the last Class Object I had edited in A2003. There are
others in there that it didn't see as a problem but I replaced them anyway. 

So I finished doing that and it all works now. 

But here's a question for you: do you still think its wiser to use custom
database properties rather than global variables?

PS: must be throwback month. I had to resuce a sign shop that was using a
Windows 3.1 PC (nothing has changed on it since 1992.) as a cutting machine
controller. Guess they don't run forever. VM is now their friend until they
get new a new cutting machine.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 6:59 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13

Also this, which might make the app a bit more bullet proof depending on
what your using those properties for.

Jim.

Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer)
	Dim strTitle As String, strSubject As String, strAuthor As String

	strTitle = "Title"
	strSubject = "Subject"
	strAuthor = "Author"

	Me!txtTitle = GetSummaryInfo(strTitle)
	Me!txtSubject = GetSummaryInfo(strSubject)
	Me!txtAuthor = GetSummaryInfo(strAuthor) End Sub

Function GetSummaryInfo(strPropName As String) As String
	Dim dbs As Database, cnt As Container
	Dim doc As Document, prp As Property

	' Property not found error.

Const conPropertyNotFound = 3270
	On Error GoTo GetSummary_Err
	Set dbs = CurrentDb
	Set cnt = dbs.Containers!Databases
	Set doc = cnt.Documents!SummaryInfo
	doc.Properties.Refresh
	GetSummaryInfo = doc.Properties(strPropName)

GetSummary_Bye:
	Exit Function

GetSummary_Err:
	If Err = conPropertyNotFound Then
		Set prp = doc.CreateProperty(strPropName, dbText, "None")
		' Append to collection.
		doc.Properties.Append prp
		Resume
	Else

' Unknown error.
		GetSummaryInfo = ""
		Resume GetSummary_Bye
	End If
End Function 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
John R Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 02:45 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13
Importance: High

Yes, thanks, I cannot find where its created. I'm going to have to go back
into the old version to figure this out. VM time.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 1:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13

To create a custom property you need to do something like:

Set dbs = CurrentDb
Set prp = dbs.CreateProperty("CheckForLabelPrinter", dbBoolean, True)
dbs.Properties.Append prp


On 16 Nov 2016 at 1:10, John R Bartow wrote:

> That is creating a custom property so it exists as soon as it's made.
> But to further that idea, maybe the method of creating a custom 
> property has changed (or needs to be more implicit in newer versions?)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 12:30 AM To:
> Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re:
> [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13
> 
> Since you've converted the DB, are you sure the property still exists?
>  
> 
> 
> 
> On 15 Nov 2016 at 23:48, John R Bartow wrote:
> 
> > Good WAG but that didn't do that trick.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On 
> > Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 7:51 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re:
> > [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13
> > 
> > Just a WAG.  Try Dim dbs As DAO.Database.
> > 
> > Without the DAO, you can get strange error messages when trying to 
> > access properties.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 15 Nov 2016 at 19:29, John R Bartow wrote:
> > 
> > > Dim dbs As Database
> > 
> > 
> > --

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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Nov 24 05:50:56 2016
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 06:50:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13
In-Reply-To: <05ab01d245c8$a42e28f0$ec8a7ad0$@winhaven.net>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACF22RC3KWdEkmLp1h8C0yTCgAAAEAAAAHGROvARdZxMsr4V07ouxO0BAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>,
	<582BFD00.12923.442DFB16@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<114801d23fd8$75a43fb0$60ecbf10$@winhaven.net>
	<582C0844.12941.4459FA2D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<115801d23fdd$65889d60$3099d820$@winhaven.net>
	<AF9E146AACF44A2592686436E7E94761@XPS>
	<05ab01d245c8$a42e28f0$ec8a7ad0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <E3C486B9D4B943FE8DFB4F3CEF4ADAEC@XPS>

 
<<But here's a question for you: do you still think its wiser to use custom
database properties rather than global variables?>>

 Depends on what your using it for I think.  Also keep in mind that later
version have tempvars, which fall in the middle. They are a variable like a
global, but they don't loose their value on a VBA reset.

I would use a database property for something like an app title, or version
number possibly.   Tempvars to load at startup for things like app flags,
and globals for very temp/scratch work.  But, you can use any one of the
three for any of the others if you really want to.

Personally, I've always stuck with globals for everything, but I don't use
them all that much.   That's mainly because it's how I started, and I have
logic in place to work that way.

Jim.


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
John R Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 03:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13
Importance: High

Jim, Stuart, John:
Thanks for your assistance! It's been a LONG time since I've even looked at
VBA code and what was happening in this case is that I was working with an
app file that was not the correct one. It was a "next version" I had been
working on but never went too far with. I had been switching some code that
had used global variables into using custom properties instead. I worked on
finishing that in A2003 in a VM. I then brought it into A2013. On first
attempt at compile it barked about procedures with CurrentDB() - had to
remove the parenthesis. Oddly it did not bark about them all. It barked
about the one in the last Class Object I had edited in A2003. There are
others in there that it didn't see as a problem but I replaced them anyway. 

So I finished doing that and it all works now. 

But here's a question for you: do you still think its wiser to use custom
database properties rather than global variables?

PS: must be throwback month. I had to resuce a sign shop that was using a
Windows 3.1 PC (nothing has changed on it since 1992.) as a cutting machine
controller. Guess they don't run forever. VM is now their friend until they
get new a new cutting machine.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 6:59 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13

Also this, which might make the app a bit more bullet proof depending on
what your using those properties for.

Jim.

Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer)
	Dim strTitle As String, strSubject As String, strAuthor As String

	strTitle = "Title"
	strSubject = "Subject"
	strAuthor = "Author"

	Me!txtTitle = GetSummaryInfo(strTitle)
	Me!txtSubject = GetSummaryInfo(strSubject)
	Me!txtAuthor = GetSummaryInfo(strAuthor) End Sub

Function GetSummaryInfo(strPropName As String) As String
	Dim dbs As Database, cnt As Container
	Dim doc As Document, prp As Property

	' Property not found error.

Const conPropertyNotFound = 3270
	On Error GoTo GetSummary_Err
	Set dbs = CurrentDb
	Set cnt = dbs.Containers!Databases
	Set doc = cnt.Documents!SummaryInfo
	doc.Properties.Refresh
	GetSummaryInfo = doc.Properties(strPropName)

GetSummary_Bye:
	Exit Function

GetSummary_Err:
	If Err = conPropertyNotFound Then
		Set prp = doc.CreateProperty(strPropName, dbText, "None")
		' Append to collection.
		doc.Properties.Append prp
		Resume
	Else

' Unknown error.
		GetSummaryInfo = ""
		Resume GetSummary_Bye
	End If
End Function 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
John R Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 02:45 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13
Importance: High

Yes, thanks, I cannot find where its created. I'm going to have to go back
into the old version to figure this out. VM time.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 1:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13

To create a custom property you need to do something like:

Set dbs = CurrentDb
Set prp = dbs.CreateProperty("CheckForLabelPrinter", dbBoolean, True)
dbs.Properties.Append prp


On 16 Nov 2016 at 1:10, John R Bartow wrote:

> That is creating a custom property so it exists as soon as it's made.
> But to further that idea, maybe the method of creating a custom 
> property has changed (or needs to be more implicit in newer versions?)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 12:30 AM To:
> Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re:
> [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13
> 
> Since you've converted the DB, are you sure the property still exists?
>  
> 
> 
> 
> On 15 Nov 2016 at 23:48, John R Bartow wrote:
> 
> > Good WAG but that didn't do that trick.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On 
> > Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 7:51 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re:
> > [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13
> > 
> > Just a WAG.  Try Dim dbs As DAO.Database.
> > 
> > Without the DAO, you can get strange error messages when trying to 
> > access properties.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 15 Nov 2016 at 19:29, John R Bartow wrote:
> > 
> > > Dim dbs As Database
> > 
> > 
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Nov 24 09:45:09 2016
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 10:45:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13
In-Reply-To: <E3C486B9D4B943FE8DFB4F3CEF4ADAEC@XPS>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACF22RC3KWdEkmLp1h8C0yTCgAAAEAAAAHGROvARdZxMsr4V07ouxO0BAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>
	<582BFD00.12923.442DFB16@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<114801d23fd8$75a43fb0$60ecbf10$@winhaven.net>
	<582C0844.12941.4459FA2D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<115801d23fdd$65889d60$3099d820$@winhaven.net>
	<AF9E146AACF44A2592686436E7E94761@XPS>
	<05ab01d245c8$a42e28f0$ec8a7ad0$@winhaven.net>
	<E3C486B9D4B943FE8DFB4F3CEF4ADAEC@XPS>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gNsZuxN3nwdJ_e1EZy5QsN_H+cTrDmrBJw-7pQjL6O9A@mail.gmail.com>

Frankly, I never use global variables. For that sort of functionality, I
always go with static set/get functions. No accidents, that way.

