From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Sep  3 08:07:37 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 13:07:37 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Trap when updating time only in SQL Server via ODBC
Message-ID: <AM4PR0601MB2196D93D41BDDDE022100798CAE40@AM4PR0601MB2196.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi all

There is a trap in updating time via ODBC in SQL Server with the dbFailOnError option which I haven't met before:

    http://stackoverflow.com/questions/39303408/

where a time value will be stored with today's date and not the zero-date of Access/VBA, 1899-12-30.

The work-around seems to be either to pass the value as text(!) or to use a query with data type specified parameters.

/gustav

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Sep  3 13:28:05 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 11:28:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Record counter not working
Message-ID: <015d01d20610$e9a78900$bcf69b00$@bchacc.com>

Dear List:

 

I have two text boxes on a form - one shows the total number of records to
be processed and the other is a counter.  So that the form shows that
there's something going on (i.e., Processing Record: 14 of 250).

 

I put 

 

Me.txtRecNo = Me.txtRecNo + 1

 

At the top of the look but it didn't update.

 

So I added:

 

Me.Repaint

 

Still no update. So I added:

 

DoEvents

 

Still no update.  It always reads 0 of n (I initialize the text box with a
zero).

 

Any idea why I can't get this to update?  I use this technique a lot to let
the user know at what point in the process the program is, and it is often
unreliable.  I have used a long variable for the counter and just plugged
the variable into the text box after it was incremented but that doesn't
work in this case.

 

Any ideas appreciated.

 

MTIA

 

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

www.bchacc.com

www.e-z-mrp.com

Skype: rocky.smolin

 

 


From bensonforums at gmail.com  Sat Sep  3 14:05:14 2016
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 15:05:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Record counter not working
In-Reply-To: <015d01d20610$e9a78900$bcf69b00$@bchacc.com>
References: <015d01d20610$e9a78900$bcf69b00$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_0uGjnT1FrSA5vursJ-hwQdM8Vzbm0JfcUDx40LcayFHw@mail.gmail.com>

Is it a continuous for or single? What does "at the top of the look" mean?

On Sep 3, 2016 2:29 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Dear List:
>
>
>
> I have two text boxes on a form - one shows the total number of records to
> be processed and the other is a counter.  So that the form shows that
> there's something going on (i.e., Processing Record: 14 of 250).
>
>
>
> I put
>
>
>
> Me.txtRecNo = Me.txtRecNo + 1
>
>
>
> At the top of the look but it didn't update.
>
>
>
> So I added:
>
>
>
> Me.Repaint
>
>
>
> Still no update. So I added:
>
>
>
> DoEvents
>
>
>
> Still no update.  It always reads 0 of n (I initialize the text box with a
> zero).
>
>
>
> Any idea why I can't get this to update?  I use this technique a lot to let
> the user know at what point in the process the program is, and it is often
> unreliable.  I have used a long variable for the counter and just plugged
> the variable into the text box after it was incremented but that doesn't
> work in this case.
>
>
>
> Any ideas appreciated.
>
>
>
> MTIA
>
>
>
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 760-683-5777
>
> www.bchacc.com
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
>
>
>
>
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Sat Sep  3 14:07:17 2016
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 15:07:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Record counter not working
In-Reply-To: <015d01d20610$e9a78900$bcf69b00$@bchacc.com>
References: <015d01d20610$e9a78900$bcf69b00$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_0MKWR2dvq5i3OEMy9O+ueBPM1YcJHOM4Viz17GCi-D+A@mail.gmail.com>

Try =CLNG(NZ ([txtRecNo],0))+1

On Sep 3, 2016 2:29 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Dear List:
>
>
>
> I have two text boxes on a form - one shows the total number of records to
> be processed and the other is a counter.  So that the form shows that
> there's something going on (i.e., Processing Record: 14 of 250).
>
>
>
> I put
>
>
>
> Me.txtRecNo = Me.txtRecNo + 1
>
>
>
> At the top of the look but it didn't update.
>
>
>
> So I added:
>
>
>
> Me.Repaint
>
>
>
> Still no update. So I added:
>
>
>
> DoEvents
>
>
>
> Still no update.  It always reads 0 of n (I initialize the text box with a
> zero).
>
>
>
> Any idea why I can't get this to update?  I use this technique a lot to let
> the user know at what point in the process the program is, and it is often
> unreliable.  I have used a long variable for the counter and just plugged
> the variable into the text box after it was incremented but that doesn't
> work in this case.
>
>
>
> Any ideas appreciated.
>
>
>
> MTIA
>
>
>
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 760-683-5777
>
> www.bchacc.com
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
>
>
>
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Sep  3 16:46:30 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2016 07:46:30 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Record counter not working
In-Reply-To: <015d01d20610$e9a78900$bcf69b00$@bchacc.com>
References: <>, <015d01d20610$e9a78900$bcf69b00$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <57CB44B6.16470.52D415E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Is all of the procesing code in the form's module or is it done by a single call to a 
function/procedure  in a separate module?

(Failing code not shown!)


On 3 Sep 2016 at 11:28, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> Dear List:
> 
> 
> 
> I have two text boxes on a form - one shows the total number of
> records to be processed and the other is a counter.  So that the form
> shows that there's something going on (i.e., Processing Record: 14 of
> 250).
> 
> 
> 
> I put 
> 
> 
> 
> Me.txtRecNo = Me.txtRecNo + 1
> 
> 
> 
> At the top of the look but it didn't update.
> 
> 
> 
> So I added:
> 
> 
> 
> Me.Repaint
> 
> 
> 
> Still no update. So I added:
> 
> 
> 
> DoEvents
> 
> 
> 
> Still no update.  It always reads 0 of n (I initialize the text box
> with a zero).
> 
> 
> 
> Any idea why I can't get this to update?  I use this technique a lot
> to let the user know at what point in the process the program is, and
> it is often unreliable.  I have used a long variable for the counter
> and just plugged the variable into the text box after it was
> incremented but that doesn't work in this case.
> 
> 
> 
> Any ideas appreciated.
> 
> 
> 
> MTIA
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Rocky Smolin
> 
> Beach Access Software
> 
> 760-683-5777
> 
> www.bchacc.com
> 
> www.e-z-mrp.com
> 
> Skype: rocky.smolin
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Sat Sep  3 16:55:17 2016
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 17:55:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Record counter not working
In-Reply-To: <57CB44B6.16470.52D415E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <015d01d20610$e9a78900$bcf69b00$@bchacc.com>
	<57CB44B6.16470.52D415E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_3GGwg_t8LffGjpQgG2EGRNigaUhSPMff_tMUSC=ReMMQ@mail.gmail.com>

Again, I ask why not put it in the controlsource  of the textbox.

On Sep 3, 2016 5:48 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:

> Is all of the procesing code in the form's module or is it done by a
> single call to a
> function/procedure  in a separate module?
>
> (Failing code not shown!)
>
>
> On 3 Sep 2016 at 11:28, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>
> > Dear List:
> >
> >
> >
> > I have two text boxes on a form - one shows the total number of
> > records to be processed and the other is a counter.  So that the form
> > shows that there's something going on (i.e., Processing Record: 14 of
> > 250).
> >
> >
> >
> > I put
> >
> >
> >
> > Me.txtRecNo = Me.txtRecNo + 1
> >
> >
> >
> > At the top of the look but it didn't update.
> >
> >
> >
> > So I added:
> >
> >
> >
> > Me.Repaint
> >
> >
> >
> > Still no update. So I added:
> >
> >
> >
> > DoEvents
> >
> >
> >
> > Still no update.  It always reads 0 of n (I initialize the text box
> > with a zero).
> >
> >
> >
> > Any idea why I can't get this to update?  I use this technique a lot
> > to let the user know at what point in the process the program is, and
> > it is often unreliable.  I have used a long variable for the counter
> > and just plugged the variable into the text box after it was
> > incremented but that doesn't work in this case.
> >
> >
> >
> > Any ideas appreciated.
> >
> >
> >
> > MTIA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> >
> > Beach Access Software
> >
> > 760-683-5777
> >
> > www.bchacc.com
> >
> > www.e-z-mrp.com
> >
> > Skype: rocky.smolin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Sep  3 17:31:07 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 15:31:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Record counter not working
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_0uGjnT1FrSA5vursJ-hwQdM8Vzbm0JfcUDx40LcayFHw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <015d01d20610$e9a78900$bcf69b00$@bchacc.com>
	<CAJLzs_0uGjnT1FrSA5vursJ-hwQdM8Vzbm0JfcUDx40LcayFHw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01a601d20632$dd9c5fb0$98d51f10$@bchacc.com>

Means at the top of the loop - (stuped spel chequer)

If by continuous or single you mean form it's neither - it's a form not
bound to anything but running a rather complex bunch of code to create a
temp table that gets output to a spreadsheet or a report.

There's a big loop and it might take 10-60 seconds to process the data.  As
it's going through the loop, I know up front how many record are going to be
in the loop (the loop is a recordset so I can get rs.RecordCount).

I show the total records in the loop to the user, and I want to increment a
counter every time through the loop and display that to the user so they
know how many records have been processed and how many remain.  So they know
if they have time to take a dump or whatever before the looping is finished.

R


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Bill Benson
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2016 12:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Record counter not working

Is it a continuous for or single? What does "at the top of the look" mean?

On Sep 3, 2016 2:29 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Dear List:
>
>
>
> I have two text boxes on a form - one shows the total number of 
> records to be processed and the other is a counter.  So that the form 
> shows that there's something going on (i.e., Processing Record: 14 of
250).
>
>
>
> I put
>
>
>
> Me.txtRecNo = Me.txtRecNo + 1
>
>
>
> At the top of the look but it didn't update.
>
>
>
> So I added:
>
>
>
> Me.Repaint
>
>
>
> Still no update. So I added:
>
>
>
> DoEvents
>
>
>
> Still no update.  It always reads 0 of n (I initialize the text box 
> with a zero).
>
>
>
> Any idea why I can't get this to update?  I use this technique a lot 
> to let the user know at what point in the process the program is, and 
> it is often unreliable.  I have used a long variable for the counter 
> and just plugged the variable into the text box after it was 
> incremented but that doesn't work in this case.
>
>
>
> Any ideas appreciated.
>
>
>
> MTIA
>
>
>
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 760-683-5777
>
> www.bchacc.com
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
>
>
>
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Sep  3 17:39:19 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 15:39:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Record counter not working
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_0MKWR2dvq5i3OEMy9O+ueBPM1YcJHOM4Viz17GCi-D+A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <015d01d20610$e9a78900$bcf69b00$@bchacc.com>
	<CAJLzs_0MKWR2dvq5i3OEMy9O+ueBPM1YcJHOM4Viz17GCi-D+A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01a701d20634$02836fc0$078a4f40$@bchacc.com>

Bill:

No soap.  It should work.  But so should Me.txtRecNo=Me. txtRecNo + 1.

Oddly, it worked once while I was trying different things. But then not
again.

R

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Bill Benson
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2016 12:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Record counter not working

Try =CLNG(NZ ([txtRecNo],0))+1

On Sep 3, 2016 2:29 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Dear List:
>
>
>
> I have two text boxes on a form - one shows the total number of 
> records to be processed and the other is a counter.  So that the form 
> shows that there's something going on (i.e., Processing Record: 14 of
250).
>
>
>
> I put
>
>
>
> Me.txtRecNo = Me.txtRecNo + 1
>
>
>
> At the top of the look but it didn't update.
>
>
>
> So I added:
>
>
>
> Me.Repaint
>
>
>
> Still no update. So I added:
>
>
>
> DoEvents
>
>
>
> Still no update.  It always reads 0 of n (I initialize the text box 
> with a zero).
>
>
>
> Any idea why I can't get this to update?  I use this technique a lot 
> to let the user know at what point in the process the program is, and 
> it is often unreliable.  I have used a long variable for the counter 
> and just plugged the variable into the text box after it was 
> incremented but that doesn't work in this case.
>
>
>
> Any ideas appreciated.
>
>
>
> MTIA
>
>
>
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 760-683-5777
>
> www.bchacc.com
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
>
>
>
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Sep  3 17:53:19 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 15:53:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Record counter not working
In-Reply-To: <57CB44B6.16470.52D415E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <>, <015d01d20610$e9a78900$bcf69b00$@bchacc.com>
	<57CB44B6.16470.52D415E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <01ae01d20635$f7398120$e5ac8360$@bchacc.com>

In the form's module.

r

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2016 2:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Record counter not working

Is all of the procesing code in the form's module or is it done by a single
call to a function/procedure  in a separate module?

(Failing code not shown!)


On 3 Sep 2016 at 11:28, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> Dear List:
> 
> 
> 
> I have two text boxes on a form - one shows the total number of 
> records to be processed and the other is a counter.  So that the form 
> shows that there's something going on (i.e., Processing Record: 14 of 
> 250).
> 
> 
> 
> I put
> 
> 
> 
> Me.txtRecNo = Me.txtRecNo + 1
> 
> 
> 
> At the top of the look but it didn't update.
> 
> 
> 
> So I added:
> 
> 
> 
> Me.Repaint
> 
> 
> 
> Still no update. So I added:
> 
> 
> 
> DoEvents
> 
> 
> 
> Still no update.  It always reads 0 of n (I initialize the text box 
> with a zero).
> 
> 
> 
> Any idea why I can't get this to update?  I use this technique a lot 
> to let the user know at what point in the process the program is, and 
> it is often unreliable.  I have used a long variable for the counter 
> and just plugged the variable into the text box after it was 
> incremented but that doesn't work in this case.
> 
> 
> 
> Any ideas appreciated.
> 
> 
> 
> MTIA
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Rocky Smolin
> 
> Beach Access Software
> 
> 760-683-5777
> 
> www.bchacc.com
> 
> www.e-z-mrp.com
> 
> Skype: rocky.smolin
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Sep  3 17:54:13 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 15:54:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Record counter not working
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_3GGwg_t8LffGjpQgG2EGRNigaUhSPMff_tMUSC=ReMMQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <015d01d20610$e9a78900$bcf69b00$@bchacc.com>	<57CB44B6.16470.52D415E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAJLzs_3GGwg_t8LffGjpQgG2EGRNigaUhSPMff_tMUSC=ReMMQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01af01d20636$17849050$468db0f0$@bchacc.com>

Then what triggers it to change as the code loops through its loop?

r

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Bill Benson
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2016 2:55 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Record counter not working

Again, I ask why not put it in the controlsource  of the textbox.

On Sep 3, 2016 5:48 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:

> Is all of the procesing code in the form's module or is it done by a 
> single call to a function/procedure  in a separate module?
>
> (Failing code not shown!)
>
>
> On 3 Sep 2016 at 11:28, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>
> > Dear List:
> >
> >
> >
> > I have two text boxes on a form - one shows the total number of 
> > records to be processed and the other is a counter.  So that the 
> > form shows that there's something going on (i.e., Processing Record: 
> > 14 of 250).
> >
> >
> >
> > I put
> >
> >
> >
> > Me.txtRecNo = Me.txtRecNo + 1
> >
> >
> >
> > At the top of the look but it didn't update.
> >
> >
> >
> > So I added:
> >
> >
> >
> > Me.Repaint
> >
> >
> >
> > Still no update. So I added:
> >
> >
> >
> > DoEvents
> >
> >
> >
> > Still no update.  It always reads 0 of n (I initialize the text box 
> > with a zero).
> >
> >
> >
> > Any idea why I can't get this to update?  I use this technique a lot 
> > to let the user know at what point in the process the program is, 
> > and it is often unreliable.  I have used a long variable for the 
> > counter and just plugged the variable into the text box after it was 
> > incremented but that doesn't work in this case.
> >
> >
> >
> > Any ideas appreciated.
> >
> >
> >
> > MTIA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> >
> > Beach Access Software
> >
> > 760-683-5777
> >
> > www.bchacc.com
> >
> > www.e-z-mrp.com
> >
> > Skype: rocky.smolin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Sep  3 18:04:01 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 16:04:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Record counter not working
In-Reply-To: <01af01d20636$17849050$468db0f0$@bchacc.com>
References: <015d01d20610$e9a78900$bcf69b00$@bchacc.com>	<57CB44B6.16470.52D415E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<CAJLzs_3GGwg_t8LffGjpQgG2EGRNigaUhSPMff_tMUSC=ReMMQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<01af01d20636$17849050$468db0f0$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <01c001d20637$76062d90$621288b0$@bchacc.com>

OK- here's a clue (don't know what to make of it though)

I put msgbox "Stop" after the Me.txtRecNo = CLng(Nz([txtRecNo], 0)) + 1 and
the text box showed as updated.  Actually is also worked with the simple
Me.txtRecNo = Me.txtRecNo + 1.


So is it a timing thing?  I tried Me.Repaint and DoEvents to no avail.

TIA


r

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2016 3:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Record counter not working

Then what triggers it to change as the code loops through its loop?

r

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Bill Benson
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2016 2:55 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Record counter not working

Again, I ask why not put it in the controlsource  of the textbox.

On Sep 3, 2016 5:48 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:

> Is all of the procesing code in the form's module or is it done by a 
> single call to a function/procedure  in a separate module?
>
> (Failing code not shown!)
>
>
> On 3 Sep 2016 at 11:28, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>
> > Dear List:
> >
> >
> >
> > I have two text boxes on a form - one shows the total number of 
> > records to be processed and the other is a counter.  So that the 
> > form shows that there's something going on (i.e., Processing Record:
> > 14 of 250).
> >
> >
> >
> > I put
> >
> >
> >
> > Me.txtRecNo = Me.txtRecNo + 1
> >
> >
> >
> > At the top of the look but it didn't update.
> >
> >
> >
> > So I added:
> >
> >
> >
> > Me.Repaint
> >
> >
> >
> > Still no update. So I added:
> >
> >
> >
> > DoEvents
> >
> >
> >
> > Still no update.  It always reads 0 of n (I initialize the text box 
> > with a zero).
> >
> >
> >
> > Any idea why I can't get this to update?  I use this technique a lot 
> > to let the user know at what point in the process the program is, 
> > and it is often unreliable.  I have used a long variable for the 
> > counter and just plugged the variable into the text box after it was 
> > incremented but that doesn't work in this case.
> >
> >
> >
> > Any ideas appreciated.
> >
> >
> >
> > MTIA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> >
> > Beach Access Software
> >
> > 760-683-5777
> >
> > www.bchacc.com
> >
> > www.e-z-mrp.com
> >
> > Skype: rocky.smolin
> >
> >
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Sep  3 18:14:59 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2016 09:14:59 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Record counter not working
In-Reply-To: <01c001d20637$76062d90$621288b0$@bchacc.com>
References: <015d01d20610$e9a78900$bcf69b00$@bchacc.com>,
	<01af01d20636$17849050$468db0f0$@bchacc.com>,
	<01c001d20637$76062d90$621288b0$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <57CB5973.7690.57E443D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Did you have both Me.Repaint and DoEvents or did you only try it with each of those 
separately?


On 3 Sep 2016 at 16:04, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> OK- here's a clue (don't know what to make of it though)
> 
> I put msgbox "Stop" after the Me.txtRecNo = CLng(Nz([txtRecNo], 0)) +
> 1 and the text box showed as updated.  Actually is also worked with
> the simple Me.txtRecNo = Me.txtRecNo + 1.
> 
> 
> So is it a timing thing?  I tried Me.Repaint and DoEvents to no avail.
> 
> TIA
> 
> 
> r
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2016 3:54 PM To: 'Access
> Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD]
> Record counter not working
> 
> Then what triggers it to change as the code loops through its loop?
> 
> r
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Bill Benson Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2016 2:55 PM To: Access
> Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD]
> Record counter not working
> 
> Again, I ask why not put it in the controlsource  of the textbox.
> 
> On Sep 3, 2016 5:48 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> wrote:
> 
> > Is all of the procesing code in the form's module or is it done by a
> > single call to a function/procedure  in a separate module?
> >
> > (Failing code not shown!)
> >
> >
> > On 3 Sep 2016 at 11:28, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> >
> > > Dear List:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have two text boxes on a form - one shows the total number of
> > > records to be processed and the other is a counter.  So that the
> > > form shows that there's something going on (i.e., Processing
> > > Record: 14 of 250).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I put
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Me.txtRecNo = Me.txtRecNo + 1
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > At the top of the look but it didn't update.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > So I added:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Me.Repaint
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Still no update. So I added:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > DoEvents
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Still no update.  It always reads 0 of n (I initialize the text
> > > box with a zero).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Any idea why I can't get this to update?  I use this technique a
> > > lot to let the user know at what point in the process the program
> > > is, and it is often unreliable.  I have used a long variable for
> > > the counter and just plugged the variable into the text box after
> > > it was incremented but that doesn't work in this case.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Any ideas appreciated.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > MTIA
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Rocky Smolin
> > >
> > > Beach Access Software
> > >
> > > 760-683-5777
> > >
> > > www.bchacc.com
> > >
> > > www.e-z-mrp.com
> > >
> > > Skype: rocky.smolin
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Sep  3 21:51:44 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 19:51:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Record counter not working
In-Reply-To: <57CB5973.7690.57E443D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <015d01d20610$e9a78900$bcf69b00$@bchacc.com>,
	<01af01d20636$17849050$468db0f0$@bchacc.com>,
	<01c001d20637$76062d90$621288b0$@bchacc.com>
	<57CB5973.7690.57E443D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <01dd01d20657$45d4efb0$d17ecf10$@bchacc.com>

First one, then the other, then both, then in reverse order.  I left no tern
unstoned.

R


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2016 4:15 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Record counter not working

Did you have both Me.Repaint and DoEvents or did you only try it with each
of those separately?


On 3 Sep 2016 at 16:04, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> OK- here's a clue (don't know what to make of it though)
> 
> I put msgbox "Stop" after the Me.txtRecNo = CLng(Nz([txtRecNo], 0)) +
> 1 and the text box showed as updated.  Actually is also worked with
> the simple Me.txtRecNo = Me.txtRecNo + 1.
> 
> 
> So is it a timing thing?  I tried Me.Repaint and DoEvents to no avail.
> 
> TIA
> 
> 
> r
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2016 3:54 PM To: 'Access
> Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD]
> Record counter not working
> 
> Then what triggers it to change as the code loops through its loop?
> 
> r
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Bill Benson Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2016 2:55 PM To: Access
> Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD]
> Record counter not working
> 
> Again, I ask why not put it in the controlsource  of the textbox.
> 
> On Sep 3, 2016 5:48 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> wrote:
> 
> > Is all of the procesing code in the form's module or is it done by a
> > single call to a function/procedure  in a separate module?
> >
> > (Failing code not shown!)
> >
> >
> > On 3 Sep 2016 at 11:28, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> >
> > > Dear List:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have two text boxes on a form - one shows the total number of
> > > records to be processed and the other is a counter.  So that the
> > > form shows that there's something going on (i.e., Processing
> > > Record: 14 of 250).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I put
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Me.txtRecNo = Me.txtRecNo + 1
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > At the top of the look but it didn't update.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > So I added:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Me.Repaint
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Still no update. So I added:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > DoEvents
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Still no update.  It always reads 0 of n (I initialize the text
> > > box with a zero).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Any idea why I can't get this to update?  I use this technique a
> > > lot to let the user know at what point in the process the program
> > > is, and it is often unreliable.  I have used a long variable for
> > > the counter and just plugged the variable into the text box after
> > > it was incremented but that doesn't work in this case.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Any ideas appreciated.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > MTIA
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Rocky Smolin
> > >
> > > Beach Access Software
> > >
> > > 760-683-5777
> > >
> > > www.bchacc.com
> > >
> > > www.e-z-mrp.com
> > >
> > > Skype: rocky.smolin
> > >
> > >
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Sep  5 22:59:53 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 21:59:53 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Getting rid of fossil fuel dependancy
In-Reply-To: <01c001d20637$76062d90$621288b0$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <832341931.74590272.1473134393697.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

The small country of Costa Rica now virtually create all its electricity through renewable. 

https://www.ted.com/talks/monica_araya_a_small_country_with_big_ideas_to_get_rid_of_fossil_fuels?language=en

http://bit.ly/2cj87nY

Jim 

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Sep  5 23:29:27 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2016 14:29:27 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Getting rid of fossil fuel dependancy
In-Reply-To: <832341931.74590272.1473134393697.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <01c001d20637$76062d90$621288b0$@bchacc.com>,
	<832341931.74590272.1473134393697.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <57CE4627.1910.10EAAA0C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Yep, pity that there aren't any other  countries  fortunate enough to be able to generate 95% 
of their electricity needs from hydro (80%) and  geothermal (15%).

That's what you can do with a small population, no major industry, highly volcanic 
mountainous terrain and the 4th highest rainfall in the world.    

Hardly an exemplar for any other nation.   But the greenies sure do love to ignore the details 
and pretend that it is a feasible option for everyone.



-- 
Stuart


On 5 Sep 2016 at 21:59, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> The small country of Costa Rica now virtually create all its
> electricity through renewable. 
> 
> https://www.ted.com/talks/monica_araya_a_small_country_with_big_ideas_
> to_get_rid_of_fossil_fuels?language=en
> 
> http://bit.ly/2cj87nY
> 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Sep  5 23:31:03 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2016 14:31:03 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Getting rid of fossil fuel dependancy
In-Reply-To: <832341931.74590272.1473134393697.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <01c001d20637$76062d90$621288b0$@bchacc.com>,
	<832341931.74590272.1473134393697.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <57CE4687.26035.10EC21EA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Just notices this is AccessD.  I think Jim meant it for Access-OT.

My apologies for littering with my previous response.



On 5 Sep 2016 at 21:59, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> The small country of Costa Rica now virtually create all its
> electricity through renewable. 
> 
> https://www.ted.com/talks/monica_araya_a_small_country_with_big_ideas_
> to_get_rid_of_fossil_fuels?language=en
> 
> http://bit.ly/2cj87nY
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Sep  5 23:51:55 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 22:51:55 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Getting rid of fossil fuel dependancy
In-Reply-To: <57CE4627.1910.10EAAA0C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <2017392798.74610279.1473137515265.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

That environment, minus volcanoes describes our province and we are not alone. There are countries in Africa and South America that have appropriate natural conditions. The region of Scandinavia are also working to achieve similar results. Then there are regions through out north Africa that have a stellar results from the combination use of wind and solar power. 

There are hundreds of countries that have already achieved a certain level energy independence. They are not all near a hundred percent but every percentage move toward energy freedom is a positive move. Considering a decade or so ago renewable energy was little more than a concept. 

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 9:29:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Getting rid of fossil fuel dependancy

Yep, pity that there aren't any other  countries  fortunate enough to be able to generate 95% 
of their electricity needs from hydro (80%) and  geothermal (15%).

That's what you can do with a small population, no major industry, highly volcanic 
mountainous terrain and the 4th highest rainfall in the world.    

Hardly an exemplar for any other nation.   But the greenies sure do love to ignore the details 
and pretend that it is a feasible option for everyone.



-- 
Stuart


On 5 Sep 2016 at 21:59, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> The small country of Costa Rica now virtually create all its
> electricity through renewable. 
> 
> https://www.ted.com/talks/monica_araya_a_small_country_with_big_ideas_
> to_get_rid_of_fossil_fuels?language=en
> 
> http://bit.ly/2cj87nY
> 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Sep  6 00:43:49 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 22:43:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Getting rid of fossil fuel dependency
Message-ID: <007801d20801$a48058f0$ed810ad0$@bchacc.com>

And why is it such a subject of derision that a country supplies anywhere
from 1 to 100% of its energy from renewable sources?  

What if a country (or a province) can supply only a quarter or a third of
its energy from wind, wave, hydro, geothermal, or solar? Where's the
downside? 

A smart country will get its energy from a whole smorgasbord of energy
sources.  Like a diversified portfolio - is reduces volatility and increases
the total energy available. 

Remarkable that one country, regardless of their special resources, should
achieve total independence from conventional power generation, and perhaps
lead other countries to look at their un- or under-developed alternates. 

There is simply no downside to this. 

r

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 9:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Getting rid of fossil fuel dependancy

That environment, minus volcanoes describes our province and we are not
alone. There are countries in Africa and South America that have appropriate
natural conditions. The region of Scandinavia are also working to achieve
similar results. Then there are regions through out north Africa that have a
stellar results from the combination use of wind and solar power. 

There are hundreds of countries that have already achieved a certain level
energy independence. They are not all near a hundred percent but every
percentage move toward energy freedom is a positive move. Considering a
decade or so ago renewable energy was little more than a concept. 

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 9:29:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Getting rid of fossil fuel dependancy

Yep, pity that there aren't any other  countries  fortunate enough to be
able to generate 95% of their electricity needs from hydro (80%) and
geothermal (15%).

That's what you can do with a small population, no major industry, highly
volcanic 
mountainous terrain and the 4th highest rainfall in the world.    

Hardly an exemplar for any other nation.   But the greenies sure do love to
ignore the details 
and pretend that it is a feasible option for everyone.



--
Stuart


On 5 Sep 2016 at 21:59, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> The small country of Costa Rica now virtually create all its
> electricity through renewable. 
> 
> https://www.ted.com/talks/monica_araya_a_small_country_with_big_ideas_
> to_get_rid_of_fossil_fuels?language=en
> 
> http://bit.ly/2cj87nY
> 
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Sep  6 20:45:58 2016
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 01:45:58 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10 Downloads - Notify for download hack - only
 slightly OT
Message-ID: <SYXPR01MB10711F14757FB7F6FFCFB9FDFCF80@SYXPR01MB1071.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>

As many of you know, windows 10 downloads can be problematic to manage.
We run many PC's at our work and the automatic download was giving us a lot of grief and network issues.

One of the guys poked around behind the scenes and found a registry hack that allows you to be notified when a download is available so you can download it when it suits (pretty much
Like you could do with Windows 7 updates).   If anyone want the actual reg file itself, which you just click to run and it is set up, email me and I will send you a zipped version off list.  Or you can set it up manually via reg edit
as per the copied email below.

This setting is in Windows 10, but it is not presented as an option to the users - the only way to get it working is via the Registry hack.
I haven't tested this yet, but I believe this works for the Windows 10 Home variant as well.
Cheers
Darryl.


'----------------------------------------------- START OF COPIED EMAIL

Hey guys,

As you are aware the recent upgrade to Windows 10 has had a detrimental effect on our internet connection.
All it takes is one PC to start downloading updates and everything goes downhill.  It is having a big effect on Skype and TeamViewer.

I've been looking at fixes (and Internet upgrade options) and have found an interim solution - to stop Windows 10 from automatically downloading updates.
It is a behind the scene type of adjustment but it works, the caveat being you will need to make sure you update manually which is important for security reasons.

Please set this up for all your machines.   Will also need to do for the other machines (not Process) that are in the office.

There are 2 ways to create the "Notify for Download" setting (which does not exist in the user interface).


1.       Just run the attached registry hack (will prob have to save to local drive first).  Quick, easy and just works.

or


2.       If you are more curiuos/adventerous you can make the change in the Group Policy Editor:

a.       Press Windows Key + R to open the Run dialog

b.       Type gpedit.msc and then Enter

c.       Navigate to Computer Configuration\Administrative Templates\Windows Components\Windows Update

d.       Locate the "Configure Automatic Updates" setting in the right pane and double-click it

e.       Set it to "Enabled"

f.        Select "2 - Notify for download and notify for install"

g.       Save changes.


Once you have done either option you can see this change here:

1.       Visit the Windows Update pane in the Settings app and click "Check for updates."

2.       You can then click "Advanced options" and you'll see your new setting here (as in the pic below)



'----------------------------------------------- END OF COPIED EMAIL




Darryl Collins
Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127

w3w: petty.legs.zoom

p: +61 3 9898 3242
m: +61 418 381 548
f: +61 3 9898 1855
e: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au<mailto:darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au<http://www.whittleconsulting.com.au/>


From jm.hwsn at gmail.com  Wed Sep  7 11:44:06 2016
From: jm.hwsn at gmail.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 11:44:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10 Downloads - Notify for download hack -
 only slightly OT
In-Reply-To: <SYXPR01MB10711F14757FB7F6FFCFB9FDFCF80@SYXPR01MB1071.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
References: <SYXPR01MB10711F14757FB7F6FFCFB9FDFCF80@SYXPR01MB1071.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CACbV_8PBGfYOYJZ7WLnpQteHiH86an5GVkXMdho_pR1JKLiysw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Darryl. This is very useful.
The automatic download and install is also problematic when using a laptop
through a hotspot. The downloads can chew up the data very quickly. I
learned the hard way.
The only problem I had was the Windows 10 version that is on my laptop is
"Home"... it doesn't have the gpedit utility. I did find it on the
internet, downloaded and installed it... works well.
Thanks,
Jim

On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 8:45 PM, Darryl Collins <
darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> As many of you know, windows 10 downloads can be problematic to manage.
> We run many PC's at our work and the automatic download was giving us a
> lot of grief and network issues.
>
> One of the guys poked around behind the scenes and found a registry hack
> that allows you to be notified when a download is available so you can
> download it when it suits (pretty much
> Like you could do with Windows 7 updates).   If anyone want the actual reg
> file itself, which you just click to run and it is set up, email me and I
> will send you a zipped version off list.  Or you can set it up manually via
> reg edit
> as per the copied email below.
>
> This setting is in Windows 10, but it is not presented as an option to the
> users - the only way to get it working is via the Registry hack.
> I haven't tested this yet, but I believe this works for the Windows 10
> Home variant as well.
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
>
> '----------------------------------------------- START OF COPIED EMAIL
>
> Hey guys,
>
> As you are aware the recent upgrade to Windows 10 has had a detrimental
> effect on our internet connection.
> All it takes is one PC to start downloading updates and everything goes
> downhill.  It is having a big effect on Skype and TeamViewer.
>
> I've been looking at fixes (and Internet upgrade options) and have found
> an interim solution - to stop Windows 10 from automatically downloading
> updates.
> It is a behind the scene type of adjustment but it works, the caveat being
> you will need to make sure you update manually which is important for
> security reasons.
>
> Please set this up for all your machines.   Will also need to do for the
> other machines (not Process) that are in the office.
>
> There are 2 ways to create the "Notify for Download" setting (which does
> not exist in the user interface).
>
>
> 1.       Just run the attached registry hack (will prob have to save to
> local drive first).  Quick, easy and just works.
>
> or
>
>
> 2.       If you are more curiuos/adventerous you can make the change in
> the Group Policy Editor:
>
> a.       Press Windows Key + R to open the Run dialog
>
> b.       Type gpedit.msc and then Enter
>
> c.       Navigate to Computer Configuration\Administrative
> Templates\Windows Components\Windows Update
>
> d.       Locate the "Configure Automatic Updates" setting in the right
> pane and double-click it
>
> e.       Set it to "Enabled"
>
> f.        Select "2 - Notify for download and notify for install"
>
> g.       Save changes.
>
>
> Once you have done either option you can see this change here:
>
> 1.       Visit the Windows Update pane in the Settings app and click
> "Check for updates."
>
> 2.       You can then click "Advanced options" and you'll see your new
> setting here (as in the pic below)
>
>
>
> '----------------------------------------------- END OF COPIED EMAIL
>
>
>
>
> Darryl Collins
> Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
> Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
> Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127
>
> w3w: petty.legs.zoom
>
> p: +61 3 9898 3242
> m: +61 418 381 548
> f: +61 3 9898 1855
> e: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au<mailto:darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
> w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au<http://www.whittleconsulting.com.au/>
>
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Wed Sep  7 11:58:54 2016
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 12:58:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10 Downloads - Notify for download hack -
 only slightly OT
In-Reply-To: <CACbV_8PBGfYOYJZ7WLnpQteHiH86an5GVkXMdho_pR1JKLiysw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <SYXPR01MB10711F14757FB7F6FFCFB9FDFCF80@SYXPR01MB1071.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
	<CACbV_8PBGfYOYJZ7WLnpQteHiH86an5GVkXMdho_pR1JKLiysw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_2hrXQXZwLBpkiY4C-xqxWs9n5-BGiiVA0SDu156VYPFQ@mail.gmail.com>

In most corporations you (1) cannot hack your registry and (2) the
Infrastructure team is going to push updates along when they feel like it
anyway. But it might help me at home. As If I am going to move to Win10 any
time soon, with Win7 still supported for a little while. And by that time,
MS might find a way to neutralize this hack.

On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Jim Hewson <jm.hwsn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Darryl. This is very useful.
> The automatic download and install is also problematic when using a laptop
> through a hotspot. The downloads can chew up the data very quickly. I
> learned the hard way.
> The only problem I had was the Windows 10 version that is on my laptop is
> "Home"... it doesn't have the gpedit utility. I did find it on the
> internet, downloaded and installed it... works well.
> Thanks,
> Jim
>
> On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 8:45 PM, Darryl Collins <
> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:
>
> > As many of you know, windows 10 downloads can be problematic to manage.
> > We run many PC's at our work and the automatic download was giving us a
> > lot of grief and network issues.
> >
> > One of the guys poked around behind the scenes and found a registry hack
> > that allows you to be notified when a download is available so you can
> > download it when it suits (pretty much
> > Like you could do with Windows 7 updates).   If anyone want the actual
> reg
> > file itself, which you just click to run and it is set up, email me and I
> > will send you a zipped version off list.  Or you can set it up manually
> via
> > reg edit
> > as per the copied email below.
> >
> > This setting is in Windows 10, but it is not presented as an option to
> the
> > users - the only way to get it working is via the Registry hack.
> > I haven't tested this yet, but I believe this works for the Windows 10
> > Home variant as well.
> > Cheers
> > Darryl.
> >
> >
> > '----------------------------------------------- START OF COPIED EMAIL
> >
> > Hey guys,
> >
> > As you are aware the recent upgrade to Windows 10 has had a detrimental
> > effect on our internet connection.
> > All it takes is one PC to start downloading updates and everything goes
> > downhill.  It is having a big effect on Skype and TeamViewer.
> >
> > I've been looking at fixes (and Internet upgrade options) and have found
> > an interim solution - to stop Windows 10 from automatically downloading
> > updates.
> > It is a behind the scene type of adjustment but it works, the caveat
> being
> > you will need to make sure you update manually which is important for
> > security reasons.
> >
> > Please set this up for all your machines.   Will also need to do for the
> > other machines (not Process) that are in the office.
> >
> > There are 2 ways to create the "Notify for Download" setting (which does
> > not exist in the user interface).
> >
> >
> > 1.       Just run the attached registry hack (will prob have to save to
> > local drive first).  Quick, easy and just works.
> >
> > or
> >
> >
> > 2.       If you are more curiuos/adventerous you can make the change in
> > the Group Policy Editor:
> >
> > a.       Press Windows Key + R to open the Run dialog
> >
> > b.       Type gpedit.msc and then Enter
> >
> > c.       Navigate to Computer Configuration\Administrative
> > Templates\Windows Components\Windows Update
> >
> > d.       Locate the "Configure Automatic Updates" setting in the right
> > pane and double-click it
> >
> > e.       Set it to "Enabled"
> >
> > f.        Select "2 - Notify for download and notify for install"
> >
> > g.       Save changes.
> >
> >
> > Once you have done either option you can see this change here:
> >
> > 1.       Visit the Windows Update pane in the Settings app and click
> > "Check for updates."
> >
> > 2.       You can then click "Advanced options" and you'll see your new
> > setting here (as in the pic below)
> >
> >
> >
> > '----------------------------------------------- END OF COPIED EMAIL
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Darryl Collins
> > Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
> > Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
> > Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127
> >
> > w3w: petty.legs.zoom
> >
> > p: +61 3 9898 3242
> > m: +61 418 381 548
> > f: +61 3 9898 1855
> > e: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au<mailto:darryl@
> whittleconsulting.com.au>
> > w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au<http://www.whittleconsulting.com.au/>
> >
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Wed Sep  7 14:00:51 2016
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 19:00:51 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Form label not refreshing
Message-ID: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB294CE4F6@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>

I have a module that opens a form and runs some queries. After each query runs the label on the form is supposed to refresh and display. The code refreshes the form if I step through it but not if I run it . I put some sleep statements in which work when stepping through the code but not when running it. Is my strategy flawed? Below is part of the code. Thanks for any ideas.

