From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Jan  1 10:26:32 2017
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 16:26:32 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Google API for address sanitising
Message-ID: <DB6PR0601MB2198EC2F1A1EFE189D8E60AFCA6C0@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Arthur

1: Yes.
2: JSON is nothing but text that describes an object.

For the full info, pass the full text to a JSON parser. If you just want the formatted address, parse the string for that field and read the contents. Split this by the commas into it parts, or simply replace the commas with CRLF to have an address block for, say, to print on an envelope.

Happy New Year to you and all joining AccessD!
Gustav

Fra: Arthur Fuller<mailto:fuller.artful at gmail.com>
Sendt: 31. december 2016 18:10
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Google API for address sanitising

Gustav,

A couple of questions from a stupid person:

1. From your example it appears that the full call is the URL + the address
to sanitize. Given most databases containing addresses, street name, city,
district, postal code and country would all be in separate fields. So is
the correct strategy to assemble a string containing all the pieces and
pass that along with the URL?

2. You say it returns a JSON containing the sanitized address. By "returns"
I'm guessing that I declare a variable, assign the URL and address string
to it; it receives the JSON object as returned. I then replace the commas
with vbCRLF.

Is this correct?

Happy New Year!

/Arthur


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 21:35:44 2017
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 19:35:44 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] wORK
In-Reply-To: <b0c5422b-3046-7dae-d592-b951ab6b8f92@gmail.com>
References: <b0c5422b-3046-7dae-d592-b951ab6b8f92@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met89s7icy+NHzUcd437u3TkodafKcQkGYXoWrtXZfYsVoQ@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know about where you are, but there are plenty of contracting jobs
out here for the State of California.

Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

On Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 6:55 AM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> Does anyone have any Access work they are too busy to get around to?  If
> so email me offline.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> John W. Colby
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From bensonforums at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 23:33:52 2017
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 00:33:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Easy way to play audio files from Access form
In-Reply-To: <e19c7f30-f773-65a2-62c7-d479cebc287a@torchlake.com>
References: <000001d25e3d$4f578f00$ee06ad00$@wowway.com>
	<CAKvidAtuhB2xBe8i7qy2Ave6xrogAaojQ3bjkt+MUFw65Cwnvw@mail.gmail.com>
	<DB6PR0601MB21983B8E272330BD3C212443CA970@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAEPJO1i0skg8FZfUqBLExv1UHndQ2AjePfY0pbxQWqfjmeWacA@mail.gmail.com>
	<e19c7f30-f773-65a2-62c7-d479cebc287a@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_34CJx3zVskS9b4nQxK6TsLwHwTmrrL-WqGXwmd42SbOQ@mail.gmail.com>

Is a hot water bag then really a got water bottle? What's the difference
between a bag and a bottle? Answer is, for me, a bottle has a smaller girth
near it's aperture that a bag. A bag is usually sinched  to reduce the size
of its aperture, a bottle is pre-made with a smaller girth near it's
aperture.

I agree with Arthur unless you can demonstrate to me that the old-fashioned
douche  has an open end that had a smaller girth about its opening.

>From my non-flammable Note 3,
Bill Benson

On Dec 30, 2016 9:22 AM, "Tina Norris Fields" <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
wrote:

> Arthur, speaking from experience, I can tell you that the apparatus used
> to be a rubber bag with a hose.
>
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
> On 12/25/16 12:48 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>
>> It even understands such phrases as "You are a douche-bottle." For those
>> inclined, there is no such thing as a douche-bag. It only comes in
>> bottular
>> form. That aside, one of the most hilarious episodes of NYPD Blue
>> concerned
>> Sipowitz (Denis Franz) teaching his boss's parrot how to say "douchebag",
>> and thereafter, when every collar came in, the parrot would announce his
>> or
>> her presence with "douchebag'..
>>
>> A
>> ?
>>
>
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 23:40:55 2017
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 00:40:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] wORK
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met89s7icy+NHzUcd437u3TkodafKcQkGYXoWrtXZfYsVoQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b0c5422b-3046-7dae-d592-b951ab6b8f92@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met89s7icy+NHzUcd437u3TkodafKcQkGYXoWrtXZfYsVoQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_2GAep813MORjwsKM5aJ=7ZxDSj5ZQTW-9-shjukEW2Wg@mail.gmail.com>

Kinda had me wondering too Charlotte. We keep hearing Access is dead but I
get inquiries from recruiters asking for Access experience every now and
again.

Not an many as I used to, but at least once a month. I think Access legacy
systems ate still commonplace in a lot of places of business, especially
state government in NY.



>From my non-flammable Note 3,
Bill Benson

On Jan 3, 2017 10:38 PM, "Charlotte Foust" <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I don't know about where you are, but there are plenty of contracting jobs
> out here for the State of California.
>
> Charlotte Foust
> (916) 206-4336
>
> On Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 6:55 AM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Does anyone have any Access work they are too busy to get around to?  If
> > so email me offline.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > --
> > John W. Colby
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From wrwehler at gmail.com  Thu Jan  5 21:32:30 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan Wehler)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 21:32:30 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 64 bit app
Message-ID: <E2A6FE3D-00C9-45ED-BBA2-9E2E8E656886@gmail.com>

I wanted to mention for thoroughness sake that LongLong is not necessarily needed to make the API function 64 bit safe. 

References: http://www.jkp-ads.com/articles/apideclarations.asp


I see some LongPtr usually for handles. But most of the Long types stayed simply Long and not set LongLong. 




> The code snip wrapped strangely. Trying again: #If Win64 Then Private Declare PtrSafe Function CreateProcessA Lib "kernel32" ( _ ByVal lpApplicationName As LongLong, _ ByVal lpCommandLine As String, _ ByVal lpProcessAttributes As LongLong, _ ByVal lpThreadAttributes As LongLong, _ ByVal bInheritHandles As LongLong, _ ByVal dwCreationFlags As LongLong, _ ByVal lpEnvironment As LongLong, _ ByVal lpCurrentDirectory As LongLong, _ lpStartupInfo As typStartupInfo, _ lpProcessInformation As typProcInfo) As LongLong #Else Private Declare Function CreateProcessA Lib "kernel32" ( _ ByVal lpApplicationName As Long, _ ByVal lpCommandLine As String, _ ByVal lpProcessAttributes As Long, _ ByVal lpThreadAttributes As Long, _ ByVal bInheritHandles As Long, _ ByVal dwCreationFlags As Long, _ ByVal lpEnvironment As Long, _ ByVal lpCurrentDirectory As Long, _ lpStartupInfo As typStartupInfo, _ lpProcessInformation As typProcInfo) As Long #End If

From wrwehler at gmail.com  Thu Jan  5 21:39:17 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan Wehler)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 21:39:17 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
Message-ID: <EB6C18AE-D1EF-467E-AEB0-E6ACB7E8D12E@gmail.com>

Hello Listers!

Has anyone migrated their app to 64 bit only?

I've recently started migrating from Office 2003 to Office 2013 (what we have licensed). I've been testing and upgrading and learning about ribbons and finding code that doesn't work well under 2013 that worked previously.

The one problem I'm consistently running into is if I have more than a couple forms open I start getting "Resource Limit Exceeded" messages. From what I gather, this is usually the 32 bit Virtual Memory limit (2GB) running 32 bit applications on a 64 bit operating system.

If I run Access 2013 64 bit (In a virtual machine) I can open as many tabs as my heart desires (I opened so many forms up in my app that my tab bar had scroll arrows!) and not a peep about resource problems.

I did some of the stuff suggested out on the web like make sure objects get closed and set to 'nothing' when they aren't needed (which there weren't many places that wasn't happening anyway)... and even tried running msaccess.exe in XP compatibility mode (which was what someone suggested to get around this).

Access 2013 is fully patched and I've tried a number of hot fixes and registry tweaks posted by both MS and other users on the web to no avail as well. 

None of that's worked... so I'm debating moving my users in house (the only place I have to support) to 64 bit Office or Access runtime where applicable. I've already modified all my API calls to to be PtrSafe and kept some compiler constant if/then/else statements in place in case I *HAVE* to run 32 bit somewhere (but then I'll need a way to compile the 32 bit accde file... *sigh*)

In short / TL;DR: Has anyone moved exclusively to 64 bit and what problems did you face and are you happy overall with doing so?

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Jan  5 22:04:50 2017
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2017 14:04:50 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
In-Reply-To: <EB6C18AE-D1EF-467E-AEB0-E6ACB7E8D12E@gmail.com>
References: <EB6C18AE-D1EF-467E-AEB0-E6ACB7E8D12E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <586F1762.19318.38C02EE6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Do you use any external DLLs, ActiveX controls, any Common Controls from MSComCtl and 
MSComCt2  or other AddIns?  If so, you'll need 64 bit replacements.

In addition to PtrSafe, have you also changed  LONG pointers and handles to LONGPTR ?



On 5 Jan 2017 at 21:39, Ryan Wehler wrote:

> Hello Listers!
> 
> Has anyone migrated their app to 64 bit only?
> 
> I've recently started migrating from Office 2003 to Office 2013 (what
> we have licensed). I've been testing and upgrading and learning about
> ribbons and finding code that doesn't work well under 2013 that worked
> previously.
> 
> The one problem I'm consistently running into is if I have more than a
> couple forms open I start getting "Resource Limit Exceeded" messages.
> From what I gather, this is usually the 32 bit Virtual Memory limit
> (2GB) running 32 bit applications on a 64 bit operating system.
> 
> If I run Access 2013 64 bit (In a virtual machine) I can open as many
> tabs as my heart desires (I opened so many forms up in my app that my
> tab bar had scroll arrows!) and not a peep about resource problems.
> 
> I did some of the stuff suggested out on the web like make sure
> objects get closed and set to 'nothing' when they aren't needed (which
> there weren't many places that wasn't happening anyway)... and even
> tried running msaccess.exe in XP compatibility mode (which was what
> someone suggested to get around this).
> 
> Access 2013 is fully patched and I've tried a number of hot fixes and
> registry tweaks posted by both MS and other users on the web to no
> avail as well. 
> 
> None of that's worked... so I'm debating moving my users in house (the
> only place I have to support) to 64 bit Office or Access runtime where
> applicable. I've already modified all my API calls to to be PtrSafe
> and kept some compiler constant if/then/else statements in place in
> case I *HAVE* to run 32 bit somewhere (but then I'll need a way to
> compile the 32 bit accde file... *sigh*)
> 
> In short / TL;DR: Has anyone moved exclusively to 64 bit and what
> problems did you face and are you happy overall with doing so? --
> AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website:
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From wrwehler at gmail.com  Thu Jan  5 22:23:05 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan Wehler)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 22:23:05 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
In-Reply-To: <586F1762.19318.38C02EE6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <EB6C18AE-D1EF-467E-AEB0-E6ACB7E8D12E@gmail.com>
	<586F1762.19318.38C02EE6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <B43E33DD-0AF6-4532-AC20-884EEF687BAB@gmail.com>

I've fixed the API calls to have PtrSafe declarations and handles are LongPtr. These compile fine now. 
No other external dll or activex controls or references that don't make the transition automatically. 






> On Jan 5, 2017, at 10:04 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:
> 
> Do you use any external DLLs, ActiveX controls, any Common Controls from MSComCtl and 
> MSComCt2  or other AddIns?  If so, you'll need 64 bit replacements.
> 
> In addition to PtrSafe, have you also changed  LONG pointers and handles to LONGPTR ?
> 
> 
> 
>> On 5 Jan 2017 at 21:39, Ryan Wehler wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Listers!
>> 
>> Has anyone migrated their app to 64 bit only?
>> 
>> I've recently started migrating from Office 2003 to Office 2013 (what
>> we have licensed). I've been testing and upgrading and learning about
>> ribbons and finding code that doesn't work well under 2013 that worked
>> previously.
>> 
>> The one problem I'm consistently running into is if I have more than a
>> couple forms open I start getting "Resource Limit Exceeded" messages.
>> From what I gather, this is usually the 32 bit Virtual Memory limit
>> (2GB) running 32 bit applications on a 64 bit operating system.
>> 
>> If I run Access 2013 64 bit (In a virtual machine) I can open as many
>> tabs as my heart desires (I opened so many forms up in my app that my
>> tab bar had scroll arrows!) and not a peep about resource problems.
>> 
>> I did some of the stuff suggested out on the web like make sure
>> objects get closed and set to 'nothing' when they aren't needed (which
>> there weren't many places that wasn't happening anyway)... and even
>> tried running msaccess.exe in XP compatibility mode (which was what
>> someone suggested to get around this).
>> 
>> Access 2013 is fully patched and I've tried a number of hot fixes and
>> registry tweaks posted by both MS and other users on the web to no
>> avail as well. 
>> 
>> None of that's worked... so I'm debating moving my users in house (the
>> only place I have to support) to 64 bit Office or Access runtime where
>> applicable. I've already modified all my API calls to to be PtrSafe
>> and kept some compiler constant if/then/else statements in place in
>> case I *HAVE* to run 32 bit somewhere (but then I'll need a way to
>> compile the 32 bit accde file... *sigh*)
>> 
>> In short / TL;DR: Has anyone moved exclusively to 64 bit and what
>> problems did you face and are you happy overall with doing so? --
>> AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website:
>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 00:09:58 2017
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 22:09:58 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
In-Reply-To: <EB6C18AE-D1EF-467E-AEB0-E6ACB7E8D12E@gmail.com>
References: <EB6C18AE-D1EF-467E-AEB0-E6ACB7E8D12E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9Z8WgFkzT8HXU9ya=Oz3LvwTMdJb3830C+Zrd50S+LWA@mail.gmail.com>

IMO that's a pretty poor reason to go to 64-bit Office.  If the design were
better, you wouldn't need a bazillion forms open simultaneously.

Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Ryan Wehler <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Listers!
>
> Has anyone migrated their app to 64 bit only?
>
> I've recently started migrating from Office 2003 to Office 2013 (what we
> have licensed). I've been testing and upgrading and learning about ribbons
> and finding code that doesn't work well under 2013 that worked previously.
>
> The one problem I'm consistently running into is if I have more than a
> couple forms open I start getting "Resource Limit Exceeded" messages. From
> what I gather, this is usually the 32 bit Virtual Memory limit (2GB)
> running 32 bit applications on a 64 bit operating system.
>
> If I run Access 2013 64 bit (In a virtual machine) I can open as many tabs
> as my heart desires (I opened so many forms up in my app that my tab bar
> had scroll arrows!) and not a peep about resource problems.
>
> I did some of the stuff suggested out on the web like make sure objects
> get closed and set to 'nothing' when they aren't needed (which there
> weren't many places that wasn't happening anyway)... and even tried running
> msaccess.exe in XP compatibility mode (which was what someone suggested to
> get around this).
>
> Access 2013 is fully patched and I've tried a number of hot fixes and
> registry tweaks posted by both MS and other users on the web to no avail as
> well.
>
> None of that's worked... so I'm debating moving my users in house (the
> only place I have to support) to 64 bit Office or Access runtime where
> applicable. I've already modified all my API calls to to be PtrSafe and
> kept some compiler constant if/then/else statements in place in case I
> *HAVE* to run 32 bit somewhere (but then I'll need a way to compile the 32
> bit accde file... *sigh*)
>
> In short / TL;DR: Has anyone moved exclusively to 64 bit and what problems
> did you face and are you happy overall with doing so?
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Jan  6 05:52:41 2017
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2017 06:52:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9Z8WgFkzT8HXU9ya=Oz3LvwTMdJb3830C+Zrd50S+LWA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EB6C18AE-D1EF-467E-AEB0-E6ACB7E8D12E@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met9Z8WgFkzT8HXU9ya=Oz3LvwTMdJb3830C+Zrd50S+LWA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C405C110827C41C3803610E78027866E@XPS>


Actually, many forms is not even a good reason.

Nothing in Access for 64 bit is different than the 32 bit version.  All the
internal constraints are still there (like 2048 table ID's).

The only reason to use 64 bit Office is if you need:
1. Very large spreadsheets in Excel
2. Very large projects in MS Project
3. Very large projects in Visio.

 If you don't need that, then there's no reason to use it and a lot of
reasons not to (lack of drivers and 3rd party support).

 Microsoft still recommends 32 bit for just about everyone and
unfortunately, Ryan is on the bleeding edge, because very few are using 64
bit because of the above.

Jim.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 01:10 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?

IMO that's a pretty poor reason to go to 64-bit Office.  If the design were
better, you wouldn't need a bazillion forms open simultaneously.

Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Ryan Wehler <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Listers!
>
> Has anyone migrated their app to 64 bit only?
>
> I've recently started migrating from Office 2003 to Office 2013 (what we
> have licensed). I've been testing and upgrading and learning about ribbons
> and finding code that doesn't work well under 2013 that worked previously.
>
> The one problem I'm consistently running into is if I have more than a
> couple forms open I start getting "Resource Limit Exceeded" messages. From
> what I gather, this is usually the 32 bit Virtual Memory limit (2GB)
> running 32 bit applications on a 64 bit operating system.
>
> If I run Access 2013 64 bit (In a virtual machine) I can open as many tabs
> as my heart desires (I opened so many forms up in my app that my tab bar
> had scroll arrows!) and not a peep about resource problems.
>
> I did some of the stuff suggested out on the web like make sure objects
> get closed and set to 'nothing' when they aren't needed (which there
> weren't many places that wasn't happening anyway)... and even tried
running
> msaccess.exe in XP compatibility mode (which was what someone suggested to
> get around this).
>
> Access 2013 is fully patched and I've tried a number of hot fixes and
> registry tweaks posted by both MS and other users on the web to no avail
as
> well.
>
> None of that's worked... so I'm debating moving my users in house (the
> only place I have to support) to 64 bit Office or Access runtime where
> applicable. I've already modified all my API calls to to be PtrSafe and
> kept some compiler constant if/then/else statements in place in case I
> *HAVE* to run 32 bit somewhere (but then I'll need a way to compile the 32
> bit accde file... *sigh*)
>
> In short / TL;DR: Has anyone moved exclusively to 64 bit and what problems
> did you face and are you happy overall with doing so?
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
-- 
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Jan  6 06:43:02 2017
From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 12:43:02 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
In-Reply-To: <C405C110827C41C3803610E78027866E@XPS>
References: <EB6C18AE-D1EF-467E-AEB0-E6ACB7E8D12E@gmail.com>	<CAH+Met9Z8WgFkzT8HXU9ya=Oz3LvwTMdJb3830C+Zrd50S+LWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<C405C110827C41C3803610E78027866E@XPS>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAO8VDlNCBfdEkctCy61lm0HCgAAAEAAAALc7GeLRf7BNvoTLe2UQWiwBAAAAAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>

I'd start with task manager to monitor the memory usage - all the variants in
the columns you can select
And - sometimes running Performance monitor - from the tab at the bottom of the
performance tab helps see what is happening.

And - as you need 64 bit windows to run 64 bit office, 
Check on the paging and other systems usage of resources. 
They should be a minimal difference between usage in 32 and 64 bit office - 
BUT 64 bit windows does seem to want a more memory for itself than the 32 bit
version, - minimum of 1GB for the 64 bit OS, and then the app gets what's left
after video, cache, and other system allocations.

OK - I have not used 64 bit Access - but the 'theory' should be the same as for
Excel - mostly petty annoyances - once you have recognised them. 
Setup your app for 64 bit mode and use the 64 bit mode references as in dll's
API's and other code - such as the SQL and comms facilities.


JimB


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Dettman
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 11:53 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?


Actually, many forms is not even a good reason.

Nothing in Access for 64 bit is different than the 32 bit version.  All the
internal constraints are still there (like 2048 table ID's).

The only reason to use 64 bit Office is if you need:
1. Very large spreadsheets in Excel
2. Very large projects in MS Project
3. Very large projects in Visio.

 If you don't need that, then there's no reason to use it and a lot of
reasons not to (lack of drivers and 3rd party support).

 Microsoft still recommends 32 bit for just about everyone and
unfortunately, Ryan is on the bleeding edge, because very few are using 64
bit because of the above.

Jim.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 01:10 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?

IMO that's a pretty poor reason to go to 64-bit Office.  If the design were
better, you wouldn't need a bazillion forms open simultaneously.

Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Ryan Wehler <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Listers!
>
> Has anyone migrated their app to 64 bit only?
>
> I've recently started migrating from Office 2003 to Office 2013 (what we
> have licensed). I've been testing and upgrading and learning about ribbons
> and finding code that doesn't work well under 2013 that worked previously.
>
> The one problem I'm consistently running into is if I have more than a
> couple forms open I start getting "Resource Limit Exceeded" messages. From
> what I gather, this is usually the 32 bit Virtual Memory limit (2GB)
> running 32 bit applications on a 64 bit operating system.
>
> If I run Access 2013 64 bit (In a virtual machine) I can open as many tabs
> as my heart desires (I opened so many forms up in my app that my tab bar
> had scroll arrows!) and not a peep about resource problems.
>
> I did some of the stuff suggested out on the web like make sure objects
> get closed and set to 'nothing' when they aren't needed (which there
> weren't many places that wasn't happening anyway)... and even tried
running
> msaccess.exe in XP compatibility mode (which was what someone suggested to
> get around this).
>
> Access 2013 is fully patched and I've tried a number of hot fixes and
> registry tweaks posted by both MS and other users on the web to no avail
as
> well.
>
> None of that's worked... so I'm debating moving my users in house (the
> only place I have to support) to 64 bit Office or Access runtime where
> applicable. I've already modified all my API calls to to be PtrSafe and
> kept some compiler constant if/then/else statements in place in case I
> *HAVE* to run 32 bit somewhere (but then I'll need a way to compile the 32
> bit accde file... *sigh*)
>
> In short / TL;DR: Has anyone moved exclusively to 64 bit and what problems
> did you face and are you happy overall with doing so?
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From wrwehler at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 07:17:03 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan Wehler)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 07:17:03 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
In-Reply-To: <C405C110827C41C3803610E78027866E@XPS>
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	<C405C110827C41C3803610E78027866E@XPS>
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We don't necessarily need a bazillion forms open at once. We are usually working in one at a time but the ability to jump back and forth with tabs is enticing to me and my users. Unfortunately once a few are open and anything complex is attempted I get an out of resources message 

If I monitor virtual memory via access I can see with. Irving but my base form open we are trending on 800MB MEMORY used. Open a few forms and we are at 1.2 GB. By the time we hit 1.4-1.5GB is about when the out of resource messages come piling in. 


Carlotte,

Rather than just blast my design (which had worked just fine up until moving to access 2013) why don't you tell me some "good design principles" you have and I can tell you I probably already follow 90% or more of them. 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 6, 2017, at 5:52 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Actually, many forms is not even a good reason.
> 
> Nothing in Access for 64 bit is different than the 32 bit version.  All the
> internal constraints are still there (like 2048 table ID's).
> 
> The only reason to use 64 bit Office is if you need:
> 1. Very large spreadsheets in Excel
> 2. Very large projects in MS Project
> 3. Very large projects in Visio.
> 
> If you don't need that, then there's no reason to use it and a lot of
> reasons not to (lack of drivers and 3rd party support).
> 
> Microsoft still recommends 32 bit for just about everyone and
> unfortunately, Ryan is on the bleeding edge, because very few are using 64
> bit because of the above.
> 
> Jim.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 01:10 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
> 
> IMO that's a pretty poor reason to go to 64-bit Office.  If the design were
> better, you wouldn't need a bazillion forms open simultaneously.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> (916) 206-4336
> 
>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Ryan Wehler <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Listers!
>> 
>> Has anyone migrated their app to 64 bit only?
>> 
>> I've recently started migrating from Office 2003 to Office 2013 (what we
>> have licensed). I've been testing and upgrading and learning about ribbons
>> and finding code that doesn't work well under 2013 that worked previously.
>> 
>> The one problem I'm consistently running into is if I have more than a
>> couple forms open I start getting "Resource Limit Exceeded" messages. From
>> what I gather, this is usually the 32 bit Virtual Memory limit (2GB)
>> running 32 bit applications on a 64 bit operating system.
>> 
>> If I run Access 2013 64 bit (In a virtual machine) I can open as many tabs
>> as my heart desires (I opened so many forms up in my app that my tab bar
>> had scroll arrows!) and not a peep about resource problems.
>> 
>> I did some of the stuff suggested out on the web like make sure objects
>> get closed and set to 'nothing' when they aren't needed (which there
>> weren't many places that wasn't happening anyway)... and even tried
> running
>> msaccess.exe in XP compatibility mode (which was what someone suggested to
>> get around this).
>> 
>> Access 2013 is fully patched and I've tried a number of hot fixes and
>> registry tweaks posted by both MS and other users on the web to no avail
> as
>> well.
>> 
>> None of that's worked... so I'm debating moving my users in house (the
>> only place I have to support) to 64 bit Office or Access runtime where
>> applicable. I've already modified all my API calls to to be PtrSafe and
>> kept some compiler constant if/then/else statements in place in case I
>> *HAVE* to run 32 bit somewhere (but then I'll need a way to compile the 32
>> bit accde file... *sigh*)
>> 
>> In short / TL;DR: Has anyone moved exclusively to 64 bit and what problems
>> did you face and are you happy overall with doing so?
>> --
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> 
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From wrwehler at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 07:52:05 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan W)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 07:52:05 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
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James, My reply (above) shows I am monitoring with a function inside of
Access that returns the amount of Virtual Memory used by MS Access at the
time.  Unfortunately 32 bit programs on 64 bit OS's are limited to 2GB of
Virtual Memory.  I'm hitting about 1.4-1.5GB used before resource errors
come up. I assume the gap between that number and 2GB is OS/APP overhead.



On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 6:43 AM, James Button <jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk>
wrote:

> I'd start with task manager to monitor the memory usage - all the variants
> in
> the columns you can select
> And - sometimes running Performance monitor - from the tab at the bottom
> of the
> performance tab helps see what is happening.
>
> And - as you need 64 bit windows to run 64 bit office,
> Check on the paging and other systems usage of resources.
> They should be a minimal difference between usage in 32 and 64 bit office -
> BUT 64 bit windows does seem to want a more memory for itself than the 32
> bit
> version, - minimum of 1GB for the 64 bit OS, and then the app gets what's
> left
> after video, cache, and other system allocations.
>
> OK - I have not used 64 bit Access - but the 'theory' should be the same
> as for
> Excel - mostly petty annoyances - once you have recognised them.
> Setup your app for 64 bit mode and use the 64 bit mode references as in
> dll's
> API's and other code - such as the SQL and comms facilities.
>
>
> JimB
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Jim
> Dettman
> Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 11:53 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
>
>
> Actually, many forms is not even a good reason.
>
> Nothing in Access for 64 bit is different than the 32 bit version.  All the
> internal constraints are still there (like 2048 table ID's).
>
> The only reason to use 64 bit Office is if you need:
> 1. Very large spreadsheets in Excel
> 2. Very large projects in MS Project
> 3. Very large projects in Visio.
>
>  If you don't need that, then there's no reason to use it and a lot of
> reasons not to (lack of drivers and 3rd party support).
>
>  Microsoft still recommends 32 bit for just about everyone and
> unfortunately, Ryan is on the bleeding edge, because very few are using 64
> bit because of the above.
>
> Jim.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 01:10 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
>
> IMO that's a pretty poor reason to go to 64-bit Office.  If the design were
> better, you wouldn't need a bazillion forms open simultaneously.
>
> Charlotte Foust
> (916) 206-4336
>
> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Ryan Wehler <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello Listers!
> >
> > Has anyone migrated their app to 64 bit only?
> >
> > I've recently started migrating from Office 2003 to Office 2013 (what we
> > have licensed). I've been testing and upgrading and learning about
> ribbons
> > and finding code that doesn't work well under 2013 that worked
> previously.
> >
> > The one problem I'm consistently running into is if I have more than a
> > couple forms open I start getting "Resource Limit Exceeded" messages.
> From
> > what I gather, this is usually the 32 bit Virtual Memory limit (2GB)
> > running 32 bit applications on a 64 bit operating system.
> >
> > If I run Access 2013 64 bit (In a virtual machine) I can open as many
> tabs
> > as my heart desires (I opened so many forms up in my app that my tab bar
> > had scroll arrows!) and not a peep about resource problems.
> >
> > I did some of the stuff suggested out on the web like make sure objects
> > get closed and set to 'nothing' when they aren't needed (which there
> > weren't many places that wasn't happening anyway)... and even tried
> running
> > msaccess.exe in XP compatibility mode (which was what someone suggested
> to
> > get around this).
> >
> > Access 2013 is fully patched and I've tried a number of hot fixes and
> > registry tweaks posted by both MS and other users on the web to no avail
> as
> > well.
> >
> > None of that's worked... so I'm debating moving my users in house (the
> > only place I have to support) to 64 bit Office or Access runtime where
> > applicable. I've already modified all my API calls to to be PtrSafe and
> > kept some compiler constant if/then/else statements in place in case I
> > *HAVE* to run 32 bit somewhere (but then I'll need a way to compile the
> 32
> > bit accde file... *sigh*)
> >
> > In short / TL;DR: Has anyone moved exclusively to 64 bit and what
> problems
> > did you face and are you happy overall with doing so?
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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From wrwehler at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 07:55:59 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan W)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 07:55:59 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
In-Reply-To: <C405C110827C41C3803610E78027866E@XPS>
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Hi Jim,
  I realize 32 bit is still suggested, but I've hit a wall where it just
doesn't work for us. Between the 4 "primary" (aka most used) forms on the
front end it's quite easy to hit that Virtual Memory wall.  The Main Menu
(switchboard), the Jobs menu (logging in jobs from clients) which can lead
to the reporting menu (which not every one uses but our reporters do). Then
there's the Analytical Menu where all the number crunching is done and QA
overview is done are the ones people are in most of the time.  Then there
are tons of supporting forms with subforms for various tasks related to our
work.

Here are my DB stats:

?currentproject.AllForms.Count
409
?currentproject.AllReports.Count
205
?currentproject.AllModules.Count
33
?currentproject.AllMacros.Count
3
?CurrentDb.TableDefs.Count
626
?CurrentDB.QueryDefs.Count
216


A LOT of those tabledefs are back end (SQL Server). There aren't 409 actual
forms, obviously. Some of my most used forms may have 5-10 subforms on them
so it's easy to see how you could add up to 409 "forms" in the collection.



On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 5:52 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
> Actually, many forms is not even a good reason.
>
> Nothing in Access for 64 bit is different than the 32 bit version.  All the
> internal constraints are still there (like 2048 table ID's).
>
> The only reason to use 64 bit Office is if you need:
> 1. Very large spreadsheets in Excel
> 2. Very large projects in MS Project
> 3. Very large projects in Visio.
>
>  If you don't need that, then there's no reason to use it and a lot of
> reasons not to (lack of drivers and 3rd party support).
>
>  Microsoft still recommends 32 bit for just about everyone and
> unfortunately, Ryan is on the bleeding edge, because very few are using 64
> bit because of the above.
>
> Jim.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 01:10 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
>
> IMO that's a pretty poor reason to go to 64-bit Office.  If the design were
> better, you wouldn't need a bazillion forms open simultaneously.
>
> Charlotte Foust
> (916) 206-4336
>
> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Ryan Wehler <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello Listers!
> >
> > Has anyone migrated their app to 64 bit only?
> >
> > I've recently started migrating from Office 2003 to Office 2013 (what we
> > have licensed). I've been testing and upgrading and learning about
> ribbons
> > and finding code that doesn't work well under 2013 that worked
> previously.
> >
> > The one problem I'm consistently running into is if I have more than a
> > couple forms open I start getting "Resource Limit Exceeded" messages.
> From
> > what I gather, this is usually the 32 bit Virtual Memory limit (2GB)
> > running 32 bit applications on a 64 bit operating system.
> >
> > If I run Access 2013 64 bit (In a virtual machine) I can open as many
> tabs
> > as my heart desires (I opened so many forms up in my app that my tab bar
> > had scroll arrows!) and not a peep about resource problems.
> >
> > I did some of the stuff suggested out on the web like make sure objects
> > get closed and set to 'nothing' when they aren't needed (which there
> > weren't many places that wasn't happening anyway)... and even tried
> running
> > msaccess.exe in XP compatibility mode (which was what someone suggested
> to
> > get around this).
> >
> > Access 2013 is fully patched and I've tried a number of hot fixes and
> > registry tweaks posted by both MS and other users on the web to no avail
> as
> > well.
> >
> > None of that's worked... so I'm debating moving my users in house (the
> > only place I have to support) to 64 bit Office or Access runtime where
> > applicable. I've already modified all my API calls to to be PtrSafe and
> > kept some compiler constant if/then/else statements in place in case I
> > *HAVE* to run 32 bit somewhere (but then I'll need a way to compile the
> 32
> > bit accde file... *sigh*)
> >
> > In short / TL;DR: Has anyone moved exclusively to 64 bit and what
> problems
> > did you face and are you happy overall with doing so?
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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From wrwehler at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 08:28:02 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan W)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 08:28:02 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
In-Reply-To: <CAFXiSd82=d=E3CkLLKbj6P46PsTACZrgLZCB05UXU34TOHT1mg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EB6C18AE-D1EF-467E-AEB0-E6ACB7E8D12E@gmail.com>
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More statistics:

?returnvm


(Reporting module loaded)
1.391 GB of VM used.

(Prepatory form loaded)
1.194 GB of VM used.

(Analytics form loaded)
1.135 GB of VM used.

(Login Form loaded)
1.06 GB of VM used.

(Switchboard Loaded)
0.803 GB of VM used.

(Nothing open but my Access FE (no forms loaded))
0.645 GB of VM used.



With that once I get to the reporting module if I hit "print preview" on
all of my selected reports (7) to print and give to the client I get an out
of resources error.  Those are the most used forms in the entire FE.  It
wouldn't be uncommon for some of our data reviewers to have all of those
open bouncing between them (they used to do it before via hotkeys (Ctrl-R
for Analytical, Ctrl-M for Main, Ctrl-B for Prep, Ctrl-W for Login etc)..
so even though you PREVIOUSLY with Access 2003 you couldn't see a tab, the
same forms were loaded then that are loaded now. The key difference is
Access 2013. It must simply use more memory.

From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Jan  6 08:40:03 2017
From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 14:40:03 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
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Re stats - 
Seems to me that you are not looking at all the available columns under the
details tab
Use View, or right-click on the column headers - and add all -
Then narrow the entries that do not concern you - 

The message (from memory) means that some of the supporting table and controls
areas have exceeded the limit they are allowed.
(I'm guessing here - as I'd need the tech reference etc., but consider if every
one of the tabs and scripts in all the 'stuff' needs to have link and usage
entries in a 64MB area of memory)

That would mean that the actual amount of virtual, or even real memory is
irrelevant - and going 64 bit means double the space within that 64MB are is
used for each memory link, or counter etc.
 

If you are storing data, then that would ( I expect) go within the main pageable
area, along with the not-currently-actively-in-use forms, but the links to them
- private unpageable memory allocation ? would need to have pointers to their
localtion in 'memory'    

Hope the above helps you get at what actions are exceeding the within Access
limits

JimB

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ryan W
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 2:28 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?

More statistics:

?returnvm


(Reporting module loaded)
1.391 GB of VM used.

(Prepatory form loaded)
1.194 GB of VM used.

(Analytics form loaded)
1.135 GB of VM used.

(Login Form loaded)
1.06 GB of VM used.

(Switchboard Loaded)
0.803 GB of VM used.

(Nothing open but my Access FE (no forms loaded))
0.645 GB of VM used.



With that once I get to the reporting module if I hit "print preview" on
all of my selected reports (7) to print and give to the client I get an out
of resources error.  Those are the most used forms in the entire FE.  It
wouldn't be uncommon for some of our data reviewers to have all of those
open bouncing between them (they used to do it before via hotkeys (Ctrl-R
for Analytical, Ctrl-M for Main, Ctrl-B for Prep, Ctrl-W for Login etc)..
so even though you PREVIOUSLY with Access 2003 you couldn't see a tab, the
same forms were loaded then that are loaded now. The key difference is
Access 2013. It must simply use more memory.
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From wrwehler at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 08:46:36 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan W)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 08:46:36 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
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Those stats are for a function I am running within access. Not via ProcMon
or other.

Function ReturnVM() As Double

    Dim Mem As MEMORYSTATUS
    Dim Result As Integer

    Mem.dwLength = Len(Mem)
    GlobalMemoryStatus Mem

    ReturnVM = Format((Mem.dwTotalVirtual - Mem.dwAvailVirtual) /
1073741824, "0.000")

    Debug.Print ReturnVM & " GB of VM used."

End Function

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 8:40 AM, James Button <jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk>
wrote:

> Re stats -
> Seems to me that you are not looking at all the available columns under the
> details tab
> Use View, or right-click on the column headers - and add all -
> Then narrow the entries that do not concern you -
>
> The message (from memory) means that some of the supporting table and
> controls
> areas have exceeded the limit they are allowed.
> (I'm guessing here - as I'd need the tech reference etc., but consider if
> every
> one of the tabs and scripts in all the 'stuff' needs to have link and usage
> entries in a 64MB area of memory)
>
> That would mean that the actual amount of virtual, or even real memory is
> irrelevant - and going 64 bit means double the space within that 64MB are
> is
> used for each memory link, or counter etc.
>
>
> If you are storing data, then that would ( I expect) go within the main
> pageable
> area, along with the not-currently-actively-in-use forms, but the links to
> them
> - private unpageable memory allocation ? would need to have pointers to
> their
> localtion in 'memory'
>
> Hope the above helps you get at what actions are exceeding the within
> Access
> limits
>
> JimB
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Ryan W
> Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 2:28 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
>
> More statistics:
>
> ?returnvm
>
>
> (Reporting module loaded)
> 1.391 GB of VM used.
>
> (Prepatory form loaded)
> 1.194 GB of VM used.
>
> (Analytics form loaded)
> 1.135 GB of VM used.
>
> (Login Form loaded)
> 1.06 GB of VM used.
>
> (Switchboard Loaded)
> 0.803 GB of VM used.
>
> (Nothing open but my Access FE (no forms loaded))
> 0.645 GB of VM used.
>
>
>
> With that once I get to the reporting module if I hit "print preview" on
> all of my selected reports (7) to print and give to the client I get an out
> of resources error.  Those are the most used forms in the entire FE.  It
> wouldn't be uncommon for some of our data reviewers to have all of those
> open bouncing between them (they used to do it before via hotkeys (Ctrl-R
> for Analytical, Ctrl-M for Main, Ctrl-B for Prep, Ctrl-W for Login etc)..
> so even though you PREVIOUSLY with Access 2003 you couldn't see a tab, the
> same forms were loaded then that are loaded now. The key difference is
> Access 2013. It must simply use more memory.
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From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Jan  6 08:56:31 2017
From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 14:56:31 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
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So - Dearest Access - 
Please tell me what is causing you to die??

(or,  for those still suffering from the holiday ..  ..  If you have to ask,
then you really don't care ...) 


You'll need some outside help and supporting detail - as from a monitoring
facility - the built-in to Windows, task manager at least.

JimB


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ryan W
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 2:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?

Those stats are for a function I am running within access. Not via ProcMon
or other.

Function ReturnVM() As Double

    Dim Mem As MEMORYSTATUS
    Dim Result As Integer

    Mem.dwLength = Len(Mem)
    GlobalMemoryStatus Mem

    ReturnVM = Format((Mem.dwTotalVirtual - Mem.dwAvailVirtual) /
1073741824, "0.000")

    Debug.Print ReturnVM & " GB of VM used."

End Function

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 8:40 AM, James Button <jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk>
wrote:

> Re stats -
> Seems to me that you are not looking at all the available columns under the
> details tab
> Use View, or right-click on the column headers - and add all -
> Then narrow the entries that do not concern you -
>
> The message (from memory) means that some of the supporting table and
> controls
> areas have exceeded the limit they are allowed.
> (I'm guessing here - as I'd need the tech reference etc., but consider if
> every
> one of the tabs and scripts in all the 'stuff' needs to have link and usage
> entries in a 64MB area of memory)
>
> That would mean that the actual amount of virtual, or even real memory is
> irrelevant - and going 64 bit means double the space within that 64MB are
> is
> used for each memory link, or counter etc.
>
>
> If you are storing data, then that would ( I expect) go within the main
> pageable
> area, along with the not-currently-actively-in-use forms, but the links to
> them
> - private unpageable memory allocation ? would need to have pointers to
> their
> localtion in 'memory'
>
> Hope the above helps you get at what actions are exceeding the within
> Access
> limits
>
> JimB
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Ryan W
> Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 2:28 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
>
> More statistics:
>
> ?returnvm
>
>
> (Reporting module loaded)
> 1.391 GB of VM used.
>
> (Prepatory form loaded)
> 1.194 GB of VM used.
>
> (Analytics form loaded)
> 1.135 GB of VM used.
>
> (Login Form loaded)
> 1.06 GB of VM used.
>
> (Switchboard Loaded)
> 0.803 GB of VM used.
>
> (Nothing open but my Access FE (no forms loaded))
> 0.645 GB of VM used.
>
>
>
> With that once I get to the reporting module if I hit "print preview" on
> all of my selected reports (7) to print and give to the client I get an out
> of resources error.  Those are the most used forms in the entire FE.  It
> wouldn't be uncommon for some of our data reviewers to have all of those
> open bouncing between them (they used to do it before via hotkeys (Ctrl-R
> for Analytical, Ctrl-M for Main, Ctrl-B for Prep, Ctrl-W for Login etc)..
> so even though you PREVIOUSLY with Access 2003 you couldn't see a tab, the
> same forms were loaded then that are loaded now. The key difference is
> Access 2013. It must simply use more memory.
> --
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From wrwehler at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 09:06:06 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan W)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 09:06:06 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
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	<CAH+Met9Z8WgFkzT8HXU9ya=Oz3LvwTMdJb3830C+Zrd50S+LWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<C405C110827C41C3803610E78027866E@XPS>
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I understand what you're getting at but Neither TaskManager or Perfmon
seems to give me a concise look at the virtual memory allocated by Access
at the present time....

VMMap on the other hand, seems to help but it's not real time. I have to
manually refresh it.

https://i.imgur.com/C0J3I1l.png

As "Private Data" climbs as I open forms.. the total climbs.. once it gets
around 1,500,000K (1.5GB approx) I start getting resource errors.





On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 8:56 AM, James Button <jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk>
wrote:

> So - Dearest Access -
> Please tell me what is causing you to die??
>
> (or,  for those still suffering from the holiday ..  ..  If you have to
> ask,
> then you really don't care ...)
>
>
> You'll need some outside help and supporting detail - as from a monitoring
> facility - the built-in to Windows, task manager at least.
>
> JimB
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Ryan W
> Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 2:47 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
>
> Those stats are for a function I am running within access. Not via ProcMon
> or other.
>
> Function ReturnVM() As Double
>
>     Dim Mem As MEMORYSTATUS
>     Dim Result As Integer
>
>     Mem.dwLength = Len(Mem)
>     GlobalMemoryStatus Mem
>
>     ReturnVM = Format((Mem.dwTotalVirtual - Mem.dwAvailVirtual) /
> 1073741824, "0.000")
>
>     Debug.Print ReturnVM & " GB of VM used."
>
> End Function
>
> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 8:40 AM, James Button <jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Re stats -
> > Seems to me that you are not looking at all the available columns under
> the
> > details tab
> > Use View, or right-click on the column headers - and add all -
> > Then narrow the entries that do not concern you -
> >
> > The message (from memory) means that some of the supporting table and
> > controls
> > areas have exceeded the limit they are allowed.
> > (I'm guessing here - as I'd need the tech reference etc., but consider if
> > every
> > one of the tabs and scripts in all the 'stuff' needs to have link and
> usage
> > entries in a 64MB area of memory)
> >
> > That would mean that the actual amount of virtual, or even real memory is
> > irrelevant - and going 64 bit means double the space within that 64MB are
> > is
> > used for each memory link, or counter etc.
> >
> >
> > If you are storing data, then that would ( I expect) go within the main
> > pageable
> > area, along with the not-currently-actively-in-use forms, but the links
> to
> > them
> > - private unpageable memory allocation ? would need to have pointers to
> > their
> > localtion in 'memory'
> >
> > Hope the above helps you get at what actions are exceeding the within
> > Access
> > limits
> >
> > JimB
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Ryan W
> > Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 2:28 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
> >
> > More statistics:
> >
> > ?returnvm
> >
> >
> > (Reporting module loaded)
> > 1.391 GB of VM used.
> >
> > (Prepatory form loaded)
> > 1.194 GB of VM used.
> >
> > (Analytics form loaded)
> > 1.135 GB of VM used.
> >
> > (Login Form loaded)
> > 1.06 GB of VM used.
> >
> > (Switchboard Loaded)
> > 0.803 GB of VM used.
> >
> > (Nothing open but my Access FE (no forms loaded))
> > 0.645 GB of VM used.
> >
> >
> >
> > With that once I get to the reporting module if I hit "print preview" on
> > all of my selected reports (7) to print and give to the client I get an
> out
> > of resources error.  Those are the most used forms in the entire FE.  It
> > wouldn't be uncommon for some of our data reviewers to have all of those
> > open bouncing between them (they used to do it before via hotkeys (Ctrl-R
> > for Analytical, Ctrl-M for Main, Ctrl-B for Prep, Ctrl-W for Login etc)..
> > so even though you PREVIOUSLY with Access 2003 you couldn't see a tab,
> the
> > same forms were loaded then that are loaded now. The key difference is
> > Access 2013. It must simply use more memory.
> > --
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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> >
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Jan  6 09:20:46 2017
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2017 10:20:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
In-Reply-To: <CAFXiSd82=d=E3CkLLKbj6P46PsTACZrgLZCB05UXU34TOHT1mg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EB6C18AE-D1EF-467E-AEB0-E6ACB7E8D12E@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met9Z8WgFkzT8HXU9ya=Oz3LvwTMdJb3830C+Zrd50S+LWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<C405C110827C41C3803610E78027866E@XPS>
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Message-ID: <EA2CBE897DBA44188F4B54A09163039D@XPS>


 Well it sounds like you need to move to 64 bits then, but in the end that
may or may not help.

 As far as I'm aware, Access still has  all the same internal constraints
that 32 bit does, the biggest of which in this situation is no more than
2048 table ID's at once.   That limits the number of things you can have
open.

 I'm not sure though that's a hard limit as it seems to float a bit.
Sometime you seem to get a little more, sometimes a little less.   I believe
Access uses an internal heap to track table ID's and it uses what available
memory is left to mange that.  On 64 bit, you may get more out of it.

 But as far as who's used 64 bit, there are *very* few (I would say almost
no one), so I don't know that you'll get an answer to your question.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Ryan W
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 08:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?

Hi Jim,
  I realize 32 bit is still suggested, but I've hit a wall where it just
doesn't work for us. Between the 4 "primary" (aka most used) forms on the
front end it's quite easy to hit that Virtual Memory wall.  The Main Menu
(switchboard), the Jobs menu (logging in jobs from clients) which can lead
to the reporting menu (which not every one uses but our reporters do). Then
there's the Analytical Menu where all the number crunching is done and QA
overview is done are the ones people are in most of the time.  Then there
are tons of supporting forms with subforms for various tasks related to our
work.

Here are my DB stats:

?currentproject.AllForms.Count
409
?currentproject.AllReports.Count
205
?currentproject.AllModules.Count
33
?currentproject.AllMacros.Count
3
?CurrentDb.TableDefs.Count
626
?CurrentDB.QueryDefs.Count
216


A LOT of those tabledefs are back end (SQL Server). There aren't 409 actual
forms, obviously. Some of my most used forms may have 5-10 subforms on them
so it's easy to see how you could add up to 409 "forms" in the collection.



On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 5:52 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
> Actually, many forms is not even a good reason.
>
> Nothing in Access for 64 bit is different than the 32 bit version.  All
the
> internal constraints are still there (like 2048 table ID's).
>
> The only reason to use 64 bit Office is if you need:
> 1. Very large spreadsheets in Excel
> 2. Very large projects in MS Project
> 3. Very large projects in Visio.
>
>  If you don't need that, then there's no reason to use it and a lot of
> reasons not to (lack of drivers and 3rd party support).
>
>  Microsoft still recommends 32 bit for just about everyone and
> unfortunately, Ryan is on the bleeding edge, because very few are using 64
> bit because of the above.
>
> Jim.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 01:10 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
>
> IMO that's a pretty poor reason to go to 64-bit Office.  If the design
were
> better, you wouldn't need a bazillion forms open simultaneously.
>
> Charlotte Foust
> (916) 206-4336
>
> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Ryan Wehler <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello Listers!
> >
> > Has anyone migrated their app to 64 bit only?
> >
> > I've recently started migrating from Office 2003 to Office 2013 (what we
> > have licensed). I've been testing and upgrading and learning about
> ribbons
> > and finding code that doesn't work well under 2013 that worked
> previously.
> >
> > The one problem I'm consistently running into is if I have more than a
> > couple forms open I start getting "Resource Limit Exceeded" messages.
> From
> > what I gather, this is usually the 32 bit Virtual Memory limit (2GB)
> > running 32 bit applications on a 64 bit operating system.
> >
> > If I run Access 2013 64 bit (In a virtual machine) I can open as many
> tabs
> > as my heart desires (I opened so many forms up in my app that my tab bar
> > had scroll arrows!) and not a peep about resource problems.
> >
> > I did some of the stuff suggested out on the web like make sure objects
> > get closed and set to 'nothing' when they aren't needed (which there
> > weren't many places that wasn't happening anyway)... and even tried
> running
> > msaccess.exe in XP compatibility mode (which was what someone suggested
> to
> > get around this).
> >
> > Access 2013 is fully patched and I've tried a number of hot fixes and
> > registry tweaks posted by both MS and other users on the web to no avail
> as
> > well.
> >
> > None of that's worked... so I'm debating moving my users in house (the
> > only place I have to support) to 64 bit Office or Access runtime where
> > applicable. I've already modified all my API calls to to be PtrSafe and
> > kept some compiler constant if/then/else statements in place in case I
> > *HAVE* to run 32 bit somewhere (but then I'll need a way to compile the
> 32
> > bit accde file... *sigh*)
> >
> > In short / TL;DR: Has anyone moved exclusively to 64 bit and what
> problems
> > did you face and are you happy overall with doing so?
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From wrwehler at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 09:29:23 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan W)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 09:29:23 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
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Hi Jim,
 I get the internal constraints. The constraint I'm running into the the
allowable usable Virtual Memory of a 32 bit process is 2GB. Once I hit that
wall things crumble.   I don't believe I am hitting 2048 table ID's
limitation (and really, we only need 3 to 4 forms open most of the time) ..
the test in a 64 bit VM with 64 bit Office where I opened so many forms
that my tab area had left/right arrows was just a test that I could
actually *do* that without getting a resources exceeded message (which I
can get readily on my own workstation just opening enough forms).

I was hoping for another solution, as we have workstations here that use
our Access FE that are stuck on a 32 bit OS, which means we will lose
Access there (unless I continue to compile a 32 bit accde file) but then
they have to be wary of how many forms or objects they are working with
(which is the whole point of trying to fix this or move to 64 bit).

 I'm not sure I can get any more mileage out of what we have!  I follow
most of the best practice rules for access.  I close objects and unset
('nothing them') when they are no longer needed.  I don't allow dimensioned
variables to use the default "variant" type but not explicitly declaring
it's type and variants are only used where explicitly set.

  One area I could tweak (with a lot of work) would be unlinking subforms
from the tab control when that tab is not selected.  I do this in some
places but not all (I inherited thiscodebase)... which I am sure would help
some but would require quite a bit of re-work since some tab controls have
multiple (small) subforms on them.

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 09:44:12 2017
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 10:44:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 365 Access web app connectivity question
Message-ID: <005301d26833$baa6f390$2ff4dab0$@gmail.com>

I have an E3 365 subscription, which comes with a SharePoint site. I
currently have a simple Access Web App shared on that site. 

 

I thought I could easily grab data from it using Excel 2016's Get and
Transform feature, but the attempt returns a connection error: Details:
"Microsoft SQL: Cannot open server "ssharkins.onmicrosoft.com" requested by
the login.  The login failed."

 

With just a bit of research I think I'm looking at a connection problem - or
more specifically a firewall setting. It's possible that I need an Azure
Management account, which is free with my sub, I just haven't done it
because I didn't need to. Apparently, I can configure my firewall as needed
using this account. Or, I need to configure the Windows Firewall to allow
the connection locally. In the end, that might not even solve the problem.
Perhaps I can sign in to my 365 account as an admin and flip a switch
somewhere - but I don't know which switch. I looked around but it's a needle
in a haystack for me. Perhaps I need to set a connection in Excel first -
but I haven't been successful doing that either. 

 

I'm no longer running SQL Server, so I don't have that management tool to
work with. 

 

Frankly, I just expected it to work - I didn't expect to have to jump
through any hoops. I have limited networking skills so I don't know what to
do next. I'd rather not waste a lot of time trying to figure that out. 

 

I know most of you aren't using Access Web Apps, but you might be working
with Azure, so I'm hoping someone will have some insight. Thanks for
considering it and I apologize if I'm not asking the right questions. I'm
obviously using the wrong search strings either because all I can find are
SQL Server connection discussions. It's like Excel's Get and Transform
feature doesn't exist within this context. 

 

Susan H. 


From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Jan  6 10:17:28 2017
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 16:17:28 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] 365 Access web app connectivity question
Message-ID: <DB6PR0601MB21984BC4E54F9CB816B8415ACA630@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Susan

I'm not familiar with accessing web apps, but the Azure portal is easy to navigate in - given the enormous variety of services currently offered.

You may need a Virtual Network at Azure:

https://portal.azure.com/#blade/Microsoft_Azure_Marketplace/GalleryFeaturedMenuItemBlade/selectedMenuItemId/Networking_MP

but I'm just guessing from your description.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Susan Harkins
Sendt: 6. januar 2017 16:44
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [AccessD] 365 Access web app connectivity question

I have an E3 365 subscription, which comes with a SharePoint site. I currently have a simple Access Web App shared on that site. 

 

I thought I could easily grab data from it using Excel 2016's Get and Transform feature, but the attempt returns a connection error: Details:
"Microsoft SQL: Cannot open server "ssharkins.onmicrosoft.com" requested by the login.  The login failed."

