From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sat Apr  1 22:03:39 2017
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2017 23:03:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Report data changes when printing
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Can you close the report / reopen it before printing?

On 3/29/2017 11:51 AM, Ryan W wrote:
> An interesting little thing I caught the other day...  we never experienced
> this before because we always used overlapping window interfaces and it
> made it harder to 'multitask' that way.
>
> I have a form that builds two temp tables based on some criteria you feed
> it. Then the user selects 4 targets to report from the list.
>
>
> The report has 4 dynamic fields that get their caption on the Report_Open
> event because the data is pivoted across 4 data points and as far as I know
> the only way to make the dynamically named column headers is to loop
> through the a recordset and set the "Caption" property each of the 4 text
> boxes at that time.
>
> When you hit the print report button the report comes up in print preview
> mode. Ok everything is good at that point.
>
> But....
>
> If the user goes back to the FORM tab and unchecks the 4 selected options
> (which make the 4 textbox captions) and selects 4 DIFFERENT ones and
> presses the "print" button again, from a VISUAL standpoint nothing has
> changed.. it just simply re-focuses the report that was left open.
>
> Until..... the user prints it.  Then the pivot/transform data has changed
> but the header has not because that was done on Report_Open time.
>
> So, I guess really my question or remark is:
>
> Why does MS Access "Requery" the report recordset when printing, and not
> simply print what is on screen?
>
>
> I've already come up with a number of fixes for this:
>
> 1) If the report loses focus, close it.
> 2) If somehow that doesn't work, next time the user presses the print
> button if the report .IsLoaded, close it.
>
>
> So all of this brings up an interesting point that I assume could also
> cause grief. If for some reason one user had a report up but neglected to
> print it and another user changed some of the data that the report is using
> BEFORE the original user hit print it may change the report data. However
> unlikely that is.

-- 
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From wrwehler at gmail.com  Sat Apr  1 22:21:03 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan W)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2017 22:21:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Report data changes when printing
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I'm now doing that via a lost focus event to keep the underlying data from changing with the report open. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 1, 2017, at 10:03 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Can you close the report / reopen it before printing?
> 
>> On 3/29/2017 11:51 AM, Ryan W wrote:
>> An interesting little thing I caught the other day...  we never experienced
>> this before because we always used overlapping window interfaces and it
>> made it harder to 'multitask' that way.
>> 
>> I have a form that builds two temp tables based on some criteria you feed
>> it. Then the user selects 4 targets to report from the list.
>> 
>> 
>> The report has 4 dynamic fields that get their caption on the Report_Open
>> event because the data is pivoted across 4 data points and as far as I know
>> the only way to make the dynamically named column headers is to loop
>> through the a recordset and set the "Caption" property each of the 4 text
>> boxes at that time.
>> 
>> When you hit the print report button the report comes up in print preview
>> mode. Ok everything is good at that point.
>> 
>> But....
>> 
>> If the user goes back to the FORM tab and unchecks the 4 selected options
>> (which make the 4 textbox captions) and selects 4 DIFFERENT ones and
>> presses the "print" button again, from a VISUAL standpoint nothing has
>> changed.. it just simply re-focuses the report that was left open.
>> 
>> Until..... the user prints it.  Then the pivot/transform data has changed
>> but the header has not because that was done on Report_Open time.
>> 
>> So, I guess really my question or remark is:
>> 
>> Why does MS Access "Requery" the report recordset when printing, and not
>> simply print what is on screen?
>> 
>> 
>> I've already come up with a number of fixes for this:
>> 
>> 1) If the report loses focus, close it.
>> 2) If somehow that doesn't work, next time the user presses the print
>> button if the report .IsLoaded, close it.
>> 
>> 
>> So all of this brings up an interesting point that I assume could also
>> cause grief. If for some reason one user had a report up but neglected to
>> print it and another user changed some of the data that the report is using
>> BEFORE the original user hit print it may change the report data. However
>> unlikely that is.
> 
> -- 
> John W. Colby
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Apr  2 22:58:58 2017
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2017 21:58:58 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
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Is the application any good?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan W" <wrwehler at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 12:15:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365

Is this their very late response to Oracle APEX?


On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> What is "Power Apps"?
>
> Please explain more...I am very interested in hear about the Access
> replacement.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 11:16:48 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
>
> Hi all
>
> Not that I have used these ? as little as the former attempts to bring
> Access to the web ? but they will be phased out soon:
>
> https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Office-
> Retirement-Blog/Updating-the-Access-Services-in-SharePoint-
> Roadmap/ba-p/57148
>
> The suggested ?replacement?, not related to Access at all, is Power Apps.
>
> /gustav
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Apr  2 23:37:35 2017
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2017 22:37:35 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
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Back in the day, I wrote a web app, in place of a desktop app for a small office. 

The program was meant to only run within their office. Their reasoning for doing this was they wanted to be able to leverage their older equipment, not have to pay licences for every one of their computers and be able to update everyone in the office instantly.

It was a difficult job at the time as not all browsers were created equal, input menus required so much custom code, no fancy tools and using the old ASP was hardly secure but we did have a MS SQL BE.

So unless this new app can be as easy to use as MS Access, desktop edition...virtually drag and drop...what advantages would it have over the new web interfaces? Given the latest developer preferences in designing applications, taken from last year's (2016), StackOverflow report, on the state of the industry, it would appear the train has left the station...some time ago. 

All that said, I have downloaded the application, PowerApps but found I had to remote to a Windows10 computer as it wouldn't do so on my Linux laptop. I will then transfer the studio edition to another Linux box and test it there... I will let you know how it goes later this week once I have it up and running...or not. ;-)
  
Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 12:16:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365

Power Apps is Microsoft's next gen tool for creating apps in the web and
mobile worlds:

https://powerapps.microsoft.com/en-us/

 Again with the promise of "writing apps without code"....gosh, how many
times have we heard that!

 While they are a bit late to the party, if they can develop Power Apps
quickly enough, then they still might have a seat at the dinner table.

 And to be clear, this announcement does not impact the Access Desktop at
all.   This is strictly the web stuff.  But looking into the crystal ball, I
doubt you'll see much more effort put into the Access Desktop when we get a
few more years down the road.  Microsoft seems to be making a big bet on
Power Apps as whole, but it's not ready for prime time yet, so some things
will need to be carried along for a bit.

 That seems to be what's going on with the Access Desktop.   After years of
"no new development on the desktop product", we are now seeing some hefty
changes being made, which is good news for me.

 Probably can retire before I need to learn another new product ;)

Jim.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 02:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365

What is "Power Apps"?

Please explain more...I am very interested in hear about the Access
replacement.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 11:16:48 PM
Subject: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365

Hi all

Not that I have used these - as little as the former attempts to bring
Access to the web - but they will be phased out soon:

https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Office-Retirement-Blog/Updating-the-A
ccess-Services-in-SharePoint-Roadmap/ba-p/57148

The suggested "replacement", not related to Access at all, is Power Apps.

/gustav
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Apr  3 08:49:59 2017
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 09:49:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
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 Yes.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Ryan W
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 03:16 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365

Is this their very late response to Oracle APEX?


On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> What is "Power Apps"?
>
> Please explain more...I am very interested in hear about the Access
> replacement.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 11:16:48 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
>
> Hi all
>
> Not that I have used these - as little as the former attempts to bring
> Access to the web - but they will be phased out soon:
>
> https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Office-
> Retirement-Blog/Updating-the-Access-Services-in-SharePoint-
> Roadmap/ba-p/57148
>
> The suggested "replacement", not related to Access at all, is Power Apps.
>
> /gustav
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Apr  3 08:49:59 2017
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 09:49:59 -0400
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 Not at present.  They need to do some more work on it.   Right now, I'd
class it as the Alpha version of a product

 Their doing what they do with every product and just like they did with
Access 1.x.  Access 1.x was severely restricted.   If wasn't until Access
2.0 that things really got interesting.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 11:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365

Is the application any good?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan W" <wrwehler at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 12:15:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365

Is this their very late response to Oracle APEX?


On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> What is "Power Apps"?
>
> Please explain more...I am very interested in hear about the Access
> replacement.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 11:16:48 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
>
> Hi all
>
> Not that I have used these - as little as the former attempts to bring
> Access to the web - but they will be phased out soon:
>
> https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Office-
> Retirement-Blog/Updating-the-Access-Services-in-SharePoint-
> Roadmap/ba-p/57148
>
> The suggested "replacement", not related to Access at all, is Power Apps.
>
> /gustav
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From wrwehler at gmail.com  Mon Apr  3 08:52:09 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan W)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 08:52:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
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Ugh.  That's pretty sad.


On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 8:49 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>  Yes.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Ryan W
> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 03:16 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
>
> Is this their very late response to Oracle APEX?
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > What is "Power Apps"?
> >
> > Please explain more...I am very interested in hear about the Access
> > replacement.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
> > accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 11:16:48 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > Not that I have used these - as little as the former attempts to bring
> > Access to the web - but they will be phased out soon:
> >
> > https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Office-
> > Retirement-Blog/Updating-the-Access-Services-in-SharePoint-
> > Roadmap/ba-p/57148
> >
> > The suggested "replacement", not related to Access at all, is Power Apps.
> >
> > /gustav
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Apr  3 09:11:46 2017
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 10:11:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
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 Unfortunately Microsoft's approach to "end user" web development wasn't
very cohesive.

 They tried to bring Light switch in as a replacement for desktop Access and
were pushing AWA for the web/mobile world.  They have been fooling around
with that since 2006 and were already late to the party then. The real issue
with AWA is that rather than thinking out of the box, they tried to leverage
SharePoint once again.

 Not sure who's responsible for that, but someone at Microsoft thought
SharePoint was the center of the universe and should be used for
*everything*.  Fantastic workflow collaboration tool, but relational DB or
web host it is not.

 I do however still believe they have a shot at it.  If they can develop
something for the Web/Mobile world with the tenets of Access (ease of use
through wizards, etc) and make it easy for the common Joe/Josephine to get
started, then they can still grab a seat at the table.  They'll have to do
it very fast though, and it does seem like they realize that as they seem to
be all in in regards to Power Apps.  

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
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Ryan W
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 09:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365

Ugh.  That's pretty sad.


On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 8:49 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>  Yes.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Ryan W
> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 03:16 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
>
> Is this their very late response to Oracle APEX?
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > What is "Power Apps"?
> >
> > Please explain more...I am very interested in hear about the Access
> > replacement.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
> > accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 11:16:48 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > Not that I have used these - as little as the former attempts to bring
> > Access to the web - but they will be phased out soon:
> >
> > https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Office-
> > Retirement-Blog/Updating-the-Access-Services-in-SharePoint-
> > Roadmap/ba-p/57148
> >
> > The suggested "replacement", not related to Access at all, is Power
Apps.
> >
> > /gustav
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From wrwehler at gmail.com  Mon Apr  3 09:17:24 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan W)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 09:17:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
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It would be really nice if they had a way to import a Access FE in and
somehow convert it all to web.  I've been wanting a way to ditch Access
without completely redeveloping my App in something cross platform (Web
would be ideal)... but that's just a silly pipe dream.


On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>  Unfortunately Microsoft's approach to "end user" web development wasn't
> very cohesive.
>
>  They tried to bring Light switch in as a replacement for desktop Access
> and
> were pushing AWA for the web/mobile world.  They have been fooling around
> with that since 2006 and were already late to the party then. The real
> issue
> with AWA is that rather than thinking out of the box, they tried to
> leverage
> SharePoint once again.
>
>  Not sure who's responsible for that, but someone at Microsoft thought
> SharePoint was the center of the universe and should be used for
> *everything*.  Fantastic workflow collaboration tool, but relational DB or
> web host it is not.
>
>  I do however still believe they have a shot at it.  If they can develop
> something for the Web/Mobile world with the tenets of Access (ease of use
> through wizards, etc) and make it easy for the common Joe/Josephine to get
> started, then they can still grab a seat at the table.  They'll have to do
> it very fast though, and it does seem like they realize that as they seem
> to
> be all in in regards to Power Apps.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Ryan W
> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 09:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
>
> Ugh.  That's pretty sad.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 8:49 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >  Yes.
> >
> > Jim.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Ryan W
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 03:16 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
> >
> > Is this their very late response to Oracle APEX?
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > What is "Power Apps"?
> > >
> > > Please explain more...I am very interested in hear about the Access
> > > replacement.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
> > > accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 11:16:48 PM
> > > Subject: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
> > >
> > > Hi all
> > >
> > > Not that I have used these - as little as the former attempts to bring
> > > Access to the web - but they will be phased out soon:
> > >
> > > https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Office-
> > > Retirement-Blog/Updating-the-Access-Services-in-SharePoint-
> > > Roadmap/ba-p/57148
> > >
> > > The suggested "replacement", not related to Access at all, is Power
> Apps.
> > >
> > > /gustav
> > > --
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> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Apr  3 09:28:01 2017
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 10:28:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+cAAe6Lq8QSxy3XJj_FzX-gZc_V08EkyD-F2id9ALJJ6w@mail.gmail.com>

>
> That's what Access Web Apps was intended to do I think. It just "does"
> everything, but they goofed by not allowing any language development. I
> have a small web app I use, but the basic forms are enough. Most db apps
> truly aren't so easy and simple to implement.
>

Susan H.


>
>  I do however still believe they have a shot at it.  If they can develop
> something for the Web/Mobile world with the tenets of Access (ease of use
> through wizards, etc) and make it easy for the common Joe/Josephine to get
> started, then they can still grab a seat at the table.  They'll have to do
> it very fast though, and it does seem like they realize that as they seem
> to
> be all in in regards to Power Apps.
>
> Jim.
>
>

From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Apr  3 09:57:34 2017
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 10:57:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
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<<but that's just a silly pipe dream.>>

 Not as much as one would think:

www.eqldata.com

 Two guys figured out how to do that; you think Microsoft could.

 Not that is overly simplistic and doesn't truly bring you into the
web/mobile world, but letting existing apps run in a web browser would have
breathed life into Access for quite some time.

 And this is the part that Microsoft doesn't get and never does; people run
their businesses with Access, have ten's or even hundred's of thousands of
dollars into them and years in development efforts, which they don't want to
simply toss away.

 But they always treat it as if it was just installing another version of
Office.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Ryan W
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 10:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365

It would be really nice if they had a way to import a Access FE in and
somehow convert it all to web.  I've been wanting a way to ditch Access
without completely redeveloping my App in something cross platform (Web
would be ideal)... but that's just a silly pipe dream.


On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>  Unfortunately Microsoft's approach to "end user" web development wasn't
> very cohesive.
>
>  They tried to bring Light switch in as a replacement for desktop Access
> and
> were pushing AWA for the web/mobile world.  They have been fooling around
> with that since 2006 and were already late to the party then. The real
> issue
> with AWA is that rather than thinking out of the box, they tried to
> leverage
> SharePoint once again.
>
>  Not sure who's responsible for that, but someone at Microsoft thought
> SharePoint was the center of the universe and should be used for
> *everything*.  Fantastic workflow collaboration tool, but relational DB or
> web host it is not.
>
>  I do however still believe they have a shot at it.  If they can develop
> something for the Web/Mobile world with the tenets of Access (ease of use
> through wizards, etc) and make it easy for the common Joe/Josephine to get
> started, then they can still grab a seat at the table.  They'll have to do
> it very fast though, and it does seem like they realize that as they seem
> to
> be all in in regards to Power Apps.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Ryan W
> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 09:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
>
> Ugh.  That's pretty sad.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 8:49 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >  Yes.
> >
> > Jim.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Ryan W
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 03:16 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
> >
> > Is this their very late response to Oracle APEX?
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > What is "Power Apps"?
> > >
> > > Please explain more...I am very interested in hear about the Access
> > > replacement.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
> > > accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 11:16:48 PM
> > > Subject: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
> > >
> > > Hi all
> > >
> > > Not that I have used these - as little as the former attempts to bring
> > > Access to the web - but they will be phased out soon:
> > >
> > > https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Office-
> > > Retirement-Blog/Updating-the-Access-Services-in-SharePoint-
> > > Roadmap/ba-p/57148
> > >
> > > The suggested "replacement", not related to Access at all, is Power
> Apps.
> > >
> > > /gustav
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
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> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
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> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Apr  3 10:10:44 2017
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 11:10:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
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 I actually took you comment wrong; this is not a method to convert an
Access DB, but rather simply use one "as is".

 The rub with any conversion (and why no one has done it) is that the two
worlds operate in fundamentally different ways.  Almost nothing translates.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Dettman
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 10:58 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365

<<but that's just a silly pipe dream.>>

 Not as much as one would think:

www.eqldata.com

 Two guys figured out how to do that; you think Microsoft could.

 Not that is overly simplistic and doesn't truly bring you into the
web/mobile world, but letting existing apps run in a web browser would have
breathed life into Access for quite some time.

 And this is the part that Microsoft doesn't get and never does; people run
their businesses with Access, have ten's or even hundred's of thousands of
dollars into them and years in development efforts, which they don't want to
simply toss away.

 But they always treat it as if it was just installing another version of
Office.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Ryan W
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 10:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365

It would be really nice if they had a way to import a Access FE in and
somehow convert it all to web.  I've been wanting a way to ditch Access
without completely redeveloping my App in something cross platform (Web
would be ideal)... but that's just a silly pipe dream.


On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>  Unfortunately Microsoft's approach to "end user" web development wasn't
> very cohesive.
>
>  They tried to bring Light switch in as a replacement for desktop Access
> and
> were pushing AWA for the web/mobile world.  They have been fooling around
> with that since 2006 and were already late to the party then. The real
> issue
> with AWA is that rather than thinking out of the box, they tried to
> leverage
> SharePoint once again.
>
>  Not sure who's responsible for that, but someone at Microsoft thought
> SharePoint was the center of the universe and should be used for
> *everything*.  Fantastic workflow collaboration tool, but relational DB or
> web host it is not.
>
>  I do however still believe they have a shot at it.  If they can develop
> something for the Web/Mobile world with the tenets of Access (ease of use
> through wizards, etc) and make it easy for the common Joe/Josephine to get
> started, then they can still grab a seat at the table.  They'll have to do
> it very fast though, and it does seem like they realize that as they seem
> to
> be all in in regards to Power Apps.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Ryan W
> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 09:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
>
> Ugh.  That's pretty sad.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 8:49 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >  Yes.
> >
> > Jim.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Ryan W
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 03:16 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
> >
> > Is this their very late response to Oracle APEX?
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > What is "Power Apps"?
> > >
> > > Please explain more...I am very interested in hear about the Access
> > > replacement.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
> > > accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 11:16:48 PM
> > > Subject: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
> > >
> > > Hi all
> > >
> > > Not that I have used these - as little as the former attempts to bring
> > > Access to the web - but they will be phased out soon:
> > >
> > > https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Office-
> > > Retirement-Blog/Updating-the-Access-Services-in-SharePoint-
> > > Roadmap/ba-p/57148
> > >
> > > The suggested "replacement", not related to Access at all, is Power
> Apps.
> > >
> > > /gustav
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Apr  3 12:33:05 2017
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 11:33:05 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
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I have been thinking like you on this subject for some time. IMHO, such an app could be assembled with our current technology. The only reason this has not been done is that anything webbased is hard for a company to attach a dollar value to and then be able to extract that fee. In order for Microsoft to guarantee a good profit on any of their applications, they must be tethered them to their desktop and only their desktop. It is nearly impossible to monetize the internet as all the easy profit streams already have well established companies in place.

I think that is the real problem.

Aside: IMHO, I think Microsoft should go the Redhat route; just do product support: http://cnb.cx/2ou233G . RHEL has just replaced all the server software, up at our local university. Redhat are charging about $800 to a thousand, per unit, per year, for support...I would bet there are thousands of servers up there(?). Microsoft could have had that contract, easy, if they were on the ball but according to a friend, at UVic, their pricing structures were too complex and their service had been poor in the past. I am sure MS will be back, as they can't let a coup like that happen in their backyard but it will now cost the company a fortune. (It officially cost MS around a 100 million (the real figures are supposed to be much higher) to get Munich, Germany, back from the grips of a competitor and the competition was hardly a challenge.) Microsoft is virtually giving away millions of Windows10 packages, in China and making all sorts of design concessions as demanded by the Chinese government. This is all in an effort to have a place from which to sell their biggest product, MS Office... unfortunately, without the ultimate universal database front-end application, Access.

Jim
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan W" <wrwehler at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 7:17:24 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365

It would be really nice if they had a way to import a Access FE in and
somehow convert it all to web.  I've been wanting a way to ditch Access
without completely redeveloping my App in something cross platform (Web
would be ideal)... but that's just a silly pipe dream.


On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>  Unfortunately Microsoft's approach to "end user" web development wasn't
> very cohesive.
>
>  They tried to bring Light switch in as a replacement for desktop Access
> and
> were pushing AWA for the web/mobile world.  They have been fooling around
> with that since 2006 and were already late to the party then. The real
> issue
> with AWA is that rather than thinking out of the box, they tried to
> leverage
> SharePoint once again.
>
>  Not sure who's responsible for that, but someone at Microsoft thought
> SharePoint was the center of the universe and should be used for
> *everything*.  Fantastic workflow collaboration tool, but relational DB or
> web host it is not.
>
>  I do however still believe they have a shot at it.  If they can develop
> something for the Web/Mobile world with the tenets of Access (ease of use
> through wizards, etc) and make it easy for the common Joe/Josephine to get
> started, then they can still grab a seat at the table.  They'll have to do
> it very fast though, and it does seem like they realize that as they seem
> to
> be all in in regards to Power Apps.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Ryan W
> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 09:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
>
> Ugh.  That's pretty sad.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 8:49 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >  Yes.
> >
> > Jim.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Ryan W
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 03:16 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
> >
> > Is this their very late response to Oracle APEX?
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > What is "Power Apps"?
> > >
> > > Please explain more...I am very interested in hear about the Access
> > > replacement.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
> > > accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 11:16:48 PM
> > > Subject: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
> > >
> > > Hi all
> > >
> > > Not that I have used these - as little as the former attempts to bring
> > > Access to the web - but they will be phased out soon:
> > >
> > > https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Office-
> > > Retirement-Blog/Updating-the-Access-Services-in-SharePoint-
> > > Roadmap/ba-p/57148
> > >
> > > The suggested "replacement", not related to Access at all, is Power
> Apps.
> > >
> > > /gustav
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > > --
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> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > --
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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From bradm at blackforestltd.com  Mon Apr  3 13:21:19 2017
From: bradm at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 18:21:19 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Access and Trello
Message-ID: <MWHPR05MB324618D3200CF6A5269BF77ECF080@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

All,

A friend recently introduced me to Trello which is a very nice free cloud-based project management system.  I have started to experiment with Trello and the more I work with it, the more I like it.  I am starting to use it both at work and on the home front to keep track of projects, tasks, to-do lists, vacation plans, etc, etc. 

I have two questions.

Is anyone else here in AccessD using Trello?

If so, has anyone experimented with the Trello APIs?  I would like learn more about exchanging data between Microsoft Access and Trello.

Thanks,
Brad


From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Apr  3 13:34:43 2017
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 12:34:43 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
In-Reply-To: <0A6C9CF9EE114CAD8BC764B22D59A1BD@XPS>
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Have you tried using eqldata yet? Their pricing model seems interesting:

"Pay only for what you use. OnWeb's concurrent user pricing means you only pay for the time users actively run your web databases - we don't charge for inactive users."

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 7:57:34 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365

<>

 Not as much as one would think:

www.eqldata.com

 Two guys figured out how to do that; you think Microsoft could.

 Not that is overly simplistic and doesn't truly bring you into the
web/mobile world, but letting existing apps run in a web browser would have
breathed life into Access for quite some time.

 And this is the part that Microsoft doesn't get and never does; people run
their businesses with Access, have ten's or even hundred's of thousands of
dollars into them and years in development efforts, which they don't want to
simply toss away.

 But they always treat it as if it was just installing another version of
Office.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Ryan W
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 10:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365

It would be really nice if they had a way to import a Access FE in and
somehow convert it all to web.  I've been wanting a way to ditch Access
without completely redeveloping my App in something cross platform (Web
would be ideal)... but that's just a silly pipe dream.


On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>  Unfortunately Microsoft's approach to "end user" web development wasn't
> very cohesive.
>
>  They tried to bring Light switch in as a replacement for desktop Access
> and
> were pushing AWA for the web/mobile world.  They have been fooling around
> with that since 2006 and were already late to the party then. The real
> issue
> with AWA is that rather than thinking out of the box, they tried to
> leverage
> SharePoint once again.
>
>  Not sure who's responsible for that, but someone at Microsoft thought
> SharePoint was the center of the universe and should be used for
> *everything*.  Fantastic workflow collaboration tool, but relational DB or
> web host it is not.
>
>  I do however still believe they have a shot at it.  If they can develop
> something for the Web/Mobile world with the tenets of Access (ease of use
> through wizards, etc) and make it easy for the common Joe/Josephine to get
> started, then they can still grab a seat at the table.  They'll have to do
> it very fast though, and it does seem like they realize that as they seem
> to
> be all in in regards to Power Apps.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Ryan W
> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 09:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
>
> Ugh.  That's pretty sad.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 8:49 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >  Yes.
> >
> > Jim.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Ryan W
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 03:16 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
> >
> > Is this their very late response to Oracle APEX?
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > What is "Power Apps"?
> > >
> > > Please explain more...I am very interested in hear about the Access
> > > replacement.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
> > > accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 11:16:48 PM
> > > Subject: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
> > >
> > > Hi all
> > >
> > > Not that I have used these - as little as the former attempts to bring
> > > Access to the web - but they will be phased out soon:
> > >
> > > https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Office-
> > > Retirement-Blog/Updating-the-Access-Services-in-SharePoint-
> > > Roadmap/ba-p/57148
> > >
> > > The suggested "replacement", not related to Access at all, is Power
> Apps.
> > >
> > > /gustav
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> >
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Apr  3 14:57:04 2017
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 13:57:04 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Access and Trello
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR05MB324618D3200CF6A5269BF77ECF080@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR05MB324618D3200CF6A5269BF77ECF080@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <512434621.49421154.1491249424580.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Hi Brad:

Trello looks like a very interesting package. 

I have been using NextCloud (https://nextcloud.com/) in the same fashion. My current version is running off a Raspberry PI3, with a 2 TB portable hard drive connected...and "yes" it is more than adequate. Right now the family has just been using it to sync music and pictures between family members but I understand it has the capability of running fully collaborative projects like coding, documents, spreadsheets and project management. The main reason I like NextCloud is because it can be downloaded and run on your own equipment. The draw back is that the performance is limited to the bandwidth you have. Of course if the product is being principally used within a network, there are no such issues.

I was using ownCloud, for managing our vacation planning, last year, before the product forked but I think the NextCloud iteration is superior in design and performance.

Trello, may have some extra management features but I will have to check it out before any conclusions, but it does look like a package well worth investigating.

Jim   

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad Marks" <bradm at blackforestltd.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 11:21:19 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Access and Trello

All,

A friend recently introduced me to Trello which is a very nice free cloud-based project management system.  I have started to experiment with Trello and the more I work with it, the more I like it.  I am starting to use it both at work and on the home front to keep track of projects, tasks, to-do lists, vacation plans, etc, etc. 

I have two questions.

Is anyone else here in AccessD using Trello?

If so, has anyone experimented with the Trello APIs?  I would like learn more about exchanging data between Microsoft Access and Trello.

Thanks,
Brad

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From bradm at blackforestltd.com  Mon Apr  3 15:09:21 2017
From: bradm at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 20:09:21 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Access and Trello
In-Reply-To: <512434621.49421154.1491249424580.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <MWHPR05MB324618D3200CF6A5269BF77ECF080@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
	<512434621.49421154.1491249424580.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <MWHPR05MB32463BF3A53B33C5437A3DA2CF080@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Jim,

I am not familiar with NextCloud but I may take a look at it.  The picture keeps changing with Cloud-based applications.

One of the things that I really like about Trello is that it is very "visually based" and therefore easy to use.

Also, Trello is accessible on various devices (iphone, iPad, Android phones, Apple computers, Windows PCs, etc).  I use a Windows PC and an Android tablet.  My wife has an iPhone and an iPad.

Over the years, I have tried to become more organized both at work and at home via various methods (writing on napkins, sticky notes, files in Drop-Box, 80 column computer cards - not kidding, Word documents, Excel files, etc, etc.)   I think that I have finally found something that is much much better than the methods that I have used in the past.    

Brad 






-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 2:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Microsoft Access and Trello

Hi Brad:

Trello looks like a very interesting package. 

I have been using NextCloud (https://nextcloud.com/) in the same fashion. My current version is running off a Raspberry PI3, with a 2 TB portable hard drive connected...and "yes" it is more than adequate. Right now the family has just been using it to sync music and pictures between family members but I understand it has the capability of running fully collaborative projects like coding, documents, spreadsheets and project management. The main reason I like NextCloud is because it can be downloaded and run on your own equipment. The draw back is that the performance is limited to the bandwidth you have. Of course if the product is being principally used within a network, there are no such issues.

I was using ownCloud, for managing our vacation planning, last year, before the product forked but I think the NextCloud iteration is superior in design and performance.

Trello, may have some extra management features but I will have to check it out before any conclusions, but it does look like a package well worth investigating.

Jim   

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad Marks" <bradm at blackforestltd.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 11:21:19 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Access and Trello

All,

A friend recently introduced me to Trello which is a very nice free cloud-based project management system.  I have started to experiment with Trello and the more I work with it, the more I like it.  I am starting to use it both at work and on the home front to keep track of projects, tasks, to-do lists, vacation plans, etc, etc. 

I have two questions.

Is anyone else here in AccessD using Trello?

If so, has anyone experimented with the Trello APIs?  I would like learn more about exchanging data between Microsoft Access and Trello.

Thanks,
Brad

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From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz  Mon Apr  3 17:27:05 2017
From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2017 10:27:05 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Access and Trello
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR05MB324618D3200CF6A5269BF77ECF080@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR05MB324618D3200CF6A5269BF77ECF080@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <AB1577FC4BC1421481D89B518E3662AF@SteveT540p>

Hi Brad

I have been a Trello fan for a number of years now, and use it daily, 
primarily to keep track of collaboration with various business contractors 
and partners.  I love it, and it provides us with significant efficiencies.

However, I have not explored the API aspect at all, so can't comment on 
that.  I would be interested to hear of your progress if you pursue it.

Thanks.

Regards
Steve


-----Original Message----- 
From: Brad Marks
Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 6:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Access and Trello

All,

A friend recently introduced me to Trello which is a very nice free 
cloud-based project management system.  I have started to experiment with 
Trello and the more I work with it, the more I like it.  I am starting to 
use it both at work and on the home front to keep track of projects, tasks, 
to-do lists, vacation plans, etc, etc.

I have two questions.

Is anyone else here in AccessD using Trello?

If so, has anyone experimented with the Trello APIs?  I would like learn 
more about exchanging data between Microsoft Access and Trello.

Thanks,
Brad

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From marksimms at verizon.net  Mon Apr  3 17:53:29 2017
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2017 18:53:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Access and Trello
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR05MB324618D3200CF6A5269BF77ECF080@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR05MB324618D3200CF6A5269BF77ECF080@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <027301d2accd$1d2c2070$57846150$@net>

Using Rally by CA for agile PM....very nice.
Trello not as sophisticated.



From marksimms at verizon.net  Mon Apr  3 17:57:38 2017
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2017 18:57:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
In-Reply-To: <1081784541.49005783.1491240785121.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
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This is a no-brainer.
It would have been so easy for MSFT to migrate the VBA object model to
Javascript.
And on top of that, create a migration tool. But they did not.

Good reason for that: ASP.NET competition...they would be
competing.....against themselves !!

Instead, they created "Power Apps"...which are weak, weak, weak...no
scripting feature.
As far as I'm concerned....MSFT is a "piece of work".
I would never buy their stock.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 1:33 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
>
> I have been thinking like you on this subject for some time. IMHO, such
> an app could be assembled with our current technology. The only reason
> this has not been done is that anything webbased is hard for a company
> to attach a dollar value to and then be able to extract that fee. In
> order for Microsoft to guarantee a good profit on any of their
> applications, they must be tethered them to their desktop and only
> their desktop. It is nearly impossible to monetize the internet as all
> the easy profit streams already have well established companies in
> place.
>
> I think that is the real problem.
>
> Aside: IMHO, I think Microsoft should go the Redhat route; just do
> product support: http://cnb.cx/2ou233G . RHEL has just replaced all the
> server software, up at our local university. Redhat are charging about
> $800 to a thousand, per unit, per year, for support...I would bet there
> are thousands of servers up there(?). Microsoft could have had that
> contract, easy, if they were on the ball but according to a friend, at
> UVic, their pricing structures were too complex and their service had
> been poor in the past. I am sure MS will be back, as they can't let a
> coup like that happen in their backyard but it will now cost the
> company a fortune. (It officially cost MS around a 100 million (the
> real figures are supposed to be much higher) to get Munich, Germany,
> back from the grips of a competitor and the competition was hardly a
> challenge.) Microsoft is virtually giving away millions of Windows10
> packages, in China and making all sorts of design concessions as
> demanded by the Chinese!
>   government. This is all in an effort to have a place from which to
> sell their biggest product, MS Office... unfortunately, without the
> ultimate universal database front-end application, Access.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ryan W" <wrwehler at gmail.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 7:17:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
>
> It would be really nice if they had a way to import a Access FE in and
> somehow convert it all to web.  I've been wanting a way to ditch Access
> without completely redeveloping my App in something cross platform (Web
> would be ideal)... but that's just a silly pipe dream.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >  Unfortunately Microsoft's approach to "end user" web development
> wasn't
> > very cohesive.
> >
> >  They tried to bring Light switch in as a replacement for desktop
> Access
> > and
> > were pushing AWA for the web/mobile world.  They have been fooling
> around
> > with that since 2006 and were already late to the party then. The
> real
> > issue
> > with AWA is that rather than thinking out of the box, they tried to
> > leverage
> > SharePoint once again.
> >
> >  Not sure who's responsible for that, but someone at Microsoft
> thought
> > SharePoint was the center of the universe and should be used for
> > *everything*.  Fantastic workflow collaboration tool, but relational
> DB or
> > web host it is not.
> >
> >  I do however still believe they have a shot at it.  If they can
> develop
> > something for the Web/Mobile world with the tenets of Access (ease of
> use
> > through wizards, etc) and make it easy for the common Joe/Josephine
> to get
> > started, then they can still grab a seat at the table.  They'll have
> to do
> > it very fast though, and it does seem like they realize that as they
> seem
> > to
> > be all in in regards to Power Apps.
> >
> > Jim.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > Ryan W
> > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 09:52 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
> >
> > Ugh.  That's pretty sad.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 8:49 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >  Yes.
> > >
> > > Jim.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of
> > > Ryan W
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 03:16 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
> > >
> > > Is this their very late response to Oracle APEX?
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > What is "Power Apps"?
> > > >
> > > > Please explain more...I am very interested in hear about the
> Access
> > > > replacement.
> > > >
> > > > Jim
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
> > > > accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 11:16:48 PM
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
> > > >
> > > > Hi all
> > > >
> > > > Not that I have used these - as little as the former attempts to
> bring
> > > > Access to the web - but they will be phased out soon:
> > > >
> > > > https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Office-
> > > > Retirement-Blog/Updating-the-Access-Services-in-SharePoint-
> > > > Roadmap/ba-p/57148
> > > >
> > > > The suggested "replacement", not related to Access at all, is
> Power
> > Apps.
> > > >
> > > > /gustav
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> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Mon Apr  3 19:21:24 2017
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2017 00:21:24 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Access and Trello
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There are a few of these I have tried.  They all have their pros and cons.  I use and like Trello - it is platform agnostic for starters and works well on both my Android phone and windows PC.   

However, I there are others that are worth a look too.  Your mileage will vary depending on what you want to achieve and how you like to organise your tasks / data etc.  I would recommend you try out a few of them and see which one works best for you.

<<https://financesonline.com/top-5-trello-alternatives/>>

If you like Gantt charts and/or working with a spreadsheet layout, Then I recommend you try out Smartsheet

<<https://www.smartsheet.com/>>

They have done a pretty good job with this and the phone app works well too (at least for Android - It might be great for iOS too, but I have no experience of that).  The Gantt chart function is particularly useful and auto adjusts as you move tasks / timelines around.  It is pretty cool.






-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: 4 April, 2017 4:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Access and Trello

All,

A friend recently introduced me to Trello which is a very nice free cloud-based project management system.  I have started to experiment with Trello and the more I work with it, the more I like it.  I am starting to use it both at work and on the home front to keep track of projects, tasks, to-do lists, vacation plans, etc, etc. 

I have two questions.

Is anyone else here in AccessD using Trello?

If so, has anyone experimented with the Trello APIs?  I would like learn more about exchanging data between Microsoft Access and Trello.

Thanks,
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Apr  4 05:57:06 2017
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2017 06:57:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
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I myself have not, but we've had several on EE that have tried them and have
always reported good results.  One has deep knowledge of Access and I trust
his opinion completely.

Some apps required minor modifications, but they were along the lines of
what you'd do for running under terminal services (ie. everyone being on the
C drive, so writing a temp file to C:\temp for every user might cause
conflicts).  

I've also seen some details of the back story and the technology used is
sound.  That's why my comment "Why can't Microsoft do this?".   From a
profit standpoint, they could have done something like this as part of
Office 365 and made a killing on it.   BIG opportunity missed I think.

Eqldata has been have been in business for quite a few years now and it
looks like they are here to stay.  

The only real negative comment has been that it can get pricey for a large
number of remote users.

JimD.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 02:35 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365

Have you tried using eqldata yet? Their pricing model seems interesting:

"Pay only for what you use. OnWeb's concurrent user pricing means you only
pay for the time users actively run your web databases - we don't charge for
inactive users."

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 7:57:34 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365

<>

 Not as much as one would think:

www.eqldata.com

 Two guys figured out how to do that; you think Microsoft could.