Option Compare Database
Declare Sub Sleep Lib "kernel32" (ByVal dwMilliseconds As Long)
Function A()
    Call Active_Well_Counts_by_Project_Area
End Function
'------------------------------------------------------------
' mdl Active_Well_Counts_by_Project_Area
'
'------------------------------------------------------------
Sub Active_Well_Counts_by_Project_Area()


Dim frmMessage As Form
DoCmd.OpenForm "frm Message Form 1"
Set frmMessage = Forms("frm Message Form 1")


On Error GoTo Active_Well_Counts_by_Project_Area_Err

    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    DoCmd.OpenQuery "qry Status First Day of Prior Month", acViewNormal, acEdit
    frmMessage.ProgressMessage.Caption = "Getting Well Statuses during Month"                           'This one works
    DoCmd.OpenQuery "qry Statuses During Prior Month", acViewNormal, acEdit
    frmMessage.ProgressMessage.Caption = "Getting Active Injectors List Prior Month"                  'blows by this
    Sleep 10000
    DoCmd.OpenQuery "qry Active Injectors List Prior Month", acViewNormal, acEdit
    frmMessage.ProgressMessage.Caption = "Getting Active Producers List Prior Month"
    Sleep 10000


From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Wed Sep  7 14:03:51 2016
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 19:03:51 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Form label not refreshing
In-Reply-To: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB294CE4F6@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB294CE4F6@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA862B95992@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>

Try a DoEvents after each frmMessage.ProgressMessage.Caption = "" line.


Lambert? 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 3:01 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Form label not refreshing

I have a module that opens a form and runs some queries. After each query runs the label on the form is supposed to refresh and display. The code refreshes the form if I step through it but not if I run it . I put some sleep statements in which work when stepping through the code but not when running it. Is my strategy flawed? Below is part of the code. Thanks for any ideas.

Option Compare Database
Declare Sub Sleep Lib "kernel32" (ByVal dwMilliseconds As Long) Function A()
    Call Active_Well_Counts_by_Project_Area
End Function
'------------------------------------------------------------
' mdl Active_Well_Counts_by_Project_Area
'
'------------------------------------------------------------
Sub Active_Well_Counts_by_Project_Area()


Dim frmMessage As Form
DoCmd.OpenForm "frm Message Form 1"
Set frmMessage = Forms("frm Message Form 1")


On Error GoTo Active_Well_Counts_by_Project_Area_Err

    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    DoCmd.OpenQuery "qry Status First Day of Prior Month", acViewNormal, acEdit
    frmMessage.ProgressMessage.Caption = "Getting Well Statuses during Month"                           'This one works
    DoCmd.OpenQuery "qry Statuses During Prior Month", acViewNormal, acEdit
    frmMessage.ProgressMessage.Caption = "Getting Active Injectors List Prior Month"                  'blows by this
    Sleep 10000
    DoCmd.OpenQuery "qry Active Injectors List Prior Month", acViewNormal, acEdit
    frmMessage.ProgressMessage.Caption = "Getting Active Producers List Prior Month"
    Sleep 10000

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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Wed Sep  7 14:15:15 2016
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 19:15:15 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Form label not refreshing
In-Reply-To: <D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA862B95992@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>
References: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB294CE4F6@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>
	<D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA862B95992@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB294CE511@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>

That was it. Works perfectly. Had a DoEvents in there originally but in the wrong place. Thank You.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 2:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form label not refreshing

Try a DoEvents after each frmMessage.ProgressMessage.Caption = "" line.


Lambert? 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 3:01 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Form label not refreshing

I have a module that opens a form and runs some queries. After each query runs the label on the form is supposed to refresh and display. The code refreshes the form if I step through it but not if I run it . I put some sleep statements in which work when stepping through the code but not when running it. Is my strategy flawed? Below is part of the code. Thanks for any ideas.

Option Compare Database
Declare Sub Sleep Lib "kernel32" (ByVal dwMilliseconds As Long) Function A()
    Call Active_Well_Counts_by_Project_Area
End Function
'------------------------------------------------------------
' mdl Active_Well_Counts_by_Project_Area
'
'------------------------------------------------------------
Sub Active_Well_Counts_by_Project_Area()


Dim frmMessage As Form
DoCmd.OpenForm "frm Message Form 1"
Set frmMessage = Forms("frm Message Form 1")


On Error GoTo Active_Well_Counts_by_Project_Area_Err

    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    DoCmd.OpenQuery "qry Status First Day of Prior Month", acViewNormal, acEdit
    frmMessage.ProgressMessage.Caption = "Getting Well Statuses during Month"                           'This one works
    DoCmd.OpenQuery "qry Statuses During Prior Month", acViewNormal, acEdit
    frmMessage.ProgressMessage.Caption = "Getting Active Injectors List Prior Month"                  'blows by this
    Sleep 10000
    DoCmd.OpenQuery "qry Active Injectors List Prior Month", acViewNormal, acEdit
    frmMessage.ProgressMessage.Caption = "Getting Active Producers List Prior Month"
    Sleep 10000

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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Wed Sep  7 18:38:31 2016
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 23:38:31 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10 Downloads - Notify for download hack -
 only slightly OT
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_2hrXQXZwLBpkiY4C-xqxWs9n5-BGiiVA0SDu156VYPFQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <SYXPR01MB10711F14757FB7F6FFCFB9FDFCF80@SYXPR01MB1071.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
	<CACbV_8PBGfYOYJZ7WLnpQteHiH86an5GVkXMdho_pR1JKLiysw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJLzs_2hrXQXZwLBpkiY4C-xqxWs9n5-BGiiVA0SDu156VYPFQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SYXPR01MB107169E5FB7D75067A4934B3FCF80@SYXPR01MB1071.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>

Yes Bill, for most corporates, that is true.  

I am lucky where I work at an organisation that treats us like responsible adults and we can pretty much do what we need to , to get the job done in the best way possible.
Even so, this information might still be useful for home and other places where you can edit the registry as you see fit.

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Benson
Sent: 8 September, 2016 2:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Downloads - Notify for download hack - only slightly OT

In most corporations you (1) cannot hack your registry and (2) the Infrastructure team is going to push updates along when they feel like it anyway. But it might help me at home. As If I am going to move to Win10 any time soon, with Win7 still supported for a little while. And by that time, MS might find a way to neutralize this hack.

On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Jim Hewson <jm.hwsn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Darryl. This is very useful.
> The automatic download and install is also problematic when using a 
> laptop through a hotspot. The downloads can chew up the data very 
> quickly. I learned the hard way.
> The only problem I had was the Windows 10 version that is on my laptop 
> is "Home"... it doesn't have the gpedit utility. I did find it on the 
> internet, downloaded and installed it... works well.
> Thanks,
> Jim
>
> On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 8:45 PM, Darryl Collins < 
> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:
>
> > As many of you know, windows 10 downloads can be problematic to manage.
> > We run many PC's at our work and the automatic download was giving 
> > us a lot of grief and network issues.
> >
> > One of the guys poked around behind the scenes and found a registry 
> > hack that allows you to be notified when a download is available so 
> > you can download it when it suits (pretty much
> > Like you could do with Windows 7 updates).   If anyone want the actual
> reg
> > file itself, which you just click to run and it is set up, email me 
> > and I will send you a zipped version off list.  Or you can set it up 
> > manually
> via
> > reg edit
> > as per the copied email below.
> >
> > This setting is in Windows 10, but it is not presented as an option 
> > to
> the
> > users - the only way to get it working is via the Registry hack.
> > I haven't tested this yet, but I believe this works for the Windows 
> > 10 Home variant as well.
> > Cheers
> > Darryl.
> >
> >
> > '----------------------------------------------- START OF COPIED 
> > EMAIL
> >
> > Hey guys,
> >
> > As you are aware the recent upgrade to Windows 10 has had a 
> > detrimental effect on our internet connection.
> > All it takes is one PC to start downloading updates and everything 
> > goes downhill.  It is having a big effect on Skype and TeamViewer.
> >
> > I've been looking at fixes (and Internet upgrade options) and have 
> > found an interim solution - to stop Windows 10 from automatically 
> > downloading updates.
> > It is a behind the scene type of adjustment but it works, the caveat
> being
> > you will need to make sure you update manually which is important 
> > for security reasons.
> >
> > Please set this up for all your machines.   Will also need to do for the
> > other machines (not Process) that are in the office.
> >
> > There are 2 ways to create the "Notify for Download" setting (which 
> > does not exist in the user interface).
> >
> >
> > 1.       Just run the attached registry hack (will prob have to save to
> > local drive first).  Quick, easy and just works.
> >
> > or
> >
> >
> > 2.       If you are more curiuos/adventerous you can make the change in
> > the Group Policy Editor:
> >
> > a.       Press Windows Key + R to open the Run dialog
> >
> > b.       Type gpedit.msc and then Enter
> >
> > c.       Navigate to Computer Configuration\Administrative
> > Templates\Windows Components\Windows Update
> >
> > d.       Locate the "Configure Automatic Updates" setting in the right
> > pane and double-click it
> >
> > e.       Set it to "Enabled"
> >
> > f.        Select "2 - Notify for download and notify for install"
> >
> > g.       Save changes.
> >
> >
> > Once you have done either option you can see this change here:
> >
> > 1.       Visit the Windows Update pane in the Settings app and click
> > "Check for updates."
> >
> > 2.       You can then click "Advanced options" and you'll see your new
> > setting here (as in the pic below)
> >
> >
> >
> > '----------------------------------------------- END OF COPIED EMAIL
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Darryl Collins
> > Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
> > Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
> > Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127
> >
> > w3w: petty.legs.zoom
> >
> > p: +61 3 9898 3242
> > m: +61 418 381 548
> > f: +61 3 9898 1855
> > e: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au<mailto:darryl@
> whittleconsulting.com.au>
> > w: 
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Fri Sep  9 22:32:11 2016
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 23:32:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Stunning Videos of Evolution in Action - The Atlantic
Message-ID: <58f56102-a12c-c6ba-188d-60734c27662f@gmail.com>


http://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/09/stunning-videos-of-evolution-in-action/499136/

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From michael at mattysconsulting.com  Sat Sep 10 19:54:07 2016
From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 20:54:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Stunning Videos of Evolution in Action - The Atlantic
In-Reply-To: <58f56102-a12c-c6ba-188d-60734c27662f@gmail.com>
References: <58f56102-a12c-c6ba-188d-60734c27662f@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004901d20bc7$013d55c0$03b80140$@mattysconsulting.com>

Hi John,

There will need to be databases created for the ensuing data ...

Apparently, we are speeding up these processes by our own actions -
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/commentaries/stop-antibiotic-resistance/en/

This may well become a serious condition -
https://consumerist.com/2016/05/19/antibiotic-resistant-superbugs-could-kill
-millions-every-year-if-left-unchecked/

I didn't see much discussion of this in the Comments section, just the usual
trolls chasing each other.

Mike Mattys

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Subject: [AccessD] Stunning Videos of Evolution in Action - The Atlantic


http://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/09/stunning-videos-of-evolut
ion-in-action/499136/

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Sep 10 21:30:41 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 20:30:41 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Stunning Videos of Evolution in Action - The Atlantic
In-Reply-To: <58f56102-a12c-c6ba-188d-60734c27662f@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <100512585.79125530.1473561041881.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

That is truly awesome. Thanks for posting. 

Jim

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Sent: Friday, September 9, 2016 8:32:11 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Stunning Videos of Evolution in Action - The Atlantic


http://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/09/stunning-videos-of-evolution-in-action/499136/

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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Sun Sep 11 07:59:15 2016
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 08:59:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Stunning Videos of Evolution in Action - The Atlantic
In-Reply-To: <100512585.79125530.1473561041881.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <58f56102-a12c-c6ba-188d-60734c27662f@gmail.com>
	<100512585.79125530.1473561041881.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <CAAZtbWGCK7GnJGnSqQM=U70EfYYfOVn4SRv_oj8ZWCoij9OzxA@mail.gmail.com>

OK. I was hoping this would just pass unnoticed.

This is OT fodder. It doesnt' belong on AccessD

Thanks,
Your friendly neighbourhood Listmaster.
Bryan

On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 10:30 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> That is truly awesome. Thanks for posting.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 9, 2016 8:32:11 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Stunning Videos of Evolution in Action - The Atlantic
>
>
> http://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/09/stunning-videos-of-evolution-in-action/499136/
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Sep 13 11:48:49 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 09:48:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Tabbed Forms in Access 2010
Message-ID: <021601d20dde$b40b83c0$1c228b40$@bchacc.com>

The default seems to be no tabbed forms - requires me to set it for each
database I create or legacy mdb I'm working with.

 

Is there a way to make tabbed forms the default? 

 

MTIA

 

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

 <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com

 <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com

Skype: rocky.smolin

 

 


From bensonforums at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 12:59:37 2016
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 13:59:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Tabbed Forms in Access 2010
In-Reply-To: <021601d20dde$b40b83c0$1c228b40$@bchacc.com>
References: <021601d20dde$b40b83c0$1c228b40$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_2rJJVpMLk7udWUE0DL7d1nfBNg61MEOP2UL=at7gkcXg@mail.gmail.com>

Other than start with a blank database with this setting already set, and
keep re-using it, no I do not believe so.

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:

> The default seems to be no tabbed forms - requires me to set it for each
> database I create or legacy mdb I'm working with.
>
>
>
> Is there a way to make tabbed forms the default?
>
>
>
> MTIA
>
>
>
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 760-683-5777
>
>  <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com
>
>  <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Sep 13 16:34:15 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 07:34:15 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Tabbed Forms in Access 2010
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_2rJJVpMLk7udWUE0DL7d1nfBNg61MEOP2UL=at7gkcXg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <021601d20dde$b40b83c0$1c228b40$@bchacc.com>,
	<CAJLzs_2rJJVpMLk7udWUE0DL7d1nfBNg61MEOP2UL=at7gkcXg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <57D870D7.23317.37BAAE0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

That's what I do. I created a blank database, set all my preferred options and then I copy that 
as a template when I want a new db.

On 13 Sep 2016 at 13:59, Bill Benson wrote:

> Other than start with a blank database with this setting already set,
> and keep re-using it, no I do not believe so.
> 
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Rocky Smolin
> <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
> 
> > The default seems to be no tabbed forms - requires me to set it for
> > each database I create or legacy mdb I'm working with.
> >
> >
> >
> > Is there a way to make tabbed forms the default?
> >
> >
> >
> > MTIA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> >
> > Beach Access Software
> >
> > 760-683-5777
> >
> >  <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com
> >
> >  <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com
> >
> > Skype: rocky.smolin
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Fri Sep 16 11:58:45 2016
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:58:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Split with multiple delimiters?
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWagMPuP37XjK76=H3=7tXq2ixd_Lb2wLxrzA9NjGYu5Hg@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone know of a way to use SPLIT() with multiple delimiters?

Something like varx = Split("some-Text: like'this","-', ")

I don't think I can nest them because of the arrays that they create as the
result.

Thanks,
David

From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Sep 16 12:06:37 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 17:06:37 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Split with multiple delimiters?
Message-ID: <DB6PR0601MB2198020F97291D0CF984DC2ECAF30@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi David

I don't think you can - that's a feature of dotNet.

But perhaps you could first replace the split characters with a single rare character like "?", and then use:

    varx = Split("some-Text: like'this","?")

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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Sendt: 16. september 2016 18:59
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [AccessD] Split with multiple delimiters?

Does anyone know of a way to use SPLIT() with multiple delimiters?

Something like varx = Split("some-Text: like'this","-', ")

I don't think I can nest them because of the arrays that they create as the result.

Thanks,
David 


From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Sep 16 13:26:16 2016
From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 19:26:16 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Split with multiple delimiters?
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWagMPuP37XjK76=H3=7tXq2ixd_Lb2wLxrzA9NjGYu5Hg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMhYZWagMPuP37XjK76=H3=7tXq2ixd_Lb2wLxrzA9NjGYu5Hg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAO8VDlNCBfdEkctCy61lm0HCgAAAEAAAAE4OvZmKNP5PjhckeCDZ5UgBAAAAAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>

Maybe substitute (all of) one delimiter for the other within the string before
the split.

JimB


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David
McAfee
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 5:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Split with multiple delimiters?

Does anyone know of a way to use SPLIT() with multiple delimiters?

Something like varx = Split("some-Text: like'this","-', ")

I don't think I can nest them because of the arrays that they create as the
result.

Thanks,
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From bradm at blackforestltd.com  Fri Sep 16 15:34:43 2016
From: bradm at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 20:34:43 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] MZ-Tools for Access 2013
Message-ID: <MWHPR05MB3246AACE97CD46BB7AA7C0D2CFF30@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

All,

For several years, I have been using the free version of MZ-Tools for Access 2007 VBA code.  The main feature that I use is the "line numbering" feature.

Recently, I have been given a new PC with Access 2013.  

It appears that the free version of MZ-Tools is not available for Access 2013.

Is this correct?

Is there an alternative free tool for "line numbering" in VBA code?

Thanks,

Brad Marks


From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Fri Sep 16 16:12:28 2016
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:12:28 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Split with multiple delimiters?
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAO8VDlNCBfdEkctCy61lm0HCgAAAEAAAAE4OvZmKNP5PjhckeCDZ5UgBAAAAAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <CAMhYZWagMPuP37XjK76=H3=7tXq2ixd_Lb2wLxrzA9NjGYu5Hg@mail.gmail.com>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAO8VDlNCBfdEkctCy61lm0HCgAAAEAAAAE4OvZmKNP5PjhckeCDZ5UgBAAAAAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWYtFqjGRDE-ErjuNw6UwEOe2CqFkbaSbo2UYRMqGuMWrA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, I dodn't think about using REPLACE() inside of the split. :)

Now that I think about it, there is different logic for a couple of the
delimiters, so I guess I still have to run Split() in multiple passes
anyway.  :/

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 11:26 AM, James Button <jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk
> wrote:

> Maybe substitute (all of) one delimiter for the other within the string
> before
> the split.
>
> JimB
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> David
> McAfee
> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 5:59 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: [AccessD] Split with multiple delimiters?
>
> Does anyone know of a way to use SPLIT() with multiple delimiters?
>
> Something like varx = Split("some-Text: like'this","-', ")
>
> I don't think I can nest them because of the arrays that they create as the
> result.
>
> Thanks,
> David
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Sep 16 16:13:55 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:13:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Split with multiple delimiters?
In-Reply-To: <DB6PR0601MB2198020F97291D0CF984DC2ECAF30@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DB6PR0601MB2198020F97291D0CF984DC2ECAF30@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <05ac01d2105f$3ba25e80$b2e71b80$@bchacc.com>

Brilliant!
R


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 10:07 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Split with multiple delimiters?

Hi David

I don't think you can - that's a feature of dotNet.

But perhaps you could first replace the split characters with a single rare
character like "?", and then use:

    varx = Split("some-Text: like'this","?")

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af David
McAfee
Sendt: 16. september 2016 18:59
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [AccessD] Split with multiple delimiters?

Does anyone know of a way to use SPLIT() with multiple delimiters?

Something like varx = Split("some-Text: like'this","-', ")

I don't think I can nest them because of the arrays that they create as the
result.

Thanks,
David 

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From bradm at blackforestltd.com  Fri Sep 16 16:16:18 2016
From: bradm at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 21:16:18 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] How to Force the Location of a small form next to a report
Message-ID: <MWHPR05MB3246E0FD97063B540902D0CFCFF30@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

All,

Recently, I was asked to develop a small form which controls the data that appears on a related report.  

This form has six text boxes and five radio buttons.  By using these text boxes and radio buttons, our users can control the data that is shown on the report. 

Our users have fairly wide screens.  There is room to show the entire form on the right size of the report.

Is there a way to force the form to always appear in a specific location?  Currently, when the form is opened, it appears in the upper left of the window.  I would like to have it always appear on the right side of the report.

Thanks,

Brad Marks  


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Sep 16 16:18:40 2016
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:18:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] MZ-Tools for Access 2013
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR05MB3246AACE97CD46BB7AA7C0D2CFF30@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR05MB3246AACE97CD46BB7AA7C0D2CFF30@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met8A_UJPSLAbzToObgWjA9e7nBQVje=oDwuGycLtoORDJA@mail.gmail.com>

I have the paid version that works for Access 2010 and above, and it's well
worth the money.  That are so many tools in MZ-Tools, that I haven't
reached the end of them.

Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Brad Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com>
wrote:

> All,
>
> For several years, I have been using the free version of MZ-Tools for
> Access 2007 VBA code.  The main feature that I use is the "line numbering"
> feature.
>
> Recently, I have been given a new PC with Access 2013.
>
> It appears that the free version of MZ-Tools is not available for Access
> 2013.
>
> Is this correct?
>
> Is there an alternative free tool for "line numbering" in VBA code?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brad Marks
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Sep 16 16:22:54 2016
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:22:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Record counter not working
In-Reply-To: <01dd01d20657$45d4efb0$d17ecf10$@bchacc.com>
References: <015d01d20610$e9a78900$bcf69b00$@bchacc.com>
	<01af01d20636$17849050$468db0f0$@bchacc.com>
	<01c001d20637$76062d90$621288b0$@bchacc.com>
	<57CB5973.7690.57E443D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<01dd01d20657$45d4efb0$d17ecf10$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9+DddXo9NfSuxfRfdEO_HiMzmgZe5P3j3mNHbP58RjAg@mail.gmail.com>

You left requery unstoned.  Just requery the textbox.

Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

On Sat, Sep 3, 2016 at 7:51 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> First one, then the other, then both, then in reverse order.  I left no
> tern
> unstoned.
>
> R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2016 4:15 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Record counter not working
>
> Did you have both Me.Repaint and DoEvents or did you only try it with each
> of those separately?
>
>
> On 3 Sep 2016 at 16:04, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>
> > OK- here's a clue (don't know what to make of it though)
> >
> > I put msgbox "Stop" after the Me.txtRecNo = CLng(Nz([txtRecNo], 0)) +
> > 1 and the text box showed as updated.  Actually is also worked with
> > the simple Me.txtRecNo = Me.txtRecNo + 1.
> >
> >
> > So is it a timing thing?  I tried Me.Repaint and DoEvents to no avail.
> >
> > TIA
> >
> >
> > r
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> > Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2016 3:54 PM To: 'Access
> > Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD]
> > Record counter not working
> >
> > Then what triggers it to change as the code loops through its loop?
> >
> > r
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> > Of Bill Benson Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2016 2:55 PM To: Access
> > Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD]
> > Record counter not working
> >
> > Again, I ask why not put it in the controlsource  of the textbox.
> >
> > On Sep 3, 2016 5:48 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Is all of the procesing code in the form's module or is it done by a
> > > single call to a function/procedure  in a separate module?
> > >
> > > (Failing code not shown!)
> > >
> > >
> > > On 3 Sep 2016 at 11:28, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear List:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I have two text boxes on a form - one shows the total number of
> > > > records to be processed and the other is a counter.  So that the
> > > > form shows that there's something going on (i.e., Processing
> > > > Record: 14 of 250).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I put
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Me.txtRecNo = Me.txtRecNo + 1
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At the top of the look but it didn't update.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So I added:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Me.Repaint
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Still no update. So I added:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > DoEvents
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Still no update.  It always reads 0 of n (I initialize the text
> > > > box with a zero).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Any idea why I can't get this to update?  I use this technique a
> > > > lot to let the user know at what point in the process the program
> > > > is, and it is often unreliable.  I have used a long variable for
> > > > the counter and just plugged the variable into the text box after
> > > > it was incremented but that doesn't work in this case.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Any ideas appreciated.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > MTIA
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Rocky Smolin
> > > >
> > > > Beach Access Software
> > > >
> > > > 760-683-5777
> > > >
> > > > www.bchacc.com
> > > >
> > > > www.e-z-mrp.com
> > > >
> > > > Skype: rocky.smolin
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Sep 16 16:31:17 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 07:31:17 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] How to Force the Location of a small form next to a
 report
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR05MB3246E0FD97063B540902D0CFCFF30@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <57DC64A5.365.38A42DB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

In the forms On_Open event, put:    Me.Move xtwips,ytwips.

-- 
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On 16 Sep 2016 at 21:16, Brad Marks wrote:

> All,
> 
> Recently, I was asked to develop a small form which controls the data
> that appears on a related report.  
> 
> This form has six text boxes and five radio buttons.  By using these
> text boxes and radio buttons, our users can control the data that is
> shown on the report. 
> 
> Our users have fairly wide screens.  There is room to show the entire
> form on the right size of the report.
> 
> Is there a way to force the form to always appear in a specific
> location?  Currently, when the form is opened, it appears in the upper
> left of the window.  I would like to have it always appear on the
> right side of the report.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brad Marks  
> 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Sep 16 16:40:48 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:40:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] How to Force the Location of a small form next to a
 report
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR05MB3246E0FD97063B540902D0CFCFF30@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR05MB3246E0FD97063B540902D0CFCFF30@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <05bd01d21062$fd5d5f40$f8181dc0$@bchacc.com>

I think MoveSize may work IIUC what you're trying to accomplish:

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/ff197394.aspx

rocky

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Brad Marks
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:16 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] How to Force the Location of a small form next to a
report

All,

Recently, I was asked to develop a small form which controls the data that
appears on a related report.  

This form has six text boxes and five radio buttons.  By using these text
boxes and radio buttons, our users can control the data that is shown on the
report. 

Our users have fairly wide screens.  There is room to show the entire form
on the right size of the report.

Is there a way to force the form to always appear in a specific location?
Currently, when the form is opened, it appears in the upper left of the
window.  I would like to have it always appear on the right side of the
report.

Thanks,

Brad Marks  

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Sep 16 16:41:45 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:41:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Record counter not working
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9+DddXo9NfSuxfRfdEO_HiMzmgZe5P3j3mNHbP58RjAg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <015d01d20610$e9a78900$bcf69b00$@bchacc.com>	<01af01d20636$17849050$468db0f0$@bchacc.com>	<01c001d20637$76062d90$621288b0$@bchacc.com>	<57CB5973.7690.57E443D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<01dd01d20657$45d4efb0$d17ecf10$@bchacc.com>
	<CAH+Met9+DddXo9NfSuxfRfdEO_HiMzmgZe5P3j3mNHbP58RjAg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <05be01d21063$1f5497d0$5dfdc770$@bchacc.com>

That's too easy.  But I'll try it.  :)

Tsk

R


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:23 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Record counter not working

You left requery unstoned.  Just requery the textbox.

Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

On Sat, Sep 3, 2016 at 7:51 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> First one, then the other, then both, then in reverse order.  I left 
> no tern unstoned.
>
> R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2016 4:15 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Record counter not working
>
> Did you have both Me.Repaint and DoEvents or did you only try it with 
> each of those separately?
>
>
> On 3 Sep 2016 at 16:04, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>
> > OK- here's a clue (don't know what to make of it though)
> >
> > I put msgbox "Stop" after the Me.txtRecNo = CLng(Nz([txtRecNo], 0)) 
> > +
> > 1 and the text box showed as updated.  Actually is also worked with 
> > the simple Me.txtRecNo = Me.txtRecNo + 1.
> >
> >
> > So is it a timing thing?  I tried Me.Repaint and DoEvents to no avail.
> >
> > TIA
> >
> >
> > r
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On 
> > Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2016 3:54 PM 
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: 
> > [AccessD] Record counter not working
> >
> > Then what triggers it to change as the code loops through its loop?
> >
> > r
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On 
> > Behalf Of Bill Benson Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2016 2:55 PM To: 
> > Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: 
> > [AccessD] Record counter not working
> >
> > Again, I ask why not put it in the controlsource  of the textbox.
> >
> > On Sep 3, 2016 5:48 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Is all of the procesing code in the form's module or is it done by 
> > > a single call to a function/procedure  in a separate module?
> > >
> > > (Failing code not shown!)
> > >
> > >
> > > On 3 Sep 2016 at 11:28, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear List:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I have two text boxes on a form - one shows the total number of 
> > > > records to be processed and the other is a counter.  So that the 
> > > > form shows that there's something going on (i.e., Processing
> > > > Record: 14 of 250).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I put
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Me.txtRecNo = Me.txtRecNo + 1
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At the top of the look but it didn't update.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So I added:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Me.Repaint
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Still no update. So I added:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > DoEvents
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Still no update.  It always reads 0 of n (I initialize the text 
> > > > box with a zero).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Any idea why I can't get this to update?  I use this technique a 
> > > > lot to let the user know at what point in the process the 
> > > > program is, and it is often unreliable.  I have used a long 
> > > > variable for the counter and just plugged the variable into the 
> > > > text box after it was incremented but that doesn't work in this
case.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Any ideas appreciated.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > MTIA
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Rocky Smolin
> > > >
> > > > Beach Access Software
> > > >
> > > > 760-683-5777
> > > >
> > > > www.bchacc.com
> > > >
> > > > www.e-z-mrp.com
> > > >
> > > > Skype: rocky.smolin
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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From bradm at blackforestltd.com  Fri Sep 16 16:58:48 2016
From: bradm at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 21:58:48 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] How to Force the Location of a small form next to a
 report
In-Reply-To: <57DC64A5.365.38A42DB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <MWHPR05MB3246E0FD97063B540902D0CFCFF30@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
	<57DC64A5.365.38A42DB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <MWHPR05MB3246549DF64F6250C5A12874CFF30@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Stuart,

Thanks.

Initial tests look nice.

Brad

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 4:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Force the Location of a small form next to a report

In the forms On_Open event, put:    Me.Move xtwips,ytwips.

--
Stuart

On 16 Sep 2016 at 21:16, Brad Marks wrote:

> All,
> 
> Recently, I was asked to develop a small form which controls the data 
> that appears on a related report.
> 
> This form has six text boxes and five radio buttons.  By using these 
> text boxes and radio buttons, our users can control the data that is 
> shown on the report.
> 
> Our users have fairly wide screens.  There is room to show the entire 
> form on the right size of the report.
> 
> Is there a way to force the form to always appear in a specific 
> location?  Currently, when the form is opened, it appears in the upper 
> left of the window.  I would like to have it always appear on the 
> right side of the report.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brad Marks
> 
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From bradm at blackforestltd.com  Fri Sep 16 16:59:31 2016
From: bradm at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 21:59:31 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] How to Force the Location of a small form next to a
 report
In-Reply-To: <05bd01d21062$fd5d5f40$f8181dc0$@bchacc.com>
References: <MWHPR05MB3246E0FD97063B540902D0CFCFF30@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
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Rocky,

Thanks!  I will need to experiment with this.

Brad

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 4:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Force the Location of a small form next to a report

I think MoveSize may work IIUC what you're trying to accomplish:

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/ff197394.aspx

rocky

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:16 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] How to Force the Location of a small form next to a report

All,

Recently, I was asked to develop a small form which controls the data that appears on a related report.  

This form has six text boxes and five radio buttons.  By using these text boxes and radio buttons, our users can control the data that is shown on the report. 

Our users have fairly wide screens.  There is room to show the entire form on the right size of the report.

Is there a way to force the form to always appear in a specific location?
Currently, when the form is opened, it appears in the upper left of the window.  I would like to have it always appear on the right side of the report.

Thanks,

Brad Marks  

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From bradm at blackforestltd.com  Fri Sep 16 17:02:12 2016
From: bradm at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 22:02:12 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] MZ-Tools for Access 2013
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met8A_UJPSLAbzToObgWjA9e7nBQVje=oDwuGycLtoORDJA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <MWHPR05MB3246AACE97CD46BB7AA7C0D2CFF30@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAH+Met8A_UJPSLAbzToObgWjA9e7nBQVje=oDwuGycLtoORDJA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MWHPR05MB3246ABB5A529E8BC126AF049CFF30@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Charlotte,

Thanks for the info.

Right now, I only need a tool for line numbering.

Not sure if there is any $ in the budget for any Access add-ons.

Brad



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 4:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MZ-Tools for Access 2013

I have the paid version that works for Access 2010 and above, and it's well worth the money.  That are so many tools in MZ-Tools, that I haven't reached the end of them.

Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Brad Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com>
wrote:

> All,
>
> For several years, I have been using the free version of MZ-Tools for 
> Access 2007 VBA code.  The main feature that I use is the "line numbering"
> feature.
>
> Recently, I have been given a new PC with Access 2013.
>
> It appears that the free version of MZ-Tools is not available for 
> Access 2013.
>
> Is this correct?
>
> Is there an alternative free tool for "line numbering" in VBA code?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brad Marks
>
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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Fri Sep 16 17:53:42 2016
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 18:53:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MZ-Tools for Access 2013
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR05MB3246ABB5A529E8BC126AF049CFF30@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR05MB3246AACE97CD46BB7AA7C0D2CFF30@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAH+Met8A_UJPSLAbzToObgWjA9e7nBQVje=oDwuGycLtoORDJA@mail.gmail.com>
	<MWHPR05MB3246ABB5A529E8BC126AF049CFF30@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAvgCfcErUaC0pzZ7+obRJSKyATUy+f7vZ9XZhDmdO+6tQ@mail.gmail.com>

Brad,
Do you still have the older mztools as zip or exe?
It may work - I'm using it with Access 2010.

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 6:02 PM, Brad Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com>
wrote:

> Charlotte,
>
> Thanks for the info.
>
> Right now, I only need a tool for line numbering.
>
> Not sure if there is any $ in the budget for any Access add-ons.
>
> Brad
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 4:19 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MZ-Tools for Access 2013
>
> I have the paid version that works for Access 2010 and above, and it's
> well worth the money.  That are so many tools in MZ-Tools, that I haven't
> reached the end of them.
>
> Charlotte Foust
> (916) 206-4336
>
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Brad Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com>
> wrote:
>
> > All,
> >
> > For several years, I have been using the free version of MZ-Tools for
> > Access 2007 VBA code.  The main feature that I use is the "line
> numbering"
> > feature.
> >
> > Recently, I have been given a new PC with Access 2013.
> >
> > It appears that the free version of MZ-Tools is not available for
> > Access 2013.
> >
> > Is this correct?
> >
> > Is there an alternative free tool for "line numbering" in VBA code?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Brad Marks
> >
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Sep 16 18:30:59 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 09:30:59 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] How to Force the Location of a small form next to a
 report
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR05MB32460D29F80F4FD8930B147CCFF30@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR05MB3246E0FD97063B540902D0CFCFF30@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>,
	<05bd01d21062$fd5d5f40$f8181dc0$@bchacc.com>,
	<MWHPR05MB32460D29F80F4FD8930B147CCFF30@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <57DC80B3.17015.3F7D694@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

That moves the "Active Window", so I suspect it won't work until the control form is already 
on screen and has the focus.

The Form.Move method has the advantage that it  can be applied during creation but before 
the form is displayed.



On 16 Sep 2016 at 21:59, Brad Marks wrote:

> Rocky,
> 
> Thanks!  I will need to experiment with this.
> 
> Brad
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 4:41 PM To: 'Access
> Developers discussion and problem solving'
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Force the
> Location of a small form next to a report
> 
> I think MoveSize may work IIUC what you're trying to accomplish:
> 
> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/ff197394.aspx
> 
> rocky
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Brad Marks Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:16 PM To: Access
> Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] How to
> Force the Location of a small form next to a report
> 
> All,
> 
> Recently, I was asked to develop a small form which controls the data
> that appears on a related report.  
> 
> This form has six text boxes and five radio buttons.  By using these
> text boxes and radio buttons, our users can control the data that is
> shown on the report. 
> 
> Our users have fairly wide screens.  There is room to show the entire
> form on the right size of the report.
> 
> Is there a way to force the form to always appear in a specific
> location? Currently, when the form is opened, it appears in the upper
> left of the window.  I would like to have it always appear on the
> right side of the report.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brad Marks  
> 
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Sep 16 19:57:50 2016
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 20:57:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MZ-Tools for Access 2013
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAvgCfcErUaC0pzZ7+obRJSKyATUy+f7vZ9XZhDmdO+6tQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <MWHPR05MB3246AACE97CD46BB7AA7C0D2CFF30@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAH+Met8A_UJPSLAbzToObgWjA9e7nBQVje=oDwuGycLtoORDJA@mail.gmail.com>
	<MWHPR05MB3246ABB5A529E8BC126AF049CFF30@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAKvidAvgCfcErUaC0pzZ7+obRJSKyATUy+f7vZ9XZhDmdO+6tQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <91FE60A1-EE33-4271-9D9E-183A2FACDBA8@verizon.net>

Note that there was an update to address a bug just before it switched from free to pay.    If you have that copy, it works with later versions.

If you want a current copy though, it's pay (and IMHO rightly so).

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 16, 2016, at 6:53 PM, jack drawbridge <jackandpat.d at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Brad,
> Do you still have the older mztools as zip or exe?
> It may work - I'm using it with Access 2010.
> 
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 6:02 PM, Brad Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Charlotte,
>> 
>> Thanks for the info.
>> 
>> Right now, I only need a tool for line numbering.
>> 
>> Not sure if there is any $ in the budget for any Access add-ons.
>> 
>> Brad
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> Charlotte Foust
>> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 4:19 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <
>> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MZ-Tools for Access 2013
>> 
>> I have the paid version that works for Access 2010 and above, and it's
>> well worth the money.  That are so many tools in MZ-Tools, that I haven't
>> reached the end of them.
>> 
>> Charlotte Foust
>> (916) 206-4336
>> 
>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Brad Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> All,
>>> 
>>> For several years, I have been using the free version of MZ-Tools for
>>> Access 2007 VBA code.  The main feature that I use is the "line
>> numbering"
>>> feature.
>>> 
>>> Recently, I have been given a new PC with Access 2013.
>>> 
>>> It appears that the free version of MZ-Tools is not available for
>>> Access 2013.
>>> 
>>> Is this correct?
>>> 
>>> Is there an alternative free tool for "line numbering" in VBA code?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Brad Marks
>>> 
>>> --
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>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Sat Sep 17 01:01:16 2016
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 23:01:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] MZ-Tools for Access 2013
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR05MB3246AACE97CD46BB7AA7C0D2CFF30@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR05MB3246AACE97CD46BB7AA7C0D2CFF30@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met8wdSHPfkW6UuAw=8Yxhm+moNyHdeY79W0PA6UdWU5mLA@mail.gmail.com>

Invest in the paid version for VBA, which gives you much more than the free
version.  It's my go to tool for inserting standard error handling code,
reordering procedures within a module, finding unused variables, calls to a
particular method locating, and much more.  The latest version works for
Access 2010 - 2016.