 

With just a bit of research I think I'm looking at a connection problem - or more specifically a firewall setting. It's possible that I need an Azure Management account, which is free with my sub, I just haven't done it because I didn't need to. Apparently, I can configure my firewall as needed using this account. Or, I need to configure the Windows Firewall to allow the connection locally. In the end, that might not even solve the problem.
Perhaps I can sign in to my 365 account as an admin and flip a switch somewhere - but I don't know which switch. I looked around but it's a needle in a haystack for me. Perhaps I need to set a connection in Excel first - but I haven't been successful doing that either. 

 

I'm no longer running SQL Server, so I don't have that management tool to work with. 

 

Frankly, I just expected it to work - I didn't expect to have to jump through any hoops. I have limited networking skills so I don't know what to do next. I'd rather not waste a lot of time trying to figure that out. 

 

I know most of you aren't using Access Web Apps, but you might be working with Azure, so I'm hoping someone will have some insight. Thanks for considering it and I apologize if I'm not asking the right questions. I'm obviously using the wrong search strings either because all I can find are SQL Server connection discussions. It's like Excel's Get and Transform feature doesn't exist within this context. 

 

Susan H. 


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Jan  6 10:36:54 2017
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2017 11:36:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 365 Access web app connectivity question
In-Reply-To: <005301d26833$baa6f390$2ff4dab0$@gmail.com>
References: <005301d26833$baa6f390$2ff4dab0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FE10A67EBC4E4F0A860338E3ACD5E3EE@XPS>

See if this helps:

https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/the_microsoft_access_support_team_blog/2
014/03/24/how-to-make-external-connections-to-an-access-web-app/

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 10:44 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] 365 Access web app connectivity question

I have an E3 365 subscription, which comes with a SharePoint site. I
currently have a simple Access Web App shared on that site. 

 

I thought I could easily grab data from it using Excel 2016's Get and
Transform feature, but the attempt returns a connection error: Details:
"Microsoft SQL: Cannot open server "ssharkins.onmicrosoft.com" requested by
the login.  The login failed."

 

With just a bit of research I think I'm looking at a connection problem - or
more specifically a firewall setting. It's possible that I need an Azure
Management account, which is free with my sub, I just haven't done it
because I didn't need to. Apparently, I can configure my firewall as needed
using this account. Or, I need to configure the Windows Firewall to allow
the connection locally. In the end, that might not even solve the problem.
Perhaps I can sign in to my 365 account as an admin and flip a switch
somewhere - but I don't know which switch. I looked around but it's a needle
in a haystack for me. Perhaps I need to set a connection in Excel first -
but I haven't been successful doing that either. 

 

I'm no longer running SQL Server, so I don't have that management tool to
work with. 

 

Frankly, I just expected it to work - I didn't expect to have to jump
through any hoops. I have limited networking skills so I don't know what to
do next. I'd rather not waste a lot of time trying to figure that out. 

 

I know most of you aren't using Access Web Apps, but you might be working
with Azure, so I'm hoping someone will have some insight. Thanks for
considering it and I apologize if I'm not asking the right questions. I'm
obviously using the wrong search strings either because all I can find are
SQL Server connection discussions. It's like Excel's Get and Transform
feature doesn't exist within this context. 

 

Susan H. 

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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Jan  6 10:42:58 2017
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2017 11:42:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 365 Access web app connectivity question
In-Reply-To: <FE10A67EBC4E4F0A860338E3ACD5E3EE@XPS>
References: <005301d26833$baa6f390$2ff4dab0$@gmail.com>
	<FE10A67EBC4E4F0A860338E3ACD5E3EE@XPS>
Message-ID: <A1A08FA27852487A9DF52692EECD883A@XPS>


 Sorry Susan, I should have read your note a bit closer.

 I'm not sure what I posted would really help at all.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Dettman
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 11:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] 365 Access web app connectivity question

See if this helps:

https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/the_microsoft_access_support_team_blog/2
014/03/24/how-to-make-external-connections-to-an-access-web-app/

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 10:44 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] 365 Access web app connectivity question

I have an E3 365 subscription, which comes with a SharePoint site. I
currently have a simple Access Web App shared on that site. 

 

I thought I could easily grab data from it using Excel 2016's Get and
Transform feature, but the attempt returns a connection error: Details:
"Microsoft SQL: Cannot open server "ssharkins.onmicrosoft.com" requested by
the login.  The login failed."

 

With just a bit of research I think I'm looking at a connection problem - or
more specifically a firewall setting. It's possible that I need an Azure
Management account, which is free with my sub, I just haven't done it
because I didn't need to. Apparently, I can configure my firewall as needed
using this account. Or, I need to configure the Windows Firewall to allow
the connection locally. In the end, that might not even solve the problem.
Perhaps I can sign in to my 365 account as an admin and flip a switch
somewhere - but I don't know which switch. I looked around but it's a needle
in a haystack for me. Perhaps I need to set a connection in Excel first -
but I haven't been successful doing that either. 

 

I'm no longer running SQL Server, so I don't have that management tool to
work with. 

 

Frankly, I just expected it to work - I didn't expect to have to jump
through any hoops. I have limited networking skills so I don't know what to
do next. I'd rather not waste a lot of time trying to figure that out. 

 

I know most of you aren't using Access Web Apps, but you might be working
with Azure, so I'm hoping someone will have some insight. Thanks for
considering it and I apologize if I'm not asking the right questions. I'm
obviously using the wrong search strings either because all I can find are
SQL Server connection discussions. It's like Excel's Get and Transform
feature doesn't exist within this context. 

 

Susan H. 

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From martinreid at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 10:50:58 2017
From: martinreid at gmail.com (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 16:50:58 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] 365 Access web app connectivity question
In-Reply-To: <FE10A67EBC4E4F0A860338E3ACD5E3EE@XPS>
References: <005301d26833$baa6f390$2ff4dab0$@gmail.com>
	<FE10A67EBC4E4F0A860338E3ACD5E3EE@XPS>
Message-ID: <586fcafb.42061c0a.18fe5.7df2@mx.google.com>

https://blogs.office.com/2013/01/22/visualize-your-access-2013-web-app-data-in-excel/

-----Original Message-----
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
Sent: ?06/?01/?2017 16:37
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] 365 Access web app connectivity question

See if this helps:

https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/the_microsoft_access_support_team_blog/2
014/03/24/how-to-make-external-connections-to-an-access-web-app/

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 10:44 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] 365 Access web app connectivity question

I have an E3 365 subscription, which comes with a SharePoint site. I
currently have a simple Access Web App shared on that site. 

 

I thought I could easily grab data from it using Excel 2016's Get and
Transform feature, but the attempt returns a connection error: Details:
"Microsoft SQL: Cannot open server "ssharkins.onmicrosoft.com" requested by
the login.  The login failed."

 

With just a bit of research I think I'm looking at a connection problem - or
more specifically a firewall setting. It's possible that I need an Azure
Management account, which is free with my sub, I just haven't done it
because I didn't need to. Apparently, I can configure my firewall as needed
using this account. Or, I need to configure the Windows Firewall to allow
the connection locally. In the end, that might not even solve the problem.
Perhaps I can sign in to my 365 account as an admin and flip a switch
somewhere - but I don't know which switch. I looked around but it's a needle
in a haystack for me. Perhaps I need to set a connection in Excel first -
but I haven't been successful doing that either. 

 

I'm no longer running SQL Server, so I don't have that management tool to
work with. 

 

Frankly, I just expected it to work - I didn't expect to have to jump
through any hoops. I have limited networking skills so I don't know what to
do next. I'd rather not waste a lot of time trying to figure that out. 

 

I know most of you aren't using Access Web Apps, but you might be working
with Azure, so I'm hoping someone will have some insight. Thanks for
considering it and I apologize if I'm not asking the right questions. I'm
obviously using the wrong search strings either because all I can find are
SQL Server connection discussions. It's like Excel's Get and Transform
feature doesn't exist within this context. 

 

Susan H. 

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 11:06:00 2017
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 12:06:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 365 Access web app connectivity question
In-Reply-To: <DB6PR0601MB21984BC4E54F9CB816B8415ACA630@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DB6PR0601MB21984BC4E54F9CB816B8415ACA630@DB6PR0601MB2198.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <001c01d2683f$2873ed00$795bc700$@gmail.com>

<https://blogs.office.com/2013/01/22/visualize-your-access-2013-web-app-data
-in-excel/>

Apparently, it doesn't take hoops but you do need to know what options to
enable.

Susan H. 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 11:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] 365 Access web app connectivity question

Hi Susan

I'm not familiar with accessing web apps, but the Azure portal is easy to
navigate in - given the enormous variety of services currently offered.

You may need a Virtual Network at Azure:

https://portal.azure.com/#blade/Microsoft_Azure_Marketplace/GalleryFeaturedM
enuItemBlade/selectedMenuItemId/Networking_MP

but I'm just guessing from your description.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Susan
Harkins
Sendt: 6. januar 2017 16:44
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [AccessD] 365 Access web app connectivity question

I have an E3 365 subscription, which comes with a SharePoint site. I
currently have a simple Access Web App shared on that site. 

 

I thought I could easily grab data from it using Excel 2016's Get and
Transform feature, but the attempt returns a connection error: Details:
"Microsoft SQL: Cannot open server "ssharkins.onmicrosoft.com" requested by
the login.  The login failed."

 

With just a bit of research I think I'm looking at a connection problem - or
more specifically a firewall setting. It's possible that I need an Azure
Management account, which is free with my sub, I just haven't done it
because I didn't need to. Apparently, I can configure my firewall as needed
using this account. Or, I need to configure the Windows Firewall to allow
the connection locally. In the end, that might not even solve the problem.
Perhaps I can sign in to my 365 account as an admin and flip a switch
somewhere - but I don't know which switch. I looked around but it's a needle
in a haystack for me. Perhaps I need to set a connection in Excel first -
but I haven't been successful doing that either. 

 

I'm no longer running SQL Server, so I don't have that management tool to
work with. 

 

Frankly, I just expected it to work - I didn't expect to have to jump
through any hoops. I have limited networking skills so I don't know what to
do next. I'd rather not waste a lot of time trying to figure that out. 

 

I know most of you aren't using Access Web Apps, but you might be working
with Azure, so I'm hoping someone will have some insight. Thanks for
considering it and I apologize if I'm not asking the right questions. I'm
obviously using the wrong search strings either because all I can find are
SQL Server connection discussions. It's like Excel's Get and Transform
feature doesn't exist within this context. 

 

Susan H. 

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From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Jan  6 11:47:39 2017
From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 17:47:39 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
In-Reply-To: <CAFXiSd--ZC9Y8gYBe1TrJzbPaS-xb4VzJTiB8SQuSm-bt-tKXg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EB6C18AE-D1EF-467E-AEB0-E6ACB7E8D12E@gmail.com>	<CAH+Met9Z8WgFkzT8HXU9ya=Oz3LvwTMdJb3830C+Zrd50S+LWA@mail.gmail.com>	<C405C110827C41C3803610E78027866E@XPS>	<CAFXiSd82=d=E3CkLLKbj6P46PsTACZrgLZCB05UXU34TOHT1mg@mail.gmail.com>	<EA2CBE897DBA44188F4B54A09163039D@XPS>
	<CAFXiSd--ZC9Y8gYBe1TrJzbPaS-xb4VzJTiB8SQuSm-bt-tKXg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAO8VDlNCBfdEkctCy61lm0HCgAAAEAAAAJdefPK+VZ1Ghg7T6/VA6AEBAAAAAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>

Crude - and maybe cruel to the dev and maintenance staff
But would it be possible to split the FE into 2 separate activity groups 

JimB

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ryan W
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 3:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?

Hi Jim,
 I get the internal constraints. The constraint I'm running into the the
allowable usable Virtual Memory of a 32 bit process is 2GB. Once I hit that
wall things crumble.   I don't believe I am hitting 2048 table ID's
limitation (and really, we only need 3 to 4 forms open most of the time) ..
the test in a 64 bit VM with 64 bit Office where I opened so many forms
that my tab area had left/right arrows was just a test that I could
actually *do* that without getting a resources exceeded message (which I
can get readily on my own workstation just opening enough forms).

I was hoping for another solution, as we have workstations here that use
our Access FE that are stuck on a 32 bit OS, which means we will lose
Access there (unless I continue to compile a 32 bit accde file) but then
they have to be wary of how many forms or objects they are working with
(which is the whole point of trying to fix this or move to 64 bit).

 I'm not sure I can get any more mileage out of what we have!  I follow
most of the best practice rules for access.  I close objects and unset
('nothing them') when they are no longer needed.  I don't allow dimensioned
variables to use the default "variant" type but not explicitly declaring
it's type and variants are only used where explicitly set.

  One area I could tweak (with a lot of work) would be unlinking subforms
from the tab control when that tab is not selected.  I do this in some
places but not all (I inherited thiscodebase)... which I am sure would help
some but would require quite a bit of re-work since some tab controls have
multiple (small) subforms on them.
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From wrwehler at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 13:22:20 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan W)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 13:22:20 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAO8VDlNCBfdEkctCy61lm0HCgAAAEAAAAJdefPK+VZ1Ghg7T6/VA6AEBAAAAAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <EB6C18AE-D1EF-467E-AEB0-E6ACB7E8D12E@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met9Z8WgFkzT8HXU9ya=Oz3LvwTMdJb3830C+Zrd50S+LWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<C405C110827C41C3803610E78027866E@XPS>
	<CAFXiSd82=d=E3CkLLKbj6P46PsTACZrgLZCB05UXU34TOHT1mg@mail.gmail.com>
	<EA2CBE897DBA44188F4B54A09163039D@XPS>
	<CAFXiSd--ZC9Y8gYBe1TrJzbPaS-xb4VzJTiB8SQuSm-bt-tKXg@mail.gmail.com>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAO8VDlNCBfdEkctCy61lm0HCgAAAEAAAAJdefPK+VZ1Ghg7T6/VA6AEBAAAAAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CAFXiSd_kBOX1BVhnagEc7cYQi45d4HZO5TiS2RoLSQN4_6Vm9w@mail.gmail.com>

I think I'm going to try dynamically unlinking subforms from their
controls.  For the couple of the bigger forms I've made the tab control
link/unlink on change I've saved almost 200MB off my Heap and Private data
has another 70MB saved so far.

I went from 1.3GB used (with these three forms open) to 1.099GB used.

Now if I can figure out how to use a Select Case with an array so I can
'exclude' certain subforms from unlinking.....

 Select Case LBound(MyArray) to UBound(MyArray) sadly doesn't work... but
Select Case MyArray(0),MyArray(1) .. etc does. But that doesn't lend itself
to be dynamic.


On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 11:47 AM, James Button <jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk>
wrote:

> Crude - and maybe cruel to the dev and maintenance staff
> But would it be possible to split the FE into 2 separate activity groups
>
> JimB
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Ryan W
> Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 3:29 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
>
> Hi Jim,
>  I get the internal constraints. The constraint I'm running into the the
> allowable usable Virtual Memory of a 32 bit process is 2GB. Once I hit that
> wall things crumble.   I don't believe I am hitting 2048 table ID's
> limitation (and really, we only need 3 to 4 forms open most of the time) ..
> the test in a 64 bit VM with 64 bit Office where I opened so many forms
> that my tab area had left/right arrows was just a test that I could
> actually *do* that without getting a resources exceeded message (which I
> can get readily on my own workstation just opening enough forms).
>
> I was hoping for another solution, as we have workstations here that use
> our Access FE that are stuck on a 32 bit OS, which means we will lose
> Access there (unless I continue to compile a 32 bit accde file) but then
> they have to be wary of how many forms or objects they are working with
> (which is the whole point of trying to fix this or move to 64 bit).
>
>  I'm not sure I can get any more mileage out of what we have!  I follow
> most of the best practice rules for access.  I close objects and unset
> ('nothing them') when they are no longer needed.  I don't allow dimensioned
> variables to use the default "variant" type but not explicitly declaring
> it's type and variants are only used where explicitly set.
>
>   One area I could tweak (with a lot of work) would be unlinking subforms
> from the tab control when that tab is not selected.  I do this in some
> places but not all (I inherited thiscodebase)... which I am sure would help
> some but would require quite a bit of re-work since some tab controls have
> multiple (small) subforms on them.
> --
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>
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From wrwehler at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 15:48:08 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan W)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 15:48:08 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
In-Reply-To: <CAFXiSd_kBOX1BVhnagEc7cYQi45d4HZO5TiS2RoLSQN4_6Vm9w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EB6C18AE-D1EF-467E-AEB0-E6ACB7E8D12E@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met9Z8WgFkzT8HXU9ya=Oz3LvwTMdJb3830C+Zrd50S+LWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<C405C110827C41C3803610E78027866E@XPS>
	<CAFXiSd82=d=E3CkLLKbj6P46PsTACZrgLZCB05UXU34TOHT1mg@mail.gmail.com>
	<EA2CBE897DBA44188F4B54A09163039D@XPS>
	<CAFXiSd--ZC9Y8gYBe1TrJzbPaS-xb4VzJTiB8SQuSm-bt-tKXg@mail.gmail.com>
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Well good news. I took some of my most used forms and wrote a bit of logic
to clear out subform links when the tabs change.  I can now get much
"deeper" into the front end before I get a system resource message.
Probably deep enough it would really be an edge case at this point.

So that's nice.

Here's what I ended up calling to unlink all the subforms not in the
MyArray variant:

Public Sub UnlinkSubforms(MyFrm As Form, Optional MyArray As Variant = Null)
On Error GoTo UnlinkSubforms_Error

    Dim ctl As control, i As Integer

        For Each ctl In MyFrm.Controls
            Do
                Select Case ctl.ControlType
                    Case acSubform
                        'if array is null nothing was excluded
                        If Not IsNull(MyArray) Then
                            'loop through array
                            For i = 0 To Nz(UBound(MyArray), 0)
                                If ctl.Name = MyArray(i) Then
                                    Exit Do
                                End If
                            Next i
                        End If

                        'Set SourceObject empty if it's not empty
                        If ctl.SourceObject <> "" Then
                            ctl.SourceObject = ""
                            Debug.Print ctl.Name & " deactivated"
                        End If
                End Select
            Loop While False 'quit after one loop
        Next ctl


UnlinkSubforms_Exit:
    On Error GoTo 0
    Exit Sub

UnlinkSubforms_Error:
    MsgBox "Error " & Err.number & " (" & Err.Description & ") in procedure
UnlinkSubforms of Module FormAdjustments"
    Resume UnlinkSubforms_Exit

End Sub



So I run Call UnLinkSubForms(Me) to unlink them all. If I have one that
needs to stay "alive" due to another object depending on it being there I
change that to UnlinkSubForms(Me,Array("mySubFormName")).... or I can add
multiple subform names comma delimited.

I then use a select case after I unlink all the forms to relink the
subforms on the tab I want.

If I had to do it all over again from scratch I would make one subform for
the entire tabcontrol and then my actual linked subforms would be "all in
one" pages so I don't have to unlink multiple objects per tab, but just the
"parent" subform name.



On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:22 PM, Ryan W <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think I'm going to try dynamically unlinking subforms from their
> controls.  For the couple of the bigger forms I've made the tab control
> link/unlink on change I've saved almost 200MB off my Heap and Private data
> has another 70MB saved so far.
>
> I went from 1.3GB used (with these three forms open) to 1.099GB used.
>
> Now if I can figure out how to use a Select Case with an array so I can
> 'exclude' certain subforms from unlinking.....
>
>  Select Case LBound(MyArray) to UBound(MyArray) sadly doesn't work... but
> Select Case MyArray(0),MyArray(1) .. etc does. But that doesn't lend itself
> to be dynamic.
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 11:47 AM, James Button <
> jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Crude - and maybe cruel to the dev and maintenance staff
>> But would it be possible to split the FE into 2 separate activity groups
>>
>> JimB
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> Ryan W
>> Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 3:29 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
>>
>> Hi Jim,
>>  I get the internal constraints. The constraint I'm running into the the
>> allowable usable Virtual Memory of a 32 bit process is 2GB. Once I hit
>> that
>> wall things crumble.   I don't believe I am hitting 2048 table ID's
>> limitation (and really, we only need 3 to 4 forms open most of the time)
>> ..
>> the test in a 64 bit VM with 64 bit Office where I opened so many forms
>> that my tab area had left/right arrows was just a test that I could
>> actually *do* that without getting a resources exceeded message (which I
>> can get readily on my own workstation just opening enough forms).
>>
>> I was hoping for another solution, as we have workstations here that use
>> our Access FE that are stuck on a 32 bit OS, which means we will lose
>> Access there (unless I continue to compile a 32 bit accde file) but then
>> they have to be wary of how many forms or objects they are working with
>> (which is the whole point of trying to fix this or move to 64 bit).
>>
>>  I'm not sure I can get any more mileage out of what we have!  I follow
>> most of the best practice rules for access.  I close objects and unset
>> ('nothing them') when they are no longer needed.  I don't allow
>> dimensioned
>> variables to use the default "variant" type but not explicitly declaring
>> it's type and variants are only used where explicitly set.
>>
>>   One area I could tweak (with a lot of work) would be unlinking subforms
>> from the tab control when that tab is not selected.  I do this in some
>> places but not all (I inherited thiscodebase)... which I am sure would
>> help
>> some but would require quite a bit of re-work since some tab controls have
>> multiple (small) subforms on them.
>> --
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>

From wrwehler at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 15:52:18 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan W)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 15:52:18 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
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Oh. I should have added. The reason I don't have them unlinked to start
with is because then it makes it harder for me to remember what subform
goes to a control if I need to redesign it. At least right now I can just
right click the subform control and do "subform in new window" and do some
modification to it.

I may use the tag field to hold the sourceobject name so I can permanently
unlink them (so I don't have to unlink dozens of controls on a form the
first run) and that way if I need to redesign it at least the control tag
tells me what form to go look for and edit.

From jwcolby at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 17:17:32 2017
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 18:17:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
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Ryan,

I did what I referred to as "JIT subforms", i.e. linking the subforms 
when the tab was clicked on.  I used a class (of course) to manage it.  
The event on the tab triggered a method in the loaded class to link the 
suvbform.  When the user moves off the tab, the subform is unlinked.  Of 
course you end up with situations where you need specific forms to 
remain linked once the tab is clicked, typically subforms that are used 
often and require a long time to load once linked.

IIRC I used SysVars to store the names of the subforms that would remain 
loaded.

It took a bit of dev work but once working it worked quite well.

jwcolby

On 1/6/2017 9:28 AM, Ryan W wrote:
> More statistics:
>
> ?returnvm
>
>
> (Reporting module loaded)
> 1.391 GB of VM used.
>
> (Prepatory form loaded)
> 1.194 GB of VM used.
>
> (Analytics form loaded)
> 1.135 GB of VM used.
>
> (Login Form loaded)
> 1.06 GB of VM used.
>
> (Switchboard Loaded)
> 0.803 GB of VM used.
>
> (Nothing open but my Access FE (no forms loaded))
> 0.645 GB of VM used.
>
>
>
> With that once I get to the reporting module if I hit "print preview" on
> all of my selected reports (7) to print and give to the client I get an out
> of resources error.  Those are the most used forms in the entire FE.  It
> wouldn't be uncommon for some of our data reviewers to have all of those
> open bouncing between them (they used to do it before via hotkeys (Ctrl-R
> for Analytical, Ctrl-M for Main, Ctrl-B for Prep, Ctrl-W for Login etc)..
> so even though you PREVIOUSLY with Access 2003 you couldn't see a tab, the
> same forms were loaded then that are loaded now. The key difference is
> Access 2013. It must simply use more memory.

-- 
John W. Colby


From wrwehler at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 17:26:30 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan Wehler)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 17:26:30 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
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John,

  That's more or less what I ended up doing today. :) it probably needs some fine tuning though. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 6, 2017, at 5:17 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Ryan,
> 
> I did what I referred to as "JIT subforms", i.e. linking the subforms when the tab was clicked on.  I used a class (of course) to manage it.  The event on the tab triggered a method in the loaded class to link the suvbform.  When the user moves off the tab, the subform is unlinked.  Of course you end up with situations where you need specific forms to remain linked once the tab is clicked, typically subforms that are used often and require a long time to load once linked.
> 
> IIRC I used SysVars to store the names of the subforms that would remain loaded.
> 
> It took a bit of dev work but once working it worked quite well.
> 
> jwcolby
> 
>> On 1/6/2017 9:28 AM, Ryan W wrote:
>> More statistics:
>> 
>> ?returnvm
>> 
>> 
>> (Reporting module loaded)
>> 1.391 GB of VM used.
>> 
>> (Prepatory form loaded)
>> 1.194 GB of VM used.
>> 
>> (Analytics form loaded)
>> 1.135 GB of VM used.
>> 
>> (Login Form loaded)
>> 1.06 GB of VM used.
>> 
>> (Switchboard Loaded)
>> 0.803 GB of VM used.
>> 
>> (Nothing open but my Access FE (no forms loaded))
>> 0.645 GB of VM used.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> With that once I get to the reporting module if I hit "print preview" on
>> all of my selected reports (7) to print and give to the client I get an out
>> of resources error.  Those are the most used forms in the entire FE.  It
>> wouldn't be uncommon for some of our data reviewers to have all of those
>> open bouncing between them (they used to do it before via hotkeys (Ctrl-R
>> for Analytical, Ctrl-M for Main, Ctrl-B for Prep, Ctrl-W for Login etc)..
>> so even though you PREVIOUSLY with Access 2003 you couldn't see a tab, the
>> same forms were loaded then that are loaded now. The key difference is
>> Access 2013. It must simply use more memory.
> 
> -- 
> John W. Colby
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 17:55:18 2017
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 18:55:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
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Ryan, think about using a table to store the subform control name / 
subform name and other link info.  This allows it to be "table driven", 
one of my favorite concepts.  You have a place to go to see what 
subforms are linked to what subform controls.  Then you can use a 
collection to load the table into class instances one time as the app 
opens, one instance for each record, thus "caching" that info for 
instantaneous usage.  IIRC you can store objects in the collection using 
a name so that you can index directly into the correct record when needed.

If you use classes this stuff is much easier.  The classes contain the 
code to do the linking / unlinking, loading the data from the table etc.

You would need a tab class (to sink the events generated by clicks or 
focus), a subform control class to hold the subform name and link data, 
and a collection class to load all that table stuff into.

As a main form with tabs loads, it will load a tab class for each tab.  
The tab class would load a subform control class for the embedded 
subform control.  The subform control class would go get it's link 
info.  Then as the user clicks or otherwise causes a tab to get the 
focus the event would call into the subform control class to tell it to 
load the subform and link it up.  As it loses the focus, it calls back 
into the class to tell it to unload.

I did all this stuff in my framework, but never tested it in later 
versions of access.

jwc

I'd be interested to know what is using up all the memory though.  I did 
run into the limitation of open record sets which is why I did this 
stuff.  Never ran into the thing you are discussing.  Of course it might 
be something triggered by changes in the 2013 version.  I never used 
anything past 2007.

On 1/6/2017 6:26 PM, Ryan Wehler wrote:
> John,
>
>    That's more or less what I ended up doing today. :) it probably needs some fine tuning though.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jan 6, 2017, at 5:17 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Ryan,
>>
>> I did what I referred to as "JIT subforms", i.e. linking the subforms when the tab was clicked on.  I used a class (of course) to manage it.  The event on the tab triggered a method in the loaded class to link the suvbform.  When the user moves off the tab, the subform is unlinked.  Of course you end up with situations where you need specific forms to remain linked once the tab is clicked, typically subforms that are used often and require a long time to load once linked.
>>
>> IIRC I used SysVars to store the names of the subforms that would remain loaded.
>>
>> It took a bit of dev work but once working it worked quite well.
>>
>> jwcolby
>>
>>> On 1/6/2017 9:28 AM, Ryan W wrote:
>>> More statistics:
>>>
>>> ?returnvm
>>>
>>>
>>> (Reporting module loaded)
>>> 1.391 GB of VM used.
>>>
>>> (Prepatory form loaded)
>>> 1.194 GB of VM used.
>>>
>>> (Analytics form loaded)
>>> 1.135 GB of VM used.
>>>
>>> (Login Form loaded)
>>> 1.06 GB of VM used.
>>>
>>> (Switchboard Loaded)
>>> 0.803 GB of VM used.
>>>
>>> (Nothing open but my Access FE (no forms loaded))
>>> 0.645 GB of VM used.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> With that once I get to the reporting module if I hit "print preview" on
>>> all of my selected reports (7) to print and give to the client I get an out
>>> of resources error.  Those are the most used forms in the entire FE.  It
>>> wouldn't be uncommon for some of our data reviewers to have all of those
>>> open bouncing between them (they used to do it before via hotkeys (Ctrl-R
>>> for Analytical, Ctrl-M for Main, Ctrl-B for Prep, Ctrl-W for Login etc)..
>>> so even though you PREVIOUSLY with Access 2003 you couldn't see a tab, the
>>> same forms were loaded then that are loaded now. The key difference is
>>> Access 2013. It must simply use more memory.
>> -- 
>> John W. Colby
>>
>> -- 
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

-- 
John W. Colby


From wrwehler at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 18:57:16 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan Wehler)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 18:57:16 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
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I sure would love to pick your brain on that. I've not done much with user created classes. 

Wouldn't your way mean instantiating an object per tab and an object per subform?

Seems like a lot of stuff to keep in memory when I'm trying to avoid memory usage. But I'd love to hear more. 

I'm a visual learner though ...  examples get me going a lot faster than just a wall of words but I'll do my best to follow along if you can find the time to discuss this more. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 6, 2017, at 5:55 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Ryan, think about using a table to store the subform control name / subform name and other link info.  This allows it to be "table driven", one of my favorite concepts.  You have a place to go to see what subforms are linked to what subform controls.  Then you can use a collection to load the table into class instances one time as the app opens, one instance for each record, thus "caching" that info for instantaneous usage.  IIRC you can store objects in the collection using a name so that you can index directly into the correct record when needed.
> 
> If you use classes this stuff is much easier.  The classes contain the code to do the linking / unlinking, loading the data from the table etc.
> 
> You would need a tab class (to sink the events generated by clicks or focus), a subform control class to hold the subform name and link data, and a collection class to load all that table stuff into.
> 
> As a main form with tabs loads, it will load a tab class for each tab.  The tab class would load a subform control class for the embedded subform control.  The subform control class would go get it's link info.  Then as the user clicks or otherwise causes a tab to get the focus the event would call into the subform control class to tell it to load the subform and link it up.  As it loses the focus, it calls back into the class to tell it to unload.
> 
> I did all this stuff in my framework, but never tested it in later versions of access.
> 
> jwc
> 
> I'd be interested to know what is using up all the memory though.  I did run into the limitation of open record sets which is why I did this stuff.  Never ran into the thing you are discussing.  Of course it might be something triggered by changes in the 2013 version.  I never used anything past 2007.
> 
>> On 1/6/2017 6:26 PM, Ryan Wehler wrote:
>> John,
>> 
>>   That's more or less what I ended up doing today. :) it probably needs some fine tuning though.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jan 6, 2017, at 5:17 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ryan,
>>> 
>>> I did what I referred to as "JIT subforms", i.e. linking the subforms when the tab was clicked on.  I used a class (of course) to manage it.  The event on the tab triggered a method in the loaded class to link the suvbform.  When the user moves off the tab, the subform is unlinked.  Of course you end up with situations where you need specific forms to remain linked once the tab is clicked, typically subforms that are used often and require a long time to load once linked.
>>> 
>>> IIRC I used SysVars to store the names of the subforms that would remain loaded.
>>> 
>>> It took a bit of dev work but once working it worked quite well.
>>> 
>>> jwcolby
>>> 
>>>> On 1/6/2017 9:28 AM, Ryan W wrote:
>>>> More statistics:
>>>> 
>>>> ?returnvm
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> (Reporting module loaded)
>>>> 1.391 GB of VM used.
>>>> 
>>>> (Prepatory form loaded)
>>>> 1.194 GB of VM used.
>>>> 
>>>> (Analytics form loaded)
>>>> 1.135 GB of VM used.
>>>> 
>>>> (Login Form loaded)
>>>> 1.06 GB of VM used.
>>>> 
>>>> (Switchboard Loaded)
>>>> 0.803 GB of VM used.
>>>> 
>>>> (Nothing open but my Access FE (no forms loaded))
>>>> 0.645 GB of VM used.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> With that once I get to the reporting module if I hit "print preview" on
>>>> all of my selected reports (7) to print and give to the client I get an out
>>>> of resources error.  Those are the most used forms in the entire FE.  It
>>>> wouldn't be uncommon for some of our data reviewers to have all of those
>>>> open bouncing between them (they used to do it before via hotkeys (Ctrl-R
>>>> for Analytical, Ctrl-M for Main, Ctrl-B for Prep, Ctrl-W for Login etc)..
>>>> so even though you PREVIOUSLY with Access 2003 you couldn't see a tab, the
>>>> same forms were loaded then that are loaded now. The key difference is
>>>> Access 2013. It must simply use more memory.
>>> -- 
>>> John W. Colby
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> -- 
> John W. Colby
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 19:59:56 2017
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 18:59:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
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Ryan,

John Colby is THE MAN when it comes to classes.

He did a series of classes "lectures" on the list back in February or
March of 2009.

You can find them in the archives at
http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/

Here is the list of emails and direct links to them in the archive for
you to read:

1) [AccessD] Classes and Events
http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2009-February/082643.html

2) [AccessD] CREATE CLASSES AND EVENTS DEMO DATABASE
http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2009-February/082677.html

3) [AccessD] LOAD THE FORM CLASS IN THE FORM
http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2009-February/082681.html

4) [AccessD] Get event sinks working
http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2009-February/082688.html

5) [AccessD] Building a Control Scanner
http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2009-February/082693.html

6) [AccessD] Building a control class
http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2009-February/082694.html

7) [AccessD] MODIFY THE FORM CLASS TO LOAD THE NEW COMBO CLASS.
http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2009-February/082695.html

8) [AccessD] Classes and Events - EVENTS NOT REQUIRED
http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2009-February/082707.html

9) [AccessD] BUILDING A TEXT CONTROL CLASS
http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2009-February/082771.html

10) [AccessD] The classes as they are at this instant - clsTimer
http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2009-February/082774.html

11) [AccessD] The classes as they are at this instant - clsCtlCbo
http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2009-February/082775.html

12) [AccessD] The classes as they are at this instant - clsCtlTxt
http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2009-February/082776.html

13) [AccessD] The classes as they are at this instant - clsFrm
http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2009-February/082777.html

14) [AccessD] The form
http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2009-February/082781.html

15) [AccessD] IMPORT THE FORM
http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2009-February/082787.html

16) [AccessD] SINKING EVENTS IN MULTIPLE PLACES
http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2009-February/082844.html

17) [AccessD] EMERGENCY HALT: was Re: The form for demo event sink in two places
http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2009-February/082848.html

18) [AccessD] Demo sinking events in two places
http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2009-February/082849.html

19) [AccessD] ClsMsg
http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2009-February/082881.html

20) [AccessD] CLSMSG DEMO
http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2009-February/082889.html

21) [AccessD] USING CLSMSGDEMO
http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2009-February/082890.html

Don't just read those emails, but the entire threads. They may contain
good info too.

Bryan


On 6 January 2017 at 17:57, Ryan Wehler <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
> I sure would love to pick your brain on that. I've not done much with user created classes.
>
> Wouldn't your way mean instantiating an object per tab and an object per subform?
>
> Seems like a lot of stuff to keep in memory when I'm trying to avoid memory usage. But I'd love to hear more.
>
> I'm a visual learner though ...  examples get me going a lot faster than just a wall of words but I'll do my best to follow along if you can find the time to discuss this more.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 6, 2017, at 5:55 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Ryan, think about using a table to store the subform control name / subform name and other link info.  This allows it to be "table driven", one of my favorite concepts.  You have a place to go to see what subforms are linked to what subform controls.  Then you can use a collection to load the table into class instances one time as the app opens, one instance for each record, thus "caching" that info for instantaneous usage.  IIRC you can store objects in the collection using a name so that you can index directly into the correct record when needed.
>>
>> If you use classes this stuff is much easier.  The classes contain the code to do the linking / unlinking, loading the data from the table etc.
>>
>> You would need a tab class (to sink the events generated by clicks or focus), a subform control class to hold the subform name and link data, and a collection class to load all that table stuff into.
>>
>> As a main form with tabs loads, it will load a tab class for each tab.  The tab class would load a subform control class for the embedded subform control.  The subform control class would go get it's link info.  Then as the user clicks or otherwise causes a tab to get the focus the event would call into the subform control class to tell it to load the subform and link it up.  As it loses the focus, it calls back into the class to tell it to unload.
>>
>> I did all this stuff in my framework, but never tested it in later versions of access.
>>
>> jwc
>>
>> I'd be interested to know what is using up all the memory though.  I did run into the limitation of open record sets which is why I did this stuff.  Never ran into the thing you are discussing.  Of course it might be something triggered by changes in the 2013 version.  I never used anything past 2007.
>>
>>> On 1/6/2017 6:26 PM, Ryan Wehler wrote:
>>> John,
>>>
>>>   That's more or less what I ended up doing today. :) it probably needs some fine tuning though.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On Jan 6, 2017, at 5:17 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ryan,
>>>>
>>>> I did what I referred to as "JIT subforms", i.e. linking the subforms when the tab was clicked on.  I used a class (of course) to manage it.  The event on the tab triggered a method in the loaded class to link the suvbform.  When the user moves off the tab, the subform is unlinked.  Of course you end up with situations where you need specific forms to remain linked once the tab is clicked, typically subforms that are used often and require a long time to load once linked.
>>>>
>>>> IIRC I used SysVars to store the names of the subforms that would remain loaded.
>>>>
>>>> It took a bit of dev work but once working it worked quite well.
>>>>
>>>> jwcolby
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/6/2017 9:28 AM, Ryan W wrote:
>>>>> More statistics:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?returnvm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> (Reporting module loaded)
>>>>> 1.391 GB of VM used.
>>>>>
>>>>> (Prepatory form loaded)
>>>>> 1.194 GB of VM used.
>>>>>
>>>>> (Analytics form loaded)
>>>>> 1.135 GB of VM used.
>>>>>
>>>>> (Login Form loaded)
>>>>> 1.06 GB of VM used.
>>>>>
>>>>> (Switchboard Loaded)
>>>>> 0.803 GB of VM used.
>>>>>
>>>>> (Nothing open but my Access FE (no forms loaded))
>>>>> 0.645 GB of VM used.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> With that once I get to the reporting module if I hit "print preview" on
>>>>> all of my selected reports (7) to print and give to the client I get an out
>>>>> of resources error.  Those are the most used forms in the entire FE.  It
>>>>> wouldn't be uncommon for some of our data reviewers to have all of those
>>>>> open bouncing between them (they used to do it before via hotkeys (Ctrl-R
>>>>> for Analytical, Ctrl-M for Main, Ctrl-B for Prep, Ctrl-W for Login etc)..
>>>>> so even though you PREVIOUSLY with Access 2003 you couldn't see a tab, the
>>>>> same forms were loaded then that are loaded now. The key difference is
>>>>> Access 2013. It must simply use more memory.
>>>> --
>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a
well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 23:54:38 2017
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 00:54:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
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LOL, talk about your wall of words!  ;)

On 1/6/2017 8:59 PM, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:
> Ryan,
>
> John Colby is THE MAN when it comes to classes.
>
> He did a series of classes "lectures" on the list back in February or
> March of 2009.
>
> You can find them in the archives at
> http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/
>
> Here is the list of emails and direct links to them in the archive for
> you to read:
>
> 1) [AccessD] Classes and Events
> http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2009-February/082643.html
>
> 2) [AccessD] CREATE CLASSES AND EVENTS DEMO DATABASE
> http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2009-February/082677.html
>
> 3) [AccessD] LOAD THE FORM CLASS IN THE FORM
> http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2009-February/082681.html
>
> 4) [AccessD] Get event sinks working
> http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2009-February/082688.html
>
> 5) [AccessD] Building a Control Scanner
> http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2009-February/082693.html
>
> 6) [AccessD] Building a control class
> http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2009-February/082694.html
>
> 7) [AccessD] MODIFY THE FORM CLASS TO LOAD THE NEW COMBO CLASS.
> http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2009-February/082695.html
>
> 8) [AccessD] Classes and Events - EVENTS NOT REQUIRED
> http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2009-February/082707.html
>
> 9) [AccessD] BUILDING A TEXT CONTROL CLASS
> http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2009-February/082771.html
>
> 10) [AccessD] The classes as they are at this instant - clsTimer
> http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2009-February/082774.html
>
> 11) [AccessD] The classes as they are at this instant - clsCtlCbo
> http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2009-February/082775.html
>
> 12) [AccessD] The classes as they are at this instant - clsCtlTxt
> http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2009-February/082776.html
>
> 13) [AccessD] The classes as they are at this instant - clsFrm
> http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2009-February/082777.html
>
> 14) [AccessD] The form
> http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2009-February/082781.html
>
> 15) [AccessD] IMPORT THE FORM
> http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2009-February/082787.html
>
> 16) [AccessD] SINKING EVENTS IN MULTIPLE PLACES
> http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2009-February/082844.html
>
> 17) [AccessD] EMERGENCY HALT: was Re: The form for demo event sink in two places
> http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2009-February/082848.html
>
> 18) [AccessD] Demo sinking events in two places
> http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2009-February/082849.html
>
> 19) [AccessD] ClsMsg
> http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2009-February/082881.html
>
> 20) [AccessD] CLSMSG DEMO
> http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2009-February/082889.html
>
> 21) [AccessD] USING CLSMSGDEMO
> http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2009-February/082890.html
>
> Don't just read those emails, but the entire threads. They may contain
> good info too.
>
> Bryan
>
>
> On 6 January 2017 at 17:57, Ryan Wehler <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I sure would love to pick your brain on that. I've not done much with user created classes.
>>
>> Wouldn't your way mean instantiating an object per tab and an object per subform?
>>
>> Seems like a lot of stuff to keep in memory when I'm trying to avoid memory usage. But I'd love to hear more.
>>
>> I'm a visual learner though ...  examples get me going a lot faster than just a wall of words but I'll do my best to follow along if you can find the time to discuss this more.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 6, 2017, at 5:55 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ryan, think about using a table to store the subform control name / subform name and other link info.  This allows it to be "table driven", one of my favorite concepts.  You have a place to go to see what subforms are linked to what subform controls.  Then you can use a collection to load the table into class instances one time as the app opens, one instance for each record, thus "caching" that info for instantaneous usage.  IIRC you can store objects in the collection using a name so that you can index directly into the correct record when needed.
>>>
>>> If you use classes this stuff is much easier.  The classes contain the code to do the linking / unlinking, loading the data from the table etc.
>>>
>>> You would need a tab class (to sink the events generated by clicks or focus), a subform control class to hold the subform name and link data, and a collection class to load all that table stuff into.
>>>
>>> As a main form with tabs loads, it will load a tab class for each tab.  The tab class would load a subform control class for the embedded subform control.  The subform control class would go get it's link info.  Then as the user clicks or otherwise causes a tab to get the focus the event would call into the subform control class to tell it to load the subform and link it up.  As it loses the focus, it calls back into the class to tell it to unload.
>>>
>>> I did all this stuff in my framework, but never tested it in later versions of access.
>>>
>>> jwc
>>>
>>> I'd be interested to know what is using up all the memory though.  I did run into the limitation of open record sets which is why I did this stuff.  Never ran into the thing you are discussing.  Of course it might be something triggered by changes in the 2013 version.  I never used anything past 2007.
>>>
>>>> On 1/6/2017 6:26 PM, Ryan Wehler wrote:
>>>> John,
>>>>
>>>>    That's more or less what I ended up doing today. :) it probably needs some fine tuning though.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 6, 2017, at 5:17 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ryan,
>>>>>
>>>>> I did what I referred to as "JIT subforms", i.e. linking the subforms when the tab was clicked on.  I used a class (of course) to manage it.  The event on the tab triggered a method in the loaded class to link the suvbform.  When the user moves off the tab, the subform is unlinked.  Of course you end up with situations where you need specific forms to remain linked once the tab is clicked, typically subforms that are used often and require a long time to load once linked.
>>>>>
>>>>> IIRC I used SysVars to store the names of the subforms that would remain loaded.
>>>>>
>>>>> It took a bit of dev work but once working it worked quite well.
>>>>>
>>>>> jwcolby
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/6/2017 9:28 AM, Ryan W wrote:
>>>>>> More statistics:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?returnvm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Reporting module loaded)
>>>>>> 1.391 GB of VM used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Prepatory form loaded)
>>>>>> 1.194 GB of VM used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Analytics form loaded)
>>>>>> 1.135 GB of VM used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Login Form loaded)
>>>>>> 1.06 GB of VM used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Switchboard Loaded)
>>>>>> 0.803 GB of VM used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Nothing open but my Access FE (no forms loaded))
>>>>>> 0.645 GB of VM used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With that once I get to the reporting module if I hit "print preview" on
>>>>>> all of my selected reports (7) to print and give to the client I get an out
>>>>>> of resources error.  Those are the most used forms in the entire FE.  It
>>>>>> wouldn't be uncommon for some of our data reviewers to have all of those
>>>>>> open bouncing between them (they used to do it before via hotkeys (Ctrl-R
>>>>>> for Analytical, Ctrl-M for Main, Ctrl-B for Prep, Ctrl-W for Login etc)..
>>>>>> so even though you PREVIOUSLY with Access 2003 you couldn't see a tab, the
>>>>>> same forms were loaded then that are loaded now. The key difference is
>>>>>> Access 2013. It must simply use more memory.
>>>>> --
>>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>> --
>>> John W. Colby
>>>
>>> --
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>

-- 
John W. Colby


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 00:03:34 2017
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 01:03:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
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Yes, my way means instantiating a bunch of classes.  Understand though 
that the code itself in any given class is only loaded once and is then 
shared between all of the classes.  Only the variable storage is created 
more than once.

Whereas if you store event code for each tab in the form class which 
contains the tab, that code is created over and over (and over and 
over), once for each event for each tab.

You will find that most Access programmers haven't used classes, though 
those that have tend to swear by them.  Those that don't swear at them.  
;)  But once you wrap your brain around the class concept you will never 
go back.

On 1/6/2017 7:57 PM, Ryan Wehler wrote:
> I sure would love to pick your brain on that. I've not done much with user created classes.
>
> Wouldn't your way mean instantiating an object per tab and an object per subform?
>
> Seems like a lot of stuff to keep in memory when I'm trying to avoid memory usage. But I'd love to hear more.
>
> I'm a visual learner though ...  examples get me going a lot faster than just a wall of words but I'll do my best to follow along if you can find the time to discuss this more.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 6, 2017, at 5:55 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Ryan, think about using a table to store the subform control name / subform name and other link info.  This allows it to be "table driven", one of my favorite concepts.  You have a place to go to see what subforms are linked to what subform controls.  Then you can use a collection to load the table into class instances one time as the app opens, one instance for each record, thus "caching" that info for instantaneous usage.  IIRC you can store objects in the collection using a name so that you can index directly into the correct record when needed.
>>
>> If you use classes this stuff is much easier.  The classes contain the code to do the linking / unlinking, loading the data from the table etc.
>>
>> You would need a tab class (to sink the events generated by clicks or focus), a subform control class to hold the subform name and link data, and a collection class to load all that table stuff into.
>>
>> As a main form with tabs loads, it will load a tab class for each tab.  The tab class would load a subform control class for the embedded subform control.  The subform control class would go get it's link info.  Then as the user clicks or otherwise causes a tab to get the focus the event would call into the subform control class to tell it to load the subform and link it up.  As it loses the focus, it calls back into the class to tell it to unload.
>>
>> I did all this stuff in my framework, but never tested it in later versions of access.
>>
>> jwc
>>
>> I'd be interested to know what is using up all the memory though.  I did run into the limitation of open record sets which is why I did this stuff.  Never ran into the thing you are discussing.  Of course it might be something triggered by changes in the 2013 version.  I never used anything past 2007.
>>
>>> On 1/6/2017 6:26 PM, Ryan Wehler wrote:
>>> John,
>>>
>>>    That's more or less what I ended up doing today. :) it probably needs some fine tuning though.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On Jan 6, 2017, at 5:17 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ryan,
>>>>
>>>> I did what I referred to as "JIT subforms", i.e. linking the subforms when the tab was clicked on.  I used a class (of course) to manage it.  The event on the tab triggered a method in the loaded class to link the suvbform.  When the user moves off the tab, the subform is unlinked.  Of course you end up with situations where you need specific forms to remain linked once the tab is clicked, typically subforms that are used often and require a long time to load once linked.
>>>>
>>>> IIRC I used SysVars to store the names of the subforms that would remain loaded.
>>>>
>>>> It took a bit of dev work but once working it worked quite well.
>>>>
>>>> jwcolby
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/6/2017 9:28 AM, Ryan W wrote:
>>>>> More statistics:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?returnvm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> (Reporting module loaded)
>>>>> 1.391 GB of VM used.
>>>>>
>>>>> (Prepatory form loaded)
>>>>> 1.194 GB of VM used.
>>>>>
>>>>> (Analytics form loaded)
>>>>> 1.135 GB of VM used.
>>>>>
>>>>> (Login Form loaded)
>>>>> 1.06 GB of VM used.
>>>>>
>>>>> (Switchboard Loaded)
>>>>> 0.803 GB of VM used.
>>>>>
>>>>> (Nothing open but my Access FE (no forms loaded))
>>>>> 0.645 GB of VM used.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> With that once I get to the reporting module if I hit "print preview" on
>>>>> all of my selected reports (7) to print and give to the client I get an out
>>>>> of resources error.  Those are the most used forms in the entire FE.  It
>>>>> wouldn't be uncommon for some of our data reviewers to have all of those
>>>>> open bouncing between them (they used to do it before via hotkeys (Ctrl-R
>>>>> for Analytical, Ctrl-M for Main, Ctrl-B for Prep, Ctrl-W for Login etc)..
>>>>> so even though you PREVIOUSLY with Access 2003 you couldn't see a tab, the
>>>>> same forms were loaded then that are loaded now. The key difference is
>>>>> Access 2013. It must simply use more memory.
>>>> -- 
>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> -- 
>> John W. Colby
>>
>> -- 
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

-- 
John W. Colby


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Sat Jan  7 07:25:32 2017
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2017 08:25:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
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 Code though is not where you chew up most of your memory and certainly you
can structure your procedures to be used by more than one object, so you
don't need classes to avoid that.

<<You will find that most Access programmers haven't used classes, though 
those that have tend to swear by them.>>

  As we've talked about in the past, I don't believe it's that people don't
understand them, but rather the fact that VBA doesn't support full
inheritance, so the power of classes is really robbed.   That's why you
don't see classes used a lot more with Access. 

  There are places where using classes in VBA make sense, but I don't see
where you gain any advantage for something like this.   In fact it seems
like it would be a disadvantage.   Not only do you have to go through the
effort of adding code to instantiate everything, but you now have a bunch of
additional objects in memory.

Jim.

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From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
John Colby
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2017 01:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?

Yes, my way means instantiating a bunch of classes.  Understand though 
that the code itself in any given class is only loaded once and is then 
shared between all of the classes.  Only the variable storage is created 
more than once.

Whereas if you store event code for each tab in the form class which 
contains the tab, that code is created over and over (and over and 
over), once for each event for each tab.

You will find that most Access programmers haven't used classes, though 
those that have tend to swear by them.  Those that don't swear at them.  
;)  But once you wrap your brain around the class concept you will never 
go back.

On 1/6/2017 7:57 PM, Ryan Wehler wrote:
> I sure would love to pick your brain on that. I've not done much with user
created classes.
>
> Wouldn't your way mean instantiating an object per tab and an object per
subform?
>
> Seems like a lot of stuff to keep in memory when I'm trying to avoid
memory usage. But I'd love to hear more.
>
> I'm a visual learner though ...  examples get me going a lot faster than
just a wall of words but I'll do my best to follow along if you can find the
time to discuss this more.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 6, 2017, at 5:55 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Ryan, think about using a table to store the subform control name /
subform name and other link info.  This allows it to be "table driven", one
of my favorite concepts.  You have a place to go to see what subforms are
linked to what subform controls.  Then you can use a collection to load the
table into class instances one time as the app opens, one instance for each
record, thus "caching" that info for instantaneous usage.  IIRC you can
store objects in the collection using a name so that you can index directly
into the correct record when needed.
>>
>> If you use classes this stuff is much easier.  The classes contain the
code to do the linking / unlinking, loading the data from the table etc.
>>
>> You would need a tab class (to sink the events generated by clicks or
focus), a subform control class to hold the subform name and link data, and
a collection class to load all that table stuff into.
>>
>> As a main form with tabs loads, it will load a tab class for each tab.
The tab class would load a subform control class for the embedded subform
control.  The subform control class would go get it's link info.  Then as
the user clicks or otherwise causes a tab to get the focus the event would
call into the subform control class to tell it to load the subform and link
it up.  As it loses the focus, it calls back into the class to tell it to
unload.
>>
>> I did all this stuff in my framework, but never tested it in later
versions of access.
>>
>> jwc
>>
>> I'd be interested to know what is using up all the memory though.  I did
run into the limitation of open record sets which is why I did this stuff.
Never ran into the thing you are discussing.  Of course it might be
something triggered by changes in the 2013 version.  I never used anything
past 2007.
>>
>>> On 1/6/2017 6:26 PM, Ryan Wehler wrote:
>>> John,
>>>
>>>    That's more or less what I ended up doing today. :) it probably needs
some fine tuning though.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On Jan 6, 2017, at 5:17 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ryan,
>>>>
>>>> I did what I referred to as "JIT subforms", i.e. linking the subforms
when the tab was clicked on.  I used a class (of course) to manage it.  The
event on the tab triggered a method in the loaded class to link the
suvbform.  When the user moves off the tab, the subform is unlinked.  Of
course you end up with situations where you need specific forms to remain
linked once the tab is clicked, typically subforms that are used often and
require a long time to load once linked.
>>>>
>>>> IIRC I used SysVars to store the names of the subforms that would
remain loaded.
>>>>
>>>> It took a bit of dev work but once working it worked quite well.
>>>>
>>>> jwcolby
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/6/2017 9:28 AM, Ryan W wrote:
>>>>> More statistics:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?returnvm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> (Reporting module loaded)
>>>>> 1.391 GB of VM used.
>>>>>
>>>>> (Prepatory form loaded)
>>>>> 1.194 GB of VM used.
>>>>>
>>>>> (Analytics form loaded)
>>>>> 1.135 GB of VM used.
>>>>>
>>>>> (Login Form loaded)
>>>>> 1.06 GB of VM used.
>>>>>
>>>>> (Switchboard Loaded)
>>>>> 0.803 GB of VM used.
>>>>>
>>>>> (Nothing open but my Access FE (no forms loaded))
>>>>> 0.645 GB of VM used.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> With that once I get to the reporting module if I hit "print preview"
on
>>>>> all of my selected reports (7) to print and give to the client I get
an out
>>>>> of resources error.  Those are the most used forms in the entire FE.
It
>>>>> wouldn't be uncommon for some of our data reviewers to have all of
those
>>>>> open bouncing between them (they used to do it before via hotkeys
(Ctrl-R
>>>>> for Analytical, Ctrl-M for Main, Ctrl-B for Prep, Ctrl-W for Login
etc)..
>>>>> so even though you PREVIOUSLY with Access 2003 you couldn't see a tab,
the
>>>>> same forms were loaded then that are loaded now. The key difference is
>>>>> Access 2013. It must simply use more memory.
>>>> -- 
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>>>>
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>>
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Sat Jan  7 07:25:32 2017
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2017 08:25:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
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 Good solution.