A.
?

From jim at therareshop.com  Thu Nov 24 15:32:18 2016
From: jim at therareshop.com (Jim Hale)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 15:32:18 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Our first Winter Storm of the season!
In-Reply-To: <05d001d244f6$1cf50930$56df1b90$@winhaven.net>
References: <019801d24447$b83a4900$28aedb00$@therareshop.com>
	<05d001d244f6$1cf50930$56df1b90$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <012401d2469a$3be22530$b3a66f90$@therareshop.com>

Yes. It is very skinny.

J

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
John R Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 1:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Our first Winter Storm of the season!
Importance: High

In one year?

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Hale
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 4:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Our first Winter Storm of the season!

A papaya tree has grown to 4 ft out of the compost. We will see if it
survives the winter- it hit freezing here last night. If it does we should
have papaya next summer.

J

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-OT [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Kjos
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:04 AM
To: Off Topic <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-OT] Our first Winter Storm of the season!

No heat?  What's the problem there?  Is this at home or at the cabin?
Hope you get it working again soon.

27 here this morning.  I think I'll make some pancakes to help to counteract
the golf withdrawal haha.

GK



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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Thu Nov 24 18:28:49 2016
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 17:28:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Our first Winter Storm of the season!
In-Reply-To: <012401d2469a$3be22530$b3a66f90$@therareshop.com>
References: <019801d24447$b83a4900$28aedb00$@therareshop.com>
	<05d001d244f6$1cf50930$56df1b90$@winhaven.net>
	<012401d2469a$3be22530$b3a66f90$@therareshop.com>
Message-ID: <CAAZtbWETfobFsSLEgWjFoDDZ2hWrMRpCV4QUo8C7huFhLyj5+Q@mail.gmail.com>

Psst. Wrong door. Down the hall to the left. The one that says OT on it,
if'n y'all don't mind.

B

On Nov 24, 2016 2:34 PM, "Jim Hale" <jim at therareshop.com> wrote:

> Yes. It is very skinny.
>
> J
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> John R Bartow
> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 1:25 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Our first Winter Storm of the season!
> Importance: High
>
> In one year?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Jim
> Hale
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 4:37 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Our first Winter Storm of the season!
>
> A papaya tree has grown to 4 ft out of the compost. We will see if it
> survives the winter- it hit freezing here last night. If it does we should
> have papaya next summer.
>
> J
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-OT [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Gary
> Kjos
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:04 AM
> To: Off Topic <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [dba-OT] Our first Winter Storm of the season!
>
> No heat?  What's the problem there?  Is this at home or at the cabin?
> Hope you get it working again soon.
>
> 27 here this morning.  I think I'll make some pancakes to help to
> counteract
> the golf withdrawal haha.
>
> GK
>
>
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Nov 25 03:01:54 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 19:01:54 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gNsZuxN3nwdJ_e1EZy5QsN_H+cTrDmrBJw-7pQjL6O9A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACF22RC3KWdEkmLp1h8C0yTCgAAAEAAAAHGROvARdZxMsr4V07ouxO0BAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>,
	<E3C486B9D4B943FE8DFB4F3CEF4ADAEC@XPS>,
	<CAEPJO1gNsZuxN3nwdJ_e1EZy5QsN_H+cTrDmrBJw-7pQjL6O9A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5837FE02.29330.7311C399@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Properties are permanent until deliberately changed. :)

Both Globals and Static functions lose their value any time an error occurs :(

-- 
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On 24 Nov 2016 at 10:45, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> Frankly, I never use global variables. For that sort of functionality,
> I always go with static set/get functions. No accidents, that way.
> 
> A.
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Fri Nov 25 12:55:15 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 12:55:15 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13
In-Reply-To: <E3C486B9D4B943FE8DFB4F3CEF4ADAEC@XPS>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACF22RC3KWdEkmLp1h8C0yTCgAAAEAAAAHGROvARdZxMsr4V07ouxO0BAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>,
	<582BFD00.12923.442DFB16@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<114801d23fd8$75a43fb0$60ecbf10$@winhaven.net>	<582C0844.12941.4459FA2D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<115801d23fdd$65889d60$3099d820$@winhaven.net>	<AF9E146AACF44A2592686436E7E94761@XPS>	<05ab01d245c8$a42e28f0$ec8a7ad0$@winhaven.net>
	<E3C486B9D4B943FE8DFB4F3CEF4ADAEC@XPS>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAEYCyN5P/bJBrYSSOqub7FrigAAAEAAAAPa7svJRFRpAvg0NxWgaWoMBAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>

Thanks all,
This app was written in 1999 and I didn't utilize custom properties back
then. I used a hidden sys_table to hold all of the application's custom
(AppName, AppVersion, AppIcon) and licensing information (Developers Contact
Information, LicensedOwner, LicensedOwners Logo, Licensed Owner's contact
info, License Agreement, etc.). The kind of things that were mostly put in
text files back then and didn't "travel well" when people "shared" your
custom apps. Which was happening to me then. So I implemented this method
and utilized the licensing info in the UI and Reports so if someone got the
app without paying they'd at least have suffer through seeing this
information on their screens and reports. Given that much of what I was
doing was for government offices, that helped. :-) 
Any time one of those values was needed I used a lookup function like
DLookup to get it, which worked but was not real efficient. Because the
database properties would be consistent for all users on the PC, as it is
installed as a common program, these are the items that I thought could be
changed to be custom properties. These items are all static and are only
changed upon a new distribution.

Question 1 - Does that make correct to you?

And then there are the 3 global variables. 
Global gfDymoInstalled As Boolean 
A function call checked to see if the user had a Dymo label printer
installed and set this value. It is basically used to show/hide anything in
the UI related to using a Dymo Label Printer. 'OLE objects to communicate
with DLS
Global gobjDymoAddIn As Object
Global gobjDymoLabels As Object
These hold Dymo OLE objects which were loaded by the same function that
checked to make sure a Dymo Label Printer was installed when true.

Question 2 - Does it really make sense to make these a custom property? I'd
have to check every time the app opens to make sure they still exist anyway,
so it sounds like tempvars would be more appropriate.

Question 3 - And I'm not sure why but I'm just a bit leery of holding an OLE
Object as a custom property. Is there a valid reason to be leery of that? 

Question 4 - Does Access hold global variables/tempvar separately for each
user session on the same PC? For instance: I have offices with VDI devices
which allow multiple users to concurrently utilize one PC. If I have 2+ user
sessions using the same Access Application mdb do they share any variables
or just the custom properties? 

John B



From jbartow at winhaven.net  Fri Nov 25 12:55:15 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 12:55:15 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gNsZuxN3nwdJ_e1EZy5QsN_H+cTrDmrBJw-7pQjL6O9A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACF22RC3KWdEkmLp1h8C0yTCgAAAEAAAAHGROvARdZxMsr4V07ouxO0BAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>	<582BFD00.12923.442DFB16@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<114801d23fd8$75a43fb0$60ecbf10$@winhaven.net>	<582C0844.12941.4459FA2D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<115801d23fdd$65889d60$3099d820$@winhaven.net>	<AF9E146AACF44A2592686436E7E94761@XPS>	<05ab01d245c8$a42e28f0$ec8a7ad0$@winhaven.net>	<E3C486B9D4B943FE8DFB4F3CEF4ADAEC@XPS>
	<CAEPJO1gNsZuxN3nwdJ_e1EZy5QsN_H+cTrDmrBJw-7pQjL6O9A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0bd701d2474d$75a22460$60e66d20$@winhaven.net>

Hi Arthur,
I do use those also. In certain cases I find that they work well.
John B

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 9:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error help with upgrade from A03 to A13

Frankly, I never use global variables. For that sort of functionality, I always go with static set/get functions. No accidents, that way.