Charlotte Foust
916-206-4336

On Sep 16, 2016 1:36 PM, "Brad Marks" <bradm at blackforestltd.com> wrote:

> All,
>
> For several years, I have been using the free version of MZ-Tools for
> Access 2007 VBA code.  The main feature that I use is the "line numbering"
> feature.
>
> Recently, I have been given a new PC with Access 2013.
>
> It appears that the free version of MZ-Tools is not available for Access
> 2013.
>
> Is this correct?
>
> Is there an alternative free tool for "line numbering" in VBA code?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brad Marks
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Sep 18 03:47:55 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 08:47:55 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Read the "Options,
 Tab Width" setting of the the VBE Options from VBA?
Message-ID: <DB6PR0601MB219827F6E20F2EDFDEE93148CAF50@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi all

Is that possible? 
I cannot find neither a Setting nor Options property of the VBE object.

/gustav

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Sun Sep 18 13:32:36 2016
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 11:32:36 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Read the "Options,
 Tab Width" setting of the the VBE Options from VBA?
In-Reply-To: <DB6PR0601MB219827F6E20F2EDFDEE93148CAF50@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DB6PR0601MB219827F6E20F2EDFDEE93148CAF50@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9=z637opJ07D--XNO-mX6EYFDGNAaF+28EHQrj0P-nuA@mail.gmail.com>

I haven't worked with the VBE object itself in some years and pre-ribbon,
so I have no idea.  What are you trying to achieve?  And which tabs?

Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 1:47 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi all
>
> Is that possible?
> I cannot find neither a Setting nor Options property of the VBE object.
>
> /gustav
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Sep 18 15:01:57 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 20:01:57 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Read the "Options,
 Tab Width" setting of the the VBE Options from VBA?
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9=z637opJ07D--XNO-mX6EYFDGNAaF+28EHQrj0P-nuA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DB6PR0601MB219827F6E20F2EDFDEE93148CAF50@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<CAH+Met9=z637opJ07D--XNO-mX6EYFDGNAaF+28EHQrj0P-nuA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DB6PR0601MB219823DD108EE863F51DB042CAF50@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Charlotte

It's the setting Tools, Options, Editor, Tab Width I wish to read. Default value is 4.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
Sendt: 18. september 2016 20:32:36
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Read the "Options, Tab Width" setting of the the VBE Options from VBA?

I haven't worked with the VBE object itself in some years and pre-ribbon,
so I have no idea.  What are you trying to achieve?  And which tabs?

Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 1:47 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi all
>
> Is that possible?
> I cannot find neither a Setting nor Options property of the VBE object.
>
> /gustav

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Sun Sep 18 16:07:44 2016
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 14:07:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Read the "Options,
 Tab Width" setting of the the VBE Options from VBA?
In-Reply-To: <DB6PR0601MB219823DD108EE863F51DB042CAF50@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DB6PR0601MB219827F6E20F2EDFDEE93148CAF50@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAH+Met9=z637opJ07D--XNO-mX6EYFDGNAaF+28EHQrj0P-nuA@mail.gmail.com>
	<DB6PR0601MB219823DD108EE863F51DB042CAF50@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met-Ns9yNFKccFdRY7=Z7YYM=5mdSZH_hgKxwsA1K5YY8wg@mail.gmail.com>

Did you set a reference to the extensibility library?  That's the only way
I know of to deal directly with the VBIDE.  I'm not sure what all is in
there anymore, but it allows you to customize the VBE environment.

Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 1:01 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Charlotte
>
> It's the setting Tools, Options, Editor, Tab Width I wish to read. Default
> value is 4.
>
> /gustav
>
> ________________________________________
> Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Charlotte
> Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> Sendt: 18. september 2016 20:32:36
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Read the "Options, Tab Width" setting of the the VBE
> Options from VBA?
>
> I haven't worked with the VBE object itself in some years and pre-ribbon,
> so I have no idea.  What are you trying to achieve?  And which tabs?
>
> Charlotte Foust
> (916) 206-4336
>
> On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 1:47 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> > Hi all
> >
> > Is that possible?
> > I cannot find neither a Setting nor Options property of the VBE object.
> >
> > /gustav
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Sun Sep 18 16:09:35 2016
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 14:09:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Read the "Options,
 Tab Width" setting of the the VBE Options from VBA?
In-Reply-To: <DB6PR0601MB219823DD108EE863F51DB042CAF50@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DB6PR0601MB219827F6E20F2EDFDEE93148CAF50@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAH+Met9=z637opJ07D--XNO-mX6EYFDGNAaF+28EHQrj0P-nuA@mail.gmail.com>
	<DB6PR0601MB219823DD108EE863F51DB042CAF50@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_AKdDwhJsxVQ-8npqADM43DpjMKAOxRHe-jHzmKdB_vQ@mail.gmail.com>

Here's a link to some code manipulating the environment.  It's aimed more
toward Excel, but should translate.

http://www.cpearson.com/excel/vbemenus.aspx

Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 1:01 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Charlotte
>
> It's the setting Tools, Options, Editor, Tab Width I wish to read. Default
> value is 4.
>
> /gustav
>
> ________________________________________
> Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Charlotte
> Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> Sendt: 18. september 2016 20:32:36
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Read the "Options, Tab Width" setting of the the VBE
> Options from VBA?
>
> I haven't worked with the VBE object itself in some years and pre-ribbon,
> so I have no idea.  What are you trying to achieve?  And which tabs?
>
> Charlotte Foust
> (916) 206-4336
>
> On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 1:47 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> > Hi all
> >
> > Is that possible?
> > I cannot find neither a Setting nor Options property of the VBE object.
> >
> > /gustav
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Sep 18 18:49:22 2016
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 23:49:22 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] MZ-Tools for Access 2013
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR05MB3246ABB5A529E8BC126AF049CFF30@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR05MB3246AACE97CD46BB7AA7C0D2CFF30@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAH+Met8A_UJPSLAbzToObgWjA9e7nBQVje=oDwuGycLtoORDJA@mail.gmail.com>
	<MWHPR05MB3246ABB5A529E8BC126AF049CFF30@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <SYXPR01MB10717521BFFDE135E47BBD86FCF50@SYXPR01MB1071.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>

The paid version of MZ tools also get automatic and regular (every few months) updates and bug fixes too.  Well worth the coin.



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: 17 September, 2016 8:02 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MZ-Tools for Access 2013

Charlotte,

Thanks for the info.

Right now, I only need a tool for line numbering.

Not sure if there is any $ in the budget for any Access add-ons.

Brad



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 4:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MZ-Tools for Access 2013

I have the paid version that works for Access 2010 and above, and it's well worth the money.  That are so many tools in MZ-Tools, that I haven't reached the end of them.

Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Brad Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com>
wrote:

> All,
>
> For several years, I have been using the free version of MZ-Tools for 
> Access 2007 VBA code.  The main feature that I use is the "line numbering"
> feature.
>
> Recently, I have been given a new PC with Access 2013.
>
> It appears that the free version of MZ-Tools is not available for 
> Access 2013.
>
> Is this correct?
>
> Is there an alternative free tool for "line numbering" in VBA code?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brad Marks
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Sep 19 00:58:57 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 05:58:57 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Read the "Options,
 Tab Width" setting of the the VBE Options from VBA?
Message-ID: <DB6PR0601MB2198326B723A402A49A92883CAF40@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Charlotte

I think that library is for other programs. The VBE object is native to Access ... just type VBE.  and you'll see.

But no properties or settings options to see.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Charlotte Foust
Sendt: 18. september 2016 23:08
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Read the "Options, Tab Width" setting of the the VBE Options from VBA?

Did you set a reference to the extensibility library?  That's the only way I know of to deal directly with the VBIDE.  I'm not sure what all is in there anymore, but it allows you to customize the VBE environment.

Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 1:01 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Charlotte
>
> It's the setting Tools, Options, Editor, Tab Width I wish to read. 
> Default value is 4.
>
> /gustav
>
> ________________________________________
> Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af 
> Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> Sendt: 18. september 2016 20:32:36
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Read the "Options, Tab Width" setting of the the 
> VBE Options from VBA?
>
> I haven't worked with the VBE object itself in some years and 
> pre-ribbon, so I have no idea.  What are you trying to achieve?  And which tabs?
>
> Charlotte Foust
> (916) 206-4336
>
> On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 1:47 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> > Hi all
> >
> > Is that possible?
> > I cannot find neither a Setting nor Options property of the VBE object.
> >
> > /gustav
> --
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Sep 19 01:01:11 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 06:01:11 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Read the "Options,
 Tab Width" setting of the the VBE Options from VBA?
Message-ID: <DB6PR0601MB2198469A1571E9383ADD47D7CAF40@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks Charlotte, but that covers commandbars and so on. 

I just need reading the Tab Width setting. Perhaps it is hidden somewhere else.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Charlotte Foust
Sendt: 18. september 2016 23:10
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Read the "Options, Tab Width" setting of the the VBE Options from VBA?

Here's a link to some code manipulating the environment.  It's aimed more toward Excel, but should translate.

http://www.cpearson.com/excel/vbemenus.aspx

Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 1:01 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Charlotte
>
> It's the setting Tools, Options, Editor, Tab Width I wish to read. 
> Default value is 4.
>
> /gustav
>
> ________________________________________
> Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af 
> Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> Sendt: 18. september 2016 20:32:36
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Read the "Options, Tab Width" setting of the the 
> VBE Options from VBA?
>
> I haven't worked with the VBE object itself in some years and 
> pre-ribbon, so I have no idea.  What are you trying to achieve?  And which tabs?
>
> Charlotte Foust
> (916) 206-4336
>
> On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 1:47 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> > Hi all
> >
> > Is that possible?
> > I cannot find neither a Setting nor Options property of the VBE object.
> >
> > /gustav 


From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Sep 19 03:16:01 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 08:16:01 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Read the "Options,
 Tab Width" setting of the the VBE Options from VBA?
Message-ID: <DB6PR0601MB219829CDC491E001CC44AE27CAF40@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Charlotte et al

John Tsioumpris at Experts Exchange found it for me. It's a registry setting:

    [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\VBA\6.0\Common]

Two things to add:

 - This registry entry does not exist by default. It is created first time you change the setting.
 - For Access 2016, the path is: ..\VBA\7.1\Common

However, and strangely, property VBE.Version reports 7.01, not 7.1 so you have to find the path perhaps like this:

    VbeVersion = Replace(VBE.Version, "0", "")

or, though doubtful, in case of an upcoming version 10:

    VbeVersion = Split(VBE.Version, ".")(0) & "." & CStr(Val(Split(VBE.Version, ".")(1)))

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
Sendt: 19. september 2016 08:01
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Read the "Options, Tab Width" setting of the the VBE Options from VBA?

Thanks Charlotte, but that covers commandbars and so on. 

I just need reading the Tab Width setting. Perhaps it is hidden somewhere else.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Charlotte Foust
Sendt: 18. september 2016 23:10
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Read the "Options, Tab Width" setting of the the VBE Options from VBA?

Here's a link to some code manipulating the environment.  It's aimed more toward Excel, but should translate.

http://www.cpearson.com/excel/vbemenus.aspx

Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 1:01 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Charlotte
>
> It's the setting Tools, Options, Editor, Tab Width I wish to read. 
> Default value is 4.
>
> /gustav 


From bradm at blackforestltd.com  Thu Sep 22 08:32:11 2016
From: bradm at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 13:32:11 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] How to Embed Line Feeds in a Single Field that Appears on
 a Report
Message-ID: <MWHPR05MB3246C90601F2F951EACA2A25CFC90@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

All,

We have a rather complicated Access report (Shop Work Order).  Currently there is a single field near the top of this report that displays information that is entered manually into our manufacturing system.  Our users control how this information appears on the report by entering the info with line breaks and tabs.

This single field on the report is set up to "Grow" because the amount of data can vary widely, from 0 lines up to maybe 20-30 lines. 

We are now changing our processing and the information that was previously entered manually will now be coming from one or more "detail" records in the manufacturing database.

I am planning to combine the data from these detail records into a single field (in a temporary table) which will be mapped to the field on the report. So far, this works nicely, except for one issue.

I am not sure how to embed "line feeds" and tabs in this one single field when this field is being constructed from the detail records.

Thanks,

Brad Marks   


From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Thu Sep 22 09:07:06 2016
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 10:07:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWGCK7GnJGnSqQM=U70EfYYfOVn4SRv_oj8ZWCoij9OzxA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <58f56102-a12c-c6ba-188d-60734c27662f@gmail.com>
	<100512585.79125530.1473561041881.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
	<CAAZtbWGCK7GnJGnSqQM=U70EfYYfOVn4SRv_oj8ZWCoij9OzxA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <57E3AD4A0200006B00011D92@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>

I was asked a basic question today that I was a little embarrassed I did not know. I just never really needed to know because of how I develop things, but this was an end-user that uses Access and ran into a problem.
 
As you all know (I think), the proper way to create a multi-user Access DB is to split it into a back-end DB with all the tables and such in a common spot, and then give each user or workstation a copy of the front-end with forms/queries/reports to run locally. She has created several small databases that she shares and has had no issues...except for one...and she wants to know why.
 
I know it has to do with the lock file, and I have wondered why sometimes this works and other times it does not, but it was never really something I NEEDED to know, because my way doesn't present this issue. And I understand that her DBs are so small...in data and usage...that splitting them is sometimes more trouble than it is worth for her. 
 
So, can someone please educate me on the lock files and what I am missing...please?!
 
As it stands I am guessing that has something to do with location of the file...perhaps user rights to that location, or maybe as simple as how/where the lock file is being placed...?
 
Thanks ahead of time!

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From jbodin at sbor.com  Thu Sep 22 09:08:53 2016
From: jbodin at sbor.com (John Bodin)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 14:08:53 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] How to Embed Line Feeds in a Single Field that
 Appears on a Report
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR05MB3246C90601F2F951EACA2A25CFC90@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR05MB3246C90601F2F951EACA2A25CFC90@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CY1PR0401MB1020742A3C05C1F731270F61BDC90@CY1PR0401MB1020.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Brad, if you put in vbCrLf's and Chr(9)'s when building your Single Field, does the report strip them out?


So does "Hello" & vbCrLf & "World" & vbCrLf & "Hello" & chr(9) & "World" produce


Hello

World

Hello   World


or simply


HelloWorldHelowWorld


John





John Bodin

sBOR Office Systems

jbodin at sbor.com<mailto:jbodin at sbor.com>




________________________________
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of Brad Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 9:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] How to Embed Line Feeds in a Single Field that Appears on a Report

All,

We have a rather complicated Access report (Shop Work Order).  Currently there is a single field near the top of this report that displays information that is entered manually into our manufacturing system.  Our users control how this information appears on the report by entering the info with line breaks and tabs.

This single field on the report is set up to "Grow" because the amount of data can vary widely, from 0 lines up to maybe 20-30 lines.

We are now changing our processing and the information that was previously entered manually will now be coming from one or more "detail" records in the manufacturing database.

I am planning to combine the data from these detail records into a single field (in a temporary table) which will be mapped to the field on the report. So far, this works nicely, except for one issue.

I am not sure how to embed "line feeds" and tabs in this one single field when this field is being constructed from the detail records.

Thanks,

Brad Marks

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Sep 22 09:20:39 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 00:20:39 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] How to Embed Line Feeds in a Single Field that
 Appears on a Report
In-Reply-To: <CY1PR0401MB1020742A3C05C1F731270F61BDC90@CY1PR0401MB1020.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR05MB3246C90601F2F951EACA2A25CFC90@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>,
	<CY1PR0401MB1020742A3C05C1F731270F61BDC90@CY1PR0401MB1020.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <57E3E8B7.2007.104C23CA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

If vbCrLf doesn't work (it only works in VBA, not in queries), use Chr$(13) & Chr$(10) in its 
place.



On 22 Sep 2016 at 14:08, John Bodin wrote:

> Brad, if you put in vbCrLf's and Chr(9)'s when building your Single
> Field, does the report strip them out?
> 
> 
> So does "Hello" & vbCrLf & "World" & vbCrLf & "Hello" & chr(9) &
> "World" produce
> 
> 
> Hello
> 
> World
> 
> Hello   World
> 
> 
> or simply
> 
> 
> HelloWorldHelowWorld
> 
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> John Bodin
> 
> sBOR Office Systems
> 
> jbodin at sbor.com<mailto:jbodin at sbor.com>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of Brad
> Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016
> 9:32 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject:
> [AccessD] How to Embed Line Feeds in a Single Field that Appears on a
> Report
> 
> All,
> 
> We have a rather complicated Access report (Shop Work Order). 
> Currently there is a single field near the top of this report that
> displays information that is entered manually into our manufacturing
> system.  Our users control how this information appears on the report
> by entering the info with line breaks and tabs.
> 
> This single field on the report is set up to "Grow" because the amount
> of data can vary widely, from 0 lines up to maybe 20-30 lines.
> 
> We are now changing our processing and the information that was
> previously entered manually will now be coming from one or more
> "detail" records in the manufacturing database.
> 
> I am planning to combine the data from these detail records into a
> single field (in a temporary table) which will be mapped to the field
> on the report. So far, this works nicely, except for one issue.
> 
> I am not sure how to embed "line feeds" and tabs in this one single
> field when this field is being constructed from the detail records.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brad Marks
> 
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Sep 22 09:21:51 2016
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 09:21:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know
In-Reply-To: <57E3AD4A0200006B00011D92@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
References: <58f56102-a12c-c6ba-188d-60734c27662f@gmail.com>
	<100512585.79125530.1473561041881.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
	<CAAZtbWGCK7GnJGnSqQM=U70EfYYfOVn4SRv_oj8ZWCoij9OzxA@mail.gmail.com>
	<57E3AD4A0200006B00011D92@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pJt16-5CQvcsdpzmM-kBxQDUt4PmajtS9j0hpWW57pSYA@mail.gmail.com>

Users need full access to the file location of the database.  The lock
file has to be created when the database is opened and later deleted
when the database is closed and so users need creation and deletion
privileges. If the the lock file can't be created then the database
will be opened exclusive and nobody else can open it until it's
closed.  Often the network people will give only read access or read
and update access and not allow creation or deletion.  This would also
be the case in split database situations as the backend database also
has a lock file that must be created when opened and deleted when
closed.  Normally seeing there is a lock file will tell you that
either 1) someone has the database open now.  or 2) someone did not
exit and close the database properly so the lock file could be
deleted.

GK

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 9:07 AM, John Clark
<John.Clark at niagaracounty.com> wrote:
> I was asked a basic question today that I was a little embarrassed I did not know. I just never really needed to know because of how I develop things, but this was an end-user that uses Access and ran into a problem.
>
> As you all know (I think), the proper way to create a multi-user Access DB is to split it into a back-end DB with all the tables and such in a common spot, and then give each user or workstation a copy of the front-end with forms/queries/reports to run locally. She has created several small databases that she shares and has had no issues...except for one...and she wants to know why.
>
> I know it has to do with the lock file, and I have wondered why sometimes this works and other times it does not, but it was never really something I NEEDED to know, because my way doesn't present this issue. And I understand that her DBs are so small...in data and usage...that splitting them is sometimes more trouble than it is worth for her.
>
> So, can someone please educate me on the lock files and what I am missing...please?!
>
> As it stands I am guessing that has something to do with location of the file...perhaps user rights to that location, or maybe as simple as how/where the lock file is being placed...?
>
> Thanks ahead of time!
>
> Notice: This electronic transmission is intended for the sole use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential, privileged or otherwise legally protected information. If you are not the intended recipient, or if you believe you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this information, is strictly prohibited. Niagara County is not responsible for the content of any external hyperlink referenced in this email or any email.
> IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS TRANSMISSION IN ERROR, PLEASE NOTIFY THE SENDER IMMEDIATELY BY EMAIL AND DELETE THE ORIGINAL MESSAGE ALONG WITH ANY PAPER OR ELECTRONIC COPIES.
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Sep 22 09:27:10 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 00:27:10 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know
In-Reply-To: <57E3AD4A0200006B00011D92@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
References: <58f56102-a12c-c6ba-188d-60734c27662f@gmail.com>,
	<CAAZtbWGCK7GnJGnSqQM=U70EfYYfOVn4SRv_oj8ZWCoij9OzxA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<57E3AD4A0200006B00011D92@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <57E3EA3E.615.10521A49@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

The lock file is created by Access in the same directory as the database  when the first user 
opens the database, it is modified every time a user opens or closes the database.  It is 
closed when the last user closes the database.

All users need create,modify and delete rights to the directory containing the database.


On 22 Sep 2016 at 10:07, John Clark wrote:

> I was asked a basic question today that I was a little embarrassed I
> did not know. I just never really needed to know because of how I
> develop things, but this was an end-user that uses Access and ran into
> a problem.
> 
> As you all know (I think), the proper way to create a multi-user
> Access DB is to split it into a back-end DB with all the tables and
> such in a common spot, and then give each user or workstation a copy
> of the front-end with forms/queries/reports to run locally. She has
> created several small databases that she shares and has had no
> issues...except for one...and she wants to know why.
> 
> I know it has to do with the lock file, and I have wondered why
> sometimes this works and other times it does not, but it was never
> really something I NEEDED to know, because my way doesn't present this
> issue. And I understand that her DBs are so small...in data and
> usage...that splitting them is sometimes more trouble than it is worth
> for her. 
> 
> So, can someone please educate me on the lock files and what I am
> missing...please?!
> 
> As it stands I am guessing that has something to do with location of
> the file...perhaps user rights to that location, or maybe as simple as
> how/where the lock file is being placed...?
> 
> Thanks ahead of time!
> 
> Notice: This electronic transmission is intended for the sole use of
> the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain
> confidential, privileged or otherwise legally protected information.
> If you are not the intended recipient, or if you believe you are not
> the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use,
> disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in
> reliance on the contents of this information, is strictly prohibited.
> Niagara County is not responsible for the content of any external
> hyperlink referenced in this email or any email. IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED
> THIS TRANSMISSION IN ERROR, PLEASE NOTIFY THE SENDER IMMEDIATELY BY
> EMAIL AND DELETE THE ORIGINAL MESSAGE ALONG WITH ANY PAPER OR
> ELECTRONIC COPIES. Thank you for your cooperation. -- AccessD mailing
> list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From delam at zyterra.com  Thu Sep 22 09:27:46 2016
From: delam at zyterra.com (Zyterra)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 09:27:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know
In-Reply-To: <57E3AD4A0200006B00011D92@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
References: <58f56102-a12c-c6ba-188d-60734c27662f@gmail.com>
	<100512585.79125530.1473561041881.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
	<CAAZtbWGCK7GnJGnSqQM=U70EfYYfOVn4SRv_oj8ZWCoij9OzxA@mail.gmail.com>
	<57E3AD4A0200006B00011D92@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <FEDD4D1C-AFD2-4F23-B60D-774D4B6AEDD6@zyterra.com>

I had a database many years ago. It was in a directory that I had read write access to, but other users only had read access. If I opened the database first, there would be a network lock file created and everyone could get in the database without any issues. If one of the read only users got in first, then only they could use the database unless they completely logged out and I opened it. 

Hope this is close enough to give a clue on this situation.  

Debbie

I cannot be perfect, but I can choose to be better than I was yesterday. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 22, 2016, at 9:07 AM, John Clark <John.Clark at niagaracounty.com> wrote:
> 
> I was asked a basic question today that I was a little embarrassed I did not know. I just never really needed to know because of how I develop things, but this was an end-user that uses Access and ran into a problem.
> 
> As you all know (I think), the proper way to create a multi-user Access DB is to split it into a back-end DB with all the tables and such in a common spot, and then give each user or workstation a copy of the front-end with forms/queries/reports to run locally. She has created several small databases that she shares and has had no issues...except for one...and she wants to know why.
> 
> I know it has to do with the lock file, and I have wondered why sometimes this works and other times it does not, but it was never really something I NEEDED to know, because my way doesn't present this issue. And I understand that her DBs are so small...in data and usage...that splitting them is sometimes more trouble than it is worth for her. 
> 
> So, can someone please educate me on the lock files and what I am missing...please?!
> 
> As it stands I am guessing that has something to do with location of the file...perhaps user rights to that location, or maybe as simple as how/where the lock file is being placed...?
> 
> Thanks ahead of time!
> 
> Notice: This electronic transmission is intended for the sole use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential, privileged or otherwise legally protected information. If you are not the intended recipient, or if you believe you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this information, is strictly prohibited. Niagara County is not responsible for the content of any external hyperlink referenced in this email or any email. 
> IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS TRANSMISSION IN ERROR, PLEASE NOTIFY THE SENDER IMMEDIATELY BY EMAIL AND DELETE THE ORIGINAL MESSAGE ALONG WITH ANY PAPER OR ELECTRONIC COPIES. 
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Sep 22 09:30:55 2016
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 10:30:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know
In-Reply-To: <57E3AD4A0200006B00011D92@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
References: <58f56102-a12c-c6ba-188d-60734c27662f@gmail.com>
	<100512585.79125530.1473561041881.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
	<CAAZtbWGCK7GnJGnSqQM=U70EfYYfOVn4SRv_oj8ZWCoij9OzxA@mail.gmail.com>
	<57E3AD4A0200006B00011D92@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <5F2A2D5E5E7B489A8FA0E366BD268F26@XPS>

John,

  You don't mention exactly what the issue is that she is having.

  In short though, the .LDB file is used to keep track of users, and is used
by MSACCESS.EXE to place locks against a DB.   For this to work properly,
all users need full read, write, and delete privs for the directory where
the DB resides.  This is for both the FE and the BE in a split app.  Also on
the directory that holds the workgroup file. 

  If Access (actually JET/ACE), can't create a .LDB file, then the DB is
opened exclusive despite any settings.

   There are other issues outside of that when sharing a DB.   Creating a
temp query or using a temp table.   If your sharing a DB and don't take into
account that multiple users are in there at one time (say sharing a single
FE), then you can still have problems even though the app is "split".

  That's why it's always best to split into a FE and BE and have each user
have their own copy of the FE.

Jim.

  

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
John Clark
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 10:07 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know

I was asked a basic question today that I was a little embarrassed I did not
know. I just never really needed to know because of how I develop things,
but this was an end-user that uses Access and ran into a problem.
 
As you all know (I think), the proper way to create a multi-user Access DB
is to split it into a back-end DB with all the tables and such in a common
spot, and then give each user or workstation a copy of the front-end with
forms/queries/reports to run locally. She has created several small
databases that she shares and has had no issues...except for one...and she
wants to know why.
 
I know it has to do with the lock file, and I have wondered why sometimes
this works and other times it does not, but it was never really something I
NEEDED to know, because my way doesn't present this issue. And I understand
that her DBs are so small...in data and usage...that splitting them is
sometimes more trouble than it is worth for her. 
 
So, can someone please educate me on the lock files and what I am
missing...please?!
 
As it stands I am guessing that has something to do with location of the
file...perhaps user rights to that location, or maybe as simple as how/where
the lock file is being placed...?
 
Thanks ahead of time!

Notice: This electronic transmission is intended for the sole use of the
individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential,
privileged or otherwise legally protected information. If you are not the
intended recipient, or if you believe you are not the intended recipient,
you are hereby notified that any use, disclosure, copying, distribution, or
the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this information, is
strictly prohibited. Niagara County is not responsible for the content of
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From bradm at blackforestltd.com  Thu Sep 22 09:49:39 2016
From: bradm at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 14:49:39 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] How to Embed Line Feeds in a Single Field that
 Appears on a Report
In-Reply-To: <57E3E8B7.2007.104C23CA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <MWHPR05MB3246C90601F2F951EACA2A25CFC90@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>,
	<CY1PR0401MB1020742A3C05C1F731270F61BDC90@CY1PR0401MB1020.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<57E3E8B7.2007.104C23CA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <MWHPR05MB3246BB3748916AFE6FE4A402CFC90@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

For testing, I built a small Access application with one table.

In this table, I added three fields;
Short text
Long Text (Plain Text format)
Long Text (Rich Text format)

I then added this data to each of the three fields in the table

Line1 Chr$(13)  Chr$(10) Line2

I then built a small report to display these three fields.

Here is what I see on the report for each of the three fields -

Line1 Chr$(13)  Chr$(10) Line2


I was hoping to see this

Line1
Line2





Brad 



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 9:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Embed Line Feeds in a Single Field that Appears on a Report

If vbCrLf doesn't work (it only works in VBA, not in queries), use Chr$(13) & Chr$(10) in its place.



On 22 Sep 2016 at 14:08, John Bodin wrote:

> Brad, if you put in vbCrLf's and Chr(9)'s when building your Single
> Field, does the report strip them out?
> 
> 
> So does "Hello" & vbCrLf & "World" & vbCrLf & "Hello" & chr(9) &
> "World" produce
> 
> 
> Hello
> 
> World
> 
> Hello   World
> 
> 
> or simply
> 
> 
> HelloWorldHelowWorld
> 
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> John Bodin
> 
> sBOR Office Systems
> 
> jbodin at sbor.com<mailto:jbodin at sbor.com>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of Brad
> Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016
> 9:32 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject:
> [AccessD] How to Embed Line Feeds in a Single Field that Appears on a
> Report
> 
> All,
> 
> We have a rather complicated Access report (Shop Work Order). 
> Currently there is a single field near the top of this report that
> displays information that is entered manually into our manufacturing
> system.  Our users control how this information appears on the report
> by entering the info with line breaks and tabs.
> 
> This single field on the report is set up to "Grow" because the amount
> of data can vary widely, from 0 lines up to maybe 20-30 lines.
> 
> We are now changing our processing and the information that was
> previously entered manually will now be coming from one or more
> "detail" records in the manufacturing database.
> 
> I am planning to combine the data from these detail records into a
> single field (in a temporary table) which will be mapped to the field
> on the report. So far, this works nicely, except for one issue.
> 
> I am not sure how to embed "line feeds" and tabs in this one single
> field when this field is being constructed from the detail records.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brad Marks
> 
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From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Thu Sep 22 10:02:02 2016
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 16:02:02 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] How to Embed Line Feeds in a Single Field that
 Appears on a Report
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR05MB3246BB3748916AFE6FE4A402CFC90@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR05MB3246C90601F2F951EACA2A25CFC90@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
	<CY1PR0401MB1020742A3C05C1F731270F61BDC90@CY1PR0401MB1020.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<57E3E8B7.2007.104C23CA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<MWHPR05MB3246BB3748916AFE6FE4A402CFC90@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
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Brad,

As John was saying have you tried vbCrLf when building the final field, for
example in your fields try this;

Field1 (Short text)   - enter 'Line 1'
Field2 (Long Text (Plain Text format)) - enter 'Line 2'
Field3 (Long Text (Rich Text format)) - enter 'Line 3'

So you end up with three fields, now create a query and select the three
fields in separate columns and in the fouth column build them altogether
something like below;

FinalBuild: Field1 & vbcrlf & Field2 & vbcrlf & Field3

Which should produce something like below;

Field1       Field2       Field3      FinalBuild
Line 1       Line 2       Line 3      Line 1
                                              Line 2
                                              Line 3

Paul

On 22 September 2016 at 15:49, Brad Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com> wrote:

> For testing, I built a small Access application with one table.
>
> In this table, I added three fields;
> Short text
> Long Text (Plain Text format)
> Long Text (Rich Text format)
>
> I then added this data to each of the three fields in the table
>
> Line1 Chr$(13)  Chr$(10) Line2
>
> I then built a small report to display these three fields.
>
> Here is what I see on the report for each of the three fields -
>
> Line1 Chr$(13)  Chr$(10) Line2
>
>
> I was hoping to see this
>
> Line1
> Line2
>
>
>
>
>
> Brad
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 9:21 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Embed Line Feeds in a Single Field that
> Appears on a Report
>
> If vbCrLf doesn't work (it only works in VBA, not in queries), use
> Chr$(13) & Chr$(10) in its place.
>
>
>
> On 22 Sep 2016 at 14:08, John Bodin wrote:
>
> > Brad, if you put in vbCrLf's and Chr(9)'s when building your Single
> > Field, does the report strip them out?
> >
> >
> > So does "Hello" & vbCrLf & "World" & vbCrLf & "Hello" & chr(9) &
> > "World" produce
> >
> >
> > Hello
> >
> > World
> >
> > Hello   World
> >
> >
> > or simply
> >
> >
> > HelloWorldHelowWorld
> >
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > John Bodin
> >
> > sBOR Office Systems
> >
> > jbodin at sbor.com<mailto:jbodin at sbor.com>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of Brad
> > Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016
> > 9:32 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject:
> > [AccessD] How to Embed Line Feeds in a Single Field that Appears on a
> > Report
> >
> > All,
> >
> > We have a rather complicated Access report (Shop Work Order).
> > Currently there is a single field near the top of this report that
> > displays information that is entered manually into our manufacturing
> > system.  Our users control how this information appears on the report
> > by entering the info with line breaks and tabs.
> >
> > This single field on the report is set up to "Grow" because the amount
> > of data can vary widely, from 0 lines up to maybe 20-30 lines.
> >
> > We are now changing our processing and the information that was
> > previously entered manually will now be coming from one or more
> > "detail" records in the manufacturing database.
> >
> > I am planning to combine the data from these detail records into a
> > single field (in a temporary table) which will be mapped to the field
> > on the report. So far, this works nicely, except for one issue.
> >
> > I am not sure how to embed "line feeds" and tabs in this one single
> > field when this field is being constructed from the detail records.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Brad Marks
> >
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From jbodin at sbor.com  Thu Sep 22 10:06:22 2016
From: jbodin at sbor.com (John Bodin)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 15:06:22 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] How to Embed Line Feeds in a Single Field that
 Appears on a Report
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR05MB3246BB3748916AFE6FE4A402CFC90@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR05MB3246C90601F2F951EACA2A25CFC90@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>,
	<CY1PR0401MB1020742A3C05C1F731270F61BDC90@CY1PR0401MB1020.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<57E3E8B7.2007.104C23CA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<MWHPR05MB3246BB3748916AFE6FE4A402CFC90@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CY1PR0401MB1020034FC6E14A845C9163C1BDC90@CY1PR0401MB1020.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Run code to replace another field with "Line1" & vbCrLf & "Line2" and then insert that field onto your report.  Does that work?  And you can substitute chr(13) and Chr(10) for vbCrLf if you can't use that constant.






John Bodin

sBOR Office Systems

jbodin at sbor.com<mailto:jbodin at sbor.com>




________________________________
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of Brad Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 10:49 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Embed Line Feeds in a Single Field that Appears on a Report

For testing, I built a small Access application with one table.

In this table, I added three fields;
Short text
Long Text (Plain Text format)
Long Text (Rich Text format)

I then added this data to each of the three fields in the table

Line1 Chr$(13)  Chr$(10) Line2

I then built a small report to display these three fields.

Here is what I see on the report for each of the three fields -

Line1 Chr$(13)  Chr$(10) Line2


I was hoping to see this

Line1
Line2





Brad



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 9:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Embed Line Feeds in a Single Field that Appears on a Report

If vbCrLf doesn't work (it only works in VBA, not in queries), use Chr$(13) & Chr$(10) in its place.



On 22 Sep 2016 at 14:08, John Bodin wrote:

> Brad, if you put in vbCrLf's and Chr(9)'s when building your Single
> Field, does the report strip them out?
>
>
> So does "Hello" & vbCrLf & "World" & vbCrLf & "Hello" & chr(9) &
> "World" produce
>
>
> Hello
>
> World
>
> Hello   World
>
>
> or simply
>
>
> HelloWorldHelowWorld
>
>
> John
>
>
>
>
>
> John Bodin
>
> sBOR Office Systems
>
> jbodin at sbor.com<mailto:jbodin at sbor.com>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of Brad
> Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016
> 9:32 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject:
> [AccessD] How to Embed Line Feeds in a Single Field that Appears on a
> Report
>
> All,
>
> We have a rather complicated Access report (Shop Work Order).
> Currently there is a single field near the top of this report that
> displays information that is entered manually into our manufacturing
> system.  Our users control how this information appears on the report
> by entering the info with line breaks and tabs.
>
> This single field on the report is set up to "Grow" because the amount
> of data can vary widely, from 0 lines up to maybe 20-30 lines.
>
> We are now changing our processing and the information that was
> previously entered manually will now be coming from one or more
> "detail" records in the manufacturing database.
>
> I am planning to combine the data from these detail records into a
> single field (in a temporary table) which will be mapped to the field
> on the report. So far, this works nicely, except for one issue.
>
> I am not sure how to embed "line feeds" and tabs in this one single
> field when this field is being constructed from the detail records.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brad Marks
>
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Sep 22 10:08:47 2016
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 11:08:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] How to Embed Line Feeds in a Single Field that
 Appears on a Report
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	<CY1PR0401MB1020742A3C05C1F731270F61BDC90@CY1PR0401MB1020.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<57E3E8B7.2007.104C23CA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<MWHPR05MB3246BB3748916AFE6FE4A402CFC90@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <D7B51BF87DA948BE9118872CA21DD1CF@XPS>


 When you add the data, you have to do it like this:

 "Line1" & chr$(13) & chr$(10) & "Line2" & ...And so on.

 You need to do this in code as you can't type it in that way directly.

 If your typing into the field directly, you can use Alt/Enter

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Brad Marks
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 10:50 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Embed Line Feeds in a Single Field that
Appears on a Report

For testing, I built a small Access application with one table.

In this table, I added three fields;
Short text
Long Text (Plain Text format)
Long Text (Rich Text format)

I then added this data to each of the three fields in the table

Line1 Chr$(13)  Chr$(10) Line2

I then built a small report to display these three fields.

Here is what I see on the report for each of the three fields -

Line1 Chr$(13)  Chr$(10) Line2


I was hoping to see this

Line1
Line2





Brad 



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 9:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Embed Line Feeds in a Single Field that
Appears on a Report

If vbCrLf doesn't work (it only works in VBA, not in queries), use Chr$(13)
& Chr$(10) in its place.