 Not that is overly simplistic and doesn't truly bring you into the
web/mobile world, but letting existing apps run in a web browser would have
breathed life into Access for quite some time.

 And this is the part that Microsoft doesn't get and never does; people run
their businesses with Access, have ten's or even hundred's of thousands of
dollars into them and years in development efforts, which they don't want to
simply toss away.

 But they always treat it as if it was just installing another version of
Office.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Ryan W
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 10:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365

It would be really nice if they had a way to import a Access FE in and
somehow convert it all to web.  I've been wanting a way to ditch Access
without completely redeveloping my App in something cross platform (Web
would be ideal)... but that's just a silly pipe dream.


On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>  Unfortunately Microsoft's approach to "end user" web development wasn't
> very cohesive.
>
>  They tried to bring Light switch in as a replacement for desktop Access
> and
> were pushing AWA for the web/mobile world.  They have been fooling around
> with that since 2006 and were already late to the party then. The real
> issue
> with AWA is that rather than thinking out of the box, they tried to
> leverage
> SharePoint once again.
>
>  Not sure who's responsible for that, but someone at Microsoft thought
> SharePoint was the center of the universe and should be used for
> *everything*.  Fantastic workflow collaboration tool, but relational DB or
> web host it is not.
>
>  I do however still believe they have a shot at it.  If they can develop
> something for the Web/Mobile world with the tenets of Access (ease of use
> through wizards, etc) and make it easy for the common Joe/Josephine to get
> started, then they can still grab a seat at the table.  They'll have to do
> it very fast though, and it does seem like they realize that as they seem
> to
> be all in in regards to Power Apps.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Ryan W
> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 09:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
>
> Ugh.  That's pretty sad.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 8:49 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >  Yes.
> >
> > Jim.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Ryan W
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 03:16 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
> >
> > Is this their very late response to Oracle APEX?
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > What is "Power Apps"?
> > >
> > > Please explain more...I am very interested in hear about the Access
> > > replacement.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
> > > accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 11:16:48 PM
> > > Subject: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
> > >
> > > Hi all
> > >
> > > Not that I have used these - as little as the former attempts to bring
> > > Access to the web - but they will be phased out soon:
> > >
> > > https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Office-
> > > Retirement-Blog/Updating-the-Access-Services-in-SharePoint-
> > > Roadmap/ba-p/57148
> > >
> > > The suggested "replacement", not related to Access at all, is Power
> Apps.
> > >
> > > /gustav
> > > --
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> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Apr  4 20:58:24 2017
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2017 19:58:24 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Access and Trello
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Keep me posted on how you like the product. :-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad Marks" <bradm at blackforestltd.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 1:09:21 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Microsoft Access and Trello

Jim,

I am not familiar with NextCloud but I may take a look at it.  The picture keeps changing with Cloud-based applications.

One of the things that I really like about Trello is that it is very "visually based" and therefore easy to use.

Also, Trello is accessible on various devices (iphone, iPad, Android phones, Apple computers, Windows PCs, etc).  I use a Windows PC and an Android tablet.  My wife has an iPhone and an iPad.

Over the years, I have tried to become more organized both at work and at home via various methods (writing on napkins, sticky notes, files in Drop-Box, 80 column computer cards - not kidding, Word documents, Excel files, etc, etc.)   I think that I have finally found something that is much much better than the methods that I have used in the past.    

Brad 






-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 2:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Microsoft Access and Trello

Hi Brad:

Trello looks like a very interesting package. 

I have been using NextCloud (https://nextcloud.com/) in the same fashion. My current version is running off a Raspberry PI3, with a 2 TB portable hard drive connected...and "yes" it is more than adequate. Right now the family has just been using it to sync music and pictures between family members but I understand it has the capability of running fully collaborative projects like coding, documents, spreadsheets and project management. The main reason I like NextCloud is because it can be downloaded and run on your own equipment. The draw back is that the performance is limited to the bandwidth you have. Of course if the product is being principally used within a network, there are no such issues.

I was using ownCloud, for managing our vacation planning, last year, before the product forked but I think the NextCloud iteration is superior in design and performance.

Trello, may have some extra management features but I will have to check it out before any conclusions, but it does look like a package well worth investigating.

Jim   

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad Marks" <bradm at blackforestltd.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 11:21:19 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Access and Trello

All,

A friend recently introduced me to Trello which is a very nice free cloud-based project management system.  I have started to experiment with Trello and the more I work with it, the more I like it.  I am starting to use it both at work and on the home front to keep track of projects, tasks, to-do lists, vacation plans, etc, etc. 

I have two questions.

Is anyone else here in AccessD using Trello?

If so, has anyone experimented with the Trello APIs?  I would like learn more about exchanging data between Microsoft Access and Trello.

Thanks,
Brad

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Apr  4 23:58:09 2017
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2017 22:58:09 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
In-Reply-To: <53E779E05C254A37BC973689CA88F58D@XPS>
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All of these observations that Microsoft could have created such a technology like egldata or created a real web based product did seems odd to me. 

Did MS create a web presence, 365, because it wanted to expand its access to new users or did it create 365 because other companies were creating a usable set of competing web products? Would Microsoft, have stayed the same, changed nothing and advanced nowhere unless they were being forced to do so?

Why would Microsoft abandon a very successful product for something, that I describe as a ridiculous mashup app?

More questions and answers.

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 3:57:06 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365

I myself have not, but we've had several on EE that have tried them and have
always reported good results.  One has deep knowledge of Access and I trust
his opinion completely.

Some apps required minor modifications, but they were along the lines of
what you'd do for running under terminal services (ie. everyone being on the
C drive, so writing a temp file to C:\temp for every user might cause
conflicts).  

I've also seen some details of the back story and the technology used is
sound.  That's why my comment "Why can't Microsoft do this?".   From a
profit standpoint, they could have done something like this as part of
Office 365 and made a killing on it.   BIG opportunity missed I think.

Eqldata has been have been in business for quite a few years now and it
looks like they are here to stay.  

The only real negative comment has been that it can get pricey for a large
number of remote users.

JimD.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 02:35 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365

Have you tried using eqldata yet? Their pricing model seems interesting:

"Pay only for what you use. OnWeb's concurrent user pricing means you only
pay for the time users actively run your web databases - we don't charge for
inactive users."

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 7:57:34 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365

<>

 Not as much as one would think:

www.eqldata.com

 Two guys figured out how to do that; you think Microsoft could.

 Not that is overly simplistic and doesn't truly bring you into the
web/mobile world, but letting existing apps run in a web browser would have
breathed life into Access for quite some time.

 And this is the part that Microsoft doesn't get and never does; people run
their businesses with Access, have ten's or even hundred's of thousands of
dollars into them and years in development efforts, which they don't want to
simply toss away.

 But they always treat it as if it was just installing another version of
Office.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Ryan W
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 10:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365

It would be really nice if they had a way to import a Access FE in and
somehow convert it all to web.  I've been wanting a way to ditch Access
without completely redeveloping my App in something cross platform (Web
would be ideal)... but that's just a silly pipe dream.


On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>  Unfortunately Microsoft's approach to "end user" web development wasn't
> very cohesive.
>
>  They tried to bring Light switch in as a replacement for desktop Access
> and
> were pushing AWA for the web/mobile world.  They have been fooling around
> with that since 2006 and were already late to the party then. The real
> issue
> with AWA is that rather than thinking out of the box, they tried to
> leverage
> SharePoint once again.
>
>  Not sure who's responsible for that, but someone at Microsoft thought
> SharePoint was the center of the universe and should be used for
> *everything*.  Fantastic workflow collaboration tool, but relational DB or
> web host it is not.
>
>  I do however still believe they have a shot at it.  If they can develop
> something for the Web/Mobile world with the tenets of Access (ease of use
> through wizards, etc) and make it easy for the common Joe/Josephine to get
> started, then they can still grab a seat at the table.  They'll have to do
> it very fast though, and it does seem like they realize that as they seem
> to
> be all in in regards to Power Apps.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Ryan W
> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 09:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
>
> Ugh.  That's pretty sad.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 8:49 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >  Yes.
> >
> > Jim.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Ryan W
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 03:16 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
> >
> > Is this their very late response to Oracle APEX?
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > What is "Power Apps"?
> > >
> > > Please explain more...I am very interested in hear about the Access
> > > replacement.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
> > > accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 11:16:48 PM
> > > Subject: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
> > >
> > > Hi all
> > >
> > > Not that I have used these - as little as the former attempts to bring
> > > Access to the web - but they will be phased out soon:
> > >
> > > https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Office-
> > > Retirement-Blog/Updating-the-Access-Services-in-SharePoint-
> > > Roadmap/ba-p/57148
> > >
> > > The suggested "replacement", not related to Access at all, is Power
> Apps.
> > >
> > > /gustav
> > > --
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> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
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> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Apr  5 08:59:45 2017
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2017 09:59:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
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The world is changing and Microsoft needed to change with it.

Microsoft came up with O365 for three reasons:

1. The world is moving to the web and mobile.

2. The old model of selling new versions with new features as enticements to
upgrade is dead.   Everyone is moving to continual in-stream updates that
are subscription based, allowing for not having the need to come up with
major improvements every development cycle, and getting a steady revenue
stream rather than the feast or famine associated with the old product
development cycle. 

3. The world is also moving to SaaS (Software as a Service).  Gets them
additional revenue not tied to software development.

  The reason for all this is that Microsoft, like many other companies were
finding it very hard to continually improve a product to the point where
people would want to upgrade to a new version.

  An example of this is Team Viewer, which I use for remote support.    It
is fundamentally un-changed since version 7 and they are now on version 12.
They've added bells and whistles to be sure, but not enough for people like
me to upgrade and many are not.   Not too long ago, I got a survey from them
and it was obvious they were trying to find out why, and if a subscription
model would be something I would be interested in.  I also spoke with them
on the phone, and what I offered was "There's nothing new that I need".   So
subscriptions are a nice way of getting money out of people where you would
not have before.

  Microsoft had the same deal with Office and Windows.  Look how many
versions were panned by the market as not really offering anything new. So
they moved to a subscription model and are making it very difficult for
users not to be setup that way.  Try a MSI install of Office 2016<g>.   You
can't even activate it without setting up a on-line Microsoft account unless
you use volume keys (and for the SMB market, which doesn't use volume keys
and doesn't want O365, this is a killer).

JimD.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2017 12:58 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365

All of these observations that Microsoft could have created such a
technology like egldata or created a real web based product did seems odd to
me. 

Did MS create a web presence, 365, because it wanted to expand its access to
new users or did it create 365 because other companies were creating a
usable set of competing web products? Would Microsoft, have stayed the same,
changed nothing and advanced nowhere unless they were being forced to do so?

Why would Microsoft abandon a very successful product for something, that I
describe as a ridiculous mashup app?

More questions and answers.

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 3:57:06 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365

I myself have not, but we've had several on EE that have tried them and have
always reported good results.  One has deep knowledge of Access and I trust
his opinion completely.

Some apps required minor modifications, but they were along the lines of
what you'd do for running under terminal services (ie. everyone being on the
C drive, so writing a temp file to C:\temp for every user might cause
conflicts).  

I've also seen some details of the back story and the technology used is
sound.  That's why my comment "Why can't Microsoft do this?".   From a
profit standpoint, they could have done something like this as part of
Office 365 and made a killing on it.   BIG opportunity missed I think.

Eqldata has been have been in business for quite a few years now and it
looks like they are here to stay.  

The only real negative comment has been that it can get pricey for a large
number of remote users.

JimD.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 02:35 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365

Have you tried using eqldata yet? Their pricing model seems interesting:

"Pay only for what you use. OnWeb's concurrent user pricing means you only
pay for the time users actively run your web databases - we don't charge for
inactive users."

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 7:57:34 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365

<>

 Not as much as one would think:

www.eqldata.com

 Two guys figured out how to do that; you think Microsoft could.

 Not that is overly simplistic and doesn't truly bring you into the
web/mobile world, but letting existing apps run in a web browser would have
breathed life into Access for quite some time.

 And this is the part that Microsoft doesn't get and never does; people run
their businesses with Access, have ten's or even hundred's of thousands of
dollars into them and years in development efforts, which they don't want to
simply toss away.

 But they always treat it as if it was just installing another version of
Office.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Ryan W
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 10:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365

It would be really nice if they had a way to import a Access FE in and
somehow convert it all to web.  I've been wanting a way to ditch Access
without completely redeveloping my App in something cross platform (Web
would be ideal)... but that's just a silly pipe dream.


On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>  Unfortunately Microsoft's approach to "end user" web development wasn't
> very cohesive.
>
>  They tried to bring Light switch in as a replacement for desktop Access
> and
> were pushing AWA for the web/mobile world.  They have been fooling around
> with that since 2006 and were already late to the party then. The real
> issue
> with AWA is that rather than thinking out of the box, they tried to
> leverage
> SharePoint once again.
>
>  Not sure who's responsible for that, but someone at Microsoft thought
> SharePoint was the center of the universe and should be used for
> *everything*.  Fantastic workflow collaboration tool, but relational DB or
> web host it is not.
>
>  I do however still believe they have a shot at it.  If they can develop
> something for the Web/Mobile world with the tenets of Access (ease of use
> through wizards, etc) and make it easy for the common Joe/Josephine to get
> started, then they can still grab a seat at the table.  They'll have to do
> it very fast though, and it does seem like they realize that as they seem
> to
> be all in in regards to Power Apps.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Ryan W
> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 09:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
>
> Ugh.  That's pretty sad.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 8:49 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >  Yes.
> >
> > Jim.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Ryan W
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 03:16 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
> >
> > Is this their very late response to Oracle APEX?
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > What is "Power Apps"?
> > >
> > > Please explain more...I am very interested in hear about the Access
> > > replacement.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
> > > accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 11:16:48 PM
> > > Subject: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
> > >
> > > Hi all
> > >
> > > Not that I have used these - as little as the former attempts to bring
> > > Access to the web - but they will be phased out soon:
> > >
> > > https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Office-
> > > Retirement-Blog/Updating-the-Access-Services-in-SharePoint-
> > > Roadmap/ba-p/57148
> > >
> > > The suggested "replacement", not related to Access at all, is Power
> Apps.
> > >
> > > /gustav
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
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> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr  5 16:05:02 2017
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2017 15:05:02 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
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Good points.

The subscription model is definitely the way to go...now it should be easy to get rid of the activation system...a credit or debit card is all the credentials anyone should need. :-)

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 6:59:45 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365

The world is changing and Microsoft needed to change with it.

Microsoft came up with O365 for three reasons:

1. The world is moving to the web and mobile.

2. The old model of selling new versions with new features as enticements to
upgrade is dead.   Everyone is moving to continual in-stream updates that
are subscription based, allowing for not having the need to come up with
major improvements every development cycle, and getting a steady revenue
stream rather than the feast or famine associated with the old product
development cycle. 

3. The world is also moving to SaaS (Software as a Service).  Gets them
additional revenue not tied to software development.

  The reason for all this is that Microsoft, like many other companies were
finding it very hard to continually improve a product to the point where
people would want to upgrade to a new version.

  An example of this is Team Viewer, which I use for remote support.    It
is fundamentally un-changed since version 7 and they are now on version 12.
They've added bells and whistles to be sure, but not enough for people like
me to upgrade and many are not.   Not too long ago, I got a survey from them
and it was obvious they were trying to find out why, and if a subscription
model would be something I would be interested in.  I also spoke with them
on the phone, and what I offered was "There's nothing new that I need".   So
subscriptions are a nice way of getting money out of people where you would
not have before.

  Microsoft had the same deal with Office and Windows.  Look how many
versions were panned by the market as not really offering anything new. So
they moved to a subscription model and are making it very difficult for
users not to be setup that way.  Try a MSI install of Office 2016.   You
can't even activate it without setting up a on-line Microsoft account unless
you use volume keys (and for the SMB market, which doesn't use volume keys
and doesn't want O365, this is a killer).

JimD.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2017 12:58 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365

All of these observations that Microsoft could have created such a
technology like egldata or created a real web based product did seems odd to
me. 

Did MS create a web presence, 365, because it wanted to expand its access to
new users or did it create 365 because other companies were creating a
usable set of competing web products? Would Microsoft, have stayed the same,
changed nothing and advanced nowhere unless they were being forced to do so?

Why would Microsoft abandon a very successful product for something, that I
describe as a ridiculous mashup app?

More questions and answers.

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 3:57:06 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365

I myself have not, but we've had several on EE that have tried them and have
always reported good results.  One has deep knowledge of Access and I trust
his opinion completely.

Some apps required minor modifications, but they were along the lines of
what you'd do for running under terminal services (ie. everyone being on the
C drive, so writing a temp file to C:\temp for every user might cause
conflicts).  

I've also seen some details of the back story and the technology used is
sound.  That's why my comment "Why can't Microsoft do this?".   From a
profit standpoint, they could have done something like this as part of
Office 365 and made a killing on it.   BIG opportunity missed I think.

Eqldata has been have been in business for quite a few years now and it
looks like they are here to stay.  

The only real negative comment has been that it can get pricey for a large
number of remote users.

JimD.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 02:35 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365

Have you tried using eqldata yet? Their pricing model seems interesting:

"Pay only for what you use. OnWeb's concurrent user pricing means you only
pay for the time users actively run your web databases - we don't charge for
inactive users."

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 7:57:34 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365

<>

 Not as much as one would think:

www.eqldata.com

 Two guys figured out how to do that; you think Microsoft could.

 Not that is overly simplistic and doesn't truly bring you into the
web/mobile world, but letting existing apps run in a web browser would have
breathed life into Access for quite some time.

 And this is the part that Microsoft doesn't get and never does; people run
their businesses with Access, have ten's or even hundred's of thousands of
dollars into them and years in development efforts, which they don't want to
simply toss away.

 But they always treat it as if it was just installing another version of
Office.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Ryan W
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 10:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365

It would be really nice if they had a way to import a Access FE in and
somehow convert it all to web.  I've been wanting a way to ditch Access
without completely redeveloping my App in something cross platform (Web
would be ideal)... but that's just a silly pipe dream.


On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>  Unfortunately Microsoft's approach to "end user" web development wasn't
> very cohesive.
>
>  They tried to bring Light switch in as a replacement for desktop Access
> and
> were pushing AWA for the web/mobile world.  They have been fooling around
> with that since 2006 and were already late to the party then. The real
> issue
> with AWA is that rather than thinking out of the box, they tried to
> leverage
> SharePoint once again.
>
>  Not sure who's responsible for that, but someone at Microsoft thought
> SharePoint was the center of the universe and should be used for
> *everything*.  Fantastic workflow collaboration tool, but relational DB or
> web host it is not.
>
>  I do however still believe they have a shot at it.  If they can develop
> something for the Web/Mobile world with the tenets of Access (ease of use
> through wizards, etc) and make it easy for the common Joe/Josephine to get
> started, then they can still grab a seat at the table.  They'll have to do
> it very fast though, and it does seem like they realize that as they seem
> to
> be all in in regards to Power Apps.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Ryan W
> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 09:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
>
> Ugh.  That's pretty sad.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 8:49 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >  Yes.
> >
> > Jim.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Ryan W
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 03:16 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
> >
> > Is this their very late response to Oracle APEX?
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > What is "Power Apps"?
> > >
> > > Please explain more...I am very interested in hear about the Access
> > > replacement.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
> > > accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 11:16:48 PM
> > > Subject: [AccessD] No more Access Web Apps on Office 365
> > >
> > > Hi all
> > >
> > > Not that I have used these - as little as the former attempts to bring
> > > Access to the web - but they will be phased out soon:
> > >
> > > https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Office-
> > > Retirement-Blog/Updating-the-Access-Services-in-SharePoint-
> > > Roadmap/ba-p/57148
> > >
> > > The suggested "replacement", not related to Access at all, is Power
> Apps.
> > >
> > > /gustav
> > > --
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> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From bradm at blackforestltd.com  Thu Apr  6 10:47:52 2017
From: bradm at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2017 15:47:52 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Need Row Count in SQL for each Row
Message-ID: <MWHPR05MB3246AF1DAFC9B2E0FCFEAE95CF0D0@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

All,

In the 1970s, I worked with some mainframe database software from Cincom called ?Total? which was later repackaged as ?Supra?.  Total and Supra were ?network? databases which had a file type called ?Variable? which stored records on ?chains?.  One of the downfalls of these databases was that the physical position of a record on a chain had meaning.  Often reading down a chain of records would indicate the chronological order of the records.

After leaving the world of Total and Supra, I thought that I would never again work with files where the physical position of the record held meaning.

I now face a similar challenge.  I am trying to read data from a file where the order of the records has meaning.  Unfortunately there is no field in the records that can be used to retain the order.

I have a simple SQL statement that pulls the data from this file.  I would like to add a column in the SQL to keep track of the order of the records for subsequent processing.  I know that I can do this via a function in Access.

Here is the catch?  I have been instructed to not use any ?special? Access features in the SQL that are not available in ?vanilla? SQL, because there is concern about being too locked into Access in case the shop moves to another platform.

Is there a way to add a column in an SQL statement to keep track of ?record count? via vanilla SQL?

I have done some digging and have not found anything yet.

Thanks,
Brad


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Apr  6 11:13:08 2017
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2017 12:13:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Need Row Count in SQL for each Row
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR05MB3246AF1DAFC9B2E0FCFEAE95CF0D0@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR05MB3246AF1DAFC9B2E0FCFEAE95CF0D0@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <69E2B8424FF74BE78662946C5094FC77@XPS>

Brad,

 SELECT ROW_NUMBER() OVER(ORDER BY <field> ASC) as RowNum, <field>, <another
field> FROM <some table> WHERE....

  You'll have to run that as a pass through query though...JET/ACE doesn't
support ROW_NUMBER.

 If you can't do that, then your stuck with a VBA call.   Ordinarily you'd
use a sub-select, but you need a column to sequence things.

Jim.   

-----Original Message-----
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Brad Marks
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 11:48 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Need Row Count in SQL for each Row

All,

In the 1970s, I worked with some mainframe database software from Cincom
called "Total" which was later repackaged as "Supra".  Total and Supra were
"network" databases which had a file type called "Variable" which stored
records on "chains".  One of the downfalls of these databases was that the
physical position of a record on a chain had meaning.  Often reading down a
chain of records would indicate the chronological order of the records.

After leaving the world of Total and Supra, I thought that I would never
again work with files where the physical position of the record held
meaning.

I now face a similar challenge.  I am trying to read data from a file where
the order of the records has meaning.  Unfortunately there is no field in
the records that can be used to retain the order.

I have a simple SQL statement that pulls the data from this file.  I would
like to add a column in the SQL to keep track of the order of the records
for subsequent processing.  I know that I can do this via a function in
Access.

Here is the catch.  I have been instructed to not use any "special" Access
features in the SQL that are not available in "vanilla" SQL, because there
is concern about being too locked into Access in case the shop moves to
another platform.

Is there a way to add a column in an SQL statement to keep track of "record
count" via vanilla SQL?

I have done some digging and have not found anything yet.

Thanks,
Brad

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Apr  6 16:19:20 2017
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2017 07:19:20 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Need Row Count in SQL for each Row
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR05MB3246AF1DAFC9B2E0FCFEAE95CF0D0@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR05MB3246AF1DAFC9B2E0FCFEAE95CF0D0@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <58E6B0D8.15971.427E34A4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

An autonumber primary key aka Identity column will do this. (And you should  already have 
one in the table <g> )

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sql/relational-databases/tables/create-primary-keys
and


So will a Timestamp if you want to track "last edit" rather than "create" sequence.

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms182776(v=sql.90).aspx


On 6 Apr 2017 at 15:47, Brad Marks wrote:

> All,
> 
> In the 1970s, I worked with some mainframe database software from
> Cincom called "Total" which was later repackaged as "Supra".  Total
> and Supra were "network" databases which had a file type called
> "Variable" which stored records on "chains".  One of the downfalls of
> these databases was that the physical position of a record on a chain
> had meaning.  Often reading down a chain of records would indicate the
> chronological order of the records.
> 
> After leaving the world of Total and Supra, I thought that I would
> never again work with files where the physical position of the record
> held meaning.
> 
> I now face a similar challenge.  I am trying to read data from a file
> where the order of the records has meaning.  Unfortunately there is no
> field in the records that can be used to retain the order.
> 
> I have a simple SQL statement that pulls the data from this file.  I
> would like to add a column in the SQL to keep track of the order of
> the records for subsequent processing.  I know that I can do this via
> a function in Access.
> 
> Here is the catch...  I have been instructed to not use any "special"
> Access features in the SQL that are not available in "vanilla" SQL,
> because there is concern about being too locked into Access in case
> the shop moves to another platform.
> 
> Is there a way to add a column in an SQL statement to keep track of
> "record count" via vanilla SQL?
> 
> I have done some digging and have not found anything yet.
> 
> Thanks,
> Brad
> 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Apr  6 16:24:33 2017
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2017 07:24:33 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Need Row Count in SQL for each Row
In-Reply-To: <69E2B8424FF74BE78662946C5094FC77@XPS>
References: <MWHPR05MB3246AF1DAFC9B2E0FCFEAE95CF0D0@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>,
	<69E2B8424FF74BE78662946C5094FC77@XPS>
Message-ID: <58E6B211.3609.4282FCE2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

ROW_NUMBER is non-deterministic.

It is simply a sequential number for the recordset returned by a query.  It has no relationship 
to the sequence in which records were created. 

On 6 Apr 2017 at 12:13, Jim Dettman wrote:

> Brad,
> 
>  SELECT ROW_NUMBER() OVER(ORDER BY <field> ASC) as RowNum, <field>,
>  <another
> field> FROM <some table> WHERE....
> 
>   You'll have to run that as a pass through query though...JET/ACE
>   doesn't
> support ROW_NUMBER.
> 
>  If you can't do that, then your stuck with a VBA call.   Ordinarily
>  you'd
> use a sub-select, but you need a column to sequence things.
> 
> Jim.   
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Brad Marks Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 11:48 AM To:
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] Need Row Count in SQL
> for each Row
> 
> All,
> 
> In the 1970s, I worked with some mainframe database software from
> Cincom called "Total" which was later repackaged as "Supra".  Total
> and Supra were "network" databases which had a file type called
> "Variable" which stored records on "chains".  One of the downfalls of
> these databases was that the physical position of a record on a chain
> had meaning.  Often reading down a chain of records would indicate the
> chronological order of the records.
> 
> After leaving the world of Total and Supra, I thought that I would
> never again work with files where the physical position of the record
> held meaning.
> 
> I now face a similar challenge.  I am trying to read data from a file
> where the order of the records has meaning.  Unfortunately there is no
> field in the records that can be used to retain the order.
> 
> I have a simple SQL statement that pulls the data from this file.  I
> would like to add a column in the SQL to keep track of the order of
> the records for subsequent processing.  I know that I can do this via
> a function in Access.
> 
> Here is the catch.  I have been instructed to not use any "special"
> Access features in the SQL that are not available in "vanilla" SQL,
> because there is concern about being too locked into Access in case
> the shop moves to another platform.
> 
> Is there a way to add a column in an SQL statement to keep track of
> "record count" via vanilla SQL?
> 
> I have done some digging and have not found anything yet.
> 
> Thanks,
> Brad
> 
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Apr  6 16:35:26 2017
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2017 21:35:26 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Need Row Count in SQL for each Row
In-Reply-To: <58E6B0D8.15971.427E34A4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <MWHPR05MB3246AF1DAFC9B2E0FCFEAE95CF0D0@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
	<58E6B0D8.15971.427E34A4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <SYXPR01MB1071BE6EFD702985EC375301FC0D0@SYXPR01MB1071.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>

Yes, I would have thought this the obvious and cheapest solution, but maybe there is a reason you cannot just sequentially key it up.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Friday, 7 April 2017 7:19 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Need Row Count in SQL for each Row

An autonumber primary key aka Identity column will do this. (And you should  already have one in the table <g> )

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sql/relational-databases/tables/create-primary-keys
and


So will a Timestamp if you want to track "last edit" rather than "create" sequence.

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms182776(v=sql.90).aspx


On 6 Apr 2017 at 15:47, Brad Marks wrote:

> All,
> 
> In the 1970s, I worked with some mainframe database software from 
> Cincom called "Total" which was later repackaged as "Supra".  Total 
> and Supra were "network" databases which had a file type called 
> "Variable" which stored records on "chains".  One of the downfalls of 
> these databases was that the physical position of a record on a chain 
> had meaning.  Often reading down a chain of records would indicate the 
> chronological order of the records.
> 
> After leaving the world of Total and Supra, I thought that I would 
> never again work with files where the physical position of the record 
> held meaning.
> 
> I now face a similar challenge.  I am trying to read data from a file 
> where the order of the records has meaning.  Unfortunately there is no 
> field in the records that can be used to retain the order.
> 
> I have a simple SQL statement that pulls the data from this file.  I 
> would like to add a column in the SQL to keep track of the order of 
> the records for subsequent processing.  I know that I can do this via 
> a function in Access.
> 
> Here is the catch...  I have been instructed to not use any "special"
> Access features in the SQL that are not available in "vanilla" SQL, 
> because there is concern about being too locked into Access in case 
> the shop moves to another platform.
> 
> Is there a way to add a column in an SQL statement to keep track of 
> "record count" via vanilla SQL?
> 
> I have done some digging and have not found anything yet.
> 
> Thanks,
> Brad
> 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Apr  6 16:36:05 2017
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2017 07:36:05 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Need Row Count in SQL for each Row
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR05MB3246AF1DAFC9B2E0FCFEAE95CF0D0@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR05MB3246AF1DAFC9B2E0FCFEAE95CF0D0@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <58E6B4C5.21694.428D8B2C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

In my previous replies, I misunderstood what you are trying to do.  (I read it as querying an 
SQL Server table from Access).

You haven't explain what the "file" looks like. Is it delimited text file or some sort of database 
file (Excel, SQLite, DBase x etc?)

What I do when working with delimited files is usually to read the data into an Access table 
with a ANPK and then work on the table rather than the original recordset.

If you are stepping through the data file and proessing it one line at a time, I'd just increment 
a counter for each line read.



On 6 Apr 2017 at 15:47, Brad Marks wrote:

> All,
> 
> In the 1970s, I worked with some mainframe database software from
> Cincom called "Total" which was later repackaged as "Supra".  Total
> and Supra were "network" databases which had a file type called
> "Variable" which stored records on "chains".  One of the downfalls of
> these databases was that the physical position of a record on a chain
> had meaning.  Often reading down a chain of records would indicate the
> chronological order of the records.
> 
> After leaving the world of Total and Supra, I thought that I would
> never again work with files where the physical position of the record
> held meaning.
> 
> I now face a similar challenge.  I am trying to read data from a file
> where the order of the records has meaning.  Unfortunately there is no
> field in the records that can be used to retain the order.
> 
> I have a simple SQL statement that pulls the data from this file.  I
> would like to add a column in the SQL to keep track of the order of
> the records for subsequent processing.  I know that I can do this via
> a function in Access.
> 
> Here is the catch...  I have been instructed to not use any "special"
> Access features in the SQL that are not available in "vanilla" SQL,
> because there is concern about being too locked into Access in case
> the shop moves to another platform.
> 
> Is there a way to add a column in an SQL statement to keep track of
> "record count" via vanilla SQL?
> 
> I have done some digging and have not found anything yet.
> 
> Thanks,
> Brad
> 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Apr  8 23:18:19 2017
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2017 21:18:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Color Number Format
Message-ID: <02ea01d2b0e8$51cbfcf0$f563f6d0$@bchacc.com>

Dear List(s):

 

In A2003 colors in the property sheet were entered in decimal by default
(Back Color, Border Color, etc.)

 

In A2010 the default is Hex (#nnnnnn).  

 

I would like it to default to decimal but can't find where that switch is.

 

Does anybody know?

 

MTIA

 

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

 <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com

 <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com

Skype: rocky.smolin

 

 

 


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Apr  8 23:41:56 2017
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2017 21:41:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Back Color of a label
Message-ID: <02f601d2b0eb$9e649240$db2db6c0$@bchacc.com>

Dear List(s):

 

In the after update event of an option control I test it and set the back
color of a label to green(ish) if True and red(ish) if false.

 

The red(ish) color is #FFA3A3 which is the default color set in the property
sheet.  The gren(ish) color is #DCFCDC.

 

The code:

 

    If Me.fldSCOTaskCompleteConfirmGo = True Then

       ' Make It Green

        Me.lblConfirmCRSIsaGofromCLNT.BackColor = &HDCFCDC

    Else

       ' Make It Red

        Me.lblConfirmCRSIsaGofromCLNT.BackColor = &HFFA3A3

    End If

 

Changing the option control from false to true turns the back color of the
label green(ish). Good!

 

Changing the option control from true to false changes the back color of the
label not ref but to purple(ish). Bad!

 

Google has failed me.

 

Does anyone know why this difference between the color in the property sheet
and setting it through VBA?

 

MTIA

 

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

 <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com

 <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com

Skype: rocky.smolin

 

 


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Apr  8 23:51:57 2017
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2017 21:51:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Back Color of a label
In-Reply-To: <02f601d2b0eb$9e649240$db2db6c0$@bchacc.com>
References: <02f601d2b0eb$9e649240$db2db6c0$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <02fc01d2b0ed$04bae2a0$0e30a7e0$@bchacc.com>

Ok I figured it out - the RGB is reversed from what is shown in the property
sheet.  So the property sheet value #FFA3A3 in VBA has to be &HA3A3FF.

The green worked because the first two hex digits are the same as the last
two digits.

r

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 9:42 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Back Color of a label

Dear List(s):

 

In the after update event of an option control I test it and set the back
color of a label to green(ish) if True and red(ish) if false.

 

The red(ish) color is #FFA3A3 which is the default color set in the property
sheet.  The gren(ish) color is #DCFCDC.

 

The code:

 

    If Me.fldSCOTaskCompleteConfirmGo = True Then

       ' Make It Green

        Me.lblConfirmCRSIsaGofromCLNT.BackColor = &HDCFCDC

    Else

       ' Make It Red

        Me.lblConfirmCRSIsaGofromCLNT.BackColor = &HFFA3A3

    End If

 

Changing the option control from false to true turns the back color of the
label green(ish). Good!

 

Changing the option control from true to false changes the back color of the
label not ref but to purple(ish). Bad!

 

Google has failed me.

 

Does anyone know why this difference between the color in the property sheet
and setting it through VBA?

 

MTIA

 

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

 <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com

 <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com

Skype: rocky.smolin

 

 

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Apr  9 04:42:54 2017
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2017 09:42:54 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Color Number Format
In-Reply-To: <02ea01d2b0e8$51cbfcf0$f563f6d0$@bchacc.com>
References: <02ea01d2b0e8$51cbfcf0$f563f6d0$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB1165890837EEFA91A563B6C2CA0E0@VI1PR06MB1165.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Rocky

The #112233 format is still in RGB sequence but it's a hex representation, not the hex value.

The hex value will be &H332211 because Red is the "small" component.

Recently, I had a lot of similar conversions to do and made these small functions to minimise the dull work:

<code>
' Calculate discrete RGB colours from a composite colour value and
' return one component.
' Also, by reference, return all components.
'
' Examples:
'   Simple print of the components:
'
'   SomeColor = 813466
'   RGBComponent SomeColor
'   ' Debug Print:
'   ' 154           105           12
'
'   Get one component from a colour value:
'
'   Dim SomeColor   As Long
'   Dim Green       As Integer
'   SomeColor = 13466
'   Green = RGBComponent(SomeColor, vbGreen)
'   ' Green ->  52
'
'   Get all components from a colour value:
'
'   Dim SomeColor   As Long
'   Dim Red         As Integer
'   Dim Green       As Integer
'   Dim Blue        As Integer
'   SomeColor = 813466
'   RGBComponent SomeColor, , Red, Green, Blue
'   ' Red   -> 154
'   ' Green -> 105
'   ' Green ->  12
'
' 2017-03-26. Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS, CPH.
'
Public Function RGBComponent( _
    ByVal RGB As Long, _
    Optional ByVal Component As Long, _
    Optional ByRef Red As Integer, _
    Optional ByRef Green As Integer, _
    Optional ByRef Blue As Integer) _
    As Integer
    
    Dim Color   As Long
  
    If RGB <= 0 Then
        ' Return Black.
        Red = 0
        Green = 0
        Blue = 0
    Else
        ' Dissolve composite RGB into discrete colours.
        Red = RGB And vbRed
        Green = (RGB And vbGreen) / &H100
        Blue = (RGB And vbBlue) / &H10000
        ' Return chosen colour component.
        Select Case Component
            Case vbRed
                Color = Red
            Case vbGreen
                Color = Green
            Case vbBlue
                Color = Blue
            Case Else
                Color = vbBlack
        End Select
    End If
    
    Debug.Print Red, Green, Blue
    
    RGBComponent = Color

End Function


' Returns the numeric RGB value from an CSS RGB hex representation.
' Will accept strings with or without a leading octothorpe.
'
' Examples:
'   Color = RGBCompound("#9A690C")
'   ' Color = 813466
'   Color = RGBCompound("9A690C")
'   ' Color = 813466
'
' 2017-03-26. Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS, CPH.
'
Public Function RGBCompound( _
    ByVal HexRGB As String) _
    As Long
    
    ' Format of RGB hex strings.
    Const RGBPrefix As String = "#"
    Const Length    As Integer = 6
    ' Format of Hex values.
    Const HexPrefix As String = "&H"
    
    Dim Start       As Integer
    Dim Color       As Long
    
    If Mid(HexRGB, 1, 1) = RGBPrefix Then
        Start = 1
    End If
    If Len(HexRGB) = Start + Length Then
        Color = RGB( _
            HexPrefix & Mid(HexRGB, Start + 1, 2), _
            HexPrefix & Mid(HexRGB, Start + 3, 2), _
            HexPrefix & Mid(HexRGB, Start + 5, 2))
    End If
    
    RGBCompound = Color
    
End Function


' Returns the CSS hex representation of a decimal RGB value
' with or without a leading octothorpe.
'
' Example:
'   CSSValue = RGBHex(813466)
'   ' CSSValue = "#9A690C"
'   CSSValue = RGBHex(813466, True)
'   ' CSSValue = "9A690C"
'
' 2017-03-26. Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS, CPH.
'
Public Function RGBHex( _
    ByVal Color As Long, _
    Optional ByVal NoPrefix As Boolean) _
    As String
    
    ' Format of RGB hex strings.
    Const RGBPrefix As String = "#"
    
    Dim Red     As Integer
    Dim Green   As Integer
    Dim Blue    As Integer
    Dim HexRGB  As String
    
    RGBComponent Color, , Red, Green, Blue
    
    If Not NoPrefix Then
        ' Set prefix.
        HexRGB = RGBPrefix
    End If
    ' Assemble compound string with leading zeroes for small values.
    HexRGB = HexRGB & _
        Right("0" & Hex(Red), 2) & _
        Right("0" & Hex(Green), 2) & _
        Right("0" & Hex(Blue), 2)
    
    RGBHex = HexRGB
    
End Function
</code>

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Sendt: 9. april 2017 06:18:19
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Off Topic'
Emne: [AccessD] Color Number Format

Dear List(s):

In A2003 colors in the property sheet were entered in decimal by default
(Back Color, Border Color, etc.)