Jim. 

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To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?

Oh. I should have added. The reason I don't have them unlinked to start
with is because then it makes it harder for me to remember what subform
goes to a control if I need to redesign it. At least right now I can just
right click the subform control and do "subform in new window" and do some
modification to it.

I may use the tag field to hold the sourceobject name so I can permanently
unlink them (so I don't have to unlink dozens of controls on a form the
first run) and that way if I need to redesign it at least the control tag
tells me what form to go look for and edit.
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From wrwehler at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 07:38:00 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan Wehler)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 07:38:00 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
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I am only storing code in the change event for the tab control. Not per tab. So I have a module with my unlink loop for subforms and a change event that re links the clicked tab via a select case statement. 

Not as elegant as your solution but I don't really understand classes. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 7, 2017, at 12:03 AM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes, my way means instantiating a bunch of classes.  Understand though that the code itself in any given class is only loaded once and is then shared between all of the classes.  Only the variable storage is created more than once.
> 
> Whereas if you store event code for each tab in the form class which contains the tab, that code is created over and over (and over and over), once for each event for each tab.
> 
> You will find that most Access programmers haven't used classes, though those that have tend to swear by them.  Those that don't swear at them.  ;)  But once you wrap your brain around the class concept you will never go back.
> 
>> On 1/6/2017 7:57 PM, Ryan Wehler wrote:
>> I sure would love to pick your brain on that. I've not done much with user created classes.
>> 
>> Wouldn't your way mean instantiating an object per tab and an object per subform?
>> 
>> Seems like a lot of stuff to keep in memory when I'm trying to avoid memory usage. But I'd love to hear more.
>> 
>> I'm a visual learner though ...  examples get me going a lot faster than just a wall of words but I'll do my best to follow along if you can find the time to discuss this more.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 6, 2017, at 5:55 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ryan, think about using a table to store the subform control name / subform name and other link info.  This allows it to be "table driven", one of my favorite concepts.  You have a place to go to see what subforms are linked to what subform controls.  Then you can use a collection to load the table into class instances one time as the app opens, one instance for each record, thus "caching" that info for instantaneous usage.  IIRC you can store objects in the collection using a name so that you can index directly into the correct record when needed.
>>> 
>>> If you use classes this stuff is much easier.  The classes contain the code to do the linking / unlinking, loading the data from the table etc.
>>> 
>>> You would need a tab class (to sink the events generated by clicks or focus), a subform control class to hold the subform name and link data, and a collection class to load all that table stuff into.
>>> 
>>> As a main form with tabs loads, it will load a tab class for each tab.  The tab class would load a subform control class for the embedded subform control.  The subform control class would go get it's link info.  Then as the user clicks or otherwise causes a tab to get the focus the event would call into the subform control class to tell it to load the subform and link it up.  As it loses the focus, it calls back into the class to tell it to unload.
>>> 
>>> I did all this stuff in my framework, but never tested it in later versions of access.
>>> 
>>> jwc
>>> 
>>> I'd be interested to know what is using up all the memory though.  I did run into the limitation of open record sets which is why I did this stuff.  Never ran into the thing you are discussing.  Of course it might be something triggered by changes in the 2013 version.  I never used anything past 2007.
>>> 
>>>> On 1/6/2017 6:26 PM, Ryan Wehler wrote:
>>>> John,
>>>> 
>>>>   That's more or less what I ended up doing today. :) it probably needs some fine tuning though.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 6, 2017, at 5:17 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ryan,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I did what I referred to as "JIT subforms", i.e. linking the subforms when the tab was clicked on.  I used a class (of course) to manage it.  The event on the tab triggered a method in the loaded class to link the suvbform.  When the user moves off the tab, the subform is unlinked.  Of course you end up with situations where you need specific forms to remain linked once the tab is clicked, typically subforms that are used often and require a long time to load once linked.
>>>>> 
>>>>> IIRC I used SysVars to store the names of the subforms that would remain loaded.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It took a bit of dev work but once working it worked quite well.
>>>>> 
>>>>> jwcolby
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 1/6/2017 9:28 AM, Ryan W wrote:
>>>>>> More statistics:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ?returnvm
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> (Reporting module loaded)
>>>>>> 1.391 GB of VM used.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> (Prepatory form loaded)
>>>>>> 1.194 GB of VM used.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> (Analytics form loaded)
>>>>>> 1.135 GB of VM used.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> (Login Form loaded)
>>>>>> 1.06 GB of VM used.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> (Switchboard Loaded)
>>>>>> 0.803 GB of VM used.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> (Nothing open but my Access FE (no forms loaded))
>>>>>> 0.645 GB of VM used.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> With that once I get to the reporting module if I hit "print preview" on
>>>>>> all of my selected reports (7) to print and give to the client I get an out
>>>>>> of resources error.  Those are the most used forms in the entire FE.  It
>>>>>> wouldn't be uncommon for some of our data reviewers to have all of those
>>>>>> open bouncing between them (they used to do it before via hotkeys (Ctrl-R
>>>>>> for Analytical, Ctrl-M for Main, Ctrl-B for Prep, Ctrl-W for Login etc)..
>>>>>> so even though you PREVIOUSLY with Access 2003 you couldn't see a tab, the
>>>>>> same forms were loaded then that are loaded now. The key difference is
>>>>>> Access 2013. It must simply use more memory.
>>>>> -- 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
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>>> 
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 08:42:47 2017
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 09:42:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
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Jim,

To say that a tool isn't useful because it doesn't have a specific 
function is simply not true.  In fact inheritance is only one smallish 
part of the usefulness of the class object.

Do you say that a combo control is not useful because you can't inherit 
it?  Personally I find it very useful.  A combo class, like everything, 
and I do mean EVERYTHING in Access is a class.  Every control is a 
class.  All of the dao objects are classes.  Ever program a recordset?  
You are instantiating a class.

And no, you can't inherit these things but they are still mighty useful, 
and every single access programmer uses them.

Classes do the following:

1) Store all the code for the object being modeled in a common place 
specifically for that object.
2) Allow creating instance specific data storage for an object being 
modeled (CRITICAL STUFF HERE).
3) Sink events for an object that generates events (CRITICAL STUFF HERE).
4) Raise events of its own to be sinked elsewhere in code .
5) Allow inheritance.

Notice of that list, only the last is missing.

So riddle me this batman, do you use the form class?  Of course you do.  
Well guess what, the form class is EXACTLY the same object as the class 
that you can build using the generic class object.  The Access program 
has a bunch of "builders" which allow you the developer to "double 
click" on a control object and insert an event handler into a form's 
class but that is just a builder helping you do something.  The CLASS 
ITSELF behind the form, is JUST A CLASS, the same EXACT thing as the 
class you too could use if you removed your prejudices.

So why do you say that it is useless because you cannot inherit it? Yep, 
you cannot inherit the form class, but I bet you dollars to donuts you 
use the form class anyway.

You use the class object, literally all day every day, and then tell me 
it isn't useful.  Baffling.

The only difference between me and those who don't "use classes" is I 
took the time to understand them and actually start using them daily in 
my code.

As I have just pointed out, there is not a single Access programmer who 
doesn't use classes, only those who go the next step to figuring that 
little object called a class.

On 1/7/2017 8:25 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
>   Code though is not where you chew up most of your memory and certainly you
> can structure your procedures to be used by more than one object, so you
> don't need classes to avoid that.
>
> <<You will find that most Access programmers haven't used classes, though
> those that have tend to swear by them.>>
>
>    As we've talked about in the past, I don't believe it's that people don't
> understand them, but rather the fact that VBA doesn't support full
> inheritance, so the power of classes is really robbed.   That's why you
> don't see classes used a lot more with Access.
>
>    There are places where using classes in VBA make sense, but I don't see
> where you gain any advantage for something like this.   In fact it seems
> like it would be a disadvantage.   Not only do you have to go through the
> effort of adding code to instantiate everything, but you now have a bunch of
> additional objects in memory.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> John Colby
> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2017 01:04 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
>
> Yes, my way means instantiating a bunch of classes.  Understand though
> that the code itself in any given class is only loaded once and is then
> shared between all of the classes.  Only the variable storage is created
> more than once.
>
> Whereas if you store event code for each tab in the form class which
> contains the tab, that code is created over and over (and over and
> over), once for each event for each tab.
>
> You will find that most Access programmers haven't used classes, though
> those that have tend to swear by them.  Those that don't swear at them.
> ;)  But once you wrap your brain around the class concept you will never
> go back.
>
> On 1/6/2017 7:57 PM, Ryan Wehler wrote:
>> I sure would love to pick your brain on that. I've not done much with user
> created classes.
>> Wouldn't your way mean instantiating an object per tab and an object per
> subform?
>> Seems like a lot of stuff to keep in memory when I'm trying to avoid
> memory usage. But I'd love to hear more.
>> I'm a visual learner though ...  examples get me going a lot faster than
> just a wall of words but I'll do my best to follow along if you can find the
> time to discuss this more.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 6, 2017, at 5:55 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ryan, think about using a table to store the subform control name /
> subform name and other link info.  This allows it to be "table driven", one
> of my favorite concepts.  You have a place to go to see what subforms are
> linked to what subform controls.  Then you can use a collection to load the
> table into class instances one time as the app opens, one instance for each
> record, thus "caching" that info for instantaneous usage.  IIRC you can
> store objects in the collection using a name so that you can index directly
> into the correct record when needed.
>>> If you use classes this stuff is much easier.  The classes contain the
> code to do the linking / unlinking, loading the data from the table etc.
>>> You would need a tab class (to sink the events generated by clicks or
> focus), a subform control class to hold the subform name and link data, and
> a collection class to load all that table stuff into.
>>> As a main form with tabs loads, it will load a tab class for each tab.
> The tab class would load a subform control class for the embedded subform
> control.  The subform control class would go get it's link info.  Then as
> the user clicks or otherwise causes a tab to get the focus the event would
> call into the subform control class to tell it to load the subform and link
> it up.  As it loses the focus, it calls back into the class to tell it to
> unload.
>>> I did all this stuff in my framework, but never tested it in later
> versions of access.
>>> jwc
>>>
>>> I'd be interested to know what is using up all the memory though.  I did
> run into the limitation of open record sets which is why I did this stuff.
> Never ran into the thing you are discussing.  Of course it might be
> something triggered by changes in the 2013 version.  I never used anything
> past 2007.
>>>> On 1/6/2017 6:26 PM, Ryan Wehler wrote:
>>>> John,
>>>>
>>>>     That's more or less what I ended up doing today. :) it probably needs
> some fine tuning though.
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 6, 2017, at 5:17 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ryan,
>>>>>
>>>>> I did what I referred to as "JIT subforms", i.e. linking the subforms
> when the tab was clicked on.  I used a class (of course) to manage it.  The
> event on the tab triggered a method in the loaded class to link the
> suvbform.  When the user moves off the tab, the subform is unlinked.  Of
> course you end up with situations where you need specific forms to remain
> linked once the tab is clicked, typically subforms that are used often and
> require a long time to load once linked.
>>>>> IIRC I used SysVars to store the names of the subforms that would
> remain loaded.
>>>>> It took a bit of dev work but once working it worked quite well.
>>>>>
>>>>> jwcolby
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/6/2017 9:28 AM, Ryan W wrote:
>>>>>> More statistics:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?returnvm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Reporting module loaded)
>>>>>> 1.391 GB of VM used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Prepatory form loaded)
>>>>>> 1.194 GB of VM used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Analytics form loaded)
>>>>>> 1.135 GB of VM used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Login Form loaded)
>>>>>> 1.06 GB of VM used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Switchboard Loaded)
>>>>>> 0.803 GB of VM used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Nothing open but my Access FE (no forms loaded))
>>>>>> 0.645 GB of VM used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With that once I get to the reporting module if I hit "print preview"
> on
>>>>>> all of my selected reports (7) to print and give to the client I get
> an out
>>>>>> of resources error.  Those are the most used forms in the entire FE.
> It
>>>>>> wouldn't be uncommon for some of our data reviewers to have all of
> those
>>>>>> open bouncing between them (they used to do it before via hotkeys
> (Ctrl-R
>>>>>> for Analytical, Ctrl-M for Main, Ctrl-B for Prep, Ctrl-W for Login
> etc)..
>>>>>> so even though you PREVIOUSLY with Access 2003 you couldn't see a tab,
> the
>>>>>> same forms were loaded then that are loaded now. The key difference is
>>>>>> Access 2013. It must simply use more memory.
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> AccessD mailing list
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>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>> -- 
>>> John W. Colby
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> AccessD mailing list
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>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

-- 
John W. Colby


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 09:30:52 2017
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 10:30:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] That useless little thing called Classes - Imagine this
Message-ID: <587109AC.8090902@Gmail.com>

I am a programmer by training.  I came from Turbo Pascal and Turbe C 
back in the late 80s to VBA (Access) in the early nineties.

I was lost.  Events were popping up without my control.  CHAOS I tell 
you absolute CHAOS.  I was accustomed to a program with menus where 
everything was driven from a user selecting a menu item. Absolutely 
archaic looking back on it and yet I programmed wondrous things using 
that model.  And Events baffled me.

So I learned events and it opened up my world.  But I continues to 
operate without classes until around 1997 when I found AccessD and a 
gentleman named Shamil, our Russian friend.  Shamil was struggling with 
the Access 97 version of Access, and in particular struggling with 
events and the problems they caused back then.

But he banged on me to "learn classes".  I tried but like so many Access 
programmers I "didn't get it".  But Shamil didn't give up. And so I 
eventually learned classes.  And it opened up my world, at an even 
greater scale than events.

You see Events, both sinking and raising, are simply a small part of the 
capability of a bigger concept, the class.  It was when I finally 
embraced that bigger concept that my ability in Access, in PROGRAMMING 
Access multiplied.

I am a "framework" kinda guy.  I had used frameworks from Borland, which 
gave me packages that allowed me to do big tasks without having to 
program every detail of that task.  I used their database framework to 
get databases going without ever really understanding what was going on 
down below.

So once I got my feet on the ground, in the absolute absence of anything 
resembling a framework in Access, I started building my own.  It was 
really just self preservation.

Let me present one very simply example.  I found myself using the Access 
combo to add objects to list tables.  If what the user typed in wasn't 
in the table, the Access combo CLASS OBJECT (remember classes?) raised a 
NotInList event.  What do YOU do with that event?  My guess, if you use 
it all all, you sink that event in the form's CLASS OBJECT and you do 
something REALLY CRUDE like open a recordset right in the form for the 
table which populates that combo, and adding what the user just typed 
in.  Right there in the form.

Or... you do something only slightly less crude like calling a method in 
a library, passing off the name of the table and allow that function in 
a library to do the same thing.

I know the latter is precisely what I used to do.

The class method for doing this is to generate a clsCombo.  Place the 
code to open the recordset in that.  Place the event sinks for the combo 
in that.  Back in the form create an instance of clsCombo and pass in 
the control itself (so we can sink its events) as well as the name of 
the table.

What does all this buy you?  A lot (little bit) of work for what?

One huge thing is that all of the event sinks in the form's CLASS 
INSTANCE / module (that little thing that is so useless because you 
can't inherit a form) suddenly go away.  If I have 20 combos all loaded 
from list tables, I used to have 20 combo NotInList events right in the 
form's CLASS INSTANCE.  Can you say ICK???  Really, all of the events 
for 20 combo's NotInList in my form's class instance?

And why is the form class sinking combo events?  Is the form a combo?  
Is the form 20 combos?  ICK!  A form is supposed to model a form object, 
and it has every need to sink its OWN events, but now it is modelling 
combos and text boxes and who knows what.  ICK!

So I create a combo class, and place all of the code and event sinks 
right in the class.  BTW is this not EXACTLY what you would do in VB.Net 
or C#.Net?  Can you really tell me that you would place all of these 
event sinks in your forms in those environments?  Well you might, not me.

Now what if you also want the combo to automatically drop down as it 
gets the focus?  There is an OnFocus event.  So suddenly you now have 
events for 20 combo's OnFocus in the Form's CLASS INSTANCE. YOUR form 
class is getting damned messy.  What if you want the combo (or text box) 
to change background color to highlight what control has the focus?  Do 
that in the form?????

I place that code out in my combo class.  My form class instance 
(module) is nice and clean.  Not a combo event to be found.  There is 
code to initialize all of my classes up in the form's Open event.

Now, if I want this kind of functionality for a specific combo in any 
form in the project, the code is written and ready.  I instantiate a 
clsCombo (in form open) and initialize it.  Voila, NotInList and 
DropDown and BackGroundColorChange functionality, without cluttering up 
my form module.

My form is not a combo, or twenty combos, it is a form.  It has no 
business routinely sinking every event in the damned world for every 
control I use.  I have looked at forms (my old forms from 1995 for 
example) where there were literally PAGES of event sinks and crap for a 
single form.  Classes made that all go away.

And yes, I can't inherit my class.  So what!

-- 
John W. Colby


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Sat Jan  7 09:48:41 2017
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2017 10:48:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
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John,

<<To say that a tool isn't useful because it doesn't have a specific 
function is simply not true. >>

 I never said they were not useful.  In fact if you read, I said:

"There are places where using classes in VBA make sense, but I don't see
where you gain any advantage for something like this"

<< In fact inheritance is only one smallish part of the usefulness of the
class object.>>

 Sorry, but inheritance is a major concept in the use of them, not a minor
one.  Not having it certainly diminishes what you can do with them.

<<The CLASS 
ITSELF behind the form, is JUST A CLASS, the same EXACT thing as the 
class you too could use if you removed your prejudices.>>

 I totally understand that and use classes all the time, just not so much
with VBA.   Obviously all the Access objects are classes, but I don't often
build my own classes with VBA.

 The one thing for sure that classes in VBA buys you is the ability to deal
with multiple instances of something.  But with VBA being object based
rather than object orientated, you loose a lot of the benefits and it costs
you in the extra work you need to go through, plus the additional overhead
(if your truly encapsulating, then you spend a lot of time checking the
state of things).  Look at what you do when you need to base all your text
controls on your own textbox class.   You can't simply go back and modify
the base class, but must hookup each control  individually to your class.

 In regards to your list, #2 and #3 can be achieved easily just with a find
and replace and directly calling a procedure without all the additional
overhead.  #4 you really don't need all that often, but it does come in
handy when you need it.

 A good example of that would be a customer combo.   You might have many
instances on the open forms, so it's nice to be able to raise a requery
event after adding a customer and have them all requery on their own.
While you can achieve that without classes, it's certainly slicker with
them.

<<So riddle me this batman,...>>

<<As I have just pointed out, there is not a single Access programmer who 
doesn't use classes, only those who go the next step to figuring that 
little object called a class.>>

 Hum...well I'd ask you the flip question; if classes in VBA are such a
great thing, then why don't you see more developers using them?   I mean
after all, their not that hard to figure out and there are a lot of smart
developers out there.

 If they were really that useful in VBA, after all these years, wouldn't you
expect to see article after article on how to use them, build apps with
them, etc. and see applications written primarily with them?   But do you
find any of that?  No.

Jim.



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
John Colby
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2017 09:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?

Jim,

To say that a tool isn't useful because it doesn't have a specific 
function is simply not true.  In fact inheritance is only one smallish 
part of the usefulness of the class object.

Do you say that a combo control is not useful because you can't inherit 
it?  Personally I find it very useful.  A combo class, like everything, 
and I do mean EVERYTHING in Access is a class.  Every control is a 
class.  All of the dao objects are classes.  Ever program a recordset?  
You are instantiating a class.

And no, you can't inherit these things but they are still mighty useful, 
and every single access programmer uses them.

Classes do the following:

1) Store all the code for the object being modeled in a common place 
specifically for that object.
2) Allow creating instance specific data storage for an object being 
modeled (CRITICAL STUFF HERE).
3) Sink events for an object that generates events (CRITICAL STUFF HERE).
4) Raise events of its own to be sinked elsewhere in code .
5) Allow inheritance.

Notice of that list, only the last is missing.

So riddle me this batman, do you use the form class?  Of course you do.  
Well guess what, the form class is EXACTLY the same object as the class 
that you can build using the generic class object.  The Access program 
has a bunch of "builders" which allow you the developer to "double 
click" on a control object and insert an event handler into a form's 
class but that is just a builder helping you do something.  The CLASS 
ITSELF behind the form, is JUST A CLASS, the same EXACT thing as the 
class you too could use if you removed your prejudices.

So why do you say that it is useless because you cannot inherit it? Yep, 
you cannot inherit the form class, but I bet you dollars to donuts you 
use the form class anyway.

You use the class object, literally all day every day, and then tell me 
it isn't useful.  Baffling.

The only difference between me and those who don't "use classes" is I 
took the time to understand them and actually start using them daily in 
my code.

As I have just pointed out, there is not a single Access programmer who 
doesn't use classes, only those who go the next step to figuring that 
little object called a class.

On 1/7/2017 8:25 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
>   Code though is not where you chew up most of your memory and certainly
you
> can structure your procedures to be used by more than one object, so you
> don't need classes to avoid that.
>
> <<You will find that most Access programmers haven't used classes, though
> those that have tend to swear by them.>>
>
>    As we've talked about in the past, I don't believe it's that people
don't
> understand them, but rather the fact that VBA doesn't support full
> inheritance, so the power of classes is really robbed.   That's why you
> don't see classes used a lot more with Access.
>
>    There are places where using classes in VBA make sense, but I don't see
> where you gain any advantage for something like this.   In fact it seems
> like it would be a disadvantage.   Not only do you have to go through the
> effort of adding code to instantiate everything, but you now have a bunch
of
> additional objects in memory.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> John Colby
> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2017 01:04 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
>
> Yes, my way means instantiating a bunch of classes.  Understand though
> that the code itself in any given class is only loaded once and is then
> shared between all of the classes.  Only the variable storage is created
> more than once.
>
> Whereas if you store event code for each tab in the form class which
> contains the tab, that code is created over and over (and over and
> over), once for each event for each tab.
>
> You will find that most Access programmers haven't used classes, though
> those that have tend to swear by them.  Those that don't swear at them.
> ;)  But once you wrap your brain around the class concept you will never
> go back.
>
> On 1/6/2017 7:57 PM, Ryan Wehler wrote:
>> I sure would love to pick your brain on that. I've not done much with
user
> created classes.
>> Wouldn't your way mean instantiating an object per tab and an object per
> subform?
>> Seems like a lot of stuff to keep in memory when I'm trying to avoid
> memory usage. But I'd love to hear more.
>> I'm a visual learner though ...  examples get me going a lot faster than
> just a wall of words but I'll do my best to follow along if you can find
the
> time to discuss this more.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 6, 2017, at 5:55 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ryan, think about using a table to store the subform control name /
> subform name and other link info.  This allows it to be "table driven",
one
> of my favorite concepts.  You have a place to go to see what subforms are
> linked to what subform controls.  Then you can use a collection to load
the
> table into class instances one time as the app opens, one instance for
each
> record, thus "caching" that info for instantaneous usage.  IIRC you can
> store objects in the collection using a name so that you can index
directly
> into the correct record when needed.
>>> If you use classes this stuff is much easier.  The classes contain the
> code to do the linking / unlinking, loading the data from the table etc.
>>> You would need a tab class (to sink the events generated by clicks or
> focus), a subform control class to hold the subform name and link data,
and
> a collection class to load all that table stuff into.
>>> As a main form with tabs loads, it will load a tab class for each tab.
> The tab class would load a subform control class for the embedded subform
> control.  The subform control class would go get it's link info.  Then as
> the user clicks or otherwise causes a tab to get the focus the event would
> call into the subform control class to tell it to load the subform and
link
> it up.  As it loses the focus, it calls back into the class to tell it to
> unload.
>>> I did all this stuff in my framework, but never tested it in later
> versions of access.
>>> jwc
>>>
>>> I'd be interested to know what is using up all the memory though.  I did
> run into the limitation of open record sets which is why I did this stuff.
> Never ran into the thing you are discussing.  Of course it might be
> something triggered by changes in the 2013 version.  I never used anything
> past 2007.
>>>> On 1/6/2017 6:26 PM, Ryan Wehler wrote:
>>>> John,
>>>>
>>>>     That's more or less what I ended up doing today. :) it probably
needs
> some fine tuning though.
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 6, 2017, at 5:17 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ryan,
>>>>>
>>>>> I did what I referred to as "JIT subforms", i.e. linking the subforms
> when the tab was clicked on.  I used a class (of course) to manage it.
The
> event on the tab triggered a method in the loaded class to link the
> suvbform.  When the user moves off the tab, the subform is unlinked.  Of
> course you end up with situations where you need specific forms to remain
> linked once the tab is clicked, typically subforms that are used often and
> require a long time to load once linked.
>>>>> IIRC I used SysVars to store the names of the subforms that would
> remain loaded.
>>>>> It took a bit of dev work but once working it worked quite well.
>>>>>
>>>>> jwcolby
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/6/2017 9:28 AM, Ryan W wrote:
>>>>>> More statistics:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?returnvm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Reporting module loaded)
>>>>>> 1.391 GB of VM used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Prepatory form loaded)
>>>>>> 1.194 GB of VM used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Analytics form loaded)
>>>>>> 1.135 GB of VM used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Login Form loaded)
>>>>>> 1.06 GB of VM used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Switchboard Loaded)
>>>>>> 0.803 GB of VM used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Nothing open but my Access FE (no forms loaded))
>>>>>> 0.645 GB of VM used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With that once I get to the reporting module if I hit "print preview"
> on
>>>>>> all of my selected reports (7) to print and give to the client I get
> an out
>>>>>> of resources error.  Those are the most used forms in the entire FE.
> It
>>>>>> wouldn't be uncommon for some of our data reviewers to have all of
> those
>>>>>> open bouncing between them (they used to do it before via hotkeys
> (Ctrl-R
>>>>>> for Analytical, Ctrl-M for Main, Ctrl-B for Prep, Ctrl-W for Login
> etc)..
>>>>>> so even though you PREVIOUSLY with Access 2003 you couldn't see a
tab,
> the
>>>>>> same forms were loaded then that are loaded now. The key difference
is
>>>>>> Access 2013. It must simply use more memory.
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>>
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>>>>> AccessD mailing list
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>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>> -- 
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>>>
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 10:48:06 2017
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 11:48:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
Message-ID: <58711BC6.2020507@Gmail.com>

 >> Sorry, but inheritance is a major concept in the use of them, not a 
minor one. Not having it certainly diminishes what you can do with them.

And what I have found is that entire projects get bogged down with "how 
should we inherit this thing".  And "oh shit, we inherited the wrong 
level, let's back up..." and so forth.  Inheritance is itself a two 
edged sword, use it wrong and it can royally screw you.

Yes, inheritance is useful, that is why it exists, but the lack thereof 
doesn't make the class not worth learning and using. Classes are WAY 
more powerful than modules precisely BECAUSE they can sink and source 
events, and can hold instances of data.  And yet the very first thing we 
tell the nube to do is learn modules and libraries.  So we tell them to 
use the much less powerful module and then tell them to not bother with 
learning much more powerful classes?

 >The one thing for sure that classes in VBA buys you is the ability to 
deal with multiple instances of something.

Yep.  What they /really /allow is for us to "model" objects.  To store 
the code and data for an instance of something.

Before I learned classes I used to use collections to hold multiple 
instances of things.  And then collections of collections.  Damned 
ugly.  Particularly ugly since the code and data for those objects had 
to be elsewhere.  Nowhere is that even remotely a model of what I was 
trying to deal with.

Try to do something like the combo control wrapper I mentioned without a 
class?  Where do you store the event sink?  I do this exact thing in my 
framework, I use a class, and I do so because I was sick of my form 
classes looking like a Walmart store, dealing with 47,258 different 
event sinks for objects that I was trying to model.  "Combo events on 
Isle two", "Text events on Isle four".  I spent more time paging down 
through my gargantuan form modules than I did programming.

 >In regards to your list, #2 and #3 can be achieved easily just with a 
find and replace

LOL.  Can you say ICK?  Major project maintenance by S&R?

"Easily" is the key term here.  Find and replace is NEVER easy in a 
large project.  Rick Fischer's tool is a key for us all.  But having to 
watch CAREFULLY as each find is displayed is NOT easy. To say this is an 
"Easy" replacement for a powerful tool is silly.

 >Look at what you do when you need to base all your text controls on 
your own textbox class. You can't simply go back and modify the base 
class, but must hookup each control individually to your class.

No but you can go back and modify your object wrapper.  Or you can use 
Find And Replace to search for code and change it when (if) you find it.

And isn't that exactly what Access is doing for you by "hooking up" all 
the events using the properties wizard? Of course you have to do that, 
whether you use class wrappers or not. But if that is such a chore, why 
are (or were) you using Access at all?

 >Hum...well I'd ask you the flip question; if classes in VBA are such a 
great thing, then why don't you see more developers using them? I mean 
after all, their not that hard to figure out and there are a lot of 
smart developers out there.

Classes are in fact hard to figure out if you don't come in from some 
other class oriented language.  It took me three tries before I got it.  
And many, perhaps even most Access programmers started as power users, 
not programmers.  VBA was marketed as the language that anyone could 
figure out.  But NOWHERE in the literature were classes mentioned.  To 
this day that is still true.  Given the absolute absence of mention 
anywhere in MS literature, I have to believe that it is intentional on 
MS part.  You'd have to ask MS why.

So how are you supposed to learn them if the books never even mention 
them.  Unless you have a Shamil or a John Colby to be there to teach it?

 > wouldn't you expect to see article after article on how to use them, 
build apps with them, etc. and see applications written primarily with 
them? But do you find any of that? No.

See my lectures and my apps.

Why aren't they mentioned by Microsoft? I think it is simply because 
Microsoft wanted Access to be a simple database tool for quick and dirty 
desktop apps.  Classes are many levels up from that.  Access has their 
own agenda, which includes support issues.

But in the end they exposed the class object for us to use.  To not do 
so is to waste the most powerful of all the objects, the object that is 
itself the basis behind every single other object in Access.  If 
Microsoft used them, even without the ability to allow inheritance, I 
would be silly not to do the same.


On 1/7/2017 10:48 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
> John,
>
> <<To say that a tool isn't useful because it doesn't have a specific
> function is simply not true. >>
>
>   I never said they were not useful.  In fact if you read, I said:
>
> "There are places where using classes in VBA make sense, but I don't see
> where you gain any advantage for something like this"
>
> << In fact inheritance is only one smallish part of the usefulness of the
> class object.>>
>
>   Sorry, but inheritance is a major concept in the use of them, not a minor
> one.  Not having it certainly diminishes what you can do with them.
>
> <<The CLASS
> ITSELF behind the form, is JUST A CLASS, the same EXACT thing as the
> class you too could use if you removed your prejudices.>>
>
>   I totally understand that and use classes all the time, just not so much
> with VBA.   Obviously all the Access objects are classes, but I don't often
> build my own classes with VBA.
>
>   The one thing for sure that classes in VBA buys you is the ability to deal
> with multiple instances of something.  But with VBA being object based
> rather than object orientated, you loose a lot of the benefits and it costs
> you in the extra work you need to go through, plus the additional overhead
> (if your truly encapsulating, then you spend a lot of time checking the
> state of things).  Look at what you do when you need to base all your text
> controls on your own textbox class.   You can't simply go back and modify
> the base class, but must hookup each control  individually to your class.
>
>   In regards to your list, #2 and #3 can be achieved easily just with a find
> and replace and directly calling a procedure without all the additional
> overhead.  #4 you really don't need all that often, but it does come in
> handy when you need it.
>
>   A good example of that would be a customer combo.   You might have many
> instances on the open forms, so it's nice to be able to raise a requery
> event after adding a customer and have them all requery on their own.
> While you can achieve that without classes, it's certainly slicker with
> them.
>
> <<So riddle me this batman,...>>
>
> <<As I have just pointed out, there is not a single Access programmer who
> doesn't use classes, only those who go the next step to figuring that
> little object called a class.>>
>
>   Hum...well I'd ask you the flip question; if classes in VBA are such a
> great thing, then why don't you see more developers using them?   I mean
> after all, their not that hard to figure out and there are a lot of smart
> developers out there.
>
>   If they were really that useful in VBA, after all these years, wouldn't you
> expect to see article after article on how to use them, build apps with
> them, etc. and see applications written primarily with them?   But do you
> find any of that?  No.
>
> Jim.
>
>
-- 
John W. Colby


From wrwehler at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 13:35:11 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan W)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 13:35:11 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Destroying form object causes Access 2013 to crash?
Message-ID: <CAFXiSd_26AgcCQHYYNXYZLfpJHpnd8Hweo62=UwNpwzxJzmPRg@mail.gmail.com>

I am going through John Colby's class posts from 2009 and when I close the
frmDemoCtls form my app crashes.

Private Sub mfrm_Close()
     Set mfrm = Nothing
End Sub


If I comment out set mfrm = Nothing then I do not get the crash.

So far the rest of the demo works. The controls change colors, I even added
a tab control to fetch the value of the tab being clicked with a new tab
class.... so I know that the mfrm object is being set and utilized...


Has anyone tried his class code in anything newer (Access 2010 or 2013 or
2016) since his postings?

From wrwehler at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 14:28:12 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan W)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 14:28:12 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Destroying form object causes Access 2013 to crash?
Message-ID: <190BE79D-5AE7-4368-BC0C-7666596EC6DF@gmail.com>

I revise my statement.  It seems to be something in the Control Scanner (or the Text or Cbo Class) doing it.  If I comment out the entire control scanner I can close the form crash free.

I just copy and pasted those classes from John?s posts and everything compiles okay.. Not sure what changed as the classes ?work? when in the form but something about the scanner or the class instantiation causes the crash on close.

One thing I do notice is that the clsTxt and clsCbo classes do not ever empty (?nothing?) the objects.  I assume (probably wrongfully?) that when you set mfrm = nothing it also destroys the class objects that it created?




From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 14:41:16 2017
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 15:41:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Destroying form object causes Access 2013 to crash?
In-Reply-To: <CAFXiSd_26AgcCQHYYNXYZLfpJHpnd8Hweo62=UwNpwzxJzmPRg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFXiSd_26AgcCQHYYNXYZLfpJHpnd8Hweo62=UwNpwzxJzmPRg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1g_NbUUdj8gWbpN=6qJgxjsq+RLqHfG8rUECHHt0ehHaw@mail.gmail.com>

Can't help you here. Now being retired and living on a very limited and
fixed income, I haven't upgraded Office beyond 2007.

Mind you, I haven't totally abandoned coding, but at this point it's not
job-oriented, it's mostly for fun. Recently I solved the Sudoku problem,
and to test my solution I Googled for the world's most difficult problems.
The problem generally considered the world's most difficult took my code a
tad under 5 minutes to solve. Left to my own devices, it may have taken
years.

I have an old friend who is a gifted mathematician. He solved the Rubik's
Cube problem in five minutes, and did so without so much as touching a
physical cube. That kind of math is way beyond me, but he did it. (In this
context, a solution means, Given any actual configuration of a Rubik's
Cube, devise the sequence of moves to solve it.) If my understanding of
this problem is correct, so far humans can far outstrip algorithms to
derive a solution. Numerous people in the world can solve a given problem
within 30 seconds. How they do that is totally baffling to me. I accept
that I'm an old-timer.

I'm still working on the Chess problem, and am taking an approach radically
different than Big Blue, etc. I call it the Teleological Approach. The idea
in general is that given a knowledge of the Book of End Games, plus the
current position, I have to guide you into one of the known End Game
positions. This seems a more viable strategy than the Deep Blue brute-force
strategy. I'm some small percentage toward the implementation of this
strategy, but I'm working on it.

A.

From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 18:00:17 2017
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 19:00:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Destroying form object causes Access 2013 to crash?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1g_NbUUdj8gWbpN=6qJgxjsq+RLqHfG8rUECHHt0ehHaw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFXiSd_26AgcCQHYYNXYZLfpJHpnd8Hweo62=UwNpwzxJzmPRg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1g_NbUUdj8gWbpN=6qJgxjsq+RLqHfG8rUECHHt0ehHaw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAA_iUE_Wi4-yky7t+CZBOah_aKYcTu8D_frEpxDy3fXDVoLMBg@mail.gmail.com>

There is a rubies cube solver machine which takes .6 seconds.

On Jan 7, 2017 15:43, "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

Can't help you here. Now being retired and living on a very limited and
fixed income, I haven't upgraded Office beyond 2007.

Mind you, I haven't totally abandoned coding, but at this point it's not
job-oriented, it's mostly for fun. Recently I solved the Sudoku problem,
and to test my solution I Googled for the world's most difficult problems.
The problem generally considered the world's most difficult took my code a
tad under 5 minutes to solve. Left to my own devices, it may have taken
years.

I have an old friend who is a gifted mathematician. He solved the Rubik's
Cube problem in five minutes, and did so without so much as touching a
physical cube. That kind of math is way beyond me, but he did it. (In this
context, a solution means, Given any actual configuration of a Rubik's
Cube, devise the sequence of moves to solve it.) If my understanding of
this problem is correct, so far humans can far outstrip algorithms to
derive a solution. Numerous people in the world can solve a given problem
within 30 seconds. How they do that is totally baffling to me. I accept
that I'm an old-timer.

I'm still working on the Chess problem, and am taking an approach radically
different than Big Blue, etc. I call it the Teleological Approach. The idea
in general is that given a knowledge of the Book of End Games, plus the
current position, I have to guide you into one of the known End Game
positions. This seems a more viable strategy than the Deep Blue brute-force
strategy. I'm some small percentage toward the implementation of this
strategy, but I'm working on it.

A.
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 18:01:45 2017
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 19:01:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Destroying form object causes Access 2013 to crash?
In-Reply-To: <190BE79D-5AE7-4368-BC0C-7666596EC6DF@gmail.com>
References: <190BE79D-5AE7-4368-BC0C-7666596EC6DF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAA_iUE_bCig7rAgOwC4ib+srC8kbZdLCuuNt-5Ev5tX8qysA-w@mail.gmail.com>

I'll look at it tonight. Can you email me your code?

On Jan 7, 2017 15:30, "Ryan W" <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:

> I revise my statement.  It seems to be something in the Control Scanner
> (or the Text or Cbo Class) doing it.  If I comment out the entire control
> scanner I can close the form crash free.
>
> I just copy and pasted those classes from John?s posts and everything
> compiles okay.. Not sure what changed as the classes ?work? when in the
> form but something about the scanner or the class instantiation causes the
> crash on close.
>
> One thing I do notice is that the clsTxt and clsCbo classes do not ever
> empty (?nothing?) the objects.  I assume (probably wrongfully?) that when
> you set mfrm = nothing it also destroys the class objects that it created?
>
>
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From wrwehler at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 18:04:44 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan Wehler)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 18:04:44 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Destroying form object causes Access 2013 to crash?
In-Reply-To: <CAA_iUE_bCig7rAgOwC4ib+srC8kbZdLCuuNt-5Ev5tX8qysA-w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <190BE79D-5AE7-4368-BC0C-7666596EC6DF@gmail.com>
	<CAA_iUE_bCig7rAgOwC4ib+srC8kbZdLCuuNt-5Ev5tX8qysA-w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3458AC18-9123-47BF-A2E5-F45E7BF3DD7A@gmail.com>

Do you want the whole accdb?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 7, 2017, at 6:01 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I'll look at it tonight. Can you email me your code?
> 
>> On Jan 7, 2017 15:30, "Ryan W" <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I revise my statement.  It seems to be something in the Control Scanner
>> (or the Text or Cbo Class) doing it.  If I comment out the entire control
>> scanner I can close the form crash free.
>> 
>> I just copy and pasted those classes from John?s posts and everything
>> compiles okay.. Not sure what changed as the classes ?work? when in the
>> form but something about the scanner or the class instantiation causes the
>> crash on close.
>> 
>> One thing I do notice is that the clsTxt and clsCbo classes do not ever
>> empty (?nothing?) the objects.  I assume (probably wrongfully?) that when
>> you set mfrm = nothing it also destroys the class objects that it created?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> 
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 18:14:40 2017
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 17:14:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Destroying form object causes Access 2013 to crash?
In-Reply-To: <3458AC18-9123-47BF-A2E5-F45E7BF3DD7A@gmail.com>
References: <190BE79D-5AE7-4368-BC0C-7666596EC6DF@gmail.com>
	<CAA_iUE_bCig7rAgOwC4ib+srC8kbZdLCuuNt-5Ev5tX8qysA-w@mail.gmail.com>
	<3458AC18-9123-47BF-A2E5-F45E7BF3DD7A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAZtbWFWidOdA-jWmRt5nk9WrR+naisXmZR01dwSbWvyCS+CyQ@mail.gmail.com>

Make sure you send it offlist. It won't make it through to the list.

Your friendly neighbourhood Listmaster,
Bryan

On 7 January 2017 at 17:04, Ryan Wehler <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
> Do you want the whole accdb?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 7, 2017, at 6:01 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'll look at it tonight. Can you email me your code?
>>
>>> On Jan 7, 2017 15:30, "Ryan W" <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I revise my statement.  It seems to be something in the Control Scanner
>>> (or the Text or Cbo Class) doing it.  If I comment out the entire control
>>> scanner I can close the form crash free.
>>>
>>> I just copy and pasted those classes from John?s posts and everything
>>> compiles okay.. Not sure what changed as the classes ?work? when in the
>>> form but something about the scanner or the class instantiation causes the
>>> crash on close.
>>>
>>> One thing I do notice is that the clsTxt and clsCbo classes do not ever
>>> empty (?nothing?) the objects.  I assume (probably wrongfully?) that when
>>> you set mfrm = nothing it also destroys the class objects that it created?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>> --
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>
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a
well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 18:19:58 2017
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 19:19:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Destroying form object causes Access 2013 to crash?
In-Reply-To: <190BE79D-5AE7-4368-BC0C-7666596EC6DF@gmail.com>
References: <190BE79D-5AE7-4368-BC0C-7666596EC6DF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAA_iUE_06TR7PBtnTf55HdOhndqyFVjm1GOHW9WEEQk8n7Bczg@mail.gmail.com>

Eachieve class should set the object it is wrapping to nothing.  I usually
do that in the class'  built in close (unload?) event.

On Jan 7, 2017 15:30, "Ryan W" <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:

> I revise my statement.  It seems to be something in the Control Scanner
> (or the Text or Cbo Class) doing it.  If I comment out the entire control
> scanner I can close the form crash free.
>
> I just copy and pasted those classes from John?s posts and everything
> compiles okay.. Not sure what changed as the classes ?work? when in the
> form but something about the scanner or the class instantiation causes the
> crash on close.
>
> One thing I do notice is that the clsTxt and clsCbo classes do not ever
> empty (?nothing?) the objects.  I assume (probably wrongfully?) that when
> you set mfrm = nothing it also destroys the class objects that it created?
>
>
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From wrwehler at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 18:20:08 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan Wehler)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 18:20:08 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Destroying form object causes Access 2013 to crash?
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWFWidOdA-jWmRt5nk9WrR+naisXmZR01dwSbWvyCS+CyQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <190BE79D-5AE7-4368-BC0C-7666596EC6DF@gmail.com>
	<CAA_iUE_bCig7rAgOwC4ib+srC8kbZdLCuuNt-5Ev5tX8qysA-w@mail.gmail.com>
	<3458AC18-9123-47BF-A2E5-F45E7BF3DD7A@gmail.com>
	<CAAZtbWFWidOdA-jWmRt5nk9WrR+naisXmZR01dwSbWvyCS+CyQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AE77BBAC-EC30-4D17-BD05-138FF0625255@gmail.com>

I figured. I sent it direct. Thanks!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 7, 2017, at 6:14 PM, Bryan Carbonnell <carbonnb at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Make sure you send it offlist. It won't make it through to the list.
> 
> Your friendly neighbourhood Listmaster,
> Bryan
> 
>> On 7 January 2017 at 17:04, Ryan Wehler <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Do you want the whole accdb?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 7, 2017, at 6:01 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'll look at it tonight. Can you email me your code?
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 7, 2017 15:30, "Ryan W" <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I revise my statement.  It seems to be something in the Control Scanner
>>>> (or the Text or Cbo Class) doing it.  If I comment out the entire control
>>>> scanner I can close the form crash free.
>>>> 
>>>> I just copy and pasted those classes from John?s posts and everything
>>>> compiles okay.. Not sure what changed as the classes ?work? when in the
>>>> form but something about the scanner or the class instantiation causes the
>>>> crash on close.
>>>> 
>>>> One thing I do notice is that the clsTxt and clsCbo classes do not ever
>>>> empty (?nothing?) the objects.  I assume (probably wrongfully?) that when
>>>> you set mfrm = nothing it also destroys the class objects that it created?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
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>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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>> 
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> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a
> well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
> shouting "What a great ride!"
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From wrwehler at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 18:32:44 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan Wehler)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 18:32:44 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Destroying form object causes Access 2013 to crash?
In-Reply-To: <CAA_iUE_06TR7PBtnTf55HdOhndqyFVjm1GOHW9WEEQk8n7Bczg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <190BE79D-5AE7-4368-BC0C-7666596EC6DF@gmail.com>
	<CAA_iUE_06TR7PBtnTf55HdOhndqyFVjm1GOHW9WEEQk8n7Bczg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E07F8032-8E26-4407-9ACE-9A0D2213F2B2@gmail.com>

On initialize they "nothing" themselves but there are no close or destroy/deactivate events for clsTxt and clsCbo unless I copied the wrong code. I got them right out of the archives Brian linked me to yesterday. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 7, 2017, at 6:19 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Eachieve class should set the object it is wrapping to nothing.  I usually
> do that in the class'  built in close (unload?) event.
> 
>> On Jan 7, 2017 15:30, "Ryan W" <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I revise my statement.  It seems to be something in the Control Scanner
>> (or the Text or Cbo Class) doing it.  If I comment out the entire control
>> scanner I can close the form crash free.
>> 
>> I just copy and pasted those classes from John?s posts and everything
>> compiles okay.. Not sure what changed as the classes ?work? when in the
>> form but something about the scanner or the class instantiation causes the
>> crash on close.
>> 
>> One thing I do notice is that the clsTxt and clsCbo classes do not ever
>> empty (?nothing?) the objects.  I assume (probably wrongfully?) that when
>> you set mfrm = nothing it also destroys the class objects that it created?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> 
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 19:07:58 2017
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 20:07:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Destroying form object causes Access 2013 to crash?
In-Reply-To: <3458AC18-9123-47BF-A2E5-F45E7BF3DD7A@gmail.com>
References: <190BE79D-5AE7-4368-BC0C-7666596EC6DF@gmail.com>
	<CAA_iUE_bCig7rAgOwC4ib+srC8kbZdLCuuNt-5Ev5tX8qysA-w@mail.gmail.com>
	<3458AC18-9123-47BF-A2E5-F45E7BF3DD7A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <587190EE.9090002@Gmail.com>

Sure, sent to me offline.  I assume that it is just my class example, 
not your own FE?

On 1/7/2017 7:04 PM, Ryan Wehler wrote:
> Do you want the whole accdb?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 7, 2017, at 6:01 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'll look at it tonight. Can you email me your code?
>>
>>> On Jan 7, 2017 15:30, "Ryan W" <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I revise my statement.  It seems to be something in the Control Scanner
>>> (or the Text or Cbo Class) doing it.  If I comment out the entire control
>>> scanner I can close the form crash free.
>>>
>>> I just copy and pasted those classes from John?s posts and everything
>>> compiles okay.. Not sure what changed as the classes ?work? when in the
>>> form but something about the scanner or the class instantiation causes the
>>> crash on close.
>>>
>>> One thing I do notice is that the clsTxt and clsCbo classes do not ever
>>> empty (?nothing?) the objects.  I assume (probably wrongfully?) that when
>>> you set mfrm = nothing it also destroys the class objects that it created?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>> -- 
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 19:09:51 2017
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 20:09:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Destroying form object causes Access 2013 to crash?
In-Reply-To: <E07F8032-8E26-4407-9ACE-9A0D2213F2B2@gmail.com>
References: <190BE79D-5AE7-4368-BC0C-7666596EC6DF@gmail.com>
	<CAA_iUE_06TR7PBtnTf55HdOhndqyFVjm1GOHW9WEEQk8n7Bczg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E07F8032-8E26-4407-9ACE-9A0D2213F2B2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5871915F.5060109@Gmail.com>

Zip the example db you are building and send it to me.  I'll look at it.

On 1/7/2017 7:32 PM, Ryan Wehler wrote:
> On initialize they "nothing" themselves but there are no close or destroy/deactivate events for clsTxt and clsCbo unless I copied the wrong code. I got them right out of the archives Brian linked me to yesterday.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 7, 2017, at 6:19 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Eachieve class should set the object it is wrapping to nothing.  I usually
>> do that in the class'  built in close (unload?) event.
>>
>>> On Jan 7, 2017 15:30, "Ryan W" <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I revise my statement.  It seems to be something in the Control Scanner
>>> (or the Text or Cbo Class) doing it.  If I comment out the entire control
>>> scanner I can close the form crash free.
>>>
>>> I just copy and pasted those classes from John?s posts and everything
>>> compiles okay.. Not sure what changed as the classes ?work? when in the
>>> form but something about the scanner or the class instantiation causes the
>>> crash on close.
>>>
>>> One thing I do notice is that the clsTxt and clsCbo classes do not ever
>>> empty (?nothing?) the objects.  I assume (probably wrongfully?) that when
>>> you set mfrm = nothing it also destroys the class objects that it created?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>> -- 
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>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

-- 
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From wrwehler at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 19:20:36 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan Wehler)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 19:20:36 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Destroying form object causes Access 2013 to crash?
In-Reply-To: <587190EE.9090002@Gmail.com>
References: <190BE79D-5AE7-4368-BC0C-7666596EC6DF@gmail.com>
	<CAA_iUE_bCig7rAgOwC4ib+srC8kbZdLCuuNt-5Ev5tX8qysA-w@mail.gmail.com>
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Correct just your class example. I sent it zipped to your personal email. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 7, 2017, at 7:07 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Sure, sent to me offline.  I assume that it is just my class example, not your own FE?
> 
>> On 1/7/2017 7:04 PM, Ryan Wehler wrote:
>> Do you want the whole accdb?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 7, 2017, at 6:01 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'll look at it tonight. Can you email me your code?
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 7, 2017 15:30, "Ryan W" <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I revise my statement.  It seems to be something in the Control Scanner
>>>> (or the Text or Cbo Class) doing it.  If I comment out the entire control
>>>> scanner I can close the form crash free.
>>>> 
>>>> I just copy and pasted those classes from John?s posts and everything
>>>> compiles okay.. Not sure what changed as the classes ?work? when in the
>>>> form but something about the scanner or the class instantiation causes the
>>>> crash on close.
>>>> 
>>>> One thing I do notice is that the clsTxt and clsCbo classes do not ever
>>>> empty (?nothing?) the objects.  I assume (probably wrongfully?) that when
>>>> you set mfrm = nothing it also destroys the class objects that it created?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
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>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>> 
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> 
> -- 
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> 
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 19:31:28 2017
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 20:31:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Destroying form object causes Access 2013 to crash?
In-Reply-To: <A47C2B4B-D766-48EF-8FB5-142486D28CF8@gmail.com>
References: <190BE79D-5AE7-4368-BC0C-7666596EC6DF@gmail.com>
	<CAA_iUE_bCig7rAgOwC4ib+srC8kbZdLCuuNt-5Ev5tX8qysA-w@mail.gmail.com>
	<3458AC18-9123-47BF-A2E5-F45E7BF3DD7A@gmail.com>
	<587190EE.9090002@Gmail.com>
	<A47C2B4B-D766-48EF-8FB5-142486D28CF8@gmail.com>
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not received yet.