On 22 Sep 2016 at 14:08, John Bodin wrote:

> Brad, if you put in vbCrLf's and Chr(9)'s when building your Single
> Field, does the report strip them out?
> 
> 
> So does "Hello" & vbCrLf & "World" & vbCrLf & "Hello" & chr(9) &
> "World" produce
> 
> 
> Hello
> 
> World
> 
> Hello   World
> 
> 
> or simply
> 
> 
> HelloWorldHelowWorld
> 
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> John Bodin
> 
> sBOR Office Systems
> 
> jbodin at sbor.com<mailto:jbodin at sbor.com>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of Brad
> Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016
> 9:32 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject:
> [AccessD] How to Embed Line Feeds in a Single Field that Appears on a
> Report
> 
> All,
> 
> We have a rather complicated Access report (Shop Work Order). 
> Currently there is a single field near the top of this report that
> displays information that is entered manually into our manufacturing
> system.  Our users control how this information appears on the report
> by entering the info with line breaks and tabs.
> 
> This single field on the report is set up to "Grow" because the amount
> of data can vary widely, from 0 lines up to maybe 20-30 lines.
> 
> We are now changing our processing and the information that was
> previously entered manually will now be coming from one or more
> "detail" records in the manufacturing database.
> 
> I am planning to combine the data from these detail records into a
> single field (in a temporary table) which will be mapped to the field
> on the report. So far, this works nicely, except for one issue.
> 
> I am not sure how to embed "line feeds" and tabs in this one single
> field when this field is being constructed from the detail records.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brad Marks
> 
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Sep 22 10:21:47 2016
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 11:21:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] How to Embed Line Feeds in a Single Field that
 Appears on a Report
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References: <MWHPR05MB3246C90601F2F951EACA2A25CFC90@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>,
	<CY1PR0401MB1020742A3C05C1F731270F61BDC90@CY1PR0401MB1020.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<57E3E8B7.2007.104C23CA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
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	<D7B51BF87DA948BE9118872CA21DD1CF@XPS>
Message-ID: <65C462446FA04F3BADFE3573031C839B@XPS>


 BTW,  you can also do:

 Alt+013 (013 is on the numeric keypad), followed by Alt+010 

 Alt/Enter is a shortcut to get a carriage return/line feed pair of
characters.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Dettman
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 11:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Embed Line Feeds in a Single Field that
Appears on a Report


 When you add the data, you have to do it like this:

 "Line1" & chr$(13) & chr$(10) & "Line2" & ...And so on.

 You need to do this in code as you can't type it in that way directly.

 If your typing into the field directly, you can use Alt/Enter

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Brad Marks
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 10:50 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Embed Line Feeds in a Single Field that
Appears on a Report

For testing, I built a small Access application with one table.

In this table, I added three fields;
Short text
Long Text (Plain Text format)
Long Text (Rich Text format)

I then added this data to each of the three fields in the table

Line1 Chr$(13)  Chr$(10) Line2

I then built a small report to display these three fields.

Here is what I see on the report for each of the three fields -

Line1 Chr$(13)  Chr$(10) Line2


I was hoping to see this

Line1
Line2





Brad 



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 9:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Embed Line Feeds in a Single Field that
Appears on a Report

If vbCrLf doesn't work (it only works in VBA, not in queries), use Chr$(13)
& Chr$(10) in its place.



On 22 Sep 2016 at 14:08, John Bodin wrote:

> Brad, if you put in vbCrLf's and Chr(9)'s when building your Single
> Field, does the report strip them out?
> 
> 
> So does "Hello" & vbCrLf & "World" & vbCrLf & "Hello" & chr(9) &
> "World" produce
> 
> 
> Hello
> 
> World
> 
> Hello   World
> 
> 
> or simply
> 
> 
> HelloWorldHelowWorld
> 
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> John Bodin
> 
> sBOR Office Systems
> 
> jbodin at sbor.com<mailto:jbodin at sbor.com>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of Brad
> Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016
> 9:32 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject:
> [AccessD] How to Embed Line Feeds in a Single Field that Appears on a
> Report
> 
> All,
> 
> We have a rather complicated Access report (Shop Work Order). 
> Currently there is a single field near the top of this report that
> displays information that is entered manually into our manufacturing
> system.  Our users control how this information appears on the report
> by entering the info with line breaks and tabs.
> 
> This single field on the report is set up to "Grow" because the amount
> of data can vary widely, from 0 lines up to maybe 20-30 lines.
> 
> We are now changing our processing and the information that was
> previously entered manually will now be coming from one or more
> "detail" records in the manufacturing database.
> 
> I am planning to combine the data from these detail records into a
> single field (in a temporary table) which will be mapped to the field
> on the report. So far, this works nicely, except for one issue.
> 
> I am not sure how to embed "line feeds" and tabs in this one single
> field when this field is being constructed from the detail records.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brad Marks
> 
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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Thu Sep 22 10:29:10 2016
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 11:29:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know
In-Reply-To: <5F2A2D5E5E7B489A8FA0E366BD268F26@XPS>
References: <58f56102-a12c-c6ba-188d-60734c27662f@gmail.com>
	<100512585.79125530.1473561041881.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
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	<5F2A2D5E5E7B489A8FA0E366BD268F26@XPS>
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*** In-Line

>>> "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net> 9/22/2016 10:30 AM >>>
John,

  You don't mention exactly what the issue is that she is having.
 
*** I thought I had...sorry. What is happening is that out of all her DBs (let's say she has five) all can be accessed by multiple users (we're just talking about 2 users normally...3 at most for some) except for one of them. She is inquiring why this one DB works differently.

In short though, the .LDB file is used to keep track of users, and is used by MSACCESS.EXE to place locks against a DB.   For this to work properly, all users need full read, write, and delete privs for the directory where the DB resides.  This is for both the FE and the BE in a split app.  Also on the directory that holds the workgroup file. 

If Access (actually JET/ACE), can't create a .LDB file, then the DB is opened exclusive despite any settings.
*** This is something that I did not know...I have learned something!

There are other issues outside of that when sharing a DB.   Creating a temp query or using a temp table.   If your sharing a DB and don't take into account that multiple users are in there at one time (say sharing a single
FE), then you can still have problems even though the app is "split".

That's why it's always best to split into a FE and BE and have each user have their own copy of the FE.

Jim.

  

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Subject: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know

I was asked a basic question today that I was a little embarrassed I did not
know. I just never really needed to know because of how I develop things,
but this was an end-user that uses Access and ran into a problem.

As you all know (I think), the proper way to create a multi-user Access DB
is to split it into a back-end DB with all the tables and such in a common
spot, and then give each user or workstation a copy of the front-end with
forms/queries/reports to run locally. She has created several small
databases that she shares and has had no issues...except for one...and she
wants to know why.

I know it has to do with the lock file, and I have wondered why sometimes
this works and other times it does not, but it was never really something I
NEEDED to know, because my way doesn't present this issue. And I understand
that her DBs are so small...in data and usage...that splitting them is
sometimes more trouble than it is worth for her. 

So, can someone please educate me on the lock files and what I am
missing...please?!

As it stands I am guessing that has something to do with location of the
file...perhaps user rights to that location, or maybe as simple as how/where
the lock file is being placed...?

Thanks ahead of time!

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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Thu Sep 22 10:40:41 2016
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 11:40:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know
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Two things Debbie...
 
1st...This may be a clue; I'll check out their rights. Off the top of my head it is probably not going to be the case, but it has sparked my curiosity and might at least lead me down the correct path.
 
2nd...I LOVE that quote you give. I am a high school football coach and I'm squirelling this quote away. One of my philosophies of coaching...more of a "methodology" I guess...is to simplify things. With the age group I work with (generally anywhere from 15-19) I like to make tasks seem attainable...I know they are, but I need them to buy in and believe in themselves. Your quote fits perfectly into this...Thank you!
 
"I cannot be perfect, but I can choose to be better than I was yesterday. "

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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu Sep 22 10:43:38 2016
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 15:43:38 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] How to Embed Line Feeds in a Single Field that
 Appears on a Report
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	<CY1PR0401MB1020742A3C05C1F731270F61BDC90@CY1PR0401MB1020.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<57E3E8B7.2007.104C23CA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
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Or maybe you could combine the data in the text box on the report. Something like this

Try setting the ControlSource of the TextBox to:
= ([Field1] + Chr(13) + Chr(10)) & 
  ([Field2] + Chr(13) + Chr(10)) & 
  ([Field3] + Chr(13) + Chr(10))

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Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Embed Line Feeds in a Single Field that Appears on a Report


 BTW,  you can also do:

 Alt+013 (013 is on the numeric keypad), followed by Alt+010 

 Alt/Enter is a shortcut to get a carriage return/line feed pair of characters.

Jim.

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 When you add the data, you have to do it like this:

 "Line1" & chr$(13) & chr$(10) & "Line2" & ...And so on.

 You need to do this in code as you can't type it in that way directly.

 If your typing into the field directly, you can use Alt/Enter

Jim. 

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Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 10:50 AM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Embed Line Feeds in a Single Field that Appears on a Report

For testing, I built a small Access application with one table.

In this table, I added three fields;
Short text
Long Text (Plain Text format)
Long Text (Rich Text format)

I then added this data to each of the three fields in the table

Line1 Chr$(13)  Chr$(10) Line2

I then built a small report to display these three fields.

Here is what I see on the report for each of the three fields -

Line1 Chr$(13)  Chr$(10) Line2


I was hoping to see this

Line1
Line2





Brad 



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Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 9:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Embed Line Feeds in a Single Field that Appears on a Report

If vbCrLf doesn't work (it only works in VBA, not in queries), use Chr$(13) & Chr$(10) in its place.



On 22 Sep 2016 at 14:08, John Bodin wrote:

> Brad, if you put in vbCrLf's and Chr(9)'s when building your Single 
> Field, does the report strip them out?
> 
> 
> So does "Hello" & vbCrLf & "World" & vbCrLf & "Hello" & chr(9) & 
> "World" produce
> 
> 
> Hello
> 
> World
> 
> Hello   World
> 
> 
> or simply
> 
> 
> HelloWorldHelowWorld
> 
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> John Bodin
> 
> sBOR Office Systems
> 
> jbodin at sbor.com<mailto:jbodin at sbor.com>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of Brad 
> Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016
> 9:32 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject:
> [AccessD] How to Embed Line Feeds in a Single Field that Appears on a 
> Report
> 
> All,
> 
> We have a rather complicated Access report (Shop Work Order). 
> Currently there is a single field near the top of this report that 
> displays information that is entered manually into our manufacturing 
> system.  Our users control how this information appears on the report 
> by entering the info with line breaks and tabs.
> 
> This single field on the report is set up to "Grow" because the amount 
> of data can vary widely, from 0 lines up to maybe 20-30 lines.
> 
> We are now changing our processing and the information that was 
> previously entered manually will now be coming from one or more 
> "detail" records in the manufacturing database.
> 
> I am planning to combine the data from these detail records into a 
> single field (in a temporary table) which will be mapped to the field 
> on the report. So far, this works nicely, except for one issue.
> 
> I am not sure how to embed "line feeds" and tabs in this one single 
> field when this field is being constructed from the detail records.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brad Marks
> 
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Sep 22 12:19:29 2016
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 13:19:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know
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John,

<<
  You don't mention exactly what the issue is that she is having.
 
*** I thought I had...sorry. What is happening is that out of all her DBs
(let's say she has five) all can be accessed by multiple users (we're just
talking about 2 users normally...3 at most for some) except for one of them.
She is inquiring why this one DB works differently.
>>

  You did say that, but it wasn't clear to me if they had problems while
trying to open the DB, or once they were in the DB.

  If more than one can't open it, then that's Access settings (Shared or
exclusive) or privs on the directory.

  If their having a problem once their in it, then that is something along
the lines of a temp query or table problem (two users trying to do the same
process).

  That's what I was getting at.

Jim.

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*** In-Line

>>> "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net> 9/22/2016 10:30 AM >>>
John,

  You don't mention exactly what the issue is that she is having.
 
*** I thought I had...sorry. What is happening is that out of all her DBs
(let's say she has five) all can be accessed by multiple users (we're just
talking about 2 users normally...3 at most for some) except for one of them.
She is inquiring why this one DB works differently.

In short though, the .LDB file is used to keep track of users, and is used
by MSACCESS.EXE to place locks against a DB.   For this to work properly,
all users need full read, write, and delete privs for the directory where
the DB resides.  This is for both the FE and the BE in a split app.  Also on
the directory that holds the workgroup file. 

If Access (actually JET/ACE), can't create a .LDB file, then the DB is
opened exclusive despite any settings.
*** This is something that I did not know...I have learned something!

There are other issues outside of that when sharing a DB.   Creating a temp
query or using a temp table.   If your sharing a DB and don't take into
account that multiple users are in there at one time (say sharing a single
FE), then you can still have problems even though the app is "split".

That's why it's always best to split into a FE and BE and have each user
have their own copy of the FE.

Jim.

  

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Subject: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know

I was asked a basic question today that I was a little embarrassed I did not
know. I just never really needed to know because of how I develop things,
but this was an end-user that uses Access and ran into a problem.

As you all know (I think), the proper way to create a multi-user Access DB
is to split it into a back-end DB with all the tables and such in a common
spot, and then give each user or workstation a copy of the front-end with
forms/queries/reports to run locally. She has created several small
databases that she shares and has had no issues...except for one...and she
wants to know why.

I know it has to do with the lock file, and I have wondered why sometimes
this works and other times it does not, but it was never really something I
NEEDED to know, because my way doesn't present this issue. And I understand
that her DBs are so small...in data and usage...that splitting them is
sometimes more trouble than it is worth for her. 

So, can someone please educate me on the lock files and what I am
missing...please?!

As it stands I am guessing that has something to do with location of the
file...perhaps user rights to that location, or maybe as simple as how/where
the lock file is being placed...?

Thanks ahead of time!

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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Thu Sep 22 12:59:02 2016
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 13:59:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know
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"If more than one can't open it, then that's Access settings (Shared or exclusive) or privs on the directory."
Bingo...this is the issue. And I never really saw it as an "issue" really...just the way it is. If we needed multiple users I suggested splitting the DB, and if a user was a single access user it didn't matter.
 
This is an amateur user and she just wanted to know why one single DB did this for her. And I was really unable to give her a concrete answer, so I'm looking to fill that gap in my knowledge. 
 
If I understand correctly, you are saying that there are settings with the DB for this? I wouldn't think she'd have done anything differently, but this would make sense.
 

 

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Sep 22 13:32:28 2016
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 14:32:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know
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So, what was the actual problem? :)

Susan H.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 10:07 AM, John Clark <John.Clark at niagaracounty.com>
wrote:

> I was asked a basic question today that I was a little embarrassed I did
> not know. I just never really needed to know because of how I develop
> things, but this was an end-user that uses Access and ran into a problem.
>
> As you all know (I think), the proper way to create a multi-user Access DB
> is to split it into a back-end DB with all the tables and such in a common
> spot, and then give each user or workstation a copy of the front-end with
> forms/queries/reports to run locally. She has created several small
> databases that she shares and has had no issues...except for one...and she
> wants to know why.
>
> I know it has to do with the lock file, and I have wondered why sometimes
> this works and other times it does not, but it was never really something I
> NEEDED to know, because my way doesn't present this issue. And I understand
> that her DBs are so small...in data and usage...that splitting them is
> sometimes more trouble than it is worth for her.
>
> So, can someone please educate me on the lock files and what I am
> missing...please?!
>
> As it stands I am guessing that has something to do with location of the
> file...perhaps user rights to that location, or maybe as simple as
> how/where the lock file is being placed...?
>
> Thanks ahead of time!
>
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Sep 22 14:03:37 2016
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 15:03:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know
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 <<If I understand correctly, you are saying that there are settings with
the DB for this? I wouldn't think she'd have done anything differently, but
this would make sense.>>

  Access settings (with a DB open, it's under File, Options, Client
Settings, Default Open Mode).   If one user has their settings defaulted to
"exclusive", then even if the privs are right, only that person will have
access to the DB if their the first in, and if not the first in, they won't
be able to open it.

  Like wise if they have a shortcut with the /excl switch (rare - but I've
seen setups for admins where they have a shortcut on the desktop with this,
and then use it out of habit).

 Everyone should have this setting as "Shared", and have full privs for the
FE/BE directories and then you shouldn't have any problems.

Jim.


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"If more than one can't open it, then that's Access settings (Shared or
exclusive) or privs on the directory."
Bingo...this is the issue. And I never really saw it as an "issue"
really...just the way it is. If we needed multiple users I suggested
splitting the DB, and if a user was a single access user it didn't matter.
 
This is an amateur user and she just wanted to know why one single DB did
this for her. And I was really unable to give her a concrete answer, so I'm
looking to fill that gap in my knowledge. 
 
If I understand correctly, you are saying that there are settings with the
DB for this? I wouldn't think she'd have done anything differently, but this
would make sense.
 

 

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Sep 22 15:02:06 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 06:02:06 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] How to Embed Line Feeds in a Single Field that
 Appears on a Report
In-Reply-To: <D7B51BF87DA948BE9118872CA21DD1CF@XPS>
References: <MWHPR05MB3246C90601F2F951EACA2A25CFC90@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>,
	<MWHPR05MB3246BB3748916AFE6FE4A402CFC90@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>,
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If your fields are called Line1, Line2 etc, this works in the Query Grid:

Expr1: [Line1] & chr$(13) & chr$(10) & [Line2]


On 22 Sep 2016 at 11:08, Jim Dettman wrote:

> 
>  When you add the data, you have to do it like this:
> 
>  "Line1" & chr$(13) & chr$(10) & "Line2" & ...And so on.
> 
>  You need to do this in code as you can't type it in that way
>  directly.
> 
>  If your typing into the field directly, you can use Alt/Enter
> 
> Jim. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Brad Marks Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 10:50 AM To: Access
> Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] How
> to Embed Line Feeds in a Single Field that Appears on a Report
> 
> For testing, I built a small Access application with one table.
> 
> In this table, I added three fields;
> Short text
> Long Text (Plain Text format)
> Long Text (Rich Text format)
> 
> I then added this data to each of the three fields in the table
> 
> Line1 Chr$(13)  Chr$(10) Line2
> 
> I then built a small report to display these three fields.
> 
> Here is what I see on the report for each of the three fields -
> 
> Line1 Chr$(13)  Chr$(10) Line2
> 
> 
> I was hoping to see this
> 
> Line1
> Line2
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Brad 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 9:21 AM To:
> Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Embed
> Line Feeds in a Single Field that Appears on a Report
> 
> If vbCrLf doesn't work (it only works in VBA, not in queries), use
> Chr$(13) & Chr$(10) in its place.
> 
> 
> 
> On 22 Sep 2016 at 14:08, John Bodin wrote:
> 
> > Brad, if you put in vbCrLf's and Chr(9)'s when building your Single
> > Field, does the report strip them out?
> > 
> > 
> > So does "Hello" & vbCrLf & "World" & vbCrLf & "Hello" & chr(9) &
> > "World" produce
> > 
> > 
> > Hello
> > 
> > World
> > 
> > Hello   World
> > 
> > 
> > or simply
> > 
> > 
> > HelloWorldHelowWorld
> > 
> > 
> > John
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > John Bodin
> > 
> > sBOR Office Systems
> > 
> > jbodin at sbor.com<mailto:jbodin at sbor.com>
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ________________________________
> > From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of
> > Brad Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com> Sent: Thursday, September 22,
> > 2016 9:32 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: [AccessD] How to Embed Line Feeds in a Single Field that
> > Appears on a Report
> > 
> > All,
> > 
> > We have a rather complicated Access report (Shop Work Order). 
> > Currently there is a single field near the top of this report that
> > displays information that is entered manually into our manufacturing
> > system.  Our users control how this information appears on the
> > report by entering the info with line breaks and tabs.
> > 
> > This single field on the report is set up to "Grow" because the
> > amount of data can vary widely, from 0 lines up to maybe 20-30
> > lines.
> > 
> > We are now changing our processing and the information that was
> > previously entered manually will now be coming from one or more
> > "detail" records in the manufacturing database.
> > 
> > I am planning to combine the data from these detail records into a
> > single field (in a temporary table) which will be mapped to the
> > field on the report. So far, this works nicely, except for one
> > issue.
> > 
> > I am not sure how to embed "line feeds" and tabs in this one single
> > field when this field is being constructed from the detail records.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Brad Marks
> > 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Sep 22 15:02:50 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 06:02:50 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] How to Embed Line Feeds in a Single Field that
 Appears on a Report
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	<MWHPR05MB3246BB3748916AFE6FE4A402CFC90@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>,
	<CALGJE97dOFKTrkJtnAc9+HgamEj7SnTiiVY3du4CFnTbX=eR7g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <57E438EA.11425.11856CB2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

vbcrlf doesn't work in the QBE grid.  You have to use Chr$(13) & chr$(10) instead.

On 22 Sep 2016 at 16:02, Paul Hartland via AccessD wrote:

> Brad,
> 
> As John was saying have you tried vbCrLf when building the final
> field, for example in your fields try this;
> 
> Field1 (Short text)   - enter 'Line 1'
> Field2 (Long Text (Plain Text format)) - enter 'Line 2'
> Field3 (Long Text (Rich Text format)) - enter 'Line 3'
> 
> So you end up with three fields, now create a query and select the
> three fields in separate columns and in the fouth column build them
> altogether something like below;
> 
> FinalBuild: Field1 & vbcrlf & Field2 & vbcrlf & Field3
> 
> Which should produce something like below;
> 
> Field1       Field2       Field3      FinalBuild
> Line 1       Line 2       Line 3      Line 1
>                                    Line 2
>                                    Line 3
> 
> Paul
> 
> On 22 September 2016 at 15:49, Brad Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > For testing, I built a small Access application with one table.
> >
> > In this table, I added three fields;
> > Short text
> > Long Text (Plain Text format)
> > Long Text (Rich Text format)
> >
> > I then added this data to each of the three fields in the table
> >
> > Line1 Chr$(13)  Chr$(10) Line2
> >
> > I then built a small report to display these three fields.
> >
> > Here is what I see on the report for each of the three fields -
> >
> > Line1 Chr$(13)  Chr$(10) Line2
> >
> >
> > I was hoping to see this
> >
> > Line1
> > Line2
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Brad
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> > Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 9:21
> > AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <
> > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Embed
> > Line Feeds in a Single Field that Appears on a Report
> >
> > If vbCrLf doesn't work (it only works in VBA, not in queries), use
> > Chr$(13) & Chr$(10) in its place.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 22 Sep 2016 at 14:08, John Bodin wrote:
> >
> > > Brad, if you put in vbCrLf's and Chr(9)'s when building your
> > > Single Field, does the report strip them out?
> > >
> > >
> > > So does "Hello" & vbCrLf & "World" & vbCrLf & "Hello" & chr(9) &
> > > "World" produce
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello
> > >
> > > World
> > >
> > > Hello   World
> > >
> > >
> > > or simply
> > >
> > >
> > > HelloWorldHelowWorld
> > >
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > John Bodin
> > >
> > > sBOR Office Systems
> > >
> > > jbodin at sbor.com<mailto:jbodin at sbor.com>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of
> > > Brad Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com> Sent: Thursday, September
> > > 22, 2016 9:32 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > solving Subject: [AccessD] How to Embed Line Feeds in a Single
> > > Field that Appears on a Report
> > >
> > > All,
> > >
> > > We have a rather complicated Access report (Shop Work Order).
> > > Currently there is a single field near the top of this report that
> > > displays information that is entered manually into our
> > > manufacturing system.  Our users control how this information
> > > appears on the report by entering the info with line breaks and
> > > tabs.
> > >
> > > This single field on the report is set up to "Grow" because the
> > > amount of data can vary widely, from 0 lines up to maybe 20-30
> > > lines.
> > >
> > > We are now changing our processing and the information that was
> > > previously entered manually will now be coming from one or more
> > > "detail" records in the manufacturing database.
> > >
> > > I am planning to combine the data from these detail records into a
> > > single field (in a temporary table) which will be mapped to the
> > > field on the report. So far, this works nicely, except for one
> > > issue.
> > >
> > > I am not sure how to embed "line feeds" and tabs in this one
> > > single field when this field is being constructed from the detail
> > > records.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Brad Marks
> > >
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Sep 22 15:06:58 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 06:06:58 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] How to Embed Line Feeds in a Single Field that
 Appears on a Report
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR05MB3246BB3748916AFE6FE4A402CFC90@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR05MB3246C90601F2F951EACA2A25CFC90@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>,
	<57E3E8B7.2007.104C23CA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<MWHPR05MB3246BB3748916AFE6FE4A402CFC90@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <57E439E2.23200.11893464@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

You can't type the Chr$() directly into the tetxt, if you do, it's still just text.
When entering text manually into a field in a table. press Ctrl+Enter where you want the Line 
feed.  That will actually put a CR and a LF character in the text.



On 22 Sep 2016 at 14:49, Brad Marks wrote:

> For testing, I built a small Access application with one table.
> 
> In this table, I added three fields;
> Short text
> Long Text (Plain Text format)
> Long Text (Rich Text format)
> 
> I then added this data to each of the three fields in the table
> 
> Line1 Chr$(13)  Chr$(10) Line2
> 
> I then built a small report to display these three fields.
> 
> Here is what I see on the report for each of the three fields -
> 
> Line1 Chr$(13)  Chr$(10) Line2
> 
> 
> I was hoping to see this
> 
> Line1
> Line2
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Brad 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 9:21 AM To:
> Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Embed
> Line Feeds in a Single Field that Appears on a Report
> 
> If vbCrLf doesn't work (it only works in VBA, not in queries), use
> Chr$(13) & Chr$(10) in its place.
> 
> 
> 
> On 22 Sep 2016 at 14:08, John Bodin wrote:
> 
> > Brad, if you put in vbCrLf's and Chr(9)'s when building your Single
> > Field, does the report strip them out?
> > 
> > 
> > So does "Hello" & vbCrLf & "World" & vbCrLf & "Hello" & chr(9) &
> > "World" produce
> > 
> > 
> > Hello
> > 
> > World
> > 
> > Hello   World
> > 
> > 
> > or simply
> > 
> > 
> > HelloWorldHelowWorld
> > 
> > 
> > John
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > John Bodin
> > 
> > sBOR Office Systems
> > 
> > jbodin at sbor.com<mailto:jbodin at sbor.com>
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ________________________________
> > From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of
> > Brad Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com> Sent: Thursday, September 22,
> > 2016 9:32 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: [AccessD] How to Embed Line Feeds in a Single Field that
> > Appears on a Report
> > 
> > All,
> > 
> > We have a rather complicated Access report (Shop Work Order). 
> > Currently there is a single field near the top of this report that
> > displays information that is entered manually into our manufacturing
> > system.  Our users control how this information appears on the
> > report by entering the info with line breaks and tabs.
> > 
> > This single field on the report is set up to "Grow" because the
> > amount of data can vary widely, from 0 lines up to maybe 20-30
> > lines.
> > 
> > We are now changing our processing and the information that was
> > previously entered manually will now be coming from one or more
> > "detail" records in the manufacturing database.
> > 
> > I am planning to combine the data from these detail records into a
> > single field (in a temporary table) which will be mapped to the
> > field on the report. So far, this works nicely, except for one
> > issue.
> > 
> > I am not sure how to embed "line feeds" and tabs in this one single
> > field when this field is being constructed from the detail records.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Brad Marks
> > 
> > --
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From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Sep 22 15:20:21 2016
From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 21:20:21 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] How to Embed Line Feeds in a Single Field that
 Appears on a Report
In-Reply-To: <57E439E2.23200.11893464@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <MWHPR05MB3246C90601F2F951EACA2A25CFC90@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>,
	<57E3E8B7.2007.104C23CA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<MWHPR05MB3246BB3748916AFE6FE4A402CFC90@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
	<57E439E2.23200.11893464@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAO8VDlNCBfdEkctCy61lm0HCgAAAEAAAAM0vQ54qI6dDl5wP20JnUnEBAAAAAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>

And you should be aware that some printers do not function well if there are
more linefeeds at the end of the data than will fit onto the printable height of
the paper 
And - of course the font and it's  size has a substantial impact too - unless
you are using a printer that has a set line/font height and on some printers, or
PC OS setups there is also the font substitution to consider

JimB 


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 9:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Embed Line Feeds in a Single Field that Appears on
a Report

You can't type the Chr$() directly into the tetxt, if you do, it's still just
text.
When entering text manually into a field in a table. press Ctrl+Enter where you
want the Line 
feed.  That will actually put a CR and a LF character in the text.



On 22 Sep 2016 at 14:49, Brad Marks wrote:

> For testing, I built a small Access application with one table.
> 
> In this table, I added three fields;
> Short text
> Long Text (Plain Text format)
> Long Text (Rich Text format)
> 
> I then added this data to each of the three fields in the table
> 
> Line1 Chr$(13)  Chr$(10) Line2
> 
> I then built a small report to display these three fields.
> 
> Here is what I see on the report for each of the three fields -
> 
> Line1 Chr$(13)  Chr$(10) Line2
> 
> 
> I was hoping to see this
> 
> Line1
> Line2
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Brad 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 9:21 AM To:
> Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Embed
> Line Feeds in a Single Field that Appears on a Report
> 
> If vbCrLf doesn't work (it only works in VBA, not in queries), use
> Chr$(13) & Chr$(10) in its place.
> 
> 
> 
> On 22 Sep 2016 at 14:08, John Bodin wrote:
> 
> > Brad, if you put in vbCrLf's and Chr(9)'s when building your Single
> > Field, does the report strip them out?
> > 
> > 
> > So does "Hello" & vbCrLf & "World" & vbCrLf & "Hello" & chr(9) &
> > "World" produce
> > 
> > 
> > Hello
> > 
> > World
> > 
> > Hello   World
> > 
> > 
> > or simply
> > 
> > 
> > HelloWorldHelowWorld
> > 
> > 
> > John
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > John Bodin
> > 
> > sBOR Office Systems
> > 
> > jbodin at sbor.com<mailto:jbodin at sbor.com>
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ________________________________
> > From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of
> > Brad Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com> Sent: Thursday, September 22,
> > 2016 9:32 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: [AccessD] How to Embed Line Feeds in a Single Field that
> > Appears on a Report
> > 
> > All,
> > 
> > We have a rather complicated Access report (Shop Work Order). 
> > Currently there is a single field near the top of this report that
> > displays information that is entered manually into our manufacturing
> > system.  Our users control how this information appears on the
> > report by entering the info with line breaks and tabs.
> > 
> > This single field on the report is set up to "Grow" because the
> > amount of data can vary widely, from 0 lines up to maybe 20-30
> > lines.
> > 
> > We are now changing our processing and the information that was
> > previously entered manually will now be coming from one or more
> > "detail" records in the manufacturing database.
> > 
> > I am planning to combine the data from these detail records into a
> > single field (in a temporary table) which will be mapped to the
> > field on the report. So far, this works nicely, except for one
> > issue.
> > 
> > I am not sure how to embed "line feeds" and tabs in this one single
> > field when this field is being constructed from the detail records.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Brad Marks
> > 
> > --
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From ewaldt at gdls.com  Thu Sep 22 15:22:06 2016
From: ewaldt at gdls.com (ewaldt at gdls.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 16:22:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Example of Class Module usage needed
In-Reply-To: <mailman.566.1474574850.12380.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.566.1474574850.12380.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
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I've been automating Access and Excel for years, but never got involved in 
creating class modules (except the ones behind forms and reports, of 
course). I'm now in the process of converting one of my Excel projects 
over to using a class module, and I can see where it's going to be useful 
(very quick, too). In this case, the class basically a more capable, more 
flexible array, with some methods built in. I'm having trouble envisioning 
why they would be needed in Access, though. Obviously they ARE needed, but 
I don't see it. Other than the built in methods, it seems like tables and 
arrays would handle everything. Would anyone like to offer an example of 
how you would use them? 

Thanks in advance for any help (and patience).

Tom Ewald
Mass Properties
General Dynamics Land Systems

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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Thu Sep 22 18:31:54 2016
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 16:31:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Example of Class Module usage needed
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	<OF77B95CD9.EC412EC6-ON85258036.006F32AD-85258036.006FE2F0@gdls.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_sE8FSViOvNU8fkP=3V6PUS1xHQVs-pKM7H--Q98y9Mw@mail.gmail.com>

Classes are swiss army knives in Access.  You can use them for all sorts of
things, not just to represent something like a table.  For example a
Customer class might return the customer name information, all the
associated addresses from the Address table, Order history for that
customer, etc.  In a simple Access databases, there isn't much point, but
where relational information is structured properly, they can be a quick
and direct way of returning requested information from multiple tables or
accepting input and writing it to the appropriate table.

One of my favorite uses is to declare a clsForm and pass it the form object
it should work on.  That will allow binding the open form to an instance of
clsForm and putting uniform behavior or procedures you want available in
all forms in the class.

Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 1:22 PM, <ewaldt at gdls.com> wrote:

> I've been automating Access and Excel for years, but never got involved in
> creating class modules (except the ones behind forms and reports, of
> course). I'm now in the process of converting one of my Excel projects
> over to using a class module, and I can see where it's going to be useful
> (very quick, too). In this case, the class basically a more capable, more
> flexible array, with some methods built in. I'm having trouble envisioning
> why they would be needed in Access, though. Obviously they ARE needed, but
> I don't see it. Other than the built in methods, it seems like tables and
> arrays would handle everything. Would anyone like to offer an example of
> how you would use them?
>
> Thanks in advance for any help (and patience).
>
> Tom Ewald
> Mass Properties
> General Dynamics Land Systems
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Sep 22 16:32:02 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 07:32:02 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Example of Class Module usage needed
In-Reply-To: <OF77B95CD9.EC412EC6-ON85258036.006F32AD-85258036.006FE2F0@gdls.com>
References: <mailman.566.1474574850.12380.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>,
	<OF77B95CD9.EC412EC6-ON85258036.006F32AD-85258036.006FE2F0@gdls.com>
Message-ID: <57E44DD2.19012.11D71706@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

John Colby is the Class expert.  Following is the start of a long series of posts he made back 
in early 2009.  If he still has the full series, he may post them.  If not, I've still got them 
archived :)

"A QUICK introduction to classes and events.

CLASSES:

* The Code Behind Forms module in a form is a class module.
* A class is a module, but a module is not a class.
* A class has properties and behaviors that a module does not.
* A class is actually instantiated when a set statement is executed.  In
other words, an INSTANCE of the class is loaded into memory, and stays in
memory until it is specifically unloaded. * Like a module, a class can
contain data (variables) and code.  However the variables in a module can
only contain ONE value at a time. * A class can be loaded into memory as
many times as you want (limited only by the size of your memory) and EACH
INSTANCE of a class can contain its own value in its variables. * All
instances of a class SHARE code, but do not share variables.  In other
words, the code is only loaded into memory one time, but the variables are
loaded once per class instance loaded. * The class (and every object,
including forms and controls) unloads from memory when the last variable
holding a pointer to the object is set to nothing. *A class has two
built-in Events that fire, one as a class instance loads
(Class_Initialize), and the other as the class instance unloads
(Class_Terminate).

Think of a class as a place to store information and code about some thing
in the real world. Perhaps you have a clsPerson.  That class has a bunch
of variables called FirstName, LastName, SSN, ColorHair, ColorEyes,
Gender, Birthdate etc.  Load an INSTANCE of that class and fill in the
data about John Colby, load another instance and fill in the data about
Mary Colby etc.  You might then have a piece of code that takes the
birthdate and calculates the current age from that.  The data and the code
are all stored together in the class.

EVENTS:

Events can be thought of kind of like a radio transmission.  The radio
station transmits a signal, but they have no idea whether anyone is
listening.  In the case of events, this is called "Raising (or sourcing)
and event".

If someone is listening to that radio signal, then the person listening
can do whatever they want with the signal they are receiving.  They can do
nothing at all, they can use it as a signal to launch an attack on an
enemy, they can enjoy music, they can...  The important thing to understand
here is that what the listener does is up to the listener.

In the case of events, receiving the signal is called "sinking" the event.

Notice that the person broadcasting the signal doesn?t know or care
whether anyone is listening, nor do they know or care what the listener
(if they even exist) does with the signal.

When you open a form, the form is constantly raising events.  It raises
OnOpen, OnClose, OnCurrent, BeforeUpdate, AfterUpdate, MouseMove etc etc. 
The events are raised whether or not anyone is listening.  The form
neither knows nor cares whether anyone is listening to (sinking) those
events, it is simply raising these events so that if anyone is listening
to (sinking) the events, they can do whatever they want when the events
fire.

When you place a control on the form, the control raises events under
certain circumstances.  When the control gets the focus it raises an
OnFocus event, when it loses the focus it raises a LostFocus event, it
raises a BeforeUpdate, AfterUpdate etc.  Of course these events depend on
what the user does, in other words they don?t happen unless the user
manipulates the control in the correct manner, enters data for example. 
But notice that while the control always raises the event, it neither
knows nor cares whether anyone is listening, nor does it know or care what
the listener does with the event if anyone is listening (sinking the
event).

This is a critical thing to understand, that the object raising an event
does not know nor care about the listener, nor what the listener does.  
The reason that this is critical is because it allows you to design an
interface between objects which is totally asynchronous or disconnected.
Have you ever built a subform and referenced a control on the parent form?
 Have you ever tried to open that subform by itself?  It complains that it
cannot find the control on the parent.  The subform is has a "connected"
interface to the parent, without the parent it cannot do its thing
correctly.  The event "Raise/Sink" interface eliminates that dependence. 
The object raising the event does not depend on having a receiver of the
event in order to function correctly.  The receiver of events does not
depend on the broadcaster existing in order to function, although of
course it cannot do whatever it would do with the events if they are not
being broadcast.  But each side can be loaded and code can execute without
the other side being loaded, without compile errors etc.

The last thing to know is that regular modules cannot sink events, but a
class can.  A regular module cannot RAISE an event, but a class can. 
Classes are modules, but modules are not classes."





On 22 Sep 2016 at 16:22, ewaldt at gdls.com wrote:

> I've been automating Access and Excel for years, but never got
> involved in creating class modules (except the ones behind forms and
> reports, of course). I'm now in the process of converting one of my
> Excel projects over to using a class module, and I can see where it's
> going to be useful (very quick, too). In this case, the class
> basically a more capable, more flexible array, with some methods built
> in. I'm having trouble envisioning why they would be needed in Access,
> though. Obviously they ARE needed, but I don't see it. Other than the
> built in methods, it seems like tables and arrays would handle
> everything. Would anyone like to offer an example of how you would use
> them? 
> 
> Thanks in advance for any help (and patience).
> 
> Tom Ewald
> Mass Properties
> General Dynamics Land Systems
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> This is an e-mail from General Dynamics Land Systems. It is for the
> intended recipient only and may contain confidential and privileged
> information.  No one else may read, print, store, copy, forward or act
> in reliance on it or its attachments.  If you are not the intended
> recipient, please return this message to the sender and delete the
> message and any attachments from your computer. Your cooperation is
> appreciated. && -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website:
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From carbonnb at gmail.com  Thu Sep 22 18:52:18 2016
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 19:52:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Example of Class Module usage needed
In-Reply-To: <57E44DD2.19012.11D71706@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <mailman.566.1474574850.12380.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<OF77B95CD9.EC412EC6-ON85258036.006F32AD-85258036.006FE2F0@gdls.com>
	<57E44DD2.19012.11D71706@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAAZtbWEW7ZRbCxdAkaeam9i9QZgjZ3ubpOhhhu_VfSMSzaJ52w@mail.gmail.com>

All these lectures are in the AccessD Archive.,
http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2009-February/thread.html#start

They appear to have been posted between Feb 8 & 13, 2009.