In A2010 the default is Hex (#nnnnnn).

I would like it to default to decimal but can't find where that switch is.

Does anybody know?

MTIA
Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

 <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com

 <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com

Skype: rocky.smolin


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Apr  9 09:18:54 2017
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2017 07:18:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Color Number Format
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB1165890837EEFA91A563B6C2CA0E0@VI1PR06MB1165.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <02ea01d2b0e8$51cbfcf0$f563f6d0$@bchacc.com>
	<VI1PR06MB1165890837EEFA91A563B6C2CA0E0@VI1PR06MB1165.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <000601d2b13c$381c7970$a8556c50$@bchacc.com>

Gustav:

So I discovered by accident (or brilliant deduction) last night that the RGB
representation in the property sheet with # was the reverse of the &H
representation in VBA.

Why would they do that?  Some programmer's sense of humor?

I think I'm going to switch to a simpler language like Mandarin or ancient
Aramaic. :)

But your code goes in my library.  Somehow I managed 20 years of Access
development without having to fiddle with this. But in 2010 because the
property sheet is in that #nnnnnn format I probably will again.

Is there no preference switch somewhere to have access display decimal in
the property sheet like good old Access 2003?

Thank you.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2017 2:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Off Topic'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Color Number Format

Hi Rocky

The #112233 format is still in RGB sequence but it's a hex representation,
not the hex value.

The hex value will be &H332211 because Red is the "small" component.

Recently, I had a lot of similar conversions to do and made these small
functions to minimise the dull work:

<code>
' Calculate discrete RGB colours from a composite colour value and ' return
one component.
' Also, by reference, return all components.
'
' Examples:
'   Simple print of the components:
'
'   SomeColor = 813466
'   RGBComponent SomeColor
'   ' Debug Print:
'   ' 154           105           12
'
'   Get one component from a colour value:
'
'   Dim SomeColor   As Long
'   Dim Green       As Integer
'   SomeColor = 13466
'   Green = RGBComponent(SomeColor, vbGreen)
'   ' Green ->  52
'
'   Get all components from a colour value:
'
'   Dim SomeColor   As Long
'   Dim Red         As Integer
'   Dim Green       As Integer
'   Dim Blue        As Integer
'   SomeColor = 813466
'   RGBComponent SomeColor, , Red, Green, Blue
'   ' Red   -> 154
'   ' Green -> 105
'   ' Green ->  12
'
' 2017-03-26. Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS, CPH.
'
Public Function RGBComponent( _
    ByVal RGB As Long, _
    Optional ByVal Component As Long, _
    Optional ByRef Red As Integer, _
    Optional ByRef Green As Integer, _
    Optional ByRef Blue As Integer) _
    As Integer
    
    Dim Color   As Long
  
    If RGB <= 0 Then
        ' Return Black.
        Red = 0
        Green = 0
        Blue = 0
    Else
        ' Dissolve composite RGB into discrete colours.
        Red = RGB And vbRed
        Green = (RGB And vbGreen) / &H100
        Blue = (RGB And vbBlue) / &H10000
        ' Return chosen colour component.
        Select Case Component
            Case vbRed
                Color = Red
            Case vbGreen
                Color = Green
            Case vbBlue
                Color = Blue
            Case Else
                Color = vbBlack
        End Select
    End If
    
    Debug.Print Red, Green, Blue
    
    RGBComponent = Color

End Function


' Returns the numeric RGB value from an CSS RGB hex representation.
' Will accept strings with or without a leading octothorpe.
'
' Examples:
'   Color = RGBCompound("#9A690C")
'   ' Color = 813466
'   Color = RGBCompound("9A690C")
'   ' Color = 813466
'
' 2017-03-26. Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS, CPH.
'
Public Function RGBCompound( _
    ByVal HexRGB As String) _
    As Long
    
    ' Format of RGB hex strings.
    Const RGBPrefix As String = "#"
    Const Length    As Integer = 6
    ' Format of Hex values.
    Const HexPrefix As String = "&H"
    
    Dim Start       As Integer
    Dim Color       As Long
    
    If Mid(HexRGB, 1, 1) = RGBPrefix Then
        Start = 1
    End If
    If Len(HexRGB) = Start + Length Then
        Color = RGB( _
            HexPrefix & Mid(HexRGB, Start + 1, 2), _
            HexPrefix & Mid(HexRGB, Start + 3, 2), _
            HexPrefix & Mid(HexRGB, Start + 5, 2))
    End If
    
    RGBCompound = Color
    
End Function


' Returns the CSS hex representation of a decimal RGB value ' with or
without a leading octothorpe.
'
' Example:
'   CSSValue = RGBHex(813466)
'   ' CSSValue = "#9A690C"
'   CSSValue = RGBHex(813466, True)
'   ' CSSValue = "9A690C"
'
' 2017-03-26. Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS, CPH.
'
Public Function RGBHex( _
    ByVal Color As Long, _
    Optional ByVal NoPrefix As Boolean) _
    As String
    
    ' Format of RGB hex strings.
    Const RGBPrefix As String = "#"
    
    Dim Red     As Integer
    Dim Green   As Integer
    Dim Blue    As Integer
    Dim HexRGB  As String
    
    RGBComponent Color, , Red, Green, Blue
    
    If Not NoPrefix Then
        ' Set prefix.
        HexRGB = RGBPrefix
    End If
    ' Assemble compound string with leading zeroes for small values.
    HexRGB = HexRGB & _
        Right("0" & Hex(Red), 2) & _
        Right("0" & Hex(Green), 2) & _
        Right("0" & Hex(Blue), 2)
    
    RGBHex = HexRGB
    
End Function
</code>

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Rocky Smolin
<rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Sendt: 9. april 2017 06:18:19
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Off Topic'
Emne: [AccessD] Color Number Format

Dear List(s):

In A2003 colors in the property sheet were entered in decimal by default
(Back Color, Border Color, etc.)

In A2010 the default is Hex (#nnnnnn).

I would like it to default to decimal but can't find where that switch is.

Does anybody know?

MTIA
Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

 <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com

 <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com

Skype: rocky.smolin

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Apr  9 09:35:08 2017
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2017 14:35:08 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Color Number Format
In-Reply-To: <000601d2b13c$381c7970$a8556c50$@bchacc.com>
References: <02ea01d2b0e8$51cbfcf0$f563f6d0$@bchacc.com>
	<VI1PR06MB1165890837EEFA91A563B6C2CA0E0@VI1PR06MB1165.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<000601d2b13c$381c7970$a8556c50$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB116569C6BA43F947B7A87CD3CA0E0@VI1PR06MB1165.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Rocky

I don't think that property is for you to change.
And the #000000 format is a CSS standard and used all over (outside VBA), so you better assimilate it.

/gustav
________________________________________
Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Sendt: 9. april 2017 16:18:54
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Color Number Format

Gustav:

So I discovered by accident (or brilliant deduction) last night that the RGB
representation in the property sheet with # was the reverse of the &H
representation in VBA.

Why would they do that?  Some programmer's sense of humor?

I think I'm going to switch to a simpler language like Mandarin or ancient
Aramaic. :)

But your code goes in my library.  Somehow I managed 20 years of Access
development without having to fiddle with this. But in 2010 because the
property sheet is in that #nnnnnn format I probably will again.

Is there no preference switch somewhere to have access display decimal in
the property sheet like good old Access 2003?

Thank you.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2017 2:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Off Topic'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Color Number Format

Hi Rocky

The #112233 format is still in RGB sequence but it's a hex representation,
not the hex value.

The hex value will be &H332211 because Red is the "small" component.

Recently, I had a lot of similar conversions to do and made these small
functions to minimise the dull work:

<code>
' Calculate discrete RGB colours from a composite colour value and ' return
one component.
' Also, by reference, return all components.
'
' Examples:
'   Simple print of the components:
'
'   SomeColor = 813466
'   RGBComponent SomeColor
'   ' Debug Print:
'   ' 154           105           12
'
'   Get one component from a colour value:
'
'   Dim SomeColor   As Long
'   Dim Green       As Integer
'   SomeColor = 13466
'   Green = RGBComponent(SomeColor, vbGreen)
'   ' Green ->  52
'
'   Get all components from a colour value:
'
'   Dim SomeColor   As Long
'   Dim Red         As Integer
'   Dim Green       As Integer
'   Dim Blue        As Integer
'   SomeColor = 813466
'   RGBComponent SomeColor, , Red, Green, Blue
'   ' Red   -> 154
'   ' Green -> 105
'   ' Green ->  12
'
' 2017-03-26. Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS, CPH.
'
Public Function RGBComponent( _
    ByVal RGB As Long, _
    Optional ByVal Component As Long, _
    Optional ByRef Red As Integer, _
    Optional ByRef Green As Integer, _
    Optional ByRef Blue As Integer) _
    As Integer

    Dim Color   As Long

    If RGB <= 0 Then
        ' Return Black.
        Red = 0
        Green = 0
        Blue = 0
    Else
        ' Dissolve composite RGB into discrete colours.
        Red = RGB And vbRed
        Green = (RGB And vbGreen) / &H100
        Blue = (RGB And vbBlue) / &H10000
        ' Return chosen colour component.
        Select Case Component
            Case vbRed
                Color = Red
            Case vbGreen
                Color = Green
            Case vbBlue
                Color = Blue
            Case Else
                Color = vbBlack
        End Select
    End If

    Debug.Print Red, Green, Blue

    RGBComponent = Color

End Function


' Returns the numeric RGB value from an CSS RGB hex representation.
' Will accept strings with or without a leading octothorpe.
'
' Examples:
'   Color = RGBCompound("#9A690C")
'   ' Color = 813466
'   Color = RGBCompound("9A690C")
'   ' Color = 813466
'
' 2017-03-26. Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS, CPH.
'
Public Function RGBCompound( _
    ByVal HexRGB As String) _
    As Long

    ' Format of RGB hex strings.
    Const RGBPrefix As String = "#"
    Const Length    As Integer = 6
    ' Format of Hex values.
    Const HexPrefix As String = "&H"

    Dim Start       As Integer
    Dim Color       As Long

    If Mid(HexRGB, 1, 1) = RGBPrefix Then
        Start = 1
    End If
    If Len(HexRGB) = Start + Length Then
        Color = RGB( _
            HexPrefix & Mid(HexRGB, Start + 1, 2), _
            HexPrefix & Mid(HexRGB, Start + 3, 2), _
            HexPrefix & Mid(HexRGB, Start + 5, 2))
    End If

    RGBCompound = Color

End Function


' Returns the CSS hex representation of a decimal RGB value ' with or
without a leading octothorpe.
'
' Example:
'   CSSValue = RGBHex(813466)
'   ' CSSValue = "#9A690C"
'   CSSValue = RGBHex(813466, True)
'   ' CSSValue = "9A690C"
'
' 2017-03-26. Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS, CPH.
'
Public Function RGBHex( _
    ByVal Color As Long, _
    Optional ByVal NoPrefix As Boolean) _
    As String

    ' Format of RGB hex strings.
    Const RGBPrefix As String = "#"

    Dim Red     As Integer
    Dim Green   As Integer
    Dim Blue    As Integer
    Dim HexRGB  As String

    RGBComponent Color, , Red, Green, Blue

    If Not NoPrefix Then
        ' Set prefix.
        HexRGB = RGBPrefix
    End If
    ' Assemble compound string with leading zeroes for small values.
    HexRGB = HexRGB & _
        Right("0" & Hex(Red), 2) & _
        Right("0" & Hex(Green), 2) & _
        Right("0" & Hex(Blue), 2)

    RGBHex = HexRGB

End Function
</code>

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Rocky Smolin
<rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Sendt: 9. april 2017 06:18:19
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Off Topic'
Emne: [AccessD] Color Number Format

Dear List(s):

In A2003 colors in the property sheet were entered in decimal by default
(Back Color, Border Color, etc.)

In A2010 the default is Hex (#nnnnnn).

I would like it to default to decimal but can't find where that switch is.

Does anybody know?

MTIA
Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

 <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com

 <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com

Skype: rocky.smolin

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Apr  9 10:10:11 2017
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2017 08:10:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Color Number Format
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB116569C6BA43F947B7A87CD3CA0E0@VI1PR06MB1165.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <02ea01d2b0e8$51cbfcf0$f563f6d0$@bchacc.com>	<VI1PR06MB1165890837EEFA91A563B6C2CA0E0@VI1PR06MB1165.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<000601d2b13c$381c7970$a8556c50$@bchacc.com>
	<VI1PR06MB116569C6BA43F947B7A87CD3CA0E0@VI1PR06MB1165.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <000a01d2b143$627fe600$277fb200$@bchacc.com>

Resistance is futile? :)

r

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2017 7:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Color Number Format

Hi Rocky

I don't think that property is for you to change.
And the #000000 format is a CSS standard and used all over (outside VBA), so
you better assimilate it.

/gustav
________________________________________
Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Rocky Smolin
<rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Sendt: 9. april 2017 16:18:54
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Color Number Format

Gustav:

So I discovered by accident (or brilliant deduction) last night that the RGB
representation in the property sheet with # was the reverse of the &H
representation in VBA.

Why would they do that?  Some programmer's sense of humor?

I think I'm going to switch to a simpler language like Mandarin or ancient
Aramaic. :)

But your code goes in my library.  Somehow I managed 20 years of Access
development without having to fiddle with this. But in 2010 because the
property sheet is in that #nnnnnn format I probably will again.

Is there no preference switch somewhere to have access display decimal in
the property sheet like good old Access 2003?

Thank you.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2017 2:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Off Topic'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Color Number Format

Hi Rocky

The #112233 format is still in RGB sequence but it's a hex representation,
not the hex value.

The hex value will be &H332211 because Red is the "small" component.

Recently, I had a lot of similar conversions to do and made these small
functions to minimise the dull work:

<code>
' Calculate discrete RGB colours from a composite colour value and ' return
one component.
' Also, by reference, return all components.
'
' Examples:
'   Simple print of the components:
'
'   SomeColor = 813466
'   RGBComponent SomeColor
'   ' Debug Print:
'   ' 154           105           12
'
'   Get one component from a colour value:
'
'   Dim SomeColor   As Long
'   Dim Green       As Integer
'   SomeColor = 13466
'   Green = RGBComponent(SomeColor, vbGreen)
'   ' Green ->  52
'
'   Get all components from a colour value:
'
'   Dim SomeColor   As Long
'   Dim Red         As Integer
'   Dim Green       As Integer
'   Dim Blue        As Integer
'   SomeColor = 813466
'   RGBComponent SomeColor, , Red, Green, Blue
'   ' Red   -> 154
'   ' Green -> 105
'   ' Green ->  12
'
' 2017-03-26. Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS, CPH.
'
Public Function RGBComponent( _
    ByVal RGB As Long, _
    Optional ByVal Component As Long, _
    Optional ByRef Red As Integer, _
    Optional ByRef Green As Integer, _
    Optional ByRef Blue As Integer) _
    As Integer

    Dim Color   As Long

    If RGB <= 0 Then
        ' Return Black.
        Red = 0
        Green = 0
        Blue = 0
    Else
        ' Dissolve composite RGB into discrete colours.
        Red = RGB And vbRed
        Green = (RGB And vbGreen) / &H100
        Blue = (RGB And vbBlue) / &H10000
        ' Return chosen colour component.
        Select Case Component
            Case vbRed
                Color = Red
            Case vbGreen
                Color = Green
            Case vbBlue
                Color = Blue
            Case Else
                Color = vbBlack
        End Select
    End If

    Debug.Print Red, Green, Blue

    RGBComponent = Color

End Function


' Returns the numeric RGB value from an CSS RGB hex representation.
' Will accept strings with or without a leading octothorpe.
'
' Examples:
'   Color = RGBCompound("#9A690C")
'   ' Color = 813466
'   Color = RGBCompound("9A690C")
'   ' Color = 813466
'
' 2017-03-26. Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS, CPH.
'
Public Function RGBCompound( _
    ByVal HexRGB As String) _
    As Long

    ' Format of RGB hex strings.
    Const RGBPrefix As String = "#"
    Const Length    As Integer = 6
    ' Format of Hex values.
    Const HexPrefix As String = "&H"

    Dim Start       As Integer
    Dim Color       As Long

    If Mid(HexRGB, 1, 1) = RGBPrefix Then
        Start = 1
    End If
    If Len(HexRGB) = Start + Length Then
        Color = RGB( _
            HexPrefix & Mid(HexRGB, Start + 1, 2), _
            HexPrefix & Mid(HexRGB, Start + 3, 2), _
            HexPrefix & Mid(HexRGB, Start + 5, 2))
    End If

    RGBCompound = Color

End Function


' Returns the CSS hex representation of a decimal RGB value ' with or
without a leading octothorpe.
'
' Example:
'   CSSValue = RGBHex(813466)
'   ' CSSValue = "#9A690C"
'   CSSValue = RGBHex(813466, True)
'   ' CSSValue = "9A690C"
'
' 2017-03-26. Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS, CPH.
'
Public Function RGBHex( _
    ByVal Color As Long, _
    Optional ByVal NoPrefix As Boolean) _
    As String

    ' Format of RGB hex strings.
    Const RGBPrefix As String = "#"

    Dim Red     As Integer
    Dim Green   As Integer
    Dim Blue    As Integer
    Dim HexRGB  As String

    RGBComponent Color, , Red, Green, Blue

    If Not NoPrefix Then
        ' Set prefix.
        HexRGB = RGBPrefix
    End If
    ' Assemble compound string with leading zeroes for small values.
    HexRGB = HexRGB & _
        Right("0" & Hex(Red), 2) & _
        Right("0" & Hex(Green), 2) & _
        Right("0" & Hex(Blue), 2)

    RGBHex = HexRGB

End Function
</code>

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Rocky Smolin
<rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Sendt: 9. april 2017 06:18:19
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Off Topic'
Emne: [AccessD] Color Number Format

Dear List(s):

In A2003 colors in the property sheet were entered in decimal by default
(Back Color, Border Color, etc.)

In A2010 the default is Hex (#nnnnnn).

I would like it to default to decimal but can't find where that switch is.

Does anybody know?

MTIA
Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

 <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com

 <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com

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From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz  Sun Apr  9 13:57:11 2017
From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 06:57:11 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Color Number Format
In-Reply-To: <000a01d2b143$627fe600$277fb200$@bchacc.com>
References: <02ea01d2b0e8$51cbfcf0$f563f6d0$@bchacc.com>	<VI1PR06MB1165890837EEFA91A563B6C2CA0E0@VI1PR06MB1165.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<000601d2b13c$381c7970$a8556c50$@bchacc.com><VI1PR06MB116569C6BA43F947B7A87CD3CA0E0@VI1PR06MB1165.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<000a01d2b143$627fe600$277fb200$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <2D36EB0A2A8E478AA2130577C21AB99D@SteveT540p>

LOL.  I thought you already knew that, Rocky, in fact I'm pretty sure I have 
seen you say as much before.

Having said that, I have also learnt something from this thread, I wasn't 
aware of that conundrum.  So thanks a lot.

Regards
Steve

-----Original Message----- 
From: Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 3:10 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Color Number Format

Resistance is futile? :)

r

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2017 7:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Color Number Format

Hi Rocky

I don't think that property is for you to change.
And the #000000 format is a CSS standard and used all over (outside VBA), so
you better assimilate it.

/gustav
________________________________________
Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Rocky Smolin
<rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Sendt: 9. april 2017 16:18:54
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Color Number Format

Gustav:

So I discovered by accident (or brilliant deduction) last night that the RGB
representation in the property sheet with # was the reverse of the &H
representation in VBA.

Why would they do that?  Some programmer's sense of humor?

I think I'm going to switch to a simpler language like Mandarin or ancient
Aramaic. :)

But your code goes in my library.  Somehow I managed 20 years of Access
development without having to fiddle with this. But in 2010 because the
property sheet is in that #nnnnnn format I probably will again.

Is there no preference switch somewhere to have access display decimal in
the property sheet like good old Access 2003?

Thank you.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2017 2:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Off Topic'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Color Number Format

Hi Rocky

The #112233 format is still in RGB sequence but it's a hex representation,
not the hex value.

The hex value will be &H332211 because Red is the "small" component.

Recently, I had a lot of similar conversions to do and made these small
functions to minimise the dull work:

<code>
' Calculate discrete RGB colours from a composite colour value and ' return
one component.
' Also, by reference, return all components.
'
' Examples:
'   Simple print of the components:
'
'   SomeColor = 813466
'   RGBComponent SomeColor
'   ' Debug Print:
'   ' 154           105           12
'
'   Get one component from a colour value:
'
'   Dim SomeColor   As Long
'   Dim Green       As Integer
'   SomeColor = 13466
'   Green = RGBComponent(SomeColor, vbGreen)
'   ' Green ->  52
'
'   Get all components from a colour value:
'
'   Dim SomeColor   As Long
'   Dim Red         As Integer
'   Dim Green       As Integer
'   Dim Blue        As Integer
'   SomeColor = 813466
'   RGBComponent SomeColor, , Red, Green, Blue
'   ' Red   -> 154
'   ' Green -> 105
'   ' Green ->  12
'
' 2017-03-26. Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS, CPH.
'
Public Function RGBComponent( _
    ByVal RGB As Long, _
    Optional ByVal Component As Long, _
    Optional ByRef Red As Integer, _
    Optional ByRef Green As Integer, _
    Optional ByRef Blue As Integer) _
    As Integer

    Dim Color   As Long

    If RGB <= 0 Then
        ' Return Black.
        Red = 0
        Green = 0
        Blue = 0
    Else
        ' Dissolve composite RGB into discrete colours.
        Red = RGB And vbRed
        Green = (RGB And vbGreen) / &H100
        Blue = (RGB And vbBlue) / &H10000
        ' Return chosen colour component.
        Select Case Component
            Case vbRed
                Color = Red
            Case vbGreen
                Color = Green
            Case vbBlue
                Color = Blue
            Case Else
                Color = vbBlack
        End Select
    End If

    Debug.Print Red, Green, Blue

    RGBComponent = Color

End Function


' Returns the numeric RGB value from an CSS RGB hex representation.
' Will accept strings with or without a leading octothorpe.
'
' Examples:
'   Color = RGBCompound("#9A690C")
'   ' Color = 813466
'   Color = RGBCompound("9A690C")
'   ' Color = 813466
'
' 2017-03-26. Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS, CPH.
'
Public Function RGBCompound( _
    ByVal HexRGB As String) _
    As Long

    ' Format of RGB hex strings.
    Const RGBPrefix As String = "#"
    Const Length    As Integer = 6
    ' Format of Hex values.
    Const HexPrefix As String = "&H"

    Dim Start       As Integer
    Dim Color       As Long

    If Mid(HexRGB, 1, 1) = RGBPrefix Then
        Start = 1
    End If
    If Len(HexRGB) = Start + Length Then
        Color = RGB( _
            HexPrefix & Mid(HexRGB, Start + 1, 2), _
            HexPrefix & Mid(HexRGB, Start + 3, 2), _
            HexPrefix & Mid(HexRGB, Start + 5, 2))
    End If

    RGBCompound = Color

End Function


' Returns the CSS hex representation of a decimal RGB value ' with or
without a leading octothorpe.
'
' Example:
'   CSSValue = RGBHex(813466)
'   ' CSSValue = "#9A690C"
'   CSSValue = RGBHex(813466, True)
'   ' CSSValue = "9A690C"
'
' 2017-03-26. Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS, CPH.
'
Public Function RGBHex( _
    ByVal Color As Long, _
    Optional ByVal NoPrefix As Boolean) _
    As String

    ' Format of RGB hex strings.
    Const RGBPrefix As String = "#"

    Dim Red     As Integer
    Dim Green   As Integer
    Dim Blue    As Integer
    Dim HexRGB  As String

    RGBComponent Color, , Red, Green, Blue

    If Not NoPrefix Then
        ' Set prefix.
        HexRGB = RGBPrefix
    End If
    ' Assemble compound string with leading zeroes for small values.
    HexRGB = HexRGB & _
        Right("0" & Hex(Red), 2) & _
        Right("0" & Hex(Green), 2) & _
        Right("0" & Hex(Blue), 2)

    RGBHex = HexRGB

End Function
</code>

/gustav

________________________________________
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<rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Sendt: 9. april 2017 06:18:19
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Off Topic'
Emne: [AccessD] Color Number Format

Dear List(s):

In A2003 colors in the property sheet were entered in decimal by default
(Back Color, Border Color, etc.)

In A2010 the default is Hex (#nnnnnn).

I would like it to default to decimal but can't find where that switch is.

Does anybody know?

MTIA
Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

<http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Apr  9 15:24:01 2017
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2017 13:24:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Color Number Format
In-Reply-To: <2D36EB0A2A8E478AA2130577C21AB99D@SteveT540p>
References: <02ea01d2b0e8$51cbfcf0$f563f6d0$@bchacc.com>	<VI1PR06MB1165890837EEFA91A563B6C2CA0E0@VI1PR06MB1165.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<000601d2b13c$381c7970$a8556c50$@bchacc.com><VI1PR06MB116569C6BA43F947B7A87CD3CA0E0@VI1PR06MB1165.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>	<000a01d2b143$627fe600$277fb200$@bchacc.com>
	<2D36EB0A2A8E478AA2130577C21AB99D@SteveT540p>
Message-ID: <002701d2b16f$39f48ca0$addda5e0$@bchacc.com>

My pleasure.  Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while. :)

R


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Steve Schapel
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2017 11:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Color Number Format

LOL.  I thought you already knew that, Rocky, in fact I'm pretty sure I have
seen you say as much before.

Having said that, I have also learnt something from this thread, I wasn't
aware of that conundrum.  So thanks a lot.

Regards
Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 3:10 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Color Number Format

Resistance is futile? :)

r

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2017 7:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Color Number Format

Hi Rocky

I don't think that property is for you to change.
And the #000000 format is a CSS standard and used all over (outside VBA), so
you better assimilate it.

/gustav
________________________________________
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<rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Sendt: 9. april 2017 16:18:54
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Color Number Format

Gustav:

So I discovered by accident (or brilliant deduction) last night that the RGB
representation in the property sheet with # was the reverse of the &H
representation in VBA.

Why would they do that?  Some programmer's sense of humor?

I think I'm going to switch to a simpler language like Mandarin or ancient
Aramaic. :)

But your code goes in my library.  Somehow I managed 20 years of Access
development without having to fiddle with this. But in 2010 because the
property sheet is in that #nnnnnn format I probably will again.

Is there no preference switch somewhere to have access display decimal in
the property sheet like good old Access 2003?

Thank you.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2017 2:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Off Topic'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Color Number Format

Hi Rocky

The #112233 format is still in RGB sequence but it's a hex representation,
not the hex value.

The hex value will be &H332211 because Red is the "small" component.

Recently, I had a lot of similar conversions to do and made these small
functions to minimise the dull work:

<code>
' Calculate discrete RGB colours from a composite colour value and ' return
one component.
' Also, by reference, return all components.
'
' Examples:
'   Simple print of the components:
'
'   SomeColor = 813466
'   RGBComponent SomeColor
'   ' Debug Print:
'   ' 154           105           12
'
'   Get one component from a colour value:
'
'   Dim SomeColor   As Long
'   Dim Green       As Integer
'   SomeColor = 13466
'   Green = RGBComponent(SomeColor, vbGreen)
'   ' Green ->  52
'
'   Get all components from a colour value:
'
'   Dim SomeColor   As Long
'   Dim Red         As Integer
'   Dim Green       As Integer
'   Dim Blue        As Integer
'   SomeColor = 813466
'   RGBComponent SomeColor, , Red, Green, Blue
'   ' Red   -> 154
'   ' Green -> 105
'   ' Green ->  12
'
' 2017-03-26. Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS, CPH.
'
Public Function RGBComponent( _
    ByVal RGB As Long, _
    Optional ByVal Component As Long, _
    Optional ByRef Red As Integer, _
    Optional ByRef Green As Integer, _
    Optional ByRef Blue As Integer) _
    As Integer

    Dim Color   As Long

    If RGB <= 0 Then
        ' Return Black.
        Red = 0
        Green = 0
        Blue = 0
    Else
        ' Dissolve composite RGB into discrete colours.
        Red = RGB And vbRed
        Green = (RGB And vbGreen) / &H100
        Blue = (RGB And vbBlue) / &H10000
        ' Return chosen colour component.
        Select Case Component
            Case vbRed
                Color = Red
            Case vbGreen
                Color = Green
            Case vbBlue
                Color = Blue
            Case Else
                Color = vbBlack
        End Select
    End If

    Debug.Print Red, Green, Blue

    RGBComponent = Color

End Function


' Returns the numeric RGB value from an CSS RGB hex representation.
' Will accept strings with or without a leading octothorpe.
'
' Examples:
'   Color = RGBCompound("#9A690C")
'   ' Color = 813466
'   Color = RGBCompound("9A690C")
'   ' Color = 813466
'
' 2017-03-26. Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS, CPH.
'
Public Function RGBCompound( _
    ByVal HexRGB As String) _
    As Long

    ' Format of RGB hex strings.
    Const RGBPrefix As String = "#"
    Const Length    As Integer = 6
    ' Format of Hex values.
    Const HexPrefix As String = "&H"

    Dim Start       As Integer
    Dim Color       As Long

    If Mid(HexRGB, 1, 1) = RGBPrefix Then
        Start = 1
    End If
    If Len(HexRGB) = Start + Length Then
        Color = RGB( _
            HexPrefix & Mid(HexRGB, Start + 1, 2), _
            HexPrefix & Mid(HexRGB, Start + 3, 2), _
            HexPrefix & Mid(HexRGB, Start + 5, 2))
    End If

    RGBCompound = Color

End Function


' Returns the CSS hex representation of a decimal RGB value ' with or
without a leading octothorpe.
'
' Example:
'   CSSValue = RGBHex(813466)
'   ' CSSValue = "#9A690C"
'   CSSValue = RGBHex(813466, True)
'   ' CSSValue = "9A690C"
'
' 2017-03-26. Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS, CPH.
'
Public Function RGBHex( _
    ByVal Color As Long, _
    Optional ByVal NoPrefix As Boolean) _
    As String

    ' Format of RGB hex strings.
    Const RGBPrefix As String = "#"

    Dim Red     As Integer
    Dim Green   As Integer
    Dim Blue    As Integer
    Dim HexRGB  As String

    RGBComponent Color, , Red, Green, Blue

    If Not NoPrefix Then
        ' Set prefix.
        HexRGB = RGBPrefix
    End If
    ' Assemble compound string with leading zeroes for small values.
    HexRGB = HexRGB & _
        Right("0" & Hex(Red), 2) & _
        Right("0" & Hex(Green), 2) & _
        Right("0" & Hex(Blue), 2)

    RGBHex = HexRGB

End Function
</code>

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Rocky Smolin
<rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Sendt: 9. april 2017 06:18:19
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Off Topic'
Emne: [AccessD] Color Number Format

Dear List(s):

In A2003 colors in the property sheet were entered in decimal by default
(Back Color, Border Color, etc.)

In A2010 the default is Hex (#nnnnnn).

I would like it to default to decimal but can't find where that switch is.

Does anybody know?

MTIA
Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

<http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com

<http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Apr  9 20:35:52 2017
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2017 19:35:52 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Color Number Format
In-Reply-To: <000601d2b13c$381c7970$a8556c50$@bchacc.com>
References: <02ea01d2b0e8$51cbfcf0$f563f6d0$@bchacc.com>
	<VI1PR06MB1165890837EEFA91A563B6C2CA0E0@VI1PR06MB1165.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<000601d2b13c$381c7970$a8556c50$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <1649879687.65854932.1491788152078.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Standards? You jest.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "rockysmolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 9, 2017 7:18:54 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Color Number Format

Gustav:

So I discovered by accident (or brilliant deduction) last night that the RGB
representation in the property sheet with # was the reverse of the &H
representation in VBA.

Why would they do that?  Some programmer's sense of humor?

I think I'm going to switch to a simpler language like Mandarin or ancient
Aramaic. :)

But your code goes in my library.  Somehow I managed 20 years of Access
development without having to fiddle with this. But in 2010 because the
property sheet is in that #nnnnnn format I probably will again.

Is there no preference switch somewhere to have access display decimal in
the property sheet like good old Access 2003?

Thank you.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2017 2:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Off Topic'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Color Number Format

Hi Rocky

The #112233 format is still in RGB sequence but it's a hex representation,
not the hex value.

The hex value will be &H332211 because Red is the "small" component.

Recently, I had a lot of similar conversions to do and made these small
functions to minimise the dull work:


' Calculate discrete RGB colours from a composite colour value and ' return
one component.
' Also, by reference, return all components.
'
' Examples:
'   Simple print of the components:
'
'   SomeColor = 813466
'   RGBComponent SomeColor
'   ' Debug Print:
'   ' 154           105           12
'
'   Get one component from a colour value:
'
'   Dim SomeColor   As Long
'   Dim Green       As Integer
'   SomeColor = 13466
'   Green = RGBComponent(SomeColor, vbGreen)
'   ' Green ->  52
'
'   Get all components from a colour value:
'
'   Dim SomeColor   As Long
'   Dim Red         As Integer
'   Dim Green       As Integer
'   Dim Blue        As Integer
'   SomeColor = 813466
'   RGBComponent SomeColor, , Red, Green, Blue
'   ' Red   -> 154
'   ' Green -> 105
'   ' Green ->  12
'
' 2017-03-26. Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS, CPH.
'
Public Function RGBComponent( _
    ByVal RGB As Long, _
    Optional ByVal Component As Long, _
    Optional ByRef Red As Integer, _
    Optional ByRef Green As Integer, _
    Optional ByRef Blue As Integer) _
    As Integer
    
    Dim Color   As Long
  
    If RGB <= 0 Then
        ' Return Black.
        Red = 0
        Green = 0
        Blue = 0
    Else
        ' Dissolve composite RGB into discrete colours.
        Red = RGB And vbRed
        Green = (RGB And vbGreen) / &H100
        Blue = (RGB And vbBlue) / &H10000
        ' Return chosen colour component.
        Select Case Component
            Case vbRed
                Color = Red
            Case vbGreen
                Color = Green
            Case vbBlue
                Color = Blue
            Case Else
                Color = vbBlack
        End Select
    End If
    
    Debug.Print Red, Green, Blue
    
    RGBComponent = Color

End Function


' Returns the numeric RGB value from an CSS RGB hex representation.
' Will accept strings with or without a leading octothorpe.
'
' Examples:
'   Color = RGBCompound("#9A690C")
'   ' Color = 813466
'   Color = RGBCompound("9A690C")
'   ' Color = 813466
'
' 2017-03-26. Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS, CPH.
'
Public Function RGBCompound( _
    ByVal HexRGB As String) _
    As Long
    
    ' Format of RGB hex strings.
    Const RGBPrefix As String = "#"
    Const Length    As Integer = 6
    ' Format of Hex values.
    Const HexPrefix As String = "&H"
    
    Dim Start       As Integer
    Dim Color       As Long
    
    If Mid(HexRGB, 1, 1) = RGBPrefix Then
        Start = 1
    End If
    If Len(HexRGB) = Start + Length Then
        Color = RGB( _
            HexPrefix & Mid(HexRGB, Start + 1, 2), _
            HexPrefix & Mid(HexRGB, Start + 3, 2), _
            HexPrefix & Mid(HexRGB, Start + 5, 2))
    End If
    
    RGBCompound = Color
    
End Function


' Returns the CSS hex representation of a decimal RGB value ' with or
without a leading octothorpe.
'
' Example:
'   CSSValue = RGBHex(813466)
'   ' CSSValue = "#9A690C"
'   CSSValue = RGBHex(813466, True)
'   ' CSSValue = "9A690C"
'
' 2017-03-26. Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS, CPH.
'
Public Function RGBHex( _
    ByVal Color As Long, _
    Optional ByVal NoPrefix As Boolean) _
    As String
    
    ' Format of RGB hex strings.
    Const RGBPrefix As String = "#"
    
    Dim Red     As Integer
    Dim Green   As Integer
    Dim Blue    As Integer
    Dim HexRGB  As String
    
    RGBComponent Color, , Red, Green, Blue
    
    If Not NoPrefix Then
        ' Set prefix.
        HexRGB = RGBPrefix
    End If
    ' Assemble compound string with leading zeroes for small values.
    HexRGB = HexRGB & _
        Right("0" & Hex(Red), 2) & _
        Right("0" & Hex(Green), 2) & _
        Right("0" & Hex(Blue), 2)
    
    RGBHex = HexRGB
    
End Function


/gustav

________________________________________
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<rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Sendt: 9. april 2017 06:18:19
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Off Topic'
Emne: [AccessD] Color Number Format

Dear List(s):

In A2003 colors in the property sheet were entered in decimal by default
(Back Color, Border Color, etc.)