On 1/7/2017 8:20 PM, Ryan Wehler wrote:
> Correct just your class example. I sent it zipped to your personal email.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jan 7, 2017, at 7:07 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Sure, sent to me offline.  I assume that it is just my class example, not your own FE?
>>
>>> On 1/7/2017 7:04 PM, Ryan Wehler wrote:
>>> Do you want the whole accdb?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Jan 7, 2017, at 6:01 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'll look at it tonight. Can you email me your code?
>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 7, 2017 15:30, "Ryan W" <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I revise my statement.  It seems to be something in the Control Scanner
>>>>> (or the Text or Cbo Class) doing it.  If I comment out the entire control
>>>>> scanner I can close the form crash free.
>>>>>
>>>>> I just copy and pasted those classes from John?s posts and everything
>>>>> compiles okay.. Not sure what changed as the classes ?work? when in the
>>>>> form but something about the scanner or the class instantiation causes the
>>>>> crash on close.
>>>>>
>>>>> One thing I do notice is that the clsTxt and clsCbo classes do not ever
>>>>> empty (?nothing?) the objects.  I assume (probably wrongfully?) that when
>>>>> you set mfrm = nothing it also destroys the class objects that it created?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> -- 
>> John W. Colby
>>
>> -- 
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>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

-- 
John W. Colby


From wrwehler at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 19:42:15 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan Wehler)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 19:42:15 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Destroying form object causes Access 2013 to crash?
In-Reply-To: <58719670.9020300@Gmail.com>
References: <190BE79D-5AE7-4368-BC0C-7666596EC6DF@gmail.com>
	<CAA_iUE_bCig7rAgOwC4ib+srC8kbZdLCuuNt-5Ev5tX8qysA-w@mail.gmail.com>
	<3458AC18-9123-47BF-A2E5-F45E7BF3DD7A@gmail.com>
	<587190EE.9090002@Gmail.com>
	<A47C2B4B-D766-48EF-8FB5-142486D28CF8@gmail.com>
	<58719670.9020300@Gmail.com>
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Hmm I sent it a while ago. I wonder if google filtered it out because of the contents inside the zip. I've seen that happen before. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 7, 2017, at 7:31 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> not received yet.
> 
>> On 1/7/2017 8:20 PM, Ryan Wehler wrote:
>> Correct just your class example. I sent it zipped to your personal email.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jan 7, 2017, at 7:07 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sure, sent to me offline.  I assume that it is just my class example, not your own FE?
>>> 
>>>> On 1/7/2017 7:04 PM, Ryan Wehler wrote:
>>>> Do you want the whole accdb?
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 7, 2017, at 6:01 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'll look at it tonight. Can you email me your code?
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 7, 2017 15:30, "Ryan W" <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I revise my statement.  It seems to be something in the Control Scanner
>>>>>> (or the Text or Cbo Class) doing it.  If I comment out the entire control
>>>>>> scanner I can close the form crash free.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I just copy and pasted those classes from John?s posts and everything
>>>>>> compiles okay.. Not sure what changed as the classes ?work? when in the
>>>>>> form but something about the scanner or the class instantiation causes the
>>>>>> crash on close.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> One thing I do notice is that the clsTxt and clsCbo classes do not ever
>>>>>> empty (?nothing?) the objects.  I assume (probably wrongfully?) that when
>>>>>> you set mfrm = nothing it also destroys the class objects that it created?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>> -- 
>>> John W. Colby
>>> 
>>> -- 
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>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> 
> -- 
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> 
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From wrwehler at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 19:49:38 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan W)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 19:49:38 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Destroying form object causes Access 2013 to crash?
In-Reply-To: <22837EA1-B2E1-4DE9-8CE9-F28CB37B05D3@gmail.com>
References: <190BE79D-5AE7-4368-BC0C-7666596EC6DF@gmail.com>
	<CAA_iUE_bCig7rAgOwC4ib+srC8kbZdLCuuNt-5Ev5tX8qysA-w@mail.gmail.com>
	<3458AC18-9123-47BF-A2E5-F45E7BF3DD7A@gmail.com>
	<587190EE.9090002@Gmail.com>
	<A47C2B4B-D766-48EF-8FB5-142486D28CF8@gmail.com>
	<58719670.9020300@Gmail.com>
	<22837EA1-B2E1-4DE9-8CE9-F28CB37B05D3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFXiSd9qrUqh=Q83UF-dSdQiiTGpbCTnsn9kUuYDfzdkCSkE1Q@mail.gmail.com>

I sent it up to my google drive and sent you a test email and a link to the
shared file (separate emails) to make sure at least something gets
through.  Sorry for the trouble and multiple emails.

From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 20:01:59 2017
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 21:01:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Destroying form object causes Access 2013 to crash?
In-Reply-To: <CAFXiSd9qrUqh=Q83UF-dSdQiiTGpbCTnsn9kUuYDfzdkCSkE1Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <190BE79D-5AE7-4368-BC0C-7666596EC6DF@gmail.com>
	<CAA_iUE_bCig7rAgOwC4ib+srC8kbZdLCuuNt-5Ev5tX8qysA-w@mail.gmail.com>
	<3458AC18-9123-47BF-A2E5-F45E7BF3DD7A@gmail.com>
	<587190EE.9090002@Gmail.com>
	<A47C2B4B-D766-48EF-8FB5-142486D28CF8@gmail.com>
	<58719670.9020300@Gmail.com>
	<22837EA1-B2E1-4DE9-8CE9-F28CB37B05D3@gmail.com>
	<CAFXiSd9qrUqh=Q83UF-dSdQiiTGpbCTnsn9kUuYDfzdkCSkE1Q@mail.gmail.com>
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can you save it in a backwards compatible database container?  My copy 
of Access does not like the Accdb.

On 1/7/2017 8:49 PM, Ryan W wrote:
> I sent it up to my google drive and sent you a test email and a link to the
> shared file (separate emails) to make sure at least something gets
> through.  Sorry for the trouble and multiple emails.

-- 
John W. Colby


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Jan  8 06:27:18 2017
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 07:27:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Destroying form object causes Access 2013 to crash?
In-Reply-To: <58719D97.3030403@Gmail.com>
References: <190BE79D-5AE7-4368-BC0C-7666596EC6DF@gmail.com>
	<CAA_iUE_bCig7rAgOwC4ib+srC8kbZdLCuuNt-5Ev5tX8qysA-w@mail.gmail.com>
	<3458AC18-9123-47BF-A2E5-F45E7BF3DD7A@gmail.com>
	<587190EE.9090002@Gmail.com>
	<A47C2B4B-D766-48EF-8FB5-142486D28CF8@gmail.com>
	<58719670.9020300@Gmail.com>
	<22837EA1-B2E1-4DE9-8CE9-F28CB37B05D3@gmail.com>
	<CAFXiSd9qrUqh=Q83UF-dSdQiiTGpbCTnsn9kUuYDfzdkCSkE1Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<58719D97.3030403@Gmail.com>
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Ryan,

I'd like a copy as well.

Arthur
?

From wrwehler at gmail.com  Sun Jan  8 08:02:02 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan Wehler)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 08:02:02 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Destroying form object causes Access 2013 to crash?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1j9vhrgzPrZ6nrV=WLyZMvBafvw7FBb08MLiLFkbi5Ppw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <190BE79D-5AE7-4368-BC0C-7666596EC6DF@gmail.com>
	<CAA_iUE_bCig7rAgOwC4ib+srC8kbZdLCuuNt-5Ev5tX8qysA-w@mail.gmail.com>
	<3458AC18-9123-47BF-A2E5-F45E7BF3DD7A@gmail.com>
	<587190EE.9090002@Gmail.com>
	<A47C2B4B-D766-48EF-8FB5-142486D28CF8@gmail.com>
	<58719670.9020300@Gmail.com>
	<22837EA1-B2E1-4DE9-8CE9-F28CB37B05D3@gmail.com>
	<CAFXiSd9qrUqh=Q83UF-dSdQiiTGpbCTnsn9kUuYDfzdkCSkE1Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<58719D97.3030403@Gmail.com>
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Sure thing. I sent it over. :)

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 8, 2017, at 6:27 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Ryan,
> 
> I'd like a copy as well.
> 
> Arthur
> ?
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Sun Jan  8 12:04:16 2017
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 10:04:16 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
In-Reply-To: <AD4A1B7C-9B48-40DA-A053-0B8BDDA0CB69@gmail.com>
References: <EB6C18AE-D1EF-467E-AEB0-E6ACB7E8D12E@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met9Z8WgFkzT8HXU9ya=Oz3LvwTMdJb3830C+Zrd50S+LWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<C405C110827C41C3803610E78027866E@XPS>
	<AD4A1B7C-9B48-40DA-A053-0B8BDDA0CB69@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met-tapWfbBvSnWA-Lac8tSN9LzW-hLBwLAg5i6BU1YRf_w@mail.gmail.com>

Take a hard look at navigation forms.  This is precisely what they do,
allow you to jump back and forth, loading and unloading the subforms as you
go.  I use them extensively, and while they require more attention and do
not sink subform events, they vastly improve the speed of the application.

Charlotte Foust
916-206-4336

On Jan 6, 2017 5:19 AM, "Ryan Wehler" <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:

> We don't necessarily need a bazillion forms open at once. We are usually
> working in one at a time but the ability to jump back and forth with tabs
> is enticing to me and my users. Unfortunately once a few are open and
> anything complex is attempted I get an out of resources message
>
> If I monitor virtual memory via access I can see with. Irving but my base
> form open we are trending on 800MB MEMORY used. Open a few forms and we are
> at 1.2 GB. By the time we hit 1.4-1.5GB is about when the out of resource
> messages come piling in.
>
>
> Carlotte,
>
> Rather than just blast my design (which had worked just fine up until
> moving to access 2013) why don't you tell me some "good design principles"
> you have and I can tell you I probably already follow 90% or more of them.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 6, 2017, at 5:52 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Actually, many forms is not even a good reason.
> >
> > Nothing in Access for 64 bit is different than the 32 bit version.  All
> the
> > internal constraints are still there (like 2048 table ID's).
> >
> > The only reason to use 64 bit Office is if you need:
> > 1. Very large spreadsheets in Excel
> > 2. Very large projects in MS Project
> > 3. Very large projects in Visio.
> >
> > If you don't need that, then there's no reason to use it and a lot of
> > reasons not to (lack of drivers and 3rd party support).
> >
> > Microsoft still recommends 32 bit for just about everyone and
> > unfortunately, Ryan is on the bleeding edge, because very few are using
> 64
> > bit because of the above.
> >
> > Jim.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Charlotte Foust
> > Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 01:10 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
> >
> > IMO that's a pretty poor reason to go to 64-bit Office.  If the design
> were
> > better, you wouldn't need a bazillion forms open simultaneously.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> > (916) 206-4336
> >
> >> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Ryan Wehler <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello Listers!
> >>
> >> Has anyone migrated their app to 64 bit only?
> >>
> >> I've recently started migrating from Office 2003 to Office 2013 (what we
> >> have licensed). I've been testing and upgrading and learning about
> ribbons
> >> and finding code that doesn't work well under 2013 that worked
> previously.
> >>
> >> The one problem I'm consistently running into is if I have more than a
> >> couple forms open I start getting "Resource Limit Exceeded" messages.
> From
> >> what I gather, this is usually the 32 bit Virtual Memory limit (2GB)
> >> running 32 bit applications on a 64 bit operating system.
> >>
> >> If I run Access 2013 64 bit (In a virtual machine) I can open as many
> tabs
> >> as my heart desires (I opened so many forms up in my app that my tab bar
> >> had scroll arrows!) and not a peep about resource problems.
> >>
> >> I did some of the stuff suggested out on the web like make sure objects
> >> get closed and set to 'nothing' when they aren't needed (which there
> >> weren't many places that wasn't happening anyway)... and even tried
> > running
> >> msaccess.exe in XP compatibility mode (which was what someone suggested
> to
> >> get around this).
> >>
> >> Access 2013 is fully patched and I've tried a number of hot fixes and
> >> registry tweaks posted by both MS and other users on the web to no avail
> > as
> >> well.
> >>
> >> None of that's worked... so I'm debating moving my users in house (the
> >> only place I have to support) to 64 bit Office or Access runtime where
> >> applicable. I've already modified all my API calls to to be PtrSafe and
> >> kept some compiler constant if/then/else statements in place in case I
> >> *HAVE* to run 32 bit somewhere (but then I'll need a way to compile the
> 32
> >> bit accde file... *sigh*)
> >>
> >> In short / TL;DR: Has anyone moved exclusively to 64 bit and what
> problems
> >> did you face and are you happy overall with doing so?
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From wrwehler at gmail.com  Sun Jan  8 12:35:58 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan Wehler)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 12:35:58 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met-tapWfbBvSnWA-Lac8tSN9LzW-hLBwLAg5i6BU1YRf_w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EB6C18AE-D1EF-467E-AEB0-E6ACB7E8D12E@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met9Z8WgFkzT8HXU9ya=Oz3LvwTMdJb3830C+Zrd50S+LWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<C405C110827C41C3803610E78027866E@XPS>
	<AD4A1B7C-9B48-40DA-A053-0B8BDDA0CB69@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met-tapWfbBvSnWA-Lac8tSN9LzW-hLBwLAg5i6BU1YRf_w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D879A556-35E4-4587-A869-7C156F3243F1@gmail.com>

Yeah I know. These controls were here before navigation forms were. 

To migrate everything might be painful.... I've thought about it more than once. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 8, 2017, at 12:04 PM, Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Take a hard look at navigation forms.  This is precisely what they do,
> allow you to jump back and forth, loading and unloading the subforms as you
> go.  I use them extensively, and while they require more attention and do
> not sink subform events, they vastly improve the speed of the application.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 916-206-4336
> 
>> On Jan 6, 2017 5:19 AM, "Ryan Wehler" <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> We don't necessarily need a bazillion forms open at once. We are usually
>> working in one at a time but the ability to jump back and forth with tabs
>> is enticing to me and my users. Unfortunately once a few are open and
>> anything complex is attempted I get an out of resources message
>> 
>> If I monitor virtual memory via access I can see with. Irving but my base
>> form open we are trending on 800MB MEMORY used. Open a few forms and we are
>> at 1.2 GB. By the time we hit 1.4-1.5GB is about when the out of resource
>> messages come piling in.
>> 
>> 
>> Carlotte,
>> 
>> Rather than just blast my design (which had worked just fine up until
>> moving to access 2013) why don't you tell me some "good design principles"
>> you have and I can tell you I probably already follow 90% or more of them.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 6, 2017, at 5:52 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Actually, many forms is not even a good reason.
>>> 
>>> Nothing in Access for 64 bit is different than the 32 bit version.  All
>> the
>>> internal constraints are still there (like 2048 table ID's).
>>> 
>>> The only reason to use 64 bit Office is if you need:
>>> 1. Very large spreadsheets in Excel
>>> 2. Very large projects in MS Project
>>> 3. Very large projects in Visio.
>>> 
>>> If you don't need that, then there's no reason to use it and a lot of
>>> reasons not to (lack of drivers and 3rd party support).
>>> 
>>> Microsoft still recommends 32 bit for just about everyone and
>>> unfortunately, Ryan is on the bleeding edge, because very few are using
>> 64
>>> bit because of the above.
>>> 
>>> Jim.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Charlotte Foust
>>> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 01:10 AM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
>>> 
>>> IMO that's a pretty poor reason to go to 64-bit Office.  If the design
>> were
>>> better, you wouldn't need a bazillion forms open simultaneously.
>>> 
>>> Charlotte Foust
>>> (916) 206-4336
>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Ryan Wehler <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Listers!
>>>> 
>>>> Has anyone migrated their app to 64 bit only?
>>>> 
>>>> I've recently started migrating from Office 2003 to Office 2013 (what we
>>>> have licensed). I've been testing and upgrading and learning about
>> ribbons
>>>> and finding code that doesn't work well under 2013 that worked
>> previously.
>>>> 
>>>> The one problem I'm consistently running into is if I have more than a
>>>> couple forms open I start getting "Resource Limit Exceeded" messages.
>> From
>>>> what I gather, this is usually the 32 bit Virtual Memory limit (2GB)
>>>> running 32 bit applications on a 64 bit operating system.
>>>> 
>>>> If I run Access 2013 64 bit (In a virtual machine) I can open as many
>> tabs
>>>> as my heart desires (I opened so many forms up in my app that my tab bar
>>>> had scroll arrows!) and not a peep about resource problems.
>>>> 
>>>> I did some of the stuff suggested out on the web like make sure objects
>>>> get closed and set to 'nothing' when they aren't needed (which there
>>>> weren't many places that wasn't happening anyway)... and even tried
>>> running
>>>> msaccess.exe in XP compatibility mode (which was what someone suggested
>> to
>>>> get around this).
>>>> 
>>>> Access 2013 is fully patched and I've tried a number of hot fixes and
>>>> registry tweaks posted by both MS and other users on the web to no avail
>>> as
>>>> well.
>>>> 
>>>> None of that's worked... so I'm debating moving my users in house (the
>>>> only place I have to support) to 64 bit Office or Access runtime where
>>>> applicable. I've already modified all my API calls to to be PtrSafe and
>>>> kept some compiler constant if/then/else statements in place in case I
>>>> *HAVE* to run 32 bit somewhere (but then I'll need a way to compile the
>> 32
>>>> bit accde file... *sigh*)
>>>> 
>>>> In short / TL;DR: Has anyone moved exclusively to 64 bit and what
>> problems
>>>> did you face and are you happy overall with doing so?
>>>> --
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>>>> 
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>> 
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From wrwehler at gmail.com  Sun Jan  8 12:35:58 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan Wehler)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 12:35:58 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met-tapWfbBvSnWA-Lac8tSN9LzW-hLBwLAg5i6BU1YRf_w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EB6C18AE-D1EF-467E-AEB0-E6ACB7E8D12E@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met9Z8WgFkzT8HXU9ya=Oz3LvwTMdJb3830C+Zrd50S+LWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<C405C110827C41C3803610E78027866E@XPS>
	<AD4A1B7C-9B48-40DA-A053-0B8BDDA0CB69@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met-tapWfbBvSnWA-Lac8tSN9LzW-hLBwLAg5i6BU1YRf_w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D879A556-35E4-4587-A869-7C156F3243F1@gmail.com>

Yeah I know. These controls were here before navigation forms were. 

To migrate everything might be painful.... I've thought about it more than once. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 8, 2017, at 12:04 PM, Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Take a hard look at navigation forms.  This is precisely what they do,
> allow you to jump back and forth, loading and unloading the subforms as you
> go.  I use them extensively, and while they require more attention and do
> not sink subform events, they vastly improve the speed of the application.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 916-206-4336
> 
>> On Jan 6, 2017 5:19 AM, "Ryan Wehler" <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> We don't necessarily need a bazillion forms open at once. We are usually
>> working in one at a time but the ability to jump back and forth with tabs
>> is enticing to me and my users. Unfortunately once a few are open and
>> anything complex is attempted I get an out of resources message
>> 
>> If I monitor virtual memory via access I can see with. Irving but my base
>> form open we are trending on 800MB MEMORY used. Open a few forms and we are
>> at 1.2 GB. By the time we hit 1.4-1.5GB is about when the out of resource
>> messages come piling in.
>> 
>> 
>> Carlotte,
>> 
>> Rather than just blast my design (which had worked just fine up until
>> moving to access 2013) why don't you tell me some "good design principles"
>> you have and I can tell you I probably already follow 90% or more of them.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 6, 2017, at 5:52 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Actually, many forms is not even a good reason.
>>> 
>>> Nothing in Access for 64 bit is different than the 32 bit version.  All
>> the
>>> internal constraints are still there (like 2048 table ID's).
>>> 
>>> The only reason to use 64 bit Office is if you need:
>>> 1. Very large spreadsheets in Excel
>>> 2. Very large projects in MS Project
>>> 3. Very large projects in Visio.
>>> 
>>> If you don't need that, then there's no reason to use it and a lot of
>>> reasons not to (lack of drivers and 3rd party support).
>>> 
>>> Microsoft still recommends 32 bit for just about everyone and
>>> unfortunately, Ryan is on the bleeding edge, because very few are using
>> 64
>>> bit because of the above.
>>> 
>>> Jim.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Charlotte Foust
>>> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 01:10 AM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
>>> 
>>> IMO that's a pretty poor reason to go to 64-bit Office.  If the design
>> were
>>> better, you wouldn't need a bazillion forms open simultaneously.
>>> 
>>> Charlotte Foust
>>> (916) 206-4336
>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Ryan Wehler <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Listers!
>>>> 
>>>> Has anyone migrated their app to 64 bit only?
>>>> 
>>>> I've recently started migrating from Office 2003 to Office 2013 (what we
>>>> have licensed). I've been testing and upgrading and learning about
>> ribbons
>>>> and finding code that doesn't work well under 2013 that worked
>> previously.
>>>> 
>>>> The one problem I'm consistently running into is if I have more than a
>>>> couple forms open I start getting "Resource Limit Exceeded" messages.
>> From
>>>> what I gather, this is usually the 32 bit Virtual Memory limit (2GB)
>>>> running 32 bit applications on a 64 bit operating system.
>>>> 
>>>> If I run Access 2013 64 bit (In a virtual machine) I can open as many
>> tabs
>>>> as my heart desires (I opened so many forms up in my app that my tab bar
>>>> had scroll arrows!) and not a peep about resource problems.
>>>> 
>>>> I did some of the stuff suggested out on the web like make sure objects
>>>> get closed and set to 'nothing' when they aren't needed (which there
>>>> weren't many places that wasn't happening anyway)... and even tried
>>> running
>>>> msaccess.exe in XP compatibility mode (which was what someone suggested
>> to
>>>> get around this).
>>>> 
>>>> Access 2013 is fully patched and I've tried a number of hot fixes and
>>>> registry tweaks posted by both MS and other users on the web to no avail
>>> as
>>>> well.
>>>> 
>>>> None of that's worked... so I'm debating moving my users in house (the
>>>> only place I have to support) to 64 bit Office or Access runtime where
>>>> applicable. I've already modified all my API calls to to be PtrSafe and
>>>> kept some compiler constant if/then/else statements in place in case I
>>>> *HAVE* to run 32 bit somewhere (but then I'll need a way to compile the
>> 32
>>>> bit accde file... *sigh*)
>>>> 
>>>> In short / TL;DR: Has anyone moved exclusively to 64 bit and what
>> problems
>>>> did you face and are you happy overall with doing so?
>>>> --
>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>> 
>>> --
>>> AccessD mailing list
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>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>> 
>>> --
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>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> 
>> --
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>> 
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sun Jan  8 15:00:33 2017
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 16:00:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] third party error code builder and other stuff
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met-tapWfbBvSnWA-Lac8tSN9LzW-hLBwLAg5i6BU1YRf_w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EB6C18AE-D1EF-467E-AEB0-E6ACB7E8D12E@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met9Z8WgFkzT8HXU9ya=Oz3LvwTMdJb3830C+Zrd50S+LWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<C405C110827C41C3803610E78027866E@XPS>
	<AD4A1B7C-9B48-40DA-A053-0B8BDDA0CB69@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met-tapWfbBvSnWA-Lac8tSN9LzW-hLBwLAg5i6BU1YRf_w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5872A871.5020206@Gmail.com>

What is the name of the extension we all use for adding error code and 
other things using keyboard shortcuts?  Freeware for Access (pmt 
suggested) not free for other environments.

I am just not finding it using any of my google searches, nor in my 
saved stuff.

-- John W. Colby

From wrwehler at gmail.com  Sun Jan  8 15:06:17 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan Wehler)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 15:06:17 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] third party error code builder and other stuff
In-Reply-To: <5872A871.5020206@Gmail.com>
References: <EB6C18AE-D1EF-467E-AEB0-E6ACB7E8D12E@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met9Z8WgFkzT8HXU9ya=Oz3LvwTMdJb3830C+Zrd50S+LWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<C405C110827C41C3803610E78027866E@XPS>
	<AD4A1B7C-9B48-40DA-A053-0B8BDDA0CB69@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met-tapWfbBvSnWA-Lac8tSN9LzW-hLBwLAg5i6BU1YRf_w@mail.gmail.com>
	<5872A871.5020206@Gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FA900EBA-1D7E-4FB1-8BAF-5937C6E6C03B@gmail.com>

Mz-tools and it's no longer free, period

I have an old version saved I can email you tomorrow. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 8, 2017, at 3:00 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> What is the name of the extension we all use for adding error code and other things using keyboard shortcuts?  Freeware for Access (pmt suggested) not free for other environments.
> 
> I am just not finding it using any of my google searches, nor in my saved stuff.
> 
> -- John W. Colby
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Sun Jan  8 15:39:30 2017
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 10:39:30 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] third party error code builder and other stuff
In-Reply-To: <5872A871.5020206@Gmail.com>
References: <EB6C18AE-D1EF-467E-AEB0-E6ACB7E8D12E@gmail.com>	<CAH+Met9Z8WgFkzT8HXU9ya=Oz3LvwTMdJb3830C+Zrd50S+LWA@mail.gmail.com>	<C405C110827C41C3803610E78027866E@XPS>	<AD4A1B7C-9B48-40DA-A053-0B8BDDA0CB69@gmail.com>	<CAH+Met-tapWfbBvSnWA-Lac8tSN9LzW-hLBwLAg5i6BU1YRf_w@mail.gmail.com>
	<5872A871.5020206@Gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001c01d269f7$b1b0fa90$1512efb0$@dalyn.co.nz>

Hi John,

I use the Code Commenter and Error Handler Add-in.  It is available from the
Module window .. Addin Manager.  It is free :)

You can set up your own templates.

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
John Colby
Sent: Monday, 9 January 2017 10:01 a.m.
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] third party error code builder and other stuff

What is the name of the extension we all use for adding error code and other
things using keyboard shortcuts?  Freeware for Access (pmt
suggested) not free for other environments.

I am just not finding it using any of my google searches, nor in my saved
stuff.

-- John W. Colby
--
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sun Jan  8 15:51:37 2017
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 16:51:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] third party error code builder and other stuff
In-Reply-To: <001c01d269f7$b1b0fa90$1512efb0$@dalyn.co.nz>
References: <EB6C18AE-D1EF-467E-AEB0-E6ACB7E8D12E@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met9Z8WgFkzT8HXU9ya=Oz3LvwTMdJb3830C+Zrd50S+LWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<C405C110827C41C3803610E78027866E@XPS>
	<AD4A1B7C-9B48-40DA-A053-0B8BDDA0CB69@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met-tapWfbBvSnWA-Lac8tSN9LzW-hLBwLAg5i6BU1YRf_w@mail.gmail.com>
	<5872A871.5020206@Gmail.com>
	<001c01d269f7$b1b0fa90$1512efb0$@dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <5872B469.8060709@Gmail.com>

MZ-Tools is what I was thinking of.  I bought version 3 long ago, 
however it is no longer installed.  I reinstalled it (I think) and I am 
trying to  use it with Access 7 and it is not showing up.  No se por 
que.  :(

I am also not seeing the code commenter and error handler add-in. No 
add-ins in fact.

On 1/8/2017 4:39 PM, David Emerson wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> I use the Code Commenter and Error Handler Add-in.  It is available from the
> Module window .. Addin Manager.  It is free :)
>
> You can set up your own templates.
>
> Regards
>
> David Emerson
> Dalyn Software Ltd
> Wellington, New Zealand
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> John Colby
> Sent: Monday, 9 January 2017 10:01 a.m.
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] third party error code builder and other stuff
>
> What is the name of the extension we all use for adding error code and other
> things using keyboard shortcuts?  Freeware for Access (pmt
> suggested) not free for other environments.
>
> I am just not finding it using any of my google searches, nor in my saved
> stuff.
>
> -- John W. Colby
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>

-- 
John W. Colby


From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Sun Jan  8 16:27:14 2017
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 11:27:14 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] third party error code builder and other stuff
In-Reply-To: <5872B469.8060709@Gmail.com>
References: <EB6C18AE-D1EF-467E-AEB0-E6ACB7E8D12E@gmail.com>	<CAH+Met9Z8WgFkzT8HXU9ya=Oz3LvwTMdJb3830C+Zrd50S+LWA@mail.gmail.com>	<C405C110827C41C3803610E78027866E@XPS>	<AD4A1B7C-9B48-40DA-A053-0B8BDDA0CB69@gmail.com>	<CAH+Met-tapWfbBvSnWA-Lac8tSN9LzW-hLBwLAg5i6BU1YRf_w@mail.gmail.com>	<5872A871.5020206@Gmail.com>	<001c01d269f7$b1b0fa90$1512efb0$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<5872B469.8060709@Gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002601d269fe$5d18ed10$174ac730$@dalyn.co.nz>

John,

Just confirming you are looking from within a Module window and not the
Access Window.  Both have Addins in the toolbars but only the Modules window
(where you edit your code) has the Code Commenter.  This is Access 2010 (not
sure about other versions).

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand




-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
John Colby
Sent: Monday, 9 January 2017 10:52 a.m.
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] third party error code builder and other stuff

MZ-Tools is what I was thinking of.  I bought version 3 long ago, however it
is no longer installed.  I reinstalled it (I think) and I am trying to  use
it with Access 7 and it is not showing up.  No se por que.  :(

I am also not seeing the code commenter and error handler add-in. No add-ins
in fact.

On 1/8/2017 4:39 PM, David Emerson wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> I use the Code Commenter and Error Handler Add-in.  It is available 
> from the Module window .. Addin Manager.  It is free :)
>
> You can set up your own templates.
>
> Regards
>
> David Emerson
> Dalyn Software Ltd
> Wellington, New Zealand
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of John Colby
> Sent: Monday, 9 January 2017 10:01 a.m.
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] third party error code builder and other stuff
>
> What is the name of the extension we all use for adding error code and 
> other things using keyboard shortcuts?  Freeware for Access (pmt
> suggested) not free for other environments.
>
> I am just not finding it using any of my google searches, nor in my 
> saved stuff.
>
> -- John W. Colby
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>

--
John W. Colby

--
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sun Jan  8 18:32:42 2017
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 19:32:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] third party error code builder and other stuff
In-Reply-To: <002601d269fe$5d18ed10$174ac730$@dalyn.co.nz>
References: <EB6C18AE-D1EF-467E-AEB0-E6ACB7E8D12E@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met9Z8WgFkzT8HXU9ya=Oz3LvwTMdJb3830C+Zrd50S+LWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<C405C110827C41C3803610E78027866E@XPS>
	<AD4A1B7C-9B48-40DA-A053-0B8BDDA0CB69@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met-tapWfbBvSnWA-Lac8tSN9LzW-hLBwLAg5i6BU1YRf_w@mail.gmail.com>
	<5872A871.5020206@Gmail.com>
	<001c01d269f7$b1b0fa90$1512efb0$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<5872B469.8060709@Gmail.com>
	<002601d269fe$5d18ed10$174ac730$@dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <5872DA2A.4090403@Gmail.com>

Yes, from the code window.

On 1/8/2017 5:27 PM, David Emerson wrote:
> John,
>
> Just confirming you are looking from within a Module window and not the
> Access Window.  Both have Addins in the toolbars but only the Modules window
> (where you edit your code) has the Code Commenter.  This is Access 2010 (not
> sure about other versions).
>
> Regards
>
> David Emerson
> Dalyn Software Ltd
> Wellington, New Zealand
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> John Colby
> Sent: Monday, 9 January 2017 10:52 a.m.
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] third party error code builder and other stuff
>
> MZ-Tools is what I was thinking of.  I bought version 3 long ago, however it
> is no longer installed.  I reinstalled it (I think) and I am trying to  use
> it with Access 7 and it is not showing up.  No se por que.  :(
>
> I am also not seeing the code commenter and error handler add-in. No add-ins
> in fact.
>
> On 1/8/2017 4:39 PM, David Emerson wrote:
>> Hi John,
>>
>> I use the Code Commenter and Error Handler Add-in.  It is available
>> from the Module window .. Addin Manager.  It is free :)
>>
>> You can set up your own templates.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> David Emerson
>> Dalyn Software Ltd
>> Wellington, New Zealand
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
>> Of John Colby
>> Sent: Monday, 9 January 2017 10:01 a.m.
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] third party error code builder and other stuff
>>
>> What is the name of the extension we all use for adding error code and
>> other things using keyboard shortcuts?  Freeware for Access (pmt
>> suggested) not free for other environments.
>>
>> I am just not finding it using any of my google searches, nor in my
>> saved stuff.
>>
>> -- John W. Colby
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
> --
> John W. Colby
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>

-- 
John W. Colby


From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Sun Jan  8 19:07:12 2017
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 14:07:12 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] third party error code builder and other stuff
In-Reply-To: <5872DA2A.4090403@Gmail.com>
References: <EB6C18AE-D1EF-467E-AEB0-E6ACB7E8D12E@gmail.com>	<CAH+Met9Z8WgFkzT8HXU9ya=Oz3LvwTMdJb3830C+Zrd50S+LWA@mail.gmail.com>	<C405C110827C41C3803610E78027866E@XPS>	<AD4A1B7C-9B48-40DA-A053-0B8BDDA0CB69@gmail.com>	<CAH+Met-tapWfbBvSnWA-Lac8tSN9LzW-hLBwLAg5i6BU1YRf_w@mail.gmail.com>	<5872A871.5020206@Gmail.com>	<001c01d269f7$b1b0fa90$1512efb0$@dalyn.co.nz>	<5872B469.8060709@Gmail.com>	<002601d269fe$5d18ed10$174ac730$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<5872DA2A.4090403@Gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004001d26a14$b5a1b690$20e523b0$@dalyn.co.nz>

I just assumed it was part of the standard Access install.  With a bit of
research I found that it needs to be installed.  Here are the details:

https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=qtxT7u4QzYgC&pg=PA497&lpg=PA497&dq=Acces
s+add-in+code+commenter+and+error+handler&source=bl&ots=d9DB93EhSo&sig=4iqQy
zg_VvBHiJ3QMWENOxojC-M&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjx-7GV77PRAhVrlVQKHV4XBB8Q6AEIL
DAD#v=onepage&q=Access%20add-in%20code%20commenter%20and%20error%20handler&f
=false

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
John Colby
Sent: Monday, 9 January 2017 1:33 p.m.
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] third party error code builder and other stuff

Yes, from the code window.

On 1/8/2017 5:27 PM, David Emerson wrote:
> John,
>
> Just confirming you are looking from within a Module window and not 
> the Access Window.  Both have Addins in the toolbars but only the 
> Modules window (where you edit your code) has the Code Commenter.  
> This is Access 2010 (not sure about other versions).
>
> Regards
>
> David Emerson
> Dalyn Software Ltd
> Wellington, New Zealand
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of John Colby
> Sent: Monday, 9 January 2017 10:52 a.m.
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] third party error code builder and other stuff
>
> MZ-Tools is what I was thinking of.  I bought version 3 long ago, 
> however it is no longer installed.  I reinstalled it (I think) and I 
> am trying to  use it with Access 7 and it is not showing up.  No se 
> por que.  :(
>
> I am also not seeing the code commenter and error handler add-in. No 
> add-ins in fact.
>
> On 1/8/2017 4:39 PM, David Emerson wrote:
>> Hi John,
>>
>> I use the Code Commenter and Error Handler Add-in.  It is available 
>> from the Module window .. Addin Manager.  It is free :)
>>
>> You can set up your own templates.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> David Emerson
>> Dalyn Software Ltd
>> Wellington, New Zealand
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
>> Of John Colby
>> Sent: Monday, 9 January 2017 10:01 a.m.
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] third party error code builder and other stuff
>>
>> What is the name of the extension we all use for adding error code 
>> and other things using keyboard shortcuts?  Freeware for Access (pmt
>> suggested) not free for other environments.
>>
>> I am just not finding it using any of my google searches, nor in my 
>> saved stuff.
>>
>> -- John W. Colby
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
> --
> John W. Colby
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>

--
John W. Colby

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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Sun Jan  8 20:42:10 2017
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 18:42:10 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] third party error code builder and other stuff
In-Reply-To: <5872DA2A.4090403@Gmail.com>
References: <EB6C18AE-D1EF-467E-AEB0-E6ACB7E8D12E@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met9Z8WgFkzT8HXU9ya=Oz3LvwTMdJb3830C+Zrd50S+LWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<C405C110827C41C3803610E78027866E@XPS>
	<AD4A1B7C-9B48-40DA-A053-0B8BDDA0CB69@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met-tapWfbBvSnWA-Lac8tSN9LzW-hLBwLAg5i6BU1YRf_w@mail.gmail.com>
	<5872A871.5020206@Gmail.com>
	<001c01d269f7$b1b0fa90$1512efb0$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<5872B469.8060709@Gmail.com>
	<002601d269fe$5d18ed10$174ac730$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<5872DA2A.4090403@Gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met8Pj2sa8ECXVKynh6XDvsfzSXOY7hMGgjD1=zBOKNOF+w@mail.gmail.com>

John,

Buy the paid version.  It's cheap and it has lots of bells and whistles and
works through 2016.  It gets better with every release.

Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 4:32 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes, from the code window.
>
>
> On 1/8/2017 5:27 PM, David Emerson wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> Just confirming you are looking from within a Module window and not the
>> Access Window.  Both have Addins in the toolbars but only the Modules
>> window
>> (where you edit your code) has the Code Commenter.  This is Access 2010
>> (not
>> sure about other versions).
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> David Emerson
>> Dalyn Software Ltd
>> Wellington, New Zealand
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> John Colby
>> Sent: Monday, 9 January 2017 10:52 a.m.
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] third party error code builder and other stuff
>>
>> MZ-Tools is what I was thinking of.  I bought version 3 long ago, however
>> it
>> is no longer installed.  I reinstalled it (I think) and I am trying to
>> use
>> it with Access 7 and it is not showing up.  No se por que.  :(
>>
>> I am also not seeing the code commenter and error handler add-in. No
>> add-ins
>> in fact.
>>
>> On 1/8/2017 4:39 PM, David Emerson wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John,
>>>
>>> I use the Code Commenter and Error Handler Add-in.  It is available
>>> from the Module window .. Addin Manager.  It is free :)
>>>
>>> You can set up your own templates.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> David Emerson
>>> Dalyn Software Ltd
>>> Wellington, New Zealand
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
>>> Of John Colby
>>> Sent: Monday, 9 January 2017 10:01 a.m.
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: [AccessD] third party error code builder and other stuff
>>>
>>> What is the name of the extension we all use for adding error code and
>>> other things using keyboard shortcuts?  Freeware for Access (pmt
>>> suggested) not free for other environments.
>>>
>>> I am just not finding it using any of my google searches, nor in my
>>> saved stuff.
>>>
>>> -- John W. Colby
>>> --
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>> John W. Colby
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>>
> --
> John W. Colby
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Jan  8 21:01:29 2017
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 03:01:29 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] third party error code builder and other stuff
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met8Pj2sa8ECXVKynh6XDvsfzSXOY7hMGgjD1=zBOKNOF+w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EB6C18AE-D1EF-467E-AEB0-E6ACB7E8D12E@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met9Z8WgFkzT8HXU9ya=Oz3LvwTMdJb3830C+Zrd50S+LWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<C405C110827C41C3803610E78027866E@XPS>
	<AD4A1B7C-9B48-40DA-A053-0B8BDDA0CB69@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met-tapWfbBvSnWA-Lac8tSN9LzW-hLBwLAg5i6BU1YRf_w@mail.gmail.com>
	<5872A871.5020206@Gmail.com>	<001c01d269f7$b1b0fa90$1512efb0$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<5872B469.8060709@Gmail.com>	<002601d269fe$5d18ed10$174ac730$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<5872DA2A.4090403@Gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met8Pj2sa8ECXVKynh6XDvsfzSXOY7hMGgjD1=zBOKNOF+w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SYXPR01MB107119024CCB3C589B023F73FC640@SYXPR01MB1071.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>

Agreed.  It is also updated fairly regularly with bug fixes and new features.  Well worth the few dollars.

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: 9 January, 2017 1:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] third party error code builder and other stuff

John,

Buy the paid version.  It's cheap and it has lots of bells and whistles and works through 2016.  It gets better with every release.

Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 4:32 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes, from the code window.
>
>
> On 1/8/2017 5:27 PM, David Emerson wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> Just confirming you are looking from within a Module window and not 
>> the Access Window.  Both have Addins in the toolbars but only the 
>> Modules window (where you edit your code) has the Code Commenter.  
>> This is Access 2010 (not sure about other versions).
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> David Emerson
>> Dalyn Software Ltd
>> Wellington, New Zealand
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
>> Of John Colby
>> Sent: Monday, 9 January 2017 10:52 a.m.
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] third party error code builder and other stuff
>>
>> MZ-Tools is what I was thinking of.  I bought version 3 long ago, 
>> however it is no longer installed.  I reinstalled it (I think) and I 
>> am trying to use it with Access 7 and it is not showing up.  No se 
>> por que.  :(
>>
>> I am also not seeing the code commenter and error handler add-in. No 
>> add-ins in fact.
>>
>> On 1/8/2017 4:39 PM, David Emerson wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John,
>>>
>>> I use the Code Commenter and Error Handler Add-in.  It is available 
>>> from the Module window .. Addin Manager.  It is free :)
>>>
>>> You can set up your own templates.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> David Emerson
>>> Dalyn Software Ltd
>>> Wellington, New Zealand
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of John Colby
>>> Sent: Monday, 9 January 2017 10:01 a.m.
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: [AccessD] third party error code builder and other stuff
>>>
>>> What is the name of the extension we all use for adding error code 
>>> and other things using keyboard shortcuts?  Freeware for Access (pmt
>>> suggested) not free for other environments.
>>>
>>> I am just not finding it using any of my google searches, nor in my 
>>> saved stuff.
>>>
>>> -- John W. Colby
>>> --
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>> John W. Colby
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>>
> --
> John W. Colby
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
--
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AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From dbdoug at gmail.com  Sun Jan  8 21:05:47 2017
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 19:05:47 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] third party error code builder and other stuff
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met8Pj2sa8ECXVKynh6XDvsfzSXOY7hMGgjD1=zBOKNOF+w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EB6C18AE-D1EF-467E-AEB0-E6ACB7E8D12E@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met9Z8WgFkzT8HXU9ya=Oz3LvwTMdJb3830C+Zrd50S+LWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<C405C110827C41C3803610E78027866E@XPS>
	<AD4A1B7C-9B48-40DA-A053-0B8BDDA0CB69@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met-tapWfbBvSnWA-Lac8tSN9LzW-hLBwLAg5i6BU1YRf_w@mail.gmail.com>
	<5872A871.5020206@Gmail.com>
	<001c01d269f7$b1b0fa90$1512efb0$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<5872B469.8060709@Gmail.com>
	<002601d269fe$5d18ed10$174ac730$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<5872DA2A.4090403@Gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met8Pj2sa8ECXVKynh6XDvsfzSXOY7hMGgjD1=zBOKNOF+w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFa8NkhLhqC2BE1QniYkX-wVVYvXkQEhi0p+A65YhgqZW3WHnA@mail.gmail.com>

The old free version was so useful that I bought the paid version although
I never used it! Got a nice thank you email from the author as well.

Doug


On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 6:42 PM, Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
wrote:

> John,
>
> Buy the paid version.  It's cheap and it has lots of bells and whistles and
> works through 2016.  It gets better with every release.
>

From jwcolby at gmail.com  Mon Jan  9 04:26:53 2017
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 05:26:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] third party error code builder and other stuff
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met8Pj2sa8ECXVKynh6XDvsfzSXOY7hMGgjD1=zBOKNOF+w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EB6C18AE-D1EF-467E-AEB0-E6ACB7E8D12E@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met9Z8WgFkzT8HXU9ya=Oz3LvwTMdJb3830C+Zrd50S+LWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<C405C110827C41C3803610E78027866E@XPS>
	<AD4A1B7C-9B48-40DA-A053-0B8BDDA0CB69@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met-tapWfbBvSnWA-Lac8tSN9LzW-hLBwLAg5i6BU1YRf_w@mail.gmail.com>
	<5872A871.5020206@Gmail.com>
	<001c01d269f7$b1b0fa90$1512efb0$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<5872B469.8060709@Gmail.com>
	<002601d269fe$5d18ed10$174ac730$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<5872DA2A.4090403@Gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met8Pj2sa8ECXVKynh6XDvsfzSXOY7hMGgjD1=zBOKNOF+w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5873656D.80804@Gmail.com>

I did pay, many years ago.  I agree about the value, however I am not 
doing much dev work lately so...

And none for Access, which is what I want to to use it for.  Helping 
Ryan a bit with classes.

So I may go ahead and buy it again.  Or maybe not, haven't decided.

On 1/8/2017 9:42 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> John,
>
> Buy the paid version.  It's cheap and it has lots of bells and whistles and
> works through 2016.  It gets better with every release.
>
> Charlotte Foust
> (916) 206-4336
>
> On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 4:32 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, from the code window.
>>
>>
>> On 1/8/2017 5:27 PM, David Emerson wrote:
>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>> Just confirming you are looking from within a Module window and not the
>>> Access Window.  Both have Addins in the toolbars but only the Modules
>>> window
>>> (where you edit your code) has the Code Commenter.  This is Access 2010
>>> (not
>>> sure about other versions).
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> David Emerson
>>> Dalyn Software Ltd
>>> Wellington, New Zealand
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>>> John Colby
>>> Sent: Monday, 9 January 2017 10:52 a.m.
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] third party error code builder and other stuff
>>>
>>> MZ-Tools is what I was thinking of.  I bought version 3 long ago, however
>>> it
>>> is no longer installed.  I reinstalled it (I think) and I am trying to
>>> use
>>> it with Access 7 and it is not showing up.  No se por que.  :(
>>>
>>> I am also not seeing the code commenter and error handler add-in. No
>>> add-ins
>>> in fact.
>>>
>>> On 1/8/2017 4:39 PM, David Emerson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi John,
>>>>
>>>> I use the Code Commenter and Error Handler Add-in.  It is available
>>>> from the Module window .. Addin Manager.  It is free :)
>>>>
>>>> You can set up your own templates.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> David Emerson
>>>> Dalyn Software Ltd
>>>> Wellington, New Zealand
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
>>>> Of John Colby
>>>> Sent: Monday, 9 January 2017 10:01 a.m.
>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>> Subject: [AccessD] third party error code builder and other stuff
>>>>
>>>> What is the name of the extension we all use for adding error code and
>>>> other things using keyboard shortcuts?  Freeware for Access (pmt
>>>> suggested) not free for other environments.
>>>>
>>>> I am just not finding it using any of my google searches, nor in my
>>>> saved stuff.
>>>>
>>>> -- John W. Colby
>>>> --
>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>> John W. Colby
>>>
>>> --
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>

-- 
John W. Colby


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Mon Jan  9 15:28:06 2017
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 13:28:06 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Password recovery on access db
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met_xePene-tWEcFosxH_edXA=oDNjASUetesc0fQwBSN3A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH+Met_xePene-tWEcFosxH_edXA=oDNjASUetesc0fQwBSN3A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met8JRzPMzRG=3o4xzvXkSojBE92u+GmxBU8hZ59wySZ+bw@mail.gmail.com>

I inherited a pesky database that has a password protected VBA project.
What's the best way to get around that?

Charlotte Foust
916-206-4336

From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Jan  9 15:40:13 2017
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2017 16:40:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Password recovery on access db
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met8JRzPMzRG=3o4xzvXkSojBE92u+GmxBU8hZ59wySZ+bw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH+Met_xePene-tWEcFosxH_edXA=oDNjASUetesc0fQwBSN3A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met8JRzPMzRG=3o4xzvXkSojBE92u+GmxBU8hZ59wySZ+bw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F7DB6532EDFB40EFA79F476EA71FBBB6@XPS>


 There are no VBA project crackers that I am aware of, only Access ones.

 However you might try Wayne Phillips at Everything Access.

 He's done some very deep work with VBA and if anyone can do it, he'd be the
one (and he does offer Access DB recovery services).

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2017 04:28 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Password recovery on access db

I inherited a pesky database that has a password protected VBA project.
What's the best way to get around that?

Charlotte Foust
916-206-4336
-- 
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From bensonforums at gmail.com  Mon Jan  9 16:13:55 2017
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 17:13:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Password recovery on access db
In-Reply-To: <F7DB6532EDFB40EFA79F476EA71FBBB6@XPS>
References: <CAH+Met_xePene-tWEcFosxH_edXA=oDNjASUetesc0fQwBSN3A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met8JRzPMzRG=3o4xzvXkSojBE92u+GmxBU8hZ59wySZ+bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<F7DB6532EDFB40EFA79F476EA71FBBB6@XPS>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_2gTm2zGBmqKXCYKcwD4aPN9z+AaWKxgXorzBUXKJYsYA@mail.gmail.com>

I have an Excel hacker file that unlocks VBA Password on any currently
opened excel projects. But it won't work on an access project because you
can't open two databases in the same instance of access (ie, one unlocked
with this code in a module, and the other, locked, that you are trying to
open). If you write me offline, I will send you this code workbook, and
maybe you can figure out a way to run its code without actually having a
VBA project already unlocked. But I am going to go out on a limb and say it
is probably impossible.

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>  There are no VBA project crackers that I am aware of, only Access ones.
>
>  However you might try Wayne Phillips at Everything Access.
>
>  He's done some very deep work with VBA and if anyone can do it, he'd be
> the
> one (and he does offer Access DB recovery services).
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2017 04:28 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Password recovery on access db
>
> I inherited a pesky database that has a password protected VBA project.
> What's the best way to get around that?
>
> Charlotte Foust
> 916-206-4336
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Mon Jan  9 18:02:42 2017
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 00:02:42 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Password recovery on access db
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met8JRzPMzRG=3o4xzvXkSojBE92u+GmxBU8hZ59wySZ+bw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH+Met_xePene-tWEcFosxH_edXA=oDNjASUetesc0fQwBSN3A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met8JRzPMzRG=3o4xzvXkSojBE92u+GmxBU8hZ59wySZ+bw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SYXPR01MB1071193FE93EABD560678094FC670@SYXPR01MB1071.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Charlotte,

I use
http://www.lostpassword.com/vba.htm

http://www.lostpassword.com/recovery-options-standard.htm

it is a paid product, but I have found it has paid for itself many times over the years - especially doing contract work where it is fairly normal for no-one to know the password once the original dev has left.  Saved me many hours of pain.

If you want to zip up the database and email it to me, I could try and unlock it for you - although the software is on my PC at home so it would have to wait about 8 hours or so.  Otherwise it might be easier to pay for the software.  Probably worth doing a bit of google work on this as there are other software solutions too.

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: 10 January, 2017 8:28 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Password recovery on access db

I inherited a pesky database that has a password protected VBA project.
What's the best way to get around that?

Charlotte Foust
916-206-4336
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Jan  9 18:13:26 2017
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2017 19:13:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Password recovery on access db
In-Reply-To: <SYXPR01MB1071193FE93EABD560678094FC670@SYXPR01MB1071.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAH+Met_xePene-tWEcFosxH_edXA=oDNjASUetesc0fQwBSN3A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met8JRzPMzRG=3o4xzvXkSojBE92u+GmxBU8hZ59wySZ+bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<SYXPR01MB1071193FE93EABD560678094FC670@SYXPR01MB1071.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <C6E5F0F1-8163-4DDF-B6E5-8625928EDF30@verizon.net>

Looks like l'm out of date.

It also means its impossible to protect a Accdb any more.

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 9, 2017, at 7:02 PM, Darryl Collins <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:
> 
> Hi Charlotte,
> 
> I use
> http://www.lostpassword.com/vba.htm
> 
> http://www.lostpassword.com/recovery-options-standard.htm
> 
> it is a paid product, but I have found it has paid for itself many times over the years - especially doing contract work where it is fairly normal for no-one to know the password once the original dev has left.  Saved me many hours of pain.
> 
> If you want to zip up the database and email it to me, I could try and unlock it for you - although the software is on my PC at home so it would have to wait about 8 hours or so.  Otherwise it might be easier to pay for the software.  Probably worth doing a bit of google work on this as there are other software solutions too.
> 
> Cheers
> Darryl.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: 10 January, 2017 8:28 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Password recovery on access db
> 
> I inherited a pesky database that has a password protected VBA project.
> What's the best way to get around that?
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 916-206-4336
> -- 
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Mon Jan  9 18:25:55 2017
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 00:25:55 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Password recovery on access db
In-Reply-To: <C6E5F0F1-8163-4DDF-B6E5-8625928EDF30@verizon.net>
References: <CAH+Met_xePene-tWEcFosxH_edXA=oDNjASUetesc0fQwBSN3A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met8JRzPMzRG=3o4xzvXkSojBE92u+GmxBU8hZ59wySZ+bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<SYXPR01MB1071193FE93EABD560678094FC670@SYXPR01MB1071.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
	<C6E5F0F1-8163-4DDF-B6E5-8625928EDF30@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <SYXPR01MB1071ACA75826979670FE589CFC670@SYXPR01MB1071.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>

I assume anything is crackable these days - and that has proven to be the case in when I have need to crack things.   It is just a matter of how much IP, money and effort you want to throw at the problem.

I do use VBA passwords of course, but it really is only to prevent the VBE from popping open unexpectedly. I know a VBA password will stop my Mum and some employees, but it should be considered to be insecure from anyone half serious about cracking it.

Regards
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: 10 January, 2017 11:13 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Password recovery on access db

Looks like l'm out of date.

It also means its impossible to protect a Accdb any more.

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 9, 2017, at 7:02 PM, Darryl Collins <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:
> 
> Hi Charlotte,
> 
> I use
> http://www.lostpassword.com/vba.htm
> 
> http://www.lostpassword.com/recovery-options-standard.htm
> 
> it is a paid product, but I have found it has paid for itself many times over the years - especially doing contract work where it is fairly normal for no-one to know the password once the original dev has left.  Saved me many hours of pain.
> 
> If you want to zip up the database and email it to me, I could try and unlock it for you - although the software is on my PC at home so it would have to wait about 8 hours or so.  Otherwise it might be easier to pay for the software.  Probably worth doing a bit of google work on this as there are other software solutions too.
> 
> Cheers
> Darryl.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: 10 January, 2017 8:28 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Password recovery on access db
> 
> I inherited a pesky database that has a password protected VBA project.
> What's the best way to get around that?
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 916-206-4336
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Tue Jan 10 12:44:24 2017
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 13:44:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Password recovery on access db
In-Reply-To: <SYXPR01MB1071ACA75826979670FE589CFC670@SYXPR01MB1071.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAH+Met_xePene-tWEcFosxH_edXA=oDNjASUetesc0fQwBSN3A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met8JRzPMzRG=3o4xzvXkSojBE92u+GmxBU8hZ59wySZ+bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<SYXPR01MB1071193FE93EABD560678094FC670@SYXPR01MB1071.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
	<C6E5F0F1-8163-4DDF-B6E5-8625928EDF30@verizon.net>
	<SYXPR01MB1071ACA75826979670FE589CFC670@SYXPR01MB1071.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_00U9TbCp8UNMMR4z+sOsJ1oZiOhLvO+VM_eM1NynKHng@mail.gmail.com>

I think by now your Mum would beg to differ... She knows how to Google I am
sure!