Here are the subject lines as per JC himself:

1) [AccessD] Classes and Events
2) [AccessD] CREATE CLASSES AND EVENTS DEMO DATABASE
3) [AccessD] LOAD THE FORM CLASS IN THE FORM
4) [AccessD] Get event sinks working
5) [AccessD] Building a Control Scanner
6) [AccessD] Building a control class
7) [AccessD] MODIFY THE FORM CLASS TO LOAD THE NEW COMBO CLASS.
8) [AccessD] Classes and Events - EVENTS NOT REQUIRED
9) [AccessD] BUILDING A TEXT CONTROL CLASS
10) [AccessD] The classes as they are at this instant - clsTimer
11) [AccessD] The classes as they are at this instant - clsCtlCbo
12) [AccessD] The classes as they are at this instant - clsCtlTxt
13) [AccessD] The classes as they are at this instant - clsFrm
14) [AccessD] The form
15) [AccessD] IMPORT THE FORM
16) [AccessD] SINKING EVENTS IN MULTIPLE PLACES
17) [AccessD] EMERGENCY HALT: was Re: The form for demo event sink in two places
18) [AccessD] Demo sinking events in two places
19) [AccessD] ClsMsg
20) [AccessD] CLSMSG DEMO
21) [AccessD] USING CLSMSGDEMO


On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 5:32 PM, Stuart McLachlan
<stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:
> John Colby is the Class expert.  Following is the start of a long series of posts he made back
> in early 2009.  If he still has the full series, he may post them.  If not, I've still got them
> archived :)


-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a
well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"

From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Thu Sep 22 19:43:06 2016
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 20:43:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Example of Class Module usage needed
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWEW7ZRbCxdAkaeam9i9QZgjZ3ubpOhhhu_VfSMSzaJ52w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.566.1474574850.12380.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<OF77B95CD9.EC412EC6-ON85258036.006F32AD-85258036.006FE2F0@gdls.com>
	<57E44DD2.19012.11D71706@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAAZtbWEW7ZRbCxdAkaeam9i9QZgjZ3ubpOhhhu_VfSMSzaJ52w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAuT=uzwM6N8214O5KCXQKZcwtPDFvV5BZ48Q=1dNVzapQ@mail.gmail.com>

I agree that JC is the expert on  Classes and Access - a true evangelist.
Haven't seen him here lately.
But he has a blog
http://jwcolby.blogspot.ca/

Good luck.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 7:52 PM, Bryan Carbonnell <carbonnb at gmail.com>
wrote:

> All these lectures are in the AccessD Archive.,
> http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2009-February/
> thread.html#start
>
> They appear to have been posted between Feb 8 & 13, 2009.
>
> Here are the subject lines as per JC himself:
>
> 1) [AccessD] Classes and Events
> 2) [AccessD] CREATE CLASSES AND EVENTS DEMO DATABASE
> 3) [AccessD] LOAD THE FORM CLASS IN THE FORM
> 4) [AccessD] Get event sinks working
> 5) [AccessD] Building a Control Scanner
> 6) [AccessD] Building a control class
> 7) [AccessD] MODIFY THE FORM CLASS TO LOAD THE NEW COMBO CLASS.
> 8) [AccessD] Classes and Events - EVENTS NOT REQUIRED
> 9) [AccessD] BUILDING A TEXT CONTROL CLASS
> 10) [AccessD] The classes as they are at this instant - clsTimer
> 11) [AccessD] The classes as they are at this instant - clsCtlCbo
> 12) [AccessD] The classes as they are at this instant - clsCtlTxt
> 13) [AccessD] The classes as they are at this instant - clsFrm
> 14) [AccessD] The form
> 15) [AccessD] IMPORT THE FORM
> 16) [AccessD] SINKING EVENTS IN MULTIPLE PLACES
> 17) [AccessD] EMERGENCY HALT: was Re: The form for demo event sink in two
> places
> 18) [AccessD] Demo sinking events in two places
> 19) [AccessD] ClsMsg
> 20) [AccessD] CLSMSG DEMO
> 21) [AccessD] USING CLSMSGDEMO
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 5:32 PM, Stuart McLachlan
> <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:
> > John Colby is the Class expert.  Following is the start of a long series
> of posts he made back
> > in early 2009.  If he still has the full series, he may post them.  If
> not, I've still got them
> > archived :)
>
>
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a
> well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
> shouting "What a great ride!"
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Sep 22 19:53:07 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 10:53:07 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Example of Class Module usage needed
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWEW7ZRbCxdAkaeam9i9QZgjZ3ubpOhhhu_VfSMSzaJ52w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.566.1474574850.12380.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>,
	<57E44DD2.19012.11D71706@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<CAAZtbWEW7ZRbCxdAkaeam9i9QZgjZ3ubpOhhhu_VfSMSzaJ52w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <57E47CF3.6792.128F2E51@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Great! Thanks for posting the link.


On 22 Sep 2016 at 19:52, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:

> All these lectures are in the AccessD Archive.,
> http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2009-February/thread.htm
> l#start
> 
> They appear to have been posted between Feb 8 & 13, 2009.
> 
> Here are the subject lines as per JC himself:
> 
> 1) [AccessD] Classes and Events
> 2) [AccessD] CREATE CLASSES AND EVENTS DEMO DATABASE
> 3) [AccessD] LOAD THE FORM CLASS IN THE FORM
> 4) [AccessD] Get event sinks working
> 5) [AccessD] Building a Control Scanner
> 6) [AccessD] Building a control class
> 7) [AccessD] MODIFY THE FORM CLASS TO LOAD THE NEW COMBO CLASS.
> 8) [AccessD] Classes and Events - EVENTS NOT REQUIRED
> 9) [AccessD] BUILDING A TEXT CONTROL CLASS
> 10) [AccessD] The classes as they are at this instant - clsTimer
> 11) [AccessD] The classes as they are at this instant - clsCtlCbo 12)
> [AccessD] The classes as they are at this instant - clsCtlTxt 13)
> [AccessD] The classes as they are at this instant - clsFrm 14)
> [AccessD] The form 15) [AccessD] IMPORT THE FORM 16) [AccessD] SINKING
> EVENTS IN MULTIPLE PLACES 17) [AccessD] EMERGENCY HALT: was Re: The
> form for demo event sink in two places 18) [AccessD] Demo sinking
> events in two places 19) [AccessD] ClsMsg 20) [AccessD] CLSMSG DEMO
> 21) [AccessD] USING CLSMSGDEMO
> 
> 
> On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 5:32 PM, Stuart McLachlan
> <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:
> > John Colby is the Class expert.  Following is the start of a long
> > series of posts he made back in early 2009.  If he still has the
> > full series, he may post them.  If not, I've still got them archived
> > :)
> 
> 
> -- 
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a
> well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
> shouting "What a great ride!" -- AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website:
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From jwcolby at gmail.com  Thu Sep 22 22:58:40 2016
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 23:58:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Example of Class Module usage needed
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAuT=uzwM6N8214O5KCXQKZcwtPDFvV5BZ48Q=1dNVzapQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.566.1474574850.12380.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<OF77B95CD9.EC412EC6-ON85258036.006F32AD-85258036.006FE2F0@gdls.com>
	<57E44DD2.19012.11D71706@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAAZtbWEW7ZRbCxdAkaeam9i9QZgjZ3ubpOhhhu_VfSMSzaJ52w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKvidAuT=uzwM6N8214O5KCXQKZcwtPDFvV5BZ48Q=1dNVzapQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0620e7fd-0539-6cd4-f4cc-1b511f2e3e48@gmail.com>

I'm still around.  :)


On 9/22/2016 8:43 PM, jack drawbridge wrote:
> I agree that JC is the expert on  Classes and Access - a true evangelist.
> Haven't seen him here lately.
> But he has a blog
> http://jwcolby.blogspot.ca/
>
> Good luck.
>
> On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 7:52 PM, Bryan Carbonnell <carbonnb at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> All these lectures are in the AccessD Archive.,
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2009-February/
>> thread.html#start
>>
>> They appear to have been posted between Feb 8 & 13, 2009.
>>
>> Here are the subject lines as per JC himself:
>>
>> 1) [AccessD] Classes and Events
>> 2) [AccessD] CREATE CLASSES AND EVENTS DEMO DATABASE
>> 3) [AccessD] LOAD THE FORM CLASS IN THE FORM
>> 4) [AccessD] Get event sinks working
>> 5) [AccessD] Building a Control Scanner
>> 6) [AccessD] Building a control class
>> 7) [AccessD] MODIFY THE FORM CLASS TO LOAD THE NEW COMBO CLASS.
>> 8) [AccessD] Classes and Events - EVENTS NOT REQUIRED
>> 9) [AccessD] BUILDING A TEXT CONTROL CLASS
>> 10) [AccessD] The classes as they are at this instant - clsTimer
>> 11) [AccessD] The classes as they are at this instant - clsCtlCbo
>> 12) [AccessD] The classes as they are at this instant - clsCtlTxt
>> 13) [AccessD] The classes as they are at this instant - clsFrm
>> 14) [AccessD] The form
>> 15) [AccessD] IMPORT THE FORM
>> 16) [AccessD] SINKING EVENTS IN MULTIPLE PLACES
>> 17) [AccessD] EMERGENCY HALT: was Re: The form for demo event sink in two
>> places
>> 18) [AccessD] Demo sinking events in two places
>> 19) [AccessD] ClsMsg
>> 20) [AccessD] CLSMSG DEMO
>> 21) [AccessD] USING CLSMSGDEMO
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 5:32 PM, Stuart McLachlan
>> <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:
>>> John Colby is the Class expert.  Following is the start of a long series
>> of posts he made back
>>> in early 2009.  If he still has the full series, he may post them.  If
>> not, I've still got them
>>> archived :)
>>
>> --
>> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
>> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a
>> well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
>> shouting "What a great ride!"
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>

-- 
John W. Colby


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Sep 23 08:38:05 2016
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 09:38:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Example of Class Module usage needed
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met_sE8FSViOvNU8fkP=3V6PUS1xHQVs-pKM7H--Q98y9Mw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.566.1474574850.12380.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<OF77B95CD9.EC412EC6-ON85258036.006F32AD-85258036.006FE2F0@gdls.com>
	<CAH+Met_sE8FSViOvNU8fkP=3V6PUS1xHQVs-pKM7H--Q98y9Mw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <23050E20F5BA4D6A9759AB37A440E9A9@XPS>

<<Classes are swiss army knives in Access. >>

 I find there are very few that bother to use them.

 More often then not, it's just straight code.   The real power in using
classes is lost in VBA because it does not have full inheritance.  VBA is
object based, bit not object orientated like you have in a fully compliant
OOP language.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 07:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Example of Class Module usage needed

Classes are swiss army knives in Access.  You can use them for all sorts of
things, not just to represent something like a table.  For example a
Customer class might return the customer name information, all the
associated addresses from the Address table, Order history for that
customer, etc.  In a simple Access databases, there isn't much point, but
where relational information is structured properly, they can be a quick
and direct way of returning requested information from multiple tables or
accepting input and writing it to the appropriate table.

One of my favorite uses is to declare a clsForm and pass it the form object
it should work on.  That will allow binding the open form to an instance of
clsForm and putting uniform behavior or procedures you want available in
all forms in the class.

Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 1:22 PM, <ewaldt at gdls.com> wrote:

> I've been automating Access and Excel for years, but never got involved in
> creating class modules (except the ones behind forms and reports, of
> course). I'm now in the process of converting one of my Excel projects
> over to using a class module, and I can see where it's going to be useful
> (very quick, too). In this case, the class basically a more capable, more
> flexible array, with some methods built in. I'm having trouble envisioning
> why they would be needed in Access, though. Obviously they ARE needed, but
> I don't see it. Other than the built in methods, it seems like tables and
> arrays would handle everything. Would anyone like to offer an example of
> how you would use them?
>
> Thanks in advance for any help (and patience).
>
> Tom Ewald
> Mass Properties
> General Dynamics Land Systems
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Sep 23 10:42:30 2016
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 11:42:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know
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I know it's not proper to answer a question with a question, unless a) you
are a detective interrogating a suspect; b) you are a lawyer embroiled in a
trial; or c) some other reason.

My questions are:

1. Does Access still support replication? The reason I ask this is because
many years ago I had enormous success with replication, and here is how I
set it up: each user-workstation had a copy of the FE and a replica of the
BE; synchronization was scheduled for every 15 minutes. The master replica
did a 2-way synchronization every 15 minutes with each local replica. This
eliminated trips to the server to read the BE, with the result that the app
was way faster than it was when I used the traditional Local-FE+Server-BE
model. The down-side was that 15-minute interval. IIRC, Access Replication
Manager wouldn't let me make the interval smaller, so at any given moment,
the local data might be 15 minutes our of synch, but if that event horizon
is acceptable (and also that Replication is still available in Access) then
that's a much better setup than the traditional one.

2. Why would a seasoned developer would choose an MDB or ACCDB back end
when so many actual database servers for free (SQL Express, MySQL, MariaDB,
PostGreSQL, SQLite... the list goes on), all of which totally sidestep the
Access locking issues, and all of which extend the power of the BE way, way
beyond what's available in the standard Access BE: stored procedures,
views, Compiled Table Expressions (CTEs) -- incidentally, these have just
become available in the latest release of MySQL
Let me also plug a firm with which I have no affiliation, called BullZip,
which makes utilities to port Access databases to any of the real server
databases mentioned above. These utilities are all free and ought to be in
your toolbelt; even if you don't have an immediate need for a port to MySQL
or MariaDB, as a learning experience, you might want to install said db
software + the appropriate BullZip utility, port your data, copy your FE
and redirect the copy to point at the new BE, then do a few benchmarks.
I've been then and done that and I have dramatic benchmarks to prove it,
such as a performance comparison with ~80 users hitting the BE
simultaneously -- and that's without converting all the queries to stored
procedures.

BullZip's Access to MySQL <http://www.bullzip.com/products/a2m/info.php>*
BullZip's Access to PostGreSQL
<http://www.bullzip.com/products/a2p/info.php>
BullZip;s Access to MS-SQL <http://www.bullzip.com/products/a2s/info.php>

* Since MariaDB is 100%+ compatible with MySQL, this utility will work with
both DB servers.

Each of these products works splendidly. I have tested all of them, and
ported numerous databases using them.

As mentioned above, a simple port of the data to a real DB server is in
itself a huge gain, but in reality is only a glimmer of what's possible
once you re-think your application.

Before doing a port, I have a couple of recommendations that will affect
your result significantly, The most important is to locate all the
RecordSources and RowSources in your FE that depend upon SELECT statements,
and to convert them all to Access Named Queries. (While easy, this process
may be time-consuming, proportionate to the number of SELECT
statements.) Why do this? Because then they become available, during the
port, for conversion into Views; from there, you can convert the
appropriate Views into Stored Procedures.

The easiest ways to locate all the statements that demand conversion are
Rick Fisher's *Find And Replace,* and *SpeedFerret*, both excellent Access
add-ins.

When developing database apps, I always plan for success. In practice, that
means that I anticipate significant growth in both the sales and the number
of users of the app. The only alternative, as I see it, is to plan for
subsistence, or for failure, neither of which is acceptable (it might be to
the client of interest, but it most certainly is not to me -- I want
results on the Bottom Line before I feel satisfied. I've worked for a bunch
of non-profits, in which the Bottom Line is a rather elastic measure, but
still calculable; for instance, I did an app called Volunteer Manager,
whose success is not measured in dollars but the increase in volunteers.

One last thought: the port from an Access BE to a genuine server DB
facilitates the move to web/mobile apps, and that is a rapidly-increasing,
even dominant market segment. So Access developers have to be planning an
Exit Strategy, since it is quite clear that MS has little or no interest in
providing one. But one step at a time: first, get the data out of Access
and into a serious DB server; second, look at the various alternatives for
delivering equivalent + enhanced apps for web/mobile deployment.

Just my perspective.

Arthur
?

From bensonforums at gmail.com  Fri Sep 23 10:52:03 2016
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 11:52:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Example of Class Module usage needed
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Do you agree that a module is not a class? Isn't it a class (member) of
type vbComponent?
On Sep 22, 2016 7:40 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:

> John Colby is the Class expert.  Following is the start of a long series
> of posts he made back
> in early 2009.  If he still has the full series, he may post them.  If
> not, I've still got them
> archived :)
>
> "A QUICK introduction to classes and events.
>
> CLASSES:
>
> * The Code Behind Forms module in a form is a class module.
> * A class is a module, but a module is not a class.
> * A class has properties and behaviors that a module does not.
> * A class is actually instantiated when a set statement is executed.  In
> other words, an INSTANCE of the class is loaded into memory, and stays in
> memory until it is specifically unloaded. * Like a module, a class can
> contain data (variables) and code.  However the variables in a module can
> only contain ONE value at a time. * A class can be loaded into memory as
> many times as you want (limited only by the size of your memory) and EACH
> INSTANCE of a class can contain its own value in its variables. * All
> instances of a class SHARE code, but do not share variables.  In other
> words, the code is only loaded into memory one time, but the variables are
> loaded once per class instance loaded. * The class (and every object,
> including forms and controls) unloads from memory when the last variable
> holding a pointer to the object is set to nothing. *A class has two
> built-in Events that fire, one as a class instance loads
> (Class_Initialize), and the other as the class instance unloads
> (Class_Terminate).
>
> Think of a class as a place to store information and code about some thing
> in the real world. Perhaps you have a clsPerson.  That class has a bunch
> of variables called FirstName, LastName, SSN, ColorHair, ColorEyes,
> Gender, Birthdate etc.  Load an INSTANCE of that class and fill in the
> data about John Colby, load another instance and fill in the data about
> Mary Colby etc.  You might then have a piece of code that takes the
> birthdate and calculates the current age from that.  The data and the code
> are all stored together in the class.
>
> EVENTS:
>
> Events can be thought of kind of like a radio transmission.  The radio
> station transmits a signal, but they have no idea whether anyone is
> listening.  In the case of events, this is called "Raising (or sourcing)
> and event".
>
> If someone is listening to that radio signal, then the person listening
> can do whatever they want with the signal they are receiving.  They can do
> nothing at all, they can use it as a signal to launch an attack on an
> enemy, they can enjoy music, they can...  The important thing to understand
> here is that what the listener does is up to the listener.
>
> In the case of events, receiving the signal is called "sinking" the event.
>
> Notice that the person broadcasting the signal doesn?t know or care
> whether anyone is listening, nor do they know or care what the listener
> (if they even exist) does with the signal.
>
> When you open a form, the form is constantly raising events.  It raises
> OnOpen, OnClose, OnCurrent, BeforeUpdate, AfterUpdate, MouseMove etc etc.
> The events are raised whether or not anyone is listening.  The form
> neither knows nor cares whether anyone is listening to (sinking) those
> events, it is simply raising these events so that if anyone is listening
> to (sinking) the events, they can do whatever they want when the events
> fire.
>
> When you place a control on the form, the control raises events under
> certain circumstances.  When the control gets the focus it raises an
> OnFocus event, when it loses the focus it raises a LostFocus event, it
> raises a BeforeUpdate, AfterUpdate etc.  Of course these events depend on
> what the user does, in other words they don?t happen unless the user
> manipulates the control in the correct manner, enters data for example.
> But notice that while the control always raises the event, it neither
> knows nor cares whether anyone is listening, nor does it know or care what
> the listener does with the event if anyone is listening (sinking the
> event).
>
> This is a critical thing to understand, that the object raising an event
> does not know nor care about the listener, nor what the listener does.
> The reason that this is critical is because it allows you to design an
> interface between objects which is totally asynchronous or disconnected.
> Have you ever built a subform and referenced a control on the parent form?
>  Have you ever tried to open that subform by itself?  It complains that it
> cannot find the control on the parent.  The subform is has a "connected"
> interface to the parent, without the parent it cannot do its thing
> correctly.  The event "Raise/Sink" interface eliminates that dependence.
> The object raising the event does not depend on having a receiver of the
> event in order to function correctly.  The receiver of events does not
> depend on the broadcaster existing in order to function, although of
> course it cannot do whatever it would do with the events if they are not
> being broadcast.  But each side can be loaded and code can execute without
> the other side being loaded, without compile errors etc.
>
> The last thing to know is that regular modules cannot sink events, but a
> class can.  A regular module cannot RAISE an event, but a class can.
> Classes are modules, but modules are not classes."
>
>
>
>
>
> On 22 Sep 2016 at 16:22, ewaldt at gdls.com wrote:
>
> > I've been automating Access and Excel for years, but never got
> > involved in creating class modules (except the ones behind forms and
> > reports, of course). I'm now in the process of converting one of my
> > Excel projects over to using a class module, and I can see where it's
> > going to be useful (very quick, too). In this case, the class
> > basically a more capable, more flexible array, with some methods built
> > in. I'm having trouble envisioning why they would be needed in Access,
> > though. Obviously they ARE needed, but I don't see it. Other than the
> > built in methods, it seems like tables and arrays would handle
> > everything. Would anyone like to offer an example of how you would use
> > them?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any help (and patience).
> >
> > Tom Ewald
> > Mass Properties
> > General Dynamics Land Systems
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > This is an e-mail from General Dynamics Land Systems. It is for the
> > intended recipient only and may contain confidential and privileged
> > information.  No one else may read, print, store, copy, forward or act
> > in reliance on it or its attachments.  If you are not the intended
> > recipient, please return this message to the sender and delete the
> > message and any attachments from your computer. Your cooperation is
> > appreciated. && -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> >
>
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Sep 23 11:50:07 2016
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 09:50:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know
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Arthur,

Most, if not all of the databases I work on are too small to need a "real
server".   And the bulk of them are user-built, not developer designed.
Like you, I build databases that could be ported to a server fairly easily,
but I don't assume they're going to go there.  I'm under contract to a
state department that has thousands of databases littering the landscape.
While some of them are headed towards a shared SQL back end, most aren't.
Would I prefer to work with a server back end?  Sure, but that decision
often rests with the IT department Server people, not with the developer.

Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 8:42 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I know it's not proper to answer a question with a question, unless a) you
> are a detective interrogating a suspect; b) you are a lawyer embroiled in a
> trial; or c) some other reason.
>
> My questions are:
>
> 1. Does Access still support replication? The reason I ask this is because
> many years ago I had enormous success with replication, and here is how I
> set it up: each user-workstation had a copy of the FE and a replica of the
> BE; synchronization was scheduled for every 15 minutes. The master replica
> did a 2-way synchronization every 15 minutes with each local replica. This
> eliminated trips to the server to read the BE, with the result that the app
> was way faster than it was when I used the traditional Local-FE+Server-BE
> model. The down-side was that 15-minute interval. IIRC, Access Replication
> Manager wouldn't let me make the interval smaller, so at any given moment,
> the local data might be 15 minutes our of synch, but if that event horizon
> is acceptable (and also that Replication is still available in Access) then
> that's a much better setup than the traditional one.
>
> 2. Why would a seasoned developer would choose an MDB or ACCDB back end
> when so many actual database servers for free (SQL Express, MySQL, MariaDB,
> PostGreSQL, SQLite... the list goes on), all of which totally sidestep the
> Access locking issues, and all of which extend the power of the BE way, way
> beyond what's available in the standard Access BE: stored procedures,
> views, Compiled Table Expressions (CTEs) -- incidentally, these have just
> become available in the latest release of MySQL
> Let me also plug a firm with which I have no affiliation, called BullZip,
> which makes utilities to port Access databases to any of the real server
> databases mentioned above. These utilities are all free and ought to be in
> your toolbelt; even if you don't have an immediate need for a port to MySQL
> or MariaDB, as a learning experience, you might want to install said db
> software + the appropriate BullZip utility, port your data, copy your FE
> and redirect the copy to point at the new BE, then do a few benchmarks.
> I've been then and done that and I have dramatic benchmarks to prove it,
> such as a performance comparison with ~80 users hitting the BE
> simultaneously -- and that's without converting all the queries to stored
> procedures.
>
> BullZip's Access to MySQL <http://www.bullzip.com/products/a2m/info.php>*
> BullZip's Access to PostGreSQL
> <http://www.bullzip.com/products/a2p/info.php>
> BullZip;s Access to MS-SQL <http://www.bullzip.com/products/a2s/info.php>
>
> * Since MariaDB is 100%+ compatible with MySQL, this utility will work with
> both DB servers.
>
> Each of these products works splendidly. I have tested all of them, and
> ported numerous databases using them.
>
> As mentioned above, a simple port of the data to a real DB server is in
> itself a huge gain, but in reality is only a glimmer of what's possible
> once you re-think your application.
>
> Before doing a port, I have a couple of recommendations that will affect
> your result significantly, The most important is to locate all the
> RecordSources and RowSources in your FE that depend upon SELECT statements,
> and to convert them all to Access Named Queries. (While easy, this process
> may be time-consuming, proportionate to the number of SELECT
> statements.) Why do this? Because then they become available, during the
> port, for conversion into Views; from there, you can convert the
> appropriate Views into Stored Procedures.
>
> The easiest ways to locate all the statements that demand conversion are
> Rick Fisher's *Find And Replace,* and *SpeedFerret*, both excellent Access
> add-ins.
>
> When developing database apps, I always plan for success. In practice, that
> means that I anticipate significant growth in both the sales and the number
> of users of the app. The only alternative, as I see it, is to plan for
> subsistence, or for failure, neither of which is acceptable (it might be to
> the client of interest, but it most certainly is not to me -- I want
> results on the Bottom Line before I feel satisfied. I've worked for a bunch
> of non-profits, in which the Bottom Line is a rather elastic measure, but
> still calculable; for instance, I did an app called Volunteer Manager,
> whose success is not measured in dollars but the increase in volunteers.
>
> One last thought: the port from an Access BE to a genuine server DB
> facilitates the move to web/mobile apps, and that is a rapidly-increasing,
> even dominant market segment. So Access developers have to be planning an
> Exit Strategy, since it is quite clear that MS has little or no interest in
> providing one. But one step at a time: first, get the data out of Access
> and into a serious DB server; second, look at the various alternatives for
> delivering equivalent + enhanced apps for web/mobile deployment.
>
> Just my perspective.
>
> Arthur
> ?
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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Fri Sep 23 12:03:16 2016
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 13:03:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know
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Thanks Arthur, always good info.

On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 11:42 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I know it's not proper to answer a question with a question, unless a) you
> are a detective interrogating a suspect; b) you are a lawyer embroiled in a
> trial; or c) some other reason.
>
> My questions are:
>
> 1. Does Access still support replication? The reason I ask this is because
> many years ago I had enormous success with replication, and here is how I
> set it up: each user-workstation had a copy of the FE and a replica of the
> BE; synchronization was scheduled for every 15 minutes. The master replica
> did a 2-way synchronization every 15 minutes with each local replica. This
> eliminated trips to the server to read the BE, with the result that the app
> was way faster than it was when I used the traditional Local-FE+Server-BE
> model. The down-side was that 15-minute interval. IIRC, Access Replication
> Manager wouldn't let me make the interval smaller, so at any given moment,
> the local data might be 15 minutes our of synch, but if that event horizon
> is acceptable (and also that Replication is still available in Access) then
> that's a much better setup than the traditional one.
>
> 2. Why would a seasoned developer would choose an MDB or ACCDB back end
> when so many actual database servers for free (SQL Express, MySQL, MariaDB,
> PostGreSQL, SQLite... the list goes on), all of which totally sidestep the
> Access locking issues, and all of which extend the power of the BE way, way
> beyond what's available in the standard Access BE: stored procedures,
> views, Compiled Table Expressions (CTEs) -- incidentally, these have just
> become available in the latest release of MySQL
> Let me also plug a firm with which I have no affiliation, called BullZip,
> which makes utilities to port Access databases to any of the real server
> databases mentioned above. These utilities are all free and ought to be in
> your toolbelt; even if you don't have an immediate need for a port to MySQL
> or MariaDB, as a learning experience, you might want to install said db
> software + the appropriate BullZip utility, port your data, copy your FE
> and redirect the copy to point at the new BE, then do a few benchmarks.
> I've been then and done that and I have dramatic benchmarks to prove it,
> such as a performance comparison with ~80 users hitting the BE
> simultaneously -- and that's without converting all the queries to stored
> procedures.
>
> BullZip's Access to MySQL <http://www.bullzip.com/products/a2m/info.php>*
> BullZip's Access to PostGreSQL
> <http://www.bullzip.com/products/a2p/info.php>
> BullZip;s Access to MS-SQL <http://www.bullzip.com/products/a2s/info.php>
>
> * Since MariaDB is 100%+ compatible with MySQL, this utility will work with
> both DB servers.
>
> Each of these products works splendidly. I have tested all of them, and
> ported numerous databases using them.
>
> As mentioned above, a simple port of the data to a real DB server is in
> itself a huge gain, but in reality is only a glimmer of what's possible
> once you re-think your application.
>
> Before doing a port, I have a couple of recommendations that will affect
> your result significantly, The most important is to locate all the
> RecordSources and RowSources in your FE that depend upon SELECT statements,
> and to convert them all to Access Named Queries. (While easy, this process
> may be time-consuming, proportionate to the number of SELECT
> statements.) Why do this? Because then they become available, during the
> port, for conversion into Views; from there, you can convert the
> appropriate Views into Stored Procedures.
>
> The easiest ways to locate all the statements that demand conversion are
> Rick Fisher's *Find And Replace,* and *SpeedFerret*, both excellent Access
> add-ins.
>
> When developing database apps, I always plan for success. In practice, that
> means that I anticipate significant growth in both the sales and the number
> of users of the app. The only alternative, as I see it, is to plan for
> subsistence, or for failure, neither of which is acceptable (it might be to
> the client of interest, but it most certainly is not to me -- I want
> results on the Bottom Line before I feel satisfied. I've worked for a bunch
> of non-profits, in which the Bottom Line is a rather elastic measure, but
> still calculable; for instance, I did an app called Volunteer Manager,
> whose success is not measured in dollars but the increase in volunteers.
>
> One last thought: the port from an Access BE to a genuine server DB
> facilitates the move to web/mobile apps, and that is a rapidly-increasing,
> even dominant market segment. So Access developers have to be planning an
> Exit Strategy, since it is quite clear that MS has little or no interest in
> providing one. But one step at a time: first, get the data out of Access
> and into a serious DB server; second, look at the various alternatives for
> delivering equivalent + enhanced apps for web/mobile deployment.
>
> Just my perspective.
>
> Arthur
> ?
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Sep 23 13:39:18 2016
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 14:39:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jd=BS6SH8Aum=McTr7roWZ3Vb55Vv6B_c6X6yF0S1Hkg@mail.gmail.com>
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<<
1. Does Access still support replication?
>>

 Starting with A2013, no.  A2010 was the last "full feature" version of
Access.  Replication was dropped along with ADP's.

<<
2. Why would a seasoned developer would choose an MDB or ACCDB back end
when so many actual database servers for free (SQL Express, MySQL, MariaDB,
PostGreSQL, SQLite... the list goes on),
>>

 A seasoned developer probably would not.

 Only thing I could think of is if someone wanted to take advantage of
something in ACE which is not in any other DB (say the attachment data
type), which is being driven by a customer requirement.

 The other reasons might be data type incompatibility (i.e. the fun you can
have with floating point and bit fields), and last but not least, just ease
of use.   Even today, there is still a niche (now very small though) where a
ACE DB BE might make sense.  Someone with no real IT staff, small databases,
and small number of users.

 But more often that not, some other BE is the way to go as you say.

<<
One last thought: the port from an Access BE to a genuine server DB
facilitates the move to web/mobile apps, and that is a rapidly-increasing,
even dominant market segment. So Access developers have to be planning an
Exit Strategy, since it is quite clear that MS has little or no interest in
providing one. 
>>

 I can't say much on that front other than to say pay attention to what is
being asked for on Access user voice:

https://access.uservoice.com


 You'll find that what most are looking for is improvements in the desktop
and I think Microsoft is listening to that.  While some people are looking
for a web product, most seem to want enhancements in the desktop product.

 Web apps are certainly gaining ground, in many businesses it's still a more
traditional approach to applications for back office work.

Jim.




From bensonforums at gmail.com  Fri Sep 23 13:54:38 2016
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 14:54:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know
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Why would it matter that the front end is opened exclusively? It's the
backend that matters, right? Don't you give all users their own front end?
(I do). I don't have a front end sitting in a shared folder that everyone
accesses (no pun intended, but I like it).
On Sep 22, 2016 3:04 PM, "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>  <<If I understand correctly, you are saying that there are settings with
> the DB for this? I wouldn't think she'd have done anything differently, but
> this would make sense.>>
>
>   Access settings (with a DB open, it's under File, Options, Client
> Settings, Default Open Mode).   If one user has their settings defaulted to
> "exclusive", then even if the privs are right, only that person will have
> access to the DB if their the first in, and if not the first in, they won't
> be able to open it.
>
>   Like wise if they have a shortcut with the /excl switch (rare - but I've
> seen setups for admins where they have a shortcut on the desktop with this,
> and then use it out of habit).
>
>  Everyone should have this setting as "Shared", and have full privs for the
> FE/BE directories and then you shouldn't have any problems.
>
> Jim.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> John Clark
> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 01:59 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know
>
>
> "If more than one can't open it, then that's Access settings (Shared or
> exclusive) or privs on the directory."
> Bingo...this is the issue. And I never really saw it as an "issue"
> really...just the way it is. If we needed multiple users I suggested
> splitting the DB, and if a user was a single access user it didn't matter.
>
> This is an amateur user and she just wanted to know why one single DB did
> this for her. And I was really unable to give her a concrete answer, so I'm
> looking to fill that gap in my knowledge.
>
> If I understand correctly, you are saying that there are settings with the
> DB for this? I wouldn't think she'd have done anything differently, but
> this
> would make sense.
>
>
>
>
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Sep 23 14:11:04 2016
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 15:11:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know
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	<57E3AD4A0200006B00011D92@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
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 On the FE it doesn't matter, unless it is shared as you said, which some
do.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Bill Benson
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 02:55 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know

Why would it matter that the front end is opened exclusively? It's the
backend that matters, right? Don't you give all users their own front end?
(I do). I don't have a front end sitting in a shared folder that everyone
accesses (no pun intended, but I like it).
On Sep 22, 2016 3:04 PM, "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>  <<If I understand correctly, you are saying that there are settings with
> the DB for this? I wouldn't think she'd have done anything differently,
but
> this would make sense.>>
>
>   Access settings (with a DB open, it's under File, Options, Client
> Settings, Default Open Mode).   If one user has their settings defaulted
to
> "exclusive", then even if the privs are right, only that person will have
> access to the DB if their the first in, and if not the first in, they
won't
> be able to open it.
>
>   Like wise if they have a shortcut with the /excl switch (rare - but I've
> seen setups for admins where they have a shortcut on the desktop with
this,
> and then use it out of habit).
>
>  Everyone should have this setting as "Shared", and have full privs for
the
> FE/BE directories and then you shouldn't have any problems.
>
> Jim.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> John Clark
> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 01:59 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know
>
>
> "If more than one can't open it, then that's Access settings (Shared or
> exclusive) or privs on the directory."
> Bingo...this is the issue. And I never really saw it as an "issue"
> really...just the way it is. If we needed multiple users I suggested
> splitting the DB, and if a user was a single access user it didn't matter.
>
> This is an amateur user and she just wanted to know why one single DB did
> this for her. And I was really unable to give her a concrete answer, so
I'm
> looking to fill that gap in my knowledge.
>
> If I understand correctly, you are saying that there are settings with the
> DB for this? I wouldn't think she'd have done anything differently, but
> this
> would make sense.
>
>
>
>
> Notice: This electronic transmission is intended for the sole use of the
> individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain
confidential,
> privileged or otherwise legally protected information. If you are not the
> intended recipient, or if you believe you are not the intended recipient,
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> the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this information,
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> strictly prohibited. Niagara County is not responsible for the content of
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Fri Sep 23 14:18:29 2016
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 12:18:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know
In-Reply-To: <4CD740BF672F462FAAD027CE24E23D01@XPS>
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Jim, I think you meant to say:
 A2010 was the last good version of Access.

Actually:
 A2003 was the last good version of Access.  ;)

I miss ADPs.


On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net>
wrote:

> <<
> 1. Does Access still support replication?
> >>
>
>  Starting with A2013, no.  A2010 was the last "full feature" version of
> Access.  Replication was dropped along with ADP's.
>
> <<
> 2. Why would a seasoned developer would choose an MDB or ACCDB back end
> when so many actual database servers for free (SQL Express, MySQL, MariaDB,
> PostGreSQL, SQLite... the list goes on),
> >>
>
>  A seasoned developer probably would not.
>
>  Only thing I could think of is if someone wanted to take advantage of
> something in ACE which is not in any other DB (say the attachment data
> type), which is being driven by a customer requirement.
>
>  The other reasons might be data type incompatibility (i.e. the fun you can
> have with floating point and bit fields), and last but not least, just ease
> of use.   Even today, there is still a niche (now very small though) where
> a
> ACE DB BE might make sense.  Someone with no real IT staff, small
> databases,
> and small number of users.
>
>  But more often that not, some other BE is the way to go as you say.
>
> <<
> One last thought: the port from an Access BE to a genuine server DB
> facilitates the move to web/mobile apps, and that is a rapidly-increasing,
> even dominant market segment. So Access developers have to be planning an
> Exit Strategy, since it is quite clear that MS has little or no interest in
> providing one.
> >>
>
>  I can't say much on that front other than to say pay attention to what is
> being asked for on Access user voice:
>
> https://access.uservoice.com
>
>
>  You'll find that what most are looking for is improvements in the desktop
> and I think Microsoft is listening to that.  While some people are looking
> for a web product, most seem to want enhancements in the desktop product.
>
>  Web apps are certainly gaining ground, in many businesses it's still a
> more
> traditional approach to applications for back office work.
>
> Jim.
>
>
>
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From bradm at blackforestltd.com  Fri Sep 23 14:22:36 2016
From: bradm at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 19:22:36 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] How to Embed Line Feeds in a Single Field that
 Appears on a Report
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	<57E3E8B7.2007.104C23CA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<MWHPR05MB3246BB3748916AFE6FE4A402CFC90@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
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All,

A big "Thanks!" to everyone who help me with this.

With your assistance, I now have the changes to this key report almost complete.

Brad 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 3:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Embed Line Feeds in a Single Field that Appears on a Report

And you should be aware that some printers do not function well if there are more linefeeds at the end of the data than will fit onto the printable height of the paper And - of course the font and it's  size has a substantial impact too - unless you are using a printer that has a set line/font height and on some printers, or PC OS setups there is also the font substitution to consider

JimB 


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 9:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Embed Line Feeds in a Single Field that Appears on a Report

You can't type the Chr$() directly into the tetxt, if you do, it's still just text.
When entering text manually into a field in a table. press Ctrl+Enter where you want the Line feed.  That will actually put a CR and a LF character in the text.