In A2010 the default is Hex (#nnnnnn).

I would like it to default to decimal but can't find where that switch is.

Does anybody know?

MTIA
Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

 <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Apr 10 03:31:01 2017
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 08:31:01 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Xamarin Studio Community
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB11653CE003DA16EB9369EAF9CA010@VI1PR06MB1165.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi all

Xamarin Studio Community is free for individual developers, open source projects, academic research, education, and small professional teams:

    https://www.xamarin.com/download

Write your apps entirely in C# and share the same code on iOS, Android, Windows, Mac and more.

Also for OS X.

/gustav

From bradm at blackforestltd.com  Tue Apr 11 11:21:27 2017
From: bradm at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 16:21:27 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Access and Trello
In-Reply-To: <794753747.53124305.1491357504094.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <MWHPR05MB324618D3200CF6A5269BF77ECF080@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
	<512434621.49421154.1491249424580.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<MWHPR05MB32463BF3A53B33C5437A3DA2CF080@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>,
	<794753747.53124305.1491357504094.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <MWHPR05MB3246700AC59E25248D2BBFE1CF000@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Jim,


I continue to watch YouTube videos and read articles about Trello and similar tools such as Asana.  I have also started to experiment with the various features in Trello.


The more I work with Trello, the more I like it.  I think that it will be a great tool for my use in project management and for keeping track of work that needs to be completed.


I still have not figured out how to feed data into Trello from Access.  This is not a big deal, I was just curious if this was possible and curious if others here on AccessD had used Trello and perhaps knew how to push data into Trello from Access.


I really like the fact that Trello is free and Cloud-based, plus it is accessible from all platforms.


Brad


________________________________
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 8:58:24 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Microsoft Access and Trello

Keep me posted on how you like the product. :-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad Marks" <bradm at blackforestltd.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 1:09:21 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Microsoft Access and Trello

Jim,

I am not familiar with NextCloud but I may take a look at it.  The picture keeps changing with Cloud-based applications.

One of the things that I really like about Trello is that it is very "visually based" and therefore easy to use.

Also, Trello is accessible on various devices (iphone, iPad, Android phones, Apple computers, Windows PCs, etc).  I use a Windows PC and an Android tablet.  My wife has an iPhone and an iPad.

Over the years, I have tried to become more organized both at work and at home via various methods (writing on napkins, sticky notes, files in Drop-Box, 80 column computer cards - not kidding, Word documents, Excel files, etc, etc.)   I think that I have finally found something that is much much better than the methods that I have used in the past.

Brad






-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 2:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Microsoft Access and Trello

Hi Brad:

Trello looks like a very interesting package.

I have been using NextCloud (https://nextcloud.com/) in the same fashion. My current version is running off a Raspberry PI3, with a 2 TB portable hard drive connected...and "yes" it is more than adequate. Right now the family has just been using it to sync music and pictures between family members but I understand it has the capability of running fully collaborative projects like coding, documents, spreadsheets and project management. The main reason I like NextCloud is because it can be downloaded and run on your own equipment. The draw back is that the performance is limited to the bandwidth you have. Of course if the product is being principally used within a network, there are no such issues.

I was using ownCloud, for managing our vacation planning, last year, before the product forked but I think the NextCloud iteration is superior in design and performance.

Trello, may have some extra management features but I will have to check it out before any conclusions, but it does look like a package well worth investigating.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad Marks" <bradm at blackforestltd.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 11:21:19 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Access and Trello

All,

A friend recently introduced me to Trello which is a very nice free cloud-based project management system.  I have started to experiment with Trello and the more I work with it, the more I like it.  I am starting to use it both at work and on the home front to keep track of projects, tasks, to-do lists, vacation plans, etc, etc.

I have two questions.

Is anyone else here in AccessD using Trello?

If so, has anyone experimented with the Trello APIs?  I would like learn more about exchanging data between Microsoft Access and Trello.

Thanks,
Brad

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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Tue Apr 11 12:29:19 2017
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 13:29:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Access and Trello
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I have Trello. I thought I was going to really like it, and for some 
things I do. If I had one project to see through from beginning to end, 
I think I would like it better.

What I want is a product that will let me look at today, for example, 
and show me what is needed for each of the projects I have running.

Have you found a way to do that with Trello?

T


Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 04/03/17 2:21 PM, Brad Marks wrote:
> All,
>
> A friend recently introduced me to Trello which is a very nice free cloud-based project management system.  I have started to experiment with Trello and the more I work with it, the more I like it.  I am starting to use it both at work and on the home front to keep track of projects, tasks, to-do lists, vacation plans, etc, etc.
>
> I have two questions.
>
> Is anyone else here in AccessD using Trello?
>
> If so, has anyone experimented with the Trello APIs?  I would like learn more about exchanging data between Microsoft Access and Trello.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>


From bradm at blackforestltd.com  Tue Apr 11 14:11:41 2017
From: bradm at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 19:11:41 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Access and Trello
In-Reply-To: <ad8609c9-96db-7aa0-c6a5-7a030551c191@torchlake.com>
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	<ad8609c9-96db-7aa0-c6a5-7a030551c191@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <MWHPR05MB3246C37075E5BD37E7B71FC5CF000@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Tina,

I am by no means a Trello expert.  I have watched quite a few Trello training videos while at the local fitness center (all machines have flat screens for internet access).
I have also experimented with many of the Trello features.

One of the things that I like is the flexibility of Trello that allows a person to do things "their way" instead of being forced into a certain method by the software.

However, such flexibility also can be a bit confusing.  One person may use Trello one way and a second person may use the product another way.

I currently have Trello set up for multiple projects with one board per project.  Therefore I flip between boards to see the tasks that I need to work on today.

I could have set up a single Trello board with one or more lists for each project.  This would provide a single place to look for today's work.

Another method would be to have a "To Do Immediately" list with tasks from multiple projects.  There is a "Card Linking" feature in Trello that I have not yet played with.  I will let you know what I learn from my experiments with linking cards.

I am curious how you are using Trello and what other tools you have looked at or are currently using.

Thanks,
Brad   

  

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 12:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Microsoft Access and Trello

I have Trello. I thought I was going to really like it, and for some things I do. If I had one project to see through from beginning to end, I think I would like it better.

What I want is a product that will let me look at today, for example, and show me what is needed for each of the projects I have running.

Have you found a way to do that with Trello?

T


Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 04/03/17 2:21 PM, Brad Marks wrote:
> All,
>
> A friend recently introduced me to Trello which is a very nice free cloud-based project management system.  I have started to experiment with Trello and the more I work with it, the more I like it.  I am starting to use it both at work and on the home front to keep track of projects, tasks, to-do lists, vacation plans, etc, etc.
>
> I have two questions.
>
> Is anyone else here in AccessD using Trello?
>
> If so, has anyone experimented with the Trello APIs?  I would like learn more about exchanging data between Microsoft Access and Trello.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>

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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Tue Apr 11 14:37:00 2017
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John W. Clark)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 19:37:00 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Access and Trello
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	<MWHPR05MB3246C37075E5BD37E7B71FC5CF000@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
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I am listening in to y'all on this because it sound like it might be something for me.


My job recently became extremely hectic and I feel as though I am drowning in work. Part of the problem is that the jobs are coming in so rapidly...anywhere from 3-6 for ever one I complete. Another issue is that I am not naturally a very organized person...it is not come natural to me and I have to work at it. And a 3rd factor is that the jobs are quite varied...one call might be regarding IP phones, then the next one is about email, and then a program issue followed by a network user who needs rights to some obscure directory.


I was trying to flag them in email as they came in, but some are phone calls and in person. So, then I began using my white board...it has always been my saving grace; my Jiminy Cricket of organization...but that isn't working this time either. I'm thinking that, because this goes on my computer at work and has an app for my phone, I can come into my day already organized and if I begin that way it might carry on.


Basically, after my whole rant (Tina knows how I can be) I'm just saying I appreciate the conversation.

________________________________
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of Brad Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 3:11:41 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Microsoft Access and Trello

Tina,

I am by no means a Trello expert.  I have watched quite a few Trello training videos while at the local fitness center (all machines have flat screens for internet access).
I have also experimented with many of the Trello features.

One of the things that I like is the flexibility of Trello that allows a person to do things "their way" instead of being forced into a certain method by the software.

However, such flexibility also can be a bit confusing.  One person may use Trello one way and a second person may use the product another way.

I currently have Trello set up for multiple projects with one board per project.  Therefore I flip between boards to see the tasks that I need to work on today.

I could have set up a single Trello board with one or more lists for each project.  This would provide a single place to look for today's work.

Another method would be to have a "To Do Immediately" list with tasks from multiple projects.  There is a "Card Linking" feature in Trello that I have not yet played with.  I will let you know what I learn from my experiments with linking cards.

I am curious how you are using Trello and what other tools you have looked at or are currently using.

Thanks,
Brad



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 12:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Microsoft Access and Trello

I have Trello. I thought I was going to really like it, and for some things I do. If I had one project to see through from beginning to end, I think I would like it better.

What I want is a product that will let me look at today, for example, and show me what is needed for each of the projects I have running.

Have you found a way to do that with Trello?

T


Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 04/03/17 2:21 PM, Brad Marks wrote:
> All,
>
> A friend recently introduced me to Trello which is a very nice free cloud-based project management system.  I have started to experiment with Trello and the more I work with it, the more I like it.  I am starting to use it both at work and on the home front to keep track of projects, tasks, to-do lists, vacation plans, etc, etc.
>
> I have two questions.
>
> Is anyone else here in AccessD using Trello?
>
> If so, has anyone experimented with the Trello APIs?  I would like learn more about exchanging data between Microsoft Access and Trello.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>

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From bradm at blackforestltd.com  Tue Apr 11 15:02:05 2017
From: bradm at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 20:02:05 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Access and Trello
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John,

I have struggled for many years in trying to become more organized.  I have tried many methods, both manual (paper-based) and electronic (Word Docs, Drop Box, Google Drive, Google Keep, etc).  At times, I have so many tasks to do and new requests coming in that I feel overwhelmed and I am afraid that things will slip through the cracks.  When a friend suggested that I try Trello, I was not very enthused about "just another tool".  However, after playing with Trello for a few weeks, I am starting to feel that this tool is just what I needed to become more organized.

I would suggest that you view some of the Trello videos on YouTube and then play with it on the home front for a week or so.

In my prior job, I had a big white board in my office with columns of yellow sticky notes.  This method sort of worked, but because it was paper-based, I could not access it offsite.  

In Trello, there are "boards" which could be viewed as multiple "white boards".  Each Trello board contains "Lists" which are sort of like a column of sticky notes on my old white board.  Each Trello list is comprised of "Cards" which could be equated to the yellow sticky notes.  However, a Trello card can contain additional info and a person can do "Searches" for specific details.   

If you have specific questions, feel free to ask.  Again, I am no expert, but I am learning and so far I am very pleased with what I seen.

If this discussion should be moved to another place, just let me know, as I am not sure how to do this.      

Brad    


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Clark
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 2:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Microsoft Access and Trello


I am listening in to y'all on this because it sound like it might be something for me.


My job recently became extremely hectic and I feel as though I am drowning in work. Part of the problem is that the jobs are coming in so rapidly...anywhere from 3-6 for ever one I complete. Another issue is that I am not naturally a very organized person...it is not come natural to me and I have to work at it. And a 3rd factor is that the jobs are quite varied...one call might be regarding IP phones, then the next one is about email, and then a program issue followed by a network user who needs rights to some obscure directory.


I was trying to flag them in email as they came in, but some are phone calls and in person. So, then I began using my white board...it has always been my saving grace; my Jiminy Cricket of organization...but that isn't working this time either. I'm thinking that, because this goes on my computer at work and has an app for my phone, I can come into my day already organized and if I begin that way it might carry on.


Basically, after my whole rant (Tina knows how I can be) I'm just saying I appreciate the conversation.

________________________________
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of Brad Marks <bradm at blackforestltd.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 3:11:41 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Microsoft Access and Trello

Tina,

I am by no means a Trello expert.  I have watched quite a few Trello training videos while at the local fitness center (all machines have flat screens for internet access).
I have also experimented with many of the Trello features.

One of the things that I like is the flexibility of Trello that allows a person to do things "their way" instead of being forced into a certain method by the software.

However, such flexibility also can be a bit confusing.  One person may use Trello one way and a second person may use the product another way.

I currently have Trello set up for multiple projects with one board per project.  Therefore I flip between boards to see the tasks that I need to work on today.

I could have set up a single Trello board with one or more lists for each project.  This would provide a single place to look for today's work.

Another method would be to have a "To Do Immediately" list with tasks from multiple projects.  There is a "Card Linking" feature in Trello that I have not yet played with.  I will let you know what I learn from my experiments with linking cards.

I am curious how you are using Trello and what other tools you have looked at or are currently using.

Thanks,
Brad



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 12:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Microsoft Access and Trello

I have Trello. I thought I was going to really like it, and for some things I do. If I had one project to see through from beginning to end, I think I would like it better.

What I want is a product that will let me look at today, for example, and show me what is needed for each of the projects I have running.

Have you found a way to do that with Trello?

T


Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 04/03/17 2:21 PM, Brad Marks wrote:
> All,
>
> A friend recently introduced me to Trello which is a very nice free cloud-based project management system.  I have started to experiment with Trello and the more I work with it, the more I like it.  I am starting to use it both at work and on the home front to keep track of projects, tasks, to-do lists, vacation plans, etc, etc.
>
> I have two questions.
>
> Is anyone else here in AccessD using Trello?
>
> If so, has anyone experimented with the Trello APIs?  I would like learn more about exchanging data between Microsoft Access and Trello.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>

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From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz  Tue Apr 11 15:03:00 2017
From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 08:03:00 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Access and Trello
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	<794753747.53124305.1491357504094.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<MWHPR05MB3246700AC59E25248D2BBFE1CF000@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <6604E10D04714278AEB555BC7EDE6164@SteveT540p>

Hi Brad

What kind of data do you want to feed into Trello from Access?

You can send data to Trello via email, and you can send data from Access by 
email.  Maybe that is an avenue to explore.

Regards
Steve


-----Original Message----- 
From: Brad Marks
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 4:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Microsoft Access and Trello

Jim,


I continue to watch YouTube videos and read articles about Trello and 
similar tools such as Asana.  I have also started to experiment with the 
various features in Trello.


The more I work with Trello, the more I like it.  I think that it will be a 
great tool for my use in project management and for keeping track of work 
that needs to be completed.


I still have not figured out how to feed data into Trello from Access.  This 
is not a big deal, I was just curious if this was possible and curious if 
others here on AccessD had used Trello and perhaps knew how to push data 
into Trello from Access.


I really like the fact that Trello is free and Cloud-based, plus it is 
accessible from all platforms.


Brad


________________________________
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of Jim 
Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 8:58:24 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Microsoft Access and Trello

Keep me posted on how you like the product. :-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad Marks" <bradm at blackforestltd.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 1:09:21 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Microsoft Access and Trello

Jim,

I am not familiar with NextCloud but I may take a look at it.  The picture 
keeps changing with Cloud-based applications.

One of the things that I really like about Trello is that it is very 
"visually based" and therefore easy to use.

Also, Trello is accessible on various devices (iphone, iPad, Android phones, 
Apple computers, Windows PCs, etc).  I use a Windows PC and an Android 
tablet.  My wife has an iPhone and an iPad.

Over the years, I have tried to become more organized both at work and at 
home via various methods (writing on napkins, sticky notes, files in 
Drop-Box, 80 column computer cards - not kidding, Word documents, Excel 
files, etc, etc.)   I think that I have finally found something that is much 
much better than the methods that I have used in the past.

Brad






-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim 
Lawrence
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 2:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Microsoft Access and Trello

Hi Brad:

Trello looks like a very interesting package.

I have been using NextCloud (https://nextcloud.com/) in the same fashion. My 
current version is running off a Raspberry PI3, with a 2 TB portable hard 
drive connected...and "yes" it is more than adequate. Right now the family 
has just been using it to sync music and pictures between family members but 
I understand it has the capability of running fully collaborative projects 
like coding, documents, spreadsheets and project management. The main reason 
I like NextCloud is because it can be downloaded and run on your own 
equipment. The draw back is that the performance is limited to the bandwidth 
you have. Of course if the product is being principally used within a 
network, there are no such issues.

I was using ownCloud, for managing our vacation planning, last year, before 
the product forked but I think the NextCloud iteration is superior in design 
and performance.

Trello, may have some extra management features but I will have to check it 
out before any conclusions, but it does look like a package well worth 
investigating.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad Marks" <bradm at blackforestltd.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 11:21:19 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Access and Trello

All,

A friend recently introduced me to Trello which is a very nice free 
cloud-based project management system.  I have started to experiment with 
Trello and the more I work with it, the more I like it.  I am starting to 
use it both at work and on the home front to keep track of projects, tasks, 
to-do lists, vacation plans, etc, etc.

I have two questions.

Is anyone else here in AccessD using Trello?

If so, has anyone experimented with the Trello APIs?  I would like learn 
more about exchanging data between Microsoft Access and Trello.

Thanks,
Brad



From bradm at blackforestltd.com  Tue Apr 11 15:12:20 2017
From: bradm at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 20:12:20 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Access and Trello
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Steve,

Thanks for the suggestion, I had not considered this approach.

I work part time for small manufacturing firm which sells very customized products.

Currently I pull data from a purchased manufacturing system database to create a number of Access reports for our users.  I was thinking that some of the info on these reports would fit nicely into a Trello list, but I have not been able to figure out how to feed this data from Access directly into Trello.  Although we might not use this approach in the near term, I  think that having an example of an "Access to Trello Feed" would be a good thing to have in our bag of tricks.

Brad

       


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 3:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Microsoft Access and Trello

Hi Brad

What kind of data do you want to feed into Trello from Access?

You can send data to Trello via email, and you can send data from Access by email.  Maybe that is an avenue to explore.

Regards
Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Marks
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 4:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Microsoft Access and Trello

Jim,


I continue to watch YouTube videos and read articles about Trello and similar tools such as Asana.  I have also started to experiment with the various features in Trello.


The more I work with Trello, the more I like it.  I think that it will be a great tool for my use in project management and for keeping track of work that needs to be completed.


I still have not figured out how to feed data into Trello from Access.  This is not a big deal, I was just curious if this was possible and curious if others here on AccessD had used Trello and perhaps knew how to push data into Trello from Access.


I really like the fact that Trello is free and Cloud-based, plus it is accessible from all platforms.


Brad


________________________________
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of Jim 
Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 8:58:24 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Microsoft Access and Trello

Keep me posted on how you like the product. :-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad Marks" <bradm at blackforestltd.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 1:09:21 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Microsoft Access and Trello

Jim,

I am not familiar with NextCloud but I may take a look at it.  The picture 
keeps changing with Cloud-based applications.

One of the things that I really like about Trello is that it is very 
"visually based" and therefore easy to use.

Also, Trello is accessible on various devices (iphone, iPad, Android phones, 
Apple computers, Windows PCs, etc).  I use a Windows PC and an Android 
tablet.  My wife has an iPhone and an iPad.

Over the years, I have tried to become more organized both at work and at 
home via various methods (writing on napkins, sticky notes, files in 
Drop-Box, 80 column computer cards - not kidding, Word documents, Excel 
files, etc, etc.)   I think that I have finally found something that is much 
much better than the methods that I have used in the past.

Brad






-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim 
Lawrence
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 2:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Microsoft Access and Trello

Hi Brad:

Trello looks like a very interesting package.

I have been using NextCloud (https://nextcloud.com/) in the same fashion. My 
current version is running off a Raspberry PI3, with a 2 TB portable hard 
drive connected...and "yes" it is more than adequate. Right now the family 
has just been using it to sync music and pictures between family members but 
I understand it has the capability of running fully collaborative projects 
like coding, documents, spreadsheets and project management. The main reason 
I like NextCloud is because it can be downloaded and run on your own 
equipment. The draw back is that the performance is limited to the bandwidth 
you have. Of course if the product is being principally used within a 
network, there are no such issues.

I was using ownCloud, for managing our vacation planning, last year, before 
the product forked but I think the NextCloud iteration is superior in design 
and performance.

Trello, may have some extra management features but I will have to check it 
out before any conclusions, but it does look like a package well worth 
investigating.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad Marks" <bradm at blackforestltd.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 11:21:19 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Access and Trello

All,

A friend recently introduced me to Trello which is a very nice free 
cloud-based project management system.  I have started to experiment with 
Trello and the more I work with it, the more I like it.  I am starting to 
use it both at work and on the home front to keep track of projects, tasks, 
to-do lists, vacation plans, etc, etc.

I have two questions.

Is anyone else here in AccessD using Trello?

If so, has anyone experimented with the Trello APIs?  I would like learn 
more about exchanging data between Microsoft Access and Trello.

Thanks,
Brad


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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Apr 11 20:12:22 2017
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 01:12:22 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Access and Trello
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR05MB3246C37075E5BD37E7B71FC5CF000@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR05MB324618D3200CF6A5269BF77ECF080@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
	<ad8609c9-96db-7aa0-c6a5-7a030551c191@torchlake.com>
	<MWHPR05MB3246C37075E5BD37E7B71FC5CF000@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <SYXPR01MB1071E734A35B1D0A1C3D7598FC030@SYXPR01MB1071.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>

"What other tools you have looked at or are currently using..."

Worth a look:

<<https://financesonline.com/top-5-trello-alternatives/>>

If you like Gantt charts and/or working with a spreadsheet layout, Then I recommend you try out Smartsheet

<<https://www.smartsheet.com/>>

There are many options, I think (as others have mentioned) the key is to find one that works for you.  I suggest you trial several of them and see what fits best for the task.

Good luck.
Cheers
Darryl.


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Wednesday, 12 April 2017 5:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Microsoft Access and Trello

Tina,

I am by no means a Trello expert.  I have watched quite a few Trello training videos while at the local fitness center (all machines have flat screens for internet access).
I have also experimented with many of the Trello features.

One of the things that I like is the flexibility of Trello that allows a person to do things "their way" instead of being forced into a certain method by the software.

However, such flexibility also can be a bit confusing.  One person may use Trello one way and a second person may use the product another way.

I currently have Trello set up for multiple projects with one board per project.  Therefore I flip between boards to see the tasks that I need to work on today.

I could have set up a single Trello board with one or more lists for each project.  This would provide a single place to look for today's work.

Another method would be to have a "To Do Immediately" list with tasks from multiple projects.  There is a "Card Linking" feature in Trello that I have not yet played with.  I will let you know what I learn from my experiments with linking cards.

I am curious how you are using Trello and what other tools you have looked at or are currently using.

Thanks,
Brad   

  

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 12:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Microsoft Access and Trello

I have Trello. I thought I was going to really like it, and for some things I do. If I had one project to see through from beginning to end, I think I would like it better.

What I want is a product that will let me look at today, for example, and show me what is needed for each of the projects I have running.

Have you found a way to do that with Trello?

T


Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 04/03/17 2:21 PM, Brad Marks wrote:
> All,
>
> A friend recently introduced me to Trello which is a very nice free cloud-based project management system.  I have started to experiment with Trello and the more I work with it, the more I like it.  I am starting to use it both at work and on the home front to keep track of projects, tasks, to-do lists, vacation plans, etc, etc.
>
> I have two questions.
>
> Is anyone else here in AccessD using Trello?
>
> If so, has anyone experimented with the Trello APIs?  I would like learn more about exchanging data between Microsoft Access and Trello.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Apr 12 11:38:48 2017
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 09:38:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Synchronizing two subforms
Message-ID: <00a401d2b3ab$428cf800$c7a6e800$@bchacc.com>

Dear List(s):

 

A client has a requirement for a Gantt chart which would be a piece of cake
to automate out of the back end - the first six columns would be frozen and
so scrolling to the right would keep those first six in view.

 

However, he wants it in a form inside the front end.  So my first design
thought was to make two continuous sub-forms - the left one would be the
first six fields, the right one would be dates with colors and notes
describing the status of various tasks. 

 

The records to be displayed are courses given all over the country for CPA's
continuing education.

 

The problem is that as the left subform was scrolled vertically to show more
courses, the right one should keep pace so the records on either side stay
aligned.  But I'm not sure how to do that.

 

Or is there's another approach using one form but would keep those first six
fields on the display while the user scrolled to the right to display more
calendar.

 

Any ideas?

 

MTIA,

 

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

 <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com

 <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com

Skype: rocky.smolin

 

 


From bensonforums at gmail.com  Wed Apr 12 12:01:15 2017
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 13:01:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Synchronizing two subforms
In-Reply-To: <00a401d2b3ab$428cf800$c7a6e800$@bchacc.com>
References: <00a401d2b3ab$428cf800$c7a6e800$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_34T=qOsfO9kVZ4-NEZzc9pqdKxqt6KJeiMtbN2US4K=A@mail.gmail.com>

Rocky, can the right-hand form be filtered to just the active record on the
left form? If so, I would actually put it under the 1st continuous form,
and in the On_Current event of the 1st child form, refresh the 2nd child
form.

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:

> Dear List(s):
>
>
>
> A client has a requirement for a Gantt chart which would be a piece of cake
> to automate out of the back end - the first six columns would be frozen and
> so scrolling to the right would keep those first six in view.
>
>
>
> However, he wants it in a form inside the front end.  So my first design
> thought was to make two continuous sub-forms - the left one would be the
> first six fields, the right one would be dates with colors and notes
> describing the status of various tasks.
>
>
>
> The records to be displayed are courses given all over the country for
> CPA's
> continuing education.
>
>
>
> The problem is that as the left subform was scrolled vertically to show
> more
> courses, the right one should keep pace so the records on either side stay
> aligned.  But I'm not sure how to do that.
>
>
>
> Or is there's another approach using one form but would keep those first
> six
> fields on the display while the user scrolled to the right to display more
> calendar.
>
>
>
> Any ideas?
>
>
>
> MTIA,
>
>
>
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 760-683-5777
>
>  <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com
>
>  <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
>
>
>
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Apr 12 12:12:04 2017
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 10:12:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Synchronizing two subforms
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_34T=qOsfO9kVZ4-NEZzc9pqdKxqt6KJeiMtbN2US4K=A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00a401d2b3ab$428cf800$c7a6e800$@bchacc.com>
	<CAJLzs_34T=qOsfO9kVZ4-NEZzc9pqdKxqt6KJeiMtbN2US4K=A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00c601d2b3af$e88402e0$b98c08a0$@bchacc.com>

Bill:

I don't think filtering the right hand form to one record will satisfy the
client.  It should look more or less like a spreadsheet with the first six
columns frozen so as it's scrolled vertically, the dates running out to the
right stay in synch with the course data on the left. 


Rocky
'
-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Bill Benson
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 10:01 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Synchronizing two subforms

Rocky, can the right-hand form be filtered to just the active record on the
left form? If so, I would actually put it under the 1st continuous form, and
in the On_Current event of the 1st child form, refresh the 2nd child form.

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:

> Dear List(s):
>
>
>
> A client has a requirement for a Gantt chart which would be a piece of 
> cake to automate out of the back end - the first six columns would be 
> frozen and so scrolling to the right would keep those first six in view.
>
>
>
> However, he wants it in a form inside the front end.  So my first 
> design thought was to make two continuous sub-forms - the left one 
> would be the first six fields, the right one would be dates with 
> colors and notes describing the status of various tasks.
>
>
>
> The records to be displayed are courses given all over the country for 
> CPA's continuing education.
>
>
>
> The problem is that as the left subform was scrolled vertically to 
> show more courses, the right one should keep pace so the records on 
> either side stay aligned.  But I'm not sure how to do that.
>
>
>
> Or is there's another approach using one form but would keep those 
> first six fields on the display while the user scrolled to the right 
> to display more calendar.
>
>
>
> Any ideas?
>
>
>
> MTIA,
>
>
>
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 760-683-5777
>
>  <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com
>
>  <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
>
>
>
>
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Wed Apr 12 13:15:35 2017
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 14:15:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Synchronizing two subforms
In-Reply-To: <00c601d2b3af$e88402e0$b98c08a0$@bchacc.com>
References: <00a401d2b3ab$428cf800$c7a6e800$@bchacc.com>
	<CAJLzs_34T=qOsfO9kVZ4-NEZzc9pqdKxqt6KJeiMtbN2US4K=A@mail.gmail.com>
	<00c601d2b3af$e88402e0$b98c08a0$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_1RBbgCLW+F1M6A=9+YBR+dS4Obi3Hs4QL3W44GVsCb7g@mail.gmail.com>

Then use a bookmark and recordsetclone  might work but I don't know for
sure whether that forces the scroll to move for the form

>From my non-flammable Note 3,
Bill Benson

On Apr 12, 2017 1:13 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Bill:
>
> I don't think filtering the right hand form to one record will satisfy the
> client.  It should look more or less like a spreadsheet with the first six
> columns frozen so as it's scrolled vertically, the dates running out to the
> right stay in synch with the course data on the left.
>
>
> Rocky
> '
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Bill Benson
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 10:01 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Synchronizing two subforms
>
> Rocky, can the right-hand form be filtered to just the active record on the
> left form? If so, I would actually put it under the 1st continuous form,
> and
> in the On_Current event of the 1st child form, refresh the 2nd child form.
>
> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Dear List(s):
> >
> >
> >
> > A client has a requirement for a Gantt chart which would be a piece of
> > cake to automate out of the back end - the first six columns would be
> > frozen and so scrolling to the right would keep those first six in view.
> >
> >
> >
> > However, he wants it in a form inside the front end.  So my first
> > design thought was to make two continuous sub-forms - the left one
> > would be the first six fields, the right one would be dates with
> > colors and notes describing the status of various tasks.
> >
> >
> >
> > The records to be displayed are courses given all over the country for
> > CPA's continuing education.
> >
> >
> >
> > The problem is that as the left subform was scrolled vertically to
> > show more courses, the right one should keep pace so the records on
> > either side stay aligned.  But I'm not sure how to do that.
> >
> >
> >
> > Or is there's another approach using one form but would keep those
> > first six fields on the display while the user scrolled to the right
> > to display more calendar.
> >
> >
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> >
> >
> > MTIA,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> >
> > Beach Access Software
> >
> > 760-683-5777
> >
> >  <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com
> >
> >  <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com
> >
> > Skype: rocky.smolin
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Apr 12 17:10:53 2017
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 22:10:53 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Synchronizing two subforms
In-Reply-To: <00a401d2b3ab$428cf800$c7a6e800$@bchacc.com>
References: <00a401d2b3ab$428cf800$c7a6e800$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <HE1PR06MB1162C827E4555EFF79CC779CCA030@HE1PR06MB1162.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Rocky

You may be able to pick up some ideas here:

Synchronizing Multiple Subforms in Access
https://www.experts-exchange.com/articles/18107/Synchronizing-Multiple-Subforms-in-Access.html

/gustav
________________________________________
Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Sendt: 12. april 2017 18:38:48
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Off Topic'
Emne: [AccessD] Synchronizing two subforms

Dear List(s):

A client has a requirement for a Gantt chart which would be a piece of cake
to automate out of the back end - the first six columns would be frozen and
so scrolling to the right would keep those first six in view.

However, he wants it in a form inside the front end.  So my first design
thought was to make two continuous sub-forms - the left one would be the
first six fields, the right one would be dates with colors and notes
describing the status of various tasks.

The records to be displayed are courses given all over the country for CPA's
continuing education.

The problem is that as the left subform was scrolled vertically to show more
courses, the right one should keep pace so the records on either side stay
aligned.  But I'm not sure how to do that.

Or is there's another approach using one form but would keep those first six
fields on the display while the user scrolled to the right to display more
calendar.

Any ideas?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

 <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com

 <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com

Skype: rocky.smolin

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Apr 12 17:39:29 2017
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 15:39:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Synchronizing two subforms
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR06MB1162C827E4555EFF79CC779CCA030@HE1PR06MB1162.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <00a401d2b3ab$428cf800$c7a6e800$@bchacc.com>
	<HE1PR06MB1162C827E4555EFF79CC779CCA030@HE1PR06MB1162.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <012201d2b3dd$a5a712e0$f0f538a0$@bchacc.com>

Thanks Gustav.  I wanted to use the scroll bar and have the two subforms
move in sync. That turned out not to have a ready solution.  So I asked the
client if using the up and down arrow and the page up and down keys and he
said OK.

So I am using the KeyPress event on the main form to trap those keys and
move the recordsets of both subforms:

        Me.frmCourseGanttSchedule_Display_Left.Form.Recordset.MoveNext
        Me.frmCourseGanttSchedule_Display_Right.Form.Recordset.MoveNext

        Me.frmCourseGanttSchedule_Display_Left.Form.Recordset.MovePrevious
        Me.frmCourseGanttSchedule_Display_Right.Form.Recordset.MovePrevious

I've proven the concept now I have to implement. :)

Thank you 

Rocky

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 3:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Synchronizing two subforms

Hi Rocky

You may be able to pick up some ideas here:

Synchronizing Multiple Subforms in Access
https://www.experts-exchange.com/articles/18107/Synchronizing-Multiple-Subfo
rms-in-Access.html

/gustav
________________________________________
Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Rocky Smolin
<rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Sendt: 12. april 2017 18:38:48
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Off Topic'
Emne: [AccessD] Synchronizing two subforms

Dear List(s):

A client has a requirement for a Gantt chart which would be a piece of cake
to automate out of the back end - the first six columns would be frozen and
so scrolling to the right would keep those first six in view.

However, he wants it in a form inside the front end.  So my first design
thought was to make two continuous sub-forms - the left one would be the
first six fields, the right one would be dates with colors and notes
describing the status of various tasks.

The records to be displayed are courses given all over the country for CPA's
continuing education.

The problem is that as the left subform was scrolled vertically to show more
courses, the right one should keep pace so the records on either side stay
aligned.  But I'm not sure how to do that.

Or is there's another approach using one form but would keep those first six
fields on the display while the user scrolled to the right to display more
calendar.

Any ideas?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

 <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com

 <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com

Skype: rocky.smolin
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Apr 20 02:18:05 2017
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 07:18:05 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] LightSwitch
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB11653E9D4EC2D2DAEB458CBACA1B0@VI1PR06MB1165.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi all

It appears that VS2015 was the last version of Visual Studio to include LightSwitch:

    https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/lightswitch/2016/10/14/lightswitch-update/

Though it will be supported like VS2015 until 2020, it may be the time to look for alternatives.
Microsoft recommends PowerApps but, as you may know, this at the current state is not a programming tool but a drag-n-drop type environment living in the cloud (Azure) only.

So, browsing the numerous comments in the above link, I've located some potential alternatives:

DotVVM:
    https://www.dotvvm.com

Serene:
   https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=VolkanCeylan.SereneSerenityApplicationTemplate

I've never heard of these before. Anyone having experience with these?

/gustav



From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Apr 20 14:18:37 2017
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 13:18:37 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] LightSwitch
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB11653E9D4EC2D2DAEB458CBACA1B0@VI1PR06MB1165.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
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"DotVVM" looks like a very interesting product. Have you done any work it? 

There are so many applications out there, in the world of the internet, it is really difficult to decide which is the best horse to hitch to. Do you think the industry is heading towards more specialized wed applications or should the approach be more generic and possibly more stable (...given the example of LightSwitch)?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>, "Development in Visual Studio" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 12:18:05 AM
Subject: [AccessD] LightSwitch

Hi all

It appears that VS2015 was the last version of Visual Studio to include LightSwitch:

    https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/lightswitch/2016/10/14/lightswitch-update/

Though it will be supported like VS2015 until 2020, it may be the time to look for alternatives.
Microsoft recommends PowerApps but, as you may know, this at the current state is not a programming tool but a drag-n-drop type environment living in the cloud (Azure) only.

So, browsing the numerous comments in the above link, I've located some potential alternatives:

DotVVM:
    https://www.dotvvm.com

Serene:
   https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=VolkanCeylan.SereneSerenityApplicationTemplate

I've never heard of these before. Anyone having experience with these?

/gustav


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Apr 20 14:22:55 2017
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 13:22:55 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] LightSwitch
In-Reply-To: <1894758299.93326815.1492715917480.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
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	<1894758299.93326815.1492715917480.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <1760680959.93337843.1492716175287.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Translation: wed = web.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "accessd" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 12:18:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] LightSwitch

"DotVVM" looks like a very interesting product. Have you done any work it? 

There are so many applications out there, in the world of the internet, it is really difficult to decide which is the best horse to hitch to. Do you think the industry is heading towards more specialized wed applications or should the approach be more generic and possibly more stable (...given the example of LightSwitch)?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>, "Development in Visual Studio" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 12:18:05 AM
Subject: [AccessD] LightSwitch

Hi all

It appears that VS2015 was the last version of Visual Studio to include LightSwitch:

    https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/lightswitch/2016/10/14/lightswitch-update/

Though it will be supported like VS2015 until 2020, it may be the time to look for alternatives.
Microsoft recommends PowerApps but, as you may know, this at the current state is not a programming tool but a drag-n-drop type environment living in the cloud (Azure) only.

So, browsing the numerous comments in the above link, I've located some potential alternatives:

DotVVM:
    https://www.dotvvm.com

Serene:
   https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=VolkanCeylan.SereneSerenityApplicationTemplate

I've never heard of these before. Anyone having experience with these?

/gustav


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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Thu Apr 20 16:00:03 2017
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 17:00:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] LightSwitch
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB11653E9D4EC2D2DAEB458CBACA1B0@VI1PR06MB1165.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <VI1PR06MB11653E9D4EC2D2DAEB458CBACA1B0@VI1PR06MB1165.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <58F92153.3040400@Gmail.com>

One of many reasons I so love MS.  Ohhh the latest and greatest... 
ooohhh we're abandoning yet ANOTHER technology we pushed you to use.