A.
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Nov 26 21:54:09 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 20:54:09 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Our first Winter Storm of the season!
In-Reply-To: <019801d24447$b83a4900$28aedb00$@therareshop.com>
References: <019801d24447$b83a4900$28aedb00$@therareshop.com>
Message-ID: <54798115.100853333.1480218849021.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Wrap the tree up. The local park did that for years with their Banana trees and it wasn't until some municipal politician decided to save money that the trees died.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Hale" <jim at therareshop.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 2:36:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Our first Winter Storm of the season!

A papaya tree has grown to 4 ft out of the compost. We will see if it
survives the winter- it hit freezing here last night. If it does we should
have papaya next summer.

J

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-OT [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Kjos
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:04 AM
To: Off Topic databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-OT] Our first Winter Storm of the season!

No heat?  What's the problem there?  Is this at home or at the cabin?
Hope you get it working again soon.

27 here this morning.  I think I'll make some pancakes to help to counteract
the golf withdrawal haha.

GK



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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Nov 27 00:50:03 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 16:50:03 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Our first Winter Storm of the season!
In-Reply-To: <54798115.100853333.1480218849021.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <019801d24447$b83a4900$28aedb00$@therareshop.com>,
	<54798115.100853333.1480218849021.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <583A821B.5280.7CE5A4E6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

No such thing as a banana tree  <whistling>

:)

-- 
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On 26 Nov 2016 at 20:54, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Wrap the tree up. The local park did that for years with their Banana
> trees and it wasn't until some municipal politician decided to save
> money that the trees died.
> 
> Jim
> 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Nov 27 04:01:53 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 03:01:53 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Our first Winter Storm of the season!
In-Reply-To: <583A821B.5280.7CE5A4E6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <019801d24447$b83a4900$28aedb00$@therareshop.com>
	<54798115.100853333.1480218849021.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<583A821B.5280.7CE5A4E6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <1678135681.101130790.1480240913712.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

So wise one...what is a banana tree?

http://www.bananaplants.net/banananinfo.html

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "stuart" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 10:50:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Our first Winter Storm of the season!

No such thing as a banana tree  <whistling>

:)

-- 
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On 26 Nov 2016 at 20:54, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Wrap the tree up. The local park did that for years with their Banana
> trees and it wasn't until some municipal politician decided to save
> money that the trees died.
> 
> Jim
> 

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Nov 27 05:07:28 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 21:07:28 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Our first Winter Storm of the season!
In-Reply-To: <1678135681.101130790.1480240913712.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <019801d24447$b83a4900$28aedb00$@therareshop.com>,
	<583A821B.5280.7CE5A4E6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<1678135681.101130790.1480240913712.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <583ABE70.10277.7DD14F5C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Like I said - no such thing as a banana "tree".   :)

Trees have perennial (1) , woody (2) trunks.  

1.  The banana is a herb similar to ginger etc  (only bigger). It grows from a rhizome,  The 
"trunk" dies after it has borne one crop of fruit.  New banana plants are generate as suckers 
by the rhizome and they are short lived.  Only the rhizome itself is "perrenial". 
  
2.  The banana doesn't have a trunk, woody or otherwise. (Other non- trees such as 
bamboos and palms, do have trunks)   The banana's  pseudostem is just a compressed 
mass of leaves (like an onion or  leek)

See http://www.fao.org/docrep/006/t0308e/T0308E03.htm

:)



On 27 Nov 2016 at 3:01, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> So wise one...what is a banana tree?
> 
> http://www.bananaplants.net/banananinfo.html
> 
> Jim
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "stuart" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016
> 10:50:03 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Our first Winter Storm of
> the season!
> 
> No such thing as a banana tree  <whistling>
> 
> :)
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> On 26 Nov 2016 at 20:54, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> 
> > Wrap the tree up. The local park did that for years with their
> > Banana trees and it wasn't until some municipal politician decided
> > to save money that the trees died.
> > 
> > Jim
> > 
> 
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From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk  Sun Nov 27 07:13:08 2016
From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 13:13:08 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Our first Winter Storm of the season!
In-Reply-To: <583ABE70.10277.7DD14F5C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <019801d24447$b83a4900$28aedb00$@therareshop.com>,
	<583A821B.5280.7CE5A4E6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<1678135681.101130790.1480240913712.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<583ABE70.10277.7DD14F5C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAO8VDlNCBfdEkctCy61lm0HCgAAAEAAAAOxrqca6hKpOvf6W1fqsZoYBAAAAAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>

Basic process I use 
At first frost 
Cut all 'leaves' off - and cut any excessively curled or rotted edges from the
remnant of the old leaves that form the stem.
Idea is to not have parts of the plant that will rot too swiftly, or direct rain
or condensing moisture into the stem.

Now - wrap the step in about 2" of insulation - plant matter or rockwool
Don't want to hold moisture against the stem.
Loosely wrap that in plastic to keep rain etc. from soaking the insulation -
Now - for more protection - wrap that - without compressing it in a further
layer of material 
The further layer is to get damp - or even wet, but not so that it slides down
the stem or compresses the inner layer  
And then a reasonably robust  black plastic bag over the top  to stop rain
getting in to the stem or structure from the top.

Theory - the inner layer forms an air gap and the outer layer will freeze
stopping the immediate cold from penetrating to the stem 
Sort of like a pond freezes on-top but not underneath.
The absence of light will slow down growth that occurs during the not so cold
periods
And the capping bag should be stretched by leaves when they do grow,
The tops of the new leaves in the bag may get frosted - but there should be some
new ones apparent when you take the bag off in the spring 

Mostly, the intent is to protect the inner growing tip and developing leaves
from being frozen by snow, or rainwater assisted penetrating frosts.

And - re. rhizome and growth - I had a rhizome of a plant with a 120mm wide
stem,  grow a 'pup' horizontally under the slab and expanding to lift a 60 x
600x 900 path paving slab by a couple of inches. 
Easy to deal with - apart from the slab weight - lift slab, spade off the end of
the rhizome life the pup and it's small amount of roots relay slab and put the
pup to be a 'present' for someone!

(In the 'temperate' South East of England - anything from Mediterranean summers
to  60mm rain in a day, or  -10?c and 3' of snow laying for a few months.- so
little expectation of 'fruit') 

JimB   
 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 11:07 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Our first Winter Storm of the season!

Like I said - no such thing as a banana "tree".   :)

Trees have perennial (1) , woody (2) trunks.  

1.  The banana is a herb similar to ginger etc  (only bigger). It grows from a
rhizome,  The 
"trunk" dies after it has borne one crop of fruit.  New banana plants are
generate as suckers 
by the rhizome and they are short lived.  Only the rhizome itself is
"perrenial". 
  
2.  The banana doesn't have a trunk, woody or otherwise. (Other non- trees such
as 
bamboos and palms, do have trunks)   The banana's  pseudostem is just a
compressed 
mass of leaves (like an onion or  leek)

See http://www.fao.org/docrep/006/t0308e/T0308E03.htm

:)



On 27 Nov 2016 at 3:01, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> So wise one...what is a banana tree?
> 
> http://www.bananaplants.net/banananinfo.html
> 
> Jim
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "stuart" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016
> 10:50:03 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Our first Winter Storm of
> the season!
> 
> No such thing as a banana tree  <whistling>
> 
> :)
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> On 26 Nov 2016 at 20:54, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> 
> > Wrap the tree up. The local park did that for years with their
> > Banana trees and it wasn't until some municipal politician decided
> > to save money that the trees died.
> > 
> > Jim
> > 
> 
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Sun Nov 27 11:04:42 2016
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 10:04:42 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Our first Winter Storm of the season!
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAO8VDlNCBfdEkctCy61lm0HCgAAAEAAAAOxrqca6hKpOvf6W1fqsZoYBAAAAAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <019801d24447$b83a4900$28aedb00$@therareshop.com>
	<583A821B.5280.7CE5A4E6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<1678135681.101130790.1480240913712.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<583ABE70.10277.7DD14F5C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAO8VDlNCBfdEkctCy61lm0HCgAAAEAAAAOxrqca6hKpOvf6W1fqsZoYBAAAAAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CAAZtbWHHSeUfF1=2mJBZEp8YKC5kyEXgoQDXC7Mbd1zg_sF-iw@mail.gmail.com>

OK Gents, Take this over to OT.