On 22 Sep 2016 at 14:49, Brad Marks wrote:

> For testing, I built a small Access application with one table.
> 
> In this table, I added three fields;
> Short text
> Long Text (Plain Text format)
> Long Text (Rich Text format)
> 
> I then added this data to each of the three fields in the table
> 
> Line1 Chr$(13)  Chr$(10) Line2
> 
> I then built a small report to display these three fields.
> 
> Here is what I see on the report for each of the three fields -
> 
> Line1 Chr$(13)  Chr$(10) Line2
> 
> 
> I was hoping to see this
> 
> Line1
> Line2
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Brad 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 9:21 AM To:
> Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Embed
> Line Feeds in a Single Field that Appears on a Report
> 
> If vbCrLf doesn't work (it only works in VBA, not in queries), use
> Chr$(13) & Chr$(10) in its place.
> 
> 
> 
> On 22 Sep 2016 at 14:08, John Bodin wrote:
> 
> > Brad, if you put in vbCrLf's and Chr(9)'s when building your Single
> > Field, does the report strip them out?
> > 
> > 
> > So does "Hello" & vbCrLf & "World" & vbCrLf & "Hello" & chr(9) &
> > "World" produce
> > 
> > 
> > Hello
> > 
> > World
> > 
> > Hello   World
> > 
> > 
> > or simply
> > 
> > 
> > HelloWorldHelowWorld
> > 
> > 
> > John
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > John Bodin
> > 
> > sBOR Office Systems
> > 
> > jbodin at sbor.com<mailto:jbodin at sbor.com>
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ________________________________
> > From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of
> > Brad Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com> Sent: Thursday, September 22,
> > 2016 9:32 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: [AccessD] How to Embed Line Feeds in a Single Field that
> > Appears on a Report
> > 
> > All,
> > 
> > We have a rather complicated Access report (Shop Work Order). 
> > Currently there is a single field near the top of this report that
> > displays information that is entered manually into our manufacturing
> > system.  Our users control how this information appears on the
> > report by entering the info with line breaks and tabs.
> > 
> > This single field on the report is set up to "Grow" because the
> > amount of data can vary widely, from 0 lines up to maybe 20-30
> > lines.
> > 
> > We are now changing our processing and the information that was
> > previously entered manually will now be coming from one or more
> > "detail" records in the manufacturing database.
> > 
> > I am planning to combine the data from these detail records into a
> > single field (in a temporary table) which will be mapped to the
> > field on the report. So far, this works nicely, except for one
> > issue.
> > 
> > I am not sure how to embed "line feeds" and tabs in this one single
> > field when this field is being constructed from the detail records.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Brad Marks
> > 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Sep 23 15:53:37 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 14:53:37 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] History
In-Reply-To: <FEDD4D1C-AFD2-4F23-B60D-774D4B6AEDD6@zyterra.com>
Message-ID: <933707366.90168842.1474664017383.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

I have not worked with MS Access for almost ten years but a client decided to upgrade their old website that runs on Server2003, IIS6, ASP classic and uses Access MBD as the database. You don't have to say it; "What are you doing working with that old crap?" 

No good deed ever goes unpunished and the owner is so desperate that he is even offering money. I have said to just abandon that site and do a complete re-write but he's not offering that much and now that he has retired his wife would go ballistic if he even suggested a re-write. His site originally cost him somewhere around 20 to 30K.

To that end I have run up a virtual drive running Server2003, with IIS6 and now am trying to get the old site running on this test server. The Access MDB database is working fine...

When running the follow piece of code: 
Set UploadProgress = Server.CreateObject("Persits.UploadProgress")

...which results in the error:

Server object error 'ASP 0177 : 800401f3'
Server.CreateObject Failed  

To the best of my knowledge the website needs a DLL from Persits:

http://www.aspupload.com/object_progress.html

Does anyone have the appropriate DLL so it can be registered on the test server? 
regsvr32 c: \ downloads \ WhatEvertheNameoftheUploadDriver.dll

MTIA

Jim

From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Sep 23 16:00:27 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 15:00:27 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know
In-Reply-To: <FEDD4D1C-AFD2-4F23-B60D-774D4B6AEDD6@zyterra.com>
Message-ID: <444508003.90174100.1474664427100.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Just a WAG. 

You are the only one with read-write-create-file access to the MDB directory. A lock-file is created when a user with create-file capabilities accesses the database. As none of the users, other than yourself, have such create rights to the DB directory, no one, other than yourself, can create the lock file. 

I would suspect as soon as the other users will be given create rights to the directory everything should work fine.

HTH
Jim

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From: "Zyterra" <delam at zyterra.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 7:27:46 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know

I had a database many years ago. It was in a directory that I had read write access to, but other users only had read access. If I opened the database first, there would be a network lock file created and everyone could get in the database without any issues. If one of the read only users got in first, then only they could use the database unless they completely logged out and I opened it. 

Hope this is close enough to give a clue on this situation.  

Debbie

I cannot be perfect, but I can choose to be better than I was yesterday. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 22, 2016, at 9:07 AM, John Clark <John.Clark at niagaracounty.com> wrote:
> 
> I was asked a basic question today that I was a little embarrassed I did not know. I just never really needed to know because of how I develop things, but this was an end-user that uses Access and ran into a problem.
> 
> As you all know (I think), the proper way to create a multi-user Access DB is to split it into a back-end DB with all the tables and such in a common spot, and then give each user or workstation a copy of the front-end with forms/queries/reports to run locally. She has created several small databases that she shares and has had no issues...except for one...and she wants to know why.
> 
> I know it has to do with the lock file, and I have wondered why sometimes this works and other times it does not, but it was never really something I NEEDED to know, because my way doesn't present this issue. And I understand that her DBs are so small...in data and usage...that splitting them is sometimes more trouble than it is worth for her. 
> 
> So, can someone please educate me on the lock files and what I am missing...please?!
> 
> As it stands I am guessing that has something to do with location of the file...perhaps user rights to that location, or maybe as simple as how/where the lock file is being placed...?
> 
> Thanks ahead of time!
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Sep 23 17:46:41 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 16:46:41 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Overview of the election
In-Reply-To: <933707366.90168842.1474664017383.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <1230340671.90265207.1474670801222.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37423550

Jim

From carbonnb at gmail.com  Fri Sep 23 17:59:46 2016
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 18:59:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Overview of the election
In-Reply-To: <1230340671.90265207.1474670801222.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <933707366.90168842.1474664017383.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
	<1230340671.90265207.1474670801222.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <CAAZtbWH4axdtVn78H1j5WdvoFtzO1RA5AVQ27qJK4qass=Ldyw@mail.gmail.com>

Do not reply to this on AccessD. Take it over to DBA-OT.

B

On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 6:46 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37423550
>
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well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Sep 23 18:02:30 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 09:02:30 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Example of Class Module usage needed
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_0AMu2Z2ZPYTXGjymxG7hhzH4DmK_-PPg67gNHr7myB4Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.566.1474574850.12380.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>,
	<57E44DD2.19012.11D71706@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<CAJLzs_0AMu2Z2ZPYTXGjymxG7hhzH4DmK_-PPg67gNHr7myB4Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <57E5B486.598.175045EF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

> Do you agree that a module is not a class? 

Short answer, Yes.

Long answer:

JC and I had many discussions about modules, objects, classes, events and Access back in 
the day :)

Suffice it to say that he oversimplified things in his statement.

Modules are just convenient compilable blocks of code.  A Class is closer to a Function that it 
is to a  Module.

Classes are definitions of Objects.
An object is a pre-defined set of data (variables), neatly packaged with a group of 
subroutines (code) which manipulate the data and provide any other functionality you need.
When your application instructs the compiler to create an object, it uses the definitions found 
in the class to do so. It allocates memory for the variables, establishes pointers to the 
subroutines, and makes this new object available to your program.


In other programming environments,  you can intersperse
CLASS...END CLASS  blocks with
FUNCTION...END FUNCTION blocks of code. 

Not so in Access. You can have multiple functions in a single module.

But because of the way the compiler works, each class must be defined in a single separate 
module and it must be designated as a class module 

There is actually a lot of additional code involved in a class definition which the Access 
compiler puts in such as INHERITS and INTERFACE code.  That's why Access classes are 
so limited.  Real OOP allows the developer to define the code for these essential Object 
components.

Bottom line a Class is defined in a Class Module.
Other code is defined in a standard Module.

 

-- 
Stuart


On 23 Sep 2016 at 11:52, Bill Benson wrote:

> Do you agree that a module is not a class? Isn't it a class (member)
> of type vbComponent? On Sep 22, 2016 7:40 PM, "Stuart McLachlan"
> <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:
> 
> > John Colby is the Class expert.  Following is the start of a long
> > series of posts he made back in early 2009.  If he still has the
> > full series, he may post them.  If not, I've still got them archived
> > :)
> >
> > "A QUICK introduction to classes and events.
> >
> > CLASSES:
> >
> > * The Code Behind Forms module in a form is a class module.
> > * A class is a module, but a module is not a class.
> > * A class has properties and behaviors that a module does not.
> > * A class is actually instantiated when a set statement is executed.
> >  In other words, an INSTANCE of the class is loaded into memory, and
> > stays in memory until it is specifically unloaded. * Like a module,
> > a class can contain data (variables) and code.  However the
> > variables in a module can only contain ONE value at a time. * A
> > class can be loaded into memory as many times as you want (limited
> > only by the size of your memory) and EACH INSTANCE of a class can
> > contain its own value in its variables. * All instances of a class
> > SHARE code, but do not share variables.  In other words, the code is
> > only loaded into memory one time, but the variables are loaded once
> > per class instance loaded. * The class (and every object, including
> > forms and controls) unloads from memory when the last variable
> > holding a pointer to the object is set to nothing. *A class has two
> > built-in Events that fire, one as a class instance loads
> > (Class_Initialize), and the other as the class instance unloads
> > (Class_Terminate).
> >
> > Think of a class as a place to store information and code about some
> > thing in the real world. Perhaps you have a clsPerson.  That class
> > has a bunch of variables called FirstName, LastName, SSN, ColorHair,
> > ColorEyes, Gender, Birthdate etc.  Load an INSTANCE of that class
> > and fill in the data about John Colby, load another instance and
> > fill in the data about Mary Colby etc.  You might then have a piece
> > of code that takes the birthdate and calculates the current age from
> > that.  The data and the code are all stored together in the class.
> >
> > EVENTS:
> >
> > Events can be thought of kind of like a radio transmission.  The
> > radio station transmits a signal, but they have no idea whether
> > anyone is listening.  In the case of events, this is called "Raising
> > (or sourcing) and event".
> >
> > If someone is listening to that radio signal, then the person
> > listening can do whatever they want with the signal they are
> > receiving.  They can do nothing at all, they can use it as a signal
> > to launch an attack on an enemy, they can enjoy music, they can... 
> > The important thing to understand here is that what the listener
> > does is up to the listener.
> >
> > In the case of events, receiving the signal is called "sinking" the
> > event.
> >
> > Notice that the person broadcasting the signal doesn?t know or care
> > whether anyone is listening, nor do they know or care what the
> > listener (if they even exist) does with the signal.
> >
> > When you open a form, the form is constantly raising events.  It
> > raises OnOpen, OnClose, OnCurrent, BeforeUpdate, AfterUpdate,
> > MouseMove etc etc. The events are raised whether or not anyone is
> > listening.  The form neither knows nor cares whether anyone is
> > listening to (sinking) those events, it is simply raising these
> > events so that if anyone is listening to (sinking) the events, they
> > can do whatever they want when the events fire.
> >
> > When you place a control on the form, the control raises events
> > under certain circumstances.  When the control gets the focus it
> > raises an OnFocus event, when it loses the focus it raises a
> > LostFocus event, it raises a BeforeUpdate, AfterUpdate etc.  Of
> > course these events depend on what the user does, in other words
> > they don?t happen unless the user manipulates the control in the
> > correct manner, enters data for example. But notice that while the
> > control always raises the event, it neither knows nor cares whether
> > anyone is listening, nor does it know or care what the listener does
> > with the event if anyone is listening (sinking the event).
> >
> > This is a critical thing to understand, that the object raising an
> > event does not know nor care about the listener, nor what the
> > listener does. The reason that this is critical is because it allows
> > you to design an interface between objects which is totally
> > asynchronous or disconnected. Have you ever built a subform and
> > referenced a control on the parent form?
> >  Have you ever tried to open that subform by itself?  It complains
> >  that it
> > cannot find the control on the parent.  The subform is has a
> > "connected" interface to the parent, without the parent it cannot do
> > its thing correctly.  The event "Raise/Sink" interface eliminates
> > that dependence. The object raising the event does not depend on
> > having a receiver of the event in order to function correctly.  The
> > receiver of events does not depend on the broadcaster existing in
> > order to function, although of course it cannot do whatever it would
> > do with the events if they are not being broadcast.  But each side
> > can be loaded and code can execute without the other side being
> > loaded, without compile errors etc.
> >
> > The last thing to know is that regular modules cannot sink events,
> > but a class can.  A regular module cannot RAISE an event, but a
> > class can. Classes are modules, but modules are not classes."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 22 Sep 2016 at 16:22, ewaldt at gdls.com wrote:
> >
> > > I've been automating Access and Excel for years, but never got
> > > involved in creating class modules (except the ones behind forms
> > > and reports, of course). I'm now in the process of converting one
> > > of my Excel projects over to using a class module, and I can see
> > > where it's going to be useful (very quick, too). In this case, the
> > > class basically a more capable, more flexible array, with some
> > > methods built in. I'm having trouble envisioning why they would be
> > > needed in Access, though. Obviously they ARE needed, but I don't
> > > see it. Other than the built in methods, it seems like tables and
> > > arrays would handle everything. Would anyone like to offer an
> > > example of how you would use them?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance for any help (and patience).
> > >
> > > Tom Ewald
> > > Mass Properties
> > > General Dynamics Land Systems
> > >
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Sep 23 18:05:53 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 09:05:53 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] History
In-Reply-To: <933707366.90168842.1474664017383.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <FEDD4D1C-AFD2-4F23-B60D-774D4B6AEDD6@zyterra.com>,
	<933707366.90168842.1474664017383.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <57E5B551.17306.17535F49@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

For the test server, can you use the free 30 day trial version?

http://www.aspupload.com/download.html

On 23 Sep 2016 at 14:53, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> I have not worked with MS Access for almost ten years but a client
> decided to upgrade their old website that runs on Server2003, IIS6,
> ASP classic and uses Access MBD as the database. You don't have to say
> it; "What are you doing working with that old crap?" 
> 
> No good deed ever goes unpunished and the owner is so desperate that
> he is even offering money. I have said to just abandon that site and
> do a complete re-write but he's not offering that much and now that he
> has retired his wife would go ballistic if he even suggested a
> re-write. His site originally cost him somewhere around 20 to 30K.
> 
> To that end I have run up a virtual drive running Server2003, with
> IIS6 and now am trying to get the old site running on this test
> server. The Access MDB database is working fine...
> 
> When running the follow piece of code: 
> Set UploadProgress = Server.CreateObject("Persits.UploadProgress")
> 
> ...which results in the error:
> 
> Server object error 'ASP 0177 : 800401f3'
> Server.CreateObject Failed  
> 
> To the best of my knowledge the website needs a DLL from Persits:
> 
> http://www.aspupload.com/object_progress.html
> 
> Does anyone have the appropriate DLL so it can be registered on the
> test server? regsvr32 c: \ downloads \
> WhatEvertheNameoftheUploadDriver.dll
> 
> MTIA
> 
> Jim
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Sep 23 18:06:23 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 09:06:23 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Overview of the election
In-Reply-To: <1230340671.90265207.1474670801222.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <933707366.90168842.1474664017383.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>,
	<1230340671.90265207.1474670801222.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <57E5B56F.21390.1753D18B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Should have gone to OT?



On 23 Sep 2016 at 16:46, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37423550
> 
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Fri Sep 23 20:22:26 2016
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 21:22:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Example of Class Module usage needed
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_3VSfyztbGdU144Uha0VgQHLFqGKHoxHDAht2Hp1x9J7g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.566.1474574850.12380.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<57E44DD2.19012.11D71706@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAJLzs_0AMu2Z2ZPYTXGjymxG7hhzH4DmK_-PPg67gNHr7myB4Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<57E5B486.598.175045EF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAJLzs_3VSfyztbGdU144Uha0VgQHLFqGKHoxHDAht2Hp1x9J7g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_3k2HcsXm1e_NFdpAnc13j1QWkmaQSbT+7jqOiUJ-PLVQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Sep 23, 2016 9:18 PM, "Bill Benson" <bensonforums at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thank you Stuart for the explanation. I am hardly even a layman when it
comes to real understanding of OOP.
>
> On Sep 23, 2016 7:03 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
wrote:
>>
>> > Do you agree that a module is not a class?
>>
>> Short answer, Yes.
>>
>> Long answer:
>>
>> JC and I had many discussions about modules, objects, classes, events
and Access back in
>> the day :)
>>
>>

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Sep 23 21:15:45 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 12:15:45 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Example of Class Module usage needed
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_3k2HcsXm1e_NFdpAnc13j1QWkmaQSbT+7jqOiUJ-PLVQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.566.1474574850.12380.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>,
	<CAJLzs_3VSfyztbGdU144Uha0VgQHLFqGKHoxHDAht2Hp1x9J7g@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAJLzs_3k2HcsXm1e_NFdpAnc13j1QWkmaQSbT+7jqOiUJ-PLVQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <57E5E1D1.27687.180131D7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

A  good, simple primer:

http://www.codeproject.com/Tips/679615/OOP-Explained-in-Seconds


On 23 Sep 2016 at 21:22, Bill Benson wrote:

> On Sep 23, 2016 9:18 PM, "Bill Benson" <bensonforums at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Thank you Stuart for the explanation. I am hardly even a layman
> when it comes to real understanding of OOP. > > On Sep 23, 2016 7:03
> PM, "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote: >> >> > Do you
> agree that a module is not a class? >> >> Short answer, Yes. >> >>
> Long answer: >> >> JC and I had many discussions about modules,
> objects, classes, events and Access back in >> the day :) >> >> --
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Sep 24 03:35:01 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 08:35:01 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jd=BS6SH8Aum=McTr7roWZ3Vb55Vv6B_c6X6yF0S1Hkg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <58f56102-a12c-c6ba-188d-60734c27662f@gmail.com>
	<100512585.79125530.1473561041881.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
	<CAAZtbWGCK7GnJGnSqQM=U70EfYYfOVn4SRv_oj8ZWCoij9OzxA@mail.gmail.com>
	<57E3AD4A0200006B00011D92@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
	<5F2A2D5E5E7B489A8FA0E366BD268F26@XPS>
	<57E3C0860200006B00011DA3@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
	<8328E08019E3462BB288758C00CF384F@XPS>
	<57E3E3A60200006B00011DC9@neblnx09.niagaracounty.com>
	<651D2FC040234E1BB035E3A1913B1A55@XPS>,
	<CAEPJO1jd=BS6SH8Aum=McTr7roWZ3Vb55Vv6B_c6X6yF0S1Hkg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DB6PR0601MB21982F6EE35079E97B943268CACB0@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Arthur

I can't add much to the comments already posted, except for one thing: SQLite is certainly not an alternative for an accdb or any other decent database as SQLite is severely limited regarding data types. In fact, I think why so many use it, is only because they just don't know better.

/gustav
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Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
Sendt: 23. september 2016 17:42:30
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know

I know it's not proper to answer a question with a question, unless a) you
are a detective interrogating a suspect; b) you are a lawyer embroiled in a
trial; or c) some other reason.

My questions are:

1. Does Access still support replication? The reason I ask this is because
many years ago I had enormous success with replication, and here is how I
set it up: each user-workstation had a copy of the FE and a replica of the
BE; synchronization was scheduled for every 15 minutes. The master replica
did a 2-way synchronization every 15 minutes with each local replica. This
eliminated trips to the server to read the BE, with the result that the app
was way faster than it was when I used the traditional Local-FE+Server-BE
model. The down-side was that 15-minute interval. IIRC, Access Replication
Manager wouldn't let me make the interval smaller, so at any given moment,
the local data might be 15 minutes our of synch, but if that event horizon
is acceptable (and also that Replication is still available in Access) then
that's a much better setup than the traditional one.

2. Why would a seasoned developer would choose an MDB or ACCDB back end
when so many actual database servers for free (SQL Express, MySQL, MariaDB,
PostGreSQL, SQLite... the list goes on), all of which totally sidestep the
Access locking issues, and all of which extend the power of the BE way, way
beyond what's available in the standard Access BE: stored procedures,
views, Compiled Table Expressions (CTEs) -- incidentally, these have just
become available in the latest release of MySQL
Let me also plug a firm with which I have no affiliation, called BullZip,
which makes utilities to port Access databases to any of the real server
databases mentioned above. These utilities are all free and ought to be in
your toolbelt; even if you don't have an immediate need for a port to MySQL
or MariaDB, as a learning experience, you might want to install said db
software + the appropriate BullZip utility, port your data, copy your FE
and redirect the copy to point at the new BE, then do a few benchmarks.
I've been then and done that and I have dramatic benchmarks to prove it,
such as a performance comparison with ~80 users hitting the BE
simultaneously -- and that's without converting all the queries to stored
procedures.

BullZip's Access to MySQL <http://www.bullzip.com/products/a2m/info.php>*
BullZip's Access to PostGreSQL
<http://www.bullzip.com/products/a2p/info.php>
BullZip;s Access to MS-SQL <http://www.bullzip.com/products/a2s/info.php>

* Since MariaDB is 100%+ compatible with MySQL, this utility will work with
both DB servers.

Each of these products works splendidly. I have tested all of them, and
ported numerous databases using them.

As mentioned above, a simple port of the data to a real DB server is in
itself a huge gain, but in reality is only a glimmer of what's possible
once you re-think your application.

Before doing a port, I have a couple of recommendations that will affect
your result significantly, The most important is to locate all the
RecordSources and RowSources in your FE that depend upon SELECT statements,
and to convert them all to Access Named Queries. (While easy, this process
may be time-consuming, proportionate to the number of SELECT
statements.) Why do this? Because then they become available, during the
port, for conversion into Views; from there, you can convert the
appropriate Views into Stored Procedures.

The easiest ways to locate all the statements that demand conversion are
Rick Fisher's *Find And Replace,* and *SpeedFerret*, both excellent Access
add-ins.

When developing database apps, I always plan for success. In practice, that
means that I anticipate significant growth in both the sales and the number
of users of the app. The only alternative, as I see it, is to plan for
subsistence, or for failure, neither of which is acceptable (it might be to
the client of interest, but it most certainly is not to me -- I want
results on the Bottom Line before I feel satisfied. I've worked for a bunch
of non-profits, in which the Bottom Line is a rather elastic measure, but
still calculable; for instance, I did an app called Volunteer Manager,
whose success is not measured in dollars but the increase in volunteers.

One last thought: the port from an Access BE to a genuine server DB
facilitates the move to web/mobile apps, and that is a rapidly-increasing,
even dominant market segment. So Access developers have to be planning an
Exit Strategy, since it is quite clear that MS has little or no interest in
providing one. But one step at a time: first, get the data out of Access
and into a serious DB server; second, look at the various alternatives for
delivering equivalent + enhanced apps for web/mobile deployment.

Just my perspective.

Arthur

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Sep 24 06:38:11 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 21:38:11 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know
In-Reply-To: <DB6PR0601MB21982F6EE35079E97B943268CACB0@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <58f56102-a12c-c6ba-188d-60734c27662f@gmail.com>,
	<CAEPJO1jd=BS6SH8Aum=McTr7roWZ3Vb55Vv6B_c6X6yF0S1Hkg@mail.gmail.com>,
	<DB6PR0601MB21982F6EE35079E97B943268CACB0@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <57E665A3.22556.1A041DC5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I agree it's not a good alternative for multi user systems, but SQLite is an excellent solution 
for  single user applications.  There are reasons why it is so ubiquitous.

It's free.  :)

The same database file is usable on many platforms including Windows, Linux,Android and 
iOS.

It's fast, lightweight and versatile.

For Windows, it's just one native 500KB DLL and no dependencies. 

While it doesn't have a huge range of dataypes, there's not much that you can't do with a 8 
bytes integers and floats (twice the size that Access offers) and  a default maximum size for 
text  of 1 billion characters (try indexinga field of  more than 255 characters in Access), and 
the same size of BLOBs.  There are plenty of built in functions for Date manipulation that 
make the use of a dedicated Date/Time datatypes unnecessary  including UnixTime (which is 
a real PITA to handle in Access).

You're right that many (including me) use it because we "don't know any better".  That's 
because in its niche, there is no better.

:)

 

On 24 Sep 2016 at 8:35, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi Arthur
> 
> I can't add much to the comments already posted, except for one thing:
> SQLite is certainly not an alternative for an accdb or any other
> decent database as SQLite is severely limited regarding data types. In
> fact, I think why so many use it, is only because they just don't know
> better.
> 


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Sep 24 06:43:13 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 21:43:13 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know
In-Reply-To: <57E665A3.22556.1A041DC5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <58f56102-a12c-c6ba-188d-60734c27662f@gmail.com>,
	<DB6PR0601MB21982F6EE35079E97B943268CACB0@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<57E665A3.22556.1A041DC5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <57E666D1.31030.1A08B8EB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Oh yes, I forgot to mention triggers and in-memory databases  :)


On 24 Sep 2016 at 21:38, Stuart McLachlan wrote:

> I agree it's not a good alternative for multi user systems, but SQLite
> is an excellent solution for  single user applications.  There are
> reasons why it is so ubiquitous.
> 
> It's free.  :)
> 
> The same database file is usable on many platforms including Windows,
> Linux,Android and iOS.
> 
> It's fast, lightweight and versatile.
> 
> For Windows, it's just one native 500KB DLL and no dependencies. 
> 
> While it doesn't have a huge range of dataypes, there's not much that
> you can't do with a 8 bytes integers and floats (twice the size that
> Access offers) and  a default maximum size for text  of 1 billion
> characters (try indexinga field of  more than 255 characters in
> Access), and the same size of BLOBs.  There are plenty of built in
> functions for Date manipulation that make the use of a dedicated
> Date/Time datatypes unnecessary  including UnixTime (which is a real
> PITA to handle in Access).
> 
> You're right that many (including me) use it because we "don't know
> any better".  That's because in its niche, there is no better.
> 
> :)
> 
> 
> 
> On 24 Sep 2016 at 8:35, Gustav Brock wrote:
> 
> > Hi Arthur
> > 
> > I can't add much to the comments already posted, except for one
> > thing: SQLite is certainly not an alternative for an accdb or any
> > other decent database as SQLite is severely limited regarding data
> > types. In fact, I think why so many use it, is only because they
> > just don't know better.
> > 
> 
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> 



From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Sep 24 08:54:15 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 13:54:15 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know
In-Reply-To: <57E665A3.22556.1A041DC5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
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	<CAEPJO1jd=BS6SH8Aum=McTr7roWZ3Vb55Vv6B_c6X6yF0S1Hkg@mail.gmail.com>,
	<DB6PR0601MB21982F6EE35079E97B943268CACB0@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<57E665A3.22556.1A041DC5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
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Hi Stuart

I see your points. And I can see, browsing the documentation, that SQLite certainly has its niche.

What struck me was, that Arthur wrote:

> SQL Express, MySQL, MariaDB, PostGreSQL, SQLite... the list goes on

and I didn't see SQLite fit in here. It has its own category.

Thank you for the clarification.

/gustav


________________________________________
Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
Sendt: 24. september 2016 13:38:11
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know

I agree it's not a good alternative for multi user systems, but SQLite is an excellent solution
for  single user applications.  There are reasons why it is so ubiquitous.

It's free.  :)

The same database file is usable on many platforms including Windows, Linux,Android and
iOS.

It's fast, lightweight and versatile.

For Windows, it's just one native 500KB DLL and no dependencies.

While it doesn't have a huge range of dataypes, there's not much that you can't do with a 8
bytes integers and floats (twice the size that Access offers) and  a default maximum size for
text  of 1 billion characters (try indexinga field of  more than 255 characters in Access), and
the same size of BLOBs.  There are plenty of built in functions for Date manipulation that
make the use of a dedicated Date/Time datatypes unnecessary  including UnixTime (which is
a real PITA to handle in Access).

You're right that many (including me) use it because we "don't know any better".  That's
because in its niche, there is no better.

:)



On 24 Sep 2016 at 8:35, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi Arthur
>
> I can't add much to the comments already posted, except for one thing:
> SQLite is certainly not an alternative for an accdb or any other
> decent database as SQLite is severely limited regarding data types. In
> fact, I think why so many use it, is only because they just don't know
> better.

From jimdettman at verizon.net  Sat Sep 24 09:23:46 2016
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 10:23:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know
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David,

 Not sure if you consider A2010 "good" or not, but A2010 was the last
version that had support for ADP's, replication, .DBF's, and JET 3.x.
Here's the list of everything that was dropped starting with A2013:

https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Discontinued-features-and-modified-
functionality-in-Access-2013-BC006FC3-5B48-499E-8C7D-9A2DFEF68E2F

 and FWIW, A2010 is pretty solid on the desktop side as long as you moving
forward.  Most of the issues with it were related to folks using 2010 and
then trying to drop back to 2007.

Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
David McAfee
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 03:18 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know

Jim, I think you meant to say:
 A2010 was the last good version of Access.

Actually:
 A2003 was the last good version of Access.  ;)

I miss ADPs.


On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net>
wrote:

> <<
> 1. Does Access still support replication?
> >>
>
>  Starting with A2013, no.  A2010 was the last "full feature" version of
> Access.  Replication was dropped along with ADP's.
>
> <<
> 2. Why would a seasoned developer would choose an MDB or ACCDB back end
> when so many actual database servers for free (SQL Express, MySQL,
MariaDB,
> PostGreSQL, SQLite... the list goes on),
> >>
>
>  A seasoned developer probably would not.
>
>  Only thing I could think of is if someone wanted to take advantage of
> something in ACE which is not in any other DB (say the attachment data
> type), which is being driven by a customer requirement.
>
>  The other reasons might be data type incompatibility (i.e. the fun you
can
> have with floating point and bit fields), and last but not least, just
ease
> of use.   Even today, there is still a niche (now very small though) where
> a
> ACE DB BE might make sense.  Someone with no real IT staff, small
> databases,
> and small number of users.
>
>  But more often that not, some other BE is the way to go as you say.
>
> <<
> One last thought: the port from an Access BE to a genuine server DB
> facilitates the move to web/mobile apps, and that is a rapidly-increasing,
> even dominant market segment. So Access developers have to be planning an
> Exit Strategy, since it is quite clear that MS has little or no interest
in
> providing one.
> >>
>
>  I can't say much on that front other than to say pay attention to what is
> being asked for on Access user voice:
>
> https://access.uservoice.com
>
>
>  You'll find that what most are looking for is improvements in the desktop
> and I think Microsoft is listening to that.  While some people are looking
> for a web product, most seem to want enhancements in the desktop product.
>
>  Web apps are certainly gaining ground, in many businesses it's still a
> more
> traditional approach to applications for back office work.
>
> Jim.
>
>
>
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Sat Sep 24 10:20:55 2016
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 11:20:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2003 was the last good version of Access
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Really ? For me, it was 2010.
Once I discovered the intricacies of split-forms....My entire approach to
Access dev changed.
No more list boxes....and all of that VBA to support them.
And my clients love the split forms....for the filtering and the sorting
features.
I created an entire framework to support the naming and persistence of
split-form filters and sorts.
How cool is that ?
Of course it was not easy because of all of the quirks created by our
"friends" at MSFT.


> Jim, I think you meant to say:
>  A2010 was the last good version of Access.
>
> Actually:
>  A2003 was the last good version of Access.  ;)



From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Sat Sep 24 10:54:21 2016
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 11:54:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2003 was the last good version of Access
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Mark,

Any info and examples re your split form framework would be appreciated.

jack

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 11:20 AM, Mark Simms <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> Really ? For me, it was 2010.
> Once I discovered the intricacies of split-forms....My entire approach to
> Access dev changed.
> No more list boxes....and all of that VBA to support them.
> And my clients love the split forms....for the filtering and the sorting
> features.
> I created an entire framework to support the naming and persistence of
> split-form filters and sorts.
> How cool is that ?
> Of course it was not easy because of all of the quirks created by our
> "friends" at MSFT.
>
>
> > Jim, I think you meant to say:
> >  A2010 was the last good version of Access.
> >
> > Actually:
> >  A2003 was the last good version of Access.  ;)
>
>
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From bradm at blackforestltd.com  Sat Sep 24 11:40:30 2016
From: bradm at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 16:40:30 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] A2003 was the last good version of Access
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Mark,


I am interested in the Split Form also.


What is the primary purpose?


I have an Access application that uses a small form that pops up on the right side of a key company report.  Our users can control the info shown on the report by using the Radio Buttons and Text Boxes on the form.  Is the use of the Split Form along these lines?


Brad

________________________________
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of jack drawbridge <jackandpat.d at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 10:54:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2003 was the last good version of Access

Mark,

Any info and examples re your split form framework would be appreciated.

jack

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 11:20 AM, Mark Simms <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> Really ? For me, it was 2010.
> Once I discovered the intricacies of split-forms....My entire approach to
> Access dev changed.
> No more list boxes....and all of that VBA to support them.
> And my clients love the split forms....for the filtering and the sorting
> features.
> I created an entire framework to support the naming and persistence of
> split-form filters and sorts.
> How cool is that ?
> Of course it was not easy because of all of the quirks created by our
> "friends" at MSFT.
>
>
> > Jim, I think you meant to say:
> >  A2010 was the last good version of Access.
> >
> > Actually:
> >  A2003 was the last good version of Access.  ;)
>
>
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Sat Sep 24 14:09:30 2016
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 15:09:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know
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RE: " using 2010 and
then trying to drop back to 2007."

Who in their right mind does that??!

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net>
wrote:

> David,
>
>  Not sure if you consider A2010 "good" or not, but A2010 was the last
> version that had support for ADP's, replication, .DBF's, and JET 3.x.
> Here's the list of everything that was dropped starting with A2013:
>
> https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Discontinued-
> features-and-modified-
> functionality-in-Access-2013-BC006FC3-5B48-499E-8C7D-9A2DFEF68E2F
>
>  and FWIW, A2010 is pretty solid on the desktop side as long as you moving
> forward.  Most of the issues with it were related to folks using 2010 and
> then trying to drop back to 2007.
>
> Jim.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> David McAfee
> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 03:18 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know
>
> Jim, I think you meant to say:
>  A2010 was the last good version of Access.
>
> Actually:
>  A2003 was the last good version of Access.  ;)
>
> I miss ADPs.
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> > <<
> > 1. Does Access still support replication?
> > >>
> >
> >  Starting with A2013, no.  A2010 was the last "full feature" version of
> > Access.  Replication was dropped along with ADP's.
> >
> > <<
> > 2. Why would a seasoned developer would choose an MDB or ACCDB back end
> > when so many actual database servers for free (SQL Express, MySQL,
> MariaDB,
> > PostGreSQL, SQLite... the list goes on),
> > >>
> >
> >  A seasoned developer probably would not.
> >
> >  Only thing I could think of is if someone wanted to take advantage of
> > something in ACE which is not in any other DB (say the attachment data
> > type), which is being driven by a customer requirement.
> >
> >  The other reasons might be data type incompatibility (i.e. the fun you
> can
> > have with floating point and bit fields), and last but not least, just
> ease
> > of use.   Even today, there is still a niche (now very small though)
> where
> > a
> > ACE DB BE might make sense.  Someone with no real IT staff, small
> > databases,
> > and small number of users.
> >
> >  But more often that not, some other BE is the way to go as you say.
> >
> > <<
> > One last thought: the port from an Access BE to a genuine server DB
> > facilitates the move to web/mobile apps, and that is a
> rapidly-increasing,
> > even dominant market segment. So Access developers have to be planning an
> > Exit Strategy, since it is quite clear that MS has little or no interest
> in
> > providing one.
> > >>
> >
> >  I can't say much on that front other than to say pay attention to what
> is
> > being asked for on Access user voice:
> >
> > https://access.uservoice.com
> >
> >
> >  You'll find that what most are looking for is improvements in the
> desktop
> > and I think Microsoft is listening to that.  While some people are
> looking
> > for a web product, most seem to want enhancements in the desktop product.
> >
> >  Web apps are certainly gaining ground, in many businesses it's still a
> > more
> > traditional approach to applications for back office work.
> >
> > Jim.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Sep 24 15:47:41 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 06:47:41 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know
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Me  (don't know about the right mind!) :(

Developed in 2010 for one organisation and then when we deployed it  I discovered that 
some people still only had Office 2007 installed :-(

We ended up rolling out the 2010 runtime on thos work stations - they didn't want the 
expense of upgrading all of their office installations - "2007 is working fine!".