On 4/20/2017 3:18 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi all
>
> It appears that VS2015 was the last version of Visual Studio to include LightSwitch:
>
>      https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/lightswitch/2016/10/14/lightswitch-update/
>
> Though it will be supported like VS2015 until 2020, it may be the time to look for alternatives.
> Microsoft recommends PowerApps but, as you may know, this at the current state is not a programming tool but a drag-n-drop type environment living in the cloud (Azure) only.
>
> So, browsing the numerous comments in the above link, I've located some potential alternatives:
>
> DotVVM:
>      https://www.dotvvm.com
>
> Serene:
>     https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=VolkanCeylan.SereneSerenityApplicationTemplate
>
> I've never heard of these before. Anyone having experience with these?
>
> /gustav
>
>

-- 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 21 01:47:44 2017
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2017 06:47:44 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] LightSwitch
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB11654F6577DCBF9C8D4A7E5CCA1A0@VI1PR06MB1165.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Jim (and Shamil)

Yes, it looks interesting. But I've never heard about it until now, so zero experience.

There is also Electron:

    https://electron.atom.io/

which you can program in TypeScript - the superset of JavaScript:

    http://www.typescriptlang.org/

If you have ever struggled with JavaScript (who hasn't), you will love the use of classes and strong typing that is adds to JavaScript while still producing pure JavaScript.

By the way, did you know that Visual Studio Code:

    https://code.visualstudio.com/

is programmed entirely in TypeScript? The combo of VSCode and TypeScript adds Intellisense to JavaScript. A must-have - and open source so free to use at zero cost.

Recently, I attended a lecture with Anders Hejlsberg (the creator of TypeScript). He is a gifted lecturer (don't ever miss to attend if you get the chance). You know - from childhood you remember the single teacher you loved because he/she always could catch your attention and interest and the bell rang before you expected it. Anders does just that.

He also told, that he got the idea for TypeScript after having seen at the team in charge of OWA (the web interface for Outlook 365) how they had built a major construction in C# to manage and generate the huge amount of JavaScript code that drives the client.

So - back to where I came form - it was at that lecture Anders mentioned Electron, because the question about JavaScript on the desktop once again was raised.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 20. april 2017 21:19
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [AccessD] LightSwitch

"DotVVM" looks like a very interesting product. Have you done any work it? 

There are so many applications out there, in the world of the internet, it is really difficult to decide which is the best horse to hitch to. Do you think the industry is heading towards more specialized wed applications or should the approach be more generic and possibly more stable (...given the example of LightSwitch)?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>, "Development in Visual Studio" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 12:18:05 AM
Subject: [AccessD] LightSwitch

Hi all

It appears that VS2015 was the last version of Visual Studio to include LightSwitch:

    https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/lightswitch/2016/10/14/lightswitch-update/

Though it will be supported like VS2015 until 2020, it may be the time to look for alternatives.
Microsoft recommends PowerApps but, as you may know, this at the current state is not a programming tool but a drag-n-drop type environment living in the cloud (Azure) only.

So, browsing the numerous comments in the above link, I've located some potential alternatives:

DotVVM:
    https://www.dotvvm.com

Serene:
   https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=VolkanCeylan.SereneSerenityApplicationTemplate

I've never heard of these before. Anyone having experience with these?

/gustav 


From pcs.accessd at gmail.com  Fri Apr 21 03:31:58 2017
From: pcs.accessd at gmail.com (Borge Hansen)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2017 16:31:58 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] LightSwitch
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB11654F6577DCBF9C8D4A7E5CCA1A0@VI1PR06MB1165.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <VI1PR06MB11654F6577DCBF9C8D4A7E5CCA1A0@VI1PR06MB1165.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
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Hi all,
The guy behind LightSwitchHelpWebsite.com is giving a heads up for a
product called Radzen.
Only had a glance at their introductory youtube video.
Appears to be built on Angular...
Here are the links FYI,
/borge

Watch the video about Radzen here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1USmcmlz58&feature=youtu.be

The free trial is here:

http://www.radzen.com/#download

The documentation is here:

http://www.radzen.com/documentation/

The cost is $599

On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 2:47 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Jim (and Shamil)
>
> Yes, it looks interesting. But I've never heard about it until now, so
> zero experience.
>
> There is also Electron:
>
>     https://electron.atom.io/
>
> which you can program in TypeScript - the superset of JavaScript:
>
>     http://www.typescriptlang.org/
>
> If you have ever struggled with JavaScript (who hasn't), you will love the
> use of classes and strong typing that is adds to JavaScript while still
> producing pure JavaScript.
>
> By the way, did you know that Visual Studio Code:
>
>     https://code.visualstudio.com/
>
> is programmed entirely in TypeScript? The combo of VSCode and TypeScript
> adds Intellisense to JavaScript. A must-have - and open source so free to
> use at zero cost.
>
> Recently, I attended a lecture with Anders Hejlsberg (the creator of
> TypeScript). He is a gifted lecturer (don't ever miss to attend if you get
> the chance). You know - from childhood you remember the single teacher you
> loved because he/she always could catch your attention and interest and the
> bell rang before you expected it. Anders does just that.
>
> He also told, that he got the idea for TypeScript after having seen at the
> team in charge of OWA (the web interface for Outlook 365) how they had
> built a major construction in C# to manage and generate the huge amount of
> JavaScript code that drives the client.
>
> So - back to where I came form - it was at that lecture Anders mentioned
> Electron, because the question about JavaScript on the desktop once again
> was raised.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af
> Jim Lawrence
> Sendt: 20. april 2017 21:19
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] LightSwitch
>
> "DotVVM" looks like a very interesting product. Have you done any work it?
>
> There are so many applications out there, in the world of the internet, it
> is really difficult to decide which is the best horse to hitch to. Do you
> think the industry is heading towards more specialized wed applications or
> should the approach be more generic and possibly more stable (...given the
> example of LightSwitch)?
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>, "Development in Visual Studio"
> databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 12:18:05 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] LightSwitch
>
> Hi all
>
> It appears that VS2015 was the last version of Visual Studio to include
> LightSwitch:
>
>     https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/lightswitch/2016/10/14/
> lightswitch-update/
>
> Though it will be supported like VS2015 until 2020, it may be the time to
> look for alternatives.
> Microsoft recommends PowerApps but, as you may know, this at the current
> state is not a programming tool but a drag-n-drop type environment living
> in the cloud (Azure) only.
>
> So, browsing the numerous comments in the above link, I've located some
> potential alternatives:
>
> DotVVM:
>     https://www.dotvvm.com
>
> Serene:
>    https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=VolkanCeylan.
> SereneSerenityApplicationTemplate
>
> I've never heard of these before. Anyone having experience with these?
>
> /gustav
>
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Fri Apr 21 23:36:52 2017
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2017 04:36:52 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] LightSwitch
In-Reply-To: <58F92153.3040400@Gmail.com>
References: <VI1PR06MB11653E9D4EC2D2DAEB458CBACA1B0@VI1PR06MB1165.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<58F92153.3040400@Gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SYXPR01MB1071CBD9C130A4A937D61837FC1D0@SYXPR01MB1071.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>

Yeah, I hear you.  I very nearly put a lot of time and effort into upskilling into Lightswitch.  Glad I didn't now.



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, 21 April 2017 7:00 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>; Development in Visual Studio <dba-vs at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] LightSwitch

One of many reasons I so love MS.  Ohhh the latest and greatest... 
ooohhh we're abandoning yet ANOTHER technology we pushed you to use.

On 4/20/2017 3:18 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi all
>
> It appears that VS2015 was the last version of Visual Studio to include LightSwitch:
>
>      https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/lightswitch/2016/10/14/lightswitch-update/
>
> Though it will be supported like VS2015 until 2020, it may be the time to look for alternatives.
> Microsoft recommends PowerApps but, as you may know, this at the current state is not a programming tool but a drag-n-drop type environment living in the cloud (Azure) only.
>
> So, browsing the numerous comments in the above link, I've located some potential alternatives:
>
> DotVVM:
>      https://www.dotvvm.com
>
> Serene:
>     https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=VolkanCeylan.SereneSerenityApplicationTemplate
>
> I've never heard of these before. Anyone having experience with these?
>
> /gustav
>
>

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Apr 23 23:59:42 2017
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2017 22:59:42 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] LightSwitch
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB11654F6577DCBF9C8D4A7E5CCA1A0@VI1PR06MB1165.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <VI1PR06MB11654F6577DCBF9C8D4A7E5CCA1A0@VI1PR06MB1165.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1325376540.101685599.1493009982748.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Hi Gustav:

I understood that Electron is a framework for creating native applications that can run on various platforms. Didn't Microsoft use Electron to compile Visual Studio Code so it could run on OSx, Free BSD and Linux?  

As long as TypeScript is going to always be fully open source and have no dependencies on specific platforms its future is assured. TypeScript sounds like a advanced JavaScript framework of which there are many excellent ones...

Here is a lecture given by Anders Hejlsberg on TypeScript that seems very interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g48K9LEhHWs

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>, "Development in Visual Studio" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 11:47:44 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] LightSwitch

Hi Jim (and Shamil)

Yes, it looks interesting. But I've never heard about it until now, so zero experience.

There is also Electron:

    https://electron.atom.io/

which you can program in TypeScript - the superset of JavaScript:

    http://www.typescriptlang.org/

If you have ever struggled with JavaScript (who hasn't), you will love the use of classes and strong typing that is adds to JavaScript while still producing pure JavaScript.

By the way, did you know that Visual Studio Code:

    https://code.visualstudio.com/

is programmed entirely in TypeScript? The combo of VSCode and TypeScript adds Intellisense to JavaScript. A must-have - and open source so free to use at zero cost.

Recently, I attended a lecture with Anders Hejlsberg (the creator of TypeScript). He is a gifted lecturer (don't ever miss to attend if you get the chance). You know - from childhood you remember the single teacher you loved because he/she always could catch your attention and interest and the bell rang before you expected it. Anders does just that.

He also told, that he got the idea for TypeScript after having seen at the team in charge of OWA (the web interface for Outlook 365) how they had built a major construction in C# to manage and generate the huge amount of JavaScript code that drives the client.

So - back to where I came form - it was at that lecture Anders mentioned Electron, because the question about JavaScript on the desktop once again was raised.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 20. april 2017 21:19
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [AccessD] LightSwitch

"DotVVM" looks like a very interesting product. Have you done any work it? 

There are so many applications out there, in the world of the internet, it is really difficult to decide which is the best horse to hitch to. Do you think the industry is heading towards more specialized wed applications or should the approach be more generic and possibly more stable (...given the example of LightSwitch)?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>, "Development in Visual Studio" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 12:18:05 AM
Subject: [AccessD] LightSwitch

Hi all

It appears that VS2015 was the last version of Visual Studio to include LightSwitch:

    https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/lightswitch/2016/10/14/lightswitch-update/

Though it will be supported like VS2015 until 2020, it may be the time to look for alternatives.
Microsoft recommends PowerApps but, as you may know, this at the current state is not a programming tool but a drag-n-drop type environment living in the cloud (Azure) only.

So, browsing the numerous comments in the above link, I've located some potential alternatives:

DotVVM:
    https://www.dotvvm.com

Serene:
   https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=VolkanCeylan.SereneSerenityApplicationTemplate

I've never heard of these before. Anyone having experience with these?

/gustav 

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Apr 24 02:31:08 2017
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2017 07:31:08 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] LightSwitch
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB116581EF164F6CC3D2CB1156CA1F0@VI1PR06MB1165.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Jim

At the landing page of Visual Studio Code:

    https://code.visualstudio.com/

and here:

    https://code.visualstudio.com/#alt-downloads

you'll see downloads for Windows, MacOS, and Linux/Debian 32/64-bit

Visual Studio IDE (the new name for the full-featured VS) is in preview for Mac:

    https://www.visualstudio.com/vs/

Due to the vast count of Linux distributions I doubt VS will ever be available for Linux; it would be an overwhelming task to maintain the installation options of this extremely complex IDE including its hypervisors. It is already difficult enough with five Windows versions (7-10, 2012 R2/2016) plus Mac.

As for TypeScript, please note that it is not a framework for JavaScript, it is a superset of JavaScript generating pure JavaScript. 
Frameworks often are hard to manage which is why Angular 2 is built with TypeScript:

    https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/typescript/2015/03/05/angular-2-built-on-typescript/

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 24. april 2017 07:00
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [AccessD] LightSwitch

Hi Gustav:

I understood that Electron is a framework for creating native applications that can run on various platforms. Didn't Microsoft use Electron to compile Visual Studio Code so it could run on OSx, Free BSD and Linux?  

As long as TypeScript is going to always be fully open source and have no dependencies on specific platforms its future is assured. TypeScript sounds like a advanced JavaScript framework of which there are many excellent ones...

Here is a lecture given by Anders Hejlsberg on TypeScript that seems very interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g48K9LEhHWs

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>, "Development in Visual Studio" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 11:47:44 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] LightSwitch

Hi Jim (and Shamil)

Yes, it looks interesting. But I've never heard about it until now, so zero experience.

There is also Electron:

    https://electron.atom.io/

which you can program in TypeScript - the superset of JavaScript:

    http://www.typescriptlang.org/

If you have ever struggled with JavaScript (who hasn't), you will love the use of classes and strong typing that is adds to JavaScript while still producing pure JavaScript.

By the way, did you know that Visual Studio Code:

    https://code.visualstudio.com/

is programmed entirely in TypeScript? The combo of VSCode and TypeScript adds Intellisense to JavaScript. A must-have - and open source so free to use at zero cost.

Recently, I attended a lecture with Anders Hejlsberg (the creator of TypeScript). He is a gifted lecturer (don't ever miss to attend if you get the chance). You know - from childhood you remember the single teacher you loved because he/she always could catch your attention and interest and the bell rang before you expected it. Anders does just that.

He also told, that he got the idea for TypeScript after having seen at the team in charge of OWA (the web interface for Outlook 365) how they had built a major construction in C# to manage and generate the huge amount of JavaScript code that drives the client.

So - back to where I came form - it was at that lecture Anders mentioned Electron, because the question about JavaScript on the desktop once again was raised.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 20. april 2017 21:19
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [AccessD] LightSwitch

"DotVVM" looks like a very interesting product. Have you done any work it? 

There are so many applications out there, in the world of the internet, it is really difficult to decide which is the best horse to hitch to. Do you think the industry is heading towards more specialized wed applications or should the approach be more generic and possibly more stable (...given the example of LightSwitch)?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>, "Development in Visual Studio" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 12:18:05 AM
Subject: [AccessD] LightSwitch

Hi all

It appears that VS2015 was the last version of Visual Studio to include LightSwitch:

    https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/lightswitch/2016/10/14/lightswitch-update/

Though it will be supported like VS2015 until 2020, it may be the time to look for alternatives.
Microsoft recommends PowerApps but, as you may know, this at the current state is not a programming tool but a drag-n-drop type environment living in the cloud (Azure) only.

So, browsing the numerous comments in the above link, I've located some potential alternatives:

DotVVM:
    https://www.dotvvm.com

Serene:
   https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=VolkanCeylan.SereneSerenityApplicationTemplate

I've never heard of these before. Anyone having experience with these?

/gustav 


From kost36 at otenet.gr  Mon Apr 24 02:54:54 2017
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2017 10:54:54 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] open an old mdb file...
Message-ID: <001e01d2bcd0$10b1c170$32154450$@otenet.gr>

Hi,
I need to open an old mdb file designed with Access 97 or 2000 (can't
remember) to get some important records...
I tried any trick I knew
Does anybody know any tool?

I use MS Office 2016 and 2016

Thanks
/kostas



From rik.vankeirsbilck at gmail.com  Mon Apr 24 02:57:23 2017
From: rik.vankeirsbilck at gmail.com (Rik Vankeirsbilck)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2017 09:57:23 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] open an old mdb file...
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User ODBC to link your data in Excel

Op 24 apr. 2017 09:56 schreef "Kostas Konstantinidis" <kost36 at otenet.gr>:

Hi,
I need to open an old mdb file designed with Access 97 or 2000 (can't
remember) to get some important records...
I tried any trick I knew
Does anybody know any tool?

I use MS Office 2016 and 2016

Thanks
/kostas


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Apr 24 02:58:59 2017
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2017 07:58:59 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] open an old mdb file...
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB1165261AED6149DD81D1857DCA1F0@VI1PR06MB1165.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Kostas

You'll need Access 2003 or lower for this.

Or you can use Visual Studio which happily will read and write to all versions at least down to Access 2.0(!).

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Kostas Konstantinidis
Sendt: 24. april 2017 09:55
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [AccessD] open an old mdb file...

Hi,
I need to open an old mdb file designed with Access 97 or 2000 (can't
remember) to get some important records...
I tried any trick I knew
Does anybody know any tool?

I use MS Office 2016 and 2016

Thanks
/kostas 


From kost36 at otenet.gr  Mon Apr 24 03:10:42 2017
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2017 11:10:42 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] open an old mdb file...
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB1165261AED6149DD81D1857DCA1F0@VI1PR06MB1165.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
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Rik and Gustav thank's
 Will try both of your suggestions

/kostas

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 10:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] open an old mdb file...

Hi Kostas

You'll need Access 2003 or lower for this.

Or you can use Visual Studio which happily will read and write to all
versions at least down to Access 2.0(!).

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af
Kostas Konstantinidis
Sendt: 24. april 2017 09:55
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [AccessD] open an old mdb file...

Hi,
I need to open an old mdb file designed with Access 97 or 2000 (can't
remember) to get some important records...
I tried any trick I knew
Does anybody know any tool?

I use MS Office 2016 and 2016

Thanks
/kostas 

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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Apr 24 04:57:32 2017
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2017 05:57:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] open an old mdb file...
In-Reply-To: <002501d2bcd2$45ea9040$d1bfb0c0$@otenet.gr>
References: <VI1PR06MB1165261AED6149DD81D1857DCA1F0@VI1PR06MB1165.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<002501d2bcd2$45ea9040$d1bfb0c0$@otenet.gr>
Message-ID: <FE88B908-58AD-40F1-9619-B912271BC2F5@verizon.net>

If you can't manage that, I can convert it for you.

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 24, 2017, at 4:10 AM, Kostas Konstantinidis <kost36 at otenet.gr> wrote:
> 
> Rik and Gustav thank's
> Will try both of your suggestions
> 
> /kostas
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Gustav Brock
> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 10:59 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] open an old mdb file...
> 
> Hi Kostas
> 
> You'll need Access 2003 or lower for this.
> 
> Or you can use Visual Studio which happily will read and write to all
> versions at least down to Access 2.0(!).
> 
> /gustav
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af
> Kostas Konstantinidis
> Sendt: 24. april 2017 09:55
> Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Emne: [AccessD] open an old mdb file...
> 
> Hi,
> I need to open an old mdb file designed with Access 97 or 2000 (can't
> remember) to get some important records...
> I tried any trick I knew
> Does anybody know any tool?
> 
> I use MS Office 2016 and 2016
> 
> Thanks
> /kostas 
> 
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From kost36 at otenet.gr  Mon Apr 24 05:16:56 2017
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2017 13:16:56 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] open an old mdb file...
In-Reply-To: <FE88B908-58AD-40F1-9619-B912271BC2F5@verizon.net>
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	<FE88B908-58AD-40F1-9619-B912271BC2F5@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <004501d2bce3$e871b5d0$b9552170$@otenet.gr>

That's like a God's gift Jim...
Check me your email address

Many thank's

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 12:58 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] open an old mdb file...

If you can't manage that, I can convert it for you.

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 24, 2017, at 4:10 AM, Kostas Konstantinidis <kost36 at otenet.gr> wrote:
> 
> Rik and Gustav thank's
> Will try both of your suggestions
> 
> /kostas
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 10:59 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] open an old mdb file...
> 
> Hi Kostas
> 
> You'll need Access 2003 or lower for this.
> 
> Or you can use Visual Studio which happily will read and write to all 
> versions at least down to Access 2.0(!).
> 
> /gustav
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af 
> Kostas Konstantinidis
> Sendt: 24. april 2017 09:55
> Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Emne: [AccessD] open an old mdb file...
> 
> Hi,
> I need to open an old mdb file designed with Access 97 or 2000 (can't
> remember) to get some important records...
> I tried any trick I knew
> Does anybody know any tool?
> 
> I use MS Office 2016 and 2016
> 
> Thanks
> /kostas
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 24 12:27:49 2017
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2017 11:27:49 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] LightSwitch
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Hi Borge:

Thanks for the links. I will be seriously looking into this application.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Borge Hansen" <pcs.accessd at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2017 1:31:58 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] LightSwitch

Hi all,
The guy behind LightSwitchHelpWebsite.com is giving a heads up for a
product called Radzen.
Only had a glance at their introductory youtube video.
Appears to be built on Angular...
Here are the links FYI,
/borge

Watch the video about Radzen here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1USmcmlz58&feature=youtu.be

The free trial is here:

http://www.radzen.com/#download

The documentation is here:

http://www.radzen.com/documentation/

The cost is $599

On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 2:47 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Jim (and Shamil)
>
> Yes, it looks interesting. But I've never heard about it until now, so
> zero experience.
>
> There is also Electron:
>
>     https://electron.atom.io/
>
> which you can program in TypeScript - the superset of JavaScript:
>
>     http://www.typescriptlang.org/
>
> If you have ever struggled with JavaScript (who hasn't), you will love the
> use of classes and strong typing that is adds to JavaScript while still
> producing pure JavaScript.
>
> By the way, did you know that Visual Studio Code:
>
>     https://code.visualstudio.com/
>
> is programmed entirely in TypeScript? The combo of VSCode and TypeScript
> adds Intellisense to JavaScript. A must-have - and open source so free to
> use at zero cost.
>
> Recently, I attended a lecture with Anders Hejlsberg (the creator of
> TypeScript). He is a gifted lecturer (don't ever miss to attend if you get
> the chance). You know - from childhood you remember the single teacher you
> loved because he/she always could catch your attention and interest and the
> bell rang before you expected it. Anders does just that.
>
> He also told, that he got the idea for TypeScript after having seen at the
> team in charge of OWA (the web interface for Outlook 365) how they had
> built a major construction in C# to manage and generate the huge amount of
> JavaScript code that drives the client.
>
> So - back to where I came form - it was at that lecture Anders mentioned
> Electron, because the question about JavaScript on the desktop once again
> was raised.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af
> Jim Lawrence
> Sendt: 20. april 2017 21:19
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] LightSwitch
>
> "DotVVM" looks like a very interesting product. Have you done any work it?
>
> There are so many applications out there, in the world of the internet, it
> is really difficult to decide which is the best horse to hitch to. Do you
> think the industry is heading towards more specialized wed applications or
> should the approach be more generic and possibly more stable (...given the
> example of LightSwitch)?
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>, "Development in Visual Studio"
> databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 12:18:05 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] LightSwitch
>
> Hi all
>
> It appears that VS2015 was the last version of Visual Studio to include
> LightSwitch:
>
>     https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/lightswitch/2016/10/14/
> lightswitch-update/
>
> Though it will be supported like VS2015 until 2020, it may be the time to
> look for alternatives.
> Microsoft recommends PowerApps but, as you may know, this at the current
> state is not a programming tool but a drag-n-drop type environment living
> in the cloud (Azure) only.
>
> So, browsing the numerous comments in the above link, I've located some
> potential alternatives:
>
> DotVVM:
>     https://www.dotvvm.com
>
> Serene:
>    https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=VolkanCeylan.
> SereneSerenityApplicationTemplate
>
> I've never heard of these before. Anyone having experience with these?
>
> /gustav
>
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Mon Apr 24 20:32:16 2017
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2017 18:32:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] open an old mdb file...
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References: <VI1PR06MB1165261AED6149DD81D1857DCA1F0@VI1PR06MB1165.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
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Actually, Access 2010 will open it.

Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 12:58 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Kostas
>
> You'll need Access 2003 or lower for this.
>
> Or you can use Visual Studio which happily will read and write to all
> versions at least down to Access 2.0(!).
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af
> Kostas Konstantinidis
> Sendt: 24. april 2017 09:55
> Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' <
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Emne: [AccessD] open an old mdb file...
>
> Hi,
> I need to open an old mdb file designed with Access 97 or 2000 (can't
> remember) to get some important records...
> I tried any trick I knew
> Does anybody know any tool?
>
> I use MS Office 2016 and 2016
>
> Thanks
> /kostas
>
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From bradm at blackforestltd.com  Mon Apr 24 20:34:26 2017
From: bradm at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 01:34:26 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Excel from Access (COM) - Need to read all rows in all
 sheets
Message-ID: <MWHPR05MB32469F0555DA6073D108BD63CF1E0@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

All,


I experimented with Access/Excel via COM a couple years ago.


I now have been given a large Excel file that has many sheets.  I need to read each row in each sheet.


Does anyone have a example of how to do this?


Thanks,

Brad

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Apr 24 22:02:57 2017
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2017 20:02:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Excel from Access (COM) - Need to read all rows in
 all sheets
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR05MB32469F0555DA6073D108BD63CF1E0@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR05MB32469F0555DA6073D108BD63CF1E0@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <00b001d2bd70$71357000$53a05000$@bchacc.com>

The easiest way to do it is to import it into an Access Table using
TransferSpreadsheet.  Then you can treat it just like any access table of
data.

Otherwise you can use automation.  Define some objects

Dim objXLApp As Object ' Excel.Application
Dim objXLBook As Object ' Excel.Workbook
Dim objXLWS As Object ' Excel.Worksheet

Then Set objXLApp = CreateObject("Excel.Application")
And objXLApp.Workbooks.Open & "MySpreadsheet.xls"

You can read the individual cells, switch sheets, cycle through the sheets -
I've used a lot of automation and anything you can do in Excel you can do to
a spreadsheet from Access using VBA.  

You can get started just by Googling Access Automation of Excel.  Or dig up
an Access Developer's Handbook.  Very good explanations with code samples.

The best tricj I ever learned was to use the macro recorder in Excel to
generate code to do what you want to do from Access, then just crib out the
code from Excel and paste into access.'

HTH

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Brad Marks
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 6:34 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Excel from Access (COM) - Need to read all rows in all
sheets

All,


I experimented with Access/Excel via COM a couple years ago.


I now have been given a large Excel file that has many sheets.  I need to
read each row in each sheet.


Does anyone have a example of how to do this?


Thanks,

Brad
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From kost36 at otenet.gr  Tue Apr 25 01:53:47 2017
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 09:53:47 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] open an old mdb file...
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met-P+GtLhUKaoY45j_w6zEwxdgW5Oh_5hBxcDZycfBdebA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <VI1PR06MB1165261AED6149DD81D1857DCA1F0@VI1PR06MB1165.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAH+Met-P+GtLhUKaoY45j_w6zEwxdgW5Oh_5hBxcDZycfBdebA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00b701d2bd90$b19ef290$14dcd7b0$@otenet.gr>

Hi Charlotte,
Just did it...
Sometimes storing old devices eg laptop with windows and MS Office 2000 turns out to be salvation...
Actually it took me more time to clean it than to do the job :-))

Thank's all
/kostas

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 4:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] open an old mdb file...

Actually, Access 2010 will open it.

Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 12:58 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Kostas
>
> You'll need Access 2003 or lower for this.
>
> Or you can use Visual Studio which happily will read and write to all 
> versions at least down to Access 2.0(!).
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af 
> Kostas Konstantinidis
> Sendt: 24. april 2017 09:55
> Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' < 
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Emne: [AccessD] open an old mdb file...
>
> Hi,
> I need to open an old mdb file designed with Access 97 or 2000 (can't
> remember) to get some important records...
> I tried any trick I knew
> Does anybody know any tool?
>
> I use MS Office 2016 and 2016
>
> Thanks
> /kostas
>
> --
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From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Apr 25 08:32:14 2017
From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 14:32:14 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] open an old mdb file...
In-Reply-To: <00b701d2bd90$b19ef290$14dcd7b0$@otenet.gr>
References: <VI1PR06MB1165261AED6149DD81D1857DCA1F0@VI1PR06MB1165.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>	<CAH+Met-P+GtLhUKaoY45j_w6zEwxdgW5Oh_5hBxcDZycfBdebA@mail.gmail.com>
	<00b701d2bd90$b19ef290$14dcd7b0$@otenet.gr>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAO8VDlNCBfdEkctCy61lm0HCgAAAEAAAAFCjtHykllxChw64+V5dU/0BAAAAAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>

And, although it's too late for this problem

Check Options - where MS defaults are usually set to prohibit opening of older versions filetypes 
Frequently just enabling the old type in the options will work - and get compatability mode used too as anti-malware protection 

Alternatives - the 'readers' - free from MS - meant to allow opening of more modern versions for those without MSOffice itself - but older versions of the readers usually process files from the previous version too!

JimB


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kostas Konstantinidis
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 7:54 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] open an old mdb file...

Hi Charlotte,
Just did it...
Sometimes storing old devices eg laptop with windows and MS Office 2000 turns out to be salvation...
Actually it took me more time to clean it than to do the job :-))

Thank's all
/kostas

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 4:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] open an old mdb file...

Actually, Access 2010 will open it.

Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 12:58 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Kostas
>
> You'll need Access 2003 or lower for this.
>
> Or you can use Visual Studio which happily will read and write to all 
> versions at least down to Access 2.0(!).
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af 
> Kostas Konstantinidis
> Sendt: 24. april 2017 09:55
> Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' < 
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Emne: [AccessD] open an old mdb file...
>
> Hi,
> I need to open an old mdb file designed with Access 97 or 2000 (can't
> remember) to get some important records...
> I tried any trick I knew
> Does anybody know any tool?
>
> I use MS Office 2016 and 2016
>
> Thanks
> /kostas
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Apr 25 12:55:58 2017
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 11:55:58 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Excel from Access (COM) - Need to read all rows in
 all sheets
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Cool trick.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "rockysmolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 8:02:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel from Access (COM) - Need to read all rows in all sheets

The easiest way to do it is to import it into an Access Table using
TransferSpreadsheet.  Then you can treat it just like any access table of
data.

Otherwise you can use automation.  Define some objects

Dim objXLApp As Object ' Excel.Application
Dim objXLBook As Object ' Excel.Workbook
Dim objXLWS As Object ' Excel.Worksheet

Then Set objXLApp = CreateObject("Excel.Application")
And objXLApp.Workbooks.Open & "MySpreadsheet.xls"

You can read the individual cells, switch sheets, cycle through the sheets -
I've used a lot of automation and anything you can do in Excel you can do to
a spreadsheet from Access using VBA.  

You can get started just by Googling Access Automation of Excel.  Or dig up
an Access Developer's Handbook.  Very good explanations with code samples.

The best tricj I ever learned was to use the macro recorder in Excel to
generate code to do what you want to do from Access, then just crib out the
code from Excel and paste into access.'

HTH

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Brad Marks
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 6:34 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Excel from Access (COM) - Need to read all rows in all
sheets

All,


I experimented with Access/Excel via COM a couple years ago.


I now have been given a large Excel file that has many sheets.  I need to
read each row in each sheet.


Does anyone have a example of how to do this?


Thanks,

Brad
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Apr 25 14:02:31 2017
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 13:02:31 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] LightSwitch
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References: <VI1PR06MB116581EF164F6CC3D2CB1156CA1F0@VI1PR06MB1165.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
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Hi Gustav:

I already have VisualStudio Code installed on one machines. It is definitely a nice editor.

All my Linux systems are Debian based so compatibility is a non-issue. The code version of VS, is just a webbed version of the editor, compiled under Electron (https://electron.atom.io/), an OSS application. The one big draw-back to compiling web apps under Electron, is that each app, under-the-hood is an almost complete version of the Chrome browser. I have found that unless you have a computer with at least 8GB of RAM (preferred 16GB) a system will do a lot of disk swapping. I like to have FF, Chrome and VS code running at the same time which is impossible on anything but my newest rig.  

I have not checked out TypeScript yet...the link you gave was a couple of years old (20 years in computer time. ;-)) You would strongly recommend getting up to speed in TypeScript?  

I am just getting a handle on AngularJS but I have been told by some millennium developers, that the framework is now passe. They are saying I should be learning React JS and Vue JS instead as they are more specific, dynamic, modular and faster. Have you heard anything about these two frameworks? (I don't what to spend too much time on any tech that might depreciate in a year or so.)

Jim
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>, "Development in Visual Studio" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 12:31:08 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] LightSwitch

Hi Jim

At the landing page of Visual Studio Code:

    https://code.visualstudio.com/

and here:

    https://code.visualstudio.com/#alt-downloads

you'll see downloads for Windows, MacOS, and Linux/Debian 32/64-bit

Visual Studio IDE (the new name for the full-featured VS) is in preview for Mac:

    https://www.visualstudio.com/vs/

Due to the vast count of Linux distributions I doubt VS will ever be available for Linux; it would be an overwhelming task to maintain the installation options of this extremely complex IDE including its hypervisors. It is already difficult enough with five Windows versions (7-10, 2012 R2/2016) plus Mac.

As for TypeScript, please note that it is not a framework for JavaScript, it is a superset of JavaScript generating pure JavaScript. 
Frameworks often are hard to manage which is why Angular 2 is built with TypeScript:

    https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/typescript/2015/03/05/angular-2-built-on-typescript/

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 24. april 2017 07:00
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [AccessD] LightSwitch

Hi Gustav:

I understood that Electron is a framework for creating native applications that can run on various platforms. Didn't Microsoft use Electron to compile Visual Studio Code so it could run on OSx, Free BSD and Linux?  

As long as TypeScript is going to always be fully open source and have no dependencies on specific platforms its future is assured. TypeScript sounds like a advanced JavaScript framework of which there are many excellent ones...

Here is a lecture given by Anders Hejlsberg on TypeScript that seems very interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g48K9LEhHWs

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>, "Development in Visual Studio" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 11:47:44 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] LightSwitch

Hi Jim (and Shamil)

Yes, it looks interesting. But I've never heard about it until now, so zero experience.

There is also Electron:

    https://electron.atom.io/

which you can program in TypeScript - the superset of JavaScript:

    http://www.typescriptlang.org/

If you have ever struggled with JavaScript (who hasn't), you will love the use of classes and strong typing that is adds to JavaScript while still producing pure JavaScript.

By the way, did you know that Visual Studio Code:

    https://code.visualstudio.com/

is programmed entirely in TypeScript? The combo of VSCode and TypeScript adds Intellisense to JavaScript. A must-have - and open source so free to use at zero cost.

Recently, I attended a lecture with Anders Hejlsberg (the creator of TypeScript). He is a gifted lecturer (don't ever miss to attend if you get the chance). You know - from childhood you remember the single teacher you loved because he/she always could catch your attention and interest and the bell rang before you expected it. Anders does just that.

He also told, that he got the idea for TypeScript after having seen at the team in charge of OWA (the web interface for Outlook 365) how they had built a major construction in C# to manage and generate the huge amount of JavaScript code that drives the client.

So - back to where I came form - it was at that lecture Anders mentioned Electron, because the question about JavaScript on the desktop once again was raised.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 20. april 2017 21:19
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [AccessD] LightSwitch

"DotVVM" looks like a very interesting product. Have you done any work it? 

There are so many applications out there, in the world of the internet, it is really difficult to decide which is the best horse to hitch to. Do you think the industry is heading towards more specialized wed applications or should the approach be more generic and possibly more stable (...given the example of LightSwitch)?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>, "Development in Visual Studio" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 12:18:05 AM
Subject: [AccessD] LightSwitch

Hi all

It appears that VS2015 was the last version of Visual Studio to include LightSwitch:

    https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/lightswitch/2016/10/14/lightswitch-update/

Though it will be supported like VS2015 until 2020, it may be the time to look for alternatives.
Microsoft recommends PowerApps but, as you may know, this at the current state is not a programming tool but a drag-n-drop type environment living in the cloud (Azure) only.

So, browsing the numerous comments in the above link, I've located some potential alternatives:

DotVVM:
    https://www.dotvvm.com

Serene:
   https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=VolkanCeylan.SereneSerenityApplicationTemplate

I've never heard of these before. Anyone having experience with these?

/gustav 

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From bradm at blackforestltd.com  Tue Apr 25 15:19:50 2017
From: bradm at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 20:19:50 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Excel from Access (COM) - Need to read all rows in
 all sheets
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Rocky,

Thanks for the help.

Brad



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 10:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel from Access (COM) - Need to read all rows in all sheets

The easiest way to do it is to import it into an Access Table using TransferSpreadsheet.  Then you can treat it just like any access table of data.

Otherwise you can use automation.  Define some objects

Dim objXLApp As Object ' Excel.Application Dim objXLBook As Object ' Excel.Workbook Dim objXLWS As Object ' Excel.Worksheet

Then Set objXLApp = CreateObject("Excel.Application") And objXLApp.Workbooks.Open & "MySpreadsheet.xls"

You can read the individual cells, switch sheets, cycle through the sheets - I've used a lot of automation and anything you can do in Excel you can do to a spreadsheet from Access using VBA.  

You can get started just by Googling Access Automation of Excel.  Or dig up an Access Developer's Handbook.  Very good explanations with code samples.

The best tricj I ever learned was to use the macro recorder in Excel to generate code to do what you want to do from Access, then just crib out the code from Excel and paste into access.'

HTH

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 6:34 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Excel from Access (COM) - Need to read all rows in all sheets

All,


I experimented with Access/Excel via COM a couple years ago.


I now have been given a large Excel file that has many sheets.  I need to read each row in each sheet.


Does anyone have a example of how to do this?


Thanks,

Brad
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Thu Apr 20 02:23:14 2017
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren - Active Billing)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 17:23:14 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] LightSwitch
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Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2017 05:25:05 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] LightSwitch
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Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2017 16:57:27 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] LightSwitch
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From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren - Active Billing)
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2017 14:41:55 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] LightSwitch
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Mon Apr 24 00:01:10 2017
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren - Active Billing)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2017 15:01:10 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] LightSwitch
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Mon Apr 24 03:01:42 2017
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren - Active Billing)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2017 18:01:42 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] open an old mdb file...
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Apr 25 16:17:22 2017
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 14:17:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Excel from Access (COM) - Need to read all rows in
 all sheets
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	<MWHPR05MB32468C21085E60D56B6A8E97CF1E0@MWHPR05MB3246.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
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I have lots of automation code scattered around that does different stuff -
but mostly formatting and pushing data out of Access and into Excel.  I also
have some code behind a spreadsheet which pushes data into Access.  That was
fun!