Your slightly grumpy Listmaster.

Bryan

On 27 November 2016 at 06:13, James Button <jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Basic process I use
> At first frost
> Cut all 'leaves' off - and cut any excessively curled or rotted edges from the
> remnant of the old leaves that form the stem.
> Idea is to not have parts of the plant that will rot too swiftly, or direct rain
> or condensing moisture into the stem.
>
> Now - wrap the step in about 2" of insulation - plant matter or rockwool
> Don't want to hold moisture against the stem.
> Loosely wrap that in plastic to keep rain etc. from soaking the insulation -
> Now - for more protection - wrap that - without compressing it in a further
> layer of material
> The further layer is to get damp - or even wet, but not so that it slides down
> the stem or compresses the inner layer
> And then a reasonably robust  black plastic bag over the top  to stop rain
> getting in to the stem or structure from the top.
>
> Theory - the inner layer forms an air gap and the outer layer will freeze
> stopping the immediate cold from penetrating to the stem
> Sort of like a pond freezes on-top but not underneath.
> The absence of light will slow down growth that occurs during the not so cold
> periods
> And the capping bag should be stretched by leaves when they do grow,
> The tops of the new leaves in the bag may get frosted - but there should be some
> new ones apparent when you take the bag off in the spring
>
> Mostly, the intent is to protect the inner growing tip and developing leaves
> from being frozen by snow, or rainwater assisted penetrating frosts.
>
> And - re. rhizome and growth - I had a rhizome of a plant with a 120mm wide
> stem,  grow a 'pup' horizontally under the slab and expanding to lift a 60 x
> 600x 900 path paving slab by a couple of inches.
> Easy to deal with - apart from the slab weight - lift slab, spade off the end of
> the rhizome life the pup and it's small amount of roots relay slab and put the
> pup to be a 'present' for someone!
>
> (In the 'temperate' South East of England - anything from Mediterranean summers
> to  60mm rain in a day, or  -10?c and 3' of snow laying for a few months.- so
> little expectation of 'fruit')
>
> JimB
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan
> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 11:07 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Our first Winter Storm of the season!
>
> Like I said - no such thing as a banana "tree".   :)
>
> Trees have perennial (1) , woody (2) trunks.
>
> 1.  The banana is a herb similar to ginger etc  (only bigger). It grows from a
> rhizome,  The
> "trunk" dies after it has borne one crop of fruit.  New banana plants are
> generate as suckers
> by the rhizome and they are short lived.  Only the rhizome itself is
> "perrenial".
>
> 2.  The banana doesn't have a trunk, woody or otherwise. (Other non- trees such
> as
> bamboos and palms, do have trunks)   The banana's  pseudostem is just a
> compressed
> mass of leaves (like an onion or  leek)
>
> See http://www.fao.org/docrep/006/t0308e/T0308E03.htm
>
> :)
>
>
>
> On 27 Nov 2016 at 3:01, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>
>> So wise one...what is a banana tree?
>>
>> http://www.bananaplants.net/banananinfo.html
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "stuart" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016
>> 10:50:03 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Our first Winter Storm of
>> the season!
>>
>> No such thing as a banana tree  <whistling>
>>
>> :)
>>
>> --
>> Stuart
>>
>> On 26 Nov 2016 at 20:54, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>>
>> > Wrap the tree up. The local park did that for years with their
>> > Banana trees and it wasn't until some municipal politician decided
>> > to save money that the trees died.
>> >
>> > Jim
>> >
>>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Nov 27 12:24:20 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 11:24:20 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Our first Winter Storm of the season!
In-Reply-To: <583ABE70.10277.7DD14F5C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <019801d24447$b83a4900$28aedb00$@therareshop.com>
	<583A821B.5280.7CE5A4E6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<1678135681.101130790.1480240913712.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<583ABE70.10277.7DD14F5C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <80622304.101880276.1480271060287.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Thank you Stuart...I feel enlightened. :-)

The banana (bushes ?) that were growing in the park lasted for years...is this because they never had a full crop of bananas? ...or were they just a special ornamental variety?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "stuart" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 3:07:28 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Our first Winter Storm of the season!

Like I said - no such thing as a banana "tree".   :)

Trees have perennial (1) , woody (2) trunks.  

1.  The banana is a herb similar to ginger etc  (only bigger). It grows from a rhizome,  The 
"trunk" dies after it has borne one crop of fruit.  New banana plants are generate as suckers 
by the rhizome and they are short lived.  Only the rhizome itself is "perrenial". 
  
2.  The banana doesn't have a trunk, woody or otherwise. (Other non- trees such as 
bamboos and palms, do have trunks)   The banana's  pseudostem is just a compressed 
mass of leaves (like an onion or  leek)

See http://www.fao.org/docrep/006/t0308e/T0308E03.htm

:)



On 27 Nov 2016 at 3:01, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> So wise one...what is a banana tree?
> 
> http://www.bananaplants.net/banananinfo.html
> 
> Jim
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "stuart" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016
> 10:50:03 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Our first Winter Storm of
> the season!
> 
> No such thing as a banana tree  
> 
> :)
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> On 26 Nov 2016 at 20:54, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> 
> > Wrap the tree up. The local park did that for years with their
> > Banana trees and it wasn't until some municipal politician decided
> > to save money that the trees died.
> > 
> > Jim
> > 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Nov 27 12:58:47 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 11:58:47 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Our first Winter Storm of the season!
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAO8VDlNCBfdEkctCy61lm0HCgAAAEAAAAOxrqca6hKpOvf6W1fqsZoYBAAAAAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <019801d24447$b83a4900$28aedb00$@therareshop.com>
	<583A821B.5280.7CE5A4E6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<1678135681.101130790.1480240913712.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<583ABE70.10277.7DD14F5C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAO8VDlNCBfdEkctCy61lm0HCgAAAEAAAAOxrqca6hKpOvf6W1fqsZoYBAAAAAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>
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That is very interesting.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "James Button" <jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 5:13:08 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Our first Winter Storm of the season!

Basic process I use 
At first frost 
Cut all 'leaves' off - and cut any excessively curled or rotted edges from the
remnant of the old leaves that form the stem.
Idea is to not have parts of the plant that will rot too swiftly, or direct rain
or condensing moisture into the stem.

Now - wrap the step in about 2" of insulation - plant matter or rockwool
Don't want to hold moisture against the stem.
Loosely wrap that in plastic to keep rain etc. from soaking the insulation -
Now - for more protection - wrap that - without compressing it in a further
layer of material 
The further layer is to get damp - or even wet, but not so that it slides down
the stem or compresses the inner layer  
And then a reasonably robust  black plastic bag over the top  to stop rain
getting in to the stem or structure from the top.

Theory - the inner layer forms an air gap and the outer layer will freeze
stopping the immediate cold from penetrating to the stem 
Sort of like a pond freezes on-top but not underneath.
The absence of light will slow down growth that occurs during the not so cold
periods
And the capping bag should be stretched by leaves when they do grow,
The tops of the new leaves in the bag may get frosted - but there should be some
new ones apparent when you take the bag off in the spring 

Mostly, the intent is to protect the inner growing tip and developing leaves
from being frozen by snow, or rainwater assisted penetrating frosts.

And - re. rhizome and growth - I had a rhizome of a plant with a 120mm wide
stem,  grow a 'pup' horizontally under the slab and expanding to lift a 60 x
600x 900 path paving slab by a couple of inches. 
Easy to deal with - apart from the slab weight - lift slab, spade off the end of
the rhizome life the pup and it's small amount of roots relay slab and put the
pup to be a 'present' for someone!

(In the 'temperate' South East of England - anything from Mediterranean summers
to  60mm rain in a day, or  -10?c and 3' of snow laying for a few months.- so
little expectation of 'fruit') 

JimB   
 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 11:07 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Our first Winter Storm of the season!

Like I said - no such thing as a banana "tree".   :)

Trees have perennial (1) , woody (2) trunks.  

1.  The banana is a herb similar to ginger etc  (only bigger). It grows from a
rhizome,  The 
"trunk" dies after it has borne one crop of fruit.  New banana plants are
generate as suckers 
by the rhizome and they are short lived.  Only the rhizome itself is
"perrenial". 
  