:-)



On 24 Sep 2016 at 15:09, Bill Benson wrote:

> RE: " using 2010 and
> then trying to drop back to 2007."
> 
> Who in their right mind does that??!
> 
> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net>
> wrote:
> 
> > David,
> >
> >  Not sure if you consider A2010 "good" or not, but A2010 was the
> >  last
> > version that had support for ADP's, replication, .DBF's, and JET
> > 3.x. Here's the list of everything that was dropped starting with
> > A2013:
> >
> > https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Discontinued-
> > features-and-modified-
> > functionality-in-Access-2013-BC006FC3-5B48-499E-8C7D-9A2DFEF68E2F
> >
> >  and FWIW, A2010 is pretty solid on the desktop side as long as you
> >  moving
> > forward.  Most of the issues with it were related to folks using
> > 2010 and then trying to drop back to 2007.
> >
> > Jim.
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> > Behalf Of David McAfee Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 03:18 PM To:
> > Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re:
> > [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know
> >
> > Jim, I think you meant to say:
> >  A2010 was the last good version of Access.
> >
> > Actually:
> >  A2003 was the last good version of Access.  ;)
> >
> > I miss ADPs.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Jim Dettman
> > <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> > > <<
> > > 1. Does Access still support replication?
> > > >>
> > >
> > >  Starting with A2013, no.  A2010 was the last "full feature"
> > >  version of
> > > Access.  Replication was dropped along with ADP's.
> > >
> > > <<
> > > 2. Why would a seasoned developer would choose an MDB or ACCDB
> > > back end when so many actual database servers for free (SQL
> > > Express, MySQL,
> > MariaDB,
> > > PostGreSQL, SQLite... the list goes on),
> > > >>
> > >
> > >  A seasoned developer probably would not.
> > >
> > >  Only thing I could think of is if someone wanted to take
> > >  advantage of
> > > something in ACE which is not in any other DB (say the attachment
> > > data type), which is being driven by a customer requirement.
> > >
> > >  The other reasons might be data type incompatibility (i.e. the
> > >  fun you
> > can
> > > have with floating point and bit fields), and last but not least,
> > > just
> > ease
> > > of use.   Even today, there is still a niche (now very small
> > > though)
> > where
> > > a
> > > ACE DB BE might make sense.  Someone with no real IT staff, small
> > > databases, and small number of users.
> > >
> > >  But more often that not, some other BE is the way to go as you
> > >  say.
> > >
> > > <<
> > > One last thought: the port from an Access BE to a genuine server
> > > DB facilitates the move to web/mobile apps, and that is a
> > rapidly-increasing,
> > > even dominant market segment. So Access developers have to be
> > > planning an Exit Strategy, since it is quite clear that MS has
> > > little or no interest
> > in
> > > providing one.
> > > >>
> > >
> > >  I can't say much on that front other than to say pay attention to
> > >  what
> > is
> > > being asked for on Access user voice:
> > >
> > > https://access.uservoice.com
> > >
> > >
> > >  You'll find that what most are looking for is improvements in the
> > desktop
> > > and I think Microsoft is listening to that.  While some people are
> > looking
> > > for a web product, most seem to want enhancements in the desktop
> > > product.
> > >
> > >  Web apps are certainly gaining ground, in many businesses it's
> > >  still a
> > > more
> > > traditional approach to applications for back office work.
> > >
> > > Jim.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
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> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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> >
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sat Sep 24 19:59:44 2016
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 20:59:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Example of Class Module usage needed
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Holy cannoli man, I wrote that?  :)


On 9/23/2016 11:52 AM, Bill Benson wrote:
> Do you agree that a module is not a class? Isn't it a class (member) of
> type vbComponent?
> On Sep 22, 2016 7:40 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:
>
>> John Colby is the Class expert.  Following is the start of a long series
>> of posts he made back
>> in early 2009.  If he still has the full series, he may post them.  If
>> not, I've still got them
>> archived :)
>>
>> "A QUICK introduction to classes and events.
>>
>> CLASSES:
>>
>> * The Code Behind Forms module in a form is a class module.
>> * A class is a module, but a module is not a class.
>> * A class has properties and behaviors that a module does not.
>> * A class is actually instantiated when a set statement is executed.  In
>> other words, an INSTANCE of the class is loaded into memory, and stays in
>> memory until it is specifically unloaded. * Like a module, a class can
>> contain data (variables) and code.  However the variables in a module can
>> only contain ONE value at a time. * A class can be loaded into memory as
>> many times as you want (limited only by the size of your memory) and EACH
>> INSTANCE of a class can contain its own value in its variables. * All
>> instances of a class SHARE code, but do not share variables.  In other
>> words, the code is only loaded into memory one time, but the variables are
>> loaded once per class instance loaded. * The class (and every object,
>> including forms and controls) unloads from memory when the last variable
>> holding a pointer to the object is set to nothing. *A class has two
>> built-in Events that fire, one as a class instance loads
>> (Class_Initialize), and the other as the class instance unloads
>> (Class_Terminate).
>>
>> Think of a class as a place to store information and code about some thing
>> in the real world. Perhaps you have a clsPerson.  That class has a bunch
>> of variables called FirstName, LastName, SSN, ColorHair, ColorEyes,
>> Gender, Birthdate etc.  Load an INSTANCE of that class and fill in the
>> data about John Colby, load another instance and fill in the data about
>> Mary Colby etc.  You might then have a piece of code that takes the
>> birthdate and calculates the current age from that.  The data and the code
>> are all stored together in the class.
>>
>> EVENTS:
>>
>> Events can be thought of kind of like a radio transmission.  The radio
>> station transmits a signal, but they have no idea whether anyone is
>> listening.  In the case of events, this is called "Raising (or sourcing)
>> and event".
>>
>> If someone is listening to that radio signal, then the person listening
>> can do whatever they want with the signal they are receiving.  They can do
>> nothing at all, they can use it as a signal to launch an attack on an
>> enemy, they can enjoy music, they can...  The important thing to understand
>> here is that what the listener does is up to the listener.
>>
>> In the case of events, receiving the signal is called "sinking" the event.
>>
>> Notice that the person broadcasting the signal doesn?t know or care
>> whether anyone is listening, nor do they know or care what the listener
>> (if they even exist) does with the signal.
>>
>> When you open a form, the form is constantly raising events.  It raises
>> OnOpen, OnClose, OnCurrent, BeforeUpdate, AfterUpdate, MouseMove etc etc.
>> The events are raised whether or not anyone is listening.  The form
>> neither knows nor cares whether anyone is listening to (sinking) those
>> events, it is simply raising these events so that if anyone is listening
>> to (sinking) the events, they can do whatever they want when the events
>> fire.
>>
>> When you place a control on the form, the control raises events under
>> certain circumstances.  When the control gets the focus it raises an
>> OnFocus event, when it loses the focus it raises a LostFocus event, it
>> raises a BeforeUpdate, AfterUpdate etc.  Of course these events depend on
>> what the user does, in other words they don?t happen unless the user
>> manipulates the control in the correct manner, enters data for example.
>> But notice that while the control always raises the event, it neither
>> knows nor cares whether anyone is listening, nor does it know or care what
>> the listener does with the event if anyone is listening (sinking the
>> event).
>>
>> This is a critical thing to understand, that the object raising an event
>> does not know nor care about the listener, nor what the listener does.
>> The reason that this is critical is because it allows you to design an
>> interface between objects which is totally asynchronous or disconnected.
>> Have you ever built a subform and referenced a control on the parent form?
>>   Have you ever tried to open that subform by itself?  It complains that it
>> cannot find the control on the parent.  The subform is has a "connected"
>> interface to the parent, without the parent it cannot do its thing
>> correctly.  The event "Raise/Sink" interface eliminates that dependence.
>> The object raising the event does not depend on having a receiver of the
>> event in order to function correctly.  The receiver of events does not
>> depend on the broadcaster existing in order to function, although of
>> course it cannot do whatever it would do with the events if they are not
>> being broadcast.  But each side can be loaded and code can execute without
>> the other side being loaded, without compile errors etc.
>>
>> The last thing to know is that regular modules cannot sink events, but a
>> class can.  A regular module cannot RAISE an event, but a class can.
>> Classes are modules, but modules are not classes."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 22 Sep 2016 at 16:22, ewaldt at gdls.com wrote:
>>
>>> I've been automating Access and Excel for years, but never got
>>> involved in creating class modules (except the ones behind forms and
>>> reports, of course). I'm now in the process of converting one of my
>>> Excel projects over to using a class module, and I can see where it's
>>> going to be useful (very quick, too). In this case, the class
>>> basically a more capable, more flexible array, with some methods built
>>> in. I'm having trouble envisioning why they would be needed in Access,
>>> though. Obviously they ARE needed, but I don't see it. Other than the
>>> built in methods, it seems like tables and arrays would handle
>>> everything. Would anyone like to offer an example of how you would use
>>> them?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for any help (and patience).
>>>
>>> Tom Ewald
>>> Mass Properties
>>> General Dynamics Land Systems
>>>
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>>
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-- 
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sat Sep 24 20:02:57 2016
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 21:02:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Example of Class Module usage needed
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I would not code in Access without them.  :)


On 9/23/2016 9:38 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
> <<Classes are swiss army knives in Access. >>
>
>   I find there are very few that bother to use them.
>
>   More often then not, it's just straight code.   The real power in using
> classes is lost in VBA because it does not have full inheritance.  VBA is
> object based, bit not object orientated like you have in a fully compliant
> OOP language.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 07:32 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Example of Class Module usage needed
>
> Classes are swiss army knives in Access.  You can use them for all sorts of
> things, not just to represent something like a table.  For example a
> Customer class might return the customer name information, all the
> associated addresses from the Address table, Order history for that
> customer, etc.  In a simple Access databases, there isn't much point, but
> where relational information is structured properly, they can be a quick
> and direct way of returning requested information from multiple tables or
> accepting input and writing it to the appropriate table.
>
> One of my favorite uses is to declare a clsForm and pass it the form object
> it should work on.  That will allow binding the open form to an instance of
> clsForm and putting uniform behavior or procedures you want available in
> all forms in the class.
>
> Charlotte Foust
> (916) 206-4336
>
> On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 1:22 PM, <ewaldt at gdls.com> wrote:
>
>> I've been automating Access and Excel for years, but never got involved in
>> creating class modules (except the ones behind forms and reports, of
>> course). I'm now in the process of converting one of my Excel projects
>> over to using a class module, and I can see where it's going to be useful
>> (very quick, too). In this case, the class basically a more capable, more
>> flexible array, with some methods built in. I'm having trouble envisioning
>> why they would be needed in Access, though. Obviously they ARE needed, but
>> I don't see it. Other than the built in methods, it seems like tables and
>> arrays would handle everything. Would anyone like to offer an example of
>> how you would use them?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any help (and patience).
>>
>> Tom Ewald
>> Mass Properties
>> General Dynamics Land Systems
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> please return this message to the sender and delete the message and any
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Sat Sep 24 20:03:21 2016
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 21:03:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know
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Doesn't seem like it was your choice and... doesn't seem like they were in
their right mind. You just gave the people what they want and that's a
concession we have all had to make as we try to earn a living.

On Sep 24, 2016 4:49 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:

> Me  (don't know about the right mind!) :(
>
> Developed in 2010 for one organisation and then when we deployed it  I
> discovered that
> some people still only had Office 2007 installed :-(
>
> We ended up rolling out the 2010 runtime on thos work stations - they
> didn't want the
> expense of upgrading all of their office installations - "2007 is working
> fine!".
>
> :-)
>
>
>
> On 24 Sep 2016 at 15:09, Bill Benson wrote:
>
> > RE: " using 2010 and
> > then trying to drop back to 2007."
> >
> > Who in their right mind does that??!
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > David,
> > >
> > >  Not sure if you consider A2010 "good" or not, but A2010 was the
> > >  last
> > > version that had support for ADP's, replication, .DBF's, and JET
> > > 3.x. Here's the list of everything that was dropped starting with
> > > A2013:
> > >
> > > https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Discontinued-
> > > features-and-modified-
> > > functionality-in-Access-2013-BC006FC3-5B48-499E-8C7D-9A2DFEF68E2F
> > >
> > >  and FWIW, A2010 is pretty solid on the desktop side as long as you
> > >  moving
> > > forward.  Most of the issues with it were related to folks using
> > > 2010 and then trying to drop back to 2007.
> > >
> > > Jim.
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> > > Behalf Of David McAfee Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 03:18 PM To:
> > > Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re:
> > > [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know
> > >
> > > Jim, I think you meant to say:
> > >  A2010 was the last good version of Access.
> > >
> > > Actually:
> > >  A2003 was the last good version of Access.  ;)
> > >
> > > I miss ADPs.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Jim Dettman
> > > <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > <<
> > > > 1. Does Access still support replication?
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > > >  Starting with A2013, no.  A2010 was the last "full feature"
> > > >  version of
> > > > Access.  Replication was dropped along with ADP's.
> > > >
> > > > <<
> > > > 2. Why would a seasoned developer would choose an MDB or ACCDB
> > > > back end when so many actual database servers for free (SQL
> > > > Express, MySQL,
> > > MariaDB,
> > > > PostGreSQL, SQLite... the list goes on),
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > > >  A seasoned developer probably would not.
> > > >
> > > >  Only thing I could think of is if someone wanted to take
> > > >  advantage of
> > > > something in ACE which is not in any other DB (say the attachment
> > > > data type), which is being driven by a customer requirement.
> > > >
> > > >  The other reasons might be data type incompatibility (i.e. the
> > > >  fun you
> > > can
> > > > have with floating point and bit fields), and last but not least,
> > > > just
> > > ease
> > > > of use.   Even today, there is still a niche (now very small
> > > > though)
> > > where
> > > > a
> > > > ACE DB BE might make sense.  Someone with no real IT staff, small
> > > > databases, and small number of users.
> > > >
> > > >  But more often that not, some other BE is the way to go as you
> > > >  say.
> > > >
> > > > <<
> > > > One last thought: the port from an Access BE to a genuine server
> > > > DB facilitates the move to web/mobile apps, and that is a
> > > rapidly-increasing,
> > > > even dominant market segment. So Access developers have to be
> > > > planning an Exit Strategy, since it is quite clear that MS has
> > > > little or no interest
> > > in
> > > > providing one.
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > > >  I can't say much on that front other than to say pay attention to
> > > >  what
> > > is
> > > > being asked for on Access user voice:
> > > >
> > > > https://access.uservoice.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  You'll find that what most are looking for is improvements in the
> > > desktop
> > > > and I think Microsoft is listening to that.  While some people are
> > > looking
> > > > for a web product, most seem to want enhancements in the desktop
> > > > product.
> > > >
> > > >  Web apps are certainly gaining ground, in many businesses it's
> > > >  still a
> > > > more
> > > > traditional approach to applications for back office work.
> > > >
> > > > Jim.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
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> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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> > >
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> >
>
>
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sat Sep 24 22:41:13 2016
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 23:41:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Example of Class Module usage needed
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Tom, I just found this in my personal archives.  It is one of a series 
of articles I wrote long ago for this list.

Classes and Events - EVENTS NOT REQUIRED

To this point the classes we have looked at were specifically designed 
to allow you to ?wrap? an object that generates events and add code and 
variables to process those events.  This lecture will demonstrate that 
classes have other uses and do not have to wrap other objects.

The class introduced today will be clsTimer, a means of timing events 
(things happening) in your code.  The class is perhaps the simplest 
class I have ever written, and perhaps the simplest class you will ever see.

?    Click Insert / Class
?    Save immediately as clsTimer
?    Insert the following code into the class:

Private Declare Function apiGetTime Lib "winmm.dll" _
                                     Alias "timeGetTime" () As Long

Private lngStartTime As Long

Private Sub Class_Initialize()
     StartTimer
End Sub

Function EndTimer()
     EndTimer = apiGetTime() - lngStartTime
End Function

Sub StartTimer()
     lngStartTime = apiGetTime()
End Sub

?    Compile and save the class.

Notice that in the header of the class we have a function definition 
apiGetTime that calls out to Windows.  This function gets the windows 
tick timer and has a resolution of 1 millisecond, or one thousandth of a 
second.  This simply means that we can?t time anything that takes less 
than one thousandth of a second without resorting to timing it several 
times.  It returns a long integer that is simply an absolute number of 
?ticks?.  Since when?  It doesn?t matter, it is just ?this is the tick 
count RIGHT NOW?.

To compute a ?time? (and we aren?t really doing that, we are calculating 
a time since the first time), you get the tick count and store it, then 
later you get another tick and compare it to the first tick.  The 
difference is the number of 1000ths of a second since the first tick count.

Notice that we have no mInit() method in this class.  Notice also that 
the Class_Initialize calls the StartTimer() function.  As you know now, 
the Class_Initialize is a class event that fires as the class loads, so 
this tells the class to load the first tick time as soon as the class 
instance loads.

In the header of the class we dimensioned a long variable lngStartTime.  
This will be used to store the starting tick count. StartTimer() simply 
calls out to Windows, gets the current tick count from Windows, and 
stores that count to lngStartTime.

EndTimer() simply calls out to Windows again to get the current tick 
count, subtracts the current count to the previous count stored in 
lngStartTime and returns that count to you the programmer.

That?s it folks!  This class has in the header a function definition to 
call Windows and a place to store the count.  In the body of the class 
it then has two methods to start the ?timer? and to return the ticks 
since the timer started.  You are not going to see many classes simpler 
than that.

So let?s discuss why we need to encapsulate this in a class.  You might 
be saying that you can do the same thing without the class but a class 
allows you to create as many of these timers as you want. Let?s build 
some test code to see how this thing works and why we might need several.

?    In the tools menu click Insert / MODULE.  We are building a normal 
module this time, NOT a class module.
?    Immediately save the module as basTimerTest
?    Into this new module insert the following code:

Function TmrTest()
Dim lngCtr1 As Long
Dim lngCtr2 As Long
Dim clsTmr1 As clsTimer
Dim clsTmr2 As clsTimer

     Set clsTmr1 = New clsTimer
     For lngCtr1 = 1 To 5
         Set clsTmr2 = New clsTimer
         For lngCtr2 = 1 To 100000
             Pi
         Next lngCtr2
         Debug.Print clsTmr2.EndTimer
     Next lngCtr1
     Debug.Print clsTmr1.EndTimer
End Function

Function Pi() As Double
Dim dblPi As Double
     dblPi = 4 * Atn(1)
     Pi = dblPi
End Function

Notice that we dim two timers, then we SET the timers on the outside of 
their respective loops.  As you know, the SET statement loads the class, 
at which point the Class_Initialize fires which grabs the first timer 
tick from windows.

The Debug.Print statement simply calls the .EndTimer method of the class 
and prints it to the debug window.

Voila, a timer, with a resolution of one thousandth of a second.

TmrTest simulates a real world code where you have two loops, and inner 
loop and an outer loop.

The inner loop times how long it takes to calculate Pi.  Notice that 
modern computers are so fast that I have to do it a hundred thousand 
times in order to get enough ?tick counts? (thousandths of a second) to 
even get a number to use.  The outer loop simply times how long it takes 
to run the inner loop 5 times.

I have intentionally kept this thing simple, but your outer loop might 
time how long it takes to read a thousand records and the inner loop 
might be replaced with timing how long it takes to ? transform a string 
from comma delimited to pipe delimited or something like that.

In this lecture we have demonstrated that a class encapsulates all of 
the code required to perform its function, plus the variables required 
to store its data.  It also demonstrates that you can use as many 
instances of the class as you need.  If you need one or a hundred 
timers, you just dim and SET the variables and you are off to the races 
so to speak.

Classes are used to encapsulate code and data required to implement a 
system.  You?re your imagination is the only limit to what that system 
can be.



>> I've been automating Access and Excel for years, but never got
>> involved in creating class modules (except the ones behind forms and
>> reports, of course). I'm now in the process of converting one of my
>> Excel projects over to using a class module, and I can see where it's
>> going to be useful (very quick, too). In this case, the class
>> basically a more capable, more flexible array, with some methods built
>> in. I'm having trouble envisioning why they would be needed in Access,
>> though. Obviously they ARE needed, but I don't see it. Other than the
>> built in methods, it seems like tables and arrays would handle
>> everything. Would anyone like to offer an example of how you would use
>> them?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any help (and patience).
>>
>> Tom Ewald
>> Mass Properties
>> General Dynamics Land Systems
>>
>>

-- 
John W. Colby


From marksimms at verizon.net  Sun Sep 25 07:58:21 2016
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 08:58:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2003 was the last good version of Access
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	<8328E08019E3462BB288758C00CF384F@XPS>
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	<651D2FC040234E1BB035E3A1913B1A55@XPS>
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	<01f301d21677$3f6cf430$be46dc90$@net>,
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Re:"What is the primary purpose?"
To avoid having to create the below....controls, list boxes, etc. and all of
that VBA.

About the only thing the split form cannot do is filter using "OR" condition
on separate columns.
i.e. customer status = "Active" OR customer orders > 100

>
>
> I have an Access application that uses a small form that pops up on the
> right side of a key company report.  Our users can control the info
> shown on the report by using the Radio Buttons and Text Boxes on the
> form.  Is the use of the Split Form along these lines?
>



From jimdettman at verizon.net  Sun Sep 25 14:21:17 2016
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 15:21:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Example of Class Module usage needed
In-Reply-To: <3030c76f-8acb-f82f-9bbd-b26ac790cb45@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.566.1474574850.12380.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<OF77B95CD9.EC412EC6-ON85258036.006F32AD-85258036.006FE2F0@gdls.com>
	<CAH+Met_sE8FSViOvNU8fkP=3V6PUS1xHQVs-pKM7H--Q98y9Mw@mail.gmail.com>
	<23050E20F5BA4D6A9759AB37A440E9A9@XPS>
	<3030c76f-8acb-f82f-9bbd-b26ac790cb45@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52789BA3-B2C5-46C4-8600-06AEEB135D73@verizon.net>

You one of the very few that does.

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 24, 2016, at 9:02 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I would not code in Access without them.  :)
> 
> 
>> On 9/23/2016 9:38 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
>> <<Classes are swiss army knives in Access. >>
>> 
>>  I find there are very few that bother to use them.
>> 
>>  More often then not, it's just straight code.   The real power in using
>> classes is lost in VBA because it does not have full inheritance.  VBA is
>> object based, bit not object orientated like you have in a fully compliant
>> OOP language.
>> 
>> Jim.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> Charlotte Foust
>> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 07:32 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Example of Class Module usage needed
>> 
>> Classes are swiss army knives in Access.  You can use them for all sorts of
>> things, not just to represent something like a table.  For example a
>> Customer class might return the customer name information, all the
>> associated addresses from the Address table, Order history for that
>> customer, etc.  In a simple Access databases, there isn't much point, but
>> where relational information is structured properly, they can be a quick
>> and direct way of returning requested information from multiple tables or
>> accepting input and writing it to the appropriate table.
>> 
>> One of my favorite uses is to declare a clsForm and pass it the form object
>> it should work on.  That will allow binding the open form to an instance of
>> clsForm and putting uniform behavior or procedures you want available in
>> all forms in the class.
>> 
>> Charlotte Foust
>> (916) 206-4336
>> 
>>> On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 1:22 PM, <ewaldt at gdls.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've been automating Access and Excel for years, but never got involved in
>>> creating class modules (except the ones behind forms and reports, of
>>> course). I'm now in the process of converting one of my Excel projects
>>> over to using a class module, and I can see where it's going to be useful
>>> (very quick, too). In this case, the class basically a more capable, more
>>> flexible array, with some methods built in. I'm having trouble envisioning
>>> why they would be needed in Access, though. Obviously they ARE needed, but
>>> I don't see it. Other than the built in methods, it seems like tables and
>>> arrays would handle everything. Would anyone like to offer an example of
>>> how you would use them?
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance for any help (and patience).
>>> 
>>> Tom Ewald
>>> Mass Properties
>>> General Dynamics Land Systems
>>> 
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> This is an e-mail from General Dynamics Land Systems. It is for the
>>> intended recipient only and may contain confidential and privileged
>>> information.  No one else may read, print, store, copy, forward or act in
>>> reliance on it or its attachments.  If you are not the intended recipient,
>>> please return this message to the sender and delete the message and any
>>> attachments from your computer. Your cooperation is appreciated.
>>> &&
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> 
> -- 
> John W. Colby
> 
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sun Sep 25 15:14:43 2016
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 16:14:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Example of Class Module usage needed
In-Reply-To: <52789BA3-B2C5-46C4-8600-06AEEB135D73@verizon.net>
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You are of course correct, but then I am one of the few that understands 
them.

;-)


On 9/25/2016 3:21 PM, Jim Dettman wrote:
> You one of the very few that does.
>
> Jim
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 24, 2016, at 9:02 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I would not code in Access without them.  :)
>>
>>
>>> On 9/23/2016 9:38 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
>>> <<Classes are swiss army knives in Access. >>
>>>
>>>   I find there are very few that bother to use them.
>>>
>>>   More often then not, it's just straight code.   The real power in using
>>> classes is lost in VBA because it does not have full inheritance.  VBA is
>>> object based, bit not object orientated like you have in a fully compliant
>>> OOP language.
>>>
>>> Jim.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Charlotte Foust
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 07:32 PM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Example of Class Module usage needed
>>>
>>> Classes are swiss army knives in Access.  You can use them for all sorts of
>>> things, not just to represent something like a table.  For example a
>>> Customer class might return the customer name information, all the
>>> associated addresses from the Address table, Order history for that
>>> customer, etc.  In a simple Access databases, there isn't much point, but
>>> where relational information is structured properly, they can be a quick
>>> and direct way of returning requested information from multiple tables or
>>> accepting input and writing it to the appropriate table.
>>>
>>> One of my favorite uses is to declare a clsForm and pass it the form object
>>> it should work on.  That will allow binding the open form to an instance of
>>> clsForm and putting uniform behavior or procedures you want available in
>>> all forms in the class.
>>>
>>> Charlotte Foust
>>> (916) 206-4336
>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 1:22 PM, <ewaldt at gdls.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I've been automating Access and Excel for years, but never got involved in
>>>> creating class modules (except the ones behind forms and reports, of
>>>> course). I'm now in the process of converting one of my Excel projects
>>>> over to using a class module, and I can see where it's going to be useful
>>>> (very quick, too). In this case, the class basically a more capable, more
>>>> flexible array, with some methods built in. I'm having trouble envisioning
>>>> why they would be needed in Access, though. Obviously they ARE needed, but
>>>> I don't see it. Other than the built in methods, it seems like tables and
>>>> arrays would handle everything. Would anyone like to offer an example of
>>>> how you would use them?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance for any help (and patience).
>>>>
>>>> Tom Ewald
>>>> Mass Properties
>>>> General Dynamics Land Systems
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> This is an e-mail from General Dynamics Land Systems. It is for the
>>>> intended recipient only and may contain confidential and privileged
>>>> information.  No one else may read, print, store, copy, forward or act in
>>>> reliance on it or its attachments.  If you are not the intended recipient,
>>>> please return this message to the sender and delete the message and any
>>>> attachments from your computer. Your cooperation is appreciated.
>>>> &&
>>>> --
>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> -- 
>> John W. Colby
>>
>> -- 
>> AccessD mailing list
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

-- 
John W. Colby


From dbdoug at gmail.com  Mon Sep 26 00:10:14 2016
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 22:10:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know
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Message-ID: <CAFa8NkgBoDfyGNwJiwHnioFKmtTqEm-9WdTQo0RoZU3pAgHGFQ@mail.gmail.com>

By coincidence, this just came up on HackerNews:

https://sqlite.org/whentouse.html

Doug

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 4:43 AM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
wrote:

> Oh yes, I forgot to mention triggers and in-memory databases  :)
>
>
> On 24 Sep 2016 at 21:38, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
>
> > I agree it's not a good alternative for multi user systems, but SQLite
> > is an excellent solution for  single user applications.  There are
> > reasons why it is so ubiquitous.
> >
> > It's free.  :)
> >
> > The same database file is usable on many platforms including Windows,
> > Linux,Android and iOS.
> >
> > It's fast, lightweight and versatile.
> >
> > For Windows, it's just one native 500KB DLL and no dependencies.
> >
> > While it doesn't have a huge range of dataypes, there's not much that
> > you can't do with a 8 bytes integers and floats (twice the size that
> > Access offers) and  a default maximum size for text  of 1 billion
> > characters (try indexinga field of  more than 255 characters in
> > Access), and the same size of BLOBs.  There are plenty of built in
> > functions for Date manipulation that make the use of a dedicated
> > Date/Time datatypes unnecessary  including UnixTime (which is a real
> > PITA to handle in Access).
> >
> > You're right that many (including me) use it because we "don't know
> > any better".  That's because in its niche, there is no better.
> >
> > :)
> >
> >
> >
> > On 24 Sep 2016 at 8:35, Gustav Brock wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Arthur
> > >
> > > I can't add much to the comments already posted, except for one
> > > thing: SQLite is certainly not an alternative for an accdb or any
> > > other decent database as SQLite is severely limited regarding data
> > > types. In fact, I think why so many use it, is only because they
> > > just don't know better.
> > >
> >
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> >
>
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Sep 26 00:28:11 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 15:28:11 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know
In-Reply-To: <CAFa8NkgBoDfyGNwJiwHnioFKmtTqEm-9WdTQo0RoZU3pAgHGFQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <58f56102-a12c-c6ba-188d-60734c27662f@gmail.com>,
	<57E666D1.31030.1A08B8EB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<CAFa8NkgBoDfyGNwJiwHnioFKmtTqEm-9WdTQo0RoZU3pAgHGFQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <57E8B1EB.30300.22FDF270@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

The relevant part in this context ( we were discussing a website database) is this part:

SQLite works great as the database engine for most low to medium traffic websites (which is 
to say, most websites). The amount of web traffic that SQLite can handle depends on how 
heavily the website uses its database. Generally speaking, any site that gets fewer than 100K 
hits/day should work fine with SQLite. The 100K hits/day figure is a conservative estimate, 
not a hard upper bound. SQLite has been demonstrated to work with 10 times that amount of 
traffic.

The SQLite website (https://www.sqlite.org/) uses SQLite itself, of course, and as of this 
writing (2015) it handles about 400K to 500K HTTP requests per day, about 15-20% of which 
are dynamic pages touching the database. Each dynamic page does roughly 200 SQL 
statements. This setup runs on a single VM that shares a physical server with 23 others and 
yet still keeps the load average below 0.1 most of the time. 


On 25 Sep 2016 at 22:10, Doug Steele wrote:

> By coincidence, this just came up on HackerNews:
> 
> https://sqlite.org/whentouse.html
> 
> Doug
> 
> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 4:43 AM, Stuart McLachlan
> <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:
> 
> > Oh yes, I forgot to mention triggers and in-memory databases  :)
> >
> >
> > On 24 Sep 2016 at 21:38, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> >
> > > I agree it's not a good alternative for multi user systems, but
> > > SQLite is an excellent solution for  single user applications. 
> > > There are reasons why it is so ubiquitous.
> > >
> > > It's free.  :)
> > >
> > > The same database file is usable on many platforms including
> > > Windows, Linux,Android and iOS.
> > >
> > > It's fast, lightweight and versatile.
> > >
> > > For Windows, it's just one native 500KB DLL and no dependencies.
> > >
> > > While it doesn't have a huge range of dataypes, there's not much
> > > that you can't do with a 8 bytes integers and floats (twice the
> > > size that Access offers) and  a default maximum size for text  of
> > > 1 billion characters (try indexinga field of  more than 255
> > > characters in Access), and the same size of BLOBs.  There are
> > > plenty of built in functions for Date manipulation that make the
> > > use of a dedicated Date/Time datatypes unnecessary  including
> > > UnixTime (which is a real PITA to handle in Access).
> > >
> > > You're right that many (including me) use it because we "don't
> > > know any better".  That's because in its niche, there is no
> > > better.
> > >
> > > :)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 24 Sep 2016 at 8:35, Gustav Brock wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Arthur
> > > >
> > > > I can't add much to the comments already posted, except for one
> > > > thing: SQLite is certainly not an alternative for an accdb or
> > > > any other decent database as SQLite is severely limited
> > > > regarding data types. In fact, I think why so many use it, is
> > > > only because they just don't know better.
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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> 



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Sep 26 00:37:56 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 15:37:56 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know
In-Reply-To: <DB6PR0601MB2198B3290DDAE9991CA5395ECACB0@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <58f56102-a12c-c6ba-188d-60734c27662f@gmail.com>,
	<57E665A3.22556.1A041DC5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<DB6PR0601MB2198B3290DDAE9991CA5395ECACB0@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <57E8B434.973.2306DFAC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

If you want to play with SQLite,  I hihgly recommend the SQLite manager Firefox extension:
https://github.com/lazierthanthou/sqlite-manager

That's what I use for all of my SQLite database management.

-- 
Stuart

On 24 Sep 2016 at 13:54, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi Stuart
> 
> I see your points. And I can see, browsing the documentation, that
> SQLite certainly has its niche.
> 
> What struck me was, that Arthur wrote:
> 
> > SQL Express, MySQL, MariaDB, PostGreSQL, SQLite... the list goes on
> 
> and I didn't see SQLite fit in here. It has its own category.
> 
> Thank you for the clarification.
> 
> /gustav
> 


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Sep 26 00:39:19 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 15:39:19 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know
In-Reply-To: <CAFa8NkgBoDfyGNwJiwHnioFKmtTqEm-9WdTQo0RoZU3pAgHGFQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <58f56102-a12c-c6ba-188d-60734c27662f@gmail.com>,
	<57E666D1.31030.1A08B8EB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<CAFa8NkgBoDfyGNwJiwHnioFKmtTqEm-9WdTQo0RoZU3pAgHGFQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <57E8B487.1348.23082311@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

That sums it up very well.   It does have a lot of uses.

On 25 Sep 2016 at 22:10, Doug Steele wrote:

> By coincidence, this just came up on HackerNews:
> 
> https://sqlite.org/whentouse.html
> 
> Doug
> 
> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 4:43 AM, Stuart McLachlan
> <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:
> 
> > Oh yes, I forgot to mention triggers and in-memory databases  :)
> >
> >
> > On 24 Sep 2016 at 21:38, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> >
> > > I agree it's not a good alternative for multi user systems, but
> > > SQLite is an excellent solution for  single user applications. 
> > > There are reasons why it is so ubiquitous.
> > >
> > > It's free.  :)
> > >
> > > The same database file is usable on many platforms including
> > > Windows, Linux,Android and iOS.
> > >
> > > It's fast, lightweight and versatile.
> > >
> > > For Windows, it's just one native 500KB DLL and no dependencies.
> > >
> > > While it doesn't have a huge range of dataypes, there's not much
> > > that you can't do with a 8 bytes integers and floats (twice the
> > > size that Access offers) and  a default maximum size for text  of
> > > 1 billion characters (try indexinga field of  more than 255
> > > characters in Access), and the same size of BLOBs.  There are
> > > plenty of built in functions for Date manipulation that make the
> > > use of a dedicated Date/Time datatypes unnecessary  including
> > > UnixTime (which is a real PITA to handle in Access).
> > >
> > > You're right that many (including me) use it because we "don't
> > > know any better".  That's because in its niche, there is no
> > > better.
> > >
> > > :)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 24 Sep 2016 at 8:35, Gustav Brock wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Arthur
> > > >
> > > > I can't add much to the comments already posted, except for one
> > > > thing: SQLite is certainly not an alternative for an accdb or
> > > > any other decent database as SQLite is severely limited
> > > > regarding data types. In fact, I think why so many use it, is
> > > > only because they just don't know better.
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From dbdoug at gmail.com  Mon Sep 26 00:58:37 2016
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 22:58:37 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know
In-Reply-To: <57E8B487.1348.23082311@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <58f56102-a12c-c6ba-188d-60734c27662f@gmail.com>
	<57E666D1.31030.1A08B8EB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAFa8NkgBoDfyGNwJiwHnioFKmtTqEm-9WdTQo0RoZU3pAgHGFQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<57E8B487.1348.23082311@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAFa8NkiY8CejnkLAN=VAFz+qNeZV1j_FD0MS=D_ant8pB5pMCw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Stuart:

I was under the impression that SQLite couldn't be used as the BE for
multi-user applications, but that web page just says it shouldn't be used
for 'high concurrency' applications.  None of my MS Access client usage
could ever be considered high concurrency (one or two people entering
orders while talking on the phone...). Have you any experience with SQLite
multi-user BEs?

Doug

On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
wrote:

> That sums it up very well.   It does have a lot of uses.
>
> On 25 Sep 2016 at 22:10, Doug Steele wrote:
>
> > By coincidence, this just came up on HackerNews:
> >
> > https://sqlite.org/whentouse.html
> >
> > Doug
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 4:43 AM, Stuart McLachlan
> > <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:
> >
> > > Oh yes, I forgot to mention triggers and in-memory databases  :)
> > >
> > >
> > > On 24 Sep 2016 at 21:38, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> > >
> > > > I agree it's not a good alternative for multi user systems, but
> > > > SQLite is an excellent solution for  single user applications.
> > > > There are reasons why it is so ubiquitous.
> > > >
> > > > It's free.  :)
> > > >
> > > > The same database file is usable on many platforms including
> > > > Windows, Linux,Android and iOS.
> > > >
> > > > It's fast, lightweight and versatile.
> > > >
> > > > For Windows, it's just one native 500KB DLL and no dependencies.
> > > >
> > > > While it doesn't have a huge range of dataypes, there's not much
> > > > that you can't do with a 8 bytes integers and floats (twice the
> > > > size that Access offers) and  a default maximum size for text  of
> > > > 1 billion characters (try indexinga field of  more than 255
> > > > characters in Access), and the same size of BLOBs.  There are
> > > > plenty of built in functions for Date manipulation that make the
> > > > use of a dedicated Date/Time datatypes unnecessary  including
> > > > UnixTime (which is a real PITA to handle in Access).
> > > >
> > > > You're right that many (including me) use it because we "don't
> > > > know any better".  That's because in its niche, there is no
> > > > better.
> > > >
> > > > :)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 24 Sep 2016 at 8:35, Gustav Brock wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Arthur
> > > > >
> > > > > I can't add much to the comments already posted, except for one
> > > > > thing: SQLite is certainly not an alternative for an accdb or
> > > > > any other decent database as SQLite is severely limited
> > > > > regarding data types. In fact, I think why so many use it, is
> > > > > only because they just don't know better.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Sep 26 01:04:01 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 16:04:01 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know
In-Reply-To: <57E8B1EB.30300.22FDF270@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <58f56102-a12c-c6ba-188d-60734c27662f@gmail.com>,
	<CAFa8NkgBoDfyGNwJiwHnioFKmtTqEm-9WdTQo0RoZU3pAgHGFQ@mail.gmail.com>,
	<57E8B1EB.30300.22FDF270@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <57E8BA51.6559.231EBEB5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

For websites, it's worth noting that:

The SQLite3 extension is enabled by default as of PHP 5.3.0. 

Windows users must enable php_sqlite3.dll in order to use this extension. This DLL is 
included with Windows distributions of PHP as of PHP 5.3.0. 

-- 
Stuart

On 26 Sep 2016 at 15:28, Stuart McLachlan wrote:

> The relevant part in this context ( we were discussing a website
> database) is this part:
> 
> SQLite works great as the database engine for most low to medium
> traffic websites (which is to say, most websites). The amount of web
> traffic that SQLite can handle depends on how heavily the website uses
> its database. Generally speaking, any site that gets fewer than 100K
> hits/day should work fine with SQLite. The 100K hits/day figure is a
> conservative estimate, not a hard upper bound. SQLite has been
> demonstrated to work with 10 times that amount of traffic.
> 
> The SQLite website (https://www.sqlite.org/) uses SQLite itself, of
> course, and as of this writing (2015) it handles about 400K to 500K
> HTTP requests per day, about 15-20% of which are dynamic pages
> touching the database. Each dynamic page does roughly 200 SQL
> statements. This setup runs on a single VM that shares a physical
> server with 23 others and yet still keeps the load average below 0.1
> most of the time. 
> 
> 
> On 25 Sep 2016 at 22:10, Doug Steele wrote:
> 
> > By coincidence, this just came up on HackerNews:
> > 
> > https://sqlite.org/whentouse.html
> > 
> > Doug
> > 
> > On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 4:43 AM, Stuart McLachlan
> > <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:
> > 
> > > Oh yes, I forgot to mention triggers and in-memory databases  :)
> > >
> > >
> > > On 24 Sep 2016 at 21:38, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> > >
> > > > I agree it's not a good alternative for multi user systems, but
> > > > SQLite is an excellent solution for  single user applications.
> > > > There are reasons why it is so ubiquitous.
> > > >
> > > > It's free.  :)
> > > >
> > > > The same database file is usable on many platforms including
> > > > Windows, Linux,Android and iOS.
> > > >
> > > > It's fast, lightweight and versatile.
> > > >
> > > > For Windows, it's just one native 500KB DLL and no dependencies.
> > > >
> > > > While it doesn't have a huge range of dataypes, there's not much
> > > > that you can't do with a 8 bytes integers and floats (twice the
> > > > size that Access offers) and  a default maximum size for text 
> > > > of 1 billion characters (try indexinga field of  more than 255
> > > > characters in Access), and the same size of BLOBs.  There are
> > > > plenty of built in functions for Date manipulation that make the
> > > > use of a dedicated Date/Time datatypes unnecessary  including
> > > > UnixTime (which is a real PITA to handle in Access).
> > > >
> > > > You're right that many (including me) use it because we "don't
> > > > know any better".  That's because in its niche, there is no
> > > > better.
> > > >
> > > > :)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 24 Sep 2016 at 8:35, Gustav Brock wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Arthur
> > > > >
> > > > > I can't add much to the comments already posted, except for
> > > > > one thing: SQLite is certainly not an alternative for an accdb
> > > > > or any other decent database as SQLite is severely limited
> > > > > regarding data types. In fact, I think why so many use it, is
> > > > > only because they just don't know better.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > -- 
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> 
> 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Sep 26 01:42:47 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 16:42:47 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know
In-Reply-To: <CAFa8NkiY8CejnkLAN=VAFz+qNeZV1j_FD0MS=D_ant8pB5pMCw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <58f56102-a12c-c6ba-188d-60734c27662f@gmail.com>,
	<57E8B487.1348.23082311@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<CAFa8NkiY8CejnkLAN=VAFz+qNeZV1j_FD0MS=D_ant8pB5pMCw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <57E8C367.16956.23423F1B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Hi Doug,

"High concurrency"  here means multiple threads or processes on the same machine 
accessing the datafile.     