But since (IIUC) you want to get data OUT of a spreadsheet and INTO Access,
once you've got the Excel objects set you can read all the stuff by rows or
columns with two nested Do While loops.

But TransferSpreadsheet's still the easiest.  When a client  has this
requirement, and needs to do it on a regular basis, I first import the
spreadsheet into a new table in the database. That insures the columns are
all there. Then fix up the field names and the data types and it's ready for
use.  I call the Open File Dialog box to get the path and file name.

R


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
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Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 1:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel from Access (COM) - Need to read all rows in
all sheets

Rocky,

Thanks for the help.

Brad



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 10:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel from Access (COM) - Need to read all rows in
all sheets

The easiest way to do it is to import it into an Access Table using
TransferSpreadsheet.  Then you can treat it just like any access table of
data.

Otherwise you can use automation.  Define some objects

Dim objXLApp As Object ' Excel.Application Dim objXLBook As Object '
Excel.Workbook Dim objXLWS As Object ' Excel.Worksheet

Then Set objXLApp = CreateObject("Excel.Application") And
objXLApp.Workbooks.Open & "MySpreadsheet.xls"

You can read the individual cells, switch sheets, cycle through the sheets -
I've used a lot of automation and anything you can do in Excel you can do to
a spreadsheet from Access using VBA.  

You can get started just by Googling Access Automation of Excel.  Or dig up
an Access Developer's Handbook.  Very good explanations with code samples.

The best tricj I ever learned was to use the macro recorder in Excel to
generate code to do what you want to do from Access, then just crib out the
code from Excel and paste into access.'

HTH

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Brad Marks
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 6:34 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Excel from Access (COM) - Need to read all rows in all
sheets

All,


I experimented with Access/Excel via COM a couple years ago.


I now have been given a large Excel file that has many sheets.  I need to
read each row in each sheet.


Does anyone have a example of how to do this?


Thanks,

Brad
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From jerbach.db at gmail.com  Tue Apr 25 16:38:50 2017
From: jerbach.db at gmail.com (Janet Erbach)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 16:38:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
Message-ID: <CA+bdhCiWLxRaPvDi8-JQXr4WjS5O=S7kpF1FTR6dRnGmeOCtaA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello, all.

I deployed a 2007 app today that is supposed to be up and running all the
time.  It's relatively simple - one form bound to a temporary table that is
emptied and refilled every minute on the form timer event.

After about 30 minutes, the app throws a 3014 Error - cannot open any more
tables.

We are running jet 4.0, which is the most current, yes?  If this is truly a
jet related error, there are a couple of things I can do to help optimize
the app - about half the queries in the app are run from saved query defs,
and I can convert all those to sql statements.  I've decompiled and
reinstalled the access database engine, both suggestions that turned up in
a google search.  But beyond these troubleshooting steps, I don't know what
else to do.

Can you please give me some clues on what may be triggering this?  I
haven't seen this error before (that I can remember, anyway) and I have
another app deployed on the shop floor which runs 24/7 and refreshes every
minute without any issues.  Any help is greatly appreciated!

Janet Erbach

From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Apr 25 16:45:23 2017
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 17:45:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
In-Reply-To: <CA+bdhCiWLxRaPvDi8-JQXr4WjS5O=S7kpF1FTR6dRnGmeOCtaA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+bdhCiWLxRaPvDi8-JQXr4WjS5O=S7kpF1FTR6dRnGmeOCtaA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <58FFC373.2040802@Gmail.com>

It sounds like you are opening something over and over without ever 
closing the old.

On 4/25/2017 5:38 PM, Janet Erbach wrote:
> Hello, all.
>
> I deployed a 2007 app today that is supposed to be up and running all the
> time.  It's relatively simple - one form bound to a temporary table that is
> emptied and refilled every minute on the form timer event.
>
> After about 30 minutes, the app throws a 3014 Error - cannot open any more
> tables.
>
> We are running jet 4.0, which is the most current, yes?  If this is truly a
> jet related error, there are a couple of things I can do to help optimize
> the app - about half the queries in the app are run from saved query defs,
> and I can convert all those to sql statements.  I've decompiled and
> reinstalled the access database engine, both suggestions that turned up in
> a google search.  But beyond these troubleshooting steps, I don't know what
> else to do.
>
> Can you please give me some clues on what may be triggering this?  I
> haven't seen this error before (that I can remember, anyway) and I have
> another app deployed on the shop floor which runs 24/7 and refreshes every
> minute without any issues.  Any help is greatly appreciated!
>
> Janet Erbach

-- 
John W. Colby


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Apr 25 17:55:01 2017
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 15:55:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
In-Reply-To: <CA+bdhCiWLxRaPvDi8-JQXr4WjS5O=S7kpF1FTR6dRnGmeOCtaA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+bdhCiWLxRaPvDi8-JQXr4WjS5O=S7kpF1FTR6dRnGmeOCtaA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <018f01d2be16$f8dee1c0$ea9ca540$@bchacc.com>

Is there a registry key that can be increased like the MaxLocksPerFile hack:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/815281/-file-sharing-lock-count-exc
eeded-error-message-during-large-transaction-processing

http://tinyurl.com/l77zk7f

to allow more tables?  Although John's probably right - you probably don't
need that many tables open. 

Can you trap that error and run a few lines of code which would list all the
open tables? Maybe you could spot the culprit?

R

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Janet Erbach
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 2:39 PM
To: Database Advisors
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables

Hello, all.

I deployed a 2007 app today that is supposed to be up and running all the
time.  It's relatively simple - one form bound to a temporary table that is
emptied and refilled every minute on the form timer event.

After about 30 minutes, the app throws a 3014 Error - cannot open any more
tables.

We are running jet 4.0, which is the most current, yes?  If this is truly a
jet related error, there are a couple of things I can do to help optimize
the app - about half the queries in the app are run from saved query defs,
and I can convert all those to sql statements.  I've decompiled and
reinstalled the access database engine, both suggestions that turned up in a
google search.  But beyond these troubleshooting steps, I don't know what
else to do.

Can you please give me some clues on what may be triggering this?  I haven't
seen this error before (that I can remember, anyway) and I have another app
deployed on the shop floor which runs 24/7 and refreshes every minute
without any issues.  Any help is greatly appreciated!

Janet Erbach
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Apr 25 20:26:53 2017
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 18:26:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] query problem
Message-ID: <01cb01d2be2c$30030b30$90092190$@bchacc.com>

Dear List:

 

My client's company markets courses to CPAs for continuing education.  The
courses can be sponsored either by an Accounting Firm or a state Accounting
Society. 

 

I have a SQL statement which is the record source for a form - rather
complex because there's a whole form full of filters which the user can
select - and those WHEREs become added on to the basic record source of the
form.  That has been working well. It produces a list of people in
accounting firms who have been participants in one or more of these  courses
for CPAs based on the filtering criteria selected by the user. 

 

Now comes another request from the client to exclude from this list anyone
who has participated in a course sponsored by a  Society (as opposed to an
Accounting Firm) because he doesn't want to market to the Accounting Firms
and undercut the Societies that have already gotten a participant from the
Accounting Firm

 

So I have devised a query that yields a list of Accounting Firms that have
sent participants to a Society sponsored course. But I can't figure out how
to get this list to suppress any participant who belongs to an Accounting
Firm in this query.

 

Normally I would use the temp table approach and reconstruct the table after
every request to change the filters.  But I'm pretty far down this road of
altering the record source of the form by incorporating into the SQL the
various WHEREs representing the filters.  And it's fast that way as opposed
to deleting and filling a temp table with records that pass all the tests.

 

There's an Unmatched Query Wizard which I'm thinking of trying. But is there
an easy solution to this?

 

MTIA

 

Rocky

 

 


From df.waters at outlook.com  Tue Apr 25 20:48:26 2017
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 01:48:26 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
In-Reply-To: <018f01d2be16$f8dee1c0$ea9ca540$@bchacc.com>
References: <CA+bdhCiWLxRaPvDi8-JQXr4WjS5O=S7kpF1FTR6dRnGmeOCtaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<018f01d2be16$f8dee1c0$ea9ca540$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <CO1PR19MB080798527748932A75D5CC53F6110@CO1PR19MB0807.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Janet,

Just as a test you could try setting a static database variable when you open this application.

Static dbs As DAO.Database
Dim stgBEFullPath as String

stgBEFullPath = ["FullPathToDataMDB"]
Set dbs = DBEngine(0).OpenDatabase(stgBEFullPath)

Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: April 25, 2017 17:55
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables

Is there a registry key that can be increased like the MaxLocksPerFile hack:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/815281/-file-sharing-lock-count-exc
eeded-error-message-during-large-transaction-processing

http://tinyurl.com/l77zk7f

to allow more tables?  Although John's probably right - you probably don't need that many tables open. 

Can you trap that error and run a few lines of code which would list all the open tables? Maybe you could spot the culprit?

R

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Janet Erbach
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 2:39 PM
To: Database Advisors
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables

Hello, all.

I deployed a 2007 app today that is supposed to be up and running all the time.  It's relatively simple - one form bound to a temporary table that is emptied and refilled every minute on the form timer event.

After about 30 minutes, the app throws a 3014 Error - cannot open any more tables.

We are running jet 4.0, which is the most current, yes?  If this is truly a jet related error, there are a couple of things I can do to help optimize the app - about half the queries in the app are run from saved query defs, and I can convert all those to sql statements.  I've decompiled and reinstalled the access database engine, both suggestions that turned up in a google search.  But beyond these troubleshooting steps, I don't know what else to do.

Can you please give me some clues on what may be triggering this?  I haven't seen this error before (that I can remember, anyway) and I have another app deployed on the shop floor which runs 24/7 and refreshes every minute without any issues.  Any help is greatly appreciated!

Janet Erbach
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Apr 26 01:03:38 2017
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 06:03:38 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] LightSwitch
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB11656D1BE55752BF9C9AE721CA110@VI1PR06MB1165.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Jm

Thanks for the RAM info. I tried open VSCode, but on Windows it eats just 200 MB, so that seems quite different to me.

Everything speaks for TypeScript, if you ask me. Classes, strong typing, and IntelliSense at nearly the same level as in Visual Studio says it all.

As for frameworks, you'll get as many answers as people you ask because none fits everything and you tend to use what already feel comfortable with.
However, exactly Angular and React are very different animals, so you cannot claim one to be better or more preferable than the other. One opinion at SitePoint which I noticed from a link on CodeProject yesterday can be found here:

    Choosing between React and Angular: An in-Depth Comparison
    https://www.codeproject.com/News.aspx?ntag=19837497599856371&_z=3276586

Neither of these will be depreciated in the near future.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 25. april 2017 21:03
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [AccessD] LightSwitch

Hi Gustav:

I already have VisualStudio Code installed on one machines. It is definitely a nice editor.

All my Linux systems are Debian based so compatibility is a non-issue. The code version of VS, is just a webbed version of the editor, compiled under Electron (https://electron.atom.io/), an OSS application. The one big draw-back to compiling web apps under Electron, is that each app, under-the-hood is an almost complete version of the Chrome browser. I have found that unless you have a computer with at least 8GB of RAM (preferred 16GB) a system will do a lot of disk swapping. I like to have FF, Chrome and VS code running at the same time which is impossible on anything but my newest rig.  

I have not checked out TypeScript yet...the link you gave was a couple of years old (20 years in computer time. ;-)) You would strongly recommend getting up to speed in TypeScript?  

I am just getting a handle on AngularJS but I have been told by some millennium developers, that the framework is now passe. They are saying I should be learning React JS and Vue JS instead as they are more specific, dynamic, modular and faster. Have you heard anything about these two frameworks? (I don't what to spend too much time on any tech that might depreciate in a year or so.)

Jim
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>, "Development in Visual Studio" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 12:31:08 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] LightSwitch

Hi Jim

At the landing page of Visual Studio Code:

    https://code.visualstudio.com/

and here:

    https://code.visualstudio.com/#alt-downloads

you'll see downloads for Windows, MacOS, and Linux/Debian 32/64-bit

Visual Studio IDE (the new name for the full-featured VS) is in preview for Mac:

    https://www.visualstudio.com/vs/

Due to the vast count of Linux distributions I doubt VS will ever be available for Linux; it would be an overwhelming task to maintain the installation options of this extremely complex IDE including its hypervisors. It is already difficult enough with five Windows versions (7-10, 2012 R2/2016) plus Mac.

As for TypeScript, please note that it is not a framework for JavaScript, it is a superset of JavaScript generating pure JavaScript. 
Frameworks often are hard to manage which is why Angular 2 is built with TypeScript:

    https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/typescript/2015/03/05/angular-2-built-on-typescript/

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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Sendt: 24. april 2017 07:00
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [AccessD] LightSwitch

Hi Gustav:

I understood that Electron is a framework for creating native applications that can run on various platforms. Didn't Microsoft use Electron to compile Visual Studio Code so it could run on OSx, Free BSD and Linux?  

As long as TypeScript is going to always be fully open source and have no dependencies on specific platforms its future is assured. TypeScript sounds like a advanced JavaScript framework of which there are many excellent ones...

Here is a lecture given by Anders Hejlsberg on TypeScript that seems very interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g48K9LEhHWs

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>, "Development in Visual Studio" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 11:47:44 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] LightSwitch

Hi Jim (and Shamil)

Yes, it looks interesting. But I've never heard about it until now, so zero experience.

There is also Electron:

    https://electron.atom.io/

which you can program in TypeScript - the superset of JavaScript:

    http://www.typescriptlang.org/

If you have ever struggled with JavaScript (who hasn't), you will love the use of classes and strong typing that is adds to JavaScript while still producing pure JavaScript.

By the way, did you know that Visual Studio Code:

    https://code.visualstudio.com/

is programmed entirely in TypeScript? The combo of VSCode and TypeScript adds Intellisense to JavaScript. A must-have - and open source so free to use at zero cost.

Recently, I attended a lecture with Anders Hejlsberg (the creator of TypeScript). He is a gifted lecturer (don't ever miss to attend if you get the chance). You know - from childhood you remember the single teacher you loved because he/she always could catch your attention and interest and the bell rang before you expected it. Anders does just that.

He also told, that he got the idea for TypeScript after having seen at the team in charge of OWA (the web interface for Outlook 365) how they had built a major construction in C# to manage and generate the huge amount of JavaScript code that drives the client.

So - back to where I came form - it was at that lecture Anders mentioned Electron, because the question about JavaScript on the desktop once again was raised.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 20. april 2017 21:19
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [AccessD] LightSwitch

"DotVVM" looks like a very interesting product. Have you done any work it? 

There are so many applications out there, in the world of the internet, it is really difficult to decide which is the best horse to hitch to. Do you think the industry is heading towards more specialized wed applications or should the approach be more generic and possibly more stable (...given the example of LightSwitch)?

Jim

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From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>, "Development in Visual Studio" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 12:18:05 AM
Subject: [AccessD] LightSwitch

Hi all

It appears that VS2015 was the last version of Visual Studio to include LightSwitch:

    https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/lightswitch/2016/10/14/lightswitch-update/

Though it will be supported like VS2015 until 2020, it may be the time to look for alternatives.
Microsoft recommends PowerApps but, as you may know, this at the current state is not a programming tool but a drag-n-drop type environment living in the cloud (Azure) only.

So, browsing the numerous comments in the above link, I've located some potential alternatives:

DotVVM:
    https://www.dotvvm.com

Serene:
   https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=VolkanCeylan.SereneSerenityApplicationTemplate

I've never heard of these before. Anyone having experience with these?

/gustav 


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Apr 26 05:31:26 2017
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 06:31:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
In-Reply-To: <018f01d2be16$f8dee1c0$ea9ca540$@bchacc.com>
References: <CA+bdhCiWLxRaPvDi8-JQXr4WjS5O=S7kpF1FTR6dRnGmeOCtaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<018f01d2be16$f8dee1c0$ea9ca540$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <E99D183CD4324AFB9EE656E44E6277DB@XPS>



 Locks yes, but tables no.   Access has internal limits on that which cannot
be modified.  Won't hurt to try more locks though.

  I'm with John on this; sounds like something is not getting closed.
Anything opened in code should be explicitly being closed and object
variables set to nothing.  I'd also look for any procedure that makes a
recursive call.   It may be that the process is simply too much.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 06:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables

Is there a registry key that can be increased like the MaxLocksPerFile hack:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/815281/-file-sharing-lock-count-exc
eeded-error-message-during-large-transaction-processing

http://tinyurl.com/l77zk7f

to allow more tables?  Although John's probably right - you probably don't
need that many tables open. 

Can you trap that error and run a few lines of code which would list all the
open tables? Maybe you could spot the culprit?

R

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Janet Erbach
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 2:39 PM
To: Database Advisors
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables

Hello, all.

I deployed a 2007 app today that is supposed to be up and running all the
time.  It's relatively simple - one form bound to a temporary table that is
emptied and refilled every minute on the form timer event.

After about 30 minutes, the app throws a 3014 Error - cannot open any more
tables.

We are running jet 4.0, which is the most current, yes?  If this is truly a
jet related error, there are a couple of things I can do to help optimize
the app - about half the queries in the app are run from saved query defs,
and I can convert all those to sql statements.  I've decompiled and
reinstalled the access database engine, both suggestions that turned up in a
google search.  But beyond these troubleshooting steps, I don't know what
else to do.

Can you please give me some clues on what may be triggering this?  I haven't
seen this error before (that I can remember, anyway) and I have another app
deployed on the shop floor which runs 24/7 and refreshes every minute
without any issues.  Any help is greatly appreciated!

Janet Erbach
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From rbgajewski at roadrunner.com  Wed Apr 26 06:51:40 2017
From: rbgajewski at roadrunner.com (Bob Gajewski)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 07:51:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] query problem
In-Reply-To: <01cb01d2be2c$30030b30$90092190$@bchacc.com>
References: <01cb01d2be2c$30030b30$90092190$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <001d01d2be83$781019c0$68304d40$@roadrunner.com>

It sounds like you need to include an "and not exists" against a subquery of
all students that have participated in a Society course. You can use that
<or> a left exclusionary join

SELECT <select_list>
FROM TableA A
LEFT JOIN TableB B
ON A.Key = B.Key
WHERE B.Key is NULL
                                  

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 21:27 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] query problem

Dear List:

 

My client's company markets courses to CPAs for continuing education.  The
courses can be sponsored either by an Accounting Firm or a state Accounting
Society. 

 

I have a SQL statement which is the record source for a form - rather
complex because there's a whole form full of filters which the user can
select - and those WHEREs become added on to the basic record source of the
form.  That has been working well. It produces a list of people in
accounting firms who have been participants in one or more of these  courses
for CPAs based on the filtering criteria selected by the user. 

 

Now comes another request from the client to exclude from this list anyone
who has participated in a course sponsored by a  Society (as opposed to an
Accounting Firm) because he doesn't want to market to the Accounting Firms
and undercut the Societies that have already gotten a participant from the
Accounting Firm

 

So I have devised a query that yields a list of Accounting Firms that have
sent participants to a Society sponsored course. But I can't figure out how
to get this list to suppress any participant who belongs to an Accounting
Firm in this query.

 

Normally I would use the temp table approach and reconstruct the table after
every request to change the filters.  But I'm pretty far down this road of
altering the record source of the form by incorporating into the SQL the
various WHEREs representing the filters.  And it's fast that way as opposed
to deleting and filling a temp table with records that pass all the tests.

 

There's an Unmatched Query Wizard which I'm thinking of trying. But is there
an easy solution to this?

 

MTIA

 

Rocky

 

 

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From jerbach.db at gmail.com  Wed Apr 26 09:24:16 2017
From: jerbach.db at gmail.com (Janet Erbach)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 09:24:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
In-Reply-To: <E99D183CD4324AFB9EE656E44E6277DB@XPS>
References: <CA+bdhCiWLxRaPvDi8-JQXr4WjS5O=S7kpF1FTR6dRnGmeOCtaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<018f01d2be16$f8dee1c0$ea9ca540$@bchacc.com>
	<E99D183CD4324AFB9EE656E44E6277DB@XPS>
Message-ID: <CA+bdhCj5GL4aDPGGtOh6rf4n3JO7QqpeiF3nf-Bv_pxqy2G7+g@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you, all of you, for your prompt replies!  I'm usually very good
about closing recordsets, but I will look very closely for something I
missed.  And Rocky, I like your idea of running some code to tell me what's
open.  And Dan, the static variable is a good idea too.  I will get back to
you all and let you know what I find!

Janet

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 5:31 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>
>  Locks yes, but tables no.   Access has internal limits on that which
> cannot
> be modified.  Won't hurt to try more locks though.
>
>   I'm with John on this; sounds like something is not getting closed.
> Anything opened in code should be explicitly being closed and object
> variables set to nothing.  I'd also look for any procedure that makes a
> recursive call.   It may be that the process is simply too much.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 06:55 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
>
> Is there a registry key that can be increased like the MaxLocksPerFile
> hack:
>
> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/815281/-file-
> sharing-lock-count-exc
> eeded-error-message-during-large-transaction-processing
>
> http://tinyurl.com/l77zk7f
>
> to allow more tables?  Although John's probably right - you probably don't
> need that many tables open.
>
> Can you trap that error and run a few lines of code which would list all
> the
> open tables? Maybe you could spot the culprit?
>
> R
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Janet Erbach
> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 2:39 PM
> To: Database Advisors
> Subject: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
>
> Hello, all.
>
> I deployed a 2007 app today that is supposed to be up and running all the
> time.  It's relatively simple - one form bound to a temporary table that is
> emptied and refilled every minute on the form timer event.
>
> After about 30 minutes, the app throws a 3014 Error - cannot open any more
> tables.
>
> We are running jet 4.0, which is the most current, yes?  If this is truly a
> jet related error, there are a couple of things I can do to help optimize
> the app - about half the queries in the app are run from saved query defs,
> and I can convert all those to sql statements.  I've decompiled and
> reinstalled the access database engine, both suggestions that turned up in
> a
> google search.  But beyond these troubleshooting steps, I don't know what
> else to do.
>
> Can you please give me some clues on what may be triggering this?  I
> haven't
> seen this error before (that I can remember, anyway) and I have another app
> deployed on the shop floor which runs 24/7 and refreshes every minute
> without any issues.  Any help is greatly appreciated!
>
> Janet Erbach
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Wed Apr 26 10:17:42 2017
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 10:17:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] query problem
In-Reply-To: <01cb01d2be2c$30030b30$90092190$@bchacc.com>
References: <01cb01d2be2c$30030b30$90092190$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_p+74_3-xpgpCkEdv+gu=gTwkc3KOtdvZz7V2tYNpA0W6g@mail.gmail.com>

As Bob already replied, I think you just need an outer join and test
the key on the table or query that has the rows you DON'T want for
null on the key.  If it's null that means there ISN'T a matching row
in that table so you DO want that row in your results.  If it's not
null there is a match and you do not want it in your result set.

On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 8:26 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
> Dear List:
>
>
>
> My client's company markets courses to CPAs for continuing education.  The
> courses can be sponsored either by an Accounting Firm or a state Accounting
> Society.
>
>
>
> I have a SQL statement which is the record source for a form - rather
> complex because there's a whole form full of filters which the user can
> select - and those WHEREs become added on to the basic record source of the
> form.  That has been working well. It produces a list of people in
> accounting firms who have been participants in one or more of these  courses
> for CPAs based on the filtering criteria selected by the user.
>
>
>
> Now comes another request from the client to exclude from this list anyone
> who has participated in a course sponsored by a  Society (as opposed to an
> Accounting Firm) because he doesn't want to market to the Accounting Firms
> and undercut the Societies that have already gotten a participant from the
> Accounting Firm
>
>
>
> So I have devised a query that yields a list of Accounting Firms that have
> sent participants to a Society sponsored course. But I can't figure out how
> to get this list to suppress any participant who belongs to an Accounting
> Firm in this query.
>
>
>
> Normally I would use the temp table approach and reconstruct the table after
> every request to change the filters.  But I'm pretty far down this road of
> altering the record source of the form by incorporating into the SQL the
> various WHEREs representing the filters.  And it's fast that way as opposed
> to deleting and filling a temp table with records that pass all the tests.
>
>
>
> There's an Unmatched Query Wizard which I'm thinking of trying. But is there
> an easy solution to this?
>
>
>
> MTIA
>
>
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Apr 26 10:44:25 2017
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 08:44:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] query problem
In-Reply-To: <001d01d2be83$781019c0$68304d40$@roadrunner.com>
References: <01cb01d2be2c$30030b30$90092190$@bchacc.com>
	<001d01d2be83$781019c0$68304d40$@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <025e01d2bea3$fb904b10$f2b0e130$@bchacc.com>

I think you're right.  I'll try that.

r

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Gajewski
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 4:52 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] query problem

It sounds like you need to include an "and not exists" against a subquery of
all students that have participated in a Society course. You can use that
<or> a left exclusionary join

SELECT <select_list>
FROM TableA A
LEFT JOIN TableB B
ON A.Key = B.Key
WHERE B.Key is NULL
                                  

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 21:27 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] query problem

Dear List:

 

My client's company markets courses to CPAs for continuing education.  The
courses can be sponsored either by an Accounting Firm or a state Accounting
Society. 

 

I have a SQL statement which is the record source for a form - rather
complex because there's a whole form full of filters which the user can
select - and those WHEREs become added on to the basic record source of the
form.  That has been working well. It produces a list of people in
accounting firms who have been participants in one or more of these  courses
for CPAs based on the filtering criteria selected by the user. 

 

Now comes another request from the client to exclude from this list anyone
who has participated in a course sponsored by a  Society (as opposed to an
Accounting Firm) because he doesn't want to market to the Accounting Firms
and undercut the Societies that have already gotten a participant from the
Accounting Firm

 

So I have devised a query that yields a list of Accounting Firms that have
sent participants to a Society sponsored course. But I can't figure out how
to get this list to suppress any participant who belongs to an Accounting
Firm in this query.

 

Normally I would use the temp table approach and reconstruct the table after
every request to change the filters.  But I'm pretty far down this road of
altering the record source of the form by incorporating into the SQL the
various WHEREs representing the filters.  And it's fast that way as opposed
to deleting and filling a temp table with records that pass all the tests.

 

There's an Unmatched Query Wizard which I'm thinking of trying. But is there
an easy solution to this?

 

MTIA

 

Rocky

 

 

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Apr 26 10:44:54 2017
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 08:44:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] query problem
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_p+74_3-xpgpCkEdv+gu=gTwkc3KOtdvZz7V2tYNpA0W6g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <01cb01d2be2c$30030b30$90092190$@bchacc.com>
	<CAJ2R_p+74_3-xpgpCkEdv+gu=gTwkc3KOtdvZz7V2tYNpA0W6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <025f01d2bea4$0cbecab0$263c6010$@bchacc.com>

Yes, I think that will work.  But it's making my brain hurt. :)

R


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Gary Kjos
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 8:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] query problem

As Bob already replied, I think you just need an outer join and test the key
on the table or query that has the rows you DON'T want for null on the key.
If it's null that means there ISN'T a matching row in that table so you DO
want that row in your results.  If it's not null there is a match and you do
not want it in your result set.

On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 8:26 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
> Dear List:
>
>
>
> My client's company markets courses to CPAs for continuing education.  
> The courses can be sponsored either by an Accounting Firm or a state 
> Accounting Society.
>
>
>
> I have a SQL statement which is the record source for a form - rather 
> complex because there's a whole form full of filters which the user 
> can select - and those WHEREs become added on to the basic record 
> source of the form.  That has been working well. It produces a list of 
> people in accounting firms who have been participants in one or more 
> of these  courses for CPAs based on the filtering criteria selected by the
user.
>
>
>
> Now comes another request from the client to exclude from this list 
> anyone who has participated in a course sponsored by a  Society (as 
> opposed to an Accounting Firm) because he doesn't want to market to 
> the Accounting Firms and undercut the Societies that have already 
> gotten a participant from the Accounting Firm
>
>
>
> So I have devised a query that yields a list of Accounting Firms that 
> have sent participants to a Society sponsored course. But I can't 
> figure out how to get this list to suppress any participant who 
> belongs to an Accounting Firm in this query.
>
>
>
> Normally I would use the temp table approach and reconstruct the table 
> after every request to change the filters.  But I'm pretty far down 
> this road of altering the record source of the form by incorporating 
> into the SQL the various WHEREs representing the filters.  And it's 
> fast that way as opposed to deleting and filling a temp table with records
that pass all the tests.
>
>
>
> There's an Unmatched Query Wizard which I'm thinking of trying. But is 
> there an easy solution to this?
>
>
>
> MTIA
>
>
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Apr 26 15:24:01 2017
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 16:24:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
In-Reply-To: <018f01d2be16$f8dee1c0$ea9ca540$@bchacc.com>
References: <CA+bdhCiWLxRaPvDi8-JQXr4WjS5O=S7kpF1FTR6dRnGmeOCtaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<018f01d2be16$f8dee1c0$ea9ca540$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <590101E1.4020909@Gmail.com>

It turns out that any form and any object like a list or combo on the 
form also opens a recordset.  Thus this exact problem can be caused by 
overly complex forms.  However she expressly says it is a single 
"simple" form so that is probably not the issue.  File sharing locks 
have nothing to do with the recordsets in a FE however.  Those locks 
control access to the BE.

On 4/25/2017 6:55 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> Is there a registry key that can be increased like the MaxLocksPerFile hack:
>
> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/815281/-file-sharing-lock-count-exc
> eeded-error-message-during-large-transaction-processing
>
> http://tinyurl.com/l77zk7f
>
> to allow more tables?  Although John's probably right - you probably don't
> need that many tables open.
>
> Can you trap that error and run a few lines of code which would list all the
> open tables? Maybe you could spot the culprit?
>
> R
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Janet Erbach
> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 2:39 PM
> To: Database Advisors
> Subject: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
>
> Hello, all.
>
> I deployed a 2007 app today that is supposed to be up and running all the
> time.  It's relatively simple - one form bound to a temporary table that is
> emptied and refilled every minute on the form timer event.
>
> After about 30 minutes, the app throws a 3014 Error - cannot open any more
> tables.
>
> We are running jet 4.0, which is the most current, yes?  If this is truly a
> jet related error, there are a couple of things I can do to help optimize
> the app - about half the queries in the app are run from saved query defs,
> and I can convert all those to sql statements.  I've decompiled and
> reinstalled the access database engine, both suggestions that turned up in a
> google search.  But beyond these troubleshooting steps, I don't know what
> else to do.
>
> Can you please give me some clues on what may be triggering this?  I haven't
> seen this error before (that I can remember, anyway) and I have another app
> deployed on the shop floor which runs 24/7 and refreshes every minute
> without any issues.  Any help is greatly appreciated!
>
> Janet Erbach
> --
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

-- 
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From jerbach.db at gmail.com  Wed Apr 26 16:12:29 2017
From: jerbach.db at gmail.com (Janet Erbach)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 16:12:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
In-Reply-To: <590101E1.4020909@Gmail.com>
References: <CA+bdhCiWLxRaPvDi8-JQXr4WjS5O=S7kpF1FTR6dRnGmeOCtaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<018f01d2be16$f8dee1c0$ea9ca540$@bchacc.com>
	<590101E1.4020909@Gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+bdhCiFJpkdYduOkKRWJGApGOvWVqyFTOgjLvxo79+MGLtk=Q@mail.gmail.com>

I cleaned up some open recordsets in the code - I was *not* as clean in my
code as I thought I was.  This alone did not correct the issue, though - 30
minutes after launch it hit the 3014 error again.

BUT:  I then ran the front end through  Dan Waters' Decorrupter tool, and
it ran for over 3 hours without a hitch.  I closed it so that I could
upload it to the network and deploy it;  she's running again and  I will
let 'er run overnight.  We'll see if she's still going come morning.

Janet

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 3:24 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> It turns out that any form and any object like a list or combo on the form
> also opens a recordset.  Thus this exact problem can be caused by overly
> complex forms.  However she expressly says it is a single "simple" form so
> that is probably not the issue.  File sharing locks have nothing to do with
> the recordsets in a FE however.  Those locks control access to the BE.
>
>
> On 4/25/2017 6:55 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>
>> Is there a registry key that can be increased like the MaxLocksPerFile
>> hack:
>>
>> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/815281/-file-sharin
>> g-lock-count-exc
>> eeded-error-message-during-large-transaction-processing
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/l77zk7f
>>
>> to allow more tables?  Although John's probably right - you probably don't
>> need that many tables open.
>>
>> Can you trap that error and run a few lines of code which would list all
>> the
>> open tables? Maybe you could spot the culprit?
>>
>> R
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> Janet Erbach
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 2:39 PM
>> To: Database Advisors
>> Subject: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
>>
>> Hello, all.
>>
>> I deployed a 2007 app today that is supposed to be up and running all the
>> time.  It's relatively simple - one form bound to a temporary table that
>> is
>> emptied and refilled every minute on the form timer event.
>>
>> After about 30 minutes, the app throws a 3014 Error - cannot open any more
>> tables.
>>
>> We are running jet 4.0, which is the most current, yes?  If this is truly
>> a
>> jet related error, there are a couple of things I can do to help optimize
>> the app - about half the queries in the app are run from saved query defs,
>> and I can convert all those to sql statements.  I've decompiled and
>> reinstalled the access database engine, both suggestions that turned up
>> in a
>> google search.  But beyond these troubleshooting steps, I don't know what
>> else to do.
>>
>> Can you please give me some clues on what may be triggering this?  I
>> haven't
>> seen this error before (that I can remember, anyway) and I have another
>> app
>> deployed on the shop floor which runs 24/7 and refreshes every minute
>> without any issues.  Any help is greatly appreciated!
>>
>> Janet Erbach
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
> --
> John W. Colby
>
>
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>

From df.waters at outlook.com  Wed Apr 26 16:18:47 2017
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 21:18:47 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
In-Reply-To: <CA+bdhCiFJpkdYduOkKRWJGApGOvWVqyFTOgjLvxo79+MGLtk=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+bdhCiWLxRaPvDi8-JQXr4WjS5O=S7kpF1FTR6dRnGmeOCtaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<018f01d2be16$f8dee1c0$ea9ca540$@bchacc.com>	<590101E1.4020909@Gmail.com>
	<CA+bdhCiFJpkdYduOkKRWJGApGOvWVqyFTOgjLvxo79+MGLtk=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BL2PR19MB080142204E52D0A8FF778B17F6110@BL2PR19MB0801.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

The DeCorrupter tool?  

Oooooohhh - now I remember.  Great!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Janet Erbach
Sent: April 26, 2017 16:12
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables

I cleaned up some open recordsets in the code - I was *not* as clean in my code as I thought I was.  This alone did not correct the issue, though - 30 minutes after launch it hit the 3014 error again.

BUT:  I then ran the front end through  Dan Waters' Decorrupter tool, and it ran for over 3 hours without a hitch.  I closed it so that I could upload it to the network and deploy it;  she's running again and  I will let 'er run overnight.  We'll see if she's still going come morning.

Janet

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 3:24 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> It turns out that any form and any object like a list or combo on the 
> form also opens a recordset.  Thus this exact problem can be caused by 
> overly complex forms.  However she expressly says it is a single 
> "simple" form so that is probably not the issue.  File sharing locks 
> have nothing to do with the recordsets in a FE however.  Those locks control access to the BE.
>
>
> On 4/25/2017 6:55 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>
>> Is there a registry key that can be increased like the 
>> MaxLocksPerFile
>> hack:
>>
>> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/815281/-file-sharin
>> g-lock-count-exc
>> eeded-error-message-during-large-transaction-processing
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/l77zk7f
>>
>> to allow more tables?  Although John's probably right - you probably 
>> don't need that many tables open.
>>
>> Can you trap that error and run a few lines of code which would list 
>> all the open tables? Maybe you could spot the culprit?
>>
>> R
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Janet Erbach
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 2:39 PM
>> To: Database Advisors
>> Subject: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
>>
>> Hello, all.
>>
>> I deployed a 2007 app today that is supposed to be up and running all 
>> the time.  It's relatively simple - one form bound to a temporary 
>> table that is emptied and refilled every minute on the form timer 
>> event.
>>
>> After about 30 minutes, the app throws a 3014 Error - cannot open any 
>> more tables.
>>
>> We are running jet 4.0, which is the most current, yes?  If this is 
>> truly a jet related error, there are a couple of things I can do to 
>> help optimize the app - about half the queries in the app are run 
>> from saved query defs, and I can convert all those to sql statements.  
>> I've decompiled and reinstalled the access database engine, both 
>> suggestions that turned up in a google search.  But beyond these 
>> troubleshooting steps, I don't know what else to do.
>>
>> Can you please give me some clues on what may be triggering this?  I 
>> haven't seen this error before (that I can remember, anyway) and I 
>> have another app deployed on the shop floor which runs 24/7 and 
>> refreshes every minute without any issues.  Any help is greatly 
>> appreciated!
>>
>> Janet Erbach
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
> --
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>
>
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From jerbach.db at gmail.com  Wed Apr 26 16:25:49 2017
From: jerbach.db at gmail.com (Janet Erbach)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 16:25:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
In-Reply-To: <BL2PR19MB080142204E52D0A8FF778B17F6110@BL2PR19MB0801.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CA+bdhCiWLxRaPvDi8-JQXr4WjS5O=S7kpF1FTR6dRnGmeOCtaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<018f01d2be16$f8dee1c0$ea9ca540$@bchacc.com>
	<590101E1.4020909@Gmail.com>
	<CA+bdhCiFJpkdYduOkKRWJGApGOvWVqyFTOgjLvxo79+MGLtk=Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<BL2PR19MB080142204E52D0A8FF778B17F6110@BL2PR19MB0801.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CA+bdhCj3AgDZsLdJVt32mgWXUeqbQ7HqazaV7aj9o5ma3vhSjw@mail.gmail.com>

You BET it's great!  I've used your tool countless times in the last 3
years and it's bailed me out of some serious issues 90% of the time!  :)
 Thank you very much for making that available.