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 7:25 PM, Darryl Collins <
darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> I assume anything is crackable these days - and that has proven to be the
> case in when I have need to crack things.   It is just a matter of how much
> IP, money and effort you want to throw at the problem.
>
> I do use VBA passwords of course, but it really is only to prevent the VBE
> from popping open unexpectedly. I know a VBA password will stop my Mum and
> some employees, but it should be considered to be insecure from anyone half
> serious about cracking it.
>
> Regards
> Darryl.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Jim Dettman
> Sent: 10 January, 2017 11:13 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Password recovery on access db
>
> Looks like l'm out of date.
>
> It also means its impossible to protect a Accdb any more.
>
> Jim
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 9, 2017, at 7:02 PM, Darryl Collins <
> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Charlotte,
> >
> > I use
> > http://www.lostpassword.com/vba.htm
> >
> > http://www.lostpassword.com/recovery-options-standard.htm
> >
> > it is a paid product, but I have found it has paid for itself many times
> over the years - especially doing contract work where it is fairly normal
> for no-one to know the password once the original dev has left.  Saved me
> many hours of pain.
> >
> > If you want to zip up the database and email it to me, I could try and
> unlock it for you - although the software is on my PC at home so it would
> have to wait about 8 hours or so.  Otherwise it might be easier to pay for
> the software.  Probably worth doing a bit of google work on this as there
> are other software solutions too.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Darryl.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Charlotte Foust
> > Sent: 10 January, 2017 8:28 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Password recovery on access db
> >
> > I inherited a pesky database that has a password protected VBA project.
> > What's the best way to get around that?
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> > 916-206-4336
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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>
>
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>

From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Jan 10 14:38:31 2017
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 20:38:31 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Password recovery on access db
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_00U9TbCp8UNMMR4z+sOsJ1oZiOhLvO+VM_eM1NynKHng@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH+Met_xePene-tWEcFosxH_edXA=oDNjASUetesc0fQwBSN3A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met8JRzPMzRG=3o4xzvXkSojBE92u+GmxBU8hZ59wySZ+bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<SYXPR01MB1071193FE93EABD560678094FC670@SYXPR01MB1071.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
	<C6E5F0F1-8163-4DDF-B6E5-8625928EDF30@verizon.net>
	<SYXPR01MB1071ACA75826979670FE589CFC670@SYXPR01MB1071.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAJLzs_00U9TbCp8UNMMR4z+sOsJ1oZiOhLvO+VM_eM1NynKHng@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SYXPR01MB1071AD4C446A22C5318AF429FC670@SYXPR01MB1071.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>

Hahaha... You would be surprised Bill.  My folks are no fools, but for some reason computers still seem to confuse the hell out of them.  They really don't understand them at all or get that Google can answer many of your questions these days.  I have explained this many times, but it just doesn't seem to register or occur to them to use it. 

I know a few folks of their generation who are like that.  Not everyone of course. Indeed, I know numerous 80+ year olds who are great with computers (and still code stuff too), but for some reason my folk are not in that category.

Given they live 800 kms (497 miles) away I am a big user and fan of team viewer / remote access.  Saves me a lot of nightmarish 'tech support' calls.  You know the type "The blue thingy has disappeared and now the internet is broken"....  WTF??

Cheers
Darryl.





-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Benson
Sent: Wednesday, 11 January 2017 5:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Password recovery on access db

I think by now your Mum would beg to differ... She knows how to Google I am sure!

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 7:25 PM, Darryl Collins < darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> I assume anything is crackable these days - and that has proven to be the
> case in when I have need to crack things.   It is just a matter of how much
> IP, money and effort you want to throw at the problem.
>
> I do use VBA passwords of course, but it really is only to prevent the 
> VBE from popping open unexpectedly. I know a VBA password will stop my 
> Mum and some employees, but it should be considered to be insecure 
> from anyone half serious about cracking it.
>
> Regards
> Darryl.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: 10 January, 2017 11:13 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving < 
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Password recovery on access db
>
> Looks like l'm out of date.
>
> It also means its impossible to protect a Accdb any more.
>
> Jim
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 9, 2017, at 7:02 PM, Darryl Collins <
> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Charlotte,
> >
> > I use
> > http://www.lostpassword.com/vba.htm
> >
> > http://www.lostpassword.com/recovery-options-standard.htm
> >
> > it is a paid product, but I have found it has paid for itself many 
> > times
> over the years - especially doing contract work where it is fairly 
> normal for no-one to know the password once the original dev has left.  
> Saved me many hours of pain.
> >
> > If you want to zip up the database and email it to me, I could try 
> > and
> unlock it for you - although the software is on my PC at home so it 
> would have to wait about 8 hours or so.  Otherwise it might be easier 
> to pay for the software.  Probably worth doing a bit of google work on 
> this as there are other software solutions too.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Darryl.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On 
> > Behalf
> Of Charlotte Foust
> > Sent: 10 January, 2017 8:28 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Password recovery on access db
> >
> > I inherited a pesky database that has a password protected VBA project.
> > What's the best way to get around that?
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> > 916-206-4336
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 13:55:56 2017
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 14:55:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] third party error code builder and other stuff
In-Reply-To: <004001d26a14$b5a1b690$20e523b0$@dalyn.co.nz>
References: <EB6C18AE-D1EF-467E-AEB0-E6ACB7E8D12E@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met9Z8WgFkzT8HXU9ya=Oz3LvwTMdJb3830C+Zrd50S+LWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<C405C110827C41C3803610E78027866E@XPS>
	<AD4A1B7C-9B48-40DA-A053-0B8BDDA0CB69@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met-tapWfbBvSnWA-Lac8tSN9LzW-hLBwLAg5i6BU1YRf_w@mail.gmail.com>
	<5872A871.5020206@Gmail.com>
	<001c01d269f7$b1b0fa90$1512efb0$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<5872B469.8060709@Gmail.com>
	<002601d269fe$5d18ed10$174ac730$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<5872DA2A.4090403@Gmail.com>
	<004001d26a14$b5a1b690$20e523b0$@dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_2vSsDKtmKYPmgSUsGMK5jzadYfGWT6XHc4E6M8Nq5BWw@mail.gmail.com>

Link pointed to a defunct google books page when I clicked on it.

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 8:07 PM, David Emerson <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz> wrote:

> I just assumed it was part of the standard Access install.  With a bit of
> research I found that it needs to be installed.  Here are the details:
>
> https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=qtxT7u4QzYgC&pg=
> PA497&lpg=PA497&dq=Acces
> s+add-in+code+commenter+and+error+handler&source=bl&ots=
> d9DB93EhSo&sig=4iqQy
> zg_VvBHiJ3QMWENOxojC-M&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjx-
> 7GV77PRAhVrlVQKHV4XBB8Q6AEIL
> DAD#v=onepage&q=Access%20add-in%20code%20commenter%20and%
> 20error%20handler&f
> =false
>
> Regards
>
> David Emerson
> Dalyn Software Ltd
> Wellington, New Zealand
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> John Colby
> Sent: Monday, 9 January 2017 1:33 p.m.
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] third party error code builder and other stuff
>
> Yes, from the code window.
>
> On 1/8/2017 5:27 PM, David Emerson wrote:
> > John,
> >
> > Just confirming you are looking from within a Module window and not
> > the Access Window.  Both have Addins in the toolbars but only the
> > Modules window (where you edit your code) has the Code Commenter.
> > This is Access 2010 (not sure about other versions).
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > David Emerson
> > Dalyn Software Ltd
> > Wellington, New Zealand
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> > Of John Colby
> > Sent: Monday, 9 January 2017 10:52 a.m.
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] third party error code builder and other stuff
> >
> > MZ-Tools is what I was thinking of.  I bought version 3 long ago,
> > however it is no longer installed.  I reinstalled it (I think) and I
> > am trying to  use it with Access 7 and it is not showing up.  No se
> > por que.  :(
> >
> > I am also not seeing the code commenter and error handler add-in. No
> > add-ins in fact.
> >
> > On 1/8/2017 4:39 PM, David Emerson wrote:
> >> Hi John,
> >>
> >> I use the Code Commenter and Error Handler Add-in.  It is available
> >> from the Module window .. Addin Manager.  It is free :)
> >>
> >> You can set up your own templates.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> David Emerson
> >> Dalyn Software Ltd
> >> Wellington, New Zealand
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> >> Of John Colby
> >> Sent: Monday, 9 January 2017 10:01 a.m.
> >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >> Subject: [AccessD] third party error code builder and other stuff
> >>
> >> What is the name of the extension we all use for adding error code
> >> and other things using keyboard shortcuts?  Freeware for Access (pmt
> >> suggested) not free for other environments.
> >>
> >> I am just not finding it using any of my google searches, nor in my
> >> saved stuff.
> >>
> >> -- John W. Colby
> >> --
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> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >>
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> >
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> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> >
> >
>
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>
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 13:56:22 2017
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 14:56:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] third party error code builder and other stuff
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_2vSsDKtmKYPmgSUsGMK5jzadYfGWT6XHc4E6M8Nq5BWw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EB6C18AE-D1EF-467E-AEB0-E6ACB7E8D12E@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met9Z8WgFkzT8HXU9ya=Oz3LvwTMdJb3830C+Zrd50S+LWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<C405C110827C41C3803610E78027866E@XPS>
	<AD4A1B7C-9B48-40DA-A053-0B8BDDA0CB69@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met-tapWfbBvSnWA-Lac8tSN9LzW-hLBwLAg5i6BU1YRf_w@mail.gmail.com>
	<5872A871.5020206@Gmail.com>
	<001c01d269f7$b1b0fa90$1512efb0$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<5872B469.8060709@Gmail.com>
	<002601d269fe$5d18ed10$174ac730$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<5872DA2A.4090403@Gmail.com>
	<004001d26a14$b5a1b690$20e523b0$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<CAJLzs_2vSsDKtmKYPmgSUsGMK5jzadYfGWT6XHc4E6M8Nq5BWw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_3Yg8TOCN91DsAjckPX+6To-sn8Abt8azaT1PR0kdpbQw@mail.gmail.com>

just tried it again and it worked. nevermind.

On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com> wrote:

> Link pointed to a defunct google books page when I clicked on it.
>
> On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 8:07 PM, David Emerson <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz>
> wrote:
>
>> I just assumed it was part of the standard Access install.  With a bit of
>> research I found that it needs to be installed.  Here are the details:
>>
>> https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=qtxT7u4QzYgC&pg=PA497&
>> lpg=PA497&dq=Acces
>> s+add-in+code+commenter+and+error+handler&source=bl&ots=d9DB
>> 93EhSo&sig=4iqQy
>> zg_VvBHiJ3QMWENOxojC-M&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjx-7GV77PRAhVrl
>> VQKHV4XBB8Q6AEIL
>> DAD#v=onepage&q=Access%20add-in%20code%20commenter%20and%20e
>> rror%20handler&f
>> =false
>> <https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=qtxT7u4QzYgC&pg=PA497&lpg=PA497&dq=Access+add-in+code+commenter+and+error+handler&source=bl&ots=d9DB93EhSo&sig=4iqQyzg_VvBHiJ3QMWENOxojC-M&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjx-7GV77PRAhVrlVQKHV4XBB8Q6AEILDAD#v=onepage&q=Access%20add-in%20code%20commenter%20and%20error%20handler&f=false>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> David Emerson
>> Dalyn Software Ltd
>> Wellington, New Zealand
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> John Colby
>> Sent: Monday, 9 January 2017 1:33 p.m.
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] third party error code builder and other stuff
>>
>> Yes, from the code window.
>>
>> On 1/8/2017 5:27 PM, David Emerson wrote:
>> > John,
>> >
>> > Just confirming you are looking from within a Module window and not
>> > the Access Window.  Both have Addins in the toolbars but only the
>> > Modules window (where you edit your code) has the Code Commenter.
>> > This is Access 2010 (not sure about other versions).
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > David Emerson
>> > Dalyn Software Ltd
>> > Wellington, New Zealand
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
>> > Of John Colby
>> > Sent: Monday, 9 January 2017 10:52 a.m.
>> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] third party error code builder and other stuff
>> >
>> > MZ-Tools is what I was thinking of.  I bought version 3 long ago,
>> > however it is no longer installed.  I reinstalled it (I think) and I
>> > am trying to  use it with Access 7 and it is not showing up.  No se
>> > por que.  :(
>> >
>> > I am also not seeing the code commenter and error handler add-in. No
>> > add-ins in fact.
>> >
>> > On 1/8/2017 4:39 PM, David Emerson wrote:
>> >> Hi John,
>> >>
>> >> I use the Code Commenter and Error Handler Add-in.  It is available
>> >> from the Module window .. Addin Manager.  It is free :)
>> >>
>> >> You can set up your own templates.
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >>
>> >> David Emerson
>> >> Dalyn Software Ltd
>> >> Wellington, New Zealand
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
>> >> Of John Colby
>> >> Sent: Monday, 9 January 2017 10:01 a.m.
>> >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> >> Subject: [AccessD] third party error code builder and other stuff
>> >>
>> >> What is the name of the extension we all use for adding error code
>> >> and other things using keyboard shortcuts?  Freeware for Access (pmt
>> >> suggested) not free for other environments.
>> >>
>> >> I am just not finding it using any of my google searches, nor in my
>> >> saved stuff.
>> >>
>> >> -- John W. Colby
>> >> --
>> >> AccessD mailing list
>> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> > --
>> > John W. Colby
>> >
>> > --
>> > AccessD mailing list
>> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> >
>> >
>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>

From wrwehler at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 08:54:05 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan W)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 08:54:05 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
Message-ID: <CAFXiSd_B_wBHBQZB3PCMzsyL-ZAO4yrTs0X5Wp+GipR43TUTvQ@mail.gmail.com>

For those following along:


VMMap.exe (sysinternals) shows that Access 2003 sitting idle uses about 75K
of memory "total", Access 2013 (32 bit) is using 516K of memory "total"
sitting idle. This is WITHOUT having my MDE/ACCDE loaded.

Talk about bloat! It looks like a lot of this might be the 64 bit to 32 bit
layer (SYSWOW)

I'm still chasing down "JIT" forms (via Classes) with John Colby providing
assistance via email and telephone!  He's been an amazing resource to
bounce ideas and questions off.

From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 11:59:23 2017
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 12:59:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
In-Reply-To: <CAFXiSd_B_wBHBQZB3PCMzsyL-ZAO4yrTs0X5Wp+GipR43TUTvQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFXiSd_B_wBHBQZB3PCMzsyL-ZAO4yrTs0X5Wp+GipR43TUTvQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAA_iUE8nGpFhZrPaY-Hk3z0a-GS1uBUBbCp-4f_84uOTRORbQg@mail.gmail.com>

Assuming is mb?

On Jan 17, 2017 9:56 AM, "Ryan W" <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:

> For those following along:
>
>
> VMMap.exe (sysinternals) shows that Access 2003 sitting idle uses about 75K
> of memory "total", Access 2013 (32 bit) is using 516K of memory "total"
> sitting idle. This is WITHOUT having my MDE/ACCDE loaded.
>
> Talk about bloat! It looks like a lot of this might be the 64 bit to 32 bit
> layer (SYSWOW)
>
> I'm still chasing down "JIT" forms (via Classes) with John Colby providing
> assistance via email and telephone!  He's been an amazing resource to
> bounce ideas and questions off.
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From wrwehler at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 12:10:28 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan Wehler)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 12:10:28 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
In-Reply-To: <CAA_iUE8nGpFhZrPaY-Hk3z0a-GS1uBUBbCp-4f_84uOTRORbQg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFXiSd_B_wBHBQZB3PCMzsyL-ZAO4yrTs0X5Wp+GipR43TUTvQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAA_iUE8nGpFhZrPaY-Hk3z0a-GS1uBUBbCp-4f_84uOTRORbQg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7CE1A8AD-929D-40AA-889D-9D11D8563463@gmail.com>

Yes sorry should have been MB. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 17, 2017, at 11:59 AM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Assuming is mb?
> 
>> On Jan 17, 2017 9:56 AM, "Ryan W" <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> For those following along:
>> 
>> 
>> VMMap.exe (sysinternals) shows that Access 2003 sitting idle uses about 75K
>> of memory "total", Access 2013 (32 bit) is using 516K of memory "total"
>> sitting idle. This is WITHOUT having my MDE/ACCDE loaded.
>> 
>> Talk about bloat! It looks like a lot of this might be the 64 bit to 32 bit
>> layer (SYSWOW)
>> 
>> I'm still chasing down "JIT" forms (via Classes) with John Colby providing
>> assistance via email and telephone!  He's been an amazing resource to
>> bounce ideas and questions off.
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From martinreid at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 13:04:01 2017
From: martinreid at gmail.com (Martin Reid)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 19:04:01 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
In-Reply-To: <CAA_iUE8nGpFhZrPaY-Hk3z0a-GS1uBUBbCp-4f_84uOTRORbQg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFXiSd_B_wBHBQZB3PCMzsyL-ZAO4yrTs0X5Wp+GipR43TUTvQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAA_iUE8nGpFhZrPaY-Hk3z0a-GS1uBUBbCp-4f_84uOTRORbQg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <587e6aa4.84c3190a.c910f.cbb9@mx.google.com>

He's been an amazing resource to
bounce ideas and questions off

Has been for many years.

Martin

-----Original Message-----
From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
Sent: ?17/?01/?2017 18:01
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?

Assuming is mb?

On Jan 17, 2017 9:56 AM, "Ryan W" <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:

> For those following along:
>
>
> VMMap.exe (sysinternals) shows that Access 2003 sitting idle uses about 75K
> of memory "total", Access 2013 (32 bit) is using 516K of memory "total"
> sitting idle. This is WITHOUT having my MDE/ACCDE loaded.
>
> Talk about bloat! It looks like a lot of this might be the 64 bit to 32 bit
> layer (SYSWOW)
>
> I'm still chasing down "JIT" forms (via Classes) with John Colby providing
> assistance via email and telephone!  He's been an amazing resource to
> bounce ideas and questions off.
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
-- 
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From wrwehler at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 14:35:20 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan W)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 14:35:20 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
In-Reply-To: <587e6aa4.84c3190a.c910f.cbb9@mx.google.com>
References: <CAFXiSd_B_wBHBQZB3PCMzsyL-ZAO4yrTs0X5Wp+GipR43TUTvQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAA_iUE8nGpFhZrPaY-Hk3z0a-GS1uBUBbCp-4f_84uOTRORbQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<587e6aa4.84c3190a.c910f.cbb9@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAFXiSd--hizAajbWbrtG+AkJ5e0gL5khvnKAW=SSpCWDHSyymw@mail.gmail.com>

A deeper look:


Access 2013 32-bit on 64 bit OS:
https://i.imgur.com/erUcFpo.png

Access 2003 32-bit on 32 bit OS:
https://i.imgur.com/1qCRQLm.png


By the time I load my app up with JUST the switchboard open:

Access 2013 32 bit:
https://i.imgur.com/OkYxSsg.png

Access 2003 32 bit:
https://i.imgur.com/DeStcnt.png


So I'm using 40% more memory just to run Access 2013!  Once I hit a "TOTAL"
number of around 1.45GB I start getting out of resource errors.   When
switching to 64 bit my memory wall becomes big enough (up to 8TB) that it's
never ever a problem.


Here we are with 5 of our most used and most commonly opened forms all
opened up:
https://i.imgur.com/RjPRpnd.png

We are just barely skirting that limit here.  It would not take much (just
a slightly larger data set on one of the forms) to stop the user in it's
tracks.

Those same forms open in Access 2003:
https://i.imgur.com/ed296vH.png

On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Martin Reid <martinreid at gmail.com> wrote:

> He's been an amazing resource to
> bounce ideas and questions off
>
> Has been for many years.
>
> Martin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
> Sent: ?17/?01/?2017 18:01
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
>
> Assuming is mb?
>
> On Jan 17, 2017 9:56 AM, "Ryan W" <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > For those following along:
> >
> >
> > VMMap.exe (sysinternals) shows that Access 2003 sitting idle uses about
> 75K
> > of memory "total", Access 2013 (32 bit) is using 516K of memory "total"
> > sitting idle. This is WITHOUT having my MDE/ACCDE loaded.
> >
> > Talk about bloat! It looks like a lot of this might be the 64 bit to 32
> bit
> > layer (SYSWOW)
> >
> > I'm still chasing down "JIT" forms (via Classes) with John Colby
> providing
> > assistance via email and telephone!  He's been an amazing resource to
> > bounce ideas and questions off.
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From ewaldt at gdls.com  Tue Jan 17 14:40:29 2017
From: ewaldt at gdls.com (ewaldt at gdls.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 15:40:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Easy way to play audio files from Access form
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1431.1483288005.30651.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.1431.1483288005.30651.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <OFC1FF9DE8.AA271697-ON852580AB.0071542C-852580AB.0071920E@gdls.com>

Wow - I can't believe I missed this. I haven't worked on that database 
recently, so I'd forgotten about it, but I do appreciate the answers of 
all who sought to help. I received several answers, which I need to go 
through. I apologize for not thanking you all sooner. I still hope to use 
what you generously passed on to me.

Tom Ewald
Mass Properties
General Dynamics Land Systems

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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 20:22:33 2017
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 21:22:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
In-Reply-To: <CAFXiSd--hizAajbWbrtG+AkJ5e0gL5khvnKAW=SSpCWDHSyymw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFXiSd_B_wBHBQZB3PCMzsyL-ZAO4yrTs0X5Wp+GipR43TUTvQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAA_iUE8nGpFhZrPaY-Hk3z0a-GS1uBUBbCp-4f_84uOTRORbQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<587e6aa4.84c3190a.c910f.cbb9@mx.google.com>
	<CAFXiSd--hizAajbWbrtG+AkJ5e0gL5khvnKAW=SSpCWDHSyymw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <587ED169.4090403@Gmail.com>

Have you managed to get a picture of the same 2013 x32 with JIT happening?

On 1/17/2017 3:35 PM, Ryan W wrote:
> A deeper look:
>
>
> Access 2013 32-bit on 64 bit OS:
> https://i.imgur.com/erUcFpo.png
>
> Access 2003 32-bit on 32 bit OS:
> https://i.imgur.com/1qCRQLm.png
>
>
> By the time I load my app up with JUST the switchboard open:
>
> Access 2013 32 bit:
> https://i.imgur.com/OkYxSsg.png
>
> Access 2003 32 bit:
> https://i.imgur.com/DeStcnt.png
>
>
> So I'm using 40% more memory just to run Access 2013!  Once I hit a "TOTAL"
> number of around 1.45GB I start getting out of resource errors.   When
> switching to 64 bit my memory wall becomes big enough (up to 8TB) that it's
> never ever a problem.
>
>
> Here we are with 5 of our most used and most commonly opened forms all
> opened up:
> https://i.imgur.com/RjPRpnd.png
>
> We are just barely skirting that limit here.  It would not take much (just
> a slightly larger data set on one of the forms) to stop the user in it's
> tracks.
>
> Those same forms open in Access 2003:
> https://i.imgur.com/ed296vH.png
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Martin Reid <martinreid at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> He's been an amazing resource to
>> bounce ideas and questions off
>>
>> Has been for many years.
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
>> Sent: ?17/?01/?2017 18:01
>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
>> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
>>
>> Assuming is mb?
>>
>> On Jan 17, 2017 9:56 AM, "Ryan W" <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> For those following along:
>>>
>>>
>>> VMMap.exe (sysinternals) shows that Access 2003 sitting idle uses about
>> 75K
>>> of memory "total", Access 2013 (32 bit) is using 516K of memory "total"
>>> sitting idle. This is WITHOUT having my MDE/ACCDE loaded.
>>>
>>> Talk about bloat! It looks like a lot of this might be the 64 bit to 32
>> bit
>>> layer (SYSWOW)
>>>
>>> I'm still chasing down "JIT" forms (via Classes) with John Colby
>> providing
>>> assistance via email and telephone!  He's been an amazing resource to
>>> bounce ideas and questions off.
>>> --
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>

-- 
John W. Colby


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 20:32:56 2017
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 21:32:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
In-Reply-To: <CAFXiSd--hizAajbWbrtG+AkJ5e0gL5khvnKAW=SSpCWDHSyymw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFXiSd_B_wBHBQZB3PCMzsyL-ZAO4yrTs0X5Wp+GipR43TUTvQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAA_iUE8nGpFhZrPaY-Hk3z0a-GS1uBUBbCp-4f_84uOTRORbQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<587e6aa4.84c3190a.c910f.cbb9@mx.google.com>
	<CAFXiSd--hizAajbWbrtG+AkJ5e0gL5khvnKAW=SSpCWDHSyymw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <587ED3D8.6070807@Gmail.com>

Never mind.  I didn't see "just the switchboard"

I read somewhere that much of Access (back in the day) was written in 
assembler.  Perhaps they switched to C# or something.  Just a WAG.

The whole thing is bizarre.

What I'm not seeing however is an "apples to apples".  It seems like we 
need 4 pictures.

2013 on 32 bit OS
2013 on 64 bit OS
2003 on 32 bit OS
2003 on 64 bit OS.

I do know that 64 bit windows (assuming sufficient RAM) is able to push 
mapped video up out of the way.

Speaking of sufficient ram, what is the physical memory of these 
machines?  And does more physical memory help in any way?

On 1/17/2017 3:35 PM, Ryan W wrote:
> A deeper look:
>
>
> Access 2013 32-bit on 64 bit OS:
> https://i.imgur.com/erUcFpo.png
>
> Access 2003 32-bit on 32 bit OS:
> https://i.imgur.com/1qCRQLm.png
>
>
> By the time I load my app up with JUST the switchboard open:
>
> Access 2013 32 bit:
> https://i.imgur.com/OkYxSsg.png
>
> Access 2003 32 bit:
> https://i.imgur.com/DeStcnt.png
>
>
> So I'm using 40% more memory just to run Access 2013!  Once I hit a "TOTAL"
> number of around 1.45GB I start getting out of resource errors.   When
> switching to 64 bit my memory wall becomes big enough (up to 8TB) that it's
> never ever a problem.
>
>
> Here we are with 5 of our most used and most commonly opened forms all
> opened up:
> https://i.imgur.com/RjPRpnd.png
>
> We are just barely skirting that limit here.  It would not take much (just
> a slightly larger data set on one of the forms) to stop the user in it's
> tracks.
>
> Those same forms open in Access 2003:
> https://i.imgur.com/ed296vH.png
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Martin Reid <martinreid at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> He's been an amazing resource to
>> bounce ideas and questions off
>>
>> Has been for many years.
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
>> Sent: ?17/?01/?2017 18:01
>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
>> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
>>
>> Assuming is mb?
>>
>> On Jan 17, 2017 9:56 AM, "Ryan W" <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> For those following along:
>>>
>>>
>>> VMMap.exe (sysinternals) shows that Access 2003 sitting idle uses about
>> 75K
>>> of memory "total", Access 2013 (32 bit) is using 516K of memory "total"
>>> sitting idle. This is WITHOUT having my MDE/ACCDE loaded.
>>>
>>> Talk about bloat! It looks like a lot of this might be the 64 bit to 32
>> bit
>>> layer (SYSWOW)
>>>
>>> I'm still chasing down "JIT" forms (via Classes) with John Colby
>> providing
>>> assistance via email and telephone!  He's been an amazing resource to
>>> bounce ideas and questions off.
>>> --
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>

-- 
John W. Colby


From wrwehler at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 20:40:36 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan Wehler)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 20:40:36 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
In-Reply-To: <587ED169.4090403@Gmail.com>
References: <CAFXiSd_B_wBHBQZB3PCMzsyL-ZAO4yrTs0X5Wp+GipR43TUTvQ@mail.gmail.com>
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	<587e6aa4.84c3190a.c910f.cbb9@mx.google.com>
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I have one floating around. It's a marked improvement for sure but I'm not sure it will be enough.... I wish Access would release forms or tabs(form tabs not tab controls) that are in memory but not in focus to avoid stuff like this. 

If JIT controls isn't enough I'm not sure what else I can do other than try to tell people not to have too much open at once (like that would work)


Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 17, 2017, at 8:22 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Have you managed to get a picture of the same 2013 x32 with JIT happening?
> 
>> On 1/17/2017 3:35 PM, Ryan W wrote:
>> A deeper look:
>> 
>> 
>> Access 2013 32-bit on 64 bit OS:
>> https://i.imgur.com/erUcFpo.png
>> 
>> Access 2003 32-bit on 32 bit OS:
>> https://i.imgur.com/1qCRQLm.png
>> 
>> 
>> By the time I load my app up with JUST the switchboard open:
>> 
>> Access 2013 32 bit:
>> https://i.imgur.com/OkYxSsg.png
>> 
>> Access 2003 32 bit:
>> https://i.imgur.com/DeStcnt.png
>> 
>> 
>> So I'm using 40% more memory just to run Access 2013!  Once I hit a "TOTAL"
>> number of around 1.45GB I start getting out of resource errors.   When
>> switching to 64 bit my memory wall becomes big enough (up to 8TB) that it's
>> never ever a problem.
>> 
>> 
>> Here we are with 5 of our most used and most commonly opened forms all
>> opened up:
>> https://i.imgur.com/RjPRpnd.png
>> 
>> We are just barely skirting that limit here.  It would not take much (just
>> a slightly larger data set on one of the forms) to stop the user in it's
>> tracks.
>> 
>> Those same forms open in Access 2003:
>> https://i.imgur.com/ed296vH.png
>> 
>>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Martin Reid <martinreid at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> He's been an amazing resource to
>>> bounce ideas and questions off
>>> 
>>> Has been for many years.
>>> 
>>> Martin
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: ?17/?01/?2017 18:01
>>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
>>> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
>>> 
>>> Assuming is mb?
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 17, 2017 9:56 AM, "Ryan W" <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> For those following along:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> VMMap.exe (sysinternals) shows that Access 2003 sitting idle uses about
>>> 75K
>>>> of memory "total", Access 2013 (32 bit) is using 516K of memory "total"
>>>> sitting idle. This is WITHOUT having my MDE/ACCDE loaded.
>>>> 
>>>> Talk about bloat! It looks like a lot of this might be the 64 bit to 32
>>> bit
>>>> layer (SYSWOW)
>>>> 
>>>> I'm still chasing down "JIT" forms (via Classes) with John Colby
>>> providing
>>>> assistance via email and telephone!  He's been an amazing resource to
>>>> bounce ideas and questions off.
>>>> --
>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>> 
>>> --
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>> --
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>> 
> 
> -- 
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> 
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From wrwehler at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 20:44:39 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan Wehler)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 20:44:39 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
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64 on 64 shows a max VM at something like 8GB (what my physical memory limit is) with an actual 8TB (yes TB limit). I don't have a box I can readily test 2003 on 64 right now unless I uninstall 2013 from mine (or go screenshot a colleagues machine which I may do tomorrow). But I already know 32 bit processes on 64 bit systems are limited to 2 GB of virtual memory regardless what version of Access it is. It just so happens 2003 uses WAY less to start with. 



Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 17, 2017, at 8:32 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Never mind.  I didn't see "just the switchboard"
> 
> I read somewhere that much of Access (back in the day) was written in assembler.  Perhaps they switched to C# or something.  Just a WAG.
> 
> The whole thing is bizarre.
> 
> What I'm not seeing however is an "apples to apples".  It seems like we need 4 pictures.
> 
> 2013 on 32 bit OS
> 2013 on 64 bit OS
> 2003 on 32 bit OS
> 2003 on 64 bit OS.
> 
> I do know that 64 bit windows (assuming sufficient RAM) is able to push mapped video up out of the way.
> 
> Speaking of sufficient ram, what is the physical memory of these machines?  And does more physical memory help in any way?
> 
>> On 1/17/2017 3:35 PM, Ryan W wrote:
>> A deeper look:
>> 
>> 
>> Access 2013 32-bit on 64 bit OS:
>> https://i.imgur.com/erUcFpo.png
>> 
>> Access 2003 32-bit on 32 bit OS:
>> https://i.imgur.com/1qCRQLm.png
>> 
>> 
>> By the time I load my app up with JUST the switchboard open:
>> 
>> Access 2013 32 bit:
>> https://i.imgur.com/OkYxSsg.png
>> 
>> Access 2003 32 bit:
>> https://i.imgur.com/DeStcnt.png
>> 
>> 
>> So I'm using 40% more memory just to run Access 2013!  Once I hit a "TOTAL"
>> number of around 1.45GB I start getting out of resource errors.   When
>> switching to 64 bit my memory wall becomes big enough (up to 8TB) that it's
>> never ever a problem.
>> 
>> 
>> Here we are with 5 of our most used and most commonly opened forms all
>> opened up:
>> https://i.imgur.com/RjPRpnd.png
>> 
>> We are just barely skirting that limit here.  It would not take much (just
>> a slightly larger data set on one of the forms) to stop the user in it's
>> tracks.
>> 
>> Those same forms open in Access 2003:
>> https://i.imgur.com/ed296vH.png
>> 
>>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Martin Reid <martinreid at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> He's been an amazing resource to
>>> bounce ideas and questions off
>>> 
>>> Has been for many years.
>>> 
>>> Martin
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: ?17/?01/?2017 18:01
>>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
>>> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
>>> 
>>> Assuming is mb?
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 17, 2017 9:56 AM, "Ryan W" <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> For those following along:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> VMMap.exe (sysinternals) shows that Access 2003 sitting idle uses about
>>> 75K
>>>> of memory "total", Access 2013 (32 bit) is using 516K of memory "total"
>>>> sitting idle. This is WITHOUT having my MDE/ACCDE loaded.
>>>> 
>>>> Talk about bloat! It looks like a lot of this might be the 64 bit to 32
>>> bit
>>>> layer (SYSWOW)
>>>> 
>>>> I'm still chasing down "JIT" forms (via Classes) with John Colby
>>> providing
>>>> assistance via email and telephone!  He's been an amazing resource to
>>>> bounce ideas and questions off.
>>>> --
>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>> 
>>> --
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>> --
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>> 
> 
> -- 
> John W. Colby
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From wrwehler at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 20:45:36 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan Wehler)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 20:45:36 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
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Oh and 8GB physical memory. At least on my machine. But that hardly matters from what I've read with the virtual memory limit imposed on 32 bit apps on 64 OS. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 17, 2017, at 8:32 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Never mind.  I didn't see "just the switchboard"
> 
> I read somewhere that much of Access (back in the day) was written in assembler.  Perhaps they switched to C# or something.  Just a WAG.
> 
> The whole thing is bizarre.
> 
> What I'm not seeing however is an "apples to apples".  It seems like we need 4 pictures.
> 
> 2013 on 32 bit OS
> 2013 on 64 bit OS
> 2003 on 32 bit OS
> 2003 on 64 bit OS.
> 
> I do know that 64 bit windows (assuming sufficient RAM) is able to push mapped video up out of the way.
> 
> Speaking of sufficient ram, what is the physical memory of these machines?  And does more physical memory help in any way?
> 
>> On 1/17/2017 3:35 PM, Ryan W wrote:
>> A deeper look:
>> 
>> 
>> Access 2013 32-bit on 64 bit OS:
>> https://i.imgur.com/erUcFpo.png
>> 
>> Access 2003 32-bit on 32 bit OS:
>> https://i.imgur.com/1qCRQLm.png
>> 
>> 
>> By the time I load my app up with JUST the switchboard open:
>> 
>> Access 2013 32 bit:
>> https://i.imgur.com/OkYxSsg.png
>> 
>> Access 2003 32 bit:
>> https://i.imgur.com/DeStcnt.png
>> 
>> 
>> So I'm using 40% more memory just to run Access 2013!  Once I hit a "TOTAL"
>> number of around 1.45GB I start getting out of resource errors.   When
>> switching to 64 bit my memory wall becomes big enough (up to 8TB) that it's
>> never ever a problem.
>> 
>> 
>> Here we are with 5 of our most used and most commonly opened forms all
>> opened up:
>> https://i.imgur.com/RjPRpnd.png
>> 
>> We are just barely skirting that limit here.  It would not take much (just
>> a slightly larger data set on one of the forms) to stop the user in it's
>> tracks.
>> 
>> Those same forms open in Access 2003:
>> https://i.imgur.com/ed296vH.png
>> 
>>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Martin Reid <martinreid at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> He's been an amazing resource to
>>> bounce ideas and questions off
>>> 
>>> Has been for many years.
>>> 
>>> Martin
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: ?17/?01/?2017 18:01
>>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
>>> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
>>> 
>>> Assuming is mb?
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 17, 2017 9:56 AM, "Ryan W" <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> For those following along:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> VMMap.exe (sysinternals) shows that Access 2003 sitting idle uses about
>>> 75K
>>>> of memory "total", Access 2013 (32 bit) is using 516K of memory "total"
>>>> sitting idle. This is WITHOUT having my MDE/ACCDE loaded.
>>>> 
>>>> Talk about bloat! It looks like a lot of this might be the 64 bit to 32
>>> bit
>>>> layer (SYSWOW)
>>>> 
>>>> I'm still chasing down "JIT" forms (via Classes) with John Colby
>>> providing
>>>> assistance via email and telephone!  He's been an amazing resource to
>>>> bounce ideas and questions off.
>>>> --
>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>> 
>>> --
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>> --
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>> 
> 
> -- 
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> 
> -- 
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 20:51:22 2017
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 21:51:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
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Actually you can force the issue.

On 1/17/2017 9:40 PM, Ryan Wehler wrote:
> I have one floating around. It's a marked improvement for sure but I'm not sure it will be enough.... I wish Access would release forms or tabs(form tabs not tab controls) that are in memory but not in focus to avoid stuff like this.
>
> If JIT controls isn't enough I'm not sure what else I can do other than try to tell people not to have too much open at once (like that would work)
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jan 17, 2017, at 8:22 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Have you managed to get a picture of the same 2013 x32 with JIT happening?
>>
>>> On 1/17/2017 3:35 PM, Ryan W wrote:
>>> A deeper look:
>>>
>>>
>>> Access 2013 32-bit on 64 bit OS:
>>> https://i.imgur.com/erUcFpo.png
>>>
>>> Access 2003 32-bit on 32 bit OS:
>>> https://i.imgur.com/1qCRQLm.png
>>>
>>>
>>> By the time I load my app up with JUST the switchboard open:
>>>
>>> Access 2013 32 bit:
>>> https://i.imgur.com/OkYxSsg.png
>>>
>>> Access 2003 32 bit:
>>> https://i.imgur.com/DeStcnt.png
>>>
>>>
>>> So I'm using 40% more memory just to run Access 2013!  Once I hit a "TOTAL"
>>> number of around 1.45GB I start getting out of resource errors.   When
>>> switching to 64 bit my memory wall becomes big enough (up to 8TB) that it's
>>> never ever a problem.
>>>
>>>
>>> Here we are with 5 of our most used and most commonly opened forms all
>>> opened up:
>>> https://i.imgur.com/RjPRpnd.png
>>>
>>> We are just barely skirting that limit here.  It would not take much (just
>>> a slightly larger data set on one of the forms) to stop the user in it's
>>> tracks.
>>>
>>> Those same forms open in Access 2003:
>>> https://i.imgur.com/ed296vH.png
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Martin Reid <martinreid at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> He's been an amazing resource to
>>>> bounce ideas and questions off
>>>>
>>>> Has been for many years.
>>>>
>>>> Martin
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
>>>> Sent: ?17/?01/?2017 18:01
>>>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
>>>> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
>>>>
>>>> Assuming is mb?
>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 17, 2017 9:56 AM, "Ryan W" <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> For those following along:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> VMMap.exe (sysinternals) shows that Access 2003 sitting idle uses about
>>>> 75K
>>>>> of memory "total", Access 2013 (32 bit) is using 516K of memory "total"
>>>>> sitting idle. This is WITHOUT having my MDE/ACCDE loaded.
>>>>>
>>>>> Talk about bloat! It looks like a lot of this might be the 64 bit to 32
>>>> bit
>>>>> layer (SYSWOW)
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm still chasing down "JIT" forms (via Classes) with John Colby
>>>> providing
>>>>> assistance via email and telephone!  He's been an amazing resource to
>>>>> bounce ideas and questions off.
>>>>> --
>>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>> --
>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>
>> -- 
>> John W. Colby
>>
>> -- 
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

-- 
John W. Colby


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 20:56:55 2017
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 21:56:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
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You can tell what forms are open, there is a built-in collection for 
that.  Thus you can see what is already open and as a form opens have it 
refuse to open and shut back down with a warning (or something like 
that).  You could even do something semi-intelligent like discover how 
much each form uses and place it in a table such that you allow forms to 
open as long as the memory used stays below a threshold.

Ugly but possible.

On 1/17/2017 9:40 PM, Ryan Wehler wrote:
> I have one floating around. It's a marked improvement for sure but I'm not sure it will be enough.... I wish Access would release forms or tabs(form tabs not tab controls) that are in memory but not in focus to avoid stuff like this.
>
> If JIT controls isn't enough I'm not sure what else I can do other than try to tell people not to have too much open at once (like that would work)
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jan 17, 2017, at 8:22 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Have you managed to get a picture of the same 2013 x32 with JIT happening?
>>
>>> On 1/17/2017 3:35 PM, Ryan W wrote:
>>> A deeper look:
>>>
>>>
>>> Access 2013 32-bit on 64 bit OS:
>>> https://i.imgur.com/erUcFpo.png
>>>
>>> Access 2003 32-bit on 32 bit OS:
>>> https://i.imgur.com/1qCRQLm.png
>>>
>>>
>>> By the time I load my app up with JUST the switchboard open:
>>>
>>> Access 2013 32 bit:
>>> https://i.imgur.com/OkYxSsg.png
>>>
>>> Access 2003 32 bit:
>>> https://i.imgur.com/DeStcnt.png
>>>
>>>
>>> So I'm using 40% more memory just to run Access 2013!  Once I hit a "TOTAL"
>>> number of around 1.45GB I start getting out of resource errors.   When
>>> switching to 64 bit my memory wall becomes big enough (up to 8TB) that it's
>>> never ever a problem.
>>>
>>>
>>> Here we are with 5 of our most used and most commonly opened forms all
>>> opened up:
>>> https://i.imgur.com/RjPRpnd.png
>>>
>>> We are just barely skirting that limit here.  It would not take much (just
>>> a slightly larger data set on one of the forms) to stop the user in it's
>>> tracks.
>>>
>>> Those same forms open in Access 2003:
>>> https://i.imgur.com/ed296vH.png
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Martin Reid <martinreid at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> He's been an amazing resource to
>>>> bounce ideas and questions off
>>>>
>>>> Has been for many years.
>>>>
>>>> Martin
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
>>>> Sent: ?17/?01/?2017 18:01
>>>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
>>>> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
>>>>
>>>> Assuming is mb?
>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 17, 2017 9:56 AM, "Ryan W" <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> For those following along:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> VMMap.exe (sysinternals) shows that Access 2003 sitting idle uses about
>>>> 75K
>>>>> of memory "total", Access 2013 (32 bit) is using 516K of memory "total"
>>>>> sitting idle. This is WITHOUT having my MDE/ACCDE loaded.
>>>>>
>>>>> Talk about bloat! It looks like a lot of this might be the 64 bit to 32
>>>> bit
>>>>> layer (SYSWOW)
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm still chasing down "JIT" forms (via Classes) with John Colby
>>>> providing
>>>>> assistance via email and telephone!  He's been an amazing resource to
>>>>> bounce ideas and questions off.
>>>>> --
>>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>> --
>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>
>> -- 
>> John W. Colby
>>
>> -- 
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

-- 
John W. Colby


From wrwehler at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 21:00:43 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan Wehler)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 21:00:43 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
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I thought about coming up with a form_open event that looked up how many forms were open and would bark if more than X were and let you select one to close. But I don't think that nag would go over well.....

The easiest solution still seems to be to run the 64 bit version of Access. No JIT or memory management  involved.... to get us going down the next phase. 

But MS suggests you use the 32 bit version so I keep getting push back when I "ask around" about running 64 bit Access/Office. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 17, 2017, at 8:51 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Actually you can force the issue.
> 
>> On 1/17/2017 9:40 PM, Ryan Wehler wrote:
>> I have one floating around. It's a marked improvement for sure but I'm not sure it will be enough.... I wish Access would release forms or tabs(form tabs not tab controls) that are in memory but not in focus to avoid stuff like this.
>> 
>> If JIT controls isn't enough I'm not sure what else I can do other than try to tell people not to have too much open at once (like that would work)
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jan 17, 2017, at 8:22 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Have you managed to get a picture of the same 2013 x32 with JIT happening?
>>> 
>>>> On 1/17/2017 3:35 PM, Ryan W wrote:
>>>> A deeper look:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Access 2013 32-bit on 64 bit OS:
>>>> https://i.imgur.com/erUcFpo.png
>>>> 
>>>> Access 2003 32-bit on 32 bit OS:
>>>> https://i.imgur.com/1qCRQLm.png
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> By the time I load my app up with JUST the switchboard open:
>>>> 
>>>> Access 2013 32 bit:
>>>> https://i.imgur.com/OkYxSsg.png
>>>> 
>>>> Access 2003 32 bit:
>>>> https://i.imgur.com/DeStcnt.png
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> So I'm using 40% more memory just to run Access 2013!  Once I hit a "TOTAL"
>>>> number of around 1.45GB I start getting out of resource errors.   When
>>>> switching to 64 bit my memory wall becomes big enough (up to 8TB) that it's
>>>> never ever a problem.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Here we are with 5 of our most used and most commonly opened forms all
>>>> opened up:
>>>> https://i.imgur.com/RjPRpnd.png
>>>> 
>>>> We are just barely skirting that limit here.  It would not take much (just
>>>> a slightly larger data set on one of the forms) to stop the user in it's
>>>> tracks.
>>>> 
>>>> Those same forms open in Access 2003:
>>>> https://i.imgur.com/ed296vH.png
>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Martin Reid <martinreid at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> He's been an amazing resource to
>>>>> bounce ideas and questions off
>>>>> 
>>>>> Has been for many years.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Martin
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
>>>>> Sent: ?17/?01/?2017 18:01
>>>>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
>>>>> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Assuming is mb?
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 17, 2017 9:56 AM, "Ryan W" <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> For those following along:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> VMMap.exe (sysinternals) shows that Access 2003 sitting idle uses about
>>>>> 75K
>>>>>> of memory "total", Access 2013 (32 bit) is using 516K of memory "total"
>>>>>> sitting idle. This is WITHOUT having my MDE/ACCDE loaded.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Talk about bloat! It looks like a lot of this might be the 64 bit to 32
>>>>> bit
>>>>>> layer (SYSWOW)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm still chasing down "JIT" forms (via Classes) with John Colby
>>>>> providing
>>>>>> assistance via email and telephone!  He's been an amazing resource to
>>>>>> bounce ideas and questions off.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> --
>>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> John W. Colby
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
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> 
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 21:10:07 2017
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 22:10:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
In-Reply-To: <E11ECF6B-E6BD-482B-B707-6220FB76DE86@gmail.com>
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  hate to be the one to say it but IIWM I would be investigating Access 
2007 runtimes and just buy a copy of 2007 to dev in.  I have used 
runtimes extensively at one client.  No license required on the target 
machine.

You are developing around (or trying to) a HUGE issue with Access 2013.  
2007 definitely runs on Windows 10.  It also runs on the backwards 
Windows versions, perhaps even XP.

On 1/17/2017 10:00 PM, Ryan Wehler wrote:
> I thought about coming up with a form_open event that looked up how many forms were open and would bark if more than X were and let you select one to close. But I don't think that nag would go over well.....
>
> The easiest solution still seems to be to run the 64 bit version of Access. No JIT or memory management  involved.... to get us going down the next phase.
>
> But MS suggests you use the 32 bit version so I keep getting push back when I "ask around" about running 64 bit Access/Office.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jan 17, 2017, at 8:51 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Actually you can force the issue.
>>
>>> On 1/17/2017 9:40 PM, Ryan Wehler wrote:
>>> I have one floating around. It's a marked improvement for sure but I'm not sure it will be enough.... I wish Access would release forms or tabs(form tabs not tab controls) that are in memory but not in focus to avoid stuff like this.
>>>
>>> If JIT controls isn't enough I'm not sure what else I can do other than try to tell people not to have too much open at once (like that would work)
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On Jan 17, 2017, at 8:22 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Have you managed to get a picture of the same 2013 x32 with JIT happening?
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/17/2017 3:35 PM, Ryan W wrote:
>>>>> A deeper look:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Access 2013 32-bit on 64 bit OS:
>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/erUcFpo.png
>>>>>
>>>>> Access 2003 32-bit on 32 bit OS:
>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/1qCRQLm.png
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> By the time I load my app up with JUST the switchboard open:
>>>>>
>>>>> Access 2013 32 bit:
>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/OkYxSsg.png
>>>>>
>>>>> Access 2003 32 bit:
>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/DeStcnt.png
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So I'm using 40% more memory just to run Access 2013!  Once I hit a "TOTAL"
>>>>> number of around 1.45GB I start getting out of resource errors.   When
>>>>> switching to 64 bit my memory wall becomes big enough (up to 8TB) that it's
>>>>> never ever a problem.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Here we are with 5 of our most used and most commonly opened forms all
>>>>> opened up:
>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/RjPRpnd.png
>>>>>
>>>>> We are just barely skirting that limit here.  It would not take much (just
>>>>> a slightly larger data set on one of the forms) to stop the user in it's
>>>>> tracks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Those same forms open in Access 2003:
>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/ed296vH.png
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Martin Reid <martinreid at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He's been an amazing resource to
>>>>>> bounce ideas and questions off
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Has been for many years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Martin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Sent: ?17/?01/?2017 18:01
>>>>>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
>>>>>> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Assuming is mb?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 17, 2017 9:56 AM, "Ryan W" <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For those following along:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> VMMap.exe (sysinternals) shows that Access 2003 sitting idle uses about
>>>>>> 75K
>>>>>>> of memory "total", Access 2013 (32 bit) is using 516K of memory "total"
>>>>>>> sitting idle. This is WITHOUT having my MDE/ACCDE loaded.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Talk about bloat! It looks like a lot of this might be the 64 bit to 32
>>>>>> bit
>>>>>>> layer (SYSWOW)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm still chasing down "JIT" forms (via Classes) with John Colby
>>>>>> providing
>>>>>>> assistance via email and telephone!  He's been an amazing resource to
>>>>>>> bounce ideas and questions off.
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> -- 
>> John W. Colby
>>
>> -- 
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>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

-- 
John W. Colby


From wrwehler at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 21:16:53 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan Wehler)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 21:16:53 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
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I'll download the 2007 runtime and see what the memory situation is tomorrow. The problem is we run office 2013. So I'd have to do all my access dev work in a VM which is a pita.... but then again so is this..



Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 17, 2017, at 9:10 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> hate to be the one to say it but IIWM I would be investigating Access 2007 runtimes and just buy a copy of 2007 to dev in.  I have used runtimes extensively at one client.  No license required on the target machine.
> 
> You are developing around (or trying to) a HUGE issue with Access 2013.  2007 definitely runs on Windows 10.  It also runs on the backwards Windows versions, perhaps even XP.
> 
>> On 1/17/2017 10:00 PM, Ryan Wehler wrote:
>> I thought about coming up with a form_open event that looked up how many forms were open and would bark if more than X were and let you select one to close. But I don't think that nag would go over well.....
>> 
>> The easiest solution still seems to be to run the 64 bit version of Access. No JIT or memory management  involved.... to get us going down the next phase.
>> 
>> But MS suggests you use the 32 bit version so I keep getting push back when I "ask around" about running 64 bit Access/Office.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jan 17, 2017, at 8:51 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Actually you can force the issue.
>>> 
>>>> On 1/17/2017 9:40 PM, Ryan Wehler wrote:
>>>> I have one floating around. It's a marked improvement for sure but I'm not sure it will be enough.... I wish Access would release forms or tabs(form tabs not tab controls) that are in memory but not in focus to avoid stuff like this.
>>>> 
>>>> If JIT controls isn't enough I'm not sure what else I can do other than try to tell people not to have too much open at once (like that would work)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 17, 2017, at 8:22 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Have you managed to get a picture of the same 2013 x32 with JIT happening?
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 1/17/2017 3:35 PM, Ryan W wrote:
>>>>>> A deeper look:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Access 2013 32-bit on 64 bit OS:
>>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/erUcFpo.png
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Access 2003 32-bit on 32 bit OS:
>>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/1qCRQLm.png
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> By the time I load my app up with JUST the switchboard open:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Access 2013 32 bit:
>>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/OkYxSsg.png
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Access 2003 32 bit:
>>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/DeStcnt.png
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So I'm using 40% more memory just to run Access 2013!  Once I hit a "TOTAL"
>>>>>> number of around 1.45GB I start getting out of resource errors.   When
>>>>>> switching to 64 bit my memory wall becomes big enough (up to 8TB) that it's
>>>>>> never ever a problem.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Here we are with 5 of our most used and most commonly opened forms all
>>>>>> opened up:
>>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/RjPRpnd.png
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We are just barely skirting that limit here.  It would not take much (just
>>>>>> a slightly larger data set on one of the forms) to stop the user in it's
>>>>>> tracks.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Those same forms open in Access 2003:
>>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/ed296vH.png
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Martin Reid <martinreid at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> He's been an amazing resource to
>>>>>>> bounce ideas and questions off
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Has been for many years.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Martin
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: ?17/?01/?2017 18:01
>>>>>>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
>>>>>>> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Assuming is mb?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jan 17, 2017 9:56 AM, "Ryan W" <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> For those following along:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> VMMap.exe (sysinternals) shows that Access 2003 sitting idle uses about
>>>>>>> 75K
>>>>>>>> of memory "total", Access 2013 (32 bit) is using 516K of memory "total"
>>>>>>>> sitting idle. This is WITHOUT having my MDE/ACCDE loaded.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Talk about bloat! It looks like a lot of this might be the 64 bit to 32
>>>>>>> bit
>>>>>>>> layer (SYSWOW)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I'm still chasing down "JIT" forms (via Classes) with John Colby
>>>>>>> providing
>>>>>>>> assistance via email and telephone!  He's been an amazing resource to
>>>>>>>> bounce ideas and questions off.
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>>>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>> -- 
>>> John W. Colby
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> -- 
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> 
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From wrwehler at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 21:20:20 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan Wehler)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 21:20:20 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
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Then again you couldn't open my accdb made in 2013 with 2007 could you? That may be a problem... that wasn't even the compiled version either.