See the bits on that page that metion client/server for multi-user considerations.  Not optimal.

 So no, I've never developed a multi-user SQLite application and have no intention of ever 
doing so.' 

But if you really want or need to work with SQLite data files in client/server mode, you could 
check out SQLitening (developed by some very good PowerBASIC programmers)


SQLitening Database System

SQLitening is a client/server implementation of the very popular SQLite database.

SQLitening is a programmer's library in standard Win32 DLL form. It is installed as a 
standard Windows Service. In addition to client/server mode, the library allows the 
programmer to also access SQLite databases in local mode. In either mode (local or 
client/server), the database is extremely fast and robust.

Installation is a breeze - you simply copy a couple of DLL's to the folder where your 
application resides. If you work in client/server mode, you create a folder on your server and 
start the SQLitening Windows Service from the Administration program. You may need to 
modify the standard configuration text file to set permissions and port numbers/host names. 
Simple.

Download via the sqlitening support site. Check it out at:  http://www.sqlitening.com


On 25 Sep 2016 at 22:58, Doug Steele wrote:

> Hi Stuart:
> 
> I was under the impression that SQLite couldn't be used as the BE for
> multi-user applications, but that web page just says it shouldn't be
> used for 'high concurrency' applications.  None of my MS Access client
> usage could ever be considered high concurrency (one or two people
> entering orders while talking on the phone...). Have you any
> experience with SQLite multi-user BEs?
> 
> Doug
> 
> On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Stuart McLachlan
> <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:
> 
> > That sums it up very well.   It does have a lot of uses.
> >
> > On 25 Sep 2016 at 22:10, Doug Steele wrote:
> >
> > > By coincidence, this just came up on HackerNews:
> > >
> > > https://sqlite.org/whentouse.html
> > >
> > > Doug
> > >
> > > On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 4:43 AM, Stuart McLachlan
> > > <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Oh yes, I forgot to mention triggers and in-memory databases  :)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 24 Sep 2016 at 21:38, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I agree it's not a good alternative for multi user systems,
> > > > > but SQLite is an excellent solution for  single user
> > > > > applications. There are reasons why it is so ubiquitous.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's free.  :)
> > > > >
> > > > > The same database file is usable on many platforms including
> > > > > Windows, Linux,Android and iOS.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's fast, lightweight and versatile.
> > > > >
> > > > > For Windows, it's just one native 500KB DLL and no
> > > > > dependencies.
> > > > >
> > > > > While it doesn't have a huge range of dataypes, there's not
> > > > > much that you can't do with a 8 bytes integers and floats
> > > > > (twice the size that Access offers) and  a default maximum
> > > > > size for text  of 1 billion characters (try indexinga field of
> > > > >  more than 255 characters in Access), and the same size of
> > > > > BLOBs.  There are plenty of built in functions for Date
> > > > > manipulation that make the use of a dedicated Date/Time
> > > > > datatypes unnecessary  including UnixTime (which is a real
> > > > > PITA to handle in Access).
> > > > >
> > > > > You're right that many (including me) use it because we "don't
> > > > > know any better".  That's because in its niche, there is no
> > > > > better.
> > > > >
> > > > > :)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 24 Sep 2016 at 8:35, Gustav Brock wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Arthur
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I can't add much to the comments already posted, except for
> > > > > > one thing: SQLite is certainly not an alternative for an
> > > > > > accdb or any other decent database as SQLite is severely
> > > > > > limited regarding data types. In fact, I think why so many
> > > > > > use it, is only because they just don't know better.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Sep 26 06:33:31 2016
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 07:33:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Example of Class Module usage needed
In-Reply-To: <ddc09996-b4cb-71a0-f711-827b6fb1a052@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.566.1474574850.12380.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<OF77B95CD9.EC412EC6-ON85258036.006F32AD-85258036.006FE2F0@gdls.com>
	<CAH+Met_sE8FSViOvNU8fkP=3V6PUS1xHQVs-pKM7H--Q98y9Mw@mail.gmail.com>
	<23050E20F5BA4D6A9759AB37A440E9A9@XPS>
	<3030c76f-8acb-f82f-9bbd-b26ac790cb45@gmail.com>
	<52789BA3-B2C5-46C4-8600-06AEEB135D73@verizon.net>
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 Among developers who only do VBA, yes.   But anyone who does something like
VFP or .Net certainly understand classes.

 I think if VBA was more object orientated, we'd be talking about an
entirely different situation when looking at Access code.

 While there are places where you can use classes and use them well, without
inheritance at least, your stuck doing things along the lines of traditional
linear programming.

 One example; you create a text box class that handles dates.   First, you
need to create it from scratch.  You simply can't subclass off a text
control.  Then, you need to hook it up yourself on every form instead of
simply dropping it on a form at design time.

 Another example; If I want to change the text control behavior (say the
font) of all text controls, I need to modify every class I've created rather
than changing the text class itself.  But if you had this for a hierarchy:

Base control
  Text control
    Framework text control
      App specific text control
        My date text control


 Then I would just have to change it once on any one of the levels besides
the last and be done with it.

 And that's where VBA looses out when it comes to using classes.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
John Colby
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2016 04:15 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Access Developers
discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Example of Class Module usage needed

You are of course correct, but then I am one of the few that understands 
them.

;-)


On 9/25/2016 3:21 PM, Jim Dettman wrote:
> You one of the very few that does.
>
> Jim
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 24, 2016, at 9:02 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I would not code in Access without them.  :)
>>
>>
>>> On 9/23/2016 9:38 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
>>> <<Classes are swiss army knives in Access. >>
>>>
>>>   I find there are very few that bother to use them.
>>>
>>>   More often then not, it's just straight code.   The real power in
using
>>> classes is lost in VBA because it does not have full inheritance.  VBA
is
>>> object based, bit not object orientated like you have in a fully
compliant
>>> OOP language.
>>>
>>> Jim.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Charlotte Foust
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 07:32 PM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Example of Class Module usage needed
>>>
>>> Classes are swiss army knives in Access.  You can use them for all sorts
of
>>> things, not just to represent something like a table.  For example a
>>> Customer class might return the customer name information, all the
>>> associated addresses from the Address table, Order history for that
>>> customer, etc.  In a simple Access databases, there isn't much point,
but
>>> where relational information is structured properly, they can be a quick
>>> and direct way of returning requested information from multiple tables
or
>>> accepting input and writing it to the appropriate table.
>>>
>>> One of my favorite uses is to declare a clsForm and pass it the form
object
>>> it should work on.  That will allow binding the open form to an instance
of
>>> clsForm and putting uniform behavior or procedures you want available in
>>> all forms in the class.
>>>
>>> Charlotte Foust
>>> (916) 206-4336
>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 1:22 PM, <ewaldt at gdls.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I've been automating Access and Excel for years, but never got involved
in
>>>> creating class modules (except the ones behind forms and reports, of
>>>> course). I'm now in the process of converting one of my Excel projects
>>>> over to using a class module, and I can see where it's going to be
useful
>>>> (very quick, too). In this case, the class basically a more capable,
more
>>>> flexible array, with some methods built in. I'm having trouble
envisioning
>>>> why they would be needed in Access, though. Obviously they ARE needed,
but
>>>> I don't see it. Other than the built in methods, it seems like tables
and
>>>> arrays would handle everything. Would anyone like to offer an example
of
>>>> how you would use them?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance for any help (and patience).
>>>>
>>>> Tom Ewald
>>>> Mass Properties
>>>> General Dynamics Land Systems
>>>>
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Sep 26 06:33:31 2016
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 07:33:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know
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Bill,

  A lot of people who use Access simply didn't know any better.

  Most assumed that because the DB was the same file format, then could use
any version on it and get the same results.

  That's never been true of course, but the features in A2010 that were
specific to it were easy to fall into using without realizing it.  So when
you went back to A2007, it was more of an issue than in the past.

Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Bill Benson
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 03:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know

RE: " using 2010 and
then trying to drop back to 2007."

Who in their right mind does that??!

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net>
wrote:

> David,
>
>  Not sure if you consider A2010 "good" or not, but A2010 was the last
> version that had support for ADP's, replication, .DBF's, and JET 3.x.
> Here's the list of everything that was dropped starting with A2013:
>
> https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Discontinued-
> features-and-modified-
> functionality-in-Access-2013-BC006FC3-5B48-499E-8C7D-9A2DFEF68E2F
>
>  and FWIW, A2010 is pretty solid on the desktop side as long as you moving
> forward.  Most of the issues with it were related to folks using 2010 and
> then trying to drop back to 2007.
>
> Jim.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> David McAfee
> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 03:18 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know
>
> Jim, I think you meant to say:
>  A2010 was the last good version of Access.
>
> Actually:
>  A2003 was the last good version of Access.  ;)
>
> I miss ADPs.
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> > <<
> > 1. Does Access still support replication?
> > >>
> >
> >  Starting with A2013, no.  A2010 was the last "full feature" version of
> > Access.  Replication was dropped along with ADP's.
> >
> > <<
> > 2. Why would a seasoned developer would choose an MDB or ACCDB back end
> > when so many actual database servers for free (SQL Express, MySQL,
> MariaDB,
> > PostGreSQL, SQLite... the list goes on),
> > >>
> >
> >  A seasoned developer probably would not.
> >
> >  Only thing I could think of is if someone wanted to take advantage of
> > something in ACE which is not in any other DB (say the attachment data
> > type), which is being driven by a customer requirement.
> >
> >  The other reasons might be data type incompatibility (i.e. the fun you
> can
> > have with floating point and bit fields), and last but not least, just
> ease
> > of use.   Even today, there is still a niche (now very small though)
> where
> > a
> > ACE DB BE might make sense.  Someone with no real IT staff, small
> > databases,
> > and small number of users.
> >
> >  But more often that not, some other BE is the way to go as you say.
> >
> > <<
> > One last thought: the port from an Access BE to a genuine server DB
> > facilitates the move to web/mobile apps, and that is a
> rapidly-increasing,
> > even dominant market segment. So Access developers have to be planning
an
> > Exit Strategy, since it is quite clear that MS has little or no interest
> in
> > providing one.
> > >>
> >
> >  I can't say much on that front other than to say pay attention to what
> is
> > being asked for on Access user voice:
> >
> > https://access.uservoice.com
> >
> >
> >  You'll find that what most are looking for is improvements in the
> desktop
> > and I think Microsoft is listening to that.  While some people are
> looking
> > for a web product, most seem to want enhancements in the desktop
product.
> >
> >  Web apps are certainly gaining ground, in many businesses it's still a
> > more
> > traditional approach to applications for back office work.
> >
> > Jim.
> >
> >
> >
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From ewaldt at gdls.com  Mon Sep 26 07:52:54 2016
From: ewaldt at gdls.com (ewaldt at gdls.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 08:52:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Example of Class Module usage needed
In-Reply-To: <mailman.75.1474866655.1048.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.75.1474866655.1048.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
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Wow! I knew this was a great group, but that was a LOT of responses! 
Thanks, everyone, especially (the expert) John Colby. I'll look through it 
and probably come up with more questions.

Thanks, again!

Tom Ewald
Mass Properties
General Dynamics Land Systems

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Sep 26 08:31:49 2016
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 09:31:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Example of Class Module usage needed
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Jim et. al.

There is a funny thing about classes and inheritance. In the history of
evolutionary thought, species and phyla were created (discovered) in a
bottom-up fashion; only by comparing apparently different species did
Darwin and the rest of us in his wake realize that they shared a common
ancestor. In addition, there have been many cases wherein a given species
was originally thought to belong to one ancestral line, and only later was
discovered to belong to another. This has even applied to assignment to a
phylum (c.f. Stephen J. Gould's *The Burgess Shale*).

The current top-down orientation of O-O development is radically different
than what happened in the biological world. The O-O model embodies a
God-like perspective (the ultimate case of top-down design).

What does this have to do with O-O? Simply this: there ought to be a way to
promote attributes and methods, rather than or in addition to inheritance.
In practice, this would mean something like this:

I design two classes, apparently quite different, but as I play with them I
begin to realize that they share some subtle things in common that I hadn't
realized when designing them as separate classes. So now I design a
superclass, and promote the attributes and methods they share upward, then
modify the original two classes to inherit from the superclass.

Of course this can be done manually, by creating the superclass and then
visiting each of the original classes and adding the *Inherits* keyword to
each definition. But I was thinking of a more graphic view of the
hierarchy, with Drag and Drop, so that I could accomplish this visually:
just Drag an attribute or method from one of the "lower" classes up the
chain to the superclass. That would be really cool.

Early on in the history of O-O, there was the concept of multiple
inheritance (that is, class C inherits from both class A and B). I think
that this came to be seen as a bad idea, and was abandoned by most or all
the languages that supported it. I don't if any language still supports it.
Do you?

Arthur
?

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Sep 26 08:33:58 2016
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 09:33:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Example of Class Module usage needed
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Oh yes, I forgot another question I have. One of the first books I read
about O-O was by Bertrand Meyer, who created the Eiffel language. Is it
still in use? And if so, is its use confined to or favoured by some
particular application domain?

A.
?

From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Sep 26 10:22:38 2016
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 11:22:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Example of Class Module usage needed
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Message-ID: <D42E3CF803CC469D82E5C6A14D7FEE8C@XPS>

Arthur,

<<Early on in the history of O-O, there was the concept of multiple
inheritance (that is, class C inherits from both class A and B). >>

 Wasn't Eiffel like that (and for your other question, don't know if it's still in use or not)?  Don't remember off-hand....that was a long, long time ago<g>.

 I would agree too that top down has some fundamental problems.  That's why OOP and Classes are not all their cracked up to be either. You really can get into some messy situations and end up with a lot of work as a result in re-designing a hierarchy.

 Interesting thought on promoting attributes...there are a lot of nuances to OOP that you really can't appreciate until you do it.  I've been away from it for a bit now (back to Access!), but it was fun to dig into it at the time.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 09:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Example of Class Module usage needed

Jim et. al.

There is a funny thing about classes and inheritance. In the history of
evolutionary thought, species and phyla were created (discovered) in a
bottom-up fashion; only by comparing apparently different species did
Darwin and the rest of us in his wake realize that they shared a common
ancestor. In addition, there have been many cases wherein a given species
was originally thought to belong to one ancestral line, and only later was
discovered to belong to another. This has even applied to assignment to a
phylum (c.f. Stephen J. Gould's *The Burgess Shale*).

The current top-down orientation of O-O development is radically different
than what happened in the biological world. The O-O model embodies a
God-like perspective (the ultimate case of top-down design).

What does this have to do with O-O? Simply this: there ought to be a way to
promote attributes and methods, rather than or in addition to inheritance.
In practice, this would mean something like this:

I design two classes, apparently quite different, but as I play with them I
begin to realize that they share some subtle things in common that I hadn't
realized when designing them as separate classes. So now I design a
superclass, and promote the attributes and methods they share upward, then
modify the original two classes to inherit from the superclass.

Of course this can be done manually, by creating the superclass and then
visiting each of the original classes and adding the *Inherits* keyword to
each definition. But I was thinking of a more graphic view of the
hierarchy, with Drag and Drop, so that I could accomplish this visually:
just Drag an attribute or method from one of the "lower" classes up the
chain to the superclass. That would be really cool.

Early on in the history of O-O, there was the concept of multiple
inheritance (that is, class C inherits from both class A and B). I think
that this came to be seen as a bad idea, and was abandoned by most or all
the languages that supported it. I don't if any language still supports it.
Do you?

Arthur
?
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Mon Sep 26 13:13:53 2016
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 11:13:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know
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I prefer 2010 over 2007, but prefer the layout of 2003 and earlier versions.

I really don't do too much in Access these days, more SQL Server.

I'm trying to convert the rest of my co-workers over to SQL Server
Management Studio,
but I can't get them to get away from the Access QBE / GUI.

They love linked tables/views and doing everything from Access.

:(

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 7:23 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

> David,
>
>  Not sure if you consider A2010 "good" or not, but A2010 was the last
> version that had support for ADP's, replication, .DBF's, and JET 3.x.
> Here's the list of everything that was dropped starting with A2013:
>
> https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Discontinued-
> features-and-modified-
> functionality-in-Access-2013-BC006FC3-5B48-499E-8C7D-9A2DFEF68E2F
>
>  and FWIW, A2010 is pretty solid on the desktop side as long as you moving
> forward.  Most of the issues with it were related to folks using 2010 and
> then trying to drop back to 2007.
>
> Jim.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> David McAfee
> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 03:18 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know
>
> Jim, I think you meant to say:
>  A2010 was the last good version of Access.
>
> Actually:
>  A2003 was the last good version of Access.  ;)
>
> I miss ADPs.
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> > <<
> > 1. Does Access still support replication?
> > >>
> >
> >  Starting with A2013, no.  A2010 was the last "full feature" version of
> > Access.  Replication was dropped along with ADP's.
> >
> > <<
> > 2. Why would a seasoned developer would choose an MDB or ACCDB back end
> > when so many actual database servers for free (SQL Express, MySQL,
> MariaDB,
> > PostGreSQL, SQLite... the list goes on),
> > >>
> >
> >  A seasoned developer probably would not.
> >
> >  Only thing I could think of is if someone wanted to take advantage of
> > something in ACE which is not in any other DB (say the attachment data
> > type), which is being driven by a customer requirement.
> >
> >  The other reasons might be data type incompatibility (i.e. the fun you
> can
> > have with floating point and bit fields), and last but not least, just
> ease
> > of use.   Even today, there is still a niche (now very small though)
> where
> > a
> > ACE DB BE might make sense.  Someone with no real IT staff, small
> > databases,
> > and small number of users.
> >
> >  But more often that not, some other BE is the way to go as you say.
> >
> > <<
> > One last thought: the port from an Access BE to a genuine server DB
> > facilitates the move to web/mobile apps, and that is a
> rapidly-increasing,
> > even dominant market segment. So Access developers have to be planning an
> > Exit Strategy, since it is quite clear that MS has little or no interest
> in
> > providing one.
> > >>
> >
> >  I can't say much on that front other than to say pay attention to what
> is
> > being asked for on Access user voice:
> >
> > https://access.uservoice.com
> >
> >
> >  You'll find that what most are looking for is improvements in the
> desktop
> > and I think Microsoft is listening to that.  While some people are
> looking
> > for a web product, most seem to want enhancements in the desktop product.
> >
> >  Web apps are certainly gaining ground, in many businesses it's still a
> > more
> > traditional approach to applications for back office work.
> >
> > Jim.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Sep 26 14:26:53 2016
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 15:26:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Example of Class Module usage needed
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Jim,

My first actual experience with O-O was Actor, which at the time was pretty
slick. I don't know whether it's still around either. Over the years I've
toyed with a bunch of various O-O languages, and become expert at none. But
it remains fun.

My thought on promotion applies to both attributes and methods, and by
extension to abstract classes as well. For example, if both class B and C
have an add method, which concatenates in class B and sums in class C, then
a promotion to the abstract class A would imply and demand an
implementation of add() in any descendant -- which in this case is trivial,
since both B and C already have the method. (This implies that in the GUI
there would be the usual difference between Drag-Drop and Drag-Copy;
perhaps the latter would want CTRL+Drag, or something.)

Do any of the O-O IDEs present a view of the hierarchy in a similar
graphical form as the one I'm suggesting?

A.
?

From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Sep 26 16:59:38 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 15:59:38 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] History
In-Reply-To: <57E5B551.17306.17535F49@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <447729716.92495774.1474927178215.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Thanks Stuart. I was thinking of that and then hoping the client would either get the copy he has paid for, from the hosting company or buy a new copy, so I could set it up on a more permanent bases.

Jim

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Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 4:05:53 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] History

For the test server, can you use the free 30 day trial version?

http://www.aspupload.com/download.html

On 23 Sep 2016 at 14:53, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> I have not worked with MS Access for almost ten years but a client
> decided to upgrade their old website that runs on Server2003, IIS6,
> ASP classic and uses Access MBD as the database. You don't have to say
> it; "What are you doing working with that old crap?" 
> 
> No good deed ever goes unpunished and the owner is so desperate that
> he is even offering money. I have said to just abandon that site and
> do a complete re-write but he's not offering that much and now that he
> has retired his wife would go ballistic if he even suggested a
> re-write. His site originally cost him somewhere around 20 to 30K.
> 
> To that end I have run up a virtual drive running Server2003, with
> IIS6 and now am trying to get the old site running on this test
> server. The Access MDB database is working fine...
> 
> When running the follow piece of code: 
> Set UploadProgress = Server.CreateObject("Persits.UploadProgress")
> 
> ...which results in the error:
> 
> Server object error 'ASP 0177 : 800401f3'
> Server.CreateObject Failed  
> 
> To the best of my knowledge the website needs a DLL from Persits:
> 
> http://www.aspupload.com/object_progress.html
> 
> Does anyone have the appropriate DLL so it can be registered on the
> test server? regsvr32 c: \ downloads \
> WhatEvertheNameoftheUploadDriver.dll
> 
> MTIA
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Sep 26 17:00:00 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 16:00:00 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Overview of the election
In-Reply-To: <57E5B56F.21390.1753D18B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <92131399.92496031.1474927200283.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Obviously.

Jim

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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Overview of the election

Should have gone to OT?



On 23 Sep 2016 at 16:46, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37423550
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Sep 26 17:09:15 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 16:09:15 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Example of Class Module usage needed
In-Reply-To: <57E5E1D1.27687.180131D7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <980251792.92504056.1474927755232.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Good one.

Jim

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Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 7:15:45 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Example of Class Module usage needed

A  good, simple primer:

http://www.codeproject.com/Tips/679615/OOP-Explained-in-Seconds


On 23 Sep 2016 at 21:22, Bill Benson wrote:

> On Sep 23, 2016 9:18 PM, "Bill Benson" <bensonforums at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Thank you Stuart for the explanation. I am hardly even a layman
> when it comes to real understanding of OOP. > > On Sep 23, 2016 7:03
> PM, "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote: >> >> > Do you
> agree that a module is not a class? >> >> Short answer, Yes. >> >>
> Long answer: >> >> JC and I had many discussions about modules,
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Sep 26 21:22:22 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 20:22:22 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know
In-Reply-To: <CAFa8NkgBoDfyGNwJiwHnioFKmtTqEm-9WdTQo0RoZU3pAgHGFQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Good link.

Jim

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From: "Doug Steele" <dbdoug at gmail.com>
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Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2016 10:10:14 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know

By coincidence, this just came up on HackerNews:

https://sqlite.org/whentouse.html

Doug

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 4:43 AM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
wrote:

> Oh yes, I forgot to mention triggers and in-memory databases  :)
>
>
> On 24 Sep 2016 at 21:38, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
>
> > I agree it's not a good alternative for multi user systems, but SQLite
> > is an excellent solution for  single user applications.  There are
> > reasons why it is so ubiquitous.
> >
> > It's free.  :)
> >
> > The same database file is usable on many platforms including Windows,
> > Linux,Android and iOS.
> >
> > It's fast, lightweight and versatile.
> >
> > For Windows, it's just one native 500KB DLL and no dependencies.
> >
> > While it doesn't have a huge range of dataypes, there's not much that
> > you can't do with a 8 bytes integers and floats (twice the size that
> > Access offers) and  a default maximum size for text  of 1 billion
> > characters (try indexinga field of  more than 255 characters in
> > Access), and the same size of BLOBs.  There are plenty of built in
> > functions for Date manipulation that make the use of a dedicated
> > Date/Time datatypes unnecessary  including UnixTime (which is a real
> > PITA to handle in Access).
> >
> > You're right that many (including me) use it because we "don't know
> > any better".  That's because in its niche, there is no better.
> >
> > :)
> >
> >
> >
> > On 24 Sep 2016 at 8:35, Gustav Brock wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Arthur
> > >
> > > I can't add much to the comments already posted, except for one
> > > thing: SQLite is certainly not an alternative for an accdb or any
> > > other decent database as SQLite is severely limited regarding data
> > > types. In fact, I think why so many use it, is only because they
> > > just don't know better.
> > >
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Sep 26 21:24:11 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 20:24:11 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know
In-Reply-To: <57E8B1EB.30300.22FDF270@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <608028740.92700677.1474943051764.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Might even look at it seriously for the clients of which I am now working for. (small website.)

Jim

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Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2016 10:28:11 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know

The relevant part in this context ( we were discussing a website database) is this part:

SQLite works great as the database engine for most low to medium traffic websites (which is 
to say, most websites). The amount of web traffic that SQLite can handle depends on how 
heavily the website uses its database. Generally speaking, any site that gets fewer than 100K 
hits/day should work fine with SQLite. The 100K hits/day figure is a conservative estimate, 
not a hard upper bound. SQLite has been demonstrated to work with 10 times that amount of 
traffic.

The SQLite website (https://www.sqlite.org/) uses SQLite itself, of course, and as of this 
writing (2015) it handles about 400K to 500K HTTP requests per day, about 15-20% of which 
are dynamic pages touching the database. Each dynamic page does roughly 200 SQL 
statements. This setup runs on a single VM that shares a physical server with 23 others and 
yet still keeps the load average below 0.1 most of the time. 


On 25 Sep 2016 at 22:10, Doug Steele wrote:

> By coincidence, this just came up on HackerNews:
> 
> https://sqlite.org/whentouse.html
> 
> Doug
> 
> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 4:43 AM, Stuart McLachlan
> <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:
> 
> > Oh yes, I forgot to mention triggers and in-memory databases  :)
> >
> >
> > On 24 Sep 2016 at 21:38, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> >
> > > I agree it's not a good alternative for multi user systems, but
> > > SQLite is an excellent solution for  single user applications. 
> > > There are reasons why it is so ubiquitous.
> > >
> > > It's free.  :)
> > >
> > > The same database file is usable on many platforms including
> > > Windows, Linux,Android and iOS.
> > >
> > > It's fast, lightweight and versatile.
> > >
> > > For Windows, it's just one native 500KB DLL and no dependencies.
> > >
> > > While it doesn't have a huge range of dataypes, there's not much
> > > that you can't do with a 8 bytes integers and floats (twice the
> > > size that Access offers) and  a default maximum size for text  of
> > > 1 billion characters (try indexinga field of  more than 255
> > > characters in Access), and the same size of BLOBs.  There are
> > > plenty of built in functions for Date manipulation that make the
> > > use of a dedicated Date/Time datatypes unnecessary  including
> > > UnixTime (which is a real PITA to handle in Access).
> > >
> > > You're right that many (including me) use it because we "don't
> > > know any better".  That's because in its niche, there is no
> > > better.
> > >
> > > :)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 24 Sep 2016 at 8:35, Gustav Brock wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Arthur
> > > >
> > > > I can't add much to the comments already posted, except for one
> > > > thing: SQLite is certainly not an alternative for an accdb or
> > > > any other decent database as SQLite is severely limited
> > > > regarding data types. In fact, I think why so many use it, is
> > > > only because they just don't know better.
> > > >
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Sep 26 21:26:18 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 20:26:18 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know
In-Reply-To: <57E8B434.973.2306DFAC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <729651003.92701878.1474943178723.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

I might have to ask you some questions on the product as you are the apparent expert here. 

Jim

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From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
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Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2016 10:37:56 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know

If you want to play with SQLite,  I hihgly recommend the SQLite manager Firefox extension:
https://github.com/lazierthanthou/sqlite-manager

That's what I use for all of my SQLite database management.

-- 
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On 24 Sep 2016 at 13:54, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi Stuart
> 
> I see your points. And I can see, browsing the documentation, that
> SQLite certainly has its niche.
> 
> What struck me was, that Arthur wrote:
> 
> > SQL Express, MySQL, MariaDB, PostGreSQL, SQLite... the list goes on
> 
> and I didn't see SQLite fit in here. It has its own category.
> 
> Thank you for the clarification.
> 
> /gustav
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Sep 26 23:30:26 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 22:30:26 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Example of Class Module usage needed
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hfTpgJGjKRX4GuSu6KeAMv3K3yBRrF9bxNwkNdUuZ3bw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2037121426.92764770.1474950626182.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

I have a friend who has been using Eiffel for years...and he can not say enough good about it. We managed to talk a Eiffel rep into coming to UVic to give a talk on the program and its features. Impressive and so tidy. A beautifully clean language.

Unfortunately, we could not get the university systems people along with the Neptune project to deviate off Java. :-(

This is going back more than 10 years now. Now everything is JavaScript, PHP and Python along with a myriad of scaffolding tools, Linux apps and githb code for modern webapps. BEs are more often than not MySQL and if you are government, Oracle is still clinging on. 

Jim

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Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 6:33:58 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Example of Class Module usage needed

Oh yes, I forgot another question I have. One of the first books I read
about O-O was by Bertrand Meyer, who created the Eiffel language. Is it
still in use? And if so, is its use confined to or favoured by some
particular application domain?

A.
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Sep 26 23:57:25 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 22:57:25 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Very busy
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWZgW_vzTvvGmqOiHRTdfMx1RnUBfFsPQ8POaLrK30+HNg@mail.gmail.com>
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We have been very pre-occupied as of late.

First it was family from Vancouver and Kitimat and then some foreigners from England and Ottawa...luckily they didn't stay too long.

Jim

From darren at activebilling.com.au  Tue Sep 27 21:20:48 2016
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren - Active Billing)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 12:20:48 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] How to Force the Location of a small form next to a
 report
In-Reply-To: <57DC80B3.17015.3F7D694@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <MWHPR05MB3246E0FD97063B540902D0CFCFF30@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
	<05bd01d21062$fd5d5f40$f8181dc0$@bchacc.com>
	<MWHPR05MB32460D29F80F4FD8930B147CCFF30@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
	<57DC80B3.17015.3F7D694@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <579BD4C6-009E-421C-A322-85263F9514EE@activebilling.com.au>

Howdy,

 

Coming into this one a bit late. I have also written (Way back in the day) a companion form that needed to ?follow? a main form, if the main form was moved.

I achieved a nice little ?snap to? feature by having code set the position of a trailing form relative to the position of a main form. Added that code to the timer on the ?trailing? form. Worked well for that application

Dunno if that helps ? Just thought I?d post J

Have fun

Darren

 

From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
Organization: Lexacorp
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Date: Saturday, 17 September 2016 9:30 am
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Force the Location of a small form next to a report

 

That moves the "Active Window", so I suspect it won't work until the control form is already 

on screen and has the focus.

 

The Form.Move method has the advantage that it  can be applied during creation but before 

the form is displayed.

 

 

 

On 16 Sep 2016 at 21:59, Brad Marks wrote:

 

Rocky,

Thanks!  I will need to experiment with this.

Brad

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<accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to Force the

Location of a small form next to a report

I think MoveSize may work IIUC what you're trying to accomplish:

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/ff197394.aspx

rocky

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Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] How to

Force the Location of a small form next to a report

All,

Recently, I was asked to develop a small form which controls the data

that appears on a related report.  

This form has six text boxes and five radio buttons.  By using these

text boxes and radio buttons, our users can control the data that is

shown on the report. 

Our users have fairly wide screens.  There is room to show the entire

form on the right size of the report.

Is there a way to force the form to always appear in a specific

location? Currently, when the form is opened, it appears in the upper

left of the window.  I would like to have it always appear on the

right side of the report.

Thanks,

Brad Marks  

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Sep 28 23:16:51 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 22:16:51 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know
In-Reply-To: <57E8C367.16956.23423F1B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
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Of course we can always use PostgreSQL. It may be a bit like bringing a bulldozer to a job that can be done with a shovel but the price is right

https://www.postgresql.org/download/windows/

Jim

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Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2016 11:42:47 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know

Hi Doug,

"High concurrency"  here means multiple threads or processes on the same machine 
accessing the datafile.     

See the bits on that page that metion client/server for multi-user considerations.  Not optimal.

 So no, I've never developed a multi-user SQLite application and have no intention of ever 
doing so.' 

But if you really want or need to work with SQLite data files in client/server mode, you could 
check out SQLitening (developed by some very good PowerBASIC programmers)


SQLitening Database System

SQLitening is a client/server implementation of the very popular SQLite database.

SQLitening is a programmer's library in standard Win32 DLL form. It is installed as a 
standard Windows Service. In addition to client/server mode, the library allows the 
programmer to also access SQLite databases in local mode. In either mode (local or 
client/server), the database is extremely fast and robust.

Installation is a breeze - you simply copy a couple of DLL's to the folder where your 
application resides. If you work in client/server mode, you create a folder on your server and 
start the SQLitening Windows Service from the Administration program. You may need to 
modify the standard configuration text file to set permissions and port numbers/host names. 
Simple.

Download via the sqlitening support site. Check it out at:  http://www.sqlitening.com


On 25 Sep 2016 at 22:58, Doug Steele wrote:

> Hi Stuart:
> 
> I was under the impression that SQLite couldn't be used as the BE for
> multi-user applications, but that web page just says it shouldn't be
> used for 'high concurrency' applications.  None of my MS Access client
> usage could ever be considered high concurrency (one or two people
> entering orders while talking on the phone...). Have you any
> experience with SQLite multi-user BEs?
> 
> Doug
> 
> On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Stuart McLachlan
> <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:
> 
> > That sums it up very well.   It does have a lot of uses.
> >
> > On 25 Sep 2016 at 22:10, Doug Steele wrote:
> >
> > > By coincidence, this just came up on HackerNews:
> > >
> > > https://sqlite.org/whentouse.html
> > >
> > > Doug
> > >
> > > On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 4:43 AM, Stuart McLachlan
> > > <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Oh yes, I forgot to mention triggers and in-memory databases  :)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 24 Sep 2016 at 21:38, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I agree it's not a good alternative for multi user systems,
> > > > > but SQLite is an excellent solution for  single user
> > > > > applications. There are reasons why it is so ubiquitous.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's free.  :)
> > > > >
> > > > > The same database file is usable on many platforms including
> > > > > Windows, Linux,Android and iOS.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's fast, lightweight and versatile.
> > > > >
> > > > > For Windows, it's just one native 500KB DLL and no
> > > > > dependencies.
> > > > >
> > > > > While it doesn't have a huge range of dataypes, there's not
> > > > > much that you can't do with a 8 bytes integers and floats
> > > > > (twice the size that Access offers) and  a default maximum
> > > > > size for text  of 1 billion characters (try indexinga field of
> > > > >  more than 255 characters in Access), and the same size of
> > > > > BLOBs.  There are plenty of built in functions for Date
> > > > > manipulation that make the use of a dedicated Date/Time
> > > > > datatypes unnecessary  including UnixTime (which is a real
> > > > > PITA to handle in Access).
> > > > >
> > > > > You're right that many (including me) use it because we "don't
> > > > > know any better".  That's because in its niche, there is no
> > > > > better.
> > > > >
> > > > > :)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 24 Sep 2016 at 8:35, Gustav Brock wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Arthur
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I can't add much to the comments already posted, except for
> > > > > > one thing: SQLite is certainly not an alternative for an
> > > > > > accdb or any other decent database as SQLite is severely
> > > > > > limited regarding data types. In fact, I think why so many
> > > > > > use it, is only because they just don't know better.
> > > > > >
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Sep 29 17:33:36 2016
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 22:33:36 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know
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Re: SQL Server.

Have a similar issue.  The drivers that I have found help push folks into SQL Server MS are thing like:

 - can run other processes whist running a query in SQL Server (can't do that in Access)
 - Search and replace in the SQL text editor within the UI
 - Faster to run queries (usually).

Anyway....  There are others, but am in a hurry.

Cheers
Darryl.

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From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't know

I prefer 2010 over 2007, but prefer the layout of 2003 and earlier versions.

I really don't do too much in Access these days, more SQL Server.

I'm trying to convert the rest of my co-workers over to SQL Server Management Studio, but I can't get them to get away from the Access QBE / GUI.

They love linked tables/views and doing everything from Access.

:(

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 7:23 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

> David,
>
>  Not sure if you consider A2010 "good" or not, but A2010 was the last 
> version that had support for ADP's, replication, .DBF's, and JET 3.x.
> Here's the list of everything that was dropped starting with A2013:
>
> https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Discontinued-
> features-and-modified-
> functionality-in-Access-2013-BC006FC3-5B48-499E-8C7D-9A2DFEF68E2F
>
>  and FWIW, A2010 is pretty solid on the desktop side as long as you 
> moving forward.  Most of the issues with it were related to folks 
> using 2010 and then trying to drop back to 2007.
>
> Jim.
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> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of David McAfee
> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 03:18 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Basic Question (Probably) that I just don't 
> know
>
> Jim, I think you meant to say:
>  A2010 was the last good version of Access.
>
> Actually:
>  A2003 was the last good version of Access.  ;)
>
> I miss ADPs.
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> > <<
> > 1. Does Access still support replication?
> > >>
> >
> >  Starting with A2013, no.  A2010 was the last "full feature" version 
> > of Access.  Replication was dropped along with ADP's.
> >
> > <<
> > 2. Why would a seasoned developer would choose an MDB or ACCDB back 
> > end when so many actual database servers for free (SQL Express, 
> > MySQL,
> MariaDB,
> > PostGreSQL, SQLite... the list goes on),
> > >>
> >
> >  A seasoned developer probably would not.
> >
> >  Only thing I could think of is if someone wanted to take advantage 
> > of something in ACE which is not in any other DB (say the attachment 
> > data type), which is being driven by a customer requirement.
> >
> >  The other reasons might be data type incompatibility (i.e. the fun 
> > you
> can
> > have with floating point and bit fields), and last but not least, 
> > just
> ease
> > of use.   Even today, there is still a niche (now very small though)
> where
> > a
> > ACE DB BE might make sense.  Someone with no real IT staff, small 
> > databases, and small number of users.
> >
> >  But more often that not, some other BE is the way to go as you say.
> >
> > <<
> > One last thought: the port from an Access BE to a genuine server DB 
> > facilitates the move to web/mobile apps, and that is a
> rapidly-increasing,
> > even dominant market segment. So Access developers have to be 
> > planning an Exit Strategy, since it is quite clear that MS has 
> > little or no interest
> in
> > providing one.
> > >>
> >
> >  I can't say much on that front other than to say pay attention to 
> > what
> is
> > being asked for on Access user voice:
> >
> > https://access.uservoice.com
> >
> >
> >  You'll find that what most are looking for is improvements in the
> desktop
> > and I think Microsoft is listening to that.  While some people are
> looking
> > for a web product, most seem to want enhancements in the desktop product.
> >
> >  Web apps are certainly gaining ground, in many businesses it's 
> > still a more traditional approach to applications for back office 
> > work.
> >
> > Jim.
> >
> >
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