2.  The banana doesn't have a trunk, woody or otherwise. (Other non- trees such
as 
bamboos and palms, do have trunks)   The banana's  pseudostem is just a
compressed 
mass of leaves (like an onion or  leek)

See http://www.fao.org/docrep/006/t0308e/T0308E03.htm

:)



On 27 Nov 2016 at 3:01, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> So wise one...what is a banana tree?
> 
> http://www.bananaplants.net/banananinfo.html
> 
> Jim
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "stuart" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016
> 10:50:03 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Our first Winter Storm of
> the season!
> 
> No such thing as a banana tree  <whistling>
> 
> :)
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> On 26 Nov 2016 at 20:54, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> 
> > Wrap the tree up. The local park did that for years with their
> > Banana trees and it wasn't until some municipal politician decided
> > to save money that the trees died.
> > 
> > Jim
> > 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Nov 27 14:29:57 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 06:29:57 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Our first Winter Storm of the season!
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWHHSeUfF1=2mJBZEp8YKC5kyEXgoQDXC7Mbd1zg_sF-iw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <019801d24447$b83a4900$28aedb00$@therareshop.com>,
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAO8VDlNCBfdEkctCy61lm0HCgAAAEAAAAOxrqca6hKpOvf6W1fqsZoYBAAAAAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>,
	<CAAZtbWHHSeUfF1=2mJBZEp8YKC5kyEXgoQDXC7Mbd1zg_sF-iw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <583B4245.5553.7FD4475B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Sorry, I don't think that any of us noticed that this somehow got crossed over from OT where 
it originated.   (

Please sir, it were Jim Hale wot done it!   :)

On 27 Nov 2016 at 10:04, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:

> OK Gents, Take this over to OT.
> 
> Your slightly grumpy Listmaster.
> 
> Bryan
> 
> On 27 November 2016 at 06:13, James Button
> <jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > Basic process I use > At first
> frost > Cut all 'leaves' off - and cut any excessively curled or
> rotted edges from the > remnant of the old leaves that form the stem.


From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Tue Nov 29 14:55:11 2016
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 09:55:11 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
In-Reply-To: <000f01d24415$f8b74cd0$ea25e670$@winhaven.net>
References: <72bdf92a098842f88568fc5e78cc776b@dalyn.co.nz>
	<000f01d24415$f8b74cd0$ea25e670$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <001b01d24a82$e03d8de0$a0b8a9a0$@dalyn.co.nz>

Hi team,

The IT guy says that it seems to have been caused by the way mapped drives
were being refreshed by a group policy.  The setting was Replace when it
should have been Update.

Problem solved and not Access's fault :)

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand




-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
John R Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, 22 November 2016 5:40 a.m.
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
Importance: High

I don't have anyone running Access 2016 on Windows 10 but I do seem to have
a more support issues with Excel 2016  crashing/locking, etc. on Windows 10
than on Windows 7. So it is possible.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted

Further update to this problem from the IT guy:
 
"New Switch has been put in and cabling checked, users like Cam have been
taken off wireless. Av has been modified to remove scanning of DB. I am
pretty confident at this point that from a networking perspective there is
no issues here. We have not had any other issues with the system and there
is other network related task occurring all the time. I think we have a
compatibility issue with possibly Windows 10 and Access 2016 which is the
common element here. One of the other guys in the office is Win 7 with
Office 2016 and he doesn't  have any issues at all. The only difference is
he doesn't do quoting to the same level as the other two though. I think
these difference need to be investigated further as it will probably narrow
down where the issues are."
 
Could the Windows 10/Access 2016 combination be a problem (grasping at
straws).
 
Regards
 
David
 
-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Dettman
Sent: Friday, 11 November 2016 1:51 a.m.
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
 
 The problem with this error is that so many things can cause it, and yes,
it's the network in some way.  JET works fine over a solid LAN with little
issue (and note LAN, not a WAN - can't tell you how many people try to run 
it over a WAN, which it was never designed for).   Problem is, JET will 
complain loudly long before other apps do, so it usually gets blamed for the
problem.
 
 Besides the wireless issue (high latency), also look for NIC cards that
have power management (go to sleep) and disable that.  Also disable any
diagnostic protocol they might have (card disconnects from the network, runs
its tests, then re-connects, which will drive JET nuts).
 
 If your using mapped drives, be aware that windows has a built-in timeout
which needs to be disabled.
 
 Also have them check that DB's are not being virus scanned on the stations
or servers.
 
 And unlike the others, I don't believe going unbound is really a solution.
If your going to bother to do that, then you might as well not use Access.
And for most apps it would be a total re-write anyway. 
 
 A SQL Server backend though to replace JET is certainly an option and
usually not too much of a hill to climb.
 
Jim.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
David Emerson
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 08:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
 
Hi Listers,
 
One of my clients is getting the following error:
 
"The expression After Update you entered as the event property setting
produced the following error: Your network access was interrupted"
 
Does anyone have any experience with this.  Surfing indicates that it is a
network issue rather than an Access one but I am working with another
company in charge of the hardware and am trying to give them leads.
 
Regards
 
David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand
  
  

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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Nov 29 15:19:41 2016
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 16:19:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
In-Reply-To: <001b01d24a82$e03d8de0$a0b8a9a0$@dalyn.co.nz>
References: <72bdf92a098842f88568fc5e78cc776b@dalyn.co.nz>
	<000f01d24415$f8b74cd0$ea25e670$@winhaven.net>
	<001b01d24a82$e03d8de0$a0b8a9a0$@dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <2D24CF1F730D422E989C1F0711F430B7@XPS>


 Great detective work there on their part.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
David Emerson
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 03:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted

Hi team,

The IT guy says that it seems to have been caused by the way mapped drives
were being refreshed by a group policy.  The setting was Replace when it
should have been Update.

Problem solved and not Access's fault :)

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand




-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
John R Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, 22 November 2016 5:40 a.m.
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
Importance: High

I don't have anyone running Access 2016 on Windows 10 but I do seem to have
a more support issues with Excel 2016  crashing/locking, etc. on Windows 10
than on Windows 7. So it is possible.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted

Further update to this problem from the IT guy:
 
"New Switch has been put in and cabling checked, users like Cam have been
taken off wireless. Av has been modified to remove scanning of DB. I am
pretty confident at this point that from a networking perspective there is
no issues here. We have not had any other issues with the system and there
is other network related task occurring all the time. I think we have a
compatibility issue with possibly Windows 10 and Access 2016 which is the
common element here. One of the other guys in the office is Win 7 with
Office 2016 and he doesn't  have any issues at all. The only difference is
he doesn't do quoting to the same level as the other two though. I think
these difference need to be investigated further as it will probably narrow
down where the issues are."
 
Could the Windows 10/Access 2016 combination be a problem (grasping at
straws).
 
Regards
 
David
 
-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Dettman
Sent: Friday, 11 November 2016 1:51 a.m.
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
 
 The problem with this error is that so many things can cause it, and yes,
it's the network in some way.  JET works fine over a solid LAN with little
issue (and note LAN, not a WAN - can't tell you how many people try to run 
it over a WAN, which it was never designed for).   Problem is, JET will 
complain loudly long before other apps do, so it usually gets blamed for the
problem.
 
 Besides the wireless issue (high latency), also look for NIC cards that
have power management (go to sleep) and disable that.  Also disable any
diagnostic protocol they might have (card disconnects from the network, runs
its tests, then re-connects, which will drive JET nuts).
 
 If your using mapped drives, be aware that windows has a built-in timeout
which needs to be disabled.
 
 Also have them check that DB's are not being virus scanned on the stations
or servers.
 
 And unlike the others, I don't believe going unbound is really a solution.
If your going to bother to do that, then you might as well not use Access.
And for most apps it would be a total re-write anyway. 
 
 A SQL Server backend though to replace JET is certainly an option and
usually not too much of a hill to climb.
 
Jim.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
David Emerson
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 08:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
 
Hi Listers,
 
One of my clients is getting the following error:
 
"The expression After Update you entered as the event property setting
produced the following error: Your network access was interrupted"
 
Does anyone have any experience with this.  Surfing indicates that it is a
network issue rather than an Access one but I am working with another
company in charge of the hardware and am trying to give them leads.
 