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 17, 2017, at 9:10 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> hate to be the one to say it but IIWM I would be investigating Access 2007 runtimes and just buy a copy of 2007 to dev in.  I have used runtimes extensively at one client.  No license required on the target machine.
> 
> You are developing around (or trying to) a HUGE issue with Access 2013.  2007 definitely runs on Windows 10.  It also runs on the backwards Windows versions, perhaps even XP.
> 
>> On 1/17/2017 10:00 PM, Ryan Wehler wrote:
>> I thought about coming up with a form_open event that looked up how many forms were open and would bark if more than X were and let you select one to close. But I don't think that nag would go over well.....
>> 
>> The easiest solution still seems to be to run the 64 bit version of Access. No JIT or memory management  involved.... to get us going down the next phase.
>> 
>> But MS suggests you use the 32 bit version so I keep getting push back when I "ask around" about running 64 bit Access/Office.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jan 17, 2017, at 8:51 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Actually you can force the issue.
>>> 
>>>> On 1/17/2017 9:40 PM, Ryan Wehler wrote:
>>>> I have one floating around. It's a marked improvement for sure but I'm not sure it will be enough.... I wish Access would release forms or tabs(form tabs not tab controls) that are in memory but not in focus to avoid stuff like this.
>>>> 
>>>> If JIT controls isn't enough I'm not sure what else I can do other than try to tell people not to have too much open at once (like that would work)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 17, 2017, at 8:22 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Have you managed to get a picture of the same 2013 x32 with JIT happening?
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 1/17/2017 3:35 PM, Ryan W wrote:
>>>>>> A deeper look:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Access 2013 32-bit on 64 bit OS:
>>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/erUcFpo.png
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Access 2003 32-bit on 32 bit OS:
>>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/1qCRQLm.png
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> By the time I load my app up with JUST the switchboard open:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Access 2013 32 bit:
>>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/OkYxSsg.png
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Access 2003 32 bit:
>>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/DeStcnt.png
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So I'm using 40% more memory just to run Access 2013!  Once I hit a "TOTAL"
>>>>>> number of around 1.45GB I start getting out of resource errors.   When
>>>>>> switching to 64 bit my memory wall becomes big enough (up to 8TB) that it's
>>>>>> never ever a problem.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Here we are with 5 of our most used and most commonly opened forms all
>>>>>> opened up:
>>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/RjPRpnd.png
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We are just barely skirting that limit here.  It would not take much (just
>>>>>> a slightly larger data set on one of the forms) to stop the user in it's
>>>>>> tracks.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Those same forms open in Access 2003:
>>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/ed296vH.png
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Martin Reid <martinreid at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> He's been an amazing resource to
>>>>>>> bounce ideas and questions off
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Has been for many years.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Martin
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: ?17/?01/?2017 18:01
>>>>>>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
>>>>>>> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Assuming is mb?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jan 17, 2017 9:56 AM, "Ryan W" <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> For those following along:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> VMMap.exe (sysinternals) shows that Access 2003 sitting idle uses about
>>>>>>> 75K
>>>>>>>> of memory "total", Access 2013 (32 bit) is using 516K of memory "total"
>>>>>>>> sitting idle. This is WITHOUT having my MDE/ACCDE loaded.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Talk about bloat! It looks like a lot of this might be the 64 bit to 32
>>>>>>> bit
>>>>>>>> layer (SYSWOW)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I'm still chasing down "JIT" forms (via Classes) with John Colby
>>>>>>> providing
>>>>>>>> assistance via email and telephone!  He's been an amazing resource to
>>>>>>>> bounce ideas and questions off.
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>>>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>> -- 
>>> John W. Colby
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> -- 
> John W. Colby
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From wrwehler at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 07:46:36 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan W)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 07:46:36 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
In-Reply-To: <4845D7EE-9E64-4D2D-91CB-1941501B4349@gmail.com>
References: <CAFXiSd_B_wBHBQZB3PCMzsyL-ZAO4yrTs0X5Wp+GipR43TUTvQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAA_iUE8nGpFhZrPaY-Hk3z0a-GS1uBUBbCp-4f_84uOTRORbQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<587e6aa4.84c3190a.c910f.cbb9@mx.google.com>
	<CAFXiSd--hizAajbWbrtG+AkJ5e0gL5khvnKAW=SSpCWDHSyymw@mail.gmail.com>
	<587ED169.4090403@Gmail.com>
	<86E61B43-99C3-4793-BB16-F839794C50BA@gmail.com>
	<587ED82A.40604@Gmail.com>
	<E11ECF6B-E6BD-482B-B707-6220FB76DE86@gmail.com>
	<587EDC8F.6080702@Gmail.com>
	<4845D7EE-9E64-4D2D-91CB-1941501B4349@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFXiSd-kJuGDsC4rJ_Sg5sMaU=jH8akP3c9_hiyZMS_xjkMu7g@mail.gmail.com>

Here's 64 on 64.  You can see that "Free" is approximately 8TB.  There are
no virtual memory limitations to hit with 64 on 64.
https://i.imgur.com/AlzQrqz.png



On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 9:20 PM, Ryan Wehler <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:

> Then again you couldn't open my accdb made in 2013 with 2007 could you?
> That may be a problem... that wasn't even the compiled version either.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jan 17, 2017, at 9:10 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > hate to be the one to say it but IIWM I would be investigating Access
> 2007 runtimes and just buy a copy of 2007 to dev in.  I have used runtimes
> extensively at one client.  No license required on the target machine.
> >
> > You are developing around (or trying to) a HUGE issue with Access 2013.
> 2007 definitely runs on Windows 10.  It also runs on the backwards Windows
> versions, perhaps even XP.
> >
> >> On 1/17/2017 10:00 PM, Ryan Wehler wrote:
> >> I thought about coming up with a form_open event that looked up how
> many forms were open and would bark if more than X were and let you select
> one to close. But I don't think that nag would go over well.....
> >>
> >> The easiest solution still seems to be to run the 64 bit version of
> Access. No JIT or memory management  involved.... to get us going down the
> next phase.
> >>
> >> But MS suggests you use the 32 bit version so I keep getting push back
> when I "ask around" about running 64 bit Access/Office.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >>> On Jan 17, 2017, at 8:51 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Actually you can force the issue.
> >>>
> >>>> On 1/17/2017 9:40 PM, Ryan Wehler wrote:
> >>>> I have one floating around. It's a marked improvement for sure but
> I'm not sure it will be enough.... I wish Access would release forms or
> tabs(form tabs not tab controls) that are in memory but not in focus to
> avoid stuff like this.
> >>>>
> >>>> If JIT controls isn't enough I'm not sure what else I can do other
> than try to tell people not to have too much open at once (like that would
> work)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Jan 17, 2017, at 8:22 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Have you managed to get a picture of the same 2013 x32 with JIT
> happening?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 1/17/2017 3:35 PM, Ryan W wrote:
> >>>>>> A deeper look:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Access 2013 32-bit on 64 bit OS:
> >>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/erUcFpo.png
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Access 2003 32-bit on 32 bit OS:
> >>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/1qCRQLm.png
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> By the time I load my app up with JUST the switchboard open:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Access 2013 32 bit:
> >>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/OkYxSsg.png
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Access 2003 32 bit:
> >>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/DeStcnt.png
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So I'm using 40% more memory just to run Access 2013!  Once I hit a
> "TOTAL"
> >>>>>> number of around 1.45GB I start getting out of resource errors.
>  When
> >>>>>> switching to 64 bit my memory wall becomes big enough (up to 8TB)
> that it's
> >>>>>> never ever a problem.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Here we are with 5 of our most used and most commonly opened forms
> all
> >>>>>> opened up:
> >>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/RjPRpnd.png
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We are just barely skirting that limit here.  It would not take
> much (just
> >>>>>> a slightly larger data set on one of the forms) to stop the user in
> it's
> >>>>>> tracks.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Those same forms open in Access 2003:
> >>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/ed296vH.png
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Martin Reid <martinreid at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> He's been an amazing resource to
> >>>>>>> bounce ideas and questions off
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Has been for many years.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Martin
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>> From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> Sent: ?17/?01/?2017 18:01
> >>>>>>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
> >>>>>>> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Assuming is mb?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Jan 17, 2017 9:56 AM, "Ryan W" <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> For those following along:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> VMMap.exe (sysinternals) shows that Access 2003 sitting idle uses
> about
> >>>>>>> 75K
> >>>>>>>> of memory "total", Access 2013 (32 bit) is using 516K of memory
> "total"
> >>>>>>>> sitting idle. This is WITHOUT having my MDE/ACCDE loaded.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Talk about bloat! It looks like a lot of this might be the 64 bit
> to 32
> >>>>>>> bit
> >>>>>>>> layer (SYSWOW)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I'm still chasing down "JIT" forms (via Classes) with John Colby
> >>>>>>> providing
> >>>>>>>> assistance via email and telephone!  He's been an amazing
> resource to
> >>>>>>>> bounce ideas and questions off.
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> AccessD mailing list
> >>>>>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >>>>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >>>>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> AccessD mailing list
> >>>>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >>>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >>>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> AccessD mailing list
> >>>>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >>>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >>>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> John W. Colby
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> AccessD mailing list
> >>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>> --
> >>> John W. Colby
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> AccessD mailing list
> >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > --
> > John W. Colby
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From wrwehler at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 07:57:25 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan W)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 07:57:25 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
In-Reply-To: <CAFXiSd-kJuGDsC4rJ_Sg5sMaU=jH8akP3c9_hiyZMS_xjkMu7g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFXiSd_B_wBHBQZB3PCMzsyL-ZAO4yrTs0X5Wp+GipR43TUTvQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAA_iUE8nGpFhZrPaY-Hk3z0a-GS1uBUBbCp-4f_84uOTRORbQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<587e6aa4.84c3190a.c910f.cbb9@mx.google.com>
	<CAFXiSd--hizAajbWbrtG+AkJ5e0gL5khvnKAW=SSpCWDHSyymw@mail.gmail.com>
	<587ED169.4090403@Gmail.com>
	<86E61B43-99C3-4793-BB16-F839794C50BA@gmail.com>
	<587ED82A.40604@Gmail.com>
	<E11ECF6B-E6BD-482B-B707-6220FB76DE86@gmail.com>
	<587EDC8F.6080702@Gmail.com>
	<4845D7EE-9E64-4D2D-91CB-1941501B4349@gmail.com>
	<CAFXiSd-kJuGDsC4rJ_Sg5sMaU=jH8akP3c9_hiyZMS_xjkMu7g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFXiSd-t4FFJNykuEj-yUVRtnOM_GcK30LPL5Rjy87vtpaJP+Q@mail.gmail.com>

Here's 2007 RUNTIME 32 bit on 64:

https://i.imgur.com/gltPxOh.png

Sadly I don't think 2007 will be a path worth chasing.  The initial bloat
is "about" the same as 2010/2013.

On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 7:46 AM, Ryan W <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> Here's 64 on 64.  You can see that "Free" is approximately 8TB.  There are
> no virtual memory limitations to hit with 64 on 64.
> https://i.imgur.com/AlzQrqz.png
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 9:20 PM, Ryan Wehler <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Then again you couldn't open my accdb made in 2013 with 2007 could you?
>> That may be a problem... that wasn't even the compiled version either.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> > On Jan 17, 2017, at 9:10 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > hate to be the one to say it but IIWM I would be investigating Access
>> 2007 runtimes and just buy a copy of 2007 to dev in.  I have used runtimes
>> extensively at one client.  No license required on the target machine.
>> >
>> > You are developing around (or trying to) a HUGE issue with Access
>> 2013.  2007 definitely runs on Windows 10.  It also runs on the backwards
>> Windows versions, perhaps even XP.
>> >
>> >> On 1/17/2017 10:00 PM, Ryan Wehler wrote:
>> >> I thought about coming up with a form_open event that looked up how
>> many forms were open and would bark if more than X were and let you select
>> one to close. But I don't think that nag would go over well.....
>> >>
>> >> The easiest solution still seems to be to run the 64 bit version of
>> Access. No JIT or memory management  involved.... to get us going down the
>> next phase.
>> >>
>> >> But MS suggests you use the 32 bit version so I keep getting push back
>> when I "ask around" about running 64 bit Access/Office.
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPad
>> >>
>> >>> On Jan 17, 2017, at 8:51 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Actually you can force the issue.
>> >>>
>> >>>> On 1/17/2017 9:40 PM, Ryan Wehler wrote:
>> >>>> I have one floating around. It's a marked improvement for sure but
>> I'm not sure it will be enough.... I wish Access would release forms or
>> tabs(form tabs not tab controls) that are in memory but not in focus to
>> avoid stuff like this.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> If JIT controls isn't enough I'm not sure what else I can do other
>> than try to tell people not to have too much open at once (like that would
>> work)
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Sent from my iPad
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Jan 17, 2017, at 8:22 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Have you managed to get a picture of the same 2013 x32 with JIT
>> happening?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 1/17/2017 3:35 PM, Ryan W wrote:
>> >>>>>> A deeper look:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Access 2013 32-bit on 64 bit OS:
>> >>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/erUcFpo.png
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Access 2003 32-bit on 32 bit OS:
>> >>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/1qCRQLm.png
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> By the time I load my app up with JUST the switchboard open:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Access 2013 32 bit:
>> >>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/OkYxSsg.png
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Access 2003 32 bit:
>> >>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/DeStcnt.png
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> So I'm using 40% more memory just to run Access 2013!  Once I hit
>> a "TOTAL"
>> >>>>>> number of around 1.45GB I start getting out of resource errors.
>>  When
>> >>>>>> switching to 64 bit my memory wall becomes big enough (up to 8TB)
>> that it's
>> >>>>>> never ever a problem.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Here we are with 5 of our most used and most commonly opened forms
>> all
>> >>>>>> opened up:
>> >>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/RjPRpnd.png
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> We are just barely skirting that limit here.  It would not take
>> much (just
>> >>>>>> a slightly larger data set on one of the forms) to stop the user
>> in it's
>> >>>>>> tracks.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Those same forms open in Access 2003:
>> >>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/ed296vH.png
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Martin Reid <
>> martinreid at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> He's been an amazing resource to
>> >>>>>>> bounce ideas and questions off
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Has been for many years.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Martin
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>>>> From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>> Sent: ?17/?01/?2017 18:01
>> >>>>>>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
>> >>>>>>> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Assuming is mb?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On Jan 17, 2017 9:56 AM, "Ryan W" <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> For those following along:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> VMMap.exe (sysinternals) shows that Access 2003 sitting idle
>> uses about
>> >>>>>>> 75K
>> >>>>>>>> of memory "total", Access 2013 (32 bit) is using 516K of memory
>> "total"
>> >>>>>>>> sitting idle. This is WITHOUT having my MDE/ACCDE loaded.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Talk about bloat! It looks like a lot of this might be the 64
>> bit to 32
>> >>>>>>> bit
>> >>>>>>>> layer (SYSWOW)
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I'm still chasing down "JIT" forms (via Classes) with John Colby
>> >>>>>>> providing
>> >>>>>>>> assistance via email and telephone!  He's been an amazing
>> resource to
>> >>>>>>>> bounce ideas and questions off.
>> >>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>> AccessD mailing list
>> >>>>>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> >>>>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> >>>>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>> AccessD mailing list
>> >>>>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> >>>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> >>>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> >>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>> AccessD mailing list
>> >>>>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> >>>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> >>>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>> John W. Colby
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>> AccessD mailing list
>> >>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> >>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> >>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> >>> --
>> >>> John W. Colby
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> AccessD mailing list
>> >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> >
>> > --
>> > John W. Colby
>> >
>> > --
>> > AccessD mailing list
>> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>

From wrwehler at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 08:40:10 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan W)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 08:40:10 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
In-Reply-To: <CAFXiSd_THUnK8sLG=p5L0YCS7Pq_LrWH0Ch8n5wp0Cm6MFoWvA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFXiSd_B_wBHBQZB3PCMzsyL-ZAO4yrTs0X5Wp+GipR43TUTvQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAA_iUE8nGpFhZrPaY-Hk3z0a-GS1uBUBbCp-4f_84uOTRORbQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<587e6aa4.84c3190a.c910f.cbb9@mx.google.com>
	<CAFXiSd--hizAajbWbrtG+AkJ5e0gL5khvnKAW=SSpCWDHSyymw@mail.gmail.com>
	<587ED169.4090403@Gmail.com>
	<86E61B43-99C3-4793-BB16-F839794C50BA@gmail.com>
	<587ED82A.40604@Gmail.com>
	<E11ECF6B-E6BD-482B-B707-6220FB76DE86@gmail.com>
	<587EDC8F.6080702@Gmail.com>
	<4845D7EE-9E64-4D2D-91CB-1941501B4349@gmail.com>
	<CAFXiSd-kJuGDsC4rJ_Sg5sMaU=jH8akP3c9_hiyZMS_xjkMu7g@mail.gmail.com>
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Here's non-JIT vs JIT (32bit 2013 on 64 bit).


https://imgur.com/ko8HJgU.jpg


You can see JIT (Bottom) saves about 17%. This is just with the switchboard
and our main data entry screen loaded.

It gives us room to stretch for sure.

From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Jan 20 07:56:20 2017
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 08:56:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT:Hosting providers
Message-ID: <A9DD29B9EFA844D8A3F57488C1BEE165@XPS>

 
 Somewhat off-topic; does anyone have any favorites as far as hosting
providers in the US?
 
 I've got a client that wants to move to a hosted situation for their server
as up-time is critical for them and they have limited IT staff (one person),
but 95% of my clients are on-prem, so I have limited experience in this
area.
 
 Wondering if anyone has good/bad experiences with anyone.
 
 I've been looking at:
 
Rackspace
Liquid Web
Infinitely Virtual
In Motion
ID Zoom
 
 Gustav mention on EE that I should look at Amazon Web Services as well (I
asked the same question there).
 
 We are looking to have a DC, TS Server, and possibly a file share server.
Their Access app, which is still JET/ACE based will reside entirely on the
TS server.   They have an office staff of about fifteen in three different
locations and users spread throughout the country.   In office users RDP
into a server now using thin clients.  
 
So this should be an easy move, but I want to make sure we pick the right
hosting provider.
 
Jim.

From carbonnb at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 10:29:54 2017
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 09:29:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT:Hosting providers
In-Reply-To: <A9DD29B9EFA844D8A3F57488C1BEE165@XPS>
References: <A9DD29B9EFA844D8A3F57488C1BEE165@XPS>
Message-ID: <CAAZtbWFkt30O-1yxaAu=6xHaFEPcTJKgnxdeKs3WW94Qsa-2pg@mail.gmail.com>

DBA uses RoseHosting for its mail. http://rosehosting.com

We have a Linux VPS and it's been pretty rock solid. Very little down time
over the years I've had the pleasure of serving as listmaster.

B

On 20 January 2017 at 06:56, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>  Somewhat off-topic; does anyone have any favorites as far as hosting
> providers in the US?
>
>  I've got a client that wants to move to a hosted situation for their
> server
> as up-time is critical for them and they have limited IT staff (one
> person),
> but 95% of my clients are on-prem, so I have limited experience in this
> area.
>
>  Wondering if anyone has good/bad experiences with anyone.
>
>  I've been looking at:
>
> Rackspace
> Liquid Web
> Infinitely Virtual
> In Motion
> ID Zoom
>
>  Gustav mention on EE that I should look at Amazon Web Services as well (I
> asked the same question there).
>
>  We are looking to have a DC, TS Server, and possibly a file share server.
> Their Access app, which is still JET/ACE based will reside entirely on the
> TS server.   They have an office staff of about fifteen in three different
> locations and users spread throughout the country.   In office users RDP
> into a server now using thin clients.
>
> So this should be an easy move, but I want to make sure we pick the right
> hosting provider.
>
> Jim.
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved
body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a
great ride!"

From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Jan 20 11:32:25 2017
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 12:32:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT:Hosting providers
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWFkt30O-1yxaAu=6xHaFEPcTJKgnxdeKs3WW94Qsa-2pg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A9DD29B9EFA844D8A3F57488C1BEE165@XPS>
	<CAAZtbWFkt30O-1yxaAu=6xHaFEPcTJKgnxdeKs3WW94Qsa-2pg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3CC6A339BC774C34A64439FB81613A2C@XPS>


 This looks like it's geared towards running web sites?

 Again this will be three virtual Window servers, a DC, File share, and
Terminal Services.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 11:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT:Hosting providers

DBA uses RoseHosting for its mail. http://rosehosting.com

We have a Linux VPS and it's been pretty rock solid. Very little down time
over the years I've had the pleasure of serving as listmaster.

B

On 20 January 2017 at 06:56, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>  Somewhat off-topic; does anyone have any favorites as far as hosting
> providers in the US?
>
>  I've got a client that wants to move to a hosted situation for their
> server
> as up-time is critical for them and they have limited IT staff (one
> person),
> but 95% of my clients are on-prem, so I have limited experience in this
> area.
>
>  Wondering if anyone has good/bad experiences with anyone.
>
>  I've been looking at:
>
> Rackspace
> Liquid Web
> Infinitely Virtual
> In Motion
> ID Zoom
>
>  Gustav mention on EE that I should look at Amazon Web Services as well (I
> asked the same question there).
>
>  We are looking to have a DC, TS Server, and possibly a file share server.
> Their Access app, which is still JET/ACE based will reside entirely on the
> TS server.   They have an office staff of about fifteen in three different
> locations and users spread throughout the country.   In office users RDP
> into a server now using thin clients.
>
> So this should be an easy move, but I want to make sure we pick the right
> hosting provider.
>
> Jim.
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



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body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a
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From wrwehler at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 11:42:45 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan W)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 11:42:45 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT:Hosting providers
In-Reply-To: <3CC6A339BC774C34A64439FB81613A2C@XPS>
References: <A9DD29B9EFA844D8A3F57488C1BEE165@XPS>
	<CAAZtbWFkt30O-1yxaAu=6xHaFEPcTJKgnxdeKs3WW94Qsa-2pg@mail.gmail.com>
	<3CC6A339BC774C34A64439FB81613A2C@XPS>
Message-ID: <CAFXiSd8BFQTrwvArVmLYjCiLcLsHgH1hewe=HNeg8qDQEGCOSw@mail.gmail.com>

Have you looked into any of the Azure services?

On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net>
wrote:

>
>  This looks like it's geared towards running web sites?
>
>  Again this will be three virtual Window servers, a DC, File share, and
> Terminal Services.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Bryan Carbonnell
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 11:30 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT:Hosting providers
>
> DBA uses RoseHosting for its mail. http://rosehosting.com
>
> We have a Linux VPS and it's been pretty rock solid. Very little down time
> over the years I've had the pleasure of serving as listmaster.
>
> B
>
> On 20 January 2017 at 06:56, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >  Somewhat off-topic; does anyone have any favorites as far as hosting
> > providers in the US?
> >
> >  I've got a client that wants to move to a hosted situation for their
> > server
> > as up-time is critical for them and they have limited IT staff (one
> > person),
> > but 95% of my clients are on-prem, so I have limited experience in this
> > area.
> >
> >  Wondering if anyone has good/bad experiences with anyone.
> >
> >  I've been looking at:
> >
> > Rackspace
> > Liquid Web
> > Infinitely Virtual
> > In Motion
> > ID Zoom
> >
> >  Gustav mention on EE that I should look at Amazon Web Services as well
> (I
> > asked the same question there).
> >
> >  We are looking to have a DC, TS Server, and possibly a file share
> server.
> > Their Access app, which is still JET/ACE based will reside entirely on
> the
> > TS server.   They have an office staff of about fifteen in three
> different
> > locations and users spread throughout the country.   In office users RDP
> > into a server now using thin clients.
> >
> > So this should be an easy move, but I want to make sure we pick the right
> > hosting provider.
> >
> > Jim.
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved
> body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a
> great ride!"
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
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>

From carbonnb at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 11:56:41 2017
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 10:56:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT:Hosting providers
In-Reply-To: <3CC6A339BC774C34A64439FB81613A2C@XPS>
References: <A9DD29B9EFA844D8A3F57488C1BEE165@XPS>
	<CAAZtbWFkt30O-1yxaAu=6xHaFEPcTJKgnxdeKs3WW94Qsa-2pg@mail.gmail.com>
	<3CC6A339BC774C34A64439FB81613A2C@XPS>
Message-ID: <CAAZtbWGuYs+bVNY-HFhp4AeVOBHGo9CH6Kbg9xLTfwArd-pB_w@mail.gmail.com>

Yes it is. I didn't read the original post thoroughly enough.

B

On 20 January 2017 at 10:32, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>  This looks like it's geared towards running web sites?
>
>  Again this will be three virtual Window servers, a DC, File share, and
> Terminal Services.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Bryan Carbonnell
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 11:30 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT:Hosting providers
>
> DBA uses RoseHosting for its mail. http://rosehosting.com
>
> We have a Linux VPS and it's been pretty rock solid. Very little down time
> over the years I've had the pleasure of serving as listmaster.
>
> B
>
> On 20 January 2017 at 06:56, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >  Somewhat off-topic; does anyone have any favorites as far as hosting
> > providers in the US?
> >
> >  I've got a client that wants to move to a hosted situation for their
> > server
> > as up-time is critical for them and they have limited IT staff (one
> > person),
> > but 95% of my clients are on-prem, so I have limited experience in this
> > area.
> >
> >  Wondering if anyone has good/bad experiences with anyone.
> >
> >  I've been looking at:
> >
> > Rackspace
> > Liquid Web
> > Infinitely Virtual
> > In Motion
> > ID Zoom
> >
> >  Gustav mention on EE that I should look at Amazon Web Services as well
> (I
> > asked the same question there).
> >
> >  We are looking to have a DC, TS Server, and possibly a file share
> server.
> > Their Access app, which is still JET/ACE based will reside entirely on
> the
> > TS server.   They have an office staff of about fifteen in three
> different
> > locations and users spread throughout the country.   In office users RDP
> > into a server now using thin clients.
> >
> > So this should be an easy move, but I want to make sure we pick the right
> > hosting provider.
> >
> > Jim.
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved
> body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a
> great ride!"
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved
body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a
great ride!"

From jwcolby at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 17:12:45 2017
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 18:12:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT:Hosting providers
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWFkt30O-1yxaAu=6xHaFEPcTJKgnxdeKs3WW94Qsa-2pg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A9DD29B9EFA844D8A3F57488C1BEE165@XPS>
	<CAAZtbWFkt30O-1yxaAu=6xHaFEPcTJKgnxdeKs3WW94Qsa-2pg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5882996D.9090107@Gmail.com>

we have had the honor of your being listmaster.

On 1/20/2017 11:29 AM, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:
> DBA uses RoseHosting for its mail. http://rosehosting.com
>
> We have a Linux VPS and it's been pretty rock solid. Very little down time
> over the years I've had the pleasure of serving as listmaster.
>
> B
>
> On 20 January 2017 at 06:56, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>   Somewhat off-topic; does anyone have any favorites as far as hosting
>> providers in the US?
>>
>>   I've got a client that wants to move to a hosted situation for their
>> server
>> as up-time is critical for them and they have limited IT staff (one
>> person),
>> but 95% of my clients are on-prem, so I have limited experience in this
>> area.
>>
>>   Wondering if anyone has good/bad experiences with anyone.
>>
>>   I've been looking at:
>>
>> Rackspace
>> Liquid Web
>> Infinitely Virtual
>> In Motion
>> ID Zoom
>>
>>   Gustav mention on EE that I should look at Amazon Web Services as well (I
>> asked the same question there).
>>
>>   We are looking to have a DC, TS Server, and possibly a file share server.
>> Their Access app, which is still JET/ACE based will reside entirely on the
>> TS server.   They have an office staff of about fifteen in three different
>> locations and users spread throughout the country.   In office users RDP
>> into a server now using thin clients.
>>
>> So this should be an easy move, but I want to make sure we pick the right
>> hosting provider.
>>
>> Jim.
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>

-- 
John W. Colby


From jbodin at sbor.com  Sat Jan 21 07:22:43 2017
From: jbodin at sbor.com (John Bodin)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2017 13:22:43 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT:Hosting providers
In-Reply-To: <5882996D.9090107@Gmail.com>
References: <A9DD29B9EFA844D8A3F57488C1BEE165@XPS>
	<CAAZtbWFkt30O-1yxaAu=6xHaFEPcTJKgnxdeKs3WW94Qsa-2pg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5882996D.9090107@Gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CY1PR0401MB10201E10EC489294CEF47253BD700@CY1PR0401MB1020.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Have multiple clients on LiquidWeb and have been pleased with their offerings and prompt, proactive tech support.  Shared and Dedicated solutions.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 6:13 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT:Hosting providers

we have had the honor of your being listmaster.

On 1/20/2017 11:29 AM, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:
> DBA uses RoseHosting for its mail. http://rosehosting.com
>
> We have a Linux VPS and it's been pretty rock solid. Very little down 
> time over the years I've had the pleasure of serving as listmaster.
>
> B
>
> On 20 January 2017 at 06:56, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>   Somewhat off-topic; does anyone have any favorites as far as 
>> hosting providers in the US?
>>
>>   I've got a client that wants to move to a hosted situation for 
>> their server as up-time is critical for them and they have limited IT 
>> staff (one person), but 95% of my clients are on-prem, so I have 
>> limited experience in this area.
>>
>>   Wondering if anyone has good/bad experiences with anyone.
>>
>>   I've been looking at:
>>
>> Rackspace
>> Liquid Web
>> Infinitely Virtual
>> In Motion
>> ID Zoom
>>
>>   Gustav mention on EE that I should look at Amazon Web Services as 
>> well (I asked the same question there).
>>
>>   We are looking to have a DC, TS Server, and possibly a file share server.
>> Their Access app, which is still JET/ACE based will reside entirely on the
>> TS server.   They have an office staff of about fifteen in three different
>> locations and users spread throughout the country.   In office users RDP
>> into a server now using thin clients.
>>
>> So this should be an easy move, but I want to make sure we pick the 
>> right hosting provider.
>>
>> Jim.
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>

--
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Sat Jan 21 18:27:38 2017
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2017 18:27:38 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT:Hosting providers
In-Reply-To: <5882996D.9090107@Gmail.com>
References: <A9DD29B9EFA844D8A3F57488C1BEE165@XPS>	<CAAZtbWFkt30O-1yxaAu=6xHaFEPcTJKgnxdeKs3WW94Qsa-2pg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5882996D.9090107@Gmail.com>
Message-ID: <24bc01d27446$564486f0$02cd94d0$@winhaven.net>

Absolutely!

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
John Colby
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 5:13 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT:Hosting providers

we have had the honor of your being listmaster.

On 1/20/2017 11:29 AM, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:
> DBA uses RoseHosting for its mail. http://rosehosting.com
>
> We have a Linux VPS and it's been pretty rock solid. Very little down 
> time over the years I've had the pleasure of serving as listmaster.
>
> B
>
> On 20 January 2017 at 06:56, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>   Somewhat off-topic; does anyone have any favorites as far as 
>> hosting providers in the US?
>>
>>   I've got a client that wants to move to a hosted situation for 
>> their server as up-time is critical for them and they have limited IT 
>> staff (one person), but 95% of my clients are on-prem, so I have 
>> limited experience in this area.
>>
>>   Wondering if anyone has good/bad experiences with anyone.
>>
>>   I've been looking at:
>>
>> Rackspace
>> Liquid Web
>> Infinitely Virtual
>> In Motion
>> ID Zoom
>>
>>   Gustav mention on EE that I should look at Amazon Web Services as 
>> well (I asked the same question there).
>>
>>   We are looking to have a DC, TS Server, and possibly a file share
server.
>> Their Access app, which is still JET/ACE based will reside entirely on
the
>> TS server.   They have an office staff of about fifteen in three
different
>> locations and users spread throughout the country.   In office users RDP
>> into a server now using thin clients.
>>
>> So this should be an easy move, but I want to make sure we pick the 
>> right hosting provider.
>>
>> Jim.
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>

--
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From kathryn at bassett.net  Sun Jan 22 10:44:00 2017
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 08:44:00 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT:Hosting providers
In-Reply-To: <24bc01d27446$564486f0$02cd94d0$@winhaven.net>
References: <A9DD29B9EFA844D8A3F57488C1BEE165@XPS>	<CAAZtbWFkt30O-1yxaAu=6xHaFEPcTJKgnxdeKs3WW94Qsa-2pg@mail.gmail.com>	<5882996D.9090107@Gmail.com>
	<24bc01d27446$564486f0$02cd94d0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <005601d274ce$bc410b30$34c32190$@bassett.net>

http://icdsoft.com - I've been using them since 1999 and never had a
problem. When I've had questions, even though there is no phone support, the
"ticket" system has given me answers within 1-2 minutes - faster than phone
calls in my opinion. And, their 1  HOUR RESPONSE GUARANTEE, is only covering
their buts because it's never taken more than 5 minutes, regardless of day
or night.

> > On 20 January 2017 at 06:56, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >>   Somewhat off-topic; does anyone have any favorites as far as
> >> hosting providers in the US?
> >>
> >>   I've got a client that wants to move to a hosted situation for
> >> their server as up-time is critical for them and they have limited IT
> >> staff (one person), but 95% of my clients are on-prem, so I have
> >> limited experience in this area.
> >>
> >>   Wondering if anyone has good/bad experiences with anyone.
> >>
> >>   I've been looking at:
> >>
> >> Rackspace
> >> Liquid Web
> >> Infinitely Virtual
> >> In Motion
> >> ID Zoom
> >>
> >>   Gustav mention on EE that I should look at Amazon Web Services as
> >> well (I asked the same question there).
> >>
> >>   We are looking to have a DC, TS Server, and possibly a file share
> server.
> >> Their Access app, which is still JET/ACE based will reside entirely
> >> on
> the
> >> TS server.   They have an office staff of about fifteen in three
> different
> >> locations and users spread throughout the country.   In office users
RDP
> >> into a server now using thin clients.
> >>
> >> So this should be an easy move, but I want to make sure we pick the
> >> right hosting provider.
> >>
> >> Jim.
> >> --
> >> AccessD mailing list
> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >
> >
> 
> --
> John W. Colby
> 
> --
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Sun Jan 22 10:53:36 2017
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 11:53:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT:Hosting providers
In-Reply-To: <CAFXiSd8BFQTrwvArVmLYjCiLcLsHgH1hewe=HNeg8qDQEGCOSw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A9DD29B9EFA844D8A3F57488C1BEE165@XPS>
	<CAAZtbWFkt30O-1yxaAu=6xHaFEPcTJKgnxdeKs3WW94Qsa-2pg@mail.gmail.com>
	<3CC6A339BC774C34A64439FB81613A2C@XPS>
	<CAFXiSd8BFQTrwvArVmLYjCiLcLsHgH1hewe=HNeg8qDQEGCOSw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3F82C1CB0F314A7B9ED815643BABDF10@XPS>


 <<Azure services>>

 No.   As I mentioned in my post, the ones listed were the ones I was
looking at. I have not gone beyond that other than to look at Amazon Web
services at Gustav's suggestion on Experts-Exchange.  So far, I've not been
able to make heads of tails out of what it is they offer because they have
so many products.  I plan to call them tomorrow.

 Infinitely Virtual I have good first hand experience with having a client
running on them for the past six years with a setup very similar to what I'm
looking to do now. Liquid Metal I have some experience with through another
client, but it's strictly hosting a web site there.

 Both have been good, but lately IV has been giving us issues.  We've had
some odds and ends problems, and we've had a long standing networking
problem.   They tried very hard to fix (and I give them credit for that),
but they were never able to resolve it.  With Access, we had database
corruptions until we moved the DB's onto the TS server.   With other
software we've had network disconnects in talking to SQL Server, but those
have been livable.  I don't know if it's VMware or what, but the client
never had those issues before switching to a virtual environment.

 Liquid Metal has been solid enough, but we've only used them to host a web
site, so not sure what that might mean for server hosting.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Ryan W
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 12:43 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT:Hosting providers

Have you looked into any of the Azure services?

On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net>
wrote:

>
>  This looks like it's geared towards running web sites?
>
>  Again this will be three virtual Window servers, a DC, File share, and
> Terminal Services.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Bryan Carbonnell
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 11:30 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT:Hosting providers
>
> DBA uses RoseHosting for its mail. http://rosehosting.com
>
> We have a Linux VPS and it's been pretty rock solid. Very little down time
> over the years I've had the pleasure of serving as listmaster.
>
> B
>
> On 20 January 2017 at 06:56, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >  Somewhat off-topic; does anyone have any favorites as far as hosting
> > providers in the US?
> >
> >  I've got a client that wants to move to a hosted situation for their
> > server
> > as up-time is critical for them and they have limited IT staff (one
> > person),
> > but 95% of my clients are on-prem, so I have limited experience in this
> > area.
> >
> >  Wondering if anyone has good/bad experiences with anyone.
> >
> >  I've been looking at:
> >
> > Rackspace
> > Liquid Web
> > Infinitely Virtual
> > In Motion
> > ID Zoom
> >
> >  Gustav mention on EE that I should look at Amazon Web Services as well
> (I
> > asked the same question there).
> >
> >  We are looking to have a DC, TS Server, and possibly a file share
> server.
> > Their Access app, which is still JET/ACE based will reside entirely on
> the
> > TS server.   They have an office staff of about fifteen in three
> different
> > locations and users spread throughout the country.   In office users RDP
> > into a server now using thin clients.
> >
> > So this should be an easy move, but I want to make sure we pick the
right
> > hosting provider.
> >
> > Jim.
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved
> body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a
> great ride!"
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 18:30:48 2017
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 19:30:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
In-Reply-To: <CAFXiSd--hizAajbWbrtG+AkJ5e0gL5khvnKAW=SSpCWDHSyymw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFXiSd_B_wBHBQZB3PCMzsyL-ZAO4yrTs0X5Wp+GipR43TUTvQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Are you building recordsets? I found a couple years ago I had to keep track
of memory as I was creating recordsets, looping through them, performing
certain routines, because Ac2013 was not releasing memory. Big time memory
leaks.

I stole this code from somewhere to get how much memory was being used and
would test this midroutine, sending a msgbox to the user to quit the
application if they exceeded 800MB.


Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Type PROCESS_MEMORY_COUNTERS
   cb                         As Long
   PageFaultCount             As Long
   PeakWorkingSetSize         As Long
   WorkingSetSize             As Long
   QuotaPeakPagedPoolUsage    As Long
   QuotaPagedPoolUsage        As Long
   QuotaPeakNonPagedPoolUsage As Long
   QuotaNonPagedPoolUsage     As Long
   PagefileUsage              As Long
   PeakPagefileUsage          As Long
End Type

Private Const PROCESS_QUERY_INFORMATION = 1024
Private Const PROCESS_VM_READ = 16

Private Declare Function GetCurrentProcessId Lib "kernel32" () As Long
Private Declare Function EnumProcessModules Lib "PSAPI.DLL" (ByVal hProcess
As Long, lphModule As Long, ByVal cb As Long, lpcbNeeded As Long) As Long
Private Declare Function OpenProcess Lib "kernel32.dll" (ByVal
dwDesiredAccessas As Long, ByVal bInheritHandle As Long, ByVal dwProcId As
Long) As Long
Private Declare Function GetProcessMemoryInfo Lib "PSAPI.DLL" (ByVal
hProcess As Long, ppsmemCounters As PROCESS_MEMORY_COUNTERS, ByVal cb As
Long) As Long
Private Declare Function CloseHandle Lib "kernel32.dll" (ByVal Handle As
Long) As Long


Public Function Mem() As Long

  Dim lngCBSize2           As Long
  Dim lngModules(1 To 200) As Long
  Dim lngReturn            As Long
  Dim lngHwndProcess       As Long
  Dim pmc                  As PROCESS_MEMORY_COUNTERS
  Dim lRet                 As Long
  Dim MemDelta             As Long
  Static MemUsed           As Long


  'Get a handle to the Process and Open
  lngHwndProcess = OpenProcess(PROCESS_QUERY_INFORMATION Or
PROCESS_VM_READ, 0, GetCurrentProcessId)

  If lngHwndProcess <> 0 Then

      'Get an array of the module handles for the specified process
      lngReturn = EnumProcessModules(lngHwndProcess, lngModules(1), 200,
lngCBSize2)

      'If the Module Array is retrieved, Get the ModuleFileName
        If lngReturn <> 0 Then
            'Get the Site of the Memory Structure
            pmc.cb = LenB(pmc)
            lRet = GetProcessMemoryInfo(lngHwndProcess, pmc, pmc.cb)

            Mem = pmc.WorkingSetSize
        End If

  End If

  'Close the handle to this process
  lngReturn = CloseHandle(lngHwndProcess)

End Function

From bensonforums at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 18:36:57 2017
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 19:36:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Destroying form object causes Access 2013 to crash?
In-Reply-To: <CAFXiSd_26AgcCQHYYNXYZLfpJHpnd8Hweo62=UwNpwzxJzmPRg@mail.gmail.com>
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It doesn't make sense to me to set an object which has inherited an event
to nothing inside its own terminate event. Think about it from other
classes' standpoint.

In Excel's ThisWorkbook_Close() event
     Set ThisWorkbook = Nothing

Huh??

The only places to set something modeled after a class = Nothing is outside
of the class module code.

That's my 3/4 of a cent.

On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Ryan W <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am going through John Colby's class posts from 2009 and when I close the
> frmDemoCtls form my app crashes.
>
> Private Sub mfrm_Close()
>      Set mfrm = Nothing
> End Sub
>
>
> If I comment out set mfrm = Nothing then I do not get the crash.
>
> So far the rest of the demo works. The controls change colors, I even added
> a tab control to fetch the value of the tab being clicked with a new tab
> class.... so I know that the mfrm object is being set and utilized...
>
>
> Has anyone tried his class code in anything newer (Access 2010 or 2013 or
> 2016) since his postings?
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From wrwehler at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 19:05:12 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan Wehler)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 19:05:12 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_11EOmZN-jmw=E8Ykqxits8aK-zrqTSiS+eYxwtmjncjw@mail.gmail.com>
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Yes many record sets are used in various ways. I always close and set them to nothing as needed. I'll check out your code in the AM. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 23, 2017, at 6:30 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Are you building recordsets? I found a couple years ago I had to keep track
> of memory as I was creating recordsets, looping through them, performing
> certain routines, because Ac2013 was not releasing memory. Big time memory
> leaks.
> 
> I stole this code from somewhere to get how much memory was being used and
> would test this midroutine, sending a msgbox to the user to quit the
> application if they exceeded 800MB.
> 
> 
> Option Compare Database
> Option Explicit
> 
> Type PROCESS_MEMORY_COUNTERS
>   cb                         As Long
>   PageFaultCount             As Long
>   PeakWorkingSetSize         As Long
>   WorkingSetSize             As Long
>   QuotaPeakPagedPoolUsage    As Long
>   QuotaPagedPoolUsage        As Long
>   QuotaPeakNonPagedPoolUsage As Long
>   QuotaNonPagedPoolUsage     As Long
>   PagefileUsage              As Long
>   PeakPagefileUsage          As Long
> End Type
> 
> Private Const PROCESS_QUERY_INFORMATION = 1024
> Private Const PROCESS_VM_READ = 16
> 
> Private Declare Function GetCurrentProcessId Lib "kernel32" () As Long
> Private Declare Function EnumProcessModules Lib "PSAPI.DLL" (ByVal hProcess
> As Long, lphModule As Long, ByVal cb As Long, lpcbNeeded As Long) As Long
> Private Declare Function OpenProcess Lib "kernel32.dll" (ByVal
> dwDesiredAccessas As Long, ByVal bInheritHandle As Long, ByVal dwProcId As
> Long) As Long
> Private Declare Function GetProcessMemoryInfo Lib "PSAPI.DLL" (ByVal
> hProcess As Long, ppsmemCounters As PROCESS_MEMORY_COUNTERS, ByVal cb As
> Long) As Long
> Private Declare Function CloseHandle Lib "kernel32.dll" (ByVal Handle As
> Long) As Long
> 
> 
> Public Function Mem() As Long
> 
>  Dim lngCBSize2           As Long
>  Dim lngModules(1 To 200) As Long
>  Dim lngReturn            As Long
>  Dim lngHwndProcess       As Long
>  Dim pmc                  As PROCESS_MEMORY_COUNTERS
>  Dim lRet                 As Long
>  Dim MemDelta             As Long
>  Static MemUsed           As Long
> 
> 
>  'Get a handle to the Process and Open
>  lngHwndProcess = OpenProcess(PROCESS_QUERY_INFORMATION Or
> PROCESS_VM_READ, 0, GetCurrentProcessId)
> 
>  If lngHwndProcess <> 0 Then
> 
>      'Get an array of the module handles for the specified process
>      lngReturn = EnumProcessModules(lngHwndProcess, lngModules(1), 200,
> lngCBSize2)
> 
>      'If the Module Array is retrieved, Get the ModuleFileName
>        If lngReturn <> 0 Then
>            'Get the Site of the Memory Structure
>            pmc.cb = LenB(pmc)
>            lRet = GetProcessMemoryInfo(lngHwndProcess, pmc, pmc.cb)
> 
>            Mem = pmc.WorkingSetSize
>        End If
> 
>  End If
> 
>  'Close the handle to this process
>  lngReturn = CloseHandle(lngHwndProcess)
> 
> End Function
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 19:27:21 2017
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 20:27:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
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Closing them does not affect the memory hoarding. If it did I would have
solved the problem that way, but it just doesnt work, Ac2013 has memory
management problems.

>From my non-flammable Note 3,
Bill Benson

On Jan 23, 2017 8:07 PM, "Ryan Wehler" <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes many record sets are used in various ways. I always close and set them
> to nothing as needed. I'll check out your code in the AM.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jan 23, 2017, at 6:30 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Are you building recordsets? I found a couple years ago I had to keep
> track
> > of memory as I was creating recordsets, looping through them, performing
> > certain routines, because Ac2013 was not releasing memory. Big time
> memory
> > leaks.
> >
> > I stole this code from somewhere to get how much memory was being used
> and
> > would test this midroutine, sending a msgbox to the user to quit the
> > application if they exceeded 800MB.
> >
> >
> > Option Compare Database
> > Option Explicit
> >
> > Type PROCESS_MEMORY_COUNTERS
> >   cb                         As Long
> >   PageFaultCount             As Long
> >   PeakWorkingSetSize         As Long
> >   WorkingSetSize             As Long
> >   QuotaPeakPagedPoolUsage    As Long
> >   QuotaPagedPoolUsage        As Long
> >   QuotaPeakNonPagedPoolUsage As Long
> >   QuotaNonPagedPoolUsage     As Long
> >   PagefileUsage              As Long
> >   PeakPagefileUsage          As Long
> > End Type
> >
> > Private Const PROCESS_QUERY_INFORMATION = 1024
> > Private Const PROCESS_VM_READ = 16
> >
> > Private Declare Function GetCurrentProcessId Lib "kernel32" () As Long
> > Private Declare Function EnumProcessModules Lib "PSAPI.DLL" (ByVal
> hProcess
> > As Long, lphModule As Long, ByVal cb As Long, lpcbNeeded As Long) As Long
> > Private Declare Function OpenProcess Lib "kernel32.dll" (ByVal
> > dwDesiredAccessas As Long, ByVal bInheritHandle As Long, ByVal dwProcId
> As
> > Long) As Long
> > Private Declare Function GetProcessMemoryInfo Lib "PSAPI.DLL" (ByVal
> > hProcess As Long, ppsmemCounters As PROCESS_MEMORY_COUNTERS, ByVal cb As
> > Long) As Long
> > Private Declare Function CloseHandle Lib "kernel32.dll" (ByVal Handle As
> > Long) As Long
> >
> >
> > Public Function Mem() As Long
> >
> >  Dim lngCBSize2           As Long
> >  Dim lngModules(1 To 200) As Long
> >  Dim lngReturn            As Long
> >  Dim lngHwndProcess       As Long
> >  Dim pmc                  As PROCESS_MEMORY_COUNTERS
> >  Dim lRet                 As Long
> >  Dim MemDelta             As Long
> >  Static MemUsed           As Long
> >
> >
> >  'Get a handle to the Process and Open
> >  lngHwndProcess = OpenProcess(PROCESS_QUERY_INFORMATION Or
> > PROCESS_VM_READ, 0, GetCurrentProcessId)
> >
> >  If lngHwndProcess <> 0 Then
> >
> >      'Get an array of the module handles for the specified process
> >      lngReturn = EnumProcessModules(lngHwndProcess, lngModules(1), 200,
> > lngCBSize2)
> >
> >      'If the Module Array is retrieved, Get the ModuleFileName
> >        If lngReturn <> 0 Then
> >            'Get the Site of the Memory Structure
> >            pmc.cb = LenB(pmc)
> >            lRet = GetProcessMemoryInfo(lngHwndProcess, pmc, pmc.cb)
> >
> >            Mem = pmc.WorkingSetSize
> >        End If
> >
> >  End If
> >
> >  'Close the handle to this process
> >  lngReturn = CloseHandle(lngHwndProcess)
> >
> > End Function
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From wrwehler at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 19:34:22 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan Wehler)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 19:34:22 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
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I wonder if it's fixed in Access 2016. I could give my users that runtime.... 

I don't know that I've seen anyone else mention Access 2013 memory inefficiencies aside from you and me. 

Really frustrating. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 23, 2017, at 7:27 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Closing them does not affect the memory hoarding. If it did I would have
> solved the problem that way, but it just doesnt work, Ac2013 has memory
> management problems.
> 
> From my non-flammable Note 3,
> Bill Benson
> 
>> On Jan 23, 2017 8:07 PM, "Ryan Wehler" <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes many record sets are used in various ways. I always close and set them
>> to nothing as needed. I'll check out your code in the AM.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jan 23, 2017, at 6:30 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are you building recordsets? I found a couple years ago I had to keep
>> track
>>> of memory as I was creating recordsets, looping through them, performing
>>> certain routines, because Ac2013 was not releasing memory. Big time
>> memory
>>> leaks.
>>> 
>>> I stole this code from somewhere to get how much memory was being used
>> and
>>> would test this midroutine, sending a msgbox to the user to quit the
>>> application if they exceeded 800MB.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Option Compare Database
>>> Option Explicit
>>> 
>>> Type PROCESS_MEMORY_COUNTERS
>>>  cb                         As Long
>>>  PageFaultCount             As Long
>>>  PeakWorkingSetSize         As Long
>>>  WorkingSetSize             As Long
>>>  QuotaPeakPagedPoolUsage    As Long
>>>  QuotaPagedPoolUsage        As Long
>>>  QuotaPeakNonPagedPoolUsage As Long
>>>  QuotaNonPagedPoolUsage     As Long
>>>  PagefileUsage              As Long
>>>  PeakPagefileUsage          As Long
>>> End Type
>>> 
>>> Private Const PROCESS_QUERY_INFORMATION = 1024
>>> Private Const PROCESS_VM_READ = 16
>>> 
>>> Private Declare Function GetCurrentProcessId Lib "kernel32" () As Long
>>> Private Declare Function EnumProcessModules Lib "PSAPI.DLL" (ByVal
>> hProcess
>>> As Long, lphModule As Long, ByVal cb As Long, lpcbNeeded As Long) As Long
>>> Private Declare Function OpenProcess Lib "kernel32.dll" (ByVal
>>> dwDesiredAccessas As Long, ByVal bInheritHandle As Long, ByVal dwProcId
>> As
>>> Long) As Long
>>> Private Declare Function GetProcessMemoryInfo Lib "PSAPI.DLL" (ByVal
>>> hProcess As Long, ppsmemCounters As PROCESS_MEMORY_COUNTERS, ByVal cb As
>>> Long) As Long
>>> Private Declare Function CloseHandle Lib "kernel32.dll" (ByVal Handle As
>>> Long) As Long
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Public Function Mem() As Long
>>> 
>>> Dim lngCBSize2           As Long
>>> Dim lngModules(1 To 200) As Long
>>> Dim lngReturn            As Long
>>> Dim lngHwndProcess       As Long
>>> Dim pmc                  As PROCESS_MEMORY_COUNTERS
>>> Dim lRet                 As Long
>>> Dim MemDelta             As Long
>>> Static MemUsed           As Long
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 'Get a handle to the Process and Open
>>> lngHwndProcess = OpenProcess(PROCESS_QUERY_INFORMATION Or
>>> PROCESS_VM_READ, 0, GetCurrentProcessId)
>>> 
>>> If lngHwndProcess <> 0 Then
>>> 
>>>     'Get an array of the module handles for the specified process
>>>     lngReturn = EnumProcessModules(lngHwndProcess, lngModules(1), 200,
>>> lngCBSize2)
>>> 
>>>     'If the Module Array is retrieved, Get the ModuleFileName
>>>       If lngReturn <> 0 Then
>>>           'Get the Site of the Memory Structure
>>>           pmc.cb = LenB(pmc)
>>>           lRet = GetProcessMemoryInfo(lngHwndProcess, pmc, pmc.cb)
>>> 
>>>           Mem = pmc.WorkingSetSize
>>>       End If
>>> 
>>> End If
>>> 
>>> 'Close the handle to this process
>>> lngReturn = CloseHandle(lngHwndProcess)
>>> 
>>> End Function
>>> --
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>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> 
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 19:43:43 2017
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 20:43:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
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Well I spent a week on the issue and posed on this back in 2015 and I
didn't get any help either. Maybe if I had the group here "peer review" my
code someone would point put where I failed to take note of something.
But thing is I had a simple recordset. I was connected to SharePoint lists.

I would loop through each record, export a report (as pdf it so happens)
and by about the 30th item I was getting out of memory. I wasn't creating
any objects except the initial recordset.

So I concluded access sucks at memory management.

I just moved on.

Sorry if this is not much help and not a rigorous test.