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Dan Waters <df.waters at outlook.com> wrote:

> The DeCorrupter tool?
>
> Oooooohhh - now I remember.  Great!
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Janet Erbach
> Sent: April 26, 2017 16:12
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
>
> I cleaned up some open recordsets in the code - I was *not* as clean in my
> code as I thought I was.  This alone did not correct the issue, though - 30
> minutes after launch it hit the 3014 error again.
>
> BUT:  I then ran the front end through  Dan Waters' Decorrupter tool, and
> it ran for over 3 hours without a hitch.  I closed it so that I could
> upload it to the network and deploy it;  she's running again and  I will
> let 'er run overnight.  We'll see if she's still going come morning.
>
> Janet
>
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 3:24 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > It turns out that any form and any object like a list or combo on the
> > form also opens a recordset.  Thus this exact problem can be caused by
> > overly complex forms.  However she expressly says it is a single
> > "simple" form so that is probably not the issue.  File sharing locks
> > have nothing to do with the recordsets in a FE however.  Those locks
> control access to the BE.
> >
> >
> > On 4/25/2017 6:55 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> >
> >> Is there a registry key that can be increased like the
> >> MaxLocksPerFile
> >> hack:
> >>
> >> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/815281/-file-sharin
> >> g-lock-count-exc
> >> eeded-error-message-during-large-transaction-processing
> >>
> >> http://tinyurl.com/l77zk7f
> >>
> >> to allow more tables?  Although John's probably right - you probably
> >> don't need that many tables open.
> >>
> >> Can you trap that error and run a few lines of code which would list
> >> all the open tables? Maybe you could spot the culprit?
> >>
> >> R
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> >> Of Janet Erbach
> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 2:39 PM
> >> To: Database Advisors
> >> Subject: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
> >>
> >> Hello, all.
> >>
> >> I deployed a 2007 app today that is supposed to be up and running all
> >> the time.  It's relatively simple - one form bound to a temporary
> >> table that is emptied and refilled every minute on the form timer
> >> event.
> >>
> >> After about 30 minutes, the app throws a 3014 Error - cannot open any
> >> more tables.
> >>
> >> We are running jet 4.0, which is the most current, yes?  If this is
> >> truly a jet related error, there are a couple of things I can do to
> >> help optimize the app - about half the queries in the app are run
> >> from saved query defs, and I can convert all those to sql statements.
> >> I've decompiled and reinstalled the access database engine, both
> >> suggestions that turned up in a google search.  But beyond these
> >> troubleshooting steps, I don't know what else to do.
> >>
> >> Can you please give me some clues on what may be triggering this?  I
> >> haven't seen this error before (that I can remember, anyway) and I
> >> have another app deployed on the shop floor which runs 24/7 and
> >> refreshes every minute without any issues.  Any help is greatly
> >> appreciated!
> >>
> >> Janet Erbach
> >> --
> >> AccessD mailing list
> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >>
> > --
> > John W. Colby
> >
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Wed Apr 26 16:30:55 2017
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 21:30:55 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
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How would I get a copy of this "tool"?

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Janet Erbach
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 4:26 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables

[This email message was received from the Internet and came from outside of Kinder Morgan]


You BET it's great!  I've used your tool countless times in the last 3 years and it's bailed me out of some serious issues 90% of the time!  :)  Thank you very much for making that available.

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Dan Waters <df.waters at outlook.com> wrote:

> The DeCorrupter tool?
>
> Oooooohhh - now I remember.  Great!
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Janet Erbach
> Sent: April 26, 2017 16:12
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
>
> I cleaned up some open recordsets in the code - I was *not* as clean 
> in my code as I thought I was.  This alone did not correct the issue, 
> though - 30 minutes after launch it hit the 3014 error again.
>
> BUT:  I then ran the front end through  Dan Waters' Decorrupter tool, 
> and it ran for over 3 hours without a hitch.  I closed it so that I 
> could upload it to the network and deploy it;  she's running again and  
> I will let 'er run overnight.  We'll see if she's still going come morning.
>
> Janet
>
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 3:24 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > It turns out that any form and any object like a list or combo on 
> > the form also opens a recordset.  Thus this exact problem can be 
> > caused by overly complex forms.  However she expressly says it is a 
> > single "simple" form so that is probably not the issue.  File 
> > sharing locks have nothing to do with the recordsets in a FE 
> > however.  Those locks
> control access to the BE.
> >
> >
> > On 4/25/2017 6:55 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> >
> >> Is there a registry key that can be increased like the 
> >> MaxLocksPerFile
> >> hack:
> >>
> >> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/815281/-file-sharin
> >> g-lock-count-exc
> >> eeded-error-message-during-large-transaction-processing
> >>
> >> http://tinyurl.com/l77zk7f
> >>
> >> to allow more tables?  Although John's probably right - you 
> >> probably don't need that many tables open.
> >>
> >> Can you trap that error and run a few lines of code which would 
> >> list all the open tables? Maybe you could spot the culprit?
> >>
> >> R
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On 
> >> Behalf Of Janet Erbach
> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 2:39 PM
> >> To: Database Advisors
> >> Subject: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
> >>
> >> Hello, all.
> >>
> >> I deployed a 2007 app today that is supposed to be up and running 
> >> all the time.  It's relatively simple - one form bound to a 
> >> temporary table that is emptied and refilled every minute on the 
> >> form timer event.
> >>
> >> After about 30 minutes, the app throws a 3014 Error - cannot open 
> >> any more tables.
> >>
> >> We are running jet 4.0, which is the most current, yes?  If this is 
> >> truly a jet related error, there are a couple of things I can do to 
> >> help optimize the app - about half the queries in the app are run 
> >> from saved query defs, and I can convert all those to sql statements.
> >> I've decompiled and reinstalled the access database engine, both 
> >> suggestions that turned up in a google search.  But beyond these 
> >> troubleshooting steps, I don't know what else to do.
> >>
> >> Can you please give me some clues on what may be triggering this?  
> >> I haven't seen this error before (that I can remember, anyway) and 
> >> I have another app deployed on the shop floor which runs 24/7 and 
> >> refreshes every minute without any issues.  Any help is greatly 
> >> appreciated!
> >>
> >> Janet Erbach
> >> --
> >> AccessD mailing list
> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >>
> > --
> > John W. Colby
> >
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From df.waters at outlook.com  Wed Apr 26 16:58:46 2017
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 21:58:46 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
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I'll send a copy in the next day or so ...

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: April 26, 2017 16:31
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables

How would I get a copy of this "tool"?

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Janet Erbach
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 4:26 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables

[This email message was received from the Internet and came from outside of Kinder Morgan]


You BET it's great!  I've used your tool countless times in the last 3 years and it's bailed me out of some serious issues 90% of the time!  :)  Thank you very much for making that available.

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Dan Waters <df.waters at outlook.com> wrote:

> The DeCorrupter tool?
>
> Oooooohhh - now I remember.  Great!
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Janet Erbach
> Sent: April 26, 2017 16:12
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
>
> I cleaned up some open recordsets in the code - I was *not* as clean 
> in my code as I thought I was.  This alone did not correct the issue, 
> though - 30 minutes after launch it hit the 3014 error again.
>
> BUT:  I then ran the front end through  Dan Waters' Decorrupter tool, 
> and it ran for over 3 hours without a hitch.  I closed it so that I 
> could upload it to the network and deploy it;  she's running again and 
> I will let 'er run overnight.  We'll see if she's still going come morning.
>
> Janet
>
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 3:24 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > It turns out that any form and any object like a list or combo on 
> > the form also opens a recordset.  Thus this exact problem can be 
> > caused by overly complex forms.  However she expressly says it is a 
> > single "simple" form so that is probably not the issue.  File 
> > sharing locks have nothing to do with the recordsets in a FE 
> > however.  Those locks
> control access to the BE.
> >
> >
> > On 4/25/2017 6:55 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> >
> >> Is there a registry key that can be increased like the 
> >> MaxLocksPerFile
> >> hack:
> >>
> >> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/815281/-file-sharin
> >> g-lock-count-exc
> >> eeded-error-message-during-large-transaction-processing
> >>
> >> http://tinyurl.com/l77zk7f
> >>
> >> to allow more tables?  Although John's probably right - you 
> >> probably don't need that many tables open.
> >>
> >> Can you trap that error and run a few lines of code which would 
> >> list all the open tables? Maybe you could spot the culprit?
> >>
> >> R
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On 
> >> Behalf Of Janet Erbach
> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 2:39 PM
> >> To: Database Advisors
> >> Subject: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
> >>
> >> Hello, all.
> >>
> >> I deployed a 2007 app today that is supposed to be up and running 
> >> all the time.  It's relatively simple - one form bound to a 
> >> temporary table that is emptied and refilled every minute on the 
> >> form timer event.
> >>
> >> After about 30 minutes, the app throws a 3014 Error - cannot open 
> >> any more tables.
> >>
> >> We are running jet 4.0, which is the most current, yes?  If this is 
> >> truly a jet related error, there are a couple of things I can do to 
> >> help optimize the app - about half the queries in the app are run 
> >> from saved query defs, and I can convert all those to sql statements.
> >> I've decompiled and reinstalled the access database engine, both 
> >> suggestions that turned up in a google search.  But beyond these 
> >> troubleshooting steps, I don't know what else to do.
> >>
> >> Can you please give me some clues on what may be triggering this?  
> >> I haven't seen this error before (that I can remember, anyway) and 
> >> I have another app deployed on the shop floor which runs 24/7 and 
> >> refreshes every minute without any issues.  Any help is greatly 
> >> appreciated!
> >>
> >> Janet Erbach
> >> --
> >> AccessD mailing list
> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >>
> > --
> > John W. Colby
> >
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
--
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AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Wed Apr 26 17:27:00 2017
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 18:27:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
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Dan,

You may want to post it. There may be others with a need.

jack

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 5:58 PM, Dan Waters <df.waters at outlook.com> wrote:

> I'll send a copy in the next day or so ...
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Kaup, Chester
> Sent: April 26, 2017 16:31
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
>
> How would I get a copy of this "tool"?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Janet Erbach
> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 4:26 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
>
> [This email message was received from the Internet and came from outside
> of Kinder Morgan]
>
>
> You BET it's great!  I've used your tool countless times in the last 3
> years and it's bailed me out of some serious issues 90% of the time!  :)
> Thank you very much for making that available.
>
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Dan Waters <df.waters at outlook.com> wrote:
>
> > The DeCorrupter tool?
> >
> > Oooooohhh - now I remember.  Great!
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> > Of Janet Erbach
> > Sent: April 26, 2017 16:12
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
> >
> > I cleaned up some open recordsets in the code - I was *not* as clean
> > in my code as I thought I was.  This alone did not correct the issue,
> > though - 30 minutes after launch it hit the 3014 error again.
> >
> > BUT:  I then ran the front end through  Dan Waters' Decorrupter tool,
> > and it ran for over 3 hours without a hitch.  I closed it so that I
> > could upload it to the network and deploy it;  she's running again and
> > I will let 'er run overnight.  We'll see if she's still going come
> morning.
> >
> > Janet
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 3:24 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > It turns out that any form and any object like a list or combo on
> > > the form also opens a recordset.  Thus this exact problem can be
> > > caused by overly complex forms.  However she expressly says it is a
> > > single "simple" form so that is probably not the issue.  File
> > > sharing locks have nothing to do with the recordsets in a FE
> > > however.  Those locks
> > control access to the BE.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 4/25/2017 6:55 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> > >
> > >> Is there a registry key that can be increased like the
> > >> MaxLocksPerFile
> > >> hack:
> > >>
> > >> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/815281/-file-sharin
> > >> g-lock-count-exc
> > >> eeded-error-message-during-large-transaction-processing
> > >>
> > >> http://tinyurl.com/l77zk7f
> > >>
> > >> to allow more tables?  Although John's probably right - you
> > >> probably don't need that many tables open.
> > >>
> > >> Can you trap that error and run a few lines of code which would
> > >> list all the open tables? Maybe you could spot the culprit?
> > >>
> > >> R
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> > >> Behalf Of Janet Erbach
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 2:39 PM
> > >> To: Database Advisors
> > >> Subject: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
> > >>
> > >> Hello, all.
> > >>
> > >> I deployed a 2007 app today that is supposed to be up and running
> > >> all the time.  It's relatively simple - one form bound to a
> > >> temporary table that is emptied and refilled every minute on the
> > >> form timer event.
> > >>
> > >> After about 30 minutes, the app throws a 3014 Error - cannot open
> > >> any more tables.
> > >>
> > >> We are running jet 4.0, which is the most current, yes?  If this is
> > >> truly a jet related error, there are a couple of things I can do to
> > >> help optimize the app - about half the queries in the app are run
> > >> from saved query defs, and I can convert all those to sql statements.
> > >> I've decompiled and reinstalled the access database engine, both
> > >> suggestions that turned up in a google search.  But beyond these
> > >> troubleshooting steps, I don't know what else to do.
> > >>
> > >> Can you please give me some clues on what may be triggering this?
> > >> I haven't seen this error before (that I can remember, anyway) and
> > >> I have another app deployed on the shop floor which runs 24/7 and
> > >> refreshes every minute without any issues.  Any help is greatly
> > >> appreciated!
> > >>
> > >> Janet Erbach
> > >> --
> > >> AccessD mailing list
> > >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >>
> > >>
> > > --
> > > John W. Colby
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From df.waters at outlook.com  Wed Apr 26 17:28:19 2017
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 22:28:19 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
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Thanks!  :-)

You're very welcome.  

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Janet Erbach
Sent: April 26, 2017 16:26
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables

You BET it's great!  I've used your tool countless times in the last 3 years and it's bailed me out of some serious issues 90% of the time!  :)  Thank you very much for making that available.

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Dan Waters <df.waters at outlook.com> wrote:

> The DeCorrupter tool?
>
> Oooooohhh - now I remember.  Great!
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Janet Erbach
> Sent: April 26, 2017 16:12
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
>
> I cleaned up some open recordsets in the code - I was *not* as clean 
> in my code as I thought I was.  This alone did not correct the issue, 
> though - 30 minutes after launch it hit the 3014 error again.
>
> BUT:  I then ran the front end through  Dan Waters' Decorrupter tool, 
> and it ran for over 3 hours without a hitch.  I closed it so that I 
> could upload it to the network and deploy it;  she's running again and  
> I will let 'er run overnight.  We'll see if she's still going come morning.
>
> Janet
>
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 3:24 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > It turns out that any form and any object like a list or combo on 
> > the form also opens a recordset.  Thus this exact problem can be 
> > caused by overly complex forms.  However she expressly says it is a 
> > single "simple" form so that is probably not the issue.  File 
> > sharing locks have nothing to do with the recordsets in a FE 
> > however.  Those locks
> control access to the BE.
> >
> >
> > On 4/25/2017 6:55 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> >
> >> Is there a registry key that can be increased like the 
> >> MaxLocksPerFile
> >> hack:
> >>
> >> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/815281/-file-sharin
> >> g-lock-count-exc
> >> eeded-error-message-during-large-transaction-processing
> >>
> >> http://tinyurl.com/l77zk7f
> >>
> >> to allow more tables?  Although John's probably right - you 
> >> probably don't need that many tables open.
> >>
> >> Can you trap that error and run a few lines of code which would 
> >> list all the open tables? Maybe you could spot the culprit?
> >>
> >> R
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On 
> >> Behalf Of Janet Erbach
> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 2:39 PM
> >> To: Database Advisors
> >> Subject: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
> >>
> >> Hello, all.
> >>
> >> I deployed a 2007 app today that is supposed to be up and running 
> >> all the time.  It's relatively simple - one form bound to a 
> >> temporary table that is emptied and refilled every minute on the 
> >> form timer event.
> >>
> >> After about 30 minutes, the app throws a 3014 Error - cannot open 
> >> any more tables.
> >>
> >> We are running jet 4.0, which is the most current, yes?  If this is 
> >> truly a jet related error, there are a couple of things I can do to 
> >> help optimize the app - about half the queries in the app are run 
> >> from saved query defs, and I can convert all those to sql statements.
> >> I've decompiled and reinstalled the access database engine, both 
> >> suggestions that turned up in a google search.  But beyond these 
> >> troubleshooting steps, I don't know what else to do.
> >>
> >> Can you please give me some clues on what may be triggering this?  
> >> I haven't seen this error before (that I can remember, anyway) and 
> >> I have another app deployed on the shop floor which runs 24/7 and 
> >> refreshes every minute without any issues.  Any help is greatly 
> >> appreciated!
> >>
> >> Janet Erbach
> >> --
> >> AccessD mailing list
> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >>
> > --
> > John W. Colby
> >
> >
> > --
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> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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From df.waters at outlook.com  Wed Apr 26 17:37:19 2017
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 22:37:19 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
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How would I post it?

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack drawbridge
Sent: April 26, 2017 17:27
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables

Dan,

You may want to post it. There may be others with a need.

jack

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 5:58 PM, Dan Waters <df.waters at outlook.com> wrote:

> I'll send a copy in the next day or so ...
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Kaup, Chester
> Sent: April 26, 2017 16:31
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
>
> How would I get a copy of this "tool"?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Janet Erbach
> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 4:26 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
>
> [This email message was received from the Internet and came from 
> outside of Kinder Morgan]
>
>
> You BET it's great!  I've used your tool countless times in the last 3 
> years and it's bailed me out of some serious issues 90% of the time!  
> :) Thank you very much for making that available.
>
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Dan Waters <df.waters at outlook.com> wrote:
>
> > The DeCorrupter tool?
> >
> > Oooooohhh - now I remember.  Great!
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On 
> > Behalf Of Janet Erbach
> > Sent: April 26, 2017 16:12
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
> >
> > I cleaned up some open recordsets in the code - I was *not* as clean 
> > in my code as I thought I was.  This alone did not correct the 
> > issue, though - 30 minutes after launch it hit the 3014 error again.
> >
> > BUT:  I then ran the front end through  Dan Waters' Decorrupter 
> > tool, and it ran for over 3 hours without a hitch.  I closed it so 
> > that I could upload it to the network and deploy it;  she's running 
> > again and I will let 'er run overnight.  We'll see if she's still 
> > going come
> morning.
> >
> > Janet
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 3:24 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > It turns out that any form and any object like a list or combo on 
> > > the form also opens a recordset.  Thus this exact problem can be 
> > > caused by overly complex forms.  However she expressly says it is 
> > > a single "simple" form so that is probably not the issue.  File 
> > > sharing locks have nothing to do with the recordsets in a FE 
> > > however.  Those locks
> > control access to the BE.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 4/25/2017 6:55 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> > >
> > >> Is there a registry key that can be increased like the 
> > >> MaxLocksPerFile
> > >> hack:
> > >>
> > >> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/815281/-file-sharin
> > >> g-lock-count-exc
> > >> eeded-error-message-during-large-transaction-processing
> > >>
> > >> http://tinyurl.com/l77zk7f
> > >>
> > >> to allow more tables?  Although John's probably right - you 
> > >> probably don't need that many tables open.
> > >>
> > >> Can you trap that error and run a few lines of code which would 
> > >> list all the open tables? Maybe you could spot the culprit?
> > >>
> > >> R
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On 
> > >> Behalf Of Janet Erbach
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 2:39 PM
> > >> To: Database Advisors
> > >> Subject: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
> > >>
> > >> Hello, all.
> > >>
> > >> I deployed a 2007 app today that is supposed to be up and running 
> > >> all the time.  It's relatively simple - one form bound to a 
> > >> temporary table that is emptied and refilled every minute on the 
> > >> form timer event.
> > >>
> > >> After about 30 minutes, the app throws a 3014 Error - cannot open 
> > >> any more tables.
> > >>
> > >> We are running jet 4.0, which is the most current, yes?  If this 
> > >> is truly a jet related error, there are a couple of things I can 
> > >> do to help optimize the app - about half the queries in the app 
> > >> are run from saved query defs, and I can convert all those to sql statements.
> > >> I've decompiled and reinstalled the access database engine, both 
> > >> suggestions that turned up in a google search.  But beyond these 
> > >> troubleshooting steps, I don't know what else to do.
> > >>
> > >> Can you please give me some clues on what may be triggering this?
> > >> I haven't seen this error before (that I can remember, anyway) 
> > >> and I have another app deployed on the shop floor which runs 24/7 
> > >> and refreshes every minute without any issues.  Any help is 
> > >> greatly appreciated!
> > >>
> > >> Janet Erbach
> > >> --
> > >> AccessD mailing list
> > >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >>
> > >>
> > > --
> > > John W. Colby
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> --
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Apr 26 18:11:19 2017
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 09:11:19 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
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Send me a copy and I'll put it up on one of my websites then post the URL here.

:)


On 26 Apr 2017 at 22:37, Dan Waters wrote:

> How would I post it?
> 
> Dan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of jack drawbridge Sent: April 26, 2017 17:27 To: Access Developers
> discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 3014
> Cannot open any more tables
> 
> Dan,
> 
> You may want to post it. There may be others with a need.
> 
> jack
> 
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 5:58 PM, Dan Waters <df.waters at outlook.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > I'll send a copy in the next day or so ...
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> > Behalf Of Kaup, Chester Sent: April 26, 2017 16:31 To: 'Access
> > Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD]
> > Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
> >
> > How would I get a copy of this "tool"?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> > Behalf Of Janet Erbach Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 4:26 PM To:
> > Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re:
> > [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
> >
> > [This email message was received from the Internet and came from
> > outside of Kinder Morgan]
> >
> >
> > You BET it's great!  I've used your tool countless times in the last
> > 3 years and it's bailed me out of some serious issues 90% of the
> > time!  :) Thank you very much for making that available.
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Dan Waters <df.waters at outlook.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > The DeCorrupter tool?
> > >
> > > Oooooohhh - now I remember.  Great!
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> > > Behalf Of Janet Erbach Sent: April 26, 2017 16:12 To: Access
> > > Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD]
> > > Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
> > >
> > > I cleaned up some open recordsets in the code - I was *not* as
> > > clean in my code as I thought I was.  This alone did not correct
> > > the issue, though - 30 minutes after launch it hit the 3014 error
> > > again.
> > >
> > > BUT:  I then ran the front end through  Dan Waters' Decorrupter
> > > tool, and it ran for over 3 hours without a hitch.  I closed it so
> > > that I could upload it to the network and deploy it;  she's
> > > running again and I will let 'er run overnight.  We'll see if
> > > she's still going come
> > morning.
> > >
> > > Janet
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 3:24 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > It turns out that any form and any object like a list or combo
> > > > on the form also opens a recordset.  Thus this exact problem can
> > > > be caused by overly complex forms.  However she expressly says
> > > > it is a single "simple" form so that is probably not the issue. 
> > > > File sharing locks have nothing to do with the recordsets in a
> > > > FE however.  Those locks
> > > control access to the BE.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 4/25/2017 6:55 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Is there a registry key that can be increased like the 
> > > >> MaxLocksPerFile
> > > >> hack:
> > > >>
> > > >> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/815281/-file-sharin
> > > >> g-lock-count-exc
> > > >> eeded-error-message-during-large-transaction-processing
> > > >>
> > > >> http://tinyurl.com/l77zk7f
> > > >>
> > > >> to allow more tables?  Although John's probably right - you
> > > >> probably don't need that many tables open.
> > > >>
> > > >> Can you trap that error and run a few lines of code which would
> > > >> list all the open tables? Maybe you could spot the culprit?
> > > >>
> > > >> R
> > > >>
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> > > >> Behalf Of Janet Erbach Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 2:39 PM
> > > >> To: Database Advisors Subject: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open
> > > >> any more tables
> > > >>
> > > >> Hello, all.
> > > >>
> > > >> I deployed a 2007 app today that is supposed to be up and
> > > >> running all the time.  It's relatively simple - one form bound
> > > >> to a temporary table that is emptied and refilled every minute
> > > >> on the form timer event.
> > > >>
> > > >> After about 30 minutes, the app throws a 3014 Error - cannot
> > > >> open any more tables.
> > > >>
> > > >> We are running jet 4.0, which is the most current, yes?  If
> > > >> this is truly a jet related error, there are a couple of things
> > > >> I can do to help optimize the app - about half the queries in
> > > >> the app are run from saved query defs, and I can convert all
> > > >> those to sql statements. I've decompiled and reinstalled the
> > > >> access database engine, both suggestions that turned up in a
> > > >> google search.  But beyond these troubleshooting steps, I don't
> > > >> know what else to do.
> > > >>
> > > >> Can you please give me some clues on what may be triggering
> > > >> this? I haven't seen this error before (that I can remember,
> > > >> anyway) and I have another app deployed on the shop floor which
> > > >> runs 24/7 and refreshes every minute without any issues.  Any
> > > >> help is greatly appreciated!
> > > >>
> > > >> Janet Erbach
> > > >> --
> > > >> AccessD mailing list
> > > >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > > --
> > > > John W. Colby
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> > --
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > --
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> >
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Apr 27 05:24:23 2017
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 06:24:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
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Janet,

  There also may be an Access bug that your tripping over causing a resource
leak.

  Not sure what the process is, but consider not leaving it running
constantly. Instead have it do it's process, then quit, and execute it again
with the windows task scheduler when needed (every xx minutes).

  If the process might run over the next startup, you can use code at app
startup to prevent multiple instances running
(https://www.experts-exchange.com/articles/2104/Avoiding-running-multiple-in
stances-of-an-application.html )

  This is the way I structure most of my automated tasks.  Starting over
each time gives you a "clean slate" which I find a more robust solution.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Janet Erbach
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 05:12 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables

I cleaned up some open recordsets in the code - I was *not* as clean in my
code as I thought I was.  This alone did not correct the issue, though - 30
minutes after launch it hit the 3014 error again.

BUT:  I then ran the front end through  Dan Waters' Decorrupter tool, and
it ran for over 3 hours without a hitch.  I closed it so that I could
upload it to the network and deploy it;  she's running again and  I will
let 'er run overnight.  We'll see if she's still going come morning.

Janet

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 3:24 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> It turns out that any form and any object like a list or combo on the form
> also opens a recordset.  Thus this exact problem can be caused by overly
> complex forms.  However she expressly says it is a single "simple" form so
> that is probably not the issue.  File sharing locks have nothing to do
with
> the recordsets in a FE however.  Those locks control access to the BE.
>
>
> On 4/25/2017 6:55 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>
>> Is there a registry key that can be increased like the MaxLocksPerFile
>> hack:
>>
>> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/815281/-file-sharin
>> g-lock-count-exc
>> eeded-error-message-during-large-transaction-processing
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/l77zk7f
>>
>> to allow more tables?  Although John's probably right - you probably
don't
>> need that many tables open.
>>
>> Can you trap that error and run a few lines of code which would list all
>> the
>> open tables? Maybe you could spot the culprit?
>>
>> R
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> Janet Erbach
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 2:39 PM
>> To: Database Advisors
>> Subject: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
>>
>> Hello, all.
>>
>> I deployed a 2007 app today that is supposed to be up and running all the
>> time.  It's relatively simple - one form bound to a temporary table that
>> is
>> emptied and refilled every minute on the form timer event.
>>
>> After about 30 minutes, the app throws a 3014 Error - cannot open any
more
>> tables.
>>
>> We are running jet 4.0, which is the most current, yes?  If this is truly
>> a
>> jet related error, there are a couple of things I can do to help optimize
>> the app - about half the queries in the app are run from saved query
defs,
>> and I can convert all those to sql statements.  I've decompiled and
>> reinstalled the access database engine, both suggestions that turned up
>> in a
>> google search.  But beyond these troubleshooting steps, I don't know what
>> else to do.
>>
>> Can you please give me some clues on what may be triggering this?  I
>> haven't
>> seen this error before (that I can remember, anyway) and I have another
>> app
>> deployed on the shop floor which runs 24/7 and refreshes every minute
>> without any issues.  Any help is greatly appreciated!
>>
>> Janet Erbach
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
> --
> John W. Colby
>
>
> --
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Apr 27 05:24:23 2017
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 06:24:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
In-Reply-To: <590101E1.4020909@Gmail.com>
References: <CA+bdhCiWLxRaPvDi8-JQXr4WjS5O=S7kpF1FTR6dRnGmeOCtaA@mail.gmail.com><018f01d2be16$f8dee1c0$ea9ca540$@bchacc.com>
	<590101E1.4020909@Gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7C2907C2F85D4851A6E0D2B35F0C0448@XPS>

 <<File sharing locks 
have nothing to do with the recordsets in a FE however.  Those locks 
control access to the BE.>>

 Of course they do.   The file locks are held by the OS where the database
containing the table resides, but that's done are the request of the
client/FE working with the recordset.   If the db engine can't take out any
more locks, a error is raised.

 Typically though, that's "Not enough resources".   This error is usually
bumping into the 2048 table ID limit.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
John Colby
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 04:24 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables

It turns out that any form and any object like a list or combo on the 
form also opens a recordset.  Thus this exact problem can be caused by 
overly complex forms.  However she expressly says it is a single 
"simple" form so that is probably not the issue.  File sharing locks 
have nothing to do with the recordsets in a FE however.  Those locks 
control access to the BE.

On 4/25/2017 6:55 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> Is there a registry key that can be increased like the MaxLocksPerFile
hack:
>
>
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/815281/-file-sharing-lock-count-exc
> eeded-error-message-during-large-transaction-processing
>
> http://tinyurl.com/l77zk7f
>
> to allow more tables?  Although John's probably right - you probably don't
> need that many tables open.
>
> Can you trap that error and run a few lines of code which would list all
the
> open tables? Maybe you could spot the culprit?
>
> R
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Janet Erbach
> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 2:39 PM
> To: Database Advisors
> Subject: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
>
> Hello, all.
>
> I deployed a 2007 app today that is supposed to be up and running all the
> time.  It's relatively simple - one form bound to a temporary table that
is
> emptied and refilled every minute on the form timer event.
>
> After about 30 minutes, the app throws a 3014 Error - cannot open any more
> tables.
>
> We are running jet 4.0, which is the most current, yes?  If this is truly
a
> jet related error, there are a couple of things I can do to help optimize
> the app - about half the queries in the app are run from saved query defs,
> and I can convert all those to sql statements.  I've decompiled and
> reinstalled the access database engine, both suggestions that turned up in
a
> google search.  But beyond these troubleshooting steps, I don't know what
> else to do.
>
> Can you please give me some clues on what may be triggering this?  I
haven't
> seen this error before (that I can remember, anyway) and I have another
app
> deployed on the shop floor which runs 24/7 and refreshes every minute
> without any issues.  Any help is greatly appreciated!
>
> Janet Erbach
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

-- 
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From jerbach.db at gmail.com  Thu Apr 27 10:07:12 2017
From: jerbach.db at gmail.com (Janet Erbach)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 10:07:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
In-Reply-To: <5AE9D0766E6A4B27894AEDF2C26E467C@XPS>
References: <CA+bdhCiWLxRaPvDi8-JQXr4WjS5O=S7kpF1FTR6dRnGmeOCtaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<018f01d2be16$f8dee1c0$ea9ca540$@bchacc.com>
	<590101E1.4020909@Gmail.com>
	<CA+bdhCiFJpkdYduOkKRWJGApGOvWVqyFTOgjLvxo79+MGLtk=Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<5AE9D0766E6A4B27894AEDF2C26E467C@XPS>
Message-ID: <CA+bdhCi1JZHf1Vq11sU4xLXexj61gzVQ8B0xoskk49UKbrU+uw@mail.gmail.com>

Jim - Thank you for this suggestion.  I may have to do this - the app ran
all night on my laptop (local copies of the data - NOT networked) and it
never crashed.  But on the shop floor it's crashing now after about 3
hours.  Better than 30 minutes...but still not cool.

I already  do this 'task scheduler' start up with a different access
application I created a couple of years ago, so I know what you're
describing.  I have a powershell script that is launched by the scheduler
which closes access if it's already open, and then launches a new instance
of the app.  I can do this the same way.

Do you think this problem could have anything to do with the fact that my
form is based on a temporary table which I'm emptying and refilling via
queries every 30 seconds?  I'm asking because I have another app on the
shop floor which runs all day long without ever generating this error...but
it's linked to a local table, and it's not being re-queried all day long.
I'm guessing that's got to be the reason behind this.

Janet

On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 5:24 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
> Janet,
>
>   There also may be an Access bug that your tripping over causing a
> resource
> leak.
>
>   Not sure what the process is, but consider not leaving it running
> constantly. Instead have it do it's process, then quit, and execute it
> again
> with the windows task scheduler when needed (every xx minutes).
>
>   If the process might run over the next startup, you can use code at app
> startup to prevent multiple instances running
> (https://www.experts-exchange.com/articles/2104/Avoiding-
> running-multiple-in
> stances-of-an-application.html )
>
>   This is the way I structure most of my automated tasks.  Starting over
> each time gives you a "clean slate" which I find a more robust solution.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Janet Erbach
> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 05:12 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
>
> I cleaned up some open recordsets in the code - I was *not* as clean in my
> code as I thought I was.  This alone did not correct the issue, though - 30
> minutes after launch it hit the 3014 error again.
>
> BUT:  I then ran the front end through  Dan Waters' Decorrupter tool, and
> it ran for over 3 hours without a hitch.  I closed it so that I could
> upload it to the network and deploy it;  she's running again and  I will
> let 'er run overnight.  We'll see if she's still going come morning.
>
> Janet
>
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 3:24 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > It turns out that any form and any object like a list or combo on the
> form
> > also opens a recordset.  Thus this exact problem can be caused by overly
> > complex forms.  However she expressly says it is a single "simple" form
> so
> > that is probably not the issue.  File sharing locks have nothing to do
> with
> > the recordsets in a FE however.  Those locks control access to the BE.
> >
> >
> > On 4/25/2017 6:55 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> >
> >> Is there a registry key that can be increased like the MaxLocksPerFile
> >> hack:
> >>
> >> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/815281/-file-sharin
> >> g-lock-count-exc
> >> eeded-error-message-during-large-transaction-processing
> >>
> >> http://tinyurl.com/l77zk7f
> >>
> >> to allow more tables?  Although John's probably right - you probably
> don't
> >> need that many tables open.
> >>
> >> Can you trap that error and run a few lines of code which would list all
> >> the
> >> open tables? Maybe you could spot the culprit?
> >>
> >> R
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of
> >> Janet Erbach
> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 2:39 PM
> >> To: Database Advisors
> >> Subject: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
> >>
> >> Hello, all.
> >>
> >> I deployed a 2007 app today that is supposed to be up and running all
> the
> >> time.  It's relatively simple - one form bound to a temporary table that
> >> is
> >> emptied and refilled every minute on the form timer event.
> >>
> >> After about 30 minutes, the app throws a 3014 Error - cannot open any
> more
> >> tables.
> >>
> >> We are running jet 4.0, which is the most current, yes?  If this is
> truly
> >> a
> >> jet related error, there are a couple of things I can do to help
> optimize
> >> the app - about half the queries in the app are run from saved query
> defs,
> >> and I can convert all those to sql statements.  I've decompiled and
> >> reinstalled the access database engine, both suggestions that turned up
> >> in a
> >> google search.  But beyond these troubleshooting steps, I don't know
> what
> >> else to do.
> >>
> >> Can you please give me some clues on what may be triggering this?  I
> >> haven't
> >> seen this error before (that I can remember, anyway) and I have another
> >> app
> >> deployed on the shop floor which runs 24/7 and refreshes every minute
> >> without any issues.  Any help is greatly appreciated!
> >>
> >> Janet Erbach
> >> --
> >> AccessD mailing list
> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >>
> > --
> > John W. Colby
> >
> >
> > --
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> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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>
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>

From jwcolby at gmail.com  Thu Apr 27 15:03:00 2017
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 16:03:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
In-Reply-To: <5AE9D0766E6A4B27894AEDF2C26E467C@XPS>
References: <CA+bdhCiWLxRaPvDi8-JQXr4WjS5O=S7kpF1FTR6dRnGmeOCtaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<018f01d2be16$f8dee1c0$ea9ca540$@bchacc.com>
	<590101E1.4020909@Gmail.com>
	<CA+bdhCiFJpkdYduOkKRWJGApGOvWVqyFTOgjLvxo79+MGLtk=Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<5AE9D0766E6A4B27894AEDF2C26E467C@XPS>
Message-ID: <59024E74.7010806@Gmail.com>

This is a great idea.  Open, run, shut down, rinse, repeat.