Regards
 
David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand
  
  

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From jbodin at sbor.com  Tue Nov 29 15:17:13 2016
From: jbodin at sbor.com (John Bodin)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 21:17:13 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
In-Reply-To: <001b01d24a82$e03d8de0$a0b8a9a0$@dalyn.co.nz>
References: <72bdf92a098842f88568fc5e78cc776b@dalyn.co.nz>
	<000f01d24415$f8b74cd0$ea25e670$@winhaven.net>,
	<001b01d24a82$e03d8de0$a0b8a9a0$@dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <CY1PR0401MB1020B024D81620FFA8EEB000BD8D0@CY1PR0401MB1020.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Interesting.  There is a doc about the two options, Replace vs. Update, which I never really understood the whole difference.  Fortunately, I guess, I've always used Update.  Thanks for followup - we'll store this one away for future referral.  Glad you are set.






John Bodin

sBOR Office Systems

jbodin at sbor.com<mailto:jbodin at sbor.com>




________________________________
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of David Emerson <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz>
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 3:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted

Hi team,

The IT guy says that it seems to have been caused by the way mapped drives
were being refreshed by a group policy.  The setting was Replace when it
should have been Update.

Problem solved and not Access's fault :)

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand




-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
John R Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, 22 November 2016 5:40 a.m.
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
Importance: High

I don't have anyone running Access 2016 on Windows 10 but I do seem to have
a more support issues with Excel 2016  crashing/locking, etc. on Windows 10
than on Windows 7. So it is possible.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted

Further update to this problem from the IT guy:

"New Switch has been put in and cabling checked, users like Cam have been
taken off wireless. Av has been modified to remove scanning of DB. I am
pretty confident at this point that from a networking perspective there is
no issues here. We have not had any other issues with the system and there
is other network related task occurring all the time. I think we have a
compatibility issue with possibly Windows 10 and Access 2016 which is the
common element here. One of the other guys in the office is Win 7 with
Office 2016 and he doesn't  have any issues at all. The only difference is
he doesn't do quoting to the same level as the other two though. I think
these difference need to be investigated further as it will probably narrow
down where the issues are."

Could the Windows 10/Access 2016 combination be a problem (grasping at
straws).

Regards

David

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Dettman
Sent: Friday, 11 November 2016 1:51 a.m.
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted

 The problem with this error is that so many things can cause it, and yes,
it's the network in some way.  JET works fine over a solid LAN with little
issue (and note LAN, not a WAN - can't tell you how many people try to run
it over a WAN, which it was never designed for).   Problem is, JET will
complain loudly long before other apps do, so it usually gets blamed for the
problem.

 Besides the wireless issue (high latency), also look for NIC cards that
have power management (go to sleep) and disable that.  Also disable any
diagnostic protocol they might have (card disconnects from the network, runs
its tests, then re-connects, which will drive JET nuts).

 If your using mapped drives, be aware that windows has a built-in timeout
which needs to be disabled.

 Also have them check that DB's are not being virus scanned on the stations
or servers.

 And unlike the others, I don't believe going unbound is really a solution.
If your going to bother to do that, then you might as well not use Access.
And for most apps it would be a total re-write anyway.

 A SQL Server backend though to replace JET is certainly an option and
usually not too much of a hill to climb.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
David Emerson
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 08:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted

Hi Listers,

One of my clients is getting the following error:

"The expression After Update you entered as the event property setting
produced the following error: Your network access was interrupted"

Does anyone have any experience with this.  Surfing indicates that it is a
network issue rather than an Access one but I am working with another
company in charge of the hardware and am trying to give them leads.

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand



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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Nov 29 16:42:33 2016
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 22:42:33 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
In-Reply-To: <001b01d24a82$e03d8de0$a0b8a9a0$@dalyn.co.nz>
References: <72bdf92a098842f88568fc5e78cc776b@dalyn.co.nz>
	<000f01d24415$f8b74cd0$ea25e670$@winhaven.net>
	<001b01d24a82$e03d8de0$a0b8a9a0$@dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <SYXPR01MB1071C2A7399D75D2E9365BE4FC8D0@SYXPR01MB1071.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>


"I don't have anyone running Access 2016 on Windows 10 but I do seem to have a more support issues with Excel 2016  crashing/locking, etc. on Windows 10 than on Windows 7. So it is possible."


We run Access 2016 under windows 10 and it has been the best and most stable version of Access I have used to date.  Surprisingly so, as traditionally MS Access was the unloved basket case of the Office suite.  However - I totally agree with your Excel 2016 observation.  Excel 2016 is less stable and more bothersome than XL2010 - although just how bothersome seems to vary between PC's.  On some units it is fairly stable (although still troublesome) and on others it crashes with alarming regularity.  What is odd is these units (and users) are all similarly specced - using the same tools and skills.

I suspect some of the issues is due to the change to how the UI is handled - especially if you are using code to do things (I also suspect that they didn't beta test the VBA side of thing much either).

On the upside, at least updates are regularly pushed out - often with bug fixes.

Cheers
Darryl.


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From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
Sent: Wednesday, 30 November 2016 7:55 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted

Hi team,

The IT guy says that it seems to have been caused by the way mapped drives were being refreshed by a group policy.  The setting was Replace when it should have been Update.

Problem solved and not Access's fault :)

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand




-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, 22 November 2016 5:40 a.m.
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
Importance: High

I don't have anyone running Access 2016 on Windows 10 but I do seem to have a more support issues with Excel 2016  crashing/locking, etc. on Windows 10 than on Windows 7. So it is possible.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted

Further update to this problem from the IT guy:
 
"New Switch has been put in and cabling checked, users like Cam have been taken off wireless. Av has been modified to remove scanning of DB. I am pretty confident at this point that from a networking perspective there is no issues here. We have not had any other issues with the system and there is other network related task occurring all the time. I think we have a compatibility issue with possibly Windows 10 and Access 2016 which is the common element here. One of the other guys in the office is Win 7 with Office 2016 and he doesn't  have any issues at all. The only difference is he doesn't do quoting to the same level as the other two though. I think these difference need to be investigated further as it will probably narrow down where the issues are."
 
Could the Windows 10/Access 2016 combination be a problem (grasping at straws).
 
Regards
 
David
 
-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, 11 November 2016 1:51 a.m.
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
 
 The problem with this error is that so many things can cause it, and yes, it's the network in some way.  JET works fine over a solid LAN with little issue (and note LAN, not a WAN - can't tell you how many people try to run 
it over a WAN, which it was never designed for).   Problem is, JET will 
complain loudly long before other apps do, so it usually gets blamed for the problem.
 
 Besides the wireless issue (high latency), also look for NIC cards that have power management (go to sleep) and disable that.  Also disable any diagnostic protocol they might have (card disconnects from the network, runs its tests, then re-connects, which will drive JET nuts).
 
 If your using mapped drives, be aware that windows has a built-in timeout which needs to be disabled.
 
 Also have them check that DB's are not being virus scanned on the stations or servers.
 
 And unlike the others, I don't believe going unbound is really a solution.
If your going to bother to do that, then you might as well not use Access.
And for most apps it would be a total re-write anyway. 
 
 A SQL Server backend though to replace JET is certainly an option and usually not too much of a hill to climb.
 
Jim.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 08:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
 
Hi Listers,
 
One of my clients is getting the following error:
 
"The expression After Update you entered as the event property setting produced the following error: Your network access was interrupted"
 
Does anyone have any experience with this.  Surfing indicates that it is a network issue rather than an Access one but I am working with another company in charge of the hardware and am trying to give them leads.
 
Regards
 
David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand
  
  

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From jim at therareshop.com  Tue Nov 29 17:36:00 2016
From: jim at therareshop.com (Jim Hale)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 17:36:00 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Our first Winter Storm of the season!
In-Reply-To: <54798115.100853333.1480218849021.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <019801d24447$b83a4900$28aedb00$@therareshop.com>
	<54798115.100853333.1480218849021.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <027201d24a99$58129430$0837bc90$@therareshop.com>

Will do

J

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 9:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Our first Winter Storm of the season!

Wrap the tree up. The local park did that for years with their Banana trees
and it wasn't until some municipal politician decided to save money that the
trees died.

Jim

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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 2:36:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Our first Winter Storm of the season!

A papaya tree has grown to 4 ft out of the compost. We will see if it
survives the winter- it hit freezing here last night. If it does we should
have papaya next summer.

J

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Kjos
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:04 AM
To: Off Topic databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-OT] Our first Winter Storm of the season!