>From my non-flammable Note 3,
Bill Benson

On Jan 23, 2017 8:36 PM, "Ryan Wehler" <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:

> I wonder if it's fixed in Access 2016. I could give my users that
> runtime....
>
> I don't know that I've seen anyone else mention Access 2013 memory
> inefficiencies aside from you and me.
>
> Really frustrating.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jan 23, 2017, at 7:27 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Closing them does not affect the memory hoarding. If it did I would have
> > solved the problem that way, but it just doesnt work, Ac2013 has memory
> > management problems.
> >
> > From my non-flammable Note 3,
> > Bill Benson
> >
> >> On Jan 23, 2017 8:07 PM, "Ryan Wehler" <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Yes many record sets are used in various ways. I always close and set
> them
> >> to nothing as needed. I'll check out your code in the AM.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >>> On Jan 23, 2017, at 6:30 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Are you building recordsets? I found a couple years ago I had to keep
> >> track
> >>> of memory as I was creating recordsets, looping through them,
> performing
> >>> certain routines, because Ac2013 was not releasing memory. Big time
> >> memory
> >>> leaks.
> >>>
> >>> I stole this code from somewhere to get how much memory was being used
> >> and
> >>> would test this midroutine, sending a msgbox to the user to quit the
> >>> application if they exceeded 800MB.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Option Compare Database
> >>> Option Explicit
> >>>
> >>> Type PROCESS_MEMORY_COUNTERS
> >>>  cb                         As Long
> >>>  PageFaultCount             As Long
> >>>  PeakWorkingSetSize         As Long
> >>>  WorkingSetSize             As Long
> >>>  QuotaPeakPagedPoolUsage    As Long
> >>>  QuotaPagedPoolUsage        As Long
> >>>  QuotaPeakNonPagedPoolUsage As Long
> >>>  QuotaNonPagedPoolUsage     As Long
> >>>  PagefileUsage              As Long
> >>>  PeakPagefileUsage          As Long
> >>> End Type
> >>>
> >>> Private Const PROCESS_QUERY_INFORMATION = 1024
> >>> Private Const PROCESS_VM_READ = 16
> >>>
> >>> Private Declare Function GetCurrentProcessId Lib "kernel32" () As Long
> >>> Private Declare Function EnumProcessModules Lib "PSAPI.DLL" (ByVal
> >> hProcess
> >>> As Long, lphModule As Long, ByVal cb As Long, lpcbNeeded As Long) As
> Long
> >>> Private Declare Function OpenProcess Lib "kernel32.dll" (ByVal
> >>> dwDesiredAccessas As Long, ByVal bInheritHandle As Long, ByVal dwProcId
> >> As
> >>> Long) As Long
> >>> Private Declare Function GetProcessMemoryInfo Lib "PSAPI.DLL" (ByVal
> >>> hProcess As Long, ppsmemCounters As PROCESS_MEMORY_COUNTERS, ByVal cb
> As
> >>> Long) As Long
> >>> Private Declare Function CloseHandle Lib "kernel32.dll" (ByVal Handle
> As
> >>> Long) As Long
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Public Function Mem() As Long
> >>>
> >>> Dim lngCBSize2           As Long
> >>> Dim lngModules(1 To 200) As Long
> >>> Dim lngReturn            As Long
> >>> Dim lngHwndProcess       As Long
> >>> Dim pmc                  As PROCESS_MEMORY_COUNTERS
> >>> Dim lRet                 As Long
> >>> Dim MemDelta             As Long
> >>> Static MemUsed           As Long
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 'Get a handle to the Process and Open
> >>> lngHwndProcess = OpenProcess(PROCESS_QUERY_INFORMATION Or
> >>> PROCESS_VM_READ, 0, GetCurrentProcessId)
> >>>
> >>> If lngHwndProcess <> 0 Then
> >>>
> >>>     'Get an array of the module handles for the specified process
> >>>     lngReturn = EnumProcessModules(lngHwndProcess, lngModules(1), 200,
> >>> lngCBSize2)
> >>>
> >>>     'If the Module Array is retrieved, Get the ModuleFileName
> >>>       If lngReturn <> 0 Then
> >>>           'Get the Site of the Memory Structure
> >>>           pmc.cb = LenB(pmc)
> >>>           lRet = GetProcessMemoryInfo(lngHwndProcess, pmc, pmc.cb)
> >>>
> >>>           Mem = pmc.WorkingSetSize
> >>>       End If
> >>>
> >>> End If
> >>>
> >>> 'Close the handle to this process
> >>> lngReturn = CloseHandle(lngHwndProcess)
> >>>
> >>> End Function
> >>> --
> >>> AccessD mailing list
> >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >> --
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> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> >>
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>
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 19:46:14 2017
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 20:46:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fwd: Re:  Ac2013 running out of resources
In-Reply-To: <026d01d0a255$89043aa0$9b0cafe0$@net>
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Ryan this is FYI

>From my non-flammable Note 3,
Bill Benson
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>
Date: Jun 8, 2015 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ac2013 running out of resources
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc:

Thanks Jurgen - this totally confirms my suspicions: BUG

How much memory can AC-2013 consume ? Try 65 GIGs.
Yep...I've seen it in Task Manager. Unbelievable.

Another QA debacle by MSFT.
Attempt development with AC2013 AT YOUR OWN RISK.




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From df.waters at outlook.com  Mon Jan 23 20:09:41 2017
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 02:09:41 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
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Hi Bill,

I think what might be happening is that as your code loops through, there is a variable that represent the report in some way.  That variable is not being set to nothing before each new report is created, and that's where your memory is being consumed.

Try something like this:

Dim pdf

For each X in recordset

'Create report
Pdf = 'code'

'Export report
Pdf.Export

Set pdf = nothing

Next X

So, after you are finished processing the pdf, set it's variable to nothing.  That would hopefully prevent memory consumption from accumulating.  

Good Luck,
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Benson
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 19:44
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?

Well I spent a week on the issue and posed on this back in 2015 and I didn't get any help either. Maybe if I had the group here "peer review" my code someone would point put where I failed to take note of something.
But thing is I had a simple recordset. I was connected to SharePoint lists.

I would loop through each record, export a report (as pdf it so happens) and by about the 30th item I was getting out of memory. I wasn't creating any objects except the initial recordset.

So I concluded access sucks at memory management.

I just moved on.

Sorry if this is not much help and not a rigorous test.

>From my non-flammable Note 3,
Bill Benson

On Jan 23, 2017 8:36 PM, "Ryan Wehler" <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:

> I wonder if it's fixed in Access 2016. I could give my users that 
> runtime....
>
> I don't know that I've seen anyone else mention Access 2013 memory 
> inefficiencies aside from you and me.
>
> Really frustrating.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jan 23, 2017, at 7:27 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Closing them does not affect the memory hoarding. If it did I would 
> > have solved the problem that way, but it just doesnt work, Ac2013 
> > has memory management problems.
> >
> > From my non-flammable Note 3,
> > Bill Benson
> >
> >> On Jan 23, 2017 8:07 PM, "Ryan Wehler" <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Yes many record sets are used in various ways. I always close and 
> >> set
> them
> >> to nothing as needed. I'll check out your code in the AM.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >>> On Jan 23, 2017, at 6:30 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Are you building recordsets? I found a couple years ago I had to 
> >>> keep
> >> track
> >>> of memory as I was creating recordsets, looping through them,
> performing
> >>> certain routines, because Ac2013 was not releasing memory. Big 
> >>> time
> >> memory
> >>> leaks.
> >>>
> >>> I stole this code from somewhere to get how much memory was being 
> >>> used
> >> and
> >>> would test this midroutine, sending a msgbox to the user to quit 
> >>> the application if they exceeded 800MB.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Option Compare Database
> >>> Option Explicit
> >>>
> >>> Type PROCESS_MEMORY_COUNTERS
> >>>  cb                         As Long
> >>>  PageFaultCount             As Long
> >>>  PeakWorkingSetSize         As Long
> >>>  WorkingSetSize             As Long
> >>>  QuotaPeakPagedPoolUsage    As Long
> >>>  QuotaPagedPoolUsage        As Long
> >>>  QuotaPeakNonPagedPoolUsage As Long
> >>>  QuotaNonPagedPoolUsage     As Long
> >>>  PagefileUsage              As Long
> >>>  PeakPagefileUsage          As Long
> >>> End Type
> >>>
> >>> Private Const PROCESS_QUERY_INFORMATION = 1024 Private Const 
> >>> PROCESS_VM_READ = 16
> >>>
> >>> Private Declare Function GetCurrentProcessId Lib "kernel32" () As 
> >>> Long Private Declare Function EnumProcessModules Lib "PSAPI.DLL" 
> >>> (ByVal
> >> hProcess
> >>> As Long, lphModule As Long, ByVal cb As Long, lpcbNeeded As Long) 
> >>> As
> Long
> >>> Private Declare Function OpenProcess Lib "kernel32.dll" (ByVal 
> >>> dwDesiredAccessas As Long, ByVal bInheritHandle As Long, ByVal 
> >>> dwProcId
> >> As
> >>> Long) As Long
> >>> Private Declare Function GetProcessMemoryInfo Lib "PSAPI.DLL" 
> >>> (ByVal hProcess As Long, ppsmemCounters As 
> >>> PROCESS_MEMORY_COUNTERS, ByVal cb
> As
> >>> Long) As Long
> >>> Private Declare Function CloseHandle Lib "kernel32.dll" (ByVal 
> >>> Handle
> As
> >>> Long) As Long
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Public Function Mem() As Long
> >>>
> >>> Dim lngCBSize2           As Long
> >>> Dim lngModules(1 To 200) As Long
> >>> Dim lngReturn            As Long
> >>> Dim lngHwndProcess       As Long
> >>> Dim pmc                  As PROCESS_MEMORY_COUNTERS
> >>> Dim lRet                 As Long
> >>> Dim MemDelta             As Long
> >>> Static MemUsed           As Long
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 'Get a handle to the Process and Open lngHwndProcess = 
> >>> OpenProcess(PROCESS_QUERY_INFORMATION Or PROCESS_VM_READ, 0, 
> >>> GetCurrentProcessId)
> >>>
> >>> If lngHwndProcess <> 0 Then
> >>>
> >>>     'Get an array of the module handles for the specified process
> >>>     lngReturn = EnumProcessModules(lngHwndProcess, lngModules(1), 
> >>> 200,
> >>> lngCBSize2)
> >>>
> >>>     'If the Module Array is retrieved, Get the ModuleFileName
> >>>       If lngReturn <> 0 Then
> >>>           'Get the Site of the Memory Structure
> >>>           pmc.cb = LenB(pmc)
> >>>           lRet = GetProcessMemoryInfo(lngHwndProcess, pmc, pmc.cb)
> >>>
> >>>           Mem = pmc.WorkingSetSize
> >>>       End If
> >>>
> >>> End If
> >>>
> >>> 'Close the handle to this process
> >>> lngReturn = CloseHandle(lngHwndProcess)
> >>>
> >>> End Function
> >>> --
> >>> AccessD mailing list
> >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
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> >>
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> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 20:52:58 2017
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 21:52:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
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I'll check it out Dan. Thanks.

>From my non-flammable Note 3,
Bill Benson

On Jan 23, 2017 9:11 PM, "Dan Waters" <df.waters at outlook.com> wrote:

> Hi Bill,
>
> I think what might be happening is that as your code loops through, there
> is a variable that represent the report in some way.  That variable is not
> being set to nothing before each new report is created, and that's where
> your memory is being consumed.
>
> Try something like this:
>
> Dim pdf
>
> For each X in recordset
>
> 'Create report
> Pdf = 'code'
>
> 'Export report
> Pdf.Export
>
> Set pdf = nothing
>
> Next X
>
> So, after you are finished processing the pdf, set it's variable to
> nothing.  That would hopefully prevent memory consumption from accumulating.
>
> Good Luck,
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Bill Benson
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 19:44
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] 64-but ONLY front end ?
>
> Well I spent a week on the issue and posed on this back in 2015 and I
> didn't get any help either. Maybe if I had the group here "peer review" my
> code someone would point put where I failed to take note of something.
> But thing is I had a simple recordset. I was connected to SharePoint lists.
>
> I would loop through each record, export a report (as pdf it so happens)
> and by about the 30th item I was getting out of memory. I wasn't creating
> any objects except the initial recordset.
>
> So I concluded access sucks at memory management.
>
> I just moved on.
>
> Sorry if this is not much help and not a rigorous test.
>
> From my non-flammable Note 3,
> Bill Benson
>
> On Jan 23, 2017 8:36 PM, "Ryan Wehler" <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I wonder if it's fixed in Access 2016. I could give my users that
> > runtime....
> >
> > I don't know that I've seen anyone else mention Access 2013 memory
> > inefficiencies aside from you and me.
> >
> > Really frustrating.
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > > On Jan 23, 2017, at 7:27 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Closing them does not affect the memory hoarding. If it did I would
> > > have solved the problem that way, but it just doesnt work, Ac2013
> > > has memory management problems.
> > >
> > > From my non-flammable Note 3,
> > > Bill Benson
> > >
> > >> On Jan 23, 2017 8:07 PM, "Ryan Wehler" <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Yes many record sets are used in various ways. I always close and
> > >> set
> > them
> > >> to nothing as needed. I'll check out your code in the AM.
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPad
> > >>
> > >>> On Jan 23, 2017, at 6:30 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Are you building recordsets? I found a couple years ago I had to
> > >>> keep
> > >> track
> > >>> of memory as I was creating recordsets, looping through them,
> > performing
> > >>> certain routines, because Ac2013 was not releasing memory. Big
> > >>> time
> > >> memory
> > >>> leaks.
> > >>>
> > >>> I stole this code from somewhere to get how much memory was being
> > >>> used
> > >> and
> > >>> would test this midroutine, sending a msgbox to the user to quit
> > >>> the application if they exceeded 800MB.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Option Compare Database
> > >>> Option Explicit
> > >>>
> > >>> Type PROCESS_MEMORY_COUNTERS
> > >>>  cb                         As Long
> > >>>  PageFaultCount             As Long
> > >>>  PeakWorkingSetSize         As Long
> > >>>  WorkingSetSize             As Long
> > >>>  QuotaPeakPagedPoolUsage    As Long
> > >>>  QuotaPagedPoolUsage        As Long
> > >>>  QuotaPeakNonPagedPoolUsage As Long
> > >>>  QuotaNonPagedPoolUsage     As Long
> > >>>  PagefileUsage              As Long
> > >>>  PeakPagefileUsage          As Long
> > >>> End Type
> > >>>
> > >>> Private Const PROCESS_QUERY_INFORMATION = 1024 Private Const
> > >>> PROCESS_VM_READ = 16
> > >>>
> > >>> Private Declare Function GetCurrentProcessId Lib "kernel32" () As
> > >>> Long Private Declare Function EnumProcessModules Lib "PSAPI.DLL"
> > >>> (ByVal
> > >> hProcess
> > >>> As Long, lphModule As Long, ByVal cb As Long, lpcbNeeded As Long)
> > >>> As
> > Long
> > >>> Private Declare Function OpenProcess Lib "kernel32.dll" (ByVal
> > >>> dwDesiredAccessas As Long, ByVal bInheritHandle As Long, ByVal
> > >>> dwProcId
> > >> As
> > >>> Long) As Long
> > >>> Private Declare Function GetProcessMemoryInfo Lib "PSAPI.DLL"
> > >>> (ByVal hProcess As Long, ppsmemCounters As
> > >>> PROCESS_MEMORY_COUNTERS, ByVal cb
> > As
> > >>> Long) As Long
> > >>> Private Declare Function CloseHandle Lib "kernel32.dll" (ByVal
> > >>> Handle
> > As
> > >>> Long) As Long
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Public Function Mem() As Long
> > >>>
> > >>> Dim lngCBSize2           As Long
> > >>> Dim lngModules(1 To 200) As Long
> > >>> Dim lngReturn            As Long
> > >>> Dim lngHwndProcess       As Long
> > >>> Dim pmc                  As PROCESS_MEMORY_COUNTERS
> > >>> Dim lRet                 As Long
> > >>> Dim MemDelta             As Long
> > >>> Static MemUsed           As Long
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> 'Get a handle to the Process and Open lngHwndProcess =
> > >>> OpenProcess(PROCESS_QUERY_INFORMATION Or PROCESS_VM_READ, 0,
> > >>> GetCurrentProcessId)
> > >>>
> > >>> If lngHwndProcess <> 0 Then
> > >>>
> > >>>     'Get an array of the module handles for the specified process
> > >>>     lngReturn = EnumProcessModules(lngHwndProcess, lngModules(1),
> > >>> 200,
> > >>> lngCBSize2)
> > >>>
> > >>>     'If the Module Array is retrieved, Get the ModuleFileName
> > >>>       If lngReturn <> 0 Then
> > >>>           'Get the Site of the Memory Structure
> > >>>           pmc.cb = LenB(pmc)
> > >>>           lRet = GetProcessMemoryInfo(lngHwndProcess, pmc, pmc.cb)
> > >>>
> > >>>           Mem = pmc.WorkingSetSize
> > >>>       End If
> > >>>
> > >>> End If
> > >>>
> > >>> 'Close the handle to this process
> > >>> lngReturn = CloseHandle(lngHwndProcess)
> > >>>
> > >>> End Function
> > >>> --
> > >>> AccessD mailing list
> > >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >>
> > >> --
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> > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Jan 24 18:11:09 2017
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 19:11:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fwd: Re: Ac2013 running out of resources
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And did they fix it in 2016 or whatever the current version is?  Or is 
this just another "develop in vba at your own risk" message from MSFT?

On 1/23/2017 8:46 PM, Bill Benson wrote:
> Ryan this is FYI
>
> >From my non-flammable Note 3,
> Bill Benson
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>
> Date: Jun 8, 2015 9:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ac2013 running out of resources
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Cc:
>
> Thanks Jurgen - this totally confirms my suspicions: BUG
>
> How much memory can AC-2013 consume ? Try 65 GIGs.
> Yep...I've seen it in Task Manager. Unbelievable.
>
> Another QA debacle by MSFT.
> Attempt development with AC2013 AT YOUR OWN RISK.
>
>
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http:// <http://www.databaseadvisors.com>www.databaseadvisors.com

-- 
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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Tue Jan 24 20:40:29 2017
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 18:40:29 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] vba compile error function or interface marked as
 restricted,
 or the function uses an automation type not supported in Visual Basic
Message-ID: <002201d276b4$648abb10$2da03130$@cox.net>

 

Folks,

 

I have a com dll created in VB.NET that has been working for a number of
years. The dll takes information from MS Access and creates orders on eBay
using their Soap api. All of a sudden I started getting the error message
"vba compile error function or interface marked as restricted, or the
function uses an automation type not supported in Visual Basic" when I
compile the Access application. The error is on a line where a property of
type decimal in the dll is updated with data of type decimal from an DAO
recordset in the Access code. This part of the code has been stable for
quite a while so I am at a loss as to why all of a sudden this error starts.


 

Any suggestions solutions would be appreciated.

 

Doug


From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Jan 25 00:57:58 2017
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 23:57:58 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] In training
In-Reply-To: <5887ED1D.3040000@Gmail.com>
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I have been away for the last few weeks being trained (and paid) for assisting in installing improvements to a fairly large network. I learned about such applications as Varnish, Proxygen and learned how to configure Cisco switches and routers to do load balancing. Also had an introduction to Hadoop and Docker Containers.

It was great but it consumed all my time...researching in the evenings, testing and installing during the days. The beauty is, I actually got paid. Don't tell anyone, but I would have done it for nothing or may have actually paid for the training. It does help to have in-laws who have connections. ;-)

This all re-enforces why I love the world of computers so much.

I now am in the process of updating the families' websites. We will now be using a git client and a OS git server. (performs a similar task to the old subversion program but much more sophisticated). The client and server are connected via a 256 byte SSH key...everything is encrypted and there is no reason for multi-level passwords as the two key system, public/private keys works much better as it requires no usernames, passwords or manual entry. All the web sites are encaptulated in Containers (like vitual computers but much smaller and faster) and each runs independantly on an IngenX webserver (like Apache or IIS but much faster). The Containers are capable of federating between each other if necessary. For now it is a manual process to take the Git Server content, of each website and build each Container, from each site, (still having issues with compiling a new Wordpress site but should have that figured out) but soon I hope to have an automated script process, to do all the grunt work.

Right now the only way to run Microsoft applications within a Container, is by installing the WINE compatibility layer, but I understand Microsoft hopes to have compatibilty with the Docker Containers, soon. They just have to figure out a method to protect each application from duplication...thousands of time within a few minutes, if desired. ;-)
   
Jim  

PS Went to see "La La Land", today. It was beautifully done and the two lead actors, Ryan Gosling and Emma Stone are true triple threats...absolutely brilliantly directed and performed.


From wrwehler at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 08:08:08 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan W)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 08:08:08 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] In training
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Very cool. Microsoft is doing some very cool things with Linux now.  You
can run Linux shells on top of Windows 10 now.  They're also working on SQL
Server for Linux that's got what is more or less a Windows emulation layer
in it so that the core code can stay the same and they just emulate what
they need to make it run on Linux.   (Probably a lot like WINE, but more
sophisticated).

Docker is another really neat thing to tinker with.  But I've personally
not seen a benefit for a bazillion little microservices yet and I think
Docker is more or less a buzz word right now that gets people riled up.

Did you get a chance to tinker with any of the "cloud boot" type OSs like
CoreOS?  Those are usually used in conjunction with docker.



On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 12:57 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> I have been away for the last few weeks being trained (and paid) for
> assisting in installing improvements to a fairly large network. I learned
> about such applications as Varnish, Proxygen and learned how to configure
> Cisco switches and routers to do load balancing. Also had an introduction
> to Hadoop and Docker Containers.
>
> It was great but it consumed all my time...researching in the evenings,
> testing and installing during the days. The beauty is, I actually got paid.
> Don't tell anyone, but I would have done it for nothing or may have
> actually paid for the training. It does help to have in-laws who have
> connections. ;-)
>
> This all re-enforces why I love the world of computers so much.
>
> I now am in the process of updating the families' websites. We will now be
> using a git client and a OS git server. (performs a similar task to the old
> subversion program but much more sophisticated). The client and server are
> connected via a 256 byte SSH key...everything is encrypted and there is no
> reason for multi-level passwords as the two key system, public/private keys
> works much better as it requires no usernames, passwords or manual entry.
> All the web sites are encaptulated in Containers (like vitual computers but
> much smaller and faster) and each runs independantly on an IngenX webserver
> (like Apache or IIS but much faster). The Containers are capable of
> federating between each other if necessary. For now it is a manual process
> to take the Git Server content, of each website and build each Container,
> from each site, (still having issues with compiling a new Wordpress site
> but should have that figured out) but soon I hope to have an automated
> script process, to do all!
>   the grunt work.
>
> Right now the only way to run Microsoft applications within a Container,
> is by installing the WINE compatibility layer, but I understand Microsoft
> hopes to have compatibilty with the Docker Containers, soon. They just have
> to figure out a method to protect each application from
> duplication...thousands of time within a few minutes, if desired. ;-)
>
> Jim
>
> PS Went to see "La La Land", today. It was beautifully done and the two
> lead actors, Ryan Gosling and Emma Stone are true triple
> threats...absolutely brilliantly directed and performed.
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From wrwehler at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 12:16:33 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan W)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 12:16:33 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Fwd: Re: Ac2013 running out of resources
In-Reply-To: <5887ED1D.3040000@Gmail.com>
References: <CAJLzs_0RVRhpun3wM+ChcBHj5p5fOSizNqwDAW1d3U9xoa6PKA@mail.gmail.com>
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	<5570FEBC.31271.4134939E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
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Message-ID: <CAFXiSd9kU4uu5=YrM99dZ1Fh-kG5yGsD7+Csbr8yGQQjFbQ2ZQ@mail.gmail.com>

For the record I put Access 2016 Runtime on a VM and got "about" the same
experience. Using the VMMap.exe tool it seemed I was able to utilize about
1.6GB of virtual memory for MSAccess before I ran into resource errors.
With 2013 it seems to happen around 1.45-1.5GB.

On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 6:11 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> And did they fix it in 2016 or whatever the current version is?  Or is
> this just another "develop in vba at your own risk" message from MSFT?
>
> On 1/23/2017 8:46 PM, Bill Benson wrote:
>
>> Ryan this is FYI
>>
>> >From my non-flammable Note 3,
>> Bill Benson
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>
>> Date: Jun 8, 2015 9:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ac2013 running out of resources
>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
>> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Cc:
>>
>> Thanks Jurgen - this totally confirms my suspicions: BUG
>>
>> How much memory can AC-2013 consume ? Try 65 GIGs.
>> Yep...I've seen it in Task Manager. Unbelievable.
>>
>> Another QA debacle by MSFT.
>> Attempt development with AC2013 AT YOUR OWN RISK.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http:// <http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>> www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
> --
> John W. Colby
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From bensonforums at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 12:55:02 2017
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 13:55:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fwd: Re: Ac2013 running out of resources
In-Reply-To: <CAFXiSd9kU4uu5=YrM99dZ1Fh-kG5yGsD7+Csbr8yGQQjFbQ2ZQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Ryan, 1.4 is about the correct number but I have found a single reference
can make it spike so I use >800mb as the cutoff point to warn the user to
park and restart the accdb. I have yet to test Dan's suggestion, which I
probably won't get to for awhile. Personally I don't think it will help
because you and I both get these spikes (unreleased memory) and you are not
assigning to report variables. For all I know leaving those not set to
nothing might or might not have an impact but creating rst's  and looping
same is what caused memory to pile up for me.

>From my non-flammable Note 3,
Bill Benson

On Jan 25, 2017 1:18 PM, "Ryan W" <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:

> For the record I put Access 2016 Runtime on a VM and got "about" the same
> experience. Using the VMMap.exe tool it seemed I was able to utilize about
> 1.6GB of virtual memory for MSAccess before I ran into resource errors.
> With 2013 it seems to happen around 1.45-1.5GB.
>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 6:11 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > And did they fix it in 2016 or whatever the current version is?  Or is
> > this just another "develop in vba at your own risk" message from MSFT?
> >
> > On 1/23/2017 8:46 PM, Bill Benson wrote:
> >
> >> Ryan this is FYI
> >>
> >> >From my non-flammable Note 3,
> >> Bill Benson
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From: "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>
> >> Date: Jun 8, 2015 9:43 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ac2013 running out of resources
> >> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
> >> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >> Cc:
> >>
> >> Thanks Jurgen - this totally confirms my suspicions: BUG
> >>
> >> How much memory can AC-2013 consume ? Try 65 GIGs.
> >> Yep...I've seen it in Task Manager. Unbelievable.
> >>
> >> Another QA debacle by MSFT.
> >> Attempt development with AC2013 AT YOUR OWN RISK.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> AccessD mailing list
> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> Website: http:// <http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
> >> www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >
> > --
> > John W. Colby
> >
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From wrwehler at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 13:01:27 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan W)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 13:01:27 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Fwd: Re: Ac2013 running out of resources
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800MB would crush me. By the time we have the switchboard open we're
already using 720MB.

Access alone with no MDB/ACCDB loaded is already eating 516MB.




On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Ryan, 1.4 is about the correct number but I have found a single reference
> can make it spike so I use >800mb as the cutoff point to warn the user to
> park and restart the accdb. I have yet to test Dan's suggestion, which I
> probably won't get to for awhile. Personally I don't think it will help
> because you and I both get these spikes (unreleased memory) and you are not
> assigning to report variables. For all I know leaving those not set to
> nothing might or might not have an impact but creating rst's  and looping
> same is what caused memory to pile up for me.
>
> From my non-flammable Note 3,
> Bill Benson
>
> On Jan 25, 2017 1:18 PM, "Ryan W" <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > For the record I put Access 2016 Runtime on a VM and got "about" the same
> > experience. Using the VMMap.exe tool it seemed I was able to utilize
> about
> > 1.6GB of virtual memory for MSAccess before I ran into resource errors.
> > With 2013 it seems to happen around 1.45-1.5GB.
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 6:11 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > And did they fix it in 2016 or whatever the current version is?  Or is
> > > this just another "develop in vba at your own risk" message from MSFT?
> > >
> > > On 1/23/2017 8:46 PM, Bill Benson wrote:
> > >
> > >> Ryan this is FYI
> > >>
> > >> >From my non-flammable Note 3,
> > >> Bill Benson
> > >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > >> From: "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>
> > >> Date: Jun 8, 2015 9:43 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ac2013 running out of resources
> > >> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
> > >> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >> Cc:
> > >>
> > >> Thanks Jurgen - this totally confirms my suspicions: BUG
> > >>
> > >> How much memory can AC-2013 consume ? Try 65 GIGs.
> > >> Yep...I've seen it in Task Manager. Unbelievable.
> > >>
> > >> Another QA debacle by MSFT.
> > >> Attempt development with AC2013 AT YOUR OWN RISK.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> AccessD mailing list
> > >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > >> Website: http:// <http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
> > >> www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >>
> > >
> > > --
> > > John W. Colby
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Jan 25 14:27:48 2017
From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 20:27:48 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Fwd: Re: Ac2013 running out of resources
In-Reply-To: <CAFXiSd9kU4uu5=YrM99dZ1Fh-kG5yGsD7+Csbr8yGQQjFbQ2ZQ@mail.gmail.com>
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As a slight aside from the detailed and discussed problem 

I believe there are options specifiable at windows startup to set windows to
allow 32 bit applications to use 3Gb of memory rather than just 2GB,,
Additionally, for 32 bit OS the amount of real memory available includes the
memory allocated to the video system
So having a video board with 1GB of onboard memory may well reduce the memory
allocation available to many of the applications by that 1GB
Or even more memory than is on the video board if the board adds main memory to
the allocation it acquires (reserves) from the OS's managed space.

JimB



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ryan W
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 6:17 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fwd: Re: Ac2013 running out of resources

For the record I put Access 2016 Runtime on a VM and got "about" the same
experience. Using the VMMap.exe tool it seemed I was able to utilize about
1.6GB of virtual memory for MSAccess before I ran into resource errors.
With 2013 it seems to happen around 1.45-1.5GB.

On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 6:11 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> And did they fix it in 2016 or whatever the current version is?  Or is
> this just another "develop in vba at your own risk" message from MSFT?
>
> On 1/23/2017 8:46 PM, Bill Benson wrote:
>
>> Ryan this is FYI
>>
>> >From my non-flammable Note 3,
>> Bill Benson
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>
>> Date: Jun 8, 2015 9:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ac2013 running out of resources
>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
>> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Cc:
>>
>> Thanks Jurgen - this totally confirms my suspicions: BUG
>>
>> How much memory can AC-2013 consume ? Try 65 GIGs.
>> Yep...I've seen it in Task Manager. Unbelievable.
>>
>> Another QA debacle by MSFT.
>> Attempt development with AC2013 AT YOUR OWN RISK.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http:// <http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>> www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
> --
> John W. Colby
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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From wrwehler at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 14:37:17 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan W)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 14:37:17 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Fwd: Re: Ac2013 running out of resources
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AFAIK the /3GB switch was for the 32 bit version of Windows only for
whatever reason.

The problem becomes using a 32 bit app on a 64 bit OS.  You're limited to
2GB of Virtual Memory (Page File).  The solutions are: slim your app down
where you can or move to 64-bit Access.  The latter isn't recommended by
seemingly anyone.  I had considered it but then I'd have to compile both 64
bit accde and 32 bit accde since I do have some machines running 32 bit
OS's still.



On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 2:27 PM, James Button <jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk>
wrote:

> As a slight aside from the detailed and discussed problem
>
> I believe there are options specifiable at windows startup to set windows
> to
> allow 32 bit applications to use 3Gb of memory rather than just 2GB,,
> Additionally, for 32 bit OS the amount of real memory available includes
> the
> memory allocated to the video system
> So having a video board with 1GB of onboard memory may well reduce the
> memory
> allocation available to many of the applications by that 1GB
> Or even more memory than is on the video board if the board adds main
> memory to
> the allocation it acquires (reserves) from the OS's managed space.
>
> JimB
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Ryan W
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 6:17 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fwd: Re: Ac2013 running out of resources
>
> For the record I put Access 2016 Runtime on a VM and got "about" the same
> experience. Using the VMMap.exe tool it seemed I was able to utilize about
> 1.6GB of virtual memory for MSAccess before I ran into resource errors.
> With 2013 it seems to happen around 1.45-1.5GB.
>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 6:11 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > And did they fix it in 2016 or whatever the current version is?  Or is
> > this just another "develop in vba at your own risk" message from MSFT?
> >
> > On 1/23/2017 8:46 PM, Bill Benson wrote:
> >
> >> Ryan this is FYI
> >>
> >> >From my non-flammable Note 3,
> >> Bill Benson
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From: "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>
> >> Date: Jun 8, 2015 9:43 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ac2013 running out of resources
> >> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
> >> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >> Cc:
> >>
> >> Thanks Jurgen - this totally confirms my suspicions: BUG
> >>
> >> How much memory can AC-2013 consume ? Try 65 GIGs.
> >> Yep...I've seen it in Task Manager. Unbelievable.
> >>
> >> Another QA debacle by MSFT.
> >> Attempt development with AC2013 AT YOUR OWN RISK.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
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> >> www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >
> > --
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> >
> >
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 15:19:48 2017
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 16:19:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fwd: Re: Ac2013 running out of resources
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The you will just have to pay attention to at what point in the process you
spike above 1.2 or 1.4 gb and go from there.

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Ryan W <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:

> 800MB would crush me. By the time we have the switchboard open we're
> already using 720MB.
>
> Access alone with no MDB/ACCDB loaded is already eating 516MB.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Ryan, 1.4 is about the correct number but I have found a single reference
> > can make it spike so I use >800mb as the cutoff point to warn the user to
> > park and restart the accdb. I have yet to test Dan's suggestion, which I
> > probably won't get to for awhile. Personally I don't think it will help
> > because you and I both get these spikes (unreleased memory) and you are
> not
> > assigning to report variables. For all I know leaving those not set to
> > nothing might or might not have an impact but creating rst's  and looping
> > same is what caused memory to pile up for me.
> >
> > From my non-flammable Note 3,
> > Bill Benson
> >
> > On Jan 25, 2017 1:18 PM, "Ryan W" <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > For the record I put Access 2016 Runtime on a VM and got "about" the
> same
> > > experience. Using the VMMap.exe tool it seemed I was able to utilize
> > about
> > > 1.6GB of virtual memory for MSAccess before I ran into resource errors.
> > > With 2013 it seems to happen around 1.45-1.5GB.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 6:11 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > And did they fix it in 2016 or whatever the current version is?  Or
> is
> > > > this just another "develop in vba at your own risk" message from
> MSFT?
> > > >
> > > > On 1/23/2017 8:46 PM, Bill Benson wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Ryan this is FYI
> > > >>
> > > >> >From my non-flammable Note 3,
> > > >> Bill Benson
> > > >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > >> From: "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>
> > > >> Date: Jun 8, 2015 9:43 PM
> > > >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ac2013 running out of resources
> > > >> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
> > > >> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > >> Cc:
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks Jurgen - this totally confirms my suspicions: BUG
> > > >>
> > > >> How much memory can AC-2013 consume ? Try 65 GIGs.
> > > >> Yep...I've seen it in Task Manager. Unbelievable.
> > > >>
> > > >> Another QA debacle by MSFT.
> > > >> Attempt development with AC2013 AT YOUR OWN RISK.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
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> > > >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> > > >> Website: http:// <http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
> > > >> www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > --
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> > > >
> > > >
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From wrwehler at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 15:23:07 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan W)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 15:23:07 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Fwd: Re: Ac2013 running out of resources
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It's just a matter of my users trying to keep too many things open at
once.  Really the easiest answer would be to move everyone to 64 bit, then
you have 8TB of addressable memory and it'll never be a problem again.  But
... it's not "best practices" according to MSFT yet....



On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com> wrote:

> The you will just have to pay attention to at what point in the process you
> spike above 1.2 or 1.4 gb and go from there.
>
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Ryan W <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > 800MB would crush me. By the time we have the switchboard open we're
> > already using 720MB.
> >
> > Access alone with no MDB/ACCDB loaded is already eating 516MB.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Ryan, 1.4 is about the correct number but I have found a single
> reference
> > > can make it spike so I use >800mb as the cutoff point to warn the user
> to
> > > park and restart the accdb. I have yet to test Dan's suggestion, which
> I
> > > probably won't get to for awhile. Personally I don't think it will help
> > > because you and I both get these spikes (unreleased memory) and you are
> > not
> > > assigning to report variables. For all I know leaving those not set to
> > > nothing might or might not have an impact but creating rst's  and
> looping
> > > same is what caused memory to pile up for me.
> > >
> > > From my non-flammable Note 3,
> > > Bill Benson
> > >
> > > On Jan 25, 2017 1:18 PM, "Ryan W" <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > For the record I put Access 2016 Runtime on a VM and got "about" the
> > same
> > > > experience. Using the VMMap.exe tool it seemed I was able to utilize
> > > about
> > > > 1.6GB of virtual memory for MSAccess before I ran into resource
> errors.
> > > > With 2013 it seems to happen around 1.45-1.5GB.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 6:11 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > And did they fix it in 2016 or whatever the current version is?  Or
> > is
> > > > > this just another "develop in vba at your own risk" message from
> > MSFT?
> > > > >
> > > > > On 1/23/2017 8:46 PM, Bill Benson wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Ryan this is FYI
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >From my non-flammable Note 3,
> > > > >> Bill Benson
> > > > >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > > >> From: "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>
> > > > >> Date: Jun 8, 2015 9:43 PM
> > > > >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ac2013 running out of resources
> > > > >> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
> > > > >> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > >> Cc:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thanks Jurgen - this totally confirms my suspicions: BUG
> > > > >>
> > > > >> How much memory can AC-2013 consume ? Try 65 GIGs.
> > > > >> Yep...I've seen it in Task Manager. Unbelievable.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Another QA debacle by MSFT.
> > > > >> Attempt development with AC2013 AT YOUR OWN RISK.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --
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> > > > >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > >> Website: http:// <http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > >> www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > >>
> > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > >
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 19:19:23 2017
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 20:19:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fwd: Re: Ac2013 running out of resources
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And using x64 windows causes that video memory to automatically be moved 
up out of the lower 4 gigs.

On 1/25/2017 3:27 PM, James Button wrote:
> As a slight aside from the detailed and discussed problem
>
> I believe there are options specifiable at windows startup to set windows to
> allow 32 bit applications to use 3Gb of memory rather than just 2GB,,
> Additionally, for 32 bit OS the amount of real memory available includes the
> memory allocated to the video system
> So having a video board with 1GB of onboard memory may well reduce the memory
> allocation available to many of the applications by that 1GB
> Or even more memory than is on the video board if the board adds main memory to
> the allocation it acquires (reserves) from the OS's managed space.
>
> JimB
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ryan W
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 6:17 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fwd: Re: Ac2013 running out of resources
>
> For the record I put Access 2016 Runtime on a VM and got "about" the same
> experience. Using the VMMap.exe tool it seemed I was able to utilize about
> 1.6GB of virtual memory for MSAccess before I ran into resource errors.
> With 2013 it seems to happen around 1.45-1.5GB.
>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 6:11 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> And did they fix it in 2016 or whatever the current version is?  Or is
>> this just another "develop in vba at your own risk" message from MSFT?
>>
>> On 1/23/2017 8:46 PM, Bill Benson wrote:
>>
>>> Ryan this is FYI
>>>
>>> >From my non-flammable Note 3,
>>> Bill Benson
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>
>>> Date: Jun 8, 2015 9:43 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ac2013 running out of resources
>>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
>>> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> Cc:
>>>
>>> Thanks Jurgen - this totally confirms my suspicions: BUG
>>>
>>> How much memory can AC-2013 consume ? Try 65 GIGs.
>>> Yep...I've seen it in Task Manager. Unbelievable.
>>>
>>> Another QA debacle by MSFT.
>>> Attempt development with AC2013 AT YOUR OWN RISK.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http:// <http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>> www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>>
>>
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>>

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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 19:33:25 2017
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 20:33:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fwd: Re: Ac2013 running out of resources
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Have you tried running these on native windows?  IOW is it possible that 
you are running into a VM resource problem?

On 1/25/2017 1:16 PM, Ryan W wrote:
> For the record I put Access 2016 Runtime on a VM and got "about" the same
> experience. Using the VMMap.exe tool it seemed I was able to utilize about
> 1.6GB of virtual memory for MSAccess before I ran into resource errors.
> With 2013 it seems to happen around 1.45-1.5GB.
>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 6:11 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> And did they fix it in 2016 or whatever the current version is?  Or is
>> this just another "develop in vba at your own risk" message from MSFT?
>>
>> On 1/23/2017 8:46 PM, Bill Benson wrote:
>>
>>> Ryan this is FYI
>>>
>>> >From my non-flammable Note 3,
>>> Bill Benson
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>
>>> Date: Jun 8, 2015 9:43 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ac2013 running out of resources
>>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
>>> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> Cc:
>>>
>>> Thanks Jurgen - this totally confirms my suspicions: BUG
>>>
>>> How much memory can AC-2013 consume ? Try 65 GIGs.
>>> Yep...I've seen it in Task Manager. Unbelievable.
>>>
>>> Another QA debacle by MSFT.
>>> Attempt development with AC2013 AT YOUR OWN RISK.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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>>> www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>> --
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>>
>>
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>>

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From wrwehler at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 19:57:16 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan Wehler)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 19:57:16 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Fwd: Re: Ac2013 running out of resources
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Yes my workstation. I am using a VM or two to test different scenarios but ultimately the ones I care about are physical workstations my users use. 



> On Jan 25, 2017, at 7:33 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Have you tried running these on native windows?  IOW is it possible that you are running into a VM resource problem?
> 
>> On 1/25/2017 1:16 PM, Ryan W wrote:
>> For the record I put Access 2016 Runtime on a VM and got "about" the same
>> experience. Using the VMMap.exe tool it seemed I was able to utilize about
>> 1.6GB of virtual memory for MSAccess before I ran into resource errors.
>> With 2013 it seems to happen around 1.45-1.5GB.
>> 
>>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 6:11 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> And did they fix it in 2016 or whatever the current version is?  Or is
>>> this just another "develop in vba at your own risk" message from MSFT?
>>> 
>>>> On 1/23/2017 8:46 PM, Bill Benson wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Ryan this is FYI
>>>> 
>>>> >From my non-flammable Note 3,
>>>> Bill Benson
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>
>>>> Date: Jun 8, 2015 9:43 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ac2013 running out of resources
>>>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
>>>> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>> Cc:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks Jurgen - this totally confirms my suspicions: BUG
>>>> 
>>>> How much memory can AC-2013 consume ? Try 65 GIGs.
>>>> Yep...I've seen it in Task Manager. Unbelievable.
>>>> 
>>>> Another QA debacle by MSFT.
>>>> Attempt development with AC2013 AT YOUR OWN RISK.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>> Website: http:// <http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>> www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>> 
>>> --
>>> John W. Colby
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
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> 
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Jan 26 08:27:29 2017
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 09:27:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fwd: Re: Ac2013 running out of resources
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Couple comments:

1. I'm curious what this app is like because it's rare for something to hit
a memory resource limit like you have.

2. I did recently however have a question on EE with more or less the same
problem (resources, but it wasn't memory).   This was a heavy duty
calendaring type app where one form in particular would always kick them
over the limit (hundreds of controls and quite complex) if it was used in
conjunction with a couple other forms.   So similar problem to yours.

 What I suggested to them and what might work for you is splitting the front
end up into multiple DB's running under two or more instances of Access.  In
their case it was easy to split off the one form.  They allowed the user to
start either part first (they split it into two), and would seamlessly fire
up the other part when needed.   The tricky part was that they wanted to
execute code in each DB from the other.

 That was easy for the first executed part because it could grab a reference
to the second, but the second had no way to get a reference back to the
first easily.   Turns out it is possible with some windows API's and I did
up an article on it:

https://www.experts-exchange.com/articles/28861/Obtaining-an-object-variable
-for-a-running-instance-of-Microsoft-Access.html

 Something to consider and it might resolve your dilemma.

Jim.
  

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Ryan W
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 03:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fwd: Re: Ac2013 running out of resources

AFAIK the /3GB switch was for the 32 bit version of Windows only for
whatever reason.

The problem becomes using a 32 bit app on a 64 bit OS.  You're limited to
2GB of Virtual Memory (Page File).  The solutions are: slim your app down
where you can or move to 64-bit Access.  The latter isn't recommended by
seemingly anyone.  I had considered it but then I'd have to compile both 64
bit accde and 32 bit accde since I do have some machines running 32 bit
OS's still.



On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 2:27 PM, James Button <jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk>
wrote:

> As a slight aside from the detailed and discussed problem
>
> I believe there are options specifiable at windows startup to set windows
> to
> allow 32 bit applications to use 3Gb of memory rather than just 2GB,,
> Additionally, for 32 bit OS the amount of real memory available includes
> the
> memory allocated to the video system
> So having a video board with 1GB of onboard memory may well reduce the
> memory
> allocation available to many of the applications by that 1GB
> Or even more memory than is on the video board if the board adds main
> memory to
> the allocation it acquires (reserves) from the OS's managed space.
>
> JimB
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Ryan W
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 6:17 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fwd: Re: Ac2013 running out of resources
>
> For the record I put Access 2016 Runtime on a VM and got "about" the same
> experience. Using the VMMap.exe tool it seemed I was able to utilize about
> 1.6GB of virtual memory for MSAccess before I ran into resource errors.
> With 2013 it seems to happen around 1.45-1.5GB.
>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 6:11 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > And did they fix it in 2016 or whatever the current version is?  Or is
> > this just another "develop in vba at your own risk" message from MSFT?
> >
> > On 1/23/2017 8:46 PM, Bill Benson wrote:
> >
> >> Ryan this is FYI
> >>
> >> >From my non-flammable Note 3,
> >> Bill Benson
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From: "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>
> >> Date: Jun 8, 2015 9:43 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ac2013 running out of resources
> >> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
> >> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >> Cc:
> >>
> >> Thanks Jurgen - this totally confirms my suspicions: BUG
> >>
> >> How much memory can AC-2013 consume ? Try 65 GIGs.
> >> Yep...I've seen it in Task Manager. Unbelievable.
> >>
> >> Another QA debacle by MSFT.
> >> Attempt development with AC2013 AT YOUR OWN RISK.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
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> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> Website: http:// <http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
> >> www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >
> > --
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> >
> >
> > --
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> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> >
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From wrwehler at gmail.com  Thu Jan 26 09:41:28 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan Wehler)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 09:41:28 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Fwd: Re: Ac2013 running out of resources
In-Reply-To: <FB92F2443D18409382DDDA6D068567AC@XPS>
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There's nothing really special about it. Forms with subforms and recordsets performing calculations and such

There's just a lot there. The app is used by everyone in our company in some manner. 

We never experienced these problems with Access 2003 or 97. Lot less memory usage from access itself. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 26, 2017, at 8:27 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> Couple comments:
> 
> 1. I'm curious what this app is like because it's rare for something to hit
> a memory resource limit like you have.
> 
> 2. I did recently however have a question on EE with more or less the same
> problem (resources, but it wasn't memory).   This was a heavy duty
> calendaring type app where one form in particular would always kick them
> over the limit (hundreds of controls and quite complex) if it was used in
> conjunction with a couple other forms.   So similar problem to yours.
> 
> What I suggested to them and what might work for you is splitting the front
> end up into multiple DB's running under two or more instances of Access.  In
> their case it was easy to split off the one form.  They allowed the user to
> start either part first (they split it into two), and would seamlessly fire
> up the other part when needed.   The tricky part was that they wanted to
> execute code in each DB from the other.
> 
> That was easy for the first executed part because it could grab a reference
> to the second, but the second had no way to get a reference back to the
> first easily.   Turns out it is possible with some windows API's and I did
> up an article on it:
> 
> https://www.experts-exchange.com/articles/28861/Obtaining-an-object-variable
> -for-a-running-instance-of-Microsoft-Access.html
> 
> Something to consider and it might resolve your dilemma.
> 
> Jim.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Ryan W
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 03:37 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fwd: Re: Ac2013 running out of resources
> 
> AFAIK the /3GB switch was for the 32 bit version of Windows only for
> whatever reason.
> 
> The problem becomes using a 32 bit app on a 64 bit OS.  You're limited to
> 2GB of Virtual Memory (Page File).  The solutions are: slim your app down
> where you can or move to 64-bit Access.  The latter isn't recommended by
> seemingly anyone.  I had considered it but then I'd have to compile both 64
> bit accde and 32 bit accde since I do have some machines running 32 bit
> OS's still.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 2:27 PM, James Button <jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk>
> wrote:
> 
>> As a slight aside from the detailed and discussed problem
>> 
>> I believe there are options specifiable at windows startup to set windows
>> to
>> allow 32 bit applications to use 3Gb of memory rather than just 2GB,,
>> Additionally, for 32 bit OS the amount of real memory available includes
>> the
>> memory allocated to the video system
>> So having a video board with 1GB of onboard memory may well reduce the
>> memory
>> allocation available to many of the applications by that 1GB
>> Or even more memory than is on the video board if the board adds main
>> memory to
>> the allocation it acquires (reserves) from the OS's managed space.
>> 
>> JimB
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> Ryan W
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 6:17 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fwd: Re: Ac2013 running out of resources
>> 
>> For the record I put Access 2016 Runtime on a VM and got "about" the same
>> experience. Using the VMMap.exe tool it seemed I was able to utilize about
>> 1.6GB of virtual memory for MSAccess before I ran into resource errors.
>> With 2013 it seems to happen around 1.45-1.5GB.
>> 
>>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 6:11 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> And did they fix it in 2016 or whatever the current version is?  Or is
>>> this just another "develop in vba at your own risk" message from MSFT?
>>> 
>>>> On 1/23/2017 8:46 PM, Bill Benson wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Ryan this is FYI
>>>> 
>>>>> From my non-flammable Note 3,
>>>> Bill Benson
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>
>>>> Date: Jun 8, 2015 9:43 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ac2013 running out of resources
>>>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
>>>> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>> Cc:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks Jurgen - this totally confirms my suspicions: BUG
>>>> 
>>>> How much memory can AC-2013 consume ? Try 65 GIGs.
>>>> Yep...I've seen it in Task Manager. Unbelievable.
>>>> 
>>>> Another QA debacle by MSFT.
>>>> Attempt development with AC2013 AT YOUR OWN RISK.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
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>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>> Website: http:// <http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>> www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
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>>> 
>>> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Jan 26 19:37:43 2017
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 18:37:43 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] In training
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Hi Ryan:

I attempted to install a Bash shell on my Windows10 box but missed the small print...only on 64 bit computers. (I have a number of computers and not being in business anymore, it is a slow and expensive task to move all the boxes to 64bit.) Maybe in a couple of months. ;-)

Microsoft now has its Wine like application, not an emulator but a compatibility layer called WSL (Windows Subsystem for Linux). It is so compatible that OS distros like Ubuntu, Fedora and Suse can be installed on Windows. Have not tried it but it sounds so neat.
 
I think that CoreOS is similar to Microsoft's Hyper-V. Both are headless and either the user has to get up to speed at the command prompt or a GUI has to be pasted on...I like a GUI. At the core of both those products is KVM (Kernel-based Virtual Machine), built into the Linux kernel. With these two products, a company can host and create dozens of Containers at will or just send them on their way. 

Aside: MS copied KVM from Suse Linux about five years ago. I understand that CoreOS is trying to re-brand itself to ContainerOS. Did you know that Microsoft's .Net Core which runs as an editor on all platforms, is basically a Container(?), compiled via the application Electron.Atom: http://electron.atom.io/ ...and the internal development environment is HTML/JavaScript/Chromium/NodeJS...don't ask. ;-)

The beauty of Containers is that, depending on the OS, a person can roll out an application with no concern as to what libraries or DLLs are installed, on the hosting desktop/server. The product to totally self-contained....it will run just like a stand-alone application. Of course Containers are less like an application and more like a whole OS which can have hundreds of features but unlike our virtual drives, which tend to be total pigs, they are very lean and very fast...and can be duplicated, via scripts, within seconds, in the hundreds. Also a remote Container recipient can not hack in and modify the Container, if it is locked.

It would be wonderful, if when we can assemble an Access or VB/.Net/C# application or a mash up of a number of technologies, into a single build, it could then be just be Containerized and then broadcast through out an entire company. Once the hosting desktops are configured, no installation type process necessary, no concerns of dated or missing components, complete stabilization and it would be easy to synchronize all users with, say, daily Container rebuilds. In the event of a system crash, the base OS could first be installed on the desktop and then all the Containers could be pushed across the network or across the internet.

There was a lot of discussions about Cloud deployment and there is so many new applications popping up, virtually daily. "Cloud boot" looks like a very interesting technology-service....http://cloudboot.org/ is this what you are talking about? 

Every business has to carefully figure out how much they are going spend, how much tech is going to be run locally, how much will be run or be stored remotely, how many services will need to be purchased, what level of security is needed, what infra-structure is needed/cost, how that infrastructure will be maintained (will a tech be kept in-house, on contract or can the receptionist be brought up to speed), should some new tech be trusted or is the old tech good enough and after that applications can be remotely accessed, built locally for the desktop or maybe a web-based solution is the answer. Gone are the days, when someone wanted a system upgrade, the question was which Microsoft application will be needed...today MS is just one more ingredient in the stew.

Tech is moving so fast that it leaves me with more questions than answers...but it seems regardless of the need, there is always something out there that is just right.

Jim 
    
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan W" <wrwehler at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 6:08:08 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] In training

Very cool. Microsoft is doing some very cool things with Linux now.  You
can run Linux shells on top of Windows 10 now.  They're also working on SQL
Server for Linux that's got what is more or less a Windows emulation layer
in it so that the core code can stay the same and they just emulate what
they need to make it run on Linux.   (Probably a lot like WINE, but more
sophisticated).

Docker is another really neat thing to tinker with.  But I've personally
not seen a benefit for a bazillion little microservices yet and I think
Docker is more or less a buzz word right now that gets people riled up.

Did you get a chance to tinker with any of the "cloud boot" type OSs like
CoreOS?  Those are usually used in conjunction with docker.

From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Jan 26 22:39:10 2017
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 21:39:10 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] A Github client
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWEbWObUdQKgXg=wBuS5EMfwPtJm_v8xaR_qZNTk3hOtSA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EB6C18AE-D1EF-467E-AEB0-E6ACB7E8D12E@gmail.com>
	<CAFXiSd82=d=E3CkLLKbj6P46PsTACZrgLZCB05UXU34TOHT1mg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFXiSd_GAXTaiDwAzJGCF4QxVCGhGptJ7ifs0j39AGx7QNmVxA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5870258C.6090904@Gmail.com>
	<CB8E959A-E872-4D5F-BD76-45B3A5071F25@gmail.com>
	<58702E66.3010002@Gmail.com>
	<0F92B4CC-6E52-455D-95A4-ACA7F330647C@gmail.com>
	<CAAZtbWEbWObUdQKgXg=wBuS5EMfwPtJm_v8xaR_qZNTk3hOtSA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <282453032.40042140.1485491950477.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

I have plenty of knowledge in Github clients and command line entries for Github, on Linux but embarrassing little of the same in Windows. Is there anyone out there that has experience with Github and the associated SSH apps on a Windows 10 box?

MTIA
Jim

From wrwehler at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 07:16:45 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan Wehler)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 07:16:45 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A Github client
In-Reply-To: <282453032.40042140.1485491950477.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <EB6C18AE-D1EF-467E-AEB0-E6ACB7E8D12E@gmail.com>
	<CAFXiSd82=d=E3CkLLKbj6P46PsTACZrgLZCB05UXU34TOHT1mg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFXiSd_GAXTaiDwAzJGCF4QxVCGhGptJ7ifs0j39AGx7QNmVxA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5870258C.6090904@Gmail.com>
	<CB8E959A-E872-4D5F-BD76-45B3A5071F25@gmail.com>
	<58702E66.3010002@Gmail.com>
	<0F92B4CC-6E52-455D-95A4-ACA7F330647C@gmail.com>
	<CAAZtbWEbWObUdQKgXg=wBuS5EMfwPtJm_v8xaR_qZNTk3hOtSA@mail.gmail.com>
	<282453032.40042140.1485491950477.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <887BDB7E-C6C3-4439-B4EC-9ACDDD8517F6@gmail.com>

I use tortoisegit to push and pull from the repos. It integrates with windows right click context menus so you just right click the directory you want to pull a repo into or to push your changes from to github or gitlab (or any other). It's pretty slick.  It will also show you which files changed by changing the file icons. Green if they're current. Red if they've changed since last commit. Lots of other stuff. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 26, 2017, at 10:39 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
> I have plenty of knowledge in Github clients and command line entries for Github, on Linux but embarrassing little of the same in Windows. Is there anyone out there that has experience with Github and the associated SSH apps on a Windows 10 box?
> 
> MTIA
> Jim
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From wrwehler at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 14:11:05 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan W)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 14:11:05 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Are MS KB patches cumulative?
Message-ID: <CAFXiSd_hRxvMS659LNTKTFPD8C2DbTn6LDEJ3drnhhe=oD+vMA@mail.gmail.com>

I'm trying to patch up past a error number off by 1 bug in Access 2013
runtime. I figure I'll jump to the latest version I can to avoid any other
bugs that were fixed.