On 4/27/2017 6:24 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
> Janet,
>
>    There also may be an Access bug that your tripping over causing a resource
> leak.
>
>    Not sure what the process is, but consider not leaving it running
> constantly. Instead have it do it's process, then quit, and execute it again
> with the windows task scheduler when needed (every xx minutes).
>
>    If the process might run over the next startup, you can use code at app
> startup to prevent multiple instances running
> (https://www.experts-exchange.com/articles/2104/Avoiding-running-multiple-in
> stances-of-an-application.html )
>
>    This is the way I structure most of my automated tasks.  Starting over
> each time gives you a "clean slate" which I find a more robust solution.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Janet Erbach
> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 05:12 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
>
> I cleaned up some open recordsets in the code - I was *not* as clean in my
> code as I thought I was.  This alone did not correct the issue, though - 30
> minutes after launch it hit the 3014 error again.
>
> BUT:  I then ran the front end through  Dan Waters' Decorrupter tool, and
> it ran for over 3 hours without a hitch.  I closed it so that I could
> upload it to the network and deploy it;  she's running again and  I will
> let 'er run overnight.  We'll see if she's still going come morning.
>
> Janet
>
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 3:24 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It turns out that any form and any object like a list or combo on the form
>> also opens a recordset.  Thus this exact problem can be caused by overly
>> complex forms.  However she expressly says it is a single "simple" form so
>> that is probably not the issue.  File sharing locks have nothing to do
> with
>> the recordsets in a FE however.  Those locks control access to the BE.
>>
>>
>> On 4/25/2017 6:55 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>>
>>> Is there a registry key that can be increased like the MaxLocksPerFile
>>> hack:
>>>
>>> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/815281/-file-sharin
>>> g-lock-count-exc
>>> eeded-error-message-during-large-transaction-processing
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/l77zk7f
>>>
>>> to allow more tables?  Although John's probably right - you probably
> don't
>>> need that many tables open.
>>>
>>> Can you trap that error and run a few lines of code which would list all
>>> the
>>> open tables? Maybe you could spot the culprit?
>>>
>>> R
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Janet Erbach
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 2:39 PM
>>> To: Database Advisors
>>> Subject: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
>>>
>>> Hello, all.
>>>
>>> I deployed a 2007 app today that is supposed to be up and running all the
>>> time.  It's relatively simple - one form bound to a temporary table that
>>> is
>>> emptied and refilled every minute on the form timer event.
>>>
>>> After about 30 minutes, the app throws a 3014 Error - cannot open any
> more
>>> tables.
>>>
>>> We are running jet 4.0, which is the most current, yes?  If this is truly
>>> a
>>> jet related error, there are a couple of things I can do to help optimize
>>> the app - about half the queries in the app are run from saved query
> defs,
>>> and I can convert all those to sql statements.  I've decompiled and
>>> reinstalled the access database engine, both suggestions that turned up
>>> in a
>>> google search.  But beyond these troubleshooting steps, I don't know what
>>> else to do.
>>>
>>> Can you please give me some clues on what may be triggering this?  I
>>> haven't
>>> seen this error before (that I can remember, anyway) and I have another
>>> app
>>> deployed on the shop floor which runs 24/7 and refreshes every minute
>>> without any issues.  Any help is greatly appreciated!
>>>
>>> Janet Erbach
>>> --
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>>
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>

-- 
John W. Colby


From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Apr 27 18:24:52 2017
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 17:24:52 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
In-Reply-To: <59024E74.7010806@Gmail.com>
References: <CA+bdhCiWLxRaPvDi8-JQXr4WjS5O=S7kpF1FTR6dRnGmeOCtaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<018f01d2be16$f8dee1c0$ea9ca540$@bchacc.com>
	<590101E1.4020909@Gmail.com>
	<CA+bdhCiFJpkdYduOkKRWJGApGOvWVqyFTOgjLvxo79+MGLtk=Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<5AE9D0766E6A4B27894AEDF2C26E467C@XPS> <59024E74.7010806@Gmail.com>
Message-ID: <739419812.112827235.1493335492844.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Is that sarcasm?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 1:03:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables

This is a great idea. ?Open, run, shut down, rinse, repeat.

On 4/27/2017 6:24 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
> Janet,
>
> ? ?There also may be an Access bug that your tripping over causing a resource
> leak.
>
> ? ?Not sure what the process is, but consider not leaving it running
> constantly. Instead have it do it's process, then quit, and execute it again
> with the windows task scheduler when needed (every xx minutes).
>
> ? ?If the process might run over the next startup, you can use code at app
> startup to prevent multiple instances running
> (https://www.experts-exchange.com/articles/2104/Avoiding-running-multiple-in
> stances-of-an-application.html )
>
> ? ?This is the way I structure most of my automated tasks. ?Starting over
> each time gives you a "clean slate" which I find a more robust solution.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Janet Erbach
> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 05:12 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
>
> I cleaned up some open recordsets in the code - I was *not* as clean in my
> code as I thought I was. ?This alone did not correct the issue, though - 30
> minutes after launch it hit the 3014 error again.
>
> BUT: ?I then ran the front end through ?Dan Waters' Decorrupter tool, and
> it ran for over 3 hours without a hitch. ?I closed it so that I could
> upload it to the network and deploy it; ?she's running again and ?I will
> let 'er run overnight. ?We'll see if she's still going come morning.
>
> Janet
>
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 3:24 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It turns out that any form and any object like a list or combo on the form
>> also opens a recordset. ?Thus this exact problem can be caused by overly
>> complex forms. ?However she expressly says it is a single "simple" form so
>> that is probably not the issue. ?File sharing locks have nothing to do
> with
>> the recordsets in a FE however. ?Those locks control access to the BE.
>>
>>
>> On 4/25/2017 6:55 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>>
>>> Is there a registry key that can be increased like the MaxLocksPerFile
>>> hack:
>>>
>>> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/815281/-file-sharin
>>> g-lock-count-exc
>>> eeded-error-message-during-large-transaction-processing
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/l77zk7f
>>>
>>> to allow more tables? ?Although John's probably right - you probably
> don't
>>> need that many tables open.
>>>
>>> Can you trap that error and run a few lines of code which would list all
>>> the
>>> open tables? Maybe you could spot the culprit?
>>>
>>> R
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Janet Erbach
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 2:39 PM
>>> To: Database Advisors
>>> Subject: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
>>>
>>> Hello, all.
>>>
>>> I deployed a 2007 app today that is supposed to be up and running all the
>>> time. ?It's relatively simple - one form bound to a temporary table that
>>> is
>>> emptied and refilled every minute on the form timer event.
>>>
>>> After about 30 minutes, the app throws a 3014 Error - cannot open any
> more
>>> tables.
>>>
>>> We are running jet 4.0, which is the most current, yes? ?If this is truly
>>> a
>>> jet related error, there are a couple of things I can do to help optimize
>>> the app - about half the queries in the app are run from saved query
> defs,
>>> and I can convert all those to sql statements. ?I've decompiled and
>>> reinstalled the access database engine, both suggestions that turned up
>>> in a
>>> google search. ?But beyond these troubleshooting steps, I don't know what
>>> else to do.
>>>
>>> Can you please give me some clues on what may be triggering this? ?I
>>> haven't
>>> seen this error before (that I can remember, anyway) and I have another
>>> app
>>> deployed on the shop floor which runs 24/7 and refreshes every minute
>>> without any issues. ?Any help is greatly appreciated!
>>>
>>> Janet Erbach
>>> --
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>>
>>
>> --
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>

-- 
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Thu Apr 27 20:10:52 2017
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 21:10:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
In-Reply-To: <739419812.112827235.1493335492844.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <CA+bdhCiWLxRaPvDi8-JQXr4WjS5O=S7kpF1FTR6dRnGmeOCtaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<018f01d2be16$f8dee1c0$ea9ca540$@bchacc.com>
	<590101E1.4020909@Gmail.com>
	<CA+bdhCiFJpkdYduOkKRWJGApGOvWVqyFTOgjLvxo79+MGLtk=Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<5AE9D0766E6A4B27894AEDF2C26E467C@XPS> <59024E74.7010806@Gmail.com>
	<739419812.112827235.1493335492844.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
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No, not at all.  Sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do, and figure out 
a better way later.

On 4/27/2017 7:24 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Is that sarcasm?
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 1:03:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
>
> This is a great idea.  Open, run, shut down, rinse, repeat.
>
> On 4/27/2017 6:24 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
>> Janet,
>>
>>     There also may be an Access bug that your tripping over causing a resource
>> leak.
>>
>>     Not sure what the process is, but consider not leaving it running
>> constantly. Instead have it do it's process, then quit, and execute it again
>> with the windows task scheduler when needed (every xx minutes).
>>
>>     If the process might run over the next startup, you can use code at app
>> startup to prevent multiple instances running
>> (https://www.experts-exchange.com/articles/2104/Avoiding-running-multiple-in
>> stances-of-an-application.html )
>>
>>     This is the way I structure most of my automated tasks.  Starting over
>> each time gives you a "clean slate" which I find a more robust solution.
>>
>> Jim.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> Janet Erbach
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 05:12 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
>>
>> I cleaned up some open recordsets in the code - I was *not* as clean in my
>> code as I thought I was.  This alone did not correct the issue, though - 30
>> minutes after launch it hit the 3014 error again.
>>
>> BUT:  I then ran the front end through  Dan Waters' Decorrupter tool, and
>> it ran for over 3 hours without a hitch.  I closed it so that I could
>> upload it to the network and deploy it;  she's running again and  I will
>> let 'er run overnight.  We'll see if she's still going come morning.
>>
>> Janet
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 3:24 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It turns out that any form and any object like a list or combo on the form
>>> also opens a recordset.  Thus this exact problem can be caused by overly
>>> complex forms.  However she expressly says it is a single "simple" form so
>>> that is probably not the issue.  File sharing locks have nothing to do
>> with
>>> the recordsets in a FE however.  Those locks control access to the BE.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/25/2017 6:55 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is there a registry key that can be increased like the MaxLocksPerFile
>>>> hack:
>>>>
>>>> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/815281/-file-sharin
>>>> g-lock-count-exc
>>>> eeded-error-message-during-large-transaction-processing
>>>>
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/l77zk7f
>>>>
>>>> to allow more tables?  Although John's probably right - you probably
>> don't
>>>> need that many tables open.
>>>>
>>>> Can you trap that error and run a few lines of code which would list all
>>>> the
>>>> open tables? Maybe you could spot the culprit?
>>>>
>>>> R
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>>>> Janet Erbach
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 2:39 PM
>>>> To: Database Advisors
>>>> Subject: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
>>>>
>>>> Hello, all.
>>>>
>>>> I deployed a 2007 app today that is supposed to be up and running all the
>>>> time.  It's relatively simple - one form bound to a temporary table that
>>>> is
>>>> emptied and refilled every minute on the form timer event.
>>>>
>>>> After about 30 minutes, the app throws a 3014 Error - cannot open any
>> more
>>>> tables.
>>>>
>>>> We are running jet 4.0, which is the most current, yes?  If this is truly
>>>> a
>>>> jet related error, there are a couple of things I can do to help optimize
>>>> the app - about half the queries in the app are run from saved query
>> defs,
>>>> and I can convert all those to sql statements.  I've decompiled and
>>>> reinstalled the access database engine, both suggestions that turned up
>>>> in a
>>>> google search.  But beyond these troubleshooting steps, I don't know what
>>>> else to do.
>>>>
>>>> Can you please give me some clues on what may be triggering this?  I
>>>> haven't
>>>> seen this error before (that I can remember, anyway) and I have another
>>>> app
>>>> deployed on the shop floor which runs 24/7 and refreshes every minute
>>>> without any issues.  Any help is greatly appreciated!
>>>>
>>>> Janet Erbach
>>>> --
>>>> AccessD mailing list
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>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>> --
>>> John W. Colby
>>>
>>>
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>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>

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From accesspro at gmail.com  Fri Apr 28 16:13:11 2017
From: accesspro at gmail.com (Bob Heygood)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 14:13:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A 97 to A 2010 compile error
Message-ID: <00e901d2c064$3e4e30e0$baea92a0$@gmail.com>

I am converting an app from A 97 to A 2010.
I updated the DAO ref already.
What reference or library am I missing when I get an error :
Compile Error
"Method or Data member not found"
For this line:
txtTerms_ID = rstTerms.[Terms_ID]
.[Terms_ID] is highlighted.


TIA
Bob


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Apr 28 16:22:38 2017
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 14:22:38 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A 97 to A 2010 compile error
In-Reply-To: <00e901d2c064$3e4e30e0$baea92a0$@gmail.com>
References: <00e901d2c064$3e4e30e0$baea92a0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <04ed01d2c065$908d1280$b1a73780$@bchacc.com>

Are any of the References marked as MISSING?

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Heygood
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 2:13 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A 97 to A 2010 compile error

I am converting an app from A 97 to A 2010.
I updated the DAO ref already.
What reference or library am I missing when I get an error :
Compile Error
"Method or Data member not found"
For this line:
txtTerms_ID = rstTerms.[Terms_ID]
.[Terms_ID] is highlighted.


TIA
Bob

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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Fri Apr 28 16:28:12 2017
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 17:28:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A 97 to A 2010 compile error
In-Reply-To: <00e901d2c064$3e4e30e0$baea92a0$@gmail.com>
References: <00e901d2c064$3e4e30e0$baea92a0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAtwExG9ZwQOrNYAyfLNvzUtBzpOBh4B+s71rjuEJjdfvA@mail.gmail.com>

Bob,

I think rstTerms.[Terms_ID]
should be
rstTerms![Terms_ID]

Good luck.

On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 5:13 PM, Bob Heygood <accesspro at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am converting an app from A 97 to A 2010.
> I updated the DAO ref already.
> What reference or library am I missing when I get an error :
> Compile Error
> "Method or Data member not found"
> For this line:
> txtTerms_ID = rstTerms.[Terms_ID]
> .[Terms_ID] is highlighted.
>
>
> TIA
> Bob
>
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>

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Apr 28 16:34:47 2017
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2017 07:34:47 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A 97 to A 2010 compile error
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAtwExG9ZwQOrNYAyfLNvzUtBzpOBh4B+s71rjuEJjdfvA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00e901d2c064$3e4e30e0$baea92a0$@gmail.com>,
	<CAKvidAtwExG9ZwQOrNYAyfLNvzUtBzpOBh4B+s71rjuEJjdfvA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5903B577.22591.46867B2A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Yep, 97 was a lot more relaxed about "." v "!".


On 28 Apr 2017 at 17:28, jack drawbridge wrote:

> Bob,
> 
> I think rstTerms.[Terms_ID]
> should be
> rstTerms![Terms_ID]
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 5:13 PM, Bob Heygood <accesspro at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > I am converting an app from A 97 to A 2010.
> > I updated the DAO ref already.
> > What reference or library am I missing when I get an error :
> > Compile Error
> > "Method or Data member not found"
> > For this line:
> > txtTerms_ID = rstTerms.[Terms_ID]
> > .[Terms_ID] is highlighted.
> >
> >
> > TIA
> > Bob
> >
> > --
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From accesspro at gmail.com  Fri Apr 28 17:47:54 2017
From: accesspro at gmail.com (Bob Heygood)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 15:47:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A 97 to A 2010 compile error
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAtwExG9ZwQOrNYAyfLNvzUtBzpOBh4B+s71rjuEJjdfvA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00e901d2c064$3e4e30e0$baea92a0$@gmail.com>
	<CAKvidAtwExG9ZwQOrNYAyfLNvzUtBzpOBh4B+s71rjuEJjdfvA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00ed01d2c071$79eb8000$6dc28000$@gmail.com>

Jack,
Yes, it seems that the bang is the thing.

Thanks,

Bob


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
jack drawbridge
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 2:28 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A 97 to A 2010 compile error

Bob,

I think rstTerms.[Terms_ID]
should be
rstTerms![Terms_ID]

Good luck.

On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 5:13 PM, Bob Heygood <accesspro at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am converting an app from A 97 to A 2010.
> I updated the DAO ref already.
> What reference or library am I missing when I get an error :
> Compile Error
> "Method or Data member not found"
> For this line:
> txtTerms_ID = rstTerms.[Terms_ID]
> .[Terms_ID] is highlighted.
>
>
> TIA
> Bob
>
> --
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Sat Apr 29 03:13:47 2017
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2017 04:13:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_2nzBx2qm+dmCuTnx3R4qXqUiixEG0H36KN5DOvTXPGZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+bdhCiWLxRaPvDi8-JQXr4WjS5O=S7kpF1FTR6dRnGmeOCtaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJLzs_2nzBx2qm+dmCuTnx3R4qXqUiixEG0H36KN5DOvTXPGZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_2UdNmpYUPg_o2JKDDf8r6F-4hwDiio9bbJLA-P-CmDuA@mail.gmail.com>

The fact that you are doing something on a timer sounds to me that this is
acting like a loop. Do you need the timer to occur as frequently as it is?
If you changed it to a larger timer interval does the runtime duration
improve? If you shrink the interval does it deteriorate? That would be your
clue.

>From my non-flammable Note 3,
Bill Benson

On Apr 25, 2017 5:40 PM, "Janet Erbach" <jerbach.db at gmail.com> wrote:

Hello, all.

I deployed a 2007 app today that is supposed to be up and running all the
time.  It's relatively simple - one form bound to a temporary table that is
emptied and refilled every minute on the form timer event.

After about 30 minutes, the app throws a 3014 Error - cannot open any more
tables.

We are running jet 4.0, which is the most current, yes?  If this is truly a
jet related error, there are a couple of things I can do to help optimize
the app - about half the queries in the app are run from saved query defs,
and I can convert all those to sql statements.  I've decompiled and
reinstalled the access database engine, both suggestions that turned up in
a google search.  But beyond these troubleshooting steps, I don't know what
else to do.

Can you please give me some clues on what may be triggering this?  I
haven't seen this error before (that I can remember, anyway) and I have
another app deployed on the shop floor which runs 24/7 and refreshes every
minute without any issues.  Any help is greatly appreciated!

Janet Erbach
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Sat Apr 29 07:06:55 2017
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2017 08:06:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A 97 to A 2010 compile error
In-Reply-To: <00e901d2c064$3e4e30e0$baea92a0$@gmail.com>
References: <00e901d2c064$3e4e30e0$baea92a0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <439A4CBB104E4830860FE9AD90028E25@XPS>

Bob,

  You'll find reference checking got a lot tighter in A2007 and up and some
things that you got away with before you can no longer.  A bang (!)
indicates that what follows is a element of a collection.  A dot (.) means a
property, collection, or method name.  Also there were some changes made
with A2000, which is the addition of default collections, that has an impact
on references.

  If you can learn to do it, you can always use this syntax:

    Set ctl = Forms("frmTest")("txtName")

    before you would do this:

    Set ctl = Forms![frmTest]![txtName]

  Behind the scenes, Access actually translates all your statements to this
format of parentheses and quotes, so if you use it, there is a bit of a
performance edge.

  The above works because the controls collection is the default collection
for a form.   Normally in the past, you would have had to do:

  Set ctl = Forms("frmTest").Controls("txtName")

  I'm still "old school" and use the bang everywhere as even with the ("")
syntax, querydef parameters that refer to form controls is one place where a
bang must be used.   There were a couple of others as well, but I've
forgotten what they were, and I could never keep them all straight, so I
continued to use the bang.

Jim.  

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Heygood
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 05:13 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A 97 to A 2010 compile error

I am converting an app from A 97 to A 2010.
I updated the DAO ref already.
What reference or library am I missing when I get an error :
Compile Error
"Method or Data member not found"
For this line:
txtTerms_ID = rstTerms.[Terms_ID]
.[Terms_ID] is highlighted.


TIA
Bob

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Apr 29 21:43:25 2017
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 12:43:25 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Dan's Decorrupter was Error 3014 Cannot open any more
 tables
In-Reply-To: <BL2PR19MB0801A9516BE01FB9AB1C3D41F6110@BL2PR19MB0801.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CA+bdhCiWLxRaPvDi8-JQXr4WjS5O=S7kpF1FTR6dRnGmeOCtaA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<8E16E03987F1FD4FB0A9BEBF7CC160CB35852A79@HOUEX11.kindermorgan.com>,
	<BL2PR19MB0801A9516BE01FB9AB1C3D41F6110@BL2PR19MB0801.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <59054F4D.27363.4CC7697F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I've posted Dan's Decorrupter for those who want a copy at

http://www.camcopng.com/decorrupter

-- 
Stuart

On 26 Apr 2017 at 21:58, Dan Waters wrote:

> I'll send a copy in the next day or so ...
> 
> Dan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Kaup, Chester Sent: April 26, 2017 16:31 To: 'Access Developers
> discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 3014
> Cannot open any more tables
> 
> How would I get a copy of this "tool"?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Janet Erbach Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 4:26 PM To: Access
> Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error
> 3014 Cannot open any more tables
> 
> [This email message was received from the Internet and came from
> outside of Kinder Morgan]
> 
> 
> You BET it's great!  I've used your tool countless times in the last 3
> years and it's bailed me out of some serious issues 90% of the time! 
> :)  Thank you very much for making that available.
> 
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Dan Waters <df.waters at outlook.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > The DeCorrupter tool?
> >
> > Oooooohhh - now I remember.  Great!
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> > Behalf Of Janet Erbach Sent: April 26, 2017 16:12 To: Access
> > Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD]
> > Error 3014 Cannot open any more tables
> >
> > I cleaned up some open recordsets in the code - I was *not* as clean
> > in my code as I thought I was.  This alone did not correct the
> > issue, though - 30 minutes after launch it hit the 3014 error again.
> >
> > BUT:  I then ran the front end through  Dan Waters' Decorrupter
> > tool, and it ran for over 3 hours without a hitch.  I closed it so
> > that I could upload it to the network and deploy it;  she's running
> > again and I will let 'er run overnight.  We'll see if she's still
> > going come morning.
> >
> > Janet
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 3:24 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > It turns out that any form and any object like a list or combo on
> > > the form also opens a recordset.  Thus this exact problem can be
> > > caused by overly complex forms.  However she expressly says it is
> > > a single "simple" form so that is probably not the issue.  File
> > > sharing locks have nothing to do with the recordsets in a FE
> > > however.  Those locks
> > control access to the BE.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 4/25/2017 6:55 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> > >
> > >> Is there a registry key that can be increased like the 
> > >> MaxLocksPerFile
> > >> hack:
> > >>
> > >> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/815281/-file-sharin
> > >> g-lock-count-exc
> > >> eeded-error-message-during-large-transaction-processing
> > >>
> > >> http://tinyurl.com/l77zk7f
> > >>
> > >> to allow more tables?  Although John's probably right - you
> > >> probably don't need that many tables open.
> > >>
> > >> Can you trap that error and run a few lines of code which would
> > >> list all the open tables? Maybe you could spot the culprit?
> > >>
> > >> R
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> > >> Behalf Of Janet Erbach Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 2:39 PM To:
> > >> Database Advisors Subject: [AccessD] Error 3014 Cannot open any
> > >> more tables
> > >>
> > >> Hello, all.
> > >>
> > >> I deployed a 2007 app today that is supposed to be up and running
> > >> all the time.  It's relatively simple - one form bound to a
> > >> temporary table that is emptied and refilled every minute on the
> > >> form timer event.
> > >>
> > >> After about 30 minutes, the app throws a 3014 Error - cannot open
> > >> any more tables.
> > >>
> > >> We are running jet 4.0, which is the most current, yes?  If this
> > >> is truly a jet related error, there are a couple of things I can
> > >> do to help optimize the app - about half the queries in the app
> > >> are run from saved query defs, and I can convert all those to sql
> > >> statements. I've decompiled and reinstalled the access database
> > >> engine, both suggestions that turned up in a google search.  But
> > >> beyond these troubleshooting steps, I don't know what else to do.
> > >>
> > >> Can you please give me some clues on what may be triggering this?
> > >>  I haven't seen this error before (that I can remember, anyway)
> > >> and I have another app deployed on the shop floor which runs 24/7
> > >> and refreshes every minute without any issues.  Any help is
> > >> greatly appreciated!
> > >>
> > >> Janet Erbach
> > >> --
> > >> AccessD mailing list
> > >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >>
> > >>
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> > >
> > >
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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Sat Apr 29 22:17:42 2017
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 15:17:42 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Switch from Form View to Datasheet View
 crashes.
Message-ID: <000d01d2c160$54c73bd0$fe55b370$@dalyn.co.nz>

Hi Team,

 

I have a form that crashes when I switch from Form View to Datasheet View.

 

It only crashes when I have data in it.

 

The database is a copy of another database (with numerous changes applied
after copying).  The original database doesn't crash.

 

I have commented out all code but it still crashes.  Internet searches don't
seem to come up with anything.

 

Tried decompiling, compacting, repairing, creating a new database and
importing all objects.

 

Any pointers or suggestions?

 

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand

 

 


From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Sat Apr 29 23:00:59 2017
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 16:00:59 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Switch from Form View to Datasheet View
 crashes.
Message-ID: <001201d2c166$609554f0$21bffed0$@dalyn.co.nz>

Hi Team,

 

I have found the problem (but not a solution).

 

It relates to a text box I have in the Form Header.  I have a combobox in
the form header and the text box has the following control source:

 

=Nz([cboPendingOrders].[column](3),"")

 

If I remove the control source then the form doesn't crash.

 

In Form View the data from column 3 shows correctly.

 

I solved it by removing the textbox and showing the data in the Combobox
concatenated with the original data from the combobox.

 

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand

 

 


From bensonforums at gmail.com  Sat Apr 29 23:59:16 2017
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 00:59:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Switch from Form View to Datasheet View
 crashes.
In-Reply-To: <001201d2c166$609554f0$21bffed0$@dalyn.co.nz>
References: <001201d2c166$609554f0$21bffed0$@dalyn.co.nz>
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Perhaps if you can make that form a subform inside another form, you can
control its view through command button or a toggle button

'Air Code
Private Sub CmdToggleView_Click()
With CmdToggleView
     If .Caption = "Form View" then
          DoCmd.Runcommand(acCmdFormView)
        Txt1.Controlsource = "=Nz([cboPendingOrders].[column](3),"")"
        .Caption = "DataSheet View"
    Else
       DoCmd.RunCommand(*acCmdDatasheetView)*
       Txt1 = cboPendingOrders.List(cboPendingOrders.ListIndex),3,"")
 'check syntax, probably I have t wrong
       .Caption = "Form View"
     End If
End With
End Sub

On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 12:00 AM, David Emerson <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz>
wrote:

> Hi Team,
>
>
>
> I have found the problem (but not a solution).
>
>
>
> It relates to a text box I have in the Form Header.  I have a combobox in
> the form header and the text box has the following control source:
>
>
>
> =Nz([cboPendingOrders].[column](3),"")
>
>
>
> If I remove the control source then the form doesn't crash.
>
>
>
> In Form View the data from column 3 shows correctly.
>
>
>
> I solved it by removing the textbox and showing the data in the Combobox
> concatenated with the original data from the combobox.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> David Emerson
> Dalyn Software Ltd
> Wellington, New Zealand
>
>
>
>
>
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Sun Apr 30 00:00:04 2017
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 01:00:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Switch from Form View to Datasheet View
 crashes.
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_2JR4DTP0g8G-Kb6o+wKFGuPsRxPS1Gb9f5XGPU=eDJUA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001201d2c166$609554f0$21bffed0$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<CAJLzs_2JR4DTP0g8G-Kb6o+wKFGuPsRxPS1Gb9f5XGPU=eDJUA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_0erAJJOpqXMghAJae29VxTFgB7YKU+98=zixjesLk4nw@mail.gmail.com>

The command button goes on the parent form.

On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 12:59 AM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Perhaps if you can make that form a subform inside another form, you can
> control its view through command button or a toggle button
>
> 'Air Code
> Private Sub CmdToggleView_Click()
> With CmdToggleView
>      If .Caption = "Form View" then
>           DoCmd.Runcommand(acCmdFormView)
>         Txt1.Controlsource = "=Nz([cboPendingOrders].[column](3),"")"
>         .Caption = "DataSheet View"
>     Else
>        DoCmd.RunCommand(*acCmdDatasheetView)*
>        Txt1 = cboPendingOrders.List(cboPendingOrders.ListIndex),3,"")
>  'check syntax, probably I have t wrong
>        .Caption = "Form View"
>      End If
> End With
> End Sub
>
> On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 12:00 AM, David Emerson <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Team,
>>
>>
>>
>> I have found the problem (but not a solution).
>>
>>
>>
>> It relates to a text box I have in the Form Header.  I have a combobox in
>> the form header and the text box has the following control source:
>>
>>
>>
>> =Nz([cboPendingOrders].[column](3),"")
>>
>>
>>
>> If I remove the control source then the form doesn't crash.
>>
>>
>>
>> In Form View the data from column 3 shows correctly.
>>
>>
>>
>> I solved it by removing the textbox and showing the data in the Combobox
>> concatenated with the original data from the combobox.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> David Emerson
>> Dalyn Software Ltd
>> Wellington, New Zealand
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>

From jimdettman at verizon.net  Sun Apr 30 08:54:21 2017
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 09:54:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Switch from Form View to Datasheet View
 crashes.
In-Reply-To: <001201d2c166$609554f0$21bffed0$@dalyn.co.nz>
References: <001201d2c166$609554f0$21bffed0$@dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <A5786870-275C-4C48-8EC5-51EEEC9AD701@verizon.net>

David,  

Not sure if it'll make a difference or not, but as a general rule song with any programming language you want to be as explicit as possible. So I would try adding Me. To that reference and see if it makes a difference.   If that Doesn't do it I would try doing a save as text and load from text to see if the form is corrupted.   If that doesn't fix it can you do up a simple database that shows the crash? I'll try it in a later Version and if I still get the crash I'll submit it to The Access guys.

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 30, 2017, at 12:00 AM, David Emerson <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz> wrote:
> 
> Hi Team,
> 
> 
> 
> I have found the problem (but not a solution).
> 
> 
> 
> It relates to a text box I have in the Form Header.  I have a combobox in
> the form header and the text box has the following control source:
> 
> 
> 
> =Nz([cboPendingOrders].[column](3),"")
> 
> 
> 
> If I remove the control source then the form doesn't crash.
> 
> 
> 
> In Form View the data from column 3 shows correctly.
> 
> 
> 
> I solved it by removing the textbox and showing the data in the Combobox
> concatenated with the original data from the combobox.
> 
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> David Emerson
> Dalyn Software Ltd
> Wellington, New Zealand
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Sun Apr 30 14:31:23 2017
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 07:31:23 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Switch from Form View to Datasheet View
 crashes.
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_0erAJJOpqXMghAJae29VxTFgB7YKU+98=zixjesLk4nw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001201d2c166$609554f0$21bffed0$@dalyn.co.nz>	<CAJLzs_2JR4DTP0g8G-Kb6o+wKFGuPsRxPS1Gb9f5XGPU=eDJUA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJLzs_0erAJJOpqXMghAJae29VxTFgB7YKU+98=zixjesLk4nw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001201d2c1e8$5a6779f0$0f366dd0$@dalyn.co.nz>

Thanks Bill,

The client is used to using the native toolbars and combining the data so
that it shows in the Combobox is enough to cover their needs.

Regards

David

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Bill Benson
Sent: Sunday, 30 April 2017 5:00 p.m.
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 Switch from Form View to Datasheet View
crashes.

The command button goes on the parent form.

On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 12:59 AM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Perhaps if you can make that form a subform inside another form, you 
> can control its view through command button or a toggle button
>
> 'Air Code
> Private Sub CmdToggleView_Click()
> With CmdToggleView
>      If .Caption = "Form View" then
>           DoCmd.Runcommand(acCmdFormView)
>         Txt1.Controlsource = "=Nz([cboPendingOrders].[column](3),"")"
>         .Caption = "DataSheet View"
>     Else
>        DoCmd.RunCommand(*acCmdDatasheetView)*
>        Txt1 = cboPendingOrders.List(cboPendingOrders.ListIndex),3,"")
>  'check syntax, probably I have t wrong
>        .Caption = "Form View"
>      End If
> End With
> End Sub
>
> On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 12:00 AM, David Emerson <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Team,
>>
>>
>>
>> I have found the problem (but not a solution).
>>
>>
>>
>> It relates to a text box I have in the Form Header.  I have a 
>> combobox in the form header and the text box has the following control
source:
>>
>>
>>
>> =Nz([cboPendingOrders].[column](3),"")
>>
>>
>>
>> If I remove the control source then the form doesn't crash.
>>
>>
>>
>> In Form View the data from column 3 shows correctly.
>>
>>
>>
>> I solved it by removing the textbox and showing the data in the 
>> Combobox concatenated with the original data from the combobox.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> David Emerson
>> Dalyn Software Ltd
>> Wellington, New Zealand
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>
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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Sun Apr 30 14:33:42 2017
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 07:33:42 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Switch from Form View to Datasheet View
 crashes.
In-Reply-To: <A5786870-275C-4C48-8EC5-51EEEC9AD701@verizon.net>
References: <001201d2c166$609554f0$21bffed0$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<A5786870-275C-4C48-8EC5-51EEEC9AD701@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <001301d2c1e8$ad4af570$07e0e050$@dalyn.co.nz>

Thanks Jim,

I'll do some further testing later today.

Regards

David

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Dettman
Sent: Monday, 1 May 2017 1:54 a.m.
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 Switch from Form View to Datasheet View
crashes.

David,  

Not sure if it'll make a difference or not, but as a general rule song with
any programming language you want to be as explicit as possible. So I would
try adding Me. To that reference and see if it makes a difference.   If that
Doesn't do it I would try doing a save as text and load from text to see if
the form is corrupted.   If that doesn't fix it can you do up a simple
database that shows the crash? I'll try it in a later Version and if I still
get the crash I'll submit it to The Access guys.

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 30, 2017, at 12:00 AM, David Emerson <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz> wrote:
> 
> Hi Team,
> 
> 
> 
> I have found the problem (but not a solution).
> 
> 
> 
> It relates to a text box I have in the Form Header.  I have a combobox 
> in the form header and the text box has the following control source:
> 
> 
> 
> =Nz([cboPendingOrders].[column](3),"")
> 
> 
> 
> If I remove the control source then the form doesn't crash.
> 
> 
> 
> In Form View the data from column 3 shows correctly.
> 
> 
> 
> I solved it by removing the textbox and showing the data in the 
> Combobox concatenated with the original data from the combobox.
> 
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> David Emerson
> Dalyn Software Ltd
> Wellington, New Zealand
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
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From accesspro at gmail.com  Sun Apr 30 17:19:00 2017
From: accesspro at gmail.com (Bob Heygood)
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 15:19:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A 97 to A 2010 compile error
In-Reply-To: <439A4CBB104E4830860FE9AD90028E25@XPS>
References: <00e901d2c064$3e4e30e0$baea92a0$@gmail.com>
	<439A4CBB104E4830860FE9AD90028E25@XPS>
Message-ID: <016701d2c1ff$c4f90100$4eeb0300$@gmail.com>

Hello Jim,
Yes I'm pretty old school and not kept up on the latest Access changes.
I must have written that code a long time ago.
Good advice on explicitly stating the hierarchy of elements and their
collections. Gotta say though I really hate to use any parenthesis in my
coding. I was traumatized many times by my errors and grew to dislike them a
lot, especially when concatenating lines.

Thanks again,

Bob


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Dettman
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 5:07 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A 97 to A 2010 compile error

Bob,

  You'll find reference checking got a lot tighter in A2007 and up and some
things that you got away with before you can no longer.  A bang (!)
indicates that what follows is a element of a collection.  A dot (.) means a
property, collection, or method name.  Also there were some changes made
with A2000, which is the addition of default collections, that has an impact
on references.

  If you can learn to do it, you can always use this syntax:

    Set ctl = Forms("frmTest")("txtName")

    before you would do this:

    Set ctl = Forms![frmTest]![txtName]

  Behind the scenes, Access actually translates all your statements to this
format of parentheses and quotes, so if you use it, there is a bit of a
performance edge.

  The above works because the controls collection is the default collection
for a form.   Normally in the past, you would have had to do:

  Set ctl = Forms("frmTest").Controls("txtName")

  I'm still "old school" and use the bang everywhere as even with the ("")
syntax, querydef parameters that refer to form controls is one place where a
bang must be used.   There were a couple of others as well, but I've
forgotten what they were, and I could never keep them all straight, so I
continued to use the bang.

Jim.  

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Heygood
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 05:13 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A 97 to A 2010 compile error

I am converting an app from A 97 to A 2010.
I updated the DAO ref already.
What reference or library am I missing when I get an error :
Compile Error
"Method or Data member not found"
For this line:
txtTerms_ID = rstTerms.[Terms_ID]
.[Terms_ID] is highlighted.


TIA
Bob

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Apr 30 18:27:33 2017
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 01 May 2017 09:27:33 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A 97 to A 2010 compile error
In-Reply-To: <016701d2c1ff$c4f90100$4eeb0300$@gmail.com>
References: <00e901d2c064$3e4e30e0$baea92a0$@gmail.com>,
	<439A4CBB104E4830860FE9AD90028E25@XPS>,
	<016701d2c1ff$c4f90100$4eeb0300$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <590672E5.8365.513A58F3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I really doubt that Forms("frmTest")("txtName")  will be any different to  Forms![frmTest]![txtName]
when it comes to run time performance.

Both will be converted to exactly the same PCode when the VBA  is compiled.
 
-- 
Stuart

On 30 Apr 2017 at 15:19, Bob Heygood wrote:

> Hello Jim,
> Yes I'm pretty old school and not kept up on the latest Access
> changes. I must have written that code a long time ago. Good advice on
> explicitly stating the hierarchy of elements and their collections.
> Gotta say though I really hate to use any parenthesis in my coding. I
> was traumatized many times by my errors and grew to dislike them a
> lot, especially when concatenating lines.
> 
> Thanks again,
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Jim Dettman Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 5:07 AM To: 'Access
> Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] A 97
> to A 2010 compile error
> 
> Bob,
> 
>   You'll find reference checking got a lot tighter in A2007 and up and
>   some
> things that you got away with before you can no longer.  A bang (!)
> indicates that what follows is a element of a collection.  A dot (.)
> means a property, collection, or method name.  Also there were some
> changes made with A2000, which is the addition of default collections,
> that has an impact on references.
> 
>   If you can learn to do it, you can always use this syntax:
> 
>     Set ctl = Forms("frmTest")("txtName")
> 
>     before you would do this:
> 
>     Set ctl = Forms![frmTest]![txtName]
> 
>   Behind the scenes, Access actually translates all your statements to
>   this
> format of parentheses and quotes, so if you use it, there is a bit of
> a performance edge.
> 
>   The above works because the controls collection is the default
>   collection
> for a form.   Normally in the past, you would have had to do:
> 
>   Set ctl = Forms("frmTest").Controls("txtName")
> 
>   I'm still "old school" and use the bang everywhere as even with the
>   ("")
> syntax, querydef parameters that refer to form controls is one place
> where a bang must be used.   There were a couple of others as well,
> but I've forgotten what they were, and I could never keep them all
> straight, so I continued to use the bang.
> 
> Jim.  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Bob Heygood Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 05:13 PM To: 'Access
> Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] A 97 to
> A 2010 compile error
> 
> I am converting an app from A 97 to A 2010.
> I updated the DAO ref already.
> What reference or library am I missing when I get an error :
> Compile Error
> "Method or Data member not found"
> For this line:
> txtTerms_ID = rstTerms.[Terms_ID]
> .[Terms_ID] is highlighted.
> 
> 
> TIA
> Bob
> 
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