No heat?  What's the problem there?  Is this at home or at the cabin?
Hope you get it working again soon.

27 here this morning.  I think I'll make some pancakes to help to counteract
the golf withdrawal haha.

GK



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From jim at therareshop.com  Tue Nov 29 17:40:10 2016
From: jim at therareshop.com (Jim Hale)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 17:40:10 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Our first Winter Storm of the season!
In-Reply-To: <583B4245.5553.7FD4475B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <019801d24447$b83a4900$28aedb00$@therareshop.com>,
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAO8VDlNCBfdEkctCy61lm0HCgAAAEAAAAOxrqca6hKpOvf6W1fqsZoYBAAAAAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>,
	<CAAZtbWHHSeUfF1=2mJBZEp8YKC5kyEXgoQDXC7Mbd1zg_sF-iw@mail.gmail.com>
	<583B4245.5553.7FD4475B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <027401d24a99$ec724850$c556d8f0$@therareshop.com>

Sorry. Don't know how that happened

J

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From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 2:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Our first Winter Storm of the season!

Sorry, I don't think that any of us noticed that this somehow got crossed
over from OT where 
it originated.   (

Please sir, it were Jim Hale wot done it!   :)

On 27 Nov 2016 at 10:04, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:

> OK Gents, Take this over to OT.
> 
> Your slightly grumpy Listmaster.
> 
> Bryan
> 
> On 27 November 2016 at 06:13, James Button 
> <jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > Basic process I use > At first 
> frost > Cut all 'leaves' off - and cut any excessively curled or 
> rotted edges from the > remnant of the old leaves that form the stem.

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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Tue Nov 29 20:23:12 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 20:23:12 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
In-Reply-To: <SYXPR01MB1071C2A7399D75D2E9365BE4FC8D0@SYXPR01MB1071.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
References: <72bdf92a098842f88568fc5e78cc776b@dalyn.co.nz>	<000f01d24415$f8b74cd0$ea25e670$@winhaven.net>	<001b01d24a82$e03d8de0$a0b8a9a0$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<SYXPR01MB1071C2A7399D75D2E9365BE4FC8D0@SYXPR01MB1071.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
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My experience is with very basic uses by end users on machines that ran
Excel 2010 & 2013 with minimal problems. From what I've read MS is adding
even more cloud glut to excel so that may be the reason.

With Office 365 business subs you can put off upgrading to 2016 yet but they
are starting to put up nag screens now. Think I'll wait until there is no
option, lol.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Darryl Collins
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 4:43 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted


"I don't have anyone running Access 2016 on Windows 10 but I do seem to have
a more support issues with Excel 2016  crashing/locking, etc. on Windows 10
than on Windows 7. So it is possible."


We run Access 2016 under windows 10 and it has been the best and most stable
version of Access I have used to date.  Surprisingly so, as traditionally MS
Access was the unloved basket case of the Office suite.  However - I totally
agree with your Excel 2016 observation.  Excel 2016 is less stable and more
bothersome than XL2010 - although just how bothersome seems to vary between
PC's.  On some units it is fairly stable (although still troublesome) and on
others it crashes with alarming regularity.  What is odd is these units (and
users) are all similarly specced - using the same tools and skills.

I suspect some of the issues is due to the change to how the UI is handled -
especially if you are using code to do things (I also suspect that they
didn't beta test the VBA side of thing much either).

On the upside, at least updates are regularly pushed out - often with bug
fixes.

Cheers
Darryl.


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
David Emerson
Sent: Wednesday, 30 November 2016 7:55 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted

Hi team,

The IT guy says that it seems to have been caused by the way mapped drives
were being refreshed by a group policy.  The setting was Replace when it
should have been Update.

Problem solved and not Access's fault :)

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand




-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
John R Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, 22 November 2016 5:40 a.m.
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
Importance: High

I don't have anyone running Access 2016 on Windows 10 but I do seem to have
a more support issues with Excel 2016  crashing/locking, etc. on Windows 10
than on Windows 7. So it is possible.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted

Further update to this problem from the IT guy:
 
"New Switch has been put in and cabling checked, users like Cam have been
taken off wireless. Av has been modified to remove scanning of DB. I am
pretty confident at this point that from a networking perspective there is
no issues here. We have not had any other issues with the system and there
is other network related task occurring all the time. I think we have a
compatibility issue with possibly Windows 10 and Access 2016 which is the
common element here. One of the other guys in the office is Win 7 with
Office 2016 and he doesn't  have any issues at all. The only difference is
he doesn't do quoting to the same level as the other two though. I think
these difference need to be investigated further as it will probably narrow
down where the issues are."
 
Could the Windows 10/Access 2016 combination be a problem (grasping at
straws).
 
Regards
 
David
 
-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Dettman
Sent: Friday, 11 November 2016 1:51 a.m.
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
 
 The problem with this error is that so many things can cause it, and yes,
it's the network in some way.  JET works fine over a solid LAN with little
issue (and note LAN, not a WAN - can't tell you how many people try to run 
it over a WAN, which it was never designed for).   Problem is, JET will 
complain loudly long before other apps do, so it usually gets blamed for the
problem.
 
 Besides the wireless issue (high latency), also look for NIC cards that
have power management (go to sleep) and disable that.  Also disable any
diagnostic protocol they might have (card disconnects from the network, runs
its tests, then re-connects, which will drive JET nuts).
 
 If your using mapped drives, be aware that windows has a built-in timeout
which needs to be disabled.
 
 Also have them check that DB's are not being virus scanned on the stations
or servers.
 
 And unlike the others, I don't believe going unbound is really a solution.
If your going to bother to do that, then you might as well not use Access.
And for most apps it would be a total re-write anyway. 
 
 A SQL Server backend though to replace JET is certainly an option and
usually not too much of a hill to climb.
 
Jim.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
David Emerson
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 08:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
 
Hi Listers,
 
One of my clients is getting the following error:
 
"The expression After Update you entered as the event property setting
produced the following error: Your network access was interrupted"
 
Does anyone have any experience with this.  Surfing indicates that it is a
network issue rather than an Access one but I am working with another
company in charge of the hardware and am trying to give them leads.
 
Regards
 
David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand
  
  

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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Nov 30 07:52:43 2016
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 08:52:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
In-Reply-To: <SYXPR01MB1071C2A7399D75D2E9365BE4FC8D0@SYXPR01MB1071.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
References: <72bdf92a098842f88568fc5e78cc776b@dalyn.co.nz>
	<000f01d24415$f8b74cd0$ea25e670$@winhaven.net>
	<001b01d24a82$e03d8de0$a0b8a9a0$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<SYXPR01MB1071C2A7399D75D2E9365BE4FC8D0@SYXPR01MB1071.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <FCD5D21E0EF44000AC48BBEA8A320B9A@XPS>

<<What is odd is these units (and users) are all similarly specced - using
the same tools and skills.>>

  A recent trend in the office suite and with software in general is that
the runtime environment is becoming increasingly complex.

  Just look at the recent problem with network interruptions that we were
discussing; something as innocuous as a group policy with "Replace" instead
of "Update" causes a problem.   Or the move to Win 7 when a lot of Access
apps failed, only to realize that Microsoft added a timeout on mapped drives
of ten minutes (and that's not just Access - had a client with UPS's World
Ship software where that caused a problem).

  And with Office specifically, you now have the MSI/Installed version vs
Click to Run/Office 365 builds. That seems like it will become more of a
hassle as time goes on as I'm seeing more and more questions/problems
related to the mixing of the two.

 I'm not so sure it's the products themselves that are the problem, but the
environment that they run in.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Darryl Collins
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 05:43 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted


"I don't have anyone running Access 2016 on Windows 10 but I do seem to have
a more support issues with Excel 2016  crashing/locking, etc. on Windows 10
than on Windows 7. So it is possible."


We run Access 2016 under windows 10 and it has been the best and most stable
version of Access I have used to date.  Surprisingly so, as traditionally MS
Access was the unloved basket case of the Office suite.  However - I totally
agree with your Excel 2016 observation.  Excel 2016 is less stable and more
bothersome than XL2010 - although just how bothersome seems to vary between
PC's.  On some units it is fairly stable (although still troublesome) and on
others it crashes with alarming regularity.  What is odd is these units (and
users) are all similarly specced - using the same tools and skills.