This is the bug I'm trying to get past:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/2889947/hotfix-kb2889947-for-access-2013-october-14,-2014-access-x-none.msp

But the 2013SP1 runtime is several months older than that patch.

Here's what I'd like to jump to:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/3118349/january-3,-2017,-update-for-access-2013-kb3118349

This shows the MSAccess.exe would be up to 15.0.4893.1000 which nearest I
can tell is the latest version.

I wonder though if DLL's and other dependencies skipped by jumping patches
will cause grief?  It let me slap the patch right over the latest RunTime
install without barking. I figure if there was a dependency it needed to
meet first it would have whined?

From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Jan 27 15:03:01 2017
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 16:03:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Are MS KB patches cumulative?
In-Reply-To: <CAFXiSd_hRxvMS659LNTKTFPD8C2DbTn6LDEJ3drnhhe=oD+vMA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFXiSd_hRxvMS659LNTKTFPD8C2DbTn6LDEJ3drnhhe=oD+vMA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <582DA70A051B4B3F82EE2A1C70A0BBAE@XPS>


 Hot Fixes are typically not cumulative and may not bring you up the latest
build.  Their meant to address a specific problem.

 General releases and service packs are.  

  What's done normally is you get to a general release or service pack, then
hot patch in sequence past that.

Jim.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Ryan W
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2017 03:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Are MS KB patches cumulative?

I'm trying to patch up past a error number off by 1 bug in Access 2013
runtime. I figure I'll jump to the latest version I can to avoid any other
bugs that were fixed.

This is the bug I'm trying to get past:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/2889947/hotfix-kb2889947-for-access
-2013-october-14,-2014-access-x-none.msp

But the 2013SP1 runtime is several months older than that patch.

Here's what I'd like to jump to:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/3118349/january-3,-2017,-update-for
-access-2013-kb3118349

This shows the MSAccess.exe would be up to 15.0.4893.1000 which nearest I
can tell is the latest version.

I wonder though if DLL's and other dependencies skipped by jumping patches
will cause grief?  It let me slap the patch right over the latest RunTime
install without barking. I figure if there was a dependency it needed to
meet first it would have whined?
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From wrwehler at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 15:04:18 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan W)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 15:04:18 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Are MS KB patches cumulative?
In-Reply-To: <582DA70A051B4B3F82EE2A1C70A0BBAE@XPS>
References: <CAFXiSd_hRxvMS659LNTKTFPD8C2DbTn6LDEJ3drnhhe=oD+vMA@mail.gmail.com>
	<582DA70A051B4B3F82EE2A1C70A0BBAE@XPS>
Message-ID: <CAFXiSd8uEd2qexae4H13pd8RAWUKjhnGmt+4RoUwc5=ttAH+FA@mail.gmail.com>

That off by 1 is a hot fix, but the other (second link) is just a normal
patch released to WU which you'd hope contains the hotfix by now.  So I
went from Access 2013 SP1 to KB3118349 (15.0.4569.1506 direct to
15.0.4893.1000)
in this case.




On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>  Hot Fixes are typically not cumulative and may not bring you up the latest
> build.  Their meant to address a specific problem.
>
>  General releases and service packs are.
>
>   What's done normally is you get to a general release or service pack,
> then
> hot patch in sequence past that.
>
> Jim.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Ryan W
> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2017 03:11 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Are MS KB patches cumulative?
>
> I'm trying to patch up past a error number off by 1 bug in Access 2013
> runtime. I figure I'll jump to the latest version I can to avoid any other
> bugs that were fixed.
>
> This is the bug I'm trying to get past:
>
> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/2889947/hotfix-
> kb2889947-for-access
> -2013-october-14,-2014-access-x-none.msp
>
> But the 2013SP1 runtime is several months older than that patch.
>
> Here's what I'd like to jump to:
>
> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/3118349/january-3,-
> 2017,-update-for
> -access-2013-kb3118349
>
> This shows the MSAccess.exe would be up to 15.0.4893.1000 which nearest I
> can tell is the latest version.
>
> I wonder though if DLL's and other dependencies skipped by jumping patches
> will cause grief?  It let me slap the patch right over the latest RunTime
> install without barking. I figure if there was a dependency it needed to
> meet first it would have whined?
> --
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Jan 28 14:39:18 2017
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2017 13:39:18 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] A Github client
In-Reply-To: <887BDB7E-C6C3-4439-B4EC-9ACDDD8517F6@gmail.com>
References: <EB6C18AE-D1EF-467E-AEB0-E6ACB7E8D12E@gmail.com>
	<5870258C.6090904@Gmail.com>
	<CB8E959A-E872-4D5F-BD76-45B3A5071F25@gmail.com>
	<58702E66.3010002@Gmail.com>
	<0F92B4CC-6E52-455D-95A4-ACA7F330647C@gmail.com>
	<CAAZtbWEbWObUdQKgXg=wBuS5EMfwPtJm_v8xaR_qZNTk3hOtSA@mail.gmail.com>
	<282453032.40042140.1485491950477.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<887BDB7E-C6C3-4439-B4EC-9ACDDD8517F6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <106486262.43751101.1485635958448.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Hi Ryan:

Thanks, excellent. I will carefully review the product. I wonder if tortoisegit is compatible with any Github servers?

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan Wehler" <wrwehler at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2017 5:16:45 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A Github client

I use tortoisegit to push and pull from the repos. It integrates with windows right click context menus so you just right click the directory you want to pull a repo into or to push your changes from to github or gitlab (or any other). It's pretty slick.  It will also show you which files changed by changing the file icons. Green if they're current. Red if they've changed since last commit. Lots of other stuff. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 26, 2017, at 10:39 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
> I have plenty of knowledge in Github clients and command line entries for Github, on Linux but embarrassing little of the same in Windows. Is there anyone out there that has experience with Github and the associated SSH apps on a Windows 10 box?
> 
> MTIA
> Jim
> -- 
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Mon Jan 30 02:41:11 2017
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 11:41:11 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?A_Github_client?=
In-Reply-To: <282453032.40042140.1485491950477.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <EB6C18AE-D1EF-467E-AEB0-E6ACB7E8D12E@gmail.com>
	<CAAZtbWEbWObUdQKgXg=wBuS5EMfwPtJm_v8xaR_qZNTk3hOtSA@mail.gmail.com>
	<282453032.40042140.1485491950477.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <1485765671.982544104@f433.i.mail.ru>

Hi Jim --

I'm using GitExt ( https://gitextensions.github.io/ ?)

Features:
a) Windows Explorer integration for Git,?
b) Visual Studio (2008/2010/2012/2013) plugin for Git,?
c) Feature rich user interface for Git,?
d) Single installer installs MSysGit, GitExtensions and the mergetool KDiff3,?
e) 32bit and 64bit support.

Thank you.

-- Shamil
>Friday, January 27, 2017 7:39 AM +03:00 from Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>
>I have plenty of knowledge in Github clients and command line entries for Github, on Linux but embarrassing little of the same in Windows. Is there anyone out there that has experience with Github and the associated SSH apps on a Windows 10 box?
>
>MTIA
>Jim
>-- 
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>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>Website:  http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From cjlabs at att.net  Mon Jan 30 11:39:46 2017
From: cjlabs at att.net (cjlabs)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 11:39:46 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Word mail merge code - Albert Kallal
Message-ID: <018c01d27b1f$da18b2a0$8e4a17e0$@att.net>

I had been using Albert Kallal?s mail merge code for years (since 2003 or so), but it does not work in Office2010.   The last version I know that it was working was 2003.

 

I get an error from Word  ?The document ?merge.888? caused a serious error the last time it was opened.  You may continue opening it or perform data recovery by clicking ?Recover Data?. Clicking ?Recover Data? will extract text of your document but all formatting and pictures will be lost.?

 

Merge.888 is the data file for the merge.

 

 

If I choose Open, Word crashes.   I get an Automation error in procedure MergeWord of his WordCode sub.

 

 

If I chooseRecover Data, Word shows empty records (despite the data being in the file).

 

 

If I step through the procedure, it crashes on   WordDoc.MailMerge.OpenDataSource _

        Name:=strMergeDataFile, _

        ConfirmConversions:=False, _

        ReadOnly:=False, LinkToSource:=True, AddToRecentFiles:=False, _

        PasswordDocument:="", PasswordTemplate:="", WritePasswordDocument:="", _

        WritePasswordTemplate:="", Revert:=False, Format:=0, _

        Connection:="", SQLStatement:="", SQLStatement1:=""

 

Specifically when it calls the function  strMergeDataFile  which returns the path to the data file (in the Temp folder).

 

 

Is anyone using Kallal?s code and made the changes to work in more recent versions of Office?

 

I realize there are many ways to create a merge document in Word, but I would prefer to stick with what I am using if it will work.

 

I emailed Albert Kallal but received no response.

 

 

 

Thanks

Carolyn Johnson

St Louis, MO


From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Mon Jan 30 12:06:34 2017
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 13:06:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Word mail merge code - Albert Kallal
In-Reply-To: <018c01d27b1f$da18b2a0$8e4a17e0$@att.net>
References: <018c01d27b1f$da18b2a0$8e4a17e0$@att.net>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAud3MwZkPqRjeDa4CG2btsFdTb8YfeJJ4ce2sTG4Gs9aw@mail.gmail.com>

Carolyn,

Albert is active on UtterAccess.

I see some links to his merge at
http://www.utteraccess.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2037642&view=findpost&p=2602716

http://www.utteraccess.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2035844&view=findpost&p=2589379

Good luck.

On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 12:39 PM, cjlabs <cjlabs at att.net> wrote:

> I had been using Albert Kallal?s mail merge code for years (since 2003 or
> so), but it does not work in Office2010.   The last version I know that it
> was working was 2003.
>
>
>
> I get an error from Word  ?The document ?merge.888? caused a serious error
> the last time it was opened.  You may continue opening it or perform data
> recovery by clicking ?Recover Data?. Clicking ?Recover Data? will extract
> text of your document but all formatting and pictures will be lost.?
>
>
>
> Merge.888 is the data file for the merge.
>
>
>
>
>
> If I choose Open, Word crashes.   I get an Automation error in procedure
> MergeWord of his WordCode sub.
>
>
>
>
>
> If I chooseRecover Data, Word shows empty records (despite the data being
> in the file).
>
>
>
>
>
> If I step through the procedure, it crashes on   WordDoc.MailMerge.OpenDataSource
> _
>
>         Name:=strMergeDataFile, _
>
>         ConfirmConversions:=False, _
>
>         ReadOnly:=False, LinkToSource:=True, AddToRecentFiles:=False, _
>
>         PasswordDocument:="", PasswordTemplate:="",
> WritePasswordDocument:="", _
>
>         WritePasswordTemplate:="", Revert:=False, Format:=0, _
>
>         Connection:="", SQLStatement:="", SQLStatement1:=""
>
>
>
> Specifically when it calls the function  strMergeDataFile  which returns
> the path to the data file (in the Temp folder).
>
>
>
>
>
> Is anyone using Kallal?s code and made the changes to work in more recent
> versions of Office?
>
>
>
> I realize there are many ways to create a merge document in Word, but I
> would prefer to stick with what I am using if it will work.
>
>
>
> I emailed Albert Kallal but received no response.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Carolyn Johnson
>
> St Louis, MO
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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>

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Jan 30 12:15:18 2017
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 13:15:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Word mail merge code - Albert Kallal
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAud3MwZkPqRjeDa4CG2btsFdTb8YfeJJ4ce2sTG4Gs9aw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <018c01d27b1f$da18b2a0$8e4a17e0$@att.net>
	<CAKvidAud3MwZkPqRjeDa4CG2btsFdTb8YfeJJ4ce2sTG4Gs9aw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001d27b24$d03d8ee0$70b8aca0$@gmail.com>

What is an .888 file? Has it always had that extension? 

Susan H. 

> Merge.888 is the data file for the merge.
>
>
>
>
>
> If I choose Open, Word crashes.   I get an Automation error in procedure
> MergeWord of his WordCode sub.
>
>
>
>
>
> If I chooseRecover Data, Word shows empty records (despite the data 
> being in the file).
>
>
>
>
>
> If I step through the procedure, it crashes on   WordDoc.MailMerge.OpenDataSource
> _
>
>         Name:=strMergeDataFile, _
>
>         ConfirmConversions:=False, _
>
>         ReadOnly:=False, LinkToSource:=True, AddToRecentFiles:=False, 
> _
>
>         PasswordDocument:="", PasswordTemplate:="", 
> WritePasswordDocument:="", _
>
>         WritePasswordTemplate:="", Revert:=False, Format:=0, _
>
>         Connection:="", SQLStatement:="", SQLStatement1:=""
>
>
>
> Specifically when it calls the function  strMergeDataFile  which 
> returns the path to the data file (in the Temp folder).
>
>
>
>
>
> Is anyone using Kallal?s code and made the changes to work in more 
> recent versions of Office?
>
>
>
> I realize there are many ways to create a merge document in Word, but 
> I would prefer to stick with what I am using if it will work.
>
>
>
> I emailed Albert Kallal but received no response.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Carolyn Johnson
>
> St Louis, MO
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From cjlabs at att.net  Mon Jan 30 12:19:35 2017
From: cjlabs at att.net (cjlabs)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 12:19:35 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Word mail merge code - Albert Kallal
In-Reply-To: <000001d27b24$d03d8ee0$70b8aca0$@gmail.com>
References: <018c01d27b1f$da18b2a0$8e4a17e0$@att.net>	<CAKvidAud3MwZkPqRjeDa4CG2btsFdTb8YfeJJ4ce2sTG4Gs9aw@mail.gmail.com>
	<000001d27b24$d03d8ee0$70b8aca0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01b201d27b25$69c65e20$3d531a60$@att.net>

As far as a can tell from his notes, he changed the extension from .txt to .888 due to some conflict that occurred with the option to turn off file extensions.

The file itself is comma delimited.


Jack -- I'll check the UtterAccess links.   Maybe I was using an old email address.


Thanks
Carolyn Johnson



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 12:15 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Word mail merge code - Albert Kallal

What is an .888 file? Has it always had that extension? 

Susan H. 

> Merge.888 is the data file for the merge.
>
>
>
>
>
> If I choose Open, Word crashes.   I get an Automation error in procedure
> MergeWord of his WordCode sub.
>
>
>
>
>
> If I chooseRecover Data, Word shows empty records (despite the data 
> being in the file).
>
>
>
>
>
> If I step through the procedure, it crashes on   WordDoc.MailMerge.OpenDataSource
> _
>
>         Name:=strMergeDataFile, _
>
>         ConfirmConversions:=False, _
>
>         ReadOnly:=False, LinkToSource:=True, AddToRecentFiles:=False, 
> _
>
>         PasswordDocument:="", PasswordTemplate:="", 
> WritePasswordDocument:="", _
>
>         WritePasswordTemplate:="", Revert:=False, Format:=0, _
>
>         Connection:="", SQLStatement:="", SQLStatement1:=""
>
>
>
> Specifically when it calls the function  strMergeDataFile  which 
> returns the path to the data file (in the Temp folder).
>
>
>
>
>
> Is anyone using Kallal?s code and made the changes to work in more 
> recent versions of Office?
>
>
>
> I realize there are many ways to create a merge document in Word, but 
> I would prefer to stick with what I am using if it will work.
>
>
>
> I emailed Albert Kallal but received no response.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Carolyn Johnson
>
> St Louis, MO
>
> --
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Jan 30 12:26:10 2017
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 11:26:10 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] A Github client
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Hi Shamil:

Thanks for the link. This Git version looks very unique. I like the concept of being able to monitor the code, links in a single window and being able to leverage other external applications. I will definitely give this one a try. How long have you been using this product/application/plug-in? Any tips on configuration?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 12:41:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A Github client

Hi Jim --

I'm using GitExt ( https://gitextensions.github.io/ ?)

Features:
a) Windows Explorer integration for Git,?
b) Visual Studio (2008/2010/2012/2013) plugin for Git,?
c) Feature rich user interface for Git,?
d) Single installer installs MSysGit, GitExtensions and the mergetool KDiff3,?
e) 32bit and 64bit support.

Thank you.

-- Shamil
>Friday, January 27, 2017 7:39 AM +03:00 from Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>
>I have plenty of knowledge in Github clients and command line entries for Github, on Linux but embarrassing little of the same in Windows. Is there anyone out there that has experience with Github and the associated SSH apps on a Windows 10 box?
>
>MTIA
>Jim
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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Mon Jan 30 12:36:59 2017
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 13:36:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Word mail merge code - Albert Kallal
In-Reply-To: <01b201d27b25$69c65e20$3d531a60$@att.net>
References: <018c01d27b1f$da18b2a0$8e4a17e0$@att.net>
	<CAKvidAud3MwZkPqRjeDa4CG2btsFdTb8YfeJJ4ce2sTG4Gs9aw@mail.gmail.com>
	<000001d27b24$d03d8ee0$70b8aca0$@gmail.com>
	<01b201d27b25$69c65e20$3d531a60$@att.net>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAtkYGBXxMnNUCvx-svDWj2sWGgomQC6Y1sYRPVue0VMNQ@mail.gmail.com>

Carolyn,

You could post your question/issue on UA. I'm sure Albert is active enough
to get back to you fairly quickly.

jack

On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 1:19 PM, cjlabs <cjlabs at att.net> wrote:

> As far as a can tell from his notes, he changed the extension from .txt to
> .888 due to some conflict that occurred with the option to turn off file
> extensions.
>
> The file itself is comma delimited.
>
>
> Jack -- I'll check the UtterAccess links.   Maybe I was using an old email
> address.
>
>
> Thanks
> Carolyn Johnson
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Susan Harkins
> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 12:15 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Word mail merge code - Albert Kallal
>
> What is an .888 file? Has it always had that extension?
>
> Susan H.
>
> > Merge.888 is the data file for the merge.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > If I choose Open, Word crashes.   I get an Automation error in procedure
> > MergeWord of his WordCode sub.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > If I chooseRecover Data, Word shows empty records (despite the data
> > being in the file).
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > If I step through the procedure, it crashes on   WordDoc.MailMerge.
> OpenDataSource
> > _
> >
> >         Name:=strMergeDataFile, _
> >
> >         ConfirmConversions:=False, _
> >
> >         ReadOnly:=False, LinkToSource:=True, AddToRecentFiles:=False,
> > _
> >
> >         PasswordDocument:="", PasswordTemplate:="",
> > WritePasswordDocument:="", _
> >
> >         WritePasswordTemplate:="", Revert:=False, Format:=0, _
> >
> >         Connection:="", SQLStatement:="", SQLStatement1:=""
> >
> >
> >
> > Specifically when it calls the function  strMergeDataFile  which
> > returns the path to the data file (in the Temp folder).
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Is anyone using Kallal?s code and made the changes to work in more
> > recent versions of Office?
> >
> >
> >
> > I realize there are many ways to create a merge document in Word, but
> > I would prefer to stick with what I am using if it will work.
> >
> >
> >
> > I emailed Albert Kallal but received no response.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Carolyn Johnson
> >
> > St Louis, MO
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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>
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From cjlabs at att.net  Mon Jan 30 12:57:28 2017
From: cjlabs at att.net (cjlabs)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 12:57:28 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Word mail merge code - Albert Kallal
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAtkYGBXxMnNUCvx-svDWj2sWGgomQC6Y1sYRPVue0VMNQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <018c01d27b1f$da18b2a0$8e4a17e0$@att.net>	<CAKvidAud3MwZkPqRjeDa4CG2btsFdTb8YfeJJ4ce2sTG4Gs9aw@mail.gmail.com>	<000001d27b24$d03d8ee0$70b8aca0$@gmail.com>	<01b201d27b25$69c65e20$3d531a60$@att.net>
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Message-ID: <01b701d27b2a$b49740e0$1dc5c2a0$@att.net>

Thanks.  I just tried emailing him directly, but I will post to UtterAccess if he does not respond.  Perhaps someone else has had this issue.


Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack drawbridge
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 12:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Word mail merge code - Albert Kallal

Carolyn,

You could post your question/issue on UA. I'm sure Albert is active enough
to get back to you fairly quickly.

jack

On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 1:19 PM, cjlabs <cjlabs at att.net> wrote:

> As far as a can tell from his notes, he changed the extension from .txt to
> .888 due to some conflict that occurred with the option to turn off file
> extensions.
>
> The file itself is comma delimited.
>
>
> Jack -- I'll check the UtterAccess links.   Maybe I was using an old email
> address.
>
>
> Thanks
> Carolyn Johnson
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Susan Harkins
> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 12:15 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Word mail merge code - Albert Kallal
>
> What is an .888 file? Has it always had that extension?
>
> Susan H.
>
> > Merge.888 is the data file for the merge.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > If I choose Open, Word crashes.   I get an Automation error in procedure
> > MergeWord of his WordCode sub.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > If I chooseRecover Data, Word shows empty records (despite the data
> > being in the file).
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > If I step through the procedure, it crashes on   WordDoc.MailMerge.
> OpenDataSource
> > _
> >
> >         Name:=strMergeDataFile, _
> >
> >         ConfirmConversions:=False, _
> >
> >         ReadOnly:=False, LinkToSource:=True, AddToRecentFiles:=False,
> > _
> >
> >         PasswordDocument:="", PasswordTemplate:="",
> > WritePasswordDocument:="", _
> >
> >         WritePasswordTemplate:="", Revert:=False, Format:=0, _
> >
> >         Connection:="", SQLStatement:="", SQLStatement1:=""
> >
> >
> >
> > Specifically when it calls the function  strMergeDataFile  which
> > returns the path to the data file (in the Temp folder).
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Is anyone using Kallal?s code and made the changes to work in more
> > recent versions of Office?
> >
> >
> >
> > I realize there are many ways to create a merge document in Word, but
> > I would prefer to stick with what I am using if it will work.
> >
> >
> >
> > I emailed Albert Kallal but received no response.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Carolyn Johnson
> >
> > St Louis, MO
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
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>
>
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>
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From wrwehler at gmail.com  Tue Jan 31 08:37:23 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan W)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 08:37:23 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] "Simulate" copy and paste of entire column in Runtime?
Message-ID: <CAFXiSd878kVyV03ch+JmEtj1Pf0iBDxtN+Utq2dGQnMQUSgUTg@mail.gmail.com>

With the use of the runtime we've lost the ability to click a column header
and right click and select copy/paste. You can still use ctrl-c and ctrl-v,
but my users.... aren't sure about key combos.


I'm tinkering with trying to get some mouse events to do it for me:


    If Button = acRightButton And Shift = 1 Then
        DoCmd.CancelEvent

        Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
        Me.Rpt.SetFocus

        Set rst = Me.RecordsetClone
        DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acLast
        DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acFirst

        Me.SelTop = 1
        Me.SelHeight = rst.RecordCount
        commandbars("MyCommandBar").showpopup
        Set rst = Nothing
    End If


This works in highlighting the entire column (I have to use acLast,acFirst
to get the entire column if the datasheet has a scroll bar other wise it
just copies what's been loaded into the view.

But when my command bar comes up and I click "copy", it's not getting that
rows selection.  It's getting something else that's in focus even though
Me.Rpt.setfocus was called in code.

If I remove the commandbars popup and do DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdCopy that
appears to work but then I need to hash out special key combos for copy and
paste (in this case I'm using shift + right mouse up) to invoke copy, since
right mouse up all by itself invokes a different "toggle on/off" popup for
the entire column.


Does anyone have another take on this or should I just drop it and let them
get used to Ctrl-C,Ctrl-V?

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Tue Jan 31 08:50:36 2017
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 17:50:36 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?A_Github_client?=
In-Reply-To: <1474512231.47276350.1485800770044.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <EB6C18AE-D1EF-467E-AEB0-E6ACB7E8D12E@gmail.com>
	<1485765671.982544104@f433.i.mail.ru>
	<1474512231.47276350.1485800770044.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <1485874236.757248845@f302.i.mail.ru>

Hi Jim --

I have got known/started to use this Git extension/plug-in a few years ago.
I have been recommended to use GitExt by developers who have been using it in their everyday work with large open source project(s).

I have no any tips on GitExt configuration - I'm using GitExt online docs? https://git-extensions-documentation.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ ?

-- Shamil

>Monday, January 30, 2017 9:26 PM +03:00 from Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>
>Hi Shamil:
>
>Thanks for the link. This Git version looks very unique. I like the concept of being able to monitor the code, links in a single window and being able to leverage other external applications. I will definitely give this one a try. How long have you been using this product/application/plug-in? Any tips on configuration?
>
>Jim
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" < accessd at databaseadvisors.com >
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" < accessd at databaseadvisors.com >
>Cc: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 12:41:11 AM
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] A Github client
>
>Hi Jim --
>
>I'm using GitExt (  https://gitextensions.github.io/ ?)
>
>Features:
>a) Windows Explorer integration for Git,?
>b) Visual Studio (2008/2010/2012/2013) plugin for Git,?
>c) Feature rich user interface for Git,?
>d) Single installer installs MSysGit, GitExtensions and the mergetool KDiff3,?
>e) 32bit and 64bit support.
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- Shamil
>>Friday, January 27, 2017 7:39 AM +03:00 from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >:
>>
>>I have plenty of knowledge in Github clients and command line entries for Github, on Linux but embarrassing little of the same in Windows. Is there anyone out there that has experience with Github and the associated SSH apps on a Windows 10 box?
>>
>>MTIA
>>Jim
>>-- 
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>Website:  http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Tue Jan 31 08:57:52 2017
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 06:57:52 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] "Simulate" copy and paste of entire column in Runtime?
In-Reply-To: <CAFXiSd878kVyV03ch+JmEtj1Pf0iBDxtN+Utq2dGQnMQUSgUTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFXiSd878kVyV03ch+JmEtj1Pf0iBDxtN+Utq2dGQnMQUSgUTg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met8TxH9GXs3jFVaenvzvEfsUNjYCSpiOcjNe-=_0Sbmkug@mail.gmail.com>

I just had to dig up code to copy from a locked disabled subform to the
clipboard using a picture calls, but it only worked.in my situation by
creating a command button that was specific to the single locked control
they wanted to be able to copy.  Leigh Webber has some classes to
encapsulate the process and there are lots of api postings for manipulating
the clipboard, but they all require tweaking.

Charlotte Foust
916-206-4336

On Jan 31, 2017 6:39 AM, "Ryan W" <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:

> With the use of the runtime we've lost the ability to click a column header
> and right click and select copy/paste. You can still use ctrl-c and ctrl-v,
> but my users.... aren't sure about key combos.
>
>
> I'm tinkering with trying to get some mouse events to do it for me:
>
>
>     If Button = acRightButton And Shift = 1 Then
>         DoCmd.CancelEvent
>
>         Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
>         Me.Rpt.SetFocus
>
>         Set rst = Me.RecordsetClone
>         DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acLast
>         DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acFirst
>
>         Me.SelTop = 1
>         Me.SelHeight = rst.RecordCount
>         commandbars("MyCommandBar").showpopup
>         Set rst = Nothing
>     End If
>
>
> This works in highlighting the entire column (I have to use acLast,acFirst
> to get the entire column if the datasheet has a scroll bar other wise it
> just copies what's been loaded into the view.
>
> But when my command bar comes up and I click "copy", it's not getting that
> rows selection.  It's getting something else that's in focus even though
> Me.Rpt.setfocus was called in code.
>
> If I remove the commandbars popup and do DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdCopy that
> appears to work but then I need to hash out special key combos for copy and
> paste (in this case I'm using shift + right mouse up) to invoke copy, since
> right mouse up all by itself invokes a different "toggle on/off" popup for
> the entire column.
>
>
> Does anyone have another take on this or should I just drop it and let them
> get used to Ctrl-C,Ctrl-V?
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From wrwehler at gmail.com  Tue Jan 31 09:05:47 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan W)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 09:05:47 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] "Simulate" copy and paste of entire column in Runtime?
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met8TxH9GXs3jFVaenvzvEfsUNjYCSpiOcjNe-=_0Sbmkug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFXiSd878kVyV03ch+JmEtj1Pf0iBDxtN+Utq2dGQnMQUSgUTg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met8TxH9GXs3jFVaenvzvEfsUNjYCSpiOcjNe-=_0Sbmkug@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFXiSd81+wwkw7a2CPn4Rgx1mrNjQWHM94nWv=xMFOAP5XHDcg@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah I'm trying to avoid API calls here if I can.  If preferable I'd like
to find out why my command bar popup doesn't snag what I've got selected..
(probably because it was selected in code and not by the user?).

Frustrating.  I wish they'd allow right click menus in the runtime.  I get
they've been gone for a long time so if they add them just add a setting to
forms "Right Click Menu" and have it default to disabled as to not break
backwards compatibility!




On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I just had to dig up code to copy from a locked disabled subform to the
> clipboard using a picture calls, but it only worked.in my situation by
> creating a command button that was specific to the single locked control
> they wanted to be able to copy.  Leigh Webber has some classes to
> encapsulate the process and there are lots of api postings for manipulating
> the clipboard, but they all require tweaking.
>
> Charlotte Foust
> 916-206-4336
>
> On Jan 31, 2017 6:39 AM, "Ryan W" <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > With the use of the runtime we've lost the ability to click a column
> header
> > and right click and select copy/paste. You can still use ctrl-c and
> ctrl-v,
> > but my users.... aren't sure about key combos.
> >
> >
> > I'm tinkering with trying to get some mouse events to do it for me:
> >
> >
> >     If Button = acRightButton And Shift = 1 Then
> >         DoCmd.CancelEvent
> >
> >         Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
> >         Me.Rpt.SetFocus
> >
> >         Set rst = Me.RecordsetClone
> >         DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acLast
> >         DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acFirst
> >
> >         Me.SelTop = 1
> >         Me.SelHeight = rst.RecordCount
> >         commandbars("MyCommandBar").showpopup
> >         Set rst = Nothing
> >     End If
> >
> >
> > This works in highlighting the entire column (I have to use
> acLast,acFirst
> > to get the entire column if the datasheet has a scroll bar other wise it
> > just copies what's been loaded into the view.
> >
> > But when my command bar comes up and I click "copy", it's not getting
> that
> > rows selection.  It's getting something else that's in focus even though
> > Me.Rpt.setfocus was called in code.
> >
> > If I remove the commandbars popup and do DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdCopy that
> > appears to work but then I need to hash out special key combos for copy
> and
> > paste (in this case I'm using shift + right mouse up) to invoke copy,
> since
> > right mouse up all by itself invokes a different "toggle on/off" popup
> for
> > the entire column.
> >
> >
> > Does anyone have another take on this or should I just drop it and let
> them
> > get used to Ctrl-C,Ctrl-V?
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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>

From bensonforums at gmail.com  Tue Jan 31 09:07:02 2017
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 10:07:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] "Simulate" copy and paste of entire column in Runtime?
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_0L=gEUS-EcMTnmuAz4O4CA8FRmipC6PsyYh-wf5rLLUg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFXiSd878kVyV03ch+JmEtj1Pf0iBDxtN+Utq2dGQnMQUSgUTg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met8TxH9GXs3jFVaenvzvEfsUNjYCSpiOcjNe-=_0Sbmkug@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJLzs_1wdR2K+GxSZ5rZ3V+TQXuC=2ECRdGHSPchVA00kKeT2g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJLzs_0L=gEUS-EcMTnmuAz4O4CA8FRmipC6PsyYh-wf5rLLUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_0bGJX77+-2YCkW4ypY4R-SJvJd9CSWa3JeranYAJVv4g@mail.gmail.com>

My response is to push them towards Ctrl-C and Ctrl-v. They are *almost*
universal, I have almost never seen them used for anything else, in any
application  (don't the date back to like DOS 1.0?) And who knows they
might come begging to learn what Ctrl-P  Ctrl-X do. But never ever teach
them what Ctrl-H  does in access.

>From my non-flammable Note 3,
Bill Benson

On Jan 31, 2017 9:59 AM, "Charlotte Foust" <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
wrote:

I just had to dig up code to copy from a locked disabled subform to the
clipboard using a picture calls, but it only worked.in my situation by
creating a command button that was specific to the single locked control
they wanted to be able to copy.  Leigh Webber has some classes to
encapsulate the process and there are lots of api postings for manipulating
the clipboard, but they all require tweaking.

Charlotte Foust
916-206-4336

On Jan 31, 2017 6:39 AM, "Ryan W" <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:

> With the use of the runtime we've lost the ability to click a column
header
> and right click and select copy/paste. You can still use ctrl-c and
ctrl-v,
> but my users.... aren't sure about key combos.
>
>
> I'm tinkering with trying to get some mouse events to do it for me:
>
>
>     If Button = acRightButton And Shift = 1 Then
>         DoCmd.CancelEvent
>
>         Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
>         Me.Rpt.SetFocus
>
>         Set rst = Me.RecordsetClone
>         DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acLast
>         DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acFirst
>
>         Me.SelTop = 1
>         Me.SelHeight = rst.RecordCount
>         commandbars("MyCommandBar").showpopup
>         Set rst = Nothing
>     End If
>
>
> This works in highlighting the entire column (I have to use acLast,acFirst
> to get the entire column if the datasheet has a scroll bar other wise it
> just copies what's been loaded into the view.
>
> But when my command bar comes up and I click "copy", it's not getting that
> rows selection.  It's getting something else that's in focus even though
> Me.Rpt.setfocus was called in code.
>
> If I remove the commandbars popup and do DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdCopy that
> appears to work but then I need to hash out special key combos for copy
and
> paste (in this case I'm using shift + right mouse up) to invoke copy,
since
> right mouse up all by itself invokes a different "toggle on/off" popup for
> the entire column.
>
>
> Does anyone have another take on this or should I just drop it and let
them
> get used to Ctrl-C,Ctrl-V?
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From wrwehler at gmail.com  Tue Jan 31 09:11:52 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan W)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 09:11:52 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] "Simulate" copy and paste of entire column in Runtime?
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"...but key combos are hard!"
-Users


On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com> wrote:

> My response is to push them towards Ctrl-C and Ctrl-v. They are *almost*
> universal, I have almost never seen them used for anything else, in any
> application  (don't the date back to like DOS 1.0?) And who knows they
> might come begging to learn what Ctrl-P  Ctrl-X do. But never ever teach
> them what Ctrl-H  does in access.
>
> From my non-flammable Note 3,
> Bill Benson
>
> On Jan 31, 2017 9:59 AM, "Charlotte Foust" <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I just had to dig up code to copy from a locked disabled subform to the
> clipboard using a picture calls, but it only worked.in my situation by
> creating a command button that was specific to the single locked control
> they wanted to be able to copy.  Leigh Webber has some classes to
> encapsulate the process and there are lots of api postings for manipulating
> the clipboard, but they all require tweaking.
>
> Charlotte Foust
> 916-206-4336
>
> On Jan 31, 2017 6:39 AM, "Ryan W" <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > With the use of the runtime we've lost the ability to click a column
> header
> > and right click and select copy/paste. You can still use ctrl-c and
> ctrl-v,
> > but my users.... aren't sure about key combos.
> >
> >
> > I'm tinkering with trying to get some mouse events to do it for me:
> >
> >
> >     If Button = acRightButton And Shift = 1 Then
> >         DoCmd.CancelEvent
> >
> >         Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
> >         Me.Rpt.SetFocus
> >
> >         Set rst = Me.RecordsetClone
> >         DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acLast
> >         DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acFirst
> >
> >         Me.SelTop = 1
> >         Me.SelHeight = rst.RecordCount
> >         commandbars("MyCommandBar").showpopup
> >         Set rst = Nothing
> >     End If
> >
> >
> > This works in highlighting the entire column (I have to use
> acLast,acFirst
> > to get the entire column if the datasheet has a scroll bar other wise it
> > just copies what's been loaded into the view.
> >
> > But when my command bar comes up and I click "copy", it's not getting
> that
> > rows selection.  It's getting something else that's in focus even though
> > Me.Rpt.setfocus was called in code.
> >
> > If I remove the commandbars popup and do DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdCopy that
> > appears to work but then I need to hash out special key combos for copy
> and
> > paste (in this case I'm using shift + right mouse up) to invoke copy,
> since
> > right mouse up all by itself invokes a different "toggle on/off" popup
> for
> > the entire column.
> >
> >
> > Does anyone have another take on this or should I just drop it and let
> them
> > get used to Ctrl-C,Ctrl-V?
> > --
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> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Jan 31 10:04:25 2017
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 11:04:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A Github client
In-Reply-To: <1485874236.757248845@f302.i.mail.ru>
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	<1485765671.982544104@f433.i.mail.ru>
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	<1485874236.757248845@f302.i.mail.ru>
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Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. Thus far I an see no use for
Git or any other version-control system, in the case of Access development.
The problem is that virtually everything is stored in one file (excluding
the BE, of course). I have read the occasional piece here and there that
explains how to export each object to a text file, but in a large app that
is impractical to say the least.

Here is my admittedly limited view of the life-cycle of an Access app.

1. First draft; everything implemented works, and there is also a "to do"
list.
2. We chink away at the "to do" list. Some of our additions don't work.
3. We roll back to the previous version, and promise the user-base
"Tomorrow."
4. We back up the current version, then monkey with it.
5..The monkey-bits are not quite right, as testing demonstrates, so we
return to Step One.

'Twas a time when I loved the fact that Access stored everything in a
single file. But the exigencies of practical development have given me
pause, and now I have come to hate this packaging model.

By contrast, Alpha Anywhere has a totally different model. There is a
project file, which consists of nothing much more than pointers to the
hundred or thousand files that comprise the app of interest. This approach
makes the application of Git or any other version-control system a very
simple addition. I can check out only these three pieces of interest,
monkey with them, build the result, and send it through Central Park to see
who violates it. Should we discover any offenders or problems with the UI
or innards, they can be easily addressed in isolation from all else.

I can do none of this in Access; despite my love for the model, my
dependency on it has resulted in abundant grief.

A.

On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil via AccessD <
accessd at databaseadvisors.com> wrote:

> Hi Jim --
>
> I have got known/started to use this Git extension/plug-in a few years ago.
> I have been recommended to use GitExt by developers who have been using it
> in their everyday work with large open source project(s).
>
> I have no any tips on GitExt configuration - I'm using GitExt online docs
> https://git-extensions-documentation.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
>
> -- Shamil
>
> >Monday, January 30, 2017 9:26 PM +03:00 from Jim Lawrence <
> accessd at shaw.ca>:
> >
> >Hi Shamil:
> >
> >Thanks for the link. This Git version looks very unique. I like the
> concept of being able to monitor the code, links in a single window and
> being able to leverage other external applications. I will definitely give
> this one a try. How long have you been using this
> product/application/plug-in? Any tips on configuration?
> >
> >Jim
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com >
> >To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com >
> >Cc: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru >
> >Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 12:41:11 AM
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] A Github client
> >
> >Hi Jim --
> >
> >I'm using GitExt (  https://gitextensions.github.io/  )
> >
> >Features:
> >a) Windows Explorer integration for Git,
> >b) Visual Studio (2008/2010/2012/2013) plugin for Git,
> >c) Feature rich user interface for Git,
> >d) Single installer installs MSysGit, GitExtensions and the mergetool
> KDiff3,
> >e) 32bit and 64bit support.
> >
> >Thank you.
> >
> >-- Shamil
> >>Friday, January 27, 2017 7:39 AM +03:00 from Jim Lawrence <
> accessd at shaw.ca >:
> >>
> >>I have plenty of knowledge in Github clients and command line entries
> for Github, on Linux but embarrassing little of the same in Windows. Is
> there anyone out there that has experience with Github and the associated
> SSH apps on a Windows 10 box?
> >>
> >>MTIA
> >>Jim
> >>--
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-- 
Arthur

From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Tue Jan 31 12:22:42 2017
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John W. Clark)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 18:22:42 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Going to wrong printer
Message-ID: <BY1PR09MB0853935F8131D093DA8455B0864A0@BY1PR09MB0853.namprd09.prod.outlook.com>

I haven't asked a question out here in quite a while, but I find myself stymied and in need of assistance.


I wrote this rather tiny access program several years ago for our District Attorney's office. It isn't very large, but I think I did a decent job. It basically culminates in a voucher that is created for a witness that they take to our Treasurer's office and receive a fee, and mileage if applicable.


The math is all done internally...it isn't that hard...and that has been working like a charm. A few months back I was asked to add a digital signature and I did that as well. Just this month a new District Attorney was elected and I changed out the old signature for the new one...no problem.


I followed the same method I always do...using my own PC I made the changes to the network copy of the front-end program and tested it out in my environment. I then place this copy in their "common" directory and go to their office and copy that to each user's directory that I made in their "Program Files" directory on their hard drive. I use the extra step of copying down because it saves me time, and I never bothered to do an automatic update to the PCs because for the little time it takes me to do this it just never seemed merited.


The program works fine...a little slow on the first voucher created...I think because I changed an embedded signature (png) to a linked one (I may revert to the old way).


BUT...and here is the problem...all of the sudden, they have to choose the correct printer each time (I don't believe each voucher) or it will print on my officer printer...in a totally different building.


I've never "chose" any specific printer, and I've done this same routine for several years when I do updates. I never even logged into 3 of the 4 PCs in their department...one I had to because the woman was off that afternoon.


WHY is it doing this, and how do I stop it?!


Oh...one more thing. I ran it in my office today, changed my printer option, ran a voucher, then closed out of the program and got back in...and it reverted to that same printer that it seems to want to go to. I'm feeling this may be something simple, but again, it has never done this before.


Please help preserver my sanity here!

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From wrwehler at gmail.com  Tue Jan 31 13:33:27 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan W)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 13:33:27 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Going to wrong printer
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If you open the report in design mode and go to the printer properties you
can set the printer to use a default printer or a specific printer.
Sometimes Access likes to switch it up on you in weird ways (like what
you're experiencing).

I think you have to set the printer up how you want it and print an actual
document and then save the report to get it to stick.  It's a weird, broken
process.



On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 12:22 PM, John W. Clark <
John.Clark at niagaracounty.com> wrote:

> I haven't asked a question out here in quite a while, but I find myself
> stymied and in need of assistance.
>
>
> I wrote this rather tiny access program several years ago for our District
> Attorney's office. It isn't very large, but I think I did a decent job. It
> basically culminates in a voucher that is created for a witness that they
> take to our Treasurer's office and receive a fee, and mileage if applicable.
>
>
> The math is all done internally...it isn't that hard...and that has been
> working like a charm. A few months back I was asked to add a digital
> signature and I did that as well. Just this month a new District Attorney
> was elected and I changed out the old signature for the new one...no
> problem.
>
>
> I followed the same method I always do...using my own PC I made the
> changes to the network copy of the front-end program and tested it out in
> my environment. I then place this copy in their "common" directory and go
> to their office and copy that to each user's directory that I made in their
> "Program Files" directory on their hard drive. I use the extra step of
> copying down because it saves me time, and I never bothered to do an
> automatic update to the PCs because for the little time it takes me to do
> this it just never seemed merited.
>
>
> The program works fine...a little slow on the first voucher created...I
> think because I changed an embedded signature (png) to a linked one (I may
> revert to the old way).
>
>
> BUT...and here is the problem...all of the sudden, they have to choose the
> correct printer each time (I don't believe each voucher) or it will print
> on my officer printer...in a totally different building.
>
>
> I've never "chose" any specific printer, and I've done this same routine
> for several years when I do updates. I never even logged into 3 of the 4
> PCs in their department...one I had to because the woman was off that
> afternoon.
>
>
> WHY is it doing this, and how do I stop it?!
>
>
> Oh...one more thing. I ran it in my office today, changed my printer
> option, ran a voucher, then closed out of the program and got back in...and
> it reverted to that same printer that it seems to want to go to. I'm
> feeling this may be something simple, but again, it has never done this
> before.
>
>
> Please help preserver my sanity here!
>
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> individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential,
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> intended recipient, or if you believe you are not the intended recipient,
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From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Tue Jan 31 13:34:46 2017
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 19:34:46 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Going to wrong printer
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References: <BY1PR09MB0853935F8131D093DA8455B0864A0@BY1PR09MB0853.namprd09.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CY4P11501MB00391B92D539C9175F72C5C99C4A0@CY4P11501MB0039.NAMP115.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi John:

You said... " Oh...one more thing. I ran it in my office today, changed my printer option, ran a voucher, then closed out of the program and got back in...and it reverted to that same printer that it seems to want to go to."

I hope by that that you mean you ran the report, had it display of screen and then manually selected which printer to send it to. If so then the cure for your problem might just be...

* Open the report in design view
* Select the Page Setup ribbon tab
* Click on the Page Setup icon on the ribbon
* Select the 'Page' tab in the resulting dialog and choose 'Default printer' as the 'Printer for <report name>'
* Save the report



Lambert? 
-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Clark
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 1:23 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Going to wrong printer

I haven't asked a question out here in quite a while, but I find myself stymied and in need of assistance.


I wrote this rather tiny access program several years ago for our District Attorney's office. It isn't very large, but I think I did a decent job. It basically culminates in a voucher that is created for a witness that they take to our Treasurer's office and receive a fee, and mileage if applicable.


The math is all done internally...it isn't that hard...and that has been working like a charm. A few months back I was asked to add a digital signature and I did that as well. Just this month a new District Attorney was elected and I changed out the old signature for the new one...no problem.


I followed the same method I always do...using my own PC I made the changes to the network copy of the front-end program and tested it out in my environment. I then place this copy in their "common" directory and go to their office and copy that to each user's directory that I made in their "Program Files" directory on their hard drive. I use the extra step of copying down because it saves me time, and I never bothered to do an automatic update to the PCs because for the little time it takes me to do this it just never seemed merited.


The program works fine...a little slow on the first voucher created...I think because I changed an embedded signature (png) to a linked one (I may revert to the old way).


BUT...and here is the problem...all of the sudden, they have to choose the correct printer each time (I don't believe each voucher) or it will print on my officer printer...in a totally different building.


I've never "chose" any specific printer, and I've done this same routine for several years when I do updates. I never even logged into 3 of the 4 PCs in their department...one I had to because the woman was off that afternoon.


WHY is it doing this, and how do I stop it?!


Oh...one more thing. I ran it in my office today, changed my printer option, ran a voucher, then closed out of the program and got back in...and it reverted to that same printer that it seems to want to go to. I'm feeling this may be something simple, but again, it has never done this before.


Please help preserver my sanity here!

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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Tue Jan 31 14:22:04 2017
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John W. Clark)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 20:22:04 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Going to wrong printer
In-Reply-To: <CY4P11501MB00391B92D539C9175F72C5C99C4A0@CY4P11501MB0039.NAMP115.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <BY1PR09MB0853935F8131D093DA8455B0864A0@BY1PR09MB0853.namprd09.prod.outlook.com>,
	<CY4P11501MB00391B92D539C9175F72C5C99C4A0@CY4P11501MB0039.NAMP115.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <BY1PR09MB085354DBCA3B7C2AC11EE02A864A0@BY1PR09MB0853.namprd09.prod.outlook.com>

Thank you Heenan! This was it.


I knew it was something simple. But, in defense of my ignorance...I've done some pretty sweet things with Access, yet tripped over something this simple...I have NEVER messed with this in the past. I never even thought of this setting. My programs all run in the environment I am used to, and in that environment it always has gone to the user's default printer. A long time ago I messed with a printer option (although I seem to remember it elsewhere...this would have been the 95 ver though)  but never used it in production.


I'm thinking, I just recently...November I believe...got a new PC, and along with it a new version of Access...2016. This is the first time I've done anything with it, and all seemed pretty much the same. But, I'm thinking this may be MS saving us from ourselves again...perhaps?


I don't know why they can't just put out a smart-person version of their product, and another for the mindless who want their oversight.


Thanks again though, I greatly appreciate your help on this!


John W Clark

________________________________
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of Lambert Heenan <Lambert.Heenan at aig.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 2:34 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'; John W. Clark
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Going to wrong printer

Hi John:

You said... " Oh...one more thing. I ran it in my office today, changed my printer option, ran a voucher, then closed out of the program and got back in...and it reverted to that same printer that it seems to want to go to."

I hope by that that you mean you ran the report, had it display of screen and then manually selected which printer to send it to. If so then the cure for your problem might just be...

* Open the report in design view
* Select the Page Setup ribbon tab
* Click on the Page Setup icon on the ribbon
* Select the 'Page' tab in the resulting dialog and choose 'Default printer' as the 'Printer for <report name>'
* Save the report



Lambert
-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Clark
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 1:23 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Going to wrong printer

I haven't asked a question out here in quite a while, but I find myself stymied and in need of assistance.


I wrote this rather tiny access program several years ago for our District Attorney's office. It isn't very large, but I think I did a decent job. It basically culminates in a voucher that is created for a witness that they take to our Treasurer's office and receive a fee, and mileage if applicable.


The math is all done internally...it isn't that hard...and that has been working like a charm. A few months back I was asked to add a digital signature and I did that as well. Just this month a new District Attorney was elected and I changed out the old signature for the new one...no problem.


I followed the same method I always do...using my own PC I made the changes to the network copy of the front-end program and tested it out in my environment. I then place this copy in their "common" directory and go to their office and copy that to each user's directory that I made in their "Program Files" directory on their hard drive. I use the extra step of copying down because it saves me time, and I never bothered to do an automatic update to the PCs because for the little time it takes me to do this it just never seemed merited.


The program works fine...a little slow on the first voucher created...I think because I changed an embedded signature (png) to a linked one (I may revert to the old way).


BUT...and here is the problem...all of the sudden, they have to choose the correct printer each time (I don't believe each voucher) or it will print on my officer printer...in a totally different building.


I've never "chose" any specific printer, and I've done this same routine for several years when I do updates. I never even logged into 3 of the 4 PCs in their department...one I had to because the woman was off that afternoon.


WHY is it doing this, and how do I stop it?!


Oh...one more thing. I ran it in my office today, changed my printer option, ran a voucher, then closed out of the program and got back in...and it reverted to that same printer that it seems to want to go to. I'm feeling this may be something simple, but again, it has never done this before.


Please help preserver my sanity here!

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From wrwehler at gmail.com  Tue Jan 31 14:57:37 2017
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan W)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 14:57:37 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] DoCmd.Movesize not behaving as expected
Message-ID: <CAFXiSd9zLrFfvfveHUYjDCcFWHb7mOXYnn_t7KXdeMj2+huRQQ@mail.gmail.com>

DoCmd.MoveSize 0,0, foo, bar should stick your window in the VERY upper
left corner of the screen and size it based on in this case, foo and bar
(width and height).

In testing on my machine, it does as expected.

In testing on another machine, it does as expected

In testing on two other machines, it does not. It leaves a small wedge of
the top of the screen visible. Probably 10 pixels.

The machines all run Windows 7 64 bit, they're all running the Access 2013
32-bit Runtime with the same patch level.  Most have the same video card,
but not the same monitor.. resolutions vary in some places.

Even still, Movesize 0,0 should tuck it way up in that corner.

Properties that might affect it, but haven't made a difference:

autosize
autocenter


This window IS modal, just FYI.

Any ideas?

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Tue Jan 31 22:18:52 2017
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 20:18:52 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] "Simulate" copy and paste of entire column in Runtime?
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Good luck with that.  In earlier versions you could do some things that are
not allowed in 2010 forward, at least.  All the non-API stuff I found used
those approaches.

Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336

On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 7:05 AM, Ryan W <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yeah I'm trying to avoid API calls here if I can.  If preferable I'd like
> to find out why my command bar popup doesn't snag what I've got selected..
> (probably because it was selected in code and not by the user?).
>
> Frustrating.  I wish they'd allow right click menus in the runtime.  I get
> they've been gone for a long time so if they add them just add a setting to
> forms "Right Click Menu" and have it default to disabled as to not break
> backwards compatibility!
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Charlotte Foust <
> charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I just had to dig up code to copy from a locked disabled subform to the
> > clipboard using a picture calls, but it only worked.in my situation by
> > creating a command button that was specific to the single locked control
> > they wanted to be able to copy.  Leigh Webber has some classes to
> > encapsulate the process and there are lots of api postings for
> manipulating
> > the clipboard, but they all require tweaking.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> > 916-206-4336
> >
> > On Jan 31, 2017 6:39 AM, "Ryan W" <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > With the use of the runtime we've lost the ability to click a column
> > header
> > > and right click and select copy/paste. You can still use ctrl-c and
> > ctrl-v,
> > > but my users.... aren't sure about key combos.
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm tinkering with trying to get some mouse events to do it for me:
> > >
> > >
> > >     If Button = acRightButton And Shift = 1 Then
> > >         DoCmd.CancelEvent
> > >
> > >         Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
> > >         Me.Rpt.SetFocus
> > >
> > >         Set rst = Me.RecordsetClone
> > >         DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acLast
> > >         DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acFirst
> > >
> > >         Me.SelTop = 1
> > >         Me.SelHeight = rst.RecordCount
> > >         commandbars("MyCommandBar").showpopup
> > >         Set rst = Nothing
> > >     End If
> > >
> > >
> > > This works in highlighting the entire column (I have to use
> > acLast,acFirst
> > > to get the entire column if the datasheet has a scroll bar other wise
> it
> > > just copies what's been loaded into the view.
> > >
> > > But when my command bar comes up and I click "copy", it's not getting
> > that
> > > rows selection.  It's getting something else that's in focus even
> though
> > > Me.Rpt.setfocus was called in code.
> > >
> > > If I remove the commandbars popup and do DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdCopy
> that
> > > appears to work but then I need to hash out special key combos for copy
> > and
> > > paste (in this case I'm using shift + right mouse up) to invoke copy,
> > since
> > > right mouse up all by itself invokes a different "toggle on/off" popup
> > for
> > > the entire column.
> > >
> > >
> > > Does anyone have another take on this or should I just drop it and let
> > them
> > > get used to Ctrl-C,Ctrl-V?
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