I suspect some of the issues is due to the change to how the UI is handled -
especially if you are using code to do things (I also suspect that they
didn't beta test the VBA side of thing much either).

On the upside, at least updates are regularly pushed out - often with bug
fixes.

Cheers
Darryl.


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
David Emerson
Sent: Wednesday, 30 November 2016 7:55 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted

Hi team,

The IT guy says that it seems to have been caused by the way mapped drives
were being refreshed by a group policy.  The setting was Replace when it
should have been Update.

Problem solved and not Access's fault :)

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand




-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
John R Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, 22 November 2016 5:40 a.m.
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
Importance: High

I don't have anyone running Access 2016 on Windows 10 but I do seem to have
a more support issues with Excel 2016  crashing/locking, etc. on Windows 10
than on Windows 7. So it is possible.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted

Further update to this problem from the IT guy:
 
"New Switch has been put in and cabling checked, users like Cam have been
taken off wireless. Av has been modified to remove scanning of DB. I am
pretty confident at this point that from a networking perspective there is
no issues here. We have not had any other issues with the system and there
is other network related task occurring all the time. I think we have a
compatibility issue with possibly Windows 10 and Access 2016 which is the
common element here. One of the other guys in the office is Win 7 with
Office 2016 and he doesn't  have any issues at all. The only difference is
he doesn't do quoting to the same level as the other two though. I think
these difference need to be investigated further as it will probably narrow
down where the issues are."
 
Could the Windows 10/Access 2016 combination be a problem (grasping at
straws).
 
Regards
 
David
 
-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Dettman
Sent: Friday, 11 November 2016 1:51 a.m.
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
 
 The problem with this error is that so many things can cause it, and yes,
it's the network in some way.  JET works fine over a solid LAN with little
issue (and note LAN, not a WAN - can't tell you how many people try to run 
it over a WAN, which it was never designed for).   Problem is, JET will 
complain loudly long before other apps do, so it usually gets blamed for the
problem.
 
 Besides the wireless issue (high latency), also look for NIC cards that
have power management (go to sleep) and disable that.  Also disable any
diagnostic protocol they might have (card disconnects from the network, runs
its tests, then re-connects, which will drive JET nuts).
 
 If your using mapped drives, be aware that windows has a built-in timeout
which needs to be disabled.
 
 Also have them check that DB's are not being virus scanned on the stations
or servers.
 
 And unlike the others, I don't believe going unbound is really a solution.
If your going to bother to do that, then you might as well not use Access.
And for most apps it would be a total re-write anyway. 
 
 A SQL Server backend though to replace JET is certainly an option and
usually not too much of a hill to climb.
 
Jim.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
David Emerson
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 08:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
 
Hi Listers,
 
One of my clients is getting the following error:
 
"The expression After Update you entered as the event property setting
produced the following error: Your network access was interrupted"
 
Does anyone have any experience with this.  Surfing indicates that it is a
network issue rather than an Access one but I am working with another
company in charge of the hardware and am trying to give them leads.
 
Regards
 
David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand
  
  

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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Wed Nov 30 16:25:57 2016
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 22:25:57 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
In-Reply-To: <FCD5D21E0EF44000AC48BBEA8A320B9A@XPS>
References: <72bdf92a098842f88568fc5e78cc776b@dalyn.co.nz>
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	<SYXPR01MB1071C2A7399D75D2E9365BE4FC8D0@SYXPR01MB1071.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
	<FCD5D21E0EF44000AC48BBEA8A320B9A@XPS>
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I think you are absolutely spot on with that comment Jim.

Even at home I have the similar issues.  Some W10 updates install fine and on others they fail and cause continual reboots.  Whilst I appreciate it must be fiendishly complex to write and test this stuff, these screw ups must also be pissing a lot of folks off.

I am ok as I have enough tech / google know-how to block / avoid / fix these issues, but if it happened to your average Jo/Joanne PCUser than I cannot imagine the hassle they would go through.  





-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 12:53 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted

<<What is odd is these units (and users) are all similarly specced - using the same tools and skills.>>

  A recent trend in the office suite and with software in general is that the runtime environment is becoming increasingly complex.

  Just look at the recent problem with network interruptions that we were discussing; something as innocuous as a group policy with "Replace" instead
of "Update" causes a problem.   Or the move to Win 7 when a lot of Access
apps failed, only to realize that Microsoft added a timeout on mapped drives of ten minutes (and that's not just Access - had a client with UPS's World Ship software where that caused a problem).

  And with Office specifically, you now have the MSI/Installed version vs Click to Run/Office 365 builds. That seems like it will become more of a hassle as time goes on as I'm seeing more and more questions/problems related to the mixing of the two.

 I'm not so sure it's the products themselves that are the problem, but the environment that they run in.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 05:43 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted


"I don't have anyone running Access 2016 on Windows 10 but I do seem to have a more support issues with Excel 2016  crashing/locking, etc. on Windows 10 than on Windows 7. So it is possible."


We run Access 2016 under windows 10 and it has been the best and most stable version of Access I have used to date.  Surprisingly so, as traditionally MS Access was the unloved basket case of the Office suite.  However - I totally agree with your Excel 2016 observation.  Excel 2016 is less stable and more bothersome than XL2010 - although just how bothersome seems to vary between PC's.  On some units it is fairly stable (although still troublesome) and on others it crashes with alarming regularity.  What is odd is these units (and
users) are all similarly specced - using the same tools and skills.

I suspect some of the issues is due to the change to how the UI is handled - especially if you are using code to do things (I also suspect that they didn't beta test the VBA side of thing much either).

On the upside, at least updates are regularly pushed out - often with bug fixes.

Cheers
Darryl.


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
Sent: Wednesday, 30 November 2016 7:55 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted

Hi team,

The IT guy says that it seems to have been caused by the way mapped drives were being refreshed by a group policy.  The setting was Replace when it should have been Update.

Problem solved and not Access's fault :)

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand




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From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, 22 November 2016 5:40 a.m.
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I don't have anyone running Access 2016 on Windows 10 but I do seem to have a more support issues with Excel 2016  crashing/locking, etc. on Windows 10 than on Windows 7. So it is possible.

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From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:48 PM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted

Further update to this problem from the IT guy:
 
"New Switch has been put in and cabling checked, users like Cam have been taken off wireless. Av has been modified to remove scanning of DB. I am pretty confident at this point that from a networking perspective there is no issues here. We have not had any other issues with the system and there is other network related task occurring all the time. I think we have a compatibility issue with possibly Windows 10 and Access 2016 which is the common element here. One of the other guys in the office is Win 7 with Office 2016 and he doesn't  have any issues at all. The only difference is he doesn't do quoting to the same level as the other two though. I think these difference need to be investigated further as it will probably narrow down where the issues are."
 
Could the Windows 10/Access 2016 combination be a problem (grasping at straws).
 
Regards
 
David
 
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From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, 11 November 2016 1:51 a.m.
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
 
 The problem with this error is that so many things can cause it, and yes, it's the network in some way.  JET works fine over a solid LAN with little issue (and note LAN, not a WAN - can't tell you how many people try to run 
it over a WAN, which it was never designed for).   Problem is, JET will 
complain loudly long before other apps do, so it usually gets blamed for the problem.
 
 Besides the wireless issue (high latency), also look for NIC cards that have power management (go to sleep) and disable that.  Also disable any diagnostic protocol they might have (card disconnects from the network, runs its tests, then re-connects, which will drive JET nuts).
 
 If your using mapped drives, be aware that windows has a built-in timeout which needs to be disabled.
 
 Also have them check that DB's are not being virus scanned on the stations or servers.
 
 And unlike the others, I don't believe going unbound is really a solution.
If your going to bother to do that, then you might as well not use Access.
And for most apps it would be a total re-write anyway. 
 
 A SQL Server backend though to replace JET is certainly an option and usually not too much of a hill to climb.
 
Jim.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 08:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Error: Your network access was interrupted
 
Hi Listers,
 
One of my clients is getting the following error:
 
"The expression After Update you entered as the event property setting produced the following error: Your network access was interrupted"
 
Does anyone have any experience with this.  Surfing indicates that it is a network issue rather than an Access one but I am working with another company in charge of the hardware and am trying to give them leads.
 
Regards
 
David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand
  
  

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